E870 - Traitors w/ Wells, Baldoni Keeps Suing, Matt and Rachael Breakup, RHOSLC Finale + Michael Imperioli

Summary

Episode Summary: The Viall Files – E870

Title: Traitors w/ Wells, Baldoni Keeps Suing, Matt and Rachel Breakup, RHOSLC Finale + Michael Imperioli
Release Date: January 21, 2025
Hosts: Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, and the Household

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1. Matt and Rachel's Breakup

The episode opens with the shocking announcement that Matt and Rachel have ended their relationship over the weekend. The hosts express their surprise and sadness regarding the sudden split.

• Angie: "Did they break up or was he hacked? [01:48]"
• Mary: "Rachel hasn't said anything. She has liked a few comments, one of which was, 'The more I'm thinking about it, the more I think he completely blindsided her with this.' [05:07]"

Discussion Highlights:

• Timeline Confusion: Matt posted a video of himself eating pizza from a trip to London four days prior to the breakup announcement. Rachel’s sister commented that they were still together during the pizza post, suggesting the breakup happened within a three-hour window between the two posts.

• Public Reaction: The hosts debate whether Matt was the one initiating the breakup or if Rachel decided to end things due to being blindsided by Matt’s sudden announcement. They also consider the possibility of Matt's social media being hacked, given the unusual nature of his breakup post.

• Social Media Behavior: Matt’s use of a prayer in his breakup post raised questions about his religious inclinations, as neither seemed publicly expressed before. The hosts criticize the public nature of the breakup, discussing how such personal matters are being aired openly on social media platforms.

2. Justin Baldoni's Legal Troubles

Justin Baldoni continues to make headlines with ongoing lawsuits, including a recent filing against the New York Times. The discussion delves into the complexities of his legal battles and public persona.

• Justin: "The amount of people who are just trying so hard not to believe Blake Lively in this situation is unbelievable. [11:00]"

• Mary: "The complaint centered around retaliation rather than the initial sexual harassment, including text messages and emails showing intentions to destroy Blake's credibility. [15:44]"

Discussion Highlights:

• Retaliation Claims: Justin’s legal team admitted to certain behaviors intended to tarnish Blake Lively's reputation, including hiring aggressive PR firms and internal communications that indicate a strategy to undermine her credibility.

• Public Perception: The hosts debate the authenticity of Justin’s public apologies and TED Talk statements about men embracing vulnerability, juxtaposing them against his alleged actions to retaliate against Blake.

• Impact on Reputation: The conversation highlights how Justin’s actions and public statements may be perceived as contradictory, leading to skepticism about his sincerity and intentions.

3. RHOSLC Finale Recap

The hosts provide a detailed recap of the "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" (RHOSLC) finale, discussing key moments, drama, and eliminations.

• Justin: "We all loved the drama at the finale, especially how the alliances held up till the end. [30:00]"

• Angie: "She would be like, oh, yeah, I feel the same way. [85:30]"

Discussion Highlights:

• Key Eliminations: The finale saw the elimination of several housewives due to conflicts and strategic gameplay. The hosts analyze the reasons behind each elimination and the impact on future storylines.

• Hostility and Alliances: The intense rivalries and shifting alliances are dissected, with particular attention to how betrayal and loyalty play out among the cast members.

• Future Implications: Predictions are made about the upcoming season, focusing on unresolved tensions and potential new alliances forming based on the finale’s outcomes.

4. Guest Interview: Michael Imperioli

The episode features an in-depth interview with acclaimed actor Michael Imperioli, known for his roles in "The Sopranos" and "White Lotus."

• Michael Imperioli: "I've been pretending to be a man that I'm not my entire life. [17:08]"

• Justin: "What a Freudian slip. [19:04]"

Discussion Highlights:

• Vulnerability and Authenticity: Michael discusses his journey towards embracing vulnerability, both personally and professionally. He reflects on his performances and the importance of authenticity in acting.

• White Lotus Experience: Imperioli shares behind-the-scenes insights from "White Lotus," including interactions with co-stars, the filming environment in Sicily, and the show's thematic depth.

• Restoration of Girlstown: He talks about the restoration and re-release of the iconic film "Girlstown," emphasizing its significance in the context of the MeToo movement and independent cinema.

• Collaborations and Friendships: Michael highlights his collaborations with legendary actors like Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, discussing how these relationships have influenced his career.

5. Pop Culture and Reality TV Updates

The hosts delve into various pop culture topics, including TikTok’s temporary shutdown and its impact on content creators, as well as updates from other reality TV franchises.

• Tom Sandoval: "We've got season three of White Lotus coming up, and it's going to be even more intense. [100:04]"

• Angie: "Did you see Shep Rose is no longer with his girlfriend Sienna? [51:24]"

Discussion Highlights:

• TikTok Shutdown: The temporary closure of TikTok led to a surge in confessions and revelations from creators who feared losing their platform, resulting in many admitting to fabricating aspects of their content.

• Reality TV Dynamics: Updates on "Southern Charm," "The Traitors," and "Real Housewives" are discussed, focusing on cast changes, plot developments, and behind-the-scenes dynamics.

• Celebrity News: The hosts touch upon various celebrity happenings, including cook-offs, relationship statuses, and upcoming projects of notable personalities like Spencer Pratt and Leighton Meester.

6. Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes

The episode wraps up with teasers for upcoming content, including special "Going Deeper" episodes featuring exclusive interviews with celebrities and further recaps of popular reality TV shows.

• Nick Viall: "Don't miss our special 'Going Deeper' episode tomorrow where we'll sit down with another big celebrity. [51:24]"

• Justin: "Next week, Wells Adams joins us to talk about his stint on 'The Traitors.' [50:09]"

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Notable Quotes:

• Justin: "I will step up as a good human if you allow me to." [17:26]
• Mary: "Rachel and Matt deserve grace as they navigate this breakup." [05:19]
• Wells Adams: "I had a downfall of errors and bad decisions." [66:30]

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Conclusion:

In this episode of The Viall Files, hosts Nick Viall and his team navigate through a whirlwind of personal and public dramas, legal battles, and reality TV finales. The heartfelt discussion on Matt and Rachel's breakup sets the tone for a candid exploration of relationships, while the deep dive into Justin Baldoni's legal issues offers listeners a critical perspective on celebrity controversies. The guest appearance by Michael Imperioli enriches the episode with insights from the acting world, and the continuous updates on reality TV keep fans engaged and informed. As always, The Viall Files blends humor, insight, and hot gossip, making it a must-listen for enthusiasts of dating, relationships, and pop culture.

Transcript

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[Whitney]

Didn't see that one coming.

[Mary]

Did not.

[Angie]

Did they break up or was he hacked?

[Heather]

So true.

[Angie]

I mean that was the strangest breakup post I've ever seen in my life.

[Whitney]

Like three hours after posting a cute reel of Vacation.

[Angie]

And then to use the photo from the Bachelor, which that was like the when they met. Craziest fud up season ending known to mankind.

[Justin]

Yeah, that. We'll get into that in a minute. But I I will say in Matt's defense, public breakups are hard. Not a lot of playbooks for it. But like, I don't know who he was getting advice from. Definitely wasn't his buddy Tyler, but I.

[Angie]

Feel like they've just created such a relationship outside of the Bachelor. And I feel like they've tried to, like, push themselves away from the franchise as much as possible. And then they don't use that at any events. They don't talk about it at all. I feel like neither of them hang out with anyone show. And so it's so weird for him to use that photo of them meeting.

[Justin]

And then he, like, prayed on her kind of thing. Like he. From. From. From the Internet. You know, it was like, you know, they're gone. You know, when people, like, you know, love all the. All. I love all my religious friends out there, but, like, sometimes people just, like, presume they want you to pray on them, you know? You know what I'm talking about. It's just like, you come up to them. Let me just pray for you, on you, above you, all around you. Can you read it, Leia? Like, he.

[Mary]

Yeah, so. So he posted this, and the caption was, father God, give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts. Give us a piece about this decision to end our relationship that transcends worldly understanding. Shower our friends and family with kindness and love to comfort us and remind us that our joy comes from you, Lord. And then he put a broken heart emoji.

[Angie]

Did we even know that he was this religious? Because I wasn't aware.

[Mary]

I mean, this photo's also, like, it. It almost looks like a screenshot.

[Whitney]

It didn't come from the archives.

[Justin]

This is giving plagiarized prayer.

[Heather]

This is. Yeah, this is giving, like, the theology with Rachel's name put in.

[Justin]

Can you break this down for us, Leia? Like, break us down. Break. Break down the timeline for us.

[Mary]

First, Matt posts a video of him eating pizza, and Rachel is in this video of him eating pizza, and it appears to be from their trip to London.

[Justin]

I think it's important to note that Matt has made a career post bachelor out of being a food influencer. Last time I saw Matt was in New York, me and my cousin, like, we were like, hey, we're gonna go slice a pizza. And there was Matt just, like, also getting a slice of pizza and, like, giving his review. And so, yeah, he's full on doing his thing, you know, committed to the bit. And so, like, this gives, like, hey, I have this content that we recorded. Don't want to waste the content. So I'm still gonna post it regardless of our relationship status.

[Whitney]

So.

[Mary]

So I actually don't think that that's what happened.

[Justin]

What?

[Mary]

So he posts that video four days ago, and then also four days ago, he posts Their breakup on the same day. On the same day. And then Rachel's sister kind of gives us a little bit of clarity into what's happening. She left a comment saying they were still together when he was posting all that, just to give some perspective on the timeline of things. So if I'm reading that correctly and understanding what her sister is saying, they were still. And this is just from my understanding of this comment left by Rachel's sister, they were still together when Matt posted the pizza video, and then they broke up between that post and the breakup post.

[Angie]

Okay, how many hours was in between?

[Mary]

Hours?

[Justin]

Three.

[Mary]

I've been seeing the number three around.

[Justin]

Well, then her sister can't make a comment like, three hours.

[Mary]

The comment that her sister left was that they were still together when he was posting all of that. And I believe there were three hours in between the two post.

[Justin]

Gotcha.

[Mary]

Okay, I can't see anymore how many hours we're between because it just says four days ago.

[Justin]

But we assumed because Matt made the post that he was the one who ended the relationship, but we don't know if that's accurate.

[Mary]

So Rachel hasn't said anything. She has liked a few comments, one of which was the more I'm thinking about it, the more I think he completely blindsided her with this and the.

[Justin]

Breakup or the post.

[Mary]

And then it said, give her some grace and let her respond in her own time. And Rachel liked that comment. So it's either that Matt blindsided her with something that led Rachel to break up with him, or he blindsided her with the breakup. It could. It could be anything she hasn't.

[Justin]

Or just. Or the prayer post. Because usually, I mean, like, in my experience with, like, these bachelor relationships or public breakups, like, usually the relationship ends long before people find out. There's usually like, hey, we should probably end this, or some, you know, if it's somewhat mutual, you know, hey, we should break up. Even if. Even if it's not mutual, there's usually a, like, a normal, like, reaction to, like, a. What is a real relationship? And then. And then eventually there's that awkward conversation of, like, well, how do we tell people?

[Whitney]

Here's the joint statement.

[Justin]

And lots of times people are like, well, I'm not ready to deal with that right now. I need to kind of have my own kind of moment to, like, process it. Sounds like whoever made the decision, Matt just quickly went to, like, Instagram and said, well, you just gotta let the people know. I guess he just wants to keep it real. I don't know.

[Whitney]

I was like, just. People, like, ruminate on it for a second. Like, you don't. We didn't need to know, like, talk to Rachel and figure out what y'all are doing. I feel like it's kind of weird to, like, put something that's so definite where I'm like, y'all been together for so long. Like, we, the public didn't need to know that. And now I just read your caption.

[Justin]

And prayed for usually eventually, like, usually you want to tell people because it's like, if you're broken up and you want to live your life, you don't want to, like, start, like, rumors about, well, why aren't they together? Or, you know, God forbid you get seen with someone from the opposite sex, you know, and people are speculating about cheating and things like that, so. But, you know, the fact that Matt.

[Angie]

Seemingly rushed to the Internet in a different country together.

[Justin]

They were just in Japan and then.

[Angie]

London, so do we even know if they're back in the U.S. who knows?

[Justin]

They could be together now, traveling.

[Angie]

I mean, broken up.

[Heather]

Messy, Messy, messy, messy.

[Whitney]

None of us know the answer to that. But I do know that the London trip, I think, happened a while ago. So that's why people were confused because they were spotted in Japan together within the last week or two.

[Angie]

Well, I think what's even more interesting is that the day before he post of the breakup, he congratulated Lindsay Arnold on her boob job.

[Justin]

Oh, my God, I forgot about that.

[Angie]

Which is so interesting because I feel like we've never seen them have any sort of. Like, we know they were partners when he was on Dancing with the Stars.

[Justin]

But Lindsay never post about it or something.

[Angie]

Well, she's been kind of doing a, like, come with me as I get this boob job. And it's been very, like, she's been very open with everyone and. But I just feel like they haven't shared any sort of, like, relationship on social media. Or maybe I just haven't been following along. But it's like, I'll be honest.

[Justin]

Even if they shared a relationship, she's married.

[Angie]

You know, Like, I think it was more. So the comment. The comment was lmao, congrats with two balloons. Two balloons. Which the two balloons emoji choice was interesting. Could have put. You know, I feel like, equally as worse. Watermelons, milk jugs.

[Justin]

Milk jugs, baby bottles.

[Monica]

LMAO is also like, a no. Congrats.

[Justin]

I think sometimes, you know, us. Us men should just not stay out of the comments.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Angie]

You know, I Feel like that wasn't a place for him.

[Justin]

There's not like a lmao. Like, PETA was my dancing partner. We remain friends. I. I try to wish her well. Like, but if. Especially now that I'm in a relationship. Like, if. If I'm in a relationship and my women friends are in relationships, there's things I just opt out of. Like, if they post a thirst trap, I opt out. You know, I don't. Like, I'm not there. I don't need to support everything they're doing.

[Whitney]

Right.

[Justin]

You know, like, and that. Post your thirst trap. But talk about your breast augmentation. I'm just not.

[Whitney]

I don't like seeing myself out of this conversation.

[Justin]

Like, if I'm Lindsay Arnold's husband, I'm.

[Angie]

Like, what the Rachel Kirkconnell?

[Justin]

Like, well, they're broken up, so they.

[Angie]

Were together when he did this, supposedly. I mean, it was before.

[Justin]

You think I caused the breakup?

[Angie]

Ooh, I don't know. I mean, I feel like. I definitely feel like that was unnecessary. It's just weird.

[Whitney]

Maybe a text.

[Angie]

You could have texted her and been like, hey, even then, congrats. That at least is like, why do it publicly? You know, I just feel like there's.

[Whitney]

Just some things where I'm like, you could keep it simple with the congrats, if not even that you're a part of the conversation. Fine. But I'm just saying I don't know their relationship, but for ultimate violence purposes, that if I ever saw my boyfriend commenting that on a girlfriend's breast augmentation post, the way he would be skinned alive.

[Angie]

It's the two O's and the LMAO and the balloons that, like, it's giving.

[Heather]

Boy, it.

[Whitney]

Yeah, there's. There's boundaries.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Monica]

You know, Natalie, you solved it. He was hacked.

[Angie]

He was hacked. That's the only explanation for all this, is crazy behavior for someone who's, like, seemingly just been like, chill, chill.

[Mary]

But it's been four days and he hasn't said anything.

[Heather]

Maybe.

[Justin]

Exactly.

[Angie]

The hacker. Hacker is. Is like, I need to relax. That was a lot. Still worked out.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Could you imagine, though, if that is the case and it's like, in a couple of days, it's like, all of that wasn't real. But wasn't. No, but Rachel was commenting.

[Monica]

She was lying.

[Justin]

He wasn't.

[Angie]

His sister. Her sister.

[Justin]

This also puts. Well, assuming that they remain broken up, a bow on. I think people forget how Matt and Rachel got together, their relationship. Matt, season of the Bachelor, being the first black bachelor we all know what happened with Chris Harrison no longer being the host, but, like, you know, Rachel kind of obviously made the mistake that she made, and we're not going to, like, get into it, but I thought that afr, as a response to, you know, what was going on with George Floyd, tensions being what they were like, was the most disgusting display of performative, like, social justice that I think I've ever seen. And, like, the way that Rachel was, like, crucified on live TV so that the franchise and the people dealing with what was going on could feel better about themselves. And then. And then fans of Bachelor Nation at a time where everyone was, like, posting their black squares and things like that and, you know, being performative allies, like, I thought it was really sad how Rachel was treated. And again, that's not to say that she didn't make the mistake that she made, but the response to what happened. And I've had conversations with Matt since then. I mean, I'll never forget that night. And I thought it was really gross behavior on the part of a lot of people during that time. But anyways, I wish Rachel and Matt the best. I hope that they move on, you know, and maybe Matt needs a crash course on Internet etiquette. But, yeah, weird. Anyways, speaking of weird, Justin, Bo Downey's continuing to sue everybody. He filed a lawsuit, I think, over the weekend, another one after he filed a lawsuit against the New York Times. I mean, man, this guy. I'm more just, like, kind of surprised by the Internet in general and the amount of people who are just trying so hard not to believe Blake Lively in this situation. I. Maybe it shouldn't be surprising to me, but it. It is.

[Angie]

The amount of people I have commenting on my posts being like, hashtag Team Justin A. I'm like, these are those bots.

[Heather]

Bot behavior?

[Justin]

Well, yeah, let's not forget that. I do think a lot of people are forgetting, you know, just to kind of recap this whole drama. In late December, Blake came out with her complaint against Justin. Right. And I think a lot of people are forgetting that the focus that complaint wasn't the sexual harassment, but it was the retaliation of the sexual harassment and the kind of the complaints that were laid out that Blake and Ryan or whatever that meeting that they had. That said, here are all the things we'd like you to stop doing for us to feel safe and comfortable to continue filming this movie and finish our work so we could all just kind of go home and never talk to each other again, which included, like, the request that Like, Justin and his team would not retaliate. And again, the focus of that complaint was the retaliation part, which, like, included like, tons of text messages and emails of, like, what is hard evidence of Justin's and his team's intentions to destroy the credibility of Blake. All those messages about, hey, this is the thing we need to do. Allah, like, the same way they would, like, try to take down Hailey Bieber. The statement of work. That was an email that clearly laid out from Justin's crisis PR team, once again, the crisis PR team that Johnny Depp's team hired to eviscerate Amber Heard's credibility. That, you know, and it point by point, like that statement of work, to kind of laid out, like, everything they plan on doing in terms of retaliating against Blake. That also include the. I think the $25,000 a month fee, which, again, is. Is an outrageous fee for any type of pr, right? So it's. It exceeds the normal amount that anyone would hire for a normal publicist. And I think a lot of people are just forgetting that. Another thing people are seem to be overlooking is the lawsuit from Stephanie Jones against Justin Baldoni. Stephanie Jones being Justin Baldoni's former publicist. And in that complaint included messages of Justin's new PR team, his crisis PR team, between Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel. Those two women talking to each other, acknowledging Justin's behavior and acknowledging his creepy behavior. And in their words, it's just all so much like those emails to me are like, very concrete. I don't know how they're taken out of context is what I'm, you know, I'm saying. I read Justin's lawsuit over the weekend, and what. What is shocking to me is how many things in that lawsuit that they admit to. They're not even denying many of the claims. It's basically Justin lawyer basically wrote this long story that to summarize is basically saying, yeah, we did this and we did that, but basically Blake is hysterical and crazy and high maintenance. And they're not even denying it.

[Angie]

It's like Justin's saying, you know, Ryan Reynolds called me a sexual predator. Like, what?

[Nick Viall]

What the heck?

[Angie]

And it's like, well, why is he calling you a sexual predator? Like, maybe we should focus on that instead of, like, feeling bad that he said that.

[Justin]

It's like the whole. The whole complaint is Justin's lawyer painting Justin as a. To Blake's alleged behavior. Like, for example, he admits to reaching out to Blake's trainer to ask about her weight. Now he claims that had something to do with his back problems. There's a debate whether there was a scene that did or didn't exist. And I'm like, who gives a shit about his. To me, I don't care about whether he had back problems or not or with whether this scene existed. Like, if you actually think that it's appropriate for your co worker to reach out to your personal trainer and ask about your weight, then like, I can't help you. And if you want to convince yourself that that's normal behavior. But. And then like the. The birthing video, they admit to that. Again, they admit to like all these random behaviors and they're just trying to spin it. I mean, it's gaslighting. For all the people over the years who wrongly use the word gaslighting just because when two people are in a fight and you disagree with them, this is literal gaslighting. Like, again, Justin's whole Persona, we actually bring up the TED Talk. I've talked about this TED Talk multiple times over the past couple episodes. I think some of you need to hear some of these outt from Justin's TED Talk.

[Michael Imperioli]

I've been pretending to be a man that I'm not my entire life.

[Justin]

See that I believe I've been pretending.

[Michael Imperioli]

To be strong when I felt weak, confident when I felt insecure and tough when really I was hurting. I think for the most part, I've just been kind of putting on a show.

[Justin]

Also believe that, because I don't just.

[Michael Imperioli]

Want to be a good man. I want to be a good human. And I believe the only way that can happen is if men learn to not only embrace the qualities that we were told are feminine in ourselves, but to be willing to stand up, to champion and learn from the women who embody them.

[Justin]

Again, this is a guy talks about standing up and championing the women around him. The same guy who had the opportunity to hire the director of this movie. Again, keep in mind, Justin is the co founder of Wayfarer that bought the rights to this movie. And so as the production company that ran this movie, they hired the director. And then when Justin had the opportunity to hire the director, he hired himself. And then he's given interviews since then, talking about some of the more sensitive scenes in this movie that, you know, speak to the domestic violence. And in those interviews he talks about, he relied on the women of this movie to make sure that they were getting the proper feedback. Well, again, like, this is not a guy who's champing women. This is a guy who's using women instead of just like hiring A woman and giving her the director credit that she could deserve or the paycheck that she could deserve and bring to life the many talented women in Hollywood who aren't getting opportunities. He could have done that, and he chose not to. But again, so if this person was real, this person who's giving this TED Talk meant what they said. That person would have hired a woman to direct this movie.

[Michael Imperioli]

Now, I've learned over time that if I want to practice vulnerability, then I need to build myself a system of accountability. So I've been really blessed as an actor. I've built a really wonderful fan base. Really, really sweet and engaged. And so I decided to use my social platform as kind of this Trojan horse, wherein I could create a daily practice of authenticity and vulnerability.

[Justin]

That's interesting. He uses the word Trojan horse because the Trojan horse is like, you're snake.

[Heather]

Yeah, it's a fake.

[Justin]

It's a fake. You're implying that it's disingenuous. And it's a way to kind of insert yourself into a community where people should otherwise think that you're the enemy. Which I thought was an interesting choice of words. Maybe a Freudian slip. I don't know. This next part is wild.

[Michael Imperioli]

Are you brave enough to be vulnerable, to reach out to another man when you need help, to dive headfirst into your shame? Are you strong enough to be sensitive, to cry whether you are hurting or you're happy, even if it makes you look weak? Are you confident enough to listen to the women in your life, to hear their ideas and their solutions, to hold their anguish and actually believe them, even if what they're saying is against you?

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Michael Imperioli]

And will you be man enough to stand up to other men? When you hear locker room talk, when you hear stories of sexual harassment, when you hear your boys talking about grabbing ass or getting her drunk, Will you actually stand up and do something so that one day we don't have to live in a world where a woman has to risk everything and come forward to say the words?

[Wells Adams]

Me too.

[Justin]

I mean, like the. The self own and the way this guy man is telling on himself. Like, again, people, if you're listening to this, ask yourself, like, if this man really bought into this, you know, would he be handling this the way he is? The way he is? You know, again, the evidence about his retaliation is pretty laid out pretty clearly. And what's crazy about Justin's lawsuit, it's. Again, it's all. It's just a. Tons of text messages of just trying to paint Blake In a bad light. It's just like debating whether, like, you know, there's messages about, you know, bringing Taylor Swift in. Like, talking about, you know, like, as if he were bullied into using parts of, you know, their song, whatever. Like, Blake always had a producer credit in this movie. It's incredibly common for people with a producer credit or like, big name actors to have input to, like, share their ideas. And Justin's whole narrative is centered around that Blake shouldn't have been sharing ideas or she was too high maintenance.

[Angie]

He also said in a te texts that we have read in one of these complaints where she tried to. He was like, always give. Always feel free to let me know on stuff. And she was like, I just wasn't sure if, like, that's what you wanted me to do. He's like, no, you have. You are always welcome to share your ideas.

[Justin]

Yeah. So like, which one is it? Like, is she allowed to share ideas or not share ideas? Again, like, one thing that people aren't talking about that I'm actually shocked about again, Justin Wayfair bought the rights to this movie. It's my understanding that they also financed a lot of this movie. I'm not familiar with the details of the contract, like point by point, but I am pretty sure because they financed it. Justin and Wayfarer, given the success of the movie, made a ton of money from this. From the success of this movie. They got a lot of back end profits. So assuming that's true, again, Justin's whole narrative is that Blake and Ryan hijacked this movie. And then my question is, to what end? Like, what was their motive? You know what I'm saying? Like, so you're telling me that they wanted. They decided to make up a story about Justin's behavior, get her entire cast to buy into this alleged lie, her entire team, the her, her personal trainer, all had to join in on this conspiracy theory so that what, Blake could have input and then regardless of whatever input that she had, Justin would still maintain his director credit. Justin in Wayfair would still get all the profits. Like, Blake didn't make any more money from the success of this movie. I'm assuming she got her paycheck. So, like, so you mean, you mean to tell me that Blake and Ryan came up with this master plan and regardless of what version they use, whether it was Blake or Justin's, like, if it was going to be successful, Justin and Wayfair were going to benefit. So instead of leaving that story, I think people need to acknowledge that Blake decided to fight this fight after, it could have. It would have gone away. I'm assuming that if it weren't for their retaliation, that Blake would have just. Again, those list of things that they wanted to fight just to get back into filming, to feel safe and comfortable, probably would have let it go. But it was the whole retaliation part of Justin investing a ton of money to try to destroy her credibility and brand by hiring these people who are known to take down people online was why she is, in fact, fighting back. And she had the most to lose and nothing to gain other than trying to get back, like, her credibility from a guy who spent money trying to destroy it. And, I mean, shit, Natalie and I have been on flights, you know, past couple weeks now with all this drama going on. Everyone's watching this movie, it's gotten more popular, and it's going to only make more money, and that means Justin and Wayfair are only going to make more money from it, and they must. Must have known that. So you're telling me their big master plan was to just, what, have more input so that they can make Justin more money? I. I don't think so. I think they did that despite knowing that that would be a sad fallout to them fighting this fight and giving it more attention than it already had. It's like, again, like, you just got to ask yourself these very basic questions. And instead of, like, deciding that you don't like Blake Lively because, again, she reminds you of someone you went to high school with, you act, just read the complaints and, like, Justin, again, has a ton of text messages, and you. And you could read Justin's complaint and you could decide that Blake Lively is someone that you don't fuck with or someone that you don't like. It does not answer the questions about Justin's behavior and specifically the retaliation, which is still going on. It's so obvious about the bots. Like, it's still obvious that the people he was paying back in August sure seem like he's still paying them, and they're still doing.

[Angie]

He definitely hasn't fired him, that's for sure. Yeah, why fire them now? You still need them.

[Justin]

Because so much of what. So much of what they talked about was about not flying under the radar, not getting caught, being covert about how it comes across. And, you know, honestly, I don't even think they use bots. I think they're far more sophisticated. That's why it costs $25,000 a month to. To keep these people on their payroll.

[Angie]

What's also crazy is that he went to Leave LA and pulled a Tom Sandoval called the paparazzi to make sure they shot him.

[Justin]

I mean, like, play that. Do we have that?

[Heather]

He reminds me of Frank Booth from the David lynch movie Blue Velvet and the girls. That'll get it.

[Angie]

We'll get it.

[Heather]

You ever seen Blue Velvet, the David lynch movie?

[Justin]

No.

[Heather]

Oh, you wouldn't like it. But he reminds me of Frank Booth.

[Justin]

I mean, it's so obvious. He called the paparazzi because there's. It's this place in lax. After you walk up the gates, and as soon as Justin comes up to escalator, the TMZ reporter immediately goes to him. There's no, like, pause. There's no, like, oh, my God, it's Justin Baldoni. It was like. Like they were doing a scene, you know?

[Angie]

Wait, listen.

[Justin]

How are you doing?

[Tom Sandoval]

We're grateful to be with the family.

[Justin]

Grateful. All right, look, I know it's a tough time for you. How do you get through this?

[Michael Imperioli]

Oh, man, we have amazing friends and family.

[Heather]

Set you a screen if you need one.

[Justin]

Thank you so much, man. Have a great day. You got it.

[Angie]

What's also crazy about that is, like, LAX is huge. It's massive. And the amount of celebrities that we've seen there, I've never once seen a paparazzi.

[Monica]

We're still using tmz, literally.

[Angie]

Also, also the fact that he's talking to tmz, the amount of celebrities who just, like, don't. They're like, I'm not like, come on, I'm with my family. I'm dealing with this big thing. I'm just trying to get on an airplane. Like, I'm not about to talk. And the fact that he's like, hey, man, how are you? Yeah, man, I'm With a smile.

[Justin]

He's not. He doesn't look caught off guard.

[Angie]

Performance.

[Justin]

It's like when you get. When TMZ approaches you, it's very intrusive, and you're kind of like, look around. You feel kind of uncomfortable.

[Angie]

And they come up with a huge camera, and they're like, hey.

[Justin]

He.

[Angie]

Hey, what's going on? Talk about this, talk about that. And it's like, oh, my God, I just got to get out of here. But he is.

[Justin]

He loves. So obvious that he and his team called tmz. And again, his lawsuit doesn't even seem to be. I'm not a lawyer for the courts, but it seems to be for us, the audience, and try to win people in the court of public opinion.

[Whitney]

I actually do have a comment on that. Because I did want to just like, read an opening statement from his new lawsuit versus her lawsuit. Where me, I read the 179 pages and it was hard because it's like, I feel like I'm reading a novel like your lawyer is an author. Because it's really hard to discern what's fact and what's not. So like an opening statement on her lawsuit. On January 4, 2024, prior to resuming filming of It Ends with us. Following guild strikes, an all hands meeting was convened to address the hostile work environment that has nearly derailed the production of the film. His first opening statement. The following is not a story plaintiffs ever wish to tell. Unfortunately, defendant Blake Lively has unequivocally left them with no choice. Not only to set the record straight in response to Lively's accusations, but to also put the spotlight on the parts of Hollywood that they have dedicated their careers to. Being the antithesis of that task was always going to be an uphill battle.

[Angie]

Jesus.

[Whitney]

They never imagined they would have to encounter it to this degree. And I was like, this is for Colleen Hoover readers.

[Heather]

That is a creative writing piece. That is not. That is not jargon.

[Whitney]

The figurative language in this lawsuit where I'm like. Though very eloquent. Yeah, and. And that was like an AP lit test. Thank you. That's why I was like, show me the facts.

[Justin]

Like, go back to the TED Talk. There's a part that Justin keeps telling on himself.

[Angie]

I love how there's like two men in this, but they made sure to get him serious stuff.

[Justin]

Serious stuff.

[Michael Imperioli]

I've had to take a real honest look at the ways that I've unconsciously been hurt, that I've unconsciously been hurting the women in my life.

[Justin]

What a Freudian slip.

[Michael Imperioli]

And it's ugly. My wife told me that I had been acting in a certain way that hurt her and not correcting it. Basically, sometimes when she would go to speak at home or in public, I would just cut her off mid sentence and finish her thought for her. It's awful. The worst part was that I was completely unaware when I was doing it. It was unconscious.

[Justin]

Like, what else is he unconsciously doing? You know, like, this is a man, you know, like, seemingly admitting to this behavior that he acts in ways towards women that he doesn't even realize he's doing it and it's unconscious. But now he's allegedly done the work that. See, he's seemingly incapable of being this guy who has, in his own words, hurt women in his life.

[Angie]

But we also know that he admitted to in a text that we read from Justin Baldoni of, like, having this plan to, like, go see, get the. Go to the class or go to the session where he could, like, blame all of this on his ADD or ADHD or neurodivergency.

[Justin]

It's a very calculated person. And back to the allegation that were. Ryan allegedly called Justin a sexual predator. If your partner was working with someone who made their whole platform about making an environment safe for women and being an ally to women and understanding women's plight and started calling their trainer to ask about her weight postpartum, by the way. And again, if as someone who knows, it's like to be married to someone who just had a child, the vulnerability that all women feel about a lot of things, especially their body postpartum. And then here's Justin acting this way and then trying to paint himself as the victim is wild behavior. And the amount of people who are just trying so hard to not believe Blake because they decided back problems because they don't like her.

[Angie]

His back hurts and his chiropractor said he has to make sure the weight.

[Justin]

If you have back problems that, like, make it at risk, then write out the scene.

[Heather]

Such a loser.

[Justin]

Like, take the scene out. Like what? Like, if you shouldn't be picking out people, then don't pick up, pick up anyone. And regardless of how much Blake Lively weighs or doesn't weigh, like, you don't have the right to go behind her her back and ask about her weight.

[Whitney]

I also do think that there is something to be concerned about in the sense to where you could admit that you've made mistakes in the past, but you're claiming as if being a healed person means that, like, you're incapable of making mistakes further.

[Justin]

Yeah, and that's the whole Gaslight part about it. It's like, imagine what it'd be like to work in this environment with this person who says, no, I'm the good guy, I'm the good guy, I'm safe, I understand. And then constantly does things like hire his friend. Regardless, I know there's debate whether this friend that Justin hired was an actor or not actor. Justin claims he was. I know Blake didn' But once again, if you're a man who understands the plight of women and wants to make them feel comfortable, wouldn't you hire a woman to play that doctor? You know, like, why is he hiring his male buddy? Again, there's this example after example how Justin is not the ally he claims to be. He's not the feminist he claims to be, even though he made his whole plan. Also, if you really are an ally, you don't have to yell it. You don't have to scream it. You don't have to talk about it all the time. You just. Just do it. You just do. You just do it when it comes up. When the opportunity presents itself, you support the people you love.

[Angie]

I mean, it's the classic saying, actions speak louder than words. And clearly, like, his actions are not well.

[Whitney]

And also, you can just do without having to broadcast it. Like, if you are an ally, if you are a good person, if you are somebody that's dedicated to helping other people, you don't have to talk about it every single time.

[Justin]

Again, the amount of people online talking about this alleged deadpool scene and acting as if, like. Like, Ryan Reynolds was inappropriate for cracking some jokes. I mean, I don't. I don't know what it would be like to be in Blake and Ryan's position. Right. Like, what they tried to do is try to finish the job. They tried to. Again, it wasn't like, oh, Justin started making all these people feel uncomfortable, and she threw a big fit about it. No, she tried to squash it. Tried to get things back on track so everyone can go back to work and just hope that they wouldn't retaliate. That was their ultimate goal. And then, so. So they tried to, you know, I guess, I don't know, deal with it. I mean, for all the people who are claiming that Ryan allegedly was mocking Justin Baldoni, if that's true, again, like, what. How does that make Blake's accusations less credible? Like, I would do that and more. If I were in Ryan's position, I would absolutely mock the guy. I would want to fight back any way I could. You know, they're probably limited in ways they can fight back. I would imagine they'd probably been talking to the lawyers and things like that, you know, but the. The amount of focus the Internet is giving this, as opposed to, again, Stephanie Jones's complaint and all the shocking text messages that are in that and the shocking text messages that, like, very clearly lay out that Justin hired this team and very much had the intention of trying to make Blake Lively look bad online. It's just, like, crazy.

[Monica]

I saw this Tiktoker Sachi, who said, it feels like he's acting. It's a dangerous game that a lot of men will go into, where they're kind of telling on themselves for overdoing it.

[Justin]

Yeah. In regards to him, I don't know. For all the team Justin. People out there, I don't know, you're kind of telling on yourself. It's not that hard. And again, go look at his engagement video. This is a man who spent 30 minutes acting and performing skits that had nothing to do with his relationship and made the. The woman that he was about to propose to sit there and just watch him act. It was a Justin Baldoni performance about Justin Baldoni, featuring Justin Baldoni, starring Justin Baldoni, directed by Justin Baldoni. And like, I honestly, I don't even know his wife's name. For a man who wants to elevate women and hold up women and, and. And showcase women, boy, his wife sure lives in the shadows.

[Angie]

Also, that photo of them, like, supposedly in the basement during the, like, it ends with us. They sure looked fucking happy to be in the basement. They're all like, woo.

[Justin]

And they could have left so happy.

[Angie]

They could have, like, if you're, like, shunned and sent to the basement, wouldn't you be like.

[Justin]

But again, if maybe you were shunned because you made Blake and her entire team feel. Feel really uncomfortable. Her entire team, like Jenny Slate and Landon Skinnar, who all. And her hairdresser, Colleen Hoover herself, her assistant, Colleen Hoover all come and, like, up Blake's story, but people want to still, like, find reasons not to believe her. It is shocking to me. And also, Brandon, I didn't realize he was the same actor in 1923 who. He's an absolute badass in this and.

[Angie]

A lot of stuff.

[Justin]

He's. Yeah, he's really great. I didn't realize.

[Angie]

Also, like, I know a lot of people have been in my stuff being like, I hope you give the same amount of, like, attention to Justin's lawsuit. And it's like, we read it and then we're like, this is bullshit. And we give our opinion on this show, and our opinion is we're Team Blade. So.

[Justin]

But yeah, it's a. It's a lot of text messages between Justin and Blake, and it's just painting Justin as a victim. It's text messages between Justin and his team being annoyed with Blake, being frustrated with Blake. And again, they're trying to paint Blake as the high maintenance, overbearing, you know, demanding, mean girl that they're claiming her to be. A lot of the lawsuit is centered around this, like, Blake making the wardrobe come to her. Again, this is someone who just gave birth to her fourth child. Like, God forbid that she wanted the wardrobe to come to her to make her life a little bit easier. So that Maybe she could spend more time with her kids. And again, I would think that the guy giving that TED Talk would be more than happy to accommodate that request, as opposed to painting her in the light that he's so badly trying to paint her.

[Heather]

Also, it's like, you can. Blake could be everything people say about her, and that still does not mean that. That she should be harassed. Like, you can be.

[Justin]

You can don't like Blake.

[Heather]

Yeah, you can hate Blake and think she's a shitty person and think she sucks and thinks she's like, all of these things and whatever. And that still does not mean that.

[Whitney]

It didn't negate that.

[Heather]

Yeah, it does not negate. Like, you can be a shitty person and still, like, not deserve to have things happen to you.

[Justin]

Yeah. And the amount of people are deciding that Blake would. Is a mean girl.

[Heather]

She's not a perfect victim or she's.

[Justin]

Not, you know, she's not a girl's girl that they decided that. Well, it's. They're almost like, well, she kind of deserved it.

[Heather]

Nobody deserves it.

[Justin]

It's crazy.

[Monica]

Misogyny.

[Heather]

It's misogyny. Yeah. It's just stupid.

[Justin]

Anyways. I don't know. As always, as I said since August, ask yourself smart questions, the right questions, and like, just take Blake out of it. Take the. Take the person out of it and just read the claims. And I don't know how you can take some of that stuff out of context. Watch Justin's videos and ask yourself, is this guy sincere? Is he real or is he just telling it himself? Or is it just an act to cover up a guy who just obviously has been problematic?

[Angie]

How did TMZ know that he was taking that 5:30 Delta flight to wherever the fuck he's going?

[Heather]

Also, that looks like. I could be wrong, but judging by how lax looks, that looks like post security.

[Justin]

No, it's right up the escalator.

[Angie]

It's right before you go into tsa.

[Justin]

He was flying Delta.

[Angie]

Yeah, he was flying Delta.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Okay, but it's like, how. How did that TNZ guy know that?

[Justin]

No, why.

[Angie]

Why didn't he. Why wouldn't he think he's flying America?

[Justin]

Watch the video again. There's no pause. There's no reaction. The guy. The camera was ready. Because again, when TMZ finds you, they like, the guy's just, like, standing there. These TMZ people just hang around these areas, and when they find you, then they'll roll the camera. This camera was rolling before Justin came up the escalator. Does this guy have? Is he a psychic? All right, well, it's a new year and it's time to get that closet freshened up and you can do that with the great people at Qu Quince. We've talked about them over and over and over because we love everything they do. They have some great items. If you are tired of going to the same stores and seeing the same fast fashion everywhere you go, you gotta check out Quince because they truly have a great quality selection.

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[Angie]

I mean, the crying that I saw.

[Whitney]

On social media, the confessions on TikTok.

[Heather]

Yes.

[Whitney]

All of these creators started outing themselves like within 24 hours of the app closing down. Yeah. So there was this trending sound that they were using and some like, you've got fitness creators saying that they never did the workouts that they posted. You've got food creators, food creators being like. Like there's one guy that like bakes things in his car or something because he lives in Arizona. And it's like he's like not all of the baking. Like the success of the baking videos turned out. So it's like all of these people are starting to come forward, outing themselves, thinking that the app is going to be completely gone. Forgetting the fact Meredith Doxvert.

[Angie]

Is that her last name? Dox, who like went viral for doing so much makeup and she was like rapping and it was so cool. She was like, I wiped off half of those layers, like everything.

[Whitney]

Until I'm like, I thought about trying it. I didn't do it because I was like, what a waste of makeup. But like, things that people actually went home after watching these people's videos and did come to find out, all fake, all for. For contemporation.

[Angie]

Because they were like, it's going away. Let me just like give my last confession of.

[Justin]

But there's other platforms out there.

[Whitney]

Well, that's the problem and that's the like, kind of the best part of it all is it kind of like outed lot of content creators for being fake. But it's like they forgot the fact that it's like if TikTok is gone, you're going to have to go to a different platform and now nobody trusts you.

[Justin]

I mean after talking to Emily Baker, I'm Darwinism. I'm a little, I'm a little sad. I mean I don't. Again, I don't use it as a consumer. We use it obviously. We, we post our videos on it. My thankfully have a team who posts that for me. But like I don't remember the last time I was scrolling because I just want to protect my mental health.

[Angie]

But I mean it is also very sad because I do know it was one of the most like women dominated industries. I know a lot of who.

[Justin]

Oh, TikTok.

[Angie]

Oh yeah. I mean providing for their family. Like the, the amount of money that these women were able to make off of this app. I mean, talk it. Yeah.

[Justin]

Oh my God. Mom talk. But like mom talk survive.

[Heather]

No, it did, I guess.

[Justin]

I mean, so like that now. I don't know.

[Angie]

I don't know. I mean I think it's very sad that like all of these people who were making money and providing for their families lost that in seconds. Obviously now it is back. So it was a little like. But I just wish that people would put this amount of energy into like, like, come on, let's.

[Heather]

High speed railway systems like world hunger.

[Angie]

It's like we could do something if we all just cared about this equally as much as we cared about Tick tock.

[Justin]

I would like a high speed rail system.

[Heather]

Right.

[Angie]

Something.

[Heather]

Right.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Angie]

But anyway, so it's back.

[Justin]

It's back. And who's back on it? Spencer Pratt. It continues to promote his wife, Heidi Montauk, who is now a pop Superman star and following in their footsteps. Leighton Meester's fans are trying to get her song Somebody to Love and they're buying her song. The big question is, is Adam Brody going to step up in the way that Spencer Pratt has? Because I don't think this has the longevity that it's had with Heidi. If, if not for Spencer, he's been his wife's best PR manager, agent, you know, fan, and it's absolutely worked in the best possible way. So I, I would love to see Adam Brody step up for his wife.

[Angie]

I think this is more of like a fans thing and less of. And Adam want her to be the number one super pop star.

[Justin]

Oh, because she doesn't want to be.

[Angie]

I haven't talked to her.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Angie]

So I don't know. But I just think this is more of, like, fan, you know, clearly this was Heidi and Spencer. It was led by Spencer. It was Spencer, you know, And I think this is more so fans being like, well, hey, Leighton Meester also has a couple songs out. We should also try to get her up there as well.

[Justin]

Spencer and Heidi keep saying they're coming on, so hopefully they're coming on on Wednesday. We'll. We'll. We'll see. You know, she's. She's very busy being a new pop superstar, so. So we will hopefully have them on Wednesday.

[Whitney]

An update on Leighton. I guess her song is in the pop charts again. And big supporter. Flavor Flav posted to hype up.

[Justin]

His was also a supporter of Heidi's song. So maybe Flavor Flav is really the musical curator. He also taped Red Lobster.

[Heather]

You want to talk about an ally?

[Whitney]

Talk about self. Flavor Flav, right?

[Justin]

He really is, like, taking care of the common man and also so hip.

[Whitney]

To what's going on on the Internet.

[Angie]

He is.

[Heather]

Yeah. Oh, my God. When he met Paul, Paul Simon, that was a very beautiful day for me. It was really cute.

[Justin]

Anyway, I'm not familiar with that thing. Anyways.

[Angie]

A recent study reveals that people who walk faster may be less happy in life.

[Heather]

Yeah, I walk real fast.

[Angie]

I walk so slow.

[Whitney]

I'm so happy.

[Angie]

Nick calls me Pokey all the time.

[Heather]

When I was little, my family used to call me Sid the sloth because I would.

[Justin]

You look pokey. What?

[Heather]

I don't even know what that's referring to.

[Angie]

Saying you look sl.

[Whitney]

Like you walk slow.

[Justin]

You just look like you're not in a rush.

[Heather]

I'm not. Never in my life have I been in a rush.

[Justin]

A Midwest thing.

[Whitney]

100%. Cuz I've never heard that.

[Angie]

Never heard that.

[Monica]

The hokey Pokey.

[Justin]

Pokey. You're being Pokey.

[Angie]

No, that's in the south too.

[Justin]

Yeah, just like slow.

[Angie]

Just slow.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Like if we're in an airport and our thing, like, we're going to, like, they're going to shut the doors on us. Nick is there, and I just go.

[Justin]

Make him wait for me.

[Angie]

And what pisses me off even more is, like, the constant look back to see just, like, how far I'm like, don't look at me. I'm constantly coming.

[Monica]

Wait, Nick, do you ever do, like, the backwards tour guide walk because you're walking so fast that you have to, like, talk to, like, someone, but also walk your normal speed?

[Heather]

He did that to me while we were roller skating.

[Justin]

Oh, I was trying to help you roller skate.

[Angie]

I know.

[Heather]

And it was Not. I was just like, oh, you're going backwards. And I'm literally grasping the wall for my life.

[Angie]

So he's going backwards on one foot.

[Justin]

On one foot.

[Heather]

I was just like.

[Justin]

I was, man. I was mansplaining. Roller skating.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Y'all know that Nick.

[Whitney]

I'm holding hands.

[Angie]

Y'all know that Nick has not had sugar, coffee, or weed at all. And in two weeks, I had one coffee. Oh, yeah.

[Justin]

And one coffee, but no sugar. I'm not even n. Ordered an Honor Palmer, my favorite drink ever, and I just watched her drink it.

[Angie]

You ordered a unsweetened tea, though.

[Justin]

Yeah. Emphasis on unsweetened accountability.

[Monica]

It's good to have.

[Angie]

No, but I am so proud of him because for someone who, like, dabbled in extracurricular activities for so long and then to just, like, cut cold turkey and honestly hasn't, like, he hasn't been like, oh, I wish I. Like, I haven't heard a peep out of him. It's like he hasn't even thought about it. I did see him yesterday open up what used to be a drawer of extracurricular activity and just kind of was, like, looking longing.

[Justin]

No, you missed the part where I saw some residue and the bottom of the tray on two trays, and I collected the residue to see if it could work. And I. Then I was like, this. No. And I threw.

[Angie]

It wasn't around for that moment. You must have done that in your.

[Justin]

I could have used it. And it was like. It was mostly extracurricular activities. And then maybe, like, you know, a paperclip. Paperclip. Some dust, you know, pencil fibers. Who knows? It was a smorgasbord of.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Of a junk shore. It would.

[Heather]

It would make you feel something. Yeah.

[Justin]

I opted to throw it away. And I. I'm.

[Whitney]

Are all these, like, fast and choices so that you can post thirst traps like. Dylan Efron.

[Justin]

The body's coming back. I haven't really been able to work out much lately because, like, air quality not good. And. And I haven't been able to do that. But, yeah, I'm. I look in the mirror and I. I see me.

[Angie]

You know, I see you.

[Justin]

Yeah, no, I'm. I don't know. I don't. Eventually, I might throw. I might. I might sneak in a thirst trap when. When I. If I. If I really get the body back and just be like, oh, my God, like, oops, dad bod.

[Angie]

But could y'all. I mean, the. Like, Nick's page is all podcast stuff, so then to just have, like, Special setup. Just a thirst trap in there.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Angie]

I wonder if Matt James would comment.

[Justin]

Yeah. Would he give me two balloons?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Monica]

Lmao.

[Justin]

Way to do all those push ups.

[Whitney]

Congratulations. Two peaches.

[Heather]

Father God just told me you look hot.

[Monica]

As I was in Target this weekend, Nick and I saw sour candies and I thought of you and I was like, should I? I was like, I have to.

[Justin]

That's what you bought me.

[Monica]

A different kind. But I was like. It said sour and I was like, he would like.

[Justin]

If you, if you find those again, you should buy them.

[Monica]

You'll break the fast for them.

[Justin]

Well, I mean, I mean, eventually, I don't know. Yeah, eventually I'll try. I don't know. I really.

[Angie]

There is no trying, honey. You eat the whole thing.

[Justin]

Yeah, that's true. We have just, you know, later in this episode, the great Wells Adams joins us to talk about his very mini short stint on Traitors.

[Angie]

But he is in Times Square.

[Justin]

So like he is in Times Square.

[Whitney]

Next to Alan Cummings.

[Justin]

Pretty cool Flex and the dog. And Michael Imperioli. You know him from Sopranos, you know him from season two White Lotus. He is with us and he's promoting the restoration of the the iconic film Girlstown. So excited to talk with him. I'm excited to ask him about some White Lotus stuff. We got season three coming up. I'm curious about his time on White Lotus. So that should be fun. Also tomorrow we have a very special going deeper for you all, so get ready for that. Just a little reminder before we get into Southern charm via files+ is out there available and many of you are missing out. Let me tell you our pop extra episode. All your favorite pop culture topics we didn't get to talk about in reality recap. We have our update specials for all you asked Nick fans out there, all your juicy updates as well as our Vanderpump recaps. If you are missing Vanderpump, well, as many of us are, we'll bring you back to all the juicy insulation stuff where, you know, people like Ike Kennedy really, you know, show their true colors and things like that. You can sign up on vile files.com or if you listen to it on Apple, just sign up right there. It's free to sign up, get a seven day free trial. So check it out. Should we do some reality tv?

[Monica]

Yeah. Did you see Shep Rose is no longer with his girlfriend Sienna?

[Justin]

No. What happened?

[Angie]

Well, after that conversation he had with Molly, I would hope that his girlfriend would be like I for.

[Justin]

Yeah, after that scene with Molly Because I said they make sense.

[Heather]

Yeah, there's something there.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Why are Shep and Sienna rumored to be broken up?

[Monica]

Well, it's not rumored because he confirmed it. Well, he said it. So basically, he was saying how there is this incident where. Where she didn't buy a plane ticket for a trip they were taking, so she was waiting for him to buy it. So then he was like, okay, I'll buy it. And then basically, this is what he said. She said, where I come from, the man takes care of everything. That's a bad thing to think and to practice, frankly. So anyhow, I was like, maybe we should take a step back. And she was like, yeah, okay.

[Justin]

I. I couldn't agree more.

[Angie]

So she said, I expect you to do everything. Pay for everything. And he was like, yay. Cause I don't know how I feel about that. And she was like, well, then maybe we'll. We should bring up.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I mean, when Natalie and I were dating and she was flying to LA to see me, I paid for the flights, but I offered, and I was like, to me.

[Angie]

Invited me out. So, like, if you're inviting me somewhere, you better pay.

[Justin]

But, like, as a time where, like, yeah, I wanted her to come to me, I felt like I was in a position to do that financially. But what Natalie never said to me is, I expect you to do this. You have to do this. A man pays for everything.

[Angie]

No, but it is. Is like, hey, I want you to come to Australia with me. And it's like, okay, you want me to buy that ticket to Australia? Like, yeah, you want me to come with you, and you want me to also pay how many dollars for a flight?

[Justin]

Like, I'm just saying, like, if you would have ever. Early in our dating situation, just point. Blake made a statement that, like, it's your job to pay for me. Point blank period. Yes.

[Angie]

I do not agree with that.

[Justin]

I would have been like, yuck. Ew. Ick.

[Angie]

Yeah, I don't. I don't agree with that mindset. I know that is a lot of people in the south, especially's mindset. That's a very, like, old way of thinking of, like, man takes care of the family. And, like, for sure, I love taking.

[Justin]

Care of my family. But, like, there's this. You. You remove the. I guess it's like, you remove the love language from it.

[Angie]

But also, they're not a family yet. Like, they've been dating for dating.

[Justin]

Yeah, but, like, if. If you are, like, an active service person and you like, doing things for the person you love. As soon as that person says. Says, this is an expectation, and this is your job to do it, it removes that ability to feel like you're doing something for that person you love. That I want to go out of my way and take care of you. I want to go out of my way and do something nice. It doesn't feel nice when it feels like your job required and it's required. And so, like, I would. I would absolutely be like, you know what? We're just not meant to be.

[Monica]

Want to clarify? So they took a break because of it. So they might be back together. Together.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Justin]

It's not gonna last.

[Whitney]

Probably not.

[Justin]

It was never gonna last. But, you know, I mean, again, in.

[Angie]

This episode of Southern Charm, he was, like, all up on Somali, calling her. I mean, honking at her from the side. And he's like, you look good.

[Justin]

I'm gonna pull over and not come talk to you.

[Angie]

And also, like, you need to give yourself so much more credit. I mean, look at you.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Angie]

It's just you're. And then he's like, yeah, so me and Sienna, we're actually doing really good.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Heather]

Then he's like, I'm gonna listen to classical music.

[Justin]

You.

[Heather]

Yeah, that's giving. It's giving Crush.

[Angie]

He's coming to her concert.

[Justin]

Was that a fake drowning incident? Like, what's going on?

[Heather]

I don't know.

[Monica]

Vanita is not the type to fake. But that scene looked so fake.

[Heather]

I was so confused. I thought I missed something.

[Angie]

We need a little spice up this party. And she was like, I'll jump in, hold my drink. And then Craig came to, quote, unquote, save the day.

[Whitney]

It was hot.

[Angie]

It did look wonderful. It did look wonderful. Him, like, lifting her out of the.

[Whitney]

Pool and still diving into the pool and then being like, I got this.

[Justin]

Or all the guys who just, like, stood there and watched.

[Angie]

Actually, did you see the cameraman? It looked like the cameraman close to the pool, like, tried to put down the camera and then saw and then.

[Whitney]

Also realized he's got, like, packs and all of these things. But, yeah, Craig had his phone in his pocket, too. I don't know if y'all noticed that when he was, like, pulling out and I was like, oh, my God, what a gentleman.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Then all the other guys really look bad who are just, like, standing there.

[Heather]

Whitney really made me laugh in this episode, though. Just him, like, just his personality of just not wanting to be there, there, and then just being snarky the whole time did make me giggle in the fact That I was kind of bored the whole episode.

[Monica]

He is the executive producer.

[Justin]

Yeah. He's bored of his own show.

[Heather]

Yeah. He was like, well, I'm so happy I'm here tonight.

[Justin]

Who's the other girl that Taylor was fighting with? Your team Sally. Our team Taylor for sure.

[Angie]

Taylor.

[Justin]

I feel like, you know, even back to last season with Olivia, I just. We've met Taylor. We've had her on. I just. She doesn't seem to be this lying, manipulative, backstabbing, not a girl's girl that it seems like so many of her castmates are trying to paint her in. Maybe she just has us fooled, but, like, I don't know. I just feel like maybe they don't like her because she's, you know, they. They see her as well.

[Angie]

Also, she didn't say who in the group. Group said not to trust her. We never saw that on camera.

[Justin]

I hate that. If you're gonna say people, tell me who it is. Name them.

[Whitney]

Name them.

[Justin]

No, just random accusation. Oh, you know, everyone says this about you. I. You just so you know, there's a.

[Whitney]

Group of people that talk about you. We all feel the same way, but I can't out them because I'm loyal.

[Justin]

No, no. That's so many. Immediately, you're wrong. If you're the person who says that, you're so wrong. Also, Sally's boyfriend. Friend is giving Justin Baldoni Gaston tique.

[Angie]

No, no, no. He is Andrew, Sally's boyfriend.

[Whitney]

Oh, Sally's boyfriend.

[Heather]

I thought I understood the situation, and then as I kept watching it, I was like, I think I have all these people back, and I'm so confused.

[Angie]

They're all blonde. The immediate. He's come on to set. We've never seen him before. And the throat grab that he did on Sally for a kiss.

[Monica]

The Hawaiian shirt.

[Whitney]

Connor wanted to turn off the tv.

[Angie]

The throat grab. Throat grab. And he did it twice. And, like, aggressive for no reason.

[Justin]

Do your thing. We also. We all love a little, you know, tension, but like, that. A greeting on camera is your introduction grabbing her throat and pulling her in for a kiss.

[Monica]

I kind of like Sally.

[Angie]

I don't. Because I don't respect the way that she's going about this whole Taylor Gaston thing. For her to sit there and be like, he's part of my past. I deserve a right to talk about him.

[Wells Adams]

Sure.

[Angie]

Yeah, you do. But you're also. You're in a relationship. Relationship. And now he's in a relationship, and you're only doing this to, like, have some sort of storyline to, like, have something to share with the other women to, like, talk about. That's the only reason you're doing this. Like, if. If this, like, relationship was something that, like, you really felt. I don't know. It just seems like it's very performative to me, and, like, you're in this new relationship, so why are you, like, talking about him? And then to be like, he called me and told me to keep his name out of. Well, yeah. Yeah, I would, too.

[Justin]

Having the right to do something doesn't make you not a douchebag for doing it. Like, yeah, Yeah.

[Heather]

I don't think I fully realized who Sally was because she is blonde hair, show, brown hair, interview.

[Justin]

It is very confusing.

[Heather]

Really confusing for me. That's all.

[Justin]

I kind of like her as a brunette.

[Whitney]

If I have to watch one more scene of Austin crying over Craig, I'm gonna lose it.

[Justin]

Yeah. And why is Madison, like, this all seems fake. I mean, Craig didn't even meet up with jt. They did a scene.

[Whitney]

They did a scene, and it wasn't.

[Justin]

Even, like, them getting along. It was them, like, hashing out their differences.

[Whitney]

It was them having a fake conversation because you've got JT in his interviews being like, oh, I'm holding back. And I just. There's so much I want to say. And he's just like, hey, buddy, are we going to be friends? Are we. Can we be cool?

[Justin]

Because he's a puss.

[Whitney]

Exactly. But I'm just like, there was no point of us even watching that. Craig was like, all right, guess we're cool, man. And JT's like, we're not cool, but we are cool. I don't know. The whole thing just makes zero sense.

[Monica]

I think Molly added context on our episode last week where she said everybody's acting like his accident was nothing when it was more than, like, it was dangerous. So that gives context of, like. I think clearly JT looks like he feels invalidated. Like, people are looking at him like he's weird, saying he's doing stuff he's not doing when it's like, well, then.

[Justin]

Again, I mean, maybe he had a very serious accident, but, like, he can still be doing weird things, but Craig's.

[Monica]

Saying there's an audio or that he said something where we don't even have audio. Existing of it is kind of like, now you're gaslighting him.

[Justin]

Why would Craig make that up?

[Angie]

Well, I think.

[Whitney]

I think it was.

[Angie]

It's been proven to, like, Craig embellishes, and he, like, likes to add on to a story here and there. And like on watch what happens live, they're like, you're a bit of a liar. And he was like, me what? And then they played like several instances where he lied and it's like, okay.

[Heather]

He'S kind of messy like that.

[Whitney]

And they all said, even then I will say JT is not my favorite person on reality television vision at all. But I'm like, I will give him. I'm like, he's not the type of person. He's very clean cut in the way that he speaks that I'm like, it's giving like Southern gentlemen. I don't think he would use a term like that to call an older woman out of her name. I just really don't.

[Justin]

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[Wells Adams]

Glad you glad you threw that in.

[Justin]

You were so pissed. You were so mad.

[Wells Adams]

I was so angry.

[Angie]

We were so angry.

[Justin]

We were angry for you.

[Angie]

Yeah, it was so fucked the way it happened.

[Wells Adams]

It's like, yeah, I did not see it coming.

[Angie]

I bet. Yeah, I bet you didn't.

[Wells Adams]

I was like, what are you guys talking about right now? It made zero sense.

[Angie]

And I bet at that round table because obviously that came out of nowhere. So were you just kind of like, what do I even say? How do I defend myself right now?

[Wells Adams]

Like, I had a little bit of heads up, okay? Dylan came to me like 10 minutes before we went into the roundtable and was like, yo, I'm hearing your name, name. And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, I don't understand it either. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And he's like, you should go do some politicking around the house. And I'm like, yeah, sure, who's saying it? You know, like, what do I got to do? And I like walk away from Dylan. And then it's like, producers like, stop talking. We're going into the round table. And I'm like, what?

[Angie]

I need one second.

[Wells Adams]

Which it makes sense. Like, I would want all of my like, politicking to happen at the round table. Like I get it from their standpoint, but I was like, like what? And especially when I watched the show back, like, I was watching, I guess, last night. Like, Nikki finds out that she's, like, her name's being called, so she has time. Like, we'll walk around and be like, what are you guys talking about? I wasn't given that opportunity, which is.

[Justin]

I was. It's tough, though, because, like, when you get accused of something, everyone thinks there are good people, readers and things like that. But if someone was like, you're a traitor. Like, it's hard not to be like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, to. To not find the words and. And. And stumble over your words and. And then have people think means you're lying and things like that.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I mean, like, so what happened to me was, I'm stupid. That's why. Like, I'm an idiot. Like, you know, hindsight 20 20. Right. So talking about the boat.

[Justin]

Because I do want to ask you about the boat.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can. I mean, we can go through the whole thing, but my. My downfall was saying I thought what the traders did was stupid.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Which I stand by what I said.

[Angie]

I definitely. I stand by you too. It was stupid.

[Wells Adams]

As I.

[Justin]

That's not really the point.

[Wells Adams]

No, it's not. But. And as I watch it, I'm like, these are dumb moves. Like, I will die on this hill. I did die on the hill, actually.

[Angie]

Yeah, you're murdered.

[Justin]

But, yeah, you're. You're usually Mr. Affable Wells.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, I know.

[Justin]

Does it. Keeps his opinions to himself. Hey, guys, stop arguing. Let's just crack open a beer and have a good time. I'm the guy who ruffles feathers early. Like, I was just like, what is he doing?

[Wells Adams]

Well, here's the thing. The thing that I said was not considered controversial by anyone except for two people.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

First of all, I wasn't the only one who said that. Everyone said what I said. Because what happened was the night before, everyone, I would say, like, 90% of the cast was like, dorin's a traitor. Right? And we're like, yeah, 100%. And so we were like, all right, so we're gonna banish her tomorrow. Right? And that's how we went to bed, thinking, right? And then we wake up and she's gone. She'd been murdered. And we're like. Everyone was like, but we were gonna do that. Like, why would you kill someone that we were already gonna banish? Like, get a. Get someone. Get a threat out. So everyone's said it. And then, like, where I went wrong was as I was sitting in the billiards room and Robin and Sam walk in and we're all talking about it and everyone is also saying, like, yeah, what are we gonna do now? Like, that was so dumb. And so she's like, what do you guys think? And I say the thing that I say. And she got really defensive. And, like, right then I was like, oh, no. Like, I thought what I was saying was uni. Universal change.

[Angie]

She would be like, oh, yeah, I feel the same way.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah. But then, you know, like, looking back, it makes sense. Like, she's a housewife. She. I think she was kind of defending a housewife in some way. Looking back, I shouldn't have said what I said, but I wasn't the only one saying it. That's what's really frustrating, you know.

[Justin]

Reality TV edit.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I know.

[Justin]

Can we talk about the boat?

[Wells Adams]

Let's talk about the boat.

[Justin]

What were you thinking on the boat? Because again, maybe, maybe it was edited. But what we saw as you guys getting the boat, everyone's rowing. You and Sierra are like manning the ship. I didn't even know why that job required two people in the first place. And then as the boat ride continues, all the women get kicked off the boat. All the guys are like, we need to be strong enough to row the boat. Meanwhile, you're still being like, row, row, row. And I'm like, wells, row, row the boat. Like, if I'm one of the people in the boat, I'm pissed at you for just yelling at me for two hours while not, not rowing the boat.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, that's because I guess you've never been on a Dragon boat probably before, so. So someone has been on one.

[Justin]

Someone explain it to me.

[Wells Adams]

So someone has to steer, like, So I was, I was like inter. I was in charge of the rudder.

[Justin]

Is that a physically demanding job?

[Wells Adams]

Well, if no one's doing that, then there's no. The boat doesn't go in the direction you want it to.

[Justin]

So that's why it's a two person job.

[Wells Adams]

Well, so this is, this is how it was explained to us. It was we need someone to steer the boat and then we need someone to like, yell out, row.

[Justin]

Ok. Explains it too.

[Wells Adams]

And I knew, I knew I was in trouble at that exact moment because, like, my plan going into the show was don't say anything. Basically what Dylan. Actually, Dylan's become very boisterous now he's talking. But in the beginning he was just like, I'm staying under the radar. And I was like, I'm gonna do that too. And we were kind of like an ally alliance in the beginning. And the second we get down to the dock, they're like, all right. Even production's like, this is what you have to do. You have. Someone needs to be the one yelling out. Someone needs to be steering. And then also, I think it was, like, a seat thing. Like, there wasn't enough seats for, like, Sierra to go sit in in row. I guess maybe that could have changed when she got out. But anyways, that's how it was explained. And immediately it. Everyone was like, wells, you're the loudest. You're the most opinionated. You're the leader. You get up there and you steer. And I was like, oh, damn it. Like, I'm five minutes into doing this show, and I've already up my plan of, like, going under the radar.

[Angie]

They're like, you're allowed. You're like, who said?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah? I was like, oh, no, no. So, okay, that explains that. Yeah. So I. And also, like, they did cut this, but there was a little bit of, like, toxic masculinity thing going on. Of, like, the weak women need to get off the boat and the strong men need to stay in row. And there was a little bit of, like, that's gross. And also, like, Nikki can, like, bench press me. She's much stronger than I am. So I was like, this is dumb. So there was a point where, as much as I wanted a shield, I felt bad, and I was like, hey, guys, if I'm not doing a good job of steering the boat, then I will get off. Like, I feel bad for all. For all the women that are, like, kind of getting thrown to the wolves. And everyone's like, shut up. We need you to steer. You're doing a great job. Just don't worry about it. We got it figured out down here.

[Justin]

And I'm like, oh, they turn to the bus there.

[Angie]

Okay, okay.

[Justin]

Okay. So I'm glad. Thank you for offering that context.

[Wells Adams]

Yes.

[Angie]

Did you watch ION SOB at home?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Angie]

About you leaving, like, were you, like, did you watch that with the rest of us, or did you know that she was that upset?

[Wells Adams]

Well, I know. We were really, like, she was my favorite. She might be my favorite person. No offense, Nick. She might be my favorite person I've ever met on an reality show.

[Justin]

I've never had the illusion that I was your favorite person.

[Wells Adams]

Well, top 10 for sure. But she was so, like, in a world full of just, like, vapid Just, you know, egocentric people. She was, like, the most lovely person I've ever met.

[Justin]

In 2017, she DM'd me and told me I was full of.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, I saw the video. And that makes me love her even more. That is the best. And then I saw that she, like. Like something, like, later or whatever.

[Justin]

Yeah. And I gave her a heads up that, like, we talked about it. I didn't want to, like, throw to the bus. And then she finally unsent them. I'm like, we've already done, you know.

[Wells Adams]

No, she was such, like, this amazing, like, light of, like, beauty, like, inside and out, too. She had no idea what game she was playing. My favorite thing was, is that we were riding, like, to the castle or whatever. You're in cars a lot when you're not filming, you know, and so a producer is reading her the rules so that she can sign, like, the rule, right? This needs to be done before we start filming. So if. If I'm Ian, you're me, and then you're the producer. Producers reading. And she's just looking at me being like, okay, so tell me about your wife. Look at that. Of your wife. Oh, my God. Modern Family. I love. Like, like. And so the producer's like, I. And you need to focus. You need to focus. And she's like, I got to do two things at once. She cannot do two things at once. She. The whole time she was like, wells, what is happening? What is happening? And I'm like, explaining her the rules. And her whole thing was she was like, my son thinks I'm going to be the first one killed. And so she was so pumped that she wasn't the first one killed, which was, like, so cute. But then she was like, the third one. And I'm like, no, dude.

[Justin]

Why? What were the traitors thinking again?

[Wells Adams]

I think that that was so. I think that what Bob the Drag Queen, his whole thing was he wanted chaos, which I do think that that's, like, a fun and, like, a good str. Strategy. But chaos also doesn't breed accusing people of murdering people. Right.

[Justin]

Like, chaos also implies no strategy.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, it's very true, in a way, with the. With the chaos of Dorinda being killed, like, it made no sense because we think. We all thought we were going to banish her the next day. So then it became this, like, mad dash of, like, who do we all kind of glob onto, which was unfortunately, yours truly. But the Iron One made no sense to me because you. You can't pin it on somebody like, this is why Ian would be killed, you know? And then also, there are a lot of really, really strong players in the game. And no offense to. I am, like, she's not, like, a strategical genius, you know, Like, I. I would have taken out, you know, like. Like a Wes long before now. I don't think actually he could have been up for murder, but you know what I'm saying, like, that's why it made no sense to me. And it also wasn't like, leading people down a path to blame someone else that wasn't a traitor.

[Justin]

Yeah. To your point, like traders or faithful, whoever they were, there's some clearly people in the cast that, like, self identify as, like, game players, strategic players. And you would think that you would just take them out first just to.

[Angie]

Be like, well, at least we got the game players out. Now all we have to deal with is housewives and bachelors.

[Justin]

Yeah. Like, if I'm. If I'm a. Yeah, if I'm a.

[Angie]

A.

[Justin]

If as a faithful, like, you're just like. Because at the end of the day, you're all competing against each other in a way. Right? So, like, you know, just take out. I mean, I guess. Unless you think Rob's a faithful. I don't know. I think you should take him out because eventually Rob's. Rob's gonna. Rob for Rob.

[Whitney]

Yep.

[Justin]

You know, so, like, I think you should just take out.

[Angie]

Well, I think that's what they realized, obviously, with this last.

[Justin]

I called that shit episode.

[Angie]

Him. Yeah. Them being like, how does he 100% know?

[Justin]

Yeah, last week I said. I said. I said I didn't think it was gonna happen literally the next episode, but I said, foster, Rob's going to backstab Bob the Drag Queen.

[Wells Adams]

And, yeah, I think that I. I don't know. I know him, but I don't know what's in his mind. But I. I think that he was getting frustrated with Bob, was not only kind of, like, running the round Table, he's also running the turret. And. And I think that he thought that the decisions that Bob the Dragoon was making was bad. And I think that Caroline kind of agreed with. With him in that respect. And I think for Rob's game, he was like, I need to get rid of this guy because I want to have control over the turret. And I think that, like, strategically, I'm a better game player than he is. And I would agree with that. I just think that he showed his hand a little too early because Dylan was already wanting to go down that route. And then he, like, really, like, globbed on.

[Justin]

How do you think Boston Rob gets out of the target he's put on himself?

[Wells Adams]

I. I don't know how he gets out of it, but I don't know if enough people, like, they're all sitting in the bar and they're. And you, Wes, makes the genius point of like, how do you 100% know? You know? And so then everyone's like, it takes everyone a while. And the person who figures it out, like, answers the question is Tom Sandoval, which I love. And he's like. Because he's a traitor.

[Justin]

And he's like, yeah, you know, broken clocks, right? Twice a day.

[Wells Adams]

Well, that's the thing. Tom accused everyone of being a traitor, which was wonderful. Then that was one of the things that frustrated me the most about the roundtable of which I was banished was that Tom went on like a, you know, a 20 minute diatribe about Chrishell. And like, you know, he's like, I could tell from the way that she took off her thing, she said. And I remember being like, dude, shut up, man. They're gonna kill me. No one cares about Chris, Shell. No one thinks this is. I was like, dude, stop talking. Let me defend myself. Or defend me. I. I guess. But yeah, he would. He was throwing a lot of spaghetti at the wall.

[Justin]

Tom is going to go decently far because he's not a threat to anyone.

[Wells Adams]

But that's what I thought about Ian too.

[Justin]

That's a good point. You know, it doesn't make sense why she got voted out. I. It's weird, though. I do think maybe it's a criticism of Bachelor Nation, but the other franchises, like the Housewives, Survivor, Big Brother, they protect their own. And I feel like Bachelor Nation, we're all in it for ourselves. I don't think there's any. I don't. Were you and Gabby, like, did she.

[Angie]

Vote for you at the round? She didn't.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Wells Adams]

No. I was friends with the girls. I was the Bambies.

[Justin]

Because I was like, Gabby's in the group.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah. Because from. On the way back from the dragon boat race, we were all in the same car.

[Justin]

The Bambies.

[Wells Adams]

The b. Yeah.

[Justin]

What a name to give yourself.

[Wells Adams]

I know. Chef's Kiss.

[Justin]

So Sixpack Bros. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

They were like.

[Justin]

Cuz.

[Wells Adams]

Cuz I had said, like, if you guys want me to get out, I will. I don't want to, but, like, I'll get out just to make it fair. Care that like, also, like, I'm not doing anything. And I remember Gabby being like, you're an ally. And I was like, yes, yes, I am.

[Justin]

Do you think that comment of, like, I'll get out, but I don't want to was seen as, like, you trying to, like, no, no.

[Wells Adams]

Because I was very much like, I do not want to do this, please, but.

[Justin]

And so what do you think ultimately caused you to have the target on your back, other than, like, people saying, oh, you're the most outspoken, blah, blah, blah. Oh, no, it doesn't make you a traitor.

[Wells Adams]

I have. I think it's two things. Things? Well, I think it's a bunch of things, but I think that me saying to Robin and Sam, I thought it was a dumb move to kill Dorinda, and then her getting defensive, and then me feeling very weirded out by that. I was like. Because in my mind, I'm like, okay, you're getting really defensive of me saying it was a dumb move. Surely you're not a traitor and dumb enough to show that. That me saying a trader's move is stupid would. Would affect you.

[Angie]

Like, yeah.

[Justin]

Did you say that at the round table?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I did.

[Justin]

Because that's a good argument. Argument.

[Whitney]

Can I ask you, how long is the roundtable session? And then also, what did you say to defend yourself that we didn't get to see on television?

[Wells Adams]

Okay. A maybe an hour and a half.

[Whitney]

Really?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

It's really long.

[Whitney]

Okay. Was not expecting that.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, they cut out a lot. Like, I. I fought, like, five minutes. I know. I. I fought a lot of people. I fought Tony a good bit. My thing was, is that he had come and said something to the effect of right after the touching of the shoulders. Who does everyone think is a trader? And I was like, well, I want to go backwards. I want to go ex out people who I do not think are traders, and then hone it down and then figure it out from there. Because I was like, ian, definitely not a trader. Tom Sandoval, worst casting decision in the world to make the biggest villain in America a villain again. Yeah, of course. I was like, not a traitor. You know, like, me, not a trader. Dylan Nephron. No, you know, like, I was, like, doing that, and he was like, that's real traitorous way of thinking. And I was like, tony, you're a cop. Isn't the number one thing to X out, like, who has alibis in a murder case? Like, what are you talking about?

[Justin]

Also, you should have probably said, like, well, if you vote me off, like, you're going to look really like not a good cop.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So, okay, so the first question was, how long does it go?

[Whitney]

And then what did you say to defend yourself that we didn't get to see?

[Wells Adams]

Okay, so the truth of the matter is, is that that the next mission that we had was the three guys in the bird cages, and we were all running around trying to get coins to bring them down. I thought that I had a target on my back from the traders because I said that the. That their move was stupid. And so I really wanted to get a shield, but then I had, like, a whole plan. And we can go into the plan in a second, but everyone was getting down Boston Rob, and then people were getting down Derek, and no one was getting down Wes. And I was. Was like, I'm a huge fan of the challenge. And I also, like, just know if you kind of, like, attach your wagon to either Wes or CT or Johnny Bananas in the challenge, you kind of get. You can kind of ride that to the end. So I was like, wes, you're my boy. I'm getting you down. And what they didn't really show was, I would say, like, 90 of the coins that were got for Wes was from me. And so it was Dylan and I who were just, like, doing wind sprints up and down this thing. People. People kind of, like, quit on it, and we're, like, not trying to get coins as much once we got two guys down.

[Angie]

You're good at untying knots.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, the knots one was annoying, but the one that was the hardest, you know, kind of sprint up a hill and then, like, throw. They didn't show all of them, but you had to throw rocks at these bags to knock them down and then run back down. And so no one wanted to do that because you had to run up this hill. So it ended up being Dylan and I were the only ones running up and down the hill anyway. So I get him down, and I'm, like, healed over, like, cannot catch my breath. At the end of it, we had to, like, stop and, like, wait for me to catch my breath before we, like, continued filming. So my one. One of my arguments was, is, like, I think I'm going to be killed by a traitor. I worked so hard to get Wes down. Why would I be running like this if I didn't care? And then they didn't show this part. But Wes chimes in. He's like, it's true. Wells got me down. Like, he was running really, really hard. I think if he was a traitor, he probably wouldn't have been, like, going, that balls the Wall. So that was one of my arguments. I don't know.

[Angie]

Do you feel like they just didn't have anyone else? Like.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, for sure. Because it was supposed to be Dorinda. Yeah, because what happened with Dorinda was she was the first one off the boat. Right. And so the implication is, is that if you get off the boat on the pontoon, you don't care about immunity because you're a traitor. Right. Like, you don't have to worry about sleeping tonight. I don't know if they thought about that. We were really early in the game, but she was the first one off. And then, like, the way that they did the show, which was brilliant, you know, they make them stay out there, they make them cold. They make all of us go back, get in our nice, you know, clothes, feed us really well, then they bring them. We all thought they were going to go home, you know, like, be done with the day of film filming. And then they come in, and so they're so angry, which I totally get. And I remember Dorindo was like, you couldn't wait to eat the food.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

We're like. I remember straight up, I was like, dude, just tell Crafty to get more. What are we talking about here? Like, they told us to eat. You know, we just. We're just doing what we're told. I remember yelling out to production. I was like, can we get her a hot plate? Like, what are we doing? Because it was, like, cold by that time. But it was, you know, good. Good producing, but so then she goes in and she starts going crazy, like at. At Iver. Because Ivor was the one was like, the weak women need to get off the boat.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

The old. The old Lord. And so we all were like, whoa, this is a lot. I remember being like, so is this what Housewives is? Because I'm never going on that show. Because she was just going nuts. And afterwards, we were, like. Seemed like a little much, right? Like a little over the top. And everyone's like, yeah, she was the first one out of the boat. She was, like, nuts on us for, like, you know, what are we going to do?

[Justin]

We.

[Wells Adams]

We got back here, they told us put the clothes on. They told us to eat the food. And so everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's definitely traitor. So then by the time that the round table happened, I think no one had any concrete evidence. And what ended up happening was that Ron Robin. Because I said, I think it was a dumb thing, and then she got defensive of it, and then I was like. Like, I walked out of the room. She was like, that's. You're acting weird. I think Bob grabbed onto that and was like, this would be a good opportunity to get Wells out. And I. I don't know if this is true. It'll be fun to go do, like, the after show and, like, figure out what their thoughts were, because the person that knocks me out is the. It's the deciding vote is Carolyn, who is a true traitor. So I wonder if they were like, if we have an opportunity to knock Wells out, let's do that over Robin, who. That's My campaign was against her, effectively.

[Justin]

I mean, that makes sense. I mean, like, even, like this episode, I thought, like, Bob wasted his own vote. It ended up not mattering. But early on, Bob voted against. Who was it? Bob, the drag queen?

[Angie]

Rob. He went back to Rob. Everyone was doing Sierra.

[Justin]

It's like, yeah, like, vote for Sierra, even if you don't think it's Sierra because, like, she's your biggest competition. And like, he wasted his own vote on just being petty.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I made a mistake because they.

[Justin]

Yeah, who did you vote for?

[Wells Adams]

I voted for Robin, but I made the mistake that I made was they said you said that it was a dumb move who got upset. And I was like, robin, because she's the one who says it out loud, like, at the round table. And they're like, who else? And I was like, sam, because that was the truth. I should never have said Sam because the second I said Sam, Sam was like, well, I'm with. For Wells now. And so that was the. I think the thing that's. That screwed me over.

[Justin]

I think that's the part you realize I'm watching it is like, you. You know, it's just like, you have to be mindful of that because especially around the round table, people will, like, vote out of pettiness or just to get back at you. And you have to, like, kind of count votes because that seems to.

[Wells Adams]

It's also an easy way to. To argue it because when you. When you make your. Your vote, they don't always show it, but when you make your vote and you have to show it, you have to kind of say why? And so it's. It's a really, really. It's a such a easy way out of being like, did you said my name? I don't like that.

[Justin]

That's.

[Wells Adams]

That's on you instead of like, I think it's Sierra because she was cussing in the coffin or whatever.

[Angie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So, yeah, it's a. I made a lot of bad decisions.

[Justin]

There's a lot of talk about Tom Sandoval. Do you toxing?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I don't know about that. He was sweating a lot that one day.

[Angie]

So sweaty, wearing that great T shirt.

[Wells Adams]

I think he just runs hot, dude. I think that, like, he just.

[Angie]

Isn't he, like, a little glitchy, like, twitching?

[Justin]

He.

[Wells Adams]

He just doesn't stop. Like, he's always talking. He's always.

[Angie]

I mean, you know that he definitely.

[Justin]

Has a high motor.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, he, like, it's kind of impressive. Oh, the other thing that I think. So I talked about this somewhere. Somewhere else. But what Robin says was, is something. The effect of, like, after Alan went around and touched everyone, I noticed that you were different. And I was like, I don't think I was different. But we had only ever been around each other on camera during that time. And then after that, then there becomes a lot of, like, the hurry up and wait of making a television show, which is like, your favorite filming film. And then you're not. Shut up. Right. And, you know, I am someone who, like, when I'm filming a television show, if, like, the cameras aren't on, I'm not doing anything. Like, I'm hanging out. I'm trying to, like, keep my energy level at, like, a baseline. One, because I don't want to waste, like, good jokes or, like, funny sound bites when nothing's happening. And two, like, they are really, really long days. And it's funny funny because, like, you know, she's a housewife. That's one thing I noticed with the Housewives. I was like, oh, my God, you guys never stop. This is all you got. This is. This is who you are, which is amazing. That's why those TV shows are so great. But I was like, I wouldn't have the bandwidth to be able to do this all day long. And so my theory. I haven't talked to her, to Robin, but my theory is, is that she saw I was much different when the cameras were on than when the cameras are off. And she was like, that's trader trader mentality or whatever.

[Justin]

Well, you campaign to try to go back either next season?

[Wells Adams]

No.

[Justin]

You're done.

[Wells Adams]

No desire to go back on the show.

[Justin]

Why?

[Wells Adams]

Well, I just. I don't. I'm not good at competition shows. I got eighth on the Bachelorette. I got 22nd on this one.

[Justin]

Bachelor's about love.

[Wells Adams]

That's true. No, I don't know.

[Angie]

I think that you've gotten first at on bartender.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. You won Worst Cooks I did win worst cooks, but also. Is that a win?

[Whitney]

That's a competition. You're the best worst cook in my life.

[Wells Adams]

Johnny Banana.

[Justin]

How is the food there?

[Wells Adams]

Terrible.

[Justin]

I mean, my big concern.

[Wells Adams]

Well, you should do the show.

[Justin]

Yeah, they've asked, but, like, it's been tough with this show and it be.

[Wells Adams]

Fun to try, but like, I. It'd be interesting to see how you do because you are super cerebral.

[Justin]

I could see my. Myself being first out. I could see myself, you know, because that's the thing. It's just, you know, it depends who else they cast. We've talked some about some people on reality tv.

[Wells Adams]

Great television then right there.

[Justin]

Listen.

[Angie]

Yeah, I mean, everyone just like being like, you called me this, you said this about me.

[Justin]

It really depends how. Yeah, it, It. It could go either way. And I think, yeah, to your point, it's. There's gamesmanship, but there's a lot of things outside of your control. You know, like, Johnny Bananas was the first one out last season. Like, I, I think he probably would have been an excellent player had he just, you know, and I think that made sense when I watching it because he comes from the challenge. He's been very successful, like a Dorinda. I didn't. That didn't make sense. Johnny Bananas. Let's just get a strong player out immediately, no matter what. That, like, that made total sense.

[Angie]

Did you talk to anyone before you went and filmed from last season?

[Wells Adams]

No. It's funny, though, because I thought for sure it was going to be Johnny Bananas who was. Was the person that they, like Derobe in the first episode. And like, I love Johnny. I've known him now for years. And if it was him, I would have been like, I'll get you. You can come in the game. I'll kill somebody here. I love Johnny Banana. But then when it was Rob, I was like, Everyone was like, oh. And I turned to Dylan.

[Justin]

I'm like, who is that?

[Wells Adams]

He's like, that's from their. From Survivor. And I was like, oh, yeah, I don't watch that show. But yeah, if it would have been Johnny, I would have gotten him in the game.

[Angie]

Or would that have given you a shield or, like, immediate.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, but then it puts a target on your back because you kill somebody right then and there.

[Angie]

Right.

[Wells Adams]

Which I think that if they had done it, it would have. It would have been moot because that person would have come back in that bird house the next day, you know, and then they would have been angry at whoever did it. Yeah, I could see how it was all. It was all planned out. Great.

[Justin]

That's crazy. First out, I thought you would have been a good trader.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. That was a. I'm a producer.

[Justin]

I'm picking you as a traitor. Of course, then you would have been identified anyways.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, they would have been right about that. But then I wouldn't have had like Bob the Drag Queen and, you know, Carolyn. Two traders vote for me.

[Angie]

That's true. They would have like rallied with you.

[Justin]

Yeah, that is interesting. Yeah. But maybe that's why you got voted out. Cuz like, you, you know, the nice guy and like.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I had this whole plan. I had this. I was going to set this trap. All like, pilot it. Pete. So after the second mission, I go talk to Wes and I'm like, I got your ass down. And he's like, you're getting my shield. And I was like, hell yeah. And then I pull. This is like this. I should have been politicking for myself before the round table. Right before the round table. I pull. I aside. And I was like, I'm getting the shield, but I want you to say you got the shield and I'll back that up. And I think I can get Wes to say that as well. So that means that you'll be safe tonight from banishment because. Because they think that you have a shield. And that means that I'll be safe from banishment because I actually have the shield. And then if no one gets murdered tonight, then we'll know that they were trying to kill me. And then we got to figure out who would want me out. And then at the time I thought it was Robin and I was like, yeah, she. She'd want me out of there because I went so hard at her earlier that day. So that was my plan, but I never got there. So.

[Angie]

I mean, Robin has the worst read on everyone. She says it's like, what? Really?

[Justin]

Okay. Exactly. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

No, Dylan, Dylan. It's so funny, cuz Ian actually called Bob the Drag Queen and I was like, really? It's a little too on the nose because it's hard to say.

[Justin]

It's obvious as a viewer.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Justin]

You know, but yeah, like, I remember.

[Wells Adams]

Thinking it was a little bit on the nose of like, the biggest, loudest person in the house is going to be a traitor. But Ian was very much like, I think he's a true traitor. I don't trust him. And it was funny too, because he says something like. He says something that really hurt my feelings. He said that I'VE been really standoffish to him, and that wasn't true at all.

[Justin]

It's like, I've been here for a day.

[Wells Adams]

Well, and the reason why it was he was the person I tried the hardest with. For these reasons. He does a podcast with Monet Exchange, of whom went to high school with my wife. He's on RuPaul's Drag Race, of which my wife was a judge. And then Sarah was taking over on Little Shop of Horrors from Jinx Monsoon, who was on RuPaul's Drag Race, of whom I had just hung out with multiple nights in New York and was like, this is the coolest person I've ever met. So I was. I was. At every opportunity, I went up to Bob being like, okay, I got.

[Angie]

We can connect.

[Wells Adams]

I got another thing to talk to you about. Like, I know I'm a CIS white, like, straight male, but, like, I have. I know we have the same friend. Like, I know. And when he said that, I was.

[Justin]

Like, he's just projecting on you.

[Wells Adams]

Well, when he said that, I was like, I know that's not true.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Did you call him out?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So they cut that out, too. But I was like, what do you talk. I said those exact things. I was like, X, Y, Z. I have tried to talk to you, and you've, like, shut me down. And I was. At the time, I was like, I will concede I'm not everyone's cup of tea. Like, that's fine. But to say that, like, I haven't been trying with you, that's not true. And then I remember it right after. After I get banished, you know, I'm pissed off, but I'm like, robin's a traitor. And I was like, and Bob's a liar. So he. He made that up. And ipsof, he's a traitor. And I think that Dylan saw that, because all the things that I said about that, you know, everyone heard. Dylan was like, you let it. Well, said that you were lying about that. And then there are people who are like, yeah, I was in the car when you were talking. When he was talking to you about this. So anyways, I wish I had, like, used my intuition more.

[Angie]

What was that phone call like with Sarah when you left?

[Justin]

Like, you had fired from a job.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Justin]

She's like.

[Wells Adams]

What? Yeah.

[Justin]

I don't think it's possible on that show, though. I think it's crazy.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, it's. You know, it's weird because you get to call your family during. Yeah. But someone's, like, in the room to, like, make sure that you don't say anything. Sarah's, like, trying to do, like, sign.

[Justin]

Language, you know, like, you're FaceTiming.

[Angie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Angie]

That's funny.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Justin]

It's good to see you. Anyone else? What else is going on in your life?

[Wells Adams]

I don't know. Nothing. Sarah's. I'll promote my wife. She's gonna be Daisy Buchanan on. On Broadway. And in. In the Great Gatsby. It is. I saw the show beforehand when she was doing Little Shop.

[Justin]

It hasn't started yet.

[Wells Adams]

Her run starts February 10th, and she goes through this, like, the summer. So you've got.

[Angie]

Oh, wow.

[Whitney]

I'm gonna need some time off.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Justin]

We might go out there. Was it like the 7th, 8th, or 9th or something? Is that a Monday?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, Monday's a Tuesday.

[Whitney]

I think it's pretty positive. Her schedule starts on. On Monday.

[Wells Adams]

No, she's on on Mondays.

[Whitney]

Who knows her better?

[Wells Adams]

It is.

[Whitney]

Ten is a Monday.

[Angie]

Who knows her better, her best friend or her husband?

[Wells Adams]

What is today?

[Whitney]

Monday?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, so she's off today. So. Okay, What. Whatever. It's February 10th. Hold on, let me look at my calendar. Maybe it's 11. I was gonna say this is.

[Whitney]

If she's off on Mondays, then it's the 11th.

[Justin]

Early Feb, guys.

[Angie]

Early Feb. For sure.

[Wells Adams]

Early Feb. Yeah, you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe Tuesday she's up. It doesn't.

[Whitney]

She's still in rehearsals right now, so maybe she's just off.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, maybe.

[Justin]

Maybe rehearsal. Off. What the. Do I know about.

[Wells Adams]

No, because it's got to. You got to be off the same day as in rehearsals because they have to have the actors come and do it with them, and they wouldn't make them have to work on their day off.

[Justin]

What. What does a. What does a husband do when his wife's living abroad?

[Wells Adams]

Making out with a different guy on stage every night. That damn Jay Gatsby. What do I do? I don't do anything. I. Oh, your wife.

[Justin]

I thought you were, like. You were making out.

[Whitney]

No, he's making out with a different guy every night.

[Wells Adams]

I'm making out with a weird way.

[Justin]

To pass the time, but okay.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I'm hanging with Boo. I. We've got. There's a bunch of things that I have coming up that I can't talk about but are really exciting. And I'm supposed to go to Orlando to go hang out with Benjamin Higgins and Joey Graziani.

[Angie]

Grazadi.

[Wells Adams]

Italian. Last name.

[Justin]

Golfing.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, we're doing this LPGA event. So I've got that coming up, and it's about it.

[Justin]

It's good to see you, man.

[Wells Adams]

You too. I've missed you guys.

[Angie]

Miss you.

[Justin]

We're here every week.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I know.

[Angie]

You know where we live.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, Yeah. I see her all the time, so this is not that exciting.

[Whitney]

It's okay.

[Wells Adams]

Thanks for having me. I'm sorry I didn't do better. I'm, like, embarrassed.

[Justin]

We're okay with it.

[Wells Adams]

That's okay. Good.

[Whitney]

We were rooting for you, and we were all pissed when you got voted off.

[Wells Adams]

I was, too.

[Whitney]

We were like, what the.

[Wells Adams]

I was so angry, so mad. Well, because everyone's like, we're going to be the first season to get a traitor out first. Like, that's what everyone said. And I'm like, like, yeah, let's. That's a good idea. Let's do that. And then they get me and I'm like, what?

[Angie]

Guys getting close. Oh, my gosh.

[Wells Adams]

I should have to your point earlier. I should have said to Alan, I want to be a trader. Because then you at least you're like, control of your own destiny. Yeah, but I didn't do that because I didn't care.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I was, like, indifferent. I was like, I'd be a good trader, but I think I'd be a better faithful. I'm good at reading people, so I don't know. Hindsight's 20 20. I did. I. Every move that was bad, I made. Calamity of errors.

[Justin]

It's only a game. My memoir, which is something that fans sometimes seem to forget about with this. With this. With this show.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Justin]

They get real tense.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Because it's weird because it's questioning people's, like, integrity, which is something that. That people take very, very seriously.

[Justin]

True. You know, especially if it's like lying in Bachelor Nation is worse than murder.

[Wells Adams]

No, I know. Yeah. The whole. The whole thing is like, being there for the wrong if you're a traitor. And so that's. That's a hard thing. That was the thing that annoyed me the most. I didn't care what the money. I didn't care about getting kicked off, the embarrassment of, like, being out early. What hurt my feelings was someone said something about me that I didn't think was true.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

But anyways, priorities.

[Justin]

You're still number one in our hearts.

[Wells Adams]

Thanks. 33 in the field. Number one in our hearts.

[Justin]

Good talking to you.

[Wells Adams]

See you guys.

[Justin]

All right, up Next, you know Ms. Christopher from Sopranos. He's also in season two of White Lotus. He Played the sex addicted dad. Michael Imperioli is with us next. Michael.

[Tom Sandoval]

Hi.

[Justin]

How's it going?

[Tom Sandoval]

Okay. How are you?

[Justin]

We're doing great, man.

[Angie]

We're so excited to have you. We're such big fans.

[Tom Sandoval]

Thank you very much.

[Justin]

So what's new in your world, man?

[Tom Sandoval]

Well, I just played a couple of concerts with my band this last week in Washington D.C. philadelphia and New York. And then we have another one next week that's a benefit for the relief, you know, for the victims of the fires in Los Angeles here in New York City.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's terrible. Do you. We certainly know a lot of people. Thankfully, we were okay. We know a lot of people who sadly were affected. Did. Do you have any friends that.

[Tom Sandoval]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Several. You know, it's unimaginable tragedy.

[Justin]

We really big fans of White Lotus here on this show. We really, really enjoyed you in season two. What was that experience like?

[Tom Sandoval]

It was a just incredible experience on every level, both in terms of the production and being there just as a. As a visitor to Sicily and being there in. In those amazing cities in Sicily and as an actor, the material and the cast and Mike White, who directed everything and wrote everything, it was pretty much a dream gig for me because I love being in Italy and working there is really, really fun and exciting.

[Justin]

How long is filming that? How much time?

[Tom Sandoval]

Four months.

[Justin]

Four months. Okay.

[Tom Sandoval]

I wish it was longer.

[Justin]

Yeah. Do you. Obviously was such a large ensemble cast. Did you get to interact with all of your cast mates or get to know some more than others because, you know, with different scenes, you know, sometimes you're not working with people. Or is it more like a family atmosphere with the entire cast?

[Tom Sandoval]

I definitely got to know the. The actors that I worked most closely with. Bess. But we spent a lot of time together as a. As a group because we were all living in the hotel where we were shooting most of the show, and the hotel was closed. So it was just the cast and crew and the hotel staff in this, you know, beautiful hotel. So we had dinners together and, you know, some parties and, you know, got to spend a lot of time wandering around the streets there. And it was a really lovely vibe among the cast and crew.

[Justin]

That's great. So much about White Lotus is like, you know, who's the one who got murdered? Did you guys. When you get the script, is that part kept private from you guys? I don't. I don't know if that was the same with Sopranos at the end. Did you guys know about the ending prior to it happening or how did that all play out?

[Tom Sandoval]

Yeah, we knew, but we were definitely sworn to secrecy. That's how it was on the Sopranos as well. Like, we all knew what was going on, but it was really important to everybody. It's just more fun that the audience can get surprised. We kept it a secret as much as we could.

[Justin]

Did. Did Tony Soprano die at the end?

[Tom Sandoval]

I think so.

[Justin]

You think so? Okay.

[Tom Sandoval]

I've always thought that. Yeah.

[Angie]

Are you the type of actor that likes to watch your work back, or are you like, I don't care. I don't need to see it. I don't want to watch myself.

[Tom Sandoval]

I usually watch it once, which is enough. Maybe more than enough. Less and less over the years do I enjoy it just gets me in my head a little bit too much. It's a little better if it's been done for a while and I can see it. I don't like watching Playback on the set, which some people do, and they. They find it very helpful for their performance. I don't find it helpful, so I. I avoid it. I just get in my head and get. Start focusing on the wrong things. I kind of pretend that nobody's gonna see it except the crew and the other actors. I kind of live in a little bit of a fantasy. Fantasy world that millions of people aren't going to be watching this in a couple of months.

[Angie]

That's probably smart. I bet it would be easy to be a bit of a perfectionist in that, you know, if you keep watching Playback, like, I can do it better than that. I can do it better.

[Tom Sandoval]

Yeah, something like that. Or like, it's also really hard to be objective, like, are my choices working or not? It's. It's really hard for me to know what's being communicated. So you have to really leave that up to the director.

[Justin]

Yeah. Is it. It's just easier for you to just kind of trust the director and let them lead and just kind of. You do your thing and.

[Tom Sandoval]

Yeah, much, much, much easier for me to turn that over to the director. And then I just focus on trying to do the best within the takes rather than judging the last take and stuff and, you know, let them adjust and make adjustments.

[Justin]

Did you ever see Mike on Survivor?

[Tom Sandoval]

No, I never watched him. No. But he brought some of the people he did Survivor with. They did some background work in Sicily. He keeps, I guess, in contact with them, and he's friends with a lot of them, and they visited the set in Italy.

[Justin]

Oh, that's really cool. Who do keep in close contact with from that cast.

[Tom Sandoval]

Well, Murray Abraham has become one of my closest friends, to be honest. I mean, he lives in New York, as do I, so we see each other quite often, and our families have kind of become friends as well. And Adam DeMarco played my son I keep in touch with. I just saw him a couple of months ago when he visited New York. Sabrina in Paciatore, I keep in touch with. And Simona Tobacco, Bosco a good bit. But once in a while, I hear from, you know, quite a bunch of them. So I have really fond memories of it all and. And. And have formed some good friendships.

[Angie]

Do you feel like White Lotus has changed the way that you look or view traveling? Do you have any sort of, like, what if.

[Tom Sandoval]

You know, I mean, to be honest, shooting in a place like that really can spoil you, because having this suite overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, you know, because we were living there, so you're kind of experiencing a bit of that as well. And it was very exclusive because the place was closed, yet there was this whole staff in the hotel working there also. The town itself is a seasonal, mostly a summer resort town, and we got there at the end of February. So for the first couple of months, the town itself was very quiet. So the restaurants and bars and little shops that we went to, they all knew who we were and what we were doing there. So there was a bit of exclusivity to that, too. And that was really, you know, to have that connection to the people in the town as well.

[Angie]

Yeah, that is cool.

[Justin]

Talk to us about the restoration of Girlstown.

[Tom Sandoval]

Well, this was a, you know, a movie that we did in the 90s, you know, kind of the height of American independent cinema, you know, and really the beginning of the Sundance generation of Films. Jim McKay is the director, and Lily Taylor, who was one of the stars.

[Justin]

We.

[Tom Sandoval]

We were a part of a theater company, and it's done some, you know, independent off off Broadway theater that our friend Tom Gilroy was writing, and we were producing stuff together. And this kind of came out of that vibe and that community. You know, the important thing about this restoration and re release of the movie in place, like IFC showing it, is that a lot of these movies, because nobody really makes or has DVDs anymore. I mean, very few people do. And if they're not on the streamers, you can't find these movies.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Tom Sandoval]

If they're not making new DVDs, and if you're not a collector who has them, you know, the streamers have a limited amount of movies that they Keep a lot of these movies that were made back then, you can't get them, you can't see them, you can't find them. And I think this one is a pretty important one because it's really a precursor to the whole MeToo movement way before that actually happened, you know.

[Justin]

Yeah, that's. That's awesome. And you make such a great point about so many great films or movies aren't. Aren't available. One of the greater movies that you were in, Goodfellas, I watch it all the time. It's one of my rewatches. Watchables is that. Do you still fall into the category of you don't watch your work or is that a film? Because, like, that's one of those things that's like on constantly on tv. Every once in a while during the holidays, you know, you'll find it playing. Does that bring you back or do you still avoid that one as well?

[Tom Sandoval]

That's a little easier because it's so long ago. It's like another lifetime ago. But I do tend to avoid it. I kind of have this game with myself. Nobody really sees what I do. Kind of of silly, but I guess it makes it a little bit easier to go in front of the camera all the time. I don't.

[Justin]

You've worked with some legendary actors. Has anyone been like a role model for you or who. Who's had the. The biggest impression on your career from having the opportunity to work with them, from actually working.

[Tom Sandoval]

You know, De Niro was a big influence. I was such a big fan. And then when I got an opportunity to work with him, them so early in my career, I obviously was watching him very closely. And, you know, what I learned from him was how to economize, not dissipate your energy with distraction. Because shooting a movie are long hours and you're on set for a long time and there's a lot of distractions. And then we're rolling. Everything has to be concentrated. It and, you know, intensified into this little moment that you're creating. And you may have some important close up in some really important scene in hour 13 of the day, so you better have something in the tank. And I watched him, you know, make sure that. And. And I kept that. Definitely kept that with me. But just as a fan or as, you know, a wannabe actor when I was young, Al Pacino definitely was a big inspiration with just what he brought to the screen, what he brought to his characters, and, you know, the, the honesty that he brought to his roles and the depth that really touched me. Made me want to be an actor.

[Justin]

That's very cool. It's super cool to talk with you, man. And very excited to see Girls Town restored and. And anything else you want to plug before we let you go?

[Tom Sandoval]

Just the benefit, which is next Tuesday, January 28, at Bowery Electric in New York City, which, you know, there's a bunch of New York bands playing, and the money's all going to, you know, to help the victims of the LA fires. So you can go to Barry Electric's website and get tickets if you want.

[Justin]

Awesome.

[Angie]

Really quickly, do you think Nick looks like Theo James?

[Tom Sandoval]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Right.

[Tom Sandoval]

I see that.

[Angie]

I know he's turning red.

[Tom Sandoval]

I see that a lot. You could play his brother.

[Heather]

White Lotus season four.

[Justin]

Yeah, I got. When it was airing, I. I got a lot of those.

[Tom Sandoval]

You got a lot of that, right?

[Justin]

A lot of that. So I didn't quite see it, but I'll take it. You know, he's a handsome fellow.

[Tom Sandoval]

You got to work on your British accent.

[Justin]

Yeah, I'll. I'll do that.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Justin]

All right. Michael, really appreciate your time. Appreciate you. And talk soon.

[Tom Sandoval]

Thanks for having me.

[Justin]

Take care.

[Angie]

Bye.

[Justin]

Bye.

[Angie]

So cool.

[Whitney]

Can you do a brick British accent?

[Justin]

Hello, mate. I'm British.

[Angie]

Oh, my God.

[Justin]

All right, let's. Time to get in some Salt Lake finale.

[Whitney]

Best franchise. Sorry.

[Justin]

It's good. It is good. But Lisa's such a hypocrite.

[Whitney]

Oh, well, tell us how you really feel.

[Justin]

Words. It's not even an opinion. This is a fact. Like, first of all, I mean, vicious, vicious game.

[Angie]

I feel like Heather never has good ideas with games at these.

[Heather]

It's giving Saw trap by.

[Justin]

Not good.

[Whitney]

It was brilliant.

[Justin]

It was awesome. I mean, clearly, it seemed like Heather went to the producers. Yes. And said, I have a great dirty idea. Or maybe they had an idea. Heather has made it very clear that she is a producer pet.

[Angie]

She does her job.

[Justin]

She does her job.

[Whitney]

She's.

[Angie]

We're thankful for that.

[Justin]

Nope. That's not a criticism. It's just an observation.

[Whitney]

No. When she said, we're gonna read the worst text message about another person at this table, I'm just like, audibly out loud being like, you're doing what? Like, I was, like, talking to the tv.

[Angie]

I was like, yeah.

[Justin]

What I loved about this game, it. It revealed who the real housewives are.

[Whitney]

Right.

[Justin]

And who the fake Real housewives are.

[Heather]

Yep.

[Justin]

And Mary played. Brawin played. Heather played. Angie played. And on Whitney. Whitney play. Whitney. Whitney played. Played. Yeah.

[Heather]

Whitney won.

[Justin]

Whitney went. That was. You could argue that was a little dirty.

[Whitney]

A little.

[Angie]

It definitely was dirty.

[Justin]

It was unnecessary.

[Angie]

She's good.

[Heather]

It was scrappy.

[Whitney]

But my question is, do you think that Whitney knew that Lisa was gonna have to open up and, like, zoom in for every word, that she wasn't gonna see what the actual text message said before she read it out loud?

[Justin]

It's like. Like, is. Is Lisa.

[Angie]

Brittany had to do that, too.

[Whitney]

She was just like. And my. And then she what? She made out and my husband did what? Like, it was just like, every word for word that I was like, oh, my God. If you would have zoomed out and just read it, you would have known.

[Heather]

So I was at a party with Justin. Yeah.

[Justin]

And then what? So Lisa and Meredith literally didn't even play. You knew she didn't want to. And then basically performed her anger and. And stormed off chasing Lisa. I mean, just so she didn't have. Just so she didn't have to read her nasty comments, which we'll never know. What.

[Whitney]

What was said.

[Justin]

What was said.

[Heather]

I know.

[Justin]

I'm sure it would have been just a lady Lisa, where it was like, a nothing burger. Like, really? That's the worst thing you've ever said about anyone, Lisa.

[Angie]

I mean, Britney's being like, I want to invite Bronwyn instead of Mary. And she's like, I did a search. Yeah, you searched. Meanest thing about.

[Whitney]

Like, this is the meanest thing I've said about you.

[Justin]

I don't totally believe that's a meanest thing.

[Angie]

No.

[Justin]

But I'm willing to believe it's possible.

[Heather]

No Mary going, I agree.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

But Lisa spreads rumors. That's Lisa's thing to spread rumors. Rumors. She spreads rum rumors about people, Their husbands, their partners.

[Angie]

I mean, I think that's why. That's why it was so easy for her to, like, so easily flip the script onto Angie and be like, see, Angie, what if I would have said this about your husband? And it's like, you're doing the exact same thing that Whitney just did to you.

[Heather]

I heard that Sean does circle jerks. How does that feel?

[Angie]

Like, that's a crazy sentence.

[Justin]

Yeah. And it wasn't like, an example. She was like, this is a rumor I've heard now. How do you feel?

[Angie]

Yeah, it wasn't like a what if, like, someone was like, I saw Sean at the grocery store. She's. Okay.

[Whitney]

Whitney's just trying, like. I mean, also, Whitney is playing very dirty, but she is trying to confess that, like, the terrible things that she said about you is about your marriage.

[Angie]

That is spreading Rumors.

[Whitney]

Spreading rumors. Exactly. That's the game.

[Justin]

It was Heather's game.

[Heather]

It was Heather's game.

[Whitney]

She played by the rules.

[Justin]

And. And yes, it is also very mean.

[Angie]

And Angie's to Bronwyn was also about her marriage and was also super mean.

[Whitney]

The one foot in the grave, one.

[Heather]

Foot on the front of the banana peel. Oh, she's already crying.

[Angie]

No. Yeah, that was really, really bad. It felt so bad. But the way that Bronwyn was able to be like, okay, like, if this. You don't have to explain yourself. If that's how you felt in that moment, that's how you felt like, this is what this game is. We're squashing it. We're burning it. We're good.

[Heather]

She doesn't listen because her ears are stitched down to her face so tight she can't hear anything. She wears a hot dog outfit to remind us she sucked her we at the top.

[Justin]

Awful.

[Whitney]

Like. Like, honestly, I would have been crying too, if I read that about myself, Justin.

[Justin]

I wouldn't have cried.

[Heather]

Oh, I mean, what do you have to say?

[Monica]

She's a sniper with her words.

[Justin]

She is.

[Monica]

That's all I got to say. I don't support it, but love her.

[Heather]

She is typing. She's like the club chalamet of.

[Monica]

It was the fact that Angie said, oh, no, she's crying.

[Justin]

What was she already. What was said about Mary?

[Heather]

About Mary.

[Angie]

Mary was Britney.

[Heather]

I would like to invite Bronwyn over to tea instead of Mary tomorrow.

[Justin]

I am curious how. How Mary would have reacted. Some real criticism.

[Whitney]

Same maybe. I mean, coming from Britney.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Maybe it was intentional to. I mean, because this is obviously produced. Maybe they kind of told the girls who. To read about who you know, and.

[Justin]

Well, clearly, like, how do you. How do you even know. How do you even know the meanest thing you've said? Or how do you search that? You know what I'm saying? Like, how do you.

[Whitney]

You can search a name in your text, and then every text that has that person's name comes up in every conversation.

[Angie]

So I wonder if they, like, gay. If producers gave the. The women, like, here's your person. Search that in your phone.

[Whitney]

And that's why Britney honestly is like, this is the meanest thing I've said about you.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Angie]

And she's like, Cause the rest of it is on record in my videos.

[Whitney]

If they would have given me Bronwyn.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Guarantee there's some text messages in Britney's phone about Bronwyn.

[Heather]

I just one thing I can't get out of My head. The earworm of Bronwyn's text to Britney reading Britney is emotional manipulative. It's so funny. She's emotional manipulative.

[Justin]

That brought me back to Southern Char. Are some of the. The. The misuse of words. Yeah. Intentionality.

[Angie]

When Taylor was like, innuendo or a hidden innuendo. It's like a hidden agenda.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Also funny.

[Heather]

We're glossing over Whitney reaching out to Monica, which.

[Justin]

Oh, by the way, to be clear, I'm not the podcaster.

[Whitney]

Yes.

[Justin]

Yeah. That they were referring to.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I'm pretty sure the podcast that they're referring to is the same person that Whitney was fighting with and Ang. Fighting with at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Angie]

I think it's from that original call where Whitney called in the car with Justin. He said she owns a tequila company.

[Monica]

That's confirmed in the uncensored version on Peacock, but it's not us.

[Angie]

Yes, it is not. It's confirmed.

[Justin]

We watched the Peacock version.

[Monica]

So it's a live version that was, like, confusing people because it was a shortened version of, like, the blog conversation.

[Angie]

At the dinner, and they kept calling him a podcast and he's a blogger.

[Monica]

He's a blogger.

[Whitney]

He's a Bravo blogger.

[Angie]

Okay. Yeah. So not Nick.

[Justin]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I do not conspire with these ladies.

[Heather]

But Whitney then called out Meredith for also talking to this blogger, which makes sense.

[Angie]

I mean, it's like, how are you going to get mad at me for talking to him? But you did the same thing.

[Whitney]

It's like you reach out for confirmation. You got it. And now you're saying that his word is more than mine.

[Angie]

And Heather, thank God, Heather is like, you. I can't believe you were talking to this person. Like, you have to stop talking to this person. Block this person, Whitney. Block this person. Like, them just being late, like, allowing these people to have access to you. Clearly their agenda is to, like, get clout and, And. And have their own storyline on their own platforms. And so it's like, the more I.

[Justin]

Watch this show, the more I feel like Monica really got thrown to the bus.

[Heather]

Oh, she. Absolutely.

[Monica]

I've been saying that.

[Justin]

Yeah, she's. Because I don't see. I don't see any difference between Lisa Barlow and Monica when she said everybody.

[Monica]

Was reaching out to reality. Von Tees.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Monica]

So it's. It's like they all had a part of it.

[Angie]

Also, Whitney did tell us at Kathy Hilton's party, the reason that she reached out to Monica was Because she heard Monica on this podcast say she had proof that all of these women had reached out to reality Von Tees.

[Justin]

So she wanted the proof.

[Angie]

She wanted the proof.

[Whitney]

She wanted the timeline.

[Angie]

Which does make sense because she was like you and. And even Mary. Like, I'm glad Mary kind of chimed in and stuck up for her, being like, you women are mean. And when y'all are mean, like, y'all are vicious. And you do put people in a corner to where they are like, holy. What do I have to do to, like, prove myself right?

[Justin]

That's so tr. I mean, like, how they. I mean, Britney shouldn't have been recording, but the way they. They. If they're lions, they would have just destroyed her.

[Whitney]

It's like mob mentality.

[Justin]

Oh, my God. It's vicious.

[Whitney]

Don't show one ounce of weakness in this group or we tack.

[Heather]

One thing that also in all the drama, did get looked over is Angie likes to call tits chicharones or chichis.

[Angie]

Testicles.

[Heather]

Well, it's Mexican fried pork.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Yeah. And I can't stop thinking about that. What is the best word for boobs?

[Angie]

I like titties, if you're asking me.

[Monica]

Tatas.

[Heather]

Tatas. Bazongas.

[Justin]

I'm just gonna reference early in the episode. Just gonna look like balloons.

[Angie]

Balloon emojis, baby bottles.

[Justin]

I don't have an opinion.

[Heather]

Mommy. Monkey.

[Whitney]

Also, Meredith, at the top of the episode with the Louis Vuitton eye mask on. She's such a mood.

[Angie]

She said, I Woke up at 4am with a scratched corner. Like, what were you doing it for?

[Justin]

The end of the day, the.

[Heather]

Also the Apollo. The conversation with her and Heather of Heather being like, I don't understand why you were mad at me. And then Meredith being like, yeah, well, I was. And then Heather being like, well, okay. And then Meredith being like, I accept your apology.

[Justin]

Weirdos.

[Heather]

Who is the best Lisa?

[Whitney]

The eight Lisa Lunch.

[Justin]

Phenomenal.

[Angie]

I. Angie was the best Lisa for sure. In my opinion.

[Heather]

I think Whitney was the best Lisa.

[Angie]

Whitney just did that to piss her off. And, like, you know, that's. I mean, and clearly it worked because she stood up, walked away. She was like, to let her see these tags hanging off my clothes, and.

[Whitney]

I didn't get it. I'm sorry. That was. I think I. I feel like I'm always on it, and I just did not get it. I was like, oh, my God, Whitney left her tag.

[Justin]

I clocked the tags. I was like, is there a tag there?

[Angie]

Yeah, but that's because it's going to.

[Heather]

Be the Fakest, phoniest, cattiest, materialistic she could be.

[Justin]

I love Whitney's willingness to stand up to Lisa.

[Angie]

I did love Lisa's line of, your gut is off.

[Justin]

It's leaking.

[Angie]

Take a probiotic. It's a mess.

[Heather]

You will never be as ethical as me.

[Angie]

Lisa has some great.

[Heather]

She does have bars.

[Angie]

She does.

[Heather]

That's why they call her Lisa Barlow.

[Justin]

Do you think she's. She practices them?

[Angie]

No, No, I think they're off the cuff.

[Heather]

That's her.

[Angie]

Yeah. I think she's just that talented.

[Heather]

Lisa and Angie both do have bars.

[Justin]

They in. In the preview for the reunion, they bring the husbands.

[Monica]

They always do.

[Angie]

Yeah, they didn't last.

[Justin]

They didn't last season. Season for Salt Lake City. They always do.

[Monica]

Last season was the only season they didn't. But Salt Lake City, every season they brought those ones out.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Usually because they're part of the storyline too.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Like Justin and Whitney, but because even.

[Monica]

Like, Mary, like, that was the reason Mary's husband didn't come back because it was like, he didn't like the way they treated him.

[Justin]

Say what you want about Todd and Brahwen's, the fact that that guy shows up for the reunions, he must love her.

[Whitney]

He does.

[Justin]

Like, I don't know. He doesn't need this shit. And it hasn't been great for him.

[Heather]

No.

[Justin]

So he's still showing up.

[Angie]

The moment between Angie and Mary, we need to talk about. Because I was so upset that Mary just, like, immediately switched up on her and was like, lisa, I'm done with Angie. Like, didn't even want to have a conversation with her. Was just like, this. I'm done. And then to, like, hear her open up at the table, like, both of them crying, and it was like, you realized in that moment that when she, like, wasn't answering Angie, Angie was like, oh, my God. Like, wait, this means more. Like, our friendship means so much to me. And, like, what. This isn't just, like, a show. This is real life. And she. It was really. It was a really beautiful moment.

[Justin]

I didn't agree with Mary in that moment, but I, you know, I appreciate her explanation and her vulnerability around, you know, her. Her abandonment issue. Because, like, I'm glad that Angie went there, whether you like Britney or not. Again, those women were vicious, and it's, like, bullying behavior that they, like, showed Britney, and it was just fucking mean. And, like, I think any decent person would go and just make sure that person is okay. Mary obviously has her issues with Britney, but, like, I'm glad that Mary at least explained where it came from. And it obviously was less about Britney and more about, about just like she really wants to be able. Mary needs to know who her ride and dies are. She needs, she wants to, she wants that absolute trust and loyalty. And it was, it was an overall sweet moment. Yeah.

[Whitney]

Said you changed my life for the better. And I was like, okay, I see.

[Heather]

You differently than everybody else. I, I cried. I'm not gonna lie. I shed a tear. It made me emotional.

[Monica]

They said, I love you.

[Justin]

Yeah, I was gonna cry, but she didn't make me cry this one.

[Whitney]

Well, maybe at the reunion. Who knows?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Well, that will wrap up this episode. A special thank you to our guest, Wells Adams and Michael Imperioli. We are back tomorrow with a very special Going Deeper episode. Excited to be bringing it to you. And then we are back on Thursday for another reality recap. We'll see you then. Bye.

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