E1091 - Age Of Attraction with Theresa, Tyler Cameron, Love Is Blind Finale & RHOBH

Summary

The Viall Files, Episode 1091: Age Of Attraction with Theresa, Tyler Cameron, Love Is Blind Finale & RHOBH

Release Date: March 10, 2026
Host: Nick Viall (with Natalie Joy & The Household)
Special Guests: Theresa (Age of Attraction), Tyler Cameron
Main Topics: "Age of Attraction" on Netflix, Reality TV casting and representation, Love Is Blind Finale recap, Reality TV influencer culture, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills drama

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Overview

This episode is a dynamic Reality Recap edition diving into the launch of the upcoming Netflix series "Age of Attraction," featuring cast member Theresa. Hosts give behind-the-scenes insights into the show's unique approach to dating across ages, offer a lively breakdown of the Love Is Blind Season 10 finale, and dissect recent RHOBH storylines, all with humor and candor. Reality TV's evolving landscape—casting, influencer fame, representation, and shifting audience expectations—gets a thorough, insightful (often hilarious) examination.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Introducing "Age of Attraction" (01:26–05:56)

• Premise: A new dating show featuring 40 singles, aged 22 to 60, with a focus on authentic connection—age is initially hidden.
• Diversity: Core cast is largely in their 30s and 40s, representing a broader range of life experience than typical dating shows.
• Intentions: Hosts were impressed that, being the first season, contestants genuinely seemed enthusiastic and uninterested in just social media fame.
• Key Quote:
  • Nick Viall (02:55): "Age of Attraction is the most realistic social experiment when it comes to love and dating on TV."
• Unique Rule: On arrival, contestants can’t mention their ages—a realistic reflection of how age often clouds initial perceptions in real-world dating.

Memorable Moment

• Cooking Terms Explored:
  A hilarious unpacking of Gen Z slang "chopped" in context of reality TV men, with the group riffing on the "fugliest, nastiest" definitions.
  • Sierra (07:20): “Regina George wrote that one herself.”
  • Justin (07:20): “Chef Urban Dictionary: the fugliest, nastiest, most disgusting of them all.”

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2. Men on Dating Shows: Chopped, Flawed, or Entertaining? (08:43–12:40)

• Cosmo Article Recap: Discussion about recent criticism of men on Love Is Blind—dubbed “chopped.”
• Industry Critique:
  • Men often use reality shows for career opportunities, not relationships.
  • Shows oversimplify cast members to archetypes; editing amplifies minor flaws into “villain” personas.
• Fairness in Representation:
  • Sierra (11:46): “I do feel like there is this idea that the only men that are good on reality TV are the ones that treat women poorly...but I don’t think that’s true. There are men who don’t treat women poorly, that are compelling.”

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3. Spotlight Interview: Theresa of "Age of Attraction" (18:42–40:05)

On Joining the Show

• Motivations:
  • Experienced in dating both younger and older men; looking for energy, compatibility, and passion often lacking with age-peers.
  • Life stage: kids grown, seeking a genuine partner for herself.
• Normalization vs. Fetishization:
  • Societal double standard exists for older women dating younger men. It’s still seen as “fetishized” (with some on-air struggles pronouncing the word!) rather than normalized, despite longstanding acceptance of older men-younger women relationships.
    • Teresa (25:12): “Why shouldn't it [women dating younger men] follow through into the world of dating? If you're happy...what could be wrong, period?”
• Dating App Dilemmas:
  • Safety and authenticity are big concerns—dating apps lack true vetting and can feel risky or disingenuous.
    • Teresa (27:12): “There’s really not a lot of vetting...these dating apps, you just don’t know. This person could be wanting to just hook up, or wanting to hurt you.”
  • Reality shows, for all their flaws, create safe connection spaces.

Theresa’s Background & Fashion Talk

• Career: Longtime fashion editor, model, yoga instructor, industry veteran (worked with Calvin Klein, Carolyn Bessette, John Varvatos).
  • Teresa (29:12): “God knows where I find the time, but I do it.”
• Fashion Philosophy: Classic, quality over quantity; capsule wardrobe fan.
  • Kept Calvin Klein pieces from the ’90s; daughter borrows them.
  • Amanda (32:47): “She’s gonna do whatever. She knows what she’s doing.”
• “Top 5 Reasons to Date a Younger Guy”:
  • Vitality, appearance, interests, a dynamic social life, novelty, and challenge.
    • Teresa (34:37): “Vitality...better looking, interests, social life, get out of your comfort zone.”

Travel & Future Plans

• NYC, LA, Paris, London—open to moving now that kids are grown.
  • Amanda (36:28): “You’re fascinating.”
  • Sierra (36:31): “You’re already my favorite.”

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4. Love Is Blind S10 Finale & Influencer Culture (56:03–74:35)

• Finale Observations:
  • Healthiest relationships (Vic & Christine) sometimes get the least airtime—possibly to “protect” them from drama or due to straightforward plotlines.
  • Drama magnets (Alex, Chris) get “platformed" even when viewers prefer authenticity.
• Influencer Bubble Popped?
  • Growing sense that Love Is Blind no longer generates instant influencer fame as earlier seasons did.
    • Nick (57:12): “Not be really get like 40,000 followers, 18,000 followers...the pages become like...they’re doing skits, and it’s just like the show hasn’t even ended.”
  • Audiences now reward authenticity; “earning a follow” is harder.

Notable Quotes

• Amanda (58:18): “It’s not the age of followers anymore. It’s the age of likes...people are not thinking of following people.”

Key Moments Recapped

• Healthy couples less highlighted; “platforming” problematic men discussed.
• Alex’s chaotic job history, Ashley’s dramatic wedding speech, and icy post-finale relationships are all roasted.

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5. Guest Segment: Tyler Cameron & The Bachelor Mansion Takeover (79:01–94:20)

• New Show: Bachelor Mansion Takeover (HGTV/HBO Max) — Tyler hosts, with Taisha and guest judges.
• Concept:
  • Past contestants redesign iconic rooms in teams, with drama, betrayals, and creative clashes.
  • $100,000 prize at stake.
  • Tyler (81:39): “It has the bachelor drama...people want to get their opinion across.”
• Personal Updates:
  • Tyler & Tate’s relationship prompted “measurable” life growth and ambition.
  • Tyler (88:31): “She’s changed my life in more ways than I even acknowledge...I’m much more hungry, want to make bigger things happen.”

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6. Reality News & RHOBH Recap (94:20–End)

Brad Goreski vs. Rachel Zoe: The Assistant Feud

• Brad in the comments!—Responds to Rachel Zoe’s remarks about “betrayal by assistants.”
• Sierra (98:24): “You can work with multiple people...best part is, over the years, Brad’s door is always open if Zoe wants to bury the hatchet.”

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Breakdown

• Amanda’s $350K wedding with helicopters and horses lampooned for being “extra.”
  • Nick (105:28): “It seems like so much extra.”
• Others question logistics—twin beds, who’s rooming with whom, scenes staged for drama.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Normalizing Older Women Dating Younger Men:
  • Teresa (25:12): “Why shouldn’t it follow through into the world of dating?...if you have commonalities and you’re happy...what could be wrong, period?”
• On Love Is Blind Contestant “Chopping”:
  • Sierra (07:17): “The fugliest, nastiest, disgusting of them all is what Urban Dictionary says.”
• On Influencer Culture Shift:
  • Amanda (58:18): “You really have to earn a follow now...it’s reactive, to how they handle themselves.”
• On Personal Growth in Relationships:
  • Tyler Cameron (88:31): “She’s changed my life in more ways than I even acknowledge or think about...I was just floating in the entertainment world.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Age of Attraction Series Intro: 01:26–05:56
• Reality TV Men & “Chopped”: 06:14–13:18
• Theresa Interview ("Age of Attraction"): 18:42–40:05
• Love Is Blind Finale Recap: 56:03–74:35
• Tyler Cameron Interview / Bachelor Mansion: 79:01–94:20
• RHOBH Discussion / Rachel Zoe Feud: 94:22–98:41

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Episode Vibes

• Language & Tone: Chatty, self-aware, with playful shade and unfiltered reality TV analysis. Hosts and guests riff on each other’s takes, mix personal insights (“I want to be like her!”) with pop culture commentary, all while keeping a light, welcoming banter.
• Approach: Critical but affectionate toward reality TV; emphasizes the importance of authentic representation, new approaches to love/dating on-screen, and not taking pop culture too seriously.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must-listen if you’re interested in how reality TV is evolving to reflect real-world diversity, want to hear honest talk about dating and age gaps, or love inside scoops on the latest reality show drama and cast feuds. The interviews and segments are relatable whether or not you’ve seen the shows; the hosts’ chemistry and humor drive home why The Viall Files is a pop culture favorite.

Transcript

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[Sierra]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VI Files Reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nate, joined by the new and very talented sexy host of the new hit show coming out tomorrow on Netflix. Age of Attraction. Natalie Joy is with us.

[Natalie]

I'll take that intro.

[Nick]

It is age.

[Natalie]

Roll it off the tongue.

[Nick]

It is age of attraction. Eve.

[Natalie]

The eve of age of attraction.

[Justin]

Ms. Host, Natalie, can you give me, like, a host line? Like, give me your host voice and just say something about the moment here.

[Natalie]

Or you can leave here the same way you entered it.

[Tyler Cameron]

Alone.

[Sierra]

Oh, period.

[Natalie]

Period alone, you said.

[Nick]

Or.

[Justin]

So I'm gonna leave together.

[Amanda]

How excited are you?

[Natalie]

So excited, guys.

[Nick]

I. I'm excited. I'm excited for y', all, okay? Because this is a really fantastic show. I. We. We just finished it over the weekend. I've been optimistic. You know, obviously we're, you know, you want it to be good when we filmed it. We're like, this thing has some potential. I think we got something here. But you never are sure how they're going to put it together. It's incredible. It's awesome.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If you're someone who feels unrepresented and dating shows on tv, on reality tv, love competition shows. This is not a competition show. I would argue that Age of Attraction is the most realistic social experiment when it comes to love and dating on TV.

[Amanda]

What makes it different?

[Nick]

Well, one again with the cast. I mean, it's 40 singles, half men, half women, again from 60 to 22. And a big chunk of those people are in your 30s and 40s. That's, I think, makes up the core of this group. And I think there's a lot of people out there watching these shows. You know, typical. You know, your bachelor shows, even Love is Blind, you're typically focusing on people in their mid to late 20s, sometimes 30s. It also has a lot of people with a lot of lived experiences, a lot of people who know what heartbreak feels like, who have been in different types of relationships. And also, I think this is a very likable cast, including, dare I say, the man.

[Natalie]

The Man.

[Amanda]

I haven't seen it. Does it exist?

[Nick]

Would you agree, Mary?

[Sierra]

I would agree. I think a lot of these guys in it are very charming and seem to have really good hearts.

[Nick]

Yeah, listen, we spent a decent amount of time with these people. We can't say we know them, we never dated them.

[Sierra]

Never. Yeah.

[Nick]

And to say that there are likable characters does not in any way stop it from having the drama you desire on these great television shows. Because I think what. What carries this show is that it. It really covers a lot of complicated and interesting relationship topics and discussions. You know, for the people who are exploring these connections they're making without initially knowing each other's ages and then obviously living together and things like that, it gets into the weeds. So we are actually having some interesting dialogue and discussions about relationships and love and dating. Obviously, we, again, we watch reality tv. It's really a mirror to look at ourselves in an easier lens and kind of critique our choices in love and dating. And I think sometimes the way we get so triggered is because, like, yeah, we might be reminded by someone, but again, not like an extra real. And again, you. You know, I'm sure people watching it, you might like other characters more than others. You. You. I'm. We're not going to say you're gonna love everyone here on the show, but I think overall, it genuinely. It's a. Seems to be a respectful group, and it seems to be people who, you know, are. Are Just fairly normal, but also with the them being normal, still bring in interesting conversations because, like, finding love is hard and dating someone in 2026 is difficult. And, like, now more than ever, we have this desire to make connections. That's what makes a show what it is. It's just. It's a group of 40 people who truly want to, like, they want to meet someone.

[Amanda]

That was going to be my question, because I was going to ask, like, do you feel like everyone's there, like, genuinely looking for love? Because I feel like a lot of these shows, you see the people come on and you're like, yeah, listen, it's.

[Nick]

It's its first season, and I think any first season has a benefit of, like, not having the proof of making anyone famous. So, you know, there is that, and we had the benefit of that. I said the first day of filming, I was really, you know, taken back by the group and their. What felt like genuine enthusiasm to meet people. Because all, you know, the first show, it basically, it's a. So it's. The show starts as a mixer. It's just like, all right, here's a bunch of singles. Go meet. There's very. There's only one rule you. You can't initially talk about your age.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Nick]

That is. That's it. And that's another thing. I find it to be very realistic.

[Sierra]

I wonder, Nick and Natalie, as. As hosts of Age of Attraction, if you have seen this Cosmo post from Instagram that was saying, have men on dating shows always been this chopped?

[Natalie]

First of all, what. Gen Z wrote this headline. I don't even know what.

[Nick]

Chopped.

[Sierra]

Chopped. Okay, so chopped is kind of like, you know, like, chopped could be busted. Chopped could be. Is basically like, you're in your flop era. Chop it. You know, really?

[Natalie]

No, this is helping.

[Sierra]

Maybe even cook.

[Natalie]

We're getting there. A lot of any. Just like, kitchen term, by the way,

[Justin]

chopped isn't just Gen Z. That's like cut raw on the Internet.

[Amanda]

Raw vegetable.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Chopped is basically like. Yeah, you're not finely sliced.

[Justin]

You know what I mean?

[Sierra]

You're a little chopped. You're wrapped around the edges.

[Natalie]

Okay, for sure.

[Teresa]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's ringing a bell now.

[Sierra]

Thank you for bringing that up. It's a blunt cooking utensil versus, like,

[Justin]

Chef Urban Dictionary, the fugliest, nastiest, most disgusting of them all. So if you want the. The rude definition.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Y' all know when you feel chopped,

[Natalie]

the fugliest, nastiest, disgusting of them all

[Justin]

is what Urban Dictionary says.

[Amanda]

Regina George wrote that one herself. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Anyway, so basically Cosmo, whatever Gen Z you're at, Cosmo was on the payroll that day. Was wondering, have men on dating shows always been this chop? They said if this season of Love is Blind taught us anything, it's that one thing straight men have is audacity. From weight shaming to weird fascinations with virginity, season 10 of Love is Mine has truly taken the cake for gathering some of the most ineligible bachelors together in one place. Although every season has their bad apples, the ways in which most of the women on the Ohio based season were terrorized by these guys seems incomparable to previous seasons. What's arguable that men on reality TV have always been chopped? It seems many of us are starting to wake up to the fact that there are simply too many diabolical guys taking over our screens right now. Moral of the story, if they really want to prove love is in fact blind, we're going to need these casting departments to get it together because what happened this season should not be repeated ever.

[Nick]

Damn.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Amanda]

They really felt passionately.

[Sierra]

Certainly an opinion piece.

[Natalie]

It's definitely true. I mean like you think like, like Jax Taylor on television. I feel like, like that that's he years ago is who we just have like multiples of Alex today and it's

[Amanda]

like somebody fed him after midnight and

[Sierra]

he just multiplied to that point.

[Nick]

That article, it's just like these are, these seem to be deeply flawed men on this season of Love is Blind.

[Amanda]

I also think it's intention too where I'm like, I think like for example, Alex, ex soccer player, like would have killed it on like a squid games live action, you know what I mean? Like, I also think that these guys, so for example, they had the Vanderpump Rules reunion. Chris, who we've saw in Perfect Match, his relationship didn't work out in the season and they were talking about him being on that reality show and he was like, you know, I was never really knew what I wanted to do with my life. And then I like kind of like put out the application or whatever and then came back. But he like knew he wasn't going for love. He was hoping for an opportunity. So that's where I'm like, I think we're getting a lot of men who are looking for opportunities. But like you're using a platform that's supposed to be about falling in love, right? And then not understanding why you not wanting to fall in love, why we don't like you.

[Natalie]

Or they're like, I'm using this to like learn Something new about myself and, like, find out if I could get past this one thing. And it's like, well, let's not use

[Amanda]

a woman and her child to figure that out.

[Natalie]

It is like marriage at the end. So maybe there's a different route we could take or you could possibly figure out if you could get over these hills.

[Amanda]

That's what I said. I'm like, that's why I want to see people who genuinely want to go on these shows and, like, submit to these shows because they want to fall in love or they want to meet somebody. Maybe not marriage, but, like, hopefully meet somebody to lead to marriage. But, like, if I'm getting a bunch of people who are looking for an opportunity because they don't know what else they want to do with their lives, and, like, then this is why we get these frustrated seasons, these frustrating seasons. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

And part of it, obviously, is the shows and how they want to edit it. You know, like, you look at a bachelor show, I mean, they. They oversimplify every character. Right? So there's a lot of people who go on there. And, you know, I was the guy who interrupted, and it's like, you know, there's more to me than just that. You know, there's a little bit of.

[Amanda]

But you were so good at it.

[Justin]

I also think, Nick, I was gonna say that reality TV is so good at using music to compel the storyline and, like, going back to, like, the man child that was used last season of Love is Blind. I just think there's so much content of, like, music exposing men that act this way that when they get that clip, when these men give them this content, they're like, boom, man child blows up on social media.

[Nick]

Well, there is that, but I think, again, we've discussed this at great length when we're talking about our favorite Bravo shows. You know, we talked about why we love the Valley Persian style because it's like, oh, they have, like, there's some, like, solid dudes here where, like, on Bachelor's one example of, like, it's probably a big of a leap to, like, be able to, like, know these guys characters from watching the show. It's, like, pretty low stakes stuff. You know, people are made to look like a villain because of, like, nothing stuff. But then you do have guys who are calling their partners a fucking bitch, you know, and throwing drinks in their faces. And then the. You know, it's just like. And it only looks like these are the type of men that are out there.

[Amanda]

I mean, to be fair, it's Been going on for a long time. Not even just on dating shows.

[Nick]

Well, just like reality in general.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Dax Taylor, Tom.

[Justin]

Tom Schwartz.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Even the nice ones.

[Sierra]

I mean, all of them thing. Because I do feel like there is this idea that the only men that are good on reality TV are the ones that treat women poorly. And I just. I don't think that's true. I think there's so many. They're like men on reality TV that don't treat women poorly, that are compelling.

[Amanda]

To always say that with the Valley person style, this would be, you know,

[Nick]

Age of Attraction will be a good litmus test for. Do you guys really want to watch relatively normal men who have. Who bring or.

[Amanda]

And women have normal flaws and aren't

[Natalie]

perfect and make mistakes and say the

[Nick]

wrong thing, but they have, like, they bring something to the table. They. They seem to have redeeming qualities. You know, there's something to root for. We do have a great episode lined up for you today. To keep the Age of Attraction theme going. We have one of its many stars. Teresa is with us. You have seen Teresa on the original CL, who looks like she may be dabbling in an age difference relationship. And obviously a big part of this show that focuses on age differences is the question, you know, or the double standard about older women dating younger men. Which I think will be very interesting and exciting for a lot of people to watch because again, that's never seemed to be represented on tv. Theresa is with us to talk about her experience on the show and what we can come to expect from watching it. I just wanted to sit down with Teresa and talk about, like, you know, the double standards out there and what has her dating life been like and why was she drawn to coming on a show like Age of Attraction? So we have her coming up next, obviously. Then we are going to get into the Love is Blind finale. We do have the reunion this week to look forward to. We also have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and all that drama going on both on and off the screen.

[Natalie]

And your one and only Tyler Cameron's back with us.

[Nick]

That's right. Our friend, friend of show and friend of life, Tyler Cameron is with us

[Natalie]

to talk about an fol.

[Nick]

Yeah. To talk about the new show that he is hosting, the Bachelor Mansion takeover. I think it should have said. It should have been makeover.

[Natalie]

Like, I feel like it is taken over every single time we see it

[Nick]

by Bachelor, but this time they're making it over.

[Sierra]

Yeah, they're making it over so they can take it over.

[Nick]

We, we, we, we, we talk with Tyler about the new show and catch up with him. That's all this episode. And just so you know, good news, bad news. We don't have a going deeper on Wednesday but we do have an amazing going deeper on Friday. So set your calendars for that. It'll all make sense when we drop it, but we want to get it to you timely and so it's out on Friday. Also, don't forget Violence plus is now ad free and got some great, great episodes waiting for you to enjoy. We have our reality recap deep Dives where we deep dive on your favorite shows like Summer House, Love is Blind and so much more. We'll also obviously get into some age of attraction. You might get some insider tea from the hosts of the show or at least the host. And we also have our Pop Extra roundup where we talk about your favorite pop culture topics. Like we'll dive even deeper into Timothee Chalame Pissing off the arts.

[Sierra]

Oh yeah.

[Nick]

And some of your favorite updates from all your favorite Ask Nick callers are available in your update special episodes. That is all available on Vile Files plus, so go to vilefiles.com to sign up. You will be glad that you did. All right. Well, up next, one of our many stars of the new hit show Age of Attraction that premieres tomorrow on Netflix on March 11, in case you didn't know. Up next, Teresa.

[Natalie]

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[Teresa]

Thank you. I'm so excited to be here and see you guys.

[Nick]

It's so good to see you. Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's been so long.

[Nick]

When did you film the show? April.

[Teresa]

No, we filmed May to June. Yeah. Seems like a lifetime ago.

[Natalie]

It does seem like a lifetime.

[Nick]

It does seem like a while ago.

[Teresa]

Oh, my God, it was so much fun.

[Nick]

Well, we are super excited to have you. Obviously, Age of Attraction debuts tomorrow and you are one of what I hope is the many stars of the show. We got to see you in the first kind of sizzle or clip trailer.

[Teresa]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And you were very much featured on that.

[Teresa]

I was shocked. Totally shocked.

[Amanda]

You didn't get a heads up?

[Natalie]

Well, they did.

[Teresa]

They told me the night before that I was gonna be sort of like the main face or whatever, but, you know, you just don't know until you see it.

[Natalie]

Yep.

[Teresa]

And I literally couldn't watch the whole thing. I was, like, overwhelmed with emotion. I had to put my phone down. I was like, in the middle of work. And so I had, like, people around me and they were just like, what is happening?

[Natalie]

You didn't know the aphrodisiac conversation was gonna be.

[Teresa]

And, like, I have to say, like, I kind of sound drunk or something. Like what? I was slurring my words. I wasn't drunk, but I was like, I sound weird, but I think that's

[Natalie]

just watching yourself on tv. You're like, oh, my God. Why do I look like that? Why do I sound like that?

[Teresa]

There's something wrong with me. Yeah. I'm like, do I know how to pronounce that word properly?

[Nick]

To have fun with ages. Since this is what this show is about. I'm old enough to know what it's like to record a voice. Like, hi, you've reached Nick.

[Amanda]

Voicemail.

[Nick]

Can't come to the phone Right now I know no one's doing that these days. It just goes beep. You've reached a number. But that was always jarring for people.

[Teresa]

I know.

[Nick]

You know, you would be like, oh my. That was like the first time you'd ever hear your voice.

[Teresa]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And you'd be like, oh my God, is that what I sound like to people?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And then you go on TV and

[Teresa]

you try and change it. You'd like repeat it over and over again, but it never changed. It's just your voice. Like there's nothing you can do about it.

[Nick]

But then you go on TV and it's a whole new experience.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Teresa]

Because then you have your face, your body, your hair, like everything is there.

[Nick]

One of the many reasons why we're excited for this show is how different age groups are getting more representation on this show. Specifically for women who aren't in their 20s anymore who watch some of these shows that they really love, but only feel like they get to watch 20 year olds fall in love. We are really excited that Age of Attraction will show a spectrum of different age groups and different people at different walks of life with a lot of lived experience that they bring to this show when it comes to finding love and dating. But I am curious for you, what compelled you, someone who's at this stage in their life to go on a show or reality TV show like Age of Attraction and be as vulnerable as you were?

[Teresa]

Yeah, it was definitely vulnerable. I cried my eyes out many times. So, you know, I have lived quite a life. Like, I've had many breakups. I've been married twice. I've dated young, I've dated old. I mean, when they came to me and they were like, would you date someone younger? I was like, I've done that. So yeah, that's not a problem for me. And why are you interested in that? And the answer is the guys who are my age are just not doing it for me, quite frankly. I don't know if it's because I'm not physically attracted to most of them. I mean, of course, it's like needle in a haystack. You can find a guy in my age group that is physically attractive to me. But then there's all the other things. It's like, do they have the energy that I have and want to do the things that I still want to do? I mean, I spent so much time being a mom and raising my kids, and I was, I did it primarily alone. And so my whole life was devoted to them. And so I got to A point now where my kids are all grown and they're living their own lives. And so now it's like, well, what, what's left for me? Like that job's done. So I'm like, okay, now I have to find what I want, which is a partner. And they need to meet all of these different criteria, quite frankly. And that means, you know, I have to be attracted to them. They have to have like the same energy level as me. It's hard to find that in my age group.

[Natalie]

Obviously I feel like older women and I think you speak to this a lot throughout the show of just like it's not normalized for older women to date younger men and for the other way around it's like, oh yeah, sure,

[Amanda]

see that every day.

[Natalie]

I mean we have that. But recently Sienna Miller came out and she said, I remember being 21 and auditioning to be the love interest of a 45 year old man. Things have moved on since then, but the idea of an older woman with a younger man, for example, is still fetish. Fetishized.

[Teresa]

Fetish.

[Sierra]

Fetish.

[Nick]

Fetish.

[Natalie]

It is fetishized.

[Sierra]

Fetishized.

[Nick]

It's one of those words that when you slow down, it gets harder.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's fetish.

[Nick]

You're just kind of fetish and then life.

[Sierra]

Fetish. Eyes.

[Natalie]

Fetishized. Fetishized rather than normalized. There's a disparity there that I would love to see disappear. I think the whole world is embracing women as they age in a way that is unprecedented.

[Amanda]

The of idea.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So basically the idea of an older woman is still with the younger man, is still fetishized.

[Amanda]

Baby girl, did you.

[Teresa]

Yeah, you said it well.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

There you go. Thank you. Use that one. Clip it, rearrange it.

[Nick]

She is the host of a new Netflix show.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Do you agree with that statement?

[Teresa]

Oh, completely. I mean, I think women are becoming more and more empowered in every way, like in the workplace and, you know, in sports and everything. And so why shouldn't it follow through into the world of dating? Like, I mean, I think in general, like the whole age gap thing is still, you know, sort of looked at as, you know, with a big question mark. Like why? Like there's such a mystery around it, but it's like it shouldn't be like we're talking about love here. We're not talking about like hurting each other, we're talking about like loving each other and finding connection. So what is wrong with that? Like no matter what the age is, if you have commonalities and you know you're happy and the other person's happy and you guys are lifting each other up. What could be wrong, period?

[Natalie]

I remember, I mean, I remember watching the older women that we followed and I was, I remember watching, like, all of you feel more and more empowered.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Each time, you know, it was just like, at first you're like, oh, no, this feels weird. Should we do it?

[Amanda]

I don't know.

[Natalie]

And then it's like, you know what? No. Like, this is what I want to do. This makes me happy. I'm going to do it.

[Teresa]

Exactly.

[Nick]

Yeah. And to your point, like, we're talking about adults looking for love. And I, I'm sure, you know, you have kids, you have friends, anyone out there dating right now, it's. It's a minefield. And I think nowadays people are just really having a hard time making connections, period. You know, just because the way the apps, it just, it just kind of like we're losing that ability to kind of slow down and have these face to face conversations with a real open mind.

[Teresa]

Right.

[Nick]

And it was really, that was my. I've said this a few times on our show, but, like, when we got there day one, when you guys all walked in and we're standing there greeting you all and just like watching you all day, I was, you know, sometimes when it comes to reality TV shows, you're like, all right, who's here for the right reasons? Like, who's, you know? But I was really surprised and elated by the enthusiasm of the collective group. And it really seemed like a bunch of people very frustrated with how dating is out there and the inability to, like, just make connections. And we provided that and just like, allowed people to just. Again, like, the show is about making connections with people that you're compatible with, that you feel something for eliminating outside voices, whether it's about age, family, certainly, like, all the things that might play a role. Then you, you guys will work through that. But like, I think nowadays, I'm curious what you think prior to going on this show. Do you feel like, like, dating has become that where we go into a date with all these filters already, like, in our mind, all the reasons why, red flag this, red flag that. I can't date you for this, I can't date you for that. And we're just like, why? Why are we even here on a date?

[Teresa]

It's true. I think, I mean, for me in particular, because I've gone through life in the way that I have with relationships and things like that. Like, I immediately start with a wall up because it's a protective thing that, you know, you, like, someone has to prove themselves to me. And when you're dealing with these dating apps, there's really not a lot of vetting that needs. That has gone on, that needs to go on. And so you're sitting across someone who you really have no idea what this person is about. And they could be, you know, really dangerous, actually. And, like, that has happened to me before where I've been on a certain dating app and, you know, I connected with a bunch of people or whatever, and maybe I did or didn't go out with them, but then I'll get a notice, like, saying, you know, this person violated some sort of code, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, like, I could have gone on a date with that person. Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy. So the reason why these shows are becoming so popular is because people want to see connection. They want to see that genuine desire to be with someone and to show up in a way that that's what both people are there for. They both want to find a connection. Whereas, like, these dating apps or whatever, you just don't know. This person could be, like, wanting to just hook up with you or wanting to hurt you in some way. And so, I don't know, I just. I felt safe doing the show. And I was like, gosh, maybe this is, like, the new way to, like, date, you know, like, maybe this is, like, gonna become a thing, like, for everybody. Be like, I gotta find a show to get on in order to find my partner. I don't know.

[Nick]

We watch these reality TV shows, and a lot of it has to do with. With them casting people early in adult life. And I think a lot of people like to have fun with the lack of careers that some people show up on reality TV with. But I'm curious. Tell us a little bit about yourself. You, again, have, not only as a mom, but as a working professional, a pretty fascinating past.

[Teresa]

Yeah, I have a very vast sort of career, very many facets to it, but I would say sort of my main career has always been in fashion. And I started in New York at Calvin Klein and then worked my way back to Chicago after I had my kids, took a little time off to raise them. And then I went back into the industry as a freelancer. And so now I do. I'm a fashion editor for one of the largest publishers in Chicagoland. And I also do, like, I have my agency work and stuff like that, so I also do modeling. I also do a Little acting, and I'm a yoga instructor on top of it all, so God knows where I find the time, but I do it.

[Amanda]

She said she needs a man to keep up with us. Yeah, exactly right. She's doing a lot of schedule.

[Natalie]

Sierra, you are going to love this. Who did you work with at Calvin Klein back in New York?

[Teresa]

Oh, yeah, I was there when Carolyn Bessette was there, early 90s.

[Nick]

Did you know her well?

[Natalie]

I.

[Teresa]

We knew, like, I didn't know her well. We weren't like, friends friends. She was on a different floor than I. She was in women's. I was in men's collection. I did work, like, right next to John Barvados, who everybody knows, but, you know, back then, it's like you didn't know who these people were, what they were going to become. I mean, God knows I never thought I'd be sitting on this couch, but.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Teresa]

So, like, it's crazy to look back and, you know, seeing Love Story brought back all these nostalgia for me, and

[Amanda]

the fashion was so good.

[Natalie]

What do you. Yeah, what do you. What are your thoughts on everyone kind of like, recreating Carolyn Bessette's fashion in kind of.

[Teresa]

I mean, she's class, you know, she was a classic. It's just like, you know, Jackie Kennedy or, like, any of the big sort of iconic fashion, you know, stars, they. They set the stage for sort of like a classic look. And so I don't think it's a bad thing for people to be out there, you know, trying to recreate it and look that way, because it's a beautiful look.

[Natalie]

I wonder if it will maybe start the decrease of fast fashion with everyone trying to just, like, have a white tee and blue jeans, for sure. Headband.

[Teresa]

Yeah, it's that, like, capsule wardrobe. And, you know, it's more quality than it is about quantity. And that's actually how I was raised. My mom raised me in the way that, like, she would buy me not a lot of clothes, but everything I had was really good. And I just had to learn how to, like, mix and match it, maybe add a couple buttons here or whatever. You know, talking late 80s weird, but, yeah, I mean, that kind of helped me develop my own sense of style. And, you know, I felt fit right into Calvin Klein. I mean, I was very, like, no makeup, natural.

[Amanda]

So even your outfit today, Stunning. You did a great job.

[Teresa]

I know.

[Natalie]

It's always fun to see what Teresa would wear on set.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Oh, I can't wait. Now, knowing this, I have something else to watch for.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Watch.

[Teresa]

What?

[Natalie]

Did you have fun, like, planning your outfits for the show?

[Teresa]

I did, yeah. I mean, it was funny because, you know, I'm a stylist, so I'm used to styling everybody else. So when we had our stylists come in and they were like, we actually want you to wear that. I was like, sure, I'll wear that. And then I show up in something different. They're like, okay, fine. Like after a while, they just gave up on me. They're like, she's gonna do whatever. She knows what she's doing.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So I've always enjoyed fashion. I like it. I've always had an interest in it. But then I met my wife and she was like, got a couple notes for you.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Teresa]

Skinny jeans.

[Amanda]

Bye.

[Justin]

Bye.

[Nick]

No, it's really helped me out, like

[Natalie]

these little Chelsea boots. They ran out years ago. Skinny jeans.

[Nick]

Well, I do. I mean, guys tend to lock in to whatever fashion was in vogue when they were like the. The most single and social.

[Teresa]

No, for sure.

[Nick]

And they're like late and early 20s when they were out and about and when they, when they thought, when they cared a little bit. And then they let. And then they just stopped.

[Teresa]

Positive reinforcement. So they're like, I'm sticking with this,

[Nick]

you know, and then they like settle down or don't go out anymore. And then, you know, when the world's moved on and they're still in like boot cut jeans from like, you know, and then they come back around and they're like, well, they're back in fashion. No, but my wife allowed it with

[Teresa]

women than it does with men.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Do you have a lot of iconic pieces, like from.

[Teresa]

I still have three pieces that were from when I worked there.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

But your daughter hasn't stolen them yet.

[Teresa]

She has one thing. Yes. And I'm like, she's here in la, so I'm like, I might have to get that back from you.

[Natalie]

Hey, dinner. Also bring that sweater that you bring

[Nick]

that collection before we let you go. Teresa, you are someone who has potentially dated younger men on the show. And for the ladies who might watch this show who are out there dating themselves if they have had the opportunity to consider maybe an age difference or date a younger man. But. But whether it's judgment from themselves or hearing outside voices, can you give us a top five reasons to date a younger guy?

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Teresa]

Vitality.

[Nick]

Her.

[Teresa]

Ding, ding.

[Natalie]

Come on.

[Teresa]

Yeah. I mean, they have to be, you know, I mean, you're gonna come across a guy that's better looking. No doubt. The younger they are interests. I mean, life moves so fast. There's so many, like, new, fun, exciting things going on. And when you're older, you're just kind of like, you know, you can miss that boat.

[Nick]

New dog, new tricks.

[Amanda]

Exactly.

[Teresa]

So, like, I. You know, I think that's a fun thing to enjoy. And their friends could be really fun, too. I don't know, like, great music, social life, just. Yeah, social life.

[Natalie]

Get out of your comfort zone a little bit.

[Teresa]

Exactly. Challenge you a little.

[Amanda]

You only go to so many dinner parties.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

You know. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Sierra]

Sometimes you want to go to a basement.

[Teresa]

What keeps you young? Like, I think I gravitate towards that also. Probably for a couple reasons. One, because I have kids that are, like, a little older. I was a young mom. And secondly, because the industry that I'm in, you know, working with models and. And, you know, you're on set listening to all this, like, great music, and it's just. It just becomes your norm. And then you're going out after shoots and, like, you're with. You know, it's just. That's the vibe of my career. So it just makes sense that I gravitate towards that with dating as well.

[Natalie]

Do you miss New York? The New York vibe?

[Teresa]

God, yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Teresa]

I'm like a fish out of water in Chicago. I mean, Chicago's great in the summer.

[Natalie]

I mean, now that your kids are grown, would you. Is there a world in which you'd move back to New York?

[Teresa]

No question.

[Amanda]

Really?

[Teresa]

Yeah. I would move to New York. Moved to la. I've moved to Paris or London. So I'm open to it all. Yeah, right. Have, like, a house in each place.

[Amanda]

That's what I'm talking about. You're fascinating.

[Sierra]

You're already my favorite.

[Teresa]

I really.

[Nick]

Visit me.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Only if we come to see him a lot in Paris.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you guys have any questions for Teresa?

[Justin]

All I have to say is I want to be to you.

[Teresa]

Me too. Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

Same.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

We need a New York trip, so you can just be like, okay, this is the capsule pieces of an albital.

[Teresa]

Yeah. No, I mean, I'm actually thinking, because I've been to Paris, like, God, I don't know, more than 50 times of doing, like, shopping trips with people, because I have been there so many times. I know the places to go. I keep up with, like, the newest, latest, and greatest.

[Natalie]

What are your thoughts on the new Chanel collection that is, like, taken over?

[Teresa]

Oh, it's in insane. Matthew, I. He's amazing. And, yeah, I love. I just Love the layering that they did and, like, you know, the femininity. That's always Chanel. But it's even more so with this

[Nick]

collection Natalie was pitching me last night in bed. She's like.

[Natalie]

I was like, you know, I am going to be birthing two babies, so I feel like maybe either two push presents or one really big one.

[Teresa]

Yeah. And one maybe from the new advice. I can help you with that if you need.

[Nick]

Well, I've been hearing that, like, the year of saving.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah. That's what he's telling me. But he did get me pregnant with twins. I feel like that is a, like, him problem.

[Amanda]

Giant contradiction.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

It's a year of saving.

[Teresa]

You gotta pay for it.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So it's actually the year of double.

[Amanda]

We need two of everything and triple,

[Natalie]

because I want river to also match.

[Amanda]

There you go.

[Nick]

Riley's like, you will work harder if we spend more money.

[Amanda]

You got this, babe. You got this.

[Teresa]

I'm all about this.

[Nick]

I am just trying to motivate you.

[Amanda]

Yes. That's not all I'm doing.

[Teresa]

Oh, my gosh. I can't wait to see your babies.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Sierra]

I know.

[Natalie]

I wish river was here.

[Teresa]

I know.

[Sierra]

Could have seen her again.

[Teresa]

She's so excited.

[Natalie]

She's like, it's so cute. She's just turned two.

[Teresa]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So I do honestly feel like she's grasping more than I would have thought she would have. Like, she sees my. My belly and she's like, one. Two babies. Like, two babies in mom's belly.

[Teresa]

Does she talk like that?

[Amanda]

I don't really know where it came

[Natalie]

from, but, yeah, she kind of does have a little. Or she looks at the ultrasounds and she, like, knows that those are the babies. And she.

[Nick]

When we were watching Age of Attraction, she's like, mama Dadda show.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

And it's so. Like, we won't even be on screen, and she'll be like, mama Dada show. And it's like.

[Amanda]

Like, the coloring.

[Natalie]

Like, how do you know? What is it?

[Amanda]

How do you know it's us? That's so cute.

[Natalie]

She's like, I recognize Whistler.

[Amanda]

Of course. I was there, by the way.

[Natalie]

Lived there for a few weeks.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Like, it's weird. I don't see my name on the credits.

[Nick]

Oh, my God. Teresa, we're very excited to see people watch your journey on Age of Attraction unfold. And we are grateful that you were very much a part of this cast. And really, you know, again, just really excited for people to watch the show. Watch you see how this experience goes for you, because again, I. I'm just really excited about how love is represented on this show in such a fascinating way. And I think there's a lot of interesting dialogue and conversations with a lot of interesting people, and I'm excited for people to watch. So thank you for being a part of it.

[Teresa]

Absolutely.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Teresa]

I'm super excited for everyone to see all of the things.

[Nick]

And who knows, maybe we'll have. Depending on how things go.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'll have a catch up with you and kind of a. Where are you now?

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Nick]

In the future we'll see potentially maybe. Teresa, good luck.

[Teresa]

Thank you. Thanks for having me, guys. So good to see you too.

[Amanda]

I'll see you in Paris.

[Teresa]

Yes. Come see me in Paris.

[Nick]

That was fun.

[Teresa]

That was really fun.

[Nick]

Well, you guys, what do you guys think of Theresa?

[Sierra]

What do you think? I'm in love with her. Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda]

There's no other, like, takeaway from that. She's just fascinating, beautiful woman that I'm like, I'm so excited to see.

[Justin]

She is who I want to be in the future. Like, whenever I meet a very powerful, successful, beautiful woman, I'm like, that's. That's who I want to be.

[Sierra]

Beautiful, smart, elegant, funny, charming. She's got Riz.

[Amanda]

Relatable.

[Sierra]

Relatable.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I know we don't know her age yet. We obviously will be be revealed when

[Amanda]

you get to watch I'll date her too.

[Nick]

No, but I was gonna say, but

[Sierra]

like, she's into younger.

[Nick]

Talking about representation, you know, we have had the golden Bachelor. Theresa's not there yet. No, But I only point that out because we loved Joan. Joan, our first and only golden Bachelorette. But because of, you know, the way what the Bachelor franchise is, they have their playbook. It's really just like, sad story, you know, but we're really gonna get to know these cast members, get to know Teresa, you know, again, real con. Talking about their dating life, potentially their sex life, things like that. The thing, the insecurities and fears that all people out there dating face. You know, people have been divorced twice, separated, who have kids, don't have kids. People dating with kids. And so very excited for you guys to all see it.

[Sierra]

I'm excited.

[Nick]

So we're one for one.

[Amanda]

One for one.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tyler Cameron]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

We are worried about the women, though.

[Natalie]

No, no, Never.

[Sierra]

I've never been, like, worried.

[Nick]

We will also have two more contestants from. From Age of Attraction on Thursday's episode, as well as another very fascinating person that I'm sure many of you will at least be interested in hearing what they have to say outside of Age of Attraction. That's on Thursday. I don't want to give too much away. What else is going on in the reality TV pop culture world.

[Justin]

I mean, before we get to reality TV, did you see Timothee Chalamet dogging on the opera?

[Sierra]

Mr. Timmy.

[Nick]

Tim.

[Sierra]

Tim LaGuardia High graduate himself.

[Justin]

And I love this. Man down. But, like, why would you say that?

[Amanda]

I'm pretty positive. Son of a baller.

[Nick]

Yeah, she's the son of a ballerina.

[Tyler Cameron]

Or opera or, you know, things where

[Justin]

it's like, hey, keep this thing alive. Even though no one cares about.

[Nick]

Oh, my God. For the people who obviously are big into the arts and in ballets. Coming from. That was. He wasn't. He was like, the thing no one cares about.

[Amanda]

Literally.

[Justin]

I mean, he was. He was dogging on it. I don't think he was being fully serious, but I think the tone of.

[Nick]

Of. I think he seriously thinks no one cares about it.

[Justin]

Yes, he does seriously think. I don't think he was trying to be, like, derogatory to the arts, but.

[Amanda]

Well, because he also followed it up with, well, I just lost 14 cents in viewership.

[Justin]

But also, Doja cat. She also clapped back. Being like, as someone who's big and love you, but, like, the ballet is big, the opera is big. You go to these performances and you go to the arts, and there's not a single open seat. These are sold out. And those tickets for those seats are, like, not cheap. So it's like, it's not a matter of, like, nobody cares. Nobody wants to go. It's a matter of, like, you're not going.

[Nick]

It is. I know nothing about the Oscar process and the campaign, but I do know that it is a campaign.

[Amanda]

Terrible timing, right?

[Nick]

I feel like the people who are going to be voting for Timmy.

[Amanda]

No respect for the classic arts.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Amanda]

No respect for your Oscar nom.

[Nick]

May or may not, but probably are on boards of said operas. Operas and ballets.

[Justin]

Also. What I'm remembering what Doja said.

[Nick]

Congratulations, Michael B. Jordan for winning best actor. Best actor.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, sinners, Sinners does deserve it anyway. My. My thing with this whole. This whole Timmy thing is just like, I believe truly that high and low art exist in the same space and are of equal value.

[Amanda]

Get it, girl?

[Sierra]

And that's what I live my entire life based off. I think reality TV is just as important as the opera. And so in that case, it's like,

[Nick]

it's just more him saying no one cares about anymore.

[Sierra]

People do. I was gifted tickets to the opera at 11 years old. Did I enjoy it? No.

[Amanda]

Your mom is also your sister. Was ballet. Was it beautiful?

[Justin]

Ballet is so back. Is it not? Like skims just hit a ballet ad. People are dressing like ballerinas. Ballet slips her back. Like, I'm like, I don't. It was just a mark that just didn't.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God. There's a ballet. There's a ballet coach that's viral on the Internet because his classes are so hard. But it's like he's not like toxic in the way that like old ballerina coaches were. But it's like he makes these jokes and he gets down on the ground and like looks at their feet. I could watch their videos all day. I was like, I would take a class just to know what this felt like.

[Sierra]

I would like to hear Club Chalamet defend this statement he made.

[Justin]

Timothy brought.

[Amanda]

I wonder.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I wonder if she'll join the chat.

[Sierra]

Miss Club ready? Well, Miss Club, she's. Listen, I follow. I follow her on Twitter.

[Natalie]

Has she said anything.

[Sierra]

Let's see if she said anything about this specific thing. I know the community was getting very.

[Nick]

I still have to see Marty supreme, so maybe I might eat my words after seeing that. Have you seen it, Mayor?

[Sierra]

I have not seen Marty supreme yet. My friends have been really trying to get me to watch it. I have not had the.

[Justin]

Had me at call me by her name. I was like, that's the skinny boy representation that I needed on.

[Sierra]

She has not. She has not.

[Natalie]

She's not defended her boy.

[Sierra]

She's not defended her boy yet. But she has, like, low key been teasing the waters of maybe starting a Connor Story fan account as well. So she might be busy. Sorry, Miss Club Chalamet.

[Nick]

Right.

[Amanda]

Forgive. Forgive my ignorance. He did, yes.

[Sierra]

Anyway, sorry, but we love you, Miss Club. I do remember when the marketing of Marty supreme was happening, it was very much. He was like, yeah, let's go, let's do this. Like, to be the best. Like, whatever Marty supreme was, maybe this is just him extending that character into the Oscar campaign of being kind of stupid.

[Justin]

To Mary's point, of the campaigns, there was one campaign that he did for Marty supreme where someone was voguing and he just goes received. So I think, like, he's not really trying to be negative when it comes to the opera ballet. I think he just said something that was silly that he knew he was going to get clowned for.

[Natalie]

He. I mean, he followed it up with. I'm Going to lose whatever he said. 14 cents of viewership. So it's like he definitely knew saying that would piss people off.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Sometimes you just say and then people are like, that's wrong. And then you're like, yeah, you're right.

[Natalie]

You know what pisses me off?

[Amanda]

People making rumors about Amanda Batula making out with Wes. No, Wilson. Literally, like, it's just like talk more.

[Justin]

I was going to say, speaking of, like, things that are not real. The whole weekend worth of headlines of Amanda and Wes dating together.

[Nick]

I feel like this is an entire cast hard at work.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Professionals.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Say more.

[Nick]

Well, I just. I don't think these rumors just come from anywhere. Right. And the people putting out these rumors, you know, certainly get things wrong. But, you know, it's not based off of nothing. And it wouldn't shock me if people on this cast are well connected and no people in the space of putting out these kind of blind items. You know, we've like, I don't know what was going on with Amanda and Kyle back when Jesse was like, hey, nice cans. But clearly everyone was kind of in on it.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Nick]

Because like, that was a comment you just don't make make to your friend's wife.

[Natalie]

Sure.

[Nick]

And. And. And they all kind of didn't act like, let's say like a. I guess, like a normal person would. So I don't know, it just feels like they're stirring. They got a new show coming out the. Their spin off show the city. I feel like this is kind of par for the course where they're. They're putting out things that aren't true. That gets people talking that are very easily, you know, disqualified, but here we are.

[Justin]

Or.

[Natalie]

Or this is a very handsy cast, you know, which we know that about West.

[Justin]

It's the summer. They're in the same house.

[Natalie]

Nope.

[Amanda]

West posted it's the summer with Lindsay. Sierra hanging out with Lindsay's baby.

[Natalie]

I don't. There's several other people there, though. It's not just the two of them.

[Amanda]

And Mia.

[Justin]

It's a group hangout.

[Amanda]

But I'm just. What I'm saying, it's a group of people. But I'm still saying that. I'm like, I think if Sierra and Amanda were hooking up, I don't think that Sierra and Wes would be Sierra

[Sierra]

and Amanda were hooking up or if

[Amanda]

Sierra and if Amanda and West are hooking up, I don't think Sierra and West are going to be at Lindsay's hanging out with the baby.

[Natalie]

That's What I'm saying, I think this is a very handsy cast. I think they're all really. They're very touchy feely, and I think they're out in public and they're at a bar. And you got west leaning over holding hands with Amanda or touching on Sierra. And someone's taking a picture. Someone's writing to the blinds, being like, oh, my God, they're all over each other. And it's like they're just friends who are a little drunk.

[Amanda]

And you know, who doesn't watch the show either. It's like somebody's friend that's like, oh, my God.

[Teresa]

Do you know who that is?

[Amanda]

Oh, my God, that's so crazy.

[Natalie]

And they're like, oh, my God, why are they all over each other?

[Justin]

Which, by the way, I saw all the videos of them hanging out, Amanda and West, and I was just like, oh, they're friends. They're cute. They're hanging out. And then all of a sudden it was like, they're dating. And I was like, oh, I'm on a different page.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, she did just say she would never date anyone in her cast.

[Justin]

Yeah. So it's like this is all disproven by the end of the weekend.

[Nick]

But for fun, let's say there was truth, but we know there's not. But in a world of, like, scandival, I mean, this would be a bit of a scandal, wouldn't you think?

[Sierra]

But Weston, Amanda.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's not the same as scandal, but I'm entertaining.

[Sierra]

We're going into cr.

[Nick]

What? I'm. I. I would argue that I. I feel like. I think people would embrace it in a way that people wouldn't expect. I don't feel like they would catch as much heat as you would think.

[Amanda]

I disagree.

[Nick]

And Amanda, you think so?

[Amanda]

Yeah, because I think Amanda, Sierra, Paige, the whole of it, like, very much prided themselves, like, on, like the.

[Natalie]

It definitely would be weird.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

With Sierra and West relationship.

[Nick]

Well, I guess I wasn't considering that. I was more talking about the cocktail. Kyle and Amanda.

[Justin]

I think the. The flip of what you're saying is that if Kyle did something, then it would be similar to scandal.

[Nick]

Let's assume Sierra is in love with someone else and she is just completely over the west of it all. What if it was just a.

[Amanda]

No, no, I don't think so.

[Justin]

I. No, but I see what. I do see what Nick's saying, that if Kyle did something, not Amanda, that Kyle Kachi. I know, but that's what I'm saying. But I think it's the other way around. Not Amanda.

[Amanda]

Well, Kyle also has.

[Nick]

I think they would rally around Amanda and.

[Sierra]

Well, okay, but if something happened now, it's like they're separated.

[Justin]

I do think people want Amanda to go out there and, like, date people.

[Sierra]

I for sure do. I want to see. I want to see Single era Amanda Petula. In this way. We're singing Single era Bronwyn. I want to see Single era Amanda Petula.

[Amanda]

And Nick, what was your prediction? I'm not giving any truth to this rumor that's circulating, but, like, what was your prediction of who Kyle would date after Amanda?

[Nick]

You know, someone who, like, loves DJs and goes out.

[Amanda]

Yeah. He's being speculated to be rumored or seen out with Ava Dash From Next Gen NYC. Someone who loves DJs. She's a model.

[Nick]

Someone like that young energy.

[Justin]

And we love Ava Dash.

[Natalie]

We do. Ava Dash. Who's. Who's her dad?

[Amanda]

Damon Dash.

[Sierra]

Damon Dash, mother.

[Amanda]

Rachel Roy Aaliyah.

[Nick]

I mean, at the end of the day, Kyle's gonna date someone who's at a stage of life who isn't gonna have a ton of expectations from him.

[Natalie]

And then the second that she is

[Teresa]

like, hey, do you want to, like,

[Natalie]

stay in and, like, order in and watch a movie? And he gonna be like, oh, my God, stop it.

[Amanda]

Could you imagine he gets with, like, a 22, 23 year old? And then they're like, okay, so you ready to have a baby next year? Like, when are you getting married? He's like, I thought I was getting away from this.

[Justin]

Did you guys see that Kyle was promoting his THC line of drinks this weekend? He was like, I just. It comes to my attention that I need to remind people we have this line of product. And then all the comments are like, so you clowned Amanda about smoking weed, but you're promoting your drink?

[Natalie]

No, that's crazy.

[Justin]

And I didn't think about that till I wrote. And I was like, wait, yeah, this is actually.

[Nick]

That was bad timing. Yeah, that was bad timing.

[Sierra]

Stoners unite for good of clowning Kyle Cook.

[Natalie]

That is.

[Nick]

It was already a weird thing. The.

[Amanda]

The smoking weed.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda]

That's what you're coming for her for.

[Justin]

Yeah. It just was a little weird.

[Sierra]

It shows. It shows. Amanda's never done anything wrong. Yeah.

[Justin]

Literally.

[Sierra]

Literally.

[Nick]

Just like the really. The always junk person versus the always high person.

[Amanda]

But even think of, like, the collabs and whatnot that Loverboy has done, that. It's been very directed, like, to females. And it's because of Amanda. Like, I'm like, even they just did a collaboration with Boys Lie. It's like, that's.

[Natalie]

Remember, this is what I. My whole, like, initial argument about Kyle Cook was years ago when he was, like, complaining about his business failing. And I'm like, it's because you go on a national show and you treat your wife like no one wants to buy your product. Like, no one is like, oh, this looks like a good man to support and a good business to support. Like, sure, let me spend my hard earned money. Money to, like, support this man who's, like, calling his wife a. And throwing drinks and being a crybaby.

[Amanda]

Like, no, you're so right.

[Sierra]

But.

[Amanda]

And it's also like, I just saw, like, an ad for Twisted Tea, which I think is where the original concept of Lover Boy came from, because that's what they were drinking season one.

[Justin]

Oh, really?

[Amanda]

Huh. And I'm just like, it's one of those things, too, where it's like, okay, yeah, work on your business then. But, like, how come I've never seen any form of marketing outside of social media? Like, I've never once seen, like, a commercial being like, oh, maybe I should try a Lover Boy. Or. Or, like, get it into a different show. And, like, I feel like you could. You know that's what I'm saying? Like, there's no, like, real marketing behind it because it's like, a business that he thinks stands on its own, but it's like, the collabs that do well, it's based off of Amanda, and it's like, we see the vision, and we're like, all right, I guess I'll try, like, a Dirty Shirley from Lover Boy. But, like, I don't see Kyle pushing.

[Nick]

I've only seen it when watching Summer House.

[Amanda]

You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, you think that you would see an ad. Even Casamigos had an ad, and it's George freaking George Clooney. Like, you know what I mean? Like, when it first came out that it was just like, oh, these group of guys.

[Nick]

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of things that could be.

[Amanda]

Be doing 100%.

[Justin]

I'll give them credit, though. I've seen it in the wild.

[Sierra]

I think the branding is really cute.

[Amanda]

Amanda did that.

[Natalie]

Do you know what else is really cute? Alex from Love Is Blind getting caught using his burner account to defend himself. Classic.

[Sierra]

Classic, classic, classic. Chopped man.

[Amanda]

It's also. It's the names, too. What was. What was Jax's Frank Draymond or something? This one's like, Chad Bolden. Where do they come up with a name? Where's the inspo.

[Sierra]

What is this?

[Natalie]

Is it, like a name you always wanted to be called yourself?

[Amanda]

Well, Frank's like, fuck, I'm an Alex, but I really act like a Chad.

[Sierra]

Is it Frank Draymond is from, like, something that Jack's.

[Amanda]

Yeah, it was like. I think it's the name of the main character.

[Sierra]

The Naked Gun. Okay. It's something from the Naked Gun, I believe.

[Justin]

But also, this is what happens when a boomer. And I'm not saying they're boomers, but they're closer to boomers, spiritually. Boomers. When they use a finsta and don't know how to use the finsta.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Like, why are you using your finsta and saying she was using me?

[Sierra]

It also.

[Justin]

When it's like, you could have done it, just said she was using him third person.

[Amanda]

When you hit send on that comment, it shows you in the comments posted, you didn't think, not the right account. I said, I.

[Nick]

He's clearly, you know, just going back and forth. He can't keep up.

[Amanda]

He's like, no, he's the greatest guy ever. I am the greatest guy ever.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

See, this is why. Remember all those posters they had in elementary school about, like, past tense, present tense, future tense, and how it could save lives? This is one of those moments. Sorry, buddy.

[Nick]

Has Love Is Blind stopped being a influencing show?

[Natalie]

For sure.

[Justin]

You know what? I thought that, but then I saw Jess's account, and, like, she's popping well.

[Natalie]

Jess's. Yeah, but just kind of made it

[Justin]

not just Vestal, just from the season. And, like, I was just curious. I was looking at them, and she posted her, like, hot bikini photo, and I was just like, I think there's

[Natalie]

definitely, like, of course, when there's the big storylines, when everyone feels like, oh, we need to support this person, let's rally around them. Definitely. I think they get a pop. I don't think we'll see Jess quitting being a doctor.

[Justin]

No, no, no.

[Natalie]

You know, like, I don't think it's as lucrative as it was. Who do we feel like was the last person?

[Justin]

I mean, I did, like, a jump into it, like, Chelsea from that season, which was also just Festo. A lot of ad was also one that popped. Then we have Chinese Disco, baby. She popped. Like, we still have people every season.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's not just also.

[Amanda]

It's no Love island, though. It's not like Love island, where all the finalists are like, okay, the show

[Nick]

doesn't Well, I don't. All these people you just mentioned, I don't remember, like studying their pages or following that closely off the show, but from what I remember, I felt like they organically got these following and whether. I don't know what their intentions were going into these shows, but it seemed like they responded to the following. They were giving them, like, back in the day when people go on the Bachelor and it's like, oh, my God, I have all these followers. And now you're. And I think you're seeing a lot of love as blind people.

[Justin]

Yes. Yeah.

[Nick]

Not be really get like 40, 000 followers. 18, 000 followers like rel. You know, relative to like, some of the massive followings that previous people before them have gotten.

[Amanda]

Mm.

[Nick]

And they're. The pages becomes like, there are influencers now. They're. You know, it's like they're leaning in. They're doing skits, they're doing all these things. And it's just like the show hasn't even ended. You know, like, it's.

[Justin]

I think the show to some. Like, to what everybody's saying. I think the show. Determine. You said determine if you were an influencer. Like, Love island gives you the influencing platform.

[Amanda]

I was gonna say, I think a lot of people used to go on these shows and like, not expected. Like, Love Island UK obviously would be like, you blow up to 2 million, like, right before you get out the villa USA especially season six is very much the same formula. But I'm like, I don't know these shows. Yeah, they don't. They.

[Justin]

I think now it's like personality, storyline based. It's like people are going around Jess and going around Ashley because they're like, that's the person I want to support.

[Amanda]

It's reactive. Yeah. It's like. Because that's what I said. I feel like you really have to earn a follow from people nowadays. And it's like you're reacting to what they went through, how they handle themselves. And then, like, you see what they're already posting. So I'm like. And I think a lot of these people obviously go on for an opportunity. So they already are like, their pages are already set up in a way that it's like, oh, I'm coming on here and I have somebody posting for me while I'm on this show or whatever.

[Nick]

It's also. We're. It's not the age of followers anymore. It's the age of. Of likes, you know? You know what I'm saying? We're not like, we have for you pages. We're just like, I like this. I like. You're not thinking of following people, you know, like, you're not. You're not going on your people. I follow.

[Amanda]

You don't see anybody's stuff you follow anyways.

[Justin]

By the way, if you follow the person on TikTok, don't they disappear off your. For your page a lot of the times, like, that's what happens to me.

[Amanda]

Or they're on your friends thing. But, like, no. I feel like on Instagram, I follow so many people and now I have to, like, delete people in hopes to see. See other people.

[Nick]

But we'll always be fascinated with the couples and we'll want to follow their journeys and. And. And things like that.

[Natalie]

And speaking of the couples, we have, Vic and Christine saw that come in from a mile away.

[Amanda]

Yeah. The healthiest relationship I think I've seen on reality television. Beautiful.

[Nick]

We're talking Love is Blind finale.

[Justin]

We're just talking.

[Amanda]

We've been the whole season in general. But I'm just like, it's. Again, it's. It's interest shows will, like, end up platforming people like Alex and Chris. But then it's like, you have a healthy relationship between Vic and Christine, and we're like, we don't need you in Mexico. We don't need to see your actual.

[Justin]

There's a lot of speculation around, like, why. And obviously none of this is confirmed, but, like, people were speculating maybe one of them didn't have a passport to travel outside of the country.

[Natalie]

I think they just realized, like, listen, we were each other's only person. You know, like, they go, what makes the, like, honeymoons so. So entertaining is because, like, oh, drama. Brie dated Connor and Chris. Like, is she gonna see Chris and be like, oh, he's kind of, like, cuter than I thought. Like, oh, should I try to talk? That's what makes that part so genuine. Christine.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

We're like, we didn't really date anyone else. It was just us.

[Amanda]

So I wonder if producers also were like, we need to protect the people we think will actually get married.

[Teresa]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And not have them be brought in.

[Nick]

I mean, I don't know why it happened, but why do people care? So Malibu. Really nice place, Malibu.

[Amanda]

Lovely.

[Sierra]

Honestly, if someone was like, yeah, here's this person you're falling in love with. Go to Malibu with them, I would be like, yeah.

[Justin]

To answer your question, why do people care about Vic and Christine? Did you see the Not.

[Nick]

Not why do they care about. I know why. Why do.

[Amanda]

We weren't there.

[Nick]

No. Why do we care that they went to their own romantic getaway?

[Justin]

I think it's more just we haven't seen them really, throughout the season, is what it is.

[Sierra]

Well, you know what I, I en. What I enjoyed about that is that it did kind of feel like reality. Right. Which is what the basis of this is. It's reality tv, but they are doing their own thing. Right. They're falling in love. They don't really need the orchestrated drama that's being created throughout with these other people to distract them from that in their journey. So, like, have them go off on

[Natalie]

their own, still see them. Like, we saw her pick her wedding dress. We saw, like, she was at the Bachelorette trail. Yeah.

[Nick]

And making great reality TV is all about tension and release. Tension, release. There was no. And listen, the only. I. If I found out that Vic and Christine. If Vic and Christine had a couple moments of. Of rough patches and some really interesting discussions. Sl fights that they didn't show us that they worked through and came out on top, that would be annoying. Yeah, that would, that would really frustrate with me if, if all they did was just, like, continue on the same path. Path. And were pretty, like, calm, normal, and just, like, ended up getting married. I, I, I, I saw what I needed to see, and now we will. And for the people who are interested.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

In continuing to follow them, we. You can do that.

[Amanda]

I'm gonna.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I love when Love is Blind does the thing of, like, you'll have someone like, like an Alex saying the most insane thing in the world. And then the music's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And then it cuts to Vic and Christine just, like, hanging out in Malibu. And then I'm like, this is beautiful.

[Justin]

Let's just say love is blind. We didn't see the actual love behind the season.

[Amanda]

The true love was blind.

[Nick]

Alex is beard at the finale.

[Justin]

Was all the looks at the finale, guys.

[Sierra]

Alex. I just, I don't even ask. I don't even wonder what that.

[Nick]

But you. You put on tuxedo, you look in the mirror and you don't.

[Sierra]

Oh, he says those things and doesn't think anything.

[Justin]

Was Alex wearing a tuxedo? Wasn't he the one that was driving dressed, like, in khakis?

[Nick]

No, no, he had a tug.

[Natalie]

No, that was his reunion look.

[Justin]

Okay, that's what I'm saying.

[Natalie]

His reunion was, like, khakis and, like.

[Nick]

No.

[Natalie]

And just, like, a polo. Polo shirt.

[Amanda]

It was just like, we couldn't Even get, like, five minutes on camera without everything being a soccer innuendo.

[Sierra]

Literally.

[Amanda]

It's like, bro, there's got to be more to you, man.

[Sierra]

I get that you were on a club team, and I know that that was important.

[Natalie]

Feel like.

[Amanda]

Like, just let it go.

[Natalie]

And I do mean this from the kindest place in my heart. He feels exhausting.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Natalie]

To not only date, but just to

[Justin]

be friends with Natalie after that finale wedding where, like, Ashley said what she had to say, and then he walked away, and him and his friends were just like, how dare she pull up. Like, what. What was the word? Integrity? Or like, they're like, well, it was on her.

[Natalie]

Like, sir, you have been shady.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

For the last six weeks.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But you. I don't think. Think he sees it.

[Natalie]

No.

[Nick]

No.

[Natalie]

That's why I feel like he's so exhausting because you're just. The whole time, you're like, am I crazy?

[Amanda]

Like, the whole.

[Natalie]

Every conversation you have with them, you're like, is this.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Normal? Are you punking me?

[Sierra]

Do you.

[Natalie]

Are you okay?

[Justin]

Ashley said something like that, too. And she was, like, saying no to you as a win. But then she also said something about,

[Amanda]

like, you say a lot, but I

[Justin]

can't be around you because I know being around you means I wouldn't have support or something. Like, it'd be constant. That.

[Nick]

Do you think it's because he does have this very untraditional lifestyle that's kind. Nomad lifestyle. Hold on. Hear me out. Come on.

[Natalie]

Nomad lifestyle.

[Justin]

He kind of does have a nomad lifestyle.

[Sierra]

Continue. Sorry.

[Nick]

He's got this mom who loves him who's like, he can do no wrong. And in. And in Alex's brain, he's just decided that's his reasoning for everything, you know, where it's just, like, he doesn't quite get his story straight. You know, he's kind of making. You know, and instead of being like, you know what? I. I need to be more direct and more upfront. He's just like, you just don't get me.

[Natalie]

Why is he on our screens? The man has zero stability. Zero. And that is, like, what this show is about. It's why they cast to get married in certain places.

[Amanda]

Like, he lied in his interview. Like, there's no way that they would have cast this man being like, oh, you have no home. You don't even want to stay in Ohio.

[Nick]

You're allergic to Ohio.

[Sierra]

Huh?

[Nick]

Is that what I'm getting?

[Natalie]

So you're gonna come on our show and reputation represent Ohio. Ohio. Okay.

[Amanda]

But say you'd rather live anywhere else and don't you dare trap me here.

[Sierra]

He said, O h I.

[Amanda]

No. There's a video circulating of him describing his work.

[Justin]

Oh, it did kind of make sense, actually.

[Sierra]

I don't know.

[Amanda]

All I saw was, like, one of the comments that I liked was, like, the amount of time it took for him to come up with this response. He could have just got a job. He literally.

[Sierra]

It's so Jax Taylor.

[Justin]

I don't like him, but it did kind of make sense.

[Sierra]

It's so Jax Taylor. Taylor going to Florida.

[Amanda]

The amount of jobs he's had in supposedly three years in two different continents. I'm like, so you worked everywhere for a month.

[Justin]

Can I be Alex and try to call back what Alex did for his jobs after watching the clip? Because I do think it kind of made sense.

[Amanda]

I have it right here.

[Justin]

But. But tell me if I'm wrong, because I kind of followed his word salad. So basically, he was working in finance, got laid out during COVID He worked at a bank. At a bank in Chicago. Might have made up.

[Nick]

That's it.

[Justin]

Anyways, he's working in finance. It was a big company, the state of Chicago.

[Amanda]

Like, he's already inflating it. He worked in finance.

[Nick]

See, he worked in a finance. Big company finance.

[Amanda]

Or he was a banker at bmo.

[Justin]

He said for multiple years, got laid off during COVID which we know that was a real thing. A lot of people experience. Then he found himself in Australia, and he was like, what should I do on my.

[Nick]

He woke up there.

[Justin]

He was like, let me just go somewhere else. So he went to Australia, became a fisherman, did. What's the other odd job?

[Amanda]

He said, covet, undid my career, gave me a severance package, which led me to traveling the world.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Amanda]

Key part when travel was difficult. So, yes, I went to Australia, I took the severance package, and then I got to jobs, plural out there.

[Nick]

So the one time in the history of the world where everyone's like, you can't.

[Amanda]

You can't travel. Everyone's getting laid off. I'm gonna travel and I'm gonna.

[Nick]

Flights are definitely cheaper back there.

[Sierra]

They were, yeah.

[Justin]

Well, then. So then his friends having a wedding that he was supposed to be part of. He comes back for the wedding, and he's like, oh, might as well just stay here. So now he's figuring it out.

[Nick]

But wasn't Australia one of the countries that was, like, super strict on who came in and out?

[Amanda]

Yes, but apparently that's why they made him go To. To see, I guess he said, because people are also like, how did he work in Australia? But I guess he said that he has. That his dad was a Kiwi, but,

[Nick]

well, that's New Zealand, different country.

[Amanda]

So I'm like, I don't think it's the same thing, but people were like, oh, he has a passport, so I guess he can work in Australia.

[Natalie]

You do need.

[Nick]

You need a visa to visit Australia. You don't need one.

[Natalie]

I don't believe to be a fisherman. Do you need a work visa or you just boat and joining?

[Justin]

Question.

[Amanda]

I feel like definitely for a casino

[Sierra]

dealer also could just be. And hear me out. A liar. He might be lying.

[Amanda]

He just. He might maybe like, has a weird relationship with the truth, you know, I

[Justin]

think he's figuring out.

[Nick]

He just forgets.

[Sierra]

Maybe he's just an artist with the way he speaks.

[Nick]

He's detail blind, right?

[Amanda]

Because he's. He's traveling so much. It's so hard to, like, keep a timeline because, like, I could tell you everywhere I worked in the last five years.

[Nick]

It's detail blindness.

[Natalie]

It's also like, how is he getting all these jobs with this resume? Like, aren't bosses? Like, I don't know, dude, you don't seem very reliable.

[Sierra]

He doesn't seem like a highly motivated self starter.

[Nick]

He can, he can talk himself into anything.

[Sierra]

I want to see this man's W2S.

[Amanda]

Literally. I need, I need receipts, proof.

[Nick]

He has detail blindness. You call it lying. He's just like, I forget about the details.

[Natalie]

Thank God him and Ashley are not married.

[Justin]

She ate down with us.

[Sierra]

She read him to fill on that.

[Natalie]

Amber and Jordan are. Are married?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Are they.

[Natalie]

You don't feel like they are?

[Amanda]

I don't know. Sorry. There's just something about the whole.

[Nick]

The streets are saying they may not still be together.

[Amanda]

Okay. There was something that, like the way that, that whole wedding went down, the conversation with the brother, even, like, him like, literally looking like he was going to throw up, pass out. And I know that that's part of, like getting married, like, nerves. But I was just like, this man isn't giving, like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. I'm about to marry. The love of my life is giving. Like, am I making the biggest mistake of my. My life? That's kind of the vibe I got. So let's chug a beer.

[Sierra]

But he said yes.

[Amanda]

But could he say no?

[Natalie]

Like, were you nervous? Before a wedding, you can always say no, right? I feel like if you. I mean, if you made the Decision to say yes and get married. Like, I guess like nerves of just like day of nerves, like, is everything gonna go right? But like, I feel like these people, and I guess it's because they've only known each other for.

[Nick]

Yeah. Their situation, our situation is very different.

[Amanda]

And I was also going to say, I feel like he was kind of set up to fail in the sense of like which way he was going to go. Because I'm like, normally like, you're not getting married in front of someone's daughter. That's like a child. Do you know what I mean? I feel like that would be like a really like, weird place to be. Like, no, I'm not going to marry you, but we just had your daughter dress up in a flower girl.

[Sierra]

You would be creating trauma for each other.

[Nick]

Listen, I do think there's a lot of people who get married who, who on the day of the wedding are very nervous. And I think there's a lot of engagements and wedding planning that are very stressful, that bring out the worst in people. And I think there's a lot of people who get married, when they go into their marriage are doing more fighting than getting along. And so I think, yeah, I think that happens all the time.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Thankfully we are, we didn't experience that.

[Sierra]

I just want the best for both of them.

[Justin]

Do we think Brittany and Devante are actually going to continue? Because that conversation, I hope not. She seems so optimistic and it made me feel bad because I'm like, I

[Nick]

don't think he had some not nice things to say about her behind her back.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Also, it's just like him, his whole bullshit thing of like, I just don't know if I can figure out how to love her. And it's like, you're not to trying, trying. You're literally not doing anything.

[Natalie]

Figure out how to love your partner.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's pretty easy to love someone and treat them well.

[Nick]

I think he's, I think he's full of. And here's why I want to tell

[Sierra]

you what, go on.

[Nick]

I am empathetic to the low energy, introverted men that we see on TV or just people. But I, and, and, and as someone who knows what it's like that, like, you know, the, the screen loves the charming people who speak in platitudes, you know, like the edit loves those people. So I'm a little defensive of those people. And devonte came across like that at first, but those people warm up eventually. And it's one thing for devonte to be like, you know, I'm just like a slow burn and maybe like I'm just not as expressive. But there's one thing to not be expressive at first and like literally refusing to like validate her in a way that she makes very clear that she needs validation.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And he just like, he never got there. And to me he comes across as he was selling. I'm just more introverted. I'm quiet to. I don't want to, I don't want to look bad.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Nick]

And I'm going to see this through because like the, the guys who, you know, the Chris's don't look good. So I'm going to see this through and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to agree to date her and so that people will be okay with that. And I think he just thought, I think he, I think he edited it himself.

[Natalie]

Yep.

[Nick]

And I, and I, and, and I wouldn't surprise me at the reunion if we, we find out that Devonte didn't live up to his end of the bargain.

[Amanda]

Agreed.

[Justin]

Do you guys remember Casey and Patrick from last season?

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Justin]

Different context. But like when their last scene reminded me of that last scene where like he was repelling Patrick was like, we're gonna continue. I'm so excited. I love her. And then she was on her side being like, I, I just don't like him.

[Amanda]

That's what Just like I wish people would just be honest. And I'm like, I wonder why. Like, it's like you have no idea what you look like throughout this entire process. Fine. But I'm like, to sit here and be like I, to be able to tell the cameras in interviews I'm not interested or like I'm just not feeling. I haven't gotten there. I don't have that spark. Whatever it is. Like, why can't you just communicate that to her?

[Justin]

Say it to their face.

[Amanda]

The one who has the wedding dress, he's like, oh, the buying the wedding dress early gives me weird vibes.

[Natalie]

Like, first of all, you knew that sir. She told you in the pod. Literally. And now it's weird. Exactly.

[Amanda]

And that's what I'm saying. Like you look so much worse trying to self edit yourself to like protect your image as if you're some genuine person while breaking up with someone. While if you're going to be completely honest with the interviews in the process, the contrast jarring. And then it's just like you're just like a fake ass person. Like, I'm like, I can't Root for you, bro.

[Justin]

He was so optimistic, being like, I totally get it. Like, we're gonna work through this. I'm so excited to keep, like, dating. And then it was just like, we kind of already know as an audience.

[Nick]

Everyone who gets engaged on that show agrees to basically a trial marriage. You're living with someone getting literally married. But Britney's weirdo, because she came prepared,

[Sierra]

like, literally.

[Amanda]

She read the book, she has her note, she's ready for the test.

[Sierra]

And he's like, wait, what seasons do you have to.

[Nick]

To watch people being put in dresses that they probably wouldn't pick for themselves, but it's the only option that the show provides them. Or rings that they probably wouldn't pick out for themselves, but it's the only option the show provides and we're going to shit on the person who's like, well, if I get married, I'm going to. I'm going to do my way generally. I'm going to have the wedding that I want.

[Amanda]

I respect that so much more. Like, I'm going to look bomb because I know what I tried on and what I like. I just think that's great.

[Natalie]

He's just. We're all shocked and mistake said yes.

[Amanda]

Definitely was no.

[Justin]

Were we shocked that Mike said no?

[Sierra]

No.

[Justin]

I was like that and nobody.

[Natalie]

I definitely thought it would be the other way around.

[Justin]

Me too.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

But then nobody was also crying, so I kind of was like, were we

[Nick]

just mentally also, honestly, yay for them. They didn't work out, but there's mutual respect.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I want to have a couple redeeming people where it's just like, okay, fine, you don't want to get married. That's totally fine.

[Justin]

You still, like, it doesn't have to be super dramatic or like.

[Nick]

Or mean or, like, toxic.

[Sierra]

I feel like she said yes because she knew he was going to say say no.

[Nick]

That's definitely possible in the world TV producing, you know. Could you imagine getting that wrong, though?

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Natalie]

You're like, I think he's going to say no. So I'm going to say yes.

[Nick]

Well, if you.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Nick]

If you're like, I know they're going to say no. And some TV producers, like, listen, I mean, between you and me, you know, this might land better for you if. If, yeah, if you get rejected and they're like, yeah, you know what? Yeah, he's definitely going to say no.

[Amanda]

And Bamboozled.

[Nick]

I'm not saying it happened here, but in reality tv, it's possibility.

[Sierra]

You know, it makes good TV anyway.

[Nick]

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[Nick]

Welcome back, bud.

[Tyler Cameron]

Back, baby.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Tyler Cameron]

Can't get rid of it.

[Natalie]

Even better.

[Nick]

Nor do we want to.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You were in our lake house studio.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yes.

[Nick]

Now you're in our new new LA studio.

[Tyler Cameron]

Guys, like, I feel like I've gotten like every iteration of your LA studio so far. Like, I remember that one that was like overlooking the city.

[Nick]

Yeah, that was the first one.

[Tyler Cameron]

The first one. And then I got the last one and then this one. You all have like the big corners.

[Nick]

You missed one. There was one in Van Nuys.

[Tyler Cameron]

Really?

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler Cameron]

But it's impressive, guys. It's amazing. So congratulations.

[Nick]

Thank you. We have a little makeover. You are taking over. Making over. Why didn't they make it? Why didn't they name it Bachelor Makeover? I don't know, but Bachelor Mansion.

[Tyler Cameron]

Bachelor Mansion Takeover on hgtv.

[Nick]

Which friend of show is hosting it alongside Taisha?

[Tyler Cameron]

And so we have guest judges. So Hannah's episode one guest judge and then Jesse Palmer, of course is our guy hosting, leading the way. And so, yeah, it was a fun show. We took over the mansion.

[Nick]

So yeah, walk us through what people can expect with this show because you're. You're giving the Bachelor man mansion a little bit of a glow up.

[Tyler Cameron]

A major facelift. Yeah. So we come in, we take over the mansion. What's really cool about this, like if you're a Bachelor Nation nerd, it kind of pulls back the curtains on what this, what, the Bachelor Mansion.

[Nick]

Something like the rooms.

[Tyler Cameron]

Like. Yeah, you get to see the bunk rooms in episode one, which is like, which was never shown when they showed like some of the behind the scenes stuff where you see how messy these rooms and get and how crazy it is. So it's that and like just like little cool history quirks. Like the owner of the house is speaking throughout the show, which is really cool. So he gives a lot of cool history. And my favorite part being the nerd I am is like we took apart the wall and you could see like all the different paint chips from like over the years. Like you saw like red, yellow, purple, blue, like all these different.

[Nick]

Cuz they painted everything.

[Tyler Cameron]

All they've done for 26 years is just paint it over. Paint it over, paint it over.

[Natalie]

I didn't know they paint it. Why would they paint every new season?

[Nick]

Well, because, like, you know, if it's the Bachelor and you have the women there, it's just like a different color scheme. Different, you know.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah. And I can be. I was like right here in this Maroon area is like, my era of making out with Hannah.

[Nick]

Like a tre. You know, every year, a tree has the ring.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah, exactly. Like, 10 colors before was Nick, you know, but it was, like, three seasons of it.

[Teresa]

Wow.

[Nick]

I don't even remember what it looked like.

[Natalie]

And you're bringing the entire cast is Bachelor nation contestants.

[Tyler Cameron]

So it's all Bachelor nation contestants. So you have bachelor bachelorette contestants. You have the golden bachelor contestants. So it's fun to get them all kind of mixed in with each other. I didn't realize it, but, like, it has the bachelor drama. It does, yes. Because people, like, want to get their opinion across.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Tyler Cameron]

So they're fighting about who's right, who's wrong, who, whose idea is better.

[Nick]

And so they're. They're pitching ideas of how to gloss up.

[Tyler Cameron]

Exactly. Like, if we're in this room, they would all be, like, trying. There'd be, like, teams, and they'd be trying to compete, like, oh, I want to do a red wall. And, like, they're all trying to pick a color while Sandra's over here trying to be, like, what sheen is it going to be like? It is. It. It is just a lot of chefs in the kitchen.

[Nick]

Can we look forward to some bad ideas?

[Tyler Cameron]

Oh, yes. We have some great HGTV judges like, that are from HGTV world that come in, and to hear them pick apart some of the designs and the critiques, like, they get into it.

[Natalie]

They humbled them.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

All right, so we've already had one episode. It's out now.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yep. So episode one is out now. You can watch it back on hbo. Max. So we had our first eliminations week one, which have been controversial because they just picked off the person who they didn't buy. But the best.

[Nick]

Very traitorous.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So who didn't they vibe with?

[Tyler Cameron]

They kicked off Sandra, and then they kicked off Jeremy.

[Nick]

Jeremy from the recent Paradise.

[Tyler Cameron]

From the recent Paradise. Yeah. Sandra is a Golden bachelor contestant.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Tyler Cameron]

And it was tough to see them go.

[Natalie]

Are you picking favorites?

[Tyler Cameron]

So what happened was, is we had two rooms. Right. The bunk rooms. The guys ended up teaming up together versus the. The ladies. And the ladies crushed, obviously, and the ladies won. So that was before. So then there was, like, some skill work, stuff to do together to learn about each other. And then they said they did the first elimination. Like, how do they get along with each other? And so people got eliminated.

[Nick]

Yeah, I hear. I hear that. Because there's a prize at the end. You can win money.

[Tyler Cameron]

You can win $100,000.

[Nick]

I hear there's some drama with how that went down.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yes. Well, when we first told them, everyone about eliminations, they came after me. I'm like, guys, I'm just here to let y' all know the news. You know what I mean?

[Nick]

You learn as a host that you get. Well, you get.

[Tyler Cameron]

You.

[Nick]

You get all the blame. You do some. You. And you get some credit you don't deserve, probably, as hosts, right? Because, like, I. Do you remember, like, you remember, like, obviously, we know the show. Harrison was.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Chris Harrison, you know, and you just think, like, oh, this is. It's his show. You know, he. He probably casted us, you know, like, he's.

[Tyler Cameron]

You're coming at him. It's all his idea.

[Nick]

It's like. Yeah. And then you kind of, like, once you learn not to take any, you know, and as hosts of our show, we, you know, like, we were very involved and. And we appreciate being, you know, a part of the show and included. But, like, we are. We are here to serve the show and present to the cast members and the audience what it is. And it's just like, we're like, yo. Whoa.

[Tyler Cameron]

And I caught all of them.

[Natalie]

Oh, they didn't. They didn't give it to Taisha?

[Tyler Cameron]

No, they. They came to. They came at me, and, like, I was the bad guy, and I caught it all. And, I mean, it was fun. It was like. Because I went back, I'm like, guys, don't you want to win $100,000? You know, like, of course. You got. You gotta eliminate each other. First of all, you came from the Bachelor world, like, you gotta get eliminated, you know? And they're like, well, this is hgtv. I thought. I was like, no, this is HGTV with Bachelor.

[Nick]

I should know this because I haven't seen the first episode yet. Are they handing out roses?

[Tyler Cameron]

There's no roses. No roses. There's no roses. But you do. At the end of it, they go, sandra, say your goodbyes. So there's great odes to what the Bachelor is throughout.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Nick]

All right, well, everyone check it out. What else is going on, man?

[Tyler Cameron]

It's definitely a good watch. You know, just back in Florida with Tate, you know, we got a lot of work on our hands. We started a tool line together, which has been fun, called Tinker. So I'm surprised you didn't call us to. To come tinker this space and get it right for you guys.

[Nick]

We couldn't afford you.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, we have. I'm sure, some tinkering we could have. The two of you do we'll have you tinker something.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah. So, yeah, we started this tool line and it's all about, like, making aesthetically beautiful tools and teaching people how to diy.

[Nick]

So how can people find some tools?

[Tyler Cameron]

We are going to be. We're in Target. We are, are going to be in Sam's club. We're on Lowe's dot com.

[Natalie]

So dinners on YouTube, Amazon. Whose idea was that, Yours or Tate's?

[Tyler Cameron]

It's something that we've been wanting to do for a long time. And then we finally met people that were doing kind of the idea that we were doing. And then we started having some conversations with them. And then we came to like a partnership and an agreement. And like, we're really excited and we're going to kind of take this and expand on it and go around and, and teach. And like, Tate's the perfect person for this because I feel like everyone's tired of mansplaining. Like, let me tell you how to hang this tv, you know, but if Tate's doing it, it looks awesome. She's way better at it than I am. First of all, it's way less intimidating when she's explaining it, you know, So, I mean, this girl's hang hung up like a 75 inch TV at her house. Buyers. Oh, I was gone one day.

[Natalie]

She built your entire house with her own two bedrooms.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah, she.

[Nick]

Can I ask you a question? I've been thinking about this a lot lately and reflect acting with our show coming out. How long you been together with Tate?

[Tyler Cameron]

Two and a half years almost.

[Nick]

When you think back about where you were in your life, just the whole life, what you were doing, where you were living, and then you think, how has Tate changed your life?

[Tyler Cameron]

Question.

[Nick]

I think, like, in, in like measurable ways. Not like in a like, oh, I mean, she's just like my heart.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But like, for me, I answer that question and I'm like, I was living, like I was living in Venice, like a two bedroom bungalow on the beach. I had this show driving car and I was just kind of like coasting. And now I just look at my life and everything I have in it, you know, just the show, you know, just everything has grown exponentially ever since I've met Natalie and just obviously just I'm happier and my kids.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah. Which is. I don't sit down, down and reflect and ask myself. That's a great question to ask yourself. And I think as I'm thinking about that, as you say that my life has changed drastically so much better since she's gotten into my life. I think I'm much more hungrier and want to make bigger things happen, whether it's in the entertainment world or you just even stuff in real estate. And I think a lot of that has to do with her and the life I want to live with her and the dreams that I have. You know, I want to build a big real estate company and do big projects back in South Florida, and I want to do more with entertainment and help her grow. Grow. And I want her to be a star interior designer on TV one day. But I think what you're talking about, like, my life has exponentially gotten better because I was like, kind of just like you said, coasting kind of living life. Like, kind of just like, oh, what party or drunk thing will I do next? You know, and no real reason, I guess, to what I was doing. Just kind of floating in this, like, entertainment world, which is. It's really easy to float in this entertainment world world because just wait for the next gig or the next opportunity, and you're just kind of on this calendar of events that you go to annually, you know, and you know there's going to be work and you just see what mess you get into and you laugh about it with your boys and nothing's for real. But now I was like, purpose. I think she's created a lot. Is like a good thing, good way.

[Nick]

That's how I feel. Yeah.

[Tyler Cameron]

Now, I got me thinking over here, you know, I think she's changed my life in more ways than I even acknowledge or the think about, you know.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about. I was just like, I. I don't know. Look, I think I like, read it like a.

[Natalie]

Like it was when we were in Mexico.

[Nick]

I read something. It was like, be careful who you marry, you know, because, like, you're it. It'll impact your life, you know.

[Tyler Cameron]

Well, everyone said that's the most important decision you'll ever make.

[Nick]

And then I was just like. And ever since I met Natalie, you know, we've been through so much together, and I, you know, just really leaned in to my relationship with Natalie, and I'm just like, well, you know, it's really been going great. So I just, like, measurably, like, look back and it's just like, you. And every step of the way, I mean, she's. Whether it's directly. She's had so many direct impacts, like you just being part of the show, but just like, what I've been able to do with her and as an individual.

[Tyler Cameron]

How long did y' all date before y' all got married?

[Natalie]

We got. We were engaged after two years, engaged after two years, and then we got married a year later and pregnant several months after the engagement.

[Tyler Cameron]

Gotcha.

[Natalie]

So you are honestly a little behind, and you should.

[Nick]

I didn't really want to put you on.

[Natalie]

I mean, I did feel like that's

[Nick]

where that was going.

[Tyler Cameron]

Well, I was gonna say, like, this is backfiring.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I could really use a headline out of this interview. Like, backfire.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

If you could announce something that would be.

[Tyler Cameron]

Well, I was. I was gonna make the joke, which is not a good joke to make, I guess it was like, you know, we're talking about, like, everyone says, like, marrying someone is the biggest, most important decision you'll make in your life. And I'm like, so can people get off my back for being only two years? But I guess this is not the right crowd.

[Natalie]

It's not the right crowd.

[Sierra]

Two years.

[Natalie]

There's plenty of time.

[Nick]

But it is interesting to think about, like, in past relationships, where you're just like, man, I just, like, man, we. You know, like, it's just the energy you invest in a relationship or, you know, like, when I was younger, you'd fight a lot with girlfriends or whatever, and it's just like, you. And when you think about this decision, I don't know if something that's on your mind, you know, it's interesting to think about, like, how your life has actually changed since you've met that person. And do you feel. Feel like you're further ahead than when you were?

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah, I think I've definitely, because of her, pushed myself to take on more things, like, you know, and start more businesses and try harder things and. And make myself exhaust myself more and better in ways to financially, you know, benefit ourselves in our future. So she's definitely, like, a leading motivation

[Nick]

to that, because if it doesn't work out for you and Tate, you're gonna have to go on Age of Attraction, and.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, but I did.

[Tyler Cameron]

Up or down, it's really up to you. Right? I'm a tweener.

[Nick]

It's. You can actually meet someone your age.

[Natalie]

You could. You know, there are no rules.

[Nick]

Yeah, we don't. We don't force anyone, really, but we allow the opportunity.

[Tyler Cameron]

So are you guys excited about this?

[Natalie]

Oh, of course.

[Tyler Cameron]

Like, this is huge.

[Natalie]

No, of course.

[Nick]

I'm tempering expectations.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I'm excited. I think it's really good.

[Nick]

Natalie is a star. She. She really shines like, you know, you've seen me on tv. People know what they're getting from me. It's fine, you know, but as a host to, like, she's. I've, like, like the way you think of Tate. I've always thought Natalie has a certain. About her, you know, a presence.

[Tyler Cameron]

I was gonna say, you know, French is much.

[Nick]

You kind of have that to me. You're a charm.

[Tyler Cameron]

I was more redneck than French.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I was gonna just say,

[Nick]

girl, I'm just a try hard who has, you know, is willing to share an opinion now and then. And when it comes to relationships, obviously, I'm very into that, and. But it's been fun to see Natalie really, really shine in these moments. And she looks great on camera. I'm always like, I think.

[Natalie]

I think it's gonna be good. It was really fun to do together. And I'm sure, I mean, like, you did your. Your show with Tate, the Amazon prime one.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's interesting doing, you know, being again, being a host because, you know, you're. You're part of the show. You're not the focus of the show. You're not, you know, you're. You're not even what the show's about, even when you're part of it. Like, it's not you. It's. You need to not be in it. You know, you need to allow things to happen. You're not here to.

[Natalie]

So it's like. Like on Bachelor Mansion Takeover, like when they were fighting, were you ever present to where you're like, oh, this is good. Like, keep it going.

[Nick]

You're like. You're like a viewer sitting inside.

[Justin]

It's.

[Nick]

It's like being seeing on, you know,

[Tyler Cameron]

in the live tv.

[Nick]

It's live tv, and you're just watching this unfolding. You're just like, this is good.

[Tyler Cameron]

It's great. That's a great feeling, though, when you're hosting or doing something and you're, like, watching it and you're, like, thrilled and fired up. Like, I can't believe this is working out the way it's working out. Like, this is unreal.

[Amanda]

This is good.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Tyler Cameron]

Then you're like, I hope they just cut that perfectly. The way I see it, my brain.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I know.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And so it was fun. We're excited. All right. Right. Well, thanks for stopping in, man.

[Tyler Cameron]

Of course. It's great.

[Nick]

Anything else you want to put out there or bring proclamations or any proclamation?

[Tyler Cameron]

Well, today I'll stay into it and I'll say it again. I love You, Tate, what are the

[Nick]

chances that you get her pregnant?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was like, is it more. More likely you get pregnant or get engaged first?

[Tyler Cameron]

There's an AI article today that we're.

[Amanda]

That we're pregnant.

[Tyler Cameron]

I love those. The Facebook. Yeah, I got that sent to me by a lot of my family members.

[Nick]

Well, after we did, we announced now I was pregnant with twins. There was an AI article with two people who looked like us, but. Well, actually, they didn't look like us.

[Natalie]

They didn't look like us at all.

[Nick]

But a guy had a beard and. And hair, and there was a brunette woman and a baby. It was like an AI version that wasn't at all.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yeah, no, I. She'll kill me. If we get pregnant before getting.

[Nick]

Getting married before we go, remind people how. Where they can watch Bachelor Mansion Takeover.

[Tyler Cameron]

Yes. Tune in every Monday night at 8pm on HGTV or HBO Max. Or HBO Max the next day. Yes.

[Nick]

All right. Beverly Hills.

[Sierra]

Beverly Hills.

[Natalie]

Did you see your friend? Friend of fos, friend of show, friend

[Nick]

of life, Brad Greski.

[Amanda]

Brad.

[Nick]

Greg is in the drama.

[Natalie]

He is in the comments.

[Nick]

He's in the comments.

[Natalie]

He was in the comments.

[Sierra]

She called her experience with some bad apples true. Triggering. Triggering. I've had the best in the world who are like family, but it also goes the other way. She said it's the hardest job to fill always. And then Brad replied to that Instagram post and said triggering for the assistance as well. Taylor, Jill, Jordan, Tara, me. And then he tagged all of them. And then Jordan replied to his reply,

[Amanda]

accurate, which is funny because he was just on Watch what Happens Live. And I feel like Andy, like, asked him about Rachel and he was saying so, like, buttoned up and like, no, no snark.

[Nick]

I mean, I mean, over the years, he's been pretty buttoned up about it. Brad, he had. I mean, he was on Rachel's.

[Justin]

The Rachel Zo Project.

[Teresa]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

He also then have his own show.

[Nick]

I mean, I. I didn't watch a ton of reality TV back then, but I watched that show and I. I was. You were a Brad. It was. Brad was the star. And then they had a breakup and Brad got his own show. It's Brad. Brad World. And so, yeah, he definitely made a name for himself. And then a lot of the drama between Ra. Brad was in 2011 was centered around the accusation that Brad stole one or many of Rachel's clients, one of which is known as the iconic Demi Moore.

[Natalie]

Who he still works with.

[Nick]

Who he still works with today. I found I happened to find an article. Well, this is Interview. I don't know. It's a WWD Women's Wear Daily. In recent years, Goreski has been helping her hit the mark. Speaking of Ms. Demi Morgue met Goresky in 2008 when he was a young assistant. And she wants to set the record straight. Despite recent reports, her longtime collaborator and friend did not steal her away from her previous stylist. Previous being Rachel Zoe. He rescued her at a critical moment. Mrs. Demi Moore says his previous employer was supposed to prepare me for Sundance and called two days before and said she couldn't do it and I would use bread Said more.

[Natalie]

I mean, that a hundred percent make you not.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

If your stylist cancels on you two days before an event and you, like,

[Nick]

your stylist is already becoming a household name herself and busy and going to opportunities, you're just like, you're too busy.

[Natalie]

But also, like, that's not just, like, an event.

[Amanda]

Like, it's not like. It's like one night, like Sundance. She's gonna need multiple outfits throughout a weekend. Like, I'm like, what are you. What are you talking about?

[Natalie]

And then you meet Brad and you just, like, br. Comes. He saves the day, his energy, and it's like, yeah, are you kidding? I'm gonna stick with Brad.

[Nick]

Not that I am an expert in being styled, but I've been styled before. I've been styled by Brad, and I feel like being styled. Like, the best stylists have that perfect balance of knowing what you feel comfortable in, knowing what you like and love, but pushing your boundaries just a little bit, you know, finding that balance.

[Natalie]

Nick and I just got styled, obviously. Obviously, for this upcoming week for Age of Attraction Press. So we have some looks that we're serving. So do you. You're very. He's giving kind of like Jacob Elordi, Ryan Gosling vibes.

[Justin]

So we need to get you, like, a.

[Natalie]

He's giving, like, Tom Ford St. Laurent, like, very.

[Justin]

I'm here for that. That's in.

[Nick]

I think you'll have to let me know.

[Natalie]

I think you will really like it, Justin.

[Nick]

But in the service industry, makeup artist, hair stylist, whatever, stylist. When you say you stole the client,

[Amanda]

I mean, there's no such thing.

[Nick]

No. If someone liked someone else's work.

[Amanda]

You're not even, like, under contract with a stylist. Like, it's like, it's a free choice and it's free length.

[Justin]

A good example of, like, current stylist changes is Margot Robbie with. She went from Her Barbie era stylist. Have you seen that? To then the transformation with whoever is styling her for Weathering Heights. Like, it's just a matter of like, taste and era. Like, it doesn't always need to be like people can do.

[Sierra]

You can work with multiple people. But I think think the the best part about this story is so the article that talked about their feud reigniting references when it was happening in 2011 and what they were saying. So in a 2000 episode of reality series, Zoe accused Goreski of going after clients. Within a week of leaving, he had started to pursue our clients going to all of these events and doing things that he said he had no interest in. And then later that year, Goreski denied Zo's allegations against him in an interview. I think it's unfortunate that she decided to take the angle that she did because it's not. Not the truth. It's unfortunate that all of the time I have spent with her and that the many lengthy conversations we had discussing my departure from working with her, that she would choose to character assassinate me on television, that's not the truth. He added, of her client stealing claims. And she knows that's not the truth. I didn't even say goodbye to a lot of her clients because I didn't want anything to be misconstrued as me soliciting anybody.

[Nick]

Also, the conversation usually goes like this. Oh, what are you doing now? Oh, I went on my own.

[Tyler Cameron]

Really?

[Amanda]

Oh, my God. Let's look together. I'm gonna call you. I've got something on Tuesday.

[Natalie]

Ye.

[Nick]

I actually really loved working with you. You're a lot of fun.

[Amanda]

I'm saying, it's so casual.

[Sierra]

Can I. Can I read my favorite part of this, which is the end. It says the two have remained unfriendly over the years, despite Goreski's various claims that his door is always open if Zoe wants to bury the hatchet. Most recently, Zoe made her stance on the prospect clear when she revealed in January that a major reason she decided to quit styling was because she couldn't trust assistance. I think after being completely trade, for lack of a better term, in various ways, by enough assistance and not being able to trust them with my clients and stuff, to represent what I do and how I am with my clients, it just wasn't worth it anymore.

[Nick]

I mean, wow.

[Natalie]

I did buy two of her picture frames from Home Goods yesterday.

[Justin]

I love Rachel Zoe.

[Sierra]

Oh, my sister. My. So my niece's baptism I was home over the weekend for. And my sister had literally gotten her Rachel Zoe outfits, and they were so cute. And I, I went in this particular

[Nick]

feud, I, I, I'm not seeing where she's coming from. I feel like she's the one who keeps perpetuating this. I mean, doing that interview and, and, and on all, all of your assistants, I mean, that allowed Brad to respond and, and tag all. Because he didn't. She was like, yeah, well, she kind

[Justin]

of, she spun it in positivity, which I think is the reason also where, like, as a previous assistant, you're kind of like, wait, that's like a different recollection of what, what happened.

[Nick]

But it's, it's, it's a, it's an, it's an intimate relationship. You know, if you start sending your assistant on a regular basis to work with your clients, who do you think they're going to get comfortable with? If you're just like, then it's not like, a fashion brand.

[Amanda]

Right. But I think, like, the big part that, like, we're all leaving out, especially Rachel herself, is that I was like, she's already become the celebrity who gets styled at this point. So it's like, you're not walking away from styling because, like, oh, God, my, my God, I can't trust anybody. It's like almost like beneath you at this point. You're the one that's being styled. Like, you're not going to be styling somebody else. Like it. She already is a celebrity at this point, has her own shows, like, has a name for herself. You probably are annoyed that people are calling you, asking you to pick out their outfits for them.

[Nick]

So why do you think she is calling out her assistance and accusing them of.

[Justin]

I mean, the Bravo audience is saying that Rachel Zoe is a blessing to this cast because she knows how to pronounce produce reality tv. Like, she's actively as she's doing interviews and on the show, building her storylines.

[Natalie]

Well, speaking of, we had a big nothing burger of an episode.

[Justin]

I love Beverly Hills.

[Natalie]

You felt like it gave every episode.

[Justin]

I'm just like, you know what? I appreciate the little bits here and there of, like, more detail.

[Natalie]

Okay, well, we do have a rapid recap in case you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Rachel Zo tells her son not to buy just any girl Hermes. And also that there's dad's girlfriend sucks. Also, Dorit is happy to say that Operation Hampton's parent trap went well and her and Kyle are cool again. Actually, cut that. Dorit found out Kyle said she was erratic. Friendship over again. Amanda's Getting married, and for sure spending a lot of money on it. Her husband is entering on a horse, and she's coming in on a helicopter, because that's normal. And she's also paying for all of it, so don't forget that she's paying for everything. Kyle and Erica went to check in on Dorit mentally, which can only go well.

[Sierra]

Well.

[Natalie]

So Sutton has decided to room with Amanda on their girls trip to Villa Bibliani in twin beds because she's nice. This is basically that episode of Sweet Life is acting Cody, where London and Maddie room together. Also, Dorit is late for the plane, and Kathy Hilton's iPad is in Nashville, apparently.

[Justin]

I had so many questions from this episode.

[Natalie]

What questions?

[Justin]

Why did we stagger the private jets? How much were the three?

[Natalie]

It wasn't private. And Bose explained why. Because she didn't want the drama.

[Justin]

I get that. But I'm just like, why? We're catching Kathy and them on the third one. Why couldn't they be on the second?

[Amanda]

Did you learn nothing from Meredith Marks? I guess, like, we're gonna break these women up, and nothing interesting is gonna happen on these wife.

[Sierra]

I just. I feel like all of a sudden, we were just going on another girls trip. I was like, where did this come from?

[Nick]

Yeah, I was that. Well, that caught me up. I thought we got back.

[Sierra]

Exactly.

[Justin]

They never. Did they even eat the caviar that was on the table. I don't know. Maybe I'm focusing on the Right.

[Natalie]

What I do have a question of. And me and Sierra were talking about this before we recorded was it showed us Villa Bibliani, and it said, however many acres, however big the thousand square feet, it's gorgeous. Nine bedrooms, maybe 13 bathrooms. How many women do we have? How many women? Why are they sharing a room? And why are they both in twin beds?

[Nick]

They needed a scene.

[Natalie]

Because they needed a scene.

[Nick]

And it's very much zero chance they actually slept in that room together.

[Natalie]

No.

[Sierra]

Well, I think Sutton is really trying to take the room role on TV of mentor.

[Justin]

To answer your question, she's trying to.

[Sierra]

Jack Donaghy.

[Justin]

We have eight people, including Natalie, who's the friend of.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Natalie]

So Sutton could have had her own room.

[Nick]

There's an extra room.

[Amanda]

You could push those two beds together, make a full size.

[Justin]

It could have been a butler's room or, like, you know, they're staying in the room. They don't like the downstairs rooms a

[Amanda]

lot of the time for the storyline.

[Natalie]

I did love Sutton being like, the last time I slept in a twin bed. Was when I gave birth to my

[Justin]

children in the hospital.

[Natalie]

In the hospital, yeah.

[Nick]

This episode of watching Amanda plan her wedding really made a me appreciate ours, to be honest.

[Justin]

First of all, 350,000 helicopter.

[Nick]

I will say it's shocking how easy it is to spend money.

[Amanda]

Weddings are so expensive.

[Natalie]

The helicopter. I'm confused because everything's blowing away.

[Amanda]

Literally me.

[Natalie]

Like, everyone's like, hair is now the table, Flower petals falling out of the helicopter.

[Sierra]

Will the horse not be scared of the helicopter?

[Natalie]

Well, that's what that was. Her husband.

[Nick]

Amanda is going to manifest her hair not blowing from a helicopter.

[Natalie]

Well, of course, she doesn't care about any of her guests.

[Justin]

No. I had the vision. The helicopter is, like, an acre away. So you see her come down, and then she rides the horse or whatever to the rest of the people.

[Natalie]

Her husband was on the horse. She was not a part of the horse equation.

[Amanda]

And the horse is supposed to be, like, walking them to the reception where I'm like, could you imagine stomping in your heels behind a horse?

[Sierra]

The horse and the helicopter are two completely separate concepts in this wedding.

[Nick]

You've been to a lot of weddings. I mean, obviously, you know, you're. You're seeing her shop for. For China.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Oh, pretty. I like this.

[Nick]

No, it was obviously pretty and clearly, like, expensive, but, like, just extra. It seems like so much extra.

[Natalie]

Like, I don't remember what we ate off of at Sarin Wells's wedding.

[Amanda]

No, but that's what I mean. Nobody does, and that's why I'm saying.

[Nick]

Or ours.

[Natalie]

Absolutely, we're ours.

[Amanda]

I don't. But that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm just like. I feel like a lot of this is, like, for show, but then it's just kind of like, again, it is your day, so, like, whatever it's gonna take for it to be the perfect day for you.

[Natalie]

You.

[Amanda]

I just don't think a lot of people require that. I've been to some very stunning weddings that are probably high up there on the budget, and nobody needed to cascade down from a helicopter to prove. No, you know, that's what.

[Natalie]

It does feel very like. I have to prove that I'm. I'm the money magnet, that I am the money queen.

[Sierra]

There you go.

[Justin]

I does feel that I do see the vision of the helicopter.

[Natalie]

You see the vision?

[Nick]

How do you see the vision?

[Justin]

I don't care if she comes out looking, like, blasted by the wind. I just. The idea of her, like, writing.

[Natalie]

It's the.

[Justin]

No, that's what I'M saying, but she's, like an acre away. We can watch her come down. Not actually, but, like.

[Natalie]

But then she has to take a golf cart. Yes, Take a golf cart.

[Justin]

We can skip that part of Uber Black.

[Amanda]

The orchestra is now, like, making an epic because they're just like, oh, my God, it's taking her so long to get done here.

[Justin]

It's so extra for no reason. I think I just love the idea.

[Natalie]

She said they're gonna be like, oh, no, there's a helicopter. Oh, wait, the helicopter's landing. Oh, my God, the bride's getting out of it. Like, no one's saying that, because they're

[Sierra]

all like, oh, my God.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God, there's stuff flying.

[Justin]

She could parachute out of it, and I would still be like, love it.

[Nick]

And she did say she wanted her, like, boss lady moment.

[Amanda]

Boss lady moment.

[Nick]

She likes it. I guess it gives boss lady. But it definitely, like.

[Natalie]

It's just.

[Nick]

You don't think helicopter and go romance, sexy love.

[Amanda]

No, I like to think of her cascading down, like, from, like. Like a. Like, you know how they have the little, like, draw ropes or whatever? Like, she's just, like, being hovered down. But then it's like. I just think of, like, Justin Timberlake and Friends with Benefits when he's, like, under the helicopter, just being blown around. Like, I'm like, there's just no way that this is going to come off sexy.

[Natalie]

And, like, she's in her wedding dress. A veil. I. I can't imagine a veil in a helicopter. You know, like, justification, maybe.

[Nick]

She's gonna. She's gonna do, like, a slick back.

[Justin]

Wrap it up, pull it down when you're down.

[Sierra]

No, what she needs to do is she needs to do a little Kill Bill moment where she's, like, in a tight little catsuit, and then she gets out the elevator so nothing's moving. She then unzips wedding dress.

[Justin]

That's.

[Natalie]

Unzips the catsuit.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

To reveal the wedding dress.

[Nick]

Manifesting magic. Following manifesting magic in storage for a year.

[Justin]

I see the vision. I see the vision.

[Sierra]

Yes. Because then, guess what? Someone's gonna meet her with a steamer steam. That girl. Okay, we're not gonna see. It's gonna be behind the helicopter. Then she's gonna come out of the helicopter.

[Justin]

Look. Perfect.

[Sierra]

You know, movie magic can exist in real life.

[Nick]

I shouldn't be talking. I want to go to this one wedding so bad.

[Justin]

Do we see the wedding in the season? I don't think.

[Natalie]

No.

[Amanda]

It's October 2026. I don't know how you missed that.

[Sierra]

1026.

[Nick]

All right. Well, that will do it for us today. Thank you to our guests Tyler Cameron and Teresa, one of the new stars of the hit show Age of Attraction that is available on Netflix tomorrow March 11th. And don't forget going deeper this Friday. Don't miss it. We'll see you then. Bye bye.

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