E1118 - Summer House Leaked Audio Analysis, Alicia From RHORI & Hulu Get Real Drama

Summary

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The Viall Files – Episode E1118: Summer House Leaked Audio Analysis, Alicia from RHORI & Hulu Get Real Drama

Date: April 28, 2026
Host: Nick Viall
Panel: Natalie Joy, Susie, Justin, Mary

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Episode Overview

This Reality Recap episode dives into reality television's hottest topics of the week:

• Dissecting the Summer House reunion leaked audio drama and its fallout
• Behind-the-scenes insights from Hulu’s “Get Real” event and “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives OC”
• An in-depth, lively interview with Alicia, standout star of "Real Housewives of Rhode Island" (RHORI)
• Fresh takes on the latest high-profile cheating scandals in sports (Klay Thompson & Megan Thee Stallion, Patriots coach)
• Recaps of “Real Housewives of Beverly Hills” reunion and pop culture relationship updates

The hosts maintain their signature candid, witty energy, discussing reality TV with both tongue-in-cheek humor and sharp insight.

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1. Anniversary Banter & Stagecoach FOMO (01:03 – 10:29)

• Nick and Natalie celebrate their two-year anniversary, sharing sentimental stories about meaningful gifts and small mix-ups (“I panicked” with the ring engraving – Nick, 04:57).
• Brief talk about attending Stagecoach Festival – tales of evacuation, “Privilege!” and the logistical nightmare of festival Ubers surging to $5,000+, but Susie insists she still had an incredible time, especially with surprise guest Theo Vaughn singing with Ella Langley.
  • Memorable quote:
    “Have you ever, like, been scared and then also been like, wait, but I'm, like, surviving? Like, yeah, it was, like, kind of fun.” – Susie (08:42)
• Light jabs about festival privilege and comparison with their own weekend (“$11,000 to get an Uber” – Natalie, 09:18).

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2. Hulu Get Real Event Recap & Mormon Wives OC Casting Tea (10:35 – 29:33; 31:26 – 44:00)

• Panelists discuss their experiences at the Hulu Get Real event: clunky production moments, nervous Real Housewives cast members, and bloggy/fake crowd energy.
• Nick shares inside gossip about the fate of Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette season:
  • “I heard things like, and I quote, It's 100% getting aired. … I haven't heard from anyone who thinks that we're not going to see it.” – Nick (34:53)
  • Taylor’s social media hiatus is mentioned; consensus is she’ll have a “noticeable comeback.”
• Secret Lives of Mormon Wives OC revealed, including:
  • Standout cast: Bobby Althoff, Aspen Ovard, Avery Woods, Salome Andrea (“…there is a clear group of sinners and saints in this group…” – Nick, 45:59).
• Drama with the old cast, including Jesse’s ex Jordan attempting to “scripted-edit” blame after his divorce (“Chase, Miranda’s ex, said: there could be 10 different iterations of the edit and you would still be unlikable in every single one…” – Nick, 46:33).
• Hot gossip on cast relationships, breakups, and the aftershocks on social media.

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3. Summer House Reunion Leaked Audio Deep Dive (10:48 – 30:00)

Key Timeline Discussion

• [11:24 – 22:25] Immediate reaction to the audio leak:
  • The panel stresses it was most likely a low-level production leak, not a cast member ("It would just make no sense… it was almost certainly someone they hired just for this job… like, catering lunch" – Nick, 13:58).
  • Legal and ethical considerations: discussion of TMZ purchase, NBCUniversal forcing take-down.
• [15:26 – 22:25] Content of the leaked clip:
  • Mia confronts Amanda harshly about her choices. Amanda’s “You can’t help who you like or are attracted to” defense draws criticism.
  • Panel dissects what constitutes loyalty and attraction, with much focus on Amanda’s defensive, non-remorseful tone.
  • The “video” of Amanda and Wes is referenced as an alleged catalyst for rushed statements.
• [22:25 – 27:56] Timeline speculation uproar:
  • Past relationships, possible overlap, and their implications:
    • “...they’ll just say that they were friends and they will claim that no physical boundaries were ever crossed. But clearly there was an intimacy between Amanda and West…” – Nick (25:07)
    • Mia from Southern Hospitality gives her BravoCon timeline, implying things began earlier than Amanda/Wes admit.
• [28:15 – 29:33] Cast dynamics:
  • Peripheral cast members riding the scandal “for the clout”; discussions about performance and authenticity in reality TV.
  • “Everyone wants to feel in these types of situations... like they’re the victim.” – Natalie Joy (28:26)

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4. Quick Hits: Pop Culture Relationship Scandals (54:56 – 58:43)

• Megan Thee Stallion & Klay Thompson:
  • Public breakup played out via Instagram stories calling out “cheating,” mood swings, and emotional neglect.
  • “If there is one thing I could say to Klay Thompson. How dare you, Megan the Stallion. You’re gonna fumble.” – Host 2 (56:00)
• NFL Coach Mike Vrabel & Dianna Russini:
  • Allegations of years-long affair, speculation over paternity, and social media fallout (“...she named her youngest son Mike Michael” – Nick, 57:55).
  • Commentary on double standards: the coach is fine, journalist resigns, public fixates on her instead.
  • “Wives, talk to your husbands…” – Nick, 58:35

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5. Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion: Jealousy, Performances & Realness (58:48 – 67:54)

• Analyze why Amanda is being singled out (“...they just seem kind of jealous to me…” – Nick, 63:48).
• The hosts debate whether Amanda's confidence and grounded “therapy talk” rubs the other Housewives the wrong way or is just unwelcome in the franchise (“I think she is sincere in her own way. And I don’t think that necessarily lands…” – Host 2, 66:24).
• Notable moment:
  • “They want to see the reaction. … have their redemptive arc so that we can, as fans, forgive them. And Amanda’s like, fuck that. That’s not who I am.” – Nick (67:35)
• Panel wonders if Amanda will return for another season (general consensus: she may opt out by her own choice).

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6. Featured Interview: Alicia from Real Housewives of Rhode Island (72:48 – 94:58)

[72:48 – 94:58] in episode

Getting to Know Alicia

• Shares how she became a Housewife; was sought for being entertaining, open, and herself.
• On the famous Rhode Island accent: “I never thought I had an accent until I heard myself on TV. And I actually had really bad anxiety about it.” (77:54) – Alicia
• Explains the Rhode Island classic, "pizza chips," and beloved regional slang ("skeevy").
• Discusses her decade-long engagement impacted by prenup negotiations and partner Billy’s lawyerly mindset:
  • “At this point, if you want me to do that, I'm just gonna just not marry you.” – Alicia (81:03)

On Relationships and Money

• Candidly shares about the trappings of being a stay-at-home mom vs. working hairstylist life, and feeling the loss of independence.
• “I will never be a stay at home mom. … I don't like going to the ATM and stuff like that.” – Alicia (85:24)
• Her humble, practical attitude shines: “It’s all on just like faith right now. Faith and love…”

Housewife Drama, Loyalty & Cast Dynamics

• On quick forgiveness with Rosie, despite being thrown under the bus: “I forgave her so quickly because I don’t know if Rosie understands how deep we go back.” – Alicia (88:15)
• Clears up rumors about other cast relationships and provides context behind show tension.
• One-word cast descriptions: highlights like “Bright” (Rosie), “Detective, funny” (JoEllen), “Boss” (Liz), “Gorgeous” (Kelsey).
• Explains the local dynamic with “buddy” and “skeevy,” and shares her love for Rhode Island’s close-knit, familial culture.

What to Expect From the Season

• “There’s gonna be a lot of drama, a lot of making up. A lot of people speaking from their hearts. … We all grew up on the show.” – Alicia (94:29)

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7. Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You can’t help who you like… Or are attracted to? And it was like, well, you can.” – Amanda, repeated and critiqued by Natalie Joy (15:51)
• “It just gives snake in the grass…” – Nick, on Amanda’s apparent duplicity with Ciara (19:33)
• “Psychological warfare.” – Susie and panel, on post-breakup relationship strategy (51:11)
• “I think everyone wants to feel like they’re the victim in the story.” – Natalie Joy (28:26)
• “Do you want to be right or do you want to have friends?” – Susie (65:00)
• “Reality TV is all about putting people in situations.” – Nick, on authenticity/manufactured drama (37:13)

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8. Key Timestamps

• [03:15] – Anniversary gift stories (vintage sports T-shirts, wedding band engraving)
• [09:18] – Stagecoach evacuation & logistical chaos
• [13:58] – Nick’s breakdown of the Summer House audio leak’s likely origin
• [22:25] – Amanda’s defensive reunion audio and panel reactions
• [34:53] – Hulu’s “Get Real” event tea regarding Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette season
• [45:59] – New “Mormon Wives OC” cast breakdown (“sinners and saints”)
• [54:56] – Megan Thee Stallion’s viral breakup
• [72:48] – Start of Alicia (RHORI) interview

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9. Tone

• Candid, informal, self-aware and quick-witted
• Mix of sharp pop culture critique and affectionate, sometimes gossipy humor
• Panelists blend empathy with ribbing, especially when discussing flawed reality stars' real-life decisions

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10. Takeaways & Closing Thoughts

Listeners get an entertaining, in-depth dissection of reality TV’s biggest current scandals, with a focus on both the drama’s emotional stakes and the way social media and production mechanics fuel them. The Alicia interview provides local color and authenticity, making “Real Housewives of Rhode Island” feel like a must-watch new addition to the Bravo lineup.

The episode wraps with reminders to check out “Temptation Island” reunions and gratitude to Alicia for her candor and humor.

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Best for:
Fans wanting a detailed, opinionated catch-up on current reality TV drama, anyone following Bravo shows, and listeners who love insider tea, cast interviews, and pop culture scandal debriefs.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Alicia]

You're CR.

[Nick]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by my wife of two years as of today, Natalie Joy. It's our wonderful anniversary. We also have Mary and Susie in the household. Justin, are you in the room as well?

[Justin]

Sweet boy Justin the Voice is floating around.

[Nick]

Yes, Voice is floating around around. Well, we have a lot to get into, but before we do, just a reminder that Temptation island reunion is out. Part one and part two are available for you all to enjoy. Listen, watch. There's an extended version on YouTube if you are listening to the episode so be sure to check that out. Also be sure to check out Vile Files. Plus for all your bonus content, we have our Reality Recap Deep Dives where we dive deep into things like the Summer House scandal. All the behind the scenes we saw at the Get Real Hulu event, as well as more deep dives in all your favorite shows plus your pop extra roundup where we talk about we dive deep into things like the Megan the Stallion cheating scandal that'll be going on this week, I'm sure. Plus your update specials where we get all your favorite updates from your favorite Ass Nick calls. All the episodes are ad free so just go to vile files.com to sign up. You will be glad that you did. All right.

[Susie]

Did you guys celebrate this weekend?

[Justin]

Congrats.

[Nick]

Yeah, we did. It was a lovely, relaxing weekend.

[Natalie Joy]

It was.

[Susie]

Wow.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Alicia]

We did not.

[Natalie Joy]

We did not. We for weeks we were like, what should we do? Should we take a trip? Should we go somewhere? My mom was like, I, you know, my brother's having a baby same time that I'm having the twins. So she was like, I'm throwing a baby shower for them. And I told them I could not do it the week of Yalls anniversary, because I'm sure y' all are gonna need me, because I'm sure y' all are gonna want to do something. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, Mom. That's so nice. So we just kept talking in circles and didn't ever book anything. And then finally, we were like, you know what? Let's just, like, go to dinner, and it'll. We'll. It'll be fine. We've done a lot. I can barely, like, walk to the car.

[Nick]

I feel like you're underselling our glorious anniversary weekend.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, will you please take the floor?

[Nick]

No. It was wonderful. I had quality time moments with my wife, and she got me a great T shirt.

[Natalie Joy]

Anniversary presents traditionally follow themes that strengthen over time, starting with the first year being paper, second year being cotton, so on and so forth. And it gets, like, better and better and better. But there's, like, different tiers. So you can do, like, the traditional, and you can do modern. You can do, you know, whatever. Anyways, I followed the traditional one this year and got Nick some cotton and found him some really cool vintage brewers and packer T shirts and stuff.

[Guest 2]

Cool.

[Natalie Joy]

And Nick, with the help of a

[Guest 2]

few people,

[Natalie Joy]

got my wedding band that we got married with. That was my grandmother's that she handed down to me after she passed. I had misplaced it last year when we had our first wedding anniversary and I got us matching bands. I had taken it off and misplaced it, and I had not been able to find it, and he had it remade. And so that's. Yeah, that's what he got me, was the remake.

[Nick]

It has an engraving in it, too.

[Natalie Joy]

He did engrave. He did engrave it. I was a little. The engraving is very much like Nick coated, you know, like, for the first year, I. I. Yeah, I got us matching wedding bands. They have two little diamonds in them to signify, like, the two babies we lost in the first year of our marriage. On the inside, I had April 27, 2024 engraved on the inside. You know, chic, cute, whatever. So then Nick was like, oh, I.

[Nick]

I was asked, do you want anything engraved in it? And I panicked.

[Natalie Joy]

And he put four hours, 27, 24. And at dinner, he was like, Telling me how this was engraved. And I was like, yeah, you know,

[Justin]

at least he knows the date.

[Susie]

Yeah, that is true. I thought you were gonna say that it was the wrong date at first. And I was like, oh, no, so you're doing something right.

[Natalie Joy]

But it is very thoughtful. And he wrote me a card which, like, honestly, having a partner that, like, actually writes and not just says happy anniversary, love you, Nick. I mean, he wrote like a two page card. It was two. Two full pages.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

And, like, that is a gift in itself, you know?

[Host 2]

And paper is one of the things that gets stronger over time.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes, of course.

[Nick]

Does it really? And then I got her silk pants, which is not cotton, but bougie. Bougie.

[Natalie Joy]

Thought that counts.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

That's so nice.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. So that's.

[Host 2]

Glad you guys had a nice anniversary.

[Justin]

Was river part of any of the anniversary celebrations?

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, she was with us all weekend. Of course, she did not go to dinner with us on Saturday night, but we did talk about her the whole time. She did say happy anniversary this morning.

[Nick]

Cute.

[Natalie Joy]

It was really cute. And I was showing her all of our pictures and she was more excited about the horsies and she was. Anything else.

[Susie]

But I was.

[Nick]

It's been a great two years.

[Natalie Joy]

It's been a great two years. Yeah. So while we were celebrating two years, Susie was getting evacuated at Stagecoach.

[Nick]

And when I honestly heard that, because we had the slightest bit of fomo, not going to Stagecoach, but then we heard they got evacuated. Evacuated. And, yeah, I hate to acknowledge that I.

[Susie]

There was some joy better about it.

[Nick]

In your pain.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yes. If I'm being honest and vulnerable, it's okay.

[Susie]

I get that. I understand where you're coming from. Because even with getting evacuated, it was lit. You guys don't feel too good. It was a time. Yeah. Like, I still had a really good weekend. I'm, like, barely here right now. You know what I mean?

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Susie]

It was so fun. I've never seen so many hot dudes in my life. Not even last year at Stagecoach.

[Natalie Joy]

I was there.

[Susie]

Maybe my eyes weren't open. This year the hot dudes were out and I was looking for shelter. So I was like, someone help me. Oh, my gosh.

[Natalie Joy]

Anybody.

[Susie]

I'm just.

[Nick]

Any good makeouts?

[Susie]

No, nothing. None of that. None of that good stuff. I mean, I met a lot of people, got a lot of contacts, hoping there's, you know, a little, you know, hoping this week we'll have a little friction moving forward. We're hoping. Yeah.

[Host 2]

A couple people circling back.

[Susie]

A couple people. I Will certainly be circling back, so I'm hoping some will circle back for me, you know.

[Natalie Joy]

Who is your favorite performance?

[Susie]

Ella Langley, for sure. I mean, she was like. I think she's just, like, the belle of the ball right now. And I feel like she's really getting me through, you know, the past, like, six months. I feel like she's just kind of been my girl for music, and it's like, it's evolving. Theo Vaughn came out. I'm like, Theo.

[Justin]

Took me a second. I was like, who?

[Susie]

Yeah, Theo Vaughn. He is so funny. He came out and sang with her.

[Natalie Joy]

He sang, like, Riley Greene's part, and you look like you're.

[Susie]

Turns out. Yes. It was so good. Yeah, he sang it. It was good. And he was. He's just so funny and charming. Like, he just really. He just really, like, made my. My Friday night and the evacuation. I know.

[Justin]

How was that?

[Susie]

Sounds miserable.

[Justin]

It looked crazy on camera.

[Susie]

All the videos I saw, it was crazy. And, like, I do feel, like, have the stagecoach cough because of it now, but I do love, like, I love the drama. You know what I mean?

[Host 2]

Yeah. You got to be like, so did

[Natalie Joy]

you fully have to leave the festival and then come back?

[Susie]

I never. I didn't come back that night. Like, I left and was like, that's it for me tonight.

[Justin]

No, you don't go back.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Because it was like, later.

[Susie]

It was like, yeah, I missed it, which was sad, but. But I really did kind of enjoy. I mean, maybe I'm just, like, messed up and sick in the head, but I was, like, scared at one point. And have you ever, like, been scared and then also been like, wait, but I'm, like, surviving. Like, yeah, it was, like, kind of fun.

[Justin]

I don't know, because you look hot. So you're like, if this is the way I go out.

[Susie]

No, literally, yeah. If this is how they find me,

[Host 2]

like, I look so good. The biopic of your life. Your character would probably be wearing, like, a hot outfit the entire time. You know what I mean?

[Nick]

I love how in 2026, we refer to tough times as being evacuated at a festival.

[Susie]

At a festival.

[Justin]

Yeah, I agree.

[Natalie Joy]

People were saying that it was, like, privilege. $11,000 to get an Uber, like, out.

[Justin]

Like, like 5,000.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, the I believe prices.

[Susie]

I mean, I will say I'm so grateful that I. We had transportation arranged and our guy was so on it. He was so sweet and, like, came and found us, and so I am really grateful for that. And he just, like, booked it out of there. Like, we got out so fast. But some people. We knew a guy, he literally had to walk three miles because he was like, I'm not gonna, like, speak. Spend $5,000 on an Uber. But it did. The wind did calm down, like, shortly after, so I think it was okay. But honestly.

[Natalie Joy]

So that's like crazy. Like, evacuate everyone out and then like, 45 minutes, an hour later, being like, come on back.

[Susie]

Everybody's gone.

[Natalie Joy]

After we all just spent thousands of dollars to get out of this place. Like, honestly, I bet Lainey Wilson's, like, crowd was a lot smaller than what it should have been because everyone was like, I'm not coming back.

[Susie]

100 go to bed. Yeah, I was in bed.

[Host 2]

And then.

[Susie]

This is so unlike me, but I was literally in bed after the festival each night and, like, in my pajamas and then fully went back out until, like, 4:00am each morning. Like, so I was like, who is she? Like, this is not me.

[Guest 2]

She's.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

In her Stagecoach.

[Guest 2]

That was.

[Susie]

Yeah, I was like, I'm really just going to.

[Host 2]

You're going to go out?

[Susie]

I'm going to do it.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Justin]

The fact that you did Stagecoach right after Hulu Get Real.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Your body just go, go, go, go, go, go.

[Susie]

And we're finally ready to. To relax. But, oh, my God, Hulu Get Real was so fun, you guys.

[Justin]

It was so fun.

[Nick]

While Stagecoach was popping, the reunion of Summer House was also filming going into the weekend. And there was lots of drama that unfolded with a leaked audio that we have to definitely talk about. But before we do, just a reminder. Later this episode, we have Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhod hit show on Bravo that everyone is talking about. We have Alicia, and it's really great to get to know her, get a little background on one of the new stars of Real Housewives of Rhode Island. So that is later this episode. All right, we have the leak audio we have to get into. So the Summer House reunion filmed what, Thursday, Friday of last week?

[Host 2]

So the Summer House reunion filmed on Thursday. And then. Don't know if y' all heard, there was a bit of a leaked audio clip. I heard from how quickly the reunion did it.

[Nick]

It was like. I think. I think it was by that the next morning it was out or then

[Justin]

so quick, I woke up to the audio.

[Host 2]

I woke up. Yeah. So I don't know exactly what time Eastern, Western, am, PM it happened, but when it hit the Internet, it hit the Internet. And would we like to discuss some of the things that were said?

[Justin]

Yeah, I will say I didn't Listen to it out of principle. I was like, this feels wrong. And now's the time. I knew. I knew that you were gonna listen. Y' all were going to listen. So I was like, y' all got it.

[Natalie Joy]

I am shocked that, like, it wasn't a closed set. It wasn't a, like, no, like, everyone put your phones in those little locked bags things, you know, that they make these days. I'm shocked that that's not what happened.

[Nick]

Yeah, usually those things types that happen, like, you know, Kyle went on and did a video because obviously he was dressing most like a lot. You know, when this stuff comes out, there's always a lot of, like, speculation with all the kind of the hyperbolic takes that are going around, the whole, like, scandal. And the first thing is always is, you know, accuse the cast first. It was like accusing Amanda and Wes. They must be behind it because somehow, some way, you know, they were trying to get ahead of whatever the criticism they were going to receive. Then, you know, then there's. Then there was speculation that was kj, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's never the cast in these situations. It makes no sense. And then, like, as Kyle pointed out, you know, the cast will have their phones with them, you see, on all these reunions in between, like, you know, scenes. They'll bring out their phone, they'll check their phone in between breaks and things like that. To Kyle's point, these phones need to be, like, off camera. They can't be visible while they're filming. So they're like. They're literally in the creases of the couch and then the pockets of these people. It would be so obvious because these people are on camera. If there was some kind of recording device, you would have been able to see it. And to Kyle's point, the fact that you couldn't see that, there's no way you'd get a clear audio from a phone that's literally jammed in between a cushion and things like that. But more importantly, it just makes no sense that someone from the cast would do this. They have too much to lose, right? Like, they are all signing these crazy contracts. There's just no upside for doing something like this. It would just make no sense. I mean, they've already, like, they said they've caught the person. They said it was a member of production. I thought that from the beginning. And it's. And I imagine the person from production wasn't some, like, high level person. It was almost certainly someone they hired just for this job. Like, in production nowadays, like, you're bringing. You're like your main team. You always need a lot of extra set of hands. You're bringing on, like, out of pa. Lower level people. It was literally probably someone like, catering lunch. You know, they brought in, like, a caterer who probably had like five people working from them and found themselves on the set of the Summer House scandal and panicked and said, holy shit. Started recording it and got a little greedy and carried away. There's just no way it was someone who was, like, at a high level.

[Natalie Joy]

I wonder how they caught them, though.

[Nick]

That's a good question. You know, they mentioned they were new, like, forensic analysis. I don't know how they do. Like, it's my understanding that because they sold it to tmz, TMZ put it up. So it's. It. It basically that's saying that this TMZ obtained it legally, saying that they purchased it from the person who recorded. And as we've learned from Emily Baker, the person who recorded owns the ip. Now, you can get in debate whether that was filmed or recorded legally, but Bravo quickly got that, I believe, removed from TMZ. Like, it's no longer accessible on TMZ.com, which tells me that the great people at NBCUniversal got their lawyers involved. I don't know if there was precedent or I don't know if it was basically NBCUniversal being like, yo, if you want to do any type of business with us whatsoever going forward, you want to have any type of relationship with our entire portfolio of shows on Peacock and Universal, you'll take this down. It might have just been as easy as that. That'd be maybe a question for Emily in terms of the legality of it.

[Host 2]

Well, luckily, someone did transcribe the entire thing.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Host 2]

And we don't need to read all of it, obviously, but I. The part that really gets me is Mia. Mia was popping the fuck off on Amanda, and she said, you went from being married. And I'm not saying your relationship was perfect, Margos. It's definitely not. But you went from being married to one of west side bitches. That's crazy.

[Natalie Joy]

The part that got me was Amanda saying, you can't help who you like. Or are you attracted to? And it was like, well, you can. You can be like, wes, you're hot, and I like you, but I'm not gonna do anything.

[Susie]

Gonna go there? Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, if that's. That just goes to show that the whole. We were always like, this better be worth it. They better be in love. Like, ready to get married and have kids. Like Sierra said on the red carpet with Sydney Sweeney, like, what's the next move? Marriage? And it's 100 in the way that Amanda did not say, you can't help who you love. That we would have been like, you know what? That's true. You can't help who you love, but you can help who you like and who you're attracted to. So that one was rough. I mean, also, her saying what you expected me to be, like, celibate after 10 years, it's like, oh, so it was either celibacy or your best friend's ex boyfriend. Those were your only two options.

[Nick]

That one definitely doesn't land.

[Host 2]

And it's also. Well, none of it lands because also, the, like, context that Sierra was discussing, she quoted Sierra to her talking about, right? Like, you can't help with who you fall in love with. Sierra was talking about interracial relationships. Sierra was not talking about hooking up with your friends.

[Natalie Joy]

She did not say falling in love completely. She said, like, an attraction.

[Host 2]

She did not say falling. Yeah, and then it's, oh, my God, I like Amanda.

[Guest 2]

Also.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm doing shocked that she wasn't. I mean, like, remember this?

[Nick]

I mean, this is what, like, a few. How many seconds is this audio recording? So we clearly don't have the whole conversation.

[Host 2]

Oh, no.

[Natalie Joy]

But even, like, her demeanor and her tone seemed so just, like, defensive, which is a strange place to be at thus far. Like, like, it's not like they recorded the reunion the day that all of this got announced. Like, she's had time to process. She's had time to get her thoughts together. She's had time to have conversations with Sierra. If Sierra wanted to have conversations with her, she's had time to her and Wes to, like, get their story straight. Like, going back to the Scandival reunion, Raquel was so like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And Ariana still ate into her, as she should have. But the way that Amanda is like, I mean. And of course, I'm not shocked that west said one word in this. And it was the, like,

[Nick]

the statement was definitely rushed.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay?

[Host 2]

Like, no shit. It was a terrible statement.

[Natalie Joy]

And then Amanda is the one, like, talking the whole time. And it's just.

[Guest 2]

It was.

[Nick]

It is fucked up that they referenced this video. And I don't know what this video is or what's in it, but that is kind of fucked up that there seems to be an alleged video of west and Amanda in some kind of compromising Intimate situation.

[Susie]

Yeah. I think it was supposedly filmed through a window. That's so messed up that they were,

[Natalie Joy]

like, worried that got leaked, so they. Yeah, so they rushed the statement. But even still, like, that's what I'm saying. Just the way that Amanda's demeanor felt so defensive and like, there was. It didn't seem like there was any remorse or. There was. And again, we've only heard the, what, 15, 20 seconds that this clip was. And we have a whole reunion to watch. But, like, yeah, because, I mean, that.

[Nick]

That snip that we saw from the union is suggesting that, like, again, like, west and Amanda, I think deep, I guarantee the conversations they're having with each other are minimizing the relationship that Sierra and West had with each other. Right. Like, they have to be minimum, like,

[Natalie Joy]

to make themselves feel better. They have to be like, oh, that was nothing.

[Nick]

Yeah, where am. Like, Amanda, you know, but, like, nevertheless, you would at least think the grace from Amanda would come from her friendship with Ciara where, like, how do you go back and watch some of these scenes that we're watching this season over. Amanda came to support Ciara. She confronted west about West's treatment of Sierra. So that's the biggest thing. It's all right. You can't help you. Like, you know, Sierra and Wes, whatever, they dated three years ago, whatever. You can still say all that. But what doesn't land is if you really felt that way, if you really didn't think west and Sierra were anything legitimate and that west was fair game, then how do you explain how you tried to show up for Sierra in those moments? Because it does give. Snake in the grass, it does give. Like, going behind your back, it does give. I pretended to be your friend to your face while, you know, behind the shadows, I was doing the literal, exact opposite. Like, that's the part that really doesn't get addressed in this clip that got released. And the question is, will we see any part of that kind of humility And Gray, Not Grace, I guess humility from Amanda where she acknowledges, like, the contradiction in her behavior.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, we heard Sierra say, like, just say okay. You can't, like, just say okay.

[Nick]

Okay to what?

[Host 2]

You're a snake in the fucking grass. And you should honestly just say okay because you know, you are. You move silent, but you're fucking deadly.

[Susie]

I'll be curious when it comes out if she does have any kind of, like, sincere. Like, it didn't seem sincere. Like Natalie said, it just felt so defensive where I feel like when you're in that position. It's like, you really can't defend this. Like, you have to just be like, I am so, so sorry. Like, this is so effed up and, like, I hate that I did this. Like, you have to just own that what it is, is so horrible. Regardless of if you think it's horrible or not, if your friend feels like it's horrible, you have to just, like, acknowledge that, like, it freaking sucks. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Susie]

And it sounds like, yeah, she has

[Nick]

to be like, I handled this really, really poorly, and I regret that. And I definitely think how I handled it. You have every right to think of me however you do as a friend, but that's the part you. I think, if nothing else, what we hope to see is, like, at least from Amanda or West, like, for the few people out there that might be rooting for you. Right? Like, what's the thing? Like, at least give us that sincere, whether we want to believe it or not, that, like, listen, we just, like, we really think there's something there. And, like, he makes me feel blank, blank, blank, blank, blank in ways that blank. You know, Kyle never did, like, just sell it. Sell us the relationship other than we had to, like, panic and we released a statement ahead of when we wanted to because there was a video out there and just making it seem like it's a small crush.

[Natalie Joy]

I hope Andy asked West specifically to define the relationship.

[Nick]

Ooh, good question.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, I hope. And I hope Amanda did not say a word until after he was like, oh, we're just. Because she's like. Rumor on the street is she's like, that's my boyfriend. They're there. That's like, boyfriend? Yeah, he's throwing the term around. Boyfriend.

[Host 2]

Well, boyfriend. And then he wouldn't even say her name in his podcast.

[Natalie Joy]

I do think he did say her name, like, once.

[Nick]

Amanda or Sierra.

[Host 2]

I do think either Amanda did.

[Natalie Joy]

He's like, Amanda. He said Amanda is getting a lot of the hate right now. And I do wish people would. He did say her name.

[Host 2]

Okay. I thought he said she's getting a lot of the hate right now then. Yeah.

[Nick]

It really is incredible how Kyle has really done a. A 180 now. Everyone's focused on his, like, good looks and how he look. Looks great for his age.

[Host 2]

I'm still not forgetting what he did. That's on the back burner for now.

[Nick]

I don't think anyone really is forgetting it. Right. But, like, and that's why you're not seeing how get a ton of sympathy. It's just more. He's just like off the hook, you know?

[Host 2]

Karma.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And now you're neutral, right?

[Susie]

Yeah, you're neutral.

[Nick]

Everyone's neutral. Everyone's like, you know what, you're going to, you're a DJ now. You're going to sleep with a bunch of like, fans.

[Natalie Joy]

No, he's out on the street, streets kissing Megan from. Megan, right. From O.C. megan King. Like, so what he's kiss.

[Nick]

Probably kissing a lot of people.

[Natalie Joy]

They. I just need them to stay out of Bravo.

[Nick]

I, I guarantee you Kyle is Kyle's. I, I don't know if he's staying out of Bravo, but he's getting out of Bravo. I, I'm just saying I think Kyle's. Kyle's enjoying, I think his single life, no doubt.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, he was enjoying his single life while married.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he was doing that. That's nothing new for him.

[Justin]

I mean, not to add fuel to the fire, but Mia from Southern Hospitality was on Watch what happens live and basically said that back in September she filmed this like digital date with Wes Wilson and then met Amanda in September at BravoCon and was like talking to Amanda. Amanda basically said, oh yeah, me and Wes pre gamed your date. So like she's now saying that like maybe the timeline of west in September. In September, so the timeline now could allegedly extend into November. And then she basically, Mia ends up being like, I don't want to get involved, but girl, did we get the

[Host 2]

same tip or damn, did we get the same tip? Is.

[Susie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, listen, they clearly, I think if you ask Wes and Amanda, they'll go to their grave and say that this didn't start until Amanda was February. Separated.

[Guest 2]

February.

[Natalie Joy]

He said on his podcast that February was when things got serious.

[Nick]

Yeah, but exactly. But like, you know, people are going to keep coming out. People speculate, but like they were clearly hanging out and they'll just say that they were friends and they will claim that no physical boundaries were ever crossed. But clearly there was an intimacy between Amanda and West, whether they wanted to acknowledge it, whatever. And there's just going to be more of these stories. We're just never going to get a straight answer. So people are just going to believe what they want to believe. And I don't think at the end of the day it doesn't really matter because again, that has nothing really to do with like, we only really care about Ciara's feelings. We don't. That's, you know, not that we don't care about Kyle's feelings, but like, yeah, we there's still not a lot of space to, like, we don't feel bad for Kyle because the marriage was already over. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've already accepted that Amanda and Kyle's marriage was done. We weren't rooting for it anymore on either side. So that timeline really is irrelevant in the terms of, like, right or wrong. I don't know. I kind of think so. And, you know, maybe it just adds more fuel to the fire of Sierra thinking Amanda's a snake in the grass. Because again, we did see, you know, Amanda pretending to be Sierra's friend in this time. And clearly there was an intimacy between Wes and Amanda that she was downplaying, at least to herself, if to everyone, certainly everyone else. And now they're just kind of conveniently like, marking this new, like, you know, start date to this relationship. And I imagine whenever they, like, made out for the first time or probably it's probably the first time they had sex, whenever they say they started is when, you know, they had sex for the first time.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

I think it's like people. This is more interesting in general, the way people will talk about relationships and how they come together. When the timeline is messy, it's always interesting the date people choose to land on.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Justin]

Because it's like they discuss it, right. They're like, okay, we're going to say this is.

[Host 2]

We're going to say this is when. And then you can always tell when it's like a pre discussed time.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, that's why it was interesting to hear Jesse on Watch what happens live when Andy asked him something and he was like, march and this. It was like right when it was like two days after west had come out and said that their things got serious in February or whatever. And Andy was like, you better get your timelines matched up like these. These questions are coming. You better talk to your boy, cuz,

[Nick]

like, everyone I thought Jesse was like, I was lied to. I had no idea he was.

[Natalie Joy]

I think he is. Yeah, he's. But I mean, we think he's, like, just fully not even West's friend at all anymore.

[Nick]

No, I think.

[Susie]

I think he's. Nothing happened to standing by.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, Jesse's fine. Jesse's just trying to get his Spotify streams up.

[Justin]

Like, that's true.

[Host 2]

Let the man.

[Justin]

He's on tour.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah. He just doesn't want this to ruin the tour.

[Susie]

I'm like, is this. Is this. Would they all be this messy if this was their real lives and it wasn't? They Weren't on, like, this reality show. Like, I just think there's this, like, like, question about it where I'm like, is this worth it? Like, I feel like obviously Kyle's doing fine, but I'm like, this is just so messy and horrible.

[Nick]

To your point, Susie, outside of Sierra, Amanda west, and Kyle, anyone else, like, popping off is, you know, they're riding the wave. They're doing it for the clout. You know, Mia is like, everyone wants

[Natalie Joy]

to feel in these types of situations. I think whether they're on a reality TV show or not, wants to feel like they're the victim in the story. Everyone wants to be like, oh, God.

[Nick]

Or they're gonna speak up in terms of, like, how they're connected, the story. Mia being a very, you know, one of Sierra's closest friends. And, like, in these scenes with Amanda and Sierra talking about friends, friendship. So, like, she is probably the closest connected to it who's not actually involved in it. And then, you know, you have KJ who's, like, was introduced to the show by Wes, so there's that kind of. But he's also become friends with Sierra, and so he's inserted himself. But yeah, like, and then you have Lindsay Hubbard, who's also, like, you know, been like, kind of mother to this whole group over the years, you know? Yeah, they're all finding their lane to say, I have a reason to say something and you should listen to me. But, yeah, there's definitely a hugely performative nature to this. And they're all like, you know, they're all milking it 100% for their spotlight for sure.

[Justin]

As they should, I guess.

[Host 2]

And I'm entertained.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Like, it's doing their job. Yeah. And I'm entertained. I keep it coming.

[Nick]

Yeah.

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[Host 2]

You haven't forgotten.

[Susie]

I heard something too.

[Justin]

People be yapping.

[Nick]

No one told me definitively, but I've heard from a lot of people who know a lot of people and a lot of people just like on the ground, close to the situation. I heard things like, and I quote, It's 100% getting aired. I heard there's a 85% chance getting aired.

[Natalie Joy]

Nothing definitive, but 100%.

[Nick]

Well, that's what that would have. That would have been someone. That was their opinion. That's not like they heard it from someone. But there's a lot like I haven't heard from anyone who is at least adjacently connected to the people who are making these decisions who think that we're not going to see it. And I think it's going to ultimately end up on Hulu. Rob Mills of Hulu and Disney executive vice president of all these unscripted show. It's really. He's in charge of it all. Recently did an interview talking about Taylor Frankie Paul and his decision to cast her as a Bachelorette. And you can go read the quote if you want to. It doesn't really give anything like specific away. But he very much like, he's kind of low key, sells the season. He talks about how it was a great season. He talks about how it was like he's pitching. He's kind of pitching it. It's not like a statement of regret. It's not a statement of defensiveness. It's a, hey, listen, here's. I made some decisions. Things happened.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, I wonder if Taylor would even want this to air after what I think she, everyone, after all of this shit, after ABC canceling it, after making her go on this press tour, after all that shit was leaked at just like, would she even want it aired?

[Nick]

That's a great question.

[Justin]

I, I don't have to deactivate.

[Nick]

She did over the weekend deactivate her socials. I, I want to believe that was just for like a moment of clarity and some, some, some mental health kind of protecting recharge. I don't, I don't think there's like a smoking gun as to why she made that decision. I also talked to some other people who are. Who are very close to the situation, who firmly believe that obviously Taylor, Frankie, Paul, in due time will make a very strong and very noticeable comeback.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, it would never have put that past.

[Nick]

I think a lot of people aren't. Are unsure about that.

[Justin]

But I was gonna say a lot of the Mormon wives have gone on record to say that, like, the version of Taylor that we saw this season of the Bachelorette is like the real version of Taylor and like a good version of her. So a lot of people are wanting that to air.

[Nick]

Well, it seems like the people making the show have finally, like, realized their mistake of. Of obsessively including Dakota in this whole storyline. And like, obviously Taylor is responsible for her actions, regardless of Dakota's involvement in how he might trigger her. But to that point, if they move forward, I think Taylor on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is an absolute sure thing. I do think Taylor has not gotten the benefit of a healthy environment. You know, you put someone in a shitty environment, you put some in an environment that ultimately endlessly triggers them, and you will get a version of them that a lot of people might not recognize. You know, like, reality TV is all about putting people in situations. There's always that big question on reality tv, is it scripted? Is it staged? It's rarely, if ever scripted. Certainly, like the Hulu shows, they do a good job of having those authenticity in their shows. But there are staged environments, right? There are staged scenes. They will put, like, Dakota and Taylor in a room and say, talk about this. They will get a group of those girls together then to say, all right, talk about the thing that talked about that. Now, what is discussed in those scenes is up to the people involved in those scenes. And they will often surprise people in those scenes. They might surprise half the people in the scenes while the other half knows what they're going to bring up because they want to surprise some of the people in there. So these. All these kind of staged environments that like, set up the environments they want to create. But what happens in those situations are very authentic and reactive. Authentic to the extent that is. It is a manufactured environment. So, yeah, I mean, it's not too shocking to hear those women have seen and gotten to know a version of Taylor that many people us fans have just not been able to see, because the only thing we see is her and Dakota, you know, and her responding to the drama online. I mean, there's very. There hasn't been a long enough lane of Taylor, Frankie Paul having kind of peace and contentment in her life and seeing how she moves in that space. So it's not surprising to hear that. It was interesting to see. We had Jesse, we had Miranda, Layla, we had Macy. It seemed like they were very nervous because it seemed like this was, like, their first public appearance. And since this kind of all went down, you didn't have Whitney there, you didn't have Taylor there, you didn't have Jen there. And so it was, like, half of the cast, and you could tell, it seemed like they were very unsure and very curious themselves of how, like, the audience at the Hulu Get Real event would receive. And they seemed kind of nervous about it.

[Guest 2]

We watched.

[Natalie Joy]

Obviously, I was not there. I stayed home with river, but we got in my bed to go to bed, and I turned on the TV because we were gonna watch Peter Pan. And then I was like, obviously on Disney. And it said, hulu, get real. Watch live. And I was like, oh, my gosh, let's see if we can find Dada. And so we clicked it and we're watching it. And it just happened to be the part where all of them were on stage. And I was like, why is this so awkward? Like, what is going on? Like, were they just having technical difficulties? Like the teleprompter?

[Nick]

It was one of those, like, classic. It was. It was, you know, they. They go big and want it to be a live event when it should not have been a live event, you know, And I. And so there was a lot of production glitches. They also, like, filmed it in, like, this area where, like, I was in the shade, but if you were down there, you were getting buried by the sun. So there was a lot of that. That people didn't get to see.

[Justin]

The crowd didn't help them.

[Nick]

The crowd didn't help. I mean, the crowd was just a bu. Of, like, bloggers. And in. You know, it was not, like, a bunch of fans. It was a bunch of people who were all there for themselves in a way, you know, And. And. And so you're going to get a slightly different reaction. It's not going to be the same as, like, having, like.

[Natalie Joy]

They weren't cheering for them. They were videotaping further, like, real.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Justin]

That's what Natalie.

[Host 2]

They were making content.

[Justin]

Exactly. That they were keeping silent so they could narrate later. Like, so that's why you didn't get people cheering for the talent.

[Host 2]

Justin, I heard you cheered.

[Nick]

I did, but you could tell that, like, I don't think the Mormon wives had that kind of awareness of knowing because, again, this is their first time Facing the public in a live event since the scandal, and you could tell that they were, you know.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, I'm sure it adds an element of pressure, like, anytime.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, I know what that's like. You know, it's a very human response to just be like, all right, how are people gonna receive us?

[Natalie Joy]

And also, I feel like being on stage, like, presenting anything or like the way that they welcomed the new cast of OC up, and then it was like, kind of like clanky and glitch. It's like, I feel like when there's not a run through or like, rehearsal of that kind of thing, it's just never gonna, like, no one's ever gonna really know what I like. Layla hugged everyone. Some of the girls, like, didn't hug anyone. And it was kind of like, y' all should have ran through this.

[Justin]

Natalie, I'm so glad you brought this up, because I saw the videos of it, and it's like they were walking in heels on the grass for a good distance before they the stage, and I'm like, how did you not sink in, first of all? And, like, I know you were, like, focusing on not doing that just to get to the stage.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. But we do have the cast of the new Secret Lives of Mormon Wives oc. It's definitely some names I recognize.

[Nick]

It's a star studded cast.

[Justin]

Star studded McCall, which is Macy's sister.

[Nick]

Macy's sister is on this cast.

[Host 2]

Macy's sister. That looks just like her. Identical.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Justin had me gagged, so Jen didn't.

[Nick]

Come on. Is Jen part of the OC cast? I've seen mixed things.

[Justin]

Jen wasn't announced to be a part of it originally. She literally just announced like, a couple minutes ago.

[Natalie Joy]

What I heard is that these girls were being interviewed at the Get Real event, and they asked, is Jenna part of this? Where's Jen? And they were like, she. What we know is that she's, like, sick today. So she couldn't make it to the Hulu Get Real event. And then there was like, okay. And then Jen posted on Instagram, like, a Full House intro where she's, like, introing herself and all of the rest of the girls as the new cast.

[Nick]

Interesting.

[Natalie Joy]

So, yes, she is.

[Nick]

I heard at the event from someone who would know when we were talking about the new cast of OC about Jen not being involved. And that conversation seemed like Jen wasn't involved. And the quote I heard from this person was, Zack fucked up. Any chance that Jen had of that, which then I was surprised. I Was surprised to hear this about Jen following the event because, like, if. What doesn't add up is that if Jen was planned on being a part of the cast, sick or not, why wasn't that mentioned at the event? Why is this all happening after event online and it seems to primarily be coming from Jen? Doesn't it seem kind of weird?

[Susie]

There's been, like, speculation that her and Zach have been like, it's not good. Yeah. So I wonder if, like, if she needed to remove herself from him. And as soon as she did that, it was like the green light to be like, okay, now you can be on. I don't know what happened, obviously, but, like, maybe it just.

[Nick]

Well, what does that look like? You know, like.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Nick]

What does that look? Yeah, I mean, they're married, they have kids. It's not like you can just be like, okay, I'm. I'm taking a break, you know, but

[Natalie Joy]

what I know from this group of ladies is like, the lore goes deep for every single one of them.

[Justin]

Natalie, get into it.

[Natalie Joy]

You've got Bobby Altoff, who was. I mean, she came out of nowhere, started podcasting. She was sitting with, like, Drake and all of these major rappers.

[Nick]

Married with a kid, left her husband. Everyone speculated that she left her husband because she got, like, famous overnight. Now, I don't know. I don't think really anyone on the Internet knows about the backstory of her marriage. Was that the reason? Were their problems going, you know, before, you know, who knows? Maybe it was just like a long time coming. But we don't. We don't know the details there, so that'll be interesting.

[Natalie Joy]

Then we have Aspen Ovard, who has been on YouTube for 15 years. I definitely, at some point remember, like, watching her videos, so it'll be very interesting to see. Just like, what about her life is in, like, portrayed in the show. Then we have Avery woods, who was a, like, I think, pick you nurse and like, started doing content, talking about being a nurse. So that'll be interesting to see. Kind of how she lives her day to day. You have Salome Andrea, who's also a tiktoker. She's like this hot mom of two twin girls. All of a sudden, she just, like, stopped posting with her husband. No one has said anything. It was just kind of like he's gone out of the picture. She's like, moved into a new house.

[Nick]

I heard from people close to the show that there is a clear group of sinners and saints in this group.

[Host 2]

Good to know.

[Nick]

So there's a group of troublemakers I guess and, and, and ones that are, I guess judging the troublemakers maybe as I take it, you know, it looks

[Natalie Joy]

like it will be good.

[Nick]

Well, we also have Jesse's ex Jordan popping off online making reels and cameos, wanting everyone to know now that he is been divorced that the secret lives of Mormon wives is fake. He wants everyone to know that men

[Host 2]

used to get a divorce and listen to Steely did.

[Justin]

The divorce also isn't finalized yet. Take him. Take a beat, please.

[Host 2]

Come on.

[Nick]

Also like this goes back to like the, the scripted and like now that now that Jordan's out of the show, he wants to minimize what the show is. He wants people to think that he got a bad edit. He wants people, that's the only reason, the only reason people like don't like him is because he is a victim of the edit. Chase Miranda's ex popped off and said there could be 10 different iterations of the edit and you would still be unlikable in every single one. And I honestly thought for Chase that was pretty funny and also very true. A couple things about Jordan. Well, you know, we had, we were able to interview him along with Jesse. I mean he, he is, he's kind of a prick. He's kind of very off putting. The few times like before Jesse and Jordan were getting divorced, when I did the reunion, there were a couple times I tried to talk him and I was just trying to see like how like what his mental state was at the time. And he always seemed very manipulative. Like I remember him telling me that he was worried for Jesse. This was after I had heard through the grapevine that he was like a bad husband and there was a lot of like ways that he treated her that were like we weren't getting to see and, and that was going to come out in the next season. And I, I, I had heard that information so I wanted to see what Jordan had to say. And the way he framed it was like to try to convince me that Jesse was very much always in the wrong, which felt kind of icky. I also know that the reason why the guys got to go to Vanderpump Villa is because Jordan begged, begged. And if it weren't for Jordan desperately trying to go and confront Marciano, it might not have happened. Also heard that of all the men that went to Vanderpump Villa, despite what we know about them and how they might be complicated, even Dakota, that all the men were quite lovely and easy to work with and polite, except for Jordan, who came in like an Absolute diva was rude to everyone on production. And it just, like, speaks to, like, this is. This is his character, you know, like, this is not the type of guy who, like, he's gonna blame the edit, but at the end, he'll never look at himself and think about what he could or could have done differently. And I'm honestly just very glad that Jesse is out. And despite Jesse, you know, she's out there making out with, you know, at least it's not someone's friend. Like, Amanda could have been doing this. You know, Amanda could have a little. Been making out with every. I mean, she may not. Maybe the chase of it all, the Miranda. I don't know. Maybe she's got me there. I don't know. I don't think Miranda seems to really care. Whatever. Maybe Jesse wants to just have fun outside of the making out with chase. That's Miranda's friend. I just think someone And Jesse's shoes deserves to just get a little sloppy and a little messy. And even if it's like.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, you know, one of the other guys she was seen making out with. One of Taylor Frankie Paul's men from Bachelor.

[Nick]

Allegedly.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

[Susie]

Yeah, he Loki posted her on his story, but, like, didn't include her face, but it was like she was wearing that dress. That's her body.

[Host 2]

Here's the thing with Jesse right now. It's like, girl, I want to support you.

[Nick]

Why can't you support her?

[Host 2]

Because it's like, Marciano. You're still fucking with Marciano.

[Susie]

Yeah, the Marciano is tough. And I love Jesse.

[Nick]

I met him. I mean, he's a tall, handsome guy. You know, he's. I don't know if she just wants to have a little physical intimacy, I guess.

[Host 2]

There are plenty of other hunky men that would. That she could get cracked by if

[Nick]

she just wants to get some. Why does she have to like their character?

[Justin]

Mary, I will say I also don't like Marciano, but I did hear through the grapevine that she makes him a better man. And you could laugh at that.

[Host 2]

She doesn't need to fix anyone else. She just needs to get her back.

[Nick]

Like, but why can't she mess. Mess around with a toxic. Like, why does he have to be a good. History's too strong to just have some fun.

[Host 2]

If you're gonna. If you're gonna mess around with someone that's toxic, it can't be someone that you.

[Justin]

The marcion is too much. I agree.

[Host 2]

Yeah. It's just like, find Someone find someone toxic and new and hot. Don't do the toxic old cycle through. Yeah, yeah.

[Susie]

Do we think that there was any part of it that was just like, I know this is gonna. Just killed Jordan?

[Nick]

Probably, yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Because that I get.

[Susie]

I personally, unfortunately, I don't know. Sometimes I think that guys do things that just like, really hurt women, that really, like, true actions that. It's like, that was so horrible. Like, I can't believe he would do that to me. And then girls are like, well, I'm actually not gonna do anything, but, like, I'm gonna let myself be seen with Marciano and, like, that's gonna really mess this up.

[Justin]

And it does.

[Susie]

I'm like, and it does. And it's like. And it's maybe just a mind game. I don't know.

[Guest 2]

Psychological warfare.

[Susie]

Yeah, I am. I literally love this.

[Host 2]

Psychological warfare.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Susie]

Psychological warfare.

[Nick]

If Sierra and West never dated, let's say Sierra had left the show and was doing bigger and better things two seasons ago, and she was just completely removed from the summer house cast and the lore of it all. And do you think we would give a fuck if Amanda dated West and the only three people in that triangle were Kyle, Wes, and Amanda? I don't think we would give a fuck. I honestly think a lot of people would be very much team Amanda, and they would be like, hey, that's what. That's what you get when you ignore your wife for 10 years. And. And. And she doesn't feel seen. And.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, and there's this guy right there making her feel all the things that you never did. I don't think we would give a right. Like, do we actually.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Susie]

I don't know. I don't think so. Not if Sierra was like. Like, not in the equation.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Because it's not like I'm like, how could we do this to Kyle? Like, that was never the thing. It was how. Like the Sierra of it all. So, yeah. No, if it was just Amanda and Wes, like, I would be neutral, like we said. Okay.

[Nick]

So to my point, I just. Outside whatever Miranda feels about Jesse making out with Chase and that, honestly, I don't think Miranda doesn't seem to care. I have no judgment whatsoever on who Jesse Draper is making out with, hooking up with, or doing whatever she wants. Because, like, yeah, I think she was in a really, really bad situation. And I took. I think it took her all the strength that she had to have the guts to finally leave. And he is still being Jordan. That is messy and toxic and all the Things. And this is a response to that. And I think she is more than entitled to do whatever the fuck she wants for a period of time, as long as there's no collateral damage outside of Jordan's feelings.

[Host 2]

Yes, I completely agree with that. And for the record, she, like, I'm. This is just my opinion on her taste in men. This is the way. This is what, like, she's allowed to do whatever she wants. Honestly. Get it. Like, get it. Be messy. This is your time to be messy. Turn on some Sheryl Crow and, like, go and live your life.

[Nick]

We're just talking about hooking up here.

[Host 2]

I'm talking about hooking up. Well, I just. I think it's like Marciano. I think just from my knowledge of him just sends a chill up my spine. So whenever he comes back.

[Nick]

But you only know him from the.

[Host 2]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I know.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

This is what I'm basing my entire opinion off of, is people I know from the Internet.

[Nick]

I think she.

[Host 2]

I think Jesse's really hot and she can get someone hotter if you want someone hotter. Jesse, like, I see you with, like, a Tom Selleck type of man.

[Justin]

She could DM a guy and get a response.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I asked the Salt Lake City ladies if I was, you know, the single ones. I was like, do you guys, like, are men in your DMs? Like, are they hitting you up? You know, because you're all single and they're, like, bone dry. I guess the boys are too scared

[Host 2]

straight men aren't necessarily. Straight single men are not necessarily watching Housewives and keeping up with true DMing.

[Nick]

Wes Wilson is probably. There's probably 50 women out there that could come forward with Wes being like, I got DM'd.

[Host 2]

Well, that's because, like, yeah, because the women are watching Bravo.

[Susie]

But I think people are afraid to get involved. People that are messy online. Like, if you think that you are going to get exposed, like, if you do something, if you make one wrong. Like, people posting relationship stuff post Stagecoach. It's like, people are literally just like, so down to out. People with, like, relationships are messy. Like. Like, it can be bad, but it's. I mean, I think people that have a public image but are not reality, I understand why they would be nervous to, like, date a reality star or date, like an influencer. It's like, damn, like, I'm gonna be put on block blast, surrounded by drama. Do the wrong thing. Yeah. Or. And you shouldn't do the wrong thing. But, like, people are just imperfect. So. Yeah.

[Host 2]

And then meanwhile, you're just trying to, like, figure out what your relationship is. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Do we have time to talk about Megan Thee, Stallion and Clay and Klay Thompson?

[Susie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick]

We got an NBA cheating scandal with Klay Thompson. We got an NFL. NFL cheating scandal with the coach of the Patriots.

[Host 2]

Really? Yeah. I don't know about the Patriots coach, but basically what happens is Megan Thee, Stallion, goes on her story posts. Cheating had me around your whole family playing house. Got cold feet holding you down through all your horrible mood swings and treatment towards me during your basketball season. Now you don't know if you can be monogamous. Bitch, I need a real break after this one by y'. All. She then released a statement saying, I've made the decision to end my relationship with Clay. Trust, fidelity, and respect are non negotiable for me in a relationship. And when those values are compromised, there is no real path forward. I'm taking this time to prioritize myself and move ahead with peace and clarity. And if there is one thing I could say to Klay Thompson. How dare you, Megan the Stallion. You're gonna fumble.

[Nick]

Didn't he go in alive and accuse her of cheating?

[Susie]

She did not.

[Host 2]

He basically. I trust Megan.

[Susie]

I just. Megan, that's my sister.

[Host 2]

Like, I feel so parasocial towards me.

[Justin]

I didn't even look up his side of the story.

[Host 2]

It's just. It's just all men have to do is the bare minimum.

[Susie]

It is. It is the bare minimum. It is. I'm with you. And honestly, the biggest crime for me is the mood swings. I'm not gonna lie. That is the biggest crime to me.

[Host 2]

I mean, when you walk on eggshells around like a guy just because, like, he can't keep his, like, like, feelings to himself or communicate it. No.

[Susie]

Yeah. I'm like, mood swings are for me, but I don't even do them.

[Nick]

That is child's play to compare to what's going on into the NFL.

[Susie]

Oh, tell us. Give us the tea then.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say Klay Thompson.

[Susie]

Yeah, I'm just. Yeah.

[Nick]

You have Mike Rabel, the coach of the New England Patriots, who is recently connected with Deanna Rossi. She is a longtime espn, like, writes for the Atlantic. She's been in the business for a long time covering the NFL. She's an NFL in insider, so she, like, gets the tea. You know, the scoop, the breaking news sources close to the information. Well, it turns out that one of those sources is former player, now current head coach of the New England Patriots. He used to coach the Tennessee Titans. And like a month ago, there were pictures coming out of them, like, you know, canoodling, you know, looking too close. She denied everything. He kind of denied everything. But then more came out and then he's fine because he's the guy and he's the coach and he's going to probably get away scott free. She has since resigned from her position and she's definitely getting the brunt of the criticism. But then now, now very much like Scamanda, where you're getting like old videos coming out now. Then a picture of them six years ago, canoodling at a bar came out. And then like a day later, she broke like a story that only like she could have got from like, say the coach of the Tennessee Titans, which Mike Vrabel was. And then she. She's married with a kid. She named her youngest son Mike Michael.

[Justin]

Oh my God.

[Susie]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

She tweeted something like, I'm sitting here looking at my 4 day old son and wondering who are some of the best coaches and players named Michael? And now everyone's speculating. Is her youngest son the son of Mike Vrabel, the head coach of the New England Patriots?

[Natalie Joy]

Probably.

[Susie]

This is when I need their husband. I need him to post on the story I want to hear.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, a lot of people think that he hired the PI to find out and get these photos of these two because of what's been going on. So if you need more scandal out there, look no further than the NFL. They got you covered.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. Wow.

[Nick]

Wives, talk to your husbands because if you want a good, like, mutual, you know, you can, you can compare notes on Scamanda and the Mike Raybrill. Diana Rossi.

[Justin]

That's crazy.

[Host 2]

Agrees. Great gab sesh.

[Nick]

Well, we do have Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhode island coming up. Before we do, we do have part one of the reunion of Beverly Hills Housewives. My biggest takeaway is they're all jealous of Amanda.

[Natalie Joy]

Really?

[Susie]

You think?

[Justin]

You think so? That wasn't my biggest.

[Susie]

That's not my biggest takeaway either. I think they're annoyed with her.

[Host 2]

Such an Amanda Stan.

[Nick]

I'm an Amanda Stan. I mean, listen, she said, yes, she, she is direct and she can say things that are a little crass and off putting and things like, I love Amanda too, but, but I just think, like, listen, she has a lot of these things that, you know, like, she's one of the younger ones. She is in a happy marriage despite what, you know, she has said about her husband or what was Edited. And I think, you know, we had Amanda come on, and I think we definitely got to see a lot of snippets of how she talked about her husband.

[Natalie Joy]

I do think that was interesting that they felt the need to push their. Like how their husbands or how they would have felt if. Yeah, like, it's like, well, they do have a different relationship than maybe you and your ex husband.

[Nick]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Maybe Amanda's husband is nothing like, like PK or even Mo or Tom Gerardo. Maybe he is more of a progressive, enlightened man who is very secure with himself and is very comfortable with the job that he has and he is passionate about it. And maybe he really is truly turned on that his wife and mother of his children is his boss woman who makes a lot of money. And he is in no way bothered by the role he plays in this marriage. And it's just like, funny to see Rachel Zoe who is going through this very messy divorce and she can't. And she has no problem saying publicly that she won't even have. Like, she won't even be in the same room as her ex husband's girlfriend. And she is telling Amanda how Amanda is supposed to speak to her husband as if, like, I don't know what's going on in Rachel Zoe's marriage or their dynamic she has with her ex husband, but I don't think Amanda needs notes from Rachel Zoe about how Amanda should be speaking or talking to her husband when it terms of. In terms of like making him feel valued, insecure. I just don't. I think. I think Rachel Zoe looks a little silly in that moment because. And it just looks like you're jealous. It looks like you're mad that she's either younger. She, you know, she has all these, you know, if you're to reach. He has the money that to read doesn't have in the marriage that she doesn't have. If you're Rachel Zoe, she has the marriage that Rachel Zoe doesn't have. The only one who doesn't seem all that jealous of her is Kyle, who, like, who. Who could be if she wanted to.

[Alicia]

But.

[Nick]

Right. Great. Kyle's secure in herself. I mean, she still has this relationship with Mo that despite it being a divorce, is still like. I think a lot of people in Kyle's shoes would. Would pick the relationship she has with Mo over, like, say, the relationship Rachel Zoe has with her ex husband.

[Natalie Joy]

The way Kyle said, we are not in the same financial situation.

[Nick]

I do how she liked it when she comes with.

[Natalie Joy]

No offense, she Gently said, dorit goes the auto gas.

[Nick]

It's true. I mean, listen, when you have news coming out that you're. You're not paying your mortgage and you owe almost a million dollars, like, that's not like, oops, I'm a little late on my rent payment. That's like.

[Natalie Joy]

And I do think that's valid for your friends to be like, hey, you're spending 4k on, like, something that you probably don't need. Like, is that necessary?

[Susie]

And that is funny that she was like, well, they closed down the store for us, and, like. Like, nobody's spending any money. I'm like, well, you don't have to personally take on that financial responsibility for the entire cast.

[Justin]

I feel like that was Rachel's responsibility too, if that was her friend.

[Susie]

Right. I feel like also, it's like the store is getting promo by being on the show. So I'm like, that's kind of a thing in itself. You know, you don't have to spend.

[Justin]

I do appreciate Erica, the ice queen coming back. Like, she can just, like. What is the word when you, like, not rally. What is it called where you just hit the ping pong back and forth? Like, she knows how to do it. Especially with Dorit.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She knows how to really lock in and get under Dorit skin. My favorite part was also Andy just, like, kind of being Dorit's whole, like, over Dorit's frustration. What do you say? He was like, yeah, I know you're still frustrated.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, you're.

[Host 2]

I know you're frustrated.

[Justin]

And he's always been kind of shady.

[Host 2]

I know he's just like, we get it.

[Nick]

I just don't think Amanda plays the game that the rest of these women, especially in bev hills, play. And it's varied center around the TV show. And I just think Amanda hasn't bought in. Like, when Erica says something like, you just haven't been vulnerable with us, I mean, like, I just think they. I think. I don't think she's been vulnerable with them in the way that those women expect vulnerability. But I just. I just think vulnerability can be shown in different ways. I just don't think it's the way these women want her to show. I think they want humility, not vulnerability. Right. And then we got to interview Amanda, and she talked about how she think, like, false humility is kind of. It's manipulative. It's kind of a joke. And I think that's. I think these women kind of want Amanda or whoever, new housewives to come in and kind of bow down to the feet of. Of these women who've been on for so long. Ironically enough, the one person who's been on for so long, Kyle, is the person who cares the least about that. And it seems to be most secure with her position on the show. And she's the one who's kind of attacking Amanda the least, which is, I think, kind of funny.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't know. I'm just watching and think, like, they. I don't know, they just seem kind of jealous to me. They.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Seem jealous.

[Justin]

Rachel Zo, dating a life coach had a cherry on top for me.

[Nick]

Right.

[Justin]

So it's Amanda.

[Alicia]

Right?

[Natalie Joy]

She said they were not there.

[Susie]

I do think with Amanda, though, know, I kind of feel like she. Like, I. I do like Amanda, and I hear everything you're saying, but I also think kind of like what we were talking about with Summer House, where it's like sometimes you just gotta, like, say sorry or whatever. I feel like everyone's coming at her, and I feel like she's not really taking any responsibility for kind of maybe rubbing people the wrong way, where I feel like it could go a long way if she was just like, is she sitting there really defending and being like, well, we're all talking about this. We're all talking about our handbags. We're all doing X, Y, and Z. I feel like she could just be like, I'm really sorry for how I'm coming across. Like, I'm so proud of what I've built. Like, she could just offer a sincerity. And I feel like that might go a long way. But I don't think she's like. I don't think she's, like, giving any of that.

[Nick]

I just don't think she cares about their approval. And I think she finds it silly to have to apologize for something that, to her point, they're all doing. She's just getting clipped and they're focusing on her, and she's just like, what am I? I can give you a fake apology. I don't mean. Or I can just stand on business.

[Susie]

Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? Isn't that your quote? Isn't that something you say where it's like, do you want to be right or do you want to be. Do you want to have friends? Like, sometimes it's like, okay, like, I'm sorry. I just. I'm sorry. I'm annoying.

[Nick]

If Amanda called in to ask Nick and she can't. She came on her couch for an interview. She's like, guys, you know, help me out here. Why do you think I can't get these women to fuck with me or like me, then yes, that would be my feedback. I would be like, listen, just like, you're saying things that rub the wrong way and if you really want to be included by these women, then yeah, you might need to move. But I don't think she, I don't think she cares. You know what I'm saying? I don't think she cares. Concern of hers. I don't think she is trying to be best friends with any of these women outside of maybe Kyle. So she is not going to do or say things that she doesn't mean just to like get their approval on a show.

[Susie]

Like, she doesn't care about that aspect of it. Okay, yeah.

[Nick]

If it was like, hey, I'm really cared about these, like in interpersonal relationships and help me connect with these women better. Totally different response. I just don't think she gives a fuck and I don't think she's complaining about why these women don't like her. I think she is frustrated about how she's been portrayed or how they've been hyper focused on these one things about her that to her feel hypocritical given how they also move.

[Susie]

Yeah, that's. And that's fair. Honestly, I do think that it's fair. I, I see where she's coming from.

[Host 2]

I feel like for me, Amanda does. To your point of sincerity, Susie? I think she is sincere in her own way. And I don't think that necessarily lands with the other women of Beverly Hills or the Bravo audience. Necessarily. Yeah, I think she is very much like.

[Susie]

Like she's been in therapy.

[Host 2]

Yeah, she doesn't like.

[Nick]

And she has her.

[Host 2]

She doesn't care. She's like, this is how like, she's

[Susie]

like, okay, she uses therapy talk and I don't think, I don't think it lands. You know, she uses therapy talk in

[Host 2]

a way that she actually understands what she's talking about.

[Nick]

She, she overall has her together and she is grounded enough that when pops up in her life and drama happens that she doesn't lose her and respond poorly only to have to clean up the mess. She just like kind of grounds herself and says and asks herself, all right, what's the best way to move forward? To your point, that's not your typical Bravo housewife and it's not how the fans like their housewives. They want to see the reaction. They want to see them make bad Decisions, then they want to see. Then they want to see them get on their knees, beg for forgiveness, and then on the next season, have their redemptive arc so that we can, as fans, forgive them. And that gives us the power to say, we forgave you. You were contrite. And Amanda's like, fuck that. That's not who I am. And honestly, I fucking love it, and I respect it. And I think, honestly, she's definitely happier than all those people on that cast.

[Susie]

I agree.

[Host 2]

I mean, it's also interesting with the way Andy. Andy had said in the reunion that not since Camille Grammer has he seen someone elicit such a strong season one Camille. Grammar, mind you, in the audience. And it just got me thinking of, like, season one Camille, season two Camille. And the reason season one Camille pissed people off so much was because it seemed like she was just so completely unaware that Kelsey Grammer was being a And that she was also just not being nice to everyone in the cast. And then she gets. It is revealed that Kelsey Grammer put her on the show so he could cheat on her, and then he leaves her. And then season two, you get Camille being like, all right, I'm here. And that's when the troops really started rallying around Camille.

[Nick]

Sadly, I don't think we're gonna get another season of Amanda.

[Host 2]

I know. So it's like. And I really just, like, that came at the price of Camille's relationship, so I would want the best for Amanda.

[Justin]

But I think she's coming back.

[Susie]

You guys don't think that. So you think she's gonna be like,

[Justin]

I'm manifesting that she comes back.

[Host 2]

I'm also manifesting.

[Nick]

I don't think she's coming back.

[Susie]

Wait there. She has to.

[Nick]

I want her back.

[Susie]

Do you think on her end or.

[Nick]

I think it's not for her. And I think that's going to be her decision. And I think she's just like. I think she now understands what this world is and what is expected of her, and I think she's gonna opt out.

[Susie]

Well, I respect that, then. I actually really respect that. People being able to say no when it doesn't suit them.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

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[Nick]

Alicia, welcome to the show.

[Alicia]

I'm so happy to be here.

[Nick]

It's great to be with you. Nebraska says hi.

[Alicia]

I love Nebraska.

[Guest 2]

I love her.

[Nick]

Well, so you gotta tell me, why do you call Ashley Iaconetti Nebraska?

[Alicia]

Well, because she just came in so wholesome and I don't know, it was just like the first thing that popped in my head. I'm like, it's not Rhode island, but she might be Nebraska. I've never been to Nebraska, but I just. That was her vibe. Just like a wholesome, country loving girl. Beautiful, you know.

[Nick]

Okay. Have you met other people from Nebraska that, that they really stood out as wholesome? Or you just assume that everyone from Nebraska is, is. Must be super wholesome and lovely.

[Alicia]

I just feel like I might have watched a movie maybe where everyone was so lovely in Nebraska. Because I have. I never met anyone from Nebraska.

[Nick]

That's great. Well, first of all, we're loving Rhode Island. We're loving you on it. It's. It seem already a hit in the Bravo community. Were you a fan of the franchise before you became a housewife and just kind of like walk us through how you ended up on this show?

[Alicia]

So I was a fan of New Jersey. I liked Beverly Hills, but I wasn't, like, obsessed with the show. You know, if it was on, I would watch it. You know, my friends really loved it. And then people were saying that they were, like, looking for this Italian family in Rhode Island. I was like, oh, it's never going to happen for a show. I'm like, you know, like, nothing in Rhode Island. No one even knows where Rhode island is. And then someone called me and everything just thought it was just almost so easy, like, with the producers. Like, everything just worked out, so it just. It kind of happened. It was supposed to happen.

[Nick]

Okay. Okay.

[Alicia]

If that makes sense.

[Nick]

Absolutely. Yeah. It seems fortuitous.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Oh, by the way, Jared says you're one of his favorites.

[Alicia]

I love him too. Stop it. I love him, like, and I love his mother. His mother is so kind. She's definitely a Rhode Islander.

[Nick]

You know, it's interesting. I'm. I'm curious what you think, Alicia, because obviously we followed this franchise for a long time and. And these storylines certainly can get messy and. And fans will kind of make all these kind of speculations about, you know. Oh, I'm. I'm seeing online that the Internet thinks Ashley Iaconetti is a lesbian, apparently, because she was a very backwards hat. Yeah. I don't know. It's just like.

[Host 2]

She wore a backwards hat.

[Nick]

Yeah. I don't know. Whatever. It's like the Internet. Internet. I know it's silly, but. Which is kind of my point. Alicia, Nebraska. But, like, I. They're dear friends of mine. Jared stood up in my wedding. They're. They're some of my closest friends. And it's knowing them as people before they kind of became part of the Bravo community. Like, they really are amazing. Not only. They're not only amazing people, but they are really a perfect for LA tv. They're both incredibly quirky and their characters, you know, like, they. And it makes sense why they've been so successful in this space. And I know them as a person and it makes a lot of sense why they work on tv. So I guess I'm curious, Alicia, like, as you've gotten to know Ashley and Jared, like, is that something that you kind of see yourself? Or, like, have you always kind of been, like, with your friends or your family? Kind of like a. Kind of a quirky or just different and, like, at a very unique. And I mean, like that in a loving and special way. But, like, like, Ashley and Jared are such, like, characters and so sincere and so lovely, but they're Also, like, really open and just will, like, just be interesting people and has that something that you've related to in your life that, like, works for why we love you on tv?

[Alicia]

I think that I was always very entertaining to people. I just don't know how to not be myself. And I feel like when I'm not being myself, you could, like, it looks like I need to go to the hospital. I look like there's something wrong. Like, I'm sick. And I feel like Ashley and Jared, they are, like, by hanging out with them off camera and on camera, they are exactly who they are.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Alicia]

They don't change up to the cameras at all, you know?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Alicia]

And I feel like you kind of have to be an open book to be on this show. Like, you cannot have secrets or not want to express yourself. I just feel like it wouldn't work. And then it, like, your friends around you, it wouldn't. It wouldn't vibe. The energy wouldn't, like, circulate, you know?

[Nick]

No, that makes a lot of sense. Is there anyone of your cast that you feel like is just slightly different on camera or off? Or is everyone just like Ashley and Jared and yourself?

[Alicia]

I think on camera depends on the day. And I. I always say that, like, it depends on, like, what, like, subject we're talking about. Like, if it's Rula with her husband, she might be more guarded, you know, Or Kelsey with her. Really, everyone has their time that we're more guarded, you know, because sometimes it's really tough, especially if we have no idea about reality tv, like, how to, like, you know, do it, and you have to, like, talk about, like, all your deepest problem.

[Natalie Joy]

I feel like her next endeavor needs to be a reading the, like, bedtime stories. Nick, you did one. What are they called? Yeah, Call map. Yes. You need a call map, and you need to read a Cinderella story or you need to read some bedtime book, because I. Your accent is just.

[Host 2]

Just the best.

[Natalie Joy]

It's so good.

[Alicia]

You think so? Cause you know something? I never thought I had an accent until I heard myself on tv. And I actually had really bad anxiety about it.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, bad. Why? I think everyone loves it. It's, like, incredible. Like, every time we talk about Rhode island, everyone's like, oh, my God. And Alicia's accent.

[Alicia]

I know, but I'm like, how come

[Guest 2]

no one else is as bad?

[Alicia]

Like, Liz grew up here. I'm like, isn't like, hers is in Jo Ellen, you know, I think you

[Host 2]

all have them, but there's something special about you and your accent. I love it so much. It makes me so happy.

[Alicia]

Well, you heard my family, my aunt, they talk the same way, you know, so it's like that, that's all I know.

[Nick]

It's like the difference between a pizza with like a basic marinara sauce and a pizza with like a really good. Has really good flavor, you know, a little more spice. And I think your accent just has more, your accent has more flavor in a way that makes us go, it's not just another pizza.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Speaking of pizza, pizza chips. Yeah. Can you explain those a little bit more? You said people eat them on the beach, specifically. And I think I'm just curious about the specificity of eating them on a beach.

[Alicia]

Okay, so peaches. So by the way, on the show they went to the pizza strips, we did have the pizza chips, but that, they didn't show that. So I was like, oh, shit. But pizza chips, they're round, they're small, they're a little bit crispy, and it's like lightly tomato sauce. So it's very refreshing. It's unbelievable. Like, okay, I don't remember ever going to the beach as a kid without having pizza chips or like mini spinach pies.

[Nick]

So it's like, almost like a, almost like an open faced pizza roll.

[Alicia]

So it's not crunchy as a chip. It's like, it's just like, it's like a crispy toast almost.

[Guest 2]

That makes sense.

[Nick]

Is this, is the sauce warm or is it cold?

[Guest 2]

No.

[Host 2]

Ew.

[Alicia]

It's cold. You don't want to put in the oven. Like when people put in the oven. You're ruining it. It's refreshing.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay, okay.

[Guest 2]

Does that make sense?

[Alicia]

It's like very refreshing. A fruit salad to the beach, you know, it's like having like a cold drink. You're having like a cold pizza.

[Nick]

Gotcha. Without the cheese. Can we talk about your relationship for a second?

[Guest 2]

Sure, of course.

[Nick]

So you guys, you've been engaged for how long?

[Alicia]

Going on 10 years.

[Nick]

Okay, is that something that. Are you guys kind of just comfortable with your current relationship status or like I'm imagining. You probably get tired of this question and people ask it all the time. But is this by choice or, or would you prefer a different relationship status?

[Guest 2]

So I feel like we. It started off with like, okay, let me have my daughter first. Right, because you're pregnant. You're like, I don't feel like having, you know, a wedding after. I just have a baby. Like, I'm still, you know, bloated. You're hormonal. I didn't want to leave my child. And then I was like, I want my dream home. You know, Like, I'd rather have a home first for my daughter. So then we did that, and then it was Covid. So then. And then, like, it was just, like, one thing after the next. And then the whole prenup thing was like, you know, in between it, and I was just like, you know what? Fuck it. At this point, I. If you want me to do that, I'm just gonna. Just not marry you.

[Nick]

What's the prenup thing? So he.

[Guest 2]

He's an attorney. So Billy's also, you know, he owns a lot of restaurants, and he's an attorney. So it started off with, like, I will sign a prenup to his prior restaurants. Cause some of them, you know, he's got business partners with and with his family. Like, I am totally understand. I don't want to take that. But I also want to be taken care of if anything ever happened, you know, because I'm the mother of his daughter. And so with him being an attorney, it was like, okay, so you have to go to the lawyers and tell them what you want. So I was like, okay, you know, so I did that. I had to go back a few times. And he was like, well, there's still nothing here, So I don't know what this guy is expecting from you. He keeps, like, he was playing, like, a mind game with me. Does that make sense? Yeah.

[Nick]

Your fiance or your lawyer?

[Guest 2]

My fiance was like. They were like, well, there's nothing on the table except health insurance right now, so you have to say what you want. And that was like, the second time that I went. So I was like, okay. Like, he's. He knows I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm definitely not a lawyer. And I'm just going there with, like, I'll sign a prenup to your restaurant. But, like, this is like a mind game right now to me. So after that, I was like, screw it.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, that makes sense. But if you. Because, like, again, I feel like the basic prenup is more like, hey, all right. Before we met, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is yours. And then if we get married, we start accumulating wealth together. So money that we make as individuals, as a married couple is now ours instead of each other's. So, like, if. If you did that kind of, like, if that's the thing that you asked for, which is like, hey, I don't want to take anything that you've earned prior to us getting married. But like, if we are a married couple, then, like, we should share in the things that we make together. Like now that you're a housewife. You are.

[Alicia]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Like, little did he know though, right?

[Nick]

Like, you know, I imagine, like, things gonna be looking on the up and

[Natalie Joy]

up for you, you know, who want to be out asking him for a prenup.

[Nick]

Yeah. So. But like, why not? Because now you said, like, if something happens, like, if something happens now, aren't you also kind of left with nothing from his end?

[Guest 2]

100%. It's like all on just like faith right now. Faith and love, you know, that I'm like. And to be honest with you, it's kind of like embarrassing too. Like, I don't want to have to go back to the lawyers and not know what I'm talking about. It was like very. It was like. It was. It was like, hard. You know, he's like the best guy in the world, Billy. But when it comes to business and money and he is like, he's got that attorney in him, so.

[Nick]

Well, if we ever come to Rhode island and hang out with Ashley and Jared and I get a chance to meet Billy, can I ask him about it on your behalf?

[Guest 2]

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Nick]

Can I be like, why don't you? You know, she's a beautiful, wonderful person. Doesn't she deserve that financial security and support? Why don't you want to now she's a housewife. She's been, you know, you've been engaged her for 10 years. Like, like, I'm. I'm good at those awkward conversations. Alicia, I'm. I will have your back.

[Guest 2]

You actually sound like Jared right now.

[Susie]

I love it with your voice. Where does that leave you? With pizza mama?

[Guest 2]

Because.

[Host 2]

Yes. Serious about that.

[Susie]

Yeah. Like, wasn't it kind of like you

[Natalie Joy]

did a lot of the work on that. I know that he might own it,

[Susie]

but, like, I was a little confused in the episode when you guys were talking about it as to like, what your tied to it is or like, why he wouldn't give you. You half ownership of that.

[Guest 2]

Okay, so he owns a lot of restaurants. And so he was finally like, I'm gonna like, open up a small restaurant in Cranston. So I was like, oh, my God. Like, if you're gonna open up a cr. Like, like, let me help do this. Cause, like, this is where my entire family is. My grandfather owned a lot of bakeries and pizza restaurants in Cranston. So it was like, to make sense, like, let me do it. So I came up with the whole name, the theme, everything. And so again, he's got a business partner that actually like is the chef. And so he just didn't think about, you know, he's like, well, you live rent free.

[Susie]

So I burst your child.

[Natalie Joy]

I made this place gorgeous.

[Susie]

Put my name on the freaking lease.

[Guest 2]

I know.

[Susie]

That's another thing you need to talk to him about. Yeah, add that to the list.

[Nick]

Billy and I have to have some.

[Susie]

You guys have words?

[Nick]

Yeah, for sure. Oh yeah. You. You kind of slipped in there that you used to be a hairdresser. And I don't feel like that's not something anyone's really talking about. Can you speak? Like this is something you've done up until fairly recently.

[Guest 2]

So I was a hairstylist like, I mean for like 20 years. I just stopped working like a month before we started filming.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Guest 2]

So I'm like, I'm not really that much of a stay at home mom, you know, Like I. I cut down my hours a lot because of my daughter. But during filming I didn't have that cash flow. That's what I was talking about, the cash. Cause being a hairstylist you're getting cash a lot. Cause the tips.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest 2]

So I like, Billy, can I have money to get my nails done or. That's what I was saying. Like that's what was hard. Like this summer I'm like, I will never be a stay at home mom. I hate the fact. Cause I don't like going to the ATM and stuff like that. It's just, you know, like I just expected him to be more. I don't know. But like it's, you know, it's a learning process for both of us. I think by even him watching some of the episodes, he was like, I didn't even think that way, you know.

[Nick]

But any consideration to still maintaining the hairdresser gig? Because I gotta say, I feel like the salons is where all the tea goes down. And I feel like there's a lot of great gossip at the salons. And I for one would kind of love a scene where maybe some tea is spilled in the chair. In the chair. And that is the start of like a season long drama.

[Guest 2]

A hairstylist knows everyone's deepest, darkest secret. Seriously, it's like a bartender. That was why I loved my job. Because I felt like I loved learning through people. I loved my clients, loved them.

[Nick]

Are you done for sure or could we bring it back potentially?

[Guest 2]

I'm totally done. No, I'm done. 1,000%. I've done it. I was doing it since I was, like, 16 years old. I'm, like, 41. I'm all set.

[Host 2]

All right, fair enough.

[Susie]

Can I ask you about this past episode, Rosie? You had a really strong reaction to

[Alicia]

her

[Susie]

say that, not. Not relaying what you said correctly. And then I also think that that was the fastest makeup in a friendship I've ever seen. What was so triggering about Rosie and, like, where, like, how do you feel about her as a friend today?

[Guest 2]

Okay. So at that beach scene, I was also saying, which didn't make it on the show, like, how much I love Liz. Like, I understand how we all have to walk on eggshells with her. I was saying, she lost to her mom at a young age. I understand. Because of my father, we're cut from the same cloth, you know? So I was saying it like that. Right. And also, Rosie, no one liked Rosie, right? At first. I was the one that gave her a chance. Like, I was the one that was like, I like this girl, blah, blah, blah. And she became one of my, like, closest friends on the show. So when she threw me under the bus, I was like, I had your back for so long, and the second you could, you twisted my words, and you made me look like I was a snake. And that's why I lost my shit period. But I forgave her so quickly because I don't know if Rosie understands how, like, deep we go back. So I was like, you know what? I can't, like, because I do love her. It's like a little sister. I love Rosie, and she helps me out in other ways that the other girl.

[Alicia]

You know what I mean?

[Guest 2]

We just have, like, fun together and stuff. But that's why I forgave her, because I don't think she understood what she did, you know?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Curious about. So obviously in this past episode, a lot of stuff about, like, in the season in general, Rula and her husband are coming up. You said that Rula's husband Brian, cheated on his first wife with your Spanish teacher.

[Guest 2]

So Rula saw that episode and was like, alicia, he didn't cheat on his wife with me. I was like, okay, so I believe her, but I do love my Spanish teacher. She was actually, like, one of the best Spanish teachers ever. She was, like, the kindest woman.

[Host 2]

That was my follow up. How was she as a Spanish teacher?

[Guest 2]

Yeah. So sweet. Like, that's why. So sweet. I loved her.

[Nick]

When you say, okay, that doesn't sound like you actually believe her.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

What's going on there.

[Guest 2]

Okay, well, because, you know what? Like, there's so many different rumors, you know, so I've always heard that. But, you know, she said that it didn't happen. Didn't happen. So I believe her. I just think that she has a lot to face this season. And I just feel bad because even me, like, even watching it back, I didn't see everything as I'm seeing it on TV right now. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, it's. You know, it's tough.

[Nick]

What's some of the things that have been most surprising you to watch back that you didn't get to see? Well, tape.

[Guest 2]

Oh, you'll see. Yeah. You'll see. So some of it. Some of the proof that Joellen had, like, you know, like, a lot of the stuff. Yeah, you'll. You'll see.

[Host 2]

I do actually have a question about Jo Ellen. So you correct me if I'm wrong, but you were friends with Jo Ellen's sister in high school.

[Guest 2]

Jen was one of my closest friends in high school. I love her.

[Host 2]

So I've just seen some people online have been kind of. Of obviously having opinions about Jen and Gary's relationship, and I was just curious, like, what your thoughts on that? Cause they dated when they were in high school, right?

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Susie]

What's your thoughts on that? And what's the talk of the town about that?

[Guest 2]

Oh, my God, I'm so happy you asked me this, because let me clear the air for both of them. Jen and Gary are the biggest ball busters ever in this world. So I, like, Gary was one of my close. I've known him since, like, I was in kindergarten. So they might have hooked up. They've never dated. I think they hooked up. Like, Jen. Jo Ellen said that he might have touched her boobs or something. I almost died for that. But no, because we're so close with Gary. So she can play around and be like, I mean, we were in the same grave. We went to the same parties. Like, Gary's like a brother to her. And now the fact that he married her younger sister and now that she loves her nieces and nephews so much, it's. You know what I mean?

[Alicia]

It's.

[Guest 2]

They just joke around with it. He's, you know, they ball bus.

[Host 2]

Got it, got it, got it. Cool.

[Nick]

You may have touched her boobs.

[Guest 2]

I think she might want someone like Gary because Gary's such a great father. But no, no, no. Never. No.

[Natalie Joy]

Can you describe each of your cast

[Susie]

members with one word?

[Guest 2]

Yes. Do you want me to stop by Saying the name.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

Rosie. Bright. Ashley. Wholesome. Joellen. Detective. Funny. I give her two Rula. Rulala. Stoic. Oh, Liz. Boss.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Dolores. Like, iconic. Kelsey.

[Susie]

Kelsey.

[Guest 2]

Gorgeous.

[Host 2]

Yes. Yes. So the geography on Rhode Island I'm curious about. So Cranston and Providence are 15 minutes away.

[Guest 2]

15 minutes. Sometimes with traffic, it might be 25.

[Host 2]

Got it, got it, got it. So what's kind of the. It seems like there's a narrative between, like, Cranston and Providence. Of, like, Providence is nicer than Cranston in. Is that true?

[Guest 2]

I think that, like. Yeah. I mean, it depends to who. Yeah, I guess it's more like.

[Alicia]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Okay, so Liz has gone kind of viral online with, like, buddy is ma. And I was just wondering what some of your, like, favorite Rhode island slang terms are for our audience and for me so I can start using them.

[Guest 2]

Like, I love skeev. Like, do you ever hear of skeev? Like, I skeeved that girl. That's so skeevy. It's cute.

[Host 2]

Mm, that's great.

[Guest 2]

I don't know if you've heard that. Is that, like. Is that something you guys say?

[Nick]

No.

[Host 2]

No.

[Natalie Joy]

What does it mean?

[Host 2]

I'm gonna know.

[Guest 2]

Like, skeevy means, like, oh, she's so. All right. So you can use it in two different ways. It's like the number one word. You're gonna use it in every sentence. Like, I skeeved that girl. Meaning, like, she looks dirty or she's acting skeevy. Like, she's acting thirsty. But it could also be like, oh, how skeevy. Like, how cute she is. You could use it like that too.

[Host 2]

Oh, okay.

[Nick]

How confusing. I don't.

[Host 2]

It's all in the intonation.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Susie]

Hugging effect.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, but it'. Sentence. And it feels so good when you say it, Ski. Like, it's just like. Like when someone grosses you out, you're like, oh, I skeeve her. Ooh.

[Natalie Joy]

But then also, if you love her outfit, you're like, I skeeve her.

[Guest 2]

No, it has to be cute. Like, oh, look at, like, my dog, for instance, Thumbelina. I have a Chihuahua. And I'll be like, oh, she's so skeevy. Look at her with her bones.

[Nick]

So when you. When we. When we let you go and if we go, oh, my God, that Alicia, she's so skeevy. Is that a compliment?

[Guest 2]

Insulting.

[Nick]

That's insulting. Okay, so don't do that.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick]

I gotta be honest. It's very confusing.

[Guest 2]

People are obsessed with wicked. Like, wicked good. Oh, my God, that's wicked cool. It's wicked good. It's wicked good.

[Nick]

Are you, like, friends with Massachusetts and Boston or are you like, rivals with Massachusetts and Boston?

[Guest 2]

I'm friends. We're so close. It's like almost the same.

[Host 2]

I do think there's something special about Rhode island and from watching this show, it's like, there's this, like, tight knit aspect to it that just, it's beautiful.

[Guest 2]

You know, I feel like that's what makes it so, like, special is that we do know everything about each other. Like, I know everyone's aunts, uncles. Like, there's something that is so special about that and that's why it's so hard to leave. Cause it's like, why would I leave and go to a different state when I know everyone's background here? It's like a. It's a safety feeling. I feel safe, you know?

[Nick]

Final question before we have to let you go, Alicia, what do you think we in the audience have most to look forward to as the season unfolds?

[Guest 2]

I should say there's gonna be a lot of drama, a lot of making up. A lot of people like speaking from their hearts. And I just think a lot of growing up for all of us. We all grew up on the show.

[Nick]

Okay, Alicia, we really appreciate you taking the time. It's been so fun watching you these first few episodes of Rhode Island. We're excited to see where it goes, but really excited for your future as a housewife wife. Congratulations on the show being such a hit and we are really, really excited to see how everything goes this season. So thanks for taking the time, Alicia.

[Guest 2]

Thank you guys. So nice meeting you. Take care.

[Nick]

So nice meeting you. Hope to meet you in person soon. All right, take care.

[Natalie Joy]

Bye.

[Nick]

Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhode island and thank you all to listening. Don't forget to check out The Reunion Part 1 and Part 2 of Temptation island which is available now. So be sure to check it out. We will see you back on Thursday. Bye. Bye.

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