E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files Episode E880

Title: The Viall Files
Host: Nick Viall
Guests: Rebecca Minkoff (Real Housewives of New York City), Maddi Reese (Southern Hospitality)
Release Date: February 6, 2025

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1. Introduction to Reality Recap

In Episode E880 of The Viall Files, hosts Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, and the Household delve into the latest happenings in reality television, pop culture, and celebrity news. This episode prominently features discussions about the Real Housewives franchise, Beyoncé's new album, and insights from guests Rebecca Minkoff and Maddi Reese.

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2. Beyoncé's "Cowboy Carter" Album: Is It Truly Country?

The episode kicks off with an in-depth debate on Beyoncé's latest musical endeavor, the album titled "Cowboy Carter". The hosts and guests analyze whether Beyoncé's venture into country music holds genuine roots in the genre or if it blends multiple styles, making it genre-less by design.

• Sai: "I have stats about it being a self-proclaimed country album, leveraging Beyoncé's Texas and Midwestern country influences." [03:30]

Rebecca Minkoff expresses her skepticism, noting the album's mix of genres and questioning its eligibility for traditional country awards.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "Casey Musgraves was a nominee, but Beyoncé wins because she's Beyoncé." [08:12]

The discussion highlights the challenges artists face when blending genres and the industry's reception to such experiments.

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3. Grammys Incident: Apologies and Babyface Conflict

A significant portion of the episode addresses a controversial moment from the Grammys involving interruptions directed at renowned artist Babyface. The conversation revolves around two women who abruptly cut in during Babyface's speech, leading to widespread backlash.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "The women apologized immediately, but the damage was done with segments like 'Chapel, Chapel.'" [12:18]

The hosts debate the accountability of the individuals involved, discussing whether the culprits deserve to be fired and the impact of such interruptions on professional relationships.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "Someone deserves empathy, but it's unclear if the two ladies were at fault or pressured by others." [14:00]

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4. Interview with Rebecca Minkoff: Navigating RHOA and Beyond

Rebecca Minkoff joins the podcast to share her experiences on The Real Housewives of New York City (RHOA). She delves into conflicts with fellow cast members, particularly surrounding sensitive topics like Scientology, and discusses her eventual departure from the show.

a. Scientology Discussions and Conflicts

Rebecca recounts a tense moment during the RHOA reunion where Scientology became a focal point, leading to strained interactions.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "We don't talk about religion on the show, but she walked out, making it a 10-minute Scientology segment." [18:13]

She expresses frustration over the lack of meaningful dialogue and the negative framing of her beliefs.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "It's tricky to discuss controversial topics without support, and Bravo didn't facilitate a safe space for it." [19:31]

b. Bryn's Accusations and UBA's Response

The conversation shifts to a fallout involving Bryn and UBA (Ultra Bryn). Bryn's allegations against UBA led to widespread accusations of weaponizing traumatic experiences.

• Nick Viall: "It's clear Bryn is stirring the pot, but UBA is handling it gracefully." [21:04]

Rebecca emphasizes the complexity of the situation, advocating for empathy towards Bryn while questioning the other women's certainty about her intentions.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "It's hard to balance believing Bryn's account while understanding UBA's perspective." [27:02]

c. Craig and Paige's Breakup

The hosts discuss the publicized breakup of Craig and Paige from RHOA, highlighting the challenges of handling personal relationships under the scrutiny of reality TV.

• Bryn: "Craig's stance was to not discuss the breakup, leading to public misconceptions." [29:08]

Rebecca reflects on the difficulties of maintaining privacy and authenticity in personal matters on national platforms.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "Navigating breakups on TV is tough; everyone has different ways of handling it." [31:12]

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5. Reboots and Pop Culture Highlights

Beyond RHOA, the episode touches on various pop culture topics, including:

a. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Reboot

Rebecca shares her excitement about Sarah Michelle Gellar returning as Buffy in the reboot.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "Buffy has shaped me as a young woman." [26:32]

b. "Dexter" and "Chucky" Reboots

The hosts discuss the new seasons of Dexter Resurrection featuring Uma Thurman and the ongoing Chucky series.

• Nick Viall: "Dexter Resurrection introduces Uma Thurman as the head of security for a mysterious billionaire." [27:35]

c. Denise Richards' Spin-off Show

Denise Richards announces her new show, "Denise and the Wild Things," which receives mixed reactions from the hosts.

• Jessel: "Denise is in control with her own show, which is empowering." [32:31]

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6. Final Discussions and Reflections

The episode concludes with reflections on the challenges of reality TV, the importance of authenticity, and the personal growth of both hosts and guests. Rebecca Minkoff and Maddi Reese share their aspirations and upcoming projects, emphasizing the value of maintaining genuine relationships amidst the drama of reality television.

• Bryn: "Creating my own music and connecting with people is my next big step." [67:30]

Rebecca discusses her book launch and ongoing podcast, highlighting her commitment to personal and professional development beyond the show.

• Rebecca Minkoff: "My book 'Fearless' offers 22 tools to overcome fears and chase positive feelings." [67:30]

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Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall: "Sometimes you just go, oh, you know what? I can't please all." [75:30]

• Rebecca Minkoff: "Embrace empathy and understanding, even in the most uncomfortable conversations." [94:06]

• Bryn: "Every relationship teaches me something new; it's all a learning experience." [57:28]

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Conclusion

Episode E880 of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive look into the dynamics of reality TV, the complexities of personal relationships under public scrutiny, and the continuous evolution of pop culture icons like Beyoncé. Through candid discussions and insightful interviews, hosts and guests navigate the intricate web of fame, authenticity, and personal growth.

For those interested in reality television's behind-the-scenes drama and celebrity insights, this episode provides a rich and engaging narrative full of thoughtful analysis and relatable experiences.

Transcript

[Nick Viall]

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[Aaron]

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[Bryn]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Bryn]

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[Bryn]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Jessel]

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[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Jessel]

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[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Jessel]

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[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Jessel]

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[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Sai]

Here's the thing, I have some stats pro and against if you guys would.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Like to hear them.

[Jessel]

She's a cowgirl.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I firstly, I first didn't care. I was like happy for Beyonce. And then I did start seeing some videos of people listening to songs on the album.

[Sai]

Cherry picking as you will maybe.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So that's definitely as the Internet does. Yeah, the Internet is, is, is.

[Jessel]

Yeah, I guess it would like you get, you know, country song of the year. But yeah, if they're not all country songs on the album, how do you get album?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

There was definitely, there was definitely at least some, some videos I saw certainly cherry picked that I was like, oh.

[Sai]

Yeah, okay, well you know, I'm a stat queen. I love stats. So I have stats about it self proclaim. So the argument, self proclaimed stat queen here, the argument for Beyonce Cowboy Carter being a country album is she's from Texas country state, you know, lead single from Wisconsin. Like geez, Texas Midwestern country.

[Jessel]

But I don't know if we necessarily claim Texas as like they're cow, but it's cowboy.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay. You know, and also listen, she's making an argument, okay?

[Sai]

I have against. I have against arguments as well. I'm unbiased.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Texas Road Mary is unbiased.

[Sai]

I'm unbiased has banjo in it. There is a banjo in the song Sweet Honey Bucking, which first off called Sweet Honey Bucking. Beyonce says, look at that horse. Look at that horse. Look at that horse. Horses. Big themes in country music.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Sure.

[Sai]

Dolly Parton, Willie Nelsey and Jabuzzi on the album.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Willie Nelson.

[Sai]

Willie Nelson.

[Bryn]

Willie Nelson.

[Sai]

Also, even though Beyonce never released a country music before, neither did Post Malone and now he has one too. Also she has a song about alligators which to my southern culture Is country the argument against.

[Jessel]

It's more like swampy.

[Sai]

Swampy, but swamp is country. You ever drink a bush light Riding on a. Riding on a boat through the everglade? That's country. And you see an alligator right there.

[Jessel]

Bush light a bush, a little john boat. Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Definitely country. Those people are definitely listening to country music.

[Sai]

Exactly.

[Jessel]

But how many songs total are on album?

[Sai]

How many songs total are on album?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Let's see the album.

[Jessel]

What's our on the Cowboy Carter on album?

[Nick Viall]

On record.

[Aaron]

We speak in shorthand these days.

[Uba]

One of the songs is called American Requiem.

[Sai]

27.

[Jessel]

27.

[Nick Viall]

That's actually a lot of stuff.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's so many.

[Jessel]

Again, how many?

[Sai]

And it's an art piece.

[Nick Viall]

If there's 12 songs that are fully country, it's a country album.

[Sai]

Okay, here's. Here's the argument against. Beyonce has not previously released a country album.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Don't care about that.

[Sai]

Experimenting with the genre. She raps and she raps in spaghetti, but that is spaghetti western.

[Uba]

It's one of the songs.

[Sai]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, but like country, you know, country.

[Sai]

Jason Aldean has rapped in Dirt Road Anthem.

[Jessel]

You know, Floor George Line had Nelly and a bunch of.

[Sai]

Yes. The album overall does combine many genres, which is the point of it. So it's kind of a genre less album by design.

[Jessel]

Well then how do you win a genre award if it's a genre less album?

[Sai]

Exactly. And then also, and maybe the most important part, country musicians typically drive big trucks and drink a lot of beer with songs focusing on these two things. Beyonce does neither of those things in the album.

[Jessel]

Does she have a dog?

[Sai]

I don't know. See?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Kind of need a dog.

[Sai]

Kind of need a dog. You need a dog. You need a lifted four wheeler. You need a hitch.

[Nick Viall]

Does Daisy have a lifted truck?

[Sai]

Maybe one.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I say this is a total outsider because I definitely have embraced country music over the past couple years. But like, I'm definitely not part of the gang. Like, I would love to be welcomed, but like, I don't think I'm really in a position to like. You may.

[Sai]

Yeehaw. But you don't ha.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, yeah, sure. Who.

[Jessel]

Who were our other nominees?

[Sai]

The other nominee Question. Casey Musgraves. I think Casey Musgraves was post Malone country album of the year nominee.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I just feel like for the longest of times, country music was excluded from like all the other like award shows. It's like country music wasn't even welcomed at like the Grammys or the Amas and stuff like that. So they like created their own Industry. And now that it's popping, all the other musical, like, geniuses want to get a part of the nookie, you know?

[Sai]

Well, beyond Cowboy Carter goes back to 2016, when Beyonce performed with the Chicks at the CMAs. And Chicks.

[Uba]

The Chicks.

[Sai]

The Dixie Chicks.

[Uba]

They rebranded.

[Sai]

They rebranded to the Chicks? Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

After they got canceled by the country music.

[Sai]

Well, they didn't get canceled for that, but Anyway, so at 2016, CMA's Beyonce and the Chicks performed Daddy Lessons off of Beyonce's Lemonade, which is a country song. And that performance banger Kenny Chesney and many other people pissed about it. They're so mad Beyonce's there. Beyonce takes that personally a la Michael Jordan, and she makes Cowboy Carter and then wins best country album.

[Uba]

Michael Jordan.

[Jessel]

Michael Jordan.

[Sai]

And I took that personally.

[Jessel]

Okay, wait. So who else was. Who else was nominated?

[Sai]

We have Cowboy Carter, obviously. Higher by Chris Stapleton.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, deeper.

[Sai]

Well, Casey musgraves Banger album F1 trillion. Post Malone. Whirlwind. Lainey Wilson.

[Jessel]

I'm gonna be honest. If Chris Stapleton is in the mix, how is he not winning?

[Sai]

But would you not say he's more Southern rock?

[Jessel]

No.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Casey Musgrave.

[Sai]

Kacey Musgrave's also great.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

This sounds like Beyonce won this award because she's Beyonce.

[Nick Viall]

Or is it because Chris Stapleton didn't have a banjo in his album?

[Jessel]

Chris Stapleton has a banjo in his album.

[Sai]

Chris Stapleton has had a banjo out of the womb.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

Chris Stapleton was born with a banjo.

[Sai]

Post Malone, though, on a trailer hitch.

[Nick Viall]

F1 trilog trailer F1 trillion.

[Sai]

Post Malone goes from trap to country. And that's okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Have you seen Post Malone's true first musical video? It's awesome.

[Sai]

Musical video.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay. Music video.

[Sai]

Okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Performance.

[Nick Viall]

Sweet.

[Bryn]

You're welcome.

[Sai]

That's giving emotional.

[Jessel]

Still saying it's a bop.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

A. We're not calling songs a bop.

[Sai]

No.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What are the kids saying?

[Sai]

Cronk.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Are you being serious?

[Jessel]

Please don't say cr.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No. That's so cool.

[Nick Viall]

Not very sabotaging.

[Jessel]

Yeah, please don't.

[Sai]

Yeah, say cr.

[Uba]

People that say bop think that Monday is the first day of the week.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

O thinks Monday is the first.

[Jessel]

Monday is the first day of the week.

[Nick Viall]

It's not.

[Sai]

I think you guys are dominated by the work week.

[Uba]

I also think Monday is the first day of the week.

[Nick Viall]

Sunday.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But it's just not.

[Uba]

But it is.

[Jessel]

Look on your calendar.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Such a Gen Z thing to say. I'm just going to decide what it is for me because it makes my.

[Jessel]

Feelings no it just is what makes sense. Like, you're. What you're doing on the weekend, and then, oh, Monday is the start of your week. You're like, oh, let me get my. We're going into work.

[Sai]

But if you look at the.

[Jessel]

You're still smoking weed on Sunday.

[Nick Viall]

And like, you say that, that, like.

[Jessel]

Like, oh, it's the weekend. Okay, well, if it's the weekend, it can't be the first of the week.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's like someone working third shift saying, 5pm is the morning to them.

[Sai]

It is.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Sure.

[Sai]

But also, you're. You're saying that the week starts on Monday because you have a Monday through Friday job. Some people work on the weekends.

[Nick Viall]

Boom. Also, open up your calendar app. What day of the week starts the week?

[Jessel]

Who invented the calendar app?

[Aaron]

According to most Western calendars, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. However, the international standard ISO8601.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God. Designates Monday as the first day of the week.

[Sai]

It sounds like nerds think Monday is the first day of the week.

[Nick Viall]

Freaking grand.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Have you ever heard of the Sunday scaries?

[Sai]

It's because your week has already started.

[Nick Viall]

Yep.

[Jessel]

No, that's because your weekend's over and you're going into. So you just said the weekend's over.

[Sai]

So the beginning of the week is Sunday at 12 o'clock.

[Jessel]

At 12 o'clock a.m. it's over.

[Nick Viall]

Weekend's over.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So you have some scaries because you're like, no, scared. You're Monday.

[Jessel]

Monday is the beginning of the week. And Monday is my favorite day of the week. Because it's like, well, actually, not really anymore.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

She used to say that when she.

[Jessel]

Like, it used to be. Because that was the day that I.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Agree with when she was in the industry, you know?

[Jessel]

Well, that was my favorite surgery day.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, you made that. So I loved industry. Sounded kind of ominous.

[Jessel]

I was like, what? Sitting on a couch.

[Nick Viall]

Casting couch.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, my God.

[Sai]

Why was. Why was Monday the best day for surgery?

[Jessel]

Because it was my favorite. I was doing orthopedics and it was my favorite surgery day. And so I was like, Monday's my favorite day of the. And Nick was like, I've never heard that before. That's so stupid.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I said stupid.

[Jessel]

I think so. And then now I'm like, okay, it's not. And you're like, yeah, you used to say that because you used to want to be, like, different and quirky.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe I'm not like all the other girls.

[Jessel]

Maybe you just like other Monday.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

She is so interesting. My girlfriend.

[Nick Viall]

4Am is the best girl that I'm.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Referring to is your girlfriend, Like, a little bit younger than you. Like. Yeah, but don't worry. She. She thinks Monday is the coolest day of the week.

[Sai]

What day of the week do you.

[Bryn]

Think you're in the morning?

[Nick Viall]

I'm different. I think 4am is the best time to get up because you get so many things done before you start your day. Exactly.

[Jessel]

I like to work out at 4am.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, we have an amazing episode. What?

[Nick Viall]

I was just going to circle us.

[Aaron]

Back to the Grammys for a second because I wanted to say justice for Babyface.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, we forgot to talk about that on, well, Tuesday's episode. I think most people have seen this by now, but did those ladies get fired?

[Uba]

No, but I think. Well, I don't know, but most people also haven't seen that. They apologized right after, too.

[Sai]

So, like, they did apologize immediately because.

[Uba]

People are clipping the. Them interrupting it and not giving the context of, like. So when she apologized, she was like, I just want to formally say, like, I'm really sorry to Babyface. And, like, the people watching, like, I was being tapped on the shoulder, and a lot of people were saying, like, chapel, Chapel, chapel. So it was like, she was kind of pressured to then, like, interrupt it. And she immediately was like, I'm sorry. That wasn't like.

[Jessel]

But then she tried to defend it with, like, I'm such a big fan of Babyface.

[Sai]

And it's like, okay, name your top five Babyface songs.

[Jessel]

No, but it's just like, you can't say you're a fan and, like, get your way out of things just because you're, like, such a big fan of them.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Someone who deserves to get fired. Maybe it wasn't them.

[Uba]

I mean, they're getting death threats online, so it's like, that's too far.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's crazy.

[Uba]

I've seen a lot of comments and stuff where it's like, they were just doing their jobs, and maybe they did it wrong because someone was tapping on their shoulder.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But it's definitely possible that it's not their fault. Like, doing those red carpet interviews are. They're hard. It's like, it's live. It's in real time. It's very fast. You have people coming in and out. Like, sometimes you're really a teleprompter, which, for me, that's. That's a nightmare. But, yeah, you have producers and cameramen all around you that you got, like, someone in your ear. Like, literally, you have a phony mic in your ear. So, like, but someone deserves to be fired. Maybe not those two ladies, because it may be like, maybe someone was like, hey, it's Chapel. Like, get Chapel. Chapel, Chapel. Chapel. Chapel. Chapel. Chapel. Chapel. Chapel. Chapel, Chapel. And they're like, I. Okay. Like, I. You know, and they were listening to someone. But whoever made that call deserves to be fired. They must. They have to be like, Also, they didn't put Slay Chapel in such a bad look, right? Because, like, all the Babyface fans, like, you know, like, you know. You know there's some asshole out there, like, blaming Chapel for this.

[Nick Viall]

I think that's what I saw was that it was like, people.

[Sai]

No, she did not do any. She literally was just existing.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But like, someone, whoever, like, Baby Face was in a mid sentence. Yeah, he was just like, hey, yeah, what's your favorite day of the week? And he was like, let me tell you why Monday is. And he was just getting in, like, point three, and they just said, get the fuck out of the way.

[Aaron]

He was so respectful about it, though.

[Sai]

He was. Every time he closes his eyes.

[Uba]

What are you supposed to do, though? Like, well, Baby Face, he couldn't, like, be like, I'm talking.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No, I loved how he handled it. He handled it very gracious grace. Graciously.

[Nick Viall]

Graciously, yeah. The reporters need to ask him, when can I see you again?

[Sai]

So true. Sorry we're throwing around Baby Face references. My mom loves Baby faces.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Is there any chance. No. That would be somehow blaming Chapel, A collaboration?

[Bryn]

What?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, collab Chapel has been proven to be a bit prickly on the red carpet. So, like, maybe they were just like, oh, this is her only moment to get Chapel. Because, like, well, whatever.

[Sai]

She doesn't come, then they don't get Chapel.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, yeah, I get it.

[Jessel]

I feel like it's more. So she would have been like, don't scream my name like that in front of Baby Face. Yeah, yeah. Don't scream at me in front of Baby Face.

[Aaron]

That made me so sorry.

[Jessel]

We just. She couldn't hear us because we didn't want to yell. We were whispering.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But anyway, we got a great episode for you lined up today. But before we let you know all about that, don't forget to listen to the Going Deeper episode with Carl Racky that dropped yesterday. For all you Summer House fans out there, or just Bravo fans in general, really enjoyed getting to know Carl. It was a lovely, lovely interview. You know, I really love. I really appreciate it. Especially when we think someone, like, it might be too afraid to come on.

[Nick Viall]

I think he was very open. He was Horrible.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

He's honest. I really feel like I got to know the guy.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I have so much respect for him.

[Nick Viall]

And he looks great.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

He looks fantastic. Yeah.

[Jessel]

Very tall.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

He's really been through a lot. And certified hot.

[Nick Viall]

I was waiting for the married woman to say it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You want to jump? You want to jump Carl's bones?

[Jessel]

You did.

[Nick Viall]

You. Did you not?

[Aaron]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Well, he's not, I mean, objectively hot. He's hot.

[Sai]

He told me he liked my Steelers jacket because he's from Pittsburgh. And I was like, okay, okay.

[Nick Viall]

So kind and so sweet. I think we all got a little like. Okay.

[Uba]

A lot of comments were confused by like his jean cut on the bottom because it was like yoga but also kind of bootcut but also like flare.

[Jessel]

It was a little flare.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It was giving fashion.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

It wasn't bad.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay, David.

[Uba]

It was a flare but also skinny. Genus.

[Jessel]

It was skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny flare.

[Nick Viall]

But isn't it, like kind of hard for tall guys to shop? Isn't he.

[Jessel]

Wasn't he, like, known as like, skinny Jean queen?

[Bryn]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So I say good for him for branching out. And that's without a girlfriend, period.

[Jessel]

But he is fudgeing.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well.

[Jessel]

He gets into all that in that episode.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. I got to say, I give, you know, give a lot of credit to a middle aged man. I say that as one myself who got away, got outside of. Of the skinny jeans without a girlfriend.

[Jessel]

You didn't.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I know. No, exactly. It took like. It took you shaming me, you know.

[Nick Viall]

She said, what?

[Jessel]

Are those still, like. Those are tight still? Those are tight. I can see your veins through your jeans. We should probably change only one of us.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And I got big old meaty thighs and sometimes Nick has a booty. And yeah, sometimes it was like, you.

[Sai]

Don'T need to look like a gymnast.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Sai]

It's giving Simone.

[Jessel]

It was a pair of, like, tights for sure.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I was always leggings. I was sticking it. I was imagining you in those jeans. Well, Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality joining us in a little bit. And then Rebecca Minkoff from Roni will be joining us. We started watching the reunion.

[Jessel]

We gave up on the rest of the season, but started on the reunion.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Sometimes that's all you need to do.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, the season was so slow that I'm like, I think the reunions were so good that by the end of the second reunion I was like, I actually don't want any of the cast members to be replaced. And I'm kind of curious to see what happens next.

[Jessel]

Ooh, right.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

We've been excited to talk to Rebecca. I. I didn't know what to expect going into, like, booking her. And then we watched last night's episode. I wasn't anticipating, like, asking much about the Scientology. It feels a little even uncomfy to say, you know, wonder why, because a.

[Nick Viall]

Cloud would be like, Scientology in the room with us.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. Anyway, we were like, hey, listen, we're not. We're not that interested in, like, you know, I'm not here to, like, interrogate people about their religion. We don't talk about religion on this show.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But then, like, she walked out, and it was just 10 minutes of them talking about Scientology. So I don't really know where we go with this, so. We shall see. My big thing is someone who's raised Catholic. I have a lot of great experiences from growing up Catholic. Great memories. But I can acknowledge that the Catholic Church is. Has their sins, and there's some people in positions of power in the Catholic Church who don't deserve to be or who have done some very terrible things, you know, And I can acknowledge that as a Catholic person. And I think sometimes the struggle people have with Scientology is that, like, there are some serious accusations about people in that community, and people have some questions. And when the people have these questions.

[Sai]

They'Re like, it's really helped me with my communication skills.

[Nick Viall]

I can give you a book recommendation, and you should read it for yourself and see what. What conclusions you come to.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So it's, like, it's a little tricky. Anyways, we have Rebecca Minkoff on later, and we'll see how it goes. She seems like a.

[Nick Viall]

She does. And I do have some questions about, like, how she feels about the cast after the fact, and it seems like they hate her. Well, and it was also announced that she's not coming back or that she was fired from this cast of Roni.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That was not a group of women who think she's boring. And they may think she's boring, but when she walked out there.

[Sai]

That's true.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

On that reunion, they all hated her. And then when they got done roasting her and then, like, blaming her for the prank, they were just like, all right, you can leave now.

[Sai]

And, like, it was kind of awesome.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But it felt very mean.

[Sai]

Yeah, it was.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It felt mean, girl. It felt.

[Sai]

It was very mean.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It felt mean.

[Uba]

She deserves some empathy.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Is it because of Scientology?

[Nick Viall]

I just. I think it's a mixture of things. I think it's also the fact that, like, she wasn't as forthcoming or open about the Scientology, but also because it's like, there was the clip where she said she was using this as a platform to, like, promote her business. So I'm like, maybe she wasn't being as forthcoming and authentic even in downtime moments.

[Jessel]

I don't understand how people can be upset with her for not sharing about Scientology when Jenna Lyons doesn't open up about anything.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Fair point.

[Nick Viall]

Fair, yeah.

[Jessel]

So it's like, this is just like, this is a religion to her. Why does she have to open up about her religion and Jenna Lyons doesn't have to open up about any personal parts of her own life?

[Nick Viall]

And piggybacking off of what you just said, I'm also kind of like, I feel like there's so many other, like, conversations that could have been had with her about her family, about her. I know nothing about her relationship, her kids, how she grew her business. So I'm like, there's a lot that could have been shared that also wasn't. And nobody wanted to explore outside of.

[Jessel]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like it's a Voldemort.

[Uba]

That's where I think she needs empathy. And I. I agree. Where she said, like, I was used for a storyline specifically for something and that this was not the place for me to even share what I believe because it was immediately regardless of what I would say. Be criticized.

[Jessel]

Right.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So we have some questions.

[Sai]

Yeah, I do think. I think Bravo did use her.

[Jessel]

I agree. So I'm excited to chat with her.

[Sai]

But that's what housewives do.

[Aaron]

That's what they do.

[Sai]

And it's like, I know, but they.

[Jessel]

Used her, not like they use everyone else.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You're right about the Jenna Lions thing. Jenna Lions gets a pass. That's certainly irritate me.

[Sai]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I loved her this reunion, though. I was like, I haven't heard her speak up and, like, kind of combat with other people. Be combative with other people. The way that she was this way where she was like, even with Bryn or anybody, she was like, no, this is inherently wrong. So it was like, it was nice to hear her speak up and actually have an opinion on things.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, well, we'll get into Roni a little bit later when we have Rebecca on. We also have Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality excited to chat with her.

[Uba]

What is this Reese Witherspoon stuff?

[Sai]

So basically, Reese Witherspoon did an interview with People where she said that she mistakenly roasted her friend at a very serious award ceremony. She said it literally haunts me. So this friend of mine, who I didn't really know that well, but she was a very serious, proper actress. She asked me to give her an award. I had never been to this award ceremony, so I thought it was like a roast. So I got up and I roasted her. She said the event was British, elegant and classy. So it's the baftas. And that she got the tone completely wrong while cracking jokes in her speech. Apparently Reese said in her speech, remember that time we got laser hair removal and she is still embarrassed about it and the actress is no longer friends with her and stopped talking to her afterwards. People thought it was Kate Winslet. Rhys then posted on her Instagram story and said, it's not Kate Winslet.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And you think it's Cate Blanchett.

[Jessel]

I mean, we don't spread rumors on this show, so.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, we can speculate. I mean, rumor. I mean, Rhys is putting it out there.

[Sai]

That's true.

[Jessel]

Maybe a Cate Blanchett.

[Sai]

I don't know Cate Blanchett, but Cate Blanchett, I feel like, has a good sense of humor.

[Nick Viall]

And it says that she presented to Cate Blanchett at the Golden Globes.

[Sai]

That that's a famously non classy event.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

This can't be hard to figure out.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, the only one I'm seeing right now is Kate winslet at the Baftas 2007.

[Jessel]

But they're saying, I wonder if people just figured it out so fast that Reese is like, no, no, no, keep working.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, can't be her.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, she's definitely like.

[Jessel]

Like, she didn't think anyone would figure it out. And then they did five seconds and she was like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Sai]

Oh, no, it's happening again.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Now. Kate Winslet really hates her because, like, everyone loves Reese Witherspoon. And the way she tells the story from her pov even I'm kind of like, kind of get over it, Kate.

[Sai]

But then maybe, maybe from the other pov, it's like, you worked really hard in this, like, really serious, dramatic.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No, no, I get it.

[Sai]

And this girl that you don't know super well, this American, like, Southern woman comes in and this British award show, everyone's really stuffy, and then starts talking about laser hair removal. You're like, oh, my.

[Bryn]

Why?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Why isn't Reese getting notes? Like, why is Reese winging it? Like, why? Why isn't anyone being like, hey, like.

[Jessel]

Just go up there and say what you feel.

[Sai]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You have a speech. We should be put on the teleprompter. No one was like, like, oh, my God. She's just.

[Nick Viall]

We don't do that here.

[Sai]

Yeah, I don't know. I've never watched the baftas.

[Nick Viall]

My whole thing is that I'm like, all you could have said was it was at an award show at some point or a very fancy ceremony. But, like, you literally gave like, it's a British. Elegant, Elegant award.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Say the person's name. Reese.

[Nick Viall]

It's Googleable. You gave us all the hints.

[Sai]

Say it with your chest. I wouldn't be mad.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Stars are just like us. Marcus Jordan apparently just really upset. He's not on Traders anymore. Got a dui, arrested for cocaine possession and was singing on his way to jail.

[Uba]

Not connected to Traders.

[Sai]

Not connected to Traders.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, I was speculating. He's gonna be sad because Marcus Jordan was on Traders last season with his ex girlfriend Larsa. This is a fear for us, darling.

[Jessel]

What is a fear for us?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'm just saying, like, I just, I, I think we, we work really hard and aspire to, to be good people and, and, and be the leaders in our lives. And we, we both come from a lack of privilege in a lot of ways in our upbringing, and I think that has shaped us, but we've also.

[Jessel]

Made mistakes in life and I'm, and maybe this is just Marcus Jordan making a mistake in life. I don't know.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, sure, yeah. But, you know, his dad is a billionaire and.

[Jessel]

But that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

True, true.

[Jessel]

I'm just saying, I mean, I definitely think anyone who is getting arrested for a DUI deserves criticism. 100. Yeah. Do you? I mean, you're putting other people's lives at risk. You're, you know, I didn't think, you.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Know, you know, it's just, it's tough to, it's, it's, it's tough to be very.

[Jessel]

Drinking at a gentleman's club earlier in the evening. Did not undergo a breathalyzer test. Did not perform well on the three field sobriety test. After he was placed under arrest, Jordan had his pocket search with cops reportedly finding a substance testing positive for cocaine. He was reportedly singing the entire way to jail. Page six confirmed that Marcus's bond was set at $4,000. That's it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It. Yeah.

[Jessel]

It doesn't seem you get arrested for DUI and cocaine and they're like, yeah, sure, four grand.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, it's also probably possession state by state. I was like, here is minimum 10,000 just for like the first offense.

[Sai]

It was in Orange County, Florida, which is like Orlando.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Do you think he calls his dad?

[Nick Viall]

He's 34 years old.

[Jessel]

Dad, I just got arrested. Can you bail me out?

[Nick Viall]

I'm sure he calls his dad's assistant.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Sai]

Yeah, one of them.

[Nick Viall]

Jim, I did it again. Can you come get me?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, to be singing on the way to jail like you're not worried about anything.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Sarah Michelle Geller is returning as Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a reboot. Very excited about this.

[Nick Viall]

Did you watch it?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It really shaped me as a young man.

[Nick Viall]

Really?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Sai]

Who's your favorite?

[Aaron]

Buffy.

[Sai]

Okay, well, besides Buffy, obviously.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I honestly don't. I didn't. I didn't watch it, like, a lot. I probably wasn't allowed to at a time in my life, but I did have the hots for her.

[Nick Viall]

Sarah Michelle Gellar or Jennifer Love Hewitt.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Jennifer Love Hewitt. Was it okay in her heyday?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Sai]

I just think it was funny that she. She said, it's funny. I always used to say no to the reboot because it's in a bubble and it's so per watching Sex and the City. Meaning watching end just like that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That made her want to do it.

[Sai]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

And Dexter.

[Sai]

And Dexter. Because Dexter's getting a reboot. Uma Thurman's going to be in it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Dexter has had a reboot.

[Sai]

It's getting another one.

[Jessel]

Another one, huh?

[Sai]

Or he's still.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's an origin season. Or like.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, the origin season's out already.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It has Christian Slater. There's another one.

[Sai]

There's another one with Uma Thurman.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'll tell you what, as someone who was a big Dexter fan back in the day, and then it really fizzled out, and then they did, like. Like the new.

[Jessel]

The.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

The one where he came back. That was. That was okay. That was a pretty good season because the last season of Dexter was terrible.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And then one where he, like, came out, and he was like. It was years later, and they're like, you know, let's. They kind of like, let's redo the ending. That was pretty decent. But this kind of now where it's this, like, younger Dexter, it hasn't really popped. Let's just say they keep trying to bring out Dexter stuff, and none really pops.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it looks like Michael C. Hall is returning as Dexter Morgan, June 2025 in Dexter resurrection. And Uma Thurman is playing the head of security for a mysterious billionaire.

[Sai]

Ooh, I love an Uma Thurman project.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, she's gonna be a killer. He's. Well, I already know the ending.

[Nick Viall]

He kills Uma at the end A formal. A former special ops officer who works for the billionaire Leon Prater.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

He's gonna kill her.

[Sai]

What are your guys favorite reboots? Do you have one?

[Nick Viall]

I guess the Hills. The only one that watched the New Beginning or the Beginning.

[Uba]

The one or two seasons that existed.

[Nick Viall]

The one season they came back.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Has a reboot worked?

[Sai]

I like the Chucky reboot with Hobby Plaza, but no one else did.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Again, has a reboot worked?

[Nick Viall]

I mean, but. But Chucky's on. It's like, what, fourth season.

[Sai]

Oh, there's the Chucky TV show. But that's horror. I don't think horror counts.

[Uba]

Sutton was in the TV show.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Is that really originally?

[Uba]

Yeah.

[Sai]

Well, horror is always repeating itself, so I feel like that doesn't count. I love In Just like that as well.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You do?

[Sai]

Yes.

[Jessel]

She's alone.

[Sai]

It feels like. It feels like a Muppet TV show now.

[Nick Viall]

I tried to watch it and I was like, it's horrible. Let me preserve what I my brain cells. Yes.

[Uba]

Real Jen Quest is what's going on with Paige and Craig?

[Jessel]

Dude, I think it's clear.

[Uba]

It's clear. But like, the story just keeps isolating.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's the thing. It presented as clean and civil. It's becoming less than.

[Nick Viall]

No, Paige.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No.

[Jessel]

It makes pretty clear sense to me, but there's. They broke up in November at Thanksgiving.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay, I didn't know that. Yep.

[Jessel]

They broke up Thanksgiving weekend. They were like, let's just like, they did what no one else is clearly doing in the social media celebrity platform world, a la Matt, James, Rachel, Zach, Brian, Brown Sugar Fry. And they took some time. Right? They were like, we're not going to announce it. Let's just like, process whatever.

[Nick Viall]

Craig went on Watch what Happens Live back in December, and it was that whole thing where they played the montage in Southern Charm and on Watch what Happens Live about how he's notorious for l the past. To which he responds like, I never lie. Come to find out, Paige releasing this, saying that the whole time he was talking about the plans him and Paige had for Christmas, like, knowing that they were broken up. So it kind of like points out the fact that it's like, no, you were actually in the act of lying it during this. Watch what Happens Live while being called the liar and saying, you never lie.

[Jessel]

I think that's probably more so him being on a national TV show put on the spot and him and his girlfriend are broken up. They haven't announced it to the world and they're asking, like, what his plans are with his girlfriend and he's like, oh yeah, just be at my house. Like, he's like, I don't. This. Is this the place to announce that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I feel like had he gone and watched what happens live and been like, well, actually we're broken up. The Internet would have crucified him and like accused him of something very similar to a Matt James, which is just like, well, did Paige know you're gonna say? And then Paige could go out and be like, I had no idea he was going to tell everyone. And I was at dinner when my phone started blowing up and Page Six started like releasing articles that we were broken up and like, wtf?

[Nick Viall]

It kind of sounds like no matter what, what, someone was going to be unhappy. Because at the end of the day now she's going on clear clarifying that she agreed with Craig to not talk about it. She saw pictures of him out on a New Year's trip and was like, well, if we're going to be presenting single, I'm going to announce it.

[Sai]

And then he never responded to that text that she sent him saying she wanted to announce it.

[Uba]

And then also Kyle and Amanda, they did an interview where they were like, he should have stood up for her when all these rumors were coming out of like infidelity and stuff. And then he unfollowed Craig, unfollowed Kyle and Amanda.

[Jessel]

I think Craig's stance on that was like, I'm just not talking about the breakup at all. I think he was like, I'm gonna say my one piece and then I'm not gonna continue talking about it. And I mean, I don't know. I think it's valid on both sides. It's like, seems pretty.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's just like starting to get like when Kyle and a man, when other people start giving their opinion. Like clearly at first they were trying to like be civil and non drama, but like it's giving somewhat. People are trying to win the breakup. Like they, you know, they do keep.

[Jessel]

Well, I think friends just want to be involved. Friends want to make headlines. Friends want to. And people ask friends because they know.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I also get it because I feel like it's relatable. Like I've gone through like a breakup and then like when I started dating or something, like I didn't post about it or anything like that. Cause it was just like out of respect for the past relationship. I was trying not to, but I'm also kind of like it's a little delusional, I guess, in the sense of being two people that are public figures. On shows that are airing right now that it's like. And people were speculating about the breakup.

[Jessel]

Someone's gonna get hurt. Regardless. It's breakup. Someone's feelings are gonna get hurt. Someone's not gonna handle it the right way. Someone's gonna do something that pisses someone, like, it's. It's a breakup. You can't, like, handle it. Perf.

[Bryn]

That.

[Jessel]

It's like.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I don't know why they're coming for Craig, though.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's just. I don't know. I think the whole thing was just. Should have just all breakups just rip the band aid off.

[Uba]

I don't know.

[Sai]

Ms. Pat's. It's coming for Paige, though, because Ms. Pat, like, responded to a clip of the podcast where Paige was talking about it and said, watch her on the next episode of Southern Charm, which is like, yeah, they didn't. They weren't broken up when they were filming.

[Nick Viall]

Of course she's on the show.

[Sai]

Like, giggle.

[Nick Viall]

It's.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I feel it could be weirder for them, personally. I'm like.

[Uba]

Because they have to watch it back.

[Nick Viall]

You have to, like, watch your relationship disintegrate, I guess.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, Taylor thinks her, Craig and Rachel should date.

[Nick Viall]

I was like.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But she asked, like, she was asked.

[Uba]

She was asked if she saw, like, the whole blow up of it. And she's like, well, I thought she, like, Rachel's a sweet girl. Like, Craig should.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So. Okay.

[Uba]

And then she went on to just say, like, Craig's probably with the next person gonna settle down because he's gonna look for someone that's actually ready to good.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

And I wish him the best.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Uba]

Denise Richards. Her new show trailer. Did you see it?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes.

[Jessel]

What is it called again?

[Uba]

Denise and the Wild Things.

[Nick Viall]

And Her Wild.

[Uba]

Her Wild Things.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's a great title.

[Jessel]

It's a good title.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Do you think how many of the Beverly Hills Housewives are jealous because she has her own show? She was able to get a spin off. That's like, she's the focal point of.

[Nick Viall]

They used half the cast of Beverly Hills.

[Uba]

Yeah. A lot of people were saying, what's the point of doing it if they're all on her show? Like, just bring her back to Beverly Hills Housewives. But it's.

[Jessel]

It's like, no. It's like, Denise is in control. I love it.

[Uba]

I respect it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

She's the focal point.

[Uba]

She said, bravo, Bravo, Bravo. And they said, here's a show.

[Nick Viall]

Yep.

[Sai]

Yeah. I'm really happy for you.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

When does that come out March 4th. March 4th. When is the valley come out?

[Uba]

Unclear. They TBD. Bravo's been doing this thing recently where they're, like, coming soon, and it's them announcing it, but then it doesn't come out for, like, another four or two months.

[Nick Viall]

But, you know, last year, March 19, 2024.

[Jessel]

So maybe it'll be March again.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. The teaser for the season was released January 17th. The first look was released on February 27th, and the premiere date was announced March 19th. So three months.

[Bryn]

Three months.

[Uba]

Yeah. We'll probably know two weeks before it airs. That's what they did with Beverly Hills.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I'm gonna guess may.

[Aaron]

I'm excited.

[Nick Viall]

I love the Valley. And I also saw a photo that Kristin posted yesterday, and she's just. She just looks great, and I just love her. I always love to give a shout out to Kristin.

[Sai]

In other Beverly Hills news, Lisa Rinna has addressed Lisa Vanderpump's rumored return to Beverly Hills during a podcast appearance. Lisa said, I heard that Vanderpump might return. They're always looking to save the show. They know it's the Titanic. I'm just gonna say it. And we all know it's the fucking Titanic. And so I would imagine that they're courting the shit out of Vanderpump right now, because, like, who else? They know I'm not going back.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Has she been asked? She's.

[Uba]

She said she has. And, I mean, people have been saying, bring back some of the OGs. Rena's not an OG, but she was like, an iconic housewife life.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, I mean, I will say, after last night's episode, it is turning into a snooze fest. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You want somebody to smash a wine glass and hold it up and say, never talk about my husband like that again.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It started with this whole, like, montage of PK and Dorit.

[Nick Viall]

It was kind of sad.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But, like, why was.

[Jessel]

Because PK then likes told the girls at. At Kathy Hilton's little tea party or whatever that he's, like, threatening to sue her for, like, full custody. He's, like, gonna pull all of his money.

[Nick Viall]

I want her to, like, be able to afford the house on her own, like, the thing, like, and it's like, oh, the whole 10 years in California thing. I just learned about this this year, so I thought it was interesting. It showed. Ended up on Beverly Hills. But it's like, in California, when you make it past 10 years in a marriage, it doesn't matter if you had. What are the things you sign, like, Prenups, all that stuff. Everything is 50. 50 communal property. If you decide to split PK divorcing her at, like, nine and a half years, like, it's just. It's giving. Icky. It's giving. Like, I want to get out before I have to be taking care of you for the rest of my life.

[Jessel]

Well, yeah. And now finding out that because what you say. Yeah, he's. He's threatening financials, expectations within a month or two, discussion of custody's lawyers, threats of divorce.

[Nick Viall]

Like, it sounds like he's trying to, like, expedite the process as much as possible, to be like, I want you to prepare yourself that I will not be taking care of you or the family. Whatever's mine is mine, and we'll figure this out legally.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So what happens when you marry a guy who wears a full track suit?

[Nick Viall]

Amen. You were right.

[Uba]

Yeah. I do appreciate Erica in this position. Like, she was just hard truth. She's like, you can hate me for what I'm about to say, but, like, this is what you need to hear.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I got a little chills with that, too, because it is true. Like, sometimes you want people to be so direct and honest, and Erica actually presented it being like, listen, I'm just going to give you the hard, cold facts.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So there's no lawyer, like, there. There's no reconciliation. Huh?

[Nick Viall]

It doesn't. It does not appear that he wants.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

PK Just, like, saw Mo's life and was just like, I want some of that. Because it's really given. Like, they're really cryptic about Mo and Kyle, and, like, we think she's on.

[Jessel]

The same level as Mauricio. He needs to back it up.

[Uba]

They also did an interview, like, a month ago, Mauricio and P. PK so, like, it's interesting that it's like they're teaming up as, like, the husbands that were married to the housewives within PK the whole time is kind of like, I didn't like the way she handled sobriety and the conversations about me. Like, she's spinning it.

[Jessel]

They're in cahoots.

[Uba]

I would think so, yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I mean, because it. Kyle and Mauricio's divorce is giving. Like, Mauricio finally made the decision.

[Jessel]

But if PK Thinks he's gonna be on the top of a mountain in Aspen with Anita, like, it's just not gonna happen.

[Nick Viall]

Champagne bottles.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Do we all agree about the Mauricio and Kyle's divorce, though? It's like, it's giving. Like, he kind of, like, had a lifestyle that she accepted for a period of time, and she decided to stop accepting it, and he just refused to change.

[Jessel]

I mean, I also think it might have something to do with, like, you know, the kids grew up. And it's like, once kids grow up and are out of the house, it's like. Like, focus is now back on us. And it's like, is our relationship as strong as it was when we were having these kids?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But as we were watching it, like, there's. You know, it's sad because there's clearly a lot of love there. There's a lot of respect. They still hang out together. They have a family together. But there's a choice that they're making to not reconnect, to not. You know, they gave up, or one of them gave up, or both of them gave up. I don't know. It's giving. Mauricio gave up first.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just saying I feel like if. If it's an either or, I feel like there's a better chance that Kyle and Mauricio could reconcile than PK and Doritos at this point.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, PK's has gotten real nasty. And at least Mo presents as someone who, like, is compassionate. Is compassionate, and, like, still, like, wants to protect his family.

[Jessel]

Where he answers Kyle's text, he goes.

[Nick Viall]

They go on vacation and sleep in the same house. Like, PK's over here. Like, not answering a phone call, not caring about where his kids are. Like, PK can go himself.

[Uba]

I did see a fan theory that Kyle and Dorit are feuding because they wanted to do that, to destroy. Distract the group of people from dissecting their marriages because, like, they're deflecting with, like, this is such a toxic friendship. So people are being more supportive when it comes to the marriage conversations instead.

[Jessel]

Of, like, what happened in your marriage?

[Uba]

Instead of digging into, like, let's pull the marriage apart, because now they're just pulling the friendship apart.

[Sai]

Well, Dorit's at least kind of opening up and being honest about what happened with her and pk, whereas Kyle is just letting everybody go in a million directions, not actually saying what's happening.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's totally true. Like, Dorit is not really hiding much about. About pk, like, or Kyle. Like, we've never really known what happened. They just stopped hanging out kind of.

[Uba]

You're saying with Kyle, Kyle and Mauricio.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You know, like, he's in a lot of scenes, and he takes her to the gun range, and they're nice and they get along really great, where you're just Always. Every time they do that, you're like, why can't they make it work out? You know, like, how sad.

[Sai]

It's like, there's one big thing they're.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Not telling us, and there's always a lot of speculation about, like, who Kyle's hanging out with and Mauricio is being seen, you know, in Aspen and stuff. Like.

[Uba]

And then Kathy Hilton's the confusing part, because then she does interviews every two seconds, being like, well, I could. I think they'll be back together soon. Like, they might get back together soon.

[Sai]

Well, Kathy also. It's like, is says she's part Chinese, 3000 BC.

[Jessel]

Listen, anything Kathy says, I want to hear.

[Sai]

Me, too.

[Uba]

She puts caviar on her baked potatoes. And that was enough for me to be like, I'm set.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Did. Were you in any way offended by claiming that she's.

[Uba]

I'm not Chinese, but just Asian.

[Jessel]

Asian. Yeah.

[Uba]

I. I mean, anything she does, I'm like, she's a character where it's like, you can say something crazy and you know that they don't know what they're saying, but also, like, they don't mean it in a harmful way.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Uba]

Like, she's just being goofy. And I'm sure some person in Italy did tell her, like, which is, you.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Know, for some people, like, just as good as 23andMe. I loved her on I don't totally trust trust 23andMe.

[Jessel]

I loved her On FaceTime with bows being like, are those buka shells opposing? Like, they're diamonds.

[Sai]

The fact that bows gagged Kathy Hilton is huge.

[Nick Viall]

The way that she tried to be like, oh, um, yeah, no, baby, they're diamonds. Like, she's like, trying to, like, do.

[Jessel]

I say, yeah, put your glasses on.

[Nick Viall]

Confusing diamonds for puka shells. But also, like, how large were they?

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Sai]

Truly.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I just love that we've been to Kathy Hilton's backyard.

[Jessel]

We have. You had laid in her bed.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What?

[Jessel]

No, we didn't.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What?

[Nick Viall]

Did you think Erica had a right to be upset about not being invited to Augusta?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Of course not. But they always do.

[Nick Viall]

They always do.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Right?

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Jessel]

I mean, I do feel like she is kind of in that group just as much as Garcel and Kyle.

[Nick Viall]

True.

[Jessel]

I was, you know, I was more.

[Nick Viall]

So confused about her calling Kyle to invite her for something so personal where, like, the week before she got comes to dinner, it was like, okay, so why am I here?

[Uba]

I'm not going to bow down to the altar of Kyle Richards.

[Nick Viall]

And then was like, I want you to come to this very Personal interaction with my mom, which.

[Jessel]

Her mom.

[Nick Viall]

That was a piece of work.

[Jessel]

She's a hoot.

[Uba]

I feel bad for her mom, though. I'm like, we're using her as a storyline. I mean, maybe she's. She's, like, chaotic. But I'm like, I don't want to see her mom come on the screen and get humiliated by, like, how was she humiliated? Have you seen the teaser for next episode? I'm like, it's Garcelle, like, telling her mom that she needs to be, like, more involved. And her mom being like, well, I think it's none of your business, period. But, like, the editing is making her mom seem so harsh.

[Nick Viall]

Her mom also has free will, so. Her mom didn't have free will.

[Jessel]

Her mom is Also, what, like, 85?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. She's not changing any anytime soon. Does not give a fuck what anybody thinks of her.

[Uba]

Yeah. But also, she.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

She did show up.

[Jessel]

But also, that is sad that they have to go to her mom for a storyline and they can't figure it out between the housewives themselves.

[Uba]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

Sutton's like, sure, yeah, let's put my harsh mom on television to get crucified by the world.

[Nick Viall]

But also, let's flex on our compound.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

Those beautiful house. Yeah.

[Bryn]

Wow.

[Sai]

The little back house was gorgeous.

[Nick Viall]

There's, like, multiple houses. Did you ever see Righteous Gemstones?

[Sai]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

That whole, like, how all of the family lives and, like, houses all on the same property. Like, that's what that reminded me of. And it was really like, you.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, when you're making $600,000 a month after tax, was it after taxes or before?

[Jessel]

300.

[Nick Viall]

350,000Amonth after taxes. After taxes.

[Bryn]

After.

[Uba]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Uba]

Alimony.

[Jessel]

Crazy. Crazy. But yeah. So Beverly Hills is getting boring, so they have to go to Sutton's poor mom.

[Uba]

Yeah. I do think. Like to circle back to your question. Last season was Sutton and Garcelle welcoming Erica in. And this season it's. They're just ignoring that, which is interesting.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like Bose is getting the most camera time, and I'm here for it, so I'm just like, whatever comes out of her mouth, I'll listen.

[Sai]

Also, Erica's won me back over.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Heading back to Traitors. What's going on with Carolyn? And she. She slams Danielle, like, physically body slam, WWE style. Can we end with, you know, here's a pet peeve of mine. The headline that includes slams.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Uba]

I will say, though, this one, like.

[Aaron]

To me, just misleading headlines in general.

[Nick Viall]

But the quote saying, like, she slams, like, that's Not a slam. Slam.

[Uba]

This is a headline that I actually support the word slam because to me I'm like, okay, she did say some like straight up, like no BS stuff where she said like in response to the feud with Danielle. You're gaslighting me. I am not the most eloquent speaker. I am not always listened to. But it doesn't help when you have somebody looking down on you side eyeing you, talking just the way she did. No one wants to be the Dan of the season, but girl, you're danning me. I don't give a shit about looking the best. I have not played Survivor multiple times. I am a zero, a zero vote finalist. I don't claim to be a great player. I'm good in my own freaky way. But she holds that to such a high standard of like, I'm the best to never win. Grow up. So to me that's like a slam.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What is with all these people who, like, I guess take pride in the game? I mean, like the gamers, like, I don't survive. Yeah, the gamers like this, the weird flexing and bragging about, like, I guess.

[Aaron]

I mean, it's big on Survivor and Big Brother because they, I mean they have legacies. They have people like Boston Rob is like a name from Survivor history. So it's. They take a lot of pride in being like good gamers and legends from.

[Uba]

These shows, but they're also very ego about it because then you have like MJ getting played by Trishell and CT and it's like the gamers are then thinking they're better than the other people and then playing the other people. But I mean, it's interesting because this is a gamer versus a gamer. Danielle Verse.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But aren't they doing tiktoks together and.

[Uba]

Then they're also doing tiktoks together with.

[Jessel]

Like, everything is fake. Everything in this world is fake. Yeah, I don't believe anyone when they say anything.

[Sai]

Well, I think it's with traders. I think they're all actively with. The way they're all interacting with each other and online throughout as the season's going, they're just leaning in.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

If I go on trader, should I just like create a complete alter ego? Go Just could be absolutely insane.

[Sai]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

This a game.

[Jessel]

Yeah, it wasn't me.

[Nick Viall]

I'm a gamer gamer. I did come from the Bachelor.

[Sai]

You'll wear skinny jeans.

[Jessel]

Yeah, you could wear skinny.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I've gotten the most roses in Bachelor history, which I'm pretty sure I have. I'm the finalist, period.

[Jessel]

I'm sure someone's gonna find where someone else has gotten more.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I doubt it.

[Nick Viall]

Just be like the Bachelor. The most competitive. I love ada it. No one's given more roses or been handed more roses than you on the Bachelor.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

When I was the Bachelor there, we did a bit where I, like, read off how many rose ceremonies I've. You know, all that.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, oh, like statistics.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Bachelor statistics, Bachelor stats, Bach stats. But I. I definitely don't wear it with pride.

[Nick Viall]

How many times did you say, are you here for the right reasons?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

None.

[Nick Viall]

None.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How many times did you reference your journey?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Too many. I. I do.

[Jessel]

How many times did you say, my wife is in this room?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Zero. Oh, zero.

[Jessel]

Love that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, zero. Really?

[Nick Viall]

You didn't say that. You didn't say, I see my wife.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

In this room refused.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, he knew.

[Uba]

It is a very cringey line.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

They definitely tried to get me to say it one episode, and I was just like, I forgot what I came up with. But I, like, I see potential here.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like they beat you. They're like, sir, is your wife in this room right now?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

They literally tell you to say it.

[Nick Viall]

You're like, no.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's why it's literally episode two. Go back on all the Bachelor seasons. It's like episode two or three. They walk in and like, I can really, really see my wife in this room.

[Jessel]

And they're like, but, like, what direction is she? And like, what do you think she's wearing right now?

[Aaron]

Like, color?

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. I mean, I definitely said something I didn't mean, but, like, I didn't say that.

[Nick Viall]

Good. No, because she's in the room with us now.

[Aaron]

Indeed.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, I didn't know that then.

[Nick Viall]

Of course not.

[Jessel]

He hates me. Indeed.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Bryn]

How are you guys?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So good. How are you?

[Jessel]

Stunning. Are you about to shoot a cover of a magazine? What's happening?

[Bryn]

I look like it? I'm going on. Watch what happens live tonight. So I'm in New York right now.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

O How fun.

[Jessel]

So pretty.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Are you from New York originally?

[Bryn]

I actually am. I went to College of Charleston for college and that what brought me down to South Carolina.

[Jessel]

Oh, okay.

[Bryn]

So I'm happy to be home, but it's really good to see you guys. I actually met you guys at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That was a wild time. We also met your boyfriend.

[Bryn]

Yes. You met Joe?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

Yes, he did. He was like, so Southern hospitality is crazy. Y'all should cover it this season. And we were like, okay, we'll look into it. And it definitely is crazy.

[Bryn]

Crazy, yes. This season I feel like, has gotten a lot of positive attention and everything comparative to the other season. So it's all positive.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

How did you end up on the show in the first place?

[Bryn]

I worked at Republic. So basically the show is about a nightclub and a bunch of co workers that work together. So I worked there for years before the whole like, casting thing kind of came about. Because I went to college there. I wanted to make money while I was in college, so I got into hospitality, nightlife. And then the owner of the bar, Leva, is obviously on Southern charm. So I feel like that's kind of how that spin off came about.

[Jessel]

Okay, so you are like an og, Like Vanderpump rules. People who are actually working there. That's cool.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And then how much do you actually still work there? Or now that you are DJing and on TV, is it less of that or do they still bring you in for shit shifts?

[Bryn]

I definitely feel like there's a standard of, like, when you are not DJing, you need to be here working. So I feel like it's definitely, you know, kind of cutthroat in the hospitality. Like if you're not working, then we'll find someone else that will. So I feel like with the DJing, I'm always on the road and traveling, but anytime I'm off, no matter how tired I am, I know I have to go to work at Republic, you.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Know, Is that like, because if you don't work there, you're. You will definitely be off the show. Show?

[Bryn]

Not necessarily. Like, I feel like for a while, for my DJ career, I needed the money from the restaurant to help fund my DJ career because it's expensive as a DJ in the sense of like equipment. Like one CDJ is like 7 to 8k. Like it's an expensive hobby. So I feel like in even order, like, like to learn how to produce music and stuff and buying like softwares for that and stuff. Like, I needed money to kind of to be able to invest my career. So I feel like the bar was a great outlet to make quick money, you know.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What do you think of the kind of the dilemma going on between Joe and tj?

[Bryn]

I don't know. I feel like we're filming a reunion next week, so I'm excited to kind of see where they're at now. But I feel like, I don't know specifically, really. I don't know. I feel like it's interesting because it's two close friends that I feel like one caught feelings for and I feel like it's a super dynamic, like, complex relationship.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Do you feel like Joe is being kind of put in like a tough spot with tj? Do we all agree that they, they agree that like Joe was blackout drunk that night? Is that right?

[Bryn]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Isn't it kind of weird that like we're talking about someone who is blackout Dr. Drunk and then like TJ's trying to get him to admit to something he doesn't allegedly even remember? I just find it to be a little uncomfy. I don't know. What are your thoughts?

[Bryn]

I feel like I'm uncomfortable by it. I don't know if I, if I was joking, if I would ever trust TJ again. Like first with the coming in between your relationships and being the one to kind of bring the Luann and the Danielle kind of stuff to the surface. And then you're coming to the surface saying that you have feelings for him and that you think something happened or you felt mixed signals when it was obviously kind of one sided. Yeah, it's a little, I feel like uncomfortable.

[Jessel]

Didn't he tell you that he, TJ thought Joe was gay like before you started dating him or while you were dating him?

[Bryn]

Yeah, for sure. I definitely think that was A rumor going around town. I think everyone on our cast has heard that rumor one or another about Joe's sexuality. And I feel like for Joe, he's like, I know the boiling point of this rumor is coming from tj. Like, he's the source.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

He seems like a bit of a rumor spreader, and, like, he spreads rumors that, like, are potentially, like, problematic or, like, really put someone in a tough position. Like, it could affect your twos relationship.

[Bryn]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How do you feel about it? Because you're kind of in the middle of it. It's because it is your boyfriend, but you're also friendly with tj, and you guys got closer over the summer. So I'm like, how does that affect you? Where it's like, this is your relationship, but also your friends, friendship.

[Bryn]

I definitely feel like it put me in a hard spot because I don't know how close TJ and Joe necessarily were. So I'm trying to be sensitive to, like, both people. But after watching the season, yeah. There's a little part of me where I was like, yeah, TJ is a potter and is a little bit, you know, messier than he leads on. Or, like, you know, he might be, like, the bone collector and have some things to say, but, like, maybe sometimes 1% of the things that he's saying is just straight rumor. You know what I mean? Or even 99. You know what I mean? So I feel like that's where I just think TJ is messy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Bryn]

But for Joe, I think Joe is someone who's really comfortable in his sexuality and who he is and in his relationship. So I feel like for him, he was just like, kind of like, why are you doing this kind of thing? Like, I probably now I'm never gonna sleep in a bed with you again or feel, like, that same closeness to you as a friend end.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Bryn]

Because I feel this betrayal, you know, So I see both sides, but I definitely, after watching kind of really kind of feel for Joe, to be honest with you. So that's where I feel a little kind of uncomfortable. Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I feel like Joe's handled it in the best possible way where he didn't feel, like, threatened by TJ's claim or accusation or anything like that. And he still, like, was able to try to empathize with his friend because he still values that friendship with T.

[Bryn]

You know, Joe is sitting here being like, I'm comfortable in how I feel in my sexuality, and I'm gonna let you tell your story and how you feel, and if anything, I'm proud of Joe and I think that's really brave of him. And I totally like, respect and see TJ's side as well. And I think it's really brave and cool of Joe to kind of be so gentle and sensitive about the whole thing.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

How are you guys doing as a couple? Stronger than ever.

[Bryn]

Yeah, totally. I just, I feel like Joe and I, we just work so well together, like whether it be in the restaurant or in our day to day lives. So I just feel like we've grown a lot this year and I think you definitely see that in the season. Like, I just left a toxic relationship, so I feel like I was so hesitant about, you know, is there such thing as a healthy relationship kind of thing? So. So I feel like I was so hesitant and walking kind of on eggshells, you know, if I truly wanted to give myself in this relationship, you know, based off the things I kind of went through.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I thought it was a really sweet moment in last. This past episode when you and Joe were kind of talking about your future and Joe was like, you know, because Joe kind of presents is like kind of this clubby, you know, all of you obviously are at this age. You're DJing, you guys work at this like very kind of club, bar, restaurant, Republican public. But it was very sweet to hear like, Joe and you have that conversation about like what he really wants and what his dreams are and things like that, and then you kind of talking about that as well. I thought that was like a really sweet moment. Maybe I'm just like again in my like new dad, husband era. But like, you know, whenever that is, whenever you guys are like ready for that, I gotta say, it's, it's, it's. It's the best time of our lives. So, like, maybe, maybe you enjoy.

[Bryn]

Congratulations on all that, by the way. I'm so excited to be in era of my. My life. It's just timing, I feel like is everything.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, no, totally. I mean, I obviously waited a bit longer than most people and I have no complaints. Natalie waited a little bit less longer. But yeah, whenever it happens, whenever you're ready, I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

[Nick Viall]

And I also just have to say after watching the first two seasons, it's really nice to see you in a healthy relationship. And I think it's bringing out the best in you and in Joe because Joe's very lovable. Seeing him wanting to commit to you and, and wanting to get married and saying all these things where you're like Joey bottles is saying like, you know, Johnny. Sorry, but you know what I mean. Like, it's just kind of. It's really nice. So I'm happy for you.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Speaking of toxic relationships, what are your thoughts on Emmy and Will?

[Bryn]

Oh, goodness. I almost wish it was, like, even, like, seeing it. Like, I wish there was a time where she kind of stood her ground with him.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

If anything, do you think it's both of them kind of just figuring out life? Do you think one's more the instigator than the other? You know, it's. It's kind of hard to tell as a viewer, obviously. Like, Emmy has her reactions, which are loud and expressive, but, like, you know, Will kind of does seem like that really good instigator, where even the stuff. You know, like, even behind the scenes, like, he kind of gives. Poking the bear. Poking the bear. And then almost to the point where he pushes his girlfriend to a level of, like, she gets to this kind of explosive energy. But, like, do you think it's more him? Him or her, or do you think they just kind of bring out the worst in each other?

[Bryn]

I would agree with that. But I also think that when Emmy's having those overreactions, I think she's looking for Will to be there to save her and have her back and defend her from these rumors and stuff like that. And you're right. He's, like, kind of more behind scenes, like, poking at the bear instead of showing up in front of the group and saying, you know, this is my truth. And I feel like that's kind of where I think maybe Emmy is having those overreactions is she's like, will should be here, and he should be the one that's defending himself. And it's like, well, he's not. And it's giving guilty. You know, if you're not gonna come and confront the group about all the things that you've done, but you're okay with talking about it behind scenes. You know, I feel like that's kind of where Emmy struggled is. She was just like, I wish Will could speak on this for himself. And, you know, now I have to answer for it. But at the same time, like, I feel like I kind of had to do that for my partner the past two seasons. And it's not easy, like, having to speak on their behalf and to defend them. It's not necessarily an easy thing, but I just don't know why it was so hard for her.

[Jessel]

Why do you feel like he's not showing up to defend himself?

[Bryn]

Well, like I said, I feel like it's to me, it gives. Gives guilty vibes.

[Jessel]

So you think he's like, I just don't even want to get. Yeah, he's like, I don't even want to get attacked by these people because I don't have the correct answer.

[Nick Viall]

Or like, I'm gonna deal with Emmy and not have them be able to say, I heard you say this.

[Bryn]

Yes.

[Jessel]

So he gets to spend whatever.

[Bryn]

I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't like peace. Like, I don't. You know what I mean?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What did you learn the most from your, like, past relationship that you referred to as toxic? I mean, as shitty as past relationships can be, the good news is we can often, like, learn a little bit from it. But, like, what are. What is something that you learned or multiple things that you learned that you want to make sure you don't bring into your relationship with Joe or anyone else in the future or just kind of behaviors you, like, would maybe see in a friend's relationship or maybe you would want to say, hey, I've been there before, and I made a mistake, and here's what you should do differently this time.

[Bryn]

Oh, my goodness. I feel like there's so many things, but it's all a learning experience. I feel like in relationships, every time I leave a relationship, I feel like I'm like, wow, I learned so much. Oh, my goodness. I'm going to bring this into my new relationship and look for these red flags. So I feel like you see that play out through the season, a lot of me kind of being more hesitant about necessarily, like, what I want and making sure that's the priority. And I feel like in the past, I might have, you know, might have made sacrifices maybe in my relationship for my partner or I didn't leave when I probably should have. And I don't have any regrets, necessarily, because of the things that I've learned. But if I do look back on it, I think that when I saw the first red flags, I wish I would have left then, you know, me will say the same thing. Looking back on this one day, and I think a lot of people do.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You know, yeah, you mentioned Kathy Hilton's party that you were. We were all at, and that was the last time I saw James Kennedy in person, because that's also the night that he got arrested. We've been pretty hard on James. You obviously have. You have a relationship with him. You referred to him as your mentor. Is he still your mentor? And have you spoken with him since the incident and kind of where do you stand with him at this point?

[Bryn]

I have not spoken to him. I've definitely checked in on Allie and want to make sure she's okay and everything like that, but I haven't spoken to him, and I wish both of them the best.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay. Would you say, like, your kind of relationship with. With James at this point is kind of like, over? Or. Or do you think maybe in the future you guys will reconnect on. On the DJ tour?

[Bryn]

Um, I don't. I don't have any gigs or anything booked with him this year or this going forward, and I don't think I have anything planned. And I probably. I just wish both of them the best.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Bryn]

Like, I genuinely, like, I haven't. I haven't spoken to him since the same night you guys saw him, so I haven't spoken to him, but I've definitely spoken to Allie just to check in and make sure she's okay. A lot of her family lives in Charleston, where I live, so I see them sometimes and stuff. So I always wanted to reach out and check in. And I obviously had a relationship with both of them, and I wish both of them the best.

[Jessel]

That's nice of you. Did. Was the Emmy blow up over the dresses credit thing as insane in person as it was on television, or what was your perception of that reaction?

[Bryn]

I was DJing then, so I totally just heard about it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Bryn]

And I heard it was crazy. So when I watched it, I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, this is. Is honestly to me watching it. I was like, it kind of gives. Like, guilty. Like, should I look into this? Like, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Because I feel like the simple answer if I was in that position would have been like, oh, no. Like, I didn't. Like, here's the receipt from the uniforms. Or I would have been like, oh, I did get a store back. I did get a store credit kickback. Like, thanks, but doesn't mean that I didn't pay for it with my credit card.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, well, it didn't help with Will saying.

[Bryn]

But the fact that she didn't explain it like, that made me think, like, oh, like, do I need to look into this?

[Jessel]

Right.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Jessel]

To Sierra's point, Will being like, and you didn't do that was definitely the nail in the coffin for sure.

[Bryn]

Yes, I think Will is any favors.

[Nick Viall]

No, he's not.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It was definitely a storyline that I didn't think it was a big deal until she lost her shit. And I was like, wait, what are we talking about?

[Nick Viall]

It should have been something so small, but it's like, even watching her kind of defend Will, where it's like, Will sat there, not only didn't comfort you after the fact, then spent time talking shit about you to your co workers who are not his co workers. I don't know. Just feel like it's unforgivable. In my opinion.

[Bryn]

I would be really embarrassed.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I guess we're gonna have to ask her.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Do you. Do you and Joe live together?

[Bryn]

We do not.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You do not.

[Bryn]

I feel like that definitely gets talked about later on.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Bryn]

Like, what the potential next step. If it's marriage, if it's getting a house, if it's moving in together. So you'll kind of see that play out in the rest of the season.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Who's more guilty between you and Jo of, like, kind of playing house and kind of fantasizing about your future? Or is it more you or is it more Joe?

[Bryn]

Joe. Every day we have such a, like, golden retriever. I feel like black cat relationship where I'm more the realist, and I feel like he's more the, like, fantasy romantic, but I enjoy it.

[Jessel]

Yeah, it is nice. Is he with you in New York?

[Bryn]

He is, yes.

[Jessel]

Is he in the room with us? Hi, Joe.

[Bryn]

No, he actually went to go pick up a suit for his. For the reunion. We're filming next week.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, fun. Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Are you filming the reunion in South Carolina? Are you filming in New York?

[Bryn]

We film in New York.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Bryn]

Yes. We're doing a. Watch what happens live Clubhouse reunion.

[Nick Viall]

Love it.

[Jessel]

Oh, isn't that what they. They were planning on doing that with the Valley first season. So interesting that I think. I think the people in the Valley said no, but that is interesting.

[Bryn]

I feel like they brought up cameras for the Valley and that kind of was their reunion.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Bryn]

Like, they brought up cameras that will break up.

[Jessel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bryn]

Follow up. Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What's. Like, what is making it in the DJ space look like for you? Like, what. What's something you envision in terms of, you know, once you're there, you'll be like, holy shit, I can't believe I did this. I've really made it.

[Bryn]

Yeah. I think I've played at a lot of venues where I felt like, oh, my God, this is a dream come true. I've made it this week in the show. We go to Vegas for a cast trip, and, I mean, I'm on the side of a billboard and such a bucket list opportunity for me. But for me now in my career, I think think, like, I want to be an artist. I want to have music of my own, and I want to release it. I want people to be able to connect with it. Yeah. So that's kind of my next step of being like, oh, I made it is like, if people are listening to my song that I made or if someone connects to it, you know, that's awesome.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Are you still. Are you currently working on some of your own new music?

[Bryn]

Yeah, I actually like this season, I do a song with Grace, so that comes out. I'm pretty sure next week that comes out. That song with Grace and I that we do, it's called poppin it, But I basically am looking to collaborate with vocalists and people to make music. You know, I'm not necessarily, like, an incredible singer, but I am a very talented producer, so I'm working on becoming that artist and putting my music out there and having that confidence.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, I don't think Diplo can. Can sing, Kenny. No.

[Jessel]

Yeah. No, I don't think so. Yeah, no, exactly.

[Bryn]

Exactly.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

All right, well, thank you so much for joining us. It's been so much fun chatting with you. Wishing you guys nothing but success, and we're loving the show. Keep. Keep the drama coming. It's been a ton of fun watch you guys so far, so I really appreciate your time.

[Bryn]

Maddie, nice. Thank you so much for having me on. Like, I always watch y'all, and it was so nice seeing all of you guys again.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Likewise. Thanks for taking the time. Have fun at on Watch what happens is live.

[Bryn]

Yes. Thank you so much.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Take care. Bye. Bye. What a sweetie.

[Jessel]

What a sweetie.

[Sai]

My favorite dj.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I just think the back to the Joe and TJ thing, it just. It's giving icky.

[Sai]

He definitely is a potter, that's for sure.

[Jessel]

I told y'all I didn't like TJ from the jump, remember? And you're, like, my favorite. I was like, I enjoy him.

[Sai]

I enjoy him for TV purposes, but don't necessarily.

[Jessel]

I feel like. Do we always love the potter? Like, is that. I feel like. Isn't Bryn the pot stir on Roni and everyone hates her? It's like, because you're. You're making up lies. You're stirring the pot. You're doing stuff to, like, create drama. It's the same thing TJ's doing, but it's necessary.

[Nick Viall]

I felt that way about Lisa Rena, too, on Beverly Hills Housewives with Denise Richards.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, it's more like I. I generally don't like the pot stir, you know, but I just kind of recognize that there is a Pot, and it needs to be stirred. You know, I would like it to happen more organically from the. The cast as a whole.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But I don't know that, that, that storyline that they keep milking. I'm just like, I'm a. I feel.

[Nick Viall]

Like Joe handled it well.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I thought he handled it well during.

[Nick Viall]

The sit down and everything. And, you know, at least admitting to the fact that it's like that, if that was your perception, I'm. I'm sorry for that. But, like, obviously it did not mean anything to me, but I do think that. I'm sure it's tough, especially for TJ being out in Charleston. And as many people that he was saying that his date, dating life, it's hard to date for him out in Charleston. So I'm like, I also can understand wanting something to be true, but that not even though it's not and kind of embellishing it and hoping that it could be. But I'm just like, yeah, it's. It's your fantasy versus the reality of what happened. And if the person is telling you that it meant nothing to him, then you just have to kind of accept that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Why is he getting a free pass to say all this? And, like, put Joe in the position where Joe seemingly has to, like, explain himself or defend himself. He was blackout drunk and you weren't, and now you're telling a story and whatever happened, like, did Joe even know what he was doing?

[Nick Viall]

I mean, apparently not. So I don't know. It's a little tough just because it's like they said, it's two different people's perspectives. And then you also have somebody wanting something to happen where somebody else is, like, that meant nothing.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I just. I also see, like, Taylor Greene doing, like, tiktoks and reels with tj and I'm just like, Taylor, they're besties.

[Nick Viall]

She was spending the night at his house on episode two. Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Problematic. I like Taylor and, like, but Taylor, some Taylor in the Southern charm community seems to be like, the outsider. Like, she's not part of the, like, group, group, group, you know, and like, you know, even the comments that. What are. What's her name?

[Nick Viall]

Sally.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Sally. Thank you. Yeah, how, like, kind of like the nobody likes you comment, which I kind of hate when people say that. But, like, I don't know, I get, you know, sometimes guilty by association. Like, if she's best friends with TJ and TJ is a bit of a pot story and. And I don't know, I would. I would run Taylor.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, we can't trust anybody with initials on Bravo anymore. Tj JT or maybe just those two letters.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I think. I think initials are problematic.

[Nick Viall]

Pk PK can't trust anybody.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I've never been an initial guy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Envy.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's not my name.

[Nick Viall]

That's also. Takes far too long to say. Nick.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No. Well, coming up shortly, Rebecca Minkoff of Roni Real Housewives of New York City. Excited to get the tea. We found out, like, last night of this morning that she, like, announced. Well, first it was leaked a couple days ago that she was fired, and then she announced that this is her first and only season on. On the cast. And I got to say, I was a little shocked by the reunion. It really seemed like, as we said before, like, these ladies did not like her. It felt personal.

[Nick Viall]

Did it not feel weird, too, when you're sitting there and she, like, comes out introduced? They asked her, like, five questions, and then they were like, all right, well, that's our time with Rebecca. And I was like, no, they made it a segment. They made it a point.

[Jessel]

Typically, they would go to commercial and then come back and Rebecca would be gone, but they had her be like, do I sit here?

[Nick Viall]

Do it.

[Jessel]

And he's like, rebecca wants to know if she stays here or goes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No, they made it a point. Yeah, they made it a point to, like, leave that in there. And, like.

[Nick Viall]

Well, they usually, like, softball questions. Do an introduction, but it was literally like, here she is. Scientology. Scientology. Aaron hates you. Sigh. Hates you. Goodbye.

[Jessel]

I also hate the, like, does anyone have any questions or beef they want to address with Rebecca? It's like, just ask someone a pointed question. Just be like, you know, I don't know. Does anyone in here disagree? It's like, no one's going to be like, I do.

[Uba]

She definitely was set up in that. Yeah.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I will say I'm for a slow season. As I said earlier, I've. The reunions kind of gave me a lot. A lot to work with. I'm a fan of Zen uba, but I don't know. Oh, you don't know about uba?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No, I love uba.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'm a size about, like, I think she's the best, but I just. This is mostly on the Brin drama of it all, which, you know, obviously there's, you know, the fact that they. Throughout the whole, you know, part two, Andy and the rest of the cast had to, like, make sure that they let Bryn know, like, we believe your story as it relates to what happened to you. And then simultaneously be put in a position to also have to question her. There was a part of me that, like, started understanding Bryn's point of view, except that ever. It's. It was like I was blown away by, like, all the, like, when they were kind of all going back and forth about, like, who said what when, and like, every. Every word out of Bren's mouth. The entire cast is like, we didn't say that. We didn't say that. We didn't say that. I mean, it really painted. Bryn is like a. Just a compulsive liar. When you couple that with the subject in which we were talking about, it just. It just makes it really uncomfortable, comfortable to like, to lump those all in together and have a discussion about it, you know, while you're like. While Bryn's saying all these things and all the women are like, we didn't say that. We didn't say that. You're like, what are you. Like, what are you talking about? You're just making up and then having Annie to be like, just so you know, no matter what, we, you know, we believe this, but, like, it's the other part we're struggling with. It was just hard to.

[Nick Viall]

I felt like mentally she couldn't disconnect the two from each other because she felt like all these women hate her. So it's like. Like that. We're not denying that your story is true. It's just the other parts that go along with it where it's like, you're even still saying, I sucked a dick for this job. And it's like, that's not what UBA said. But, like, you were convinced that that's what she said. So it's like almost like the repetitive nature of repeating the same things. But it is very difficult to have a conversation trying to be, like, clarifying what's a lie and what's the truth when it's also surrounded around such a sensitive topic.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Where I understand Bryn is that given what happened to her, you would think she'd be allowed to have moments of, you know, like, for lack of better.

[Nick Viall]

Word, messiness, being triggered.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You know, to moments of being triggered, moments of being reactive, moments of feeling out of body and. And. And saying. And maybe not remembering everything she said.

[Jessel]

You know, I mean, Psy straight up said, you weaponize your experience for the downfall of a friend, and that is an awful thing to do. And I think that's when Bryn was like, watch your words. Like, to tell someone that they weaponize their experience is after someone has been.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Openly talks about like, is it messy that Bryn was in fact really just messy in that moment, said some things that weren't totally accurate without the intention of weaponizing it to take down Ubo. I understand what the women are saying. I understand, like, that this is a very obviously sensitive topic. And like, when you make an accusation, which I guess in what Bryn is saying, that it wasn't an accusation, that it was just like, I don't know, something she was saying while being attacked.

[Jessel]

But it also gets confusing because, you know, when Bryn is saying, like, yeah, I called UBA and I was rambling and I was saying all these things, things that has. That have happened to me. And then for Uber to be like, you never said those words to me, that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's the hard part. Because UBA is like, dead set on, like, I didn't. You didn't say that. And I tend to believe uba, but I'm still willing to acknowledge that, like, Bryn thought she said that. That's not that unbelievable.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Especially given what, like, Brynn has been through and like, the trauma that can cause and like, having had a front row seat to people who have opened up about that, like, I can at least understand. Understand that position. So it, it does feel like I understand where UBA is upset, but I like, yeah, how, how can, how can the rest of ladies be so sure of Bryn's intentions?

[Aaron]

Right.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You know, well, and I think it.

[Nick Viall]

Was a very, like, powerful moment because you have this. Them talking about what happened in UBA pretty much saying, like, I want nothing to do with you, whatever. But then it's like even any reference coming back to the experience that happened with Bryn, like, UBA gets up and hugs her and wants her to say sorry and just like, wants her to know that she's supported. So it's kind of like if UBA can move on from what's happening, where that's something that directly affected her, then it's like, yes, all the other women, it's like, lay off a little bit because it's just like, Bryn's going through a lot. She might not handle herself well, but she also did say that she does want to learn how to be a better friend and, and to be more direct. So it's like, all she can do is just move forward with it. But she's somebody who's had a very troubled childhood and a very troubled experience growing up. So it's like, to add insult to injury, it doesn't make any sense.

[Sai]

It's also not really, like, about the other women it's like, I mean, it affects them, but who it really directly affects is, like, Brennan uba.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, that was the problem too, is, like, I feel like they really leaned into this topic because there's literally nothing else to discuss and talk about. So now they're milking this topic that feels like it shouldn't be milked.

[Jessel]

Like, cybing. Like, I'm so shocked that UBA went and hugged her.

[Sai]

It's like, it's not.

[Jessel]

She was breaking down. Like, what, you're shocked that. That UBA has, like, empathy and, like, felt like. Like Brynn needed a hug in that moment. And like, I. I am not a fan of Sai this reunion. I didn't appreciate anything she really had to say. Although I will say I am on Psy and Raquel team with the whole, like, UBA was disrespecting Puerto Rico and, like, on a platform where Puerto Rico needs tourism. And, like, you're gonna say that their beaches are dirty in this and there's dead pigeons and there's nasty water you don't want to walk in. Like, that's definitely gonna affect people wanting to go to Puerto Rico. And, like, they were valid in being like, you can't.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Have you guys ever seen the movie Sideways about wine?

[Sai]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

The line, I'm not drinking Merlot, like, crashed the Marlowe market for years. Like, it.

[Jessel]

It's just now.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's just now recovering. And that's like a 15, 20 year old movie. But it does, like, that.

[Jessel]

That matters for these effects.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

For the average person who, like, isn't like a Somalia or a. A travel coordinator and they're like, should we go to Puerto Rico?

[Sai]

Or like, Ubun Real Housewives or Jamaica?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, you know, they're like, no, I actually went to.

[Jessel]

Beaches were dirty and, like, dead pigeons were everywhere.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Definitely really has an effect.

[Nick Viall]

No, you're so right too, because I'm like, there's a lot of trips that even I've planned based off of seeing it come up on Real Housewives. It's like, oh, my God, what is this tropical island that they're on?

[Jessel]

I mean, we do the same with restaurants. Like, when we were watching the Valley, we were like, oh, my God, there's a rest. There's a new restaurant. We haven't tried that. And if they were like, oh, my God, this guacamole is disgusting, we probably wouldn't go there.

[Nick Viall]

Exactly.

[Sai]

We hear the biophiles can say that Puerto Rico is beautiful.

[Jessel]

I went there for our honeymoon. I. I love Puerto Rico so much.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Puerto Rico Lovely.

[Sai]

Bad bunny.

[Nick Viall]

Bad bunny.

[Jessel]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Jessel]

Wow, look at this setup.

[Aaron]

Hi. Live from New York.

[Jessel]

Live from New York in your own studio.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, thank you for joining us. We're excited to talk talk with you.

[Aaron]

I'm so excited. This is two years in the making, I think from the first dm.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, you were. Rebecca and I first messaged because she was deep in Scandival and was at a dinner party with apparently some friends talking about our coverage of Scandival. Have you ever met Tom?

[Aaron]

No. No. And I, I can't even keep my head straight around it. So just, it's. The RAM is full now with lots of other, other things have been replaced.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, we just obviously got done watching reunion part two and you I think overnight announced that you will be leaving Roni is. Maybe we should just start there.

[Aaron]

Rip the band aid off.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, Like, I mean it was, I was not, I didn't know what to expect you coming in. But that, that room felt very cold and harsh. Were you caught off guard by the energy that you walked into at the reunion?

[Aaron]

I think that I expected the energy to be like that because I knew what was being discussed. I obviously knew UBA and Bryn's situation was going to come before I went on. And that can't be easy. So when I walked into the room and took a read, I knew everyone was having their own energy preservation of just what went on. But I expected it to warm up knowing like, you know, it was, it was time for my, my part and that never happened. It felt cold. It remained cold for the balance until I left. So I, that part I was not expecting.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay. Like obviously you and Aaron seemed to get into it then a little bit of you and Bren, but just the energy in the room, period, seemed like. I know they were all kind of mad at you for some reason.

[Aaron]

Yeah, I. Maybe there's a group chat that I'm not part of that something was planned prior to my arrival because I was on what I thought great terms with. I mean, obviously Bryn and I aren't besties, but I walked into the reunion thinking it would be fine. And I was honestly as surprised as probably you guys were in that moment. And just normally I'm aware when I do something and I take ownership for it. I could not figure out what I did, but I remember looking at each one like, are you going to give me a lifeline? No. You? No. UBA and Jessal did, but the rest just. It just felt icy.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, what happened with you and Aaron? I mean, have you been able to fit. Figure out, like, what her issues are with you? And are you guys still at angst with each other, or are you guys been able to reconcile at all?

[Aaron]

I think it started there was a Bravo Con weekend where, you know, she was on stage really distancing herself from the prank. And I, you know, I don't want to talk about the prank. We've all heard it ad nauseam, but I was very much like, you know, I sent a text, I think they showed it, like, you know, we did this together. I'm happy to take responsibility, but you were part part of it. And that was met with then her going back on stage and kind of making fun of the brand. And as a friend who I thought she was a, you know, a true friend. We hung out together, our kids have played together, our husbands met. I was like, wow, you're gonna. You're gonna do that to me? Okay, fine. And then we played phone tag. She chose not to call back after the last call. And then an episode aired with some sensitive stuff about her father. And I didn't check in on. On her because I had actually checked in on her and been there for her when her dad actually passed. And I was hurt from the weekend. And so I guess to her, that made me fake and inauthentic and not standing up for women. And so we have yet to rectify anything. But I said, if people can be accountable, I don't hold grudges. You know, when Sai apologized to me after calling me too nice and boring, I accepted her apology because I'm a grown woman. So I think as long as people are willing to do that work, like the. The door's open.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Did being called nice and boring bother you?

[Aaron]

I didn't like that. Somehow when you're calling someone nice, that's now negative. Like, since when is being nice like a. A negative term? Maybe in Housewives land, that's now negative. But I was like, so I'm being made fun of because I'm nice? Cool. Okay. So it didn't upset me, but I was like, let's. Let's not further degrade women by saying a nice person is. Is. That's boring behavior to be nice.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So you felt like it just. Her intention was. Was negative, and that's the issue you had in a way.

[Aaron]

I mean, I don't think her intention was negative. Sai just calls it as she thinks it and feels it. And I think that she was just speaking her mind. It was a hot mic moment, and that's. That's what came out.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Have you tried to reach out to Aaron since the reunion?

[Aaron]

I have not.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Why not?

[Aaron]

Why?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, I mean, I guess are you hoping to reconcile or are you kind of like her? Because I guess if I. If I. If I found out a friend was mad at me, I guess I would just. I would been like, hey, let's. Let's. Let's have a cup of coffee and. And. And put it in their court. You know, for me, it's just more like if a friend's mad at me and I did something wrong, I would just. I would want to put the ball in their court. So I could say, like, I did what I could, so to speak. And I guess I'm just like, but maybe you're just kind of over it.

[Aaron]

Wait, are you saying I should do. I should do everything I. I can?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, I don't think you should do anything. I'm just kind of curious, like, where. Like, where's your heart when it comes to this friendship? Like, if I didn't care about our friendship, if, like, if someone called me out or whatever, and like, you know, and I was like, what are you talking about? Like, maybe I'd be like, there's a lot of friends I've had where I'm like, you know what? Maybe we've outgrown each other. I've. I've moved on. Sometimes it's like, you know, what I up. Or, you know, I don't agree with them, but, like, I clearly upset them. So, like, but I do miss this friend. But, like, so I'm just gonna reach out to him and say, hey, whenever you're ready, I'm ready. And I'm like, but maybe you're not ready.

[Aaron]

I'm always ready. Again, if someone wants to be responsible and accountable, like, I am happy to engage. If she decides to do that, then I'm happy to have a conversation. She publicly humiliated me more than one time.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Aaron]

I did clap back one time. She didn't like that. And so I guess it's not a 22 way street.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Jessel]

Yeah, I think it's definitely different when it's on a national television show and, like, you know what you're doing a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So I. I see where you're coming from on that.

[Aaron]

Yeah. But, yeah, it's not like you can publicly humiliate someone and then privately apologize. You know what I mean?

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

I think you have to figure out, you know, how do you. How do you see if you did anything that could have been really hurtful? And again, I. I'm happy when people take accountability. I took it. It for my mistakes. It's actually easier when people do that.

[Jessel]

No, that's true. How long were you actually on stage for? Because for us, it was the five questions Andy asked only about Scientology. And then you were done. Did he ask you anything else?

[Aaron]

Yeah, I was there for about an hour. He asked the girls what they thought about my style. We had more conversations about, you know, the thing that shall not be spoken about, the prank. Um, I'm trying to think of. What else did we talk about? I think it was an hour mostly of. Of that type of content.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Are you happy you went on Roni, or do you regret going on Roni?

[Aaron]

I have zero regrets. Zero.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Aaron]

I have a lot of lessons I learned. I. We got incredible things. I had incredible opportunities. I made some good friends out of it. And, you know, there are parts that are really, really fun. And part of what was sad about last night was when I made my statement, I was like, there's a lot of things I'm going to miss. But it wasn't, you know, for me, something I wanted to chase. That feeling of the anxiety, the mental headspace that you have to be in in those moments. And it got dark, as you saw on the finale, and I didn't want to be in those moments. I feel like I've done a really thorough job of going through my life and trying to eliminate as much negativity as I can can. And so for me, it was like, where are the good feelings? And let me chase that. I love what I do at Female Founder Collective. I love talking about my book and having my podcast. I love designing. I love being with my family. Let's chase those feelings. And so that was where I had to say, doesn't matter about money or it being amazing for my business, if it's, if it causes those things to my heart, it's not. Not worth it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, I could, I could never. I mean, I. I give all the housewives and every person in the Bravo community a lot of credit just because it asks a lot of. Of its cast members to, you know, really, really be open about everything in their life, Whether you want to be open about it or not. They, you know, the audience really is. Is demanding of that. I guess my question, when you said yes to the experience, were you surprised just how demanding Bravo its fans and I guess production is of, you know, know, it's like, I don't think they seem to care much about your boundaries, so to speak. Right. And I think that's kind of like this unwritten rule of reality TV in general, and specifically with Bravo and its fans, with its cast members, it's like, if you want us to root for you, if you want to be on the show, you gotta just talk about all that, even rumors and yada yada, which is crazy behavior. But like, that is. That is what is expected. Did you realize that when you signed up for it? Or is that something you kind of discovered or like, or just realize just how authentic, you know, Bravo and its fan base and community expects of its. Its housewives and its cast people.

[Aaron]

I was fully warned, so I went open with Eyes Wide Awake. I was happy to share anything that was asked or questions that were brought up if they were done with the right intention in certain topics, which I'm sure you're going to ask me about. I don't think I was prepared for the media to twist my words. Like what they did over and over again, that surprised me that I could take something that was positive or funny. And then it's like I think I said on an interview, like I literally was with Jenna Lyons saying like, haha, wouldn't it be funny if we were rivals? It was a joke. Even in the interview, I say it's a joke. And then the headline is, Rebecca tries to produce fake scene with Jenna Lyons. I was like, are you kidding me? You know, like just. That was really shocking to me and it made me want to not open up. Because you're like, now what are people gonna say? So that was hard to navigate. I'm sure from this interview people are gonna twist my words again. And I'm like, okay, here we go. Let's see what they come up with. Now, so it's. That's a fascinating thing to see how reality can be twisted like that.

[Jessel]

I said this earlier, and I'd love to know your opinion on it, but I thought it was very strange how they. They crucified you for not talking about your religions and all of that stuff. But we have Jenna Lyons who doesn't open up about what she had for breakfast. So, like, how do you find the balance of, like, why do I get hold to this, such high expectation, but other people in this cast don't?

[Aaron]

You know, I think in the moment when I was going through reunion whack, a mole, as I'll call, was something that came to my mind. I was like, wait, there's a lot of things that people aren't talking about, and there are a lot of things that were done and shot by some other cast members when they weren't happy with the outcome. Why is this just on me? But I think. I don't know what goes into the minds of who gets the favoritism or the free pass and who doesn't. But I think that certain people were allowed to not talk about things, and that was okay for them to have those boundaries. And with me, the irony, right, if I would have come in and been like, want to talk about it? Want me to share everything? People would have been like, she's proselytizing. She's trying to convert people. So either way, right, if I was going to be reserved or. And. Or if you're, you know, asking me respectfully, I'll engage. But any way I played it in that scenario, I likely would have been attacked. So sometimes you just go, oh, you know what? I can't please all. And I'm just going to do the best that I can do, if that makes sense.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. Do you have, like, as far as the Brin and Uber of it all, you know, and we mentioned this kind of earlier. You know, obviously this is a very sensitive topic as it relates to what happened to Brin, but, like, yeah, what. How do you see it? Because another thing that I really noticed, too, it's just like all the women were just basically calling Bryn a liar about many things. You know, like, it's like Bren would say, I had ketchup, whatever. And she's like, you didn't say that. You know, and at the same time, we obviously want to hold space for. For Bryn and this very terrible event that happened to her. You know, how did you see it in terms of the other women being so certain of Bryn's intentions Because while it does seem like Bryn has. Has some issues with the truth, when it came to this event, you know, of, Of Brynn's confession about what happened to her, in some ways I understand Bryn being like, I, you know, I wasn't in the right mindset. You know, this is a very traumatic event. She's. People are coming at her. She's obviously triggered. And while it seems like she, you know, I understand Uba's frustration. I understand that they have a lot to work through. Some of the other women being so certain of Brad Brin's intention in accusing her of trying to destroy uba, that was a little lost on me because how can they be so sure of something? Especially when we're talking about sexual assault, we're talking about trauma and things of that nature. But where do you land on that topic?

[Aaron]

I land on the topic first and foremost, I a hundred percent believe what Bryn said happened to her. And I think that any woman who has had to go through that experience, I can't even imagine what's going through your mind and how you talk about it after, afterwards, you know, being there in that moment, seeing it all go down in real time, it was very clear that UBA did not know. And that once again, as we saw throughout the season, Bryn was stirring the pot and it went too far. The pot overflowed. And I think, you know, none of us were recording this and maybe we should have. Cameras were down. Everyone had gone home. And when she was telling us the story, story of how it got, you know, how she told UBA and details were missing and things were changing, it just became clear that UBA did not know. I don't think that anyone swears on their deceased mother or their future unborn, unborn child or has the visceral reaction. I was in the room with uba. I was the one sitting in front of her, getting her to come back down to earth because she was not here. I was packing her bag for her so she could leave the. For the hotel. Someone doesn't act like that if they knew. So I think two things can be true. What Ben went through sounds horrific and a nightmare, but to weaponize that at size said is. It's unacceptable. And we watch these little lies and these twisting of truths all season. It was very obvious, you know, happened to me right away almost. So I think that, yeah, it's, it's sad.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Do you think Bryn's intention was to weaponize it? I mean, you were there, so maybe we're being a little critical of the.

[Aaron]

Other ladies, I don't think she goes, ooh, let me weaponize this. I think she said, ooh, let me start, you know, this fight and have it be chaos. Because all night, if you. If you look back, you know, for 24 hours, she was throwing out bait to different people. She threw it out to Aaron. She threw it out to Jessel. You know, she. In one scene, and if they ever want to play this footage, you know, she's like, why don't you start this? And I was like, I wasn't there. I'm not doing that. And, you know, she takes a shot, rolls her shoulders back, and throws out the bait. So to me, I think she was just looking for someone to bite, and unfortunately, it was the wrong topic to have someone bite.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So you. You think she knew what she was saying when she said it, and she knew she was saying something that wasn't true?

[Aaron]

I think she knew what she was saying. I don't think she knew the drastic consequences. I think she thought maybe this will end and erupt like any other situation. But this. This topic, you can't do that with. But I don't want to assume and put words in her mouth or tell anyone what. What she was thinking, because I. I have no idea, to be honest.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

We understand that. But you. You were there, and it's like, it's easy for us to debate, you know, hypotheticals when we weren't, you know, like, it's. It matters to see someone's body language and look on their face when they say something, as opposed to, like, maybe she was hysterical, and you're like, I don't know. Maybe she honestly had no idea what she was saying. So it's interesting to hear your point of view.

[Aaron]

I think it was just a bad, bad move on the chessboard to have that be the topic.

[Jessel]

Do you think Bryn is trying to produce the show?

[Aaron]

I think that at times she tried to produce. Yes.

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

And I think that no one wants that. So I think we didn't like it. The producers didn't like it.

[Jessel]

The fans didn't like it.

[Aaron]

But at the end of the day, you need conflict. And would we have had conflict without Al Brin? I don't know. So in a way, she can be great for that franchise.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, it's tough. I mean, look at it, you know, this drama aside. I mean, to that point, it's like, you know, if Jenna. If Jenna's gonna be like, how's my robe? You know, like, it's really tough to work with that. You know, if Your stick is the unproblematic queen. I don't know how to work with that.

[Aaron]

It's like, listen, I would sit there going, okay, none of us are naturally and organically gonna fight. And you know what? Sometimes I'm like, Bryn took one for the team in a way that she. She was aware of, of the conflict that needs to happen in order for this to be interesting, good or bad. And I think that, you know, at the end of the day, though, it needs to be real. It shouldn't be produced.

[Jessel]

How did it feel to be in a space that these people preach, like, you know, women empowerment and support women and this and that, and then to have all of these women bash your brand?

[Aaron]

Well, luckily, it was only two people brashing my brand.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Who. Who are the two?

[Aaron]

I think it was only two. I think it was just Bryn and then Aaron at the end.

[Jessel]

Well, there was the interview, I think of wasn't it uber? Someone saying that you had gifted them the bags and they were like, yeah, I haven't worn them or not my style.

[Aaron]

That was Aaron. UBA said she liked the bag, and so I don't count her as okay, okay, okay. I guess it hurt more when Aaron did it, because Aaron's my friend, right? It hurt less when Bryn did it. It was actually a gift because I was like, oh, I see you now. Okay, this is the game we're playing. Cool. It did not hurt me in the way that I think everyone expected. Like, they were like, why didn't you stand up for yourself? I'm like, I don't even need. This is petty to me. Do you know what has happened to me in the 20 years I've built my business? Like, I have been single white femaled in my own company. I have had, you know, things thrown at me. Like, you name it, I've experienced it. So someone trashing a brand just shows that they don't understand business, frankly. So that was not upsetting to me. It was just like, thank you for the gift. You know, my gut is right. I see you. For Aaron, I was like, that sucks. That really sucks. And then I went low as well, and I clapped back, and here we are today, not talking.

[Jessel]

So, I mean, I think that's what's so upsetting is like, they focused so much on other things in your life that it's like, you seem like you have been through so much and. And you have worked your way to such a high level of success that it's like, I would have loved to learn that about you, but they Weren't interested in, you know.

[Aaron]

You know, that was the disappointment I had because going in and I truly believe this. When I had my conversations with production, it was like eight elevated women, all self made, diverse backgrounds, fun, funny, you know, with who I am and what I stand for and what I do all day long. I would never, I think, have agreed to come into this type of environment had I known. And maybe someone can say that was naive of me, but that's what I was genuinely told and it was reiterated many times. And so I think it's. It's just this, you know, like, all right, how am I going to navigate this? In a way, I have to remain authentic to me. And I did show more. There are scenes on the cutting room floor, you know, of fun office stuff with my daughter and photo shoots and dinner, you know, a dinner event. Me and Jenna and Jessel and Raquel would do. Jaisal and I did this fashion and founders event for 30 incredible designers. That was all there. You know, UBA put together an amazing panel with Fern Malice and me and Melissa Wood Tepperberg and we talked about our careers. All gone. So it was there. Yeah, if, if it, if people had made the decision that that was important. And I think women are ready to see this stuff on tv. You can have both. You can have these powerful, awesome moments and then you can have the petty fighting. But for whatever reason, it was all just this. Becky doesn't talk and, and she's boring.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

How much of your religion, specifically to Scientology, do you think impacted your experience on this season?

[Aaron]

You mean in how I was viewed?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, that too. And how the women, you know, like, I didn't realize when you would come on, they would, you know, your entire conversation would be mostly centered around that.

[Aaron]

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize that either.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But. But yeah, it, it did. You think that's ultimately what framed your character arc or whatever? You know, they, they seem to focus on that.

[Aaron]

There was a lot of focus on it. I very much felt like there's an entire world here. As I mentioned, just three scenarios that was not focused on. Again, I can't speak to why. I'm assuming it's clickbait headlines and attention getting because it is a newer religion. People don't understand it. So they, they will click that over something else. Um, I was disappointed in the fact that, you know, with, with almost everyone, I was happy to have the conversation, but I'm only gonna have it with you if it's genuine and it's your interest. It's not this salacious type seeking opportunity. And so that's where. When I know you're gonna do that, like at the picnic, if. If you've never bothered to get to know me. And my experience with you thus far is these little annoying jab. My brand. You think I'm going to open up to you about my most personal and private beliefs. Like, who the hell would?

[Jessel]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

You know, so it was like a little laughable to me that they're like, you should have opened up more. Oh, really? You made it safe for me. I don't think so. And so that's how I kind of felt about it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'm gonna try to ask you a question around this. You can let me know if you think it's respectful or not.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But I. I want you to feel comfortable. There was a scene you had with Aaron, like, when she brought it up to you and you said something I found very interesting. Interesting, or Aaron brought up criticisms that Scient has received or something to that effect. And you said something like, you know, like, all religions, there are good and bad aspects to it or something like that. And like, you have pulled through what you found to be the good aspects of that. Right. Something to that effect. Does that resonate with you?

[Aaron]

Was this the reunion?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No. You guys were at like a lunch or something, you know, and you were basically like, hey, listen, like, there's just things that I've personally have benefited from, you know, being a Scientologist, where it was like, I. I'm just saying, like, I kind of related to that comment. I grew up very Catholic. Right. So, yeah, I have very positive experiences growing up Catholic. I don't practice much anymore these days, but my experience was always positive. Right. And I. I resonated with that comment because, like, as someone who grew up Catholic, I was also very much made aware from people a lot of times who weren't Catholic, some of their criticisms of the Catholic faith, specifically with some of the things that priests have done and some of the. Quite honestly, like, some of the very terrible accusations that have centered around Catholic religion. So. And as someone who was a Catholic, you know, it's like, I felt like I could still be a proud Catholic while Also acknowledge, you know, that some things have gone on in the church that I don't necessarily stand for or agree with, but acknowledge that maybe they have happened. And I think, you know, like, for me, for example, and I'll just speak for myself, I know very little about your religion in I'm fully. And most of what I know is the criticisms it's received. And I think. And some of those criticisms make you a little uncomfortable sometimes where you're just like, I don't even know how to talk to a Scientologist. I don't even know if it's safe to talk to a Scientologist because of some of the stuff I've heard. And I think sometimes people have those questions about the criticisms because, like, they just want to know, like, what's up, you know, type of thing where it's like, d. You know what I'm saying? Saying, like.

[Aaron]

So I do.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It feels like sometimes a refusal to, like, even acknowledge some of the criticisms or even talk about them, which makes some people, I think, not speaking for other people per se, but, like, even myself, where it's just like, well, what's up with that? You know, Because I can say, like, some Catholic priests, like, deserve to be in prison. And I'm cool with saying that. You know, does that make sense?

[Aaron]

It makes total sense. So I'll say a couple things. I think that when you have any activity that involves millions of people, there are going to be some dissatisfied couples, customers. Right. No one is discounting that. I can only speak from my experience of having done it and applied it to my life for the last 20 years of what it's done for me. I also think that I am never, ever, ever uncomfortable by anyone asking me anything. You could ask me all the crazy questions about everything you've heard any time of day. It is only when I know I'm on a reality TV show. They're going to cut this. They're going to have someone say something behind my back about doesn't. And going in. You know, there are these preconceived ideas, like. And I said it last night at the reunion, this show is not the format to answer everyone's questions in terms of am I going to get a fair shot? And I think you can see I didn't get a fair shot. So my. My observations were probably correct. But if you wanted to ask me whatever you wanted, if we wanted to sit down and have a drink, and you go, okay, this is everything. Oh, my gosh. I'm happy to clear that up, because it's the misconceptions about it that I think people do want to know, and rightfully so, you know, and. And one of the things that Brent didn't like, I was like, read a book. You know, go to the website. It's free. And she thought that was weird. But I'm like, but that's the that's the source of the information. You know, so I'm. I'm never scared or uncomfortable, but it does come down to intention behind it. Is it to know and be curious and want to clarify, Clarify, or is it to be snide and. And dig and try and, you know. You know, make someone wrong? If that makes sense.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, I mean, I. Yeah, I. I guess I understand it. I mean, like, when it comes to some of the criticisms, are you, like, do you acknowledge that? Like, you know, like, are any of the rumors or, like, is there must be some truth about them? You know, kind of like I said, like, you know, like you said, you can't speak for everyone, but I'm. I acknowledge that. That, like, you know, I mean, a priest I knew growing up turned out to be a bad guy.

[Aaron]

I mean, we'd have to sit here and go through every one of them.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, no, but, like, I. And that's not my intention of doing that.

[Aaron]

Raquel brought up, like, I have to give a percentage of my salary. I texted her. I was like, by the way, ma'am, I don't give anything to anyone that I don't want to give to. So let's just be clear. And she's like, well, good, because that would be a lot of money, you know, and it was just like, no, I don't have to give a part of my salary to anything. It's. It's me, my money. And so I think that there's. You know, again, everyone has different questions, but I can tell you that the things that were asked of me, at least from the cast, that I answered, whether with Jessalyn or Kel, no, those things are not true. And for me, again, it helped me overcome extreme depression, depression that I thought I could never get out of. It helped me be a better mom and communicator and raise children that, you know, while they're not perfect, neither am I. Are good. Are good, happy kids.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay, well, thank you for answering some of those questions. What's next for you, Rebecca?

[Aaron]

Well, my book Fearless is out in paperback. I guess you could say I was a bit fearless going in and getting out of Roni. And what I. What my goal was in writing this book was to have 22 very easy tools that you can remember when you're facing things that scare the fuck out of you and do you proceed. And so, after 20 years in business, I felt like I had enough insane stories to tell. So I'm telling you these rules through my stories of failure and cringeworthy moments and the lessons I learned. And then I have my podcast, which continues to be exceptionally exciting with the guests I have. And just working on my 20th anniversary, which is all year long. We're just to party.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

All right, well, thank you for taking the time, Rebecca. We really appreciate. Sad to see you leave, Ronnie, and wishing you nothing but the best going forward.

[Aaron]

Thank you guys for having me.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's. It was very uncomfortable asking that Scientology question.

[Nick Viall]

I think you did that very, very well.

[Jessel]

Listen, I 100 get where she's coming from. If you are of any to talk to open up about any personal aspect of your life, whether it's your beliefs, whether it's whatever you practice this, whether it's children, whether it's past Trump, like anything in your life, you don't want to open that up in a room of people who don't give a about.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You get that.

[Jessel]

And, like, don't create a safe space. Like, I 100 get where she's coming from. I wouldn't answer any questions either.

[Uba]

Same, same.

[Sai]

I think it was gross of Bravo to do what they did to her regarding Scientology. However, they're just, why bring it? Like, why bring her on the show? And then why platform something that's that controversial in that way without, like, fully having the capability to deal with it? It's just, why did they do it.

[Jessel]

And cut out every other thing she ever shot for the show? It's like, you brought her on it.

[Sai]

Yeah, it's gross because now she's reality TVs like, spokeswoman of Scientology.

[Nick Viall]

I'm also so confused because I feel like they're making weird editing choices because Vanita from Southern Charm also posted a video earlier this week, and it was from the past episode of them being out at a bar and, like, having fun and drinking and all this stuff. And it's like, we don't get to see any of that. This season has been so boring. And then to come to find out that they filmed all of these events and things that they were actually working with together. It's like, why did we see none of that? Besides you guys sitting two by two talking about other cast members?

[Jessel]

I would have loved to see her at a photo shoot with her children. I would have loved to see her speak about her business. I would have loved to see her in other rooms with the women. But it's like, yeah, that is in theory, though.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But maybe it just didn't land.

[Sai]

Maybe she was boring.

[Uba]

Bravo needs to bring back their unseen footage episodes. They used to do it every single season of Housewives where, like, the last two episodes were after Reunion, and it was just like, every single footage you haven't seen, just there to watch.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, Vanderpump. They did that on Vanderpump, too. And it was just like, the most chaotic scenes that didn't make the episode. But even then, the episodes were chaotic and good. It's like you're cutting out all of the meat and bones and all of the good stuff, and then you're handing us a carcass, being like, how do you feel about this? And it's, like, boring. No taste, no flavor, no seasoning, no meat.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I think it's safe to say all these ladies on Roni were very measured and very safe and very, like, uncomfortable with leaning in, except for Bryn and not to ignorant. Excuse her for some of the behavior we saw. It was interesting to hear Rebecca, like, you know, to all these women, it. It seems very clear that they think Bryn knew what she was saying when she was saying it.

[Nick Viall]

Right. I was like. The only other person I feel like that was, like, vulnerable or gave us something outside of dynamics in this friendship group was Raquel, who actually, like, opened up about, like, her relationship with her parents and all that stuff. And I was like, why does nobody.

[Sai]

Else get, like, Jessel, kind of.

[Nick Viall]

And Jessel did, too, for sure. But I'm like, yeah, so. So it's like. But with these people that have so much power, and Raquel is just as powerful as a Jenna Lyons, for example, that I'm like, why are we. Why are we not having, like, Rebecca showing her at events, showing her, like, interacting with other people besides just people talking about her?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I think the one criticism I wanted to ask Rebecca about Scientology is the accusations around. Some of the people in that communities are known to harass and bully former members. It's. It's tough because, like, I get that. I get. I get what you're all saying. I really. I do. We don't talk about religion, period, on the show. You know, we don't be like, why are you Buddhist? You know, like, yeah, you know, we don't interrogate people's religions. But with this particular one, there is a lot more controversy around it with a lot more salacious theories and accusations that do make you uncomfortable given, like, a lot of people's belief that they are not rumors, that they're truth. And there does seem to be a caginess or resistance to talk about. I know. You know, I just. I don't know. I don't know. She.

[Sai]

She had the talking points that many, many Scientologists that speak publicly about Scientology have. It's similar. They all say very, very similar things in a way that leads many people to believe that. There's a coaching aspect of it. The communication aspect of it is a big part of it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's a tricky. It's a tricky one.

[Sai]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So it's like, she seems lovely.

[Jessel]

Yeah, she does.

[Sai]

She seems lovely. Yeah. Anyway, anyone who ever wants to watch the documentary going clear, I watched it. It makes you. Is it a religion I don't like? It's a complicated question.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, she seems delightful and we wish her nothing but the best. And hopefully she's able to maintain her friendships with most of the cast. And I hope that Aaron and her can reconcile. All right, that wraps it up for today. Don't forget to check out that interview with Carl Ratke. We have a really big week lined up for you next week. Super excited about what is coming up. Then we will see you then. Bye. The Val House is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try that progressive.com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states.