E1136 - Going Deeper with Amanda Frances and Eddie Tsivislavsky

Summary

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The Viall Files: Going Deeper with Amanda Frances & Eddie Tsivislavsky

Episode 1136 | June 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this “Going Deeper” episode, Nick Viall welcomes Amanda Frances—entrepreneur and recent Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast member—and her fiancé, Eddie Tsivislavsky. The conversation dives into Amanda’s experience on reality TV, the unforeseen impact of internet scrutiny, their unique dynamic as a couple, shifting gender roles, and the effect of public perception on self-worth. They candidly discuss family, masculinity, business, and the ambiguity of Amanda returning to Housewives, offering refreshing honesty about life in and out of the spotlight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. First Impressions & Intro Banter

• Amanda and Eddie join Nick, Vanessa, and the team, immediately joking about Eddie’s "better-looking-in-person" vibes and missing out on “Mauricio-level shirtless moments” on reality TV.
• Amanda’s recent DM from Rihanna becomes a running and surreal highlight ("I’ve never called her so fast after a text message in my life." – Eddie, 01:07).

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2. DM from Rihanna & Fan Culture

• Amanda shares the surreal experience of Rihanna reaching out on social media, explaining that the pop icon actively engages with Housewives cast members ("She’s not only a fan, she’s like, an active involved." – Amanda, 02:57).
• They reflect on the difference between what actually happens during hours of filming and what airs, emphasizing how fans take storylines at face value (Amanda: "You can’t possibly know what a four-hour dinner was like in a minute and a half." 03:02–04:12).
• Nick notes, "We watch reality TV as an escape... it's simpler to take it as face value." (04:16)

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3. The Toll of Reality TV: Social Media, Energy, and Public Perception

• Amanda and Eddie describe candidly the toll that filming and social media commentary take, especially the psychological energy required to process online opinions and trolling (Amanda: "It's more psychological space than anyone can understand." 08:51).
• Amanda’s first-hand account of responding to wild Reddit rumors, including correcting her own ‘cult/rehab’ rumors, reinforces how public feedback can be both infuriating and consuming.
• Eddie recounts his realization that no episode, comment, or online fight can really change the opinions of detractors: "There is going to be people that you will never reach, no matter how much you're going to be on the TV screen or an Internet screen..." (08:04).

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4. The Edited Reality vs Authentic Relationships

• Amanda describes the unreality of “friend group” premises on Housewives, noting the difficulty of building genuine relationships amidst cast members driven by storyline needs ("Those who need it are always trying to make sure they're getting the camera time. Very different on camera than off camera." 15:32).
• Nick shares that in Bachelor/Paradise, real connections form off-camera, but fans rarely get to see those moments (17:20).

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5. Amanda & Eddie’s Relationship Dynamic

• A significant segment details how Amanda and Eddie make decisions, especially regarding Amanda’s return to TV, shaped by Eddie’s firm prioritization of her well-being and psychological energy ("She cares so much... But they don’t care to see the truth." – Eddie, 08:58).
• They humorously recount Amanda’s resistance to anyone saying “no” to her, and Eddie’s gentle boundary-setting regarding another reality TV stint ("No one tells me no to anything. But I felt like he was telling me no to going back." – Amanda, 17:55).
• The couple open up about late-night discussions, post-episode ruminations, and the cycles of obsession that come with reality TV ("The show would air... She would end up in the comment section... Friday, Saturday, Sunday talking about it..." – Eddie, 19:58).

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6. Navigating Privacy & Control

• Amanda describes the challenge of losing narrative control, having previously managed her personal brand’s boundaries online ("It must be a very different feeling... giving that control up to an entity and a fan base." – Nick, 22:28).
• Amanda: "There’s things we don’t share. And no matter what, it’s our choice. ...And then giving that control up... that’s not good." (22:26–22:58)

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7. Masculinity, Money & Public Opinion

• The show’s portrayal of Amanda as the higher earner is explored. Eddie re-centers the discussion on fatherhood and partnership—not income—as measures of masculinity:

  "Being a father and being a partner and being a protector above all." (49:57)

• The couple addresses negative assumptions about Eddie freeloading, debunking them with context and humility:

  "Do what you love, find a way to get paid for it, make the money you want to make, and then marry who you want to marry because you like them." (Amanda, 55:46)

• The emotional cost to men when financial worth is conflated with personal value is discussed, touching on mental health and tragic outcomes (Eddie discusses men he knows who took their lives due to financial pressures, 54:34–55:32).

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8. Blended Families & Motherhood

• Amanda’s step-parenting is discussed following accusations on the show that her stepchildren are “not her kids.” She pushes back:

  "I dedicate my life to them. Like, it is so insulting to me the idea that they are not my children… His ex-wife agrees. They are my kids. They are all of our kids." (59:58–60:42)

• Both Amanda and Eddie affirm their blended family’s unity and the complexities of public misunderstandings.

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9. Impact on Business & Personal Growth

• Amanda speaks about how Housewives’ exposure allowed her to pivot her business to reach a broader audience, particularly with affordable offers designed for newcomers to manifestation and personal growth ("Over 5,000 people joined a $21 Abundance Timeline... I don't think I would have had those numbers without Housewives." – Amanda, 81:06).

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10. On Returning to Housewives?

• Amanda and Eddie rate their likelihoods of returning:
  • Eddie: "Only because of Riri, one and a half." (75:26)
  • Amanda: "There are days where I'm a three... I think there are days I get up to like a six." (87:10)
• Eddie is resistant, citing the emotional toll. Amanda is torn, inspired by the impact she’s able to have, but wary of sacrificing well-being.
• Nick emphasizes the hazards of the gig: "You can never master it. You can only just control it… You have good days, you have bad days.” (77:36)

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11. Marriage, Independence & Gender Roles

• The couple restates their values: mutual independence, transparent communication, and not letting money or gender roles prescribe their relationship ("While also valuing our relationship and our... independence." – Eddie, 48:44).
• Amanda clarifies: "Me being the breadwinner—one, doesn’t mean he doesn’t work. Two, doesn’t mean that he would let me buy a dinner or a date." (93:20)

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12. Memorable Couple Story: How They Met

• Amanda and Eddie share their “manifested meet-cute” in West Hollywood—recounted with banter and affectionate corrections (36:18–44:51).
• Amanda: “I had one intention... I needed a meet-cute. Okay, here we go.” (37:29)
• Eddie: "I can’t keep doing this... I’m ready to meet my person." (41:16)
• Amanda playfully, on running into Eddie: “It’s okay, I’m with my attorney.” (43:15)

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13. Hot Takes on Housewife Drama

• Amanda offers perspective on Dorit's financial issues ("If the mortgage isn’t getting paid, even if it’s supposedly your ex’s responsibility, if you want to save the home, pay the mortgage and spend less on designer clothes..." 64:26).
• She considers buying Dorit’s house for fun, suggesting a tongue-in-cheek plan for a renovation spin-off (69:20–70:13).
• Amanda and Nick weigh in on the release of private family text exchanges on reality TV, advocating for boundaries around children’s privacy (71:30).

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14. Conclusion & Quick-Fire Moments

• Amanda gives a “vibe-raising” affirmation to close out the show:

  "You are good enough. You are amazing. You are here to do big things on the planet... You're the authority on your life... Show up, do your thing, live your life, make a fuck ton of money, have the best time and middle fingers to the haters. I love you." (96:06)

• The episode closes on gratitude, encouragement, and a bit of wedding banter (including Amanda's indecision about arriving by helicopter, 94:46).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “You can’t possibly know what the four-hour dinner was like in a minute and a half.” — Amanda Frances (04:12)
• “It's more psychological space than anyone can understand.” — Amanda Frances (08:51)
• “Being a father and being a partner and being a protector above all.” — Eddie (49:57)
• “Let’s just see what she’s about. Now I have all these really happy people. My vision was, what if I give them something they can start their day with every day for 21 days?” — Amanda Frances (81:06)
• "Do what you love, find a way to get paid for it, make the money you want to make, and then marry who you want to marry because you like them." — Amanda Frances (55:46)
• “Only because of Riri, one and a half.” — Eddie, on possibility of Amanda returning to Housewives (75:26)
• “You can never master it. You can only just control it. You have good days, you have bad days.” — Nick Viall (77:36)
• “I dedicate my life to them. ...It is so insulting to me the idea that they are not my children.” — Amanda Francis (59:58)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:48 – Episode opens (“Eddie: Better looking in person.”)
• 02:41 – Amanda receives a DM from Rihanna, reacts to reality TV fandom
• 08:51 – Discussion of emotional/psychological toll of TV and audience
• 14:56 – “I knew I didn’t need it”—on financial independence vs. “need” on Housewives
• 17:55–19:03 – Amanda and Eddie on boundaries, support, and "saying no"
• 27:03–28:04 – On authenticity, regrets, learning from first season
• 49:08–56:08 – In-depth discussion about masculinity, finances, and partnership
• 59:45 – Step-parenting controversy and modern blended families
• 75:22 – “Scale of 1 to 10” on returning to Housewives
• 81:06 – Impact of Housewives on Amanda’s business; “Abundance Timeline” success
• 93:20 – On paying for dates and engagement rings
• 96:06 – Amanda’s closing affirmation

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Summary Takeaways

• Reality TV distorts reality: Editing compresses hours into moments, fans conflate characters with whole people.
• Social media is a double-edged sword: It amplifies both support and criticism, sometimes disproportionally.
• Personal relationships–both under siege and strengthened: Amanda and Eddie’s dynamic thrives on honesty, boundaries, and mutual support.
• Roles and “worth” are evolving: The couple offers a refreshing take on gender, money, parenting, and what makes a family.
• Hesitation and possibility: Amanda is open but conflicted about returning to Housewives; Eddie is protective but supportive if she chooses to do so.
• Authenticity over performance: Both believe staying true to self is the ultimate antidote to vitriol and public pressure.

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For listeners seeking a real, nuanced portrait of life behind the drama, this episode weaves empathy, humor, and depth into the glitz and conflict of reality TV life.

Transcript

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[Nick Viall]

Eddie. Better looking in person. Thank you.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Right?

[Amanda Francis]

Isn't he?

[Nick Viall]

So, not that you aren't good looking on tv.

[Amanda Francis]

No, you are. But they didn't. They. They didn't get.

[Nick Viall]

They don't capture.

[Amanda Francis]

They didn't do enough scenes of sex appeal. Yeah. Like walking into the room or. We don't really get Eddie.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

We didn't get a lot of like shirtless moments. We didn't get any sex tape.

[Eddie]

Nobody came to a water.

[Nick Viall]

You really could give Mauricio a run for his money if they. If they give you the platform and

[Eddie]

Eddie says way before the show, I would not be worried about it.

[Amanda Francis]

You're crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Well, welcome, guys. Welcome back. Welcome back, Amanda. And welcome Eddie.

[Eddie]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

We're very excited to have you. Is so just to start off, is this like your. Is it official? Is this your exit interview, so to speak?

[Amanda Francis]

It's not official and I'm not sure.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Amanda Francis]

Even this man was the strongest. You really shouldn't do that again, babe. Like, you were really unhappy, but he's had a change of tune.

[Nick Viall]

Well, is it because of Rihanna?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Yes, it has to be because of Rihanna.

[Eddie]

I've never called her so fast after text message in my life. She sent me a screen grab and I was like.

[Nick Viall]

So you sent it to Betty?

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. So I have. I can show it to you. I have a screen grab from my assistant and it's the text message with me and one of my assistants and it has Rihanna's message request and then all caps. You have a message request, Mariana. I moved it to your primary folder. You can find it like, and so without even opening it. I screenshot that to my team, like our team group chat. You, my sister. Who else got it? A handful of people got that. That there was a message that I hadn't even, like, looked at yet from Rihanna.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

And was that as surreal as it sounds or were you kind of like, of course Rihanna reached out to me.

[Amanda Francis]

No, absolutely surreal. Not, of course, but upon a little bit of research, this is something she kind of does sometimes, from what I've gathered. I'm about maybe the fifth housewife that has mentioned her reaching out. So she gets. She gets involved.

[Nick Viall]

She. She's a fan.

[Amanda Francis]

She is involved. She's not only a fan, she's like an active involved.

[Eddie]

But that's part of the problem with us not being part of this world.

[Amanda Francis]

We don't know stuff like, yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Did you reply to Rihanna?

[Amanda Francis]

So I replied to Rihanna and I said, I was like, listen, thank you. I mean, the queen was spoken like, thank you, but honestly, the environment was really hard on me. I don't know if it's something I want to do again. And then she replied with like, I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying, like, she really thought as off, it was interesting that she thought what all fans tend to think. She thought it was about the cast. She's like, well, I'm not taking sides, but, you know, you went to her book party. She's like telling me this stuff like, we're talking about me and Daria. I'm like, we're talking about whether I want to spend another year of my life doing whatever that just was. That's not the same as I'm mad at a cast mate. You know what I mean? Like, like, it's interesting to me that the fans really so truly, like, believe what they see in the final cut as the ultimate truth. It's not that there's not truth to it. It's not that I think they don't. I think they try to capture the energy of a moment. I think the production does, you know, so I'm not even talking about, like, inaccuracies. I'm just saying, like, you can't possibly know what the four hour dinner was like in a minute and a half.

[Nick Viall]

I think that's just it. It's not that they.

[Amanda Francis]

You think they, they take it as fact.

[Nick Viall]

No, they take it as fact. But I think more accurately, I just think it's just, you know, we watch reality TV kind of like as a way, as an escape. We want to, like, watch other People's lives. And I think it's just easier or simpler to take it at face value rather than just be like, you know, there's more. You know, there's more. This was five minutes of a four hour dinner, you know, at three in the morning.

[Eddie]

That's very true though, because people don't poke holes in reality TV the way that we do when we go see a movie and we poke holes in the plot, like. Like this is such an escape for everybody. They're just. Certain parts of your brain are.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well. And I think a lot of, you know, we. We watch it because we see ourselves in these people or we see our rivals, you know, our exes.

[Amanda Francis]

I hate girls who act that way. So the last show I watched religiously was the Hills, so I'm dating myself. But, like, being on this show kind of made the Hills make more sense in like a weird way, because you know how you're watching a television, you're watching reality show, and you're like, wait, what happened there? Where did that storyline go? Or like, they wrapped up that whole thing we've been talking about all season with that little sentence. It makes more sense once you're filming because you understand that, like, it's an edited television show.

[Eddie]

They gotta, you know, to an episode,

[Amanda Francis]

they gotta tune it into an episode. And real life doesn't always fit an episode.

[Nick Viall]

Real life isn't that interesting.

[Amanda Francis]

And real life isn't that interesting. No, you're not. Like, if you're fighting with someone, you don't end up sitting directly across from them at the dinner table. You probably sit at the other end of the table for a couple meals.

[Eddie]

Or you don't go to dinner.

[Amanda Francis]

Right. Or you don't go to the dinner. Yeah, right. But like, you have a plate. I always thought it was interesting. I have, you know, you have a place card at the table for every single meal. And I'm like, of course I'm sitting across from Dorit and Boza's right there, like, you know, and Kyle's kind of far from me. Not super close because that would be too comforting.

[Nick Viall]

So last time you were here, we obviously talked about whether you were going to come back. We're huge fans of you on the show. I've, I, I thought the reunion was awesome.

[Amanda Francis]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

But I do think I agreed with a lot of the fans that this season it was like, it just, it took a while to get going. But like I told you last time, I thought you were the most entertaining part of it.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

That being Said you seemed pretty committed to like not coming back. And obviously this whole interview started by like, you know what, let's bring Eddie in because like we haven't had a chance to really get to know him or your guys dynamic as much as we'd like to. And if you really are done, this would be a great opportunity to like get to know you guys better. I am just curious, like how serious are you guys when you say, well, now that Rihanna's reached out. It's given us a second. I'm on a pause and just. But like there's an argument to be made about keeping going and there's an argument to be made about like protecting your peace and stopping. But like I guess on a just a practical sense other than just being a fan girl and having it be a cool that Rihanna reached out, what conversations did you guys have as a couple?

[Amanda Francis]

Like what are we having?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, like what? Like should we really think about this?

[Amanda Francis]

I'm reminded of that veget the dinner we went at that vegetable place. Oh, the second floor with the vegetable.

[Eddie]

Yeah. I mean my side of it, when we've talked about should she go back. It's a puzzle piece, right? Like there's the elements of like, yes, you are super smart and you're gonna be able to figure certain elements of the show out and the strategy and all of that. There's no question that she can handle that part of it whatsoever.

[Amanda Francis]

Like I'll be better at it as

[Eddie]

her navigating partner, as her husband, as her protector though. I'm like, the amount of energy you spent not on the show dealing with social media deal which, which she's always obviously been in that world. But the amount of energy drain, the amount of times that we've had late night evenings talking about all sorts of different things.

[Amanda Francis]

Process something with you like on a Sunday afternoon during nap, right?

[Eddie]

Where I'm just like, I don't, I don't want her to do that. She has bigger fish to fry. She has goals, she has, you know, heights that she wants to achieve and I don't want her wasting any energy. We just talked about it this weekend. We were talking about certain elements of this and I was like, there is going to be people that you will never reach. No matter how much you're going to be on the TV screen or an Internet screen or phone or whatever, they're not going to be people that want to receive your message. There's only so much diet stuff you can push on a person that needs to diet or exercise. But until they want to. They're never going to want to do it, you know, And I just frankly don't want her wasting her energy on it.

[Nick Viall]

That is it. That is a big part.

[Amanda Francis]

It's so much. It's more psychological space than anyone can understand.

[Eddie]

And she cares.

[Amanda Francis]

I care about everything I do.

[Eddie]

I talk about this with our, like, inner circle and our friends all the time. That was hands down the biggest aha moment I had. When we first started dating, she was wildly nervous for taping a live piece that she was doing in her own bedroom on her bed for one of my courses.

[Amanda Francis]

I was gonna do a live model. And he was like, are you always Stan?

[Eddie]

Why are you. It's like, these are. These are literally your people. They have paid to watch you. That has not changed every time. She could film one tomorrow in her brand new office, which is catered and built exactly to her liking and her comfort. And she's still nervous. And the only reason is because she. Because she fucking cares. Yeah, like a lot. And so when that ether around the show, the Reddit, the trolls, all that stuff takes energy from her. I'm like, she cares so much. In trying to get these people to see the truth. Like, they don't care to see the truth. They don't keep clapping back in the comments. They come in one time, the funniest one. I don't even remember what the actual issue was on Reddit. And I just started laughing because I was getting through the Reddit and it went from people commenting about something Amanda said or did or whatever to somebody saying, I would rather watch my dog eat flies, catch flies. 400 comments later of people just talking about their animals catching flies. I was like, this is how little they actually care about your thing. This entire subreddit went into animals catching flies instead of talking about what they actually came.

[Amanda Francis]

I feel like it's crazy the things they'll say about you that are based on nothing. Like, I don't go on Reddit. And I went on last night when you came to bed. I was on Reddit. It was shot. It's shocking the things they make up or the things they try to piece together that are based in no version. It's. But it's like, but this is my life and my story. So when you're like making mockery of it, it's like you want to correct it, you want to make it make sense. They're saying that the cult wasn't a cult, it was a rehab. There's this whole thread about speculating that I Just went to rehab and I called it a cult. And they're going on and on trying to find the rehab. And I went. And I just went. I commented. And I haven't. I never. I never knew it. I haven't done it in. I have never done it. This is the first time I have a Reddit handle that's like, Amanda Francis 111 1. I went in as Amanda Francis 1 1. I was like, y', all, this is the name of the church. This is the name of the pastor. It's like, I'm tired. Like, no, stop my life.

[Nick Viall]

But that's the thing that kind of. Eddie is right about that. You just. You. It's a winless battle, because even then, they're not going to believe you. I mean, maybe they're going to go

[Amanda Francis]

and they're just going to say something crazy about that now. They're going to make.

[Eddie]

There's still a whole population online that think I'm gay.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, that's true. Can we clarify that for the world? We met in West Hollywood. He chased me on the street in West Hollywood. And the world has decided that means he's gay. We were going at. What's it called? Laurel Hardware. We were going into Laurel Hardware.

[Eddie]

I've been. I've grown up in a. I've been to every gay bar, but. And I'm super confident. I just found it hilarious.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, it's not bothering him. People are really convinced he's gay, though. This is.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, when I first on. I've talked about this, but when I first went on reality tv, I was the villain. And then I would. After the show ended, I would go out in public and I would have people meet me, and they would say things like, oh, you're taller in person. You're better looking in person. You're nicer in person. And that, like, had a very negative effect on me because I found myself months later actively trying to almost meet everyone in person, because that wasn't.

[Amanda Francis]

People see how nice I am. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, and you obviously can't do that. You truly just kind of have to let it go.

[Amanda Francis]

What is helpful, though, is when we're at our Newport house, for some reason, when I walk down the street, there is. When I get stopped a lot. Like, a lot, a lot. And all the people just want to, like, say hi to someone they saw on tv. It's like, I love you on the show. So. And so was a bitch to you. You're doing great. Can we take a picture? Like, they're really not like the Reddit population is a small amount of, like, the viewership. It just doesn't feel that way.

[Nick Viall]

And for all you know, that same person was on Reddit.

[Amanda Francis]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

Saying those things.

[Amanda Francis]

Maybe they're so nice in person, like

[Eddie]

the person who flips you off for cutting them off. They would never be so emboldened in person.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, right.

[Eddie]

I think everyone can whatever they want

[Amanda Francis]

to say, but I think we shouldn't be able to say it anonymously. I wish if we could just change anything, say whatever you want online, but if we all had to show our names and faces, like those of us with an online presence and an online business and a reality show have to do, I think that would be fair.

[Nick Viall]

I would agree.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, they've done that in the uk. They got rid of Tattle. Tattle was a Reddit site that they got rid of because it became unsafe for the influencers and celebrities they were trying to take down.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I. I saw a post last week that. It was a very supportive post of you.

[Amanda Francis]

Of me? Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And it was like this kind of like you were looking all boss or whatever, looked like this businesswoman, and it was basically saying, she doesn't need this shit. You know, she's independently wealthy and now you kind of all want her back. Something about that fact. And it was just. You've done one season. And I'm just curious because I think there's a thought in this, in reality tv, specifically Bravo, that even though Housewives used to like, it originated as more women like yourself, all these wealthy people who were willing to share this kind of outrageous life they had with the viewers. And now over the years, that's drastically changed. You still have people like yourself or Kyle Richards who seem to be like, their checkbook is balanced and it's ready to go. And then you have other people who are like, they need this shit. This is their livelihood.

[Amanda Francis]

And.

[Nick Viall]

And do you.

[Amanda Francis]

And you can. You can tell when you're filming with them.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, and I. That was kind of. My question is like, I. On one end, it must feel liberating to be like, I can do this and not need this. And this gives me a level of freedom to say yes or no to things.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, absolutely. Well, I felt that when they were trying to first cast me, I felt through every meeting, every call, every whatever, I. I knew I didn't need it. I knew, like, I've always. Yeah, I've always had that. And I think that irritated some of my castmates when I would be a little. Whatever about some of the Dinner tables. I'm thinking, like, why do you all do this, and why am I here doing it with you? Like, yeah, but do you think it

[Nick Viall]

made it harder to do your job or to do what you wanted to do because you were mixed in with too many castmates who, like, needed it and were willing to kind of operate that way?

[Amanda Francis]

Those who need it, like, make the responses bigger than they actually are. Like, those who need it are, like, always trying to make sure they're getting the camera time. Very different on camera than off camera. And it's hard to. I was told multiple times, listen, this is your friend group. That's the premise here. This is your friend group. So do whatever you would do with a new friend group. I'm like, okay, I just get to know everybody. I wouldn't be forming, like, strategies and opinions and takedowns. I'd just be trying to get to know everyone in a new friend group. Right. And so then when you get there and you feel like people are trying to do whatever they have to do for their strategy and their storyline and their takedown, you're like, how do I ever get to know you? Like, how do we ever. So in that way, can the show really be built on relationships?

[Nick Viall]

Well, it depends on what those relationships are, I guess.

[Amanda Francis]

I think for some of my cast,

[Eddie]

there are shows that. That is the entire premise of trying to build a relationship.

[Amanda Francis]

Like dating shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you feel like you had opportunities to form real relationships, though they were always filmed. But this show's also fostering connection.

[Nick Viall]

Yes and no.

[Amanda Francis]

Like the Paradise Date, whatever that's.

[Nick Viall]

Your fans will often complain about this because, like, in that atmosphere, it's, like, it's very controlled. And the truth is, the men form most. Like, when it's a bunch of men living in a house and there's one female lead or vice versa. Like you. Actually, the most meaningful relationships you form are those. Is with the other men, the world that you're living with.

[Amanda Francis]

But you were the Bachelor.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I was on both sides.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay. But they really were isolating. When it was all the women bonding and you just having dates, it's very difficult.

[Nick Viall]

But to put. To answer that question, they rarely show those moments. They're not showing a lot of the bonding male friendships. They're showing the trivial, you know, like, oh, he interrupted me. Now I'm mad.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, when in reality, he didn't even interrupt. He was just like, you're next. You know, and then it was made to look like an interruption and things like that. And that's just kind of part of

[Amanda Francis]

the reality tv, I will say about coming back, though, that's just floated through my mind. I was thinking about the conversation we had after we had that date at that vegetable place, I don't know the name of it. And we were about to walk into the house and relieve the baby.

[Eddie]

That place is gonna be real disappointed. We're not name dropping. We really enjoyed that dinner. I can't remember.

[Amanda Francis]

It's in Costa Mesa. They have a lot of vegetables. Okay. We were standing in front of the house and I was like, you've never told me no before.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Amanda Francis]

I'm not a woman who you can say no to. And I almost feel like you're telling me no.

[Eddie]

That night was the most poignant night of it. And your immediate reaction was that of someone's telling me no, which does not go well.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Like you would have to coming back

[Amanda Francis]

for not coming back.

[Eddie]

Just telling her no to anything.

[Amanda Francis]

No one tells me no to anything. But I felt like he was telling me no to going back. Meaning if I went, I would still have his support, of course. But he didn't want to film anymore. He wasn't going to be taken away from his work day on a Wednesday to film something in our bedroom or whatever. Like you were just saying, like you were kind of saying, I'm out. And what you basically told me when we first. First met was like, cause I wanted to, like, fly to Paris or something randomly. And you were like, go to Paris. And you were very, very chill about it. And you're still that way anytime I want to do anything. But you said, I realized when I first met you that if you ever felt held back, you were out. Like, you are not someone who can be held back. So you've never, ever at all, in any way discouraged me from anything ever.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Amanda Francis]

And coming back felt like the first time you were kind of like, no, I really don't think you should.

[Eddie]

It's very different dynamics. Because not only did I realize that early on when we met, like, this is not a woman you're ever going to be able to, like, hold back from because you're insecure about something, but also, I never felt like you were going to be a woman that was trying to escape either. You were never going to be in a position that you needed to escape from.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Sure.

[Eddie]

So that made it very easy. And also the time in my life, like, figuring that element of my ego out and everything. But with this show, it was different because I've had. I have had to protect you in different ways in our relationship. And this time specifically, I'm just like, the amount of energy you spent post show.

[Amanda Francis]

I know.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

So that was like your biggest piece.

[Eddie]

Just like, I don't. What's the whole definition of insanity thing?

[Nick Viall]

Right?

[Eddie]

Because it would be, it would be the cycle. And, and I get it.

[Amanda Francis]

Because she's better at it.

[Eddie]

She can't uncommit from things once she does it, like, period. It's. Yeah, it's. It to her own detriment, even. And, and with the show, that was the thing. The show would air. We would spend Friday, Saturday, Sunday talking about it in different times of the, of the day. She would end up in the comment section or people would end up in the comment section or the Reddit or whatever. And then she would start formulating, okay, how do I, how do I change the narrative? How do I get. How do I get people to see what I need?

[Amanda Francis]

Do I want to make a post around this? Do I have anything?

[Eddie]

Tuesday, she would get that all squared away. Something would get posted.

[Amanda Francis]

She would. And then like Wednesday, Thursday, I'm a businesswoman again. And then the next episode comes out

[Eddie]

every week and I'm like, come on.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, it must have been.

[Amanda Francis]

I had a break, right? I didn't film just because of the way everything worked out. Like, I can't remember what it was, but there's like a one week I didn't film a little bit before Italy. I remember telling one of the producers, like, how are you doing after not filming for a week? And I was like, my brain turned back on the creativity which I was able to give my business this week is something I haven't given it in months. The presence I was giving my children. I. I became myself again. It's. It's weird to voluntarily commit to something where you feel so that it takes so much from you when your business and your family are your priorities.

[Nick Viall]

Before you went on Housewives, would you guys have considered yourselves? I mean, I know like, you have your business and you're like, you're public, but were you still relatively private about some of the things?

[Amanda Francis]

What do you mean?

[Eddie]

Very. No, you have. You've done.

[Amanda Francis]

In what way?

[Eddie]

When I first met you, it was actually my biggest concern because you had this public Persona.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, I wouldn't tag for months. I wouldn't tag him. No one knew who he was.

[Eddie]

I didn't know like, how that dynamic was.

[Amanda Francis]

No one knew the kids names for a long time.

[Eddie]

And then, and then, and then I realized how like, effective, frankly, she is at showing what she wants to be shown. That stays with her branding and imaging and everything like that. But private life is still keeping my private life private.

[Amanda Francis]

But where. Where I was going to say are you sure? Is like, in Money Mama, for example, which is my course for, like, working moms, there's, like, so many personal examples, like, from our life, from our relationship. There's a module on like. Like, sexuality module, where it just has honestly intimate details of our life.

[Eddie]

I still find that different than public

[Amanda Francis]

sprinkled throughout my work, but I think maybe you mean like social media.

[Nick Viall]

What I'm hearing is, though, whatever you shared, it was your choice.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And you could just decide at any

[Amanda Francis]

point and be very intentional with my decision.

[Nick Viall]

Even with us, you know, like, obviously we're public figures. We talk about our relationship on this show. But, like, we're very selective and there's things we don't share. And no matter what, it's our choice. And it must be a very different feeling for you, someone who, like, clearly values control, not in a, like, in a toxic way, but like, just being control of, like, your family, your life, your. Your marriage, and then giving that control up to an entity that. And a fan base.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, that's not good.

[Nick Viall]

That very much doesn't. Almost like you. You can tell how especially Bravo fans will, like, be resistant to housewives who seem like they're holding back. You know, I mean, Kyle's for the past couple seasons have been getting shit about her relationship status. And, you know, it's like, you're supposed to do this, you're supposed to do that.

[Amanda Francis]

If she needs to figure this one out off camera, like, let her live, man.

[Nick Viall]

For sure. But.

[Amanda Francis]

But then they're like, well, she's getting paid. Yeah.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Eddie, how is it for you having someone else control that narrative in the way that your wife was being perceived?

[Eddie]

Oh, wait, she's being perceived. Well, there's the. There's the lag, first of all. Right. She would film, and then she would talk to me about some of the stuff that went on or some. Or like, when she would even film her telling me some of the things. Like when you had the penis drowning party and I just walked away, I was like, stupid.

[Amanda Francis]

I thought that'd be a funny walk away. Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

And then it'd be out of sight, out of mind, and then it would air weeks and weeks later. And like, that was actually. There was almost, like, semesters to this thing, because there was the part of the season when you're filming where nothing has been Aired. And so there was. I was like, oh, this isn't too bad. Like, we're talking about some batshit conversation that happened in real life that she's telling me about it. And then the show started airing, and then there was a whole nother element to it brought in. Obviously, with the season, you also don't

[Amanda Francis]

know what your castmates are saying about you, so you don't know the narratives that you don't.

[Eddie]

Then there's another semester with, like.

[Amanda Francis]

I didn't know. They're questioning my.

[Nick Viall]

The.

[Eddie]

The banter and what they're saying in the interviews that makes you make. Would make her second guess.

[Amanda Francis]

We're all filming the interviews after we haven't seen each other for months. Everyone's more emboldened in their interviews. But that's weird to see people you hung out with, like, have these really strong opinions. But also, like, the narrative about my business, for example. I didn't know it was happening until Italy.

[Nick Viall]

When you got done filming, what idea did you have in your head of how you thought you would be portrayed? Like, you get. You wrap filming and you're like, the dust has settled. Like, what did you envision for yourself?

[Amanda Francis]

So, like, okay. I kept feeling like, because I was really unwilling and unavailable, and it just wasn't in my character to freak out about the dinner table, I really kept thinking that maybe I just did, like, a really bad job and I was going to be kind of boring because I just, like, say what I think and then kind of have nothing else to say, retract a little bit. So I kind of thought people would either think I was like, like boring, not interesting, like, one and done. And so when I started kind of getting the feedback, like, everyone's really happy with you at Bravo. Like, you're involved in every major storyline. I was surprised. I'm like, how?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Like, did that scare you a little bit?

[Amanda Francis]

No. I mean, if the goal in this universe is to be asked back, which is not my personal goal.

[Nick Viall]

What was your personal goal?

[Amanda Francis]

I thought. I thought, go on there. See who you make friends with, see who connect with. Try to have a decent time. Try not to engage in the stuff you hear about the show that is not your vibe. Get a lot of eyes on you and see what it does for your business and book and Brandon life.

[Eddie]

You know, there was that Barbie dream element of, like, getting on a TV show.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. In some form. Representing Beverly Hills was, like, a very wild idea. Like, really, you know, like, I made it here somehow.

[Eddie]

There are certain elements that she was pretty much Unshaken to, though the one thing that I told her, I was like, listen, no matter how things get edited, which we don't know and we have no control over, as long as you stay true to yourself and are. And are genuinely you through it, some people aren't gonna like it. We don't care about that. Obviously we do. But as long as you stay true to yourself, then there's. You can't walk away with any regrets outside of maybe the time and the

[Amanda Francis]

effort that you and I really don't have regrets.

[Eddie]

And I. But I think that's a big reason why there was, like, almost a full circle with a lot of the Bravo fans. They realize, like, she's. She's not fake. She's not putting this on by the reunion.

[Amanda Francis]

Never change. This is her.

[Eddie]

This is really her. And she doesn't let these people get her ultimately flustered.

[Amanda Francis]

People went from, what is she hiding by not freaking out? To like, oh, she's unbothered by nonsense. Which felt good for me.

[Nick Viall]

Two part question. One. One's actually a question. And then. Then I want to, I guess, challenge you a little bit on and hopes that you come back. But if you have no regret. First question. If you have no regrets, then why aren't you coming back?

[Amanda Francis]

I have no regrets in how I behaved because, listen, had I researched castmates the way I was being researched and gone that avenue and then gone to dinner with them to try to take them down, I wouldn't feel good about myself because that wouldn't be true to me. I don't care if it's the way it normally goes on the show or what people like. I just couldn't live with it. Right. So I didn't do anything I can't live with. Like, as far as mentioning the. The, like sunscreen in the Chanel backpack or the 10,000 on crystals or whatever, like, I would have done that different. But that's kind of like, you don't know until you know.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I think that's kind of learning how it works.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. I think those things are cute and funny, and my friends would have thought those things are cute and funny, and we are.

[Eddie]

With her friends, there was a lot of laughing about how much people were freaking out about that. We're like, why is this. Why is this such a drag to you guys? Amanda will randomly drop those kinds of things.

[Nick Viall]

Well, dry senses of humor and sarcasm are.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, it's a little well received.

[Nick Viall]

And often they're an editor's gift because you can strip the context down and

[Amanda Francis]

Then the person just seems like they're saying something out of nowhere, just completely out of touch. We were looking at the prices on the bottom of the crystals, talking about how much they were, and I was like, I spent 10,000 in one sitting before. In context, that makes sense. Crystals are expensive.

[Nick Viall]

Like, there's this very, like, infamous bachelor scene before my time. I forgot what his name was. And he was, like, one of the major villains at the time. And, you know, ultimately, I don't think he really liked the girl, and she was popular, and so he ultimately, like, left. And there was, like, this. They showed the scene, like, he sits down to do, like, their. What they called in the moments, whatever that you guys do. But they're doing it, like, in between, like, filming. They're not, like, being called back. And he's like, how's my hair? You know, like, sitting down, which everyone

[Amanda Francis]

does when they sit down for an interview. Right.

[Nick Viall]

But the way it was used made him seem like he's just like, he was deliberately trying to manipulate this bachelorette and was so, like.

[Amanda Francis]

Like, they're having this heartfelt moment, and he's, like, only caring about his hair.

[Nick Viall]

He only cares about his hair.

[Amanda Francis]

And it's just like, that's really not fair.

[Nick Viall]

But that. That's.

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, that's what it is.

[Nick Viall]

That's what it is. We sign up for that happens all

[Amanda Francis]

the time, for better or for worse.

[Nick Viall]

Second part of that is, I will say, like, the reason why someone like yourself, if you were down to do it, and I could never argue someone like the couple that's sitting before me, if you're like, listen, it's just not. I don't need it. It's not good for mental health. You're not gonna hear me be like. You should really. I mean, I say this as a fan, not a friend.

[Amanda Francis]

Sure. Be a fan. Sure.

[Nick Viall]

But as a fan, people like yourself always get it tough early because you make it so easy for your peers and your cast members to rip on your dry sense of humor, or just the way you kind of process information, and then the fans will rip that apart. But what fans love the most on reality TV is authenticity, and it's why you look at the scamanda of it all. I don't know if you're following that, why they're getting so much. Any reality TV star that gets the most hate is when fans will be like, we thought you were this, and it turns out you were that. They will get eviscerated.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

The other Amanda, there's the other scamanda

[Eddie]

Skamanda's been thrown at her too.

[Amanda Francis]

But I'm. They call me that name too.

[Nick Viall]

I know, but like, you're. But you're someone that, like, if, let's say you go back five seasons, my guess is you will be this version of Amanda. You will be this consistent. Maybe you say the, like the kind of out of touch things. You have like a sense of humor that doesn't, you know, that everyone doesn't get.

[Amanda Francis]

But they get it more as they watch the show.

[Nick Viall]

It will keep showing up and showing up and people will be like, I can trust this person. And then you will find more people who will say, I'm an Amanda and your fan base will grow. I mean, that it will happen. But it is always tough for people with your type of personality because they always come in and they always get fucking crucified. Because it's easy to crucify someone like yourself who is kind of like, I don't know what's wrong with what I said. It's true.

[Amanda Francis]

Well, and also who's just different and who doesn't maybe always read social situations the way everyone else does. And yeah, all of that. I don't. It's just kind of a painful experience. Honestly.

[Eddie]

That's a whole nother element to the show that I was like super aware of in the beginning. Her friendship circle is very small and to get into her, she's friendly to everybody. But to become a friend of Amanda, it's not easy. She's got a full life and a full cup. And so it takes a while for you to actually broach into that realm. And so the whole premise of you're going to be on a show with these. How Many are there? 5, 6, whatever. However many women there are. And we're supposed to be friends. I was like, this is going to be interesting because this is just day one.

[Amanda Francis]

You were just saying you don't let everyone in easily. You don't necessarily want to be friends with everyone.

[Eddie]

Right. But it's a strange social experiment.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. You know, it is kind of a strange social experience. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How did you guys meet?

[Amanda Francis]

He chased me down the street in West Hollywood. Do you want to hear the whole story?

[Eddie]

It's the reason I say I'm better at manifesting than her, which is not. I just like, annoying.

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[Eddie]

you want to tell her? Do you want to correct me in my parts?

[Amanda Francis]

I'll tell it and then you can. I don't know, we'll see how it goes. I've been making these lists for like I met you when I was 33. I started making these lists when I was for 20 years I made lists of what I wanted in a person just before I even knew what manifested manifesting was. This is just kind of how I am. I manifest things. So list of like all these qualities

[Eddie]

and then I think it's probably common for a lot of girls like writing out or making little which I'm sure

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

15 year old, they definitely change over.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. But something stayed the same. So I was making all these lists and then I was like no, like I'm ready, like it's time. Like, I had been in this really long relationship, and then I had been single for like five. Whatever. I was like, ready. It was time. So I'm like in that vibe of, like, I'm gonna. I'm just in that I'm gonna meet him kind of energy. Like, I'm just excited, Excited about it. I'm going out kind of, like, intentionally. I don't know. So I'm in the vibe and I'm walking on the street toward Laurel Hardware, and I walk past him and thank God I did not see you were smoking a cigarette or I never would have talked to you.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Were you walking by yourself?

[Amanda Francis]

I was my friend, Lena. Okay, so. But here's the. Okay, sorry, I forget about this. So I lived in Mountain.

[Eddie]

Part of how we met. We're getting past the part of how we met already.

[Amanda Francis]

What do you mean, how did we meet?

[Eddie]

My side of it, how I manifested you so much quicker.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay, tell that in a minute. For all this to work out, for me to be walking by him on that street at that time, there had to be Traffic on the 405 at 9pm I had to be late getting to dinner at Wally's. My friend Lena had to make me stop in the street of Beverly Hills to listen to some rap song that was about money that I was gonna love. She had to tell me we couldn't park on the street. We had to park by her apartment. Once we got to, like, all these things had to happen for me to be walking right then. Right. And I had one intention. I had many intentions. I had an intention, though, that I would not meet someone through an app. I just was. I was on all the apps. Whatever. I could not meet someone through an app. I needed a meet. Cute. Okay, here we go. You're at dinner.

[Eddie]

I was at dinner with a close friend of mine who I was living with at the time where he had

[Amanda Francis]

a roommate situation like Full House. There were three men and Eddie's two kids.

[Eddie]

It was literally like an early 90s sitcom. He was. Yeah, he's one of my longest, longest, longest time friends we've had.

[Amanda Francis]

Can we tell humanity that I didn't break up your marriage because I'm so tired of that one.

[Eddie]

Yes. She did not break up my marriage.

[Amanda Francis]

So he's not even close.

[Eddie]

There was. Oh, okay.

[Amanda Francis]

Your ex was in a full relationship when I met you.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Okay.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay. Everyone here that looking at all the

[Eddie]

cameras, she was really on it. She's not a whole night.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

She was really on Reddit last night. Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Listen so he's living.

[Eddie]

That's partially my doing because there was. It was short period of time.

[Amanda Francis]

I went, you guys weren't divorced yet because Covid delayed the paperwork for everyone's divorces, right?

[Eddie]

We were. We were separated. And I.

[Amanda Francis]

The, frankly, I went, sorry, you're. He's living in Encina with two of my part friends and his two kids. Continue. I'm sorry, not a homewrecker. Continue.

[Eddie]

No, she's not a homewrecker. But the timing. The timing didn't make sense to some people because she and I were already dating and the divorce paperwork finally became final. On top of that, once I did separate and move out, Nick, my best friend, who I moved in with, we literally called each other the same day to tell each other that we were. Different circumstances. But getting divorced, both getting divorced.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay. So then they moved in together.

[Eddie]

I was like, well, I need a fucking place to stay. And he's like, so do I. I was like, let's just fucking do this. So it was literally me.

[Amanda Francis]

They did a really good job making that little place a home.

[Eddie]

You guys were good. Liam and Shosh are older kids and they're.

[Amanda Francis]

Liam and Shosh had bunk beds in this little cute room, and the three men had their bedrooms and.

[Eddie]

And they were. The guys were awesome because frankly, they were single, no kids. They didn't have to move, like back into the Valley. They could have gone and lived in West LA or wherever they could have gone.

[Amanda Francis]

Been young people.

[Eddie]

They were. They were game. We got a house. We had a backyard. Like, it was really.

[Amanda Francis]

It was three men and a baby. And I'm living in a three story house in Malibu with an elevator and four garage, four car garage and all space in the world. And I go to your. When we started dating, I go to your house. Like, there's all these humans. Okay.

[Eddie]

There was. There was a lot I was very aware of. Like, I'm bringing her into some shit right now.

[Amanda Francis]

But they decorated it very nice.

[Eddie]

Both Nick and I kind of went hard in the paint like, once. We were like, all right, I want to start. I had never dated on. In a period of apps. Like, we had MySpace when I. Yeah,

[Amanda Francis]

him and his ex got together. You and you guys got together and you're like 21, right?

[Eddie]

22, 23, something like that.

[Amanda Francis]

He was super young.

[Eddie]

Yeah. So I'm like figuring all of this out and very pretty quickly figuring it out. Well, and also we're also going out on our own.

[Amanda Francis]

By. Well, you mean you're having an easy time Sleeping.

[Nick Viall]

He's six three, good looking and he's six five.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Six five.

[Amanda Francis]

He's trying to say he's sleeping with someone different every night.

[Eddie]

It was.

[Amanda Francis]

Was doing well.

[Eddie]

We had a good time. But then it got to a point where I was like, this is when it, when it first started. I was like, I don't ever want to do this shit again. Like, I'm done. I don't want to be married. I don't want to deal with it. I just want to dad my kids and move on with my life. And then I remembered who I am and I was like, I can't keep doing this. Like, this is. There's no meaningful connections in this. Like, I'm ready to meet my person. And I dated a couple people.

[Nick Viall]

Like, true.

[Eddie]

For a period of time. But.

[Amanda Francis]

So he's sitting at the Russian restaurant.

[Eddie]

We are in West Hollywood. It's a. It's a Ukrainian restaurant of those restaurant

[Amanda Francis]

restaurants where every vodka shot is flavored.

[Eddie]

They have their own infused vodkas. But you were constantly.

[Amanda Francis]

It's very Dr. We drank a lot.

[Eddie]

And that's why I was asked. That's not true. I was smoking cigarettes at the time. At dinner that night, I told Nick. I was like, I'm. I'm tired of this. I want to meet. I want to meet my person that

[Amanda Francis]

30 minutes later I walked down the street. And that's why he says he's a better manifester than me.

[Nick Viall]

That's amazing.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

So you walk past the street and you.

[Eddie]

I was. Nick. We were like. I said we were liquored up. Nick was ready to go home.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And I'm like, we're not. We're not done. We gotta go out. We gotta go somewhere. And he's like, where are we gonna go? We're in the worst part of West Hollywood for us to like go and meet chicks. And her and her friend walked by. I was like, we're going wherever they're going.

[Amanda Francis]

He says, we're going wherever they're going. I think that guy's really like, I just give you a little look. I think you're really cute. But I'm like, Lena's never my friend Lena that I'm with. I was like, she's never going to stop and talk to Nick. So we keep walking. I step into the street. Eddie's right behind me. He's running, he's caught up to me and he's like, oh. So we're. You walked very quickly. You have long legs. He walks quickly to meet me. I step into the street. He goes, oh, so we're jaywalking now? And I went, then what did I say? I said, oh. I said, it's okay. I'm with my attorney. Because Elaine is an attorney. She was my attorney at the time. I was like, it's okay. I'm with my attorney. And you're like, so you'll pay for my jaywalking ticket? And I was like, no, you'll pay for ours.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

And then you're like, can I buy you a really cute.

[Eddie]

And we were on opposite sides because I didn't jaywalk.

[Amanda Francis]

Right. You did too jaywalk. You followed me into the street on the crosswalk. Are you sure?

[Eddie]

A thousand percent.

[Amanda Francis]

You're sure?

[Eddie]

I will get the CCTV footage.

[Amanda Francis]

So he. You bought me a drink.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And then again, I was liquored up, so I.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

How quickly did you flick that cigarette away when you turned to?

[Eddie]

I tasted. I'm sure I finished it while I was.

[Amanda Francis]

I don't know. You don't remember the grace of God? I didn't see it. It was down at his side. Because I'd have been like, e. Would have been fine. I don't know. I don't know if I would have talked to you. Anyway, so we're standing in Laurel Harwer, and we're. And our two friends don't want to be talking. They're both trying to leave, but we can't stop talking to each other. And then we realize we have a mutual friend, one of his close friends from high school. So he moved here from the Ukraine when he was 4, but he grew up in. What's that party town called?

[Eddie]

Calabasas.

[Amanda Francis]

No, you grew up in W house. So I asked him how he went to high school. He says, Calabasas. We realize his close friend from high school is, like, my neighbor in Malibu. Right? So I grabbed my phone. I'm like, amber, I, like, take a picture with Eddie. I'm like, I'm with Eddie at a bar. She's like, oh, my God, he's so cute and fun. Have so much fun. Tell me how it goes. You should make out with him. Which is good, because had. She said, like, get away, creep. Right? So I had run, like, a check really quick that he's, like, a good guy.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Thank God she responded fast.

[Eddie]

She did.

[Amanda Francis]

God. But then she.

[Eddie]

It turned out she was gonna find out. She knew that I was single and wanted to see.

[Amanda Francis]

So maybe we would have met one way or another. We also had the same massage therapist on that app where you book massages.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, right, right.

[Amanda Francis]

Right.

[Eddie]

I don't think that would have happened.

[Amanda Francis]

You don't think the most therapist, but

[Nick Viall]

it seems like the universes were somehow aligned.

[Amanda Francis]

Maybe it worked out.

[Eddie]

No, it didn't.

[Amanda Francis]

I also remember I was about to leave on a flight for Europe. This was the January before we met. We met in August. I had this weird feeling that my person was coming. It was the first time I'd ever felt this like, no, they're coming. It's time. And that's when your marriage, like, fell apart.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

So wait, you moved here from the Ukraine when you were still here?

[Eddie]

My family, yeah. I was four and a half when we moved here. Legacy builders. My grandfather was in construction, my father was in construction. All in the Soviet Union, in Ukraine. And I, for better or worse at that time in my life, ended up following in their footsteps. And I still do it now. We specialize in finished carpentry. Pre Covid, we were almost exclusively hospitality. Pretty much every landmark hot in la,

[Amanda Francis]

Every piece of wood in Beverly Hills. Hotel. Hotel Bel Air. Where else? A lot of the additional. Just name them. Brag on yourself. Take it from my playbook. We will be laying in bed at like a five star hotel, and he'll be telling me how he did the ceiling or whatever.

[Eddie]

The only. The only interesting thing to people. We had a period of our. We had a period where we did break up after our initial meet. Cute.

[Amanda Francis]

Yes.

[Eddie]

And then we reconnected. We reconnected and. But we were not together. I told her, I was like, I don't know what this is. I just know I want you to be in my life, but we need to become friends. It was intentional from my standpoint, because I felt you can't have a relationship without a foundation. And when we first met, it was

[Amanda Francis]

just like so in love so fast.

[Eddie]

It was too much.

[Amanda Francis]

So we kind of needed that break.

[Eddie]

Yeah. To get our shit together and. But I knew she knew I was dating. I knew she was dating.

[Amanda Francis]

I was dating like crazy.

[Eddie]

And she did a selfie in the bathroom at the Bel Air Hotel, which is one of the hotels that we did.

[Amanda Francis]

But I knew he was watching my Instagram. I was intentionally going on dates and having like a guy's hand by the Shakur I was doing.

[Eddie]

I. This is the only time I ever commented, though I. I DM'd her pretty quickly after.

[Amanda Francis]

Immediately after I posted.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And how does it feel to be surrounded by my wood?

[Amanda Francis]

He said, how's it feel to be surrounded by my wood?

[Eddie]

She's at.

[Amanda Francis]

Because he built that bathroom. And I Was like, what the. But that was July 4th. I was on a July 4th date at Hotel Bel Air, which was so random. But I met your kids on July 13, so it didn't take long.

[Nick Viall]

What makes your relationship work as well as it does?

[Eddie]

What makes our relationship work as well as it does? Frankly, I think we've lived a fucking life before we met.

[Amanda Francis]

True.

[Eddie]

This would not have worked earlier. To your point about how the universe is meant. We were in. Before the show. You and I were talking about. The first time I went to Israel. She was in Jerusalem at the same exact time. Was in my early 20s.

[Amanda Francis]

I was a teacher assistant at the Hebrew University.

[Eddie]

We could have crossed paths.

[Amanda Francis]

Was doing Birthright, and I'm not even Jewish. Like, I just had a Jewish professor at SMU who loved me and brought me with her.

[Eddie]

This. There was. There's an element of, like, this.

[Amanda Francis]

How are we in Israel the same times in 2011?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

We.

[Amanda Francis]

I would say yes. By the time I met you, I was ready. I was ready to have kids. You already having kids was not a detriment at all. I was down. I was ready. It was not a thing to me I wanted.

[Eddie]

She was like, I'd rather have a baby than a ring. I'm like, let's have some more babies.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. I wanted to go ahead and have babies. I wanted to step mom your kids. Like, our kids. I like, I. I had traveled the world. I had grown. I had done everything I wanted to do. So, like, I don't have it. And. And because what we said of, like, you'll never. You would never hold me back. Like, I just feel very free and happy inside my relationship. Like, I feel very grounded and anchored. I had no anchors for years. No relationship anchors. No. I was nomadic for years. I didn't even have a home in America.

[Eddie]

So, like, from a relationship standpoint, we both value each other's independence.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

While also valuing our relationship and our. And our.

[Amanda Francis]

He just went to the French Alps for, like, seven days to do a festival thingy. And I was like, go live your best life. It was his bachelor party. I was like, I will handle all four children.

[Nick Viall]

What was the hardest part about watching your guys relationship portrayed on this show in terms of any ways that you guys felt it was misrepresented.

[Amanda Francis]

So let. Do you want to do it first?

[Eddie]

Sure. I mean, we know why he's asking it.

[Amanda Francis]

You go first.

[Eddie]

It's the financial gap and how it got spoken about on the show and then ultimately how it also got portrayed. And one of the reasons Why I agreed to come on and like, even do any of this is, I was

[Nick Viall]

like,

[Eddie]

frankly, it's a bigger issue, I think just about masculinity in general and how men have such a tight tie between their financial well being to their masculinity and to their worth in general. And I just don't.

[Amanda Francis]

You don't play that way. Where does your manhood come from?

[Eddie]

Being a father and being a partner and being a protector above all. Now, that being said, her statement that did get used on the show of the I make more in a month. Then he still puts me in the top 5% of individual. No, it's 5%.

[Amanda Francis]

You googled it.

[Eddie]

I didn't want Reddit to.

[Amanda Francis]

Guys, he's still in the top 5% as an individual.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Eddie]

And. And I've had years where I'm talking about your company.

[Amanda Francis]

You're talking about personal. Take personal.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And. But I've had years where we had. I have made more than that. And frankly, I tell her all the time, I was like, I know where I'm going and I know what I'm going to achieve, and I can't wait for the time where even your income will just not matter and I can just be like, go, do whatever the fuck you want to do and use my money. Like, I, I look forward to that. But that's not. That has nothing to do with that energy.

[Amanda Francis]

That intention to take care of me, like, is through our entire life the

[Eddie]

only legacy we actually have. I could make a hundred times more. I could be a billionaire. It doesn't matter. Our children are our only actual legacy, not our businesses. Even if our children take over our businesses, the children are still the legacy. And they don't remember that. They remember the experiences. They remember being supported. They remember being loved.

[Amanda Francis]

They felt safe when they were there, when we were there.

[Eddie]

They remember being strict when we need to be strict and disciplined. They remember all of that. My kids, we were. I was driving home. We were driving home from Newport yesterday, and Shoshana was asking me questions about this camping trip. I'm taking Amanda and the Littles camping for the first time. She's never been camping and I don't.

[Amanda Francis]

I want to have cell service for like four days.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it's gonna be great.

[Amanda Francis]

So everyone be really concerned and.

[Eddie]

But my, My older kids have been camping with me a bunch of times and she was like asking me, dad, are you gonna, Are you gonna make pyrimani? It's like Russian pot stickers, dumplings. She's like, are you gonna make pimani the first night like you always do? Like, the fact that she's got. They have these callbacks. They have memories.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

To that stuff. Of. Of me dadding them is more important to me than anything, than any amount of toys or whatever I can buy them. They're not gonna remember the Nerf gun that they got for Christmas. They're gonna remember the trips, the experiences.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That's what they're gonna remember.

[Nick Viall]

See, I think that's great. I think, honestly, I feel like you guys don't even have to defend you saying that in a way, because everybody was so.

[Eddie]

I was so appalled that I wasn't like, freaked out about. I'm like, I don't care.

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, I think you would have preferred. I could have find a different phrase.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Amanda Francis]

But like, it also.

[Nick Viall]

But why though, did it annoy you because, like, what people were saying or.

[Amanda Francis]

I think you felt like the phrase reduced our relationship down to something.

[Eddie]

It gave. It gave. It gave ammo. It gave. It gave him something food for the fodder. You know, like, everybody now is like clicking onto that. I'm like. And it's. And it's just out there now forever. Sure.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. The way these things live.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. But I feel like, I mean, thanks for sharing that. And honestly, like, as a new dad, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, like, you know, like, what. I started this show back in 2019 before I ever met Natalie. And I didn't ever anticipated her being on the show the way that she is. But, like, we work so well because then we were talking about this like a week ago. But like, we just. We're like, we really are a team. We just do it all together and we like, share in the responsibility of work and parenthood, and we really just share it all. And to your point, as a dad, like, the idea of taking care of my people is the most rewarding aspect of my life. And that's the thing in Bravo. We don't really. Bravo loves a very traditional, like, man, woman dynamic.

[Amanda Francis]

And they're not gonna get that from us.

[Nick Viall]

And. Yeah. And like, you know, there's a lot of rep. There's a lot of poor representation from men in Bravo world.

[Amanda Francis]

Totally. So I think people wanted to assume that he was either taking advantage of me or like being a bum or was like a stay at home dad. Like, there was like no space for us to be.

[Eddie]

Like, okay, I was so tired of the we. I was at breakfast with. We alternate sleep in days on Saturdays and Sundays. She Sleeps in on Saturdays, I sleep in on Sundays. And we take, we.

[Amanda Francis]

The other one takes the four kids

[Eddie]

out and I took the kids to breakfast in the morning and I was having a great time. We were eating breakfast and this smaller family, everyone's smart. The next day they were sitting across and the dad goes like, daddy daycare today, huh? I'm like, no, I'm just at breakfast with my kids. I don't get that stuff totally.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

When the dads are like, I got babysitting duty tonight.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I don't. It drives me, it drives me, it drives me nuts.

[Amanda Francis]

You're just parenting.

[Eddie]

This is really important to me to say this really quick because this is something that I've talked to some of your friends, like Tilly and I have talked a lot about this and I think it's a major issue with generally our culture and it has been for a long time. You probably know, I know a lot of instances of guys who have unfortunately taken their lives over the past several years and there's such a tight knit connection between that and their financial status. If your entire idea of manhood and being able to provide for your family is tied to your financial well being and how much money you can make when shit hits the van, which inevitably does for everybody in some capacity, you're left with nothing.

[Amanda Francis]

At that event we were at last week, I was, yeah, they were telling us about a guy who just committed suicide and left all his kids and it's because he had declared bankruptcy and didn't tell anyone.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I could lose it all tomorrow. And frankly, I'm going through a hard time in business right now, trying to change a lot of things when I come home. There's no wavering in the man that I am with my family.

[Amanda Francis]

No, never. And can I also say, like, this was just, it's just so silly. Like I would say to every woman, like, do what you love, find a way to get paid for it. Make the money you want to make and then marry who you want to marry because you like them. You know, like, can't we marry people because we love them? I, like, I didn't have to think. I was not thinking about how much money people made.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

This mindset, is it a reflection of how your parents were or is this

[Eddie]

your mom worked opposite very hard working household.

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, they had a 10 year.

[Eddie]

Frankly, considering what my parents went through, they were insanely present. Like they could have been way less.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Through my own work and therapy and experiences, I just have had the ability to have a lot of hindsight and look back on ultimately other father figures while my dad is still super present in my life. You know, coaches through water polo, people who got, like, the best out of me. And I've always known I wanted to be a dad from a very, very, very young age. And so I had a bit of a lens, like, growing up through high school and college of friends, dads, coaches, my dad being. And like, almost picking, choosing, being like, I see how my friend's talking about how his dad treated him today at practice. Right. Or whatever. And I just formulated all of that.

[Amanda Francis]

I was convinced.

[Eddie]

And then losing, ultimately, a battle, right, with my divorce. Cause I was not. I did not just, like, give up. I fought for it. I wanted to make it work. Divorce was a four letter word. I never thought I would be the man you could ask any of my friends. I was never the guy that anybody thought that was gonna happen to me. And then the last bit of it was Covid. Covid stripped everything away. You can't send your kids to school. I'm. I'm in a essential industry. Right. We had to keep working. I had to figure out how to work from home and remote. All of a sudden, for the first time, while being immunocompromised, everybody's getting Covid. My mom's in the hospital and having to parent it all at the same time. I'm just like. I remember this, like, switch flipped, and I just started buying stuff for the kids to have fun. I was like, I'm gonna make Covid like, the fucking core memory for them. And they. And they. They did. We were outside all the time. And that was. That was like, the final culmination.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

How old are the four kids?

[Amanda Francis]

10, 8. Almost 4 and 2.

[Eddie]

Okay, almost 11. Almost 9.

[Amanda Francis]

Stop. Troshana's not allowed to be almost 9. I met her on her third birthday. She's not allowed to be almost 9.

[Nick Viall]

Were you surprised, entering Housewives world, did you think you would be more warmly received as a successful woman? Entreprene.

[Amanda Francis]

Success of it. Yeah. Because in my world and personal development, it's like, she did everything right. She has integrity. She built up this audience. Like, she delivers what she says she will. Like, I'm very well respected in what I do. It is still very confusing to me. Like, also, why aren't we mad at Tony Robbins?

[Nick Viall]

Like, I think some people are.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, but, like, everyone's got haters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't. I thought there would be business questions. I thought it'd be kind of like, how most People in my industry, anyone with an online or e commerce business, like, our moms don't always know what we do. And it's kind of a joke that like our moms, like, it's a thing. Our moms have no idea how to explain it or whatever. I think a lot of millennials, I guess, and on all online or tech spaces probably have that. I thought it'd be like that. Like I don't know what word to use for it or I don't understand how the courses are delivered or what do they watch you talk about? I didn't think it would be manifestation is a scam. Money mindset is a scam. Like, I didn't, I didn't think that

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

the comments that Bose made about you saying that his children weren't your, that

[Amanda Francis]

whole, that stupid that they did the

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

flashback at the reunion, did that cause any issues between us?

[Eddie]

No.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

No, not, not at all.

[Nick Viall]

What was the specific comment?

[Amanda Francis]

Okay, it went like this.

[Eddie]

She called them. She called all of our kids her kids.

[Amanda Francis]

I said, I have four kids. And she said, oh, and I taught. I explained it. I was like, the imitation are my stepchildren and la. And she's like, oh, so they're his kids. I, you cannot tell me they are his kids when I dedicate my life to them. Like, it is so insulting to me the idea that they are not my children. And his ex wife's agrees. They are my kids. They are all of our kids. We are all raising them. She has no issues with this. This, like, I think Bose thought that like she was going to be kind of getting into something that most people would agree with and some people do, but also it's 20, 26 and there are a lot of blended families that have a lot of different things worked out. And it like the idea that they're not my kids, that I.

[Eddie]

It's preposterous.

[Amanda Francis]

Well, and it's, it's hurtful. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I'd say it's an interesting conversation. I, Because I can't relate to your guys experience. We only, we. It's our first kid. So it's like, it's interesting because like when a bow says something like that and I'm watching it, I probably would relate more to her point of view than yours.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. But once I say I'm raising them, they're my kids too. What else is there to talk about? And so then in her interview when she says, I don't know about this two mama stuff, there's one mama and it's Me, I'm like, okay, well, my kids have two moms. Deal with it.

[Eddie]

She may have that perspective in her situation. Right. But one of the main reasons why we got together, because, frankly, Liam and Shosh were at the top of my priority list of dating. She's the only woman that ever met them at all, of course. And if it wasn't what it was, I just would have stayed single.

[Nick Viall]

Did you ever offline with Bose about that conversation where you were like, yo, that really was upsetting? No.

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, she did tell me. I don't think it made the cut, but she mentioned once, you know, wanting her daughter to have a close relationship with Keely and wanting to, like, foster that for them. And she asked my opinion about that at our first lunch. And I was like, I think you let them know. I think you let them know that it's, like, okay with you for them to be close and for her to be like a dad to him. So, like, in that sense, I think she could probably see what it is to raise a kid and become another mother figure. I mean, the thing is, this is the thing I'd really want to say. We've. We never told the kids what to call me. They invented the name Smama. Like, they could have called me Amanda. They invented a name. It was cute. We ran with it, and there were many names before Smama stuck. I was like, llama mama Llama Ding dong.

[Eddie]

Mama.

[Amanda Francis]

I know. Mama Llama Ding Dong.

[Eddie]

These are all mostly from Liam.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. So eventually we. It's Mama stuck and they ran with it. So I never told them what to call me. That's one, two. I never told them, I am your mom. I am your other mom. That's how they interpret their lives. I've heard. I've heard them explain it to their peers. Like, well, what do you mean? They're both my mom. Amanda's my stepmom. Like, they don't, like, this is the life they live. So I, like, I didn't force, like, the comments. And the rhetoric is somehow, like, I've manipulated these children somehow. All I did was take care of them, you know, pick out their summer camps, stock their closets, make their lunch, volunteer at their school.

[Eddie]

Disney's uglies, you know, Horrible.

[Amanda Francis]

I don't like the evil stepmother stuff. Sucks. I think stepparents are probably a really, like, under supported, misunderstood population. It takes a lot to parent children that you are not obligated to parent that you choose every day. It's a very conscious, daily decision.

[Nick Viall]

Are there any of your Castmates trying to convince you to come back.

[Amanda Francis]

I'm not.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Who.

[Amanda Francis]

Who do you think I'm talking to?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

You haven't talked to anyone post reunion.

[Amanda Francis]

I think Kathy. Okay, I haven't asked Kathy what she thinks. That's not what we were talking about when I saw her. We were talking about the read the room and know your place thing.

[Nick Viall]

And who, if you don't come back is Cat. Other than Kathy, who do you think you will have a. Some kind of relationship with?

[Amanda Francis]

I'm sure I would always be friendly with Kyle. I think I'd always be friendly with Jennifer. I think. I don't know. I think, think. I think almost everyone. If I saw them out of the context of the show, we'd be able to say hello to each other in a way that's.

[Nick Viall]

Have you been following the dorit. Divorce and foreclosure stuff? That's.

[Amanda Francis]

I try not to, but Threads keeps telling me. I think Threads knows that I'm secretly interested.

[Nick Viall]

What are your thoughts, feelings and opinions on it?

[Amanda Francis]

I think. I don't know.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

I think if you did say on the show that she outsourced her financial

[Amanda Francis]

well being to a man. I know, listen, what I said to her at that lunch was like, okay, what's invested? What's in retirement? What's going on? I was trying to understand how much understanding she had of her finances, which, when I teach this, it's called intimacy with money. It's just really knowing what's going on with your money. It's really important, especially for women, because women will turn a blind eye to it. And she didn't know. I mean, I think it's just really obvious that, like, if you're not sure if the mortgage is getting paid, call the mortgage company. Like, and if the mortgage isn't getting paid, even if it's supposedly your ex's responsibility, if you want to save the home, like pay the mortgage and spend less on designer clothes now that the designer clothes receipt has come out of the 70 something at Louis Vuitton in the 30th, whatever. Like, and I love to shop, but I would never not pay my mortgage. Right. I don't know, but it seems like she thought that if the mortgage stopped being paid and she was making her best efforts to work, like, we all see her working more, getting the book deal, whatever, that he would just look bad for not paying his family's mortgage. But I think everyone looks bad. Yeah, I think everyone looks bad.

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[Nick Viall]

I just think it's crazy because I think Dorit is gonna lose her house.

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, sometimes I consider buying it.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Is it your style?

[Amanda Francis]

Well, okay, here's. If it wasn't so modern, if it wasn't so pigeonholed in this one specific, specific style, and I thought we could have an easier time renovating it into something that would, like, make us Money. I think I would absolutely consider buying it.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

This would be great for a season two free storyline.

[Amanda Francis]

No, I like it more the headline money. Clean buys a house and then I never come back and they never see me again. Isn't that more interesting?

[Eddie]

So we pivot to our renovation show

[Amanda Francis]

and then we get a renovation show HGTV calls actual component. That's our destiny.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

And it's renovating.

[Nick Viall]

All wiping away her memories.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, my God. I. Sage, everyone. I have the Palo Santo. I'm like, say your affirmation before we start the day. No, sit on it. We'll get our pitch together.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Sit on it.

[Amanda Francis]

It's an Encino. It's really modern. It's really like what they were. What they were. No, it's what they were doing at that very specific time.

[Nick Viall]

Like every house in Encino looks right.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Modern farmhouse.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Got it.

[Amanda Francis]

I. I don't think it'd be a fun renovation for us.

[Eddie]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think she thought like the cord of public opinion mattered in divorce proceedings or how the bank would make a decision on whether they foreclosed? Do you think she is that kind of.

[Eddie]

I don't think she knows how any of that works.

[Amanda Francis]

I think. I don't know. I just. I think she wants. I think she wants him to look bad and I think she wants everyone to side with her because he stopped being the provider or whatever. But like, none of.

[Eddie]

None of that matters.

[Amanda Francis]

You gotta pay your. I just. You gotta pay your bills. I just. I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

Another thing that's kind of weird because, like, I don't think PK ever looked good to any right of the audience members. And it's just surprising to hear that that was top of mind for her. And what it feels like as an outsider, as a fan, is that in the pursuit of making her ex look bad, she's making herself look worse.

[Amanda Francis]

Totally.

[Nick Viall]

And then when kids are involved, it's very quick for everyone to be like, well, wait, but what about the kids? And you have. You see these parents and then like

[Amanda Francis]

they release the text between the daughter, which should be illegal. You shouldn't be able to release child tax. But the daughter's just saying, like, take us on vacation. And like, so that we imagine that means the conversation in her home is like, your dad won't. Isn't providing for us to do these things like that has. Has consequences to a young mind, you know, and how they're perceiving their parents, like. Yeah.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Releasing text messages between you and your

[Amanda Francis]

10 year old daughter is like, yeah. You shouldn't. I mean, paparazzi aren't allowed to take pictures of us if we have our kids with us. You can't really. I shouldn't think you should release child conversations.

[Nick Viall]

Is that true? They seem to do that anyways.

[Amanda Francis]

Once upon a time. They used to be able to, but I think there's been a lot of like, I think Jennifer Garner, like, let up the stop taking pictures of my kids thing, and I don't think they can anymore. I was told that even if the stroller is anywhere in the shot, they can't take the picture anymore. I don't know if that's true.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

They can't sell it.

[Amanda Francis]

They can't put it on again. Yeah, Yeah. I don't think they can.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Wow. In California, did you see Bose calling Andy out after the reunion comment?

[Amanda Francis]

I thought the look on his face, because I was sitting right there, the look on his face when he said really was someone who was confused, not someone who was questioning her success as a woman. I don't know. I thought he liked confused.

[Nick Viall]

And I've always been a big Bose fan, but in that moment, I watched her video. She made less sense to me. And I think people kind of, you

[Amanda Francis]

know, I think they got tired of her correction videos because it just seemed like there were so many of them.

[Nick Viall]

Cmo, maybe they, maybe they are the scapegoat of the C suite in corporate finances, but I don't think they're. The way she explained it was like it's some sort of like temporary consulting gig.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, right. What's that?

[Nick Viall]

Which is like a fractional.

[Amanda Francis]

She was saying it like almost like a fractional CMO position.

[Eddie]

It's just making more sound like high level gig work. Like they're, they're on a. There's a, there's a term.

[Amanda Francis]

They're here, they revive the company and

[Eddie]

they move along to it.

[Amanda Francis]

When he said really, I think he was just confused. But then I think that he won't mind the call out because the call out brought a lot of attention to the show and that's his priority.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

So I don't think the call out is gonna upset him.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think Bose, like maybe got too comfortable? Cause she had like a really successful rookie season. She was pretty much unanimously loved and adored and no one really questioned anything about her background, her business. And then you came in and you seem to be this other kind of independently wealthy woman who's making money and you, you seem to have her attention and kind of attacking you. You. Do you feel like her Perspective on how she approaches going forward will change. Do you feel like maybe she learned a tough lesson by going after you only for people to then kind of look at her business?

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, well, that's like karma, and it's like, truest form, like, energy. Any energy you direct is going to be directed back at you. So I don't think it's shocking that she, like, tried to find things out about me, and in turn, it made people be like, like, well, why? Like, what about you? If, like, why is all this about her bothering you? I. I've seen a lot of, like, why does she trigger. Why does he mean to trigger her so bad? Like, what is this really about? I mean, I don't know. I think it would probably felt really great to be a very successful person and then have a very successful first season. And it probably feels like to have everyone question you, but, like, I don't know, what's the saying about dishing it and taking it and the spoon? How's it go? She can dish it out, but she can't take it out.

[Eddie]

Don't dish if you can't take.

[Amanda Francis]

Is that what it is? Something like that.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Along those lines, I don't know if there's a spoon involved.

[Amanda Francis]

I think as a child, my. My Mimi's husband always said that I always pictured a spoon in my head. There's a spoon. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Scale of 1 to 10, 10 being I'm back, 1 being 0. Chance. Where would you say you are today?

[Eddie]

Don't. Don't look at me. I know my answer.

[Amanda Francis]

How much? Your answer. You go first.

[Eddie]

Only because of Riri. One and a half.

[Amanda Francis]

No. Riri just took you from a zero to a one.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

I thought she took you from, like, a three to, like, a nine.

[Eddie]

No, that's just how much I love riri. No, like one and a half.

[Amanda Francis]

You really don't.

[Nick Viall]

The rush has worn off.

[Amanda Francis]

You really don't think I should do it?

[Eddie]

No.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. Well, let me say this.

[Eddie]

Like, you know, I want my sleep back.

[Amanda Francis]

Your sleep?

[Eddie]

Nights we spent up talking about this

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

stuff, do you think that now that you've filmed, you've lived it, you've put all of that energy into it? After the show, do you think there's a version of you that would be able to film. Let it air, let people have their

[Amanda Francis]

narratives, run with them, and could I compartmentalize better, especially? I think so. I think so. But I happen to know that some people who've been in it for a very long time have had anxiety about it every Single year and still do.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I mean, listen, it's an impossible. I think I'm as good as anyone at compartmentalizing. Yeah. Letting things get in this gig and. But I'm never perfect at it. And it.

[Amanda Francis]

Some days you carry it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. You know, not some days, almost every day. And it's.

[Eddie]

Honestly, how involved are you in your social media?

[Nick Viall]

Rarely, if any. I mean, like, I'm pretty good at that. But, like, just having to do the show, talking with people like Amanda, interviewing people in the reality TV space, like, it's hard not to get caught up in the fray. We try not to. Right. You know, but when you're talking about people's favorite characters and things like that,

[Amanda Francis]

say something negative about Bose when everyone's loving her. Now, you can be caught up in

[Nick Viall]

a whole drama that'll get clipped, and I can say, like, love bills, love xyz. I didn't really get this for your show.

[Amanda Francis]

Sure. I mean, it's hell, but it's good for your show. Isn't that what you're balancing in this?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And I kind of chalk it up as hazard pad. It comes with the gig. You know, it's like, I have to, like, do the conversation with my therapist about, like, there's no. I used to be an accountant. I used to have a real job. This is so much better. Like, you know, like, we're very lucky what we have, but I have to, like, there are aspects of this gig that, like, I would much rather do without. And. Yeah, it does.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You can never master it. You can only just control it. You have good days, you have bad days, you know, and. And I mean, you said it perfectly. I mean, because that's. That's how I think. Think about things like, where is my energy going? I. I. That is like, my religion about, like, it is not this in. In, like, this is not. Like, people think so much about our thoughts and how it's just, like, unlimited. We, you know, like, no, like, you're either thinking about this, you're either thinking about that. You're. They're doing this, you're. They're doing that. And, like, how much of your energy is caught up in the person you used to date versus the person you're trying to date or, like, the job he used to, you know, and. And it is a very costly thing that most people don't even recognize even to consider. So the fact. At least I will say the fact that you are aware of that is an advantage you have if you do want to move forward. Because at least you have a chance at controlling it.

[Eddie]

I did tell her, although I said no to her at that dinner and everything, I have zero issue with her being on camera and being in the

[Amanda Francis]

limelight and being as big as I want to be.

[Eddie]

I was like, I just don't think this. I think a lot of thing is the right vehicle.

[Amanda Francis]

We get a lot of dms like that. A lot, A lot of dms of like, we, like, we love you on tv. This is the wrong show. Or like, you're clearly made for tv. But why the hell did you pick Housewives? Like, I see a lot of that.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. But I think you'll get that with wherever you go.

[Amanda Francis]

But okay, listen, if my, like, ethos, if my, like, thing is building women up and empowering women and making them look and feel their best and believe in themselves the most, and if I've dedicated my whole life to that, and Housewives is sitting at a table to tear each other down and dig up dirt on each other to try to make an interesting show, like, you're gonna

[Nick Viall]

have a hard time stooping low.

[Amanda Francis]

I mean, I'm gonna have a hard time stooping low, but I'm also gonna sit at those tables and be like, what?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I hear you.

[Amanda Francis]

So that's, I think what my audience is like, this is a really weird format for you.

[Nick Viall]

How has Housewives helped or hurt your actual business?

[Amanda Francis]

This is what makes me kind of want to come back. So one thing I'm great at is pivoting. My whole career, I've been a really, really good pivoter. Like, I'm really good at, like, looking at my. I can, like, read. I can't read the room on Housewives, but I can read the room in my community. I just noticed over the past, like two years, year and a half, I don't know, a while, while that our low cost offers were doing really, really, really, really, really, really well. Right. Like, for a long, long time. Now we'll get a lot more people in an eleven dollar thing than a free thing. So that's just been in the back of my head. Then during Housewives, I'm looking at the comments section going, these people have no basis for spirituality. They have no, they have no, like, foundation for understanding manifestation. Or like, just a minute ago, when you're talking about energy and thoughts like, create. Like, that's a principle that I thought most of the planet had and they don't. So I'm looking at the comments section, create for these people. And then I'm thinking It's gonna be easier for a Bravo person to take a chance on a low cost thing than a high cost thing. All of this ruminates so through while we were filming, I released a couple like a training about protecting your energy. I released something like that for like $5. Like I was just been playing with stuff. Anyway, it all accumulated and I did a 21 thing called the abundance timeline where they got a module every day for 21 days. And it was on like. Like manifestation and what you think about and your self talk and really how to create your life. And five, over 5,000 people joined a 21 thing.

[Eddie]

Wow.

[Amanda Francis]

And I don't think I would have had those numbers without housewives. I think that was a lot of people kind of in the housewives peripheral going, let's just see what she's about. Now I have all these really happy people. My vision was, what if I give them something they can start their day with every day for 21 days? How would that change their life? Life, Right? And now we know 5,000 plus people are doing that. Like, that makes me want to do another season. Because if I could do that to 15 or 20,000 people at once, then I feel like my work is doing what it's meant to do. Like, she definitely cares. Like, money aside, you know, listen, I'm really good at making money. I can make money a whole bunch of ways. I could sell at another mastermind. Whatever I can make, I can make money a bunch of different ways. But like, my favorite way to make money in the past last several years was this was the 5,000 people in a 21 thing. That's so much more interesting and fulfilling to me than anything I've done in a long time. So, like, I think housewives help facilitate it. And I was just thinking I need to have my team run the numbers of how many of those people were new so I have more raw data. But my sense in the comments is like, we have a lot of new housewives. People just kind of interested and how. And then they're like saying stuff like, like. Like the way I'm talking to myself is so much kinder. I feel so much better. And I'm like, praise God. This is like what I want to do, you know?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Eddie, who do you need to DM Amanda to get you back up to a 10 if Riri didn't do it?

[Amanda Francis]

There's no one higher than Rihanna.

[Eddie]

Nobody higher.

[Amanda Francis]

It really only took you to one and a half? Not even maybe two?

[Eddie]

No, definitely not a five.

[Amanda Francis]

Wait, wait, wait. You said you didn't want to film anymore. If I didn't it again. Did Rihanna knowing that. Rihanna's watching you, baby. Rihanna is watching you.

[Eddie]

No.

[Amanda Francis]

Rihanna watching you doesn't make you want to film.

[Eddie]

No.

[Amanda Francis]

If the producers say she didn't slide

[Eddie]

into my DMs, what if she slid into yours?

[Amanda Francis]

I can't ask her to. If the producers say Amanda, that's part of the gig. Like, your families are on the show. You will do it for me.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Thank you.

[Eddie]

What I specifically told you that I would check out as much as possible from is she might get pissed at me for this. The repeat discussions and drama and emotional let go like you're tired of my OCD brain ruminating just the same, working

[Amanda Francis]

really hard on figuring it out.

[Eddie]

They don't care about this as much as you do. Let's get over it.

[Amanda Francis]

But I just couldn't make it make sense, you know? And I was just trying to make it make sense.

[Nick Viall]

Does she have conversations with herself in the backyard?

[Eddie]

No.

[Nick Viall]

No, I do.

[Amanda Francis]

Is that your. Is that your version of not in the backyard?

[Eddie]

She's.

[Amanda Francis]

No, but I journal.

[Eddie]

Yeah. You can tell that. That cycle that I was talking about, you can. You can very quickly tell, like, what phase she's in. There's like a introverted. I'm thinking. I'm thinking, how do I. How does this actually make me feel? Before that it'll be the emotional element of it where she's just like venting to me and there be. Sometimes there's tears involved. A lot of times there's tears involved. Not that that's an issue. And then I have a perfect way to say this. I've. I've called her a data forever. She loves. She needs data. She needs statistics. When we were dealing with pregnancy, when we were dealing with the Niku, when we're dealing with like literally everything. When she doesn't have the information, she.

[Amanda Francis]

I want the information, but then I want to decide that it doesn't matter and I can do anything I want to do anyway.

[Eddie]

But that's. But that's part. That was part of that process.

[Nick Viall]

Process.

[Eddie]

Every week she'd be trying to get the information just so she could figure out exactly how she feels on it because she can't make rash decisions on.

[Amanda Francis]

It's really hard to know it to make a housewives world because if we're looking at people from housewives in the abundance timeline, then I'm thinking, what a blessing. If I'm looking at people from housewives and Reddit that I'm thinking, like, this is the worst thing I've ever could have done to myself, you know, And Housewives created both.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

That's probably why people go back over and over, though. Like, the. I think the attention is really interesting and really compelling. The people stopping on the street like it, like the spotlight, I think, hooks people in. And then I think if you have a business and it's affecting you positively, I think it probably keeps people.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I mean, and Bravo has a. Bravo's a very great and dedicated and loyal audience and a very successful audience for the most part.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

What did you think of Sutton saying she found out that you took a two million dollar loan out?

[Amanda Francis]

Baby, do I have. I taken a two million dollar loan out?

[Eddie]

We have a normal mortgage. We have a normal. Like, we're on in a lot of ways. We're just like everybody else. We're like, we don't want to sell the house. We have a fucking insane.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah, I got an.

[Nick Viall]

You got a great rate.

[Eddie]

I don't want to give it up. Like, yeah, we're talking about it, like, when we end up moving down to Newport, like, we're like, we want to rent the house potentially because we don't want to.

[Amanda Francis]

I don't want to get. Yeah, I know. I think I'll, like, I think we'll make more money long term if we hang onto that house and put renters in it eventually anyway. That's beside the point. There's no two million dollar loan. But, like, there's a lot of stuff about how, why doesn't she own her house free and clear? Because it makes more money in the stock market. Like, are you crazy? Like, if I were to pull money out of investments and pay off the

[Eddie]

house, I wouldn't want 2.6%, I think 2.7% interest rate on her mortgage.

[Amanda Francis]

Four point something. We're in the fours.

[Nick Viall]

So Eddie's a 1.5. What are you.

[Amanda Francis]

Huh.

[Nick Viall]

Coming back out of 10. Sounds like it's going up and up.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

It does sound like it's going up and up.

[Amanda Francis]

So there's days where I'm like, just living my life or whatever. Sorry, That I can't answer a straight question. But there's days that I'm just like, living my life and I think of something that, like, would make sense to say at one of those dinners and I'm like, you know, I could say that. I could say that clearly and I could say I'm so much stronger now because I know more about how this goes. And, like, I can do It. And then, like, later, if I'm on the Internet or something and I just see a bunch of nonsense, I'm like, what is this? Like, I have a hard time not looking at it, like, energetically. Like, it feels and looks like this tangled, sticky, spinning web. It's like a very weird world.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

So you're 10.

[Amanda Francis]

There are days where I'm a three. I think I maybe get up to like a. I think there's days I get up to like, a six. If I could do this again.

[Nick Viall]

Is there a world. I mean, I've always thought that reality TV is. Is not for married couples by. In this fact that it, like, it does nothing but, like, create friction and drama when. When marriages are supposed to both.

[Eddie]

All the Real Housewives are all divorcing me.

[Nick Viall]

There's that too.

[Amanda Francis]

But do we have Real Housewives? Because, I don't know, the other franchises. Do we have some that are like Kyle and Mauricio's, who. Everyone really loved them together, but have. Are still together there?

[Eddie]

Yeah, we have many. Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I think you survive if you make it through. I think you've done a lot of.

[Amanda Francis]

I think you have to have really thick skin because you have. Okay, one, you're protective over me. So there was months where I wasn't consuming anything.

[Eddie]

Like, let's be real here. I have very thick skin.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah. There were months where I'm reading nothing and he's reading everything. He knows every narrative about me, so he. Like, you're dealing with that, and they're dealing with the things that they say about you. And like.

[Eddie]

Like, the stuff they said about me had no impact. And I was only in looking at things for years.

[Amanda Francis]

No, there was like, a period of time where you were processing whatever it was.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah, but I was. What I said earlier about how you need your data, I was there as trying to be another. Because you have your team that can phrase things and give you information in a certain way. And I can also step back, I feel like, better sometimes than your team and be like. Like, this is how I kind of feel. Like everybody's looking at.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Would you do that again if she

[Amanda Francis]

were to go back? Or would you try to get your algorithm back to, like, water polo and building?

[Eddie]

It's been hard, but my algo's back.

[Amanda Francis]

Your algorithm's back?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Did you have to say not interested, not interested, not interested to a lot of housewife?

[Eddie]

No, honestly, the bachelor party fixed it all. It's just nothing but music, content. So it's like, finally back.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, that's good. I think it's really hard on relationships because even though we've been basically fine, like there was a chunk of time where I was processing what it was for me and you were processing what it was for you and it wasn't like, like easy on us.

[Eddie]

Yeah. You know, I don't, I don't anticipate like getting any sort of stardom out of this thing. So I don't think that's going to be an element of it. Like, I'm not going to be the husband of Real Housewives going on. Right. Going on dancing.

[Amanda Francis]

The fact that he's Instagram. Yeah. Is like, not. Is kind of appealing to me.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Who would you trust the least going into if you were to go back?

[Amanda Francis]

We know we can't trust Bows now. You know, I think she was pretty determined to make me look bad.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think there's any regret on her end or do you think there's a deeper feeling towards you?

[Amanda Francis]

I mean. Well, she apologized to me at the reunion. I thought it was a sincere apology and she apologized in one of her post episode reel moments. I mean, I don't know, is she motivated by public opinion? I don't know, know what is her motivation? Is she motivated by public opinion? Is she, I don't think she's there to make friends.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Anything we haven't been able to ask Amanda and any that we want to before we send them on their way or anything you didn't get asked.

[Amanda Francis]

You're a good man. I love you. Thank you for supporting me and all the crazy things I do.

[Eddie]

You're welcome.

[Nick Viall]

And I really, I mean, thanks for coming, man. I, I, I really enjoy, I don't get to talk to as many men as I do women. I love, love to have my women guests. But like, also just like I'm in my fatherhood era. Yeah, I really like hearing about men like you.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that's my, Please don't show up in my DMs now.

[Amanda Francis]

Who?

[Eddie]

Anybody? No, that's the handles. The dad. The dad.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, his hand.

[Eddie]

When she did your show last time and she came back and was asking me some questions about that, that clip, the financial thing, I was like, I, I've never cared, but I would like to go in some sort of form.

[Amanda Francis]

I had something to say, to fucking

[Eddie]

say this and I was like, it's sad. I know multiple people that have ended their lives as a result. I've been in a very dark, dark, dark, dark place as a result of it as well. And I just think it needs to be talked about. There's more priorities. It's not our actual legacy, but.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I mean, you're speaking to the way the society almost reduces a man's value down to, like, what he makes.

[Eddie]

And that's. And that's why we were random, you know, and we. We saw our dads just clock in, clock out, both at work and at home.

[Amanda Francis]

Totally.

[Eddie]

You know, and I think there's a reason why are we millennials? What are we called?

[Amanda Francis]

We're elder Millennials.

[Eddie]

Like, we've, We've changed it. We're. We're trying to be more present, and we're. And frankly, we're having the hardest time of any generation of men because we're trying to work, we're trying to dad. We're trying to be present.

[Amanda Francis]

Same. Like, women are providers, too. And we're at home, like, yeah, we're all in. All of it. It's just not divided the way it used to. But I would argue, as far as the emasculating idea, am I emasculating him by making more money and talking about it, or are, like, the people sitting on those couches with me emasculating him by reducing him down to that. You know what I was going to say? Because a lot of who's actually emasculating,

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

like, my, you know, my husband wouldn't have been okay with that.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, like, Rachel said that. Yeah.

[Eddie]

When I saw her say that, my immediate takeaway way, like, first thought was like, then he's not secure in his. In his fatherhood, in his masculinity. I don't care. We had to talk about that very early on. When we were first house shopping, when we were looking to a place to move in together. We had a. We had a budget. I had told her how much I can afford to kind of put into it and contribute into it.

[Amanda Francis]

And we were looking, I was like.

[Eddie]

And a house popped up. And I was like. I knew the address, I knew the area. I was like, this is to be going to be bad. And when we pulled up, it was ridiculous. And I immediately thought, I was like, she's going to love this house. And I, and I can't contribute in any meaningful way towards this level of, of rent.

[Amanda Francis]

And I said, it's fine.

[Eddie]

And we had, we had a talk. We went to lunch afterwards, and I very candidly and vulnerably like, told her. I was like, I. I don't want to feel like I'm mooching off of you in any way. I don't want. I also don't want this held over my head in any way. I will provide everything that I possibly can provide, but if you want to live in this lifestyle like, you were,

[Amanda Francis]

like, I don't need it.

[Eddie]

I don't need this.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Did you pay for that lunch?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

We can't cut twice. I gotta say a couple things I forgot. Okay. Me being the breadwinner. One doesn't mean he doesn't work. Two doesn't mean that he would let me buy a dinner or a date. You obviously pay for dates, like, because, duh, that's crazy. And have you seen the idea that I bought the ring? Okay, that doesn't bother you? That bothers me. Do you know why it bothers me? Cause you got me, like, he got me, like, the best ring. Right. And it, like, you had to save up for it.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

You had to work to get me the ring.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Amanda Francis]

Right. I could have just gone and bought the ring, but that wouldn't have been meaningful. You wanted to give it to me, and that's, like, who you are as a man and as a person. So that meant I had to wait longer for my ring. But I waited and I got the ring. And I love that you. You bought it for me. You know what I mean?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Did you have a helicopter drop you off for your wedding?

[Amanda Francis]

We're not. Well, we had our courthouse wedding, but our wedding wedding. 10, 1026.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

Is Rihanna invited? Because apparently she's not invited to Bose's wedding.

[Amanda Francis]

And why is Rihanna not a motive?

[Nick Viall]

I saw something online. I don't know if it's accurate, maybe it's fake news, but it was like, Rihanna was in the comments, being like, I haven't not. I haven't received my invitation to Bose's wedding. Wedding, she said.

[Amanda Francis]

Are they friends? Do they know each other?

[Eddie]

I don't know. It's just the invitation got lost in the mail. It wasn't, like, a big thing.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Amanda Francis]

Or she says it got lost. Yeah. Rihanna can come. Absolutely, yes. Rihanna. I'll get you a save the date. Please get me your address. I would love to have you there.

[Nick Viall]

How do you feel about the helicopter?

[Amanda Francis]

Are you fine with the helicopter? I haven't really decided. We've just circled back.

[Eddie]

Honestly. I mean, I'll tell them what I told you when you first thought of it.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

This is ridiculous.

[Amanda Francis]

You want to come in on a

[Eddie]

horse course only because you wanted to come out on a helicopter? It wasn't the helicopter, to be clear.

[Nick Viall]

What about your hair?

[Eddie]

She's. Exactly.

[Amanda Francis]

Yeah.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

It's like, so windy.

[Eddie]

The place where we're at and we. I can't divulge because I'm like, big on the. The venue is so beautiful. I want it to be a secret from everybody until they pull up. She can't fly in on a helicopter. We're getting ready at the venue. So the helicopter is going to come in.

[Amanda Francis]

Everybody's going to helicopter me to town and they're going to helicopter me in.

[Nick Viall]

It seems so much.

[Eddie]

It's just much. And so when she said that, I was like, then I want a giant white horse and I want to come in on a horse. And she was like, okay.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, well, it's your day. Do whatever you want.

[Amanda Francis]

I really haven't decided. There's a lot. There's a lot to be done with wedding planning and I'm honestly very behind. I don't even have my dress.

[Nick Viall]

But we know a great.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

We know a great wedding dress designer.

[Amanda Francis]

Really?

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

She did. Lana Del Rey.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

C I N Q. Yep.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay, I'm open. Okay.

[Nick Viall]

All the things I'm supposed to say before to. To end us out. Can you raise our audience's vibe in 30 seconds?

[Amanda Francis]

Can I raise the vibe?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Where's my camera? Camera. Okay, what's our topic?

[Eddie]

Just like, hot ones. This is your.

[Amanda Francis]

Are we doing a. Say it with me. Like we want them to repeat.

[Nick Viall]

I.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

It's your show. It's your moment.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay, great.

[Vanessa Grimaldi]

Wait, this is the Francis files.

[Amanda Francis]

I bet I can raise your vibe in 30 seconds. Let's go. You are good enough. You are amazing. You are here to do big things on the planet. It doesn't matter what anyone says about you. It doesn't matter what they think. It doesn't matter what stories you've been told. It doesn't matter what your mom or your brother, your pastor. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Like, you are the authority on your life and you can do great things. You can do great things, but you have to believe in yourself and you have to show up every day like who you are and what you do and what you're here to give matter. So show up, do your thing, live your life, make a fuck ton of money, have the best time and middle fingers to the haters. I love you.

[Nick Viall]

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