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Nick Viall
Alessia, I don't know if you. You probably don't remember, we met once.
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Alessia Cara
When was this?
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Nick Viall
Jingle Ball 2016.
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Alessia Cara
I do remember this.
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Nick Viall
I introduced you.
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Alessia Cara
I do remember this.
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Nick Viall
On stage. I've never introduced an artist before.
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Alessia Cara
That's. I do remember this. And I remember this because I watched. I mean, you're like.
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Natalie Viall
He pronounced my name wrong. I remember it.
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Alessia Cara
Oh, no, no, no. I watched you on the show that you were on and yeah, so I, I knew who you were and I thought it was so cool. I was like, oh my God. And it was like really early on in my career too, you know, and I hadn't really met many people, so it was very cool.
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Nick Viall
Mine too. I was definitely very nervous and I didn't really, I didn't. Never been on a stage before, like wearing an earpiece. Like, it's really kind of fascinating like how much you can't like hear the crowd.
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Alessia Cara
Oh, yeah. You're own little zone wild.
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Nick Viall
Yeah. I was like. I couldn't hear you. You almost like couldn't hear yourself talking. Unless you're talking in the mic. It was, it was a little trippy, but.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah. That's so cool. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm honored to be your first, your first on stage moment.
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Nick Viall
It was. Yeah. Are we. We're ready to rock and roll.
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Alessia Cara
You're crazy.
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Nick Viall
Well, Alessia, welcome to the Vile Files. Excited to be with you.
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Alessia Cara
Thank you. I'm excited to be here.
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Nick Viall
Congratulations, obviously on your release. Happy Valentine's Day.
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Alessia Cara
Thank you. Happy Valentine's Day.
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Nick Viall
Love and hyperbole out today.
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Alessia Cara
Yes.
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Nick Viall
How excited are you?
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Alessia Cara
I'm Very excited. I'm super nervous too because it's been so long since I've released an album. But I'm just mostly excited because I've been sitting on this stuff for so long. So it feels really good to just finally have it out. And like I've been checking social media and like seeing people talking about songs that were like a secret for so long and hearing them hear it is like such a trip. I can't believe that like it's out. You know, it's so weird because you.
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Natalie Viall
Started working on this in 2021 or before.
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Alessia Cara
I think it was like, I mean the first little inklings and like thoughts about it were like late 2021, but I guess I didn't really start writing it officially until like 2022. That's just.
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Natalie Viall
That is a long time to be sitting on something though. To just like be working on it, sitting on it, constantly thinking about it. That's a long time.
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Alessia Cara
I know. It's been my secret.
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Nick Viall
I'm always fascinated like with like the idea of like the confidence and self belief and this idea that like why not me? Like I can kind of do anything. And then that feeling of like imposter syndrome sometimes of like doubting yourself, of you know, like you're just talking about being nervous, right? You know, your release date and those questions that seep into your head, like will people enjoy it? You know, do like whatever thoughts come into your head and that balance. Do you ever feel that where you sometimes wake up one day and there's this like this true inner belief that you have of like I love my music, people love my music and you just feel really good about it. Or other days where you just like that self doubt creeps in, you know, and that, that juggle between the two constantly. Because I feel like that's something I'm always constantly juggling with. Like some days I feel like I'm on top of the world and like, like I have this great belief in myself. And other days it's just like how am I, like what am I even doing here?
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Alessia Cara
You know, Like I so feel that. I so feel that. I feel like that's the experience of a lot of artists or even just people like in the. Because on one end like you, you have to sort of have a level of confidence in order to do this and put yourself out there, right? But then I think something about just like being perceived by people or when you have a lot of like blessings in your life and things that come to you, there is that sense of like, but do I deserve this or, you know, I'm. I'm an artist because I'm sensitive and I'm sensitive because I'm an artist. And so I think that I juggle between that all the time. Um, I think my default is to, if I had to pick between which one is more frequent or what the default is. Unfortunately, it's like that, like, imposter syndrome side, you know, just not really feeling, I don't know, like, good enough in life. I've always kind of felt that. So, you know, when you have it on this scale where you have people constantly telling you, like, who you are and if you are good enough or not to them, like, that really can kind of sometimes get in your head. So I kind of do juggle between. I think I am a lot better at it these days, though. I, like, try really hard to stay focused.
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Nick Viall
How do you do that? Like, how do you work through that process even as an artist? Again, like, there's this another battle of, you have a fan base, you have a team. I'm assuming you have a lot of praise and adoration. Like, how do you keep yourself grounded and stay that? I think what a lot of fans love about you is that authenticity. You are a pop star, but you don't present as something like an out of touch pop star where you feel very connected to your audience. How do you do that and how do you maintain that?
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Alessia Cara
I guess I just really try to hold onto any sense of normalcy because, you know, the second I kind of got launched into this world, I realized it was so far from reality and the reality of, you know, my friends and peers in my personal life. And I didn't like that feeling. I wanted to feel like I was a part of my family and a part of my friendships, and I can relate to people in my life. And so I decided just early on that I just wanted to maintain any possible sense of normalcy. And so, you know, when I'm not doing this, I just live a very normal, easy, chill life and I just do regular things. I didn't. I really didn't stop myself from just going out and doing things. And, you know, if I got spotted, I got spotted, it's fine. You know, until that just became normal for people. And I keep a lot of my personal life just off social media. I don't really talk about it, and I think that really just helps me separate, you know, so I can, like, take off the hat at night and put it back on when I need to, you know, And I'M still very much myself, but I think it's just like keeping certain things away from this is what helps me stay grounded, you know, just reminding myself that I'm a normal person and this is my job. This is a job. And yeah, yeah, you did get into.
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Natalie Viall
This industry very young. I mean, how old were you when you first started? Like, I mean, I know you released that, your debut album at 18, right?
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Alessia Cara
Yeah, yeah.
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Natalie Viall
So you must been working on that for quite some time. Before I was.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah, I was in school. I was in high school. While secretly working on this album, I would like, felt like a kind of like Clark Kent Superman thing, like after.
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Nick Viall
School, math or writing art.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like. And I was so shy to tell anyone, so I barely told anybody at my school that I was doing this. But like, after school I would go to the studio, I'd have my dad drive me to the studio in the city and I'd go in with my backpack still on sometimes my uniform still on, and I would, you know, be learning how to make these songs with these collaborators, you know, and just figuring out how to be in a studio for the first time and crafting, you know, what eventually became the first album which I had, I had no idea would become the first album. But yeah, that's kind of how it started. And then I found myself in this, like, fork in the road when it was time to graduate of, like, okay, do I try to take this album that I've made to like labels and try to get a manager and try to get signed, or do I go to university or college? You know, like, what do I do? And then I made a promise to my parents that if they let me take a year off before I go to college, if I get signed or if something happens in that year, wow, what a deal. Yeah, so that was the deal. And thankfully I. I ended up getting signed like right before that year, like ended. It was perfect timing, so it worked out.
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Natalie Viall
What was that conversation like, though, with your dad? Was it. Was it kind of like, I think I can sing, like I want to be a singer? Or was like your family kind of being like, you have this talent, you should pursue this?
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Alessia Cara
I think it was on. It was definitely coming from me. I come from a very blue collar Italian family. You know, the music industry was not really something in. We weren't in that orbit, like, at all. I have like an aunt who sings and she's wonderful and you know, my grandfather plays music and things like that, but, you know, it's not nothing like this. We had never, you know, seen anything like this. So I think for them they were a bit confused by the idea of me wanting to do this as a full time job. And I think admittedly they were a little scared, of course, as any parent would be. So they were trying their best to be supportive but also make sure that I have some sort of plan B, which is where the one year thing.
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Nick Viall
Yeah, imagine, you know, it's like we have a one year old daughter. So like as parents were, you know, I'm very excited about her getting older and fantasizing about what she might enjoy and do. And I, you know, it's funny, I remember this conversation. I love my parents. I had a great childhood and they gave me so many things. But there was a conversation I'll never forget with my dad. And I remember like lying in bed, I don't know how old I was, 5, 6, 7 years old. And he was kind of asking me what I wanted to do when I grew up. And I think I might have said something like, I want to be a professional athlete or something like that. And I remember my dad kind of saying, kind of. It was basically kind of like, oh, that's really cool. But like, I don't know, like, you know, professional athlete. It was almost like, and I get it where he was coming from. It was like, you know, that balance as a parent being between like again like believing in your kid but also trying to set your child up for success and having reasonable goals. And like, I imagine your parents, you're like, yeah, I want to, I want to be an artist, you know, or I want to sing. And it's kind of like, yeah, great. Or you know, like, what classes are you taking?
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Alessia Cara
Exactly, yeah, 100%. It was definitely that. And it was like you said, totally out of love, totally out of the, you know, just desire for me to have security and safety in my life and just to make sure that I am not going to be just left stranded. And I totally get that. But yeah, I've had those conversations too with so many family members of like, you know, maybe you should look into being a doctor or being a teacher and then doing music on the side. And I understand both sides. You know, I think it's important to like fuel your kids and make sure that you, you know, teach them that life is so big and that they can do anything. But I guess it is important to teach them other things too and like give them a sense of security. It's just, it's a hard balance. I don't know what I would do as a parent if my kids said that. If I was in their position and my kids said that. I don't. If I would have. I don't know what I would have done. I think I probably would have been like, yeah, because I'm a little delusional. But I don't know. It's. It's tough. But they were super supportive. And then once they saw that I, you know, had a management team, and then I got signed in this room, actually, which is so crazy. This is really the room. Yeah. Wow. Crazy.
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Natalie Viall
How old were you?
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Alessia Cara
I was, I think, on my 18th birthday. I think I signed the. The papers or something like that. I don't remember.
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Nick Viall
Did you do anything to celebrate or anything?
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Alessia Cara
No, I don't. I don't think so. I think I was just. I think maybe we went out for dinner, like, with my family, and we just celebrated that way. I think. I can't. Honestly can't remember. It was, like, 10 years ago now, and it was. All that time in my life was such a blur. But it's.
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Nick Viall
Sometimes those big moments, like, whatever it is, like, for you, your big deal. I remember when I was asked to be the Bachelor, and I thought that was kind of surreal. Or when we found out Natalie was pregnant, like, there was, like, these surreal moments where maybe you've thought about them in the past or you fantasize about them, and it happens. And then there's like, that gap between, like, you know, when we found out Natalie was pregnant, then it's like, all right, well, what should we get for dinner? You know, you kind of go back to life where I imagine you signed a deal, and it's like, you're not, you know, making music yet, and, like, there's all these things, and, like, there's this huge excitement around it. And then, like, you're like, okay, well, when does it start? Yeah, almost like that feeling, for sure.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah. It's like New Year's, like, when you count down and you're like, happy New Year. And then after that, you're like, okay, it's New Year now. We gotta do stuff. Yeah, that's how. That's how I felt with that, too. I was like, okay, what does this mean? And again, like, I was so far removed from this, I had no idea what even being signed meant. I just know that that's the thing you want, you know, as a. As an artist, you want to do that so you can have support and, you know, you do the stuff. So I had no idea. I Was still a teenager. I had no clue what was coming. And, yeah, we just kind of. I started, like, dipping my toe into it, and we put out the song here, which is my first song on SoundCloud, just to, like, see what would happen, Test the waters. And then it kind of just went a little.
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Nick Viall
We love a song. Soundcloud Jam.
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Natalie Viall
Yeah, I didn't realize. Yeah, I didn't realize. You put it on SoundCloud, and that's where it. Wow.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah. Yeah. Because I think the team was like, this is a great song. But it's like they didn't know if it was the right direction. I was very adamant that it was, because I was like, this is just such a cool song. And I think everybody was like, but I don't know. So we. I was like, okay, let's compromise. Let's just put it on SoundCloud. No pressure, and just see what happens. And they're like, okay.
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Natalie Viall
And then, I mean, your life completely changed after that. How. How did you manage going through a complete life change?
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Alessia Cara
It was so bittersweet. Cause I think on one end, it was extremely exciting. It was, like everything I ever wanted. You know, I was doing all these things that I dreamt of my whole life. But then there's this other side to it where, you know, when it becomes reality, it can be very overwhelming. Especially being, like, a young girl or just a young person. It was like, a lot. My whole life was completely different. You know, going from, like, having a life where I was just going from school to home, home to school, that. That was my life, to, like, traveling all over the world, different hotel room every day, being away from my friends and family, being recognized on the street, like, things like that. You know, your whole life is different. It was. It was very challenging, but also exciting. So it was like I was trying to balance both things of being grateful and excited, but also being like, okay, whoa, what the fuck is this?
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Natalie Viall
Yeah, yeah, it's tough. That's crazy.
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Nick Viall
You know, you've. Over the past few years, you've been kind of laying low a little bit. And now with this new album coming out, do you feel like you're kind of embarking on a new chapter or is it not that deep? And what was part of the reason for, like, laying kind of low? I think there was a lot of. A lot of your fans out there were, you know, kind of really starving for, like, new music and really excited. Did you feel that pressure and. Yeah, kind of. How do you see this chapter of your life in your career?
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Alessia Cara
Well, in terms of if I felt that pressure, for sure. I mean, there's pressure now. I put the album out and they're already like, all right, when's the next one, guys? Wow. It hasn't even been 24 hours. I think they are partly joking, but partly not. But, yeah, I mean, there's always that pressure, and that's. I mean, pressure is good because it means that there's people waiting and they're excited. So that's wonderful. But I think in terms of why I wanted to sort of lay low and take a little break was because, you know, at the time, it had been like seven or eight years that I've been doing this nonstop. And I think because of that, like, music was just, like my top priority, and I was neglecting a lot of areas of my life that I think I wanted to nourish and nurture a little bit. Like, just like, my friendships, my milestones that I missed of my family members and, you know, just personal things, like just my mental health and just feeling like a. Like a person, like a normal person. I just miss, like, walking to get a coffee and walking my dog and, like, doing regular things. I know that sounds kind of cheesy and weird, but it's the truth. Like, those things really. They really fuel you and they make you feel better, you know, when you need that. So I just was. And I just kind of developed a little bit of resentment, I think, for the industry. And I just was like, what do I want to say? Do I even want to say anything else? Do I want to be here? I had to just reshape, like, how I felt about myself as an artist and where I wanted to go, if I even wanted to continue or not. And I had to just find it again on my own terms.
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Nick Viall
I think there were moments of maybe deciding to hang it up, so to speak, and do something else in between.
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Alessia Cara
I think so, yeah. For a little bit. I was like, I don't know if I want to keep doing this anymore. For a few different reasons. That was just an internal conversation that I. That I was having. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know exactly what it was. I think I fell out of love with it for a second. Not so much music, but the industry itself because it's so ever changing. It's so challenging. There's a lot of things that are difficult about it. And I just felt for a while, like, is the juice, like, worth the squeeze here? What's, you know, what's the purpose in it. So I had to just find that and, like, rediscover my love for music and, like, why I started in the first place. And I had to start it on my. Not because I felt the pressure to or because. Felt like it's what I had to do. I just wanted to miss it, you know?
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Nick Viall
Yeah. Did you get as far as, like, thinking about what you would do?
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Alessia Cara
A little bit. And I thought about that now, too, because I don't, you know, this I don't think will be forever. You know, careers have peaks and valleys. Bold of me to assume that I'll still be, like, doing this at, you know, any sort of level forever. So I have thought about that. I mean, I would love to. It's hard because this is kind of the same industry, but I've always wanted to do acting or, like, at least, like, maybe write for, like, TV or movies or do, like, screenplays and stuff. But I guess it's still in the same industry, so I don't know. But that would be really fun. It's hard when you've been in the public to do something that's not in the public. I feel, you know, if I just went to go work somewhere else, it's strange. I don't know if.
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Natalie Viall
Working at the bank.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah, it'd be weird. But I would love to do, like. I would love to write behind the scenes for, like, movies or, like, write scripts and stuff. That's always been something that's interested me.
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Natalie Viall
I mean, you're obviously talented in writing, so it makes sense that you would, like, carry that on with whatever you did.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
Next.
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Natalie Viall
If you had to do something next.
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Nick Viall
It also, like, makes sense. I know you said it sounded kind of weird, but, like, that time apart, like, you are in the creative space. You're an artist. But like you said, the music industry or just entertainment in general has that business side, which I think for any creative person, it's a conflict of interest. It almost feels like. Right. And it's just like it's such a grind to keep going and wake up every day. Especially once you, like, have that success, you have that music that's out that people are loving and performing. And I can see how, like, without getting away or stepping back, it almost, like every day, it almost takes away a little bit of the artistry part of the music, where it's just like you're just showing up and you're singing and it just. You know.
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Sponsor
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Nick Viall
Like, you sure? You almost have to reset, you know, sometimes, because it's almost, you know, becomes that mundane feeling, you know, or just connecting with family and friends, like, finding your inspiration. It almost feels like. And whether it's. I hear that, you know, I'm a big sports fan, so even with, like, you know, athletes sometimes, like, the more success they have, the bigger contracts, they. They kind of lo what motivated him in the beginning, you know, for sure. And to kind of get away from it almost seems to bring you back to that spot.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah, I definitely felt that way because, I mean, I was a music fan before I was anything else. You know, I loved music genuinely before I even realized I could sing or wanted to sing that. I just loved music so much, you know, and I just wanted to get back to that. So I started just, like, listening to music as a fan again and just regaining that, like, innocent, youthful sense of love for it. And I think that was kind of the catalyst for me, like, wanting to. To start, you know, treading the waters a little bit and, like, keep going. Yeah, you just have to sometimes reconnect, and. And in order to do that, you have to get away from it, you know? And I think it also kind of, like, filled the tank with, like, new experiences to then go and write about, you know, if you. If you don't have any new experiences, where are you gonna pull inspiration from if you don't even feel like a person? Like, where are you gonna get the human experience if you're not really living the human experience? You're living in, like, a bubble, right? So. Yeah, well, it's.
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Nick Viall
We're recording this on Valentine's Day.
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Alessia Cara
Yes. Thank you, guys, for spending it with me, by the way.
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Natalie Viall
I'm like, we're only saying my nails.
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Nick Viall
Likewise.
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Natalie Viall
This is a dream of ours.
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Nick Viall
Well, in the album Love and Hyperbole, I mean, is it a coincidence that it dropped on Valentine's Day? An album that seems to be very centered around love, relationships, and just romance in general, or is that just a huge coincidence?
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Alessia Cara
I guess it's like, a bit of both, because when I first finished the album, I wanted to put it out in October of last year. I was pretty set, like, on that month. And then as it was approaching and I had a couple singles out, I was like, this is going a little fast, you know? Cause like I said before, I've been sitting on this album for about three years, and I feel like in pop music, sometimes things tend to just be a little bit disposable, and they go really, really quick, and people just pump stuff out, which I understand the necessity Of, I guess, to keep up with the industry. But I was like, I just wanted to give it a little time to breathe, savor it. Yeah. And so I was talking to my manager. We were at a restaurant, and I was. We were both. We both had that understanding of like, okay, I think we should move this. And then we were looking at, you know, dates in the new year, and he was like, what about February? And I was like, okay. And he's like, oh, my God, Valentine's Day. And we looked and we were like, oh, my God. And it's on the 14th and there's 14 tracks. We're like, oh, my God. This is like destined. It was very serendipitous. And we high fived. We're like, this is so cool. We were very happy about that coincidence. So I guess it was like half a choice, but also half a, you know, very something we stumbled upon.
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Nick Viall
What are your opinions on Valentine's Day? Is that like a holiday you generally love, or have you had Valentine's Day where you're like, it's just like a Hallmark holiday? Or like, you. You kind of a romantic or more of a cynic?
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Alessia Cara
I mean, it depends where I'm at in my relationships now. I'm like, I love it. I mean, it depends. I've always been a romantic, though. Like, even. Even on times where I've been single on Valentine's Day. Like, I just try to surround myself with people I love. Like, go, you know, hang out with my parents and third wheel them. Or like, you know, my. My friends and I, we do like a Galentine's day, which is always really nice. So I always feel like I have support and love around me on that day. But there have been times, trust me, where I have been miserable as well.
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Nick Viall
What's your love language?
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Alessia Cara
Oh, I have a few. I think it's like, tied. I'm a physical touch, and I believe it's words of affirmation. Or at my. They're tied for one, and then my second one is quality time.
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Nick Viall
Quality time.
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Alessia Cara
But I would say just opinion based, not by the test. I would say it's probably physical touch. Like, I love a handhold, a hug, a head on shoulder. Like, that speaks more than words for me.
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Nick Viall
What's your perfect Valentine's Day gift?
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Alessia Cara
Perfect Valentine's Day gift to give or receive.
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Natalie Viall
He's taking notes.
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Alessia Cara
Ooh, yeah, I'm taking notes.
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Natalie Viall
Taking notes.
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Alessia Cara
I love a card. Honestly, I love a card. Write me a nice long card.
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Natalie Viall
Tell me love letters don't come around very Often I love.
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Alessia Cara
I need you to tell me a million times how you feel about me again and again, what you felt when you first saw me.
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Natalie Viall
Oh, my God, yes.
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Nick Viall
One time. 100 reasons why I love you. Was that for Valentine's Day or your birthday or what?
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Natalie Viall
I think it was my birthday. He did write out 100 reasons why I love you.
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Alessia Cara
That's nice. That's so sweet.
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Natalie Viall
There was a few, like. There was a few, like, your eyes and your hair. Feeling some numbers.
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Nick Viall
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Let's get specific.
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He had to figure it out for you.
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Nick Viall
She's. All of them.
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Natalie Viall
Yeah, all of them for sure. But I think. I think number one is physical touch, too.
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Physical touch. She loves a. She loves a gift.
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Loves to give gifts as much as she loves to receive them. Like, gifts really is a love language for her where she gets excited or, like, that's on the bottom for me. Like, I don't do, like, gifts from even receiving them. I'm like, yay. And then, you know, giving them, like, I. If I have an idea, it's great. I can really get into it. But, like, it's not something Natalie. She'll be, you know, it'll be three months out from whatever moment. And, you know, Natalie loves a surprise. You know, she's like, do you want to know what I got you? I've learned that. I've learned that means I'm supposed to start guessing. She's. You should guess. You know, like, things like that where, like, I'll be like, oh, shit, Valentine's Day is two days away. I need to order flowers or something like that. So it doesn't come naturally to me. I'm definitely like, an acts of service. Like, that's how I love to show love. And then quality time, for sure. Words of affirmation I'd probably. Are my top three.
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Natalie Viall
It's really hard to be, like, definitely not acts of service. You know, to have someone be like, one of these love languages is, like, absolutely not my way. You know, it's like, they're all lovely, and I would love to feel all of them all the time.
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Alessia Cara
It's so true. Yeah. I wouldn't mind any of them, actually.
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Nick Viall
It's not like any of them are like, ooh, that gives me the ick. It's just more like, I think some come naturally for us than others.
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Alessia Cara
Right? Yeah. Yeah. True. Very true.
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Nick Viall
You mentioned on this album that there's a little bit of storytelling in your own personal love life, Deadman being one of them. And it almost.
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Nick Viall
Before we came in. It almost feels like the album is in some kind of order where it almost kind of starts out a little, like, sad and a little heavy and you're talking about difficult challenges in relationships. Is there accuracy to that? And then it kind of progresses to a more like, independent, like, screw it, I'm out there having fun and then a little bit and then back to like connecting with love.
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Alessia Cara
Totally, 100% nailed it. Yeah, I really tried to make it as chronological as possible so that if you're, you know, listening to it in full, if you're like an albums person like me, I love to just like listen to whole albums, you know, that it tells a story and it really is like the story of the last, you know, two and a half, three years of my life where I just kind of go through that arc. I started writing this album just in a not great place mentally. Like I said, I had fallen kind of out of love with music. I didn't really know what I wanted to do with myself. Felt a little lost in my personal life. And I just went through the process of learning to harness that feeling of pain and all the, you know, not so great stuff about life and use it to teach me things and reshape it until it looks like something that I can at least tolerate but at best, you know, make me better and turn into something beautiful.
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Nick Viall
So that's kind of what happened, Deadman for me. I know again, I would be curious, like, what your inspiration. But before I was lucky enough to meet Natalie and fall in love, like, even my time shitting on reality TV is the fashion. But even before that, like in my 20s, I, you know, I had a great role models as parents in terms of Love in a way, like both wonderful, but in a bad way sometimes. And what I mean by that is, like, my parents always taught me, like, love is really special, right. And you have to fight for it. And I think as a young man, that fight for it part, I really didn't know how to actually, like, didn't really know what that meant. Right. So when I was in relationships younger, I wasn't really willing to look at is this the right relationship or is this the healthy relationship? And so, you know, I knew, I was taught love is special. You have to fight for it. You have ups and downs. So when I was in relationships early in life, I wouldn't be open to the possibility that while this may be as good, it's not as great as it could be. And as much as we might love each other, like, maybe we're not compatible enough. And it almost felt like Deadman was. It felt like I was hearing you talk about having a hard time letting go to something or not feeling appreciated. And I feel like there's a lot of people out there in relationships where they feel like they're doing 100% of their half and like 40% of their partner's half, where they, you know, and I. Is there anything about that song that kind of connects with that mindset where you're just. You feel like you're. You almost wake up one day and realize, why am I doing all of this and not getting enough in return and. But having a hard time letting go of and maybe saying goodbye to something that you maybe at one point said, this is going to be my forever, you know, and I need to fight for this, I need to invest in this, and I really need to protect this relationship and figuring out, should I do that or maybe there's something else out there for me.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah. Yeah. That's spot on, exactly how I've felt. And yeah, I think it's interesting because, you know, we. The things we're taught about love are strange because I think we're taught that it's noble to self sacrifice and self abandon in love. Like, you know, you think that's like the most noble thing you can do and the most romantic thing you can do, you know, is make yourself smaller for somebody else. And while I think, you know, there is a level of compromise that has to happen and like you said, you know, a level of fighting for something or, you know, having difficulties and getting through them, I do think there's a difference between completely forgetting about yourself or completely holding onto an idea of a person or the potential of a person. Like, I just feel like in my life, I have made myself smaller for people. And I thought that that was, like, the right thing to do. I thought that's what unconditional love was supposed to be. And then you start to realize maybe that the other person isn't really doing the same and you're giving a lot more. And it's hard to come to terms with that fact that maybe you're just not the right person. You know, maybe we've tried all we can try, and maybe I don't like this feeling, and maybe this isn't how love is supposed to feel, you know? And I've realized through honestly just growing up and meeting new people that I don't know, that's just not the love that I want. And I don't think that that's the love that we deserve as people. I think you should, of course, fight for things, and there's gonna be problems, and you're gonna have to work through them. But there should never be that feeling of, like, I have completely forgotten about myself here, or I don't feel seen by you. I don't. You know, I don't feel like I know you or I even know myself anymore. So, yeah, that's kind of just been the compass now. When I look at people in my life in different relationships, certainly romantic partnerships, I want to feel like I'm like, you're expanding me. Like, I'm seeing new parts of myself I didn't know were there. Rather than hiding parts of myself or like, having to make myself small so that you can shine, I want you to bring things out of me. And I think that's what real love is supposed to do. It's supposed to show you yourself. Maybe things that aren't so great, but. But they teach you things and they help you grow, you know? And I think that's a difference between, like, good difficulty in relationships versus, like, the wrong kind of difficulty.
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Nick Viall
And it's so tough right in real time to figure out what that is, because you don't want to go into relationship like a tit for tat, like, well, I'll do this for you and immediately expect something in return. You. You have to kind of go in doing things out of love, not expecting anything. But every once in a while, you have to learn to check in with yourself and with the relationship and go, do I feel loved? One of our shows, call it and ask for relationship advice, and one of my favorite questions is like, well, how do you feel loved in this relationship? Or like, what do you love about this relationship? How does your partner make you feel? And it's fascinating asking that question to people who are like on the fence about things to actually think about it. Because, you know, so many times, especially when we're young, we meet someone, we get excited, we fall in love, we should date. I love you. Let's be boyfriend and girlfriend. Let's be together. And then all of a sudden you're just like sometimes playing house or like you're so much. Your relationship was based off the excitement of how you meant. And then you don't really. It's almost as if people stop connecting and falling in love once they decide to be in a relationship.
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Alessia Cara
So true.
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Nick Viall
And then they have that honeymoon phase and next thing you know, it's like you wake up one day and you're bickering over stupid things and like, or you, you feel like you've been maybe giving a little bit more than you're receiving. And yeah, growing up and falling in love, it's that you really have. It's that trial and error. Like, I always think love is this really passionate, crazy, wonderful thing that's so intense. And we, we try to do it at an early age, you know, like even, even before we're technically adults, as if, like, what if we got into a, like a Ferrari without knowing how to drive it?
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Alessia Cara
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
You know, that's kind of like what getting into a relationship is when you're young and you just like kind of sometimes have to crash and burn.
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Alessia Cara
Exactly.
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Nick Viall
And like pick up the pieces and try again.
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Alessia Cara
Exactly.
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Nick Viall
You know, and it's, it's been, I mean, ups and downs for me.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah, for sure. And for me too. And for, I think, a lot of people, which is why, you know, it's so good to talk about this stuff because people don't really have a compass because again, like, what's taught, the biggest, like, romantic story in the world is Romeo and Juliet. Like, I'm going to literally self sacrifice for you, which is very romantic. And I guess that's different because they both did it for each other. So that's, I guess, sweet. But you know, like, I just feel like we're just taught this thing like you said of like, you have to fight for it. And I do agree. But I do think there's this side of it that you have to feel loved. And also there's just a side of it too where it's like, ask yourself, do you even, do you even like this person? Like, if you didn't have any Feelings for them at all, like, romantically, if you just saw them, would you want to hang out with them? If you were in a room with your friends and you had no feelings for them, would you think, like, I hope so. And so, like, could be here, or, like, I wish this person was here. And a lot of the times when I ask my friends that, they'll be like, not really. You know, so it's like, then why do you want to spend your life with that person? What is it about them that you like? Not even, like, how do they make you feel? Which is an important question. But, like, do you even like them as a person in general? You know? And oftentimes you'll find, like, you're just like, what do I like about this person other than what they give me sometimes? Like, that little bit of serotonin that they give me once in a while when they give me attention, like, what else do I like about them?
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Natalie Viall
For me, it was like my. You know, I was taught that, like, love is hard. And, like, so I went through all these relationships where it was bad, it was ugly, there was, you know, violence and, you know, all of this stuff. And it was like, but this is, like, it's hard because it's love. And you're supposed. Like, this is what it is. Okay, I've got it. Now that, like, I'm with Nick, I realize that no, love is, like, the easiest fucking thing. It should be the easiest thing in the world. Like, it should be so easy to just be in love and love your person.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
Now we talk about that a lot, too, where it's just, you know, I'm a little older than Natalie, and I was just like. And I've had a handful of relationships that didn't work out, and I was just like, you know, you're. You're my first partner I have. Or. I don't feel like we compete in a way where. I told that to my therapist once, and she's like, yeah, I used to fight with my ex husband over, like, who had a worst day.
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Alessia Cara
Oh, my.
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Nick Viall
Like, you can fight over. You know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes you have those people where it's like, a bad day. It's like, well, I had an even worse day.
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Alessia Cara
Okay.
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Nick Viall
Like, you know, and it's just like. But I took that for granted. And back to, like, thinking, love's hard or you have to have hard work, where it's just like, I had past partners who were like, we had nothing in common.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
Like, everything was a debate whether it Was what we wanted to eat, what we wanted to watch, you know, what we wanted to do. And it's like, yes, when people say, like, all you need is love. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, you.
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Natalie Viall
You need a lot more.
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Nick Viall
It's so much easier.
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Nick Viall
Easier if you wake up and go.
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Nick Viall
And the other person's like, yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun, you know, because there's so many differences between Nally and I, but, like, I've never had a partner where, like, every day isn't a struggle figuring out the daily, routinely things. And that is something that I learned I took away for granted in relationships because I wanted to romanticize. And like I said, I had that.
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Nick Viall
These wonderful parents who are in love as role models and, like, kind of in different versions, we're all like, if we're not suffering through it, like, maybe it's my, like, Catholic upbringing and, like, you know, that shame of, like, suffering is good, but, like, you, you know, and figuring out, like, well, do I really need to feel this way to be in love? You know, and, like, it really can be a lot easier if you're willing to wait for that right person and who kind of wakes up and feels like every day they're willing to choose and fight for this relationship. Fight in a. Like, I gotta fight to save it, but, like, I gotta protect it. Like, I wanna wake up and connect with my partner in a lot of ways.
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Alessia Cara
Totally. That's so true. Yeah, 100%. I totally, totally agree with that.
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Natalie Viall
How is your heart?
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Alessia Cara
My heart is good. My heart is really good. I feel very happy. I feel very, very loved in many areas of my life. I feel like I just have a lot of great people around me. And, yeah, just I feel very well supported, well protected, and I feel good.
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Natalie Viall
Yeah.
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Alessia Cara
Yeah.
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Natalie Viall
Are we in love?
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Alessia Cara
Yes, I am.
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Natalie Viall
Have we. Is this something that you are keeping private to kind of keep those boundaries like you were talking about earlier, or is this something you're like, no, I want to share this part of my life with my fans.
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Alessia Cara
I've definitely kept it super private. I mean, one for myself, but also because, you know, everyone in my life, like, I chose to do this. So, like, this is, like, a thing that I'm willing to do every day, but the people in my life have not chosen that. And I don't ever want to throw someone into something that they're not comfortable with. And I'm honestly not comfortable with it either. But it's in the music, definitely. I never stop myself from talking about it in music. And my music's very autobiographical, so you're bound to get thing songs that are about, you know, things that are going on in my life. So yeah, but I'm happy. I'm happy.
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Natalie Viall
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Nick Viall
You know we get to interview a lot of different types of really interesting people. Artists like yourself, actors, even reality TV stars. And I always get fascinated by the fan bases and the relationships that the people we get to interview Have. And each fan base, like, you know, fan, I always remind myself, is, like, short for fanatic. And we, like, we love our. Even, you know, people who listen to our show. I'm so grateful for our fans and the people who listen, but sometimes it can feel overwhelming, you know, sometimes our fans, you know, want a lot from us, want our vulnerability, want us to share more than maybe we're comfortable with. There's toxicity in fan bases and things like that. How do you balance that relationship with your fan bases? Not only just your fan bases, but just in the music in general, Because I have found that the music industry, they ride for their people, you know, and sometimes that will mean knocking someone else, knocking someone else down. And how do you manage that? You know, because you've. You know, you've had to do experience stuff in the past with some really cool moments in your career being almost overshadowed by fans, maybe with the best of intentions, kind of not being as nice as they could be.
- [48:21]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. Yeah, that's really challenging. And it was definitely way more challenging back then, just because, you know, when you're young, you're still forming your own opinion of yourself. And like, we were talking about, you already have that imposter syndrome. You're already, you know, going there, going up there, there, or going into every day already having those thoughts of, am I good enough? Can I do this? And then when you have, like, mass amounts of people telling you you're not, it's very hard to compartmentalize that and tell yourself, especially when you're still developing your own brain, that that's not valid or true. You know, you. You find the truth in that somehow. And it. Yeah, it was really challenging. And I think that's the one. I don't really have regrets, but that is the one regret that I have, especially with, like, the whole, like, Grammy moment moment. That's the one regret that I have is, like, letting that ruin that for me. Because it did.
- [49:11]
Natalie Viall
I was gonna ask you.
- [49:11]
Alessia Cara
It did ruin it for me. Yeah, it was like. It was just a weird time. And I. I just. I felt the weight of that so hard. And I felt guilty. Like, I felt guilt for winning something that I had no control over. I felt bad. I felt guilty.
- [49:25]
Nick Viall
And, like, you almost started believing.
- [49:27]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, I believe some of the things.
- [49:28]
Nick Viall
That they were saying and almost like. Like, it felt wrong to appreciate the. From a career standpoint, like, it must have been. I mean, I fantasized about winning awards. I. Like, I. You know. Yeah, I wouldn't even be in a position to win Because I don't have the ability to win them, you know.
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Alessia Cara
No, you know, it will be a podcast award or something.
- [49:46]
Sponsor
Sure.
- [49:46]
Natalie Viall
But like, I will win an Oscar.
- [49:49]
Alessia Cara
You never know.
- [49:50]
Nick Viall
Here you are winning a Grammy. And to not be able to really soak in that moment is sad.
- [49:56]
Alessia Cara
I know. It really sucked. It really. Yeah. And I think it's also there was an element of like, almost like I knew it too, because I was like on the COVID of this, like, magazine the year before where it was like, you know, they did this thing where it was like potential winners or like breakthrough artists or whatever the year before. And so I asked to not be submitted the next year. Cause I was like, people are gonna say that I'm not new because I was like on the magazine cover last year and I was like, I don't want that. And there were so many other talented people. I remember being like, I don't wanna be submitted. I don't even want this. Cause I feel like people are gonna be mad. And then I got submitted anyway and then I won. And then so there was that element of like, I knew it and I just let it get to me. And I just wish that I didn't. I wish I just went up there and enjoyed myself and just didn't say anything. Cause I, like, posted something about it. I felt like I needed to apologize even though I didn't do anything wrong, you know. So that's. Yeah, that's the one regret that I have is not not taking in that moment because you don't want to drowning out the noise things again. Right. Like, that's just such a once in a lifetime thing for so many people. I didn't think I'd get it once, let alone that ever happening again. So I don't know if there will ever be a duo. And so I just wish that I just would have soaked in it.
- [51:02]
Nick Viall
Are you. Are you able to appreciate it more now or has it always kind of been? Or is that memory of that kind of time?
- [51:11]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, I mean, the. The honor itself is still incredible. And I try really hard to focus on that. But I think the memories of that time when I look back, rather than being exciting, are like, kind of sad and they're a little tainted. But I try to just like focus on. On, you know, the moment before all of that and like, how good it felt when they said my name for that.
- [51:30]
Nick Viall
Because the Internet, man, when it. When the Internet comes for you, it feels so overwhelming.
- [51:35]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. And they never let you forget it. You'd think that they would Let it go. I still get, like, tweets about it today of, like, we'll never forget. Like, you took this award from this person, and it's like, I had no control over it. Yeah.
- [51:47]
Natalie Viall
I don't know what I did.
- [51:48]
Alessia Cara
And it's tricky with that one too. And I find that there's so much discourse on Best New Artist, because the people will say, well, that person's not new. But it's not about being a brand new artist. It's not like this person decided to be an artist yesterday and then they won the award. I think I always thought they should call it, like, Best breakthrough artist, you know, rather than best new Artist. That would. That would take away a lot of that, like, discourse. Yeah. Because everybody who's been nominated has been an artist for years.
- [52:14]
Nick Viall
You know, Natalie is, well, more versed in music in general. Like, it's. I'm not sure. Well, not even that. Like, she can listen to a song once or twice and know all the words to a song. Like, she really connects with the lyrics. Like, it's really impressive. And I'm definitely more like, you know, top 40s, where it's just like, once it goes, you know, because I think there are different types of music fans. Right. Of course, you know, like, to your point where it's just like, you'll have fans that, like, they're. They're there from the ground up. Like, they are waiting for any type of preview, any type of early release or drop. And then there's fans like me, like, when it becomes more mainstream and I start listening to it where. And I think the music business is more, you know, tailored to that. So, like, when you're winning that best new Artist, there's probably a hand. A lot of fans who are, like, who have been enjoying the music for a while, have been listening or have been paying attention, and for. And to them, it doesn't feel new.
- [53:08]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. You know, exactly.
- [53:09]
Nick Viall
But to the. The majority, the masses, it's. Yeah, it's. It's best new art. You know, it's like, yeah, she's new. I've just started hearing this. I really started just enjoying her music. And so it is kind of fascinating that way.
- [53:21]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. So it is strange. And it's like, listen, nobody's. Nobody who decided to be an artist the day before or like a couple weeks before is gonna be at the Grammys. There's so much work that goes into it. You have to be an artist for years. And it's just like, what. What is classified as, like, a real Artist is it when you know you make it to top 40, is it? So that's why I always thought they should just change it to like best breakthrough because it's like, yeah, you've been an artist for a while and you've had a great. You had a big year. This was your year where you broke through and you know, the general public now knows who you are and celebrates you. So, yeah, it's just interesting. It's just so weird, all the politics and dynamics of it. But I do appreciate it, I think more now, now that I'm more removed.
- [53:57]
Nick Viall
And was that part of maybe the little hiatus that made you fall out of love with the industry?
- [54:02]
Alessia Cara
Probably contributed to it, yeah. I wouldn't say it's like in any way directly the reason, because I still continued on a couple years after that to tour and I was very happy with things after that. But, um, it probably contributed. Yeah. Cause it's just like. It just doesn't make you feel good. A lot of this industry doesn't make you feel good. I don't think it's meant to like. I think they. It's like designed to not make you feel good about yourself or something. It's very strange so that you kind of, I guess keep going or keep trying to be better. So, yeah, it's very challenging.
- [54:32]
Natalie Viall
I feel like that scenario has unfortunately happened several times to a lot of artists for sure. Is that something that you've been able to connect with anyone about or have any sort of like relatability with anyone?
- [54:43]
Alessia Cara
I mean, probably not as much as I would like to. I don't really. I talk to like a few artists, I have a few friends who are also artists and I've spoken with them a little bit about it. But I never really had any like mentors going into this or any people that I could really, really bond with. And I think that was just a result of me not really going to many places. I don't live in the state, so it's just hard to connect with people. So I think that was an element to it too, where I didn't really have many people to speak and a few artists did reach out to me that, that night and were very kind. But you know, I've really. I've rarely had like in depth conversations with other. With peers and I would like to. I just like. I think I'm just removed from it a little bit and so it's hard to like connect.
- [55:23]
Nick Viall
You know, we saw online last night you performed. Was it a couple nights ago or was It. Last night it was.
- [55:31]
Alessia Cara
Oh, my God. When was it? A couple nights.
- [55:32]
Natalie Viall
Wednesday night, right?
- [55:33]
Alessia Cara
Yeah.
- [55:33]
Nick Viall
And was that like your first live performance in a while?
- [55:37]
Alessia Cara
Yes. First live performance in two years in.
- [55:40]
Nick Viall
Of recording in the studio versus, like, recording live in front of a crowd. Do you have a preference?
- [55:45]
Alessia Cara
I mean, both are totally different. And I love both for different reasons. I love the energy of a live crowd. I love the fact that you can redo a take in the studio rather than, you know, when you're doing it live. You can't redo anything. A note's gonna come out how it's gonna come out. You might forget a lyric. But I think the adrenaline of that is really fun. And I enjoy the, like, I don't know the feeling that that gives me, but I think they're both totally different. Like, there's like a side to me that I just love being a writer. I love being like, tucked away and, you know, cracking the code of a song is like the most gratifying feeling. But then it's just as gratifying to like, see the results of that time put in and hear people like, singing the words back. It's very. It's so cool.
- [56:23]
Nick Viall
So both, I guess, and when.
- [56:24]
Sponsor
And you'll be touring coming up?
- [56:26]
Alessia Cara
Yes. Yeah, I just announced it yesterday. I'm going on a world tour. My first world tour on my own, which will be so fun. I'm going to, like, Australia, Asia, North America, Europe, So, so many places I've never been.
- [56:39]
Nick Viall
And more excitement than nerves surrounding that, I think.
- [56:41]
Alessia Cara
So. I think more excitement, yeah. I mean, I'll probably be nervous the first few shows, but then once I get like the set list down and we kind of get it in our bodies, I think we'll be, you know, ready.
- [56:50]
Nick Viall
Do you have any, like, pre show rituals that you used to do or.
- [56:54]
Alessia Cara
I do. I actually have the same one. And it's literally we just get in a circle, we say like, words of wisdom and then we say pre show ritual. Cause we didn't have a ritual. So we just first. My first night ever performed, performing, I was like, I don't have a ritual. And they were calling us on stage and I was like, okay, pre show ritual. And that show went great. And so I'm just a very superstitious person. So now for the last 10 years, that's been my pre show ritual. I just say Pre show ritual 1.
- [57:16]
Natalie Viall
800 with logic was a crazy important part of culture. I feel like that was. I mean, for someone who has experienced life in that realm, you know, I feel like that was huge for me. How important was that to you? And, like, how did that even that collaboration become about?
- [57:37]
Alessia Cara
Well, it came about, and I think 2018 or 2017, logic and I were on the same label, Def Jam. And he. He just reached out to me and said, hey, I have this song that I think will be super important. Like, I love your message. I had, you know, released Scars Too Beautiful, which was another kind of socially conscious sort of song. And so he thought I'd be good for it, and I loved it. I thought it was, like, really touching and important. And so I wrote my verse and sent it to him, and it kind of took off in a really beautiful, special way. And that song is something that I always hold so dear to me just because of what it's done for people. And I still, you know, get people talking about it today. And it means a lot to have just been a small part of that song because I think it's super necessary to have those discussions because it's such a real thing, and it's a huge thing. You know, it's very present in the world, and I just don't know if it always gets talked about because of its subject matter. I understand it's very dark, but I think these conversations are necessary.
- [58:33]
Natalie Viall
Yeah.
- [58:34]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. To just let people know they're not alone, even if there's no answer to it. Just that sense of comfort, you know, it's like that we're in the same boat. Feeling that that in itself is pacifying enough to get someone through something. You don't even need to give them, like, an answer. It's just like, I'm here with you. I've been there before, you know?
- [58:49]
Natalie Viall
Cause I feel like that feeling of, you know, wanting to take your own life comes from a sense of aloneness.
- [58:57]
Alessia Cara
It comes from a sense of.
- [58:57]
Natalie Viall
Sense of, like, I don't belong here. I'm the only one who's feeling this. So, yeah, to put out this song and have these two huge celebrities, these two huge artists be like, we get you. We see you. Like, here is the help that you can go to if you need this was, like. Was. Was crazy important.
- [59:13]
Alessia Cara
Oh.
- [59:14]
Natalie Viall
So I give you. I give you big props for that. That was huge. And I remember the. The performance at the MTV Awards, too.
- [59:19]
Alessia Cara
Yes.
- [59:19]
Natalie Viall
That was. That was crazy.
- [59:21]
Alessia Cara
With Khalid, too. That was really fun. That was. Yeah.
- [59:24]
Nick Viall
Is that one of your favorite collabs? I know you've. You've written with John Mayer.
- [59:28]
Alessia Cara
Yes, well, he. He played a solo on one of my Songs. Yeah. Which is great. On Obvious, actually. I heard you singing. Yeah. So, yeah, that's definitely one of my favorites. Just because of, you know, what it's meant to people, you know? Yeah. It's meant a lot to me to see that. And just knowing that it meant a lot to other people was, like, super.
- [59:47]
Nick Viall
Do you. Have you fantasized about any other collab that you. You would want to do, or you just kind of leave it open to the.
- [59:54]
Alessia Cara
To the universe.
- [59:55]
Nick Viall
To the universe.
- [59:56]
Alessia Cara
I mean, there's so many. John Mayer, honestly, was on my bucket list for so long, so getting to do this song with him was, like, such a dream. And I was in the studio with him too, which I don't get to do very often. I don't. You know, a lot of the times in this modern world, you kind of, like, will send a verse back or you kind of work remotely. But getting to watch him in the studio, like, kind of figure out the puzzle pieces of that solo was so cool. And he's incredible. So that was a dream. But there's so many others. I mean, I love, Like, Stevie Nicks would be like, this is like shooting for the stars. Like Stevie Nicks, Stevie Wonder, all the Stevies. I love both. Stevie's.
- [60:28]
Nick Viall
Stevie Nicks could be. I can see you.
- [60:30]
Sponsor
Yeah.
- [60:30]
Nick Viall
The voices would be fun.
- [60:32]
Alessia Cara
I love her. Yeah. She's an idol of mine. That would be so cool.
- [60:35]
Nick Viall
And when you were working with John, do you guys talk about, you know. Cause you wrote this album. He obviously does a lot of writing for his stuff. Do you guys not only talk about just the music in general, but the writing process?
- [60:47]
Alessia Cara
For sure. Yeah. Yeah. He's been really, really cool to me. And I've. I've. I've gathered so many little, like, gems through our conversations about songwriting and about music that I've taken with me. You know, he was like the first and only person who said, you know, like, just, like, tell the story, say the thing. Don't try to impress yourself as a writer. Which is so interesting. Cause I do feel like when you're a writer, you try to say the thing in the most interesting way. And like, how can I be different? And you tend to over complicate things. And him just saying, just say the thing, say. Or. I don't know if that's exactly how he said it. I'm probably butchering his beautiful words. But yeah, he was like, just don't try to impress yourself. You know, just say it as it is. And oftentimes the simplest thing will be the thing that hits the most. And I always take that with me, and it's so true. Like, that's the stuff. The lyric that you think is, like, a throwaway or like, oh, maybe that's too simple. Is always the one that, like, gets to people in the core, you know? Cause you're talking. You're speaking universally. You're not just, like, trying to do a magic trick, you know, with your words.
- [61:45]
Nick Viall
You know, you mentioned Obvious as one of your favorites on the album. Like, what are some of your other, like, ones that you've gone back to and it really connects with you, or. I mean, you must love them all, but for sure. Do you have ones that are.
- [61:58]
Alessia Cara
That are at the top?
- [61:59]
Nick Viall
At the top.
- [62:00]
Alessia Cara
I think it changes. I do love this song called Fire. That's one of my favorites. It's like one of those songs that just, like, fell out of all of us. It was like we put a mic in the middle of the room. It was, you know, John Levine, Jake, Tory, and I on a few different instruments. I had a mic, and we just, like, looped the same few chords over and over again until, like, the song just came out. There's, like, an hour recording somewhere of this time. But, yeah, it was one of those songs that just came out, and it was, like, strictly intuitive, nothing analytical about it. And I think that's why it just feels really special. So every time I listen to it, it just. I don't know, it just feels like it comes from a different place inside me. I don't know how to explain it, but, yeah, I love that song.
- [62:40]
Nick Viall
Were you a guest host on RuPaul's Drag Race?
- [62:43]
Alessia Cara
Yes. In Canada. Yeah, Canada. So I didn't get to meet RuPaul, which was so sad, but I got to meet some incredible, incredible drag queens.
- [62:50]
Nick Viall
Are you a fan of the show? Like, we. Our audience loves pop culture, reality tv, just.
- [62:56]
Alessia Cara
I love reality tv.
- [62:57]
Nick Viall
Oh, you do?
- [62:57]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, I do. I watch.
- [62:59]
Nick Viall
Can we ask someone? What are some of your favorites?
- [63:01]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, I love Love is Blind. I'm a Bachelor. Well, I haven't watched the Bachelor or Bachelorette in. In quite a long time, but around your era, I watched it. Love. Loved it.
- [63:10]
Nick Viall
I think the new season of Love.
- [63:12]
Natalie Viall
Is Blind just came out.
- [63:13]
Alessia Cara
I know. I'm so excited. It's the most insane show ever. I love it, though. I'm trying to get into Housewives. I haven't. I've never seen Housewives before, so I am, like, fully blank.
- [63:23]
Natalie Viall
Salt Lake City.
- [63:24]
Alessia Cara
Salt Lake City. That's what everybody says.
- [63:25]
Nick Viall
Salt Lake City. If you're gonna pick. If you are gonna just start with one.
- [63:29]
Alessia Cara
Okay. Okay. Salt La City.
- [63:30]
Natalie Viall
Start with Rihanna's favorite.
- [63:31]
Alessia Cara
Is that hers?
- [63:32]
Natalie Viall
Her favorite is Salt Lake City.
- [63:33]
Alessia Cara
Okay, then I must start with her favorite. Yeah, you have to. What else do I. I watch just, like, a ton of reality tv. I'm trying to think of a. Other ones. I'm blanking on every.
- [63:41]
Nick Viall
Do you think, like, the idea, like, love is blind, the idea of falling in love with someone behind a screen.
- [63:48]
Alessia Cara
I don't know about that. I mean, hey, maybe I feel like you can definitely connect with someone, you know, spiritually, emotionally. But let's be real. I think attraction has to have, like, play a role. Right? Right. I don't know, even just chemistry. Like, you can't. Through a wall. You can't feel that, like, chemistry. You can't. I don't know, someone smile. The way someone looks at you. Like, those little nuances are important.
- [64:11]
Nick Viall
I think the most awkward moment of that show is when they propose and they're like, it's usually the woman standing there behind, like, facing a screen. The guys on an age.
- [64:21]
Alessia Cara
It's ridiculous, but I love it.
- [64:23]
Nick Viall
It feels so uncomfortable.
- [64:24]
Alessia Cara
I know. I almost can't watch. But I'm obsessed. I eat it up every time. I love it.
- [64:29]
Natalie Viall
I feel like it's because the stakes are so high. It's like they're getting married. Like, I know the only other thing would be like, okay, baby.
- [64:37]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. Like, it's the married thing. The getting engaged before you see each other is crazy. I totally get, like, that would be cool to be like, hey, can you be. You want to be my girlfriend? Cool. Like, that would be sick. Because then there's.
- [64:47]
Natalie Viall
Let's go on a date.
- [64:48]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. It's like the. I'm in love with you. You're the love of my life. Marry me without seeing them. And it's, like, only been two weeks or something, right?
- [64:53]
Nick Viall
I don't think it's even that long. We got lucky enough to. We went and visited the set where they film the pods, and we, like. Our daughter was, like, two or three months at the time. And we did the. We, like, did the whole, like, reveal walkout. We kind of pretended.
- [65:09]
Natalie Viall
That's a long walk. So it's like you have some time to be like, oh, I don't know.
- [65:14]
Alessia Cara
If that's my first.
- [65:15]
Nick Viall
I get why. Like, remember was it Chelsea when she ran.
- [65:19]
Natalie Viall
Oh, Chelsea, Chelsea.
- [65:21]
Nick Viall
I get it.
- [65:22]
Alessia Cara
I would so run 100%. I would.
- [65:24]
Nick Viall
Because you don't realize how far it's going to go.
- [65:27]
Alessia Cara
I totally. Yeah. And I just feel like, can you even really get super, super real if there's cameras? Well, I guess you can attest to it if, if like, are you able to even really let go when there's like a crew? Because I imagine there's a crew of people there.
- [65:39]
Nick Viall
No, there is. Having not done Love is Blind. But you are, you're, you're surprised just how quickly you kind of forget about cameras and things, really?
- [65:49]
Alessia Cara
I guess. Yeah, I kind of forget.
- [65:50]
Nick Viall
It's such an intense environment, you know, and like, you really, if you are one of those people who, who like, connects with someone, they do a good job of creating these environments that like, make you think you have nothing else going on but this connection and you really have to protect it. And you just, you kind of, you're really immersed into like an experiment. It's really fascinating.
- [66:12]
Alessia Cara
That's very strange. Wow. Interesting.
- [66:14]
Nick Viall
In another life because I know obviously you have your career, you have a relationship you're very happy about, but like, in another life, if, if there's a reality TV show concept that you think it would be fun to do if you were just like a contestant, what would that be?
- [66:30]
Alessia Cara
Oh, my God. Certainly nothing with. I would never do a dating show ever in a million years. I would love. I mean, I've always loved Survivor, but I don't think I would make it. But I low key would love to do Survivor just like be on an island, do those games. I just don't feel like I have it in me to be like, deceitful.
- [66:45]
Natalie Viall
Yeah.
- [66:45]
Alessia Cara
I feel like I would just spill the beans or I wouldn't be. I don't have that in me.
- [66:49]
Natalie Viall
I found a shield. Sorry.
- [66:51]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, I don't know if I could do it, but I would love to do, like survive.
- [66:53]
Nick Viall
Are you watching Trail Traitors at all?
- [66:54]
Alessia Cara
I. Oh, I saw one. I saw the first episode recently.
- [66:58]
Nick Viall
There's a lot of that.
- [66:59]
Alessia Cara
It's like, which I kind of love.
- [67:00]
Nick Viall
It's really good. Like, everyone knows it's a game, but there is a lot of like, very, like a la Survivor where you like, you have to be manipulative.
- [67:08]
Alessia Cara
I don't know.
- [67:09]
Nick Viall
And it's like this weird thing where you're like, I know it's only a game, but you're really good at that. And like, I think you, you can tell some characters are more nervous about playing the game than others.
- [67:18]
Alessia Cara
Yeah. Like you have it. Yeah. Because then I feel like I'd psych myself out. Like, why are you so good at this. And then, you know, I don't know. I don't know if I, if I could do it, but that would be kind of fun to, to attempt. But I feel like I get fooled by everyone and I'd be like easily convinced. I feel. Or I'd be the opposite where I think everybody's lying to me. So it'd be tough. But I did see the first episode of season one. I started fresh and it was really cool.
- [67:39]
Nick Viall
That's really good Survivor. I don't think I'm too picky of an eater.
- [67:43]
Alessia Cara
Oh, yeah. True, true, true. You're not into like the, you wouldn't like catch a fish in the ocean.
- [67:47]
Natalie Viall
And, and eat it up, get over your little campfire.
- [67:50]
Nick Viall
I think eating is literally a love language of mine.
- [67:53]
Alessia Cara
Ooh.
- [67:53]
Nick Viall
Like I'm, I can be, I am particular. But the things I enjoy eating, like I love tasting food, you know, and like I need to enjoy eating. Like I can't just eat for the sake of getting like calories.
- [68:06]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, I think that would enjoy it.
- [68:07]
Nick Viall
It like mentally affects me if I'm not enjoying food.
- [68:11]
Alessia Cara
I feel you. I actually, yeah, I never really thought about that, but I think I agree with you.
- [68:15]
Natalie Viall
Food is a love language.
- [68:16]
Alessia Cara
Yeah.
- [68:17]
Natalie Viall
It is. Going back really quickly to your debut album. Has it been the 10 year anniversary yet or not yet?
- [68:23]
Alessia Cara
Not quite yet. I think in a, In a couple months. April, I think March or April. April.
- [68:28]
Natalie Viall
That's soon.
- [68:29]
Alessia Cara
I know soon.
- [68:30]
Natalie Viall
Are you, do you have plans to celebrate that?
- [68:32]
Alessia Cara
I mean, I think I'm just gonna be on tour, so I'll probably just be celebrating with, with the new album and maybe playing a couple songs from that record which would be really cool. I haven't thought about it in detail yet. I just can't believe it's coming up and it's coming so fast. Like I.
- [68:46]
Natalie Viall
Crazy. Yeah, I feel like I, I mean obviously we all change throughout life. We all make mistakes, we grow, we learn. We have different seasons. I honestly don't even relate to the person I was before I became a mom. Oh, yeah. So like, is there parts of you that still see yourself in your 18 year old self releasing that album or are you kind of like, I have just grown so much from who that person was.
- [69:11]
Alessia Cara
It's a bit of both. It's interesting because I'll, you know, come across like an old interview or even just some of that old music. And so much of that DNA is still in me. I recognize who I'm looking at and who I'm hearing and there's still things that I've taken with me, just my general personality. The default mechanisms that I have are still the same. I think I'm just better at dealing with them. I have more tools to figure out how to navigate them. But there's also this other side to it where I'm just like, who is this person? Even down to the way that I would talk. I feel like I had this weird Toronto accent happening that I'm like, that I don't have anymore. And I'm like, who? Why did I talk? Like, I used to talk like that? Like, I guess I've just spent so much time all over that I've lost it. But it's just so interesting. It's like you feel like you're looking at somebody else. And some of those songs, too. Like, you know, of course, like, you cringe a little bit, because imagine, like, you know, those videos that a lot of us made of, like, ourselves singing. No, I can't picture that. But, like, that's your career, and it's out in the public forever.
- [70:08]
Natalie Viall
It's really bad. That's how I feel.
- [70:10]
Alessia Cara
Like, a lot of my trial, like, my putting up a video, you know, for the world is, like, on an album, and the way my voice sounded is, like, plastered there forever.
- [70:19]
Nick Viall
Nothing's as embarrassing as going on reality TV and taking risks and having that be on.
- [70:25]
Natalie Viall
I don't know. I think, like, the, like, filming yourself, like, dancing in front of your cousins and your mom to, like, get a sleepover that night, you know, it was like, mom, watch our routine.
- [70:35]
Alessia Cara
We made up.
- [70:36]
Natalie Viall
Yeah. And then, like, that being what the world is watching, you know, ever.
- [70:39]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, that's. It's very strange. You just, like. I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure.
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Alessia Cara
Because reality TV is like. Yeah. I guess it's like you're literally putting all of you out there. I guess with my first album, it's like, you know, a portion of things, and it's more tailored and there's more time and thought put in. But I imagine you were in, like, your 30s.
- [70:59]
Natalie Viall
Like, you don't have that.
- [71:00]
Nick Viall
I mean, like, even more embarrassing.
- [71:02]
Alessia Cara
It's also, like, relationships in real life.
- [71:05]
Nick Viall
You know, like, you know, Alessia gets to be like, are you. You know, I was 18. I'm like, I was 30.
- [71:10]
Natalie Viall
That's true. Yeah.
- [71:12]
Alessia Cara
I don't think it was embarrassing. I mean, I thought you were great.
- [71:14]
Nick Viall
So, like, a movie that, like, I made me connect with those reality TV moments is a movie called Swingers. Do you remember that swingers.
- [71:21]
Alessia Cara
Yes.
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- [71:21]
Alessia Cara
Yeah.
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Sponsor
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Nick Viall
That scene where he. He meets the girl at the bar. He gets home and he calls her and leaves her a voice note, and he's just like, going. He's heartbroken over his other girlfriend. And so then he calls her again and leaves another voicemail and kind of just spirals. And then she finally answers and she's like, don't ever call me again. Like, being on reality TV sometimes feels like I was in a scene like that, you know, or you, like, real. Yeah. Because I think when it comes to love or relationships, I mean, I think we kind of easily forget, but, like, they're, you know, if. If you've ever been heartbroken or if you've really gone through it, there's times where you remember where you're just like, I was, like, doing that or thinking that or, like, I was really not my best self. Like, you know, it is tough to watch your vulnerability back.
- [72:08]
Alessia Cara
For sure. Yeah. I can't imagine. Yeah. It's like I would not if there were cameras on me during some of my most, like, down bad times. Like, I wouldn't want to watch that back. I get it. It's like there's this moment captured where now you can look back with 20, 20 eyes and be like, I just so don't agree with that anymore. But it's like they're encapsulated forever. Yeah. It's strange.
- [72:29]
Nick Viall
I mean, music must, in its own way be.
- [72:31]
Alessia Cara
Feel that. Yeah.
- [72:32]
Nick Viall
Feel that vulnerability.
- [72:33]
Alessia Cara
Probably in like a microcosmic way. I like, I feel what you're. You're saying. Yeah. Because you're just some stuff you just don't identify with anymore. Like, you're writing songs about people, about how, like, I'm so in love with you, or, like, I need you and you're just like, no, that's not how I feel anymore. But that's like, moment lives there forever. But at least you can look back and think, like, you didn't manipulate anyone. You weren't a bad person. You just simply were being yourself. And we're being open and vulnerable and honest. And you can't. You can't be mad about that. You know, she's like, yeah, I can.
- [73:04]
Nick Viall
Yeah. I just.
- [73:05]
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- [73:06]
Nick Viall
I'm glad I have a wife has. That has no interest in watching it.
- [73:09]
Alessia Cara
Oh, you've never seen it?
- [73:10]
Natalie Viall
Never seen it.
- [73:11]
Alessia Cara
Why would you want to?
- [73:12]
Natalie Viall
Right. I know. I'm, like, watching my husband, like, fall in love and kiss and, like, go on romantic dates with other Women. I think I'm okay.
- [73:18]
Alessia Cara
I think I'm okay. I'd rather skip it.
- [73:20]
Natalie Viall
I'll watch the Cliff Notes. I've seen the crazy like things that have happened on the Seasons, but I know we have to wrap up soon. I do have a question about music videos. Is that something that you are just as passionate about or is that something. Because I feel like music videos have kind of. Obviously when MTV was, they were all, all the rage. It was everything. Now they've kind of fallen off, but I feel like they're kind of coming back in a way where artists are really putting their heart and soul into their music videos just as much as they did the songs and the album itself. Do you feel that same way or are you kind of like eh, could do without?
- [73:53]
Alessia Cara
No, I really. I love. I love visuals. I feel like they've always been such an important and integral part of my music. Just cause I grew up loving, you know, MTV and you know, the Canadian version. Much music. Hey, shout out Much music. You know, like I just grew up loving music videos and loving visuals and you know, sifting through album booklets and looking at all the photos. It was something I loved. And I know that there are still people out there who love that and like love to indulge in that. So I like to give that to them. And just even for myself, I love building worlds around sounds. Even if, you know, music videos now are slowly becoming a bit more obsolete like you said, I do think they are coming back now. With so much social media, people are always looking for a visual. Even though maybe those visuals are a lot more quick, not maybe three minutes long. And maybe now they're more visualizers as they call them now. But I do love, I just love visuals.
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Nick Viall
I think they're important just to wrap things up. Obviously when we leave here it's Valentine's Day. But I always love the saying celebrities are just like us. But other than obviously you mentioned reality tv. But what are your comforts in life when you are not making music, when you're not working? What are things that the normal things that you really enjoy doing that kind of make you feel like home, make you feel connected, just really give you peace of mind?
- [75:12]
Alessia Cara
There's a few things. Honestly, it's truly as simple as just walking around my neighborhood, going to the same coffee shop every day.
- [75:22]
Nick Viall
What's your order?
- [75:23]
Alessia Cara
An oat milk latte. An iced oat milk latte. No matter what the weather. Iced oat milk latte.
- [75:27]
Nick Viall
I'm the opposite. It can be 95 degrees. I'm getting a hot coffee.
- [75:30]
Alessia Cara
Really? Oh, my God. Isn't that terrible? You can feel it going down your.
- [75:34]
Nick Viall
Chest when it's like, I'll be, like, sweating. It's humid. I'm just, like, drinking.
- [75:38]
Alessia Cara
No, I'm the complete opposite. But yeah, like, I've always had that dream of, like, going into a coffee shop and them knowing my name and knowing my order and that sense of.
- [75:45]
Natalie Viall
Normalcy and knowing it because of you coming in, not because you are who you are.
- [75:49]
Alessia Cara
Yeah, exactly. Like, knowing it because I go in and knowing my order because I'm there and I'm living, you know, a similar day every day, and I'm waking up in the same bed. Like, those little moments, moments, that sense of stability and normalcy really, really helped me in my life. And I love that. It just feels like home. And now I have a sense of home to go back to. And that routine, you know, walking my dog. Things like that just really, really are so crucial and helpful just in my, like, psyche and my ability to feel good about things and feel relaxed and comfortable, you know. Wow, that's.
- [76:19]
Nick Viall
I love that. I know you have to go, but I just want to congratulate you on the new release, the new album Love and Hyperbole out Valentine's Day, but when this comes out, it'll be out available for people now. Thank you for taking the time. It's congratulations on the album, all the success. It's really excited for you. It's a. It's a beautiful album. We really enjoy it and I know your fans will as well. So really appreciate it and thank you for your time.
- [76:45]
Alessia Cara
Thank you guys for your time. I appreciate it.
- [76:47]
Nick Viall
Yeah. Thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoyed this. Check out the album and we will see you tomorrow.
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