E840 Going Deeper with Garrett and Taylor from Love Is Blind

Summary

The Viall Files Podcast Summary: Episode E840 – Going Deeper with Garrett and Taylor from Love Is Blind

Release Date: November 13, 2024

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Introduction to Guests and Current Life

In this episode of The Viall Files, hosts Nick Viall and Natalie Joy are joined by Garrett Taylor and Taylor Crow, a married couple from the reality TV show Love Is Blind. The conversation delves into their life post-show, exploring the dynamics of their relationship, adjustments to reality outside the camera, and their future plans.

Adjusting to Real Life After Love Is Blind

Garrett and Taylor discuss the transition from being on a reality TV show to living together in the real world. Initially planning to relocate to San Diego, the couple faced challenges adjusting to life on two coasts. Garrett shares, “[02:18] Garrett Taylor: No. Lots of food and laughs and a little bit of TV show. We honestly, it has been really cool. The bicoastal thing has been the biggest challenge.”

They eventually settled primarily in Fredericksburg, Virginia, balancing time between San Diego and their hometown. Taylor adds, “[02:42] Garrett Taylor: We've got the map. It’s like an hour south of D.C. if there's no traffic.”

Communication and Moving Challenges

A significant portion of their discussion centers around the logistical and emotional challenges of relocating and cohabitating. Garrett reflects on a pivotal conversation where he expressed his need to stay closer to home, leading to adjustments in their initial plans. “[04:26] Taylor Crow: Well, I want to clarify. It’s funny on the show it seems like we decided we’re moving to San Diego immediately after getting married. And that was never the discussion…”

Garrett elaborates on his feelings of homesickness and the realization that the remote living lifestyle was unsustainable for their new marriage. “[05:06] Garrett Taylor: I started to really feel something. I think it was on the way back from... I miss my family and friends. This is really hard for me.”

Handling the Show’s Reveal and Public Perception

The couple discusses the intense experience of the show’s reveal process, where they transitioned from speaking without seeing each other to being in a highly publicized relationship. Garrett shares the confusion and overwhelming emotions during the reveal: “[22:16] Taylor Crow: I mean, we were really in love with each other... It was really hard to describe.”

Nick Viall probes into how they managed to maintain their relationship despite the pressures of public scrutiny and the show’s format. “[04:00] Nick Viall: How did you approach that? Was that an ongoing conversation or something you built up the courage to discuss?”

Intimacy and Privacy in the Relationship

Garrett and Taylor address the delicate balance between showcasing their relationship on camera and maintaining personal boundaries. They emphasize the importance of private communication about sensitive topics like intimacy. Garrett explains, “[25:06] Garrett Taylor: Those conversations started in the pods, but Taylor and I didn’t want to talk about it in public... We decided to write notes to one another.”

Taylor adds, “[26:33] Garrett Taylor: Yes, they have looked after you guys... We did talk about it because you’re hanging out kind of before you do see your person in Cabo with the boys a little bit.”

Dealing with Online Criticism and Social Media

The episode delves into the challenges of handling online hate and maintaining mental well-being amidst public criticism. Garrett recounts an incident where he received hurtful messages from an ex, leading to tension in his marriage. “[33:24] Garrett Taylor: Yeah. So I didn’t reach out and, like, say, hey, by the way, like, heads up.”

Both Garrett and Taylor discuss strategies for managing negative feedback, such as filtering out harmful comments and focusing on supportive relationships. Taylor shares, “[57:46] Ashley: And I think that’s kind of for certainly where it’s gotten to because I...”

Reflections on Other Love Is Blind Couples

Guests reflect on the experiences of other couples from Love Is Blind, particularly Marissa and Ramses, analyzing how physical chemistry can impact relationship longevity. Nick observes, “[27:39] Nick Viall: It can make it harder for two people to remain objective about their feelings...”

Taylor concurs, “[28:10] Taylor Crow: Yeah, I really don’t have a ton of visibility into, like, everything that happened... I think we got to the other side and we’re still definitely figuring it out.”

Relationship Advice Segment with Caller

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts address a caller, Ashley, who is struggling with issues in her long-distance relationship. Ashley explains her challenges with her partner’s frequent travel and lack of prioritization: “[66:18] Ashley: ...he had a trip tentatively planned... I have somebody else. I need to make a priority.”

Nick and the guests offer advice on setting clear expectations, the importance of communication, and the necessity of aligning future goals to sustain long-distance relationships. Nick advises, “[70:37] Nick Viall: What I’m hearing is that like, I’m always trying to always empathize with both parties when I hear stuff like this.”

Closing Remarks and Future Plans

In their closing discussion, Garrett and Taylor talk about their plans to move to Washington, D.C., and Garrett’s interest in continuing his modeling career. Garrett shares, “[92:19] Garrett Taylor: And Natalie’s like, I’ve been so... planning to move to D.C. ironically.”

They emphasize the importance of maintaining their individual identities while nurturing their relationship. Taylor concludes, “[93:45] Garrett Taylor: ...it’s not real.”

Nick wraps up the episode by highlighting the importance of controlling one’s narrative post-reality TV and encourages listeners to support Garrett and Taylor as they navigate their public and private lives.

Notable Quotes:

• “[02:18] Garrett Taylor: No. Lots of food and laughs and a little bit of TV show. We honestly, it has been really cool. The bicoastal thing has been the biggest challenge.”

• “[05:06] Garrett Taylor: I started to really feel something. I think it was on the way back from... I miss my family and friends. This is really hard for me.”

• “[22:16] Taylor Crow: I mean, we were really in love with each other... It was really hard to describe.”

• “[25:06] Garrett Taylor: Those conversations started in the pods, but Taylor and I didn’t want to talk about it in public... We decided to write notes to one another.”

• “[33:24] Garrett Taylor: Yeah. So I didn’t reach out and, like, say, hey, by the way, like, heads up.”

• “[66:18] Ashley: ...he had a trip tentatively planned... I have somebody else. I need to make a priority.”

• “[77:02] Taylor Crow: ...you need to have some kind of understanding of where this is going.”

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Conclusion

This episode of The Viall Files provides an in-depth look into Garrett and Taylor’s journey from Love Is Blind to their current married life, shedding light on the complexities of their relationship, the challenges of living apart and together, and the impact of public scrutiny. They offer valuable insights and advice for listeners navigating similar relationship dynamics, emphasizing the importance of communication, understanding, and mutual support.

Transcript

[Nick Viall]

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[Garrett Taylor]

I'll sit over here and I'll interview you. What's your favorite things about Garrett? Top ten.

[Taylor Crow]

Well, his hair, obviously.

[Garrett Taylor]

You're crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Garrett Taylor, welcome to Vow Files.

[Natalie]

Great to be here.

[Nick Viall]

Great to have you. Round of applause for being in love. You got to show love, right?

[Taylor Crow]

Yes, very much for love.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, part of me, part of me always like roots for the drama, you know.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

If you guys were fighting on the way in, like, I'd be sad for you.

[Taylor Crow]

But be great for the.

[Nick Viall]

It would be great for us. Yeah. No, but I'm very happy for you guys. How has it been? What? What has life been like in the.

[Taylor Crow]

Real world so far between two coasts? It's been definitely an adjustment. But living together like you're my. You're my best friend, it's been actually really fun. Like laughing most of the time when we're not working and cooking dinner at home and I learned how to fish spear fish traveling. Anything else I think you got covered?

[Garrett Taylor]

No. Lots of food and laughs and a little bit of TV show. We honestly, it has been really cool. The bicoastal thing has been the biggest challenge. But other than that, like when you.

[Nick Viall]

Say bicoastal, are you guys living apart at times?

[Garrett Taylor]

No, no, no, no. We, we so like no, no, no.

[Nick Viall]

No, no, no, no. We're so funny in love.

[Taylor Crow]

We're so funny in love.

[Garrett Taylor]

But no, we do a zoom call once a week. It's fine.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, we not. We spend a lot of time in San Diego, but we're mostly based in Fredericksburg right now.

[Nick Viall]

And where's Fredericksburg?

[Garrett Taylor]

Because you said the reunion. I just called my dad up and gave me. When you see the red barn, you're going too far. You know, that kind of thing.

[Natalie]

About two miles down the road left light.

[Garrett Taylor]

We've got the map.

[Natalie]

That is too.

[Garrett Taylor]

It's like an hour south of D.C. if there's no traffic.

[Nick Viall]

Virginia. Ish.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. South of D.C. it's in between D.C. and Richmond's always town. Tell people. Okay, so it's conveniently located.

[Nick Viall]

No, we were in San Diego this weekend.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh really?

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, we're at.

[Nick Viall]

My brother and sister in law live there and they had their first baby so we went to visit.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, San Diego's beautiful. We love it. We obviously did our first trip there on the show to south park, which is the area where her family lives. And we've got an apartment there now. And we walked to her parents place and walked downtown and it's beautiful. Yeah, I love it.

[Natalie]

We have an apartment in both places.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

So you're rich.

[Natalie]

So truly they're loaded. Oh my God.

[Taylor Crow]

I Airbnb the apartment in San Diego. And that's smart.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'll be renting. Yeah. Mine out once we make our next big move.

[Nick Viall]

You had mentioned at the reunion when. When one of the. I'm just kidding. Nick. Nick and Vanessa, when they really dug deep. Yeah. But they asked you about your living situation and you mentioned that, you know, because obviously on the show you guys had talked and it was our understanding that you guys agreed to relocate to San Diego.

[Garrett Taylor]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

And it sounds like that was a challenge for you and obviously you wanted to close to home and then you had a conversation and where you guys came up with this new plan. But how did you approach that? And I was curious, like was that something that was like an ongoing conversation or was that something you were feeling and then you finally kind of built up the courage to say, hey Taylor, I gotta ask you or tell you something. And how did that go all go down?

[Taylor Crow]

Well, I want to clarify. It's funny on the show it seems like we decided we're moving to San Diego immediately after getting married. And that was never the discussion. It was like, where do we want to raise our family? And so that was in, like, five to seven years. And then in between five to seven years. And then we were planning to digital Nomad. We both have completely remote and, like, flexible jobs, and we kind of tried it out a little bit, and that's really tough to do as, like, an individual person, let alone working on a new marriage. And Garrett's, I won't speak for you, but he has been in Fredericksburg his entire life, and moving to a new city is a lot.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, well, that's what's funny, too. It's good that you clarified that, because a lot of people are commenting. They're like, he's in Fredericksburg. They're not together. And it's like, didn't you hear me say we're moving to Fredericksburg after the show? We gave no timeline for that, but it was always the goal to work our way towards that and to feel out doing some remote living lifestyle. And we talked about New York right away, and logistically, we moved down to Fredericksburg, and then we went and spent time in San Diego with our family for the holidays, and we were in. We spent, like, three weeks in San Diego, like La Jolla. We did two weeks in La Jolla, and then we did Costa Rica, and then we did Europe, and we were on the road a lot. And we're still talking about eventually, like, making this transition. And we talked about, well, let's go to New York in a little bit. Well, but the timing, and so it was all kind of, like, just evolving in a different way. And then eventually, yeah, the summer kind of, how you put it, was like, just started to feel a certain way. And I'm like, wait a minute. I told Taylor that I really was open to and excited about trying moving to San Diego eventually. But over the past six months or whatever it had been at the time, I'd spent more time away from my friends and family than I ever had before my entire life. And so it was an experience that was new to me, and I was still feeling. Sussing out my feelings. And as more time went on, I started to really feel something. I think it was on the way back from. From Europe, where we were gone for a month, and I was on the plane. I'm like, man, I'm. I'm like, I'm. I miss my family and friends. Like, this is really hard for me. And it was difficult to bring up the Taylor, but I brought up to her, like, two days after we got home or maybe the next day, and was like, hey, this is how I feel. And it was a hard conversation for us because, you know, Taylor all along, like, was like, I want to go to San Diego and that's where I want to be. And all of a sudden, her partner, who just agreed to marry, is telling her, hey, I don't know that, you know, I can do. So it's like, you know, dude just change his mind all of a sudden, like, what's going on here? And it was a. That was our biggest struggle this summer was working through that together and, you know, understanding. We still love each other, want to make this work, but, like, these are. These are real feelings that we're feeling and trying to understand them and communicate them at the same time. So.

[Taylor Crow]

But I do think that that's something a lot of couples deal with. I know Love is Blind tries to have people in the same city and kind of avoid not regionally having difficulties, because I think that's what happens on a lot of, like, for bachelor people, that they're not in the same city. And then you transition into this big relationship really quickly. Like, that's tough. But a lot of people aren't from the same place. So what does it look like to raise a family somewhere? Like, we don't know. But even though it was really hard for Garrett to tell me, he had to be honest so that we could figure out what a compromise looked like and how to move forward together.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I mean, that's. I'm glad you bring that up. You know, both the love is blind kind of logistical aspect of it, because, yeah, it seems like the city, the show does that. But to your point, the show can't predict the future or, you know, what your long term goals are both as individuals, and then what they become also as a couple. Then you start having kids and you ask yourself, well, yeah, maybe we live here now, Natalie and I, you know, we have our first daughter, and now we're having different conversations about what's the next five or 10 years, like, where do we want our kids to go to school? Is it here, is it somewhere else? And, you know, it can be a very scary thing, you know, especially when a couple agrees to something, and especially in your case where, like, you guys agreed to something that obviously you were very excited about, I imagine. And then all of a sudden, Garrett comes to you with a different idea. It can be a very triggering situation where it's just like, like you, like Garrick said, well, I thought we agreed to this. I thought you promised. And I'm curious how you processed all that, because that could have been a very diff like you said, it was difficult, but that could have been a very detrimental conversation for other couples because there's a lot of ways in that conversation to feel misled or abandoned where it's just like, well, I thought we made a decision. So like how did you work through that while he was approaching you with that honesty, while you were simultaneously trying to grapple with. I'm not going to get what I thought we agreed to.

[Taylor Crow]

It was tough. Like you only kind of see me talk about it in like a 15 minute kind of short and sweet thing. But it was, it was weeks of really difficult, hard conversations with not just like my husband, but with my parents, with my good friends. And there's lots of sleepless nights and tears and it wasn't easy. Um, I'm also luckily have a found a fantastic therapist that I've been working with for the past six months. And I think you can really decide at a certain point when you get married, is it for me or is this about a we? It's really hard to describe. And you guys probably know this becoming a unit and just deciding that whatever gets thrown your way, you're going to figure it out together and if you want to get through it together. And so I think going from being super single, like going on to love is blind to like the complete opposite. Like there is some whiplash associated with it. Like I know I gave you my non negotiables like going through it and it really hurt when you were honest with me, but I would way rather you have been honest with me than like, let's say like in three years you freak out and like you've been holding this in and we never really got the chance to figure it out together because like not to, I mean not to be like super deep, but like you can't predict what happens with life. You just want to find a partner that you like figure it out with. And that's kind of what after I grieved it and like figured it out with you and had a lot of difficult conversations and feelings. Like we, I think we got to the other side and like we're still definitely figuring it out.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I think I loved what you said at the reunion of just like, you know, to your parents, like, I love you guys, but Garrett is my home now. And like that's obviously how I feel about Nick. I think that's how a lot of people feel or should feel about their partner is like wherever you are in the world, like this is your home, this is your safe place. Was that A hard thing to tell your parents, or had you talked to them about it before?

[Taylor Crow]

It wasn't a hard thing to tell them. Like, I obviously clearly love my parents so much, and they're amazing people. Like, you can. I think that comes. I mean, I hope it comes to screen to you guys, but they've always been the kind of parents or, like, when I studied abroad, they're like, maybe you should live here. We'll come visit. Like, you should go do this thing. You should try this thing. And, like, wherever you are, like, there's no guilt. We want you to be your own person. And, like, obviously they have, like, you know, Fong especially, like, she's so excited to be a grandma someday. And she even told. She told me this when we were, like, dating. She's like, well, if you have kids in Fredericksburg, I'm. I'm agreeing to come there once a month. I was like, no one made you. Like, Tom always.

[Garrett Taylor]

He's like, phone's going to be out there on a plane once a month to see you guys. We all have kids. And he keeps hitting me with this. Like, that's.

[Natalie]

I mean, that's like, I'm not going to.

[Taylor Crow]

But she.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, right. He know. He's definitely not saying he's going to do it.

[Nick Viall]

Well, as your dad loves to point out. And I loved how you said it was his favorite joke.

[Taylor Crow]

But.

[Nick Viall]

But he clearly has a lot of money saved up for the wedding he didn't have to afford, so now he can just buy play tickets.

[Garrett Taylor]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

I love that you said that. Like, it's his favorite joke. And I imagine every time it comes up, he tells that.

[Garrett Taylor]

His favorite joke before this was, he's got a T shirt that says John Hopkins University. He's like, this is my, like, $100,000 T shirt. Whatever he says.

[Nick Viall]

That'S funny.

[Taylor Crow]

I think we're excited to do a second wedding at some point. Like, it. It's a lot to plan a wedding, so. And, like, my. My parents are really excited. Like, a wedding can be. You guys probably know this. Like, it's for the family, too, in some ways. I know it's. It. It differs for people, but he's. He's probably going to spend some money at some point. Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Before we get into wedding planning, though, like, I just want to touch on this DC thing one more time. Like, Taylor and I. One thing over the summer when we had this first conversation, we're, like, both looking at this and like, well, shit, like, I want to be in San Diego and you want to be on the east coast, like, this seems irreconcilable at. At first glance, but we spent more time and, like, talking through it and working through it. And I mean, ultimately what we decided was, like, we love each other. We want to make this work. So, like, what's a good compromise? And Taylor was like, maybe D.C. i could see because it's familiar and she has friends there and it's, you know, it's better than Fredericksburg, at least in terms of things to do. Right. And so she's like, well, maybe I could see D.C. and so we sat on that and worked through it, and it is a easier transition for me, and it's not as big of a leap. And who knows what happens. Like you mentioned, like, what do we want to do in five years? What do we want to be? You don't know. And that, I think, was hard for me and possibly Taylor as well, is like, I like to know where things are going and, like, I like to have a clear picture, and you don't have that. I just know that I want to be with Taylor and that was good enough for me.

[Natalie]

Me.

[Garrett Taylor]

So I'm happy with DC work. Very excited about it. We've been talking about it non stop, like, excited to figure out where we want to be in D.C. and start a life there and see where it.

[Nick Viall]

Takes us, because, like, who knows, you know?

[Garrett Taylor]

Exactly.

[Taylor Crow]

I didn't think we'd be here a year ago.

[Garrett Taylor]

Not the bio file.

[Taylor Crow]

No, no. Very, very.

[Natalie]

That is crazy.

[Nick Viall]

So you guys have been married for how long now?

[Taylor Crow]

A little under a year. November 13th is our one year.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, we've got. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What is it like to try to, you know, start a marriage and. And protect that marriage, all while trying to also protect the show that you're on and hide it from the real world?

[Taylor Crow]

Well, I wore, like, a mustache everywhere I went.

[Garrett Taylor]

Well, I like that, though. I wanted that.

[Natalie]

You wanted to keep that fetish.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh, you saw the mustache.

[Taylor Crow]

We saw the mustache and I donated.

[Nick Viall]

My Natalie was like, we dig the mustache.

[Natalie]

I thought it looked like she pulls off the mustache.

[Nick Viall]

I appreciate it.

[Natalie]

It's a rare thing for a man to pull off. And I honestly looked at Nick and I'm like, your turn.

[Nick Viall]

It made you not to bring up celebrity doppelgangers on Love is Blind because we know that's a big.

[Taylor Crow]

That's a no. No.

[Nick Viall]

But you're out of the pods now.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You're both hot. So it's fine. It kind of gives Chris Evans with.

[Garrett Taylor]

A mustache I get the Chris Evans thing, like, a lot.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

I've never seen him with a mustache. Does he have one?

[Nick Viall]

A couple movies.

[Taylor Crow]

Is that what Tim called you? A middle class?

[Garrett Taylor]

Lower class? No, no, it wasn't.

[Natalie]

Captain America.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Nick Viall]

When I was the Bachelor, I was commonly referred to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds.

[Garrett Taylor]

I got Walmart Glenn Powell. I was like, walmart.

[Nick Viall]

I see. Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

Can we get.

[Nick Viall]

Can we get Target? That's great. Because if had. Chelsea said on the Walmart. Megan Fox, everyone. No, she didn't. She just said.

[Garrett Taylor]

She said. She said the Walmart. Yeah, no, she said.

[Nick Viall]

That's a good qualifier. Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

For the record, we filmed before that season came out, so we didn't even know. There is no, like, don't talk about.

[Garrett Taylor]

I. Taylor was running around the pods. Cornerstone. I'm just kidding.

[Natalie]

Well, when Nick and I met Ryan Reynolds at People's Choice Awards, Nick said I, you know, was referred to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds. And he was like, listen, Walmart is a great establishment.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it's a great.

[Garrett Taylor]

I said, there's good value there.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. Taylor's like, we got to work on.

[Nick Viall]

Your PR at the reunion, Taylor graciously gave you most of the credit for your glow up. While we all thought this was a direct result of you being a married man and having the.

[Natalie]

The woman's touch.

[Nick Viall]

The woman's touch. Because you're giving woman's touch.

[Garrett Taylor]

She's wearing my clothes right now.

[Nick Viall]

All right, fine. Then wait. Explain. Explain the military haircut that you chose to go in with. Love is blonde.

[Garrett Taylor]

You watched the first episode. All I said was, from the start, I have been single for six and a half years. I put zero effort into meeting anybody. That's what that look was. But I have always had a latent interest in like, fashion and more oddly, textiles.

[Natalie]

Why did. Why did it take you so long to explain. Explore that avenue of fashion?

[Nick Viall]

Did she give you permission?

[Garrett Taylor]

Because I was extremely. I was. I was very fulfilled by fishing and spearfishing and work. And then it's like, you know, passions and interests, they take time. They're time consuming. And like, I was like out of time and marrying Taylor and being with extremely fashionable and beautiful person. I'm like, I would love to explore that side of myself now. And actually, you know, she. And so this is what I did say. I think I hopefully it came off. But like, Taylor more so inspired me to explore that side of myself and want to be more presentable and aesthetically pleasing and fashionable and it's just fun to go to events and like dress up and with your partner.

[Taylor Crow]

But if you're going, not all guys think that's fun.

[Garrett Taylor]

And if you're dressing up and your partner's dressing down, you feel kind of like, man. So, you know, I want to also, like, be there. But I promise you, Taylor's never said anything besides the hair comment. Never said anything about my looks.

[Taylor Crow]

Never once said I didn't like you.

[Garrett Taylor]

And we could strike that from the record because if she didn't say that, which hair?

[Nick Viall]

The hair. It was like, it was terrible.

[Garrett Taylor]

Nick.

[Nick Viall]

I say this as a, as a middle aged man who like still has his hair but is very like, it could go any day. You never really know. And like, you have a beautiful head of hair and I think it's disrespectful to men and hair for you to be able to grow that and, and show what you showed on television.

[Garrett Taylor]

Dude, I don't like, I just never. I'm like, ah, it takes time. It takes time. And I've always only had a buzz cut. It's like the longest my hair's ever been. And the buzz cut is one thing.

[Nick Viall]

You had the military crew cut.

[Taylor Crow]

At the reveal, I almost was like, are you actually in the military?

[Nick Viall]

Honestly?

[Garrett Taylor]

And I got that a lot. And I never get it now.

[Taylor Crow]

Say that.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it felt like, it felt like y'all were out somewhere and you saw this like wild cool T shirt and you were like, this is kind of cool. And Taylor was like, oh, yeah, it is. And you were like, really? And it like gave you the permission to like lean in.

[Garrett Taylor]

It never does anything like that though. That's a beautiful thing. Taylor, if I still sat here, looked like crap, which, I mean, you know, I'm offended by prior self. Thank you. Finally someone said it.

[Ashley]

Nick.

[Natalie]

It was a choice, but you look.

[Nick Viall]

Like you didn't care.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, it's true. And I did put no energy into it. I wore like, I wore very particular clothes that you can't. Doesn't come off on camera. But I didn't really care about putting together to look good because I wasn't trying to attract anybody. But no Taylor. That's the beautiful thing about Taylor is like, she, she doesn't care. Like if I didn't like dress any certain way, she's like, she wouldn't push me in that direction. She wouldn't feel bad. She was like, I love you as you are. You're beautiful, handsome, like all these things. Taylor's great, but I'm just glad that now I'm sure she secretly does, like, appreciate that I dress up a little.

[Natalie]

No, listen, I love it.

[Garrett Taylor]

She doesn't verbalize it at all.

[Natalie]

Interesting. I definitely do. I feel like when I finally got to that point with Nick, it was like, why don't we, like, throw out the skinny jeans? It could be fun to maybe go.

[Ashley]

Like, a baggier look.

[Natalie]

I don't know.

[Garrett Taylor]

What's weird is, though, people jump on you. I've seen people hit the reunion fit, and they're like, oh, those pants are like. They're baggy. They're loose, fitted. But it's like in my reveal pic or whatever at the beginning, they're like, his pants are too tall. Come on, now.

[Nick Viall]

You gotta understand something about. Reality TV is loved by middle America. And while, you know, like, rock stars, for example, they appreciate a fashion choice, but when it comes to reality tv, they don't. The people watching you don't appreciate risk taking of any kind.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

You know, giving pumpkin spice.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, they're just. I mean, listen, they're looking to shit on you and rip on you, and when you. When you. When you make bold choices, you're. You're just giving them.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So good on you for not listening to them.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, I love it.

[Taylor Crow]

And I mean, also, it was interesting in the pods, like, I just come back from New York Fashion Week, and Garrett was like, I'd love to go to New York Fashion Week. And I was like, really? And then you started. I was like, there's an actor over there. He does physics.

[Garrett Taylor]

She's like, he was.

[Taylor Crow]

He loves his family and he likes fashion. And, like, I was like, my God, that's crazy. And you described this. This jacket you were wearing for, like, 20 minutes.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh, my God. The date ended. I was describing Shashiko fabric to her.

[Taylor Crow]

And I was like, they normally give.

[Garrett Taylor]

You a heads up. And I went long and, like, the date ended. I was like, oh, my God, what an idiot.

[Taylor Crow]

No, there was like a. There was like a. They're like a minute left, and Garrett's, like, still going off. And then this year, you know, ironically, you got invited to model in New York Fashion Week, and I went with him and was like, the little Instagram one.

[Nick Viall]

This is before you were famous?

[Garrett Taylor]

No. Yeah. The relationship has been, like, over a year in the making.

[Nick Viall]

People just saw your face.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, no, I. No, no, no. I followed this guy, so. No. Yeah, no, I followed this guy since before the show. And he's like. He does upcycling, like, with really old textiles that have, like, a Great story behind them. He goes and he seeks out, like, old textiles from Turkey and stuff. Like, the first piece he made for me was this Anatolian, like, cert blanket made from mohair, which is type of sheep wool that he turned into this really badass, like, bomber jacket. And I went to. So he's in San Diego, naturally. I was in San Diego last year. So I hit him up and he's like, yeah, come. And I was like, because they're expensive. And I was like, let me see what these textiles are. And it's really interesting. And to meet another guy who's interested, like, fabrics and different types of weaves and stuff. It's like, it's very unique. So we hit it off right away, and I bought a piece from him and then asked him if he'd be interested in doing a reunion fit. And we stayed in touch. I visited him, like, two more times, and he was like, hey, you want to come model for me in Fashion Week? And I was like, you mean like. Like this? You seen this? And he was like, dude, yeah, 100%. Let's do it. So I was like, okay. I was super nervous, but you're very handsome.

[Taylor Crow]

Just say thank you.

[Garrett Taylor]

Thanks, Nick.

[Taylor Crow]

Just say thank you.

[Nick Viall]

I've made it very clear, as much as I love this show, I'm shallow and superficial and love not blind. For me, Like, I couldn't do that. Like, the curtains would go up and I'd probably be like, no, that's a.

[Garrett Taylor]

Compliment, by the way. Natalie.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, I just. But you both must have. Despite the crew cut, you both have must have been like, fuck, yes. Because you're both very attractive people and it really seems like you guys fit. And that must have been a really nice cherry on top. No, I mean, no.

[Taylor Crow]

I mean, to be completely honest, Garrett and I were not attracted to each other at first.

[Nick Viall]

What?

[Taylor Crow]

Like, we. We were, like, really in. I think we were really in love with each other. Yeah, Well, I think it's not because I didn't think he was a good looking guy, and it's not because he didn't think I was a good looking person. It's because your brain just explodes when you do the reveal. Like, I can't describe the simulation that we were in, in a good way. But, like, for 10 days of, like, falling in love with someone by just talking about things, and then you don't really build up an image in your mind. And then the doors open and there's like 70 cameras on you. Like, you're excited and your Adrenaline's rushing and, like. But you're still kind of like, what just happened to me? But then, like, we got to Cabo together and had. You can put the. Your face. Their voice is still trying to be a part of their face.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

And so. And then in Cabo, I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's really hot. Like, I'm more comfortable. I can. This is the person on the other side. I. It's really hard to describe.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, everyone that, like, goes through that experience and has this reveal, the viewers will never appreciate it. They will never appreciate it. You, like, I, in particular, like, I was melting down. Like, I was freaking. I was. My nerves were in a million pieces, and it was horrible. But the reveal, you know, the reel comes and you see Taylor and you're like. You're just like, oh, hi. And you're beautiful. And, like, all this and that. And then you don't know what you get out of there, and you're just, like, kind of in a days, and you're like, what happened? Like, I don't even remember. She looks like. And this is everybody, so don't anyone fool you. And then you get the Cabo, and that's where, like, really, you're like, all right, am I attracted to this person? And, yeah, like, right away, you know, when I get the cowboy, I'm like, God, what was I freaking thinking? Like, this is crazy. Like, I'm in love.

[Nick Viall]

I suppose when you. When you say it like that, you're right, because if you. If cameras weren't on you and you have to worry about that, you'd probably just like, awkwardly and weirdly, like, stare at each other and look each other up and down and really analyze who they are and what they look like. But you can't do that.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Because that would. Awkward.

[Taylor Crow]

Kissing you is really great.

[Garrett Taylor]

That was great.

[Taylor Crow]

You're really great kissing.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'm not going to lie. Yeah. I was definitely trying to just kill the awkwardness with kisses, you know?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

What do I do?

[Natalie]

I think that's what I mean. We heard Britney and Leo kind of talk about this whole aspect of it as well, and her being like, I wish honestly that I would have kissed him more because I was just saying the most crazy shit.

[Garrett Taylor]

It's so weird. You can't recreate that moment ever again.

[Taylor Crow]

You're like, should we talk about finances or how many kids you want right now?

[Natalie]

This is the time.

[Garrett Taylor]

So how do you spell that?

[Nick Viall]

This entire cast was pretty open about sex, and you guys kind of getting Physical fairly quickly. I'm not. I don't remember exactly when you guys talked about it, but given how intense the reveal is. And you guys, like you said, described not even remembering what each other looked like. Like, what conversations did you have about intimacy in Cabo once you, like, started being alone? And was that, like, was it just more you guys got drunk and it happened, or what did you guys talk it through? Like, what was that like?

[Garrett Taylor]

I mean, honestly, that those conversations started in the pods, but Taylor and I didn't want to talk about it in public. Like, I mean, there were several things we agreed. We agreed not to talk about, like, family trauma and, like, sex stuff. And this is day two. I think they have you talking about sex. So, like, we were, like, very hesitant to do that. And Taylor came up with the great idea to let's just write notes to one another and, like, kind of, like, do it in that way, because we wanted to still see about compatibility and still connect with someone. I mean, you're at risk of, like, losing this person if you don't connect with them at a deeper level. So that's what we decided to do. And we've always been very, like, kind of careful about how we talk about it on camera, because it's just. It's a private thing.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, it's. It's also, like, besides, like, my mom texting me on the way to dropping me off at, like, the train station to go to the pod, she's like, no shower scenes, but I was just like, damn it.

[Natalie]

That's like, the first thing on your note to her is like, I love showers.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel about showers on camera.

[Taylor Crow]

And I felt like there is something wrong with me because, like, you're in Cabo and everyone's talking about, like, what they're doing in the bedroom, and, like, it's obviously an important part of a relationship, especially to, like, get married, for sure. But I just. I never got there that I was comfortable talking about on camera, and, like, that's okay. Like, there's other people that are totally fine, like, sharing that. I just. I knew I was gonna be watching this with my parents, and I actually have to be with them for forever. So compared to this show, and I didn't.

[Garrett Taylor]

I didn't feel any type of way about it, you know, because you do worry about that, guys, like, because, I mean, when you're with your boys, that's kind of like, what is like, you know, you just. It's kind of locker room talk kind of stuff, and that's the beauty of this experience, it, like, gets you out of that. That groove.

[Nick Viall]

But.

[Garrett Taylor]

But these guys are even cool with it. Like, Nick was even talking about it, too, which, you know, it was kind of a shock to the viewers. It's like, he doesn't want to talk about sex. I don't care. You know, but we did talk about it because you're hanging out kind of before you do see your person in Cabo with the boys a little bit, and we both, like, say, I don't really want to. You know, I just. It's not. I don't want that to be our story. You know, I don't want that to be kind of like our brand, so.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that makes. That makes a lot of sense. So is it good? No, I'm just kidding.

[Natalie]

So do you want to talk about it now?

[Garrett Taylor]

Well, no, she did. She did make a comment, though, on the air. I mean, there were some. There were some fun moments. No, not that one.

[Nick Viall]

Who knows?

[Garrett Taylor]

No, the chemistry grade.

[Taylor Crow]

Oh, yeah. I was like, Gary, physical chemistry.

[Garrett Taylor]

But we were pushing back.

[Natalie]

Very pg.

[Taylor Crow]

Very pg.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Nice little science fun. Nick of Vanessa. Appreciate it. No, we really tried to push back on that because they're pushing it. They want to know, and they try to make it sound. There's value in this. And it's like, well, yeah, but that's between us. We got that.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I thought it was really interesting, specifically this season, and you look at just other couples like Marissa and Ramses, and it. It almost seemed like sex was maybe a reason that destroyed the connection that they had, because it almost seemed like their relationship, at least the way they talked about it, was so hot and heavy early on and almost as if their relationship became more about their physical connection. And then every other conversation kind of seemed centered around that, and it seemed to be a big reason why they ultimately didn't work out. So it kind of. It can cut both ways where, you know.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, I. I honestly don't have a ton of visibility into, like, the, like, everything that happened and all the conversations between Marissa and Ramses, but.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, no, no, I think you're. It's obviously what was focused on, but they're having a ton of other conversations besides that, so who knows what percentage. But I know, you know, it didn't seem like that was ultimately, like, what broke them off. I don't know. It's hard to tell. Taylor and I were so focused on each other, honestly, throughout the whole thing that, like, you have very little time to talk to anybody else. I know I talked to Tyler quite a bit, and I talked to Tim, but outside of that, like, I didn't really talk to anybody else because I'm so focused. You know, I wasn't going out, I wasn't doing anything. I was working, working out and hanging out with Taylor and getting to know Taylor and seeing if I'm going to marry this person that was. Those are, like, my three priorities, this entire thing.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. And I think just, like, to his point that, like, your physical connection with someone is something that you could have a focus on, and it could be too much of a focus to the point that, like, you're not getting to the things that you absolutely need to get to the end of this. And, like, I do think that the physicality is important, but I think it comes, like, it's even better when you kind of get all those other fundamentals in line first.

[Nick Viall]

It can make it harder for two people to remain objective about their feelings. You know, sex affects your body chemistry, men and women, differently. And this is, again, we know it's a TV show, it can be edited, but this is the impression I got was just their relationship was very physical. And then here's Marissa, seemingly just head over heels for this man, seemingly ignoring what looks like a bunch of red flags. And it kind of gave, like, she just was so into him and the chemistry that she couldn't see the forest through the trees. Meanwhile, a lot of their disconnect seemed to be around that. So, you know, it's just interesting how sex can play a role. And two people, in terms of how you guys decided to approach that, at least it seemed like you were allowed to remain objective, because that's what I really enjoyed, watching you two fall in love in the pods. I found you guys really interesting because of how trans person and how much you guys described your feelings. And just every step along the way, you two brought us kind of into the relationship, it felt like, which was really enjoyable. And I think that was kind of new for couples who start in love and finish in love on that show.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, I mean, it was really special to watch your love story back. And Garrett and I are such logical people with very technical jobs. And we went in with, like, Maybe there's a 1% chance my person is here. And then to have these, like, feelings that are, like, kind of indescribable, having to do that in a visual medium, like, I think was just kind of how it all played out. Like, you know, Garrett saying, every molecule of my body. And I was like, oh, my God, we're so nerdy.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, that was off the dome, for the record.

[Natalie]

Off the dome, nerd. We watched for the most part, y'all were very drama free. We did see one fight play out on screens. We were very, Nick and I, I think, were very understanding of the route you took to go about this information. I think.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I understood your lie.

[Garrett Taylor]

That's more than I could say for myself.

[Nick Viall]

I don't, I'm, I, I'm, I'm not condoning it, but I, like from a logic, I can be logical.

[Garrett Taylor]

Well, no, it wasn't a lie, though. That's the thing.

[Nick Viall]

No omission.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, no, I swear, like, this is what I'm saying. Like, and I'd love to clear this up, but this is not how this went down. And I didn't approach it the right way because Taylor and I, up to this point, we were so connected walking through this entire experiment that the only way that we felt like we were going to get to the end is if our communication was extremely upfront, quick and heavy. And we always talked about things and we even make it a point to if something was really heavy, you bring it up off camera and we'll handle this together. Because our goal wasn't to make a TV show. Our goal was to figure out if we're going to get married or not. So that was our primary focus, was each other. And the only way you're going to do that is if you communicate early and often. And this was the first instance where I didn't do that. I received a text early in the morning. Taylor was still asleep. I was getting up before and going to work. I saw the text and I was like, it was something very harmless that this ex, who we haven't been romantically involved in a long time, but you still eventually send little cute videos or whatever of her niece. And so that's all it was, harmless and responded and then moved on. And then was like, I'll bring this up to Taylor later. You're also. It's a very chaotic context of like, I'm working all day less than I usually normally do, so I have to squeeze a lot in. And then you immediately go into filming the cameras on your face. And so I didn't stop and think to bring this to Taylor in the middle of the day. That's where I made my biggest mistake, was to bring this to Taylor sooner and let us work through this. So then we fast forward to the party and we're sitting there at a bar right before the party and we're just waiting to go in. And I took a picture of Taylor's hands and on the shot, I still have the picture, but I was like, I'm posted to my story. Taylor said, soft launch. Like, oh, yeah. And that's where it triggered. I was like, oh yeah, this is good to help keep the wolves at bay. And I mentioned to her that next to texting me and all of a sudden, like her, she started to react like, well, what was it? You know? And so then, so then it became. I saw it quickly was, it was like, oh, shoot, this was a huge miss on my part. Like, this is a big deal. And I didn't think about it because I thought it was very benign and not important. Again, out of relationship for six and a half years. I'm not thinking about these kinds of things. And it didn't mean anything to me. So I.

[Nick Viall]

You were broken with this person for six and a half years.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. So it didn't mean anything to me. Right. And so I didn't think about it, you know, think about it after obviously short. So I wasn't thinking about the details when I told her what happened. I truly wasn't thinking about all what happened. Let's. Let's walk through it, let's open it up, show the phone all this stuff. And immediately, like we talked about it and like I shut it down and responded like, hey, I'm in a relationship. All this stuff. And that's what you see play out the rest of the night. And then, yeah, when I get in front of Ashley and Tyler, like I say, yeah, and I responded. She's like, wait a minute, you responded? I'm like, wait, didn't I say that? I thought I said that. You know, it wasn't an omission. And I promise you and Taylor. Had I been truly lying to Taylor? But I get your perspective because people have said that, they're like, well, he lied to like because he thought it wasn't a big deal, whatever, to keep it calm. But I truly didn't intentionally deceive Taylor in any way that makes sense.

[Nick Viall]

And I don't even mean it meant like you did. It was more like, I just feel like sometimes in those moments you receive a text or something and you can have the absolute best of intentions, like it seems like you did in a high pressure environment or a triggering situation that you could be sensitive to. It's like sometimes you're just like, what is the absolute best way to do this? And just knowing it could be triggering things can snowball and it's just like, it was more like that where it could have been. Felt like it was something like that, where even though, whether you meant to or not, it seemed like you had the best of intentions. And I think sometimes in those situations, like, I just understood that where, like, you might have to apologize for not handling the best the way that you could have. I never, as a viewer stopped trusting your character in that situation because I, you know, I just feel like, I don't know, you could just kind of tell.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it did come off shady. It came off like, this is a bad time to tell you something, but I do. We do need to have this conversation. But we, like, we're about to walk into a party. There's cameras, there's, like, we know what we're doing.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'm such an idiot.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, you're. We're flying San Diego, 6am the next day. And, like, I'd kind of put an artificial timeline. Not artificial, but a different timeline of not just getting to the altar, but I didn't want you to meet my parents and ask my dad for my hand in marriage if I wasn't sure. And so having to figure that out super quickly. And so I knew that you were a great guy. And I. I know my gut told me you weren't lying to me, but the facts at the time, like, like, we're really tough as a person who's, like, a collection of human experiences of, like, dating people that haven't worked out and being with guys that have lied to me and have cheated on me, and you're seeing all these relationships fall apart around you. And so it was tough. But I. I know that you weren't lying to me. And we got through it. And seriously, like, never even think about it.

[Nick Viall]

How did you put that to bed, that whole her reaching out, or. Did you ever hear from her again?

[Garrett Taylor]

No. And that's the thing. Like, yeah, it wasn't. It was nothing. So I responded, like, the whole shutdown text, and then I blocked her and just made it all clear and was like, I just want to. I want to make this really clear. Like, I have no interest in this person. Right. Like, let's. Let's put it to bed. And we really, honestly, we haven't even talked about it since that day. Until the show started coming out. People started saying things and people are attacking my character and stuff. Like, that's when we started actually, like, talking about it. But I, like, I totally understand Taylor's reaction. I defended her all along because, you know, you're getting asked Too. Like, do you think she overreacted? I'm like, hell, no. Like, this is. This is a really tight timeline, and you're walking a tightrope to the altar, and any one little thing that comes up to, like, knock you down, you feel like your whole world's crashing down. You have to put all trust in this partner. If anything shows that it's, like, kind of smells out of character, you're questioning everything for sure.

[Nick Viall]

Don't you think it's kind of a coincidence that she reached out after six and a half years?

[Garrett Taylor]

Well, no, we had, like, I said, like, she still would send, like, occasional messages, but they're very few and far between.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, it was. But, yeah, I didn't, like, reach out and, like, say, hey, by the way, like, heads up.

[Taylor Crow]

So I always say, we're getting married.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. So, you know, you. It would have been nice. Like, hey, by the way, like, I hope you're good like this. This is gonna come out. This may be. People may reach out to you.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, you're not just, like, in a relationship. Like, you've done a show.

[Nick Viall]

It's.

[Natalie]

You're gonna be, like, a celebrity. You're married. You. Like, it's. Yeah. There is definitely more to a story.

[Taylor Crow]

And I feel bad for her. Like, I genuinely. If I were in her position, I'd be crushed. And, like, I never wanted you to tell her to fuck off or, like, make her feel worse. It's an anomalous, incredible situation that we're in. And, like, clearly, like, she still had hope that you guys would still be together. And so, yeah, I do feel bad.

[Natalie]

Listen, everyone has exes. Everyone at some point has to move on. I personally don't think it's that deep. I think, like, watching it, I appreciate this context that you're giving, because I think watching it, it just came off to me very much just like, this is a bad time, but I want to tell you something. And then, like, you got kind of caught up and everything. It didn't come off shady to me whatsoever, so. But I am very glad to hear this context. Should we jump to reunion?

[Nick Viall]

Sure, sure.

[Taylor Crow]

Okay.

[Natalie]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Natalie]

It says, hey, mom, I've been asleep for an hour and 24 minutes.

[Nick Viall]

And then, you know, Exactly.

[Natalie]

They also have a video log history, so I'm able to kind of go back and look at river throughout the night, see if she, like, woke up, what she did when she woke up sometimes.

[Nick Viall]

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[Natalie]

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[Natalie]

Reunion was a little crazy.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, I blocked out.

[Nick Viall]

You guys weren't crazy.

[Garrett Taylor]

I liked that for five hours, just.

[Taylor Crow]

Like, this is being Garrett.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it was a lot of.

[Garrett Taylor]

It's frustrating because you go up first, you go up front, like, you ask you questions, and then you sit there forever and just. You're just emotionally exhausted at this point. You're like, holy cow. And then they ask you questions again. You're like, God dang it, yes, we're still alive.

[Taylor Crow]

I know. I wish I was like, can we take five before I, like, share our happy stories? And I can do some jumping jacks or something. I need to breathe.

[Natalie]

What do you think caught the two of you off guard most between, I guess, the Hannah and Nick of it all. The Ramses, Marissa, was it Nancy calling Steven out saying, we want to hear the text. Like, what do you think caught you off guard the most?

[Taylor Crow]

Marissa and Ramses, like, caught me off guard just because I thought they were. You have a year to talk about this stuff with your ex and, like, hash it out. And. And I thought they were on. On really good terms going into that, so I was pretty. But it's fresh, right? I don't blame Marissa for maybe feeling like we just watched this in a hotel room by herself. And I cried. I cried. I bawled my Eyes out. Like, that was rough. And to have to relive and process that.

[Nick Viall]

But then, like, yeah, it's a weird feeling.

[Taylor Crow]

It's a weird feeling. So, yeah, that. I think that really surprised me.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. The. Cause I'm friends with Ramses, and so talking to him about it, he's like, yeah, we've been talking for a year and we feel good. And we're like, we're, you know, kind of frustrated with maybe how it's portrayed or how people are receiving it. And so let's. We're going in this together. So it sounded very unified, and then it didn't play out that way. And you're like, whoa, what's happening here? But to Taylor's point, it's understandable because it is really fresh. You did just watch it for the first time and you're like, this. It's heavy. It's heavy. As everyone saw during the reunion, you.

[Nick Viall]

Made a comment, Garrett, where you were like, during the Nick D and Hannah feud, and you were like, this is so annoying. I don't know what you said.

[Natalie]

This is immature. And I'm waiting, waiting for. I'm counting down the second.

[Nick Viall]

And I really. I really agreed with you there, dude. I'm like.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'm telling you what? Like, I was squirming in my seat. Like, I wish I'd have said more to the context of, like, I feel like we're throwing stones in glass houses. This is like a ridiculous. But I couldn't. I could hardly get anything out. My nerves were so worked up, like. And I was just telling her, I was like, kind of like, I don't want to say too much.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. Because it's like, if you say something, I felt like, you know, Hannah was trying to get you involved and, like, we're not going to solve anything here.

[Garrett Taylor]

Like, I don't think your time to solve this was months ago, not here now. Like, it just seems ridiculous.

[Nick Viall]

I was bummed for Hannah because, you know, we had a brief conversation with her and, you know, she was like, yeah, no, like, she said early in the reunion, I can improve my tact and my timing and my delivery and all those things. And then at the reunion, you know, Nick said this very gracious thing where he wanted to defend Hannah. And then all of a sudden, she. It seemed like she used that as what she was hoping is, like, a Nick take down. It felt like. And it just like her friends going through his journal or whatever that was.

[Taylor Crow]

We really glossed over. That didn't we.

[Nick Viall]

It felt really icky.

[Natalie]

I mean, it was just like, yeah, we were at the house, and my friends were like, let's go through stuff. And then we read that, like, he wants to be the most famous guy on Love is Blind.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, okay, so what my stance is, is if you go on a reality TV show and then you. I don't care what your intentions are or why you go, but if you have an active social media and you are benefiting from the fame that you have, you don't get to accuse other people of going on for fame. Like, you all went on with, I'm guessing, a million different reasons. It seems like you guys were open to love. You said even yourself, you thought maybe there was a 1% chance you'd meet your person. Right. So, like, does that mean you guys went in for fame? Of course not. Right? You were open to the experience. It always feels really icky when people, like, use these tropes of reality TV to try to publicly take someone down. And honestly, like, of all the talking Hannah did about working on herself in growth, it really felt like she completely ruined that for herself in that moment to try to. She came across, honestly to me, a little petty, a little vindictive. And honestly, Marissa, I didn't mind because Marissa seems like they're friends. She has her feelings about how things went down with Ramses. So to me, it was like, she's having her girls back. So I didn't really mind Marissa getting involved. I was really disappointed in Hannah. Yeah, it just seemed like you. You kind of were aligned.

[Garrett Taylor]

I mean, this. This is what I will say. The Internet's mean, and she probably got a ton of back for how she acted on the show. And she sounds like she understands that, whether she's working or not.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know if she does, because how can you do. How can you understand that and then try to get the same thing to happen to Nick?

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. I think that this pressure makes you do crazy things, and. And maybe that's what explains it, but.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, I don't want to make excuses for Hannah. I feel like it was an opportunity to just try to clear the slate. And, like, I feel like Nick made an honest effort to do that, and I never. I don't think I started out in knowing Nick D. And being like, I'm gonna feel really sorry for this guy at the end of it. And I do.

[Garrett Taylor]

I tried to tell him.

[Taylor Crow]

And so, yeah, I do feel like it was a missed opportunity for Hannah, but I also have to, like, Applaud her for sticking to who she is. And she doubled down like, she certainly did.

[Nick Viall]

Didn't she tell him to shut up at some point?

[Taylor Crow]

There was a.

[Natalie]

There was a. I'm speaking.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, okay, I guess, same old Hannah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Cool. You could have done something different that moment, that I think would have been much better.

[Natalie]

But, yeah, we'll never know if Nick D. Made the comments about Hannah that she is accusing him of saying. I know. It finally got to a point where Ramses kind of started to be like, nick, you gotta start. You gotta take accountability.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. But honestly, that makes me really upset because even if Nick said those things, does that justify or make it any better to belittle a person like that over and over and over again on national television? I don't think so. I think that, like, you trying to dig up this one thing that justifies your behavior doesn't solve anything.

[Garrett Taylor]

It's like this backwards justification. But like I said, it's very stones and glass houses. To me, it's like, this is. Seems very, you know, I mean, you can question anybody's judgment. You can do the whole thing. Like, well, you weren't here for the right reasons. You know, you can say that about anybody and it just falls flat because you don't know. But yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

And if a girl did it to a guy or a guy did it to a girl, vice versa, it would be way. I feel like it'd be taken way worse.

[Nick Viall]

Like, oh, man.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh, 100%.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

And I'll tell you about Nick. Like, did he say things right after, like, the first reveal of, like, that, like, I wasn't really attracted to her. I mean, Taylor and I just admitted we weren't sure right after first reveal. Right. This is a normal thing. That moment on. I've, like, every time I talked to Nick privately, it was very. He was. He seemed. He was very convincing. Like, he seemed like he was in. We're talking privately off camera, like, bro talk. And you know how Nick talks. Like, he even have no problems saying his truth. And he always said nice things.

[Nick Viall]

Exactly. And reading between the lines, reading between the lines of that whole drama, it felt like whatever Nick's allegedly said, he said it off camera in the privacy of these guys. Probably egging him on or just asking what he really thinks. And then he says something again, regardless of what he said. But, like, it's like Hannah and Marissa and Ramses and everyone else were just trying to egg him on. Admit you said this. And it's just like, well, why would you Want him to admit something that would be cruel to public.

[Garrett Taylor]

You're the one bringing this out.

[Nick Viall]

It's contradictory of, like, what you're trying to accomplish here just so you can take the guy down. And to do what? So that you can share in the criticism that you're receiving. It just. It just felt really icky and gross. And clearly, Nick was trying to be the polite guy. I mean, it is love is blind, the show. And so part of the fascination of the show is while you two didn't care, some people do. Some people like myself. If I agreed to go on the show, I honestly wonder how I would handle that reveal and what I would put myself.

[Ashley]

I don't think.

[Taylor Crow]

Well.

[Nick Viall]

You know, but, like, Nick, it's like, you could tell during the reunion, Nick was just like, the wolves would have come for him, you know? And then you have Hannah who had this glow up. It just felt really icky what they were trying to do to him.

[Taylor Crow]

And, yeah, like, you look beautiful. Like, you do. People are dying to see your fun side. And, like, there is a lot of opportunities to come. Just, like, take the roses and leave the thorns.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

I don't know, but I feel like.

[Natalie]

I can speak for all of us when we say, like, saying negative things about anyone is not okay. You know, I think her trying to bring that up, and I do. They did show Marissa saying, I think you need to say it. So it was obviously something they had talked about. It was like, I don't know if I'll bring it up. Maybe I should. Maybe I shouldn't. You know, Marissa was like, I think you should. And it felt very much like I've been getting a lot of hate, and now I think you need to get a lot of hate, which is icky.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

At the end of the day, thinking about the reunion, it is something that if I had to face a tumultuous ex after this really big thing that we did in a very public way, like, in the Internet's way, thousands and millions of people are weighing in on your relationship and who you are. Like, I can't throw stones from a glass house. Like, it's. It's fucking tough to go up there. And you work that up in your mind for a year and get up there and you're like, this is my 10 minutes. And, like, the last biggest platform I'll have to, like, speak my truth. Like, that's a tough thing to balance, too. But I do. I do agree that, like, trying to throw more hate at Nick was not going to. I don't think it was going to make you, hopefully not feel better, but we weren't there.

[Garrett Taylor]

Like, we weren't there in all their conversation stuff. Hannah was obviously frustrated about their relationship, and so I will give her credit. Like, I don't know what she was going through. Maybe he was saying things, but he wasn't doing. I don't know. I genuinely don't. And I'm trusting that. My thing is, is you had an entire year to resolve whatever it is, and this goes for everybody up there. You have an entire year to resolve this stuff. If you truly were cared about growth and understanding that what you would not avoid until the reunion to try to, like, air stuff out, I feel like you had an entire year to address it. That's probably where it should have been done. If you do wait till the reunion, it feels very performative and demonstrative and just doesn't feel genuine.

[Nick Viall]

Have you kept in touch with Stephen at all?

[Garrett Taylor]

Kept in touch? Yeah. I definitely reach out to him and, like, how are you doing? And check in on him and stuff. So we're not like, hey, what are you doing this Friday? But I definitely have checked in on him because I. We were there for the whole experience, and my heart was heavy for him because I knew how this is going to come off. You know, obviously my heart's heavy for Monica for obvious reasons, but the, you know, the bad guy in the scenario doesn't.

[Taylor Crow]

Being told to kill yourself over and over again by thousands of people and that you're just, like a piece of shit human that deserves to, like, not be here anymore is like, it's nothing that we want for any person in our lives.

[Garrett Taylor]

It's going to break anybody. I mean, I didn't get near as much, and I still was broke, you know, at moments. So.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well, you obviously don't condone that. And unfortunately, the Internet is. It is what it is. I've.

[Natalie]

That's also one of their favorite things.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, they love to say that. To say it's just one of the. You know, and maybe I'm desensitized to it because I've had so much experience with online hate and things like that. And I've also had some very good lessons. You know, I tell this story several times, but a few years back, I got this message on Instagram from this person. It was on Twitter. I'm sorry, it was on Twitter. And it was like, hey, Nick, can you unblock me on Instagram? And I. At that point, I hadn't blocked someone in years because I Just, I stopped doing it. I don't really care. I don't read comments. But early on when I was on tv, I would block someone and the girl was like, hey, can you unblock me from Instagram? I'm really sorry for calling you an ugly troll or whatever it was. But in my defense, she Sundays, I was 12 and it was a really great lesson and I kind of laughed at it. And I did like a poll on Twitter, like, hey, guys, you think I should unblock this person? Like, those comments obviously are never okay, but I think sometimes you just have to remember potentially who is online and who, you know. You don't know these people. You know, unfortunately, parents are giving their 12 year olds phones and they can say the craziest shit. I don't condone that. I just, I do think simultaneously it doesn't alleviate Stephen to have to address his behavior and, you know, why he came on the show. I think, you know, Monica made a really great point because even his explanation at the reunion was kind of like, old me would have did this and. But new me was like, just, you know, I unlocked my phone, it said something like that. And to me it was like, well, all I'm hearing is a guy who clearly hasn't figured himself out yet. And love is blind isn't the place to figure out whether you are a faithful person, you know, and things like that. And here you are entering into a relationship with a woman who clearly has opened up about her past relationships and put herself out there, got engaged. You know, like, as someone who has gotten engaged on reality tv, like, it's easy for me to be like, it's not really the same, but I still have to be like, I was engaged before. It's still on my resume, so to speak. And Stephen stole that from Monica.

[Taylor Crow]

That's exactly what I said to her that night. I was like, I'm really sorry that this terrible thing happened to you with cameras in your face, but he doesn't get to take any more moments away from you. I don't think they met their parents at that point. You're not trying out, your mom's not seeing you in a wedding dress. Like, I know it's shitty and, and I can't tell you how to feel, but I can say from a third party perspective, thank God you found out now, like, until later. And I think Monica really, truly believed that. And like, she's in a great and like, super happy relationship and has very much moved on.

[Natalie]

So what is your opinion of his behavior on social media?

[Taylor Crow]

I Actually, don't follow any of the cast right now just because I didn't tell.

[Nick Viall]

These are very healthy people.

[Natalie]

No, truly.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's honestly kind of boring. Guys, come on. No, it is very nice.

[Ashley]

It's a breath of fresh air.

[Nick Viall]

You guys operate like you've done this a few times, and I mean that as a compliment because it's. It's. It's easier said than done to not engage with. It's just. It's easy to listen to the noise. It's very hard to disconnect, focus on what's in front of you. Most people don't do that.

[Taylor Crow]

I was so type A about going into this and, like, just so you hear so many horror stories about people on reality television and. And, like, hearing stuff that I think I, like, overdid it or I made, like, a ton of boundaries about certain things to. Just because we got married. Like, it's different than if I just went on something and then I'm just worrying about myself. Like, my mental health and how I'm doing affects our relationship. And, like, that. That's what fucking scared me to death. Going into this is like, what's going to happen when, like, all these people say a bunch of stuff about us, even though we were super strong going into it. Like, you hear these bad stories and like, I feel great. Did you.

[Natalie]

How. But how did y'all navigate that? Was it a very. I mean, Nick and I have been kind of on this page. This is something he's taught me of. Just like, you just don't. You don't go looking for it. You don't read anything. You don't read your comments. You don't read DMs, you don't, God forbid, go on Reddit. You don't read articles about yourself. Like, ignorance is bliss in this environment, in this industry. Is that kind of the way that y'all approached it? Or you just.

[Taylor Crow]

That was my goal. Like, I agreed to not. Not read comments, go on Reddit and, like, read dm. Like, I would only, like, I put on filters so people can't send me certain things, certain messages with certain words. And that's been great. And people. A lot of. It's like, the people, the friends that, like, will send you things like, oh, my God, did you say that?

[Natalie]

Did you hear?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, the cousins, my friends.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. And you have to, like, correct them a little bit. And it's like, I know you're trying to look out for me, but, like, please don't bring me negative things.

[Natalie]

Like, I didn't even know that was a thing, so. Thanks.

[Taylor Crow]

I'm a little different. Like, I'm lucky that it's been relatively positive, unless I've been completely just, like, delusional in all my filters.

[Garrett Taylor]

I've been. I've seen the comments. I've seen the comments.

[Taylor Crow]

But, like, I feel.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, she's gotten a lot of love.

[Taylor Crow]

I feel terrible for Garrett where it's like, you know, my husband's coming home and he's crying, really destroyed. Like someone. The first time that you told me that someone told you to kill yourself, like, broke my heart.

[Natalie]

It's hard.

[Nick Viall]

It's a weird feeling.

[Garrett Taylor]

You feel like you prepare for that and like you're ready for that. And you're like, I don't care who.

[Nick Viall]

Like, it still affects you.

[Garrett Taylor]

This person is. But you're just like, whoa, holy shit.

[Natalie]

If people don't like, like my takes on certain things, I'll get a dm. That's like, that was an awful take. You should kill yourself. I mean, it's like the.

[Nick Viall]

And it's the truth. It's sad, but it's true. It's just like our audience is largely women. When they're disappointed at me, it's like they say that I'm just a little disappointed, Nick. And for the same comment, they'll tell Natalie she's a ugly whore who should kill herself.

[Garrett Taylor]

Jesus.

[Taylor Crow]

Which is so wild because, like, I've never even left a comment on someone's thing that I don't know except if it was like, tag three friends or free bikini.

[Natalie]

Like, that's it. This, that is how I operate as well. And so it. It is crazy to me to think that, like, people take. Feel like they can just like drop their opinion, their negative opinion on someone's personal page or DM them something nasty. I.

[Garrett Taylor]

You know what's interesting? The moment you call them out, they're like, oh, oh, yeah, yeah. It's like they immediately back down. It's like, do you not realize, like, what you're saying? Like, oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, you're right.

[Natalie]

No, I love you. I love you so much. Thank you for responding.

[Garrett Taylor]

Thanks, King.

[Taylor Crow]

Like, what the.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's kind of the point. It's like, that's 12 year old girl behavior, right? Or, you know, maybe they're not all 12 year olds, but, like, it's just.

[Garrett Taylor]

You have a vendetta against this person.

[Taylor Crow]

Have you met them?

[Nick Viall]

No. Honestly.

[Taylor Crow]

We should reach check out.

[Natalie]

I'm very appreciative.

[Nick Viall]

I'm very appreciative I think I unblocked her. It wasn't this years ago, but I was very appreciative of the lesson. You know, it's like I was appreciative of the perspective that she was able to offer.

[Taylor Crow]

Reminder.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It was just a reminder because, like I said, I. We're very good at staying offline. We're very good at reading comments, but every once in a while, it'll still find you. Yeah. And you can be in this business for a while, and it's. It still affects you. You can help. How it affects you. The difference is, is how you process it after you're affected by it, and you just kind of get better at. Better at, like, reminding you, like, this person doesn't know me. This doesn't affect me. Because your instinct is to try to convince them, you know, like, when I first got criticism online, I almost was like, I would meet anyone willing to meet me because it was like, I'm going to show you who I really am, you know? And it's like, you can't do that. Like, how can you. That's not sustainable. Like, so you kind of have to give up on that and let it go and just be comfortable with. The Internet is the Matrix. It's not even real, you know, because you can go on, like, even Steven, for all the hate that he's getting. I promise you, if Stephen walks into a bar in D.C. he'll be treated like a rock star.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, they will all take pictures with him. They'll all be like, oh, my God. And even they'll be like, honestly, I'm kind of, like, into kings. And, like, you know, they'll all do that. Right. And it's not. It's not real. Yeah, right.

[Natalie]

Wait, what are your kinks. No, you want to talk it? Let's talk about it.

[Nick Viall]

Why didn't you want to talk about sex?

[Garrett Taylor]

Like, no, I resonate with that so much. Like, I. I need to get past this.

[Natalie]

Yeah, no, he has great swimmers.

[Garrett Taylor]

I do. I resonate with that so much because. And I need to get past this. This season of being public, because I do want to address everybody. And I'm like, I can do this. Like, and I'll respond to people and like it. Like, I just posted this money for the first time, like, a spearfishing thing since I've been on the show. Besides, like, this one reeling. I did. And immediately you're getting like, poor fish, and how dare you. And you seem like such a good guy. Why can you kill fish? And it's like, I. I have. I have lots of feelings and pins about this. Like, we could spend the rest of the podcast talking about it. No, so. So, So I. I. But I want to, like, help people. Like, if people want to understand, I'm willing to explain, but most people don't really want to understand. They just want to be entertained, and so that's why they're there.

[Nick Viall]

They want your attention.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

For a month. We're a month in. We're getting used to, like. Yeah, we're gonna, at some point, not read the comments.

[Natalie]

Honestly, I give y'all so much love, though. I give y'all a lot of props. You seem like you are handling it and navigating it incredibly well.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

We're lucky to have each other and.

[Nick Viall]

Willing to listen to each other and help each other out, because that's always. I think sometimes, you know, you don't just let me do what I want to do. And. And you guys seem. Even when maybe Garrett gives into the Internet, he seems to be willing to listen.

[Taylor Crow]

I'm sure the same people that are throwing me a bunch of love are the same people that are making you feel terrible, and that doesn't. I've been fucking flabbergasted. This has been such a positive experience for me. But, like, just wait.

[Garrett Taylor]

She knows. She's like, my day. She keeps saying my day is coming.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, I'll see the signs.

[Nick Viall]

But that's.

[Taylor Crow]

I don't know when. But everyone.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'm gonna. We'll do a podcast after.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it'll. It doesn't really matter. It's just more like people, like, it'll just be your turn, you know, and it'll just. Just. And hopefully you will just not notice it. But it's like. And you're right. You're absolutely right. The same people criticizing him are people who are wanting to protect you, you know, and they're. They identify with you. And. And, like, honestly, a lot of people who criticize you, they're not criticizing you. They're criticizing someone who you remind them of an ex or, you know, I remind them, like, the one person who lied to their. When their ex texted it. You know, it's all just a projection of. Of. And that's why we love these shows, because we're not. We're watching it because. Because it's either reflection of us or reflection of people we've dated before and things like that. So all of the reactions are just that. Right? And you just have to be able to disconnect from it totally.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, our caller is here if y'all are ready to give some relationship advice.

[Nick Viall]

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[Tim]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Ashley]

My name is Ashley, I'm 32 and I am struggling with how to handle issues with my long distance relationship. Very long distance. I'm glad.

[Nick Viall]

Where do they live?

[Ashley]

Well I live in America and they live in Europe. Don't need to be specific.

[Natalie]

Very, very long distance.

[Nick Viall]

Yes. I mean, other than the obvious, it being very far. What are your biggest struggle? Ultimately, it sounds like it's creating a bigger disconnect than you wish.

[Ashley]

Yes. So there have been a few smaller things, but it's come to a little bit of a head, I think, with our priorities, maybe in terms of not really where the relationship is going, but just the relationship in general. So he really likes to kind of do everything, like always not. And not in terms of partying, but always has trips, plans, always has things to do. He does travel a lot with work, and the only reason it's come to a head is because. Because with the distance, it's really hard to not see each other once you have a big fight. Um, like, you don't have that reconnection, you don't have that hug, that kiss, that whatever. Um, which hasn't been an issue until now. Nine months into it, we had a really big fight. We weren't planning on seeing each other until the first week of December, and I basically said, I can't. I need that reconnection. I need to see you. Can we look at your calendar? Look at my calendar and see if we can make it work? And next weekend? I guess this weekend now, he had a trip tentatively planned, so just blocked off for a guy's trip with people he sees every day, but they had no travel plans, no nothing, no Airbnb booked. And I basically said, hey, for this one weekend, can you just say, guys, I'm sorry, I can't make it. I have somebody else. I need to make a priority. It was the only weekend we could do it, basically, until either of us, until December. And it has now turned into a whole ordeal because he kind of dug his heels in. And I was like, well, now I don't feel important. And it's been.

[Nick Viall]

What was the original fight about?

[Ashley]

That's kind of almost another podcast in and of itself. It was a smaller issue that he admitted, so this is probably important. He admitted he totally screwed up, like not cheating or anything crazy like that. But it was a smaller issue that he turned into a bigger issue and said some not mean things, but just some things he shouldn't have said out of anger. That then in turn obviously created me having insecurities and not feeling great about it, that I basically was like, I need to see you. Like, we need to see each other. So I guess that I can get into more details if I can, but Like I said, it's almost a whole other story in and of itself.

[Nick Viall]

Is he American or is he European?

[Ashley]

No, he's European.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. How'd you guys meet?

[Ashley]

At Barcelona, a bar in D.C. okay.

[Taylor Crow]

That's where I said my first.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Some article, obviously, like a long distance relationships are difficult. I'm curious when you guys agreed to be boyfriend and girlfriend and try to make this, what was going to be a challenge work, like, what expectations about like where this relationship might go did you guys have?

[Ashley]

Well, so that's the other thing. We haven't really. Another piece. So I've been married before, so I'm really on no timeline, so to speak. And when we met, obviously it was, to be frank, a one night stand that neither of us had any anticipation of turning into something. And then it just did. Obviously the connection was great. We've seen each other a lot since then. We haven't had a ton of conversations other than then probably by like, theoretically this time next year we do need to be talking about if we're still together, about, okay, how that looks, who moves where, who does what. So there hasn't been a ton, I guess, of those conversations because we've kind of just been making it work until this point.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Ashley]

We haven't really had this conflict with priorities and who do you know you're choosing now? It's like you're choosing your friends that you see every day over me. And it's just created kind of another issue.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I know what I think, but I'm curious if you guys have questions. Questions?

[Taylor Crow]

I guess not questions, but just like being in a relationship with someone that doesn't make you feel secure is pretty much impossible when you're in the same city. But like, I mean, at least for me prior to meeting Garrett, like it was always an issue for me of like dating in D.C. obviously. And I would connect with people in different cities and doing long distance. Unless you are 110% and have a plan for where you guys are going to end up in the same place place, all the other details of whatever you fight about or when conflict arises, it's. It's going to be really tough to resolve. And so unless you feel like he's giving you clarity in prioritizing you and making you feel secure, and you're reciprocating that too and making him feel like a priority and making him feel secure and you're putting the time in. I don't know if there's any other advice that I can give that's going to fix this particular issue, to get through the other side.

[Nick Viall]

What I'm hearing is that like, I'm always trying to always empathize with both parties when I hear stuff like this. And so on face value, I guess I can see where he might be coming from. It's like I had these plans, I know they weren't set, but I got to drop all of this just for what I thought I already apologized. You know, he's probably thinking, you know, things like that. So on its face, it might seem like a slightly unreasonable request from you. But my point is, why I asked is like, what expectations you have have of this relationship going in. It's just like, I guess my point is you need to start having these conversations now, right? Because otherwise these types of disagreements and disconnects are going to continue to happen. Because I think you're thinking, hey, I need this right now. And I know it's not a normal request and I know it seems like I'm asking a lot of you, but like we decided to be in this long distance relationship and this is what you need right now. Right? And if he wants to make this long distance relationship work from time to time, he's going to have to do things outside of the norm of what maybe his buddies are doing in their relationships with people they're dating who live in the same city. Right? And so you're saying I need this. Right? And he's just like, well, this feels unreasonable and you're asking too much of me. But if he's not willing every once in a while to maybe splurge on a ticket or make a trip unexpected because these things are going to happen and you're going to need that connection that he's not willing to give you right now. So to me it just sounds like this is more opportunity to say, like, what are we doing here? Like going forward, you know, you can't promise each other you're not going to upset each other. You can't guarantee there's not going to be a fight or a disconnect. But when that does happen, are you both willing to do what needs to be done to bring each other back together? Seems like you are, but he's not seeing it, you know, to give him the benefit out. I feel like he's not seeing it the way he needs to. And maybe it's because you guys haven't had the conversations you should be having, having. Like, I understand you met on a one night stand and right now you guys have been just kind of enjoying each other's company when you can have it, but like kind of riding on the high of your story of how you met. But like, for this to continue on, you're gonna have to get on the same page in terms of where you guys are in terms of like expectations of this relationship.

[Taylor Crow]

Right.

[Ashley]

And I think that's kind of for certainly where it's gotten to because I. There's a little bit of. He calls. I would call it trauma from a past relationship where a girl basically always asked him to, you know, put her first. Had to cancel all of his plans all the time. Which frustrates me because I'm like, well, this is one time in nine months I've asked you now to can't. Like I've never done this before. It's not really who I am that I at least know myself to be in relationships I've been in. Like I said, I've been married. So it's like he's not taking that at face value and instead he's trying. He's like, well, I just don't want to set this precedent. I don't want to start this again. And I'm like, well, I'm not your past relationship. I think we obviously since in the past day or two, there's been a little bit more conversation around it. And now he's kind of trying to make both of them work. He's trying to go on his guys trip and then also trying to come here for like 12 hours. So he's trying to now do both of the things. But it did create this. I was like, okay, am I crazy for asking you to skip one guys trip weekend? Which he never called me crazy or never, But I was like, I was trying to look at it from his perspective because I don't want him to think that that's who I am really at all in a relationship.

[Natalie]

So his buddies, who he sees all the time gets several days and you get 12 hours.

[Ashley]

Well, and now that was only because of the way the flights worked. And it's also turned into the other option is which I'm inclined to take this. Girls probably laugh at me that he is now offering to pay to fly me to Milan for two days and he's going to stay in Rome for two days. So I'm like, I don't know, maybe.

[Natalie]

Milan can be fine. I think it's a great time of year for Milan. Natalie's like, I've been so.

[Ashley]

I'm like, it's kind. It's starting to maybe work itself out. But I Just was. I was like, I think he just likes to do everything. And I told him the other day, I said, as you get older, it's going to come to a head where you're going to have to start making sacrifices. I mean, he is old. He's 31. I was like, you're gonna have to start making sacrifices, or otherwise people in your life aren't going to feel important.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

And I think maybe that has kind of clicked with him, but I'm just not sure that's actually come to a head for him, really, in his life.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I also just like the word crazy you've thrown around. Like, what you guys are attempting to do, to have a relationship across continents is crazy. Right? It's kind of crazy. Like, it's, like, not recommended, very hard to do. Like, it might work, but it's kind of crazy. And my point is, every once in a while, to do this crazy thing that you're doing, you both might have to make crazy choices, you know, that he wouldn't otherwise want to make. And that's kind of my point. It's just like, he's so worried, and maybe it is a trauma from his past or whatever, but he needs to understand that what you both are attempting to do is kind of crazy. So it requires some crazy decisions every once in a while, and you guys can have those conversations and boundaries and expectations around. Like, yes, if I'm going to demand you to get on a plane every month, that would be really crazy. But I'm not asking that. Like you said, like, this is the first time I'm asking that. But I do need every once in a while to see you show your willingness to, like, go out of your way for us. Us. You know, every once in a while when I'm feeling really disconnected, which I am right now, and he. If he wants to be in this relationship and continue to be in this relationship and see if there's a future there, be willing to do stuff like this.

[Natalie]

What is your schedule for seeing each other currently?

[Ashley]

When we initially kind of started it, we decided we basically needed to make it work. Like, every four to six weeks. Sometimes it's been every two now. We were just together for two weeks, like, early October to mid October. So it's just. It just depends on what we're doing. But when we initially started and we were looking at both. We both do have busy schedules.

[Taylor Crow]

Right.

[Ashley]

It's not just about the flag. We just both have busy schedules. So we decided four to six weeks would be ideal. And sometimes it's been sooner. Sometimes it's been in two weeks we've seen each other and then in another two weeks. So it just varies a little bit.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I feel like this could be an opportunity for you guys to maybe, maybe sit down and have a conversation about what the future looks like. Because in all seriousness, nine months isn't a great deal of time. But for you guys to keep going, you need to have some kind of understanding of where this is going. Like, is any. Are either of you willing to relocate? Because if not, you know, long distance is a long distance can work temporarily.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

But unless it eventually becomes not long distance, unless you guys have some like very unique, unique relationship needs, eventually someone, one of you is going to have to make a very huge compromise. And you can't avoid those conversations, you know, otherwise you're just fucking around. Neither of you are taking this that seriously. If you're not willing to have these.

[Taylor Crow]

Serious conversations and you're not crazy for wanting that serious conversation and clarity. And it's not crazy to ask for him for a weekend of time to like get on the same, like feel like you guys are kind of back before you guys had your fight. I think it's all very valid.

[Ashley]

Yeah, that helps it. Just like I said, I just kind of wanted, I like to see everything from everyone's perspective. Maybe it probably didn't come out to him that way when I was initially a little upset about it. But I was like, okay, am I. Is this crazy? Like I hate saying that word. But just for me to insist that you drop your one weekend that you've blocked off. Now if it were friends that he hadn't seen in a year or family or whatever, that would. I probably wouldn't even question it. But because it's people he sees weekly, if not daily. Is was where I was kind of like, can you not just break your plans one time?

[Nick Viall]

And yeah, I mean he needs to go out of his way to make this relation, this law very long distance relationship work. And that's kind of the point.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, and you need to know he's willing to do that despite his trauma from his past relationship. You know, and he can't. Yeah. He cannot keep using as an excuse.

[Garrett Taylor]

No, it is important that he feels heard. Like if he's saying. If he's being honest and saying that there he has his hesitation comes from this previous relationship trauma or whatever you want to call it, then yeah, sure, make sure he feels heard. But also you need to feel heard. And it sounds like you did explain I need this. And in a relationship, you have to listen to each other's needs and really show them that you hear them and then you understand them. And yeah, at first it may be hard to hear and you feel defensive, but then come back, have the conversation and say, yeah, I understand. What can we do here? And I agree with everything Nick and Taylor and Natalie said.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I mean, also, like, setting a precedent is kind of a weird phrase in a relationship.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

Well, I, And I sometimes. Look, he's great. English is phenomenal. He speaks English and work, but English is his second language. So sometimes I give him a little bit of leeway with that because some of the words, I don't think. Because he even hesitated when he said it. I don't. I think he just. Sometimes they don't come out the best way. So I try to give that a little bit of. Of a little bit of grace. But I agree it was a strange way to phrase it.

[Nick Viall]

It was a strange way to phrase it, but it's a real thought. I think people in relationships have too. Right. So I think it's a very human feeling that he had to be worried about doing that, you know, So I don't know if it was a language thing. You both. I just think right now this fight is all about the fact that you guys have yet to sit down and really talk about what your future looks like with and have some tough conversations, like you guys had to have about your future, which might include both of you feeling like, fuck, one of us is going to have to make a huge sacrifice in the future, or both of you, but it's going to be required. And right now it seems like you guys have avoided that because, you know it's going to be really hard and you don't want to fuck up the honeymoon phase and the excitement of what you're going through. But nine months is plenty of time to enjoy it. But at this point, what you don't want to do is have this three year from now.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. You know, across the board, too, for us, we obviously had to. What we did was crazy. Like, for sure, like, but like I've seen with a lot of my girlfriends and like, their husbands or serious boyfriends, like, cutting into time with the boys or, like, fishing trips or things that, like, you did as a single person, spear fishing trips. Like, it, It's. This is, this is very normal. Like, these are. These are obstacles that a lot of couples have to, you know, get into a compromise point. And it looks, it looks different for every couple. And we had to recalibrate that, too. So it's not. It's not a really weird conversation to have. It's kind of just a milestone, for sure.

[Ashley]

No, I agree with that. Like I said, I think it's now. Although I don't know if either of us handled it phenomenally to begin with. When we started this argument, it's. I'm hoping it's like you said, kind of open this door to be like, hey, this is what we need moving. And we have talked a little bit about who would be willing to move where if we did get to that point. They've kind of not been super in depth conversations, but those. Some of those have come up. But, yeah, I think it's just gotten to a point where we just need to, you know, make a decision. So stay tuned. And maybe I get broken up with in Italy.

[Taylor Crow]

No, stop. Not at.

[Natalie]

Send us an update.

[Taylor Crow]

Honestly.

[Ashley]

Right.

[Taylor Crow]

Follow Instagram.

[Garrett Taylor]

And Natalie's like, wait a minute.

[Taylor Crow]

Not a bad.

[Nick Viall]

You already met one European man on a bar. So, I mean.

[Ashley]

And honestly, I haven't been to Italy. So when he offered, I was like, ooh, kind of annoying.

[Nick Viall]

But also, he ain't flying you out to break up with you.

[Natalie]

That is true.

[Ashley]

That's true.

[Garrett Taylor]

But I mean, yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

[Ashley]

There are worse places to get dumped than Italy.

[Nick Viall]

I really just. I just don't think guys would fly you out to break up with you.

[Garrett Taylor]

Nick obviously wouldn't.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I broke up with him over text.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, it's kind of. The logic is she's going to hate me anyway anyways.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah, might as well.

[Natalie]

Well, send us an update. Keep us posted on how this conversation goes and where your relationship ends up. We would love to follow along for sure.

[Ashley]

Thanks, guys.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you. Take care.

[Ashley]

Bye.

[Nick Viall]

I have one. One more question, I think, for you, Garrett, while you can participate too. Chandler, Tim and Alex at the reunion. I'm just kidding. They obviously got into it. It got contentious, and then Vanessa really wanted to end the drama. I was like, man, let him keep going.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'm good with that.

[Nick Viall]

I. It was.

[Taylor Crow]

It went on for like, we. You probably. I don't know how long you guys saw, but it was like 90 minutes.

[Garrett Taylor]

It just really, really didn't make cheeses.

[Natalie]

It was like maybe five minutes.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. And it wasn't. It wasn't going anywhere, so they saved you.

[Nick Viall]

Gotcha. I liked Tim as a viewer. At the same time, I'm pretty sure that Tim is probably getting a lot of heat. And I imagine after reunion, he's going to get even more. And I think partly it's. It is because I think its audience is mostly women. And I think, you know, we're protective, obviously, and rightfully so, of the ladies on this, but sometimes I feel like it can go a little too far where it's just like, I think anytime a man shows a little frustration, anger, it doesn't always read well on camera. But you and Tim seem pretty close. And my read on Tim is that, like, while he may be an imperfect person and like, as we all are, and clearly it seemed like him and Alex just maybe weren't compatible. When I watch reality tv, I'm trying to decide a couple of things. I just assume everyone's flawed. We all have our mistakes.

[Garrett Taylor]

There you go.

[Nick Viall]

But are you a good person or are you a bad person type type of thing? Tim, to me, seems like a good guy, like an earnest, high character, has his values, has his conviction to stand by them even in the face of criticism. And I just want to give you an opportunity to talk about what seems to be one of the guys you actually came close with, because I do feel like he is set up for failure the way it is aired sometimes.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. And I mean, that's frustrating. The problem that this is like a permanent tattoo on your life going forward. But, like, your read on Tim is perfect. I mean, he's a great guy. He really has a big heart. He's a big, you know, he doesn't like the empathy and tenderness tag, but. But he is. I mean, he is a sweet guy, but he is very firm and convicted and he has strong morals and he really values his family a lot. I think that came across really well. And yeah, I mean, he just. I'm not going to speak to, like, how his thought process was, but you can see he's trying to defend Alex throughout the show in the beginning. So he's still. He's not. He's not in it for, like, the show and the flare, and he's trying to be angry and upset, but when he feels like he's been crossed or his reasoning or justification is attacked, like, he can be a firm speaker and it comes across certain way. He was. He was. He has talked about. He. He's very cognizant of that and he's tried to reel that back, but he does get excited. He's very excitable and gets worked up. So this isn't to take anything away from anyone that in listening to him or talking to him would feel like, holy cow, because I'VE seen him. I'd be like, tim, you're speaking a little aggressive, loudly, but there's nothing meant by it. So I didn't pick up on that, watching it. And I hope that other viewers don't, but if they do, Tim is. You sit down and talk to him. He will speak on it and you'll love him. He is a good but. And you're right, they were just incompatible and ultimately like, same thing for Ramses. You know, if you don't feel like this is your person, you need to cut it off. And it's never going to be pretty and you're never going to be the good guy.

[Nick Viall]

Never.

[Garrett Taylor]

But you have to do it. And it's. You're doing the right thing by doing it as early as possible.

[Nick Viall]

Why do you think at the reunion those two decided kind of like to your point earlier, they had a whole year. Why do you feel like the vitriol came up?

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, I mean, they didn't speak, obviously, so they haven't spoken in a year.

[Nick Viall]

So they didn't. Okay.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, I mean, it's kind of Tim's fault.

[Natalie]

He did what he did.

[Nick Viall]

He was like, I'm never talking to you again. Okay.

[Garrett Taylor]

It made it very clear. That's just how he is. He's like, we've. There's nothing here to talk about. I don't need to understand anything more. But Alex sounds like maybe she did. I don't. I don't know. I'm not even sure if maybe she did. But you want to defend your character in some sense and you both feel like, you know, you got you. Everyone's kind of sensitive about their edit. Like, I don't really like this and how this came off. So you want to defend that a little bit. I don't think they can't either. One of them came there to attack the other person. You kind of want to defend your character and, you know, sometimes you got to take up ground to do that. So I think that's all that was.

[Nick Viall]

We had a chance to talk with Ashley. She addressed in great detail all the backstory of Tyler and Ashley's whatever baby drama that they're going through. But, you know, fans will fan and be the skeptics that they are. And there was a moment at the reunion when you were like, we got your back. So just as two people who have gotten to know those to and had at least a little bit of a front row seat to that whole experience, what is your guys perception of that situation? And more importantly, Ashley and Tyler's relationship.

[Taylor Crow]

I mean, through the experiment, we're really good friends. Like, there's only one other couple in the world that knows exactly what you went through. Cause, like, every season's obviously different. And I think they're both really incredible, great people. And so I know that a marriage in the way that we did, that we did it is not. It's not easy. It's. It's really quick and hard and fast. And in terms of, like, all the other details of what's going on, I actually haven't. I haven't watched any of the, like, baby mama videos, the ex wife videos. I haven't read anything. I've only heard. People have only, like, come up to me because I'm friends with Ashley in real life and, like, she can tell me how she feels about it. And quite honestly, I do think that Tyler only owes an explanation to Ashley and, like, his family. I don't think anyone else, like, needs to know. So I'm, for me, like, I don't actually, like, know all the details. I haven't talked to Ashley directly about it yet. So it's.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I guess it's less about the detailed. And I. And that's why I want to ask, because you are friends. It's more, I think, the real skeptics out there, you know, and not that it matters, but it's more like, I think people want to tell Ashley she's being foolish for believing Tyler type of energy. Right. And like, it's like, yeah, like you said, what goes on between them matters. But at the end of the day, I think we want to believe that Ashley is making the right and healthy decision and talking to her very much felt like she was. But just from that perspective, can you speak on just, like, your confidence in Ashley to ask the questions she needed to ask and get the answers she needed to ask because, like, we all, we've all been fooled by the people we trust and people we love. And I think the people out there who might have a hard time time buying into the relationship might be people who are projecting they've been wronged by someone they love and trust. And it's just more speaking on that.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. I know that Ashley is a very intelligent, very thorough person, and she's had her, like, shovel out digging from day one. Like, I have 100% confidence in that.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah. I mean, you're about to tie your life to this other person. No one's going to pull, like, close their eyes and be like, I just want to do this. Like, I. Yeah, I don't know Ashley as well as you, but I, you know, you spend, you spent the time with her. Like she's very. Or you guys both did. She's very. Like, she's going to find the answers. And Tyler is a very good guy and you spend time with him and you feel very, like, bought into him. He's very genuine and trustworthy, it feels like. So to see what happened on camera and stuff, you know, I understand where the views are coming from, especially with like the stuff that's coming out and they want it. They want, they want. Maybe it's coming from a good place, maybe it's not. But the point is like, like there's, you know, Ashley is going to. Chose to spend the rest of her life with him. Like, she's going to get the answers and she's going to dig. And if there's anybody I trust to do it, for sure, Ashley.

[Nick Viall]

Now, what seemed really sad about the whole thing is that it actually seemed like a really selfless and sweet thing that he did that ultimately is now backfiring because he went on this TV show and made this crazy choice. And I understand that it can be very weird for someone, you know, or had some type of relationship with to go on TV and watch them. And so I give those people grace. But at the same time, it really feels like in Tyler's situation, this person is almost responding to her story being told in a way. Like she's. She is attaching herself to Tyler in a way that maybe she shouldn't. And even though it's. It seems like a very vindictive thing for this person to do. Like, I guess I maybe understand where it's coming from, but it's just sad because it seemed like there's. He's being criticized for what ultimately was a beautiful thing and selfless thing that he did for this person. And it's such a shame that it's. It's backfiring on him now.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, it is frustrating. And I mean, we've even in our story, like, and I didn't like how certain things came across or whatever. Maybe I wish they would have showed more of this or that. Like, even then I feel like it's kind of tainted a little bit, but it's really not. I mean, ultimately we have a great story, but I couldn't imagine like times a billion what Tyler and Ashley are going through. Like, I just feel for them every single day.

[Nick Viall]

Well, the good news is is no one really will remember all that.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, hopefully.

[Nick Viall]

And. And when it comes. What I always tell people, usually when it's off the Bachelor, you know, when they're asking for my advice is like, listen now. It's like, I'll say it to you guys. Like, your story really hasn't been told up until this point. Netflix has told your guys a story. Now you guys have a platform. You have social media. You control your narrative. So for all anyone who's doubting you guys or believing in you guys, guys, we'll find out, so to speak. You will show us one way or the other what the truth is. And now you guys have a chance to tell your own story, just like Tyler and Ashley have a chance to tell their story. And at the end of the day, like, people won't remember, you know, if you've ever watched the Bachelor and you remember Ari is the Bachelor and how that season ended for him and how much. I've never seen someone hated so much online. And now the truth is he made the right decision and he's in a happy marriage with the person he picked and they have kids now, and the person he broke up and rejected became the Bachelorette and that didn't work out. And now she is happily with someone with a kid from the show and. And that's all that people care about right now. They don't even remember the vitriol, all those nasty things. So it's just best to just let it go.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. This too shall pass.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we really appreciate you guys taking the time. This is so much fun getting to know you guys. Ultimately, what's next for you guys? And then we'll end it on that.

[Taylor Crow]

Well, I'm going to follow him back on Instagram and probably, probably like some time off, like a vacation. It's been kind of a whirlwind.

[Garrett Taylor]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

But like, life wise, we're planning to move to D.C. ironically.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're very excited about going and just, I mean, I've been so close to D.C. my whole life and I really haven't spent that much time there, but so I'm like, okay, cool. I could actually, like, spend time in it and be there. And I mean, I'm still close to friends and family, so it's all. Yeah, we're both very excited about actually starting our own chapter, our own lives in D.C. and seeing where that takes us.

[Nick Viall]

Any more modeling and Fashion Week for Taylor?

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, no, that would be nice. I would definitely be into it. I love fashion and I think it's very interesting and it's something Taylor and I connect on, so hopefully we can do more of that.

[Taylor Crow]

He is way more of the fashionista.

[Garrett Taylor]

If we could have sat here and talked about textiles and.

[Natalie]

Please lean into your OOTDs, you know?

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You should you get ready with me.

[Garrett Taylor]

I don't know. My spear fisherman following is going to probably deplete a little bit, but we'll.

[Natalie]

Throw in a fish every year.

[Nick Viall]

Going to go ahead and guess them. Majority of your audience is women.

[Garrett Taylor]

It is now.

[Nick Viall]

And.

[Taylor Crow]

Oh, yeah, definitely.

[Nick Viall]

I think you should give the people what they want, you know, as it relates to what you're passionate about.

[Garrett Taylor]

No. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You just have to find what are the things that my audience loves and that I love.

[Garrett Taylor]

What are the intersection there? Yeah. Venn diagrams, Taylor.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah. Those are my vows and make it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Well, speaking of which, how can people follow you? What's. What's your guys's Instagram?

[Taylor Crow]

Mine is Chinese disco, baby. Is my Instagram.

[Nick Viall]

Naturally.

[Garrett Taylor]

Mine's way less catchy. It's just Garrett Josmans.

[Natalie]

Boring.

[Taylor Crow]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

I'm going to be White fish guy.

[Nick Viall]

I think.

[Taylor Crow]

Please don't be White fish Guy.

[Garrett Taylor]

Caucasian fish dad.

[Nick Viall]

You should think about changing yours. I only say this just because now that you're a public figure and you're a little bit famous, you want to be easy to find.

[Taylor Crow]

I know I have to grieve.

[Garrett Taylor]

So Caucasian fish Daddy isn't going to work.

[Nick Viall]

Hey, you can do whatever you want.

[Natalie]

Lean into your influencing.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Sell teeth whiteners on Amazon. Peroxide free.

[Nick Viall]

Listen, you were given.

[Taylor Crow]

That is so disappointing.

[Nick Viall]

You were given a lottery ticket, and now it's up to you what you want to do with that.

[Garrett Taylor]

Well, and that's the funny thing. Some people come at you. If you do try to do it, you know, you feel a little hesitant. You're like, do I do it? Because people like, oh, you're only here for this. It's like, come on now, bro. You do the same thing.

[Nick Viall]

Take advantage of the.

[Natalie]

Make the money. You do it.

[Nick Viall]

Yes. Yes, you do it.

[Taylor Crow]

Kids college fun.

[Nick Viall]

Do it your way, but do it.

[Garrett Taylor]

That's the hard part, is like trying to maintain your own identity while leaning into this.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Taylor Crow]

Do OTD outfit of the day.

[Nick Viall]

I remember me turning down a handful of things because I was like, thought I was like, too good for it. Or like, no one.

[Garrett Taylor]

Like, you go do that underwear and deal, Nick.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I just, like, no one would. It would have come and gone. I just, like, passed up on some real amazing opportunities because I was trying to impress people. I didn't know, you know.

[Taylor Crow]

So yeah, I Chinese Disco Babies just because it's hilarious to me. But I can see how I should probably change it for searchability purposes.

[Nick Viall]

I wouldn't like if I was like, oh, I want to go follow Taylor. I just don't know if I would type in Chinese Disco Baby, but can't.

[Taylor Crow]

You just like, do my full name and then it comes.

[Garrett Taylor]

Yeah, you type in Taylor Crow.

[Nick Viall]

Eventually. Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Nick, you better be yourself, man.

[Natalie]

He's a little bit of a hater.

[Garrett Taylor]

Well, love is not blind, nor is your screen name.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah. Nor is your crew cut. So don't ever go fucking back.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Garrett Taylor]

Wow. Dude, you wouldn't have swiped right on me, man.

[Nick Viall]

No, absolutely.

[Taylor Crow]

Should we leave?

[Natalie]

What's going on here?

[Nick Viall]

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