E833 - Shannon Beador, DWTS w/ Danny Amendola and Witney Carson, Golden Bachelorette & RHONY

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files Episode E833

Episode Title: Shannon Beador, DWTS w/ Danny Amendola and Whitney Carson, Golden Bachelorette & RHONY
Release Date: October 31, 2024
Host: Nick Viall
Guests: Shannon Beador, Danny Amendola, Whitney Carson
Featured Segments: Reality Recap, Stats vs Knowledge, Vibes vs Stats

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1. Shannon Beador’s Appearance and On-Show Conflicts

Overview:
The episode primarily centers around Shannon Beador, a prominent figure from reality television, discussing her experiences and conflicts within the show. Shannon opens up about her strained relationship with Joel (presumably Joel Kim Booster), highlighting issues of trust and perceived mistreatment.

Key Discussions:

• Conflict with Joel:
  Shannon vehemently expresses her dislike for Joel, stating, "Joel can boost her," and labeling his actions as deceitful. She criticizes his apology, saying, "I think that the apology... made me lose all respect for him" ([02:54]). This indicates a deep-seated resentment and a lack of resolution between them.

• Perception of Bullies Among Castmates:
  Nick shares his observation, "I just think every after meeting Shannon, I really think that all of her castmates are kind of bullies" ([01:50]). This suggests that Shannon feels isolated and unsupported by other participants.

• Shannon’s Defense Mechanism:
  Despite the conflicts, Shannon maintains her admiration for herself, stating, "Okay. I love Shannon... Hate's a strong word" ([02:11]). She emphasizes that her disdain is directed specifically at Joel's actions, not her own character.

• Producer Interactions and Apology:
  Shannon recounts how Joel's apology felt insincere and self-serving. Danny Amendola adds, "if Shannon has been allowed to have moments... then why is Joel not allowed to have that?" ([03:35]). This underscores the double standards Shannon perceives in the show's dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Beador: "I don't appreciate the way he treated Shannon." ([02:17])
• Nick Viall: "Hate is." ([02:12])
• Danny Amendola: "Joel is very much main character syndrome." ([03:58])
• Shannon Beador: "I hold no hatred in my heart towards Shannon Beador. I think that she has gone through a lot and she doesn't deserve it." ([06:22])

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2. Dancing with the Stars Segment: Danny Amendola and Whitney Carson

Overview:
The episode features a lively segment with former NFL player Danny Amendola and his dance partner Whitney Carson from "Dancing with the Stars" (DWTS). They engage in comedic and competitive games, showcasing their dancing experiences and personal anecdotes.

Key Discussions:

• Stats vs Knowledge Game:
  Danny and Whitney participate in a game contrasting his athletic stats versus his dance knowledge. This playful competition highlights their camaraderie and diverse skill sets.

• Vibes vs Stats Dance Challenge:
  The duo engages in assessing dance performances of NFL mascots, evaluating them based on "vibes" versus statistical prowess. They evaluate mascots like Big Red (Arizona Cardinals) and Mr. Chicago Dubbear (Chicago Bears), discussing their dance moves and overall appeal.

• Danny’s NFL Journey:
  Danny shares insights into his football career, detailing his time with various teams, overcoming injuries (e.g., tearing his rotator cuff), and his transition into dancing. He recounts, "I tore my rotator and my bicep tendon" ([41:12]) and discusses the strenuous nature of both football and dance training.

• Whitney’s Dance Challenges:
  Whitney talks about the complexities of learning different dance styles, emphasizing the importance of posture and emotional connection in performances. She mentions, "it's all about the music" ([78:19]).

Notable Quotes:

• Danny Amendola: "Joel can booster. I love you." ([03:50])
• Whitney Carson: "He's got rhythm. He can tell. He's feeling it. He's into it emotionally." ([50:10])
• Joel Kim Booster: "The dance is more stressful." ([40:38])
• Danny Amendola: "He stuffed my adorable kids," ([20:43])

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3. Reality Recap: Golden Bachelorette and RHONY Insights

Overview:
Nick Viall and co-hosts delve into recent developments in popular reality TV shows like "Golden Bachelorette" and "Real Housewives of New York (RHONY)." They analyze cast dynamics, emerging drama, and upcoming episodes.

Key Discussions:

• Golden Bachelorette Casting:
  The hosts discuss potential candidates for the next "Golden Bachelorette," speculating on eligible bachelors and expressing preferences. They highlight the challenges of finding someone genuinely interested rather than obsessed with former contestants.

• RHONY Season Analysis:
  Conversations revolve around the current season’s cast dynamics, particularly focusing on Shannon Beador's interactions with other housewives like Tamara Judge and Gina Kirschenheiter. The hosts express concern over the portrayal of relationships and conflicts, emphasizing the need for authentic storytelling over manufactured drama.

• Allegations and Legal Issues:
  Shannon discusses ongoing legal battles, mentioning a lawsuit involving Joel and expressing frustration over how these issues are manipulated within the show's narrative.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Beador: "I didn't spend anything. I got what Amazon gave me." ([21:31])
• Nick Viall: "Shannon's journey is one of accountability and improvement." ([99:40])
• Gina Kirschenheiter: "This is a toxic relationship, and I am doing everything I can to eliminate toxicity from my life." ([122:17])

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4. Personal Anecdotes and Community Interactions

Overview:
Beyond the core topics, the hosts share personal stories and interactions that add humor and relatability to the episode. These anecdotes highlight everyday challenges and the hosts' personalities.

Key Discussions:

• Dealing with Neighbors:
  Natalie Joy narrates an incident where her neighbor's dogs defecated on her driveway, leading to a humorous and frustrated chase. This story underscores the unpredictability of neighborhood dynamics.

• Introduction of Australian Snacks:
  Danny introduces Tim Tam and Vegemite, sharing his and Whitney's reactions to tasting these Australian delicacies. The segment adds an international flavor and showcases the hosts' willingness to try new things.

• Parenting Challenges:
  Discussions about raising young children, balancing busy schedules, and navigating the complexities of parenting add depth to the conversation, reflecting the hosts' personal lives.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Beador: "This is very sad." ([06:09])
• Natalie Joy: "I have another question. So are you and Alexis, like, teaming up together?" ([05:02])
• Whitney Carson: "Someone's gonna be like, yeah, we're not actual nerds." ([08:36])

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5. Upcoming Episodes and Future Content Teasers

Overview:
The episode concludes with teasers for future episodes, encouraging listeners to tune in for more in-depth conversations and exclusive interviews.

Key Discussions:

• Going Deeper with Jaleel White and Ashley from "Love Is Blind":
  Nick promotes upcoming "Going Deeper" episodes featuring Jaleel White (known for playing Steve Urkel) and Ashley from "Love Is Blind." These episodes promise candid conversations and behind-the-scenes insights.

• Shannon Beador’s Future Appearances:
  Shannon announces her appearance on "The Love Hotel," a spin-off from "The Viall Files," positioning herself as a new "Golden Bachelorette." This move signifies her continued presence and evolving storyline within the reality TV sphere.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall: "Join the Household and get ready for a mix of laughter, insight, and hot gossip!" ([Episode Description Reference])
• Shannon Beador: "I'm a Golden Bachelorette on The Love Hotel." ([117:35])

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Conclusion

Episode E833 of "The Viall Files" offers a comprehensive exploration of Shannon Beador's tumultuous experiences in reality TV, intertwined with engaging segments from "Dancing with the Stars" featuring Danny Amendola and Whitney Carson. The hosts navigate through personal stories, reality show recaps, and upcoming content, delivering a rich and entertaining narrative for listeners. Notable moments include Shannon’s candid discussions about her conflicts, the entertaining DWTS competitions, and heartfelt endorsements of future episode guests.

Overall Notable Quote:

• Nick Viall: "We appreciate all our guests Shannon, Danny, and Whitney joining the show. Thanks for listening." ([Final Remarks])

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Transcript

[Nick Viall]

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[Natalie Joy]

Yay.

[Shannon Bedore]

Exciting.

[Nick Viall]

And D and Whitney, what was everyone one's big takeaway meeting Shannon.

[Whitney Carson]

She's an icon.

[Shannon Bedore]

Joel's a liar. Joel can boost her.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

That boy's a liar.

[Nick Viall]

It's just more like I. Yeah. I just think every after meeting Shannon, I really think that all of her castmates are kind of bullies.

[Danny Amendola]

Have you guys met Joel?

[Natalie Joy]

Have you?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Danny Amendola]

I've seen him live a lot of times.

[Shannon Bedore]

She's a Joel, Stan. I'm not.

[Natalie Joy]

So then why do you think he did this? I never see a liar. I don't know why. Why you guys are putting love so much if you're gonna die for him. Why?

[Shannon Bedore]

Time she defends him that I'm like, I hate that man.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, you hate him.

[Shannon Bedore]

Why don't. Okay. I love Shannon.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

Hate's a strong word.

[Nick Viall]

Hate is.

[Natalie Joy]

No, I mean, he said crazy shit.

[Shannon Bedore]

I don't appreciate the way he treated Shannon.

[Nick Viall]

You're not a fan.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah. Of that. Those actions.

[Nick Viall]

Of those actions.

[Shannon Bedore]

He was good on Fire Island.

[Danny Amendola]

He wrote Fire island and he was incredible in fire.

[Natalie Joy]

Why did he do what he did to Shannon?

[Danny Amendola]

I don't know him personally. I maybe don't necessarily agree with the way in which he went about it. But I imagine that every story has two sides, and I would be interested to hear what he had to say about it.

[Shannon Bedore]

Mary follows him on Instagram.

[Natalie Joy]

Did you DM him for the videos when he posted DME for the videos?

[Danny Amendola]

I don't know Joel personally. I'm just a very big fan of his work, and I think he's very. A talented comedian and actor and writer.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

And you don't want to criticize the artist, just the man.

[Danny Amendola]

I don't want to criticize the man, honestly.

[Natalie Joy]

She loves him.

[Danny Amendola]

I do love him.

[Nick Viall]

But his apology, Like, I. I think that the apology.

[Danny Amendola]

If I was him, I wouldn't have.

[Nick Viall]

Apologized, but it's how he apologized that made me lose all respect for him.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah, I mean, like, because it was.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I shouldn't have done that. I was like, do you know what you did?

[Danny Amendola]

I don't agree. I don't agree with, like, the personal attack aspect of it, but, like, everybody has their moments. And if I think of Shannon, I think. I think that if Shannon has been allowed to have moments, a lot of people are allowed to have moments where they post things and do things that doesn't necessarily represent them in their best moment. And if Shannon is allowed to have moments that don't represent her in her best moments, then why is Joel not allowed to have that?

[Shannon Bedore]

She Stans him.

[Natalie Joy]

I think because he said he wants.

[Shannon Bedore]

Her to suffer and his family.

[Natalie Joy]

And her family.

[Danny Amendola]

I don't agree with that. Like, I don't think that he should have said that, but I will say that in the moment, I was kind of gagged, and I think he's very funny.

[Whitney Carson]

Not y'all. Turning Mary into Joel's, like, PR crisis representative.

[Danny Amendola]

Joel can booster. I love you. I, like, I'm a Joel defender. I'll stand by.

[Nick Viall]

Not that Joel's the only one who does this, but his statement and then his apology gave very much. Like, he is very much main character syndrome. And I don't.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. I guess in the Bravo sphere, I understand how Joel comes off as a villain, but as a fan of his work for a very long time, Like, I don't. Like, I don't know. I think Joel's gonna be fine. That's my take on it. Like, I don't. I don't know. I don't think this is as big of a, like, big career thing as a lot of.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I don't think it's career ruining.

[Shannon Bedore]

I just think he might be Bravo Ruining.

[Whitney Carson]

If I wasn't gonna watch the show before, I'm gonna watch it now.

[Nick Viall]

I think he should be a housewife.

[Shannon Bedore]

Mm. He can be a friend of one season.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. I don't know. I love Joel. Joel, I love you.

[Nick Viall]

I put it this way. After. I wouldn't want to be a friend with him.

[Danny Amendola]

I would.

[Joel Kim Booster]

She loves him.

[Nick Viall]

I think. I think it's Debbie in the back.

[Shannon Bedore]

You and Alexis Bellino both follow Joel. Kim, Booster, Let that sit in.

[Natalie Joy]

Let that sit in.

[Danny Amendola]

I'm not.

[Natalie Joy]

Don't. Do not.

[Danny Amendola]

Do not be in the same Kim as Alexis Bellino.

[Natalie Joy]

I have another question. So are you and Alexis, like, teaming up together? What's going on here?

[Danny Amendola]

Actually, Alexis and I have had multiple conversations. Alexis, Joel and I have all thought of ways that we are going to team up.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah, we're taking a trip.

[Danny Amendola]

Shannon Beador. Yeah, we're taking a trip together. Ultimate girls trip, but just evil people.

[Whitney Carson]

You're going to call it the Hate Hotel.

[Danny Amendola]

The Hate Hotel.

[Nick Viall]

Me. Me.

[Danny Amendola]

Me and Joel. But no, I think Joel's so funny. I think Joel was, like, probably in a moment where he was, like, being mean and joking, and it went too far and it didn't land. And sometimes stuff doesn't land. And you know what? He's. He's. He's fine.

[Shannon Bedore]

He's still fine.

[Danny Amendola]

He's still fine. Everybody go watch Fire Island. It's a really good movie.

[Nick Viall]

It is a good movie. Why have I seen Fire Island?

[Shannon Bedore]

It's on Hulu. It is.

[Danny Amendola]

It is. It is. It's a Pride and Prejudice, like, remake about gay guys. On Fire Island. It has.

[Shannon Bedore]

When you know what Fire island is, right? Like, it's an actual island, right? Or it's called something else, but it's an island, like, off of New York, right? Somewhere around there where it's, like, essentially, a lot of queer gay people go there, and it's a lot of, like, sex, hooking up, drugs, and it's Pride.

[Danny Amendola]

And Prejudice about it. It's Joel.

[Shannon Bedore]

Really good movie.

[Danny Amendola]

Joel is Elizabeth, and then Bo and Yang and then Matt Rogers is in it.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's a beautiful movie for people of all identities and sexuality as well.

[Danny Amendola]

Yes. Margaret Cho plays the mom. It's very incredible. I love it. So, yeah, I'll always. I'm a Joel girl. I'm sorry. Sorry, Shannon.

[Nick Viall]

You don't have to apologize.

[Shannon Bedore]

She's a Joel nerd.

[Danny Amendola]

I'm a Joel nerd.

[Nick Viall]

We allow discourse on this show.

[Danny Amendola]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

It's a safe space for people to disagree.

[Danny Amendola]

I hold no hatred in my heart towards Shannon Beador. I think that she has gone through a lot and she doesn't deserve it. But.

[Natalie Joy]

And I don't necessarily, like, you're fending off the Shannon. You know what?

[Nick Viall]

Fuck.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

She's pring herself. She's like, why? I do all also just want to say I don't agree.

[Danny Amendola]

Fuck it.

[Nick Viall]

Joking.

[Danny Amendola]

Booster has never done anything wrong in his entire life. Come at me.

[Natalie Joy]

We'll put. We'll put Mary's Instagram in the bio for you.

[Danny Amendola]

Come, Abby. I don't give a.

[Nick Viall]

Leave Mary alone.

[Danny Amendola]

Don't. I want to hear what you have to say.

[Nick Viall]

We also, as Natalie mentioned, we have Danny Amendola and his dancing partner Whitney Carson with us as well. They join us for Stats versus Knowledge. Danny being the former super bowl champion that he is Knowledge and special forces contestant who couldn't finish.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, he also did have.

[Nick Viall]

Don't give it away.

[Natalie Joy]

All right. He does tell us why he could not.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, we had. We have a lot of fun with them as well. That will be up shortly. Oh, by the way, don't forget that the Going Deeper episode with Jaleel White. You might know him as Steve Urkel is out now. And you, if you ever grew up watching any family members or TGI Fridays whatsoever, you would definitely want to. To listen to this or watch this episode.

[Shannon Bedore]

And in honor of him, we're dressed up as nerds today.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. You're kind of giving Urkel. Justin.

[Natalie Joy]

Justin is very much giving.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. Pull your pants.

[Nick Viall]

Did I do that?

[Shannon Bedore]

I can't do impersonations.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. It's nerd day here in the household. For those of you listening, Nick really.

[Natalie Joy]

Took it a step further with the duct tape on you are those sunglasses that you punched out the glass.

[Shannon Bedore]

Oh, you punched out the glass for this costume?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. No, I'm committed to the bit. Wow.

[Danny Amendola]

As someone who has actually, like, had to tape my glasses just because I couldn't find a suit before.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, actually trauma.

[Danny Amendola]

No, I'm just saying my culture is not your costume.

[Natalie Joy]

You better take those glasses off right now.

[Nick Viall]

Who else? Who else was it? Megan Thee stallion. She also finds it to be offensive.

[Shannon Bedore]

So there's a clip from when she was in high school because she was a nerd and she actively talks about this, and basically it's her being like. It's a discrimination to nerds everywhere.

[Natalie Joy]

Honestly, we're celebrating nerds today.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Shout out, nerds.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

I mean, I came dressed as myself. I'm a Harry Potter nerd. In real life all day. All of this is my own potter.

[Shannon Bedore]

Nerds would call themselves potterheads.

[Natalie Joy]

So potterhead.

[Whitney Carson]

I am a potter head.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, do you know what is heartbreaking?

[Nick Viall]

What?

[Natalie Joy]

Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz ended their engagement.

[Nick Viall]

You know who's not heartbroken about it? Jenna Dewan. Oh, he was the one who wrote Hahaha.

[Whitney Carson]

He was the one, yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Wait, what?

[Whitney Carson]

I took it a step further in the petty department.

[Shannon Bedore]

He posted on his Instagram story. Hahaha.

[Whitney Carson]

All he posted the day it was announced. Just a black screen, white font.

[Nick Viall]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Aren't they trying to get his money?

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, they're suing for Magic Mike money.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Danny Amendola]

I think some people need to utilize that little close friends. I think that would save a lot of people's asses.

[Natalie Joy]

That 100%. You are right.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

That was a close friends post for sure.

[Shannon Bedore]

I think he was being tickled by J and happened to have his phone.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Out and he was like this.

[Natalie Joy]

Haha. Went on, first of all, can I see it?

[Danny Amendola]

If he was being tickled out of his crazy.

[Natalie Joy]

Maybe he did all caps and it went on for forever.

[Nick Viall]

That's crazy.

[Natalie Joy]

At some point while he's writing. At some point while he's writing that Jenna had to be like, who are you texting? What are you doing? Because it went on for so long.

[Shannon Bedore]

They both did that together.

[Whitney Carson]

Probably she was over his shoulder.

[Shannon Bedore]

No, they for sure were looking at. They're like, yes, let's. One more line. Perfect.

[Whitney Carson]

I'm sure she follows him and saw it too.

[Nick Viall]

Back to like, why is he trying to get his money? I mean, I know they were married and everything, but like Magic Mike, they got divorced how long ago?

[Shannon Bedore]

I remember we talked about it.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, him and Zoe have been together for three years, so like five.

[Whitney Carson]

That's the thing. That's what I was confused about because I don't think she worked on Magic Mike. They might have been married during the first one. But like it's like she wants.

[Shannon Bedore]

April 2nd of 2018 is when they announced they were separating six years ago.

[Whitney Carson]

But she wants like money that I think he didn't disclose for the divorce based off of like what she knows that he made off of Magic Mike. I could be wrong, but I'm just.

[Shannon Bedore]

Kind of a traditional, like when you become famous, prenup conversation.

[Whitney Carson]

Well, also Magic Mike also went to like do a live show in Vegas that's making a shit ton of money.

[Nick Viall]

Like they have a kid together, they're co parenting together. Why Is he writing?

[Natalie Joy]

That's pretty gross.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

Also like why I, I think that would be such an ick to have a fiance that's that obsessed with my ex husband.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. It's like, aren't you just wishing like I don't know, for the father of your child to be happy? You know, it's a weird thing to like be so like, it's so funny that the father of your child's like engagement ended like and, and like I.

[Nick Viall]

Don'T know Jenna Dewan's personal finances, but I'm pretty sure like she's rich.

[Whitney Carson]

She's fine in the grand scheme of things. But I guess anybody could be richer.

[Danny Amendola]

Maybe they just didn't like the movie that Joey Kravitz directed.

[Natalie Joy]

Bling twice.

[Nick Viall]

We have to watch that.

[Whitney Carson]

Is it good? I thought it was a very awesome original idea. A great depiction of what happens at elite parties without it being this exaggerated. Everyone's in cloaks and masks kind of thing. It's just kind of what the rich get up to. It's dark and it's a little uncomfortable. But she did an amazing job. An amazing job for her directorial debut.

[Nick Viall]

Did she break it off? Do we know or they don't know? Joint statement.

[Natalie Joy]

There hasn't been a source close.

[Whitney Carson]

A source close has not confirmed who did the dumping.

[Natalie Joy]

Interesting.

[Danny Amendola]

I want to see the ex wife and her husband. Fiances.

[Shannon Bedore]

Jenna and Wait, that's right.

[Nick Viall]

Shannon had a whole full on relationship with someone in between.

[Whitney Carson]

Jesse J. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And they weren't engaged. They broke up. Then they got back together, broke up again and then he started dating Zoe. I mean it's been a minute since him and Jenna.

[Shannon Bedore]

I think if Jenna and them get mine almost a decade. I think if they, if Jenna gets money out of the Magic Mike of it all. As a kid of divorce, I think that money should primarily go to the child. That's my take.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Which I'm. I'm going to go ahead and guess that Channing is, is taking care of his daughter a thousand percent, you know.

[Shannon Bedore]

So there's definitely some support in there probably.

[Whitney Carson]

But yeah, no, I'm really sad about this breakup because I really like them as a couple.

[Danny Amendola]

They were a really hot couple.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

And cute. They seem to get each other, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I hate that. Do you think that still people having a kid together for us just to.

[Whitney Carson]

Make more beauty in the world.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Just like for us. For us.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I think that's why else are we sad? I mean we want to see them.

[Shannon Bedore]

More Nepo babies They make together the Nepo universe.

[Danny Amendola]

A Nepo baby has a Nepo. Wow. We haven't seen levels like that since. Billy Lord, granddaughter of a Nepo baby.

[Nick Viall]

Who?

[Danny Amendola]

Billy Lord?

[Nick Viall]

Who's. Who's the. Who's the.

[Danny Amendola]

Billy Lord's mom is Carrie Fisher. Carrie Fisher's mom is Debbie Reynolds.

[Nick Viall]

Billie Lord's mom is Carrie Fisher.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Have you not seen her? Like, extremely touching. Like, she'll post, like, on the anniversary.

[Nick Viall]

I obviously am outing myself as not following Billie Lord.

[Danny Amendola]

Oh, I love Billie Lorde. I love Carrie Fisher. I love Debbie Reynolds. It's like a really good.

[Nick Viall]

Where does Debbie Reynolds fit into this?

[Whitney Carson]

That's her grandma.

[Danny Amendola]

Debbie Reynolds is Carrie Fisher's mom. There's actually an amazing movie with Meryl Streep, Halloween Town.

[Nick Viall]

Debbie Reynolds.

[Danny Amendola]

Debbie Reynolds was in Halloween Town where Star Wars. It's Meryl streep and Shirley MacLaine basically are playing Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds in this movie that Carrie Fisher wrote about, like, her getting sober and having the, like, go back and live with her mom.

[Shannon Bedore]

And Billy Lord's an actor too. Actress, right?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

She was at Sarah and Wells's wedding that we hung out with.

[Natalie Joy]

That's Debbie.

[Nick Viall]

Debbie Ryan.

[Shannon Bedore]

Oh, my God. But Debbie.

[Danny Amendola]

Debbie Reynolds wasn't singing in the rain.

[Natalie Joy]

You think Debbie Ryan is a grandma to Billy Lord?

[Nick Viall]

I'm just trying to keep up, Nick.

[Shannon Bedore]

Debbie Letterbox iconic, though.

[Nick Viall]

A what?

[Shannon Bedore]

Don't download that.

[Danny Amendola]

A letterbox.

[Nick Viall]

What's that?

[Danny Amendola]

You review movies and you like.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's for movie nerds.

[Danny Amendola]

Okay, sorry.

[Nick Viall]

Well, everyone's looking at me like I'm stupid.

[Natalie Joy]

I've never heard of letterbox.

[Shannon Bedore]

It is for movie nerds.

[Danny Amendola]

If you love movies, you watch a movie and then go on. You go on letterboxd. You can, like, give it however many stars or whatever you want, and then you can, like, leave a little review and you can look at everyone else's reviews. You can follow your friends, see what movies.

[Shannon Bedore]

Social media for people that are obsessed with movies.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

So you interact with.

[Nick Viall]

And how is different than like, Rotten Tomato because.

[Shannon Bedore]

Or these are normal people. So this is just like Rotten Tomatoes you would think are like people who know what they're talking about, you know? But this is like the social media.

[Nick Viall]

Version of it isn't Rotten Tomatoes. That too.

[Whitney Carson]

I don't trust Rotten Tomatoes, though.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah, I don't trust it.

[Nick Viall]

Well, they have a critic score and then they have like a normie score.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. It's basically if the normie score was like an app.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's a social media.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Danny Amendola]

It's really fun.

[Shannon Bedore]

Did you see that the Menendez brothers might be home by Thanksgiving?

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's what their lawyer is hoping for. I was just. The most shocking part of this story was realizing that Mark Garrigo, he was in his 30s when he was defending them back in the day, around 35, I believe. He looked every bit of 60 back then.

[Shannon Bedore]

I think that was just the style, maybe. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I'm not. I'm not trying to age him or anything like that. It just was. I think we just aged differently back in the day.

[Whitney Carson]

Oh, yeah. I'm like, if you look at, like, a yearbook from the 80s, everybody looks like they're taking their employee photo.

[Shannon Bedore]

We've talked. We've talked about this, though, like, because little kids now look so much older.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

You know, so I think we just look older and different versions.

[Natalie Joy]

What is your Gen X? It's Gen X. I'm a millennial.

[Nick Viall]

I'm a senior millennial.

[Shannon Bedore]

Oops.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I'm the first Patient Zero millennial.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay, so it's like. It's like Gen X aging badly. And then sunscreen was created.

[Shannon Bedore]

So millennials had the sunscreen kind of.

[Whitney Carson]

And preservatives. I think we eat the right amount of preservatives.

[Danny Amendola]

Microplastics.

[Natalie Joy]

And then now I think Gen Z is full organic. Gen Alpha.

[Shannon Bedore]

Well, more gen.

[Nick Viall]

I think they're all processed.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gen Alpha.

[Shannon Bedore]

More Gen Alpha.

[Natalie Joy]

It's Gen Alpha.

[Shannon Bedore]

Gen Z. We're still a little normal.

[Natalie Joy]

Jennifer Alpha. She is there. She's. She's aging them the same way that Gen X was.

[Shannon Bedore]

She gave them.

[Whitney Carson]

I feel like it's like the organic food. No preservatives, no nothing. They're just, like, for Gen Alpha, and that's why y'all are living.

[Danny Amendola]

But they're filled with microplastics.

[Natalie Joy]

Sometimes you need to eat a honey bun, you know, like, oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Are those still a thing? You know, those were all the craze.

[Danny Amendola]

When I was at every gas station.

[Natalie Joy]

Ever, my economics teacher would tell me that there was, well fat in them.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah, that's what makes them so good.

[Whitney Carson]

I'm also joking about the preservatives. I don't know that for a fact. I'm just thinking that.

[Nick Viall]

We don't know that.

[Whitney Carson]

That's my scientific.

[Danny Amendola]

You guys were only dressed up as nerds.

[Whitney Carson]

Someone's gonna be like, yeah, we're not actual nerds.

[Nick Viall]

Please. I just, you know, psa. I hope. Well, I appreciate you all listening to the show. I hope you're not Coming to the show for any facts or information.

[Shannon Bedore]

Someone did DM me and say, you should put me through law school, though, because of what I said last episode.

[Natalie Joy]

What did you say?

[Shannon Bedore]

Last episode where you were like, he's petitioning. And I was like, well, so it means it's up to the court. And you guys are like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then the definition was literally what I said, just in more specific terms.

[Whitney Carson]

You're the smartest one on the couch.

[Shannon Bedore]

So they're like, you should put. They said, you should put me through court so that I can be the consultant. Or not. Court. Law school.

[Natalie Joy]

Law school. Law school. So you want to leave the VAL files and go to law school?

[Shannon Bedore]

What could it simultaneously. A little paralegal action.

[Danny Amendola]

Paralegal Brockovich.

[Nick Viall]

Listen, I would never.

[Shannon Bedore]

I would never. For the record, I can't do that.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

On the topic of snacks, though, I'm not going to let this die.

[Nick Viall]

Give me your Timbit, or whatever the fuck it is called.

[Shannon Bedore]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Tim Tam. Tam. So basically, Tim Tam. Tim, do you.

[Shannon Bedore]

One of our lovely listeners, Danny Jackson from Australia, heard our Tim Tam conversation.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you.

[Shannon Bedore]

Danny sent us a box of Australian snacks in front of us. I have the Vegemite on toast and Tim Tam, so for sure you're trying.

[Nick Viall]

How do you need the Vegemite?

[Shannon Bedore]

Can you at least fake it? Like, act like you're. I think I've had it before, but you don't know.

[Nick Viall]

It looks.

[Whitney Carson]

Just give it a little nib.

[Shannon Bedore]

Grab a Tim Tam and a Vegem Tam. The Tim Tam you'll for sure love. That's pure chocolate and biscuit.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

So do the toast first.

[Shannon Bedore]

Do the toast first.

[Nick Viall]

I'm not doing the vegetable.

[Whitney Carson]

And you still took the smallest bite.

[Nick Viall]

Of a Tim Tam and it tastes like a KitKat.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah, kind of. Okay, well, I'm going to try the Vegemite.

[Danny Amendola]

I'll try the Vegemite, too.

[Tamra Judge]

Ooh, ooh.

[Nick Viall]

The Vegemite is really salty.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, I'm good on that.

[Danny Amendola]

Oh, whoa.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't like.

[Whitney Carson]

I'll do the Tim Tam.

[Shannon Bedore]

I don't mind the Vegemite.

[Natalie Joy]

I think you might have just only gotten toast.

[Shannon Bedore]

I got the salt.

[Nick Viall]

You look like you're gay. Oh, my God, it's so salty to me.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, not a bite because I had to Squidward.

[Danny Amendola]

It tastes like you dumped a bunch of. You know what?

[Shannon Bedore]

For my Australian people out there. Give it back.

[Nick Viall]

Tim Tam. Tim Tam's good. Tim Tam's good.

[Shannon Bedore]

The Vegemite tastes like if you took a top Ramen, packet of seasoning, and, like, dumped it on a piece of toast.

[Danny Amendola]

Yes, it does.

[Nick Viall]

Wow, look.

[Shannon Bedore]

Look at this giant taste.

[Danny Amendola]

The Tim tam is delicious.

[Shannon Bedore]

You see this, Natalie?

[Whitney Carson]

That was so graceful.

[Shannon Bedore]

Delicious.

[Natalie Joy]

How are you feeling?

[Shannon Bedore]

It tastes like soy sauce.

[Nick Viall]

You look sick.

[Natalie Joy]

Soy sauce. You do. Are you okay?

[Shannon Bedore]

I'm good.

[Natalie Joy]

Keep chewing, Keep chewing.

[Nick Viall]

He looks away.

[Shannon Bedore]

That's good.

[Nick Viall]

You're getting more and more dehydrated as you eat this.

[Shannon Bedore]

This is very salty. I will say it's good.

[Natalie Joy]

Sierra and our lovely Australians eat this in the morning. This is like a breakfast food.

[Shannon Bedore]

I'm not educated, but every show that I've seen, Bachelor, Sick, that takes place in Australia. It's always Vegemite.

[Whitney Carson]

Wait, isn't that I Love Lucy?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

Kind of burns the tongue.

[Whitney Carson]

Yes. That one's not for me. But the Tim Tam tams are good, though.

[Shannon Bedore]

We have a whole pack for you, Nick, to take home. Another topic. Did you see that if your airline is delayed by three hours for domestic flights or six hours for international flights, you can get a refund? Full cash refund.

[Nick Viall]

That's crazy. Yeah, full refund.

[Shannon Bedore]

So this was just made active recently and basically I'm. What? I said, if your flight is delayed, the flights are required to give you a cash refund.

[Nick Viall]

But do you still get on the flight?

[Shannon Bedore]

I understand it as you either choose the flight or you choose the refund, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So if your flight's delayed three and a half hours, you can just opt out.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah, I would assume.

[Nick Viall]

But who would do that? Yeah, I would do it.

[Shannon Bedore]

I would take the money and just get a cheaper flight later.

[Nick Viall]

What if it's not cheaper? And what if you have a place to.

[Natalie Joy]

What if it's more expensive?

[Shannon Bedore]

I would take the refund and be like, you set me up. Give me more.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Justin has incredible follow through.

[Shannon Bedore]

I will say I did. Wait a minute.

[Nick Viall]

Even. Even to his own demise.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

We've learned you have the heart of a scammer.

[Shannon Bedore]

I don't scam.

[Nick Viall]

I just anti.

[Shannon Bedore]

I get what I'm anti. I guess if I pay for it.

[Danny Amendola]

I'm the perseverance of a scam. Like, you would make a great scammer if that's what you chose to do. But you've gone down a good path.

[Shannon Bedore]

And Nick is for the people listening. Nick is saying this because on plus I told him how I had a war with Black Strap.

[Nick Viall]

For those who don't know.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yes. I had a war with Black and Decker because they scammed me.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

And I reported that into the better business.

[Nick Viall]

He got in a fight with Black and Decker when all he had to do is just reach out to him.

[Shannon Bedore]

Call Amazon, and I did. But I also got compensated through Black.

[Nick Viall]

And Decker, too, four months later.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah, true. That is true.

[Whitney Carson]

Did you get compensated by Amazon as well?

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

So you did scam?

[Shannon Bedore]

I did scam.

[Nick Viall]

Wait, you got a double dip.

[Whitney Carson]

Twice.

[Nick Viall]

You failed. I didn't disclose that information, Justin.

[Shannon Bedore]

Amazon was like, here's a refund so you can buy the piece. I bought the piece, but because I reported Black and Decker to Better Business Bureau, they were like, the bbb. The bbb. They basically were like, you know what? We're going to refund the money you spent on that piece. So I got, like, double. No, I just got the money back. So basically, I didn't spend anything. I got what Amazon gave me.

[Whitney Carson]

What did you get? So you made money?

[Shannon Bedore]

No. Well, yeah, I did make money.

[Whitney Carson]

That's scam.

[Shannon Bedore]

Well, I had to buy the piece anyways. I had to buy the piece. It just was not as expensive.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think if you had all the resources in the world, you could be dangerous in a good way?

[Shannon Bedore]

No, I think I would.

[Nick Viall]

You could you be a fixer?

[Shannon Bedore]

I would reallocate.

[Nick Viall]

Like, if I were a billionaire and I was like, you know what I need in my life? I need a fixer. You know, like, every, like, rich person has a person who, like, fixes things and, like, does things behind the scenes.

[Shannon Bedore]

But I'm the rich person.

[Nick Viall]

No. Well, no, you're the fixer.

[Shannon Bedore]

How much are you paying?

[Whitney Carson]

Did you watch Scandal Unlimited?

[Shannon Bedore]

I watched Scandal on how to go.

[Whitney Carson]

With, like, his Olivia Pope.

[Shannon Bedore]

Olivia Pope was the reason I wanted to go to law school.

[Nick Viall]

You want to go to law school?

[Shannon Bedore]

No, I wanted to. I rested that case.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, I object.

[Shannon Bedore]

No longer.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. What, like, it's hard?

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

Anyways, we were talking about the airlines before, and Nick raised a point that it was like, if you get the refund and still get to take the flight, then every corporation would just, like, send the flight off, regardless if it was safe or not.

[Nick Viall]

Corporate America. I don't think they care about us.

[Natalie Joy]

So real, you think that's probably true. I did chase one of our neighbors yesterday.

[Whitney Carson]

Oh, for what?

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Amendola]

On foot. On.

[Natalie Joy]

The video.

[Nick Viall]

We have the video.

[Shannon Bedore]

No, see, that's the thing. It's always the footage.

[Nick Viall]

I will say, should we post this?

[Whitney Carson]

Maybe I want to hear it first.

[Natalie Joy]

It was around 3:50 in the afternoon, and I said, river, let's go check the mail, honey. And we Go outside. We check the mail. We go back inside. Ten minutes later, Nick text like, oh, I'm almost home. So I'm like, oh, Rivi, let's go greet daddy out front. We go outside. There is the biggest pile of shit on our driveway.

[Shannon Bedore]

Like, dog.

[Natalie Joy]

I honestly could have been human. It like, it was the biggest. It was crazy. It was the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I was like, did someone just come and shit on our driveway? And then I thought it was. Did you tell the story about the woman at the park? Anyways, I thought it was the woman. I thought it was the woman from the park.

[Nick Viall]

Who was.

[Whitney Carson]

I followed you home.

[Natalie Joy]

I followed us home and put. Yeah. So then I'm like, who? So then I try. I check our camera.

[Shannon Bedore]

It was on the grass or it was on, like, the actual pavement.

[Natalie Joy]

Our actual driveway.

[Shannon Bedore]

See, that's unhinged for.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, my car would have backed up and would have everywhere. So then I check our cameras. I couldn't see it from our. The camera angle. It was in a weird spot. You know what I'm saying? So I go to my neighbor, who has a clear, direct view of our drive, and I'm like, listen, buddy, I need your camera footage. So we're looking through, and it's a man with two golden retrievers. And he lets his golden retriever take a dump on our dog. And then he realizes that he's. The dog's taking a dump, and he looks away, looks at the camera, and then is like, I'm gonna act like I don't know this is happening. So he's looking around, scratching his head. The other dog then goes around and smells it, and then he walks off and leaves.

[Shannon Bedore]

That's so bad.

[Natalie Joy]

While wearing a neon orange jacket and a green hat with two golden retrievers. So I'm like, oh, you're gonna be easy to spot. So then I'm like, now he gets in her car. I need to get in my car. I need to go find this.

[Nick Viall]

I was driving around the block looking for this man.

[Natalie Joy]

I think he, like, I think he must have lived close and ran into his house. But I know what he looks like, and I know what his dogs look like, and I won't let this die.

[Whitney Carson]

Where did the turd go?

[Natalie Joy]

So whenever I was talking to my neighbor, he had a friend who was, like, walking up to the house, and I was like, will you grab?

[Shannon Bedore]

You're busy.

[Natalie Joy]

I was busy. I was working. And so then this friend comes over, and he picks it up and puts it in the trash can. And then Nick pulled up as soon as he put in the trash can, and my neighbor was like, ah, we should have shown Nick. And I was like.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, no, I believe you guys.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Big piece of.

[Danny Amendola]

I respect you're giving Claire Dunphy. It's very Claire Dunphy.

[Natalie Joy]

Who's Claire?

[Whitney Carson]

Modern Family. Modern Family Stairs mom on the show. Julie Bowen.

[Danny Amendola]

Julie Bowen.

[Natalie Joy]

But is. That's good thing?

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

She is lady house boots.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes. I feel like I. I don't. I keep saying Karen era, but I don't think it's Karen because it's not like, I'll like her daughter Julie.

[Shannon Bedore]

I don't think she's Karen either.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm not like, I'll talk to your manager. I'm like, I'll you up.

[Shannon Bedore]

Nick called me a Karen, too.

[Nick Viall]

It's fairness.

[Natalie Joy]

It's just like, you know, like, whatever.

[Nick Viall]

I think Karen is more like if you're in the wrong in an overreaction situation, like that person at the park who we. We told this story on plus. But, like, yeah, we were at the park, and some lady. I don't even want to tell her.

[Shannon Bedore]

She went out of her way to address you guys.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, she. Yeah, it was. It was ridiculous.

[Nick Viall]

But no, she said, my son wants.

[Natalie Joy]

To play here and wanted us to move with our dogs. And I was like, ma'am, this is a large park. Please find somewhere else to such a. Like, that's ridiculous. Where we have. We have blankets out. We have our baby. We're throwing fetch with our dogs, and you want us to pack up and move. Sorry, but I felt like that was a Karen moment. She was the Karen.

[Nick Viall]

She was. Definitely.

[Shannon Bedore]

She brought up the law.

[Natalie Joy]

She brought up the law.

[Shannon Bedore]

That's what I think. If you bring up the law or rules, you're the Karen.

[Natalie Joy]

Absolutely.

[Danny Amendola]

It's very Lisa Bar. What do we call Lisa Barlow? A Karen.

[Nick Viall]

Good point. Yes.

[Shannon Bedore]

But I respect her Karen because she's using.

[Nick Viall]

Why are you so obsessed with Lisa Barlow?

[Shannon Bedore]

I'm not. I just respect her knowledge of using the law.

[Danny Amendola]

As a former person who wanted to go to law school, Justin appreciates her knowledge of the law.

[Shannon Bedore]

She just. I respect her because she overreacts, and I acknowledge that's her.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Shannon Bedore]

Also, her and Sutton recently spoke out to Hayu about, like, their support of the LGBTQIA community, and I very much respect that, too.

[Nick Viall]

For sure.

[Shannon Bedore]

So she's. She has a lot of glorifying parts.

[Natalie Joy]

Of her personality, and most Karens don't.

[Shannon Bedore]

Most Karens Don't. But also someone pooping and not scooping it.

[Natalie Joy]

That's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

And then I was driving. I mean, we felt targeted.

[Natalie Joy]

I did. And then I was like, I wonder if, like, maybe he left and he's like, gonna come back with like a bag. Like, drop the dogs off. Come. Maybe he didn't have a poop bag with him.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm like, giving him all the benefit of the doubts, then. I'm watching. He never shows back up. He never shows back up. And it'd be like, oh, poop's not there. If that were me, I would have knocked on the door and I would have been like, I'm so sorry, I don't have any bags. My dog just took a giant shit in your driveway and I'm going to run home. Do you have. If you don't have a bag, I'm going to run home, I'm going to get. I'm going to pick it up. But like, net just. He disappeared. And now I know what he looks like. And now I know what his. Yes. The look around, the look in the camera.

[Shannon Bedore]

Also letting him do.

[Natalie Joy]

It's crazy.

[Shannon Bedore]

You can move your dog over to the side. Letting him do it on the driveway, not the grass. Also unhinged.

[Natalie Joy]

Exactly. It was. It was. Yeah. It was a moment where I was like, I won't let this die. I also chased a solicitor the other day because I have a sign that says no soliciting. And they knocked and they came to.

[Shannon Bedore]

The door and it was a girl.

[Natalie Joy]

Dogs barked. No, it wasn't auto. Girl Scout.

[Whitney Carson]

A girl.

[Nick Viall]

Scott.

[Natalie Joy]

I would have let it pass. It was someone being like, I am one for the children. Hello. It was someone being like, you know, if you're looking to sell your house, we have people who want to buy. I don't give a fuck. I'm not sure if I wanted to sell my house. Bitch. I'd have a for sale sign. Okay. And they come to the door, the dogs bark. It wakes up my baby. Now I'm pissed. Now I'm angry. I have a crying baby. I go outside and she's like, ah.

[Nick Viall]

Do you have a question?

[Natalie Joy]

And I was like, I actually do have a question. I have a sign that says no soliciting. And yet someone still came up to my door and solicited. And they're like, oh, we're just trying to do our job. I get it.

[Shannon Bedore]

But like, children can't read, but maybe.

[Natalie Joy]

Let'S not go to the front doors of people who have sign. So I am. I'm it's those things that are starting to piss me off as a mother. And the people who speed through the neighborhood. I. I've been.

[Danny Amendola]

That's literally that I was talking about.

[Whitney Carson]

Is it slowly dry, kids safe.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Phil's trying to sell a house to this woman who, like, keeps speeding through the driveway. And, like.

[Nick Viall]

And Claire's so mad.

[Natalie Joy]

Claire's making signs.

[Whitney Carson]

She's in the street chasing down the car. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Definitely in her.

[Whitney Carson]

I'm going to send you that episode for sure.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, that's me. Like, there's kids here. As people, like, speed by.

[Nick Viall]

I actually respect the ignoring. The no soliciting sign. As a former salesperson, respect or ignore it.

[Natalie Joy]

He respects the ignoring.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

If they're children.

[Nick Viall]

No, I mean, listen, you can't call.

[Shannon Bedore]

Nicole calls you this.

[Nick Viall]

Someone who's been.

[Danny Amendola]

I want a no soliciting sign for.

[Nick Viall]

You know, you miss 100% of the shots. You don't. I do.

[Shannon Bedore]

I do agree.

[Nick Viall]

And it's.

[Natalie Joy]

Listen. And I.

[Nick Viall]

You gotta have thick skin if you're gonna knock on some doors.

[Natalie Joy]

But I also understand, like, I am an influencer. I'm soliciting to people who honestly probably don't want to be solicited some of the time.

[Nick Viall]

But that's different.

[Natalie Joy]

It is different. Thank you. It is different, but it's more so like Instagram.

[Danny Amendola]

You can't close the door.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

They don't have to follow.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

You know what? Yeah. Yeah, I take that back.

[Danny Amendola]

Unfollowing is a lot cheaper than moving.

[Natalie Joy]

That's so true.

[Whitney Carson]

To be fair, you don't have to follow Natalie to see her. She's just like colostrum arma, Period.

[Nick Viall]

Literally, period.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm trying to let the people know.

[Whitney Carson]

You'Re on every other slide.

[Natalie Joy]

This shit's good.

[Shannon Bedore]

Southern charm is also good with the new season.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, it is good.

[Nick Viall]

Very excited it's coming. When does it come out? December.

[Whitney Carson]

December 5th.

[Nick Viall]

We'll be talking about that. And what's his name, X Sexters on it.

[Shannon Bedore]

Well, so we have new cast members, Sally Carson and Molly O'Connell as friends.

[Natalie Joy]

And why does the name Sally Carson sound familiar? Was she on Bachelor? Was that the girl on, like, Clayton season who left day one?

[Shannon Bedore]

One of them's on the Bachelor's.

[Nick Viall]

I think it was that her. The one who showed up. Left. Showed up again for Paradise. Left again.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. Isn't that.

[Shannon Bedore]

She was on Clayton's season of the Bachelor.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What? Nice callback.

[Natalie Joy]

I was like, she's from Charleston. Familiar. And now. Okay, so now do you Think she's.

[Nick Viall]

Gonna show up and leave again?

[Shannon Bedore]

She'll bring a rose.

[Natalie Joy]

Interesting.

[Whitney Carson]

Is she the one?

[Nick Viall]

Is she the sexter?

[Whitney Carson]

No, no. I think she might be the one that hooks up Jesse. Somebody hooks up with Jesse Solomon this season.

[Shannon Bedore]

Well, it's not Jesse.

[Whitney Carson]

Oh, that's no fuck show. I'm on the wrong show.

[Nick Viall]

I'm on the wrong show.

[Whitney Carson]

I'm on the wrong show.

[Nick Viall]

But they do crossover. Crossover. They have crossovers.

[Shannon Bedore]

So basically, Molly is used to sex Craig back in the day. Craig is dating Paige Summer house. So there was a crossover.

[Natalie Joy]

And this is like Molly's storyline as I used to.

[Whitney Carson]

Molly used to sex with Craig.

[Natalie Joy]

She wants to go toe to toe with.

[Whitney Carson]

She's in the trailer saying, it's not like I'm gonna steal him away from Paige.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, boy.

[Danny Amendola]

Do you think Paige.

[Whitney Carson]

Paige gives zero powerful.

[Shannon Bedore]

She's like, okay, next.

[Whitney Carson]

Paige is the type of bitch that's like, if you could take him, he can leave.

[Danny Amendola]

Like, I've never watched.

[Nick Viall]

I guess your nudes couldn't close the deal.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, right.

[Danny Amendola]

But I know who Paige disorder.

[Shannon Bedore]

Just snap a finger.

[Natalie Joy]

So, like, do we think Paige should have been a housewife instead of Brynn?

[Whitney Carson]

I've been seeing that and I would love that. But I'm also kind of like, I. I still feel like Paige is too young versus, like with the other women, even though she is kind of. Aaron's 30.

[Shannon Bedore]

How old is Paige?

[Nick Viall]

Well, Aaron gives older, early 30s.

[Shannon Bedore]

So Raquel, when she joined from New Jersey, wasn't she in her young or young 30s or late 20s?

[Whitney Carson]

I feel like the youngest housewife was like 38.

[Tamra Judge]

She's the youngest.

[Shannon Bedore]

Rachel Fooda.

[Nick Viall]

Brynn is 38.

[Natalie Joy]

How old's Rachel?

[Shannon Bedore]

Rachel Food is 33, but she joined like 30 or 29.

[Natalie Joy]

Damn.

[Shannon Bedore]

Okay, so she's the youngest all time housewife. So Paige could have been.

[Whitney Carson]

But I would have loved Paige on Housewives, to be honest. Yeah, she'd bring like the nice, the humor, that wit, that like light heartedness or like, oh, my God, you guys, stop your. So seriously.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah, her and Jenna would have a really good.

[Whitney Carson]

Like, they have a lot of back.

[Nick Viall]

But I not well, get into. I just feel like there's too much getting along on Roni, honestly. They all seem lovely. The cast of Roni, it's just like they all seem kind of like nice and normal and cool and I want to be friends with all of them.

[Shannon Bedore]

And it's just like they seem like real people. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Unprobably.

[Danny Amendola]

They need to be monsters.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. It's like, classy in a way.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, well, we were kind of talking about that before we started filming because the original Roni, the whole, like, appeal of it was that these women were so rich and so, like, aloof about it that, like, the edits kind of almost made fun of how wealthy and out of touch they are. Whereas this cast is very grounded, but you really don't know, outside of Jenna Lyons, like, who's wealthy, like, what ball field we're playing in. You know what I mean? Whereas, like, we had Sonya Morgan, who is from, like, the Morgan family, married into the Morgan family. You have Ramona, who's completely delusional.

[Shannon Bedore]

Luanne, who was a countess.

[Whitney Carson]

Countess, yeah. Like, whereas this cast missed those days. You know what I mean? And this Casper, like, like, we're. I'm doing good. I don't know how much better you're.

[Nick Viall]

Doing than emotional moments where you're really endeared to them, you know, just like this episode, you know, her mom passing. It's just like, I don't want to.

[Shannon Bedore]

I want to see that.

[Nick Viall]

I don't want to be mean to any one of these people.

[Shannon Bedore]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, not even mean, but it's just, like, they make it too easy to want to see the good in all this entire cast.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. I think they're trying to do, like, something different, which is, like, actual, like, you actually want to be these people instead of, like, you want to kind of make fun of these people, which I feel like is what Housewives are.

[Shannon Bedore]

They're trying to do what they were trying to do.

[Danny Amendola]

Actual aspiration.

[Shannon Bedore]

They were trying. They're trying to do now what they were trying to do with Leah McSweeney with the Yoji cast, which is bringing in younger, less like uber rich people, but more realistic people. And then Leah McSweeney. And, yeah, I love Liam McSweeney.

[Danny Amendola]

I love Leah.

[Whitney Carson]

But you know what? I think we do all love just, like, a big character on Housewives, especially Rihanna, following Bronwyn.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Dude.

[Danny Amendola]

What a big day for Bronwyn Twin.

[Shannon Bedore]

I share the same Instagram page now.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Cool. Celebrity that follows you.

[Shannon Bedore]

Nick Viall.

[Nick Viall]

That can't be possible. Do I follow you? Wow.

[Shannon Bedore]

Wow. I'm gonna unfollow.

[Natalie Joy]

Who's the coolest person that follows you, Nick.

[Nick Viall]

Ryan Reynolds.

[Natalie Joy]

Ryan Reynolds. That is a good one. That's a really good one.

[Nick Viall]

I may have went, like.

[Natalie Joy]

I do think you cried a little, actually.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was emotional.

[Whitney Carson]

He was not walking around. He was floating. Gliding on cloud nine.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

Me. You Want to be.

[Nick Viall]

You like my content?

[Shannon Bedore]

Did you screenshot?

[Natalie Joy]

No screenshot any of your stories?

[Nick Viall]

I don't know.

[Whitney Carson]

I don't know how to check that. Somebody else does that for me.

[Natalie Joy]

I haven't posted on my own Instagram.

[Nick Viall]

And years I have a handful of times checked to see if he unfollowed me.

[Shannon Bedore]

That's why I said screenshot.

[Whitney Carson]

He's paranoid.

[Natalie Joy]

He's like, was it real?

[Nick Viall]

I was just like, you know, I'm definitely afraid I've been followed and unfollowed before. It happens all the time. And I just was, you know, just.

[Whitney Carson]

So what I need to.

[Nick Viall]

Got it. I'll find you.

[Whitney Carson]

Is every Instagram post going forward?

[Nick Viall]

Everything is about Reynolds.

[Whitney Carson]

Just send it on Thirst Trap for Ryan Reynolds. This is for you wearing his Deadpool.

[Natalie Joy]

That's so funny. We're happy for.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's actually a perfect opportunity for Halloween. Yeah, you should have been Deadpool.

[Nick Viall]

Congratulations to Whitney of Secret Lives. She had her new baby. Yeah, she had a baby.

[Whitney Carson]

Congratulations to Billie Jean Levitt.

[Nick Viall]

Billie Jean.

[Danny Amendola]

Billie Jean.

[Natalie Joy]

Billie Jean. What a name.

[Danny Amendola]

What a name.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Shannon Bedore]

That is. Yeah. That is Michael Jackson's Billie Jean.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And then what? Her and Whitney. Other Whitney.

[Danny Amendola]

Is there a crossover greening?

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah. So there's a movie coming out. A24. I mess up the pronunciation. Heretic.

[Danny Amendola]

Heretic. Heretic.

[Whitney Carson]

Isn't it Heretic?

[Danny Amendola]

Well, that's hereditary here.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's Heretic.

[Shannon Bedore]

Heretic.

[Nick Viall]

What's it. Because that's like. It's a.

[Danny Amendola]

Well, heretic is someone who, like, sins or something. It's.

[Nick Viall]

It's.

[Danny Amendola]

It's.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, sure.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Shannon Bedore]

So basically, A24 has a movie coming out, Heretic. And they're hosting two separate competing screenings of the film Battling of the Whitneys. So, like, one Whitney from Marmon Wise will be at it. One Whitney from Salt Lake City will be at the other one.

[Natalie Joy]

Who do we think's gonna win?

[Shannon Bedore]

Salt Lake City?

[Nick Viall]

Salt Lake City.

[Danny Amendola]

Heretic is a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.

[Nick Viall]

There we go.

[Danny Amendola]

So it's connection to, like, Mormonism. It's about, like, a Mormon Heretic, I think. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

These two Whitneys could not be more different. One is tightly wound and the other one is kind of like.

[Shannon Bedore]

A lot of people compared them.

[Whitney Carson]

I mean, if I had to choose, I'd go to Whitney Rose's in a heartbeat.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

A lot of people said it was the Bob that made them act the way they do the Bob. And I love both of them. And I love both of them.

[Nick Viall]

They do both have a. They seem like very different type of personalities.

[Shannon Bedore]

Oh, I agree. But some would say that that Whitney Mormon wives now is Whitney. When she started back then.

[Danny Amendola]

Whitney has had like a huge translation, really. You know, her healing journey.

[Shannon Bedore]

Healing journey. Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

I love Whitney.

[Nick Viall]

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[Natalie Joy]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Natalie Joy]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Tamra Judge]

Thanks.

[Nick Viall]

It's great to be with you. I haven't seen you in a while.

[Tamra Judge]

How long has it been? Years, like since you're on the show? Six years.

[Nick Viall]

Whitney walked in, I'm like, my wife Natalie's going to come and Whitney was like, you're married?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Thanks for the follow.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm sorry.

[Natalie Joy]

With a kid.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh my gosh.

[Natalie Joy]

With a kid.

[Danny Amendola]

I know.

[Tamra Judge]

I was like, mind blown. That's awesome. Congratulations.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you. Danny, how have you been?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Fantastic.

[Nick Viall]

How's dancing going?

[Joel Kim Booster]

It's amazing. Yeah. So fun. Just learning new stuff every day, all day long. My brain feels like mashed potatoes half. Half the week.

[Nick Viall]

So it's the worst day. The first day after the next week. 100%. Fuck. Another dance?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. Wednesday. Wednesday afternoon is like a very Wednesday and Thursday very stressful for me.

[Nick Viall]

But what was more stressful? Dancing or Special Forces?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Um. Ooh, that's a good question. Are you serious?

[Tamra Judge]

Contemplating Special Forces is insane.

[Nick Viall]

It's a different level of stress though.

[Tamra Judge]

Like, I am not even close to a Navy seal. Like, not even close.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, I think dancing is more stressful.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Why couldn't you win Special Forces, Danny?

[Joel Kim Booster]

What an amazing experience that was.

[Nick Viall]

It was incredible.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I went out there just to jump out of helicopters and you crushed it and do the fun stuff. The missions were great. I tore my rotator cuff fighting Dwight.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, that's right.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

At the end you tore it.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I tore my rotator and my bicep tendon.

[Nick Viall]

So why didn't they like. They mentioned you had an Injury. But they kind of were like, yeah, he's kind of hurt.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I kept it under wraps, and I told the producers. I was like, listen, I could leave right now and feel amazing, or I could try to, you know, stick it out. And they're like, we'll alter the last couple things. And I show up to the last mission, and it was like a. I had to wear a 15 pound weighted vest and swim across this lagoon. And I'm like, you guys didn't change anything.

[Natalie Joy]

You actually made it harder for me.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, 100%. And I, you know, I just sucked it up, got through it. And then the last night was.

[Nick Viall]

Were they torture.

[Joel Kim Booster]

The torture scene. And I had to have my arms on the wall for, like, six hours. And I eventually just couldn't hold my arm up anymore. And I'm like, all right.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, it's right. Yeah, you had to do that. The torn rotator cuff. Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I started smelling the cheeseburgers from the production next door, and I'm like, yo.

[Nick Viall]

I'm out of here.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

We were filming in New Zealand, and. And, like, every mission we went on, we drove through town.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So we were driving through, like, society and, like, all these restaurants and people. And that was the worst part because I was so. Like, I was telling Danny before we started, like, the hardest part is I'm a picky eater. And they. They feed you prison food. Yeah. I don't know how, like.

[Tamra Judge]

So you did Special Forces?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay. I'm just catching up.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Got it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I know you're calling me. It's cool.

[Natalie Joy]

Nick won Special Forces or he completed Special Forces.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

You completed. You passed it, Bob. That's intense.

[Nick Viall]

I went, like, four more hours than Danny, basically. I also didn't have a torn rotator cuff, so it's a little different.

[Joel Kim Booster]

What was your. What was your. Your craziest mission that you did there in your. In your mind?

[Nick Viall]

Well, it was the. We had this boat race that they kind of made up. It was like this. The equivalent of the. When you guys pushed the G, and it was like what felt like four miles of them. Just like you. Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

You had to carry it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And like, you know, you're going maximum effort 100% for the whole time.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, 100%.

[Nick Viall]

Like, that was tough. And I was like, we did well. So I was like. My adrenaline was high, but, like, that depleted my tank.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

And then that night, we had to fight.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

And the next day, they woke us up and did a bee sting, and it was, like, freezing out. And they did one of those courses and we had to like, just like sit in like freezing water. And that's when I got hypothermic.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And that just fucked me up. And I was about to quit. I just suffered for three days.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick Viall]

Just trying to finish. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Wow.

[Natalie Joy]

Did you watch your season back?

[Joel Kim Booster]

I did, yeah. As they came out, I watched them.

[Natalie Joy]

Did you feel like it was a lot harder that you experienced in watching it?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. It didn't depict the level of stress and kind of like depletion they didn't feed you. It was very stressful and it didn't portray on film as much as it did out in the middle of the desert.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Cause part of what was difficult, it was just like it was 18. Like, it was just long days and you can't. That what's made it so hard is that, like, everything lasted forever.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

And it's a 45 minute show and.

[Nick Viall]

Then like, and then they show a two minute clip of you like pushing a jeep and you're like, we did that for three hours. Three hours.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I know. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

That's crazy. But dancing. Yeah. It's a different type of stress.

[Joel Kim Booster]

It is. For me, the whole performance aspect is what I'm learning the most. Like encompassing facial and, you know, posture and actually getting emotionally locked into each dance. You know, the footwork I can get down. It's everything else that's kind of been a struggle or been a challenge. So that's where I'm really kind of trying to hone in and obviously take notes from Whitney and then some of the other guys on the show too.

[Natalie Joy]

So in the nicest way possible. You're surprisingly very good. Yeah, I mean, like every dance you get better and better, which I guess.

[Tamra Judge]

Is the point of it.

[Natalie Joy]

But.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like he is getting better and better, which is. Yeah, exactly. Like, the point of the show is taking somebody that doesn't have any dance experience at all. Because I feel like there are some really good dancers. But the fact that he's like, keeping up is just a testament to how hard we actually really, really work. How long did you last?

[Nick Viall]

Quarterfinals. Top five.

[Tamra Judge]

Top five.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, me and.

[Tamra Judge]

Pretty good. Who was your partner?

[Nick Viall]

PETA. Okay, me. It was a double elimination. Me and Nancy Kerrigan. The Olympic gold.

[Tamra Judge]

Was I on that season? Well, I was a pro. Yeah. Like my celeb. Do you remember? We're gonna have to look back in the archives.

[Nick Viall]

You were definitely on.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I was definitely on. I can't.

[Nick Viall]

I think you were the elimination, though. I think.

[Tamra Judge]

Was it Chris Kattan?

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Tamra Judge]

K. Yeah. Oh, that was a special one. Danny, you've never seen that film?

[Joel Kim Booster]

I haven't seen that film.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Like. Yeah, no.

[Nick Viall]

Well, Danny, since you're a professional football player, we do this thing called VI versus Stats every week, and we figured maybe you could, like. I'm. I'm solo every week picking games while the rest of the team has partners in crime. So you guys down to play Vibe versus Stats with us?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Let's do it.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Whitney, you got this? Yeah, I got it.

[Tamra Judge]

I'll just play it on.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, the packers is next team. Do you have a team that you root for?

[Joel Kim Booster]

No, I don't. Yeah, I played for seven teams.

[Nick Viall]

Wait, wait, let me see if I can get. You played for the Rams. You played for the Patriots.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

All right, well, five more, so we'll be here all night.

[Joel Kim Booster]

So I started out in Dallas.

[Nick Viall]

Did you really?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Undrafted free agent to Dallas. Was on practice squad for a year.

[Nick Viall]

Damn.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Got cut. Went to Philly for a cup of coffee. Went through camp there. Got cut. Put on practice squad my second. My beginning of my second year. Then I got picked up in St. Louis for the Rams for. Ended up being there for four years.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Kind of got a role there. Kind of broke into the league there and then got a contract in New England. Stayed there for five years, and then Super Bowl Championship. Yep.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And then went to Miami, Detroit, and then Houston, and then I coached for the Raiders last year. So that's the ace.

[Nick Viall]

Do you want to maybe get into coaching?

[Joel Kim Booster]

I thought I did, and I'll always have that. You know, my father's a football coach, and, you know, it's only thing I've ever known. It was great. You know, it's. The hours are gnarly in my life right now. I don't want to spend 16 hours a day in the office.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe in the future.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, in the future. Later, down the line.

[Nick Viall]

But the first time I remember, like, knowing who you were. You played for the Rams, and I wonder if you remember it was a game and I think you, like, broke your collarbone or something and you, like, slammed your helmet on the sideline. I'm like, this motherfucker's a badass. I remember that game. Like, this was really cool. Yeah, we played.

[Joel Kim Booster]

That was a Thursday night game versus the Cardinals. And it was. I was going into my contract year and it was like I was having a good season. Kind of beat up the year, and I was really. I really needed to get a contract that year so I could Kind of like, you know, take care of my family. And, you know, it would. It was the next big step in my career, and I broke and I separated my chest. And, yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

In rehearsals, I'm like, get your chest out. He's like, I literally can't. Like, I broke my sternum. Like, okay, so you're a robot.

[Natalie Joy]

And it's like, how do you tell that, like, to the judges, like, fixed your posture? He's like, no, but I can't. So can you grade me on, like, just not being able to.

[Nick Viall]

Bruno's not gonna get.

[Tamra Judge]

They don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, his. He's got, like, a plate in his foot. I'm like, point your foot. He's like, I literally can. It's metal, so.

[Nick Viall]

All right, well, let's. Let's do some Vibe versus Stats. Take it away, Mary.

[Danny Amendola]

All right. We have a very special edition of Vibe vs Stats. This week. It is a mascot dance.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay.

[Danny Amendola]

This week we have the Arizona Cardinals. Sorry. Sorry. To bring the Arizona Cardinals back up.

[Joel Kim Booster]

It's all good.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. We have their mascot, Big Red, versus the Chicago Bears, with Mr. Chicago himself, Staley. Duh Bear.

[Natalie Joy]

He is swaggy.

[Danny Amendola]

I love this guy.

[Natalie Joy]

This bear with the sunglasses and this toxic, super swaggy. Wow.

[Danny Amendola]

How this is going to work is I'm going to show a video of each mascot dancing.

[Whitney Carson]

Okay.

[Danny Amendola]

And with. With dancing knowledge, Vibes is going to decide who would win.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Danny Amendola]

In Dancing with the Stars.

[Nick Viall]

Oh.

[Danny Amendola]

Between these two mascots. And then, you know, knowledge can be knowledgeable.

[Nick Viall]

This is going to be. I can already tell this is going to be good. He's going to Doug. He's going to Dougie.

[Natalie Joy]

This is, like, filmed on someone's BlackBerry. And I know.

[Alexis Bellino]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

I had an incredible time looking at.

[Joel Kim Booster]

This is at the rookie symposium in la.

[Nick Viall]

I love that you know that.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Wow.

[Danny Amendola]

Right?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. How'd you know? I feel like he's.

[Nick Viall]

It's not the best Dougie.

[Tamra Judge]

It's kind of off the music.

[Natalie Joy]

His feet look a little sloppy.

[Tamra Judge]

It's not a proper Dougie, that's for sure.

[Danny Amendola]

Not a proper Doug.

[Tamra Judge]

Listen, he's got some swag.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

He's got rhythm. He can tell.

[Danny Amendola]

He's feeling it. He's into it emotionally. Yes.

[Tamra Judge]

He's not doing it.

[Natalie Joy]

His spirit is there.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

All right.

[Danny Amendola]

And then we have Staley Dubbear.

[Tamra Judge]

Love that.

[Natalie Joy]

The slow zoom. Oh, I die for him.

[Nick Viall]

He uses his hips.

[Natalie Joy]

I would die for him.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay. Love the footwork.

[Natalie Joy]

I love how the belly moved. Oh, my God.

[Danny Amendola]

Wait.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, My God.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Well, his belly's connected to his booty.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

He is absolutely on this Cardinal.

[Nick Viall]

He's.

[Natalie Joy]

He's got like.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that was so good.

[Danny Amendola]

So, yeah, I think, I mean, Chicago's a music town.

[Nick Viall]

So true.

[Danny Amendola]

He has it in his blood.

[Natalie Joy]

He has no excuse.

[Nick Viall]

The Arizona Cardinals team doesn't really have any vibes kind of period. Their game history is kind lane.

[Joel Kim Booster]

They. Yeah, they've been struggling the past few years, but, you know, formerly up.

[Nick Viall]

The Cardinals used to be the Chicago Cardinals. Did you know that?

[Danny Amendola]

No, I did not. That's crazy. Oh, so they lost all their vibes when they moved to Arizona?

[Nick Viall]

I don't know.

[Natalie Joy]

So do you feel like you need to pick the Cardinals because you have some underlying loyalty there or are you like.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I don't. I don't have any loyalty to the Cardinals. I don't have much loyalty to any team. I love the Patriots because we won some Super Bowls together and I have a brotherhood there. But I love the Chicago Bears jerseys, so I would definitely pick the Bears in this one.

[Natalie Joy]

It's feeling like a vibe choice and I'm with it.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm with it, too. Yeah, I think the Bear took it.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I wonder where they're playing the game.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Where are they playing?

[Danny Amendola]

They're playing in Arizona, in az.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, that might be a. I might be leaning towards the Cardinals just to win the game. And overall stats, I feel like.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Feeling big red to go. I think we should go Cardinals.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. They have an experienced quarterback. Anytime you have a rookie quarterback with, with Caleb Williams in the, you know, in Chicago, it's going to be tough. He's a great quarterback. It just takes. Takes two or three years for a rookie to kind of get acclimated with the NFL system. So if I was a betting man, I would go Cardinals for the actual game.

[Nick Viall]

If we're talking Cardinals.

[Danny Amendola]

Would this, this change your opinion though, to watch the Chicago Bears in 1985 do the super bowl shuffle?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Absolutely. They were, they were undefeated.

[Nick Viall]

They were. That team was so good.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, stop it.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Who is number 72?

[Nick Viall]

Nick, do you remember him? 72. The fridge.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Fridge. What about 50, you know, 50 singletary. Yep. And who's, who's this right here?

[Tamra Judge]

These are the actual players.

[Nick Viall]

That's Walter Payton. That's Jim McMahon.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know.

[Tamra Judge]

Wait, this is incredible. Like, hands down, way Richard Dent 95.

[Natalie Joy]

Is this how you danced before you went on Dancing with the Stars?

[Nick Viall]

That's.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, probably. This is probably actually a little bit better.

[Nick Viall]

A little bit better.

[Tamra Judge]

At T, I was like, danny, give me something. Like, give me anything.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Whitney was like. Whitney was like, what do you do? And I'm like, I can do the jerk. That's pretty much it.

[Tamra Judge]

I was like, let me see if.

[Danny Amendola]

I can put that. These guys would. Would go on Dancing with the Stars.

[Nick Viall]

They.

[Tamra Judge]

It looks like they got rhythm, you know, they're not afraid to kind of put themselves out there, you know, I think they would do well. I mean, all football players historically have done pretty well. Known to move their stars.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Like, they've got great footwork and they're strong and have great work ethic for the most part. So they would kill it.

[Danny Amendola]

And they know how to shuffle.

[Tamra Judge]

They know how to shuffle.

[Nick Viall]

Professional football players on Dancing with the Stars have a pretty good track record. Rashad Jennings won season. Donald Drivers won.

[Tamra Judge]

Specifically Johnson.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

Did he win?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Calvin got close.

[Tamra Judge]

Calvin got close. I think he did a freestyle. So, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Basically what I'm saying, Dan, is you. You have to be Joey. The bachelors always go home the same week, basically.

[Tamra Judge]

But Joey's doing a great fan base, and he is a good dancer.

[Joel Kim Booster]

He's a good dancer.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

His Tarzan legit was legit.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm like, okay, let's give him some higher scores than he.

[Natalie Joy]

But I have also never seen a dance go as viral as the move that y'all have created.

[Tamra Judge]

That was pretty crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, it was. We did not expect it. Like, we were just going through our feed, and then it kind of just, like, happened. And Danny was like, are we viral or is my algorithm, like, messed up? I'm like, I think everyone's doing it. And then everyone started to come to us, like, great.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Yeah. The other night. Now it's like, we gotta do this move. It's Whitney and Daniel, and it is incredibly hard. I was like, I can't do this.

[Natalie Joy]

I have a thigh cramp. I'm still recovering from.

[Tamra Judge]

You guys killed it, though.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Like, yeah, you guys did kill it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. But you're supposed to, like, be light and feathery and we. I don't know if we were you.

[Tamra Judge]

No, you did good. You.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's.

[Tamra Judge]

It's honestly a lot to do with the girl. Just, like, arching. Like, did you ever. Did you have, like, that back pain at all or. No prob.

[Natalie Joy]

I probably. He was like, should we. Let's. Now that we've got it down, like, let's do a couple more takes and really get it perfect. And I was like, I have no interest in doing that. I don't Want to get back down on this, Marvel?

[Tamra Judge]

I was like, all taped up, like, after that, like, I was. That was a. That was a hard move.

[Joel Kim Booster]

We actually kind of.

[Nick Viall]

We.

[Joel Kim Booster]

What do we. When you call it when we don't do it? We spot it or what is that?

[Tamra Judge]

Mark it.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Mark it. We mark it. We marked it a lot of the week.

[Tamra Judge]

We marked it a lot of the week.

[Joel Kim Booster]

My back was kind of sore.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, my back was messed up. So don't do it too many times, everybody. Okay. Be safe out there.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Tough. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

For our second game.

[Danny Amendola]

For our second game.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Danny Amendola]

To confirm, we got. We got knowledge with the Cardinals.

[Nick Viall]

We're going to go Cardinals.

[Danny Amendola]

And then we have vibes with. With the Bears. Super bowl shuffling daily. All right. With our second game, we have. Have the Miami Dolphins.

[Natalie Joy]

I hate him.

[Nick Viall]

He just.

[Natalie Joy]

He looks creepy. Yeah. The Buffalo Bills and division game, either.

[Nick Viall]

We have Tua's back.

[Danny Amendola]

TD the Dolphin.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

But if I may introduce to the room TD Air.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Who is that?

[Danny Amendola]

This is TD Air. This is their air version of the mascot. Td, which is a blow up version.

[Natalie Joy]

Is that like when the human is the. Is out of town or something?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

I don't know how, like, like, scientifically it worked, but I think there's a person in that low of it.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

No way.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Can we do it like when it's raining or something?

[Natalie Joy]

Like water?

[Danny Amendola]

We do have a video of TD Air dancing.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, it's one of those. Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I would love to get one of those suits, man.

[Tamra Judge]

It just looks like you're doing more than you actually are. He's just walking.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, but he looks like.

[Tamra Judge]

He looks like.

[Natalie Joy]

He's like.

[Danny Amendola]

He's got a trick up his sleeve.

[Nick Viall]

It looks like a kid with too much sugar, right?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm not impressed.

[Natalie Joy]

See, the guys are like, all right, you're down here. We gotta. Oh, my God. Turn of events.

[Tamra Judge]

That was a turn of events.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

That made it worth it.

[Nick Viall]

Watching the.

[Danny Amendola]

He jumps on his head.

[Natalie Joy]

He jumps on his head.

[Danny Amendola]

He jumps on his head. And he's from Miami, so he's definitely got Pitbull choreography. He's got. He's got Jimmy Buffett choreography, also Ace Ventura. Yeah, Very, very true.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Snowflake.

[Nick Viall]

Snowflake. Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

The Dolphins used to have a real live dolphin mascot, and then they didn't have enough money.

[Nick Viall]

Like PETA or something.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

I don't even know if it was.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And Dan Marino stole it.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, it was just like in an aquarium somewhere. And they're like, they had an aquarium, but I think it was, like, too.

[Danny Amendola]

Much money to keep the aquarium going. Going.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

It doesn't seem Asman Cherry cracked that code, though.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Okay. And then we have with the Buffalo Bills, Billy Buffalo. Not to be confused with Buffalo Bill, but two different people. This guy's really scary. Not the serial killer. This guy's kind of giving Buffalo.

[Natalie Joy]

He is giving a little choking. He's turning blue.

[Danny Amendola]

But then he recently got a makeover. They gave him a makeover.

[Tamra Judge]

That looks much better.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. There's a whole friendly. There's a whole video.

[Nick Viall]

Stop scaring the kids. Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

There's a video on Twitter of him, like, having a spa day and getting a little over and it's like a reveal.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, that's cute.

[Danny Amendola]

That's funny. And sadly, I could not find any videos of him dancing, but, oh, man, I do have Jason Kelce in a Flintstones costume dancing for the business.

[Tamra Judge]

All right.

[Natalie Joy]

Do we feel like that's the same?

[Danny Amendola]

No.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Danny Amendola]

I think he's an unofficial mascot and he knows how to use his knees.

[Natalie Joy]

His knees do move.

[Nick Viall]

It must be because he's doing.

[Danny Amendola]

It has to be.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. That was two weeks ago.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yep.

[Tamra Judge]

That was like, I'm gonna do as little as possible.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

See what happens.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, the head bouncing for the Dolphins, Really?

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. That stole the show for sure.

[Nick Viall]

Where are they playing?

[Danny Amendola]

They're playing in Buffalo.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. It's gonna be kind of cold for the Miamians.

[Nick Viall]

Might be.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. Anytime you get a cold weather team going to or like a hot weather team going to a cold this year, it's tough. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, how do you practice in that? Are they like.

[Joel Kim Booster]

You can't.

[Nick Viall]

You can't.

[Natalie Joy]

You don't.

[Nick Viall]

Is it tougher to go from warm to cold or.

[Joel Kim Booster]

It's. It's the same amount of difficulty, honestly. When I was in New England, we'd play in Miami real late and we would go in the bubble and. And we'd all wear, like, like hoodies and stuff underneath our pads to kind of simulate what it's going to be like in Miami.

[Nick Viall]

Like the humidity and, like, hot.

[Joel Kim Booster]

One time. One time we as. As a Patriot, you know, in Foxboro, it was like we had a snowstorm. It was like 10 degrees outside. We practiced outside and coach thought we were going to get ready for the playoffs and be ready. And we go down to Miami and we get the brake speed off office because it was like we were all dying. Everybody's getting IVs before the game. Half. Half time, two IVs. Like, we were so hot, we ended up losing the game. But it's hard to go. It's hard to fluctuate, like. Like atmospheres, like, if you're going from cold to hot, hot to cold.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that would be hard.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, I think Vibes.

[Tamra Judge]

Vibes.

[Danny Amendola]

The Dolphins, they're gonna win.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

1,000. Who do you want to go with?

[Nick Viall]

Danny?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Stat wise, I would. I would pick. Pick two is coming back. You know, Tyreek's hard to cover. You know, Waddle's great, too. I mean, they have a. They have a pretty good offense, electric offense. Especially with Tua, you know, his first game back, probably second game back, second game back. So it'll be a little bit of a learning curve getting. Getting him back into game shape because he's been chilling for the past few weeks. But if I were to pick a team, I would. I would say the Dolphins. It's not going to be terribly cold in Buffalo that week, so it would be okay.

[Shannon Bedore]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

We're gonna go Dolphin.

[Natalie Joy]

All right.

[Danny Amendola]

We're all going Fins.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Nice.

[Danny Amendola]

Let's go.

[Nick Viall]

All right, well, that does it for vibes versus stats.

[Danny Amendola]

That's been vibes.

[Tamra Judge]

Pretty good stats, guys.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Pretty good stats. Pretty good vibes.

[Natalie Joy]

So, Whitney, what is, like the initiation process? Like, when you get your new celebrity that you're initiation. You, like, dance first.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm like, what can you do? First of all. And it wasn't much, to be honest.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I'm a blank slate. I'm a blank slate.

[Tamra Judge]

That's true.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

We took the positive spin on very.

[Natalie Joy]

Coachable, willing to learn.

[Tamra Judge]

So it's a little bit of that, like, you know, show me what you can do. And it was like, the jerk and then. And then that was it.

[Natalie Joy]

So a lot of nothing you could use.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I'm a product of Whitney Carson.

[Nick Viall]

What's been your favorite dance so far?

[Joel Kim Booster]

I think the last two have been. Have been fun. Yeah, Last two, the jazz and the contemporary, were my favorite so far. It's kind of gives you more freedom. You're not. You're not in frame the whole dance. So the jive was fun. Lots of movement. The tango, we have another tango this week. It's something that, you know, I had a little bit of a learning curve getting into, obviously. So, yeah, just staying in frame and keeping that posture has usually. It's been. I've always been playing. Being a football player, I'm always hunched over and, like, my fight or flight mode is, like, over leaned over my toes. So whenever I, like, get super. I'M like. I get hunched over.

[Tamra Judge]

So I'm like, everything. You know, do the opposite of that. It's like, all forward. I'm like, you got to be back all the way. So that's been kind of tricky. A little bit.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Just takes a little bit more.

[Nick Viall]

Was it a coincidence that you and Joey did backflips in the same week? Because I was like. We were. We were in the audience for that one, and I was like. And Joey was like, telling us he's going to a backflip. And then we saw you do that, and I was like, danny's one upping Joey. You guys are kind of competing for the same vote. You're both like, look. Looking at young guys, you know.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, during the week, actually, they came in and was like, hey, I heard you guys are doing a backflip. Like, we're doing a backflip. Like, let's just make sure it's not the same.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

So we kind of. We kind of knew going into the show that we both were doing backflips, but we just kind of. We just did it anyway.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. Operation Blackbird.

[Tamra Judge]

Operation Blackbird was that one.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

We name all our lifts.

[Nick Viall]

So when you were like, what can you do? Did you, like. You're like, well, I can do a flash.

[Tamra Judge]

That came later. I had to, like, pull. I have to pull things out of Danny. Like, I have to really just try and. Yeah, I mean, you're an open book, but I gotta try to be like, can you do this? Can you do that? I mean, some stuff you probably didn't even know you could do until you tried it.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, I haven't.

[Tamra Judge]

The barrel. The barrel jump you love.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Which is.

[Joel Kim Booster]

The barrel jump is good. Yeah. No, never.

[Nick Viall]

I saw.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I saw that Nacho Libre the other night, and I was like, I love the barrel roll now.

[Tamra Judge]

Like, okay, we're doing it. We're putting it in.

[Natalie Joy]

You watched Nacho Libre recently?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, like, a couple weeks ago. And then I got back to the studio and I. I was like, whitney, you'll never believe what I saw last night. Nacho. And it's like a pretty good barrel roll on tv.

[Nick Viall]

Or did you, like, turn it on?

[Joel Kim Booster]

No, I turned it on.

[Nick Viall]

What other. What other? Your favorite shows.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Right. I like to watch things that make me dumber. So it's, like, totally gross.

[Nick Viall]

So good.

[Tamra Judge]

That's all I do too.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, do you ever watch reality tv?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Not much. Yeah, not much. I don't watch too much tv. I'll watch a movie here and there.

[Nick Viall]

But how much do you keep. I mean, I know you're not a fan of any specific team, but how much do you keep up with the league in general?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Not much. Not much. You know, just being so consumed with it last year and then my whole life, really. I'm. I'm kind of interested in doing other things, exploring other avenues of life, using the other half of my brain or what's left of it, and, you know, just kind of keep it moving.

[Tamra Judge]

You did talk about it quite a bit, though. Like, people will come in and you guys will talk about the score.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, when I'm with my boys and I'm watching a game, I get. We get super into it and, like, you know, were calling out plays and talking penalties and, like, strategy, but shit gets exhausting, man. Like, I'm good, like.

[Nick Viall]

And your boy Tom Brady's calling games now?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, he's. He's doing good, man. He's getting better.

[Nick Viall]

It's like. It's a. It's a challenge.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, it's really hard, too. It's just to fill the airspace. And I saw the first game he did, and I thought he did amazing. Honestly.

[Nick Viall]

I.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Usually when I watch a football game, I have to put it on mute. I can't listen to the commentating whatsoever. I had to put music on, and I kind of just watched it leisurely. But I think he's doing a great job. You know, he's. He's good at whatever he does, honestly. So.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, he's a. He's a. He's a winner. He's a winner.

[Tamra Judge]

Does he have time to come to the show or. No, we'll see.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Maybe the final. You get. Get me to the playoffs.

[Tamra Judge]

Coach, call him up.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Do you want to play?

[Natalie Joy]

Call him up now or.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Let's just FaceTime him really quick.

[Natalie Joy]

Is there a dance? You're nervous today? You.

[Joel Kim Booster]

No, I'm. I'm open and ready to go every week. You know, I just want to learn. I want to learn the history of each dance. I want to see film from old dancers doing the dance and. And. And just kind of learn. And that's why I'm here. That's why I'm doing it, really. I just want to. I want to, like, expand and learn new things and, you know, do cool stuff with.

[Nick Viall]

What's a. What would be like a dream job for you. That's a good post NFL career.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I mean, I love to travel. I love to do new things. Obviously, we did the special forces thing. A travel show or a travel experience. And some getting paid for that would be kind of cool. You know, I've done a couple things like that in regards to the NFL with a couple old teammates with really fun stuff. Just experience new things, see the world and meet and meet cool people.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What's the love life like these days?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Ooh, for me, single. Yeah. Just happy, peaceful, no stress whatsoever.

[Nick Viall]

Like, do you want to, like, settle down one day? Are you kind of enjoying. How old are you?

[Joel Kim Booster]

38. I'm about to be 39 here next week.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, that was Nick.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

My, you know, my dream is to get married and have kids and. And if you were to ask me when I was 24, 25, like, what I'd be doing when I was 39, like, I'd be like, married, four kids, living in pick, you know, pick white picket fence. But, you know, hasn't really worked out that way, which is great too. So life is awesome.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And I. I didn't settle down until 40.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Till 40. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I met Nally when I was 37. 30.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

How old are you?

[Natalie Joy]

I'm 26.

[Tamra Judge]

26. Okay.

[Joel Kim Booster]

It's a good age.

[Natalie Joy]

A little bit of an age gap.

[Tamra Judge]

A little bit of an age gap.

[Nick Viall]

A little self conscious at first.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Anytime anyone asks, I'm always like, let me just show you a photo of him. Because if I tell you he's 44, you're going to judge me.

[Joel Kim Booster]

How often do you play the. Play the game of like, where Were you in 2001?

[Natalie Joy]

I love to show him shows. Were you watching? You know, like, Facebook will be like your post 10 years ago or 5 years ago, and it'll be like a cringey post. And I'm like, what were you doing in 2009? And he's like, oh, I was in college. And I'm like, I was writing I'm bored on Facebook.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick Viall]

That's uncomfortable for me.

[Tamra Judge]

That's very uncomfortable.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

How many kids would you want?

[Joel Kim Booster]

I'd love. I mean, I'd start with one. Two. I'd love to ideally have like three or four kids. Kids, you know, have a troop.

[Tamra Judge]

See how it goes after two.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Tamra Judge]

And then reconvene.

[Nick Viall]

Well, as someone who also thought he'd be married with kids at like 25, 26. And it didn't happen until later in life. Yeah, I've really enjoyed. Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Life is good, man. I'm super blessed, super happy. I've got to live my dream. And now it's just kind of smooth sailing from.

[Nick Viall]

That's the thing, like, whenever you find it, you'll, like, you'll just be locked in and you won't have any, like, you know, oh, I wish I could have done this. You've obviously had a great life, an exciting life, and you'll continue to do exciting things. Things. But, yeah, when that happens, you'll.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, it's like, I have a lot of friends who, like, happily married and have kids, but they did that in their late 20s. And yeah, they're all like, so tell me about your life. You know, it's like, yeah, I have lots of those friends.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Like, doll, what are you doing? Go to.

[Shannon Bedore]

Go.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Go to sleep, man.

[Natalie Joy]

Are you a DM guy? Like, are you checking the DMs?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Not really. They've been blowing up since we've been on the show and.

[Tamra Judge]

Calm down.

[Joel Kim Booster]

But I don't really. I don't really.

[Tamra Judge]

Ryan. Yeah, he's, like, trying to get the.

[Natalie Joy]

Shirt off this one, too.

[Tamra Judge]

Or, you know, we're trying to get the shirt off.

[Shannon Bedore]

Right.

[Joel Kim Booster]

No, I'm really just kind of focused on just being happy and. And peaceful and doing what I want to do. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Do you like Austin?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Love Austin. I'm obsessed with.

[Nick Viall]

How'd you end up moving there?

[Joel Kim Booster]

So I was in. I was, you know, living in my. Whatever city I was playing in, and then I was training out here for, like, eight, nine years. So I lived in Venice for a long time.

[Nick Viall]

Me too.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And then I got sick of the zombies walking around, and then. So I ended up buying a. I bought a House in 2017 in Austin. Fell in love. I'm from Houston originally, so. Texas boy. And then Austin's amazing. It's active, great food, good music scene, good people. There's a lake that goes right downtown, so we're on the. We're on the. On the boat every other day. So it's. It's just great. Great healthy living, honestly.

[Nick Viall]

That's awesome. Do you have any friend? Like, a lot of friends in that area?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. Yeah, lots of friends. Some from high school, some from college, some that I met, you know, more recently. Recently. But great friend. Friend group, you know, very active. You know, we got good gyms and. And we're we're always, you know, trying to do things productive and. And healthy. So.

[Tamra Judge]

Is it cold right now, like Texas?

[Joel Kim Booster]

It's. No, it's. It's 90.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, right now, like, so would you get in the water right now? Yeah, we can get in the water in December.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, we can get in the water 11 months.

[Tamra Judge]

So I was just Thinking about that, because I live in Florida now. And I was like, you live in Florida now? I live in Florida now. I was like, if we just didn't have the gators, like, I'd be in the lake, like, all the time.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I'm not messing with the gators.

[Danny Amendola]

Like, we.

[Tamra Judge]

We kind of mess with the gators a little bit. Like, we don't mess with them, but, like, we still get in the water. With the boat. With the boat. Because you think about it, it's like that huge boat. It's got to scare them off. Right?

[Natalie Joy]

But would you, like, tube or ski or, like.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, like, we surf. We surf.

[Natalie Joy]

What if you fall off and then.

[Tamra Judge]

You just wait for the boat and get your feet up and you're kind.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Of like, whitney, that's crazy.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. I do it all the time. We're in Florida, in Orlando.

[Danny Amendola]

Oh, Orlando. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

We live in Lake Nona, but, yeah, we love it. But it's just like. That's what I was just thinking about Texas. Because I'm like, so many people moved to Texas.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

But I feel like it gets cold.

[Joel Kim Booster]

No, it doesn't. Well, it does a little bit, but we. You can. You take the boat out of the water for a week and you can just put it right back in. If you need a wetsuit, you can have one. But we. I never use a wetsuit. Just. I get in probably 11 months out of the year.

[Nick Viall]

Probably. Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

So you can get in in December?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

We have lake property in Wisconsin, but freezing, sadly. It's.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, you get four months. Four months.

[Tamra Judge]

You have four months. Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And this a raging four months, too. Everybody's out there every single day.

[Nick Viall]

That's the one thing I hate about la. You love the weather. Weather's amazing, but there's no enthusiasm for it. Everyone's like, yeah, it's nice out in the Midwest. You're like, it's fucking warm.

[Natalie Joy]

Let's go.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Two boys.

[Tamra Judge]

I do, right?

[Natalie Joy]

What's the age gap between them?

[Tamra Judge]

Three and then one and a half. So they're. They're like two and a half years apart.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay. Do you like?

[Tamra Judge]

It's wild.

[Natalie Joy]

Is it wild?

[Tamra Judge]

It's wild. But I also have two really busy, crazy boys.

[Natalie Joy]

It is crazy how different boys are.

[Tamra Judge]

I think they really are so different. And she's nine months, right?

[Natalie Joy]

Nine months, yeah. Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

So she talking yet?

[Natalie Joy]

She's like, babbling.

[Tamra Judge]

Babbling.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. She's always forget.

[Nick Viall]

One, two.

[Natalie Joy]

She's scaling on this.

[Nick Viall]

She'll be walking. Walking. She'll Be.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, Jet was walking at nine months and I was like, I walked at nine months.

[Natalie Joy]

Did you cheer that on? And then for your second. No, get down.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, my second one, I was exactly like that. My first one, I was like, he's not walking, like. And then my second one, I was like, get back down. Get back down there. Because he was falling off everything. Like it's. They're crazy. And then they all have. They have like, they're beat up all the time.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, all the time.

[Tamra Judge]

Like, my youngest is gonna be a UFC fighter. A UFC fighter?

[Natalie Joy]

Yes.

[Joel Kim Booster]

He's tough as nail. Every time I see him, he looks like he just got into like a. A six round, like beat down fight.

[Nick Viall]

Did you pretty much play every sport in high school?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, baseball and football.

[Tamra Judge]

I gotta show you guys this video while you guys are.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Are they.

[Natalie Joy]

Are your boys playing any. I mean, how old are they?

[Nick Viall]

Three?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, they're. They're. I mean, they're golfing a little bit. Like, the. The oldest is golfing. He's. He actually, they both have really good arms. Like, surprisingly, like, they can throw really hard. Hard. I have to show you this video because it just is hilarious. But yeah, we'll probably do all the Florida sports, like tennis and golf.

[Joel Kim Booster]

That's the way to go.

[Tamra Judge]

Honestly, I'm just scared of football. Honestly, like, the amount of times you've gotten hurt and like, it's. The one you showed me where you passed out was crazy.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Danny, would you.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I've had documented probably like four in the NFL. But like, probably. Honestly, see like eight or nine.

[Nick Viall]

You worry about that. Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Just watch this video.

[Nick Viall]

But.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, watch this small one. Okay.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Oh, my God.

[Tamra Judge]

Can you guys see?

[Natalie Joy]

Oh.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, ready?

[Joel Kim Booster]

This is a crazy video.

[Tamra Judge]

This is my life. This is me just like trying. Not Whitney. No, this is like, this is. And he gets back up and starts laughing. Like, for real.

[Nick Viall]

He just jumped. Kids.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Tougher.

[Tamra Judge]

The chemical in your brain that's like fear. He doesn't have it. Doesn't have it. That's every.

[Joel Kim Booster]

That's like equivalent to like a 30 foot drop.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

At what point were you like. Yeah, that's them. It's fine. Like with your first one.

[Whitney Carson]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Because river falls and we're like losing our mind.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, fall.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, she just like falls on her butt, right?

[Tamra Judge]

You're like. You guys are first time parents. Just wait till the second one and you'll be like, as long as it's not drugs or alcohol. Like, just fill them up. We're Good.

[Nick Viall]

Has that happened yet?

[Tamra Judge]

This means you get along lot more lax.

[Nick Viall]

Tell me the story. Once when I was like three or four, they. They took me to a wedding and I went around and, like, just started sipping, like, can you go to a wedding? People just leave their drinks around and.

[Shannon Bedore]

Oh, no.

[Nick Viall]

And I went around and started sipping on drinks and I like, I got drunk.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. I saw like, my dad owned a golf course when I was a kid, and I, like, was. Was up playing in like, the pro shop, and there was a can of coke. Hello. From the south. And like, obsessed with coke. So I went to, like, drink it and it was just full of cigarette ashes.

[Nick Viall]

Someone. And like, dip.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, someone has just been using it.

[Tamra Judge]

As like, oh, my gosh.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Oh, my gosh.

[Natalie Joy]

If there's anything wrong with me, I do blame it on that.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, right.

[Natalie Joy]

Do you recommend that age gap? Like, are you happy with.

[Tamra Judge]

I am really happy with it. I think at first it was really hard, just like the newborn in the toddler phase and their, like, potty training and all that. But I think it's a good age gap, especially like, going into high school and junior high. I have a lot of nieces that are like that same age gap, and they have loved it just because they're. They're really close. So I think it'll get better. It's just. It's hard right now, but I think it'll get better. Are you guys thinking of another one?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, of course. He's one of 11. I'm one of seven. So I think people.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my goodness.

[Natalie Joy]

Big families.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Joel Kim Booster]

How was that growing up with 11 brothers?

[Nick Viall]

Loud. Loud. I was a second oldest.

[Joel Kim Booster]

We're okay.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So I kind of. And I was. I have an older sister. And then it was like, two sisters after that. Yeah. And so my closest brother, seven age. So I was. It's like I always say I was like an only child with 10 siblings because I was. I kind of did my own thing. I was very much in sports. My sisters weren't. So I. I got a lot of attention. And then. Yeah, I also, like, had my own room until junior of high school. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

And then you were out of the house.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, out of the house. But, yeah, it was loud. And, you know, you had to wake up or like, I eat to stay. Like, I have, like, the food's about to leave, like sugar cereal. We'd say, like, you'd wake the up early because, like, it wasn't enough for everyone. She'd buy, like, One box of Frosted Flakes and be like, first come, first serve.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

And we were, like, allowed to have one bowl, but I would be like, well, there's still milk in it, so it's still one bowl. Right. Like, you need a kn. You'd put, you know, a little bit more frostly. It's all those tricks, though.

[Tamra Judge]

That's hilarious.

[Natalie Joy]

What age did you start playing football?

[Joel Kim Booster]

So my dad's a high school football coach, and I loved. You know, I was a ball boy for his team, like, when I was, like, 8, 9 years old. He wouldn't let me play in tackle football until I was 11.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Which was, in hindsight, really good idea, because, I mean, kids get just so beat up and.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

So you would stand by that if you had a boy, you would Wait.

[Joel Kim Booster]

I honestly wouldn't. I would have him in flag football until he's about, like, 14.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And then it kind of depends what position he's playing. But I would. I would have him play flag football until. Until, like, freshman year, high school.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

That's good to know.

[Joel Kim Booster]

That is good.

[Nick Viall]

So how many. Where are we in the Dancing with the Stars weeks? How many weeks do we have left?

[Tamra Judge]

I think we only have three weeks left, I think. Yeah.

[Joel Kim Booster]

So we have, like, a bye week, don't we?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, we have, like, a week off for the election.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Which has never happened before ever. So, like, we have, like, a week off. Like, off off.

[Nick Viall]

Which makes sense because it's gonna be kind of weird.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. I mean.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

To, like, be dancing and everyone's, like, trying to figure out what the world.

[Tamra Judge]

Is in the future of the world.

[Nick Viall]

Everyone's gonna be mad.

[Tamra Judge]

It's gonna be interesting how that plays out. But. Yeah. And then we'll have three more weeks after that. So.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

It's kind coming down to the wire. Really?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Lots of good people left.

[Natalie Joy]

Do. So do you. I know. You come up with choreography. Right. With me. Okay, so then do you also pick the songs, or is that, like, produce?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, we have a music team. We also have a creative team. So the music team will kind of send us options of like, hey, I think this would be great on the show. Do you guys like this? This song? And then it'll be like, x nade or, you know, we'll come together. If he hates it and I love it, then I'll try and convince him to do it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Or vice versa. But yeah, so there's. There's teams to kind of, like, support and help us in the music decision. Because for. It's like, it's all about the music. Like, I have to love the song, but it also has to fit with the dance style, too. So it's kind of interesting. Like, you could love a song, but it doesn't actually fit with the dance style that you have to do that week. So it's kind of tricky. You're kind of, you know, trying to have that right balance.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, I will always love you with, like, the jive. And you're like, oh, yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

You're like, that doesn't really work. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Upbeat it a little.

[Nick Viall]

This episode will come out next Thursday. What, this week? What? How many are on the. Do you know?

[Tamra Judge]

I think only one. Yeah. I think from here on out, it's only one.

[Nick Viall]

Because you're not going to be, like, voted off, are you?

[Tamra Judge]

I don't think so. In my gut, I don't think so.

[Joel Kim Booster]

That relies heavily on my posture for the tango.

[Nick Viall]

Smile.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

Because I looked scared every time I danced.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. What is more important, the facial or the posture?

[Nick Viall]

Because Bobby Bones won.

[Tamra Judge]

Right. Oh, wait.

[Nick Viall]

And that boy walked on the dance floor.

[Tamra Judge]

Right, Right. I know.

[Whitney Carson]

Yes.

[Tamra Judge]

And I was with Milo that season, and we were like, for real? Are we for real right now? But it's. It's all about really. I don't know. It just depends on how many fans are voting. And I guess a lot of fans are voting right now. You. I think you have to have a good balance. Like, you got to be a decent dancer, right?

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

But you also have to charm America. Like, people have to want to vote for you as well.

[Nick Viall]

So they like to see people get better. They like to see. They love that progress.

[Natalie Joy]

They love that.

[Tamra Judge]

And I think D, Danny's personality is coming out a little bit more. He has more things to say. He's, you know, we're seeing different sides of him. The vulnerability side. And, like, you know, we're trying to show all sides of him. So I think it's a good balance. You gotta be a decent dancer and try. Right. But you also have to have America love you, too.

[Natalie Joy]

Do y'all keep up with anyone who has been eliminated?

[Tamra Judge]

I haven't really talked to anybody have used not really elimination this season.

[Nick Viall]

They're dead.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, they're dead to us.

[Natalie Joy]

I just. I saw because Brooke Snader posted a TikTok being like, did you see this? Or she's like, when he's breaking up with me, but I had no idea we were together.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but they already broke up.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know.

[Natalie Joy]

I don't know I took from that.

[Tamra Judge]

Last time I talked to Gleb, things were good. So it could have changed.

[Nick Viall]

What a complicated fellow. The best looking guy I've ever seen in my life and also like super nice in person. This dating life is messy.

[Tamra Judge]

Messy.

[Nick Viall]

Especially.

[Tamra Judge]

Especially when it's, you know, on tv. Then you're like. Then everybody's involved. Right? So I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know about that. But how can people vote for you guys?

[Tamra Judge]

How can people vote for us?

[Nick Viall]

What's the number?

[Tamra Judge]

The number is 21523. You can vote up to 10 times. Text, Danny, text.

[Natalie Joy]

Is it the same number every year?

[Tamra Judge]

Every year. 21523. Yep. Ever just a different name.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

All right, well, this one is Danny.

[Danny Amendola]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

For Danny. It's. It's. Is it Tuesday?

[Tamra Judge]

Text 2, 1.

[Nick Viall]

Text Danny.

[Tamra Judge]

2, 1, 5, 2, 3. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

2, 1, 5 2, 3.

[Tamra Judge]

And you spell his name. D, A, N, N, Y, D, A.

[Natalie Joy]

N. If someone misspells it, doesn't count.

[Tamra Judge]

His real name is Daniel, though, so don't put that. Put Danny. Yeah, I just learned that the other.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Day when I'm in trouble.

[Natalie Joy]

What's your middle name?

[Joel Kim Booster]

James.

[Natalie Joy]

Daniel James.

[Nick Viall]

Y. Y.

[Natalie Joy]

What's your middle name?

[Tamra Judge]

Capri.

[Natalie Joy]

Beautiful.

[Nick Viall]

That's amazing. Wow.

[Natalie Joy]

Stunning. Capri.

[Tamra Judge]

Thanks.

[Natalie Joy]

Capri.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What's that? What? From where. Where were you named after? Do you know?

[Tamra Judge]

I. Italy, I guess.

[Nick Viall]

Italy.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Pants. Or the drink.

[Tamra Judge]

Or the drink. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No, we just love those lunches. Danny, Whitney, we appreciate you coming. It's been fun. So fun to chat with you guys. Good luck the rest of the way. It's been so fun watching. Watching you maybe do a Special Forces, like all star year.

[Joel Kim Booster]

That'd be awesome.

[Nick Viall]

Would you ever do it again?

[Joel Kim Booster]

It depends where it is. If it's. If it's in a warm weather climate, I'll do it.

[Tamra Judge]

Where was yours?

[Joel Kim Booster]

In Jordan, in the.

[Nick Viall]

That's kind of badass.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, it was narrow. Gnarly, man. It was gnarly. It was like 112 and then it dropped down to like 72 at night. So it was good.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And you beat Dwight in a fight.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Got him.

[Nick Viall]

And he's a giant.

[Tamra Judge]

Got him.

[Nick Viall]

Got him.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

You just exhausted.

[Natalie Joy]

Have you talked about that on.

[Joel Kim Booster]

All the time. Once you. When you do special Forces, you're trauma bonded to these people, so it's like you went through the ringer with them, so it's like your brotherhood for life.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, one question before I let you go, because one thing I was terrified to do but we didn't have to do it because we were in New Zealand. Yeah, like the gas mask.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Oh my gosh, bro. It was in the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. It felt like you stuck your face in bacon grease, dude. Your eyes were twisting in your head. It was crazy. You go into a shipping container and they, and there's a, there's an instructor in there. You have a gas mask on. And then they pop the gas smoke.

[Tamra Judge]

Gas smoke.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And then you take your mask off and then it just.

[Nick Viall]

And they make you like breathe it for.

[Joel Kim Booster]

You have to answer like three or four questions. Then you have to find this bag that's hidden. And then you have to find like an alternate exit route that not the door you came in.

[Nick Viall]

Like a doggy door.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, you have to find that and then, and then you're, you're. I mean, the only thing you can think about is getting out of the friggin shipping container. So you're throwing shit around. You have to get the bag and then find the exit. And then for like the next 10 minutes, your face like, it's so painful.

[Tamra Judge]

My gosh.

[Joel Kim Booster]

And then 11 minutes after that, you're completely fine. 100%.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Tamra Judge]

You're saying the tango is worse than that.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Like, come on, glutton for pain.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I was like. Cuz I didn't know this until we got done. They told us they tried, they weren't allowed to do it, but every mission I was like, don't be the gas master.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Mike Piazza passed out in there, ended up break, almost breaking his orbital bone. They rushed him to the hospital. Usually.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, he like fell on his face.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Yeah, Mike was beating the walls and Dwight goes. Mike, it sounded like you were fighting an invisible bear in there. It was so painful.

[Tamra Judge]

I would never do that show.

[Nick Viall]

Never. Well, never say never.

[Tamra Judge]

No, never, never.

[Nick Viall]

Well, thank you guys for coming.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Thanks for having a much fun.

[Nick Viall]

Good luck the rest of the way.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

Thank you.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Nice to see you.

[Natalie Joy]

You too.

[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

Wow. What a great team.

[Shannon Bedore]

Love It's a good season of Dancing with the Stars.

[Natalie Joy]

It's a really great season. I feel like none of the other seasons have been this viral. Is that just me or have I never been watching?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Shannon Bedore]

I was walking through my apartment and I saw through someone's window Dancing with the Stars.

[Natalie Joy]

And I was like, oh, that's my favorite.

[Shannon Bedore]

People are watching.

[Natalie Joy]

Look through people's window.

[Whitney Carson]

Look at my Peeping Tom couch.

[Shannon Bedore]

I accidentally looked. It was below my unit and I was like Dancing with the Stars.

[Whitney Carson]

You accidentally but then realized what they were watching.

[Shannon Bedore]

You were looking a little longer, dancing and flipping. And I was like, that must be Dancing with the Stars question.

[Danny Amendola]

Do we think it's because it's on Disney? Disney plus now?

[Shannon Bedore]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

And Hulu. The Hulu Disney plus merger. So people are watching it. They're watching Agatha all along. They're watching that.

[Nick Viall]

Did you figure out what Carrie Ann said that annoyed people?

[Natalie Joy]

No. But apparently she had a rough night last Halloween. The Halloween night.

[Nick Viall]

What'd she say?

[Natalie Joy]

I don't know. Everyone just talking about her comments. I don't know. One of them was she like gave, I guess Chandler Kenny, who was on our episode this week. She was the only one, I guess it was an amazing dance and she was the only one who like talked negative about it and Chandler was like, can you just tell me what to do. Oh, yeah. Kind of sad.

[Whitney Carson]

And this is after her, like, dig deeper comment.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like. Yeah. It was like, you need to. This wasn't.

[Shannon Bedore]

That one was about her mother when she said that.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Also because, like, Chandler is, like, just, like, really good at dancing. So it's like, is. Are you just picking on her because she's good?

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Or do you have actual critiques that can help her be a better dancer?

[Shannon Bedore]

Carrie Ann kind of did support Anna Delvey. Or not. Not. Not critique her. So it could be the skill thing.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. The judges are there to stir the pot. Yeah. You know, what are you going to do? Pascal is no longer. What a run, though. I think we all thought he was going to be some kind of. More for the. A bit early on.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

I think I'm the only delusional person that really thought he had a chance.

[Nick Viall]

No, I actually. I think the more we. The season goes on, I think Joan really. I think Joan liked Pascal the second most.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah. I feel like that's when she kind of found out that, like, he wasn't fully there yet. Not this week, but during hometowns, I think that might have also given her a little bit of comfort. Like, if I do choose you, we don't have to, like, rush into, like, marriage and everything. We can kind of take our time and figure things out where, as I said last time, I was like, chalk. I feel like it's 100% in. Guy also seems very, like, 100% in. So I'm also like. I feel like there's a little bit of safety in Pascal where it's like, I don't have to commit to the whole bit.

[Nick Viall]

We haven't talked about guys kissing.

[Whitney Carson]

I had to look away because, I don't know, there's, like, the. The lips.

[Natalie Joy]

It's hard. Nick and I have this thing that we. I call them Phyllis kisses, because it's like he's kissing his grandmother.

[Shannon Bedore]

Grandmother.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. And they're just, like, little, like. Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

Like, there's not a lot of effort. Not even, like, a purse.

[Natalie Joy]

It's just, like, a touch. And I'm like, that's a Phyllis kiss.

[Nick Viall]

And sometimes guy, he puckers up, like, four feet away.

[Shannon Bedore]

He's getting ready.

[Natalie Joy]

It's. It's. Honestly, I. I talked to my sister this morning, and we were talking about, like, my mom potentially going on, you know, next season, and we were both like, it's going to be really hard to watch. Like, she was like, my sister Caroline was like, I can't I actually won't be watching. She was like, I like to watch mom flirt and kiss. Like, I'm not. I can't have. We have.

[Whitney Carson]

We put this in motion.

[Natalie Joy]

I texted Nick this morning. She. She made a video being she has a really great idea for an entrance.

[Nick Viall]

She came up with this idea and I was like, that's actually pretty good. Oh, my God. And then I said, you need to make a video. Because I was like, listen, I can. I'm pretty sure I can get you on.

[Shannon Bedore]

I'm manifesting this.

[Natalie Joy]

But then also like, I. If anyone is mean to her, like, you can give it to me, but I'll show up at your front door, you know, like so.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I don't know if I don't think.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, they're like. And I guess we have Natalie Joy coming in.

[Danny Amendola]

She's like shit out of bombarding on set.

[Nick Viall]

I don't need Natalie fighting with the entire Internet.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, yeah, she's there on filming. Can I get some headphones, please?

[Natalie Joy]

Nobody.

[Whitney Carson]

No, no, that's not.

[Nick Viall]

I told her to make a video just because it's like, hey, listen, like, you know, we all. Matt James mom is a perfect example. You know, he was. She was on the first Golden Bachelorette, but like, this is a TV show. And I was like, listen, if you go on, you want to be more than, you know, Nick's mother in law. Right. You know, like, and you want to endear yourself to the producers and you want to show that you are willing to play along and have fun and, you know, so. And she did the. She did the video. I have to send it in.

[Shannon Bedore]

That negates my point because I was envisioning like, she's making it to the. At least the top four or three. But she's like having cold feet or feelings. She's like, I need to talk to someone. They fly in, Nick and you to be the ones to talk to her. Kind of like Gary did.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, sure.

[Nick Viall]

But keep in mind, you know, Kelsey's dad didn't make it to home hometowns.

[Whitney Carson]

Well, Kelsey's dad is doing just fine, according to the Internet.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I. Well, I think. I think we have to have a serious conversation about potentially Pascal being your next Golden Bachelor.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

So I don't think. I don't think so.

[Shannon Bedore]

Well, but, like, why not? I also don't think so.

[Natalie Joy]

I think it is him. He. That was not a. Your next Golden Bachelor exit. That was a, like, I'm done. We did a ceremony ritual and I. And it scared me. That's not giving. I'm ready to be your next bachelor in father.

[Nick Viall]

If you're not ready for giving, I'm.

[Natalie Joy]

Not ready for a relationship and I need to, like, step away.

[Joel Kim Booster]

We'll see.

[Nick Viall]

But we do need to discuss who.

[Natalie Joy]

It will be because a lot of.

[Nick Viall]

The eligible bachelors have been taken out of the race.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah. So Nick pointed out that so Mark.

[Nick Viall]

Is 58, which is just. It seemed too young for Mark.

[Whitney Carson]

So. From One Tree Hill.

[Nick Viall]

Well, wait, are they dating or they.

[Whitney Carson]

Dressed up as Prince Charming and Cinderella.

[Nick Viall]

That's pretty serious.

[Natalie Joy]

And Kelsey commented so.

[Nick Viall]

So cute on the post.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

And I've seen multiple photos from that party and they were by each other's side.

[Nick Viall]

Either way, I don't think he's your next Golden Bachelor.

[Shannon Bedore]

Well, and then Jordan was seen with Leslie from the Golden Bachelor as well. So it's like, so if he's not there, if Mark's not there, Charles L. Or nobody or Guy or whoever. I mean, obviously you don't think so.

[Natalie Joy]

With the restraining or so.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

So not Guy. So Charles L. Pascal.

[Natalie Joy]

I think it should be Dan. I'm gonna put Dan and it should be Dan. And I have loved Dan from the start and it should be him. He's handsome and he has a good story.

[Nick Viall]

We should ask your mom who she.

[Natalie Joy]

Would want it to be.

[Nick Viall]

She's in Pascal.

[Natalie Joy]

She. And the. Before the show started. Before the show started, when they had just released photos, I sent it to her and I was like, who is, like, the most attracted to you? And she said, pascal. And now I'm here for it. I don't know where she is now, but I think if she'd watch it, she'd be like, oh, my gosh.

[Shannon Bedore]

Would you want your mom dating Pascal after?

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Natalie Joy]

It doesn't seem like he's ready for love. And I don't need someone, like, playing with my mom's love Jones.

[Whitney Carson]

I think that's kind of what I think too, that I'm kind of like, okay. He went through the entire process and he was like, hey, I'm not ready. I have my walls up. But okay, let's go to hometown. See how you are with my family. Okay. I can see you a part of my family. I like you, but I'm not feeling that thing. We go to Tahiti.

[Shannon Bedore]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

If I'm on a white sand beach with you and I'm not feeling it, then like, yeah, I'm gonna leave because I'm not going to convince myself or fuck this whole thing up for you.

[Nick Viall]

But, like, to See us point like, you know, not everyone is Jones person.

[Shannon Bedore]

The part that got me though, is when he said I was in a serious relationship where I really love the person right before this. And then he goes, and then I got here and didn't think I would make it this far. When I saw you, he said, I saw you and thought I wouldn't make it this far. So then I was like, well, his daughter came.

[Nick Viall]

But no, what do you really think when you show up to the Bachelor or Golden Bachelorette? I certainly, you know, my only goal was to not go home night one.

[Whitney Carson]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, just don't go home night one. Like, just after that. It was. Especially when you show up, you're just like, it's a surreal thing to be cast on the show, you know, but.

[Shannon Bedore]

When you lead with like, but I was really in love with someone before, to me that's like, okay, well, I kind of knew from the start I didn't really like.

[Nick Viall]

Or he's being honest.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Bedore]

And he's being honest for sure. I respect that.

[Whitney Carson]

But he's saying like that feelings not being replicated here. You know what I mean? So if he's like, this is what I know. Love to be or how I felt about her. I don't feel that.

[Shannon Bedore]

But it took you to Tahiti to realize that.

[Nick Viall]

When he said that he was looking for a spark and he didn't feel it with Joan, it's like it took you this long to realize you didn't have a spark.

[Whitney Carson]

How much time does he have to spend with her, though?

[Nick Viall]

Like, the filming is like six weeks tops.

[Whitney Carson]

They go to Tahiti. He's like, fine at a white sand beach. I saw you with my family, My family likes you. So maybe there's something there.

[Shannon Bedore]

But you could have known by he has spent.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe he's talking about a spark, maybe five hours with Joan, but he's talking about a spark. Like when you feel a spark with somebody, isn't that something that you feel pretty immediately? So did you expect Pascal to get out of the limo, look at Joan, have a five minute conversation with her, and then be like, nope, sorry, gotta go.

[Shannon Bedore]

We'll chalk out the spark immediately.

[Whitney Carson]

Maybe when he told her, whispered in.

[Nick Viall]

Her ear that his walls were coming.

[Whitney Carson]

Down after homet, but maybe that would happen.

[Shannon Bedore]

But if like, hometowns is the latest that you can be like, okay, I don't like you. Because when you see them interact with your family, that's when you know if you have.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's a little unfair to expect all the contestants on any of these shows to know how they feel.

[Whitney Carson]

About a stranger, especially this age group. And then it's like this, like second, third, whatever chance at love. Like, I'm like, I think it's a little bit more nuanced and complicated. They're not gonna be like, oh, I'm fully in because I just met you and I want to wear.

[Nick Viall]

We're making friends for the first time in years.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's like a three month crossing, you.

[Nick Viall]

Know, it's just like I'm going to give these all these people a little grace for sure, you know. Thoughts on Roni?

[Danny Amendola]

Other than Jenna's bit where she was the dad from Clueless was really funny. I really liked her little phone when she just didn't really want to have a conversation with someone. I thought that was also.

[Shannon Bedore]

Jess at the High U convention said that the or the season had to like end shortly. Shorter than usual when filming because someone was sent to a hotel room and someone was sent on a flight home. So they had a wrap. Filming early.

[Danny Amendola]

Bryn has talked about how she has fight or flight.

[Shannon Bedore]

And then Bryn was also forcing Rebecca Minkoff to drink. Forcing might not be the right word, but like trying to get.

[Whitney Carson]

And it was really annoying.

[Nick Viall]

I think Brynn is not a villain and they're trying to make her a villain and I think they need to cast a villain.

[Danny Amendola]

I think Brynn is trying to self edit herself and it's making her edit as the villain. But it's like, yeah. The way she's talking to a lot of the women, it's like, I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't know she was in engaged.

[Danny Amendola]

Her ex fiance.

[Shannon Bedore]

Her ex fiance was part of her last year storyline. Yeah. Gideon. Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I felt like I missed something with Aaron.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

I almost missed an episode because I.

[Natalie Joy]

Was like, why is she upset with.

[Nick Viall]

Jenna all of a sudden?

[Shannon Bedore]

Like, what for something that happened in episode one?

[Danny Amendola]

Literally. And Jenna's like, I guess I'm just a bad friend. I'm like, no, you're not. I think it's just being weird in reality.

[Nick Viall]

They all kind of get along and they're just trying to find drama and.

[Shannon Bedore]

Brynn's the one creating the drama.

[Whitney Carson]

But who bothered me probably more than Brynn this episode? Pavit Jessel's husband, when he was like, all holidays are made by the card company.

[Nick Viall]

I've.

[Whitney Carson]

Don't even get me started on Valentine's Day.

[Nick Viall]

Who gives a shit? I like him. He's funny.

[Whitney Carson]

I'm sorry, but I'm like, In the sense of being a husband if your wife is into it. And clearly you picked the most high maintenance woman to be married to celebrate her birthday, buy her the freaking card or the roses.

[Shannon Bedore]

That's always been his bit too, though, where he's like, the tuition's too much. Can we just go to a different school? Like, I don't want to have another child that's too expensive.

[Nick Viall]

He's a goofball.

[Shannon Bedore]

I think it's just hyper, like money sensitive. So anything that takes money, he takes.

[Whitney Carson]

His Emirates flight to, like, Dubai to get a sandwich.

[Danny Amendola]

I like both of them. I just don't know. I don't like them together.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah, maybe that's.

[Danny Amendola]

I think it's great. But like, h, how long have you been with Jaisal that you don't know that you. That she's going to be really upset if you don't buy her a channel?

[Shannon Bedore]

He definitely isn't like, I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

I think he's doing a bit.

[Shannon Bedore]

It's a bit. Yeah, it's a tv.

[Danny Amendola]

I think it's a bit.

[Nick Viall]

But it's a little transparent.

[Natalie Joy]

I feel like I was going to.

[Danny Amendola]

Say he's not that good of an actor.

[Whitney Carson]

Even her saying that she got a text the day of her party being like, so what do you want for your birthday? Like, I think that really happened and that's who he is. Like, all right, I didn't fucking do anything. I don't care. What do you want? I'll go buy it. But she's like, no, well, anything that I want takes like a week to get delivered.

[Shannon Bedore]

In his defense, if they came after me our first season saying, like, I'm cheating on my wife because I went to get a sandwich in a different country, then I would, I would clap back the next season by just being a goofball.

[Danny Amendola]

That's true.

[Shannon Bedore]

Like, none of this is serious. You guys are just burning bridges with people.

[Danny Amendola]

It's like kind of like Seth in Salt Lake. Like, his whole thing of, like, being like, weird because Meredith, he doesn't care anymore. Meredith was going through a lot. So he was like, I'm just going to make a fool of myself.

[Nick Viall]

Exactly. What's happening? He's just like, I'm just. My wife wants to do this, fine, I am going to show up and now I'm going to say things because.

[Shannon Bedore]

They don't get paid. The husbands don't get paid for at least the season.

[Danny Amendola]

Abe's also just trying to be Abe, trying to do his thing.

[Whitney Carson]

I do really like Abe.

[Nick Viall]

I Love Abe.

[Whitney Carson]

I don't know what it is about him, but I really do.

[Danny Amendola]

He's charming.

[Shannon Bedore]

He seems more innocent this season than last season.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. Well, I think it's also just because Aaron's like, I just don't like, I cannot follow her train of thought at all this season. I don't know what's going on.

[Whitney Carson]

Well, it seems like she hates him though, this season where I'm like, the way that she talks to him and just like, about him or like, reprimands him, I'm like, oh, I know that you're mad at him, but I feel like this is a conversation that should have happened off camera.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

And now we're getting all of this, like, weird toxic energy between the two of you. Like them at the coffee shop when he accidentally spilled on her. And she's like, great. Like, it was just like the reaction.

[Danny Amendola]

Laughing at that, but it was like.

[Whitney Carson]

Kind of like she was annoyed where it was just kind of like nagging. The reactions to things where it's like, it's not like this light hearted. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe you did that. It's like, okay, you did it again.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah. It's like Aaron's talking about how she's going through a lot, which, like, totally. But at the same time, you know, sai is literally lost. Her mom is like, planting a tree with her ashes in it and is, like, dealing with that. It's like. But Aaron isn't like, really communicating that to anyone. But then is mad at Jenna about Jenna's lack of communication. But the entire time she can't even tell Jenna she's mad at her.

[Shannon Bedore]

Not even Jenna's lack of communication. She specifically said, I'm mad at you because some part of me knows that you believe Bryn is what she said. So not even Jenna. Yeah.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

And I'm like, I know site works a lot too, but I'm just like, I feel like Jenna works the most out of anybody on that show too. So I'm like, the idea that y'all are getting upset about, like, a text message where I'm like, what does she have?

[Danny Amendola]

They're co workers. They're not friends. And sorry your coworker couldn't text you because she was busy at her other job. Like, I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. All right, Jenna, well, it's time. The moment you all been waiting for. Shannon, the door.

[Shannon Bedore]

Here's the door.

[Nick Viall]

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[Alexis Bellino]

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[Nick Viall]

Welcome to the Vile Falls. Let's just clap for Shannon everybody.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh my gosh.

[Nick Viall]

SH is really excited to have Shannon.

[Natalie Joy]

We are huge fans. We've been rooting for you all season. Nick has been like dying on the cross for you.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, thank you so much. I've heard that and I really appreciate it.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you deserve it.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Thank you. Well, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Well, in full disclosure, we, you know, we're a little hard on you. Last season when all that stuff was going down.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Okay, well, I mean, and I deserved it. And, and by the way, I appreciate you saying like we're rooting for you, but I want to make it clear I put myself in this situation. You know, like I got a dui. I chose to date someone for much too longer than I should have. So you know, I put myself there.

[Nick Viall]

You know, Shannon, and I'm glad you said that and I think that's why we love you so much. And why we're rooting for you, because every step of the way, you have been the accountable queen that you seem to be. At least. At least since the debacle that happened. And what's been so frustra to watch this season is that your. Your. Your cast, your ex boyfriend, all the people surrounding you just won't get out of your way on your healing journey on the way up, and they seem to want to kick you while you're down.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah. I mean, it was really surprising to me how deep it went. And unfortunately, the. You don't see all of it. There was more, you know, but what didn't we see? They have. No, but they have to condense things down. And I understand, you know, being called the C word multiple times and being talked at, talked to, like, you know, a mafia gangster. It's like, who. Who talks that way?

[Nick Viall]

Who called you the C word?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You can guess. You can guess.

[Nick Viall]

Camera.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

And I, you know. Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

So, you know, so that was hard. But I'll tell you, today I did. I. I cried a lot when I filmed through the season. But today I feel pretty strong that I'm, you know, it's over and I'm still okay. Like, it didn't kick me down. I'm still moving forward.

[Nick Viall]

That's amazing. Also, if you don't mind me saying, the face is looking fantastic.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes, thank you.

[Nick Viall]

I don't care who paid for it. No.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Okay. Okay. But I did it, like, a few years ago.

[Nick Viall]

Either way.

[Natalie Joy]

Either way.

[Nick Viall]

It's my first time meeting you in person.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

So 2022, Nick, truly, like, get on board with 2024.

[Natalie Joy]

Are you watching this season back?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, we have to, because we filmed a reunion.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, yes, of course.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

So I had to be prepared, I guess.

[Natalie Joy]

I heard Heather doesn't watch at all.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Emily doesn't.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, Heather does.

[Natalie Joy]

She does.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

She does. It's Emily.

[Nick Viall]

Emily's husband, pretending not to watch.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, I don't know. I mean, no, she. She watches.

[Nick Viall]

I think we just heard. We heard a rumor, so we don't want to. That may not be true.

[Natalie Joy]

We're not in Heather's home.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, we're not watching.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I. I just. I know that Emily doesn't. And you know, filming is one thing. And you know what you filmed for me, watching it. Watching it is the hardest because that's when you find out what people say behind your back.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And what has been the most difficult thing for you to watch?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Tamara's comments. You know, just that they're so harsh, and she's just so angry and, you know, and I'm over the friendship. You know, it's like I have had the opportunity to step back and analyze this 10 year friendship that we've had and there have been so many ups and downs and there's always something I'm doing wrong in her eyes. I'm saying the wrong thing or not doing something and you know, and then in the end there's the tears and, oh, you know, I'm so sorry. I want to be your friend again and I, I'm not going to go on that roller coaster anymore.

[Nick Viall]

She's trying to get back into your good graces.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

No, no, I'm not saying that, you know, the, the reunion is something. It didn't go the way that I thought it would go. But no, you know, I, I am still in therapy and I need to be in healthy relationships. And that friendship is not healthy.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, I think that period, I think it's, I think that is very obvious. Throughout the season, I think we are all shocked to see some of the stuff that Tamara says too. And behind your back, what do you feel like? Are you shocked that Gina has been the most loyal?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, absolutely. You know, it's so weird with her because when I came in to see her at the first scene, there was Heather had her luncheon. And a lot of times this season I become overwhelmed with emotion when I'm talking to her. And I just, I feel badly for not accepting her because for a while, right after her divorce, we did spend time together and I really enjoyed her, but I feel badly for everything that I did to her. That was unkind. And, you know, we have an amazing friendship right now. We really do. And I feel horrible about the stuff that's coming out right now on the show. As soon as that comes up, you know, I don't want to talk about it because it's going to be on the show.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

So I just, you know, I don't want to hurt her. So I just. Shutting down. You want to blame me for whatever, I'll take 100% of the blame.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. That's what we said on Reality Recap is just that she. It's like Tamara's bringing things to the show that clearly some of these people don't want to talk about on the show.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Absolutely right. But you know what, though? See, I didn't realize I did. When we were in London, I showed Jen that Tamra, you know, had done my background investigation and that then brought up an old topic.

[Nick Viall]

So what was the old topic?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

It brought up, you know, and I don't even know what it was. There was some lawsuit years ago, and I guess Ryan wasn't involved in it. But, you know, me talking about that all of a sudden sheds light on it, and that isn't that. I felt really badly about that. So I just, you know, I'm not. People can believe it. Say I investigate, whatever if I'm not getting along with someone. Yeah. I will say snarky things like, yeah, let's take her down, or I don't want her. You know, I can't stand her because we're not getting along. But, you know, I don't investigate. I don't. I don't. I. I don't even have Siri on my phone. And let's just leave it at that. I'm. I don't. I don't. I wouldn't know where to start.

[Nick Viall]

There's also, like, a difference between, like, Googling a couple things versus, like, investigating. Investigating.

[Natalie Joy]

Having a goal, look into stuff.

[Nick Viall]

A whole thing is different. Yeah. Googling some tea and maybe thinking about gossiping is not quite the same, but.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I don't like to do that either. I'm sorry. And I'm no saint. Again, I'm not a saint, but I don't like to do that. I think that's going below the belt.

[Nick Viall]

Your ex loves to keep saying how you are so good at making yourself the victim. And while I, again, haven't known you for that long, you just, again, sound like someone who hasn't been trying to make themselves a victim and has acknowledged their wrongdoing. And maybe you haven't always done that in the past, but why do you think he's so obsessed with you? That's my question.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You know, I. I really don't know, because a victim actually is someone who sits back and blames other people and doesn't do anything. Like, I'm still trying to make myself a better person, so I'm not a victim. And it really. Oh, you know, Tamara has put that victim, victim, victim out there for years, and I'm. I'm tired of that. I don't know. You know, it's. It's interesting. I got a DM, and I never look at the DMs, but I happened to look the other day, and someone said, I'm sitting next to John Jan at a restaurant, and all he's doing is talking about you. And then she sent me photographs of him and his animated hands and all that, and it's like, yikes. But, you know, I don't know. Well, like, I wanted to ask Alexis at the reunion, but I didn't have a chance to say. If you sleep in the same bed with John, how many minutes go by before my name is uttered when you wake up in the morning?

[Nick Viall]

That would've been great.

[Natalie Joy]

That's a really good question.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I wanted to ask it. Dammit.

[Nick Viall]

You can actually just look to camera.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

How many minutes go by every morning when you wake up with John before my name is mentioned?

[Nick Viall]

One, maybe.

[Natalie Joy]

Answer?

[Nick Viall]

Two, Bitch.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I don't know. Five, max.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, in fairness to John, it might be Alexis who brings it up first because she equally seems obsessed.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I don't know. You know, they keep saying for me to move on, and I have. I just don't. I don't want to talk about them. I don't want to think about them.

[Nick Viall]

This is. You are doing us a favor. We are talking about them.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Okay?

[Nick Viall]

So I want to make it clear to anyone listening, Shannon would talk about anything else other than John. Alexis. But she is doing us a favor.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

We want the answer no, and that's perfectly fine. I mean, that's the thing. When all this is happening, of course that's going to be the first question anybody asks me. It would be the first question I'd want to answer.

[Nick Viall]

He seems like a bully, your ex, to me. I don't want to get in trouble.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I don't want to see. It is what it is. I don't think this is about money. I think it's about his, quote, reputation. I mean, the last.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I did.

[Nick Viall]

Where's that going for him?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, he's ruining it himself.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I did watch what happens live. And like, 10 minutes before I went on, I tried to settle it again with him, and he came back with, if I issue a public statement saying that he was generous during the relationship and that I didn't pay for everything. And I'm not alleging that I did just at the beginning I did. And that he. And that I knew that when he gave me money, it was a loan, but he wants people to think he's a generous person.

[Natalie Joy]

So this sounds like you were being held hostage and you're like, holding a newspaper and there's like, a gun behind a camera and you're like, he is generous. He is a good.

[Nick Viall]

I kind of wish I was gonna say I wish. Shannon, honestly, I kind of wish you would have agreed to it because I kind of wish you would have, like, gone on an Instagram, done, like, a bit.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And didn't, like. All right. John was super generous, you know, like and do. And real lean in. I think I kind of wish he would have done that.

[Natalie Joy]

He didn't say in what tone you.

[Whitney Carson]

Needed to say it.

[Nick Viall]

Right?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

He didn't have to say you tone. I'm sure it wouldn't be satisfactory.

[Natalie Joy]

No, nothing will appease him. No.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Right, right. And that's when I was in the reunion last season. I was so stressed out because it was like, you gotta defend me. You gotta defend me. Da, da, da, da, da. And when I came and I went, you know, through the list of things that I had said, you know, it wasn't good enough. And I said, whatever I said, it'll never be good enough. And even though I said X, Y and Z, we don't know if they're gonna put X, Y and Z on because we filmed for like hours and hours for the reunion.

[Natalie Joy]

So we have, I feel like, very much had your back with these quote unquote videos that Alexis wants to keep throwing out. I think, Nick, you've said it very well. Of like, anything you see from that night, you can't imagine, it's going to.

[Nick Viall]

Be like, I'm just like, did you kill someone?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, the thing is, I mean, I, I really. I had a lot to drink and I was.

[Nick Viall]

You made some mistakes.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I was 2.2.4, whatever that. And yeah, it was a lot. And so I don't remember things that happened during that night. So, yeah, it's. It's hard because I've come so far and it's over. Well over a year now. A little over a year. And I just, I don't know. Why bring that up? Like, I don't want to be the David Hasselhoff eating the hamburger video.

[Nick Viall]

Because he wants you to suffer and he's a bully.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I, you know, I don't know. I don't know what's on it, but we don't care.

[Nick Viall]

We.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

He says he's not going to release it, so I'm hopeful because it just would be. I don't think it would be a good look for him. Well, I mean, it release, it definitely.

[Natalie Joy]

Won'T make him look any better.

[Nick Viall]

And whatever you did, I'll probably be like, yeah, she was having a bad night. Like, we know that already. I. You know what I'm saying?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Like, yeah, I mean, it's bad. The whole thing is bad. And I'm so horrified about it. You know, people will be kind to me and they'll say, oh, I had a DUI too. And it's like, yeah, when you were 20. I have flipping 59. So it's. You know, I tried to. Tried to lead by example for my kids, so it wasn't a good look.

[Nick Viall]

And you. And you seem appropriately embarrassed. And when people like us, you know, not that we're trying to let you off the hook, but, you know, people, we want to offer you grace. And you're very quick to say, hey, you know, I don't. You know, I did that shit. You've clearly owned your mission mistake. Which is what I don't understand about your peers, because they keep acting like you and you haven't, which is so bizarre. I don't know how. I don't know if they're not. Not listening to you.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I don't know. I just. I will say, though, that where I am today, I don't know that I would have got to this point if all the things hadn't happened. I really don't think that I would have. So, you know, at some point, I'll say I'm super grateful for it all, that, you know, it is what it is. And I'm. If I can say I'm happy today, that's a good thing. I don't know that I've ever been happier. And I'm by myself. And that's the thing. I didn't go on a date for a year because I want to know that I will be okay. I want to find that partner. But if I don't, I'm going to be okay by myself because I did it.

[Nick Viall]

Is it me, or does it seem like a lot of the men in OC are obsessed with the housewives? Because it seems like, well, you know, you got John, who's now dating, who dated you, and now dating Alexis. And then we have Alexis. Ex was seen out to dinner with some other former housewife. They kind of seem like housewife chasers, you know, Like.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I don't know. I mean, John didn't. Hadn't watched any episodes when he met me, but I think he did a crash course and watched a lot. But I don't know that. I mean, it's a really small town and I don't go out all that often. It's just a small town.

[Nick Viall]

No, I know, but there's only like five or six housewives.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, I.

[Nick Viall]

Guess maybe over the years there's more, but like, these guys seem to always find their way into.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just. I'm not on the out there. In the scene. So I don't really know a lot, a lot about that.

[Whitney Carson]

You made a statement on the show that you were saying like, this is my real life. And the women like jumped on it. But with everything, I feel like there's so many blurred lines with like your ex, your relationships, new co stars.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, how do you. You know and that. It kind of makes me mad because there are certain castmates that might not show you everything. And I do. So what I meant by that statement was, you know, when the show's over and if I'm not getting along with this person, I cannot speak to them until we film again. Like, you can, you can shut it off. I can't shut it off. I still have a lawsuit.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You know, I still, There are still things going on that I can't just say, okay, we're not filming anymore, I don't have to deal with it for a couple months. And that's what I meant.

[Nick Viall]

Right. Well, it was, and we love Heather. But it was a bit of a disingenuous comment from Heather because we know Heather doesn't want her entire life on this show. That's why. And I, and I, and I respected her for it. I respected her for trying to have that off camera moment with Terry. You know, that was like, hey, don't talk to me that way. I know it was a hot mic moment and it caught its way, but I respected her wanting to protect her relationship there. And it's like to your point, you guys don't film365 all year round. And so for her to make that comment with especially her of all people, like, we know she loves a boundary when it comes to her life and her TV life and she's not putting her entire life on tv. She's very clearly selective. We have no problem with that. So it's kind of bullshit for her to call you out for that.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, that was just a hard dinner for me. I was so excited to Finally. I. In 10 seasons, I had never hosted an all cast trip. So it was funny because every time I filmed I would go, wouldn't it be fun to go to Europe for my 60th birthday? And so production, it got to be a joke in the end. Would take a bet how many minutes before Shannon brings up that trip. I was lobbying for it all season.

[Natalie Joy]

And you got it.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I did. And like I flew and I came home early. So yeah, it was super great.

[Nick Viall]

We love that. Well, I mean, yeah, your co stars hated it. They seemed trying to ruin it.

[Whitney Carson]

Shannon Hated it.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah. No, I mean, it was bad.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, it was bad. I hated that. That was like your birthday trip. And every night it was a taxi.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Every night, every single day. And so I asked in the. Can we please just. I'm not confronting anybody. I don't want. I, I, I have had a hell trip. I just want to have a nice afternoon. That didn't happen, so I went home.

[Natalie Joy]

It must be exhausting.

[Nick Viall]

Joel Kim, Booster. Did you, like, take a baseball bat to his kneecaps or something, or spit on his face?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

No, I was very shocked. I was in the airport, you know, we had wrapped, and the last thing that I, when I saw him is when we finished filming, he had tears in his eyes for me, and he hugged me. So I really, I don't know what's going on. And it's, it's hurtful and it's upsetting to me because I always get close to the crew there. I, they can. I consider them like my family. And in fact, the first night of production, I went into craft services. Like, I'm going to get to know you all. We're going to be together for over three weeks and we're going to become a big family. So I don't know. It's really, really. It was really hurtful.

[Nick Viall]

Where were you when you found out about that poetry?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

In the airport.

[Nick Viall]

You were in the airport?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

In the airport with, you know, some of my castmates and some of the guys from the show, the men, and with some of the producers, actually.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, and what was your first thought?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Like, what's going on?

[Natalie Joy]

Were the people around you just as shocked?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Absolutely. Every single person was. The girls, Gisele, Luann and Ashley, who I love to death. Like, we're bonded for life now. But they were really supportive. Just everyone was surprised.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. When he apologized, it made him look so much worse.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I felt like, well, it wasn't. I don't feel when someone says, oh, I'm sorry I caused her to spiral and I hope she can make her way back. I didn't spiral, so I don't know.

[Natalie Joy]

But it's also like the things that he said in his original post, I hope she suffers. That's like, talked about your children.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I mean, no, the talking about my girls who, you know, who were part of it. That was really. They were upset about it.

[Nick Viall]

And then he was like, he went on some podcast, was like, he had a bad day, like, as if he like, oops. He was just like, oh, of course. I didn't mean that. I was like, what you don't say something like that and say like, ask for takes backsies or whatever the fuck he was doing.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, you know, when the show airs, own it. I'm so excited about the show airing, by the way. It's going to really good. But when he. When you see the show, he's gonna look silly because he was nothing. We were nothing but friendly with each other.

[Whitney Carson]

Did he directly apologize to you?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I did get an email. Okay, that email. He sent me an email.

[Danny Amendola]

Yes.

[Whitney Carson]

So formal.

[Nick Viall]

That's some weak. An email.

[Natalie Joy]

He could have gotten your phone number from someone. Have you forgiven him or are we kind of just like a. I mean.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I. I can forgive anyone, but you can forgive. You don't to forget. And I, I don't think it was a genuine apology and I'll just leave it at that.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I was such a fan of him and then he did that and I was like, ew.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, I think we were all, I.

[Nick Viall]

Don'T want that person in my orbit.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, I think we were all shocked and I think it was all like, no one, you know, none of us were on that set. We had no idea, like, you know, what you had done that was so terrible. But at the end of the day, we're like, she has been going through a lot. Like, if she snapped at someone, that's allowed. We offer her grace for that. Like, clearly she's been going through a lot. She's been under a lot of stress. Like, I don't know what she could have done that like, would give this sort of response. But hearing like, you done nothing is just.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, no, I mean, we all get tired and we like, each one of us had points where like, okay, like, I haven't eaten or, you know, I'm exhausted or I need to get. I need to take a walk away. Yeah, but you know, it wasn't like berating and screaming and. No, not at all.

[Nick Viall]

What was so crazy about it is that he did a thing and then tried to take it back and being like as if it was an overreaction. A bad. So whatever he accused you of, he accused you of essentially having some moment of which he felt like you. And it's like. And then the thing he did was the thing that he is essentially accusing you of, like doing something so horrific, saying something so horrific publicly.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I didn't. And all I can say is I didn't. So, you know, who knows? Maybe one day he'll realize that anything he thinks that I did, I don't treat people what I think he Said subhuman. I don't do that.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, yeah, subhuman.

[Nick Viall]

He treated you subhuman.

[Natalie Joy]

Where do you and Alexis stand today?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Nowhere.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Where do you and Tamara.

[Whitney Carson]

Opposite poles of the.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You know, I'm not speaking to Tamara, so, you know, we are where we are. I get to take that break.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

If you could put Tamara on pause, would you.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

What does on pause mean? Oh, you mean, like, I. You know what? I don't. I don't ever like to comment about, oh, I wish someone doesn't. Won't come back on the show. It's everyone's livelihood, you know, so I don't want to mess with that. But I did it. I filmed with her. So, you know, if I needed to. But, you know, it's. It's never going to be the same with her. It isn't.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

What do you think Tamra's real problem with you is? Because I feel like you guys start off the season like, she apologizes or you guys come to terms with things and then you're fine, and then she just keeps picking at you, picking at you, starting with you again. And this past season, I'm like, the vitriol that's come out of her against you. It's like, what did you do to her?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I don't know.

[Whitney Carson]

Literally nothing.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, I said she had a big ego. She does, and I'll admit that. And she heard that I said that to someone. Okay, Okay. I did.

[Whitney Carson]

Because last time she was upset because you guys didn't speak when she wasn't on the show.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

But I did speak, and I have text messages to prove it. But, see, I don't like to go tit for tat. Like, I don't think the viewers like to see that either. No, you did. Yeah, I didn't. You know, it's like, who. No one wants to see that. So it's like. And that's. I have done that quite often. It's like brush things under the rug in deference to the friendship and because I don't want to get into it and have that battle. But now I'm going to have to get more into that nitty gritty if necessary.

[Natalie Joy]

Are you drawing the line for the friendship, or is there never a way back? Or are you.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, you know, right now I will say no, there is no way back. No. It's a toxic relationship, and I am doing everything I can to eliminate toxicity from my life.

[Nick Viall]

What do you think of her most recent comments regarding her diagnosis?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Okay, so, you know, I. Yeah, I don't really want to comment on her mental health. All I can say is I hope she gets the support she needs.

[Nick Viall]

Graceful queen, what is life for you today?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, it's kind of fun. I could have lied. With this new show, we film our interview confessionals in New York. So I'm going to be spending a lot of time back there. And I have two of my three daughters that live in New York City, so I'm having fun. And I met a lot of new people on the show, the Love Hotel. And I have. We're all going to be friends for life, so I'm meeting up with some of them. So I was spending time with them. We were just really good friends. So. Just having fun. And you know what? I don't know that I am. I don't know that I'm even ready for a relationship right now. And I think that's okay. It's just, I want to have fun, and then maybe at some point say, okay, where do I have the most fun? Who do I have the most fun with?

[Nick Viall]

Kind of thing.

[Whitney Carson]

But you deserve it.

[Nick Viall]

Have any. Have any men reached out at all? Even though I know you're not necessarily.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Ready, But, I mean, they're. I mean, I did meet people on the show, and I'll just leave it at that.

[Nick Viall]

Would you say yes to being the next Golden Bachelorette?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, I did. You know, we have some producers that work for the Bachelor franchise. And I said, what about me being the Golden Bachelorette? And then I said, I know you're going to use somebody from the past, so whatever. You know, we just. I put it out there. And then Andy called me and he said, we have an interesting idea. And they. They asked me to join the show the Love Hotel. So I kind of am a Golden Bachelorette on the Love Hotel.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

And I was the oldest. I was. I'm 60, so, yeah.

[Whitney Carson]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, it's. It's really good. Yeah, it's just really good because. And I started watching the Golden Bachelorette. I have to meet Joan. I just feel like I. We have a lot of stuff in common, but in her show and in Love Hotel, you get story because we're older. Like, it's not just like we're young and dating. It's like we have story and issues, and we're all single for a reason. So we all have triggers and all that sort of stuff.

[Nick Viall]

So it's good when you're kicking it. When you're not filming TV shows. What are you doing for fun right now?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, I've been traveling a lot and moving and I'm moving this week before I go back to New York. And I have a really, really small group of friends. And sometimes, like last night, Archie and I went out to dinner by ourselves. I have these neighborhood restaurants that are walking distance and I just do a rotation. So Archie and I went out, but. And that's crazy that I would go out to dinner by myself, but I did.

[Nick Viall]

How just very new Age of you.

[Tamra Judge]

Truly.

[Natalie Joy]

She's just like opening up a new can of worms.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. When. I mean, do we have any hope that this nonsense would John and this silly lawsuit that he's doing, Any clue when you might be able to put this totally behind you?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I mean, I do want to and so does my attorney, but we don't know if the other side wants to put it to bed because people are talking about you when the lawsuit is still going on, so. And that's a bummer, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think they're hanging onto it to help ensure that Alexis gets back on next season? I feel like that's maybe like they, they.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You know what? Go ahead. And if, if everyone wants to bring Alexis back, then have a nice time with her because I'm not filming with her ever again. I'm not. No.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm not a boundary.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

No, I'm not going to put myself through that again. It was really, really difficult and I, you know, so someone told me that recently. She said, oh, well, it was difficult for me.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I saw that. That was crazy.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You didn't need to come then, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Actually.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Sorry.

[Nick Viall]

That was so crazy. I'm like, no, Alexis, we don't care about you or feel bad at all.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, I took her place. Sorry. And I'm still here after 10 years. I mean, who knows if I'm here for year 11, but for now, 10 seasons and I'm still sitting here. And then she says, well, I'm. Well, I back after 10 years. Well, as a friend talking about you, obsessed with you.

[Natalie Joy]

I think you said that on the show, didn't you?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I did.

[Danny Amendola]

Yeah, you did.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

That was.

[Nick Viall]

So you're. You. Do you know to like, if you won't film with her?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I just, I mean, I think it's pretty clear that it was a lot. It was a lot for me. I do feel like, I don't know that I really said anything unkind.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, it's one thing to film. Ashley Blaine Featherson.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I am now a little bit sorry.

[Natalie Joy]

No, I think you're allowed to. This woman has been coming after you constantly.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

She says I am. So it's just, it's just, it's frustrating and you know, this. Whatever, enough is enough. So. And you know, I don't know that's the first time I said that. So now I'm probably in trouble.

[Natalie Joy]

No, you're not at all.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

But I have no interest in. I'm not going to do that to myself again.

[Natalie Joy]

100%.

[Nick Viall]

That seems like a human thing to say, Shannon.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

No, thank you.

[Nick Viall]

It is.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, it's one thing to say.

[Nick Viall]

You could be in trouble for protecting your mental health.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I don't know.

[Natalie Joy]

It is one thing to film with your ex's new partner. That's one thing. Cordial. Let's try to make. But this person is not. They're trying to make your life hell. They're constantly going after you. It is a, A total mess up on your mental health. Like AB. I 100% back you being like, I'm not filming with this person.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I just, I'm just, I'm not interested.

[Nick Viall]

Listen, if Alexis wants to be on this TV show, she needs to come up with a reason to be on it other than being obsessed with you.

[Whitney Carson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Because it's not that she's. She has to be interesting on her own. So.

[Natalie Joy]

How many times do you think she practiced? There's the door. Shannon Bedor in the mirror.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Multiple.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Whitney Carson]

Did the dog situation weird you out, her having the same dog as you?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah, I mean, I.

[Nick Viall]

She's obsessed.

[Natalie Joy]

It's wild.

[Nick Viall]

She's obsessed. The answer to all the collections is.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yes, but I think that she had the dog for a while. I, I think, I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

Shannon, we know you gotta get going, but we just wanna say thank you so much for coming.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Thank you, guys. Like, I feel so honored that you've been so kind.

[Nick Viall]

We just call it like we see.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

It this year, Nick.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we're not disingenuous. We really are fans of you and we like, we love watching these shows because we do know that like, people fuck up and make mistakes and, and we, you know, and we can, we can criticize that, but we enjoy people like you who have been willing to, you know, as difficult as it can seem and be sometimes to try their best to hold themselves accountable and improve on themselves. And it's been really fun and enjoyable to watch you this season.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

And I, it's. Yeah, we've become, we've become such fans. So good luck the rest of the way. We can't wait to see you on Is it Love Hotel?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yes, yes. The Love Hotel.

[Natalie Joy]

Fall in love on Love Hotel.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. All right.

[Joel Kim Booster]

Bye, Shannon.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You.

[Nick Viall]

Thanks for listening. We appreciate all our guests Shannon, Danny and Whitney joining the show. Thanks for listening. Be sure to check out the episode of Going Deeper with Jalil White that dropped on Wednesday. And we are back for an electric week headlining a Going Deeper episode with Ashley from Love Is Blind. If you left Reunion wanting more. Like many many of us, all of us, quite frankly, Ashley sits down with us to go in great detail all of the kind of backstory between her and Tyler's relationship, the whole baby mama drama, every little detail about the conversations her and Tyler had and conversations they had with baby mama. It's an episode you definitely do not want to miss. That is next Wednesday. Plus we got some excellent episodes of Rail Recap. We'll see you then. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too. With the name your price tool for from Progressive. It works just the way it sounds. You tell Progressive how much you want to pay for your car insurance and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. Get your quote [e-mail] and join over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law AT&T customers Switching to T Mobile has never been easier. We'll pay off your existing phone and give you a new one free. All on America's largest 5G network. Visit t mobile.com CarrierFreedom to switch today pay off up to 650 via virtual prepaid MasterCard in 15 days. Free phone up to 830 via 24 monthly bill credits plus tax qualifying port and trade and service on go 5G next and credit required. Contact us before canceling entire account to continue bill credits or credit stop and balance and required finance agreement is due. Helix Sleep Wish I was in my Helix mattress right now. I tell you that right now because I am sleepy but when I get whenever I get done with work I am so excited to lay my heavy head on my Helix mattress because it is the most comfortable mattress ever made. Truly it's the greatest invention right next to electricity. I actually would put it right before electricity because I don't need light when I'm sleeping. Helix mattresses are amazing. They have a mattress for everyone We, Natalie and I sleep on the moonlight mattress. But that may not be the one for you. I don't know how you sleep. I don't know if you do you sleep hot? Do you sleep cold? Do you sleep on your side? Do you sleep on your stomach? Do you sleep standing up? Do you sleep on your head? I don't know. But the good thing is Helix has 20 unique mattresses for any kind of sleeper. All you gotta do is take a quick quiz. You just go to helixleep.com answer a couple basic questions about your preferences on how you sleep, how you wanna feel when you sleep, and Helix will select one of their 20 unique amazing mattresses for you so that you can get the best sleep of your life. They have the award winning Lux and Ultra premium elite collections. Plus they have mattresses for even those kiddos. That's right, the little ones need to sleep too. And Helix has amazing mattresses for them as well. They also give you a 100 night sleep trial so you can sleep on it for 100 nights. Try it out, it'll be awesome. And if you don't want it, you can send it back. They also have a 10 to 10 to 15 year warranty on all their mattresses depending on the mattress that you get. If that's not good enough for you, well just know that they were awarded the number one mattress picked by GQ and Wire magazine. Also recommended by multiple leading chiropractors and sleep doctors as the go to solution for improving your sleep. So if you are in the market for a new mattress, look no further than Helix. Just go to helixleep.com Again, answer a couple of those questions and in a few days you will be sleeping on the best mattress ever invented. Helix is offering up 20% off all mattress orders go to helixeep.com v I a l l that is helixleep.com v I a L L With Helix, better sleep starts now.