E891 Going Deeper with Bella Thorne

Summary

The Viall Files: Episode E891 - Going Deeper with Bella Thorne

Release Date: February 26, 2025

Hosts: Nick Viall, Natalie Viall, and the Household
Guest: Bella Thorne

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Introduction

In this emotionally charged episode of The Viall Files, Nick Viall and Natalie Viall welcome actress and entrepreneur Bella Thorne for a candid conversation that delves deep into her personal struggles, triumphs, and ongoing journey toward healing and self-discovery. Skipping the usual podcast advertisements and introductions, the trio focuses entirely on meaningful dialogue, providing listeners with an intimate glimpse into Bella's life.

Early Life and Career

Bella Thorne opens up about her early entrance into the entertainment industry. Starting her modeling career at just six weeks old, Bella recounts her initial forays into acting, mentioning roles in HBO's Big Love and other projects prior to her breakthrough in comedy with Disney's Shake It Up.

Bella Thorne [04:19]: "I did commercials as well and then did acting. And one really fond memory I have is this Target commercial... it was so beautiful."

Despite a challenging start, including being mislabeled as "ugly" by her mother due to birth complications, Bella's resilience shone through, leading her to establish herself as a versatile actress.

Struggles with Bullying and Dyslexia

Bella candidly discusses her painful experiences with bullying during her school years. Diagnosed with dyslexia, she shares the difficulties she faced both academically and socially, highlighting how these experiences shaped her self-esteem and outlook on life.

Bella Thorne [07:39]: "I was also bullied in school when I was there, so they took me out and they took me to Sylvan Learning Center."

Nick relates to Bella's struggles, revealing his own late diagnosis of dyslexia and the challenges it posed in his career, particularly with tasks like reading from a teleprompter.

Nick Viall [08:46]: "I'm a big believer in not leaning into my weaknesses... but it's just nice to know what they are."

Family Tragedies

The conversation takes a somber turn as Bella shares the heartbreaking loss of her father in a motorcycle accident when she was nine years old. She details the traumatic experience of her father's sudden passing and the subsequent loss of her grandmother, which compounded the family's grief.

Bella Thorne [19:48]: "I was nine when my dad died in a motorcycle accident... it was a double whammy for the family."

Bella highlights the resilience her family has shown, honoring her father's memory through traditions like writing messages on balloons and creating her jewelry line, Thorn Dynasty, inspired by her father's dream of a "Thorn Empire."

Personal Growth and Healing

Reflecting on her journey, Bella discusses how her experiences with trauma and loss have fueled her creative endeavors and personal growth. She emphasizes the importance of channeling pain into creativity rather than allowing it to fester.

Bella Thorne [16:07]: "I think I'll always still have that kind of feeling inside of me... it's better to do something with them."

She also speaks about overcoming her fears, such as her fear of reading aloud due to dyslexia, and marks personal milestones like reading her book at Carnegie Hall and participating in public readings at the White House.

Bella Thorne [17:56]: "Reading my book at Carnegie Hall was beautiful... it was a way to honor my dad."

Relationships and Resilience

Bella shares insights into her current relationship, highlighting the strong foundation built with her partner, Mark. She praises the mutual support and humor that anchors their bond, contrasting it with her past relationships where she often felt unsafe and judged.

Bella Thorne [45:36]: "I always feel very safe, and that's a really hard thing for anybody to feel, especially women."

Natalie and Nick reflect on their own relationships, drawing parallels and emphasizing the importance of mutual support and understanding in overcoming personal and professional challenges.

Views on Social Media and Privacy

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Bella's complex relationship with social media. After years of being an open book, she expresses frustration with how personal information and vulnerabilities were exploited and used against her. This led her to withdraw from social media to preserve her mental health and authenticity.

Bella Thorne [29:58]: "I decided to escape social media... I'm so sick of asking for you to like me."

Bella advocates for privacy and the importance of self-care, especially for public figures who are constantly under scrutiny.

Current Projects and Future Plans

Bella reveals her upcoming projects, including directing a movie based on a true story—an endeavor that combines her creative passion with her personal experiences. She also discusses her engagement to Mark, detailing their plans for a future together, which includes expanding her creative empire and potentially starting a family.

Bella Thorne [73:21]: "Hopefully happiness... we're doing our first movie together."

The couple's collaborative spirit is evident as they navigate both personal and professional landscapes, supporting each other's ambitions and fostering a deep, respectful partnership.

Closing Remarks

As the episode concludes, Bella Thorne expresses gratitude for the platform to share her story, reinforcing the importance of vulnerability and connection in overcoming life's adversities. Nick and Natalie commend her bravery and resilience, underscoring the episode's overarching themes of healing, empowerment, and the strength of human spirit.

Bella Thorne [80:00]: "Thank you for being so vulnerable and open and honest."

Notable Quotes:

• Bella Thorne [09:56]: "I still have a huge fear of reading out loud in front of people."
• Nick Viall [08:19]: "I don't like to lean into my weaknesses... but it's just nice to know what they are."
• Bella Thorne [16:07]: "It's better to do something with them, put it into something."
• Bella Thorne [73:21]: "Hopefully happiness... we're doing our first movie together."

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This episode of The Viall Files offers a profound exploration of Bella Thorne's life, shedding light on her challenges and triumphs. Through honest conversation, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the resilience required to navigate fame, personal loss, and the quest for authentic living.

Transcript

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[Bella Thorne]

You're crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Do you know horoscopes well?

[Bella Thorne]

A little bit. Well enough, I think, for the most part.

[Natalie Viall]

What are you, a Libra?

[Bella Thorne]

Yay.

[Nick Viall]

When's your birthday?

[Bella Thorne]

October 8th.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, nice. Nice.

[Nick Viall]

Do you know all your, like your rising and all that other stuff or.

[Bella Thorne]

I did at one point and now I think I've forgotten it.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

I know that one of them is like a Taurus. And I was like, oh, cool. That makes sense because my Libra ness is a bit too chill for how I am personally.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

Naturally, as a person, I am quite by the book, you could say on things. So I was like, ah, that must be the Taurus.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I don't even. I honestly don't even know what they all are. I always hear about the Geminis. I know Libras.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, I love Geminis. My favorite sign.

[Natalie Viall]

When is that?

[Bella Thorne]

Gemini is in May.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. We ready? I mean, I still got. Can we keep talking about horoscopes? I'm kind of fascinated by it. Bella. Welcome to the Vile Files.

[Bella Thorne]

Thank you for having me.

[Natalie Viall]

It's great to have you excited.

[Nick Viall]

Where'd you get that sparkle cup?

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. A little bit of a little something something in here.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

I mean, little light vodka.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, there we go. Love that. I mean, if you need a. You need to pop it off. We got. We got a whole bar. No one ever drinks it.

[Natalie Viall]

I know there is a lot of liquor out there.

[Nick Viall]

We do a lot of morning interviews, but, you know. Yeah, we did have someone come in and like rip shots at like 10am Once.

[Natalie Viall]

No judgment.

[Bella Thorne]

Wow.

[Natalie Viall]

No judgment.

[Bella Thorne]

That's awesome. In some ways, it's kind of like committed to a cause.

[Natalie Viall]

It's kind of like seeing people at the airport when you have a super early flight and they're sitting at the like with wine or. And you're like, I mean, I guess, you know, gotta get some airport, though.

[Bella Thorne]

Different, isn't it? Like at any time in an airport.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, it's like 5:00 somewhere in an airport.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

There's like no rules. Maybe in an airport. Except there's a lot of rules.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Except, you know, except drinking and time.

[Nick Viall]

Does matter because you do want to make your flight. But I suppose it is like a. You walk into an airport, you're kind of on vacation.

[Natalie Viall]

It's judgment free zone. Yeah, whatever.

[Nick Viall]

So have you been like, obviously crazy world these days? Like.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I even.

[Nick Viall]

Is everything safe firewise?

[Bella Thorne]

Yes, thankfully. Yes. The house is there. I was out of town as well, filming, and my sister and whatnot had to evacuate. And it was so scary being on FaceTime and whatnot with her dealing with that situation. And yeah, when I had come home, I was like, I guess we'll see if it's still there.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. Like, not even be home and just be watching everything happen and like, not know.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. And be checking in on everybody, constantly seeing how everyone was doing. Yeah. Very weird being on the other side.

[Natalie Viall]

That is really weird.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay. I am super intrigued by just your life in general. I obviously, I'm 26, so I grew up on Shake It Up.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Love Shake It Up. What was that your first ever, like, acting experience or did you do anything before that?

[Bella Thorne]

Yes. Yeah, I did quite a few things before that. I was on Big Love on HBO and quite a few other shows, some movies, but nothing comedy. So that was my first comedy. I had wondered growing up in my life if I would ever do comedy, if I was even funny in any sort of way.

[Natalie Viall]

Well, you crush, clearly.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. My. My sister actually went over those lines with me for the audition. And so that's like, a really fond memory.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I bet. I feel like. I mean, what. So how old were you when you first got into acting?

[Bella Thorne]

Eight. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Wow. And, like, how did that even happen?

[Bella Thorne]

Well, I had been modeling since I was born, since I was six weeks old, oddly enough.

[Natalie Viall]

Just perfect child. They were like, this baby's so beautiful.

[Bella Thorne]

No, actually, I was an ugly baby. My mom never forgets to remind me that I was very Ugly.

[Natalie Viall]

She's like, I don't know how you booked these jobs, but you did.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. I was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck, so I was quite blue when I came out. Yeah. And they had to rush me away. And then hours later, they. They brought me back, and my mom was like, that one's not mine. And she kept telling them to look at her other previous children, and they were all very beautiful babies. My sister. Even the beautiful baby award in the hospital. Who does it?

[Natalie Viall]

I mean, wow.

[Bella Thorne]

Since you're this little, just getting into.

[Nick Viall]

Shame real early in your.

[Bella Thorne]

And I had all this, like, dark hair that later on fell out and became blonde. But she just. She was. Definitely kept telling them that I was. I was not the baby. I was not the baby that came out. And they were like, no, this one is promise yours. She's like, no, not that one. Yeah. Yeah. And then somewhere along the way, I just really.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, you really. You really came through. Wow.

[Nick Viall]

Like, as soon as you got that look, mom just rushed you in to the modeling gig.

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What was your first.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, what was your first early memory of modeling? Like, were you doing it all the way through as a young child?

[Bella Thorne]

Yes. Yeah, all the way through. There was a Target commercial as well. I did commercials as well and then did acting. And one really fond memory I have is this Target commercial. And there was all these butterflies on set, and they had such colorful sets, and everything matched, and it was monochromatic. And it's really such a beautiful commercial. And when I think about the stuff that I like even in my own house or when it comes to building sets and how much that's in me, and I feel like it came from that moment being so wowed as I think I was 6 or 7, and I was just so amazed by the color and the sets and it all being matching. Yeah, it's a very, very beautiful commerc. Target killed it on that one.

[Nick Viall]

And did you enjoy it all the way through? Were there ever moments where you're just like, I'm over this, or is it something that you always just kind of.

[Bella Thorne]

No, not. Yeah, not as a child. I think you're stoked. Everything is awesome. And, yeah, I think when you start to get a little bit older and you're tired and you're like, oh, man, this is a long day.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. So there was no part of you that would have rather been, like, outside playing with your friends or doing whatever?

[Bella Thorne]

No, I didn't have friends. I was not a. Yeah, yeah. No. I was also Bullied in school when I was there, so they took me out and they took me to Sylvan Learning Center. Then I was diagnosed with dyslexia. And, yeah, I was.

[Natalie Viall]

Nick's also dyslexic, so. Safe space.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Knock on.

[Natalie Viall]

I'm not.

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You honestly brought awareness to it for me.

[Natalie Viall]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Nick Viall]

No, seriously, I don't. Because you were honestly back. I'm a bit older, so, like, when I was a kid, you didn't know. Know about dyslexia or talk about dyslexia. And honestly, like, if you found out you were dyslexic, you weren't. You weren't telling people. Like, that was something you definitely would have gotten picked on. And it wasn't until I was adult where I was like, why can I.

[Sponsor]

Not read out loud very well?

[Nick Viall]

And I could never figure it out because I was just like, I'm not stupid.

[Bella Thorne]

So what age did you get diagnosed?

[Sponsor]

Like, in my 30s.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

Wow. Was it, like, somewhat.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was. I didn't, like. It didn't really change anything.

[Sponsor]

I didn't, like, start.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't take any dyslexic courses.

[Sponsor]

Courses to help me, like, read better aloud.

[Nick Viall]

Honestly, like, I don't know if they have those.

[Sponsor]

I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

They do. Because, like, I would love. Because, like, a teleprompter is, like, a nightmare for me. I'm like.

[Sponsor]

I'm like, slow down, please.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Sponsor]

But it does it. Like, I felt a little scene.

[Nick Viall]

Not to sound corny, but it was just like, I'm a big believer in, like. I don't like to, like, lean into my weaknesses, so to speak, but I think it's just nice to know what they are. So at least I just, like, be like, oh. Like, I don't have to make excuses for anything. I'm just dyslexic now. So it's just.

[Sponsor]

It's you. I don't lead with it.

[Nick Viall]

But, like, yeah, like, now I know why I have no idea, like, how many vowels are in a word or, like, why I have a hard time reading a teleprompter and everyone else makes it look so easy and it looks so hard for me.

[Bella Thorne]

I still have, like, a huge fear of reading out loud in front of people. And when I was doing my book tour and whatnot, it was. It was like, no, you were. You are doing this. Like, this is something that. In. In my book, there is, like, a lot of references to dyslexia and whatnot, and I spell things wrong and Then I rewrite it on the typewriter and rewrite it again and keep spelling it wrong. And it was like, a nice way to, like, I'm dyslexic. Everybody made me feel a lot better about myself, actually.

[Nick Viall]

And also one of my favorite after I found out and people were telling me all the very talented, very successful people who are dyslexic.

[Bella Thorne]

So many. So many.

[Natalie Viall]

The first book that Nick bought our daughter river was the dyslexic ABCs. And it was every.

[Nick Viall]

I bought it for myself.

[Natalie Viall]

It was like Albert Einstein for a. Or like, you know, all of the people who have just been so brilliant in this world who are also dyslexic.

[Bella Thorne]

All for the. Every letter. Yeah, I want that book.

[Nick Viall]

I know. It's like, we were at, like, a kid's store, and I, like. I bought it for me. I mean, I'll read it to her someday, but I'm like, you know, tell her about dad.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So you were all. I mean, many people are. Natalie has some horrific bullying stories.

[Natalie Viall]

I mean, it was the. The full mean girl scene of, like, my. I had started modeling at a young age, and they took one of my modeling pictures, and she wrote Sex for Free Whore. And like, all over school, like, all over Twitter. It was. Yeah, it was everywhere. And I'm so sorry. It was a nightmare. But then I quickly left and was like, I'm going to move to New York and model bitch. Yeah, exactly.

[Bella Thorne]

You. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

But it was very traumatic. So I understand that, like, feeling of being like, let me just get the out of here.

[Bella Thorne]

How long did you have to deal with that for?

[Natalie Viall]

Like, I left, like, Christmas time. So it was the beginning of. So, like, August to December, probably.

[Bella Thorne]

I'm so sorry.

[Nick Viall]

Every once in a while, Natalie will get, like, a DM from someone from, like, back home. And now.

[Bella Thorne]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

Heard from another bully, you know, because now that, like, now he's out here and.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, I'm sure they've forgotten all.

[Nick Viall]

Got a little bit in the public eye.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, my God, girl. How are you? Congratulations.

[Natalie Viall]

I always loved you.

[Nick Viall]

Did you ever hear from any of your, like, high school bullies who, like, decided to forget that they were assholes to you and, like, just remind you, like, oh, we used to go to school and be best friends.

[Bella Thorne]

No, actually, one of my biggest bullies was my teacher. She really went out of. Of her way to bully me in front of classmates, make me get up and read, knowing I couldn't make me stay there. At one point, she even threw away a Christmas present that's like, you know, when you get those things and it has the mug and it has the little cocoa and stuff. And so our parents, like, you know, got all the teachers, like, different things. And I saw it in the trash when I came back from recess, and I'll never forget seeing it just physically in the trash and, like, not being able to really comprehend that as a child of, like, why is it in there? And I just didn't really understand. And when I told my mom when I had gotten home, she was like. She did what? She was so upset. She even went as far as to fake my testing to get into the next grade because she wanted to keep me and humiliate me. And my.

[Sponsor]

Was this teacher ever reprimanded?

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, yeah, My principal, who had a really, I think, a fond liking to me because I was bullied. And sometimes I would have to sit in her room and do things instead of being with the rest of the class. Things like testing and whatever. So when my mom got back those results and stuff, and she took it to the principal and was like, look at this handwriting. Stuff does not match. It literally doesn't match. And the principal had me retake the test, and I pass with flying colors. This crazy. So then she was. She was put on leave after that and. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How old were you when this happened?

[Bella Thorne]

Um, I was in second grade, going to third.

[Natalie Viall]

That is the craziest thing ever. How can an adult just, like, hate a second grader that much?

[Bella Thorne]

Literaturely. And I understand that. I was often not in school a lot with modeling so young and because I spoke Spanish and that's my first language. And with the reading, I don't know what about me made her, like, hate me or if she just thought it was so funny when I was reading to be crying in front of everybody and to keep making me do it. Like, I don't know where in her. I don't know where anybody gets joy out of a child crying and. And being, you know, a stepping stone in that in any sort of way.

[Natalie Viall]

I'm like, craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Bella Thorne]

Why? Why? But I have seen comments before like, oh, I was friends with her in school, and I was like, liar, liar, liar. I have no friends. You're all Lia.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it's. It's one of my favorite things when Nelly reads me these messages from.

[Natalie Viall]

It's also sometimes when, like, I get hate from people, I feel like I'm. It's a little bit easier for me to be like you because it's like, I The I went through at such a young age, like, yeah, this does not affect me anymore.

[Bella Thorne]

Like, good for you. Maybe it would. That's a hard feeling to. To have it's strength. It is.

[Natalie Viall]

It is very hard. So I also am very sorry that you went through that. I know that it can be very traumatic.

[Bella Thorne]

Bullied sisters.

[Natalie Viall]

We're connected.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. Oh, trauma bonding. Isn't it good?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah. It's good to get out. You know, I always love the like again, like, it's always feels good to like rise above the shit that happens to you and. And yeah, like sometimes we'll just run into people when we go back home to her house and you know, the different people who react to Natalie, it's like, especially when they're like, oh, you made it or whatever. It's like, you know, it sucks to hear but like, like stories when she was picked on. But you can definitely like when we run into some people, like, like one girl when it was in Thanksgiving, you ran into a girl, a girl. And she's like, oh, you really made it. And the girl she was with was someone who like bullied you or didn't like. And like she kept going and like, I don't know, it's. I'm always proud of you. When I see people like think like you made it out here or whatever. It's always fun.

[Natalie Viall]

Thanks. I think it's more so just like getting out of your hometown.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

You know, which is sometimes really hard to do. I mean, you're from a small town in Florida, Right. When did you personally feel like? I. Out of this small town, I'm out of the bullying, I'm away from the trauma.

[Bella Thorne]

Let's see, a month ago, maybe yesterday. Yeah. I'm not sure that some of those feelings will ever go away or that I will ever really feel like I made it. I'm not sure that my want for creative more will ever allow me to feel that way. Yeah, I'm not. I think I'll always still have that kind of feeling inside of me. I'm not sure when. Oh, well, don't look like you're gonna cry. Oh, God.

[Natalie Viall]

I don't want you to feel like that forever.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. Yeah. I would like to not feel like that forever as well. And I think, you know, at some point probably will not. When something is so incredible and I really feel like I've done something really great, then. Then maybe I'll not have that feeling a little bit. But yeah, I think I always use all those feelings to. To drive me or Else, they'll just sit. They'll just sit there getting negative and stirred and. Yeah, it's always best to. To do something with them, put it into something.

[Nick Viall]

I definitely have a hard time, like, enjoying any successes I've had with things I've done. I try to work on that. I mean, you've obviously had a very successful career. You've done a lot of amazing things despite, like, having that feeling. Is there one thing that you've done that you are, you know, really proud of or you're most proud of of all the cool things that you've accomplished?

[Bella Thorne]

I would say probably reading my book out loud at Carnegie Hall. Okay. That was a nice one. It was three separate reasons to be proud. One, my dad always loved Carnegie hall, and so to get there and him not be here to see it was like a. And I got to do my poetry about him as well.

[Nick Viall]

That's beautiful.

[Bella Thorne]

And. Yeah. And I think the reading out loud and having a book that's solely based on mental health and being a bit of a mess and dealing with those feelings on. You know, on the inside and being able to do that, all three of those things was, like, such a. Yeah. I don't think I'll ever forget that feeling. Yeah. I do remember that the person I was dating, though, at the time decided to pick a fight with me the whole night day. And I was so upset, and I ordered, like, Uber Eats. And I'll never forget that. I actually, like, looked at the street that they were picking up the food at for some reason, and it was Delancey street, which is my dad's name. So I was like, yes. And also, f you, boyfriend. You can go suck it. Yeah. So it was nice. It was like my dad's like, don't let anybody dim your shine. You got to.

[Nick Viall]

That's a great answer. Yeah. Like, to. To be able to read that alone, you know, especially given all the things that you've done. Like, definitely. It wasn't an answer I was expecting. It's a cool moment.

[Bella Thorne]

I also got to read at the White House. Yeah. For kids with disabilities. And that was. That was like, one of my first times publicly reading. And I was so, so scared and nervous. And I asked my mom how I did when I was done, and she said, you can take a breath. Have. Because I read the whole. I was so afraid to mess up one word that I read the entire book like this. All like this. And the whole entire time. And then I.

[Nick Viall]

No, I completely relate to that as this dyslexic Person, you get down and.

[Natalie Viall]

You'Re like, as fast as possible.

[Bella Thorne]

I will not mess up. I will not mess up.

[Natalie Viall]

How old were you? You're talking about your dad a lot. I know he passed in 2007, right? How old were you when he died?

[Bella Thorne]

I was nine.

[Natalie Viall]

Wow. And how did he pass?

[Bella Thorne]

A motorcycle accident.

[Natalie Viall]

Yes, he was riding the motorcycle.

[Bella Thorne]

Yes. He had nitrous put on his Ducati, which, as you know, is a great idea for anybod. Um, and they had. He had problems with his bike turning off and he took it back to the shop. And I remember my mom and dad arguing about this bike in general. And my mom always saying, like, you're going to kill yourself one day using that bike. Like, she was so upset when he got it and it was turning off. So they put it back in the shop, and the shop let it out earlier than it was supposed to. And that first time he wrote just stopped and he spun out. And then they airlifted him. And by the time they got him on the table, per se, because he had so many broken bones, his heart gave out on him. And then he had a heart attack. So technically he died of a heart attack, but it was because of too much pressure. Yeah. So that was shitty. And then our grandma died, like, two months later. And that was like, you know, my mom's mom, that's like, you know, the one who really raised her. And that just. Oof. That was a double. A double whammy for the family for sure. How.

[Natalie Viall]

What was that conversation like, when they. I assume your mom told you about your dad.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, well, we just heard. We were supposed to go to the beach that morning. My dad was also supposed to come up in the next few days, finally to LA and kind of close out his house there and actually move here with us. So that was also weird timing. And I remember in my bunk bed, hearing my mother screams, screams, screams, screams. And I walked out and she was against the wall and she fell to the floor. And she's on the phone and she's just screaming bloody murder like a. Like an animal being slaughtered is what it sound like. I'll never forget those screams. And she didn't believe them as well. She was like, you're lying to me. Because his phone was off and they turned it on and all the text mess. So she's like, I just got texts from him, like, literally 15 minutes ago, so it has to be wrong. And that also, like, messed with her brain. And then it took hours, you know, for. Then somebody to come to the door so in that whole time, she was in complete disbelief. It's just not possible. He's just texted me. You have it wrong. And then when the police came to the door. Yeah, then that was another.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, it's like the initial heartbreak and then the, like, wait, no, there's hope.

[Bella Thorne]

It's just not possible. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

And then the heartbreak again to follow.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. I think my mom knew in her soul, though, with those blood curdling screams, it was like her heart had been ripped out. And we didn't have enough money to go down to. To see him, to. To cremate him, essentially, and whatnot. So that was also a dark time as well, because we couldn't be there. We were actually given to our friend the Webbers, funny enough, who ended up on the Bachelor.

[Peter Weber]

Peter Weber.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, Peter Weber. Yeah, Jack and Peter. And they became like our solace for that, like, week while my mom went down and dealt with the, you know, passing stuff. And then she came down and the house was broken into. Everything was gone. Stolen. Like.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, man.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, my mom just got it again and again and again. And then. Yeah. The only way that we even were able to, I think, fully understands, when she came back, she had photos of him on the metal slab and she showed us those photos on the BlackBerry. Yeah. Never forget them photos either.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, that sounds scarring.

[Bella Thorne]

And I remember we were arguing. My siblings and I were arguing, and my mom, she was just like, you want something to argue about? Look at this. And it was so much pain in that time.

[Natalie Viall]

Like, do you feel like your mom had, like, anyone she could go to? It was just y'all.

[Bella Thorne]

No one. No one. Yeah. And I think my mom has always felt that way in her life. You know, we don't have much family, and my father's side is Jehovah Witness, and they, like, disowned him, so they wouldn't even come to the cremation. And I know that hurt my mom a lot, not being able to have any side of. Of his family.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I bet.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Did you get a chance to say goodbye to your dad?

[Bella Thorne]

No, no, no. We hadn't seen him in months at that point. Yeah, he was just coming back, so that was. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How have your family been able to heal over the years? Or if I'm assuming they have?

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. I don't know that we ever really fully, you know, will totally heal, but we try to honor his memory. You know, on his birthday, we'll write things on a balloon and then send them up. And I think we all try in our own little ways. I made my jewelry because he always wanted a Thorn Empire, and that was. And he never got to see that or us do any of that. So that's why I call it Thorn Dynasty, because hopefully one day he'll, you know, get to see that and be like, yeah, like, you better get it. So, yeah, it's all, like, designed after Florida and family and my dad. Thank you.

[Natalie Viall]

So I feel like he is. I mean, I feel like he's along. I mean, clearly he's like, along the way the whole time. You know, it's like he was there in Carnegie hall, you know? Like, I feel like he's been in your back pocket this whole time since he passed, you know?

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Like, so it's really special that you get to, like, live on some, like, his dream.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, exactly. Special and, you know, keep that for generations to come, you know, when I have children and whatnot. Obviously they'll never get to meet their grandpa. So I think having that. I got a fucking painting of a family photo of us hanging, like, right when you walk into my house, and it's fucking big. And these amazing artists did it for me, and, like, they recaptured his smile. So much so I'm definitely, like, not letting him die again in any sort of way. That's so special.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I know it's obviously not easy to share, but thank you for opening up my makeup.

[Bella Thorne]

You're beautiful, but I used a primer.

[Natalie Viall]

So, yeah, better come through for me right now.

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[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I mean thank you for sharing and opening up about that. And you know I I was just curious too. Obviously we're very excited to just be sitting here with you and talking with you and and having you open up with us. But like you're also not someone who does this a lot and. And gives a lot of interviews. And, you know, I was just kind of curious, like. Like, why now? In terms of, you know, kind of your willingness to share a little bit more about yourself and open up and, you know, we are very appreciative of that and excited to keep talking to you, but, you know, it's. I think it's not lost with a lot of your fans just how much you cherish your privacy and are reluctant to open up and share things like that.

[Bella Thorne]

That's a great question. I think I have been an open book since I was 18 for so long, and. And it felt really mean and kind of evil when people would use those things against me and blame me for them. I've. You know, even when I had a face full of acne and I wouldn't wear makeup and I was popping it on Snapchat and, you know, kind of going through the whole process and really trying to, like, be open about who I was, it was always like, oh, she has to be on heroin because look at her skin. It's so bad. Like, will she, you know, wash her face? She should try soap kind of things. And, like, actual, like, articles writing that. Not even just comments, like, articles writing that kind of language. And when I, you know, came out about being molested growing up, I think that was another thing that really hurt when people used it against me to almost speak badly on my character of who I am now as a woman, because this thing had happened to me. And when I had to put out my own nudes because I was being fucking threatened and that, you know, Whoopi Goldberg and said that I had essentially kind of deserved it in some way because I had sent the photo in the first place, that I had even taken the photo.

[Nick Viall]

And you, like, flat out said it was your fault.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. And I obviously got very upset because that was such a hard thing for me to do. And I remember I was on my book tour, and I was about to do an interview, and I was reading those texts, and I literally asked my manager. I was like, what the fuck do I do here? And I was like, like, at this point, like, it's just so embarrass, piercing. He's going to take it from me. He's going to take these parts of my body, and somebody's already done this once to me, so I don't want them to do that again. And so then it was like, well, if I do it, then it's my decision, and it's not yours, even though it kind of still is your decision, because I'm only doing it because of you. And so. But at least it's mine. It's my stamp on it. And people saying that I, like, was faking that, to put it. To, like, get attention, that I just wanted to, like. Like, put out my body in that way and. And do this and fake this thing. And that hurt again. I was just like. Like, these are really personal, seriously deeply rooted, like, issues and things I've gone through. And to have it thrown up in your face so much of, like, you deserve it, and this is what you are, and you're that kind of woman. That's what you deserve. All of this was so hard at, like, like, 2019 to, like, mentally go through. And I think some people think I'm, like, still the old me, like, the crazy, rebellious Bella. And you're like, are you not? Like, are you. What. What is happening here? Do you not see what I was going through at those times? What other way would any normal person react? Like, I'm still a teenager in some ways, and it was just really. Yeah. Yeah. Shitty. And so I felt like I could not be honest anymore. Why would I be honest with you when all you do is throw it back in my face and. And blame me for it and call me disgusting for it. Thank God I also got to work with the FBI and put this son of a. Away, and he did go away, and now he's sitting in there for, like, eight years, so. And he did it to all these other people as well. So when the FBI saw that post, they immediately reached out and was like, this is the same exact language. We know this guy has done it before, and we have these other things and worked with to, like, put him away. I had to, like, write the statements as well for the judge, and I had to re. Go through that process again to write those statements. And in my heart, when they asked me to write it, I was like, is this going to come out? And they were like, well, what do you mean? I was like, what if people post this statement? Like, again, they're going to take my words and how I feel and what this man took from me, and they're going to. They're going to, like, fiend off of that, and that's fucking disgusting. So that was like. Like, so scary. And I just. I think I just decided, no, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not giving y'all nothing when you act like that. Why should I? And, yeah, so I think I was just like, nope. And now, like, I don't. I don't want to not be myself because that's only doing myself a disservice. And then everything that I go against, they've won. So it's like, either way, I feel like sometimes I'm in a lose, lose battle. I'm sure this interview will be even thrown up in my face, like, oh, well, she and this and, oh, crocodile tears years. Or, oh, she deserved it. Oh, she's too sexual. Look at her. Like, you know, just. It's like, it's just so shitty to hear every day, all the time, I think. So I've been like, beep. I'll just not speak. But I don't think it's fair to teach people not to speak because you're afraid of speaking and getting ridiculed. That doesn't seem like a win.

[Nick Viall]

We're. We're releasing an episode by the time this comes out, and we're a little nervous about it. Natalie had a miscarriage a couple weeks. Yeah, but, you know, just hearing you speak, you know, it's like, it's, you know, yeah, it was tough, but, like, we didn't know what to do is like, we wanted to share our experience. We can't. We do this for a living. And it was kind of like, therapeutic for us just to, you know, we're just going to talk about it and, you know, we decided to. To put it out there knowing that, like, you know, our intention obviously was one, we wanted to memorialize our child. And like, you know, hearing you talk about your dad, like, you don't want to forget, you know, and like, when you don't have a chance to meet your baby, it's harder to connect, you know, as a dad, and it's even harder. And so, you know, and obviously we, you know, we've heard a lot of stories about it and then. So we wanted to share knowing that, like, a lot of people, people, you know, it's like they feel very alone when it happens because no one really, you know, everyone's like, sorry it happened. But, like, anyways, like, you know, it's like an awkward thing that it's like they don't really relate to it, but, you know, we know I'm offline, you know, because, like, I don't really give a shit what people say, and I've gotten much better. And like, when I'm curious, I wanted to ask you is because you're right, like, the Internet's an asshole. People are assholes. Hurt people. Hurt people. You've heard that phrase, and that's just never gonna go away. All we can do as humans or people or just anyone in the public eye or just, hell, anyone who's, like, has a phone, you know, is like, get better at just, like, removing yourself and not listening to the noise and the disruption and just feeling good about, like, whatever it is you put out. I'm curious, like, have you gotten better at that? Just, like, you know, feeling good about whatever it is you're putting out there as a creator, as an artist, and. And just say, you know, it, like, your opinions, whoever you are, just. It's none of my goddamn business because, like, you know, they're always going to be.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. Well, on the creative side, yes. I'm about to go direct a movie that I wrote that's based on a true story. It's so important. I've put, you know, blood, sweat, and tears, and so has everybody else. And that I'm, I think is, like, one of the things that I'll first really pick, be so happy about. And on the other side, man, I just decided to escape social media. On the Instagrams, in the Twitters, I was like, all these little tweets. At some point, you can't read your own shit because you're like, oh, I'm going to see one thing, and instead of focusing on all the amazing comments, you're going to focus on this one thing. And if they really poked you somewhere where you were sensitive, boom, they've got you for the rest of the day. And somebody that I don't even know is offending me. The audacity is how I feel. So I liked when Instagram was when it first started, and you repost a photo of your foot and, like, your random food and, like, weird selfie, and it became this. My resume, my resume, my resume. Here's how. Whatever you think of me, here it is right here. What do you think of me? Judge me now and. And move on to the next person to judge them. And then same thing just keeps on going, and I'm just so over it. I'm quirky. I'm ridiculous. I think I also stopped being myself and in interviews, in. In social media as well. I'm quite a quirky person. I do a lot of different voices. I like, hop in and out. I'm very sarcastic. And I think a part of me kind of, like, that part of me kind of died, and people were wondering, like, where is that part? Is that. Was that still you? And I would always get judged for it like, oh, she crazy. Like and that kind of stuff when you're just a silly person. People like scrolling like this, like, oh, she looks bad. Boom. Oh, oh, I didn't like that. Like why she do that? Like, that's not. I, I don't care to engage with those people anymore because I'm so sick of asking for you to like me. So I'm so sick of that. I'm not going to do it anymore. And that's how I feel.

[Nick Viall]

That's great. I mean, that's the best you can do.

[Natalie Viall]

I like was kind of the same way you were of just like, why am I allowing strangers to like comment under my judgment of my family, of my life life. Like, why would I do so I have had on the like restrictions of just people that I allow to like comment stuff because it's like, why would I give this random person the like opportunity to put their opinion. Exactly.

[Bella Thorne]

You're not in high school anymore.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, like I don't have girls. I don't have to read that. You don't deserve the right to comment under my, like, go get a life. But I want to like going back to all of these things that you, you had to endure in your life. I, I think we have a very similar childhood, you know, and I went through a lot of similar things that you did.

[Bella Thorne]

Sorry to hear that.

[Natalie Viall]

And I think when you go through that at a really young age, you have a weird relationship with your body. And so I think that is probably why like the extra sting of this boyfriend at the time trying to like release all of these nudes of you.

[Bella Thorne]

No, not a boyfriend. Boyfriend. And an actual like, what's it called? Oh, a hacker. Yes. Not a boyfriend. No, hacker.

[Natalie Viall]

Someone hacked.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, I didn't even know that. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. But I just want to say like, you sharing that side of you, I know you see like the people being like you just you, the terrible things that people say. But when I tell you like sitting beside you as someone who went through something similar to hear that like, I'm not alone, I didn't go through it alone, I don't have to go through it alone. That people like you will talk about your experience and you will see like you on the other side of things is so inspirational and it's like something for us to hold on to and to be like, there's hope, you know, Like I won't be this person who's stuck in my 10 year old body and reliving things that Happened to me over and over again. You know, like, look at this person. This person is beautiful, successful, creative. Like, and. And I think you're giving people hope and light. And I just want to, like, thank you for being so open and honest about the things that you've been through, because it's not easy, and, like, it's a very alone feeling. And I'm so sorry you went through all of that. And I think that surviving it is, like, you know, people would say all the time, like, oh, well, you were, like, this victim of sexual assault. And it's like, I. Yeah, I. I definitely was a victim, but, like, I fuck survived it. And, like, I'm here, and it's like, it's made me this resilient, strong person. And, like, now I wouldn't let a man, like. Like, I feel like that gave. Like, going through that gave me the strength to be like you and off and, like, I'm not this, like, naive little girl anymore who just, like, trusted anyone and everyone, you know, I feel like it just really gave me that strength. And you being able to talk about is just like. I think it's giving people more hope than tearing people, you know, like, the people who want to tear you down.

[Bella Thorne]

Well, thank you so much for that. I was going to say the same to you for what happened to you guys and that you're being so brave and sharing it, and I think that that is going to help so many people, and especially in the political climate that we're in, is so important to share your piece and your journey with it. And I think that that will be really heartwarming for a lot of people that have been through it and will feel like, thank God.

[Natalie Viall]

I hope so.

[Bella Thorne]

Somebody's making me feel.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

It's a fucking alone feeling to go through the things that we, you know, have gone through. And so it is, I think, to, like, hear other people talk about their experiences, because it's not something you want to talk about. You know, you don't want to go publicly, and you don't want. Want to. Like, the people in my life who had no idea. It's like, now they do, and now that's like a. You know, I. I didn't. I didn't ever want all these people to know that about my life. But, like, I know that me talking about this miscarriage, it's like, I know that there's so many women who go through that who are like, what the. Like, am I the only per. You know? And they want something to connect to and So I think, like, all of us being able to just talk about vulnerabilities and the stuff that we go through in life is really important. So I'm just, like, really proud of you.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Did you ever get a sincere apology from Whoopi?

[Bella Thorne]

I think I'll next that question. Yeah, there was, there was a video set sent from backstage. Yes, there was a video sent. Oh, yes.

[Nick Viall]

Like a cameo.

[Natalie Viall]

Interesting.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

Right, and the next question.

[Nick Viall]

You're engaged. How's that going? That's a weird transition.

[Bella Thorne]

You're engaged.

[Nick Viall]

No, but obviously we love talking about relationships and love and you, you know. Shit, I got so many exes and stories and things like that, but, like, you know, it all came to, like, me being able to meet my wife, you know, all the, all the crazy, you know, heartbreaks and stories, and some of it has been on tv and some of it's not. But, you know, you're very happily engaged now, and, like, how do you feel? Like, what you have with your fiance, how has that shaped you, and what do you love best about your relationship with him?

[Bella Thorne]

One of the things I love best is that we're always very quite silly with, with one another and that we're always able to make kind of a dark joke out of a dark situation that we might be in in life, you know, And I think that that's, that we, we really connect in our, in our humor and, and our silliness. I also love the way that he takes care of me. I always feel very safe, and that's a really hard thing, I think, for anybody to feel, especially women. It's very, it's like everywhere you look, there's just murder everywhere. And it's, it and, and not that your partner has to give that to you, because that's a very hard thing to give. You can't just make somebody feel safe. Like, it's, it's not just about what you're doing and what you're saying. It's about everything all at the same time. Yeah. I don't think I've ever felt safe with, with anybody that I've been with, actually. I felt more times that I had to make them feel safe in some situations, and that not great. So I, I, I really love that he's able to do that quite effortlessly with me.

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[Nick Viall]

I mean, now that I say that to each other all the time, you know, it's, and I think clearly it's, I think what I've learned from my wife and my audience, that safety is probably the number one thing women are looking for. It's also, I think, something men really appreciate too, that they don't talk about too. It's just like, you know, when you, I mean, what is a serious relationship or a marriage, you know, an engagement if not to like have someone in your life that you can actually truly be yourself and be safe and be that vulnerable person. And I think, yeah, when I was younger, like I've been in love and I had great girlfriends, but like, I was like, I don't know, you know, it's like, you know, at times I felt loved, but like, I also felt like we competed, you know, I felt like we were at each other's throats, you know, I felt judged, you know, or I felt like ashamed to say something or do something. And yeah, it's, it's, it's nice to be able to find someone where, you know, you can open up and you can make each other feel safe. And like you said, it's, it's not something that comes very easily and that's something, something that happens over time and it doesn't mean you don't have ups and downs and work through your own shit. But like, there's, I think with Nally and I, you know, I'm curious if this is something that you relate to. But like, I feel like we both like, give a shit about our relationship. Like, we wake up every day and like, I feel her effort to make us work as much as I feel like I'm putting in the effort, you know, And I think that's a very unique feeling in a relationship that a lot of people just kind of take for granted. Like when you're younger, it was inspirational. More like, oh my God, like we're.

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[Nick Viall]

And like you meet in the first month's awesome and you like plan out the next 10 years of your life and then like you just like start dating and hating each other. But like, yeah, we're very, you know, like when we feel a disconnect, like we're very quick to like, someone points that out, you know, and that's something that I've never had in a relationship. And again, it doesn't.

[Bella Thorne]

Then when you do it like that, you don't let it get out of hand.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

For too long and you know, listen.

[Natalie Viall]

More built up feelings and explode.

[Nick Viall]

And like every relationship, you know, we have our, you know, we work through shit.

[Bella Thorne]

You see that thing going around on Instagram that's like, you know, you're in a really great relationship if you're able to fart in front of your partner. Do you guys fart in front of each other?

[Natalie Viall]

Nick definitely does. I don't. I never would never.

[Bella Thorne]

Somehow not allowed to fart for some reason.

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[Nick Viall]

I've never farted. I've never admitted to farting.

[Natalie Viall]

He doesn't. He never admits to. It's always like, what? I didn't. Huh? What happened? You know, he will never admit to it. He also. He's just, like, not a fan of bathroom talk. You know? Like, he's not. I.

[Nick Viall]

It's a me thing.

[Bella Thorne]

It's. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

He's like, I know. Everyone poops.

[Bella Thorne]

I get it.

[Nick Viall]

I understand. I'm not trying to pretend that doesn't happen, but we don't have to embrace it like some people really do.

[Natalie Viall]

You and Mark share, like. Do you have toilets that sit in front of each other? And like, you both.

[Nick Viall]

Meghan Trainor.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, my God. We have one toilet that we both use when the other person's not in the room. I am quite bathroom shy. And I put on the. The tap.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

Yes. Or I mostly play music out of my phone, so I'll always bring my phone. And I just start blasting rap music. And I think then he knows it's time.

[Natalie Viall]

Maybe don't enter the room.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. I like that.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, you know. But you.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You don't need to have. You don't need to know.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. You can just know subconsciously. But you're not. You don't need to go there.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Like, that's my.

[Bella Thorne]

So we think the Instagram study's wrong. Then it's gotta be.

[Natalie Viall]

I feel like it's more. Who is talking about this? Maybe it was like, I saw a clip of Alex Earl talking about how she was like, he. We don't even, like, pee in front of each other. That's crazy because, like, it will kill the sex.

[Nick Viall]

No, that's crazy.

[Natalie Viall]

Like, we won't be.

[Bella Thorne]

Or will. It's.

[Natalie Viall]

You know. Or you just. Yes. And left and right. Yeah. So I was like, well, that's extreme. But that's also. You know, I don't know. Maybe some people.

[Nick Viall]

That's not.

[Bella Thorne]

Feel.

[Natalie Viall]

It will kill the sex.

[Bella Thorne]

What do you mean? Not in front of each other. Like, as in they have to leave the entirety of the bathroom. If you like.

[Natalie Viall]

What are you doing if you're in a hotel? You know, it's like, go down to the lobby, have to pee.

[Bella Thorne]

Right? Is that what they. Is that what she means?

[Natalie Viall]

I Guess. I think so.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, come on. Every time.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

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[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I gotta use.

[Nick Viall]

He's so. You know, like when you're a kid, you know, it's like, oh, go pee.

[Sponsor]

In the woods or something.

[Nick Viall]

It's not a big deal. Like, no kid is like taking a shit.

[Bella Thorne]

I don't know that we were peeing in the woods. That wasn't the go to.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe as boys, I don't know.

[Bella Thorne]

I'm still scared when it comes to camping and whatnot to pee. I have this phobia that a spider or a snake will come up and.

[Nick Viall]

Do you camp often?

[Bella Thorne]

And hurt me down there and hurt me bad? No, that's a fear and forever scar me for the rest of my life.

[Natalie Viall]

That is for sure scary.

[Nick Viall]

Do you camp? Camp?

[Bella Thorne]

Yes. Yes. I have done a quite a bit of camping. Yeah. Yeah, I. I Do you have.

[Natalie Viall]

Do you have the shewee?

[Bella Thorne]

The what?

[Natalie Viall]

She We.

[Bella Thorne]

The hoo Ha.

[Natalie Viall]

It's like you can like stand up and pee, I believe, for women. Give me an image. Shewee images. Yep.

[Nick Viall]

No, it's a funnel.

[Bella Thorne]

She. We're kind of digging that, right?

[Natalie Viall]

No spiders climbing up your hoo Ha.

[Nick Viall]

Is that for camping?

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

That's wild.

[Natalie Viall]

Isn't that crazy?

[Bella Thorne]

But then, so then when. What's the next step after that step happens? What's the next step when you still have the she?

[Natalie Viall]

No, it's a funnel. So it comes out like a men.

[Bella Thorne]

But then it's still. Right. It's still contaminated.

[Nick Viall]

Do you clean it?

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Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How do you clean it?

[Bella Thorne]

You're in. Oh, you're in the woods. You got the she wee. It's done.

[Natalie Viall]

I feel like you stick it in the ground, right? And you would just pick it up if you need it again. Am I right? It's like a little stake in the ground.

[Nick Viall]

Wash it when you leave and then, I mean, you are camping, you're gonna get dirty.

[Bella Thorne]

But then like. Oh, I guess the dirt's not technically near the. I just don't like dirt anywhere in any, you know, near any sort of circumstance.

[Natalie Viall]

How do you feel about. How do you feel about sand? Are you the same with sand? Like, you don't.

[Bella Thorne]

Sand in the. In the charcuterie is not cool.

[Natalie Viall]

The charcuterie board. Yes, of course.

[Bella Thorne]

Sand in the charcuterie is nutshell.

[Natalie Viall]

Absolutely.

[Bella Thorne]

You wouldn't eat charcuterie with sand, though, would.

[Natalie Viall]

No, I would not.

[Bella Thorne]

Neither would I.

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[Nick Viall]

By law 18 on this show. My audience is fascinated with alternative relationships. Is.

[Sponsor]

Is this a rumor? Is it true?

[Nick Viall]

Were you in and tana in a throuple or was that just a rumor?

[Bella Thorne]

No, no, we were not in a. In a throuple.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

No, no, we were definitely dating and then she would be dating other people and I was dating a person at that time and so was open. Yeah, yeah. Open. I would say. Yeah. Okay.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Well that's also.

[Bella Thorne]

But we all did hang out together. It was in. And I think that freaked people out that we were. That it wasn't like, oh, you brought around this person, this other person you're dating. No, we all hanging out together in the studio together, doing whatever together. And I think that made people go, oh, and then that's like a mini open. The guy that I was dating at that time, then he like ran with it and wanted to be like. He like publicly ran and wanted to. Oh, I got these two baddies, sir.

[Nick Viall]

It just sounds like a guy who's in like two different situationships with two girls and you all, like, are chill about it.

[Bella Thorne]

No. Yeah, she had different. Yeah, I was. I had mostly dated one. Just one person, but I think she dated another girl and then men. Yeah, I think everybody was having fun. You know, we were at a. We were at a. Having fun time. Hookup culture in your. In your 18, 19 years. You know, when you're just experiencing everything and everything is alive and. Yeah. Oof. Glad I'm not back there again.

[Nick Viall]

Have you and Mark set a date?

[Bella Thorne]

We have not set a date. We are making our first baby. Our movie baby. And yes, once we are done with that and through editing, so everything. Because that's just not a moment you rush and it's not a moment to be. It's already going to be stressful and I'm already quite by the book on things being on time, doing things, being, you know, and so I will be a bridezilla. I know myself. And I will definitely be like, those flowers are not right. I swear to God.

[Nick Viall]

Are you thinking big wedding, small wedding, a lope like you think you're getting to go fairly big?

[Bella Thorne]

Well, when. Because we already have a wedding planner and whatnot, and we have the venues. So I think when we had gone through that process and I saw Mark's guest list, it was, you know, he's. He's quite a bit older than me, so he's made. He's had more time, more friends. We do love.

[Nick Viall]

How. How old is he?

[Bella Thorne]

He is 43.

[Nick Viall]

Weird. Well, how old are you?

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. 27.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh my God.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, we. We beat you guys.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, we beat you. Oh, yes.

[Nick Viall]

By like two. My one year, one and a half years. One years.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, that's awesome. We got to do a double D.

[Natalie Viall]

We gotta do a double Danny.

[Nick Viall]

We can talk about movies we can watch when we were growing up, if. It'll be great.

[Bella Thorne]

Yes, yes. I just.

[Natalie Viall]

We can talk about how, like, young and hot we are. They can talk about their 80, 1980s movies and stuff.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, there are the. The unfortunate thing with the older movies is that even though the movie itself is remastered, their trailers aren't remastered. And so every time you're watching the trailer and I'll have Mark, but. But it's going to be much better than this, babe, because it's not going to be like this, you know, it' side. I'm like, okay. Cuz I can barely see the screen at this point. It's so blurry.

[Nick Viall]

I made her watch Far and Away the other day with Tom Cruz and Nicole Kman. I thought she'd like it. You haven't seen it?

[Natalie Viall]

It was awful.

[Nick Viall]

I'm shocked you didn't like it.

[Natalie Viall]

What was that other movie you made me watch then?

[Bella Thorne]

The.

[Natalie Viall]

And he.

[Bella Thorne]

The dad.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, meet Joe Black. I love that movie. She hates it.

[Natalie Viall]

Meet Joe Black.

[Bella Thorne]

Have you seen Mulholland Drive?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Bella Thorne]

You haven't seen it either. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, that's a fun one. Really takes you on a roller coaster ride. You hated it, Mark. No, I love David lynch and actually I love the same tones he loves. I love the same cameras, the dissolves. There's like, there's so much that I have already naturally so loved. And seeing it in his work, I'm like, oh. Because I'm a big David lynch fan. I love him. And Rip So sad that he just passed away. Away. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like other than movies, are you guys. Do you watch any reality tv? Like what? Oh really?

[Bella Thorne]

I finally got him on the Real Housewives of Potomac.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, see, we haven't got into that one.

[Natalie Viall]

We are like stuck on Salt Lake City.

[Bella Thorne]

Are you caught up? Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Oh my God. Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

What about the next reunion? I mean, the ladies are going at each other.

[Nick Viall]

Where do you stand on Lisa Barlo? Or like, are you a Lisa girl? Are you like a. Like a Brawin with Whitney girl?

[Bella Thorne]

Oh, well, I'm loving the Tequila company. Tequila. Not that I drank tequila, but get it girl. And I think sometimes Lisa doesn't have. Well, we all know she doesn't like to say sorry and that just can. Yeah, I think that that just comes back and. And bites her in. In the Bronwyn situation, I can imagine that that's incredibly difficult. What. What they're going through her family with Gwen and my heart really goes out and I. And I think that any way to deal with that situation besides I love you. I'm sorry, I'm here for you. I'm sorry. I love you. I'm sorry I'm here for you. Any other wording besides that is crazy is I. I think it's just unhelpful. Even if you're trying to be helpful, it's not helpful. You can't. Can not hear these things because it's so it's, it's such a painful, sacred place to be commenting on.

[Nick Viall]

It's like what I love and hate about Housewives all at the same time is like so many of the biggest fights can just be handled exactly how you just describe. Which is like babe, not my best moment. I definitely didn't mean it that way.

[Bella Thorne]

I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly.

[Nick Viall]

And like instead it's like every other excuse in the book. Like well, a blogger told me that you did this and like I would.

[Natalie Viall]

You know, but it would be boring if I know but like it's sorry.

[Bella Thorne]

Love the way she speaks. I love her accent. I think it's really funny.

[Nick Viall]

And yeah, you should ask.

[Bella Thorne]

Sometimes she's just like hi. Done with this.

[Nick Viall]

When Meredith loses her mind, it's the best. Cuz it's like she might pop. It's absolutely.

[Bella Thorne]

And I love Mary. I've gotten, I've become very fond of Mary. I wasn't so sure when and, and with her opening up and, and whatnot. I very much appreciated that as a viewer.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Natalie Viall]

I thought, I thought Angie K. Love ngk.

[Bella Thorne]

Angie K. Love Angie.

[Nick Viall]

I'm, I'm obsessed.

[Natalie Viall]

She's just iconic.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Everything. She's high body count, hair was like, I mean that was the craziest.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Thing I've ever heard in my life.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. They were go. Yeah. I mean when you go back and forth with somebody, I mean I really do feel that the other woman in my personal opinion did start it.

[Natalie Viall]

She did show up 100 so it's like oh. And she would not dish it out.

[Bella Thorne]

If you can't take And Britney will.

[Natalie Viall]

Not admit to anything. She will not like if she would just be like. Yeah I did say that. My bad. But then Brahma had to be like. You did Britney. You did. You said it to me. Brittany.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. Thank you, Bronwyn, for you're saying what happened there.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think Britney deserves a snowflake?

[Bella Thorne]

I, let's see. I'm not sure we really got to know Britney so much this season. I think we got to know more about her relationship.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but she's so she gives the drama.

[Bella Thorne]

You think she keeps the drama. Really?

[Sponsor]

I, I will be very sad if.

[Nick Viall]

If, if she has a lesser role next season.

[Bella Thorne]

Oh yeah. I would be sad too. I, I, I want them to make her like so that we can actually get to know her.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, but what about me are so good at the tables and the like I have an announcement.

[Bella Thorne]

The I have an announcement stuff.

[Natalie Viall]

I finally need to be honest.

[Bella Thorne]

When they does A mean text text. Okay. Lisa and Meredith both didn't have to do any mean text. They both coincidentally left the table right before they.

[Nick Viall]

Lisa pretended, lied about her. Worst thing ever. And then Meredith, being the lawyer that she is, like, faked got up and stormed off.

[Sponsor]

Like, none of this is okay.

[Bella Thorne]

But what about when Britney was like, okay, I have one. And hers was like, so I'd rather.

[Natalie Viall]

Like Bron went over married for tea or something. Mary was like, I agree. You should invite Ronwyn over me.

[Bella Thorne]

And I love Mary and Angie K's relationship that they have developed. I think that that is, like, a very sacred. And I feel like a lot of pain from Mary's. From Mary's past. And to see her immediately go at Angie for feeling like for a moment that this wasn't going to be the friendship she thought. And I love that they too, did work through it. And immediately, you know, the hand holding and the tears.

[Nick Viall]

I think Mary's. So that's. I think Whitney's real. I think Angie K is real. And I think sometimes Lisa, like, great tv. I would very much miss her if for some reason she left. But, like, I would love her to be more.

[Bella Thorne]

You can't. You can be wrong. We're all wrong. We're all human. We all make mistakes. You can say something you shouldn't have said, done something you shouldn't have done. Like, it is literally just us. It's what we're. It's. It's our makeup, you know, it's inherent. So you can say sorry.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

And be done with it. Totally.

[Nick Viall]

They seem to.

[Bella Thorne]

You have to watch. Watch Potomac. You need to watch Potomac.

[Nick Viall]

You're one of many people who have told.

[Natalie Viall]

Is it almost over? Where are we at?

[Bella Thorne]

It's already ended. This is Karen Hooger, the grand dom who got arrested for the dui.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but she's in, like, rehab.

[Bella Thorne]

She's in rehab now.

[Sponsor]

Yeah, but she was found guilty, so.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe we'll pick up next season.

[Bella Thorne]

But wait, are you saying, like, it's done, as in they've canceled the show? No, no, no, no. For the season.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, thank God.

[Bella Thorne]

Have they done Reunion?

[Nick Viall]

Like, you're one of many.

[Bella Thorne]

Seven or eight. So I only have that one. Nine, and then I'm done. I was about to be so upset if you told me that it was actually done done.

[Nick Viall]

You're one of. We need to start watching Poma.

[Bella Thorne]

It might still be here. Done it yet.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Just like, we have a long list of shows we're watching. We're just. We have every Intention of. Of getting.

[Bella Thorne]

What about Temptation Island?

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, my God. We have not. We haven't done that dive. What?

[Bella Thorne]

What? Okay, so they take real relationships that they've been in. Everybody's at some type of crossroads, and these people are together a long time, and they come to this island and they separate them in a house of singles. And then each week, at a luxurious bonfire in the midd. The woods, they do a like 30 seconds that you can see your other partner, what he's or she is doing on that part of the island. You get 30 seconds and they tell you. We're not explaining before this clip or after.

[Natalie Viall]

It's crazy.

[Bella Thorne]

One person, he had a fool on threesome. I think it's in the first season. And he cheated on her. The fool on threesome in the shower. She had to watch it. I was like, this is mental warfare. Like, this is so upset setting that you actually had to physically watch somebody you've been with nine years do that to you. I was like, nine years they were together. This is horrible. And I'm hooked.

[Natalie Viall]

Then give me one more.

[Sponsor]

Because, like, Temptation island season one was.

[Nick Viall]

Like when I was in college. And it's the same home.

[Bella Thorne]

Really? Yeah. Yeah. He's so funny.

[Nick Viall]

And they brought him.

[Sponsor]

And they brought it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

Mark.

[Nick Viall]

What's his name?

[Bella Thorne]

He has a fame. Like, it sounds like somebody. It's like Mark Wahlberg. He's Mark Wahlberg. No, I think it actually is Mark Wahlberg.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it is. His name is Mark.

[Sponsor]

Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

And every time I see it. Mark Wahlberg.

[Natalie Viall]

It's Mark Wahlberg, but not.

[Nick Viall]

No, it's Mark Wahlberg.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, it's Mark Wahlberg.

[Nick Viall]

Why hasn't it, like, what? Yeah, we haven't got.

[Sponsor]

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[Nick Viall]

What's that on cw?

[Bella Thorne]

No, no, it is Frisky. You want to see Frisky? Oh, my God. Have you seen Baddies?

[Natalie Viall]

No.

[Bella Thorne]

Baddies. Baddies. Baddy. Shot o'clock. Come on, guys. Baddies shot.

[Peter Weber]

You just need to come back and.

[Nick Viall]

Recap with us sometimes just to, like, sh.

[Bella Thorne]

I know. I think we should start a. A group text with. With us 4 with mark as well, and that we should constantly be putting. Just like, the only thing that the group text is for is just movies and TV recommendations.

[Natalie Viall]

So is he into reality TV with you? Like, have you gotten him to sit?

[Bella Thorne]

I've gotten him into Potomac.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay.

[Bella Thorne]

He didn't like the other ones. In fact, I think they a little bit drove him crazy. And he would sit throughout two, but once you get to six in a night, I think that he. His brain it can no longer. The baddies though he will watch some episodes. It's a lot of yelling.

[Natalie Viall]

Is it like Bad Girls Club?

[Bella Thorne]

Natalie Nunn took the idea of bad Girls Club and made her own baddies with Zeus network Lemmy Plummer. And good for him making this network pop off. It's just like it's so hard to do this in general and he did it. So good for you. Good for everybody that was involved. I think Ray J actually King Bach, who I'm friends with was also involved in the earlier part of Zeus. And yeah, she went and she. Who, who? She a CEO, She a queen. No, seriously, she is actually a. A full on baddie. I love Tinkerbella when you do watch it. If you go to the Caribbean season, she's introduced and she, she's a baddie. I mean everybody, they are standing on business. And you know, and I love that term. I. I love that term. Like it's kind of, I think another way in my opinion of saying like I'm. I'm a word. I don't personally love that term. Yeah. So I love standing on business. Like if you mean what you say and stand on it, stick to it. Like do not be flip flopping over and around like a fish. It's not cool. So, yeah, I dig that. That's my real obsession. And yesterday I waited up all night and they put the episode on and then you clicked it and the episode was gone. And I stalked every Instagram, I stalked everybody's Instagram to see. And everybody was also losing minds. All the comments were losing their minds. Where is the new episode? How could you do this? I checked today and it's back.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, thank God it's back.

[Nick Viall]

I was told there's a story about three rings or three engagement rings. Is that my.

[Bella Thorne]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Natalie Viall]

What is the one that is about to knock me the out currently on your finger? Which one is that?

[Bella Thorne]

This is the final one.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay. Gave her.

[Bella Thorne]

Yes, yes, this is.

[Nick Viall]

I thought I crushed it.

[Bella Thorne]

You did crush it. Are you kidding? Look at that chunky bad boy.

[Natalie Viall]

Sorry. Yeah, no, cute, beautiful sidekick.

[Nick Viall]

That's beautiful.

[Bella Thorne]

Thank you so much. The original one that he got me, I loved it. But he, I guess, knows me so well that somewhere deep, deep, deep, deep down in there, some part of me was like, this isn't for me. But I loved it. And he was like, no, we're going to change it. And I was like, no, no, don't change it. It's the one you picked like, what do you. And he was like, no, no, I know you don't like it. And I was like, I'm telling you, I love it, baby. He's like, I know. I saw your face. I saw it in your eyes. And we're. We're changing it. And then the next one wasn't right as well, so he just kind of kept having me try rings on for like three weeks and. And yeah, then we got this one.

[Natalie Viall]

What was your face when you saw that one?

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, well, it was. It was a version of this, but all the way to the finger. And I love Tiffany's martini glass. I think that's super beautiful. And I wanted to double Tiffany's martini glass. So this is a double martini glass that sits on that. That the stone sits on. So that's why it's like so high above all my. I love seeing that space, which is so cool. It's such a cool design, right? Yes.

[Natalie Viall]

I can like see you through it. Through it.

[Bella Thorne]

But, you know, it gets a lot more. More dirty because you have so much space.

[Natalie Viall]

So oils like lotions and stuff.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, I never take it off. So, like, I never take it off. Only maybe like, I'm playing a role, obviously. But you sleep in it. Oh, you shower in it. Oh, yeah. And then I popped out a stone and now because. Which I'm getting fixed and when I'm showering, I'm like ripping my face up because it's like, rough, but I refuse still to take it off. I'm that kind of girl who is just like. Even when you know you could make something easier on yourself, but you're too lazy to change it. Like, you're like, no, I'm still going to do this. That's me. Love that about you.

[Nick Viall]

What do you think's next for you and Mark and your future and like, I guess what are your. It sounds so like a interview question. Like you're interviewing for a job, but like, you know, how do you. How do you see life unfolding for you in the next kind of chapter of your life?

[Bella Thorne]

Hopefully happiness. Let's start with that. Always happiness and getting closer, really learning more about each other and whatnot and each other's families. I'm a very family orientated person, so it's very important to me and definitely win the time as well, that we might have a family. I think it's really important to get that a bit more of a stable ground, you could say. And yeah, we're doing our first movie together. We've raised all the finance Together. And we've really. I would say, like, usually, I think a huge testament is working together. I would like to, as I said, my father say a thorn empire one day, and if I'm going to have a partner, and especially for life, I want a partner that I can really work with, because I love working, and it's one of the things that make me the literal happiness in life. And so getting through this process with them and never, not once, knock on wood, wanting to rip each other's hair out, I think has been such a beautiful experience. There's been so many times where, you know, in the movie industry and you sign a contract and then this and then that and then, oh, that falls through and this thing and this thing, and you're. You're on this emotional roller coaster. And I would say over the last year of making this movie, and we shoot it coming up, so I'm talking about making it in the other sense of getting it together. There's been so many tears. There's been a lot of moments where I just was like, you know, why? Why, why, why? And this is so important to me, and it's become so important to him. And that's so beautiful that he's, like, taken that on with me because he didn't have to. You know, he. He's a producer. Yes. But, you know, this is, like, a very specific thing, and I. I think it's just so endearing, and it. And it brought us really close.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I started this show long before Nana and I met, and when I met her, she was a surgical technician, and I never envisioned, like, being able to work with her. But, like, now that we are, it's like. It really is, like.

[Bella Thorne]

It's awesome. Right?

[Nick Viall]

You know, it's like you feel, like, very lucky. You feel more like a team. And, like, you know, like you said, knock on wood, but, like, we hopefully do a good job or of not getting sick of each other, even though we spend all our time together. But, like, yeah, it really helps you feel more connected and to, like, just, you know, she's always the first person I go to if I want to run something by an. An idea by her. And just to know it's like, her. It's like, it's just a great feeling and not. I think very few couples are even very few happy couples and successful couples aren't able to be able to work with their partner. Like. Like you and Mark. And, like, I get to do with Natalie, and it's. I feel very lucky, and I can. I Can hear it when you des that with relation with Mark. It's a very cool thing.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. I do feel very lucky as well. I can't really imagine it any other way except for in the past when it hasn't gone well. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

You know what it's like with other partners. Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. And so that's. That's really beautiful that you guys also get to do that together, because it really. Man, talk about going from having an okay day to an amazing day, and even when you're having a really shitty day, how important it is that your partner is there and can. You know, you're not always able to give 50, 50 in a relationship, and sometimes you can only give 15 and the other person has to make up the rest. And I think that that's so beautiful when that does happen, and I feel like it happens a lot, and especially when working when you're so stressed out and whatnot. And so it's really great that you guys have each other.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. And to, like, go. I mean, you're going through it together, so, like, you're both, you know, it's not like you come home from work and you're like, let me tell you about my day. It's like, no, we experienced that day together. Like, we know how the other person felt or how that went, you know.

[Nick Viall]

And then, like, you just, you know, you both have your strengths and not necessarily weaknesses, but you play off. You play off each other. Just even, you know, Natalie being on the show, like, even in this interview, it's just like, this interview is different because I have my wife here with us. And, like, you know, when we talk about, like, we have a lot of women guests and we talk about some sensitive issues, I always try my best to empathize, but, like, it's a lot easier having my wife here, who is also a woman. And I can understand. And it's like, you know, just, like, just moments like that and really makes you appreciate when you have someone who really, really. That really feels like a partnership at that point, you know? And I'm sure there's been moments with you and Mark where, like, you know, he stepped up where you felt like you needed someone to step up for you and vice versa. And those are always really great, great moments.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

You spent some of your pivotal years with Zendaya. What is your relationship like today with her?

[Bella Thorne]

It's good. Yeah. Yeah. I think we mostly text on birthdays and things like that. When something good happens in the other person's life, we'll both shoot each Other a text. I think the last time I saw her was her birthday party. But yeah. Yeah. We live in different places too. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

I mean, I think. I mean, my, you know, best friend is in Georgia, so. So it's like we don't. But I think just being able to, like, keep. It's like you don't have to talk every day.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah. Pick up where you left off, but.

[Natalie Viall]

You just know everything comes all the way back.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

That's so lovely. I'm so glad.

[Nick Viall]

Also, like Nelly said, it's like these transformative years in anyone's life. Like, there's very few people who can relate to exactly what you went through.

[Sponsor]

Yeah.

[Bella Thorne]

100.

[Nick Viall]

So it's nice to be able to at least keep that bond.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Even if it is, you know, here and there.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Though this has been.

[Bella Thorne]

This has been lovely. Lovely. Yeah. You guys are. Are really, really amazing. I know that we did a little something before, but you are just so incredible and. Yeah. It is so, so great to meet you.

[Natalie Viall]

Thank you. You are a beautiful, brilliant person and I am so glad that we had the honor to get to know you in this way. I have the utmost respect for you. So thank you so much.

[Nick Viall]

Is there anything you wanted to put out? Promote share?

[Natalie Viall]

Thorn Dynasty.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. Thor Dynasty. If you guys are liking it, I have a code as well. Thorn 20. Thorn 20. There we go, 20.

[Sponsor]

I'll put it in the show description too.

[Bella Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, I'm wearing it. If anybody's digging some jewelry and likes jewelry, where can they find it? Come peep it on thorndynasty.com There you go.

[Nick Viall]

Thanks for being so vulnerable and open and honest.

[Bella Thorne]

Thank you for listening. Letting me. That's always when. When the tears come on, it's always a oh, here we go kind of feeling. Oh, God.

[Nick Viall]

Well, thank you again and thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoy this episode. We'll see you back tomorrow.

[Peter Weber]

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