E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files Episode E837 - "Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram"

Release Date: November 7, 2024
Host: Nick Viall
Guests: Jackie Tohn, members of the Household (Sierra, Justin, Connor, Natalie, Mary)

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1. Introduction and Guest Presentation (01:17 - 03:32)

Nick Viall kicks off the episode with playful banter about his relationship dynamics, setting a lighthearted tone. He introduces the special guest, Jackie Tohn, from her new hit show "Nobody Wants This" on Netflix.

• Nick (01:59): "Later on this episode, we got the amazing Jackie Tohn from the new hit show Nobody Wants This. If you haven't watched it on Netflix, I don't know what you're doing because it's truly amazing."

2. Dating Standards: Vasectomies as Deal Breakers (02:13 - 03:41)

The conversation shifts to dating preferences, with a humorous yet insightful discussion on Jackie Tohn's unique dating criteria—favoring men who have undergone vasectomies.

• Sierra (02:15): "Honestly? Yeah."
• Natalie (03:33): "She's also saying that she's not going to date another 23 year old. She later confessed her perfect guy would be a man who is 44, successful, and has two kids going off to college. Vasectomy."

3. Tom Brady’s Instagram Behavior (03:43 - 05:01)

The hosts delve into Tom Brady's recent shift on social media, portraying a more vulnerable and emotional side, contrasting his usually composed public persona.

• Connor (04:00): "Tom Brady is posting like a teenage girl... He's like, posting like really deep quotes."
• Jackie (04:30): "And then Tom Brady is experiencing the emotions that literally a 13-year-old girl figures out just now."

4. Gypsy Rose's Paternity Drama (08:59 - 20:38)

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Gypsy Rose’s ongoing legal battle and paternity test results concerning her ex, Ryan. The hosts express sympathy and discuss the complexities of her situation.

• Jackie (08:58): "She’s pregnant."
• Mary (19:11): "Heather Gay is ordered to pay Monica Garcia $35,000 after failing to pay her lip injection bill... we have every intention of appealing and are confident in the outcome moving forward."
• Nick (19:13): "Gypsy, I'll always have your back."

5. Real Housewives of New York (RHONY) Lawsuit and Drama (17:30 - 20:38)

The discussion transitions to RHONY, specifically focusing on the legal issues between Heather Gay and Monica Garcia over unpaid fees for cosmetic procedures. Monica’s public statements reveal her frustration with online backlash and societal distractions.

• Nick (17:30): "How do you feel about that?"
• Jackie (20:06): "She didn’t have to talk about it."

6. Personal Journeys: Jackie’s Reality TV Experiences (52:02 - 84:35)

Jackie Tohn shares her journey through reality television, detailing her experiences on American Idol, GLOW, and "Nobody Wants This". She recounts the challenges of auditions, navigating fame, and her interactions with industry professionals.

• Jackie (52:21): "If I had looked him up, I would have been like, sure."
• Nick (53:31): "But I watched you get GLOW and I was like, she's fucking doing. I've chills."
• Jackie (77:48): "I used to have an eBay business called Oh, God. It was just called famous people stuff..."

7. Fan Culture Segment: Eagles vs. Cowboys and Vikings vs. Jaguars (42:06 - 49:28)

In the Vibes vs. Stats segment, the hosts compare fan cultures of different NFL teams. The Eagles vs. Cowboys rivalry is dissected, highlighting the blue-collar ethos of Eagles fans against the affluent image of Cowboys supporters.

• Connor (42:14): "Eagles fans have a chip on their shoulder because they're like the working-class underdogs in Philly."
• Nick (46:57): "I'm going to go Eagles. I'm going to go Eagles."

The segment continues with a comparison between the Vikings and the Jaguars, discussing the passion and uniqueness of each fan base.

• Sierra (47:30): "We talked about purple. Purple is not a good color. Yeah."
• Sierra (49:17): "I do love the necklace of the. That necklace is kind of serving in..."

8. Relationships and Personal Insights (84:35 - 115:01)

The conversation circles back to personal relationships, with discussions about maintaining friendships within the entertainment industry, managing fame, and the importance of support systems in personal lives.

• Jackie (86:03): "Being on this show and being out in the world, I feel the difference as a person..."
• Sierra (94:28): "How did your parents feel when you went on American Idol? Were they like, hell yeah? Or were they like, this is a disgrace?"
• Jackie (95:16): "I believe Simon Cowell was like, this girl’s a star, but what are we going to do with her here?"

9. Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes (116:10 - 120:12)

Nick wraps up the episode by teasing upcoming segments and encouraging listeners to check out previous "Going Deeper" episodes featuring other reality TV personalities. The Household members share final anecdotes and reflections on the discussions.

• Nick (116:11): "Do we like Charles dyed hair? Yes, I do."
• Jackie (114:33): "I love RuPaul's Drag Race. It’s my absolute dream to sit near Rue and Michelle."

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Notable Quotes:

• Nick (01:17): "And babe, I know we're gonna work out. I know we are gonna make it forever."
• Jackie (02:22): "She said, you want to know what else is a deal breaker for me? I want someone who's had a vasectomy."
• Connor (04:00): "Tom Brady is posting like a teenage girl."
• Nick (19:13): "Gypsy, I'll always have your back."
• Jackie (52:21): "I didn't look up Nick. I didn't look up the podcast. I didn't look up anything. Idiot."
• Jackie (77:48): "I was cleaning out famous people's closets and then selling their stuff online."
• Connor (42:14): "Eagles fans have a chip on their shoulder because they're like the working-class underdogs in Philly."
• Sierra (49:17): "I do love the necklace of the. That necklace is kind of serving in..."
• Jackie (86:03): "I feel the difference as a person being on this show and being out in the world."

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Conclusion:

This episode of "The Viall Files" provides a rich tapestry of discussions ranging from unique dating preferences and high-profile celebrity behaviors to in-depth looks at reality TV dynamics and personal anecdotes from guests like Jackie Tohn. The hosts engage in lively debates, share personal stories, and offer insightful commentary on the intersection of fame, relationships, and pop culture. Notably, the episode delves into sensitive topics such as legal battles among reality TV stars and the personal growth experienced through participation in reality television. For listeners interested in the behind-the-scenes aspects of reality TV and celebrity relationships, this episode offers an engaging and comprehensive exploration.

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[Jackie]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Wildfiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. And babe, I know we're gonna work out. I know we are gonna make it forever. But if for some reason we don't.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. Are you divorcing me?

[Jackie]

Absolutely not.

[Nick]

Absolute.

[Sierra]

But this the time, he's like, I think we're done.

[Justin]

I can leave.

[Nick]

So, like, we have. We have three or four kids. We're done having kids. And then I don't. Maybe I die. I die. I would. Because I would never leave you.

[Sierra]

What the hell is going on?

[Nick]

Well, I. But what's. What's better, me leaving you or me dying?

[Justin]

This is an intrusive thought.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Manifest it. Say thank you for coming into my head. But it's not going to happen.

[Nick]

Knock on what? Later on this episode, we got the amazing Jackie tone from the new hit show Nobody wants this. If you haven't watched it on Netflix. I don't know what you're doing because it's truly amazing. Amazing. But she's with us. And she's so much fun. Get ready to laugh out loud. Would you only date men with a vasectomy?

[Sierra]

Honestly? Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

She said we had three or four kids.

[Justin]

Yup. My dad has a vasectomy.

[Nick]

Okay, good to know.

[Justin]

That's a real thing.

[Sierra]

I don't. It's a real thing. They actually do the procedure. I. I don't know if that would be like a first date question. I don't know if that would be something that.

[Nick]

I wouldn't put it on your dating bio.

[Sierra]

I wouldn't put it on the bio.

[Nick]

Putting on her dating bio.

[Natalie]

She put it out in the, in the universe.

[Sierra]

Yeah, she put it out in the world.

[Nick]

Was it like funny, ha ha, ha ha. Or is she dead serious?

[Mary]

She said, you want to know what else is a deal breaker for me? I want someone who's had a vasectomy.

[Sierra]

I don't want to have to worry about how hot.

[Nick]

But like she was dating the hot.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

22 year old, like. And I'm going to go ahead and assume that the reason he said he.

[Sierra]

Wanted to have kids with her. So I think maybe the reason I.

[Justin]

Hesitated is because it is kind of somewhat jokingly, but it's also, I think she's being serious in a sense. You know, I get it. Like the contrast has to be serious if she's throwing it out there.

[Sierra]

It is interesting how she went from like, Like, I remember when she had him on her podcast and she was like, you know, people want to know, like, what's our end game? And he was like, definitely like marriage. And she was like, kids. You can say it. He was like, yeah, kids, for sure.

[Nick]

I think they broke up like a week later.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But I think that we know why. Yeah, I think that the. I think she's joki haha. But also I think she's like letting everyone know that she's like, not in the market for more children.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And she's also saying that she's not going to date another 23 year old. She later confessed her perfect guy would be a man who is 44, successful, and has two kids going off to college. Vasectomy.

[Nick]

You know who didn't get a vasectomy?

[Natalie]

Who?

[Nick]

Giselle's new boyfriend.

[Natalie]

Absolutely not.

[Nick]

And Tom Brady is. He's. He's tweeting like a teenager.

[Sierra]

Wait, did you say you know who you know who did it?

[Nick]

That was Mary's joke. Sorry, I. I stole from Mary.

[Connor]

It's okay.

[Sierra]

She was really quiet.

[Justin]

Who got the vasectomy? Giselle.

[Natalie]

Giselle's boyfriend.

[Jackie]

No, no, Giselle.

[Nick]

I don't think it works that way.

[Justin]

No, I know, I know.

[Nick]

But did your mom also get one?

[Justin]

No. I was thinking about what side of The Brady drama. Got it.

[Sierra]

So Giselle's boyfriend does not have a vasectomy.

[Nick]

Well, she's pregnant.

[Jackie]

Correct.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Okay. Wow. The joke. That was.

[Mary]

That was Nick's transition.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah, that was Nick's transition.

[Nick]

Sorry, guys.

[Justin]

Tom Brady is posting like a teenage girl.

[Connor]

He is literally listening to Lana Del Rey. He is like, posting like really deep quotes. Tom Brady is experiencing the emotions that literally a 13 year old girl figures out just now.

[Nick]

I respect it. I love it.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

What are some of the things he's posting through it?

[Nick]

He definitely shouldn't be doing this.

[Sierra]

What was his first post? Wasn't it like, sunset?

[Connor]

It was a sunset with. With the chicks. Cover of Landslide.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah.

[Connor]

Which is the most like.

[Sierra]

Yeah, he's going through.

[Connor]

I just saw him at a McDonald's with another girl. You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I love this for him.

[Connor]

I love it for him. This is the first thing.

[Nick]

Sensitive era.

[Sierra]

Yeah. It shows he's human.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Connor]

The first time I've ever had any empathy for him.

[Sierra]

How would you feel if you divorced me and then you were like, I'm going to go date like, like a bunch of like, models and like, fudge this bitch and style. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, well, I'm pregnant by like my, like, hot new. Is he hot? Do we know what he looks like?

[Nick]

I think. Isn't the assumption that there is a bit of an overlap with Giselle and Mr. Karate?

[Sierra]

Oh, is this him?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

The jiu jitsu guy?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I mean, yeah, there's. Everybody always says there is an overlap. So.

[Nick]

So if you left and she left him, she filed for divorce.

[Sierra]

Oh.

[Nick]

So.

[Sierra]

Well, I guess I don't know much about it.

[Connor]

I don't know. But he's posting through it.

[Nick]

But if. If you did leave me for a karate guy, I would definitely post Landslide. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And then.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And talk about Mario Lansky at Mario M. I'd mow it.

[Justin]

Wait, does everybody have a heartbreak song?

[Nick]

Well, it used to be John Mayer. John Mayer really got me through some break.

[Connor]

What would you post? Leia?

[Mary]

I would post Smallest Man Alive by Dave Portnoy and Josh Richardson.

[Sierra]

Could y'all imagine? Like. Like, it's pretty fire. Wait, say like Connor, like, breaks up with you, Sierra. And like, Nick is like, let's Justin, like, let's do a diss track.

[Justin]

I would do.

[Sierra]

How would you feel about that?

[Natalie]

I mean, if he did to me what. Sure, Zach did. Then yeah, I'd be like, I respect it. Thank you for loving me and showing me support and Fuck that guy.

[Nick]

Zach Ryan is posting like she never existed.

[Jackie]

It's wild.

[Connor]

His whole career is posting like a teenage.

[Justin]

His whole career is subtle. Distracts of women.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah, that is true.

[Justin]

So it's like, if he can do it, we can do it.

[Nick]

Is he the Taylor Swift of country men?

[Justin]

Yeah, kind of, in a way. Yeah.

[Sierra]

It is crazy because he has been kind of like teasing his new songs that he's writing and they're very much clearly like a heartbreak. Like, I'm waiting by the phone for a call that will never happen, whatever the lyrics are.

[Nick]

But it might not land.

[Sierra]

No, it's landing. People are like, hell fucking yeah. Like, Zach is back.

[Connor]

It's landing.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's landing. People love a heartbreak song.

[Nick]

People love the artist.

[Sierra]

They do. And honestly, I think that's why he did it. I think he was like, I need, like, heartbreak. I need to feel something and I need to write a new album.

[Justin]

I mean, this diss track, I will say I went to look for it on Spotify and this morning it's disabled. So you can find it, but you can't play it. But it's still on TikTok.

[Natalie]

Isn't that like censorship or something?

[Nick]

There's a lot of that.

[Justin]

There's gotta be something going on in the process. Yeah.

[Natalie]

He's like, you can't play that. How much power does Zac Bryan have at Spotify?

[Nick]

Is it on YouTube?

[Sierra]

I don't know, but the music video is on YouTube.

[Justin]

We have it linked if you want to watch it.

[Sierra]

It's definitely not a good song. Like, it's not like, I love that. I don't know if I'd characterize it. It's like a good song.

[Nick]

I don't mean like, oh, it's going to win a Grammy. I mean, like, it's catchy and like.

[Justin]

This track for a reason.

[Nick]

Yeah. They got their girls back. It's. And it's. And it's a funny. It's silly and it's goofy and they're talking shit in a very creative way.

[Justin]

I'm a sucker for auto, too.

[Sierra]

And I kind of giving, like, old school YouTube beef. Yeah. You know, which I love.

[Natalie]

I was going to say I'm kind of all day.

[Justin]

Throw it back.

[Connor]

Can we just do a silly one? Yeah. Like a silly little diss track.

[Justin]

What is the last diss track you remember? Because I think of, like.

[Sierra]

I mean, I. Jake Paul. I would probably just say, like, Kendrick Lamar and Drake.

[Justin]

Okay, well, that's recent. Yeah, true.

[Nick]

Do you think Gypsy Rose's ex Ryan should make a diss track because they be messy right now.

[Connor]

That's a good transition.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

And if so, listen, I, you know.

[Nick]

I still give her a pass.

[Sierra]

I don't know. She's been saying, like, listen, like, I need him to move on. I want him to be happy. And then he's like, smacking a girl's ass, and she's like, well, he is my husband still, and we are still married. So it's like you're pregnant with another man's baby. He smacks a girl's ass, and it's like, absolutely.

[Jackie]

The.

[Nick]

I kind of respect the hypocrisy and delusion and just full force.

[Justin]

Yeah, well, and he's not the one posting all of these videos, too. Like, some of the women of that are around. Ryan are the ones posting it. And Gypsy's commenting on the women's post?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Nick]

She's how many months pregnant?

[Sierra]

She's like, in her third trimester.

[Nick]

Yeah. Maybe she's just, you know, maybe she's feeling a certain sort of way. Her body's alienating her.

[Sierra]

This is not the place she needs to be putting her energy in this last semester of pregnancy.

[Nick]

Gypsy, I'll always have your back.

[Connor]

Imagine that you're the girl that's, like, dating Ryan, and your ideal clout chasing is Gypsy Rose's ex's Ryan. You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Like, that's crazy.

[Sierra]

That kind of is.

[Justin]

You're saying the girls are clout chasing by dating Ryan if they're, like, posting about it or they like him.

[Jackie]

True.

[Sierra]

Well, they're not. No, no, no. These are not. Like, these are my boyfriend. This is like, we're at a bonfire in the middle of nowhere. Oh, Ryan Anderson is there. Let's post a catchy TikTok.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

You know, and like, I did make.

[Justin]

A point that Ryan is kind of just stiff body standing there.

[Sierra]

He was. And then she was twerking on him and he's like, fuck it, I was my grass. Yeah, it's going to be.

[Connor]

What else would you guys twerk on Ryan for?

[Nick]

How much?

[Connor]

One million views on TikTok.

[Mary]

A million views?

[Nick]

I'd probably do it for 50 bucks.

[Connor]

Okay, you're twerking.

[Nick]

Twerk on him.

[Sierra]

Twerk on him.

[Natalie]

It was like, okay, I will Venmo you right now.

[Nick]

I'm literally just bending over. What, shaking my ass.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And he has to smack it for $50.

[Nick]

I'll be honest. I'd do it for free. I don't like to dare. Like, I'm not Like, that's true.

[Justin]

I would do it too.

[Nick]

I'm not, not afraid, like, what is going to happen? Hey, I mean, to be clear, my. My pants are still on in this scenario.

[Sierra]

Like, well, you'd make an enemy out of Gypsy.

[Jackie]

Probably.

[Justin]

Yeah. Gypsy would be commenting on this is about to be.

[Connor]

Nick said, no one has to pay me to shake my ass.

[Sierra]

Nick's gonna twerk on Ryan. Wants to twerk on Ryan Anderson.

[Connor]

Breaking news.

[Nick]

I'm just saying, do it.

[Sierra]

I'll do it for 50.

[Jackie]

Breaking news.

[Connor]

Nick Vile wants to twerk on Ryan.

[Mary]

Gypsy's gonna get in the comments of this video and she's just gonna be like, nick, I thought we were friends.

[Natalie]

My man wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

[Connor]

Would you like to preemptively publicly apologize to Gypsy Rose?

[Nick]

Gypsy, where's my camera? I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. I always have your back.

[Justin]

She did release her paternity results and it is Ken, the father. So we have that answered honestly.

[Nick]

Why did she have to release them?

[Justin]

I mean, she kind of did at this point.

[Natalie]

Because people suck.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But also, like, if we're still going after Ryan, it's like, why are we going after him? Is there a reason? Is it because he's the father of your child? Like, should we. Is there like, some underlying, like, what's going on there? You know, like, I would have some questions.

[Nick]

Kind of feels like getting the test was like, there was some uncertainty.

[Natalie]

No, A lot of people were saying that there was crossover because by the time that she broke up with Ryan or like, ended their marriage and whatnot. But at the same time, like, also.

[Justin]

Remember the laws about, like, if you're legally married, you can't divorce within a period. Or, like, they became the father on the certificate. So I think she just had to.

[Natalie]

To shut everybody up.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Do you think Roger Rabbit ever had to do a paternity test because Jessica Rabbit was so hot?

[Natalie]

Did they have kids?

[Justin]

I was gonna say, did she have kids?

[Connor]

I don't know, but Robert Zemeckis said they give dinks.

[Natalie]

Sorry.

[Connor]

Jessica Rabbit is just too damn sexy for modern Disney.

[Justin]

Well, so the director of, like, the original films basically was asked if there's gonna be another film, and he said, here's what you have to know. And you know this. The current Disney would never make Roger Rabbit today. They can't make a movie with Jessica in it. She's too sexy, essentially.

[Mary]

So, I mean, which cartoon character would you want to fuck?

[Justin]

I feel like we've answered this Before.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I don't remember my answer, though.

[Natalie]

Aladdin, Hercules.

[Sierra]

Who is the Disney adult? Who's. Who's the. Who's the.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the Disney Lion King.

[Sierra]

Who's the Simba?

[Connor]

Simba?

[Natalie]

Mufasa.

[Jackie]

Scar. Scar.

[Sierra]

She's into furry bad boy.

[Connor]

Do you remember in the Lion King, too, that, like, emo guy?

[Justin]

Snow White?

[Natalie]

Cause she talks.

[Justin]

She can sleep.

[Connor]

That's not what Snow White did.

[Justin]

She didn't sleep.

[Connor]

No, that's Sleeping Beauty.

[Natalie]

No, Snow White did.

[Justin]

No, she slept. Sharing the glass case.

[Nick]

Apple, Ariel. But as a mermaid, not as a human.

[Natalie]

Tell me how that works. Tell me how that works exactly.

[Justin]

You know what? Snow White can boss men around. So if you're, like, submissive, you would love.

[Connor]

Snow White is a dom. She's giving dom.

[Natalie]

Jasmine takes. No shit.

[Connor]

Are you submissive?

[Nick]

No.

[Connor]

Hugo from Kim. Possible.

[Natalie]

Not you asking Possible.

[Sierra]

I thought this were, like, getting all of our questions out. You know, like, if I die, if I divorce, he's like, to me, suddenly.

[Justin]

This is Stephen answering his kinks.

[Sierra]

Suddenly.

[Connor]

Yeah, that goth girl from Teen Titans. Remember?

[Justin]

A raven?

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

She's a hot Halloween costume.

[Connor]

She has a hot Halloween costume.

[Justin]

Arnomatics. Jimmy Fallon and Chloe Bailey are going to headline Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.

[Nick]

She's really officially made it.

[Natalie]

Yeah, she really has.

[Justin]

I forgot this existed. First of all, not an offensive way, but, like, I feel like when I was little, the Thanksgiving Parade was, like, the thing.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. It's on our TV every Thanksgiving. And then right after the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

[Connor]

Dog show.

[Sierra]

Dog show. Thank you.

[Nick]

She's on a float with Jimmy Kimmel by herself.

[Natalie]

Jimmy Fallon.

[Nick]

Jimmy Fallon.

[Connor]

How dare you?

[Justin]

I thought white men with brown hair that host a show.

[Nick]

I'll apologize to Kimmel for that. But I mean, kind of a big deal, like post Ariana Pump by herself, like, not. And not as a member of Vanderpump. Just as Ariana Maddox.

[Justin]

Well, I wonder if she's Ariana Maddox. The Chicago.

[Jackie]

Are we going to get Broadway?

[Nick]

They're not in the flow.

[Natalie]

Yeah, they are. They take, like, the most popular people from Broadway and they put them on flow.

[Justin]

Sure.

[Nick]

I'm just saying.

[Justin]

Annie did it.

[Natalie]

You're still right.

[Nick]

Why are you trying to talk shit about Ariana?

[Connor]

Wait, are we going to see Ariana Maddox sing, like, Cell Block Tango, like, from Chicago?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Is she part of that song? No.

[Connor]

No, she's not. That was Catherine Zeta Jones. Big moment. Yeah. That's incredible. Wait, I'm going to be there.

[Justin]

Charli D'Amelio will also make an appearance, which is interesting because I forgot the D'Amelios were kind of like in the spotlight because I feel like they fizzled.

[Connor]

Out a little bit as Addison Rae took over.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick]

No one saw that coming.

[Justin]

No. Yeah. Addison made a switch up.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick]

What are you thinking about, Natalie?

[Sierra]

Oh, I was thinking about Lala Kin's three year old, Ocean, cutting her own hair and what I would do if river cut her own hair.

[Nick]

I would be proud.

[Justin]

That also did happen. She was an oh, hairstylist.

[Nick]

You would be upset.

[Sierra]

No, I'm being for real. I think like my hair was so bad as a kid because I just like wouldn't stop cutting it. And I think Ocean found the like small. They weren't even like. Did you see the scissors that she used?

[Justin]

Wasn't it like nail clipper kind of ones?

[Sierra]

Yes. Cuticle smallest. And you know, she was just in there, like really, like she had to be going at it.

[Nick]

I would be so proud of River's initiative.

[Natalie]

I will say I think she did a kind of good job. She gave herself a nice little curtain bang. She didn't go too close to the scalp.

[Nick]

Like, definitely wouldn't ruin my day. Yeah, that's for sure.

[Sierra]

She definitely, I think just like as a mom, it's like, oh, honey, no, that's what life.

[Mary]

I think it's a rite of passage. I cut my own hair.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Excited. She got invited to Lala Kent, which is today. Is it.

[Justin]

Oh, are you going?

[Nick]

Is it after this?

[Sierra]

It is. I'm leaving here.

[Nick]

Are you going to say hi? Do you think Lala Kent knows you're coming or do you think you got invited as like an.

[Sierra]

I think I just got invited.

[Nick]

You're just on the invite?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Because I feel like if she then maybe she would have responded to my DM already. Is that something I bring up? Hey, girl, are you going to respond?

[Nick]

How are you going to feel if she acts like she doesn't know you exist?

[Sierra]

I'll be like, hi, I'm.

[Nick]

There's like a nine out of ten.

[Sierra]

You know, I'll introduce myself and I'll be like, yeah, I don't expect everyone to know who I am.

[Nick]

You already met.

[Sierra]

We have?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

When?

[Nick]

At least Evanderpump's event.

[Justin]

Well, now Natalie's doing it.

[Jackie]

Wow. Wow.

[Natalie]

Too famous to remember.

[Sierra]

Okay. But she's not responding to my dm. So what do you do?

[Connor]

You should bring a pair of professional hair cutting scissors to the event and see what she does.

[Justin]

What do you do? What do you do in the instance though, if someone acts like they don't know you but you know, you know each other? Because this happened to me recently and I'm like, she's this. The person that acted like she didn't know me is coming to her friendsgiving.

[Nick]

And were you certain she knew you?

[Justin]

I gave her job advice and then when someone asked her, do you know who this person is? She's like, I've never heard of them.

[Sierra]

Then I'd. When you saw them at Thanksgiving thing, I'd be like, it's so great to meet you.

[Justin]

That's the thing.

[Nick]

What was the advice?

[Justin]

Genuine. Like, this is how you should do it. We were friends before. She was on my finsta in college when I had it. I'm like, this girl knew who I was.

[Connor]

She was on your finsta and she pretended not to know who you are.

[Justin]

That's the thing. So I'm like. To that point it's like, what do you.

[Nick]

Why do you think she did that?

[Justin]

I don't know.

[Sierra]

No, I think you just act like you also don't know her.

[Justin]

So that's what I'm gonna do. So you should do that to Lala.

[Connor]

If she doesn't recognize no, Justin, you should say no. We've met. I gave you job advice and obviously it didn't work because you're dumb.

[Justin]

Okay, well, I'm not that petty.

[Sierra]

Oh my God.

[Connor]

Yeah, that's what I would say.

[Justin]

On your own stuff. Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you hold grudges, Mary?

[Connor]

Honestly, like, no. I just like to say things.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Do you think that Heather Gay held a grudge against Monica for making her pay?

[Justin]

For sure.

[Jackie]

Yeah, for sure.

[Sierra]

Monica Garcia is ordered to pay Heather Gay's Beauty LA have $35,000 after failing to pay her lip injection bill. Remember this was like the ending storyline of last season and it was like one of them. Yeah, it was like five. It was like five grand, wasn't it?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

She has to pay her legal bills.

[Justin]

It was 2000 for her service with a prejudgment interest rate of 18% from 2020 to 2024.

[Natalie]

But because Heather's attorney fees are 31,550, Monica is now responsible for covering that as well.

[Sierra]

Monica spoken about it.

[Justin]

She did post a very long story on her Instagram today, this morning.

[Sierra]

What did she say?

[Justin]

Let me pull it up.

[Connor]

Which wig was Monica wearing when she didn't pay? This is my question.

[Justin]

Here's the thing too. Because we never really got that answer because remember, it was like there was two separate names. And then it was like she had used, like, her father's name in one of them and then used her own name in the other. But then she never said why there were still two separate accounts.

[Nick]

What did Monica say about it when she was here?

[Mary]

I found it if you want me to read it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I didn't feel it appropriate to even comment on the situation yesterday, considering that was hap. What was happening in our country, the things that actually matter. However, waking up this morning, I still don't find it appropriate, but, wow, the fact that this lawsuit was even news on a day like yesterday says a lot. I'm in shock this morning. There is so much going on around us right now. There is so much happening in our country and world, and it's astounding to me that a lawsuit is even on anyone's radar. But here we are. My lawyers have made comments to the outlets reaching out to them, and I find it so convenient that they aren't being shared. This was a shocking and bad decision. We have every intention of appealing and are confident in the outcome moving forward. I would say that I was surprised by the disgusting, hateful comments online, rejoicing in my downfall. But after seeing the decisions happening around us, I'm not surprised at all. Hate, discrimination, the desire to destroy and glorify in people's pain has absolutely taken over this nation.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mary]

My girls are healthy. I stay so grateful and blessed for every opportunity I've been given. There's so much in my life happening that I have to be thankful for and that I'm so excited about. At the end of the day, being sued by someone is minuscule in the grand scheme of things. I am not the first housewife, slash, bravo, Liberty, to be in this situation, nor will I be the last. Believe me when I say we have so much more to worry about. Hoping that all those around our country that are feeling fearful, devastated, shaken, anxious, or lost know that you are not alone.

[Sierra]

Damn. I honestly do love when people are like, there's bigger things to focus about right now.

[Nick]

Yeah, sure. But they're saying there's bigger things to focus on while she's not focusing on the bigger thing. I mean, she's playing and, you know, she could have just not posted about it.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is true.

[Nick]

It's a bit of a contradiction.

[Connor]

She was like, hey, stop focusing on my lawsuit. Didn't you know there were other things happening right now? I mean, that's like.

[Mary]

It's like there are other things happening right now, and I didn't want to have to talk about it, but here I am. I have to talk about it.

[Nick]

Yeah, she didn't have to talk about it.

[Justin]

Also, what is she going to say? You're right. The court. You already saw the court document. It's like, yeah, she could have been.

[Nick]

Like, I will be back.

[Connor]

What if Heather came out and was like, actually, nothing is more important than this lawsuit right now?

[Justin]

Well, that was giving shout out.

[Nick]

That would be a choice. That would definitely be a choice.

[Justin]

Did you see that Sutton Strack and Lisa Barlow were in an MTV interview and they shaded dorit?

[Natalie]

I did.

[Justin]

I'm more.

[Nick]

I'm more shocked about Sutton. Not shocked at Lisa did that.

[Justin]

Okay. I mean, Lisa was kind of the peace card in this. So basically, they were playing a guess who game, and Sutton. Sutton was holding the car that had Dorit's face. Lisa Barlow gave her the clue saying, she lives way above her means. Sun responded dorit and said, have I ever been good with dorit? I said, let the mouse go with that woman. I don't think she's ever let the mouse go. Lady can't get a hint. Lisa said, she's pretty, though. Sutton responded, well, when you've had enough surgery, anybody can be pretty.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Mary]

Dang.

[Jackie]

That's woke up and chose violence.

[Justin]

She chose violence.

[Nick]

I mean, it's also not technically true. I mean, a lot of people have surgery and botch.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Didn't go the way they went.

[Natalie]

You know, I mean, there is the theory that it's, you're not ugly, you're just poor.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

That is a theory.

[Nick]

Like, second, I actually disagree with that. You can be better looking if you're rich, but, like, some people, it's just kind of like you don't got it.

[Connor]

What's that one guy that's always trying to, like, morph himself with, like, all of these and.

[Justin]

Oh, the one that's trying to age backwards.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I don't know his name, literally. No, it's the. The twins who. One of them is dating the weekend. They used to be, like, best friends. Simeon Hayes. Yeah, like, their. I think a lot of people, like, refer to their glow up because that was just, like, so drastic. And a lot of people were like, no, no. Like, you're not ugly. You're just poor.

[Jackie]

Bella Hadid.

[Sierra]

Even their brother. Even their brother Phi, I think was.

[Justin]

But I do think it applies, though.

[Sierra]

Like, if you're ugly, I think it applies too. You can find, like, the best surgeon ever, and they can give you.

[Natalie]

You can do em. Sculpt instead of going to the gym five times a week.

[Jackie]

Who are these twins?

[Nick]

Can I see you?

[Connor]

I think it's like, if you're rich, you don't have to be ugly.

[Jackie]

Or you.

[Connor]

And if you are, that's a choice.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Who is it? Simeon.

[Natalie]

You have access to things that are shortcuts that other people don't.

[Nick]

If you meet a rich person and they're ugly, you just kind of look at them and go, how you. You must be very confident.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah. Like you're really wasting your wealth on things that you shouldn't be.

[Natalie]

Or like, super philanthropic. Get a facelift.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's definitely a glow up. Yeah. What's his name? Barry Corrigan. Wants you to know he has a huge.

[Sierra]

He also wants you to know that he's not a deadbeat dad.

[Nick]

Is he a dad?

[Sierra]

Yeah, he's a son.

[Connor]

He also wants you to know that's that. Me especially.

[Nick]

Wait, I. How is he not a.

[Sierra]

Well, I think just because he's not like, posting his son all the time, people are like, you're never with him. And it's like, he probably just doesn't.

[Justin]

Because the kid and the mom are in a different country as well.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

It is interesting, though.

[Nick]

What.

[Justin]

What I said.

[Sierra]

It kind of came for him.

[Connor]

He didn't like Saltburn.

[Nick]

I didn't.

[Justin]

He didn't like Salt. He didn't finish it.

[Connor]

I didn't like Saltburn either.

[Justin]

I liked it when everyone tells me.

[Nick]

It'S the most amazing movie. And then it's just like, artistically, yes. Yeah. But don't. But lead with that. They did, and everyone was just like, it's.

[Jackie]

You have to see it. It's the best movie ever.

[Natalie]

I made that kind of hype too, because then I'm, like, disappointed.

[Connor]

It was like pretending that it was, like, elevated.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Connor]

And I was like, this is just gorgeous, horny trash. And can it not just be that? Why does it have to be smart?

[Justin]

I thought it was elevated.

[Natalie]

You have a way with words, Mary.

[Justin]

It is interesting, though, that a lot of men are doing this whole, like, it wasn't a prosthetic thing. Have you noticed that? Because even the monsters actor did it on Watch what Happens live.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I think I really wanted people to know.

[Justin]

You think so?

[Nick]

I saw the clip. He was.

[Justin]

Yeah, but I didn't take it that way because Andy was like, well, the elephant in the room.

[Nick]

Like, he's like, the elephant in the room. It's real.

[Justin]

Well, he did Answer fast.

[Sierra]

But yeah, well, wouldn't you? If, like, your huge dick is, like, on screen and people are like, it's a prosthetic. You'd be like, no, no, no, it's real.

[Nick]

No, I'd think I'd play coy.

[Justin]

Keep them guessing.

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[Justin]

Can we get into Bachelor?

[Nick]

I mean, yeah. There is a reunion. Do we like Charles dyed hair?

[Justin]

Yes, I do.

[Nick]

We do.

[Justin]

He looks younger.

[Nick]

He dyed his hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.

[Justin]

Well, he said it was the food he was eating.

[Nick]

Yeah, I know. He's cute.

[Justin]

He has to be the next golden bachelor.

[Nick]

I don't think he will be.

[Justin]

They literally had a whole, like, person speak out, say, we want you on the behalf of Bachelor nation to be the next one.

[Nick]

It's possible.

[Justin]

That's giving. We're testing it out at least.

[Nick]

Oh, they're definitely testing. Yeah, they're definitely testing. Would you. Pascal or Charles?

[Sierra]

Charles.

[Justin]

I just feel like if your last edit for Pascal was. I'm not ready. I don't think the next edit is. I'm ready.

[Sierra]

Yeah, definitely Charles.

[Nick]

Okay. You would rather have Pascal.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Pascal's fun.

[Natalie]

I feel like Charles season would be really cute but very tame. Where I feel like Pascal would be like, let's jump off a building. Let's go.

[Justin]

The drama.

[Natalie]

He's just like, he's fun.

[Nick]

I think Charles is really endearing and charming and great when it's always a small bit of the whole episode. But yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know if it carries a whole season.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Natalie]

And I feel like we kind of like, we know, like, Pascal might be.

[Nick]

A little messy background.

[Natalie]

Yeah. And like, we know where he comes from.

[Justin]

Like, Pascal's messy for sure.

[Natalie]

And Charles didn't make it that far. So it's like we didn't get to meet his family and all. I don't know. I just feel like there's kind of a little bit of like.

[Justin]

Here's the thing, though, because the last golden batch kind of had like a messier ending. I feel like we need wholesome to like, prove that this is like a formula that works.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But I feel like Charles is going to be like, best friends with all the ladies. And I not sure if he's going to like fall in love with all.

[Natalie]

The ladies, you know, like, move romantically.

[Justin]

Wasn't that everybody? Like, isn't every lead. They. You say they know by the first night the top four.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But they, you know, how are we feeling about Dan? I feel like Dan should be our next.

[Nick]

She loves Dan.

[Natalie]

I had to wait while they were announcing everyone. I was like, which one's Dan?

[Jackie]

Which one's Dan?

[Nick]

Well, that's the thing too. It's just like Joan was in the top four. Like, they definitely don't have to go. Not kind of what they usually do, like pick the top.

[Sierra]

I think especially with the golden franchise is that people love all of them. So it's like it is pretty easy to pick someone.

[Mary]

Well, it's not going to be Jonathan because he's seeing someone now.

[Natalie]

I know we took him out of the run.

[Nick]

Do you think it was his new girlfriend who made him wear the ass off or scarf thing that he tucked in?

[Jackie]

Ascot.

[Nick]

Yeah. Is that what it's called?

[Justin]

I love ascots. Ascots are cute. Just throw it back, add a little spice.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Justin]

You might look like a flight attendant, but neither here nor there.

[Natalie]

We're done with Mark. We don't have Jonathan. I'm done with Mark being like, Mark's taken, so.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Who else was in the running?

[Justin]

It's the one that's dating another golden bachelor.

[Jackie]

Jordan.

[Justin]

Jordan. He's taken.

[Natalie]

Did they confirm that?

[Mary]

We don't know if they're dating. But he was also like, I don't know if it would be so interesting.

[Nick]

We'll find out. I don't know. I wonder when they might announce that they are casting in December.

[Justin]

It has to be by the next episode. Right. Because in the next episode where they reveal it.

[Jackie]

No.

[Justin]

Or that's just the last couple seasons.

[Mary]

I feel like if they were going to reveal it, it would be either on the men tell all or the after the final rose. Or it'll be like, no, it'll be later.

[Nick]

They'll wait you know, they'll do it during Grant season or something like that or.

[Justin]

Because Grant was announced before. Wasn't Jen announced before it? Wasn't Joan announced before?

[Nick]

Before, definitely. They know Joan was announced, like, during some random Tuesday or something.

[Justin]

Yeah, but Joan, like, they brought her out during final rose, being like, this is your next. Next. So like, she had to have been final rose of gens.

[Nick]

Sure. Of gens. Maybe. But I'm just saying it won't happen this season of the Golden Bachelorette.

[Justin]

Oh.

[Nick]

Like, they might do it for.

[Justin]

For the next Bachelor. I got it. Yeah.

[Nick]

Because, like, it's not gonna air for, like, another year. It seems like they're. They're gonna have one, like, a golden bachelor, then a golden Bachelorette for the regular show. It's like, in the same year.

[Justin]

They'll have each Bachelor Bachelorette golden, but.

[Nick]

I think they're alternating years.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

How do you make your burgers on the grill? And do you put anything on the burgers, or is it just straight meat?

[Nick]

Salt and pepper.

[Sierra]

Lowry's.

[Nick]

Lawry. Some Lawry's. Substitute salt with Lowry.

[Justin]

Okay, so you would hate it if they're absolutely disgusting.

[Nick]

Who's putting barbecue sauce on there?

[Justin]

It was Christopher. Well, it was him and Keith, and Keith was like, you don't do that. You need to taste the meat, which is just salt and whatever season. And garlic.

[Nick]

He said barbecue sauce doesn't pair well for a bear burger.

[Sierra]

Your dad likes barbecue sauce on his burger.

[Nick]

He does. That's crazy.

[Justin]

Putting it on the burger on the grill is insane because don't you put sauce on the meat after it's off the grill?

[Nick]

Yeah, but you could, I guess. I mean, it works as, like, a marinade, you know, so to speak. You could. You know, people marinate their meat, season their meat. Meat, meat, meat, meat.

[Sierra]

Next meat.

[Nick]

Roni. Okay.

[Sierra]

Did any of y'all like Mezcal? Hate it.

[Connor]

I love Mezcal. I can't believe Aaron thinks she's bringing mezcal to America.

[Natalie]

That was wild.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I. Listen, she is confident in.

[Justin]

She's bringing it to the east Coast.

[Nick]

I mean, isn't it.

[Sierra]

The MetLife Stadium is like, we want you to be our only Mezcal.

[Jackie]

I. I don't.

[Connor]

I'm not. I'm not knocking her business. Like, I'm sure that you're really.

[Sierra]

Well, you hate Aaron.

[Connor]

You know, Hey, I think Aaron.

[Justin]

Who's Aaron?

[Natalie]

Are you Ronnie?

[Nick]

Roni.

[Justin]

Oh, Aaron. Not Aaron. I was thinking Aaron Rodgers.

[Connor]

I don't know why you got that spelling wrong in Your head.

[Justin]

And I was like, anyways.

[Connor]

But yeah, Aaron's Mezcal, like, girl. The way she was talking about the Mezcal was that she discovered Mezcal.

[Justin]

She's an interesting character, too, because remember that episode where she's like, I'm a city girl. Don't get it wrong.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

City person. And I'm like, what. What's the vibe we're going for here?

[Natalie]

Not a Manhattanite.

[Justin]

Not that she's supposed to be, like, uber wealth rich. But then the second you say she is, she's saying she's not that.

[Connor]

But she's also saying that she. Christopher Columbus de Mescal.

[Sierra]

This is also an episode of, like, I created this, like, with Brynn with her app, which.

[Justin]

Do we need another dating app?

[Connor]

No. What is.

[Natalie]

Revolutionized the dating world, where I was like, okay, how many times?

[Justin]

She didn't really say much about it either.

[Natalie]

No.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I just think these women are.

[Sierra]

I think they're overproduced, and I think Bravo is leaning into it. I think they're, like, showing parts that they typically wouldn't show where, like, remember when Brynn told Rebecca about, like, the. You need to, like, fight back. You need to say, like, I have a clothing line.

[Justin]

And then the whole showed up wearing this.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah. And then the whole. What happened with Aaron and her husband? Oh, the mushroom. The mushroom thing, where she was like, don't talk about mushrooms. And then they show her talking about mushrooms. So it's like, I feel like they are just very much leaning into the fact that these women do not have any real drama. And they're just, like, trying to produce and, like, make it seem like they all hate each other. And their Bravo's like, let's just show them, like, talking about how they're gonna have a fight later on in the.

[Nick]

Evening watching Salt Lake City. And then Roni, it's like they're not both the same.

[Connor]

It's like you're watching a dress rehearsal for Housewives when you're watching Ronnie.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You're watching a bunch of, like, understudies, like, try to, like.

[Connor]

Yeah. They're trying to figure out how to be Housewives.

[Nick]

Yeah. We And Salt Lake City, we get, like, the husbands not parallel parking then and having, like, their own fight. I mean, it's like. And then, like, Britney, for all of you know, our commentary on here. She is excellent television. I look forward to Britney every week. She is an interesting discussion, but.

[Sierra]

And, like, with. With Salt Lake City, you're like, these women fucking hate each other. And with this. You're like. You can tell they're all, like, friends.

[Justin]

Yeah, that's true. Because even the basic comment was, like, weird.

[Sierra]

They were, like, trying to make it, like, super aggressive. It's like, that sounded snarky. Like, okay, basic.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And she's like, don't call me Basic. But she's not mad about it.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. Brittany's a friend of. On Salt Lake City, and she's, like, carrying episodes. And then you get Rebecca Minkoff just, like, kind of sitting there, looking polite, looking nice, smiling.

[Justin]

I like her.

[Nick]

You know, a giggle here. There. Yeah. They all. Again, I would be friends with all of them. They all seem like, you know. And with Salt Lake City, it's just like, I would Some. I would be afraid to be some friends with some of them. Like, I would.

[Justin]

I did kind of feel this way about Pavit and Jaisal when they were talking, when they sat down at dinner and they were, like, doing the ivf, Having another child, the presents. Because it was kind of like a. Pavit's kind of like a character. Like, he's playing the character, but, like, also, is it real?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

But then Jaisal's hyping it up to seem like it's, like, bad. But she's not really mad about it.

[Jackie]

No.

[Natalie]

But Jaisal was on Watch what Happens Live, and Andy asked her what did he get her for her birthday? And she said, nothing.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So it's like. It's not a bit. I think he genuinely feels that way. And it's just kind of frustrating watching, like, somebody trying to express something that's really important to her. And then him be like, but let me get a picture of this chicken.

[Justin]

But even the couples therapy part where she's like, let's go to couples therapy. And he's like, how much is it? Oh, no, no, no. I got a guy. I got a guy. And she's like, who? And he's like, well, just anyone that will get us on a couch, like, cheaper. And I'm like, there's no way he's acting like that on camera, thinking he's gonna get a good edit.

[Jackie]

No.

[Natalie]

Like, that's my biggest pet peeve, too. Like, sometimes, like, I'll be, like, talking about something, or Connor will ask me a question and I start answering it, and then he'll, like, be like. He'll start talking to the dog or something, and it's, like, serious here. Are you joking?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, why am I wasting my breath? So it makes me. That's one of my biggest pet peeves like, don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer to it.

[Sierra]

It's also like, when they're sitting at that table and they're talking about how UBA's, like, mad at Brynn again for whatever, you know, and they're like, it's not that deep. It felt very much like them trying to be like, this Uber trying to, like, make something bigger. And then the girls being like, wait, it's actually, like, not that deep. It's like, it really was not that big of a deal. And, like, I know you're trying to make a fight out of it so we can have a scene right now, but, like, it really wasn't that big of a deal.

[Justin]

It does. It does feel like practice. You guys are right about that.

[Connor]

The whole, like, Aaron saying something about Jenna with the Uber and, like, the.

[Justin]

Money, out of nowhere, she was like, I can never trust her. And it's like, wait, did we miss an episode? I'm like.

[Connor]

And then Aaron's like, yeah, well, Jenna's been texting me a lot, so it's okay.

[Sierra]

Would it piss you off if your friend was like, like, wouldn't stop talking to your dad? And they've over and over and over talked about how they dads.

[Natalie]

It would be uncomfortable.

[Justin]

She does that with everybody, though. Like, she does it with your husband, she does it with your friends.

[Natalie]

I feel like that would bother me more if you do.

[Justin]

But if I'm like, that's who she is.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And my brother, like, is there anyone left?

[Justin]

If she's a flirt, then she's not a threat, right? Or is that maybe she has more of a threat, actually.

[Connor]

I don't know. Do you think Brynn is actually gonna. On the cat, actually, that would make for tv. She made me shook.

[Justin]

The whole storyline is she flirts with everybody in Aaron's family.

[Connor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie]

And Aaron's dad is rich.

[Justin]

Can you imagine?

[Jackie]

Bravo.

[Connor]

Do you want to make this show more interesting?

[Justin]

Plot twist. The sugar daddy that Aaron was talking about on Jeff Lewis was her dad.

[Sierra]

That's crazy.

[Connor]

That would be crazy.

[Justin]

That's alleged rumor.

[Sierra]

Justin just started.

[Justin]

Just started that rumor.

[Connor]

It just feels like Roni right now is just like a gentle lines fan cam, and they're trying to create drama around it is.

[Justin]

But I will say Raquel and Mel's kind of conversations that seemed authentic. Authentic to me.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

Like them at the art dealer and her being.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Raquel feels the most authentic.

[Justin]

And her just being like, I was with my ex. I built My art empire with my ex. And the second we divorced and I went with Mel, people were choosing the side of the ex and saying that Mel was an affair, essentially.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And it's like, that seemed pretty real. And then her being like, my mom didn't support. She supported my marriage with the husband, but not with my past wife. And now I don't know if she's gonna support Mel.

[Connor]

Yeah. I love Mel so much. Mel's the coolest.

[Justin]

Well, and Aaron on Watch what Happens Live said that Abe loves Mel. So it's like, I think Mel is just, like.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Authentic as well.

[Natalie]

Mel called Abe something this episode, and it was so cute. Like, Abelicious or something. Like, she's got, like, a cute little pet.

[Justin]

Abe was giving Mel advice for the engagement. I'm like, this is. That's what we need. That's, like, an authentic relationship.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Missed your calling as a lesbian wedding planner.

[Justin]

Well, and that's where they're catering to, like, the Jenna Lyons fancam. Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Did you also see on Watch what Happens Live for Halloween that Pavit dressed up as Dory?

[Justin]

He's buying. He did this before, too, where he was, like, traveling and trying seafood restaurants with Dory, and he'd be, like, eating Dory's friend octopus. Eating Dory's friend cod.

[Jackie]

So silly.

[Justin]

And that was, like, his bit. So he's buying. That's why I think he's a character for sure.

[Connor]

Yeah. Pavit's really trying to, like, become a food influencer. I gotta respect the hustle.

[Nick]

What's his day job?

[Justin]

I think it's in tech. Right.

[Nick]

So he's, like, made his money, and now he's looking for a hobby.

[Justin]

That's what it appears to be.

[Nick]

Okay. I like him.

[Natalie]

He's a former financier and businessman.

[Justin]

Okay. That's what it is.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Investment banker, project leader, management consultant.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Nick]

All right.

[Justin]

I will say Bryn's comment about Becca Minkoff kind of, like, irritated me. What was it like? Rebecca left early to go get an award for, like. Like, just her clothing and fashion, whatever. And she goes, oh, I didn't know Nordstrom racks gives out awards.

[Sierra]

Brynn continues.

[Justin]

I was like, first of all, where did that come from? Second of all, why are we attacking only one?

[Nick]

Kind of trying to be messy.

[Connor]

Yeah. That's really.

[Sierra]

She's trying to carry the show.

[Justin]

So you try.

[Connor]

I didn't know Nordstrom Rack gave awards.

[Nick]

Like, when I watch Roni, I'm just watching a bunch of friends hanging out, having a good time.

[Natalie]

I'm still kind of interested as to why we casted Rebecca though. Cause she really doesn't give anything. Like no disrespect to her, but she doesn't really add to any episodes and has like maybe like a one line moment or like one scene.

[Nick]

But in fairness to her, like at least with Britney, she walks into this group of women who are like willing and able to be messy and it's just like you're expecting Rebecca to come in with like this classy, unproblematic group and be like chaos.

[Justin]

Well, that's part two personality. Britney's getting paid friend contract carrying a season of a storyline versus Rebecca's getting paid friend contract making one offs doing nothing. I mean, she does something for me.

[Nick]

She's like in the back.

[Justin]

She's not really.

[Natalie]

That's kind of my point where I'm like, if she doesn't get asked back next season, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Nick]

But she's fitting in with the group. This is my point.

[Justin]

There's got to be more to it. Like part of me thinks that somewhere later in the season she's going to like address the Scientology and that's why they were like, we need.

[Nick]

That would be good.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Connor]

Maybe it's just like the little like mid season.

[Sierra]

Lol.

[Natalie]

We're not even midseason, babe.

[Justin]

We're like sixth episode.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Connor]

I like this show more than I do.

[Nick]

I know, I know. Same. All right, well, it is time for Vibes versus stats and then we got the incredible Jackie Tone. She is with us coming up shortly. All right, let's get into it.

[Justin]

Here's why I thought Aaron Rodgers. Is he not a football player?

[Nick]

He is.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well done.

[Justin]

Vibes has broken my brain. Vibes or stats?

[Nick]

Okay, what do we got, Mayor this week?

[Connor]

You know, I really enjoyed doing like the dance theme last week, so I wanted to lean more into them. So this week I really wanted to focus on like fan culture. And the vibe match of this is going to be like which fan base you would want to like hang out in tailgate with is who is what the vibe. And I want to start off with the Eagles versus the Cowboys. Okay, so this is a famously nasty fan matchup. They don't like each other. Their rivalry goes all the way back to the beginning in 1960. They're divisional rivals.

[Nick]

The beginning of time.

[Connor]

The beginning of time. 1960. Basically, Eagles fans have a chip on their shoulder because they're like the working class underdogs in Philly. And the Cowboys fans are quote unquote, America's team. And they think they're, like, better. They're not. So. Yeah. So the Eagles hate that the Cowboys think this and this. And the Cowboys hate that the Eagles are.

[Nick]

The Eagles are more blue collar.

[Connor]

Yeah, it's. It's very much like, it's giving, you know, blue collar. It's giving class.

[Nick]

Cowboy fans are a little arrogant.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Justin]

So we have to. So us making a decision right now is like an elitism thing. I mean, we're choosing between, like, yeah.

[Nick]

If you want to go for the common man, you go Eagles.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Yeah. So here are some Eagles fans.

[Nick]

The Cowboys are the richest franchise in sports.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Justin]

This is Eagles.

[Nick]

These are football sports.

[Connor]

These are some sports.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

This is giving broccoli.

[Connor]

It is giving broccoli. So Eagles.

[Nick]

No, it's given. The Grinch is a football fan Grinch as well.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Beetlejuice.

[Justin]

Oh, that looks dirty.

[Connor]

Yeah. So Eagles fans have been called the worst fan base in the NFL, but that's coming from outsiders.

[Nick]

Again, they do have a courthouse in the stadium during games.

[Connor]

They do. They've also been known to boo Santa, throw snowballs at opponents, have had coaches put bounties out to encourage maiming other.

[Sierra]

Listen, I have issues with fan bases who fight nasty because as an Auburn fan, an Alabama fan poisoned our, like, 100, 101 00-year-old oak tree and it killed it. And. Yeah, a fan, like, literally poisoned it.

[Justin]

Girl, global warming exists. We can't be doing that.

[Sierra]

Yeah, dead ass poisoned at the. The oak tree who had been alive. We rolled it with. With toilet paper. Every time we won, it killed the tree.

[Justin]

Karma's a bitch.

[Sierra]

And he got arrested and, like, some famous Alabama guy bailed him out. Anyways, so I have an issue with fans who behave badly. And so I'm already, like, already against the Eagles.

[Connor]

Okay. But after losing the super bowl to the Chiefs in 2023, fans rioted in the show.

[Justin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Connor]

But cops did grease the polls on the street in Philly to keep people from climbing on them, and then it didn't work.

[Sierra]

See, why are we giving. Why are we making the cops do more work, like, seeing polls when they could be, like, fighting. Protecting.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Fighting crime. They're greasing poles instead because of these crazy fans.

[Connor]

Well, I think that's like, Philly culture. Like, Philly knows that it's gonna riot after a game.

[Justin]

He's wearing wings and he's not flying. It's giving fake news. Next.

[Nick]

Okay, well, now he clearly wants to go cowboy.

[Connor]

Okay, well, let's Talk about, let's talk about.

[Justin]

This is an old man with the helmet on. He's cute.

[Connor]

According to the 2019 study, the Cowboys supposedly have the quote unquote, best fans in the NFL. But this was done based off of fan equity, which focuses on how much fans are willing to spend on the team.

[Nick]

So, like oil money.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Bad for the environment.

[Connor]

So they're rich. So I don't know. It's kind of giving cops versus robbers.

[Justin]

And this is the. These. They have the cheerleaders. Right.

[Connor]

The Dallas Cowboys have the cheerleader giving capitalism versus.

[Nick]

This is the Robin Hood.

[Connor]

Yeah. This is the kind of back tattoos the Cowboys have.

[Jackie]

Let's.

[Sierra]

Let's tattoo your own body. Let's not tattoo the town. You know what I'm saying? So, like, love that he took that and did it to himself and is not pushing it onto other people. I feel like you don't think that's a little.

[Connor]

That's a little. That's gonna affect other people?

[Sierra]

No.

[Connor]

You don't think that's gonna stop traffic.

[Jackie]

If somebody sees that?

[Connor]

I think that could cause a car accident.

[Nick]

Hopefully it keeps his shirt on.

[Connor]

I don't think with a back tattoo like that, you're keeping your shirt on very much.

[Justin]

I've seen the grown men of like the Cowboys fan base recreate the cheerleaders dance. So to me, that's enough for me to be. They're dancing, not attacking.

[Connor]

But if the Eagles weren't so crazy, silver linings playbook would have never been made.

[Justin]

That's right. That's true.

[Connor]

So chaos breeds fun movies that won Oscars.

[Justin]

Well, who won their last game, Egold or Dallas?

[Nick]

The Cowboys are in a slump.

[Justin]

Okay, do we choose the score? Do we choose the fan base?

[Sierra]

Well, we're Vibes. We don't go off of stats, we go off of vibes. So I think we go off of the fact that. Yeah, Dallas.

[Connor]

What about you, Nick?

[Nick]

I just want the Vibes group to note Mary's objection. She's riding.

[Connor]

I hate the Cowboys.

[Justin]

You can jump.

[Connor]

I hate the Cowboys.

[Nick]

I'm going to go Eagles. I'm going to go Eagles.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick]

Okay, what do we got? Game two.

[Connor]

Game two. We have the Vikings versus the Jaguars. So the Vikings, they call themselves Skull Nation. Lots of. Of horns. A horny group.

[Nick]

Just a bunch of tobacco chewing mongrels.

[Connor]

Yeah. I will say everyone I know that's from Minnesota is very, very cool and kind.

[Nick]

That is true.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Connor]

You know, it's a pleasant group, but I just. Their football team, I can't. I Just the color schemes. Yeah.

[Sierra]

We talked about purple. Purple is not a good color. Yeah.

[Justin]

Giving Thor meets the Lorax.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Connor]

The Thorax, but also Bob Dylan, Prince, all from Minnesota, so.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Connor]

And Prince makes purple. Cool.

[Nick]

I mean, let's be real, though. And then the Jaguars, they barely even have a fan base.

[Connor]

Like, as someone from Florida, I have never met a Jaguars fan in my entire life.

[Nick]

Like, that's why. That's why they're probably going to be the first London team.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Where are the Jaguars from?

[Sierra]

Jacksonville.

[Connor]

Jacksonville.

[Justin]

They're going to move to London.

[Connor]

I'm not even sure Jacksonville is. Is real.

[Sierra]

It is real. It's like two hours from Savannah. Her dad lives there, and I know.

[Connor]

My sister lives there for a while, but it is.

[Sierra]

It is a very. It's kind of like a ghost town. Like, you drive through and you're like, do people, like, live here?

[Connor]

Yeah. Like, is it like Jacksonville is a very. I mean, in the way that Florida is insane. Jacksonville makes no sense to me because it's like north Florida, which is hard for me to consider.

[Nick]

Like, if it'd be in Florida, you better as well be near water.

[Connor]

Jacksonville is near water.

[Nick]

Is it?

[Justin]

Okay, wait. I am curious, though. So you said in the North. You said that they're going to leave to London.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Well, that's because they haven't played games.

[Nick]

The NFL is trying to expand globally. They've played a lot of games in.

[Justin]

London, and then that would count for the Super Bowl.

[Nick]

They may play the Super Bowl. Yeah, I could see the Super Bowl. Yeah. The super will definitely one day be in London for sure.

[Justin]

And then.

[Connor]

That looks like a man from London town.

[Justin]

I mean, the cat ears are cute.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Actually, maybe it won't be.

[Sierra]

Honestly, I don't love cheetah print, but.

[Justin]

Cheetah print is back.

[Natalie]

I was gonna say, but cheetah print.

[Connor]

Cheetah print over the thorax.

[Natalie]

I just bought a cute maxi skirt, so say nothing when I wear it.

[Connor]

You know, I mean, this is a male.

[Sierra]

It depends on the print of the cheetah.

[Justin]

This is yellow cheetah. Agreed. So not yellow cheetah print.

[Nick]

Yeah. Purple face. Goldilocks.

[Connor]

Yeah, he's got that barbed wire tattoo. Yeah, yeah. Chainmail.

[Justin]

Sierra, you make the call.

[Sierra]

I do love the necklace of the. That necklace is kind of serving in.

[Justin]

The name of the auburn oak tree 3. Let's choose the thorax. So the Vikings.

[Nick]

All right, I'll go Jaguars.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Connor]

All right. That was Vibe football.

[Nick]

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[Sierra]

Wait, you've been on before?

[Nick]

She was one of my first guests ever.

[Jackie]

Ever. And you want to hear such a fun story? It's kind of fun, but it's kind of. And obviously Nick already knows this. My friend texted me and was like, do you want to be on this podcast? I was on GLOW at the time. And I was like, sure. I didn't look up Nick. I didn't look up the podcast. I didn't look up anything. Idiot.

[Sierra]

No, I didn't look up before I met him.

[Jackie]

Had I looked him up, I would have been like, sure. But I didn't look him up or anything. And she said, texted me beforehand, like, oh, do you want to. Like they have a segment where they talk about the Bachelor up top. Do you want to do that? And I wrote back, like, in no universe do I want to talk about the Bachelor. Da da da. I gave some sort of very boring, snarky, hot takes about the Bachelor. And then she was like, okay, no stress. Like, all good. And then Nick and I were texting about coming on, and he. I guess that didn't get that message from her. And he was like, so did you want to be part of, like, the Bachelor segment or whatever? And I just copy pasted, right. And it was then I learned Nick was a bachelor.

[Nick]

But I don't take myself that seriously.

[Jackie]

No, you were an angel about it. I. I'll tell you something. I have told that story because I don't get embarrassed. It's not a thing. I feel generally honestly same. I felt fucking embarrassed. I was like. Like, I was a lovely dude. I don't. What.

[Sierra]

And you came for him.

[Jackie]

Just do your research. And when someone who was on a show, just don't be an idiot. And in that instance, I was a. I was a class a clown. Clown.

[Nick]

I thought we had a great show.

[Jackie]

We had a great show despite my idiocy right before we started. I mean, I could probably find that text. It was like I went in on the Bachelor. You were like.

[Sierra]

And that one from that one season. What season were you on? He fucking sucked. The one who was runner up twice.

[Jackie]

Yeah, fuck, that guy didn't even watch enough to have even said that. But now you do. Well, I watched golden and I watched Bachelorette.

[Nick]

Was that you studying for your character? Because everyone on that show is like a big reality TV fan.

[Jackie]

A big reality TV fan. I wish it was. It wasn't. I just, years later, got into it. I had a boyfriend at the time whose whole family was into it, and it became so fun for it to be a family affair, and everybody, like. Like, hop on a FaceTime group call after and be like, can you fucking believe?

[Sierra]

Wow. That is.

[Nick]

Well, I just want to say thank you for helping me make this show. You were a big part of it.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's crazy. And you lie, but this.

[Nick]

No, I'm serious.

[Jackie]

So nice.

[Nick]

This.

[Jackie]

This upgrade. I'm sure it's been years.

[Nick]

We've come a long way.

[Jackie]

Dude, it's fabulous.

[Nick]

How's the success of the new show been for you?

[Sierra]

Crazy.

[Nick]

It's. That's everywhere. So good.

[Sierra]

I can't.

[Jackie]

Well, it's been answered. It's been answered honestly. In my dream. In my actual dreams. Yeah.

[Sierra]

I'm swallowed.

[Jackie]

Well, you be. We did it. We're engaged. It's been so cool and so exciting. I've never been part of something that would be called a cultural juggernaut before, as this is being called all the time. And it's crazy, man. It's so cool. And, like. Yeah, it's really cool. It's definitely a different level for me. It's like, feel. It feels. I feel it. I feel the difference as a person being on this show and being out in the world. I've. I. I feel the difference. It's kind of crazy.

[Sierra]

You're crazy, right? I feel like you did not have to act at all in that. Like, I feel like this person sitting here today was that person I watched.

[Jackie]

That's right. My queen.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And the only difference between our personalities, because we're both, like, very mouthy and opinionated and Jewish and strong. I wouldn't do. I just. I was gonna say I wouldn't do most of what she does. Cut to me texting Nick about how the Bachelor is for Mark. Loser. Pieces of. From, like, I went in, but I was doing it in a joking way.

[Nick]

I mean, listen, I've. I've gotten tougher feedback.

[Jackie]

So, Nick.

[Sierra]

Apparently, people said he looked like a serial killer.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah, that was. That was something.

[Jackie]

That is one hot serial killer. Cheers, queen. Let's go.

[Sierra]

Kind of giving Jeff Dom.

[Jackie]

Oh, Jeff D. I am from Milwaukee.

[Sierra]

He could never.

[Nick]

No. But, like, how come the show is.

[Jackie]

Am I the third host of this? This is crazy. Join in.

[Nick]

The show is, like, shockingly good and not shocking. Like, I just feel like most of the, like, shows that, like, specifically next like, drops the rom coms. It's always, like, kind of cute and fine and nice and like, whatever, but, like, we turned it on after the craze, like, all right, we'll give it a shot. And it was just like, that was so fucking good. We're laughing out loud. The hallway we're binging through. We finished it, like, in a day and a half.

[Jackie]

It is such a nice feeling when, like. Cause I'm. I'm a similar TV watcher where I'm like, okay, okay, I'll begrudgingly get on board with what every single person has told me to watch. And I'm often like, all right. I mean, I get it. You know, it's like, it's not with. With this show especially. It's like there's too many demos that are loving it. It's. It's really like I'm sort of hesitant. I keep catching myself because, like, I guess it's weird to be on the thing and be like, I know, right? But that's how I feel, kind of. It's crazy.

[Nick]

Did you.

[Jackie]

When you.

[Nick]

When you guys were making it, were you like, this. This is really good material. Or were you like, eh, we'll see. I don't know that.

[Jackie]

Absolutely the second one. Absolutely the second one. Because it was a first season show. They had started the writers room before the strike. I didn't even audition, like, and I'm. I'm close with Kristen and so I knew that she was working on this thing, but, like, you know, just in talks, like, everyone in LA is like in talks forever. And then, like, so much of the stuff doesn't come out or comes out and just sort of comes and goes. And so then the whole strike happened, multiple strikes. And then finally at the very end of the year when nothing else was happening, because they were like, let's just. Let's just let the year die and start everything. Next year. This show picked back up and they were like, no, we're doing it. We're casting it. So I was like, hubba. And so the time was crazy. And then while we were doing it, it was great and everyone loved each other, but you're never. You got. It's so dangerous to work on a show and be looking at your castmates going, we got it, bro. Yeah, this is it. It's like, not only is it dangerous, you wouldn't do that. You're not in that headspace because you're in the minutia of, like, I don't know about that line. Would my character do that is. Was. You know, there's. You're so in it, and then it comes out and you're like, oh, goodness.

[Sierra]

Grace, did you ultimately audition for Sister in Law?

[Jackie]

I did, but they initially wanted me to audition. I just got from my agent. I just got this audition for the Rebecca role, Adams at Noah's Ex. And then I was like, on a hike with Kristen one day. I was about to make my tape and I was like, oh, I got an audition. Cause you never wanna make it weird and be like, eh, hi. Yeah, I would love my health insurance this year, you know. So it was like, that's where I was at. Like, after Glow 2021, I lost my health insurance. I was like on a hit. It's like, this business is crazy.

[Justin]

I love Glow, by the way.

[Jackie]

Thank you.

[Justin]

Loved it.

[Jackie]

Thank you so much. I want to get back to that because I have a thought about it. I want to share. But the suspense that with. Nobody wants it.

[Sierra]

Oh.

[Jackie]

With Kristen, I was like, I have an audition for your show for the. For the ex girlfriend. And she was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. She was like, if anything, you're like, way more right for the sister in Law. But they're not looking for, like, you know, typical New York Jews. They're looking for more sort of West Coast, Brentwood money, Russian Jews. And I was like, well, I am who I am. And hopefully they like that. And then, yeah, then I auditioned. I didn't find out for like a month. Like five weeks.

[Sierra]

What were you doing for that five weeks?

[Jackie]

Honestly, it was like a Christmas Hanukkah vacation and New Year's, and then like, early in the year, my manager was like, asking me. He's like, yeah. Hear anything? And I was like, I'm not gonna. Well, yes, but he. But of course. Which he was trying to find out, but he wasn't hearing anything. So he was, like, trying to go, you know, around the corner. And I was like, no, dude, you're.

[Sierra]

Like, and Kristen's not hiking with me anymore.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a text from her that says, I hate you. But I. I'm still. I'm still optimistic.

[Nick]

How does it work when you're friends with someone who's so involved in the show but also being professional, you want to, like, go through proper channels. Like, how do you hand. How do you tiptoe around that?

[Jackie]

Basically how I've just described. Like, we would kick it and, like, I would. Neither of us would say anything like. Or one time when I was at her house, her daughter Was like, your tape was the best tape for. I saw. Oh, am I allowed to say that. That her kids saw them? Yeah, probably. But she just watched the, like, screen test or whatever and she was like, Lincoln was like, I loved your audition. And I was like, thanks, Link. That means a lot to me. And then, like, nothing more. And then, you know, that's Trinidad.

[Sierra]

Do you think?

[Jackie]

But you know, yeah. Hey, Kristen Ann, Tell me your name one more time. I'm so sorry. I'm blanking. When I was. This is actually crazy. When we did Jennifer Hudson a couple weeks ago and I learned something, which is that Jennifer said to Kristen, like, so how did that work with Jackie? You know, did you basically. And Kristen was like, oh, I was completely hands off. Like, everyone knew all the tapes were coming in. Also, you consider. I mean, how many friends and people she knows. She can't, like, just give her friends every part. That'd be whack. Because every person at the top. Aaron Foster, could do the same thing. Well, I have someone for that. Or I. This is all what it is. And so she said on Jennifer Hudson that my role was one that she stepped back completely from. Everyone knew her opinion. She was like, well, I think it's Jackie. But there's. There's the network, there's the studio, there's all the executives, there's the creative team. And they were like, you know where I stand and let's. And so then they watched all the tapes and they did all the auditions. And luckily all the other people were like, that's our Jew. That's right.

[Sierra]

What was your intro into Jennifer Hudson?

[Jackie]

Can't touch this. Wow. MC Hammer, was that you?

[Sierra]

This is so cute.

[Nick]

Hammertime.

[Sierra]

What was our entrance when you came in?

[Jackie]

Oh, I think someone looked at me and was like, oh, the bathroom. Yeah, wrong door. The bathroom is that way. And I was like, I'm not looking for the bathroom. I'm on.

[Nick]

They're like, excuse me, can we help you while you're here?

[Jackie]

And I was like, I'm on Nick's show. And they were like, no. So that was my. It was nice, though.

[Sierra]

Oh, thank God.

[Jackie]

But they were playing My Heart Will Go on on their cell phone, but I don't think that was for me. I think it's just what they were playing, you guys.

[Nick]

Not to take anything away from Kristen, but you guys kind of steal some of the scenes. You and your. You and your TV husband.

[Jackie]

I won't tell her.

[Nick]

Don't tell her. Don't. Don't tell her. It's you guys are very funny.

[Jackie]

Oh, I love it. It's such a joy. I mean, going back to that whole. I mean, I don't want to punch it in the face too many times, but, like, what a joy and a shock it is to be in this business for 30 something years and then just you do something and people care. It's like you're on a show that you don't have to tell people to watch. They're just watching. It's like, this is novel. Wow. It's wacky. It's so rare. Especially with the, like, spread. This is a word I'm going to teach you guys. It's going to be added into Webster's 2025. The spread outedness.

[Sierra]

Oh, I love that.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The spread outedness of content right now and all the streamers and all the networks, like, and things aren't on once a week. So to have anything to talk, it's.

[Nick]

Just like, good things get lost in the shuffle.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I mean, always. I don't. I know, like, three other people that watch Severance. I think it's one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life.

[Nick]

You know, four, we can have a watch party jacket. We were actually looking for it. When does it come out? Because we were like, it's soon. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I think even January maybe. But I have to check. Severance. Season two is coming out soon.

[Nick]

But you're right, it's like kind of niche, you know, shouldn't be people.

[Jackie]

It is staggering. I can't wait to rewatch season one so I can be prepared for season two. But it's like, exactly. It's wild. And that's the other thing with nobody wants this. We got picked up, like, immediately.

[Natalie]

Yeah, instantly.

[Nick]

No, those numbers must have been huge on Glow.

[Jackie]

They used to always pretend we were on the bubble. And then we found out after the numbers came out that like 19 million people watched Glow. But they were like, we just don't have the numbers. We don't know if we're going to do another season. But I don't know what the bit was. But then that's why I was ready with. Nobody wants us for there to be like, okay, we're going to wait six months and then they're going to tell us maybe, and then it's going to be. No.

[Nick]

They fit it into the end of the season.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's insane.

[Nick]

Are you getting noticed more?

[Jackie]

I am. It's really. It's really interesting. I. I used to always, like, when. For other things People would be like, are you on that show? And I'd be like, oh, yeah. Hey, what's up? But this I'm getting, like, are you Jackie Tones? Which is my first. This is my first. Are you Jackie Tones? Which is.

[Sierra]

What do you say?

[Jackie]

Usually I go. I go, no, no. Not a fan. Not a fan. She seems like she might be grating. I haven't met her in person, but it seems like there's something grating going on there that I wouldn't love. But y. It's like, it's. It's so cool and fun. I mean, the famous people that, like, can't go places, that's. That. That's never been the. That's never been the goal. I don't want that. I didn't. Never wanted that, and I don't want that.

[Sierra]

Like, are you headed to Craig's?

[Jackie]

Do you know. Do you know about Craig's. My Craig story?

[Sierra]

No. What is your.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's why I thought you asked. No, this is such. You're, like, setting me. You're like, late night setting me up. Like, when Jay Leno's like, I heard this one story, and it's like, you're doing that, but without even having heard the story. Sorry.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Jackie]

I live. He's fine.

[Sierra]

He's fine.

[Jackie]

So years ago, my friend was like, do you want to come to Craig's?

[Nick]

For those who don't know, Craig's is.

[Sierra]

A very sceney restaurant paparazzi will get, like, living outside.

[Justin]

It's like a steakhouse, right? Kind of vibes. Yeah.

[Nick]

You always see a celebrity or two because they want to be. It is good food, and it is a nice vibe, but a lot of people show up for the pops to be seen.

[Jackie]

And what happened to me was similar to when I was on this podcast for the first time. I had no idea what Craig's was. And to me, it sounded like, like, the kid. These, like, nebbishy Jewish kids. I went to elementary school with, like, Craig. Craig Rosenthal. I'm like, craig's isn't a fancy. I don't know what that is. But my agent was like, you want to go to dinner at Craigs? And I was like, okay. So I show up looking like someone's kid brother with greasy hair. I look like the derp. Okay? I go into Craigs. No one's looking for me. I go into Craigs. I see Jennifer Lopez and a rod at one table. That's what year this is. And then I see all of Maroon 5 in another table, and I'm like, okay, what is this place? This is obviously not Craig Rosenthal's restaurant from elementary school. Don't think he went into the restaurant business. And I'm like, this is fucking crazy. And then as I'm leaving. Oh. Before I leave, I'm like, oh, yes, I will take my vegan chicken parm to go. And my agent was like, ooh, I got this. And I got this. Some pasta. Something else. He was like, I'm not taking mine. I'm like, I'll take yours. I took my agents, my agent's dad's, and mine, and they had this incredible vegan ice cream. So I was like, I think I could eat it on the way home. I'm not starving yet. Four Craigs to Go bags.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Because I don't give. What do I. I want. This is fancy food. I want it right.

[Nick]

Is there a paparazzi picture of you?

[Jackie]

There's about 20 groceries. There's about 20 of them.

[Nick]

Can we look this up?

[Jackie]

So the first time I ever got papped was walking out of Craigs.

[Nick]

You look like a hoarder.

[Jackie]

I look like a. I look. God bless. I look like a hoarder. Say, there it is. There it is. There it is.

[Sierra]

Your face. You're like, ah, no.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Jackie]

But let me tell you the reason why. It's two bags. There's a bag in each bag of, like, a separate. It was four bags, and I consolidated.

[Sierra]

Wow. Yeah.

[Jackie]

You look shocked. I look great.

[Nick]

Give me his outfit, though.

[Sierra]

You do look really hot.

[Jackie]

You guys are so full of shit. I have no makeup on. My bangs are crazy.

[Nick]

I love a jean, you know, leather jacket. Jacket.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I love a. Yeah, I love them. I love a denim.

[Sierra]

Or were you. What was your. Look at that one.

[Jackie]

I've never seen that one.

[Nick]

You're like, aw, shucks.

[Sierra]

Did you say anything? Is there a video maybe where you're.

[Jackie]

Like, my mouth is open. I always say something. My mouth is open in every single. You could not.

[Sierra]

You could not.

[Jackie]

My mouth is open in every photo. Cause I'm going, oh, no. Why? Oh. And then finally I went like, I just submitted and, like, smiled and was like.

[Sierra]

They're like, wow, you really love the.

[Jackie]

Food, didn't you, Jaggie? I was like, honestly, I did not even that. I just was like, free food. I'm taking it home. I love a leftover.

[Sierra]

Are you vegan?

[Jackie]

I'm not. I'm pescetarian. Ooh. But. But I. But I don't eat, like, red meat or chicken. Those guys are all my Pretty good friends. So I don't really. I'm not interested in that because I have a dog named Glenn and every animal is Glen, it turned out. Yeah, I've seen some freaking chickens that are Glen. Wow. Yeah. In my heart, everyone's Glen.

[Nick]

We have dogs named Jeff and Steve.

[Jackie]

Jeff and Steve.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's such cute names. And they're so delicious. They are. Glenn is the best rat that's ever walked the face of the earth. Here he is. Here he is now.

[Sierra]

Wow. Does his breath smell good?

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think you're being mean. I think you're being pointed and I think that. Does your dog's breath smell good?

[Nick]

No.

[Jackie]

Awful.

[Sierra]

It's awful.

[Jackie]

Glenn's birth father is one of my best friends, Jacob. And when I was shooting, when I first got Glen, Jake lived up the street. And so I would. He would be like his dad. It was the greatest. And he would text me things that Glenn smelled like.

[Sierra]

Oh, no.

[Jackie]

And one of my favorites. There's a couple favorites. But he'd be like, loving having my son here. He does, however, smell like a thrift store that was only donated coats people died in. Yes. And then I would get another text from him that's like, oh, my God, he's so cute. He does smell like fish tank rocks. But I absolutely adore having him here.

[Nick]

Can we put like a perfume on him or something? Is there like a shampoo maybe?

[Jackie]

He is. Thank you. He is a delicate rat that. And he. We gave him like a smelly conditioner once at a grooming and like his skin fell off. Was like. Yeah. And then now we have to give him like doctor prescribed soap.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So could you imagine?

[Nick]

He's in high maintenance.

[Jackie]

He is. But he's also like kind of the easiest, nicest dog. He's silent.

[Sierra]

Does he sleep in your bed?

[Jackie]

Yeah, next to me, curled. Curled of a croissant. Tiny little nut.

[Nick]

Jeff sleeps on my hood.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Steve's in a kennel, though. It's because he's only in a kennel because he's so bad. He's very naughty that in the middle, kennels are okay. He's opening up drawers and. And ripping things to shreds.

[Nick]

So Steve ate through his first two kennels.

[Sierra]

Yes, he did.

[Nick]

So we had to get a metal one. Yes.

[Sierra]

Actually, as soon after I had my baby, who is nine months old that like weeks.

[Jackie]

Had a baby nine months ago.

[Sierra]

I did. Weeks after.

[Jackie]

Good for you. Yeah, well, it's. No, I'm happy about your bounce back. I don't want to kill myself.

[Sierra]

I am 25.

[Jackie]

I think it's almost God.

[Sierra]

I'm 26. Sorry, sorry.

[Jackie]

26.

[Sierra]

I am actually 26.

[Jackie]

I knew a baby. I want you to see a picture. Is a boy or girl?

[Sierra]

Oh, my God, a girl. She's absolutely delicious. You're going to die.

[Jackie]

Let me ask you something.

[Sierra]

Look at her.

[Jackie]

Look at her right now.

[Sierra]

No, I know, I know. You weren't ready for that. You actually were not ready for that.

[Jackie]

That's actually. That's actually sweet Angel B for Halloween. Looked at her. Looked at her.

[Sierra]

She was. Oh, you want to see her for Halloween?

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course. What do you think this is?

[Sierra]

No, you're right.

[Jackie]

Why do you think I came here today? You're right. Right?

[Sierra]

You're right.

[Jackie]

All my kids are frozen in a cryolab Ncino. Shut up.

[Sierra]

I know.

[Jackie]

You freaking put her in this costume with this freaking brown socks, tight. It was like she, like, tight on her calves.

[Sierra]

It was like she, like, came out of the dirt. Like you plucked her from the dirt. She's a straw beer.

[Jackie]

And should I. And I shouldn't throw the phone or I shouldn't put it under my shoe and squinch it because it makes me angry.

[Sierra]

No.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Sierra]

You could eat it, though.

[Jackie]

Oh, what's her name? River. River. This is rude. Are the people at home mad at us right now? Are they like, fuck it, who cares about your kid? Because I do.

[Nick]

Do they love our kids?

[Jackie]

Okay, good. Because you know how some people are, like, everyone talks about their babies. I'm this. I want a baby so bad that all I want to do is look at these socks and the way that they're too tight on her calves.

[Sierra]

Okay, you don't have to say they're too tight. You know, people are gonna, like, mom shame me for, like, putting, like, too tight of, like, socks.

[Jackie]

All those people can all the way off. We're talking about, like, how babies like their wrists. They've rolls and, like, they look like there's a rubber band. You know what is crazy, though?

[Sierra]

Britney Spears posted a video and said, I am River Road, and that is our daughter's name the other day.

[Justin]

And people were like, Britney did change her name. Yeah. Her Instagram bio to River Rose. It's longer than that. Let me pull it up.

[Sierra]

Yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Jackie]

Physical touch is my dream. Yeah. Physical touch is my dream. Physical touch is my dream.

[Sierra]

It's mine, too. And my husband is allergic to it.

[Nick]

That's not true.

[Sierra]

It's just like, I'm smothered I just can't.

[Jackie]

You were too close. My boyfriend's not that into it either. He's not against it.

[Nick]

Yeah, but when you jump on me and then, oh, it's so cool.

[Sierra]

Oh, I want to be in. If I could be in.

[Jackie]

You want to wear a skin suit. You want to wear a nick skin suit.

[Sierra]

I do.

[Jackie]

I can' I understand. I want it. I tell him sometimes when I wake up in the morning. You're a good time, huh? Sometimes I wake up. Sometimes I wake up in the morning and I tell my boyfriend the ways that as I was falling asleep, the ways I thought about how I could kill him in his sleep because of. Cute.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Jackie]

I'm like, what if I punt you by the rib cage to the moon?

[Sierra]

What if I swallowed you whole?

[Jackie]

Correct. Yeah. It's like I bite my teeth. Oh, me too. I grind too much.

[Sierra]

Oh, I feel the same. Did you see River Rose on Britney Spears account? Did you see that?

[Justin]

I didn't, but I see her name is Xyla Marie River Red.

[Sierra]

Oh, River Red. No, she. No, no, no.

[Jackie]

Isn't that Grimes's kid's name? Where it's just fucking letters?

[Nick]

Yeah. I feel like she went to a website.

[Jackie]

What a heck.

[Nick]

And, like, Google and put her.

[Jackie]

She's like, xyla Marie River Red. She said, my name is.

[Justin]

My name is River Rose. Nice to meet you. Oh, so she has multiple names now.

[Jackie]

You know, I don't approve of the conservatorship, obviously. This is a woman that I am worried about out. I mean, not as worried for her as I am for the rest of the country, but really, what? Like, it's the knife dancing and the whole thing. It's so concerning.

[Nick]

What if she's trolling?

[Sierra]

You know what?

[Jackie]

It's.

[Sierra]

No, no, no. You know what's crazy?

[Jackie]

So sick.

[Sierra]

You know what's crazy? You want to hear what's crazy? Do you know who Kristen Cavallari is? It's okay. You don't have to answer.

[Jackie]

Yes, you do.

[Sierra]

Great. Amazing. So she said on her podcast she thinks Britney Spears is a clone. And then Britney Spears wanted her number, and Britney Spears texted her and said, I'm not a clone.

[Nick]

Really?

[Sierra]

I didn't see the actual text because I didn't listen to the podcast. I saw her talk about it in, like, a clip, and it was like, listen to the episode to hear the actual text. But it was. She said that the text was giving.

[Nick]

Say something about Britney Spears.

[Sierra]

Britney Spears is a clone.

[Nick]

Well, something.

[Sierra]

Britney Spears. You're not River Rose.

[Jackie]

Oh, yes.

[Nick]

Britney Spears doesn't know magic.

[Sierra]

Prove it. Britney Spears.

[Jackie]

Britney's name is not Xylitol Splenda Marie. Bernie Spears name is not Stevia. Stevia Truvia Gillespie. She's gonna fucking call me as I leave here. Yes, my name is Stevia Truvia Gillespie.

[Sierra]

Can you put on speaker? On your way.

[Jackie]

She's Knives. Yeah. I worry about her.

[Sierra]

I know, and I do, too. But now I.

[Jackie]

Doesn't keep me up at night. I can't lie to you.

[Sierra]

But it does keep you up at night?

[Jackie]

Oh, very little. I get so tired.

[Sierra]

Do you?

[Jackie]

Oh, do I get tired? I get so tired. I just. I'm such an ADHD Energizer Bunny the whole day. And I'm realizing Now, in my 40s, like when I was a kid, people were like, oh, she's always on, huh? And it's like, you think? It's exhausting. Imagine living in my fucking head. You can go home.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

This is what it always is. So by the time the night. This is how I feel. Yeah. So by the time the night happens, I'm like, oh, it's seven already.

[Natalie]

Lights out.

[Sierra]

Do you just close your eyes and go to sleep? Dark room or TV book? What are we doing?

[Justin]

Anything.

[Jackie]

Oh, I love this question because the answer is so embarrassing. And I love saying embarrassing things. And it's that I wear an eye mask, earplugs and a night guard.

[Nick]

Natalie's reading.

[Sierra]

I'm reading a sex book. An erotic thriller.

[Jackie]

Are you?

[Sierra]

I am. And it's.

[Jackie]

Does it turn you on right before bed?

[Nick]

In bed, next to me?

[Sierra]

No, I only turn. I only start reading it once. I'm reading a murder book, the Silent Patient. I'm reading that, and then when Nick rolls over and goes to bed, I switch immediately to my erotic thriller.

[Jackie]

Why? Tell me more.

[Nick]

Me watching porn next to you in bed when you go to bed.

[Jackie]

Well, I would.

[Sierra]

I'm not. It's not visual.

[Jackie]

It's only in my head.

[Nick]

Dead.

[Jackie]

Where did you guys meet? I'm sure you've said it on the pod 100D. Did you actually.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I did.

[Jackie]

Dead.

[Sierra]

I did. I was just a normal girl living in Georgia. And I was like, this guy's kind of hot. Like, hey.

[Jackie]

Kind of. Could you imagine?

[Sierra]

No. I know.

[Jackie]

Let me ask you this. What was your job in Georgia?

[Sierra]

I was surgical technologist.

[Jackie]

What's your job here?

[Sierra]

Well, I still am a surgical technologist. Influencing. Yes, I am.

[Jackie]

What does that involve?

[Sierra]

Is it a work from home in the operating room? No, it is an Insurgery. Operating room. Scalpel. Here you go.

[Jackie]

You're lying.

[Sierra]

Stitching things up, holding things open, assisting the surgery.

[Jackie]

Would you like to continue. Continue doing that? Or would you like to be a television personality who's very hot and smart?

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. Am I hot and smart as a surgical technologist, too? Or am I ugly and dumb?

[Jackie]

Of course, I'm just. No. Yeah, you're fucking useless. So this one doctor you work with told me he asked for a scalpel and you handed him a spatula.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

It was a nightmare.

[Sierra]

Fuck. Is there a world where I can do both or.

[Jackie]

No, I don't think so. I don't think we're going back into surgical technicians.

[Sierra]

Two weeks ago, I did.

[Jackie]

Wait a minute. This is like a one off.

[Sierra]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Nick]

Well, before she got pregnant, yes. She was working full time and working full time. Her surgeon loves her regular job, so he keeps sex here when he come back, when can come back. And so like.

[Sierra]

And now it's like whenever.

[Nick]

Like, you know, he. He takes her when she can.

[Jackie]

He can get her. Yeah. Wow.

[Sierra]

Yeah. If, like, someone's sick or someone goes on vacation, like, I'm the call, which.

[Jackie]

Is great, but are you planning on. I mean, whatever this is. I just. Okay. I just find you to be a very shiny person. And I find ways, my child. You know what I'm saying? And I find that to be. And. And I'm not throwing that around.

[Sierra]

Do you feel like your character on Nobody wants this needs a sister type of thing or. No.

[Jackie]

Yeah. You're about as Jewish as me. My socks.

[Nick]

Are those Velcro shoes?

[Jackie]

You know it.

[Sierra]

They're Chloe.

[Jackie]

They're Chloe, They're Kristen's. They're not mine. Oh, my God. They're not mine.

[Sierra]

Did she know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, I took them from her house. She didn't know. We went on a hike, and then she suddenly couldn't find her clothes. Always. No, she has a couple of them. And I was like, do you fuck with these Velcro ones? Can I borrow? And we do this thing where we call it keeping it in the family. So she's like, yeah, just don't get rid of them. But, like, if I ever want them back or think of them, like, I'll borrow her cowboy.

[Nick]

She was like, worried you might give them to someone else?

[Jackie]

Yes. Or. Well, this is actually kind of funny. So years ago, I used to have an ebay. Oh, God, I'm really saying all the things today. I used to have an ebay business called oh, God. It just was called famous people stuff, and that's not easy to say out loud. Okay. You were selling famous people stuff they knew, but. Yes. It wasn't like I was sneaking it. Yeah.

[Nick]

Stuff they don't need. It's a good business.

[Jackie]

It was a great. But this was before the realreal and before there was, like, all this, like, amazing. This is truly, like, early 2000s.

[Sierra]

You were the innovator.

[Jackie]

I wasn't. Not right. And I was like, Kim King. I was like, cleaning out famous people's closets and then selling their stuff online.

[Natalie]

Did you label it with their names? Like, was it.

[Jackie]

No, no, no, no. I was never allowed to do that. That.

[Nick]

But did you have to share the profits or did you.

[Jackie]

Yes, very much. In fact, I only got, like, a small percentage. But a small percentage of, like, a clo. I mean, a Chanel bag or something at the time was like, that was my full job. And then. So I think she obviously doesn't have to say this anymore because I don't have a business and haven't for a long time, but it's like, she al gives me so much clothes and random hand me downs. She does it. They're. They're called bell me downs, and she gives them to everybody she knows. And so when I'm the recipient of them, that's obviously. But she was, like, being very clear. They're like, these aren't b me downs. Like, don't get rid of them. Right, right, right.

[Sierra]

So, like, you can wear them for a few times, but if I want them back, give them back.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, sometimes she'll be like, do you have my gray trench? And I'm like, never saw it. Don't know her name.

[Nick]

Like, deliberately not wear them over to her house. Now you're hoping.

[Jackie]

Can I tell you something?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Can I tell you something? I used to do that. It's the movie when I wasn't. When I wasn't a woman of means. I literally was like, oh, she gave me these Jordans. I'm not going to wear them at the house. She'll be like, that's where those Jordans are.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Jackie]

But now it's. You want those Velcro shoes back? Take the Velcro shoes back.

[Sierra]

How many times have you worn them since she gave them to you?

[Jackie]

So many.

[Nick]

Are you starting to get more free stuff now that you're super famous?

[Jackie]

It is such a joy. It is. I think in Jewish, the word is B. My mom just taught it for me. And it means, like, for nothing. Like, you're getting she and she. And she'll go, like, for no less. Like, you got it for free. No less. I got. This is actually funny. I got an All Saints jacket.

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Jackie]

Because I went to an event of theirs, and then they dress you head to toe for the event. This fit was so fire. I felt like a million bucks. And then Kristen wanted the jacket, and.

[Sierra]

You had to get it.

[Jackie]

Well, of course. It's like, after all these years, I'm gonna get another one from them. But, like, of course. It's like, it's in the work. She was like, oh, can I take your all saints jacket away for the weekend? And I was like, of course. No. I will always write back, what have you ever done for me? And then I'll go drop it off.

[Nick]

Is that like a rite or passage if you have, like, a more famous friend that, like, if they like something you're wearing, you kind of have to.

[Jackie]

Give it to them kind of. Only because, I mean, only if that famous friend has given you everything over the years. Like, if you're just randomly friends with someone and they never.

[Nick]

No, that would have been kind of hilarious. Be like, actually, I really like that shirt.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And you're just, like, crying and taking it off. I will say, because I'm such a thrifter and a vintage picker, often she will spot something of mine, and I'll have to, like, decide. And then I'm like, okay, the light blue Mickey Mouse vintage sweatshirt that you literally can't get. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna give it to her. Wow. Yeah. I'm a real hero.

[Sierra]

You kind of are.

[Natalie]

Have you ever said no?

[Jackie]

I took something back once. Nope. But. But in my defense, we were keeping them in the family, and I didn't give them to her. And they were my fucking velvet multicolored Doc Martens that I bought at Patricia Field in 1995.

[Nick]

She grabbed them and ran out of the house and didn't even say goodbye.

[Jackie]

I had a rocket shoes on, and I just zoomed right. Because she was. I was like, oh, I'd been thinking about those. Those docs. And she was like, that kind of kills me, but you can take them back. I was like, great, thank you. I will. But I fuck with them, and I wear them all the time.

[Sierra]

Oh, my gosh. You know who's someone I want to meet? Your mom. Right? She is amazing.

[Jackie]

The bet she is not to be believed. She's the cool. She's really, like, the funniest, coolest person. She's in Florida now, Because my parents got. Oh, my God, how horrible.

[Nick]

Rebel.

[Jackie]

Wow, that's really disgusting. Live in Florida because it's nice and warm down there and they're in like a 55 and over community. And they're the cutest and they love it. And they were in New York, like, what, were they going to continue to shovel the driveway? Like, they're old.

[Nick]

How often do you visit to Florida?

[Jackie]

I go, honestly, what's funny is I realized that the only reason I was ever going to New York was for them. And so now I just go to Florida. And they're really cute. They do like, Teatro, which is the Bellagio. 55 and over. Community developments. Musical theater, cabaret. Stop. And it's called, like, theater work. And they had to change the name from Teatro because people didn't know. They didn't know that that was theater in Italian. Yeah. Because also the old Jews are like Teatro. It's like. Okay, well, when you say it like that, I don't understand.

[Natalie]

We added a couple of letters.

[Jackie]

A couple? Maybe a ch, I thought a Y. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, they're a couple. A couple. But they go, yeah, they do the shows. Last year, my mom was in Chicago and they did the like, chaotic comments and they sell blocked hangout and they like all the. The old. The ladies came out with their, like, little own jail. So I'll show you the video. It was beyond. And the part where the woman speaks in Hungarian about how she got caught. My mom did that part. Yish.

[Natalie]

I love it.

[Jackie]

Stop.

[Sierra]

A woman. A Jack of all trades.

[Jackie]

Jack of all trades. Truly Jack of all trades.

[Nick]

What's dad doing these days?

[Jackie]

Dad's the best. Dad's in multiple singing groups. Dad taught me how to. Of course he's in his group with his friends that called Old Things New. But his friends live in Pennsylvania and so he doesn't see them as much. But his best friend, Gene Minor, was his student at Springfield Gardens in Brooklyn.

[Sierra]

Is he a musical kind of guy?

[Jackie]

G Minor, Honestly, Isn't that amazing? He is, but it's just a lucky name. But he's super musical. And then when Gene graduated, he and my dad ran back into each other many years later and started singing together. And now. Now they are old men. And my dad was his teacher in Brooklyn and now they.

[Sierra]

E. Teacher, Right.

[Jackie]

Huh? Wow. Yes. Research, Homework.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

So you love both of my parents? Excuse me? Both of my parents are more gym teachers.

[Nick]

What?

[Jackie]

And I. And I don't know how to kick catch.

[Nick]

Your parents were gym teachers?

[Jackie]

Gym teachers. They're both incredible. Were incredible athletes. My mom was like, incredible. I don't know if she was like all state field hockey, but she was like a beast. Field hockey. My dad played everything. Coached all my brothers sports. Both. My dad was the head of the phys ed department in Bushwick High School at like the height of when Bushwick was suck. Hairy. Scary. Scary. And it was like all the. The first school in the country to have metal detectors, that kind of thing. So it was gnarly. But now Bushwick is like, you can't afford a one bedroom.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Wait, so your parents are both like artistically gifted?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Natalie]

But they both didn't. Were never like actors or singers.

[Jackie]

Well, my dad. My dad was a background singer in a band called. With these guys in a band called Veto in the salutations in the 60s. And then he had his own band called the American Flyers.

[Sierra]

Love them. That was him.

[Jackie]

Stop. And I'm in love with you. And then he just kept singing. But then by the time me and my brothers were born, it was like, you know, he had a real job. He was like sending his songs to get copyright, you know, copyrighted at the copyright office and doing the whole thing my whole life. And he would always like get really affected. Brilliant piano player and singer and songwriter. And when any big thing would happen, like when I moved to LA, I'll send you guys the YouTube video. But he wrote a song that's so schmaltz and so Broadway, but called who Am I To Stop youp Dream? And it's a duet.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Cause who am I To Stop youp Dream? And it's my dad singing, playing piano. We duet and we harmonize.

[Sierra]

I died for him.

[Jackie]

And then my dad's now like grown into this man who's like, there's too much pepper in the soup. Like that's. He's a comment on everything that's ever been.

[Sierra]

Oh, boy.

[Jackie]

Oh, it's the greatest.

[Nick]

Does this come with age? I. I will say as I get older, I get grumpier.

[Jackie]

Which is why it's so great to have a partner. And I would. And also say a kid. Because when left to our own devices and when we're single and getting older, it is so easy to get crotchety.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

If you don't have someone being like, it's all right. And not that your partner has to be like a ray of sunshine every day because that's a lot of heaviness to deal with those karmajis. But it's like, it's just so Nice to have someone to bounce off of because you can see that you're being a certain way when there's someone else there. When you're alone, you're like, well, this. This is.

[Nick]

You know, right before I got. Right before I met Natalie. I think my friends were a little worried that I was.

[Jackie]

Were you single for a while? While.

[Nick]

Yeah. Seven, eight years.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Cobwebs. Yeah.

[Nick]

I met Natalie and I just like, wow. He's just a little letter on his feet. I really found out I was a real grumpy guy.

[Jackie]

Yes. And it. It. But you can't tell because you're just there by yourself.

[Nick]

I thought I was just being honest.

[Sierra]

I thought I was like, that's an.

[Jackie]

I have the same thing where I'm like, I'm just being honest. And it was like, okay, but do we need, like, ex again? We come back to did we need the bachelor text? We didn't need it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I've aged out of that maybe behavior.

[Sierra]

Have you?

[Jackie]

No.

[Sierra]

Did you see. Dax was, like, so shocked by the way kissed in. Kissed in.

[Jackie]

That's cute. But when Kristen kissed. Yes. Dax was so shocked by the way kissed. And Chris. He was. Was. He was so into it. It's so cute. He was so into it. It's the cutest thing. He was like, I'm watching it again. I'm watching it again. It's so, like, it's bad, but it.

[Nick]

Was okay because it wasn't wrong. But it's hot.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but exactly. And it's like, also, it's like they're at work and both of them are obsessed with their partners. And so it's just like. It's just sweet and cute and a TV show.

[Sierra]

And I feel like we talked because. Did you see the. Nicole Kidman's Baby Girl? Baby Girl, her erotic thriller that she's in. And she was like, I'm so sick and tired of orgasming. Like, I just. I can't anymore. Like, I just need a break.

[Jackie]

What are we talking? What she.

[Sierra]

Nicole Kidman's newest movie that comes out on Christmas Day is an erotic thriller trailer called Baby Girl. And she was like, I have to take breaks because I get so tired.

[Justin]

There's a lot of sex scenes.

[Jackie]

But she was like. But she wasn't real or.

[Nick]

I don't know. But she implied that she was.

[Sierra]

How do you. And then I was like, keith Urban is. Is very much like, if you would just tell me where the clit is, I could also.

[Jackie]

I could. Of course. I mean, just make me a tiny Treasure.

[Sierra]

Show me. Just.

[Jackie]

I'm gonna give you this Sharpie and a paper towel, and I'm asking that.

[Nick]

You should be like, I thought we're acting.

[Jackie]

I know. That's the. We did a sex scene on Glow, and it was the most technical, calculated, least sexy. Like, after doing that. I mean, then there's like also the Chloe Seven Years where there's like. Was it that movie Brown Bunny or something where there was like an actual blowjob? And so that's obviously a very.

[Nick]

It's called porn.

[Jackie]

It's called porn, honestly. And that's a very different story than, like, on Glow. The amount of layers that were between our parts, like, there was nothing. And then the second they call cut, you're, like, in a robe and, like, disgusted by yourself and your partner. It's like, it's not hot. You're not like this.

[Sierra]

So it's like. Because they. In some of these movies, they're showing, like, what I mean, I'm like, is that your vagina? Maybe not, but it's like there's just like thick layers of something that's like, right in front of your vagina. That's what's happening.

[Jackie]

So a lot of things happen. So on the very bottom, there's something called a whale tail. And I believe it's like a thong that you we hair. And it's a sticker. So you take the sticker off and then it's a V covers your bush goes in between your legs, like, kind of goes over your taint. And then there's another little sticker that goes like, at the very bottom, bottom, bottom of your ass crack. So you just go like. And so if you're standing in front of someone, you look. But, like, for your butt, you look completely naked, right? And from your front only, you're completely naked, but your bush is covered by like, a nude colored sticker.

[Nick]

And like this, like a Barbie doll.

[Jackie]

Totally. You're giving Barbie. And then for your actual physical coverage, then they cut a yoga mat into, like, the. That same shape that I then, like, put between my legs. And I believe he had on something covering his junk. Excuse me. And then there was one other layer in between us. I can't remember what that was, but there was so many layers between us that it was like, oh, my God, completely. And the yoga mat was one of those thickies. And so it's just like when he's grinding, there's. You feel nothing.

[Sierra]

Kind of shame.

[Jackie]

It is kind of a shame. You're not kidding. No, but it was Also, like, you know, it's. There's the. The crew is. I mean, they keep it very light, but, like, the crew is there and everyone's.

[Sierra]

So when you take the sticker off, are we, like, ripping pubes out? Like, are we.

[Jackie]

No, it goes above. It goes above. Right? But also, like, I'm a girl. I'm all lasered now. But when I was a hair person, yeah. I was like, waxing all the time, and people would be like, how do you do it? And I was like, I don't. I don't know if I have a high pain tolerance, but I was like, fine. It wasn't great. It wasn't a cakewalk.

[Natalie]

It's either there or it's not.

[Jackie]

Right. I wasn't just like, Yeah. I wasn't just like, oh, I love this. But I wasn't like, I could never do that again.

[Sierra]

Do you feel like you, like, shared, like, some deep secrets with your waxer? Because I feel like that's what I did.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. I mean, if the secrets are the shape and size of my asshole, then yes. Other than that, not especially. Were you.

[Sierra]

Were you kind of shocked when they were like, turn over and spread your cheeks, or were you, like, the first time.

[Jackie]

The first time I was like, oh, my God. Butthole. Okay.

[Nick]

Cute.

[Natalie]

And it turns out it's the least painful part.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. Some might say enjoyable.

[Sierra]

Some might say.

[Jackie]

Some might say.

[Sierra]

Some might say do it again.

[Jackie]

Was I supposed to hate this? Was I supposed to hate this? Yes.

[Sierra]

Isn't your G spot in your. You might love it.

[Justin]

Her.

[Mary]

Is it?

[Nick]

No. Justin speaks.

[Jackie]

Justin speaks.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Sierra]

From experience. Hello.

[Jackie]

Kind of tell a lie.

[Nick]

You wanted to tell Justin something about glow.

[Justin]

Glow, yes.

[Jackie]

Oh, I was just talking to someone the other day, and this is, like, about that. Not recycling of content, but the idea that, like, Glow was on. There's so many great shows and, like, young people. Because glow stopped in 2020. This is almost five years ago. Don't know. Know it.

[Justin]

And I feel like I was in high school.

[Jackie]

I feel like Gen Zers. Is that you? Like, I feel like Gen Zers would love Glow, but it just wasn't on at that. Like, I feel like, give it, like.

[Nick]

Five more years maybe when people are look, you know, looking for content, and then someone's gonna go on Tick Tock and be like, you know what I just watched?

[Justin]

They'll like it.

[Nick]

Yeah. And then it's gonna have a whole. Especially season three maybe trending back on Netflix or something. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Because I did have this moment of like, oh, it's so different with streamers than it ever was with network. Because we with network feel like things get talked about longer is. Maybe that's not true. I don't know. But maybe it's just the oversaturation of content that it's like, well, the young people have new shit to watch. You're not gonna like go back and watch this random show on Netflix from 2017 to 2020, but it's kind of.

[Sierra]

Suits kind of came back recently.

[Jackie]

I'm like, how does glow get? I mean, I don't even really.

[Justin]

Once the 80s fashion makes it like recycle. That's when global.

[Jackie]

It's just interesting to me that it's like, oh, yeah, we don't. Things just come and go. Like, this is also so mega random. But I'm caffeinated. Like the random British dramas, like cop dramas, people suggest to me when I tell you these motherfuckers can make a TV show. There's one called Broad Church. It's done been done for ages. But similar to this where I'm like, someone suggested it. They were like, if you're really looking for something to watch during COVID Covid. This show is insane. There's another one in England called Happy Valley. Bonkers. Like, two of the best shows I've ever seen. And they're just like these random cop dramas. I forget where I even found them at the time. Maybe they were streaming. Maybe, but illegally. No, not like Netflix or Peacock or something. Yeah, they were. They were somewhere when I was. And I was like, it's just fascinating to me, I guess, that, like, these amazing. Without being too dramatic, like these amazing works of art exist and it's just like, well, oh, you never heard of it.

[Nick]

Which. What's. What makes nobody wants this that much cooler.

[Jackie]

This is exactly the point where it's like, you've been doing this long enough and you're like, so this one hit. Like, okay, I'm so down.

[Nick]

Do you. When are you guys going to pick up the cameras again?

[Jackie]

I think the writers room has been going for a minute now. Like over a month, maybe more.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Jackie]

And so I think February, they're saying that will go broke. I don't know for sure. They haven't told me.

[Sierra]

But who do you think is funnier? Aaron or Sarah?

[Jackie]

Oh, I don't know. I actually don't know. You're trying to get her fired, so. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, I would never say. No, no, no. If I had an opinion. If I had an opinion on that, I would Never say it. I mean, now you won't know if this is the truth, but the truth is they're both, like, so sort of witty and funny and it's just like. It's not fair. And they're, like, gorgeous. And like, just also like the fact that they're actually talented and smart, you're.

[Sierra]

Like, oh, it's like, even more annoying.

[Jackie]

Come on.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I do have, like, a really dying, burning question. How did your parents feel when you went on American Idol? Were they like, hell fucking yeah? Or were they like, this is a disgrace?

[Jackie]

No, my parents are very much a hell yeah group of people. I love that about them.

[Sierra]

I knew that about them. She went to see my finals. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I was in top 36, which was the only year there was ever a.

[Nick]

36 reality TV star and a real star.

[Jackie]

I suppose so. I mean, I don't even know that I'm either, but for the. For this instance, I'll say yes. It's so fucking cool. Idol was such a weird charmed experience. Until it wasn't. But yeah, that was like this really weird year where Instead of picking 24, they were, like, changing the format. They added Cara Dioguardi. So it was Simon Paula. Remember that whole thing, Randy? It was. That was that decade or that era. And then they added Cara and then they were just changing it up and so they did a top 36. And then 24 people got eliminated immediately. And it went from 36 to 12. So many of us just got the hatchet.

[Sierra]

What was your audition song?

[Jackie]

Well, I initially tried out for not me and Barney from, like, I went to Heidi Klum's Halloween party. And walked the carpet. Yeah, and walked the carpet with Barney. There we are. There I am. Look at me go.

[Sierra]

Wow. Oh, my God. Jordans. Were those.

[Jackie]

No, those were actually mine. Okay, perfect. For what it's worth, I got her into.

[Sierra]

So what was yours?

[Jackie]

My American Idol experience was so interesting and bizarre, but it was fun.

[Sierra]

Would you do it again?

[Nick]

No.

[Sierra]

She's a real star now, obviously. But if they were like, oh, like an all star, Like.

[Jackie]

No, like, I think if they're.

[Nick]

They want you and Carrie Underwood back.

[Jackie]

That's right. That's it. And Kelly would add. Both of them would wipe the floor with me. I'm a very different singer. Those girls are like. Yeah, I'm more of a style singer than. Than like, those girls are. I mean, I could sing, but those girls are like two of the best. Idle or not, they're just machines. Unbelievable. But, yeah, it was cool. But that top 36 US. Because not to. You can never say. But if I was going to. If there was a 24 and then it was like two off per week, I would have. I have very, in very good faith feel I would have made the top 24 and then I wouldn't have been gone on so quickly. So it was such a weird thing. They were just like, sayonara, 24 of you.

[Sierra]

And like, for what?

[Jackie]

Like, I don't. No. Yeah. Well, slash some of their attire.

[Sierra]

No.

[Jackie]

So then I guess I'll get quote, unquote, against the rules.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Was this in Simon's, like, nice era?

[Jackie]

No. When was Simon never nice?

[Sierra]

Well, I think he's entering his nice one and people are like, you.

[Jackie]

Oh, he is nice now. Oh, that's so funny. It's so boring. Yeah, no, he was a complete, complete.

[Sierra]

Do you. It was. It was. Was there something that stuck out that he said to you maybe, like.

[Jackie]

Well, I think one of the major reasons I got eliminated was because he just like ripped me to shreds after that. What was really weird is it was so charmed that I was like, is this what reality TV is? Like, everyone was cool with me. Everyone was lovely with me. Paula went on Late Night and Jay Leno, speaking of the devil, asked her. I haven't said the name Jay leno in about 12 years. I've said it twice in the last 45 minutes. Jay Leno was like, so it's your favorite favorite? And she just was like, I can't say. And then, like, looked at the camera and was like, it's Jackie Tone. So I remember being like, I'm about to win American Idol. Really? Then the top 36 enters and they sort of made me sing this, the song that I sang, which was Little Less Conversation by Elvis Presley, which I had never heard in my life. But at the time that setting you up, that Fat Boy Slim version of Little S Conversation, it was like a DJ remix was. Was it hit and then somebody years ago had, like won with the song. And they were like, you're high energy. We want you to put on a show. And I was like, can I play my guitar and do like, this is.

[Nick]

Before they let you use instruments. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And they were like, they were. There was so much like, obviously it's never rigged because that's illegal. And they would never fuck with that. But there was so much producing that at like borderline. It was what it was. It was like.

[Nick]

Like, it's not rigged.

[Jackie]

But they picked it and they picked my Song. Like, I didn't pick that song. I mean, I had to agree to it at some point and then learn it. But the songs on my list were like Pocket Full of Sunshine, you know, Pocket Full of Sunshine or other songs by lit. What's that name of that band? Pocketful Sunshine Band. Lim Lem.

[Sierra]

I was thinking Colby, Halle.

[Jackie]

Oh, it wasn't that.

[Natalie]

Len, isn't it Len? Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay, but what's that song?

[Natalie]

Walking on Sunshine?

[Sierra]

No, no.

[Jackie]

If only you had a computer. One millimeter from the tips of your finger.

[Sierra]

Who's. I've never even heard of Lynn.

[Jackie]

Well, because you're 19.

[Sierra]

L, Y, N, N, Like a Lynn.

[Jackie]

No.

[Sierra]

I feel like it's a good song.

[Jackie]

Oh, it's fine. I mean, it was a hit and it was fine, but it was like they. The songs I put on my list were like, you got me begging you for mercy. Yeah, Like Amy and like Amy Winehouse and like Carole King and Aerosmith and Pink. And they didn't approve any of them. None. They were like, we can't get these approved. And it's like, you can't. And then like this girl a week later had my whole. Did my whole song. I was like, wait, did I write her song list? You know, I was like, weird. It was weird.

[Nick]

But you know what they thought there was like this person actually, she's going to be a real. There's a different path for her. You could have been pigeonholed as a reality TV star. You wouldn't have wanted that.

[Jackie]

It's true. And you know what's really interesting? The number of people I met on American Idol who have come back later in my life life and affected my life or changed my life for the better is actually a large number. Like, there's a guy named Toby Gorman who was like a segment producer on American Idol. I mean, he wasn't a high level guy. And he. I went to take a meeting over at the Magical Elves, which is like best in class reality production company, created Top Chef, Project Runway. They're beasts. They're amazing. And. And I had a meeting over there. Apparently Netflix was doing a cooking show called Best Leftovers ever. By the way, full circle, those Craig's pictures.

[Sierra]

Hello.

[Jackie]

Genuinely maybe got me the job.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Jackie]

Because I was like, you have your other. Your other comics coming and claiming they like Leftovers. Let me introduce you to my Getty Images of my greasy bangs. So I go into this meeting at Magical Elves for this thing. They were looking for, like a woman who was on Netflix, who is a comic. Those Those were the three things. And so they made a list. And I came in and I walk in the room and this guy, like jokingly introduces himself to me. I try and place him, put him. Right away. He was this guy, Toby Gorman. He's now running the magical elves. And he was like, I wanted to meet you first on this because I remember when you were on Idol, we all thought to ourselves, I mean, this weird to say out loud, but this is what he said. He was like, this girl's a star, but what are we going to do with her here? Oh, my God. Like, what. What are we going to do with this personality and this person on America? Like, it's like, this isn't really it for her. And he was like. And then I watched you get glow and I was like, she's fucking doing. I've chills. Then he's like, she's fucking doing it. And then I went into magical elves and he was like, dude, we want you to do this show. Like, let's go. And now he's like the head of alternative programming at NBC and he's like, yeah, he's a. He's a big guy and he's a wonderful person, but like, he was this guy from England doing some segment producing with the contestants on American Idol in 2008.

[Sierra]

That's why people say, be nice to everyone because one day they could be your boss.

[Nick]

People change jobs, don't burn bridges, play a long game.

[Jackie]

That's a crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. So much full circle stuff for me and so much weird Idol stuff came back around. That's weird. And not winning. Take your shoe off to your point. No, I want to play with the soul. Seven. Are you eight? Oh, yeah. No, these are seven.

[Sierra]

Are you sure?

[Jackie]

What do you want to try?

[Sierra]

Well, I mean.

[Jackie]

I mean, you could try. You're going to stretch. Don't stretch them.

[Sierra]

No, no, no, I don't want to stretch them.

[Jackie]

There's nothing.

[Nick]

Huge feet.

[Justin]

There's.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I was going to say there's nothing worse, like, for a girl to say to another girl where it's like, you can try on my sweater. Don't stretch it. You're like, what the fuck did you just say? I know.

[Sierra]

Literally, like, I'm huge.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's like you had a baby nine months ago. You look like an absolute smoke show.

[Sierra]

Well, the.

[Jackie]

I think the pressures for women to get back into shape after babies is so terrifying.

[Nick]

We got married three months after she had a baby.

[Sierra]

Two months. Thank you. And I. Yeah, that was pressure. For me.

[Jackie]

Are you breastfeeding?

[Sierra]

I was, and my milk dried up at four months. Heartbreaking. It was okay. Yeah, but it's okay.

[Jackie]

We got you doing too good now.

[Sierra]

We're formula baby. So at the end of the day, she'll eat the goldfish off the car floor. So it'll be fine.

[Jackie]

So will Glenn.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

My Glenn.

[Sierra]

Knew Glenn was that kind of guy.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Glenn. You could. You could offer Glenn any old thing, and he'll eat it.

[Sierra]

Does he have all his teeth?

[Jackie]

That's a really. You've been asking so many cute questions. Not only does he not have all his teeth, but I'll be pulling my phone back out to show you the one remaining tooth he has left. 1. The one remaining tooth he has left on his head. But if I can tell you something. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Okay, I have to go into my favorites, so we can delete all this, but it'll be worth it. And do you want to know why? Because his remaining tooth is shaped like Michigan.

[Sierra]

No way.

[Jackie]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's a little freaking fingerless glove shaped of that, and when you see it, you're gonna freaking heart explode.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. Hurry up.

[Jackie]

I can.

[Sierra]

You have to come past her.

[Jackie]

You're not. You can't. You can't shut.

[Sierra]

Are you serious?

[Jackie]

Nick, take the phone. Nick, take the phone. Do I need.

[Nick]

That's exactly Michigan.

[Jackie]

It's Michigan.

[Nick]

Well, also. No. Or, like, a really cute, tiny ornament of a T shirt.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. Or a baby T shirt. Or a fingerless glove. A glove. Yes. Do we need to send it to you so you could put it on the thing? I mean, people need to see. You must.

[Sierra]

No, no, no. I might cry.

[Jackie]

I said, I called the vet.

[Sierra]

Sweetest thing I've ever seen.

[Jackie]

He got 17 taken out, and I got. I got him, like, this supersonic or whatever they call it sonic toothbrushing every six months because he's a Chihuahua. And I was trying to keep him healthy. And then I went back at one point, and the. The vet. The. The dental vet, or whatever they're called, was like, we can't give him the sonic thing anymore. His teeth are, like, loose and rotting. He needs a bunch of them taken out. So then I went to the vet. Vet. And she was like, y. Does he ever. And I was like, how many? And she was like, well, we. We won't see until we put him under 17. 17. And that. I called her afterwards, and I go.

[Nick]

You know, did you save Michigan?

[Jackie]

I Said I asked. Well, what's funny is I didn't know Michigan was even in there because I. I didn't. I hadn't looked closely enough. Yeah. And then this wonderful vet, I called her afterwards, and she has a good sense of humor. And I was like, did you. Was it a bit. Did you keep Michigan as a joke? Because what are you going to keep one tiny. That's not doing anything. It's not biting. And she's like, well, what we do is we keep any. We need any good one. And inexplicably, that front Michigan was. Was still good. Could you.

[Sierra]

What is. What do you. Do you like blender his food dude up? Oh, my.

[Jackie]

No, it's.

[Sierra]

I. It might bring me to tears. I'm not kidding. I might. I might have a tearful.

[Jackie]

It's sick. It's sick. I love this dog so much. It makes me mad every day.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Every single day. And then one of his remaining tooth is Michigan.

[Sierra]

So you blender his food.

[Jackie]

I. Well, before he even. This is before. You're very intuitive. Before I even got 17 of his teeth taken, he was already on sort of like a liquidy. It's not full liquid, but it's like mush. Yeah. But the reason he was on that was because he ate his kibble so quickly that not even a slow feeder could slow him down. And I would put a quarter cup in the thing, look to my boyfriend to be like, what, babe? Look down. Gone. And I'd go, did you put the kibble in the dish? And he's like, I swear to God, I did. And I'm like, well, it's a slow feeder. And it's gone. It's gone. There's no proof of it. You should put him in, like, a.

[Sierra]

Hot dog chat challenge.

[Jackie]

That's really cute. I should put him in a hot dog costume and then put him in a hot dog.

[Nick]

He'll be the ringer.

[Jackie]

He freaking wins.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

So he's been on this, like, porgy. So it slows him down slightly. Slightly because he's having to, like, kind of lap it instead of. I don't know. I don't even know. Was he hoovering also? Another thing is he doesn't chew. So that was scaring me because I'd put his kibble in and he would just gulp it all down.

[Nick]

Daughter.

[Jackie]

Oh, I'm gonna bite her. I really will. If I ever saw her knees, I would. She'd be in danger.

[Nick]

It's her feet for me. I like her little toes and her.

[Jackie]

Freaking feet are the tops of her feet. I love puppy. Don't. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I just.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And so when they freaking crawl, they have their freaking. Build a bear feet on. I can't.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm so upset now.

[Sierra]

I'm so.

[Jackie]

How will I do the rest?

[Sierra]

Well, I can't do. I mean, I'm gonna think about Michigan for the rest of my life.

[Jackie]

Oh, I'm texting you, too.

[Sierra]

No, I'm gonna make my wallpaper. I'm replacing my daughter and making it Michigan.

[Jackie]

Do you feel like people on podcasts are like, we should go on a double date, and then it never happens.

[Sierra]

The amount of people that. I mean, I would. I haven't asked a lot because I only want to ask you, but because.

[Jackie]

I'm feeling that right now. Like, the four of us would be pigs and shit, but then I'm like, am I going to be la? Who's like, we need like. Guys, can I say something? Wait a second. Have you guys ever been to Creature Coffee and Have to go. Have to go.

[Nick]

We have to go.

[Jackie]

Then none of us ever text again until I'm on the show for season two.

[Nick]

No, we. We follow up.

[Jackie]

Where do you guys live? Are you allowed to say, or is that creepy?

[Sierra]

Here?

[Jackie]

Glendale.

[Nick]

Oh, wait. Tai Fung.

[Jackie]

Oh, anytime. Live for din. Tai fung.

[Sierra]

I kind of really good move.

[Justin]

The new move.

[Nick]

The new location sucks.

[Jackie]

I haven't been to the new location. It's inside the mall, right next to.

[Sierra]

Victoria Secret Bath and Body Works.

[Jackie]

Can you, like, smell the cucumber mist?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

No, like, inside, it's nicer and bigger, but, like, it's similar.

[Jackie]

I loved the other din time.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was so convenient.

[Jackie]

I. I'm thinking about those chocolate buns that the. Have you ever had those?

[Sierra]

Never had.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. You guys don't understand.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Oh, my cheeks are very red. Just because it's only 210 degrees in here.

[Sierra]

Really, really quick question. Do you have a guilty pleasure?

[Jackie]

Ooh. I mean, it's not a guilty pleasure because I don't feel guilty about it, but my obsession is RuPaul's Drag Race. Ooh. And like, to a point where, oh, you'll die.

[Sierra]

Who is it?

[Jackie]

It's a reminder to digitize my Bat Mitzvah video. Why am I so me. Why can I. I. Why is this. This is it.

[Nick]

Why of all days, are you supposed to digitize something that you filmed? How long ago?

[Jackie]

30 years. I put it in a reminder. I knew I'd be back from New York doing press. And I was like, I'll put it in this time. Because people keep asking me that they want to see it because I talk about it all the time. And it's like on VHS tapes that are probably. Waterloo. Was it New York Theme from Hurricane Sandy. I wish it was New York themed, but you already know it was Hollywood.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Obviously, you know it was Hollywood. And one table was like. But it was pretentious. It was like one T was like the directors, the producers, the. You want to know one of the tables? I was 12 years old and I was like, oh, you're at the cinematographers. Have a nice.

[Sierra]

Boring.

[Jackie]

Boring. It's like, could you imagine being that pretentious as a child? Was there precocious? Really?

[Natalie]

Was there an extras table?

[Jackie]

Oh, so rude. Amazing. Where I'm like, I'm happy you were able to come. Marissa, you're at the extras. Did you bring Morgan? Marissa, Morgan, you guys are at the extras. Thanks for coming, though. Yeah. Do your parents send a gift at the extras table? I can't believe I never thought of that. Genius.

[Sierra]

So good.

[Jackie]

Oh, just to be like. So caddy and be like, we ran out of. There's no. There were no other careers.

[Sierra]

Sorry.

[Jackie]

It's not that I think you're like an absolute loser. It's just because we couldn't fit anyone else at the directors.

[Natalie]

You're an extra. Invite.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're an extra.

[Sierra]

That's awful. I do love that you love RuPaul's track.

[Jackie]

I love it so much. I watch it. My big goal in life is to be a judge on the panel. Just like they have people guest judging. I know. I mean, I really hope so. Maybe season two. I don't know. But it's my absolute dream to sit near Rue and Michelle. Also, my brain works in those little. The jokes that they write when the queens are coming down the Runway and they have all these little comments that they. They make. It's my dream. Like, I start talk. I start saying it at home.

[Sierra]

I know you do.

[Jackie]

And I'm like, but I'm all the way over here, and I love it. And I watch. I have the wow app, and I watch it in every single country. I mean, it's. It's my. It's my very special place. And when Love island is on, I'm.

[Sierra]

You're there.

[Jackie]

Also, I'm huge in Solid Island.

[Nick]

Yeah. We really got into it this season.

[Jackie]

It was crazy. The reunion was. I mean, it's a little old now to be talking about it. But the Love Island US reunion was so concerning. Is everyone okay?

[Sierra]

Yeah, we actually. Sierra reminded us that they said. And Rob, we. What was it that.

[Natalie]

We have a hard hitting question that America wants to know. Have you retired the overalls? And it was like out of that entire fucking season. You think that's the question that we're dying here.

[Jackie]

What about the British one?

[Natalie]

Miguel?

[Jackie]

No, uk.

[Sierra]

Aaron.

[Nick]

After we interviewed him, I would DM him every three days and been like, are you okay? How are you doing?

[Jackie]

How is he?

[Nick]

I should probably check in on him. Thanks for reminding.

[Jackie]

You're welcome. Because. So what went on there where I guess you're friends with him. We're not allowed to talk about it, but. So he. What was that whole story that he was like mean to Kaylor or something?

[Nick]

Yeah, he was kind of giving fuck boy. But the Internet is so fucking mean, right? And they just. I mean, when we interviewed him, he was. I honestly, it was. I felt bad. I mean, he was kind of.

[Sierra]

I think Nick hugged him like maybe four times.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He also was on Traders UK and won it. So it's like he went from having this really great experience on reality TV over there to coming over here.

[Nick]

And like the fans of Traders are.

[Jackie]

So much different than like on Traders After.

[Natalie]

He was like, before UK Traders before.

[Nick]

Like not celebrity uk. Like there's like a.

[Jackie]

Wait, you're kidding. I thought you meant I was like, how was he on Celebrity Traders before Love Island?

[Nick]

No, there's like a normie version.

[Jackie]

There's a Normie Traders. He won and then he got on us Love island. And everyone was like, you're mean to Kaylor. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Eviscerated him.

[Jackie]

Wow. Okay. I need to look into more of it.

[Nick]

They're listening episode with them.

[Jackie]

I'm going to.

[Nick]

All right.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Well, guys, what are you doing this weekend?

[Sierra]

The digitizing.

[Jackie]

Digitizing my butt music video, which, by the way, that I will. I will press delay on that and it'll come up every single day.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

This weekend. I think I'm chilling because it's been crazy. And I'm going back to New York next week. So then I'm going. Oh, then on the 15th, I'm going to Dallas. This for the Mike Tyson Jake Paul.

[Nick]

I'm very excited about that. Yeah. That's very cool.

[Sierra]

Did you get invited or did you.

[Jackie]

So it was so random. My.

[Nick]

Should we try to go?

[Jackie]

Yeah, please.

[Sierra]

Should we take our daughter, you think? Is it.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. She'll love it.

[Nick]

We'll have grandma babysit.

[Jackie]

She'll Love it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Which grandma's here?

[Sierra]

No grandma's here.

[Jackie]

Okay. But she comes in because my boyfriend and I talk about this. We're like, well, what are we gonna. You know? His parents are up north, my parents are in Florida. And like, the grandma of it all is invaluable.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Jackie]

It's huge. I know.

[Mary]

It's.

[Sierra]

Sometimes I put her on FaceTime and I'm like, watch her while I pee.

[Jackie]

Dead.

[Justin]

Perfect.

[Jackie]

But you're like, if she's loud enough, she's like, she tipped over. Not only she tipped, she's in the couch. Crazy.

[Sierra]

She's like this.

[Jackie]

Also, she's my mom.

[Sierra]

To get her to stop crying. And it's great.

[Jackie]

That's the cutest thing ever. She's my good friend with her frickin dirt socks and her freaking strawberry costume.

[Sierra]

I feel like she would love Michigan.

[Jackie]

Oh, my goodness. Look what happened to my hands. When I thought about it, they went into freaking cuffs.

[Sierra]

They did.

[Jackie]

I get too upset about babies and dogs.

[Nick]

Can we have you back on without recording 800 episodes in between?

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. 800 episodes, that's a lot. Dude, that's so great. Congratulations.

[Nick]

Thank you. Yeah.

[Jackie]

People love you. They love. The pod was so cute. I told my boyfriend I was coming and he was like, that's awesome. He was like all excited.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. We all love him. Yeah, he's edible.

[Sierra]

Love him.

[Jackie]

Yeah, we do. Well, that's my. Those are my. That's my final thoughts, Jackie.

[Nick]

He let the people know where to follow you on social media.

[Jackie]

It's very, very important. This is all that matters.

[Nick]

Yep, Yep. Gotta get that. Gotta get that merch.

[Jackie]

Gotta get that merch. I don't have any merch, but my parents are really funny and they're on my social media all the time. But anyway, it's. It's at Jackie Tone T O H N on Instagram and I'm. I feel people keep telling me to get into TikTok and I haven't really taken.

[Nick]

Could do very well on that.

[Jackie]

No, I mean, I feel that is the case.

[Nick]

Yeah. I feel that it is like work, though.

[Jackie]

It's work. I know I would. Maybe I'd have to like, hire someone because I can't. I don't have the attention span.

[Sierra]

It's also a trap. Once you start scrolling, it's very hard to find.

[Jackie]

I know. Well, that's why I don't consume on there. But I would like, at least like to.

[Nick]

You know, I haven't been on there as A consumer in maybe six months.

[Jackie]

Oh, it's so good for your mental health.

[Natalie]

I feel like you'd be really good at, like, hot takes. Like, just being like, here's a hot take.

[Jackie]

But I have to be careful because I'm so opinionated. And it's like, if I said 1 1,000th of the shit that I was thinking, not that I'd be canceled, but I'd have, like, fucking enemies everywhere. And it's like, it'd be us sick.

[Natalie]

Or you could be the new Joan Rivers.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's my dream. That's my dream. That's my dream. I love her. Thank you. I love her so much. Me too. I miss her so much. That was. She was like, one of the only, like, when people would cry about losing celebrities because we all have these parasocial relationships with them, and I would always understand it. Yeah. But it wouldn't get me, like, a family member. And then we lost Joan, and I was like, oh, I get it now. That's like a person that informed so much for me and how I am as a human.

[Sierra]

We named our daughter after her.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Mary]

No.

[Jackie]

I was like, well, it makes no sense because her name is River Rose. Joan Rivers. Right. So that's why I said, really? Yeah. But I know someone who d their daughter, Joan, and it is real.

[Nick]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Jackie]

I'm sure there's a lot of people I love that. That was so obscene to you, that it was like, this is cute. I never saw it till now. It's giving text. It is giving. Stop text, as in a brief is so dumb.

[Nick]

Tech.

[Jackie]

No good. It's giving such, like, text. She. She passed. I'm so sorry. I killed her.

[Nick]

We could keep talking, I think, for hours. We're gonna have to kick you out.

[Jackie]

Love you guys. It's so comfortable in here. I never want to leave.

[Nick]

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[Jackie]

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[Sierra]

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[Jackie]

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[Sierra]

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[Jackie]

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