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Nick Viall
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Dylan Efron
You're crazy.
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Nick Viall
Dylan. Welcome to the Volfiles, man.
- [02:36]
Dylan Efron
It's an honor to be here.
- [02:38]
Nick Viall
So excited to have you. Congratulations on being one of the winners of Traders.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah, it was a weird ending, but I honestly, like, that was the best way to end it with people. We. We were all on the same team at the end of the day, so.
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Nick Viall
I feel like we're. We're actually recording this before the actual finale airs. So we don't. We're not aware of what, like, public aud like reactions will be. I think it'll be mostly universally loved. They'll always be the people kind of roll their eyes because they want, like, drama. They want the drama. They want some. They want someone to really screw someone over at the end, you know?
- [03:13]
Dylan Efron
Totally. Bob Harper said that. He's like, Dylan, you made a massive mistake. He's like, this is a drama show. Like, you needed to cut throats at the end.
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Nick Viall
And do you think that, like. Well, I guess whether it's you or anyone else of your cast, had any one of those people decided to, like, if we were traitorous, would they would have been the individual winner?
- [03:33]
Dylan Efron
So no, the. If a faithful wins, it has to be two faithfuls at the end. And we definitely all had a strategy just in case, because at the end you throw stones. So if one of us throws a red stone, we have to vote someone off. So we were doing all the math and being like, all right, like, who are we going to vote first? And like, so we were very prepared in case someone threw a redstone. But sure enough, we all threw green first try.
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Nick Viall
What was the plan? In case.
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Dylan Efron
What was the plan? I don't remember exactly, but I think the plan was to end with me and Gabby and who knows if Gabby had the same plan. I did, but that was my plan at least.
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Nick Viall
And why?
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Dylan Efron
Because by that time, Gabby was so Brittany had the seer ability. She proved that Gabby was a faithful. I also had come to the same conclusion. So she was. In the end, the person I trusted most, Dolores, had some red flags. Again, like, I trusted Dolores and Ivor, but they both had a few red flags where it's like, if you're trying to remove any chance that you're going to lose this game, the smart thing is to. To get rid of them both. Like, Dolores voting History was pretty all over the place. She had Danielle's. She had Danielle's back. Like, there was. There's enough reason to vote Dolores out. And same with Ivor. So I'm happy we ended it. Like, I didn't want to go there, but if we were forced to, we would have.
- [04:53]
Nick Viall
Okay.
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Dylan Efron
And who knows, Gabby might have chopped me off first.
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Nick Viall
Did you ever ask?
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Dylan Efron
I haven't, no.
- [05:00]
Nick Viall
It would have been interesting if Gabby would have.
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Dylan Efron
Honestly, I was loyal to you as.
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Nick Viall
You would have been to her.
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Dylan Efron
Honestly, I'm shocked she was as loyal as she was because you can see in the edit, like, I was all over her. Like, I was. I was a thorn in her side from the beginning, thinking she was a traitor.
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Nick Viall
Do you think part of it had to do with the, like, all the finalists not being gamers? And I feel like if, like last season it was.
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Dylan Efron
Oh, I can tell you. Yeah, a gamer would not have ended it with the four of us. It just makes no sense. You get more money. Like, it makes no sense.
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Nick Viall
Yeah. With tc.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah. Ct. Ct. But people were pissed about MJ getting the boot, so it's.
- [05:36]
Nick Viall
Well, yeah, you're always going to piss off somebody and, like, you definitely are going to get some comments about, like, you kind of being dirty.
- [05:42]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. I think at the end, it really did feel like we were a team at the end and we were just trying to get the traders out. I mean, like, not.
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Nick Viall
Not to diminish, you know, the amount of money that you could have won had you taking it all by yourself. But, like, I guess in your place, you're thinking, like, I don't know, hundred grand or like everyone thinking I'm kind of slimy.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
And kind of shady. You know, like, I'll.
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Dylan Efron
It's like, let's do that math. Let's say that I got Dolores out next and then we ended with three of us. So we would have split 50k three ways. I would have got, like, I don't know, the pot was 50k, 50k each. So if we got rid of Dolores, we would added 50k more to the three of our winnings. 18k maybe. So, like, I would just ruin my lifelong relationship with Dolores for 18k after.
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Nick Viall
Taxes, that's like $9,000.
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Dylan Efron
There's no way it's worth it.
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Natalie Joy
A lifelong friendship with Dolores.
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Dylan Efron
I love Dolores. I don't want that to be the end. And she told me, she's like, dil, you murder me.
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Nick Viall
All right, well, let's put a pause on trader's talk. I want to come Back to that. But I also like, I'm just really excited to have you on because similar to when we had the opportunity interview.
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Dylan Efron
Sam. Sam, I listen, I listen to the podcast.
- [06:56]
Nick Viall
You know, it's just like, like I told him, like, everyone knows who you are, but no one really knows who you are. Like, obviously everyone knows who your brother is and you know, he's a big deal and he's super famous. And before you went on the show, like I, I was aware of who you were. You know, I remember, you know, like the other once in a while it's just like Zach Efron's brother. Oh, he's tall, you know, like, you know, and so there's this like, this kind of, there's been this fascination with you like that stem from obviously your brother's notoriety and things like that. But we don't, you know, it's like it was all this from that point, just a lot of speculation. You know, kind of like similar to Sam, it's like you, you knew the person existed, but you really, you never really heard from them, got to know their personality. If you didn't watch your and Zach's documentary, it was this again, just a lot of like you were just more Zac Efron's brother. But now I feel like there's like you are, you're Dylan, you know, and you've, you've become like the star of the show and there's a lot of like interest and I'm, I'm excited to get to know you better and find out who Dylan Efron really is.
- [07:55]
Dylan Efron
Thank you. That's. Everything was really nice, but I think that's look, I one going back to like being known as Zac Efron's brother. Like I've always said that's a badge I wear with honor. Like I was, I was raised that way. Like Zach got famous at a young age.
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Nick Viall
How, how old were you?
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Dylan Efron
So Zach was probably 17 when he was famous, like worldwide famous. So that means I would have been 12.
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Nick Viall
Okay.
- [08:20]
Dylan Efron
And before that he's my 4 year old bigger brother who's in high school and I'm in middle school. He's already cool. Like I thought he was the coolest person my whole life. So then like, of course America's gonna fall in love with him. Like so like I've got, I've been blessed that for all of his success and, and the fact that he endorses me as my brother and has always included me on stuff like growing up, I got to see some of the Coolest things. Like, I got exposed to Hollywood in the best way. Like, I saw the pitfalls, I saw the cool red carpets. Like, I saw it all and was able to watch it from a distance. And I realized at a young age, like, I don't want fame. I don't want to make the most money and live in the nicest house in Hollywood. Like, that's not my goal. So I had that perspective at a young age through my brother.
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Nick Viall
And then you, you became a production coordinator.
- [09:09]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
What was it? Ready, player one?
- [09:12]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
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Nick Viall
The accountant. That's kind of cool.
- [09:14]
Dylan Efron
It was. I worked on some cool movies.
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Nick Viall
How did you end up starting. Starting doing that or like, for people who don't know, that's like real. That's grunt work. Yeah. You're. You're getting coffees, you're working shitty hours, you're being, you're just, you're doing tasks for other people. Like, that's like, that's like a, like a summer college job. Like in a. In, in. In like real fucking, like character building work. Like, what made you. And shitty pay, usually.
- [09:41]
Dylan Efron
And I think that, like, you know when people always say, like, you've never worked a service job, like, if you were ever a busboy or like anything like that, it makes, you can tell the people who have because how they treat people that work those jobs. And it's like, like I. I was a busboy in high school. Like, I've been a PA on a film set. Like, I know how these productions get. Like, I don't know. I. I've been there. So I, I think it's a fun perspective for me to see how films are made from every scale in a way. So. Yeah, I guess taking a step back, I was, I graduated college. I was going to move to Sacramento and work Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.
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Nick Viall
What was your major?
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Dylan Efron
Business.
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Nick Viall
Okay.
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Dylan Efron
And then minored in economics. I had some fun there. Like, I, I did bull riding as a class.
- [10:24]
Nick Viall
How, how much did you take advantage, if at all of being, you know, not much. Younger brother?
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Dylan Efron
Not much. Like, I had a girlfriend. Okay. Yeah. Not. I look at. I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but, like, my whole life I, I do feel like I've. People have treated me really nicely and maybe that's because of Zach. Maybe.
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Nick Viall
Like, you have nice eyes too and a good smile.
- [10:50]
Dylan Efron
No, like, it goes back to even elementary school. Like, I, I used to think that maybe I was a little special because of people. Like, special in a way that I would have to go to special reading classes and stuff. Like, I did have to go to special reading classes, but I was like, maybe that's why people are nice to me, is because I'm, like, off.
- [11:07]
Nick Viall
No one ever gives me, you know.
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Dylan Efron
Like, yeah, I think. I think I have a lot of that stuff. I think I have ADD a little things. Yeah. I was really good at math, so they would actually take me up for gate, which was, like, gifted kids for math. And then they'd give me the boot and put me in special reading classes. That was me.
- [11:27]
Nick Viall
I was really good at math. And they're like, this kid doesn't know where commas go. Can't spell either. It's the complete opposite.
- [11:35]
Dylan Efron
That was a tangent.
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Nick Viall
And then. All right, sorry. Graduation from college.
- [11:40]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, graduated from college. And then I got a job at Warner Brothers. I interned for this producer named Ravi Maida, and he just took me under his wing. So I started as, like, a trainee, a pa. I became, like, his assistant. Then I became a production coordinator. And my last movie was A Star Is Born. So, like, some of these movies, like Chips with Dax Shepard and A Star Is Born, like, I was there on set in Video Village, like, getting to see these movies filmed and, like, a part of this crew. So it was such a cool perspective for me.
- [12:13]
Nick Viall
Did you get a chance to interact with, like, Bradley Cooper or, any of, you know, the accountant with Ben Affleck? Yeah.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah, mostly, like, I would say Chips was one of the highlights for me, like, because Dax Shepard just became, like, a friend, and he was so cool to see. Like, he really filmed that movie to just have fun with his friends, and it felt like that with the crew. Like, he was just laughing, smiling every day on set. So I really enjoyed that movie. And A Star Is Born was just like, Bradley Cooper's just a professional. He's so, like, we knew that was going to win some awards, and it was cool to be a part of. But I think my issue and why I left was, one, I was 26, and everybody else at Warner Brothers with my same job was in their mid-40s, late-40s. So I could just see this, like, future of myself sitting in this desk, not enjoying life. So, like, kind of like, where do.
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Nick Viall
I go from here?
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Dylan Efron
Exactly. So that was probably the biggest reason I left. And then I was kind of just like, frustrated with the Hollywood movies that cost 20 million to make and had all this waste. Like, I was like, dude, we could film this with our friends for, like, with crew of 10 people and make something awesome. So I. I left and started doing YouTube.
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Nick Viall
Oh, wow. Yeah. No, I've. You know, being on set, you definitely learn a lot and things like that. I remember I was on set for something and they brought out, like, this magazine as a prop. And then they were. And someone, like, someone maybe in production was like, you know, how much this cost? You know, and it was like hundreds of dollars. And it was like. It was like, it was garbage. It was an old magazine. But because, like, of all the rules and SAG and yada, yada, like, it had to be like a certain prop and then that, you know, it gets inflated and. Yeah, it's a lot of hidden costs. There is the production of all these.
- [13:50]
Dylan Efron
A lot of waste, a lot of sitting around. It's not as glamorous as people think.
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Natalie Joy
So how did down to Earth come about? I remember when Nick saw your tagline on Traders, he was like, oh, that's so nice.
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Dylan Efron
I remember being like, down to Earth.
- [14:02]
Nick Viall
Does seem down to Earth. Like, w. She's like, no, that was.
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Dylan Efron
The show that came, like, at the time. Again, this is a while ago, but I was running Zach's YouTube channel. We were coming up with different show ideas. And the original down to Earth idea was me and Zach traveling together. And I think we both came to the conclusion I wasn't ready for that role really, at that time. I wasn't ready to be his co host on down to Earth. So I ended up actually introducing him to Darren Olian and that just like, took off. It was like, oh, they. They hit it off. This is the right move. I'll be a producer. And we just started filming down to Earth and it was like the first of its kind, really. It was like it was a new genre. And that, again, that was fun for me. It was like a small crew of 12 people. We traveled all over the world.
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Natalie Joy
And what made you feel like you weren't ready to be his co host?
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Dylan Efron
I think the same reason that I haven't done any reality shows till now is like, I'm not my brother. He was. He was on stage performing it at 12. Like, I was playing sports and being an idiot. Like, I. I didn't become comfortable with myself till my 30s and, like, I never wanted to be in the public eye. So I think just like, the more I did social media and realized, like, I am putting myself out there and this is who I am and I've got nothing to be afraid of, I started to gain more confidence.
- [15:23]
Natalie Joy
Is there any. And, you know, maybe there's, you know, a lot of people live with no regrets or whatever. But is there any, like, envy from either of y'all sides for, like, the life you live? Maybe it's like, the childhood you have. Like, did he ever wish he could just, like, go and play football with his friends and not be on stage and not be performing and, like, vice versa?
- [15:41]
Dylan Efron
I'm sure. I think it would go both ways. Like, at the end of the day, like, Zach and I are still brothers. We still fight about a lot of stuff. We like it. And I think that we have little small jealousies of each other.
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Nick Viall
We're both competitive.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah. Super competitive.
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Nick Viall
So at what point did you realize that you were going to be taller than him?
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Dylan Efron
Pretty early. Like, I was he pissed. Yeah, he was like, he was small for his age, and I was really tall for my age. And then there was. So there was a time when I'm like, maybe 10 and Zach's 14. We were the same height. And then he hit puberty and, like, got buff and stuff, and I was left in the dust. Pretty soon I caught up.
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Natalie Joy
So it's like, different, obviously, with girls, but I have a vivid memory of my sister and her friends being like, don't worry, like, she'll never have as big as boobs as you. I like, one day was like, ah, here I am, bitch. Back to down to earth. So that it started on YouTube and then where did I watch it on?
- [16:39]
Dylan Efron
No. So that was a Netflix one.
- [16:40]
Natalie Joy
Yeah.
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Dylan Efron
When we originally pitched the project, it was from kind of our YouTube ideation of, like, how about we do a travel show? Like, let's tie in sustainability. Like, let's actually try to, like, have fun traveling, but also see if we can make a minor improvement in the world. And yeah, we didn't think it was going to be anything big. And then it became Netflix number one. Like, we were all shocked. Like, I was on a road trip when it came out, and I see it's number one and trending. I was like, holy shit.
- [17:06]
Nick Viall
Like, because you never really know. No, we had so much there, you know, it's just like, it was be number one on Netflixes.
- [17:13]
Dylan Efron
And yeah, I. I think, like, that type of storytellings that, like, we want to do something similar this upcoming year. We have a project in mind.
- [17:20]
Nick Viall
So I'm always fascinated with people around your age who. Who acknowledge or just kind of say things like you just said earlier about, like, not really being comfortable with yourself until, like, 30 or late 20s. I. I very much relate to that. I remember being, like, 28 and going through, like, a pivotal experience A breakup of a relationship. And looking back when I was like in my early 30s and kind of realizing like, wow, I didn't really know it. I, like that was like, like I felt like I was an adult when I became 28. Not like, you know, because of like I went through.
- [17:52]
Dylan Efron
Absolutely.
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Nick Viall
Is there any, like, what moments in your life, in adult life were pivotal for you where you feel like you, you maybe learned some tough lessons or that were transformative that really can't. Maybe you had to go through it shook you up. You know, for me it was like a relationship, couple relationships with a couple different girls that were like emotionally just kind of me up and I had to, you know, learn about like what role I played or, you know. And yeah, at first it's just like you're a victim of, you know, you know, when you're, when you're, when you're down bad, it's always like, how could this happen to me? And I think part of being adult was the willingness to reflect about like, yeah, I can still be hurt, but I, I can simultaneously be upset and hurt and, and feel wrong and, and still be willing to like, look in the mirror and, and figure out what I can learn from this. Like, do you have any moments like that that you felt were kind of pivotal, defining moments in adult life?
- [18:44]
Dylan Efron
It's, it's tough. Like I, my, my life hasn't been all a cakewalk. There's definitely been some really challenging things that have happened in our family and stuff. So like, I think all of that has prepped me in a good way and I think I've always had a good head on my shoulder. My insecurity was more of like just being comfortable as who I am and putting it out there online, if anything. So like maybe just that deep seated fear of, of seeing the fame that my brother had and not wanting to step there and stuff like that. So I can't say there's anything in particular, but I, I feel like, yeah, I've always, I've always been. Had a pretty level head in that way.
- [19:22]
Nick Viall
What's, what's your love life like these days?
- [19:24]
Dylan Efron
I, I've. I'm in a relationship.
- [19:26]
Nick Viall
Okay, that's real bummer for all your fans.
- [19:29]
Dylan Efron
No, it's, it's cool because she, she's actually not on social media and she works a 40 hour week job. Like it's, it's cool.
- [19:37]
Nick Viall
When did you guys meet?
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Dylan Efron
Um, originally in high school. We're from the same hometown. Of course. She. So it's high school sweetheart. It Works out really well. Like, it's not like I'm hiding her from the world or anything. Like, she understands the job, like, all that stuff. She doesn't really like being on camera. She loves your guys's podcast. I wouldn't know about it. Yeah, she's the one that introduced me.
- [20:00]
Nick Viall
Love that. When did you. What are your tattoos from?
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Dylan Efron
Just different times I've traveled. Just spur the moment. Like, this was supposed to be a free tattoo in Malta. I was gonna get on my leg, and then it turned into this. And then this was in Costa Rica. This was the first tattoo I ever got. But I just. I wanted something, like, feminine in a way, because I thought tattoos are so masculine looking that I was like, I'll get flowers.
- [20:24]
Nick Viall
Yeah. A lot of my tattoos, I realized it's like, I don't have a cross, a skull bone, and of butterflies and. See a puppy dog.
- [20:31]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. See a butterfly? It's good. It bounces it out.
- [20:34]
Nick Viall
I wasn't thinking feminine, and I just more got them. I'm like, oh, shit, this is who I am.
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Natalie Joy
That does make sense.
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Nick Viall
When did you start getting tattoos?
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Dylan Efron
Probably like, 26, 27. I always wanted them growing up. I always thought they were cool. You know what the best part about getting a tattoo is? Like, if you've ever wanted a tattoo, it's so easy to get talked out of them. Like, your parents will say, it's, don't do it. You can't get work, you can't get jobs. There's so many reasons to never do it. But once you actually go through, you sit in that chair for a couple hours, you book the reservation, it's like, so gratifying to be like, wow, I did it like, something I wanted to do. I just did.
- [21:09]
Nick Viall
Yeah. I mean, I've enjoyed the kind of like, you, like, reminders or, you know, reminders of family members. They're. They meet, they're. They're meaningful things. But, yeah, like, I mean, I didn't get them until I was 40. Yeah, it was mostly because. Mostly, like, just I was working in corporate America, and then I. You know, and then I was like. I felt like I was too old to get them or something. And then I met Natalie, and she kind of gave me a privilege.
- [21:32]
Natalie Joy
You're not too old.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah, definitely not.
- [21:33]
Natalie Joy
Let's do it. Our mutual friend Shug said that you. And I'm gonna say, like, what it is wrong, but you, like, tie a rope to two mountains, and you, like, free walk or something.
- [21:44]
Dylan Efron
Highlining.
- [21:45]
Natalie Joy
Highlining. That's crazy. How did you. It's like, isn't it? You tie a rope.
- [21:51]
Dylan Efron
It's like. It's called highlining. It's like slacklining between two mountains. So, like, you're way up in the sky and you're pretty much tightrope walking.
- [21:58]
Nick Viall
And is there safety measures?
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Dylan Efron
There are.
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Nick Viall
Okay.
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Dylan Efron
Same with rock climbing. Like, most of the time, these. These activities are safe. They look really scary and they. They are dangerous in a way, but if you're doing them right, they shouldn't be dangerous.
- [22:10]
Nick Viall
Gotcha. Yeah. Driving's dangerous.
- [22:12]
Dylan Efron
Yes, exactly.
- [22:12]
Nick Viall
Right.
- [22:13]
Natalie Joy
But it's like, it's based on balance, right?
- [22:15]
Dylan Efron
I mean, you have to be based on balance. A lot of it's exhausting being out there. Like, you have. You have to pull yourself up. You have to. It's a. It was one of the harder sports I've ever learned, that's for sure.
- [22:25]
Natalie Joy
What made you want to learn that?
- [22:26]
Dylan Efron
I'm big into rock climbing. And, like, I remember being a kid on a hike, seeing people rock climb was like, damn, I want to do that someday again. All of a sudden I'm of age and I'm like, what's holding me back from that fast forward? I'm out there rock climbing, and I see highlanders, and I'm like, damn, I want to do that someday.
- [22:42]
Nick Viall
Have you ever met Dean Uglert?
- [22:44]
Dylan Efron
No.
- [22:44]
Nick Viall
Do you know who Dean Ugler is?
- [22:45]
Dylan Efron
That's a great name.
- [22:46]
Nick Viall
He was on the Bachelorette. One of the more famous contestants. Very attractive man like yourself. Big rock climber. Big, big traveler. Big. Also doesn't advocate for daily showers.
- [23:03]
Dylan Efron
Oh, here we go. Do I stink right now?
- [23:07]
Nick Viall
For anyone listening, he smells. Well, you don't. I didn't.
- [23:11]
Dylan Efron
I swear him today. So I got. The chlorine just killed everything.
- [23:13]
Natalie Joy
Thank God for the chlorine.
- [23:16]
Nick Viall
Chlorine. What. What is up with you against daily showers?
- [23:20]
Dylan Efron
No. All right. I need to clear. Some parts were cut out of that interview. Shower. A day is okay. I was saying that people shower too much. And, like, I don't think every time we shower, we need to scrub our whole bodies and clean our shins with soap. Like. Sure, yeah. Like you. You clean all six cracks and then you're. You're good.
- [23:40]
Nick Viall
I can shower in 60 seconds if I need.
- [23:43]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, totally.
- [23:44]
Nick Viall
Six.
- [23:45]
Natalie Joy
Six cracks.
- [23:46]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. What are the six? You don't know six?
- [23:49]
Natalie Joy
What are the six?
- [23:50]
Dylan Efron
You're the dirty one over here.
- [23:52]
Natalie Joy
Whoa.
- [23:53]
Nick Viall
One. Are we go. Are we sides?
- [23:58]
Dylan Efron
I just.
- [24:00]
Natalie Joy
Where are these six going?
- [24:02]
Nick Viall
I count five.
- [24:03]
Natalie Joy
Okay.
- [24:04]
Dylan Efron
Armpits. There's like, three. Okay.
- [24:06]
Nick Viall
So you might have six.
- [24:08]
Natalie Joy
So you do.
- [24:08]
Nick Viall
This is getting weird.
- [24:09]
Natalie Joy
So you do shower?
- [24:10]
Dylan Efron
I do shower. I. The.
- [24:13]
Natalie Joy
You just don't love soap that much.
- [24:15]
Dylan Efron
That. That might be. I. I'm not soaping myself crazy every day. Like, I. I'll clean it. I'm not dirty. I'm okay with being dirty. Like, I love camping. I love all that stuff.
- [24:24]
Natalie Joy
Yeah.
- [24:25]
Dylan Efron
When I'm home, I'm clean. But, like, so, like, I love going in the ocean. I'll, like, rinse off after going in the ocean, but I don't think I need a whole nother soap fest after that.
- [24:34]
Natalie Joy
You don't feel like you need to, like, wash all the salt off. You're kind of like, oh, well, that.
- [24:37]
Dylan Efron
Happens if I just rinse off. Right.
- [24:39]
Natalie Joy
For sure.
- [24:39]
Dylan Efron
But I don't. I'm losing the smile. So, like, I. I showered this morning, went to the pool and then like. Like, showered off in the little.
- [24:49]
Nick Viall
Showered and then went to the pool.
- [24:50]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, See, I'm. I'm showering a lot these days.
- [24:53]
Nick Viall
Yeah.
- [24:56]
Dylan Efron
I was like, it's sunny out. I'm gonna go swim. But yeah, so I woke up and showered, believe it or not.
- [25:02]
Nick Viall
Like a. Like your pool?
- [25:04]
Dylan Efron
No, like, the one in my gym.
- [25:05]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [25:06]
Dylan Efron
Yes. But then after I did that right in front of the camera, scratching. It's okay.
- [25:13]
Nick Viall
We'll cut to the closer.
- [25:14]
Dylan Efron
Okay. Yeah. So then, like. Yeah, after the buoy. Get over here. After the pool, I just, like, use the public shower right there. Rinsed the chlorine off in a way. I still smell like chlorine. I'm sure.
- [25:26]
Natalie Joy
Did you grow up outside and doing a bunch of swimming and hiking and all that kind of stuff?
- [25:31]
Dylan Efron
Definitely.
- [25:32]
Natalie Joy
Did you grow up in la?
- [25:33]
Dylan Efron
No, I grew up in San Luis Obispo. Okay, so it's. That's what you do there.
- [25:36]
Nick Viall
Is that in California?
- [25:37]
Dylan Efron
It's in California. Like, Pismo Beach. Have you been to Santa Barbara? It's very similar to that.
- [25:42]
Natalie Joy
It sounds like you're just saying, like, you're, like, mumbling words together. Sandwiches.
- [25:47]
Nick Viall
Here we go. Yeah, There. Cool.
- [25:50]
Natalie Joy
Okay. So you grew up there, and you grew up doing all of this stuff. So this isn't a new thing that you just picked up.
- [25:55]
Dylan Efron
No, it's definitely, like, been always outdoorsy and it's what. Yeah, we didn't have many options. It was a small town. We grew up in, like, I'd say on the weekends, people would show up to the movie theaters. There'd be, like, fights. You'd hang out with girls. It was like. There wasn't anything to do. So my friends and I would, like, road trip. We'd go rock climb. We'd go out and just get out of our little town.
- [26:17]
Natalie Joy
What extreme sport do you want to try next?
- [26:20]
Dylan Efron
I really want to get my skydive license. Just. I've been skydiving a ton, but I always have a guy on my back. They're always creepy. It's always weird.
- [26:30]
Nick Viall
They're always trying to fuck your girlfriend. You know, it's just like.
- [26:33]
Dylan Efron
I just don't. And then it's like. I don't know, you see, like, the people that do it solo, they've got, like, helmets and they're doing cool stuff. Like. Like, I'm honestly just like, should we take classes together? Oh, I'm super down.
- [26:44]
Nick Viall
I've only sky dove once. It was an amazing time. Natalie and I were gonna skydive together for my friend Peter's 40th birthday party, but weather did not cooperate, so we ended up not going.
- [26:55]
Natalie Joy
I'm pretty sure Dean is like. He does it by himself.
- [26:57]
Nick Viall
Dean. Also, you guys have a lot in common, for sure. But, yeah, I'll. I'll. I'll.
- [27:05]
Dylan Efron
Let's do it. Honestly, it's. It's one of those things again, it's like. Like skydiving safe. Like. Like, they. They have so many backup ways. I don't know that. Yeah, yeah.
- [27:14]
Nick Viall
The. When the one time I went skydiving, we obviously had, like, a million questions and, you know, like, what's it feel like if you never skydive before? Like, you feel like it's like a roller coaster. And it doesn't feel like that because you're already flying. I don't know how many miles per hour when you jump off the plane. So it doesn't feel like you're falling at all. It just feels like you're flying, which is cool. But then you, like. Yeah, I remember asking them, and they were just saying, like, like, you know, like, safer than driving. And like, the only time you really have skydiving accidents is when you have, like, the extreme sport guys, like, doing tricks and testing certain limits. But if you kind of play by the rules and pull the chute when you're supposed to pull it, like, it's a relatively safe activity.
- [27:54]
Dylan Efron
And that. I think that's. That's what draws me to a lot of these sports is, like, there's rational fear and irrational fear, and so much of it is irrational fear. It's like, you see someone skydiving, you're like, oh, my God, he's falling out of an airplane and you, you have those worries like, what if I hit the ground? What if I do all these. That's all irrational. Like once you actually know the equipment, know you have a backup shoot, know, like what to do. Like, the margin of error is super small. So I like conquering that.
- [28:21]
Nick Viall
Knowing the difference between like danger and fear.
- [28:24]
Dylan Efron
Exactly. So I love conquering that fear.
- [28:27]
Nick Viall
Getting to know you from this, watching this show, I got the impression that you are like many people who listen to this show, a huge reality TV fan. Fan.
- [28:36]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [28:36]
Nick Viall
Is that accurate?
- [28:37]
Dylan Efron
I am, yeah.
- [28:38]
Nick Viall
What shows? Like, first of all, how did you get into reality TV as a fan and what have been some of your favorite shows?
- [28:44]
Dylan Efron
Survivor was the day one. Like, I, I watched all the old school survivors and quite a few of the new seasons as well. So when I showed up to the castle, it was a bunch of like the all time best survivor players. I was like, holy. Like if I played Survivor now, it'd be with a bunch of strangers. But here I am in a castle playing with like my childhood heroes. Like, that was pretty cool. And I'd seen all of their seasons. So yeah, Survivor was definitely my first dabble into it. And then, yeah, my girlfriend just watches a lot of them too. So, like I'll just be sitting down all of a sudden. I've watched a whole episode of Southern charm. It's like there's some funny that goes down in this stuff. So.
- [29:23]
Natalie Joy
So she got you to watch reality tv. Does she participate in your extreme sports?
- [29:28]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I just posted something of us rock climbing Joshua Tree. She's a trooper. What about us?
- [29:35]
Natalie Joy
Damn.
- [29:35]
Nick Viall
Are you team Craig or team Paige?
- [29:38]
Dylan Efron
This is Southern charm.
- [29:40]
Nick Viall
Partly, partly.
- [29:41]
Dylan Efron
Oh.
- [29:41]
Nick Viall
Oh, yeah.
- [29:44]
Dylan Efron
I'm team Paige. Paige.
- [29:45]
Nick Viall
All right.
- [29:46]
Dylan Efron
Are you not?
- [29:47]
Nick Viall
I mean, I know Paige, but I know Craig. So I mean, I'm rooting for them both. They broke up. But like, I'm.
- [29:54]
Dylan Efron
That's fine. You just took the Switzerland approach. Yeah.
- [29:58]
Natalie Joy
He put you on the spot.
- [29:59]
Dylan Efron
I love them both. Barely watch these shows.
- [30:03]
Nick Viall
The narrative that's online. I, I don't agree with Paige. I agree with Craig.
- [30:09]
Dylan Efron
See, I, I don't even know the narrative, so I should. I'm not the right answer. I just know. I think Paige answer. Paige is friends with Sierra, right?
- [30:17]
Nick Viall
Yeah, she is.
- [30:17]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [30:18]
Natalie Joy
So yes. Oh, yeah.
- [30:19]
Dylan Efron
That's my loyalty.
- [30:20]
Nick Viall
Sierra mad at me because I was. I, I had West's back a little bit during in their drama, so I.
- [30:28]
Dylan Efron
Think she's a little be in Switzerland again.
- [30:31]
Nick Viall
I was not. You weren't no, I definitely was not.
- [30:36]
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- [33:48]
Dylan Efron
So I, I'd watch Traders. I watched us season two and my fear was that there wasn't that much strategy. Like, I love strategy. I love just, yeah, I don't know. I love trying to think outside the box.
- [34:00]
Natalie Joy
Were you proved wrong?
- [34:01]
Dylan Efron
Well, so then I started watching more because I, I had heard that I might have a chance to be on the show. So I'm like, oh, all right, let's do some research. So I watched like all the UK seasons. I watched the Australia season. I definitely watched more than anyone on that show. So I, I've seen the game play out in a bunch of different ways.
- [34:18]
Nick Viall
Do you think that kind of getting back to Traders, do you think that helped you? Did it, do you think that benefited you or was it ended up being just a lot of TV that you.
- [34:29]
Dylan Efron
It definitely benefited me. Probably not as much as I thought it would because the, the different seasons are different. Like Australia is in a completely different castle. The UK version. You know what, there's one funny Story is. So Boston Rob's strategy was to, as a trader, to get rid of anyone who said his name. And he. He came up with that strategy on his own. He's like, no. No one. Everyone's afraid. Like, if is. If me, as a faithful, says Boston Rob's a trader, everyone's like, oh, well, that's safety for Dylan, because he's onto a trader. If Boston robbed a trader, does that make sense?
- [35:02]
Natalie Joy
Like, if you say the name of the traitor, you think you'd be safe because why would they come after that? Like, what I did was so obvious.
- [35:09]
Dylan Efron
Like, what I did with Bob the Drag Queen. I was saying his name very early. I made it very public, hoping it would give me safety that night.
- [35:15]
Natalie Joy
Right.
- [35:16]
Nick Viall
So he did the reverse.
- [35:16]
Dylan Efron
He did the reverse.
- [35:17]
Nick Viall
He started to go after those people and then anticipated using the assumed narrative as his protection.
- [35:22]
Dylan Efron
Exactly. He. He did the reverse. Reverse or whatever. So it's a brilliant strategy. But then, like, so it almost.
- [35:29]
Nick Viall
But he almost, like, had to execute on that strategy too much. It seemed like.
- [35:33]
Dylan Efron
Yes. And. And the flip side is, like, I watched a season in Australia that the guy did the exact same strategy, and he lost. So, like, there is someone who's thought of the same strategy, and it didn't work out for them. So I don't think Boston Rob.
- [35:45]
Nick Viall
It seems like it's a great strategy to definitely make your mark on the season.
- [35:50]
Dylan Efron
Yes.
- [35:51]
Nick Viall
And. And be a focal point, but it has its limits. It feels like.
- [35:55]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, and not when it's a strategy.
- [35:56]
Nick Viall
That will make waves but not win. Almost.
- [35:59]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. And. And look, the people, the Boston Robs that are playing this game, it is very, very tough for them to win. Like, yeah, there was probably a 1% chance he was going to win this game just because there is so much lore about these gamers that they're targets.
- [36:13]
Nick Viall
Do you feel like that benefited you kind of being this, like, no one really knows who you are, and they kind of find out, like, and it's.
- [36:21]
Dylan Efron
Kind of like, oh, you know, for sure.
- [36:23]
Natalie Joy
Kind of the same as Sam. Yeah.
- [36:25]
Dylan Efron
I actually wanted to bring this up, so I left the castle, and then the cast has been announced. So I listened to your guys podcast. Trust me, the bar was very low for me. Like, no, you guys were one of the few. Like, I'm telling you, it's a hot take. Natalie said that she thinks I'm gonna win. I did. You did. I'm telling you, that is the hottest take I've. I've heard. And you agreed. You didn't say I don't think you said that. You play. Yeah, play the tape. But you said that I could see him going far.
- [36:52]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [36:52]
Dylan Efron
And I'm telling you, that's a hot take. Because the bar was low. People are like, why the hell is this guy on the show?
- [36:58]
Nick Viall
Really?
- [36:59]
Natalie Joy
That's so funny. I don't remember saying that at all, but I stand by it. Clearly, people said that about Nick when he went on Special Forces. I remember being like, oh, my God, he's not gonna last a day. He's not gonna. And, I mean, he ended up winning that show, too. So it is funny how people, like, have this perspective that, like, you're. They're gonna suck and then to, like, prove them all wrong.
- [37:16]
Dylan Efron
And it's a great place to be in. Like. Like, I said, like, the bar was so low for me on this show that you're just.
- [37:21]
Nick Viall
Because you're just the pretty brother.
- [37:22]
Dylan Efron
And so as soon as I, like, said the right vote once, everyone's like, this guy's a genius.
- [37:27]
Nick Viall
It's like.
- [37:27]
Dylan Efron
It's like, no, I'm very much not a genius. But the bar was that low. Like, I literally just had to not go on and shoot myself in the foot. And people are gonna be like, that guy actually has a brain.
- [37:36]
Natalie Joy
So did you go? What was your strategy going into it?
- [37:39]
Dylan Efron
My strategy was honestly, Sam's strategy. Like, if you watch Sam's season, I think he played the strategy that I wanted to do to a T. Like, he went in, was very quiet, but listening to everybody the whole time, it didn't make for great TV in the beginning. Like, he was barely in the beginning, but that whole time, he's learning the game. He's learning everybody. And then once it was time for him to step up, he stepped up, got a trader. Like, he was figuring it out. And that was the strategy I wanted. Like, I hate arguing, so I did not want to go into that round table with all these big personalities and argue, who.
- [38:12]
Natalie Joy
Who hurt you the most by betraying you. Was it Boston Rob or Danielle?
- [38:17]
Dylan Efron
Oh, no. Yeah. I wasn't hurt by Boston Rob. Honestly. The thing is, like, I never felt betrayed when I figured out they were traitors.
- [38:24]
Natalie Joy
Oh, okay.
- [38:25]
Dylan Efron
It's. It's very much a, like, crazy amounts of respect that they were able to do that, because that show is really hard. And what people don't see is, like, they. They're playing the role of a trader 24 7. The car rides. The. Like, anytime the cameras aren't on, they still have to be a trader, like.
- [38:43]
Nick Viall
And Pretend to be a faithful.
- [38:44]
Dylan Efron
Yes.
- [38:45]
Nick Viall
More importantly.
- [38:46]
Dylan Efron
So it's a crazy role that they signed up for. So as soon as I would figure out someone's a trader, I'm like, honestly, like, respect. And it's fun. It's a fun position to be in once you are pretty sure someone's a trader because then you can see them manipulating you, but you have the upper hand.
- [39:01]
Nick Viall
I feel like the. A great strategy would be. And it's a big. There's a big if because it requires you to figure out who the traders are. But if you are clever enough or lucky enough and confident enough to figure out who the trader is, I feel like the best approach would be like to befriend them and get close to them, not let anyone know what you think and let them think that you think there's no way they could be a traitor and get some kind of protection without it being any type of actual alliance.
- [39:32]
Dylan Efron
And that's absolutely the best strategy. And I got very lucky. Like, I think you see in episode one, I, I tell Danielle, you're my number one. Like, that was a strategy to be like, hey, I want to have someone that, like, I can trust in this game that we're going to go to the end. I said that day one, though, I don't know anything. So, like, it was just making an alliance. I had no idea she was a trader at that time. So, like, that's very lucky. But that was executing that trader angel strategy. Boston Rob didn't know he was a trader, but, like, he's in my alliance. We're super close. So, like, there's two Carolyn again. Day one, we rode in the car together. It was me, Carolyn and Danielle all in an alliance. So, like, all of my closest people were traders.
- [40:16]
Nick Viall
Who are you not in alliance with?
- [40:19]
Dylan Efron
Gabby? No. Like, you have a bunch of alliance. Like, I thought I was in a Survivor alliance with Tony and, and Jeremy and. And then I'm watching, watching it back and Jeremy's like, I don't trust that kid. So you have a bunch of different alliances, but some of them are more important to you than others. Like, my. My relationship with Carolyn and Danielle I took very seriously. And like, when I told Carolyn that Danielle said her name, like, I did not want to do that. Like, the whole show, I am trying to bring Carolyn and Danielle together. I had no idea what was going on upstairs. Like, wow, I was. I was like the best.
- [40:52]
Nick Viall
You guys are like, I like you both.
- [40:53]
Dylan Efron
Why are you fighting? I'm friends of you both. It did not click for me, I'm just like, guys get along and they're both like, he doesn't know. Like, shut up.
- [41:02]
Nick Viall
So you really didn't take offense to either Carolyn or Danielle trying to manipulate you? Because they, they both did, right? Like, they both leaned on your friendship. Carolyn leaned on the fact that, like, people have judged her for the wrong reasons in the past. And as a fan of Survivor, you know, her plight and yada yada the whole time, that's just her trying to, you know, manipulate you guess, like, whatever. Danielle, you know, we've heard from multiple people and the accus about her swearing on family members and things like that. And, you know, but like, you didn't really. You just. It's all fair. And a game of traitors.
- [41:37]
Dylan Efron
For me, it was a game like, like, at the end of this, Danielle just played the villain role to a T. Like, she signed up to be a villain. She knew she was going to be a villain. And she is hated by America for being a villain. Like, she really hated right now.
- [41:51]
Nick Viall
That's such a shame if, like, calm down.
- [41:54]
Dylan Efron
She got a lot of flack, more, way more than she deserved, like, at it for playing a game in a cast. So, like, so that was hard to see outside the show that people were. Were going after her so much. But yeah, like, I had. I just had respect, like, because she played it 100. She was trying to win. Same with Carolyn. And that would. I think that one was harder. Is like, people always wanted me to say, like, why did I choose Danielle over Carolyn? It's like at that point I knew they were both traders. So it's like I don't owe either of them anything and I'm going to do what's best for my game, which was. Was to work with Danielle because we had that trust.
- [42:29]
Nick Viall
Do you think Danielle has any hard feelings towards Brittany?
- [42:32]
Dylan Efron
We'll see at the reunion. That comes out at the reunion for sure. I think there's still some. They need to get together off camera and just hash some things out.
- [42:42]
Nick Viall
I think I appreciate your position and I would be a little. I mean, I guess I don't really care, but I'd be a little, like, not surprised. But, like, it would seem like a double standard of Danielle's given the fact that she played her game and she played it well, to your point, and she played it ruthlessly and she played to win. So how can she get mad at anyone else, including Britney, for doing exactly the same? It's just like, you know, at the end of the day, like, everyone's Someone.
- [43:12]
Natalie Joy
Crossed her and someone.
- [43:13]
Nick Viall
You know, she crossed a lot of people, Danielle. And like, if, if, if, if it's all fair and loving more or whatever, or all fair, like under the, under the guise of like, we're playing a game, then. And it seems weird that she would expect any type of specific loyalty from Britney.
- [43:28]
Dylan Efron
Totally. You know, and that's, that's kind of my stance on it too. At the reunion, they. They talked about the reindeer games again, like, whatever happened on that in the elf forest or whatever.
- [43:38]
Natalie Joy
Like, that was their show that when, when Britney like crossed her again and.
- [43:44]
Dylan Efron
So that they talked about that for a couple minutes, like it was heated again. And like, I think Andy's just like, what. What are they talking about? Like, it's not traders. Oh, we're moving on. But like, I think that's the thing is like, they call themselves gamers. They're proud of their gameplay. I think we just need to keep that gameplay in the game and then outside it's like we can't be offended at what happened. Yeah. So I actually don't think Danielle's mad at Brittany for crossing her again. I think it's more. They just have some issues they need to solve. I don't know.
- [44:16]
Nick Viall
I hope they work through it.
- [44:17]
Dylan Efron
I'll be Switzerland on that.
- [44:19]
Nick Viall
Did you enjoy your time with Tony?
- [44:21]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I actually did. So. So the very first conversation he gets out of the car, I was like, you look really familiar. And he's like, well, yeah, I'm like, I got talked about in the White House. And. And like, I was the most hate. I'm the most hated man in America. I was like, oh, I. I was like, I do know who you are from the Vile Files. And. And like, I didn't realize literally until I get home and tell my girlfriend the story that she was like, you probably shouldn't have. Like, that's not a good. It wasn't his best moment. So it's like saying, oh, I this. Yeah. So.
- [44:55]
Nick Viall
But it was trying to get back Tom back on.
- [44:57]
Dylan Efron
He does seem like he's in a great spot right now. Like, he.
- [45:00]
Natalie Joy
I mean, he left that trader's house feeling respected.
- [45:04]
Nick Viall
I was happy for him. I mean, listen, he. Off. We know what he did. He. He not a good moment for him. And like, you know, it's. Sometimes he. He can be a little stubborn and like a little like, you know, make it give the impression he's not like, grasping what people are frustrated at him for and you know, yada, yada, yada. But like, he has redeeming character characteristics, you know, and, like, it gets frustrating as some. Like, I got to know him on Special Forces, you got to know him on Traders, and you're just like, I don't know. He's certainly not a perfect person. He's full of flaws. Yeah. You know, like, I can roll my eyes and get frustrated, but he's not evil.
- [45:38]
Dylan Efron
No.
- [45:39]
Nick Viall
You know, he's definitely not a bad person. I've met way worse people and way, like, people I would trust a lot less than Tom Sandoval.
- [45:47]
Dylan Efron
Totally. He's absolutely sincere and. And. And, like. Like, you said, like, you need that Tom Sandoval friend. Like, if. If this show was 20 of me, it would have been the most boring show in the world. But the Toms of the world, that, like, they're so different than me. Tom is like. Like, when that singing challenge happened, it was. He's so excited that has genuine enthusiasm that he gets a chance to sing. And it's, like, it's so easy to make fun of and poke fun of him, but, like, props to someone that, like, knows this is a passion of theirs, and he doesn't care. He doesn't care. He's gonna go up there and sing his. His heart out. And so, like, it's. He. He's genuinely very. He. He's like, yeah, he's funny.
- [46:27]
Natalie Joy
He's funny. So he makes great television.
- [46:29]
Dylan Efron
It was. It was a great way to be introduced to Tom, not knowing anything about him. And, like, I can't say our relationship was all roses. Like, there were so many times where we're just butting heads and just, like. Just, like, telling him to shut up. It was just like, we butt heads a lot, but at the end of the day, it's like. Like, I know he's sincere in everything he's saying, and we actually became friends. So it's. Yeah, it was just a fun perspective, not knowing his past and being able to judge someone on what I see. And I liked what I saw. He's goofy.
- [47:00]
Nick Viall
Tom's like, a really strong, unique drink that, like, you can appreciate once in a while, but it's. It's definitely not your. Like, you. You can't have it every day.
- [47:09]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [47:10]
Nick Viall
You know?
- [47:10]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, absolutely.
- [47:12]
Natalie Joy
That. The bug challenge with him was that. That you. You picked him to be your teammate.
- [47:17]
Dylan Efron
I didn't know it was gonna be bugs.
- [47:18]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [47:19]
Dylan Efron
My strategy with that was one. I knew I had to distance myself from Boston Rob a little bit. I just, like, kind of figured that out. So then I was like, all Right. Well, who am I gonna pair up with? And Tom just immediately stands up and goes, dylan, be my partner. And I, like, didn't even. I was just like, yeah, sure. I was like, if it's a physical challenge, we're gonna crush it. It's like, I know how to work with him. Like, like I said, we butt heads, but, like, I can work with him. So I was like, we're gonna win. And then once we lost, I was like, I am gonna lose this show because I got married to Tom Sandoval. And I was just like, that was.
- [47:54]
Nick Viall
Why did you guys lose? Because it felt like three teams, it.
- [47:58]
Dylan Efron
Went to a tie, passed the test.
- [48:00]
Nick Viall
Yeah.
- [48:00]
Dylan Efron
Like, we got all the money we needed to, but then only one of the teams was gonna get a shield, and we didn't get the shield.
- [48:06]
Nick Viall
Yeah, I was pretty impressed in that moment. Moment by you.
- [48:10]
Dylan Efron
That was great.
- [48:10]
Nick Viall
I probably could have done it, but I. I would have been a little squirmish.
- [48:15]
Dylan Efron
It was so funny because, again, like, I thought Tom was going to crush it. He was on Special Forces. I was like, we got this. And then as soon as it starts, he puts the death grip on my hand. And he looks up, up here, and he's like, yeah, this is. This is nothing. We're all good here. And I was like, oh, no. Like, this is. This is a phobia. And I immediately, like, switched gears from like. Like, this is all fun, to, like.
- [48:40]
Nick Viall
Working with Tom on special for. He was like. Tom was the guy who's, you know, if it was a real military situation, he would run into the battle without.
- [48:51]
Dylan Efron
Thinking twice for sure.
- [48:52]
Nick Viall
He actually passed the most challenges.
- [48:55]
Dylan Efron
I'm not surprised. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not surprised.
- [48:58]
Nick Viall
It was he.
- [48:58]
Dylan Efron
He.
- [48:59]
Nick Viall
Where he. He struggled with the. Taking the directions and the emotional. The regulation aspect of it, but the actual, like, challenges. He was an absolute animal.
- [49:09]
Dylan Efron
I. I believe it. He did have a funny, like, meme of him running up a hill or something. I don't know if you saw that. It's a pretty funny run. It was like a. Like an anime character.
- [49:17]
Nick Viall
Would you do Special Forces?
- [49:18]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I like that. That all sounds fun to me. Like, that is.
- [49:22]
Nick Viall
You would do very well. I would be disappointed in you if you. If you didn't finish.
- [49:26]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I would. I would be getting injured. I. I would do some research and, like, try to figure out all the strategy and stuff, but, like, far.
- [49:33]
Nick Viall
No, there's no strategy.
- [49:34]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. Like, tell me to jump, like, off a boat onto a helicopter. Like, I would pay to do that. So like.
- [49:40]
Nick Viall
And that shit's fun. That's the fun part. It's there. It's survival. It's truly, it's the strategy is mental survival and, and not quitting. And. Yeah, I would love that. Getting no food, no sleep, feeling fatigued, feeling emotionally weaker every minute of every day and literally being like, if I can get 10 more minutes, just 10 more minutes. And you get 10 more minutes, you're like, all right, well, 10 more minutes. And like. And you do that for three.
- [50:04]
Dylan Efron
Kind of like, that's gotta be fun to look back at though.
- [50:08]
Nick Viall
Oh, one of the most rewarding experiences of my life.
- [50:11]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [50:11]
Nick Viall
For like.
- [50:12]
Dylan Efron
And that's why you.
- [50:13]
Nick Viall
I don't even know how many people watched it. It was certainly not as popular as traders and you know, like, but just the personal experience there is very cool.
- [50:22]
Dylan Efron
And that's the draw to do that show.
- [50:24]
Nick Viall
And I was very like, I'm. I very excited one day. If my kids ever give a shit about, like, I hope they never ask or watch me on the Bachelor. And that's one thing I will. I can be proud of that like, dad did this, you know, and they can think I'm cool or, you know.
- [50:41]
Dylan Efron
Something like that and that like, I, I used to compete in Ironmans and it's like, that's if there's nothing fun about that. But that like, looking back and being like, wow, I was in good enough shape to run an Ironman in 10 hours. Like, it's fun being like just knowing that you were able to push yourself that hard.
- [50:58]
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- [54:36]
Nick Viall
So what's next for you?
- [54:37]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, what is next for me? I'm just open. I've done a lot of things and let's see, my bread and butter is travel shows, so I want to keep doing those on YouTube, making documentaries. I love, love that like micro type of show where it's like the camera's there with you and you're in a foreign environment learning something. Like, did you ever watch Dirty Jobs? I've seen it like that. That's like my favorite thing. Like just being out in the world, seeing something you're unfamiliar with and learning and the camera being there learning with you. Like, that's my, that's my favorite thing. So I want to do more of that. But I'd be open to acting. I'd be open to more shows. Like.
- [55:18]
Nick Viall
So you would be open to acting now?
- [55:19]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I would.
- [55:21]
Nick Viall
Now that you've got a little bit of a taste and a little bit of notoriety, you've this experience of being kind of thrusted into the limelight and getting a little bit of attention and fame, it's been okay.
- [55:31]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, it's like I don't think anything's changed for me really. But the acting side is more like Again, as a 12 year old I was like, I will never act. It's not who I am. And that was just setting a, like limiting myself in a way where I, I do think there are quite a few roles that I could do well in. Like I'm not gonna play Ted Bundy tomorrow. Like my brother, like he has put in hours, countless hours of work perfecting his career craft. There's a lot of roles that are similar to who I am as a person.
- [55:58]
Nick Viall
And like what would be a fun role that you saw that you were like, I could do that.
- [56:02]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, like, into the wild or something like that. Like the, the old survival movie. Like, that would be freaking awesome. But, like, yeah, there's so, there's so many. I don't know.
- [56:11]
Nick Viall
Have you studied acting at all?
- [56:13]
Dylan Efron
No, but I think that's, like, also fun because I think you can. Yeah, I think you can learn on the spot. You can hire acting coaches, and there's something authentic about, about when you haven't done all that.
- [56:23]
Nick Viall
Are you the type of person who would lean on your brother given the fact that, like, listen, he just, he's at the top of his game, he's got connections and access, or you would you stubbornly not want to do that because you want to, like, prove to yourself that you know you can do it without the help of your brother, but. Or are you just like, it? He's my, One of my best friends. Like, why not, why not have him help?
- [56:45]
Dylan Efron
I would ask him for sure. I would ask for help, but again, it's like, I, I don't want to jump into it. I'm not going to be, like, guest starring on stuff. And, like, I, I'm happy where I am. Like, I, I, I love what I do on social media. I love, like, this life that I've kind of crafted outside of stardom. So, like, if the right role comes, I'm gonna jump on it.
- [57:04]
Nick Viall
But what about marrying your high school sweetheart? Do you think, like, that? Is that something you're into? Or are you guys just, like, gonna be boyfriend and girlfriend forever?
- [57:11]
Dylan Efron
No, that's, that's definitely.
- [57:12]
Natalie Joy
She sent in that question.
- [57:16]
Dylan Efron
Well, she knows the answer. She knows the answer. We're. We're working on it. Okay.
- [57:22]
Nick Viall
Oh, so there's. Sounds like there's a deadline, timeline.
- [57:25]
Dylan Efron
There's no. Courtney's so down to earth. She would never, like, look, we're 30. I'm 33.
- [57:30]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [57:31]
Dylan Efron
She's not going to put a deadline on me, but.
- [57:32]
Nick Viall
So you guys have like a. It seems like a healthy, we've known each other forever approach to this relationship.
- [57:38]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, yeah. And, and I am now in that stage. Like, I am looking at the next chapter. I want kids. I want, I want kids. Yeah, definitely. Like, I, I've got a little brother and sister that are like, four and five now, so I, like, I've got to see the joy of, like, them growing up, and I want that for myself, too.
- [57:55]
Natalie Joy
Do you see yourself being more of a girl dad or.
- [57:59]
Dylan Efron
It's tough. So, like, as soon as Olivia was born, I immediately became A girl, dad. Like, I wanted a girl so bad. And now that they're getting older, I went to some dance recitals and, like, I'm seeing that side of it where, like, Henry is just like, me. Like, me and hen. Like, I'm. I'm telling Henry which plants are edible and he's just sticking them in his mouth.
- [58:20]
Nick Viall
He's like.
- [58:21]
Dylan Efron
Like throwing, like, playing fetch type stuff. Like, he's just me and, like, runs and falls down and he'll play baseball. Like, I. I see myself as both. Honestly. Yeah, I would love to have both. That's. That's a. That's a tough one for me.
- [58:34]
Natalie Joy
Is there anything that you are afraid of? You seem like you really just, like, go headfirst into anything, but is there something out there?
- [58:42]
Dylan Efron
No, I'm still afraid of so much, but I just love proving myself wrong. I think that go to the acting is like. That is something I was afraid of growing up, but I want to prove that I can do it.
- [58:51]
Nick Viall
What about insecurities?
- [58:53]
Dylan Efron
I still don't like public speaking. Like, like you said, this feels like I'm talking to friends and it's like, very casual, but, like, tell me to go, like, on stage and give a speech. That's like a nightmare to me. I didn't even want to speak at the round table.
- [59:09]
Nick Viall
You were. You really were. I mean, at first you were pretty. There was a moment early on where you. I almost was like, I don't know. He's kind of outspoken right now, and he's. He's almost too right, you know, and he was. And then. And then you. You calmed down.
- [59:22]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I got some of that.
- [59:24]
Nick Viall
Calm down is maybe the wrong word.
- [59:25]
Dylan Efron
Did.
- [59:25]
Natalie Joy
Did. I mean, it was. I think when you went after Bob the Drag Queen, was his response when he kind of jumped at you and called you, you know, misguided and said your brother sucked at acting or all the. You know. Did that kind of make sense?
- [59:38]
Nick Viall
Yeah. That feel personal? Because it was like, damn.
- [59:40]
Dylan Efron
It didn't. Like, so, like, the whole, like, my mindset on that is like, I knew I had to say his name at the round table because of. I wanted that safety net. Like, I wanted everyone. I had told enough people his name that he knew I was saying his name. But if I say it at the round table, then if I die the next day, if they murder me, it's going to put a major red flag on him. So I knew I had to say something, and I knew I was going to get distracted, destroyed. Like, it was just like before. I. The words even came out of my mouth. I'm like, I'm gonna get chewed up so bad. So it was like I knew what I was getting into. My takeaway from that was that after we finished, Bob the Drag Queen was just like, hey, props for doing that, and, like, treated me like an equal, which was so like, that. That meant a lot to me because he easily could have doubled down and just been like, that's what you get for. For speaking up against me. Like, I put you in your place type thing and just bullied me a bit.
- [60:35]
Nick Viall
So he. He was even, like, he was playing the game he was playing.
- [60:38]
Dylan Efron
And that's the best part of Bob the Drag Queen. He's. He's just a performer. He is the most quick witted person in that castle. And like, as soon as it was over, he's like giving me a hug and being like, hey, you did great out there. Like, that's Bob the Bob the Drag Queen that I know. So, like, I would never get offended if he. If he did that.
- [60:56]
Nick Viall
How many nights did you go to bed, like, seriously, like, thinking, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna survive this.
- [61:01]
Dylan Efron
There was like, I was super. Like, if you watch back, I was getting shield after shield after shield. That was one of my strategies going in was like, I'm gonna get every shield and like, that's how I'm gonna win this game. So I think I got five shields in the first six missions.
- [61:16]
Nick Viall
Wow.
- [61:17]
Dylan Efron
And then I went on the worst dry spell ever. And I was going. I was like, I'm dead. I'm dead. And I. It was because I thought Gabby was a traitor. And then that's how I eventually realized she wasn't a TR trader.
- [61:29]
Natalie Joy
How is watching it back then super fun? Yeah.
- [61:31]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. Because it's just like reliving it. It was fun. So it's fun to see the conversations you weren't a part of. Like, that when Sam was like, trying to guess what Alan wore or he made Carolyn guess, like, I wasn't there. I was like, thank God I didn't walk in because I would never have known what you wore.
- [61:49]
Nick Viall
That was a good strategy. It was, though. It was like, really clever.
- [61:52]
Dylan Efron
It was. It was smart.
- [61:53]
Nick Viall
It was very interesting talking to Sam just because I was like, man, this guy is nice. Not who people think he is.
- [61:58]
Dylan Efron
Oh, he's so low keying down to earth. I was just hanging out with him like two days ago.
- [62:02]
Natalie Joy
Did you. I mean, I know she left early, but Chanel Ion.
- [62:05]
Dylan Efron
Did you. Oh, my God. Yeah. She came in. You guys got. You guys got a. A dose.
- [62:11]
Natalie Joy
We had fun with her.
- [62:12]
Dylan Efron
She's the best. Like, I really hope that she gets invited back for next season because there is so much fun and drama that she brings that just did not make the screen.
- [62:23]
Natalie Joy
Yeah.
- [62:23]
Dylan Efron
She's one of a kind.
- [62:24]
Nick Viall
Do you think, do you think they bring her back and make her a traitor?
- [62:29]
Dylan Efron
Oh, my God, please do. She will put up a performance like we've never seen.
- [62:35]
Nick Viall
What would you think about you being like, did you go in, like, just wanting to be a faithful? Were you open to being a traitor?
- [62:41]
Dylan Efron
I wanted to be a faithful.
- [62:42]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [62:43]
Dylan Efron
I was afraid, like, Sam just flat out tells Alan, I want to be a faithful. I was afraid that they'd feel, like, slighted by that being, like. So I tried to keep it open. Ended being like, yeah, I'm down for eating either. I, My two best scenarios were to be a faithful or to be a faithful. That was recruited as a trader, but I did not want to start off as a trader.
- [63:03]
Nick Viall
Yeah. You know, if I ever got the opportunity, I would. I think the same.
- [63:07]
Dylan Efron
You should do it. For sure.
- [63:08]
Nick Viall
I, I, it's, it's really just like, if I have the, if, if I get asked and I have the, like, I've been asked before, it didn't work out. Like, it wasn't like, a ego thing, or it wasn't like, oh, this isn't a show I wouldn't do.
- [63:22]
Natalie Joy
It just was like, I just had a baby. Wasn't that why you didn't go?
- [63:26]
Nick Viall
Was that or just, like, just the show? It's just like, you know, it's like, you were. I had, I had to work around some other obligations, and it didn't work and blah, blah, blah. But, like, I, it would be a lot of fun. I'm worried that I would have a target on my back.
- [63:38]
Dylan Efron
Yes. I was gonna say if I, if, honestly, if it was between you two, I think Natalie would do better. I think you might get the Wells treatment where it was like, like, everybody trusted Wells, but they all knew he was capable of being a traitor. And it's very. It's a hard spot to be in.
- [63:53]
Nick Viall
The only thing I would have going for me over Wells is that, like, also you. This is assuming people know who we both are and know our quote unquote reputations. Is that, like, Wells has this, like, good guy. Everyone knows Wells is smart, but he's also like this, you know, affable. Everyone loves him. So even I was thinking when I heard he Was casted. Oh, he would make a perfect trait traitor. Because everyone loves him. And, like, he would be this guy where me. It's like, yeah, people might think I'm. I'm smart, but, like, you know, sometimes people think I'm the bad boy or you can't trust me, or like, I was the villain on Bachernation or I would make the good trader and I. My hope, if I got a chance to do it, that that would. Because I would prefer to be a faithful, too. Like, I don't. I. I don't think I'm a good liar. I mean, I know I did well on Special Forces, but that's not the same as, like, lying every day. Day. And I love the idea of, like, trying to hunt who would be the traders. And I really. I do think I could be good at that.
- [64:55]
Dylan Efron
I think that. That. That would be the second risk for you is that, like, in our season, you could tell they were going after people who can. Are well spoken. So, like, if you are well spoken, put together a cohesive argument, you're a threat. The traders.
- [65:09]
Nick Viall
Yeah.
- [65:09]
Dylan Efron
So the.
- [65:10]
Nick Viall
I would try to play dumb as much as I could, but I don't. I don't know how long.
- [65:13]
Dylan Efron
I would love to see you on the show.
- [65:14]
Nick Viall
I don't know how long I could. How long they would get. I'd get away with that.
- [65:18]
Natalie Joy
Did that last argument from Gabby to Danielle kind of win you over in the, like, maybe Gabby's not a trader department?
- [65:27]
Dylan Efron
So that round table when Gabby went after Danielle.
- [65:29]
Natalie Joy
Yeah, yeah. And Danielle went after Gabby.
- [65:31]
Dylan Efron
No, I already. Gabby and I were in an alliance there.
- [65:34]
Natalie Joy
Okay.
- [65:34]
Dylan Efron
Like, I think earlier in the episode, you see me talking to Iver saying, like, I might vote Gabby and stuff like that. That's. That's the. The conversations you have in the morning when you don't want to show your cards.
- [65:45]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [65:46]
Dylan Efron
So then me and Gabby had a conversation where we realized that we need to get Danielle out tonight. And I was like, you're gonna have to do a lot at this roundtable because, like, I'm not gonna speak up the same way. So I was like, you're gonna have to go at her. So me and Gabby were very much aligned, and we knew Dolores was gonna throw away a vote. And then me talking to Danielle was me waiting till the very last chance to give her a heads up that, like, hey, your name's getting brought up. And I did that just because I don't want to blindside a girl that I've been working with this whole game. So closely. So I tried to wait till the very last moment to give her the heads up so she couldn't go and strategize.
- [66:27]
Natalie Joy
Was there any split second when she was begging you to put Ivor's name down instead of hers that you.
- [66:34]
Dylan Efron
Not about it?
- [66:35]
Natalie Joy
No.
- [66:37]
Nick Viall
But because at that point, you kind of look like you got to stand by your gun.
- [66:40]
Dylan Efron
I knew what I was doing at that point.
- [66:42]
Natalie Joy
I know, but it was just the way she's like, dylan, please, I'm begging you.
- [66:46]
Nick Viall
When she was. Laid it on.
- [66:47]
Dylan Efron
Yes. And I. I can't. Like, it hurt. It was definitely hard to be in my. My body at that moment, but I wasn't going to change my vote.
- [66:55]
Nick Viall
What's the best way for someone who would go on that show to try to change the minds of people who are, like, coming from. For you? Like, what. What do you think Wells could have done differently if now that you can, like, hindsight being 2020 and you can assess his game? Did he make a wrong move or was it just bad luck?
- [67:15]
Dylan Efron
No, I don't think Wells made a wrong move. I. I think. And he might have even said this before, but I think maybe when he first got accused, it was so shocking to him that he maybe got a little aggressive rather than defensive or something like that. Like, maybe he was. Was. I think he was so shocked that people were putting his name out there.
- [67:35]
Nick Viall
See, that might be the difference between him and I, if I got the opportunity is that, like, I. I'm kind of. I'd go in being like, I'm first. I'm gonna be first. Like, I'm like, someone's gonna come for me. They're gonna be some housewife. I said some about, you know, on the show or whatever, and, like, you know, someone's gonna know of me or know who I am, you know, from the podcast space. And I'm. I'm gonna, you know, And. And so I'd just be kind of ready for that as opposed. And I would, like. I think I tried to play the card of, like, come on. Like, it's almost the opposite of Wells, where it was like, it's. I'm too obvious.
- [68:08]
Dylan Efron
The best thing that Wells did, though, is, like, when you can be genuine in your. Like, there. There was definitely a moment where Wells is, like, his eyes got a little watery, and you could tell he was genuinely, like, upset that.
- [68:21]
Nick Viall
Oh, yeah.
- [68:21]
Dylan Efron
So, like, I think that's the best thing he can do. When you can show with your heart and your emotions, like, hey, I'm telling the Truth, like, I'm gonna go up there and. And like. Like that. That when I saw him with tears in his eyes, I knew he was a faithful. But again, I was in this alliance and I wasn't a hundred percent sure I didn't want him to go home.
- [68:40]
Nick Viall
But at that point, it's so early, everyone's just guessing.
- [68:43]
Dylan Efron
Totally.
- [68:43]
Nick Viall
And people are. It seems like people are not voting for the trader is. They're just voting to not be eliminated. Eliminated?
- [68:49]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. So, yeah, I think if he would have started that argument with those tears in a way.
- [68:54]
Natalie Joy
Like, you believed Danielle's tears the whole time?
- [68:57]
Dylan Efron
No, but what. Yeah, I believe some. Obviously.
- [69:04]
Nick Viall
When Carol, when Carolyn got eliminated, what did you think of that whole. I don't know, like, what she was really going for?
- [69:11]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, because I knew she was a traitor at that point, so I wasn't going to run over there and consult. So, yeah, at that point, look, I knew that I was very convinced that both of them were traitors. And it was a weird perspective seeing them act.
- [69:25]
Natalie Joy
Do you think I thought in this, the moment with the chess board, obviously, the. That Carolyn and Danielle were able to manipulate when she said Tom and Dolores kind of pointed that out and she was like, I'm not saying you're a traitor. She kind of got really defensive. Do you think her getting defensive is what, like, put the target on her back?
- [69:45]
Dylan Efron
I think that was showing people for the first time. But let me step back even further. So again, like, we just had the. The funeral. Chrishell gets murdered in the funeral.
- [69:54]
Natalie Joy
Right.
- [69:54]
Dylan Efron
So now we're playing the game this morning of like, why are we still here? So for me, I'm like, Gabby would never have just murdered her friend and not murdered me. So I'm like, Gabby's a faithful 100%, so now let's play that game for tomorrow. And it was, why the hell is Tom still here? Gabby would never have voted. Like, she would have voted for Tom the first day. So who is keeping Tom in the game? Like, who likes Tom? And then it clicked for both of us. We're both in the car together and we're like, oh, it's Carolyn. Carolyn's the one that defends you. Like, whenever. If anyone's talking bad about Tom, she has a huge heart and she hates to see it. So she was always defending tomorrow Tom. So then we kind of realize, we're like, oh, Danielle's protecting me, Carolyn's protecting you. Then we get out of the car and we go to this chess game. And it was like, this is Our highest suspect list now. Yeah, we go to this chess game, and it was like, Carolyn messed up. If I. If. If that was the first moment ever, maybe I would have been like, huh, That's. That's a red flag.
- [70:57]
Nick Viall
There was a literally look on your face, and you're just like, yeah.
- [71:00]
Dylan Efron
But going in, I was like, oh, my gosh. She just confirmed what she's like, everything we just said in the car. So it was. That was not the first flag. It was like, that was the cherry on top for us.
- [71:11]
Natalie Joy
That makes sense. I do feel like if she. Because Dolores was like, well, you were the first one to say Tom. And she was like, no, I wasn't. I wish. I feel like if she would have been like, well, you know, he was really pitching himself and kind of like, went along with it instead of getting so defensive, maybe it wouldn't have been as bad.
- [71:25]
Dylan Efron
And. And look, I. Carolyn played an incredible game through eight episodes. Like, she was absolutely undetected. Did until that car ride with.
- [71:35]
Nick Viall
I mean, like, having a chance to meet her for, like, 15 minutes and talk to her. Like, she. It's hard. She's hard to read.
- [71:41]
Dylan Efron
Hard to read. And that's what. That's. The flip side is it's also hard to be in an alliance sometimes because, like, we're. Me and Danielle, we're having one conversation a day, and it was so coherent and cohesive. Yep. We're still good. Carolyn and I would have opposite conversations where, like, I did have her back 100%, but she's telling me I don't. And then we're both in tears, and we had that conversation a few times. So it's like, as much as I did trust Carolyn, I didn't trust her as much as Danielle at the end because, like, it was hard. It was harder to work with her in that way.
- [72:12]
Nick Viall
Back to just you, like, what. What do you think makes you who you are in terms of, like, yeah, your character, your. You know, you do seem like a really grounded down to earth. Down to earth. Like, you know, just, like, nice guy. Right. And, like, I think there's a lot of people who could look like you. Who has a very famous brother, and it's like a recipe for douchebag. It really. I mean, it really is, like. And, you know, you don't seem to be, you know, I mean, I'm sure you've had your moments. We've all done things we regret and we have had to learn. But, like, where do you think that comes from?
- [72:51]
Dylan Efron
Good family and good friends and Again, like maybe having good goals too. Like, again, I, I think like I said earlier, it was like fame was never my goal. And like when I left Warner Brothers, I was like, man, if I could make 70k a year and like that's enough for me to have a great life. So like I was never about making so much money that I could buy a Rolex or anything like that. Like, I really, like, my priorities were being in nature, like being with the people I love. Like, I, like my girlfriend grounds me, my family is super supportive. So I just, I think it's all the people I, I'm with. I, I don't know.
- [73:29]
Nick Viall
I mean, it's, it's a tough question to answer. Like, why are you great? I don't know, but I was just curious. I mean. Yeah, just like what, what you would attribute that to.
- [73:38]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, definitely my upbringing, I guess because like I just, I. I'm blessed to have some friends. Like all my high school friends I'm still so close with.
- [73:45]
Nick Viall
What's your favorite family tradition? Tradition?
- [73:47]
Dylan Efron
It was going up to Oregon to visit my grandparents that, that was always something I looked forward to because we'd ski for two weeks and see my aunt and uncle up there. Now it's pretty much like anytime I can get up to see my little brother and sister, that's the highest on my priority. So like I took them to Montana last year. It's just like, it's so fun to be able to share the cool parts of my life with them at their age.
- [74:12]
Nick Viall
Favorite holiday?
- [74:13]
Dylan Efron
Christmas. Just cause all my friends are home, my family's home. So Christmas is definitely that time.
- [74:18]
Natalie Joy
Are you a good gift giver?
- [74:21]
Dylan Efron
No. I'm so bad.
- [74:22]
Nick Viall
What's your, what's your love? Languages?
- [74:24]
Dylan Efron
Definitely not gifts. I don't want anything from anyone and I don't want to. Yeah, I hate, I hate even wishing people birthday. I'm so bad at it. Oh my God. I know. It's not, not my.
- [74:35]
Nick Viall
Getting gifts as an adult almost feels like an obligation. It's like, what do I have to do?
- [74:39]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I'm bad at that. Love language is definitely acts of service.
- [74:43]
Natalie Joy
Yeah, that's how you show it. Or that's what you.
- [74:45]
Dylan Efron
Oh, that's what I love.
- [74:46]
Nick Viall
It's generally the same.
- [74:48]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [74:48]
Nick Viall
If you. Yeah, I mean, generally speaking. If you like to show love through acts of service, it's also just generally how you like to receive it too.
- [74:55]
Natalie Joy
Yeah, I guess that's true.
- [74:56]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [74:57]
Nick Viall
So not gifts for sure. Acts of service is number one.
- [75:00]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. Like if someone, If Someone makes me dinner. That's like. That's the best feeling in the world. It's like that type of thing, like, when you can tell that some. Because I know how hard it is to think of someone. And if someone makes you a cake type thing, like, they had to do a lot of stuff. They had to go grocery shop, they had to go cook, all for this little cake. It's like effort.
- [75:21]
Nick Viall
The effort.
- [75:21]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [75:21]
Nick Viall
The effort is transparent.
- [75:22]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. The effort is what I want. And that when I see someone put effort into something for me, it makes me tear up.
- [75:29]
Natalie Joy
Do you have a moment from your childhood that sticks out as a really good memory?
- [75:34]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. Honestly, it's like there's no moment in particular, but the road trips with my best friends, we just didn't know what we were doing, and we're getting in over our heads. And, like, we go camping and forget the camp. The tent at the house. And then we're, like, sleeping in the woods with, like, a.
- [75:52]
Nick Viall
Camping and forgot the tent.
- [75:53]
Dylan Efron
Yes. To my friend Evan to bring the tent, and all he brought was a tarp. So then we're, like, in the woods. It's freezing. We're all, like, huddled up together. Like the movies. Movies. Like, stuff like that. It was like we were just naive kids that were growing up in the woods. And, like, those are absolutely my favorite memories. Like, driving through Death Valley. Like, we didn't even tell our parents we're going there. Now all of a sudden, we're like, 10 hours away. Our car's breaking down. Like, stuff like that. Like, we just grew up together doing stuff we probably shouldn't have. Yeah, those are my favorite memories.
- [76:28]
Nick Viall
What's your biggest relationship? Pet peeve or. And then just a pet peeve and just general relationship.
- [76:35]
Dylan Efron
Oh, yeah. I was. I was paying attention to your guys's nighttime. Nighttime ritual.
- [76:41]
Natalie Joy
Do you agree? Whose side are you on?
- [76:42]
Dylan Efron
I'm on your side for sure. Like, if you.
- [76:45]
Nick Viall
What specific part?
- [76:46]
Dylan Efron
The person in bed should be able to stay in bed.
- [76:49]
Natalie Joy
Yeah.
- [76:49]
Dylan Efron
And the person who's not in bed should go, like, my question is, how big is your damn house? Because not big for it to be a big deal for you to go back to the kitchen and grab water is like, it wasn't about.
- [77:01]
Nick Viall
It definitely was.
- [77:02]
Dylan Efron
Like, so if it was like, oh, I had to walk three flights of stairs.
- [77:06]
Natalie Joy
It was maybe 50 steps. Yeah.
- [77:08]
Dylan Efron
Go get the water.
- [77:10]
Nick Viall
No, it wasn't about the water. I had gotten the water.
- [77:13]
Natalie Joy
You needed to get the remote.
- [77:14]
Nick Viall
It was the remote, and I didn't want to watch so stage again. Your beautiful girlfriend's in bed. She wants to watch tv. You've done three rounds of favors for her already. You've set the house down, you've gotten her some water, you've done. You're. You've done your nightly duties, and then she wants to watch tv. And you're like, you're ready for bed, you're tired, you're ready to go. And then she's just like, I can't find this remote. I need you to go get the other remote. And you're kind of like, you know what? That sounded like an order and not a request. And you being an acts of service guy, I would think that, like, the whole point of, like, being an act of service guys is feeling like you did something generous as opposed to, like, your job.
- [77:59]
Dylan Efron
Yes.
- [78:00]
Nick Viall
And I couldn't help but wonder, like, yeah, so in those, those, in those parameters, you. You've never been like, no, I'm not gonna do it.
- [78:07]
Dylan Efron
This is why you'd be dangerous on the Traders. That was a good argument.
- [78:12]
Natalie Joy
But I did carry his child and give birth to her, so I don't really feel like I need to be getting up once I'm in the bed.
- [78:19]
Dylan Efron
I. I think that's tough because then you're like, watching TV in bed. Is that's.
- [78:24]
Natalie Joy
If, if you don't like that, are you against it? Are you one of those, I don't.
- [78:28]
Dylan Efron
Like watching TV in bed? Or if I like. If you were gonna do that, I'd want you on your laptop with headache headphones.
- [78:33]
Natalie Joy
What?
- [78:34]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, crazy. Like, you don't like to be, like, cozy. Okay, so. Okay, whatever. I don't have a side anymore.
- [78:48]
Nick Viall
But what is. Do you have a relationship pet peeve?
- [78:51]
Dylan Efron
It is a funny one. We both like to listen to audiobooks when we fall asleep. Or, like, audio, some kind of audio. And we fight over whose audio we're going to listen to. It's like, are we listening to Jeff Lewis? We both agree that we can listen to Vile Files. Um, but otherwise, like, I have the stuff that I want to listen to, as she really doesn't want to. So we fight over that quite a bit. But that's not a big.
- [79:12]
Nick Viall
Do you cook?
- [79:13]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I love cooking.
- [79:15]
Nick Viall
What do you like to cook?
- [79:17]
Dylan Efron
My girlfriend laughs because I'm not a good cook, but it always tastes great. So she always says there's, like, secret ingredients.
- [79:22]
Nick Viall
What's the difference?
- [79:24]
Dylan Efron
Because I think, like, a lot of people have recipes and stuff like that. I'm much more, like, I much more have, like, Like, I get a meat, I'll put, like, rice in it. I'm cooking it all in the same pot, like, one at a time or something. I. I'm very unorthodox cook, and I'm putting barbecue sauce and glazing it with balsamic vinegar. I'm, like, doing a bunch of different Italian, Mexican spices. Okay. Tastes good in the. Yeah. And so she always thinks there's, like, a secret ingredient because she's like, if I made this, it wouldn't taste as good.
- [79:54]
Nick Viall
Does she cook much?
- [79:55]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, she cooks. She. She's 70, 30, probably. She. She cooks.
- [79:59]
Nick Viall
I was thinking about this last night. You know what. What makes Nana and I work? Or for the most part, I would say, like, 80% of, like, the shows we like to watch, food we like to eat, places we like to go. It's similar. So, like, there's not a lot of debates there. And then where differences, like, household chores. Like, I'm allergic to laundry. Natalie's allergic to washing dishes in the sink. And so, like, I just. I wash. I pretty much wash all the dishes.
- [80:24]
Natalie Joy
I can put things in the dish.
- [80:25]
Nick Viall
I pretty much clean the kitchen other than, like, Natalie will put things in the dishwasher. Even the things that shouldn't go in the dishwasher. Pisses me off like crazy. Like, you don't have to put the pot. I'll wash the pot and pans. Like, we. We don't put my knife in the. In the dishwasher. Like, it's not meant for the dishwasher. Like, I got. This is my knife.
- [80:40]
Dylan Efron
I'm still. I'm still learning the dishwasher. I've never lived with one.
- [80:43]
Nick Viall
Now he just throws everything in the dishwasher. It says, basically, the dishwasher for Natalie is a place to hide pots and pans that she refuses to wash. Sometimes if I'm out of town, there'll be, like, four pot. Like, oh, my God.
- [80:55]
Natalie Joy
When Nick's not there, I feel so free. I'm like, I can put the knot. You'll never know. The knives, the pots, pans. Everything's in the dishwasher.
- [81:02]
Nick Viall
But I. Again, like, I hate laundry. Washing clothes, not so bad. Folding. I would live out of a dryer. Like, in my single days. It would, like, do a load of laundry, put in the dryer, and then for the next week, I'm just pulling stuff out of the dryer.
- [81:16]
Dylan Efron
I swear, it takes me, like, an hour to fold, like, 10 shirts.
- [81:19]
Nick Viall
I hate it. But, like, it so works for us because, like, she. The things that I hate she likes in and vice versa.
- [81:26]
Dylan Efron
That's great. That's a good relationship.
- [81:28]
Nick Viall
What? What? What? Like there are the thing where yeah.
- [81:31]
Dylan Efron
I'm still figuring out the dishwasher. I just moved. I've never had a dishwasher so like I, I, yeah, I'm figuring it out like I'm putting the stuff that's shouldn't go in there in there. Yeah. So that's new. She knows what's I, I, I like whoever cooks the other person cleans up after cooking ideally.
- [81:50]
Nick Viall
That would be nice.
- [81:51]
Dylan Efron
Yeah. That I won't let her do have.
- [81:54]
Natalie Joy
A baby that needs to be bathed. So she, that is, it is nice.
- [81:57]
Nick Viall
Natalie bathes with her river. I can clean the kitchen.
- [82:00]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, that's good.
- [82:01]
Nick Viall
But that, yeah, we do have her. Nice. We never really even had to negotiate that. It just kind of vacuums. Not me.
- [82:07]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, see I don't like vacuuming either.
- [82:09]
Nick Viall
No, I mean I, I, I, other than the kitchen, Natalie cleans the whole.
- [82:14]
Dylan Efron
House and I think that's part of growing up is like realizing that, realizing that like you can keep doing the dishes cuz it doesn't matter and she's going to pick up the slack somewhere else. Yeah like I hate vacuuming so like I'll fill the water tank or something. I'll do something else. I'll try to pick up the slack.
- [82:32]
Natalie Joy
It's so funny. That's like there was like this some post or something somewhere that was like what do your husbands or partners do? Like if you're getting ready for a big event at your house, you know, Thanksgiving at your house, you're hosting whatever. Like what are your husbands or partners or boyfriends doing doing to like help you. And it was like mine cleans the garage. It's like mine goes and gets his car vacuumed. It's like this stuff that you're like no one's gonna see that. No one cares. But like thanks for getting that done, you know? So you're like I'm, I'm clean. I'm refilling the water tank.
- [83:04]
Dylan Efron
Yeah.
- [83:07]
Natalie Joy
Do y'all live together?
- [83:08]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, we just moved into again. That's how I got my first dishwasher. I was in a one bedroom apartment for the longest, longest time. So that was like kind of our thing was like let's get some more space and that'll lead to a happier relationship because we were on top of each other in a one bedroom. So like if we have space it'll, we can be in different rooms. We can figure this out. But I Think a lot of our fights were that. Like, I like to say that in school I was like a B minus student. I like, did enough to pass. So when I make the bed, it's like, it's made.
- [83:41]
Nick Viall
It's made.
- [83:41]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not fluffing the pillows. I'm not folding stuff back.
- [83:46]
Nick Viall
I haven't made a bed since I. Since maybe middle school.
- [83:50]
Dylan Efron
You didn't have to in Special Forces.
- [83:52]
Natalie Joy
It's crazy.
- [83:53]
Nick Viall
There was no bed. Yeah, there. Yeah, there's no bed.
- [83:56]
Dylan Efron
Sleeping on rocks.
- [83:57]
Nick Viall
You have a. Well, you have a. You have a sleeping bag. So making your bed is folding your sleeping bag and putting it in your Birkin.
- [84:04]
Natalie Joy
But it is crazy because he loves a made bed. He won't do it, but he loves the maid bed.
- [84:12]
Nick Viall
I've definitely been like, what's, what's going on here? Like, why haven't you done your, your, your chores?
- [84:17]
Dylan Efron
Clean sheets crawling is one of the best feelings in the world.
- [84:20]
Nick Viall
Yeah. But before I was actually in a healthy relationship, I don't think I ever had a bad bed.
- [84:26]
Dylan Efron
That's how I would be probably.
- [84:27]
Nick Viall
What do you want to leave us with? Anything you didn't get to talk about or say, oh, yeah, I have a.
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Dylan Efron
New documentary I'm releasing this weekend, which is cool just on YouTube. But it's like, it's probably the thing I'm most.
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Nick Viall
There's no just on YouTube anymore, man. YouTube is like one of the most watched platforms in the world.
- [84:44]
Dylan Efron
And I think it's. That's kind of my style is like, we could have tried to sell this or put it in. Put it like enter it in festivals. But we're just proud of it. We want people to see it. Like, that's really all it is. And I think it's my favorite project I've done to date. But it was me and my main videographer who's just now at this point, like my little brother. Like, we've traveled the world together. I met him when he was 18. And yeah, so like, we, we figured out how to create content and like just navigated this world together. And then this is kind of like our big project together. We went to Guyana, South America. So we went to Guyana because we heard this story about this. This tiny village that lives in the Amazon. The indigenous village that saved this species of fish from extinction. And this fish is the arapaima. And it's like, it's. They grow to 10 to 15ft long. They're just like prehistoric looking fish. Fish. But that fish was going extinct. This small village was like, hey, we need to protect this fish. They turned it into like they decided to protect them by fly fishing. So they turned it into like a catch and release fly fishing operation. The fish is doing great now. The village is doing great now. So we went out to kind of interview the guy who started it all and catch one of those fish. So it's a just one of those stories that like I'm blessed that I even heard of and the fact I gotta go out there, meet Roven like this.
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Nick Viall
When does that come out?
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Dylan Efron
That's this weekend. So this weekend.
- [86:08]
Nick Viall
So tomorrow.
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Dylan Efron
Yeah, Saturday.
- [86:10]
Nick Viall
This isn't come out on Friday.
- [86:11]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, it's. It's. It's on. It's 30 minutes. So it's short, but it's action packed. Like we are out there in the jungle fishing with indigenous Guyanese people. It's. It's really. It's really cool. It was a. It was an experience.
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Nick Viall
Well, buddy, it's been great getting to know you better. Congratulations on winning Traders with. With the. With your peers. It's been really fun getting to know you. I hope to see more of you. Maybe you can come back and talk some pop cult culture and reality tv.
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Dylan Efron
Dude, I'm in.
- [86:39]
Nick Viall
Or even next year on when Traders comes out. You can strategize, you know, and talk the show with us when it's on, man.
- [86:46]
Dylan Efron
I love it. You guys make this look fun. And it was. It was everything I thought it would be from listening to your show.
- [86:51]
Nick Viall
Well, thanks. Thanks for listening, man. We're always flattered at some.
- [86:54]
Natalie Joy
It's like you bring Courtney next time.
- [86:56]
Dylan Efron
I'm gonna have to. You're gonna hear the good secrets.
- [86:59]
Nick Viall
Double date. Can we double date?
- [87:02]
Dylan Efron
Super dumb for that. Yeah, Love that. Cor will be so stoked.
- [87:06]
Nick Viall
Love that. Well, great getting to know you, buddy.
- [87:09]
Dylan Efron
Yeah, same.
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Nick Viall
Thanks for listening guys. We will see you on Monday. Bye. The Val House is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progress Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try that progressive.com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states.