E1087 - Heather Shaw Talks Love Is Blind, Traitors Finale/Reunion, RHOBH, Actor Awards & Jim Carrey's Clone

Summary

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The Viall Files E1087 — Key Recap & Highlights

Guest: Heather Shaw
Theme: Recapping Reality TV’s Biggest Moments, Pop Culture Hot Takes, and Cloning Conspiracies
Date: March 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this Reality Recap edition, Nick Viall and the Household (Natalie Joy, Ashley, Sierra, Susie, and more) are joined by comedian, TV superfan, and viral Jim Carrey doppelgänger Heather Shaw. The crew dives deep into the finales and drama of Traitors and Love Is Blind, recent changes in Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), and pop culture headlines—the wild, the shallow, and the existential. The tone is sharp and irreverent; expect tangents on everything from Facebook nostalgia to the "cloning" of Jim Carrey.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. SAG/Actors Awards & Pop Culture Tangents

(01:16 – 14:14)

• The group banters about the SAG/Actors Awards after-party and the surreal LA security experience.
• Nick and Natalie share a funny anecdote about possibly naming their daughter after a celebrity they ran into.
• Pop culture detours: Ryan Murphy series, the rise of smoking’s “coolness” in media again, kids these days, and names you shouldn’t use (e.g., Chlamydia—“phonetically, it's a beautiful name.” — Ashley, 07:14).
• Wild speculation on Zendaya and Tom Holland’s rumored secret wedding.

  “There’s something so perfect about the way he was just like, you missed it. It was just like, do better at your jobs, guys.” — Natalie (14:21)

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2. Technology, Social Media & ‘Digital Dementia’

(15:25 – 24:31)

• Facebook’s weird persistence (“I’d love to be poked again…”).
• Everyone mourns the “old internet,” worries about how smartphones are rotting their brains, and wax nostalgic on group hangs and neighborly bonds.
• Nick dreams of a flip phone/BlackBerry renaissance:

  “I truly believe that our phones...the Internet is just, like, us tapped into the matrix.” — Nick (19:03)

• The crew bonds over recent hyperlocal events that brought the neighborhood (literally) together.

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3. TV Deep Dive: Traitors Finale & Reunion

(29:12 – 36:17)

• Heather Shaw dives into the finale—hot guy Rob’s shocking win and how “everyone was dignitized by that guy” (29:51).
• Alan Cumming’s outfits get standout praise; Portia is called out for being “beautiful, but a little dumb.”
• Mixed reviews on the reunion—some found it lackluster, with Michael Rapaport’s presence being divisive.
• Nick points out: “Pretty privilege is the greatest privilege.” (30:02)
• Introspective on Rob’s polarizing self-image despite wide likability.
• Emotional fallout for losers like Maura; real talk about the psychological impact of betrayal on these shows.

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4. TV Deep Dive: Love Is Blind (Season 7 Discussion)

(40:05 – 59:06)

• General consensus: This batch of men is especially "unqualified" for marriage.
• Alex has “lake house in Florida, trust in Dubai, and safe house in New Zealand” dreams, but no job.

  “That’s boy manifesting.” — Heather Shaw (50:03)

• Chris called out for being aggro, possibly closeted, and obsessed with CrossFit and body shaming (“He wants to fuck himself.” — Ashley, 40:55).
• Toxic masculinity, red-pill energy, and cringe moments (the “Andrew Tate” reference).
• Single panelist Susie confirms: Men like Alex and Chris are, unfortunately, real and common on the LA dating scene.
• Bree’s breakup approach is praised for kindness (“Maybe you’re just a lesson”). Shows there’s no “right” way to break up—Chris’s is the worst.

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Notable Quotes — Love Is Blind

• “What makes you go on Love is Blind and say the word Andrew Tate unwarranted?” — Nick, 41:17
• “I'm waiting for the lesbian Love is Blind because straight dating is so foreign to me. I'm just like – dad, they did, poor women.” — Heather Shaw, 51:16

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5. Jim Carrey’s Clone—Celebrity Conspiracy Corner

(53:28 – 54:38)

• Internet rumors flare over Jim Carrey looking “cloned” at a recent event; Heather debunks it:

  “How many people believe he was cloned? For what reason? So he could have a puffy face and speak French at an Award show? Like, he’s retired.” — Heather Shaw (53:36)

• Discussion about how age and facial work changes celebrity appearances, and the ridiculousness of eye color conspiracy theories.

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6. Pop Culture Lightning Round: Hot Takes/Roasts with Heather Shaw

(59:06 – 61:41)

• RuPaul’s Drag Race: Death drops and wig reveals are overdone (“Worried about the men’s dicks...do some WWE moves!” — Heather Shaw, 59:28).
• Britney Spears Apology Tour: “Timberlake’s number one, for his tiny penis.” — Heather Shaw, 60:29
• Housewives’ Storylines: You don’t need one—just “walk around and pretend to be rich and defraud people.”

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7. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH) / Beverly Hills Recap

(61:42 – 95:50)

• Heather loves newbie Amanda and “the addition of a scammer who sells courses for manifesting.”
• Jennifer Tilly’s table manners and authenticity get a special shout-out.
• Dorit’s $4,500 declined card incident, “it’s a fraud alert”—group debate if it’s a real or staged storyline.
• Erica Jane’s legal and financial saga is the most authentic storyline this season, according to the panel.
• Reflection on the nature of Beverly Hills’ “inauthenticity,” with Erica’s journey standing out as real.
• Amanda’s “label-dropping” called out for being insecure, but the panel notes all Housewives do this.

Quotes:

“The nature of Beverly Hills is inauthenticity...having Erica just have this thing happen that isn’t about trying to be more famous is so interesting.” — Sierra (95:00)

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8. Game Night & Reality TV as a Mirror

(83:24 – 85:14)

• Nick and others reflect on why reality TV hits so personally—often, we critique contestants who remind us of people who hurt us… or ourselves.

  “Reality TV is really just a mirror...the people we critique the most are people who remind us of someone who hurt us…or ourselves.” — Nick, 80:17

• Board game feuds and Monopoly stories, e.g., Nick breaking up with a girlfriend over a rigged Monopoly game.

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Noteworthy Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Hot Guy, Hot Takes:
  “The entire cast and crew was dickmatized by Rob. He could do anything.” — Heather Shaw (29:51)

• Best Single:
  “You're our resident single, heterosexual, actual person.” — Nick to Susie (42:04)

• Traitors’ Takeaways:
  “If I kill myself for Rob, he might love me. And honestly, worth it.” — Nick (30:07)

• On Lake Houses & Doomsday:
  “We would make our last stand at the lake house.” — Nick (11:46)

• Cloning Theories:
  “I'm Jim Carrey. I'm really the clone.” — Heather Shaw (55:07)

• Love Is Blind Red Flags:
  “He talks like a 17-year-old kid who lies.” — Nick about Alex (50:00)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• SAG Awards, Pop Cult Chat: 01:16 – 14:14
• Social Media/Tech Rabbit Hole: 15:25 – 24:31
• Traitors Finale & Reunion Recap: 29:12 – 36:17
• Love Is Blind Breakdown: 40:05 – 59:06
• Jim Carrey Clone Speculation: 53:28 – 54:38
• Hot Takes/Roasts Game: 59:06 – 61:41
• RHOBH & Beverly Hills Breakdowns: 61:42 – 95:50
• Games, Dating and Self-Awareness: 83:24 – 85:14

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• Traitors and Love Is Blind this season have tapped deep anxieties about modern dating and manipulation; the crew finds both the comedy and sadness in the contestants’ (and sometimes their own) behavior.
• The absurd fun of pop culture conspiracy, as Nick and Heather debunk the internet’s appetite for clones.
• Life is best lived with a bit of neighborly connection—maybe without smartphones, maybe with more Monopoly, but ideally with less gaslighting.
• There’s hope: forthcoming reality shows (Age of Attraction) might offer more rootworthy men!

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Next up: Wednesday’s “Going Deeper” episode with Kenya Hill from the America’s Next Top Model documentary, promising honest discourse on the fashion reality world.

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Transcript

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[Heather Shaw]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. My lovely wife. My magical wife.

[Natalie]

Sure, Magical wife.

[Ashley]

Magical guys.

[Nick]

We. We went out last night. Ooh, the SAG Awards.

[Sierra]

The Actors Awards.

[Natalie]

Actor Awards. Yeah. Presented by SAG Aftra.

[Susie]

Yeah, they changed it.

[Natalie]

They changed the name this year when Netflix.

[Sierra]

Well, when Netflix officially took it, I think they transitioned to the Actors Awards because I think a lot of people don't know, like, union names as well and don't know what SAG is. So Actor Awards makes more sense.

[Nick]

We were invited because we are part of the Netflix family.

[Ashley]

And it was so funny because we pull up and we did not attend awards. We, you know, we had to put

[Natalie]

our daughter to sleep.

[Ashley]

Unfortunately, we were also not friends. We also were not invited. But so we like, you know, called an Uber, went to this event and they like, pull up to the thing and I've this. I've never been a part of this before, but the guy, like, rolls down the window or the woman rolls down the window and the, like, security guards come up to her and they're like, are you chauffeur? She's like, no, I'm Uber. And like, I'm just dropping them off and they're like, okay, we'll have the dog search your car. I'm sorry. Never in my life have I seen that.

[Nick]

She was like, for all the. For all the, like the Golden Globes or the Oscars or the parties, like, I mean, with the high profile people that attend, excluding us, they search, they search, they're searching vehicles, you know, the mirrors, cars, and the Dogs.

[Ashley]

So they were like, do you have your pass? So Nick showed them the pass that we have. It says, like, chauffeur parking pass or whatever. They're like, so are you talent? And we're like, yeah. And they're like, but you're in an Uber. And we're like, yeah, like, sorry, that's just confusing.

[Nick]

Black car. I'm like, we upgraded like, a Prius.

[Susie]

Like a driver.

[Ashley]

Like, I don't know, because, like, Paulie isn't driving us.

[Natalie]

Which one's more unrealistic that I counterfeit this pass directly or that I just took an Uber? Right. I didn't come from the event.

[Ashley]

And, like. And then I kept wanting to, like, he's like, so you're talent? And I'm like, nick and I are like, yeah, we are March 11th.

[Sierra]

Just pull up the trailer and show them.

[Natalie]

Pull up the trailer.

[Ashley]

Netflix talent.

[Sierra]

Do you see this?

[Nick]

We. Yeah. We are just one day more than a week away. That was a weird way of saying

[Sierra]

one day more than a week away.

[Nick]

March 11. Age of Attraction releases on Netflix.

[Natalie]

So excited.

[Ashley]

So we are Netflix talent. So we did go to the after party, and we did run into, if y' all remember, a few episodes ago, we talked about maybe there's.

[Nick]

Last week.

[Ashley]

Was it last week?

[Sierra]

It was last week.

[Ashley]

Last week we talked about there's maybe an actor's name that we were, like, wanting to potentially use as inspo for one of our daughter's names.

[Nick]

Emphasis on actor. Because actor awards. What? Well, I'm just saying it could be a man, it could be a woman.

[Sierra]

Oh, yes. Gender neutral.

[Nick]

We love a general. We love a general neutral. General neutral.

[Sierra]

A general neutral.

[Nick]

Apparently, river is more of a boy's name than a girl's name.

[Susie]

Says who?

[Nick]

We don't care.

[Susie]

Interesting.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Says who?

[Ashley]

Anyway, so. Yeah, anyways, so we ran into said actor, and I was like, no, but

[Nick]

first, I mean, we were at. We were at this party. We ran into a few people we don't know, but this is a lot of, like, us and Natalie standing at

[Ashley]

a table, like, ran into is crazy. Seeing out of, like, seeing at the next table over Kate Hudson not running into, but seeing her being in the same room as her.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's a lot of nally eyes standing at a table, you know, having a conversation with each other, being like,

[Natalie]

oh, my God, don't turn too quickly.

[Ashley]

There's Michael B. Jordan.

[Heather Shaw]

There's Michael B. Jordan. There's Michael B. Jordan.

[Nick]

But I was like, natalie, that's them. That they're. They're there. They're right there. Like, we could ask them, but they were talking to a lot of people.

[Ashley]

They were like, in the back of. They were seated in a. In a couch like this.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Ashley]

Like, facing the party, surrounded by people. So it wasn't like a. We could go up, tap a shoulder, you know, Wasn't approachable.

[Nick]

We didn't want to do the whole thing when they're eating. Sorry for. Sorry for interrupting your meal.

[Ashley]

So we're like, we'll just wait till. Maybe they'll hit the dance floor. They'll need a drink, you know, but we have this. We were gonna DM them. You know, we're like, this is so much better of a story.

[Nick]

And then Natalie told me my breast stank.

[Ashley]

Oh, yes.

[Nick]

And I was like, I need a mint.

[Ashley]

And then I was like, oh, my God, I'm getting lightheaded. I need to sit down. So then I'm next. Like, there's a couch. Let's go sit down on the couch. And then it said, reserved for Jason Bateman. And I was like, well, it was surrounded by security guards, like, removing people.

[Susie]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

So I was like, I don't know. I don't need to be the, like, woman who's like, I'm pregnant. I'm gonna sit in Jason Bateman's couch and, like, wait for him to get here.

[Susie]

I would support it.

[Ashley]

Then we did venture to the bathroom, where I said, you know what? There is a safe seat in the bathroom, and it is sitting on the toilet. So I'm gonna go and I'm gonna sit down in the bathroom to rest my feet for a moment. And so we did that. And when we come out, Nick's like, they're right there. They're right there. Literally. Fate of, like, just us was about to leave, grabbing a pop up bagels to go order dessert, whatever. And I was like, this is my moment. I have to ask. And so I did. And we got the blessing.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Ashley]

We got the blessing. Our poor other twin is going to be like, what?

[Susie]

What about me?

[Ashley]

That's the thing.

[Nick]

We don't. I don't.

[Natalie]

You know, how do you feel about

[Ashley]

Lindsay Lohan and How approachable is Ms. Lindsay?

[Sierra]

Wait, guys, all you have to do is just go to another one of these events.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And just check the guest list before, see if you, like, any of the names.

[Ashley]

Mandy Moore.

[Sierra]

Mandy Moore.

[Natalie]

Yeah, maybe, right?

[Sierra]

Ryan Murphy.

[Ashley]

Have y' all seen the trend of, like, names that are other things, but would be beautiful as, like, children's.

[Susie]

Yes. Like, Viagra.

[Ashley]

Chlamydia.

[Sierra]

Yes, chlamydia.

[Ashley]

Beautiful. Rolls off the tongue.

[Susie]

Rolls off the tongue.

[Sierra]

Where is that?

[Natalie]

Is that Italian?

[Sierra]

What is that?

[Natalie]

I just feel like once you know the definition, it just. No matter how beautiful of an accent, it could be chlamydia.

[Susie]

Think about. Remove what it is and think chlamydia.

[Sierra]

Phonetically, it's a beautiful name.

[Ashley]

Say it with your eyes closed.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Nick]

What about gonorrhea?

[Ashley]

Gonorrhea.

[Guest]

You'd be so surprised. My mom works in schools, and these names are names of kids that she's met.

[Heather Shaw]

No.

[Guest]

Yeah. Like, there's a lot of names that parents will just think they sound pretty or they'll read it on paper and think it's pretty and not knowing. Yeah, it's very common.

[Natalie]

Well, speaking of Ryan Murphy, has anybody watched Love Story? No, but I need to. I started watching it this weekend, and I just feel like I've experienced such an epic failure having waited so long to start this as it came out last month, right before Valentine's Day. The way that this show is shot is like. It feels like it's a show straight out of the 90s. It's giving sex in the city. It's giving romance. It's giving New York. It's giving longing. The man who plays John F. Kennedy, Jr. Swoon Carolyn Bassett character. She's. She's phenomenal. I want long hair. I want to flip it over on a constant. I even want to start smoking again.

[Susie]

But wait, Smoking having a comeback, and I'm like, so sa that. But continue. Sorry.

[Natalie]

It just looks so cool.

[Heather Shaw]

I know.

[Susie]

Kids are falling for it.

[Natalie]

They're falling for it. I did it the first go round.

[Nick]

I'm not drinking anymore.

[Susie]

No, but they're smoking.

[Sierra]

No, they're doing both. Sorry.

[Ashley]

Mary said we're doing both.

[Nick]

Mary's like, I bought some kids beer the other day.

[Natalie]

I got a pack of reds in my back pocket.

[Sierra]

No, you guys.

[Natalie]

Sorry.

[Ashley]

I'm the.

[Sierra]

I'm a pastor's daughter. Cut all that.

[Natalie]

But, yeah, no, I didn't watch it for a while because obviously it was a. Ryan Murphy's an executive producer, and I kind of have a weird relationship with his biopics. I feel like he takes a lot of liberties.

[Nick]

You were worried that he was gonna have the two leads make out with their siblings 100%.

[Natalie]

Like, I was just, like. I didn't know where we were going in the sense of, like, if we're gonna do an accurate telling. But it's based off of a book series and the Creators and writers. He's just an executive producer. But, like, I would slap my name on that too, because this project is phenomenal and I just, I highly recommend it.

[Sierra]

Well, he needs something good. I currently have beef with Ryan Murphy.

[Natalie]

Ooh, tell me about it.

[Susie]

What's your beef?

[Ashley]

Personal beef.

[Sierra]

Here's what happens. So Ryan Murphy, obviously doing season of American Horror Story. It's going to be a return to Coven, right? He's bringing the witches back, which is huge. However, John Waters, who I do have, if you are on video, on my desk right here, love that man is going to be in it. And here is what I just would like to say. Instead of giving Ryan Murphy a budget to do all of his stuff that's maybe sometimes good, give that money to John Waters so he can make a weird movie with Aubrey Plaza. That's all I have to say.

[Natalie]

All right.

[Susie]

I like it. That is very personal.

[Ashley]

That is very personal.

[Natalie]

Yeah, but I hear you.

[Sierra]

I just needed to say that if

[Natalie]

you know, you know and I don't.

[Ashley]

Well, we have a great episode lined up for you all today. We have stand up comedian Heather Shaw joining us. She is absolutely hilarious and a big

[Nick]

love is Blind Traitors and Beverly Hills fan. So she's watching it all. So she is with us to help break down a lot of the TV that we watched over the weekend and a lot to talk about with my favorite line of the weekend, which was, I'm going to have a beautiful house in Florida. A potential trust in Dubai, of course, in a safe house in New Zealand.

[Natalie]

And a wife and kids. Might not be her, but I will have one of those.

[Nick]

Ashley's great, but in five years, I see myself with a better wife, literally. He didn't say better, but he was like, it's implied.

[Susie]

Yeah, probably brunette, dark. Dark features, shorter.

[Sierra]

My favorite tweet I saw about that was about Alex being like, that's an incredibly smart way to say you're unemployed.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

Every time he talks.

[Nick]

But he just said, it was such confidence.

[Sierra]

He says everything with such confidence. And I don't believe a word of it.

[Natalie]

He's got three.

[Nick]

I mean, he, he talks like a 17 year old. Like, that's how I, you know, in 17 you're like, you know, you know, in five years I'm gonna drive a BMW.

[Ashley]

But like, why does he need a safe house?

[Nick]

Also, I thought about this because, like,

[Natalie]

this world goes to shit.

[Nick]

That's what I assume he means. And, and you know, every once in a while, as a family man that I am now and you know, kids, I. In the state of the world sometimes gets a little scary. For sure. Even though I try not to be a doomsday type of person, but I always think to myself, what if.

[Natalie]

Would you go bunker? Would you go panic room?

[Sierra]

Oh, boy.

[Nick]

Well, I'd go lake house.

[Ashley]

I'd go claustrophobia.

[Nick]

But I thought, you know, like, the lake house would probably. We would make our last stand at the lake house.

[Ashley]

It's.

[Nick]

It's.

[Sierra]

Well, you could, like, trap someone on the lake. Well, you know what I mean?

[Natalie]

But.

[Nick]

But my. But every time I thought about this, I'm like, man, that is. Lake houses, it's kind of far away.

[Guest]

That is.

[Nick]

You know, like, what happens. I don't know when I. I don't know when I'm going to need said. We got to go to the place, you know, the safe house.

[Guest]

You're the place that people find in, like, season four that's been, like, untouched.

[Nick]

But how is Alex getting to New Zealand?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Isn't that kind of far away for a place?

[Natalie]

Right.

[Susie]

If doomsday is happening, like, what, are you going to board a flight and head out now? Hey, things are getting really bad.

[Natalie]

I'm going to.

[Ashley]

Let me take a flight.

[Heather Shaw]

You're going to take the 24 hours,

[Nick]

then he's got to go to Dubai.

[Sierra]

Well, here's the thing. He has a lot of his ex girlfriends all over, so they'll let him

[Ashley]

know early or current girlfriends.

[Sierra]

Girlfriends. They'll let him know early, and then he can get to the bunker.

[Natalie]

Maybe two in the same month.

[Nick]

Well, Heather Shaw is with us, and she will join us momentarily to get into it all. Also, don't forget, we are. Our merch drop is going fast. Supplies are limited. It's almost gone. So if you want to get your household sweatshirt, which is my. My new favorite sweatshirt or the how's your heart sweatshirt, which is also pretty good. There's two. There's two versions of that.

[Sierra]

Pretty cool.

[Nick]

Get them now. Again, I don't. I don't know how long they're gonna last. So by the time you hear, it might be gone. I don't know. But if you still haven't checked it out, go to valfiles.com for your merch needs. Also, don't forget, Val Files plus is ad free. We love that it's ad free. For all your favorite Vile Files episodes you can listen to without any interruption, we have our reality recap Deep dives, where we deep dive your favorite episodes. Obviously, we'll really get into the love Is blind. That evolved because we can't possibly cover every granular detail of the two episodes that we watched.

[Ashley]

Justin really wants to talk about Toy Story 5, so that's. You're going to see that in there.

[Guest]

We talked about that.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we talked about Valley Person style, too.

[Guest]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Nick]

We get.

[Ashley]

We get into all of it.

[Nick]

We get into it all. So check it out. Also your pop. Extra episodes where we talk about all your favorite pop culture topics, like us being at the Actors Awards.

[Guest]

Did you see that La Roach confirmed at the red carpet that Tom Holland and Zendaya are married?

[Natalie]

I'm obsessed.

[Sierra]

Allegedly.

[Guest]

La Roach, I mean,

[Sierra]

Loves a bit.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Guest]

But not a rumor.

[Ashley]

But, like, how chic of Zendaya to be like. I know, guys, I don't need to make an announcement. I don't need to post. I'm like, sure, Law. If you're on a red carpet, feel

[Natalie]

free to let him know there's something so perfect about the way that he was just like, you missed it. It was just like, do better at your jobs, guys.

[Ashley]

It's, like, embarrassing. Like, oh, you're still waiting.

[Natalie]

Oh, really?

[Ashley]

For her to get married. Well, she already did.

[Natalie]

Do your research.

[Guest]

Honestly, though, not a single paparazzi or anything of, like, a tent from above. Like, nobody knew.

[Natalie]

But, you know, it was so chic, too.

[Nick]

I saw a photo. Maybe it was.

[Natalie]

You did?

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, did see a photo of their wedding, like, of them at the altar?

[Ashley]

What you did?

[Guest]

I just.

[Natalie]

I feel like you talked about AI. There's also a movie that she's in where she's getting married, and I think it's To Jim.

[Guest]

To Robert Pattinson.

[Natalie]

Oh, Robert Pattinson.

[Nick]

But this was. No.

[Ashley]

When I Google, was it Robert Pattinson?

[Nick]

And again, I definitely. I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing it probably was fake, but I did it.

[Ashley]

Was it grainy?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Did it look like Bigfoot?

[Sierra]

I don't know.

[Heather Shaw]

Did you guys?

[Susie]

I feel like it's.

[Heather Shaw]

I.

[Nick]

They're the best. Let me see.

[Susie]

Well, there's a bunch. And some of them. They're in different countries.

[Sierra]

Yeah, no, this is.

[Susie]

None of those are them.

[Nick]

Oh, that's the one I saw.

[Natalie]

To talk on that, though, for a second. Oh, my God. Real Housewives of Orange County. Gina. Gina. I just saw a post this morning that she was talking about because I guess on Facebook, people use Facebook, AI, and they make these, like, completely fake stories. I don't even know how this is legal, but they put out there that, like, Gina announced her pregnancy and she Was like, it's absolutely 100 false. And they did that with Shannon Beador recently, her boyfriend.

[Sierra]

Oh yeah.

[Natalie]

They changed a photo that she's in with Vicky, put a man next to her and her like flashing up an engagement ring. And it's not even a photo that actually exists.

[Ashley]

Yeah, no, it's. I mean, I'm still an avid Facebook user. I do like to keep up with.

[Natalie]

It's the most bizarre thing about you, I have to say.

[Nick]

I look over and she's like, on Facebook. I've never logged on to my Facebook.

[Natalie]

And the last people I'm trying to keep up with, it's the same thing for me. Okay.

[Ashley]

You know, sometimes I. It's like, it's. I cut out TikTok a while ago, I'm like, Facebook is safe.

[Nick]

It would probably be a blast for me to log because honestly, that's like a whole world I left behind.

[Ashley]

No, it's like, oh my God, there's that.

[Nick]

And I bet a lot of them are still like interacting on Facebook just like they did before because like, right. Most generations don't.

[Susie]

You know, I want to bring back Facebook albums. Like when I go on a trip and you have like 75 to 100

[Sierra]

photos, you just post all of them.

[Susie]

And I want to. I literally want somebody to create an app. Maybe I'll do it where you literally just have like albums. It seems so high risk. Like imagine the thing, like you do a little face tune and then like

[Natalie]

you post the whole album and it's

[Susie]

like, wait, that one was in there.

[Natalie]

I was gonna say I was like, the Facebook albums used to terrify me because if you get tagged in like five of them and you're scrolling through and you know one of them, it's like I'm in the background and I'm just like, oh, and that's gonna live there forever.

[Susie]

Nobody's safe.

[Sierra]

My favorite thing about Facebook albums is like, cuz I never had Facebook, I can never use it, but my siblings did. And so there's kind of like random parts of my like really special moments of my entire childhood that's just like in shitty Facebook albums on a digital camera from 2006 when my sister was in high school. And it's like the sweetest thing in the who world. I feel so warm.

[Ashley]

I also would love to be poked. You know, like I just want to go in a poke war with someone.

[Natalie]

Yeah, bring back poking. Bring back.

[Nick]

I know Facebook mobile, but I'm aware of what poking is, but I didn't really know what it was.

[Ashley]

It was like a 101 flirt.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Guest]

I've never heard of.

[Sierra]

This is the new ver. What is the new version of poking? Is it liking a. Liking an Instagram story? Liking a story is the new poking.

[Ashley]

Definitely. Yeah.

[Natalie]

But also, like, my God, am I flirting every time I like.

[Sierra]

No, you're not flirting every time you like a story, but you're flirting sometimes when you like a story.

[Natalie]

It depends on a story you're liking.

[Susie]

That's true.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

I think I'm good.

[Guest]

Wait, Susie, what were you gonna say?

[Susie]

I was just, like, really thinking through this. I'm like, I really want them to bring back. I know we have Facebook Mobile, like, on our phone.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Susie]

But it's. It's truly Facebook in every sense. But I'm like, can they bring back Facebook mobile? That's just, like. It's just like, lots of photo albums poking, maybe stories and, like, in, like, status updates. Like, I just kind of want that, but I don't want everything else that comes. I don't want Marketplace. Like, I don't want all the.

[Ashley]

Yeah, the grooves.

[Sierra]

Marketplace.

[Susie]

I love Marketplace. Me too. But separately, I'm like, I feel like Facebook needs to go. Yeah, like, bring back. Bring back, like, Facebook social.

[Natalie]

I kind of want to be prompted. I remember, like, remember when Facebook first started? It's like, Sierra is. And it's like, currently. Yeah. On aim. Find me.

[Ashley]

You'd be like, like, for a tbh.

[Nick]

I'm in the market for a flip phone.

[Susie]

Me too.

[Natalie]

You're trying to go off the grid.

[Nick]

I think so.

[Sierra]

At the lake house. Off the grid with a flip ph. I see that for you.

[Nick]

I truly believe that our phones are in. The Internet is just, like, us tapped into the matrix.

[Ashley]

But I bring up Facebook because that happens all the time. Like, I will be scrolling. I'm looking at, you know, my kids I grew up with in the neighborhood, what they're up to these days. And then it'll be like, oh, Jason Tardick and his girlfriend Catherine are expecting their third baby. And it, like, shows a picture within. You're like, oh, my God. Wow, that's crazy. And then it reminded me of when Chambliss texted us the picture that I made of us.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

And it is. So who is your husband?

[Ashley]

Who are you?

[Susie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ashley]

Like, it's not. It's none of our faces.

[Susie]

Oh, wow. Like, oh, wow.

[Natalie]

That's crazy.

[Ashley]

So scary.

[Nick]

It's a white guy with a beard, and he's wearing.

[Ashley]

I mean, they kept our clothes.

[Susie]

That's why?

[Natalie]

It's. It's crazy because it's. It is your names, like. You know what I mean? Like, it's not even like, they're like, oh, couple. In other country experiences this. They're like, no, it's Nick and Natalie.

[Ashley]

They couldn't even use our, like, our faces. It's like, who is she?

[Susie]

Yeah, but there's, like, elements that kind of. It's weird. It's almost like you got a better.

[Nick]

She's more attractive than him.

[Ashley]

That just like, is not you. Like, I've seen that man before and he's not you.

[Nick]

Yeah, he's like, on every other.

[Susie]

Yeah, he's on Love is Blind.

[Ashley]

I feel like they had so many options of photos they could have used for us.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

You know, but I guess.

[Nick]

I don't know. Anyways, I want a flip phone.

[Susie]

I do, too. For sleeping in my bedroom without, like, what is it? Radiation.

[Nick]

I'm just pretty. I'm pretty. I'm. I'm pretty decent about, like, limiting myself on my. On the Internet and. But, like, I'm as addicted as the next person.

[Natalie]

So you're down to go back to T9 texting.

[Nick]

I just. I just. You know, my favorite era of the Internet was BlackBerry. Just a little bit of Internet you could play. Check. Email game. I definitely need a navigation system because I've, of course, if it's not my hometown, I don't know, 100, even LA. I've been here for 12 years. It's like, where. What street? So I don't. I'm not trying to be off the grid. I just, like, don't need unlimited access to. Just garbage.

[Natalie]

Yeah. You know, do they still make blackberries? And if so, are they, like, updated to compete with iPhones?

[Nick]

BlackBerry? I don't think. What's the company that made BlackBerry?

[Natalie]

BlackBerry?

[Nick]

No.

[Guest]

Motorola.

[Sierra]

No Motorola.

[Susie]

And I don't mean to spread misinformation, but I did see an article that said dementia rates are rising between people in, like, late 30s, through their 40s. Like, early. Is it dementia or Alzheimer's? See, this is where I'm like, I don't know the details, but they're attributing it to social media. And I'm like, it makes so much sense when you think about it.

[Nick]

Like, test scores are. I mean, everyone's dumber.

[Natalie]

People refuse to read. Nothing frustrates me fucking more than I read somebody's caption and it gives all the information. And then I see the comments that are like, what is this from? Where is this? And it's like, for fuck's sake, it's a paragraph. Read, read.

[Sierra]

Okay. I actually found weaker social ties are linked to an increased dementia risk. And they're call like digital dementia because

[Natalie]

people are like interacting with technology your

[Nick]

brain to like, you know, consume content over a period of time, be analytical about it. Everyone is like arguing with their friends and it's always like, you just. You just watch the TikTok, you know,

[Ashley]

I definitely feel lighter having had not had TikTok for a few months. Like, I definitely am like, wow, this feels like I feel.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But yeah, I don't. I'm not trying to go off the grid, but I definitely like, like my current setup. Our current setup, I just don't think is our. Is the best approach. You know, just like having like. I just think you have to create guardrails. I also think the future is. I think we're gonna have a renaissance. Like, people need to like, you know, group parties.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, neighborhood parties. Like, you know, people need to get

[Natalie]

out, say, make going outside cool again.

[Susie]

Well, I think it is.

[Sierra]

So a really funny thing happened to me this weekend on Saturday where a UPS truck crashed into a fire hydrant. Yeah. And there was like this huge guy.

[Nick]

Everyone's okay, right?

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah, everyone's fine. It was just. Yeah, a bunch of fire trucks came. No, honestly, it was kind of awesome. Everyone was fine. It was super hot outside. Like everyone from the neighborhood came out to like giggle and watch it and watch like all the fire trucks come. And it was like everyone was taking videos and just like gabbing and chit chatting and honestly, it was like. Like me and my neighbors were like laughing with each other about it being like, what the hell is this? Because the UPS driver ran away and it was just like the most like in my. I don't know.

[Guest]

Have you guys ever ran away?

[Sierra]

Yeah, we think he did call it.

[Guest]

Not have cameras on it.

[Sierra]

It was a UPS drive.

[Ashley]

I mean, that's like he ran away on foot or.

[Sierra]

No, like he drove away and there was just this guy's there. Anyway, it's fine. Like it got fixed. It's okay. Like everyone's fine. It was fun.

[Ashley]

But you were like, wow, this time I've been outside with all of my neighbors.

[Sierra]

It was just like. Honestly, it felt like have you guys like like the beginning of do the Right Thing, the Spike Lee movie where it's just like hot and there's this

[Guest]

like community outside and they're all outside.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And it just like it felt like my childhood in a way. And it was just really sweet. That sense of community and like neighborhoods is something that I feel like has gotten so lost.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And it just felt really nice to just interact with my neighbors in that way over, like a shared communal thing.

[Ashley]

It reminds me of when we lost power and we were like, it was like the sun was going down. Like it was about to get really dark in our house and like our block had lost power.

[Nick]

This is over the summer.

[Ashley]

Yeah, over the summer. And so we were outside and everyone was kind of. Yeah. Just like coming to our driveway to like talk about the power outage and be like, oh, and do you have this? And do you have that? And we got some lanterns if you want lanterns. Then it was like, oh, in our kid. If you want a babysitter, we can. We are. My 14 year old is taking babysitting classes and it was like, wow, look at us, everyone.

[Susie]

Cute.

[Natalie]

This is so cute.

[Sierra]

Just like nice and sweet and talk to your neighbors.

[Susie]

Your neighbors. Get inside.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

All right, well, up next we have Heather Shaw to break down all your favorite TV from over the weekend. We got the Traders finale and the reunion. We got Love is Blind and we got some Real Housewives of Beverly Hills that it's all up next with the very hilarious Heather Shaw.

[Guest]

Zachary.

[Ashley]

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[Heather Shaw]

Hey queers, how you doing?

[Nick]

We're doing well.

[Ashley]

Incredible, incredible. How are you doing?

[Heather Shaw]

I'm good. I'm excited to be here, man. Vile Files. The only good files left. I'm doing good. How you guys doing?

[Ashley]

We are watching a ton of tv.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Hanging out, you know.

[Heather Shaw]

Great.

[Ashley]

What were your first thoughts of trader finale?

[Heather Shaw]

Of course, it's the hot guy.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

I mean I loved it though. I mean we knew it was ra. But I love that the guy that was wrangling snakes turned out to be a snake. That was good. I think the entire cat. Can we swear on here? Can I say dick?

[Nick]

Oh, dick. Yeah, for sure.

[Heather Shaw]

I mean you have one. It'd be weird if. Yeah. I think that the entire cast and crew was dickmatized by Rob. Yep. Fairly. I mean, he's a good looking guy. They were dignitized by that guy. He could do anything.

[Nick]

I think pretty privilege is the greatest privilege.

[Ashley]

Rob definitely had it.

[Heather Shaw]

Truly for sure.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, they're like, if I. If I. If I kill myself for Rob, he might love me. And honestly, worth it. It's worth it.

[Sierra]

Worth it.

[Natalie]

The way I was screaming at the television thinking that Maura was gonna figure it out. That it was like she's so close, so close. And she's like, it just. It can't be robbed. I'm like, why? Why can't it be Rob?

[Nick]

Yeah. She made it seem like it was just the most impossible thing. It was so possible.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

That was crazy. I just love it. He's a pretty man.

[Ashley]

And then the switch up of Eric, her pact with Tara being like, we're gonna vote out Eric. And then she still didn't vote out Eric. It's like, oh, my God. Frustrating, but, you know, it was. He was a great.

[Heather Shaw]

I think even Alan Cumming liked him.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

The name of the game.

[Heather Shaw]

Everyone wanted his ass. It was great.

[Sierra]

Oh, Heather, I have a question. As a. As a Drag Race fan, which Alan Cumming outfit was your favorite?

[Heather Shaw]

Oh, my God, girl, Don't ask me that. They were all beautiful. I like the Banquet.

[Sierra]

The Banquet.

[Heather Shaw]

I just liked him in the Banquet as is. It was insane. He just got to be so dramatic. He was a dramatic gay living his best life. Being like it was you.

[Natalie]

Jam.

[Heather Shaw]

Jam. That was, you know, I mean, that was the best.

[Sierra]

It was gorgeous.

[Heather Shaw]

But, yeah, I mean, he got to. He got to be super dramatic. I love it.

[Ashley]

Did you also watch the Reunion?

[Heather Shaw]

I didn't watch the reunion.

[Nick]

You didn't miss much.

[Ashley]

I didn't feel like it.

[Heather Shaw]

I thought it was great what's going on there. Everyone says it's a waste.

[Nick]

Yeah. It was mostly Candace and Lisa trying to make a thing of Rob winning it by himself, you know, and it was like trying to force Rob to own it, which was like. What do you mean, own? It's like he won.

[Sierra]

I thought it was. I liked the reunion. Well, the one part of the reunion I really loved was Andy's overall. Well, Andy's overalls were great. No, it was Portia.

[Nick]

They were not.

[Sierra]

It was Portia talking to Mama Kelsey and saying, thank you, Mama. Mama, Mama. She was like, respectfully, mama, you're wrong. And it was awesome.

[Heather Shaw]

This is so funny. I love that Ron funches when he going in. He didn't know how dumb Portia is. I love Portia, but, you know, she thought the Underground Railroad had trains.

[Ashley]

Yep.

[Heather Shaw]

So he didn't understand that, like, what she's saying could maybe just be not the truth. It's just her being kind of silly, you know, she's a little dumb. It's fun. I love Portia. She's beautiful. We don't have to be smart.

[Ashley]

Speaking of Portia, did you watch the trailer for New Atlanta Housewives?

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Heather Shaw]

Yes.

[Ashley]

And she's dipping her toes.

[Heather Shaw]

I'm ready.

[Ashley]

She's dipping her little toes.

[Heather Shaw]

Yes. Girl getting in that lesbian water, just drinking it out. She's just, like, trying to change the it up. I love it. She's got a stud. She does have a stud. I'm all about it. I think it's fun. I think it's great. Also, in the reunion, I saw. I did see clips of Michael Rappaport. Like, what's the vibe? Does everyone really hate him? I know he's kind of.

[Natalie]

I think from the cast, he's kind of fun.

[Nick]

I. I'm a fan. We've had him on the show. Am I a fan of funny? Yeah. I mean, he. He's a self proclaimed shit starter. He, like, he. I. Yeah, I think he's.

[Sierra]

He's good for 10 minutes and then get him out of there is how I feel.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah. They were clearly annoyed by him.

[Ashley]

Yeah. I don't think anyone on the cast is.

[Nick]

Yeah, I don't think he's.

[Ashley]

Yeah, well, I don't think he, like, came in with open arms.

[Nick]

He wasn't there to make friends.

[Natalie]

Nobody rides harder for Michael Rapaport than Michael Rapaport. And I think that's kind of what gets to the cast is that it's like, stop talking about yourself. Stop defending yourself. We're talking about somebody else now.

[Nick]

I could see why it would be exhausting being in the castle with him.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Because I feel like that was his whole take in the reunion was just like him defending himself when nobody was asking him to.

[Sierra]

I feel like he sucks up in traitors. He sucked up all the energy in the room, and it's just like, you can't make a show like that when somebody is doing it. Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

When he kept yelling out, clip.

[Ashley]

Yeah, clip.

[Heather Shaw]

That's very fun. It's insane, but it's fun.

[Natalie]

And Dorinda's right there. The originator of sex.

[Nick]

I know, but he also just doesn't care. And I kind of love that.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I saw Rob did a. Speaking of being hot, GQ did a little piece on him, which he looked great and then. But I. I saw he identified himself as extremely polarizing.

[Natalie]

Rob.

[Nick]

Yeah. Which I was like, I found to be very interesting. Well, yeah. Right. Because, like, you know, I was like, huge.

[Natalie]

I don't think I've seen a man be more palatable to the masses than Rob Roush.

[Nick]

Well, he thinks he's polarizing, which I thought was just fascinating. That that's his perception of himself, which, like, just kind of reminds you that, like, we no longer live in an age where people are, like, universally beloved. You know, with the Internet being what it is. Like, everyone has a group of haters,

[Ashley]

and that algorithm will feed you that group I hate. We'll show it to you.

[Nick]

Like, if you haven't opened up TikTok in a while and you're like. And you're a public figure of any kind, you'll Open it to, you know, why you're a, you know, type of thing. It's a wild thing.

[Heather Shaw]

I haven't seen anyone hate Rob.

[Ashley]

Yeah, me either.

[Nick]

Well, I haven't either. From my. For my pov, he's universally beloved. But I imagine, like, you know, I've seen things where he's like, he is. You know, people are getting hate when you see them defending themselves in the comments. And Rob has been fairly busy in the comments this season, so he is definitely being criticized by some section of the Internet, probably some housewives fans.

[Natalie]

Sure.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I was also going to say, though, I was like, the small amount of negative comments he's probably not used to receiving from said fans.

[Nick]

But what's small?

[Natalie]

It's the same way that you can have 100 great comments and three bad comments, and the three bad comments will stick out to you that.

[Nick]

But it is fascinating. That's how he feels. Right. Where we're all watching Rob being like, everyone loves you, man. Like, how did you do it?

[Natalie]

I was gonna say the only polarizing thing he said to. For me was at the end when he was like, yep, I'm just gonna take my money, get myself a house, live a quiet life. And I was like, you're gonna be on gq. You're gonna be. I'm not gonna be able to get Sonic commercial. I'm not gonna be able to get

[Nick]

away from Dancing with the Stars of that stick.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Susie]

And that's the thing. It's like, truly a stick. Like, and that I. I think me. The part of me that is like, he's a little polarizing. Like, I sit here watching, and I'm like, I have been personally victimized by you, one of these people before. You know what I mean? And so it's like, I can sit here and objectively be like, no. Like, I have. There's no malice, no bad feeling. I think he's so fun to watch. I was rooting for him to win until the end, kind of, because then I felt bad. But it's like, I feel like I have personally experienced this. And so watching from the outside, you're just like, you want to shake Mara. And you're just like, what? Like, what are you doing? Blinded.

[Ashley]

I've been there.

[Susie]

Yeah. But it's frustrating, and it's like, it. Like, it affects me. And so I will say, like, yes, I can objectively be like, no, hate to Rob, but I'm also like, no, you're a terror. And you're.

[Natalie]

What's wrong with. You've ruined A lot of women's lives, haven't you?

[Heather Shaw]

Yes.

[Susie]

And men in your same font have done this same to me. You know, so it's.

[Nick]

It is kind of like I just. Oops.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He's like, I'm just a simple man. It's like the most complicated man of all time.

[Nick]

Well, a lot of people are frustrated, you know, like the. I mean, he, He. How people. He took all the money. He really screwed over.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

He made a good point of like, would you give a hundred thousand dollars to someone you met three weeks ago?

[Heather Shaw]

Hell no.

[Susie]

But also, Eric made a great point. Money's cool, but relationships are better.

[Ashley]

I was.

[Susie]

He said something along those lines, and I was like, you know what? That's a good person who's gonna have good relationships.

[Ashley]

But also, I feel like him and Ro. Totally fine. Remember, like at the reunion, they were like, oh, yeah, it took me a couple days.

[Nick]

But it is interesting because what if. What if one of the finale finalists was a. Was a gamer? And mostly gamers are kind of come on and be like, well, listen, you know, when I'm not on these game shows, I'm just. You're. I'm. I'm just nine to five in it. I'm a normal person. I. I'm not. I'm doing fine in life. But like, this is a shitlot of money to me.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it would have been. It would have been kind of fascinating if Rob, like, if. If Natalie, for example, was. It was just him and Natalie.

[Ashley]

But it does make you wonder, like, Rob walked out with, what was it, 228. But then it's like, I wonder how much Sonic paid him for those 14 hours.

[Susie]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, you're. He's probably fine.

[Ashley]

Close to the same amount.

[Susie]

I think you can know. Totally. And I don't. I. I don't see Eric doing Sonic ads. You know what I mean?

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Susie]

I don't know. I think it really put a bad taste. I mean, maybe I. Maybe I'm falling for it, but I'm like, I feel like it put a bad taste in my mouth. I'. You basically just like used people, which I guess is the game.

[Natalie]

No, he literally didn't say that. Even with Maura, he was like, we need Maura to go to the end so I can her over.

[Susie]

No, literally. And honestly, I was like so annoyed at Mara the whole time. And then when we got to the end, I was like, oh, I suddenly feel so bad for you.

[Ashley]

Yeah, like, I was face when he was like, I'm playing hard. And he was just, like, laughing and smiling, and she was just like.

[Susie]

I know. When she was like, you embarrassed me. I was like, oh, I know that. I know that feeling.

[Natalie]

Oh, you embarrassed me.

[Susie]

That is so real.

[Heather Shaw]

Didn't she say, like, good luck finding a girlfriend?

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Susie]

You're never gonna find a girlfriend.

[Heather Shaw]

He's gonna be fine, Maura. He'll be all right. I think he has one now.

[Nick]

Every single one will be like, I'll change him. Yeah, it'll be me. Yeah, I'll be the one. You know, all these hoes.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Nick]

They are just dumb and stupid. I will.

[Natalie]

He confirmed at the reunion he's got a girlfriend, and she's.

[Heather Shaw]

They've been so dumb.

[Natalie]

Yeah. He's the most marketable he's ever been.

[Heather Shaw]

Why would you do that?

[Nick]

His girlfriend is himself.

[Susie]

He chose himself, or it's all marketing

[Nick]

and his heart to her.

[Susie]

And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna be in a relationship, and then they'll break up, and then he'll still have access to all the women he wants, but for the public image. Yeah, I'm just a simple man with the girlfriend.

[Ashley]

I told y', all, I just want to settle.

[Nick]

Do we know who she is or is.

[Ashley]

As far as she said we do.

[Nick]

She's a real person.

[Ashley]

She's, like, from, like, the Midwest. City.

[Natalie]

Kansas City.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

It's a snake.

[Ashley]

She's a snake. She's a python from Kansas City. He found woods roaming rare. Speaking of men who are, you know, not maybe our cup of tea currently, maybe in this moment, Love is Blind has a few winners.

[Heather Shaw]

Oh, God.

[Ashley]

Gems.

[Natalie]

You could say gems.

[Ashley]

Some gems. Alex and his little curly piece that he pulls over to the front on his forehead. I'm still wondering. I would love to see him get ready in the morning and put the gel on that piece.

[Natalie]

What are your thoughts?

[Heather Shaw]

What about Chris?

[Ashley]

Evil Chris is here.

[Heather Shaw]

I'm just gonna say he might. He might be a little gay.

[Natalie]

I'm sorry.

[Heather Shaw]

My gaydar. It goes off for this guy when he's like, you just. You don't do CrossFit. It's like, girl, she's a doctor.

[Ashley]

Literally. Yeah. He wants to fuck himself.

[Sierra]

You know, it's giving a bit of internalization.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah. It seems like he's just, like, trying to find a reason not to, you know, enter her.

[Ashley]

He's like, it's just not working for me. You know what I'm saying?

[Heather Shaw]

Well, you don't do Pilates Queen.

[Ashley]

Yeah. The Andrew Tate Comment was crazy.

[Nick]

What makes you go on Love is Blind and say the word Andrew Tate unwarranted.

[Ashley]

And also Bree being like, I don't know who that man is. I'm getting the out of this conversation.

[Nick]

No, that was brilliant. We said that on plus. But she definitely has heard his name.

[Sierra]

New.

[Ashley]

No, for sure.

[Nick]

She was like, I know enough to just say I don't know it. But I'm also immediately need to leave.

[Ashley]

This is.

[Nick]

This is very dangerous.

[Sierra]

Too long to watch sometimes. What is really special about Love is Blind is specifically on that show, you can just watch men dig their own grave. And you think they're gonna stop, and then they don't. They just keep going. And the camera is right there. It is Netflix 4K Ultra HD. And they just keep saying things like, what you think I'm Andrew Tate with

[Ashley]

a big smile on his face?

[Sierra]

A big evil smile on his face.

[Nick]

Susie, you're our. I think you're our resident single, heterosexual, actual person.

[Ashley]

Congratulations.

[Natalie]

If I'm looking at title,

[Nick]

we got a couple gays. We have. Sierra's engaged. We're married. And you're. You're single and straight.

[Natalie]

Okay, okay.

[Sierra]

Single and gay.

[Nick]

But is. Is this. What I mean is, is when we watch these shows and they're really highlighting. And we were. You know, it seems like this season of Love is Blind. They're really. They're introducing us to what seems to be like this. This, like, ultra toxic kind of, you know, you know, guy who's like, you know, either dreaming about day trading, you know, like the male influencer and all, like, these. These kind of very. What's it like? These are like red pill guys. Is that. What. Are you seeing that out in the dating landscape more and more, or is this. Is it just still, like.

[Susie]

I. I honestly have. I mean, I am not gonna lie. I have had some really, really strange dating experiences. And I. And I don't know if it's that I'm in LA now, because I've put myself out there a lot more, but, I mean, I met a guy that was just like, blatantly like, I'm monogamous now, but in five years. Like, I can't guarantee you that that's what I want, but I do want a wife and kids. So what, like, fully went on a date with a guy that said that to me like, a few months ago and then went out with a very, like, just like a. Which I didn't see that coming. I really didn't see that coming. And then went out with a guy that was just very. I would. I would say probably similar. Like, I was like, oh, this is very fun. You're very attractive. I really like this. But, like, I know what I'm signing up for. It kind of felt like this type of guy that you'd see on the show. And then I've also, you know, I met a really, really, really nice human as well. So I feel like I've had a lot, like. But I. I feel like there's a lot of weird stuff happening, and it's just becoming very normalized. Like, it's normal to be, like, just absurd. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, oh, people are just accepting.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'm just like, I don't think Chris. I don't think this is, like, a bad edit. And I don't think he showed up thinking, I'm gonna. Like, for fun, I'm gonna be the villain and. And think that's gonna be, like, his shtick.

[Susie]

No, I think he thinks it's normal.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, I think. But that's what's crazy about it.

[Ashley]

That's why he's, like, open to having this. These conversations with anyone. It's like he'll sit down with whoever and be like, no, this is why we broke up. And I said, like, listen, we can keep trying. Trying. She didn't want to, so that's on her.

[Guest]

Right.

[Natalie]

So, yeah, I can rest my head at night knowing I gave her an option.

[Nick]

It's like, I can't think of anything else but the fact that I am disgusted by your body. But I don't know why you don't want to keep on trying.

[Ashley]

And then when they see each other at the mixer, and he's like, you look so good. You look really good. You shut up.

[Natalie]

Literally, do not speak to me.

[Ashley]

He's like. And you just have dark features and you. And she's like, I don't need you to tell me.

[Guest]

And I don't.

[Nick]

I. I just don't know how you can be that aggro of a man and be wearing a vest. Yeah, I just.

[Heather Shaw]

What's his height? Is he a short king?

[Ashley]

I think he is five eight.

[Heather Shaw]

That's the issue.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

Maybe five seven.

[Sierra]

Connor said he was short.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Connor called him short.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah, I like, classic.

[Sierra]

What do you guys think about Connor?

[Susie]

Oh, I love Connor.

[Ashley]

Like, what did that breakup come out of absolute nowhere? I was. It was like, the most beautiful conversation that they were having where she was like, you're not getting the best version of me. And, like, I can offer you so much More you're teaching me how to be. But are you just a lesson in life or are you. I was like, whoa.

[Nick]

Chris needs to take notes from Bri because at the end of the day, I just think Bri is just not into Connor physically. Love is not blind for Brie either. But instead of being like, what's wrong with your body? And I, you know, my dick doesn't work. When I think about how you look. She could have just been like, maybe you're a lesson. I think, you know, maybe, you know, like, Bree did it perfectly. Like. Like, you know, she wasn't a dick.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I just think it's, like. Just shows that. It's like, there is really no right way to break up with someone. Totally. Because I'm like, yes. Obviously, Chris is like, that's the absolute blueprint to what not to do. But I'm like, even breeze. I felt the same way. I felt like I was, like, watching, like, a thriller, and then all of a sudden, here's the fucking twist. And I was like, wait, wait, what is happening? And it's like he's. She's literally dumping him. But I'm like. At the same time, it was like. It was eloquent. She was like, I'm really working through things on myself. I'm not the best version of myself, myself, but it's still like, ah, brutal. Because he wants to marry you.

[Nick]

But I do think. I do think in. In a world where we're, you know, we're seeing more and more professionals of every gender out there, and the boss ladies and the boss men's. But for. For the. For the simple guys, the rashes that. That maybe just their apartments aren't very glamorous. You're not very fancy, you know, and they truly need a woman's touch. But Connor is like, your definition of a guy who's this like. Like, tell me what to do. Tell me how I can be a better person. I will love you. I'll be honest. I will defend your honor. I am. I have high character. Like, you can. You can even nag at me. You can even pick on me a little bit. I. And I. I'm a.

[Susie]

Like, he's a good.

[Nick]

We need to give these guys a shot, you know, because you just need a. They're all coachable, and some of you really like to coach. So I just. And that's what I don't get. Like, they. They seem very compatible, Bri and Connor, because she is. She's a coach.

[Susie]

Okay, well, see, I didn't want A coach for her. For him. Because I was watching it and I was like, oh, he's just taking it. But I'm like, I want him to stand up for himself and be like, I wanted him to, like, have more.

[Nick]

Sure. But maybe they'll find. They could have found that at some point. She could have. He could have been like, yo, like,

[Ashley]

when she was like, you don't. At the restaurant take. You don't say, she'll have this. You instead look at me as like, what should we order? I'm like, that is my nightmare of a man. A man who says, giving white chicks. Yeah, she'll have the salad. Perhaps not.

[Susie]

That is literally her.

[Ashley]

She's like, you look at me like, what should we. It should be a. What should we order? It should be a conversation.

[Natalie]

And to that point, I'm like, sorry, apples and oranges for me. Where it's like a Connor or an Alex, where I'm like, okay, Connor has a career. Connor owns a home. Connor has manners and is sweet. And then we've got Alex who has no home, who has no job, but knows how to fudgeing, talk a bunch of shit.

[Nick]

Yeah. No, Connor has honest work. I'm just saying Connor definitely needs a strong woman in his life to say, hey, listen, you're a good guy and you're doing great, but you can do a little bit more.

[Susie]

Let's get the keg out then.

[Nick]

Yeah, we can make this a little prettier. You know, we can polish you up a little bit.

[Ashley]

Heather, did you see where Alex was like, nuggets, Buffalo sauce.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

No.

[Ashley]

What the hell? They're in a fight, and then he's like. Starts giving her McDonald's order. Like, I know you so well. It's nuggets, Coke.

[Heather Shaw]

Right?

[Ashley]

Buffalo honey.

[Heather Shaw]

Right?

[Ashley]

And she's like, yeah.

[Nick]

He's like, thank God. The fight that they were in was he brought his friend, a woman, I guess, to, like, advocate for him.

[Susie]

Wait, really?

[Natalie]

What are you talking.

[Ashley]

She was part of cast.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh.

[Ashley]

Oh.

[Guest]

She was on.

[Susie]

Oh. Her storyline never made it, but she was in the pods.

[Sierra]

Pod squad, baby.

[Nick]

But they're friends.

[Susie]

They're. They're friends from before.

[Natalie]

They lied to casting or like, lied to everybody that they didn't know each other so that they would both get the.

[Nick]

Oh, he lied.

[Susie]

He admitted they omitted.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Yeah, but it didn't. It didn't make the storyline or she didn't. I guess she didn't have.

[Nick]

Well, she did not have. She did not have his back.

[Sierra]

No.

[Susie]

I was like, period.

[Sierra]

Get it?

[Natalie]

Yeah, same.

[Nick]

Tell us, Heather, do you have a trust in Dubai, a safe house in New Zealand, or a really nice house in Florida like Alex is planning on having?

[Heather Shaw]

All of it. Yeah, I like to lie too.

[Nick]

Alex. Yeah, he reminds you. He, he, he speaks like a 17 year old kid who lies.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah, it's all. That's, that's boy manifesting.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

When you, you just talk about a thousand.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's how I talked when I was 17 and then I turned out. And then you turned 25 and you're like, I don't have any of those things I planned on having. Because like five years felt like forever. Yep. And you're like, I'm a total loser. Loser.

[Susie]

Still trying.

[Nick]

Except that he is third. He's 30.

[Ashley]

Is there anyone specifically that you're rooting for?

[Heather Shaw]

No, not at all. As a gay woman?

[Sierra]

No.

[Natalie]

What about Christine?

[Heather Shaw]

I don't care. I think Devonte's funny because his head is full of rocks.

[Nick]

You know when he's just like, yeah,

[Heather Shaw]

it's fun to watch that. When. Who is that? Who was the girl that was telling him, like, I know you're never gonna call me pretty Britney.

[Sierra]

And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God.

[Heather Shaw]

I just love that he's giving her nothing.

[Sierra]

Question, Heather, do you feel like watching Love is Blind? Do you feel like you're an anthropologist just like studying this psychotic heterosexual experiment?

[Heather Shaw]

Truly. Yeah. I'm like, men never listen this much to women. This is amazing.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And then they still don't in the show.

[Heather Shaw]

They're actually asking questions.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

And then still don't. Yeah. And then it's still like a five foot seven guy being like, you don't do CrossFit Queen. It's just batshit. Yeah, I'm just kind of.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

I'm waiting for the lesbian Love is Blind because straight dating is so foreign to me. I'm just like, dad, they did. Poor women.

[Ashley]

I don't know. Queer Ultimatum. Did they not?

[Sierra]

They did. And it's toxic.

[Heather Shaw]

I know. That was so horrible.

[Sierra]

Terrible.

[Heather Shaw]

It's so bad. It's all bad. I guess you have to be.

[Sierra]

I mean.

[Susie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

But you got to be crazy to be on a reality show. You can't be, you know, a stable lesbian. That's boring.

[Sierra]

But I also think that you're not

[Heather Shaw]

going to Trader Joe's.

[Sierra]

The problem with lesbian Love is Blind is like, you can't make any eye contact in the pods. So that's like.

[Heather Shaw]

And they're going to fall in love in two Seconds.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And so then it's like. It's just pointless. Honestly. Honestly, in my opinion, it wouldn't work as a concept.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't work. Maybe gay guys. I don't know. Gay guys are a little toxic. That could be fun.

[Sierra]

Oh, that would be awesome.

[Heather Shaw]

Sleep around with everybody. That's fun.

[Nick]

What do you think is going on with Alex's hair?

[Sierra]

Nothing good.

[Nick]

I wanted to give him the benefit of doubt when he had that really pronounced piece, and I was just like, oh. It kind of just reminded me of just how, like, how glamorous, like, the average celebrity is when the do, like, glam. And, you know, because I don't know about you, Susie, on reality tv, and then you see yourself, and you're like, I should have done my hair that day or something.

[Susie]

Oh, absolutely.

[Nick]

And you just realize just, like, how much makeup or the average celebrity wears because, like, you going. You going out in public, like, with your Nor is, like, apparently her hideous. That's what I learned when I went on.

[Heather Shaw]

Do you get glam on those shows?

[Nick]

No. No, not at all. That's kind of my point where it's just like, you just. You're just. Just. You do your hair a little bit, you know, and sometimes after a while, you're in these, like, crazy environments, and you just don't give a anymore. And you, like, put on a hoodie and. And whatever. And then you're like, I'm gonna regret that.

[Susie]

That was me at my hometown date. My best friend saw me. She goes, oh, you didn't want to put on makeup today? And I was like, oh, I thought

[Natalie]

I was wearing makeup.

[Susie]

And then I watched it back and was like, oh, yeah, I look horrid.

[Nick]

But then I saw Alex, and he had that one wild hair just, like, sitting there, really pronounced. And I thought, you know, he. He just. He just had to do a scene unexpectedly. But then now. Then I was looking for it, and it's kind of a thing that was just like, he didn't do it quite well.

[Ashley]

He does it every single morning. He fixes it throughout the day. For sure.

[Heather Shaw]

It's intentional.

[Ashley]

I have a question for you, and I feel like you're really the only person I feel safe enough to ask.

[Heather Shaw]

Okay.

[Ashley]

Do you feel like Jim Carrey has been cloned?

[Heather Shaw]

Girl, I'm so. The Internet has been so annoying. I'm, like, losing faith in humanity. How many people believe he was cloned? For what reason? So he could have a puffy face and show up and speak French at an Award show. Like, he's retired.

[Nick]

I don't know if this is fake news, but it came out last night. But that we now know, like, someone was wearing a prosthetic. It was a prosthetic.

[Heather Shaw]

No, that is. That is somebody Dick riding for clout. That's Alexis Stone, who wears, like, latex masks.

[Nick]

So that was really.

[Heather Shaw]

Jim Carrey shows up and

[Ashley]

see, this is. That was really with the Internet people.

[Heather Shaw]

I know. It doesn't look like I'm, like, worried.

[Ashley]

Yeah, yeah. No, because people are like, I'm trying

[Nick]

to get a flip side.

[Heather Shaw]

Thinking of Jim carrey from the 90s. He's 60. What is he, mid-60s? Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Heather Shaw]

With face work. That's what happens. You know what I mean? We all see Real Housewives. I don't know how it's so crazy and baffling people to be like, what's fillers all of a sudden. Yeah. I think he's just an older dude, and people are like, oh, he's talking different. I'm like, you get old, and you're just, like, gentler and quiet, quieter. I don't know what they're expecting to, like, kick flip.

[Natalie]

What about the conspiracy of his eye color changing from brown to blue?

[Heather Shaw]

Right. This is. We should have left kids behind in school. It's just lighting. It's like, my eyes can be brown and then lighter and with light. It's just science. When people don't understand things anymore. Yeah. They're just like. Or like, contacts don't exist or. You know.

[Nick]

You're really disappointing a lot of fans out there, Heather.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah, well, that's because I'm Jim Carrey. I'm really the clone. Yeah.

[Natalie]

I should.

[Heather Shaw]

I should run with this theory, but I feel bad for the guy, kind of. He's a millionaire.

[Nick]

Do we think anyone's gonna say I do this season? We definitely need an I do.

[Natalie]

Christine and Vic, for sure.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

But I feel like that's their healthy couple, so that's why we're not really focusing on them besides, like, showing them every once in a while. I also want to take back what I said about Devonte and Brittany to anybody. That's a plus list. Because I only had seen the first half of episode 10, and I was like, oh, I feel like they might start be, like, listening to each other and hearing, like, you know, she was like, you don't call me pretty. And he was like, I'm never gonna do that. And then she's like, oh, my God. I guess we, like, it's me projecting my Relationship?

[Nick]

Why never?

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I don't know. But then when they were sitting in that hot tub, and it was like him going, yeah, remember when we were dating 16 people? Can we go back to that? And I was like, this man does not want to marry you. And then he's sitting on the couch.

[Heather Shaw]

Couch.

[Natalie]

And goes, yeah, like, listen, there's going to be a day where you're going to try to call me, and my phone's going to be off. I'm not going to respond to you. We're probably not going to talk. And I was just like, girl. And you're sitting here being like, so. But, like, are you 99% sure you want to marry me? Cut this man to the curb between

[Nick]

devonte, Alex, and Chris. Well, Chris. I know why Chris went on the show. I mean, I guess I know probably why Alex went on the show.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But they. Those are three guys who had no business going on this except experiment.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like Devante, he. Like, you're a. You're a. You're a heady guy who overthinks everything, who's super analytical. You were going to get yourself to marriage in six weeks. You know, like, what. What about this process says I could do that?

[Natalie]

No, it was when she literally goes, we're getting married in a week. And he goes, whoa, whoa. It feels different when I hear you say that out loud. Was it different when Nick Lachey said it at the top shot the day before?

[Nick]

Like, oh, you're gonna get married eight weeks. Meanwhile, you haven't met anyone yet, Literally.

[Heather Shaw]

And that.

[Nick]

That was more digestible.

[Natalie]

You weren't like, you know what? Maybe this isn't for me. And he's like, I have to walk down the aisle with you. I tried on, like, sir, were you not a part of this entire experiment?

[Susie]

Right.

[Nick]

And it's like, fine. Love, maybe you don't want to look at. Love isn't blind. But, like, you need. You need an entire day off the grid. You can't. I mean, listen, I'm not. Sometimes as an introverted guy who just needs to take a break, sit in my car after I park it, and just sit there. Yeah, we all have to do that. But, like, entire day.

[Natalie]

You also married somebody who's on your. Dude, if you're on do not Disturb, she's gonna hit it until it goes through.

[Ashley]

Notify anyway. Notify anyway. Notify anyway.

[Nick]

Sometimes, you know, like, I'm in my head, but he's just like the. I'm just never gonna. Why can't you just give her what she needs.

[Natalie]

Your dress is pretty, but I'll never tell you. You are right.

[Nick]

Why can't you.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah. Why did he join the show? I'm confused why devonte wanted to be on the show.

[Ashley]

Making no sense.

[Heather Shaw]

Is there something he's promoting?

[Ashley]

Yeah, he's gonna post on Instagram. Like, he's launching a protein bar company.

[Natalie]

I was gonna say giving brand deals.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It also seems like Alex definitely is following chat. GTP when it comes to, like, what he should do on chat. Whatever. I'm dyslexic.

[Heather Shaw]

Gtp.

[Nick]

He's. He's. He's following, calling chat.

[Ashley]

Jim Tan laundry.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I keep going back to the first couple episodes where he was, like, highlighting his, like, his. His themes. He's like. So, like, I. I don't talk to my dad. I have a soccer career I have to get over. And I don't know what the third thing was, but it was like these three pillars of my

[Ashley]

settle down anytime

[Nick]

soon, and that's who I am. That's in my bio. That's like. Like, that's why people are gonna. It was like, you know, he was talking about his tragic story. You know, I just. Like, you could. And for a guy who we've realized is not. He has no truth. He's just out there winging it as he goes, confidently talking about the three houses he's gonna have.

[Ashley]

Heather, we have a really fun game that I thought we should play with you if you want to play.

[Heather Shaw]

Hell, yeah.

[Susie]

Hell, yeah.

[Ashley]

The game of hot, hot takes or roasts. But you must choose one. We will give a pop culture subject or topics, and you decide. Are you roasting it or delivering your hottest take? Starting with number one, the Death drop. As a guaranteed lip sync save on RuPaul's Drag Race. Are you going to roast it or are you going to live deliver your hottest take?

[Heather Shaw]

My hottest take is that. It's overdone, bitch. It's overdone. And also, I'm worried about the men's dicks, to be honest. During the death drops, I don't know what's going on there, but it's overdone. Now. We need a new. We need them to, you know, do suit, do some WWE moves, maybe. Maybe off of a rope. Now it's not. It's not impressive. Everybody does it. You know what I mean?

[Sierra]

What about a wig reveal?

[Heather Shaw]

Overdone as well. Overdone.

[Natalie]

We need moves there.

[Heather Shaw]

We need something. I don't know what they're going to reveal, but, yeah, that's like Once. Once. I think Roxy did it the first time or somebody did the first time, then it's done. It's like one of those moves where you see it once and you're like, all right, all right. Yeah.

[Ashley]

What? RuPaul win drag race in its current. Current format.

[Heather Shaw]

Yes. Because RuPaul is very Tyra Banks coded. And she will stomp on everybody to get to the top, period. And that's why she's successful.

[Ashley]

Who is first on the Britney Spears apology tour?

[Heather Shaw]

What does that mean? Who is she apologizing? Anybody? Or is anybody apologizing for her?

[Natalie]

Apologizing to her. To her.

[Sierra]

To her.

[Heather Shaw]

Okay, Timberlake number one for his tiny penis. Remember that excerpt in her book?

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Heather Shaw]

That is the funniest line ever. When she said, what did he say? That he's like, oh, yeah. And she's like, is it in? You feel that? And she's like, is it in? I love that she put that in her book. I don't care if she was drunk when she wrote it. It's fair. He needs to apologize, Federline. Any man in her life needs to apologize asap.

[Ashley]

Man who's ever crossed her dad. Yeah. Speaking of Britney Spears. Britney Spears. Instagram's captions, are they misunderstood poetry or cryptic magic messages?

[Heather Shaw]

That's just meth, baby. That's just meth.

[Ashley]

Okay, perfect.

[Heather Shaw]

It can be a poem.

[Ashley]

It could be. You can make anything haiku these days. Housewives. Last one. Housewife storylines. Does every housewife need one every season or is existing enough?

[Heather Shaw]

Clearly they don't. Look at Whitney Rose. What does she do? She has an MLM that she's convinced is not an mlm. I think that's her storyline. I don't know what she's doing. And this one, she was just having fake sex with her husband on camera. No, you don't need a storyline. You can just walk around and pretend to be rich and defraud people. That's enough. Hell, yeah. Just get drunk and yell about friendship. I love it.

[Nick]

Did we watch Beverly Hills last night?

[Heather Shaw]

No, I'm catching up on Beverly Hills. I'm catching up on it, but I don't care about spoilers. I did see some clips. Dorito. You know, she's going. She's going crazy with the spending.

[Nick]

What do you like about this season or not like about Beverly Hills season?

[Heather Shaw]

I love the addition of Amanda because she's psycho. She's a scammer. I mean, let's call it what it is. She sells courses for manifesting. I need to start doing that. What the fuck am I doing? Literally, I'm writing dick jokes. I should be, you know, selling 14 different courses on how to manifest money by taking all of yours. I like the addition of her. I like Dorit's. I'll always like Dorit's accent. You know, it's very. Hilaria Baldwin wasn't. They were both. They're both born in the northeast and speak like Europeans. That's fun, you know, but I got a lot to catch up on with Beverly Hills. But I do like the addition of Amanda, and I miss. I miss Jennifer Tilly.

[Nick]

Are you watching Summerhouse at all?

[Heather Shaw]

No. I need to get into that, but I'm just not convinced. Again, it's very straight for me. Is it something.

[Susie]

You know, it works.

[Heather Shaw]

How would you convince me to watch it? Is it like, okay, I like seeing older. Older women that get drunk and yell about friendship. So how. You know what. What's the Summer House vibe?

[Sierra]

Here is my pitch on Summer House. Summer House is very much like, why gay people should watch Summer House. Summer House has so much tension and longing in that it's basically poor travel lady on fire. Okay. Even though it is between Wes Wilson, who works for Complex, and Sierra, it is basically a queer love story. And if anyone wants to argue with me on that, they can joke. So also, you have Kyle Cook and Amanda. Like, Kyle, you're watching Amanda about to come into her own, regardless of, like, if she. There's. There's just an idea of, like, oh, Amanda could be free now to date a woman. She's probably not going to, but she could, and that keeps you invested. And that's my pitch for Summer House.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Ashley]

You did a great job.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Then you have Kyle, who's blaming his wife for forcing him to the bottle.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Ashley]

Yeah. And is a DJ fun?

[Guest]

Yeah, he.

[Nick]

He became a DJ at first.

[Ashley]

What's.

[Heather Shaw]

Are they just hanging out and partying? Is it like Jersey Shore for millennials?

[Nick]

Like, every week and they go to their gyms, I guess. And party. Party is the kind of. The premise.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, why I started watching it or why I thought it was interesting is because it's like, they're business. The first couple seasons, they're actually, like, business professionals. But then it was like, them, like, unwinding every weekend, driving up to the Hamptons. So it's like something where I'm like, I've heard about this lifestyle for a very long time, didn't know who was partaking in it, and then the fact that they all get, like, obliterated. And like fight and it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's fun. It's interesting.

[Heather Shaw]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Nothing like I'm.

[Ashley]

That.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah, that does sound sound good. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh, thank you.

[Nick]

Love is lying. Who. Who's more dangerous to date an Alex or Chris?

[Natalie]

Honestly, if these are my choices, I'd like to exit celibacy.

[Nick]

Yeah, but like, I'm just saying. But there's a lot of. I don't mean like them specifically, but the guy who talks out of both side of his mouth. Both sides of his mouth has a million different stories. You never really know what the truth

[Natalie]

is or the inflated ego that has nothing to back it up. Like, I just. As I said, my choice choices are terrible.

[Susie]

I think if it's just for dating, more dangerous.

[Natalie]

Wait, it's.

[Susie]

It's Alex and who. What's the guy's name?

[Natalie]

Chris.

[Ashley]

Chris.

[Susie]

I feel like Alex could derail your life if you start to fall for it. I feel like Chris, you know, you

[Ashley]

know what you're getting like, we're all in debt, you know, all of a sudden it's like, sorry, babe, I signed you up.

[Natalie]

So, you know,

[Nick]

I would say the Alex is. Because the Chris is. It doesn't take long to realize, oh, you suck.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

He kind of gives.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

Jen's fiance, Ryan. Ryan. Yes, yes, yes.

[Heather Shaw]

It's very.

[Nick]

And we all, we, you know, many of us, we like to be fixers in relationships. So Alex has the whole setup of like, I have so much potential. And he talks a big game.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And he's handsome enough. And then, you know, he doesn't talk to his dad. So you feel, you know, it's just like, oh, man, he's got this built in like empathy card like you feel for him. And it's just, oh, you know, and he just, he. He lies so confidently and it's like, it'll get you. It'll gaslight the out of you. He is the guy, Is he? The axes of the world is why everyone out there is misusing or overusing the word gaslighting.

[Natalie]

And honestly, to your point, I was like, this poor Ashley, like, she has a steady career, she has a home, and she's about to give all that up to maybe be in Arizona or florid.

[Nick]

No. Yeah.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's like, yeah. And then why. The whole premise of, of. Of of love is blind since they started is being like, we're going to cast people who live in this regional area because we want. If they do get married, like, we want to take out the whole. Like, you gotta move, you gotta move. And then they cast a guy like, I got no home, and the last place I want to be is Cleveland is Ohio. Literally, I will be anywhere else than Ohio. And they're like, yes. And he's got no job, no prospects, and he's excited. Expecting Ashley, who's about to get promoted.

[Natalie]

Yep. To leave her job.

[Nick]

To leave her job.

[Natalie]

Or like, I want to give you enough time to maybe talk to them and see if you can move somewhere else if they'll transition you. But, like, I can't be stuck here. And, like, that's his main priority.

[Susie]

Give her a year.

[Natalie]

Like, let her figure it out. But he's just not that guy.

[Nick]

But he will track her period for.

[Heather Shaw]

Thank God.

[Sierra]

That's terrifying.

[Natalie]

And he knows her McDonald's order.

[Sierra]

That's gross.

[Natalie]

Winning.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah. Chris is just short. You're right.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

It's just what it is.

[Heather Shaw]

It's fine.

[Nick]

Heather, this has been such a blast.

[Heather Shaw]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Nick]

Where can people find you?

[Heather Shaw]

Find me online. Heather Shaw is kidding. On Instagram. Just type in Heather Shaw anywhere, even pornhub.

[Ashley]

I know what I'm doing tonight.

[Guest]

Thank you.

[Heather Shaw]

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.

[Nick]

Thanks a lot. Come back soon.

[Heather Shaw]

I will do. Bye.

[Sierra]

Bye.

[Nick]

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[Natalie]

Fun. So fun. Wait, can I add one thought on on on love is blind please. My friend sent me this video that Michael posted.

[Nick]

I saw that.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh, I haven't seen that of his outfit. And all she said to me was

[Nick]

it was a very serious like get

[Natalie]

ready with me, get ready with me with a button down and very Capri, I guess slacks. But she just goes this in one

[Nick]

bag over the shoulder.

[Natalie]

She said this fit is absolutely shocking. He did not get married. Clearly.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh yeah.

[Ashley]

Cuz it's like Emma would never let

[Natalie]

first of all and like remember I can't remember her name. Chinese disco baby.

[Sierra]

Taylor.

[Natalie]

Taylor. Taylor and grand. Remember his glow up though. The guy that she ended up with. And then it was like we're like, oh, they got married for sure. Like that's why my friend sent that to me. I was like, you know, that's a good point. There's just no way that like Emma trendy gorgeous loves.

[Nick]

She would have texted down.

[Natalie]

Yeah, like this isn't was the.

[Nick]

It was the backpack with one over the shoulder.

[Natalie]

One over the shoulder. If he says no though, like I'm going to be so fucking pissed.

[Sierra]

She's literally amazing.

[Natalie]

I literally. And the fact that like she's like

[Nick]

well I mean we don't know.

[Sierra]

I get good vibes from Emma.

[Nick]

She seems lovely. I just don't know if she's literally a man. I mean we don't Know, but they

[Susie]

are the ones that they disagree on children, right? Yeah, I think that's, I think that it's too early to get married if you have that disagreement. Because I'm like, you can figure that out later and it doesn't have to be right now, but like, you don't.

[Nick]

And that's a good point. It was like, it's just if, if having kids is a non negotiable and one person's like, I just, I don't know, I don't. Like, I'm like, they would just be objectively not smart to get married.

[Susie]

To get married, but you can keep the relationship.

[Natalie]

You know, has anyone in the history of the show, though, just based off of the whole getting to the altar part and somebody saying no, like, has anybody actually gone up there have been like, I would want to marry you someday, but like, I would want to like carry on this relationship and actually carry on.

[Nick]

I think it's kind of. Of been at least tried or teased. I don't remember who, but it's never. It's never worked out.

[Natalie]

That's what I was going to say. It's like, I've never.

[Nick]

Which is interesting for like the fact that this show has had and still has at least some successful marriages.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Nick]

And they have stayed together, which, you know, just the whole premise of the show is insane. Like any. Anyone who's getting married on the show in 30 days. Crazy.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And Clari, it's worked out amazing. But the fact that the middle ground option, which seems reasonable, would think for people who are like, you know what, we built something really great here. I really feel good about it, but I'm sorry, I just, I can't. Yeah, I'm just, I'm too pragmatic. I just. There's just no way.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But I really like you. The fact that like, none of them, none of them worked out is kind of interesting.

[Heather Shaw]

It is.

[Guest]

I feel like most of them, when they end the conversation or end the relationship, it's. The conversation is, I'm not ready right now.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Guest]

But a lot of them have said it, but I don't think.

[Natalie]

Yeah, a lot of them carry on after the fact. It's like when they break.

[Nick]

Well, the only one who really did that to any degree was Raven, and then he cheated on her. We had her on a very explosive Going Deeper episode. Speaking of explosive going Deeper episodes, we have Kenya Hill on this week's episode of Going Deeper, obviously the America's Next Top Model documentary that's been taking the world by Storm on Netflix and everyone's been talking about it, but we have not really heard post documentary from really any of the models battles until now. Kenya is with us to talk about her whole experience on that show. Lots to unpack, lots to talk about. I'm curious what she thinks about some of the fallout of the documentary about, you know, the, the judges and just like everyone involved, I think obviously we know that Tyra has been like a topic of lot of discourse, but I'm curious if she has a lot much to say about some of the other people involved in the production of the show. That is all on Wednesday, so do not miss the that episode. Al. I just want to also just throw. Throw out there. We. We. We're talking a lot about unlikable men on reality tv. I can't vouch for these guys because it's not like I spent a lot of time with them. I saw some time with them. But I do think on the upcoming season of this new hit show Age of attraction, out on March 11 on Netflix, hosted by my wife, Natalie Joy. He's. She's a star.

[Ashley]

And you.

[Heather Shaw]

I didn't know.

[Nick]

I'm there.

[Susie]

I'm there.

[Ashley]

It's.

[Heather Shaw]

I'm there.

[Susie]

I actually love that, actually. That's amazing.

[Nick]

Now Valley really shines. There's some guys you can root for.

[Ashley]

There are some really, sweetheart, you know,

[Nick]

I am not Von Jerome. I don't know if a girlfriend or a wife or a friend is going to come out on the Internet and be like this guy. I am not. But it seems like there are some guys you can root for there. I think there's some real sweet moments.

[Sierra]

There is one guy that I'm really excited to talk about.

[Natalie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Guest]

Susie. Circling back to traders before we fully move on from, from that, how do you feel about Maura? She's gonna get a Birkin.

[Susie]

I know.

[Guest]

So, I mean, there's that.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But also that he's gonna follow through.

[Guest]

He has to. They said in a reunion he has to.

[Susie]

But also I'm like, after taxes, is there gonna be enough for that? I'm like, was it really worth it, Rob?

[Ashley]

Also, I feel like, I feel like 10,000 for a Birkin is like that's

[Natalie]

like base starting and like even like strap. It's like 20,000.

[Nick]

I don't know much about the luxury of. Of. Of bags, but yeah, it's. Isn't it like, like buying a Mercedes and you have to roll down your window.

[Natalie]

Right?

[Susie]

No bells and whistles.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

He's getting the Basic bag.

[Nick]

Like, there's no heated seats.

[Heather Shaw]

Yeah. Yeah, right.

[Nick]

So, like, is the. Is the $10,000 Birkin not even for the Birkin people. Then is.

[Sierra]

Then why are you looking at me?

[Nick]

I'm just. I don't know.

[Guest]

I do be watching the Birkin buyer videos also.

[Natalie]

$10,000 in this economy?

[Guest]

Well, I'm saying it's not.

[Natalie]

She met $10,000 when she first bought her first.

[Guest]

It's not going to be that. And it's going to be resale.

[Natalie]

It's like $20,000. I would say it's a base start for a Birkin, and it just goes astronomically.

[Nick]

Don't you need a in plus, I'm saying, can anyone just like, with a lot of cash.

[Natalie]

So in like, Paris and London stores, you can go in, but from those places, you need an appointment.

[Guest]

If you have a contact at Hermes, they can like, notify you when you. They have in stock, but most of the time, you're buying it resale, which is why it's.

[Natalie]

And if you have. Even if you have an appointment, like, if you have a specific bag that you want that's not in stock, like, they'll call you in and say, we have an availability or we might have on in. In that vein. But then they'll come and they'll show you what they have available. But it's like getting an appointment is like a coveted slot. So it's like you're on a wait list.

[Ashley]

That does not make me want to buy one of your bags. You know, even when I see, like, we'll be in New York and we'll be like, oh, let's like, pop into Gucci. And you walk up and they're like, could you wait outside? Like you don't have any. And I'm like, okay, you're not gonna

[Susie]

catch me in a photo in line.

[Ashley]

Stand out here and wait for what? There's no one in there. Yeah, no one is shopping.

[Natalie]

And to the inverse, that's Bethany Frankel. Remember she made a whole video about.

[Ashley]

Was it Dior?

[Natalie]

Chanel, one of. One of the major fashion houses. But she had a whole thing that, like, her rep or something, like, they wouldn't let her in because she didn't have an appointment. But it's like, you of all people should know that you need an appointment.

[Ashley]

Anyways, do we think Rob's gonna get an appointment? I don't think so.

[Susie]

I don't think so.

[Guest]

But Chanel, by the way, I wish.

[Susie]

You know, okay, Chanel, I do. I just find. I found Traders so unsettling. Which is probably why it was like, a good watch. Because I'm watching it and I'm like. I'm observing things happen, and I'm like, I know realistically, this is a game. It's a game, and I know there's money at the end, and I can't be mad at. The same way, I get annoyed at faithfuls for thinking there's no way they could be a traitor. I'm like, there's no moral compass to being a trader. You get tapped on the shoulder. There's no. You're not a good person or a bad person if you're a trader. You're just, like, tapped on the shoulder. So I have to check myself. But it was really, like. It was really sad. Like, I felt so bad, and I felt really. I was so annoyed at Mara the whole time. And then when it was revealed and I felt bad for her, then I thought back to her eliminating Tara, and then I'm like, okay, well, you knew she wasn't a traitor, so you were just being selfish. You just wanted more money for yourself. So then I don't really feel bad for you.

[Nick]

That's what I find. I'm fascinated by your take in hearing you talk about, like, being a little triggered by Rob.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Through your own, like, dating experiences. But, like, that. That is reality tv. That's like. That's why we love reality tv, because, like, we all. Reality TV is really just a mirror. It is, you know, and the people. I honestly think the people we critique the most on reality TV are either people who remind us of someone who hurt us, screwed us over, or more often, remind us of ourselves. Because it's really easy to identify people's like, you know, like, I think because deep down we know our flaws and things we're insecure. Hear about. And it's like, it's hard to admit that we do the thing, but we can really see it when other people do it.

[Susie]

Well, I think this is gonna be. I don't know if it's controversial or, like, I should keep this to myself, but, like, I actually think I could be a really good manipulator. And so watching Rob manipulate and he says, like, I'm using manipulation tools. Like, I. And he's recognizing when he asked everybody the question, and I'm like, I do feel like I could manipulate people well, but I feel like I would only ever do it for good, not evil, you know? Like, I feel like if I were to get to the end on traders as a trader, I would then be like, I won, but, like, I'm donating it all.

[Nick]

Like, I'm. I can't keep dirty money.

[Ashley]

Dirty money.

[Susie]

Like, that's how I would feel about it, because I would be manipulating people. So I think maybe you're right, and maybe it's both that I see parts of. Not that I'm. I would be that skillful at it. I think I'd be. To feel too guilty.

[Nick]

But, I mean, no one's in any position, obviously, to tell people what they should do with money they want. But it is fascinating, fascinating when we watch these shows, because especially with traders, there is a collection of mostly reality TV stars, and there's a huge spectrum of people in terms of, like, their financial situation.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Some of. Some people in the space are living the high life. They got more money than they know what to do with. They got you money. Other people, it's, you know, they have their jobs. They're 9 to 5, and they're really grateful for some of these opportunities. But, like, sometimes these opportunities that they go on are really expensive, you know, in terms of, like, just going to.

[Susie]

That's so true.

[Nick]

You know, the pressure and the cost, and you have to fly yourself, and then you have to pay. You know, it can get really expensive, and, you know, you can make a lot of money, but you spend a lot of money trying to make a lot of money, and then just. You throw them all into a world where, like, there's usually one winner. You have the option to split it. But, like, do you want to split it?

[Susie]

I know.

[Nick]

And like, to Rob's point, like, who would share $100,000 with someone they met three weeks ago ago? Some people in that castle would, because they're like, you know what? They're going to think, I don't really need this money. But there is something to be said about someone going on the show who is financially secure, who. $100,000 might not feel like all that money in the world and strategically be like, you know, this could be really good for my brand.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know.

[Susie]

Yeah. And I think. I think Rob is probably fine, like, with all of his brand deals, with how likable he was. I think he's probably fine financially to have split it. But I also think then it's like, okay, well, then what's. What would his game have been if he just played a worse game? Like, what. That wouldn't have been fun to watch if he just, like, threw it. You know what I mean? Like, he. He did exactly what he was supposed to Do. So I'm like, I can't fault him. That's what I think.

[Natalie]

It's like, that's where I'm like, I get where I'm like, when we had MJ Mercedes on last week and it was just like, what happened to her was fucked up. Like, at the end of the day, like, yes, it's a game, but then it's like, there's personal moves that are made that it's like, yeah, like, her feelings are hurt and she's. She's entitled to that. However, I'm like, there's two different types of people who play games. And I can say that I've been both, but I'm like, there's people that realize that it's just a game. At the end of the day, there has to be a winner and there has to be losers. There's other people who take everything personal because they're competitive and because they want it so badly. So therefore it's like, what other people's moves that are just smart gameplay. It's like, no, you're. You're cutting me at my knees.

[Susie]

You.

[Natalie]

You literally, like stabbed me in the back. And it's like, that's the name of the game.

[Ashley]

We're playing Mafia.

[Nick]

But think about it. Think about how many like, like friendships or family fallouts have come from game night.

[Natalie]

Oh, when I was 12, my best friend and I. My grandma was house sitting. My grandma's my favorite person in the whole world. And like, it was two days straight of us, like, being like, up each other's asses that I was just like, I was sick of her. And then we decided to play Monopoly. This is why I literally have to, like, run through, is it worth it for me to play Monopoly? I take that shit seriously. Especially if I start running out of money and then you start asking me dumbass questions like, you want to sell me that property? Go fuck yourself. So I get really defensive. One time I swung at her.

[Nick]

There was.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

It was the one and only time. No, no, but it was like, literally, like I was 12 years old and I got so mad and my grandma was literally like, are you kidding?

[Guest]

And you made contact?

[Natalie]

No, but I like, swung at her. I was like, oh, you, like. And she. My grandma was like, are you serious right now? And I was like, I'm gonna. I gotta.

[Sierra]

One time I was. I was playing secret Hitler with some friends like a while ago, and. And one of, like, I was playing with and had partnered and allied myself with one of my girls. And I Trusted her. I was like. And she's so. She's such a sweet, like, nice, kind person. She's so good at games. Like, loves games. So I was like, okay, she's gonna be my ally, right? She's gonna help me through this game because rules confuse me, and I need, like, 30 minutes before I understand what's going on. She was. And she. She had me wrapped around her little finger. And to this day. Day, like, I love her.

[Natalie]

You were the more like you think.

[Sierra]

But I still. Every time we play a game together, I'm like, no.

[Natalie]

Can't be trusted.

[Sierra]

Can't be trusted.

[Nick]

One time I was playing Monopoly with my girlfriend at the time, and we were with her family, and I did not represent myself very well. I got ganged up on and I did not like it.

[Natalie]

Monopoly brings out the worst.

[Heather Shaw]

But they were like.

[Nick]

They were all strategizing against me, and it felt real petty. And I. And. And we broke. We broke up.

[Sierra]

You broke up over Monopoly?

[Nick]

Basically. I. It was. Honestly, when I look back on my actions behaving that way, you're like, this

[Natalie]

union would not work out.

[Nick]

All right, well, let's get into some Beverly Hills.

[Ashley]

Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, we do have a rapid recap. Dorit is having an okay time co parenting with PK by separating her hatred towards him to off camera screams. Kyle Richards is in her Zara era. Rachel Zoe thinks it's such a vibe. Huge for chic aunts and young professionals learning how to dress like an adult.

[Sierra]

Everywhere.

[Ashley]

Dorit's card gets declined on a $4,500 charge. There was a fraud alert. It's okay though. She called the bank and she's in the clear. Still rich, still safe. Kyle gently wonders if Dorit might be manic or having an OCD moment. Of course, from a genuine concern. Welcome back, Lisa Rinna.

[Sierra]

Welcome back.

[Ashley]

Munchausen Bose is like diva. You're trying to convince Dorit you're not team pk. This is not helping. Sutton and Jennifer Tilly talk about how Sutton's ex husband finally got their marriage and old so he could marry her friend. Nothing bonds women like the shared trashing of idiot man. Rachel Zoe hosts a family reunion, plus Kyle and Dorit, who is late. Kyle reveals that a guy asked her to leave her family to be in a plain shower with him. She said no. Rachel Zo would have tempted if he was hot.

[Natalie]

Dorit, great timing that Rachel Zoe and everybody had left the store once. That card got declined because Yeah, I was sweating for her for a second.

[Ashley]

And you're like, oh, it's just. It's because I'm traveling and it's because I didn't tell the bank. And. And it's. And it's just because it's a different. I'm in a. You're like explaining to the.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

You're like, I just.

[Susie]

Honestly, we'll never know.

[Nick]

And then your first thought is like, let me pull out my other card. Cuz you're like. And they're like, so, yeah, you're really bad with money.

[Guest]

I feel like her card.

[Nick]

Is that going to get maxed out too?

[Guest]

I feel like her card just actually declined. Like, I feel like that always happens when you're traveling.

[Natalie]

No, no, no, it.

[Guest]

It's a bit. Yeah, I'm like, I don't think it's

[Sierra]

a really big charge when you're out of.

[Natalie]

It's like when Monica's card declined in Bermuda. In Bermuda. Like, you know what I mean? And she's like, okay, guys, like what? Like, you know what I mean? But it's like there's just like this feeling where it's like, no matter if it's a fraudulent alert, no matter what it could be, there's also the thought in your head that like, great, did I have like some like somebody's wipe out my account. But I have to give dirty credit too, that I was like, listen, if I was in a store and everything that I tried on, Rachel Zo said, iconic, amazing. And then was like, and you need this hot too. I'd be like, okay, yes, I do.

[Ashley]

It's literally like when Heather Duro told me about the diamond ring and I was like, anything that you say, I'm in.

[Natalie]

Literally. Doritus got styled by Rachel Zo for free. Like, yes, I'm. Well, you know, not for free, but you know what I mean, $4,500. Her part of the labor was free, but like, she still had to pay for it. I would do the same thing.

[Nick]

I do want to give a shout out to my wife. We had to get some curtains, which,

[Natalie]

first of all, curtains, they're hard to find, expensive. They're luxury.

[Ashley]

You need like, if you like pretty tall windows, you need like custom curtains. You're like, this is a weird length. Like, I can't find this anywhere.

[Guest]

Yeah, I was gonna say anytime you venture out of like the main size that I. Everybody has, they're not going to find it insane.

[Nick]

Anyway, the initial estimate was high and she cut it down to a third wow.

[Natalie]

Negotiation.

[Nick]

She made some very practical decisions, which

[Ashley]

I really said I could Amazon. I appreciated the other ones, and I did have them send out their measurement expert guide to measure.

[Susie]

So that.

[Ashley]

And then I. Before he left, I was like, and

[Natalie]

what were the length of that?

[Ashley]

Yeah, like 128. And I was like, perfect. Thank you, Amazon. 128 inch blackout.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Thank you for the way to do service.

[Nick]

But, you know, it was a turn on.

[Susie]

That's awesome.

[Natalie]

You know, it was a turn on for me this episode. Jennifer Tilly's table manners with the waiter. She said, what's your name?

[Guest]

Multiple times.

[Natalie]

I forgot it. And she was like, I'm sorry, what's her name again?

[Guest]

Yeah, she said, I'm Jennifer. Nice to meet you.

[Natalie]

I was just like, she's an icon. I'm sorry. Like, that outfit. And I'm just. It's a big thing for me that I was just like, somebody like, Jennifer Tilly Rose. Like, I think he knows you're. He was trying to be like, yeah, I know. Nice to meet you, Jen.

[Heather Shaw]

Do you know.

[Sierra]

Do you know what I'll say? Speaking of turn ons, I think one of the hottest things a person can do is just to be, like, so kind in, like, a service situation like that. You know what I mean? Like, when they're so personable to people, it's just like, I'm like, you're the hottest person I've ever met.

[Ashley]

Like, watching your partner be charming to other people that you're like, obviously, this is like, no threat. Like, you're not, like, jealous. You know, it's just like watching them be charming, you're like, wow, you just are amazing.

[Susie]

A good one.

[Sierra]

You know what I mean?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

You are JFK Jr.

[Natalie]

I can't wait. Was Amanda in this episode?

[Ashley]

No.

[Heather Shaw]

Right.

[Natalie]

But I will say, I think on Watch what Happens live, Amanda did make a point that I kind of laughed at and was like, all right, two points. Amanda, when she. She got asked during a game, like, why she feels the need to, like, talk about late, or does she regret that she's, like, so big on, like, discussing, like, labels or being like, oh, my God, I'm gonna go put my water in my Chanel backpack. And she was like, I'm on a show that everyone does it. And it's so true that for maybe just because she's new, that it's like, a little bit jarring the way that Amanda does it. But, like, she pointed out that, like, Jennifer Tilly, literally, like, yes, this is versace. This is $10,000 ring. Dorit. Head to toe. Like, I'm just like. All of these women do talk about, like, their wealth or, like, things that they bought or Kathy Hilton and her staff and whomever else. And it's just like, when. But when. Or like, my tequila line, whatever it is. But it's like, when Amanda does it, all of a sudden we're all like, nobody on Beverly Hills is this gauche.

[Sierra]

Here's the thing is when Amanda is doing it, Amanda's doing it to prove to the other women. Pick up on that. And when I can't say this about everyone else on Beverly Hills, but when someone like Jennifer Tilly is doing it, she's just doing it. To very humble brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff coded when they do it. But when Amanda does it, it's like she's like, see, I'm one of you.

[Ashley]

And it's also on watch what happens when she was like. I thought it was just, like, really funny. The juxtaposition of, like, putting sunscreen in your Chanel backpack.

[Susie]

And I was like, what?

[Ashley]

We must have different humor. What about that? I don't understand.

[Natalie]

Something tells me that the sunscreen you're putting in your Chanel backpack ain't banana boat.

[Nick]

Is there fancy sunscreen so much?

[Natalie]

Are you kidding?

[Ashley]

Mark up.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Literally.

[Ashley]

Are you putting your Chanel sunscreen into your Chanel backpack?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Anyways, I do want to say I do really appreciate Erica Jane in this episode. I don't think we've seen her that vulnerable in so long. And she was saying things that I even was like. Like, that resonates with me and, like, my experiences in the life. Like. And I think there was a specific line where her therapist said, like, but this isn't the worst or something.

[Natalie]

Like, it didn't happen to you. She said the worst happened to Tom.

[Guest]

Right. Like, you're living a bad situation, but, like, there is a silver lining in this mental process, I guess.

[Natalie]

And I'm gonna give her therapist a shout out, too, because I'm like, from all of the fake TV therapists that I have seen on this show. Again, terrible advice.

[Nick]

This seemed like solid advice. They weren't just pushing a scene forward 100%.

[Natalie]

She was literally like, listen, since we

[Nick]

stopped a season of Beverly Hills in

[Natalie]

therapy, so tell me again why you married your husband? Like, no. She was literally just like, yeah, it

[Guest]

was a real session is what it looked like. Yeah.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

It felt like she wanted her therapist there to have, like, support sharing her story on Beverly Hills.

[Susie]

To me, I have a question as a new viewer. She was left with $10 million in fees and things like that. Like, does she have the money to pay this, or is she left broke?

[Heather Shaw]

Do we.

[Nick]

I think she's in a tough situation, for sure. I mean, I. I don't know any of the details.

[Susie]

Details.

[Nick]

But when you're married to someone who, well, either makes criminal activities or just bad financial decisions, you're. You're stuck with that, you know, often. And. And you. If they can't collect it from that person, then they're gonna. They're gonna go after you.

[Natalie]

Yeah, but they're not gonna, like, claim like, 10 million from her, like. Like, by this date or she's in jail. Like, they're probably gonna have some sort of, like, rollout.

[Nick]

She said it. Was it last episode or the episode before that. They're the goal. I think the people going against her, I don't know who would, you know, but, like, it's for her to file bankruptcy.

[Guest]

She said that in this episode?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Guest]

There's a lot of nuances with her situation because the common through line with all the cases is that Erica's money is a result of Tom's money. And since Tom's estate doesn't have money anymore, like, they're trying to get it through her again.

[Nick]

The only problem, we say this almost every week is that I don't know what Erica makes on Beverly Hills, but I bet it's a decent amount. She's been around for a while. She's a. An icon of an iconic franchise.

[Guest]

I mean, Andy said it on Reunion, like, three years ago, where he's like, I've seen your paychecks. But, like, I think everybody's coming for her, and it's like, millions of millions of dollars. So it's overwhelming.

[Natalie]

And that's where I was like, listen, do I think that she handled things poorly throughout? Like, sure. But at the same time, like, these things, like, weren't decisions that she made that now she's forced to have an opinion on, let alone to have, like, legal opinion, let alone know that she's at risk of losing anything, let alone everything.

[Nick]

No, that is true. I mean, we. She had to process that in her

[Natalie]

own way, because what the fuck?

[Guest]

She was in survival. And I think we saw, like, the product of that.

[Ashley]

Yeah, right.

[Natalie]

And I think, like, now she's able to, like, be settled with it and, like, live in it and realize, like, okay, like, this isn't ending anytime soon. But I'm like. I think back then it was More like denial or, like, I didn't do anything wrong, so why do I have to answer for. And it's like, not now. We're just seeing, like, her coming into her own being. Like, okay, like, this is what I have. I'm finally starting to heal. And yet there's. It's never ending because Tom's in jail, so it's. She's now left to pick up all of the pieces. Or people feel like they're entitled to money from her, regardless of, like, what she's done on her own.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, so it's like. And that's the thing. It's like, they're not going to, like, not touch the money she got from Broadway, from performing, from being on the show. Like, it's all up in the air for her.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Can I be honest? I think Erica's storyline this season is the only one I'm genuinely actively interested in.

[Natalie]

Invested in.

[Sierra]

Invested in.

[Nick]

Well, it's. It seems one of the most authentic ones.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And I think that's what. That's something that Beverly Hills. The nature of Beverly Hills is inauthenticity. Right. I mean, that's the whole thing of, like, battling that and battling actual relationships with each other versus the projected ones that you have to have because of the, like, town that you're living in.

[Ashley]

Right.

[Sierra]

So I think having Erica just have this thing happen to her that isn't this moment more like we're kind of past whether she was a victim or not or if it was her fault. Right now what we're watching is just the active reality of what happens after something like that happens to you. And I think it's so. I'm really glad she's, like, being so open and vulnerable about it, because you can kind of just see all of the different ways that she's processing it

[Natalie]

when you're, like, rooting for her.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, you know, you want her to come out on the other side.

[Sierra]

I think she's at a point where. Where she's just, like, being honest.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And you don't see that from almost anyone else on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills currently. So.

[Natalie]

Yeah. She just, like, wants to move on with her life. She's got a boyfriend, finally in a healthy relationship, she got her home together, and then it's just like, oh, and great.

[Nick]

Speaking of yuckiness, did you see how Aaron was awarded.

[Susie]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Five grand or something.

[Ashley]

Right.

[Nick]

Five dollars.

[Ashley]

And his attorney fees.

[Nick]

No, it's like, how is that how you do. Is that possible?

[Natalie]

That's I don't understand either, because didn't he technically, like, violate his restraining order and got, like, arrested? And then we're still like, you know what? We'll, we'll, we'll cut you some change here. I don't understand.

[Nick]

Justice for Denise.

[Natalie]

Justice for Denise.

[Guest]

All right.

[Nick]

Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest Heather Shaw for joining us. Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive episode of Going Deeper. Kenya Hill is with us to talk about her experience on the show America's Next Top Model. Model. She was a big part of the Netflix documentary and she is one of the few models, if not the only model, who has chosen to speak out and, and talk about her experiences in more detail. And that is tomorrow on a Going Deeper episode you are not going to want to miss. We have another great episode of Reality Recap lined up for you on Thursday as well. Do not forget to tune in. Have a great week, everybody. Bye. Hey, guys, if you love what you listen to, make sure you hit that subscribe button below. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.