E1147 - Dr. Terry Dubrow Talks Clavicular, AI & GLP-1s PLUS Casa Amor

Summary

The Viall Files: Dr. Terry Dubrow Talks Clavicular, AI & GLP-1s PLUS Casa Amor

Episode 1147 · June 24, 2026
Host: Nick Viall (Nick), featuring Natalie Joy and the Household
Guest: Dr. Terry Dubrow (plastic surgeon, TV personality)
Main Topics: Love Island Casa Amor Recap, Modern Medicine—GLP-1s, AI, Plastic Surgery, Longevity, Financial Advice

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Episode Overview

This episode balances reality TV dissection—specifically a detailed, hilarious House recap of Love Island’s Casa Amor night—with an in-depth, engaging conversation with renowned plastic surgeon Dr. Terry Dubrow. The panel first shares observations and feedback from a live Love Island screening, then Dr. Dubrow joins to demystify GLP-1 weight-loss drugs, the future of AI in medicine, the latest in plastic surgery, and solid life and financial advice. The episode is energetic, candid, and full of both hot takes and expert insights.

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Key Sections & Timestamps

• [01:15] – Introduction: Love Island recap & tonight's themes
• [02:30] – Love Island Casa Amor: Audience reactions & cast hot takes
• [27:45] – Dr. Terry Dubrow joins: Introductions and relationship stories
• [29:20] – Plastic Surgery Q&A: Mommy makeovers, breast augmentation techniques, new implants
• [33:05] – GLP-1 Drugs: Myths, benefits, and latest science
• [40:44] – Longevity & AI in Medicine: Escape velocity & practical advice
• [45:22] – Peptides, Creatine, SARMs: What works, what’s hype, what’s dangerous
• [55:33] – AI in Medicine: Where it’s already changing practice
• [59:21] – Plastic Surgery Trends: Botched surgeries, facelifts, deep plane myths
• [71:14] – Financial & Life Advice: College savings, investments, healthy aging habits

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Love Island Casa Amor Night Recap

[02:30–27:45]

Community Event & Audience Energy

• The hosts attended a theater screening—a “girly pop” night, which highlighted the importance of female friendships. The atmosphere was lively, interactive, and communal.
  • "It honest made me realize how many girly pops just want girl time." (D, 04:00)

Contestant Hot Takes

• Anaya: Universally beloved; fans want her to find someone better than Casey.
• Kenzie: Divisive, described as attention-seeking; her party tricks (the splits) spark debate.
  • "She's funny AF... but you just have to take her at face value." (D, 06:44)
• Zach & Bryce: Zach’s adolescent energy (Spider-Man pillows, One Direction hero) comes under scrutiny; Bryce gets a “sad boy edit”—audience both roots for him and questions the lack of “swag”/sex appeal but appreciates his kindness.
• Carl: The new "Casa guy," impresses by teaching Chinese, exudes reassuring maturity unlike others.
• The panel discusses the visible gap between performative sexuality (for camera and challenges) vs. real-life vulnerability and emotional connection, especially among Gen Z reality TV stars.
  • "On Love Island, it's so much the performance of sexuality versus actual relationships." (C, 20:16)

Societal & Psychological Insights

• Stanford Prison Experiment analogy: Nick draws parallels between quickly-adopted group norms on reality TV and psychological experiments in controlled environments.
  • "You just decide that's okay...It's fascinating just how quickly we can change the rules in our head..." (Nick, 22:44)

Notable Quotes

• "If you can do the splits, you're just looking for an excuse." (D, 08:03)
• "Is that something you find attractive, or is that giving you the ick?" (Nick, 13:33)

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Interview with Dr. Terry Dubrow

[27:45–end]

Plastic Surgery Myths & Trends

[29:20–33:00]

• "Mommy Makeovers":
  • Don’t undergo surgery if you plan to have a child in the next 2 years; pregnancy will undo results.
  • "If you're thinking of having a kid in the next two years, don't do it." (Dubrow, 29:25)
• Transaxillary (armpit) & belly button breast augmentations: Rare, less favored due to procedural and aesthetic challenges.
• Motiva Implants: Newly FDA-approved, less than 1% risk of hardening—revolutionizing breast augmentation.
  • "Your audience should only get Motiva." (Dubrow, 32:44)

GLP-1 Drugs: Fact vs. Fiction

[33:05–40:44]

• Benefits:
  • Not “cheating”—effective for weight loss, reduces inflammation, helps with addiction, can slow tumor growth.
  • Proven safety: Used for diabetes for over 15 years.
  • Next-gen triple agonist ("Retatrutide"/"Reta") will combine appetite suppression, fat burning, and muscle retention.
    • "It's going to be the first trillion dollar drug." (Dubrow, 37:35)
• Misconceptions:
  • Not too new, not full of unknowns—drugs are well-tested.
  • Main side-effect: Loss of muscle mass; hence, muscle-building/sparing drugs are next innovation.
• Critique of Diet Gurus:
  • Public feud with Jillian Michaels over dismissing GLP-1s in favor of diet/exercise alone.
    • "If you're going to get your medical advice from a personal trainer, I think you're making a mistake." (Dubrow, 38:49)

Longevity & AI

[40:44–55:33]

• Longevity Escape Velocity:
  • "For every year you're alive, you get another year" as AI and new biotech outpace aging.
  • Millennials and Gen Z are likely to reach 100+ thanks to new drugs and interventions (peptides, resistance training).
  • "You guys are all going to live to be over 100. There's no question about it." (Dubrow, 41:06)
• Best Longevity Habits:
  • Lift weights regularly for muscle mass (number one predictor of healthy aging).
  • Creatine is highly recommended (“mega dose”—at least 15g for most).
    • "It's the most tested supplement there is... Everybody should [take creatine], especially women." (Dubrow, 45:05)

Peptides, Supplements, and Risks

• Peptides:
  • Most are illegal, untested, and potentially contaminated when bought on black market—wait for FDA/legal approval.
  • "The problem is nobody knows how to take them...We don't prescribe them because it's illegal." (Dubrow, 44:20)
• Creatine: Widely recommended for both muscle and brain health.

AI in Healthcare

[55:29–59:19]

• AI already outperforms human radiologists in reading X-rays, MRIs, and diagnostics.
• "AI was like 83% better at making a diagnosis than we physicians..." (Dubrow, 56:21)
• Robots can draw blood more efficiently; full surgical automation is still years away, but coming.

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Plastic Surgery Trends & Cautions

[59:21–70:29]

• Facelifts:
  • Deep plane facelifts are not demonstrably better than standard techniques—don’t fall for the hype.
  • "There's no magic to the deep plane facelift. There really isn't." (Dubrow, 67:53)
• Filler Fatigue: Overfilled “pillow face” look is going out of fashion; fillers, especially under the eyes, are often regretted.
• First Signs of Aging: Eyes age first, neck comes next.
  • "People age in their eyes before the neck..." (Dubrow, 68:00)
• Future of Anti-Aging: DNA-editing drugs that restore youthful processes are a few years away ("certainly five").

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Personal and Financial Wisdom

[71:14–end]

• College Savings:
  • Open a state 529 ("scholarshare") savings plan early for each child; relatives can contribute. Major tax and investment benefits.
• Investing:
  • “Buy the geniuses”—continuous investment in innovative companies (e.g., Apple since the iPhone).
    • "Invest in the brilliant people. Just keep buying those stocks forevermore. That's my best [advice]." (Dubrow, 74:04)
• Lift Weights & Take Creatine:
  • Men and women equally benefit, especially for healthy aging and bone retention.

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Notable Quotes

• "If you're thinking of having a kid in the next two years, don't do it [plastic surgery]." —Dr. Terry Dubrow (29:25)
• "GLP-1 drugs are not cheating... they're the most important solve for the number one cause of death in this country." —Dubrow (33:56)
• "For every year you're alive, you get to have another year. You guys are going to live to be over 100." —Dubrow (41:06)
• "On Love Island, it's so much the performance of sexuality versus actual relationships." —C (20:16)
• "Drink creatine. Women need muscle more than we do." —Dubrow (45:24)
• "Don't go on TikTok and listen to Dr. Mike or Dr. James...go to an MD who's into longevity." —Dubrow (51:45)
• "Invest in the brilliant people. Just keep buying those stocks forevermore." —Dubrow (74:04)

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Memorable Moments

• Natalie realizes she has to cancel pre-booked cosmetic procedures upon Dubrow’s parenting advice ([30:31])
• Dr. Dubrow describes a nightmarish off-camera NAD incident at a Housewife’s party (“two people went to the emergency room”—[51:07])
• Candidly, Dr. Dubrow admits he doesn’t watch Housewives for self-preservation: "I stopped watching it to protect myself...I show up to a party...they're pissed, I have no idea why." ([70:51])
• Animated banter about Love Island “splits” and party tricks—setting the lighthearted, irreverent tone.

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Final Takeaways

• For Reality TV Fans: Insightful group analysis and fun audience observations provide context for Love Island’s current drama—and criticism of Gen Z’s shift toward performative sexuality.
• For Health & Wellness Seekers: GLP-1s, AI, and next-gen peptides are real game changers, but trust only well-qualified specialists for information and application, not online influencers.
• For Aging Well: Lift weights, consider creatine, and keep muscle mass up—“escape velocity” for longevity may arrive within your lifetime.
• For Savvy Planners: Open a 529 for your kids and “buy the geniuses” (invest in innovation) for financial success.
• Cultural Crossroads: The episode is a rare intersection of reality TV, practical health advice, and future technology—all with the Viall Files’ signature humor and accessibility.

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Listeners were left with encouragement to do their own research, consult true medical experts, and, crucially, not to get medical advice from TikTok or personal trainers.

Transcript

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[B]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to a special episode of the Vile Files. Is it. I don't. Is it Rally recap edition. Is it like the more, you know, edition? Ooh.

[A]

It's interesting, fun, Love island, chit chat, but also everything you've ever wanted to know about GLP1. Titty makeovers. Yeah, titty.

[C]

It's a girls app.

[D]

It's a girl for the girl with

[C]

the guest who is a man. But.

[A]

But for the girls.

[C]

For the girls.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, on the men also interested in GLP1s and the future of AI in modern medicine.

[C]

Yeah, that's actually.

[B]

What. What. What is the thing he was calling it? The phenomenon of, like, aging more gracefully.

[E]

Longevity.

[B]

Longevity.

[C]

Longevity, yeah. For the girls and the guys who, like, get it, you know.

[B]

Well, we do have the world renowned plastic surgeon, Dr. Terry Debrow is with us, who I like to think we're friends. I think he's very cool.

[D]

He seems like he's friends with you guys. I was like, can I get in on this? Can I come to dinner next time?

[B]

I want, like, the Dr. Terry Debro to be, like, my mentor.

[D]

You should just ask him to be.

[B]

I think I'm going to wait.

[D]

I love that.

[B]

I think we're going to dinner. I want. I want to go out to dinner.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, without the wives.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

I want to have, like, a locker room talk with Dr. Terry Debra.

[A]

For sure. And I'll go With Heather and we can talk like diamonds. Stuff that Heather likes to talk about.

[D]

Love that I was going to say, though, after yesterday's episode, locker Room talk. What does that entail for you?

[F]

Yeah, well, I don't know.

[B]

I'll have to ask Terry, you know, mentor, you know.

[D]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Well, you know, there's so much conversation in the world these days about GLP1s. I honestly don't know much about them. I think with a lot of modern medicine kind of of crazes, there's always a lot of skepticism. Is it safe when things kind of come out fast? You know, there's always a lot of discourse online, conspiracy theories, misinformation, yada, yada, yada. We've always been fascinated with plastic surgery also, like, AI is very scary stuff potentially, but also maybe super beneficial. Like, how will AI play a role in, like, our ability to age more gracefully? You know, what. What's the future of modern medicine? And Dr. Dubrow is someone who pays a lot of attention to stuff. And he also just looks like a highly successful man, which I find to be fascinating. He was very. Also just entertaining. So he graced us with his presence and had a fun conversation about all this stuff. I think you will all find it incredibly interesting. Before we get back to bro, we did have an episode of Love island last night. It was Casa Night Susie and some members of the household, actually in Los Angeles, the greater Los Angeles area. The theaters opened up, it was kind of lit. Well, it was fun.

[D]

It was fun. It honest made me realize how many girly pops just like, want girl time. Like, one girl we met, she was.

[B]

It was girls night. It wasn't like, for the boys.

[D]

There were a couple of boys there,

[B]

but, like, single boys with other boys or were they girl men coming with their ladies?

[D]

It was either men with their ladies or the girls and the gays. You know what I mean?

[F]

Okay.

[D]

And it was. It was really sweet.

[B]

Like, it wasn't a lot of Ze and Bryces and like, boy band stuff.

[D]

No, not. Not so much that.

[F]

Okay.

[D]

But it was just like. It was sweet, you guys. Like, it makes you realize how important female friendships are.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, one girl was like, oh, I like, got off work and I live pretty close to here, so I went home and like, changed into my sweats and like, I just want to be with people and. And watch it with other people and. And it was funny. Like, the girl beside me wasn't with us, but I would, like, look over at her and we would, like, talk our shit, you know? And I'm like, oh, I'm so annoyed. And she's like, no, I can't stand this. And I'm like, oh, like, this is so nice.

[B]

You love that.

[A]

Especially because normally when you're watching a movie in the movie theater, it's like, no talk, no one on your phone, no icon, no eye contact. Yeah, do not look at me. But this, it feels like it was very much like, let's all chit chat.

[D]

Yeah. Everyone was like, there's videos we took. And, like, people are, like, doing this kind of thing with their hand, like, fist pumping in the air. And it was. Yeah, it was really cute.

[B]

We love a community. That's why we do this.

[A]

I. When the episode finished, though, I will say I was kind of like, that feels like a weird episode to have put in theaters.

[D]

One girl literally was like, wait, is there more? Like, is this an intermission? And she was waiting outside, like, are we going back in? She was like, I thought it was

[A]

like, is there more from the feedback

[B]

you heard of not. Not necessarily critiquing the episode? Because it was. I mean, listen, there's 30 some episodes and all gonna be home runs. But we. We felt like there was a lot of expectations. This was a night where the theaters did open up. It was, it was. It was constant night. So we will obviously talk about the episode itself, but I am curious in terms of just like, hanging out with all these people who were there to obviously spend time with their friends, but to obviously, you know, the water cooler talk and to compare notes, what were some of the biggest, like, takeaways or themes or sentiments that you heard from the audience about how they feel about the show? Like, individuals, couples, things like that.

[D]

I think I would say almost everybody is kind of vibing the same way we are. Everyone wants Anaya to find somebody. Like, everybody. When we were like, who do you want to see? Explore. Anaya. Anaya. Anaya. She needs to ditch kc. She needs to go out and. And find somebody. Like, I feel like the message has been similar. There were a couple zingers in there. Like, some people just really don't like certain contestants. Like, some people really don't like Kenzie.

[F]

And I've seen that online too, and

[D]

I. I kind of.

[B]

She's a big personality.

[D]

She's a big personality. I get that she may, like, rub people the wrong way, but I also. I was saying to somebody last night, I was like, you kind of just have to, like, take her at face value. Like, she's funny, af, like, she's gonna Jump into the splits.

[A]

You have to expect the splits from her.

[D]

Expect.

[A]

You can't be like, oh, my God, she's splitting again. It's like, here goes the splits.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

She's pretty transparent. She's like, listen, if you want a happy Kens, I just need to do the splits. I need to dance.

[D]

It's literally, I need attention.

[B]

She's like, I got to dance, and I got to show my off. And, like, I'm happy now. Okay.

[C]

Richard's Kenzie, last name from Love Island. Two queens who can do the splits. And I think it's really important to have them on tv.

[E]

Do you think Kenzie actually did that, though? I was talking before the villa, because I was talking to someone. I was like, this has to be a bit. That she decided going into the villa that I'm gonna just do as many splits as I can, because I've never seen that in real life.

[A]

No. Chambliss did a split at our wedding reception, and she's like. Like, I feel like the people who can do splits, they show it off.

[B]

Like, have you ever had any. Do you have the ability to do any party trick? I don't, and I would love one. Like. Like, I like, my whole life growing up, it was like I could wish

[D]

I could do a backflip or the worm or something.

[A]

I feel like the worm is. I was just about it'.

[B]

But if you can do it, you're looking for a reason. You're like. It's that Ross Geller where they're like, you should play. You're like, no, no, no. Okay. You know, like, you want.

[D]

You want to be playing like that, Because I can do it.

[C]

But did someone mention the worm? Did someone ask if someone could do the worm?

[D]

Can you do the worm?

[C]

I was just saying that's what I would do if I could do the worm.

[D]

Oh. I was like, are you about to do the worm?

[A]

No, I was gonna leave.

[D]

I was gonna lock in.

[B]

And the splits is. You know, clearly no one else can do the splits because there's no one else in the villa being like, yeah, actually, Ken's.

[F]

I can do that, too.

[D]

Oh, my God. Imagine if Kada one day is just like, watch, by the way. By the way.

[C]

That would be awesome.

[D]

Or the guys.

[B]

So outside of Kenzie, who else is rubbing people the wrong way?

[A]

Zach.

[D]

Yeah. Zach was a heavy hitter. People are a little annoying with Zach Casey, obviously. People are just like, same thing we're saying. Everyone's like, it's okay to be open. We want you to Be open. But you've been shady about it. Sincere people. I feel like people are, like, annoyed with him. And it's. It's really just.

[B]

Is there any guy that Bryce.

[D]

People love Bryce.

[B]

People love Bryce.

[D]

People love Bryce.

[A]

Don't.

[B]

Even after this episode.

[D]

Even more.

[A]

Really? Well, I guess because, yeah, they gave

[D]

him a good little edit there.

[B]

Sad boy at it.

[D]

Sad boy edit. But he was a huge. Like, I was. I was really shocked. I was really like, oh, everyone wants Bryce and Trinity to work out. And I was like, just feel like

[A]

there's not anyone there.

[B]

Who is the new guy Trinity is making out with at the end of the episode.

[D]

I don't know any of the casa's

[C]

names yet, but the new guy that

[B]

Trinity was making out with, their vibe with each other just seems way more. Way more chemistry between the two, you know, and he has, like, this is a Corey, a man whose, like, passions are fashion. Yet despite that, he still gives. Like. And I'm curious. I was. Before you came in, I was like, I'm curious what you and Natalie think. But, like, I. The more we're learning about Bryce and Zach, this obviously bromance, and there's been a lot of discourse online about, like, is there more to it? And yada, yada, yada. And we obviously talked about that yesterday where it's just like, I think more adolescent boy behavior despite Bryce being 29. But then, like, I remind. I was reminded that, like, Zach is, like, literally was like, my hero is Zayn from One Direction, which I like Zane, but, like, hero, boy band hero. And then find out last night that, like, watching Spider man did it for him is. Yeah. And it's just more like, again, this is very. It's that, like, paints a picture of, like, again, adolescent boy energy. And I'm just curious for the ladies, is that something that you find? I mean, I like Spider man as much as the next guy, but there's a softness to Bryce and Zach. And even, like, where Zach is, he's certainly willing to open his mouth, but he is a bit whiny. He's always kind of like, centering his insecurities. Anytime Keda's, like, doing anything where Kada is just not, like, she's not like that. She is. You know, she gives off this confident energy. Same thing with, like, Trinity.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just feel like. I don't know, like, I just. I look at Trinity and Corey and I feel like that just like Trinity and Bryce, they both seem like really nice people. I don't know. And like, I Don't know. Bryce has no.

[D]

Are you talking about, like, a little bit of swag?

[B]

Little swag? Yeah. A little, like, you know, I know you're going to be respectful, but. What? What? What? I don't know.

[D]

Yeah, I don't need. I don't need swag. Like, when a guy has it, I'm like, oh, that's nice. If he's got everything else going on. Like, if he's got all the character values of somebody that I want to be with, and then he's, like, got a little. Like, a little bit of that or a lot of that. I'm, like, amazing. I can do without it. But everything else has to be there, you know? Like, I can. As long as he's a good person. He's funny. Like, we have to have chemistry. I don't need you to be, like, cool. But, I mean, I do think. I do think Bryce is cool. He just says he doesn't have, like. Is it sex appeal maybe?

[B]

When Caleb, the night before, as Natalie pointed out, came out and was like, spread your legs, ladies.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Caleb is a guy who, for, from what we've seen so far, seems like a gentleman. He's got the sweet demeanor.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

He seems really kind, but in that moment, he kind of gave the. Oh, he might fudge.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Like, yeah.

[A]

Like, when he tied her hands up and. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And Bryce and Zach don't kind of give the fuck, you know, Like. But that's not for me to say, you know? And I'm just curious if the ladies in the room have.

[C]

No. I know a lot of girls that, like, love a nerdy boy. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It's even the nerdy boys.

[A]

It's not even nerdy, though.

[C]

It's like. Yeah, sorry. I mean, a sensitive. Like, I'm friends. Like, I'm friends with a lot of those guys, and I know they're girlfriends, and so. And I think they just, like, want to feel, like, safe and taken care of and that.

[A]

Like, listen, I think there is a big difference between Carl, our new casa guy, and Casey and Bryce.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Carl is like the nerdy, sensitive, sweet. The one who taught her Chinese.

[B]

Oh, my God, what a great conversation.

[A]

Obsessed.

[C]

And I deserve. And it was like, what.

[D]

What we've been waiting for.

[C]

Yeah. And I think, honestly, Nick, to your point, the Bryce and Zach thing is more relevant to me a little bit with, like, Casey and Anaya, because I'm like. I think Bryce and Zach both. Zach specifically, I. To me, is like, Very. He seems immature, and he seems like a.

[A]

He's a very whiny.

[B]

Like, I'm expecting to go. If he were to show me his bedroom, like, I would believe. If he. I would believe if he still lived with his parents. And I would believe there's, like, a Spider man pillow race car bed and a One Direction poster. No, no, no.

[D]

That's giving me the ick.

[B]

Even more like a. A guy in his mid to late 20s. I like. Again, I'll listen. I love. Love Madonna and Britney Spears. Like, I will jam to that. To the point where he does give my wife the ick. But, like, it is not something that I'll be like, you're not going to lead with that? I'm not going to lead with that.

[D]

On personality. Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or my hero. But I think it's like, it's. It's a literal guilty pleasure.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think with someone like Casey. Casey is gonna, like, pretend he's not that guy, but then kind of is. You know what I mean?

[A]

A little.

[C]

Like, he has that.

[D]

That he's aware of it.

[C]

He's aware of it a little bit, and he's, like, goofy and whatever, but still a bit immature. And then you have Carl, who obviously, we've only gotten, like, 30 seconds of screen time from him. Not very much, but he seems to just be, like, calm, sure of himself and wanting to, like, kind of take care of Anaya. And I think none of those boys over on. Boys over trying to get with these casa girls are looking to take care of the way.

[B]

The way the men in this episode were talking about, like, their gripes and complaints about the women in the villa is if they didn't just, like, get out of the strip club. That was like. It was like, what do you. Corbin, do you not remember saying, I'm gonna leave this island with someone else? What are you doing? Pointing out Kenzie's red flags. Like, it just makes no sense in the way these guys.

[A]

Yeah, I actually had a few red flags I was gonna bring up to her before. Right. I came to casa, like, and what were they? Yeah, let's hear them.

[D]

Let's hear them. Oh, her sp.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure maybe he's got some, like, questions, but they were just like, clearly, they act as if, like, that what the women got to watch and what they were doing with the. With the bombshells is, I guess, like a freebie or it doesn't count or.

[D]

Because it's a challenge.

[C]

Well, yeah.

[A]

Him being like, are y' all gonna kiss outside the challenge. And they're all like, well, I feel like you have to. To just, like, see if it's there.

[D]

You've got to try it out.

[A]

And then you have sincere in the morning. Then be like, sincere. Did you kiss? And he's like, yeah, I had to. I had to.

[C]

You had to. God, I hate it when I just have to make out.

[A]

Meanwhile, Melanie's, like, sitting on the yellow couch. I miss my man.

[D]

I miss my man. Everyone booed in the audience at that part.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Literally.

[B]

She said, I miss my man.

[D]

When the girls were like, I miss my man. We all were like, boo, tomatoes.

[C]

Can I ask you a question about what somebody reacted to at the screening when Titi, after she was making out with Casey, came back in and was like, my man, my man, my man. What was the reaction there? I.

[D]

It was icky, silent, you know, like, no, we weren't really. It wasn't booze.

[C]

Okay. Because we don't know Titi well enough.

[A]

Yeah. And are we also, like, not happy that Casey's, like, giving.

[B]

I was a little disappointed in Anaya the other night. She's just, like, talking her big game, you know? She's like, you can do that. I'm gonna do this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[D]

And keep that energy.

[B]

Where did the energy go? Then one. One night of, like. And Casey is, at this point, embarrassing Anaya. I'm sorry. You know, and she deserves better, but, like, she's got. She's gotta follow through. This man was begging for women that he wanted to make out with, and he got that. This is a man who's been horned up for weeks and talking about his feelings with Anaya while regretting not making a move on Sol. And this is the result of that. And it's like, at this point. Yo. It's just, like, he should know at this point, if Anaya is someone he wants to invest in. It's clearly not. And then you see the women he's interested in who, like, they, like. Anaya's energy is different than these bombshells. And if he's into these bombshells, like, he doesn't. I don't. You know? Like. And I do feel like this is a. Carl.

[D]

Carl. Yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, Anaya is like. She's a serious person, you know? And I mean that in such a compliment, you know, she. She knows what she wants. She's.

[F]

And.

[B]

And. And Carl is like, yeah, he. He. There's a sense of maturity and, like, you know, essence of, like, Carl doesn't need to just say something to. Because he knows it sounds good and it's gonna like, that's. Casey has been like doing that.

[C]

Yeah. Casey is like saying the things he's supposed to say. I think Carl is just speaking from like his genuine self.

[B]

But you need, you need. At this point, Anaya needs to like, follow through on how she wants to like, carry herself and have that self respect that she says she has for herself and she needs to show it. She needs to like, move on like a day later. And you're commiserating with Melanie about how you miss your men after watching them. And Melanie saw the lip licking of sincere. It's just like, I don't know, like, yeah, she was like, I hope he's just having fun. I mean, I'm sure he was. But like, that was a kind of like, like, yuck.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I would be mortified. And I've done some mortifying things on tv if, if, if, if I had this like, licking of my lips on tv. Like, I don't wanna, I don't want you to see my like, o face.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, I'm actually just so, so shocked at how open people are. Like, I, I really think it's, it's so jarring. Like, I know I said this yesterday, but I'm like, it's almost. It's like giving porn. Like, it's really just. It's so crap.

[C]

And it's really. It's funny because it's like Gen Z is this whole. And I've been seeing a lot of stuff about Love island and like the couple's island thing and like people theorizing because, like, as Gen Z goes on reality tv, there's like, you're afraid of sex. Right. All that to say that I find it very interesting on Love island that like, it is so much the performance of sexuality versus like actual romantic and intimate relationships. And so it's like, like they're unable. And I do think it's like, as we get younger in reality tv, it's like you're having people that know how to like, perform sexuality and this over sexualized, hypersexualized version of yourself. But it's like when it comes to just actually like having relationship, you guys

[B]

are all TikTok stars. You know how to like, give us the.

[C]

Yeah. And that's why like, Love island to me seems like the most terrifying thing in the world because it's like that. It's like two things that are scary. One, performing sexual love of yourself.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And two, like, actually, if you want to be good on the show, authentically being vulnerable with another person on tv, which is like. And I think that's the thing that it's like people are choosing the hypersexuality on Love island versus the scarier thing, which is being vulnerable with someone on tv.

[A]

That is my take.

[D]

Such an interesting take about the performing of sexuality, because this happened last season, I think. Or maybe it was the one before where we were pointing out people were in these challenges, literally, like, doing. It looked like sex, and then they would go to bed at night and they'd be like, okay, but, like, we. We did this, and, like. Or like, this happened. They talk about, like, really, like, way less sexual things, like making out. Like, making out outside of a challenge was a huge deal, but it's like, meanwhile, you're grinding on somebody, like, fully almost having.

[A]

You're 69.

[D]

You're 69 in somebody, and. And then they leave, and then they're freaking out over, like, making out. And I'm like, well, a lot of

[B]

people have compared this show, like, people compared the Bachelor to, like, the Stanford Prison Experiment. Are you guys familiar with Stanford Experiment?

[C]

Yes, I am.

[B]

It's a very famous experiment where a Stanford professor basically got a group of students and made half the students prisoners and half the students guards. Guards.

[D]

Oh, I think.

[B]

And then it created this kind of atmosphere and just kind of watched what they did, and, like, the. They. They. They leaned into their roles. So basically, the prisoner. The guards really became very authoritative and, like, almost abusive. And, like, the prisoners, like, lost the sense of agency and really became more, like, compliant and things like that, all because of the. This very controlled environment that they were in. So, like, it didn't take. And it took very. It looked like took like, two days or something. Crazy stats about, like, when you really control an environment and you change circumstances to change circumstances, people really buy into that universe very quickly. So it just goes to show, on Love island, everything you guys talking about is very much like that in the Bachelor, right? Very quickly, you're just okay with your friend pulling the person you're claiming to be falling in love with, and you're okay with that person spending three individual nights. If you're in the final three, potentially hooking up, and you're just like, oh, you just. You just decide that's okay. And it's fascinating just how quickly we can just change the rules in our head by the environments that we're in.

[D]

Oh, it's crazy.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Yeah, go ahead.

[E]

Wait.

[C]

Oh, my God. Before. Before we get to the guests did you guys see the One of the 12 bombshells that apparently got fried by his ex girlfriend of three years for going on the show?

[B]

I want to hear about that. But first, I want just. I thought the 12 bombshells was a. Was a giant bomb. Yeah, it felt flat. It was way too much B roll. Like, all those scenes where you're seeing them, like, dancing at a party. That is B roll. That is them being like. That is the director coming and being like, now, all right, dance. And they. And. And so most of what we saw was, like, fake hanging out.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And it just felt a little flat. We didn't see even the jumping in the pool.

[D]

I'm like, that was so. It was very choreographed, where I'm like, sure, they got to spend time together

[B]

on a challenge or something. Then you think about how they actually had to go about making that. So, like, you're spending no time getting to know each other. They' doing B roll.

[A]

And then it looked like Ariana came in at, I don't know, 7pm and was like, all right, time to pick your picks.

[D]

Who's it gonna be? Right. Yeah, that was. That was disappointing. And I. I honestly think if they were going to do a Casa More Night in the theater, they should have done it the night before because they. We were hyped after that first Casa More Night. And then that did fall a little short. I feel like everyone was kind of like, damn, why bring all these people in if you're just gonna send half of them home?

[B]

What happened with one of the guys who got sent home?

[C]

Bas? I saw TikTok that this guy had this girlfriend of three years and told her that he was going to Miami or somewhere to make money. And so he leaves. And then she sees him on. As a bombshell on Love island, and so she's like, what the fudge? And then come to find out after watching the episode last night, like, she has pictures with him in a baseball game, like, days before he left. Like, it's like, crazy.

[A]

I feel like if you've been dating for three years and he's like, hey, I'm gonna go to Miami to make some money. Like, red flag, question mark, Question mark, question mark.

[B]

Like, hot take. Honestly, like, I don't. The only mistake he made was lying.

[D]

I agree.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He should have just told her, I'm going on Love Island.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, like, if. If. If your partner wants to leave, like, first of all, again, this is an incredible opportunity. It's a lot. This is a perfect example what I tell people when they're like, you know, when they go on reality tv, they're asking for advice. I'm like, listen, this is no guarantees, but this is a. This is a lottery ticket with amazing odds, because most lottery, it's like 1 in mil or 1 in 300 mil or whatever, but, like, this is like 1 in 40, and you might really be able to cash out, or you might be the guy who shows up for 12 seconds and nothing happens, but,

[D]

like, and gets ripped online by.

[B]

That's worth saying yes to. And you better. If you're in a relationship and you get that opportunity and you're going to say no for the relationship that is your person, you better marry them. You know what I'm saying? Like, and if not, like, if you've been having problems, like. Like, you know, just. He should have just been honest. But, like, clearly that guy was looking for a way out, you know, and he shouldn't go back together with her, and she should. She shouldn't take him back.

[C]

Yeah, well, I mean, maybe if he had made it a little farther in the villa, sure, maybe she could take him back. But, like, no, but the fact that she didn't even speak, that was a favorite.

[B]

Like, the universe gave her an answer.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, ew.

[C]

If she was asking for a snippet

[D]

and you got sent home, she got it. At least be good.

[E]

Nick. I have a hotter take than yours. I think if that really is your true love and you get the offer to go on Love island, on the flip side, you better let them go. No, because that. That is your cash cow. If they blow up, that is your inheritance.

[B]

If they blow up, they are in

[A]

a relationship with someone else.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

That's how you blow up. They could do it for a year and then come back and have the brand deals, you know?

[B]

No, that's not. That's.

[C]

That's crazy, because then they're lying.

[E]

No, but if you're in.

[B]

That's a business arrangement.

[D]

Yeah, that is a business.

[C]

You know what? Yeah.

[E]

But if you're in on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I like when Love island lies about the couples.

[B]

Well, but first of all, that's. Janae, that's not. That was. Oh, Kenny.

[C]

Specifically.

[B]

I'm just saying, you made it imply that they're. That we're in cahoots.

[E]

Yeah, they were together.

[D]

No.

[C]

Yeah, apologies.

[B]

Kenny screwed her over.

[C]

Let's pick that up. Kenny,

[E]

that's not a pickup. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

All right, well, we'll obviously get more Love island, and we'll continue to talk about Tomorrow, Gabe or Gabriel from Love island to talk about his experience. Obviously, him and Soul have a lot to say. I am sure he has even more to say now after watching some of these episodes unfold. And we have the pleasure of having Gabe on our show tomorrow. But right now, it's Dr. Terry Debrow talking about all things modern medicine, all your burning questions about the topics that we are most confused about. And he is up next. But before we get to Terry, don't forget that Valfas plus is available ad free and full of great content. So go to valfiles.com to sign up.

[C]

Up.

[B]

How old were you when you had your first?

[F]

44. Yeah, something like that.

[B]

Love that. How. What's the age difference between you and Heather?

[F]

Ten.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

Ten years. She would say ten and a half. Okay. She would emphasize that extra half year.

[B]

Well, Dr. Terry Dero, thanks for coming.

[F]

Thanks for having me. I'm very excited to see you guys.

[B]

We're very excited. We had the pleasure of having dinner with Terry and Heather a few months ago. And I was telling Natalie how I think he's just the coolest and how I'm such a fan. Obviously, just you haven't been on before and you're just obviously a legend in the reality TV space, which we like to cover. But there's so many things out there in medicine these days.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

And you were kind of talking a little bit about them when we were having dinner. Things like GLP1s, how AI is being incorporated into healthcare, how doctors are using it. I think there's just a lot of fear and unknown about these things our GLP1 say. You know, they all, you know, we live in a conspiracy era kind of world, but sometimes, you know, sometimes it is good to ask these questions and challenge authority and. And things like that. So. Anyways, thought it'd be fun to bring you here.

[F]

I'm excited to talk to you guys. I. I met you a long time ago. You don't remember the first time I met you.

[B]

I think I might.

[F]

Hollywood, like.

[B]

Yes. Yes. And we were like sitting in the waiting room and it was like you and Heather and I, like, knew who you guys were. And I was like, I'm always awkward in those moments and I don't really say hi.

[F]

No, you said I was nice. It's great to see that.

[A]

Well, I obviously being pregnant with twins and like, ready for my mommy makeover after. So I have so many of just like plastic surgery questions.

[F]

Right. But you're not gonna do it till you're done Done right. No mommy makeovers to your complete.

[D]

See, like, no.

[A]

Like, not even. Not even a boob job.

[F]

Well, the general rule I tell people is if you're thinking of having a kid in the next two years, don't do it. Don't do it, because it's just gonna change everything.

[A]

I heard rumor or not that, like, if you get a breast augmentation and then have one more kid, it kind of, like, softens them a little and makes them look a little bit more natural.

[D]

I just saw a girl who. Who had this. I won't name names because she is public. And I was like, never seen anything better in my life because they just. They just sat so natural that I was like, I want that.

[F]

That's pretty rare, I think. Yeah. I think if you go, for example, from a small B to a full C, you've stretched out your skin. Then you get pregnant. Now you're engorged with milk. And this year, now what, a double D? Then you stop breastfeeding or you don't breastfeed, but anyway, it goes back down to a sibo. What happens to the skin now? You need a lift.

[D]

Interesting.

[F]

So now you need removal of skin and scars. It's better to wait if you're going to have kids in the next two years. Don't touch the tummy or the breasts. Don't do anything.

[A]

So are.

[B]

She's processing right now. She's like, oh, my God.

[A]

I'm like, I have so many appointments I have to cancel.

[D]

She's reading some information. I should cancel that one.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So. Okay, another question. Axillary incision. Is that becoming. I feel like I'm starting to see that a lot.

[F]

A transaxillary breast augmentation.

[B]

What does that mean?

[F]

So there are many ways to put it in to insert them. You can do it used to be when it first came out through underneath the breast, the inframammary crease, then we started doing it through the nipple because that's a good place to cosmetically camouflage and hide it because there's a color change. Then someone said, you know, let's put in the armpit. And that was very popular for a short time because generally we like to put them under the muscle. And it's hard to release the muscle down here where the pectoralis muscle. Muscle inserts from that far away. So very commonly, because you can't release them that much, they kind of can sit high, and then if you flex like you're at the gym, they go. And that doesn't look good. So transaxillary is not popular anymore. For a while we were doing them through the belly button. Trans umbilical.

[D]

Yeah, I've never heard of that.

[F]

Make a little incision, but then a few people. This is a little graphic. Put that tube in through the heart.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

And we all went, okay. Probably shouldn't do it that way either.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

So, yeah, no, the most popular way now, I think is through a tiny incision underneath. Yeah, it's small. You can do a precise operation that way. But there's a new implant, by the way.

[A]

I was about to ask.

[F]

You know it?

[D]

I've heard of it and I've heard it's like one of the best options.

[F]

It's awesome. It's called Motiva. The problem with breast augmentation is that they get hard even when you do it perfectly under the muscle. And you don't go too big, don't traumatize tissue too much. The immune system can come by later and go, yeah, I don't like you. And 10 to 15 to 30% of the time it decides no. And he puts scar tissue around it and gets hard and displaces it. So there's a new implant that was available in Europe. Now it's FDA approved called Motiva. Your audience should only get Motiva.

[A]

Wow.

[F]

It has a less. Theoretically a less than 1% chance of getting hard hard.

[D]

And isn't it easier to take out without having like as much scarring if you needed to get it out for some reason it is.

[F]

I mean, you make an incision, it just pops right out.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

So that's the implant to get.

[D]

And is that. Can you. Do you have the option of over under or is that like a completely different place?

[F]

You do. That's a very good point. We used to put them all under because the chance of getting hard under is less. Right. So these have such a low rate of getting hard. You can actually put them on top of top. And we could talk about why to put them on top or under. But I'd much rather talk about GLP1 drugs. So I'm so obsessed with those drugs. Right. I studied for, for a year, took all the courses and took the exam, became board certified by the American Board of Obesity Medicine. So I'm a board certified obesity medicine specialist, even though I don't practice it. I'm just so obsessed with these historic drugs. They're changing everything.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So what are the. Let's start with what are the common misconceptions about GLP1s that through your research and study and education you have found to be completely untrue, that first of

[F]

all, it's not cheating, okay? It's not. It's a really important solve for the number one cause of death in this country, which is obesity. So it's critical to get on them. Beyond that, the number one misconception is that they have all these potential side effects and we don't know what's going to happen five to seven years from now because they're so new. They are not so new. They were used for diabetes for 15, 17 years now. So we know exactly what they do over the long term. We know what the side effects are. What's so fascinating about them that we've learned is that how effective they are for none obesity related conditions for addiction, Alzheimer's, fatty liver disease, kidney disease, and just overall reduction of inflammation. You know, they say sugar's the big thing. You know, back in the 70s and 80s, when I was a medical student in the 80s, it was all about fat. You need to avoid fat. Fat was bad then we rightly discovered it's all about, as you guys know, sugar.

[D]

Sugar.

[F]

Sugar causes a direct pathway to inflammation. That pathway, that inflammatory effect is completely obliterated and reduced by the use of these drugs.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

So because I have seen things online and I don't know if it's true, but like people have implied that like there's like not like a cure to cancer but it helps fight cancer. What? Like that's right. Is there truth to that?

[F]

There's truth that recent studies have shown that when you look at tumor growth in patients who've had cancer who have been on the drugs versus those who have not been on the drugs, it slows it. And that's all the inflammatory effect of sugar in your body. I'm obsessed with them. And if you've, you know, there's Ozempic and Wegovy, that was the originals, that's the same drug. It's GLP1. Then the double agonist is GLP1 and GIP, which is Mounjaro and Zepbound. Same drug. And then there's the new one about to come out. Have you heard of this?

[B]

You told me about it at times.

[F]

I told you I talked your hair off. Sorry about that.

[A]

No, he loved it.

[D]

He loved it.

[F]

Reta. Retatrutide. It's actually called retatrutide but everyone's calling retatrutide. Everyone's calling it reta and it's so powerful and so good that they're already making it illegally. Compounding pharmacies has said, forget it. We're not even gonna wait for the FDA approval. They're already making it. It's a triple agonist. It's GLP1, which is Ozempic GIP. So it's now Manjaro. Right? It's the best one. Plus glucagon, which is a fat burner. So it gets rid of your appetite, it burns fat, it reduces inflammation. It's insane. I know 200 people on it.

[C]

Wow.

[F]

Everybody I know is on it.

[D]

I feel like gym bros are on it, which is a little confusing because I'm like, can you build muscle while on these or like easily?

[F]

I guess so that's the, that the, that's the right question asked because the problem with these GLP1 drugs is sarcopenia. You lose muscle normally on a diet. Diet, right. You lose 75% fat, 25% muscle on a regular diet plan. When you go on these drugs, it's more like 50, 50. You lose more lean muscle. And lean muscle is the key to longevity. Right. So when you add glucagon, you fat burn, you retain more muscle, which is critical. So it's, it's going to be the first trillion dollar drug retitrutide. It should be out by the end of this year or the beginning of next year. But there's another one coming after that that has a muscle grower in it.

[A]

So how do you choose which one to do?

[F]

Whichever the latest one is, that has all the studies. Okay, yeah, that shows the best fat burning, muscle preservation or muscle growth. These drugs are so critical and so cool and I, I'm obsessed with them and I'm obsessed with the peptides.

[A]

What was the conversation like in the medical sphere when people started, when doctors or whoever it was was like, hey, this could like start curing some other things.

[F]

It was as you would probably expect. Most doctors were suspect. Yeah, they thought it was a bad idea. We're using a diabetic medication and non diabetics. Why don't people just diet and exercise? And then. I know you guys didn't probably see this, but I got in a whole thing with Jillian Michaels on the Internet. She said, oh, zemping is the worst thing. You should just diet and exercise. Did you see the netfl Netflix documentary on your show? It's not, not working, is it?

[D]

You know, thing is like, people aren't, people aren't diet and exercising and like they should be, but sometimes you might need the kickstart and I'M not saying I'm for, against, but I'm like, if, if it's going to save lives, then I would rather somebody be alive.

[B]

The definition of a diet is like kind of temporary thing. It's not like a lifestyle change. It's a.

[F]

Well, does it work? I mean, is there not an epidemic of obesity in this country? Has it been working? Just diet and exercise? It's not working, working. So this what Jillian Michaels and I did, she, I, she was ragging Ozempic and I was saying it's the greatest thing in the history of medicine, the cure for obesity. And then I was walking out of Craig's, you know, Craig's and TMZ was there. Maybe I had a cocktail, maybe I didn't. They said, what do you think about Jillian Michael saying Ozempic is dangerous? I said, look, if you're going to get your medical advice from personal trainer, I think you're making a mistake. And if Jillian Michaels wants to give medical advice, she should take the MCATs and go to med school. And she heard that. Which started. Which is. Right.

[B]

It seemed like a fairly reasonable thing. The reasonable thing to say, I appreciate that there is some value in being a doctor.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like.

[F]

Yeah. The big question is, so you know, GLP1, these drugs are peptides, right?

[B]

So that's what a Gopa one is.

[F]

They are, okay, peptide. They're short chains of amino acids that send like a biological text to the body. Do this, meaning in this case, don't be hungry, reduce sugar in the blood, slow down your GI tract so you get full more easily. Right. But what about all those.

[B]

Sounds like a Marvel movie where you're like, yeah, you're like, you're making a superhero and you're like injecting these, like, human performance things and a fascinating way.

[F]

That's exactly what it is. Just wait till AI starts inventing peptides. Okay? I can't.

[B]

Is it here? Big question. And you probably think about this more.

[F]

You're held 67.

[B]

I'm 45.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm at, you know, like, I'm. People say I look good for my age, still fairly active. But, like, you know, I'm working out less and less as a dad. I'm, you know, I am getting older. Will these advances in medicine get here fast enough for us to, like, live and have, like, great lives into, like

[F]

our 100 for you and certainly for you guys. For you, for sure. You're. You're in the sweet spot. You're not going to live to 82 like, I might. And even for me, I might get a few more years. But for you guys, you're so lucky to be your age because you ever heard of longevity escape velocity? You ever heard of this concept?

[B]

Sure, yeah.

[F]

Longevity escape velocity is the concept that once AI starts getting involved with medicine, which it's about to in a big way, for every year you're alive, you get to have another year. In other words, you're going to have so many things that are going to augment your ability to reverse aging, to stay alive longer, to inform your body of how to act, that you guys are all going to live to be over 100. There's no question about it. Okay, people, my age range, I say, listen, if you're alive, congratulations. But you need to do everything you can to preserve yourself, starting with, well, exercise. Lifting weights in my age is the number one most important thing. You need muscle mass. That's the most critical thing. Because there are certain programs your body automatically goes through as you get older. The chromosomes tell you at around 60 to 63, you see people, they go from looking okay to all of a sudden they sort of start to look frail. Older people, that's the frailty gene. It's programmed. We're not supposed to live forever. Well, we can, I think, if you do it right.

[B]

So it's the program.

[F]

It's the program. Right. The telomeres on your chromosomes start to shorten, Your reparative processes start to delete. So at 60, and you should do this now, you should start lifting weights, focus on resistance training. It's the single most important thing you can do for longevity besides taking these peptides. For me, I just want to be preserved enough that when these things come out, which they will in the next three years for sure, that I can take it. Because if you're too far gone.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

You know, if you're. You can take that thing, it's just not going to reverse anything.

[D]

Right. You're going to just be staying forever at that frail stage for the next 20 years.

[F]

Well, the problem with the group peptides as a sort of a category in general is that most of the peptides are illegal and unapproved and untested. Right. It's all rat data. And because the government said you guys can't have, you can't prescribe peptides. We're not allowed to prescribe the unapproved peptides. We're not allowed to. So what happens? It forced it in the black market and now it's gym bros and chiropractors online Going Wolverine, man, it's the greatest stack ever. Based on what? What do you. You know? And they're coming from China and they have heavy metals and toxins. There are some for skin, there are some for inflammation, there's some for muscle growth and for growth factor. None of them are approved and none of them are tested. But everybody's talking about it like it's the greatest thing ever. So the government said, you know, let's just make it all illegal. But if they give it back to us, which hopefully they will in the next couple of months, then we doctors can start prescribing them them and try to figure out if they work. But. So the hot peptides are, you know, I'm sure you've heard of these. Ghk, cu. That one for skin. The problem is nobody knows how to take them. Nobody knows what the end point is. How do you measure their effect? So we doctors, we know how to do that, but we don't prescribe them because it's illegal. So as soon as they give it back to us.

[B]

Where are you with creative?

[F]

I love it. I'm obsessed. I think that's the most tested supplement there is and the most important.

[B]

But I should keep taking that for sure.

[F]

Well, how many grams of day do you take?

[B]

Like five. One scoop.

[F]

One scoop. Which is five. So all the recent data, this is the most tested supplement there is. Creatine. You should probably be mega dosing it, at least 15.

[A]

So it's to build muscle.

[F]

Muscle and brain.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That's good for your brain.

[F]

It's super good.

[B]

It came out when I was in college and it was like something like, like us, like athletes and football players. Like, I remember we came popular. I was in high school and it became popular, and it was one of those, like, should you take it? Should you not take it? You'd have, like a lot of water weight and like football guys would take it. And then 20 years later, like, no, actually, it's really good for you.

[F]

Well, that's the way Pept, you know, they started. And then everybody starts testing. The doctors go, maybe we should start looking into that. Creatine was the first thing. We all went, oh, don't do that. And then we started testing it and it's incredibly powerful and incredibly effective. I'm obsessed with it. So I think you should take creatine. Every single. Everybody should. Females particularly.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Really?

[F]

Yes. Because it's all about muscle. You guys need muscle more than we do because you're subjected to osteoporosis, bone thinning. And the less muscle you have, less pull on the bone, the less distraction osteogenesis or if you, if you talk to clavicular. The looks mactor.

[B]

Oh yeah. You follow that show?

[F]

Oh, of course I follow it.

[D]

We gotta hear your tape.

[F]

You know he talks about Wolf's law. No clavic clav.

[B]

It seems my read on with is like there's a lot of. There's just a problem with like young men these days and what we're. What. What they're focusing on.

[F]

Yeah, it's the what smv. Your sexual market value is the most important thing you can do as a teenager. Like make yourself as good looking as possible so that your sexual market value is elevated so you're now more. More valuable in society. Is that what you want a 13 year old to do?

[A]

Wild.

[F]

You know this guy, right? He's.

[D]

He.

[F]

He tells everyone the dose of testosterone to take when you're 12, 13, 14. Of course.

[D]

That's awful.

[F]

That stunts your growth.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

It makes you sterile, gives you acne. Your hair is going to fall out. Don't do testosterone until you're about. You're not on it yet, huh? Oh, it's the best.

[B]

Can it be safe for the right people is.

[F]

Do you see what's happening here?

[B]

You are sexy. Yeah.

[F]

Come on.

[B]

You have objectively better guns than I have.

[F]

Like you know, TRT testosterone replacement therapy after the age of, you know, 50 I think is really effective. Particularly 60s if you're 60 plus. You're not on TRT dude. Get on a little test. Go to your doctor who specializes this. Get on it. Lift some weight. Well measure your testosterone, make sure it's low and it's going to be relatively

[B]

low because we were having some issues with conceiving. I did some blood work a few weeks ago and the blood work came back. They were like, wow, your testosterone is like a 20 year old.

[F]

And then it was really high.

[B]

It was pretty good.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

And then we checked my sperm and all that stuff.

[A]

They were like he's perfect.

[B]

It was like also like, like pretty good high. It was like not low.

[F]

Did you get to look at the microscope and see this? Heather and I had the same thing. Right. We're having trouble conceiving. Did you ivf?

[A]

No, we did not. We ended up just figuring out I have some PAI one some gene mutation and then some blood disorder called tag.

[F]

Tag. Okay.

[A]

That. So I did Lovenox.

[F]

Ah, you need a little blood thinner action. Okay.

[A]

And that's what works hurt.

[F]

And you got twins and we Got twins. Wow. I believe in this thing. I'm not the fertility specialist. Don't necessarily say this is true, but I think it is true. Once you start having kids, you become even more fertile. It's like you just get better at getting pregnant. Right. So the chances that you're going to get pregnant a short, relatively short time after is probably pretty high. Well, probably not even take your.

[B]

Really. I mean, conceiving has never been our issue.

[F]

Well, it was, Right. You had to have your sperm analyzed, you know, now about. But now, you know, the lovenox thing, it was.

[B]

It was the egg attached.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. But you. I wouldn't be surprised. So you think you have birth control now, Theoretically, by not using those measures to enhance your fertility. So you may actually get pregnant a lot sooner than you think because you may not even need. Need the lovenoxes and the drugs to enhance the attachment anymore. We'll see.

[D]

We'll see.

[A]

How old are your twins?

[F]

Four years. We had a singleton four years later, and then we had an accident. Those were all IVFs.

[D]

Oh, they were.

[F]

And then our last one was like, who knew that sex actually could result in a baby?

[D]

I love that.

[F]

Yes. And so. Yeah. Because I don't read four.

[E]

Four.

[F]

I know you. We just talked about four. Four is a lot, man. I told you. Four. You lose the taxi.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[F]

Can't put six people in a taxi, so now you need two taxis.

[D]

Car service.

[F]

It's a whole huge thing. Yeah, a lot. Yes, I know.

[A]

I remember when nads were like, the best.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Thing. It was like, this is reversing aging. Yes, everyone, it's. Have those moved on.

[F]

So opinions vary. Again, another nad.

[B]

What is that?

[F]

It's like another peptide for energy. Yet another unstudied thing based on rat studies, which, by the way, 93 of RAT data is not translatable to humans. Just so you know, so everything.

[B]

Oh, so when you say rat, you

[F]

literally mean tested on rats. Yeah.

[B]

I thought it was like slang for, like, garbage data.

[F]

It's garbage. The one study done on humans, it didn't work, but it's the number one peptide. But nad, a lot of people like it. I'm not a huge fan. I've seen a lot of people go to the emergency room taking nad and getting. Oh, yeah, I can tell you there was a party at a certain housewife's house maybe up in la, where off camera, and you know, all these people, obviously, and they had an NAD cyst thing set up with an iv and two people went to the emergency room. It was total disaster. So I'm not a big fan of nad. I think it can cause severe flushing and arrhythmias. And whether it does increase your energy or not, I mean, you know, I think it's pretty split how well it works. I tried it. I hated it.

[C]

Really.

[F]

You know, I felt it when I, when I injected Succubutase and I went, okay, you know, and for like three hours that, yeah, I don't like this feeling. And then other people. Well, your dose was too high. No, it wasn't too high. I mean, you know, I weighed almost 200 pounds and I was using a starter dose. I didn't, I didn't like it. But you know, that's the problem with this. Everything's anecdotal based on this person or that person.

[B]

So what's the best way? And if you're someone listening to this episode and you're interested in some of the things that you're talking about, like you mentioned obviously would go to a doctor, but like what are the. Yeah, the do's and don'ts of this stuff and how to do it safely.

[F]

Okay. Don't go on TikTok and listen to Dr. Mike or Dr. James. By the way, if anybody online social media calls themselves Dr. Terry, they're not, they're a chiropractor. Okay. I can tell you that. And maybe I don't know about spinal manipulation. I'm not a huge fan. But that's probably important and good they know how to do that. But drugs and medicine and physiology, maybe not. Go to a, a person who's an MD who labels themselves as a longevity specialist. Okay. Ideally would be an endocrinologist, but I have very few endocrinologists I know are into this new frontier of west of, you know, of medicine. So go to an internist or it can be anybody, it can be a urologist. Some of the best sort of information out there on YouTube about these drugs are from urologists, weirdly because they do testosterone and a lot of drugs for male longevity and so on. But go to an MD who's into longevity and they. The thing about us is we have our licenses to protect. So we're going to make sure we don't do stuff that's not, that's within reason. That's as tested and evidence based as possible. And we'll follow you very closely. Okay. And we'll prescribe you things through our channels and don't have heavy metals and endotoxins, toxins and are not going to kill you and put you in the icu, which is a thing okay. With these peptides. So go to go to a doctor and particularly in the next several months because the government is going to allow us to prescribe these peptides legally. That's the big thing. I'm interviewing with a big important news organization out of Australia tomorrow. You know, and because Australia is severely restricted peptides to the point where they're treating like opioids.

[D]

Wow.

[F]

They're treating like heroin.

[B]

Why is that do you think?

[F]

They're just much more conservative than we are in this country and I think they're a few years behind us. So all that's doing is now doctors can't even fake it. Like doctors are allowed to prescribe these things for research purposes, which is a whole BS thing that we could get into. But they can't even do that there. So now it has to come from some labs down the street in a warehouse. So when you regulate these things very severely, all it does is send it underground to the black market and make it that much more dangerous. So it's about to become something that we physicians will be able to do legally. And we know this stuff. Yeah, particularly guys like me who are obsessed with it. I mean, I still probably won't prescribe it just because I'm a little bit high profile. And you know, last thing, you know, on my phone, you know, last thing I, I, this will go off sometimes and it says tmz and I'm going oh no. And I go what? And they go, no, no, it's not about you. We want to know what you think about this. I go, okay. And then sometimes you go, it is about you. What, what did somebody say? You know, yeah, you know, I'm a little high profile to be prescribing peptides I think anytime soon. But, but they're amazing. This is the future of medicine. This is the future of longevity. This is the future of health and wellness. And as soon as we are able to ask GPT 5.9 or 12.5, how do you make a better peptide using these anti inflammatory. It's going to go. And we're about to get the greatest peptides ever, so stay tuned. Only doctors should be able to do that.

[B]

How are doctors today using AI in their practice?

[F]

So I use it a lot and I'm obsessed with it. Well, if you're a radiologist, you're a little screwed because AI is a thousand times better at reading X rays than a radiologist. So at image analysis, nothing's better than AI. Nothing can read an MRI or a chest X ray or a pathology slot better than AI so that. So we're using it in those areas. But there are two recent studies, one out of Harvard and one at Cedars, where they compared AI analysis of patients coming in to an ER compared to the doctor's analysis and their diagnostic capabilities. AI was like 83% better making a diagnosis than we physicians were in that situation setting. So I think very soon, if you don't feel well, you're going to go into a place, there's going to be a nurse there and some diagnostic machines and a link, an LLM AI and you're going to talk to it. It's going to just like you talk. Don't you talk to Chad occasionally?

[B]

Sure, yeah.

[F]

And you're going to go and you're going to tell your symptoms and they're going to take some blood. And now there's a robot that.

[D]

Oh, I don't like that.

[F]

Have you seen this robot? No. There's a robot that actually does ultrasound and sees your vein, puts a tiny little needle right into it and can take your blood.

[D]

Maybe that is better than a person in theory. But like, oh my gosh, the thought of it missing. I'm too queasy. But also I'm like, I've had, I've had humans miss multiple times.

[B]

So take it from the doctor.

[D]

Yeah, it's probably so.

[F]

I did four, I did five surgeries yesterday. Okay. On the second one was this sort of this woman who was a little bit older and kind of had nothing to eat or drink as they shouldn't, for a few hours. And she was a little dehydrated. They had to stick her.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

To get the IV started like seven times. Well, if you, you know, robot comes in with an ultrasound.

[D]

Amazing.

[F]

And puts it right in there. I prefer the robot to it.

[D]

That's fair.

[F]

How long will it be before robots are better at surgery than. Than humans? If you ask Elon Musk, he says three years. Elon, you're. What are you smoking? It's not gonna be three years. They can barely move water from one place to another.

[B]

Maybe in 15 years for sure.

[A]

I mean, I.

[F]

Or eight. Yeah.

[A]

I was a surgical tech for a few. For years and assisted in some robotics surgery.

[F]

And it's good.

[A]

That to me is like. I mean, they're performing and it's just in the. I mean there is a doctor in there who's like manipulating the robotics arms and stuff. Yeah, it's. So the fact that we are here now Is really, really wild.

[F]

It's funny because I was asked the other day, they said, well, you're probably going to be safe because robots won't have the artistic judgment that a human. I said, really? Haven't you seen the movies that AI is making now? I'm one of my favorite podcasts. Besides your guys, I do watch your podcast. I love it is Whiskers podcast. Have you ever seen Whiskers podcast? It's two cats. AI cats, us and the cats. I'm obsessed. Cats. I love cats who. Who talk to each other and they look at. They go smash your past, and then they talk about what it's like to be a cat and how they relate to their humans. I'm obsessed. They look like real cats.

[D]

Really?

[F]

Yes. And so I don't know what makes a more beautiful generated girl, AI or a human. Yes. I think AI is going to be a better plastic surgeon than we are.

[E]

Wow.

[F]

No question about it.

[A]

Really?

[F]

Yeah. I'm obsessed with AI I think it's the greatest thing ever.

[A]

So you're ready to retire?

[F]

Yeah, I could retire. I could retire five years ago. I do it because I have, as you know, I have a very unique practice. Nobody comes to Terry Debra for a simple, simple breast augmentation. You come with the, you know, this. The summer, the, you know, summer breast summer here, some are there, you know,

[B]

I imagine, like. Well, to that point, like, there will be a lot less botched surgeries once AI really gets going.

[F]

Yes, yes, but I Most botched surgeries, and because the doctor did something wrong, it's because they ran into a complication. Because, you know, think about it. We take a human who's perfectly healthy, and we cut into them, disrupt all their blood vessels, move tissue from here over to there just to make them look a little better. I mean, we traumatize people just for vanity. So that goes wrong even when you do it perfectly a certain percentage of time.

[B]

How often. I mean, obviously we started this conversation with you suggesting to Nali just like, hey, maybe, maybe wait a little bit. How often are you talking patients out of surgery?

[F]

Well, I'm in a unique position because I don't have to do surgery anymore. I don't care. You know, I do it because it's fun. I get the coolest cases. I don't care about paying my overhead, so I'm super honest. So if, you know, a woman comes to me, she's had one kid and she still looks perfect, but maybe her breasts have drooped 10 millimeters, you know, a quarter of an Inch. And I go, really? You want a breast? You want to put scars on these breasts? They're still world class. So they go, really? Yes. Scars. You're going to have scars. You're going to see them. Oh, and most, I think, not most, but a lot of surgeons who need to pay for their expensive overheads would go, oh, yeah, this is great. We can do a breast lift. You'll love it. We'll put it in a higher position. Okay, great. So, you know, it depends where you are in your career. Career. I like to think I was always super honest, and I always said, do you really want to put a big scar across your tummy just to make it a little tighter?

[D]

Have they fixed?

[A]

I haven't seen your. Your belly button tummy tuck recently, but have they made those look a little bit more natural?

[F]

Yeah, I mean, belly buttons are something you get a lot better at as you get older. So belly buttons are like the nose of the abdomen. If, you know, it's a. Off, even a millimeter, you go, that looks weird. Yeah, that looks kind of funky.

[D]

Something's not right.

[F]

Something's not right. Yeah. Where it gets really tricky where. Where bots just taught me is how to make one when there isn't one. Where they've lost one. Yeah. That's a skill that just the universe has taught me, you know, how to do to make one end up, you know, gotten pretty decent at that, but. Yeah. So at this point, I do nothing but just impossible surgery.

[A]

Do you just miss doing, like a typical breast dog or. No. Would you be?

[B]

Not really.

[F]

I mean, I. So if they come to me for a typical breast dog, I say, you know, I'm a little expensive. You can go down the street and that guy who's two years out of his training will do the exact same thing I will. He's gonna make an incision, lift up a pocket, put it in, and sit you up and go. Oh.

[E]

And then.

[F]

And then stitch you up and go. Am I the best? You're the best. Yes, you are, doctor.

[D]

Okay.

[F]

It's good. It's not a hard operation. Most of these operations when they've never had surgery before, like upper lids. So the same really amazing doctors who are doing these A list celebrities and these beautiful faceless are doing surgery on these A list males. Have you seen what's happening with the eyes on the A list?

[D]

Yes. Yes.

[F]

You need to mention some names because I don't do that.

[D]

Yeah. I won't say there's like four.

[F]

I can think.

[D]

Me too.

[F]

Well, I can Tell you, the males people are asking me about, right? So they're asking me about Bradley Cooper. They're asking me about Jim Carrey. They asked me about Adam Levine. Okay, so why do they look so. I don't know. I think they're still amazing, talented. Did hugely successful people. Legendary. I love them. But when you look. Okay, when you look at their eyes, something's going on. Look. How do the then and now different they look?

[B]

There's like an intensity to their eyes.

[F]

Well, they have too much skin taken. Oh, and here's the thing. Yeah, look at this. So here's the thing.

[E]

Thing.

[F]

Males have upper eyelid skin. It's very rare that you have a male who has no excess upper. Women most when they're younger, and as they get older and have plastic surgery, you see the entire what we call upper eyelid platform, there's no excess skin at all. All males have some liding. We call it hooding of the upper eyelids. Okay, great. So if you take a guy who's got some pudding, Excess upper eyelid skin, he's got a little bit older, and then you take it all. He never looked like that. And now you've altered him to a point where he's unrecognizable.

[D]

I'm curious. Okay. Not for guys, but for girls, considering a lower bluff, would you say get under eye filler before you say do a under. Under bluff.

[F]

So, you know, I just did a TV show on E, which no one saw, thank you very much, called Plastic Surgery Rewind with one C's season, where a bunch of celebrities moved into a house together. A bunch of. I. I saw you didn't cover it on your show.

[B]

By the way, next time you have

[F]

a show because you've never heard of

[B]

it, get us the 41 1.

[F]

We'll make it the marketing, like so. I know, right? We had Kim Zolciak, her daughter Ariel, or, you know, Herman.

[A]

Yes.

[F]

And then we had. Who was the one with P. Diddy in the band, you know, day they all moved into a house to. To consider reversing their plastic surgery. And so that was my new show on E. Right. We put Botched on pause and did that show.

[B]

Sounds great.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. And they had to go through this whole. Michelle Visage from Drag Race was the host. We had a therapist and me, and they had to decide whether or not to reverse their plastic surgery. They all hated their face fitness filler, every single one of them. And they particularly hated the filler under the eyes because this is the thinnest Skin in the body, if you get a little too close to the surface, it results in this weird phenomenon called the Tyndall effect, where you can see it and it's hard to dissolve and sometimes it's not dissolvable at all. Filler in the face needs to be done. Well, it. It is being done a lot less now, but for a while was, you know, we used to call it the pillow face overfill everybody's face face. And that was the key, the. The liquid facelift. Fortunately, that's pretty much over. Not. People are not doing as much filler anymore.

[A]

What is this new, this facelift that like allegedly Lindsay Lohan.

[F]

The deep plane.

[A]

Yep.

[F]

So the deep plane is you go much deeper, theoretically, as you go closer to the nerves and you pull the entire cheek up, rather than to get tightening through just skin pulling, you get a. A more, not a more natural result because their faces are changing, let's face it. They're before and after. They're almost. They look great, but almost unrecognizable, but in a good way, some of them. Right. So that's called the deep plane. A recent study was published in our number one journal, PRS Plastic and Reconstruct Surgery, that compared 2,000 deep planes with 2,000 regular facelifts, where we just do the. The plane called the smass. There was no difference. So, you know, the key with the facelifts. Go to someone who does a lot of facelifts and you'll get a. And whatever they want to do. Like, like the brute, the Kris Jenner. Chris. Yeah, Kris Jenner. And a lot of the ones you're seeing from that very good surgeon in la, they're not doing D planes. None of them. None of them are doing D planes. So, you know, there's so much sort of retail. It's retail Madison Medicine. And a lot of what you hear online with a doctor showing their before and after. I've been doing the deep plane for 30 years. Really, it's only about 20 years old. Is just a lot of advertising and hype. You know, there's no magic to the deep plane facelift. There really isn't. So be careful.

[A]

First thing to age is neck, right?

[F]

I think it's your eyes. I think people age in their eyes before the neck tends to loosen. And yeah, first it's the mid third. That's why I'm, you know, people have their eyes done before they have their neck done. But the neck is obviously a thing that shows your age very significantly. You know, what's Pathetic. So when I was in Medical School, 1982-86, right. We were taking scalpels and cutting people open and disrupting their blood supply and lifting things up and pulling it back, back and cutting it off and stitching it up. I thought, okay, I'm getting. This is fun, getting good at this. But I imagine in the 2000s, particularly 20, 26, there'll be a different way than taking a scalpel, cutting open the face, disrupting the blood supply and putting stitches in. That's exactly what we're doing. Help.

[D]

Ridiculously, we need AI on that mean.

[F]

Well. So, you know, there's a drug you can inject that changes the DNA of the cholesterol, forming cells in your liver so that you. It permanently lowers your cholesterol.

[E]

Wow.

[F]

One shot, really?

[B]

Is that like a. Is that a GLP one?

[F]

No, it. It. No, it's a. It's. No, it's not a. It's not a peptide. It's a longer chain, more complicated drug. So. So how far away are we from injecting a drug that changes your collagen producing cells, DNA, so that you make collagen the way you do as opposed to the way I do or the way you do as opposed to the way you do? Not far.

[D]

I'm like, give it to me now. I want it, by the way.

[F]

Give it to me, baby.

[B]

So when you say not far, we talk in two years, 15 years, certainly five. Five.

[D]

Okay. So we just gotta hold out. I mean, get the Botox, maybe not too much filler.

[F]

Yes.

[D]

Sculpture.

[F]

I'm. I think all those are great. And look, if you're ready, if you look in the mirror and you. You pull your cheeks back and it looks substantially better. And you're in your 40s, 50s. Yeah. I think it's a while before you're gonna have this drug that changes your collagen and your elastin so that you kind of get facelift by changing your DNA. It's still okay to go get a facelift? I think. Think it is. It's not happening next year.

[B]

Well, Dr. Debro, this is so much fun.

[F]

That was so fun. Thank you very much. I'm just. I want to say I am a little bit surprised you didn't bring up Housewives.

[B]

I was going. You know what? Honestly, we can.

[F]

No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Season 20, Real Housewives orange. Are you excited for this season?

[F]

You know, I don't really watch the show.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

I stopped watching it to protect myself.

[B]

Sure.

[F]

So, you know, I'll show up to a party in the middle of the season, and they're all fighting and ragging on each other. And I go, go, Vicky and Little, I know that she and Heather are pissed right now. I go.

[B]

I don't.

[F]

She looks at me, I go, we're cool. I don't. I don't watch. I don't know. So, yeah, I think it's very cool. You know, it's been the most amazing platform ever.

[B]

I have one more question. What's the best financial advice that you could give me or anyone? Obviously, you're a successful surgeon. We know that you guys, you know, do well for yourselves. But it seems like when I'm watching Housewives Lives, you guys are doing very well for yourself. And I would love to, like, just, you know, any best practices that you have, because there seems to be. You seem to be doing even better than some of your peers.

[F]

Yeah, well, we're very into the planning thing, as into AI and peptides and longevity. I'm that into finances, too. I've been a student of it my whole life. There's a few basic principles that I think are very easy that everyone should do. Number one one, you open up. It's called scholarshare. For each one of your kids, do it right now. You can do it even before they're born. And you put a little bit of money into it every month. A little bit of money, maybe 100 bucks, 200 bucks, and it grows and grows. And you don't pay taxes on it in 18 years as it comes out. And you use it for college. It's a college fund. Oh, wow.

[D]

My parents did that.

[F]

And your parents can pay into it. So when my kids, that four of them are all going to college, you know, they're at expensive schools, every single one of them. You know, we just had two graduate, one's still at Yale, and one's about to go to school. College, Their college funds, they're funded. It's the best thing ever. No matter how wealthy you are in the future, which I know you guys will be, it's nice not to have to pay for college. So that's the number one thing you must do. Scholarship, California 529 plan. Okay? And then number two, you know, you got to pay yourself first. Always take whatever you make a month and say, well, we're going to take this percent, whatever it is, 10, 15%, and we're going to put it in something that makes money every single month. And I recommend, I. You know, when the first iPhone came out, it was two days after Steve Jobs. Oh, one more thing. I don't know if you've ever seen that. If you haven't, it's. You were little kids when this thing out. But it was historic moment. I saw it. I was a young surgeon and he pulled out this new type of phone. Phone and you know, that you could manipulate by touching the screen. And a patient of mine's husband came in as they were picking the patient up and showed me this thing and I went, whoa. I bought Apple stock every year.

[B]

Really?

[F]

So buy. Invest in the brilliant people. Just keep buying those stocks forevermore. That's my best.

[B]

Do you have an online Terry Debra fund that people can follow?

[F]

I don't, but it's very, you know, I just buy. Buy our geniuses, invest in them and you'll do really well. That's it.

[B]

Well, Dr. Debro, we appreciate you taking the time. Where can people follow you, all that fun stuff?

[F]

So, you know, I'm sort of nowhere and everywhere at the same time. I'm. I have an Instagram called Dr. Dubrow, Heather and I have a podcast. I'm just doing my thing.

[A]

Are you still doing TikTok lives right now?

[F]

You mean where I sell my stuff right now? That's on a pause because I'm developing a new system based on all the new stuff that's come out. I'm changing up, although that's been very successful. But I'm changing things around. Yeah. And finally work out every single day.

[A]

Lift weights. Women drink creatine. That was. I didn't. Yeah, I tell my mom to drink some creatine.

[F]

Yeah, that was cheap, too.

[B]

Yes, cheap.

[F]

The cheapest.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Yeah, that was fun. Thank you very much.

[B]

Well, I'll do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Dr. Terry Debro. Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for another amazing reality recap. We have the creators of of Million Dollar Nanny fascinated by that show. I am curious how they found these nannies and these families. We also have Gabriel from Love island talking about his experience. And I'm sure he's going to bring it and we are excited about it, so be sure to tune in. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.

[F]

Bye. Foreign.

[B]

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