E1092 - Age Of Attraction Premiere with Derrick and Andrew, Love Is Blind Reunion with Alex & Summer House

Summary

The Viall Files E1092: “Age Of Attraction” Premiere, Love Is Blind Reunion & Summer House Recap (March 12, 2026)

Episode Overview

Nick Viall, co-host Natalie Joy, and the Viall Files crew present a jam-packed “Reality Recap” episode, breaking down the series premiere of Age of Attraction, dissecting the Love Is Blind reunion with guest Alex, and diving into the latest drama from Summer House. Featured guests Andrew and Derek from Age of Attraction share raw insights on dating with age differences, fatherhood, and modern masculinity, while Alex from Love Is Blind addresses viewer criticisms and the real stories behind his time on the show. The household debates the success rate of reality TV relationships, male friendship dynamics, and what authenticity means on unscripted television.

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Table of Contents

1. Household Banter and Reality News (01:07–10:47)
2. Age of Attraction Premiere Deep Dive (10:48–22:20)
3. Interview with Andrew & Derek (Age of Attraction) (23:13–42:40)
4. Love Is Blind Reunion Debrief & Interview with Alex (45:35–75:06)
5. Summer House Recap: Crushes, Friendships & Flubs (79:27–107:44)
6. Reflections on Reality TV & Relationship Success (75:55–79:27 & 106:31–107:44)
7. Notable Quotes and Moments
8. Important Timestamps

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Household Banter and Reality News (01:07–10:47)

• Nick’s New Look: The episode opens with playful commentary on Nick’s YSL-inspired tie ensemble and the group jokes about “lost basic skills” among men—including the ability to tie a tie, shoe-polishing, and chivalry in daily life. (01:07–02:47)
• Pop Culture Rundown:
  • The Mormon Wives premiere and production design tactics (03:06–04:55)
  • How reality stardom is transforming cast dynamics: “They’re all huge stars now, and not necessarily on the same level… there’s gonna be a lot of competition.” — Nick (04:09)
  • Observations on how friendships adapt as reality TV fame grows.
• Upcoming Guests and Teases:
  • Nick and Natalie hype up conversations with Andrew and Derek (Age of Attraction), Alex (Love is Blind), and break down what’s on deck for TV recaps: “They’ve done the work on their hearts.” — Female Co-host (08:51)

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Age of Attraction Premiere Deep Dive (10:48–22:20)

First Impressions

• Gorgeous Setting & Format: The hosts rave about the retreat's backdrop, speed dating arrangements, and dramatic editing that keeps the audience guessing ages.
• Justin—Unexpected Fan Favorite:
  • “Protect Justin with everything in my being!” — Natalie Joy (10:58)
  • The group discusses Justin’s vulnerable confession about being older and childless, shifting the perception of masculinity and desirability on TV.
  • “There’s a sadness in his eyes… just needs a hug.” — Mary (11:22)
• Humanizing the Cast:
  • Natalie reflects: “You made me root for a man… broken, defeated… I’ve been missing this in reality television.” (11:16–11:38)
• Tristan’s Social Media Reveal:
  • “He’s the one who, in the trailer, was like, ‘If you’re not as hot as my mom I won’t marry you,’ and then his mom commented.” (12:55)
• Libby’s Star Power:
  • Producers and hosts immediately spot Libby as one to watch: “The second she mentioned Taylor Swift, I was like, she’s one for the people.” (16:59)
• Promise Room Context:
  • Nick clarifies the timeline of “promise rooms” to manage audience expectations: “They didn’t fall in love in a day… it was a couple weeks in the first phase.” (17:22–17:59)
• Audience vs. Cast Blindness on Age:
  • Decision to hide ages from both cast and viewers fosters curiosity and subtle clue-hunting.
  • “I like it better too, because then it makes little context clues stick out a little bit more.” — Natalie Joy (19:20)

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Interview with Andrew & Derek (Age of Attraction) (23:13–42:40)

Motivations and Family Responses (24:02–26:43)

• Both men describe joining the show as a “happy accident,” driven by a desire for a new experience and to challenge themselves.
• Co-parenting Real Talk:
  • Derek: “My oldest son’s mom… we’ve been like buddies for over a decade.” (25:26)
  • Andrew: “I put [my ex] as my emergency contact. They called her thinking she was my sister!” (26:07)

Dating Young, Dating Old—What’s the Difference? (27:27–29:18)

• Andrew: “With the younger, you’re not at the same place in life… with the older, it’s a rush, you’re on date two and she’s asking, ‘Do you want kids?’”
• Both reflect on wanting emotional maturity and a true partnership, regardless of age.

Vulnerability & “Doing the Work”

• Derek describes a year off dating to do therapy: “At the end of the day, I’m the only constant here—I have to look it in the eye and be honest with myself.” (30:17)
• Andrew shares how Nick’s “Ask Nick” podcast helped him during a rough breakup, offering guidance on modern masculinity: “I loved how direct you were… you were really good at calling out fuckboys.” (33:42)

Learning from the Experiment & Each Other

• Derek: “Cutting off outside noise and just trusting your thoughts and your process… not having your best friend tell you she’s too young. That was challenging.” (36:36)
• Andrew notes that, for the first time, he had to emotionally “show up” first, helping Libby feel secure before she opened up.
• Both value the close friendships with other men formed during the show—“One of the best things was the relationships we developed afterwards.” (36:13)

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Love Is Blind Reunion Debrief & Interview with Alex (45:35–75:06)

Reunion Fallout and Guest Amber/Brittany Tease

• High drama: “Someone stormed off within five minutes! I had to rewind.” (45:53)
• Spoiler: Tomorrow’s special features Amber and Brittany unpacking real-life divorce, wedding accusations, and off-camera scandals. (46:04)

Friendship and Betrayal

• The group debates “girl code,” friend responsibility, and what’s truly a red flag (47:03–48:42). Nick: “You don’t have to ask permission. You’re just a bad f***ing friend.” (48:13)
• The consensus: Some cast members failed majorly at friendship transparency, making for compelling reality TV but real-life tension.

Alex (Love Is Blind) Live in Studio (58:08–74:54)

Self-Reflection & Criticism

• Alex acknowledges learning about “patience and proactivity” with partners: “If I identify a trigger point in her past, I need to pull her aside and be open, not just wait for her to ask.” (58:36)
• On the notorious “beard at the wedding” moment: “I didn’t shave for a reason. I didn’t want to walk my mom down the aisle. I wanted to save these things for my real wife.” (63:46)
  • Group responds with incredulity: “What an honor… you saved your grooming for your future wife.” (75:17)
• “The success rate of Love is Blind is 3.5%. That’s actually higher than dating apps.” (75:54)

Authenticity vs. “Playing the Experiment”

• Alex admits he went on the show to challenge his “type”—to see if emotional connection could trump physical, but ultimately admits: “For me, the emotional and the physical are both equal.” (61:20)
• He clarifies timelines, his controversial “period conversation,” why he made certain choices, and addresses criticism toward the guys’ “unfair edit” (67:07–69:17).

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Summer House Recap: Crushes, Friendships & Flubs (79:27–107:44)

• Bailey’s Bad Flirting and Heartbreak: The group debates Bailey’s inability to read her own signals and the ripple effect of unrequited crushes.

  • “It’s so sad her heart got broken that she can’t even hear herself anymore.” — Natalie Joy (79:57)

• The ‘In the Bed’ Debate: Can men and women truly be platonic? Are “flirty friendships” sustainable?

  • “Platonic friendships like this always have an expiration date… it’s a matter of time before someone makes it weird.” — Nick (99:05)
  • The household goes deep on blurred boundaries, Jesse’s “one of the girls” status, and whether male–female friendships can remain ambiguous.

• Wes and Sierra—Will They/Won’t They?

  • Hosts disagree if Wes is pining for Sierra or just not ready for real commitment yet.
  • “Now I think he’s pining for [Sierra] because he got attention from others, but they don’t really want Wes.” — Natalie Joy (88:22)

• Familiarity Breeds Chemistry—But at What Cost?

  • Nick: “Familiarity allows us to feel chemistry, but I think it limits our pool and makes us attracted to people otherwise deeply flawed for us.” (106:09)
  • Reflection on the insular, “high school” nature of reality casts like Summer House or Vanderpump.

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Reflections on Reality TV & Relationship Success (75:55–79:27 & 106:31–107:44)

• Comparison of relationship success rates:
  • Love is Blind: ~3.5%
  • Dating apps: ~2.5%
  • “So technically, you’re more likely to find love on Love Is Blind than dating apps.” — Mary (77:43)
• Discussion about intentionality on dating shows vs. dating apps, and safety/background checks as features of reality TV dating.

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Notable Quotes

• “They’re all friends, and they’re all friendly, but even friends can be competitive… do they remain friends or become competitors?” — Nick, on the evolving Mormon Wives cast (06:09)
• “With the younger, you’re not at the same point in life. With the older, it’s like, let’s do this on date two…” — Andrew (27:32)
• “At the end of the day, I’m the only constant. I had to look it in the eye and be honest with myself.” — Derek, on doing therapy (30:17)
• “She hides behind the jokes… but there’s depth to her once you get her to feel safe.” — Andrew about Libby (39:03)
• “I didn’t shave for a reason. This wasn’t my real wedding—I want to save something for my wife.” — Alex, on his Love Is Blind wedding look (63:46)
• “Love is Blind has a 3.5% success rate, dating apps 2.5%. So actually, you’re more likely to find love on Love is Blind.” — Mary (77:43)
• “Familiarity… allows us to feel chemistry, but I think it limits our pool and makes us attracted to people otherwise flawed for us.” — Nick (106:09)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:07–03:06: Banter, housekeeping, and hot takes on lost “basic skills”
• 10:48–21:27: Age of Attraction speed dating, Justin’s storyline, audience “blindness”
• 23:13–26:43: Andrew & Derek: why they joined the show and co-parenting
• 27:27–36:33: Dating younger vs. older, personal growth, and discovery through the show
• 36:34–42:40: How the experiment changed them, friendships with other men, vulnerability
• 45:35–52:00: Love is Blind reunion critique, preview for Amber and Brittany
• 58:08–74:54: Alex (Love Is Blind) on edit, honesty, physical preferences, and “saving” things for his real wife
• 75:55–77:51: Discussion: success rates of dating TV vs. apps
• 79:27–107:44: Summer House—platonic friendships, messy crushes, and “familiarity chemistry” debate
• 106:09–107:44: Reality TV “chemistry” vs. real-world dating

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Summary Takeaways

• Age of Attraction earns high marks for refreshing vulnerability, reflective casting, and a storytelling format that levels power dynamics between audience and cast.
• The Love Is Blind reunion stirred up controversy over loyalty, friendship, and honesty, exemplified and debunked live by Alex.
• The household delivers sharp, honest, and sometimes hilarious commentary on the nuances of reality TV romance, competition, and lasting connection.
• Audiences are reminded: reality TV isn’t just gossip—it’s a window into evolving beliefs about masculinity, vulnerability, friendship, and what it really means to “do the work” in relationships.
• As Nick puts it: “It’s fun to see you guys figure it out… but for a relationship to really work, you have to respect each other and be each other’s equal.”

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For listeners looking for candid takes, emotional depth, and thorough breakdowns of the latest reality TV drama, this is an essential episode.

Transcript

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[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

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[Nick (Host)]

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[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

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[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

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[Nick (Host)]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the extraordinary, talented Natalie Joy.

[Female Co-host]

Very glammed, Natalie.

[Nick (Host)]

Very glammed up. If you're watching, we do have Age of Attraction press today.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Exciting.

[Female Co-host]

Nick's wearing a tie.

[Nick (Host)]

I'm wearing a tie. I'm going for the like college professor.

[Male Commentator]

No, that's not college professor.

[Nick (Host)]

High school teacher.

[Male Commentator]

No, it's giving like ysl, like modern business casual.

[Mary (Commentator)]

It's giving YSL interpretation of a high school teacher who teaches history and also coaches soccer.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah, I'm like, but it's a YSL interpretation.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Exactly.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. I'm the high school history teacher that is a part time model. Yeah, I got one modeling gig.

[Male Commentator]

Did you tie the tie yourself or is this a clip on?

[Nick (Host)]

My God, that's a clip on.

[Male Commentator]

And they say that as someone who wears a clip on, I can tie myself with the clip on. And it's just more.

[Nick (Host)]

It's embarrassing for any man who doesn't know how to tie a tie or a bow tie. Especially in the year of the Lord 2026. Given that you could just YouTube it. What are some basic skills that men have lost? That they shining their polishing a shoe,

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

humor, chivalry, holding doors open. This man, I just got on the elevator with it today. This morning was so weird. He gets in the elevator after me. I hit the button and he walks in. I go, what button would you like?

[Male Commentator]

Oh my God.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It was like, oh. And then hits it. But it was just kind of like this weird. Like we're instead of just saying good morning. Yeah, like instead of just saying like good morning, hi. Like, whatever. Like, it was just very like Sierra.

[Male Commentator]

My biggest elevator is when you're trying to exit the elevator and the second the door's open, someone shoves their way

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

in and it's like, oh, just common courtesy. I feel like has just gone out the window, honestly.

[Female Co-host]

A lot. A lot.

[Nick (Host)]

All right, well, now we're going to jump into some Age of Attraction shortly. But just a couple housekeeping notes. We do have Vile Files plus which is ad free and some amazing content like Reality Recap Deep Dives where we dive deep and all the shows that we're talking about on Reality Recap.

[Male Commentator]

I did return to this update plus haven't done it in a while but Nick and I handled this one.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I was out of town suggestin popped back in.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, it's a good update.

[Another Male Commentator]

Deep Dive. We talked more about Love is Blind. So that'll be our last Love is Blind Deep Dive. We'll be moving on to other shows.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Maybe Age of Attraction.

[Another Male Commentator]

So definitely check that out if you

[Nick (Host)]

want to hear from the hosts of Age of Attraction and maybe some behind the scenes. Really great place to do that on Vile follows. Plus we also have the Mormon Wives.

[Male Commentator]

Came out today.

[Nick (Host)]

Is out today. Yeah, look forward to watching that.

[Male Commentator]

Did you guys see? I haven't watched yet, but I did see the new intro. Have you guys seen it? I feel like every time they do this, I'm like, what are the logistics of actually making these shots? And maybe it's movie magic and it's all green screen, but I choose to believe it's real, that they're walking through this massive field of like yellow weeds or whatever. And then it's like the blue road of like fabric that they're walking down. You'll get it.

[Female Co-host]

Definitely all green screen for sure.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

They showed us, remember last.

[Male Commentator]

I know they did with the water.

[Another Male Commentator]

I know.

[Male Commentator]

But I'm choosing to believe it's real because then you also see that like Taylor, they're all standing there and then Taylor's the one person on this, like, massive swing standing there in the center.

[Nick (Host)]

Listen, listen, it's. I think this, I mean, this, obviously we love this show. We love these women. It's gonna get more and more fascinating. And I feel like I've seen a couple, like, short, you know, like part of their press tour and I think part of the theme of this season is like, you know, these women are now we're in season four when, you know, season one, it Was like. It was. We knew about Mom Talk. We knew about the scandal. There was a lot of optimism and excitement. You know, the women came into the studio, like, having all, like, watched the Bachelor, and, you know, and these women are all huge stars now. You know, all of them are stars, but they're not necessarily all in the same kind of level. Right. And we, you know, and there's gonna be a lot of competition. They all have their own publicists and reps and managers, and they're all getting these different opportun.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

It.

[Nick (Host)]

It's like so much of the show now, I feel like, is how these women manage that competition and does. Is will it affect the relationships and the competition behind that? Because it's like a very concentrated way of, like, just the whole influencer space in general of, like, just how cutthroat it can be. And if you see someone get an opportunity that's like, you know, similar following, similar, like, brand, you realize that you're like, that person was chosen over me, you know, and. And how do they start managing, you know, those expectations?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

And.

[Nick (Host)]

And will it affect the relationships of all these women?

[Male Commentator]

Well, that's why I brought up the intro, because it's like, you have all these people that are, like, major stars already on their own standing below, and then you have, like, Taylor literally above everybody swinging on a swing, which is a reference to, like, the whole swinging scandal that started all of this Montauk drama. So it's like they're returning and motifing the original stuff. They're big enough to do that now.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Interesting, too, to see, like, how they're going to keep everything together, because it's like, we know that Jen moved to la, so she's out here. And then you, like, permanently, at least temporary, after Dancing with the Stars, they have a house out here because I think Zach's doing work out here or something. So she's chasing acting.

[Male Commentator]

I know Whitney is still with Chicago,

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

and Whitney's in New York, so that's why I'm like. It's very interesting to see how just like, with all of their friendship dynamics and trying to keep everything together, because at least it was like a, you know, small group of friends from Utah, and now it's like.

[Female Co-host]

But was this filming during. This should be Dancing with the Stars.

[Male Commentator]

This should be the Dancing with the Stars.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Male Commentator]

Because last season was them interviewing for the show.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yeah. So then, yeah, this season will be Whitney and Jen and Ella.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I did see Whitney did an interview talking about her opening night and that all of the women showed up for it, which I thought she was like, it was just incredible because obviously, for them to be able to, like, show up.

[Male Commentator]

I hope Mormon Wives continues forever. I already saw that they released some of the titles of the episodes, and one of the episodes is Taylor and Chase. So, like, we kind of saw a glimpse of that last season, and we're gonna, I guess, see more of it now.

[Female Co-host]

Didn't he, like, just get his, like, fifth DUI or something?

[Male Commentator]

He didn't show up to court, you guys.

[Mary (Commentator)]

The toxic part of me loves Chase.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I love this content.

[Male Commentator]

I'll keep Kate, you can keep Chase.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

The.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I think it's the girl from Florida and me that I see Chase, and I'm like, that's a man.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I'm just, like, hoping that the Taylor and Chase episode is, like, her being like, oh, my God. I know we kind of entertained something, but I'm gonna go film the back.

[Male Commentator]

I was gonna say, we already know it's not gonna go anywhere, so.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. And back to, like, them being friends. They're all friends, and they're all friendly, but even friends can be competitive. And then there's again, like, how much of friends do they remain versus how much of competitors do they become? Will be the most interesting part of, like, the trajectory of this show. And will they be able to, like, you know. And again, there's no clear answer. Like, sometimes you're Steve Carell and you're like, hey, I've outlived the Office and it works out. You know, you're George Clooney on er and, like, you bet on yourself and you become a huge movie star. Other people have made that choice, and it didn't work out, you know, and so there's no, like, clear answer. But it's fascinating to see when people think it's the right time for them to, like, that they've outgrown the thing that made them the star. And do they make that? Do they make the right bet? Is it the right time? You know, versus, like, you know, maybe it's a little too early, or maybe they don't have it. You know, it's. It'll be. It's. You know, in this show, these women are just all massive stars, and the show is huge. But, like, I'm sure all of them, to some degree, want to see what success, what sustainable success they can get outside of the show.

[Male Commentator]

All I gotta say is mom talk will always survive.

[Female Co-host]

Well, we have a great episode lined up for you all today. We have Andrew and Derek, two of the men from age of Attraction. You will love them. They are hot and glowing Ages. You all will all be shocked.

[Nick (Host)]

They've done the work.

[Female Co-host]

They've done the work on their hearts. We also have Alex from Love is Blind answering or not answering some questions,

[Nick (Host)]

offering clarity and some confusion.

[Another Male Commentator]

Still more work to do.

[Female Co-host]

Still lots of work to do. But age retraction.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. Well, I don't know how many of you have tuned in to Age of Attraction. We have the very sexy, very.

[Female Co-host]

The daddies.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

The daddies.

[Nick (Host)]

Literally.

[Male Commentator]

Literally. Oh.

[Nick (Host)]

Age of attraction. Mr. Andrew and Mr. Derek join us to talk about a little bit about their experience. We don't want, obviously we want most of you guys to watch it. It's. Maybe some of you binged it, but we did have the Love is Blind reunion. So I can't, can't expect you guys to watch too much TV last night. But we'll talk about the first episode of Age of Attraction as well as get into the reunion of Love is Bl. We also have another fantastic episode of Summer House to break down. Is that all the TV that we watched?

[Mary (Commentator)]

No, it's not.

[Nick (Host)]

There's more.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

There's more.

[Mary (Commentator)]

There's Southern hospitality.

[Nick (Host)]

I haven't tapped into that yet, but it seems the streets are saying it's really good.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I would say that's a. It was a pretty explosive season premiere.

[Male Commentator]

I also think with Vanderpump reboot, people are noticing that Southern hospitality, which they were saying before, is closer to original Vanderpump than the reboot is to actual Vanderpump.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, I feel like in a. I feel like the. You know, maybe it's because it's in la and I think a lot of people they're casting in LA are just influencers. Influencers. They moved here for a hope and a dream. And it feels like the Southern hospitality people are true reality TV stars in the sense that they're like, just whatever I need to do for the bit.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Maddie Reese, the dj, she's been on tour this entire time. And I love that when she came back to, like, film Southern hospitality, she's like, I just got back from a 40 city tour. Like, I'm exhausted. Like, I'm home. Like, like, as if it's like, okay, you're about to film the most dramatic reality TV show. And she goes, calm, we'll get into it.

[Male Commentator]

I have so many thoughts.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Age of Attraction, I got. I watched it. I watched the first episode. Y' all very impressed. First of all, the backdrop of their speed dating. Absolutely gorgeous. Where y' all filmed.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Second of all protect Justin with everything in my bean. I don't think I've ever gotten so into just like, screaming at the television, being like, I hope he gets chosen.

[Mary (Commentator)]

He has a smolder. Did you notice his little, like, smolder that he does?

[Male Commentator]

He does have a smolder.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

He's the definition of like, daddy.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

You know, he's gonna.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Y' all made me root for a

[Nick (Host)]

man, but he's like, fit, but also like, dead bod.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

But there's like a sadness in his eyes.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Very humanizing.

[Male Commentator]

Uh huh.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah. Just needs a hug.

[Female Co-host]

He's the sweetest man ever.

[Nick (Host)]

Is that how you like your men? Lost all hope.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

No, but I'm just like, I like him on tv like that I've been missing this. Reality television.

[Nick (Host)]

Broken, defeated.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah. Maybe just need a little bit of a.

[Male Commentator]

He specifically said something that I've never heard before. And this is just because I'm younger, I think. But he said, like, when you reach a certain age and you don't have kids, it's seen as, like, not a red flag. But he just said people, like, question it, which is very.

[Nick (Host)]

I mean, as you get older, whether you don't have kids or you have a couple failed relationships, there's definitely the, what's wrong with you? Like, why haven't you been able to land this plane yet? You know?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

He said, maybe someday it'll happen, maybe not. It's going to happen for you.

[Nick (Host)]

No, it was so heartfelt that you're like, is he acting?

[Female Co-host]

No, I didn't.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

My heart went out for him the entire time.

[Nick (Host)]

It was. I know he wasn't acting.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It's just, like, fan favorite for me. And I'm like, oh, my God, is Fennell gonna pick him or Jorge? I don't know, but I really hope he gets picked.

[Nick (Host)]

I was bummed. One of the. I'm curious what people are going to think of Aaron.

[Female Co-host]

She chatted with Tristan, the one with the hair.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Oh, she.

[Nick (Host)]

She's older.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Let's talk about the two of them.

[Male Commentator]

I discover Tristan is like an influencer on Instagram.

[Nick (Host)]

That's not shocking.

[Male Commentator]

Like, I just, like, was scrolling through and I was like, wait, this looks like the guy from the episode. And I was like, oh, my God, this is literally him. Because then he posted his cast photo.

[Female Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Male Commentator]

He travels the world and I've seen him before.

[Female Co-host]

He's the one who, in the trailer was like, if you're not as hot as my mom, I won't marry you. And then his mom Commented being like, that's my son. And then he commented being like, hope my mom never sees this.

[Male Commentator]

Oh.

[Mary (Commentator)]

As soon as he came on camera and said that his sexual awakening was to Kim Zolciak in that parking lot, I was like, oh, we're. We're making tv, baby. I was like, this. I was like, this is a TV show. Okay. I sat. I sat my ass down and I listened. When he came on the screen, he's

[Another Male Commentator]

like, we got to send that to Kim.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kim, you gotta. You gotta take it out.

[Another Male Commentator]

By the way, Teresa is awesome. Like, having her in the studio the other day, she is such a kind, sweet badass.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Her energy just completely lights up her room. And watching her and John just hit it off was really, really sweet.

[Female Co-host]

It like, watching their. Their lot. Like, you're like, I was like, giddy on the couch. I was like, oh, my God. Like, watching her, I like, I feel what she's feeling.

[Male Commentator]

I'm Prince Harry looking for my Meghan. You think it would be kind of

[Female Co-host]

a cliche, but I did have brown hair once.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Literally, exactly.

[Mary (Commentator)]

She's perfect. No, she's perfect. She's a star on screen.

[Female Co-host]

What did y' all think of Chloe, who, as soon as she sat down, she was like, how much money?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Oh, my God.

[Another Male Commentator]

Loved it. And then he's like, wait, for real? She's like, no, no, it's. But what do you do for work?

[Female Co-host]

But what do you do for work?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

He said, whoa, girl.

[Nick (Host)]

Damn. Is it, what do you do for work?

[Female Co-host]

Basically, it's the same thing.

[Nick (Host)]

It's the same question.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It's ballpark.

[Nick (Host)]

It's what do you make? It's like, what's your status? Yeah, you definitely might have some follow up question questions because there's some bad and poor lawyers out there.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

She said lawyer. It's like, what kind of lawyer?

[Nick (Host)]

Pro bono.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It's like charity. We love that, though.

[Male Commentator]

They could say accountant, and that means more than one thing. Curveball.

[Another Male Commentator]

Curveball. You guys did say, nothing's off limits other than your age.

[Male Commentator]

So I did really like Nick, Natalie, when you guys opened the retreat, like, I thought that was really cute because I think I like when the hosts aren't dominating it. But you guys are the example of what you're trying to do in this retreat.

[Nick (Host)]

So I don't know, we told the story, but we. We were like, you know, hi, we're Nick and Natalie, and, you know, we are 18 years apart. And everyone clapped and it was like.

[Male Commentator]

They did? Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Female Co-host]

We're like, that has never happened.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Savor at this moment. Literally, it's usually like, oh, you guys know.

[Male Commentator]

Did you know what you were saying going up to, like, that specific moment? Like, did you have, like, a breakdown speech of what you wanted to say about yourself, or was it kind of just like, let me say our three sentences that make sense?

[Nick (Host)]

We didn't go and wing it.

[Male Commentator]

That's what I was wondering.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, it definitely is. Not like, hey, just go talk.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

No, I mean, like, our job as hosts is to be that middle ground between, like, giving the cast information about what they're supposed to do next. But we're also, at the same time, speaking to the audience, you know, and kind of setting up the next scene.

[Male Commentator]

So did you guys get to actively watch the speed dating, or did you walk in and then walk out?

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, no, don't. We were the first full day we hung out. We were there all day.

[Male Commentator]

That's cool.

[Nick (Host)]

We were watching all the people dating.

[Male Commentator]

And was it kind of like your favorites and could you actively hear every single conversation, or was it kind of like you're poking around?

[Female Co-host]

We were in, like, the control room for a lot of it, and they were kind of like bouncing, you know, different conversations. And so, like, listening in on this. You know, there's producers everywhere listening to every conversation, right? And then they're like, oh, this person's interesting. Click in. And so, like, executive producer would click into that conversation and listen to it.

[Nick (Host)]

So you got the director and our showrunner, David Freeman, the executive producer, and then Rebecca and Jen, the executive producers, the creators of the show. You know, they're all watching, right? And so there's. There's various moments, you know, when they go into the kind of confessionals, you know, they're watching that they're, like, picking up on certain dates. There's about. They're bouncing around and trying to find, like, cool moments, like. And immediately I knew Libby was a star.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Oh, yeah?

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Male Commentator]

The second she mentioned Taylor Swift, I was like, she's one for the people.

[Mary (Commentator)]

When the guy she was talking to was like, yeah, I really love. What does he say? Desperado by the Eagles.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And then she's like, I love Taylor Swift. I was like, well, yeah.

[Female Co-host]

He was like, I'm David. And she was like, that's my dad's name. And he was like, do you like your dad?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

She was like, yeah, Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

I do think there's an important note given that I think people should know, you know, because we got to see Jon and Theresa go into the Promise Room. At the end of episode one, they didn't fall in love in a day.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Right.

[Nick (Host)]

So the way we, we shot it, you know, all the promise rooms are happening at the same phase. Very like love is blind. Right. Like as we've, as we've watched over the years, you know, they'll always show like an engagement at the end of episode one and then episode two and things like that. And then when we get to talk to cast, they're always talking about, even on the show, they're talking about this kind of like they're talking about proposal day.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Uh huh.

[Nick (Host)]

Right.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Because it all happens on the same day where they're just.

[Nick (Host)]

And I only point that out because I don't think, I don't want people thinking that like John and Teresa are like not didn't take the time to get to know each other and actually spend some, you know, go on these dates. And the days that led up to it was like a couple weeks, that first phase of the show. Now obviously like we want to see John and Teresa. So like they're going to showcase, you know, this couple, you know, because obviously again, so much of the show is to explore these age differences, you know, to see someone like Teresa, this kind of youthful, beautiful woman who's like out there working and you know, we don't know her age yet, but we, we know she's older. Right. We just don't know how old. Dating this guy who, you know, clearly younger than her. But they clearly have this instant strong connection and it's, you know, it's fun to watch.

[Male Commentator]

I was gonna say what I found really fun was that I don't know their ages either. So it's kind of like we're blind to the experiment as well. And we're also guessing and we're just as the audience forced to watch it as just pure connections and then find out what them.

[Female Co-host]

No, I'm definitely glad they did it that way. I know there was obviously there was like, how should we. Should the audience be in on it? You know, like. Or should the audience also not know and it be a shock for everybody? And I'm so glad they made that. They did.

[Nick (Host)]

I at first thought they maybe should show the ages, but they definitely made the right call.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I like it better too, because then it makes like little context clues stick out a little bit more. Like for example, Teresa and John having that conversation about A League of Their Own. And then he was like, she's like, yeah, Madonna's in it. And he was pretty much like, oh my God. Oh My God.

[Nick (Host)]

A League of Their Own is one of my favorite movies.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I'm sorry. When she said, you have a lot to learn or I have a lot to teach you, that was so hot.

[Male Commentator]

I was like, by the way, Mary would throw everybody off in this experiment because she would know all the old references and, like, young and old people would be like, what is any of

[Mary (Commentator)]

this stuff, you guys? If I walked into that soiree, if there were some people that are ready to make some drastic lifestyle changes, I think I could do pretty well.

[Another Male Commentator]

Wait, that's actually really good for season two. They should cast someone like Mary, who's like an old soul, who's really young but knows so much more about any 60 year old than any 60, but

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

also knows everything about current day pop culture.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A Swiftie, but also into Larry Manilow,

[Mary (Commentator)]

Bob Dylan and Pink Panthers. Really have a lot in common if you think about it.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I can't with you.

[Female Co-host]

They'd be like, how old are you?

[Male Commentator]

You'd be the big question.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Never know. And my glasses, they're not helping me out.

[Female Co-host]

What did you think of Jorge referring to himself as pk?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Pastor's kid. I went, pk. Yeah.

[Another Male Commentator]

Mary, you are a pk.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I am that.

[Female Co-host]

Have you ever referred to yourself as a pk?

[Mary (Commentator)]

Not. I have never referred to myself as a pk. I think a lot of other people around me and in my family did, and I always term pastor's kid.

[Nick (Host)]

How old do you think Jorge is?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

More than 10 years older than Vanille.

[Male Commentator]

He's giving, like, 52, 53.

[Female Co-host]

What did you think of Justin and Vanille's kiss?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

The picnic table? The. Stop looking at me like that. Like I'm feeling giddy like a kid.

[Male Commentator]

It's the suave. Because then he's calm in that moment.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yes.

[Male Commentator]

And it makes it hotter.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That's why I said he, like, has, like, levels to him that I very much appreciate. Right. He's super vulnerable. He's super honest with, like, how he's feeling and, like, about himself. But then it's like he has, like, this moment where it's like all of a sudden this, like, like, unassumed swag came out and he was just like, oh, look at you.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And then when he leaned in for the.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I know. I was like, that's the kind of, like, gusto I want to see from, like, a nice guy, you know, there's just not enough out out there.

[Female Co-host]

I feel like John and Teresa's first kiss was smooth too. He was like, I'm just gonna go for it and like leaned in. I was like, I like it.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Especially her. She, she loved that. You know, she's like, thank you. Don't make me do anything.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, we are excited to see you guys watch more episodes over the weekend, but right now we have two of the daddies of age of Andrew and Derek are with us to talk about their initial experience on the show. Now some of the things that you might hear in this interview will be referenced in the first five episodes. So a bit of a spoiler for those of you who don't want to know too much about their ages or who they end up connecting with. But Andrew and Derek are up next.

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[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Thanks for having us.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

How you guys doing to see you guys Good.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Excited to be here.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Glad to be here for sure.

[Female Co-host]

Well, we've been asking everyone. Obviously we've been talking to the whole cast. Kind of like the reasoning behind going on the show. Obviously it's a different approach. Something a lot of People may or may not have ever done before. So I guess. Andrew, what made you want to do Age of Attraction?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

So it was an opportunity that kind of fell into my lap. I didn't really go out seeking it, and it was just, like, a really good time in my life. Like, it was a time where I was able to step away from my business. And I think it was also just, like, a time where I was, like, looking for something. Like, I was looking for a life experience, something different. I was seeing single at the time. Again, I was able to step away from my business, and I just feel like everything just kind of came together and was like, okay, this is a good opportunity. Why don't you go take it and see what happens?

[Female Co-host]

Derek, what about you?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, same. It was an opportunity fell in my lap. I. I've dated, like, all ages, so having a conversation, I'm like, this is kind of right up my alley. It should be somewhat natural. And I did want to step outside my comfort zone a little bit as well. I'd, like, been a year single, not really pressing today. And I'm like, this will probably be a good opportunity, a good experience. Maybe meet someone. We'll see how it goes.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

So.

[Female Co-host]

Well, both y' all have kids. You both have two. Two girls, two boys. What was kind of the reaction of, like, baby mamas? I was like, hey, we're gonna go

[Nick (Host)]

on this show and date crazy.

[Female Co-host]

Date some people that. You might watch it on Netflix.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

So, yeah. Were they supportive, or was it kind of like, you know, what, do your thing?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah. So my oldest son's mom, like, we have a great relationship, and it's. He's 16. Like, we've been just, like, buddies for over a decade, right? So my youngest son's mom, she was like, back and forth. So she was like, yeah, great. Go do it. And then I would get, like, a slick comment hearing, like, great, you're gonna go get married.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Dom's gonna have a stepmom.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

I'm like, where's this coming from? You know? But ultimately, she was supportive.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Supportive, yeah.

[Male Commentator]

And you have.

[Female Co-host]

You have a good relationship.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, we have a good relationship. I mean, I think she was as supportive as she could be given the circumstances.

[Nick (Host)]

She was like, I'm not signing you up for this.

[Female Co-host]

She's like, I'm not gonna be speaking on your behalf, but you can.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Funny story. I put her as my emergency contact. And she called.

[Nick (Host)]

Yes.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

And they called her, thinking she was my sister. And she was nice enough to be like, I'm not.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

She's Like I can pass along, pass

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

along a few numbers to you. So that's funny. Yeah. But no, we have a great relationship. And do I think she'll watch the show? I don't know. I don't, I don't think that she will. But she's always been super supportive of me and my dreams and business ventures and this. But do I think she'll watch? I'm not sure about that.

[Male Commentator]

Okay.

[Nick (Host)]

You guys are like my fellow age ambiguous people. You know, where it's like, how old are you, Derek?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

You know?

[Nick (Host)]

You know, you look shockingly young.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, somebody said I had plastic surgery.

[Nick (Host)]

Really? Well, I can say from personal experience, get ready for the opinions about why you look the way you do that have nothing to do with your genetics or moisturizing. And yes, people will just take care of yourself. Yeah, people will have a lot of crazy things to say.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

But God forbid a guy has a good skincare routine, right?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Why can't just take care of yourself?

[Nick (Host)]

But what was your dating lives like prior to going on this show? And specifically, I imagine you guys have both dated younger women prior to the show. And I'm just curious, you know, Andrew, we got to see, like when you found out about Libby's age, you kind of had a oh, not again kind of response. So I, you know, I guess back to what my original question, like, what were you hoping for? And did you assume that you might end up dating younger women or like, what was your mindset going in? And then I'm curious, like, I mean,

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

I went in like, super open minded. But I also too probably in the back of my head why it kind of took me a little bit to get there, was that I was hoping to maybe find someone a little bit older and lean into that. But I mean, you can't help who you like and who you end up falling with. My history, previously it was a little rocky I guess to say, like kind of. I've dated younger and older. I think what you get with younger sometimes is you're not at the same place in life, you're not at the same place emotionally. But then with the older, what I've found is it's kind of like a rush. Like, hey, you're here in your life, I'm here. Let's just do this. You're on like date two and it's like, do you want kids? When do you want to get married? And I'm like, I want to see if we even like each other for the first month before we like go down here. So I Don't know. I was kind of in a place where like the last two were younger. Do I try something different? But then also trying to stay open to it. So I think, you know, that's why I was. My reaction probably was like, ugh, because, you know, the last two were younger and it. And it didn't work. And it was because. Because we were at different places in our lives.

[Nick (Host)]

That's interesting that you mentioned that. And with both you being fathers, like when I met Natalie, like, I wasn't a father yet and I had always wanted to be one. And a big reason why we did work out is because Natalie communicated very early on that she always had a desire to be a relatively young mom. And I was like, I'm ready to have kids as soon as I meet the right person. And so obviously that that worked out. But for you guys, I'm curious, it must be a little different because you guys, guys both have kids. I'm assuming. It seemed. The impression I got from both of you guys is that like, maybe you're open to having kids, but like, if it didn't happen, you're like, I have, I got two kids and I'm really grateful for what I have. So you were more like kind of on the fence, I imagine, when you were dating prior to this. For dating women who didn't have kids yet but wanted to have kids, it was probably something that got pressed pretty early in those dating experiences.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, yeah, it did. I'd say same as them. I dated across the board. They typically are younger. It's just happened that way and total transparency. I took like a year off from dating seriously before the show. Like I, I did like the whole therapy thing because I'm like, at the end of the day, I'm the only constant in this. So I have to look it in the eye and be honest with myself and see some areas where I can improve. So when I came into the experience, you know, I was like, okay, these were the areas I'm weak and I can go into this open minded and say, okay, this is what I need from a partner. And so it wasn't necessarily an age thing. It was like, I want positive energy, you know, I like conversation, someone that's doing things independently, on their own, all of that. And as far as with kids, yeah, like, like you said, I was definitely open to having more. And we talked about it, Pfeiffer and I did on the show. So I would say Pfeiffer's probably was very different than what I've dated Overall, but like those qualities, the positive energy and things like that, that was what I was looking for. So. Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

What about you?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

What was the question?

[Nick (Host)]

I was just more curious about like. Yeah, is the kids conversation with you guys being fathers, how much did that

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

come up in the past or.

[Nick (Host)]

No, like in the past. Because again, like, I don't know what it's like to be in your shoes to like have kids, be content.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

I also, I'll say this too. I also dated someone that had kids like the year prior. And so my thinking at that time was, okay, okay, she's already had kid. I already have kids. Don't have to worry about it. We're good. Then when we started dating, I was like, shit, this is a lot. Like we have been blamed A lot of kids. We got a lot of kids. This house has got a lot bigger than I'm gonna have to buy.

[Male Commentator]

Right?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

So like, maybe that may not be the road to go.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

That's a no for me. Like I don't want to a joint family. Like I. You have to accept my baggage. But like, I just, I'm sorry. Like, it's just we all have our thing things, you know, like that's my thing.

[Nick (Host)]

This might be only interesting to me. I'll flatter myself. But like when I, when you first met, you had mentioned that you like listen to Ask Nick episodes. Yeah, one, thanks for listening, but most of our audience is women and so I'm curious, how did you discover Asknik episodes and why? And I'm just. What made you interested in something like that?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

It's so crazy. I mean, even being here is like just a very surreal. It's very like a full circle moment for me. So it was I guess like three or four years ago, I was traveling back and forth a lot to Chicago. I was renovating a space out there with my ex business partners and I was like going through a breakup and just. It was a little toxic. And a friend of mine was like, you should listen to Nick's podcast. And I'm like, who's this guy Nick? And it is true. It's like mostly like advice for women, I would say, but I feel like it translates both ways.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, I don't find it to be advice for women. It's mostly through my lived experiences. This is just mostly women calling in and asking for advice. So I'm just.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, for.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

For me it was just like I loved how direct you were and I think the advice is extremely relatable. And I just remember like the worst times for me is like, like kind of when I was sitting at the airport and you have that time to think and you're on the airplane and your mind wants to wander to Wi Fi doesn't work.

[Nick (Host)]

Exactly.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

And you're liking your thoughts. So I just remember like, always making sure I had a episode or two downloaded for the flight and it just did. It got me through like a weird period in my life. And I feel like the advice that you were given, whether it was for, you know, a guy or someone calling in, which is again, mostly girls, like you said, but it was just like, so direct and to the point and. And you also are very good at calling out fuckboy. And there was just little tidbits in there that it's like, okay, that's where like, I know I need to be better too. So, yeah, that's how I got started. So when I came walking in to the, the opening scene and I was like, holy shit, that's Nick. I'm like, this is very, you know, surreal and full circle for me.

[Nick (Host)]

And like, you know, obviously, like, it's, it's cool to have someone who listens to your. But specifically the reason I just wanted to ask is because, you know, I think Natalie and I talked about this while we were watching it. And I think something we're just proud of as being hosts of this show is that I think this show did a great job of casting some, like, high quality people with complicated pasts and interesting perspective on relationships. Certainly we're all imperfect, but, you know, I didn't know that you took a year off of dating and kind of focused on yourself and did some therapy, but. And someone like yourself, like, regardless, you know, the fact that whether you thought my advice was helpful or not, but like, the intention that you had to like, listen to that type of content because we just don't see that from a lot of guys out there. Like, I, you know, I don't, I don't tailor my asnic episodes for women. I just tailor for anyone who's interested in this topic. And so I think it's. It's cool to see the men that we casted at least, like, be reflective and be interested in like, you know, just talking about their past behaviors or just reflecting on their past relationships and just like, being vulnerable with that. I think it's not shocking to, to realize that after getting to know you guys, but it's cool to see. Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah, a lot of great, great, great group of guys.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, a lot of great relationships we develop like, like staying in touch with the guys afterwards, that was, like, one of the best things I'd say for sure.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

For sure.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Coming out of it.

[Female Co-host]

Like, y' all remained pretty close?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Oh, absolutely.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

And some of the stories, like, just learning from each other. That's great.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

What did you guys learn about yourselves through this experience?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

I would say the biggest thing that was, like. It was also challenging was like, cutting off the outside noise, disconnecting from your phone, social media and all that. That and just trusting your thoughts and your process. Right. Like, not having your best friend or a friend telling you, like, she's too young or she's completely different or why the hell are you going through this at all?

[Nick (Host)]

Did you find that helpful or almost? Did you feel, like, at a disadvantage to not have some of these system at first?

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

I found it like, a disadvantage at first. Like, I've. Because I was. It's so uncomfortable. Like, it's so not. Not the norm. But then after a while, it's like. Like it was just Pfeiffer and I. Right. So it's like, I'm just trusting what we're going through together, and I don't really give a shit about, you know, what anyone has to say about it. This is what I chose and I trust it. So

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

probably that I wasn't showing up in relationships, like, how I needed to show up. For example, in past relationships, I'm always the one that, like, needs. I need them to, like, show up for me. I need them to, like, give, give, give. And I'm like, I don't give too much until they're ready to, like, kind of go. And then I'm like, oh, no. Like, I'll open up more. I'll be more vulnerable. I'll change this, I'll change that. You know, that wasn't going to work with Libby. Like, I almost had to be the one giving to get her to feel secure and get her to feel safe and be able to be vulnerable with me. So I think for me, it was like, I, you know, if you want to have a healthy relationship, if you want someone to meet you, you have to meet them halfway. And I don't think that I probably did that. Well, actually not probably. I didn't do that in past relationships until it was at a point where it's like, okay, now I have to. And that wasn't sincere either. You know, when it. You're not really showing up when someone's leaving. You're just doing it kind of to. To save it. So I think that was it of, like, you need to show up in for relationships how, you know, your partner does and meet them halfway.

[Nick (Host)]

Great answer. I appreciate that. I'm curious, while filming, were there any moments where you felt like Libby was really meeting you at your level and demonstrating that she could be someone that you could really rely on and emotionally connect with?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

You know, I don't know how much you'll see on the show, but, like, we would stay up until 3, 4am Just, you know, talking about our childhood and our parents and just, like, things that are, you know, more deep than probably some of the surface level banter that you'll see between the two of us. And, you know, it just. She hides behind the jokes and, you know, but there's definitely, like, another side to her that's, like, deep. Once you kind of get her to feel safe with you, there was also

[Female Co-host]

a moment you open up to her about your past playing soccer. Her response to that, I felt like, show that. I remember Nick and I were like, period. Libby, like, she. She really showed that side in that moment, and I think that really showed just her depth. And it was just. She just gave you really good advice.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah, Libby would give me great advice during the show. She. She surprised me quite often.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Cause, I mean, that's what I've learned in my relationship with. With Natalie. But, yeah, like, you just. They have to be your equal. Like. Like, it's, you know.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Again, I don't care what age you are, man, woman, if you're attractive, you can get along for a period of time.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

You know, and you can have a. A wonderful, fun weekend. But for a relationship to really work and have it be meaningful, like, you have to respect each other and you have to be able to go to that person for advice, and they have to, you know, they truly have to be your equal. And it's, you know, part of this, you know, show is. Is kind of exploring these relationships, obviously, and it was fun to see you guys kind of figure that out along the way.

[Female Co-host]

Derek, what did you think of in the trailer when Pfeiffer's mom's like, but you hated babysitting.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

That was hilarious.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah. So I learned a lot from just talking to her before meeting her mom and dad that she said, like, this is so against what I've been, like, what my parents know me to be, you know, so they'll probably have a lot of questions if it's them that are.

[Nick (Host)]

For me in my early 20s, I was trying to live up to the expectations I set for myself when I was a teenager. You know, when you're a teenager, you're like, I'm gonna do this, I'm not gonna do that. Blah, blah, blah. And then. And then life happens. And with. Sometimes we have these like moments for like, I promise myself. I think as we get older, we're like, promise myself tomorrow.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Did she feel a little bit younger relative to maybe other women you had D. Yeah.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Inexperienced in some areas, I'd say, because I was just. I'm just more go with the flow. If you really, you know, have a connection, you can make it work. So I just wanted to just focus like on our process. That was like the message I was trying to convey to her. Like, I know you have this checklist that you need to get down, but let's worry about making each other stronger and then we can get to the checklist together. Right.

[Nick (Host)]

You know, on the flip side though, I know when Nally moved year, it was definitely a transition.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

We had to like, you know, I took things for granted.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah. I was living in Georgia. I like completely uprooted my. I knew nobody here. I had only been here once.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

That's different. Georgia.

[Female Co-host]

No friends. I only knew him. I was like, I guess I'll get an apartment. And then I'm like, well, then I'll. I only know you.

[Nick (Host)]

So like.

[Male Commentator]

Right.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, we appreciate you guys coming, stopping by. It's great to catch up with you both. Excited to see how things unfold for you both with both the relationship. We're getting to watch and thanks for being part of this.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Thanks for having us.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Enjoyed it.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Thanks.

[Male Commentator]

Thank you.

[Nick (Host)]

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[Another Male Commentator]

These two men are very striking, I will say. They could literally be cast in like Riverdale and I wouldn't bat an eye.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yes.

[Female Co-host]

They could play high school. They could play CW

[Another Male Commentator]

channel specifically.

[Male Commentator]

I like literally see that. That's so accurate.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That is so niche and so accurate.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

It's so tr.

[Another Male Commentator]

Because they all look like.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, absolutely. Listen, and like I said last week, solid guys. Yeah, we found out Derek, before coming on the show took a year off of dating and got into therapy. I love that, you know, just things weren't working out for him.

[Female Co-host]

And then Andrew listening to Ask Nick.

[Nick (Host)]

Andrew like was an avid Ask Nick listener.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Did he ever call in?

[Female Co-host]

No, he was like, I took a lot of flights and I just would like made sure I always had a couple episodes downloaded before the flight.

[Nick (Host)]

And like, listen, regardless of, of, you know, obviously I'm flattered he listened to me. But like, you know, most, like I said to Andrew, like, most of our listeners and our callers are women and I honestly think it's a huge green flag for, you know, men like Andrew and Derek to like on their own as single men, like listen to content that like might like help them like process their emotions and feelings. Like that's something I wish more men would be open to doing. And I think it just speaks to like, yeah, the. It seems like we have some high quality guys.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah. Nick, I feel like you hit the jackpot with these two at least. I'm excited to see more of the rest of the men. But these are two men that are doing the work to find what they need versus testing things out to figure out what they want. You know what I mean?

[Nick (Host)]

Well, we did have the Love is Blind reunion last night.

[Female Co-host]

I thought it was pretty good.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, someone stormed off within the first five minutes, so I had to rewind.

[Male Commentator]

I was like, wait, hold on. What did I miss? And I love, love Amber. She's one of my favorites. But I was just like, wa.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, speaking of Amber, we are excited to announce that tomorrow we do have a going deeper with Amber and Brittany. Amber is in studio with us. Brittany joins as well. We really unpack the divorce between Jordan and Amber. We get into the whole, like, wedding accusation.

[Another Male Commentator]

I will say I'm excited to hear more of what Amber says, because I did feel a little confused after watching the reunion. Exactly what happened there with the car and the wedding? I was a little confused. Confused.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. Well, she unpacks it, and I. My jaw is on the floor.

[Male Commentator]

Her and Britney, I'm like, both of them, like, their storylines. I feel like there was stuff that I was missing. The whole girl code. And Priyanka and the trip to the concert. I was like, to Austin. That was also the work trip that you're actually sleeping in a girl's room. And then the girls didn't tell you, which I get. They didn't know, but, like.

[Another Male Commentator]

But they're all very close.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Have an Airbnb ready. He did not.

[Female Co-host]

But also, I. I, like, am I alone here? That these, like. I know Priyanka said several times, like, we are not close.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, we are not close.

[Female Co-host]

We are not close. So I don't blame her because they are not close.

[Male Commentator]

No, you're right.

[Female Co-host]

But Ashley and Bri, I feel like they are. And the fact, like, the second that my friend's man is like, oh, I'll come with you. Like, okay, well, then I'm texting my friend and being like, oh, it's gonna come out Beyonce once.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It's gonna come up, even if it's not even, like, red flag for me. Like, if we're friends, we're talking, like, oh, my God, yeah, I'm headed out to Vegas or wherever they were.

[Female Co-host]

You're gonna know.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Greg, are you. Are you coming? Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's just. There's the way that there was, like, no communication between these people at all. Made zero. You're not close whatsoever.

[Another Male Commentator]

You're not close. There's no way I go on a trip, right, with. With. With Mary, and Connor comes, and I don't tell Sierra about it.

[Nick (Host)]

That's crazy. No, but imagine. Imagine if there were rumblings that, like, Sierra and Connor were, like, you know, not getting along or, like, you know, maybe there's some, like, falling off their Wedding.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Oh, my God.

[Female Co-host]

You guys reach out to Sierra.

[Nick (Host)]

You don't ch.

[Female Co-host]

Babe, I'm with your man. And he's, like, kind of saying that y' all caught it off. Are you okay?

[Another Male Commentator]

Well, then Bri, under her breath was like, why did I need to even tell her anything? I'm like, no.

[Female Co-host]

Her being like, I didn't know I had to ask permission. Yeah, yeah, ask permission.

[Nick (Host)]

You don't have to ask permission. You're just a bad fucking friend.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I would also be texting, being like, hey, girl, your man's trying to stay at my Airbnb. It's a little weird. Like, is he good?

[Female Co-host]

Literally, like, can we get a hotel?

[Male Commentator]

You know, what probably happened was because devonte was like, yeah, we were just hanging out, and then they mentioned it, and then I. I was like, I'm going. I feel like it was one of those things where you're like, yeah, you can come, but you don't actually invite the person.

[Female Co-host]

Or, like, you would think maybe he.

[Nick (Host)]

No. Pictures would go.

[Female Co-host]

No, you'd think, like, right, Right.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That's weird.

[Another Male Commentator]

Suspicious.

[Nick (Host)]

Really? How did that happen?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You didn't know? Suspicious.

[Another Male Commentator]

No stories, no nothing. Y' all follow each other on Facebook.

[Male Commentator]

Single, like, concert post fit pic, getting ready.

[Nick (Host)]

He went to a concert and was off the grid.

[Another Male Commentator]

That is a really good word.

[Nick (Host)]

But the girls post pictures, and he conveniently not in it.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yeah, it's sketchy as f. Also the

[Female Co-host]

fact that, like, it was the three of them who had that conversation with Chris about Jess and, like, when he was like, I just got to tell y', all, like, she just, like, told me she was a professional dancer, and, like, she just, like, doesn't work out, and she doesn't do anything, and I just, like, can't get. And they were all like, well, she's not morbidly obese.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Another Male Commentator]

Oh, my God.

[Female Co-host]

She's also, like, not even close.

[Another Male Commentator]

That is not how you defend the friends.

[Male Commentator]

And, you know, it actually owned up to it. And that's what I appreciate when she was like, you are so right. Like, I did not do that the right way. We should have been better friends. Like, so sad. That was what needed to be said, and I'm glad.

[Nick (Host)]

Listen. Spoiler alert. Listen to the episode with Amber and Brittany. Bree's the real villain.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Whoa.

[Nick (Host)]

That story.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Spoiler shots fire for me. No, you've got me. Clickbait. I'm in.

[Male Commentator]

No, I have so many questions. I feel like this is. This is honestly for me, and I may be wrong. The first love is bind reunion. In a while where, like, the women are divided amongst themselves, because I feel like usually it's like women versus men. Like, this was also, like, the girls

[Nick (Host)]

were on one bad apple.

[Male Commentator]

Well, the girls have their own alliances. You can see it's Amber, Jess, and Britney. And then it's like, Ashley, Priyanka, and Bri or whatever.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And Devontae and devontae.

[Female Co-host]

Devo. Wait, Devo?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Male Commentator]

No, when she said Devo, I was

[Female Co-host]

like, oh, oh, they're close.

[Male Commentator]

The same.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

God bless Vanessa. But Vanessa really trying to be in on the friend group. And she goes, okay, so when you were with Devo, and I was like, girl, you just heard that tonight.

[Female Co-host]

I know. Look, if that is your nickname, why did we never, like. I didn't even, like, Brie introduced us as Breezy. We heard that. You know, Sparkle, Meg. We heard that. You know, we get the nickname sometime. Never heard that. It felt very personal for Bri to be like, well, when we were out with lunch with Devo, and we were, like, talking.

[Male Commentator]

It was casual.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah. Yes.

[Nick (Host)]

But also, we've been talking about Alex being the great liar. The level of confidence and sloppiness for devontae to tell his maybe fiance, maybe girlfriend, Hard to say from. Well, I mean, Brittany. It seems like she doesn't really know where they stand because he's not really being honest about where they stand. But to lie about going to a different state for a work trip and then go to a different state with, like, friends. I don't know what this relationship, but clearly this group talks. And to think that's not gonna come up while simultaneously asking these girls you're hanging out with to, like, clearly, like, not post pictures or, you know, Aaron BB and things.

[Female Co-host]

He also just, like, never even really owned up to that.

[Nick (Host)]

No, he's just kind of like, yeah, you know, I.

[Male Commentator]

What did he say where. He was saying something like, there was a couple weeks where we were off and I decided to go or something. Like, I was like, wait, hold on. That's a detail that doesn't fit into anybody's story at this point.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

That feels like something you told yourself to, like, say this.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah. It sounds like you ghosted her for

[Female Co-host]

two weeks, and then you're like, oh, no, we're Rogan.

[Mary (Commentator)]

What I really love about love is block line is you really get to see the way people lie.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

The way that he. Devontae, caught with his pants down, didn't expect daddy to get the microphone. He was like, yeah. He was like, did you lie to me?

[Male Commentator]

And he's like question after question after question. It wasn't even like, okay, cool.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And I loved that. I said, yeah, give Britney's dad her moment, because that was a really cute bonding moment between the two of you. And if you were acting that whole time, knowing that you weren't gonna marry her. Yeah.

[Another Male Commentator]

What parents?

[Mary (Commentator)]

Get him, daddy.

[Male Commentator]

But that also did it with grace. Like, he wasn't super, like, mean, but he was just straight up, like, he was asking. Asking literal questions.

[Another Male Commentator]

He did.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And he even said he's like, I. I feel terrible about the hate that you're getting, but you need to get your shit together. And I was like, that's great advice from an older man.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, after talking to Amber, and I don't want to give too much away. And it's definitely a he said, she said in terms of, like, a bit of a divorce. But, like, his choice to accuse Amber of what he accused her of at the reunion, depending on what you believe from Amber's point of view when you listen to the episode, is really real. It was really dirty.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Is this the wedding situation?

[Nick (Host)]

No. He accused her of, like, basically having a drinking problem and. And being kind of like.

[Female Co-host]

And then, like, wanting to drive home drunk. So much so that he had to take her keys.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

She, like, humiliated him in front of wedding while he was the best man.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. And keep in mind, this is a mother.

[Male Commentator]

Uhhuh.

[Nick (Host)]

You know, and he's making some pretty serious accusations on national television.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah, she. She clears up a lot.

[Another Male Commentator]

She.

[Female Co-host]

She definitely clears up a lot.

[Male Commentator]

I'm excited to watch. I love Amber. She was. Was honestly one of my favorites of the season. And especially, like, I. I say this with love. Take a shot. Every time Amber says she hates Chris because that was crazy.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Hilarious.

[Male Commentator]

She slid it in, every single thing, back to back.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I don't hate. You're not the same kind of guy as Chris. Like, sorry. Like, I. I don't hate you, but I hate you.

[Nick (Host)]

My favorite part about tomorrow's GD is when we talk to Britney about the devonte of it all and obviously, like, post, you know, wedding, and we, you know, get some details. And then obviously the. The fake trip or fake work trip.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Right.

[Nick (Host)]

And we have Amber giving, like, color commentary throughout the day.

[Female Co-host]

That's great.

[Male Commentator]

And Amber and Herion.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

He's the hype man. Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

No, it's really. It's really great.

[Male Commentator]

What did they say when they were like. Yeah, Amber started the show being like, I hate men, and now she's back at I hate men.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah. I did appreciate Nick Kind of coming for Chris.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

Which, like, was deserved, for sure.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You know, said, you put my hometown to shame, honestly. Get it together.

[Male Commentator]

And also, Jess, she's winning.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Male Commentator]

Like, she didn't even have to look at Chris in the eyes when he was apologizing. And then she has a healthy relationship. Like, oh.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And he said his little, like, ode to her, like, just like, you're beautiful. You're amazing. Like, every day that I spend with you, I was like, thank you for making Chris, who's already small, that much smaller.

[Male Commentator]

No, Sierra, the difference between, like, how we saw Chris treat Jess and then just a glimpse of how her partner now is treating her, like. Like, that's when, you know, like, that's

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

like, go through the storm because it's worth it on the other side. You know what I mean?

[Female Co-host]

What did y' all think of Gigi and AD getting the mike?

[Male Commentator]

I love AD cast. I love previous. It's this 10th season, so it made sense, like, thematically, narratively, to, like, share with past members.

[Another Male Commentator]

And I actually really liked that they brought back all 154. I believe it was past cast members. Members. Didn't they say that?

[Male Commentator]

They said it was a cast full of all past or. Sorry, it was a room full of all.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Another Male Commentator]

I. I like that they did that. I think it's a great way to celebrate 10 years. I also loved Zach and Bliss revealing the gender with his.

[Male Commentator]

That was beautiful.

[Another Male Commentator]

Grandmother. Yeah. I. I liked that they incorporated some of them because also, like, I loved some of their reactions when it came to, like, talking about Chris.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And then we added Christine and Vic to the happily married couples because, like, they're my favorite thing that's come out of this season.

[Another Male Commentator]

I'm glad they get a trip.

[Male Commentator]

I know. From TurboTax.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

The way I was terrified. I literally went to Christine's page, and she posted her reunion look. And I think they obviously make them not wear rings or whatever in the photos, but I didn't see a ring on her hand. And, like, literally, like, I was devastated. I was like, oh, my God.

[Nick (Host)]

No.

[Another Male Commentator]

No, I didn't see a ring on her hand, but her and Vic were matching.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

No, they're perfect. But, like, the way that they were leading into the reunion was like, are they. Aren't they.

[Male Commentator]

Diva and Britney were also matching.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah. I also thought that was kind of shitty of them to sit Ashley and Alex next to each other.

[Male Commentator]

All of them.

[Female Co-host]

All of them next to each other. The only person they separated was Jess and Chris, which, like, stand by that. But like, why not the rest of them?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Ashley looked so uncomfortable. She's literally like stiff as a board on the very edge of the couch while Alex is just like, like, sorry,

[Female Co-host]

Alex saying, like, seeing as soon as the reveal happened, seeing she was blonde was the first domino to fall. Why are you here? Yeah, like your taste is that specific, that that is the first domino to fall when you realize, oh, she has blonde hair.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That's crazy.

[Female Co-host]

Love is blind isn't for you, babe.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It's giving. The man didn't know what his next job was going to be, so he got on national television and hopes that that blows up for an opportunity to take him to his next nomadic adventure.

[Female Co-host]

The way he spoke to Vanessa. Yeah.

[Male Commentator]

Oh, my God.

[Female Co-host]

And she was like, well, I'm trying to have an actual conversation with you. You, like, maybe you should show a little bit of vulnerability and say, I don't know, Sometimes he's like, well, you want me to act like I don't know.

[Another Male Commentator]

He was giving how Tom Sandoval spoke

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

to you when you interviewed Dude, I was, Yeah. I was waiting for a dude to pop out of there. Like, yeah, dude.

[Female Co-host]

Huh.

[Nick (Host)]

He also dressed like, like he was got done at a high school reward, like soccer, like, you know, at the end of season rewards or the soccer coach wears khakis and a polo.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yep, yep.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And the weird like semi reveal that Devante and him are semi kind of roommates, but they like play goalie soccer together.

[Female Co-host]

But I thought also Devontae was engaged in having a baby. So, like, why is he living with Andrew?

[Another Male Commentator]

He had his own house.

[Nick (Host)]

We do have Alex coming up here shortly when we wrap up our love is blind commentary. I was curious what he had had to say. And I gotta say the roommate situation between him and Davante even more confused after talking to Alex.

[Male Commentator]

Oh, really? I'm also curious, Nick, to be devil's advocate, I'm like, maybe there's some one detail that could make sense.

[Nick (Host)]

We do get a an interesting answer as to why he showed up disheveled for his wedding. It wasn't an accident. All right, well, up next we got Alex. Alex, welcome to the show.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Thank you. Thanks so much for having me.

[Nick (Host)]

How. How are you doing, man? How has this whole experience been for you?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

It's been a wild ride so far, honestly, overall, kind of just turning the Internet Internet off and just enjoying the friends and family that are in my corner at the moment.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, that, that's SM to do. Obviously you've been under not controversy, but the audience has had a lot to say and have a lots of opinions about your time on the show. I'm curious, is. Does it feel like all just completely wrong or unfair or is there a party that looks back and at least, you know, while maybe. Obviously the Internet isn't really objective, but have you learned anything about yourself from watching it back that you thought, okay, well, maybe. Maybe this is something I can see where they're coming from and maybe I need to address 100%.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

I mean, I've learned a ton throughout the process. I do think there's probably some inaccuracies in the editing, but I think the biggest thing that I've learned is really just patience with my storyline. I think I have a very complicated past, and if I'm in a relationship, you know, instead of waiting for her to kind of come through and ask these questions and try and figure out what my time timeline is, obviously, you know, identify a trigger point in her past and maybe pull her aside proactively and just explain, hey, this is obviously an issue for you. Let's go through it together. Because this is kind of, you know, what I've gone through. So just being a little bit more proactive in my storyline and as open as possible is probably the biggest thing I've learned.

[Nick (Host)]

What were some things that you left out or maybe weren't proactive with that you felt ended up being some of Ashley's bigger triggers?

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

So I think the biggest one, realistically, I catch myself saying that word all the time now. I think the biggest one is the Austin girlfriend timeline. I think that one I tried because I didn't really know, you know, I'm coming onto the Ohio version of Love is Blind. I'm also in and out of Ohio. I was living there for two years while also going to Austin. I didn't know how to explain that very well. And I tried just to avoid that, to not get into the weeds with an ex girlfriend, which I could have just been a little bit more proactive with that ex girlfriend. The last time that we saw was, like, November, which is four months before the show. I didn't really think it was that big of an issue to dive into, but I think, again, that's one that I probably could have been more proactive. Proactive, especially with somebody like Ashley who brings a little bit of, I think, trust issues to the relationship. I can be more proactive and fix that.

[Nick (Host)]

I think there's been a lot of conversations this season or every season, but specifically this one is asking why some of the people we see it's just like, well, why did you go on Love is Blind? Because obviously, you know, none of you really know what this experience is until you get there. But after watching it, whether it's you having kind of that nomadic life, or you being seemingly incredibly into brunettes compared to blondes, or, say, Devonte having his kind of very specific interest, or Chris, it seemed like just some of the things that you guys. You men specifically said, well, okay, fair enough. You feel or think this way. But if that's the case, like, why. Why bother with this show was kind of the thought and feeling that many of us had watching it back, 100%.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

And I think the way that this show is advertised is as an experiment.

[Male Commentator]

Right?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Like, we're here to really try and figure out. Figure out, is love truly blind? And for us, I won't speak for the rest of the band, for myself, I'm really diving in to see, can you get past. You know, again, Ash is an objectively beautiful woman. Obviously, that doesn't really need to be said. But can you get past the fact that she's not your original type? And I went through this experiment trying to test that out completely because in my past, I have dated solely, you know, the women that I find physically attractive, which has led me to be a little bit more physical than emotional. Emotional. I wanted to see if this experiment could help me understand where the emotional should rank in a relationship. And that's one of the things I learned as well, is I think they're both needed and they're both equal. So for me to go on the show was really just to test that and see if, you know, my wife is there.

[Female Co-host]

So it wasn't really about, like, actually marrying the person that you met. It was more so just like, can I get past this thing that I have gone for time and time again in my past?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Well, I wouldn't say that, no. Because I think the overall goal is to get married, and I wanted to get married. But I think that experiment that you go through is really to see if you can get to that point.

[Nick (Host)]

Okay. Did you ever get to the bottom of, I think, was it your grandma's story when you were talking to Ashley's dad and you were kind of talking a little bit about just your family history? Your timeline made it seem like Your grandma was 16 years old when she had your mom or dad? I'm not sure. And then your response was, well, that was what? That's the story I was told. Did you get to the bottom of that 100?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

So that one's just me misspeaking. Candidly. I grew up in a, in a environment where Christian Science was my religion with my stepfather. And in that religion we were not allowed to celebrate birthdays. So birthdays and ages have been something that I'm very, I'm learning still. I, my mistake there was to answer the question and try and say what I didn't know candidly. They're a much, you know, later on in life is when they passed on so they were not 16 or 15, 14. Okay. I think another thing that I've learned here is maybe take a pause and you don't have to have all the answers. I do have a complicated storyline and it's one of those that you just take a break here, take a second. Not knowing is, is potentially an okay answer.

[Nick (Host)]

A lot of people are, are commenting on, on your beard at the wedding as if it was a dead giveaway that you knew you were not going to get married. You look clean shaven now. I'm just curious like, like, what was that? What's up? What was up with that very unkept beard in a tuxedo?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Yes. So some of that was, was actually on purpose on my end. I, I did think ahead of time because I did have a conversation with Ashley that it, it was going to be a no from me ahead of time that this was not really my, my real, you know, wedding. And it was one of those that I don't want. I want to save something for my wife, my real wife that I actually get married to. And I didn't walk my mom down the aisle for a reason. Reason. I didn't shave for a reason. I didn't go to the barber for a reason. And yes, the jacket is two size too big. It's a, it's a trench coat realistically. And I didn't really fix that for a reason. The fuzz in my beard is accidental. That was just the.

[Nick (Host)]

You didn't place the.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Okay.

[Nick (Host)]

But everything else was kind of a almost it's like you were you. It's like you agreed to do the ceremony but you were protesting everything else basically.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

I don't want to say protesting. It was more. I do want to save some things for, for my actual wife. Like I do think, like actually walking my mom down the aisle and showing up correctly is something that I do want to actually have. And in my real wedding, I knew ahead of time this wasn't going to be it. So not really a protest, but just more saving it for her. Okay.

[Female Co-host]

Reactions to the sex conversation were not received well. Looking back, do you wish you had worded that differently?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Which one?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

100% candidly for all of them. I think the. The period conversation is one that I really didn't want to have. I start that conversation off with logistics, and I think there's a lot of context in the pods that are kind of missed on that subject. And then when we get into that conversation, I'm completely out of my depth. And that's an example of, hey, maybe I don't really know what I'm talking about here. Let's. Let's move on to something else.

[Female Co-host]

You kind of stood on 10 toes down of like, Ashley should have waited for you to get back to have the, like, mud rubbing mud all over each other date, even when she felt like you kind of walked out on her. You still stand by that or.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

To an extent. I think the way that that comes off probably comes off a little sharper than it really needs to be. I think what we're really getting at is the amount of intimacy that we were having at that point. And the point that I'm really making there is if you want more intimacy from me, you need to initiate it, because I'm initiating here at this point. Obviously, in Mexico, we did that plenty. So again, it probably came off sharper than it needed to, But I needed more from her in that category if she wanted more.

[Nick (Host)]

At what point for you did you kind of come to the conclusion that you. You weren't going to say yes at the altar?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

It's interesting. So they show the interrogation from, like, the. The meeting of the dad. I think I got through that still thinking maybe there's something that we can do, like, maybe I can work through that. I think it was after meeting her friends, I met probably eight of her friends at once. And at that point, I was just kind of like, everyone's still. Still trying to jump on my past a little bit. I don't think we're getting past that. So I think it's probably two or three. I don't know when that was. Four or five days before the wedding.

[Nick (Host)]

Not just yourself, but a lot of your male peers have also been under fire this season. And I am curious. Well, one, like, what do you think of some of your other peers, specifically Chris and Devonte? I know Devonte is your new roommate. Now, just as the way men are talked about on this show and just in culture as a whole, do you appreciate some of the frustration that a lot of the women viewers and audience members are saying about you guys or do you think that you guys are all misunderstood?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Well, to say all of us are misunderstood, I'm not sure. I think there's definitely a lot of misunderstandings between both men and women. Just in general, I think we definitely are getting somewhat of an unfair edit throughout. But at the same time, I do think there's some ways for us to learn. I think we all need to leave room for growth for us as men and for them as, as women. We're all asking for grace at this point, so I think it's all the way around.

[Nick (Host)]

What was your understand. Were you living with devonte when he lied to Brittany about that work trip and, and then went on. Went to that concert?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

No.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

So, so right after the show, like the day after the show, I moved to Florida and got a job down there for a few months and then got a second job out in Arizona probably five months after that. So that was, that occurred at that time when I was in Florida.

[Nick (Host)]

Okay. And I don't need your address, but you guys live in Ohio now. You and devonte.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

It's. I'm in Scottsdale at the moment. I think. I don't want to say where devonte is, but he's. He's not here currently because I just want to speak for him, but I'm in Scottsdale at the moment. Okay.

[Nick (Host)]

But that roommate situation is, is happening in Arizona.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

It has been. I mean it's one of those. I've traveled through la, Austin, Cleveland, like Florida throughout the year. He's traveling a ton.

[Nick (Host)]

So you guys just have like a shared residence.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Nick (Host)]

What would you say to your friend devonte? I. I am curious. Just out of it, let's say you were in the same room with devonte at the time where that was going down. What would you have said to devonte as his friend about how he should move when it comes to that situation?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Can you just re. Explain. So from the Austin situation, is that what you're.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, yeah. So when he was telling Brittany that hey, I'm going to a work trip in Michigan, but in reality he went on a five day trip to Austin with some of the women from the season and, and lied to Brittany. Brittany. He clearly was going on with the, with the lie. And I'm just curious, like what would you have said as his friend if you were aware that he was making this decision in real time?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Well, if those were the actual like parts of the decision, then I think it's a different conversation. I'm just not fully certain as to that's how that entire situation went down. So I don't want to comment on what I would tell him because I'm not fully aware of everything that happened.

[Nick (Host)]

Do you have.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

I think from my own experience. Experience. I would just say from my own experience with. With obviously Austin in particular city. Be as open as you possibly can and just basically give a timeline. This is what I'm thinking. And be as transparent as you possibly can because the truth kind of always comes out.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Like, are you hearing a different version from Devonte?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Not from devonte specifically. We haven't really talked about that. Like from my seeing everybody and knowing everybody because we're friends outside of this, it didn't really seem like that big of a deal to me. It was like, hey, I thought you and Brittany were open over. You're gonna go hang out with people from the show. You guys are going to Austin, Enjoy the concert. That's how I looked at it. But again, I'm not really that close to it.

[Nick (Host)]

Fair enough. It was weird that he was clearly obviously not taking pictures and was hanging out with that group while they were posting and he wasn't posting. That does come across.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

There's a lot of rules that we don't know. To be honest with you. As this stuff comes out, it's like I don't know who I can post and what I can post and when.

[Nick (Host)]

Sure.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

And I don't want to defend anyone else. Like, I'm not trying to be defensive here. Just we don't really know what we're doing.

[Nick (Host)]

Gotcha.

[Female Co-host]

The conversation that Chris had at that mixer where he was talking to Bri for quite some time and talked about Connor not being dominant and blah, blah, blah, whatever. He went into the bathroom with you and continued to shit on Connor. I don't know if maybe you and Connor just aren't friends so you didn't feel the need to kind of stand up for Connor. But what was your reasoning for. For going along with that disrespectful conversation that he was having having with you?

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

I mean, the only thing that I say in there is I basically just affirm what he's saying. And I've already spoken to Connor with about this. I'm very close with Conor and Brie. It was one of those situations where I can see Chris, you know, self destructing here. And I'm also aware that Priyanka's just walked into the room and I'm gonna have to have a very difficult conversation anyway to where it's one of those. Okay, I'm Just gonna sit here and let you talk and I'm gonna start focusing on what I need to focus on because I can't handle you. You and what you're doing here and the rest of the dynamic. I have so much stuff to deal with, so I'm going along in the sense of just don't bother me, let me do my thing. And yes, it looks as though I'm siding with him when in reality it. Connor's my boy.

[Female Co-host]

When did you know Priyanka and you were going to be on the season together? Like, was that like when y' all started dating in the pods?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

So I like, I knew of her before the pods and obviously in the pods we figured it out together. I mean, it's a small world, obviously. I was in Austin ahead of time with my ex girlfriend for a little bit back and forth. We ran into each other there. Didn't really speak about the show though.

[Nick (Host)]

The fact that you, like, seem to refuse to want to live in Ohio, was that already kind of a weird casting for you, given that like Love is Blind, the show itself. Part of the reason why they cast regionally is, is to help the relationships that end up in relationships have a better chance of succeeding. You have a very unique story with you being a nomad, but on top of you being a nomad, it was like, I will live. I'll live anywhere but Ohio. I am just. How did you end up? Was that. Were those conversations you had with casting in general and. And were you concerned right off the bat that that might be an issue for anyone you ended up with?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Great question. I don't remember that being part of like the casting conversations. I do remember a lot of context in the pods. Like Ashley and I get a little bit, you know, deep in this in the sense of she didn't want to live in Ohio either. So that was an attractive quality. Right. Like it's. If you're trying to leave as well. Well, and have a family somewhere else, but come back and visit Ohio, we can make that work. I didn't really think about it ahead of time because I would have made the sacrifice if the right woman was there to live in Ohio for a time being and, you know, go from there.

[Nick (Host)]

You filmed Love of Blind Win about a year ago, give or take.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Yeah, right. Yeah, around that last February.

[Nick (Host)]

So about a year ago you're part of your five year plan was to have an amazing house, I think in Florida, and then you're gonna have a trust in Dubai. I'm not sure what. What that is. And then a safe house in New Zealand. Were you just kind of around? You seemed like you were saying it seriously. But also, what is a safe house in New Zealand and how is that all coming along now that we're a year into that five year plan?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

A hundred percent. So first and foremost, it's like, I like to dream big. Obviously, like, I wanted to be an athlete when I was a kid, so I don't mind, you know, going after these things. What I've realized though is it's really not that difficult to do. Like, you can go start up a company in the DIFC in Dubai and they will give you a residency if you do it correctly. So that, I mean, is doable. You need more capital, for sure. I do have dual citizenship with New Zealand. I have lived over there. I did get my Tamoko over there. So I call a safe house. It's not like, hey, I'm a billionaire building a bunker, going to live there. It's just a place that I can go outside of the U.S. if things, you know, hit the fan. I have a place that I can take my family to and go live freely.

[Nick (Host)]

Okay.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Is it going well? Yeah, like, I'm building towards that. Absolutely.

[Nick (Host)]

All right.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Do I have a little bit more than five years to go to actually create that? No doubt. But I like to dream big, so

[Male Commentator]

that's what I said.

[Nick (Host)]

I appreciate that. Wouldn't. It might be hard to get to the other side of the world if shit hits the fan?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Not if you have the passport stuff set up ahead of time. And then on top of that, one of the things that people don't know is my mom worked for United for 20 years. So all of these flights all around the world were, I mean, realistically close to being free or free. So it is doable.

[Nick (Host)]

Okay. Any final thoughts? Alex? Yeah. What, what do you. What do you want to leave the people, the audience with now that we kind of wrap up season 10?

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Honest, honestly, just. Thank you for being fans. Thank you for watching. I had a blast getting to know Ashley and everyone else on the show. It was a good experiment. I learned a lot and hopefully you guys know that I'm a real person. Okay.

[Nick (Host)]

Alex, we appreciate you taking the time. Best of luck with everything, including all the houses and stuff and yeah, just, just good, good luck out there and I appreciate your time, man.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

I appreciate it, guys.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

Alex.

[Male Commentator]

So Alex didn't shave his beard because he knew he wasn't going to say yes to.

[Female Co-host]

He wanted to save that.

[Nick (Host)]

He's saving that for his future.

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

Wife.

[Male Commentator]

Which is even worse of a way to say it.

[Female Co-host]

Crazy.

[Nick (Host)]

I was like, you couldn't. That. Can you imagine?

[Male Commentator]

I'm like, did you not just prove everything Ashley said at the altar of, like, the inconsistency? And, like, I just feel like. I don't know.

[Female Co-host]

Like, what's interesting is, like, there's just some things I want to save for my wife. And it's like, you think it'd be like.

[Nick (Host)]

Like getting dressed myself.

[Another Male Commentator]

Your virginity.

[Female Co-host]

My. Yeah. Like, I want to save myself before, but my tux was too big. My beard was scraggly. Yeah. But he's like, those are the things that I wanted to save for my future wife. I'm like, she is gonna appreciate.

[Another Male Commentator]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

What an honor.

[Nick (Host)]

I saw something that the success rate of Love is blood line is 3.5% of all couples out of 100.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Not terrible.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, that's what I would say. People, like. People, like, framed it as, like, what Terrible success rate.

[Mary (Commentator)]

But, like, what's the success rate of dating apps?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, but I was also gonna say that I'm like, you're talking about people that are, like, married for multiple years, having, like. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like, oh, we stayed together for a year after Love island to, like, for brand deals. It's like, these people are actually, like, married, married, having a life together.

[Nick (Host)]

But more importantly, I'm assuming that 3.5 is based off of, like, the total cast members who show up to start the season versus how many at the end of the season end up in marriage, which we.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I feel like we don't even know. How do you know? Do we know how many people start off on love is born?

[Nick (Host)]

40. Ish.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Like 40. Yeah. I mean, out of those odds, and then we only really see, like, what, five couples?

[Nick (Host)]

It's literally like, you know, you're meeting total strangers.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

That you don't get to see. See at first. Yeah. Honestly, 3. 3.5% out of. I don't know how many people that'd be, like, a dating. Yeah, again, that's like.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

It's like the amount of people that go on dating apps or whatever that, like, are supposed to be for marriage, that don't want marriage and just want hookups that I'm like, for a reality TV show with one of the most, I don't know, unnatural concepts, I guess is like, where I'm like, these people are actually signing up because they want to be married.

[Nick (Host)]

There's no way that the dating apps can turn, you know, like, of all

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

the people you match with in 30 days, find your. Your husband about.

[Nick (Host)]

Forget about timeline. But like, how many people are you matching with if you, if, if. If you had a 3.5% chance of meeting your husband on a dating app? If I was, that would be incredible.

[Male Commentator]

So there is an article that says that success rate of, like, meaningful relationships from a dating app is 2.5%.

[Nick (Host)]

Oh, so it's a whole percent higher.

[Mary (Commentator)]

So technically you're more likely to find love on Love is More line then dating apps. Dating apps, period. Which feels honestly, as someone on dating apps.

[Nick (Host)]

True.

[Female Co-host]

Well, as Teresa was saying in Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, she's like, it is like, the apps are scary. You don't like, have like, you know, she's like, going on this show. I knew these people were going through background checks. Like, I knew I was going to be in a safe environment around safe men. And like, that I don't know from dating app. So, like, she's like, I feel like this is the new way of dating is like, just get yourself on a dated show.

[Nick (Host)]

And like, you're. You're meeting people who like. Yeah, you have to deal with like, you know, are they looking for fame or things like that? But there's some intentionality for all the people who show up to these shows open to, like, making a connection versus, like, people you're meeting on the apps, which is like, they're just playing Hot or Not. You don't even know how serious they are. They even want to meet up. You know, willingness to. To, like, go grab a cup of coffee or a drink, you know? You know, there's just a lot of, like, people. Are you. Do you even want a date? Are you actually trying to. Are you just on the apps for whatever, you know, like, there's no free dinner. Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Yeah. Do you know how many times it'll be like, you'll be like, having a great time chatting with someone on Hinge and then you're like, okay, you want to go get drinks? Never hear from them again.

[Male Commentator]

How many times does that happen, Mary?

[Nick (Host)]

I think, I think for anyone listening who's ever been on the apps, I think there's not a single person. Person who wasn't like, yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And the thing is, guess what? I've done it to other people.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. No, we all.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yes.

[Mary (Commentator)]

It's like, sometimes someone will like, be like, do you want to hang out? And I'm like, no, why would I want to Wait?

[Nick (Host)]

You're real. You're not a chat bot.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, no, I Would refuse. Yeah, I would assume that I'd be set up with Dexter. That's why I never got on them.

[Another Male Commentator]

What's the success rate of summer house relationships?

[Male Commentator]

Summer house kind of dating is a knot. Like invite all the friends, have them.

[Nick (Host)]

Like, it's an entertaining season.

[Female Co-host]

I love how it started off with Bailey being like, I am gonna like, shoot my shot with Ben. Dara is with kj. I am going all in on Ben. And then makes the most wild statement.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Wild statement.

[Another Male Commentator]

Well, I think she was trying to flirt.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, doesn't make it better.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And I will say I love Bailey. I think she is so sweet. I feel so sad that her heart got broken that some guy ruined her self esteem to a point where she can't even hear herself anymore.

[Nick (Host)]

Who ruined herself?

[Male Commentator]

Her ex.

[Nick (Host)]

I just want to make sure.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

No, no, no. But like, that's where I was like, it's so sad that I'm like, that her idea of like she can't hear herself flirting or like, hear that. That would be like a wild statement that like, maybe Ben would be down.

[Mary (Commentator)]

She makes her nervous.

[Male Commentator]

She said last episode she's like, I don't even know how to like or talk anymore. To your point.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

So that's where I was like, I, I, I don't know.

[Female Co-host]

But this is like bringing in a third party, a married couple into this like, equation of like, you want to fuck your man's Right.

[Nick (Host)]

Bad flirting is being like, I like your eyebrows. I think, sorry, did you do it yourself? You know, which is like, nervous.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

But she said that, like, I think she hears them joke about things and they did it in the episode. So it's like, she's not crazy.

[Female Co-host]

Well, I'll push back there and say every example she gave of them doing the joke was just her projecting, being like, why is he giving you a tactic? Why is he picking you up out of this thing? Why is he bringing you coffee in the morning?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Like that all she has which is giving.

[Nick (Host)]

You're obsessed with Ben and you're watching his every move.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Sure.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah, exactly.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

She's nervous

[Another Male Commentator]

and the words came out and I think she didn't mean for them to.

[Nick (Host)]

Honest mistake for sure. But I mean, again, Ben was certainly direct and he was obviously upset, but he wasn't yelling.

[Female Co-host]

I think it makes sense that he was like, this wasn't the first time she has said something and I think that's why it had gotten to that point, like him being like, am I doing something that's making everyone question, like my behavior and like mine and, like, that now I'm like, in my head, like, am I being weird? So he's like, I need to figure out, like, what's going on.

[Nick (Host)]

And Bailey kind of suggested that everyone is in on this conspiracy, that Ben wants to have sex with Amanda. So, yeah, he. He's like, it's the. Oh, everyone's talking about it kind of energy where he's, like, upset about this. And. Yes. And then in that conversation, she was just like, you guys joke about all the time. And he's like, again, no, I don't joke. I've literally have never joked about this.

[Another Male Commentator]

She was just trying to be in on the joke.

[Male Commentator]

That's what I'm saying.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

They said that they don't, but I'm like, there are little things where I was like, you need to do the fact he literally. She was like, oh, unless we get naked together or something like that. Like, they make little, like, sly comments.

[Another Male Commentator]

They have little banter. They have a banter with each other where, like, fake flirting, whatever. And Bailey just wanted to be in on the joke. And she was like, I'm joking. I'm just saying I feel for her.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I'm just saying, you weren't invited to the joker.

[Another Male Commentator]

You weren't there.

[Mary (Commentator)]

You cannot be in on a private joke between your crush and someone they might have chemistry with. Like, you just can't do that.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You gotta let it slide. I'm just tired of people thinking, I want to fuck me mates.

[Female Co-host]

Mrs. Jesse being like, dude, you actually talk like that.

[Another Male Commentator]

See, a West's reaction to that was so funny. A serious group of men to, like,

[Female Co-host]

try to have a serious conversation.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Genuinely, the best part, too, was that after Ben had left and then they were telling it to Kyle, and then Kyle just starts cracking up, like, as if it's a punchline. And it's just like. No, that's just how he talks.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

No, honestly, if I were Bailey, I would be. You know when you're on stage, the little bit where you're on stage where they take a cane out and they just, like, pull you up, like, that's. I would be.

[Another Male Commentator]

Well, that's what she did. She literally went into the bathroom, took off her fancy clothes, and she was like, showing my face again.

[Female Co-host]

I'm going to be totally relatable.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

Like, her being like, yeah, I'm not going out.

[Male Commentator]

Wrap it up.

[Female Co-host]

I'm going to bed.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I felt bad for her, but for me. And as I said on the opposite end, I was like, come on. Like, listen, it sucks to, like, get into A little tiff. But like, you're making. You're exacerbating this whole outcome by like, it's Amanda's birthday. Put your fucking party shoes on. You don't even have to look at Ben. But like, go. But like, the whole, like, I'm gonna stay in and I'm gonna be in the bed and then I'm gonna make my friend stay in because, like, and

[Female Co-host]

then the next night being like, I don't want to sit next to Ben. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Like, I'm just like, the drama.

[Derek (Age of Attraction Cast)]

No.

[Nick (Host)]

Turning him into the bad guy over a night of sleep.

[Male Commentator]

She's just like self correcting herself, by the way.

[Another Male Commentator]

I don't think she's trying to turn him into the bad guy. I think it's an. An extension of her flirting. Like, she wants him to come after her and to apologize.

[Female Co-host]

I think we're done with the flirting.

[Male Commentator]

I was like, that might be a

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

little giving, like stages.

[Nick (Host)]

This is what you would tell your friend. If you're your friends, Bailey.

[Another Male Commentator]

If my friends. If I'm Levi in this situation, I'm like, get dressed. We're going out. We're going to have fun. We're going to get drunk and you're going to fuck another man tonight.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Oh, okay.

[Female Co-host]

That's what I'm saying.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That's what I'm doing.

[Male Commentator]

I've never heard her say the F word. Guys.

[Another Male Commentator]

Sorry. But no, I think, I think if I'm psychoanalyzing Bailey, I think that what's happening is that I think that she's still. She's not over Ben. And in like 15 seconds.

[Female Co-host]

No, no, no. I think 100% after that conversation, she was like, you discussed me. I would never put my hands on.

[Another Male Commentator]

Oh, I disagree.

[Female Co-host]

I think she immediately was like, turned off. That's not the guy she thought he was. She like, got a completely different view of him. And I think she's like, crush over.

[Nick (Host)]

I think she's. I think if Ben flirted with her at all, it would come right back.

[Another Male Commentator]

No, I think she's. I think that she's sulking and she wants him to come poll.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I think she wants to be crush over, but she's also like, okay, but if he was.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

If you open a window, I'll kick open the door.

[Nick (Host)]

Like, I'll be there.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

It's like, if you're gonna hate me, I will hate you right back.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And we can have like, you wanna

[Female Co-host]

hate sat down to also fuck.

[Mary (Commentator)]

We can also like, do both of those things.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Like, we killed hate. Fuck yeah.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Literally combine the two.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Speaking of maybe hate fucking west and Sierra. Let's get into it.

[Another Male Commentator]

They do not hate each other.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

West sitting on her, being her tough. Like, even Connor was like, she's fucking smart. Like, just the way that.

[Another Male Commentator]

It's just like he has a crush.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, he has a fucking crush in the way that it's like his weird little boyish antics. All of these people, by the way, Like, Bailey's like, lack of ability to flirt. And then it's like you've got Wes. Also lack of ability to flirt or to be direct with his feelings. He's actually pissed me off a lot this season because I'm like, if you just said how you felt. Yes, A lot of this would be null and void.

[Another Male Commentator]

What?

[Nick (Host)]

At the end, she's pretty obvious.

[Another Male Commentator]

He said it to Ben, he says

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

it to Ben, he says it to everyone else. But even the. Every single Jesse, the conversation with Jesse, he could have said, hey, I kind of think you're a for asking. Goes KJ and Ben. They really had an issue with it. Like, I'm cool, but, like, they thought it was so weird.

[Mary (Commentator)]

You know what he's trying to, like,

[Nick (Host)]

it's giving car big.

[Another Male Commentator]

What's.

[Male Commentator]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Carry big.

[Mary (Commentator)]

But west is Carrie.

[Nick (Host)]

No.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah,

[Nick (Host)]

west, like, listen, I don't. West at the end, when he was very hammered at the end of the. And he's talking to Ben.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

We all know how west feels, though. Like, that's the thing. Sierra doesn't know he's talking to Ben.

[Mary (Commentator)]

How does Ciara not know?

[Nick (Host)]

Am I crazy? Am I. Did you guys not hear west say, I'm just not. I know what she's looking for and I'm not ready to give that right now?

[Female Co-host]

That's what he said. He was when they were together. Because when we were together, I knew what she needed and I wasn't ready to give that to her. And Ben goes, do you have any regrets? And you. He goes, of course I do.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And then the episode ended. Because he's maybe ready now, but he

[Nick (Host)]

doesn't know what he's supposed to do.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

But now he doesn't know what to do. Exactly. And I'm just like, he did.

[Another Male Commentator]

He tried to. He tried to. They were both drunk. And, I mean, they both admitted this, where they're like, we can talk when we're drunk, but, like, when the lights are on and the day is like, we cannot communicate.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

But then is it a p. A

[Female Co-host]

sunset relationship, a PM Relationship, nighttime relationship?

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

I don't.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I just don't Know how to. To talk to you. And she goes, I did that directly by design.

[Nick (Host)]

That was a great line.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That was so hard.

[Nick (Host)]

If my friend or daughter is in a situation like this, I would just. This has so many red flags. And I feel because, like, Sierra's always, like, very earnest about her love life. You know, every once in a while, we hear her, like, express frustration about it not going the way she wants. And it's just like, west and Jesse just give very. Just unserious about their dating life. And is it fun to see them flirt? Do we see the chemistry? Do we hope that, like, if they. If they wanted. If they really fell in love, they would work out? But, like, nothing about Wes's behavior suggests that he's ready for this stuff.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I disagree.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I'm gonna disagree, too, because I'm gonna say that I'm like, West coming into it, the whole thing. Like, what blew up right at the reunion was the fact that he kind of ended things with Sierra and was like, yeah, my DMs are flooded. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he. Oh, I've never been here before. And Paige was like, read him to film.

[Male Commentator]

It was the article.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And it was just kind of like, well, Paige was like, you know, you have a bunch of girls sliding in your dm, but you have this right now. And it's like, he was just like, I just want to, like, play and see what else is out there. I think now he's seeing that. It's like, yeah, there's a bunch of girls in your DMs that want to slide on and get on Summer house and come to the events with you. But, like, they're not really interested in Wes. And Sierra actually was interested in Wes, and now I think he's pining for that because it's like a bunch of temporary girls.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah, I know.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And no one can make.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Also, I'm rooting for them so hard.

[Another Male Commentator]

Also, I just need to put out there that you cannot control who you fall in love with. You can't control who you like. And, like, I don't think she likes Jesse. I don't think he's ready for a relationship. I thought that their conversation was great. It was like, we're just friends. Don't be a dick. And she forgave him.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, I. I agree with you, ultimately, but I was. And I was asking Natalie last night, do you think those a world? Not that. Not that Sierra likes Jesse the way she likes West. But what have we heard from Sierra when describing, like, her ideal like, falling in love situation. She's like, I want to be friends with the guy first. I want to establish, like, a close emotional connection and then hopes that that turns into something romantic. Right.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Wants to be protected.

[Nick (Host)]

Of course. Right. But, like, so, you know, the whole, like, last week's episode where Jesse did the weird thing, we're like, you know, and I think that's such a relatable story between, like, men and women who are friends, Right. And they kind of of, like, do that dance, you know, and then. And then Jesse did the thing where he made it weird. Like, he crossed that boundary where it was like, okay, now you're making it weird. Which, you know, we all know what it's like to be friends with someone, and then they make it weird. And you're like, why'd you ruin a good thing? Like, this friendship that we had, genuinely. But it. The way when she goes to Jesse and she's like, you could have just asked. It's like, it makes me wonder that if Jesse, like, came correct, where it's just. Just like. Like a gentleman said, sierra, I want to. Can we. Can we talk and, like, listen? Like, I know we're friends, and I know we flirt a lot, and sometimes I'm a little confused, but, like, I'd like to take you on a date, and I like to show you I want to treat you the way I think you deserve to be treated. I wonder if, like, Sierra would entertain something like that because, like, whether it's west or Jesse, like, the. That's. It makes a lot of sense. She wants to develop this friendship, but then she's developing friendship with these guys, guys who just are very unserious and in the moment of, like, hanging out with their bros, you know, like, the fuckboy mindset goes up where they're like, what if we just want to make out? Or whatever. And, you know, it's just like. But at the same time, it's just more like, again, when it comes to these types of, like, friendships. I'm curious, like, do you. A lot of. There's a lot of commentary online about Jesse being one of the girls.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

And being in bed.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I loved it in the beginning.

[Male Commentator]

So.

[Nick (Host)]

Serious question. If you were. You had a guy friend like Jesse, right. And he's out there and you walk, and he's happened to me. He's having. He's.

[Commercial Announcer]

He's.

[Nick (Host)]

He's giving you fuck boy energy. You hear. You're hearing about all the girls he's hooking up with. When you're with a bunch of girls. And this guy comes into bed, doesn't the enter. The energy is different. Right. Like, you're not. He's not. You're not like, literally, like, he's one of the girls.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

The thing is that, like, usually that type of person and Jesse in this situation, like, Jesse very much declared himself as, oh, I'm gonna fill Paige's shoes. Like, I'm one of the girls. So if you're positioning yourself in a way that, like, I'm just trying to be one of the girlies, just trying to hang out and they have that type of friendship with him, then, yeah, he's allowed to get in the bed and hang out because it's like, you're not going to do anything that's inappropriate or that. That you're safe. Exactly.

[Mary (Commentator)]

It's.

[Nick (Host)]

I agree. Like, Jesse made it weird. I'm just saying, saying, like, the enter isn't the energy different?

[Mary (Commentator)]

No.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

No. If nobody has any, like, sexual interest in said person, it's like we're all just human beings hanging out.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Some of your boys are your girls.

[Female Co-host]

Sometimes the best gossip comes from, like, being able to do it with a man.

[Mary (Commentator)]

To queen out with a boy is

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

really, like having, like, your best friend's, like, boyfriend or whatever. And, yeah. Sitting around kikiing over, like, a glass of wine, and it's like, oh, my God. Wait, he did what?

[Mary (Commentator)]

I literally. When I see my best friend's boyfriend, who is also my friend, it doesn't happen all the time, but I literally give him the biggest hug, and I'm like, oh, my God, my girl, you know?

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

I just don't think. I know Jesse is not unaware that he's in a bed of. With women. And I'm not saying he's gonna be

[Another Male Commentator]

weird about it, being weird about it, but I don't think. I think Sierra and Amanda are both not into Jesse. I don't think they're in for them.

[Female Co-host]

It's like they're trusting his intention dynamic for them.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Because I think at the end of the day, I think if Sierra was actively interested in Jesse, Sierra probably would have done something.

[Another Male Commentator]

Like, if it was west coming into the bed, I think that that would have been very different energy because there's clearly some sexual tension between. There's romantic tension between Sierra and West.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

But with Jesse, we saw it even this past episode when Weston see her in Amanda's bed, and it's just kind of like this, like. And then Kyle's like, can't wait to talk about it.

[Nick (Host)]

I just don't think, Jess, I never, like, watched those scenes and thought Jesse wasn't aware that he was in a bed full of women and they might be his friends.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I don't. I don't think Jesse was never not aware. Like, that's the thing. I think Jesse's intention. Fine. But I'm saying he made it very clear that he was trying to fill page issues and Kiki was the girls. So I'm going to trust you as my friend that that is your intention. If you're going in trying to be weird and get cop a feel, God bless. But I'm like, but until. I'm saying, until you, like, until you do something that shows your true colors or your true intentions, I'm going to trust that you're what you believe what you're.

[Female Co-host]

And I will say I pro. We probably. I. I'm curious to see how often we see him back in the bed after he's made this I want to make out with Sierra comment. I hope never like, he hasn't made it up until now. So before he wasn't crossing any boundaries. He wasn't like, no K.J. he was just being normal.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Put K.J.

[Mary (Commentator)]

in the bed. Jessie, bedbug.

[Female Co-host]

Put K.J. in THE bed for sure.

[Nick (Host)]

But even if K.J. goes in the bed, he's. It's. He's not one of the girls.

[Female Co-host]

Well, I think it also would be weird because they don't, like, know him as well.

[Male Commentator]

He's kind of a Darren. So yeah, it would be different.

[Nick (Host)]

I'm just saying, like, I don't know.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

He's positioned himself as, like, I was raised by women. I just get along with him.

[Female Co-host]

Oh, no. I would trust him 100%, but I just don't know if they have the

[Another Male Commentator]

same, like, ban could get in the bed.

[Female Co-host]

I'm just get in the bed.

[Another Male Commentator]

Get in the bed.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Carl could get in the bed.

[Female Co-host]

Also not Amanda getting the watch. And then being like, now I can leave them and still have a watch.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I said, What? And also $9,000 watch. I looked it up and then I was like, oh, but you couldn't give Carl 10 grand, 15 grand?

[Male Commentator]

No, they definitely kind of like they had to have gone into the season being like, like, okay.

[Nick (Host)]

Kyle was giving Alex in that moment where it's just like, I. I invested a half a million dollars into my business. It's just a lot of accounting talk that can be a bunch of different things.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I was like, shut the hell up.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You mean $500,000 that you made off of lover boy? That you're investing back into your company,

[Nick (Host)]

like to meet payroll again. It could mean so many different things.

[Mary (Commentator)]

The fact that he was like, you know, like, I would invest in Carl, one of like my best friend's company, you know, someone I've known for so long and who invested in mine, but like, I, I would have to fire my entire staff to do it is what he was like trying to make sound like I was like, that's so

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

manipulating granderous overstatement for just saying I didn't feel like supporting like at the same time too. Wasn't he the one bragging in the beginning of the season about like his DJ tour and how now he gets paid to go out versus paying to be out.

[Another Male Commentator]

Did he say he put 500k of his own money?

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yep. Into his own money, where it was like your own money came from lover boy and came from an episode of Summer House. It's very like one episode of Summer House. You couldn't, you couldn't give half of your paycheck for Carl.

[Another Male Commentator]

Also.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, also, the point is, is when Carl gave it $15,000, probably worth more. It would. The assumption was he didn't really have.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

He had nothing.

[Nick (Host)]

He didn't have $15,000 to give. So for that, it was like this insane amount of money for him. And then Kyle clearly is like, it might, he might be in a tough spot right now, but he had a half a million dollars to just like,

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

you know, and then 9,000 plus whatever how much this episode I'm getting paid for. Plus I'm going on tour this weekend.

[Nick (Host)]

Like Kyle was. It was easy. It seemed like it was easy for Kyle to dismiss Carl the. Yeah. Carl in those situations. And just the way, the way Kyle is, he's so. It's so easy for him to be like, no one understands my plight.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Right. That's my biggest issue with Kyle. It's like every season he like somehow finds this way that he is the victim of his, his own life due to the choices that he made himself?

[Female Co-host]

Yep.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And I'm just like, I'm sorry. Like after a while the shtick gets old. It's like, you know, watching like grow up.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah. Put Carl in the bed.

[Nick (Host)]

I need to go. I just need to go back to like men and women friendships. I'm just like, you're telling me from your standpoint you can be flirty and that's not a potential risk of ruining the friendship that, that, that one person.

[Female Co-host]

But if it's both sided. No.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah. And if it's.

[Nick (Host)]

Both sides are they talking about how they're both.

[Another Male Commentator]

They just did.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Well, that would ruin the flirting.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, I just, like, I just. The platonic friendships that I had that I. That really mattered to me, that I valued, that I were. That were really like, this friendship means a lot to me. I didn't. I didn't flirt. I was very. I didn't want to, like, make blurred lines. I didn't want, like, I wanted. This was my friend, you know, And I cherished that relationship. So I went out of my way not. Not to do things that some person could be seen as confused. Because, yeah, I've had women friends that know I was very careful. I didn't give any reason for them to read a situation wrong. And even then, things got weird. If I got a girlfriend, and I remember feeling very like, why are you more unavailable than you are now? And even then that can happen. But I'm just saying, when two people who acknowledge there's a physical attraction and they also flirt, but they're just friends, like. Like can't. Like, you're telling me that, like.

[Another Male Commentator]

Well, in this case, I don't think Sierra ever said that she was physically attracted to Jesse.

[Nick (Host)]

Maybe not. I don't know. But I don't also don't think. I also don't think Sierra, when she's having that awkward moment with Jesse when she goes, like, she's just very earnest and sincere. She's like, you know, if you really wanted to, you could have just asked. And we don't know whether Sierra would have again pursued Jesse. But again, back to what. How. How Sierra describes how she wants to meet someone. Someone. It's very coded in these types of friends that she has where she's hoping that if. If one of these guys that. If he was really serious about it and really wanted to, like, take that next step, she's just expecting a guy to, like, take himself seriously, take her seriously, and pursue her like, the way she deserves to be treated. So I'm just saying, like, you. It can't be both. And I'm just friends with him, and, like, I can't believe that he's making a move.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Move.

[Nick (Host)]

And I'm so weirded out. Versus I'm just saying, like, those types of friendships always have an expiration date.

[Another Male Commentator]

Because it was the way that. That Jesse went about it, right? Because Sierra specifically said it outright. She was like, what she wants is she wants to be friends with someone, and then she wants him to, like, ask her on a date properly. What Jesse did is he went around her talk no, he made it.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, he did the thing where he made it weird. I'm. Yeah, Jesse fucked up. I'm just saying these types of friendships in general always have some kind of exploration expiration date. And it's like, it's just a matter of time before someone reads it wrong or makes it weird or whatever.

[Another Male Commentator]

They recovered. Right. Like, they had that very mature conversation. And I think that they'll continue to be friends. Maybe just.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I think their friendship will be a little different.

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah, right. Because when someone makes it kind of

[Mary (Commentator)]

weird, you just have to, like, reset boundaries after that situation. Like, I think they're gonna be fine,

[Nick (Host)]

but their boundaries are very confusing. I just.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I mean, it might become a little clearer now, but that's what I'm saying. Where I'm like. I think even then, when friendships are, like, ambiguous like that, where it's like, oh, it's fun, it's flirty, it's whatever, but it's platonic. It's nothing serious.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Those are both single.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's fun to joke, but I'm like, it's never taken, like, that step. And Sierra's not the type of girl that's just gonna, like, make out drunkenly one night and be like, oh, will we? Won't we? You know?

[Nick (Host)]

Yeah. When Jesse goes. Sierra doesn't want to be casual. Like, that was such a. Like, that's who Jesse is right now. He just every. And West. Like, I like Wes, but I think Wes. I think the difference between west, maturity and Jesse is that Jesse does this thing where he's like, he's giving boy. He's giving boy. But, like, whether it's last season, Lexi. Is that he's. He's like, no, I'm really serious about finding a girl I'm really want. Like, I'm a relationship guy, you know? And then he, like, kind of giving little love bomby and, like, really leans in. But the end of the day, what he. Is this all he wants to keep it casual? He wants to be in his late 20s, early 30s, famous, living in New York. And it seems like Wes is pretty. Like, yeah, I'm just kind of keeping it casual and doesn't do the thing where he kind of, like, jumps into a relationship. And to me, that's a little bit more mature than Jesse because Jesse does the thing where he wants his cake and eat it too. And, like, sometimes when he really likes a girl, it gets very confusing for her because, like, he thinks he can, like, keep it Casual with his women friends and be flirty while also, like, say, like, I'm in love with you, Jesse.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Jesse, like, is trying to u haul but as a straight man. And it's just. It doesn't work like that. That's my take on Jesse.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah. I think. I think that that Sierra's approach isn't flawed. I think that it's. That it, from what I've seen is that you could have a platonic friendship. It just. Both parties need to be down for it and both parties need to, like, yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Understand the bound.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, let's see what happens with her and Ben's friendship and her and KJ's friendship. Like, so far, those seem like very healthy. Platonic.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I also think she kind of like, if you're gonna have the audacity to go into the idea of do anything going further with. With me, then, like, from the friendship that we have, you should have been able to come to me with that, not talk about me. Like, I'm just another girl that you're just gonna drunkenly make out.

[Female Co-host]

It's like Carl and. And Sierra last season kind of had like a flirty banter. Carl then went to Sierra and was like, I think feel like if things went differently, it would have been me and you.

[Another Male Commentator]

And she was like, I'm not into it. And then they recovered and they're still friends. A great relationship. And Carl could go in the bed and Carl.

[Female Co-host]

But also Carl could be a bedbug.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Carl was so sweet about it too. He was just like, I think you're beautiful and amazing.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

Carl's a little bit more serious and intentional now. Immature. When Jesse's just like, well, j.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Like, honestly, like, Jesse sounds like Jesse.

[Female Co-host]

I think any friendship that's man, woman, woman at some point has to have that conversation.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I agree.

[Female Co-host]

Regardless of if you're flirty, regardless if you're not flirty, just at some point you need to have the.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Like, if it's not you guys, it's probably other people asking.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, because, like, Jesse admitting that it's like, Sierra doesn't keep him casual. To me, it says he would have been down to have this casual thing with Sierra if she were down, which

[Female Co-host]

means he would have some casual with literally.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Literally anything.

[Another Male Commentator]

He let someone random suck his toe.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

And that is not the type of guy that it's like, yeah, you, You. You're. You're platonic friends with.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And I think the difference between Jesse and West is that, like, Jesse still has the Delusion that he could maybe keep it casual. Sierra, even though deep down he knows that's not true and he was just making TV and disrespecting his friend along the way, which they're moving past. But west at this point has learned his lesson with Sierra and knows that he can't pull that shit and can't pretend to keep something casual when it's not. And so now he's longing and yearning for her being like they love each other.

[Another Male Commentator]

Well.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

And I'm also, maybe I would be

[Mary (Commentator)]

down to like have something with this girl. And he just knows he fucked up.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I also kind of think too where I'm like just what? The unnatural element to this too is the fact that they are on a show together repeatedly year after year. So I'm also kind of like. And they were made friends because they were put in a share house on a show together, not because they chose each other. So it's not like Sierra was like, oh my God, Jesse, you have such amazing standup qualities. It's like, no, I got to know who you are outside of being somebody that is that you're interested in and somebody that's dating you. So I see the person that you are, the good friend that you can be versus like, oh, I met him out, he's a sleaze bag.

[Female Co-host]

And also their first time meeting, she was with his best friend.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Exactly.

[Female Co-host]

His friend of on the show.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Like remember they kissed on the lips while she was, while she was dating Wes. Like a funny joke. Haha. So I'm like, they've always, this whole group already has this like very interesting dynamic of a friendship. But I'm just like, I just don't think it's anything is that serious until you know, Jesse's talking about something that sounds like, oh, that sounds serious.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, it's not that serious until someone's crying about because like their feelings are.

[Female Co-host]

Because it's something serious because someone makes it serious.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah, well, because you trust someone and then they go, you think that you know someone and then they, you know,

[Mary (Commentator)]

mean what I. I mean stab you in the back.

[Nick (Host)]

It's an interesting question of just like how reliable or how good familiarity is when you're, when you're meeting someone.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Come again?

[Nick (Host)]

Well, familiarity, like we like familiarity. It's like part of chemistry, you know, like, like you said, they all work together, they go out, they're all familiar with each other and so there's this like, it's just easier to get along. They, this whole cast, no one can relate to them. Like, they can relate to each other. That's why, you know, like, familiarity. We go to the same church. We were both on the Bachelor together. Whatever it is, you know, like, that creates this kind of chemistry, you know, like, Natalie and I had no familiarity when we met each other. You know, it's like we had to get to know each other. That made a little awkward, and there's tension at first. But, like, I think when we date, we, you know, what do we say about. The challenge about dating is like, those, like, superficial conversations on a date where you're just like, I don't even know if I fucking care.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

All right, so what's your mom's name?

[Nick (Host)]

But familiarity, like, allows us to feel this chemistry. It makes it easy at first, but I think it limits our pool. And it makes us, like, have chemistry with people who are otherwise deeply flawed, at least for us.

[Male Commentator]

Yeah, that's true.

[Andrew (Age of Attraction Cast)]

And.

[Nick (Host)]

Or considerate and, you know, like, who. We don't even know what Sierra's dating life is like outside the show. You know, it's like, for all. It's just. They're just making tv. But we see, like, all these people have this familiarity. They're all, like, pretty good looking. They're all charismatic, and it's almost, like, impossible not to, like, make bad decisions in the. In this. In this framework of the show.

[Male Commentator]

It's like, you get. You get.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Hello, Vanderpump rules. I was like, it's the perfect example, the blueprint of just, like, this group of people that are together all the time. Nobody understands their plight. They're working as, like, waiters, but then there's getting paid pennies. And yet, like, they're known all over the world, if not just the United States, as, like, people are coming to go to this restaurant to harass Stassi, hoping they get sat in her section. That I'm like, it's not crazy that, like, oh, the best friend hooks up with the ex boyfriend, the whole thing, and it's just like, yeah, because there's nobody else in there in their little bubble of people, which is why I just made such great reality talk.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, at high school, you only. You only knew 10 people. You weren't even allowed to, like, go across town to meet someone else. And you're just like, well, I guess you're not gonna.

[Male Commentator]

Limited options.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, that's really.

[Nick (Host)]

Are you not. You don't like her anymore? Can I.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You know, reality television is literally just taking, like, junior year and putting it in your 30s and God bless.

[Nick (Host)]

I mean, like, yeah. Last Week.

[Male Commentator]

When.

[Nick (Host)]

When, you know, the fact that Jesse, like, if he would care is the most high school behavior in the world.

[Another Male Commentator]

I went to a private high school. We had 30 kids in our class. Imagine that. Literally. That is. And guess what?

[Mary (Commentator)]

Leah's married to her childhood sweetheart.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Literally.

[Another Male Commentator]

And I married one of them.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, Summer house. I mean, the relationship discourse is outstanding.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Ugh, Thriving.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah. Well, I think that Wes and Sierra

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

will get back together.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Me too.

[Female Co-host]

And I also want that Cartier watch.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

Yeah, I got a link for you.

[Nick (Host)]

I was watching it and then like, you know what? Kyle's getting a lot of attention for this watch. Maybe I need to buy less stuff.

[Female Co-host]

And I was like, we still did not get a sex scene that night. It's not like she laid it on him. Like, we didn't get an undercover black and white moan session.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

All she asked for was a couple's photo. And she took one with Ben. He was standing right there.

[Female Co-host]

But she did sit on his lap.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah, she sat on his lap. She got a cardiovilt and they had a. A kiss.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

They had a kiss.

[Another Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick (Host)]

No, I mean, for her saying, now I can leave them. It's like the.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

But also Kyle being like, we had so much fun. I've never been more in love with you. I was like, yes, because she stayed up past midnight, like, and she went out with you.

[Nick (Host)]

We were. Natalie and I. That's why I love my life so much. We were so on the same page. When they're like, they come home from the bars at 3, 3 o' clock,

[Female Co-host]

And staying out, continuing, like, I kept being like, what time is it by now? It's gotta be 5am I was gonna

[Another Male Commentator]

say, I was like, chicken dip. What time. What time was the buffalo chicken dip coming out of the oven?

[Mary (Commentator)]

Guys, that's like the best. No, that's the best part of the night. Oh, my God. When you. When you come back to the house after going out and then you're like

[Female Co-host]

pizza rolls, but you eat for 20 minutes and then you go to bed.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You music.

[Nick (Host)]

Keeping the party going for me is crazy. Maybe some good, like a bowl of

[Another Male Commentator]

cereal and you go to bed.

[Nick (Host)]

Junk food, for sure. Maybe a video game with the boys. But like, I need to wind down.

[Female Co-host]

No, I'm getting ready to go tonight.

[Mary (Commentator)]

No, we're winding down. My favorite night that I've like, had out with some friends. This one time was me and two of my friends went to a bar. We got back at probably like 12, 12:30. And then we both. We had talked about the movie Nyad we and we're making like fun of it. And then we were like, should we just watch it? And then we had another drink and ordered food and watched nyad.

[Male Commentator]

How long is it?

[Mary (Commentator)]

Like two hours. And we weren't gonna finish it. And then we did.

[Male Commentator]

3:00am is not that.

[Female Co-host]

Yeah. These people got home 6:00am is over time and we're eating buffalo chicken dip at what had to be 5am Listen,

[Nick (Host)]

I stayed out the bar time plenty of times. It's just like when I get home at three, it's like time to wind down. The fact that they are and were like kept it going.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

You haven't come back to a house with your friends and been like, all right. It's after partying down.

[Nick (Host)]

Well, you know, they truly are a group of friends for them to be

[Alex (Love is Blind Cast)]

able to do that.

[Nick (Host)]

Oh yeah.

[Another Male Commentator]

Buffalo chicken dip takes 40 minutes to make by.

[Nick (Host)]

Oh my God.

[Mary (Commentator)]

And guess what? They're bomb.

[Female Co-host]

It had to be pre made and they were just heating it up like there's no way. They were like shredding chicken.

[Mary (Commentator)]

Oh. So guess what? West and Sierra are trying to stay awake grating cheese.

[Male Commentator]

There's no. I've actually peeped that before that. The amount of like uber eats they order like, it's got to be a lot of like frozen.

[Nick (Host)]

I hope you're right, Mary, about West and Sierra. I'm afraid you're wrong. And I don't say that to me.

[Natalie Joy (Co-host)]

I'm team West Sierra.

[Mary (Commentator)]

I'm team west and Sierra.

[Nick (Host)]

I think I'm team Sierra. I'm team Sierra's heart. I just don't want it. I just don't want it.

[Female Co-host]

We'll end it there, everybody. Thank you to our guests Andrew and Derek and Alex from Love is blind.

[Another Male Commentator]

Watch Age of Attraction.

[Nick (Host)]

Watch Age of Attraction and we'll see you tomorrow for an incredible going deeper with Amber and Brittany. Bye.

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