E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E872 Summary

Release Date: January 23, 2025

Guests:

• Mayim Bialik – Actress and Neuroscientist
• Billy Billingham – Special Forces Veteran
• Rudy – Special Forces Veteran

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1. Controversy Surrounding Justin Baldoni and Blake

The episode opens with a heated discussion about recent controversies involving Justin Baldoni and a co-star named Blake. Host Nick Viall addresses allegations of inappropriate behavior on set, highlighting differing perspectives from both parties involved.

• Billy Billingham ([02:05]): "Her legal team slammed the 'It Ends With Us' footage and said the video shows Mr. Baldoni repeatedly leaning in..."

• Nick Viall ([02:53]): "I don't even think you need to be inappropriately touched in the workplace. Any woman who've been inappropriately touched..."

The conversation delves into the lack of intimacy coordinators during filming, the improvised nature of the interactions, and the broader implications for workplace safety and consent.

• Justin ([03:52]): "People are going to read this how they want to... I'm not sure what it's like."

• Emmy ([04:43]): Emphasizes the professional setting and the discomfort experienced, urging empathy and understanding.

2. Love is Blind: Ashley and Tyler Split

The hosts discuss the recent split of Ashley and Tyler from the show Love is Blind, expressing sadness over the relationship's end.

• Maddie ([09:53]): "Ashley and Tyler from Love is Blind last season are officially split."

Nick and Justin reflect on Ashley's efforts to defend her relationship against online criticism, noting the challenges faced by couples under public scrutiny.

• Emmy ([10:28]): Shares Ashley's heartfelt goodbye statement, emphasizing the emotional toll of the breakup.

3. ASAP Rocky's Legal Battle

A segment covers ASAP Rocky's refusal to accept a plea deal, facing potential imprisonment due to charges related to firing a gun at former friends.

• Justin ([16:14]): Discusses the severity of the charges and the implications of Rocky's decision to go to trial.

• Emmy ([17:01]): Explains Rocky's claim about carrying a starter pistol and the evidence contradicting it.

The hosts debate the fairness of the judicial process for celebrities, drawing parallels with past cases like Martha Stewart.

4. Mayim Bialik Breaks Down The Bachelor Bios

Mayim Bialik joins the show to analyze and provide insights into the contestant bios for the upcoming season of The Bachelor. Despite admitting to not being familiar with the show's format, Mayim offers a unique perspective combining her acting background and PhD in neuroscience.

• Mayim Bialik ([34:21]): Shares her journey from acting in Blossom to earning a PhD and returning to television with The Big Bang Theory.

• Nick Viall ([50:02]): Engages Mayim in a playful critique of the contestant bios, leading to humorous and insightful commentary.

Mayim discusses the importance of authentic representations in media and the potential impact of The Bachelor on viewers' perceptions of relationships.

5. Special Forces Billy and Rudy Share Military Experiences

Veterans Billy Billingham and Rudy provide an in-depth look into their time in the Special Forces, sharing harrowing tales of combat, leadership, and camaraderie.

• Billy Billingham ([78:05]): Recounts his early life, joining the SAS, and pivotal moments during missions in Bosnia and Iraq.

• Rudy ([87:42]): Describes his challenging upbringing, military service, and transition into entertainment, emphasizing the importance of discipline and resilience.

Their stories highlight the mental and physical demands of special operations, the bonds forged in combat, and the ongoing mission to support veterans and their families.

• Kaylee ([85:06]): "It's been challenging... More intense every time we do it."

6. Relationship Dynamics on Reality TV: Joe and TJ Drama

The hosts delve into the complexities of friendship and romantic relationships showcased on reality TV, focusing on the tension between Joe and TJ.

• Emmy ([124:19]): Advocates for direct communication in resolving conflicts, criticizing the tendency to escalate misunderstandings.

• Justin ([125:52]): Highlights the importance of addressing feelings openly to maintain genuine friendships.

The discussion emphasizes the blurred lines between personal and public personas in reality television, urging authenticity and empathy among participants.

7. Final Reflections and Takeaways

As the episode concludes, the hosts reflect on the shared stories and lessons from their guests:

• Nick Viall ([129:58]): "What’s so weird is that somebody did this to Maddie..."

• Maddie ([132:17]): Encourages listeners to prioritize meaningful conversations and authentic relationships over manufactured drama.

The episode underscores the importance of integrity, open communication, and support systems both in personal life and in high-pressure environments like reality TV and the military.

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Notable Quotes:

• Billy Billingham ([02:05]): "The video shows Ms. Lively leaning away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk."

• Mayim Bialik ([34:54]): "People have believed in me more than I believed in myself."

• Nick Viall ([50:03]): "How committed is she really?..."

• Kaylee ([85:43]): "That led to me writing my memoirs down and actually writing a book..."

This episode of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive exploration of recent happenings in reality TV, celebrity news, and personal growth stories from esteemed guests, all delivered with the hosts' signature blend of humor and insight.

Transcript

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[Rudy]

You're craz.

[Justin]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host Nick and well, Justin released a video. We've officially reached the stage of people have cemented themselves in the position that they have. It really feels like if you're on Justin's team, feels like every time he releases something it seems like his side's like oh, smoking gun and then you have blood. Blake. What? What was the statement that Blake's team made?

[Billy]

Her legal team slammed the it ends with us footage and said the video shows Mr. Baldoni repeatedly leaning in toward Ms. Lively, attempting to kiss her, kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her neck, flicking her lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her how good she smells and talking with her out of character. Every moment of this was improvised by Mr. Baldoni with no discussion or consent in advance and no intimacy coordinator presentation. Mr. Boundoni was not only Ms. Lively's co star, but the director, the head of Studio, and Ms. Lively's boss. The video shows Ms. Lively leaning away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk. Any woman who has been inappropriately touched in the workplace will recognize Ms. Lively's discomfort. They will recognize her attempts at levity to try to deflect unwanted touching. No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent.

[Nick]

I don't even think you need to be inappropriately touched in the workplace. I think any woman who's been in a bar and a man has, like, tried to dance with them or made advances, did anything that made you uncomfortable. And like, I think a lot of women struggle with, like, embarrassing a man or like, standing up for themselves and being like, I don't want to be touched. So they try to be as, like, polite as possible and be like, that's why a lot of women say, I have a boyfriend. When some. Most of the time they don't have a boyfriend because they don't want to give their number away. You know, like, I think people are going to read this how they want to. You know, I read this is definitely how Blake said it. You know, I see an uncomfortable woman who just is constantly trying to be like, I think we should talk. Let's just talk. Like, if this part was supposed to be kissing and touching and neck smelling and whatever, then they would have had an intimacy coordinator, because that's all intimacy. So I think Blake being like, let's just talk. Let's have conversation. And I don't know, I see it how Blake says it. I'm sure people are going to see it how Justin I describes it.

[Justin]

I get why his. His team released a video, though. And it seems to be, you know, a continuation of their playbook, because by releasing the video, it allows people to do what they're doing, which is to decide for themselves whether what they're seeing would make them uncomfortable. Right? And so now they're watching it and a lot of people are watching it maybe through the lens of, you know, putting themselves imagining that they would be actors. With Justin Baldoni, it's just like, well, I don't know if I was doing a scene, like, I don't know what is he so bad. It's like, it's as if people expected to see a video, like, short of them seeing a video of Justin, like, groping Blake or, you know, throwing his tongue down her throat and having her push him off, you know, and things like that. It's gonna allow people to claim that she's overreacting or that they don't know what they are seeing. And I don't know what it's like.

[Emmy]

To be in Yalls position to reiterate what Natalie said. I'm like. It's also shocking that people don't understand that she's in a professional setting. So I'm like, at the end of the day, she's hired to do her job. You're not gonna see her pushing him aggressively away. You're not gonna see her cowering. She knows that the camera is rolling, they're having conversation, and she's trying back into the way that she wants the scene to go. But again, it's. It's another thing where it's his word versus hers. And it's like you don't know what the inner monologue in her mind of if she was uncomfortable, what she was thinking, how she was feeling, and that wasn't being gauged. So, again, it's. It's the. If I were in her shoes, I would have been fine. But you don't know what it was like to be in her shoes in that position.

[Nick]

Also, it was interesting that, you know, this man who is all about women, threw Ginny Slate's nose under the bus.

[Justin]

Yeah, she's catching shrapnel.

[Billy]

Like, I've said multiple times that I'm team Jenny Slate, and as soon as a stray got thrown at Jenny Slate, that. I mean, that just put the nail in the coffin for me.

[Emmy]

Well, I'm sorry, just not giving Ally, in the sense of you're going to throw a coworker's appearance, a woman's appearance, under the bus to validate your commentary that you extended about your nose.

[Nick]

But who's also not even in the room.

[Emmy]

Who's not in the room. Who you hired, who doesn't know that you've said this about her.

[Justin]

Like, all my friends I've talked to about this seem to have similar opinions than us. I mean, I would be interested to talk to someone who disagrees with us in their take. What I struggle with. And you all make obviously great points, but, like, let's say we were. We. We were a fly in the wall, right? And regardless of what Blake feels about Justin, that from our perspective, everything Justin did, from the scene to the phone call to her trainer, the alleged comments about his porn addictions, let's say none of that would have offended us or made us feel uncomfortable. Let's say we were just like, I don't know, I don't see what the big deal is. What I still struggle with is the. What seems to be like, really concrete evidence of Justin's intentions to, in his team's words, destroy Blake and attack her credibility and hire this crisis PR team and hire this team again that, like, clearly laid out their roadmap of how they plan to go about doing exactly what they're doing online. And that's the part I struggle with. It's like the retaliation part. Even if you disagree with her interpretation of everything, what seems to be clear is his spitefulness and his willingness to invest and spend a lot of money on retaliating against Blake. And to me, that's the part that she is fighting the most. Back to what I said on Tuesday, it seems like Wayfair fronted the money. Wayfair made the most money. It sure seems like to me that she had the most to lose and very little to gain. You know, when this all happened in August and the Internet turned against Blake, we said what we said. Everyone told us we were wrong. And then we all kind of. We all moved on. You know, everyone kind of moved on. The movie came out. You know, it was. It was done. And then obviously this all came up and reignited this whole thing. But, you know, it seemed like her desire, I would think, to fight this, like, she had to just figure out, like, what was she going to gain from this? Because you would think bringing attention to this and causing the drama would again make the movie more popular, make Justin and Wayfair more money. What was she going to get out of it other than just to, you know, defend herself and clearly, like, this has cost her a ton for the people who are just, like, vehemently against her in writing for justice. And how do you answer those questions? That's what I struggle with.

[Nick]

I'm sure you'll have plenty of people in the comments. I'm sure.

[Justin]

I'm sure the trolls will have no problem arguing with me, but they don't really. They just tell us how wrong we are. They just tell us that, like, oh, we need to read the complaint. We've read all the complaints, including the Stephanie Jones one, which no one's talking about, which includes so many text messaging conversations that, like, from my point of view, seem fairly damning against Justin and his team. But I don't know. People clearly are cherry picking. People clearly decided where they stand. I don't know.

[Maddie]

So Baldoni's team is also planning to make a website now with relevant videos and correspondence to the lawsuit, which is interesting.

[Justin]

But, like, these relevant videos, like, one. One text message that was talked about all over the Internet was this text message from Blake to Justin where she, like, you know, kind of bizarrely claims that she's, like, this Game of Thrones fan, and there's this, you know, implication that she's alleging Taylor Swift is one of her dragons and things like that. And, yeah, like, when you read it, it kind of, like, it seems a little kooky, maybe a little weird, but everyone's just focusing on that and deciding that, like, what they think of Blake is the person. And again, like, I don't know. Seems like people are losing sight of that. I do know that, like, going forward, if you are a woman in the workplace and you feel uncomfortable from a man in power, what is going on right now? I don't see how any woman going forward would feel comfortable speaking up, because clearly, there is a very clear playbook now to how to fight against that. I don't know. We feel how we feel. Again, my. My opinion is strongly based off my interactions with Justin. Yeah, I. I don't. I don't know what else we got.

[Maddie]

Ashley and Tyler from Love is Blind last season are officially split.

[Nick]

It's sad because I feel like she really.

[Justin]

She really wanted to believe in that relationship.

[Nick]

Yeah. And also, I feel like she really was trying to, like, prove to the haters that, like, they're good. I feel like the world. The Internet was against their relationship, and they were constantly trying to, like, poke holes in it, be like, well, he's a liar, and he did this, and he did that. Obvious being behind closed doors with them. And I feel like she really tried to, like, fight that and, like, put that on the back burner. And, I mean, obviously, we don't know what happened, but it is sad that they're broken up.

[Justin]

They are awfully quiet. I do know that neither of them want to comment on it going forward, other than the comment that Ashley made, which was pretty vague and generic.

[Maddie]

I was gonna say she did do a statement to people if we want to read it.

[Justin]

It was like she made a difficult decision. What was it?

[Emmy]

After much reflection, I want to share that Tyler and I have been separated for several weeks and have now made the difficult decision to end our marriage. While I had hoped for mutual understanding and transparency in our relationship, it has become clear that our paths are no longer aligned, making it impossible for me to continue in this marriage. This was not a decision I made lightly, but one I know is necessary for my own growth and peace While this chapter is ending, I will always hold respect for the time and love we shared. I kindly ask for privacy during this deeply personal time as I focus on healing and building a new future. Thank you for your understanding and support based on that.

[Justin]

Sounds like she caught him in a lie.

[Emmy]

And it seems like whatever she was trying to like, protect and he's not making it any easier in my.

[Justin]

Well, she wrote hard from. She came on this show and she, you know, she was fighting with the entire Internet and she was very adamant about believing him and trusting him, giving.

[Emmy]

Him the benefit of the doubt.

[Justin]

So it probably didn't even have to be a big lie. It just probably was just another little. Who knows? Or maybe it was a big lie, I don't know. But they are over.

[Emmy]

Wishing them both the best.

[Billy]

Well, speaking of another relationship that the Internet has strong feelings about, Justin Bieber claims someone unfollowed his wife, Hailey.

[Justin]

Someone like. You don't believe him.

[Billy]

No, that's. It's. It's in quotes. Do you think that's why I was just putting emphasis on the quote. It was my dialect.

[Nick]

Do you think the same person who he's alleging unfollowed Haley was the same person that, like, liked the posts from Beyonce's mom?

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And commented that from Josh Allen.

[Billy]

There is. There is one freak out there. We got it.

[Justin]

We got to get on a point out that how many people. How many people on this team have access to my Instagram?

[Nick]

I do.

[Justin]

One, two. Zach, you know, I know three or four people. Yeah. But like, I put a lot of trust in you guys.

[Billy]

I was going to say, can we start getting messy?

[Justin]

Also, he does also just saying, like, it's not that crazy to think that he has a team. I'm pretty sure someone else has a baby.

[Nick]

And like, I know that river will touch my phone and like, oh, my God, how did you get. How are you DMing this person? You know? Or how are you liking this photo? Or how are you on Google searching that?

[Maddie]

You know, what are the odds that river grabs her phone and unfollows Nick, though?

[Nick]

You know, there's. They could be slim. They also could not be. She's very.

[Justin]

Sometimes I will say things happen and you're like, fuck. If.

[Nick]

If she turned on.

[Justin]

No one would believe that.

[Nick]

You know, like, she turned on the. What is it called on the tv.

[Justin]

She likes buttons. She loves buttons. She's drawn. Like, we don't give her any screen.

[Nick]

Time, but she always goes on the tv. I know she turned on the.

[Justin]

She turned on this. She turned. It's so annoying. She turned on. It's really annoying because I can't figure out how to turn it off. It's like the voice command. So every. Every button you push, it's like Netflix and it's a computer. Like, volume 24, volume 25, volume 26, volume 27, volume. And then you try to turn down volume 24, 23.

[Billy]

You're like, maybe she's an auditory learner.

[Kaylee]

Maybe.

[Justin]

But I can't figure out how to turn this thing off.

[Emmy]

She might know. I know.

[Justin]

I'm pretty good with tech. I'm pretty good. It's so.

[Nick]

I think Jack did it. That's my.

[Justin]

Jack the baby Jack the baby Jack.

[Nick]

The baby Jack Blue.

[Maddie]

Are people just getting.

[Justin]

I don't think Justin Bieber got in a fight with Hailey and unfollowed her out of.

[Mayim Bialik]

No.

[Billy]

Well, Haley then posted in a carousel a picture of Justin sleeping to be like, my man's still here taking a nap.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Wait, so he was taking a nap while the story was posted?

[Billy]

This is later. Haley. Then after all of this, and everyone's like, they hate each other. They're getting a divorce.

[Justin]

I feel bad for him. Every little thing, every move.

[Billy]

I know.

[Emmy]

They step outside. He didn't dress up enough. They're getting a divorce.

[Nick]

He doesn't want.

[Emmy]

Yeah, he's walking while he's supporting her at her event. But yes, no, he hates her.

[Justin]

It's like, you can't. They can't even be genuine because they. There's. They must be so in their head about how the Internet expects them to act.

[Billy]

If I was them, I would literally log off and never show my face again. So proud of them.

[Nick]

You know who? I'll log off and never show their face again.

[Emmy]

Tell me who.

[Nick]

Mark Zuckerberg.

[Billy]

Oh, speaking of oligarchs, I am definitely over the oligarch.

[Nick]

Mark Zuckerberg, full on, was checking out Lauren Sanchez's Jeff Bezos wife's chest during the inauguration.

[Justin]

Do you think he thought she was hot or not?

[Emmy]

Oh, that was good.

[Billy]

This is a real social network.

[Justin]

That was the first app he created.

[Nick]

Oh, Hot or not.

[Maddie]

That's the MySpace days.

[Nick]

It was like I was on the brink of MySpace.

[Billy]

I want Lauren Sanchez to do Rooney Mara's entire monologue at the beginning of the Social Network.

[Justin]

Do you think Jeff called him up and was like, bro, did you see.

[Nick]

The photo of him, Mark, with his wife? And he's like, on his phone, and you can tell, he's like, no, Babe, it's the angle. Like, if you. If you would zoom in, you could see my eyes are looking across her, not at her.

[Justin]

He was like, I was running an algorithm and I was like deep in thought trying to.

[Maddie]

Have we not learned peripherals exist for a reason. Give it a glance. Look away. He was staring.

[Justin]

I think the whole thing is a still photo. So it's.

[Maddie]

But he looked twice in the video.

[Nick]

In the video. Yeah, he definitely looked a look.

[Billy]

Yeah. This really is an example of how when someone is hot looking at your boobs, it's great. And when that someone is Mark Zuckerberg. No, no, no.

[Emmy]

Somebody called it yassified. And I just can't not think of it that way.

[Billy]

Yeah, no, it just pulled him in.

[Emmy]

He got real happy. And then he was like, just one more.

[Justin]

Yeah, the force is strong.

[Billy]

Crazy that his face looks that melted. Anyway, ASAP. Rocky refuses plea deal, faces maximum of 24 years as trial opens on charges he fired a gun at former friends.

[Nick]

Isn't his defense that it was like, not a real gun or something that.

[Maddie]

He carries a prop gun for, like, self defense? Yeah, that's what his attorneys are saying.

[Justin]

And then. But it fired.

[Maddie]

So those details we don't know. Basically, the judges, like, he's strong on. Like, we're not going to let fame protect this man. Like, we need a quick speedy trial.

[Justin]

Well, it's great. I mean, he was given a plea deal of six months in prison. I imagine if he was well behaved, that would be even less. And he's like, fuck that. Let's go to court. And he's facing up to 24 years in prison. That's a big bet. That is a big fucking bet.

[Nick]

Especially for having two kids, two small children at home.

[Justin]

You know, I mean, I'm not saying. I'm in no position to say, hey, just do the time. I don't know what it's like to go to prison. I can't imagine it's fun. But again, that's a. It's a. It's a big bet to explain.

[Emmy]

The starter pistol is what he says that he has, which is a gun that's usually carried as a prop for security purposes, but it makes a loud noise instead of firing bullets and is used for starting races. Is what a starter pistol is what he's claiming he was holding, like, a blank.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Justin]

Is there any evidence to the contrary?

[Emmy]

There is video evidence. I'm pretty positive. And I know there's still frames. I haven't seen it. So I'm like. And also I don't know how a starter pistol works in the sense of does it fire off a blank or is it just a loud noise?

[Nick]

Well, they clearly think that they have a strong enough case to go to trial and, like, put him on the stand in front of jurors.

[Justin]

I don't think anyone would think that 24 years in prison would be a fair punishment for this alleged crime, regardless. So I do think it's ironic that the judge is pointing out that A dollar is not going to get any favoritism because of his. Because of his celebrity. But it's well known that district attorneys and politicians will go after public figures to set an example, to make a name for themselves.

[Billy]

Martha Stewart.

[Justin]

Martha Stewart.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Justin]

You know, that's. This happens all the time. So it's a. It's a bit hypocritical given the potential length of time he would have to face. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like six months for accidentally firing a gun would be like, the max.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Justin]

You know, no one got hurt.

[Billy]

I worked on an ASAP Rocky music video as a PA one time, and I will say I gave him a water bottle. That man. Beautiful. Incredible teeth.

[Emmy]

So don't put it.

[Nick]

And he would smile at the jurors.

[Justin]

Was he nice?

[Nick]

And they would be like, yeah.

[Billy]

He said. I said, would you like a water? And he said, no, thank you, but thank you. And I was like, not a double thank you. And I was like, oh, my God. I understand you, Rihanna, in every single level.

[Maddie]

It does.

[Billy]

I'm biased.

[Maddie]

Rocky told a judge. He respectfully declined. So he's a gentleman.

[Nick]

He's a gentleman.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah. I. He's not the guy you guys should be going after.

[Billy]

Yeah. I feel like there are a lot worse things happening right now.

[Justin]

Team A$AP and Rihanna. Fuck this judge.

[Billy]

Yeah. Also, hey, A$AP Rocky released the music video that I worked on because it was really cool, and it's just still not out.

[Maddie]

Is a song out?

[Billy]

No.

[Justin]

Anyway, do you even know the name?

[Billy]

Yes, but I don't want to, like, say it out of respect. I sent an NDA.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Billy]

They didn't pay me, but I sent an NDA.

[Maddie]

You know who we need to come after or go after?

[Nick]

Who?

[Maddie]

Girl Scout cookies.

[Justin]

Ugh.

[Billy]

Them guys.

[Nick]

Why are we going after the kids?

[Maddie]

So there's this story that just came out of this woman who's a manager of a team, and one of her, like, employees below her was selling Girl Scout cookies for his daughter. She basically asked the person, like, I have celiac's disease. Are there any cookies that don't have like gluten in them? Like, I just want to make sure. He was like, no, she didn't Girl Scout cookies. She didn't buy them. And basically he started going around behind her back and calling her stingy, comparing her to like the previous boss or manager that would buy cookies. And to me I'm just like, okay.

[Justin]

This guy's a fucking bully.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, we can't say fuck them kids because it wasn't the kids, it was the dad of the kid.

[Billy]

Yeah, sorry, I was quoting doja Cat. I was quoting Doja Cat asap. Rocky.

[Nick]

Protect the kids.

[Justin]

Protect the kids.

[Billy]

Yeah, no, it seems like, it seems like this woman actually hates young female entrepreneurs.

[Nick]

I also do think there's still a group of people who think like, gluten allergies are a crock of shit. And so I feel like maybe he heard like I learned a gluten and he was like, just stingy.

[Justin]

But also, I don't want to buy your fucking cookies. Maybe he got off a four day water cleanse and decided to not eat sugar for a while and realizing that if he were going to buy the cookies, he would fucking eat them just because you have a fucking kid. And listen, if river wants to join girl scouts and sell girl scout cookies, we'll do the parent thing and go around and ask. People want to buy the cookies, but I'm not going to stomp my feet and storm off if someone says no and act like they're a monster because they don't want to like support my child. It'll be a great opportunity to teach my kid disappointment.

[Emmy]

Oh my God, I'm such a sucker for girl scout cookies.

[Nick]

Even if I Delicious guy's a terrible parent. She also could have been like, I'll buy the cookies, but I don't want the cookies.

[Justin]

Yeah, she doesn't have to buy the cookies though though.

[Emmy]

Yeah, she doesn't have to, but I'm just like, even then buy a box.

[Justin]

It's not your kid. It's no one's job to support your kid. I don't. Good for your kid. Who give. There's a million people out there. It's not my job to support your kid.

[Nick]

Hey, she's not. The, the kids aren't doing this to like buy a Range Rover.

[Justin]

The kid's not even there. No, the parent. No, this is, I'm guaranteed. This is one of those parents that goes around this, this parent does their kids science project for sure because they wanna, they wanna Put their kids like gold star on their fridge and they want to go to their and brag about their kids because they sold the most fucking cookies. Like, give me a fucking break.

[Nick]

The F word is flying out of your mouth.

[Justin]

Because I hate parents like this here.

[Emmy]

I just thought you're really passionate about Girl Scout cookies.

[Justin]

No, I'm passionate about parents who use their kids to like, make other people feel bad. Because I don't want to buy your cookies.

[Maddie]

Do you buy them outside of the grocery store?

[Justin]

I've bought plenty of Girl Scout cookies because I love Girl Scout cookies and I'm happy to support, but it's not my job or responsibility to do that. Like, like people are acting like, like we're donating to like a tragedy.

[Billy]

Like, if it was 2009, this would be made into a movie with Melissa McCarthy and Vince Vaughn and it would make $10 million.

[Maddie]

They already made that movie.

[Justin]

Did they?

[Maddie]

About girls? McCarthy about Girl Scout cookies. Yeah.

[Billy]

See, I'm so smart.

[Maddie]

The boss or something. And it's like competing Girl Scout groups that like, have to sell movies.

[Justin]

Oh, yes. Did you not know this?

[Maddie]

And they have like a full five.

[Billy]

I think maybe subconsciously I did, but I think I'm just maybe an incredible casting director and have a vis.

[Justin]

That's what I'm saying. And does she play a bossy. She troop leader?

[Maddie]

She turns the Girl Scout group that's like unpopular into like a multi million dollar company.

[Billy]

So I mean, yeah, I mean, they also did troop five stars out of.

[Nick]

Ten on IMDb, so.

[Billy]

Okay, well, going back to Nick and I's sorry for my F words IMDb scores. I don't care.

[Justin]

Clearly you can't listen to this with your kids in the car.

[Maddie]

I did ask a Girl Scout once. I went up to her table and they're expensive, first of all. So I was like, if I'm gonna pay $7 for a box now when it used to be $4, I'm gonna ask you about the cookie. So I was like, is this the original formula of the lemonade cookies?

[Emmy]

Justin, she was born six years ago.

[Maddie]

She gave me a speech of.

[Justin]

You asked the kid this?

[Maddie]

Yes, I did.

[Justin]

Okay. You're a mom.

[Nick]

The kid's like. You asked if this is the original.

[Maddie]

I was being nice. And I also wanted to know if all the icing was still on the cookie.

[Justin]

To be clear, my name is strictly based on the fact that this. This is an adult. A conversation between and that kid wasn't present. And this is a. An adult who showed up to work and demanded all of his co workers buy his kids cookies.

[Billy]

I think this is the funniest beef.

[Nick]

Well, what if, like, the kid couldn't. What if no one was buying the kids cookies and the dad was like, you know what, honey? Like, I'll take them to work and there's a bunch of people there, and they're going to support you, honey. You'll. It's all right. Don't worry. Like, we'll get you the. We'll get you the. Whatever you get when you. When you sell your cookies, okay? And that's what happens. Like, then he should have bought them himself. He's just trying to help his kid out.

[Justin]

Sure, great. No, help your kid out. But when one person, whether they have celiac's disease or they just don't want a cookie, like, times are tight. What?

[Nick]

He was talking shit about her.

[Justin]

Yeah. You don't get to go around and, like, start talking shit just because they don't want to buy your kids cookie. Ask another person.

[Billy]

Girl Scouts of America are not lacking in any funds. They have a partnership with native deodorant.

[Justin]

Go. Go hang out outside of the vending machine and wait for the person who, like, whose cookie gets caught in a vending machine. They lose their fucking mind. They start shaking it. Go sell their effort.

[Billy]

Girls got like, he.

[Justin]

Lay off the person who doesn't want to eat your cookies.

[Billy]

This man should be teaching his daughter how to scheme.

[Justin]

I'm strictly off sugar.

[Nick]

I can tell.

[Maddie]

To answer your question, Natalie, she gave me a long speech on nonsense, but then I bought two boxes. I was like, good for you, girl.

[Nick]

Good for her.

[Emmy]

You made her work.

[Nick]

Nonsense.

[Justin]

So you were.

[Maddie]

You were testing her as a former Boy Scout. I was like, I know the Hustle. And I was like, let me just hear. Because inflation has made these cookies expensive, and she got more money out of it.

[Justin]

So your intentions were pure?

[Maddie]

Yes, they were.

[Billy]

Yeah. Okay, well, some unpure intentions. Andy Cohen wants Lisa Vanderpump to return for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 15.

[Maddie]

It makes sense, but keep her off.

[Justin]

From a. From a TV standpoint. I hate that. I agree with it. I don't think she deserves any more TV time.

[Billy]

I think Kyle would literally implode. She would have an aneurysm.

[Justin]

And for that reason alone, I'm kind of into it. Yeah, I feel like this whole episode could have been avoided if. If all. Maybe it's this every housewife fight, but it's. It's all it takes is. Listen, I'm sorry. My intentions weren't to hurt you. My intentions weren't to be disrespectful or go behind your back, but I do understand how it can come that way. Dorit and I'd certainly. What? You know, but Kyle just can't do that. She just can't just acknowledge that, like, Dorit has every right to be upset regardless of what Kyle meant or what actually was texted. Like, she's supposed to be your friend. Like, they're going through a divorce. You've admitted it would bother you. I know. What am I missing?

[Nick]

I think also Kyle being like, you know, telling. I don't know if it was Bose or more of the woman, but she was like, she's always been fine with me texting him. And like, now all of a sudden she's not. And it's like, well, yeah, now all of a sudden they're separ. Like, of course she would not be okay with you continuing to talk to him.

[Emmy]

Big difference. Yeah, big difference.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Emmy]

Kyle also, like, notoriously never apologizes, and she's so used to having, like, a girl gang behind her that's like, don't talk about Kyle. Don't say this. Da, da, da. And it's like you're kind of seeing the lone wolf in Erica, like, still standing by Kyle, where it's like, if she read that message about your ex husband, would you not want to know what you haven't shared or what you will always keep secret? Because that's. That's weird verbiage.

[Kaylee]

Well, that's. And.

[Justin]

And Erica's only motive is because, like, obviously she went through what she went through, and she was pretty wrong, especially when it came to the earrings. And she never wanted to acknowledge that. So her whole motive is because she didn't want to acknowledge her wrongdoing. And that's the only reason why she seemingly is backing Kyle is to. Is. Is for. Is to protect herself. I respect her.

[Maddie]

I respect her, though.

[Justin]

What are you.

[Maddie]

Well, because she's like. Like, when saying it, she's like, I don't want someone to be, like, ganged up on. On, like, a group of women when it's like, I was in that position as well.

[Nick]

I definitely think it was wrong of Bose to be like, read the text. Because it's not for both. Like, she needs to be like, you need to go read the text to Dorit. Like, Kyle should not have opened up the phone at Chuck E. Cheese. She should have immediately. If, like, if she was ever going to read this text, it should have been with a Sit down with her and Dorit. And she should have read Dorit a text. I mean, for Bose to be like, why don't you read me the text? It's like, well, Bo's like, yeah, it's. It's.

[Justin]

Kyle showed up at her house post surgery to try to manipulate Bose into believing her. Kyle's the one who inserted.

[Nick]

That was definitely a producer thing. That was not Kyle being like, I want to go right after her surgery.

[Justin]

It's all. I mean, either way. Either way, fine. Forget about post surgery. Kyle went to Bose to try to get Bose on her side, and she the one. She's the one who brought Bose into the drama, and Bose isn't buying Kyle's. And so, yeah, is it a little messy for Bose to say, show me the text? But again, Kyle is adamantly trying to convince these women that she's not wrong and to take her side, and they're not buying it. So they're like, well, fine, prove it to us if you want us to. If you want us to back you up and believe you, you have to show us, you know? So I don't know. I don't have a problem with it.

[Emmy]

And I feel like Bo said something just, like, about just, like, working, like, in the workplace and like, whatnot. Whereas, like, this type of reaction, not only is it giving guilty, but it's also like, just to be able to stand still and have a conversation about it. The bigger the reaction, the more you seem guilty because it's like you're trying to deflect from what's being said when it's a simple. I don't think what I said was wrong, but instead it's like, let's blow up. Let's make a whole thing so we don't have to continue this conversation anymore. And it's just like, I don't know.

[Rudy]

It's.

[Emmy]

It's just the deflection for me where I'm like, exactly what you said. This could have been solely handled with a singular conversation between two people, and instead, you're reading text messages at a party.

[Justin]

I'm really sorry I got your back going forward. That was wrong of me. If it were me, I'd be upset. So I totally get it. End of conversation. That's literally all that has to be said.

[Maddie]

She did blame production, too, which was interesting.

[Billy]

That was interesting.

[Emmy]

She said it was because of all of this. And it's like, then why wouldn't you say it? Every single one of those housewives were like, nope. I have sent text messages being like, I can't say what you said on camera, or I won't do this in front of production. And it's like, for you to leave that little bit out in your message to pk, it's suspect.

[Justin]

Regardless of our success, do you think we'll ever buy our kids a luxury car?

[Nick]

Only if our daughter's name was Mercedes or Range Rover.

[Billy]

Range Rover would be a beautiful name for a baby girl.

[Justin]

Girl.

[Nick]

I mean, like, they had to get her a Porsche. Her name is Portia.

[Justin]

They had to.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

She just gotten a job.

[Maddie]

I hate that. It makes so much sense.

[Nick]

It makes so much sense.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And they're. I mean, like.

[Justin]

I mean, yeah, they're filthy.

[Nick]

They're loaded. Like, get. Let them get the kid.

[Billy]

But what if your daughter's name was Nissan Altima?

[Justin]

Dirt.

[Billy]

Then what do you do?

[Nick]

I feel like you got to get the Ultima Civic. Honestly, have y'all seen that trend where it's like, if these weren't names of, like, things, they would be such pretty names. And it's like, Kia Soul. Gonorrhea.

[Maddie]

My mom works in schools, and you'd be shocked that a lot of kids are named after, like, STDs.

[Billy]

Wow.

[Maddie]

Because their parents don't know. And, like, they sound pretty outside of the context of what they are.

[Justin]

Chlamydia. Chlamydia has a ring to it.

[Billy]

Cammie, right? Yeah. Gani Riri.

[Maddie]

I do think, like, I remember a story of a kid named. It was Gonorrhea, but her name was, like, gonorrhea or something. It's pronounced always more, like, elegant.

[Emmy]

Are we done with Beverly Hills?

[Justin]

I think so. Is there something else we have missed out, Jennifer?

[Billy]

Tilly says mems instead of memes, and I just think we need to.

[Nick]

I feel like we're not shocked by that, Right?

[Rudy]

No.

[Billy]

She's. Well, as Sutton said, she's Canadian.

[Justin]

Yeah. Is she? I don't know. And she owns an American Icon TV show.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Good for her. Up next, we have the legendary Mayim Bialik with us. You know her from Blossom and Big Bang Theory. And she is going to break down some of the Bachelor bios. And then after that, we have a couple of the DS from Special Forces. Billy and Rudy are with us. I'd love to get their take on some of the women on the upcoming season of the Bachelor, which premieres Monday. Next Monday. Next Monday. All right, well, we'll see who they casted up next.

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[Justin]

I A L L Mayim welcome to the show.

[Mayim Bialik]

Thanks for having me.

[Justin]

So excited to have you.

[Mayim Bialik]

Thank you.

[Justin]

I've been a fan of yours for a long time.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, that's very sweet.

[Justin]

Yeah, I'm old enough to know Blossom.

[Mayim Bialik]

I did not think you were old.

[Justin]

Enough, but yeah, I'm 44.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

Yeah. So you were like a huge star in my, in my household growing up.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, thank you.

[Justin]

I guess just to start there, I mean, you've had obviously such an illustrious career in Hollywood. What has that been like? I'm always kind of fascinated with people who, their whole lives has been kind of in and out of this kind of crazy world.

[Mayim Bialik]

Nothing that happened was something I predicted. You know, I don't have the typical, like, child actor trajectory of like starting in commercials when you're three. Cause you're so cute and everyone wants to look at you. I, I was born at a time when people like me did not appear in commercials or even TV shows. Like, you know, when you watch TV now, you see people of like different shapes, sizes, colors on the television. And I try and explain to my kids, like, I never saw black or Latino people in commercials. Like, my whole life it was just like blonde haired, blue eyed, small featured humans. Like, that was the world that I grew up in. So it never occurred to me, you know, that like a strange grandchild of, you know, immigrants from Eastern Europe, like, should be on television. I enjoyed performing in school plays. My parents were not industry people. My dad was a drama teacher, but not my drama teacher. My mom was a nursery school director. My grandparents are immigrants, like sweatshop workers. Like, I come from very humble beginnings. I grew up in a kind of crummy neighborhood in Hollywood. You know, I grew up like playing outside till it got dark or if somebody was bleeding, that was the only time your parents kind of wanted to hear from you. So I liked school plays and had this notion of, like, people are on tv, like, I should be an actor. I don't know what gave me that idea, really, because, like I said, nobody looked like me on television. You know, my whole career, people have believed in me more than I believed in myself. There's not an example I can give you where that wasn't true. In this case, it was my mom. You know, often starts with your parent. And she was like, you look like Bette Midler and Barbra Streisand. And you can sing and you can dance and you can do this. So I got an agent when I was 11, and I was cast in Beaches playing a young Bette Midler when I was 12 and a half. And my mother was like, see, I was right. I told you the next period of my life which you experienced as a viewer. And I think maybe I was not even a thought. Yeah, you were not. Yeah. You know, that happened because of Beaches. So it was literally just like, overnight, you know, I was given my own TV show. It's nuts. It's a crazy story. And it felt crazy. At the time. I was a very strange kid. I'm a strange adult. You know, I was a kid who, like, didn't really. I mean, I had friends and stuff, but everybody thought I was weird. Girls were intimidated by me. Boys were intimidated by me. I was very cerebral and kind of a serious kid. And I got, you know, to have my own TV show when I was 14 to 19. That was Blossom.

[Emmy]

Wow.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. And then I left the industry for 12 years. I had two kids. And then I did Big Bang Theory.

[Justin]

Okay. Yeah. With Blossom, that. I was a big fan of Joey. And that was, like, when I would, like, tie the flannels. Flannels around the waist. Yeah. I would steal my sister's flannel just so I could do that. Yeah, that is a.

[Mayim Bialik]

It was the look. I mean, look we were on from, you know, 1990-95. Like, that was kind of the. It was the heart of the 90s. And. And, you know, CNC Music Factory was on our show and Salt N Pepa and, you know, a lot of sort of musicians. And, like, Will Smith was on when we literally called him Fresh Prince. Like, that was his name. Like, nice to meet you, Mr. Fresh Prince. We premiered after the Cosby Show. Like, that's how long ago it was. That's how long ago it was. So, yeah, that was. I was 14 to 19. Joey's a year younger than me. Jenna von always two years younger than me. So we kind of grew up as each other's. That was school. That was our social circle. We were very fortunate. We had a very clean, you know, a lot of sets had like drugs and parties and drinking. Like, you know, it wasn't uncommon in those days for like the crew to be like, drunk at lunch and like come back and work the rest of the day drunk. We did not see any of that. We had a very clean set. We enjoyed our time together. I mean, of course there's not, there's not any set where there's not some sort of, like, I'm sure, you know, like there's human politics no matter what you do. But it was a very, very positive experience. And I'm not just like, it was amazing. Like, I love my life. It really was a very positive, conscious, constructive, creative environment. You know, I credit our producers and the grownups who were in charge of us. So. Yeah. And then leaving for 12 years. I got a PhD. I had two kids.

[Justin]

What did you get your PhD in?

[Mayim Bialik]

I got my PhD in neuroscience. I'm a science person. I fell in love with science late in life and I was cast in Big Bang Theory. I'd never seen it, thought it was a game show. And I was kind of like, as you may have, like gleaned from my questionnaire I filled out before meeting you. I'm not really a pop culture person. I had never seen the Big Bang Theory. It was a very popular show. I just was like nursing a baby and, you know, dealing with a toddler. So, yeah, I was out of, I was just out of getting my doctorate and I used to act.

[Justin]

And I am also.

[Mayim Bialik]

I needed insurance. I needed insurance. I was out of insurance. It's a true story. I taught all through my graduate years as a neuroscience student. I had my first kid in grad school and I took my doctoral hood seven months pregnant with my second. And then I was tutoring, I was teaching, I taught neuroscience in the homeschool community. Here I was teaching with a kid strapped to my chest, budgeting, doing all the things that grown up people do, living in Los Angeles. And I was running out of health insurance and I figured, you know, if I can get like my Screen Actors Guild insurance, at least I can have some insurance. My, my husband at the time was a graduate student also. Like, we didn't, you know, people didn't make the kind of money in the 90s that they do now. It wasn't like you're set for life and you never have to work again.

[Justin]

What were your hopes or expectations when you got back in? Was it like, maybe I'll just do some commercials? Because, you know, you could just get a couple gigs and get insurance.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. I mean, again, like, commercials a little bit hard. Like, I'm a little recognizable in some ways, but no, I really was like, if I can get, like a guest spot on something, if I can just get. I mean, SAG insurance. Like, it's called SAG Afro now. It's pretty good. Like, right. Well, my first, I was on Bones. Did an episode of Bones, and then I did an episode of. What was it? I feel bad that I can't remember now, but I was like, girl number two. Like, I. I literally. I went and auditioned and I don't even. My character didn't even have a name. I had, like, two lines at the beginning of some crime show. And, yeah, like, it gets you insurance. And, you know, most casting directors were younger than me. They had no idea who Blossom was. I was just like an unusual looking lady who, at a size 6 8, was very large for the industry. And so it was like one of my auditions, one of my first auditions before I got Big Bang Theory, it was for zoftig, girl number two. Zoftig is the Yiddish word for, like, healthy.

[Justin]

Oh.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Mayim Bialik]

I was like, okay, I'm zoftig at a six eight. Got it.

[Justin]

Great.

[Mayim Bialik]

So the industry had changed a little bit. I got Big Bang Theory and I was just a guest star. You know, it was the end of season three. It was my episode, and then they brought me back in season four, and the week they made me a regular, I said to my manager, I think they're done with me. I don't think there's any more plot. And she was like, I don't know that that's true. And literally they called that week, and that was what reminded me I should never listen to myself or my instinct because I was like, they're done.

[Nick]

Remember, I've never believed in myself. I start now. Right.

[Mayim Bialik]

So, yeah, then they made me a regular. That's right. But fast forgetter. I'm a slow learner and a fast forgetter.

[Justin]

And then how many more seasons after that? I mean, you really became a focal point.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, I was on for nine years.

[Justin]

And it was at the time, it was the number one show on television.

[Mayim Bialik]

It was the number one comedy in Americ. Never had the sort of, like, critical acclaim that a lot of shows that are often popular get. But that was Just sort of the industry at the time, it was like, oh, that's like, for the fans. But you know what? We had unbelievable fans who loved our show. Jim Parsons got some Emmys. I was nominated four times for Big Bang Theory, Lost every time. I'm like the Susan Lucci of sitcoms.

[Justin]

Still pretty cool.

[Mayim Bialik]

Still pretty cool. But a lot of fancy dresses and a lot of stress for the red carpet to be like. And I lost. So those were my years. You know, I, I went from having a nursing baby and a toddler to having big kids. Like, that was nine years. So when people are like, what was that time? Like, that's what I think of. I think of like I was a mom and like pumping in my dressing room. And then by the time I was done, like I had almost bar mitzvah age kids. They're now 16 and 19.

[Justin]

Wow. Yeah. That's incredible. And now were you a fan of Jeopardy. Or did you also not watch that at all and just happened to host it?

[Mayim Bialik]

Um, I knew of Jeopardy. But I, I did not grow up in a Jeopardy. Watching family. Um, my parents are like quirky bohemian artists who were like, let's watch a Fellini film. Like, that was sort of movie night for us. But I, of course knew of Jeopardy. Had tremendous respect and reverence for it. But yeah, I got to host for two years. I was also working on a series that I was doing at the time. You know, after Big Bang Theory, I did a series for three years called Call me Kat for Fox. So yeah, I was balancing my time. That was an amazing opportunity especially. Cause I'm like kind of, I'm a ner. Like, I love learning all those things and I love getting to see the writers room and be part of, you know, putting together that show, meaning watching all the clues come together. And it's very stressful to read all those words, you know. But I enjoyed it as a deliverer.

[Justin]

And as a dyslexic person. Watching it, I was always like, I don't know how you do that.

[Nick]

How did you balance motherhood and being a full time working?

[Mayim Bialik]

I was married for part of my time on Big Bang Theory. And you know, he was, he got his master's. Like, we were both in grad school together. He was an at home parent, which at the time it was like, he's what a man staying at home. Isn't that emasculating? Isn't it weird? It might have been. But also like, that was what worked for us. We got divorced during the time I was on Big Bang Theory. And he still was our at home, you know, parent, which I think was a lovely arrangement for us. Even in our divorce. Our kids were homeschooled actually till like school, which is kind of interesting. So I did some of the teaching in the early years, but then, yeah, when I was working. Sitcom hours are great for having kids. Sitcom hours, you know, we work basically school hours. It was like nine to three, nine to four. We had one tape night. But that was actually really doable so that when I was home, I was home and on duty. Yeah, movie, like movie star schedule's very, very different. And even drama, like they shoot 16 hour days. Like that's not normal. So it's actually a really easy, you know, schedule. But we didn't have nannies or anything. Like that's also an option that people do. So it was kind of just him and me. And that's how we did it, you know, their whole lives.

[Nick]

Wow. Have either of them watched Big Bang Theory?

[Mayim Bialik]

No, they were too young at the time. Like some of the content was like a little. So they were still kind of young. And I guess I fall more on the socially conservative side of like, I don't need them hearing all these things at seven and even though it's like fun and it's funny. Right. But no, they would come when they got older. They would come to some run throughs and, and see me working that way. But we never really watched it. I mean, I think it's weird like, I mean they feel like it's weird to see their mom like that. And I think also when you're a kid, you really want to dislike your parents. It's kind of like a. It's part of the job description.

[Justin]

What age does that start?

[Mayim Bialik]

It's four and seven.

[Nick]

We have an almost one year old. So we're like planning for.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, it starts kind of early. I mean it depends, depends on their temperament. But yeah, I think they kind of don't want to be like, my mom's so cool. And look, I'll be honest, I have Instagram. I see all these celebrity parents whose kids are like, my mom is the coolest TV mom ever. Like, not my kids at all. They're like, I don't want to think about it. You look weird. My younger son used to say, no clown. When I would like show up in makeup or hair from work. No clown. No clown. He'd want me to, you know, like, take my makeup off and then it's like, that's mom.

[Justin]

Who are you?

[Mayim Bialik]

No clown.

[Nick]

No Clown.

[Justin]

No, clown.

[Mayim Bialik]

Clown.

[Nick]

Like, clown who. Where'd you get that word from? Why use that with me?

[Mayim Bialik]

Did not want mama looking like that. So, yeah, my kids were kind of not. Like I said, I've seen the Instagrams of all the celebrities. Their kids look so happy to be on the red carpet. And my kids are like.

[Justin]

And going forward, do you see yourself using your acting skills or PhD skills more in the future or both, maybe?

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, I've kind of, you know, know, my podcast sort of is presentational science. It's infotainment. It's, you know, a lot of honestly, the skills that I loved using on Jeopardy. Like, you know, I'm. I'm trained as a science communicator. Like, that's part of the training that you get, you know, as a grad student in. In neuroscience. And for me, it's very natural to communicate that way. So I think, like, for me, the podcast's a perfect combination of that, but I think I mostly use my science brain.

[Justin]

We need a new Bill Nye, you know?

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, we do.

[Justin]

He's overstayed as welcome.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, look, there's. There's. There's definitely. People like to get certain kinds of science from their dudes. I get it. And I think that's also part of what our podcast kind of tackles is that, like, there's the Peter Attias and there's the Hubermans, and there's, you know, all these, like, dudes and bros who will tell you things about your health and things like that. And I'm a lady doing that, you know, and it's different. And I think, especially for me as a woman, like, I don't always take in my content, science wise, from dudes the same way that I do if it's like, a woman. So, like, I kind of like having both options. I mean, Bill Nye's great, and he's super, super brilliant.

[Nick]

I feel like it's less that he's a man and more that he just had that catchy song, you know, I was gonna say still in my head.

[Emmy]

Ms. Frazzle raised me, like, for Magic School Bus.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Emmy]

I was like, okay, tell me all about what's happening inside.

[Mayim Bialik]

My body takes all kinds. You know, that's also my thing. It's like, it's not. It's. We're not a one size fits all, but. But, you know, for me, acting is something that people keep wanting me to do. I've never been trained to do it. I don't feel like I'm changing The world every time I step on a stage. But, you know, for me, like, the things that I do in, like, helping people, which I can do more as a scientist or helping people learn about themselves or learn about mental health or the environment or how it impacts us, like, that feels. I don't know, feels more meaningful to me. But that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy performing. But I'm not like a. I say there's two kinds of actors. There's the kinds that really. There's the kind that, like, live for the applause. Like, they want. They want that feedback. They want that, like, ooh, it feels good, and all that stuff that goes with it. And then there's actors who are like, are you happy, Mr. Director? You know, if you're happy, then we're good. Which is a much more kind of codependent approach to being a performer. Like, I feel good doing my job when you're happy with me doing my. My job, as opposed to, I feel good doing my job when you clap for me.

[Justin]

You're an actual scientist, too. I only say that because. And I love her, but my sister was a biology major and, like, worked in a lab for six months, and to.

[Rudy]

To.

[Justin]

To this day, she still refers to herself as a scientist anytime I refer.

[Mayim Bialik]

To her as a scientist. What's wrong with you?

[Justin]

She also refers to herself as a lab. She also refers to herself as a Somalia. Because she sold liquor for a year.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, that. I'm not with her. No, but I think when you're trained. When you're trained in science, you see the world differently. Like, you do. You just. You see the world differently, and you're a PhD. You're rolling your eyes at her. That's rude.

[Nick]

The more.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, that's not necessary.

[Justin]

She's a li. Anytime you just have a. I. I'm a scientist. I.

[Mayim Bialik]

She's a liquor scientist.

[Justin]

It's like, okay, you took one more class then than me.

[Mayim Bialik]

Tough crowd over here.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, it is.

[Justin]

Well, we thought it would be fun. I know you're not a pop culture fan, but since we wanted to.

[Mayim Bialik]

I hate pop culture. I'm not very literate.

[Justin]

Since you're a PhD and you don't need to be since you're a PhD, we love to use your PhD every this time going into the Bachelor season, the Bachelor releases the bios of the upcoming contestants. They always have these bizarre, random facts about them, and we just like to decide who we think. Think might go further than the other. There's no wrong answers.

[Mayim Bialik]

Is There, like you want me. Like a scale of 1 to 10. Do I have to look at them all or just. You just want to.

[Justin]

We just give. Yes. Goofy feedback. Not meant to be taken seriously. Some fans might take it seriously, but who knows? This is our bachelor. His name is Grant. Very nice fellow. Very handsome. We've had the pleasure of meeting him. Super down to earth.

[Mayim Bialik]

But this is the person on that hairdo.

[Justin]

This is the person. That is it. How many women is it? 25, 30?

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah, I think so.

[Justin]

25 to 30 women will be trying to get engaged to this man.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

In less than nine weeks.

[Emmy]

Welcome to pop culture.

[Justin]

How familiar are you? You're not familiar with the format at all?

[Mayim Bialik]

No.

[Justin]

I was on Break It Down.

[Mayim Bialik]

I heard. That's what I heard.

[Nick]

You're very handsome. I think that's a requirement to say. I think it's a requirement.

[Mayim Bialik]

You have a requirement of the show. Like, it's a.

[Billy]

A design.

[Mayim Bialik]

Desirable human.

[Justin]

Yeah. Looks help, for sure.

[Nick]

You know, you look healthy.

[Mayim Bialik]

You look totally.

[Justin]

There are plenty of people who didn't think I qualified, so.

[Mayim Bialik]

Why?

[Justin]

Well, you know, everyone's a critic.

[Mayim Bialik]

Were you single?

[Justin]

Yeah. No. And you're a bachelor? No. They didn't think I. I looked the part.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, well, they can hide behind their computers all they want.

[Emmy]

Exactly.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, go ahead. What's the premise?

[Justin]

Yeah, 25 to 30 women show up.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

And night one.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

You know, they come out. They. Sometimes people like myself. I blacked out and was really nervous. Some people hang. Glide down, you know, like, they. The producers will call you up.

[Mayim Bialik]

This lady Gaga down.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Like, kind of sparkly zoom. Yeah.

[Justin]

The producer, when I. He's like, so what do you want to do? I'm like, well, I was just going to, like, introduce myself. They're like, well, you know, we could, you know, if we're not sure. But if you want to, like, you know, parachute in or something, like, you never know. Like, we all like to do is ask. So sometimes they will do a stunt.

[Mayim Bialik]

That was their way of saying you're not memorable enough in your face. They want like a big.

[Emmy]

Exactly.

[Justin]

Actually, one producer literally said that.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, so the guy comes in. I'm serious. Like, and then the show. How many episodes is this? It's a season 12.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay. And so people get eliminated. Is that what happens?

[Nick]

Sends people home.

[Emmy]

So these women are all going to get out of multiple limos and they're going to try to make their big first impression while introducing.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's who should be parachuting in.

[Justin]

And they Get. And they get night one. Anywhere from zero seconds to two minutes of time. Time to. To make a connection. One person gets what's called the first impression rose. They're safe. And then at the end of the night, the Bacher gets a bunch, hands out roses, and if you don't get a rose, you go home.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Nick]

And then by the end of it.

[Mayim Bialik]

He proposes to one person.

[Nick]

To one person, and they are engaged.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, okay.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Justin]

And then the final four weeks, there's what's called hometown weeks, where the final four.

[Mayim Bialik]

No, they, they, you, You.

[Justin]

They. They. You get to meet their families.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And then it's super weird. This is the worst. Because then the Bachelor has to fake ask for the blessing of a bunch of people he has no intentions of getting engaged to. And then the third week, fantasy suite week, and you have an overnight night with each other off camera. Sometimes the sex, sometimes not the sex. It really is.

[Mayim Bialik]

What if somebody gets pregnant?

[Justin]

We've been hoping, you know, like, okay, that would be.

[Nick]

So.

[Mayim Bialik]

Sorry, I'm supposed to say, like, oh, just use birth control. But I have to tell my kids the only way not to get pregnant.

[Justin]

On my. There were a couple covers, I think, like Star magazine or whatever are in touch claiming that I might have.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh.

[Justin]

Gotten one of the people pregnant. Yeah. That was a.

[Nick]

On your season.

[Justin]

No, the Bachelorette season. It was like the runner. I was the runner up. Runner up. Got. You know, that was the in touch week.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

Or whatever.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm ready. But here we go.

[Nick]

All right.

[Emmy]

This is Alex. She's 27.

[Mayim Bialik]

Why there an extra E at the end of her name?

[Nick]

I feel like it's the Lexi.

[Justin]

You already got this. The game down.

[Nick]

It's definitely not out.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

We don't know.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, Alexa.

[Nick]

Alexi.

[Emmy]

Alexi.

[Justin]

It really could be either or.

[Mayim Bialik]

This really feels.

[Emmy]

I feel like this is like an Alex with a silent E. But. Okay, we're gonna do Alexi.

[Nick]

She loves ketchup chips, so I feel like that is.

[Justin]

She's a ketchup kid.

[Nick]

Yeah, she's a ketchup kid.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Justin]

Fickle.

[Mayim Bialik]

She's Canadian. Pediatric speech therapist. How do you feel about that with kids?

[Nick]

She's good with kids.

[Justin]

She's bossy.

[Mayim Bialik]

What's wrong? Why doesn't she do karaoke?

[Nick]

I got questions, and it's like, doesn't do karaoke ever.

[Mayim Bialik]

Maybe it means she's such a good singer that it's embarrassing to the other people.

[Justin]

She's no fun.

[Mayim Bialik]

I love her.

[Nick]

Yeah. She's selfless.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm into It.

[Nick]

All right. Me too.

[Mayim Bialik]

Hey, Ali Jo.

[Emmy]

Next we've got Ali Jo. She's a boxing trainer from New Jersey.

[Justin]

That means he works at rumble.

[Mayim Bialik]

I can't pronounce.

[Nick]

She has dreams of shopping in Dubai. Buy.

[Mayim Bialik]

What does that mean?

[Nick]

She's got money.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh. Or wants to be with someone or whoever she ends.

[Justin]

Or. Or Grant better have. Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

How can you be very organized but terrible at folding?

[Mayim Bialik]

I. Tiffany Amber Thiessen vibes.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, she does. Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

In a good way. It's a positive thing.

[Justin]

I mean, that's. I think there's only could be one way.

[Mayim Bialik]

Because you're a child of the 90s.

[Justin]

Yes. She was definitely for me.

[Emmy]

And you will never see her leave the house without lips stick on same.

[Nick]

Well, honestly. Yeah. Relatable.

[Mayim Bialik]

She and I are like the same person, basically.

[Nick]

That's Ali Jo. Ever Alicia. So she's an interior designer from Florida, and I think the fact that she drove a Barbie pink vest in college says enough for me.

[Mayim Bialik]

Cool.

[Nick]

She's a pumpkin spice season queen.

[Mayim Bialik]

What does that Pumpkin spice.

[Justin]

I don't mean to be mean, but this screams basic all the way down the board.

[Emmy]

Excited every time October Twitter comes around.

[Mayim Bialik]

What is. Oh, it's like people who like everything. Pumpkin spice.

[Nick]

Like, yeah, y'all.

[Mayim Bialik]

What's a typical Scorpio?

[Justin]

She's a top 40s girl for sure.

[Mayim Bialik]

I don't know enough about astrology, but she does.

[Kaylee]

She.

[Nick]

No, she knows enough about herself. Oh, there you go. She knows the Scorpios are mysterious.

[Mayim Bialik]

You know, I'm saying hi to them as if they're. Hi, Bailey.

[Nick]

Hi, Bailey. Nice to meet you. You're a social. Social media manager.

[Mayim Bialik]

Love that.

[Nick]

From Atlanta.

[Justin]

Well, is she there for the right reasons, though? Because if, you know, knows about social media, probably. Is she really there for love or is she there for the followers?

[Mayim Bialik]

She knows what angle needs to happen whenever she's in a scene.

[Justin]

Does she already have a blue check mark?

[Nick]

I relate to her because her comfort items include bread and a heating pad. And if I'm not falling asleep with a heating pad on me, I won't be asleep.

[Mayim Bialik]

If I'm not falling asleep with a piece of bread on me, I'm not falling asleep.

[Nick]

So we love Bailey.

[Mayim Bialik]

Wait. Once took a.

[Emmy]

Once took a flight solely for the purpose of leveling up her status with an airline.

[Justin]

I respect that she dreams of seeing a polar bear in real life.

[Mayim Bialik]

She's ambitious.

[Justin]

Been to the zoo?

[Nick]

I don't think.

[Mayim Bialik]

No. She wants, like, technically in the wild state.

[Justin]

Well, it doesn't say in the wild. Says in real life.

[Mayim Bialik]

Wow, bro. Wow. Just judgy.

[Nick]

Yeah, that is Judgy Beverly.

[Mayim Bialik]

Insurance name.

[Nick]

Really?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

That is my mom, actually.

[Nick]

What is Bev doing? Insurance salesperson. Her fun facts include closet, is color coordinators, so is story. I feel like if your closet isn't color coordinated. Coordinated. You need to grow up.

[Mayim Bialik]

If your closet doesn't look like your waiting room bookshelf, you don't want to see you.

[Nick]

Exactly. That was my doing.

[Rudy]

Lovely.

[Nick]

Thank you.

[Mayim Bialik]

My house is like that too. I color block the books.

[Nick]

You have to color block the books. Her first concept is Jonas Brothers. Jonas Brothers aspires.

[Justin]

She's got good dance.

[Mayim Bialik]

Aspires to visit all seven continents. I like that.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mayim Bialik]

I just like the name Beverly. Like, do we call her Bev? My mom's nickname's Bevy. Oh. We've moved on to Carolina.

[Nick]

We're done. Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Carolina.

[Justin]

Carolina.

[Emmy]

Carolina, Carolina.

[Nick]

She's from Puerto Rico. She's a PR producer.

[Kaylee]

Oh.

[Nick]

Don't know what that means. But she describes her vibe as cool grandma. Her pet peeve is menus with no photos. I can stand by that. I do want to see a photo of what I am reading.

[Kaylee]

Why?

[Mayim Bialik]

It's never gonna look like that when it comes out of the kitchen.

[Nick]

There's a lot of times I don't know.

[Justin]

Oh, no, really.

[Nick]

I don't like the pictures.

[Justin]

If it has a picture picture, it's giving Cheesecake Factory and I don't want to be there.

[Rudy]

Totally.

[Nick]

She has dreams of being roasted by Nikki Glazer.

[Mayim Bialik]

How would she do that? By becoming.

[Emmy]

Going on the Bachelor.

[Nick]

By winning the Bachelor.

[Justin]

She wants to be famous.

[Mayim Bialik]

Being in the Golden Globes.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Nick]

And giving maybe not right reasons.

[Justin]

Maybe.

[Nick]

Well, maybe I feel like Nikki Glazer.

[Mayim Bialik]

Wouldn'T roast a cool grandma.

[Nick]

A cool grandma. She wouldn't.

[Mayim Bialik]

From Puerto Rico.

[Nick]

She wouldn't.

[Justin]

Nikki would gross anyone. We'll have Nikki on, and maybe we'll get Carolina on, and maybe we'll make her dream come true.

[Nick]

Chloe with an eye.

[Justin]

Can we back Got an extra vowel in the slightest possible way. Doesn't Carolina kind of give a little Sarah Paulson?

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Chloe with every vowel she could possibly find. Model 27. You know what I. This is Serena Kerrigan's ex assistant.

[Justin]

Oh, really?

[Rudy]

Yes.

[Justin]

Friend of.

[Mayim Bialik]

Friend of show.

[Nick]

Friend of show. She posted that this was her ex assistant. I wonder why. Ex. Why did she fire you? Went on the Bachelor or why'd she quit? Yeah, she loves dirty martini.

[Justin]

Move on. I don't know.

[Nick]

Still Sleeps with her baby blanket. How Hashtag no shame. Did she write the hashtag There should.

[Justin]

Be a little shame?

[Nick]

Dreams of seeing herself on a billboard in New York City. These are some.

[Emmy]

She's here for the right reasons.

[Nick]

Yeah, these they are.

[Mayim Bialik]

Except she's a model and she's in New York. It makes sense.

[Nick]

Okay, you're right.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'd worry if she didn't dream of seeing herself on a billboard in New York City.

[Nick]

Okay, you're right. Christina, 26, marketing director from Fargo.

[Mayim Bialik]

Kirsten Dunst. Vibes.

[Justin]

Very Kristen Dunst.

[Nick]

Very Kristen Dunst.

[Justin]

Spoo Also was in Fargo.

[Mayim Bialik]

Look at that.

[Justin]

Season two.

[Mayim Bialik]

I don't know.

[Justin]

That's a deep.

[Rudy]

True.

[Nick]

That's true. She hopes to start a clothing line inspired by her grandparents.

[Mayim Bialik]

She needs to talk to cool grandma lady.

[Nick]

She does need to talk to cool grandma lady, but I also want to know why her grandparents are, like, 50.

[Mayim Bialik]

They're, like, 50 years old. Like, they're not that old. Sorry.

[Nick]

You're not wrong. All right, we have Dina. She's an attorney from Chicago. Has never met anyone who is cleaner and more organized than she is. Is competition.

[Mayim Bialik]

That could mean nothing. Maybe she hasn't met enough people.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah. Wishes she had more time to read for fun.

[Mayim Bialik]

She's an attorney. She's very busy prosecuting things.

[Justin]

That screams teacher's pet. I'm the best at being organized, and.

[Nick]

She just has more time to read for fun. I guess she does probably read a lot of, like, boring the things that lawyers read. Right? Yeah. They're not. They're not reading.

[Justin]

She needs some smut in her life.

[Nick]

A court thorn of roses claims. Yeah. Ella, 25, luxury travel host from LA.

[Mayim Bialik]

What does that mean?

[Nick]

I don't know. She loves to play badminton. She prefers glamping over camping. Growing up, Ella's fave look was a shirt with Justin Bieber's face on it.

[Emmy]

Okay, okay.

[Mayim Bialik]

These aren't. These aren't easy fun facts for me to work with.

[Nick]

Yeah, what would be your fun facts?

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, never seen The Bachelor. Okay. PhD in neuroscience.

[Nick]

Perfect. No one is color coordinated.

[Justin]

Closet.

[Mayim Bialik]

I am a very organized person.

[Nick]

Okay. Janae, 28, account coordinator from Colorado.

[Justin]

That's very vague.

[Mayim Bialik]

Mostly I want to know what she's holding in her right hand that got cut off in the picture.

[Nick]

Has a rose tattoo on her forearm. Coincidence. Hmm. So do I. And it's also not a coincidence that I married a bachelor and have of a rose tattoo.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, it's a foreshadowing.

[Nick]

It is a foreshadowing.

[Justin]

I think it is a coincidence.

[Nick]

Mine.

[Justin]

Well, you had it before you met me, which made you had a coincidence.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Maddie]

Or just manifestation.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, the best kind of coincidence. The universe's coincidence.

[Nick]

I did. I manifested that I would marry a bachelor. Her love language is FaceTime. Okay, that's weird.

[Mayim Bialik]

You feel weird about that? I can see it on his face. He's like. Like, that's weird.

[Nick]

Why don't you love that? Her love language is FaceTime.

[Mayim Bialik]

No, that wasn't.

[Nick]

Oh. Juliana, 28, client service associate from Newton, Massachusetts.

[Mayim Bialik]

What's a client service associate?

[Nick]

Yeah, I feel like here's what I've.

[Justin]

Learned about these bios. There's a lot of fake jobs.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, yeah.

[Emmy]

Just throw three words that make sense. Like they're two words that make sense. And then just throw associate at the end.

[Justin]

Or account manager.

[Mayim Bialik]

Professional.

[Nick]

And you're good.

[Mayim Bialik]

Client service associate.

[Nick]

Okay. I mean, she wants to own a dog friendly bar one day and. And I'm here for it. I guess people are bringing their dogs anyways, right? I don't know who's turning down dogs these days.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Nick]

Is there a place in the United States that says no dogs?

[Justin]

Is that. Is that nice for dogs?

[Mayim Bialik]

There's like, we want to be wherever. Yeah.

[Nick]

Are there a bunch of dog beds and like toys laying around?

[Justin]

Is there loud music playing?

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, maybe like a. It's like a cat cafe, but a dog friendly bar.

[Nick]

Right, right. Kelsey, 26, interior designer from Brooklyn, New York. She wants a study empire building under Kris Jenner.

[Justin]

Oh, she wants to build an empire like Kris Jenner.

[Nick]

Oh.

[Mayim Bialik]

Loves to spend her summers in Martha's Vineyard. That's nice.

[Nick]

Kylie, 26, retail manager from Wilmington, North Carolina. She lived in Uganda for four months and her favorite movie is Pearl Harbor.

[Mayim Bialik]

Interesting.

[Nick]

And loves dreams.

[Justin]

I'm very interested in this Uganda, period.

[Mayim Bialik]

This is a good combination of facts. Line dancing. Pearl Harbor Harbor.

[Justin]

Uganda.

[Mayim Bialik]

Uganda.

[Justin]

I honestly personally wish Pearl harbor would have gotten more in the history of Pearl harbor, less the love story. But that's just my take on the movie.

[Nick]

All right. Latia, venture capitalist from Salt Lake City, is an incredibly fast swimmer. Loves a good personality test.

[Justin]

By whose standards?

[Emmy]

Personality test.

[Nick]

Loves being outside, but hates hiking.

[Mayim Bialik]

Like, truly loathes it because she's such a fast swimmer.

[Kaylee]

Why hike when you.

[Nick]

Exactly. Why would you.

[Justin]

I do think hiking is a bit overrated. Especially. Especially in la. People talk about hiking as if it's like some sort of.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, Salt Lake City's got a lot of mountains. Like, good hiking there.

[Justin]

Yeah. I'M sure.

[Nick]

But it's just Natalie. Love her. From the. From the jump. PhD student. You love her.

[Justin]

What?

[Mayim Bialik]

We don't know.

[Nick]

We don't know because it's not one.

[Justin]

How committed is she really? If she's.

[Mayim Bialik]

She's from Louisville.

[Nick]

That's true. She's still a student. She's not a breakfast person. Her love language is gift givings. And she's a Seattle Seahawks fan.

[Mayim Bialik]

A lot going on there.

[Nick]

Okay. Natalie N. Pediatrician.

[Mayim Bialik]

We love a doctor.

[Nick]

We immediately love her. From South Carolina. Always wanted to be a spy.

[Emmy]

I get that.

[Nick]

Would love an invite to the annual.

[Mayim Bialik]

Kardashians spy on him. That's all I hear. Spy on him.

[Nick]

She wants. She wants an invite to the Kardashians Christmas party.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Nick]

Loves experimenting with different coffees. I cannot relate. I feel like you find one and you're good, right? Why would you.

[Mayim Bialik]

I just like that she's a beautiful pediatrician. It's a special kind of human that wants to deal with all those sick kids.

[Nick]

And also, I feel like pediatrician is hard. You gotta like.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, they.

[Nick]

They are. I mean, after our pediatrician had to look in our daughter's ears one too many times. She hates him. So.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know.

[Mayim Bialik]

Get a lot of small people hating you.

[Nick]

Parisa. Pediatric. There's a lot of pediatrics.

[Mayim Bialik]

This is our third pediatric.

[Nick]

This is our third.

[Mayim Bialik]

We had a speech therapist, a pediatrician, and now a pediatric behavior analyst.

[Justin]

They love the healthcare industry on the Bachelor. A lot of nurses, typically. Yeah. I mean, if they can get a doctor, they'll take one.

[Nick]

She has a rock collection.

[Mayim Bialik]

I have a rock collection.

[Nick]

You do? Is this like a.

[Mayim Bialik]

It's from when I was a kid, but I do like rocks and pretty things.

[Justin]

I took geography. Is it geology? Freshman year of college. And I thought it was going to be rocks for jocks. Hardest class ever.

[Mayim Bialik]

It's a lot of memorization.

[Justin]

I did not do well. I just. My professor was like. He just was all over the place. And I was like, what am I supposed to take roots on? You know?

[Mayim Bialik]

They're all over the place.

[Justin]

That's true. Yeah. We took a field trip. Doesn't she have an intense gaze?

[Mayim Bialik]

She. She does so whiz with PowerPoint that.

[Justin]

That tracks based off her gaze. She's just looking right at you.

[Nick]

That's. That's also talent to be able to be a wiz with PowerPoint. And I. I wonder if. If she was nervous with the Tik Tok shutdown for the 12 hours. Was she like super high strung? She Couldn't relax.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's true. She had no way to relax.

[Nick]

She had no. No way.

[Justin]

In what world does TikTok make you relax?

[Nick]

Organization, content, she says.

[Justin]

Oh, okay. I do like the cooking videos.

[Nick]

Radhika is an attorney in New York. She brunches regularly. Oh, that's expensive.

[Mayim Bialik]

In New York that means day drinking.

[Justin]

We all know what that means.

[Nick]

Bucket list item is to kiss someone in the rain. She is going to the right place. They will be pouring water on her and Grant in no time.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, she likes Harry Potter.

[Emmy]

Yep.

[Mayim Bialik]

Like that.

[Emmy]

Big fan.

[Nick]

Rebecca, 31, ICU nurse from Dallas. Has never met an animal she didn't like.

[Emmy]

ICU nurse.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's intense. Always aims to be the best dressed person in the room. Oh, she's going to. We're going to have to.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's.

[Justin]

She's going to potential freak out night one.

[Nick]

Yeah. Of like holy fuck. What? What are you wearing?

[Justin]

On my season the Bachelor. So like, you know though all the contestants will like go to the producers, like, do you like my dress? And so I, the producers, I refer to them as the French. Who wants you to buy the boat.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yes.

[Justin]

You know.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Not really there for good advice, but they're, they're there to encourage you to, you know, whatever direction you want to go that are to make you feel good about it. So like half the women came out in red dresses and you can, you just knew that they were like, this is the dress I want to wear. And any other real friend would have been like, you know, maybe different color. So but they're all like, for sure. Yes. Red. So then they could all freak out about how, how they were wearing red dresses.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's how the sausage is made.

[Justin]

That's how it's made.

[Nick]

And we have an RN Rose. I wonder if her name is a coincidence to her going on the show. She admits she's a terrible dancer and thinks Julie Andrews is the goat.

[Mayim Bialik]

Interesting fact that. Got to know more about that. A 27 year old who likes Julie Andrews. There's a story there. There is a story there that's like Sound of Music. Mary Poppins. Poppins.

[Justin]

Deep. Great films.

[Nick]

Great films. Seraphina. I feel like she has to be a mermaid. Associate media director.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Kaylee]

What is that?

[Mayim Bialik]

I don't know.

[Justin]

Another fake job.

[Nick]

She really wants to learn how to play tennis. Rocked a bob during her college years.

[Justin]

I know there's a tennis court like in every neighborhood.

[Nick]

Has seen every episode of Grey's Anatomy at least three times.

[Mayim Bialik]

Interesting.

[Nick]

That's. She must have a lot of free time, because that is a lot of TV to have to.

[Mayim Bialik]

They're still going.

[Nick]

They're still going. Correct. Also, she's in New York. There might not be a. A tennis court. There's not a tennis court in every neighborhood in New York.

[Mayim Bialik]

There's clubs.

[Nick]

All right. Savannah, wedding planner.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, that's fun. They got to get married, too.

[Nick]

Her. She's from Charlottesville, Virginia. She loves a competitive game of charades. Needs.

[Mayim Bialik]

She doesn't like a non competitive game.

[Nick]

Yeah, she wants everyone to be as invested as she is.

[Justin]

Yelling at each other, screaming, yeah.

[Nick]

Dreams of planning the Met gala.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, that's fun.

[Nick]

That is fun.

[Mayim Bialik]

Interesting.

[Nick]

Has a serious fear of owls. What did they ever do to you? Vicky, 28, nightclub server in Las Vegas.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Nick]

Takes pride in her calves of steel.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick]

Would love to see those. Not herself without lip liner. Her and our girl who doesn't leave the house without lipstick would be.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, yes.

[Nick]

And she wants to live on a vineyard in Italy.

[Maddie]

Wow.

[Emmy]

Me too.

[Nick]

All right, and our last woman of grant season. Zoe, 27, tech engineer and model.

[Emmy]

Okay. Beauty and brains.

[Nick]

There we go. Nothing makes her happier than puppies and babies.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, okay.

[Nick]

Can't and won't live without tacos.

[Mayim Bialik]

I won't ask her to.

[Nick]

I won't ask her to either. And honestly, I can't and I won't either. Was the first female wrestler to join her high school wrestling team.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's pretty cool.

[Nick]

Badass.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's really cool.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Justin]

Like, real wrestling, not the. The. The fake stuff.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Emmy]

Cauliflower ear.

[Mayim Bialik]

Not wwf.

[Nick]

Who do we feel like is our. Our Grant's front runner? Did anyone stand out to you?

[Mayim Bialik]

I don't know.

[Nick]

No. You don't remember anyone?

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, I.

[Nick]

There's no wrong answer.

[Mayim Bialik]

Um, I mean, I. I'm kind of a sucker for, like. Like the pediatrician.

[Nick]

I feel like you have to go with Natalie because she's a PhD student. You have to stick with your PhD.

[Mayim Bialik]

I like Nisi.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm gonna call it right now.

[Nick]

Nisi. Okay. I feel like she's definitely.

[Mayim Bialik]

But they all seem lovely.

[Justin]

Kelsey. Juliana.

[Nick]

Juliana.

[Justin]

Where's Grant live?

[Maddie]

Currently lives in Texas.

[Nick]

Oh, there was one girl from Dallas.

[Justin]

Okay, so.

[Nick]

So maybe that's.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, you could move for love. I would.

[Emmy]

It has been done before. Yeah, I think.

[Rudy]

I mean.

[Nick]

Okay, well, you know, a lot of.

[Mayim Bialik]

These jobs could happen in a lot of places.

[Justin]

Who's your villain?

[Nick]

Oh, boy. Ali Jo.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, you think it's the sparkles on her top?

[Nick]

I feel like Ali Jo. Because she's a boxing trainer. Is gonna have some beef with Zoe because Zoe was the wrestling team. And wrestling. And boxing. I feel like kind of combating. Yeah.

[Justin]

And as a boxing tr. Pro, Very vocal. Very, like, afraid to speak up. That can definitely rub people the wrong way in a house like that. So. Okay, good guess.

[Mayim Bialik]

They all live together.

[Nick]

They all live together.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, for the duration.

[Emmy]

In bunk beds.

[Justin]

Well, until. Until hometowns.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, then. Okay.

[Justin]

Because then it's all about love.

[Nick]

How much do you want to bet they're going to make Savannah, who has a serious fear of owls, do a photo shoot with owls?

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, that's sad. See how she.

[Justin]

It's a good bet.

[Mayim Bialik]

Operates under pressure.

[Billy]

Mm.

[Mayim Bialik]

Very stressful.

[Nick]

All right, well, we'll see.

[Justin]

Well, best of luck to all these ladies. Sure. I mean, I know their season's wrapped, so. But in our minds, we look forward to seeing how their love unfolds on Tuesday.

[Emmy]

How the journey.

[Justin]

Well, it's on Monday night. We'll talk about it on Tuesday. Mayim, this has been so much fun.

[Mayim Bialik]

Thank you for having me.

[Justin]

Thank you for taking the time. Anything you want to plug, promote, put out there?

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. Our podcast, Mayambialics Breakdown. You can watch it. We also have four cameras for our podcast, so you can watch it on my YouTube channel or, like, Spotify or wherever you get podcasts and our Instagrams at Bialik Breakdown. I think that's kind of it. Yeah.

[Justin]

Incredible.

[Nick]

Lovely.

[Justin]

Well, thank you for taking the time. It's been so much fun to have you on.

[Mayim Bialik]

Thank you.

[Justin]

All right, well, that's a lot of fun with Mayim. We love a good a bachelor roundup, especially with someone who's never seen the show. Tons of fun. We love her. Up next, Very excited about this. If you aren't watching Special Forces, you are definitely missing out. But Two of the DSEs, Rudy and Billy, two men who kicked my ass for a week of my life, are with us. They have some amazing stories. They are the most dynamic. And, you know, if you're watching Special Forces and you see them yelling at people like Cam Newton and myself and Tyler, they are just big old teddy bears with some fascinating stories and some great life lessons. So they're up next. Caraway. We've talked about their amazing pots and pans for years now, and that's been because every night, Natalie and I are cooking on caraway, and you should be too. What's crazy is how many pots and pans are out there that you can buy that are not safe for you and your family. They are full of PFAs, PTFEs and other hard to pronounce not safe chemicals. But not with caraway. It's non toxic cookware. It's easy to clean. They look great. They come in an assortment of colors that are easy to store. We have the ceramic and the stainless steel set. We love caraway. So much so that we made sure that also at the lake we had a caraway set so that we could be sure they were cooking on caraway even when we're at the lake. Caraway's cookware set is a favorite for a reason. It will save you 150 versus buying the items individually. Plus if you visit carawayhome.comv I A L L 10 you can take an additional 10 off your next purchase. This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit CarrieHome.com v I a l l 10 or use code v I a l l 110 at checkout. Caraway Non Toxic Cookware Made Modern.

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[Rudy]

Yes.

[Justin]

Welcome to the show. It's great to finally have you on.

[Kaylee]

It's great to be here. It's good to now be into your arena.

[Justin]

I feel like I'm a little bit in the driver's seat after being afraid of you guys for.

[Rudy]

Oh, brother.

[Justin]

Oh, brother.

[Rudy]

Thank you all. We've been fans after the second season. I watched when you had Tom Sandoval and some of the other cats on.

[Justin]

Did you watch the Tom Sandoval? I did that one.

[Rudy]

Trippy.

[Justin]

That one made some waves.

[Rudy]

Trippy. I liked his friend.

[Nick]

Oh, Schwartz.

[Rudy]

Schwartz. Yeah.

[Justin]

His. His friend has been looking after Tom for a while.

[Rudy]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

Somebody has to.

[Rudy]

Yeah. That's what Billy. I got Billy for.

[Kaylee]

I know that feeling.

[Rudy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It is so funny to you guys here and just to see your realist personalities. Yeah. I feel like y'all are so scary and intimidating and kind of like funny in a way just because it's so. The stuff that y'all come up with to say is so mean and so bizarre.

[Justin]

That's cool. Humor.

[Nick]

It's funny.

[Rudy]

It's called British humor. It's British humor.

[Nick]

Humor.

[Kaylee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

What has this season of Special Forces been like for y'all?

[Kaylee]

It's been challenging. It's been. It's been brutal. I use that word a lot, but it has and it gets more and more intense every time we do it. Not to take away from all the people like yourselves, your course, but every time we do, it does get more intense. And the reason that is because we follow the ethos of the real Special Forces. And every time we do a job, a task, a course, we look at what could we have done to make it better Generally, that means make it hard.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Kaylee]

And to get them, it's all about getting the most out of the people that come on it. That's what it's about. And we look at. We analyze every task we do, everything we do and go. Right. You know what? We'll. That didn't work too great this time. Let's add this. So it's. It's more intense, I think, and I think it works on both sides for us. We. We make it better if we can. The camera people team who now, you know, get more experience. Look at. They realize what worked and didn't, what the core, what they didn't. So I guess it does. The whole thing, you know, evolves literally to a better pace every time we do it. Not to say it's any. The experience for the people on it is as odd as it always will be. There's no compensation for anything. Male, female, weights. Everybody does exactly the same as nickel.

[Justin]

Everyone carries the same.

[Kaylee]

Yeah, you do.

[Justin]

They don't play favorites. It's. It's. It's really.

[Rudy]

And the weather does not discriminate. The conditions don't discriminate. They all go through the same pain, misery, and suffering. But it's also cool that you all are part of a lineage. Just like in our world, our courses and our generations of operators. It's a lineage. We're a part of those that went before, and now the younger war fighters have learned from us. So it's the same thing.

[Kaylee]

It's very military. You're right. Thinking about it now, Nick, you'll look at the. Our course was harder than this. It was tougher when we did it.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

That's what we are. And everybody does the same. You know, when I first joined the army, me, their selection was harder than ours. Their war fighting was harder than ours. You're like, whatever, now I'm doing it to the young. Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

For my audience. Can you guys talk a little bit about your background in terms of where you know, your military experience and the, you know, the places you guys came from?

[Kaylee]

Do you want me to go first?

[Rudy]

Go first.

[Kaylee]

Okay. So I'm Billy Billingham, British, born in the uk, born into a family of five in the West Midlands. A very poor, poor family. I was the middle child, which means I'm different. Middle children are different. We are rogue. And I was rogue. So where I grew up, it was all gangs at the time. And I gravitated. Yeah, Seriously, I gravitated towards that. Thinking that was, you know, those guys with a name in the street and everyone knew him. And I thought, I want to be like that guy. Of course, looking back, I was wrong. But that's where I was going. At the age of nine, I joined gang and I end up stealing from an old man who kind of changed my life even at an early age. Rather than giving me a good hiding, he took me to the side and said, listen, there's something about you. I want to come, I want you to come to my boxing gym at the age of nine. And I went, you know, if you could imagine a 9 year old today doing what I did, you got to think about this. I stole from an old man who, rather than giving me an idea, tells me to go to a boxing club which is in a pub downtown, three miles from, from my house in the snow in February, pitch black. I'm nine years old, walking down to meet an old man at the back of a pub that I stole a hat from. He took me in the gym, taught me all about boxing and I won't go too deep into all this, but what he said to me was, boxing is not a sport of brutality. Boxing is a poor man's game of chess. It's about reading what's in front of you, having respect for what's in front of you, having respect for yourself, the sport. It's about anticipating the next move and always being one step ahead. And his final words to me said, no matter how good you are or think you are, you will have a moment where it's going to be hard and you'll feel you can't do it. You've got to say to yourself, I can go always a little further. And you will answer, reason we do what on the show. 20 years later, I joined the SAS on the clock Tower, which is a tower where people's names go on. If you don't survive, or my unfallen comrades are on there, you know, you have to beat the clock. That's the saying. On the day I joined the sas, I went and read the collect and the final words underneath was always a little further. And I went back to be nine years old and the airs on the back of my neck. And that's my mantra. I've gone off at a tangent. That's how I was growing up. 13, I got thrown out of school. 11, I was in juvenile court for being in a gang, fighting, you know, you know, I was shaming on my family. I was putting a lot of pressure on my mom and dad. And I knew I was, you know, my mom has everything mom does. He Got in with her own crowd. I was the wrong crowd. I knew I was doing. And kids do know. So there's lesson one. Don't let people make excuses for you. Own it. Eleven in court. Thirteen. I have a great idea in school to be the hero. I glued the maths teacher to the chair. It didn't go down very well. True. And I got thrown out of school. So my education stopped. At 13 years old, I ended up working in a factory illegally. At 15, earning money. And then at 15 again, my whole life changed. The fighting got out control. I got stabbed and nearly died. And when I was recovering from that, I remember looking at my mum and dad and my family who'd been told he's probably going to die. And I could hear everything going on inside my head, but I couldn't react to it. And I just said to myself, I've got to change my life. I need new direction. I've got to go to the military. So when I recovered a little bit later, it took a while. Then I got injured working in a factory, which I. I won't go into. I then joined the army at 17 and the army. Day one of joining the army, I'd left my hometown where I thought was a big fish in a small pond. I had a reputation. I was now stood in front of real men. My instructor, I remember looking at him on day one, he had a big scar across his face. He'd been shot in the Falklands. He was still healing, but there was an awe of respect all around him. And I remember looking at him thinking, I want people to feel about me the way I feel about that man there. And I said to myself, this is going to be horrendous. I was the youngest, I was the skinniest and I was the mouthiest. And I thought, that guy. And I thought to myself, there's no way I'm going out that gate unless they throw me out or I die. I've got to do this and that. And I did. And we started with 77, 0 and we finished with 7. And I was one of those seven. And then I had a great career with the parish regiment. Joined this regiment, joined came to Belize, my very first trip. I'd never been to America. Yeah, I've never been out my hometown. I'd never. The only time I'd ever seen an aircraft is when it flew overhead. I've now been on an aircraft nine times and never landed once. I've been thrown out the friggin door. And then all of a sudden I'm landed in an aircraft in a place called Belize, Central America. Now, when I got told I'm going to my battalion and they're in America, that's all I heard. I didn't hear Central America, I just heard American. I thought, ooh, chicks, sand, beer.

[Justin]

This is. This is. I made it.

[Kaylee]

I'm coming to California. Wrong. So I called my mum and I said, mom, I'm going to America. She said, that's fantastic. Whereabout? And I went, central America. She goes, okay, calm down. Central America. Where exactly? I went, Belize. She went, you clown, you're going to the jungle. I went, what? She said, if you'd have gone to school and learned geography, you know where you're going. So I end up in Belize. I have this, and now came to America for the first time at 17 years old. 18. 18 years old. And I went to Fort Lauderdale. It was called. There was a thing called the Strip. Is it still the same? I don't know.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

Oh, man, it was chaotic. I was 17, I was drunk as a skunk. And obviously he's not supposed to drink till you're 21. I had a great time. First trip to America followed these people who had all been to war and conflict. And I learned a lot from these people. And then I climbed the ladder. Over a nine year period, I'd been in conflict myself. Now I'd led operations.

[Justin]

People pow.

[Kaylee]

I was. Yeah, that was later on, though. And then, yeah, nine years. Around nine years, I kind of reached my ceiling with that regiment who were fantastic. I say reach my ceiling. I wanted more challenge. I wanted to go somewhere different. Didn't know a lot about Special Forces, which most people don't. I knew enough to say, it's a challenge, I want to do it. So I did. Went on selection in 92. Beginning of 92, 283 of us started, seven of us finished. And I went to a squadron called B Squadron, which is famous for the Iranian embassy. I don't know if you know all about that. That was the first time Special Forces ever heard of on TV and around the nation. So I went to that squadron and I had a wonderful career. I did everything from hostage release to indicting people for war crimes to whatever and decorated by the Queen a couple times and stuff like that. But it was great. It was just a wild, crazy career.

[Justin]

That's incredible.

[Kaylee]

What does.

[Justin]

Prisoner of war?

[Kaylee]

Yeah, yeah, I'd say prison. I got. I got kidnapped. Taken basically in Bosnia, like when on.

[Justin]

The show, that the final phase is to simulate potentially getting Kidnapped. And Billy is instructing us and we find, come to find out he's like speaking from a real life personal experience while we're just kind of simulating it. He's like, no, I literally know what it's like to be in this situation.

[Kaylee]

And no two situations left with the same, you know, on the course, the teacher out to resist and. And survive. Yeah, that is one key element that is in every situation, I guess. But how people treat you is going to be never going to be the same. Now if you're in the wrong guns at the wrong time, how did you.

[Justin]

End up getting out of those situations?

[Kaylee]

I can't go too deep into it because of operational security. But we ended up holding, taking hostages of people who've taken me hostage. And I level it was a meeting coming together where they'd taken me and someone else. And I think they're going to use this as human shields. Put us in front of buildings that we friend enforcer was going to bomb. So we didn't bomb it. I think that's what they were going to do. But we ended up having control of some of their people. And it was like, you don't. If you don't release them, we're not releasing them. It was one of those sketches. Lucky, very lucky. So yeah, that was my life and my military career.

[Justin]

And what about you Rudy?

[Rudy]

And you know, listen to Billy. It always helps me reflect too. And you know what, we're a lot alike in this way. For the things that we were missing in our childhood and the things that we desired to get out of our environment. It shaped me. Poor family and a bastard son. So I, you know, I never really had a family and I didn't know for my first seven, maybe eight years that I was somebody else as boy. And I come from a Mexican American family, a Catholic family and I'm 53 down in the border. It's almost the culture is a hundred years in the past. So I was always beaten up and picked on by my cousins and my mom was always humiliated by the family. I didn't know, I didn't understand the dynamic. It's because she had me and my biological father was a marine and I guess a great Marine, two tours in Vietnam. He was a horseman, he was a boxer. I guess he had an amazing personality. I get some of his personality. But after a second tour in Vietnam he was not the same. And I believe he got on heroin out there and he was really never heard from it again. And he was put away medication and never Had a job again. And that family is a Spanish family from Mexico. I found them later when I became successful. I thought, I want to find out where I'm from. And my cousin is the district attorney of Austin. I have a little sister who's a doctor. My uncle is a professor at um, of both Latin and European studies and leads tours in Italy. Very high vibration people. But they were not happy to see me. They met me once, maybe because they see it as a shame or whatever. And also they hate the Marine Corps and hate the military because they believe it took their son away. Needless to say, my military is my real family. Even my other units, I mean, we had to get together yesterday. We had some Marines. We. We got freaking SAS, the Green Berets, the SEALs. All the brothers get together. It's the same family because it's the same culture. We care about each other, and we have been through a selection that we all know who's who in the zoo. You never have to trust that that man to the left, the right can handle their sector. And if you go down, they can take over, over the mission. It's an incredible sense of security, knowing you're with the best guys in the world. My Mexican family was poor, so it was gangs, drugs, prison, domestic abuse. So I rebelled and was a good boy. I rebelled and followed the rules, stayed in school, which was very hard because I went to many different schools, because I was shuffled around different families. Foster care, and then ultimately the Omaha Home for Boys. My brothers and I have two little brothers. We were very sick by then. We had worms. I had ringworm really bad, I guess because my immune system was so down, and hepatitis. I had to be hospitalized. And all my teeth had rotten so bad that I might have lost an eye because the rod had got back there. However, the fighting spirit of the human being is incredible. I was still working out. It's not like I had coaches or trainers or anything, anything. But I saw whatever freaking John Rambo was doing, whatever Rocky Balboa was doing. I was out at the park doing push ups and pull ups, and I just wanted to be a real man, you know. I excelled in sport in the boys home. The dean of boys was also an orphan. Grew up there since five. And then he got his education and he's my wrestling coach. And he was also. He did clown. Clown work, like for the Short Shriners. And we would go to elderly homes. Man, I got such education there, really. We'd go to elderly homes and do clown work and spend time with the elderly. I Learned by following the rules, training really hard and exceeding standards. I got more privileges. I graduated high school. I got an art scholarship because I used to paint and draw. But I could not take my little brothers with me. I opted out of school to then adopt my brothers at 18 because they were 16 and 15. We went to work and washing dishes and working in restaurants and then construction. And then I started doing martial art. I have always loved to do physical training because it makes me happy. The ethos of that childhood and of martial art is what led me to the military. I never thought about actually pulling triggers and dropping bombs. There was a war in Kosovo and there was ethnic cleansing and there was a lot of suffering there. And America was going to bring troops. That's why I joined. I didn't know what, what I was going to do. So I joined the Marine Corps as an infantryman to just do my part. I excelled so fast and did so well. And by the way, it's really hard. You fail at everything. You're always punished. You have none of your time is your own. You don't even look your own. Your hair's got to be a certain way. Your uniform's got to be a certain way. You are a nobody, which actually builds character. I make it through selection 300,000 Marines. There's only 300 billets for recon Marines. There was no money in the 90s. We were not part of SOCOM then. So the standards were so high because they only got 300 billets around the world. When I went through my selection, we have captains, infantry commanders, we've got staff sergeants who are already scout snipers and Rangers and had trigger time in Somalia, drill instructors, seasoned guys. And I'm just same as you know now, Mr. Smiling, happy to be there. And it was really hard. I didn't know proper soldiering yet. I was learning on the job. But I made it after a year long of selection. And then I started going to schools and started making a reputation in my little team. Nothing's given to you in the military. It's all earned. And I was in the Persian Gulf on a ship as a point man, junior guy on a five man team. My teammates are already Somalia veterans, Haiti veterans, scout snipers, Rangers. And the towers were hit and boom. That's when the world changed for this global war on terror. And the sirens were going off. Seemed like 20 minutes I was listening to it, but it was probably only one second. And we're called to our birthing, we're getting crypto for our radios, we're getting explosives, we're getting spins for our arrows because we're about to get in the helicopter, getting ourselves together, and it was just a. It was just a roller coaster, and I'm doing the job. 70 kilometer movements, Billy. Oh, I'd never driven a Humvee before. You know, we. We're cool guys. We always freaking jump from the sky or freaking dive and, you know, no, I've got to drive a Humvee in bad guy country and then dig it in before the sun comes up. So then we patrol, rucked up with our big rocks and bergens full of communications, communication equipment, optics, laser designators, and then weapons. And then hide in the mountain. And when the bad guys are coming through, hit them with the lasers, call in the close air support, shoot them with our weapons. I did my duty. It was almost a blur because I was so busy. Billy, do you remember in the old days before GPS was everything, when you had to coordinate, navigate. Yeah. And you had to navigate and coordinate with other units in zone. And then with arrows, the arrow air officers. And it was mgrs map with overlays, acetates. Because of my artistry, brother, I was always in charge of doing the overlays because they look so sharp and the marginal information. All of our work is attention to detail. It's not genius work. It's attention to detail. Come back from that. Very excited to be alive. In those old days, we never knew when we were coming home because they were expeditionary times. And shortly after being. Being home, long before you civilians knew, we knew we were going to Iraq. So we were already preparing for Iraq, and we went to Iraq. We went to Kuwait about three or four months prior, training and then doing probing missions on the. On the berm, you know, where we were going to make the breach. And then it was on. I mean, what that Iraq invasion. It was. It was us, it was Brits, it was everybody. And we hit a City in 9 Nazaria. I think my unit had 100 men altogether, and that's to include mechanics, fuel techs, everybody admin. We only had 60 fighters. And when we got to Nazaria, the infantry was being bogged down and getting hit and getting freaking tore up. Do you remember those early days, Billy? Those really early days? There was those beautiful winds and it was kind of cool and it was kind of raining those first few days, and it was like Vietnam because we're on the river, the palm trees, and it's kind of raining, and the freaking Cobras are freaking firing hellfires. And it's getting on. We're fighting too. And on the radio, they're going to chop away all the team leaders because they're paramedics. When you become a team leader, we got to go to paramedic medic school. And we've all done combat medic school, but paramedics, the higher level. And then our high end medics go to a battlefield surgery school, which is a one year program that condenses four, four years of medical school. We're gonna split up our teams. We're only five men. We're gonna split up teams into two or three to go rescue the guys. I am actually really scared because my team leader is my hero and I feel a little embarrassed that I. Because I know they're gonna die. Teams of two. Oh, no armor. In those days, we were just driving humvees that look like jeeps going out on a holiday to Malibu. Like there's no roots, there's no armor, there's no nothing. Just big, big guns. And I was embarrassed that I was scared because he's gonna die and I'm scared. How am I gonna handle this team? We've only just begun this invasion. And I'm, I'm scared because I'm a little bit. Think maybe I'm a coward. And so I said, man, Sean, this is. I'm going with you. And he says to me, and he's country as hell, Rudy, shut the upper. Go, Prudy. Are you a professional? And I was like, that's all I needed to hear. Because the mission has to continue. We chop our way through. General Mattis says, you know what? Recon, lead the way. And that's what we did. Chopped our way all the way to Baghdad to crit back and somebody wrote a book. I was still in the Marine Corps. We all came back from that invasion. I'm an instructor now. And now I'm starting to have a little time with my, my family. A little town we'd never heard of called Fallujah is popping off and Ramadi's popping off the SUNY triangle. And they called me back and it was bloody, it was heavy. I mean, one day I'll tell you all about that. But roadside bombs, suicide bombers, suicide truck bombs, and. And we had to fight. And I really, really got a lot of experience. Experience. But it's also. That was by then my second enlistment. We were standing up marsoc, so recon was now turning into Special Operations Command because we were so effective for so little money. Reminds me of early SAS, like for no money in World War II, no money, no whatever. They made it happen. I turned them down. I was mentally burned out, I think from fighting and everything. All of it, all of it was burned down. And I got out, became a boxing and kickboxing coach, making a little money, doing seven, eight hours a day, seven days a week because we're used to working all the time. Didn't talk to my wife anymore. Still couldn't sleep. Started drinking. Never drank in my life. Started drinking at 36. Go to sleep. And then I got saved by entertainment. HBO calls and says, we're making a miniseries about your invasion generation. Kill. We want you to teach and train the actors, bring production onto Camp pen, have a dog and pony, show them what you do. We're doing shoot houses, sniper work. We got freaking jumpers coming in. We're doing water survival, we're doing hand to hand. All these freaking producer peoples are like, this is freaking savage, you know, Rudy, we want you to come to Africa to teach and train. I did. They couldn't find anybody to play me because you have to be fab one. Yeah. You have to be fabulous. You have to be Latino. This is their words, not mine. Fabulous Latino.

[Nick]

Jacked.

[Rudy]

Yeah, you jacked. Flawless skin and hair all. That's their words, not mine. Right?

[Nick]

Yes, of course.

[Rudy]

So some of the cats that were.

[Justin]

Auditioning, a great amount of humility.

[Rudy]

Yeah, well. Well, I mean, they. I mean, they were my. Their words, right. I didn't even know I was handsome. I mean, I never. I was with the same woman since I was 19 years old. So I saw some of the guys that were aud. They weren't quite getting it. The production had me auditioned for myself, which wasn't easy.

[Nick]

You crushed.

[Rudy]

Well, at least I looked like the guy. At least I looked like the guy. I got.

[Kaylee]

Yeah.

[Rudy]

Oh, bro, I did it. But it was hard. Like any new skill. That's what got me in entertainment and mostly did survival work, did some film and tv. And this has been the best thing to happen to me. Is essential SAS and Billy's program that he built. They reached out to me to come on the show in the uk and I was received first of all by the brothers. The UK was at first not down with me. Now the UK loves me, but now it's also. It's a two way street. America's falling in love with these guys. We're in America now and I mean, we're rolling strong, man. It's incredible. So. So yeah, we both work in the veteran community. We both do nonprofits and charity mine is Force Blue. I rebuild coral reefs and do ocean conservation and put military men to work with our special combat dive and amphib skills. We've now grown it to a children's program. We train the children of the fallen to ocean conservation and they work with men that are their fathers who even knew their fathers. Healing families. Now we're bringing our own kids out because really now as we're older, Billy will tell you it's our family, our kids and our loved ones that it's all about. Yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at, Billy.

[Justin]

You, you kind of got into entertainment as a bodyguard for some of the bigger A list celebrities.

[Kaylee]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Is that accurate?

[Kaylee]

Yeah, it is, yeah. I. I was here actually, in la. I left the military just prior to leaving the military, like we all do. You kind of lost. It's. It's intimidating. I' military for 27 years. That's all I knew. Now I've got to get out and get a proper job. And I didn't know what that meant. How do I do this? And a friend of mine said, look, hey, can you help me out? We did a bit of moonlighting prior to stepping out. I did a bit. A friend calls me up and he was running a security company and said, do you. Could you do a bit of bodyguarding for me? I went, sure. Who? And it was Tom Cruise. So he was the first guy I looked after I met Tom. And I went, he's the deal, you know, this is what I can do. What do you want? And we worked. It worked good. I thought, this is okay. I could do this, continue with the rest of my military career for, you know, still trying to find my feet. And then I got asked, would you consider working with a family for security? And I thought, okay, long story short, I left the military. That's a great story to tell one day how I left, but I left the military and ended up as the bodyguard for Brad and Angelina. And, yeah, spent 17 months or so with them all over the globe. A little bit of time here in la, New York, Europe, on different films and all that sort of stuff. So, yeah, and then my life changed again. You know, actually Sean Penn, who is a very good friend of mine, invite me like he does, sends me a cryptic message to go to Barcelona. And I'm like, for what? And he wouldn't tell me. And long story short, he. He got me a part in a movie called the Gunman. I don't know if you've seen it. You've got to watch It.

[Justin]

I know about it. I'm gonna watch it.

[Rudy]

It's a good little movie in Philly. Awesome.

[Kaylee]

I. I don't act. I'm not an actor. A script. And I'm like, what, the forklift truck is this? I'm like, what am I supposed to be? I'm an actor all of a sudden, you know, with Eldis Albert and Mark Ryland and all these people. And I'm like, okay. So we ended up in Barcelona. He gave me a script and I looked and I went, I wouldn't say that. He goes, well, what would you say? That script. I just did my own thing. And as you'll see, it's just me being me.

[Justin]

We're definitely gonna watch it.

[Kaylee]

And I enjoyed it.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

And you get to see me semi naked from on the waist down. Yeah. Anyway, you'll have to watch it. So I got sort of introduced it going from this side of the camera to that side of the camera. Then I got asked, would I do this show? What I do that? I wasn't really interested. And then around about 2008 or 9, a producer hounded me. He said, look, we've got this show called Unbreakable. We'd really like you to present it. I went, what is it says about breaking people? I went, that wouldn't be too difficult. He went, no, no, no, you don't understand. I went, really? These are the fittest eight people in the uk. Six men, two women. I went, right, and what do you want me to do? So take them to the jungle and try and break them. I went, let me educate to something. SAS guys break in the jungle. I'll break them in. No, no, no, no, you don't understand. So we had going back and forth and I was a little bit uncomfortable. I said, okay, no problem. So I went out to the jungle in British Guiana. Never been to this place before, not done any wreckies. Straight into the jungle and. And I would guess what? 40 minutes into it, I've broke all of them. And then I look at me going, oh, shit. Now what do we do? I went, yeah, what do we do? And this program had to, you know, this was the first episode. It was meant to last four days, and I've smashed them all in 40 minutes. So then revive them all and then spend all day teaching them skills of living in the jungle. And 20 minutes of each day screaming and shouting so they could get some footage. So it kind of put me off, you know, the fact that producers weren't listening, and it made me uncomfortable and put Me in a vulnerability, vulnerable position because I nearly kill these people. I thought, I don't like this. And then I got asked and asked, will you do this with. I didn't want to do it. All I wanted to do if I was going to do anything in front of a camera again was something with deprived kids where I go spend time with deprived kids, then take them into my world. I've always wanted to do it, you know, to try and give back. And nothing really came off. But then I got asked, a program's been put together called SAS who Dares Wins? And I want Boy to do with that. But I got asked would I be part of the team, initial team to do that. And I looked at it and I thought the title put me off. There was no real direction. They didn't know where it was going to go. So I said no. So the first episode went out in the uk, Foxy was actually on it. And the second series, it did well. I didn't watch it, I don't watch tv. The producers hounded me and said, look, we really wanted to come on the show. You don't even know me. Long story short, he came to the. He came to my house in Hereford after putting the phone down, down in London, sat and told me what was all about. And it's not about 4Ds, it's about the people. It's about giving back. And okay, yeah, that sounds something I'd like. And that's where it started for me. So I did SAS UK episode series two and loved it. And then just went with it, kind of growing to what? The programs. The programs. No one really knew still what it was about. Is it about just, just punishing people? Is it about self gain? What is it? And then I've started to grow into the Mirror Rooms, I believe is what the show is all about. It really gets to the core of what's behind you, what we can do to help and how we grow. But initially I hated it. I hated the Mirror rooms. I got so hangry in there. I was about punch people and all sorts of stuff. I didn't know where it was going. It turned into an argument, hang on a minute. But now I've grown with it and the programs evolved and I've learned what the program is all about. And then eventually the Americans came up across and watched it and said, right, we copy this. They came back to the US and copied the show and called it Selection, I think. And it failed. It just didn't work. And then later on, after Rudy got bought on. Towards the end, Rudy came across, replaced a guy that looked very much like Rudy, actually. And then America got interest again. And then we then formed Special Forces, or FOX did. And that's where we are today. And I love it. And I love. I love it because I get to make people like you cry.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

I get to use all the experience and knowledge that we've had over the years to give somebody an experience. And I always say to make a better version of themselves. And you can tell us what you got from it.

[Justin]

It's an experience I'll never forget. I remember the Mirror Room. It was the two of you in it, and I was definitely at my breaking point. But it was at the point where you guys were kind of. First you were playing bad cop. You were kind of playing a little nice cop.

[Rudy]

And at the end, you gotta be nice cop with this guy off jump. It was something like this, brother. And I was like, damn, you born me to death, mate. Yeah, there's nothing about you. You born me. Shut up. You born me to end. I'm like, God dang. So then, of course, I'm like, hey.

[Justin]

Young man, it's okay.

[Rudy]

It's okay, young man.

[Justin]

But then at the end, I was like, what the fuck, man? And Billy, Billy looked at me and he goes, you can finish this if you want to. You can do it. And at that moment, at that moment, I was like, I was ready to be done.

[Rudy]

Oh, were you, bro?

[Justin]

As soon as he told me I could finish, I was like, I'm not. I'm not quitting.

[Rudy]

And it's so wild, Nick. We always run it down on the first day. We get no dossiers on anybody. We. We don't know any of the recruits. And that's part of the magic because we don't need to know them, we don't need to know their names, we don't need to know their brand, we don't need to know their work. We. We don't need to know because we're going to find out the real you.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Rudy]

And they leave it up to us with our human intelligence background and our experience background, and we sure enough get to the real thing with every single recruit. And it's. And it. And it seems to really entertain audiences, but that's not why we do it. It's because they grow. And when these people grow, the audience grows too. This show is really just beginning to bloom. And it's for the people, the recruits, the mirror rooms really do it.

[Justin]

It's really become a family. Show it is. Parents with young kids will come up to me, and they're the ones who, you know, like you, you don't know who's watching it, but out of that.

[Kaylee]

Mirror room, you walk out of there standing tall. You've got the world off your shoulder. You've got a name now. You've got something to go for. But what took me a long time to realize is people watching that indirectly. There's thousands of young kids particularly, who will look and go. Who follow you. You're their role model and go, wow. If Nick can show his. One of, I can. And I can tell you now. And he'll tell you the night the show goes out. No sort of mirror room, things are covered. Our phone's gone mental. A lot of young people who are in dark spaces.

[Rudy]

That's right.

[Kaylee]

It really helps. And I'll tell you what, it's a great feeling to know indirectly. That show is so therapeutic to so many people and you don't realize and what it is, the way the world is today, let's all be honest, the world's upside down. It's a mess. And people are looking at role models and direction. And that show is, as you know, it's real. It's not balls. It's. It's brutal. It's so real and for a reason. Now I'll go back to your interview. I already knew where I was gonna. We watch you. We watch every single one, observing you, always very close. Every night, which you never show on the. Don't really show on the tv. We'll sit in the mirror, in. In the prayers, as we call it. Prayers. We'll go, right, Nick? How's it right? Okay. He's. This is his strengths. This is where we think we're at. You were at break. I'll tell you now. You were about to quit. You physically, many emotionally, felt you done. We knew you weren't done. And if we didn't. If we didn't do some rocking up your ass to give you that last little to prove that you could go further, you would. I think you would. You probably wouldn't have got to the end.

[Justin]

Oh, no, yeah. I wouldn't.

[Kaylee]

You were at that point, you felt you got enough out of it, which you maybe you had. But for us, we knew you had more. I use a tactic on you like my dad did on me, my daddy. Well, the day I joined the army, my dad says, you'll be home in no time. And he goes, he said. And one thing that he said to me, which I Don't tell a lot of people about. He said, what happens if you get injured? And I went, then I get injured, because what happens if you get killed? And I went, then you buried me. He says, yeah, me and your mom, we bury you. And I went to bed that night thinking, I can't join the military. Geez, I can't put on my family. But I thought, you know what? You. I'm gonna prove. Prove to you I can fucking do it. That was the rocket I needed up my ass.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

Every single day I wanted to quit. I thought of those words. He was at the end. And my dad told me why he did it. He says, because had I not done that to you, you had an option to come home and you'd have walked away, and I would have slightly different. But. So I put that on you to want to kind of hate me, to give you that last little spark, but two, because we knew we had you. We had you. You were the front runner by that stage.

[Rudy]

Yes, you were. And you were.

[Kaylee]

You were almost gonna to fall, by the way. Had we had been soft with you and go, you'd have probably gone, I'm done.

[Rudy]

You're in your family. I think you were pregnant at the time. Yeah. We all have small voices that can turn into an excuse that we can.

[Kaylee]

Say in all our mothers.

[Justin]

I saw everyone, I saw to myself. You start like. You start being like. Well, like you said, I think, you know, it's not a big deal. Yeah.

[Rudy]

I don't want to get too hurt because I got to provide. The excuse becomes a reason, and then the reason is your way out. And we can't do that, brother. We got to keep. It would have been a waste for.

[Kaylee]

You to walk around.

[Justin]

Oh, I mean, I. For you. Yeah.

[Kaylee]

And for us, because we've got you to this point now. You need that last bit. And you weren't going to be a cuddly. Hey, come on.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

Get your ass out there and get on with it.

[Justin]

Before we let you guys go, we were talking last night, and you have five kids, right?

[Kaylee]

Six.

[Justin]

Six.

[Kaylee]

Five daughters.

[Justin]

Five daughters, yeah. And you told a very personal story to me. I'd love if you. If you could share. You know that night at the bar and you had your daughter pick you up.

[Kaylee]

Well, I mean, it came about because we're talking about children and family, and the most important thing in life is time, and you've got to make the most of it because we don't know how much we've got. That became very apparent to me. You Know after this particular night, the story Nick's talking about. So one night, it was only about five, six years ago, I'm in town with a bunch of military guys and friends in a pub having a few beers. And I like a lot of beer. And I'd had a few too many, so I couldn't drive. So I called my door up and I said, kaylee, can you come and pick me up? Yeah, dad, no problem. So Kaylee comes down and I am a nightmare. When we have drinks, I have a thing called One for the Road. And it's a long road, so we drink for hours after. So my daughter's turned up waiting to take me home. And now three hours have gone past because I'm still drinking.

[Rudy]

But what.

[Kaylee]

And we're all having conversations and we're talking about military stuff I've done and this. And how did you walk away from this and all these stories?

[Nick]

She's outside in the car.

[Kaylee]

She stood next to us in the car, waiting for me to leave.

[Rudy]

Quiet. Just listening.

[Kaylee]

So, anyway, eventually we leave and we're in the car, she's driving me home, and I'm. And I'm. I'm kind of half drunk. And I look at her and I can see tears running down her face. And I'm like. I said, kay, look, I'm sorry I kept you three hours longer. And she just looked at me, says, no, Dad, I don't know you. I've just realized I don't know you. Me and my sister. Sisters and your brother. We don't know you. I went, what do you mean? And she said, for three hours, I've just heard stories about my dad that none of us know anything about. Says, I really feel. And he. I sobered up immediately. And I thought, wow, you know, because I hadn't took the time because of the life I had in the military. My life when I joined the SAS was constant war fighting for the whole time all over the globe. You know, I was. I wasn't home a lot. And the time I was home, I didn't spend enough time with my kids and my family, which I wish if I could turn back time, I would. I'd change it. That's exactly what I would do. I could never re. Get that. But when she said those words to me sobered me up immediately. And I thought, wow. That led to me writing my memoirs down and actually writing a book, because I've been asked many times, write a book. I don't want to write a book. But I wrote my book. My. Which I've given you my authority. Autobiography. I've cut out a lot of the military stuff. It's about who I was and why what. And it's everything. Water and all, you know, being a bad kid, being an failing. But that was the reason I did it. That very night, you know, I went home, I sobered up in her car, thinking about what she'd said to me. And she was right. The kids knew nothing about my life. And again, it led me to. We all say, let's do it tomorrow, and this is my lesson, but never say, let's do it tomorrow, do it. If you're gonna do something, do it. I used to say to my father, my. My dad, when I joined the ses, he made out he didn't know I was in the essays. He made out he didn't know anything about what I was doing. Well, actually, he didn't because we didn't tell him. I always said to him, when I got decorated by the Queen, and he turned up and he's listening to why I'm getting this medal from the Queen. And my dad's looking at my mom going, he did what? Mom's going, I don't know. He's never told me. So he's listening to these stories. And I said, dad, I'll tell you. I'll come and have a beer with you, and I'll tell you. I'll come down next week. Of course, next week comes by, I didn't go down. I didn't do it. So on so forth, and I never got around to doing it. Long story short, I get a phone call middle of the night. At the time, my mom had cancer, so I was expecting to die anyway, but my dad had died, so it was a complete shock to me. Oh, whoa. My dad's died. And then three weeks later, my mom died. And I never had the chance to sit down and tell them no stories. And it was really lived in my head when my daughter said that to me. So the importance of time and. And doing the right thing and spending and saying what you really want to say when you've got the opportunity to do, do it, because that's. That's what it was.

[Justin]

Well, thanks for sharing that, man. That's a. It's a great story. It's a. It's a great lesson. And I could talk to you guys for hours. I know you got to get going, but thank you. It's an experience I'll never forget. And I hope people keep watching Special Force Horses, because it's. It's so fun to watch. You learn a lot. It's great to watch with your family. And. Yeah, it's been. Like I said, I'll never forget it.

[Rudy]

Thanks for having us, Nick.

[Kaylee]

You're part of that brotherhood and family now. You know, like. Like, the one lesson you'll take away from this is the camaraderie of you guys. You know, you met for the first time in this billet, all watching each other and wondering. And then also that bond becomes really strong, and it'll be like that forever now. That's exactly like the military.

[Justin]

Yeah. We keep in touch. And even we had, you know, Brody.

[Rudy]

Brody, you know, and, like, almost like, two different classes. Like, you know, they both went through their selection.

[Justin]

There's already a bond, right?

[Rudy]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

Yeah. Lunatic, crazy family run by the inmates.

[Rudy]

That's right. Incredible.

[Justin]

Well, we appreciate you guys.

[Kaylee]

You're welcome. Likewise, mate. Keep doing great things, what you do.

[Justin]

Likewise. Plug the show. When's it. When's it on?

[Rudy]

Okay. Special forces, world's toughest test tonight, Wednesdays on Fox. But all y'all working night jobs. Get on Hulu the next day, and you can catch it streaming.

[Nick]

There you go.

[Justin]

All right. Right. See you later. All right. Well, those guys are a trip.

[Nick]

Yeah. They have so many crazy stories. I feel like they.

[Justin]

Oh, my God. It's. I could just talk to them for hours.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's hard to believe that, like, the stuff that they do is real. You know, it's like just crazy stories.

[Justin]

Literal life and death. The way. Yeah, that's like. Rudy didn't even, like. Rudy was, like, a. He was a world champion kickboxer before he even entered the military. It's like, after he accomplished that. Anyways, it's great. Crazy, but it's. It's so. It's so fun to have them. It definitely brings me back. All right, well, let's wrap up with a little Southern hospitality. This show's pretty good.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I'm locked in.

[Nick]

I feel like it. It's Emmy carrying. Emmy and Will are carrying. That's the only reason I'm tuned in, Right. Is like, see the, like, craziness of their relationship.

[Justin]

It's never good when you have two bros telling you how bad you are to your girlfriend.

[Nick]

Yeah, whatever. And the way that it usually doesn't happen.

[Justin]

Usually the guys will, like, got your back, man. Won't say anything. And they're like, yeah, you're really a bad boyfriend.

[Emmy]

You said awful things. Terrible.

[Nick]

Also, the way that. I mean, maybe that's just the way he acts Typically, but I feel like I'm so in tune with, like, everything. Nick does that. Like, the second he breathes differently, I'm like, are you okay? Something going on. Like, you know, and the way that he was being so weird sitting on that couch, and she wasn't like, are you good? Like, what's going on? Why are you being so weird? Nothing. She just said massage. Anyways. Wait, give me a foot massage.

[Billy]

The foot massage.

[Emmy]

But, like, you could tell he never does it. She's like, really? And it's like, we're not even questioning that. Like, you know, and tell me what you guys talked about. And then all of a sudden, now you're willing to rub my feet.

[Nick]

I just don't even remember. Just as, like, a long day. It's a long day.

[Justin]

It's like, I'm gonna go on a limb and say they don't end up together.

[Maddie]

Well, Will and Emmy did not show up to the premiere party, but Emmy did. Both of them didn't show up, but Emmy did clap back online on Twitter saying, like, guys are with, like, the family. It was nothing. It was nothing. It was also.

[Justin]

I'm just saying they're not. They're not built to last.

[Emmy]

You know, these are two people on.

[Billy]

Different pages, and if they do last, it's a bummer for Emmy.

[Justin]

For love.

[Billy]

Love. Yeah. Yeah.

[Emmy]

Bravo won. Can we love zero.

[Justin]

Get into the Joe Bradley and TJ drama.

[Maddie]

Yeah. What do you think?

[Justin]

I think TJ is messy, and I think what he did was really unfair to Joe Bradley. I mean, I think of how many people we talk to on the. You know, what does it mean when he looks at my Instagram story? It's just like, if you have a crush on someone, you read into every little thing. And I just think it's a little unfair for TJ to project his crush onto Joe and then kind of softly accuse him. Not even softly.

[Nick]

No.

[Justin]

Accuse him of leaving.

[Nick]

He went and told a bunch of people that he thought he was gay.

[Justin]

There's that and then saying he's let him on and things like that. And. And it's just like, you know, Joe seems like he consumes alcohol a decent amount.

[Emmy]

Joey bottles.

[Justin]

Joey bottles. In his words, he was blacked out. That h. I mean, I've never blacked out, but I know I have friends who've blacked out, and they don't remember. They black out. They don't remember anything. I mean, I have some friends in college where, like, they just became different people.

[Maddie]

He said he blacked out, but then he also said he remembered, like, rolling over and cuddling. So that's where it's like, there's a little bit of a discrepancy in both stories.

[Nick]

I feel like that whole situ, like, him remembering that was probably him only remembering that because TJ brought it up to him. Like, I feel like maybe if TJ would have never said anything about it, then he would have never remembered that he rolled over and put his arm around him. But I think because TJ went to him and was like, you cuddled me last night. Then he's like, okay, well, the explanation for that is, I was blacked out. I'm used to sleeping with a girl. I, I like to cuddle.

[Justin]

Like, that doesn't mean anything. You're. You're smirking.

[Maddie]

No, I'm not smirking. I, I don't believe in accusing people of, like, what their sexuality is. And TJ is for sure messy. But I can also see that there might be a world where, like, that friendship breakup in quotes is more blown out of proportion than it would be if it was literally just a friend breakup.

[Billy]

Yes.

[Justin]

Seem like he has a problem being his friend.

[Maddie]

Joe won't even stand next to TJ in a room.

[Justin]

Like, Maybe that's because TJ's gotten so weird around.

[Nick]

No, TJ's walked away every time Joe's come up to him and will as they're talking, and he tries and walks.

[Maddie]

Off, but at lakes, lake house, like, even Joe's, like, avoiding in the pool. So, like, I, I, I just see that there might be another, like, world.

[Billy]

Is really upset by this as well.

[Emmy]

But I'm also, like, TJ's made it very clear that he doesn't want to be around Joe and walking away from him and telling all of their mutual friends he wants nothing to do with him. So why, after 15 attempts, why would Joe continue? He's going to give him space and he's going to stay over there while you're hanging out in the pool with my girlfriend.

[Justin]

And can't be Joe be upset because he lost a friend?

[Maddie]

Yeah, he can be. Yeah, he can be. Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Emmy]

Or also that maybe your friend wasn't who you thought they were because you had trust with them, and then they're going around telling things about you that may not be true. That may or may not be true.

[Maddie]

What was the. Where's the continuity in TJ telling Joe that he was in love with him?

[Emmy]

Uh, it's season two. I haven't gotten there yet, but that.

[Maddie]

Changes my perspective a little bit. Of, like, he knew TJ was crushing on him. So for me, I would pull back at that point if I wasn't interested.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Like, that's where I know, like, this is not a friendship to him.

[Emmy]

But the thing is, like, I don't know where. Cause I'm already seven. Six or seven episodes in, and it hasn't happened. So that's where I'm like, this sounds like this is something that happens towards the end of a season, which would make sense why we're opening up this season with them not being friends at all.

[Justin]

I just think TJ's real messy.

[Maddie]

He's very messy.

[Billy]

He's really messy. He's really messy. But there is. There is something to. And this is not, like, excusing TJ's actions whatsoever. But I do think it does open up a very interesting relationship dynamic between, like, a gay person and a straight person being that close in friendships. And, like, when feelings get involved, it gets complicated.

[Justin]

Well, sure, anytime feelings get involved, period, it gets complicated. But whether it's a gay person or straight person or, you know, a man and a woman who are both heterosexual and one person thinks they're friends, oftentimes when a man and a woman are seemingly platonic friends, there's often one person who feels a little bit differently about that, but the other person has the most pure of intentions and just wants to be their friend. They just don't think of them romantically, like, at all. And the person who has feelings, they start getting weird.

[Kaylee]

They.

[Justin]

You know, they start thinking, I don't know if I can hang around them anymore. Cause they have feelings. But, like, the person who just sees it as a friend, friendship, like, you know, what are they supposed to do? And again, they. They value the friendship. They could mourn the loss of a friendship, but the way. Just the way TJ delivers it, as if Joe was supposed to do something differently. And his big moment is a time in which Joe was blacked out, which is just like, okay, well, that's all you're going on. And again, it was just a cuddles. Is it that hard to believe that Joel rolled over, put his arm around whoever he was in bed with, and it. It was. There's nothing read into.

[Emmy]

I just also feel like we have to start normalizing going directly to a person and having that conversation. Because the amount of drama and the amount of stuff where I'm like, hey, give it to me, because I watch it, but I'm like, the amount of drama that's being created around a conversation that could have happened between two people, come to a formal understanding. And it sounds like there was a conversation to where TJ admits his feelings and Joe says he doesn't reciprocate. I don't know what the timeline of certain events are, but I'm like, at that case, when somebody tells you who they are, what they think, what they feel, just believe that.

[Maddie]

Take it.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's also like, why Maddie went to Emmy's. To be like, I need to tell her about this, and then didn't even say anything. And it's like, yeah, what are these people do.

[Mayim Bialik]

How.

[Nick]

How can you say you're friends with these people if, like, you can't. That would. The first thing I would do if I heard something about my friend is like, go directly to my friend and ask that question. It's like, the way that none of these people can do that well.

[Emmy]

And also, what's so weird is that somebody did this to Maddie. I think it was actually Joe did this to Maddie about her ex that was on the first two seasons, saying that, you know, he's back cheating, whatever it was, and she blows up. But it's like, at the end of the day. Yes. Sometimes hearing things that you don't want to believe makes you angry. Angry, and you react and you're like. And you're in denial. But a friend that wants to tell you something, there's no friend that you should have that's close to you, that's trying to just ruin your relationship. To ruin your relationship. Like, I'm sorry, I heard a piece of information. I think everyone else is talking about it. You should also know about this. And there's nothing wrong with that. But at the same time, it's shoot the messenger.

[Maddie]

And then, Nick, in your defense, I do see, like TJ does, and I've only seen this season look desperate, that he's reading into both Michaels and then also Joe Bradley, and he's making these into, I don't like you, but then I do like you, and now you're in the wrong. But, like, I'm not in the wrong, and I'm the victim, but then also, you did me wrong. So it's like, he's just messy at the end of the day.

[Justin]

Yeah. It's like when his feelings are hurt, he's immediately the victim in his own little world.

[Maddie]

But he's good tv.

[Billy]

He has good tv.

[Justin]

My favorite, the good character, but bad character. You know, Lisa Barlow plays a good character on tv. Maybe not have the most good character as a human.

[Emmy]

Right?

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Emmy]

Can I also just like raise just like a little bit of concern where Emmy went up to Siobhan and was like, pretty much just like, okay, like we're cool now. And it was just like, okay, I love you.

[Justin]

I love you.

[Emmy]

Okay, bye. And I was just like, you just blew up at your work also kind.

[Nick]

Of fucked up of like to put them all in the same room.

[Emmy]

That too like you.

[Billy]

But then Michaels didn't want to be with Emmy.

[Justin]

What? Bodies of water can be names other than lake, river, ocean, cloud. It's not a body. Well, it is technically a body of water.

[Maddie]

Evaporated.

[Billy]

Evaporated.

[Justin]

Storm. Storm.

[Billy]

I mean technically the name like mar is. Is ocean in Spanish. So any. Maria, Mary.

[Emmy]

It all comes Marsh.

[Billy]

Marsh.

[Maddie]

Pond, Reservoir, Everglades.

[Billy]

That would be a beautiful name for a baby.

[Justin]

Pond.

[Billy]

Pond.

[Emmy]

No.

[Justin]

Stream.

[Rudy]

Swamp.

[Justin]

Swamp.

[Nick]

Lagoon. Lagoon is kind of fun.

[Maddie]

Lagoon by all.

[Billy]

River and lagoon.

[Nick]

River and lagoon.

[Billy]

Goonie.

[Justin]

What? Rain.

[Billy]

Rain.

[Nick]

A lot of. A lot of people who have an R, they do Roads, river, rain. They're all in that bayou.

[Justin]

Bayou.

[Billy]

Bayou. Beautiful bayou.

[Nick]

Puddle.

[Billy]

Puddle.

[Kaylee]

What is this?

[Nick]

Abyss. Abyss. Fjord. Pacific.

[Billy]

If Bjork can be an fjord.

[Maddie]

Atlantic drought.

[Justin]

Well, that's Pacific.

[Maddie]

Yeah, that's cute though. Pacific violence.

[Justin]

Mississippi. Waterfall.

[Emmy]

How much I enjoy waterfall.

[Maddie]

Waterfall's cute.

[Rudy]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah, that's too long. Is that. Is that a. Is that the first name or is that a first in middle name, Middle name.

[Mayim Bialik]

Water.

[Billy]

Fish.

[Justin]

Tank.

[Billy]

Estuary.

[Justin]

Aquarium.

[Billy]

Aquarium.

[Justin]

Aquarium.

[Maddie]

Stream could be cute.

[Justin]

Stream.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Brackish. That's what you call a mix of salt and fresh water.

[Justin]

Mist, Mist. Misty, Fog, Breeze.

[Nick]

Okay, I feel like this conversation's done.

[Mayim Bialik]

I like.

[Billy]

I do like lake. I think she's really cool.

[Maddie]

She is cool. Her family is cute.

[Billy]

She's rich as she's well traveled.

[Nick]

Like cuz she's rich as cuz she's.

[Billy]

Rich as she's like. Yeah, I just like studied art also. Her art pretty good.

[Justin]

It's not bad.

[Billy]

And I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it.

[Justin]

If I'm going to spoil my kids, it's going to be giving them opportunities to go abroad. Yeah, like that's it. Will not be buying them cars after their name.

[Billy]

She's being rich.

[Nick]

Correct. Seen the movie Taken.

[Justin]

Bodyguards.

[Nick]

Billy.

[Justin]

Billy. We got it. We got a guy. All right, well, that will do it for this episode. Thank you to our special guest, Mayim Bialik. And Billy and Rudy. Make sure to check out our special Going Deeper episode with Brody Jenner that came out yesterday. Also check out reality recap about Tuesday if you haven't. It's a wild, wild episode. Say hi to your friends. We'll love you. All right, bye. See you Monday. Bye.

[Nick]

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