E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files – Episode E865

Title: Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Release Date: January 9, 2025
Host: Nick Viall
Guests: Natalie Joy, Sierra, Justin
Episode Type: Reality Recap Edition

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1. Acknowledging the Los Angeles Fires (00:51 – 03:50)

The episode begins with host Nick Viall addressing the devastating fires currently ravaging Los Angeles. He shares personal experiences, mentioning that member Sierra is temporarily residing in a hotel due to the destruction. The fires have led to widespread power outages, forcing many residents to evacuate.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall [00:51]: "It's a very terrifying situation... our thoughts and prayers go out to everyone."
• Sierra [01:41]: "The Palisades village is completely burned to the ground. It's heartbreaking."
• Justin [02:18]: "I was staring outside my hotel window and saw the mountains over Burbank catching on fire."

The group discusses the unusual timing of the fires, occurring in January, and extreme weather conditions exacerbating the situation. They commend the community's responsiveness to evacuation orders and express hope for containment soon.

2. Nick Viall's Water Fast and Household Dynamics (03:50 – 09:19)

Transitioning from the fires, Nick shares that he's embarked on a 36-hour water fast, aiming for four days. While he outlines the health benefits, including reduced cancer risk and decreased inflammation, the household experiences the challenges of his fasting.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall [03:50]: "I haven't eaten in 36 hours... I'm not recommending it to anyone."
• Sierra [04:37]: "He's the hangriest person I've ever been around."
• Nick Viall [07:09]: "I needed a cleanse. I've been eating way too much sugar lately."

The household humorously navigates Nick’s irritability, attributing his mood to hunger. Discussions touch on the struggle of maintaining household responsibilities and the playful teasing among members about his “hangry” state.

3. Nikki Glazer’s Golden Globes Performance (08:37 – 10:26)

The conversation shifts to Nikki Glazer's recent hosting debut at the Golden Globes, which received mixed reactions. While some admire her performance, others critique her approach and production decisions.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall [08:37]: "Nikki Glazer crushed everyone. Can't stop talking about it."
• Natalie [10:40]: "I was wondering why their angles of the presenters were so off."

The group speculates on the contractual aspects, noting Nikki's lucrative deal and pondering future hosting opportunities. They also compare CBS’s handling of live events to other networks, expressing a desire for smoother production in future broadcasts.

4. Justin Baldoni’s Leaked Voice Note and Legal Controversy (10:26 – 15:43)

A significant portion of the episode delves into Justin Baldoni's leaked voice memo, which has stirred public and legal debates. The memo allegedly contains candid remarks about events during his movie premiere, leading to widespread speculation and discussion about his actions and character.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall [11:30]: "Justin talking about being put in the basement on the premiere of his own movie."
• Natalie [14:24]: "His perspective to him is absolutely correct."
• Justin [15:04]: "I'm not going to be sold on text messages and screenshots."

The household examines the authenticity and implications of the leaked memo, debating Justin’s portrayal of events versus public perception. They also discuss the broader legal battle, emphasizing the need for patience as the situation unfolds, and question the motivations behind public statements from both parties involved.

5. Allison Holker’s Memoir and Backlash (15:43 – 29:43)

The discussion shifts to Allison Holker's decision to publish a memoir detailing her late husband Twitch's struggles with addiction and abuse. While some applaud her transparency, others criticize the timing and manner of her revelations, considering Twitch's legacy and her family's privacy.

Notable Quotes:

• Sierra [24:18]: "I feel like that's just rubbing the wrong way entirely."
• Natalie [25:22]: "She's monetizing the memoir... it's a touchy subject."
• Nick Viall [26:06]: "He's implying that all addicts are abusive, which isn't fair."

Criticism intensifies as friends and Twitch’s family members weigh in, accusing Allison of exploiting her husband's memory for personal gain. They highlight emotional distress caused by public disclosures, questioning the ethical boundaries of sharing deeply personal tragedies in the public eye.

6. Lindsay Hubbard’s Monetized Pregnancy Announcement (29:43 – 32:51)

Lindsay Hubbard faces backlash for monetizing her pregnancy announcement through brand partnerships. The household debates the intersection of personal milestones and commercial ventures, pondering the appropriateness and impact of such decisions.

Notable Quotes:

• Justin [30:14]: "Why do you care if she's making money off a pregnancy test?"
• Sierra [30:31]: "It’s just weird when people are like, how dare you make money off influencing?"

While some household members defend Lindsay’s right to capitalize on her experiences, others argue that certain personal moments should remain private and free from commercialization. The conversation explores societal expectations around authenticity and the commodification of personal life events.

7. Jennifer Aiden’s Firing from a Cruise (32:51 – 35:24)

Jennifer Aiden, a cast member of "Real Housewives of New Jersey," is fired from an upcoming cruise after an outburst, sparking discussions about behavior standards and second chances in reality television.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall [35:13]: "Jennifer Aiden is the only New Jersey housewife making headlines right now besides Melissa Gorga."
• Natalie [35:24]: "I have never heard of her before today."

The group critiques the cruise line’s decision, questioning the consistency of enforcing behavior policies and the implications for cast members’ careers. They speculate on the possibility of future appearances and the potential for redemption stories within the Bravo network.

8. Bravo and RHOBH Predictions for 2025 (36:03 – 58:52)

In the latter half of the episode, the household engages in lighthearted yet insightful predictions regarding upcoming seasons of Bravo shows, particularly focusing on "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" (RHOBH) and other related franchises.

Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall [53:30]: "Paige is going to date someone super rich or famous."
• Sierra [54:02]: "They got to mix the old with the new."

Predictions include potential new relationships, cast returns, and storyline developments. The discussion touches on personal dynamics, potential conflicts, and the ongoing evolution of reality TV narratives. They also draw parallels between sports and reality TV, emphasizing the competitive nature of both arenas.

9. Closing Remarks and Advertisements (58:52 – End)

The episode concludes with final thoughts on the discussed topics, heartfelt messages to those affected by the fires, and teasers for future episodes. Additionally, the transcript includes advertisements for sponsors like Progressive Insurance, T-Mobile, Kickoff, Ritual, Helix Sleep, and Rocket Money, which are outside the scope of content summary as per user instructions.

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Conclusion

Episode E865 of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive blend of serious discussions and lighthearted banter, covering significant local events like the Los Angeles fires, personal health journeys, and the intricate world of reality television. Through candid conversations and insightful predictions, Nick Viall and the household provide listeners with both emotional support and engaging content, encapsulating the essence of navigating love, life, and pop culture.

Transcript

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[Nick Viall]

You'Re crazy. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. We got the household here, obviously. I think we should start this episode by acknowledging these terrible fires that we have here in la. It's affecting. I mean, we got. Sierra's living in a hotel right now and thousands of homes sadly have been burned down. It's crazy. The, the skies here now, Los Angeles are full of smoke and clouds. It's a very terrifying situation. Thankfully, we are okay now and the rest of the household seems to be okay. But it was a very scary situation and obviously our, our thoughts and, and prayers go out to everyone. Scary situation.

[Sierra]

It is very scary. It is 0% contained as of this morning and it just keeps going and going and more fires keep starting and all of PCH basically was on fire last night. The Palisades village is completely burned to the ground. It's very sad. It's like I just, it's. I can't believe it's. It's real. I mean, it's just, it's heartbreaking.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's. I've lived in LA for 10, 11 years now or something like that. There's been a couple years where there's been like days where it's just like, holy shit, there's a lot of fires. This seems to be worse than I can remember.

[Justin]

It's also Very close to home. Like I was staring outside my hotel window and I could see the mountains over Burbank catching on fire. And it's just kind of.

[Nick Viall]

When did you have to leave? Like what?

[Justin]

My power was out since 8am yesterday. So after work when I got home around like five or six and realizing we still have no power and I need wifi and food and whatnot. So we packed up our car, our dog, and we are now staying in a hotel.

[Nick Viall]

How long do you know?

[Justin]

Last update that we got about power said 24 to 48 hours. So I'll be staying there again tonight and possibly tomorrow night.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I don't think this is a normal fire season either. Like this is clearly.

[Justin]

We usually get Santa Ana winds at the end of August, September, and that's usually when our fire season is. This is very unique for it to be happening in January, but I've never even seen winds in California going 60, 80, 100 miles an hour.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, it's crazy. Last night.

[Natalie]

Yeah, they couldn't drop any water on the fires last night because they literally couldn't get any like planes up because the wind, it was.

[Justin]

Couldn't fly helicopters, couldn't do planes at night.

[Nick Viall]

So yeah, it's a terrible fire.

[Justin]

Just raged all night.

[Nick Viall]

Well, obviously we are thinking of all those affected, you know, whatever you can do to support.

[Sierra]

Also I think it's. People are doing a very good job of evacuating when our officials say that their area needs to evacuate. And I am just, I'm grateful that people are listening to officials when they say to evacuate. And I just think continue until, you know, this is contained.

[Nick Viall]

It is sad.

[Sierra]

There's no way to segue from that.

[Nick Viall]

No way to segue from that. So anyways, we'll kick off the show now. I haven't eaten in 36 hours, so that's fun. I'm starting a. I started a water fast. I'm not recommending it to anyone. This is not some sort of do this with me. But it is. All right, whatever.

[Justin]

I have a question.

[Nick Viall]

What?

[Justin]

I'm raising my hand.

[Sierra]

Why?

[Nick Viall]

It's supposed to be really healthy for you. It's supposed to like decrease your chance of cancer. It's supposed to be really good for like inflammation. It's supposed to be good for like decreasing your chance of like Alzheimer's and things like that. It just has a lot of, you know, health benefits to like occasionally fast.

[Justin]

And how long does this last?

[Nick Viall]

My mom did it first. I think the original one is like a seven day fast where you Just drink water and, like, bone broth and electrolytes. I'm on 36 hours. My goal is four days. My goal is like 80 some hours.

[Sierra]

I'm also suffering because he's been nothing but a this whole time to me. That's not true.

[Justin]

I was gonna ask.

[Sierra]

He's the hangriest person I've ever been around. He's so, so mad. He's so angry. And I'm like, you can stop whenever you want. Last night in bed, I'm like, do you want me to boil you some eggs? Because this is insane. Like, you are being. You are being mean to me.

[Justin]

Not even fussy, just mean.

[Sierra]

Just mean. And it's because you're hungry. And I understand. I would also be mean because I am mean when I'm hungry. But this is like intense hunger.

[Natalie]

Like, yeah, you really don't have to do this.

[Sierra]

You really don't. And I was like.

[Nick Viall]

And then he keeps complaining.

[Sierra]

And I'm like, you can't complain when this was your. You're doing it.

[Nick Viall]

It was a tough first night. It was a tough. And I was fine.

[Justin]

It sounds like.

[Sierra]

And then I. And then I. I'm clearly still eating. You know, like, I have to feed river, like, make. So then I'm. Nick's the cook of the family. I can't cook for shit. So, like, I'm also suffering because I'm not eating good food.

[Nick Viall]

Like, last night, you had a very nice meal.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Sierra]

I made river some pasta with some sauce and some broccoli. And so I had pasta.

[Natalie]

Broccoli, pasta.

[Sierra]

You know, it was very easy to cook pasta and pour some sauce over it.

[Nick Viall]

I have a figure of a less name other than mean, so it's less quotable for like, Nick was mean to me over a hunger fast.

[Natalie]

Nick vile, grumpy, grumpy.

[Sierra]

Just say he's typically grumpy over water fast. This isn't typical.

[Nick Viall]

I'm fine with hangry.

[Sierra]

You are. You're very hangry.

[Natalie]

Breaking news. Nick is hangry.

[Nick Viall]

Mean and hangry are two completely different headlines.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Your hanging life. Nick Viall, Nick vile hangry.

[Natalie]

After days long, water fast by his choice.

[Unknown]

That's incredibly water fast.

[Sierra]

Very, very hangry. Like the most hangry I've ever seen anyone to walk the planet Earth.

[Nick Viall]

I'm delightful right now.

[Justin]

That's why I'm shocked. That's why I'm like, of course.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No, last night sucked hard. I, I. No, nothing. Just water. No substances, no nothing.

[Justin]

Was it because you could smell, like, food being cooked and you were like, angry you couldn't partake.

[Nick Viall]

They said like, that first 24 hours, it's. It's tough. I honestly, at times I felt like, oh, you know, And I felt really weak and tired. It was like 7:30. I'm like, can we go to bed?

[Sierra]

I do feel like I was a good wife. When I did make myself a cup of coffee yesterday morning and you asked, how was it? And I said it was awful.

[Nick Viall]

She did? Yeah.

[Justin]

So you're not missing a thing.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It's fasting. Supposed to be. I needed a cleanse. I've been really eating way too much sugar lately these days. And I think my diet has relatively been not like where I feel like it could be or should be. It's the new year. I figured it. Why not? Let's try it. If my mom can do it, why can't I, you know?

[Unknown]

Did you finish those candies I bought you?

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God. Crush those.

[Unknown]

They're gone.

[Nick Viall]

Are there more? Oh, my. I finished those. Like, I had to make myself. I had to make myself save the second pack.

[Unknown]

The two containers are gone.

[Nick Viall]

The first. The first one was gone before I got home. The second one, I was like, I'll wait till tomorrow to finish it. And then I just crush them.

[Justin]

Was that.

[Nick Viall]

Am I supposed to.

[Unknown]

They are hard to find.

[Nick Viall]

And it's offended that I didn't preserve them.

[Unknown]

I was just. I was just like. Just so you know.

[Sierra]

But it's.

[Unknown]

If they're gone, they're kind of gone.

[Sierra]

But also, Justin, what should piss you off even more about him eating those is that he doesn't suck on them. He just immediately chews them up.

[Unknown]

I do that too.

[Sierra]

So, like, there is no savor of anything once the sour is gone.

[Unknown]

You have to.

[Sierra]

It's the same with cough drops, which I feel like defeats the purpose of a cough drop. Yeah, thank you. Because the lozenge is while you suck it and you swallow and I haven't eaten 36 hours.

[Nick Viall]

You guys are just trashing me.

[Unknown]

I think you're in your Gwyneth Paltrow era and I'm here for it.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

Bone broth era.

[Nick Viall]

But this is. This is. This is. This is a temporary fast. Do not take my health recommendations. I'm doing this for me. I don't need feedback from any of you listening, good or bad.

[Natalie]

Hey, hey, hey, you. In the comments, let us know what you think about Nick's fast best.

[Sierra]

And how he's doing it wrong.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Anyways, Nikki Glazer, you know Once again, crushing life. What? What a change of pace from last year after Joel Coy.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Bombed. I wonder how he's feeling after.

[Nick Viall]

He can't be feeling good.

[Sierra]

Nikki Glazer gets.

[Nick Viall]

I mean it was a week of people just being like, that was the worst Golden Globe I've ever.

[Natalie]

His entire writing staff under the bus and just expected the room to be with him. It's like this.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was crazy. Anyways, Nikki crushed everyone. Can't stop talking about it.

[Sierra]

She just signed a three year deal with the Golden Globes.

[Nick Viall]

I think she actually signed a three year deal before she hosted. And how it worked. Like I bet Joe, I bet he also signed a three year deal. No, that's how you know, actually interesting enough the story we use, that's how they signed like a deal being like the networks or whatever.

[Justin]

Do you want to start that over? Yeah.

[Sierra]

What are you saying?

[Justin]

You started like five sentences and didn't finish one of them.

[Natalie]

He's got fluid in his brain.

[Unknown]

Give him a break.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, no, I think she already signed a three year deal before she hosted the first time. I think that's how they normally do it. Networks, for example, they have, you know, if they're going to let Nikki Glazer host, you know, it's like, hey, we'll give you a shot. If you do well, we will knew you. I think she, it was reported she made like $400,000, 300,000 this year. Next two seasons she'll make drastically more. So it's like do a good job here. And now I think she is signed on for two more.

[Unknown]

What Deadline specifically said Nikki was paid a bit more than 4, 400,000 for her inaugural gold's hosting stint, that fee will rise significantly. A well placed source says if and when Glazier comes back to host the 83rd annual Golden Globes for the third year and the five year deal the Golden Globes has with CBS.

[Nick Viall]

Interesting. Yeah. So I think it's like you sign a deal and they have like renewal options.

[Justin]

Right.

[Natalie]

I got to say that like Nikki did great. But I do have to say CBS could maybe do a little bit better job on the stream next year. That's all.

[Sierra]

I was wondering why their angles of the presenters was so off.

[Natalie]

It was weird. And then also instead of showing clips from like the actual work that they did that got nominated, they decided to do like live location tags of everyone. Like I don't need to know where they're like air tag.

[Nick Viall]

Did you guys also feel like it seemed like some of the presenters when they went up there, like, the producer said, just be weird. Say weird shit. I kind of felt like they were.

[Sierra]

All doing the weird bit of like, what are you doing here?

[Nick Viall]

No, but they've done those before, and they seem to have land more in the past. And some of them, it was just more like, what is going on?

[Natalie]

I just think NBC knows how to have a live event, and cbs. Sorry.

[Justin]

Superior.

[Nick Viall]

Sorry, is this a live. Okay. All right.

[Natalie]

That's just NBC. You know where to find me.

[Nick Viall]

Well, Justin Baldoni's lawyer leaked a voice memo yesterday.

[Sierra]

As much as y'all want us to stop talking about this, I also want to stop talking about it, just to let everyone know. But unfortunately, it is just.

[Natalie]

He keeps running his mouth.

[Sierra]

Yeah, they're just his lawyers.

[Nick Viall]

His lawyers out there fighting the fight in the court of public opinion.

[Sierra]

So, you know, we really. When we. We cover the headlines.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So anyways, his. His lawyer released a voice memo, and it's Justin talking about the night of the premiere and. And his very soft voice and his very kind of. He's talking about how he was put in a basement.

[Justin]

Is he having a conversation with someone?

[Unknown]

Or is it exclusively Justin Baldoni speaking to what he called his dream team? Lamenting the fact that he was put in the basement on the premiere of his own movie, he says, per Blake's demands.

[Nick Viall]

Could have been one of the most beautiful nights of my life, career wise. I literally was sent to the basement with my whole. All my friends and family for over an hour. I wasn't allowed to be seen. She didn't want me anywhere near her or the rest of the cast. You could start laughing.

[Sierra]

How do we know he didn't do this this morning?

[Nick Viall]

Well, yeah, you know, he sent a voice note to somebody.

[Sierra]

They're just playing some recording that he recorded at some point in his life one day. There's, like, no fucking time. There's no proof of when that was. And it's like she held you hostage in a basement, tied your arms around a pole with zip ties and was like, do not leave this basement or I will kill you.

[Natalie]

Like, my movie premiere got taken away from me and I had to go to the basement. That's what he sounds like.

[Nick Viall]

Why didn't people. Why didn't Blake and the rest of the cast want you buy them for the premiere? I think those are just questions people aren't asking.

[Unknown]

I also have a question about voice notes in general. When you send one, doesn't it usually disappear? Unless somebody keeps the voice note correct yes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So why would they keep this voice note?

[Natalie]

I will say I keep voice notes.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Natalie]

For funsies.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Some people keep them, but yeah, I mean, listen, you're right, like, either way, I think, to your point, Leia, it's just like, you know, his team's talked about releasing a bunch of messages potentially. I am. Like I said, I said this on Tuesday. I'm certain that most of the stuff that Justin sends or out there sounds lovely and very nice. You. You see him talking in this voice memo, and he's at this soft, you know, voice and just. He calls himself an artist. I honestly believe that he probably. Who knows what. I don't even know how to say that.

[Natalie]

Are you trying to say that he believes that this is true?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I don't know if Justin believes his version of the story. I think he has a God complex.

[Natalie]

I think a lot of the times when in situations like these, both parties completely believe the narrative that they're spinning, and the truth often usually lies somewhere in the middle. Obviously, every single situation is different, but reality versus perspective are two different things. And I think his perspective to him is absolutely correct.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, for sure. I'm sure he thinks that.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

But, yeah, I mean, I. What are some of the other things that are people who are defending Justin saying?

[Unknown]

I mean, I know a lot of people are resurfacing, like, old promotional assets, like movie posters and like, digital media posts that basically saying, like, pointing out the fact that Justin's not in.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's ultimately a Sony decision. And maybe people are out there saying, well, Blake influenced them, but ultimately, again, Sony's making that decision. And I guess my response that is, again, if these accusations about Justin's behavior are true, what would you do? Like, how would you respond? How would you handle it? I would separate myself from him.

[Unknown]

I think with the lawsuit in general, like, everybody has opinions and people are voicing their opinions. And at the end of the day, we're all just going to have to wait to see how this plays out, because from my perspective at least, like, I'm not going to be sold on text messages and screenshots because there are also so many conversations that happened outside of those. And so I think that it's going to be years before any. I think both sides think that they're right and it's going to be years before anybody gets to the bottom of this. And, like, people have their opinions, but it's really just going to be like, I don't know, we need to be patient and, like, really watch how this plays out.

[Justin]

I'm gonna need something more than, like, a voice note that's already, like, what's being said in the voice note was already released in the lawsuit or the complaint that I'm like, this is not, like, new evidence. You're just trying to grasp at straws to, like, pull at heartstrings. But I'm like, that's not a conversation that's being had. It's a voice note that you recorded.

[Unknown]

A lot of people comment specifically on the pumping text message.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And how, like, that's a slam dunk. And I'm like, in what world is one text message from Blake saying that you can come into her trailer while she's pump. A slam dunk.

[Sierra]

It's like, I want to set the stage for the people who think that's a slam dunk. Like, you start working at a dentist office, and you're the receptionist, and you have to. You know, you just had a baby. You have to keep going to the break room every so often to pump for 20 minutes, and the head dentist is a man, and he. You know, you're trying to build that. That rapport. You're trying to, like, stay professional. You know, maybe he needs to come into the break room. You're like, oh, sure, come on in. Like, I'm just pumping. It's fine. I'm covered. What ever. Come on in, he comes in, and then from then on out, he just starts coming in without asking you. He doesn't even knock anymore. Now he's, like, sitting in front of. He's like. Starts to make you feel uncomfortable and awkward, and now you're like, okay. Well, I was, like, okay with it that one time when I invited you. But now, like, it's getting really weird, and, like, you just keep showing up, and you won't leave the room. And, like, it's.

[Natalie]

I'm.

[Sierra]

I. I have to take these pumps off and, like, my nipple might show. Like, no one's.

[Natalie]

No.

[Sierra]

Like, there's just, like, I just don't understand how.

[Natalie]

No.

[Sierra]

Like, it happened one time. We have proof of her inviting him in her trailer one time while she's pumping, and people are like, oh, my God. See, she's a liar. He never. He never overstepped any boundaries.

[Nick Viall]

Wasn't it the accusation more about breastfeeding than pumping?

[Sierra]

In Blake's. It was breastfeeding. Yeah. Which are two completely different things.

[Nick Viall]

You can. I mean, as someone who, you know, whose wife just had a baby, it was pumping. You can wear a sports bra and put the Pumps underneath and a chunky sweater. And, like, you wouldn't even know anything's going on other than hearing a once in a while, like, you can do it pretty discreetly. Breastfeeding, much different, you know? Yeah. And so, yeah, they're not even the same. But Natalie made a great, great point.

[Unknown]

We're not saying that, Justin, that this happened, but we're just saying that it is possible that this happened. And, like, I mean, I pump at work and, like, if I'm all set up and everything is, like, good and I'm covered, it's like, sure, somebody can come in and I'll text somebody. Yeah, come in.

[Sierra]

Let's talk.

[Unknown]

Let's have a conversation. I do that with sierra and Allison, and all the time I'm just like, okay, yeah, I'm set up. Come in.

[Nick Viall]

I couldn't imagine if one time you were like, yeah, I'm pumping is cool. And then going forward, every time someone's like, yeah, lay is pumping in the other room. I just walked in. Yeah. Yeah. Without ever just checking in or knocking on the door. You know, it's the same as, like, yeah, like someone's doors closed. You knock, oh, you can come in the next time it's closed. You're just like, I don't need to knock this time.

[Justin]

We're comfortable.

[Natalie]

Yeah, right.

[Sierra]

I don't know. I mean, I think obviously people who are supporting Justin are going to support justin. You know, I mean, I don't think their opinions are going to be swayed. Just like my opinion of justin is not going to be swayed.

[Nick Viall]

You're absolutely right. But if you're having a hard time even considering blake's allegations, like, I'm just more back to, like, Emily said, just ask the questions, like, what's the motivation? A lot of people are speculating, oh, the motivation is she wanted to take over the project and then secure her rights to, like, doing the other movies. That's just, like, fan theory, as far as I know. Is there any been reports that blake had any interest in doing that? I know Justin on the red carpet. Like, there's certainly no.

[Natalie]

There are a lot of rumors about in the way that, like, every single situation in hollywood just turns into, like, a massive pile of rumors about whatever is going on. I think the most interesting thing about this case from, like, a public perspective is honestly, Bethany frankel had a TikTok about it where she was.

[Nick Viall]

Bethany frankel has the same lawyer as justin baldoni.

[Natalie]

She does. She was like, it is very. There are two different cases going on. There is the case the lawyers are fighting. Sure. And there's the case the publicists are fighting in the public opinion. I think public opinion is really what's, like, the core of this as far as the legal battle is going to go one way.

[Nick Viall]

But Justin's lawyer is doing every talk show imaginable, you know, and his also client, Bethany, is out there, like, giving commentary on this.

[Natalie]

Like, well, Bethany's giving commentary.

[Sierra]

And didn't he. Wasn't he Megyn Kelly's attorney at one point? It's like he's. It's like he's reaching out to all of his clients, being like, let's use your platform.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know if he was.

[Natalie]

He's definitely like, a media.

[Nick Viall]

He's a media lawyer. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I just think it's. It's.

[Nick Viall]

It seems like other sides handling it very.

[Sierra]

It is usually the people who are more loud who try to, like, prove their right. You know, it's like the people who are like, I'm just gonna sit back and, like, do all this, like, the right way. And I don't know. That's the people I have respect for. And he, like. I don't. It's just. He just is cont. Like, I don't know what happened. Obviously, I wasn't there. But it's like he is just continuing to take down the woman, which is like, everything she stands against.

[Natalie]

The PR narrative of this case is that Justin's team is claiming that by the New York Times publishing this lawsuit, that Blake is in turn, like, enacting a smear, a public smear campaign against him. So it's literally just him accusing her of doing the exact same thing she did like he did to her.

[Nick Viall]

He's flipping it.

[Natalie]

He's flipping it. It just, like, kind of doesn't make any sense, I guess.

[Justin]

My question would be, Ryan is a billionaire. Blake is.

[Nick Viall]

He's not. I don't think he's. They have a lot of money.

[Justin]

A lot of money.

[Natalie]

A lot of money and power and influence and that.

[Justin]

I'm like, the buzz about all of this has died down. And she still filed a case against him. She doesn't need the money. She doesn't need to win something over in the court of public op. So I'm like, she clearly feels passionate enough to go forward with filing a complaint against him based off of just. I feel like, the moral corruptness of, like, what happened on that set.

[Nick Viall]

And Justin's co host, Liz Plank, friend of show we've had her on one of my first guests A long time ago, she again unfollowed him, publicly removed herself from the show. And I think it's really interesting you think about it again. Justin's whole platform, presumably, is about, again, highlighting and using your privilege as a man to uplift and spotlight women. But when you look at it, it was Liz Plank who did that for Justin. In fact, she has been, like, in the driver's seat. She has a great book called for the Love of Man. She talks a lot about positive masculinity and things like that. And so when she started the podcast with Justin, it was her who gave Justin a lot of the credibility in this space that he made his entire brand about. And now she is separating herself from him. And then you look at it, it's just like, well, what. What women has Justin elevated? Liz elevated Justin. What specific women has he elevated?

[Sierra]

We don't know shit about his wife.

[Nick Viall]

We don't know anything about his wife.

[Sierra]

Maybe that's a personal preference on her end, but maybe.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe she wants to lay low, but it seems weird. I don't even know if she's been a guest on his podcast. You know, it's just. It. I don't know. It always seems a bit off. And that's. Again, I've met him. I had him on the show. I had an opinion based off of my interaction with him. It felt disingenuous, just an opinion. But this all kind of tracks. What doesn't track is I just, to everyone, like Sierra and Natalie and everyone in the room are suggesting. It's just like, again, you have to assume Blake, a mother of four who just had her fourth child, is picking or choosing the messiest possible way to fight this battle. When history has shown us that Ryan and Blake have been pretty private, pretty unproblematic, pretty low key. And for a producer credit, you know, and again, like, even if Blake was.

[Natalie]

An executive producer credit, which is, like, everyone knows, is kind of just like, meaningless. Meaningless. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It just doesn't add up, you know? So we'll see, as always. But, you know, he came out with the leaked voice note. I know a lot of people are like, what about this? Here we are addressing it.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Sierra]

It doesn't answer for me if y'all were wondering, but probably aren't.

[Nick Viall]

Just ask yourself common sense questions. I feel like.

[Sierra]

But anyways, other things that I am not a fan of would be Allison Holker writing a. Tell our memoir about her.

[Nick Viall]

This is a tough story. We had Allison on about a year ago. We've met her a couple Times. Lovely person. Nothing but nice. But this story broke. It's the COVID of People magazine. It's a picture of her kind of glamour shot, and then, like, this kind of dark black and white picture of her deceased husband, Twitch.

[Sierra]

He was hiding so much addiction, depression, childhood abuse.

[Justin]

Maybe. I just feel personally about this, but I'm like, yes, it's your husband, but I don't feel like that's your information to share. It's one thing if you want to write a memoir about your life and, like. Like your interaction with him, but, like, exposing him post death of addiction and abuse. I feel like that's just. It makes me feel.

[Natalie]

It's icky.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Yeah, it's.

[Sierra]

It also says on the COVID of People magazine, after the beloved Ellen DeGeneres show star died by suicide in 2022, Holker discovered he was battling scary demons. How she navigated her shock and grief, protected their three kids, and is healing with a new love.

[Nick Viall]

Babe, if I die and you find some mushrooms in a plastic bag, can you just let it go?

[Sierra]

Yeah, I probably don't feel like I need river to read that no matter. A magazine one day, right?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know what her motives are. So.

[Sierra]

So, like, it's one thing to know. It's one thing to know that, like, your father struggled with mental illness and sadly committed suicide. And then it's another to, like, have your mom air out that he was, like, addicted to drugs and she found all these drugs in the closet, and like all of his scary demons, she's airing out.

[Justin]

That should be his choice, and he's not here to say so.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Can you look? Who is Courtney Ann Platt?

[Unknown]

She's a dancer. She's calling out Allison Holker over lossless interview and memoir.

[Nick Viall]

So, yeah, she posted Allison's post the People magazine. She writes. Anyone who knows me knows I go straight to the source during a conflict and handle my business. But since there's clearly no shame in being so public, I haven't said a word in two years, but here I go. I was there the moment you both connected. I was there the day you got engaged. I stood by your side on your wedding day. So clearly this is a close friend of Allison and Twitch. It's a very long message, but I one the one I found most surprising. I don't know if it's true, but she's saying that Allison made Twitch's entire entire family, including Twitch's mom, sign an NDA to attend his funeral.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I don't know how you.

[Sierra]

How do you look a mother in her eyes after her son has just died and say, you can come in, but first sign this.

[Nick Viall]

You're not allowed to talk about agreement.

[Sierra]

And you can't talk about it.

[Natalie]

And then you publish a book about.

[Justin]

It because she doesn't want anybody to be able to refute what's in the book.

[Natalie]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but like, he's just weird and sad.

[Sierra]

It's really sad. And obviously it's a touchy subject. Like I've never been in this position, you know, and it's like, I don't know how I would navigate it. I don't think this is the way I would navigate it, but I obviously can't speak until I'm in that position. But it does. And she was, she was very lovely when we met her. And she's been through so much. She's got these young kids. There is just something about this that feels wrong. And I just know that I wouldn't want river to have to read about her dad.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I think she's out there saying she wants to help people and she wants to spread awareness and. Yeah, I guess, but at what cost? You know, Like, I. I don't know if it's coming from a place of wanting to like a hero complex or. I don't know, or maybe she's convincing herself for that. But again, like, at what cost? At the memory of your husband who has passed and your children who want to have a good memory of their father. I think there's other ways to. I don't even know what message she's.

[Sierra]

I mean, he like wrote in his journal about like things that happened to him as a kid. She's like talking about that in the. Which feels wrong.

[Justin]

Also, the gross thing is how he died. Everybody has a very positive outlook when it comes to Twitch. He was a really great TV personality on the Ellen show. He brought smiles to people's faces. It was very shocking as to like how he passed and to add this to his name and this is what he's gonna be remembered for. Like, that's. That to me just rubs me the wrong way entirely. And I think it's very disrespectful to her ex husband or to her past husband.

[Nick Viall]

This has been out for a day and it's still all over Instagram. And you know, usually when you get a bad reaction, you're like, like start. You turn off comments and the comments are. They're out there and people are commentating and commenting and it's.

[Natalie]

I imagine she is doing what feels right to her. Yeah, for sure. You know, so.

[Sierra]

Which is, you know, it's just.

[Nick Viall]

It's weird because, like, we know her, and we've. And. And we had a lovely interaction, and it's just, like, had I not had the benefit of knowing Allison and getting to know her, I think my reaction would be far more harsh and far more, like, just shocked. And now I'm just trying to, like, connect the dots between, like, the person I got to meet and. Versus, like. Yeah, you know, And I agree with you. I think her intentions, I'm sure, are. I hope. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird.

[Natalie]

Yeah. It's. It makes me feel weird at best.

[Nick Viall]

Tacky.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

To quote Courtney, this is by far the most tacky, classless, opportunistic act I've ever seen in my entire life. And the fact that the entire. Anybody who attended his funeral had to sign an NDA, including her.

[Nick Viall]

That.

[Sierra]

That's.

[Natalie]

That's the real.

[Sierra]

His brother also spoke out. Do you want that quote?

[Natalie]

Twitch's brother, Dre, shared Courtney's post to his Instagram story, adding, no lies told.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, okay. So he just confirmed Courtney's message.

[Natalie]

He also reposted an Instagram story by Katie Paulson, who called Allison, quote, a disgrace and despicable human to do this to a grieving family. So that comes from Twitch's brother.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Sierra]

Well, I feel like it.

[Justin]

It's.

[Sierra]

It maybe is hurting more than helping more. I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

And it just kind of feels icky because, obviously, I mean, she's monetizing the memoir. It's not like she's.

[Natalie]

Yeah. And the book just came. It just. It feels like.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. It's a tough story.

[Natalie]

The most cynical view of it is that she's using her husband's suicide and. And her husband's career to sell her book.

[Justin]

Because I know who Twitch is. I don't know who Alison Holt is.

[Natalie]

I have never heard of her before today.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, she was on Dancing with the Stars and had a very great. Great. Or has a great dancing career. There's a variety of dance competition shows on network television. I think she's been on a few of them.

[Unknown]

She's successful outside of.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, she is very successful outside of her show. I mean, Twitch was definitely more famous, and she was most known for being Twitch's wife, but she has her own individual, very successful career. Speaking of potentially tacky, which I don't think so. Lindsay Hubbard is responding to accusations that her birthing. Well, not even birthing announcement.

[Justin]

Her pregnancy.

[Nick Viall]

Pregnancy announcement. She monetized it. It had a little campaign and people are upset about that.

[Sierra]

So weird. It's like you use the clear blue digital test anyways.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, like just tell people about it.

[Sierra]

She didn't pay her to go to the store and get the one good digital test at the store.

[Nick Viall]

This is not the same as like making like your 8 and 9 and 7 year old do a bunch of skits so you can be like influencer parents and YouTube parents. This is like a little.

[Natalie]

If you give. Get paid for taking a pregnancy test, great. Why not? If my mom said, I said she did that, I would have been like, hell yeah. Put that in my college tuition. Like, let's go for it was post.

[Justin]

A photo of a pregnancy test where I'm like, I would do a lot more for a lot less. And she got $100,000 for that. Come on now.

[Unknown]

Not specifically for that. So she got over 100,000 for like a year of partnerships.

[Justin]

Copy that.

[Nick Viall]

Centered around, centered around her pregnancy, which. Yeah. For her.

[Justin]

Get it.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

It's so weird when people are like, how dare you make money off influencing? And it's like, I don't know, it's just weird.

[Unknown]

For a free clear blue test.

[Sierra]

Listen.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I think, listen, I, you know, people are very sensitive around kids. I mean, Natalie and I continue to have conversations about like, how much or how little should we share about River. It's just like now we're more like posting like the back of our head and stuff. And sure, we still, you know, it's like we don't know the right answers. We're congressant of it. There's obviously a lot of opinions out there. You know, I think that's where it comes from. You know, we have strong opinions about, like, we know what it's like to record an ad or we know what it's like to record content. We know what it's like to have to do it over and over and over again. So every time we see like parent influencers and like young kids or like teenage kids, like playing around sinking or.

[Sierra]

Something, you know, that took so many takes.

[Nick Viall]

You know, that took so many takes. You know what I'm saying?

[Sierra]

Where you have to be like, no, it's not take it. It's take that. Okay, so try that. Okay.

[Nick Viall]

And that's our opinion. But other people might disagree. But, you know, I think it comes from a place of like parents and kids and there's a certain, a lot of, I think strong feelings in that in that department. But pop off Lindsay Hubbard, like, get your pregnancy money.

[Justin]

Amen. I just.

[Nick Viall]

I think pregnancy.

[Justin]

I think it's weird that people care so much about how somebody's making money if it's not hurting anybody. Like, why is this. Whether she's making a brand deal for shoes or pregnancy test, why do you care?

[Nick Viall]

She's like.

[Unknown]

She's all.

[Justin]

She monetize the moment.

[Natalie]

That's like the same thing as, like, let's say they're advertising for, like, maternity clothes. And one of the models is a pregnant woman because she's modeling maternity clothes. And you're like, how dare you do that?

[Justin]

You're exploiting, like, baby, you don't want.

[Natalie]

To see an actual pregnant modeling these clothes. Like, I would much rather see. Know that the. That the pregnancy test works or like.

[Sierra]

An actual pregnant woman and not someone with a pillow shoved.

[Natalie]

And I will say, like, in Glee.

[Nick Viall]

I will say, as someone who's been, you know, whose wife showed him a pregnancy test when we had river, you know the two lines. They're nice. They're nice. They are nice.

[Natalie]

Would you rather them be electronic?

[Nick Viall]

But that one that says pregnant. Yeah, that hits home. You're like.

[Justin]

You don't even have to think about it.

[Nick Viall]

Is it. I don't know, like, the pregnant. It's like the faint. It's kind of like a COVID test. It's like, I think maybe I got it.

[Natalie]

I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

But the other pregnant. You're like, holy shit. I think. I think. I think you're pregnant.

[Sierra]

It's all caps.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And guess what? We're talking about it. The ad's working.

[Sierra]

Yeah, the ads working.

[Nick Viall]

Clear blue.

[Justin]

Yeah, I'll be trying in the next year. Maybe we'll be.

[Sierra]

Yeah, we'll be circling back.

[Justin]

Sure.

[Natalie]

Clear blue. I am not the girl for you.

[Sierra]

So Jennifer Aiden is cut from.

[Nick Viall]

She got fired.

[Sierra]

She got fired from the cruise after her Jersey. Mike's outburst.

[Unknown]

Yeah, well, basically, Andy Cohen came out and he basically was like, look, this is a situation. This is me paraphrasing where you just listen to the video before you post it. Like, think about it. Think what? It might have an effect on the world. What are you going to get from it?

[Natalie]

He said, I stand with that oil and vinegar and seasoning mix.

[Unknown]

Exactly. And then basically, like, there was a New Jersey Fans at Sea cruise that was going to happen with Teresa Giudice, Jennifer Aiden, and Dolores from New Jersey, and she was removed from it. A representative spoke out saying that they made adjustments in order to keep the cruise enjoyable and welcoming for all guests. Their priorities to create a drama free, fun filled experience for everyone. They insisted the decision was neither personal nor an act of canceling anyone as they believe in a second chance and personal growth.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, I don't know if you can say you believe in second chances when you're firing someone for their first offense of being, you know, so it's.

[Justin]

A little like, well, it would make.

[Sierra]

More sense to say that if like you kept her and people were like, how dare you keep her. And they're like, well, we believe in second chances. But they're like, she's fired.

[Nick Viall]

But like, it's a preemptive second chance because while they may remove her from this opportunity, I don't think she is blacklisted from Bravo opportunities.

[Sierra]

You know anyone on Jennifer Aiden's camp said anything?

[Nick Viall]

No, she hasn't said anything. She hasn't been like, my bad got a little overheated, A little overreacted.

[Natalie]

You know, I don't know, I. My take on this is if Jennifer Aiden cannot do housewives duties because of beef with Jersey Mike's employees, Jen Shaw should never be allowed on television again.

[Unknown]

Okay, I will say Jennifer Aiden is the only New Jersey housewife making headlines right now besides Melissa Gorga. Well, Melissa Gorka selling sprinkle cookies and. And Jennifer is making headlines for being a housewife.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Sierra]

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[Unknown]

I was telling you about this. Oh, basically, sorry, not everybody, but just to save Leah.

[Nick Viall]

I'm sorry again. I Guys, I haven't eaten.

[Sierra]

He's also wearing socks with a big ass Aaron Rodgers face on him that he. Aaron keeps staring at me. So yeah, that's so scary.

[Unknown]

Is that what it looks like?

[Sierra]

Kind of scary.

[Natalie]

That's so scary.

[Unknown]

So basically Brittany and H on TikTok, she posted a video of her kid who got a Christmas gift card to Walmart. And they went to Walmart and the kid decided to buy a rotisserie chicken.

[Nick Viall]

Love. Which most people.

[Unknown]

Most people are positively reacting to this being, like, relatable. She knows her priorities, like, good for her, good food. But then there's also the other.

[Nick Viall]

Tell you what, if someone who hasn't eaten in 36 hours, that sounds like the right choice.

[Unknown]

There's also people like saying that, well, it is a good lesson, but also, like, the mom should have just bought the chicken at that point because it's like her Christmas gift card.

[Nick Viall]

I want to tell you a story. When I was a kid, my mom would go grocery shopping. And we have a large family, as you guys know. And so grocery shopping was a bit of an experience for mom as a two to three hour thing. One of my greatest fantasies as a kid, every time I'd go grocery shopping with my mom was fantasizing about what it would be like to be locked in the grocery store overnight and have just unlimited access to anything. And I would just go down every aisle and fantasize size about what I would eat or could eat. I never had a fantasy about what toys I would play with at any given store. So, yeah, I totally get it. And if you're a kid and your mom's like, you get to buy anything you want. And you thought, I get to buy a whole chicken and it's mine. That makes so much sense. And, like, why is food not considered an amazing gift for anyone who says, like, this is what I want, you know?

[Natalie]

Like, I think it's also great that she, like, gave her the gift card, obviously knowing that she would want food. And then it was like, it's kind of her way of being like, you get whatever you want from the grocery store, you know?

[Unknown]

Nick, you just unlocked a memory in my head. Do you remember, like, Target used to do this thing for Christmas where you could, as a kid grab, like, the scanners and create a wish list by going around the store and, like, scanning different objects. Mine was always food.

[Sierra]

So, yeah, there you go. For our Christmas. When I was a kid, my mom would let us each pick out our own cereal for Christmas morning. And that was, like, a great idea.

[Unknown]

It's a good one.

[Sierra]

And it was like, that's your box of cereal. Cereal. No one else can touch it.

[Unknown]

What if you wanted. What if you wanted the same as someone else?

[Nick Viall]

Can I get my own box?

[Sierra]

Write your name on it.

[Natalie]

You're so hard.

[Nick Viall]

No, but also as a kid, we used to, like, r. My mom would every once in a while Buy what we called sugar cereal. So like anything like Cocoa Pebbles or like Sugar Smacks. And I would wake up at 5:30 in the morning and like run down because there wasn't enough cereal in that box to feed all the kids.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then there was a one bowl of cereal rule which I would often break by like, well, I still have milk, so it's still the same bowl. You know.

[Unknown]

Would you buy the boxes or would you buy like the giant bags? Because like, big families always had like the, the bagged one every once in a while.

[Nick Viall]

My mom, my mom did it all. Like we, we, you know, we couponed. You know, we had, we had to make ends meet. But.

[Unknown]

Well, the bagged ones are cheaper, but they weren't.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I remember sitting at the breakfast table with my bowl of cereal and the box in front of me and like playing the game.

[Natalie]

Oh my God.

[Sierra]

Like, that was.

[Nick Viall]

I once found a Michael Jordan basketball. It would. They like, I think it was Cheerios or something was giving away like basketball cards. And I was like, what if I got Michael Jordan? And in the box was Michael Jordan? It was one of the best days of my life. I mean, obviously, like.

[Natalie]

Do you still have the basketball court?

[Nick Viall]

No, I don't know. I don't think so. I wish, I wish I don't know where my parents did with all my cards.

[Sierra]

All of your stuff, they keep telling you, is at the lake. And they're like, it's up in the garage. You should like, look at it and tell me what you want.

[Nick Viall]

We'll keep it. Now we have. Yeah, well, now it's at the lake.

[Sierra]

All your trophies, all your medals.

[Nick Viall]

Good job.

[Sierra]

Well, James Kennedy returned to social media and I am grateful that he did because it reminded me that I was still following him and I needed to unfollow. So I was grateful.

[Nick Viall]

I guess I suppose I should unfollow him.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You know, I forgot I followed him because he went ghost. I didn't. He wasn't popping up anymore. And I just went out of my head. And then the second I saw that little, little. I was like, oh, my God, get it out of here.

[Unknown]

He's posting like sobriety coin. So he's like celebrating or like encouraging himself to stay.

[Nick Viall]

He must have unfollowed me earlier. So that makes sense.

[Unknown]

Meanwhile, on the other side, Ali is posting tick tocks of her new Larchmont apartment.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So she's moved out Larchmont.

[Nick Viall]

And he's posting coins. Sobriety coins.

[Unknown]

Sobriety coins. Yeah. I mean, to prove.

[Nick Viall]

So there's a bit. Has there been any acknowledgment about his is being violent and physical towards women from him? Yes.

[Justin]

No.

[Unknown]

No. This is. I mean this is him returning to social media.

[Sierra]

He posted three Instagram stories. The first one was of his coins.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just so over this whole like.

[Sierra]

Excuse of that read keep coming back. Then the next was a selfie of him and his dog. Thank God for that. And then the third was like him throw. It was like him throwing the ball for his dog or like the sunset or like the park or something. So, so glad we got that update from him.

[Natalie]

Like, I mean, okay, but he needs.

[Nick Viall]

He needs to acknowledge 100%.

[Sierra]

He needs to acknowledge it.

[Nick Viall]

Get sober. That's awesome. But like you, I think every alcoholic or person who abuses substances is violent towards women or abuses women physically. And like the fact that he's implying that's the case. I'm sorry.

[Unknown]

You know, I'm curious if that's like a private conversation between Ally and Jim James, because I remember, I'm sure said that like that was just out of respect of Ali, that some people weren't speaking.

[Sierra]

No, I 100 hope that that's been a private conversation between him and Ali. It 100 needs to be if it hasn't. But he also does need to address the world because like, he is addressing the fans. He had followers. He had people who supported him and loved him and showed up to his DJ sets and he has people who were looking up to him. And now he's like shown over and over and over and over and over again that he's still this person who's abusing women. And it's like, you've got data.

[Nick Viall]

He's also addressing the world. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's being a public figure and he's continuing to be a public figure. And he's now posting sobriety coins and making statements about his sobriety. This, all of these statements indirectly are ignoring the problem, you know, which is his abuse. And I have a lot of empathy for people who struggle with addiction, but that's still in no way ever an excuse to. To do that.

[Natalie]

I think he can be allowed to like, have his own sobriety journey and like, be and people are like, more than welcome to like support him in his sobr. But that does not change what he did and what he has not owned up to in that regard. You know, like both of those things are prevalent.

[Nick Viall]

And what's frustrating is you know what's going to happen. He's Banking on time going by and people just kind of forgetting and other stories coming out. And then he'll slowly kind of keep reappearing, and he'll talk about a sobriety and hope that everyone just forgets about the actual thing that he did. Which they will.

[Sierra]

Which they will pick up and throw her. Her across the room.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And then he'll, you know, try to get work again and try to be out there, and everyone will just kind of be like, well, didn't you do that thing?

[Natalie]

What's the same thing with, like, arm. So, like, Armie Hammer has been coming back into the news recently, doing interviews and claiming that he's, like, turning down roles.

[Justin]

Started a podcast.

[Natalie]

He started a podcast. He's been, like, on other. I forget exactly whose podcast he was on, but he's been doing more public appearances. And his. The kind of narrative that he's, like, speaking, spinning is that, oh, my God, it's so crazy that people thought I was a cannibal. I wasn't actual, actually cannibal. Like, that's. That's crazy. That's so funny. I would never do that. But then the issue was never that he was a cannibal. It was that he was abusive to girlfriends. So it's like we're spinning that under the rug, and he probably is going to make a return because he already is. And so it's like. It's just this infuriating thing where so many men, public men who, like, do these awful things to women are just allowed to continue because they can, like, spin the narrative of, like, what other hot button issue they have that's going on that they're struggling with and then just sweep the rest of it under the rug because they have been getting away with this for years.

[Unknown]

I mean, Armie Hammer's podcast bio says we feed him before every episode.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So, yeah, it's.

[Nick Viall]

It's. It's like a. It's like a sleight of hand, you.

[Natalie]

Know, and it works.

[Justin]

Bait and switch.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's more focused about how difficult. Like, lively. It's so bizarre. It's like people can be difficult. People are difficult on sets all the time. What does that have to do with.

[Natalie]

But I don't like her vibe. Yeah, well. So in Southern Charm news, Craig has addressed his split with Paige.

[Nick Viall]

This is sad. I watched the video.

[Justin]

He just seems like such a lovely guy.

[Nick Viall]

Can we. Do we have the video?

[Justin]

I will say I'm never one to, like, pay attention to, like, breakups and things like that. And I love Paige Obviously. But Craig is one of those. If I were single, I would slide in those dms.

[Natalie]

Sit with your chest.

[Justin]

I can't, because I love my boyfriend very much. But if I were single, I did.

[Unknown]

See a headline that said, no more giggling and all cops.

[Natalie]

Oh, not the squad.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Everyone, what's up? Oh, figured it's finally time to check in with everyone. Sorry about the delay. This has all been very, very unexpected, to say the least. Least. I mean, that's new information.

[Natalie]

It is. My one thing about this video is he is basically being like, yeah, Paige broke up with me, and I didn't know that that was gonna happen.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. That's the really, the only takeaway from this video. Also, that he seems to be hurting.

[Justin]

Yeah. He was like, it's. It's just weird, you know? Like, you go from talking to your best friend every day to, like, not at all, but, you know, we'll get there and adjust. And I was just like. And the fact that he didn't say anything cruel or degrading about Paige. He only said, be nice to her. Be kind to both of us. But, like, he's just.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but he. The. The unexpected is a.

[Natalie]

It kind of. I'm. I gotta be.

[Nick Viall]

It's a. It's a. It's not the cleanest video. It's a little bit of. I do want you to know I was caught off guard, and she did it, and she wrote My heart. It definitely is not. Paige gave. We broke up.

[Justin]

Well, she talked about it on her podcast. I feel like.

[Nick Viall]

Did she say, I broke up with him unexpectedly, and he's heartbroken, and I'm shattered, and I'm, like, at basketball games, chilling.

[Justin]

It kind of implied, in my. In my opinion, listening to her, she was like, you know, I'm not the same person I was when we started dating. I was 29, in my 30s. We want different things. So I think it's. You know, it seemed. In her version, it seemed just very amicable. And it sounds. In his version, too, It's. It's amicable, but you just want.

[Nick Viall]

People have a right to break up. People have a right to, like, decide.

[Justin]

That things don't work out.

[Nick Viall]

Things can change. They have. And it doesn't mean anything nefarious. It's just we. We live in a world where someone breaks up and everyone's expecting, whose fault was it? Someone's fault or someone did something wrong or nefarious relationship.

[Justin]

It's either you grow together or you grow apart. And it seems like neither one of them were planning on moving and he was very adamant about, like, wanting her to move to Charleston and get married and all that. And if that's not in the cards for her, I think that that's great that she decided. As much as I love you and would want to make it work, this just doesn't work for where I'm at in my life right now.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Who do you think starts dating first?

[Justin]

One of my predictions.

[Nick Viall]

Oh.

[Justin]

I don't know. It's kind of hard because it's like, I feel like sometimes when breakups like this happen and one person wants to get married so badly that I'm like, Craig could meet somebody and by December this year be engaged. I could see that because he wants that. And I could also see Paige coming out with, like a hottie. Headlining. Yeah. Like actor or, you know, I think.

[Nick Viall]

Paige is going to be dating someone either super rich or famous.

[Justin]

Super rich or super famous? Absolutely.

[Natalie]

Austin Butler, single. Him and Kaya Garpa broke up. That is a joke.

[Sierra]

Is she down for blondes?

[Natalie]

What?

[Sierra]

Is she down for blondes?

[Natalie]

Kaia Gerber.

[Unknown]

No.

[Sierra]

Paige.

[Natalie]

Oh, who knows?

[Justin]

I don't know. I see. I see her going kind of like it's either going to be somebody like that we all know, or it's going to be like a Lindsay Hubbard. Like somebody that's very successful in their field that wants nothing to do with it.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's going to be more of the latter, but we'll see.

[Justin]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Hugh Jackman.

[Nick Viall]

Hugh Jackman, who is also out there dating and getting back out there after his divorce.

[Natalie]

Grats. You and Sutton Foster.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I'm not familiar with Sutton Foster. Is she a big deal?

[Unknown]

Broadway royalty check the musical.

[Natalie]

Extremely talented woman.

[Sierra]

I know she's in.

[Nick Viall]

I have no doubt she's in a lot younger.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

She was also.

[Natalie]

She also had her own TV show, Tony award winning.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it's a new year and so being a new year, we have some possible predictions. We are going to guess, is it all Bravo? Did you. Is it Bravo predictions?

[Justin]

Solely Bravo.

[Nick Viall]

Solely Bravo predictions. What do we think is going to happen in 2025? Sierra up with a list of possibilities that we now get to discuss.

[Sierra]

People were doing this around, like, pop culture stuff and people were saying that you and I were going to get a divorce in 2025. Oh, that's so rude. I know. Isn't that crazy?

[Nick Viall]

She puts it she's going to have.

[Sierra]

A second baby and they're also going to get a divorce.

[Justin]

You got a busy Year girl.

[Nick Viall]

Paige had some rumors that she had to deal with about, I guess some infidelity. And she's had some. It seems like she's had some fun clapping back and addressing said rumors.

[Justin]

Yeah, she's something. You'll hear from my lawyer.

[Unknown]

See you in court.

[Justin]

See you in court.

[Nick Viall]

And then. People always want and need a reason.

[Justin]

First prediction, Paige will announce new relationship with an actor. Yes. No.

[Natalie]

Yay.

[Nick Viall]

Well, do I have a timeline? With who?

[Justin]

This year, 2025.

[Nick Viall]

2025. Paige will announce a prediction with an actor.

[Justin]

A new relationship with an actor.

[Nick Viall]

No, I really, I really think Paige needs. Paige needs a non problematic, not a diva.

[Natalie]

This is not about what she needs.

[Sierra]

Listen, what do we think she will do? I think she will go athlete and I think she'll go athlete because athletes have a sense of humor. She is funny. She needs someone funny a lot of the time. A list actors are like kind of weird. They're really serious and they're very serious and like. And like kooky. A little kooky. And I think she might be like, you're fucking weird. No thanks. And I think she might go for an athlete who's funny and rich. Rich.

[Natalie]

Or do you think comedian?

[Sierra]

No, I don't think she'll go comedian because male comedian.

[Natalie]

He would be too fine. He would, would like think he was funnier than her.

[Nick Viall]

He wouldn't be. Probably problematic.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Fair. Yeah. Athlete.

[Sierra]

Athlete.

[Justin]

Next one. Ramona Singer will return to Bravo, unfortunately.

[Natalie]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[Nick Viall]

Why do we.

[Sierra]

Why are we. I think they've got to bring someone back to New York if they're going to try to do another season.

[Justin]

Well, my next one was the new Roni put on pause.

[Nick Viall]

I predict shakeup. I don't know if it's going to be a pause.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Unknown]

They're for sure going to mix the old with the new.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

They got to mix the old with the.

[Justin]

The new Winter House will return. They put it on pause last year. It was like the eclectic mix of summer House, Vanderpump Rules, and then last season bombed with below deck characters.

[Unknown]

It'll probably return with more Vanderpump since that show's not running.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah, that's a good call.

[Justin]

Okay, next one is there will be an engagement on Real Housewives of Miami. I'm thinking Lisa.

[Unknown]

Lisa's whole divorce situation's messy, so probably.

[Justin]

She'S with the rich dude. So I feel like her season.

[Nick Viall]

Is Larsa still with Jordan?

[Justin]

No.

[Natalie]

Mm. Mm.

[Unknown]

As of House of Villains, no.

[Justin]

But Sandoval and Schwartz will have A spin off.

[Sierra]

No, absolutely not.

[Unknown]

On YouTube.

[Sierra]

On your Patreon. On Patreon.

[Natalie]

On. On Fubi.

[Justin]

On YouTube.

[Nick Viall]

I've heard that. Well, I mean, I think they're still very close friends, but I hear that Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend are vampires. 24, seven on an island. Yeah. Kind of living on their own.

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Justin]

There's no room for Schwartz anymore.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know if there. I, I that's. I don't know how much love. I don't know how much room there is for. For Schwartz in this moment of. Tom Sandoval's.

[Justin]

Life is short. Still dating Sophia?

[Nick Viall]

I think so.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

As far as I knew, they moved in together.

[Sierra]

I mean, they're definitely quiet on social media. So if that's nothing, if that means anything to everyone, then they're absolutely broken up and hate each other going off of social media.

[Nick Viall]

But when was the last time they shared anything?

[Unknown]

Did they not move in together?

[Justin]

No. Anytime he posts like, even his. Like new. When he moved and everything. They don't post together in stories or like in.

[Nick Viall]

So they moved in together and now they might be broken up.

[Justin]

I don't even know if they're. I don't. I don't know. I think they might just be together. But.

[Nick Viall]

No, we should get Schwartz back on. Check in with.

[Justin]

We didn't update.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, we didn't update.

[Natalie]

I do have some questions for that man. One, how do you feel to look like me? That's actually it.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Justin]

I don't think this. But I did see this circulating. Brittany Cartwright gets pregnant this year.

[Unknown]

I see it.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Season 3 Valley with someone other than Jax.

[Sierra]

Oh, of course. Yeah. Fuck that. She's definitely not going back to Jack.

[Unknown]

But I mean, Jax has a storyline of being mad.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Maybe also with an athlete.

[Justin]

I feel like. Yes. Yes. No, Nick says no.

[Nick Viall]

No, I'm rooting. I'm rooting for that. I would. I. I'm rooting for Brittany Cartwright.

[Natalie]

What kind of athlete?

[Sierra]

I'm thinking like rugby maybe? No, I think a Lakers player.

[Justin]

Yeah, like a basketball player.

[Sierra]

Yeah, for sure.

[Natalie]

What about Page? I see Paige more basketball than Paige.

[Justin]

Was at a basketball game.

[Sierra]

I don't know who she might be. More senses of humor. I feel like basketball, baseball guys are.

[Nick Viall]

Pretty funny and rich.

[Natalie]

Yeah, that's true.

[Justin]

I mean, those pants don't lie. No new season of Real Housewives of New Jersey this year, that's for sure.

[Unknown]

Probably. I mean, Andy already said probably for another year.

[Sierra]

Pause.

[Justin]

Okay. Kim Zolcak makes an appearance on Real Housewives Of Atlanta. Do we think she's gonna come back with all of her headlines? Her incredible.

[Unknown]

I want her back.

[Nick Viall]

I want her back.

[Unknown]

She's too messy.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I feel like she has to come back.

[Justin]

An ultimate girls trip with a younger cast. Women from Southern charm, the valley, vpr. You know how they do ultimate girls trip, but it's like legacy or like Luan. Like what a younger.

[Sierra]

I don't think that would happen. 2025, maybe 2026. I think if we put it out there, we're now putting it into Bravo's brain.

[Unknown]

I think ultimate girls trip is on pause until litigation is done.

[Sierra]

So, yeah, we have our.

[Unknown]

For my demise, I level to the girl trip.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Justin]

Okay. This one, it's really spicy. I was tired and it's really. It's really bad. But I was like, Sierra and Craig get together. I said, I don't know why I feel like this could happen, but I.

[Nick Viall]

Knew you're not projecting your own. I mean, I'm just saying. I'm just asking. But 10 minutes ago, you're like, oh, my God.

[Justin]

I don't know. I just something that I always have in the back of my head. I just feel like they have like this really interesting chemistry with each other, but it's like, yeah, they would have to like, literally never be friends.

[Nick Viall]

Absolutely not.

[Justin]

I told you I was tired and feeling spicy.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Justin]

And my last prediction. John Jansen and Alexis Bolino do not get married.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Justin]

100% engagement called off.

[Natalie]

As soon as she is officially acts from the show, he's gone.

[Sierra]

Then he sues her.

[Unknown]

She's already as well. She's already officially asked.

[Natalie]

She's already officially.

[Nick Viall]

That does it for 2025. Bravo predictions. All right.

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[Justin]

One time I got a massage on a cruise ship and you know how they play like instrumental whatever and I Realized, like during my massage that they were playing the instrumental of Titanic. And I was like, this is Sierra.

[Unknown]

I went to massage and they're playing like lo Fi Billie Eilish with a beat. And I was like, this is not relaxing.

[Justin]

We did that in Leia when we.

[Unknown]

Got our couple's massage. They were.

[Justin]

I got a lot of massages, guys.

[Nick Viall]

You guys got a couple's massage?

[Natalie]

I've never had a massage.

[Unknown]

I was invited by Threesome Zone.

[Natalie]

Ever?

[Justin]

Nope.

[Unknown]

Because you're always.

[Natalie]

Not for any particular reason. I just never have.

[Unknown]

Mary.

[Nick Viall]

They're good.

[Unknown]

I've been getting massages since I could.

[Natalie]

Probably use one especially, you know, I'm often my. Like, the back of my neck goes numb when I'm editing.

[Unknown]

That's called chiropractor.

[Natalie]

Yeah. My mom told me never to go to a chiropractor.

[Unknown]

We should hire missus. What's the plural for miss?

[Nick Viall]

I've been going to one since I was like eight.

[Unknown]

Me too. No, literally, me too.

[Natalie]

I don't know. Every week my mom's like, I'm a nurse, trust me. And then she's like, chiropractors will just up your back and then you have to keep going back.

[Nick Viall]

I think there's a lot of shady chiropractors there.

[Natalie]

I think especially doctors.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I think I wouldn't go to chiropractor in Florida.

[Natalie]

I think a lot of like, doc. I think doctors and chiropractors have beef. Oh, they do, yeah.

[Justin]

Is it Rachel, Lindsay's ex husband, chiropractor from Florida?

[Nick Viall]

He is.

[Unknown]

I am obsessed with chiropractor tiktoks.

[Natalie]

Though I will say, not that I.

[Unknown]

Love watching people get cracked.

[Justin]

I hate that sounds, so.

[Natalie]

I love to crack.

[Unknown]

I'm sure the NFL has a lot of chiropractor.

[Natalie]

Oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm sure they are getting their back cracked the fuck up.

[Unknown]

Wait, I have one more chiropractor story real quick. My roommate's boyfriend, who ended up also being one of my roommates, and I, Atlanta, was a chiropractic student and I let him give me adjustments.

[Justin]

And now you're uneven.

[Nick Viall]

That's your story?

[Unknown]

Yeah, that's it.

[Nick Viall]

I let Ben Higgins, who learned from his chiropractor buddy, crack my neck.

[Justin]

That's my wild.

[Nick Viall]

It was wild. I don't know why I did that.

[Justin]

I won't go to a chiropractor because I feel like when they tell you to relax or breathe, they're going to crack it. No, I hate that sound. And I'm going to Tense up, and then I'm just going to die.

[Nick Viall]

I know.

[Natalie]

If you heard that in the mic.

[Justin]

That'S my irrational fear.

[Natalie]

It's vibe football time. So do you guys know about the wild card?

[Justin]

Absolutely not.

[Natalie]

Playoff edition. Okay, so for anyone confused, the wild card.

[Nick Viall]

I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Natalie]

The wild card round of the playoffs is basically the girls. And by girls, I mean grown men's chance to bring the receipt, the proof, the timeline, booking everything to the table in order to be greenlit into the next season of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Or in football's case, the divisional playoffs.

[Nick Viall]

The divisional playoffs, yes.

[Natalie]

So it's win or go home. Win or go home.

[Unknown]

Playoffs are the Super Bowl.

[Natalie]

No Super Bowl.

[Unknown]

Like, they turn into the Super Bowl.

[Nick Viall]

So basically, you're trying to get to the Super Bowl.

[Natalie]

You're trying to get. Right now, the wild card are, like, the teams that are, like, kind of not. Let's say, theoretically, like, Heather Gay is, like, kind of phoning in the season, and she has one chance to get renewed, and this is her chance to get renewed.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Kind of.

[Natalie]

Right?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. It would be more like, like, a.

[Justin]

Friend of trying to get a full cast member.

[Nick Viall]

It would be like, for example, like, if they have seating. So if, like, Kyle Richards was going toe to toe with, like, let's say, a, you know, a crystal minkoff. Right. And then, like, crystal minkoff, who's not even on the show right now, it would be considered the underdog in whatever match of housewife lore they are competing.

[Natalie]

In to get closer for, like, center.

[Unknown]

It's Britney. It's Brittany saying, what about me?

[Natalie]

Yes. This is the what about me moment.

[Nick Viall]

Everyone's more confused about football now.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I'm so confused now. What's happening?

[Natalie]

Okay, so it's the wild card. They're basically just trying to, like, get into the playoffs.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

No, they're in the playoffs. Wild card is the playoffs, but it's.

[Natalie]

The wild card division of the playoffs. It's like the teams that are, like, on the cutting block.

[Justin]

I mean, whatever.

[Natalie]

Anyway, so this week we're talking about the Washington Commanders versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the Commanders are the Dorit Kemsley of the NFL in that they have had a truly magical season in. In a way that no one thought was possible.

[Nick Viall]

That's true. They also had a name change.

[Natalie]

They did.

[Nick Viall]

She has a new accent.

[Natalie]

So they're more alike in many ways. In their last game against the Cowboys, they were down three with six seconds left in the game. And their backup Quarterback Marcus Mariota threw a game winning touchdown in a shock heard round the world. This is what I like to call the Smoking a cigarette in the car while driving through Bel Air gang, Marcus Mariota, a veteran, reminded the team that he is chic as a wind chime and he's not going anywhere.

[Unknown]

That was a dirty Kemsley reference.

[Natalie]

Yes. And then the Buccaneers are the expected winner of the game with a home field advantage, and Baker Mayfield, their quarterback, is their reason why. He is the Angie Katinevas of the NFL. Passed around, disrespected, looked over, drinks poured on his head, told that he can leave many teams. But now he is back in a big way, securing his position as center snowflake, or in his case, the NFC south division champion. So here's the question. Will Baker and the Bucks have their high body count hair moment, or will the Commanders bring the fashion? Fashion. Fashion. Only time will tell and only Vibes can decide.

[Sierra]

Unfortunately, I won't be able to decide off Vibes because I do need to know, like, some. Like, is anyone doing good or is anyone doing bad?

[Natalie]

The Bucks are doing. I mean, Baker Mayfield and the Bucks are doing, like, really good.

[Nick Viall]

Pretty good.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I heard Angie K. So I'm going with.

[Nick Viall]

I'm gonna go with the re.

[Sierra]

Always.

[Natalie]

You're gonna go with the Whoa.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Shocker and the Commanders Vibes. Want to go with the bus?

[Unknown]

We have to.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

I'm from Florida. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Are they Florida?

[Natalie]

Tampa Bay.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah. Is it? No.

[Sierra]

Great.

[Natalie]

They don't have Tom Brady on their team.

[Unknown]

I thought they were from Greece.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, Florida is the Greece of America. Oh, it's like a peninsula.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, well, we'll see. Everyone does. Hopefully the Green Bay packers beat the Philadelphia Eagles that they're playing this week. Okay.

[Natalie]

But just Vibes are going. Bucks stats are going. Commanders.

[Nick Viall]

Correct.

[Sierra]

Cool.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

All right.

[Nick Viall]

All right. Bev Hills. All right, we've taken a couple weeks off. Where do we want to start?

[Justin]

Venom in the Viper room.

[Unknown]

All I have to say is I will not defend any hate going towards Sutton.

[Sierra]

Really?

[Unknown]

I can't. I won't.

[Nick Viall]

You're. You're. You're Sutton till you'll die.

[Unknown]

I think Sutton calls a spade a spade. And we should be listening to Sutton.

[Sierra]

Painting her up to be the village.

[Nick Viall]

She's such a hypocrite.

[Unknown]

And sometimes girlhood is putting your foot down and just saying, bffr, you hate your life right now.

[Nick Viall]

I think Bozeman. Of all these women I trust the most.

[Natalie]

No, I trust you too.

[Unknown]

I do, too.

[Nick Viall]

But I. I think she has. She.

[Justin]

But she.

[Sierra]

No, no, no. But then Sutton tried to turn it as like. I wasn't saying like you're unhappy with your life. I was just like saying like, this is why like things. It's.

[Justin]

I was defending.

[Sierra]

I was trying to do. And just trying to let her know that maybe that.

[Unknown]

And I think she might have said it in a heated moment.

[Sierra]

What about her behavior in the Viper Room? You. You stand by that?

[Unknown]

Look, Sutton is a Southern woman.

[Sierra]

I don't act like that.

[Nick Viall]

What the fuck does that mean?

[Natalie]

Go on.

[Sierra]

I don't act like that.

[Unknown]

I'm gonna leave it there.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

I love that you ride hard for Sutton.

[Natalie]

I can't talk with my. With my allegiance to Meredith. So I'm gonna let you go.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. If there was one house. Housewife that you unequivocally will have their back no matter what. Who is it?

[Justin]

Bronwyn. Newbie. But I love her.

[Natalie]

What about you guys?

[Nick Viall]

I'm high on Brahin.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I'm probably Shannon Bedor.

[Natalie]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Sierra]

We should all make T shirts. I don't understand why at the Viper room they had Ke$ha in attendance. But Erica Jane performed and it wasn't even a performance. It was a hype up. Let's hype up the crowd. Put your hands in the sky. I'm gonna to mouth the lyrics to my song Domino.

[Unknown]

What?

[Sierra]

While Kesha was just like chilling when she could have iconically done Tick Tock on the Clock. But the party don't stop and she.

[Natalie]

Did wake up in the morning. Like Pete.

[Unknown]

She is friends with Kyle.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like before the. Before and during the show and after it was filmed. Like she is friends with her. And I think Kyle was just trying to prove the point. Like I can be friends with like a female artist and like it's nothing.

[Nick Viall]

That's why she.

[Unknown]

I mean she.

[Nick Viall]

She joke.

[Natalie]

I think they're actual friends. I think that Kesha didn't perform because NBC didn't want to pay Kesha for the rights to use one of her songs.

[Nick Viall]

That's probably true.

[Sierra]

That is probably true. I do wish we would have seen more of a performance from Erica Jane since she is such a performer. It felt like laziness, not party behavior. Hands in the sky. Yeah, Put your arms up.

[Justin]

When Jennifer Tilly was like. Yeah. I don't think she's going to be winning any awards for lyrics.

[Nick Viall]

She's the best. My favorite thing about Sutton is her friendship with Jennifer Tilly.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Truly.

[Natalie]

That'll. I I trust who Tilly trusts.

[Justin]

The. The dog when she comes in is like, hi, little dogs. And then the dogs start barking and she's running out.

[Nick Viall]

You know the Phantom song that Nally thought was in Wicked. You're a witch and I'm a rich.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I picture Jennifer, Tilly and Sutton singing to each other. You're rich and I'm rich, and we're rich together, you know, like, all day long. Picture them.

[Natalie]

They're so rich, they could do a crappy lake.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Moment.

[Nick Viall]

What's that?

[Unknown]

It's the Luann and Sonia spin off.

[Justin]

Where they, like, kind of like simple life, where they go to, like, a town in the middle of nowhere.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

It's just them drinking 247 and talking to people that don't have as much money as them.

[Sierra]

Has anyone checked on Garcelle's beach house? That's in Malibu.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

That's a good point.

[Justin]

No, I think she's. I think she's a little further north than Malibu. I think she's, like, up by, like, Oxnard.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

But, yeah, she brought her son and shared Oliver. Yeah. Oliver's backstory. I don't know if you remember Oliver from.

[Nick Viall]

No, I remember. Yeah. The one who was making out with Raquel. Raquel.

[Sierra]

Raquel Lala.

[Justin]

He didn't make out with Lala. But he was, like, talking.

[Nick Viall]

How did he end up on that? That was weird.

[Unknown]

Well, he was.

[Sierra]

Because he worked at Las Vegas.

[Justin]

At Pump.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Unknown]

The way that I understand it is Garcelle got on Beverly Hills through those connections. She knew Lisa Vanderpump. She wasn't on a season with Lisa Vanderpump, but she, like, somehow met Lisa and then that connection. Lisa then hired Oliver.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Unknown]

At the Las Vegas one. Then the Raquel stuff happened.

[Nick Viall]

Didn't recently Kyle and Lisa, like, talk about each other or. Well, the other.

[Unknown]

Well, Lisa originally made, like, lvp made a comment saying, like, if she wants to have a friendship with Kyle, she needs an apology. Or just being like, I never got an apology.

[Natalie]

And Kyle was like, you're not going to get an apology apology, but happy holidays. Happy holidays.

[Nick Viall]

Love that, actually. From Kyle. Yeah.

[Justin]

She was like, nobody asked for what.

[Nick Viall]

What is Kyle supposed to apologize Elisa for?

[Unknown]

For not defending her against rumors five.

[Justin]

Years ago about a dog.

[Natalie]

Kyle.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well, Lisa Vanderpump only defends men.

[Justin]

Problematic men.

[Sierra]

I will say I am disappointed in Garcelle as a housewife this episode because she had the perfect opportunity to be a housewife in the Viper Room. When Kyle was like, have I talked to pk? Have I talked to me? Maybe in the last Knowing damn well last episode, she was like, yeah, I've been talking to pk.

[Natalie]

Pk, Texas, her also.

[Sierra]

And Garcelle was silent. Garcelle said nothing, which is crazy because.

[Justin]

Boseman had more to say. And she's just met these people, and she's defending duraping, like. And even then, girl code.

[Sierra]

Like, I know Garcelle doesn't like Dory, but in that moment, you still could have been like, wait, Kyle, that's not what you told me on the boat. Like, let's go back a little bit.

[Natalie]

I will say it's a violation of girl code, but I also don't think that Kyle and PK have anything going on.

[Nick Viall]

I don't think. I don't think it's about them having.

[Natalie]

Anything going on, but it is a complete violation of girl code.

[Nick Viall]

It's so inappropriate.

[Justin]

And it's also because Kyle's not communicating with Dorit. So I think it's weird to be like, he's a better friend to me when it's like, the only reason why, you know, PK is through Dorit.

[Sierra]

But also, how is he a better friend to you if all you're sending are memes?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Anytime someone says meme, it's not a meme.

[Natalie]

It's not a meme.

[Sierra]

It's just, like, a joke here and there. Like, he's saying, knock, knock, who's fucking there?

[Natalie]

It's probably mean memes about Durie.

[Justin]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Nick Viall]

It's a form of. Well, you know, it's. It's. It's two people connecting is what it is. It may be trivial. It may be nothing more. And I'm not saying, like, two people.

[Natalie]

Sending memes like you're cheating relationships based off of sending memes.

[Justin]

But you're not sending just, like, a meme. Then somebody sends a meme back as a response. You're gonna talk about the meme. You're gonna laugh about the meme. Why are you sending the meme? Why do you think it's funny to send to me?

[Nick Viall]

Your husband you're separated with is sending memes with your friend that you're not talking to.

[Natalie]

How are you husband is sending best.

[Sierra]

Friend memes, and Kyle isn't like, hey, Dorit, like, no, we're not cool right now. But I have heard from pk. He just sent me this meme.

[Natalie]

He sent me, go piss, girl.

[Nick Viall]

I thought it was weird. I want to let you know, because I know we're not talking right now, but, like, I just, you know, I want you to know where I stand, and that's with you. Like, Kyle would have lost her. I don't even know Kyle that well. I don't know Kyle at all. I've never met her. I met her once, but. And she was lovely. But I don't know her at all. I just know her through housewives. But the Kyle I've watched is someone who.

[Natalie]

Kyle would be pissed.

[Justin]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

So pissed.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

100. Breaking girl code, in my opinion, and playing dumb about it.

[Sierra]

I am glad they went around the table and all of them were like, yeah, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. No, thanks. And then Kyle kind of, like, lost her.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

On Duri, which felt when she was.

[Justin]

Like, can you not yell at me so your veins are popping out of your forehead. I was like, damn.

[Sierra]

Then the rest of the episode is Kyle screaming out, doritos.

[Nick Viall]

This is really on one.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Do you think it's manufactured?

[Justin]

In what way?

[Unknown]

Like, this specific argument. I was like, are we really getting that mad? Like, them screaming at each other over them being like, don't talk to me that way.

[Sierra]

Like, the meme.

[Unknown]

Yeah, the meme's valid. But, like, the after part, I was like, now we're just, like, screaming to, like.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know if they know the difference. I think they just.

[Natalie]

I think they're. But also lost in the sauce of, like, perception show versus reality at this point.

[Sierra]

I mean, I think with Kyle's response to the whole conversation. I mean, Dorit came in very. Just like, hey, it's chill. I just want to know, like, has he talked to you? Because he hasn't talked to me. So he has. He talked to you. Kyle got weird, and then she started it. It was like.

[Unknown]

I feel that was the sound bites. Right. That's what I'm like, that's where it sounded like it was more like, I don't know. It's genuine drama, but, like, the screaming back to forth was too much drama. I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like, you know, it's like, you know, yesterday I wasn't eating and hangry and Natalie, you know, was mad at me. I think we're. We're a healthy couple, so we got through it. We talk. We work through our emotions. If we were a couple health housewives, we would have killed each other.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I think Sutton was more manufactured than Kyle. That whole, like, whatever performance she was putting on at the table where everyone Was kind of like the going on with her.

[Unknown]

I do stand by that.

[Justin]

She, like, spun what Dorit was saying to you. I didn't like that. Where it was just like, okay, fine, we'll never be friends. And, like, that's not what Dorit's saying. She's like, how can I trust you if your actions. You're saying one thing and your actions are showing another thing? And she's like, yeah, no, it's fine. We'll never be friends. And it's like, that's not what she.

[Sierra]

She also was like, I didn't say I needed to be first person that you call, but just a person that you call. It's like, so you're not a good friend. Like, just say it. You're not a good friend. You don't give a about Dorit. You're not there if she needs you. Like, you are kicking her while she's down.

[Justin]

And she flipped it on its head and then was just like, no, we're not friends. We're not friends. It's like, why are you offering or extending an olive branch or extending friendship if you're also. So quickly when it's not received the way you want it to be? They're like, all right, well, it all. Don't ever call me again. And it was like, it's a. It's a granderous reaction.

[Unknown]

She's a little reactive, but who isn't a little.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, a lot of people aren't actually reactive.

[Natalie]

Reactive on reality television.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, on reality.

[Justin]

They were also at the viper room, so I'm sure there was loud music playing in the background, so I will give them credit for. Sure.

[Natalie]

Question. Have you all been to the Viper Room?

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Sierra]

No, I don't think so. Yes.

[Natalie]

No.

[Nick Viall]

If I have, I didn't know, but.

[Justin]

I thought it was funny. I've only been one time, and it was a Halloween. Not by choice.

[Natalie]

I.

[Nick Viall]

That.

[Natalie]

That's exactly my experience in the Viper Room. I literally. So I walk up to the viper room, my best. Best friends, like, co workers, boyfriend's band is playing, so we know it's not gonna be good. And so we go.

[Sierra]

The lady I have, like, his boyfriend.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

She'S friendly.

[Natalie]

The co worker was wonderful that. That I met that night. She was great. But so we go in. The lady, like, asked me about my bag, and she was like, is there anything in your bag? And I was like, no. And she was like, I don't actually care what's in your bag. Just like, if there's anything scary in there, don't open it inside, just open it outside. And I was like, okay. And I, like, literally had just reached in there to grab my id and she goes, I don't need to see anything in there. This woman was either like 12 or 90. I had no way of knowing. So we go into the Viper.

[Unknown]

Honestly valid.

[Natalie]

And then the band that was playing it was like this most. The most, like, disgusting, like, Led Zeppelin wannabe band in the entire world. They all, like, took their shirts off at one point. The lead singer, who was the boyfriend, had like, the worst voice I've ever heard in my life. Props to them for going up. But then they said they had previously gotten kicked out of the Whiskey Adventure ago for being too risque, which is false. But they were like, yeah, we can take our shirts off here. But they wouldn't let us at the Whiskey because it was too risky. And I was like, yeah. And I was like, you guys got kicked out of the Whiskey for being not safe for work. The Whiskey ago the, like, one of the most famous rock clubs, like, in Los Angeles.

[Unknown]

They're all on the same street.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Sunset Strip.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, anyway, that's my experience with the Viper Room.

[Sierra]

Well, Garcelle made out with Johnny Depp in the Viper Room.

[Natalie]

So River Phoenix also died.

[Justin]

Died there while Johnny Depp owned it.

[Natalie]

That's where River Phoenix died when Johnny Depp owned it. Yeah, that's the Viper Room.

[Unknown]

Oh, so Johnny Depp doesn't own it.

[Justin]

He doesn't own it anymore, but he owned it for at least, I think, a decade.

[Natalie]

It's like, people still go there for like. Like people who are obsessed.

[Unknown]

I also thought it was getting shut down.

[Sierra]

It should.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's very.

[Justin]

It's a very intimate.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think Jeff Lewis is mad that Erica Jane didn't hire him to do his decorate. Decorate his house? I was kind of mad for Jeff.

[Sierra]

Is he an interior designer or is he more of like a architect, builder?

[Unknown]

I think he does a little bit about.

[Sierra]

Because it seems like she's just picking out new rugs and light fixtures.

[Justin]

And he's like, yes, this is going to elevate.

[Unknown]

Is he going to help you redesign your gold wall?

[Sierra]

No, I've given up on the gold wall. So I've given up on the gold wall. And I don't give a fuck about it anymore. I'm just going to close my eyes. Every time I'm in the house.

[Nick Viall]

Plans have changed.

[Natalie]

Beautiful.

[Sierra]

Plans have changed.

[Natalie]

Nap time.

[Sierra]

Nap time. Every time I walk in. Yeah, nap time. I'm deciding to put My money elsewhere somewhere more important.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Yeah, sorry. I'm fiscally responding.

[Natalie]

Whoa.

[Sierra]

Sorry.

[Unknown]

Even though I do really love and support and I do like Boseman's relationship with.

[Nick Viall]

She's a good judge of character, I think.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And I like that she's not, like, swayed by anything. She stands firm on, like, what she believes. And she's like, I'll say it to your face. I'll say it behind your back, but these women will just say anything to say anything.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And I'm like, that's how you know she's a real businesswoman. She's like, I pick and choose my battles and none of this is worth it.

[Natalie]

Did you call Sutton, the real Sutton? Shady, please stand up. Yes, that what she said. It was really funny.

[Justin]

Well, the real slim Sutton.

[Natalie]

The real slim Sutton, please stand up.

[Unknown]

And when Dori was talking about her therapy with PK and PK saying like, this is why I want to get a divorce.

[Justin]

Well, Sutton kind of did predict that in the sense of what she's been saying, even with Kyle, too. But on the boat, she was like, I know that you guys want to co parent and you think that things are going to be easy, but there will be a day where the other shoe drops. And it sounds like it did in therapy with pk.

[Sierra]

I mean, a four hour therapy session. A sounds expensive.

[Nick Viall]

Almost unbelievable.

[Sierra]

It sounds like, really? Like, that therapist just had no other appointments that day. Yeah, they were seeing no other reasons.

[Nick Viall]

Do you book four hours? You book two hours?

[Unknown]

You probably couldn't do.

[Sierra]

You book one hour and then you're just like, we gotta add on.

[Justin]

What are we gotta add on? Are we doing, like, team building activities?

[Natalie]

Is this like our improv lesson in therapy?

[Sierra]

Also, I feel like the therapist should have been like, hey, so it's been three and a half hours. We're actually not getting anywhere. So maybe let's table this, go home, sleep on it. See you tomorrow.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Are we breaking for lunch?

[Natalie]

Yeah. But also, is it crafty?

[Nick Viall]

What's going on? Dorit and pk, like, as of today, like, do we know?

[Unknown]

I know there were, like, pictures of Dorit with, like, other people.

[Sierra]

Like, what did they do for the holidays?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, great question.

[Unknown]

All I've seen is there's pictures of Dorit with, like, other men. But I. We don't know if those are just friends or, like, do I want a.

[Sierra]

Pizza for lunch or, like, burger sound.

[Nick Viall]

Both really good.

[Natalie]

I want a rotisserie chicken.

[Nick Viall]

Also delicious.

[Justin]

Pk he posted Boy George for Christmas.

[Sierra]

Still pushing that.

[Unknown]

Talked about it on the after show.

[Sierra]

But I feel like that's it.

[Natalie]

Do you know how infuriating is for my cat to be named George Michael, for James Kennedy to be George Michael's godson, and for boy George to be PK's boss?

[Unknown]

So Dorit. Dorit did say on the after show, we stand in in exactly the same place we were at in the beginning. Ask me in another six months. Hopefully I'll have a better answer. Work needs to be done.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Unknown]

But then PK also went on the hot mic podcast and said that the way she described his sobriety variety was harmful.

[Justin]

And Dorit spent the holidays with her kids. On vacation.

[Sierra]

On vacation.

[Unknown]

So no answers, but it doesn't look good.

[Natalie]

No, no, no.

[Sierra]

I mean, we did see Kyle and Mo all in Aspen with all their kids spending Christmas together. So it's possible.

[Unknown]

They're always in Aspen and they're always together. Switzerland of relationships.

[Justin]

They were together and in the same house.

[Sierra]

In the same house.

[Unknown]

That's what I'm saying. They were.

[Nick Viall]

They're making it work for the kids.

[Sierra]

They're cooking dinners together.

[Unknown]

And Rihanna.

[Justin]

And they don't even have, like, baby kids.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

You know what I mean? Like, most of them are out of the house. He's got one kid that still lives in the home.

[Nick Viall]

Portia, do you think they occasionally hook up?

[Sierra]

I was thinking that, too. And it's like, why wouldn't you?

[Justin]

Why not?

[Natalie]

Well, can you hook up when your roommate's in the house?

[Unknown]

Oh, and it's Teddy. She's got a hot mouth.

[Sierra]

No, I mean, an Aspen over Christmas.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Teddy and Kyle are living together, and they were roommates.

[Justin]

One Irish coffee too many.

[Nick Viall]

Where's Teddy's kids?

[Sierra]

I think Teddy's back home. She posts her kids all the time. Like, going into her. Her dove just. Just got a big girl bed. She's, like, posting, like, her interior design of her bedroom.

[Justin]

It's like, I think she stay. I. I don't think they stay in the same house. I think that, like, they kind of take turns in the house so that it doesn't disrupt the kids, like, their routine. Waking up at home. It's not going back and forth to where Teddy's staying. I think they take turns parenting in.

[Nick Viall]

The house, and then she goes to.

[Sierra]

Kyle's and he has, like, a hotel or another house or something.

[Nick Viall]

Something. Okay, well, making it work for the kids. We love that.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Does that wrap it up?

[Sierra]

Southern hospitality is.

[Justin]

I love it.

[Sierra]

Do you.

[Justin]

And I really didn't think I was going to I've avoided watching this show because obviously I had vanderpump rules. And I was like, I don't. Another vanderpump rules taking me back circa 10 years now that I have no vanderpump rules and nothing to look forward to. The way that this kind of slid in the first episode. And I was like, wait, this is so messy. Young people are amazing. And then I started the first season and I binged through the entire first season. I'm on the second season. It's. It's so good.

[Sierra]

Okay. I mean, I thought season three was fine, you know, I mean, Joe hooking up with Luann. Well, he claims it was just a makeout. Just made out with her.

[Nick Viall]

I believe that.

[Justin]

I don't.

[Nick Viall]

You think. You think they had sex?

[Unknown]

I think the way the story unfolded before it was on the show gives they did something.

[Justin]

And listen, I love Luann. I feel like Luann gets what Luann wants.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I need everyone.

[Nick Viall]

That's not true.

[Justin]

Yeah, but you didn't.

[Unknown]

But you guys didn't.

[Sierra]

You didn't.

[Justin]

You didn't go to a bar together. You ran into a bar and you rescinded an invitation. I'm saying he. They didn't watch what happens live. And then they were like, let's go out and we're hanging out.

[Nick Viall]

Think he just made out with her?

[Justin]

Just cuz it was something that you would do does not mean that what everyone else would do.

[Natalie]

You're not Joe.

[Justin]

You're not Joe. And Joe Bradley gets.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think he did it for the plot or do you think he was like.

[Justin]

He says he likes older women even though he's now dating his coworker guy. Huge MILF guy.

[Sierra]

I need everyone to tell Emy that Will sucks.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Why is she like so jaded by him? They're like, yeah, Will came into the bar drunk and was talking about how much he hated her. And like several people have said this and it's like, why does Emmy not know this yet?

[Justin]

So what's weird is that like from watching the first season, he was debating whether or not he was gonna go to law school or if he was gonna continue a career in restaurants underneath Leva. And her whole thing was, I wanna ring, I don't wanna work anymore, I wanna have kids and I wanna be a housewife. You go to law school. I don't know what's happening in the second season to where now that we've gotten to this full disconnect because she drinks a lot and she's wild and now she's sober in this season. So that's why I'm like, something happened in season two that clearly I am missing. Because Will's not as awful in the first season as he is this season. But also to comment on your girlfriend's body to other people being like, you don't like it.

[Natalie]

Weird.

[Justin]

That's. It's a weird thing for that to be the main focus of your storyline this season.

[Nick Viall]

Are you going to go back and watch?

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, I'm binging.

[Unknown]

I'll probably watch, too.

[Sierra]

Also, I think Maddie, when the balloons flew away and she had a breakdown was so relatable. Yeah. And the fact that Joe was like, just get more. That would piss me off even worse.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I would cry even harder if that was your reaction.

[Justin]

Like, and such a man's response being like, I'll go, I'll be back in 15 minutes.

[Natalie]

Be like, that's not how these things work. You have to order them in advance. Yeah.

[Sierra]

And Party City is closing.

[Nick Viall]

I would never.

[Sierra]

I know you wouldn't. You would have, like, jumped up on top of that building and caught him.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Brought him back down.

[Natalie]

Parkour it.

[Unknown]

I will say they moved very slow while those balloons, they were.

[Sierra]

They were like, oh, no, balloons are moving. But no, I. Absolutely. Maddie, I would have been sobbing right there with you.

[Unknown]

Also, nobody helped her set up that party.

[Sierra]

Yeah, no one did.

[Justin]

All he cared about was a sign and then didn't bring tape. Like, I would murder for last.

[Nick Viall]

Do we know if there's crossover between hospitality and charm?

[Unknown]

There is. Leva Bonaparte is from Southern Charm. Made the bar. She owns the bar, which is Southern hospitality.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Justin]

She owns, like, three bars.

[Sierra]

I'm kind of annoyed with tj.

[Justin]

Okay. Same one.

[Sierra]

He's kind of annoying to me.

[Unknown]

He's the reason I like the show.

[Sierra]

Really?

[Natalie]

I like TJ. He's masculine.

[Unknown]

Because we have.

[Nick Viall]

I'm always like, LT, TJ hyphenated names.

[Sierra]

Who's LT?

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. Who's a guy? Charm.

[Sierra]

Oh, J.T.

[Nick Viall]

J.T.

[Natalie]

Oh, reverse J.T.J.

[Sierra]

J, J. I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

Those guys are always up to no good.

[Natalie]

You're hyphen it.

[Nick Viall]

You're aj, pj, pk. I don't know. Something's off.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

What are you trying to hide? After 20, you're done. I don't know.

[Unknown]

Envy.

That's true.

[Nick Viall]

No one goes, I don't say my name is Envy.

[Natalie]

Yeah. And it's phonetic the way it's.

[Nick Viall]

I named the name of the company Envy spelled Envy because it Was a fun play on words. No one's going around being like, hey, Envy.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

More importantly, I'm not going around making people call me Envy.

[Sierra]

I do like to refer to Nick as Nikki V. I think that's fun.

[Natalie]

Nikki V. Nikki V is close to Nikki D. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Nikki D. Nick Dorka.

[Sierra]

Who's Nick Dorka?

[Nick Viall]

I think anyone with a Nick.

[Unknown]

You got it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, we forgot about him.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah, I did.

[Unknown]

But the way it's said, I was like, wait.

[Sierra]

Never heard of that man before in my life.

[Natalie]

So did I ever tell you my brother's name is Nicholas?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

My mom's name is Mary.

[Natalie]

That's crazy.

[Unknown]

Are y'all related?

[Nick Viall]

You're not Catholic. That's crazy. Strong Catholic names there, Mary.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, Lutheran. Close, but my mom was. My mom was raised Catholic.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, there you go. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Also, one thing I want to say is I do apologize for hyping up Southern Charm. I don't know what the hell is going on this season, but it is best.

[Nick Viall]

You said it was your favorite show.

[Justin]

It is. It's up there with, like, Vanderpump Rules. Southern Charm and Summer House are, like, my three favorite go tos outside of, like, Housewives. And it's like this season has been underwhelming and unbelievable.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I don't even know what the main story is, JT.

[Justin]

We're spending way too much time on JT and Ms. Pat. They are not main character energies. I do not understand what is happening. And if I have to watch Craig pick up his backyard one more time, I will lose it. And, like, it used to be spicy. It used to be fun.

[Natalie]

And I feel like the first season is insane.

[Nick Viall]

It was kind of selfish of pig Paige to not to break up with Craig now. She should have broke out with him before filming again.

[Justin]

We have Summer House. That's going to be coming on after this, which is. I think we might be seeing some of that at least. Or maybe like, a pre. No. Because they broke up, like, last week, so everything's just gonna be completely fine.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

During the entire season of Summer House, even though we all know Summer House.

[Nick Viall]

I think, is gonna be very good.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, it has to.

[Nick Viall]

You know, you got Sierra and West. You know, what's. How's that unfold? You got. Lindsay's pregnant. You know, you got Carl. Is he dating? There's a lot of. You know, Kyle's DJing. You know, you got a couple, two new. There's a. There's a lot of meat on that bone. And you look at Southern charm and it was like Olivia left last season. It was the whole season. The drama really was the Olivia Taylor. Taylor love triangle. Austin, whatever. Shep, you know, but that's all kind of been cleaned up. Got rid of Olivia and they're trying.

[Justin]

To, like, tell us backstory of things that have happened off camera, like, in the past. But I'm like, it's not feeding to the storyline right now. Like, I don't care that they sexted. I don't care that she slept. Like, one girl slept with Shep, kicked him out. Like, it's. If it's not going to relate to how their storylines are playing in, or she's not going after Shep in his relationship, then, like, what. Why are we talking about.

[Nick Viall]

It's giving and it's giving, Roni.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's giving. It's. It's. I think they're just too mature at this point. Like, I.

[Nick Viall]

Which I respect.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like.

[Natalie]

Like they've outgrown the drama of the show.

[Justin]

Craig needs an HGTV show.

[Natalie]

Like, I'd watch that.

[Nick Viall]

You know, which really makes you give props to the people at Summer House because whether they're having babies or. Or whatever is going on, you know, keep it married. Yeah. Married couples just, they. They show up and work.

[Justin]

Truth. Truth.

[Natalie]

W E R. Because I'd rather watch.

[Justin]

People let loose on a weekend than just like, oh, well, this is me in my garden.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, well, we'll keep watching. That does it for us today, obviously. Again, sending our love and prayers to all the people affected by the fires. If you are in any way able to help, whether it's through donations or however, you can obviously look to do that. We will be back next week with an explosive week. Can't wait for you to hear all about all our guests. It's going to be wild, fun and wacky. We'll see you then. Bye. The Val House is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try that progressive.com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states. If you have a locked AT&T phone, we're here with bolt cutters. T Mobile will help pay off your.

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