E1093 - Going Deeper with Amber and Brittany: Love is Blind Unpacked

Summary

The Viall Files, Ep. 1093: Going Deeper with Amber and Brittany - "Love is Blind Unpacked"

Date: March 13, 2026
Host: Nick Viall
Guests: Amber & Brittany (from Love is Blind)

Episode Overview

This special "Going Deeper" episode invites Amber and Brittany from the most recent season of Love is Blind to discuss their post-show lives, unpack the end of their on-screen relationships, and respond candidly to both support and criticism received since the show's airing. The conversation, led by Nick Viall, delves into their emotional recovery, behind-the-scenes dynamics, manipulations, and the broader realities of dating on and off reality TV.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Initial Check-In: Emotional Fallout (01:47-03:14)

• Amber: Still healing from the shock of her divorce from Jordan. Her fellow castmates have been her support system.
  • "It was a really good, honestly, learning experience for me." (Amber, 02:16)
• Brittany: Describes initial weeks post-show as “very, very emotional” but now feels “happy, free, and ready for the next thing.”
  • “Now that I’ve seen everything and have been able to live it all, I feel so much better.” (Brittany, 02:53)

2. Amber’s Marriage and Split from Jordan (03:40-27:15)

• Surprise Divorce:
  Amber was “absolutely caught off guard” when Jordan left (03:52).
• Life After the Wedding:
  Despite solid plans for cohabitation and a positive bond between Jordan and Amber's daughter, Emma, Jordan became emotionally distant after the wedding (05:05-06:07).
  • “From the day to day, we talked every day... I was not expecting at all.” (Amber, 03:55)
• Parenting Decisions Under Scrutiny:
  Amber explains why she introduced Emma to Jordan and pushes back against criticism for doing so.
  • “She has a great dad she loves. I didn’t need someone to fill that void.” (Amber, 25:27)
• The Infamous Wedding Story:
  Amber is frustrated that Jordan weaponized a single night where she fell asleep drunk at a wedding to justify their split, despite him drinking heavily and leaving her alone in her car.
  • “He puts you in my car, takes my keys, and... goes back to party with his friends.” (Amber, 16:18)
  • Nick: "At a minimum, get her in an Uber... I feel like that’s kind of bare minimum." (Nick, 17:34)
• Post-Separation Dynamics:
  Jordan coldly returned her things, refused counseling, and never reached out again—nor said goodbye to Emma (20:05-26:36).

3. Behind-the-Scenes on Love is Blind & Reunion Fallout (24:52-25:25, 59:11-62:30)

• Lack of Accountability:
  Jordan deflected responsibility, using the wedding incident as his excuse, tried to control the narrative at the reunion, and never owned his emotional withdrawal.
  • “He just walked out my door... you don’t chase men.” (Amber, 21:07)
• Reunion Drama:
  Amber was blindsided by personal attacks from Jordan and by him spreading the “drunk mom” narrative.
  • “So many people online... are like, ‘She’s a drunk mom.’ Like, that’s dangerous territory.” (Amber, 24:30)

4. Brittany’s Relationship with Devonte: Manipulation, Gaslighting, and Aftermath (30:08-48:55)

• Support & Manipulation:
  Devonte experienced family loss, job changes, and emotional distance. Brittany tried to extend patience, but now sees this was used against her.
  • “He continually kept telling me, just keep being patient... But I should've gone with my gut.” (Brittany, 31:12)
• Love Bombing & Gaslighting:
  Brittany discusses the love-bomb/pull-away technique and how Devonte’s attention was conditional and performative.
  • “I was feeling all the things. I was addressing everything... I was trying to trust him.” (Brittany, 32:38)
  • “He would, like, dangle these little carrots... just keep being patient with me.” (Brittany, 33:26)
• Post-show Betrayals:
  Devonte lied about a “work trip” that was actually a trip to Texas with female castmates. He ghosted Brittany, ended their relationship via text, and promptly moved on.
  • “He goes to Michigan for a work trip. Come to find out, he goes to Texas for a concert with Ashley, Bri, Priyanka.” (Brittany, 47:39)
  • “I got that same ChatGPT breakup text he sent to Taylor.” (Brittany, 48:55)
  • “People are like, ‘How did you not know?’ But when people are manipulating you like that... you’re almost trauma-bonded at that point.” (Amber, 48:57)

5. Men’s Behavior on Love Is Blind Ohio: Critique and Context (56:00-66:20)

• Pattern Recognition:
  Both express that insecure men often respond to accomplished, stable women with manipulation, control, and eventually blame-shifting.
  • “Some men have this ego... once they realize they can't control, they look for excuses why you’re not adequate enough.” (Amber, 56:21)
• Chris’s Apology & Intentions Questioned:
  Both women reject Chris' public apology as insincere and only done for optics, sharing that he’s been problematic in the local dating scene as well.
  • “He’s on [‘Are We Dating the Same Guy’], he’s turning dates... This was not a learning experience until it got blasted.” (Amber, 57:14)
  • “He already blamed the edit.” (Nick, 58:30)

6. Physical Appearance, Internet Criticism, and Age Talk (81:07-84:16)

• Public Scrutiny:
  Amber addresses the online age-shaming and related rumors with candor and a dose of humor.
  • “These women are like, ‘I’m 43 and I look better than her.’ Do you want me to mail you a cookie?... I don’t care about you, Susan from Arkansas.” (Amber, 82:46)
• Health Struggles & Production Realities:
  She shares about stress and medical issues affecting her looks during filming, and encourages viewers to give the women grace.
  • “You’re hyped up to believe this is your person... and women do this all the time.” (Amber, 84:19)

7. Moving On, Lessons Learned, and Advice (85:48–end)

• Empathy & Real Life:
  Both guests plead for viewers to remember that reality TV casts are humans:
  • “It’s really easy to watch TV and not put yourself in their shoes. If you had a camera following you, you’d cringe at some things too.” (Brittany, 86:17)
• Personal Takeaways:
  • Amber: “If a man walks out of your life, you don’t chase him... You don’t let the door hit him on the way out.”
  • Brittany: “He could be a good guy if he really tried to be the person he describes himself to be.” (86:57)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the sudden breakup:
  “He came with a basket full of my stuff... sat down on my couch, and said, ‘This just isn’t working.’” (Amber, 20:05)
• On manipulation:
  “People that are chronic liars... it literally gets wired in their brain where they can tell you that wall is orange, and they start to believe it.” (Amber, 87:34)
• Nick on the “bare minimum” in relationships:
  “Get her in an Uber... text me when you get home... I feel like that’s kind of bare minimum.” (Nick, 17:34)
• About dating in the wild:
  “Is this just how it is out there in the wild or only crazy men show up on Love is Blind in Ohio?” (Nick, 56:00)
• On public criticism:
  “Do you want me to mail you a fudgeing cookie?... I don’t care about you, Susan from Arkansas.” (Amber, 82:46)

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Timeline of Major Segments

• 01:40 – 03:14 - Intros, emotional check-in with the guests.
• 03:40 – 27:15 - Amber and Jordan's relationship: breakdown, aftermath, and the infamous wedding/drinking story.
• 30:08 – 48:55 - Brittany and Devonte’s journey: manipulations, the concert lie, their real breakup, and emotional fallout.
• 56:00 – 66:20 - Broader patterns in the men's behavior, commentary on dating dynamics, and production’s impact.
• 81:07 – 84:16 - Addressing appearance-related criticism and handling negativity with grace.
• 85:48 – End - Final thoughts, what’s next for the women, and closing encouragement to reality TV audiences.

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

This episode offers a raw, honest look at the realities of dating after reality TV stardom. Both Amber and Brittany are candid about their mistakes, the manipulations they experienced, and their determination not to be ashamed of their journeys—even when faced with intense public scrutiny. Their big message: behind every viral edit and reunion clap-back are real people doing their best—and everyone, both on and off screen, deserves a little more grace.

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Transcript

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[Brittany]

You're crazy.

[Nick Lachey]

Amber hi, welcome to the show.

[Amber]

Thank you for having me.

[Nick Lachey]

Brittany, welcome to the show.

[Brittany]

Hi. Thank you for having me too.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, we're excited to both talk to you ladies. Obviously a lot to get into. We have the pleasure of having Amber here in studio and fortunately for the world, Britney is obviously doing the the Lord's work as a nurse and doing some great things. Unfortunately, that meant she couldn't make the trip out, but we're excited to be with you both and certainly a lot to get into. First of all, like, how's your heart? Amber?

[Amber]

You know what? I'm doing okay.

[Nick Lachey]

Okay.

[Amber]

It's been a long six months, but I've had a lot of support. I was not expecting the outcome to go like that, but luckily the girls really lifted me up along the way. I reached out to them immediately after Jordan and I after Jordan decided he wanted to not be a part of this anymore I was very broken at first, but, you know, I took the time to really heal, really focus on myself. It was a really good, honestly, learning experience for me.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah. Yeah. And how are you doing overall, Brittany, with this? Just kind of like watching the season unfold and everything that's come with it.

[Brittany]

The first few weeks were very, very emotional, processing, watching everything, very hurtful. But now I feel like now that I've seen everything and have been able to live it all, I feel so much better. I feel happy, I feel free. I feel ready for the next thing.

[Nick Lachey]

And you two are.

[Brittany]

Are.

[Nick Lachey]

Have remained close, correct?

[Amber]

Absolutely.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, this will be very helpful because obviously, I know this is, you know, will be emotional for both of you ladies, and I, you know, I'm sure there's a little bit of nerves, but feel free to help each, you know, you guys know so much of each other's story. Feel free to help guide the other person along if they'. If they're living things out. Amber, I want to start with you. You kind of mentioned. So ultimately, it was Jordan who decided he wanted to get a divorce.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Nick Lachey]

And then I'm curious, is that when it happened, were you really caught off guard, or were there things leading up to that where you were just like, okay, this isn't going the way I thought it would?

[Amber]

No, I was absolutely caught off guard.

[Nick Lachey]

Okay.

[Amber]

We had had a few fights, but from the day to day, we talked every day. It was, I love you. We had a good weekend. You know what I mean? There were a couple instances, but for the most part, we were doing pretty well. I kind of felt towards the end, he was starting to get a little bit emotionally guarded and taking steps back. I gave him a little bit of space, and he came back and was just like, this isn't what I want. And that was not what I was expecting at all.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, when you. When you first got out, like, at post wedding, you know, you're leaving the bubble. You know, I think for a lot of people who go in these kind of experiments, there can be kind of a decompression period where you kind of go into the real world. And then I think sometimes in these situations, people can almost pull away a little bit because it's like, what almost what just happened? I'm curious, what was it like, the days following your wedding? You know, you guys are into the real world. What were some of those conversations that you and Jordan had about, like, all right, what's next? Like, what are we going to do? You know, moving forward? And, like, what was what was the vibe of that.

[Amber]

So immediately after the wedding, everything was going fine. We had conversations about him moving in potentially that July. I wanted to give him and Emma a chance to really grow a bond. And I know there's a lot of controversy about why. How could you bring a man into your life after he only met your daughter one day? I'm gonna be honest, that one day that they met, they had an impeccable bond. It was amazing. I could feel it. My daughter doesn't really get close to that many people, and they just bonded instantly. I am not a person that brings multiple men into her life. This is actually the first man she had met in any of my relationships. And.

[Interviewer/Host]

And he was your husband.

[Amber]

Yeah. And he was about to be my husband. And realistically, they. I had never had any worries about that. Jor. Not the. All in all, he is a good guy. You know, I. He's not the type of guy that I was like, oh, he might be skeezy. He, you know, might be dangerous towards my daughter. Like, he doesn't have a dangerous bone in his body. So there was nothing about that that really shook me also, Like, I mean,

[Nick Lachey]

again, every parent, you know, do you. You know, with your kids, I always find that conversation a little odd when. When. When people judge how single parents go about introducing people to their kids. As if, like, people meet your kids every day.

[Amber]

Exactly.

[Nick Lachey]

You know, river meets adults every day. She plays with them. It's not like some, like, ceremony.

[Amber]

Right.

[Nick Lachey]

Like, I don't, like. I imagine you didn't, like, lay it all on Emma right away, where you, like, gave her the whole, like, this man's going to be in your life for the rest of your life. Like, you just like, here's a guy

[Amber]

here, you know, and we had. I had talked with her previously before meeting, like, hey, this may happen, this may not. This is what's going on. She's very understanding, and I honestly wasn't going to bring her to the wedding just in case it was a no, but she begged me because she's never been a flower girl. She was just like, please, please, please. I was like, I'm not really sure what's gonna happen. So she had a full understanding in that moment. The camera gets her tearing up a little bit, and it literally was just because everybody was so loud. She hates a lot of loud noises and a lot of clap, loud clapping and everything. So she just felt overwhelmed at that moment. And, you know, I can't. I can't even take her to fireworks because she hates all that noise. We weren't expecting all that noise when everybody was. So that's why she just kind of got overwhelmed and started tearing up. She was completely fine after the ceremony. She was actually, you know, very excited about the whole process. So that being said, you know, him and I had planned to move in together around July be to give her a chance to really bond with him.

[Nick Lachey]

What month was the wedding?

[Amber]

April.

[Nick Lachey]

April. Okay.

[Amber]

Beginning of April. So we talked about that. Him, you know, coming up and staying throughout the week and just really seeing how things went. Which again, throughout that process, the bond between him and her grew. And it was actually really incredible. She absolutely loved him. Would make him pictures, just she got so excited whenever he was about to come up. So that portion of it, you know, wasn't an issue at all.

[Nick Lachey]

And like, post wedding, I'm assuming you checked in or did you kind of just assume everything was great like right after the wedding? Did he ever give you any kind of. He was having a hard time adjusting vibes to, like, being outside of the love is blind bubble into the real world?

[Amber]

No, not really. I knew it was going to be an adjustment period. I don't think they show this in the show, but on our wedding day, he told me, I've talked to my family and I'm gonna come move to Mount Vernon for at least a little bit because it's not fair to uproot you and Emma. Like, you know, he was totally down for that. And I was like, we're not stuck here for the rest of our lives. Plus, it's actually only like 45 minutes to an hour from the city. It's not a big deal. Like, I literally go to Columbus all the time. Any weekend that I want to go out or do anything, I'm there. I can take an Uber home. Like, it's not like I'm seven hours away from anything.

[Nick Lachey]

And what was his big reason for not wanting to move? Was it like anything specific, like a job, or was it just he works from home? Just didn't want to.

[Amber]

He works from home. His. He was concerned about being uprooted from his friends, which was a little bit concerning for me because I guess, like being in my position, like with a full time career and a daughter, I don't consider my friends for where I live. I go to see them when I see them, but they're not, you know, I'm not like hanging out every Tuesday, Thursday on their couch. Like it was when I was like 22.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah. Brittany, what was your impression of. Of Jordan as you Got to know him in the kind of love is blood experiment. What were you thinking about Amber and Jordan's kind of strength as a couple as they kind of embarked outside their wedding?

[Brittany]

Jordan is a teddy bear. He's just a big teddy bear. I think Jordan is a really good guy. Um, and I think he truly wanted to show up for Amber. And he helped bring Amber to a place where she, she loved men. Because before that, in the pod, she was not rocking with men. So it was, it was so great to see that he brought out like, her real personality and who she is. And I really thought that they were like, so perfect together. Um, so it was really sad to see that things didn't work out. But it is what it is.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah. I mean, and that's. This, is, this whole experiment is, well, just that an experiment. And it's. It's fascinating to see how, how things unfold. Do you think I'm curious, as you reflect back now, Amber, like, like what, what is your read on kind of what happened with you and Jordan? Do you think it was just a matter of him realizing he wasn't mature enough to handle this type of relationship or.

[Amber]

Yeah, and I don't even think he's realized that yet. Even he, as things progressed, I think he did not want to be tied down. And I think that was scaring him. And he keeps deflecting on other things. Like at the reunion, he deflects on, oh, I came to a wedding. And he tries to make it sound like I missed the entire ceremony and showed up drunk and was a drunken mess at that wedding that actually didn't happen. I actually have, I have receipts.

[Nick Lachey]

Love it.

[Amber]

So he tries to make that like a big deal. And then that I've seen like, online turned into like, oh, Amber was a drunk mom, blah, blah. I'll tell you right now, I don't have time to be a drunk. Like, quite honestly, I am a primary care provider in family medicine. I have like 1200 patients under me solely. I have a collaborating physician, but he has his own patient group. So I'm typically at work Monday through Thursday. I usually work from 9 till around 7:30pm and then I live a half hour from there. So I get home around 8. Matt drops Emma off. You know, I get her showered, we do anything that's left with homework, you know, I get her to bed. Okay. By this time it's like 9:30. Then I sit down to have dinner around like 9:45, 10 o'. Clock. And then I go to bed Monday through Thursday and Then I have Emma on Fridays, so we have a pizza party or a dance party. You know, I make it special. I take a roller skating, different things like that. And then Saturdays, I can kind of do what I want. Matt has her Saturday and Sunday. But I can count on my hand the amount of times I've been out. The only times I've actually been out were when I was with Britney and the girls. And how many times have we met up in the last, like six months? Maybe five.

[Brittany]

Exactly. Handful of times where we've gone out.

[Amber]

Yeah. And I'm not sitting there, like, killing bottles, like, at my house. You know what I mean? And I think that's why it's funny, because I look a little bit tipsy on most of the episodes because I really don't drink that much. And I was, you know, you're on the show, you're nervous, so you are drinking. I don't have my kid, so it kind of hit me hard. And I'd like, you have a glass of jewel wine. And I'm like, you know, I'm not used to that. So anyway, with this wedding that he completely deflected to.

[Nick Lachey]

Do you know about this, Brittany?

[Brittany]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen. Seen the text thread between them and the communication. That was very clear.

[Amber]

He goes, it starts at 5. Want to get here a little early to get seated? So I say, okay, I'm on my way. At that time, my car went into what's called limp mode because there was something wrong with it. So I don't know if that's ever happened to you or not, but it's bas where your car won't go above, like 35 miles an hour.

[Nick Lachey]

I had that happen.

[Amber]

It is terrible.

[Nick Lachey]

It's a weird thing. Like, what is going on with my car?

[Amber]

Absolutely terrible. I did not have time. Like, I'm on my way to this wedding and I'm. It's. I have to take all these back roads too. So I'm trying to go up these hills, right? So there's a line of cars, like, behind me, like, honking, like, give me the middle finger. Because I'm like, ah. Like, I cannot actually get there. So I'm telling him about this in this text message. I'm like, I'm so stressed. I don't know if I can make it exactly by five. And he goes, okay, just be careful. Are you going to get the car situation tomorrow? And I'm, you know, we're talking about that. That. He's like, it's so annoying. So I End up getting there. He goes, I've already had eight beers, though. LOL. Oops. And this is at like 5pm which it's his best for Jordan. Go ahead, get drunk. He didn't stop drinking. So, no, I did not show up to this wedding trash. I did miss a ceremony because my car was, you know, in a bad situation. He was lit at this wedding. Like, I ended up. I was very, very stressed out from. I was working even longer hours. I was actually that week in my clinic until around 10pm every night. It was terrible because of a few things that were going on in the practice. So I get there, I am exhausted. This is a Friday, Friday wedding, you know, I started drinking liquor, which I never drink liquor. I almost always drink wine. I don't know why. Somebody handed me, like, a Tito's and soda or something, and I was just so stressed out from the car and that I started just drinking it. And that, like, completely annihilated me. I didn't do anything that was, like, crazy. I literally just, like, by 10pm fell asleep on the table. So at the reunion, Jordan deflects this and makes me look like this awful drunk person that I'm.

[Nick Lachey]

It was also just, like, one night, right?

[Amber]

It was one night. I apologize 900 times the next day because what happened? He saw me fall asleep at the table. I don't know what I said. He says, I said a bunch of stuff to him. He was lit, okay. So I don't know if that even actually happens. He tries to tell people I try to drive home. I don't drink and drive. So, you know, if anything, I may have been like, I'm gonna go home. Like, you've.

[Nick Lachey]

You've had drinks with Amber? Britney, you can confirm Ubers every time.

[Amber]

Absolutely.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, all I need to know is that before he even laid eyes on Amber, he was eight beers deep.

[Amber]

Yeah, I'm like, you're telling me. You know, and so it's so funny. I mean, the man loves to drink. Obviously. He's getting, like, promos from beer and everything like that. Every single picture is at a bar. The reason he didn't want to move to Melbourne, and one of them was because there weren't enough bars. So trust me, drinking on my end was not the problem.

[Nick Lachey]

Did he literally tell you that? That there's not enough bars, or was that something you assumed?

[Amber]

No, no, he said that even it's recorded on the show. So he takes my keys and puts me in my car to go to sleep, and I fall asleep, and he goes Back and keeps partying with his friends. This is at, like, 11pm at night. And I wake up and I'm, like, scared and alone in my car. I don't know where he's at. I'm hurt that he just left.

[Nick Lachey]

Wait, wait. So wait, hold on. You're at this wedding. You had a little bit to drink. He was also drunk. He does what?

[Amber]

He puts you in my car. In your car, but took my keys. Like, I wasn't going to drive anyways, I promise you.

[Interviewer/Host]

But he, like, leave the car running. Were some windows down. Were you, like.

[Nick Lachey]

Wait, so he brought you to your car. You're obviously inebriated. Not, you know, which is. We have all been there. And he took your keys and left you in a car.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

In a parking lot.

[Amber]

Yeah. And went back to party with his friends. And again, it's not like he'd been partying, obviously, with them all day. He was eight beers deep by five. So it's again, probably 10 or 11pm at this time, I am not one. Even when I go out drinking to stay up super late, Brit can attest to that. I am, like, in bed by midnight every single time. So I wake up, and I'm really, really hurt because I'm like, where is my husband? Why am I in this situation? So I Uber. I got an Uber and Ubered home. Like, I didn't even really want to talk to him at that point because I'm, like, really hanging out with, like, your friends and drink. I get that it's your best friend's wedding, but you have been drinking all day.

[Nick Lachey]

I mean, at that point, his best friend's married.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

And, you know, I don't.

[Amber]

Right, Right.

[Nick Lachey]

I'm assuming she's with his bride.

[Interviewer/Host]

I was about to say, I'm sure he wants to hang out with his wife.

[Amber]

Yeah. Yeah, I know.

[Nick Lachey]

So I feel like the responsibility of the best man at that point by 11 is probably wrapped up, and I feel like he should have been with his inebriated wife.

[Brittany]

Right.

[Nick Lachey]

Like, making sure she got home okay. At a minimum, like, get her in an Uber and like, hey, text me when you get home. But, like, I feel like that's kind of barman.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

But, yeah, you can. You can just be like, all right, it's time to go. And you can be irritated with your wife, I guess, you know, she got a little sauce at your best friend's wedding, you. There's a conversation maybe to be had the next day, but.

[Amber]

Oh, it. He says, that was what killed our relationship. And I Was like, are you kidding me? And he kept alluding that. So I ubered home back to Mount Vernon. The next day, he's like, I can't even believe you're not apologizing. Blah, blah, blah. Like, we ended up talking it out. I apologize 900 times the rest of the relationship. I don't drink liquor. I don't get drunk like that. You know, him and I went to. We had a weekend in New Orleans with his friends. I didn't get too drunk at all. You know, he actually got more lit, and I didn't care. I'm like, you're with your friends. I. It is what it is. Like, there was never another time where it was like, amber, is this, like, you know, crazy person? Like, I made sure at that point, like, nope, I'm not going to drink any liquor. We're going to kind of move forward with this. And, you know, that was that. So that being said, at the. I feel like he started to realize he wasn't ready to just kind of settle down in Mount Vernon, which, again, we weren't going to be there for forever. You know, I just needed a chance to, like, potentially sell my house, see if I wanted to keep Emma in the school systems, you know? And I was kind of trying to work that out because I was like, actually, I could probably drive her every day, honestly.

[Nick Lachey]

So your expectation right after the wedding was give me some time. I have a daughter. We have an established life here. But, like, long term, we, as a married couple can figure this out. And it doesn't have to be Mount Vernon. I just need some. I just need. Give me some time.

[Amber]

Like, I have to sell my house.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

I'm just like, yeah. I want to clarify just for the audience.

[Amber]

Absolutely. Like, there's a lot of things when you're a homeowner that you have to do before you just move. So, again, that being said, I feel like he started to realize he wasn't ready. So then he just started deflecting on that moment over and over again. He started kind of making these excuses in his head. He started pulling back a little bit more. I still don't think he can admit that, because at the reunion, it was pretty clear that he couldn't. He was, like, just so kind of not really aggressive, but just. It was a really bad, weird vibe.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did y' all have any conversation before reunion of like, hey, this is what we are gonna share with the world? This is what we're not gonna share. Like, were you on the same page at all going into reunion, or were

[Amber]

you like, I don't know what the he's gonna say. I. So I didn't know what he was going to say. So I give him two weeks off. And then we had talked about counseling, too, for a little bit. Even though we weren't really having that many issues, I knew he wanted to do it. And he kind of kept, again, deflecting to that. I was like, I'm absolutely game for counseling. You know, that is completely fine. So gave him the two weeks off. He's like, can I come up to Mount Vernon and talk? He comes up and he. I'm expecting him to be like, yeah, you know, let's do the counseling. Let's work on this. You know, it is what it is. There was never any of those, like, terrible, terrible moments between us where I thought it would end. And he came and he had a basket full of my stuff that I had at his house. And he's, like, sat down on my couch. He's like, yep, this just isn't working. Like, I was like, what do you mean? It's just not working. Like, we're not, like, dating. Like, this is. We're married. And I was in utter shock, honestly. And I was like, jordan, like, whoa, wait a second. And like, I. I'm begging you, let's go to counseling. I was like, you don't even have to talk to me. We can have our first talking session and counseling. Like, I don't care. I really. I was like, marriage is super important to me. I really want this to work. Like, at this point, he had gotten to know my daughter really well. She was so close with him, and he's like, nope, nope, nope. And I just started, like, bawling. I'm like, please, like, what is going on? And he's like, he just walked out my door. And you know what I've learned is you don't chase men. So from that moment, I. He never texted me. I did not have a conversation with him. I'm not going to sit there and, like, beg you to stay. If a man walks out of your life, you don't let him. Don't let the door hit him on the way out, basically, because they're not gonna. You know, they just feel more trapped in that moment. We don't talk at all. I see him at a random mixer that we have. This was when. Probably October, I think it was. All the cast decided to get together. This is the first time I see him.

[Nick Lachey]

And this is more like, this is not like, a show.

[Amber]

Yeah, the friends Are the friends were like all there. We invited, like that's just me and

[Brittany]

the girls because we haven't met yet.

[Amber]

Okay, so probably like 18 people there at this pretty busy bar. So there was a lot of other people. So first time seeing him, he comes up, gives me a giant hug and he's like, hey, how's it going? Like, kind of acts like I'm like an old friend, which was a little bit hurt.

[Nick Lachey]

He's like, hey, literally?

[Amber]

Yeah, literally.

[Nick Lachey]

That's how crazy.

[Amber]

But I was like, okay. Like I'm gonna.

[Nick Lachey]

But at this point you're still married. Yeah, okay.

[Amber]

I'm like gonna hold my composure, you know, and I don't sit there and try to. He's like, how are things going? Blah, blah. And although I'd been like severely depressed over the couple past couple months, I didn't say anything about that. My brother knew I was on the struggle bus, so I was randomly planning a trip to Europe and he's like, I'll come meet you out there. Like, we'll do that. So I was telling Jordan that, yeah, my brother and I are going to Europe. Like, this is going to be fun. That's like literally the only conversation I had. But he gave it such a good vibe that I was like, okay. Even though, you know, later on we kind of talked about the divorce and it was never sticky. He's like, I'm going to send over this paperwork, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, good deal. Like, there was never any fighting after that. So it was very confusing to me. When we got to the reunion and you know, we're waiting to go on stage and I see him and he's just like totally ignoring me. I'm like, okay, this is kind of off. And then we sit down and they let him speak first and he's like, well, it was like this toxic thing. She just let her past ex boyfriends like it. And I was like, that's actually not even what happened, like at all. So then they gave me a chance to speak and I say like, Jordan, I don't think you were ready. Like, you know, you know, kept staying in Columbus. Like you wanted me to basically work my full time job, take care of my house, take care of my daughter by myself, and then on Saturdays come meet you in Columbus, all dolled up and, you know, ready to go. And I'm not like a weekend wife. And then he then in that moment, because Jordan is like a little bit insecure about himself and I could feel him start to spiral on that chair because he's, like, kind of starting to look bad. And that's when he was, like. Just started, like, going at me and, like, brought up this drunken wedding situation, which was, again, super fucked up, because you don't do that again to a single parent. Like, there's so many people online that are like, she's a drunk mom. Like, that's dangerous territory.

[Interviewer/Host]

I was about to say, I can imagine, like, whether y' all were together. Well, I guess y' all weren't together while this has been airing. But I imagine he has seen whatever criticism you have gotten, and I'm sure he's seen that and been like, wow, that. But I'm sure that is hurtful to her. So then for him to go on national television and, like, push that narrative even more, I feel like, was just an extra stab in the back.

[Amber]

It really was.

[Nick Lachey]

You're also just. I want to just recap, Just make sure people understand, and then make sure I understand. But when he came to you to say he wanted to end this relationship, he basically. He basically showed up at your place. You weren't expecting that. He's like, yo, this isn't going to work out. You were obviously upset for a brief moment. You tried to ask some questions and try to get him to reconsider. You realize that wasn't gonna happen. You let him go. And you never heard from him?

[Amber]

No, Not a word.

[Nick Lachey]

He didn't check in?

[Amber]

Nope.

[Nick Lachey]

How you doing? Should we talk?

[Amber]

Nope. He didn't even say bye to Emma. And Emma was extremely hurt about it at first, too. She's doing well now. Like, her and I have had so many conversations. She has so much love from her father and I. And let me be clear on this, too. I wasn't looking for anybody to really be this. I guess you could. Stepdad. But, like, she has a dad. She has a great dad that she loves. Like, I didn't need somebody to fill that void. So, that being said, yeah, it was. It was really, really hard during that moment. The last time he saw her was at her birthday party, and she kind of kept bringing that up. She asked me if we could make a memory box to send to him so that he'd remember us. Like, it was. Those were, like, some of the hardest moments of my life, I think, because I'm sitting there comforting this little girl, hugging her, giving her all the love. I'm heartbroken. Like, I'm trying not to cry. I had to wait until she fell asleep to cry, you know, because you're trying to be this strong person for her and trying to like, talk this understanding of what happened to her as well. So, yeah, I don't know, it was just not a good time.

[Interviewer/Host]

I think that's such a relatable feeling though, as moms of, like, I have to be so strong in this moment to like, make sure my baby's okay. And then the second that, like, baby's asleep or gone or doing something, you, like, can finally process and feel your emotions. And so I think that's. That's a very relatable feeling that you've been through.

[Amber]

Absolutely.

[Nick Lachey]

And then he came. And then he kind of came at you at the reunion. Yeah, you're right, though. I mean, like, we've all had moments. We've all gotten a little sauced.

[Amber]

I also think he's embarrassed because he got in a relationship, I guess like a month or two after. So he's been in like a long term relationship.

[Nick Lachey]

He has, yeah.

[Amber]

And I did not know that until the reunion.

[Nick Lachey]

Wow.

[Amber]

And I didn't even bring it up. I didn't air any of his dirty laundry. I kind of waited for him to bring it up. He didn't.

[Nick Lachey]

How did you find out he was dating someone?

[Amber]

So girls at the reading actually told my friend Jamie that they're like, oh, didn't you know he has a girlfriend? You know, blah, blah. And Jamie was like, what? And it's been like, I don't know how. I didn't get details. I don't know her name. They say, yeah, it has been like, you know, kind of a long term thing, whatever. I guess he's telling people he's happy. So I'm guessing at this point we'd been separated for six months, so probably one, two, three months. You know what I mean?

[Nick Lachey]

What was the longest he stayed with you? Like at any point at your house?

[Amber]

Yeah, like maybe a day or two. And that was kind of on him. So I was expecting it to.

[Nick Lachey]

So he never, like, said, all right,

[Interviewer/Host]

I'm going to work from home this week.

[Nick Lachey]

I'm going to be here for a week. We're going to, we're going to play

[Interviewer/Host]

it for a week.

[Nick Lachey]

Not even play how you're married, but like, we're going to be a family. We're going to be together. I want to, like, give this life a chance.

[Amber]

Yeah. No, no. Which was again, hurtful because I was kind of expecting at some point, once we move forward, maybe a month or two into it, to have what I pictured was like, you know, we both love to cook, like coming home from work Making dinner together, talking about our day. Like, that's really what I wanted. And during this whole time period, I'm still feeling like I'm a single mom that's just doesn't have anybody. I'm going to bed alone at night. And that was pretty hurtful. And so the. He tried to get on me about, like, oh, you're insecure because of, like, shitty exes, blah, blah. I. No, I started to get insecure because I didn't know why my husband didn't want to be around me more. You know, he works from home and he tries to say, like, well, I would. I would go there and have to go home, blah, blah. But his family has a lake house and he would take a laptop up there and work from there, you know, so he was able to work from home anywhere. And he did that. But he never did that at my house.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah. Spend the night.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

You know, he could go to your house and then go to a Starbucks for. During work.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

You know, coffee shop.

[Amber]

That's wild. Yeah. And it was. It got to the point where he would even go out with the guys, like, on. Throughout the week, which, again, I'm fine with. I get that you were doing that before, but, you know, I'm sitting here kind of feeling insecure. I didn't go out without him, which, again, people can do what they want, but it's. It's like, it. That was more of the priority than anything. Like, he was hanging out with Chris after the show multiple times and finally got a weird vibe because I guess Chris kept recording all their conversations.

[Interviewer/Host]

What?

[Amber]

Yeah, he's a douche.

[Nick Lachey]

What.

[Amber]

What do you mean?

[Nick Lachey]

Chris was recording his conversations?

[Amber]

It was very hard to follow. When Jordan told me, he's like, yeah, apparently Chris is like, recording everything that we do. Stephen picked up. He was hanging out with Steven, too. And I'm like, oh, what a great group. Wow, that's crazy.

[Nick Lachey]

Brittany, I want to switch to you for a second. Your relationship with devonte was obviously one that we followed with great enthusiasm. Enthusiasm. And, you know, we've. I guess, like, I just.

[Amber]

How do.

[Nick Lachey]

How do you like reflecting back, watching it back? Because I think a lot of people obviously are both, like, huge fans of you. Obviously, like just how you shut up, you know? But also, I think people have been critical of. Of. I guess it's almost as if your desire to try to make your. In devonte's relationship work and maybe not necessarily seeing what devonte was. Was or wasn't bringing into the table.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

How do you look back on. On what we got to see throughout your season of love is blind.

[Brittany]

So looking back, it was really hard to watch because I feel like when we were in it, he was very much so. He was going through a lot. So his grandpa died when we were in the pods. We came back, he has a new

[Amber]

fiance, plus probably a girlfriend.

[Brittany]

He had a new job offer in the works and trying to hide a

[Amber]

lot of shit in his life. Sorry.

[Brittany]

Yeah, yeah, now, now, now we know. But. So came back, his grandpa had died, he has a new fiance, he had a new job proposal that was gonna potentially move him west coast and managing coming back to his normal job. So he was dealing with a lot. And so I was just trying to be very patient with everything that he was going through. Give him grace. He just continually kept telling me, like, just keep being patient, like, don't give up, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, like, okay, so I have two choices. Either I'm going to trust the person I fell in love with and be patient, or I'm going to run. My MO is normally to run. And I'm like, okay, so we have to make different choices if we want different results. I have learned that I should have gone with my gut exact. Everything I was feeling in Cabo was exactly what it ended up being. I was just choosing to trust him. So watching it back, I'm kind of like, I was feeling all of the things and I was addressing everything. It's not like I was completely like, no, this man is amazing. He's perfect. Like, I did address plenty of things in what I felt like I was lacking in the relationship or what I felt like he was lacking, giving me in the relationship. But watching back, it's definitely. It was hard because it's like, I could feel it. But I also was trying to trust him and do something different.

[Amber]

Well, also too, like, like, he kind of love bombed you, you know, he love bombed you in the pods. You guys were best friends and that. I've been in that situation before. That's a tough situation when they, like, are amazing to you and treat you great. And then. And he's the type of person that would do this. He's a love bombing. And then they pull back all of a sudden. It almost gives you that feeling of, like, insecurity where you're like, oh, my God, I need to kind of hang on. And it's such a manipulative technique, and it's something that a lot of liars do, a lot of cheaters. He's obviously A cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. You know, it's very. I've seen that happen so many times, and I've been in Britney's shoes before, and I know exactly how that feels. And everybody's looking at you, they're like, you're an idiot. Why are you doing this? But it's really hard in that moment when they keep dangling a carrot of, like, what it was like in the beginning.

[Brittany]

Like, yeah, he's very, very manipulative. He's really good with his words. I think the thing is, is, like, the person he described himself to be in the pods. It's easy to be something behind a wall. It's hard to actually carry out that character. And he had moments where the person I fell in love with would show up for me. Mostly off camera, stuff you guys didn't get to see. Like, this man did actually like me or else I wouldn't have been there, even though it looks like he didn't like me. But, yeah, it was. It was really hard because it's exactly like Amber said. He would, like, dangle these little carrots where it's like, no, don't give up on me. Like, just keep being patient with me. And I'm like, okay, it's not always going to be like this. Like, he literally said that in Cabo. It's not always going to be like this. So I'm trying to be patient and see if the person that I fell in love with was gonna show up. But hearing the way that he spoke about me in my home on that last day, my jaw was literally on the floor because devonte never spoke to me like that. He never said anything remotely close to that. Like, the most spicy conversation that we had was in Cabo on that couch. He's. He, like. So to hear him think those things about me and feel that way was just completely blindsiding because he was not like that at all.

[Nick Lachey]

What were the comments that bothered you the most?

[Brittany]

He said he thought it was weird that I already had a wedding dress, that I would just marry anybody, which is not the case at all. I'm five foot, I have a very curvy body, and the whole point of the show is to get married. So of course I'm going to get a dress that fits me so I don't look like a potato on my wedding day. Like, I feel like that's not that hard to, like, process. And the goal is to get married. Um, and then he called me a shadow, to which I just. I literally couldn't even Believe that because I gave this man so much space that I said multiple times, like, I feel like my love language is not being fulfilled. He told me his love language was also physical touch. So then I'm like, he did? Where you're not touching? Yes.

[Nick Lachey]

I thought his love language was leave me alone.

[Brittany]

It's definitely that now that I've learned. But he told me his love language was physical touch. I'm like, perfect. So is mine. This is great. This will be easy. Like, and his love languages.

[Amber]

I need attention from multiple women, as many as possible.

[Brittany]

But I. And I asked him off camera, I'm like, I don't understand, like, why you would tell me that your love language is physical touch. But then you don't want to touch me. Like, you barely touch me. And he said that when I'm stressed and I'm overwhelmed, I just don't want to be touched. And I'm like, okay, um, so I guess I just need to be patient. Um, but yeah, calling me a shadow when I gave you all of the space in the world and allowed you to, like, not touch me was insane because I'm like, I'm the furthest thing from a shadow. Don't get me wrong. When I'm with my man, I am super clingy. But I wasn't like that with him because he didn't want that.

[Nick Lachey]

Which is also. It's okay to be like, you know, into your person, right? Yeah.

[Amber]

Yeah, that's the thing.

[Brittany]

I love you. I literally want to be in your skin. Like, why do you feel the same way?

[Nick Lachey]

My wife literally tells me, I want to be in your skin all the time. I don't want to. And like, I'm definitely not a physical. I mean, I like physical touch. Don't get me wrong.

[Amber]

Wrong.

[Nick Lachey]

Not like my wife does, but, like, to your point, like, it is our jobs as partners to show up for our partner, understand what they like and how they feel in, you know, who'll

[Interviewer/Host]

be like, okay, let's set a 10 minute timer and you can be in

[Amber]

my skin for 10 minutes.

[Brittany]

And then I'm gonna need.

[Nick Lachey]

And we joke about it, but yeah, you have. You have to find ways to show up. It's not just telling your partner what you don't like and what they can't do and how they can't receive.

[Amber]

He didn't want to show up. Like, that's the thing. He did not want to show up for Britney and that. It breaks my heart to see that. And I, again, been in her shoes before. I dated A man who I found out was cheating on me with multiple women. And it was the exact same vibe. I'd go to his house, and I'm like, why are we not touching? Like, why aren't you all over me right now? I haven't seen you in, like, a week or, you know, so. And they do the exact same thing. They make excuses. They say, oh, my family. Like, I'm pretty sure my ex had, like, nine grandparents die at one point.

[Interviewer/Host]

Another grandparent. Yeah.

[Amber]

Oh, so, like, so sad. I'm just in this headspace. I'm just in this headspace.

[Brittany]

Yeah. Side note, I. I did look up the obituary.

[Amber]

You're fucking texting other bitches.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Was watching those moments back where you kind of were like, do you think I'm pretty?

[Amber]

Do you want.

[Interviewer/Host]

And he's like, yeah, cool.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Brittany]

Well, no, he didn't say. Yeah, he did. Like, well, and those on the couch when he, like, telling me all the things because I'm asking him, like, like, I'm giving and you're not giving back. That's why when I responded, I was kind of like, thanks. Because it was, like, it wasn't genuine. In that moment, it was nice to hear, like, the little things that he had noticed that he just wasn't willing to say for God knows what reason.

[Nick Lachey]

It was almost like he had a buddy who was like, hey, you should ask your girlfriend if it's because he,

[Amber]

like, he knew that you were too good for him. If you see his other girlfriend, you know, the one that works at, like, Applebee's or you're a successful woman, you are beautiful.

[Nick Lachey]

Like an ex who works at Applebee's.

[Amber]

Yeah, there was the one he dated, actually, right after the show, after he broke up with Britney. And, like, these women that he.

[Brittany]

Honestly, I'm glad she's airing him out,

[Amber]

because all respect to her, he tried

[Brittany]

to use the excuse that, like, he didn't like the fact that I was black, and that's why he stopped wanting to be with me. But you're treating your white girlfriend exactly the same. Like, it's not an us issue to you issue at this point.

[Nick Lachey]

Like, were you thrown off by that? Because Devonte, he is a man of color.

[Brittany]

Correct.

[Nick Lachey]

Were you?

[Brittany]

Yeah, I was. When? When I literally. I was watching with Jess and Emma, and when after we had our reveal and I heard him say that, I literally looked at him and I was like, oh, my God. I said I freaking knew it because I had asked him off camera. You know, have you ever dated a woman of Color. And he said, I've dated someone. Like, she was Hispanic. And I said, okay, have you ever dated a black woman? And he was just like, really quiet. But he wasn't like, oh, no, this is like the first time. It's. But it's not a big deal or anything like that. He was just quiet. And I'm like, okay, that was interesting. But that also, like, tells me that, you know, he mostly dates white women, which is fine because the whole.

[Interviewer/Host]

The whole.

[Brittany]

The whole. The whole point of this show is to not care what color, what size, anything. Like, the whole point is you fall in love with who I am as a person.

[Interviewer/Host]

It makes so much sense that him

[Amber]

and Alex are roommates, you know, they both suck.

[Brittany]

Yeah. Because you guys were. You guys were really ready for marriage now that you're roommates.

[Nick Lachey]

So it's. I guess from your point of view, what did you make of the fact that. But Devonte said he had literally never dated someone who was a woman of color. What? From your standpoint, how did you take it?

[Brittany]

I thought it was different, you know, I mean, we all have our preference of who we find attractive, who catches our eyes and whatnot. But it almost kind of felt like you purposefully just didn't want. Like, it didn't matter if you thought they were pretty or not. You just purposely were like, yeah, no, their color of their skin is not right for me, so I'm not even going to get to know them type of thing. And I mean, in all honesty, if we were out in the real world, he would never speak to me because he would see the color of my skin and he'd be like, yeah, no, not interested.

[Amber]

You would never speak to him. Like, literally. I mean, you should have been like, I've never dated somebody so unattractive before. So color wise or not. Sorry.

[Brittany]

I'm sorry.

[Amber]

I hate that, man.

[Nick Lachey]

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[Amber]

or were we all.

[Brittany]

So I don't.

[Amber]

Shocked.

[Brittany]

I don't call him that. I've never called him that.

[Amber]

I mean, I didn't with devonte, so I don't know.

[Brittany]

Well, when we first started, like, learning each other, he told me his name was devonte. And then eventually he started telling me about Devo because he's got it tattooed on his arm. And then like, that's kind of like his whole MO of who he is. But I never. He never really pushed, like, the whole Devo thing with me, it was always devonte.

[Nick Lachey]

So is this like a. Is this like an alter ego?

[Amber]

Like, he has several?

[Brittany]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think he does have a couple, but I think it probably is.

[Nick Lachey]

Okay.

[Brittany]

For sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

So this work trip that he took, that wasn't a work trip, was a concert trip with your friends?

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah. Can you. Can you tell us about this concert that involved what, Ashley and Bri and Priyanka, Right?

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah.

[Brittany]

Okay. So basically, like, we were still together for three weeks after filming, and by the end of, like, week two, I'm like, something just feels very off. He had had zero plans to see me, and I'm like, okay, so it just feels like you finished filming and you dipped out. Like, now everything's kind of coming to light. And I call, I texted him, I said, I feel like you're not in this anymore. If that's. That's the case, can you just let me know so we know how to move forward? He calls me. He's like, no, I want to be in this relationship. Blah, blah, blah. Um, then he says, I have to go on a work trip in a few days. I'm going to be gone for a week. And then, you know.

[Amber]

But of course he called you. He didn't text you that. Cause there's no evidence.

[Brittany]

Right.

[Amber]

Like, I know how these men work.

[Brittany]

Right? We'll make plans after. So he tells me that, you know, he wants to still continue this relationship. Three days later, he's going to Michigan for a work trip. Well then Wednesday, all of a sudden, he's like, I'm just at a breaking point. I don't know what to do. And then, like, doesn't talk to me for five days. Um, and I'm like, okay, three days ago, you just said, like, I want to be in this relationship. Come to find out, he goes to Texas, not Michigan. He's going on this trip for a concert. And it. I've spoken to Ashley. Ashley and I are perfectly fine. I think Ashley is great. She's the only one that had a full conversation with me, telling me all of this stuff. So, like, I have no issue with Ashley at all. But basically she said, you know, nothing happened. It was very awkward. It was very weird. But then the following week, and they were like, he literally was like, with us and then just disappeared. So I found Amber. Told me a few months later.

[Amber]

Yeah, like, I didn't know.

[Brittany]

Yeah, he came back the next week and then told me, basically, you know, I can't even show up myself, let alone show up for you, but, like, I don't know what the future holds for us and blah, blah, blah.

[Nick Lachey]

Wait, he said he couldn't. He said that?

[Brittany]

Yeah, like, a week after he took

[Nick Lachey]

for you, but just, I can't show up for myself. Or such a. Calm down.

[Interviewer/Host]

Left out that he was just in Texas with. With three of your friends.

[Brittany]

Correct.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay.

[Brittany]

Correct.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Brittany]

So I was like, okay, pretty sure he just ended our engagement, but didn't actually, like, say the words. So I texted him a few days later. I'm like, just to clarify, like, that was you ending our relationship, right? Because he's saying stuff like, you know, I'm not disappearing. We don't know what the future holds, blah, blah, blah. All these things. And I'm like, that was a very, like, I'm breaking up with you, but I'm not going to say the words type of thing. So I texted him and asked, like, I want to clarify what was that conversation? And he said, yes, that was me ending our engagement. I'm so sorry. Blah, blah, blah, blah. All the things, you know, he said the same text that he sent to Taylor, that nice little chat GPT. I got that one too. So he must just have it, like, in his notes app ready to send out to. To the girlies.

[Interviewer/Host]

Copied and pasted.

[Brittany]

Copied and pasted.

[Amber]

Also, I want to Defend you too. Because from the outside looking in, people are probably like, well, how did you not know? How would she leave when people are manipulating you like that? Again, been in that situation, you are, like, holding on to your seat. Obviously, he was trying to make her feel insecure about her looks and her beauty to try to, like, chip away at, you know, try to get her hooked to him. It's, again, a very manipulative tactic. And you really do. Even though people are like, why couldn't you walk away in this moment? You're, like, almost trauma bonded with this person at that point.

[Nick Lachey]

I mean, I listen, I think, well, you guys have probably already realized this, or you'll come to realize that fans of reality tv, we. We watch reality TV because it's this Amir about our own dating lives. And it's just a lot easier to watch you and watch you, Brittany, and. And yell at the TV and go, why aren't you smart enough to not see this right now? In life, we don't have the ability to watch ourselves back.

[Brittany]

Right.

[Nick Lachey]

You know, and things like that. But for anyone who's ever, you know, been in a relationship where you really like someone, you know, if it's really hard to see because we're focused, you know, many of us are just like, what do I have to do? I got to do my part. And when you're thinking about your part, you're thinking about, how do I show up for my partner? And so when you meet someone like. Like you women both did, and you're both trying to focus on what you can do and how you show up, and you're. You're focused about doing 100% of your half. You're assuming that your partner is going to do 100 of theirs. And the difficult part in these relationships is when they don't. We. You know, there is that weird period where we realize that we were doing some of theirs, but it's hard to see in real time because we're just.

[Amber]

And you want it.

[Nick Lachey]

You're fighting for the relationship.

[Amber]

Exactly. You have this, you know, picture in your head of how you think it's gonna go. And people like that, they will. Jordan did that to me too. Like, kind of dangle it. Like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm just not good at relationships. I haven't been in a relationship in nine years. You know, excuse, excuse. And then you're like, okay, I'm gonna be more understanding. I'm gonna be more the same thing. Like, with what, Britney? We'll be patient. You know, we'll be these good women that are trying to make this work and try to not be, like, this toxic person. Sometimes it can come out with me a little bit harder than most people, but.

[Interviewer/Host]

So he never, like, told you why he lied about this work trip? Like, did he ever come clean about. Because it didn't even seem like he did that through union.

[Brittany]

No, no, he really did. He really didn't. At the reunion, he was just basically like. Like, I just wanted to go to a concert. And, like, I lied to them. I. Like, I lied to all the girls. But, like, no, I have my theories on why I think he actually went out there.

[Nick Lachey]

What are your theories?

[Brittany]

I think that he had interest in who was more his type. That's what I'll say on that. And wanted to maybe see if there could potentially be something there from your cast. Correct. Somebody he had dated in the pods for a while. Gotcha. So I think that that was the motivating factor of why he chose to go out there.

[Nick Lachey]

Who did he date in the pods?

[Interviewer/Host]

Was it Ashley? Okay.

[Brittany]

Maybe.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Host]

And you and Ashley have had several conversations. Like you said, y' all are good. There's no hurt for you.

[Brittany]

Ashley and I are perfectly fine. I think Ashley's beautiful. I think she's stunning. She's amazing. I literally told her in the pods, I said, if nobody marries you, I will marry you. Like, I think Ashley's like, I fault him not one bit for thinking, like, maybe. Maybe there could be something with this person that's more my type because she is phenomenal. But I mean, just end one engagement before you try to do something next, you know?

[Interviewer/Host]

Right. Priyanka said several times that you guys were not close.

[Amber]

Is that.

[Interviewer/Host]

Was there a falling out that happened? Did you girls just, like, not click in the pods?

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Amber]

You just.

[Brittany]

We just never really clicked in the pods. I've got no beef with her or anything. I think there's just some people that you click more naturally with. And for her and I, we just didn't. We just didn't connect like that.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Host]

I do find it interesting.

[Amber]

I'll.

[Interviewer/Host]

Obviously both of you saw the conversation that Chris had with Ashley, Bri, and Priyanka about Jess, her body, that relationship, that was wild.

[Amber]

Wild.

[Interviewer/Host]

I do find it interesting that it is those same three ladies who went to this concert with your fiance and didn't think to, like, text you and be like, please come with devonte.

[Brittany]

Yeah. Or even if. Even if he's telling you like, that we're not together. I was told that they felt like he was lying the whole time. Like, he's saying, don't post any pictures of me while I'm here. Like, like, blah, blah, blah. All this. So it's like he's giving all of these signs that he's clearly not telling the truth. But nobody decided to say anything to me until after the. The fact that I learned about it.

[Nick Lachey]

So they. They went to a concert and didn't post anything.

[Brittany]

They posted things with the girls, but nothing with him. With him.

[Interviewer/Host]

And he just like, loves Rufus De Soul so much. He like, needed to.

[Brittany]

That was news to me.

[Interviewer/Host]

Be on their flight with them and needed to like, go with them to this. He couldn't like go get a hotel and go by himself or get his own friends to go.

[Nick Lachey]

Sounds off.

[Brittany]

Or. Why. Yeah, why were none of the other guys invited once? It wasn't a girls trip anymore.

[Nick Lachey]

That to your knowledge, how many women has he dated since you guys broke up?

[Brittany]

What I am aware of are just the. I think three. I think there's three that I know of. I think somebody also said that he was dating somebody else while he was on the show with me, which would kind of make sense because he disappeared three times while we were filming. So. Well, I'm. I'm sure there probably was somebody else.

[Interviewer/Host]

How shocked were you to hear that he is expecting a child and is engaged?

[Brittany]

So the child thing, that was. That was more shocking for the fact that you have had at least three major relationships in less than a year. The engagement, I'm still suspicious on if that is actually factual or if that was just an in the moment. I'm gonna blurt this out to make

[Interviewer/Host]

it seem like this sounds better type of thing.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

He's like, I'll probably ask by the time this airs.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

He's like, you know what? Thanks for the idea.

[Brittany]

Right.

[Nick Lachey]

I'm curious about, you know, you. You women seem lovely to get to know. And also, you know, I really love how, you know, obviously you have dynamic personalities. But like, and I say this as a compliment, you both seem like normal people who have reasonable expectations when it comes to dating relationship. And quite honestly, it seems like a lot of the women, while maybe imperfect, have reasonable expectations when it comes to dating and relationships. And this season, when it comes to the men on the season, it's like,

[Brittany]

nick, do you see what we're working on?

[Nick Lachey]

But I'm curious. Is like, is that. Is this like only crazy men show up and love is blind in Ohio, or is this what it's like out there in the wild?

[Amber]

Like I'm used to dating douches like, like, who show up in like, Love Bomb and whatever. Like, I can tell that shit by now at this point. But that has happened so many times.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Although I think there was a lot of insecurities with the guys because. And that's part of what I've realized is, like, some men have this ego. All of us women were, you know, really attractive, had great jobs, were pretty stable. And you know, the ones that felt insecure about that, like Chris, that really shows up to where they can't. They're used to trying to control and manipulate people. You know, Chris knew he wasn't going to be able to manipulate this wonderful doctor into doing the same things that, you know, devonte was trying to do do with Brit. That's like all those men's gain is. Yeah. You know, it's their whole thing. They don't want to love, they want to control. So once they realize they can't do that, then they start to make an excuse of to why you're not adequate enough. And, you know, again, had that happen to me several times and you just kind of start to click in your

[Interviewer/Host]

head, what did you think of Chris's apology to Connor and Jess?

[Amber]

Bullshit. Like, sorry, dude, you are a snake week. Like, you literally were talking to Connor outside this bench as you're about to like, hit on his girl. You're in the bathroom, like, laughing it up with somebody. I think it was actually Jordan. Oops. You know about how, oh, I can get God. It's like, oh, yeah, you would have never apologized to these people had they not found out what you did. You just go and live about your life. There is a, like, women in Columbus, are we dating the same guy? Profile. I have seen him on there multiple times since, like, watch out for this man. He keeps saying he's on Love is Blind and blah, blah, blah, and he's turning date. Like, I have screenshots of like, the amount of women since then that he tried. So this was not like a learning experience for him until it got blasted on the Internet.

[Brittany]

I think that's the thing is why didn't he apologize until then? Like, that is odd. So much time to apologize and.

[Amber]

Because he didn't give a shit until, like, it's aired.

[Brittany]

But, like, that's the thing is, like, you can apologize to them outside of the show and then re apologize on camera. Like, just be an adult about it. You messed up, you said a lot of horrible things. And if you truly meant your apology, you would have Made sure you took care of it long before the reunion.

[Nick Lachey]

And, you know, it's pretty typical that guys like Chris, I mean, or Alex, specifically Chris, I think he already has blamed the edit.

[Amber]

So how do you blame an edit on that? Like, I'm sorry, there's a couple things. Like, for example, Jordan and I's fight, that edit was like completely skewed a little bit. It's actually not why I walked out of the bar that night. You know, I actually heard him say something off camera that was very, very, very off putting to me at that time. So he was actually talking to Vic and he said, I don't think they're gonna make us go through with it because she has a kid. And that was the first time I felt that vibe that he didn't want to do this and that that's why I was like, so shocked.

[Nick Lachey]

But also suggests that he's like, what do you mean make them do it? Like, it's your choice. First of all, do you want to get married or do you not want to get married? Like, yes, you are involved in this very weird social experiment, but ultimately everything you're talking about, Jordan, suggests that, like, he just. His expectations weren't to be a husband if he got married. Which sounds bizarre when you think about it, is as if, like, well, I'm. I'm gonna get. It's like he acted like he was gonna get married on tv.

[Amber]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

But not in real life.

[Brittany]

And then it would just be done after that.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, but yeah, he was filming a movie. Like he's an actor.

[Brittany]

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

Because, like, I don't know how you put your wife who's been drinking, whether she got drunk on her own, whether that's her fault or not, to just be alone in a car while you go back and party. I don't know.

[Interviewer/Host]

You don't even do that to a dog, right?

[Amber]

At least open a window.

[Brittany]

I'm like, did he cry?

[Amber]

Did he leave the car running?

[Brittany]

I mean, was it hot outside? Are you okay?

[Nick Lachey]

How do you not, like, you know, like, how do you not go out of your way to live with your wife if that's how you guys.

[Amber]

And also, it is bizarre to me because on the day of our fight, he tells the camera that I ghosted him for 24 hours. That's not true, actually. The text on my phone, he texted me at 8 o' clock in the morning that morning, said, hey, we should talk. And I text him back. I'm like, yeah, you know, let's think about things. I Actually called him on my lunch break at work that day of the call. Again, share screenshots with people. So when I saw that on camera, like, that he lied about that, that was very shocking to me and, like, kind of tried to victimize himself in that moment again. I don't think Jordan's a terrible person. I think Jordan is insecure, and I think that he was scared of, like, looking bad in general because he mentioned that him and I were on the same page. I was like, so after we had the fight, he was like, no, I love you. I am into this. I was just scared, you know, about the whole Emma situation. We talked it over, and I said, you know, I'm okay. If you don't want to go through with it. That's fine. It's a yes for me because I think you're such a good person. You know, we're on the same page of that, though. Totally expected him to say no. I was absolutely beyond myself thrilled when he did say yes. I think there was a group chat between the girls and I when after that fighting moment, I'm like, jordan doesn't actually want to do this. I'm heartbroken. You know, they all kind of, like, lifted me up and they're like, you know, it's probably because of the emissary situation, whatever. Like, after the wedding day, I was, like, literally so thrilled. I'm like, jordan said yes. Everybody's like, congratulations. Like, I couldn't believe it. I thought he did have this, like, come to Jesus moment where he just loved me that much. But in reality, like, kind of looking back, I. He had mentioned before, he's like, they make the guys look like if they say no, blah, blah, blah. And as far as, like, my daughter being there and him feeling bad about not saying no in front of my daughter, first of all, he knew my daughter was going to be there as a flower girl. Like, we talked about that. That. And he literally, obviously didn't really give a shit what Emma thought because he didn't even say bye to her in reality. So, like, on tv, that's fine. But no, it wasn't because Emma was there, and he couldn't say no because of, like, my daughter being there. I really think he didn't want to look like an asshole. And then kind of for a hot second thought, maybe I could do this. And then tried to think of every excuse on the planet to, like, back out of it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Are Jordan and Chris still friends? Do they. Do you know if they still. Still hang out or. After he caught him like recording. He was like, I don't this guy anymore.

[Amber]

Well, he still exists up on Instagram. And he dapped him up at the reunion was like, hey, buddy, you know, So I don't know if they're like as close as they were. Which again is another, like, looking back at it was another off putting thing. Because even when I'm like addressing the Chris situation, like, I will, you know, I have no problem calling people out to their face when I don't like them. I'm not gonna be fake around you. So when Jordan's like, no, no, no. What I kind of came to realize, especially like after the whole wedding situation, his whole vibe was like, you embarrassed me in front of my friends, blah, blah. And I'm like, you can't embarrass me in front of my friends. I'm so close with them that I don't like. It would be something we laugh about. Like, I don't look at their judgment like that. So what I kind of gathered from the Chris situation and from that situation, he's always gonna value the opinions of his male friends over, like whoever he's with. You know what I mean?

[Nick Lachey]

Well, there's a moment for the bachelor and bachelorette party for Love is Blind. It's always this kind of scene every season where it's like, they do it for you guys because it's part of the process, but it's clearly like empty and it looks really boring and like, not that fun. I don't know. But there was no offense to production. I'm not trying to talk shit. My only point of bringing it up was like, there. I'm sure you remember. But Jordan was like, I'm having the best time of my life.

[Amber]

And they're like, they're like with the

[Nick Lachey]

boys, they're at an arcade. It looks, there's like three, four dudes there. And he's just like, truly, I've never seen this man happier. I know this moment where he's like drinking beers, playing video games, hanging out with three other dudes like late at night.

[Amber]

That's what he wants his life to be. And that's fine. Just don't get married and don't tell us and don't enter a kid with like a wife, you know, and looking back at it too, I think that he probably thought that I was kind of like the la, the option, kind of the shoo in there. He did have another connection in the pods that dumped him. And I didn't know this at the time. And then it was like I was the only one that was talking to him, so I'm not sure if that played a part onto that. So then when we got back to Columbus, she was actually in his DMs being like, oh my God, I really want clarity. Like, I want to work it out, blah, blah. And. And I kind of felt him like, he showed me the messages and everything and he was kind of like shaken in his shoes. He still was like, asking her, like, how was work? Like it was kind of a weird thing. And then he kind of like shut it down. But I was, I kind of felt very off about it and insecure in that moment because it didn't seem. It seemed like he really was happy that she reached out and like, he showed you.

[Nick Lachey]

But then he continued the conversation.

[Amber]

Yeah, and then he shut it down towards the end, but it was kind of like, it was just a weird, weird thing. And then moments later, like, like we had a conversation off camera and I was like, here's all the dudes that are DMing me right now that I don't reply to. You know, just so you know, I'm like, you know, you get used as a woman, you get used to that attention. She's like, well, I'm not used to that attention. I've never gotten that before, blah, blah. So it was almost kind of like this heightened thing. And I think that that played a huge role in him leaving too. He's like, oh, my God, I'm gonna. All this attention from like all these women now that I'm like on this TV show and I look like such a big teddy bear, blah, blah. And just again, just the way he responded in that moment. So right after we separated, he's on Instagram, like liking this girl's bikini pics and everything. Like, that was so hurtful. Like, it was just, wow, I totally kind of like, like I said, I got that vibe. Like, I don't think Nick Lachey thought

[Nick Lachey]

Ohio was going to represent men in a positive way. And I'm just.

[Brittany]

We thought we were too, with all the engagements that we had. And then, man, it just went downhill.

[Nick Lachey]

It seems like a great group of women.

[Amber]

Women, truly. Yeah, we're awesome. Really. Usually is.

[Brittany]

But honestly, that's why I was like, so willing to do something like this because you see the dating pool that we're working with, so I'm like, okay, at least the people that are going on this should be more marriage minded. I stand a better chance of. They do have background, finding a genuine person and you know that just there's there are a few guys on the cast that are really, really great quality men. And I feel like you get to see that throughout the show who those people are. So it's not like they're all bad. We just happen. Like, I just got one that was definitely not. Not who he thinks he is.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, I mean, I'm curious, Amber, you know, hearing you mention the things that Jordan said, you know, whether it was being aware or having the idea that the men look bad if they break up at the altar, do you think, as silly as it sounds, because you guys literally got marri, and that's not that easy to get out of, but do you think that he, looking back now, move forward with the. The. I do. Because he thought he could control his edit or the breakup in a way that, you know, he wouldn't be seen on camera?

[Amber]

Yeah, absolutely. Like, in this moment, you know, he obviously didn't love me. Because you don't leave somebody three months after a marriage that you love. You try to work it out. Like, you do do the things even if you have those, you know, iconic fights. Like, and again, they weren't even that, like, iconic. And you just do whatever you can. You don't just back off. And you also want to be around that person so much more than he wanted to be around me. So, you know, again, I think it was more of, like, an egotistical thing because you wouldn't a. You wouldn't leave your wife then you wouldn't. Wouldn't be able emotionally to get in another relationship that quick. I know people talk about rebounds, everything like that. Like, no, I don't think this was a necessarily a rebound. He talks about how happy he is, you know, emotionally. For me, I couldn't even look at a man for, like, four months. Prior to that, I haven't been dating. You know, it's not in my wheelhouse. I had to heal from this completely. Like, when you truly love somebody, you can't just jump into it with somebody else and be happy, be within that, like, short of a time frame.

[Nick Lachey]

I mean, all I need to know is he left you in a car by yourself. I can't get past that.

[Amber]

I know. And in my mind. So then the next day, and this is what pisses me off, he tries to manipulate it because I. He's like, you should have apologized. Blah, blah. And I was like, I'm very hurt that you, like, left me in a car and did these things. And he. That's when he started to spin it around. Like, no, you tried to do this and that. And you, like, tried to scream at me in front of my friends, which, again, I just. I don't know how much of that is accurate. The man was also very tipsy. And, you know, it's just a very odd thing, but he immediately spun it around. He never apologized for leaving me in a car. It was all like. It was all me apologizing. And I'm like, okay. I had, like, called one of my best friends directly after. And I'm like, anybody else, I would have left this dude right now. But she's like, no, you're married now. These are things like, like, you work on, you kind of look past. So that's what I did with a lot of these moments. And again, looking back, it was likely stupid because he was giving me all the signs. But, you know, you truly think, like, that wedding day, it was literally. I didn't even believe he said yes. That's why my face was kind of like, wait, what did you actually say? And then when he did, I was. It was like the best feeling in my entire life. Like, it was a fairy tale moment. No. And that's what I kept looking back at.

[Brittany]

I mean, she texted us, all of us girls and was like, he said yes. And we were all screaming because we were expecting a no. So we were so excited and happy.

[Amber]

You know, I thought he had this come to Jesus moment. And, you know, in my head, that is all I could think about the next few months. Like, this. No, this person clearly loved me enough to get married. They clearly did this. But then again, when looking back and he's like, just deflecting the whole reunion, trying to shift the blame, shift the blame on different moments, it's like, no, you're. You can't even admit what's going on.

[Nick Lachey]

So what is divorce look like in. In the love is blind world? How are you guys moving forward with the separation?

[Amber]

So really actually kind of funny. I was kind of waiting on him to do everything because in that moment, I was like, he can deal with it. He's the one that wants to get a divorce. I don't have time to even look for a lawyer or anything. I didn't really hear from him until around that. No, I actually didn't hear from him. Marie from production called me and she's like, hey, Amber, just trying to check in. Jordan's been in contact with us about the divorce process and is wondering and this is what could happen, like, kind of being a mediator. And I was like, he can. Like, they give you Money for it. Obviously, they reimburse you. I was like, he can literally look for it, do everything. I'll just sign the paperwork whenever he gets it ready. So he did send me over all this paperwork that I haven't signed yet because it's. It looks a little fishy. Like, they wanted my bank account information and, like, all this on, like, an annulment. And I was like, wait a second. I just want other people to, like, really look into this. This. And so you've been really, really pushy for me to just get it done and sign it, which is totally fine. But it also makes you list, like, all of your assets, like, your. I have a retirement. Like, all this shit that I haven't had time to, like, completely look up and put down on paper. I just want to make sure it's accurate as well. And I don't think he understands because he doesn't have any of that shit. Like, it's really easy when you don't. When you just have a little bit of credit card debt to put that on there.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did you sign a prenup?

[Amber]

No.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is that a fear of yours that he could.

[Amber]

It is. He's assured me that that's not it.

[Brittany]

Okay.

[Amber]

He just keeps saying, like, no, I'm not gonna take it. Like, no, no, no, no. So I am just carefully looking over this paperwork just to make sure he's like, I just don't want to be, like, legally married to you forever. Blah, blah. It's like, basically what he's telling me. Like, oh, my God. I would never want my. My name associated with you, Amber. Okay. What? I don't know. I don't know what the vibe is

[Interviewer/Host]

there, but, Brittany, besides the one moment we saw on camera of Alex hitting on you, did he ever shoot his shot at you again?

[Brittany]

No, Alex has never. That's. And that's what was so weird about that moment, because Alex and I didn't even date for the full 10 minutes, day one. So I was like, this is kind of coming out of left field. Yeah. And I get what you're saying, what you're trying to tell me, but you're also telling me, you know, you find me attractive without saying the words. But, yeah, that was. That was the only time that he ever mentioned anything like that.

[Nick Lachey]

We didn't really get to see the relationship, like, end. Was there anything we missed as a viewer when you and Devonte broke up on the show that we didn't get to see?

[Brittany]

Well, that's the thing is, like, to me, it wasn't a breakup. But so basically how it happened is. Is Devante had done, like, his. Two days before the wedding, we talked and said that we weren't getting married. He told me he wasn't ready. I said I was more ready than he was. But I was also relieved because I'm like, I feel like if we get married, it's going to be a leap of faith, and then we have a lot of work that we have to do in order to get to, like, a good marriage. So I was actually fine not getting married that day. And. And I told him, if our answer is not yes, I'm not having a wedding because I just don't feel like somebody should see me as a bride if I'm not actually their bride. So that's why we just had the conversation at home. But he had done his exit interview first, and then we did our part, and then I did my exit interview, and then talked on the phone for an hour after that on his way home to Cleveland. So, like, to me, I was like, we're. We're still together. It wasn't a breakup because he was telling me the goal is marriage. So from my perspective. Perspective, like, yeah, I'm calling my fiance right after because I literally said, you know, what. What do you want to do? And. Because at that point, we had been talking with Bri and Connor to kind of figure out, you know, what. And they said, you know, they were just going to continue dating. So I said, you know, do you want to be done? Do you want to continue dating? What is the plan here? And he said, the goal is marriage. So from my perspective, if that's where

[Amber]

I was coming from, dangling that carrot.

[Nick Lachey]

He really was leading you on. What are you gonna do with that dress?

[Brittany]

My wedding dress?

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah.

[Brittany]

Oh, that's still my wedding dress.

[Amber]

It will be perfect.

[Nick Lachey]

Like a glove, love, perfectly preserved for both you ladies. I mean, again, it seems like looking at the men, I've said, watching the show, I'm passing on by the show, but love is not blind for me. I know that. You know, so I ain't. I ain't. You know, I ain't showing up for that thing. Cause I know me. You look at. At Chris and you look at Alex, you know, or Devonte as we got to know them throughout the season. Or even Jordan a little bit. I think Jordan's. I give Jordan a little bit more grace because it seems like some of his biggest mistakes might just be naiveness or immaturity.

[Amber]

Yeah. Or, like, I don't think he's A bad guy.

[Nick Lachey]

He's got a. Yeah, he's got a big heart, but maybe just a lot of growing up to do.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Amber]

At the age of 35.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Come on, buddy.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, that's his journey, but nevertheless, not my problem.

[Amber]

It's hers.

[Nick Lachey]

But, like, you know, when Alex was talking about as soon as he realized that Ashley was blonde, it's just like, well, then why are you showing up for Love is right.

[Amber]

Like, that was so wild. She's beautiful.

[Nick Lachey]

Or. Or Chris. And it's just like, fine. You guys have these very specific things, and I guess let's give you that pass. But if your taste is so specific, don't.

[Brittany]

Come on, love. This is the show.

[Nick Lachey]

Why are you going on this show? You know, it makes.

[Amber]

I also think it was just an out for them. She do.

[Nick Lachey]

Sure.

[Amber]

Like, it was just like, oh, okay. I'm not physically attracted to this beautiful woman. Like, it doesn't matter if also people can dye their hair. Like, Ashley's been a brunette before. It's like, that could have easily been worked out. She's a gorgeous woman. That's just a out.

[Nick Lachey]

That's good.

[Amber]

Like, and Chris's was completely and out. Jess has a beautiful body. Again, she's a doctor. It's like, Chris, I don't think you're d. How many ballerinas do you date? Like, I'm sorry. I would stomp.

[Brittany]

And Chris was, like, absolutely insanely crazy about Jess in Cabo.

[Interviewer/Host]

So wild.

[Brittany]

Couldn't keep his hands off of her.

[Nick Lachey]

So it was just a 180.

[Brittany]

Stunning. She is. Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

And just, like, from what you've gotten to know about him, like, if you had to guess, what do you think his overall motives were on this whole show?

[Brittany]

I mean, I think that he actually really was looking for a partner because he was crazy. Unless he's just a phenomenal actor. He was insanely crazy about Jess. And then I think when he came home and life actually started happening and he sees that she is, like, eons ahead of him in life, it made him feel very small, and he just tried to find a way to be like, yeah, well, this is a problem with you. When there's literally nothing wrong with Jess at all. She's perfect.

[Amber]

And he disappeared for, like, 48 hours. He was obviously out drinking in Grandview. Everybody, like, can confirm that. And it's like, he got back. I think he's more of a party boy than he. He played out to be. It's like a Monday night, dude. I don't think. I think he lost his Job, though, as soon as he got back, because he actually didn't have two weeks off. He did a vacation boss, too. Yeah. Yeah. And so I guess you do have a Monday night off. I couldn't, like, just go out and party all night on Monday, but I

[Interviewer/Host]

think he got back into that.

[Amber]

He clearly loves to, like, you know, just be that guy, that sleazy guy. And some guys think they want out of that life. They're like, oh, yeah, I wanted you, but. But they're so addicted to that lifestyle, right? They're so addicted to dating. Like, multiple. Getting multiple, like, all that attention, especially if they have small egos, like, they can't. They always need their ego pumped up. They always need to be out, like, with the boys, like, drinking, doing all this stuff. So it's very hard for men like that, I've realized, to, like, settle back down in. And I always. I. Which is funny because I said after I broke up with my ex of three years, I was like, I'm never dating a bar rat again. And what, I married a barat. So, you know. But again, it's these guys that are. And they always say, like, I just haven't found the right one. I just haven't found the right one. Blah, blah. I haven't h. Found somebody to settle me down. It's like, no, you haven't done work on yourself to, like, stop doing the toxic things that you do. You have to be in that mindset. It's not that you haven't found the right person. You haven't worked on yourself. And I know that from experience, too, because I used to be like that. I actually used to be a bar rat. Prior to having a kid, like, I loved going out. I would talk to multiple men. Like, I was great. Gross. Not gross, but, like, you know, in your early 20s, you're just doing the whole thing and then having fun. I had. It wasn't like, necessarily Emma that obviously settled me down, but prior, I had this, like, realization moment. Like, no, this isn't good. This is like, actually working on different dopamine levels. When you go out all the time, have all that fun, your dopamine sinks. You know, you're in this almost, like, depressive state. So you go out and you do it again. You know, you get around the people that are making you laugh. You do it, do everything. And it's just not like, a stable lifestyle to live in. Don't get me wrong. I'll go out every once in a while and do that. But if you're consistently Doing that, that's not giving you stability. So what I found after I worked on myself for a while, I didn't date anybody for two years after having Emma. And I just focused on like getting a routine and settling and running, working out every day, like just really being in that. And then, you know, having my glass of wine every now and again at night, different things like that. But not going like balls to the walls. And it was hard. It was boring. Boring at first. Like, you know, I do my do it yourself projects. Like life got very boring. But I could never ever go back to like the toxic lifestyle I lived before. Just with those ups and downs and ups and downs. That's such an emotional roller coaster. And some people can unfortunately not get out of that pit, especially if they are doing it, you know. Ages 35, 36. Like my ex was 40 when he was still doing it. And those are the type of men you always see those like nasty like 70 year olds sitting at the end of the bar that are like still drinking on a Monday. And you're like, you know, like they're kind of like, or those like people, if you walk into the casino, they'll like. And then they're like sitting there like starry, like glued to the casino. It's like some men don't change. That's just how they're gonna live.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Amber]

And you can't work on that. You cannot blame yourself as a woman that you weren't good enough to make them change. That's a bullshit narrative. Like no, they just, just no one's really going to be good enough. They are going to either have to have that realization moment on their own to like be a better person and a stand up individual and then they will, you know, be better for a person or they're going to find somebody who will tolerate their. Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

Your age was a topic of discussion.

[Amber]

I know the,

[Nick Lachey]

you handled it with such grace. I, I, you know, getting to know you, you're, you're a ball of fun. And I really love how you stand up for yourself and you do it with such a great spirit. But I, I'm curious when that all went down.

[Amber]

Yeah, I was like, y' all are dicks. I will say so. Prior to coming on the show, it was about two months prior, my grandma died. Not to be a devonte, I didn't use that to like, you know, treat people like shit. But my grandmother died, which was really hard, and my uncle died the same month. And I was very close to both of them. So I actually had A really, really huge rise in, like, cortisol levels. I wasn't sleeping good at night. Like, I was crying a lot. Like, my skin was not taken care of at that time. And you can really see it in the show. I generally, like. And I don't look the best now because again, I've had six months of, like, more just not great sleep. You're beautiful. But that, that really did show, I think also due to those, like, high cortisol levels, I actually was overproducing androgens, which was causing these, like, sebaceous, like, sweat glands, like, in my face. I actually had to get an androgen block after the show. I didn't realize this was happening. And so it was like kind of like these tiny cysts that were actually. The girls know all about it. Poor Brittany had to see me at my worst. You know, it was just a really terrible time period. I was on seven antibiotics after the show for this. Ended up losing like 15 pounds because I was throwing up a lot with these antibiotics. So it was actually an underlying medical condition that's super complicated that I don't need to get into. But.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, but also everyone can off.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Like, everyone can. And that's what I'm like, I'm not going to type this up on, like, every comment. Like, fudgeing, eat shit.

[Interviewer/Host]

No.

[Amber]

And all the women. It's so funny to me too, realizing all these women, they're like, no way. She's. I'm 43 and I look better than her. I'm like, do you want me to mail you a fudgeing cookie? I don't care about you, Susan from Arkansas.

[Interviewer/Host]

But also, like, your profile picture is Chris's profile picture. Like, it's not you, you know?

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Like, these women who are coming for

[Amber]

you, it's like you really have private profiles of like. Imagine having a private profile and just talking shit with your fingers.

[Interviewer/Host]

What did.

[Brittany]

No, it's crazy, right? With their zero followers and zero. Like.

[Nick Lachey]

Well, there's this new show on Netflix called Age of Attraction, where age is. You don't know people's ages. Would you ever go on that?

[Brittany]

Are you recruiting Amber?

[Amber]

No more reality shows.

[Nick Lachey]

No more reality shows.

[Interviewer/Host]

What did you think of Chris's profile picture on Instagram? Did you. Were y' all as just as shocked?

[Brittany]

I said, who the heck is that? I literally took a screenshot and I sent it to Jess and I said, who is this?

[Interviewer/Host]

I know, because everyone's like, how tall is he?

[Nick Lachey]

His height was discussed. Is he like short?

[Amber]

Very short. Short Like, I don't know exactly, but I, like, towered over him. I know I'm pretty tall, but I thought they were a cute couple because they were both kind of short and whatever. But it's like you're looking at two tiny people. He actually, to me now, looks like just a little lawn gnome.

[Brittany]

I'll say this. Jess is five foot. We're both five foot. And Chris is not that much taller than us.

[Amber]

Oh, and I could use him as a step stool, so. And I almost did. When I said I was gonna kick him in the teeth, I actually was like, I can get my foot up to his teeth.

[Nick Lachey]

Any final thoughts? Thoughts from you ladies before we let you go?

[Amber]

I think just, you know, giving us. Giving every one of the women grace on the show, because when you're in that moment, you're hyped up to believe that this is your person, and women do this all the time. We get. We're like, oh, this man finally wants to settle down. This is like the dream, right? That's what we're supposed to do. You get talked about if you're not married by the and have kids by the time you're 40. You get talk about if you're a single mom and you don't introduce the kids kit to your significant other three years. But then you do get. You know, people are like, oh, you're like. So many people are like, you're a terrible mother. And I'm like, I'm a great mom, actually. My daughter and I have such an amazing connection, and we are so close emotionally. And I have never even had to yell at her because she just. We have that fluency. I guess she just is very respectful of me. I'm respectful of her. You know, we take each other into consideration and everything, and so stuff like that. It's like, it's so easy for people to judge and overlook that. But give the women some grace. I don't hear. And I guess I hear a lot of shit about Chris and Alex, but, I don't know, it's just kind of funny to me. And it's funny to me. Everybody's talking shit about I, how I look. And no offense to Jordan, but, like, no one. They're like, oh, he's a big teddy bear. He looks older than me.

[Nick Lachey]

I needed to ask you about the silhouette. The show's been around. We have 10 seasons, and you're the first person in Love is Blind history to kind of understand the aesthetic assignment. What made you pose the way you did before the reveal?

[Amber]

So I'm not gonna lie. I actually didn't watch the show prior to coming on. I just kind of did. Like, I don't watch reality tv. So when I got up there, production was like, oh, go have fun, blah, blah. So I didn't. I actually looked back at production, like, as a joke of, like, what I was doing, which didn't really, you know, come off that way for sure. But.

[Nick Lachey]

So you were kind. You were around. Around.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Nick Lachey]

Okay. It was iconic.

[Amber]

Everybody knows I just. Always around. Yeah, it was iconic.

[Nick Lachey]

Brittany, any final thoughts from you?

[Brittany]

Yeah, I think kind of just to reflect on what you said is, you know, it's really easy to watch somebody on TV and not put yourself in their shoes. Like, if you had a camera following you, you would cringe at some of the things you did too. And I think people just need to remember that, you know, we're all human. You get to see the good and the bad, and. And we just need to give some grace to people.

[Nick Lachey]

But that being said, do you think overall, devonte is. You know, I think we've said this a few times. We don't think Jordan's a bad guy. If you had. Do you think devonte is more bad guy or. Or not there yet guy?

[Brittany]

He's very far from being there guy. He could be a good guy if he really tried to be the person he describes himself to be.

[Nick Lachey]

I mean, the. The ability for him to lie the way he did with such ease into the people who he lied to has to be a reflection of just how much he is dishonest. Because, like, that is such a sloppy lie. To me, that's a very telling lie.

[Brittany]

Yeah. And I really hope for his future child and his baby mom that. That he chooses to be better because it's not fair to them for him to continue behaving the way that he's

[Amber]

behaving, and that's another hard habit. Sorry, I know we're wrapping up. That's another hard habit for people to get out of. Like, people that are chronic liars, they. It's a whole psychological aspect. If they keep doing it, it literally gets wired in their brain where they can tell you that wall is orange, and they start to believe that wall is orange. You know what I mean? And that is another bad. It's a. It's almost like smoking. It's a bad habit. It's an addiction that people get.

[Nick Lachey]

Yeah. Well, you ladies were wonderful on this season, and we really appreciate getting to know you both on the season and today. And we're very sorry that these journeys didn't work out for you both, but you both seem like a breath of fresh air. You both seem like wonderful people and we're wishing you both nothing but the best when it comes to your pursuit of love and happiness out in the real world. And we certainly hope that you both get what you deserve, which are wonderful, meaningful relationships with hopefully some decent mental men. And I like to think that they're out there, maybe just not in Ohio, right? Thank you guys for listening. We'll see you back on Monday. Bye bye.

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