E1125 - RHORI's Rosie Reports The Drama, Did Jen Fessler & West Wilson Hook Up? & Dorit's Spending Problems

Summary

The Viall Files – E1125: RHORI's Rosie Reports The Drama, Did Jen Fessler & West Wilson Hook Up? & Dorit's Spending Problems
Date: May 12, 2026
Host: Nick Viall (w/ Natalie Joy and the Household)

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this Reality Recap edition, Nick Viall and co-hosts Natalie Joy and the Household break down the week’s wildest reality TV and pop culture headlines. The spotlight of this episode is a deep-dive interview with Rosie from Real Housewives of Rhode Island (RHORI), exploring cast drama, truths and rumors. Also in focus: the explosive Jen Fessler and West Wilson "hook up" allegation, Sierra’s ongoing Summer House stan wars, and a forensic analysis of Dorit’s reported spending spree on RHOBH. The group also recaps fan fallout on Beyond the Villa, Bravo’s shifting fan cultures, and more, all with their signature humor, hot takes, and relationship wisdom.

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SEGMENT BREAKDOWN & HIGHLIGHTS

1. Real Life Chaos & Mother’s Day Catch-Up

Timestamps: 02:58 – 14:08

• The Household shares personal weekend stories: Nick’s thoughtful (if over-communicated) Mother’s Day gift journey, Natalie’s cat-mom drama, River’s adorable cookie theft, and classic toddler F-bomb tales.
  • Quote (Nick, 04:06): “She’s providing me with tools… When we got married, she told me what she wanted…She also has a wish list for gifts. My love language is not gifts. It is a painful experience inside my body.”
• The group riffs on modern parenting, hiding snacks, and kids’ obsession with “6, 9” (“the artist” joke).
• Memorable moment (13:30): Nick recalls his daughter yelling “fuck, fuck, fuck” at the airport after overhearing him.

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2. SUMMER HOUSE SCANDAL: The Fessler & West Wilson Hook-Up Rumor

Timestamps: 14:09 – 41:24

Social Media Firestorm

• Nick recaps the wild scene: “The summer house scandal does not die…we have Sierra in the comments accusing Jen Fessler of sleeping with Wes Wilson. I don’t know what’s going on. It’s crazy.” (14:09)
• Quote (Nick, on West): “He’s a very good DJ…It was all vibes.” (15:06)

The Allegation Breakdown

• Jen Fessler, asked about West, calls him “the cutest, sweetest, golden retriever puppy dog. He does not mean any harm…” (16:35)
• Sierra fires back on Threads, suggesting Jen and West hooked up. The rumor spreads rapidly; Jen fires off a denial and threatens legal (libel) action.
  • Jen’s post: “It’s flattering that anyone would think someone who’s loved with Sierra Miller would be interested in sleeping with me…It’s not nice, nor is it okay…” (18:08)
  • Panel note: Jen’s husband is a lawyer; the libel talk is real.

The Panel’s Analysis

• Natalie: “We didn’t need to know that they allegedly may or may not probably did not have sex…like, we didn’t need to have Sierra join the chat.” (23:30)
• Nick explores why seeing your ex’s “unbothered” image is so triggering: “When the person that broke you is demonstrating indifference… you just want everyone to fucking hate this person.” (20:49)
• They debate whether Sierra’s public shade serves any purpose, or just empowers “Stan culture” that sensationalizes pain and drama:
  • Quote (Nick, 27:58): “Stan culture does not look out for you. They don’t have your best interest in mind. They just want to watch the world burn…”
  • (D, 28:46): “Sometimes I get very excited by the drama… but I do have to remember these are real people and not just characters on my TV screen.”
• Takeaway: “Sierra’s won – she needs to focus on celebrating her success and stop giving that energy to West Wilson.” (32:12)

Memorable Quotes:

• “It’s just, I wish she would, you know, enjoy these successes and move on because…I feel like… in-between all these amazing successes that she is having, she is not allowing herself to enjoy them because she is still worried about what Jen Fessler has to say.” — Nick, 27:23
• “Sometimes it just gossiping with… needs to stay on Close Friends.” — D, 33:55

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3. Bravo Recap: Dorit’s Spending, Beverly Hills Drama, and the Lines Between Show & Reality

Timestamps: 45:56 – 56:24

• PK accuses Dorit of blowing through nearly $1M in four months on luxury brands (47:32).
• Group skeptical of narratives: “I do not think she actually said, ‘I’m sorry.’” (46:48)
• Andy Cohen’s “Master of Culture” award and in-person event stories.
• The cast (esp. Kyle) navigates the line between TV plot and real-world boundaries.
  • Quote (Nick, 51:39): “Kyle’s done an excellent job of balancing that and still having those boundaries, and a lot of people on these shows don’t. Tarit seems to be a perfect example of lost in the sauce.”
• “Pure delusion” is praised as great TV (“Thank you, Dorit!”), but the panel predicts friend-group alliances may shift next season.

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4. Beyond the Villa & Stan Culture: When Fandom Goes Too Far

Timestamps: 56:51 – 64:24

• Zach joins for a “Beyond the Villa” update: mean girl cliques, online unfollow campaigns, and Pepe’s contested narrative.
• The hosts observe that toxic online behavior is driving reality contestant engagement downward:
  • Nick (63:29): “At some point when you have this entire cast being like, yeah, we did it, but… it wasn’t fucking worth it…We need to chill the fuck out online.”
• The rise of “performative” vs. “authentic” alliances, and how fandoms weaponize social media.
• Nick marvels at Ali from “Perfect Match,” highlighting how experienced cast members shine on crossover shows (64:38).

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5. Rosie's Tell-All: REAL HOUSEWIVES OF RHODE ISLAND

Timestamps: 69:17 – 110:13

Rosie on Joining RHORI

• “Who saw this coming? I feel like people underestimated us… Rhode Island?!” (69:42)
• Describes early cast insecurity, reality TV producer mind games: “I come from a news world… you listen… Now I’m learning it was like a scare tactic.” (70:29)

Drama With Kelsey & Group Alliances

• Rosie details ongoing conflict with Kelsey, rooted in layers of personal attacks, professional accusations, and a “projection” dynamic:

  • “At the end of day, I have a real husband and a real marriage…she has a lot of things she’s not telling the truth about.” (72:53)
  • On the “haircut/Instagram post” dispute: “She had had [her cutter’s certificate] for 24 hours… I went for a haircut just to hang out… I paid her. She was like 'you don’t have to pay me.'” (75:03)
  • “She told me my husband was gay, I was mentally ill, or lying about infertility…by this point, I was very much like, you’re just looking for a reason to have a problem with me.” (75:39)

• Rosie accuses Kelsey of “projection” and hiding details about her own relationships and living situation; she suggests the conflicts are a smoke screen for Kelsey’s uncertainty about her public story (79:25–83:05).

  • Quote: “Which I actually learned about last year. Projection.”

Friendship Factions & Pact Theories

• Rosie suggests some cast members had a pre-filming “pact” to always back each other, making confrontations more about alliances than real issues.
  • “A lot of the times it did feel like three against one… I think you’ll see that unravel as the season goes on.” (85:34–85:49)

Cheating Allegations, News Background & Real-Life Marital Talks

• Rosie addresses wild rumors (affair with a basketball coach, sleeping with a “higher up”), stating she has documented proof at the reunion. (96:33–98:19)
• Explains how news ethics shaped her approach: “I will never say anything I can’t prove…that’s not the case on these shows!” (100:59)

The Pressure of RH-World & Cast Outlook

• On her husband’s support: “He is, like, on Twitter like you wouldn’t believe, reading everything…He loves all that stuff.” (98:46)
• Acknowledges group therapy helped her adapt, and she’s ready for the reunion with receipts.
  • “They’re going to still tell me that I’m a liar…but I just have to do it for myself.” (104:20)
• Rosie is hopeful but realistic about changing alliances, and open to returning: “If I don’t want to come back, then I won’t. I’ll go back to my nice life.” (107:59)
• Promotes her DJ gig at Out Loud Music Festival and her general love for being silly and authentic.

Notable Rosie Quotes

• “It was crazy. I feel like people underestimated us by a lot.” (69:42)
• “I can be sassy with the best of them…but I’ve never accused someone of anything I can’t prove.” (103:38)
• “I think it’s important that you gotta marry your best friend. And, like, sometimes your best friend annoys you. And that’s okay.” (74:36)
• “I have a lot of therapy. Okay, well, you need it here.” (108:03)

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NOTABLE MOMENTS & QUOTES (w/ TIMESTAMPS)

• On Sierra’s Summer House Scandal Participation:
  “What Sierra did, we’ve all done on some version. Maybe not to this scale, but the scale doesn’t really matter.” (Nick, 35:33)

• On Stan Culture:
  “Stan culture does not look out for you…It does not have your best interest in mind. They just want to watch the world burn...” (Nick, 39:08)

• Dorit’s Spending Overload:
  “She is in the sauce and I am not liking the taste…When she apologized to Sutton and then Sutton goes, ‘okay,’ and she goes, ‘you bought that?’ I was like, what? So that was not a genuine apology.” (46:17)

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EPISODE CONCLUSION

The episode closes with Rosie’s optimistic take on her future with the Real Housewives franchise, a plug for her DJ gig, and warm encouragement from Nick and the team to keep bringing her authentic, slightly sarcastic, and always-receipt-ready self to reality TV.

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For Listeners:

Whether you’re a Bravo diehard, Summer House stan, RHORI convert, or just messy-reality curious, this episode is packed with insider tea, sharp psychological takes, and a few heartfelt reminders about keeping it real on and offline.

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Next up: Rosie’s full-story on RHORI, coming reunions, more Perfect Match guests, and the usual blend of relationship advice and hot pop culture takes on The Viall Files.

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[C]

Then one episode and then I watched this episode.

[A]

I'm like, what the fuck? Like the way the. I don't know, maybe it's tv. Maybe it's editing. I don't know. But the way Luke and Danny act like childcare is something that's foreign to them or it's, like, not their main responsibility or like, to. It's like they're giving, like, 1980s dad.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's really bizarre. I don't know. We'll get into it more on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, but the valley's heating up. I'm excited about it. Anyways, we also get into all of this on Vile Files. Plus, we are getting into the weeds on Vile Files. Plus, you also have your pop extra and your update special. All your favorite updates from your favorite ass Nick callers, all available on Vile Files Plus. So just go to vilefiles.com to sign up. You will be glad that you did.

[E]

You're crazy.

[A]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my lovely wife, amazing mother of my daughter. Daughters. Daughter. Soon to be daughters.

[B]

Daughters.

[A]

I can't talk. It's Monday morning, everybody. I hope you had a wonderful weekend. A wonderful Mother's Day for all the mothers out there. I hope it was wonderful and joyous and special and unique. I hope it was for you. My wife, she got a bag.

[D]

You got a bag?

[B]

I did. I got a calamang.

[A]

Well, Natalie's looking it up. I just want to give a thank you to my wife because, and this is like, really just a shout out to all the ladies out there if you want to make, I think, a key to our relationship. One of the many keys is that Nally makes it easy for me to be successful. Like, when we got engaged, you know, it was, like, leading up to engagement, she made it very clear what she was looking for in a ring and enough time that allowed me to do my thing. And it still felt special for her because, like, we didn't go ring shopping together. We didn't pick it out together.

[D]

But she's giving you. She's providing you with the tools.

[A]

She's providing me with tools, shape and color, all the necessary details. When we got married, you know, when for the engagement party, she told me what she wanted. She gave me the beats so I could be successful. She also has a wish list for gifts. My love language is not gifts. It's just not. I feel nothing from receiving them. I enjoy making my wife happy, but it is a painful experience inside my body. But she knows this and she makes it easy for me because her love language is, in fact, gifts.

[D]

You're so kind.

[A]

It brightens her day. Now, if you are one of these people who makes your husband successful by giving them successful notes, let them be successful. I am in New York at the. For the Vulture event, and I had a little bit of free time, and I had said list, and Mother's Day was coming up, and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna use my free time during this day to shop for my wife.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

Exactly.

[D]

Smart cookie right there.

[A]

We also share each other's locations because, you know, not because we don't, you know, we're keeping an eye on each other, but sometimes we just need to.

[D]

It's cute to see we have a kid together.

[A]

It's just nice to know that we're safe.

[B]

If I'm dead on a ditch, he needs to know what Ditch needs to

[D]

know which highway it's off.

[A]

We need to know. And so I also got a haircut. Not the haircut you're looking at right now, if you're watching. I buzzed that last night, but I got a little trim for the Vulture event because I thought, you know, I was looking. I was doing plus, and the hair was getting out of control.

[B]

And I am going to interrupt here, because I feel like now this story needs to come from my pov.

[D]

Yes. Okay.

[B]

So for my pov, I am sitting at home with river, and I'm like, okay.

[E]

He's like.

[B]

I look at my wish list, and I'm like, I know he's probably going to go off this. And I'm. It's a Kalmier bag. Which is, like, kind of a random brand, you know, I'm like, do they even have any stores? Like, I wonder. And I found. Oh, they have two stores in New York. One Upper east side, one, like, very downtown SoHo. And Nick was staying in Meatpacking. So I'm like, I don't really want to, like, have to ask them to. It's like, you know, get on a train. I don't know how much time he has. Like, that feels like a lot, you know? So I didn't say anything, and then I text him, like, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm getting a haircut. And I was like, oh, okay. Cute. And I like, you know, check his location, see where he's getting a haircut.

[D]

What?

[A]

Burrow.

[B]

Oh, he's literally on the street, Orchard street that the store was on. And I'm like, oh, my God, it's.

[D]

He did it.

[B]

Literally across the street from this store. Like, so I call him like, hey, do you happen to be on Orchard Street?

[E]

He's like, yeah.

[B]

And I'm like, okay, there's this store, it's called Kalmier. I don't know. Like, I think it's across the street from where you're getting your haircut. Like, if you look at the wish list, there's a blue bag that's. That's on there from this store. And he's like, natalie, I don't need your help. And I'm like, oh. Oh, got it.

[C]

By the way, Nick, this is where you say, no, my phone was stolen. I'm trying to find it. I don't know how I'm answering your call right now, actually.

[A]

I'm literally sitting outside of said store because the person working at the store took a bit of a lunch break. They put a note, said, I'll be back, and I don't know how long.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you've heard the phrase, you lead a horse to water, you don't need to, like, force feed.

[D]

Yeah. When the face is already at the

[A]

trough, just let him drink the water.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you've done your part. You know, you've done it.

[B]

I thought I. I thought it just was serendipitous that he happened to have been getting a haircut on the same street in the store.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, oh, my God, don't move, because this could be where

[C]

you get the gifts.

[E]

You.

[D]

Nick, that's when you should have been like, stores closed down, Google Maps doing its thing again. I don't know. That sucks for you. And then you show up with the bag.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Why do. Why do moms need to be overachievers? Let's just leave it at that.

[B]

Oh, we are.

[D]

You are. You're always gonna do the work. Do you guys. As a mother of a cat, do you guys wanna hear about my Mother's Day?

[A]

Yeah. So.

[D]

So my Mother's Day goes like this. So Saturday night, I go out with one of my. One of my besties, and we go out, get a little drunk. Not super, super drunk, but drunk enough that I was feeling silly, goofy. I end up going home. It's fine. I had eaten a bit of ice cream before I had gone to bed, and I was a bit sleepy and drunk maybe. I did not put away the ice cream. I closed the lid.

[A]

You gave your cat ice cream?

[D]

Nope. I did not give it to him. I closed the lid. I fell asleep at like, 2:30.

[B]

Not to interrupt, but then it's like melted. And then you can't eat it again.

[D]

Well, again, it wasn't like I intentionally had. It wasn't intentional on my part. It was. I was a little bit tipsy.

[B]

You weren't thinking future me Might want another bite of this.

[D]

No.

[B]

So I'll put it back in the freeze.

[D]

There was no future me in my brain. It was only. I'm gonna go to sleep right now. So I go to sleep, and then I am awoken at about 6:45am by my cat, George Michael, jumping on my chest and then going to the corner of my bed where there is a jacket and. And throwing up on said jacket. And I was like, ew. And then I. It smells disgusting in my room. I look around, he's had diarrhea. And I was like, oh, my God, what's going on? This is not normal George Michael behavior. And so then I, like, get on the phone, I call my mom, and I had sent her flowers and a 12 pack of diet Coke for Mother's Day. And she was like, I got it.

[E]

I can't believe you're up so early.

[D]

And I was like, yeah, Happy Mother's Day. I love you. I think I have to take George Michael to urgent care because he might have gotten into some ice cream. And so then I take him to urgent care. And then they were like, he's fine, but you have to pay us like, 300.

[C]

I was gonna say pet. Urgent care is.

[D]

Yeah. So PCA babes. I lost $300 and my entire morning because I had to stay there for four hours because there were pets that were actually having an emergency on Mother's Day. And then I was like, this is what it is to be a mother sometimes.

[C]

Texted you happy Mother's Day, Justin.

[D]

Also, I'm at urgent care. I get a text from Justin that says, happy Mother's Day. How does. You are such a great pet parent to George Michael as I'm like, fuck, I'm the worst. But I do think that is what is.

[B]

Well, at least you took me to the vet.

[D]

I did, and he was fine.

[B]

Well, speaking of desserts, river, while Nick was gone, I obviously slept with River. She slept in my bed, our bed. And she wakes up at the ass crack of dawn and she's like, mom, I want a snack. And I'm like, okay, what do you want, a pouch or something? And she's like, no, I want a snack. And I'm like, all right, go get a granola bar and bring it back here and I'll open it up.

[E]

For you.

[B]

She's like, okay. Hops off the bed, goes out the room, shuts the door behind her. Of course, she's. She shuts doors behind her. She's very respectful like that.

[D]

That's really cool.

[B]

And so I'm, like, kind of waiting. I'm, like, kind of taking her a minute. Like, wonder what she's doing. So I'm like, let me sneak out there and spy on her, you know?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So I got there very quietly, tiptoe, tiptoe, tiptoe. The pantry. Like, doors are. Cabinet doors are open. So I know, obviously, she's rummaging. She got her snack. Nowhere to be found. I'm like, oh, my God. Literally nowhere. I'm like, is she in a room? I go back into her room. Not in a room. I look in her closet. Not in her closet. I'm like, okay.

[D]

Actually, like, is she.

[B]

That's kind of crazy.

[D]

Does she disappear often?

[B]

So I. Yeah, sometimes she does. Like, to hide.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I'm like, okay, she's gotta be hiding from me, Right? So then I'm, like, really listening. I'm, like, looking behind things, and then I start to hear some smacking. And I'm like, okay, I'll follow the smacking. So I go, mm. So I go around. She's behind the curtain. Okay. So I peek behind the curtain. She's got a bag of cookies, and she is, like, looking out the window,

[E]

just, like, shoving the cookies in the mouth.

[C]

That's really cute, actually.

[B]

And I go, river. And she ducks. She, like, ducks behind the curtain to, like, hide herself. And I'm like, what are you doing?

[D]

Nothing.

[B]

Granted, she had left the box of cookies in the pantry and just took the bag out. Just took the bag out.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

No, she's smart.

[B]

She's smart. So then I'm like. I go around, and I'm like, what are you doing behind there? And when she realized I wasn't mad, she, like. We started laughing. And I was like, how many cookies did you eat?

[D]

She's like, two. She ate more than two.

[B]

She ate more than two. But I did ask her several times throughout the day.

[A]

Yeah, stuck to her story.

[B]

She stuck to her story.

[D]

Two.

[B]

She kept with two. But so funny.

[D]

Is she good at counting?

[A]

She goes, one, two, four, nine.

[B]

One, two, six, nine, four.

[D]

So she probably ate six.

[A]

She's consistent with one, two, six, nine, four.

[B]

You know how, like, kids are obsessed with six, seven. She's obsessed with six, nine. And she says it all the time.

[C]

The artist.

[B]

Or she'll pick up her little phone number 6, 9, 6, 9.

[D]

Cool.

[A]

Oh, I didn't tell you guys this story. We. I. I was flying. When I flew with river to the lake, I was also with my dad, and we were running a little late, and he doesn't have TSA PreCheck. And River, I do, because we're fancy like that. And so we got separated, and we were boarding, and I got on the phone and I'm like, dad, where the fuck are you? You know? And River, I'm holding her, and then she gets on her fake phone, and by phone, she just, like, mimics being on a phone. And we're in the airport, and she's like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Screaming the F word. And I'm like, oh, my God, please stop. For the first. She. You know. So river is. Yeah.

[C]

And she heard that from who?

[A]

Me? Because I was literally on the phone. I'm like, where the fuck are you? And then she immediately goes like this with, like, her hand, and she's screaming in the middle of the airport, and everyone's, like, looking at me, and I'm like, please stop. Please stop. Anyways, so I have to, like, start watching my Very Dirty potty.

[D]

She's getting to that age.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. She's gonna start repeating things.

[A]

No, she is. She's past that. She. She is doing that.

[D]

And it is crazy that they always, like, they don't know that the curse words are bad, but then those are the ones that they're gonna latch on to.

[A]

Thank God she hasn't said that recently.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Since then.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

We have a wild and wacky episode lined up for you today. Rosie from Real Housewives of Rhode island is with us. Super excited to talk with her. Obviously, another great episode has launched. These women are giving. It's wonderful. Really excited to get to know and talk to Rosie about her joining the Housewives cast. Obviously, the drama that's going on and unfolding before our eyes on the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. So super excited to talk with Rosie. But before we get to Rosie, there is so much unpack over the weekend. The summer house scandal does not die. We have Sierra in the comments accusing Jen Fessler of sleeping with Wes Wilson. I don't know what's going on. It's crazy. I met Jen Fessler at the Vulture Party, man. I also met kj. I met Mia. I met Dara. Many of the cast of Summerhouse joined in Support of Kyle DJing. I got to watch Kyle DJ. I finally met Kyle in person.

[D]

How was that?

[A]

He's a very good dj, what was it?

[D]

What was your favorite tracks? He was spinning.

[A]

I don't know. I was just. I was all vibes.

[B]

Madonna.

[A]

It was all vibes. He didn't play Madonna, unfortunately. I.

[D]

That's actually messed up.

[B]

There was a clip of Andy, like when he. I guess him and Kathy are like accepting an award or something and he turns to Kyle and says something and everyone's like, why are you yelling at Kyle? Like, he's been through enough already. And Andy was like, I was requesting a Madonna song.

[D]

Also, Kyle's not a baby.

[A]

The way that Kyle is getting this ultra sympathy is wackadoo. It is. I mean, again, I've really enjoyed getting to know him. I, you know, can't speak for the way he has spoken to his soon to be ex wife, but I've enjoyed getting to know him and I think there is more behind the surface than we get to see on tv. That being said, it was.

[C]

I'm giggling that Natalie said some award. As if Andy didn't get the Master of Culture award.

[B]

Oh, Master of Culture award.

[D]

Master of Culture award.

[B]

With some respect on his name. My bad.

[D]

Vulture gave Andy the Master of Culture award. Yeah, okay.

[E]

Well, I did.

[B]

All I saw was holding something and then turning and being like.

[A]

Well, it was just really fascinating because I met Jen Fessler and she was lovely and very nice and very sweet. One of my favorites and very affectionate and not. And it was just kind of fascinating because at this said vault, I believe it was the Vulture event red carpet in which Margaret, who I also met, and Jen Fessler were doing press together. And obviously, like every Bravo celebrity doing press right now is being asked about the summer house scandal or whatever you want to talk about.

[D]

Jen Fessler was asked by Page Six about the summer scandal that night and said this about West. West is the cutest, sweetest, golden retriever puppy dog. He does not mean any harm. He didn't mean it. He's just trying to have a good time. He doesn't want to hurt anyone.

[E]

Give him a break.

[B]

She did start with I love Sierra. I love Sierra. I met. She was like, I met her on. I don't know. She said she did acknowledge Sierra in her response.

[D]

Yeah, the.

[A]

Apparently Sierra sat behind Jen Fessler on the way back from BravoCon. I only know this because Jen told

[D]

me, oh, he's got tea.

[A]

But yeah, she led with something nice. And apparently this did not land with Ciara.

[D]

Here's the thing. This all went down on threads because apparently that's where we are as a society. Now sure is that things are going down on Threads. So basically the thread.

[C]

Someone quoted what she said.

[D]

Someone quoted what she said on threads, and it just had the west is the cutest, sweetest, golden retriever puppy dog thing. And then Sierra went on threads and

[B]

responded with, I am shocked that she is on Threads. Scrolling.

[D]

We're all scrolling at the end of

[B]

the day on Threads.

[D]

Sometimes Twitter is assessed.

[C]

I refuse to download that. Every single time I click on it, thinking it's a post. And it's like, download threads.

[D]

And I'm like, I'm not. I'm really not. I'm still in the trenches of Twitter with the rest of the smoker section of the world. But Threads is obviously providing some enjoyment to me now with this drama.

[C]

When Sierra jumped into Threads, she shook the world.

[D]

She said, lol, because they slept.

[A]

The Threads team at Facebook was lighting up be like, hey, we got some activity. We're popping.

[D]

Yeah, this is what. What was. What was the big thing on Twitter that bumped Twitter? This is what that is for Threads. Anyway, so Jen Fessler denied that she slept with Wes, saying it's flattering that anyone would think someone who's loved with Sierra Miller would be interested in sleeping with me. In all seriousness, and why, I can't help but be a little flattered. It's not nice, nor is it okay to post something categorically untrue and defamatory on social media, regardless of whatever rumors or apparent evidence led you to that conclusion. That is the definition of libel. If it were true, I would have no recourse because it's a lie. This can get more complicated. Having said that, I hope we can rectify this. It's enough now.

[B]

I mean, isn't her husband, like, a lawyer?

[D]

Yes, she is married with a child.

[C]

Corporate practice group.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

He has a legal background.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

So her husband's sitting there being like,

[D]

babe, she can't say that if she can't say that.

[C]

Also, Sierra left a couple comments before Jen responded on Threads.

[A]

No, she was. Yeah.

[C]

Which wasn't one. There was a couple more. She was. She's basically poking fun and alluding to. Yes, this is true.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Someone said like, oh, I thought she was married. And Sierra responded with like, yeah, I thought so too.

[A]

Or something.

[B]

Like, got a type or something along those lines. Yeah.

[A]

To be the voice.

[D]

She posted a little gymnastics girl doing a voice.

[A]

A reason here, but, like. And I know we're all. We're all deeply in support of Sierra. We are happy of the success that she is experiencing. Right now, we literally cannot keep up with the opportunities and great moments Sierra is experiencing right now. We woke up this morning knowing that Sierra is now co hosting after sun with hello Teffy, who also saw the culture event, which we're super excited and wonderful iconic opportunity for Love island, if anyone is for Love Island. So much amazing things going on, and it's just like, listen, I. Am I the only one who, like, it has to say, like, it doesn't matter if this rumor is true.

[D]

I know.

[A]

And it's just more like. And I also want to say, like, I empathize with Sierra because, listen, if you are in Sierra's position and you are trying to get over someone and someone hurt you and broke you, there's nothing more difficult trying to get over someone than that. Not. Okay, first of all, one, they didn't pick you. Fine. That hurts. Now they're dating your friend. That hurts even more right in your face. It's in your circle. And then on top of it, the most difficult thing for anyone to move on is when the person. Because you're feeling that pain, right? You feel that pain. You've met, like, you know. And again, that pain is based off of, like, all these things of feeling silly or, like, thinking about all the promises you made. And I know Wes and Sierra never technically dated, but there was clearly a bond that they shared. They had a lot of conversations, and when that ends, that is painful to experience. And when you see the other side, West Wilson, seemingly, because, like, everywhere we go, like, tmz, every day, every hour, on the hour, it's like monitoring the situation of Wes Wilson, like, roaming New York or the world. And anytime he, like, like, is remotely close to a female, someone's taking a picture, selling it to tmz, the wedding

[D]

stuff, whatever they're doing with West Wilson, what they should have done with Don Draper.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway. But the point is, is that west is giving the appearance of unbothered. Whether he is suffering behind the scenes or not. And I doubt he is suffering all that much, but he is giving the appearance of unbothered, and that hurts. When the person that broke you is demonstrating indifference, there's that part of you that wants the world to know this is not like a. This isn't a good guy. You know? Like, and the idea that, you know. And so it makes sense. It makes sense that when Jen Fesser is out there, be like, you know what? I love him. He's a golden retriever. Don't hate on him. I imagine that is upsetting. It would Be upsetting to me. I have. We've all been cyr in that position where you just, you just want everyone to fucking hate this person because this person hurt you, hurt you at your core. And it's just like. And I, I totally get it, but, like, it's what, what she's doing now is like, it's like, it's his unbotheredness that is so upsetting to Ciara that I get why it's triggering. But at this point, like, it doesn't even matter if it's true. Like, now we're getting into the, the weeds of true or not. Like, why are you, like, why are you bringing another family into this? I don't know what Jen Fessler and her husband's situation is. Maybe she fucked him. Maybe they had a gang bang. Maybe they had a threesome. I don't fucking know. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's untrue. There's this video going around of Jen and Wes seemingly drunk, eating pizza, looking very close and very flirty. Jen told us that her husband took that video.

[D]

That changes the layer of the dynamic.

[A]

I don't know, maybe. Who really knows? But the point is, it's just like, at this point, why, like, we're reaching. You're reaching the, like, you won, Sierra. It's over. You won. Everyone knows that.

[C]

She's still winning.

[A]

Yeah, it's. Oh, no, you won. And at this point, like, again, I don't think anyone, like, this is not going to hurt Sierra, but at some point it's going to get to the point where it's just like, just, you got to move forward. And again, let's just count through all the amazing successes that she's met. Gala. She is in a Old Navy commercial. It's not just like some teeth whitening campaign. This is like an amazing Old Navy commercial that like, usually is reserved for, like, again, a list stars. You know, I know Rob's on it and he's got a big moment. She, he's sharing. It's. It's incredible. She's also on Dancing with the Star. She's now the host of After Sun. She's only to get more opportunities, as she said should. And we're so happy for her. Just like, let it go.

[B]

I honestly feel like she didn't need to say anything. Like, I, I am sure that hearing Jen's comments was like, super fucking annoying. Like, it. You're like, you know, you're like, shut the hell. Yeah. You're like, he's not, you know, he didn't hurt anyone.

[E]

Really.

[B]

You know, he didn't mean it like, he fucked.

[D]

Yeah. And you probably fucked him.

[B]

Nobody. Nobody who listened to that interview or read that quote was like, you've changed, right, Jen Pessler. Like, I'm going to stop hating on West. Like, we didn't need to know that they allegedly may or may not probably did not have sex. Like, we didn't need to know that we didn't need to have Sierra join the chat. We all were like, jen, shake my head, rolling my eyes. Like, no, absolutely not. You're silly.

[A]

Yeah, it's just.

[C]

It's Jen Fessler, too. Like, I screamed out loud when I saw that. Because, like, Jen Fessler is the one that's never been problematic that we all love. And she's like, presents to be this, like, healthy wife and mother on New Jersey. Like, she was the normalizing person on Jersey.

[A]

And again, like, I don't know, whatever they did or didn't do. Like, and not to be all, like, the. Not to be the adult in the room or whatever. But, like, Jen does have a family. She has kids and like, other people. Like, maybe Jen signed up for this whole drama and how this. How this Bravo world works where you just, like, spread tea about each other. But, like, I don't know, like, Jen's not even on New Jersey Housewives anymore. Like, she's. She's doing her thing.

[C]

Like, why are you now?

[A]

I just like it there is, like, listen, under any other circumstance, I'm confident saying that Sierra would not have shared that information. Right. Like, she just wouldn't, like, if this situation wasn't going on. And usually when we make decisions like that where in any other circumstance, we wouldn't do something as time passes. Like, listen, if someone that I cared about, a friend, my daughters, as they get older and they start dating, you know, if they were hurt in the way Sierra was hurt by someone and I was, you know, wanted to be there for them and they were seemingly moving on and then they went to the comments like Ciara did. Yeah. I would reach out to my daughter or my friend and say, listen, I get it. They fucking suck. I understand it's painful, but like, hey, like, this is not. This is not. You're gonna. When. Whenever Sierra heals from this pain, you know, and that's okay that she hasn't because, like, people will heal on their own time. Fuck. It took me way, you know, when I was going through shit like this, it took me much longer than it should. So, like, there's no judgment. There But I would reach out to that friend and then just say, listen, this is not. You're not helping yourself. And when you heal, whenever Sierra is truly over it, when she looks at west and just sees him for who he is and the feelings are gone, there is just no world in which she won't wish she didn't do that. She just won't. And I think we always have to remember because right now it's like Stan culture. And now everyone, all the fans, all the Bravo fans are like, I'm loving Sierra and her, like, burn it to the ground era. It's like, it's giving, like, you know, like, I just want to watch the world burn because, you know, the hurt people hurt people. She's hurting right now, but it's like, it doesn't serve you in the long run and it just, it brings you down to that person's level. And now you have fans being like, oh, I love this. And I think it's just really important to remember that whether your friends will always show up for your pain more than they show up for your success. It's just easier. And it's not a rip on your friends. It's just like, listen, when you have something good going on in your life, your friends want to hear about it, but there's always a limit there. It's like, okay, yeah, congrats. You know what? Good for you. Like, there's a point where you want to be humble and, you know, but when you're hurting your friends, like, there's no comparison. There's no, like, hey, I'm really happy for you, but do I have that going on in my life and things like that. And your fans are the same way. They're always going to show up for your pain more than their success. They're projecting their own bullshit onto you. They're living through Ciara because, like, someone who wronged them wasn't held accounted for the way west was held accounted for. But they don't have Sierra's best interest in mind and they're just egging her on and egging her on and it's just like, I know it's fun for all of us. I know we're like, following the story, but at some point, like, it's, It's. It's just not good for her heart, you know, And I just, you know, I just, I wish she would, you know, enjoy these successes and move on because I just, I feel like. And again, she will move on at her own pace. But in the meantime, before she is Ready. I just wish she wouldn't go back to that toxicity that kept her in that space for so long because she's still giving so much of her energy to West Wilson, which is the thing that we all do when we're going through this. And it's just like in between all these amazing successes that she is having, she is not allowing herself to enjoy these successes because she is still worried about what Jen Fessler has to say. About what. Who gives? No offense to Jen Fessler. We love that Jen Festler, but who gives a shit if she's tight with Wes Wilson, you know?

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

And I don't disagree with anything you guys are saying. I do think it's unfortunate that Jen Fessler and her family and whatever are getting pulled into Summer House stuff, no matter how good the tea is. Because I do. I do think it's important for me, especially sometimes I get very excited by the drama. And I do have to remember these are real people and not just characters on my TV screen. So in that sense.

[B]

And that's a reminder for everybody.

[D]

That's a reminder for everyone. Hey, these girls are real. Okay? Watch it. But, yeah, I think in my to play, maybe devil's advocate for Sierra doesn't need one. You say she doesn't need one.

[B]

I said he doesn't need one.

[D]

Oh, he doesn't need the devil. The devil doesn't need an advocate.

[A]

But please.

[E]

Anyway.

[D]

But I'll advocate for him on behalf of Sierra Miller. So I. I just think that sometimes when you're in that space where you're going through all of these emotions with whatever relationship you are that's ending. I also think Sierra is in a space where she can't necessarily move on quite yet. As much as he wants to, because of the way Summer House is airing because of the news cycle. She's also been caught up in, like, all of the stuff of everyone supporting her and in this way, like, you can do no wrong. You should fucking burn it to the ground. Like, that's the narrative that's behind her. And so she's doing.

[B]

She.

[D]

She has this in her brain. And also, like, it's fun to feel that way. It's fun to be like, yeah, it. I'm gonna go on Threads. Who knows what she was. Maybe she was a little tipsy. Maybe she's out with her. It's her healing process. Maybe she's out with her girl. She sees this.

[A]

She.

[D]

Here's my impression. Sierra maybe, like, two drinks in on Threads. See this, Sees this Jen Festler thing. And is like, are you kidding me? Lol. They hooked up. So that's it. That's probably all that went through her mind. And then she was like, oh, whatever.

[C]

And it's just like she did double and triple down. She did double, triple down.

[D]

Yes, she did double and triple down. But she double, triple down in the way that it's like, whatever. It I'm gonna stand by myself to

[A]

take the phone away. And again, I totally get it.

[D]

But sometimes your friend doesn't take the phone away and you just have to

[A]

like, well, that's kind of my point. And you're right. It is so much harder for Sierra than the average person to get over this because like her friend group is the fucking world right now. It is the Internet. Everyone just egging her on and supporting her and be sp. Like burn it to the ground, Sierra. Burn it all down. But like again, but again, like those friends do not have her best interest in mind. Just like the friends who again, while they are your friends, when you're down bad and you're talking to your friend group and you're like you're going through something, your friends are going to project their own bad experiences on you. And again, it's not because they don't care about you. It's not because they're not your friend. Is that we all do that shit. And again, it's so much easier to just want your friend to live in that space because when we are down bad and when our friends are showing up for our misery, it feels awesome. We're the center of attention. We are being validated and supported and that gets addicting. And it's hard. And again, I mean again, when I was on the Bachelorette, like you know, the two time fucking runner up and I'm just like trying to get over these people. Meanwhile I have to watch these people get engaged and to be supported. And I didn't have like many people supporting me like Sierra has at the time. But it's really hard. You know, you want people to validate you. You want people to know like, no, like I got wronged and like here's my side of the story. And again, like I totally get it. And it's so much harder for someone in Sierra shoes than the average person because the world is egging her on and it's just like I just want, I just my hope. And again, just like if it was a, you know, I don't know Sierra that well, you know, I had the pleasure of meeting her lovely person but like I just like if it was someone who was in my circle, I would just be like, I get it. I totally get it. They fucking suck. I get it. I've been there. But, like, just. You're the host of aftersun. You're on Dancing with the Stars.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You are, like, God only knows how many more opportunities that are coming your way. And you. You deserve all of this. So let's. Let's focus on that and stop giving this guy your attention and your energy, because, like, until she stops doing that, she's still in that relationship, and that's. And honestly, when it comes to moving on from a relationship, that is the hardest hurdle to get over because, like, that's the last thing that you have to leave, is the memory of that person. You know those things and that, you know, and it just. And I'm sure Wes made her feel crazy, you know, like, she's watching this, the season back. And, like. And I'm sure it's very validating to be like, see, I. I had reasons to be emotionally invested in this man. He gave me all these verifiable reasons to trust him, and he didn't. And, like, when she hears someone like Jen Fester be like, he's a golden retriever. I love him.

[C]

He's.

[A]

No, she's like, shut the. I get why that's triggering, but, like, let's not. Let's. Let's not, like, destroy. Like, again, like, I wonder what you

[D]

guys think about this. Do you ever. When your friend. When you are being that friend that's, like, supportive of your friend when they're going through, do you ever find yourself just, like, encouraging them for the sake of the plot? Because you wouldn't do that.

[A]

I'm sure I've been that person. Like, it's been a while.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like. I mean, to Nick's point. Yeah. It's like, this should have. This should have been a text in the group chat.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, this should have been a send to Paige and Hannah and whoever else is in that group chat and been like, bitches, y' all know he slept with her. That in it. And right now, the. Like, Nick said the entire Internet feels like her group chat. She feels like she has everyone that she's just.

[D]

Sometimes it just gossiping with. Needs to stay on close friends.

[B]

It needed to stay on close friends.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I've been there. Like, I haven't in this show. Like, I've been there. I have said things about people feeling validated because I knew I had the Internet on my side. And Then you say it and then the dust settles and months go by and then you find out what you said affected someone else and then ending and you're over it. You're over whatever it was that triggered you. And you always feel bad. You're always like, I didn't need to do that. I didn't need to. And there's no doubt that at some point in the future because I assume that Sierra is a human being and a good person and has empathy that she will. She will no doubt feel like I didn't need to do that.

[B]

We're also talking about Jen Fessler who came on Jersey Housewives and was like, my husband had an affair on me. They split for a year and a half, got back together, back married. She, like, talked about all of this on Jersey Housewives. So, like, why wouldn't she just say, yeah, we slept together. My husband knew. Like, we're talking about someone who clearly doesn't care, is open about the relationship with her husband that she's going through. The stuff that her. The type of relationship her and her husband have. She's open about it. She talks about it. So if it were true, she would probably. Probably just say it.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, in to the Sierra thing, that's still. That's interesting to me is that, like, I think sometimes you have to make those mistakes to real. You know what I mean? Like, I don't obviously I don't know every bit of drama series gotten herself into, but I think sometimes that you kind of have to maybe be like, okay, I want to let me pull back. I'm sorry. Blah, blah, blah.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, listen, what Sierra did, we've all done on some version. Maybe not to this scale, but the scale doesn't really matter. It's just.

[D]

It's just sometimes you get a little too hot and you're like, I will

[B]

say that it is strange that west posted the meme posted on his Instagram story. Everyone's like, he's defending Jen Fesser more than he defended Amanda, literally.

[C]

Also, I will say on top of that, the one thing I took away from the Sierra situation, and I don't prescribe to the potential truth of Jen sleeping with Wes, is that there's also the Lisa Milan interview that's resurfacing. She's from Dubai Housewives, where she said she was like, yeah, Wes was being very flirty and I had to tell him multiple times that I married. So what's coming from this? What I took from Ciara is that there's a pattern with west. Of going after or being flirty with married women.

[B]

What I think, and Nick and I talked about this over the weekend, was like, even when we interviewed west, he's a very touchy.

[C]

He has flirty.

[B]

And we. We watch it on Summer House. We see it in the. In the TMZ pictures of him at this wedding kissing someone's forehead.

[A]

Like, every photo of a girl, he looks like it's his wife.

[B]

Affectionate man. He is very touchy. And what it sounds and what I feel. I don't feel like West. And maybe he did. I could be, like, very much wrong. And Lisa could come out and be like, babes. No, this is what he said to me. But I feel like maybe he was very touchy with her, and she was like, babes. I'm married with three children.

[D]

Yeah. You know, I do think that sometimes maybe I read this a bit differently as, like, a queer woman who, like, women are very affectionate. You can tell when someone's just a naturally. A very affectionate, touchy person, and when they're, like, trying to flirt with you.

[A]

I mean, that's a gray area. I don't know.

[E]

Maybe.

[A]

I don't know. Like, also when I have the pleasure of meeting housewives, and the housewives that I meet that are, like, late 50s or, you know, a little older, they are very nice and affectionate, and they're very complimentary of me. And I don't think in a way that, like, oh, I'm not like, oh, they want to fuck.

[D]

They're just being fun.

[A]

They're being fun. They're like, oh, you handsome young man. Like, they talk to me like I'm a child.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, even though I'm 45, you know, and that's like, it's nice for both of you.

[D]

It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

[A]

And Jen was very lovely, very affectionate. At no point I didn't reach out to none and be like. I think, like, it was not like that. But again, if you're the Internet and you're being. And you're filming this, it was like, oh, they look really friendly and fun, and there's an affectionate. And I'm not. No one ever describes me to maybe counter your point. Is an affectionate. I'm a prickly cat.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But when I feel comfortable, just like any cat, I'm sure George Michael gets affectionate with you.

[D]

Yeah. You know, he does.

[A]

So I have my moments, you know, but, like, that doesn't necessarily mean just because I'm being affectionate with this Person I'm not normally affectionate with. Like, a person that. That means anything more than just, like, we have mutual friends. Jen Fesser and I have a very close mutual friend. So there was a bond there.

[D]

Sometimes George Michael is nice to people just because he wants food. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

There you go. Anyway, and then Venita, we love her queen. Yada, yada, yada.

[C]

I love Vanita.

[A]

But, like, again, like, what is Jen Fester supposed to do? Not respond, not defend her. Again, true or not, like, you know, this is her. You brought her family into this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you expect her to do? She probably didn't need the whole, like, liable like that of came across again.

[B]

I think if her husband is a lawyer, she's probably like, he's gonna be

[D]

like, threaten her with the lawsuit. She'll shut the fuck up. Yeah.

[C]

And then Sierra responded to the lawyer like, her. Her saying that I would sue Lisa Barlow.

[D]

I'm shaking up.

[A]

Which was objectively hilarious. Objectively hilarious.

[C]

Hilarious.

[D]

Like, they're like, the thing about Sierra is, like, she's being funny with it. So it's hard for me to be mad.

[A]

Well, I'm not mad. I don't care. Like, it's not bothering me. It's just more like I just don't. Like, again, thinking big picture, taking myself out of Stan culture, where it's just like, you can do no wrong because everyone, like, you're a queen and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, like, it's just Stan culture. It does not look out for you. They don't have your best interest in mind. They just want to watch the world burn. Because, you know, like, it's very dangerous to let a bunch of unhappy people dictate your decision tree. And the Internet is full of miserable fucking people. And the people who are most supportive of your misery are also people who are deeply unhappy with their own lives. That's just a fact.

[D]

Can I give you guys my thesis on why these things happen on the Internet? It's basically, I think that serotonin, obviously, you get serotonin and dopamine from stuff happening online. The biggest schadenfreude is like the. When you watch someone fall and it feels awesome. So it's like, to watch people get clowned on the Internet or their lives ruined is, like, objectively going to make your nervous system feel great, which is really dark and fucked up. But, like, it's why we like horror movies. It's, like, why we like all of this. And with the Internet, it's separated from you. It's not people you don't know. You can pretend it's not real. And so it's like, I mean, this is a very dramatic version of what's happening with like, Jen Fessler stuff. But it's like with Wes and Sierra, it's like you want Sierra is you in that moment and you want to watch the world burn because to you it's not real. But then it's real people's lives. So maybe, I don't know, chill the fuck out.

[A]

But I assume Sierra, outside of all this drama, like all of us just wants to have peace and wants to find her person and wants to find like happiness and peace. And this isn't going to get you there, you know, And I know it's fun and I know it's a little messy and I know there are a lot of people egging you on, but I just like, again, you will times at, at some point she's going to be like, I shouldn't have done that. People might be like, shut the fuck up. Blah, blah, blah. Like, it's just like, because I know Sierra's a good person and good people will feel bad. When you realize when your pain is gone and you don't need to like, have other people feel your pain, you're going to like, take an inventory and account for like, you know, the collateral damage of your pain. And we've all been there, you know, and it's just she has so many amazing things going on and, and, and, and it. And well deserved.

[D]

Just don't distract from your slaves, girl.

[B]

Don't distract.

[A]

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[B]

We also have some text messages being released through Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. PK and Dorit.

[C]

I was gonna say Nick was quoting Dorit, quoting Erica and saying that your friends support you at your worst, period.

[B]

Honestly, Dorit was the biggest eye roll this entire reunion.

[A]

And even when I was such a dorit fan list, she's lost me. She's completely lost me.

[D]

She's lost me too. She. She is in the sauce and I am not lik tastes.

[B]

When she apologized to Sutton and then Sutton goes, okay. And she goes, you bought that? I was like, what? What? So that was not a genuine apology.

[C]

When she was like, I did apologize. Andy was like, when she's like, when I acknowledged.

[B]

When I acknowledged and I said that I was sorry, it's like, okay, so

[C]

you're saying it now, but you're also acknowledging it. You're not.

[A]

But I also don't think she actually said, I'm sorry.

[B]

No, she never did.

[A]

She threw it in there. Yeah, but I do. Like, she's spending, what is it, like $60,000 a month.

[D]

So basically, PK alleged in new court filings that Dorit spent approximately 80% of her available funds for her personal expenses, which included her clothing and travel, totaling in excess of a million dollars. From December 2024 through March 31, PK claims that Dorit spent $995,270 on, quote, wardrobe related expenses, including about $69,000 in charges from Louis Vuitton, another 69,000 from Chanel, $38,000 from Hermes, and 22,000 from St. Honore between October 30 and January 6, 2025, per the filing.

[B]

Nuts.

[A]

Nuts.

[E]

Absolutely.

[A]

I just couldn't imagine a world just started like, spending at this limit. And no matter what I said, and no matter what I was like, yo, can we just slow down? She just kept going and going.

[D]

And then also, she's calling you an alcoholic and a bad father.

[A]

Yes. And like. And like gaslighting me and. And that would be a terrifying situation.

[C]

I will say, when I saw this stuff come out, my first thought was like, we've known for a while that there was some kind of financial. I guess instability is the right word. But Dorit specifically, because her whole thing seasons ago was to wear brand on brand on brand. And then there was two seasons where it was neutrals, no brands, just simple stuff. And people called it out. I want to say garcon saying called it out. And now there's this season where it's Kyle saying, I think the words were erratic or like, your spending was a lot. So I think it checks out. I'm not surprised. But also, like, it's coming from PK's side.

[B]

I think she went neutrals for two seasons.

[C]

I mean, she said that she was the real Dorit and she was trying to, like, find it was. It was post burglary, too. So I think there was probably some mental aspects to it.

[D]

But like, the neutrals is a really good question, though, because just because you go from name brand to not name brand doth not mean you go from color to neutral.

[C]

No, but what I'm saying though is. Yeah, because it can be expensive too. But I'm saying, though is we've known that there's been some kind of financial narrative that is behind the cameras. But also this is coming from PK side, and that's where, like, my thought Is like, this could also be not the full picture.

[A]

Who knows? All I'm saying is justice for Kyle Richards, not cook. Yeah, for Kyle Richards. But like, and we. I think we've. We've said as much. I mean, Ciara household member Sierra, not Sierra Miller has always kind of like, you know, not been team Kyle, but you know, like, you know how reality TV stars. It's like the producers always like the excuse for when things don't go your. Well, I got producer made me do this, I'm blow producer this, producer that.

[D]

And the excuse in Beverly Hills.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like. And we kind of like, oh, Kyle's like a producer since he's been on so long. And like, I don't know, like, maybe, you know, I don't know how much Kyle and Dorita are really that friends, but I just see it as, like, it seems like Kyle, it was trying to be the friend who's like, maybe giving advice that maybe the friend doesn't want to hear. It doesn't make it bad advice, though. And like, maybe like, like, I'm sorry if you're. If you are spending that much and it's that out of control. Like, something might need to be said. And it isn't always jealousy from Kyle when you're giving, like, this type of advice. And I don't know, I saw Kyle, like, exhausted and frustrated with, like, trying to just like, be a friend. And like. And then Dorit, even with Andy was confrontational, just like, completely, like. Even when it was just, like, giving like, hey, do you just want to apologize for this? About what? It was just like, the defiance at a level of, like, delusion.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And then when she's like, I know people think that Kyle has the ability to get anyone exited off this show. And Erica's told me that. And Erica's like, I personally have told you that. And she's like, yes, you have. And then Bose goes, well, then I

[A]

would have been kicked off.

[B]

I wouldn't be sitting here. And then Dorit's like, well, I know that she doesn't have that because I would have been kicked off years ago. And it's like, you just heard Beau say that under her breath.

[C]

They're also saying this in front of Andy, who is the executive producer, literally, girl, that's not true.

[D]

And he's like, no, you know, do you so kind of going back to the Sierra summerhouse conversation with, you know, when you get the entire Internet on your side, it's kind of like, easy to forget that these, you know, this impacts people's lives outside of the show. Whatever. With Dorit, it's interesting, and I wonder if you guys think that, like, she has made her life so specifically focused on the show and how she presents on the show that it's kind of. You know what I mean? She's forgotten the real world effects of it because she's so just, like, in this sauce of how 100%. Yeah. And Kyle's kind of trying to just to be like, doritos. This is like, Kyle has obviously become excellent at compartmentalizing, like, housewives world. Well, to a certain extent. She knows how to keep certain shit off the show, you know, that she doesn't want to be discussed.

[A]

No, but Kyle, I think, has healthy boundaries of not. Like, there's this line of every reality TV star that has to try to, like, maintain is that, like, there's reality TV and then there's, like, literal reality. I think Kyle's done an excellent job of balancing that and still, like, having those boundaries and a lot of people on these shows don't. It's very hard to do. Tarit seems to be a perfect example

[D]

of lost in the sauce.

[A]

Lost in the sauce.

[B]

When they asked Kyle, like, oh, if Mauricio were to date, like, one of my friends in eight years, and she's like, yeah, I kill him. And Dorit's like, and would you talk bad about him publicly? And she's like, I mean, maybe. And she's like, oh, and you. You would talk bad about him publicly? And Kyle goes, oh, I see what

[C]

you're making this about You.

[B]

I'm making this about you. Got it. Got it.

[D]

Sorry. Our relationship is different than yours and pk. Like, how many times does Kyle have to say, and for us to see it on screen and for literally everyone in the world to be like Mauricio and Kyle, whatever they have going on, don't know. But publicly, they seem to be aligned. Dorit and bk, they're perpendicular.

[C]

It's just so messy. And that's why I think. I think Rachel Zoe, like, hit it exactly where she was. Like, you guys need a break. Because they were. Were, like, friends for years and years, even Mauricio and pk. So, like, they know the dynamics that the Internet doesn't know.

[D]

Well, Mauricio just posted a picture with PK being like, I support you, buddy.

[C]

Oh, he does.

[A]

He did, yeah. Yeah. Really leaning in. Obvious. Still love Bose. We'll always love Bose. Had a bit of a. Bo's had a sophomore slump this season.

[C]

She needs to get a Hold of those flashbacks. Because I feel like every time she's like, I didn't say that. They flashback to her saying, exactly. And I love Bose. And I'm like, like, girl, getting caught

[D]

in like, that's Justin and me having a conversation, though, so many times. They'll be like, when did I say that? And Justin's like, you said, roll the.

[A]

I get what Bose is saying. She's like, I don't necessarily remember saying it. And so if you're asking me if I said that, my memory is. No, I didn't say that. Makes. Makes total sense.

[D]

I do not recall.

[A]

But I think one of.

[E]

I think.

[A]

I think one of Bose's closest friends in this. In this group has been Dorit. And I don't know if you're Bose, if you listen and you sit next to Dorit, this reunion, I. I feel like you have to be like, girl, I can't, I can't.

[D]

I might have to start talking to Sutton track now.

[A]

Right? I mean, great. You know, because Bose always comes off as very just like grounded and makes sense and she's the voice of reason. And like, you can't be defending Dorit.

[C]

You know, like when she was like, she didn't though.

[A]

Not the reunion, but like earlier this, like when she was going after Kyle being like, why didn't you show up for Dorit's event? You know, why aren't you so celebrating her financial successes. That. That wasn't a financial success. Spending money to show to illusion of success. But again, like that. That. That party. That wasn't a financial success. She wrote a book. I don't the most she made or

[C]

it'll be released on June 2, 2026, but you can buy it pre order. It was a success, though.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

How do you know it was a success? It wasn't. She got a book deal because the

[C]

book is going to release.

[A]

Sure. But it doesn't mean it's a financial success. I mean, a book deal, she. At best, she got like a 50,000, 60,000. I don't know, somewhere in the ballpark, give or take $10,000.

[D]

Allegedly less than what she spent at Hermes.

[A]

Yeah. Or just. Or the photo shoot for the book that didn't exist. And then the party of the. It's just like, that's not a financial success.

[D]

Maybe she's. Maybe she's pulling in Amanda and investing in herself. She's manifesting.

[C]

She's manifesting.

[A]

I just predict Bo's distancing herself from Dorit a little bit.

[D]

I predict that as well. I have a question for all you Beverly Hills enjoyers in the room. Who do you think. What are your stats coming out of this season? Who do you think was the best that you're looking forward to seeing again?

[A]

Who do you really loved? Erica this season? I loved her softness. I like, because she. You know, even though when Erica is. You see that softer side, you still see that ice queen deep inside. And I really. And I really feel like an Erica. I feel like an Erica. I also. I do want to shout out to the entire show because this show got a lot of shit in the beginning.

[D]

From us included.

[A]

No, from us. Not Justin. Justin's always been a loyal Stan, but I. I. This bring you in was awesome. I really enjoyed this ring union. I enjoyed. I mean, for all of us shitting on to read, she really brought delusion, which is, honestly, if we're not. If we're not. If we're not gonna get, like, a summer house scandal, just pure delusion is, like. Is so fun to watch. It's so easy to follow. It's so easy to critique. It is, honestly. Thank you, Dorit.

[C]

Her quoting Sutton from a season ago was wild. When she said, you're not gonna bow down to the. The altar of Kyle Richards and her being like. Did I say that?

[D]

Yes, son. You famously said that. Nick, I've never agreed with something you've said more. We do need delusion.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I thought. I thought Beverly Hills really, really finished very, very strong, and I think we need to, like, just all of them.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think Natalie love our girl, but she might not be in front of next season.

[D]

No. Where was she? Them being like, she's not here now,

[B]

Kyle going, she said she wanted to jack off.

[A]

No, that was. That was.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, she did.

[A]

I met Kathy Hilton at the Vulture party too. And I was like, hey, Kathy. I just. I stopped and said I'm a big fan, and I've met her in person. She's like, that's great. Bye.

[C]

No, I love Kathy. Every time I've met her, she's like, just in her own world. In the best way possible.

[A]

No, the best way possible. Before we get to Rosie, who is in studio and coming on shortly, I just. We got Zach here, member of the household, and we are not closely watching or following beyond the Villa, but I have been paying attention. I've gotten to know Jeremiah. I think he's a great guy. I follow him. And so loosely adjacently, I am fed through the algorithm, the drama that's going on beyond the Villa. And people are like, why is everyone so upset? Why are people losing followers in the middle of the season? And how is Pepe so popular after what would normally be a scandal? And now you have Iris making a video. And Iris seems like a really sweet and lovely person.

[B]

Zach, Hannah, like, apologizing.

[A]

Yeah, Zach, what is going on?

[C]

Hannah looks a little crazy in that episode.

[F]

Yeah, it's been really crazy. There are more people who lost followers from the last episode than there were who gained followers.

[C]

And is this the episode where Hannah was like, and how do you feel now to Grace or whatever when she.

[A]

Grayson.

[C]

I'm not sure about that one. I can't answer that. That's the viral clip.

[F]

I can say, however, that. But in terms of. So with Iris and Hannah posting Apollo or Hannah posted an apology, Iris posted like an 11 minute explanation. There's two parts to it. There's the mean girls part of it, and there's the Pepe part of it. The mean girls part is pretty. Just. It's reality TV drama. There's like the main three quote unquote of, like, Iris, Amaya and Hannah that they feel aren't being as welcoming to, like, the Casa girls of, like, like Grayson and Coco and Bel Dasha. That one's more of like a classic.

[D]

Just reality is not a Casa girl.

[F]

She's not. But she falls into that.

[D]

Like the one episode she has a dash in her name. That's not real.

[F]

Yes, exactly. And then the Pepe stuff, that's where it gets really weird because their show is presenting it as almost like a he said, she said. Right. Of Pepe is basically saying, like, Iris is like, you cheated on me. And Pepe is like, well, you were cheating too. You were talking to TJ before we even connected, before we even broke up. Like, And Iris released this whole video to show, like, hey, this isn't a he said, she said, I. I have all the evidence on this one. And she released texts, like, for that one claim from Pepe. Right. It's literally just her being like, hi, I'm gonna go and see tj. Like, I wanna make sure that you're okay with that.

[A]

Well, they talked.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

And like, literally just like having, like a postmortem, like, after the show, and then she's showing, like, hundreds of texts she got from girls that are like, like, hey, girly, I just want to let you know, like, I saw Pepe hooking up with a girl in the bathroom of this club, the hey, girly, DMs. So that part of it, it's Just like. I mean, to me, it's like, why

[A]

I'm just always fascinated. Because we cover all these shows, right? And every show, I've learned more and more, has a different fan base and they react differently to different storylines. And, like, what's crazy about this is, like, if this storyline was happening and say, in like, Bachelor Nation or even Bravo, like, it would be handled so much differently. And now you have fans, like, again, Stan culture using like follows as a way to, like, attack or reward the people you like or dislike in a way that's like, we have. We're losing our mind. Like, everyone needs to chill the fuck out online.

[F]

My take on it is I think that they're basically just taking the other thing they're mad about, which is the mean girl accusations. I feel like they're taking that and then extending it to the. And I bet she's lying about Pepe. So when she's making this video, it's really to be like, hey, that's its own thing that I can talk about. But on the Pepe front, like, I haven't said a lot.

[A]

And where is Jeremiah getting hate? Because I see him getting constant heat.

[D]

Is Jeremiah also a mean girl because he's friends with them?

[F]

They're lumping him into, like, the quote unquote mean girl clique. The issue people have is he's pretty.

[D]

No. Because he's friends with the girlies over friends with the boys.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

You probably feel like he's choosing the girls over the boys.

[C]

When Hannah is the clip that. The mean girl clip that everybody.

[A]

Wait, I thought it's 2026. I thought we. Stan, who is like, an ally to women and not just, like, one for the boys.

[D]

No. But not if he's, like, being performative with the girls in a way that we think isn't great.

[F]

That's. And you know what? That's the key word is the moment that someone's doing something that you like but you don't like them. You just say, well, he's being performative.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Well, we don't. We don't agree with the. We don't agree with the truth anymore. We just agree with the people we like the most.

[D]

Exactly. Yeah. So in Love island terms, that's what that means. I just also think it's funny that, like, Pepe is becoming a victim of mean girl behavior when he's just a cheater.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Well, and then it's also like, Iris doesn't want anything to do with Pepe on the show. Baldash is Kind of like trying to bring him into the fold a little bit. And then Iris, like.

[A]

And so Iris is a mean girl because she's trying to, like, set a boundary and protect her mental health, to not, like, bring a guy who, like, hurt her. And. And that's mean.

[C]

No crumbs.

[F]

I don't think they're saying that she's a mean girl with Pepe. I think that she's saying it like her.

[D]

She's a mean girl with the girls.

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Pepe is now a baby girl in this situation because she's been. Because we can use misogyny of how we feel about Iris and transfer that with Pepe and then.

[A]

Yeah, well, I do credit to that cast because there's way more online discourse this season of beyond the Villa than there ever was.

[F]

I mean, at their expense. Like, it's not going to turn into followers.

[B]

What I. All I've seen from Hannah is, like, very confused by this edit. Like, she's like, I.

[A]

Like.

[E]

They.

[B]

Like, what is. I actually, like, don't know what's going on.

[C]

Hannah looks like she's the only one giving, like, drama from the clips I've seen. Like, she's the one that's confronting people and, like, being outspoken.

[A]

But there. I mean, Peacock has a toxicity problem in general. Like, I mean, we didn't get too much into it, but, like, not like. I think last week the UK Traders announced a cast of, like, their celebrity traders. And, like, if you are. If you follow the UK celebrity, you have some, like, like, big, big, big names on that list.

[F]

Bella Ramsey.

[A]

Bella Ramsey. There's. It's a. Yeah, there's some huge names. Tom Hiddleston, who's a part of the Marvel Universe, you know, used to date Taylor Swift. Big, big star. He was like, I was gonna be on it, but I couldn't because, like, Tom Hiddleston's on the cast of Fucking the UK Traders. And, like, that's incredible. I do know that the United States version of this would love to go that direction to, to, to, to. And get some bigger names, but they're never gonna do it because this audience is so fucking toxic that if you're, like, someone who's like, you know, I love this show. It'd be fun to do it. And you see the discourse that's online. It's not worth it. It's just not fucking worth it. And I know this because I know the people at Peacock and Bravo have these conversations about the toxicity of their audience and how it almost, like, beyond the Villa, it's just like, at some point when you have this entire cast being like, yeah, we did it, but honestly, it wasn't fucking worth it.

[C]

It.

[A]

I just got, like, more mental health problems and I have literally less followers. What's the point?

[C]

You should have stayed last season.

[A]

Yeah, like, you know, it's just like. It's just, you know, we need to,

[D]

like, it's a fun, silly dating show, right?

[A]

Like, can't we just, like, watch it, have some fun? Like, why? We're, we're. They're, they're, you know, to, to sit there and unfollow and then, like, launch campaigns. To unfollow people is like a level. It's just like, what are you doing?

[D]

They're going on an island to like, like, make out and put like, you know, like soapy suds on each other and roll around in a bouncy house, like, and I just want to go, hehehe.

[C]

Kind of sidebar. But adjacent to this. Did you see that Instagram did a mass, like, bot deletion? It's like a ton of people. Their followings also went down. Very interesting.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm glad Instagram did that. I mean, like, there's so many bots. People have bots that they didn't necessarily pay for, maybe. I'm sure some of them did, but exists regardless.

[D]

It is something that is, like, about to look real silly out there.

[A]

Anyway, well, before we get to Rosie, just a reminder that Perfect Match on Netflix launches on Wednesday. We will be interviewing most of the key people on Perfect Match. So it's a great season. It's a lot of fun. Ali Luber of Bravo.

[F]

Oh, and she's a star.

[A]

She's awesome. She really is a star. She really, It's. She. She is awesome on the, on the show.

[D]

She's a star. And she knows exactly what planets make her shine.

[A]

No, it really is fun to see, like, a veteran reality TV maker come on and really show how it's done with some people who, like, maybe, you know, have some experience. Like the experience that Ali Luber has being a member of the Vanderpump cast versus, like, say, someone who was, like, on one season of Love is blind. There is certainly a level of experience that is unmatched. And Ali really shines.

[B]

She's so herself, which is so refreshing to see, is, like, someone who doesn't feel performative or doesn't feel like they're, like, turning it up for the cameras. You just know that that's Ali and

[C]

you're like, yep, she was also she was on Southern hospitality briefly too. So it's like you just see her like jumping from show to show but being herself.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

All right, up next, Rosie from Real Housewives of Rhode island joins us to talk about the most recent episode. All the drama going on with the cast. We also just want to get to know her a little bit better. We're super excited to have her. And she is up next in studio. As a sports fan, as someone who's a cooking enthusiast, I also have dabbled into some art and I have learned that I can connect with people in those communities on Reddit. Obviously as a big packer fan, I like to talk to other packer fans on Reddit and give my opinions about who we like on the team, who we don't like on the team, who we want to trade for, and things like that. So whatever your passions are, you can find the community for you on Reddit. Reddit fits into your day however you need it. Sometimes it's for researching a product, sometimes it's for advice, and sometimes it's for entertainment. What makes it different is its authenticity. No influencers, no trying to sell me something. Just real people sharing real experiences. No matter what you're dealing with, relationships, money, work or big life decisions, there's always people who have been through it and are willing to help. And it's never just one opinion. It's a conversation, different perspectives, thoughtful questions and honest debate that can help you maybe sometimes see things more clearly. So if you are looking to connect with people in your community with shared passions and interests, you can find it on Reddit. Download the Reddit app and get answers or information on your favorite topics. Download the Reddit app today, 91 of

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[A]

welcome to the show.

[E]

Thank you. I'm excited. I've been watching you guys for a very long time.

[A]

We're flattered.

[E]

Yeah, I love it.

[A]

Well, we have been watching you.

[E]

Oh God.

[A]

Really enjoying you. Really. The entire cast. We've said this a million times, but well one, obviously Ashley's a Friend. So it's cool to see, you know, her be a part of this really amazing group. And it's just such a fun, you know, Israeli TV fans to see a new housewife franchise take off the way it has.

[E]

It is crazy, isn't it? Like. Like, who saw this coming? I feel like people underestimated us by a lot. Yeah. I think they were like, Rhode Island. Rhode island.

[A]

Going in before it aired. Were you and the women being like, I think we're gonna be a hit, or were you like, I don't really know you just. What was the feeling?

[E]

I mean, I don't think it's a way, but I remember probably week four or five, and production on the ground was like, you guys better step it up. Like, you guys, this isn't good enough. And so now I'm watching the first couple episodes, and I'm like, what do you mean people really like us? Like, it only gets worse from here because, like, we were scared, you know, so it's. It does. It gets way better and. Or worse, depending on, like, how you see it. But, yeah, I was surprised. I kind of thought the first couple would be boring because we were kind of being told, like, we're so boring, but we're not boring.

[A]

When was it ever boring?

[D]

Yeah, it was never boring.

[E]

Well, I know I. And now I'm learning. Like, you guys remember I don't know reality tv. So I'm listening to producers, and I come from a news world where producers, like, tell you stuff and you listen and. And now it's like, oh, I think that was, like, a scare tactic. Yeah. To keep, like, you know, doing a really good job. But at the time, it was more like cheerleading. Yeah, cheerleading. But me and Ashley will always say, cheered on, like, the ne. I don't do well with, like, negative reinforcement. Like, me and Ashley always say, we're not, like, there for the Bill Belichick reinforcement. Oh, I see. That's a Jared reference.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Like, I want to be told, like, I'm doing so good. And then I'll be like, really?

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Wait until you see this.

[A]

You want a player's coach?

[E]

Yeah, I want, like, a best friend.

[B]

And have you found that?

[E]

Well, Ashley's a very good friend of mine, and I love her and I love Alicia. We were voice memoing on the way over.

[B]

Did you expect to go into this and have such an issue with Kelsey?

[E]

No, that one kind of threw me for a loop. I, like, I don't necessarily know that I thought much about Kelsey before the show started, but I Thought she would be, like, a nice girl, but obviously I was wrong about that.

[A]

Were you the one who brought Ashley into this group?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

How did that happen?

[E]

My bad. Well, we just knew each other beforehand, and, you know, they were looking for people, and I think obviously she's very famous and she's very good on tv. She didn't cry as much as she did on the Bachelor, though. I just caught up on all of that because I had never. I had known her as just like, this girl in Rhode island that had a coffee shop, and obviously we knew who she was or whatever. But I'd never seen the Bachelor or Bachelor in paradise, and I did just watch it. You did a great job.

[A]

You watched? You watched?

[E]

Oh, I watched a little bit.

[A]

That was my best work.

[E]

Yeah, it was very good. I did fast forward through a lot. But you were in a lot of stuff with Jared, so I saw you. I would fast forward until I saw Ashley and that I would turn it back on.

[A]

But no, why were you, like. So you just went back to, like, study up on Ashley?

[E]

Well, because we were already friends and, like, I already knew her, but we were seeing the trailers come out and stuff, and I was like, wow, they're focusing a lot on her crying, and I know that's what she's known for, so I kind of wanted to see it, like, in real time.

[A]

She's never cried at lunch with you? No, she did with me a long time ago.

[E]

Really? She really doesn't cry that much. But of course, like, they're showing her love for makeup, and they were showing, like, her crying and stuff.

[A]

This rivalry that you and Kelsey seem to have, what do you think it's based on?

[E]

I don't think it's a rivalry.

[A]

Well, whatever it is, you know what I mean? Conflict. Who dislikes who more?

[E]

Oh, I don't. I don't have a problem with her. I feel really bad for her, but I don't really have.

[A]

Why do you feel bad?

[E]

We'll have to get into that. Well, because I think she has a lot to hide, and I think she has a lot of things she's not telling the truth about. And the difference is, like, you can come at me and say whatever you want, but at the end of the day, I have a real husband and I have a real marriage, and I have a real house that I'm building. I may be off about the square footage sometimes, but I don't really understand square footage.

[D]

Math is hard.

[E]

Also, I didn't know what an H vac was until, like, Two weeks ago. You know, I thought it was the vacuum in the wall.

[D]

It doesn't make sense why it's called H vac.

[E]

It really doesn't. No. It's air conditioning, right? Yeah. Like ventilation or something. But I was like, why are we spending 50 on a vacuum suck on the wall? Like, that seems unnecessary.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I didn't know they put those there.

[E]

But. So, like, I have a really nice life and a really nice husband who I'm sometimes mean to, but, like, he's in love with me. And, you know, like, things are good.

[A]

Every couple annoys each other.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

But, like, truly. I know. And I know my wife loves me and I feel that love. And it's important that I feel that love.

[D]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

But I know that the things that annoy my wife about me. That list is really long.

[E]

Very long.

[A]

Endless maybe. Honestly. And I know, like, I just know, like, there's like, you know, my love for Madonna. I spun over the weekend. She's like, oh, we're spinning. Cool. Anyways.

[E]

Well, it's like the socks on the ground.

[A]

Whatever. It's just a long list. And I just don't have that same list for my wife. She just doesn't annoy me.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I know I annoy her. And I don't know if that's just like. Because us men, at the end of the day, I don't care who you are. Good husband, bad husband. I am not your most masculine man, but at the end of the day, I'm still a guy and I do dumb fucking shit.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It makes our relationship work.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I think it's important that you gotta marry your best friend. And, like, sometimes your best friend annoys you. And that's okay. Yeah.

[D]

I mean, there's certain. I mean, I don't really think. Think. I don't think there's a gender thing to it. I think sometimes there are people you love and they have their things that annoy you.

[B]

Well, again, I would never annoy Nick,

[E]

so I never annoyed.

[B]

Exactly.

[E]

I annoy everybody else.

[A]

Back to Kelsey.

[E]

Yeah. My favorite topic.

[A]

What? What, like, remind me. What? The thing that you. She's claiming. She did press last week.

[E]

Oh. She said so many things.

[A]

She accused you of not paying for a service that she provided.

[E]

Right. Okay. So, like, before we all got together over the summer, I didn't really know anyone other than Ashley and Alicia. And so I was trying to, like, come up with reasons to hang out with people. We had had, like, one event at Joellen's house and you know, it was when I brought the cheap wine, and it was, like, a big, really big issue. And even though we were in sweatpants,

[D]

I drink cheap wine all the time.

[E]

I like cheap wine.

[D]

That's good.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

White girl wasted. Happens whether it's $5 or $50.

[E]

Well, it was like I was bringing other things, and I just grabbed it, and I didn't think anything of it. And of course, that was, like, the big thing. I've now come to accept that they're gonna just say stuff about everything, about me.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And so it's. It's not that she whine. It's not how I actually dress. It's not, you know, my. It's just me. And so, like, they always have to have something, and, like, that's okay. It, like, hurts less every time, you know, like, okay. But so I was trying to, like, figure out ways to hang out with everyone. I know they had heard some things from people that, like, didn't end up making it on the show, who were kind of bitter and whatever. And I was like, oh, like, this won't be a big deal, but in Rhode island, there is this mentality of. I think we saw it in the trailer.

[B]

Like, we.

[E]

If we didn't know you in kindergarten, it's a problem. It's like, very close knit. So, you know, I had asked Liz to come to Rich's show a bunch of times. She'd done that. Like, I was. And I saw that Kelsey was cutting hair. Like, she had just gotten this haircutting certificate. I know plenty of other hairdressers. Like, I wasn't going there for the haircut. She had had it for 24 hours. When I got my haircut, I was like, would you give me a haircut? That would be so great. I'm just pretty brave. I'm just trying to come up with reasons to, like, hang out, you know, like, get a little trim, like, whatever. Maybe a couple, like, long layers or something. And it was very kind of awkward. And I was just like, okay. And so at the end of it, it. I paid her. She was like, you don't have to pay me. And I was like, of course I'm gonna pay you. You're starting a new business. You did a great job. You know, here's a Venmo. I sent her some nice texts. I went to the supermarket, and this lady was like, wow, your hair looks so good. And I was like, oh, thank you so much. You know, sent her some nice texts, thought nothing of it. That was February. Now we're on a boat in July. And I've never heard anything about this. And I'm getting yelled at that I didn't post a picture of the haircut. Okay. I was just like, what? And. And also, too, you know, we only have 48 minutes in every episode, so you didn't see a lot of the stuff that happened before that. Like, when she kept trying to tell me my husband was gay, and when she was telling me I was mentally ill, or when she told me I was lying about, like, infertility issues, which are weird things to lie about, and also, like, medical documentation. So by this point, I was very much like, you're just looking for a reason to have a problem with me. And so I said that on the boat. And it does kind of seem that way. I. I made it very clear if she had asked me to take a picture or if she had taken a picture, if she had asked me to post, I obviously would have. This was by no means a collab where she reached out to me and wanted to do a collab. This was like, I'm trying to find a trade.

[D]

Yeah, I want to get to know her.

[E]

I really wanted to become friends. Like, I was at. I wasn't thinking, like, oh, I better post this so everybody knows we're hanging out. I wasn't thinking that at all. So I gotta blow out in la. I've learned my lesson. I gotta block yesterday in la. And I was like, let's take a picture. Let's, like, post whatever. I'm paying for it, I'm posting it. I don't care. Like, I'm gonna do all the things, but, like, I just didn't, you know.

[A]

Do you have that Venmo?

[E]

Oh, of course. You'll see it at the reunion. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Like, look, like, at the end of the day, you can say whatever you want, but you're gonna have to answer for it. And, like, one thing that bothered me that she said in her press tour last week was she tried to go after Ashley and say, like, Ashley won't even DM her back. I get a screen recording from Ashley, and here's every time she's responded to a dm, like, it's not like she responds to one in every three. She's responding to everyone. So you can keep saying whatever you want.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

But the facts just don't back that up. And that seems to just be happening more and more.

[D]

You said that you thought there were things that Kelsey is, you know, trying to keep lying about or, like, keep hidden.

[E]

What do you Think those are. You know, I. I will say this. I was very confused all summer why she kept coming after me, and I really didn't understand it. I was like, are you really. Like, you're not trying to buy my house? Like, why do you care about the square footage so much? Or like. Like. Like, okay, like, you don't even have a haircutting page. I think she's posting it on her makeup page. Like, why do you care so much if I post this picture? It didn't make sense to me until I started watching and I realized what she's saying about her life, where she's going with, like, this narrative. And then I was like, got it. That makes perfect sense to me why you would accuse me of everything. And I would just say, like, she's a master of projection, so. Which I actually learned about last year.

[A]

Wants your life.

[E]

No, I don't think she wants my life. I don't think she's. And I actually feel bad that, you know, she's getting that online, and I. I feel bad for her in general that she feels the need to pretend that she has a life that she doesn't have.

[A]

What do you think she's projecting?

[E]

So before filming started, these girls were trying to say that I had, like, a notes app on that.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Of, like, all the dirt. Keep in mind, we're in Rhode island, so if I go to the grocery

[D]

store, you're gonna get the dirt.

[E]

Somebody's gonna be like, you gotta be careful about this girl or that girl or whatever. And I would make jokes and be like, I'll put that in my notes. Like, I didn't think they were gonna take that literally, but, like, apparently they did. But even if I did have a notes up, like, she was clearly very afraid of something coming out, because if somebody said they had notes on me, I'd be like, okay, like, what are. What are the notes? Like, I'm not worried about it, but she clearly was very worried. And so I think it was more. So let me keep attacking her so that she can't say anything about me, because the first day at the picnic, what did I do? I asked if she was a polygamist. Now, the real reason I asked that versus how it came off in the show is different, but it's the same issue, like, at heart.

[D]

Yeah. Why did you ask it?

[E]

Well, we're at a picnic, and I'm saying, like, joellen, what have you got going on these days? You know? And she just immediately went into, well, Kelsey's going through a really Hard time. And I was with Kelsey, and she's going through a really hard time, and she's saying things that don't make sense with the reality of what we know Kelsey's life to be. Like, suddenly, you're breaking up with your boyfriend and having to move out of this house. But you broke up with him two years ago. You moved out of this house two years ago. So, like, what are you. What is she talking about? So I'm thinking, is she back in a relationship with this older man? Is she moving back into the house? Like, I didn't understand, but of course, then I'm getting screamed at for asking any questions, so that's very confusing. So by the time I go to July 4th, I'm like, okay. Like, are we just, like, not talking about this clearly? Like, she lives in the house, and she's dating this guy. I mean, his kids don't seem to think she lives there. His ex wife doesn't think she lives there. The neighbors on the street don't think she lives there, but we're gonna say she lives there. Okay, fine. Like. But then it's, oh, Rosie's backing down from a fight. It was very confusing. That just kind of kept happening. And I think because she saw that I was gonna ask questions about that, it was like, let's go into attack mode, and I'm gonna attack her, so she can't keep asking questions about me.

[A]

Is there a rumor going around that she was actually broken up with this man long before the beginning of the show?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that true?

[E]

From what I know and keep in mind, like, I only know this from the neighbors, the friends, the family members. Like, I don't.

[A]

The whole community.

[E]

Well, I mean, not everyone in Rhode Island. I know everybody loves to throw that around, but I do like to get reliable sources. And, I mean, from what I'm hearing, they broke up over two years ago. She moved in with Billy, the new boyfriend. We're pretending she, like, barely knows the

[A]

vest with no sleeves.

[E]

Yes, yes. And he's actually a very nice boy, but. So I was under the impression she had moved out of this house two years ago and she was living with Billy and that she had broken up with this older man two years ago to be with Billi and that there was some overlap before that. And also, you know, I thought we were all aware that she had three jobs. She's a hairdresser. She does makeup, and she's, like, a manager at a building company in Cranston. She's on. She's still on the manager's website.

[A]

Kelsey, she hustles.

[E]

I mean, I would have liked to have seen that. But instead we're told she's a lady of leisure who's never worked. And so it was like, once I saw that, watching it, I was like, oh, oh, okay. So we're just, like, making this up, you know, I wish I had done that, you know, so it. That was where, like, all summer I was like, what is happening? And people were telling me, oh, it's projection. Oh, it's projection. I didn't fully get it until I saw it. And I was like, that's it. Like, that's what you're trying to hide. It just makes perfect sense now. So she came after my house, she came after my husband, she came after my career, all the things I said on the show.

[B]

So she now is saying that they are broken up, but he still is

[E]

paying for everything, which might actually be true. I wouldn't put that past her. But I don't know anything, obviously, about, like, their financial situation. All I know is she wasn't really living in the house and she wasn't really dating the older man. But I think that's a much better story to pitch than.

[A]

So is she even really a polygamist?

[E]

Well, I know when she was dating that older man, he has numerous girlfriends, like, across the country.

[D]

Would that be polygamy or would that just be an open relationship, part of a roster poly?

[E]

You know, I knew they had been dating for 10 years or something before they broke up. So I was like, that's common law marriage, right? Like, is that polygamy? Like, Like, I didn't want to be, like, offensive, but even.

[A]

But I wasn't, like, an ongoing three way relationship. Not like you're part of one man's roster with the freedom to sleep with other people because he is also sleeping with other people.

[E]

Over the summer, she did have the freedom to do that. That was another interesting thing. You know, I mean, it's very confusing and I don't understand it. I just know that I don't think she's jealous of my life. There may have been some jealousy that, like, I was given this opportunity and didn't have to lie. And, like, we're the closest in age, but I think it's more so just it was like a defense mechanism. And I feel really bad that she had to do that. Like, honestly, I lied about, like, little things. Like, I said it was, like, more Italian than I really was. And I was like, oh, my God, they're gonna find out and, like, hate me. And I told them. They're like, we don't care about that. Like, this, you know, who cares? Whereas having to lie about your whole life and, like, where you're living and who you're dating and what you do for work and trying to fit in to this thing when you don't really. I can see that being very stressful.

[A]

How come? Why do you feel like. We had the pleasure of meeting and talking to Liz, and she seems to be pretty close with Kelsey.

[E]

Oh, they're very close.

[A]

But Liz also strikes me as someone who's like, a no bullshitter.

[E]

I know it's very strange.

[A]

Kind of like, you know, straight shooter. Where do you think that disconnect is? Or why do you feel like Liz and Kelsey have hit it off so much the way they have?

[E]

Well, Liz knows the truth, but it's like a protection thing. And I think. I personally believe, based on conversations I've had with different cast members, some of which were involved with this, that there was kind of a pact before filming started. And you'll see. I mean, we were at the mass dinner, and I'm getting a backhanded compliment and I'm trying to take it in stride, and the three of them came at me, and that's not a normal reaction to what was going on, but it's because they agreed to have each other's back no matter what. And a lot of the times it did feel like three against one.

[D]

You're talking about Kelsey, Liz and Jo Ellen, right? Mm, yeah.

[B]

Got it.

[E]

And I think you'll see that kind of unravel as the season goes on. Copy, copy. But at its core, that's the situation.

[D]

Have you heard the song Girl so Confusing by Lorde and Charli X? Yeah. You should listen to it, because I do think that maybe that could be

[E]

where you got confused.

[D]

It's. It's so confusing sometime to be a girl. And I think that that might be what's happening between you and Kelsey.

[B]

Where do you land on all of the Joellen?

[E]

I don't have a problem with Joellen. I feel really bad for Rula. I think she's going through a lot. I think also, like, for people watching that are so quick to judge her and, like, oh, she's blaming the mistress, whatever. Like, obviously you'll see me have conversations with her later in the season about that. But at its core, this affair happened in 2024. You know, like, she found out about this in December of 2024, so now we're talking about it. It's June. It's July of 2025. She's been. Been trying to forgive her husband for months. It's not like this is a new thing that she's can't wrap her head around. So it's like she's trying to explain away why it's still a topic, I think more so than whether she's, like, not forgiving him or not.

[B]

So this isn't happening while y' all are filming from your knowledge.

[E]

So you'll see stuff happen that is, like, crazy later this season. It's like, is it still going on? I don't know.

[B]

I mean, him leaving the polo.

[E]

Yeah, well, her version's very different from that. What?

[B]

And he. And he came back without his wedding ring.

[E]

I don't think he ever wears his wedding ring. That's the part that I was like, he's like a foot surgeon. Like, surgeons never wear their wedding ring. I grew up with a doctor. Like, I know. You know what I mean? So I don't. That doesn't bother me as much as, I don't know, like, the video. The video. The video is, like, pretty alarming.

[A]

Have you seen the video?

[E]

Oh, I've seen it, and it's burned into my brain forever.

[A]

It's graphic.

[E]

It's not graphic. It's just. I mean, you saw me in last night's episode, and I literally said, like, how did Joellen get this video? And how did they orchestrate this? Because it's. It would be like. I don't know how much of the video I can, like, share, but it really was caught at the perfect moment in the perfect time, and she's, like, grabbing her butt in a cul de sac. Yeah. And so I. I definitely believe there was at least an emotional affair going on. I think maybe to some extent, it was like, we want to manage the situation. He was trying to manage that. Because if you have. I don't know if you've seen what's going on now, but she's like, this mistress is, like, still going hard on stuff, using old pictures, still, like, two years later doing different things. She, like, showed up to a derby party that my friend was hosting and was, like, telling everyone she's the mistress on Rory. And I was like, why are you doing that? Like, that's weird. But it's very much like an ongoing thing. But.

[B]

But the video was. I mean, it had.

[A]

We get a chance to see it.

[E]

I don't know if they're legally allowed to show it, but I will say, although we saw the Beginning.

[B]

Right. The beginning of it.

[E]

Of, like, you saw the part where. Yeah. It was, like, just the timestamp on the car. I will say this, like, as somebody that's had to, like, kind of sit out and, like, not necessarily do, like, sting operations, but you're waiting for somebody to show up, to interview them or to do whatever. It was very interesting that her friend just happened to be in the neighborhood in this cul de sac, and just happened to be parked in the perfect spot and just happened to have the phone recording to look at the date, to look up, to do whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if the mistress was in on it. And if she was, like, I'm gonna call this guy up, and he's gonna come over, and you have your camera ready. But I don't know. Like, you know, it's.

[A]

I mean, she was told to get proof.

[E]

To get proof, and so she did.

[B]

And also, it looked like.

[E]

Yeah, very quickly.

[B]

It looked like it was. Yeah.

[E]

Literally, like, I run right now.

[B]

Like, it looked like she was filming it from the passenger seat. So I wonder if I. I don't know.

[E]

I think it was the main.

[B]

Was it.

[E]

I mean, it's been a while since I've seen it. I also remember thinking, is this a love affair or, like, you're consoling her? I don't know. It's just. It's very. I mean, look, Brian, like, has up a lot. Like, this isn't breaking news by any means. But I do wonder how much of it was staged by people that wanted to prove their point and how much of it was real. Rula obviously seems to think it's all fake. Joellen thinks it's all real. I feel like maybe it's a little bit in the middle.

[A]

Yeah, but how does she. What do you mean, all fake? Like, if it's all fake or all from 2000.

[E]

Right. Like, all from. Because the affair was going on, I think, most of 2024. So let's say the mistress had pictures from that summer. Was she reusing them and making it look like they were this summer? Like, we don't know.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

All I know is that rulers try to make it work with Brian, and, like, I saw him a couple weeks ago, and they seem very in love.

[B]

So the show airing hasn't, like, affected.

[E]

I guess not.

[B]

Okay. That's good.

[E]

Maybe they're not watching it. I try not to watch it sometimes, too. So I get.

[D]

Well, it's a really good show.

[E]

Okay. That's what I hear.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Where do you stand with Joel in.

[E]

These days, me and Joel are fine. I thought we were actually, like, becoming really good friends until I saw everything she said in the after show and then on the record carpet and then like, in her press and then.

[A]

Can you remind me?

[E]

It was a lot of just like, I'm just the tackiest person ever. And just how so? Because I like to dress like this and I like to be cute. Thank you. But we're also in la. We're not in Rhode island, where it's like, you have to be a serious girl.

[A]

What's the Rhode island aesthetic?

[E]

I mean, I guess it's like a little nautical chic. There's also, like, a lot of leopard print. I wouldn't. I don't know, I never walked around thinking, like, wow, you're a little too over the top. Like, maybe sometimes, but I kind of liked it.

[D]

At least my view. I'm not from Rhode island, but, like, it seems like a bit over the top.

[E]

No, I would say it's pretty normal.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Like very. Just New England. Like, some people are. Some people are, you know, whatever. But even then I'm like, I don't have a problem with you all. And if she wants, she. I need to be the butt of her joke, like, that's fine. It doesn't make me want to, like, warm up to her more or, like, go out to lunch.

[A]

But have you met her mom?

[E]

I have met her mom. Her mom goes to the same blow dry place as me, and her mom's actually really nice. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I was caught off guard by. By her story about her. Yeah, it was like, it was a tough watch because usually I'm pretty. Like, you know, parents are doing their best.

[E]

Right.

[A]

You know?

[E]

No, I know.

[A]

I think you heard Joanna's story and you're like, jesus Christ.

[E]

Right?

[A]

Like, that's. That's trauma.

[E]

Yeah. And I think it also explains a lot. Like, she is her number one advocate. She's also very good at sales, which I don't mean that as an issue, Joel. Jo Ellen.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

But, like, she is a very good salesperson. And I think if you've been put in that situation numerous times as like a child slash teenager, you have to be able to advocate for yourself.

[A]

Yeah. You're a survivor. Survive some really terrible things.

[E]

Right. And, like, she is. She does have, like. And I'll tell her this to her face, like, she's like a dog with a bone. And anytime I say that, she says, ruff, ruff. She knows it's true.

[A]

And how do you mean that?

[E]

Well, it's like she just can't let it go. Like, you don't have to prove it to the point where you're so right that like, everyone else is dead. Like, you can just be like, I know I'm right and that's cool. But she really, I mean, you're kind of seeing it with Rule, although she's like being pretty nice about it, but rough, rough, rough. And that's. That's Joellen.

[A]

So before you were a housewife, you were in the news?

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Were you an anchor?

[E]

So everybody on the Internet says I only did traffic. And that's not true. I did traffic when I like to want to be there anymore. I. From 20, I started as an intern probably. So like 2010 to 2023, I was working first in radio, then I moved to news. So for almost 10 years I was a news reporter. Like full blown in the field, in the blizzard, at the crime scene, at the shooting, whatever it was, I was doing that. And then after Covid, I wanted to move home. I was in Florida at the time. I wanted to move home. And the Rhode island station had an opening for a traffic reporter and then a lifestyle show. And it was like, like such a cushiony job. Like, you want me to just stay in studio and like joke about the traffic we don't really have and then like interview some people in the afternoon? So I did that for a couple years and then I quit that and now I kind of just work for Rich's events company. Like, I'm one of the DJs on the roster and I just kind of

[A]

like, you're a dj?

[E]

I am a dj, yeah. Just a little bit. You're not like Kyle Cook? Yeah, they've already told me there's too many DJs. Well, I'm like, not doing it for that reason.

[A]

Who's the they?

[E]

The audience, everyone. The powers that be. They're like, there's too many DJs. I'm like, that's okay.

[A]

I saw Kyle Cook DJ for the first time.

[E]

Is he good?

[A]

He's pretty good, yeah.

[E]

I mean, it's not that hard to be a dj.

[A]

I wouldn't know. I don't want to diminish the craft.

[E]

Yeah, no, it's fun. It's a great job to have the vibes reviving. Yeah, it's very easy way to make money. It's fun. I do mostly gay weddings and like, you know, stuff like that. And now I'm here for out loud. That's why I'm in LA and able to do this with you guys because we have out loud music festival in June and I'm gonna DJ the 6 and the 7, so that'll be fun.

[D]

Beautiful.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you watching summer house?

[E]

I am watching summer house. Those are the shows I like. I like the valley like summer house, and I like southern charm.

[A]

And just what's your general take on everything going on? Are you following the recent.

[E]

So it's crazy to watch just as a viewer. I actually was asking one of the higher ups the other day. I was like, did you guys re edit this, like, once since the news came out? And they told me now, I don't know if they can be trusted, but I'm like, watching everything now. And I was seeing Amanda's reactions to stuff and I, I was like, they have to be re editing this. Like, there's no way.

[D]

Right.

[E]

Like, they have to be. And I don't think they are. I think it's actually just what happened. But it's. You see it differently once you realize what's happening now. Like, oh, this was going on then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you see how Sierra outed Jen Fest?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

What do you guys think about that?

[A]

I, I, she should have kept it

[E]

in her group chat.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

For Sierra or for Jen Festler?

[D]

Sierra.

[A]

Sierra. I mean, listen, Sierra, what does she care?

[E]

Why is she protecting people anymore?

[A]

I think she, I think she. Listen, if I'm, if I'm Sierra's friend, I just think she's going to eventually be like, I didn't need to do that. Like, I don't know. I don't know if it's true or untrue, but, like, at this point, Sierra already won.

[E]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

West, we, we, we don't think he is that guy anymore.

[E]

Well, did we ever think he was that guy? He was doing this years ago, too.

[A]

Potato, potato. But for anyone who was a fan, who was a fan, you know, I think overall everyone knows who's who.

[E]

Right. It's very clear. I think the Amanda of it all surprised everyone.

[A]

Yeah. And it's just kind of like, you know, we literally can't keep up with Sierra's successes right now. I mean, she is every day. It's. She's crushing it. And it's just like you're still giving so much energy to this guy in a way, and now you're kind of bringing in another family. And I don't know what Jen Fessler and her relation and her husband have going on. Who knows? It's just more like it just seemed a bit unnecessary. And I. I get it. I've been Sierra. I know where it's coming from.

[E]

It's just so bad. And it's always better just not to.

[B]

What's been, like, the thing that you most want to respond to to, like, correct fans.

[E]

I mean, anytime somebody's like, well, she

[D]

slept with a higher up, so she

[E]

deserves all of this stuff, it's like, well, you're gonna see the documentation at the rein. And that that didn't happen. So I actually hadn't heard that rumor until I watched the show. I had only ever heard about this affair with a basketball coach I had never met. And that was what was screamed at me a lot.

[A]

That you had an affair with a basketball coach.

[E]

Yeah, it's a whole thing. I've never met him. It's been four years. Not one picture has surfaced. I actually emailed his team probably, like 10 times over the course of the summer. And I was like, can you please release a statement saying we've never met because I don't know you. And, like, it's just, you know, where

[A]

is this coming from?

[D]

From?

[E]

So when I went on medical leave it's like 2023, like the spring of 2023, I guess. And keep in mind, I don't know him. So this is just what I've heard and what I've pieced together. I've also not been able to find any of the police reports. I really, like, did a deep dive, but I guess he was having an affair with a student reporter at that college. They get in a car crash, and for whatever reason it was buried. Nobody ever, you know, he's like a pretty big guy in Rhode Island, I guess. Then of course, the rumors start in Rhode island, and it started basketball coach, student reporter, car crash. Then I go on medical leave. And I guess because I was gone and there was all these vlogs like, where is Rosie? Where is Rosie?

[D]

Oh, they thought you were.

[E]

It turned into. Well, I wasn't a student reporter, but it definitely turned into, like, basketball coach, reporter, car crash. And then somehow it became basketball coach, traffic reporter. That's why she got traffic. Yeah. And so I actually thought it was, like, really funny four years ago when I heard about this, or three or four years ago and I heard about it. Like, who could ever believe that? But it's. I mean, people are believing it.

[D]

Then you got housewives. Yeah.

[E]

And now it's screamed at me, like, every day. But I can promise we've never met. And, like, I don't how I'm curious

[A]

because Like, I think being on reality TV is. Is. Is hard. And I think fans don't fully appreciate how much all of you give for our entertainment. Yeah, but going into being a housewife, what conversations did you have with your husband. Husband. About, like, you know, what you guys were about to embark on.

[E]

And.

[A]

And we've seen, you know, like, reality TV has ruined marriages.

[E]

Yeah, it just.

[A]

It just has. And how do you guys go about making sure it doesn't?

[E]

Well, for one, Rich loves the show. Like, Rich is the show's number one fan. He is, like, on Twitter, like you wouldn't believe, reading everything. He'll, like, text me and be like, okay, it's like, looking better for you. It's like we're at, like, 70, and I'm like, rich, like, leave me alone. I, like, I'm not going on the Internet. He, like, will text the producers to tell them, like, this was such a great edit. Like, your choice in, like, minute 2803. Like, you did, you know, he's, like, really into it. He loves all that stuff. So he had never seen any of these shows before. I think we were probably naive in the sense that, you know, I had been on the news for a million years, so other than, like, the random rumors you'd hear, I mean, there was also a rumor I had an affair with my gay co Host, who was 50 years old, who had been gay for 30 years before I joined the show. So, like, this wasn't like, an unusual thing. I just kind of didn't think much of it. Like, they don't have anything on me. Yeah, I knew that. Like, I can prove anything that I say. I don't lie. As, like, a general rule of thumb, I might be too brutally honest, but, like, I'm never gonna just, like, straight up make stuff up. So we kind of felt good, you know. He had been in radio for a really long time before he opened his events company. So we were like, we've done this before. Like, what is there gonna be? Whatever. He definitely was like, wow, you cry a lot more than, like, I thought you would. Before the show, he'd see me cry, like, one time, and then it was like, every day I would cry. And he was like, what are we doing here now? But we're like, great. Like, it's. It's never going to be an issue of, like, I would say the home build was, like, very stressful. We didn't necessarily have any talks beforehand, but we have had to have talks during and after because he's like, you don't understand construction. And, like, now, like, they're saying we're lying about it. We're not. But it's like, well, if I had known they were going to attack me for this, I would have really studied up, and I would have known, like, every inch of, like, whatever, but I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And so now he's like, if you're asked about this, you say it's 5,000 square feet for product. Like, you know, he's like, very. So I had to say, like, certain things about that. And then obviously, I would be like, can you hurry up with this? Like, I need to be able to reveal this thing so people stop telling me, like, this or that. But we're, like, good. You know, we also don't have kids. I don't know if we're going to have kids. That was, like, kind of an awkward conversation on the show. We did agree to, like, share our whole lives, so we're just kind of doing that.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I'm very interested in you being, like, coming from news and stuff and going housewives. Yeah. Do you think that's something, like, affected the way you, like, went into it?

[E]

Yeah, I went into it with this mindset of, like, I will never say anything that I can't prove. Like, I would never say anything on TV that I can't. Yeah. Like, I.

[B]

Ethics.

[E]

Like, I don't know. That's not the case on these shows. Like, you can say whatever you want, and then it's the other person's job to, like, panic and figure it out. That was a really hard, hard thing to learn. So not great, obviously, but I. I still kind of stand by that. I also, like, wasn't expecting there to. And this is, like, so naive, but I wasn't expecting there to be, like, so much turmoil and so much drama. Like, it would say, the day we went on the slide was, like, the best day ever. Me and Ashley had the best time. And, like, everyone else hated it. We were like, finally, we're having fun. But, yeah, it was super weird, like, coming from a news background. And. And I think I do have a more logical brain that tends to get me in trouble here. And there was just a lot of stuff. And there was a lot of stuff that's, like, it's not said, but you're supposed to understand it. And, like, I don't understand it.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

You know?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Like, the unspoken rules of certain things, so I had to kind of learn that, too. And that was hard.

[A]

Do you have you felt more Compelled to buy into, like, you know, we see it on the Valley, you know, like, this most recent episode, like, Janet is out there. Like. Like, you know, the Notes app thing where you. You're just like, you're looking for on your peers.

[E]

I mean, there's definitely people doing that, you know, I mean, I think it's pretty funny. And maybe this is just projection again, but even this whole story of, like, there was a Notes app and, like, I was digging for Jerd and whatever. Well, don't you think after weeks of being screamed at, if I really had anything juicy, I would have exposed them? Like, the reality is every time I went to an event, I was attacked for something. So were they the ones with the Notes app? Like, I can promise you they've never been in my phone, so they wouldn't know. But it is kind of like projection again, where it's like, oh, you're the victim, of course. Like, you. I had the Notes app. I was the one with all the dirt. But every time it was like, she's having an affair with this person. She's having an affair with this person. This is a lie. She's a lie. Her husband is gay. Like, you name it, it was thrown at me. So was it the other way around? Like, were you guys the ones with the Notes app? Like, I don't know.

[A]

Despite. Despite all the drama. Well, also, congratulations. You guys were announced a year ago.

[E]

Isn't that crazy? So thank you. It would be weird if they didn't.

[A]

It would be super weird. But are you. Can we.

[C]

Can we.

[A]

Are you. You will be part of season two?

[E]

Yeah. Like, I. I really don't know. I think we'll go to the reunion and we'll figure it out. We're filming it pretty soon, and, like,

[A]

are you excited, or do you feel like you have a lot to come in and say to defend yourself? Like, what. What is your energy going into the room?

[E]

Reunion. I feel very comfortable going in because, I mean, look, I can be, like, sassy with the best of them, and I'll say, like, snarky things, whatever, but I've never accused someone of anything that I can't prove. 100 even, like, sitting here today, I could prove any of the stuff that I've said, whereas they can't prove any of the stuff they've said about me. And I have the documentation to back it up. So I'll just bring my receipts to the reunion. I have had to learn through this process that, like. Like, I can't keep waiting for their approval or Understanding, because I'm going to bring everything, and they're going to still tell me that I'm a liar and a loser and, like, whatever else. So I just have to kind of do it for myself and be like, okay, well, I've said my piece now, and it's cool that you still hate me. Like, that's.

[A]

Who do you feel hates you in this group?

[E]

Kelsey definitely hates me at this point. I don't even try with her. Like, when we go to group things, I. I don't say hi. Like, it's not worth it. Like, I go up and I get, like, a face of disgust, and it's just kind of like, okay, how many times am I supposed to do this? Where you keep going up and saying hi, and it's, like, rude. So I don't even go up and say hi anymore. And she doesn't come over to me. I was with Liz a couple weeks ago for Fenway, and it was like, I tried to give her a hug, and it was like a corpse body. And then it was like these weird noises like she was dying, you know, and, like, we had to stand next to each other for a picture, and it was like, I don't want to sit here. Like, it was like, this whole thing about, like, I don't want to be. And it's like, okay, but, like, I get it. You're best friends with Kelsey. She is your best friend on the show, so. All right. I don't think Jo Ellen hates me. I think. I mean, she's actually pretty nice about me on Watch what Happens Live last night, from what I saw. But she also does have loyalty to these two other people. Luckily for me, me and Alicia are very good friends. We talk every day. Me and Ashley are very good friends. We talk every day almost. And. And I've actually formed somewhat of a friendship with Rule. I really like her. I feel really bad for her, you know, So I have friends. Yeah, Like, I do have friends. It's hard, though, because other than Ashley sticking up for me, like, later in the season, it was a lot of just, like, me versus these three girls, and they'll always have each other's back. And I'm just kind of left there to be like, all right. And that's why in the beginning, you just kept seeing me kind of back down. Cause it was very confusing. I had never gotten the memo of the things that we were pretending about or that they were. Were helping to cover up. And then I was like, oh, like, everybody's, like, just kind of upset like, it was very weird, so.

[A]

Well, I don't, I, I, I hope that you stick around and, And I also feel like, to whatever you feel like this season didn't go the way you wanted or expected, that this franchise does a great job of, of mixing it up.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And this packed well, you know, like, for example, Beverly Hills Housewives, we were just talking about, like, you know, Bose was like team Dorit.

[E]

Right.

[A]

You know, and maybe. Unless team Dorit now. And I wouldn't be shocked if Bose is not team Dorit.

[E]

Oh, really?

[A]

Next season. Well, like, sometimes, you know, like, it's.

[E]

Things change.

[A]

Things change. Sometimes they say things. It gets really hard to back up, you know?

[E]

Well, I mean, it was just a couple weeks ago at the red carpet that Joann and Kelsey were laughing and saying how they tried to break me all summer, as if this was like, so funny. Like, yeah, we tried to break her, like, haha. Which is a really weird thing to say about someone, but, like, on par for, you know, what I experienced. At least they're confirming that they did try to do that, but now it's kind of shifted to Kelsey still doing that, but Jo Ellen kind of being more neutral and it's. I hope me and Joellen can be friends because we were becoming friends over the fall and I thought we were fine, but I think, you know, would

[B]

you expect or need an apology from Joellen to move forward?

[E]

No, I, I have accepted that. Like, she likes to. She thinks it's really funny to just have these jabs, and a lot of them are really funny. Most of them are at my expense, which is, like, not ideal. But I, I jab at other people too. Like, don't give me a story about the sugar baby jokes I can make, you know, like, so I think that's

[D]

what you just have to do. With Joellen, though, it's probably just like, jab her back.

[E]

I know. I don't really think that's my thing. Like, I'm trying to make, like, genuine friendships.

[D]

Yeah, fair enough.

[A]

Good Sugar baby joke. You want to share?

[E]

Yeah, I have so many.

[D]

If you want to.

[E]

It would have to be like, in the moment. I'm not like, a comedian like that. If, like, something was happening, I'd be like, you know. Yeah, but there's plenty we could do. But yeah, like, we'll see. Like, I think it's. It's going to be great. They always tell us they're casting, I think, to probably just scare us, which is like, it is scary when they say that, but I'm just going to go into the reunion and see what happens. And if I don't want to come back, then I won't. I'll go back to my nice life.

[A]

I have a pretty good, you know, attitude about it.

[E]

Yeah, I have a lot of therapy. Okay, well, you need it here.

[A]

I've loved you on it. I think again, I think the whole cast is great.

[E]

Have you guys seen episode eight yet?

[A]

No.

[E]

You're gonna love me after episode eight. No, I think you might actually like. I'm being told it's very good.

[D]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

So far, it's just a lot of talking about you and we see moments of you, but we really. I don't think we've really, like, now just sitting here with you on this couch. There's obviously, like, a lot more to you.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And like you said, the way maybe you present or the way you talk in snippets, it's very easy to paint a picture in your head about anyone.

[E]

Right. Of course.

[A]

You know, and I love.

[E]

She's my little Valley girl voice. And I love to be silly.

[A]

Are you from the Valley?

[E]

No, I'm from Massachusetts. I just want to be from the Valley.

[B]

But you have your news anchor voice, right?

[E]

Well, that's a very different voice. I was like, very deep and serious. And I almost think that sometimes I like, I've like, reverted back because now that I'm not doing that, I'm like, I can be fun and I can be silly and maybe I take it too far sometimes.

[D]

I don't know what would be a read that you could give a housewife in a news anchor voice if you

[E]

had a teleprompter here, I would do it all day long. I mean, you kind of saw it, right? Wasn't I doing it at the Studio 54 party? You were reporting live. Like, that was crazy. Yeah, it was.

[A]

Well, Rosie, it's been so much fun.

[E]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Is there anything we didn't get to ask you or you want to put out there or anything you want to discuss?

[E]

I don't think so. I think we covered it. You know what? I'll leave here and be like, ah, okay.

[A]

Well, you can always come back.

[E]

Yeah, I would love to come back.

[A]

We really enjoy you and the cast. It's been fun to get to know. You come back anytime.

[E]

I will.

[A]

You're a friend of the show. So anything you want to promote?

[E]

Well, I do want to promote the Out Loud music festival in June. It's in West Hollywood. They still have tickets available. It's going to be such a great Pride weekend. You'll be DJing, I'll be DJing and Countess Luanne will be there. Lots of people. Pussycat Dolls, Avril Lavigne or no wait, Ashley Simpson. My bad.

[D]

Take me back.

[A]

Rosie, it's been so much fun.

[E]

Thank you. This is great.

[A]

Thank you to our guest Rosie and all of you for listening. We will see you back on Thursday. So we will see you. See you then. Bye bye. The Bathhouse is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills.

[E]

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