E1132 - Jimmy Sotos' Perfect Match Hot Takes, Jena Sims Masters Controversy, Rhode Island Drama & Malls

Summary

The Viall Files – E1132: Jimmy Soto's Perfect Match Hot Takes, Jena Sims Masters Controversy, Rhode Island Drama & Malls

Date: May 26, 2026
Host: Nick Viall, with Natalie Joy and the Household
Guests: Jena Sims, Jimmy Sotos

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Episode Overview

This lively Reality Recap edition of The Viall Files dives into a full house of reality TV highlights, pop culture debates, and personal stories. Topics range from the drama on Netflix’s Perfect Match (including an in-depth interview with cast member Jimmy Sotos) to the viral controversy over Jena Sims’ Masters outfit, and hot goss from the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. The cast also gets nostalgic about mall culture and tackles debates around dating, relationships, and everything in between.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Household Catch-Up: Pregnancy, Family, and Home Projects

• Natalie’s Pregnancy: The group jokes about upcoming twins, Braxton Hicks contractions, and whether Nick should try a pregnancy simulator on air (“Do you want me to get your socks?” – Nick, [03:09]).
• Home Nostalgia: Nick shares a heartfelt story about restoring his childhood lake house, the emotional impact of relaying the lawn, and installing an in-ground trampoline (“We finished the back lawn finally… it was really, really nostalgic…” – Nick, [06:00]).
• Malls, Childhood & Snakes: Mall culture comes up, with everyone reminiscing about mall hangouts, sibling drama, and snake encounters under trampolines.

2. Pop Culture & Reality TV News

A. Return of Mall Modeling and Mall Culture

• Debate circulates about the revival of “mall modeling” with Victoria’s Secret castings.
• Group discusses the nostalgia and resurgence of indoor malls as social hubs for teens and adults (“I feel like mall culture is coming back because people don’t know what to do…they want a third place” – Susie/Sierra, [13:55]).
• Funny recollections about mall scams like Barbizon modeling.

B. Dress Codes, Body Shaming, and Tradition

• Hot takes on school and workplace dress codes, how puberty and body changes interact with institutional expectations, and generational shifts (“There’s nothing that pisses me off more than… I look over and Nick’s scrolling on Twitter…he’s just fine, life is normal” – Natalie, [03:42]; “I got boobs early and it was so annoying… your shoulders are distracting to Philip” – Sierra/Natalie, [21:07]).

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Jena Sims Interview: Masters Outfits & Public Backlash

[27:55 – 49:38]

Main Focus:

Jena Sims, wife of pro golfer Brooks Koepka, details her viral experience of being slut-shamed online for her Masters outfit and the broader issue of policing women’s appearances in traditional settings.

Notable Quotes & Moments:

• On the Backlash:
  “All of a sudden for one week of the whole year everybody becomes experts on golf—and what to wear to golf tournaments… I feel very appropriate. I just double checked the masters website, it says 'dress appropriately for the weather'—that’s it.” – Jena Sims, [28:31]
• Brooks Koepka’s Reaction:
  “He’s the best… all he said back was, ‘Send me your outfit. Send me a picture…’ He was like, ‘What the heck, I think that’s totally fine.’” – Jena Sims, [31:49]
• Viral Opportunity:
  “I loved it because it did wonders for my engagement… it led to so many more opportunities.”—Jena, [30:02]
• On Their Relationship:
  The couple met on Instagram after Jena DMed Brooks first. Their first date was at the Masters.
  “I slid into his DMs… I just had this connection with you.”—Jena, [34:28]
• Motherhood & Loss:
  Jena discusses solo parenting, toddlerhood, and pregnancy loss with frankness and humor (“I call it ‘one and fun’ for now”—Jena, [42:48]). There’s mutual validation and support as both Jena and Natalie open up about miscarriages and healing ([43:27]).

Additional Highlights:

• Discussion of Sports Illustrated runway show and how Brooks supports Jena's career (“He is the loudest cheerleader…he loves it, it’s a fun departure for him”—Jena, [44:26]).
• Quick "Reality TV recap" with Jena weighing in on current Bravo scandals and relationship messiness ("In the early days… Brooks listened to me and calmed down… but Kyle Cook was like, ‘Actually I’m gonna double down on my partying’” — Jena, [46:10]).

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Reality TV Round-Up

1. Real Housewives of Rhode Island

[50:50 – 73:05]

• The cast recaps a wild episode:
  • Slam Pig Sash: Kelsey showing up to game night wearing a 'slam pig' sash takes center stage (“Kelsey decided to throw out accusations towards Rosie… have these cheating accusations been brought up before?” – Nick, [51:33]).
  • Cheating Rumors & Power Dynamics: The group breaks down the complexities of post-breakup financial dependency, public shaming, and what being “homeless” really means.
  • Liz vs. Alicia: Lively debate over the definition and sensitivities around calling oneself homeless and the broader topic of vulnerability and policing each other's narratives.
  • Memorable Quote: “If you have to ask permission to stay at another house... you’re still homeless.” – Nick, [59:46]

2. Bravo & Housewives News

• Discussion of Dorit’s delayed foreclosure, Erika Jayne’s legal updates, and speculation on next season’s Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast.
  • On Dorit’s House: “Her interview can’t be doing her any good in the court of law… here she is being like ‘my money is my money, his is his’” – Nick, [66:26]
  • Who should return? Fan-favorite arguments for Crystal, Amanda, and even wishful casting like Lori Loughlin and Emma Grede.

3. Perfect Match: Jimmy Sotos Interview

[84:38 – 114:59]

Jimmy's Hot Takes & Behind-the-Scenes

• Chill Amongst Chaos:
  • “I was in the mix but kinda not in the mix—just a bystander, I guess.”—Jimmy, [85:16]
  • Avoided drama after a sour early connection; valued for being “unproblematic.”
• Reality TV Rookie:
  • Landed on Perfect Match after considering (and bailing on) auditions for Love Island.
  • “I just want to see if I could get the part... Then I found out I was the first non-former reality TV person.” — Jimmy, [86:13]
• Internet Reception:
  • “We did not expect to like you, but you grew on us.”—Jimmy, [87:29]
• Marissa & Damari’s Arguments:
  • “I get Damari’s side and Marissa’s side…there was a night… only one camera person left…they were just crashing out on that cabana all night talking in circles.” – Jimmy, [89:19]
  • Discusses neurodivergence as both an explanation and a challenge (“If you genuinely can’t control that... you want someone who will embrace you, but at the same time, Damari deserves someone who lets him talk.” — Jimmy, [90:22])
• Ali/Hashim/Jimmy Love Triangle:
  • Jimmy provides a play-by-play of how loyalties and strategies shift, with insight into reality TV dating mechanics and alliances ([91:10]).
• Challenges, Drama, and Realness:
  • Open bar drama, production interventions, the role of music in the “kissing challenge,” and “aura farming” as TikTok/Gen-Z lingo and behavior.
  • Memorable exchange:
    • Q: “Do you have a bedroom move that’s your secret go-to?”
    • A: “I just… put the Weeknd on and light a candle… I like that whole thing to be very organic.” – Jimmy, [100:49]
• Dating in 2026:
  • Jimmy’s take on modern relationships:“I genuinely could care less about a title… as long as we’re communicative… I don’t really care for all the titles.” – Jimmy, [107:24]
• Oddest Off-Camera Moment:
  • Cass's “no guys who don’t let me eat their butt” chat: “I was like, yo, good for you, shorty. It ain’t gonna be me – but hell yeah.” – Jimmy, [102:31]

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Notable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• Nick, on nostalgia and lawn: “We finished the back lawn… first lawn I ever mowed…” [06:00]
• Natalie and Nick on pregnancy discomfort: “There’s nothing that pisses me off more than… I look over and Nick’s scrolling on Twitter” [03:42]
• Jena Sims, on the Masters controversy: “It says, ‘dress appropriately for the weather.’ That’s it.” [28:31]
• Jena on backlash impact: “I loved it because it did wonders for my engagement…” [30:02]
• On the reality of reality TV relationships (Mary): “You have to just own it when you flub… don’t be like ‘this is just who I am, I can’t help it.’” [73:18]
• Jimmy Sotos on Perfect Match “aura farming”: “It’s basically using people or circumstances to gain aura—meaning, just like, life points.” [110:41]
• Banter on Bravo casting: “I would love Crystal to come back—I think she’s the voice of reason…” [69:44]

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Horse walks vs. Catwalks: Live demonstrations of “horse walk” runway style ([17:31]).
• Slam Pig Sash: Group can’t stop referencing the ‘slam pig’ moment and whether reclaiming the label works or not ([51:03]).
• Debate Over Homelessness Definition: Intense yet compassionate conversation about types of homelessness and validation ([58:44]).
• Rihanna’s Bravo Influence: Breaking news that Rihanna DMed Amanda Francis to not quit, and what celebrity support can do for a reality star’s trajectory ([79:37]).
• Behind the Scenes of Perfect Match: Jimmy’s revelations about production, alcohol limits, and unseen moments with castmates ([109:03]).

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Important Timestamps

• 03:09 – Nick & Natalie describe a typical night with twins on the way
• 06:00 – Nick’s emotional story about restoring his childhood home
• 17:31 – Demo of “horse walk” runway
• 27:55 – Jena Sims interview begins
• 31:49 – Jena describes Brooks’ reaction to the Masters backlash
• 46:10 – Jena compares Bravo relationships to her own
• 51:03 – The “slam pig” sash discussion
• 58:44 – Group analyses the ‘homelessness’ label debate
• 84:38 – Jimmy Sotos (Perfect Match) interview begins
• 89:19 – Jimmy on Marissa & Damari’s endless arguments
• 91:10 – Inside the Ali/Hashim/Jimmy triangle
• 110:41 – “Aura farming” explained

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends sharp analysis of reality TV culture with genuine personal insight and humor. Whether it's Jena Sims facing down misogynistic trolls, the cast's tough-love reflections on relationships, or Jimmy Sotos’ fresh take on dating and TV fame, the episode manages to be as heartfelt as it is gossipy.

For anyone seeking both tea and authenticity—with plenty of laughs—this Reality Recap delivers.

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Transcript

[Nick]

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[Jimmy Sotos]

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[Susie]

you're crazy

[Nick]

what's going on what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by my wonderful gorgeous smart articulate and fun wife we got a great household with us sierra susie mary is back her voice is like ninety percent back we got sweet boy justin it's a full house how's everyone doing today oh my

[Mary]

god fantastic great honestly it's good vibes in here so incredible we're the house

[Sierra]

is full it's nice to like have the whole family i don't know if

[Natalie]

that voice is back babes hey guys

[Sierra]

it's cute can everyone just be nice

[Susie]

to me obviously well we have a

[Nick]

fun jam packed episode for you we had the real housewives of rhode island was on on sunday and we get to get into that another fun episode with the ladies we got more episodes of perfect match jimmy soto joins us later this episode to talk about the latest episodes of perfect match there's a lot of arguing going on between damari and marissa that was like triggering it just reminded me of being nineteen again yeah you know arguing with my girlfriends

[Susie]

damari had a couple arguments with a couple girlfriends well no he just kind

[Nick]

of got shut down by kayla right

[Susie]

well and bri they got into an argument at the mixer yeah he's fine with everybody he might be the problem

[Natalie]

i'm just saying he says he attracts feisty feisty women i don't maybe maybe

[Nick]

this is me just stumping for the men i just don't know if he's the problem i don't know we'll get into it later this episode lots to get in too we we like we had a big moment yesterday i gave birth no well she congratulations seemed like maybe last night i thought now they

[Natalie]

might have these guys these braxton hicks i never had them with river i never experienced them once with river and now i'm like they could fall out

[Nick]

at any moment and it's really like bad for the husbands when they're like oh they're fake contractions right so now i'm just being like you know it's fake you know yeah she's on the other side of the bed being like

[Natalie]

ah nick last night nick goes do you want me to get your socks i'm like that's not gonna help i'm

[Nick]

just not sure what i'm supposed to do you know there's no baby coming

[Ashley]

i was asking natalie this the other day where i was like you literally just have to like bear through the pain right because there's no you can't put a heating pad on it you can't take some medicine you just gotta

[Nick]

feel it and you really feel like a piece of shit on my end because you're just like you're like patting her on the shoulder nick just kept

[Natalie]

watching his movie last night and i

[Susie]

was like i could kill him

[Nick]

i'm just not sure what we're supposed to

[Natalie]

do there's nothing that pisses me off more than like me being in pain whatever it is throughout this pregnancy and i look over and nick's like scrolling on twitter he's watching a movie he's like drinking a cup of coffee he's

[Mary]

just like fine life is normal but how long does it is it like a is it like a quick thirty second or is the last five minutes like twenty minutes twenty minutes the whole

[Natalie]

the one contraction isn't twenty minutes no yeah they come in and out but like yeah they they last i don't know yeah like twenty seconds thirty seconds maybe but then you get a little bit of a break and then it comes swinging back in we're getting close

[Nick]

guys we obviously are haven't like revealed the due date or anything but obviously if you we're getting close this is

[Natalie]

our last yeah obviously and and with

[Nick]

twins they you know typically come earlier because there's less real estate i'm wondering should we start a like when will they come what countdown i prefer the real estate there is this there's this

[Mary]

less space she's a luxury property over

[Susie]

there time is limited get yours now before it sells should we start a

[Nick]

little like pool within the household of like what the babies will show up

[Natalie]

yeah i love a bet what are

[Nick]

we winning i feel like i feel like mid june which would be really

[Ashley]

fairly early i have another idea i think we should get one of those like pregnancy stimulators and put it on nick while we record an episode so

[Nick]

that we can contraction like

[Natalie]

tape the watermelon and the cantaloupes two watermelons do

[Nick]

it all right two watermelon no that

[Ashley]

yeah technically right you have to double

[Nick]

it yeah well the watermelon like a

[Natalie]

we'll be doing that or this week

[Nick]

that's just not practical please make sure

[Mary]

i'm here for that and then weigh

[Nick]

like i don't know four pound five pounds now i don't know what i think what do you think they weigh

[Natalie]

how much do you think a watermelon

[Nick]

weighs how much does a watermelon weigh

[Ashley]

it depends on what watermelon you're getting

[Sierra]

it's a banana what could it cost

[Nick]

five dollars anyways we we finished the back lawn finally which was really really nostalgic for me because like you know we have the lake property and we were lucky we have in the backyard it's a pretty big you know a decent amount of of lawn i guess but like when i was a kid my grandfather really like kept it together and it was like a nice green grass and it was like the first lawn i ever mowed i have a distinctly remember being like in the third grade like begging my grandfather and my uncle like to let me mow the lawn and like this relentlessly bugging them and they finally let me obviously when they sold the lake house and the person who bought it like they they were like this is their second home they treated it like just like a lake house cabin and we've gotten to know the previous owner and he was like yeah i didn't buy this place to mow lawns so he let that place just kind of turn into like a field and after we obviously bought it back and remodeled the house that was like the last project and now it's like a beautiful we put the sod in yesterday which was really fun to see first it was like all dirt and then they put in the sod and now it's just like this beautiful green grass it's all fresh trail in the back and we put in an in ground trampoline which was very exciting for me because as a as a relatively you know we weren't poor but like we got by so we never had a trampoline and to be able to get my kid a trampoline feels very cool that is cool yeah that's awesome but you know trampolines can be dangerous so we you know mary

[Natalie]

was like we're gonna print out a rule nick's mom we're gonna print out a rule list and nail it to the tree that's next to the like only one kid at a time jumping

[Nick]

oh but it's in ground it's a

[Mary]

little safer if you haven't been double bounced into i was gonna say as a child you haven't had character building the way my brother and his friends would torment me and i couldn't get off but look at me now guys like yeah getting thriving like look at

[Natalie]

me now guys i have a bad back my neck's sticky oh i have

[Mary]

a herniated disc perfect but she can

[Susie]

slow mo walk better than anybody i

[Ashley]

know wait nick what happens to the in ground trampoline when it rains oh like does it it's no longer trampoline it's just a pool yeah like underneath

[Mary]

it does it gather water you put

[Sierra]

like a tarp or a cover over

[Nick]

it well you know there is dirt underneath and like you know rain kind of goes into the ground so it

[Ashley]

just seeps into the soil we didn't

[Nick]

put like we didn't we didn't like make a pool and then put a trampoline over it to collect water no

[Ashley]

no i was just curious what happened yeah i guess the water does go into the soil just kind of it

[Natalie]

just kind of soaks on in just does what it does but someone recently told me that in ground trampolines are like a snake

[Nick]

we have snakes up here we have fairly they have snakes that do this what is that no

[Mary]

like a water moccasin but i mean

[Nick]

they're not poisonous or anything i have a distinct memory when i was a kid of taking the mail up to the mailbox and there was a snake just like prong like this it's a big black grass snake and i remember just fucking just hauling ass back to the house yeah we haven't seen any of these snakes since we've since we've bought the house but they do exist and they are up here which is terrifying but apparently yeah trampolines there are you know because like heat you know attracts animals sun beats on trampoline there's like a warm space underneath there so you're gonna have a pit and they're gonna be snakes crazy imagine the like make believe the kids will be able to have bouncing on a trampoline with a like with a snake pit underneath

[Sierra]

i think that's pretty cool i would

[Ashley]

be so scared if i was river

[Natalie]

i know i would never get on it i'd have one cousin older cousin

[Nick]

be like yeah there's all these snakes

[Natalie]

under there and i'd be like i'm

[Sierra]

good one time when i was little there were a bunch of snakes in our like back porch and my mom and my sister literally just got like shovels and then went out and just

[Ashley]

like no see that's that's not nice

[Sierra]

to say well yeah i didn't do

[Natalie]

it murder i'm just well well if

[Susie]

you got a snake just call rob

[Ashley]

ross i was gonna say rob ross

[Natalie]

when you do that yeah we don't need it reminds me though of when my sister told me that milk like cow's milk was the cow's blood with just no red blood cells only white

[Mary]

blood cells oh my gosh that's crazy

[Nick]

yeah well the truth is it's not their blood it's their mucus that's actually

[Mary]

right it's worse yeah so that i

[Susie]

didn't grow up with siblings oh my

[Mary]

gosh i was i was traumatized when i was in high school i was like on the homecoming court my freshman year my brother got his friends to chant brush your teeth as i as i walked down

[Sierra]

i know were you

[Nick]

not like a teeth brusher no they

[Mary]

actually it was one of his friends was making fun of my teeth because he said that they were super actually somebody also just recently started making fun of my teeth online the other day actually is it your brother on a burner account now that you mentioned it it might be because they said that i have like so many teeth in my mouth and it's like my face is like this is like so mean but they said it's kind of like punchable you know and they're like just so many that's no no no it's it's honestly funny like i'm like she probably doesn't have any teeth is probably

[Susie]

what's going on let's see your teeth

[Mary]

ma' am yeah show me yours i think i'm gonna go with mine but no i think it was just like my brother's best friend maybe maybe had a crush on me i don't know like he was just like making fun of my teeth because they were big or something and just became a whole bit and then yeah character building guys

[Susie]

yeah your character's amazing and so your

[Ashley]

teeth yeah did you guys notice the spotify logo changing i let it simmer but i'm curious what other people have

[Sierra]

thought death to all of them also

[Nick]

the nanit app for anyone who cares they also changed their logo shout out

[Natalie]

nan which i don't feel like brands should do now i'm like looking everywhere on my phone for that damn app

[Susie]

yeah i feel like everybody just wants to be duolingo duolingo switches their icon like every other month spotify is doing

[Ashley]

it to celebrate their twentieth anniversary so it's cute okay and it's temporary but

[Mary]

i like the disco ball the disco

[Sierra]

ball it just doesn't make sense also spotify it's like flat features your entire branding is flat features you want to go three d disco ball

[Natalie]

does make sense for spotify it kind of does

[Ashley]

the more you think about it but

[Mary]

it looks like you know when your phone has like two it's like not enough storage and then you have to like offload things and it starts like un downloading apps that you don't use that's what it looks like to me and so every time i see it i'm like oh my gosh it's spotify like undownload or something it's like loading or whatever yeah it's just like a

[Ashley]

i am curious what our audience thinks if they've noticed yeah what do you

[Sierra]

guys think let us know yeah are

[Mary]

they with us or against us also

[Ashley]

did you guys notice mall modeling is returning with the victoria's secret casting specifically i feel like i've seen so many models doing it and like gigi hadid

[Nick]

was there when was the last time you guys have been to an indoor

[Susie]

mall more recently than you think yeah

[Ashley]

i almost went yesterday grove is outdoor

[Mary]

oh oh it is outdoor you're right

[Susie]

yeah our local mall is indoor and i definitely go there get my bath

[Mary]

bombs shout out to lush love lush

[Natalie]

yeah it's been a minute for me i feel like but every time i go in i'm like wow they're really like the the oglethorpe mall in savannah is the saddest place you'll ever go into because it's just quiet it's so quiet and there's so many stores like closed down and then it's all it really is left is zoomies bath and body works a starbucks and like a victoria's secret yeah wow justin amer you

[Nick]

guys really missed the mall era as kids

[Ashley]

by the way early two thousands kids were the blends of everything before before it all got changed we got malls we had the the crazy mall carpet we had the mall playgrounds we had the blockbusters we had everything honestly

[Nick]

yeah but like would going to the mall be like an entire day event

[Ashley]

working class parents yes i would hang out at the mall at the front

[Sierra]

i got dropped off at the mall the armal in my hometown now though is literally just like a mega church and then across from that it's a

[Ashley]

spencer's gifts i did think that it is a recession indicator that the mall

[Susie]

castings are coming back yeah i've been going to the mall more recently and every time i go i am shocked by how many people are there where i'm like i think mall culture is coming back because people don't know what

[Sierra]

to do you want a third place

[Mary]

a third place people love a third

[Nick]

place well no now there's all these like studies coming out more and more about how we've all fucked up our brains and our kids by being on the phone and things like that thankfully a lot of parents are realizing like we need to get outside we need to touch grass we need to like engage with people my kid needs friends

[Natalie]

like i remember the mall being the place where obviously you'd go to like hang out with your friends all day in you know junior high high school middle school whatever however you yeah then there were like old people who were doing their walks oh yes yes you know because it was like raining outside or cold or older people let's not

[Nick]

call them old older in my mall

[Sierra]

it was like eighty year old people

[Ashley]

doing their walks and good for them

[Mary]

yeah i love that for them i

[Sierra]

love them all it does make me feel like it there's a feeling of being in a mall that's like nothing else you know what i mean it's like it's its own world the mall

[Nick]

for like middle schoolers was like it was like your first experience of like bar life yeah yeah that's so real

[Sierra]

it was like the mall in six

[Nick]

flags cause like yeah like six flags like you would go like the you know as a kid you know going to six flags the best part was going in line with your friends and you always like try to like find a cute group of for me girls and then you would like try to like make eye contact in the forty five minute line and like try to like meet meet the girls that's so

[Ashley]

real that is real yeah oh my

[Nick]

god mike on your youth group convention

[Susie]

my hometown mall had a ice skating rink in it so that was the that was the move is that like people would go ice skating so then you'd like pair up yeah it was an indoor ice skating rink and then there was a ruby's diner that overlooked the ice skating rink so you get a snack so then everybody would go in and grab their french fries and soda or milkshake nobody ordered a r a real meal because we were like we have twenty dollars and that waitress

[Ashley]

was mad at you every time you

[Susie]

guys walked in literally leaving yeah no for sure i'd hate us too yeah

[Mary]

we did ice skating too though that was like a big thing yeah and

[Susie]

we had a movie theater in there too so it was just kind of like one of the place where like every parent could just drop off their kid for like hours and then be

[Mary]

like okay pick us up at nine o' clock at starbucks i will say i feel like going back to the

[Natalie]

mall modeling i feel like all of those were scams well that's what i'm

[Ashley]

saying because barbizon do you guys remember barbizon oh yes like they would scout kids in the malls and like be like you're the next model pay all this money to john robert power to come like cast with us and then we'll connect you to an agency and i don't think it ever really like

[Mary]

panned out to anything okay if anyone has ever had a success story from it please let us know because i really do think it is like the biggest scam but as a child i would fall for it i like i remember you were special yeah i was like mom i'm special and she's like no i let you do this for fun like we're going home the mall

[Sierra]

the mall mall modeling scams are basically

[Ashley]

the danimals cruise right as you alleged before but this is real though natalie because this is victoria's secret and that's where i'm like victoria's secrets making its comeback like through the runway they did recently and now it's mall castings which is very fascinating to me yeah i

[Susie]

also kind of like it though because it's like giving anybody a chance to audition to be a victoria's secret angel and i just remember like obviously growing up that that was such like a untouchable yeah like it's like you had to know somebody to know somebody so i think it's kind of cool that they're opening up a forum in a

[Natalie]

place that like and can i just

[Ashley]

say i did listen to most of these models like their speeches because they do the walk and then they like answer questions and like a pageant not pageant but you do your walk and then they ask you who you are because i think that's just part of like casting and they want to see your walk yeah and it's about like personality but like some of them are like welders biologists like and they're just doing this to like do stuff for themselves outside of what they do to help others like so it's very inspiring

[Natalie]

also watch and i learned the difference

[Susie]

between a catwalk and a horse walk didn't know that that was two different

[Mary]

things oh i saw that girl she ate so there was doing cartwheels i tried to do no i didn't but i tried to do the horse walk i was like can i do this i couldn't even do it i was like myself literally put on heels in my bedroom and i was like i was like could i do that if i wanted to i literally couldn't wait

[Nick]

can river horse walks oh like this

[Susie]

no no that's galloping it's it's just like a more aggressive catwalk like more

[Nick]

of a stomp can susie or or sierra can you guys get up and demonstrate this horse walk for me do

[Mary]

you want to see that can we watch it no please join me yeah

[Susie]

the forum is yours bip don't worry

[Mary]

i can't though that's the thing is like it's a bad representation well i

[Nick]

just want to see you try really

[Sierra]

yeah and for our audience i'll tell you exact listening audio wise i'll tell you what's going on right now okay susie's her high knees oh the legs really go up yeah it's the legs really go up and it's more of a stomp i see the horse both of her it's giving i see the

[Mary]

horse is crazy

[Nick]

i feel like is not very flattering name for for what

[Mary]

that is very good you guys should i go to a casting i think

[Ashley]

you should they're having them and do

[Nick]

that i think you should be like stomping glide stomp and glide stomp and

[Natalie]

glide i used to make my mom sit at the end of the hallway and watch me do my runway walk in her high heels oh that is

[Nick]

cute speaking of runway walks the sports illustrated runway is coming to hulu coming up soon and one of its participants jenna sims who is the wife of one of the best golfers in the world brooks kafka who was recently under fire have you guys familiar with this story it's kind of wild i've just

[Mary]

learned about this just learned about it and i'm angry yeah for anyone who

[Nick]

doesn't know apparently jenna sims husband wife of said golfer brooks kafka went to the masters not too long ago and like basically got like slut shamed sounds about right for her outfits and you i heard about this story and i was like man jenna sims like is getting like flamed in the comments and criticized for what she wore and i'm like wondering like did she show up in a swimsuit i was wondering like is it like really provocative like what what's going on here and then i looked at the video and all of a sudden like i'm like this this she could wear this to church she

[Mary]

looks fabulous like that's my issue with golf culture i'm like i i'm all for like some traditions keep your traditions but like she looked beautiful she looked put together she looked classy so honestly people are just hating and i and i don't like when people are like there's so tied to a tradition of like your your shoulders have to be covered or something like she also when

[Ashley]

we interviewed her we'll get into it but she basically says like the tradition is not that like there's a dress code and the dress code is what

[Mary]

i'm wearing right yeah exactly and it's like her bright colors and her just her essence i was like no i'm so into this and it's it pisses me off i'm like leave your leave your hatred at home it's giving slow

[Nick]

news day what's the most provocative thing you guys have worn to church my

[Sierra]

mom used to drag me to church in my pajamas so i guess that

[Ashley]

was kind of provocative i have kesha merch that says i'm blessed oh my god in a catholic church and forget but they would always be like oh these are the youngins like they're like they're in love with like jesus and god and i'd be like yes i am blessed thank you yeah i'm blessed

[Mary]

i'm blessed i don't think i've ever worn anything crazy i remember like being

[Natalie]

like wearing shorts to school and then them making me like stand and do the hand test making sure long enough

[Sierra]

do you remember like to like i remember i got boobs early and it was so annoying because like i couldn't wear tank tops i would get dress coded and i would be like guys i'm literally just doing my best here

[Natalie]

puberty happens literally your shoulders are so distracting to philip who's sitting behind you he can't focus on math because your

[Sierra]

shoulders i was like totally me and my slicked back bun looking like yeah

[Susie]

but why was spaghetti straps considered like a no no but then like a regular tank top was fine where i'm like you're talking about two inches of

[Sierra]

a strap because allegedly you can see a bra strap and that's too much

[Susie]

are we wearing bras back then i

[Sierra]

mean i had to for fuck's sake

[Susie]

news to me by the way i

[Ashley]

feel like dress codes dress codes don't exist anymore at like high schools oh no my little sister's high school she's like there's not a dress code and

[Sierra]

i'm like that's crazy they're wearing like

[Susie]

strapless tube bras justice for all the

[Ashley]

kids i went to school with they were like getting sent to the office going home getting marked up oh my

[Sierra]

god i used to have to change

[Ashley]

i was so mad oh yeah the crazy clothes one time i had a

[Sierra]

change because they were like we can see your bralette through your tank top and i was like well the bralette is covering the bra i have under like it was like a little thing and then a tank top over oh

[Ashley]

bralette's a little scammy one of my

[Natalie]

like first clinical rotations for being like in college for surgical tech we had to wear purple scrubs and i i don't know what happened but like i went and bought a pair of scrubs i think maybe they were purple's like not an easy color to find right not a lot of sizes and shades in this eggplant color purple that they wanted us to wear so they were maybe like tighter than they should have been and i remember my first day of clinicals my teacher at the end of the day we'd like all sit down and we'd talk about like how the day went what surgeries did you scrub into whatever what she was like and natalie you need to get bigger scrubs every one of your preceptors and the nurses were complaining about how tight your scrubs were oh that's you have to get bigger scrubs and i was like wait but what if i like had just gained weight what if you know like what the and they made me yeah go and get new scrubs

[Mary]

sorry my body's tea like she said

[Ashley]

this in front of the class or

[Sierra]

like yeah oh whoa that's mean it's

[Nick]

not my fault my wife has a

[Mary]

great ass that's what i'm saying i'm like she can't help it that her body is eating that thing up you

[Sierra]

know sorry she's a bad i'm sorry

[Mary]

like she can't help it that she looks that damn good her body was

[Nick]

the doctor her literally also like when a patient comes out of anesthesia that's like a kindness to like to have the first thing they see is that great ass just popping out they don't

[Natalie]

even see me when they wake up i'm only during the surgery and they

[Mary]

wish that they could that's the thing you know and i wear like a

[Natalie]

big gown like you wear like a

[Ashley]

surgical oh that's right gown over your

[Nick]

scrubs what if part of surgery was like creating a really nice fun atmosphere for the patient coming out of anesthesia

[Mary]

one thousand percent i quit you know

[Sierra]

i think that should happen next season

[Nick]

on the pit well for anyone listening who's ever felt a little judged or shamed by their gorgeous outfit they they decided to put on our next guest jenna sim joins us to talk about her experience what it was like to be absolutely roasted in the comments for wearing something that was very stylish very beautiful very chic and how she handled that obviously she and her husband is a world class golfer for all the ladies out there whose husbands are fan of golf you're going to want to tune into this episode as well so maybe pause it grab your boy and get a little tea on what it's like to be married to one of the greatest golfers in the world jenna sims is up next oh well before we get to jenna sims don't forget the vile files plus is ad free and plus you get additional bonus content like our reality recap deep dives our pop extra roundups our pop extra episodes and our up and our update specials all your favorite updates from your favorite ask nick episode so if you haven't signed up yet you're definitely missing out go to vilephiles dot com to check it out you'll be glad that you

[Natalie]

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[Nick]

the show thanks we're super excited to have you i gotta say i'm i'm kind of blown away by the story because when it was like brought to my attention and like i heard like the tea leaves of like oh brooks kafka's wife is like under controversy for like what she wore to the masters i'm like man what did she wear and i'm like i'm expecting to see you in like you know like dressed as like adam and eve with like leaves on your chest or something and then i looked at the outfit and i was like what a wonderfully nice sunday like i you could have worn

[Natalie]

that to church oh thank you yeah

[Nick]

i mean like maybe a lot of people might have disagree with me i don't know but like i thought it

[Jenna Sims]

was fine you know tiktok i every single year like the tiktok algorithm chooses the masters so it's pushing my content to people who are not familiar with who i am familiar with golf not familiar with what to wear so then all of a sudden for one week of the whole year everybody becomes experts on the game of golf and what to wear to golf tournaments and i'm dressing like myself i feel very appropriate in fact on the masters website which i just double checked like five minutes ago for the like official dress code it says dress appropriately for the weather that's it doesn't say cover your tits up it doesn't say not you can't show your belly button so i i was fine just the internet decided to crown me you know the villain of

[Nick]

the week yeah how does it feel to be like the golf queen's like controversial wife which is like as someone i don't know how much you know about my background but when i went

[Jenna Sims]

on i watched bachelor i'm an elder millennial we grew up watching the bachelor

[Nick]

i've seen it all i always was like i just remember growing up being like i'm a good guy you know i listen to my parents i follow the rules like i'm a pretty boring guy and then somehow some way i was i was like you're the controversial character and i was like huh like how did i become controversial like was this like shit shocking to you like how did you process all of a sudden waking up one day and having the internet tell you that you were like somehow being inappropriate it's probably not

[Jenna Sims]

unlike the bachelor because you know you guys don't have your cell phones so you know you really didn't know until you know you knew and it's kind of that way at augusta people they assume that just because we're the wife of a player that we can have our phones out there but we have to play by the same rules as everybody else like i didn't have my phone so i'm just posting my outfits going about my day and then there might as well have been smoke blowing out of the bottom of my phone like it was crazy i think people just assume like just because i crack a joke or have a personality they like maybe confuse that with being a villain but i loved it because it did wonders for my engagement you know people like you reaching out and you know agencies reaching out bigger agencies reaching out and it just it led to so many more opportunities and this is

[Natalie]

like your tenth eleventh masters that you've been to i mean like i feel like you know at this point you know this isn't your first rodeo literally

[Jenna Sims]

and i'm not i wasn't posting everybody every female on planet earth if you're going to the super bowl if you're going to the derby if you're going to the masters those three sporting events are to me you know equal in their respective categories every influencer posts what they're wearing i wasn't even out there to make money i didn't link i mean i didn't link hardly anything cause i didn't have time i was just simply sharing what i was wearing because i'm passionate about that it's so i'm

[Nick]

curious how at what point did you make brooks aware of this drama that you were caught up in because i got to assume that he needs to be like focused on his game like not distracted but obviously he's your husband like when we are caught up in like drama that we didn't choose to be a part of like she is my go to i'm her go to but like are you able to like bother him entering the masters he's the

[Jenna Sims]

best he's one of the girls he's all in on it like i didn't realize this was the first time i've ever done anything where i've been viral i've for both good and bad things like it was nothing like this because it was the first time people were doing sort of like the green screen videos where they would put up you know cycle through my outfits and they were the talking head against my content sure yeah holy shit that has never happened to me before i'm literally just attending the tournament like anybody else i knew going into it that because last year every single thing i posted would get a million hits and it was just like oh my god so i was like i knew this year it was going to kind of be the same but he wasn't really in on it until i showed him sort of these types of videos he was like oh my god and then i messaged him and he was actually still at the course like getting worked on i was like i am getting like slate i'm getting raked over the coals right now and all he said back was send me your outfit like send me a picture because he didn't see me there's hundreds of people so he didn't know what i was wearing so he was probably going oh god what did you have on today because i mean shit i could wear anything out there you know and rock it but i try to be aware and be conscious of the decorum of the masters because i i don't want to get my credentials taken away you know i i think i don't even think i toed the line i think everything that i wore was completely appropriate but i sent him the very first one which was that hunter green sort of scalloped it had like like this it barely showed anything more of this was i mean it was covered no cleavage it was just a little bit of belly button area and that's the one that really sent them over the edge and i sent that to brooks and he was like what the heck like i think that's totally fine so it was a little bit of a relief just because i'm not trying to fuck his game up in any way like i know i mean we've been together for so long like i know you know we have this like running joke of like i don't if anything happens in your life i don't want to hear about it unless your leg is getting chopped off like during the week of augusta like if any minor inconvenience happens to you i don't want i don't care you know just for one week of

[Natalie]

the year i don't i don't want

[Jenna Sims]

to hear about it so i respect that and so i was more or less just like this kind of involves you a little bit like this is a thing and he was like oh whatever that's nothing how did you guys meet we met on instagram actually same yeah yeah who which who slid into whose dms for y' all i slid into his me too oh yes not

[Nick]

nice what was the message oh my

[Jenna Sims]

gosh so this is like sometimes i don't even don't even take time to explain this but this was before you could respond to a story on instagram so this was like a cold call and we had this one waste management in twenty fifteen so i've literally known him for eleven years now and it was remember back then filters were just so popular you would post a of a filtered like throw three filters on this water bottle and i was like art and so this was i used to live in la i was in my shitty sherman oaks apartment that had like brown carpet and popcorn ceiling and i had like a dead plant behind me and it was a very simple selfie i had clothes on i actually had a hat on and i said does this filter make my plant look tan awesome that's great and he responded and then like down the line i asked him i was like because he was hot you know he's a hottie i'm not stupid i'm like what like made my profile sort of stand out amongst everyone else because i am socially aware i know that i'm not the only hot bitch in your dm's and he was like i don't know i just looked at your page you were funny and i just had this connection with you and i was like you know what i feel the same i knew back then that i was gonna marry this man it wasn't love at first sight per se but i was like i just know there's something about this man and now we we have almost a three year old we have a dog we have our life together

[Nick]

that's literally our how did the first date happen like we met on on instagram and then we we met up

[Natalie]

in new york because yeah i doubt he wasn't living in la was he

[Jenna Sims]

where is he from no he lived here where i'm now in florida okay and yeah we could not have been further from each other actually our first date was at the masters okay there you go i know full circle like literally anything major that's happening in my life happened to the masters you know

[Nick]

what i figured it out jenna basically all your haters on tiktok or all the ladies who were sliding into brooks's dm's back in the day and didn't get a response and now they're up there and they're just pissed they were

[Jenna Sims]

just waiting i looked like one of

[Nick]

the comments when you were like listen i've been to the masters before you guys probably haven't i know how this shit works and then one of the comments that had like like like a fifteen hundred likes some like smart ass girl was like well i've been in the masters and i was in your comments and i was like okay good congratulations and i went on i was and then i look at then you go look at the person's profile you're like okay i don't know it was

[Jenna Sims]

crazy but yeah he invited me to the masters in twenty fifteen actually right after we met so our first date was literally right after he played that

[Nick]

day how did he do that tournament

[Jenna Sims]

oh my gosh see i was the queen of like playing it cool i flew in for like two nights so i was there like maybe wednesday thursday and i flew back back to my home apartment in la i think oh twenty fifteen i don't know he probably top tend it i think he did okay i'd have to chat gpt it i don't know did you know much

[Natalie]

about golf before you met him or was this like a whole new life

[Jenna Sims]

for you no i knew a lot about golf actually i'm from georgia so i grew up that's how my dad and i bonded we grew up watching the masters together my dad was a big golfer i i know a lot more about it now you guys should

[Nick]

be best friends she's from georgia and her dad was a golfer yeah oh

[Jenna Sims]

fun i'm from weinger it's a really

[Natalie]

small town savannah ranking outside of savannah

[Jenna Sims]

yeah yeah but i've only been there for like bachelorette parties i know that's

[Natalie]

usually the case yeah that's so wild so the blanket pants that you had custom made where did this idea come from how did you decide to do

[Jenna Sims]

this so there's a brand called yellow the label they've they make like little catchy things they've got a shirt that says like no prying on the yacht like i'm sure it's like it always pops up on people's like targeted ads they put out this pant but in a different blanket and it was just a general exact same style of blanket that like throw blanket with the fringe and it was like a vintage and i actually reached out to them and i was like oh my gosh could i get the pattern or they were like no you know good luck but my sister saw it and she was like it was kind of her idea she's you know similar to me big golf fan big into fashion and she was like you have to like make these pants for the masters and so i found two i don't know how i did this i know it's going to be impossible now but two of the exact same throw blankets from nineteen ninety seven masters and i work with a seamstress a tailor in new york city for like all my special events like she's an epic tailor and we made them i brought i flew up to new york we had like a little family christmas trip so it wasn't just for that we brought our whole family we did like the plaza christmas experience it was so fun i brought a pair of sweatpants that i thought fit me perfectly so she didn't have to really take any measurements i was like this is this pair of sweatpants here are two pairs of two blankets and we essentially just laid out exactly on each leg of the pant where like which part of the blanket we wanted to be on the pant and it just like turned out way better than i anticipated i i knew that was going to be a viral moment i honestly didn't think it was going to be a negative viral moment people were so upset that was the one that like at and t like the at and t was hating on my page and for what like at and t got in the comments like videos go super duper viral it'll be like the brand smart and you know all these random companies you're like what are you doing commenting under my video like pantene pro v like just random companies and at and t was like oh i didn't know you were at coachella and i'm an at and t customer and it pissed me wait a minute wait the gen z influencer marketing is running your social media she needs to be fired because i'm a loyal customer but not for long you know mint

[Nick]

mobile they'll take you fifteen dollars a

[Natalie]

month and your service sucks wait y' all also have a three year old we have a two she'll be two

[Jenna Sims]

and a half this summer yeah crew will be three this summer okay how

[Natalie]

has toddlerhood been for you guys we

[Jenna Sims]

well tough in the beginning so y' all are just behind me so i don't want to play the just wait because i'm sure you hear it a lot but the ages of from two to two and a half that was challenging for me because he couldn't quite talk yet a little more destructive you know you can't necessarily like leave him in a room and expect that things are gonna be fine now he's he's almost three he'll be three in july so now we're having full conversations he's almost potty trained it is my favorite age like he negotiates i'm like it's time to go nap and he's like five more minutes like how did you even know he's like what it the shit that comes out of his mouth it was it is so much fun it is so funny but on the flip side of that now like brooks is on the road it's a tournament week so i'm solo parenting this week and it's hard because he he kind of understands now that brooks travels a lot for work so he gets a little more emotional like i picked him up from school today he was like where's dada i'm like oh dada's golfing and he's like no dada golf

[Mary]

and

[Jenna Sims]

it just little things like that like crush me because he's starting to like have more feelings and yeah he's just he's a little human now instead of like you know a little blob yeah

[Nick]

we can definitely relate yeah they're they're little potatoes at first but it's like those moments are always like yeah like crushes but it's like it's good to know that they miss you or good to know you're missing no we're up at the lake right now and i went on a boat ride and and natalie was filming river well we were

[Natalie]

we were all gonna go and then river did not she pitched a fit didn't want to go she's like i want to go back in the house i'm like okay whatever i'll stay with you so we stayed back and then as soon as they pull off and drive away she's like picks up the remote control puts it up to her ear and she's like dad da why you leave me why you leave me on the boat i was like you

[Mary]

didn't want to go remember it was

[Jenna Sims]

good to be messed up now you

[Natalie]

know do y' all want more or do you feel like y' all are content with one you know we've we've

[Jenna Sims]

been through a lot as a family i had a second trimester loss last so sorry or last fall thank you sadly not our only loss but so i've kind of i've been through a lot and after that it was it was pretty traumatic just everything that i had to go through to not be pregnant anymore yeah that was a lot so i'm still kind of recovering mentally i'm not i'm perfectly recovered thank god but probably not right now i'm thirty seven i know i'm kind of like how do you decide but for now we're just i call it one and fun for now yeah that's kind of

[Natalie]

i mean yeah that's you know we experienced the same thing we had three of three miscarriages and it's it's such a hard thing to like yeah like you're saying to mentally feel like you are moving through it and moving not past it because you don't ever i don't think move past it but just get to the other side where you can look at things with like a brighter light and it not feel so

[Nick]

dark the second trimester i'm so sorry

[Jenna Sims]

that mean oh yeah it was right

[Nick]

a doozy it's yeah we my heart goes out to you it's a very painful experience and every situation is different but there's no good way to yeah but yeah we we relate to that pain and i'm so sorry you deal

[Jenna Sims]

with that i hold crew so much tight like it made me really appreciate crew even even more than i already

[Nick]

did well you have the si runway show coming up that's going to be streaming on hulu that's very exciting how like so that's going to be your moment how does brooks show up for you when you're having your moment in ways that you often are showing up

[Jenna Sims]

for brooks zachary he is the loudest cheerleader it's like the one event he typically is able to go to with his golf schedule so he really looks forward to it because he's i've been with sports illustrated for like four years now and he's gotten to know the staff and the other models and they adore him because i mentioned earlier he's like literally one of the girls like he loves to shit talk and drink spicy margaritas and dress up honestly he's like what are we gonna wear to the red carpet like he loves it so i think it's just a fun departure and also like he knows how much i support him even when i'm not there like i live and die by that scoreboard and you know i make sure crew is watching and understands what's going on so i think it means a lot to him that he's able to support me in that way

[Natalie]

is crew gonna come to the runway

[Jenna Sims]

show or oh yeah well he comes but it starts at like nine pm so you know i'm not keeping him up too much rehearsal are you jenna

[Nick]

are you still watching a lot of reality tv these days or have you

[Jenna Sims]

graduated graduated from that no do you ever graduate i don't i don't want

[Nick]

to assume what are you watching these

[Jenna Sims]

days we watch ninety day fiance on tlc okay and every single spin off we watch a lot of bravo so i'm taking the amanda petula controversy to

[Nick]

heart okay what's how are you processing that do you have what's your what's your take on that whole situation so

[Jenna Sims]

this is tough because people it's unbelievable how people really live and die by this controversy and i was always an amanda batula stan like in a way i can relate to i actually blame kyle for all this i can relate in a way of like in the early days of mine and brooks's relationship he was a big party boy he would go out all the time like all the time he was kyle cook and i was the amanda going i'm ready to settle down when are you gonna stop going out and then one day i said you are going to stop fucking doing this or i'm out and that's where the two roads diverge in the woods brooks listened to me and calmed his calmed down and then we got engaged got married had a family life is good you know we went the normal route but kyle cook now said no i'm good i'm not i'm actually gonna double down on my partying and become a dj and stay out till six am so then then i'm like well shit i kind of i do have a soft spot for her because she just she did love him but he didn't there's there was no compromise and honestly maybe no compromise on either side now that i'm kind of watching it all play back want her to have a little more fun too but obviously i'm a girl's girl and i would never ever ever do that to any of my girlfriends so it's tough to really take a hard stance because there's so many different like sort of layers to it yeah but obviously i think she screwed herself you know in more in so many what

[Nick]

do you think of wes these days

[Jenna Sims]

i get the whole he's a funny guy you know he's the he's the classic rebound however she lives in manhattan there's probably ten thousand of him in manhattan so she didn't have to go with the one that dated her best friend you know yeah yeah i yeah

[Nick]

no i get it i just i just empathize with her like i thought that moment last week when she's like crying to me and and sierra and she was like i'm just afraid i'm not good for anyone else i just i really believed her that she felt that yeah in a way like you

[Jenna Sims]

know she wants to play the victim though she likes to say some and then people are like but no we

[Nick]

love you yeah well i don't like i'm not excusing her i i just think you're in a relationship for ten years you get divorced and you're just kind of like how do you start over and here's this like funny goofy guy that everyone likes and he's finally you know you're he's nice to you in a way your husband wasn't i even was i i don't get it

[Jenna Sims]

i've had many a rebound dudes that were just like the funny guy i i get it yeah he really is

[Nick]

you're right that's so good he is the rebound guy he's made a whole

[Jenna Sims]

career out of it he's not the husband he's definitely the rebound yeah well

[Nick]

jenna this has been fun catching up with you don't listen to the haters you know not that my opinion matters i thought you could wear that out fit to church but you know maybe i'm maybe i'm problematic i don't know but i thought you looked great we appreciate you taking the time congratulations on everything going on thanks for you know sharing a little bit about your insight with your relationship with brooke it's always fun to hear how you guys met and how you guys make such an exciting life work and congratulations on the si runway show we're excited to see it premiere you're doing it with a lot of friends of show camille and brooks and a lot of great people we're also fans of so congratulations and and we're excited we're excited to see

[Jenna Sims]

it premiere thank you it was nice to meet you all i feel like we have a lot a lot in common a lot in common great yeah

[Nick]

you guys can be internet friends you have certainly a lot to talk about we'll get to meet you in person i'm pretty sure i i think i met brooks once outside of craig's between some mutual friends in la yep that

[Jenna Sims]

checks out he loves those boys yeah

[Nick]

i think i met him once anyways great talking with you jenna thanks for taking the time thanks bye bye

[Jenna Sims]

she

[Nick]

was fun i also love that she's

[Natalie]

watching summer house i'll say i've never felt uglier as soon as she popped on i was like i'll kill myself i said you know what and i'll

[Ashley]

see myself out you guys are both really gorgeous and i wanted to ask her like what should i wear at the next masters like i want to go i want to go i don't know golf but i want to go

[Mary]

i just started taking lessons like it's like a new thing that i'm into now so if anybody wants to go we can wait you guys oh my god we should go golfing there's four of us we can fit in a golf cart and we can just like we can just drink oh my god

[Natalie]

yes are we nothing to you i

[Mary]

used to golf you guys are not here right now but she said there's

[Natalie]

four of us i said well five

[Mary]

six on this couch over here but when you guys come back obviously i would love to go golfing with you

[Ashley]

guys it'll be you guys and the twins in the other car oh my

[Mary]

god oh wait that's so cute we can get baby seeds yeah four verse

[Nick]

four i can't believe we're about to have like three girls it's like happening

[Natalie]

real soon i can't believe i'm twenty seven with three children and you know

[Ashley]

what you did that that's crazy well

[Nick]

we also had the real housewives of rhode island airing on sunday first of all slam pig great name awesome i've

[Sierra]

never heard that before slam pig has entered my brain and it's never leaving

[Susie]

i love it they were all like what does that mean and i was like i had an idea just very easily of how it was used by

[Ashley]

the way do you remember jersey a couple seasons ago when it was jennifer aiden i think who like pulled out some like random word of like wolf something or whatever and then use it as an insult and everybody was like what does that mean going to like a definition of it and it just doesn't land but yeah but this one

[Susie]

landed i knew what a slam pig

[Mary]

was no definition needed yeah i got

[Sierra]

i got i picked up what she was putting down yeah would she slam down yeah i got it and then

[Nick]

kelsey decided to like throw out accusations towards rosie are these cheating accusations that kelsey threw rosie's way have these the first time they've been brought up as

[Mary]

far as i know right i don't know if it's been brought up previously

[Ashley]

in the season the ones that kelsey brought up about rosie with like the

[Nick]

basketball coach yeah the basketball coach and some other person well rosie said in

[Ashley]

our show that these are well known rumors like in rhode island of like or like like around rhode island where she said that because she was a news reporter yeah or like a school journalist people just started small chattering changing the story yeah and identifying her with it so i think it's just like that's well known in rhode island yeah

[Sierra]

within rhode island there was like the basketball coach like did get called out for having an affair but she was

[Ashley]

at a different school right yeah they

[Sierra]

like conflated her with the girl you

[Natalie]

know what you should just go back and listen to our episode with rosie where she breaks down this entire rumor and gives us all the tea behind it and how it got started i

[Nick]

don't think kelsey is as funny as she thinks she is or maybe do you think she thinks she's funny or do you think when she just like it doesn't land she's like oh i was just joking because like last episode she shows up in the range rover like screaming in the microphone the siren she's the real estate police and then that's a joke and then today i just don't get how being called a slam pig and then showing up with a sash for like game night where there's a bunch of kids yeah wearing a sash that says slam pig is like i don't know if that's like the the own that she thinks it was i don't know it's just like you're wearing it you're the one wearing the sash that says slam pig sounds

[Ashley]

like your own i think she's sadly kind of eight though because it's like all right what do you either you have two options you create create drama by being like that was mean or you just own it and like they can't use it against you but then

[Sierra]

she's going to be branded we know how housewives branding works she's going to be branded as a slam pig but

[Ashley]

now it's kind of country it also

[Nick]

just wasn't funny well now the internet will literally always have memes if they want to of like kelsey wearing a sash that says slam pig and i just feel like maybe that like she might come to regret that yeah because

[Sierra]

i'm certainly gonna use them what i

[Mary]

will say is that i'm kind of glad she did though because i don't i also like don't think it landed and i feel like the people that have been riding for her this whole time are finally like okay like let's calm down and i feel like the dynamics are starting to shift a little bit where people are like okay you like won't drop this and like you're you're looking for trouble now m so i'm like okay i feel like people are coming around to seeing some of her like not so nice side i

[Nick]

also feel like you can tell that like kelsey's relationship status is bothering her because like she goes to this dinner with her new boyfriend and it's like a triple date all the husbands are there and then she's like asking the husbands like what do you think of like how i move in relationships and i just feel like that would be like a nightmare situation for her new boyfriend because i just feel like it would be fairly emasculating for most men to have your girlfriend's bills being paid by another man specifically like your rent in life insurance or like any type of insurance which is the type of like payment where it's like he is literally taking care of her because like that's her house and like her insurance and it just feels like well he's only doing it because apparently like it just implies that your new boyfriend can't do it and then she's explaining this to like two other men who no doubt would be like yeah i would never be comfortable with that they don't really know how to answer that and the way she's just trying to almost convince everyone that how she moves is normal while everyone kind of like having this deer in headlights look being like yeah no totally it's like yeah do

[Ashley]

do you it was like a question that was meant for couples therapy or like behind closed doors that she asked to the friend group which then feels weird because now her boyfriend can't really

[Mary]

say anything yeah or he feels like

[Susie]

it's like making him be like oh like i have insecurity issues where i'm like no it is a little uncomfortable

[Nick]

you're either the guy who's like yeah no that doesn't bother me but then you're the guy who that doesn't bother which like almost is just as weird

[Susie]

yeah yeah yeah like handing over like it's okay that she's being taken care of by another man because i can't but it's also kind of like it's again it's just weird that she even wants to bring this up on like a as a group debate and like i don't know yeah you're emasculating the

[Ashley]

guy's therapy save it for a different

[Susie]

context yeah and also just say like you're not really capable of taking care of yourself because i think that's a big part of it too she said she doesn't know how to do she doesn't know what a mortgage is she

[Natalie]

doesn't know any of that stuff so

[Susie]

i'm like i also think that it's kind of like the guy being like if i don't do this who is

[Mary]

gonna do it for you right you

[Susie]

know what i mean she's gonna be

[Mary]

homeless yeah in essence it's like better to be vulnerable and just be like i actually like i don't really feel like i have a choice like i don't have a career i don't have the finances to do it myself so like you can't blame her i mean you can it's like i understand the

[Ashley]

circumstances can't blame her because she like gave up her independence to be with a man right well he does my man does kind of over like i

[Mary]

mean no i you're not wrong one

[Sierra]

hundred yeah she did give up her independence to be with a man but she did know like she made that choice it's not like he forced her

[Nick]

to do that yeah like the the sentence says she gave it up yeah

[Sierra]

like she chose to do that i'm not saying that there weren't like certain

[Ashley]

power dynamics probably present suddenly mary's backtracking on misogyny but okay

[Sierra]

let me suddenly mary's no longer feminist suddenly i hate

[Natalie]

women

[Sierra]

yeah anyway so what i'm trying to say is that obviously like she made the choice to do that but then there are certain power dynamics at play that like yeah he because of that like he probably was like controlling about finances and stuff with her and like didn't give her the opportunity stop

[Nick]

her from learning how to like she

[Sierra]

didn't do it on her own which

[Ashley]

is kind of her fault what complicates all of this is the fact that she may have allegedly not even been with the man before filming and asked the mom to be filming in her

[Mary]

house yeah what wait what those are

[Ashley]

the whole thing according to rosie rosie but everybody's saying that like she this

[Mary]

happened a year ago yeah that she

[Ashley]

was already broken up before filming but then like convinced the mom to let her film in the house because his mom owns the house not her man

[Mary]

yeah yeah i missed this that this this that's we're watching unfold is kind

[Ashley]

of like a fake storyline because it's like her like asking her boyfriend which i think they're friends to like use this as like to move back into the house to film for the show

[Susie]

so when rosie's like where's your house that's what she's actually saying yes that's

[Mary]

a rosie saying curious yeah and okay

[Ashley]

not to derail the combo but that's what to me i always think about that while we're talking about this that like it's like well this is all

[Susie]

because i was gonna try to give kelsey the benefit of the i think

[Ashley]

we should though i love kelsey because

[Susie]

i was like she did make a point where i'm like yeah just because you guys didn't get married you were with somebody for ten years so i'm like we're watching the same play out with dorit and all these people going through messy divorces that are like i feel entitled to alimony to and she

[Sierra]

should support sugar babies should get alimony

[Mary]

yeah they put in their time yes

[Nick]

it is i feel like kelsey should have been in the car with liz and alicia when they were talking about the definition of homeless mary and i

[Sierra]

had this debate we did have this

[Mary]

debate yesterday okay i'm curious how y'

[Nick]

all feel about it i'm team alicia

[Sierra]

here i'm team alicia as well like

[Nick]

how many nights do you have to like be without a home to feel like at some point in your life

[Sierra]

you were homeless and obviously there's a difference between being in a position where you don't have like your family home but you have other people within your family and your community that you can like like stay with than being on the street or in your car yeah

[Nick]

but like you still don't have a

[Natalie]

home after i was in a relationship where i lived with the guy was very bad i moved out i felt very you know i was like i'm not going to call my family and tell everyone like this is what happened so i lived in my car for like a little over a week and i feel like during that time i

[Nick]

was homeless yeah yeah you didn't have your own home if you have to ask a favor or permission to stay at an another house that's not yours yeah and you have nowhere else to go but a hotel even if even if you can afford a hotel you're

[Mary]

still homeless yeah and i also just think anybody getting so particular about the definition of it i'm like well if you haven't experienced it then i don't know that you should be the one like policing how you use that term yeah and i'm like now it's a bigger deal where she basically i agree with what she said where she's like i was being vulnerable and like shared something and now you're criticizing the verbiage in the way that i said it like you didn't grow up living my experience and like yeah maybe compared to people who are living on the street or living in shelter yeah exactly unhoused like of course like there's variations of that definition but i'm like to be so nitpicky about that i'm like it's i don't know it's kind of giving like hater or like i think my

[Ashley]

take on it is that i didn't like how the conversation went because i agree with you guys that i think like that's alicia's like way that she experienced it and how she voiced it but i do see what liz is saying where she's saying like the term homelessness implies something more like broadly when people use that that implies something so specific that might have not been what they observed alicia to have experience you

[Nick]

know yeah but that so what it

[Ashley]

was a little invalidating though but i see what liz was saying i think

[Sierra]

i just wonder like what because i don't think that liz's actual issue with alicia is this homelessness thing it obviously is something else and it's this little thing that she's nitpicking to like project project all of her issues onto it

[Nick]

i feel like it's yeah i feel like it's liz is like the matriarch of the group and i feel like she's like the you know almost like the story please yeah and she's like

[Sierra]

that's not right i think she has

[Nick]

a way of kind of minim you know just like let her do it

[Susie]

well she also knows everybody's family too so i think for her that she's like that's not fair for you to say for your you know whoever's sake that took care of you or whatever

[Ashley]

but that's what i'm saying is like even whose husband was also saying that he grew up really close close to alicia's like his mom was friends with alicia's mom yeah it was like someone joe so like i think there's a world where all these people that know their family is like what you experience is not what we consider homelessness but that is what it felt yeah what

[Natalie]

you saw from the outside of some family could be completely different than what alicia lived clearly we have joellen who's like this is what my mom did to me and alicia's like oh my god i always remembered your mom to be just like this sweet loving parent this is so shocking to me so like clearly which is what i was trying to say like know the full

[Sierra]

story and also just like justice for alicia she just wants her ten percent of pizza mama a cracker a cracker and to have a good day like

[Mary]

let her cook she's so cute she's

[Nick]

so cute could you imagine if i made you give me like a business plan to like poster boards it was

[Mary]

so i love her i love alicia

[Sierra]

she's becoming meredith marks level to me of like i love her yeah her

[Ashley]

cameos are awesome awesome too i don't

[Sierra]

know if you're like i just hit my woman with that car and like then i just gotta i know you and i both love crackers my dear

[Nick]

friend ashley does she know what show she signed up for i don't know

[Susie]

but you should tell her you're being

[Nick]

like these are the guys we're only talking about drama i'm obsessed i love

[Ashley]

actually she knew and she's delivering she's delivering those tears give me more give

[Susie]

me more i loved was it liz or someone just like just don't cry

[Mary]

just don't cry wait i did not i didn't like i think it was joe ellen that was like you're being embarrassing in your own spot or whatever i was like be quiet i'm like she's allowed to cry at her birthday

[Ashley]

party you know what i mean like it's her birthday she had meredith marks level when she came out of nowhere with like the screaming yeah yes and i was like thank you give me

[Mary]

more it was so funny it's a

[Nick]

family establishment you got kelsey walking in with a slam pig sash i'd cry

[Ashley]

right you know the kids are like

[Natalie]

what is that though and then all these women are arguing and you have jared being like and who is the star wars character yeah no no the

[Susie]

best is after ashley's crash out and you hear jared say something and she goes okay so what's star wars no

[Ashley]

she said no no no it was specifically ring so what's the big blue bug and then alicia goes i think it's just the big blue bug yeah

[Mary]

no but it was so funny she's

[Sierra]

so funny it was her completely having a mental breakdown and that just going

[Susie]

okay the women hiding under the table

[Sierra]

the women hiding the table she's like what is the big blue bug i

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

gotta focus on trivia right now they

[Ashley]

had some ankle strength to be in those heels squatting under the table i

[Susie]

clocked that and also like good on jared when ashley was kind of like freaking out he's like hey like they're fighting like it kind of like was just kind of like it is what it is like let's not make a big bigger deal out of it but it was just like i don't know he kind of gave like good husband vibes where it's just like hey honey i know this is fucking crazy they're adults but like what are we gonna do so i was like good on jared for kind of like being like

[Mary]

hey yeah simmer that's okay well in

[Natalie]

other housewives news did you see that dorit might lose her house really it

[Nick]

was like this past week that like her i don't know how it exactly works but like it was like it was like the auction date where it was like the foreclosure date of her house and that got delayed for some reason allegedly payments were made like like word on the street is that pk made some payments don't know if that's accurate but it was delayed for like a week or something but it's still like very much like the clock is ticking that's going to be like is has there been a housewife who's ever like lost their house in a foreclosure

[Ashley]

i don't think so i mean taylor armstrong lost everything yeah maybe there is no plan i think there's a lot of different examples i think and what it was is that that the sale date was postponed the sale date yeah

[Nick]

the sale of like other people being able to come in an auction on on this house or bid on the house like they do like an auction

[Mary]

how far behind are they on the

[Ashley]

payments i don't know that we know that but it's getting postponed because they're like filing new legal documents like that are postponing it of like who was supposed to pay what because dorit's someone also living in the house well i

[Nick]

don't know if that i mean again i'm no lawyer but i don't know if that matters at this point because at this point it doesn't matter who's paying for it or who should pay for it the point is it's being paid for and now at this point the bank's like i don't care you guys owe us money to the extent that like we're going to foreclose on this house because like when you have a mortgage like you know you borrow a couple hundred thousand dollars or maybe more maybe a couple mil the bank is technically the one who owns the house under the under the agreement that you will you'll make these continued payments but if you don't the bank has the right to take the house away from from you and it really doesn't matter who's paying it or not paying it dorit recently did an interview who is it with access or something extra and they're like asking her about like the alleged like accusation that she spends over a million dollars on like you know clothes and things like that she's

[Sierra]

like she's like i did not spend

[Nick]

a million dollars there's two sides of every story do i spend a lot of money on high fashion i mean i love fashion i do but then she was also like basically like my money is my money and pk's money is pk's money but now you see like these reports of like i know these texts were like you have to read like like like almost blackmailing or like demanding pk so it's like i feel like these interviews can't be doing her any good in the court of law because like here she is being like my money is my money and his money is his money so if she's trying to argue for like any type of additional money that he gives like how does that work she said

[Ashley]

also in that interview like i found out briefly before about the foreclosure when the world found out that's not going

[Nick]

to stand up in the a court of law the bank's not going to care they're going to be like oh you didn't know okay cool but that's

[Ashley]

what i think all the legal a lot of legal filings are is that her being like well his name like he was supposed to be paying it but i didn't realize until recently that he wasn't paying it i feel like

[Natalie]

that's when you're like accessory to murder you know and then you're like oh but i didn't know that there was a dead body in the trunk like i was just driving the car i

[Ashley]

didn't know i don't know if that's

[Sierra]

how that works i mean with like erica jane obviously she had to move did she lose her house she didn't

[Ashley]

lose her house it wasn't hers it

[Susie]

was tom girardi tom's house she ended up getting her own yeah yeah she

[Nick]

moved out but also congratulations erica she seemed to settle her case i don't know what that means for her how much money she had to pay but hopefully for erica this ends a very dark chapter in her life is her legal issues now done or is this like one of many things that she's gonna have to face case well so

[Ashley]

this was the twenty five million dollar lawsuit and we don't know the details of what the settlement is as of now but she said this before where it's like these cases are going to just keep popping up like one after the other after the other for a while so like she said like this is even if she wins one case it means that there's a long journey of another case or something ahead of her this was just one of the major ones that a lot of people were following because she won another one not too long ago also the anxiety

[Mary]

that i would have if i were her like just anticipating just knowing that

[Ashley]

that's coming and it's her by proxy of tom girardi it's so sad i

[Nick]

mean i can't wait for the next season of real housewives of beverly hills i mean i don't wish like obviously this stuff on anyone but if dorit does lose her house that is going to be a very fascinating thing to watch to see her have to like move out of that house into something i assume is going to be much much smaller speaking of beverly hills there's a lot of discourse on in bravo nation about who is going to be back next season for the real housewives of beverly hills who do we have confirmed back i don't think we have

[Ashley]

anybody confirmed back anyone no one's confirmed no no one's confirmed just people are speculating on who they want to come

[Sierra]

back who do they want to come

[Natalie]

back well we doubt amanda's returning yeah

[Nick]

by her own i think amanda is declining the opportunity to come back i

[Ashley]

still want her to return i know

[Mary]

i'm gonna go i'm gonna i'm gonna

[Ashley]

bet that she will i'm gonna manifest

[Mary]

it yeah let's manifest it manifest it

[Nick]

i think she's already manifested that not

[Natalie]

do we think there's a world in which crystal would ever go back the

[Nick]

streets are saying that there she's in

[Ashley]

conversation i would love crystal to come back i think she would make a good main cast member i think she make a good friend of yeah personally

[Sierra]

i need her back i i love her so much and i want to see her just she's she's the voice

[Susie]

of reason like crystal comes back does that mean we're getting sutton strack back are we getting rip sutton brown which

[Ashley]

one are we getting fancy pants are we getting fancy drew are crystal dorit

[Nick]

close are they friends never oh dorit

[Ashley]

no no no no well they're friendly

[Nick]

see like i really would want crystal back if if dorit has to deal with the foreclosure of her house and get a new house because like again the way dorit talks about finances and money it it just seems like she just makes stuff up and crystal is so like matter of fact and like detail oriented and like very you know she knows her i would just love to see crystal constantly like call out dorit when dorit's like making up stories about like how she is moving with her finances and like i also think that'd be a lot of fun i also like kyle needs a shake up a backup no i don't know that

[Ashley]

she'd be kyle's backup she wouldn't be

[Susie]

kyle's backup no they're not on i was like nothing just all the all that that screams to me is just that flight that they fucking took where crystal's like real real rich lady sorry but she is and it's just like wait which flight aspen no overseas member dorit's wearing like head to toe dior or chanel pajamas and crystal's like side interview is like well i don't know why she would even want to sleep in that like mine are from costco and i'm just like that is so like she's like she knows how to spend her money right you know she

[Ashley]

does well so nick is referencing how people were predicting who could be like friends of or new cast members and the names that came up were lori laughlin emma greed and crystal interesting lori loughlin would be interesting too because we would get like the remnants of like the college scandal oliv which is what mary and i had to go through so like that would be interesting she

[Nick]

would be awesome i don't think she's gonna do it i think that's a wish list both with emma and lori

[Sierra]

but it would also nobody thought jennifer

[Susie]

tilly would do it it's true and

[Sierra]

it's gonna get closer to what my hope for the real housewives of beverly hills is which is for it just to become a real life version of

[Susie]

desperate housewives yes but i like want to see like people with like real stories real you know what i mean

[Ashley]

real crime also crystal is real friends with like jennifer and kathy hilton like that low key would be those friends would become the main cast members yeah and maybe friend of some of the

[Sierra]

main cast well here's my question though who let's say if crystal came in as like if she came back as a friend or something whose friend would

[Susie]

she be jennifer tilly cassie hilton but

[Sierra]

there can you be a friend of a friend of i think so yeah

[Susie]

kind of feel like some of like bose's friends are like friend of a friend of i'm like hi girl with cast where did you come from she's

[Ashley]

friendish with sutton that's true friendish was

[Susie]

that natalie there's natalie who can't who went on the trip but there's the other friend that she had at the dinner when mauricio popped up and it

[Natalie]

was just like the one that got

[Susie]

the happy ending massage or something no

[Ashley]

no no no happy ending was natalie but the one who had like the sprained wrist or something yeah but it

[Susie]

was like she was there for two episodes or something and it was like

[Sierra]

hey bye i think what i thought bose was kind of doing was it was kind of testing but it also gave like bose had friends that she was like you know it would be really fun if you just like came on for an episode or she's probably

[Susie]

seeing like it'd be nice to bring maybe one of my real friends on the show so maybe if you're interesting enough they'll cast you yeah but i don't think that worked out no they

[Nick]

were too normal well it'll be really interesting to see who actually gets cast time to transition to perfect match what do you guys think of marissa's explanation of why she constantly interrupts and fights

[Mary]

i didn't love it and i'm an adhd neurodivergent girly and i yeah i didn't like it i think i don't know i didn't i didn't like it i was like if somebody gives you feedback on like communication i think it's really frustrating for your partner when you're like well this is just who i am i can't help it and yes like she did kind of say i'm working on it and it's getting better and all that but it's like but you have to just own it when you when you flub and instead of being like i know but i didn't i didn't even finish my sentence i just whatever it's like yeah just be like i'm so sorry i'm working on

[Nick]

it i think about this all the time nowadays because i feel like you know today's culture like with the way we have like watered down the meaning of words like i think many of us including yourself i'm sure susie myself as well as i've gotten older like when i was younger when i was just called absent minded aloof i'm still called those things right like i do have a bad habit of interrupting i have a bad habit of like dazing off and things like that and when i got older and we learned about all these kind of like conditions and the way like therapy speak and we got so much more knowledgeable instead of people becoming like you know for me more than anything it was like oh now i understand why i'm not just like deficiently made you know in a sense like it was it's a better way to understand yourself but now in culture we just we don't use it as a way to understand ourselves we use it as a way to explain how people need to put up with us in a way so when you start dating someone the way marissa is talking about this is if like well you're just going to have to accept who i am and that's not usually how it works especially when you just start dating someone for me it's a way to be like okay i have a propensity of doing this this is why my brain works this way and while it's difficult for me to do and i will always have to work on it it is a me problem and i can't expect people not to get frustrated with me because are you going to go around the world and just like every interaction you meet someone like label yourself this certain way like it's a great way to understand yourself and give yourself more grace and obviously in a relationship as you get to know someone they can like well they will they'll give you more grace but like you you're dating someone for three days and you're arguing with them constantly when you use that type of language nowadays it seems like you're not being sensitive like you're not you're it's a you problem like you're you're now like not recognizing the problem i have and you're not giving me grace and in a way it almost feels you're weaponizing against the person you're trying to like connect with more i mean it's honestly

[Mary]

kind of a hard topic to discuss sometimes because it i think like what you said like that's why like adult diagnosis of like autism and stuff like that is so important because it helps you understand yourself and so many people like well i've gotten this far and i'm fine and it's like yeah but like once you become aware then there's like tools that are accessible to you and and like there's so many things that like in becoming like self aware and understanding these things or these labels it's like okay that's those are our tools and it's great to make your partner or your friends aware so that they can they can be more patient with you but there you can't have the expectation like i've learned that myself like you can't have the expectation that people aren't going to be upset or frustrated and it's like you have to be able to put your guard down and be like i understand this can be frustrating and i'm really working on it because i really care about you

[Ashley]

i was going to say like i was trying to formulate like i kind of of understand marissa's point of view also because i think also throughout the process like even i think back to when they had the boardroom and she was like oh well if this friend comes in like is she going to be just a friend and he was like i don't know like so there's that little bit of insecurity that kind of forces her to then be fast to like speak for him yeah but

[Nick]

if you want honesty in your relationship that requires sometimes hearing a hard truth and if you're dating someone early on and you're not exclusive or fully committed committed you know you have to be open to receiving that like you know when i first started dating like we were you know we weren't together so we were really open and honest about like our dating lives outside of dating each other and like you know it helped that we didn't like get like use that against each other for being honest and marissa's doing the thing where it's just like she she's listing all her expectations and demands and as soon as he's like trying to just be up he just just hey i'm just gonna be honest like then she gets mad at him so it's like you're setting this kind of like standard of like don't tell me the only tell me the things that you know won't upset me and i guess if it upsets me like what is damari supposed to do anytime she asks him a question and the answer he knows might upset her i think they need a

[Ashley]

talking stick yeah like that's what i was thinking i was like just let each other get your words out because like every time i feel like it was it was you're interrupting but then you're being sarcastic and it's like well i feel like we're we're now talking about how you're talking to each other versus the actual issue i do loved

[Nick]

how damari was like do you want me to get at your level i mean i thought it was crazy when you told her to calm down i learned at a very early age never tell a woman to calm down you

[Sierra]

shouldn't do that no don't do that

[Nick]

when he said that i was like oh boy but i do like how he followed it up with where he was like well do you want me to get to that level which is like actually like you know i've never had heard it framed that way where it's just like gives the visual they get the visual of like i'm here i can match you here but i would rather have you match me here i thought was like a great way of articulating like how a fight is about to like elevate because yeah like natalie said it really pictures like what the fight is about to be also

[Mary]

watching them i just i had this thought where i was like i've had relationships where like from the get go it's like like we can't get on the same page that's what this feels like to me where i'm like they're either gonna like buckle into this and be that couple that fights all the time and they're those they are that couple and that just sounds so miserable like to me i'm like i just think you guys are not on the same page and you should just go your separate ways because you their whole relationship feels like it's just arguing the

[Ashley]

whole time we're all gonna just go kiss other people after like yeah holy

[Nick]

shit breaking news speaking of while we're talking about who might be back for the real housewives of beverly hills hills amanda francis has posted this that rihanna hit her up in the dms i

[Sierra]

love it when rihanna uses her powers

[Nick]

for good rihanna no no nope three exclamation points no quitting three exclamation points you're gonna have a redemption i promise you we need more of you and amanda's like does this mean i shouldn't quit or does this mean i should

[Mary]

come back yeah yes absolutely that might

[Nick]

be enough to change amanda's mind mind

[Sierra]

like do you dare go against rihanna's

[Ashley]

wishes rihanna and i both are manifesting it and she just has the power to dm her directly exactly so we

[Mary]

manifested we did and then lirana sent

[Ashley]

the dm she heard the manifestation she is the god that was like yes

[Sierra]

yeah we actually told rihanna to tell amanda that she should go back did

[Ashley]

you see there's a picture of brahman leaving it might have been the met gala but leaving a party with rihanna and they're like now bronwyn brahman has the ultimate like hard for lisa to be like well i have a photo

[Nick]

with bronwyn's moments they're exchanging numbers yes

[Ashley]

yes i think with like when you're rihanna's favorite yes like do you have

[Nick]

to ask do you have to wait for rihanna to ask or do you are like hey like girl like we

[Sierra]

should like i would never grab lunch

[Ashley]

sometime bronwyn has the riz but i think other people probably don't did you

[Susie]

see the flower arrangement that she sent mia from summer house like the size of this tree behind oh my god like it's it was insane where i'm like and she's now she's a fenty girl and whatnot they went to dinner or something together and i'm just like

[Ashley]

brianna knows what's up and she should be an executive producer yeah just a

[Susie]

bravo in general she used to be like cfo of bravo network give her

[Sierra]

something give her something producer creative director creative director credit at bravo she's never

[Natalie]

been on watch what happens live has

[Ashley]

she no i don't think so or hear me out next bravo show she does the title sequence bring her back to music we don't need the album just give us the bravo title sequence

[Susie]

we'll give you a pass for the

[Nick]

album for that yeah well we do have jimmy sodas up next and he can give us all the inside scoop of all of these relationships inside the house so let's bring in jimmy and get some more answers i'm glad that i have not had to have glasses i'm sure i will at some point but i have a lot of brothers and sisters and a lot of people in my family have to wear glasses and i have a front row seat to how inconvenient it can be for those people because gosh knows you know you've probably sat on some glasses lost some glasses it's a real pain in the butt when you break or lose your frames well zenni is an online eyewear shop for prescription glasses sunglasses blue light lenses starting at under thirty dollars and they're absolutely stylish sleek they look wonderful and it's only thirty bucks so take the stress out of breaking or losing any of your frames because you can replace them with zenni it's real simple you just go to zenni dot com comma pick your frames upload your prescriptions and they ship them right to your door no appointment no store no awkward upsell at the counter and at that price your mindset totally changes you can have different pairs for different situations you want to dress up you want to dress down if river ends up wearing glasses we're definitely going to get them from zenni i've recommended zenni to so many people in my family and they're always thanking me it's so so much fun to have new frames stylish frames and when they lose or break them they replace them stress free the frames look great the quality is amazing and once you start wearing them you realize how overdue an old pair actually was if your glasses are overdue for a refresh now is the time go to zenni dot com podcast and use code podcast fifteen for fifteen percent off your first order the styles sell out so don't sit on it that zen z e n dash n n i dot com podcast promo code podcast one five you know we talk about jeff and steve all the time they're sitting right next to me and if they could talk they would tell you how much they love ollie what we put in our body matters it really gives us the energy that required to get through the day it matters with our health our long term health and the same goes for your dogs we wish dog lives were longer well make sure that your dog is living and as healthy as possible by giving him good high quality food and you can do that with ollie ollie makes fresh food recipes with high quality ingredients developed by real chefs and backed by vet nut everything is tailored to your dog the meals are perfectly portioned they even send you a pup tainer and scoop so storing and serving is easy through the ollie app you can even check on your dog's health with real vets upload a photo it can help monitor things like weight digestion teeth and coat health with ollie feeding our dogs feels less like pet maintenance and more like taking care of a family member jeff and steve are absolutely obsessed with the food and are so excited every time meal time hits jeff and steve's favorite are beef and potatoes but honestly they get excited about every option available and they have some great options so if you want upgrade your dog's meals today look to ollie get ready for both you and your pup to be obsessed head to ollie dot com v i a l l tell them about your dog and use our code v i a l l to get seventy off your welcome kit when you subscribe today plus they offer an obsession guarantee if you're not completely obsessed you'll get your money back that's o l l i e dot com v i a dash l l and enter code v i l l to get that seventy off your first box oh holly feel the obsession

[Jimmy Sotos]

what up jimmy what's up man how

[Nick]

long i gotta fix how you doing

[Jimmy Sotos]

good how are you are we starting

[Nick]

yeah we're starting man you don't want to you want to start no my bad you have to like pre game

[Jimmy Sotos]

yeah no i did not where am i looking there's like two cameras or four cameras two tv's humans whichever tv

[Mary]

works for you yeah we got a

[Sierra]

lot of different options for you well

[Nick]

jimmy since it seems like a fairly calm and drama free experience in the perfect match house i mean it feels like you had the benefit of connecting with allison pretty quick yeah totally yeah so i imagine you got like a front row seat of all the other drama that was going on in the house better than maybe most yeah i

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

mean i was in the mix but kind of not in the mix kind of just like a bystander i guess

[Mary]

was that intentional to be unproblematic i guess not get too involved in the

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

drama honestly it was that that one night with katherine and then mackenzie and that was enough for me really yeah

[Mary]

straight up you have a pit i

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

just felt i felt sour about the whole situation because it was like i had to ask cat a lot of vulnerable questions to get her to open up like really quick and i would never really want to actually do that that fast to somebody like what was

[Nick]

one of those questions that maybe you asked that we didn't get to see

[Jimmy Sotos]

like i mean on like a first date i'm not really trying to ask

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

you like what makes you tick what are you passionate about like what are your ambitions and like desires and what do you want to get out of

[Nick]

of life what are you asking on

[Mary]

first yeah i love that on a

[Jimmy Sotos]

first date where you from like what you like to do what kind of pizza you like what coffee do you drink yeah you fuck with basketball like yeah what kind of coffee you drinking

[Natalie]

wait how did you coming on perfect match even become a thing honestly i

[Jimmy Sotos]

don't even know man i was playing ball in london and so like i

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

initially did like the casting process for love island and after like the first round of auditions or is it an

[Jimmy Sotos]

audition or a casting casting casting synonymous

[Mary]

call it whatever you want yeah so

[Jimmy Sotos]

i did like the first round i

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

called my manager i was like hey

[Jimmy Sotos]

this shit not for me like no

[Nick]

shot in hell what was it like what was that what what was that casting process like that made you be like now fuck this it was the

[Jimmy Sotos]

first one was just like a like a conversation you get to know somebody

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

and i kind of like looked into love island after because i don't really watch reality tv like i don't really know much about this world and i was like y' all know this shit is messy like apparently people have like come off the show and hurt themselves and i was like i don't know if this is for me and then i saw the clips going like stupid on twitter and like for it to go on my twitter i was like hey i damn near fumbled so like i told my manager if another one comes my way like i kind of want to see it through and then it just happened to be while i was playing ball in london so i did the auditions while i was over there and then i really was like i just want to see if i could even get the part like i wonder if like they'll even fuck with me for real so and then they did and then i found out i was like the first non former reality tv person to do the show and it was like a big deal so

[Ashley]

i was going to say how has the internet received you being an influencer by title versus a reality tv star

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

good bad you know i guess it depends what side of the internet you on i feel like the resounding thing that i've seen is that we did not expect to like you but you

[Mary]

grew on us that's that's actually way better than the opposite when people come in with this high expectation of oh i love this person from this show and then all they do is like fumble from there on out and people you know their q score just goes down low it's better to be on

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

the up yeah but i just i

[Jimmy Sotos]

feel like i'm always having to like

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

deal people like oh you're actually cool oh you're actually a good guy like my whole life like oh you're actually smart yeah i should just get to

[Nick]

know jimmy welcome to my world bro

[Jimmy Sotos]

well i mean you're from wisconsin bro you went to uw so oh is

[Nick]

that a little shade well speaking of people who like on a really high note marissa who we're all just we're all big fans of her we love her i've met marissa in person she is a lovely lovely person but obviously this season of perfect match we have seen a different side of marissa that locked into with damari what was it like to see that couple dynamic throughout this process was it more intense being there right beside them are we only seeing like the most intense moments but they were mostly chill what was it actually like to be watching marissa and damaris go at it when i first

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

came into the house she kind of

[Jimmy Sotos]

like was the first person to talk

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

to me and like show me the ropes a little bit and like initially i kind of went like viral for this shit but like she was giving mommy vibes so like her and damari was like mom and dad and they was kind of like putting me on game then i just thought they were so solid and then over time i was like oh there's kind of some cracks here and then i don't know man i get damari's side and i get marissa's side it was i mean there was a night that like there was only one camera person left left to film that scene because it was after damn near work hours so like everybody went home and one person had to stay and they was just crashing out on that cabana all night talking

[Nick]

in circles how long do you think

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

they argued for bro it was a minute like me and alison pulled up

[Jimmy Sotos]

a chair by our little like corner room and was literally watching like i remember i was just eating these chicken fajitas with this hot sauce and i was just watching them just go and it was kind of nosy man but

[Sierra]

what was spicier the fajita or the

[Jimmy Sotos]

argument fajita for sure my stomach was fucked up the whole show did you

[Nick]

know that marissa like brought up her adhd is a reason for interrupting or is that something you watched back like

[Jimmy Sotos]

us so there was a moment where

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

you can see me and allison talking to marissa kind of like in the cut and she was like confiding in us and like almost just like venting that like she can't help this that like her adhd kind of just like wins in these moments i just felt terrible for her because like if you genuinely cannot control that like and you know it's a problem you're not proud of it but like this is a part of you you want somebody who will embrace you and be gracious with you and like be be there with you to like hold your hand as you as you grow and try to like overcome this like hurdle of yours

[Jimmy Sotos]

but at the same time damari deserves somebody who gonna let him talk and

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

like yeah be what he needs i

[Mary]

also think it's a high stress situation and it's so rare that you start dating somebody and within four days you're arguing like at that point in the real world it's like okay this is we don't match but there you're like trying you're really trying to make something work that maybe doesn't work so i feel like that was probably very complicated

[Natalie]

for them both yeah how shocked were you that ali jumped ship from jimmy

[Jimmy Sotos]

he to hashim not surprised at all

[Nick]

really no because it seemed like watching it like that seemed like that back and forth took all night long was that as crazy in real life as it was to watch back or or were you like you it seems like you knew that she was gonna go with hashim from the jump sorry let

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

me just walk you through this it was like jimmy was telling ali one

[Jimmy Sotos]

thing telling another girl another thing and then and ali was like oh shit if we open we open so like then she started exploring and she was like oh yeah i'm really feeling hashim and i'm like oh yeah this duh like i mean your man's kind of doing you kind of slimy and so like it only makes sense and then she was like oh no but now

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

i really like jimmy and i was like oh wait now you're doing the whole indecisive like whatever astrology sign she is that she like can't make decisions

[Jimmy Sotos]

libra yeah so how was the other

[Nick]

jimmy doing her dirty didn't he like

[Jimmy Sotos]

go on a date and kiss cass

[Jenna Sims]

and shit oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

[Jimmy Sotos]

yeah i mean what i would feel like you were doing me to be fair i learned a lot as this

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

was all going on so like apparently there's like strategies and like you have to play your cards a certain way and like i was like oh shit i thought we was just trying to like find our person but yeah you

[Nick]

know what i was kind of confused about and i'm curious what y' all think because early ally was like you know you know when your head and your heart want two different things cause in my mind it seemed like she really wanted to look like jump hashim's bones and then she also seemed like she was like you know thought jimmy was a good guy and they had built a base and honestly when when she said i'm confused between my head and my heart i assumed that the that the head wanted jimmy and the heart wanted hashim but when after she locked in with hashim she said that it was the head that wanted hashim and the heart that wanted jimmy and i was a little confused because like like i feel like the head would be the more logical choice and the heart would be the more like i want to jump this person's bones right now but like maybe i'm wrong see

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

my yeah what you think i don't know my thought was like see i'm thinking like different head so like when i think with my head right that's why i was thinking maybe fair enough

[Nick]

so maybe ally was speaking dude as

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

if she had a you mean you know head i think you can say

[Nick]

penis on the show jimmy yo speaking

[Jimmy Sotos]

of what's her name kayla the penis fly trapper is crazy i missed that yeah wait what like her her title you know i'm like i'm like mister tyb or some shit yeah props to

[Nick]

her though because like good for her for like clocking damari when he would finally sat down with a chat with her and he she was like yo like you clearly don't want me like you've been trying to figure out your relationship with marissa so i got to say shout out to her because usually in reality tv people have that type

[Jimmy Sotos]

of guts i got some inside scoop on that she was like vetting me

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

on the whole like is damari like feeling me or what like what's going on and i'm like i don't know like he gotta figure some shit out marisa and then i was talking to her i was like but like you know like hashim and the ali situation i was like that's looking a little dicey too like maybe go holler him she was like i think i want weston and then just like walked away

[Jimmy Sotos]

from me started talking to him and i was like fuck yeah love that

[Natalie]

love that she knows what she does

[Nick]

yeah did weston tell you jennifer that you have to put food on the table like he seemed to tell everyone

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

else no he told me that he could beat me one on one and

[Jimmy Sotos]

i was like you're talking to the wrong person right now that was the first conversation we had i was like i know you don't play ball for real because you wear low cut socks with high top shoes

[Natalie]

telltale sign every

[Nick]

lady he sat down with he's like either you're gonna put food on the table or you're not gonna put food on the table speaking quote as simple as putting food on the table he

[Jimmy Sotos]

speaks and and he having bars i ain't gonna lie like he'll he kind of put me on game do a

[Nick]

lot of things was is he a

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

football player i think he's just like

[Nick]

a cowboy oh he's just a cowboy

[Mary]

yeah just a cowboy he a great

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

dude though like genuinely did you understand

[Natalie]

ali's humor i feel like the internet we know ali personally i feel like the internet isn't really understanding her humor

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

no she's getting hit from i think

[Jimmy Sotos]

ali is like the funniest person ever i love no way people are i mean i guess i could see it if you don't know her she probably come across as like psycho like just like high maintenance damn near just like a loose screw but as a homie she's hilarious i love her like legit

[Natalie]

when she said i just don't know who to choose i think i need to go to the doctor for chronic

[Nick]

so i got i got a little

[Jimmy Sotos]

tight with her i got a little tight with her because i was like hey you a big girl i like make a fucking choice like you damn near know what choice you wanted to make too like she was she was like leaning hashim the whole time and then she kept saying like this whole

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

like but jimmy but jimmy and that's

[Jimmy Sotos]

why i was so glad alison was like i like her i'm not gonna match with her i like her like

[Mary]

you know if jimmy didn't leave who do you think she would have gone

[Jimmy Sotos]

with hashim she just didn't she just

[Mary]

didn't want to like herself yeah yeah

[Nick]

oh yeah she didn't was anyone like in jimmy's ear being like yo man you should bow out or did jimmy

[Jimmy Sotos]

do that on his own no that was all him it was fast i

[Mary]

respect it me too it was not

[Jimmy Sotos]

fast bro that all night played out all night did it yes oh there's

[Mary]

actually it felt like a switch flipped

[Ashley]

that's what i saw but yeah i guess it wasn't i don't know i'm

[Jimmy Sotos]

just i'm just reliving that moment and how it played out and it was like it looked like we was all trying to give him advice like it might have looked like that we was damn near pressing him like bro like either figure your shit out like go get your girl or stand on whatever the fuck you're saying like but he had to leave i guess

[Ashley]

there could only be one jimmy in the house

[Jimmy Sotos]

yeah it got me fucked up bro i'm sorry like what well a lot

[Nick]

of people are speculating jimmy that you still might be with allison obviously we'll find out at the finale if you guys end up together but sips coffee yeah people are suggesting that maybe together because like you were you were plugging your girl's well i don't know if she's your girl but like at least your former girl or your girl on smash music on your oh yeah that

[Jimmy Sotos]

played well right i like that i'm

[Nick]

just like wondering if that was like a deliberate easter egg or were you just like was that just like an

[Jimmy Sotos]

accident no definitely not an accident okay yeah that's my dog she held me

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

down i'mma hold her down and only

[Jimmy Sotos]

time will tell i guess i mean

[Natalie]

you beatboxed on her leg so bro

[Jimmy Sotos]

what the fuck do i be doing

[Nick]

sometimes was that one of those like i forgot i was on camera kind

[Jimmy Sotos]

of things like there's no music like you have to entertain yourself like there's no tv there's no sports to watch so i just be fucking around like entertaining myself and i can only just like rot on the pool bed for

[Ashley]

so long didn't you post a video in the villa me yeah with allison

[Jimmy Sotos]

yeah we get our phone for an hour in the day if we woke up super early and lord knows i was up early because i had to

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

check like the nba season just started and the bulls were five zero so i was dialed and like chauncey billups

[Jimmy Sotos]

terry zero all got arrested y' all probably don't care about this i remember that but like it was a whole

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

like nba gambling scandal so i needed

[Ashley]

my phone an hour day to stay

[Natalie]

locked in how was the kissing challenge for you was that fun like oh i get to kiss ten girls or were you over no no it wasn't

[Jimmy Sotos]

because of that it was it was fun cuz it was fun we finally got some music so we had these noise canceling headphones on so like they were playing jams and whoever was on aux to this day i still don't

[Ashley]

know thank you what was the music like what was your vibe it was

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

it was versatile we was playing like

[Jimmy Sotos]

like throwbacks then all of a sudden it'd be like future and it'd be like the type shit future like with with playboi carti and drake so it

[Mary]

was just like that could have impacted scores don't you think like that feels like that's what i said makeup song

[Sierra]

is important yo i had yeah i

[Jimmy Sotos]

had somebody who was a damn good

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

kisser when the weeknd was playing and

[Jimmy Sotos]

it was a moment it was special it's like a movie yeah yeah but then there were some songs that like that's actually so true because there was somebody that i i didn't enjoy the kiss with and i gave him a score of a zero point one and like the music might have also lended itself to whatever vibe was was there

[Nick]

lack thereof making out to someone and listening to metallica yeah what but also

[Ashley]

like they're listening are they listening to the same music that you are too or could it be like off sing so like they're slow kissing but you're also like doing it faster you know

[Jimmy Sotos]

what i mean i don't know imagine listening to like techno like one hundred fifty bpm the other person got on

[Nick]

like some smooth jazz sabotage different vibe

[Mary]

interesting okay i have to say though chris right our guy with the he was yeah easy on chris no no no i'm about to say oh i have i would have fell for it i would have liked the handhold and the the hand kisses i would have been like oh really oh yeah like i think it's it's funny i would have felt i would have ate that up i would have been like this is my kind of man this kills

[Nick]

me well speaking of chris jimmy i'm curious since you're the guy who doesn't want to go that deep on a first date how do you feel about chris giving a luxury wallet on the first date to a girl he still

[Jimmy Sotos]

owed me one good answer that's chris bro like that's just chris and not

[Susie]

mackenzie being like i feel like a

[Jimmy Sotos]

hooker yeah bro i don't know and then the whole arm kissing thing like before the cameras were rolling like as soon as we cut like the girls were like somebody was kissing arms somebody somebody said somebody somebody said it was chris me and damari got on his ass i never felt a little bad

[Mary]

don't don't yuck my yum y' all you know yeah that's my yum i

[Sierra]

feel like it's fine that you did that it's just funny that you did it specifically in the kissing challenge when he's kissing ten girls in a row it's like i want to be intimate i'm like that's some one on one

[Jimmy Sotos]

thing we're all it's hot we're sweating like you probably it's salty like that's

[Mary]

what i'm saying yeah that's fair do

[Nick]

you have a do you have a bedroom move that's like your your like secret go to to really when the

[Natalie]

lady's over oh my god give up

[Jimmy Sotos]

the secrets i'm i'm very chill i'll put the weekend on a light a candle are you on that no i

[Mary]

was playing and there

[Jimmy Sotos]

i don't know i just wait i like i like i like that that whole thing to

[Ashley]

be very organic wait going back to mackenzie i feel like i saw a lot of mackenzie being like i need to talk to jimmy i need to talk to jimmy but i never really saw her talking to you like did you know that she was pining after

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

you that shit came out of left field bro that shit came out of nowhere when she was like i'm actually really i've been really interested in you

[Jimmy Sotos]

and i was like whoa like especially after i just had to kind of tell katt like it wasn't gonna happen and then kenzie just shot her shot last second like that was like i'm a basketball player so like that's why i was a full court shot yeah we don't shoot those shots those are

[Nick]

grenades were there any connections jimmy of people who like never really got together but you know always thought like they might have made a perfect match damn

[Jimmy Sotos]

near demari and kayla okay yeah when

[Natalie]

he said i like braces and glasses and she goes pervert i love that

[Jimmy Sotos]

didn't see that part oh yeah yeah

[Nick]

i don't think that landed the way

[Jimmy Sotos]

he thought it might you know who i i i have a lot of respect for is cass she don't give a fuck we had one of the craziest conversations ever that didn't make air

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

it was the night before and i hadn't talked to her and she was like well i haven't talked to you

[Jimmy Sotos]

can i put you for a chat

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

the whole song and dance and i'm

[Jimmy Sotos]

like in the pool swimming i was like can i stay in the water like i don't really want to do this but like whatever we'll do this

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

and off rip she's like i don't

[Jimmy Sotos]

like guys with cats and i don't

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

like guys who don't let me eat

[Jimmy Sotos]

their butt oh my i was like

[Ashley]

yes i respect it i respect it

[Jimmy Sotos]

that's what i'm saying i was like yo good for you shorty like it ain't gonna be me but like hell yeah and then listen to this listen to this this dave hungry ass was eating cheese right and he was like they i swam away and then there's somebody i'm eating cheese or somebody eating cheese and i thought he said eating

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

cheeks and i was like oh y'

[Jimmy Sotos]

all just talked to cass too it was like huh match me oh that's exposed her whole time she said it on camera so like yeah yeah fair game that was jokes she's from love

[Nick]

island right everyone has their thing man

[Jimmy Sotos]

she has full blown conversations with her her kitty like that's crazy oh keep

[Mary]

him on the same page very entertaining

[Natalie]

keep them on the same page

[Susie]

wow

[Sierra]

that's crazy this conversation's gone is an

[Jimmy Sotos]

awesome way sorry if i took no

[Natalie]

no we love it obviously you have been known on tiktok for how long

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

i mean like covid twenty twenty yeah

[Natalie]

it's when you popped off yeah what were you doing that made you pop

[Jimmy Sotos]

off basketball videos my shirt off no that'll do it and little did i know how slippery of a slope that

[Nick]

would be how did your coach feel about you becoming a tiktok star while also a basketball player so check it

[Jimmy Sotos]

out so you know who adrian nunez

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

is he played at michigan he's a

[Natalie]

country singer now he's also a tik

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

tok star he and i blew up at the same time we were kind of like the tiktok basketball boys right his coach juwan howard was like you're bad for the team this is a distraction in the locker room like what do you think you're doing my coach saw kind of like what it could lend itself to and then the first ever brand deal i did was with adidas and we were a nike school sponsored by lebron so i had to go to my compliance office like yo can i even do this shit like nil world just passed so we're all still learning and then he was like if nike doesn't want you to do it they have to pay you more not to do it so i was like so we all were like oh shit there's a leverage battle here like oh there might be some real cheddar in this game so he was like keep doing your thing i don't know what you're doing i don't really get it i don't really care to know but just like keep doing your thing

[Mary]

green flags to him yeah so shout

[Natalie]

out holt were your teammates kind of

[Jimmy Sotos]

the same way i didn't realize it at the time but like i didn't even know we didn't know what like clout chasing was or like ore farming or none of that but like we all knew that if you did a video on my tiktok everybody was gonna get followers and like dm's was gonna bust so we was just all just after practice everybody like yo we gotta do the dance training whatever and you

[Ashley]

had everybody taking their shirts off i

[Jimmy Sotos]

mean it's a basketball locker room so

[Mary]

it was just like the shirts were

[Jimmy Sotos]

off the shirts were off i was

[Nick]

like do i need to follow

[Jimmy Sotos]

no but genuinely like i did not know how slippery of a slope that would be like i was developing like a

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

cheat code system like a hack where i would post a brand deal and because the algorithm disincentivizes brand deals yeah i would post a thirst trap immediately after and the views from that would trickle into the brand deal so everybody would be happy and i would do this for like damn near like two years straight just like not even realizing that i'm just like further perpetuating this like like sexualization of myself and objectifying myself to the internet good problem i

[Jimmy Sotos]

guess for sure but like devaluing like

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

what i have to actually say yeah

[Ashley]

sure so did that ever get in the way of dating like you having your tiktok following oh yeah yeah for

[Jimmy Sotos]

sure for sure and a number of different ways it was first the first

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

me my first girl broke up because she basically gave me an ultimatum on some like it's either me or the social media stuff i'm like you see

[Jimmy Sotos]

what this shit is doing for me

[Ashley]

like why would i i was like

[Jimmy Sotos]

i gotta go play we played ucla

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

at rocket mortgage in cleveland and i was like i'll come home and i'll let you know and i came home

[Jimmy Sotos]

and all her bags were already packed i was like you already know what

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

she already knew what i was going

[Ashley]

to decide yeah i mean you had

[Nick]

to are there any tiktok dances you've done that you regret brother more than

[Jimmy Sotos]

i'm proud to admit like like damn near all like i mean it worked out right but bro it was the thing like we was doing that little dolphin shit it was so many just like fake freaky dances that like it's just a dance like nah that was freaked out like that shit was wild

[Nick]

what is your biggest dating ick jimmy

[Jimmy Sotos]

my biggest dating ick yeah like what what is oh girls that think they're

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

funny by like talking shit you know what i'm saying where they're like big or they're like like poke fun or

[Jimmy Sotos]

like they're like deprecated i guess to

[Ashley]

you or to themselves to me yeah

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

it's like why are you wearing that

[Jimmy Sotos]

or like like that that gives me

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

so mad like so you're a tick tocker like why you say it like

[Jimmy Sotos]

that goddamn right i make tik toks that's i don't like that yeah they

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

think it's like cute it's like flirty

[Mary]

it's not he said it okay it is me though that's a good one

[Jimmy Sotos]

some people like that little banter some

[Nick]

people like it yeah so obviously can't disclose whether you're with alison or not but like you are like you're gen z yeah yeah are you big on like we're exclusive but not dating are people your age being like will you be my boyfriend or girlfriend how are you defining a relationship in twenty twenty

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

six i respect everybody's wishes and boundaries but me personally like i genuinely could care less about a title like i could go my entire life and not marry somebody and be straight as long as you and i know what the deal is as long as we're communicative and like we understand where our boundaries lie and like what we're about like me personally i don't really care for like all the titles and shit but i understand that like doing those things helps with like security and like belonging in the relationship so i'm willing to like i'll do whatever the fuck like makes both of us happy i guess

[Sierra]

i get that yeah multi way to look at it yeah as long as

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

i just i just am huge on like communication and boundaries so like if you want to if you want to say you're my i'm your boyfriend cool

[Jimmy Sotos]

that's that's what you need to feel

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

secure in this to make this exclusive i'm also i'm a huge on loyalty

[Ashley]

too so are your parents still together yeah okay yeah so you've seen that

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

representation yeah they've been together for thirty years and also my my auntie and my uncle have been locked in for thirty years and they never got me married wow and like they embody what i want in a relationship so much where like we'll be on like a like family vacation like everybody's cousins go and like they're like we're gonna go take out the jet skis we'll see y' all later at dinner some we

[Jimmy Sotos]

don't see them like the whole day

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

they're just like two peas in a pod they just like bonnie and clyde the whole like life together i love

[Jimmy Sotos]

that i love that yeah no ring on the finger yeah they might be on some that i i have no idea like on some like swinger who

[Sierra]

knows but you know looks great yeah

[Jimmy Sotos]

i mean they get ghost and it's like oh there's uncle george again like

[Mary]

how was your day so anything else

[Natalie]

that we didn't see while that happened on perfect match that they didn't show

[Jimmy Sotos]

us they had to cut off our

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

alcohol intake yeah too much fun it

[Nick]

seemed like maybe part of ali's indecisiveness was like possibly feeling a little bit

[Jimmy Sotos]

cloudy oh my god there's things that happen that i pray they show i also pray they cut but wait when

[Ashley]

did they cut off the alcohol like

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

at what point my first night it

[Jimmy Sotos]

was open bar second night it was open bar by the third day we had a bartender oh she was a

[Mary]

bartender okay wow open bar is kind

[Nick]

of crazy bro i walked in there

[Jimmy Sotos]

i was like yeah serve yourself i was like this is dangerous that is

[Mary]

that is i love that and shout

[Jimmy Sotos]

out my boy nikki he won the fucking million dollars and had to like be hush hushed about it his aura

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

would have been different if everybody in the house knew he won a million

[Jimmy Sotos]

on tv tv think about that like

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

think about that like what was he

[Jimmy Sotos]

saying like i i took allison or some i promise you if she would have known he had a millie yeah

[Ashley]

because he was with allison for a minute who was he with before he

[Jimmy Sotos]

matched with nat and then the only other person he had interest in was

[Ashley]

allison i would have used it man

[Jimmy Sotos]

look

[Nick]

first thing i can't tell you how but i got some spare change lying around and like if you think if you like that wallet that chris gave you

[Jimmy Sotos]

chris could get you a nice wallet wait till you get this

[Nick]

bad that's funny yeah also jimmy i just gotta say i've never heard the term aura farming before you've never oh

[Mary]

really i feel like that's a merry

[Jimmy Sotos]

word it is a mary word yeah i'm too on internet out it is

[Nick]

a tick tock word it is aura

[Sierra]

farming it's more it's more of like a boy tick tock thing than like my side of tick tock necessarily but or a farm what is the word

[Ashley]

okay wait define it for now it's

[Jimmy Sotos]

basically using people circumstances whatever the fuck

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

to gain aura aura meaning just like

[Ashley]

life points for show i like how

[Jimmy Sotos]

you said that yeah but you can

[Ashley]

lose it you can lose your aura

[Nick]

points you can lose your aura yeah

[Jimmy Sotos]

like i did some shit in the house and i lost aura damn near the beatboxing on alison's leg i lost aura for that okay got it but i gained aura when nicholas shay knew

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

who i was and i didn't know

[Sierra]

him oh true that is yeah that's

[Ashley]

you gained aura for stuff staying with allison because you were committed yeah wow

[Mary]

that was solid you've represented yourself well

[Nick]

did the other jimmy lose or gain aura for bowing out when he did or was it too late because he kind of like was forced to bow

[Jimmy Sotos]

out now he lost aura when he tried to say there's only room for

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

one jimmy in the house and i

[Mary]

called him jimbo that's so real but

[Ashley]

you gained the aura for that you

[Natalie]

did snatched it what did you think of sophie laughing at jimbo me that

[Jimmy Sotos]

was hard i was i was no it wasn't bro if y' all were there you damn it would have laughed too bro bro cuz that's jimmy p bro he just be going it's like bro here you go again like i tried to tell you less is more like you got to be direct like but all right here you go again and i at least had the the i don't know what you want to say like decency to not laugh at his face but we was all trying not to laugh and soph couldn't help

[Natalie]

herself even i mean ali said that he was very very sensitive and she was like there were so many times where i had to be like okay come on not again like i'll admit

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

i i actually have not watched our show in its entirety because like i i struggle to actually like sit down and like like no like it's kind of like a fever dream to me i almost damn or have imposter syndrome even being here but like so i just know how it played out like being there and like how i felt and like what the vibes were like

[Jimmy Sotos]

being there we was all trying not

[Mary]

to laugh i would have cried if i was jimmy i'm so sensitive he

[Ashley]

also came from love is blind so are we not surprised no that's so

[Jimmy Sotos]

true oh wait i have a question about that i have a question about

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

that about that like i've heard people say like i came from this show so i'm this way i don't feel like i'm a different person now because i did perfect match like i don't understand how people are like changed people now because they did this little like

[Nick]

yeah retreat damn but i mean i actually kind of can relate to that because like i think different shows have different expectations and energies and like when you're in these like very like i you know i've never done the whole perfect match experience but it seems like it's a little more carefree a little more fun a little more loose and like for like love is blind specifically i mean these people are like literally meeting people in a pod there's like these expectations of really pouring your heart out like the like marissa and the jimmy's they literally practice what it was like to just like truly be their most vulnerable self behind a screen so like it is kind of like their brains kind of get rewired you want

[Natalie]

to talk about not getting deep on

[Nick]

the first date these people got engaged after like two days i mean it

[Jimmy Sotos]

alters their brain chemistry that's crazy or

[Mary]

i also think it's possible that people are cast on those shows who are sort of that way so maybe they're like susceptible like maybe they're the type of people that can get really deep really early on and and then the experience in the show just like continue

[Nick]

to shape that it's also like why ally is like really funny and witty and snarky because she comes from bravo and it's a little more looser or like messier like you know you don't well they did they have had bachelor people on perfect match but like bachelor people are afraid of d doing anything because you can get criticized for literally nothing so they move scared almost and it's like you know so like people do come in with like different vibes based off of the show like their first experience on the show so you benefited from that jimmy kind of coming as like fresh meat you know you had no reality tv trauma to unpack

[Jimmy Sotos]

on perfect match a lot of people

[Jimmy (Perfect Match)]

were telling me that i got lucky that this was my first show because it's very hands off it literally felt like i was just like at like a day party or some shit that's

[Nick]

amazing well jimmy man it's fun to catch up with you get to know you a little bit better we're excited to see how things unfold and thank you for all the fun behind the scenes of what went down in the house where can people follow you find you all that fun stuff before we

[Jimmy Sotos]

let you go jimmy sotos four on tiktok jay sotos one on instagram and i just dropped some coffee so with

[Nick]

that there you go check out his coffee jimmy make sure you do a bunch of tiktok dances with the household before you leave the studio word here we want to get some of that

[Natalie]

aura farming we want to get some

[Nick]

of that give us some good aura jimmy in the studio before you go on your way that'll do it for today's episode thank you to our guest jimmy sotos and jenna sims for joining us and thank you guys all for listening we appreciate you we'll see you back on thursday bye bye save on family essentials at safeway and albertsons this week at safeway and albertsons enjoy eight piece double breaded famous chicken fried or baked dark meat featuring four legs and four thighs for just five point nine nine each member price available in the deli and sweet red cherries are two dollars ninety seven cents per pound limit six pounds member price with digital coupon plus twenty four ounce selected varieties of chicken fresh cut fruit bowls are five dollars each visit safewayoralbertsons dot com for more deals and ways to save