E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E898 Summary: Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy

Release Date: March 11, 2025

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1. Remodeling Nick Viall's Lake House

The episode kicks off with Nick Viall discussing the extensive remodeling project of his grandfather's lake house. Initially intended to be a simple renovation, the project escalated into a full teardown and rebuild to create a more spacious and modern family sanctuary.

• Nick Viall (02:30): "We did fully tear it down... It's our family house now, a place that we can comfortably entertain my brothers and sisters, friends, and make it a sanctuary."

The conversation highlights the challenges of preserving sentimental elements while upgrading the property to meet current needs. Nick emphasizes the importance of investment in the family's future, especially as they anticipate growing their family.

• Natalie Joy (03:00): "This is all news to me... I thought you guys were just picking out some tile."

2. Controversy Surrounding James Kennedy and the Tape Brothers

A significant portion of the episode delves into the controversy involving James Kennedy and the Tape Brothers from Bravo. James faced backlash for posting a selfie with the notorious Tape Brothers, leading to a denial of association and subsequent criticism.

• Nick Viall (11:05): "Your real vitriol should be directed towards James Kennedy because if you have not heard he's best friends the Tape brothers but doesn't know."

James claimed ignorance of their notoriety, prompting disbelief among listeners and co-hosts.

• James Kennedy's Instagram Statement (13:07):

  "I regret posting a photo with the Tape brothers at an event last night. I was unfamiliar with their content and the allegations against them..."

However, the Tape Brothers quickly responded, challenging James's denial and exposing supposed inconsistencies in his claims.

• Nick Viall (14:00):

  "He knew exactly who I was and what content I made. He's just a... Well, he just offends him and then says, fuck this guy."

The hosts express skepticism about James's stance, questioning the plausibility of his ignorance given the public prominence of the Tape Brothers.

3. Discussions on Reality TV and Pop Culture

The hosts engage in lively discussions about various reality TV shows, their dynamics, and recent events affecting their casts.

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a. Gypsy Rose and Casey Anthony on TikTok

Nick and co-hosts discuss Gypsy Rose's unexpected absence from contacting them despite her public presence.

• Natalie Joy (15:09): "I'm a little offended that she was in Los Angeles and didn't reach out to us."

They touch upon Casey Anthony's foray into legal advocacy, drawing parallels to other reality TV figures who pivoted into unexpected careers.

• Dylan Hafer (20:10):

  "Casey Anthony saying she's a legal advocate is like Jeffrey Dahmer opening up a steakhouse."

b. Love Is Blind Reunion Drama

The hosts critique the Love Is Blind reunion, particularly focusing on Ben’s interaction with Sarah and the perceived lack of genuine communication.

• Nick Viall (37:35):

  "I don't agree with how Kyle's handled it... Does someone really did really something wrong here?"

They analyze the scripted nature of the reunion and question the authenticity of the participants' emotions and statements.

c. Southern Hospitality Highlights

Harvey Guillén joins the conversation to discuss his experiences with Bravo shows like Love Is Blind, The Real Housewives, and his own projects.

• Harvey Guillén (47:10): "Love what we do in the shadows."

He shares anecdotes from events, including interactions with celebrities and insights into the production side of reality TV.

d. Traders and Brittany’s Exit

Britney Haynes provides an in-depth look into her exit from the show "Traders," addressing allegations of betrayal and offering her perspective on the game's dynamics.

• Britney Haynes (112:00):

  "I was forced into a situation where I had to choose my own self-preservation over preserving us as a duo."

She defends her actions as strategic moves for self-preservation rather than personal betrayal, challenging the narrative spun by other cast members.

4. Guest Interview: Harvey Guillén

Harvey Guillén, known for his role in "What We Do in the Shadows," appears as a guest to discuss his love for reality TV, particularly "The Real Housewives" series. He shares his favorite moments, experiences attending high-profile events like the Oscars, and his interactions with cast members.

• Harvey Guillén (55:23): "I met Lady Gaga at the Oscars after-party. She was really nice and introduced me to her fiance."

Harvey also touches upon his acting career, his roles in upcoming projects like the movie "Companion," and his insights into the entertainment industry's networking aspects.

• Harvey Guillén (80:20): "Harvey Guillén is my stage name. My real name is Javier O. I changed it because people couldn't pronounce my legal name."

His light-hearted banter with the hosts adds humor and depth to the conversation, making the episode engaging and informative.

5. Advertisements and Sponsorships

Throughout the episode, advertisements from sponsors like Progressive Insurance, June's Journey, and ASPCA Pet Health Insurance are seamlessly integrated into the conversation, maintaining the show's flow without disrupting content.

• June's Journey Advertisement (00:44):

  "June's Journey is a free to download mobile game where you have to find objects hidden in beautiful, colorful scenes..."

6. Upcoming Episodes and Future Content

Nick Viall wraps up the episode by previewing upcoming content, including special "Going Deeper" episodes with guests like Will and Emmy from "Southern Hospitality," and future "Reality Recap" segments featuring personalities like Heather McDonald.

• Nick Viall (40:00):

  "We have Harvey Guillen with us, star of What We Do in the Shadows... Brittany from Traders joining us later to talk about her scandalous exit."

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Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall (02:35):

  "I tore down my house. It's my house. I can do whatever I want with it."

• Harvey Guillén (47:15):

  "Always been a fan. We're also very excited that you're a big Housewives fan."

• Britney Haynes (112:00):

  "I had to vote with the majority which happened to be against her."

• Natalie Joy (26:14):

  "The invisible string theory is a belief that people are destined to meet and are reconnected by an invisible string."

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Conclusion

Episode E898 of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive dive into the intertwined worlds of reality TV, personal relationships, and pop culture. Through candid discussions, guest insights from Harvey Guillén, and detailed analyses of recent show dynamics, Nick Viall and his co-hosts provide listeners with an engaging and informative experience. Whether it's remodeling family homes, navigating controversial partnerships, or dissecting the latest reality TV drama, this episode encapsulates the essence of navigating modern love and life under the spotlight.

Transcript

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[Nick Viall]

You're crazy. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host N and there are some people who are following us that are a little perturbed, I think. With me, I'm not sure. You're probably asking. Oh, of course. And then you're like, well which. Which thing did I do that they're mad about? There's probably so many. Like, who knows, right? Like piss people off. I love to piss people off. Some of you know, maybe some of you don't. We are remodeling the lake House. It is under construction. The concrete has been poured.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't know if we can say remodel because we did fully tear it down.

[Nick Viall]

We did fully tear it down.

[Dylan Hafer]

Like, it is a tear down.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

And a rebuild.

[Emmy]

Renovate.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. I thought you guys were just adding.

[Nick Viall]

Here's what happened. And then the people listening now, if you're listening, you're like, did Nick tear down his grandfather's lake house? To which I answer, yeah, I tore down my house. It's my house. I can do whatever I want with it. Well, it's here. You have all this look down your. You have this look of disgust on your face.

[Natalie Joy]

This is all news to me. And it's not a look of disgust. I'm just like, wait, that's not what I thought either. I thought you guys were just picking out some tile.

[Nick Viall]

We definitely picked up some tile.

[Natalie Joy]

Getting some new mattresses.

[Dylan Hafer]

I didn't take that bitch to the ground.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, we.

[Natalie Joy]

Where are your parents staying?

[Nick Viall]

So they're camping.

[Emmy]

Just getting camping in the lake.

[Dylan Hafer]

We got them a rental. Okay. They're in a rental.

[Nick Viall]

Kicked them out. I took it out. No, we had been, you know, so like, we. We got the lake house a couple. Couple years ago and it was this beautiful, you know, it's great to be back after being there. You know, it was very much like a. Trying to figure out what. What exactly about this place, like, means so much to me. Right. And like when we were going back and forth between trying to get the house back, we were also looking at other lake property on the lake because it was like, we didn't know if the. My grandfather's house was available at the time. And then I was like, I really want to be back on the lake. But then we thankfully got it and then we were back on the lake and quickly realized that like, it was the land itself, like where the. Where the property is located on the lake is quite exquisite and stunning and beautiful and perfect view of like the sunset and things like that. And the house was like, nicely preserved. It was like very much. There's a lot about that house that like I remembered as like a, like a nine year old, but it's an old fucking house. And so we were just like, you know, it was like, totally fine. Totally fine, Totally fine. And then. But we were like, quickly wanted to like remodel it. I, you know, I. Now that we're back on the lake, I want to invest in the future. Like now that we have river and hopefully we grow. Are lucky enough to grow our family. But like, I really want to invest in this place. And when we go back to the lake, it's like nice to be there, but like, you know, there's like yellow water in the showers and it's like.

[Dylan Hafer]

Kind of plumbing issues.

[Nick Viall]

It's like an old house and it's like, you know, it's, it's clean water. Don't. It's like high in iron or whatever. Like, I don't know what it is.

[Dylan Hafer]

Like, smells like pennies.

[Nick Viall]

Smells like pennies.

[Harvey Guillen]

Nice.

[Nick Viall]

You know, you're just. It's like fine. So we first, like we're looking to remodel the house. Like that was the ultimate goal, to remodel the house. We brought a builder out, we threw a, a bunch of different plans. We were like having all these crazy ideas. We're like, I'm going to lift the ceiling up. And it was like, then the builder the whole time was like, you know, honestly, it's like a really old house and I just think maybe just might make the most sense to just like start over. And I was like, ah, I don't really want to do that. Like, there's obviously some like sentiment here. And so finally we went back and forth and I like had this vision of what exactly I wanted the house with. And it was like, we're going to keep this part of the house and we're going to add on to it. So it was really just kind of in take the inspiration of like the original house, the layout and really make it bigger and grander because I want space. I want my parents to like feel my parents live there and they take care of the place. But like when we are there, I want it to feel like our house as well. Right. And so, you know, I want my parents to have their own master bedroom and master bathroom and walk in closet. And then on the other side of the house, Natalie and I have our own master bedroom, walking closet, master bathroom. And I want it to be like a sanctuary and I want it to be like a spa. Wonderful. Nice and good. And anyway, so yeah, first it was meant to be a remodel. And so the, the design of the house is basically inspired by the original layout of the house. Okay, if that makes sense. Like the stairs, where the stairs were located in the original house or is the exact same place where the stairs are located in the new house. And then we actually have a kitchen downstairs which is going to be like a lakeside kitchen for when we entertain, but it's going to be a really nice one upstairs and that downstairs Kitchen is going to be in the same spot. So very long story, shorter. Even longer story. Made to be shorter as once we started being made.

[Natalie Joy]

Short story, long story, short story, long.

[Dylan Hafer]

Story, short remaining to be long story.

[Nick Viall]

So my long story is still long story. So anyways, we were going to save this and save that, and, like, as we. They were tearing things down and they were just like, it just. Just, you know, this doesn't exist. Just. Just tear it down. And like, again, to me, it's like the property is what has the meaning behind it. I was very grateful that when we bought the house back, it was preserved like it was. It was very cool to have lost the house when I was, like, nine years old and got it back and have much of the house being like, what I remember they had remodeled it, they had done some additions, they had done some little projects, but it very much, like, looked like the house. And that was cool. But now that I am the owner, it was just like, people upgrade their. People remodel their house. People change their house. It's just like, I'm not gonna live in an outdated old house if I can make it better just because, like, my grandfather, like, started it. You know, People upgrade their houses all the time.

[Will]

So wait, just to clarify, you did tear down the whole house?

[Nick Viall]

I tear down the whole house.

[Natalie Joy]

It's okay. One day Nick will be the grandfather and he can give it to his grandchildren, who can also.

[Dylan Hafer]

If my grandfather River's daughter is going to be like, you know what?

[Natalie Joy]

Just dated.

[Dylan Hafer]

I'm done with this.

[Will]

Some would say the history stopped and.

[Nick Viall]

Started with Nick, period. I mean, again, like, my goal. My goal for the house is, like, it's going to be quite much, much bigger. And I want. I want it to be our family house. I want it to be a place that we can comfortably entertain my brothers and sisters, like family and friends. When we go up there, my parents don't, like, feel like, lived out, you know, like, pushed out, you know, their space. Like, I'm investing in the future. Like, right. Like, honestly, now that I'm a. I'm a new dad, I'm like, the next 20 years of my life, I'm really leaning in. I'm really, like, it's. It's all about making the next 20 years, like, as magical and as fun as possible.

[Dylan Hafer]

I'll be 45.

[Nick Viall]

6.

[Dylan Hafer]

46.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Then you could start the next chapter of your life over because, yeah, we'd pretty much be dead.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Just kidding. I know a lot of people have thoughts and Feelings. They now even posted some pictures of the. Of the project, and we got a couple. How dare you.

[Natalie Joy]

Really?

[Will]

The art history. Me is quaking right now.

[Nick Viall]

The.

[Will]

The art history in me.

[Nick Viall]

What do you mean, the art history?

[Will]

I studied art history, and I'm like, you just tore down a whole, like, artifact of your history. But that being said, it's your history. You didn't buy someone else's house.

[Nick Viall]

Well, the concrete steps that have the engraving of my mom's names and my uncle's names is still being preserved. We're saving that. There's so many places in the yard that are very much preserved. But like, yeah, we didn't keep the old shitty pipes and like the. The moldy whatever the fuck or whatever. And we decided instead of like having, you know, to work around this, like, low eight foot ceiling or seven foot ceiling. That was like what they did in 1965. We just said we're gonna make our own goddamn house. And it's gonna be inspired by the original house and it's gonna be a beautiful piece of property on my family's piece of land.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, congrats anyways.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Will]

Is there a room for us in this remodel?

[Nick Viall]

There's definitely room.

[Natalie Joy]

Are you invited?

[Britney Haynes]

Is the question right?

[Emmy]

That silence was not for us.

[Dylan Hafer]

We could do a class trip.

[Nick Viall]

Field trip. Class trip, I hope.

[Will]

I heard we're building rooms and there.

[Dylan Hafer]

Will be a studio there. So it's like we could everyone come out for a field trip and we'll.

[Will]

Go to the hotel.

[Dylan Hafer]

After some episodes, you check into the Motel 6 down the street.

[Nick Viall]

I just. I decided not to be burdened by what has been.

[Emmy]

Wow.

[Will]

Well, yeah.

[Emmy]

Do Justin and I get bunk beds?

[Nick Viall]

Maybe.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, maybe.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I don't know. I just.

[Natalie Joy]

And then there's me. Is there a Four Seasons nearby?

[Dylan Hafer]

There is not.

[Nick Viall]

There are a couple of. You know, my mom every once in a while will give us a. Oh. But she's. She's happy with her giant new bedroom and closet and bathroom.

[Will]

And you have to keep the materials and professional kitchen. Something else. Like keep the brick and make something else, you know, fireplace.

[Nick Viall]

We. We kept some stuff. Honestly, like, you got to. I'm not a hoarder. You got to just move, you know, you can't be attached to stuff like that. The. The land is truly what is what makes that place special and beautiful and.

[Dylan Hafer]

And the memories, you know, you don't throw out the memories.

[Will]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you know, where. You'll know where you are in the house. Like, it's like the the stairs are in the exact same spot. It'll look like. Am I crazy? You look. You look like you're judging me.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, the stairs are in the same spot.

[Will]

You sound like Marie Kondo. She would say the same. The organizer.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. She's like, throw away anything that doesn't bring you joy, like, thank you for.

[Will]

What it's given you and send it away. You'll never forget the memories.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I just don't like, why would we. It would like. It would be ridiculous to like try to build around and work around this old construction. It just didn't make any sense. Just for like, sentimental purposes. Well, forget about what I did wrong, listeners. The. Your real vitriol should be directed towards James Kennedy because if you have not heard he's best friends the tape brothers but doesn't know.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, I don't. Yeah, he did retract his. His photo by saying he did not know who they were. He thought they were podcasters who were just fans of Vanderpump.

[Nick Viall]

One of the brothers responded. Did they?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, no. What did they say?

[Nick Viall]

So if you go. For those of you guys don't know, the Tape brothers are awful. Yeah. I didn't know there were brothers. I just thought there was the one.

[Dylan Hafer]

Could you imagine?

[Emmy]

It's worse that there are two. That was scary to learn anyways.

[Nick Viall]

They're. Without trying to waste too much energy talking about them. They. They a lot of toxicity. They might be the poster children for toxic masculinity or anything toxic. I mean, they've been arrested for, I think trafficking and some other horrific things. I don't know. They seem like bad news.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't really want to search at your own description.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I turned. I turned down a selfie with Jax Taylor way back when because I was worried about the optics. Taking a picture with the Tape brothers is a whole new level. And given James is Kennedy, I like to call him Ike Kennedy's recent past with his violent, alleged violence towards his ex girlfriend. I. I think the selfie that he took with the Tate brothers was. Some might say the company he was keeping at least seemed to align with his past alleged behavior in the worst possible way. But then James quickly denied. What did he write? He.

[Will]

He said on an Instagram story, he said, I regret posting a photo with the Tate brothers at an event last night. I was unfamiliar with their content and the allegations against them. I only knew them as podcasters that had posted a viral clip about Vanderpump. I have since educated myself and condemned their beliefs. I am Sorry to all that I have offended.

[Nick Viall]

Then the less famous brother responded to James's denial of knowing the brothers, and he wrote, begged, and kissed my ass for 30 minutes straight and called me a hero. He knew exactly who I was and what content I made. He's just a. Well, he just. Then he offends him and then says, fuck this guy. Who knows who to believe, so to speak. Not that neither of them are. Either party is in.

[Dylan Hafer]

I mean, I feel like the Tate brother has less of a reason to lie and James has more of a reason.

[Nick Viall]

I will say. I will say none of it really makes sense, right? Because if you're James, it's like, how do you not know who these guys are? Especially, like, whether you went into this event, there seemed to be some event, or like, he was in a Vegas event. I don't know. Maybe it was.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't know how he still has his residency in Vegas.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe it was a UFC thing. But, like, even if you don't know who these guys are, when they walk into a room, like, they're making enough of a scene that someone's being like, yeah, it's them.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And who's them? It's like, well, they've done. It's like, so that doesn't make sense. Then he posts the selfie.

[Dylan Hafer]

What did he write on the selfie?

[Nick Viall]

Didn't he write something about bitcoin?

[Dylan Hafer]

Yes. I was like, so you know that.

[Will]

They, like, I guess you know that that's a bitcoin.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, you know they're into bitcoin, but you don't know that they were arrested for, like, trafficking, human trafficking.

[Will]

There's absolutely no way he didn't know.

[Nick Viall]

Anyways, when he posts a denial and it's just like, like, own it. I don't. It doesn't make.

[Natalie Joy]

I just know that he takes selfies with fans and things like that. He's not reposting them. And you made the effort to post this to your own story. So it's like, that would mean you were excited about these people.

[Dylan Hafer]

Do we remember the angle of the picture? Was it like James taking it? It was James taking the selfie.

[Natalie Joy]

Two brothers are on the. On the side of it.

[Nick Viall]

I'm really, really looking forward to Lisa Vanderpump's excuse for James. That should be fun. Yeah, that'll be really, really interesting.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, Gypsy Rose is out and about, and I'm a little.

[Nick Viall]

Little offended that she was in Los Angeles and didn't reach out to us. Her and Ken will randomly, like, Send us a picture of their growing family.

[Dylan Hafer]

Maybe they're done with us. It could be she got a new haircut and maybe she is like, these bitches. I'm a new woman.

[Will]

She got a Bob. She's sassy now.

[Dylan Hafer]

She got a Karen Bob.

[Emmy]

She got a fuck ass Bob. I love it.

[Will]

She was asked by, like, a reporter recently, like, did you see that Casey Anthony is giving legal advice? And she was like, I don't think Casey should be giving legal adv.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

To Gypsy's credit, I remember when I first met her, I was like. I was kind of like, hey, Gypsy, would you ever be interested in doing a true crime podcast? And she quickly was like, ew, no. Like, she has no interest in true crime. Which, I mean, at the time, I didn't know anything about her other than, you know, we just interviewed her.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I shamelessly was like, hey, you want to do a. You want to do a true crime podcast? And I didn't really know, but she had. I didn't really know what her response would be, and I didn't really have an opinion on what her response should be. But after she gave that response of kind of being like, like, no, I want nothing to do with it, it made me appreciate her more because I didn't put much thought into it. But once she gave that response, it was a normal response to be like, I'm. This is like, I don't want anything to do with this true crime community. I think the true crime community, I mean, has made her life, quite honestly, a living hell. I was talking to with our friend of show, Emily Baker, our official unofficial legal correspondent of the Vial Files, and I was talking to her about, like, true crime podcasts in general or that space. And she was, you know, again, like, with podcasting in general, it's kind of like the wild West. There's no, like, rules. People kind of come up with their own standards and things get a little hairy and dicey. Especially in the true crime podcast space when. When true crimers are discussing unsolved cases and there's like always, like this insane amount of speculation. Look, you know, not to get into it, but the Justin and Blake of it all is this, like, it's not a, you know, murder case or anything like that, but it's unsolved. We don't know know. And now there's just like, theory after theory after theory after theory. And like, you know, fine, say what you want about the Blake and just of it all, but some of these true crime cases, like, involve, like, murder Murder and sexual violence. And for true crimers out there to be, like, coming up with their fun theories and speculation about, like, family members and friends who, assuming they aren't guilty of whatever crimes being discussed, are dealing with this very terrible tragedy. And then you have all these, like, wannabe detectives and true crime experts going out and coming up with theory after theory. It looks like it's kind of, like, disgusting and horrifying. I think some of the true crime people out there do a great job and have, like, some, you know, standards, and they do try to police themselves to, like, have tact, but I think there's a lot who don't. And I remember, like, having that quick discussion with Gypsy at the time, and it. It made a lot of sense because I think she's been so turned off by just people like that having all these theories and. And speculations and. And coming up with the stuff that's completely out of pocket and for the people involved, probably incredibly hurtful.

[Dylan Hafer]

Absolutely.

[Nick Viall]

To hear about. So.

[Dylan Hafer]

So it is crazy that Casey Anthony was like, I'm just gonna pop in on TikTok and see, like, what the fans are doing these days.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, girl, when that woman talks, it's something. Something dark.

[Dylan Hafer]

And then she's now suing, like, for the comments. Who is she suing?

[Nick Viall]

She's suing or she's threatening?

[Natalie Joy]

I think she's threatened to sue. She was pretty much saying, like, your words have weight. So heed what you're saying, because anything that's defamation or liable in the state of Florida, it doesn't matter the jurisdictions here. So I can sue you for.

[Nick Viall]

She. She works for a law firm. She seems to be hired.

[Dylan Hafer]

Casey Anthony, not Nancy Grace. Who the fuck hired her? Who was like, yes, we want her on our team.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, Nancy Grace, she. She got that.

[Emmy]

She got that Bob back. And she said.

[Harvey Guillen]

She.

[Emmy]

She's. She's just saying what everyone's thinking, which is that it's a money grab. Her new legal advocacy, she says, I.

[Natalie Joy]

Am a legal advocate. I am a researcher. I've been in the legal field since 2011. And in this capacity, I feel that it's necessary if I'm going to continue to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for my daughter. As a proponent for. For the LGBTQ community, for our legal community and women's rights. I feel that it's important that I use this platform that was thrust upon me and now look as a blessing.

[Emmy]

Because she's an ally, I guess, to Everybody but her own family. I don't know. It's really dark.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, she says she's going to look at it now as a blessing, as opposed to the curse that it has been since 2008.

[Dylan Hafer]

Someone commented under her video, and it was like, the most, like, comment, and it said, Casey Anthony saying she's a legal advocate is like, Jeffrey Dahmer opening up a steakhouse. And that hit the Internet.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it resonated with people.

[Dylan Hafer]

It did, yeah.

[Emmy]

Just shockwave.

[Dylan Hafer]

Imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer. Is he still living?

[Emmy]

No, he's not.

[Harvey Guillen]

He's dead.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't. Honey, I mean, come on. There's too much in this brain, like, beauty and humor and. But imagine if he, like, got out of prison for some reason and then was like, I bought a franchise of Outback. People would be like, outback? The fuck?

[Emmy]

Well, I mean, O.J. did, right? If I did it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, he did.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Britney Haynes]

So it's not.

[Emmy]

This is not unprecedented.

[Dylan Hafer]

OJ has always leaned in and, like, dabbled on, like, the line, the very thin line.

[Emmy]

It worked, and it kind of worked for him. I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it did work for him going forward. And maybe Casey Anthony is attempting at. To kind of get what OJ Got afterwards, but, I mean, I don't know if it's gonna work.

[Nick Viall]

Listen, people like a spectacle, and the Internet is full of spectacles. And.

[Will]

Well, speaking of spectacle, did you see that the cop who arrested Justin Timberlake for the DWI was named, like, Officer of the Year?

[Nick Viall]

They really pro Brittany over in that town, in that jurisdiction? Yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Do you think it's only because he arrested Justin Timberlake?

[Will]

It had to be, right?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. I mean, it's Sag harbor, the Hamptons. So I'm like, there's. There's got to be a lot of.

[Dylan Hafer]

You don't think there's a lot of crime that's, like, white collar crime I can't talk about.

[Natalie Joy]

But they're like, we did arrest Justin Timberlake and made the news.

[Emmy]

He was honored for making an immediate impact during his first year on the job.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, that was his first year. And he arrested Justin Timberlake and he.

[Emmy]

He brought out the. This is going to ruin the tour.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, this is going to ruin the tour.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we have a big week lined up for you all on the Vial files. Before we talk about this coming week, don't forget that Dylan Efron's Going Deeper episode dropped last Friday, and it is a must listen, must watch episode. You will all want to make sure you check out. Today's episode is going to continue to be wacky and fun. We have Harvey Guillen with us, star of what we do in the Shadows. He's also in the new movie Companion. He's also a big Housewives fan and we are excited talk with him. All things Housewives coming up as well as we have Brittany from Traders joining us later this episode to talk about her scandalous exit and her voting for Danielle. I'm honestly a lot of people are thanking her for really the only drama that we were given in the finale, even though it was sweet and everyone got along. And on the Facebook one together with a little more. Brittany is with us to talk about her shakeup in the castle. And then we have this week on Going Deeper on Wednesday, Will and Emmy from Southern hospitality. Will did not show up for the reunion. Well, he did show up for the reunion but did not go on stage. He does show up here, we think. I don't know. He's supposed to show up later today we will sit down with Will and Emmy to talk about their whole season, their relationship, the rumors, the nastiness, all the things going on about them and their season of Southern hot hospitality that is this Wednesday. And then Thursday's jam packed as well. We have Heather McDonald is joining us. I was on Heather McDonald's show last week. We debated Justin and Blake. Not sure if we'll talk a lot of Housewives with Heather. Maybe a little Justin and Blake. South by Southwest is going on a lot of movie premieres. Blake and the rest of her cast was there premiering their new movie. Another simple favor. So Blake's out and about and then the fans were trolling as. As the fans do. I just find it fascinating that for all the hardcore Justin stands out there. One of the the rumors they like to throw out or the theories is the attraction that they allege Blake having for Justin. And it's just like, wait a second. If she was gonna have a thing.

[Dylan Hafer]

For it would be with Michael Marone.

[Nick Viall]

That's what I'm saying. Like that guy. He is sex.

[Dylan Hafer]

Have you ever seen365?

[Nick Viall]

I've heard you talk about it.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh my God.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, a lot.

[Dylan Hafer]

365 on Netflix.

[Nick Viall]

You've never seen it?

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh my God. You haven't seen it.

[Nick Viall]

I've seen a lot of memes.

[Will]

You haven't seen the scene.

[Dylan Hafer]

Holy shit.

[Nick Viall]

You haven't seen the scenes.

[Dylan Hafer]

The yacht scene is yacht sceneing. And Yahtzee, the yacht.

[Will]

Well, same thing.

[Dylan Hafer]

The yacht scene with him and Yahtzee.

[Emmy]

At the yacht scene.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't remember the female actress that he is in this scene with. But let me tell you, if you ever need a moment. Well, I don't know if it would be good work. Will it. Okay. If you ever need a moment.

[Natalie Joy]

Is she enjoying it?

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, my God. Okay. I mean, it is full on. Well, in the sex scene, she definitely.

[Will]

She is. Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yacht scene.

[Will]

Very aggressive, very sexy.

[Dylan Hafer]

Listen, if they would have put that sex energy into Baby Girl, I feel like Baby Girl would have been a lot more popular.

[Nick Viall]

Anyways, the rest of my case, it's good to see Blake out and about.

[Emmy]

I'm excited for a new Paul Feig movie. I really love him.

[Nick Viall]

And he loves Blake.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

And he loves shutting down a rumor.

[Emmy]

Yeah, he's a very talented. What was the rumor?

[Dylan Hafer]

Shutting down that they, Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick were, like, beefing, and he said that was incorrect or wrong or something. I mean, Anna Kendrick definitely does lean in to the narrative. She was asked, like, what does it mean to be working with Blake again?

[Nick Viall]

And, you know, responds with, she didn't.

[Dylan Hafer]

You know, she didn't say lovely. It's amazing.

[Nick Viall]

Which is what Blake's response was.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Will]

Well, Anna is so dry, too, that you can never tell if it's just, like, her sarcasm or if it's, like, a shade or who.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Also, like, I don't know, maybe two co workers not. Not being best friends isn't like, whatever.

[Dylan Hafer]

I mean, like, I hate Mary.

[Emmy]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

She gave nothing.

[Harvey Guillen]

Wow.

[Emmy]

I thought you were talking about Miriam Cosby.

[Nick Viall]

The Love is Blind finale and reunion have come and gone, and we only have one married couple, but good for them. You know, what started off with, are you stalking me? Has turned into the invisible string. Yeah, the what is the. Remind me what the invisible string is again.

[Will]

That you always have, like, a tie to your person. Like, it doesn't have to be romantic. It could just be, like, familiar, too. But it's like, it will always bring you back to the person, or like you're meant to eventually meet up with them so that everything clicks.

[Dylan Hafer]

Where do you think our invisible string is, like, attached to?

[Nick Viall]

What do you. I know. It's an unrestable metaphor.

[Emmy]

It's a Taylor Swift song.

[Will]

Well, no, I mean, it was. It's a theory before Taylor Swift.

[Britney Haynes]

Oh, yeah.

[Emmy]

That's.

[Will]

But it's just, like, you guys have an invisible string.

[Nick Viall]

We have one.

[Natalie Joy]

The invisible string theory is a belief that people are destined to meet and are reconnected by and are connected by Invisible string. It's based on fate, spirituality. The theory suggests that people are often hidden from each other, but will meet when the universe deems it right. So it's almost like being at the same place at the same time. For example, I ran into Connor at a bar when I was with my ex boyfriend a long time ago. He remembered me, didn't remember him. And I was like, who was that? Connor? Somebody's ex boyfriend. Okay, cool. Never saw him again. But it's like we've been at the same parties. We've been through life together, but we weren't together. Stay at the same Coachella house 10 years ago.

[Britney Haynes]

Wow.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's our fat asses.

[Dylan Hafer]

You think that's where the stream is connected to are assholes.

[Harvey Guillen]

Y'all are hilarious.

[Dylan Hafer]

Like, it was a stream that was pulled together. It's just butt touching.

[Nick Viall]

We weren't, thankfully, at the same parties 15 years ago.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, my God.

[Will]

To clarify, I think the invisible string is a string to your soul, not a physical part of your body.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, for sure.

[Emmy]

Maybe their souls are in our.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe it was a desire for our fat asses.

[Will]

Then in our souls, is Natalie doing something with your fat ass?

[Nick Viall]

I want to be clear. I also have a fat ass.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, yeah. And what am I doing to your fat ass?

[Nick Viall]

Whatever you want to.

[Natalie Joy]

I also have.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I just don't want anyone to think I'm objectifying my wife.

[Dylan Hafer]

He's objectifying himself.

[Nick Viall]

I'm objectifying myself too. Anyways, String. String. Congratulations to Taylor and Daniel for giving miniature.

[Dylan Hafer]

The only reason, honestly, they work together. When they were showing their pictures of them, like, out and about in the world. They look really cute together. They've bought their first home.

[Natalie Joy]

Like the inflatables of his Uncle Sam and her as the.

[Nick Viall]

Can I say something mostly to you a little bit to you? Oh.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

I'm sorry.

[Natalie Joy]

For what?

[Nick Viall]

My point still stands about sex.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, the days.

[Britney Haynes]

Because the truth came out.

[Nick Viall]

Not necessarily the truth, but I, I, my point still stands. I, I do think Lauren was misguided. I think she, she didn't, I didn't think Lauren put herself in the best possible position to be successful on the show. That's all I'm saying. I think she should have considered the environment she was going into and then, like, thought how things might have played out. That being said, like, days is so full of shit.

[Emmy]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

You know, it's just like when he came out there at the reunion and was like, lauren's the one who got away, motherfucker. Like, and it dawned on me. It dawned on me, like, I don't fault Dave for having been thrown off by the revelation of Lauren's relationship, coming into this relationship, but the fact that, like, to your bolt's point, like, he ended that relationship with. He couldn't even. He didn't even get to the altar. You know what I'm saying? He didn't even go through their motions. You know, there's one thing to be rattled, but they're just to, like, break up. It was definitely. He used. He definitely uses an excuse 100%.

[Natalie Joy]

Not giving the letter to his sister, not letting her meet his family, believing his friends over his fiance.

[Dylan Hafer]

Not even, like, a phone call. He wouldn't even let Lauren, like, talk to her on the phone.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And then. And then for him to show up at the reunion and pretend that she's the one who got away. And Lauren being like, you had my number the whole time.

[Dylan Hafer]

She was like, we've been at bars together and you got away. I'm here.

[Nick Viall]

You could have bought me a goddamn drink.

[Natalie Joy]

I literally can't run. There's only six bars in our area.

[Harvey Guillen]

Well, he didn't.

[Nick Viall]

Also didn't show. He didn't listen to my advice at the reunion. He decided to pull his whole stunt.

[Dylan Hafer]

Neither did Alex, because he did not grow a beard.

[Emmy]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

You know, I think he actually shaved more off for the.

[Natalie Joy]

He did grow more hair.

[Nick Viall]

Hair on his head. Madison has a whole new look.

[Dylan Hafer]

She went from pink back to blonde.

[Nick Viall]

Blonde looks nice, though. It looks.

[Emmy]

Nothing wrong with going from paint back to blonde. I've done that before.

[Dylan Hafer]

I just feel like it's a little dangerous to your hair now.

[Emmy]

It is. And, like, it's great for three months and then you're like, oh, no.

[Will]

I think she overtoned it. It was like a color conditioner. She wanted to, like, be spicy in the moment. All of it.

[Nick Viall]

I thought her hair looked nice. It is, like, just hard to keep up with. Because we saw three different versions of Madison in a short period of time. I know that, like, the power of cameras and timing. Like, she probably felt like this was, like, just normal, you know?

[Emmy]

It has been a year.

[Nick Viall]

No, that's what I'm saying. It has been a year. But for us, it was like, Jesus Christ. I can't keep up with this girl. She is so messy. Does anyone believe anything that comes out of that woman's mouth?

[Dylan Hafer]

It's hard when, like, three of the relationships have issues with her. Like, it's really hard to watch Monica and Joey, like, have this issue of her being like texting with Joey and then meeting him at the bar and then like all of, you know, all of these issues and then.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, and Madison kind of told on herself because she's like, well, it's how I feel when anyone like, is like going back and forth in an argument and then they, they have nothing left but just being like, but guys, it is how I felt. And that's really the only argument they have left, which is like, yeah, we can't. We. We are all entitled to our feelings. That is a fact. But like, if. If all you have are your feelings and then like no facts or really, like, you know, statements of truth or anything like that, but just the fact that you felt a certain way and was hurt by someone else for some reason, and then that's your justification for doing whatever it is you said or did that seems to be Madison. It's just like, yeah, but I was hurt. It's like, no, I'm sure you were. But like, that doesn't justify any of these things that you are like, allegedly did. And then like her, her receipts. I was just confused. What, like, so according to her, Alex basically, like, she was trying to.

[Dylan Hafer]

I think she was trying to prove that Alex was like talking. But the only proof that she has or brought with her was that him being him saying emojis that Megan Mason are back together. Melty face emoji. She thought that was important to include, which honestly, I love that emoji. I think it's very fun.

[Emmy]

It's one of my favorites.

[Dylan Hafer]

And then to say like, and they wore their reveal outfits when they first met each other.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I'm dead. Like, hahaha. My friends are so goofy. Like, they're so silly and fun, dad.

[Dylan Hafer]

But it's like she was trying to.

[Nick Viall]

How is that hurt? How is that him talking shit?

[Will]

She tried to do like the blanket statement. Because there's one specific text where it was, I told you a lot of the stuff and confidence that wasn't meant for other people to hear. And now I feel like a bad guy. I'm just going to go back to only saying nice things about people no matter what. So she's trying to be like. And that's because everything you said.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, it's like, well, and that's all referring to all the you said about Mason. It's like, well, where is the he said about Mason? Yeah, where is all of that? Because she said he said that Mason was weird and had no friends. And she said that he said Mason or You Mason or something? Where is that proof like, and why.

[Nick Viall]

Also like it does. It felt like this particular reunion, it felt like all the ladies taking their turn on everyone but our happily engaged Taylor. Taylor and then Lauren was also.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't think it was all the ladies, honestly. I think it was just Madison and Monica, Sarah that I had.

[Nick Viall]

Madison and Sarah.

[Will]

Virginia didn't have a problem.

[Nick Viall]

Well, particularly Monica, Madison and Sarah all, like, took their respective turns on trying to tell their story and why they think they deserve the Ariana Maddox treatment. That seems to be the new thing on reality TV sometimes where it's just like they want to give their pitch on why they feel the most scorned or why they were the most unfairly treated by their breaker up counterpart. And they. They want the sympathy of the audience to get the. All the. All the ad campaigns.

[Dylan Hafer]

I will say I disagree with Sarah trying to come after Ben trying to like, paint this whole. Like, you were very scripted and I don't believe you. Like, I think if you don't break up on bad terms, like, they seem to just like, not have like the most aligned values maybe is really the reason they didn't end up together. And it's like, clearly they were in some sort of communication. So it's like for him to say, hey, I think we should like get on this on the same page. Get on good terms before reunion is like the most respectful way to go about. Like, that was someone that he was engaged to. And if there's any issues, it's like, let's work through these. Not on national television like we do. We left this relationship with equal respect for each other. So, like, why out all of this shit on national television?

[Nick Viall]

Why does it make him a bad.

[Dylan Hafer]

Guy if we could just work through it right now?

[Nick Viall]

Because it sure felt like their versions were just more like. More like he had a version of a breakup where there were some maybe hurt feelings and she had a version. But it felt like both their versions included them being like normal people where no one really did anything.

[Natalie Joy]

My confusion though is that I'm like, how does one person think that somebody's moving to Nashville and the other person thinks they're broken up.

[Will]

Yeah, I'm with Sarah on this one.

[Emmy]

I'm a Sarah.

[Natalie Joy]

It sounds like she's. They had a conversation that he was supposed to move down and then he ghosted her. Then doesn't talk to her for a while, comes back with an apology.

[Nick Viall]

Well, the ghosting seemed to be unclear.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, no, he apo to Maya. He was. She Was like, why did you take me off find my friends? And he was like, I'm sorry I took you off find my friends. But, like, we're. We're broken up. Like, I can't be tracking you all the time. I can't have you tracking me. Like, we're broken up. So I'm so sorry. Blah, blah, blah, whatever. She felt like that was a very scripted apology and didn't feel like that was real. And then he texts her before reunion, being like, hey, we should get on the same page.

[Emmy]

What it seemed to me of, like, what the kind of issue with the reunion thing is is that it was. He had talked to Jimmy, right?

[Natalie Joy]

Yes.

[Emmy]

And it was because of Jimmy's advice that he thought Jimmy from previous seasons said that he should get on better terms with Sarah, which I think she probably took.

[Nick Viall]

Why is that bad?

[Dylan Hafer]

But I don't think that's bad either. I think all of these people who go on this show have a very, like, personal experience. It's very hard. I think they go from normal life to filming. A year later, it airs. The whole fucking Internet has an opinion about them. So I think, like, them leaning on past cast members, especially Jimmy, who did kind of go through a very public breakup with Chelsea. They had some issues. He went to the reunion. She kind of came after him. I don't think he left the reunion feeling very well. So I feel like Ben reaching out to Jimmy or anyone from previous seasons isn't, like, a negative thing.

[Emmy]

I don't think it's a bad thing.

[Nick Viall]

I appreciate all these people trying to give us good, dramatic tv, but it really feels like that, like, they're just trying. Like, there's nothing really here. Like there's nothing really happened. There's maybe some hurt feelings. Maybe someone could have communicated a little better or a little bit more effectively or could have been a little bit more upfront. But there's always, like, when you're really upfront, then you get accused of being a dick, you know? And all I'm saying is, when it comes to breakups, does someone did really something wrong here? Like, is he allowed to decide not to move to Nashville after maybe agreeing to moving to Nashville, or is that like a life contract of some kind?

[Will]

I think the issue is she felt disrespected, because I don't doubt it, but.

[Nick Viall]

Like, people feel disrespected all the time. And that's kind of my point is, like, feeling disrespected isn't a crime.

[Emmy]

But no one's saying it's A crime at the reunion. They're just arguing at the reunion for.

[Will]

Tv, I was gonna say. My point was that the only reason he reached out was to rewrite the history of what happened. So I think that's where she was like, you only reached out. And if you look at what Ben said, everything he said was scripted. Like, every answer was him saying the same thing, but in a different way, using the same buzzwords. So it's like she was like, you only reached out to me. Be on the same page, but we're not even on the same page of what happened.

[Dylan Hafer]

I think Ben knew he was not going to get out of that reunion in a good light. So he was like. Let me just say the basic, like, yep. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry I hurt you. This is my version of things. This is how it played out for me.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

And I feel like he wasn't in a place where he could be like, let's argue with this woman on national television. Because that's kind of like what he texted her to do over text or over phone or in person or on FaceTime before the reunion. So neither of them had to do it on national television, which I honestly respect. If there was no. If he. If neither of them did anything wrong.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Dylan Hafer]

Like, you know, they left on good terms. There was some obviously confusion of, like, who's going to Nashville, who's not, whatever. Like, a little ghosting on. It seems like both of their ends. But I. I don't see anything wrong with him being like, let's just, like, not air out all of our dirty laundry in front of the world. Let's do it with each other and get on, like, this is all that matters, is me and you at the end of the day. So, like, let's get on good terms. Let's crush whatever beef we have and, like, go to the reunion and be like, we're good.

[Will]

I also don't think it's, like, I don't think she's obligated to be on good terms with him.

[Nick Viall]

She's not obligated, but, like, it is a little.

[Will]

But I think it was, like, offered as, like, well, if I'm trying to be on good terms and, like, you automatically have to also be on good terms.

[Nick Viall]

Not necessarily, but I. I look at it the other way. I look at it as she found it to be potentially financially beneficial for her not to be on good terms with Ben.

[Will]

Well, we don't know that.

[Nick Viall]

We don't. You're Right. But we also don't know his motives either. I'm just saying, like, this is the.

[Natalie Joy]

Guy that was leaving his business card for his YouTube videos, correct?

[Will]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Y.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Dylan Hafer]

Just wanted to make sure. Yeah, yeah.

[Emmy]

Clog the whole.

[Nick Viall]

A little douchey. Whatever. I'm just saying, like, we can sit here and like, poke fun. I just think there's a big difference between some of these, like, accusations being thrown around this reunion versus, like, you know, Raven back in the day when she was like being two time. But that's kind of my point. It's just like there's no real meat on these bones. Right? There's no. No. There's like the worst thing, the worst accusation here is you were going to move and then you just.

[Dylan Hafer]

That everything was scripted and nothing was genuine.

[Nick Viall]

But I agree. I like, I agree. I agree with your interpretation. I think he looked like a guy who was. I'm not gonna argue with her because I'm not gonna win here. Yeah, like, no one's gonna have my side. I'm not gonna raise my voice and get into it with Sarah on the couch. I'll just like, you know that one. I'll say I was wrong and like, you can think what you want because I'm not gonna win. And honestly, that was probably the smart move because he's.

[Dylan Hafer]

I do wish they would have given Joey's sister a mic because she seemed like she wanted to get real vocal. Y. Monica was coming at him, but Virginia and Devin was interesting how she was basically like, I know he's not comfortable talking about his beliefs on camera and I'm not comfortable repeating his beliefs on camera. But I will tell you what my beliefs are, which I feel like was the shadiest way.

[Emmy]

Very classy, very shady.

[Natalie Joy]

Very good.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yes. Also, she talked about, like, what was this whole check thing that like, his mom wrote a check for them to get married.

[Natalie Joy]

His mom's boss wrote a check for.

[Will]

The wedding and she never knew of the check until after. So she never saw the check.

[Nick Viall]

Check.

[Will]

And she was like, I'm not saying you pocketed the money, but like, I didn't even know that existed.

[Dylan Hafer]

So it's a weird thing to not mention. I feel like anytime we got any sort of money for our wedding, whether it's from my family, Nick's family, a mutual friend, it was like, oh my God, look, they sent us a hundred bucks. How nice. It was a conversation we have with each other. So I think Devin not telling her was definitely a little red flaggy.

[Natalie Joy]

And it was like Days before, too. Like, she ran into somebody's mom or something like that who told her. So she was kind of like, is he gonna tell me about.

[Nick Viall]

No, no. He could have definitely forgotten.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, he said he was waiting until he was after they were married to.

[Nick Viall]

Tell her, which, I mean, I, I. It's not that hard to believe that he had a million things running through his mind. And the check that his mom's boss.

[Dylan Hafer]

Wrote for you don't think he's like, I signed this prenup, that means everything's going to be both of ours the second we marry. So maybe I'll just keep this to myself.

[Will]

I think that's exactly it.

[Nick Viall]

When did he cash the check? Check?

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't know. When he cast the check. No one ever said when he cashed.

[Nick Viall]

The check, but it was alleged that he hadn't cashed it yet. It seemed my understanding he had not cashed it.

[Will]

I think Virginia.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm just saying if. But if you have the prenup theory, that theory doesn't work, because if he cashes it after they're married, then they're sharing it.

[Dylan Hafer]

No, he was going to tell her after they were married that he got the check.

[Nick Viall]

But when did he cash the check?

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't know. I am not Wells Fargo. AD And Ali are engaged. Did that ruin Perfect Match or.

[Nick Viall]

I don't, I don't. I was. I guess. Congratulations. But thanks.

[Natalie Joy]

The way I was so confused. I was like, are they hosting the next season? And then I had to, like, Google, and it's like, no, they're on the upcoming season. And then Vanessa's asking him.

[Dylan Hafer]

I guess, honestly, they were probably like, listen, we're ready to get engaged. Like, so either we need to, like, announce this with y'all, or we're gonna announce it on our own. But, like, our relationship's ready to move forward. And it's not the timeline of Perfect.

[Nick Viall]

Match, just Perfect Match. Like, have they ever had an engaged couple? I don't know if, like, that's the show.

[Will]

Not that I know of. Usually it ends with drama.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

I feel like it ends with, like, people voting who the perfect match was. Right.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. They just vote and they go on a trip together.

[Dylan Hafer]

They went a trip, remember?

[Will]

Because the random couple came out of nowhere last season.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Justin, Harry, Micah, who was it? Yeah, it was like, the last. People weren't even on it.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Ended up winning.

[Will]

It was all we know is any drama to do with Ollie or AD Just disregard it when you're watching Perfect Match.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. They're engaged. Nothing to worry about. I will say they do everything in their power on these reunions to just like they. They'll throw in anything. They'll throw in like a magician if they need to. It's like that means Alex Warren, though.

[Natalie Joy]

Do you remember Alex Warren?

[Will]

Alex Warren. He was on our podcast.

[Nick Viall]

Was that Alex Warren?

[Natalie Joy]

We did go in deeper.

[Dylan Hafer]

We had him. That was Alex Warren. Even though he does look a lot like Alex the contestant.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Will]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Now it makes sense. That makes sense now. Nice performance. Good for him.

[Natalie Joy]

It was that. It was the ad for the. If you want to be in the pods where I'm like, cartoon real people.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. And then like all the. The best moments, which some of it I'm like, why are we bringing this up again?

[Natalie Joy]

Like Sarah Ann, Lauren, Jeremy, Sarah Ann. That was the top moment. Number three moment.

[Will]

I mean, I do remember that.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie Joy]

I think Jessica.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I. For whatever you think about season eight's Love is Blind in Minneapolis, I heard season nine in Denver is a smash hit. Really Full of toxicity and drama. That's what I heard.

[Dylan Hafer]

They do need it.

[Nick Viall]

We'll see if they come through.

[Dylan Hafer]

I think it might take a while after this season for people to jump on to next season. You know, I think they might be.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I think people watched. We've done worse.

[Dylan Hafer]

That's true. You know, bachelor seasons have been way worse than this Love is line season.

[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

Harvey, welcome to the show.

[Harvey Guillen]

Thanks for having me.

[Nick Viall]

How are you doing?

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm good.

[Nick Viall]

Love what we do in the shadows.

[Harvey Guillen]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

Always been a fan. We're also very excited that you're a big Housewives fan. Fan.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh yeah. Huge housewife.

[Dylan Hafer]

What's your favorite?

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm kind of. I'm torn between Salt Lake right now and then Potomac just because of what's happening. I feel like everyone should just put everyone who's been a prison into, like, one cell and then, like, have housewives of.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, Housewives of Cell Block one.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. And they all have to do, like, cell Block Tango.

[Nick Viall]

What if they did, like, a prison? Housewives. Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Someone said this under. Something in. Andy was like, too soon? Like, please.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too soon. But is it.

[Dylan Hafer]

It could be.

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm just thinking ahead.

[Nick Viall]

I do have a favorite housewife.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, God. I mean, I love Bronwyn from Salt Lake only because we become friends. They see. And she's friends with Bronwyn, too. She's really lovely. And I think out of all them, she was like, I don't know why they. They, they. They tried to attack her. Like, it was just like, she's new. She came in. She's stylish. She's fabulous. And then all of a sudden, they're like, we don't like you. And it's like, what? She didn't do anything?

[Natalie Joy]

And she's richer than them?

[Harvey Guillen]

That part. Yeah, I think that was that part.

[Nick Viall]

And she's unbothered, and she's not a follower.

[Harvey Guillen]

And that's what I. You know, and I had dinner with her and, like, Todd and, like, it was just like, they're just the nicest people.

[Nick Viall]

You had dinner with her and Todd?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, we were at a. At a dinner for Christian Seriano in New York. And so, like, I'm sitting next to them, and I was like, they're the nicest people, and I want to have dinner with.

[Nick Viall]

With Todd.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

How. How was Todd?

[Harvey Guillen]

Todd was lovely. He's very charming. Very. Like, he's just a nice guy, and just, like, he's all, you gotta come over. You gotta come over and come into the house. I was like, okay, I'm gonna come over.

[Dylan Hafer]

I have to show you my Starbucks cup.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Literally. I was like, I love that. And he's a Dodgers fan. He's a baseball fan. So I think he's going to the. The game in Tokyo to open the Dodgers. And I was like, I'm a huge fan. And. Yeah, so.

[Dylan Hafer]

So you're gonna go to the game with him?

[Harvey Guillen]

I don't know. It's not. I'm not putting myself in someone's Jack.

[Nick Viall]

Does he fly private?

[Harvey Guillen]

Say, I don't want to put myself in someone's jet, but if it hears.

[Nick Viall]

That I want to go.

[Harvey Guillen]

If you tell me to go, I'll go.

[Nick Viall]

If Todd flew you. Yeah, Private. To Japan.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then was like, you got to find your own way home, buddy. I mean, would you be fine with that?

[Harvey Guillen]

That's fine.

[Nick Viall]

Or would you go. Would you go. Would you go the distance with, like, Lisa?

[Harvey Guillen]

I don't wear coach and I don't buy coach.

[Dylan Hafer]

Would you.

[Nick Viall]

What?

[Dylan Hafer]

Would you. That's a long flight.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's a long floor flight. I just did it last week, actually.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Harvey Guillen]

Nine and a half hour flight. First class.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, of course, of course not. 19C.

[Harvey Guillen]

No, 19. 19C.

[Dylan Hafer]

That's okay. Nick puts me in row 50, so.

[Harvey Guillen]

What?

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, he does. Anytime he flies, he's in first class. But if I'm with him.

[Nick Viall]

Where's Ro?

[Dylan Hafer]

50?

[Nick Viall]

I was in first class.

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm freaking out.

[Dylan Hafer]

It's really up, honestly.

[Nick Viall]

That is. That is. That is what you call a farce. Okay, well, half truth.

[Harvey Guillen]

Well, half truth, half life.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. It has to be one of them. So.

[Harvey Guillen]

50. 50.

[Nick Viall]

I did buy her something really big recently.

[Harvey Guillen]

Let me guess. You have to wear it and you look amazing in it. I bought you something that I enjoy. Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

She does not have to wear. Wear anything.

[Harvey Guillen]

Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

[Dylan Hafer]

Hurting me to wear.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, but he's loving it.

[Dylan Hafer]

But he's loving it. No, you did.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, surprise, surprise. I want to watch this play out. Yeah, well, I'm freaking out.

[Dylan Hafer]

That's crazy. So, yeah, row 50 is fun. If you ever wanted to see what it was like back there, maybe I could take you.

[Harvey Guillen]

I don't know her.

[Dylan Hafer]

You don't know her. Yeah, well, I'm quite comfortable back there, so.

[Harvey Guillen]

I mean, I. I flew coach all the time. And one of the biggest perks of, like, being in a project is that they fly you business, and that's really nice. And I think the first time I ever flew business was when I got, like, a big gig that took me out of town because, I mean, yeah, I always flew coach. And so that was one of the biggest perks. That was one of the things I look forward to. So when, like, SAG was doing their, you know, whole reevaluating contracts, that was one of the things that were, like, taking out. I was like, no, no, no, no, that's. No, don't do.

[Dylan Hafer]

Don't do it.

[Harvey Guillen]

Residuals who care? Like, it's like the business AI.

[Natalie Joy]

Take my face.

[Harvey Guillen]

I don this. Yeah, you cannot take my face. I'm going to reiterate. You cannot take my face.

[Dylan Hafer]

No. It is just. I think it would be fine if it were the two of us, but the fact that I did carry birth his child, and he's putting me and his 13 month old daughter in row 50 is, I think, what is really good.

[Harvey Guillen]

He's torturing both of us. Yeah. Someone told me a story that said they sit next to Teddy Mellencamp's nanny and their kids. So she was up in first class and the kids were. Yeah, with the nanny. She's like, I got to meet her. You did. She was sitting next to you. No, sitting next to her nanny and the kids. And she came back to check up on them and she was like, how you guys doing? Good. And then she went back to first class.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like that's.

[Dylan Hafer]

What are you guys doing?

[Nick Viall]

Good. Is that weird?

[Harvey Guillen]

The cur.

[Natalie Joy]

Don't disturb my.

[Dylan Hafer]

Take a hot towel immediately.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Would that be bad?

[Harvey Guillen]

No, I think it's good. I mean, the nanny's there with the kids are being taken care of. That's totally. You know, it makes sense, but I don't know about yours. I think.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. I mean, ours is still a lap. Our lap child.

[Nick Viall]

So we just can't afford it. We're on a budge.

[Harvey Guillen]

You can afford it.

[Nick Viall]

No, I didn't pay for it.

[Harvey Guillen]

Got it.

[Nick Viall]

See the YouTube that got me first class.

[Dylan Hafer]

But remember when you were flying yourself and you had that little emblem on the. On the chair?

[Nick Viall]

Well, that was because when I. When I checked in, they're like, do you want to upgrade for a couple bucks? And I was like, sure, yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

And if you fly enough, you get enough like, you know, cloud or something or level.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I'm waiting for that. I.

[Harvey Guillen]

They. I just, you know, I started collecting points, and that's how I got to go to Japan, because I just started cashing in my points, and I was like, how many points do I have? My friend's like, you can fly first class to Japan. I was like, let's go right now. Took my sister for her birthday, so we loved it. So you, after traveling back and forth for work, you get a lot of points.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. All right.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Use those points on them.

[Natalie Joy]

You just got done with Oscars week.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

How was it, the celebrations parties?

[Harvey Guillen]

It was great. Went to, you know, Elton John's party for the Oscars and to raise money for the AIDS organization, which is a great organization. You guys should look into that. And br.

[Dylan Hafer]

You guys should look into that.

[Harvey Guillen]

We look into that.

[Nick Viall]

We, we. We. We went to that party a couple. Couple years ago. We haven't been invited since.

[Harvey Guillen]

Haven't been invited back. It's really fun. It's a fun party. Chapel. Rowan was singing, and it's Kind of cool, cuz the version takes place in the park behind the Abbey. And she sang Pink Pony Club, which is based on the Abbey. That's what the song is based on. And then Elton was singing and it was like, what is going on? And Ronald and I were like front row. And so I was just like this. And we looked at each other like, this will never happen again. Like, this will never ever happen again. This formula, it's just. It was great.

[Dylan Hafer]

Did you see any celebrities, like having to take their shoes off because their feet hurt? Did you see any, like couples arguing? Did you see any.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, I mean, people take off their shoes all the time. Like, for sure. I feel like I saw people in the. The carpet. Like, I'm like, we're not even done with the carpet yet.

[Dylan Hafer]

And they're like, take these off.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. So that happened in the dance floor as well. And then you feel weird because of their barefoot and you're dancing. If someone steps anyone's toes. Yeah, I don't want to step anyone's toes.

[Dylan Hafer]

Did you ever like see maybe like a pair of, I don't know, like Louboutins or Jimmy shoes or something? Like someone had kicked off and like.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, I mean, what you mean like what I take? I mean, it's like that Sex in the City episode where she goes to like, she goes like, but they were my shoes. Like, that's too much money for.

[Dylan Hafer]

She's like, but you took them off at my door. But you made me.

[Harvey Guillen]

Then she sends an invite, right? Or like, no, I don't think I would. Especially cuz. No, that's. I don't know. That be weird. And also, are they my size?

[Dylan Hafer]

What size are you?

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm 11. I'm like, these are.

[Nick Viall]

Screaming.

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm freaking out.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, no, but they are Louis Vuitton. So anyways, we'll be moving on. Did you see Tamara Judge is speaking. Her exit from Real House of OC.

[Harvey Guillen]

In the middle of filming in New Orleans. Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Just posted a selfie in the airport.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that's her best friend, co star Teddy. Like is fight. Literally fighting for her life. I mean, I mean, I got to.

[Harvey Guillen]

Assume like the petty drama just like.

[Nick Viall]

You know, you're just like, I don't. Who. Who gives a shit?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, I guess at some point, I mean, they've also had a long run.

[Dylan Hafer]

Right.

[Harvey Guillen]

Like she's been on for a while. Oh gee. If she OG.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh gee. O.C.

[Natalie Joy]

I believe she's.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

From first season. Absolutely.

[Harvey Guillen]

Wow. That's a song right there. I should think about her next adventure. I'm OG she was off the show.

[Natalie Joy]

For a couple of years and then came back maybe two years ago.

[Harvey Guillen]

But she is og, right?

[Natalie Joy]

She is, yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Will]

No, she joined season three.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's. That's early on that we can forget the pretty og.

[Nick Viall]

How many. How many seasons?

[Harvey Guillen]

Who's still standing from, like, the. The Jersey Housewives from O.C. like, like, it's. I still remember, like, you know, the. Even the way they were shot. Like, it was like the family was behind them and the kids and the dog, and now they're like, leave them out. It's about them. Yeah, it's just like. What would be your catchphrase if you're a housewife?

[Dylan Hafer]

You know, none of them come up with it. Come up. Yeah, yeah. They just say them all and then they find out what the producers picked when the show airs.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Isn't that crazy?

[Nick Viall]

The trick is criminal.

[Will]

The trick is to read the ones you don't like in a bad way so that they can't use.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's true.

[Will]

They do.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. You could hear sometimes they did read that way and they still went with that.

[Dylan Hafer]

Say, use it in like a crazy accent.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, they're like, you might think I'm crazy, but I don't know how to finish that sentence.

[Dylan Hafer]

That didn't make any sense. Yeah, perfect. So. But she did post a selfie in the airport looking like she is leaving filming. She is done. Which I guess when you are that close to someone who is fighting so hard for their life, you realize that, like, the petty, stupid drama just isn't worth it, you know? And that's probably what all her co star stars. I mean, that's what every reality TV show is about, is just like stupid, petty drama. And so I feel like she was probably like this.

[Harvey Guillen]

Just.

[Dylan Hafer]

I don't give a. Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

You know, and people say that, you know, like, even with. With Potomac, where, like, people say that she's not like that in real life. I like her in real. I like Karen in real life. I don't like her when she's on the show because you act differently in front of a camera. So I feel like that changes you a little bit. And so I feel like, what is Karen like when she's not the grand. You know? Because that's all I know. Yeah, she's this bigger than life, you know, character now. She's, you know, jail print in jail. Would you whisper that we can hear you?

[Nick Viall]

Oh, sorry, sorry. My inner monologue.

[Dylan Hafer]

Are you watching Bev Hills?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yes.

[Dylan Hafer]

Are you a dorit or Kyle? Where?

[Harvey Guillen]

Man, this I really like. Oh, I was so sad about signing her mom. Like, her mom was just. I know. It's just, like, the relationship, I feel like it's final, only healing maybe. I don't know. But she was really sad because she was like, I know you don't like flying. I don't mind flying. Okay. I know you don't like cashes. I love cashews. It was like everything was the opposite.

[Nick Viall]

And, like, why. Why couldn't Sutton fly her mom out?

[Harvey Guillen]

She did. She did fly her out, but she missed her flight. Yeah, her flight was.

[Dylan Hafer]

Why couldn't you put her on a private jet if her wallet is so big?

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, I think my wallet is.

[Dylan Hafer]

And I think my wallet is. Well, then if it is, why isn't your mother here?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, charter. Oh, I didn't think about that.

[Nick Viall]

Like, you got you. She's getting, like, 300k a month. She couldn't. Like, she couldn't. She couldn't allocate, like, 50 of that.

[Dylan Hafer]

I feel like Dorit would have for mama.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, Dorit would have. Yeah. I will say. Yeah. Erica Jane always flew everyone in her crew. You would not be sitting in fifth row. 50.

[Dylan Hafer]

No, you would not be.

[Harvey Guillen]

So something I appreciate about Erica is that she always said that, yes, she might have been, you know, using funds from.

[Natalie Joy]

So I may not have been loved.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Natalie Joy]

But, like, I got where I needed to go real fast.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

And Dory, like, Dorit. I feel like I like this story. Like, she gives. No, like, she's just like, it's. I like that. Where's this one? Because before, it was, like, pk. So proper, you know?

[Natalie Joy]

Like, I was like, we're like, you're from Connecticut.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. And then now she's just smoking, and she's like, I don't give up. Yeah, it's kind of great.

[Dylan Hafer]

I honestly do think, though, if Nick did have a British accent, I also would have a British accent. It's just.

[Harvey Guillen]

I would rubs off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That does make sense.

[Dylan Hafer]

And if Alec Baldwin had a Hispanic accent, it would make sense for also Hilaria to have one of his.

[Nick Viall]

But he doesn't.

[Harvey Guillen]

Does not have.

[Natalie Joy]

I think, hilarious. Also from Connecticut.

[Dylan Hafer]

What's in the water in Connecticut? Connecticut, also.

[Nick Viall]

But. But is Hilaria better than Hillary? Like, why would she opt for Hilaria? Which.

[Harvey Guillen]

Hilarious.

[Dylan Hafer]

Duh. As would I.

[Nick Viall]

But she is hilarious. But, like, I don't know if it's a.

[Natalie Joy]

With correction, she's from Boston, and it Was actually.

[Harvey Guillen]

It was actually typed in like it was in Spanish. You wouldn't pronounce the H. It be elaria.

[Nick Viall]

So. Oh, you told her.

[Harvey Guillen]

Cuz you don't say the H. And if you were going to say the H like a, it would be a J.

[Natalie Joy]

Exactly.

[Harvey Guillen]

Hilaria would be with the J. Like Javier.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh my gosh. Well, sorry, you learned here.

[Nick Viall]

You heard it here first.

[Dylan Hafer]

How would. How would you say. Say Nick.

[Harvey Guillen]

Nick.

[Dylan Hafer]

Perfect.

[Harvey Guillen]

Super sexy. Super.

[Dylan Hafer]

No, I love that. I'm circling that.

[Nick Viall]

Did you keep up and watch any Vanderpump before it exited?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, it was hard to watch that one because it was like, you know, I'm from Zana and so that was like a damn. Like it's. The last couple years have been tough, you know, to watch. And then I just finished Traders. So then you're watching. Yes. You don't root for a certain character because you go into a game and you're like, I already know. I don't trust you. You know, even though it was plain sight that they weren't a traitor, it was like, I still think somehow.

[Natalie Joy]

So you would have been Dolores. Just.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

She was so mad at Bob the Drag Queen too. She was like, I. I made it nice. You know, I just.

[Nick Viall]

Did you see that Sheena had quite the weekend.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

With Lady Gaga.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. And they were at the SNL after party.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Kind of a big deal.

[Harvey Guillen]

Huge deal.

[Nick Viall]

Huge deal. First, Lady Gaga is like saying that Sheena's like the one and only character that she will miss the most. And then meeting her and then like weeks later she's. I got. I assume that invite is coming from.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Miss. Miss lady to be on.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. That's the, that's the party where I met Lady Gaga for the first time. Because. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I'm so sorry. How does one get invited to said party?

[Harvey Guillen]

Does like I think of your friends to the cast members. So I know a lot of the cast members, but like that was the day that Bad Bunny hosting and Lady Gaga came to the after party and it was like Pedro Pascal was there and like Lady Gaga and she was there with her. She was really nice. Like the way I met her was that. That. No, it might have been different. I've been a couple times.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh my God.

[Harvey Guillen]

And it wasn't the Pedro Pascal one that. It was another one. But she was there with her fiance. But then boyfriend. She. They had just started dating, but she. The first thing she did was like, hi, nice to meet you. This is my. Like, she introduces the person that she's with. This is really, really nice because sometimes when you meet, like, celebrities, something, they're like, hi, how's it going? And there's someone next to them, and they just won't acknowledge them. And you're like, hi, how are you? And this is my husband from your. You know.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. So it's like, this is my son.

[Harvey Guillen]

This is my son.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Lost, lost son. I found you today.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think Shino was invited by Lady Gaga or a someone from the cast?

[Harvey Guillen]

I think it might. It could have been both, but I feel like she knows people from, like, maybe from the cast. I feel like it would have been easy, like, connection to make, like, a cast member.

[Nick Viall]

We've interviewed a couple of people from the cast. They have invited us.

[Harvey Guillen]

Really? They're really lovely. Like, I. Every time I've gone, I've never planned.

[Nick Viall]

It, like, I mean, it was over zoom, though.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh. Maybe that's why.

[Dylan Hafer]

Energy.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. The energy in person. You get it, you know? And you have to say it with Nick, you know, it's me, it's me. It's me, Nick. I think every time I done it, it's been like, in the day of, like, the. I'm there on a Saturday. I'm like, what's going on Saturday? You know? And then, like, I'm like, what are you doing tonight? They're like, come to the show.

[Dylan Hafer]

And, like, do you say you do, like, a. What are you doing tonight?

[Harvey Guillen]

Like, yeah, like, I don't know what's happening? Yeah, like, I'll text. Yeah, like, I'll text, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Are you working tonight?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Are you. Are you going. Do you want to get drinks tonight? What? What are you doing? No, but if you want to come to the show. Oh, my God, the show. It's just. I thought, okay, fine, it was giving a. Yeah, you know, that's what Sheena did. No, but everyone, you know, it's been really lovely. Every time I go, like, I've done, like, a commercial with Heidi. Like, Heidi and I did a commercial, like, a couple years ago. I'm friends with Bowen because he's super talented, and every time I see him at events, we always go up against each other for stuff, too. Like an award season. But we're always, like, the ones who are, like, talking in the corner, so it's really nice. He's really lovely.

[Nick Viall]

Can you sing?

[Harvey Guillen]

Can I sing? Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Did you ever sing?

[Harvey Guillen]

Are you asking me to sing right now? Oh, my God. Yeah. I was up for Alphabet.

[Dylan Hafer]

Welcome to the Plants Casino.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Which was Bought Circus Circus was bought. CNA was bought.

[Dylan Hafer]

Backside rip.

[Harvey Guillen]

Disney bought it.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, my God.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Will]

Wait, is that official yet?

[Harvey Guillen]

Circus Circus.

[Will]

Is it official?

[Harvey Guillen]

I think they bought it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Will]

Okay.

[Harvey Guillen]

I mean, don't quote me. I look for Disney too.

[Natalie Joy]

Harvey's.

[Harvey Guillen]

No, I'm freaking out. No, they're taking his face right now.

[Dylan Hafer]

His face is falling off.

[Harvey Guillen]

That was a falfaba. That's real.

[Dylan Hafer]

That's real.

[Nick Viall]

You.

[Dylan Hafer]

It was you.

[Nick Viall]

And like, how.

[Harvey Guillen]

No, actually, the true story is I was up for Bach for Wicked, and it was. The movie was a two year commitment. So, like, I knew Winnie Holman, who wrote the script for this, the musical for Broadway and for the movie. And she called me up and she was like, are you going after Bach? Because I think you should go out for Bach and I'll put my, you know, put you in contact with blah, blah. And I was like, that'd be great. And I got really excited about it. I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna audition for Bach and I love Wicked. And then they were like, you have to be available for two years, like to shoot the movie. Movie. And I was like, that's. Yeah. And I was in season three of Shadows. And so at that point, Guillermo wasn't an original. Like, Guillermo was like a servant in the first season. Like, he didn't have a lot of lines he didn't like. And then after season two, he kind of became like a bigger character. And by season three, he became like a bigger character. And so, like, when I went to the studio, I was like, can I. Absolutely not. And like, I thought. I thought I was going to ask, can I take like a. I miss next season two year hiatus. Like, Guillermo disappears and I literally went.

[Natalie Joy]

Come back to the star of what exactly?

[Dylan Hafer]

Because of me.

[Harvey Guillen]

They said I could not. And Absolutely not. And so that didn't work out.

[Nick Viall]

And then it like became like a huge movie.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're okay. They're doing all right.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. I feel like it would have been bigger with.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, if I think so. I mean, I think that Ariana and I were just. Would have become like besties at best.

[Natalie Joy]

I was like. And to be fair, I'm like, she did meet her now boyfriend playing the role. You would have. So who knows where she would be now.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's true.

[Natalie Joy]

Know.

[Harvey Guillen]

So everything works out for the best question.

[Nick Viall]

Is that how they met? I thought they met on Broadway.

[Natalie Joy]

No, they met.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. I thought they met when he was SpongeBob.

[Harvey Guillen]

I thought he was SpongeBob.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe he'd still remember.

[Dylan Hafer]

That is nuts. Are you a fan of Southern hospitality?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You are?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. I know the hot dog party, that was kind of like, oh, smart. But I was like, wait, yeah, Southern charm, Southern husband. I just got into summer house as well. My friend April like, literally just hooked me up to all of these, and I'm just going down a rabbit hole.

[Nick Viall]

Are you up to date on hospital? Have you watched the reunion?

[Harvey Guillen]

No, I haven't watched a reunion yet, no.

[Dylan Hafer]

Did you watch the finale?

[Harvey Guillen]

I watched the finale.

[Dylan Hafer]

So you pro. You saw prom night?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Prom night was a fun idea, but it just escalated so quickly.

[Dylan Hafer]

Like, I honestly feel like anytime there's, like, a let's do a prom when everyone's like, like, no.

[Harvey Guillen]

And also, I feel like, do they know past trauma?

[Nick Viall]

That's gonna definitely come out.

[Harvey Guillen]

I know. Southern charm shot out of order. So some of the episodes were like. So that was weird for me because I was like, wait, now you're making certain people look like they were? And I was like, that's not cool. But then I thought, is Southern hospitality, like, doing that? Like, was the prom episode shot out of order? And they made it the finale? Do you know what I mean? Because it was such a big episode, they're like, that's it. We got the.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, they did say at the end when, like, Will's little hot mic moment where they're like, what do you want to do for the finale? Which seemed state.

[Harvey Guillen]

I feel really weird. Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

What do you want to do for the finale?

[Harvey Guillen]

Six months later, she was like, I found out. I saw the clip of it. Like, I found out last night.

[Dylan Hafer]

It was very dramatic.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

I will say, and I've said this all season long, I don't like tj. I don't like him.

[Nick Viall]

He's so toxic.

[Harvey Guillen]

I think something about him.

[Dylan Hafer]

Him at the prom, yelling at Will and Emmy in, like, the. In the front was the most like. Like, honestly, I would have laughed with Emmy and Will because it was laughable. It was like, why are you so worked up?

[Harvey Guillen]

This is. Why are you yelling?

[Nick Viall]

Well, then they went to go, will.

[Harvey Guillen]

And why are you yelling?

[Dylan Hafer]

Why are you yelling?

[Nick Viall]

They. They pulled aside what's his name, the buff mustache?

[Dylan Hafer]

Austin.

[Nick Viall]

Austin. And then, like, yeah. TJ just comes out and follows him along, being like, I'm part of this conversation.

[Dylan Hafer]

And then Brad, she's the.

[Will]

Are we monkeys?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, right.

[Dylan Hafer]

That was cr. And I honestly. I would have walked away, too. If you're, like, trying to have a private conversation and everyone comes. It's like, what. What is happening? Like, just watch it back. It'll air in a few months.

[Harvey Guillen]

And then when what's her name was like, I'm your best friend. No, you're not. Yeah, I'm your. I'm not. He's just like, the shock factor. Imagine you with your best friend. I'm your best friend. No, you're not. I'm not.

[Natalie Joy]

I would actually Maddie like, screaming in Grace's face, he's a.

[Britney Haynes]

He's a whore.

[Natalie Joy]

And it's just like, what is happening?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, I want to. I want to see you.

[Nick Viall]

Are you team Will and Emmy or team of the group?

[Harvey Guillen]

Rest of the group, I think, because the rest of the group has something that as a whole, not as individual, but as a whole, bring something to the show that I'm like, I could watch this.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I don't mean like, oh, you.

[Harvey Guillen]

Mean like, like, are you in that moment? No, no, the them.

[Nick Viall]

Sorry.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. No, I meant like, yes. Who do you want?

[Nick Viall]

Them. The other group is more committed to the show. For sure.

[Harvey Guillen]

I want the group because that's the show. Because they're going to cause drama every.

[Dylan Hafer]

We don't need a spin off with Emmy and Will.

[Harvey Guillen]

No, but Emmy and Will. I'm in that moment. I'm in their side. That side, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

It felt very much like they have. They're in their relationship and the rest of the cast is not. And so, like, anything that happens, they're like, oh, my God. She's like, I. Yeah, babe, I was there. I'm aware. Like, you're really trying to.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Like, you want me to tell you everything that goes on. His sister also stayed at the house.

[Harvey Guillen]

Why didn't you tell me?

[Dylan Hafer]

You think that's.

[Harvey Guillen]

And says Uber Eats dropped up something at 3pm like, why didn't you tell me? Yeah, you're my best friend.

[Britney Haynes]

No, I'm not.

[Nick Viall]

Like, it's, you know, it's like 50. 50. If you hear a rumor, if you're like, you know, are you supposed to tell the person or you're not supposed to tell the person, but like, this whole cast is like, no, we need to tell them.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And we need to make it our mission to make sure that they, like, hear this rumor and know this rumor, regardless of it is if the rumors.

[Harvey Guillen]

Are when they all walk together, when they're like, can't talk to you one on. Yeah. And then the whole group and then everyone comes and, like, people who are not in the show are in the background. There's like, the mailman is in the back.

[Emmy]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Get out of frame.

[Natalie Joy]

It's giving small town.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, it really is.

[Natalie Joy]

Small town vibes all over the place.

[Harvey Guillen]

It was like everyone was in the background. Like, they literally said, can I talk to you? Anything you say in front of them, you can see in front of me and in front of all of us.

[Dylan Hafer]

And it's like, no, there's cameras here. I'll see it. Yeah, eventually.

[Natalie Joy]

Also, I was like, Austin, having the same conversation with anybody who will hear it. It's just like, just so you know, my girlfriend's not here because.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, it's okay.

[Nick Viall]

You.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Which is a very, like, girlfriend serial killer move. Like, strings your alibi.

[Britney Haynes]

Genuinely.

[Natalie Joy]

That's why I appreciate Mia being like, finally, let's just have the conversation between the people, because I'm tired of hearing you ruin this party.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Or if you were, like, on Traders, that would be a perfect tactic, like, making sure everyone's on the same story, because when voting comes, you're all on the same page. So my girlfriend wasn't here just because everyone knows. And everyone knows because I said it.

[Dylan Hafer]

I told you, and I told you.

[Harvey Guillen]

And now you know, so you have to say it.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

And see, you have to be on Traders, I think.

[Nick Viall]

Ooh. Would you go on Traders?

[Harvey Guillen]

Maybe. Yeah. I love watching Traders. I feel like once you put me in a game like that, in reality, I don't know how well I would do, like, my friend again. And my friend April, like, we joke that she would be the first one to rat someone out being the traitor. Like, okay, guys, she's a traitor. I know. It's like, why? Jesus Christ. So the joke is that I don't know how. How long I would last.

[Dylan Hafer]

Would you go off of, like, vibes and energy?

[Harvey Guillen]

I would, but then I see some of the clips of, like, you know, Danny, like, where, like, I told you I'd fight. And it was like, the Academy Award goes too. So I feel like you have to be a little bit of an actor to be in that world and make it work, because you have to convince people, and you can't be too over the top because it's cheap acting. And then you're like, something's up with you. But if you're a good actor and you can just slide into the arena, be like, yeah, they're. They're. They're faithful, but they're not. It's the perfect blend.

[Natalie Joy]

I feel like you have to do the polar opposite. Going on to the following season of Traders than what the main Trader did. Yes.

[Harvey Guillen]

You can't follow the formula.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. So it's like Housewives. Sorry you got thrown in the bus because Phaedra was that good. But, like, if you're super dramatic, I think people now going into the next season would be paying attention to that, being like, oh, crying.

[Nick Viall]

So you're saying. You're saying next season, the first person off can't be a bachelor contestant like Wells was.

[Harvey Guillen]

Or Housewife.

[Natalie Joy]

Or Housewife. I feel like it could be a gamer. I'm not saying I was going to get voted off first. I'm just saying that, like, following the tactics, if you're a traitor, you can't be, like, overly emotional, because I think people will start thinking from the last season being like, well, Danielle was super emotional. Nobody suspected her, so now I've got to be the one to suspect the most emotional person.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, and that's where it's.

[Nick Viall]

The plan is to be like that person. I'm glad they're dead.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, that's.

[Natalie Joy]

That's no emotion at all.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. They deserved it.

[Harvey Guillen]

Confessional. They deserve it, actually.

[Natalie Joy]

Even that kind of attitude, though, they'd be like, why is he acting so much like a traitor? He has to be a thing.

[Dylan Hafer]

Because that's too obvious.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dylan Hafer]

There's just too much tactic and strategy. It's just.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dylan Hafer]

Exhausting.

[Harvey Guillen]

It's exhausting. So if I went on and be like, can I just watch? This is. I already have to do drama and, like, comedy for a living.

[Dylan Hafer]

Unfaithful. Can I just sit here and watch?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Honestly.

[Natalie Joy]

Honestly. Just sitting at the round table, and they're like, I think Harvey is. And you just like, why?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, instead of getting defensive, it's just like, wait, why?

[Harvey Guillen]

Why, though?

[Natalie Joy]

I've done nothing.

[Harvey Guillen]

I've done nothing but just tell me. I'm here to listen.

[Natalie Joy]

Just bump me up. Fine.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Dylan Hafer]

Is it giving baddie?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, because I'm getting bad. I'm freaking out.

[Nick Viall]

Did you jump into Summer House, like, this season or this season?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. For the first time, I didn't go back. And, like, so I was asking questions like, who's she? She's been on it for five, you know, she's. Who's there?

[Nick Viall]

Like, they'll catch up. They'll flash.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Which is so funny to me that it's like a weekend getaway every weekend during summer, but you go back to your city life. And I was like, that's a long commute every weekend. And just like, it sounds like fun, but I was like three hours in traffic, like, there and then I don't even like to sit in traffic for an hour here in la. And it's like, you know what I mean? Just to go four blocks.

[Natalie Joy]

I kind of miss, like the older seasons just because it was such like a. They all have such serious jobs in the city. So it's like when they were letting loose, we're talking, like, blacking out, talking to a wall.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

So it was like really funny balance.

[Dylan Hafer]

But, like, now they're all influencers.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, now they're all influencers. So it's like, I don't have to rush back on Monday.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. I might have to go back to the originals then.

[Natalie Joy]

Because I like that I was like, started season three. That's when Paige starts. And it's so good.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Sisters are a lot.

[Harvey Guillen]

See? Okay, then I want to go back to the original. I want to back to the origin story.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Harvey Guillen]

Okay, I'm going. I'm doing it.

[Nick Viall]

Team Kyle. Team Paige, in this particular fight, not necessarily over Kyle, is.

[Harvey Guillen]

Which one's DJ Mullet? Oh, the dj Married, right?

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

No, I don't like that. That wasn't cool because. What did she say? He's being diplo. Yeah. I don't know. That wasn't cool. Like, especially when you get business involved. Like, it's like, weird. Especially with friends and, like, money's involved. You have to have really, like, you know, clear understanding of what you're getting and you're investing.

[Dylan Hafer]

And like, I did love how it seemed like that table was very far away from that door. And Paige got all the way inside and she heard two face.

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm. Yeah, I'm two faced.

[Dylan Hafer]

And she immediately turned around, spun on a dime.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, it was just like you said.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Also in that, like, silhouette. I really appreciate her dress. I was like, that's a really cool dress. It's a 2 cut. Yeah. I was like, I didn't see that. When she was sitting down, she needed.

[Dylan Hafer]

To stand and walk away.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's what I noticed. I was like, oh, that's a really cute dress. What did she say? Oh, shit. Rewind it.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, yeah. Carl participating in Lindsay's gender reveal scavenger hunt.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, it was like, sweet. I don't know the background. I just know that they were dating last summer. They're engaged. And so it looked really sad. And then I think there was a preview of, like, he hasn't slept with anyone since. Anyone last summer.

[Natalie Joy]

And I was like, oh, I just thought it was so sweet that he, like, not only participated and was like a good sport, but really good sport also. I'm like, everybody knows that if he didn't participate because it's weird that he did, everyone would be like, carl, you're making it about yourself. Like, how dare you like to just be a good sport.

[Harvey Guillen]

And do you think that there was a lot of baby stuff happening to like, really twist, you know what I mean? Like, it feel like a lot of K was like, gender. Nobody wants to wake up and do like a gender reveal party organization, you know, just like after drinking all night.

[Nick Viall]

Was 100% like, producers.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I doubt that Lindsay was like, you know what I want to do? I'm going to do my gender reveal here with this group.

[Harvey Guillen]

And the hunt. And the hunt, the whole thing.

[Nick Viall]

And Carl's going to be there.

[Harvey Guillen]

It's just this. It was twisting the knees.

[Natalie Joy]

No problem. Leaving that sonogram up on the mantle for him to see after when he.

[Harvey Guillen]

Got there, that felt a little bit like.

[Natalie Joy]

Like anybody could have grabbed that and been like, you know, I maybe a little too sensitive. No.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

But like, these are welcome home.

[Nick Viall]

They're professional TV makers. And I think the producers have ideas and they go along.

[Harvey Guillen]

True.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I don't think, I don't think at this day and age, at like, I don't know how many seasons.

[Natalie Joy]

Nine.

[Harvey Guillen]

Nine. I don't know, catch up when.

[Nick Viall]

When, like, I. I just think when a producer's producing and they like throw a ultrasound picture on top of a mantle. I don't think any, any of the cast members nine seasons in are that prickly or that sensitive where they're gonna be like, oh, my God, don't do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're squeezing all the juice they can out of these lemons.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. So to speak.

[Natalie Joy]

Also bless Carl because it took him a lot to like work up just even saying hi to her.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

And then this episode when she was like, hey, there's some champagne.

[Harvey Guillen]

Like that moment in the fridge, like the camera was even ready for them to go in the kitchen. She's like, there's some non alcoholic and she's like, oh, there is. It was a sweet moment. Like, it was like, okay.

[Dylan Hafer]

It was like the kind of almost most like just great. A little gray. Like, it was like.

[Harvey Guillen]

It was just enough that it was like, last summer I was engaged to you and you're pregnant with another man.

[Dylan Hafer]

And that's his dick a little hard.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Absolutely not doing that again. Because I can't, because I'm carrying a child right now, and it would hurt.

[Dylan Hafer]

It and it would hurt the baby.

[Nick Viall]

How would you. If. If. If I was not there for our gender root reveal party and I guess your ex lover was, and then you text me like, hey, went good. And my response was, oh, that's nice. How would you feel?

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, see, the thing is, Lindsay already knew the gender, so I would imagine that they went together to the doctor. Maybe call had a moment together, and then she was like, I'm gonna do this. He doesn't seem like he's quite of a texter, you know, which. Neither are you.

[Nick Viall]

No. No.

[Dylan Hafer]

So honestly, I would see you saying maybe not a lot of W's after all. It would probably. Probably be like a misspelled all somehow. I don't know if I misspell it.

[Nick Viall]

If I was first class at the time when I text you back, I.

[Dylan Hafer]

Would not be shocked. No, I would be like, okay, yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Getting a reception back here. So please.

[Dylan Hafer]

Sorry. I actually. You might get free WI fi up there, but I have to pay for.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm not. My wallet.

[Dylan Hafer]

Somewhere deep inside my carry on, I can't find it. I can't get my card out.

[Natalie Joy]

Send a message from your screen to mine. 50.

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, yeah, they used to have that.

[Natalie Joy]

They used to have that. I don't know if they still.

[Harvey Guillen]

They stop. People were getting harassed.

[Britney Haynes]

Oh, my God.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Could you imagine?

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Did you ever.

[Harvey Guillen]

I got one time. It was like, years. This is years ago when they still had that. Like, someone messaged, and it was kind of an awkward message. And I think that's why they probably stopped, because you can message anyone as long as you knew their seat number.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, it's up.

[Harvey Guillen]

I think my friend said they messaged, like, Macaulay Culkin one time. And I was like, what? You don't know them? Like, I know, but I thought I was like, big fan of your message. You're like. And I'm in the plane with you. I'm like, I'm watching.

[Nick Viall]

That's the beginning of a horror.

[Harvey Guillen]

Horror film. And it's like. And you go up to the. You know, like. I think someone's, like, in the plane trying to get me. Sir, go back to your seat. It's a horror film.

[Nick Viall]

I know.

[Harvey Guillen]

Someone knows. Of course they do, sir. Everyone knows who you are.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, you're Kevin.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, you're Kevin.

[Dylan Hafer]

You're married to Brenda.

[Natalie Joy]

And then.

[Harvey Guillen]

And then go back to your SEs.

[Nick Viall]

Like, ding.

[Harvey Guillen]

You shouldn't have done that. Done, done, done. The horror film writes itself.

[Natalie Joy]

I see you made this flight.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. There's no way out in this eight hour flight.

[Natalie Joy]

Mommy's not coming to save you.

[Harvey Guillen]

No. Home alone. I would watch it actually.

[Dylan Hafer]

Honestly, Actually.

[Harvey Guillen]

Copyrights I Tonight I'm making this film. Came up with this idea.

[Dylan Hafer]

Came up with the idea.

[Nick Viall]

How was Companion?

[Harvey Guillen]

Good. Yeah. That cast is so fun. We're in a group chat and we still talked. In fact, Lucas Cage texted me this morning. The barista at my coffee shop said how much our gay relationship matches meant to him. And I was like, oh. And he's like, yeah, it was really sweet. I still had to pay for coffee.

[Dylan Hafer]

And that's up. That is actually up. But you are familiar, like with vampire esque. Like, who do you feel like in Bravo Nation World Housewife. Ish. World would be the best vampire.

[Harvey Guillen]

Best vampire.

[Nick Viall]

And then who would be made the best system?

[Harvey Guillen]

Familiar.

[Nick Viall]

Familiar. Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Someone who's organized and can take a lot of, like, I don't know, I mean, a vampire. I feel like it would be Teresa. Teresa. Be a great vampire because, you know, we don't have a lot of ingredients. This is, you know, Lisa. Which Lisa? Lisa Barlow would be a good vampire, I think, a good familiar. Someone who has like, organized.

[Dylan Hafer]

And Sutton's assistant, Avi. Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Although Avi in the last season has become very like, he's a. He talks back.

[Nick Viall]

He's really gone.

[Harvey Guillen]

The first season he was like, right away, blah, blah. And it's like. And like he's like running the fashion show and even like. Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Getting mad at her mom.

[Harvey Guillen]

She's getting mad at the mom. It was like, we. No, don't put the. The dumplings in there. They get soggy, you know. And he's like, okay. And I was like, who was running this household? Like, like, he's the lady of the house. Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Okay. Who would be familiar?

[Harvey Guillen]

I was going to say him, but like, now I'm like, oh, maybe from. I'm trying to think someone from Atlanta because remember when she made the best friend contract?

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, Cynthia.

[Harvey Guillen]

Cynthia. I think Cynthia would be familiar because she's always level. She doesn't go too. Like, even if she's having a bad day, she doesn't go. She's still leveled. I feel like. Yeah, I think she's great to work with. Yes, she's great to work with. Okay, great. So I would say her because she would have structure and get things done.

[Dylan Hafer]

And we approve of that message.

[Harvey Guillen]

We like that, Cynthia. It's a good Thing. Yeah, Yeah. I like Cynthia. She's always been good.

[Dylan Hafer]

Thank you. Who's your least favorite housewife?

[Harvey Guillen]

Oh, now you're trying to get me in trouble. When you say Lisa drag period. It's gotta be getting canceled. It has to be from where?

[Dylan Hafer]

I was just gonna say.

[Nick Viall]

It's gonna just say Brendan, move on. Yeah, I'm not saying.

[Harvey Guillen]

Absolutely not. She's my favorite. My least favorite. I mean, I guess she's in prison now, so I guess. No, she is good. I like her. I wouldn't know Jen Shaw could be Jen Shaw. Sometimes her, the way she talks to people, I do not like.

[Natalie Joy]

Absolutely.

[Harvey Guillen]

That she's very rude and like. And then throwing things to people I don't like. Not.

[Natalie Joy]

She's not even like a good apologizer.

[Harvey Guillen]

Not a good apologizer? No. Doubles down. So I don't want to say it's a double edged sword because I like her, but I don't like the way she treats people.

[Nick Viall]

Can I say something nice about Erica? Yeah. I know we're like pivoting because I've, you know, I'm still a little. Don't know how to feel about those earrings. They're still sparkling and ding.

[Dylan Hafer]

I think at some point you do have to get over it.

[Nick Viall]

I know.

[Dylan Hafer]

And I have just like the rest of the world for the most.

[Harvey Guillen]

Chest earrings.

[Natalie Joy]

$70 million.

[Nick Viall]

But she really honestly, like, it's not easy to, to have a fall from grace like she had and have your whole world change and to like go from mansion and opulence, all this to like little bungalow in Beverly. Beverly Hills. And while it's still nice and I'm sure very expensive relative to like your. She's really. She's had a nice little comeback, you know, like she really.

[Harvey Guillen]

She's self made now. It's like she always been self made but before you just had a little bit of assistance from, you know, a corrupt lawyer. But like the like now she's really, you know, doing it on her own. And even the remodeling of her like space, it gives her this like, I like her. She's smiling more. Her energy's positive. She walks into the room and she's not hers. She's. Yeah, before she was so. She bought a Porsche. Like before she was so defensive in the past season, she go in and she was ready to fight because I get it, you know, when the world feels like it's attacking you, you feel like you have to always be on guard. And she always felt on guard. And in this season she feels very Like, I'm happy.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm gonna be me.

[Harvey Guillen]

Good.

[Nick Viall]

She does look good, and I'm happy for her.

[Harvey Guillen]

Erica, we're happy for you.

[Dylan Hafer]

I feel like she's in a phase of, like, you can't get to me, you know where, like, I went through hell, and, like, now I can take anything and, like, it won't be good.

[Harvey Guillen]

Like, she's been through hell and back.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, she's good, and I'm the same way, so.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. Even when Drew Beet was like, nice.

[Harvey Guillen]

Got new earrings.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, I did not get any earrings, actually.

[Harvey Guillen]

Wait, who are you gonna say?

[Nick Viall]

Sorry.

[Dylan Hafer]

What?

[Harvey Guillen]

Sorry.

[Dylan Hafer]

Sorry. It was just a little. We had a.

[Natalie Joy]

Got a bit.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

But I was like. Even for when Dorit. They were getting the facials, and she was, like, trying to get her to be like, you don't think that Kyle's doing something wrong? And then Erica was like, I'm friends with both of you.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, she's very much, like, being like, I'm not going to be used as a pawn in anybody's game anymore either. I'm not picking sides. If you want to say things, you guys work it out, but don't involve me.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, I love that.

[Natalie Joy]

Same.

[Harvey Guillen]

The year started off really weird with, like, Dory taking her shopping, or, like, she asked Dory to go shopping, and then she goes, I want you to be the first one to know PK&I, which is, like, last year was so, like, you know, it was pretty good. Thank you. But baby Bubba.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, Bubba.

[Harvey Guillen]

Pk. It's just. It was nice to, like, see that they were starting when, look, I need your support, you know, this is happening, and you're the first one to know it. And I thought I was like, wow, what an olive branch. Because last year was so tumultuous, you know?

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, if she had met Bose first, it would have been Bose before Erica.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. Because they hit it all. And I do like that friendship a lot.

[Nick Viall]

I love that friendship partnership.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

But then how many times is storming off at the reunion? Too many. It's been rumored that Kyle storms off twice at the reunion, but also she.

[Harvey Guillen]

Stormed off during the show, so that's.

[Dylan Hafer]

Added on.

[Nick Viall]

And over. Allegedly the same topic, which is her and Mo, Like.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, you mean her and pk.

[Harvey Guillen]

Her texting PK Texting pk Like, I don't know. I mean, can't keep up.

[Nick Viall]

I thought it had to do with divorce, I think.

[Harvey Guillen]

I think once everyone's allowed one, and if you do more than one as a per. Like, if you do it twice. Then you're like, you're.

[Dylan Hafer]

It's getting embarrassing.

[Harvey Guillen]

It's getting. You're stealing focus.

[Nick Viall]

And, like, don't come back.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, don't come back.

[Harvey Guillen]

Well, you know, from Pomic. She did that, and she didn't come back, period. Yeah, she walked off. Remember? What's her name? Maya. No. She used to own the chiropractor chain.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, that says criminal. Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Will]

So they said she was a stripper. Mia.

[Harvey Guillen]

Mia. So Mia walked off set, and then this morning announced that she would not be. Be coming back. So it's like. Well, I kind of read that. Because once you leave the building, I don't think Andy's too keen on that. It's like, you can leave the room and go to your room and, like, have a moment. The camera can follow you. But once you leave the building and we can't talk to you, you're out. And if you decide you're out, then you're definitely. I think you may.

[Dylan Hafer]

There is no pause.

[Harvey Guillen]

There's no pausing.

[Nick Viall]

There can't pause yourself.

[Harvey Guillen]

You can't pause yourself. They pause you and then they push rewind and.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yes, they do.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

This has been so much fun. Harvey, can you tell us where we can follow you? Where we can. All the good.

[Harvey Guillen]

Great.

[Nick Viall]

Plug away. Just plug.

[Harvey Guillen]

Follow me on planes and message me. Find my seat number. Message me.

[Dylan Hafer]

Please don't always be one seat.

[Harvey Guillen]

Absolutely always. I don't wear Croat and I don't, like, follow me on Instagram and on Twitter. Harvey Gyan. Just my full name.

[Natalie Joy]

You're here right now.

[Harvey Guillen]

Gracias.

[Nick Viall]

You might come. Well, please come back.

[Dylan Hafer]

Natalia is me.

[Nick Viall]

If you want.

[Dylan Hafer]

It's just me. Is Natalia. I told you.

[Harvey Guillen]

I told you.

[Dylan Hafer]

I told you.

[Nick Viall]

You can check Harvey out on the new movie Companion. What we do is that. What?

[Harvey Guillen]

What?

[Dylan Hafer]

Say your name.

[Harvey Guillen]

It's with an H. Yeah, but that's my stage name. My real name. Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Gagged.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, I changed it because people couldn't pronounce my legal name.

[Nick Viall]

What is your name?

[Harvey Guillen]

Javier. O.

[Dylan Hafer]

Sexy.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah. So I had a first agent who was like, javier Guillen is going to get you limited roles. And I was like. And he was Latin himself. And I was like, oh, really? He's like, yeah. What do people call you? And I was like, well, my family calls me Javi. Javi is like, you know, short for Javier. Javi. Javi. Javi. Harvey. And that's how Harvey was like, harvey Guillen. That sounds cool. And I was like, cool. Let's go for it. Which I like now, because if you know me as Harvey, you know me for my work, but you know me as. Don't do this. Because people have been listening to the story recently, and they come to me and place it, like, hey, Javi. And they try to be like, I don't know.

[Britney Haynes]

Like, wait, do I know?

[Harvey Guillen]

Exactly. That's how I find out that I'm like, wait, we don't know each other. But if you know me from my full name and I grew up with you, your family, so if I hear anything like that in the crowd, I'm like, oh, my God, I know them, you know? But if I hear Harvey, how's it going?

[Nick Viall]

Yay.

[Harvey Guillen]

Shaking hand bait. Kiss, baby.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, side forehead.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah, that was mustard. I just used mustard to sign my name, but that's how that can be. But Harvey would be with. In Spanish. Arvi.

[Nick Viall]

Arvi.

[Harvey Guillen]

Gracias, Nico.

[Dylan Hafer]

I love it. I love, love this. This is a very nice Spanish lesson, and I do appreciate you doing that for free.

[Harvey Guillen]

For free. Oh, no, it's that invoice.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. What kind? We will.

[Harvey Guillen]

Those flights don't pay for themselves.

[Dylan Hafer]

I would. No.

[Nick Viall]

And that's why we're still in.

[Dylan Hafer]

Thanks, Har.

[Harvey Guillen]

I'm freaking out.

[Nick Viall]

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[Dylan Hafer]

Well that Harvey.

[Nick Viall]

What accent was that?

[Dylan Hafer]

Sounded like an old Harvey.

[Nick Viall]

That Harvey. That Harvey.

[Emmy]

You sound like Parker Posey with her Larazepam.

[Natalie Joy]

Tsunami.

[Emmy]

Tsunami.

[Nick Viall]

Did you guys watch last night?

[Will]

No. It doesn't spoil.

[Emmy]

Yes I did.

[Dylan Hafer]

We did not. Great.

[Nick Viall]

That's a Tuesday night watch for us because like weekends are like heavy reality tv.

[Will]

Yeah, it was my one show outside of work and now it is work.

[Dylan Hafer]

I know. That's why sometimes I like don't want to talk about stuff because I'm like.

[Will]

I have to have peace somewhere else.

[Dylan Hafer]

I can't. I don't want to think about what I'm going to talk about.

[Nick Viall]

No, you don't even have to. You don't. Then I might ruin it for you.

[Emmy]

No, I do want to apologize. I said Walter Goggins last week, and it is Walton, and I would never want to disrespect the man, the myth, the legend, Walton Goggins.

[Nick Viall]

The day that they come for you.

[Emmy]

I don't know, but I've been thinking about it because I knew I was wrong when I said it. I was like, no, Walton.

[Will]

Did you notice on Southern Charm, they changed Sienna's lower third, her descriptor, like, really quick from girlfriend to ex girlfriend within a second of when they, like, put her on screen.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, when he was just. She was just like, we were never dating.

[Dylan Hafer]

Ex girlfriend, guys. That. That ex. Her leaving was hard to watch where she's like, don't hate me. He's like, I could never hate you. I love you.

[Natalie Joy]

I love you.

[Nick Viall]

Do you smell so good?

[Dylan Hafer]

It's just so hard.

[Nick Viall]

It's so, so. Definitely not an expert. Don't know anything about medicine or addiction or anything like that, but doesn't it feel like Chef's behavior regarding his now ex girlfriend, it's like, giving, like, you know, he. He got kind of clean or whatever. It. It's giving just, like, impulsive. It's giving like he's. He's replacing, like, the excitement and rush of the adrenaline of. Of partying versus with the excitement and rush of, like, heartbreak and pain almost.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, as far as I know, he's never had his heart broken.

[Dylan Hafer]

So that's what I'm talking. He said on the show he's had his heart broken three times. I don't know how believable that is.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, whatever, though, whether he has or hasn't, I'm just saying right now, he is, like, almost leaning into just, like, being embarrassed and being crushed because it's like he. He's giving, like gambler at a. A casino with. With a gambling problem who just wants to feel like, the fun, like, the comeback, right? It's like he's down bad. He's lost a ton of money, and he's still gonna, like, double down. And it's like, you know, and still, like, give this woman flowers and write her poetry, like, and she clearly doesn't want it. Everyone's telling him to stop. All his friends are being like, don't spend any More money at the, the blackjack table. And Shep's just like, you mean, what did he say? He says like unreasonable or ridiculous for, for Craig to, to ask him to be like level headed. I don't know what his exact wording was, but basically Shep was, it was insane for his friend to expect him to do something sane in a way. And I'm like, wow, this is really giving like, you know, he's having a.

[Will]

Midlife crisis is what I see.

[Emmy]

And I think when you're in love like that you really context and normal decision making just completely goes out the way.

[Nick Viall]

It's a teen, but he's a 40 year old man. But it should be replacing, you know.

[Natalie Joy]

Like I'm saying, I feel like this, I mean, I don't know to like, I can't speak to like how he's dealt with heartbreak in the past. But what it feels like from watching him the last TED years was that anybody that wanted to date him or get into a serious relationship had to understand that he's like, this is, I don't want to get married, I don't want to have kids. That's not for me. I don't know if the Taylor situation or what, because this is what it looks like. It's like this is the first time somebody's telling him no when he wants it. So he's like, this can't be reality. I always get what I want. So maybe if I pretend that this is the reality, somehow it's going to fall into place. But it's just, it's giving denial and delusion.

[Nick Viall]

Well, listen, when, when you're in your 20s and 30s, 30s, you're not that far removed from college, even your immediate family, you know, your mom, dad, brothers and sisters. I don't know like Shep's situation, but I think it's easier if you don't have like a drive to like be a mom or a dad or have a family. But when you get into your 30s and 40s and people grow, you know, your family gets older. You know, maybe brothers and sisters also get in relationships, have kids. I don't know. Your parents get older, you know, you start taking care of them more than their taking care of you. All your friends, your bros, you know, your Craigs of the world and, and your Austin so you thought would be your ride and die forever. And they're the ones who like had your back in your 20s and 30s and you talk to them every day. They're the ones you like, you know, opened up to about whatever it is you wanted to open up to to. You'd go out, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday together and things like that. And then people start slowly growing up and getting older, and Craig is trying to do that as well. And it's just like when all of a sudden you're 40, then you start realizing, you know, what I. Who's going to be with me the rest of my life? You know, who's going to be by my side, you know, through thick and thin? Who, like, who am I going to do life together with? Because I don't know if I could do it with Austin and Craig. You know, maybe. Maybe that idea when I was 25 seemed good enough, but, like, now I'm not so sure, you know, And I feel like that you're seeing a little bit of that where it's just like, what does life look like for the next 10 or 15 years for some of these guys where it's just like.

[Natalie Joy]

I don't know, they weren't concerned about it. I think Leva said that on the FaceTime where she was just kind of like, he thought that he could get this girl. The fact that he doesn't now he's just left with the reality that you're in your 40s and, like, that's it. Like, you don't have a plan, you don't have a relationship. You don't know how to, like, go about and start these things up. So it's like he's steps behind, but it's like you're trying to force this girl to fit into a mold that she's never agreed to fitting into.

[Nick Viall]

You can change fast, though. I mean, like, you know, maybe this is the wake up call Shep needs, you know, like, I am everyone at.

[Dylan Hafer]

The table being like, Sienna, are you planning on changing, like, your lifestyle and living in Charleston and getting married and having kids? And she's like, no.

[Natalie Joy]

She's like, I'm not even in a relationship. Why would I be thinking about those things?

[Will]

Yeah, the wake up call is to stop buying shark necklaces. I'm sorry.

[Emmy]

Sorry. Megalodon necklaces.

[Dylan Hafer]

So it was pretty.

[Will]

Taylor said on the after show that she modeled, like, for a photo shoot. The same Megalodon necklace.

[Nick Viall]

Necklace for Shep?

[Will]

Well, just for the brand, I think. And then Shep bought it unconnected, probably to give to Sienna.

[Dylan Hafer]

You don't think Shep saw it on Taylor and was like.

[Will]

Or maybe kept it in mind?

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah. What are they looking for?

[Nick Viall]

It looks good.

[Dylan Hafer]

No, Hard to forget.

[Natalie Joy]

Shep said it feels like them breaking up felt like death by a thousand paper cuts. Girl, I was just like this, like, figurative language that you're using to be like. Nobody understands the depths of it. She just.

[Nick Viall]

Not in it. He's the one taking the paper and cutting himself literally.

[Emmy]

Like, Shep is the definition.

[Natalie Joy]

As fast or slow as you want, my guy.

[Nick Viall]

Look, no one's making you do this.

[Natalie Joy]

Absolutely.

[Emmy]

Shep is the definition of, like. Certain men will, like, have to go and take ayahuasca and, like, have a midlife crisis in order to figure out the same thing a teenage girl figures out by listening to Lana Del Rey.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah, he did. Okay. He did raise it. He did raise a good question of, like, when you're about to break up with someone, do you still give them the gift?

[Natalie Joy]

No.

[Will]

No, right?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Natalie Joy]

If anything, I want. People do.

[Nick Viall]

A lot of people do, but it's always a mistake. And I've made that mistake before, but it's like they don't want it. You really want to see it through. I don't know. It's just like, this will change everything.

[Emmy]

The Megalon dawn tooth. Like, your love is extinct, just like that shark.

[Natalie Joy]

Also, like, what's the return value on this? Like, is this 24 karat gold?

[Emmy]

That's a cool necklace. I'd keep that one.

[Nick Viall]

What's the necklace look like?

[Will]

It's a megalodon tooth with, like, a gold, like, chain.

[Nick Viall]

Keep saying the name, but it doesn't.

[Emmy]

You've never watched Shark Week.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, my God. Megalodon. There's that whole movie. The Meg.

[Harvey Guillen]

The Meg.

[Nick Viall]

A big shark.

[Emmy]

Huge, Huge, like, ancestral shark.

[Will]

Like, are they real? Is my question.

[Nick Viall]

Why is that a necklace you would, like, always give to a girl? That's what he gave her.

[Natalie Joy]

That big black one.

[Dylan Hafer]

It has, like, gold.

[Will]

And this is Taylor with the same necklace on.

[Emmy]

It's very Southern man giving a gift.

[Natalie Joy]

Prehistoric Megalodon.

[Nick Viall]

Have you received a lot of those? Those from southern men?

[Dylan Hafer]

That is pretty common, like on the coast to like, give. Shark necklace. Shark tooth necklaces.

[Emmy]

I loved a shark tooth necklace.

[Dylan Hafer]

There's a lot of, like, higher end places.

[Emmy]

Not just I've given a shark tooth necklace and I've bought shark tooth necklaces for myself. Mary Kiddos, I do the Southern hospitality. Boys. There is a part of me that I'm like, damn, this is familiar. This feels very familiar to me.

[Natalie Joy]

Austin and Craig had a. A one on one right where they saw eye to eye. And I couldn't stop laughing when Austin was like, you hear an embellisher and he's. And Craig was like, I'm a lawyer and a storyteller.

[Nick Viall]

Is he either?

[Dylan Hafer]

So that's why you lied.

[Will]

He didn't go to law school, Right? It was a lawyer.

[Natalie Joy]

He did. He does have a law practice in Charleston.

[Nick Viall]

Craig has a law practice?

[Will]

I thought he never followed through with it.

[Nick Viall]

So he is a lawyer.

[Dylan Hafer]

I thought he never passed the bar.

[Will]

Yeah, that's what I thought it was.

[Natalie Joy]

He did.

[Nick Viall]

Why doesn't he lead with that?

[Natalie Joy]

Because he is a pillow empire king.

[Will]

True.

[Natalie Joy]

And he also has one more business, too. Oh. And then he has got the restaurant. So he's.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, like, everyone knows Rachel Lindsay's a lawyer. And when was the last time she practiced law?

[Natalie Joy]

I don't know. But Craig Conover is a personal injury lawyer in Charleston, South Carolina, who founded the Conover Law Firm in 2021. The firm helps people with car accidents, truck accidents, and on the job injuries.

[Nick Viall]

He's an ambulance chaser, a billboarder.

[Harvey Guillen]

Is it?

[Nick Viall]

Does he have a billboard?

[Emmy]

That'd be cool.

[Dylan Hafer]

I bet he does. You know, they're all over.

[Nick Viall]

Why don't we know this about Craig?

[Will]

I thought he never passed the bar exam. This is new news to me.

[Natalie Joy]

No, everybody gave him so much shit throughout the seasons that he did end up finishing taking the bar, and then, yeah, he opened up his own practice.

[Will]

Good for him then.

[Nick Viall]

How's that going?

[Natalie Joy]

Still open, still functioning. It says he passed the Bar in 2017 and swore in the following year.

[Nick Viall]

Is there any people out there with, like, a neck brace being like that Craig Carnover gave. I made me a thousand thousand dollars or something.

[Will]

10,000 by just downloading this app.

[Nick Viall]

Well, does he have a commercial?

[Natalie Joy]

That's his commercial. And the phone.

[Nick Viall]

Have you been rear ended by a bad day?

[Natalie Joy]

The phone number is 829 hurt.

[Dylan Hafer]

I love it.

[Emmy]

That's really cute, actually.

[Dylan Hafer]

Creative.

[Nick Viall]

No, it's great. I want to. Why doesn't he leave? Why don't we have any scenes of.

[Dylan Hafer]

Of lawyer Craig?

[Will]

Maybe he wants to, like, keep it separate.

[Nick Viall]

Like, why couldn't Craig help JT with his, like, Kane situation? Didn't he have an injury or something.

[Will]

That was his own?

[Dylan Hafer]

Dude, like, isn't that in, like, overseas.

[Will]

When he was driving the car himself and, like, it tipped, I think.

[Natalie Joy]

I have a feeling he's overseeing and other people are practicing the cases. He's like, I'm in Charleston. Nope, I'm in Nashville. Sewing down South. Like.

[Nick Viall]

Like, does his hours of operation. Is he, like, technically open right now?

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Will]

Pull up the the yelp.

[Nick Viall]

Like, fender bendered right now.

[Dylan Hafer]

Want me to call him?

[Natalie Joy]

The tagline is don't get run over. Call conover.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, cute.

[Harvey Guillen]

That's a good one.

[Dylan Hafer]

That is so creepy.

[Nick Viall]

Call the number and be like, someone just run over my. My. My ego.

[Dylan Hafer]

What do you.

[Will]

We shouldn't prank call the people that orchestrate and use the law.

[Dylan Hafer]

We should do it with Dylan.

[Will]

What? What just happened?

[Dylan Hafer]

Sue Dylan. That's how she talks. She frank calls people. She's like, Dylan.

[Nick Viall]

Sue Dylan on Tik Tok.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

Wears the wig and she like, smokes cigarettes and she sits in the corner of her house and she like, prank calls people for him until we like, my bush needs to be shaved.

[Natalie Joy]

That's how she talks to voice.

[Will]

So call the front desk people.

[Dylan Hafer]

That's how she talks to people.

[Will]

So call people and be like, I'm.

[Dylan Hafer]

In the bathroom right now because I look stupid.

[Natalie Joy]

Hurry. You need to be hired as a voice actress for horror movies. Terrifying.

[Dylan Hafer]

Listen to her. Just click on one of them.

[Natalie Joy]

She said any will do.

[Nick Viall]

Those cigarette earrings.

[Dylan Hafer]

Y. May I speak with Katie? Oh, my gosh.

[Harvey Guillen]

Hi, baby. It's nice to meet you. I'm just calling because I'm dating your daddy, jt.

[Dylan Hafer]

Oh, she. She's giving much in my yard.

[Emmy]

She's serving like.

[Dylan Hafer]

It's not a mutt. It's a. It's a pure breed beagle. She's like that mutt.

[Nick Viall]

All right, well, up next, she recently left a castle of traitors because she backstabbed her friend Danielle again. Again. And now we get to find out why. Britney the V House is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try that progressive.com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now, and it's great. You love the host. You seek it out and download it. You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Libsyn Ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering hosting endorsements, or run a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows to reach your target Audience in their favorite podcasts with Libsyn ads, go to Libsyn ads.com. that's L, I, B S Y N ads.com today. Britney.

[Britney Haynes]

Hi.

[Nick Viall]

How are you?

[Harvey Guillen]

Good.

[Britney Haynes]

I love your aesthetic. Like, what are. What do we call this?

[Dylan Hafer]

It's giving. Earthy.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah. Earth tones that, like.

[Nick Viall]

It's giving, like, pour out your heart and tell us all your deepest, darkest secrets.

[Britney Haynes]

And is that what. Is that your gig? That's what you do.

[Nick Viall]

We just want you to say whatever it is you want to say, you know, like, I don't know. We're here to invite people to be their truest selves.

[Britney Haynes]

Oh, really? That's the goal.

[Dylan Hafer]

You go deep, we go deep.

[Britney Haynes]

Thinking.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Britney Haynes]

Okay. Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't prepared for that. I was. I'm all about keeping it light.

[Dylan Hafer]

Well, do you think the Earth is flat or.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, quick, give us your biggest conspiracy theory.

[Britney Haynes]

I'm very, very against the idea that there's. Earth is flat.

[Dylan Hafer]

Okay, well, thank God we got that out of the way. Impassioned, Impassioned passion.

[Nick Viall]

Have you survived the wrath of Trader Nation? Does Trader Nation have, like, a nickname? Is it like. Or do we need. I think once a fan base becomes toxic enough, they get, like, a name, you know, I think that's really the barometer.

[Britney Haynes]

Are you pulling from Bachelor Nations?

[Nick Viall]

I am, yes. Yes. They are, in fact, toxic enough to have a name like Bachelor Nation. Bra. What is Bravo.

[Natalie Joy]

Bravo. Sphere.

[Nick Viall]

Bravo. Sphere. They're definitely toxic enough. I love you guys, but we. Let's be honest here. Little toxic.

[Britney Haynes]

Well, and, like, a ton of the comments that I see because it's just my algorithm are Big Brother, like, Big Brother fans. So the Big Brother fan segment of the Traders fans was very. They were very riled up. It was very intense, a very intensive situation. I don't know if they have a.

[Nick Viall]

Name at you stabbing Daniela in the back again. Is that what they're referring to?

[Britney Haynes]

Pretty much. Pretty much. Even though I have, like, a really good defense. But yeah, pretty much I'm on your.

[Nick Viall]

Side, but I would love to hear your defense. Not that I need to hear it, but maybe some people do.

[Britney Haynes]

Just the narrative that's out there is this, like, crazy story of betrayal, and it's like, really, like, the details matter. And so I feel very much on my own side that it was not a crazy story. But, like, to me, if I was going to stab Danielle on the back, the. The method for that would have been that I would have gone to the confessional and said, tonight's the night I'm pulling the trigger on Danielle. I want to be the last traitor standing. I've got this idea, I'm going to plant these seeds, I'm going to go to the banishment table and I'm going to lay out this evidence against Danielle that would have been a betrayal, right? A takedown of Danielle. The situation that I found myself in rather was that I actually attempted to save her life in the game. I went around, I tried to get votes for her really. I worked really aggressively in really hard. We got to the banishment table, it didn't work. You know, everybody was so rallied against her that that wasn't going to happen. And I was forced into a situation where I had to choose my own self preservation over preserving us as a duo. And in doing so I had to vote with the majority which happened to be against her. So I personally don't see it as like this crazy attack and betrayal. I feel it's a very, very different scenario scenario than say, you know what I, what I said would qualify to me as a betrayal. But listen, it's flashier and zestier if we call it a backstab and a betrayal.

[Nick Viall]

So by all means, does Danielle see your POV at this point or no? Do you think?

[Britney Haynes]

I think that she does actually, yeah. And I think that probably like the discrepancy between my POV on Ranger games and my POV on Traders in the way that she is able to receive it is that she herself had to do a lot of strategic game moves on Traders that existed for the reason of self preservation in her own mind. And so it gives her a little bit more of a sympathetic or an empathetic eye to what the position that I was in versus when we were on Ranger Games the first time it had been so long that she played since she played that she was probably, probably way more annoyed. I think that this time on Trader she's like, yeah, it was a bad position to be in. It sucked. I get it. I think that she's more open to it this time.

[Nick Viall]

She kind of sold you out after you voted for her. Because it it, she totally did. She basically was like, yeah, well you're cool, you're cool. Britney's a traitor. I'm out. Bye.

[Britney Haynes]

Basically, yeah, and I had to try to, to flip that on its head and flip that back on Dylan. And I had to try really hard. Like I was specifically remembering everything that she said to him because I knew that he was the target I was gonna have to go after and So I tried to spin it, but yeah, it was a bad look. And you know, she was acting off of emotion. She was pissed. She was pissed. So, I mean, I'm not surprised it had happened prior. Bob the Drag Queen did the same thing to Bob, Boston Rob. So it wasn't surprising. Something I was gonna have to contend with. I can't even really be that mad about it because otherwise she's basically saying like, okay, it's cool with me if you win. So I, I get it.

[Nick Viall]

Your logic was basically because, like, had you voted for Danielle, then it would have been a tie again. Right. And then what, they would have coin flipped it or like, they would have.

[Britney Haynes]

We don't know for sure because the situation's never happened, but we knew it would be like left to chance. So sure. Probably a coin flip in that scenario. 50 that she goes anyway. Right. Like in that scenario, she still has a 50, 50 shot of going home anyway. And I'm going to have not voted against her twice. And if Dolores does end up switching her vote to Danielle, I'll be the only person who wouldn't vote for her. And that's a very bad look, being the only person, because I know she's going to stand up there and she say she's a traitor. Whether I vote her out or whether she coin flips and goes up, she's going to say she's a traitor. And being the only person who won't vote for a traitor, really bad look, really indefensible. That's defense. Or that's, you know, evidence that we've presented against multiple people in the game at this point. So I definitely didn't want to be in a situation where Dolores does switch her vote and then I'm the only one who wouldn't vote against her.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So basically you're just like, I'm not leaving my existence here down to a coin flip.

[Britney Haynes]

I either make this vote and try to take the wheel or I leave it to a coin flip and deal with the repercussions.

[Nick Viall]

Makes sense to me.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah, I get it too. I mean, have, have y'all talked? Like, are y'all friends?

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah, we actually, we talked after the reunion because during the reunion we had like this crazy argument about the Reindeer Game. Not even about craters. Like, of course it goes back to the Peppermint Forest. And um, so after the reunion we had a good conversation, actually. Like our first, I feel, productive conversation about the Ranger Games. Wish we had had that maybe prior. I think that I, I don't ever want to Speak for her. Like, she can feel however she wants to feel. I think that she's more receptive to it. I think that things are good. But, you know, I leave it to her to tell her side. I don't have any problems on mine.

[Nick Viall]

What did you think of the remaining faithful all leaving together and having four winners? Because you definitely were like the only drama of the entire finale. And then it was just like, oh.

[Britney Haynes]

I couldn't believe that with the argument I presented against Dylan that it didn't get him banished. Like, even if I didn't get him banished over me, that's fine, like kick me out first. But is nothing that I said still lingering in your mind? Like, I had so much good evidence against him.

[Nick Viall]

What did you say? I don't feel like a lot of it.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah, a lot of it did get cute. But like, him and Danielle had worked together as a unit from early on in the game. So any evidence that he had that was contingent on the fact that Danielle and I were allies, I had that same evidence against him. The night that all the people went into the coffins, he self admittedly had been in the room where they did the writing of it down.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Britney Haynes]

And so I presented this whole argument about who was in the bookcase. Dylan was in the bookcase. I was never in the bookcase. I would never go to the bookcase. Like, I had this whole thing about Dylan being in the bookcase and how that he made better sense as a recruit for Danielle if Danielle was in the situation to recruit. Which is why, like, there was this clip of me saying, like, if someone was recruited, it wasn't me. That was in direct response to Dylan saying, I think you would be recruited. And I put that back on him and said, listen, you make way better since as a recruit because everyone thinks you're a faithful. So if you're going to recruit someone, why would you recruit someone who's already already suspect? Why would you not recruit someone who's a super die hard faithful if you're going to try to stick together and make it to the end together, why recruit me when I could recruit you? I mean, you're a perfect.

[Nick Viall]

You make a great point. And honestly, I think that was a huge mistake in Danielle's game. Like, I would have recruited Gabby or Dylan because she was so locked in.

[Britney Haynes]

Definitely.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was. She was so locked in on you. You know, it's just like everyone just assume and rightfully so. And like, had she picked the other two, it would have changed everything.

[Britney Haynes]

But if she picked, if she picked the other two. She was almost literally just handing them a win. With me, my name was already suspect. So it was like, if we don't go together, neither of us go. If she gives it to someone like Dylan, he literally. She's just handing him a win because she's still going to get banished, but she's going to go to the end of the game and win the whole thing. So in her mind, it's like, yeah, I kind of want to let Britney win as long as I can win, too. I don't really want to just let Ivor win. I mean, she. She literally would have just been handing him the money. You know what I mean? I was the only one that was, like, also a little bit suspicious. But, yeah, it annoys me that they didn't. Not that I don't like Dylan, I love Dylan, but come on, that was a good argument. Like, none of you are even suspicious after this great argument. That's annoying to me.

[Nick Viall]

They were just looking into his eyes and.

[Britney Haynes]

And then Ivers said at the banishment table that night that he wasn't there for the money. And I think that he thinks that the whole, like, Kumbaya thing is, like, really gonna go over well and resonate with audiences. No, that's like the worst thing you could say. If for no other reason, I would have been like, Ivor, you literally said 10 minutes ago you weren't here for the money. And so I'm so happy to have given you this experience, but you're getting the boot because I am here for the money.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So, yeah, they could at least voted off Ivor. Like, bro, you're a fucking royal. You don't need this shit.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah, and he literally said it. He was like. And I think we all know we didn't come here for the money. And I'm like, is he insane? Yes, we did. That's the only reason we're here. Like, what he said the words. Like, he basically said, like, you can vote me out if you want. I just. Why split it four ways when you can kick him and split it three ways? Like, it just doesn't make fiscal sense. I'm sorry, but they're fiscally irresponsible people.

[Nick Viall]

That's an extra $15,000.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah, they're irresponsible in making great finale television and they're irresponsible fiscally, if nothing else. Maybe they're great people, but they're fiscally irresponsible.

[Dylan Hafer]

You tell them, Britney. We had Chris Shell on. She talked about the whole Danielle Swearing on her grandchildren. You are the clown closest to her, I would imagine. Where do you think that came from? Was she really just like, I'm in no matter what?

[Britney Haynes]

Oh, it definitely came from, like, she's trying to sell the idea really, really hard. I was a part of the conversation that Chrishell was in. It was separate from the conversation that you heard about on the reunion. It was a different time when she did it in front of Chrishell and I. And why while. So you just have to kind of. Because I know Danielle or I was very aware of Danielle's game. It didn't exonerate her for me. It did for them because they have no context of, like, these games, how people play these games. Big Brother players in general, sadly. But, like, so for me, when she did it, I was just like, all right. You know, it's just words coming from her because I knew that that would be, like, something. Thing that she would do and justify by saying, like, listen, this is a game. Like, this is. You know, this is the whole Big Brother mantra is like, it's a game, it's a game, it's a game, it's a game. However, Chrishell saying it, like, absolutely. I knew that she was a faithful after that because I knew that just Chrishell's personality and her history, it's just not something she would do. So absolutely, Chrishell and Dolores in that moment, like, like, they earned my trust 100%. Danielle. I was like, yeah, cool. But, like, yeah, you know, you just know it's a little different whenever you're working with someone who comes from, like, Survivor or Big Brother.

[Nick Viall]

So Danielle swore on her grandkids, and then, like, Rochelle and other people were also swearing on things that were important to them, basically.

[Britney Haynes]

Yes, correct. Yeah. It becomes. Well, like, in that scenario, it becomes like, peer pressure, right? Like, if somebody brings it up, then everybody else has to like, oh, yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

I swear on mine, too. I swear on mine too.

[Nick Viall]

And what if you didn't? Because, like, I don't know, like, I. For. For a game. My daughter. I'm sorry, I ain't swearing on anything. I don't care if I'm a faithful or a traitor. I ain't doing that.

[Britney Haynes]

Like, if you. If you're not lying, though, it's. It's not really like, an emotional. It was, I will say, like, Dolores, as soon as it happened, she immediately said, like, I'm disgusted that I just did that. Like, you could tell that she's, like, weird, not happy with herself that she had even done it in the first place, like, it. It bothered her to do it again. That's how I was like. Well, she's for sure faithful because it was, like, impactful to her. Like, she did not like it. And I get it. I. I don't think that I could lie like that either. I really don't. I'm in a different situation. I think it's left to the individual. I've been through personal life experiences that would make me, like, I couldn't. Plus, I have anxiety. Welcome to having anxiety. If you're a person who has anxiety, you have this, like, tendency to believe that words and actually can change biology and make, like, a meaningful impact on what happens in the real world. If you. If that doesn't. If you don't have that affliction, congrats. It must be nice to sleep all night every night. Like, you must just sleep so well. I am plagued with anxiety. So, like, no, I don't think that I could, like, lie like that. But again, you just got to know.

[Dylan Hafer]

The source coming off of that statement. Obviously, you are a mom. You've talked about your kids. How bad were or are your entire. Intrusive thoughts.

[Britney Haynes]

Oh, my God, the worst. And they. It's so heightened for whatever reason. Like, I don't even understand why this happens, but anytime that I go into a really, really stressful situation, it, like, brings it back. You know what I mean? Like, it. For some reason, it, like, bubbles it up and, like, it makes it. I don't know if it's because it's sort of like reintroducing the mental environment that you were in when you were in, like, the. Your worst state. I don't know if you can relate to this at all, Nick, either, with, like, having filmed other shows, but it's like, it brings up, like, all of your worst, deepest, and you have to actively fight against that while also trying to accomplish whatever you're trying to accomplish on the show.

[Dylan Hafer]

Interesting.

[Britney Haynes]

It's really weird. I don't even know how to describe.

[Nick Viall]

It, how we're working with other Bachelor people. Obviously, Gabby did very well. Well, went home right away. But I also feel like basher people historically do very well on these shows, even though people often don't expect them to.

[Britney Haynes]

Yeah, they do well because they're great faithfuls. They're just really great faithfuls. We haven't. Well, wait. Ari became a traitor way, way, way late in the game.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Season one. Yeah.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Britney Haynes]

And then he quit because of it.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Britney Haynes]

Like, he literally couldn't go through the, like, emotional torture of Trying to cut someone's throat. So he just quit.

[Nick Viall]

Like Bachelor people are so afraid of being, like, the vill. Like, the bad guys. So, like, the idea of a traitor and having to kill someone is just like. It gives them the heebie jeebies. It's just like, it's.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Britney Haynes]

Like, he was. He literally was just like, oh, now I will have to fight for my life and try to cut your throat. And I'm good. It's been a good time, you guys. I'm out. And he walked away from the fire like it was crazy. But, yeah, people from Bachelor make great faithfuls because they don't really have, like, the gamer mention mentality. They're like. But they're good. They're good on camera. They're good at, like, forming connections and. And making it kind of fun and having fun with it. But when it comes to, like, the actual game, they're not seen as threatening because they're not just like, super game literate, if you will.

[Emmy]

So you're not a threat.

[Nick Viall]

I'm not a threat. There you go. I hope I get a chance.

[Britney Haynes]

Actually, you were rumored to be on that season. Like, I had read spoilers that you are going to be there.

[Nick Viall]

That's what I've heard. I think. I think I'm rumored to be on every season until I get on one season. I guess. I don't know. Maybe because we cover it or something. I don't know. I hope someday I get the chance. I hope someday my schedule allows it. So it looks like. It looks like a lot of fun.

[Britney Haynes]

Does it?

[Nick Viall]

You didn't have fun. You didn't have fun.

[Britney Haynes]

You always have fun in retrospect. Like, you get home and you're like, oh, look, I'm on a helicopter.

[Harvey Guillen]

We.

[Britney Haynes]

That's so fun. But, like, when you're actually doing it, it's horrible. Like, you're away from home for a month. You don't have any contact with your family. You're in this, like, paralytic anxiety state at all times. All the obtrusive thoughts. Like, it's. Yeah, it's difficult. Like, you work for the money, I'll tell you that much. Like, it's work on your mind, body and soul. But then there's always the retrospective where you're like a. That was great. Like, I loved that person. That was so fun. You know, I'd like to go back for a day. You feel that way about anything that you. You film, but it's always miserable when you're filming.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, well, Brittany, thank You very much for taking the time and giving us that insight. Are you, do you think maybe any more like Big Brother, like All Stars? Are you, are you looking for more?

[Britney Haynes]

Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. I, I would take, I would take a call. I, I would never do Big Brother again. And it's like traditional three month long format because it's just not conducive to my family anymore. A little harmless Christmas, Christmas theme spin off. What could go wrong?

[Nick Viall]

Okay, maybe, maybe, maybe someday. You know what? Traders is three seasons now. Do you think they'll have a Traders All Stars?

[Britney Haynes]

I don't know. I mean, I've definitely heard people say that they suspect that they will. Who knows? It's not in any of our hands. So we can, we can put it out there, but it's up to the powers that be at Peacock to agree.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it's very, very, it's a very popular show right now now. So, you know, when they make money, they look to make more. So who knows? Britney, thanks so much for taking the time. We appreciate you. Where can people follow you? Plug away, tell, tell them all the good stuff.

[Britney Haynes]

Follow me on Britney. Underscore Haynes is my Instagram and I have Traders recaps on my Patreon account and you can find the link there in my bio and I'm going to start covering my OG aired in 2010, Big Brother 12 season on my Patreon account. All about the nostalgia.

[Nick Viall]

All right, well, check it out. Britney, appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

[Britney Haynes]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

All right, take care. Bye bye. She made a good point about like, it's almost as if Danielle had no way to win at that point. Unless, I mean, Britney was her, I guess, only option. It makes sense.

[Emmy]

I could listen people to people talk about gameplay for hours.

[Dylan Hafer]

It's so interesting strategy.

[Will]

And I mean, I don't agree with her. If I was the four faithfuls, I'd have been like, we have to stay or else one of you guys is getting crucified. Because like she was saying that they should do what Trishell and CT do, where she was like, why wouldn't you just like take the money and vote someone out? But MJ got played in that and I'm like, no, I would do the opposite.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's, that's maybe the thing is just like the, the alliances weren't as strong as CT and Trishell. Yeah, they, they obviously had been friends from their time on the challenge together and it seemed like Gabby and, and Dylan were like maybe the closest line to that point. But that was after a whole season of like Dylan going after Gabby as he mentioned to us and is going deeper episode. You really have to have someone that you're going to be like, I'm going to fuck these other people over. You know, you kind of have to know like CT and Trishell like kind of knew, hey, we're going to screw over mj.

[Emmy]

I agree with Brittany though on the Ivor thing. Like seems like a nice guy but he's a royal. He's not there for the money. Come out like split up, split them, split the money, the workers.

[Nick Viall]

But in the moment, without being able to talk to any of your peers, are you really going to like actually do that and assume that everyone else is aligned with you? Because no one really was. I mean actually one red flag, it only takes one red flame. And then you can be like, this guy doesn't need the fucking money.

[Emmy]

He's rich.

[Nick Viall]

He's rich.

[Emmy]

Yeah.

[Will]

That's why you have to be Dolores and go in there and just like tell me right now or not and I'll fudgeing kill you. Like just tell me, are you going to vote me out?

[Natalie Joy]

I was like to Dylan's point too. And he was like, it's, it's not worth ending a friendship or screwing over a friend for 10,000 extra dollars.

[Emmy]

Like speak for yourself, I'd sell all you out for $10,000.

[Natalie Joy]

Good to know Mary. Good to know.

[Will]

Well, breaking news. The second season of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives will launch on May 15th on Hulu. Just announced.

[Dylan Hafer]

So it's not on ABC. So it did not take the Bachelorette airing time. So that rumor is debunked.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well like we said, we have Emmy and Will with us tomorrow for a very juicy epis of going deeper to talk all about the summer hospitality reunion. Why Will wasn't there, what's going on with their relationship, all that drama and so much more will be tomorrow. Do we feel comfortable we left off Summer House.

[Will]

I mean we didn't, we didn't talk about how Sierra laughed at Wes's joke and he was like, I feel better now.

[Emmy]

That's a very me thing to feel better about. I really related to west in that.

[Will]

Moment cause it was when Kyle was like, I mean anybody can invest $25,000 into the company. And Wes is like, mm, I don't have have the money right now. And Sierra was like. And Sierra was like, that's kind of funny actually.

[Nick Viall]

It was just self deprecating enough of Wes for her to be comfortable enough to laugh about it.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Dylan Hafer]

All it takes.

[Nick Viall]

I could, I could see the like he's still poor. Ha. I feel better about myself.

[Harvey Guillen]

Yeah.

[Emmy]

And Wes was like, yes, she likes me.

[Will]

And then Kyle was more offended by Paige calling him the dictator of the dinner table instead of two faced. I, he was like call me that one more time. And she's like dictator of the dinner table.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. I, I, I don't know agree with like how Kyle handled it per se. Clearly Kyle feels on an island. He feels alone and not saying who's right or wrong but like I don't know, like if you're married and you know Kyle's has had his transgressions against Amanda, well documented and the things he said and shouldn't say towards his wife but you shouldn't have to to like fight with your partner, your spouse about like having each other's back and feeling like your partner has your back. And I don't know how Kyle and Amanda gotten to the point in which they gotten to but clearly Kyle feels like he is on an island as it relates to his business. And while I don't agree with how things might be handled, if there are rumors being spread about him and his business that are coming from Craig and these rumors are negatively affecting his business business, I would, I would feel a certain way about it.

[Dylan Hafer]

There aren't rumors that are. It's Craig just worked with a different company. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No, but like I don't know. It wasn't Kyle saying about like seven.

[Natalie Joy]

Hannah for Oh, the Hannah.

[Nick Viall]

Sure. But everything that's going on between like Hannah and Craig and all these room, you know, all the things that Kyle's mad about.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah but I'm like in Amanda's defense, I'm like Amanda had Kyle's back when it came to Hannah and that ruined a friendship with her. They're like cannot even be in the same room.

[Nick Viall]

Did Kyle get Hannah fired?

[Natalie Joy]

That I don't know.

[Will]

I mean they said it was disproven in this episode.

[Dylan Hafer]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm like if you watched this season, I was like Hannah didn't do herself any favors.

[Nick Viall]

Why did he hang out on the show?

[Natalie Joy]

I don't know why Hannah got fired. She just wasn't asked back for the following season. What she's saying that Kyle did was that Kyle got mad because she did an ad for Truly and that he went to production to get her fired. Amanda says that that's not, not true. I don't think Hannah was getting along with a Lot of the cast members.

[Nick Viall]

That seems unlikely.

[Will]

I think the history, when I look it up, it looks like the reason people think Kyle got her fired is because she implied that Kyle was the reason she didn't get asked back.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Will]

So, I mean, we don't know.

[Dylan Hafer]

The fact that there is not one different label of alcohol anywhere in that house on camera shows that Kyle definitely has an upper hand than most of these people. Like us, they have production laying out his. His company and will not allow any competition around.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, if you're Kyle, I mean, you fight for that, right? You know?

[Will]

Yes, it's true.

[Emmy]

What if you, like, have a lover boy allergy, Would you just not be able to go on Summer House?

[Will]

Lindsay did have the champagne, but they did not show.

[Dylan Hafer]

They didn't show the label brand. They didn't show what the it was. She just said, I have a non alcoholic champagne and Carl's drinking non alcoholic.

[Natalie Joy]

Lover boys when they're cheersing. You know, I'm just saying that I'm like, I do feel like unfortunately, unfortunately, Kyle's in the wrong here because it's like your issue is with Craig, your issue is with Hannah. And instead of reaching out to those two people, you're now putting one of Amanda's best friends in a tough spot to where it's either have Kyle's back and fight with your friends or be on my side.

[Nick Viall]

But, like, I don't get what Paige is supposed to do.

[Natalie Joy]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

It's not. Not Paige responsibility. That's why it's just more like. And. And the fight was between, like, Kyle and Paige. I get that, but I'm just saying, like, Kyle shouldn't feel like he's on an island.

[Emmy]

That's just what happens when you have the DJ table.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. Amanda's gonna have her girlfriend's back where it's like she even thinks. She even said, this man is off his rocker. Like, you're yelling at Paige about something two people did, that it's none of Paige's responsibility. So now you're just putting me in an awkward position.

[Nick Viall]

Like rage texting someone is crazy. Wow.

[Natalie Joy]

Or rage text the right person that you're mad at, this poor girl's waking up being like, what the fuck? What did I do to you? Where's my name? And any of this, even if Craig's.

[Emmy]

On Do not Disturb, you can push through.

[Nick Viall]

I. I'll. One other thing though. I will say, though, it's just, it's tough in adult relationships, especially when money or business or like, adult topics sometimes get Intertwined with friendships. Sometimes you have to pick sides, and it's really tough to play both sides or maintain friendships with two opposing sides who are in conflict with each other. Eventually you just are forced to pick a side, you know. And while I don't agree with Kyle and how he went after Paige, I guess I, I can see a situation where Kyle's married to Amanda. Amanda and Paige are best friends. There's, you know, Paige is hosting her podcast with Hannah, who, like very much Kyle and Hannah don't get along. And every once in a while, Hannah's on their very popular show talking her shit. And then Paige's ex boyfriend, or then boyfriend is like, I just, I can see why things get like a little like, convoluted. And every once in a while, you know, here is Kyle Paige, who's like, recently was just hanging around Hannah, who recently said some about his business. I'm just saying eventually it's, it's just really hard to constantly be Switzerland and sometimes like, you know, you need to take a stand and sometimes friends involved are just like, you know, get pissed. Being like, why are you. Why do you hang out with that piece of. Or why do you with that person? And blah, blah, blah, not, not agreeing with anything. But I just like, it's really hard to be Switzerland over and over and then like, maintain this level. Level of like, you know, Paige is acting like a martyr for like trying to play both sides. But it's, it's also like. And I get it, for her standpoint, she wants to be friends with everyone. But I'm just saying eventually that clock ticks and eventually someone comes and says, hey, you can't be Switzerland anymore. I need you to pick a side. And all I'm saying is I kind of get that.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm just like, at the end of the day, I'm like, Paige is going to choose Hannah over Kyle any day.

[Nick Viall]

Sure, though.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm like, and at the end of the day, those are both her co workers. Kyle is a coworker. Hannah is her coworker.

[Nick Viall]

She made pick Hannah 10 times out of 10. I'm just saying if. Well, I don't agree with how Kyle's handled it. I'm just, I can get, I can get why eventually he's just like, I don't give, like, fine, you're. You're not on my side. You know, there's a lot of times where n. I will have conversations with people we hang out with or acquaintances of ours or people at times we've like, referred to as friends. And every once in a while I'll say to Natalie or she'll say to me, these people aren't our friends. You know, and you really, as you get in a different adulthood, like, you need to know who your friends are and you need to know, like, who has your back. And you need to know who's talking shit when you're not around and who is, who is defending you if shit gets talked behind your back when you're not there. And that's good to know who those people are. And, you know, I just, eventually it gets to a point where you're just like, I don't want to fuck with people who I know don't have our back. And I kind of get it, period. Anyways, that will do it for us this episode tomorrow. Don't forget Will and Emmy of Southern hotel hospitality. If you haven't been watching this show, you are missing out. Many have called it what is replacing your vanderpump rules itch. So if you're looking for messy people working at a bar and like and dating and accusing each other of sleeping around, this is the show for you. And we have Will and Emmy addressing all of the rumors and drama tomorrow on Going Deeper. And then we're back on Thursday for another hit reality recap episode. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye. The BA Files is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states.

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