E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files - Episode E892

Release Date: February 27, 2025

In Episode E892 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall, along with Natalie Joy and the Household, delve into a multifaceted discussion covering reality television drama, relationship insights, and candid conversations with guests from popular reality shows. This episode features appearances by Chanel Ion and Lauren from Love is Blind, providing listeners with a blend of humor, heartfelt advice, and behind-the-scenes perspectives.

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1. Reality Recap: Oscars, White Lotus, and Pop Culture

The episode kicks off with a vibrant Reality Recap, where Nick and the hosts discuss recent events in the reality TV landscape.

• Oscar Controversies: The conversation opens with reflections on Will Smith’s infamous moment at the Oscars where he slapped Chris Rock. Chanel Ion expresses skepticism about public forgiveness, noting, “I don't think anyone gives a fuck really” (02:32), highlighting the lingering repercussions, such as Will Smith’s lifetime ban from the Oscars.

  Nick: “I think he learned his lesson and I feel like that's the most that was the most interesting the Oscars has been in I don't know how long.”

• White Lotus Insights: The hosts transition to discussing White Lotus, focusing on character dynamics and plot developments. A significant point of discussion revolves around Chris Pratt’s character and his portrayal of family relationships, particularly his interaction with Patrick Schwarzenegger's character.

  Nick: “He said dick but it was... It was not a prosthetic. It was Patrick Schwarzenegger's real dick.”

• Show Comparisons: Nielsen's Severance is lauded as a standout series, with the hosts debating its merits against other popular shows.

  Dylan: “Severance is the most watched series on Apple TV plus history.”

• Upcoming Shows: Anticipation builds around the show Paradise on Hulu, with initial impressions suggesting it could be a strong contender in the streaming landscape, though it hasn’t yet matched the critical acclaim of Severance.

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2. Special Guest: Lauren from Love is Blind

Lauren joins the show to address previously held debates and discussions surrounding her experience on Love is Blind.

• Addressing Previous Debates:

  Lauren: “I think that they were all so valid... I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking.”

  Lauren reflects on the internal and external conflicts she faced during and after filming, emphasizing the struggle to align her truth with the narrative portrayed on the show.

• Relationship Dynamics and Editing:

  The hosts probe into Lauren’s relationship with her ex-fiancé Dave, exploring how editing influenced public perception.

  Lauren: “I never in a million years thought that this would be part of the story at all.”

  Lauren discusses moments where she felt her side of the story was misrepresented, leading to frustration over the lack of direct communication with key individuals involved.

• Impact of Reality TV:

  The conversation turns to the broader impact of being on reality TV, with Lauren expressing how airing personal aspects of her relationship affected her emotionally.

  Lauren: “I felt like my communication is not getting through, and I feel like a... I haven't really felt that before.”

  Lauren shares her desire for a more authentic portrayal and the challenges of navigating personal narratives within the constraints of reality television editing.

• Future Prospects:

  The discussion concludes with hopeful remarks about future episodes providing more clarity and resolution to her story.

  Lauren: “But I do think they're doing a good job of telling our story in the way that it felt in the moment.”

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3. Special Guest: Chanel Ion on Traitors and Personal Struggles

Chanel Ion brings a unique perspective from her time on Traitors, intertwining her personal history with the dramatic elements of the show.

• Cultural Background and Personal History:

  Chanel shares her upbringing in Kenya, discussing the challenges of growing up in an abusive household and the impact of cultural practices.

  Chanel Ion: “So when I was five years old, I was circumcised... It's called female genital mutilation.”

  She delves into the emotional and physical repercussions of such practices, advocating for awareness and change.

• Experience on Traitors:

  Chanel recounts her experiences on Traitors, highlighting interactions with fellow cast members and the psychological tactics employed within the game.

  Chanel Ion: “I showed them my boobs... which is crazy because I'm married, but I have very good boobs.”

  Her anecdotes reveal the intense pressure and strategic maneuvers inherent in competitive reality TV environments.

• Advocacy and Awareness:

  Transitioning from personal stories to advocacy, Chanel discusses her efforts to raise awareness about female genital mutilation through her makeup line, "I am Beauty."

  Chanel Ion: “I'm talking about it, I really especially six countries bringing it back... It's breaking my heart.”

  She emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and education in combating harmful cultural practices.

• Friendships and Support Systems:

  Chanel reflects on the relationships formed during her time on Traitors, particularly her bond with Wells and other cast members.

  Chanel Ion: “Wells was like my friend in the house... I was so happy to have met you.”

  Her interactions underscore the complexities of maintaining friendships amidst the competitive and often isolating nature of reality TV.

• Future Endeavors:

  Concluding her segment, Chanel expresses interest in continuing her presence in reality television and leveraging her platform for social change.

  Chanel Ion: “I want girls to be safe like that... That's my priority in life.”

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4. Conclusion and Takeaways

The episode wraps up with reflections on the featured discussions, emphasizing the intersection of reality television and real-life issues. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with upcoming episodes for more in-depth analyses and personal stories from reality TV stars.

Nick: “If you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode everyone's talking about, it's an absolute doozy. You will not regret it.”

Listeners are left with a blend of entertainment and meaningful insights, underscoring the show's commitment to exploring both the glamorous and challenging aspects of love, life, and reality television.

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Notable Quotes

• Chanel Ion on Will Smith's Ban:

  “I don't think anyone gives a fuck really. He still has a lifetime ban from the Oscars which is kind of...” (02:32)

• Lauren on Reality TV Editing:

  “I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking... put me in the room with them.” (28:36)

• Chanel Ion on Female Genital Mutilation:

  “It's like child trafficking to me, it's really worse and people don't know about it...” (84:44)

• Nick on Relationship Dynamics:

  “Regardless of what the truth is, Dave demonstrated, you know, basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions...” (53:01)

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This episode of The Viall Files adeptly balances light-hearted discussions on pop culture with profound personal narratives, offering listeners a comprehensive look into the lives of reality TV personalities and the real issues they navigate behind the scenes.

Transcript

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[Chanel Ion]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another jam packed episode of the VI Files Reality Recap edition. I am your host Nick and I could not be more excited about this episode. Let' like preview exactly what we got going on first shortly in a few minutes. Have Lauren from Love is Blind this season to basically help us clear up our our great debate and who did.

[Natalie]

She did listen to our debate.

[Nick]

She did.

[Natalie]

She does have a take on our debate.

[Wells]

She hates Nick.

[Natalie]

Yeah, no, she does say she loves.

[Nick]

Me anyway so that is that is coming up shortly. Lots of good information from Lauren and yeah excited for you guys to hear that. Then we have the very iconic Chanel ion.

[Natalie]

I can't wait to ask her. Is it I are recalling her ion.

[Nick]

Is it Chanel? I don't know. She obviously shortly recently on her way here, literally on her way here, she was on a flight with the one and only Will Smith posted a picture with him. As she often does. She gave her input and opinion on Mr. Smith himself. So very excited to talk to her about all things Will Smith.

[Natalie]

Do you think he's been forgiven for slapping Chris Rock or no in general by the public.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. I don't think anyone gives a fuck really. He still is a ban from the like he has a lifetime ban from the Oscars which is kind of.

[Natalie]

Well, I mean as he should like not really. He did assault someone.

[Wells]

One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.

[Natalie]

Oh, he said he was sorry. Well, thank God he said he was sorry.

[Nick]

Yeah, he's slap. I mean listen, it's not okay but.

[Wells]

Like sometimes a comedian needs to get slapped.

[Nick]

I don't think if you punch someone.

[Natalie]

You okay you to get him a.

[Nick]

Lifetime ban from things things.

[Natalie]

You don't think that the the Oscar's like yeah sure Will Smith, we can trust you to come back and not assault any of our presenters for on back.

[Nick]

I think he learned his lesson and I feel like that's the most that was the most interesting the Oscars has been in I don't know how long.

[Wells]

I think the Oscars would do much better in ratings if it was also WWE SmackDown for sure. Like I want to see Timothy Chalamet go up against winner.

[Nick]

The winner gets to slap all the other people while being like I just want to like I want to shout out to all my nominees.

[Wells]

I want Club Shalom to throw hands in the audience.

[Nick]

Is he nominated for anything Timothy?

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, everything.

[Wells]

Oh Club Chalamet has been for what he he can sing as good as.

[Nick]

Bob Dylan which I guess anytime I think we need a ban biopics as part is like Oscar nomination.

[Lauren]

I agree.

[Natalie]

Did you see that people think Millie Bobby Brown is going to be Britney Spears in her biopic because she posted.

[Dylan]

One pic of her blonde hair with blonde hair.

[Wells]

No for me dog.

[Natalie]

I don't think they can do someone from England to play British. Like I'm sure she has a great little southern but like no, come on.

[Nick]

We just talked about last on Tuesday.

[Wells]

How brilliantly that is true is playing Thomas.

[Rob]

It's playing Thomas Raven.

[Nick]

Speaking of White Lotus though Chris Pratt is super into his brother in law's.

[Natalie]

They're not blood so they're not blood.

[Wells]

Sometimes when people say things he didn't say.

[Nick]

He said dick.

[Rob]

For some reason that word will always be jarring to me.

[Nick]

He said he said that dick but it was.

[Natalie]

It wasn't a prosthetic. It was Patrick Schwarzenegger's real dick.

[Nick]

Good for him.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He said I know when Abby champion his fiance.

[Nick]

So I was it was it big.

[Natalie]

That sounds it definitely was like I.

[Nick]

Mean I. I saw it, I watched the episode, I read it, and, like, pause and be like, oh, wow.

[Wells]

I was more focused on it while.

[Natalie]

You were at work.

[Wells]

I was more focused on, like, the brother being kind of into it, and I don't know what's going on with these siblings.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Was he kind of into it?

[Natalie]

He was definitely into it.

[Wells]

He was having confusion.

[Rob]

It was a little ass shot.

[Natalie]

Mike White.

[Nick]

I'm over this whole, like, ancestral.

[Wells]

Mike White has said that this family. Well, in the. After the, like, inside the episode thing, Parker Posey was saying that Mike White had told her that this family was monkeys. It's representative monkeys, and, like, physical aggression and stuff like that, which there's been a lot of monkeys in pop culture recently.

[Rob]

Did Mike White watch Chimp Crazy?

[Wells]

I need to know if Mike White watched Chimp Crazy.

[Natalie]

Chimp Crazy. I loved that.

[Dylan]

Severance is the most watched series on Apple TV plus history.

[Nick]

It might be one of the best shows ever created, honestly.

[Natalie]

No.

[Lauren]

No.

[Wells]

Mysterious and important.

[Natalie]

No. Have y'all started watching paradise on Hulu?

[Rob]

No, but I've heard about it.

[Nick]

We watched it.

[Natalie]

We watched the first episode last night.

[Rob]

Huh.

[Natalie]

I think it's gonna be, like, one of the best. I think it's gonna.

[Nick]

I think, first of all, it's not gonna be one of the best. It's gonna be fun and entertaining and, like, I mean, who knows? I guess it could be. I mean, James Marsden is in it. But, like, compared to Severance in the mind, that that is. And, like.

[Natalie]

But you don't think this is also a mind? No, I think of how it's like.

[Nick]

I mean, spoiler alert. It's spoiled in the first episode. Like, it's. It's. It's about, like, a potential, like, asteroid or like a. The world ending and, like, somehow, you know, so there's so much sun, is.

[Natalie]

Like a big light that's, like, pointing down and it's everything.

[Dylan]

It's giving embersity.

[Nick]

Did you know there's a 3% chance that an asteroid is going to hit the Earth in, like, less than three years? And that used to be, like, a 1% chance, and now not anymore. It changed.

[Chanel Ion]

I heard that it changed.

[Nick]

Is the asteroid kind of hit or not?

[Wells]

I don't think we'll find out until it does.

[Dylan]

I don't know about this asteroid.

[Chanel Ion]

It says that it's no longer going to be hitting Earth.

[Rob]

At least that's what my stepfather told me.

[Chanel Ion]

Maybe he was just trying to make me calm down.

[Wells]

I don't know if an asteroid hits we don't have to pay.

[Nick]

There's only 3%. So like a 1 in 40 chance or some. 48.

[Dylan]

CBS News Asteroid 2024 no longer poses significant threat to Earth in 2032. Oh, thank God, girl, that wasn't the next couple of years.

[Natalie]

Can we stop this conversation? Flirting with everybody?

[Wells]

Yeah. I really want you guys opinion on this. Kate Hudson has admitted that she flirts with everybody, but her fiance is okay with it. I'm the biggest flirt on the planet, so I think anybody who's ever been with me is very aware. I flirt with everybody. Girls, boys. Thank God Danny is my partner, he can handle this. I met the right guy.

[Nick]

I mean, if she met the right guy, then she met the right guy. I, I think it's definitely a, a unique thing for them.

[Natalie]

I think it's interesting conversation because I think like me being from the south, it's very like, obviously people take being nice as flirting all the time. If I acted the same way I act in the south, here in la, like it would be scary because men would be like, you know, in the south you go to like the grocery store and you're talking to like the bagger and you're like, oh my God, like, I love that shirt. You look handsome today. Yes, sir. Like, oh, yes sir. And I was there. Yes. You know, you have like a conversation, a little banter with someone, you make them laugh. If that happened in L. A, they would like follow you to your car.

[Wells]

Yeah, sure.

[Nick]

It's.

[Wells]

Unless Trader Joe.

[Nick]

I also think it's incredibly situational. Like if you were doing that with some random person, whatever. If you were doing that with someone who like was six two, had a beard, a couple pats, more flannel, like maybe not, you know, like.

[Natalie]

And I think, I think the difference is like Kate Hudson being like, I'm. She's not trying to like take these people home or like fudge them or kiss them or like she's just like. I think what Kate Hudson is saying is like, she, she's nice and her way of nice is like taken as flirty.

[Nick]

Okay, question though, Is, is Kate Hudson in any way responsible, regardless of what she thinks is appropriate? Like, let's say it's a, a married person, someone in a relationship, man, woman, doesn't really matter, you know, should she be mindful of like how her quote unquote flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with?

[Natalie]

Well, I'm sure she's who she is and I'm sure she's also flirting with their wife, girlfriend, partner as well.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, I'm sure she's being nice to everybody.

[Wells]

That's such a power move. You get mad that someone's flirting with her boyfriend, and then they start flirting with you too.

[Nick]

And there's this huge difference. And I know they're right. A lot of people, like, will perceive niceness is flirting, you know, and it's definitely not flirting, but there's also flirting. That's straight up flirting.

[Natalie]

No, totally.

[Wells]

But is flirting, like, what's the line with, like, flirting as far as, like, unfaithfulness?

[Natalie]

I think if you. If you have intentions of, like, wanting doing something, like, if your intention is not. Is like, anything more than just being nice.

[Nick]

If your intention is to receive some type of validation from this person, then it's completely inappropriate. If you're not thinking you're flirting, then it's not.

[Wells]

But if you're just, like, you're the kind of person that, like, everyone, you just, like, naturally, like, charming, charismatic and flirty and give people that sort of attention.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Wells]

But a lot of times that's just who you are.

[Nick]

Sure. But flirts. And I've. I've always been like, a flirt. There's an element of, like, you want it back. You know, there's a banter.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, and when I was just being nice, you know, if I might say, oh, you look great today, like, it's a beautiful dress or that's a cool. I don't think. I don't. I don't say that's flirting. I'm just, like, commenting on the dress. If I say, oh, that. That looks sexy on you.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Completely different. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Kate Hudson is saying someone is looking sexy in the grocery store. Like, maybe I want to be in that grocery store. I would like to be called sexy like Hudson.

[Nick]

Well, Michaela Matthews from Mormon Wives is clapping back because. Did we find out what the. What the critics were saying?

[Wells]

Yeah. So basically she had posted on Instagram sharing when, like, announcing that she was pregnant, and she was saying that she's, like, she felt like this baby was, like, healing her.

[Nick]

And she. She is the one who is suffering from this kind of skin condition that she's been battling for years. Hasn't really been able to, like, get under control.

[Dylan]

Yes.

[Nick]

It's been really difficult for her.

[Dylan]

She calls it a chronic illness.

[Wells]

A chronic illness. Yes. And certain comments, not that, like, there were many comments on the post. Some of them were, like, very, very supportive. Were some that, like, one of them said, probably just needs more money on social media. These YouTubers make a lot of money showing their pregnancies cloud babies, and so she clapped back to them for whatever reason. People were so weird when I said that I hope this baby heals me, but I mean it when I say this baby has already brought me so much healing, both physically and mentally. I hated every day being in my body and getting pregnant. I've come to appreciate my body and how hard it has worked the last couple of years to fight all the rashes, all the illness, and now to create life and bring our little baby into the world.

[Nick]

As someone who's at a front row seat to my mom having a handful of pregnancies and just, like, being lucky enough to be around women who have been pregnant, like, a pregnancy can be incredibly healing and therapeutic, both physically and mentally. And, like, I think it's just so fudgeing weird that someone would, like, have a dis to criticize that. Especially someone who really, truly has been struggling with her chronic illness that she's been struggling with. And also, like, there's a huge difference between people who, like, talk about their family and share their experiences if they're online versus, like, people who, you know, use their kid as props and clearly are doing, like, skits with their kids.

[Natalie]

If you're teaching your kid a TikTok dance or a trend on TikTok, like, that's exploiting your children, having your children be a part of your social media and just, like, showing your daily life of, like, your children.

[Nick]

Is this a privacy choice?

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's, you know, but I think this is, like, clearly she has talked about how she has hated her body. Her body, like, feels like it's betraying her or whatever, Whatever. And so to now be pregnant, it is a sense of, like, wait, I do love my body. Like, it's growing a baby, like, and to, like, be able to have appreciation for her body and love her body again is, like, totally healing. I totally see what she's talking about. I mean, people talk about all the time, like, you know, me, myself having childhood trauma and all this stuff and, like, trauma of just, like, how I was parented and stuff like that. It's like having river is like, healing my inner child because I get to parent her the way that, like, I wasn't, and I get to give her the childhood that, like, I didn't have or whatever, you know?

[Rob]

Natalie, I completely agree with you.

[Chanel Ion]

Like, I have definitely, like, struggled with certain things in my life and, like, being pregnant and like, going through that.

[Rob]

Whole thing, like, can be incredibly healing. For multiple reasons, emotionally, physically.

[Chanel Ion]

And I just feel like, just in general, people need to, like, mind their own business when it comes to stuff like that.

[Nick]

It's tough because, you know, the Internet is full of them. Well, anyways, we get sending love to Mikayla because obviously what she's going through is that, you know, dealing with a chronic skin problem is for anyone, difficult, and it sucks. So sending her all the love and good health to her and her child.

[Dylan]

Well, breaking news. Karen Huger's sentence finally came out. So if you remember, Nick, this is the grande dame from Potomac who this whole season she was like, the truth will prevail. The truth will prevail. Leave it up to the courts.

[Nick]

And she's the one who referred her herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine. Yes.

[Dylan]

And the truth. Yes. And the truth has been prevailed now. So she is sentenced to two years in prison with one year suspension. The decision means Karen will be behind bars for 12 months. Prosecutors, citing Karen's three previous DUIs, originally asked the judge for two years in prison with six months suspended for the reality star's latest arrest. And this is amidst her also saying, like, her lawyers tried to take the angle of her parents. Both passed away years previous. It was hard. So this is after, like, Karen's team also try to, like, lighten the load with, like, her going to rehab and them claiming that she lost her parents in the past year and that was hard for her and that kind of spiraled her into this, like, cycle. But yeah, she's going two years in prison, so adding another three years.

[Nick]

How many Bravos one year celebrities have gone to prison?

[Dylan]

Many. Yeah.

[Wells]

Jen Shaw.

[Nick]

Jen Shaw.

[Dylan]

Teresa Giudice, Monica Garcia. Technically, there's a lot that have been arrested.

[Nick]

So it's like, I'm prison. I don't mean arrested.

[Dylan]

I saw a list the other day and it's a long list, but, like, it just, it depends on what you're considering. Prison. So, like with this one, she was sentenced to prison. Well, for her, she was sentenced to two years in prison, but it's one year suspension. So it's like, like fully incarcerated for.

[Nick]

Any period of time.

[Wells]

Karen Huger will be fully incarcerated for one year. The other year, it's just a suspension.

[Nick]

So Theresa, it's just the two.

[Rob]

Just the two that have served time in prison.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, Jen shot Theresa and now Karen. So three.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That's wild.

[Natalie]

Well, Wes Wilson did support kind of our claims about Lindsey Hubbard not really having a choice about next summer. Wes Wilson thinks there's no way Lindsay Hubbard will be back for Summer House Season 10. He responded to the question by saying, there's no way. I don't know. Unless they bring the baby, I don't think I can babysit. I don't know how that works.

[Nick]

Do you think this is more like a Wes Wilson opinion, or do you feel like he has inside information?

[Natalie]

I think this is definitely a Wes Wilson opinion.

[Wells]

Y. I think he always is giving a Wes Wilson.

[Nick]

He's giving.

[Rob]

Nobody expected you to babysit.

[Natalie]

I don't think anyone gives Wes Wilson insider information, but I do think that it's like. I mean, I had the same thought of, like, how the hell is she gonna make this work?

[Wells]

Yeah. Who in Summerhouse do you think you would trust to babysit Lindsay's baby?

[Natalie]

Sierra. She's a nurse.

[Nick]

Yeah. Sierra would be the.

[Dylan]

I think Amanda.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, yeah. She's good with dogs.

[Nick]

She could if she had to.

[Wells]

Is Kyle there? Because I don't know if his DJ set is gonna, like, if he can DJ a lullaby. Yeah.

[Nick]

Entire cast is kind of giving ew. Baby.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Sierra's a nurse, so Sierra takes care of people, and I would trust her to take care of my baby.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Sierra could crush it.

[Wells]

Sierra would crush it. Paige would just be in bed on her phone as Sierra is babysitting.

[Nick]

I think I feel like Paige would kind of be like, using a wooden spoon to, like, kind of nudge the baby if she had to push it.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Paige is hiring the nanny to watch the baby.

[Wells]

Yes.

[Nick]

There you go.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Wells]

Paige will put up funds.

[Rob]

This thing has been crying. You should do something about it.

[Wells]

Carl is like, I mentally and physically cannot do this.

[Dylan]

Well, he's not in the room. It's Lindsay's baby.

[Wells]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dylan]

Real Housewives of Orange county is filming. Have you been seeing that, like, people are, like, taking photos of, like, the cast and stuff?

[Nick]

Well, who cares? Sorry. Let's go a little Beverly Hills before Chanel gets in.

[Dylan]

Well, who does care Is the friends of a lot of the OC cast members who are also on Beverly Hills.

[Wells]

Speaker.

[Nick]

Teresin, your girl was really on one last night.

[Dylan]

She was. But honestly, I'm careful.

[Natalie]

You still supported it. Really?

[Dylan]

I think if you're gonna provoke her, then you have to be ready to have someone go low with you.

[Nick]

Here's a question I have for all you. Who is the most never wrong person in the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives?

[Rob]

Every single one as of now. Yeah, like, the most, hands down.

[Nick]

No, no, no.

[Rob]

Oh.

[Nick]

What I mean by who's the most, like, in their. In this person's opinion, the most, like, never wrong.

[Chanel Ion]

Sutton.

[Nick]

She has stiff competition.

[Dylan]

Erika Jayne screamed I'm a Erika.

[Nick]

Jane defended her earrings still to this day, and she could not have been more wrong about that. Kyle. You know, every other episode, she's kind of, like, talking out of one side and doing another.

[Dylan]

I think they all have their moments.

[Natalie]

And they have to all have their moments, or else it is boring television.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. But they really like this particular cast, I feel like, more than any other cast is, like, really stick their heels in the.

[Wells]

I mean, rarely do you get a housewife that is, like, you know what? I was wrong.

[Natalie]

It does really bother me that the, like, the women don't speak up in moments. I feel like it would make for such better television if, like, at that table, when Sutton is saying, like, yeah, our wallets don't match, and, like, this and that, and all the women are kind of like, oh, oh. But no one wants to speak up and say anything. And kind of like, you know, it's like you stand up for, like, what's right and what's wrong, and, like, none of these women have anything to say.

[Nick]

You're right. They sit in silence and they wait for their itms a little bit. Yeah.

[Natalie]

All Erica did was, you think you're bigger than her.

[Rob]

You think you have more money. It's like asking these questions.

[Wells]

Yeah, it is kind of goading, but.

[Rob]

It'S like, even then, where it's like, you all got silent and had, like, a sigh that happened unanimously across the table, just like, okay, that was just said. And then you have Garcelle somehow still kind of come back to. To defend Sutton, and I'm like, just let these two women work it out if that's what you guys are doing. But defending somebody in this situation. Fool's errand.

[Nick]

Sutton seemed drunk to begin with.

[Dylan]

Well, can we start here? Dorit was 100% provoking Sutton. Any chance she got. She ordered a water, and she said. Was that because of our conversation?

[Natalie]

100%, yeah.

[Dylan]

She makes.

[Wells]

And then she came to fight and.

[Chanel Ion]

Dorit, which they both did.

[Dylan]

She perpetuates this narrative consistently that she's a drunk. And, like, you even have, like, Faye being like, well, I have the same drinking habits.

[Wells]

The morally corrupt fae.

[Nick]

I mean, except that, like, Sutton recently did an interview, but, like, every housewife.

[Dylan]

Has done that interview where they say their drink order. Like, we know Dorit's carcass out. We know her order by hand.

[Nick]

There's a difference between order and, like, sudden routine. And. And Sutton. And I quote, she did an interview, and she. And this is a response. I have a drinking regimen that I do. Sutton revealed at around 10am I think that's okay for your first cocktail of the day. And then I try to. It's just consistency through the day that I'm nicer. So she starts every day at 10am and then consistently drinks all day. How has that not a. A in a drinking problem?

[Dylan]

But I think the context is that a lot of housewives have similar drinking problems. Well, I'm not saying they have problems. I'm saying Dorit is perpetuating the narrative that it is a problem when it might not be a problem, but, like, everybody's drinking that way. Even Marisol says she has a screwdriver every time she doesn't drink water, she drinks vodka. So it's like, you know, like, a lot of them are. But a lot of them are doing it. But it's Dorit saying, you, specifically Sutton, are drunk. And then it's even Kyle being like, she has this context of her dad having abuse issues. And, like, that's why it is triggering. But no one's acknowledging that. Yeah, I mean, they're just saying she's overreacting.

[Nick]

She does seem to have kind of a problem, and it's obviously triggering for her because, like, I don't know. I don't know many people who are.

[Chanel Ion]

Are.

[Nick]

Who are heavy drinkers who appreciate anyone else saying anything. So I don't know. I thought Dorit was the savage, and I. I really love. And. And. And when. If you go as low as she did, like, that whole line about throwing out, like, basically, you know, Dorit's going through a divorce right now. Clearly, she is not of the. Has the. Some of her peers and throwing that in her face, especially that whole episode opened up with, again, Sutton. You know, we now know that Sutton gets any. What, around what, three. How many hundred thousand after taxes a month? And she's like. And obviously maybe joking with Jennifer Tilly, talking about, like, she's looking for a billionaire. Like, as if, like, it's never enough. But, like, that line, basically just that, like, she marries for money, and then like, that and, you know, knowing that's how she accumulated her wealth. And then she's throwing that in Dorit's face as if, like, that was some sort of accomplishment or that she's better than Dorit or that Dorit doesn't have a place to, like, speak up or have an opinion in front of Sutton because She's not as, like, her ex husband isn't as rich as her ex husband. I mean, it's.

[Dylan]

I didn't think it was going low, that comment, but also I think the context of like, she is consistently poking Sutton that I'm like, you know what? If you're going to poke the bear, the bear is going to like, bark back, you know, so it's like, but who started.

[Nick]

I mean, I. It's gone back so far. But can anyone really say who started it at this point? I mean, go back to the OG.

[Dylan]

Days when Sutton is like, let the mouse go to read. Like, Dorit's always been like, going after Sutton, I think, out of, like, love trying to, like, understand her. But it's like, Sutton's telling you, stop poking me.

[Rob]

Also I was going to say too, is that I'm like, I think a lot of people give a little too much credit where, like, I love Dorit, but it's like, I don't think Dorit is like super malicious or like, I just think that she says things and maybe doesn't think about how it's going to affect somebody or like, the question of, like, the context. She just says things. So I'm like, I understand that she can be offensive, but even then she sat there across from Sutton and apologized, being like, I am so sorry. I would love to understand, but you're not even going to take that apology. And what did Sutton do? Not take the apology?

[Dylan]

Was that genuine, though? I don't think she was going to take the apology, but, like, her apology was in general.

[Nick]

I loved what she was like, okay, let's try.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Wells]

I thought it was so sorry.

[Nick]

That's fucking awesome.

[Dylan]

If someone did that to you, you would be like, girl, no, of course.

[Nick]

Like, listen, they clearly are not. You know, I'm not saying that Dorit was like, pleasant and nice and like, the bigger person here. She wasn't at all. I just kind of love the way she fought a little bit better than Sutton. And I will say that, like, going back to last season, other than Kyle and now Bose, like this rest of this group, they're fucking mean to Dorit. They fucking bully her, mock her and talk behind her back and they're just fucking cruel to her. And if you're Dorit and you're just like, fuck these people, they're constantly minimizing me and condescending me and talking down to me, it is hard for me to see that, like, Sutton and Garcelle.

[Dylan]

And Kyle, technically in this scenario, Kyle.

[Nick]

Sometimes are the ones being picked on in this group because it just. Dorit finally has an ally in bows.

[Dylan]

You know what's interesting I thought about this is before Sutton and Garcelle and Krystal were like, the odd ones out, it was the Fox 4, which was Lisa, Rinna, Erika Jayne, Kyle Richards, and Dorit. But now that we lost Lisa, Erica had her rough point. It's like, they used to be the mean girls, the popular girls of Beverly Hills, according to audience members. Now that that's broken up, it's like we see Garcelle and Sutton as the ones that are picking on other people. But it's like, no, it's just that. That the ones that were picking on others now no longer have the power.

[Nick]

You know, I'm a little confused by this ongoing Mo and Kyle separation. Like, are we on the.

[Wells]

I think they're not telling us something.

[Nick]

I'm just like, get divorced at this point or not. I don't fucking care. But, like, I thought this was last year's storyline.

[Dylan]

I don't know, honestly. Yeah, exactly what you just said.

[Rob]

I genuinely don't know.

[Nick]

I was like. I. Honestly. The scene came up and I was like, wait, did. Did Peacock all of a sudden start playing? Laughs? I was like, you know, sometimes I put on the wrong episode or something. I was like, wait, what's going on?

[Rob]

They've been separated for a while, but it's like, the weird thing is that it's not so much even about the fact that Mauricio's seeing other people. It's like the scandal is that he called paparazzi on himself at an airport, which is interesting.

[Wells]

Mo planted the story to get back at Kyle for the War of Roses.

[Rob]

They're on good terms, are they?

[Wells]

According to Kyle and Mo? Not according to.

[Rob]

Was Mauricio not hugging Kyle from crying, like, two episodes ago?

[Nick]

I'll say one thing about Mo and Kyle. They really seem like despite whatever they're going through, they're. They're not vindictive with each other. It doesn't feel that way.

[Wells]

I don't think they are.

[Nick]

Oh, well. Up next. She's here. Chanel Ion is about to join us.

[Natalie]

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[Lauren]

Thanks for having me.

[Nick]

Well, we're excited to have you. We? I I don't know. I don't know if you listen to the show, if you've been keeping up with commentary, but we had a great debate on Tuesday about your and Dave's situation. But we're so thankful and so glad that you're with us today because obviously a lot of our discussion debate was based off of, like, things we didn't know and just kind of of, you know, what we watched and things like that. So just. Did you listen to that conversation?

[Lauren]

I did, yeah. I'm a big fan of you guys. I've been listening to you guys for a while. And then I was listening yesterday as I was getting ready, and I was like, screaming at my phone, hearing Natalie, like, defend me, and I was like, that is my girl.

[Natalie]

Thank you. You are my girl.

[Lauren]

I feel it.

[Nick]

So like me, right? Obviously.

[Chanel Ion]

Correct.

[Lauren]

I mean, your words, not mine.

[Nick]

Correct. Well, thank you for saying it. Thank you for listening. But yeah, I mean, what, what were your thoughts and feelings about our discussion?

[Lauren]

Yeah, I mean, I think that they were all so valid. And I was thinking about how I'm sure there are so many couples and people out there having this exact conversation and, like seeing these perspectives. And honestly, I remember thinking those same perspectives at the time too, when we were going through it. Like, I was having such a hard time knowing my truth and then like, seeing how it was playing out. And I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking. And you, like, see that a little bit where I'm like, this is fair. Like, that would Suck to get your phone back and have people say things about your new fiance. And then you have to figure out who's right and who's wrong and what's going on. And that wasn't even my argument about it. My argument was like, put me in the room with them. Like, yeah, they're having all of these conversations that I'm not part of and they have these, like, pieces of evidence that are not true. Just like, let me speak to them. And that wasn't happening. So that was where most of my frustration was coming from. And I feel that now watching it back.

[Natalie]

I know the frustration also of just knowing something is true, but there's just no way for you to prove anything. So you're just like, there's nothing for me to do but, like, that's just not true. Like him being so hell bent on you, like, spending the night with him before you left. And it was like, your girlfriends were even like, no, she was with us. And he's just like, I don't know what to believe. I was screaming at the tv, what.

[Nick]

What is the truth or your truth? I mean, let's just say what. What is the truth as you see it. It, so to speak.

[Lauren]

Yeah, well. And you'll, like, see this play out a little bit more. But I was not with him the weekend before I left. I saw him like a week before. It really was a very, like, to the. How do I say this? It was a friends with benefits situation. It started where we were like, maybe there could be a romantic connection there, but then casting conversations are happening for months and, like, he knew that I was having that. And so he was like, we can keep things casual. It honestly felt like best of both worlds for both of us at the time because, like, he was dating other people too. He was going on dates. I remember seeing his picture on, like, are we dating the same guy? People were setting up dates with him, so we were both. I felt like things were very clear that we were not romantically interested in each other.

[Nick]

So you were you two having conversations about you potentially going on this show while you guys were hanging out? Occasionally, yeah, we didn't talk about it.

[Lauren]

A ton, mainly because, like, we weren't really sitting there having a lot of conversations, but it definitely came up.

[Nick]

Were you ever, like, wondering if, like, this was, like, a smart decision, so to speak, based off of the fact that you might go on the show? And I, you know, obviously, like, you have every right to do whatever the fuck you want outside of the show. I just like going on, you know, I'm sure you are a fan, like you said, a fan of the show. You've watched the show. I'm sure you've seen drama and fights about past actions, you know, and. And what could come up. I imagine when you were going through the casting process, like most people, it's kind of like, first you don't even think you're gonna get casted, and then if you get casted, you're thinking, probably show up, nothing will happen. You're certainly not expecting to make a connection. You're certainly not expecting to get engaged. So I. I get all that. Did it ever cross your mind that, like, oh, maybe like, this. This is a. A little messy choice given, like, what you were. Pot. Yes. To if given the opportunity.

[Lauren]

Yes and no. I remember thinking with this guy, like, okay, I'm having these conversations to potentially go on a show where I could get married. Do I like this guy enough to, like. Because here is this connection that I have in one way. Do I like this guy enough to say the show. I'm going to pursue things with her, with him? I remember being like, no, I don't like him enough to do that, to, like, make that sacrifice and not go on this experience. And in terms of. Again, we had come off of. I think when we were filming, we were watching the season with Trevor and his girlfriend. And I remember I was, like, kind of freaking out in the moment and being like, oh, my God, is this how the world is going to see me now that this is all playing out? But again, at the time, I'm basing my perspective on what my narrative was and, like, my truth with this guy. And so I just never in a million years thought that this would be part of the story at all.

[Nick]

Gotcha. What would you have loved to see Dave do differently in that moment?

[Lauren]

Just letting me be part of the conversation with his friends that were chirping in his ear about it. I just wanted to talk to them, wanted to compare stories.

[Nick]

Do you know why they refused? Was it just, like, not wanting to. Getting involved in the show or being on camera, or do you get any inkling as to why they were?

[Natalie]

Or was it Dave being, like, not allowing my friends.

[Lauren]

I truly think that his friends and his sister were basing the decisions on their involvement or not on what Dave was telling them.

[Nick]

You think David's in the driver's seat here? I do. Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Interesting.

[Natalie]

Have you seen. I mean, I'm sure you have, but your ex is not even ex. What are we calling him your friend. Your ex friend.

[Lauren]

I'll be really nice.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Your ex friends. Photoshop pictures of him in the Love is Blind cast.

[Nick]

Like, that was very embarrassing for him.

[Lauren]

It was embarrassing. And it also, like, I remember being like, this really proves my point. Like, you are helping me with this story here. Yeah, I don't. I was like, I rest my case.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, you look crazy. Why are you. You're not on this show. Why are you trying to act like you are on this show? Like, that does scream a little delusional to me. So it would be hard for me. And obviously, I guess, what, Dave didn't see any of this stuff during filming or anything like that. I mean, I know your friends were kind of saying to him, like, he was DMing us or texting us, saying, like, should we blow up this wedding? Like, love is blind, blah, blah, whatever. Which would scream to me, like, maybe this guy isn't as trustworthy as some people think.

[Nick]

He knows Dave's people, they have, like, a mutual friend.

[Lauren]

They're in Minnesota. They have, like, a mutual friend. So they knew of each other.

[Nick]

I'm from Milwaukee. I get it.

[Lauren]

As you're gathering. Yeah, exactly.

[Nick]

Wow. Okay, that's wild. When the next batch comes out, we'll. We'll get some resolution on whatever happens between the two of you guys.

[Lauren]

Between Dave and I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll see that kind of continue to play out.

[Natalie]

Did you feel in that moment that he was just trying to find a way out of the marriage?

[Lauren]

I do. Like, I. Yes, that definitely came up, but I think I might have even said that to him at one point. Like, there are. Are a lot of outs you can take, and you'll see him or you have seen him try to take outs where he has conversations about his sister, and there's some other stuff that comes up that I'm like, are you just trying to find the out that sticks the most right now? And obviously, this guy was, I think, the biggest one. So, yeah, I did have that at that time. I don't know if I, like, fully listened to my gut as much as I should have on it in the moment.

[Nick]

Were there other signs from Dave that suggested that he was looking for an out in general, or was it mostly based off of this situation?

[Lauren]

There are a couple. Couple other things that come up. Like, you'll see some other things that I think makes Dave question if we should be getting married or not. And I don't think that they have anything to do with me and more to do with where his head was.

[Nick]

At at the time in which this drama happened. How all in were you as far as marriage goes, you know? Or, like, I guess my question is, it's like I'm trying to figure out with this process, like, are some people, like. Like, it, I'm engaged, and we're gonna get married unless something bad happens, or is it. We got engaged and, like, let's, you know, we have four weeks to figure out whether we're gonna get married or not.

[Lauren]

That was definitely, like. I mean, going into this experience, obviously, you're hopeful for what could come, but, like, I just have never. You see me at one point say, I've never felt this, like, connected to someone so quickly. And so I surprised myself how invested I got with him and with this experience, and. And you see me, like, fight for it really hard. And so I did see marriage. I remember thinking, like, okay, we'll get married. We'll break up, or we'll not get married, but we'll stay together. And all of those, at the time, felt like potential next steps for us. But, yeah, marriage was definitely on the table for sure. For me.

[Natalie]

Watching it back, that whole in the kitchen where you're kind of cooking, preparing for the friends, and this kind of all explodes. Watching it back, did you have any, like, regrets of what you wish you would have said, said, or wouldn't have said?

[Lauren]

Honestly, no, because I think looking back, like, I tried. I tried to explain things in so many different ways and tried to really understand his perspective and then, like, speak to that. I think at that point, there was nothing I could have said or done differently to have Dave see it.

[Natalie]

I will say I feel like, the fact that he couldn't. You being so vulnerable and saying, like, I'm feeling really disconnected from you. Can you please stay here tonight? And him saying no, I think was the biggest sign of, like, this man should not be your husband. Husband, yeah.

[Lauren]

And I. You, like, that has been pretty jarring to watch back. And it happens, too, when he meets my friends, and I get emotional, and there's, like, not a lot of comfort happening. And I felt that in the moment, and it's. It's really sad to walk back and feel that again.

[Nick]

It's interesting because I completely agree with Natalie with that statement. But, you know, if I'm still trying to, like, empathize with this whole situation, like, I think two things can be true at the same time. Like, I can understand and Dave having a hard time processing this rumor, because that's what it is, you know, rumor you know, which has, like, maybe some truth to it, but obviously it's. It's. It's coming from someone who obviously is. Has an alternative agenda and things like that. But to Natalie's point, regardless of what the truth is, Dave demonstrated, you know, basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions and needing to be there for his partner who's also struggling. And he was basically saying, I need to be alone so that I can figure this out. And regardless of what you're going through, like, that not my problem, because my problem is you.

[Natalie]

You know, it was like my needs come first. Sorry.

[Nick]

Yeah, correct.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I remember thinking, too, like, your friends are giving you this whole different narrative, and every time you talk to that them, you get, like, more angry at me or more confused about the situation. So if you and I are supposed to be a team, why. Why are we continuing to go back to those people and have the same conversations that are not productive at all.

[Natalie]

Especially without you there to be like, that's not true.

[Nick]

Did you feel any type of way about his comments regarding Molly or. Or feelings towards Molly outside of the show? Or do you feel like that was maybe dramatized a little bit for tv?

[Lauren]

I think it was a little more dramatized than it felt in the moment. And, like, Molly and I are friends, and we've talked since about conversations that they've had. So I knew that obviously they knew that they had a connection, and I knew that he was validating her as well as me. And so watching it back, I wasn't too surprised. I kind of had a feeling that that was the story.

[Natalie]

Okay, random question, but going back to your first night on the honeymoon vacation, y. Whatever we call that in Honduras, you talked about getting, like, a bikini wax, and you were like, I can't work out or have sex for 24 hours. Like, I'm really bummed. And they kind of made the cutting of it. Made it seem like you were saying you're really bummed that you can't have sex. Is that what you're referring to or you're referring to, like, not being able to work out?

[Lauren]

Okay, that edit shocked me because that's not what I was saying. I was telling him that I got a wax and then I had a spin class scheduled for that night. And they were telling me that you can't work out, you can't have sex, you can't do any of these things. And I was so bummed because I had worked worked out in, like, two weeks, and they. My jaw was on the floor. I was like, I don't talk like that.

[Natalie]

That's it. Honestly, it read that way of just like, that's not what. Yeah, that's so we can't get some dick. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Like in what world? But I have said that. Oh my God, I'm glad. There were have been people that messaged me and they were like, this editing looked a little wonky and I'm like, thank you.

[Nick]

I know. Natalie, obviously in our great debate the other day, used Dave's interest in other people's sex life is, is kind of a justification for like Dave, you know, not taking sex seriously. But I didn't see it that way. I kind of see it as him just again, I think a lot of people in these atmospheres are very curious about what other people are doing. There's a lot of confusion. I also think just because, you know, you have a one night stand doesn't mean sex means nothing to you ever in general. It's just like, I think it's situational basis. But how did you see Dave's line of questioning to his peers as it relates to your relationship?

[Lauren]

I mean, I think in terms of him asking other people like that clip of scenes. I remember thinking like one thing Dave is going to do is be himself. And you see him say, I was just genuinely curious and he just wanted to talk to people about it. I don't know, it didn't surprise me that he was having those conversations because he speaks his mind and doesn't really filter through questions.

[Nick]

Did you ever tell Dave that despite him thinking they're jokes, that sometimes they're not funny?

[Lauren]

I mean, the way some of his jokes, especially in the pods were portrayed, it comes off much more serious than it felt in the moment. Like it was very light hearted. He would always follow it up with like a laugh or like. And again, I know that if he said anything absolutely insane, there'd be a line to cross. But like it felt very bantery in the moment and like, yeah, it's hard to watch back and have people see it very different.

[Nick]

I mean, listen, reality TV is not a safe space for sarcasm or any type of like humor in general because it definitely can and often is used against you. So yeah, I definitely watch those moments with a, a careful eye, so to speak.

[Natalie]

Going back to that moment in the kitchen, I kind of stood on this like he was platforming information that wasn't true on your end on national television to kind of like, in my opinion, shame you for like your choices in your sex Life. Did you feel that way or is that me just, like, projecting my feelings?

[Lauren]

I did. And I remember, like I said, I. When we were having this conversation, I was like, I'm. I feel crazy right now. Like, I feel like I'm. My communication is not getting through, and I'm. I feel like a. And like, I hadn't really felt that before. Like, again, I just. You see me say I've never had to defend my character like this. Like, I don't understand why. Why this thing is like, the end all be all for me and the kind of person I am right now. So, yeah, I remember saying, like, my Nona watches this show, my boss watches the show, and we are just airing out my sexual history for the world.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's a tough situation given the. Just, like, what the show is about, you know, and it's some hard to avoid some of these conversations without, you.

[Natalie]

Know, but also, obviously, every second isn't filmed. And so it's like, if. To me, it's like, if he genuinely cared about you and thought about, like, oh, maybe there's like, some falseness to this. Like, I should ask her when cameras aren't around so that she doesn't feel like I'm, like, putting her sex life on blast.

[Nick]

That's true. He definitely wasn't overly considerate and empathetic to how this might affect you. That. That is clear.

[Lauren]

Right. Right.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Nick]

I was curious about your perspective about some of the other people in. In relationships. But. But was Madison as messy and toxic as she came across on the show?

[Lauren]

I don't know. It's hard to answer because I was so focused on my own shit. I'm focused on Dave. There's a little bit of stuff going on with Molly. I talked about this before, too, but I was talking to Mason up until, like, a couple of days towards the end, too, and I had no idea that he was having any of these conversations with Meg or Madison. So I was shocked to see it all come. Come to a head. I think you kind of see Meg and Madison handle things differently and, like, approach it differently. But I wouldn't say I left. Like, I remember leaving, and people were like, how were the girls? Were they all insanely toxic? And I'm like, no, they were just. Everyone was just trying their best, and that looks different for different people.

[Nick]

Watching it back, do you feel like Madison got screwed over? Because I really quite liked his relationship with Meg. Again, don't know if this is editing or whatever, but it sure seemed like Madison sabotaged that relationship. Because she didn't get her way.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I'm gonna be so honest with you guys. I skipped through a lot of those.

[Nick]

Fair enough.

[Lauren]

I was watching mine. I wanted to make sure that I.

[Wells]

Understood the story, respect.

[Natalie]

But I honestly didn't.

[Lauren]

I didn't fully get what was going on in the lounge at the time, and I still don't fully get it. Like, honestly, you guys have probably a better perspective on it than I do.

[Nick]

But we have an opinion. But, you know, like, we just, you know, sometimes context matters and sometimes context is lost in these episodes. So we. We were definitely curious.

[Rob]

When you met everyone, was there anybody that you were surprised that you talked to in the pods, but you were surprised by, like, meeting them physically? Like, what they. What their appearance was versus their voice?

[Lauren]

Oh, like the guys?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. Was there anyone who, like, you met in person? You're like, fuck. Damn.

[Rob]

They're definitely like, that's not what I thought he looked like.

[Lauren]

Or it is funny to think back because, like, I'm sure as a viewer you're probably like, okay, I wonder how they think. Think the other person looks. But I really tried to not spend too much time putting people in these, like, physical boxes. I was shocked. Joey had long hair. I had no idea that that's what he looked like. I remember I'm trying to think about anyone else. There wasn't anyone I was super surprised by, and there wasn't anyone that I was like, oh, damn, I made a mistake.

[Natalie]

Well, they honestly all look the same, so it's not exactly copy, paste, copy and paste. What did you think of the whole Ben and Sarah? Did you watch that? Kind of. Where he had an ex from four years pop up?

[Lauren]

Yeah, that. To use Nick's words, I remember at the time thinking two things can be true. Ben could have not been a good partner to women in the past. And this girl on TikTok also really wants her 15 minutes of fame and wants some clout. Like, I remember really seeing both of those pieces. And I don't know, it was hard to watch Sarah be conflicted at. On how to look at things. And I think she did such a good job of saying, I'm not going to dismiss her. And I trust you. But, like, I. I'm remembering this or I'm. I'm not, like, dismissing this information.

[Nick]

Well, after getting to know Ben, I don't know how much you did get to know him, but do you feel like maybe these accusations from the past have any truth to them or. Or not?

[Lauren]

I definitely think there's A reason that there are these conversations happening with many women, not just that one TikTok girl with Ben.

[Nick]

There's are. There's other. Other, Other. Yeah, there's others.

[Lauren]

Well, I think, like, if you. And again, this is another, like, don't go watch that TikTok and like, give her attention. But, like, there are people having conversations about that and validating her in.

[Natalie]

In ways so she's getting support under her post being like, me too girl type of thing.

[Lauren]

Well, more so when that was happening at the time, like, there were. Were there were comments in that video or like, people saying things to her like, oh, yeah, I also knew Ben or I had this experience. There were some of those conversations.

[Nick]

And what was the general accusation that he just basically ghosted her.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

There was also YouTube cards.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Did you see hookups?

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He was leaving his, like, YouTube business cards where he, like, was a YouTuber.

[Dylan]

He would hook up with girls and leave it behind.

[Wells]

I wonder how many subscribers he got.

[Lauren]

It's a tough look.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Wells]

Do you think he got the platinum something?

[Nick]

I sure hope.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I wonder what his YouTube videos were of.

[Nick]

I mean, the Internet's written in ink. Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, like, he's giving these to women he's had sex with. So, like, what is his content?

[Nick]

Interesting. Well, I'm even more intrigued now. Any other questions for Lauren before we let her go?

[Natalie]

Lauren, is there anything else you feel like you want to clear up? Whether it's like something you saw that you felt wasn't portrayed as you remembered.

[Nick]

Or maybe just like before the next batch comes out, giving us any a heads up or just like something to look for as we consume these next batch of episodes?

[Lauren]

I don't think that there's anything to clear up. I do think that they're doing a good job of telling our story in the way that it felt in the moment. And there's a lot of frustration with that. Unfortunately, I don't think the frustration is. Is done after this week. There'll be a little bit more to come there.

[Natalie]

Great.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Lauren]

But, like, let me cook.

[Nick]

Do you think we will want to have you back on this show to unpack your entire story with Dave maybe.

[Natalie]

In person sitting on this couch?

[Nick]

Because we want the drama.

[Lauren]

I mean, I personally think you'll want to have me back in the tooting my own horn.

[Natalie]

Why wouldn't we?

[Nick]

Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know that you carved some out of your very busy work schedule, so thank you. We appreciate it. And we look Forward to watching the.

[Natalie]

Rest of your journey Team Lauren forever.

[Lauren]

I love you guys. Thank you so much.

[Nick]

Love you, too. All right, take care.

[Natalie]

We'll see you soon.

[Lauren]

Bye.

[Nick]

Well, that's very interesting. So she hooked up with him a week before filming.

[Natalie]

She didn't say she hooked up. She said she saw him. She didn't say that she hooked up.

[Wells]

What else do you do with your family?

[Natalie]

Actually on the show? She said they got ice cream. Cream. That was the last time she saw.

[Wells]

Maybe it was sometimes.

[Nick]

Sometimes we got ice cream before and after.

[Wells]

Okay. But maybe it was a. I'm going on the show. We're not going to see each other anymore. Ice cream.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Wells]

Like, I leave a little salty tears and tears.

[Nick]

That makes it a little bit more than just, I don't know. You don't need to say goodbye to your buddy.

[Rob]

There's a season of Vanderpump Girls where Jax has a girlfriend and he invites her to pizza. And then she thinks they're having a date, and she's. He's like, I just, you know, you're going to college. I just don't see myself going with.

[Nick]

You going to college.

[Rob]

She's, like, going to grad school or something.

[Natalie]

Thank God math isn't poor poor.

[Rob]

But, like, would we be surprised?

[Nick]

I wouldn't have been surprised, but I'm just surprised it was.

[Wells]

I will say Lauren and Jack Staler do not have much in common.

[Nick]

I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you guys still feel the way. She didn't change my opinion.

[Rob]

I mean, she confirmed mine.

[Natalie]

She definitely confirmed mine of that. She felt shamed. She felt judged.

[Nick]

But I'm not defending Dave. I'm defending Sarah. Sex.

[Natalie]

Well, thank God.

[Wells]

But I think that's a different argument.

[Nick]

That was the argument I was trying to make while you guys were all yelling at me that I should.

[Natalie]

Well, someone told me I need a muzzle, so I won't be yelling any longer.

[Nick]

You know, a lot of people who do this show, as someone who's been on these types of shows, I. Nothing I find more. More kind of frustrating or just kind of shows that you haven't done these shows when. When people say, you know, what you signed up for or you signed up for this, because I don't think Dave, Lauren, and anyone in this cast has any clue who truly what they signed up for. You know, they got the logline of, like, what the show's about they've seen previous season. But until you're in that crazy universe, you really don't know. And to that end, I give Lauren grace for, you know, making the decisions that she did. But I also appreciate that, you know, Dave was struggling with, like, questioning how serious she was. I think Natalie made a great point that regardless of. Of who thought what or when, this issue revealed Dave's kind of shortcomings as a potential future partner. And I think more than anything, that was telling, because, like, regardless of what happened pew people who are, like, weeks away from marriage, he clearly is someone who was incapable of, like, you know, allowing his partner to also be in a space that he was in and working through it together, rather, you know, completely disconnecting and then emotionally abandoning his.

[Natalie]

Partner, which I do feel like is a huge red flag in Jim General in relationships, like, if your partner can't, like, put their pride aside and, like, just be in the same room as you or just.

[Nick]

Yeah, work through it together, you know, just, like, talk through it.

[Natalie]

And, you know, even if you're like, let's platform this. Let's talk about it tomorrow. But, like, we'll just watch a movie. We'll get dinner. Like, it'll be fine. He couldn't even do that. He was like, I gotta get the out of here.

[Nick]

Yeah, that was.

[Natalie]

Left her to sleep alone in this apartment that's not even hers.

[Wells]

Like, yeah. I feel like my biggest issue with Dave was not that he was frustrated with Lauren having someone. Someone before the show, like, less of the sex thing and more of just. He didn't believe her when she told him. It's not like she was being cagey. It very much presented itself as, like, she is telling the truth from her perspective. And this is someone. This is a firsthand account of what happens. Her friends are corroborating this, and he is just completely not seeing her.

[Natalie]

It definitely wasn't like the Ben. Ben of it all. When confronted by Sarah, you know, was like, I don't remember. I don't know.

[Wells]

Story's changing.

[Natalie]

I. I saw it a while. I know, but I. I think the just, like, the little bit of caginess that he did have just of, like, already seeing the video and not showing it to her or bringing it up to her, letting her find it on her own and then being like, yeah, I already blocked her. I forgot what happened. Like, that's a little cagey and would give Sarah reason to be like, I don't know. I'm kind of struggling with believing you.

[Wells]

But even then, here it all is. Saw. Even then, Sarah saw Ben and was like, I'm taking what you're saying into Consideration, while also, like, taking what this girl is saying into consideration. And Dave just, like, was not taking Lauren Aaron's words into consideration at all is what it read to me as.

[Nick]

I mean, that may be true, but I think this rumor caught him off guard. And I think whether right or wrong, I think he didn't expect this to come out. And he had. He had an expectation. That expectation wasn't met. And in any situation, when you have an expectation, it's not met, it fucks you up and you have a hard time getting back to that kind of.

[Natalie]

You know what I bet. I bet Dave, like. Like is probably, like, my perception of him is probably correct. And he, like, is listening to the show to only, like, get, like, what he should be saying from you. You know, he's like, no, no, no, no, no. I like, you know, it was hard because the rumor really messed with my brain.

[Dylan]

He's looking at the corner of the zoom screen.

[Nick]

He's taking notes for the reunion. Yeah, for sure.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Did we find out any more about Ben and this?

[Dylan]

The YouTube is not linked in his Instagram. There's no YouTube under his full name.

[Rob]

I found his YouTube channel, but it's completely white.

[Dylan]

It exists.

[Nick]

Got right on it as soon as.

[Rob]

Apparently, this man would leave his YouTube card for women after he slept.

[Nick]

What is a YouTube card?

[Rob]

Like, he made a business card with YouTube on it, his face, and, like, his app, so you can go follow him.

[Natalie]

It didn't say YouTube. It said YouTuber.

[Chanel Ion]

YouTuber.

[Wells]

I'm going to make a theory. That's fucking sports commentating. Sports commentating. He was a baseball player.

[Dylan]

I brought this up on POP not too long ago, where I was like, oh, look, I saw this. It's wild. I don't know who the cast member is, because this came out before the show released.

[Nick]

That's almost as brutal as Sutton was last night's episode. We'll get into that later. Your girl was honest one, bro.

[Chanel Ion]

My wallet.

[Dylan]

I prepared.

[Nick]

That was wild. Well, up next, we have the iconic Chanel Ion with us to get into all sorts of topics, especially her, like, little interaction with Will Smith that she. She's on the same flight with him on the way here to the show. They're playing buddies.

[Natalie]

She wasn't afraid to say hi.

[Nick]

She's not afraid of Taylor Swift. Fearless, full of myself. I don't know.

[Rob]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Anyways, we'll talk about that with her and more. More. All right, first question. Is it Chanel or is it Ion?

[Chanel Ion]

So my real name is Ayan, which means Lucky, because my mom had nine girls and one boy.

[Nick]

Nine girls, nine girls and one boy.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. So it's 11, but my father has like 30 something kids. My father fucked everybody in the village.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, so that's normal in my village. Right. So then Chanel, I gave it to myself because I watched a movie about Chanel and her life story was basically a little bit like mine where, like, her dad lived in the same town but had another family, but never cared about them. So I kind of was like, oh, that's so cool. So I just named my name Chanel Ayan, so it stuck.

[Nick]

Love that.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I wish I had the confidence to just like rename myself sometimes.

[Chanel Ion]

Why would you? You look good. By the way, I bullied your husband one time.

[Natalie]

Oh, my gosh. He hasn't forgot. He hasn't slept since finding those messages. He's been awake every single night.

[Nick]

Thankfully, I didn't read my DMs and.

[Chanel Ion]

I just saw him.

[Nick]

Why did you bully me?

[Chanel Ion]

I'll tell you first. And I just saw him, walked out to say hi and literally I was like, he's the most good looking man I have ever seen in America. By the way, my husband is very hot. He's from Idaho.

[Nick]

That's coming.

[Natalie]

He's from Idaho.

[Nick]

That means a lot.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, my husband's from Idaho.

[Nick]

That means a lot coming from you because I don't feel like you say things just to be nice.

[Chanel Ion]

No, no, no, no. You see, I left you to read my stuff that I said about you till 2017. Because I'm a real bitch. So I wanted what I felt at that moment. But. Yeah. Why did I say that to you? I'm not gonna lie. I don't remember. But. But the truth doesn't matter. The truth is I was in Idaho and I was bored in my family's cabin and you came on tv. Okay. And I was just like, okay, he's a. He's young and you are. Oh, you are. With my favorite human being. That said, I was the most nicest person he's ever met in his life. Beside his wife, Wells. Yeah. Yes. I love him so much. So anyways, he's nicer than me. He. Yes. He's such a kind soul. But we'll get to know each other. I'll. I'll decide later. But so far I feel like you're great.

[Nick]

Thank you.

[Chanel Ion]

Yes.

[Nick]

Honestly, I have a hard candy shell, but I'm soft in the middle.

[Chanel Ion]

You can tell. You really can tell. Your eyes is kind. Yes. Okay.

[Natalie]

When he Loves you. He loves you.

[Nick]

If you got me on your side. Side.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'm a good ally. Really terrible. I'm a bad enemy. And like you, I feel like. And I don't really know you that well, but I, I, I, I don't, I just don't have the time for same.

[Chanel Ion]

I really have no time because I feel like life is so short. And also I think because the way I grew up, it's like you. I grew up in a very small village. Okay. Nobody has left my village except my family. Okay. So it's like you. And I grew up in a very abusive home, and I grew up with a single mom. Mom. So I saw a lot of things. So I have no time for or bad energy. You get what you see. If I like you, you will know. If I don't like you, you will know immediately. I'm very outspoken. Are you like that?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I think so.

[Chanel Ion]

Love that.

[Natalie]

I think so.

[Chanel Ion]

Yes.

[Nick]

Have you ever, other than, like, you know, people you see on TV or online, have you ever been wrong about someone you met in person, about, like, how you thought they were?

[Chanel Ion]

Yes. And I actually, I like Karen Hugo. I know something's happening with her today, but when I first met her at BravoCon, because I watched her and I was like, oh, my God. You know, she's a very strong woman, very opinionated. And when I met her, she was such a soft, soft person. Very kind, very welcoming. You know, whatever she's going through right now, it's really hard to see where she is. And I wish her nothing but the best in life. And I think she has time to, to process things that she's going through and come out in a better way.

[Nick]

Yeah, we definitely wish her the best. I mean, you know, obviously alcohol is a terrible drug and it can do terrible things and, and it, you know, it's a sickness for people who, you know, are addicted to it. And I don't know if that's what's going on with her, but she seems like she's struggled with consumption from time to time. So hopefully she definitely, you know.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, I don't have alcohol in jail, so I think it's a good thing that she will, like, you know, be better. I wish I had nothing but the best.

[Nick]

Have you been able to talk to her at all?

[Chanel Ion]

No. So she actually reached out to me, to me, long time ago. She wanted to visit Dubai with her daughter, who's beautiful, love her meta in BravoCon. So she asked me about Dubai and I was hoping she would come, but, like, I said, like, I really. She's a really nice human being, you know, apart from when you see on TV and you see, like, okay, these people are crazy. But she's actually really down to art. She's very open. She's very loving. So with that, I just feel like that's one of them Nini lakes.

[Natalie]

Oh, love her.

[Chanel Ion]

Okay. Like a really good friend now. Because when you see people on tv, you're like, oh, my God, they're so tough. Kenya more, you know, and you're like, oh, wow. They're actually like, really? Girls. Girls, you know, so. Yeah. Yeah. And with you, we'll see. The more we keep going, I feel like people.

[Natalie]

We'll see. We'll see.

[Chanel Ion]

We'll see.

[Nick]

I do like surprising people.

[Chanel Ion]

I love that, too.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So you grew up in Kenya?

[Chanel Ion]

Yes, I grew up in Kenya until I was 18. And then I met my husband from Boise, Idaho.

[Natalie]

How did you meet him?

[Chanel Ion]

I met him in a restaurant and he told me he was American. And immediately I was like, I'm gonna marry him because I wanted his passport. Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie]

So he was in Kenya.

[Chanel Ion]

So he was in Kenya visiting. And I was like. I saw him, he was so hot. So the first time I ever saw a white person, I was nine years old in my village, so I didn't know white people existed. And the first time I watched a movie. Movie was a Van Damme movie. And he was so hot. Yeah, yeah. He was so good looking with muscles.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chanel Ion]

So when I met my husband. I'll send you the picture. When I met my husband, okay. And he literally looked like him. And I was just like, wow, where are you from? He goes, I'm American. I was like, ooh, darling, you know, I need to go to America. He became hotter and hotter because I don't believe in people marrying for love. Okay. I think that you should marry for. Because love comes late later. Okay. Because when I first met my husband, I'm not gonna say, like, oh, my God, I was in love immediately. But married 26 years. Because when you fall in love immediately and be like, I love this person immediately, I feel like it's more like a lust than you fall in love, but also because I grew up really in a bad home. So for me, I wanted a good life because I saw my mom struggling a lot. So I always wanted to have the best. Okay. We are still married 26 years. Okay.

[Natalie]

That's incredible.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. Happily married. We have a gorgeous son who's 18. Going to call him. So. Yeah.

[Nick]

You have an 18 year old son.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Damn.

[Chanel Ion]

Thank you. Are you good, right?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You do.

[Chanel Ion]

Thank you. It's black, don't crack.

[Nick]

I don't, I don't know how old you were. I don't know how old you are and if you're telling me you were, you're 50.

[Rob]

No.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Are you sure?

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. I did a test in my show, they said I was 50 years old.

[Dylan]

This happened on Dubai last season, right?

[Chanel Ion]

Yes, yes. But it's just easy. It's like I do a lot of things that I saw my culture people do that's cheap to like what give us. So literally, you know. Turmeric.

[Rob]

Uhhuh.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. So I just put turmeric and honey once a week on my face because it removes inflammation, it makes your skin glowing and it's just like.

[Nick]

You have the best skin I've ever.

[Chanel Ion]

Seen in my life.

[Nick]

You have the best skin I've ever seen in my life.

[Chanel Ion]

Ah. Oh. Turmeric and honey. We're gonna love each other. I love that.

[Natalie]

So it's turmeric and honey.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, just put turmeric, honey. But you have gorgeous skin.

[Nick]

Well, no, seriously, you have great skin.

[Natalie]

Thank you, thank you. But I would love to have your kind of skin. So it's just, it's turmeric and hon.

[Nick]

Want to see you, Natalie, walking around with honey.

[Natalie]

I will be. I will.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, that's it. Like I just do that and I try to drink a lot of water and also like it's very important to. Do you talk about sex in your podcast?

[Nick]

Oh yeah, whatever you want.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh yeah. It's a very important to fuck.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Chanel Ion]

Like it's so good for your body, for your mind, for your health. So that helps a lot. You know what I mean?

[Natalie]

How many times a week do you and yourself.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, we don't have a schedule. Like, I'm not gonna lie. It's like when it happens, it happens when you're on a heat. You just.

[Natalie]

When you're on heat. Yeah, no, for sure.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So relatable. Yeah.

[Nick]

So Will Smith. Will Smith.

[Natalie]

Oh my God, was that crazy babes?

[Chanel Ion]

That was.

[Natalie]

How did you approach him?

[Chanel Ion]

So, so actually this is what happened. I. I was in first class. Okay. And Maria told me. Oh my God, did you see Will Smith just came into the plane and I was like, really? And he goes, yeah. But he locked his car cabinet. So it's 15 and hours flight. 15 and a half hours flight. And his cabinet was next to mine. So I didn't sleep on the plane because I was waiting for him to wake up so I can say hello, take pictures, ask questions. Cuz I have questions, okay. I have deep questions that I need to know cuz I'm nosy. So I was keep looking at his. And then he slept for 10 hours. And then the next five hours he woke up and he went to take shower. Okay. So he went. Because there's shower in the first class. So I was waiting and then he passed and he waved at me. I was like, okay, we're going to be friends, we're going to talk. So by the time I went to talk to him, I know his son Jayden, because my son models and we were together in London. So that was easy. Saying, hey, I know your son, how are you doing? And I was like, I love the Pursuit of Happiness, my favorite movie. I made my son watch like 10 times. And then we talked about traitors. I asked him about Men in Black and he was laughing, he was so good.

[Natalie]

Did you ask anything about the slap at the Oscars?

[Chanel Ion]

No, no, because I didn't ask him about that. But I feel like that was a planned situation because there's a lot of Illuminati stuff in here in Hollywood. It's my first time in Hollywood, by the way.

[Nick]

Your first time?

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, first time. And my husband was born. Born here, but I've never been because they live in Idaho. So usually I just fly through the airport and go to Idaho. So I've never really, like seen la. Like, this is my first time. And you guys have a lot going on. People live on the street.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Chanel Ion]

Where I'm staying. I like.

[Nick]

It's not perfect.

[Chanel Ion]

No. Why? We're humans and we should like. It's really so sad. And I don't know, they're like frozen. We don't have that in Dubai.

[Natalie]

You don't?

[Chanel Ion]

No, not at all. You never see that. I mean, also in Africa, I'm not gonna lie. You know, in America they like to do these movies like, oh, in Africa, people are starving. There's no food, there's no this. It's all Persona. I mean, there are some places that are not like that. But we have a lot of wealthy people in Africa. But even when I go home, I don't get to see that. So I was a bit shocked yesterday.

[Nick]

It's right in your face here.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, Yeah. I was really, like, sad about it. Yeah.

[Natalie]

What are some of the rules in Dubai that obvious? We don't have here in America.

[Chanel Ion]

So in Dubai, usually, like, if you like, you can't live in Dubai. If you cannot afford to live in Dubai, okay? Like, you just cannot live in Dubai.

[Natalie]

It's all rich people.

[Chanel Ion]

No, it's not all rich people. It's everybody with a job. Everybody. Because you need to get visa to live there. You have to do your medical. You have to have a, like I said, job. So you have to have that. It's very important. You have to have medical insurance to live in Dubai. So there's so many rules that you have to have to live there. So, for example, if you lose your job, job, it's very tough because it's a very expensive city. You know, you. You have to leave.

[Nick]

And can your job be, like, remote? You know, like, for example. Yeah. If I moved to Dubai and still did this show and, you know, had my team here, they would be like, cool. As long as you're making money.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of money in Dubai. People make a lot of money in Dubai.

[Rob]

You said your husband is from Idaho. So how did you end up in Dubai?

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, with my husband. So when I married my husband when I was 18. Teen. For opportunities, kid.

[Natalie]

So make it clear. It's for opportunities.

[Chanel Ion]

I love her, you know, because I don't feel like. I don't think like women should. Should marry somebody and struggle, you know what I mean? I feel like women should marry somebody that can take care of them. Okay. Be the breadwinner. That's in my culture. Maybe it's different. I come from a culture that men take care of their wives and children.

[Natalie]

The south, it's like that too. I'm from the south and it's similar to that.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. Oh, cool. I've never been. I want to go. Where? Where in the south?

[Natalie]

Savannah, Georgia.

[Chanel Ion]

That's Atlanta, right?

[Natalie]

Close. Like three hours away.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. Yeah. I love Shan people. I love how they speak. I love the accent, everything. Yeah.

[Nick]

Give a little something.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. So what was the question again? I made you.

[Rob]

How did you end up in Dubai?

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, yeah. So then when I married my husband, we moved to Brazil and I was going to marry my cousin, okay. My cousin was very good looking. There was no problem with me not marrying my cousin. It's part of my culture. And then when I met my husband, I was like, oh, my God, he literally reminds me of Van Damme. So I was like, like, this is my dream, you know, I want to marry him. I want to get out of my village. I want to have better opportunities in life. So we moved to Brazil, got married in Brazil, and then from Brazil, we Moved to Dubai and then I went to Idaho. And then I didn't know that Idaho. So I thought, America is la, in the movies and New York, like, big houses. Like, my husband's family had big, big house. Okay. But, like, you see a lot of people. When I moved to Idaho, literally 20 something years, I. I couldn't find black people. So I was like, there was no black people in Idaho. Like, when I found one, I was so excited. We became best friends. Like, we're still friends till today. Like, we became best friends. I was like, oh, my God. You know, but it was so cute because I was so young. Everybody was very friendly in Idaho. They are very welcoming. So that's how I ended up in. And, yeah, see, I got confused. Dubai and Boise.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Nick]

Why do you feel like they voted you off on Traitors or killed you?

[Chanel Ion]

Jealousy. Honestly, it was jealousy. Like, you can see, like, Carolyn did an interview and said that I was funny whether I was on camera or off camera. Okay? And Bob the Drag Queen, actually, I love him. The moment I saw him, I was, like, obsessed. He's so tall, right? And he's funny too, you know? And we were having fun with everybody. But I could just feel, honestly, every five seconds, he's like, you're so funny. You're really, really funny.

[Nick]

You were competition.

[Chanel Ion]

Everybody likes you and everybody likes me. Because when everybody died, I'm not kidding you, most of the cast reached out to say hi, saying that they missed me when I left, because it was a bit boring when I left. Cause I was making them have fun, you know? And I really worked hard, hard to stay, you know, because at one point when we did the RORO on the boat, I thought I was going to die because I didn't understand what's going on. So Wells, my bestie for life, was helping me to understand the game because. Because I got the show four days before I arrived and they don't show traitors in Dubai, okay? So I saw clips of Fedra. So I never watched the whole entire show, right? So I remember I messaged Andy and I was like, andy, by the way, I just got Traitors. He goes, I know. And I was like, but I've never watched the show. He goes, what do you mean? He goes, what do you mean? I'm like. He's like, you have to watch this show. I'm like, I'm already in Scotland. I just landed in Scotland. Because. Because when I was reached out and they called me like, do you want to do Traitors? I was like, yes. I'm excited because I saw clips of Ferraris. She's iconic.

[Wells]

Yes.

[Chanel Ion]

Hate the bitch. Love the bitch, you know? Yes, but so it was iconic. So she was iconic, right? So I was like, yeah, I want to do it. So when I got to the house, I was like, wells, we need to be careful. The dead man is gonna kill us. Wells is like, who is the dead man? I'm like, the dead man that's gonna come at night when we go to sleep. He's gonna kill us. And he was like, oh, my God, Ayaan, there's no dead man here. I'm like, no, we die, okay? We die, you know, so the dead man will murder us. So when we came from Rorobot, right? I was like, oh, my God. I did not know I was gonna die. I was really crazy. So we were in this room, right? And I was like, to everybody, it was. I think it was. I don't remember, except I think it was Wells, Dylan, Derek, Danielle. I don't know if Bob the Bracken saw it, maybe. I don't know. But there was a group of people, so I went to them. Guys, seriously, I cannot die, okay? I worked harder than a prostitute in that castle. I was like, have you guys ever seen an African boobs in your life? Like I'm sure you've seen on tv, but you've never seen a real one. Okay? So I just show them my boobs, okay? To everybody. Okay? Which is crazy because I'm married, but I have very good boobs. That's how I got my husband, because of my boobs. They're 12 o'clock. Like, literally they're standing. And I've breastfed for years, so. So I was there, right? And I was like, have you guys seen the. So I showed them my boobs and then I didn't die. And I was like, great.

[Nick]

My boobs specifically.

[Chanel Ion]

I mean, group of them.

[Rob]

She said.

[Natalie]

She said Wells.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, it was a group.

[Nick]

Gentleman having, huh?

[Natalie]

Yeah. No one has spoken about it. It really is.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, I know. I love them.

[Nick]

They really are.

[Chanel Ion]

I made really good friends there.

[Natalie]

So what was their reaction?

[Nick]

Were they doing things like this?

[Chanel Ion]

No, because they were just laughing because I'm crazy naturally, you know, and I didn't want to die.

[Nick]

Or did you, like, let it marinate?

[Chanel Ion]

No, I just shocked them.

[Nick]

For how long?

[Chanel Ion]

Maybe I did a bit of bouncing. But they did see it. They did definitely see the boobs. Yeah, they did. And they literally. I know for a fact. They all told me my book was great. They killed me because they Were jealous.

[Nick]

The traitors killed you? Yeah, overnight, yes.

[Chanel Ion]

But. But the traitors didn't want to kill me. So I know the story, what happened, okay? Because I was mad as fuck, right? And I knew that Danielle and Bob were traitors before I died, which they didn't air to show it, because when I went in, I didn't know it, but my instincts are very, very good. So I could feel like Bob kept on telling me, you're so funny. You're so funny. Everybody loves you. But he would ignore me all day and treat me a little bit like shit. And I was like, okay, whatever. So I became friends with Wells a lot. Wells was like my friend in the house. Dylan was my very good friend. Brittany was my very good friend. Danielle was my friend because Dylan made me be friends with her. And of course, I'm friends with Dolores Robin, you know what I mean? Like, I know the guys. I know Dolores for years, you know? So when I died, I knew immediately it was Bob. But then Rob told me, because I messaged Rob, who thinks probably I'm a psychopath. And I'm okay with Rob thinking that, because when he died, I messaged him every other day, out of nowhere, just like you, I'll be like, why did you kill me? To Rob. Oh, Ayaan, you really have to watch it. I'm like, yeah, you know, I really love you. I'm like, that's not the point. Three days later, pass. I'm like, rob, why did you kill me?

[Natalie]

Did he ever give you an answer?

[Chanel Ion]

He told me, I didn't want to kill you. And I do know that he didn't want to kill me because I watched him. But I know for a fact, because I'm a nosy person and I needed to find out what happened. Bob came in and was like this. Stood there, immediately said, ayaan has to die here and after and forever. She's got to go. You know, he was so insistive, and, you know, they shot two seconds of it. But the Traitors told me he was so insistive about me dying that they had no choice. They gave up. But Caroline didn't want to kill me. Rob didn't want to kill me. Danielle was supposed to be my girl, you know, I mean, honestly, fuck her, because I was closer to her than anyone else in the Traitors. So Bob was just like, she's got to go. She's got to go. But the good thing happened, which they didn't show. I went to Wells and said to Wells, we don't trust Bob. The Drunk queen. And Wells is like, yeah, we don't. Okay, that was before we went to the counter table. And then when we. When they killed my friend, okay, I was in pain. I was in pain. I cried so much. I was so sad because Wells is such a kind hearted human being. When I tell you he was there for me, he was really there for me. Even Dylan was there for me a lot, okay? And Robin. So when I died, when. When Wells died, I went and I told D. Dylan and Robin that 100% Bob is the traitor. So I was in a car with Bob and Wes. Oh, fuck. I hate Wes too, because Wes made me run for him, you know, when they were in the thing, right? So nobody wanted to give Wes the gold, okay? So Wes, I felt like, you know what, he looks like a serial killer. Cause he has bald headed with the red thing. So that's why I asked him if he's on TikTok, because I saw some crazy that looked a little bit like him, okay? So I was like, okay, are you on TikTok? He goes, no. So I don't know if he's still on TikTok. Actually, I think I asked him recently. He's still not on TikTok. But then I gave him all my coins and then he said, I'll give you the shield. So I was like, great, I'm safe. The boob saved me. And now my Kenyan running skills just saved me. So I'm not gonna die.

[Nick]

Are you fast?

[Chanel Ion]

No, no. Never ran for any man, any man in my life, including my husband. If he goes to me, go to the kitchen, I'm like, go, bruh. Walk o. So I was running for Wells like crazy, picking up stuff and then, oh, fucking Tom Sandovald. I. You know, you had to hit these things for the gold to come down. So I was hitting it, hitting it. My gold came down and this grown ass man ran and grabbed my gold and ran away with it. And I was like, he's fucking cheating.

[Natalie]

He stole it.

[Chanel Ion]

Yes, he stole my gold.

[Nick]

Very Tom Sandoval.

[Chanel Ion]

He stole my gold. So I was so mad about it and I was like, okay, he's just a cheater. Even in the game. He cheated on a girl, okay? And I was like, and I never ran before, okay? So I said to Wells, which it didn't air. I said, wells, I have never run for nobody in my life, okay? I'm a fucking supermodel, okay? And here I'm running for you. You better give me that shield. He's like, I'll give it to you. Okay. Never fucking gave it to me. Because if he gave me, I would have been saved.

[Rob]

Right.

[Chanel Ion]

Okay. And so I went to him and I said, hey, do you want to give me the shield that you promised me? He's like, yeah, we'll talk I about it. And I never heard from him.

[Nick]

You know, it's a know right there.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, exactly. And I'm the one that literally ran for him. Right? Yeah. You know, so that was up. So you. Yes.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. So.

[Natalie]

So. But did you ever talk to Tom Sandoval about stealing your gold?

[Chanel Ion]

No, because I died, so I never had a chance.

[Natalie]

And you didn't DM him and say, no, no, no.

[Chanel Ion]

He's not really on my radar. Not really interested.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, we see that you're friends with Sa Sam.

[Chanel Ion]

I saw him here. He was here. Yeah. So cute. Because I tried to ask him so many questions about Briny in the house, and he literally would not answer. So the fact that I saw he opened up here, I really like that.

[Nick]

Oh, thank you.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, I really like that because I try to get everything. Because I'm a conspiracy theorist. Okay. So some people are like, maybe the Britney is not the Britney dancing. There's an A, you know, so sometimes I'm like, looking into it to see is it really the AI. Because I'm a conspiracy theorist, naturally. But so I wanted to know more about it, you know, And I was asking because I love Bri, like I said on the show. I love Bryni. I love everything about that girl. But he wouldn't say anything. So it was nice to hear him talk about it.

[Natalie]

Here you are very open about this, like, forced genital mutilation. Can you talk about that? What is that? Like, what?

[Chanel Ion]

Okay, so in my color culture, they circumcise girls, and it's a very normal thing, Right? So when I was five years old, I was circumcised. It's called female genital mutilation. Right.

[Natalie]

And what are they?

[Chanel Ion]

They circumcise you. They cut you. Like, there's different types. So there's one that they can cut. They cut your clitoris, the ones they saw you in. So for me, I was sewn so I couldn't pee for like. Like, I could pee, but it takes me longer. And then when I had period, it was the worst experience of my life ever. Like, until now. I have, like, coming from a very abusive father. Like, I got the most abused out of him than anyone in my family. You know, I have broken bones. Like, I literally have this here that he kicked me. You know, this going through in my life is like, that's why maybe I see things differently in life. And so you have a lot of people that can have babies, depression, which I go through sometimes. You have people that. Girls die so young and there's six countries now in Africa that just decided that they want to bring it back. Yeah. Like it's normal. So for example, like a three year old girl that doesn't know anything, there's no anesthesia, there's nothing. They tied you in the bed, you don't know what's going on. And then when you get married, like I was lucky. My husband paid for me to be open a hospital. But a lot of girls in my culture don't get that. You have to go through your husband, which your son for years, years. And it's very painful. And they, and they don't take it seriously because the reason is like you have to get married when you're a virgin. That's the thing about it. Right. So it's about virginity because the fathers want to get the cows, they want to get the dowry because it's a big deal in our culture to get dowries. And if you get married in our culture, they have to make sure that you bleed to be a virgin. I know it's like 20, 25, but it's happening right now as we speak, you know, know. So for me it was, it's so important for me. But also it's like a taboo where sometimes I feel like I'm embarrassed to talk about it because I don't want people to see me. Like that's who I am. But then because I'm, I'm a mother, I'm a businesswoman and, you know, why.

[Lauren]

Would you be embarrassed?

[Natalie]

It's something you went through.

[Chanel Ion]

It's. Yeah.

[Natalie]

I think anyone who hears this story would think that that's a terrible thing to do to children.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, it's really.

[Natalie]

Why do you feel embarrassed by it?

[Chanel Ion]

Because it's like, no, it's like something that's so kept and hidden. And then like when I talk about it, I get bullied online a lot about it. I get called prostitute, which is like dlo. I get like, we don't claim you, we don't want you. They would literally go really deep into bullying me and things like that. And it's sometimes like you're just like, oh, all I'm trying to do is save the girls because I'm not on the planet just to be beautiful and argue with people. To get paid on the show, stuff like that. There's more to me than that. Something that I care about so much. So I actually started a makeup line called I am Beauty. And actually right now we have a blush that's dedicated to female genital mutilation and proceed goes to that and try to bring awareness to it because I feel like no one is talking about it. Of course we do have, I do have few Somali friends of mine that are famous, but they cannot talk about it because it's very. You get bullied for it.

[Natalie]

They're scared to talk about it.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, they're very, very scared to talk about it. You know, like I couldn't go home. Like my classmates know this. Carol and Sambury knows this. Like Sarah. Like they know it cause I showed them the messages. I couldn't go home to pick my mom who has dementia because she cannot fly by herself because my dad had put like a lot of threats, you know, and it's like very bad threats, you know. So that like affected me with my mom. So as much as I'm opening about it, I'm talking about it, I also know it's like puts really bad situation on me. Like I haven't gone home for like eight months to nine months because I'm scared to go home.

[Rob]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[Chanel Ion]

Because yeah, I'm.

[Natalie]

So when did you realize that like what they're doing to, to young girls is not okay? How old were you?

[Chanel Ion]

When I left. When I left. Because when you, when you're raised in a environment that you think it's normal, you don't see it not being normal. And I don't know if I should say this, but I was, I, I think 18 and one of my very good friends from Brazil was very open minded about sex. Which I found is so weird because in my culture we're not that open minded about sex. It's like women, you're not supposed to talk about sex. You're just supposed to lay down, carry babies and shut up. That's your job, right? So she was very open about sex. She was like, I'm dating this guy. Oh, I broke up with this guy. I'm with a new guy. I'm with this other new guy. I'm going on a date. And I, I thought that was so fascinating for me coming from my village where like you need to be home at 5. If you're 5:30 home. My mom would be too because where are you? You know, And I was in. And I, you know, I've already I'm halfway through. I just can't say it. Like, my mom would be like, did you. Did any boy touch you? You know, like open your legs, you know, and they would check because, yeah, if you're okay and stuff like that, you know. And. And so when she was so outgoing and she was so dating and I thought that was. Wow, people really do this. This is a different world, you know. And then she was talking about porn and she was like, yeah. And I was like, what the hell is that? So when I watched it and then I saw, oh, my body part doesn't look the same as these girls, you know.

[Natalie]

That's when you found out?

[Chanel Ion]

That's how I found out. I was like, oh, wow, it's so different. Then they hit my head and I was like, oh my God, this is so different from what I know because she had. Don't know how am I going too far back? She had lips and I don't have that. So I was like, oh my God, people like, why is so different? Then I was like, oh, then it. Because you block it when you're young, you know, and then everybody's normal around you. And then I was like, oh, shit, this is not normal. Because I had to go through again to the doctor to open it. And then I had my son, which was already another torture because you have to go through it. So basically, yeah, my father has been through a lot. I'm sorry I'm laughing, but it. But my coping mechanism. I always laugh at things. So. So that's why it's like so important for me to talk about it because I really especially six countries bringing it back. New York Times wrote about it recently that they're bringing it back. And it breaks my heart. Yeah, it really breaks my heart.

[Rob]

Yeah, I appreciate you bringing awareness to that because I didn't know the half of that.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, a lot of people don't know exist. And it's just worse to me, like is as child trafficking to me, it's really worse and people don't know about it because imagine. Do you have kids?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I have a daughter, one year old.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, see, she's safe. This is why I like, I want girls to be safe like that. That's my priority in life.

[Natalie]

After you found out, did you go back to your sisters? Did you have questions? Did you let them know?

[Chanel Ion]

So when I found out, I went, I was in Brazil, went back home and I was telling my cousins, you know, this is not normal. Like, why can't you Know, we're not allowed to talk to boys because of the dowy situation. And also in my culture, it's like they really talk, you know, and they can ruin your name by being like, oh, we saw her with a boy. And then immediately the whole village and the clans think like, oh my God, she's done something. Then you're losing your bank account for your family.

[Nick]

Right.

[Chanel Ion]

Because dow is so important, you know what I mean? Like my husband paid for dowry because it's, it's like in my custom. Yeah, it's a custom, you know? So when I went back, I told them, they were like, what do you mean it's not normal? I was like, yeah, I watch this like, what? That's haram because you're Muslim. Like that's not okay. But also you're mentioning you went, you're Catholic. I actually went to Catholic school.

[Nick]

Really?

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. It was my fun time ever in my life. Because I don't know if the Catholic schools in America are the same in America, the same as Africa. In Africa we dance in the church. In my culture you cannot really dance in front. So I've always done things that I'm not supposed to do. The father loved me so much that they would allow me to walk through the church and do things like. Cause I always wanted to be different with different things, you know? So yeah, it's definitely a fucked up situation. And I feel like that's my priority in life to bring awareness to it.

[Natalie]

And do you feel like the more awareness around it, it'll kind of put more pressure on them to stop doing it?

[Chanel Ion]

Yes, I feel like. So I feel like if I keep talking about it, maybe five people will listen to it. Maybe they will talk about because nobody knows about it. So I'm just like, if they talk about it, talk about, maybe more people will talk about. Maybe we'll save more girls together, right? Yeah. Because I feel like if by the time. Because the other day I woke up and I was like, oh my God, Ayan, you're going to be 16, 10 years. And I started to freak out at 3am I don't know why God would remind me that in the middle of the screen.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Chanel Ion]

You know, So I was like, why? You know, and I was like, but you haven't done enough, you know, so I need to do more. I need to do this. This is my priority in life. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, it is really brave of you to talk about it. Obviously it is something that like you even mentioned that you're kind of scared about and that people in your culture are scared about. So I do really applaud you for. For talking about that. Yeah, you.

[Chanel Ion]

You married a good one.

[Nick]

I have a great one.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, you did.

[Natalie]

Thank you. Are tweeting some funny things throughout. Traitor.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Are we still tweeting funny things? Have you stopped or.

[Chanel Ion]

No, no. So I. So I was mad, right? And they pissed me off. And honestly, I feel like they really take this job seriously.

[Natalie]

Yeah, they do.

[Chanel Ion]

Like, they really play this game seriously. Like, I want to see fun, you know, I think that's why when I died, they were like, ayaan. There was so much fun died when you left, you know, Chrishell was like, oh, my God, you were so fun. When you left, there was no fun. Did Dylan was like, you know, you were so fun. But I love my boy Dylan so much because I tweet a lot about him. Because before I left, I told him that Bob was the traitor. And then when I walked into the room, they had my name and babes. I literally bawled, crying. I literally went into like panic attack and cried because I was like, why am I dead? I don't deserve this. I've been entertaining all these people for free in this castle, you know? So I was like, I shouldn't die. But then I started telepathically to Dylan because I believe in telepathy. So I was just like in my room when I dad was like, dylan, talk about the drag queen. Dylan, please make sure he's dead. Dylan. Dylan.

[Natalie]

And you reached him.

[Chanel Ion]

It worked. Because the next day he was dead, you know, he was dead. And I was like, yes, it worked. You know, you gotta telepath to people when you have connection. It's all about connection. I was like, yeah, Dylan. I was like literally calling Dylan. And then he made it happen. And then when, of course, when he came from the traitors, we spoke for like, I think two hours almost. So he told me everything that happened. He's like, don't worry, I got you. I was so upset when you murdered. And I knew it was him. So I. First thing is, like, the first time I tried, didn't work. But the second time it worked and he's out, you know, And I was like, love him so much.

[Nick]

Were you sad about the Dubai not coming back?

[Chanel Ion]

So we were not told we're not coming back. To be honest. We were told. We were paused.

[Nick]

Is it like a logistical thing just because of Dubai being kind of so far away and just like different time zones or. Why do you think it has been.

[Chanel Ion]

Put on pause People online said when we were airing season two that we reminded them of the old Housewives. There was a lot of good reviews compared to New York Housewives. And my cousin is in New York Housewives.

[Nick]

Ask you about that. Yeah, so I want to ask you about that.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, you can ask me. So, you know, we got great reviews. We were doing fun things. You know, my cast members are really crazy and good. So honestly did not expect that call. Okay. Like, hey, guys, they've decided to put you guys on pause. But we never know, you know, didn't. Because I thought we were gonna start filming in a few weeks. Right. You know, because they were. They were talking to us like, what is your. What's going on with you in your life? And all that stuff, you know? And also, I. I feel like you guys didn't get to meet. You missed a lot of chats because, you know, we have, like, better Jen shy in our cast.

[Natalie]

Really.

[Chanel Ion]

Allegedly.

[Nick]

Allegedly.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah. So we had a lot of good things coming. We had a lot of strong storylines. There was so much that was gonna happen that you guys are missing out. And I just feel like.

[Nick]

Wanna move to New York.

[Chanel Ion]

My son is moving to New York. New York to college, you know?

[Nick]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe he wants his mom there. I. I just feel like UBA could really use me some kind. How is uba? Have you talked to UBA since?

[Chanel Ion]

Yes, I just talked to her two days ago. Was it two days ago? Yesterday. I told her I landed in New York, Louisiana. Don't even know where I am because I'm just like, I told her I'm here. She's good, she's better. The family's taking care of her. You know, I put her first. I knew what was going on, of course, everything. And I care that she's in a good mental place now. Like, she's. She's better. She's very forgiving. She's better than me. Let's just put it out there.

[Natalie]

There was a. A nice. Into the reunion moment that they had between her and Bryn. So, yeah, you know, that it was definitely forgiving.

[Nick]

I felt like it was Uba being the bigger person, though. Definitely.

[Natalie]

100%.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, of course, of course. Of course. It takes the bigger person to do the bigger thing when they're not even wrong. Yeah, right. That speaks volumes.

[Nick]

I would like to see you on Rony.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, wow.

[Natalie]

Oh, wow.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, well, like, oh, wow, maybe I might.

[Natalie]

No, no, no, not oh, wow.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

[Natalie]

Oh, wow.

[Chanel Ion]

No, like, like, I might go. Maybe I Will go film scene with my cousin. Maybe I'll have fun with her. Maybe if she has an event, I'll show up.

[Nick]

And you're obviously excellent television. We. We didn't get quite near enough of you on Traders.

[Chanel Ion]

You think I'm good at television? Aw, thank you.

[Nick]

Look, we're becoming friends, you know, you're good television.

[Chanel Ion]

I am the best television. There's no one like me in Housewives.

[Natalie]

It's true.

[Chanel Ion]

You're your. There's no one like me. And I'm saying that out of, like, good heart, not like, some of them are the same from different shows. They're literally the same characters you can find. But me, no, no. Yeah. There's no one, like, never anyone like me he's ever seen on Housewife.

[Nick]

Yeah, you're great.

[Natalie]

You're one of one.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's so good to have you.

[Chanel Ion]

I loved this.

[Nick]

Come back, please come back on the show whenever you're back in town. Or maybe we can do it remotely or something. But don't be a stranger.

[Chanel Ion]

Yes, I would love.

[Natalie]

If you're in Idaho, you can.

[Nick]

And anytime, anytime you want to bully me in my DMs, please feel free.

[Chanel Ion]

I know. That was so funny, though.

[Nick]

I was a little disappointed you unsent them after I called you out on it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chanel Ion]

I understand them. Because I felt like, you know what that was?

[Nick]

That was our memory. That was our beginning of our relationship.

[Chanel Ion]

I sent them because I was like. I started to research you and then I found out you. You have a beautiful wife. Then I was like, he's grown and she's taking. You know, she's made him grown and she's very pretty, so she's doing a great job. Thank you.

[Natalie]

That's why I was trying.

[Nick]

I'm trying just, you know, be careful what you believe on the Internet.

[Chanel Ion]

I'm just saying you're doing great. But no, but honestly, I'm so happy to have met you. I was really looking forward forward to this. That's why I asked you if you live in la, because I knew, like, you have a podcast. And I was like, maybe I should go. My sister actually told me about you. My sister, Ifra. She was like, if you're going to LA for traitors, maybe you should meet. Reach out to Nick V. He has a very good podcast, so you should do it. So that's why I went to you. And I was like, do you live in la? Because I was coming to la, so that was the reason.

[Nick]

And then I discovered.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, then that's when messages. Yeah, yeah. Then he's like, oh my God. Yeah. But now we're friends and you called.

[Nick]

Me the hottest man in America. So like we can.

[Chanel Ion]

Yeah, in America. I was like, wow. Yes. Yeah. Really, really gorgeous.

[Natalie]

And he has a really big dick.

[Lauren]

Jesus Christ.

[Chanel Ion]

Oh my God. I love that for you, girl, because you're so hot too. Oh my God. I would watch you guys. Okay, goodbye.

[Nick]

Get out of here. Bye. What a dream. I just don't remember anyone calling me the best looking guy in America.

[Natalie]

I, I've called you that. I mean, every morning when you wake up, I say you were the most.

[Nick]

Forgot I wasn't listening.

[Dylan]

I've told you guys you need to watch Dubai and one of the reasons is Chanel, I'm upset watching a little.

[Nick]

Bit and then like the season wrapped and then pause. Yeah, I really think Dubai so far. Just wondering if she would do other tv.

[Dylan]

You can fly me out. I'll go to Dubai.

[Wells]

I could see you in Dubai.

[Nick]

Have you ever been?

[Dylan]

No, but my roommates are in Dubai, so I know a lot of the customs.

[Nick]

Your roommates are in Dubai?

[Dylan]

No, from Dubai she was in my house.

[Natalie]

Apartment roommate.

[Nick]

I, I.

[Wells]

Your long distance roommate.

[Nick]

I want to get on a plane that has a cabin.

[Natalie]

No, I want to get on a plane that has a shower.

[Dylan]

Both.

[Natalie]

Not that I would use it, but.

[Nick]

Did she say there's a shower?

[Dylan]

Yeah, outside of the cabin.

[Natalie]

Smith went and took a shower on Emirates.

[Nick]

I want to go to Dubai just to go on that plane.

[Rob]

Do you remember in New York Housewives when Jaisal's husband got a lot of shit because he about his like points, but he takes the flight to Bahrain to like get a certain sandwich or whatever, but to like up his points. The actual flight is like a hotel. It's like like gourmet food. They have like a full on like living room for you to hang out with for your personal. Yeah, like a full bed to lay down in. We gotta do this like it's twenty thousand dollar ticket.

[Natalie]

Oh my God. At some point in our lives, manifestating. We will be on Emirates at some point.

[Wells]

Manifest.

[Nick]

At least, at least it's an experience.

[Natalie]

Listen. Manifestating.

[Nick]

Manifestating.

[Wells]

Let's start.

[Rob]

You gotta get out of, get out of row 50 first.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I have to get to row one before I get to Emirates.

[Nick]

So thank you to our guest, Chanel, Ion and Lauren from Love is Blind. Also, if you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode everyone's talking about, it's an absolute doozy. You, you will be clinched. Just soaking up all the the conversation. So if you are not privy to that interview yet, be sure to go ahead and listen to it right now. You will not regret it. We will see you next week for another explode fun episode. Of all the things that we do. We'll see you then. Bye.