E1129 - Ally Lewber and Alison from Perfect Match, Exploring Rulla and Brian, Kyle And Amanda's Photoshoot

Summary

The Viall Files – Episode 1129

Ally Lewber and Alison from Perfect Match, Exploring Rulla and Brian, Kyle & Amanda's Photoshoot

Date: May 20, 2026
Host: Nick Viall (with Natalie Joy, Susie, Danielle, Fiona, and others)

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Episode Overview

This reality recap episode is jam-packed with analysis of the latest in pop culture and reality television. Nick and the Household are joined by Alison and Ally Lewber from Perfect Match to dive deep into behind-the-scenes details and relationship dynamics, while also breaking down major Bravo headlines. Key topics include the fallout of Kyle and Amanda’s photoshoot post-divorce, wild dinner dates on Real Housewives of Rhode Island, the Rulla/Brian relationship saga, sugar baby/alimony ethics, and the latest drama from Perfect Match. Authenticity in reality TV and personal growth in relationships are recurring themes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kyle & Amanda’s Photoshoot Fallout

[03:56–10:02]

• Fans’ Overreaction: The group debates the backlash over divorced couple Kyle and Amanda attending and posing together at a premiere. Natalie observes Amanda looked “like she had been crying all day” in the photos.
• Empathy Post-Separation: Nick notes, “Now that they're separated, they are able to find empathy for each other,” reflecting on how expectations shift post-breakup.
• Public vs. Personal: The panel distinguishes between fan expectations and real-life healing, with Nick urging, “Those people… they are not your friends. They don't want to see you move on…” ([04:34])
• Memorable Quote:
  • “They want everyone to stay in their hatred and their pain and anger. They don’t want healing. They just want…to burn it all to the fucking ground.” — Nick ([04:34])
• Kyle’s Statement:
  • Nick reads Kyle’s Instagram response about being criticized for taking a photo with Amanda, ending: “Grow the fuck up.” ([09:31])

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2. Real Housewives of Rhode Island: Rulla, Brian, and Feuds

[14:04–26:22]

• Team Rosie vs. Team Kelsey: The cast picks sides in the Rosie/Kelsey feud, projecting future housewife alliances.
• Messy Drama as Classic TV: Danielle reminisces about the rawness of “OG Housewives” and compares current scenes for authenticity and messiness.
• Brian’s Suspect Behavior: Natalie and Danielle outline Brian's clumsy excuses on camera and speculate about his suspicious ‘work calls,’ probable affairs, and “housewife husband” antics.
  • “That man is an orthopedic surgeon.” — Nick ([16:52])
• Brian Over-serving Rulla: The panel cringes at Brian bragging about serving double drinks to his now-wife on their first date.
  • “He’s not old enough to be in that generation, but I think there’s a generation of people that thought that would be like a really funny joke…” — Fiona ([17:21])
• Practice after Reality TV: Danielle and Fiona debate whether Brian’s notoriety helps or hurts his medical business, ultimately suggesting curiosity probably benefits small-town practices.

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3. Sugar Baby Ethics & Power Dynamics

[20:47–24:32]

• Kelsey’s Ex Paying Bills: The Household discusses Kelsey’s ex-sugar daddy continuing to pay for her rent, health, and car insurance post-breakup.
• Power Imbalance:
  • Nick: “The power dynamic in a relationship where you can’t literally afford to have them tell you no…it’s a very powerless position to be in.” ([22:06])
• Alimony for Sugar Babies: The group debates whether long-term “sugar babies” should qualify for something akin to alimony, citing real emotional and economic costs.

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4. Friendship, Enemies, and Reality TV Cycles

[15:26–16:59]

• From Enemies to Friends: Parallels between Bravo friendships/feuds (Vicki/Tamra, Meredith/Lisa) and the unpredictable cycles of reality TV relationships.
• Realism in Rivalries: Susie reflects on never having an "enemy-turned-friend" in real life, underlining TV’s exaggeration.

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5. Perfect Match: Game Play and Emotional Truth

[30:25–51:51]

• Game Playing vs. Genuine Connection: Nick and Fiona ponder whether playing ‘games’ is essential to sparking romantic interest both in and outside the show.
• Nick’s Own Love Story: A personal aside where Nick and Natalie humorously dissect the early days of their relationship, including “house shopping” for each other's opinions ([39:15]) and the “delulu” (delusional) line in romantic persistence.
• Key Insight:
  • “Game playing…is a way to manufacture caring in a way that we don’t have the history to care about.” — Nick ([36:56])
• On Being Delusional (Delulu):
  • “I think it’s more delusional when you stop your life for them… I was still living my life.” — Natalie ([44:34])

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Interviews: Alison & Ally Lewber from Perfect Match

Alison Interview Highlights

[52:10–66:20]

• On Chris’ Love Bombing:
  • “I don’t know why he would bring a Louis Vuitton wallet to give to someone that he just met.” — Alison ([53:28])
• Gift Giving Commentary: She laughs off Chris’s habit but admits it’s a bit of a red flag, finding his intentions earnest but “a little much.”
• Vulnerability vs. Games: Alison drew boundaries at the singles mixer—“That’s my boundary. Follow it or don’t, but you won’t end up my boyfriend if you do that, for sure.” ([55:28])
• Dealing with Inauthenticity: She found Yemen “so rude and disrespectful,” theorizing he was motivated more by strategy/gameplay than genuine connection ([54:17], [59:10]).
• Competition & Authenticity: Alison tried to avoid being boring while staying true to herself, refusing to fake relationships.
• Possessiveness in the House: She recounts Marissa’s intensity: “She definitely was like, ‘That’s my man’…before they even started talking.” ([61:36])
• Bad Reality TV Edit:
  • “Thank God. My last show, I looked like such an asshole…I swear I’m not.” — Alison ([62:49])

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Ally Lewber Interview Highlights

[69:09–94:32]

• Showing Her True Self: Ally felt Perfect Match let her be herself, contrasting with her earlier appearances on Bravo:
  • “It’s me!…I just know I had a lot of fun.” ([69:26])
• Emotional Affairs vs. Physical Cheating:
  • When asked if she’d rather her boyfriend cuddle another woman all night or get a drunken blowjob:
    • “The cuddling!…That’s so intimate.”
• Bonding with Jimmy:
  • “Over time, [the connection] grew into something more… we became friends, then more.”
  • Describes herself as “la la land,” but always “with feet on the ground.”
• Reactions to Her Ex Becoming a Father:
  • “Shocked, but also not really…he always moved quickly.”
  • Denies timing correlation with her Perfect Match casting.
• Sarcasm & Communication: Ally found her humor sometimes missed by castmates, especially Jimmy, who “is very sensitive” ([76:16]).
• Astrology Segment: Ally shares details on trending astrological placements and how skepticism differs between regions. She remains unfazed by stigma:
  • “I do think there’s always a little bit of a stigma…I’m not here to make people believe…If you believe, it’s fun regardless.” ([82:29])
• Thoughts on Scandals & Bravo Connections:
  • “History repeats itself” — on Bravo romantic scandals ([83:24])
  • Discusses astrological signs for Summer House cast and parallel scandals.

Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I feel like we see your personality so much on Perfect Match that we didn’t really get to see on Vanderpump.” — Natalie ([69:17])
• On being underestimated:
  • “You present as light and feathery…but you are really good at setting your boundaries.” — Nick ([73:30])

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Notable Quotes

• “Those people…are not your friends. They don’t want to see you move on because they're unwilling to move on themselves.” — Nick ([04:34])
• “Game playing…is a way to manufacture caring.” — Nick ([36:56])
• "It's more delusional when you stop your life for them… I was still living my life.” — Natalie ([44:34])
• “The power dynamic…where you can’t literally afford to have them tell you no…is a very powerless position.” — Nick ([22:06])
• “He’s a housewife himself.” — Danielle, on Brian ([17:26])
• “You need the tools…for the at-home haircut.” — Nick ([25:35])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kyle & Amanda Drama: [03:56–10:02]
• Housewives of Rhode Island Feuds: [14:04–26:22]
• Sugar Baby/Alimony Debate: [20:47–24:32]
• Perfect Match Recap & Game Theory: [30:25–51:51]
• Alison Interview: [52:10–66:20]
• Ally Lewber Interview: [69:09–94:32]
• Astrology & Bravo Talk: [81:00–86:45]

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Episode Takeaways

• The line between reality TV and “reality” is blurry; fans’ parasocial investment often harms real healing for participants.
• Authenticity vs. gameplay is a constant tension in the dating show world. The most successful (and likable) contestants are those with clear boundaries but willing to be vulnerable.
• Pop culture scandals repeat, both in storyline and astrological cycles—sometimes history really does echo itself.
• Both Alison and Ally Lewber emerge as strong, self-aware voices who bring depth (and entertainment) to the often chaotic, performative world of reality TV.
• Empathy, self-care, and living life on your own terms are key themes, whether discussing relationship drama, reality TV feuds, or just choosing which wig to wear to dinner.

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Transcript

[Ally]

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[Nick]

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[Susie]

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[Danielle]

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[Danielle]

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[Danielle]

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[Nick]

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[Danielle]

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[Ally]

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[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another bonus episode of the VI Files reality recap edition. I don't know why I said bonus. We're here all the time, but we're here today also. Nally, she's back. Everybody, round of applause.

[Natalie]

I thought I was going into labor yesterday, guys, but baby's still intact, so

[Susie]

still safe and sound.

[Natalie]

Still. Still bacon sound.

[Nick]

Susie is back in the studio because we got some more Perfect Match to digest, talk about and get all into tomorrow. We got Sierra returning because obviously there's another Summer House episode that is going to grace other television sets. And Sierra, obviously, as a big Summer House super fan, we are going to have a lot to get.

[Susie]

Mm.

[Nick]

We have a jam packed episode. Super jam packed as always. We have Alison from Perfect Match. We also have Ali Luber from Perfect Match. And I know her last name because we've been following her on Bravo for a long time and she's absolutely fantastic this season. So very excited to talk with them both. And I hope you are as excited as we are for you to listen to all the things that are going on in the Perfect Match house. Lots of drama, lots of things to get into. And we will do that. Don't forget that Vile Files plus is now ad free. So you get all your favorite Vile Files episodes ad free if that is something you enjoy. Also, we have our reality recap Deep Dives. We dive deep into all your favorite reality TV topics, your pop, extra roundups where we talk about all like Pete Davidson being, you know, like, is he. Is he into dadhood? I don't know. Doesn't sound like it. Maybe according to his now ex.

[Danielle]

You know, I want to talk about clavicular pop.

[Nick]

Okay, sure. About him or just the manosphere toxicity kind of thing?

[Danielle]

All of it. I'm fascinated by anybody's perspective on clavicular. I don't follow that man.

[Fiona]

But he's.

[Danielle]

What do you mean by fascination? Like, how are we supporting this man?

[Nick]

But also that's Yeah. I mean, I agree.

[Fiona]

I think it's, like, hate watching because he's getting. There's so many views. But, like, does he actually have supporters?

[Nick]

Sadly, no. I think he does. And they're young.

[Danielle]

He does.

[Nick]

Which is crazy for. For. For people who are.

[Danielle]

And he's doing wild stuff, too.

[Fiona]

Like, it's just injecting people with stuff.

[Danielle]

I think he's, like, ODing on camera. Like, there's just a lot that I'm like, well, we'll talk about it on pop.

[Susie]

We'll talk about it more.

[Fiona]

We need more good male role models.

[Nick]

Literally.

[Fiona]

Yeah. Step up, guys.

[Nick]

So to check out five files plus go to my files.com and sign up. You'll be glad that you did. We also have the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. That dinner date was wild. With rules, Husband.

[Susie]

I think we're.

[Nick]

We're.

[Susie]

We're cooking with some of the finest ingredients we've gotten in the Bravo kitchen in a while.

[Fiona]

No, I was like, this is so out of touch. And I. I honestly, at first I

[Ally]

was like, is this editing?

[Fiona]

But then I was like, no, there was no cut. When she looked at the. From the opposite side of the table, I was like, there's no cut there.

[Nick]

Alicia, like, she knew. She was like, this is weird.

[Fiona]

It was wild.

[Danielle]

It reminded me of, like, OG Housewives, where, like, you're watching conversations that you're like, wow. You wouldn't think that people would bring this on tv. Even, like, Alicia, when she was supposed to be the one to show the video and, like, her walking in there and not showing the video, but then also being like, I don't have the energy to.

[Susie]

I just couldn't be the one to, like, do it. I couldn't.

[Danielle]

I feel like we haven't seen this kind of TV in a while.

[Susie]

Yeah, It's. These are just authentic women really, really living their lives, and this is who they are.

[Danielle]

It's messy. Messy, too.

[Fiona]

I know. It's.

[Susie]

I mean, it's good.

[Nick]

It's really, really good.

[Fiona]

It is very interesting.

[Nick]

We had the in the City premiere last night, and Bravo nation is just up in arms. They can't possibly comprehend the fact that Kyle and Amanda took a picture together. So weird. What's weird? That they took a picture together or the Bravo fans are upset?

[Natalie]

No, that Bravo fans are upset. They were married.

[Susie]

They've been together.

[Allison]

I know.

[Natalie]

And you could tell even in the photos, like, Amanda is a beautiful woman. You could tell in those photos she had been crying all day.

[Ally]

Oh.

[Natalie]

Like, you could see it in her face. She did not. She didn't. And then Kyle coming out and saying, like, she. I didn't even think she was going to show up. She didn't want to come. It's like, it all makes sense. And of course they lean on each other.

[Allison]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But, like, the fact that so many fans are upset about it, those people, they're not your friends. Those are the. If, like, you know what's one of the most famous sayings out there? There's many, but there's a one. Misery loves company. You know, it's true. And reality TV fans love it even more. You know, like, they don't want anyone to move on. They want everyone to stay in their hatred and their pain and anger. They don't want healing, they just want. They want to burn it all to the fucking ground. And those people are just. They are not your friends. They don't want to see you move on because they're unwilling to move on themselves.

[Natalie]

But what's crazy is Wes Wilson's podcast got, like, nominated or won some sports award, and everyone's like, well, that's crazy. But we're mad that Amanda took a photo with her ex husband.

[Fiona]

I also, I feel like we have to give credit to Kyle. Like, I feel like he's been really cool throughout all of this. Like, he could totally be throwing her under the bus.

[Susie]

I mean, he better be cool. That's the way he treated her.

[Danielle]

I also didn't see people being mad at them being photographed together. I just think they were more like, oh, my God. This is like one of the first times Amanda has done, like a public appearance to the scale. And then they were also like, oh, Kyle is also taking the photo with them. But also they've been cordial throughout this whole divorce.

[Nick]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of people upset.

[Natalie]

He made a statement.

[Nick]

Yeah, he had to, like, he had to go on and, like, defend his actions. It was great.

[Susie]

I have a question, though. Did you. I don't think we've discussed this. The fuck ass Bob Wigg that Amanda was wearing out to dinner the other

[Fiona]

day, was that really her?

[Natalie]

How do we not know? That was not like a themed birthday party.

[Danielle]

Nobody else was.

[Susie]

In a way, nobody else is in it.

[Fiona]

There's off.

[Natalie]

What if they're like, oh, mine's itchy. I'm going to put mine in my purse?

[Susie]

No, she literally wore the same wig that Ellie the Elephant wore for her opening at Barclays Arena.

[Natalie]

Like, it's. But if she was trying to be like, if she was trying to hide incognito. She wouldn't have sat in a booth facing the restaurant. She would have had her back to the restaurant. She would have like and not looked at anyone if she didn't want this story to be out there. Clearly it's not that.

[Nick]

A total idiot. You know, you have to be a

[Susie]

total for sure her, to be honest. Don't care if it's her. I think you want it to be her. I just want it to be. I want. I want the story of Amanda B. Stepping out in New York City in a Edna mode wig to be true.

[Danielle]

Here's my one take of why I try to convince myself that it wasn't real. It's because I was like Amanda Batula, despite everything else, knows a good wig. I feel like or like, knows fashion. And I feel like that was like a wig that I was like, this did not look good.

[Natalie]

Every weekend and throw a party. They're wearing a wig every weekend during summer house. Throwing a party.

[Danielle]

Knows, like, at least to some extent to find a good.

[Susie]

Okay. But also, like, might be helping, like, glam. They got people helping them with those wigs on Summer house.

[Natalie]

They are in their room putting that together. Sierra's like, taping her boobies together for the glam. We see.

[Susie]

From what we see, we don't know what's going on.

[Natalie]

There's no way they're bringing in glam to edit. I mean, we saw Amanda be like, happy birthday, Kyle. I'm bringing you in a makeup artist to do your grandpa makeup. And that was, like, part of the storyline.

[Nick]

So I do think there is something to be said about the fact that, like, again, I think Kyle was probably not an awesome partner to Amanda.

[Fiona]

Right.

[Nick]

But I do feel like Amanda was also mean to Kyle. And at some point. When did it all start? Whose fault was it? I don't know. Probably both of theirs. But I do.

[Danielle]

Probably both. Yeah.

[Nick]

I do think it's. I think now, like, Amanda kind of has to be nice to Kyle. They're also divorced or separated. So, like, whatever. Whatever expectations that Amanda had of Kyle, her husband, she probably ceased having them. And so she has no reason to be frustrated or angry. And again, even if Amanda has every reason to be frustrated at Kyle, I'm just like, there is something to be said about, like, you just at the end of the day, if you're not nice to your partners, they're eventually going to hate each other.

[Fiona]

Yeah, well, it's a bad psycho.

[Nick]

It does feel like now that they're separated, they are able to find that empathy for each other. And especially now that, like, Kyle can kind of be the hero a little bit. I am glad. I mean, I do feel like that is bare minimum, and I'm glad Kyle's doing it. And I've. You know, I'm. I think Kyle's an all right. I don't know him that well. I've been able to talk to him recently a little bit. I think he's an interesting guy, and I think there's more to him than we've been able to see on our TV screen. But, yeah, it is. It is kind of interesting. I am glad he is not piling on, but I do think it's also, like, bare minimum. Like, it would be kind of tacky, if you want.

[Danielle]

We do have his statement or quote, unquote statement after the premiere, Mary, if you want to read it.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Susie]

So Kyle hopped on Instagram and said, guys, yes, Amanda and I took a picture together. I was just happy that she showed up. She almost didn't come to a show that she participated in. Shoot me. Shoot me. But don't call my life, my relationship, my marriage, and my implosion of a marriage fake. Guys, with all due respect, we're all adults here. And we all showed up to a premiere party, and, yes, Amanda did not want to come, and I convinced her to come, and we took a photo together. Grow the fuck up.

[Nick]

That's the thing. Fans are calling you.

[Susie]

Should be fun.

[Allison]

Okay.

[Fiona]

This is. There's so much conspiracy theory with reality tv. Like, even the stuff from the Temptation island reunion, the comments on my page of people being like, this is fake. These people are like, these aren't real relationships. And I'm like, these are real.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

Like, people think. People think the Bachelor's fake all the time. I'm like, no, it's literally real. Like, it's our real lives. But that's. It's so weird that people think all this is staged. I'm like, you think people would blow up their reputation for, like, a. They're not even getting paid. They're actually, like, getting. She's not getting paid for this. You know, I wonder what you guys

[Susie]

think of this, because it's like, think about, like, in real life, when you have a crush on someone and you go crazy. Yeah, that on tv must be amplified. Amplified and insane.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Like, what is that? Like, what does that do to your. Do to you? You know what I mean? And, like, in the way that, like, this stuff ends up.

[Fiona]

Get into therapy. Yeah, I've been in therapy for Three years.

[Nick]

It'll set them back a couple years emotionally, you know, they have to recalibrate their whole, like, nervous system, you know, like that, that is a definitely a real thing, you know, like usually when you're stuck on something or someone, you just have to kind of get rid of the friends, you know, because what happened, like when you're upset about something, you're heartbroken or whatever, you find your people that you can commiserate with who will listen to you, like talk about it ad nauseam over and over. Many of those people who are off, who that are willing to listen have their own shit, you know, so they like listening to your pain because like, that's how humans work. And to move on, sometimes you have to distance yourself from that cohort of people, right, who like, obsessively want to hear your obsession. You have to break away or, or you just have to find the friend who's like, hey, it's time to stop talking about it. But yeah, it's hard because if your friend group is the Internet and the fan base of people who like, really honestly don't want you to move on, you know, until they're ready and they. And you know, there's always someone not ready to move on. It's really impossible. I mean, there's people like years later who remind you of something that happened years ago on reality tv. You know, it's. It's a thing like Carlos King said. I mean, I think this, this is going to be like Tom Sandoval. It's like still part. It's his legacy now. Amanda, it's like, right? It is. Her whole job is on tv, you know, summer house in the city now. And this is, it's going to be a tough, it's going to be a tough hip hill battle. So let her take a picture with her ex husband. Like, damn, you guys are like acting like that's a win.

[Danielle]

I saw it and I didn't question it. I was like, this is just what people do on a cast at a premiere party. Even if you're not friends or whatever, you just take the photo.

[Susie]

I was like, it's press.

[Danielle]

Like press.

[Susie]

Yeah. I didn't think.

[Natalie]

Why is no one mad that Lindsay took a group photo with Amanda?

[Fiona]

You know, like, yeah, it'd be more weird if Kyle and Amanda were standing near each other and people are like a picture together and they're like, no, no, right? Like, that video would go so viral and people would be like, they're, there's beef or whatever. So it's like, of course they're gonna take the photo.

[Nick]

Was. Was west there? I didn't see pictures of us.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

Is that on the cast?

[Susie]

He's a friend of.

[Danielle]

Is he even a friend of. He makes appearances.

[Nick]

That's going to be so crazy because, like. And also, that's. It's a huge cast. Right. Also, we didn't even talk about CEO and entrepreneur Danielle.

[Danielle]

Oh, yeah, she's pregnant. Yes, I did see that.

[Susie]

Congrats.

[Nick]

Danielle's back. She's not. She's on part of the cast of in the City. Why did she leave Summer House? Which she left. Was she fired? Was she busy with her company?

[Danielle]

I. I remember it being kind of like, just the storylines didn't make sense. And I think she was, like, moving on because, remember, she had her app, but people were. It was the Lindsay and Carl breakup. And Sierra can chime in when we have her on next Reality Recap more. But what I remember is that she had the app, and, like, beyond that, there was more drama, and it didn't really fit to have her. But she's a genuine friend of Lindsay, so, like, it makes more sense, honestly, for her to be on in the city than somewhere else.

[Fiona]

Okay, cool.

[Ally]

You're in.

[Danielle]

I like her.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

I don't really know much about her. I'm excited to get to know her on in this city.

[Nick]

Well, Real Housewives of Rhode island was on on Sunday. Another fantastic episode. I'm like, are. Are you guys team Rosie or team.

[Susie]

I'm Team Rosie.

[Fiona]

I'm team Rosie.

[Susie]

I'm team Rosie. She got those little moon boots, and I'm riding for her down.

[Danielle]

I've also been, like, sitting on the fact that Rosie said that Kelsey was already already broken up with his man, like, months before, and everybody knew. Yeah, Like, I've been sitting on that, like, just pondering on the idea of, like, wow, like, imagine like, filming the show, and everybody knew. But then she's also coming for Rosie's.

[Nick]

What is the. What are the streets saying? Are the streets also team Rosie, or is it mixed or. I think they're teamed. It seems like Kelsey has more allies in the group than Rosie. Rosie seems to only have Ashley.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Susie]

The streets have been saying. And by the streets, I mean, like, one tweet I saw that the Rosie vs. Kelsey feud is like, a future generational housewives.

[Danielle]

Yes, it is.

[Susie]

And I would love to know they're

[Danielle]

gonna come together and be best friends in two, three seasons from now. But right now, we need the feud to, like, make the friendship feel Stronger.

[Susie]

It's giving. It's giving. Vicky, it's giving.

[Danielle]

Tamara, it's giving. Meredith and Lisa kind of.

[Nick]

Were Meredith and Lisa enemies at the beginning?

[Danielle]

No, they actually. No. They started out as best friends, actually.

[Susie]

Best friends, then enemies, and now best friends again.

[Danielle]

So I'm saying, like, the switch between

[Susie]

half of New York. Yeah.

[Fiona]

Because I've never had a true enemy become a friend. Like, I've had friends I've had. People are like, oh, the vibe isn't great, and then you become friends. But I've never had. I've never yelled. Well, first of all, I've never yelled at a friend, but I'm like, I've. I can't imagine, like, yelling, screaming at somebody the way these people do and then becoming besties. I've become trusting them ever again.

[Susie]

I've become friends with people that I initially didn't really like, but it was just because of, like, I had preconceived notions about them that were, like, false and had just judged them too quickly.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Never someone I genuinely have disliked for, like, good reason has ever won me over.

[Danielle]

I mean, Susie's right about, like, the whole housewife part, though, because, like, even Rula and Alicia, like, I was also thinking I was projecting into the future, being like, okay, so Rula's gonna be mad that Alicia didn't tell her that she had this video.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

But at the same time, was Alicia supposed to show her this video in front of her husband?

[Allison]

Right.

[Danielle]

And, like, be a gotcha moment on camera. You know, like, I was, like, playing out the storyline.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

When Brian got a text, and he immediately looks at camera and then gets up and is like, I have to use the restroom. And then he comes back and he's like, sorry, that was a work call.

[Fiona]

Like, he's not even trying.

[Natalie]

He's not even trying. It's so obvious.

[Danielle]

So do we think the work call was the mistress? And we do. Do we think it was the mistress being like, they got you. They're going to, like. They're gonna have, like, ouchie right now on camera.

[Susie]

I'm just like, brother, cameras are rolling. Like, do you not. You signed a release.

[Nick]

That man is an orthopedic surgeon.

[Natalie]

Orthopedic or podiatrist. Does he do feet? Oh, yeah. Podiatrist. Okay. Not bones.

[Nick]

Not still.

[Fiona]

Right.

[Natalie]

He is a doctor. Yeah.

[Fiona]

But, yeah.

[Susie]

I mean, I don't know what part. If he's a something with feet.

[Nick]

Just the feet.

[Susie]

He's like, if Quentin Tarantino did it

[Danielle]

the smart way, he's a podiatrist and foot surgeon.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

So he.

[Natalie]

But then he said the front of his practice is an aesthetics where that does Botox and cells, all that kinds of stuff.

[Allison]

But him.

[Natalie]

Yeah, him being like, I'm trying all of it. I feel like I'm getting a little too fat. I do some Olympic. I feel like I need some muscle. I do some steroids.

[Fiona]

I feel like I need.

[Danielle]

I'm like, oh, he's a housewife himself.

[Susie]

I know. It is crazy that he's like, Italian.

[Natalie]

Give him a clam.

[Susie]

You know he's Italian.

[Fiona]

Italian vaccine.

[Nick]

Well, we had dinner with T. Terry Debrow not too long ago, and he was.

[Susie]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

It was a fascinating conversation.

[Danielle]

I love Terry Debro.

[Nick]

Yeah, I know. I'm like, I'm so obsessed with him. He's the ghost. He's so cool. But they did. They do get a front row seat on all the. All the. All the tea. All the medical tea. Really?

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

He's also just a dad. Like a good dad. You talk to him and you're like, oh, Jerry.

[Susie]

I feel like he could give me wisdom.

[Nick]

But anyways, this doc foot doctor was talking about secretly serving over serving his now wife.

[Susie]

Yeah, that was weird as.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Our first date, I gave her a double and I had a single. And then on I kept giving her doubles. I kept giving her doubles. And like, what are you trying to say?

[Fiona]

I really. He's not old enough to be in that generation, but I think there's a generation of people that thought that would be like a really funny joke.

[Danielle]

Like, for sure.

[Fiona]

Like older. Older generations.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

But I feel like he's.

[Susie]

It ain't me.

[Fiona]

He's. Yeah, it's not us. But I'm like, he's in that. He fits into that. But he's not old enough to.

[Nick]

The only problem is I don't think he was. Yeah. Joking.

[Susie]

No, he was.

[Fiona]

Me either. Yeah, me too.

[Susie]

Yeah. No, he was being dead serious. He reminds me of this guy when I was 15, I got in a job bussing at this restaurant and it was like this old, like, diner and this guy, the first customer I ever served was this like, old, old man. And he, like, comes up and he's sitting at a table and he like grabs my waist and go, hey, toots, give me a Tito's.

[Fiona]

Oh, not that.

[Susie]

And I was just like, I'm 15, bro.

[Fiona]

Like, I can't even serve that.

[Susie]

I can't even. They won't let me. Cuz they would have to pay me more. Like what do you want from me? But it's like, that's the way these guys just, like, go about their life and they just have no. Like, I was just like, I would

[Danielle]

have called the cop.

[Susie]

I went, I'm 15. And then he was like. I was like, I'm 15. I can't get that for you. And then I had the waitress go over and I was like, he's being weird. And she was like, you have a lot to learn anyway, but service industry. Welcome to the service industry. Yeah, but it's just like. But that's so normal. Like, honestly, like, it's just the way women get treated by, like, this type of guy that, like, Brian is. And, like, it's just gross and stop doing that.

[Fiona]

Yeah, it's a type of guy that's a good way. Yeah, it's a type of person.

[Natalie]

I imagine he. There's no way his. His practice is thriving after his stint on reality television.

[Nick]

I mean, like, I didn't. I. I just don't know. I guess I was caught up in the other drama, but I didn't realize he was a doctor. And I am just like, I couldn't imagine if I was a patient of his and then saw this episode and I'd just been like, you know, I'm just gonna. I don't know. I just don't know. My foot would be okay.

[Danielle]

His business is for sure probably popping off. Like, even, like, when Rosie came on her show, she was like, the mistress is going to events and, like, bragging that she's the mistress of the show. And like, I think maybe like, he. I think when you're these businesses, when you're on a. Like a small city or whatever, and like, it's a big show that everybody knows is a big show. Like, I think a ton of wives are probably now going, yeah. To like him to be like, oh, I went to the husband's practice of Rula, you know?

[Fiona]

Yeah. Curiosity overrides a lot of moral, like, compass.

[Danielle]

Or to be like, now they're all going to say, like, I was kind of attached to the show.

[Fiona]

Right. Exactly.

[Susie]

Speaking of moral compasses, did you guys see Kelsey having her ex sugar daddy still pay for her rent, health, and car insurance as she moves out? Justin, as someone who's moving right now, does this resonate with you?

[Danielle]

I. I mean, I. What. Where's the complaint?

[Nick]

But.

[Danielle]

But we would all do it. We would all do it for the

[Fiona]

free rent, I think. Here's what I. I do agree.

[Susie]

We're not together anymore.

[Fiona]

We didn't get married. But she's like, if I've been with him for 10 years, if we were married, I would be entitled to something. I do kind of agree with that. That's crazy because she was at the. Really? Because, I mean, if she. If I think there's. There was an arrangement, that's how I feel. Like, I feel like there was an arrangement.

[Susie]

Absolutely.

[Natalie]

To pay your bills and you don't have to do anything.

[Nick]

Nothing in this world is free.

[Fiona]

I think I agree with the fact that you say this is not free because she's now 30 years old. She has no career. She.

[Danielle]

It's not free.

[Fiona]

Yeah, yeah. She has sacrificed her twenties and. And dating somebody that actually wants to create a future with her. Like, I know what it's like to be starting over at 30 and how daunting that is. And that's somebody with a career. That's somebody who's been ambitious, who knows how to pay my bills, know, know, do everything. She's like a baby at 30.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

That doesn't know how to do anything. So it's not like I'm like, that's not free. That's a price to pay.

[Danielle]

That's a good point because she already did. Like, she sacrificed her ability to become independent for it. So now he kind of owes her to then give her that footing.

[Susie]

Exactly.

[Fiona]

I agree.

[Nick]

And, and most importantly, like, say what you want. I don't care what he's telling or not. But like, that the power dynamic in a relationship where you are. You are like, you can't literally afford to have them tell you no.

[Fiona]

Right.

[Nick]

Your existence completely shifts. Your universe is flipped upside down simply by them changing their mind. And whether they exercise that power or not, that's not a fun position to be in. It's a very powerless position to be in. And then imagine how that is projected onto the rest of her life. You know what I'm saying? For someone to have so much control and power over her, she's going to have to find that in other aspects of her life there's a cost.

[Susie]

This actually poses a very important question, which is do sugar babies qualify for alimony?

[Nick]

Well, should that. Is that if we're giving it a job title?

[Susie]

Should sugar babies qualify for alimony?

[Danielle]

Is this a sugar baby that was long term or a sugar baby that just did a little bit short term?

[Susie]

This is a sugar baby that has been been with you. Like Susie said, like, our girl Kelsey, like, she's really just, like, been holding the house down, holding the fort down for, like, a Good amount of time. Right. And she wasted. Yeah. She was in her 20s. She was with this guy. She was holding house down. She was making sure that the butler, like, knew that she didn't like having lemon stuff in her lemons.

[Ally]

Right.

[Nick]

If she can argue that her services provided a value like, my wife has substantially improved the quality of my life in every measurable way. I've said this over and over. You know, like, I felt like I was pretty successful before I met her. And now more. I have more. I have more of everything. And that is a direct result of.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Her and her wonderful.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And everything.

[Ally]

She brings it.

[Nick]

She's earned that. You know what I'm saying? Like, she is, you know, Kyle, redshirt. She earned that. She was there, she was pumping that man up. She was making him feel confident when he had no confidence. That definitely matters. But then there are marriages where it's just like, what do you. What do you say you do here? What do you do? What do you do here?

[Fiona]

You know, So I don't know, it sounds like. It sounds like he and her had a good partnership. I will say, like, he seems like a kind person to be continuing to help her.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

And it sounds like she agreed to a wild arrangement for 10 years of her life.

[Nick]

And like, I'll say this, though, if she. If at any point during that arrangement she was being funny, like, she was being funny with Rosie by showing up in a fucking megaphone with the house police, right. If, if, if then fired. Do you think Kelsey really thought that was funny or do you think that she was like, I'm about to. I'm about to start a scene.

[Danielle]

It was mean.

[Susie]

It was mean.

[Fiona]

I think. I think that's something a mean girl would think is funny.

[Susie]

Yes.

[Danielle]

There you go.

[Fiona]

You know, and on the unawareness of.

[Natalie]

And.

[Fiona]

And then to realize, oh, this isn't funny, and not be like, I'm so sorry, like, mean girl.

[Danielle]

By the way, the level of dulu. Like, we've all had those friends where, like, they do something intentionally to, like, make you mad, but then know that the second you get mad, they're gonna be like, well, it was a joke. Like, it was just a joke.

[Fiona]

It's just a joke.

[Susie]

Why are you crying? Don't cry.

[Fiona]

You look stupid.

[Danielle]

And it's like, you were trying to

[Natalie]

hurt me and was like, what was in her suitcase? Was that all her hair products?

[Danielle]

I think so, right? Oh, yeah, she was. Yeah.

[Nick]

That's why, as someone who's gotten the occasional at home haircut, they bring a Small roller bag like that.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

You need the tools. You need the problem.

[Natalie]

I believe that she was doing. I just. I.

[Allison]

It was.

[Natalie]

You know, she was like, take your suitcase and get out of my house.

[Fiona]

And I was like, Rosie got very physical.

[Danielle]

Rosie did come prepared. She came prepared, though, with those blueprints.

[Fiona]

But the whole thing was wild.

[Danielle]

It's just both of them. Both of them did not want the haircut.

[Nick]

Why did Joe, Ellen. Hey. Hate Rosie because. Is it mostly based off. Because she's friends with Kelsey, and Joanne's made it very clear that Which I give. She's a loyal. She's like.

[Susie]

Joellen is friends with Kelsey, therefore she does not like Rosie. Is that what you're asking?

[Nick]

I'm asking, is that the reason? Yeah, Honestly, that. That is a good enough reason for me.

[Danielle]

I don't remember.

[Susie]

No, no, no. It was. There was something with Rosie going over to, like, this one, like, party, and she bought the cheap wine. And then Joellen was mean to her because of the G. I think Joel and Loki was just kind of a bitch. And then Rosie was like, do you hate me? And then Joel and was like, I don't really care about you. I don't really know you that well. And then also, Joel's tight with Tighter with Kelsey, so I don't think there's any, like, huge beef between them, but I do think that they just, like, generally maybe don't match up, but I do see them becoming allies in the future once Jo Ellen eventually turns on Kelsey.

[Natalie]

You know what was crazy was Rosie shutting the door on Kelsey, throwing her bag out, shutting the door, and then a producer then opening up the door for Kelsey to come back in.

[Danielle]

So did we see the producer open up the door? Did I miss that? And she was just standing in an open door?

[Fiona]

Yeah, I think they just cut that part out.

[Danielle]

Okay.

[Fiona]

Yeah. I personally, as a former, like, pageant girl, I guess you would say, I thought that was so funny for her to come back in. And I did, too yell. And just so you know, I did win Miss Rhode Island, USA by myself, which I just thought it was so iconic and funny. I was like, this is what people imagine pageant life is like. And I have to say, like, they are the few and far between. Like, I. There's not a lot of that.

[Danielle]

I was glad she opened the door.

[Nick]

Susie, do you have your trophies?

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You do, actually.

[Allison]

I do, yeah.

[Fiona]

I've got. Well, I don't have trophies. I have my crown and sash. Yeah.

[Nick]

And are they displayed prominently?

[Fiona]

You know what? They haven't Been until this year. I, like, set up a home office, and I did put it in my home office. Yeah. But I've always just had them in a box. But I was like, you know what? It's kind of a lot of my Miss USA sisters have them. Like, the crown out or whatever. Yeah. The shadow box. And I was like, oh, it's kind of cute. Like, I. I shied away from ever talking about it for so long because I was like, there's such a stigma. But I was like, you know what? It. It was a big part of my life. Have you ever.

[Susie]

Have I ever asked you if you've seen Drop Dead Gorgeous?

[Fiona]

You haven't. And I. And I haven't.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. One of the best movies ever.

[Susie]

Natalie, you're a drop dead gorgeous.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God, of course I am. When we had Denise, I was like, denise, we've got to talk about Drop Dead Gorgeous. And she was like, that movie could never be made today. And I was like, you are right.

[Danielle]

What about Miss Congeniality? I was raised on anybody that's associated with any form of, like, Miss USA Universe state, whatever. Eat them up.

[Fiona]

That's like. That's what got me into it. Like, I feel like I was the. The Sandra Bullet character.

[Danielle]

You're a spy in my head. Just so you know.

[Fiona]

No, I do jiu jitsu.

[Ally]

You guys.

[Fiona]

Come on. Like, I could kill people with my hands.

[Susie]

You're. You're doing.

[Nick]

Are you a black belt, Susie?

[Fiona]

Yeah, no, I'm just a blue belt. You know, lower in the ranks, but I could definitely kill somebody.

[Nick]

Cool.

[Susie]

It's pretty cool that you could kill someone. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Susie]

How easy do you think it would be for you to do that?

[Fiona]

I hate to say that, but, like, you probably, like, you're little. You know what I mean? I'm like, I got you. I've saved a few people. Like, I don't talk about it a lot, but I jump in. Like, I'm like, I'm a guy's worst nightmare in a. In a bar fight. I'm like, let me help. Like, I've jumped on a guy's back

[Susie]

and like, hell, yeah.

[Fiona]

I once pulled a guy out of a pit. Like, I was, like, on an upper level, and he was getting, like, punch, and I scooped underneath of his armpits and pulled him out.

[Danielle]

And did you get hit in the process?

[Allison]

You're like a claw machine.

[Susie]

Wow.

[Fiona]

Yeah, I was like a claw machine. And then I was like, oh, my God, am I going to be a target later tonight? But I Don't think anyone suspected me because I'm just a girl, you know?

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

I just scooped him out of there.

[Nick]

Like, you're starting over.

[Fiona]

Yeah, I feel like I. I've, you know, gone through breakups and stuff. Not like in this exact moment, but

[Nick]

like, you know, so you just, like, relationship wise.

[Fiona]

Yeah. That career also, like, pivots and.

[Nick]

Sure.

[Fiona]

Yeah. I'm, like, constantly contemplating, like, restarting over to. I'm like, do I just move? Like, I just.

[Susie]

Do you see it less as. Do you see it more as like a, like, restart or like an evolution?

[Natalie]

Next chapter?

[Fiona]

I guess, like an evolution. But sometimes I think to start that, like, or to con or to evolve, you, like, need a reset. Maybe it's both.

[Susie]

Kind of like how Pokemon work.

[Fiona]

Yeah, yeah.

[Susie]

So they do, like, the little fire.

[Fiona]

Yeah, they evolve.

[Susie]

They evolve, but there's like a fresh.

[Ally]

They do it.

[Fiona]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

So of course.

[Nick]

Just like a Pokemon.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Hey, it's a good metaphor.

[Nick]

You're just on your journey.

[Fiona]

I'm just a little Pokemon.

[Natalie]

I can't wait for the memoir, Suze. Can't wait.

[Fiona]

It'll be years from now, you know,

[Natalie]

but it's gonna be filled with some juicy stuff by now.

[Fiona]

Yeah. Some bar fights and.

[Nick]

Well, hopefully you have a long way to go. I never really understood the memoirs in. In the 30s.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Am I not doing anything else great. Or is this done? Am I over?

[Susie]

That's actually, you know, that is an interesting and interesting point. How old do you think you have to be to write a memoir on death door?

[Nick]

60 plus.

[Susie]

60 plus.

[Nick]

I mean, I guess, you know, you could write about a spec. You know, like, a lot of bachelor memoirs are specific about. It's like their tell alls. Right. I guess. Sure. But that, again, there's the implication that I am not going to do anything, anything better than this, so strike while the iron's hot.

[Danielle]

Well, is that the implication of a memoir?

[Susie]

I feel like a memoir to me is more about, like, you're telling a story up into a specific, like, from where you are at your life at that point.

[Natalie]

Can you do.

[Susie]

Up until.

[Nick]

How many memoirs can you do?

[Natalie]

Say, can you do a prequel, a sequel? Prequel?

[Nick]

Can you have three memoirs? Can you do that?

[Danielle]

I've done multiple.

[Susie]

I think you can kind of do whatever you want.

[Nick]

Of course. Anyone?

[Fiona]

Some people.

[Nick]

Amanda Petullo is doing whatever she wants and people, you know.

[Susie]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Fiona]

I. I also think, like, some people go through things younger in life that are really, like, really hard and they overcome a challenge. Like. Like a Disability or something like that, for example.

[Susie]

Totally makes sense. She wrote a book. Yeah. Young.

[Fiona]

I read her book.

[Danielle]

Really great.

[Susie]

I read it in high school. Love. Yeah. Or then, like, Tina Fey wrote a book when she was in her 40s.

[Natalie]

Like, you know, Emily Ratajkowski also wrote a book about her, like, life growing up modeling. I mean, very good. So I guess.

[Susie]

And those. The three women who have ever existed. Malala, Emily Ratajkowski.

[Nick]

All right, well, pivoting to perfect match more than anything, really. Just a psa. The sun is hot.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it's a little more intense in Mexico. The sun is not the sun, as they say.

[Natalie]

I didn't notice anyone with.

[Danielle]

With Mackenzie specifically. Like, I just can't imagine. She went on the show to, like, make out with people, but she's burnt, so she can't really move.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

Like, you see her. You see her sitting and, like, trying to kiss Dave, but it's like, I'm

[Nick]

just shocked that someone would make such a rookie mistake on television their second time.

[Danielle]

Well, she was on squid games before, Right. So she was inside. She didn't have to tell me.

[Fiona]

That's so fair.

[Susie]

No, inside to outside is important.

[Fiona]

No, she hasn't been outside in a while.

[Natalie]

This is falling on. I mean, was there any. A basket of sun products placed in their room?

[Susie]

Exactly. That's always my question. How intense are they?

[Nick]

Being Bachelor in Paradise was. Was full of sunscreen, was it, Susie?

[Fiona]

For the moment I was there. I think I do remember seeing a bottle or two.

[Susie]

So are. Are they. Are they trying to get you guys to. Are they actively encouraging you? They just want, like, drama in your life.

[Nick]

They were definitely, like, rare sun that. You know, I again, can't speak for every TV producer or production company out there, but the Bachelor people were very. That's not the drama they were trying to get.

[Fiona]

Don't ruin your spray tan, you know?

[Nick]

Well, I mean, like, again, I guess if you casted someone and they showed up boring and. And. And all they got you. All they gave you was a sunburn. I guess that's a little funny, but that's not good tv. Like someone who's just, like, basically sick or not feeling well, you know, and not their best self. Like, that's not. That's. That's not good producing. That's. It's.

[Danielle]

And then sunt tints don't protect you from sunburns.

[Nick]

Right.

[Fiona]

Like, it's just color spray tans, right? No, there's no sun protection from it.

[Susie]

Nope.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's just dead skin. Right. This is cooked skin.

[Natalie]

A spray tan.

[Susie]

Spray tan.

[Ally]

Oh, yeah.

[Fiona]

Yeah. No, spray tans. Don't do any.

[Nick]

What about a tan? Like a tan tan?

[Fiona]

I think it's controversial. Like, people say that, but I actually don't know that it's true.

[Danielle]

Because you're exposing yourself to the UV to get the tan.

[Susie]

Yeah, well, basically. What's that? It's like, tan tan is like, every time you're tan in your body, a lot of the times it's like, that's like dead skin cells on top. So it's like you kind of have. I'm not a scientist. I'm just from Florida. You have, like, you know, a lot of, like, that kind of, like, dead skin building up. And so it takes a little bit more to, like, go through, but then you're. You know what I mean.

[Danielle]

By the way, the tan itself is physical evidence that your skin has already been damaged by UV radiation.

[Natalie]

We have turned into a dermatology clinic.

[Danielle]

Wait, this is interesting. It says tanning is the body's defense mechanism, signaling that skin cells are injured and producing extra melanin to prevent further harm. So it kind does.

[Nick]

Oh.

[Susie]

Protect you.

[Danielle]

It's trying to. Yeah.

[Fiona]

Okay.

[Susie]

So Jimmy and Ali.

[Danielle]

Jimmy and Ali. So a lot of people are kind of weirded out by their relationship. I kind of was stuck on the idea that Jimmy was like, she's a weirdo, until she saw. He saw her kissing Dave.

[Nick]

Why are they weirded out?

[Danielle]

Because it's Ally from Vanderpump humor.

[Susie]

I just don't like. Like, all I say this, like, I love Ally. Like, she's my favorite part of the show. She's not that weird. She's kind of like a normal. Just like. Like, normal, like, girl who's a person. And I feel like when somebody who is just a normal person goes on these reality TV shows, sometimes they're like, she's so weird.

[Nick]

She has a goof to her. That's not.

[Susie]

And I'm like.

[Fiona]

Which is like, that's it, guys. Love, like, she's so cute. When she, like, kicked her feet, I was like, wait, I love you, too. Yeah, Like, I want to marry you.

[Susie]

I will say she's just being herself.

[Danielle]

I love Ally, but her in the plug going, jimmy. Or every two seconds, Jimmy.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

And he's like, yeah, I love it.

[Susie]

She really likes to cuddle.

[Fiona]

I. Yeah.

[Danielle]

Oh. And she said, what are you doing? And she, like, pulled him into the cuddle.

[Fiona]

Yeah. Okay. This poses a question for me, though. You brought up how Jimmy wasn't that into her until he saw her kissing somebody else. Then, same thing with her. She was, like, wanting to stay open. Wanting to stay open.

[Danielle]

And then she lost her options.

[Fiona]

She lost her options. And then she's like, I don't want to be open anymore. I want to lock it down. And the question is, do you have to be a little toxic to create interest, or do you have to play games, or is this just a TV show? Because I don't know what's reality and what's. What's reality TV and what's reality anymore?

[Nick]

You know, it's all the same. You know, reality TV is real. Of course. I think everyone has to play games, for sure. You don't think so?

[Susie]

I think you might have.

[Fiona]

Well, I'm really bad at games, if you're asking Jimmy.

[Danielle]

Jimmy said this perfect match is a game and he's gonna win. But outside, in the real world, I think you do, unfortunately.

[Nick]

You know what it. You know, I think it is. You know, I'm thinking out loud here. Off. Off the cuff here. I could.

[Fiona]

Okay, let's hear it.

[Nick]

I. You know, I talk so much about, like, you know, we, like. Like, a deep relationship. You build an emotional connection. Right? Like. Right. Like when people eventually say, I love you. They have kids together in a family, like, at this stage in our relationship now, and I have, like, so many shared memories, and, like, you know, she is ingrained in my life. To, like, rip that away from me would be literally devastating. You know what I'm saying? Like, it would be more than just, like, I don't like you anymore and moving on. And I think early on, when we don't have that emotional connection, I think the game playing is a way that we almost kind of manufacture, like, caring in a way that we don't have the history to care about. You know, interesting thoughts, feelings, concerns.

[Danielle]

Well, the game playing is like, you're. You're baiting them to then assign value to their reaction to what it is. Right? Yeah, that's what I think.

[Susie]

It's kind of Pavlov's dog in that way, because it's like you're basically. I mean, that's.

[Fiona]

I love you. I just love you. I'm like, that's such a great.

[Susie]

Yeah, it's Pavlov's dog because it's like, you want someone to be. You're gonna text them, right? You're gonna text them something funny.

[Fiona]

That dopamine ring the bell?

[Susie]

Yeah. You're gonna give them a dopamine hit today?

[Nick]

Well, sometimes you just, like, don't know how you're gonna feel when they don't, like, want to hang out with you or text you back or go on a date with someone else or.

[Danielle]

The problem with it being Pavlov's dogs, though, is that you're also training yourself. And now you're the one. Like, if you ring the bell and they don't respond, then you're like.

[Susie]

And there's. Sometimes you really thought. You really thought you ate down with that dog training. And you're like, wait, I don't think this dog.

[Nick]

I'm the dog. Well, Susie brought this up when we were talking open the show. Because, like, she was like, oh, did Natalie have to. Is that what you. Natalie did with you? And everyone's heard the story, told the story many times how Natalie, like, was like, I'm gonna just date other people. Obviously, that was upsetting to me. But, you know, it's part of the story that we never really told that I think really matters in our story.

[Fiona]

Oh, my gosh. Please tell us what.

[Nick]

I bought my first house

[Fiona]

before or after?

[Nick]

Right around this time when Nally was, like, trying to lock it down, and I was like, I just don't think I can do it. And she was also, like, kind of like, all right, well, I'm tired of asking. I had been looking for buying. I had been looking to buy a house for a few months, you know, in the buying house process. And I was getting really close, and I was, like, looking at houses and, like, sending them to Natalie, asking what she thought, which was probably weird for her because I was looking for an opinion.

[Fiona]

Oh, my gosh, Nick, you did not.

[Nick]

But. But also, I was like, But. But. But I cared about her opinion. It was like, me. It was like a. I would.

[Susie]

No, she's the one you wanted to. She's, like, the really. The only one you, like, wanted.

[Danielle]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I felt. And I also just felt so lonely because, like, this was, like, literally in the heat of her being, like, you don't want to date me. I'm annoyed at you. And I just felt so lonely. I'm like, I'm buying a house. I got no one to share it with. Like, like, it was like. It was an empty feeling buying my first house without, like, anyone to share a house with. It's one thing to have an apartment, but I was like, I feel like me buying my first house really, like, made me, I think, every other. Every other opportunity or chance for a relationship. I was. It was easy for me to talk myself out of it, and I Think me buying a house, like, what are you doing? Why are we here?

[Natalie]

But it also, like, what's going on? It would have been a great bachelor bed.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That would have been old. Like, yeah, sure. You know, cool hot tub. It would have been. It would have been fine. But, like, it would have got real old. Real sad question.

[Susie]

Question always does. When you bought that, was it that, like, was it. Was it just that feeling of loneliness or was there a thing of, like. Man, I could see, like, Natalie in here.

[Fiona]

Yeah, that's always that, too.

[Nick]

And, like, me, that it's one thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really.

[Natalie]

I really told me. I'm looking at these houses, picturing you in them with me, and I was like, you don't want to date me?

[Fiona]

I was gonna say, don't get out of here, Natalie. I need to hear your side of this.

[Nick]

I had just started therapy. I was in the process of, like, really just working through my feelings. And listen, had I not. Had we not gotten together, that would have been, like. Natalie would have been on TikTok, talking head. Like, I dated this guy. I think he was the bachelor once. And this. He could have pictured.

[Allison]

You would have been Chris from.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Susie]

Chris giving a little Louis Vuitton.

[Danielle]

You kind of work Chris. You gave her a house.

[Fiona]

You were. Yeah, a big gift. Wait, Natalie, when he was sending you these houses, what was your thought? Were you, like, were you pissed that he's sending you literal houses but not wanting to date you? Or were you, like, I'm gonna get him? Like, were you, like, take care of the bag?

[Danielle]

He wants me.

[Fiona]

Yeah, he wants me. He's sending me houses.

[Natalie]

I always knew we'd end up.

[Fiona]

You knew?

[Natalie]

I always knew it. And I just was like, you know, I'll just. I'll just continue my life until he decides that, you know, he's the biggest idiot in the entire world. So for sure what I did, but I don't remember. I think I remember just being like, oh, yeah, sure. That one's nice.

[Fiona]

Like, cool.

[Nick]

She did a great job of acting uninterested.

[Natalie]

I had a great apartment in Georgia. I was much bigger than Nick's little Venice chateau he was living in. So I was like, you know, I

[Susie]

was doing fine, actually. I'm obsessed.

[Natalie]

Everyone's like, she's a gold digger. I'm like, my apartment is bigger than his.

[Susie]

Like, I'm sorry.

[Nick]

When I lived in Venice, I was such a cliche. Well, part like, I. I was living with Jared at the time.

[Susie]

Jared, who's making Niche content making content.

[Fiona]

I didn't know you guys lived together.

[Nick]

I had an apartment downtown and Jared, like, moved to la. I was like, I got a two bedroom. I ain't using it. Like, literally, I had a two bedroom that my ex and I lived in and then she moved out and she did a mattress campaign and there's an empty mattress that's sitting and all that was was in the guest bedroom was an empty mattress. There was nothing else. I didn't have enough stuff. And I took a picture of him like, jared, here's a mattress for you. And so he came and he moved in and him and Ashley got together. And then I was like, you know what? I. I found this Venice apartment and I was like, I, you know, a guy from Wisconsin, I should live by the ocean at least once in my life. And so, yeah, I got this tiny two bedroom bungalow for like $5,000 a month.

[Natalie]

$5,000 a month.

[Danielle]

Of course it is. Yeah.

[Nick]

And then I. And I drove a Range Rover. So here I have this tiny LA apartment and I drive a Range Rover. Such a la cliche of like, why do you have this luxury car in this tiny ass apartment?

[Danielle]

I was gonna say, was it one of those bungalows where you have to drive down the really tiny, weird back alley?

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Susie]

That's kind of like.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Susie]

I will say that might be. I can't apartment.

[Nick]

It was a fun two and a half.

[Susie]

Yeah, I could.

[Fiona]

I mean, by the beach is fun,

[Nick]

but it did not impress the ladies. I can promise you that.

[Fiona]

It didn't.

[Danielle]

No, really, it'd work. Wait, were you literally on the beach?

[Nick]

No, I was like, I was like a block away, so that's what I imagine.

[Danielle]

Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

Well, I'm glad Natalie wasn't the one who got away.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Fiona]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Susie]

One more question to you.

[Allison]

Yeah.

[Susie]

When. What's the. And I. I wonder. This is a single person sometimes. What's like, sometimes you think you're being a bit Delulu and I'm like, what's the difference between like, really just like, like actively being, like, maybe I actually have a good feeling about something versus I'm being the Lulu.

[Natalie]

Who's the question? Who do you feel like was being Delulu?

[Nick]

What? And what are you being Delulu about?

[Susie]

I. I was just thinking about. I was just thinking about Natalie saying that like, you were like, you knew. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes, like, I see a lot of stuff, like online, especially people being like, like, they call that Delulu now. Yeah.

[Natalie]

I think it's more delusional when you stop your life for them and you're like, they're gonna come around. They're gonna come around. They're gonna come around. I know they will. I'm waiting for them. I'm waiting for them. I was, like, still working, still doing my thing, still going on dates, still, like, living my life. That it was like, if I meet someone else, I meet someone else, and, like, he loses his chance. But I do believe at some point

[Nick]

we will get married. Yeah.

[Natalie]

And we will have babies. I think it's more delusional when you are like, I have to stop my life.

[Danielle]

That is a good person.

[Susie]

That is a good answer.

[Fiona]

Great answer.

[Susie]

Ask Natalie, Period.

[Fiona]

Yeah. Clip it. Brilliant. Clip it.

[Nick]

Is Dave getting away with being a boy because he's honest? Yes.

[Allison]

Yes.

[Fiona]

Or Australian.

[Danielle]

He's not getting away with it. He's just a boy with an accent. I think we all agree.

[Nick]

I mean, and this is nothing new. Listen, like, I don't honestly think people, specifically women, have a problem with a promiscuous man who wants to. Around. Like, women like to have sex and have a good time. It's the lying.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's the. It's the cr. It's the. I re. It's the.

[Susie]

It's the.

[Natalie]

Are you seeing anyone else? No, I'm not. And then it's like, but you were. But.

[Fiona]

Right, Exactly. That's. That's part where I have an issue.

[Nick]

It's the pretending to have feelings because you think without pretending, you can't get laid.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I will say it feels like everyone on this cast is down to have fun. Like, no one. No one seems like they're taking it that serious. You know?

[Susie]

They're all like, yeah, no, no.

[Natalie]

Not even because she made out with Weston at the singles thing. It's like, if she was taking it that seriously, to where she was like, damari's gonna be my husband. Like, I'm leaving here in a relationship. She wouldn't. She wouldn't have done that.

[Fiona]

Interesting. It was funny when she was having the conversation with Damari, and she. And he was like, well, we'll talk if that happens. We'll talk about it. And she was like, no, let's just, like, not make it a thing, because I actually won't handle that well.

[Danielle]

About the friend.

[Fiona]

About the friend. Yeah. About ca. Hottie. Hot, beautiful, funny. Literally an icon, legend, star. Love her. But I just thought it was so funny because I'm like, no, this is what you actually should be asking for. Is like healthy communication. If it. And he's basically like, if anything's to change, I'll tell you. And she's like, don't let it change.

[Danielle]

But also Marissa was the one that was like, let's play a game and let's all put our coconuts and bring it to our mouth. Yeah, but not your partners.

[Fiona]

And I was like, okay, well, exactly.

[Nick]

Well, it's a really fun show and yeah, we're really enjoying it. And to talk, to get into the weeds of all the things that are going on in the house, we have have Allison and Allie both in studio back to back. We're starting things with Allison and then we'll finish things off with Ali Luber. They have a lot to say and it's a very fun and interesting conversation. And they are up next. For all of the parents out there with teenagers, we know you're already trying to keep a million different things under control. Well, Cash App is here to help make sure your teens money and their spending isn't adding to that craziness. Cash App is designed to meet teens age 13 to 17 where they are with intuitive educational tools available available through sponsorship by eligible parent or guardian, teens gain access to personalized Cash App card that comes in different colors and patterns to fit their style and their ability to instantly access money from family and friends. Cash App makes managing money feel easier and honestly just cooler than the other options there. The platform also has tools that can help teens develop real world financial habits in a space that's safe and easy to navigate, all with your oversight and approval. Your teen is getting their first job. Cash App can get them access to their paycheck up to two days early and can help them achieve personalized saving goals that they can set themselves all within the app. With Cash App, their tools become something they actually want to use because they're designed with them in mind. Listen, like having just general finance knowledge is really important for young kids and I honestly don't think a lot of people are learning what they should. And Cash App is helping your teenagers do just that. Help your teen be more fiscally responsible. It's never too early to start and Cash App is helping them start early, skip the stress and give your teen a way to learn financial responsibility with no hidden fees. Download Cash App and get started today for unlimited time. New Cash App Customers can earn $10 if they use Family10 in their profile at signup and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. Terms apply. Cash App is a financial service platform, not a bank banking Services provided by Cash App Bank Partners. Prepaid debit card issued by Sutton bank member FDIC direct deposit and promotions provided by Cash App a block incorporated brand. Visit CashApp app legal podcast for full disclosures. Listen. I like to think I'm handy. My wife has different opinions, but the secret is I'm handy. I just don't feel like because I have TaskRabbit. TaskRabbit is an amazing app. Do you have to hang a tv? Do you have to hang a shelf? Do you, do you have to put up curtains? I've gotten out of doing things I don't want to do because I just tell my wife to get a TaskRabbit and honestly, it's amazing. You can like day of no problem. Schedule it in advance. Easy. It's great. You can find any task, any you want. They it's like, you know, you just hire a bunch of handymen. Maybe you get a good date sometimes. Not for me. I'm married. You can search the Tasker on cost, skillset availability and path client reviews. Usually I'm always like, I'm not a planner. So it's like the day of who's available today. And then through there it's just like, what are the reviews? What are they good at? It's always like, it's, it's so easy. You can find someone to do those tasks that you don't want to do or can't do in a matter of minutes. So if there is a project that you've been putting off because you don't know someone who can do it or you don't feel like doing it or you can't do it, go to TaskRabbit right now and get those curtains hung, get those plants planted, get that paint done. Maybe like unbox those boxes that you, you know, you haven't put away yet. I mean, there's definitely something going on in your house that needs to get done that you've been avoiding and let TaskRabbit get it done for you. When life happens, your to do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first [e-mail] or on the TaskRabbit app using promo code V I A L L Taskers book up fast, especially the same day tasks. So book trust at home help today. That's $15 off your first task using promo code V I L L with the Taskra taskrabbit.com obviously we know that

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[Nick]

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[Allison]

Thank you. I'm so excited. It's nice to meet you guys.

[Nick]

Nice to meet you. How first of all, how are you? How was your heart? How's everything going?

[Allison]

I'm good, honestly, like I had such a good, good experience on the show. I can't complain.

[Fiona]

Okay, we love that.

[Natalie]

What was your first impression of Chris? Obviously he comes from our show Age of Attraction so we know him quite well.

[Allison]

I love Chris. I mean, he's like my best friend from the show. Now Other than my actual best friend Kayla, of course. But he was my best guy friend, so I love him. Obviously. I thought he was really cute at first because I put his card down, but he didn't put mine down. I don't think. So.

[Nick]

What do you think about his. His gift giving? You know, Chris, like, we. Again, he's part of our cast. He's a sweet guy, and he always seems to mean well and gives off some this impression, but it's like, he jokes about being kind of, like, love bomby and. And move too fast. And then he, like, brings, like, seems like talk about his money in a way that's like, what, you're friends with him. So, like, as a woman who dates men like Chris, like, explain to me why it's not. I shouldn't see that as, like, a red flag, you know?

[Allison]

I can't say that I don't see that as a red flag. I love Chris from the bottom of my heart. I don't know why he would bring a Louis Vuitton wallet to give to someone that he just met.

[Natalie]

Like, literally, they match. He's like, and I have a gift for you.

[Nick]

Like, is this blackmail? Is this, like.

[Allison]

I'm like, I think he's genuinely trying to be a gentleman. I just don't think he sees, like, the issue with that at all.

[Susie]

Yeah, he sees it more in, like, the sorority. Big sister, little sister, giving them a gift away than love vomit.

[Allison]

No, I think he's, like, genuinely trying to be thoughtful and sweet. And he is so thoughtful and sweet in real life. Like, he texted me yesterday, and he's like, I'm gonna order some juice shots. Do you and your mom want anything? I'm like, yeah, you don't have to do that. But, like, that's so nice. But I definitely would think it was weird if someone gave me a Louis wallet the first second I met him. I made fun of him for that, honestly.

[Nick]

What did you think about Yemen, saying, you talked too much?

[Allison]

I thought he was so rude and disrespectful. Honestly, like, the entire time that I was matched with him, everybody else was getting coffee and everything brought to them in the morning, and he just was sort of like. It seemed like he was just matching with me so that he didn't get sent home.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Nick]

How much of that goes on, like, at Perfect Matching? Because, you know, like, part of it is, like, there. There's this kind of open discussion. Like, I loved it when Chris. I forgot what. When it was, but he was like, like, well, now I'm just gonna have to fake a relationship with someone else. I was like, you don't have to.

[Allison]

You know, like, when we were at the singles party.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Allison]

Oh, my God. I was like, shut up. Do not say that. I was like, chris, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Nick]

But I guess with the cast, I imagine there are people who are more open to the kind of strategy and game playing and there's other people who are more like, you know, listen, I know it's a TV show. I know it's messy, but, like, I genuinely just want to. I genuinely just want to meet someone, you know, of. You gave that when they did the whole, like, you know, the Kasum or whatever. I don't know what you. Whatever. You paired up with Jimmy and you were just like, yo. No, Like, I don't have, like, just. I love it how this show is like, oh, we're playing spin the bottle. It's like, oh, well, I have to play.

[Allison]

I can do whatever I want. I don't need to be making out with everyone. And that was like, the one rule that we set at the singles mixer. I was like, I mean, you can do whatever you want, but that's my boundary. Follow it or don't. But you are. You won't end up my boyfriend if you do that. For sure.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Allison]

And then everyone's calling me boring. I'm like, I'm not being boring. I'm trying to be respectful.

[Natalie]

Like, same thing with Jimmy.

[Allison]

He got called boring him.

[Nick]

What was the deciding factor between Nick and Jimmy?

[Allison]

The deciding factor between Nick and Jimmy. When? Oh, that day. Yeah. Honestly, Nick was. I love him so much. He's one of my good friends now. He was so drunk that day, and the kiss was really bad. And I remember saying that my interview too. I'm like, I'm sorry. Love you, Nick. That was the worst kiss of my entire life. What was gross about it just was not gross. It was just not good.

[Nick]

It was like, yeah, but I mean, this is this, you know, for any. Anyone listening and who is wondering if they're a good or bad kiss. Like, sometimes bad kissing is like, there's too much tongue. It's like. It's more like you're attacking my throat. And then sometimes it's more like, like, dead body tongue or. It's like.

[Allison]

It was sort of like that. It was just sort of like there. And I was like, drunk.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Allison]

I was like, what's going on?

[Natalie]

So you got a bad kiss and you were like, and it's Jimmy.

[Allison]

Yeah, but I mean, Honestly, like, that wasn't the only deciding factor. I just felt such a connection with Jimmy. So it was a no brainer then the kiss was bad. I was like, okay, yeah, I'm good.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Cherry on topic. I'm okay. What do you feel like the intention was behind Jimmy taking Catherine on the date?

[Allison]

Well, I mean, Catherine picked him, so he wasn't allowed to say no. I didn't want him to go, obviously, but he didn't have much of a choice. So I was just like, okay, have fun. I'm so fucking anxious. Enjoy. Was so awkward.

[Nick]

But you were still like. It didn't make you question his, his interest in you? What gave you the confidence that you and Jimmy had this connection? Because it was interesting to see him on the other side also kind of enforcing that same boundary, which we haven't always seen.

[Allison]

I mean, he gave me a pinky promise that he would come home. And that was a huge fucking issue with everybody.

[Nick]

The fact that he pinky promised that

[Allison]

he pinky promised me he would come back to me. He was like, nothing's gonna change this. I really, really care about you. I'm coming home. I know where home is. And I was like, why did that piss everybody off? Okay, cool. Because then they were saying that he wasn't giving Kat a fair chance. But I was like, like, I mean, if he ended up really liking her, he could so easily just be like, sorry, I thought I liked you more. But then we had this crazy connection. Like he still could have easily fucked me over. He didn't. But then everyone made the biggest deal about this pinky promise. But I still was really nervous when he left for the date, even though he did that. And then I went to go. I told everyone I was going to go take my vitamins. Cause I was like freaking out inside. And he put his glasses in my makeup bag. So it was really cute.

[Natalie]

He's like, still here.

[Allison]

He had to pack his bags in case he didn't end up matching with me again. And they like took all his stuff out of the room. And then he put his glasses.

[Susie]

That was the promise.

[Allison]

Yeah. I was like, that's really cute. And then I saw them and I was like, oh, I'm chilling. And I just sat back by the pool all day drinking. I was like, this is great.

[Natalie]

Was Yemen the only one that you kind of didn't gel with?

[Allison]

I mean, I matched with him, so I obviously, like, thought he was cool at first, right? And I think he's attractive and he's a really good kisser. But then just his energy was like. It seemed so performative to me. I'm like, okay, so are you here for a check? And like, to get clout? Because I have faith in the process. Because my best friend found a three and a half year relationship from too hot to handle.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Allison]

So I'm like, okay, cool. Like, honestly, I'm not a huge dater. I'll try this. It'll push me out of my comfort zone. I'll see what'll happen. But he just seemed so fake. And he would say the same shit to, like, one person. And then, like, the boys would be alone. And I obviously had things repeated back to me from Jimmy. And I would just be like, oh, okay.

[Natalie]

Like, what was repeated back to you?

[Allison]

Just the way that he would talk about women. Just really disrespectful. Like, he was matched with me and he would say certain things and then. And matched with Nat for so long. And he would talk about how hot he thinks Kayla is. And I'm like, I just don't like that. And then the whole, like, doing nothing gentlemanly for me, I find very unattractive. But then he talks about himself really highly, and he's like, I'm a really good guy. I'm like, are you? You're not for me.

[Nick]

Why do you think Kayla was the one that got voted out? And I'm always curious when it's like, oh, who's the least sincere? You know, wrong reasons type of stuff. Like, it felt. It felt like as a viewer, it was, like, based off of jealousy and eliminating the competition. But maybe it felt differently in the house.

[Allison]

I mean, I completely agree with that because I feel like all the OG girls made a little deal that they were gonna protect each other. But obviously no one's gonna tell me that when my sister is in the house. Cause I'm not gonna fucking vote for her. But it just felt, like, so cornered, and that's why I stood up. And I was like, this is wrong. She's a very genuine person. Like, I've never had a friend like Kayla ever in my whole life. And Kayla genuinely is, like, the kind of friend that you just pray to have. So I was so upset, and obviously she was hysterical. They wouldn't let me talk to her after. I just feel like they were trying to exclude her so they could save themselves. Really sucked.

[Nick]

Did you get to know Marissa very well?

[Allison]

Yeah, I love Marissa.

[Nick]

We are fans of Marissa, and certainly we. We loved her on Love is Blind. I was a little, like, surprised. How? Have you seen the Movie Wedding Crash.

[Allison]

Yeah, they filmed it near my hometown.

[Nick]

Oh, really?

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And don't ever leave me because I'll find you. Like, Marissa was kind of giving that a little bit with Damari.

[Allison]

A little bit, yeah, for sure.

[Nick]

And there was a point where it was like. She was kind of like, he's mine. He's mine. And then it was. There were a couple matches where it was like. It felt like he didn't have a choice. Is that something we saw as viewers or was that. It was. Was. Was that energy felt in the house?

[Allison]

I would say she definitely was like, that's my man. That's my man. That's my man. From before they even started talking. Like, the second she got there, the second I walked in the house, she was standing right next to him, and I was like, well, I knew Damari before the show, and I have always thought he was hot, so I was like, I'm definitely gonna try, but it just. I don't know. I really like Marissa a lot, genuinely. Like, we've gotten a lot closer. But it was. She seemed a little bit possessive over him. And the way that they would fight on the show, I was like, like, y' all just met. Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Yeah. There was an intensity there that was a little like.

[Natalie]

Well, it was the first. It was the card. Ch. The first thing that y' all did where you flipped each other's card. And she got whisper. She chose whisper. And she was like, if you don't choose me, I'll kill you.

[Allison]

I know. I was like, oh, my God. And also, I was so nervous during the first challenge. I was like, oh, God, I'm so uncomfortable. Like, I am not, like, a PDA girly all the time, unless I'm, like, totally in love with somebody. Then I just sort of forget everything. But I was like, oh, God, I gotta make out with these strangers. Like, right off the bat, I was

[Fiona]

like, bro, it's like, this is awful.

[Nick]

Overall, you come across great. You're not really, like, a villain or anything like that. You know, if there's nothing.

[Allison]

Thank God. My last show, I looked like such an asshole. I was like, I swear I'm not

[Nick]

really, like, a music performer. How did you look? Like an asshole.

[Allison]

I'm very competitive.

[Natalie]

Okay, well, yeah, that did. Yeah, that side of you showed for sure, but not in, like, an asshole way.

[Allison]

Yeah, I'm very competitive, so I think, like, the last show, they just would clip me saying the craziest things, and I was like, ah, fuck. I was like, I swear. We filmed for, like, two and a half months. Obviously not the full story, but I was so sad about that. Cause I was, like, great. You don't show me happy a single time. Thank you so much.

[Nick]

I felt like you had a really nice balance on this show. You were. Someone seemed to go for, like, you could name what you want, you know, and there's always vulnerability in being like, I like this person. I think we vibe. But you didn't go so hard on the paint a la Saint Marissa, where it seemed like you were willing to, like, you know, let the chips fall where they may and move on from something if you weren't receiving it back. So, yeah, you. Quite honestly, I. In a show that usually doesn't center around, like, rounded people, you. You come across. You. You seemed, like, really grounded in the whole experience.

[Allison]

Thank you. That's really nice. I appreciate that. I mean, I'm definitely, like, not the kind of person to be chasing a guy if I don't think they want me. I just, like, can't do that.

[Nick]

I'm like, what was the toughest challenge?

[Allison]

Like, actually, the challenges that we had to do?

[Nick]

Yeah, like, what was the most awkward or toughest one that you. That you had to do?

[Allison]

I mean, I wanted to die in those showers that they made because the line was above my head and we had to fill the water up to it.

[Nick]

I was like, there's a little claustrophobia watching that.

[Allison]

Yeah, I didn't like that. And then I didn't really love the last challenge because I threw up at it, and so did Kayla, but we were next to each other, both throwing up.

[Susie]

So that's friendship.

[Allison]

That's friendship. I was like, damn, Jimmy. We just got a lot closer. He was like, yeah.

[Natalie]

Did you know Jimmy before he came on the Omniford match?

[Fiona]

You didn't?

[Allison]

I had no idea who he was. And I refused because we got our phones for, like, an hour or two a day when we were filming. I refused to look up his social media because I was like, I just don't want to see it. I don't want to, like, know what his social media presence is like, because I don't know. You never know. And I was like, I don't want to make a judgment on him from something like that. I would rather just get to know him here. And then I obviously just like, fell in love with him, you know, he

[Nick]

kind of reminds me of Adam Driver.

[Allison]

Adam Driver. Jimmy's got a big personality.

[Nick]

Okay, not maybe his personality, but he kind of looks like Adam Driver a little bit you think?

[Natalie]

Think.

[Allison]

I thought he looked like, what's his name? Carl from Shameless. But taller. That's what I thought.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Yeah, he is. So he is tall.

[Allison]

Yeah, he's like six.

[Nick]

He's a basketball player.

[Allison]

Yeah. And I'm five one, so we love that.

[Natalie]

Definitely not Adam Driver, like at all. That was crazy.

[Susie]

I wouldn't. Carl, look.

[Allison]

Yeah, he looks like white boy Carl.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Allison]

And Shameless is Chicago, obviously. So I was like, you really are him. I was like, 12 year old Alison would be freaking the fuck out right now.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, Alison, thanks for coming. This has been a ton of fun. Good luck the rest of the way. We're excited to see how your story unfolds.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It sounds like maybe maybe they're like

[Fiona]

maybe you're in love.

[Nick]

It sounds like maybe you guys maybe were the perfect match. I don't know.

[Susie]

Maybe.

[Natalie]

I mean, whether they are the perfect match or just a match. Perfect match.

[Nick]

A perfect match.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

We are excited to see how this all unfolds, but thanks for coming.

[Allison]

Thank you for having me, you guys.

[Nick]

This was so fun. Yay.

[Fiona]

Yay.

[Nick]

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[Natalie]

Truly welcome back to TV.

[Nick]

You, you're a star.

[Ally]

Oh God, no. I don't know.

[Nick]

No, you're really, you're really great.

[Natalie]

I really feel like we see your personality so much on a big match that we didn't really get to see on Vanderpump.

[Ally]

Yeah, I definitely agree. I definitely. This is a whole new side and it's my, it's me.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But yeah, I mean Bravo's going to be watching this and, and, and been like, like we missed out like damn it. Yeah, you're really, you're so fun to watch. You're funny, your timing is great and it never feels performative. It really feels like this is a person Meant for television. And also, like. And I'm not trying to gas you up. It was just like. And we were saying this, you know, we first started covering the show. It's just like. Also, like, I just appreciate working with professionals. Not to take anything away from the authenticity of reality tv, but, like, some of your peers on Perfect Match, you know, their only time on TV was maybe, like, a stint on Love is Blind or, you know, are too hot to handle. You obviously had a couple seasons with some of the best professionals in reality TV and Bravo, and it really shined in a way that, again, didn't feel performative. It was just really cool to see. And it's. I wasn't sure what to expect when they casted you.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But same. You are. You are awesome on the show.

[Allison]

Thank you.

[Ally]

Oh, my gosh. That makes me feel better, you guys. I haven't seen it yet. Well, you. I just know I had a lot of fun.

[Natalie]

You were great. And you love to cuddle.

[Ally]

Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[Nick]

I do love to cuddle.

[Natalie]

No, you're like, are you gonna cuddle me tonight? Jimmy's like, I don't know. And you're like, if you don't cuddle

[Susie]

me tonight, then, like, what are we.

[Ally]

What are we doing? Like, we're literally sharing a bedroom.

[Nick]

Would you rather.

[Ally]

Oh, this is fun.

[Nick]

Find out that your boyfriend cuddled another woman an entire night or you found out that your boyfriend got drunk and got head. Got head. A blowjob. I'm sorry. Fellatio. Oral sex.

[Ally]

Oh, gosh.

[Nick]

Sorry. I think the more we cover these shows and we talked about this on Age of a Trip Attraction, I think. I think us humans and us men discount emotional.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Emotional affairs in a way where it's like, there's an intimacy. And I think the way men kind of are able to objectify. Objectify sex so easily.

[Fiona]

Yes.

[Nick]

It sometimes can be harder the other way around. And as someone who clearly watching the show really values a cuddle, I'm just wondering if you found out, like, the intimacy of an entire night cuddling. What do you think would be harder for you to accept the cuddling?

[Ally]

That. Yeah, I feel like that's. So Is that what you would. I mean, obviously I would not like either of them.

[Nick]

Yeah, right.

[Ally]

The cuddling c. You're sharing a bed that is, like, intimate. Yeah. So the cuddling. I think it's hard. I'm going to think about that all day now.

[Natalie]

Did you expect to connect with Jimmy the way he did? No. Did you watch him on Love Is blind.

[Ally]

No.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Ally]

We didn't have our phones or anything like that either, so I really didn't know. I mean, he did. Over time. He told me everything, you know, about the hair transplant too, and all of that and like, his funny routine. Like, he told me about all of that, but I.

[Nick]

How did he do that?

[Ally]

Like, when we were cuddling. So here's my drama on tv and I'm like, like, awesome. Glad you look good.

[Fiona]

It looks good.

[Nick]

Hair looks great.

[Ally]

It does. It looks really good. He's. He's great. We didn't. It wasn't like an immediate, like, attraction I feel like, that we had, but, like, over time, I feel like we were just comfortable around each other and we became friends. Yeah. And then I think it grew into something more.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Ally]

Does it look like that? Does it show that. That.

[Nick]

Yeah, sure. As much as reality TV does.

[Ally]

Right. Why Perfect Match really seemed fun to me was that it wasn't serious, like a love is blind or something like that. It's that we can have fun. I was like, I'm curious to see if I can even form a crush, you know? So that was kind of where my head was at with it. So I was really just open to, like, having fun.

[Nick]

You're very sharp and you're very quick witted. And you're also, like, you seem to really know what you want. And I think a lot of people, you, you know, you present as light and feathery and you talk about horoscopes and I wonder if people, like, take you for granted or like, underestimate you. I think is what I'm. Yeah. Underestimate you in a way where, like, you are really good at, like, setting your boundaries and you're really good at knowing what you want in a way. But it's also, like, light and fun and you do it in a funny way. But, like, this show is all about, like, making excuses for your. Your choices and things like that. But you, like, you've always were, like, quick to just be like. But no, like Natalie said. Is that how you've always been or have you had to evolve and learn over time to be this ally that we got to see on Perfect Match?

[Ally]

Hmm. That's a good question. I think. I don't. I'm sure I've changed even with my last relationship that, you know, that one kept me on my toes, but I do think I've always known where I'm at. And I always try to, like, you know, have my feet on the ground and be very in the moment, but I do agree that I think even Jimmy at times at the beginning would say things like, oh, you're so, like, la la land. Or like, things like that. And I'm always like, thanks. But then I do feel like a little bit of me is like, ugh.

[Natalie]

Speaking of your last relationship, what. What are your thoughts on him becoming a father?

[Ally]

Uh, shocked, but also not really because he always moved quickly. He always wanted to be a dad.

[Nick]

So I couldn't help but notice his announcement be perfectly timed with your announcement of being a perfect match. And I am just wondering if that in your heart in mind, is a coincidence or if that is. Or if that is not.

[Ally]

That's an interesting.

[Susie]

I have.

[Ally]

No. What do you. I don't. I didn't really think about that. I don't think that.

[Natalie]

Is that calculated?

[Ally]

I don't think so, but, yeah, I don't think so. So that wasn't, like, my intuition or gut feeling there, but I don't know.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay. Have you guys spoken at all?

[Ally]

No. No. He ran into Joe at Coachella and said some things, I think, but that I haven't seen him, haven't talked to him. I didn't know he had a girlfriend. But, you know, he moves quickly, and I'm happy for him. He always wanted to be a dad. I just hope he's healthy and happy.

[Natalie]

When you told Jimmy, when he was like, you're like, so do you like Cassie? And he was like, well, I mean, I would. In the real world, I'd be, like, fighting tooth and nail to get a second date, you know, with her. And you're like, okay, so I hear that you hate me. You were just so funny.

[Ally]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh, such a little.

[Natalie]

And even with Dave, like, did you feel like your humor came across as humor, or do you feel like they were. They took you very seriously, and they were like, oh, thank you for calling.

[Ally]

I do feel like nobody understood, like, my sarcasm or people like. Like, Jimmy's very sensitive, actually, and he's such a communicator. And so, you know, and I just say, oh, my God, here we go again. Like, it's not that deep, but he's

[Nick]

like, I just need to talk about it.

[Ally]

You're like, again, Exactly. And he says how he feels, like, all the time, like, even the conversation

[Natalie]

about you, like your son being on Broadway.

[Susie]

Yeah, that was so funny.

[Ally]

It's going to be interesting to watch it back. Cause, you know, like, when you're filming and you're just in it, and especially when you're like, In a villa and you're sharing a bed, it's like you do almost just. It's weird how quickly you can get almost just obsessed with everyone. I mean, even the girls. And like, your friendships, like, you just latch onto each other.

[Nick]

Who did you bond with the most?

[Ally]

Natalie and I were very close. Alison. We were close. It's so funny. She went to the same college as me. We were both Ali's. We both matched with Jimmy. So like, that was funny. She sings, I sing for fun. She's amazing. Obviously, building the band. Honestly, everyone, you know, everyone truly was awesome and so fun.

[Natalie]

What about any of the guys? Did you feel like any of them?

[Ally]

Dave was my favorite. We were like besties. Yeah, he just felt like a warm presence and I could be myself with him. He also was just there to have fun and took, you know, was taking it seriously, but also was like, like very grateful for the experience and just wanted to like, enjoy it.

[Nick]

How did you end up on Perfect Match? Like, what was that? What are those conversations look like?

[Ally]

Um, Carly, my manager, got, I guess an email or somehow. Cause months before I even did like the initial interview, she mentioned it to me. This was also like a couple months after my breakup. So this was probably like in the spring of 2025. And I remember being like, I don't think I could do that. Like a dating show just sounded so intimidating and scary. Um, but then I. When I heard it was gonna film in October, I was kind of like, okay, that'll be enough. Time has passed and it could be really good for me and a good way to almost put myself back out there and like, see how I feel and if I'm actually ready to even be open to love. So it was kind of like a rollercoaster of like.

[Nick]

Are you still living in South Carolina?

[Ally]

Yeah, I moved in January.

[Nick]

Cause I was kind of, to be honest, expecting to see you on.

[Ally]

On Southern Charm of Southern Charm.

[Natalie]

Yeah, like, oh, she popped in on Southern hospitality.

[Ally]

Yeah. Because I'm friends with Maddie and Joe and people from hospitality. I mean, I'm friendly with the charm people as well, but like, I actually hang out with Maddie and Joe and them all the time. And I play guitar and sing at Leva's restaurants. So that. And I was in a little like, don't blank, like cameos last season when I was there for the. But yeah.

[Nick]

Were there ever conversations about you joining in a more full time capacity?

[Ally]

I don't know anything, but I do hang out with them a lot and I could see that being like A natural thing that could happen. But I don't know. I don't even know if Bravo would be, like, hesitant about it. I don't know.

[Susie]

Do you want to?

[Ally]

I would be open. I think I'd be open to it if it felt right.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Ally]

I've only lived there for four months, but I'm loving it so far, and I do. I am, like, close with everyone, so it would feel natural.

[Nick]

It was just, you know, I can't emphasize enough how fun it was to see you without you being attached to James.

[Susie]

Because, like, I mean, like, it wasn't

[Nick]

like, it wasn't a different Ally. It was just more of who you are. And I think we, you know, you were, you know, being. Being the girlfriend of one of the main characters, you know? You know, just not.

[Ally]

Yeah, it was just, like, there.

[Nick]

And again, like, I just think as someone who watches a lot of these shows, there are some people who are, like, you know, you're good. You're fine. And there are some people who really shine and are really made for this environment, and I hope to see more of you. It was just. It was very fun to watch you.

[Allison]

It was.

[Nick]

It was really cool. You know, you see a lot of people bounce between shows, and, like, you're just like, no, it's still, you know, like, it's. They don't bring anything more. And I think it's just hard to find, you know, a really great talent. And I would. I think people making these shows would be foolish not to explore something.

[Ally]

Well, thank you.

[Nick]

Long term.

[Fiona]

Why'd you wave it?

[Natalie]

Why did you wave at Jimmy after kissing Dave?

[Nick]

Did I do that?

[Natalie]

You did. And then you're like, oh, my God, I just waved at him. Why'd I just wave at him? That was crazy. I don't know why I just waved

[Ally]

at him because I saw him like, hi. God. Why was he looking?

[Nick]

We're still doing horoscopes.

[Ally]

Yes.

[Nick]

How is the horoscope universe looking these days?

[Susie]

Yeah, that's. Please.

[Ally]

I love that. A lot better now. Like, the first half of January was a rock. I mean, honestly, 2026 is. It's a lot. Yeah. Like, 2025 really walked up. 2026 could fly socially, everything. But the summer's looking good. Jupiter's about to go into Leo in August, which is gonna be really good. Jupiter is the planet of expansion and abundance and opportunities. And so if you have any personal planets in Leo, you do, right? You're rising. Yeah. That's really good for Leo placements because it's gonna Bring expansion to that part of your chart. So it's looking good. We have a new moon Saturday, which is.

[Natalie]

How do you feel about.

[Allison]

Yeah.

[Ally]

In Taurus.

[Natalie]

Gemini girls.

[Ally]

I love Gemini girls.

[Danielle]

Okay.

[Ally]

Yep. Is that. Is that we. And rivers.

[Fiona]

Aquarius.

[Ally]

Aquarius. Oh, I love air signs. Yes, yes, yes. Which is so perfect for you guys because that they're like the communicators and they're witty and they're smart. Oh, my God, I love that. I love girl Geminis. Yes. Yes, yes.

[Susie]

Girl Gemini is good.

[Ally]

When is the due date?

[Allison]

Yeah.

[Ally]

Gemini Minor.

[Fiona]

July 2nd.

[Ally]

July 2nd. Yay. So right when Jupiter goes into Leo. That's awesome. She can be a star. Oh, hello. Yes. I love that.

[Nick]

Have you found that your passion for astrology. How have men you've dated received your

[Ally]

passion different in the South? Yeah. But if anything, it just makes me love it more because I'm like, okay, this isn't for you, but it's okay. I do think there's always a little bit of a stigma around it or just people in general who like that stuff, but, you know, it's not for everyone, and that's okay. You know, I'm not here to, like, make people believe or to push it on them, but I do love when someone has an open mind and they're, like, curious and they still don't even have to really believe in it, but it's fun regardless. If you believe it's fun regardless. There's so many. Like, it doesn't have to be that deep or it can be like, yeah, yeah, I love it.

[Nick]

Do you still keep up with Bravo drama and, like, say, Summer House?

[Ally]

Okay, I'm caught up. But I. And I started watching after the Scandal and all of that. I started watching it this new season, but, I mean, I see everything on social media. It's crazy.

[Nick]

Any thoughts?

[Ally]

History repeats itself.

[Nick]

Yeah. Cause you were Nally's gotta go. He lost the babysitter. Bye.

[Allison]

I will.

[Ally]

I will. Yes.

[Nick]

Yeah. Cause, like, obviously you were smack dab in the middle of Scandival. So much about this scandal has been compared to Scandival.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Is it of interest to you because of how connected you were to that, or are you just more like, eh, not for me.

[Ally]

I think it's just wild watching. It's just shocking because I. Sierra and Amanda were so close and Ariana and Raquel were there for a while when that happened too. So it is just a weird parallel.

[Nick]

What would the horoscope, so to speak, say about.

[Ally]

I haven't seen there.

[Susie]

Let me look it up.

[Ally]

Yeah, look it up. But I do know when the bomb shut, when it dropped, and it was, like, on the news, like, Pluto was doing the most. We had a square. I even made an astrology video. I didn't talk about it, but it was kind of a little bit directed at that because it was impossible for it. Not to. The undertones, whatever.

[Fiona]

Okay.

[Susie]

Core cast astrological signs.

[Ally]

But yeah, the astrology. The current astrology was just again, 2026.

[Susie]

Amanda. Amanda Petulu is a Leo.

[Ally]

See, she would have had such a good year. She would have gotten the Ariana treatment. You know, I don't.

[Susie]

Like.

[Nick]

She burned it all to the ground.

[Ally]

For west is a Scorpio.

[Susie]

Yes. And I believe.

[Ally]

Secrets.

[Susie]

I want to say.

[Ally]

Obviously, I don't. I don't know them that well personally.

[Susie]

Yeah. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. I found risings as well. Okay, so. So we have Sierra as a. This just says Capricorn moon, Libra rising.

[Fiona]

Oh.

[Susie]

Oh.

[Ally]

She's actually a Capricorn sun.

[Susie]

She's a Capricorn sun. Capricorn moon, Libra rising. And then we have. Have Amanda, who's a Leo sun. Capricorn moon, Leo rising.

[Ally]

Okay.

[Susie]

And then west, who is a Capricorn sun. Sagittarius moon.

[Ally]

West is a Capricorn sun.

[Susie]

Yes. According to this graphic that I'm looking at.

[Ally]

Oh, so he's a Scorpio moon.

[Susie]

Maybe. Or that was just Google.

[Ally]

Got it.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Ally]

Oh, so they're both Capricorns. I'm shocked. I'm a Capricorn. I love Capricorns in there. I mean, Sierra. I'm not shocked. Sierra is, but that's very. Loyalty is, like, everything, you know?

[Nick]

So that's not for West.

[Ally]

Yeah, not for west, though.

[Susie]

Capricorn men.

[Ally]

Capricorn men. I always like Capricorn men, but that's why I bet he's a Scorpio moon or something's in there.

[Susie]

It's a Sagittarius moon on here.

[Ally]

Oh, okay.

[Allison]

Right.

[Ally]

So Capricorn wants stability, and then Sagittarius is like. I don't know. Stability. Like, we don't want stability. Sagittarius is like, fun life of the party. Very energetic.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Ally]

Obviously, I wish them the best. Are they still together? Other.

[Nick]

You know, Amanda West.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Hard to say.

[Susie]

I know it's been seen out, but also it's like anytime he's pictured with a woman, he's getting a photo taken of him as if they're.

[Nick]

Yeah. It seems a bit misleading. It's hard to really say, but we also really don't know if they're even together or. They know.

[Ally]

Right.

[Nick]

Situationship. Like, it's.

[Susie]

They kissed at a baseball game.

[Ally]

Oh. Oh, yeah, I saw that.

[Nick]

Yeah. They're dating.

[Ally]

Oh, so they are dating.

[Nick]

Well, I don't know.

[Ally]

They are.

[Nick]

I mean, it seems like they are dating. Everyone is. Is now speculating. Is it like, is Wes just, like, stuck in this thing? Is he not? Who really? We don't really know. And honestly, they probably don't even know. They probably don't even know the reunion will be.

[Ally]

What do you think about the audio leak?

[Nick]

I mean, you know, like, disappointing that it happened because obviously, like, people work so hard on these shows and, like, it's not okay. Yep, obviously. And as you know. Right. It's like, what, a few seconds of 10 hours of footage. That being said, what we did get to hear, Amanda was kind of giving Tom Sandoval, which was just like, what? Just. Why are you. Why are you 10 toes down? Why are you like. Why just be like, yo, I fucked up. I'm a bad friend.

[Ally]

Yes.

[Nick]

I don't wanna. This is not who I am. But it was more like, you can't help you. Like, and it was like.

[Ally]

No, it was wild that I was shocked.

[Nick]

It just. Yeah, it just. It came across as really insensitive.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

And.

[Nick]

And the only justification I can come up with is because, like, I had talked to Tom so many times back in the day and Tom was just so, you know, there's the TV element, as you know, and there's the real life element. And like, there were just things about however things went down between him and Ariana that he just wouldn't let go, you know, because he felt, like, not justified, but he just felt like there was a narrative that wasn't totally accurate or true. And it felt like he needed people to know that. And at the end of the day, I don't think people really gave a fuck.

[Ally]

No.

[Nick]

And that's the only thing I can think of with Amanda. Where is. She's just like, she wants to have this nuanced conversation about her choices in a way that people aren't interested or certainly ready to receive.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Allison]

But I don't know if a reunion

[Susie]

is the place to have that nuanced conversation with the people that you hurt.

[Ally]

No. Like, she should be. You're so right. It needs to just be full.

[Nick]

No, that nuanced conversation comes, like in a year if you're still with West.

[Susie]

Exactly.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Susie]

And then be like, let's like, listen.

[Allison]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Talk through it.

[Ally]

Yeah, right. Now it's too. People's feelings are so hurt. It's just like it doesn't matter which way you try to. It doesn't matter.

[Nick]

What was the horse recently? I don't. I think we're going to air this in a bit, so this will be a bit of old news, but over the weekend, Sierra, I don't know if you saw. Was in the comments.

[Ally]

Okay. I don't know what she said, but I kind of saw that she was.

[Nick]

She accused Jen Fessler of. Of what? Of. Of having sex with West.

[Ally]

Okay.

[Nick]

She is a housewife of New Jersey.

[Susie]

She was a friend of. She was a friend. She's not currently on Jersey. She's married with children. Was a friend of on Jersey.

[Nick]

She is.

[Susie]

And was like, chill and cool. Never really had a problem with anyone.

[Nick]

Yeah. What Very lovely person. I met her last. This past weekend. She's nice.

[Ally]

And you met her.

[Nick]

Is it true, according to Jen Fester?

[Danielle]

No.

[Ally]

Okay.

[Nick]

I don't think Jen Fester would tell me if it was.

[Ally]

Right. Okay. Okay. But gosh, the Bravo world right now.

[Nick]

I really don't believe it's true, but I don't really think it matters.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If it's true. Because, like, I just. As much as I want to support Sierra in this moment, I guess my question to you is how. What would the horoscopes in terms of, like, why. You know, I can give you the. I can give you. I can give you the relationship breakdown, yada, yada, yada. But it's more like you already won.

[Ally]

Yes.

[Nick]

You're crushing life.

[Ally]

Yes.

[Nick]

Like, there's.

[Ally]

You don't need to.

[Nick]

Like, you're gonna go.

[Ally]

And they're already down.

[Nick]

I know the fans love. I know they're eating it up. They want to see Sierra burn everyone associated with Wes to the ground. But it's like, once you're over this and you. I. I hope. And I'm sure you will be over this someday. That's just something you're probably gonna be like. I could have not said that out loud because it does.

[Ally]

Comet bringing that to light.

[Nick]

She brought it to light. Then she doubled and tripled down and seems she's still. And it's just like, yo. Like, you're. You're.

[Ally]

Especially if she's also, like, not even on TV anymore or signed up to share her life. It's like, why are we. I don't like. Yeah.

[Nick]

So what would the hor. How would the horoscopes explain that for someone that, like. And again, we've all been Sierra, we've all done the thing where it's like, maybe that went too far, but in the moment, you feel very justified and no doubt that she has the entire Internet egging her on and supporting her and validating all of her decisions.

[Ally]

Yep.

[Nick]

What would the horoscope.

[Ally]

When was this? A week ago

[Susie]

on Friday. Friday went into Saturday. Nothing. Maybe a little bit more on Sunday, but mostly Friday. Saturday.

[Ally]

I'm just wondering when. Well, we just had a libra full moon.

[Susie]

I know she's a libra full. She's a libra rising.

[Ally]

So I'm like, it could have been maybe during the moon. When it's in your first house, emotions are. You're overreactive and you're not really thinking clearly because the moon is the. Our emotional house, you know, and it's a wave. Yeah. So but maybe I'm not sure of the exact date, but yeah, the astrology this year is just doing, like, the most.

[Susie]

Also, I'm a libra rising. And I felt.

[Ally]

Yeah, I'm a libra moon.

[Susie]

I was. Yes, yes. And I feel like my libra got a little activated on Saturday, and I was like, you know, saying some things, doing some things. So I wonder.

[Allison]

Oh, and then.

[Ally]

Oh, well, you know, what happened? Pluto went retrograde.

[Susie]

There we go.

[Ally]

Pluto. I'm pretty sure on what's today.

[Nick]

So it's not Sierra.

[Ally]

It's Pluto.

[Susie]

It's retrograde, guys. It's Pluto.

[Ally]

It's Pluto's fault. That's what's great about astrology.

[Nick]

And then the planet literally back to Perfect Match. How appealing was it for the love? It was it for the potential fruit vacation in order. What was the appeal of winning Perfect Match?

[Ally]

I think I was just really excited, you know, like, what do they say? Like, fear is. Is like disguised excitement or like, if you're scared of something, walk through it. So I was really nervous to do it, but it also felt like such a, like, cool opportunity. Like, I wish. I wish all my friends could, like,

[Allison]

do something like that.

[Ally]

Like, it was fun. So it was really just to put myself out there and see if I would find love.

[Nick]

Who was the most insincere person in the cast?

[Ally]

Okay. I like him as a person. I just think it was hard.

[Fiona]

Chris.

[Ally]

I just think. I just think it was hard to follow him and, you know, maybe just a lover boy, but it was hard to keep up. And it was like, whatever was in front of him at that moment, that's what he liked.

[Nick]

Okay, who did you bond with the most outside of your romantic relationships?

[Ally]

Um, gosh, Dave, Natalie and I were really close. Honestly, Natalie, Jimmy and I were, like, the three of us would, like, lay in bed in the morning and just, like, chit ch. Chat.

[Nick]

Your Jimmy.

[Ally]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Basketball Jimmy.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Ally]

Not basketball Jimmy, but love him too. Marissa is great. All the girls. Allison as well. We would do, like, little TikTok dances and stuff. Yeah. I mean, you have, like, so much time. We were there for, like, a month.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Ally]

So felt like a family.

[Nick]

Well, it was very fun to catch up with you. I'm excited to see how the rest of the season goes. Maybe we'll have you back on to talk about it.

[Ally]

Yes, that'd be fun.

[Nick]

Do you think. Is there more to your.

[Susie]

I teach it a lot.

[Nick]

Can you tease a lot? What can we come to expect?

[Ally]

Okay. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I switch things up a little bit and then maybe switch back a little bit and then switch up a little bit and exploring. Have fun exploring. Which is the point of the show, you know, is to test your. Whatever.

[Nick]

Did people recognize your experience in reality TV and gravitate towards you for advice ever?

[Ally]

Do you mean in the cast?

[Nick]

In.

[Fiona]

Yeah.

[Ally]

No.

[Nick]

Did they know about you?

[Ally]

Marissa and Allison knew.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Ally]

And so, yeah, when I did walk into the house, they were like, oh, my God. Like, you need to find a good guy. I was like, thanks. So that was sweet. It's like, that was nice that they already kind of knew. Didn't have to, like, go into everything.

[Nick]

Well, it's great to see you doing so well. Love that you're back on our TV screen. It really, I mean, honestly didn't know what to expect, but it was. You were awesome.

[Ally]

Yeah. Thank you so much.

[Nick]

And it's been fun to catch up with you, and it's great to see you doing so well.

[Ally]

Thank you, Nick. You too. Thanks for coming to see you guys.

[Nick]

Bye. Bye.

[Ally]

Bye. Bye.

[Nick]

All right, well, thanks for listening to today's episode. Thank you to our guests, Allison and Ally from Perfect Match. Don't forget, we are back tomorrow. Sierra joins the household. We also have Damari from Perfect Match. We appreciate you listening. Go check out Vile Files plus we'll see you later. Bye. Bye. Yes, you can. A five minute quick and easy calorie burning workout. Give it a try. Come join our sweat sesh on TikTok.