E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins

Summary

Summary of "The Viall Files" Episode E864: Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins

Introduction

In Episode E864 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall, alongside co-hosts Natalie Joy and Heather McMahan, delves into a whirlwind of topics ranging from high-profile legal battles to the glitz and glam of reality television. The episode, released on January 7, 2025, primarily centers around Justin Baldoni's lawsuit against The New York Times, offering listeners an in-depth analysis with guest legal expert Emily D. Baker. Additionally, the hosts celebrate recent events like the Golden Globes and discuss various pop culture phenomena, ensuring a blend of insightful commentary and entertaining banter.

Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit Against The New York Times

The cornerstone of this episode is the discussion surrounding Justin Baldoni's legal action against The New York Times. Justin Baldoni has filed a defamation lawsuit, alleging that The New York Times misrepresented him in their reporting. The lawsuit includes claims of false light and defamation, emphasizing that the publication acted recklessly in its portrayal of Baldoni.

At [18:24], Emily D. Baker elaborates:

“Justin’s decision to file the lawsuit in California is strategic, aiming to influence the court of public opinion despite facing significant jurisdictional challenges.”

Baldoni’s legal team has presented numerous text message screenshots as evidence, arguing that these communications were cherry-picked to distort his character and actions. The hosts express skepticism about the longevity and potential success of the lawsuit, given the robust legal protections media organizations like The New York Times enjoy.

Nick Viall shares his perspective at [23:44]:

“It seems like Justin and his team are more interested in shaping public perception than achieving a legal victory, knowing the uphill battle they face.”

Emily Baker highlights the complexities of current litigation involving multiple parties, including Blake Lively and her lawsuit in New York, further complicating the legal landscape. She explains the procedural hurdles Baldoni may encounter, such as venue challenges and The New York Times potentially invoking SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) protections to dismiss the case early.

At [25:42], Emily adds:

“The likelihood of the lawsuit advancing beyond initial filings is low, given the formidable defenses available to The New York Times and the protective legal environment in California.”

Golden Globes Highlights

Shifting gears, the hosts celebrate the recent Golden Globes, highlighting Nikki Glaser's standout performance as Emcee. Nikki's blend of humor and class, along with her ability to engage the audience, garnered significant praise from the hosts.

Heather McMahon comments at [04:00]:

“Nikki killed it with her hilarious yet classy roast, maintaining a perfect balance that kept the energy punchy and fun.”

Nick Viall expresses admiration for Nikki’s talent and discusses attempts to bring her onto The Viall Files, although scheduling conflicts have delayed her appearance.

Ariana Grande’s Legal Battle and Public Image

The conversation turns to Ariana Grande, focusing on her legal struggles and public image. The hosts dissect recent developments, including Ariana's divorce and her supportive yet publicly complicated relationship with Ryan Reynolds.

At [09:39], Nick summarizes:

“Ariana’s story is tragic yet misunderstood, with public assumptions often overshadowing her genuine emotional turmoil.”

Emily Baker provides legal insight into the allegations against Ariana and Ryan, discussing the implications of the defamation claims and the potential for counter-suits. She emphasizes the importance of understanding both sides of the narrative, as public figures often navigate complex personal and professional challenges under scrutiny.

Reality TV and Personal Anecdotes

As the episode progresses, the hosts pivot to lighter topics, including updates from reality TV stars and their personal lives. Heather McMahon shares behind-the-scenes insights from shows like Southern Charm and Summer House, while Sierra discusses her experience attending the Golden Globes and interacting with celebrities like Ariana Grande.

At [57:55], Sierra reflects:

“Navigating the intersection of personal life and reality TV stardom is challenging, but it offers unique perspectives on fame and public perception.”

Heather McMahon and co-hosts engage in humorous exchanges about reality TV drama, celebrity interactions, and the quirks of maintaining privacy amidst public attention. These segments provide a relatable counterbalance to the heavy legal discussions, showcasing the hosts' versatility and camaraderie.

Concluding Thoughts

In wrapping up the episode, the hosts reiterate the importance of keeping an open mind regarding legal disputes among public figures and encourage listeners to stay informed as the Justin Baldoni lawsuit and related cases continue to unfold. They invite guests like Emily Baker to return for further updates, ensuring that their audience remains engaged with evolving public narratives.

Nick Viall concludes at [56:02]:

“We love having Emily break it down for us. As this legal saga continues, we’ll keep following the story and bring you all the latest insights.”

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Emily Baker at [18:24]: “Justin’s decision to file the lawsuit in California is strategic, aiming to influence the court of public opinion despite facing significant jurisdictional challenges.”
• Nick Viall at [23:44]: “It seems like Justin and his team are more interested in shaping public perception than achieving a legal victory, knowing the uphill battle they face.”
• Heather McMahon at [04:00]: “Nikki killed it with her hilarious yet classy roast, maintaining a perfect balance that kept the energy punchy and fun.”
• Nick Viall at [09:39]: “Ariana’s story is tragic yet misunderstood, with public assumptions often overshadowing her genuine emotional turmoil.”
• Sierra at [57:55]: “Navigating the intersection of personal life and reality TV stardom is challenging, but it offers unique perspectives on fame and public perception.”
• Nick Viall at [56:02]: “We love having Emily break it down for us. As this legal saga continues, we’ll keep following the story and bring you all the latest insights.”

Conclusion

Episode E864 of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive exploration of Justin Baldoni’s lawsuit against The New York Times, enriched by expert legal commentary from Emily D. Baker. The hosts adeptly balance serious legal discourse with lighthearted segments on reality TV and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with a multifaceted and engaging listening experience. By addressing high-stakes legal battles alongside the ever-entertaining world of pop culture, The Viall Files continues to solidify its position as a versatile and insightful podcast destination.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Nick]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. Happy New Year to you all. I know. I think we probably wish you a happy New year yesterday for us, Nick. But in case we didn't, Happy New Year. I hope you're all having a great 2025 so far. I know we are. It's been great for us. I don't know, I mean Sierra, we haven't seen you since 2024. Has it been good for you?

[Heather McMahon]

2025 has been great so far.

[Natalie]

Yay.

[Heather McMahon]

Say more. I guess the silence. I went to Whistler, Canada, had a Beautiful beginning of 2025. I had a nice little snow moment in a cabin and coming back home couldn't be more excited to see all your faces.

[Nick]

Okay. Okay.

[G]

Did you stay up for the ball drop?

[Natalie]

Yes. Yes I did.

[Heather McMahon]

Far past.

[Nick]

We stayed up for the New York.

[G]

Ball drop, but on western time.

[Nick]

On western time.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So we kissed at nine.

[Nick]

Yeah. Which was romantic.

[Natalie]

It was romantic. I posted a TikTok of it.

[G]

I saw the black and white filter.

[Natalie]

A little black and white moment.

[Nick]

I think that was mostly because we were didn't shower all day and like in Sweatpants.

[Natalie]

Speak for yourself. I was.

[Nick]

I felt like you. I didn't. Well, maybe you were helping me out. I felt like I. You. I felt like in that video, you're like, it looks a little rough, so we're going to put, like, a black and white.

[Sierra]

You were in.

[D]

You were in New Year's rock.

[Natalie]

No, I was trying. Trying to do.

[Nick]

I was in rot mode. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Natalie]

No, I was just trying to be, like, aesthetically pleasing, like, black and white.

[Nick]

I thought it was because I was.

[Natalie]

I think we had, like, gone for lunch that day. We had, like, gone out. We'd left the house. Yesterday was, like, rough for both of us.

[Heather McMahon]

She was romanticizing your rot.

[Sierra]

Oh, wow.

[D]

That's how you know it's love when you romanticize the rot.

[Nick]

Yeah. Well, we have a wild episode lined up for y'all. The very hilarious, very talented, very wonderful. Heather McMahon is with us shortly. Also, Emily Baker is returning shortly, which is coming up next, because, as we now know. Update. Justin Baldoni did file a suit against the New York Times. It did seem like a lot of the. The Justin Stands who, like, last week, felt. I don't. I don't know what they felt. Maybe they felt like, oh, we got it wrong, or the tail between the legs. And it did feel like there was a lot of Justin Stands, loud and proud, doing victory laps over the weekend. Oh, yeah. We want to break it down with Emily. Obviously, we have our opinions of the case, but I want to bring on Emily first and just kind of ask her some questions, get her thoughts. We want to be as objective as possible. Obviously, we have our opinions, but I want to hear from Emily. I'm not even sure what she has to say about it, what her opinions on the case are. So we'll break it all down, give our thoughts, give our feelings. That will be up in just a few moments. Also, the Golden Globes happened last night. Our friend of show, Nikki Glazer, crushed it. I'm really proud of Nikki. Not that it really did. She needs our. Our pride.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, she killed.

[Nick]

She killed.

[Heather McMahon]

Hysterical.

[Natalie]

It was like a mix of, like, just the perfect amount of roast with, like, classy jokes, and she kept it.

[Nick]

Punchy and fun and good energy.

[Natalie]

It wasn't, like, too below the belt or, like, awkward or not funny or, like, it was just all, like, she.

[D]

Won the room, which is the most important part. And Nikki was able to just, like, be vaguely recognizable enough to everyone that they're like, I kind of know that girl. And then she was like, I'm gonna get down to your. I'm not going to be too mean. I have actually watched these movies.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[D]

And I respect what you do, but I am going to make fun of you and make an incredible Stanley Tucci joke.

[Natalie]

I watched her on. I watched her do some interview and it was like, you know, how do you, like, find the balance? And she basically was like, I like, study these people and I become fans of them so that the quote unquote roast comes from a place of love and not from a place of, like, I can't stand this person, but of, like, at the end of the day, I still respect you and love you and appreciate what you create and.

[Nick]

But we're excited for. She crushed it. I text her yesterday before she went on and she wrote me back right away. I was like, yeah, man. I'm texting her like three hours before she takes the stage. And I told her she was gonna kill it and tell her we want her back on the show. And she's like, I would love to spring, probably.

[Heather McMahon]

She says, oh, booked and busy.

[Nick]

Nikki Glaser. I don't know. Eventually we'll get her.

[D]

First time Golden Globe loser Nikki Glaser is booked in.

[Nick]

Busy.

[Natalie]

Probably.

[Nick]

She said probably spring, so probably not. But last time. Last time we text she. Yes. This summer, and that was last winter.

[Natalie]

Oh, okay.

[G]

We're getting there.

[Nick]

So we're getting there closer.

[Natalie]

At some point.

[Heather McMahon]

The season windows are getting smaller and smaller.

[Nick]

I think she's still one of our most returning guests on the show. She's been on the crew four times. It's been a while since she's gotten really. She's. She's really blown up.

[Heather McMahon]

I mean, you're welcome. Nikki Glaser for the steps. Kidding.

[Nick]

But, like, kidding. It's good to see her shine.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, you know who else who had their moment last night? Demi Moore. And I couldn't be happier for her.

[Natalie]

Her speech. Yes.

[Heather McMahon]

I could have cried for her. She was like, I've been in this industry for 4, 30 years to finally get.

[D]

And for the substance. You guys need to watch the substance. Everybody should watch this.

[Nick]

I don't know if I can handle it. I did watch finally. Wicked. It's a powerful movie. It's good, isn't it?

[Natalie]

So good for.

[Nick]

For someone who, like, could give a About singing. Yeah, it was very good.

[Heather McMahon]

That makes me so happy.

[Nick]

And the ending was very powerful. It was hard not to get choked up.

[Heather McMahon]

The war cry.

[Nick]

Oh, it was good.

[G]

Wait, so you watched it at home?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah. Did you buy it or rent it?

[Nick]

We bought it. I mean, it's like a two dollar difference.

[Heather McMahon]

It's like five dollar difference.

[D]

My mom bought it. I was very happy.

[Nick]

I anticipate river watching it.

[Natalie]

We tried to get her to watch and she was like, yeah, I'm not there yet.

[D]

She wasn't holding space.

[Nick]

She was not holding space. But I was. It was good.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[D]

You get it now.

[Nick]

It's very. It's a. It's well done.

[G]

What did.

[Nick]

You can't deny it's.

[G]

What did you take from it? Like, what is the message of Wicked?

[Nick]

I. About the message. I'm so tired of movies in their message. I just want to watch movie. Turn my brain off and just. Are they good at singing? Not good at.

[Natalie]

We did both. As soon as the movie ended, we looked to each other and we were like, where is the Glinda Elphaba? Glinda Elphaba. Come to find out. That's a tik tok they did.

[G]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Oh, it's not even real now.

[Natalie]

It's not like, come on, where is the part now?

[Nick]

He was like, I'm thinking, that's a catchy tune. I can't wait for that to come on.

[D]

I was like, not.

[Natalie]

Did we miss it? Nick was like, I think it's in part two. And I was like, there's a part two? He's like, they filmed it all.

[Nick]

I've never heard of this alleged TikTok song at all. Ever. I just heard it from my wife and I'm like, sounds catchy.

[G]

You guys are. You guys are singing I'm a witch. And I'm literally.

[Natalie]

I'm like, it sounds like. That was because she gave. She was giving the backstory to. To the rest of Whoville, right? No, where is it?

[D]

Land is a region in Oz.

[G]

Yes.

[Natalie]

So she's giving the backstory. And I was like, this is like the perfect time for them to go into. We were roommates back in school. Glenda's awkward. Or Glenda's whatever. Y'all know.

[G]

You got it.

[Nick]

You're on it.

[Natalie]

She's like robbing the narration.

[Heather McMahon]

You just watched the long form version.

[G]

It could be Lin Manuel.

[Natalie]

I watched the extended. Maybe it was a deleted scene.

[Nick]

I mean. And Ariana Grande was very good. She was very talented.

[Emily Baker]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

We kind of missed her ex Hus. Her new boyfriend's ex wife over the holidays. Wrote a very.

[D]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Expressive piece.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Kind of flew under the radar. Well, I think it got maybe a little outshined it.

[Natalie]

Well, I think it got maybe a.

[Nick]

Little buried by to get buried by other.

[Natalie]

Other headlines.

[Nick]

Headlines.

[D]

That situation to me just seems like a very particular relationship that like nobody actually knows about. And everyone's just assuming a lot of things and people love to assume a lot of things about Ariana Grande and have for a very, very long time also.

[Nick]

I think you just love that she's so good at singing.

[Natalie]

No, but also in, in these type of scenarios, it's like the story, the made up story that people come up with is always way more fun than the truth.

[Nick]

The truth? Yeah. Which is like basing it off of why not what's, what's his. What's. What's his ex's name? Like her. Her story was.

[Heather McMahon]

It's Ethan Slater and Dr. Lily J.

[Nick]

Lily J's story was.

[D]

It was. It was tough.

[Nick]

It was a tough read.

[Natalie]

You read it?

[Nick]

I read some of it.

[Natalie]

What were some of the key takeaways?

[Nick]

It's a sad story.

[Heather McMahon]

She never thought she would get divorced after giving birth to her first child and the shadow of her husband's new relationship with a celebrity, but that they're both still dedicated to co parenting their son. But her essay was about like, how does divorce make you feel?

[Nick]

Sad.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, it was just.

[D]

It's sad.

[Heather McMahon]

The joke of it, unfortunately is about musical theater kids in the sense of like they went off for two years to go film this movie.

[D]

Yes. And then of course they fell in love.

[Heather McMahon]

Of course you fall in love with the first co star that comes your way.

[Sierra]

Like.

[Heather McMahon]

I don't know, but. And I don't know how true it is, but it's just very true to like high school and like musical theater communities and they kind of, they kind of followed the recipe without with Ariana and Ethan. But if everyone. It is what it is. It's not my business.

[Nick]

You guys are so nervous.

[D]

It was just odd. No, it was like.

[Emily Baker]

I don't know if it is what it means.

[Nick]

It's all right.

[Sierra]

I just don't get nervous. I feel our business.

[Natalie]

We're staying out of it. We're staying out of it.

[D]

No, my take on it is like I Peter, kids.

[Emily Baker]

I don't know if you follow them.

[Nick]

I don't know what you're supposed to do. It's like they had two years. What are you gonn. I don't know. Like, oh my God, people get divorced. I don't know. It's none of our fucking business.

[D]

No, I just think that people are mean to Ariana Grande for no reason and assume a lot of things about her. And I think if you can critique her for anything. It might just be for having kind of bad taste in guys. But I don't think she's this like evil homewrecker that people make her out to be. And I think it's been going on her entire career.

[Nick]

But there is a bit of a pattern.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

I mean, but then it's also a narrative that's been put on her and she obviously doesn't really want to talk about it.

[Nick]

It's a great movie.

[D]

It's a great movie.

[Natalie]

It was a great movie.

[D]

It's a great movie. And I think she slays.

[Heather McMahon]

And they won best blockbuster new category at the Globes.

[Natalie]

So congrats, congrats, congrats to Wicked, the.

[D]

Substance and conclave and Gypsy Rose Blanchard.

[Nick]

Who gave birth to her baby, Gypsy Rose. Congratulations. Gypsy and Ken sent us a message shortly after Gypsy gave birth and gave Natalie and I a little inside tea. We knew about it before y'all did, so we shared that moment with them and we felt very lucky to do so, but very, very happy. Congratulations to Gypsy and Gabe on her.

[G]

One year anniversary of being released.

[Nick]

That's.

[Natalie]

Wow, that is crazy. That she gave birth on the day she got out of prison last year. Like, that's crazy.

[G]

Is that the universe or is that induced me right now?

[Natalie]

Universe.

[Nick]

You think? She was like, well, what are the.

[G]

Odds that it's on your one year? You know what I mean?

[Natalie]

Exactly. That's crazy. Listen, it's hard to be induced for your first pregnancy. It's hard. Usually they want you to like, go until you go into labor.

[Nick]

Either way, congratulations to Gypsy and Ken and to their beautiful family. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Nicole Kidman says the secretary. Successful marriage to Keith Urban comes down to two bathroom appliances. We have a double shower, the double headed shower, key to a successful marriage, and separate commodes in their bathroom. And I couldn't agree more.

[Nick]

I think it's important to at least have a door in front of your toilet 1,000%.

[Heather McMahon]

But also, like, I mean, if you're.

[Nick]

Lucky enough to have two toilets, great. Well, I mean, I don't know for all the movies that we watch where they just normalize in front of your partner. I don't understand why people do this.

[D]

What movies are you watching?

[Nick]

I don't know, there's always like, you're not wrong. There's a lot of. I don't know, there's a lot of TV shows or movies or whatever that there's a scene between a husband and wife. There's always like someone's like sitting on the walks in calling it that, the toilet. Well, when a man's sitting on a toilet, I'm assuming he's not peeing. I don't know. It's always like a guy sitting toilet, you know, I don't think he's just tucking it just to take a pee.

[D]

I don't know.

[Nick]

Is this too much for you?

[Natalie]

Some men, I mean, you just don't speak like this. And now all of a sudden, you, like, woke up and decided to start calling it the shitter and saying it.

[Nick]

As ironic that you're coming at me right now for this.

[Natalie]

You say bathroom.

[Nick]

I do. I do.

[Sierra]

I say, he's trying something new.

[Nick]

I say, I'm going to the bathroom.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Nick]

I'm just calling a spade a spade. When you're watching these shows and Jax.

[Heather McMahon]

Taylor, for example, loves to go to the bathroom with the toilet or the door open.

[D]

Well, he's a menace to soc, lady.

[Nick]

What am I saying wrong?

[Natalie]

I just don't love, like, calling a toilet a. Like, that just feels like very aggressive, unfair to toilets. Well, it's like other things happen in there. You throw up in there. You pee in there, throw up, you.

[G]

Plus tampons in there.

[Natalie]

Tampons in there. Some do, some don't. You know, we can start that up again if we feel like it.

[Nick]

Well, men sitting at. Fine, I'll be specific. I don't want to normalize men sitting on toilets in front of their partners.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I think you're talking back about the Based on a True Story show that we started watching where Kaley Cuoco walked into the bathroom.

[Nick]

One example of a scene in a show where they are just, like, they want you to think this is normal behavior. And we need, like, people like Nicole Kidman to give, like, relationship advice, which is like, just shit by yourself.

[Heather McMahon]

Keep some element of mystery. It works wonders in relationships.

[Natalie]

I love how when people try to be like, no. Well, we're just like, that close. That's how close we are. And it's like, good for you.

[Heather McMahon]

Talk to me in two years.

[D]

Keith Irving did not write the song Somebody like you just for Nicole Kidman to watch him. Shit.

[Nick]

Also like you. It's like when you have a tummy ache. I'm just like you. I'm like you.

[Natalie]

Also the double shower head. I mean, we are taking a page out of that book for the lake house. Nick was like, we need 14 shower heads.

[Nick]

Well, when we were that, I will say, I mean, we're gonna have some fun because we are remodeling so it's a lot of, like. It's. It's like, choose your own adventure. We're very, you know, so it's a lot of. I've never done this before. So they call it selects. You get to pick whatever you want. So we're picking our. Our master bathroom. And then I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure. Like, tile. And then they were just like, well, which shower head do you want? I'm like, well, I guess I want this shower head. And they're like, but then you can have, like, these. Well, wait. I'm like, wait. We get. This is the moment of my life.

[Sierra]

Body jets.

[Nick]

Wait. The moment in my life where I kind of always imagine, like, how many shower heads I would have if I got to build my own shower. Like, this is that moment we're in right now. And they're like, yes, only.

[Emily Baker]

Yes.

[Nick]

I want walls and jets, and I want it coming up from every angle. I want to walk into the shower, be blasted with water from every angle.

[D]

Pummeled.

[Nick]

Absolutely pummeled.

[Natalie]

Absolutely demolished.

[Nick]

Only reason I'm standing up is because the water pressure from the other side is keeping me up from the side of the water that's trying to blow me over.

[D]

You should put a slip and slide in there.

[Nick]

I, I, I might. I might. Anyways, we're very excited. That's a car wash. Yeah. So super fun. Yeah. We'll have lots of showers. Yeah.

[D]

Shout out. Shout out.

[Nick]

Nicole Kman. Thanks for the.

[D]

She is baby girl.

[Nick]

She's the baby girl.

[Natalie]

I need to see that movie, but I will not go to the movie theater to watch that movie. That feels wrong, and that feels like not a movie where people need to be, like, sitting beside strangers. And I've never seen it, so I don't know what goes on. But I did hear our good friends Erica and Scott say that they went to the movie theater to watch it, and there were people around them, like, making noises and like.

[G]

Like groaning.

[Sierra]

Absolutely.

[Natalie]

Like, moaning. And they were like, I feel like that's like that in the comfort of your own home, not at the anc.

[Nick]

They were just like, I don't.

[Natalie]

You don't need to reenact. But, yeah, they were.

[G]

I will say, news flash for people doing things in movie theaters is there are cameras inside of the actual theaters.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[G]

So they can see everything you're doing.

[Natalie]

I wish you would have told that to teenage me.

[G]

Well, they might have. Well, no. Yeah, they probably had cameras back then.

[Nick]

I don't know if they did. Yeah. Middle school where, like, the last three minutes of the movie, you'd roll over and start making out with your middle school.

[Heather McMahon]

Last three minutes.

[Nick]

Sorry. You call you horny kids who are making out the whole movie. I wanted to get my money's worth first.

[D]

I've never.

[Nick]

I was like, I paid $5. I gotta watch the mask.

[D]

I sit my ass down and listen. Exactly.

[Natalie]

No, mine was a, we should go and get, like, snacks. And then it was like, let's make out by the door.

[Emily Baker]

Oh, by the door.

[G]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I felt like the people watching the movie didn't need to see a couple of teenagers, like, making out. So I. We. We took it to the hallway.

[D]

So, like, you would see Baby Girl if you saw people, like, making out.

[Natalie]

In the hallway after. Okay, I don't need to see anyone doing anything in a movie theater. That is.

[Nick]

Why is this, like, NC17 rated? What is this Baby Girl rated?

[Natalie]

It's an erotic thriller.

[D]

I don't know. I feel like it's like people used to see horny movies all the time, and now horny movies are such a big deal. I don't know.

[G]

Yeah, it's rated R. The headlines make it seem like it's very erotic.

[Heather McMahon]

I've seen, like, people talking about reviews, and they were like, it is very, very spicy.

[D]

I don't know. There's a new Sky Ferreira song in it, so that's exciting.

[Nick]

Who?

[G]

Oh, she returned singer.

[D]

She did return Sky Ferreira. Is that how you say your last name?

[G]

Ferreira something?

[D]

Yeah.

[Nick]

All right, well, as we mentioned at the top of the show, Justin Baldoni is now suing the New York Times, and he filed a complaint with a lot of receipts. There were definitely a lot of text messaging threads and things like that. So, like, last week, we have Emily Baker with us to break it all down and just kind of tell. Tell us what's up. So let's bring on Emily.

[Emily Baker]

Hello. Hello.

[Nick]

Oh, hello. Long time no chat. Emily. How are you?

[Emily Baker]

Oh, it's. It's been too long. The law doesn't stop.

[Nick]

I know. Well, I wish it would because, honestly, we recorded last week. It was New Year's week. We took some time off, as many people did over the New Year's break, and then Justin filed his suit. So anyways, here we are. We wanted to bring you back. Emily. I've read all three complaints, so I am curious. Just first question, what is your first, like, overall takeaway of Justin's lawsuit against the New York Times? Now, how do you see the story as a whole, having read all of the complaints?

[Emily Baker]

I mean, first Lawyer thoughts were interesting that they're filing this in California. That was my initial thought with this, because now we have the California lawsuit against the New York Times by Baldoni at all. We have the employment law complaint from Blake Lively, then we have Lively's lawsuit in New York, and then we have the PR company's lawsuit in New York. So we've got two filed lawsuits in New York, one filed lawsuit in California, and one pending litigation regarding employment in California. So that was the first, like, interesting choice to sue the New York Times in California. Then it was a, hey, these are screenshots of text messages, not a celebrate extraction of text messages. Which is interesting because they're saying things were, you know, left out, things were cherry picked. And of course, in a complaint, things are going to be cherry picked, as I'm sure they've done with theirs. But the heart of that is that they are suing the New York Times, saying, the New York Times defame them. And when you're dealing with public figure defamation, they've got to prove that the New York Times was reckless in misrepresenting the truth. And that's why they've got the false light and the defamation in there. But that's why they're leaning so heavily into the text messages saying, look, there was more context here. They used a lot of this defamation suit to fire back at Lively's allegations. I think when you read it, sometimes you can forget that the New York Times is really the target of the lawsuit because it uses a lot of the lawsuit to talk about both Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, which is not surprising given the statements that the lawyer made saying they're going to countersue and they just filed their own suit in California. That's going to face some jurisdictional hurdles before we even get off the ground.

[Nick]

I've read some things out there, both people who are pro Justin or pro Blake speculating that Justin, his team really want to fight this in the court of public opinion. And that filing in, in LA seems to give them a chance to do that because the implication was they'll never win this case against the New York Times. And they seemingly know that. But to your point, they really want to get their version of the story out. And when they want to release these screenshots and text messages, et cetera, et cetera. Do you see it that way or how did you interpret that?

[Emily Baker]

I mean, all of the lawsuits that we've seen so far serve a public relations purpose as well, right? They are all written with quite a lot of screenshots you can write a very bare bones complaint. And I've covered cases like that, too. These are not bare bones complaints. These are very narrative driven, very much telling a side of the story. But both complaints do that. It's not just this complaint's coming and doing that. Everything we've seen has done that. What's interesting is that in the Baldoni against the New York Times lawsuit, they actually filed a notice of errata, which is a very formal legal way of saying, hey, we need to change a few things. And they took out some of the text messages that were in the original filing, saying that they were asked to remove them due to reporter privilege. And I was like, somebody was unhappy with how this got filed and exactly what texts were in there. Because the legal team immediately followed a. Or filed not a retraction, but a remedy for some of those in. In the Los Angeles court, which was interesting.

[Nick]

Make sure I'm understanding you. Justin's original complaint that he filed against the New York Times in the state of California has since been changed, has.

[Emily Baker]

Since been amended by his legal team. And the notice was, hey, some of these things are covered by privilege. And we were asked to remove them.

[Nick]

Do we know what those changes were?

[Emily Baker]

I can pull it up. It was page 14, 16, and one of the other ones. What was hard to tell with some of these text messages is who they were talking to, because they did put in like, Editor 1, Editor 2. And so they already redacted some of the information out, but there were several pages that they removed. Messages on page 14 was one of them. And that is multiple screenshots with somebody named Leslie Sloan. And then There was page 16 and another page as well.

[Nick]

Leslie Sloan, I believe, is Blake's publicist, if I'm getting that right. I saw a lot of things online, especially for people who seem to be supporting Justin. A lot of statements like his complaint has way more evidence. I saw that a lot. It's like, oh, he's got way more receipts. Speaking to the number of alleged, I guess, screenshots. How did you compare the quote, unquote evidence in these complaints? Is that even an accurate description of them? Yeah. And so is it a matter of more versus quality? You know, how did you see the evidence that was laid out in both complaints?

[Emily Baker]

I. Especially when we're at the complaint stage. Look, lawsuits are allegations and shade, you can't be sued over what you say in a lawsuit for defamation because they are privileged documents. So people are going to lay out their side of the story in the light most favorable to them. And I always look at it through that lens as does this paint things in the light most favorable to the person telling the story? The number of text messages doesn't persuade me one way or the other because there is so much that we don't know. The reason I think they put in so many is because their argument against the New York Times is they had all this information, so they skewed the story and they did so recklessly, which when you're talking about public figure defamation, you've got that extra element versus people who are not in the public eye. So they have to show that the New York Times went above and beyond to recklessly disregard the truth. So they're going to put all of that in there to show that the New York Times is disregarding the truth. It serves the dual purpose of also responding to what is in Blake Lively's complaint and taking aim at that. And the complaint Blake Lively filed in the, not the New York one, but in the California civil rights board that we talked about more thoroughly was just showing a base level of what the complaint is to the California board. It wasn't. I mean, it also showed the public that because it was given to the New York Times. But we know that there are thousands and thousands of text messages. So there's much that we as the public don't know on either side. But I never total up and be like, well, you put 10 in your complaint, you put 20, so that's more. Because it's. Everything is going to be cherry picked in the light most favorable to the people who are showing it. And I think both complaints are a good reminder that there are going to be multiple sides to any story in a lawsuit. And this is a long way from done. But Baldoni's team has picked a fight with a very difficult plaintiff. I wonder if we will see them filing the counterclaim that they had talked about to Blake Lively's New York lawsuit down the road.

[Nick]

And what would that all that mean?

[Emily Baker]

Suing the New York Times in California is going to be difficult. They might not even get to discovery on that. New York Times is going to make challenges regarding venue like, hey, you can't sue us in California. This isn't the right spot. New York Times is going to make arguments of maybe, hey, this is slap protected. Which when you get into anti slap lawsuits, it's strategic litigation against public participation. Those laws are very strong in California. They run hand in hand with defamation because those lawsuits are to stop someone from speaking. And the New York Times can say, we're just giving appropriate comment. You don't even get to go to discovery. So the lawsuit might end before it begins. That can be a year and a half, two years of litigation before the litigation even really starts of determining either jurisdiction or if it will get thrown out early on in the proceedings. So that lawsuit is a difficult road in California. It would be difficult in New York, too, because New York has really strong laws protecting the media and reporters. So the plaintiff being the New York Times is a good vehicle to tell the story about Blake before they file a counter claim against Blake Lively. But I don't know how far it's going to go as to the New York Times, and I don't know if they even want to get to discovery about the New York Times. That's going to be a very expensive and difficult and protracted litigation to. To fight in California courts.

[Nick]

I mean, I guess anyone can sue anyone for anything. But you predicted last week, you accurately predicted that their initial claim wouldn't be against Blake. It would be an entity like the New York Times or the publicity firm. What made you suspect that and what do you predict Justin' lawsuit against Blake would be if he invest eventually files that?

[Emily Baker]

I don't know if I have to predict too much about what they're going to do next, because even in this complaint against the New York Times, they said this is the first of numerous lawsuits. So when it comes to the lawsuit with the PR team, I think we'll see a counterclaim there for breach of contract, breach of confidentiality, breach of non disclosure. We've already seen hints of that in this lawsuit where Baldoni wayfarer at all. All of the plaintiffs are saying, look, our PR person had a non disclosure and shouldn't have disclosed these text messages. Was it disclosed to. To a proper subpoena? A lot of NDAs do have a clause that say with proper legal process, you can be forced to turn over certain documents, but you have a duty to protect those as much as you can and not turn them over. So there will be a fight with the PR team in some way. I suspect whether it's over how those text messages were gotten or whether it is a breach of conduct, breach of contract, breach of NDA with them. Will he file a counterclaim against Blake Lively? It's possible, especially with the allegations that these meetings didn't take place the way that Blake Lively said they did and that Justin Baldoni said he felt attacked and harassed by Ryan Reynolds. I don't know if he'll try to bring that in as a intentional infliction of emotional distress type of a claim, or whether it will come in as breach of contract claims, saying that Lively tried to take over the production and that was a breach of contract. So him and the production studios will countersue her in New York, which we could see as well. I don't think we're done with things being filed, and we are going to be probably in these lawsuits for a number of years. I'd be surprised if we weren't. The New York Times is going to fight like hell over discovery because they don't want to turn over all of their conversations. I imagine on the Lively side, they are also going to fight over discovery, and there's going to be a big fight with PR on how all this text messages got turned over.

[Nick]

Wow, fascinating stuff. Have you just. I mean, obviously you've broken this down very well from a lawyer standpoint. What opinions have you formed reading all these complaints in terms of how do you see what's going on?

[Emily Baker]

Again, I think it highlights that you don't know how a different people perceive different things. But not everything said in Blake's lawsuit is portrayed differently. In Baldoni's lawsuit. Some of those text messages are portrayed the same way. So when you're trying to sue the New York Times saying you skewed it, the New York Times is going to come back and say, well, there's two interpretations of anything they're trying to say. Oh, there's a emoji missing. It's like, well, normally in Celebrate Distractions with an emoji, you would see like a square box or a placeholder. But that depends on what version of Celebrate you're using and what version of the iOS the cell phone has. Like, is that the gotcha moment of the world? No. It's probably explained by the way that the cellebrite extraction happens. And what is it for?

[Nick]

For the people who don't know what that is, what is that? Because I didn't, you know, when I'm reading this, I was wondering, is that a big deal that these emojis are missing? They certainly wanted to make it seem like it was. But then I was asking, you know, why are some of these messaging looking green? And why does some of these look like it's iOS? So it's just the tool that they're using to extract these messages.

[Emily Baker]

The messages in Blake Lively's complaint that we have seen come from a data extraction tool from those cell phones. So the cell phone from the PR company was digitally extracted with an extraction, forensic extraction, tool that we see in all kinds of cases that I cover, criminal cases, civil cases, what have you. Those are thought to be more secure, but sometimes there are quirks in the way things download and those are normally explained by the person who downloaded them saying, it's a known issue that emojis download as a square box or not at all, depending on the version of Celebrate and the version of the iOS, because iOS is update all the time and the software takes a little bit more time to update. So that's why the ones in Blake's suit look different. You can always tell with the Celebrate because it has additional information. It doesn't look like a screenshot where the Baldoni text messages are clearly screenshots of text messages put into the lawsuit. They are not a forensic digital extraction at this point, though I'm sure they'll get one. But screenshots can also be changed because you can go onto your phone and delete or unsend messages and then take a screenshot of it. So can things be manipulated both ways? Yes. The only way to really answer that is to have the physical phone and the extraction and compare them all together, which will happen in discovery very far down the road.

[Nick]

While reading Justin's complaint and then comparing it to Blake's complaint, there were certainly some moments in Justin's complaint that seemed to attempt to address some of the accusations in Blake's complaint. The denial from the PR agencies saying, well, this wasn't our story, that wasn't our story seemed to want to address the accusation that they had a smear campaign and then there was the whole, like, pumping and things like that. But there also seem to be a lot of other instances and accusations from the blank complaint that weren't addressed in Justin's complaint. The text message that had the entire scope of work from Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel, that was in Blake's complaint that, like, talked about their rates, talked about the strategy they wanted to implement, talked about the importance of not being discovered, talked about the importance of this all flying under the radar. How did you see it?

[Emily Baker]

Well, they're serving different purposes, so I really treat the two separately. Yes. In the court of public opinion, they are both trying to serve a narrative. And again, complaints are written to paint the picture that is filing the complaint for the person filing it in the light most favorable. They are also trying to show specific instances of where the New York Times got it wrong. So they're not going to point out the things that are a closer call or the things that don't help them. They're going to say, hey, you said we did this and we're planning all these stories and here's a text message saying we weren't. And New York Times, you had those and you disregarded the truth in this and painted this false narrative. So it has to serve for Baldoni, it has to serve that purpose of supporting the lawsuit that they're filing. But they also put in a lot of, see, our story in the media is true. Blake did take over production. Blake did cut Justin out of these things. There were tensions that aren't explained by the harassment and the alleged retaliation in the lawsuit. All of those things aren't true. And the New York Times disregarded all the things that proved that they weren't true. And the New York Times is going to come in and say exactly what you're saying, Nick. Well, there's two ways to interpret that. Just because you were invited into a trailer once while somebody's pumping doesn't mean that you also didn't walk in when you weren't invited at another time when someone was breastfeeding. Those are different things and this is why these things are going to take, take quite a while to parse out. But when you look at lively suit, the HR stuff is the most interesting really to me on that should be well documented. Lots of people were at these meetings. The Baldoni suit seems to say no. We felt strong armed and so we had to agree to these things that we don't really agree with. And that back and forth, I think is going to play out across several lawsuits if they file a counter claim in the New York suit. So how do I see all of it? We're just at the tip of the iceberg with all these parties pointing the finger at the other one. That's, that's where we're at.

[Natalie]

I want to talk timeline a little bit because I feel like in Justin's complaint it was a lot of screenshots and text messages with no, like date, no, like when this happened. I guess they just don't include that to what, favor his complaint or favor her complaint.

[Emily Baker]

It's interesting the way they edited some of the texts in that they tried to track who was having the conversation. So we don't, I don't see the names. And it might be that those were phone numbers and they redacted out phone numbers by covering over them with black boxes and, and telling you who it is. Those are all things that are going to have to be brought to the court. Screenshots aren't going to do it they're going to have to be digital extractions, and those will have the dates in there. But, yeah, some of those texts are very vague as to time when they are. But the purpose of those being in here is, see, the New York Times said they had it, because in the article, the New York Times said, we reviewed thousands of text messages, and this complaint is saying, well, did you review this one? And if you reviewed this one, don't you know that what you're printing isn't true? Because this exists? So they're trying to point out those instances of, well, if you reviewed this, how do you come to that conclusion? And I think the other side of that, after reading the other complaints is, well, we don't know when that is. And then there's questions to be asked of all of the lawsuits really, is how did all the parties perceive what was going on? And that's why civil lawsuits can get. Get very ugly very fast, especially in the court of public opinion. Because you read Blake's suit first or the complaint that was released by the New York Times first, and then you read Baldoni. So it's easier to say, well, what about this? What about this, what about this? Where if those had dropped in different order, then you would be looking at Blake's suit vis a vis Baldoni's narrative. So when the first one drops, it's easy to kind of check the first one against the second one instead of the other way around because of the timing of which they dropped, which the first person to sue definitely has an advantage, and that is a strategic choice. Baldoni's lawsuit's not wrong when they said these weren't public documents and they were given to the New York Times. They absolutely were. It's just by who we know for what purpose. And Blake's team is going to say, well, right, because you've been running amok on social media with the campaign, destroying her reputation. So we had to do something. And his team's going to say, we were just acting responsively. Of course we had to do something. So the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle. I think somebody should just release all of the text messages. I'll go through them. I mean, you know, if any of the attorneys want independent review of the text messages, just release them all.

[Nick]

I imagine there's a lot more potential evidence than just text messages. I mean, even Justin's lawyer said, hey, we want to release all the messages between him and Blake. You know, there's also witnesses potentially involved here, especially when it comes to Blake's. Complaint, I assume it's also just not about the text messages.

[Emily Baker]

There's a lot we don't know. And with HR process on a film set, there's clearly HR process on a film set. But this is why things have to go to court. Because you have the text messages, for example, in Baldon's lawsuit saying, oh, yeah, you know, the editors felt this way or that way. Well, they can say one thing to Baldoni in text messages because they still would like to work with him in the future, though that might not be what they say if they're testifying in a deposition or in court. So that's why these things have process to go through court. Because just because you say it in a text message doesn't mean it's necessarily 100% true or it's what you're thinking. And that's what Baldoni suit was trying to point out. Hey, saying, you know, this was a great piece with the upside down emoji. That means sarcasm. I don't know. Does it?

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Emily Baker]

Does it not mean sarcasm? Does it mean, like, look at us, we've turned the world upside down? Who knows? But that's, that's why this is the jumping off point before people go to court. And that's why our court process works in. In questions. Because then it's asking the editor, so, did you say this because you want to still work with Wayfarer? Did you say this because you want to work on the next movie? Did you say this because this is how you felt? Did you say it because you would like to work with Ryan Reynolds down the road or Blake Lively? Like, why did you say these things? And also the things people will say in text message they think are never going to be seen is very different than what they might say under oath.

[Nick]

Or is it possible that someone sent a text message, assuming it might be seen? I only said it because, like, Nathan and Abel are text messaging back and forth saying, well, this story wasn't us. I can't believe they thought the story was us. We learned from, again, some of these other text messages that we saw, the importance of not being seen or not looking like, like they were sending messages. There were also messages talking about, we can't have people reading messages from just Justin asking us to destroy someone. Is it entirely possible that they sent messages back and forth to each other denying an activity that they could have been guilty of? So it looked like they were denying it? I mean, that's also possible.

[Emily Baker]

Absolutely. And the timing of that, that's where the timing of the text becomes important. Because what we saw in the Jones work lawsuit is that that relationship was deteriorating. So were those text messages happening as that work relationship was deteriorating and they thought their boss was disagreeing with how they were doing things? There's layers of that question too. Knowing that there was also the Jones work part of it with a work relationship with the PR agents that was deteriorating and the allegations of, you know, some of the publicists planting a negative story about Jones work and then Jones work saying they were stealing clients. So if you know that your boss can see your text messages and your boss doesn't agree with what you're doing, are those also maybe not for public cover, but for work cover? And you just don't know without A, the timing of all of it and B, the entire story, which we clearly don't have because there are multiple sides to any story, which is why when you cover the law, you've got to look at, you've got to look at the, the initial allegations and go, what are the questions here and will they be answered down the road? And that's how I approach all of the lawsuits. What questions am I left with from, from Blake's complaint, what and lawsuit now in New York? What questions am I left with from Baldoni's and what's not being answered? And I think, you know, you guys asked some great questions. What's the timing of these text messages? Who are these two? What, what phone was Abel using for these? Was it the work one? Was it the new number? When did this all start to go down? And was this after Blake had raised the red flags about being concerned about what was going on with the other PR team? What was going on in the media at that time? And you can't know without the dates on those things.

[Natalie]

What did you make of Justin's lawyer going on the Today show and having that little interview where he says Justin 100% never wanted to hurt Blake. But we do have the screenshot of Justin sending the Hailey Bieber text tweet thread saying this is what we would need to do to her?

[Emily Baker]

I think Brian Friedman is a very media savvy attorney, so I'm not surprised that he is going to continue to support the things, things that we have seen. Here's where you see the good and the bad with media savvy attorneys. Brian Friedman's statements have been a hundred percent consistent across the board. His initial statement is mirrored in this lawsuit. His statements in the media are mirrored in this lawsuit. He is very good at staying on message. And he has done that incredibly well. So am I surprised that he said that? No. Is that going to come back to really impact him? Not really, because he's advocating for his client in something that's very public. And he's going to continue to say, yeah, but they made it public first by disclosing an administrative complaint that never would have seen the light of day to the New York Times. So I'm not surprised by that at all. They are on the legal slash PR fight with this because of that New York Times article, which I don't doubt was damaging. That's the one thing that I don't think is going to be hard in this lawsuit with the New York Times is to show there's been some reputational damage. The New York Times will turn around and say, say you did it to yourself. The same way that Baldoni is turning around, looking at Blake Lively, saying, well, you did it to yourself. So it's going to be a lot of finger pointing and we will see what shakes out. What juries find persuasive oftentimes is the third parties. So what's going to matter in these lawsuits the most is what the other people on set had to say, what the reps from Sony had to say, what people a little more removed had to say. That's really what's going to turn the tide on this if it ever sees the light of a trial. But even in depositions, those will be the critical voices in this lawsuit.

[Nick]

Kind of like we talked about last week, too. It's just like we'll see who. Who has the most support.

[Emily Baker]

And we've seen publicly quite a lot of support for Lively, though. Baldoni's team made a point of putting in text messages that were incredibly supportive of him. And I don't think we've seen, again, we've been on break. I don't think we've seen anyone in the media coming out and saying, yeah, those text messages were supportive because this is what's going on on set, unless I missed it, which just entirely possible. Whatever happened on this set, it wasn't great. And I think that that much is clear, that this movie didn't go down the way anybody thought that it would when they undertook the filming of this movie. So it'll be interesting to see how that moves forward with a sequel.

[Nick]

Now that Justin's complaint is out there, the main narrative against Blake is really just all about, she was difficult, she was hard to work with, she was doing this. And that really seems to Land with a lot of people online, you know, know, why do you think that is?

[Emily Baker]

It's so interesting because I was recently watching a TED Talk with a study that was done, I think, at Columbia, where business students, master's level business students were given a brief on a company, and it was a female CEO and they had changed the name. Half the class got the female CEO's name, and half the class got a male version of the CEO's name. And then they asked for perception on how the company was run. And then they asked questions of likability. Would you work for this person? How effective are they in the role? And the exact same case file when it had a female indicating name was, this isn't somebody I want to work with. This is somebody who's too aggressive. This is somebody that pushes too hard. And when it had a more male name, it was, this is somebody who's a strong leader. This is somebody who I would want to work for. This is somebody who does what needs to get done in business. So there are a lot of really societal undercurrents when women step out of a more traditional role and aren't maybe as soft public facing and show up a bit stronger. And I don't think Blake Lively's not soft public facing, but when women do, they tend to be chastised for it a lot more than men when they exhibit the same behavior because the expectations of women are different. So saying a woman is difficult, people are like, yeah, she. She must be real difficult. And it might be that she just asked for her workplace to be an appropriate workplace, which. Which isn't a difficult request. But I don't know how many of y'all in the room have been called difficult because you've, like, set a reasonable boundary or just asked somebody to not do something that was inappropriate.

[Nick]

So, yeah, I mean, it really seems to be landing with a lot of people online. If you're believing Justin's side, a lot of the arguments are, you know, she took over the project. She, you know, just her ego is so big. And I'm thinking, well, if you believe her side, then. And that explains why she would have taken over. It would have explained why she brought her husband in. It would explain why her husband is upset and defending her. Like, if you believe that these allegations are true, that explains why Blake did what she did. If Blake was difficult to work with, it doesn't explain his alleged behavior. And that seems to be a huge disconnect from on my side of things.

[Emily Baker]

Also, are there a list celebrities that aren't a little bit. It difficult. And is it difficult or is it just, hey, I've got boundaries to do the work that I need to do. I don't know. I don't work on film sets. I work for myself. But I just have questions.

[Natalie]

I also think it's like, as women, I think it's very rare for us to feel 100% safe. One thing I said in our vows, I say it to Nick all the time. It's one of the. The biggest reasons why I love him so much and why I wanted to marry him and have children with him is because he makes me feel safe. Safe. I feel safe. I feel protected. And I think as women, that's something that, you know, we look for. We, you know, feel comfortable in. And I think a lot of times it's not natural to us to be. To feel safe.

[Emily Baker]

Right.

[Natalie]

Walking to our car at night, do. Having a jog, going to check the mail. Like, there's just a lot of easy places where you don't feel safe. And I think Justin, for me, sold the idea to Blake that he was safe and that he would create a safe environment. And he sold that idea to her and then switched it and completely made it unsafe and her uncomfortable, went against her trust and. And just, like, did all of these things to completely flip the script. And it's like, that's why it's. It's very jarring for a lot of these Justin fans to believe any of this is because he's, like, sold this as his brand of, like, I create safe spaces for women. And clearly, you know, he didn't. And I don't know. That's. That's the hardest part for me.

[Emily Baker]

He's saying that he did. And so that's where. That's where that push pull is. He's saying, no, this. There wasn't harassment, there's not retaliation, that this is her scheming really, to take over the project. And that's the underlying of their look at what she's reaching for. She wants the producer guild designation. She's. She's plotting with her and her husband.

[Natalie]

But how does he explain all the other cast and crews who. Who complained against him?

[Emily Baker]

And they're saying in their complaint, and this is again, going off of their complaint, they're saying that there was only one other complaint. So that's what they said in their suit against the New York Times, that there was one un. You know, unverified if it went to HR or not, but one complaint of ageism by a crew member they said that's the only complaint they have. Again, that's going to be pretty easy to prove. Whether there were or if they there weren't, that's going to be something that's not difficult to bring to light.

[Nick]

There'll be other witnesses event if they.

[Emily Baker]

Proceed with this and there will likely be process and, and emails and conversations and people who can come forward and say yes, I did make this complaint. I think where that's really difficult in Hollywood is that when the industry can be so incredibly small, especially for crew, that coming forward to complain in, in a deposition with your name attached can be difficult down the road to look for work. And I think people are very mindful of that. Everything that went wrong on this set, it seems, is going to play out in court and we're going to have to wait and see what happens. But yes, not everything in Blake's complaint is addressed here. But again they have to respond to what the New York Times knew and did not to what Blake is saying in the employment lawsuit.

[Nick]

I guess we will all see how it, how it plays out. I mean I'm obviously with Natalie. For me it's just like to believe Justin side of the story. You have to assume that two people, Blake and Ryan, who generally have been fairly private people up until now. Shortly after giving birth to her fourth kid. I only say that because usually parents who are like parents who you have young childs are promoting like peace and tranquility and all that stuff. But you have to assume around this time instead of doing that and like maintain their relatively private lives in the messiest possible way, they decided to hijack and take over a project and basically get a bunch of co conspirators be willing to make false accusations, get a bunch of people also to stand by those accusations. Get Sony to also stand by those accusations. Or that Justin Baldoni, the guy who made his whole platform about highlighting, promoting, you know, using your privilege and identify your privilege. So he used that privilege to highlight women as a co founder of the company that owned the rights of this movie. When had the opportunity to, to hire a director of the movie, hired himself. And then you just have to think that maybe the guy who claims to be the guy that he is isn't the guy that he is. But who knows? I could we. We might be wrong.

[Emily Baker]

I'm going to be interested to see. I mean one of the things I talk about with lawsuits is to follow the money. Where is the benefit to Blake Lively? And they've dragged Ryan Reynolds into it too by saying that he, you know, went off on Justin Baldoni in a meeting. But where is the benefit to them? Like, does Blake Lively need a producer credit?

[Nick]

Yeah, this is all over an alleged producer credit. Like, they were willing to put it all on the line.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, so I'm following the money, make these accusations. I. Maybe, I guess. I don't know. It just seems like. Like, why?

[Emily Baker]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the California civil rights complaint we now know that Blake Lively's filed in New York.

[Sierra]

York.

[Emily Baker]

We've got the PR filing in New York, which is going to be a very intricate legal mess. And then we've got this filing against the New York Times, and the New York Times is going to spare no expense to fight this either. So I imagine we will see an unearthing of more information, and we're going to really have to wait and see. But I always, you know, who benefits and how? Where is the money and why? And trying to parse the middle of this somewhere. And two things can be true at once. If Blake was setting boundaries on the set that they found difficult, then maybe they found it difficult. But does that mean that Justin Baldoni came into her trailer at times uninvited? Maybe. Does that mean there were other times when he was invited? Maybe. Does that mean that the New York Times lied about all of this? Maybe not. Because when you sue the New York Times, if they say there's two interpretations, is that defamation or is that opinion.

[Nick]

Also to your point? It's kind of perception, too. In. In Justin's complaint, they showed a screenshot of the alleged birthing video that in Blake's complaint, described as very aggressive, very kind of, maybe not for work content. And in this screen, it's just a screenshot, but it looks very artistic. It looks very well done. But there's clearly a. You know, there's Jamie Heath, I assume maybe he has some swim trunks on, I don't know. But he appears naked kid in a small pool with his wife, who's also naked, giving birth. And yeah, artistic maybe, but, like, it's a video. So you're assuming, like, I don't know, maybe some people might be cool with that. Other people might, like, not appreciate their male co worker showing them a video of their wife giving birth while they're all naked in a small pool. Like. And what's interesting is, like, Justin's complaint is basically making the argument this is all normal, which I find fascinating because it's like, well, I guess if you think this is normal, what else do you think is normal. Normal, you know, and this whole argument seems to be whose versions of normal are more normal in a way?

[Emily Baker]

And I mean, as to the New York Times, it's going to be, is it defamatory or are there reasonable interpretations, which is why defamation is going to be so difficult in this particular case. But yes, it is going to be a. Well, if you're preparing for a birth scene on a movie set, is it normal to review other people giving birth? Or do you look at a woman who was a few months postpartum and be like, ah, you've done this four times. You've. We, we trust you. Like, do you just let it, let it go or do you. Is, does somebody say, hey, what's the inspiration behind the scene? So it's again, what's normal in a real life workplace and what's normal on a movie set is going to differ wildly too. And that's going to come down to what's industry normal? And we saw that in the Rust litigation. What is normal on a set and what's not normal on a set? And is this appropriate for this particular workplace? And Blake says no and Justin says yes. And not knowing the rest of the context of the video, we don't know other than for me. It just seems, seems odd that you would need her to see a video of birth that she didn't ask to see after just giving birth for the fourth time.

[Natalie]

I feel like to convince her to do it nude.

[Heather McMahon]

I can also confirm because I've saw the movie, it's not a water birth.

[Nick]

So also the part about like the, the calling her trainer to ask about her weight and apparently because he has back problems. Is there an orthopedic doctor out there that says do not lift anyone who hasn't lost their baby weight out there, or is it just like a. I mean, it just seems ridiculous. But again, that's just me. I don't know.

[Emily Baker]

You'll find an expert who will come in and say that. You will find an expert that will be paid by one team that will 100 come in and say that that is needed to do stunts. However, I would imagine that the, that the solution on set would be, well, then we need a stunt double. Though what we've seen in Lively's complaint is that there wasn't a scene in the movie that called for that. So then it's, is there a scene in the script that calls for that? Is there not? So you know who they'll bring in? They'll bring in the script supervisor to A deposition that'll last two and a half days to talk about what is and is not in the script. And why couldn't you.

[Nick]

If there's a.

[Emily Baker]

Bring in a stunt double, if there's.

[Nick]

A scream about mental health, you get to call my therapist and check in with him. Like. Like, huh.

[Emily Baker]

No. There's a thing about mental health. Do you know what they do? They send you to a therapist hired by the other side, and then that therapist gets to give an opinion, and then your side hires a therapist, and then your therapist gets to give an opinion, but only if you put your mental health at issue in a lawsuit by claiming that you have suffered emotional distress. And that is why the process is so difficult, because it then goes to forensic psychology. And we saw days and days of battling experts in the Dep. Herd trial with. With forensic psychologist. Because if you put that in issue in a civil suit, then yes, they. The other side gets to pick who you're evaluated by, and then you get to pay for it.

[Nick]

Wow. Emily, thank you so much for breaking this down. I'm sure we'll ask for you to come back. We'll continue to follow the story as it continues to unfold. Wild, wild stuff.

[Emily Baker]

There will be more. I say with everything. Keep an open mind and ask the questions. Just when you evaluate lawsuits, just keep asking questions of all of the lawsuits. What questions does this leave me with? And will those questions be answered? And then work from there. That's how I work through lawsuits. And I think it. It generally serves you well. If you want to. If you want to ask all the questions, ask all the questions of all the sides and it'll shape somewhere in.

[Nick]

The middle to me, questions that haven't been answered. The text messages between Nathan and Abel talking shit and verifying Justin's behavior that hasn't been addressed. The scope of work that Nathan and Abel sent to. Well, Nathan sent it to Abel, who was working for Justin. The whole scope of work. Like, why does a PR team cost $25,000 a month when any other PR team. I think a high rate is like 8 or 10 tops for your top publicist. So, like, even that seems a little fishy. Like, why you know, stuff like that. That's not answered a lot of other questions that I'm still unsure about. But yeah, were.

[Emily Baker]

Were the subpoenas lawful subpoenas or did the PR agent from Jones work? Just be like, sure, here's the cell phone. How did. How does Blake's team know the statement that was allegedly made at the premiere about. I'll pay $1 million. Who heard that and how that all came to light. Also, the rest of the context of these text messages, because again, they say the text messages are missing context. Well, I've got one page of a screenshot what happened. Four screenshots before it and four screenshots after it. And we're just going to have to see.

[Natalie]

And I've got dates and times in one and then everything's washed out from the other. So, yeah, we're missing so much, it feels like.

[Emily Baker]

So we will. We will definitely see, but not anytime soon. People are going to want a resolution on this one by like, February. And this is, this is years of litigation, unfortunately, that's just beginning to unfold.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, because isn't Justin also filing a countersuit, which I would assume would be in New York? So I'm like, like, if there's still more lawsuits being filed, are we going to get a court date for each individual thing? Are they all kind of contingent on each other?

[Emily Baker]

That's a great question. In California, the California lawsuit won't have a trial date till 2027 or later, but there will be a lot of pre litigation or early stage litigation with the New York Times and Baldoni in California. So stuff will move forward in that with a trial date, 2027, 2028 in New York. It won't wait on what's going on in California at all because it's been filed separately. Again, the choice for Lively to file the employment suit in California, then file the lawsuit in New York is interesting to me. And we might see a countersuit filed by Baldoni in that New York lawsuit and in the Jones work New York lawsuit. And then those will all go through separate court processes because Lively's is filed in federal court in New York, which will probably move the fastest. Jones work is filed in state court in New York, which will go slower, but not as slow as California. Baldoni's is filed in state court in California, and then Lively's in California is still in the administrative proceedings. So there are four different things in four different courts, and they're not going to hinge on each other. They might allow them to coordinate discovery for, like, depositions, but we're maybe a year away from those things being even scheduled.

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Nick]

Wow. Stuff. Emily, thank you so much. We appreciate it. As always. Please let my audience know where they can find you.

[Emily Baker]

Absolutely. The lawn art [e-mail] is probably the best way to stay in the loop with everything I'm covering. I am on YouTube streaming Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Unless there's court like this week, where I will be streaming the Supreme Court hearing regarding Tick Tock on Friday. So if you're interested if Tick Tock is getting banned or not. And what questions the Supreme Court none of who probably use TikTok, who had to ask, like, their grandchildren what TikTok is and what questions they have that will be on Friday. So YouTube @The EmilyDbaker is going to keep you all up to speed.

[Nick]

Well, thank you very much. I'll be texting you and asking you because I also am interested.

[Emily Baker]

I will let you know what the. The questions are from the Supreme Court. Lots, lots of. Lots of things happening in the law sphere with this break. I thought everybody would take a break over Christmas. They're like, Christmas Eve lawsuit, New Year's Eve lawsuit.

[Nick]

There we go. True as always. We appreciate you, Emily. Emily, good to see you. All right, bye. Bye.

[Emily Baker]

Bye, guys.

[Nick]

Wow. Well, we love Emily Breaking it down. I mean, you guys know, we're, you know, for the people out there who are just like, why don't you. Like, we obviously we wanted to cover the Justin thing. It doesn't change my opinion about the story. Like I said, talking to Emily, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. Blake, that is.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I think it's interesting that everybody jumped right back to Justin's side as if it was like, they just couldn't be wrong. But I think that, like, what Emily said about keeping an open mind is so important because, like, Natalie mentioned, like, Blake could have been comfortable with Justin in the beginning, and that's why she invited him into her trailer when she was pumping. She could have been covered up at that moment.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, you just have to like to believe his side. You have to assume that Blake and Ryan are willing to throw their entire careers away over this for a producer credit because their egos are. I mean, I guess that's possible. I mean, it's possible that's why they did what?

[Natalie]

Also, knowing this will take years.

[Nick]

Sure. Yeah. But it's just like, why is it so hard to believe that this guy might have been a creep? You know, like, his he did demanded a TED talk about the importance of men recognizing their privilege in order to elevate women. And then when he had a chance to hire a director for this movie, chose himself. To me, there's just a huge disconnect.

[Natalie]

I also think, I mean, going to like, Emily talking about that, like, woman and man boss thing.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Or going into that, I think. I think that ties into. Also, like, Blake and Ryan have very similar senses of humor, and people find Ryan hilarious and they find Blake annoying. And it's like, it's just.

[Nick]

It's just like people over the weekend were arguing. They were arguing about how mad a husband can get when defending his wife. It's like, huh, huh.

[Natalie]

It's just like, like, the headline I read was like, ryan Reynolds berated Justin Baldoni for fat shaming his wife. Like, well, I would hope so. If someone fat shames me. And Nick's like, I'd be like, the, like, you better throw him.

[Nick]

Yeah. Over the weekend, all the, like, the Justin stands were like, oh, my God, I can't believe he would show up to the workplace like this. It's like the guy was. If you. Again, if, if you just are willing to believe some of her accusations, then wouldn't you, you know, the whole argument. Like, wouldn't you, like, what would you have done if you were working with someone who was doing this? Wouldn't. If you were married to someone who also, like, successfully made movies, wouldn't you lean on them? I don't.

[Heather McMahon]

I mean, I agree, but honestly said, it's unfortunate, but the inherent misogyny and it's easier for men to hate women. It's easier for women to hate women. You see it all the time. Who leaves nasty comments on women's Instagram photos? Typically not men.

[Nick]

Well, we will continue to cover the story. We'll see how it goes. Maybe we'll all be totally wrong or not, but we'll continue to follow it up. Next, we have the hilarious Heather McMahon with us to talk all things bravo and just her life. You're gonna laugh your asses off. But first, let's catch you up on some of the latest headlines that happened while you were on break. It's a new year, a new you, and a new home. Wayfair has everything you need to start your year off right. With brand new looks for your kitchen, living room, bedroom, and more. Wayfair. Wayfair is an online retailer that sells a variety of home goods, including furniture, decor, lighting, kitchenware, and bed and bath. Wayfair is the place to shop for all things home. Everything from sofas to spatulas. Wayfair's huge selection of home items make it easy to find exactly what you're looking for. You name it, they have it. They even have stuff for your office, which we took advantage of when we were doing the studio. They were a huge help. And continue to be. Wayfair is the go to destination for everything home, no matter your style or budget. They have a huge selection of home goods ranging from appliances to area rugs to beds to wall art and more. You can get everything you need from your living room, outdoor areas, bedroom and more. Again, the office. It's also great for gifts. No matter what your loved ones are looking for, they literally have it all at Wayfair. Wayfair makes it easy to tackle your New Year's home goals, no matter your budget. Whether you need just a refresh or you need to overhaul your entire look, Wayfair's got you covered. Give your home the refresh it needs with Wayfair. Head over to Wayfair.com right now. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com Wayfair Every style, every home Winter is here. Oh Burr, it's so cold outside. Well, if you need something warm and cozy and quality, you gotta check out Quince. Quince is dominating when it comes to high quality pieces at the most affordable prices.

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[D]

But she secured a second season.

[Nick]

She has secured a second season and.

[D]

I gotta respect that.

[Natalie]

I think he is only committing to her now because she got so popular on the show.

[Nick]

It does. It is giving. She's a star now because remember, in.

[Natalie]

The beginning he was very much like, fuck this bitch. I'm the reason she's on this show.

[D]

We just go to Costco together.

[Natalie]

We're not like, storyline.

[Nick]

Yeah, he literally posted that.

[Heather McMahon]

It was like an unwarranted rant, if you will.

[D]

I hate him.

[Nick]

But you hate. Do you hate to love him or you just, like, hate him?

[Natalie]

No, I don't think there's any love.

[D]

There's no love.

[G]

I mean, the one scene of him and Britney sitting down talking was giving power dynamic.

[D]

He's just like, skeevy and slimy and he makes me this, like, hair on my back and my neck.

[Nick]

Right.

[Natalie]

And it's also like, what you're choosing to post on your own social media shows me that that's who you are in real life more so than, like, what we see on an edited reality TV show. So it's like the fact that he, he. Well, this whole thing that we're talking about shows that, like, we see that he's texting her like, I love you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he goes on social media and tries to air out and be like, she's nothing. I'm the reason she's on the show. She's using me for a storyline, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, are some kind of mean things to say about someone.

[Nick]

And it's definitely given, like, now that she is a big reality TV star, it's Definitely giving, like, now I'm going to give you what you want so that he can maintain control of the relationship. And I feel like it's going to be a lot of him. Like, well, now I'm dating you and I'm doing this and this is what I need from you to still be in this relationship. And like, I'm. It's gonna be a constantly, you know, Jared's just like securing his position of power.

[Heather McMahon]

I was gonna say it's securing status and finally seeing her at his level. Because while she was embarrassing herself, that's when he was releasing this. That is not my girlfriend. She's using me now. Everyone's like, team Britney. Or at least find her hysterical. And now it's like introducing my beautiful girlfriend.

[G]

She's an angel.

[Heather McMahon]

Have you seen that before?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[D]

He presents to me as a little mini John Jansen, housewife chaser. Power hungry.

[Natalie]

Yeah, Yeah, I see a little JJ in him for sure.

[Nick]

Yeah, he's a. He's a housewife chaser.

[D]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

What is going on with Jennifer, Aiden and Jersey Mike's girl?

[G]

I know, but I wish I didn't know. Basically, she was at an airport. Jersey Mike's.

[Nick]

And do you know which airport?

[Natalie]

Gotta be lax. That Jersey Mike's right there in the delta.

[G]

I'll look into it.

[Nick]

But basically, I bet it's la.

[G]

Well, so she basically, from what we know, and we'll go through the different sides of that. She ordered her sandwiches with her family. She made changes to the order, and then eventually they were like, look, you have to get back in line to like replace orders. So she whipped out her phone and starts recording the employees.

[Natalie]

Oh, dear God.

[Nick]

But. But what kind of substitution after you.

[G]

Order requires you get, I'm assuming getting a whole new sandwich or changing like the bread or the actual recipe or something.

[Natalie]

They're not being like, hey, no olive oil. They're being like, hey, actually, no provolone. Add this, add that, add this, put this on it and add this, that.

[Heather McMahon]

You'Re also at the airport. So I got chaos.

[D]

Jersey Mike's, which is so streamlined of the options that you can put on that sandwich.

[Nick]

You know, I haven't been to a Jersey Mike's in a minute, so I'm not familiar with their. Their ordering process.

[G]

You should watch her video. She'll catch you up to see.

[Nick]

She brought up the video. Huh?

[G]

So she's. Yeah, she's recording them.

[Nick]

I really thought she was in there. You really. Yeah, I always get a kick out of those. Like, people bring out the Videos. Because in that moment, you know, that person thinks they are so wrong. Right?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, she was like, I'm from Jersey. I know what the sandwich should be like. How dare you? How dare you.

[G]

So she kind of touches on that, but she's like, they took our order and then they took the lady's order that was after me. But they fulfilled her order first somehow made us wait. Everything was slow. We're not complaining. We get it. It's early in the morning, you're in a bad mood. It's New Year's, you're working. I'd be pissed too. It was like kind of the through line of what she said.

[Nick]

But here's a video of them doing it.

[G]

She's recording them and herself. Like it's like. Like a Karen moment, you know? So then one of the Jersey Mike's employees who was in the video posted her own TikTok saying, I really hope this stupid bitch has TikTok. I really hope I come up on your for you page, bitch. I really hope you recognize me not.

[Nick]

Knowing this was a housewife.

[G]

I think she knew.

[Nick]

I mean, I don't think she knew.

[G]

Maybe not, but then she probably said.

[D]

I was on the Real Housewives of New Jersey.

[Nick]

There's no way Jersey Max employee was that coy enough to be like, I don't know if this bitch has a tiny tick tock. She would have been like, she has good.

[Natalie]

She probably thinks she's an older woman who doesn't have a tick tock.

[Nick]

Yeah, exactly.

[Natalie]

I don't think she thinks so.

[G]

The Jersey Mike's person claimed that Jennifer Aiden doesn't know what she wants when ordering four different sandwiches and changing the bread last minute. The employee and her co workers were apparently fulfilling the adjustments until Aiden allegedly started backing up the entire line. Workers then told the New Jersey star that she needed to get back in line if she was going to continue adding sandwiches. Witches. She starts tweaking. The employee claimed, alleging that Aiden said I'm a celebrity and claimed she was going to sue. She starts recording all of us and she posts. Learn how to order.

[Natalie]

I would.

[D]

She threatened to sue.

[Nick]

Which one's Jennifer?

[G]

She's the one that got smacked in the face with the glass. She's friends with Teresa Giudice.

[Heather McMahon]

Can you pull it up?

[D]

This is not Mike's way.

[G]

She's married to the. The botched guy. No, not Botcher. She married to the plastic surgeon. Join.

[Nick]

You're. You're.

[D]

It's just like you are at a Jersey Mike's in The airport.

[Nick]

Oh, her.

[Heather McMahon]

Huh?

[D]

And if you keep adding. In any situation, if you just keep adding on sandwiches and changes, like, anyone would want to kill you.

[Natalie]

But it's also like, the woman behind you got her sandwich first, probably because it was one sandwich and you ordered four. Like, that's gonna take a little longer. Also, wheat is more expensive than white. So, like, if you change it to wheat, you gotta pay the extra 80 cents.

[Emily Baker]

Yeah. Yes.

[Nick]

Like, also, even if they were right, you're at a Jersey M. You're at.

[D]

A Jersey Mike's in the airport on New Year's.

[Nick]

I don't. I have zero expectations of anyone working there. Like, I'm hoping I get a sandwich after our order, but if not, I went to Jersey Mike's and I ordered a sandwich.

[D]

Okay.

[Natalie]

It's also just like you.

[D]

They're doing God's work.

[Nick]

I'm just saying, if someone decides to not give a that day, I'm not going to act surprised.

[D]

But that's why it's like, it's simplified, so you really can't do anything wrong. And the fact that she's making this complicated when it is truly, you're like, yeah, can I get a turkey and provolone Mike's way without onions? But that's what they can do.

[Nick]

That's like, this housewife is trying to take down someone who just got a job at Jersey Mike's and probably doesn't give a fuck.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm gonna sue.

[Sierra]

You know, I'm gonna sue.

[Natalie]

I'm gonna sue is the craziest thing I've ever heard in that situation.

[Nick]

Mike, you're gonna sue Mike. Or this person who doesn't give a fuck.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm a celebrity. I'll sue.

[D]

I just think a real.

[Natalie]

That would make me want to be.

[D]

Like, beef with Jersey Mike's is the funniest thing.

[Natalie]

No, it would make me want to so hard to be, like, move at the pace of a fucking snail. Oh, no, you missed your flight. Waiting on your sandwich. I'm sorry.

[Heather McMahon]

I think our toaster's down.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, I would take so long to make those four sandwiches. And then I would make them so wrong. And then I wouldn't spit in them because that's just, like, a little too far. But they would be all wrong. They would have everything you asked me to not put on it on it, plus some extra. Etc. And you would get them cold. Like, it would be.

[Nick]

So if they, like, asked for no mayonnaise or, like, no mushroom, extra mayonnaise. No, you Use the mayonnaise knife that you didn't wipe off and then you cut the bread that says no mayonnaise. Yes.

[Natalie]

So you see that the little bit.

[Nick]

Like, what is going on? Like, that would annoy them.

[Natalie]

That is crazy. You know. Has she said anything else since this TikTok came out?

[G]

Not since, no.

[Natalie]

She hasn't been like, here's my lawsuit.

[Nick]

Which has gone more viral. Her.

[G]

I think hers has, because people didn't know. She's really complaining besides her quote, unquote fans until she posted this. Yeah. And then it was reshared once. The employee was, like, airing her out, essentially.

[D]

That's crazy.

[Nick]

There's been. There's been a couple times where I've been really mad and I whipped out that phone and started recording and I thought, what am I doing? I calmed down. I realized I was being ridiculous. I stopped recording. She posted it.

[G]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. To record is one thing. And then to go on to the app.

[Nick]

App.

[Natalie]

Click the post button, click the Add the video. Like, that's a lot of steps.

[Nick]

That's a lot of thinking. You're right.

[G]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[G]

I'm just like, if this is your way of securing a storyline in the reboot of New Jersey, I don't think Jersey Mike's is cutting it.

[Nick]

I don't know if this is securing a storyline. I think this is just. This is who they are.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, this is who this is.

[G]

Jersey Mia Sanchez is pregnant with baby number four.

[Nick]

Congratulations.

[Natalie]

I feel like. I honestly am glad that this season has already wrapped because I feel like all we would hear is four under four. Yeah, like, all we heard before was three under three. So congratulations. That is exciting, though.

[Nick]

What is going on with Lisa Barlow and our girl Bron?

[D]

So, basically, Lisa has created drama out of nowhere because there was this random Twitter account that's like a Housewives. Just like, funny. Weird, like, just funny little Twitter account. And they were, like, tweeting up a storm, making fun of Lisa Barlow. And then Lisa responds to it and is like, hi, Bronwyn.

[Nick]

Oh, like, suggesting.

[D]

Suggesting that this account is Bronwyn when it is, like, obviously not. I think it's called, like, it's like Bethany Frankel's something.

[Heather McMahon]

Or I saw Bronwyn reposted it yesterday. Being like, because I guess her father's sick in the hospital, so she's been, like, taking care of her dad. And she's like, the fact that even off camera that you guys. That you will go this far to make like, I'm focusing on real life things right now.

[D]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

So for you to involve me into some shit that I'm not involved with is really fucked up.

[D]

And this Twitter account is like, this is the second time Lisa Barlow has thought I was Bronwyn.

[Natalie]

Is it?

[Nick]

Should we assume that Lisa should know that Bron's going through it personally?

[Heather McMahon]

I mean, she posts about it on her story and talks about it openly. So I'm like, it's very evident what Bronwyn's dealing with right now. But I'm also kind of like, the idea that, that Lisa thinks it's gross that someone would accuse her of going to a blogger to talk about Whitney or whatever. But I'm like, you're thinking that Bronwyn's gonna sit there and make a fake account to troll you. Monica, maybe, yes. But Bronwyn.

[Nick]

I don't think Lisa for a second actually thinks it's Bron. I think Lisa's just.

[Heather McMahon]

She responded to tweet.

[D]

Lisa's tweet. Twitter. She responded to the tweet with, hi, Bronwyn.

[Nick]

Yeah, I get it. She's. I, I get she made the accusation. I get she's being messy. I, I, I get. I think Lisa knows what she's doing. I don't think Lisa actually thinks.

[D]

Lisa Barlow's Twitter is one of my favorite things in the world. It is psychotic. It's so funny.

[Nick]

I mean, she, she's tweeting every Wednesday night, every day. Hardcore.

[D]

She is?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it always seemed like she's absolutely livid at somebody.

[D]

She is. Always.

[G]

I'm surprised she hasn't. I mean, maybe she hasn't. I haven't seen it because I don't have Twitter, but have you seen Brittany throwing shade at Lisa? What about sponsorships? So basically, so basically, we know that Britney has the whole, like, bump it high body hair where Lisa says, you need a Kerastase. What is it?

[Natalie]

Thermaltique.

[G]

And then, so basically, a couple days ago, Brittany posted a TikTok unboxing, like a Cara Stoss package, singing I'm not that Girl. And then the caption was, someone stole my Caristoss partnership.

[Natalie]

Not naming names.

[G]

Not naming names.

[D]

Not naming names.

[G]

But we. And then she's drinking a Big Gulp or, like, a big Wendy's drink. And we know that Lisa is the queen of Wendy's sponsorships, and she got a Kara Stoss sponsorship, like, two, three weeks before.

[D]

But she's also putting the caroustas on her hair wrong.

[Natalie]

Wait, so did Britney. So Britney did not get the sponsorship.

[G]

She didn't. So that's why she Said, but wasn't.

[Natalie]

She on Watch what Happens Live? Saying, like, I got a sponsorship.

[G]

That was before this. So she was, like, teasing it. But then, where's the sponsorship?

[D]

But then Lisa Barlow's page, and then the.

[G]

The direct correlation is the Wendy's drink that Britney is drinking.

[Natalie]

Did Lisa respond to this?

[G]

I don't have Twitter, so I wouldn't know.

[Natalie]

Let's see.

[D]

I shall check.

[Natalie]

It's crazy that that Britney felt, like, confident enough to say that on Watch what Happens Live. And then for Cara Stoss, the brand to then be like, jk girl, we're gonna give it to Lisa.

[Nick]

That's what I love about Britney. I think you can get Britney to feel confident about just about anything in the moment.

[D]

On December 18th, Lisa. Lisa tweeted, liars need to shut their mouth.

[Nick]

Yeah, just like, I don't know if that's enough.

[D]

That is not in reference to anything, but it makes me me laugh. Okay, let's look at Lisa's replies. Oh, okay. So it was. This is the Bronwyn Lisa thing. It's this account called Bethany's Waterbed. So it is obviously like a joke housewives account. It was just like, reposting, like a New York mag interview with Bronwyn, and it says, Lisa Barlow wishes. And then Lisa said, hi, Bronwyn. So that's the. That's the drama there.

[Nick]

But evidently, like, Bron had a full, like, clapback. Didn't Braun release text messages?

[D]

I think she just, like, screamed, screenshotted it on her account, on her stories, on her story, and have been like, screenshotted what?

[Heather McMahon]

The reply which she just read. She screenshotted the tweet exchange and then was like, the fact that you think this is me is crazy. And, like, I'm going through this with my dad. How dare you?

[Nick]

Essentially what Lisa replied back with.

[G]

Well, Bronwyn reposted a screenshot of the tweet and then the caption on it says, I'm not sure why we need to do this too. I am not on Twitter nearly at all. And I haven't been for a month or so. Especially now. I have my hands so full trying to be the best daughter I can, I can to two very sick parents. I'm so appreciative for those of you who have reached out and for the castmates who bother to the rest I wish would at least leave me alone if they can't wish me well. Making tiktoks about my outfits or accusations on Twitter right now. Or last week when my mom was in the ICU with a brain tumor is kicking a dog when it's already down.

[Nick]

I mean, that's kind of up. I didn't realize that bro and his family is going through his health problems. Lisa should know, shouldn't she?

[G]

She sounds like the cast makes no.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I thought it was her dad, but it just.

[Emily Baker]

Her mom.

[Heather McMahon]

But, yeah, her mom got.

[Nick]

It sounds like. It sounds like they're both. Both going through it. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

So.

[Natalie]

Well, I mean, I think Bronwyn has. All we've seen this season is Bronwyn being like, Lisa, you're not as good of a friend to me as I am to you. And I think this just further proves that.

[D]

Also scrolling through this Twitter account, 100%, not Bronwyn. This is just a random. This is like someone like me running a Twitter account account.

[Nick]

Whoever they are, they're very excited.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, they've got Lisa.

[D]

This is, like, incredible. If somebody ever accused me of being a burner account for a housewife, I would. I would lose my money.

[Nick]

Maybe it's Bethany Frankel.

[D]

Maybe it is Bethany Frankel.

[Nick]

I could picture having multiple burner accounts.

[D]

She's figuring out what's going on with those drones.

[G]

I will say what Bethany's doing right now is she's doing this, like, handbag University. So basically, I don't know if you've seen, but the Walmart Birkin has blown up on Tik Tok and like, Bethany, he is. Her message right now is like, who cares what the brand is, how much you spent on it? Like, as long as the bag is cute, it's cute. So she's, like, educating people on, like, cheap bags right now, which is, I think, commendable.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I mean, I think people trying to make Birkins cute are wrong.

[G]

The fake ones, all of them, okay.

[Natalie]

They are computer bags. They are briefcases. They. And they're so expensive. I think it's literally just to show off how much money you have. I don't think it's to be like, I have a sense of style. They are investing my Birkin, but they're only investments if you plan to resell them.

[G]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Natalie]

And most people, like myself, I love a designer bag. I love it to pass down to my daughter. Not, like, sell.

[G]

One day you get the Kelly Birkin. It's mini.

[Nick]

We're not selling any of them.

[Natalie]

I don't have plans to sell any of them.

[Heather McMahon]

Now, if we fall on hard times.

[Natalie]

Well, yes, of course, if we fall on hard times, I will be selling. Keep working my sold as well.

[Heather McMahon]

And a Birkin is a down payment.

[Natalie]

So I don't own a Birkin and I don't want a Birkin. I just think it's funny that the people who are upset that Walmart has this, like, dupe, like, come the fuck on. It's ugly anyways.

[G]

You know, it is ugly.

[Nick]

Wait, Walmart selling a fake Birkin?

[G]

You haven't seen this. Well, so there's people that can sell things through Walmart. So Walmart's the platform, but there's, like, shops and basically there's this seller that was selling. They didn't claim it was this, but people are calling it the Walmart Birkin Birkin because it's the same design as.

[Nick]

A Birkin made up in arms.

[G]

They weren't until. I mean, we don't. We haven't heard anything from them, but it's been taken off the site.

[Nick]

Like, people who make the Birkin or like the Hermes.

[G]

So Hermes hasn't spoken out publicly about it, but we know that you can no longer buy it through Walmart as of like a week ago.

[Natalie]

But the people who own Birkin, like, just people, like rich people, regular influencer, are like, yeah, how dare you try to copy.

[Nick]

I definitely now want one of these 80 Birkin bags.

[G]

Well, I did see you could do it.

[Natalie]

You could put your laptop in it for sure.

[Nick]

Yeah. Can I get one?

[G]

You can buy the materials on Amazon and build it yourself.

[Nick]

Build, Build.

[G]

Yeah. They give you all the stuff you have to sew together.

[Nick]

Do you want to do that for me?

[G]

I can take a day off and do it. Paige and Craig have sweat.

[Natalie]

Oh, devastated. Bummer. I think it's sad just because this most recent episode of Southern Charm, he talks about, like, freezing his sperm because, you know, if he were to get into, like, a car accident or something, God forbid, definitely giving.

[Nick]

Paige broke up with him. Him for sure.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Nick]

I hope he's okay.

[D]

It is nice to see, like, two reality stars who break up, like, just handle it like adults and maturely and obviously still have, like, love and respect.

[Natalie]

And also not feel like they need to post a joint Instagram post with a caption. Please respect our privacy.

[Nick]

We like, like, it's come with great regret and sadness that we've chosen to end our relationship, but there is still an immense amount of love and respect between the two of us.

[D]

Like, and subscribe.

[Nick]

These are very difficult times, but please respect her privacy. Blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, they did not.

[G]

Well, I feel like they handled it pretty well. Yeah, because it was Paige on Giggly Squad.

[Nick]

Like, Then she like, kind of briefly said briefly.

[G]

Yeah, I don't think you need to dive. Cool. Well, there are rumors out there of Paige and basically she's clapping back on like, tick tock comments saying, like, see you in court. Love this fictional storytelling.

[Nick]

Like, yeah, I think she's.

[Natalie]

She's having fun with it.

[Nick]

She's having fun with it.

[D]

Yeah, she's leaning.

[Nick]

I mean, I don't know. That's just what fan fans do. I mean, fans are always speculating and coming up with narratives and.

[Natalie]

Because the truth of them just being like, hey, we're just gonna break up right now because we're not on the same. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Still love each other is boring. So everyone on the Internet is like, oh, let's mix it up and throw some spice and make a interesting story that people want to watch on TikTok.

[Nick]

It's sad though, man. I really like them as a couple.

[Natalie]

I loved them as a couple.

[Nick]

I only met Craig once at an event. Event. Very briefly. Seemed loved his energy. Brief as it was. We gotten an O page. We love her. So it's a bummer to see two people you like, especially on reality tv. It's usually like, I really like them, but.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, it's going to be weird too because it's like the crossover between them on Summer House and Southern Charm.

[Sierra]

And he's very much.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, he's very much on Summer House this coming season, so.

[G]

Or maybe not. Maybe we see the fallout of it.

[Heather McMahon]

He's in the.

[Sierra]

I know.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm just saying he's in the preview. So that's where I'm like, even though this is done. Done, by the time Southern China is over, we're still going to be going into something.

[Natalie]

Well, I wonder if they would edit him out as much as they could.

[G]

Probably not.

[Nick]

Probably. Why would they?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, they kept him in the trailer and he's got all the issues with Kyle and the drink companies, the seltzer companies.

[G]

So I did see that. So Craig has like a pillow line and if you go to like the page collection on his website, it says page does no longer exist or something.

[Heather McMahon]

Two meanings there.

[D]

Page. Page.

[G]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Paige's pillow.

[G]

Like she has a page collection or she had a page collection, but he like took it off the page. But now when you click on the link, it says page no longer exists.

[Nick]

That's a reactive decision.

[D]

Wait, the page no longer exists or page no.

[Nick]

That's giving. That is giving. That's giving Hurt feelings.

[D]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, you don't know if he did it.

[G]

It's not.

[Natalie]

It could have been someone else on his team. They could have sold out.

[G]

I was just thinking that the website.

[Nick]

Absolutely not.

[G]

I was saying that it hasn't.

[Natalie]

Nick's being a fan and he's speculating, and now he's trying to make a story more.

[Nick]

Being a fan. I am absolutely speculating. 100% true. But I do think, because the truth.

[Natalie]

Of what it could be is they sold out. And he's like, we're not restocking. Let's just cancel it. So now there's no page to exist. And Nick's like, that's not fun. Let's make it that he hates her. So he deleted it.

[Nick]

I didn't say anything about anyone hating anyone. I personally went in there. Hurt feelings. I said, hurt feelings. And he's a human being. Is he not allowed to be sad about this breakup?

[D]

You're allowed to. You are allowed to delete Paige's page. On the page.

[Nick]

It is definitely not giving, especially if.

[D]

The page is causing you harm.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[D]

Because of Paige.

[Nick]

If it was sold out and he simply. He would say, hey, we're sold out. You know, it would just be sold out. It's so popular. More in stock later. We're still. Don't worry. We're still cool. Not going to eliminate these very wonderful pillows. My love doesn't exist anymore. But your love for the page pillow still can. He's not doing that. No. He's just like, immediately take it off the site right now. No one can have a page pillow ever again.

[Natalie]

Well, Jon Hamm is sad for Paige and Craig, which I think is pretty iconic, to have Jon Hamm be like.

[D]

Can we get John Hammer?

[Natalie]

That's sad. Never saw that. That coming.

[Nick]

He once talked to me about the brewers once.

[Natalie]

The Brewers?

[G]

The who?

[Nick]

John Ham.

[Heather McMahon]

John Ham is a big reality TV fan.

[G]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And I love that.

[Nick]

He's like, oh, you're from Milwaukee. How about those Brewers? I was like, yeah, how about those Cardinals? He's from St. Louis. Yeah.

[G]

I did sit on the plane home next to a person from Wisconsin. I thought of you.

[Natalie]

You were talking to the person next to you.

[G]

I was. And I thought of you specifically. I will say I was like, I want to read my book, but sure, let's do that. Let's keep talking, talking.

[Natalie]

Was it hard for you? Were you, like, itching to.

[G]

I could not hear a single thing she was saying, but this older woman could hear everything I was saying. So I was like, I need to up my game.

[Natalie]

Do you need hearing aids?

[G]

Apparently, yes.

[Nick]

Well, we are very sad for Craig and Paige. I am looking forward to when Paige starts dating again or Craig because that's when if there is drama to unfold.

[Natalie]

Drama will I don't wish drama upon.

[Nick]

I don't. I do not wish.

[D]

I don't like I can't wait for the drama. But I don't wish them any drama.

[Nick]

I do not wish any, anyone unnecessary drama or hurt feelings. But if and when they do start dating, I do feel like if it were to slightly get messy, it would.

[G]

Be then Jon Hamm also did say that Dre is not doing it for him.

[D]

How do you feel about that?

[G]

That's an unpopular opinion.

[Heather McMahon]

Do you need to fight Johnnick?

[Nick]

I mean I haven't met to read in person yet so I don't really.

[G]

Know and well he's saying on the show.

[Nick]

Yeah, I think she, I mean I, I mean she. I find her to be entertaining.

[Heather McMahon]

I think she's doing it for me.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

But so does he. So.

[D]

Yeah.

[Nick]

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[Sierra]

Honestly, when southern women get together, we really don't need anyone else. Anyone else. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm feeling the sexual tension right now, and I'm getting very excited. I'm very horny, so I'm always.

[Natalie]

Thank God you're here.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you.

[Natalie]

So welcome to.

[Sierra]

We're just jumping right into it, y'all. Also, I apologize. I'm not crying. I'm having some sort of allergic reaction to, like, the. The dry California air. So I've. My eyes have just been watering, so I'm not emotionally mentally distressed, but just know, I'm like, if I do this all day, I don't know what the.

[Natalie]

Beside you.

[Sierra]

Thank you. Oh, yeah. Actually, let me do this.

[Nick]

We definitely like to, like, if you need a dab, We've been known to get people to cry, you know, and.

[Sierra]

I haven't had an emotional breakdown since, like, last week. So maybe today's.

[Natalie]

I feel like you're.

[Sierra]

You know, I'm a little tired, so I'm overdue for a full manic breakdown. Yeah.

[Nick]

What did you cry about last week?

[Sierra]

Well, around the holidays, it's tough because my dad died at Christmas. Thank you so much for bringing that up. And no, it's fine. If you think it's going to get easier every year and it just. It's getting worse with time. I think grief gets worse with Time, because then you realize you're that much further away from the time that you talk to that person.

[Natalie]

It.

[Sierra]

It's bad. So I hate Christmas because my dad died on the 23rd, and I did tell him when he was in the hospital dying, I'm really coming in hot. I said, if you die on Christmas Day, I'll never forgive you. So he died on the 23rd, which is like, he helped me out.

[Nick]

You really made that moment about you.

[Sierra]

I really made that moment about me. And. And so, yeah, the holidays. I hate. I hate the holidays.

[Natalie]

Well, do you have any advice for people who, you know, are going through something similar? Like how instead, you know, have a mental breakdown, feel the emotions type of thing?

[Sierra]

I always say, give yourself grace. Like, you know, when you're going through grief and this happened. Listen, my dad died nine years ago, so I should be like, I'm doing okay. It's just that one week. That's weird. I always say, cry, feel your feelings, and then go get, like, a hot dog or a cookie or a glass of wine, and then just, like, you know, carb load after that.

[Heather McMahon]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Get your blood sugar stable, you know, have a little cocktail, and then you're gonna be fine. Feel the feelings weep, and then be done with it.

[Natalie]

And then eat something.

[Sierra]

And then eat something and then shut the up about it. Where.

[Nick]

Where were you for the holidays? Where do you go?

[Sierra]

I was at home. I was in Atlanta. I usually go away. That's the thing. So we usually are, like, somewhere warm where we get the. Out of the house. And I was sitting at home alone with my own thoughts, and that's why I went a little, you know, crazy. Yeah, it's fine. We're good. We're good, guys.

[Natalie]

I promise. We're good. Thank God.

[Sierra]

Coming in on end, y'all. I've already got, like, four hours of sleep. It's been wild. It's award season, so we're doing the thing.

[Natalie]

You were at the Golden Globes?

[Sierra]

I was at the Golden Globes, yeah. I'll tell you everything.

[Nick]

All the parties.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I went to the. I went to a couple parties. Yeah, it was great. But it's. It's a long day because I'm on. I'm on the carpet. I've started doing a bunch of hosting stuff with E. So I'm on the carpet at, like, 2. I'm in hair and makeup at 9am I've interviewed people. I mean, you may only see, like, 10 interviews, but I've interviewed, like, 50 people, so it's. It's really crazy. So you're on for, like, three hours live, and then you get off, you go change, and then you get ready to go schmooze and work the rooms at the parties. So it's a real.

[Natalie]

It's a real red carpet interview.

[Sierra]

Well, I got to talk to Ariana Grande, and that was wild. And she's so petite and so tiny and almost, like, translucent, iridescent. Like, she's so beautiful.

[Natalie]

Show her your ankles or.

[Sierra]

No, I did. I showed her my ankles. We literally, on camera, I looked like Miss Piggy, and she looked like Kermit because she's so, like, tiny. And it was just. It brought me a lot of joy. Like, a lot of my friends are, like, splicing it together, doing a side by side, and I was like, this is my dream. Perfect. Who else is great? Cooper Koch was great. You know, it's interesting because I love talking to TV stars because they get it. They know how to work a room. The movie stars are a little serious. You know, they are.

[Nick]

They're there for the art.

[Sierra]

They're there for the art. The TV stars are just like, it's a film, It's a film. It's a journey. But everybody on TV is just, like, ready to get fucked up and have a good time.

[Natalie]

Did you have to watch everything to prepare everything?

[Sierra]

And I will say, this is the hardest job. I started doing it because they asked me. I was like, oh, this will be fun. I'll just get to, like, roast people. But now I'm kind of in a position where they actually, like, want me to be almost a journalist. So that's been a little bit of a wild ride. I have to study. I have note cards. It's a whole week of prep. Yeah. So it's. It's the hardest gig I do. I can get up in front of an audience of strangers and do stand up off the rip for 90 minutes, and that's. I don't think twice about that. Having to, like, have thoughtful questions for people. And it's hard because, you know, podcasting, you get to sit and talk to somebody and, like, warm it up. You have 90 seconds with these people, and they're all, like, nominated for Oscars.

[Nick]

You really got to get in and get out.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Try to get a laugh.

[Sierra]

And they're. But also, like, their publicists are like, don't mention this. Say this. You know, make sure you hit that. Do you know the name of their, you know, six upcoming projects? You're like, I don't need.

[Nick]

I be Funny, but not memorable.

[Sierra]

Yeah, be funny, not memorable. Don't say anything. Anything. So I'm trying to warm it up so where I can really be myself. Because right now I feel a little robotic. Like, I'm a journalist and I did too many drugs in college to, you know.

[Natalie]

To be robotic.

[Sierra]

Yeah, to be robotic and also to have any sort of, like, retention. You know, I can't remember facts.

[Natalie]

Did you see Zendaya?

[Sierra]

I saw her on the carpet. Didn't get a chat with her, but she was floating. Nicole Kidman. Stunning.

[Nick]

Did you hear that Zendaya is engaged?

[Sierra]

I saw the ring, yes.

[Nick]

You did see the ring?

[Sierra]

I saw the ring, yes.

[Nick]

Did you suspect an engagement when you saw the ring?

[Sierra]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, a woman doesn't just talk on the.

[Nick]

On the floor. Hers.

[Sierra]

Well, she also, too, is one of those who, like, floats through, and she was in that gorgeous, big gown. And then when I went back and saw the photos and we saw the ring, I was like, oh, yeah, she got booed up.

[Nick]

My favorite thing about Zendaya is that she was on Dancing with the Stars before. Yeah, she really blew up, and I like to think there's still a chance for me.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Sierra]

I think you should do it.

[Nick]

No, I did.

[Natalie]

He did.

[Sierra]

Oh, you did it. I'm sorry. Okay.

[Nick]

It wasn't very memorable. Not very good.

[Sierra]

What season were you on?

[Nick]

Like, two. 2017.

[Sierra]

Okay. That was a while ago, before anyone was really watching. Okay.

[Nick]

She was on long ago as well.

[Natalie]

Also before anyone was really watching.

[Nick]

A lot of people, it's. It's the end of their journey, Dancing with the Stars. But Zendaya is. Is a. Is hope for all of us that, like, maybe you can.

[Natalie]

That. It's the beginning.

[Nick]

It's the beginning. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Didn't she say that she. That really stressed her out? I think I heard a quote where she was like, this was a part of my life that was really stressful, and she took it a little too seriously, maybe.

[Nick]

I. I know I did. Yeah.

[Sierra]

I. I would love to do Dancing with the Stars one, because I think I would crush. Two, I would like to be paired with, like, a very petite ballroom male. You know what I mean? So I would really like to have that moment.

[Nick]

I think we can make this happen.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I think so, too.

[Nick]

Yeah, we.

[Sierra]

But then it's also, like, a lot of work. Like, I mean, how many weeks is it? How many weeks did you make it?

[Nick]

I don't remember. I was.

[Sierra]

I took you, like, four days.

[Nick]

I was eliminated with Nancy Kerrigan.

[Sierra]

Are you kidding me?

[Nick]

So, like, I was at her level. I just want to point that out. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Wow. Well, I am wildly impressed.

[Nick]

Pretty good.

[Emily Baker]

What?

[Sierra]

That's pretty good.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was, it was like, I don't know, it's like six weeks or something. I don't know. It was a ton of fun. You absolutely should do it. Very nerve wracking. I, I, I, Honestly, the, the dancing in front of the live studio audience, that's what freaks the out of you. At least for me. I'm not a professional performer. That kind of psyched me out. Maybe you being a comedian and, and, and selling, selling out large theaters will help you that I struggled with that. It's very, yeah, it's not, it's not the same as shaking your ass at a wedding.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Nick]

It's very like 1, 2, 3. And so like, it's like, it's choreo driven and it's very. That's, that was nerve wracking. I had a hard time looking like I was having fun.

[Sierra]

Right. Right.

[Nick]

While I was dancing dead inside. There's a lot of like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know, like a lot of that.

[Sierra]

Yeah. But, well, I just really thrive in glitter and sequins and feathers and any sort of tight lycra. So I think once I would put on the show suit, it would, I would just come a lot.

[Nick]

And the designing team there. Yeah, phenomenal. Fabulous.

[Sierra]

Thank God. As long as it's custom. Because I'll tell you what, being bigger than a size 4 in this business, it's tough, you know, I mean, trying to even get dressed for these award shows.

[Natalie]

What did you wear yesterday?

[Sierra]

I keep wearing this brand Tadashi, this amazing designer and Octavia Spencer wore Tadashi when she won her Oscars. And they're like, not expensive dresses, but it's beautifully made and it's for great, it's for all body types. But it is wild, y'all being in Hollywood, actually. But it did not photograph well. It actually had a cool corset and it did not photograph. I look nine months pregnant there, but it was actually really beautiful in person.

[Natalie]

You look insane.

[Sierra]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Color.

[Sierra]

But I'll tell you a little Hollywood secret, and I'm here to. It sounds like I'm really coming in with negative energy. I'm not. But the amount of designers that say that they make sizes for everybody when you call to get dressed, they do not. So I want you to know. They're all fucking liars. Yeah, they're all liars. They're all.

[Natalie]

Put it on the Runway to be like, this is what's coming, everyone.

[Nick]

They mean they're three friends that look the same as them.

[Sierra]

Exactly. Yeah. They put it on the Runway and then they're like, yeah. We don't make size, you know, sample sizes or we don't ship those sizes. So it's kind of bullshit. So shout out to Tadashi. Thank you.

[Natalie]

Octavia Spencer is also. She went to Auburn.

[Sierra]

She did go to Auburn.

[Natalie]

She's a huge Auburn fan. Like, has said war eagle in her Oscar winning.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Speeches.

[Sierra]

I met her backstage at this thing with Reese Witherspoon and she has a house in Mississippi and I have a place in Mississippi. And we were chit chatting about it and I was literally, literally like, I'll see you in Mississippi. She's like, we might have to wait to go to Mississippi for a minute because, you know, tensions are high.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we'll circle back.

[Sierra]

Yeah, we'll circle back. We'll circle back. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, your Netflix special was.

[Sierra]

I have one on Netflix and then one on Hulu. It's all. It's. It's confusing. It's.

[Natalie]

You know what?

[Sierra]

I was at the Netflix party last night and I was like, guys, my latest special came out on Hulu. What are we doing? Like, nobody knows what's happening.

[Natalie]

I didn't be here. Yeah.

[Sierra]

But I got few. Yeah. Well.

[Natalie]

Well, the one that we watched was on Netflix.

[Sierra]

Okay, great. Then you watched the. The old. The old one. The first one.

[Nick]

Hulu.

[Sierra]

Was I Hulu.

[Natalie]

It was Hulu.

[Sierra]

Was I in a denim dress or a black one? Denim, denim, denim, denim, denim.

[Natalie]

You're.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Bopping around.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Flipping my hair, Talking about bj.

[Natalie]

Flipping your hair, talking about bj.

[Sierra]

So that first one on Netflix, I talked about my dead dad. So I'm glad you didn't watch that one. I'm glad you watched the Hulu one. I know. Yeah.

[Natalie]

If we had watched Netflix. So thank God.

[Nick]

I've been like, don't ask her about Christmas.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

No, honestly, whenever you started talk how. When giving blowjobs. We do not. We're not. The last thing we're thinking about is what we are doing currently in that moment.

[Nick]

We had a talk afterwards.

[Sierra]

Yeah. How did you feel about that? Did I kind of expose it?

[Nick]

She was like, oh, my God, that's not true.

[Sierra]

I was like, yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

I had a little bit more of a visceral reaction than he was expecting. So we did have to have a talk.

[Nick]

Oh, I thought you meant that.

[Sierra]

No, we do not. It is a means to get what we need and want. And girls who say, like, I love Chuck and Dick. No, you don't. I mean, I do it. Cause obviously I love my husband, and he. You know, it's. It's a. I can get in and out of there, but I don't. When I'm down there, I'm not thinking about that dog. I am checking things off the list. Hell, you know, did I take my SSRIs this morning?

[Natalie]

I'm writing my grocery list.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

In my head is the grocery list.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, that makes sense. I don't feel like men are, like, what, Thinking about what's down there.

[Sierra]

All right, so. Yeah, what are you thinking? What are you thinking about?

[Nick]

I'm not like, wow, what a really great video. Vagina.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick]

Down there.

[Sierra]

Oh, okay. Well, we've never insulted your dicks. I've never been like, this. Dick sucks. Ugly has.

[Natalie]

Dick is a great vagina. It's great. You had a great dinner the other night, and my vagina is great.

[Sierra]

We do not like how you approach that.

[Natalie]

All right.

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Natalie]

A great vagina.

[Emily Baker]

Cool.

[Natalie]

It birthed your child.

[Nick]

So, like, actually, that one is what I was.

[Sierra]

You're going to know your pussy is perfect. Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Actually, that's what I'm thinking. Still got it. You know, like, I'm like, wow, how would she do this?

[Sierra]

But do you. When you're down there, are you not, like, thinking about filing your taxes or. Or what's going on in that brain? Listen, you don't even have to answer it. We already know there's not a lot going on in those men's brain.

[Natalie]

There's not a lot.

[Nick]

It's more like, I hope you like it.

[Natalie]

That's what I feel like.

[Heather McMahon]

They're like, thinking, like, about themselves and their performance. They're like, okay, I think that. Oh, is that a move?

[Natalie]

And we're like.

[Nick]

We're like, the man.

[Natalie]

Is this over with?

[Sierra]

Yeah. But here's the thing. That's. We all. We're good at what we do. Yeah. And I had to confession. I got my neck done for Thanksgiving. So that's why if I seem a little stiff, I had a, like, a little neck procedure. And so I'm really off the table. Like, I can't give a blowjob for, like, another month and a half.

[Nick]

Was that the doctor's orders?

[Sierra]

Doctor's orders. Well, I couldn't have sex for, like, four weeks, and I was. I'm still very swollen. And I came down the stairs when I got the clear, and I'M a very horny person. I was like, this was the first day post surgery. They, like, put on makeup and, like, try to feel like my. Myself. I was like, honey, like, I got cleared. And all of a sudden, my husband just started reorganizing the kitchen. And I was like, I'm a monster. He was. He didn't have the. And I looked at the mirror later. I was like, my face was so swollen, and I was like, oh, God, no man ever turns out sex, especially my husband.

[Natalie]

You're cleared?

[Sierra]

Yeah. I was like, I'm cleared. I was like, you can put a pillow over my head. I don't care. Just. Just lay me down. Raw dog me. But, yeah, I can't give blowjobs for a while because the neck is a little too tight.

[Natalie]

And whenever you were told that in, like, your consult, was your husband like, ooh, maybe we should rethink?

[Sierra]

No, he never came to any consults. But then the night before surgery, and they didn't do anything to my face. They just, like, tightened a little muscle. Right? He literally was like. So, like, do I get a rendering of what you're gonna look like? I was like, we're not building a pool house, Jeff. Okay? They're just gonna tighten a muscle. This is what happens when you're in this biz and you get closer to 40. Like, fuck you. He was really panicked the next day, but then it was fine. Yeah. Yeah. But in, like, four more months, forget it. This jaw is about to be snatched. Okay. Get excited.

[Emily Baker]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Holy shit.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, I'll be adding that to my list.

[Sierra]

Yeah, you don't need it. You're. You're perfect. Don't do anything. You're perfect. Seriously.

[Natalie]

I feel like in. In Hollywood, it's you. If you don't do it, you're. No, it's scum on the bottom of your shoe that.

[Sierra]

But see, you. No, you're good. You're. You don't need it. It was always a thing. I inherited my neck from my dad, and he had a nice big beard to cover it. And just. I finally one day, I read enough comments on Reddit and I go, okay, I'm calling someone.

[Nick]

Are you reading your Reddit comments?

[Sierra]

No, but I was bullied once on Reddit by a group of women because I. I went through that phase that a lot of ladies did where we got intense eyelash extensions, and I looked like a bird that could take flight. And I'm so glad they bullied me. I needed to be bullied. It was. But it was Also, that's what everyone was doing at the time, Right.

[Natalie]

Sometimes it is helpful. You had eyelash blindness.

[Sierra]

I had eyelash blindness. That is my. The one blindness I think I really had.

[Natalie]

Are you using eyelash serums? Your eyelashes are very.

[Sierra]

No, these are actually. These are fake. Right. But they'll fall off at, like, midnight. Okay.

[Natalie]

They'll be on your nightstand.

[Sierra]

Yeah, they'll be on my nightstand later. It's fine.

[Nick]

They look real. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Thank you so much. I went. Because I'm going natural. Okay. And here's the thing. I've never done anything. I was only like, a. Like a baby Botox girl. But this is what everyone's doing now. You get the little tweak so that you just look fresh. No one's doing the fillers and all that bullshit. I've never had my lips done any of that. I'm just like. Just tighten it up, you know? We're just tightening everything up. Yeah.

[Natalie]

So I feel like eventually I'm gonna need a boob job because I did my daughter. They're.

[Sierra]

They.

[Natalie]

She sucked them to my ankles, unfortunately. So I was like, oh, this. You know, maybe after a second baby, I should get. And I would want them to probably be your size. So if you could send me a nude.

[Sierra]

Oh, great. If you want to do a fat transfer, too, I'll just suck something out of me. I got a thick back. I'll just suck it out of there, and we'll just drop it off at your house. Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

You'll put it in, like, I'll put.

[Sierra]

It in a Tupperware.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Country Croc.

[Sierra]

Country Croc. Easy. And we'll just. Yeah, I got to get rid of it, and I'd rather donate it. You know, it's like, I don't. I can't do locks for love because I have a hair extension, but I would love to donate my fat for your new boobs.

[Natalie]

Do you have donor on your license?

[Sierra]

Absolutely not. No. I have to take too many gummies at night and get on the Internet, and everyone's like, I woke up, I wasn't dead yet. Now they were cutting out my kidney. So I'm like. Like, I can't. I would.

[Natalie]

Absolutely not.

[Sierra]

Absolutely not. No.

[Natalie]

Absolutely not.

[Sierra]

I already give enough money to charities. They don't also need my vital organs, you know?

[Natalie]

Right, right. They're going to. They're going to be in the grave with you.

[Sierra]

Yes, yes, absolutely.

[Natalie]

So do you want to be cremated or buried?

[Sierra]

Okay. Funny story. I. I saw this thing recently again when I was on Gummies at night. They have this new, like, natural box where you get. You're put in, like, a beautiful wooden box, and you're covered in linen, and then they, like, turn you into a cherry tree. Like, that's what I would like. I just think that's nice.

[Natalie]

A cherry tree.

[Sierra]

A cherry tree or whatever. I don't know. I' George Washington, but, you know, I don't know. A ficus, a nice palm, like, whatever. A fiddle.

[Natalie]

Foliage.

[Sierra]

Some foliage.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I would just like to be back in a garden. But we had to cremate my dad because he was a really big dude, and he had originally bought his, like, burial plot and his casket because, you know, he's a planner and didn't even know he was sick. Died very quickly of cancer. But then when we went to, like, plan his funeral, they were like, yeah, you're dad's too fat for the casket. Like, he needs, like, a destination xl, like, big and plus casket.

[Natalie]

Were you able to tell him no.

[Sierra]

He was already dead. He was dead.

[Nick]

And you were like, just set him on fire.

[Sierra]

He was already dead. So I did tell him as I was identifying the body. Oh. I was like, dad, I hate to tell you. Yes, I did tell him, actually. Fair enough question.

[Natalie]

Okay. Okay.

[Sierra]

So I was like, what are our options?

[Nick]

Allowed to laugh?

[Sierra]

Yeah, you're allowed to laugh. You're absolutely allowed. I made a whole special out of this. So just laugh, release it. Feel. Feel the feelings. Yeah. So I did have to tell him.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I do look back. I think it was kind of fucked up. So my dad died in Houston at MD Anderson, which is a cancer hospital. We had to fly him back to Atlanta. And then. Oh, my God, this is so fucked up. Why am I sharing this? So then they were like, you have to identify the body. And so he's in the casket. They put him in, like, a master's golf sweater. Because my dad goes masters every year. I'm like, how did y'all get their sweater? Someone broke into our home. Yeah, this is, like, his nice cat cashmere. And I was like, actually, that's a really. Like, you don't understand.

[Natalie]

Can we have that?

[Sierra]

Yeah, can we have that back? Because I go to the masters every year, and, like, that swag is expensive, but okay, dad. And then I had to go in there, and the lady was like. I was standing in, like, the back of the room, and she was like, you can get closer. I was like, I don't want to get fudgeing closer. He's been cold for four days. Like, it's him. Is it the fat guy with the beard and the sweater? That's my dad.

[Natalie]

Look at his neck.

[Sierra]

Look.

[Natalie]

Look at his neck, My neck. Is it similar?

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's similar. I would get cremated because this is bullshit. I'm sorry, but anybody listen to this? If you're in the future funeral biz, you know, you. You know, you're running a shady boots business. In order to get a bigger casket for my dad, they wanted, like, 10 grand more. Yep. And my mom was like, oh, this? She's like, I could redo my bathroom. Absolutely not. No. Cremate them. So we cremated. What do you want to do?

[Natalie]

I think cremate. I have a. Just an issue with, like, worms, like, you know, eating me while I'm down there or something. Like, I don't feel like that's the way I should.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Heather McMahon]

Aren't they able to take your ashes now and, like, turn them into diamonds? Diamonds or like, pressed jewels?

[Sierra]

Probably. I had a landlord here in la. This is the most LA shit. She had her dead cat's ashes put into a tattoo. And I don't know that somebody got.

[G]

A fact checked that I have one on my finger. Yeah.

[Sierra]

With ashes.

[Natalie]

With ashes.

[Sierra]

So I'm not bullshitting.

[Nick]

This.

[Sierra]

Thank you.

[G]

No.

[Nick]

Who is it?

[Sierra]

Can I ask you a question? How is that. How did that. How did they. How did that setup happen?

[G]

You have to find, like, someone that does, like, spiritual tattoos or, like, indigenous tattoos, and then they'll do it for you. They just sprinkle a little bit into the ink and then. I think it's a beautiful thing.

[Sierra]

Oh, it is a beautiful thing. I was just a little concerned because her cat died from, like, a horrible disease, and I just got a little nervous about that.

[Natalie]

Yeah, but now in your bloodstream.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I got a little worried about cross contamination. But wait, that's really cool.

[G]

It's a small amount, so I think I can't, like. Well, we hope I'm still here, but.

[Sierra]

Is your tattoo a little gray? Because hers. Yours was great. It's colored. Okay.

[G]

Well, mine's blue. So blue.

[Sierra]

I'm in a taxidermy. My pets, I want them stuffed. You know, we're Southern. It's fine. You walk in, you got a deer head of moose head. It is what it is. But I want my two French bulldogs fully stuffed. And I've already told my mom that I'm probably going to stuff her, too, and. And set her up on our.

[Nick]

Have you thought about what position?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Oh, I. I've thought it through. So I'm gonna, like, cryo freeze her or taxidermy her. Because my mom lives with us, we live with her. However you want to spice it. And we have this obnoxiously huge island in our kitchen, and she sits there every morning, and I come down the stairs, and as soon as I hit that bottom step, she's like, heather, let me show you something I found on the YouTubes. So I feel like I'm going to have a little button that as soon as I hit that step, it'll say that. And she's just sitting there with a glass of wine.

[Natalie]

You know, she'll always be in a bar stool.

[Sierra]

She'll always be on a bar stool.

[Natalie]

So you'll only have, like, five. Accessible to other people.

[Sierra]

Exactly, exactly. You know, but I feel like when guests come over, they'll be like, it's a little creepy that your mom stuffed. So we would just like to sit in the dining room. Yeah, yeah. We're not going to hang out in the kitchen.

[Nick]

Can't you just get, like, a gold plate, like, at the bars where they're like, you know, Stan used to drink here.

[Sierra]

You could. And actually, we did that at the Waffle House. Down the street from my house. There's a little plaque, and it said, you know, like, it was like, Kyle McMahon spot. My dad spot the waffles. But I do think Waffle House was the reason he died. So, you know, it's not a lot of nitrates in that sausage.

[Natalie]

They were.

[Nick]

They were at our wedding.

[Natalie]

We did have Waffle House at our wedding. They catered.

[Sierra]

The only way to do it.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Sierra]

Where'd you get married again?

[Natalie]

Was it the family's farm in Savannah?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yes. That's beautiful. Love, Savannah.

[Natalie]

Rankin.

[Sierra]

Rankin County.

[Natalie]

Effingham County.

[Sierra]

Effingham County.

[Natalie]

Effingham.

[Sierra]

Hell, yeah.

[Natalie]

Hell, yeah.

[Sierra]

Y'all had a beautiful wedding.

[Nick]

It was really.

[Sierra]

We do have to talk about something off air, but we'll talk about that later, because I have a. I have a connection to something that happened to y'all.

[Natalie]

Love that story. Nick was actually cosplaying, I think, a little too hard. At our welcome party, we had a little country chic. You know, I'm like, let's bring in some of my roots, have these people from the Midwest and LA and New York, like, kind of have a taste of what, like, my childhood was like in my family. And Nick started introducing people to his daddy.

[Sierra]

No, it was Daddy, Daddy. But you saying diddy.

[Nick]

I said, it's my daddy.

[Sierra]

It's my Daddy.

[Nick]

My daddy.

[Sierra]

D I DD Y. Yeah, yeah. Well, listen, everybody's got a diddy.

[Nick]

I'm marrying these people now. I'm so.

[Sierra]

Yeah, you know, you got to lean in.

[Emily Baker]

He's.

[Natalie]

Y'all in it. He's.

[Nick]

I was riding a horse.

[Sierra]

That's beautiful.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Now, are you. What do you call your grandparents?

[Natalie]

Well, it was Grandmother and Papa.

[Sierra]

Papa very.

[Natalie]

She was like, it's. If you called her Grandma, she was pissed. She was like, it's Grandmother. She was very classy Betty, too.

[Sierra]

Grandmother. I had a Mimi and Papa that was also. But then my mom's side of the family's from Boston, so it was, like, very Italian. But my Southern grandmother, Sally, you call. You know, it was me. Me, you know. Oh, yeah, it was a me. Me.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

They love a Mimi.

[Sierra]

They love a Mimi. And if you didn't have a mean Mimi growing up, like, it's always a Southern grandmother who's a real bitch.

[Natalie]

Yeah, a lot of, like.

[Sierra]

Yeah, a lot of hand slapping. Like, my grandmother idolized my older sister. Cause my sister's like this beautiful porcelain doll and took her to get glamour shots at the mall and for Father's Day, which was, honestly, when you look back, a little creepy. So I get back to the house, and my mom's like, where are you? Glamour shots, Heather? And I'm like, well, Mimi said I'm in my awkward phase, and so I can't get any. My mom was like, God damn it. She's a bitch. And took me down of the mall. We got glamour shots. We don't have any record these glamour shots. Because my mom said they turned out so horrible. She, too, would not buy them.

[Nick]

Mimi was right.

[Sierra]

Turns out Mimi was on to something. But at least I had the experience of getting all gussied up, you know?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Thank God my papa at. You know, he's in his 90s now. Oh, he's still with us. He's still with us.

[Sierra]

Oh, that's a beautiful thing.

[Natalie]

He's the only one still with us. And at. I was pregnant last Thanksgiving, and, you know, I was, what, seven months pregnant? I was six months pregnant. I don't know. I was. I was pretty big. I was, what, eight and.

[Nick]

Or nine?

[Natalie]

Well, I. I gave birth in February.

[Nick]

And this was November, so math. She's not.

[Sierra]

Continue.

[Natalie]

Anyways. Anyways, so he was like, you're a lot seven bigger than normal.

[Sierra]

Well, yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I don't think he understood that. That you do gain the weight when you're carrying a child. And it was a lot of like, what's going on here, you know?

[Sierra]

Well, because back in the day, they didn't. You know what I mean? They did not. Our. My Mimi was smoking cigarettes, you know, suppressing that appetite, Right.

[Natalie]

And then it would just, like you'd go to the bathroom one day, you.

[Sierra]

Would just take a hard shit, and next thing you know, you had a four year old.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Times have changed. We're oversharing a lot. You know, I came in here real hot already told you I got my neck done. I was like, I'm not gonna go with that publicly. Apparently I am. So, you know, I mean, I also feel. I am not with child, but I also feel like I'll probably be the person who pees on the stick and then just. I'm like, I'm like live streaming it. Like, you guys, it finally happened. Because in comedy, I don't. I'm unable to not somehow turn this around and share it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And there are times where I'm like, I need to just shut it down, but I don't.

[Natalie]

We can bleep neck.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So it's like, I got my beep.

[Sierra]

Done, and then when it leads into I can't get blowjobs or have sex, they'll think I got my vagina done or something.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I kind of like this kind of hot.

[Sierra]

Kind of hot.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Sierra]

I have seen photos of before and afters of labiaplasties and I compared and I. I think I'm still good.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, they. I feel like they look maybe worse after.

[Sierra]

Maybe, maybe, maybe.

[Natalie]

Some would say. Yeah, with the wrong doctor, maybe.

[Sierra]

Yeah, you. If you're. Listen, ladies, if you're listening, if you're gonna get your vagina fix, make sure you do your research.

[Natalie]

Maybe I wouldn't go to like, no discounts, no coupons. No, no, no. I just probably. I wouldn't go to like dermatologist. You know, Like, I'd probably go to a.

[Sierra]

Don't go to a podiatrist.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Sierra]

Because this may be something that you don't know. But like, dentist will do Botox and dentists are the only ones who you should allow other than plastic surgeons to do Botox because they know every muscle in the face. But I've gone to some shady places before I knew any better. And they're literally like, you know, it's. It's an orthopedist who's like doing filler. You don't want that.

[Natalie]

You don't want that.

[Sierra]

You want to go to a specialist.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah. And I Feel like if you're not going to a specialist these days.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Maybe you just deserve what came out.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You know, I totally agree.

[Natalie]

If you're getting your nose job done by someone who's not specializing in nose jobs, like, that's why it looks like that.

[Sierra]

There was actually a big thing in my town in Atlanta. There was a guy who was a ophthalmologist. He was an eye doctor, and he ended up giving everybody these, like, botched facelifts. Oh. It, like, made national news. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, on purpose, because he didn't know what he was doing.

[Sierra]

He didn't know what he was doing. He just thought he'd make, like, some quick cash, but people got, like, really destroyed. So do your research. Don't do too much and do your research.

[Emily Baker]

That's all I'll say.

[Nick]

Are you watching Housewives?

[Sierra]

Do I watch Housewives? Honey, I've been on oxies for the last two weeks. I have literally been laid up, icing my neck wrapped up, being like, let me catch up on Beverly Hills. I watch it all.

[Nick]

You watch it all?

[Sierra]

I watch it all.

[Nick]

Are you big pop culture just in general?

[Sierra]

Yeah. I eat it up.

[Nick]

You eat it up?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

What's your favorite, like, most wild story you're following right now? Housewives are.

[Sierra]

Well, it's Salt Lake City just keeps getting better and better. And you know what? They really. They're. They're worth every penny I got. I'm going to say something publicly. I'm going to get in trouble. New York is just a fucking snooze for me.

[Nick]

No, we gave up.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I gave up.

[Natalie]

I said it was boring and gave up.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Unless it is old white women around 65 fighting over, you know, the last truffle fry in the Hamptons, it's not. It's never going to hit for me.

[Nick]

You want to feel the hate?

[Sierra]

I want to feel the hate.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I want to feel that. They're all about to get canceled. That's why we tuned in to see Ramona and Sonia and Luann just at rock bottom, you know?

[Natalie]

Exactly. Not like. Like a fake prank.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Oh.

[Natalie]

Going on for too long. It's. That's when I gave up. I was like, you know, this isn't for me.

[Nick]

You still have Luan trying to work. She's sleeping with the guy from Southern Charm Hospitality. We watched episode one. Did you watch that at all?

[Sierra]

I'm not caught up on that.

[Nick]

We just started.

[Natalie]

We just started. We were like, let's see. Let's give it a try.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

We met Joe Bradley at an event, and he was like, hey. We were like, all right, we'll see what it is.

[Sierra]

Well, we really sold it to you.

[Nick]

Hey, try to take me home one night. Long time ago.

[Sierra]

Let's talk about that.

[Nick]

We've talked about.

[Sierra]

Okay, okay.

[Nick]

It was a long time ago in Chicago. It was fresh off of me being on the bachelorette, and she was with some friends in Chicago.

[Sierra]

And on a scale of one to ten, how tempted?

[Nick]

Zero.

[Sierra]

Zero. Okay. All right. She looks good.

[Nick]

She was lovely and wonderful, and she's a beautiful woman. And it was just, like, made me not. It wasn't the time for me. And she was like.

[Natalie]

It was on his period.

[Emily Baker]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He was bleed. So he was like. And he didn't shave his pussy that day. So he was like, I haven't shaved.

[Sierra]

I haven't shaved my pussy in 10 years. Okay.

[Nick]

She had started the night earlier. I wasn't really at her level. I was, like, going to start a place called Stout Bar, which was like, just very stout bar.

[Sierra]

In New York.

[Nick]

Chicago.

[Sierra]

Oh, Chicago, Sorry.

[Nick]

She's like, I'll go there. And I'm like, I don't think you want to go here.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And then I said, good night.

[Sierra]

Were you outside, like, sharing a cig with her? Is that how the interaction started?

[Nick]

No, it was at this place called Italian Bar.

[Sierra]

Rpm.

[Nick]

RPM Italian.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Juliana and Bill.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I mean, they were smart the way they did that branding with the restaurants and RPM Italian's fantastic.

[Nick]

Fantastic.

[Sierra]

Anytime I play Chicago, you bet your ass. I got a resy at rpm.

[Nick]

Every time we go back, we go. We. We go back.

[Sierra]

Great Seafood tower. One of the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm really into Salt Lake City. The fact that Mary was sitting at dinner in. Where were they? Puerto Vallarta. And she thought she was eating pastrami sou. And they were like, it's minestrone soup. But also, who's eating minestrone soup at the beach in Mexico at all? Yeah, I was very. Unless it's gazpacho, I don't know what we're doing. So I was very confused by all of that. I did watch what Happens live with Bronwyn and her husband and.

[Nick]

Oh, you did?

[Sierra]

Yes. And I gotta be honest with you, he was lovely, so I don't know.

[Nick]

I told you.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I think that obviously, he's the villain, but they were lovely, and they seemed very in love. And Bronwyn was a doll, so she.

[Nick]

Was a doll with us.

[Natalie]

She is a doll. And I. You know, she. She shared some light into their relationship in the most recent episode.

[Sierra]

Oh. So I'm not caught up. Well, I saw the one on the boat where they were chit chatting.

[Natalie]

Yeah. The one on the boat where she's like, yeah, cheated on me. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. Why have we not had two episodes?

[Sierra]

Did you eat?

[Heather McMahon]

They don't posted on me.

[Natalie]

It was like. It was like he was texting, emotional. And Gwen, her daughter saw. And then we had Heather and Gwen Whitney be like, let's fucking kill that bitch.

[G]

And then we had the ring with five promises.

[Natalie]

Oh, yes. With five diamonds. After.

[Sierra]

I need a second, guys. What is life? What is life?

[Natalie]

The way she just threw that in was like, she's fucking rich. Sorry.

[Sierra]

She's so fucking rich.

[Natalie]

They're so rich. He's like, yeah. And like, he did that. And then he just gave me, like this ring with five diamonds in it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And it was.

[Nick]

Let me talk about it on national television.

[Natalie]

And then. Let me talk about national television. And then I. To my knowledge, she does kind of do a backtrack.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Where she's like, no, no, no. It wasn't like cheating. Where are y'all getting that from? It was.

[Sierra]

She was sobbing on that. On that speedboat after Ted Margaritas and definitely said he was cheating.

[Natalie]

Definitely.

[Sierra]

So you can't backtrack that.

[Natalie]

What was his. What wasn't. He asked something on Watch what happens live. Didn't Andy be like, what's. What's are you.

[Sierra]

I'm usually pretty hammered when I do this, so I don't remember much. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Great. Okay.

[Sierra]

They were lovely, though. When I was talking to her, she was like, wait till the season unfolds. Like, Heather and I are really going to go at it. And I get. People think I'm Heather Gay all the time.

[Natalie]

Do they?

[Sierra]

Yeah. And Heather Gay's been so sweet to me, but I was at a restaurant in Denver at Quality Meats, and I had a show that night in Denver. And this. I'm standing outside waiting on my car, and this woman walks out and she was like, heather. And I turn around, she goes, g, you're not Heather Gay. And I said, oh, I'm so sorry. No, I'm not Heather Gaye. She goes, I heard there was a famous Heather out there. Ugh. I was so. This fan was so upset that I was not Heather Gay. I mean, from the back, we both have blonde hair. And I was like, no, I'm so sorry, ma'am. I was like, would you like A hug, and she just walked back at the restaurant. I was like, okay, fantastic. Yeah.

[Natalie]

So no selfie?

[Sierra]

Yeah, no selfie. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Perfect.

[Sierra]

Salt Lake City is. Is doing the lord's work. That's all we need to know.

[Natalie]

They are carrying, I believe, the entire franchise.

[Sierra]

However, Beverly hills is a good.

[Natalie]

Beverly hills is really good. Beverly hills is good. How are you feeling about Doritos? Like, single era.

[Sierra]

This is the first time I've liked Dorit.

[Emily Baker]

Same.

[Sierra]

This is the first time I've been like, I connect with Dorit.

[Nick]

Well, you actually believe what she's saying this season? Last season, I was like, I don't know. Fashion, fashion, fashion.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And I feel like she's dropping the accent a little bit. Like, when she's arguing with people, she's getting a little bit more Connecticut.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Sierra]

Less like Cotswold's woman of the world.

[Natalie]

Right, Right.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Denise is coming out. Not Dorit.

[Sierra]

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I. I like. I just love seeing Kathy Hilton driving around and her Bentley. Mercy. What am I trying to say? Convertible. Jesus. I'm. I'm really having a stroke here. I'm just obsessed with her and her sun hat. Driving around in the Bentley, trying to be a normal gal. That brings me so much joy. Seeing somebody that rich try and relate.

[Natalie]

She. To me is like the Mary of Yes. You know?

[Sierra]

Yes. With her box fan and drinking red bulls at 2am because you thought it was like a cloth club soda.

[Nick]

You're always like, what's next?

[Sierra]

What's next?

[Nick]

What could they possibly do that's going to be amazing no matter how it lands.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Whether it lands or doesn't land. It's all. It's all fun.

[Sierra]

And I love that Kathy Hilton keeps pushing, like, Hilton products, like, as if we don't. We've never heard of the brand Hilton hotels. You know, they're always doing a product placement for Hilton, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure Hilton's doing okay.

[Nick]

My new line.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You ever heard of it At Hilton hotel?

[Natalie]

Like, yeah, wasn't Beverly Hilton. Isn't that where the golden globes were? The golden globes were.

[Sierra]

Yep. We. We got ready. I spent the night there. A lot of, you know, things have gone down at the Beverly Hilton, so I was definitely hoping there were no ghosts in my room. So. Yeah. Yeah.

[Emily Baker]

But it was great.

[Natalie]

Feel any?

[Sierra]

No, I did not. But they had the heat blasting, and I just got to say something. In Los Angeles in January, if it gets chilly at night, these hotels have got to quit. They turn off the heat.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I Mean, I'm waking up, can't catch my breath.

[Nick]

They're acting like winter finally showed up, and they're really excited.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's some bullshit. Yeah. So I'm dry, I'm dusty, I'm dry. My eyes are watering. I'm really shutting down, you know?

[Natalie]

When do you go back home?

[Sierra]

A month. I'm here all month.

[Natalie]

You're here all month?

[Sierra]

I'm here all month. I'm doing the Critics Choice this weekend. Then I'm gonna go to Hawaii for a couple days. I come back, I work, and then I head back to the east coast, and then I'm back on tour.

[Natalie]

Is your husband back at home in Atlanta?

[Sierra]

He's at home watching the Frenchies right now, and then he's gonna come out next week because he's made a lot of golf tee times, so he's got. He's got places to hit.

[Natalie]

You know What. What are your Frenchies names?

[Sierra]

Rigatoni and Macaroni Love.

[Natalie]

My sister has two as well, and they're Beatrice and Tinkerbell.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God, they're perfect. Bt. Bt. I got Max and Rigs, and they're the loves of my life, and I birth them, and they breastfed, and everything about it's perfect. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

And they will bite your children, so don't bring them over to my house.

[Natalie]

My sister locks hers up, too.

[Sierra]

Yeah, they're all crazy. And, you know, sleep in the bed with you. Absolutely. They. Mouth to mouth? Tongue. Tongue to tongue. Tit to tit. Yes, absolutely. We do a lot of skin to skin. Those are my babies.

[Natalie]

Butthole to butthole.

[Sierra]

Butthole to butthole. Yeah. If you don't wake up in the middle of the night and you got a French butthole on your butthole, then you don't love your dogs, so I believe that.

[Nick]

Are you following the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni story?

[Sierra]

Yes, but I don't know what is up, what is down. I am so confused. I'm trying to keep up. I. I don't know what the fuck's happening.

[Natalie]

They have our head and, like, a blender, and they're just, like, blending it up.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I mean, I. I don't. I don't know what's happening.

[Emily Baker]

I.

[Sierra]

All I know is, my friend. All I know is just. The whole press tour was confusing. The movie was confusing. I was never d dialed into that story. But what can you update me on? Does he have receipts?

[Nick]

He's like, you. You said it was okay that I came into your trailer while you're Pumping one day as if that was, like, a green light for everything going forward.

[Sierra]

Got it. And were there specific incidences that she said? Because I know she said, like, he was showing her, like, nude videos.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah. She said there was a lot of, like, ad libbing and sexual scenes where he's like, and now I'm gonna, like, make out with your neck, even though that wasn't approved in a script. And I want to bite your lip and I want to suck on your tongue. And I was like, whoa, whoa. I don't want.

[Sierra]

It takes so little not to be a creep.

[Natalie]

So little.

[Sierra]

So that's why whenever I hear these stories, like, yeah, they were being a fudgeing creep. I mean, you just got to go to work and not be a creep. How fucking hard is that?

[Natalie]

It can't. It can't be that hard.

[Sierra]

Can't be that hard. Come on, guys.

[Natalie]

So that's kind of what's taking over pop culture currently in this moment. All right, so we'll see. It's. It continuously unfolds more and more and more and more. So, you know, hang on.

[Sierra]

I'm hanging on. I'm doing the best I can, truly, you know.

[Nick]

Have you ever had, like, somebody try.

[Sierra]

And suck my neck on a scene? I didn't want you to bring up the old porn I used to do.

[Heather McMahon]

But now that we're here.

[Sierra]

No, I would love to be cast as, like, the. The hot girl who, you know, that fantasy plays in my mind all the time that I'm, you know, I'm with. I don't know, the Rock, Dwayne Johnson, and something fabulous is happening. But no, I'm always, like, the funny best friend. I love the Rock who's, like, plays the alcoholic. Yeah, I do, too. He's. There's something about Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Yeah, the Rock.

[Natalie]

Dwayne Johnson.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's his brother.

[Sierra]

It is his brother.

[Nick]

I'm assuming you've met guys who, like, you know, wherever it's work or in situations like show up as, like, these super nice guy and says all the right things, and all of a sudden, behind closed door, they're like, what are you, fucking weirdo?

[Sierra]

I'm in comedy. Okay. You know, they're all like that. No, there's. There's a lot of good guys, but, yeah, a lot of these. These guys, again, how hard is it? Just don't be a creep. Yeah, it's not that hard.

[Natalie]

A lot of them, I'm sure, also think they're being funny.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, it's like, well, I will.

[Sierra]

Say though, I'm 5 10, big broad shoulders, and I kind of. I, I'm lucky. I haven't had a lot of situations where people have tried to take advantage of me because when you're this tall in this business and like, you're a tall dude, but most of the guys in this biz are little, little pipsqueaks. So a lot of them know that I could put them in a loose headlock and lights out, you know. So I think I physically command a room. When I walk in, they're like, okay, we're not going to with this. And I remove myself from the industry because I live in Atlanta, I come, I do my thing, I have my friends, I see my, my, my folks, I do the gigs and then I get the out of here. And I love la. I lived here for years. My husband and I met living in New York. We lived in New York. But I enjoy kind of living not in, in the biz. Yeah, I really do. Because that way I, you know, I see it, I leave it, I do my thing, but then I don't have to deal with this bullshit all day. Yeah, right. A little bit.

[Natalie]

So you're. I learned in your special that you are a golf widow.

[Sierra]

I'm a golf widow. Okay.

[Natalie]

So my daddy. Your daddy, well, at once upon a time, he was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world.

[Sierra]

Wait, yeah. Hold on. Did he. Did he got a long drive and a big dog? Wow.

[Natalie]

Well, he's got seven kids, so.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

My mom used to say, honey, your daddy could hang his coat up beside mine. I get pregnant.

[Sierra]

Wait. Oh, my God. How do you feel knowing that your father is an enormous dick? Yeah.

[Nick]

Talk about it for the first time.

[Sierra]

You don't love it.

[Natalie]

I don't love it.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick]

You should tell him about the Christmas gift he gave you.

[Natalie]

So he, he's a dreamer. He's, you know, created his own businesses and since he, he used to. Then he started taking over golf courses and being like, I was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world. I should like, make this golf course better. And he was really good at it.

[Sierra]

Okay. And that's a very prestigious job. Very prestigious to run golf courses. People don't know that, but that's, that's a hard gig to get.

[Natalie]

Exactly. Then got super sick.

[Emily Baker]

Almost.

[Natalie]

Oh, God. Oh, God bless. Almost lost his life a few times. Currently laid up in a hospital bed in his living room.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Yeah, so did.

[Sierra]

He's not well. Wellness chick on Diddy.

[Natalie]

Not well.

[Sierra]

Physically unwell.

[Natalie]

Physically self Induced, definitely. Like the diet he had, you know, for a long time.

[Sierra]

I mean, like, did we lose a leg? Is it the diabetes flare up or whatever? It's close.

[Natalie]

We're close to. We're close to losing toes and legs.

[Sierra]

Oh, God.

[Natalie]

I know, but they're all wrapped up. At my wedding, he had to wear Crocs. He couldn't get nothing over his feet.

[Nick]

That's some trauma dumping going on right now.

[Natalie]

So he was wearing black tie, tuxedo.

[Sierra]

And black Crocs cuz daddy's toes were small. Daddy's toes were too small cuz he had the sugars. Hold on, I need a minute.

[Natalie]

Too much sugar.

[Sierra]

This is the funniest I've ever heard. We've all been there, honey. Let me tell you what it. You know how many people I know in the state of Georgia right now whose toes are swole? You know what I mean? We're. We're all doing the best.

[Natalie]

If you don't have gout, what are you doing?

[Sierra]

If you don't have gout or toenail's about to fall off because you know you drank too much Coca Cola as a kid, then you ain't living your best life.

[Natalie]

You're not. And so he was putting sweet tea in my bottle as a baby.

[Sierra]

So I put on 45 pounds my freshman year at the University of Mississippi. Because every time I was hungover, which was every, every day of my life, I'd have a giant sweet tea. And I didn't realize it was like 40,000 gallons.

[Natalie]

Oh, God, Yeah.

[Sierra]

And I would be like walking to like biology. And I was like, I feel great. I got the nectar of the gods in me. Yeah, okay.

[Natalie]

Exactly, exactly. And so he has now, you know, needed something to live for. So he has started a new business.

[Sierra]

And it is from the bed.

[Natalie]

From the bed.

[Sierra]

I love a work from home entrepreneur.

[Nick]

Nothing will stop him.

[Natalie]

He's remote. So Covid made him remote.

[Sierra]

Covid made him remote. Not the loss of limbs. Covid made him remote. We all decided just to reevaluate our work from home situation. Okay. Okay.

[Natalie]

Exactly. So he started this new business and it's basically like, you know, Salt Life.

[Sierra]

Do I know Salt Life? Do you know Guy Harvey?

[Nick]

Yes.

[Sierra]

We'll talk about that later. But yeah.

[Natalie]

So he basically is doing a Salt Life brand called Salt we're older than we.

[Sierra]

I can't catch my breath.

[Nick]

Boating shirts with some big logo on the back.

[Natalie]

Well, he had to sell his boat because they had to pay for some medical expenses. So he gave me this Shirt from his brand. It's like all these names of these boats, and, you know, people name their boats weird shit.

[Sierra]

Oh, I already have my boat name picked out.

[Natalie]

What is it?

[Sierra]

So my podcast called Absolutely not, but I would get absolutely catching knot. Like a nautical knot. Absolutely not.

[Natalie]

Oh, that's good.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Thank you. I thought about that. That's really good. Thank you. Okay, continue.

[Natalie]

Okay. You know, my brother Tony probably knows.

[Sierra]

Yellow comfort color T shirts. I know they're very soft, so I already know they are.

[Natalie]

They are. It's given a dry fit material. I love someone.

[Sierra]

Oh, I love dry fit.

[Nick]

It's breathable.

[Emily Baker]

It's breathable.

[Sierra]

You know what I love?

[Nick]

With wicks away moisture.

[Sierra]

Oh, thank God. You know, he did his research. You know who did his research? Did he.

[Natalie]

Because you know what he was doing? Laid up on the hospital bed and had his computer because he's working remote.

[Sierra]

He had plenty of time to finger some samples, call some people over in a couple factories abroad. I love that.

[Natalie]

And he was making everybody hats.

[Sierra]

But what kind of hats?

[Natalie]

Baseball caps.

[Sierra]

I'm sorry. Like a fitted. Like a nice trucker.

[Natalie]

Yeah, no, no, he wouldn't do trucker because he thought that truckers were, like, not.

[Sierra]

No, it's definitely a dot org. And then there's a link just like a. Like a child obesity charity that you think he's everybody. You think you're donating to chubby kids, but it's actually. You're buying merch.

[Natalie]

I don't believe he has a website, which I feel like is his first mistake in business.

[Sierra]

And you have six siblings.

[Natalie]

I do. Yeah.

[Sierra]

So somebody in the family has to take this upon themselves to run this empire.

[Natalie]

And unfortunately, I. I said, does he have a website? My brother put laughing emoji. Not yet.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

So we're working on it.

[Sierra]

Listen, I don't have free time, but I could take this up as my new gig.

[Nick]

He also gave you a very beautiful, beautiful Christmas ornament.

[Natalie]

Yes, he did. So my dear grandmother passed away two years ago.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Thank you very much.

[Sierra]

His mama.

[Natalie]

His mama, Betty Sue. Grandmother.

[Sierra]

Hell, yeah.

[Natalie]

And so for Christmas, he gave me an ornament of her where she's not smiling, and it says, I'm always with you.

[Sierra]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Because I just said that twice. Y'all owe me $20. Wait.

[Nick]

It's a big glass ornament with a picture of her and it.

[Natalie]

And she's not smiling and it's. She's always with you.

[Nick]

Right before the day she died.

[Sierra]

I don't know how y'all feel about it? But I don't really have a lot of photos of my dead relatives around the house, you know, and people get upset about that, but I'm like, they're there. They're on the phone. Right. They're in the heart.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Sierra]

I don't need everybody haunting me.

[Nick]

It's the biggest ornament we have.

[Sierra]

Of course it is.

[Natalie]

Yeah. It's about this big.

[Sierra]

What did you do? What was your reaction when you opened it?

[Natalie]

Well, first, my brother Jackson was the only one who got one. And he sent it in the family group message.

[Nick]

The shirt or the ornament? Because she was actually sad. Everyone else got a T shirt. T shirt but her.

[Sierra]

Huh. If you had a boat, what would you say on your boat? Would you buy your boat?

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. I haven't thought about it long enough.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, I'm just saying these are things.

[Nick]

Technically, we have a boat.

[Natalie]

We have a pontoon, but it doesn't have a name.

[Nick]

No.

[Sierra]

Where's your boat?

[Nick]

Wisconsin.

[Sierra]

Oh, hell yeah. Could we talk about Wisconsin?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You like Wisconsin?

[Sierra]

I love Wisconsin.

[Nick]

Coming to the lake house.

[Sierra]

I would love to come to lake house. And as an entrepreneur, as a real estate mogul, I think I need to start getting some land up north. I'm feeling Wisconsin and Michigan.

[Nick]

We have some perfect league property we'd love to talk to you about.

[Sierra]

Really? I'm dead ass.

[Nick]

I am trying to get all the cool people I know to buy property.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, then sold. Because I keep telling my husband, I'm like, what we need. It's getting warmer. You know what I mean? Also, it's a heat on in here. My God, I'm sweating. Yeah. I would love to buy something up on a beautiful lake up there. I like the vibes. It's chill. When it's August in Georgia and it's 140 fucking degrees, I need to be. I need something crisp and cool.

[Nick]

Middle of September, I was paddle boarding on the lake. It was 80 degrees, done. And then we were ice skating on winter on there.

[Natalie]

Right. So I don't know if you're a Packer fan.

[Sierra]

I'm not a Packers fan. But you know what? I. Why not?

[Nick]

It's like SC football.

[Emily Baker]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You see football?

[Natalie]

Sc.

[Sierra]

Sc.

[Natalie]

It's SC football.

[Nick]

Sec.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Sexy football. It's sexy football. You know what? Listen, everybody else all over the country is just jealous. People try and talk about the sec. Y'all are just jealous that we have a community and we're fun and we party and all the girls Are cute. And the guys all look like our ditties and all wearing loafers. They're all wearing loafers. And God, when I look back at some of the guys I dated at Ole Miss, I'm like, what the fuck was I?

[Nick]

It is weird, though. Like, the guys look the way they do and the ladies look the way they. Yeah, it is definitely a huge, like.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

They're bred differently for sure.

[Nick]

But how the guys pull that off.

[Natalie]

You know, it's our only options.

[Sierra]

It's our only options.

[Nick]

And the khakis and then the, like, the sunglasses, the sunglass holders.

[Sierra]

For some reason, we all had low self esteem for a couple. Couple years. Yeah. And now we're. It's changing. The tides are changing. Yeah. Cuz when I go back to Ole Miss, the guys are hot. They got it together. No. Kids also work out now. Like, when I was in college, I didn't go to the student fitness center once. I was like, no, I'm gonna walk to the bar.

[Emily Baker]

It's different.

[Sierra]

We didn't really have social media. Like, we had Facebook, but nobody really cared. Like, I put on like £63 one year. People were like, you've never. You're glowing. And I was not 15.

[Natalie]

Like, wasn't a thing.

[Sierra]

No, that was not. I walked in the house at Christmas break and my mom goes, turn around. I. I can't look at you. I was like, you're right, it's bad. I didn't know how to blend a smoky eye. I had no eyebrows, so I. But I. I was thriving. I didn't know any. Any wiser. But, like, now the kids have the tick tocks. You got to be hot.

[Natalie]

You have to be.

[Sierra]

The guys have to be hot, the girls, everybody. It has to be equal now.

[Natalie]

Yeah. That is so true. Were you. Where'd you grow up?

[Sierra]

I grew up in Atlanta.

[Natalie]

In Atlanta?

[Sierra]

Yeah. I grew up in Atlanta.

[Natalie]

And were you going to bars at like 11?

[Sierra]

I sure was. I sure was.

[Natalie]

I.

[Sierra]

Thank you for bringing up my. My old habits. No, my. I had an older sister and she went to Georgia Tech. So I would literally go down to, like, the fraternity parties. And I'm, you know, a sophomore in high school and just got my braces off, but I'm like, my titties are coming in. So I was. I was lurking at the party. I was the predator. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. We were partying. We would go up to Athens. Like, all of our friends, older siblings were in Athens. Like, we were. Oh, yeah. We were ranging.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

So that's why when I got to college, I obviously had a good time. But I did. I wasn't one of those kids. Kids who, like, went off the deep end because I was like, guys, I've been doing this. I was like, I showed up with the menthols. It's like, y'all don't even know what we've been through.

[Natalie]

Exactly. That's why I feel like I was able to get married and have a baby at 25. Yeah, well, technically, 20. How old was I when I got pregnant? 24. I don't know. 25. Because I was in the bars and partying at 11 years old. So I was like, you know, I've done that.

[Sierra]

We've lived the lives.

[Natalie]

I've lived the lives. Now I'm ready.

[Sierra]

Now I'm ready to settle down at the ripe old age as 16. I'm ready to be a team Ride team Mom.

[Natalie]

I am. And I am. And, you know, I feel like we have a mutual hatred for Alabama.

[Sierra]

We do. But I love Coach Saban. I do. Because I'm going to tell you, here's the thing.

[Nick]

Don't get him.

[Sierra]

He's. He's great. And I love his daughter. She's a friend of mine. And I just love. I love Ms. Terry. I love them. I made a lot of jokes about them in my special, but it's because it comes out of respect. So you can't not like the family. But Alabama fans are crazy, and they haunt me and they say, roll tide of my comments. I'm like, we're not even. We haven't played y'all, like, three years. Like, let it fucking go. What are we doing here?

[Natalie]

You know? They killed our tree.

[Sierra]

They did kill your tree. Tumors corner. Right?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And I think that was. They didn't. It was just some psycho redneck Alabama fan. I mean, in Tuscaloosa's, it's not a great town. And then they're going to come for me. Why am I saying this? I'm going to lose an entire demographic of my. Of my fans. But, yeah, no, I mean, they came for y'all, and it wasn't nice. They killed your tree.

[Natalie]

They killed our tree. They poisoned our tree.

[Sierra]

They're slowly destroying our tree ecosystem one.

[Natalie]

By one, one Alabama fan at a time.

[Nick]

Well, they weren't good this year, so.

[Sierra]

They weren't good.

[Natalie]

And honestly, I think it's karma and they deserved it.

[Sierra]

And we were good. And, yeah, we choked a big dick at Florida, but we should have been in the playoffs. I do Strongly feel it that way.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, we're never good.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You guys, you guys came back a little bit.

[Natalie]

It's okay.

[Sierra]

You have our, our old coach. You do, really? I think you got our hand me down. Who's your coach right now, Coach Nut.

[Natalie]

Nut.

[Sierra]

Nut. Who's your.

[Natalie]

No, not who's Auburn? Coach Malon.

[Sierra]

No, no. War Eagle. War Eagle. Houston Nut. I think you have our old coach.

[Natalie]

Can't be Houston Nut. Gotta be Hugh Free.

[D]

Hugh Freeze.

[Natalie]

Our old coach, Houston Nut.

[Sierra]

Yeah, sorry that we had Houston Nut. He left.

[Natalie]

How's that? How does he feel with that name?

[Sierra]

Well, actually we used to have towels that we called. We called them nut rags and we would spin them in the stadium. So honestly, great branding and marketing. As a guy, how do you feel about the NIL deals?

[Nick]

I'm a definitely an NFL guy over a college football guy, you know.

[Sierra]

Sorry, the Nil deals?

[Nick]

Yeah, the. Them paying.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Nick]

I mean, I'm honestly fine.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

With it. I'm glad the kids are getting paid.

[Sierra]

I'm glad the kids are getting paid.

[Nick]

I mean NCAA was definitely like organized crime.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

A lot of, A lot of rich old men just like making a lot of money over athletic kids who like really afford lunch.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Or like, you know, would get in trouble because someone bought them a dinner. Uh huh. Seem kind of weird. I don't have all the answers. I'm sure there's a lot of like.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Gaps and, and, and, and I don't know if it's like done good for the, the sport, but whatever.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Did you see Baby Girl?

[Sierra]

I haven't seen Baby Girl yet.

[Natalie]

Are you waiting for it to get.

[Sierra]

On on the streaming? Yeah, I am. Well, here's the thing because when I got my neck done, I wasn't really able to leave the house that much, so I had to watch stuff from home. But Baby Girl's on the top of my list because I love, I Love, love Ms. Nicole.

[Natalie]

Oh, and so do I. And I also love an erotic thriller.

[Sierra]

Oh, do I love erotica. I tell you what, I love to listen to erotic books. And that's, that's something my Mimi used to do. She used to always read the romance novels. I remember picking one of those up when I was like 10 and I was like, mimi, this is steamy.

[Nick]

Oh my God, now he's reading them now.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, I have to go in and out because sometimes I do in fact need a break. My needs a break.

[Sierra]

Can I be honest with you? That is if I ever remember for president. That would be my platform. I'm Heather McMahon running for president, and my needs a break. Every woman in America does feel like our clit needs a break.

[Natalie]

And sometimes it does.

[Sierra]

It does. It does. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So I do have to take breaks from my erotica books and music and TV shows and movies.

[Sierra]

Now, when you go to look at porn, what is. What is your girl and girl. Girl.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. I don't need to say dick.

[Sierra]

Are you kidding me? Wait a minute. I'm so glad we can discuss this.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Because you want to know why? It's like they're both attractive.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Sierra]

I've never had, like, a lesbian trait. No, it's just everyone seems pleased.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Sierra]

So if I see a sex scene and it's some guy with a barbed wire tattoo who immediately starts like, making a, like, skull fucking a girl, I'm literally calling the cops. I'm like, who is it? Who are these actors? This is not consensual. Everyone's ugly. I hate them and I report them. I leave a one star review exactly.

[Natalie]

The second a hand is on my head.

[Sierra]

Absolutely not.

[Natalie]

I'm out.

[Sierra]

I'm out. I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So girl on girl. Because I don't need the aggressiveness of the man. Men involved.

[Sierra]

If everyone's just seeing, like, they're petting some kitty cats and having a good time, I'm like, you know what it is? Okay. I think I just figured out because as women were so high strung, we're so overstimulated. It's like you finally see two women relaxing. It's not even anything sexual. It's not like, oh, it's like, I don't want to stare at a vagina.

[Nick]

There's like, two women working on their mental health.

[Sierra]

No, literally, it's watching two women finally take a fucking break. That is porn for us.

[Nick]

Maybe that's why it does nothing for me.

[Sierra]

Yes, yes, that's probably why.

[Nick]

Too relaxed.

[Sierra]

They seem too relaxed now. What? Your porn style.

[Nick]

I'm not talking.

[Sierra]

Come on. Okay, fine.

[Heather McMahon]

Spill it, spill it, spill it.

[Nick]

I don't know. Like, he doesn't want man woman. You know.

[Sierra]

Not gay. They worry about that. That's it. Man woman. Definitely straight sex.

[Natalie]

Never.

[Nick]

Never two dudes.

[Sierra]

If I saw two dudes in the same room exit, even if they were just circle jerking, I'd be like, report. Yeah, that's great. That was. That was just such a great, great response. We felt it. We felt. We got it. We got it. I. When I Found on my husband's porn. I was very relieved, though. I. It was kind of like. It was just kind of a little boring. And I was like, oh, that's nice.

[Natalie]

It wasn't like, stepdaughters nanny.

[Sierra]

No, absolutely not. No. There was no weird. Like, it's a title. And anytime time, it's like, young. I'm like, whoa.

[Natalie]

Whoa.

[Sierra]

I go, whoa.

[Natalie]

How young?

[Sierra]

Why are we even saying that? That freaks me. The no.

[Emily Baker]

Whoa.

[Sierra]

I literally type in mature, mature lesbians who both have mortgages on homes. Like, that's what I'm looking for. I don't want any responsible, fiscally responsible.

[Natalie]

Has 401k.

[Sierra]

Has 401k above the age of 35 or bust. I absolutely am not. I don't understand this. I mean, people are sick bucks. Sick, sick bucks.

[Natalie]

I sometimes when I will, like, see Nick or catch Nick or maybe he's like. I'm like, oh, let me look something up on Google quick on. Oh, my God, it pops up. I'm like, read that out loud to me.

[Sierra]

That is my favorite way to humiliate. Please read that loud. And it's like, I love to squirt 3000. Okay. And then I turn to on cat.

[Natalie]

Sitter, and it's like, really? I want you to say it.

[Sierra]

I want you to say it it out loud. That you wanted to watch the cats that are squirt across the room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

[Natalie]

Say it.

[Sierra]

Say it out loud.

[Nick]

It's, like, in front of the class, too. No, I have to say it out loud.

[Sierra]

My favorite thing in the world is to catch my husband jerking off. It brings me so much joy. I laugh about it deeply for days.

[Natalie]

What is his reaction? Is it like a little boy?

[Sierra]

You got me. Do you. There's love on the floor.

[Nick]

Do you also just look at him and go, yeah. And I walk away and with such shame.

[Sierra]

I literally clothes. I go, are you for real right now? I'm like, my mom's home. Okay? You're disgusting.

[Natalie]

Are you being serious?

[Sierra]

Are there days where I'm like, I'm home. And I go, I was literally. I'm just, like, putting up the dishes. You could have fucking texted me, and we could have done this together, you know? You just seem like you were stressed out. I would be less stressed if you just fucked me, you know? Yeah, no, there's. He has a setup. I'm working actually on this whole new bit, but he has a full setup where, like, he's got, like, the iPad up the phone, the. He's got the Lotions, the potions. He's in the chair, the towels.

[Nick]

He's multi streaming.

[Sierra]

He's multi streaming.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

You had to squirt across.

[Natalie]

What does he think about while he's eating you out? It's got to be, I mean, so much.

[Sierra]

No, he's thinking about Penn State football, period. I know he is. He's so dialed in right now and it's stressful. He's one of those who like, doesn't have a healthy relationship with sports. Like, he thinks he's the coach and he's.

[Nick]

He's in playoff football.

[Sierra]

He's in playoff football right now. So that'll. Yeah. I hope he's re upped his blood pressure medication because I'm worried about that. But I'm going to ask him. I'm going to ask him about that.

[Natalie]

You should ask him to read them out.

[Sierra]

I am. Because he's done a lot of work down there and hasn't really gone up here because the neck still swollen.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

So I'm going to ask them that. I'm going to text him right after this.

[Natalie]

Could you?

[Sierra]

I would. And I'll report back to you.

[Natalie]

That would be great.

[Sierra]

But that is. Wow. We really uncovered something there that women like to watch other women have sex because they just like to know that they're relaxed.

[Natalie]

Exactly. It's like a look into therapy session.

[Sierra]

It really is.

[Natalie]

And it's like, wow.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I never though the pizza guy comes over. They're always gross. God. Yeah. Why can't there be more attractive men in porn?

[Natalie]

Why can't there be? It's always women with the biggest set of titties.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And then a guy who just looks like he got crawled out from under a subway station.

[Sierra]

Literally. He's selling meth under the 101.

[Natalie]

He is.

[Nick]

But he has a giant.

[Sierra]

I don't care.

[Natalie]

With fourteens around it.

[Sierra]

We don't care about the giant cock. I could give a. I really. I'm just like, oh, UTI for three days.

[Nick]

We're really seeking, man.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

I do feel like male porn star names too are always something scary that feels like you would contract something. Like it's.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Rusty, Donnie, Chester. Yeah. I don't like it.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

You know, but you know, it's nice to click on Miranda. Miranda and Lindsay.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

Have fun on the soccer field. Not the. That's again. That's public. I also don't when people like, oh, where's the craziest place you had sex? I'm like, in my. Where I currently have sex my mom's house. Like, I don't. I'm not trying to have sex out and about.

[Nick]

That's very. Yeah, that's very high school.

[Natalie]

Like we don't like. Let's just wait till we get home.

[Sierra]

Wait till we get home.

[Emily Baker]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like we don't need to do it in this like public restroom. Like that feels.

[Sierra]

I know my mom could come home from Trader Joe's at any minute. We're already risky, you know? Yeah. I don't. It's not, it's not very hot. It's not.

[Natalie]

You don't feel like rushed?

[Sierra]

Oh no, I do feel hot. I feel rushed. I feel sweaty. I feel stressed.

[Nick]

Our. Our daughter was. Was conceived with Nellie's mom there.

[Sierra]

Okay. Where. Where was she in the home?

[Natalie]

I believe she was sleeping.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Or maybe she wasn't sleeping. Maybe she was just in the bedroom next door cheering you guys. Maybe she was watching Girl. Girl on girl.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Honestly what she was doing. But yeah, she was conceived that night.

[Sierra]

And that's a beautiful thing.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Sierra]

That's really great.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I'm. I'm glad that we have the memory of when she was conceived. I feel like maybe it'd be a little bit more confusing if it was maybe every day.

[Nick]

Oh no, I think needs to step.

[Natalie]

Up, you know, it's. It's like I'm in the kitchen.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh huh. I hear you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you have a beautiful baby.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Sierra]

And I might need an egg. So if you guys, if you like get done. You know what I mean? Because you're young, you got great jeans. I would really love an egg. Maybe. Possibly.

[Natalie]

I would love to give you.

[Sierra]

I'm probably going to do like another round of egg freezing, IVF and stuff. And I just don't have it in me right now. I've been a little busy and I'm tired and I'm very bloated, so I might need, you know, you're young and youthful.

[Natalie]

Happy to.

[Sierra]

We're already kindred spirits. So I'm just saying, I mean, we could do it. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You don't have to be a part of it or you can.

[Nick]

I got the sense of like, why are you inviting yourself now?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Have you ever. Has, has you ever entered your relationship, like a thought.

[Sierra]

Say that again.

[Natalie]

Swinging.

[Sierra]

No. And I'll tell you why. If I was going to have a threesome, I wouldn't swing. I don't want to swing with another couple.

[D]

It's too.

[Natalie]

It's.

[Sierra]

If I Was to have a threesome. I'm on the Lido deck on a cruise. I will never see these people again. Okay.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I'm also not going to try and be between two men.

[Natalie]

Absolutely not.

[Sierra]

So I'm going to get. I'm going to get like, just pit roasted. Like, I don't know. I don't want to. I have enough holes, but I don't want more dick slapping me in the face. I don't want that. Or if I was with another woman, I might get a little jealous. She getting more attention. I just feel like the math is not mathing there.

[Emily Baker]

Right.

[Sierra]

And I don't ever want to swing because women, we all talk about our husbands, our boyfriends, our partners, whatever, you know, like if one of my girlfriends, we're on a group chat, one of my girlfriend's husband has like, hemorrhoids, we know about it. Like, God damn it. Mark woke up with hemorrhoids and he's being a fucking asshole. Yeah. So I know too much about these people, even if they're attractive. I'm not trying to fudge any of my friends. Spouses. No. I'm like, okay. Dan had diarrhea for four days.

[Natalie]

So true.

[Sierra]

You know, I'm like, I'm good. I know too much. I'm good. I don't look at any of these people in a sexual life that's so very attractive, but I'm good.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Sierra]

Would you ever want to swing?

[Emily Baker]

No.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I think for that exact reason, you know, I just feel like close confidant is probably not the rap out to take.

[Sierra]

Hey, let's just recap. I came in upset about my dead father. Then I told you I had my neck done. Now we're talking about our board kitchen. Our spouse is jerking off. Well, you know what? I don't want to seem like an old lady. Maybe I should put that out there. Maybe I add that to my vision board. Anybody would like to have a threesome, just let me know. I probably won't respond to the dm, but I just like to know that people want me, you know What I mean?

[Natalie]

20, 25, right next to the green juice, right next to the Pilates board, all that.

[Sierra]

Just let me know if you'd ever, never consider me. I would. Really, I just need that. Just. I just want to fill my spirit with that level of confidence.

[Natalie]

Okay. Perfect.

[Nick]

Heather, you're awesome.

[Sierra]

You guys are great. Thank you for having me. This was a lot of fun. I really love you.

[Nick]

Anytime we can promote everything you're doing.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I got a tour coming up. Get your tickets at heather and tour.com it's the bamboozled Tour and I got a podcast and you know, I don't.

[Natalie]

Know what's the name of the podcast?

[Sierra]

Absolutely not.

[Natalie]

Thank God.

[Sierra]

Okay. I think I said it five times, so I think somebody's got to pay me money for that. So.

[Natalie]

Yeah, okay.

[Sierra]

But yeah, check the podcast out and come see me on the road.

[Natalie]

Can we come see you on the road?

[Sierra]

Absolutely. Okay.

[Natalie]

Thank God.

[Sierra]

I'll get you tickets to the LA show.

[Nick]

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