E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files - Episode E904 Title: Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shafir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles

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Introduction In Episode E904 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall, along with co-hosts Natalie Joy and the Household, delve into a lively discussion encompassing parenting, reality television, celebrity news, and the intricacies of side hustles. This episode features special guests Melanie Lynskey and Jason Ritter, followed by a comedic segment with Ari Shafir.

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Parenting and Family Life The episode opens with a humorous segment where Nick humorously confesses to developing a "diabolical habit" of leaving chewed gum around the house, much to the chagrin of his co-hosts.

• Nick Viall [02:14]: "I've developed a new habit."
• Justin [02:16]: "A diabolical habit."

As the conversation shifts to parenting, Melanie Lynskey and Jason Ritter share heartfelt insights about raising their daughter, River. They discuss the joys and challenges of parenthood, emphasizing the importance of teamwork and shared responsibilities.

• Melanie Lynskey [26:18]: "It was always there."
• Jason Ritter [28:11]: "It's like something slowly being revealed."

The hosts and guests reflect on River's developmental milestones, highlighting her budding personality and the delightful unpredictability that comes with raising a child.

• Melanie Lynskey [26:57]: "This morning, our daughter told us our hair was too crazy to do an interview today."
• Nick Viall [27:20]: "It was crazy to watch her like..."

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Reality TV Discussions A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting various reality TV shows, including The Bachelor, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), and Temptation Island. Melanie and Jason share their perspectives as avid fans and participants in the reality TV landscape.

• Jason Ritter [31:18]: "We've always liked it... There's so many shows."
• Melanie Lynskey [35:38]: "New Zealanders are so good at sniffing out bullshit."

The discussion delves into the authenticity of reality TV portrayals, the strategic gameplay of participants, and the emotional toll these shows can take on both contestants and viewers.

• Jason Ritter [37:09]: "I feel like some people need to learn life lessons by going on a reality show."
• Melanie Lynskey [37:38]: "She's so still, though. She's like a queen."

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Side Hustles and Industry Insights The conversation transitions to the topic of side hustles, sparked by Tina Fey's recent remarks on wealthy individuals pursuing additional ventures. The hosts and guests debate the necessity and perception of side hustles among the already affluent.

• Tina Fey [11:26]: "I find it fascinating."
• Nick Viall [12:53]: "If an actor makes $8 million on a movie, about 25% is taken off."

They explore the balance between passion projects and financial stability, questioning whether side hustles are a genuine pursuit of interest or merely a means to diversify income streams.

• Justin [12:16]: "Yeah, she doesn't have to worry about money."
• Melanie Lynskey [15:38]: "She's still acting."

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Guest Segment: Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter Melanie and Jason delve deeper into their personal lives, discussing their involvement in current projects like Yellowjackets and Matlock. They offer insights into balancing demanding careers with family life, the impact of fame on parenting, and the evolution of their daughter River's personality.

• Jason Ritter [35:47]: "Through this divorce, it's like, it's humanized her in a lot of ways."
• Melanie Lynskey [36:09]: "She was so cute."

Their candid conversation provides a glimpse into the challenges and rewards of maintaining a strong familial bond amidst busy professional schedules.

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Comedic Interlude: Ari Shafir The episode features a comedic interlude with Ari Shafir, who discusses the nuances of comedy, crowd work, and the fine line between humor and offense. Ari shares personal anecdotes about his experiences in stand-up comedy, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and the challenges comedians face in today's social climate.

• Ari Shafir [94:21]: "Nobody hates comics more than comics."
• Nick Viall [96:07]: "You treat your partner like a constant nag or whatever... Resentment is probably the number one way."

Ari reflects on the evolution of comedic styles and the importance of connecting with the audience without crossing boundaries, highlighting the delicate balance comedians must maintain.

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Conclusion Episode E904 of The Viall Files offers a multifaceted discussion that intertwines personal anecdotes with broader societal observations. From the humor in everyday parenting mishaps to the complexities of reality television and the debates surrounding side hustles, Nick Viall and his guests provide an engaging and thoughtful exploration of topics that resonate with a diverse audience. The inclusion of Melanie Lynskey, Jason Ritter, and Ari Shafir adds depth and variety, making this episode a compelling listen for fans seeking both entertainment and insight.

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Notable Quotes Highlighted:

• Nick Viall [02:14]: "I've developed a new habit."
• Melanie Lynskey [26:18]: "It was always there."
• Jason Ritter [31:18]: "We've always liked it... There's so many shows."
• Ari Shafir [94:21]: "Nobody hates comics more than comics."

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights shared during the episode, providing listeners with an overview of the engaging conversations that took place.

Transcript

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[Justin]

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[Ari Shafir]

You'Re crazy.

[Nick Viall]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. And boy, do we have a fun episode for you guys today. Melanie Lynske and her very charming husband Jason Ritter are joining us momentarily. Jason's been on the show a couple times. It's been a while. Always a big Bachelor fan. He was here to recap some Bachelor episodes a while back. It's first time having Melanie on. They are a very adorable couple and they're also just big reality TV fans and so we are excited to have them on as well. And later, Ari Shaffir, a very hilarious comedian who has a new Netflix special out, will join us as well.

[Justin]

Nick's developed a new habit.

[Nick Viall]

I'VE developed a new habit. Uhoh. What?

[Natalie]

Good habit, bad habit?

[Nick Viall]

Probably not great.

[Justin]

A diabolical habit.

[Natalie]

We hate it.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Do I know what this is? I know what you're going to say.

[Justin]

Crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Say it.

[Justin]

He leaves chewed up wads of gum on random surfaces throughout our home.

[Nick Viall]

Lee.

[Justin]

I've left several.

[Nick Viall]

I've left.

[Natalie]

Wait, why is this a newly developed habit?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

At 44 years old. I remember she just now started not throwing his gum in the trash can.

[Natalie]

I feel like this was like a bit on like Parent in like Parent Trap or like an old movie where it was like she would like take her gum out and like put it on her like headboard. And I used to do that when I was like 10, thinking it was so cool. Oh, I know, I know. But you're not 10. Why is this happening?

[Justin]

I don't know why, but it's in awful places.

[Natalie]

What do you mean?

[Nick Viall]

Well, bad dad here.

[Justin]

This is a joke. We all make mistakes. I'm. He puts river down for a nap and rushes out of the room for some reason, don't know, call business a business as usual. Who knows what's happening?

[Natalie]

What the fuck does that mean?

[Nick Viall]

Well, you know, you're putting your daughter to bed and you're.

[Justin]

Oh, he's smacked.

[Natalie]

She's like waking up her eye like, shut up.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, sorry, sorry. Sweet, pretty little baby. And then I took the gum out and put on this little nightstand.

[Justin]

So I checked the monitor and she's like not asleep. She's kind of just awake chilling. And I'm like, okay, well I'll let her work it out. You know, she's not crying, she's just kind of hanging out in there. And she loves her crib. So I would check back in every couple of minutes and she's laying down, she's sitting up, she's standing up, she's laying down, she's. And then I'm like, what am I doing? Like I might as well just go in there, you know, and like rock her and try to get her back to sleep. And thank God I do. She's got that gum all wrapped around her hands. No, I mean just like stretching it, playing with it. I was like, oh my God, is.

[Natalie]

She ready for slime?

[Gina]

She's a slime girly.

[Nick Viall]

Like three weeks before that I caught her. I want to say it was Natalie's gum, but who knows, who knows, who knows?

[Justin]

Now I leave gum.

[Nick Viall]

I just want, you know, just in case the parent shamers pop out. I, you know, I just want to make sure we both go down inflammation for sure.

[Justin]

Thank you for protecting me.

[Nick Viall]

But our daughter's so smart because, like, I caught her chewing gum. She was just like, swallow it. Totally. I was a little freaked out. Like, oh, my God. And she was just chomping away like, good old dad.

[Justin]

But even, like, shug, our babysitter, she was like. So I found, like, several pieces of chewed up gum, like, in random places. And I was like, yeah, no, I know. That is Nick.

[Nick Viall]

All right, we'll work on that.

[Natalie]

You asked her to guess, Nick?

[Justin]

She was like, I. Like, there's one on her changing table. And I feel like that the. The. The diaper trash cans. Right? It's the most accessible trash can in the house. Truly. I mean, it's just. It's right there. It's easy to throw away.

[Natalie]

Are you going back for these pieces of gum?

[Justin]

Oh, my God, no.

[Nick Viall]

And what may or may. Related news. Natalie told me 17 times yesterday about this new article.

[Justin]

Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, I think I know what you talk about.

[Natalie]

I just wanted to know if you go back for these chewed up pieces of gum or do they. Are they part of the house? Like, when you, like, put it down? Like, are you coming back?

[Nick Viall]

I'll be honest. I have no recollection.

[Justin]

Just swallow it.

[Nick Viall]

What do they say? Like. Like when you're on the stand. I do not recall. I do not recall.

[Natalie]

And I plead the fif.

[Justin]

That reminds me of that Justin Bieber deposition where he's, like, sitting and he's in some lawyer's office. It's not a courtroom, but they're, like, showing him some videos, and he's just. The whole time's like, I don't recall. Yeah, I do not recall. I do have a confession, though. When I'm done with my gum and I don't know where to put it, I'll give it to Danny to swallow. For me to swallow.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I'm hearing so many.

[Justin]

You also gave Danny Louie's umbilical cord to give to the dog to eat. So you need to stop giving Danny things to dispose of. You are not wrong there.

[Natalie]

I had forgotten about that.

[Justin]

Did you know that, Nick?

[Nick Viall]

What?

[Justin]

Leia. She was at the house with Louie, and she was. She was at our house with Louie, and she was talking about, like, oh, my gosh, how funny is this? Like, whenever Louie's umbilical cord fell off, you know, it falls off like, a week after you get home. Sure.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Danny fed it to the dog, and I was like, what?

[Nick Viall]

On purpose?

[Justin]

Yeah, that was tradition in the family. Apparently, I was like, that was the. The way he was.

[Nick Viall]

By tradition. You mean like a Jewish tradition?

[Justin]

His family, they. Every time they had an umbilical cord fall off, they would feed it to their dogs.

[Natalie]

You guys, this is making me nauseous.

[Justin]

And, like, for me, I was like, I have that saved. What other traditions do they have somewhere?

[Nick Viall]

Is there a seance or what?

[Justin]

Well, for me, I was like, oh, my God. That was like, the way that they were connected to us. Like, you didn't save that. And she was like, oh, my God, I didn't save it. I had an existential crisis right there on your outdoor couch. I was like, fuck, why didn't I save that? Yeah, you were like, now I'm mad at Dann.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, why don't you just feed, you know, all your first photos of all these moments to your dog, too? Like maybe a whole photo album. Any other special moments with your child you want to feed your dog?

[Justin]

Well, marijuana users are now six times more likely to have a heart attack. Do you want to rethink your choices?

[Nick Viall]

Well, here's the thing with six times higher than what?

[Justin]

Than before.

[Nick Viall]

Well, maybe it was zero before, and six times zero is still zero.

[Gina]

Has Natalie told you the facts of this?

[Nick Viall]

No, I'm just saying, like, a percentage is, you know.

[Justin]

Please, Nick.

[Gina]

Well, so basically, a new study of 4.6 million people found that cannabis users were more likely to experience heart failure, strokes, and cardiac arrest smoking weed or.

[Nick Viall]

Gummies, or do we know?

[Gina]

Well, so young marijuana users are six times more likely to have a heart attack than those who abstain from the drug, according to a new study that analyzed data from 4.6 million people. The study followed adults younger than 50 who didn't have any comorbidities. 2010 to 2018, according to research. Specifically, cannabis users were six times more likely to have a heart attack, four times more likely to have an in. Seismic stroke. I might be wrong with the pronunciation to next point.

[Natalie]

More likely than. Than. Than what?

[Justin]

Than the average person who's not smoking weed.

[Nick Viall]

Another marijuana user over here across the room.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I'm fine, and I have no issues.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just saying six times zero is still zero.

[Justin]

Why are you timesing it by zero?

[Nick Viall]

Well, you. Because I don't know. Six times more than one.

[Justin]

Six times.

[Nick Viall]

If there's a 1% chance that I have a heart attack because of, you know, and then if it's six times more likely, that's still, you know, I'm.

[Natalie]

Just saying this is the medication that we're giving to like cancer patients, glaucoma. You know, it does specify.

[Gina]

It says cannabis use appears to pose a substantial and independent risk for those outcomes, even in a population without traditional cardiovascular risk factors. So that's what it is for people that aren't already, like, at risk of, like, a heart.

[Justin]

Gotcha. So it makes you at risk.

[Nick Viall]

I'm short of breath. Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

It probably was, like, Joy, not burnt toast.

[Nick Viall]

I think that's brain cancer. That's a heart attack.

[Justin]

Because your arm hurting. I think arms left your arm hurting.

[Natalie]

Your heart attack.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. I think I'm okay.

[Natalie]

Smelling burnt toast is a stroke.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. I think I'm good. In other news, Ryan Reynolds requests that he be dropped from Justin Baldoni's lawsuit. Ryan Reynolds is asking a judge to drop him as a defendant from Justin, but only's 400 million lawsuit claiming Justin. His argument against him has no legal bounds and amounts to hurt feelings, which. All the Justin Baldoni stands are up in arms. But makes sense to me. I don't know, like, why, like, is he just being sued because he's married to Blake? There's all this speculation about, like, the Deadpool or nice pool, whatever in his movie. I don't. I don't think that's illegal.

[Justin]

So can you just sue anyone who's just, like, mean to you?

[Nick Viall]

I think anyone can sue anyone for anything, but when it gets goes to the court and things like that, I think there are certain things.

[Justin]

Because I'm coming for you. Trolls.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I think there's certain, like, legal things that, like, hold water or not.

[Justin]

Could you imagine if I, like, became a billionaire and it was just off, like, suing people in, like, my comments who are mean to me. I'm sorry.

[Natalie]

I remember the comment. What was the weird word that they're trying to say? A word.

[Justin]

Oh, indoors.

[Natalie]

Endorse. Okay.

[Justin]

They're only here to see what I endorse.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Watch out.

[Nick Viall]

We'll see what happens with that case. We should probably bring back Emily Baker sooner than later to have her break down any updates in this case. But we will follow along. Not sure if will be granted or not, but, you know, we shall see. It makes sense to me because I just don't know. It seemed. It seemed almost. When he was brought into that lawsuit, it just seemed almost, well, retaliatory and kind of almost like, oh, well, I'm gonna go after you. You know, it's like he didn't work on the set. I mean, obviously, all these, like, theories and stuff like that. But we'll see. We'll see what happens with that case. Tina Fey, this is interesting, admits that she judges rich people. Isn't she rich? Who have side hustles?

[Justin]

Yeah, she's not judging herself. She's judging her peers who are also rich, who feel the need to, like, start a liquor company. Start a. Yeah. Or start, like a hair company. Hair company. An activewear brand.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I don't know. I just for me, because you know.

[Justin]

That they're not that involved.

[Nick Viall]

Who cares that they're only doing it.

[Justin]

To make more money?

[Gina]

Have you walked into Narwhan? Every brand is a celebrity brand if you think about it.

[Nick Viall]

Well, celebrity brands are the yuk chart. Some of them are very successful. Some of them aren't. Are less than successful. But, like, I don't know. I. Listen, I. My big thing is, like, I don't know what Tina Fey's wealth is, but it sounds like she's. She's up there. She's very successful at a successful projects. I know when super rich people have opinions about how other rich people, like, make and spend their money, I'm just like, I'm uninterested in that opinion. That's just my opinion.

[Natalie]

I find it fascinating.

[Nick Viall]

What do you do?

[Justin]

I mean, I think she was. I think she was being funny. And I think it was like an interesting take of, like. Like, I'm judging you for, like, needing to have a side hustle when, like, you already make billions of dollars.

[Natalie]

If Your rate's like $8 million on a movie. But then it's like, you know what? Fuck it, let's throw a tequila brand on top of that. I'll shoot a commercial once in a while. Like, I get it where she's just saying, like, I kind of hate money. I have a problem with rich people having a side hustle. If you already have like 200 million, I judge it, like, how much is.

[Nick Viall]

She of that money she hates? Has she. Has she given away?

[Natalie]

I mean, I don't know about her philanthropic endeavors, but I'm like, I'm sure it makes it. She probably does give.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. And like I say, if actor makes $8 million on a movie, about 25% of that is just taken away off the top to, like, their agents and managers and lawyers. So bam, 25% gone. Then half of that the government takes. So you got, let's sell 8 million. What's 25% of 8 million? Take 2 million off, you got 6 million left. Now all of a sudden 8 million becomes 3 million. And what if they Love math. So I cannot fact check.

[Natalie]

I'm the meme.

[Justin]

I can't even fact check that.

[Natalie]

Where the woman's just staring out and it's all the equations floating around her head.

[Justin]

Y. I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

And maybe they got a couple family members taken care of and things like that. Maybe someone came into them and said, hey, you want to start a T shirt line or something? They're like, great. And then maybe that blew up, and.

[Justin]

Tina's just saying, like, I just judge you a little bit for being, like. Also, like, she's saying it's a little cringy.

[Nick Viall]

Has Tina Fey ever done a commercial?

[Gina]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

And, like, couldn't that be.

[Natalie]

She's still acting?

[Nick Viall]

Couldn't that be. Thought it was, like, a side hustle.

[Natalie]

She's still acting. She's an acting job.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, you know, she's, like, holding a shoe.

[Natalie]

Still acting. Yeah, there's nothing acting at the table.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, like, yeah, she's entitled to her opinion. I don't know. It's just more like. It's just like, when she's, I'm guessing, doesn't have to worry or worry about money point. Like, period.

[Natalie]

I don't think Kylie does have to.

[Nick Viall]

Worry about money, and she's incredibly successful being a producer herself.

[Justin]

Have you ever, Writer. Have you ever judged your peers for, like, doing something that you feel is a little cringy?

[Nick Viall]

Cringy, sure.

[Justin]

And that's what she's saying. She's saying that, like, George Clooney. Not George Clooney, but example George Clooney having his tequila company is a little cringe. Cringe.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, when he. I don't know when he started or what he was worth, but, like, he made a ton of money from it.

[Natalie]

I respect the side hustle, too, where I'm like, listen, if I don't want to do 500 movies this year and I can make the same amount endorsing a brand, by all means do it. But I'm. I also think that the opinion is.

[Nick Viall]

Kind of funny, but also, like, Tina Fey, like, she's an actor, she's a producer, she's a writer. That those aren't those kind of side hustles. She doesn't just do one job.

[Natalie]

They're all one umbrella.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What. And what is that umbrella?

[Natalie]

Entertainment.

[Justin]

No, her dare.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. And so let's say George Clooney, like, I'm sure he used his celebrity and his marketing ability or, like, just his good face, like, his celebrity. How was that really different than what Tina Fey is doing?

[Natalie]

Because, like, they don't use, like, real tequila in movies.

[Nick Viall]

Right.

[Natalie]

It's like water. So it's like these are two very different things.

[Justin]

It's not like he's not acting like he likes his tequila.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. Maybe he is.

[Justin]

Then that's fucked up.

[Natalie]

He's also not sending out emails being like, who wants to collaborate?

[Nick Viall]

There's a lot of actors out there who get like, maybe one job every five years, but by all means.

[Natalie]

And that's what we're saying where maybe that's not your. That's your main muscle.

[Nick Viall]

And she's also not talking about they make money. They're like, no. What? I'm just. I don't know. I think it's a very. She's in a very convenient position to have an opinion like this. And it's like, okay.

[Justin]

I think it's her being funny and being cheeky and just like calling out some of her, like, friends. And it's like the fact that she would do this to people is really up.

[Natalie]

It's like, really it up for the rest of us.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just gonna chew my gum and smoke my weird.

[Gina]

You know, a celebrity endorsed or invested in Forever 21. It may still be here, honestly.

[Nick Viall]

See, that's what I'm saying. We needed a. A side hustling celebrity to save America's favorite.

[Natalie]

We don't need to save forever 21.

[Justin]

I don't know.

[Gina]

Favorite brand.

[Justin]

Yeah. It was its time.

[Nick Viall]

That was a hellscape to walk into one of those stores.

[Gina]

Oh, for sure.

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Justin]

First of all, you triple clothes. Yeah. Nothing was ever organized. You walked in an immediate anxiety.

[Natalie]

I'm next. I'm looking at army print next to fluffy pink jackets.

[Justin]

Also, there's like the running joke of, oh, my God, this cute white, like, T shirt. And you pick it up and it's like, puppy lover. And you're like, what the fuck? Come on.

[Natalie]

We're doing so well.

[Justin]

Yeah. So honestly, it was time. RIP Forever 21 honestly had a great run. The shoes that I was wearing the day that I Met Nick are forever 21. And I will never get rid of them because they hold such a special place.

[Natalie]

Honestly, some of my older pieces from Forever 21 still hold up. It was like once they turned into like, wash it once and it shreds. Then it's like, yeah, I can't shop here.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

But I used to love it.

[Nick Viall]

Is anyone watching the. The Baldwins show? Like, it's been out, like, have people talked about it? Does anyone give a. I Haven't heard anybody.

[Justin]

We're watching.

[Nick Viall]

I. I don't. I don't. Do you think they're still promoting the show? Because, like, I. They are an example of everything I don't want us to be.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, no, they're. They're. There's a clip of them on a red carpet where. It was crazy. The interviewer asks a question to, like. Like, both of them. And she.

[Nick Viall]

Even if it was kind of directed.

[Justin]

To her, she kind of, like, starts answering, and then he's like. He starts complimenting her. He's like, she's like, star. Like, she's amazing. And she's like, I was talking. Don't interrupt me when I'm talking.

[Nick Viall]

I. When I talk you. And he looked like he.

[Justin]

He was like, I'm sorry. And, like, looked down. It was so sad.

[Nick Viall]

And he looked dead inside. He looked like a broken man.

[Justin]

When I'm talking, you're not talking in front of people.

[Gina]

Are you my mother?

[Justin]

Like, House, like, this man has been through a lot, and now you're, like, snapping at him.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, get a podcast and talk some to each other for fun. Like, we do, like, oh, my God, don't bring it to the red carpet. And, like, yell at your spouse for the point where they just, like, die inside.

[Justin]

But also, that sentence, like, when I'm talking, you're not talking is such a degrading sentence. Like. Like, there's a way to be like, honey, could you not interrupt me? Like, I was in the middle of a set, like, story, you know? Like, there's a way to say, like, hey, wait your turn.

[Natalie]

It's also giving, like, mother of seven. She was like. And eight.

[Justin]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. I mean, I don't know. It's just.

[Natalie]

That gives zero patience in the fact that he wasn't even, like, shocked by it.

[Justin]

He said, I'm sorry, and looked down at the ground like, the saddest face I've ever seen.

[Natalie]

We know who is running that household.

[Nick Viall]

Uh, what would you. What do you. What do we think is a approach. You know what? Let's ask our guests, because I think they just got done from dropping off their child at school, and we can find out what they think is appropriate to pick your kids up at school, because there was a Kylie Jenner video that has since been taken down.

[Gina]

I went to find it, and as of now, it's not up. It's. It's a collab with a brand that she's dropping a latex dress, her ID'd not her itties. Her bitties are out. And like, what was the first one? I almost said itties.

[Nick Viall]

Well, bitty guy, Russian's gay. He doesn't know to talk about boots.

[Gina]

I was trying to blend over it in, like, a piecey way.

[Justin]

But her jitties.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Justin]

Her pet, her tatas were out.

[Gina]

Okay. And like, basically, I mean, I took it as she was joking, like, in the heart of, like, promoting the dress, but she was like, yeah, like, I would pick up my kid in this dress.

[Justin]

Was she being sarcastic?

[Nick Viall]

Probably.

[Gina]

I took it as, like, being funny. Maybe not sarcastic, but it's like, maybe not that serious. It's not serious.

[Nick Viall]

Like Tina Fey.

[Gina]

Oh, well, there you go. Anyways, the Internet is outraged.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you know, as they should be. And not that they should be, but that's just what they do.

[Natalie]

It's just. It's so apparent it's a joke. And even if she does pick up her kids and, like, why does it bother you?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Because husbands.

[Natalie]

Because husbands, exactly.

[Justin]

But, you know, the school that she's going to is like the school with all of the other famous celebrity children. And I'm sure they're all picking up their kids also in, like, a latex dress as well. So it's like they're just all in one.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think, like, with, like, are there schools that are just riddled with celebrity kids?

[Justin]

There are, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Gina]

There's a ton of schools that I could name of, like, celebrities and normal people going to.

[Natalie]

Yes. Up towards.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think it's like a red carpet every day?

[Natalie]

No, I don't, but I do. Like, I hear stories from people being like, oh, yeah. Or like, when my friends used to nanny and they'd be like, oh, yeah, Charlize Theron just came and picked up her kid while I was waiting for, like, mine. And it's just like, that's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe our guests will have some thoughts on what they wear when they pick up their kids because they're up next.

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[Jason Ritter]

Thank you so much.

[Nick Viall]

Welcome back, Jason.

[Jason Ritter]

Thank you very much.

[Nick Viall]

Welcome Melanie.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Nick Viall]

So good to have you both. I'm been we've texted a few times about coming on. Obviously you guys are busy with life and being parents, but it's just, it's great to have you back and have you on for the first time.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, it all worked out.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I mean I had absolutely zero idea that you had this accent.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh, really?

[Justin]

Yeah. And I feel like I've watched so obviously I've watched so much of your work, but just I feel like I've watched you on red carpets and it's never clicked for me. And then meeting you in person, I'm like, oh, yes, of course.

[Melanie Lynskey]

When I'm actually talking, I try to say as little as possible. On a red carpet. Because I'm so anxious. Just trying to get through.

[Justin]

Just get through.

[Nick Viall]

Just leave New Zealand.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I'm from New Zealand.

[Nick Viall]

Yes. I went there once.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh, did you like it?

[Nick Viall]

I loved it. Yeah. I was there filming a show called Special Forces, so. Oh, right. I was quite tortured. The experience itself was great. Beautiful. I mean, like, food, amazing.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Where were you?

[Nick Viall]

What part? Queenstown.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, so beautiful.

[Nick Viall]

Gorgeous. It was like July. June. July. But it was winter there.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So beautiful. Yeah. Just wonderful food.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah. Very good food. Queenstown is amazing. We gotta see that show. We've never seen that show.

[Jason Ritter]

I know. Yeah.

[Justin]

I've never watched Special Forces. No, it's a good mix of, like.

[Nick Viall]

It's a good family show.

[Justin]

Yeah, it is a good family show.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't realize, like, who watched it. But then after I was on it, like. Like, young families with their kids would approach me.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, that's cool.

[Nick Viall]

And it kind of made sense because when you watch it back, it's, you.

[Jason Ritter]

Know, it's good, clean fun.

[Nick Viall]

It is, right?

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

But, like, you know, resiliency and fighting through adversity and it's, you know, it's on Fox, which is network, and it's pretty. It's pretty clean.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So families can watch it together.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Just one.

[Justin]

Just one.

[Melanie Lynskey]

She's six.

[Justin]

We have one. She's 13 months old.

[Nick Viall]

Can I show you a video?

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, my gosh. Please.

[Nick Viall]

We just got this today.

[Justin]

Oh, she has her. Her morning bed head, but she's walking the dog.

[Nick Viall]

She's walking the dog.

[Melanie Lynskey]

She's so cute.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick Viall]

She's, like, right on the vert. She, like, says mama and Dada. And, like, she's saying words and, like, recognizing pictures and things like that. But it feels like she's at the age where she doesn't know how to say things. But you can tell she's processing. Oh, yeah. It's a very fun age.

[Melanie Lynskey]

It all happens. It happens so quickly. This morning, on the way to drop her off to school, she told both of us that our hair was too crazy to do an interview today. Oh, yeah. Too crazy. We both had to fix our hair before we came. Cause she's like, what are you guys doing today? And we're like, oh, we're gonna go. And to. She's like, well, your hair is too crazy. You gotta fix it. Dad up. Mama.

[Justin]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Hopefully we could. God.

[Justin]

Yeah. No, it's looking great now.

[Jason Ritter]

I don't know what.

[Melanie Lynskey]

You changed a lot.

[Natalie]

Took a shower.

[Justin]

Yeah. It is crazy to Watch her like. Cuz. Yeah, she can't really say a lot, but if I'm like, oh, can you put this over there on that stool? And she will go and do it.

[Jason Ritter]

So wild.

[Justin]

It's really crazy. When do you feel like her personality, reality really came out and started to be who she is today?

[Melanie Lynskey]

It was always there.

[Jason Ritter]

I think it is weird is. It's like. It's like something slowly being revealed. So initially you're like, I. It just seems like a baby or something. And then even when you see other babies, you start to realize like, oh, no, that's actually only something that our daughter does or whatever. And. And then as they get older, you realize that, yeah, it was kind of always stays there. Wow.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it kind of makes sense because you almost have to like, as you. You're there every day, you know, you get to know your kid and. Yeah, when you're talking about that, like, like the way river smiled, that's, you know, it's just like. Yeah, I guess she always kind of smiled this way. But you don't really appreciate it when it first happened. You don't know if it's her thing or just.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Something babies do. Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Ritter]

A universal thing.

[Nick Viall]

Or like, is she a genius or she just like kind of normal developing skills, you know, because like, you know, it's like every day there's this like, she seems to be learning something new and I'm like, wow.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, genius.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Probably a genius.

[Jason Ritter]

But it is nice when they start being able to use their words. And then, you know, as soon as our daughter could say cat, we knew that she was obsessed with cats. And she's been obsessed with cats for.

[Justin]

Was that her first word?

[Melanie Lynskey]

No, her first word was moon. Yeah, Moon. Other than mama and Dada.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God.

[Melanie Lynskey]

She pointed to the sky and she said moon. And we were like, yeah, it was really cute.

[Justin]

Rivers. Dog, Right? That was like her first word. Because we have two dogs, so I think it was very easy to just.

[Nick Viall]

But yeah, it was. Over Thanksgiving, we're at her sister's house and they have lots of dogs. And she just like pointed and said dog. Oh, my God. Because before that it was like mama and dada were just like things she learned.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

She kind of says mama and daddy for a lot of things right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like.

[Jason Ritter]

It was a really dog, dog.

[Justin]

She points him out and now it's like she'll hear a bird like, like tweeting or cawing and she will like, it's so sweet. It's really cool to, like, watch them grow into human beings.

[Jason Ritter]

It's so cool.

[Justin]

We were talking before y'all came in here about Kylie Jenner recently has gone viral for saying she would pick her kids up from school in a latex dress that she was wearing. Wearing. And so the Internet, obviously, the Internet.

[Nick Viall]

Internet did their thing.

[Justin]

How would you feel if you were like, oh, let me just put on this latex dress to go pick up my kids. Are you dressing up to pick up the kids or are we in, like, a robe and pajamas?

[Jason Ritter]

We put on our latex as soon as we get home from drop.

[Justin]

Of course, when the kids are gone. Yeah, the latex comes out. Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I mean, I think that's awesome. There really is, like, at our daughter's school, there's a range. Most people are pretty comfortable.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah. Somebody said one day they were like, oh, you always know who's in the industry because they're either not here or they're in pajamas. And I was like, they're not pajamas.

[Justin]

He's the cashmere sweater.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yes.

[Justin]

Oh, okay.

[Nick Viall]

And what are the non industry great parents wearing?

[Melanie Lynskey]

I don't know.

[Justin]

A pantsuit maybe?

[Melanie Lynskey]

A lot of people are in pajamas. A lot of people are in pajamas.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

That would. I feel like that would be me with like an open mug, you know, coffee, and like my robe on and slippers.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, we've definitely brought the coffee into. Especially assembly mornings.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Jason, you obviously came on a while back to talk of some bachelor back in the day. Is that you guys are still watching. You know, a lot of people have fallen off here or there.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We.

[Jason Ritter]

We missed the last.

[Melanie Lynskey]

The last, like, three, I think.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What was it for you guys that kind of just didn't do it for you?

[Jason Ritter]

I don't know. I mean, we've always. We always liked it. There's just so many shows. There's so many great shows. And we got sucked into some of the Netflix dating shows and. And the Traders. We.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I think also we have so little time at night. Like, once we get our daughter down and then to watch something that's two hours and then like, Oscar voting.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We had to watch so many movies.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And it was like, I don't know. And then we just sort of ended up not getting into it.

[Justin]

Then also once you go into, like, some of the other shows and you realize how just crazy those are, you go back to like the Bachelor recipe and you're like, okay, well, it's always so fun.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Like, we always do really get into it.

[Jason Ritter]

Whenever we. Yeah, we start it, we. We get sucked in and we're in for a whole season. We've never, like, jumped off midseason, but.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And I like Grant. It's Grant, right?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, he seems.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, we've had a chance to interview him a couple times. Lovely man. Yeah, he seems like a really lovely guy. Also, He. He did a really good job this season of not saying thanks for sharing. Every time someone said something emotional where, like, a lot of. A lot of the bastards before him were like, I don't know what to do in this moment of you actually sharing. So they kind of awkwardly decided just go, thanks.

[Jason Ritter]

Thanks for sharing.

[Melanie Lynskey]

You know, imagine if you shared what is usually your deepest trauma with somebody, and they're just like, thanks for sharing. You just. You'd feel so shut down.

[Justin]

Yeah, thank you so much for giving me that information. Do you want to, like, do fantasy suites? Yeah, exactly.

[Melanie Lynskey]

It is strange that, like, trauma dump dinners, they do, like, why is it needed?

[Justin]

And they're doing it earlier and earlier, it feels like.

[Nick Viall]

Which I think it's lazy producing.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Is it, like, a formula? They think, oh, it's gonna get the viewers on this person's side and make them connect, or.

[Nick Viall]

I think so. I mean, it's. I mean, they've always done that. But, like, it feels like the past few seasons, it's almost become like a trope where it was definitely. Yeah. They really lean, you know, And I think. Do you think part of it has to do with, like, the show's been around so long in that, like, it's hard for them to cast anyone who hasn't grown up with it or seen it so many times. They think that's what they're supposed to say. But, like, so there's a part of that they come in with. And I think, at least, I don't know, maybe some of the producers just. That's their shtick, you know? And so they just think, oh, I guess we're supposed to do that. But it's always just weird, you know, and then it becomes like a competition of stories, and the next thing you know, you have someone being like, you know, I've just, you know, ADD and, like. Not that. That's not. But, like, I mean, you know, I guess. But, like, yeah, you know, it becomes like this thing where everyone's just kind of watering down these various things where it was like. It's almost like a competition, you know, in a way where it just feels, like, disingenuous, you know? Are you saying this because you really want to open up. Are you saying this because that's.

[Jason Ritter]

Just Try to send me home now. I just told you the most tragic story in the world.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So what are you guys enjoying right now?

[Jason Ritter]

The trainer.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We went straight from the US Traitors to the new season of the British Traitors.

[Justin]

What is better?

[Nick Viall]

Is that a celebrity one or is that.

[Jason Ritter]

It's not. Which isn't.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Have you not seen it?

[Justin]

It's good, but is it. How do you feel about it? Like, do you think it's better to see just normal people fighting for this, or do you like the aspect of, like.

[Jason Ritter]

I mean, there's celebrities, there's definitely an element of, like, you know, I don't know. I. I guess I don't really know what the celebrities like, what they do with the money, if it goes to charity or. Or to them. So I don't know. But there is.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Some of them do need the money. I will say. Well, not everyone's, like, so rich.

[Jason Ritter]

No, that's true. But there is something about, like, just seeing a bunch of people who are just playing a game who also don't have, like, oh, I know what it's like to be on tv or.

[Melanie Lynskey]

That's the nice thing, you know, like, they.

[Jason Ritter]

They are. I mean, a villain will really expose themselves on, like, just because that's who they are. There's one person on one of the seasons from a different country that is, like, chilling, you know, it's like.

[Melanie Lynskey]

It's full sociopath.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it's fun.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We've watched all. All of them.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah. Everyone that we can get our hands on.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah. The New Zealand one is really fun because they're. First of all, New Zealanders are so good at sniffing out bullshit. So they just find the traitors immediately. Immediately. And they're just like, oh, so sorry, mate. I just think you're a traitor. Oh, I am. It's been really hard. I haven't enjoyed it. And then it's just like, so fun, funny. They're so kind to each other. Nobody's backstabbing. It's really.

[Justin]

Would you ever do it, if you.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Were asked or not in a million years?

[Jason Ritter]

I probably would.

[Justin]

You would?

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

I love that. I love Mafia. I love that game. I love all of that. I love trying to figure stuff out. I also love trying to figure out how to lie, if that's what the. What it requires. It's fun.

[Nick Viall]

It's kind of. I. I don't think I'm a good liar, you know, I think. I guess I could if I want to, but there's a icky feeling and then, like, comforting.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Thank God.

[Justin]

It's like, I'm really good at lying. I lie all the time.

[Jason Ritter]

I cannot stop lying.

[Justin]

I truly can't stop. I've been lying to my life is a huge lie.

[Nick Viall]

But like, with the game, when you're supposed, like, you wouldn't, like, swear on anyone's. Some of that stuff is like. It's just a game. I don't know if I need to swear on anything meaningful.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We have a rule at home when we play Mafia. When we have mafia at our house, there's a rule that nobody can swear on anything.

[Jason Ritter]

Relationship based on children.

[Melanie Lynskey]

My ex husband swearing on our marriage once.

[Justin]

Oh, God.

[Nick Viall]

That's trauma.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And you're like, see? Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

And it worked. You believed him.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And then I did believe him.

[Jason Ritter]

And then.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And he was like, he's not in the Mafia. He'd never swear on Arab marriage. He's not in the mafia. He's. Poor Jimmy. He's such a wonderful person. He's just a good game player. He's like. He was like, people are going to believe me. You believe me. I was shaken.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

We had a. We. We started. I have my. My little group of friends and I, we've all played this game called the Resistance. And it's also a, like a lying game. It's kind of like Mafia on crack or something. It's just very fast and just a lot of lies. And we started with like, this is a moral gray area. Safe zone. You can say whatever you want. You can do whatever you want. And then slowly we had to be like, okay, but you're not allowed to do that.

[Justin]

You can't say that.

[Jason Ritter]

That's crazy.

[Justin]

Yeah. And that's way too far.

[Nick Viall]

Weird if someone.

[Justin]

And that hurt my feelings.

[Nick Viall]

I've been cheating on my wife this whole time.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Jason Ritter]

You said this is all great. Now you all are, you know.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Would either of you want to go on the Traders?

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

The opportunity was. Has been presented early in the past. I just couldn't make it work. I. I hope someday I get the chance. And we, you know, with the show and our daughter and just like, I. I hope I get the chance to. It'd be a lot of fun.

[Melanie Lynskey]

You'd be so, so good.

[Justin]

It'd be so good.

[Nick Viall]

I think it'd be okay. I think I would come in with a little target on my back.

[Justin]

Because it is. Yeah. If. If they're doing it how they've done it in the past it is like majority of reality TV stars in this show. You know, we talk a lot about reality tv.

[Nick Viall]

We've shared some opinions.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, of course, that kind of thing.

[Justin]

Enemies along the way that are mad that he called them something with love.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, I was just talking about your character. I didn't have. But you seem lovely and person. And then I think some people think of me as like, you know, strategic or whatever. And like on fan forums for the show, I guess I get brought up as someone who like we interviewed Derek from this season and he was saying, oh, I thought you were going to be on this season. So I kind of looked you up and you know, yada, yada yada. And you know, I think you, I thought you were going to be good. So it's like you don't want really people to know much about you or have really any opinion of you, especially like your game playing abilities if you have them. But that being said, I always kind of get shocked with the celebrity traders is like how the gamers don't really kind of get targeted. It's always like this year it was the Housewives. Why are we going after the Housewives? And it's like every season they pick at least one gamer to be a trader.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And you would think that the people there would be like, well, someone, one of these gamers is definitely a trader. Can we assess them out? Like, let's just keep focusing on them because they're also still the best ones too.

[Jason Ritter]

Absolutely.

[Nick Viall]

Everyone else vibes.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Carolyn was.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, she was amazing.

[Justin]

She was so good.

[Melanie Lynskey]

She was. Her instincts were so good every time.

[Nick Viall]

And I got to say I, I think I'm a fairly decent people reader. But when we interviewed her and she came in, it was a bit of like a hectic. She say she landed and we were, we were leaving la. She was coming into la. It's a bit hectic but like she really keeps you on your toes because she's always with you and you know, and she obviously has kind of eccentric appearance and she. You're just like, I don't know what to. You're too busy just trying to learn about Carolyn. Whether long she's a traitor or not a trader. I can see why she flew under the radar as long as she did.

[Melanie Lynskey]

She was a great choice. Amazing choice.

[Nick Viall]

Bev Hills. Are you guys up to date on Bev Hills?

[Melanie Lynskey]

I think so.

[Nick Viall]

I think we are, yeah.

[Justin]

You saw the Sutton on trial at sea?

[Melanie Lynskey]

No. Is that id?

[Justin]

That was, that was. I think that was Last night. That was last night. Yeah, it came on last night.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Well, we were still on the UK Traders last night.

[Jason Ritter]

We were watching. And Claudia Winkleman, everything up to.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, so who are some of your favorite? Like, where are we standing with, like, Dorit and Sutton or Dorit and Kyle? How do you. How do you guys see the group these days?

[Ari Shafir]

It is.

[Jason Ritter]

It is interesting how it, like, shifts over time. Like, I've come to really enjoy characters that I. I had a tough time seeing who they were, but I think anytime someone goes through, like, a read, really tough time. Like, I think Dorit, with the break in and all of those things that, like, really. And through this divorce, it's like, it's humanized her in a lot of ways for me. And so I feel sad about the Kyle and Dorit thing, because I just feel like they're both in so much pain.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

And they both, I think, have a hard time talking to their soon to be ex husbands about it. So it's like they. They come at each other when they could be hugging and crying.

[Nick Viall]

Well, last night's episode, Erica kind of came for Sutton a little bit, and she, you know, when you go back and watch it, it'll be interesting. Well.

[Justin]

Cause I'm sure y'all saw the whole Sutton comment of, like, our wallets don't, like, you need to mess with someone whose wallet matches.

[Jason Ritter]

She goes for the jugular.

[Justin]

She really laughs.

[Jason Ritter]

She, like, will go if you're. Yeah, she will just. And she comes in ready to go.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you. Yeah. And that's. That was kind of Erica's gripe. So Erica kind of very. You know, she's. She really. She. She owned that.

[Jason Ritter]

I love Erin.

[Justin]

She delivered it very well.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Has clearly done a lot of.

[Justin]

A lot of work.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Work. And the way that she's, like, laying things out and being able to step away and take a deep breath and come back, I'm very impressed with it.

[Nick Viall]

She was so. She, like. So she. I'm excited for you guys to watch it, but she was so calm, and she was just like, so listen, Sutton, I've just kind of noticed that for whatever reason, you seem to come at some of these ladies in the group when they're at their lowest, and. And then you're. You're. As a viewer, you're like, hm, Yeah, I guess. And then she was like, well, you know, you kind of did it with me, you did it with Kyle, and now you're doing it with Dorit, and, like, Sutton just loses it, you know.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh, really?

[Nick Viall]

Well, because and, you know, and then there's this whole semantics argument where Erica said, like, you. You brought down you. You bringing the women down at their lowest. So Sutton's, like, basically accused. Sutton hates all women or something. And, And Eric, like, well, no, I'm. Here's three examples. You know, that's the thing. She came with, like, three examples, and it was like, yeah, and it makes a lot of sense because, like, Sutton always seems lovely. Justin's a huge Sutton fan. He gets.

[Gina]

I'll defend her to the grave.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And what is it, what is it about?

[Gina]

Well, I mean, I base it in, like, my experience of meeting her, I think, but I think she's like, like, she'll have a genuine conversation with you, even if you are a normal person. And I just take it as, I take it as she says it, how she sees it, like, she's going to ask the questions people aren't asking, asking.

[Jason Ritter]

I, I will say I got a chance to meet her, and she was lovely. She was very nice, and it was, that's why I'm always sort of surprised on the show where, when, when she feels attacked, how intense her comments to, like, it's, it's, it's further than, like, that hurt my feelings. And I want to tell you, it's like, I want to hurt you so bad.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

She gets, like, vicious.

[Nick Viall]

And as soon as you say, like, Sutton, can I. And then you could see her just, Just kind of. And just like, as soon as you give that note, she's like, I feel whatever. And it just cuts.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And you're just like, well, I was just trying to construct.

[Jason Ritter]

I do, I do feel for her. I feel, you know, I, you know, I think you. That comes from a lot of pain is as well, but, you know, it's such, and it's such a hard thing to deconstruct like, Like Erica has done. When you're feeling attacked, you can step back, take a deep breath, figure out if you actually are being attacked. But I think she, when she feels attacked, she goes into, like, super fight mode. And if she could, if she could, like, snip that button to response and be able to take a breath and think, is this actually what's happening? You know, I, I, I hope. I wish that for her, but it.

[Nick Viall]

Is fun to watch, but Erica really has come a long way. I was, it was, I was, I had always had a hard time with the whole earring controversy. Oh, yeah. I was like, man, just, you know.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Regardless, you know, the. For her to be. However they were able to live the lives that they lived back in the day when they lived this life of opulence and luxury. For her to lose seemingly all that. Yeah, get this again. I'm sure it's a very lovely place and it's in Bev Hills, so I'm sure also probably still really expensive, but just the, the shift in her to make the most of a completely different lifestyle and a complete, you know, is hard for anyone. And there, you know, when, when a lot of people lose that much, they, they don't often pick themselves back up and, and reinvent themselves.

[Melanie Lynskey]

You gotta give her a lot of credit. And I also really had a hard time when all of that stuff was happening, when everyone was like, well, of course she knew what he was doing. She's not like, in his law firm, like, looking over the books.

[Justin]

Like, he definitely didn't seem like the type. Well, he definitely didn't seem like the type who at the dinner table was like, honey, let me tell you about.

[Nick Viall]

All of my clients. Family of four, but I thought you would have.

[Melanie Lynskey]

So maybe you need a private jet, like. And, well, oh, it's so awful.

[Jason Ritter]

I've also seen a lot of rich people who have, you know, they have a certain lifestyle and when things start to, like, go wrong, they, they keep up appearances and it becomes like a pyramid scheme and they're borrowing and, like. And so, you know, I think you, your much younger wife would be someone that you wouldn't be like, listen, I'm in trouble.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

You know, you're, like, trying to still keep up appearances of. I got you. I got. I can do this. I can do this. And he was never my favorite, but I, I. Oh, he was so horrible to her.

[Justin]

I know. God, she's really come. She's really come a long way.

[Melanie Lynskey]

She's come a long way. We may never see another or what?

[Justin]

I know.

[Jason Ritter]

She's so still, though. She's like a queen. I keep on, like, studying her. She's. Because she's so, so, like, powerful.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I was on Dancing with the Stars with her way back when.

[Justin]

Oh, wow.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm a bit introverted outside of talking for a living. And so is Erica, and she's so. She's. But you know me. Yeah, but, like, she's. She's tall, she's beautiful. She, like, sometimes I will get criticism for being unapproachable or aloof or looking like my face looks like a dick. I've been told, you know, And Erica can be very intimidating. I can go up to her and talk to her, she's so nice and chill and cool. But like you, she is intimidating.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, yeah?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

In person. And a lot of it, it's just kind of her quietness and she's comfortable just kind of sitting in the background.

[Jason Ritter]

Well, the answer.

[Nick Viall]

That's very nerve wracking for people sometimes.

[Jason Ritter]

Absolutely. I think she. She allows. You know, I'm. I feel like I meet someone, I'm like, how can I show you that I'm. I'm not a threat, you know, and she's just like, hello. You know, she has like. She doesn't matter what you think of her. She. She is very like, in her body, which is cool.

[Nick Viall]

I don't need to talk to feel unaccountable.

[Jason Ritter]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

That's a you problem.

[Jason Ritter]

Exactly. I wish I.

[Melanie Lynskey]

You should try.

[Jason Ritter]

I'll try.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Just go around being kind of calm.

[Justin]

And slow or what.

[Nick Viall]

Are there any Housewives franchises you guys enjoy these days?

[Jason Ritter]

That's the main one.

[Melanie Lynskey]

That's the only one we really watch.

[Jason Ritter]

I also. I'm a. I'm like you. I'm Kyle. I'm kind of like, she can do no wrong.

[Melanie Lynskey]

That's what I'm like with Kyle, too.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

I just think she's at least trying and she's honest and she's trying to bring people together. And not that she's like, never made any mistakes, but I just. I feel like she's a good person and at heart, I think.

[Justin]

I feel that. I feel that way too. I. I think also, I mean, in this episode, you'll see, but like, Garcelle really is just. She doesn't drop the Morgan weight of it all. And it's like.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but I kind of get Garcelle point of view. She calls out Sutton for basically being in Kyle's back pockets. Like, you're this with all the other ladies, but when it comes to Kyle, you always give her a pass. And then there's a moment later episode where there's like an exam, like an example of it where, you know, Kyle doesn't have Sutton's back, but Sutton doesn't call her out. But. Well, she'll call up the other women. I guess I get where Crystal's coming from because I. I could never do what these ladies do. Housewives like what they give to the audience.

[Jason Ritter]

It's true.

[Nick Viall]

It's unbelievable.

[Jason Ritter]

Do you think they, like, like at. You know, there's that cartoon with the. The wolf and the sheepdog, and they like, clock out at the end of the day. They, like, fight all day and then they're like, morning, friend.

[Justin]

I feel like, honestly, they do that like their friends. Gratitude to remain sane. Right. I mean, it's like.

[Nick Viall]

But sometimes it carried all that.

[Jason Ritter]

That, like, how can you can be like, that was too far.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, a lot of Housewives, there's. There's real feelings that go outside of doing these episodes and these scenes. I think it's a mix of both. I think some of it's a job.

[Jason Ritter]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

But they're all. They are human beings. And when someone's just screaming at your face and calling you out, it's intense. It's intense. And usually, I don't think, you know, it's reality tv. So the, you know, the. The. The idea is no one's an actor. They're not. It's supposed to be authentic. So you're not like, hey, I'm going to yell at you in 10 minutes. You're right. You just come in with and you make a decision. You caught that person off guard. But I guess back to the Garcia. I get it where it's just like, you know, we've been asked to do certain things and it's just like, no, like, you know, we have the show. We like to share some things about our relationship and our family. We pick and choose, but, like, we get to decide what we're comfortable with. And we very much want to protect our relationship. That matters above all things. And you give up so much control of your life. And you are expected.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

To talk about these things. And I think. I think with some of these ladies, they're just like, you know. Yeah, Kyle, she's been there the whole time. She's the og. She. She is. Is Beverly Hills Housewives. You know, when some of them else are kind of forced to talk about things they don't want to, it would be frustrating to be like, well, come on, Kyle, like, can we just get to the bottom of this thing that's not even that deep. And you're kind of putting it in our faces, but we're not allowed to talk about it. But I gotta talk about, like, why my son or kid or my husband or partner or what rumors? Or, you know, it's just like they always have to address these rumors.

[Justin]

But to Erica's point, she's. She was like, garcelle keeps coming at Kyle for this Morgan Wade of it all. And it's like, we know nothing about who Garcelle's fucking. It's like Garcelle just, like, will not let this. Morgan. It's, It's. She was Standing on the side of a stage and Morgan's and Garcelle's like. And what was that all about? You went to a concert?

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, it is.

[Justin]

It seems like she just went to a concert. It wasn't like a picture of them canoodling.

[Jason Ritter]

I mean, I. I guess that also at the same time, you can't, you know, have a show, just be like, everything's pretty good. We've done a lot of work on ourselves and feeling health if they are.

[Melanie Lynskey]

If there is a. Some kind of secret romance. It's a very attractive couple I have.

[Justin]

Wounded up on Morgan Wade TikTok.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh, yes.

[Justin]

Where it's just people at her concerts and she does Jesse's Girl. She does a rendition of that song. And I contemplate my sexuality while watching and I understand where Kyle comes from.

[Jason Ritter]

That's so cool.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, she's very cold.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

There's something very like very appealing. I get it. I get it, Kyle.

[Jason Ritter]

I also just like what she unlocks in Kyle. Like Kyle is having so much fun with her and like feeling. I don't know, just feeling. I don't know, I can't even. Who knows what she's getting the tattoo. It's like fun and life affirming and sweet and. Leave Kyle alone. It's her private.

[Justin]

Leave Kyle alone.

[Nick Viall]

So I was asking before we started recording, you guys have not jumped into Temptation island yet?

[Jason Ritter]

No, not.

[Melanie Lynskey]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Is that something we could interest you in? If. If Or. Or is like. Is that too kind of smutty?

[Jason Ritter]

No, I. We've gone pretty low.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, I mean, we watch Too Hot to handle.

[Justin]

Oh yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well then you need to watch Temptation. Cuz this is like that on steroids. Steroids.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Okay.

[Justin]

It's crazy. It's four couples who come in, some of them. One has been together for three and a half years.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Okay.

[Justin]

I think the one is like a young. So it's in between.

[Nick Viall]

It's like 20s, early 30s.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

Later 20s, early 30s.

[Nick Viall]

So it's more of a younger cast.

[Jason Ritter]

Right.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Okay.

[Jason Ritter]

Not like my four children and I just thought we would go on the show.

[Justin]

So those are the four couples at the top. And then they sit together as couples as all of the women, the temptresses, walk by. By. And then they sit there as a couple as the tempters walk by. And then they get to the temptresses and tempters like choose the person that they're interested in. So like in front of your partner, this like beautiful woman in a bikini walks up and like puts a bracelet on Nick and is like, I'm so glad you're here. And you just like, watch it. And then they go and move into a house with these.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Well, we love the ultimate. Oh, yeah.

[Justin]

There's hidden cameras everywhere. It's very much like we have boundaries of, like, we will not cross a physical line. And then they're like, having shower sex. The next scene with one of these two. And then the women go to a bonfire and they watch clips of what their boyfriend has been doing.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh, no.

[Nick Viall]

Or girlfriend. But usually, as you might suspect, that the two different islands have two very different vibes.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like on the man's island with the women, temperatures, it's party island. Yeah.

[Justin]

Whipped cream.

[Nick Viall]

And then on the women's side, it's like a therapy session of all the girls just kind of talking to all these guys about their boyfriends and kind of like, you know, he just doesn't. Yeah, listen, you know, like the way I want him to.

[Jason Ritter]

And he just doesn't stop having sex with these temperatures.

[Nick Viall]

And then like, people like Taylor Tyler, you know, when the temptresses were giving, you know, coming out, what did he say? Like, in front of his girlfriend was.

[Justin]

Like, oh, that one in that bikini is insane. Like, crazy stuff.

[Jason Ritter]

So are the tempters and temptresses just looking to mess up a relationship or are they looking. Are they singles looking to be with someone?

[Justin]

So, yeah, they give us. They give them, like, confessionals. They. They allow you to, like, get to know.

[Nick Viall]

They humanize them in a good way.

[Jason Ritter]

So they're not just there to be like, let me see if I can.

[Justin]

No, they're like, listen, I want. I want to, like, potentially build a relationship with you. Maybe we could leave this island together and like, not your girlfriend of four years, but me that you've known for two weeks. And so, yeah, they're all kind of.

[Nick Viall]

And then there's others who are like.

[Jason Ritter]

I just want to mess stuff up.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I don't want to says that. But they're Brian, his kind of story. His partner Shantae. She's lovely, calm. Seems so down to earth and just. I guess. Right. Reasons not to steal anything from the manager. And he is this, like, I'm paraphrasing, but he's like, my dick needs to have sex, not me.

[Justin]

This is like, I want nothing to do with it.

[Jason Ritter]

I'm on your side.

[Nick Viall]

The way God made me. I. I need to take care of my guy. You know, like, that's kind of how he talks. Shortly in he start, he has a threesome. In a shower. Oh, right after. He's like, yeah, didn't regret that. Basically, as if he went to check off a box and, you know, and he. And this Brian guy. And then there's this Grant guy. They clearly have never had, like, good role models, I don't think. And they seem to be very emotionally, like, stunted and immature.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Where, like, Grant also had sex with someone and then in his confessional, decided to forgive his girlfriend for. I'm not sure what. He's like, I forgive you. You know? And he's talking. He's like, I'm not a bad guy. I just, like. As if, like, the sex they're having on Temptation island is, like, something they owe to themselves.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And they don't regret it. And it's just the way these guys talk through their bullshit. It's.

[Ari Shafir]

It's.

[Justin]

It's a. It's. It's like a microscope into that age of man's brain and, like, how it works. And you're like, this in 2025, like, hookup culture, where it's just like, this is crazy. Like, you've been with this girl for two and a half years. You've been away from her for four nights, and, like, you're already having sex with someone else, and then you're like, listen, I'm. I'm not really sorry, but, like, I forgive you for all of our, like, past issues that we've ever had and.

[Nick Viall]

Like, basically love you accepting him for who he is.

[Justin]

It's.

[Jason Ritter]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, a man who just simply loves sex and, like, that's all. I just. What's so bad about that?

[Jason Ritter]

I do feel like some people in this world have to learn life lessons by going on a reality show and having. Having the Internet go, no, that's not. Not normal.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

Like, I. I sometimes. And maybe sometimes that doesn't even work, but, yeah, I. I think you would have to look at yourself if, like, universally there was, like, one response. It wasn't like, oh, there's, like, split. Like, everyone's like, this is not.

[Justin]

And what's so crazy is that Brion, one of the temptresses that he's, like, kept. They kind of, like, send the. Some of them home. You know, the ones that they're not really connecting with, they send some home and.

[Melanie Lynskey]

But you can keep multiple temptresses. Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Y. Yeah. After, like, a few days. I'm not sure what the timeline is. The host, Mark Wahlberg. He's great. Maybe also Mark Wahlberg.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, not. Not.

[Nick Viall]

Not Mark Wahlberg. But he's the other. So Temptation island actually has been like, I. I Season 1 I watched when I was a sophomore in College in 2001.

[Jason Ritter]

It's been around, and it was on.

[Nick Viall]

Fox, and it's jumped around from, like. I think it was on usa. It was on Peacock for a minute. Now Netflix has it, which is, I think, a really good thing. Okay. But he's the same from, like, years ago. But he. Unlike, say, like, a Chris Harrison or Jesse Palmer, no disrespect to them, and maybe the show doesn't ask him.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We love Jesse Palmer.

[Nick Viall]

Love Jesse Palmer. But every once in a while, you know, Jesse comes out and, you know, I don't know if you guys. Did you watch Clayton season when he was like, I love you all. And Jesse comes out, he's like, well, good luck. You know, he's just like. Like, the Bachelor would come out and just like, I don't. I don't. Yeah, I'm really in a lot of trouble here. And Jesse's like, yeah, yeah, you sure are. I'm excited to see how you. What you do. Yeah. And Mark is very much, like, giving, like, real genuine advice. Real. And it's just weird because it's this kind of smutty show where there's doing threesomes. And then in these fireside chats, Mark's like, so, wow. Like, that's, like, some real deep childhood stuff going on here. And they're like, you know, you're like, wait, wait, what show?

[Jason Ritter]

That's like the. The Jerry Springer effect. I remember I used to, like, watch that show and just be like, oh. And then at the end, he'd be like, you know what, guys? Listen. Be kind to each other. And, like, he always had, like, a. Jerry's final thoughts. And. And they were, like, pretty profound most of the time.

[Nick Viall]

What did that chair he threw, you know?

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You didn't stop any of those fights. But. But you're right, Jerry.

[Nick Viall]

Let me ask you guys a question. If someone said to someone, well, maybe you said to your wife, you're just like, there's only one Jason and there's only one Melanie, would you find. What would that mean to you?

[Jason Ritter]

Like, if. If in the context of, like, you've.

[Justin]

Been around a bunch of temptresses the whole time and, like, you wanna.

[Nick Viall]

You sent a video.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, oh.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And you're like, say, I was on the other island and I get this video from Jason.

[Nick Viall]

And he goes, I just want you to know there's only one Jason and there's only one Melanie.

[Melanie Lynskey]

So annoying. So annoying.

[Nick Viall]

Because they were like, wow, that's really romantic on that show. And I'm like, I don't even know what that means.

[Justin]

I mean, also, his name was Lino, and I don't know a lot of Lino, so.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, so maybe there's really only one Lino. Yeah, but her name is Alexa. That's pretty common.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Meanie.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

So. Okay, I didn't understand. So it's. It's because. So you're talking about someone who talks about themselves in the third person, which.

[Nick Viall]

Is always, like, it just like, was. He said it, like, it was so profound. And I'm like, well, first, I don't know. I mean, I guess, but. Huh. Like a. But if. So, like, did you have sex with someone else or not?

[Jason Ritter]

Like, my point is there's only one.

[Justin]

And when I did, it wasn't as good as it is with you, you know?

[Nick Viall]

So there's only one of you. There's only one of you.

[Justin]

It is a crazy show. And I feel like every. Every. My jaw is just dropped the entire show. Because you're like, oh, my God, these people. How are you doing?

[Nick Viall]

So if you guys are, you know. I know you guys have a lot of TV to catch up on.

[Jason Ritter]

That does sound interesting.

[Melanie Lynskey]

It does sound really interesting.

[Nick Viall]

Some of these shows, if you liked Ultimatum.

[Melanie Lynskey]

We do like the Ultimatum, but we like the Ultimatum because it's like. Like some of these shows, people's, like, fixation on bodies. I. It's like they don't know anything about people other than what they look like. And then people are like, oh, my type. Like, that's not my type. That's. It's like, who has such a specific type when you don't. Don't you need to know things about people? I feel so scared for, like, the world sometimes because it's like the things that make you fall in love with a person. Like, people that I've been with, it's like, all over the map. Like, nobody looks like each other. It's so strange to have, like, a type, I think, and stick to it so religiously when they say it, like.

[Jason Ritter]

Right when they meet someone, they're like, you're just so my type.

[Melanie Lynskey]

You're my type. And they're like, oh, thank you so much.

[Justin]

Your blonde extensions, your big boobs are just really my type.

[Melanie Lynskey]

That's what it is. It's distilling people down to, like, not even just bodies, but, like, body parts. Parts of a body that you find appealing. And then the humanity is, like, stripped Away. And of course, like, men like that are going to go on a show and be like, well, I get to whoever I want because there are body parts that are appealing to me and I'm used to these other body parts. And it's like this. I don't know, it just feels like the death of, like, empathy and feeling.

[Justin]

And people get. People get so, like, detailed on. It's like, well, my type is blue eyes.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I know.

[Justin]

So no green eyes at all.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Even though you have green eyes, I'm finding you attractive. So it's like, what's happening?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Thanks for really, like, listening to me and. And paying attention to what I said. But, like.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Wow. We're really connecting. But different hair color.

[Justin]

So sorry, it's not gonna work for me.

[Jason Ritter]

I'm just more of a.

[Melanie Lynskey]

So strange to me.

[Nick Viall]

And then you feel bad because, like, again, what's her name? Brion's lady? Shantay. She again, she. She comes across as such, like.

[Melanie Lynskey]

No, I just was feeling for Shantae.

[Nick Viall]

Well, she. Oh, my God, you're gonna feel.

[Justin]

You really do.

[Nick Viall]

If you watch it. You're. Because she. She just seems like such a good person.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And he seems like the exact opposite. Like, I mean, it's edited so, you know.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You don't know. But he. What we're seeing of Breon is. Is. Is not great. And he lacks kind of any empathy for her and any kind of thought that his decisions will impact her whatsoever. And it's just so hard to see her. But I have, you know, because I see this a lot in. In real life, in dating culture, where it's like, you see this person and you're like. Like they're. They seem smart and put together and self aware and have everything else going in their life. Yeah. And then you meet who they're dating.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And they're just like. And they treat them terribly. And they. And then she'll say things like, but I just love them so much. And I'm like, what Exactly.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

About them.

[Jason Ritter]

People are.

[Nick Viall]

Do you love. Like, what about how. You know, I always love to ask people, like, what do you love about how they make you feel that when you ask people that question, their eyes go. It's like their brain breaks because they never thought of it in those contexts. About, like, oh, how. How I feel. Oh, right. Cause it's like, well, it sounds like you've been miserable for, like, I don't know, like a period of time or like, maybe a year. And I'm like, well, what do you mean you love. Because, like, it sounds like you're confused and upset and hurt constantly, you know, but like, it's, it's. You see that people struggle with that. They just like, they decide they love someone probably maybe early in the relationship or whatever, and then they just kind of. The love that they have seems more based off of just like time invested in a way. Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

I mean, yeah. I think also sometimes, like, you can. You get to know somebody and you know their story and you know, what, what trials and tribulations they came through, and then you make excuses for the behavior that comes from that because you're like, oh, but I know, I see their little child, you know, like, I see who. What's going on, but there's no expectation to have them grow or be better. You're just so. You're not sort of seeing that daily. You're getting this behavior towards you. And I also think sometimes it's. It's easier to. To have a clear bad guy in the relationship. If, if you're both really trying, then you're both going to be the bad guy at different times, and that's uncomfortable for people. It's much easier for some people to go meet with their friends and complain.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Also, it's also a lot less scary to have your own negative self belief reinforced back to you than it is to believe in your own goodness and worth. And people just fall into traps where they don't feel good about themselves. They're with someone who makes them feel worse, and it's just like a cycle. They're just like, well, this makes sense to me. This works with my brain because that's what I'm already telling myself.

[Jason Ritter]

Right. Yeah. And they feel like. Also some people feel like, well, that's true. Anybody being nice to me is someone wanting something from me, but someone being mean to me, that's real. I can count on that.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Jason Ritter]

You know, which is a sad. Yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you guys are also in some really cool and exciting shows. You obviously are in Yellow Mirror.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah. And I'm on Temptation island on the new season. I didn't show you for a reason.

[Justin]

The Final Temptress.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, wow.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Justin]

The Temptress. Oh, good luck.

[Jason Ritter]

Good luck, guys.

[Justin]

Yeah, she's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Matt lacks a lot of fun. Oh, thanks. It's just fun to see you in. In, you know, out there and, like, blowing up and it's just. It's been great to see. And then obviously Yellowjackets is a huge hit. How many seasons now is it on?

[Melanie Lynskey]

3. Yeah. The third season is airing right now.

[Nick Viall]

So how do you guys manage, you know, your busy lives, your love for watching TV together, working, you know, being two working parents, but also very, very, very family oriented. How do you guys all make that work?

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely. I think, you know, we both. Both want to make it work. And when we first got together, there's sort of an element of spontaneity that, that you can just sort of do, like, oh, I have a job and it's over in this country, so come with me, you know? Yeah, yeah. And it become. And you can even do that for the first couple years with your child, but once they get into school, we had a sense that when our daughter started kindergarten that we wanted a little bit more stability and.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, so Matlock has been such a gift. Cause it films here. So when I was doing Yellowjackets and Jason was filming, I was going back and forth to Vancouver and sometimes I would go up and do a day and come back, you know, she came back, I came back every time, every chance I got. And most of the older cast is doing that. Cause a lot of us have kids, so there's not a lot of, like hanging out together time. It's nice when you do get to.

[Justin]

How's Vancouver? Do you like filming in Vancouver?

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, it's really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

We've never been.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, nice.

[Melanie Lynskey]

A lot of great playgrounds. It's really good for. For kids. A lot of great kids.

[Justin]

Is it really rainy there?

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yes, it is.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

But I'm from New Zealand, so used to it.

[Justin]

Does your daughter have a New Zealand accent or an American accent on some words? Really?

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

She definitely. I didn't notice it at first, but then all of a sudden I heard you say something and I was like, oh, my gosh. That's how.

[Justin]

Yeah, how cool.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Also, when you hear other little kids talk and they just fully have an American accent. She doesn't. Yeah, yeah, she has a little accent.

[Justin]

Oh, that's sweet.

[Melanie Lynskey]

And she's also lived in so many different places since she was born, so she's so cool.

[Jason Ritter]

Especially like the. The sound like. Or like four or something like that. She says it much more like.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah, four.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah. It's like I remember when my niece was, I don't know, three, maybe four, and she was. Peppa Pig was everywhere and she had her British accent for a while, like copying Peppa Pig.

[Nick Viall]

So getting to know you, J. It feels like you are a very involved father. Like, you guys seem like, very much like a team. And n. I very much try to emulate that and do that because what I've learned being a dad early on is that especially for dads and maybe even some parents, but, like, I think there's a lot of people who want to have kids. Yeah. You know, and it's like, I want to be a dad someday, but then I think there are people who, like, love being parents.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, um, and I feel very lucky. Natalie. I talk this about this a lot that I feel very lucky that I'm. We're with each two people who, like, we, we love being parents.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And we love, like, you know, sharing the responsibilities of, of raising her because, like, we, we. We like it, you know, And I feel very fortunate, and I think we both feel very fortunate. And I, you know, just from a very far, because I don't know you guys that well, and I see interviews and your social medias, but you guys seem like you both together as a team, really enjoy being a family. Being a team, being parents. It's just really fun and inspiring to see because, like, you don't see that all the time. And I, as a couple that very much tries to emulate that. It's really nice and fun to see.

[Jason Ritter]

I thank you. That's very nice. Yeah. I feel very lucky.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Are you gonna cry?

[Jason Ritter]

No.

[Justin]

Yes, he is.

[Jason Ritter]

No, I cry all the time. I do cry all the time. No, I think it's, Yeah, I, I, I mean, we talk about all the time how, you know, we. It's so, It's a lot of work and it's a lot of fun, but it's also a lot. And so, you know, you would, you would want. The luckiest thing would be to be with someone who also wants to be a parent as much as you do. Like that. It's such a.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Can't imagine doing it with someone who's like, oh, God, that's so annoying.

[Jason Ritter]

I never wanted something like that.

[Justin]

You want me to bathe her tonight?

[Nick Viall]

Come on.

[Jason Ritter]

Exactly. That.

[Justin]

It's like a kind of this thing that's going around is like, you know, I'm so happy that I picked someone who wants to be a husband and a father versus someone who wants a wife and babies. And it's such a. Oh, right.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, exactly.

[Nick Viall]

There's definitely a difference because there's a. I never thought about it until I was a dad.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, there's. Yeah. You don't want someone, like, if I was like, oh, you know, her, her daughter.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

So Bizarre.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Sometimes, like, people will be like, oh, my husband's babysitting tonight. And it's like, he's not babysitting just with his. You're not paying him to do it. He's parenting. Like, you would. Like, you wouldn't say, I'm babysitting tonight. You know, it's interesting.

[Jason Ritter]

It is funny to see the reactions to, like, a single dad at the park versus, like, you know, like, there's.

[Nick Viall]

Always, like a. Oh, wow, you're here.

[Jason Ritter]

Like, yeah, I. Sometimes I just take my daughter to the park.

[Justin]

And then you see a mom, like, nursing a baby, pushing one in a stroller with, like, four dogs. They, like, shut the door.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I know. Someone has to point out what she's doing wrong.

[Nick Viall]

We have a celebrity friend who was talking about, you know, they're also active parents, and when he takes their kids to school, he's treated like people are just like, oh, my God, yeah, you're.

[Justin]

Here to drop off.

[Nick Viall]

But when she brings to school, you know, and they're a celebrity couple like you guys, and it's just like, oh, yeah, sure. Mom brought the kids.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It's like the Red Bull standard and always weird thing. That's.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You need more people like us, Jason.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I know somebody said to me when someone was like, jason does drop off a lot. And I was like, yeah, why do we need to have a further conversation?

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I'm not like, I'm so grateful. It's like, yeah, yeah, he does.

[Nick Viall]

He does his part.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Yeah. I am so grateful. And we tell each other that we're grateful for.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melanie Lynskey]

But, like, normalize.

[Justin]

We did both sign up for this, so we are both doing. Doing just our part, you know?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. It just. It's. You know, anyways, yeah, it's fun to. It's fun to have a.

[Justin]

Sorry for healthy, healthy couples.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I just can't imagine doing it with somebody who's not as invested.

[Justin]

I remember my. My mom, she was like. Whenever I told her about Nick, she was like, I'm just so grateful that he, like, has never been married or hasn't have children before because she married my dad after he had three kids, and she was like, you know, the first time I was pregnant, I was like, oh, my God, the baby kicked. And she would say, my dad would be like, co. Because, like, he had been through it so many times. So, like, nothing was, like, as exciting as it was for her. And she was like, I'm so excited that you have someone who's just, like, equally on that. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Go through it all together after, after river was born, her mom was very graciously there to help. And, like, the first couple days she was looking, I just, I kept noticing her being like. Because I was just, like, involved.

[Justin]

He was, like, cleaning my breast pumps and would, like, get them charged. And she was just like, this is crazy.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm like another generation.

[Justin]

It's the worst parts.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I got real good at it. I was also a very good swaddler.

[Jason Ritter]

Oh, yeah. I was a good swaddler, too.

[Nick Viall]

I think some of the stuff that I like. I know maybe it's just like, there's certain things where we can't do the way mom can. Right.

[Jason Ritter]

Of course.

[Nick Viall]

And I feel like all the things that I could do that, like, you know, whether it's cleaning pumps or swaddling, it's like, I'm going to dominate this task.

[Justin]

I saw recently, someone, this older guy, he said his kids were, like, in college now, but he was like. One piece of advice I could give to parents with young children is like, make everything a game. Like, everything that you do. Like, you're sitting at a diner and you, like, do, like, blind taste tests of the syrup. Like, you just, like, make everything that you do this just, like, fun game so that, like, they. Well, I think it was talking about, like, not needing screens or whatever, but it was just, like, a fun way to think of, like, involving your kids in everything you do. Like, instead of distracting them, you involve them and, like, you give them, you know, it's a cool.

[Jason Ritter]

That is a cool.

[Nick Viall]

How do you still work screen stuff? Because that is something that makes us so, you know, we don't have to worry about it now. She's so young.

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah. You know, I, I, we, we try to limit it, but she also, I think, I think the key is that, like, we talk about it with her and, you know, it's not just like, she's not just sort of zoned out. And also, she still loves going outside and going to the park. And if there was ever a moment where it was like, tantrum, because I just need more iPad, then I would feel like, oh, we've gone too far.

[Melanie Lynskey]

But we do other things, things with her that are fun. So she wants to do the other things. Yeah, like, she wants to play, she wants to draw, she wants to do a puzzle. She wants to go somewhere, you know, so it's. I think you have to give them other options, otherwise, of course, they're going to want.

[Nick Viall]

Natalie taught the how to be excited about everything. Now River Anything new we present. She goes, oh, yeah, because we just started doing that to anything new. We're like, wow. And now she just mimics anything new. She goes, it's literally the best. Sweet. Oh my God. Well, we know you guys have to get going and we thank you for your time. It was just fun to catch up with you. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Ritter]

So fun.

[Nick Viall]

Hear about you. What, what's up with you guys and all your fun projects? Anything you guys want to plug before we let you go?

[Jason Ritter]

Yellow jackets is coming out every Friday with new episodes, I think. Unless there's a break.

[Melanie Lynskey]

I don't. I think so. I don't know. Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Friday, Fridays.

[Justin]

Yeah, Fridays, right?

[Jason Ritter]

Yeah. And then Matlock is on Thursdays, but not these next two Thursdays. There's three episodes left starting on April 3rd and it's like it all. They're three really great ones.

[Nick Viall]

I anytime I was home sick growing up, I was like hoping a Matlock episode back in the day. It's so nostalgic to see it back on.

[Melanie Lynskey]

It's great to have you be a part of it.

[Jason Ritter]

It's so much fun. I'm having a great time.

[Nick Viall]

It's great, man. Well, it's congratulations to all your guys success and it's great to catch up with you guys and thanks for coming on.

[Jason Ritter]

Thanks for having us. So nice.

[Justin]

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[Nick Viall]

L A L I just love Jason and Melanie. I've always been a big fan of Jason's his I mean for those of you guys don't know like Jason's dad, like a legend through his company. Yeah. Which I actually saw John Ritter, for those of you guys who don't know, sadly passed away many years ago. And. Yeah, so. And then Jason, you know, is. Has been in the biz for a while, and it's been fun to see him become more and more successful, obviously. We know Melanie's been in so many things. I just.

[Justin]

I feel like every time. I feel like anytime you turn on a movie or a TV show, it's like, oh, my God, there's Melanie Lipsky. You know, it's like she's in just everything.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, she's a great character.

[Justin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie]

I always forget she has an accent because she's so good that it's just like, oh, yeah, you're not from here, are you?

[Justin]

That's what I said to her.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. No, it's wild. I hope they do watch Temptation Island.

[Natalie]

I'm, like, so sad. I think we. I only have, like, two episodes left.

[Nick Viall]

How would you feel? I know you've been in love for a while, and, you know, but let's say you had some random hookup sex, and then. And then he called you cute afterwards.

[Justin]

No, adorable.

[Nick Viall]

Adorable.

[Natalie]

Yeah. No, There's a lot of things that I must have done, and if adorable, is it like a pat on the head, like, good job, baby.

[Justin]

I don't ever want to hear the word adorable and me associated in the same sentence.

[Gina]

Who said this?

[Justin]

Grant. Whenever he wrote his letter to Natalie, he was like, you're so cute and adorable. And it was like, we were just fucking in the shower, like, last night, and now I'm adorable.

[Gina]

Well, because Tyler also said dear, and I think about that pretty often. I'm like, what is the language where you using here?

[Justin]

He.

[Natalie]

Well, times have changed.

[Justin]

No. Well, he also, in his letter to Natalie, said, I yearn for you.

[Nick Viall]

And so, yeah, Grant wrote that. I guarantee you he wrote that. And go, this is good. This is real good.

[Natalie]

Oh, I cringed a little. Nice year.

[Nick Viall]

He's like, what's a big word I could use?

[Gina]

They like Pride and Prejudice. He's like, I am Jane Austen.

[Natalie]

I am Mr. Darcy. Dear.

[Nick Viall]

Like, Grant is a perfect example of. Of tall. Prejudice privilege. Because the confidence that man has truly. And I'm. I'm just not sure where else he's getting that confidence other than the fact that he seems to be like, 6, 3, 6, 4, you know, he's attractive, too. You think I'm. I don't.

[Gina]

They're all attractive, this cast.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think Grant is like.

[Gina]

I think he's conventionally attractive. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Justin]

He seems like the type of guy that can go out and get what he wants.

[Gina]

Yeah, exactly.

[Nick Viall]

He. He acts as if he's never been told. No, I. He lacks. I don't think him. And they look like they haven't had no role models who him and who. Most of the guys.

[Justin]

Okay, well, because they're all just operating with such, like, low character traits. It's like, how have you never had someone be like, hey, that's actually not how you treat someone that you would say that you love.

[Natalie]

It was like the Brion explaining his, like, cheating being like, well, this is what's happening here. But, like, it's not real. And it's like, bro, know you guys are going to leave together. And what you did here not only exists in real life, but it is filmed to replay to show how little you fucking cared. So it's just like the idea that you think that these are two separate ideas of, like, oh, I can hook up in Fantasy Island.

[Justin]

I do wonder if there's, like, a part of them that maybe they talked about before where it was like, hey, if I can get it to happen, where I can have a three threesome. Like, no way.

[Nick Viall]

You would think so. But her reaction to finding out, I.

[Justin]

Think it obviously would be hard for anyone to watch, but I feel like the way that he was just talking about it so openly and he's like, listen, no. Like, I don't need to go in that tent. Like, I'm here to show everything. I don't need to hide anything. Like, I'm here to be open and honest. It seemed very much like, I know she's gonna forgive me. I don't regret that. This is what I can't, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's. No, but that's what I find so sad about that situation. I think there's a lot of relationships in. Out there where you. One person just knows they just have to, like, wear that other person out, you know, like. Like Shantae, like, we, you know, they. They did the video and then they had the fireside chat and like, she, like, steps away and it's like, you. They both know they're gonna, like, I think they're gonna end up together. I don't. I think Shantae and Brion leave together as a couple because the. The energy they give is this. It's like he just. It's like he knows he's in the doghouse now, but he's not. He doesn't give a fuck. He's not worried at all about her, like, saying, I'm done with you. It's like he knows, it's like he's just not worried. And even her, she acts like she's hurt, she's upset, she can't believe he did this. But there's really no, like, I'm done with this. It's more like she steps away to figure out how do I, how can I process this and get through it. And it's like you, you can tell there's like this unspoken understanding between them, which is what I think you're kind of referring to. But I don't think it's like, like a pact or an actual understanding. It's like this unspoken thing where he just knows that he has all the power and control in this relationship. And so when he decides to have a threesome because he's never had one yet and this is the perfect opportunity to do it, he just doesn't give a. Yeah. And then Grant, I feel like that's the difference in Grant and Ashley is that she at least is kind of like this guy, you know, like she, she kind of came into temptation out and being like right away, being like he's too cocky, he's kind of a piece of shit, whatever. Maybe he's followed through. But his ability to just be like, I love you and I'm. I still like, it's like now that he's had sex, he's like ready to love her again. But like he did her a favor.

[Justin]

But because she didn't send a video back, he's ready to invest in Natalie. But if she would have sent a video back then like he probably still would have left with Ashley but would have hooked up with Natalie a few more times before they left.

[Nick Viall]

I mean like the Grant and, and Brianne have they. It is all about them. It is everything about their relationship is about how they feel about anything. And that's really all that matters, you know, like they, you know.

[Justin]

Well. And that's what Amaya said whenever she was like, I'm declining your date because you like the way you're operating is I'm like not down for that. And I give her so much props for being able to be like, I know this is like technically my role here, but I'm not down with the way that you're treating her.

[Natalie]

Yeah, like I wish that Shantae kind of especially seeing like another say that to your long term partner. That's where it be like if she can't even do it in a week, what am I doing right?

[Nick Viall]

You know, I think the only positive thing Brion thinks about women is that.

[Natalie]

They'Re useful for threesomes till the birds come.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I don't like, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, say things like, oh, he hates women, or. Or she hates men or whatever. And I think sometimes it's a little generalized because, like, maybe they're. Someone's fighting with a partner, and, you know, they act mean, but he. He really just. The way he's treating the whole. All the temptresses and his, you know, it's just. That's very objectification. It's very like the way he had.

[Justin]

That threesome and then, like, got in the bed, didn't say anything to him.

[Natalie]

Like, let him leave.

[Nick Viall]

One of them kicked one out. Courtney, she had a threesome and she got booted early.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, okay. Drop the show.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It's like. And he goes, yeah, she's cool, but, you know, I'm good.

[Justin]

And then whenever Amaya, before she declined the day is like, sitting on the bed with him and they're having that conversation. She's like, you know what?

[Nick Viall]

Like.

[Justin]

Like, I don't feel comfortable having this. And she, like, gets up and he's like, people are so fucking weird, man. It's like, huh? And she can still hear you. Yeah. And she like, what?

[Nick Viall]

When we're watching Shantae, she just looks like, this is a good person. This is a cool person. Like, she's grounded. But he is on Mars.

[Natalie]

No. Even after the threesome, he does his interview and he's like, well, maybe we'll see if we can get Amaya and one of the other girls in bed next.

[Justin]

And it was an angel.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And it was just like, you have no remorse. You do not feel bad. And then he sits there being like, okay, well, now that it's time for me to probably get back with my girlfriend, you know, like, I just know I want to be the man that she expects me to be.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, I can't help but be kind of happy for Tyler and K. They're kind of adorable. You're not. I think Taylor. I think Taylor has the potential of sometimes being a little Karen ish.

[Justin]

I didn't love the. Like, he has bitch tendencies. And, like, I'll say that to his face. Like, I don't. I'll say that till the day I die. Or, like, whatever. Her little.

[Nick Viall]

You know what? And, like, watching Taylor, it reminded me just, like, how many. I think. I think how many ladies out there are looking for useful idiots. And I think if you. If you're a lady out there dating a man, if you treat your guy or think of him as kind of a useful idiot, he's going to eventually hate you. That's a recipe for resentment. And I think there's a difference between, like, giving your partner shit and fucking with each other. But when you start, like, rolling your eyes and like, everything that comes out of their mouth is either stupid or dumb or. Why do you say that? And they're just like, essentially useful idiots.

[Justin]

Everything they do annoys you.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And I think that, like sitcoms, it's always like, smart mom, useful idiot husband, you know, And I think a lot of our, you know, quant honesty sitcoms we grew up on were kind of gave that vibe. And I think that's. That there's a lot of relationships out there where, like, the man in the relationship is thought of as kind of a useful idiot. And that is like a number one way. I promise you ladies that your husband's going to hate you if he doesn't already. It's kind of the same way if, like, the other way around. If you treat. Treat your, you know, for the men, if you treat your spouse just like, just like a constant, you know, nag or whatever. Resentment is probably the number one thing that leads to an end of a relationship. And just like, yeah, like, Taylor just seems to. Tyler obviously has his flaws. And, like, I do think he's very inexperienced. He comes across as someone who really blossomed in his 20s.

[Justin]

Like, well, he said he had only had one relationship prior to Taylor. Right.

[Nick Viall]

He got married. He got married, like, as a teenager and then like, met Taylor to basically get out of that marriage. And so, like, here's a guy who's kind of really hasn't lived some real life, so I kind of cut him a little slack. I think Tyler is a good soul, you know, not perfect and definitely maybe does or says things he shouldn't say, but he seems like a good one.

[Justin]

It is hard, though, to watch these couples, like, crack in just days. It's like, yeah, come on.

[Natalie]

I will give K credit, though, that I was like the whole, I'm just gonna make him take me to his room so then he can start envisioning me in his room and something. And I was like, that is psychology 101.

[Justin]

You did the studies. Yeah.

[Natalie]

And it proved to work. Well, something that excited me yesterday, I really had a craving for Taco Bell, so I ordered it last night. And I don't know if you are following Taylor, Frankie, Paul, she posted a while back on TikTok that she goes to Taco Bell, gets a Baja Blast, and then brings it home and makes it dirty by adding coffee creamer to it. Well, Gina, oh, it's so good. And they do it with the frozen slushy version of it. I had it last night. Mind blown. But she has a collaboration with Taco Bell, so it is like for her. And they gave her an award for that. She has the menu hack of the year and she received that over the weekend. And let me tell you, it was game changing for me. I love the Baja Blast.

[Justin]

How do I get a collaboration with Chick Fil A?

[Nick Viall]

You kind of have to start posting your obsession with Chick Fil A or.

[Natalie]

Like, do your own. Like, what do you add to yours? What do you take off? Like, what's the sauce? What's the recipe? And then maybe get your own sandwich. Like get Natalie's way.

[Justin]

Right.

[Gina]

DM the brand.

[Nick Viall]

But they're kind of problematic.

[Gina]

Yeah. 100.

[Justin]

Well, yes, definitely.

[Nick Viall]

Yep.

[Justin]

Yes, definitely.

[Nick Viall]

Point it out.

[Justin]

No, they are.

[Nick Viall]

I also, I think they're overrated chicken sandwiches, by the way. But that's just.

[Natalie]

I'm also convinced that Taco Bell is owned by stoners. Because I'm like, everything that comes on their menu just makes me think that it's like somebody just sat there and was like, what if we made a taco out of Doritos? Like, it's just such high food.

[Gina]

They'll put cheese on cheese. I don't eat Taco Bell. But I see those photos and I'm.

[Natalie]

Like, like, you know what? We're doing a Mexican pizza, but then we'll do a crunch wrap. And what if we put the tortilla around the Mexican pizza? Crunchwrap Supreme. Sorry. Food for stoners. By stoners.

[Nick Viall]

That's true.

[Natalie]

Tell me, tell me I'm wrong.

[Nick Viall]

And I don't even like Taco Bell that much, so I don't have a problem. Up next, we have a very hilarious comedian. Ari Shafir is with us. He's got a new Netflix special out called America's Sweetheart. If you like some dark comedy and giggle about things that feel a little naughty, you are in for a treat. Cuz that is what's up next.

[Justin]

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[Justin]

It's actually really long. Your one sheet.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, yeah. It got me thinking.

[Justin]

Yes. Wow.

[Jason Ritter]

I don't know.

[Justin]

You're so talented. You've done so much in your life. How old are you? 100.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. The question is, what are you passing passionate about it like.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I gotta say, thank you, by the way. Like, you really.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Took the time.

[Ari Shafir]

Good question.

[Nick Viall]

It wasn't meant to be homework.

[Ari Shafir]

It got me thinking on the plane.

[Justin]

And I was like, oh, what am I passionate about?

[Nick Viall]

Do I give a.

[Ari Shafir]

About life? Yeah. It's like, should I pull the rip cord in this plane? Just get out of here.

[Justin]

All right, ready? Okay.

[Nick Viall]

I feel. I kind of feel like we already started. That was funny.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. What's one thing people don't think you guys are passionate about? About that you are. I'll start. Hi, guys. Welcome to the Vile Files.

[Justin]

What is one thing that you're passionate about that people don't think that you are?

[Ari Shafir]

Not at all. I'm just asking you.

[Justin]

Mine is people not walking on a sidewalk when there's a sidewalk to walk on.

[Ari Shafir]

It's frustrating the bikers, especially when they have their own dedicated bike lane.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I got one for you.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And it's specifically against comedians. Not you specifically.

[Ari Shafir]

I love it.

[Justin]

Perfect.

[Ari Shafir]

Nobody hates comics more than comics. So. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm. I'm definitely more like. I kind of like that. I feel. Feel like culturally, not to trigger anyone. I feel like we're allowed to be a little more funny these days. You know, you have some. Some dark humor, some raunchy humor, almost all. Yeah, I quite enjoy it. But like, listen, you know, comedy, it's an art form, you know?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And as I've been told by comics, but every once in a while, such a Lead up. Every once in a while, there might be people online or. Or people in podcasts, like, maybe critiquing a comment or just being like, I didn't find that funny. And then some comics would be like, you know I'm a comic, right?

[Ari Shafir]

Babies. They're such. And I'm so.

[Nick Viall]

I don't give a. Yeah, I know you're comic. And I guess I didn't. I first of all, didn't know that was a joke. Sorry. And I guess I didn't know everything you say falls under the category of I'm fucking joking. And they take themselves real. Too serious.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, they're such babies.

[Nick Viall]

I'll tell you.

[Ari Shafir]

Like, it's okay.

[Nick Viall]

I'll tell you. I'm talking about after we get done recording.

[Ari Shafir]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Ye.

[Ari Shafir]

Okay. That's the drama.

[Justin]

That's my favorite person ever.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, we already.

[Nick Viall]

We already triggered them. We're dating.

[Ari Shafir]

You know where comics fucked up is that they said, like, we're just joking. We're joking. And then they got super serious and political, and then the audience like, well, how do I know when you are joking?

[Nick Viall]

Literally?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then it's always like. And if they ever get it, like, criticism, it's. But I'm a comic.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, okay.

[Ari Shafir]

I prefer it. Like, in a live show, somebody leaves anger. Like, you suck, and they leave. You just kind of watch them go. I mean, they're not wrong anyway. It's like, I mean, your. Your opinion's fine. Fine.

[Nick Viall]

You're right. In. In. In the way that some celebrities hold on to their humanity.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And how most lose it.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like. And give an example. Chapel Roan telling fans that they need to leave her alone at the supermarket versus Taylor Swift breaking up with her boyfriend because dumb fans got worked up over a joke.

[Ari Shafir]

You remember that?

[Nick Viall]

About someone else's fake stage name?

[Justin]

I don't remember the Taylor Swift one.

[Ari Shafir]

Taylor Swift was dating the guy from 1979.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Ari Shafir]

And he made it joke on a podcast that's not around anymore. Mullen and Stavros's podcast about Ice Spice. And he was like, oh, is she like an Eskimo rapper? But she's not. She's. He just called herself Ice Spice.

[Justin]

She broke up.

[Ari Shafir]

The Internet was like, that's. I guess, racially insensitive. But he's like, she's not. She's not that. Like, I don't know, whatever. And then they went out. And then Taylor Swift's like, yeah, I'm all a product.

[Justin]

So you're out.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. You're Out. Out. I'll just date Travis. A different product. Yeah. To get bigger. Yeah. And it's like. Yeah. Immediately after.

[Justin]

So you love Chapel Roan being like, I'm not.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Like, leave me alone. I'm working. You get me when I'm on stage and you get my music. And then like, I'm a human. Like. Because she just got famous. So she's like. Hasn't been removed from her humanity.

[Nick Viall]

She went to zero to a million. She got so.

[Ari Shafir]

Like that.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

So she's still living in her head in that, like, I'm just a normal person world.

[Justin]

Who wasn't recently. Was it like Scarlett Johansson? I think maybe that's wrong. But was like, I only take photos with fans in professional settings. Like, I will not take a photo with a fan if I'm just, like getting a coffee.

[Ari Shafir]

That's pretty good.

[Justin]

Because I don't want people to know, like, where I am in the. Like. It was like, you don't deserve.

[Nick Viall]

I get it.

[Natalie]

Like, Billie Eilish still lives at home with her parents in the house she grew up in.

[Ari Shafir]

Dork. Move out and get an apartment at least you can afford a one bedroom. If I can. You can. Yeah. Get some cabinet space, lady.

[Justin]

Why don't. Why aren't you watching reality tv? I feel like it would be really good.

[Nick Viall]

Like, because I'll get hooked material.

[Ari Shafir]

It's the same reason I'll do, like, fantasy football all my time. I watched one season of Survivor and I was like, I couldn't turn it off. It was so. It's so hard. It's fine. I do like it. It's trash. But, like, it's fun trash. Like, it's like fast and furious at this point.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, are you America's sweetheart?

[Ari Shafir]

I am. I'm the. I'm the nicest guy in America. Ye.

[Nick Viall]

How did you come up with that title for your special?

[Ari Shafir]

Because everybody hates me. So. But I'm trying to get people to stay positive.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think everyone hates you?

[Ari Shafir]

No, but I try to go dark.

[Nick Viall]

So you do go dark.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Well, sometimes people like, what a terrible person.

[Nick Viall]

Did you get much heat for that Covid joke?

[Ari Shafir]

Which Covid one?

[Nick Viall]

Which one you talked about? Everything has a silver lining.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like Covid.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And you're like, some people died, but some of them are.

[Ari Shafir]

Some of them are complete. Yeah. Some of them are shitty people. You know, people. You know, you wish death on some people 10 years ago and then they died in a new way. They weren't aware of. So it's like, great.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't imagine it that way, but I'll take it.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Remember going outside during COVID and just like walking in the middle of Ventura and like, no one's gonna come hit you.

[Justin]

Ghost town.

[Ari Shafir]

It was eerie. It was like that in New York too. And you like to take the best pictures.

[Nick Viall]

You literally stay in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Yeah. You don't take cars out. There's just no one there. It's pretty nice.

[Natalie]

Are you a part time influencer?

[Ari Shafir]

No.

[Natalie]

No. I was wondering why you're doing photo shoots in the middle of the street.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, yeah. Just because you could, I guess.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

It was like, this is a co. Part time influencer. Is that a thing? Part time influences. I love it.

[Justin]

Have you done any jokes about being a son of a Holocaust survivor? Or is that like.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

How does Mother. Father.

[Ari Shafir]

Dad.

[Justin]

Dad.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Grew up in Romania, thank God. The pretty far East.

[Justin]

Does he find them funny or.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, he understands, like, the. There's two ways to go about, like, dark jokes. Taking them, it's either like, this is awful, or like, oh, they know it's awful. That's why it's funny. Taking light is something, right? If you make fun of, like, dropping your slice of pizza, it's just not that funny because it's not that bad. But if you make fun of like, the Holocaust, then it's like, it's like, oh, making light of that is like. It's such a, you know, so different than how you should react. So he gets it. He's like, you're actually showing how terrible.

[Justin]

He's not at home, like, crying because the son doesn't understand what he's been through.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. The people who get upset at comedy jokes is really. It's just because it's a new art form. So, like, people don't quite know how to take it. And they're like, it's you speaking about your own feelings with your own name versus, like a naked lady. Painting is like, we know by now that's not an actual naked lady. But then even like, I don't know. When photography got big, people were like, this is smut. Remember that? And it was like, no, it's not. It's just like a black and white photo of it of a naked dude with a nice dong. But, like, no one's actually coming for the dong. It's for like the, you know, the. The lighting and stuff.

[Justin]

Sepia.

[Nick Viall]

Beautiful.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Sepia dong.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Sepia dong should be a name. Someone's podcast.

[Nick Viall]

Are you currently watching Sex in the City or the new one?

[Ari Shafir]

The old one.

[Justin]

Oh, thank God.

[Ari Shafir]

And I am loving it.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Ari Shafir]

Have I assume you guys have seen it?

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

It's the worst written show possibly of all time. The. I can. I can forgive him for writing men terribly because it's not about the men on purpose. It's about these women and their friendships.

[Justin]

But which one are you?

[Ari Shafir]

I will tell you. I used to hate the redhead. And then I realized, finally, after seeing.

[Nick Viall]

The new one, I'm a Miranda.

[Ari Shafir]

You're a Miranda? Yeah. Yeah. Starting to like her.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. No, she's the only one who makes any sense.

[Ari Shafir]

She's the red. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And why does she make sense?

[Nick Viall]

Because she's not a hypocrite. She's not like. She's not there. Like Carrie.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

The worst friend. Worst friend in the world.

[Ari Shafir]

The worst friend anytime. Somebody's like, oh, my God, I'm having a terrible time. And she's just leafing. She's like, I know, right? Somebody stood you up. Just leafing through, like, letters. Anyway, so I'm out of cigarettes. Can you believe it? And he was like, no, this is your friend's moment.

[Nick Viall]

No. And she will bulldoze through anyone in the name of getting her way with Big.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, my God. And it's like, he's a bad guy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Were you team Aiden or team Big?

[Ari Shafir]

I mean, I think they both should have just murdered her. Also, the guy was like, you're just constantly starting fights with me. I see it from big side, but also, like, he's not the guy for you.

[Nick Viall]

The first time she broke up with him, they were going on vacation, and she. They're on the sidewalk and. And she, like, wants a. I think, was it. She wanted a commitment or something. And like, two weeks of dating. Two.

[Ari Shafir]

Way too early.

[Nick Viall]

He's taking her on a trip and because he's. And then she's like, well, no, then I'm just not going. And it's like.

[Ari Shafir]

And he's just like, what, lady? I mean, her blowjobs must have been so epic for him to put up with that. And every time he comes over, he's like, we're late. Let's go. And she's like, I'm getting ready. I can't pick out which shoes I want. And then he lights up a cigar, which is like an hour and a half smoke. And I'm like, you're already late. This is a crazy. This doesn't make any sense.

[Justin]

You definitely don't have Time for that.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Like, what are you doing? She just shows up to where his parents are, like, this is out of line, lady. You can't be doing this.

[Justin]

Did you watch the new one or. No?

[Nick Viall]

It was pretty brutal. Once Big died, I was Big did right away, immediately.

[Justin]

The first episode is the Peloton death scene. That's like.

[Nick Viall]

No, we're. I mean, they really completed her. Like, her being terrible in general because she just watched him die and didn't even. She's like, oh, you're still. Oh, okay.

[Justin]

That did rock me. I was, like, crying, I think, for the rest of the day, being like, you can't ever eat on a Peloton.

[Melanie Lynskey]

Please.

[Justin]

Your next day.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I am older than her, so it was immediately, like, you know, trauma from, like, dating an older man.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure you've been there. You must be like, yeah, okay. This could happen.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Someday.

[Justin]

And did you know that a new study just came out that apparently I'm.

[Nick Viall]

Six times more likely to have heart attack?

[Justin]

Marijuana smokers are six times more likely to have a heart attack.

[Ari Shafir]

What? But we're chill.

[Justin]

Not chill enough, clearly.

[Jason Ritter]

What?

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, because we run out of weed, we get real upset.

[Justin]

You get. Yeah. And you get, like, bad anxiety and you get, like, itchy.

[Ari Shafir]

Six times more likely. But I said that's hard to believe.

[Justin]

More than what the average person.

[Nick Viall]

What is the average? Because I said, zero. Six is still zero.

[Ari Shafir]

Damn, that's good math.

[Justin]

But it is, at the end of the day, just math and doesn't make any sense in the story. Who's the zero?

[Gina]

Six times more likely than someone who doesn't. Isn't already predisposed to cardiovascular events.

[Nick Viall]

Still don't know what that means.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. What's cardiovascular? Is that even worse because you smoke so much meat?

[Justin]

It's up the brain cells.

[Nick Viall]

My grandfather and dad had had heart attacks, so, yeah.

[Gina]

So technically, it's double.

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Ari Shafir]

My father was a Holocaust survivor and almost none of them smoke weed and they didn't live long, so really, you live longer. Get there, get there.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Oh, my God. He wrote what we asked.

[Ari Shafir]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. There's more on Sex of the City.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, okay.

[Ari Shafir]

She's a sex columnist in. Not the 1930s, in the 90s to 2000 2000s. And she's like a threesome. Could I. What? In New York fucking City? She's the most prudish person in the goddamn world.

[Natalie]

She also has a very small column and a very nice apartment. Control department. A brownstone at that.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

She's on a bus.

[Ari Shafir]

She's on a bus.

[Justin]

She's on a bus.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. She's popular and she's so. And she's the only one who won't show her boobs. The whole show, that's separate. That's an actor thing. Not. Not the character.

[Justin]

And that's a personal gripe you have.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

Mean. Samantha is.

[Nick Viall]

I.

[Justin]

Some could say too nude.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. No. No one would. No. None could say that.

[Nick Viall]

There's no bad naked for you. You didn't watch that Sign up.

[Ari Shafir]

I mean, listen. Girls had some bad nudity, but the show girls. The show girls. Yeah. I was like, all right, Lena, chill. We get it. Not every episode. You can do it once in a while. You're brave. Not every episode. Tell me. Told her she was brave after the first season. She's like, I'm gonna brave every eight minutes. Like, no one's this naked. I'm not that around my own apartment. No one's there. Put a robe on. Do something. Who cooks eggs with our out. Sorry, I'm getting too dirty for this podcast. I apologize. I'm a bad person, you guys.

[Justin]

That's crazy. Do you refer to a pussy as a pussy?

[Ari Shafir]

Almost never.

[Justin]

Like, if you're talking to, like, a girlfriend, when is.

[Nick Viall]

The few times that you just.

[Ari Shafir]

Right here, it's come out of my mouth way more. I usually call it a vagina with a B. Yeah.

[Justin]

Why the Beat it?

[Ari Shafir]

More stupid.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Do you want me to go down on your vagina?

[Ari Shafir]

Vagina?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I. I feel like most of the time the answer is no. Don't you think?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Once you say vagina, they're like, grow up.

[Justin]

But I'm like, oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

You're, like, deliberately trying to give him the ick so you don't have to.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. You're a Red Wings fan? Is that what that is?

[Justin]

Who's Red Wings Hockey team?

[Ari Shafir]

Uhhuh. What's that on your neck?

[Justin]

Oh, it's because I lost my child, so I got a wing for it for my baby that I lost.

[Ari Shafir]

Really? Sorry.

[Justin]

Yeah. You wanna. You wanna dive in?

[Nick Viall]

I got an.

[Ari Shafir]

Really?

[Justin]

You wanna unpack or.

[Nick Viall]

Nope.

[Ari Shafir]

Sorry.

[Justin]

Nope.

[Nick Viall]

Please. Anyway, that made everything else feel, like, a little less violating.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Gets too real. I'm like, I've lost.

[Justin]

All right, I'm out. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It was funny to see you get a little awkward there.

[Justin]

Are there moments when you're on stage and you can you see your audience or are you those. It's like, turn the lights right? I don't want to see.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. First couple rows you can see and then it just disappears.

[Justin]

Do you look for their facial work.

[Nick Viall]

Or is that necessary in your line of profession when you're dark?

[Ari Shafir]

Nah, you can do it if you want, but it's like everyone's trying to do it now. It's kind of like hacky. I try to go the other way.

[Justin]

So you don't want to see their facial expressions.

[Ari Shafir]

I'll see it and I want to see if they're having.

[Nick Viall]

But he's just not.

[Ari Shafir]

You're.

[Nick Viall]

He's not. Yeah. Well, something like. Yeah, to Ari's point, like, it's like a bit now. It's like a thing that there. It's part of their act to do some crowd work.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Everyone's like. It used to just be like, when you got to it, it happened, it happened. You know, somebody dropped a tray of drinks, you're like, let's make fun of it. Or if somebody shows up in something like, weird. But yeah, I can see them. It's nice when they're having a good time, but sometimes you see like. And then you just like, keep going. Yeah. I gave it up for some lady at the Comedy Store once. What?

[Melanie Lynskey]

Oh.

[Natalie]

I said, anytime I go to a comedy show, I try to sit in the back.

[Justin]

I don't want to.

[Natalie]

I don't want to be subject of your comedy. I just want to enjoy.

[Ari Shafir]

I saw some lady at the Comedy Store like this the whole time. Some 55, 60 year old lady. She was like, like snarling face and just like. But she was quiet the whole time. Kept looking at her, her husband or boyfriend, whatever was. Was into it. And I kept. I kept doing it, didn't mention. And then I was like, all right, I'm done. And then I was like, before I go, though, hey, lady, I just want to give some props here. Like, you hated me, right? She goes, yeah. And I'm like, okay, fair. But you kept your mouth shut the whole time. You didn't disrupt the show. And it's okay to like have your tastes and likes and dislikes, but you handle it so well. Guys, let's give her a round of applause for handling it well with her distaste. And then she's like, but that's all we want. Let us all enjoy.

[Nick Viall]

I appreciate. I love how you didn't feel the need to remind her that it's an art and you're a comedian and you.

[Ari Shafir]

It's okay to not like. Yeah, yeah, like what you're saying. I'm not going to be a baby about it. It's all right. I get it. It's not for everybody.

[Justin]

At one point, did you realize you were funny? Like, enough to do it in front of people?

[Ari Shafir]

I. I don't know.

[Justin]

Fourth grade, never or.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, always getting thrown out of class.

[Justin]

Oh, you were one of those that was like, he's talking too much.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, I was. I was, like, annoying.

[Justin]

Did you ever have to take tests, like, outside? Like, I was. My teacher would have to put, like, desks outside of the door. So you'd have to, like, take a test out there so that you didn't, like, disrupt.

[Ari Shafir]

You guys Jewish? Are they Jewish?

[Nick Viall]

Nine percent.

[Ari Shafir]

Nine percent Jewish. Well, if you were over 50%, what you do is you just pay a doctor to say your child is learning disabled, and then you could take untimed tests at home and get better grades and SATs. So did she? Yep. Do whatever you want to get ahead.

[Nick Viall]

I got extra time. For sure. I could use extra time. I'm just.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, we all could have.

[Nick Viall]

I can't fucking read.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, that would have helped them, the extra time.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Juicy. No, it's juice.

[Justin]

Oh, juicy.

[Ari Shafir]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

What is this?

[Justin]

Axing.

[Ari Shafir]

What is this word? Yeah, Juice. Got unhappy. Time test. It's great. There's white privilege, and then there's another thing that we don't like to talk about. It's Jewish privilege.

[Justin]

Is Leah. What's so funny?

[Ari Shafir]

She knows it. She got all the same privileges. What school did you go to?

[Justin]

It's called Shalhavet.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, that's it.

[Justin]

Very Jew.

[Nick Viall]

Very Jewy.

[Ari Shafir]

No, I'm talking about college.

[Justin]

Oh, usc.

[Ari Shafir]

Usc? U of sc.

[Nick Viall]

University of Southern California.

[Jason Ritter]

Southern California.

[Ari Shafir]

Is that how you're going to say usc? Oh, usc. Yeah.

[Justin]

Well, he went to yeshiva, so.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, I went to yeshiva briefly.

[Justin]

Yeshiva? Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

That's nice. Yeah. Untimed tests. It's great. What a privilege.

[Justin]

Did you feel you can say anything? I'm good.

[Ari Shafir]

Can I ask about my child?

[Justin]

I'll take it back. Yeah. Have you ever.

[Ari Shafir]

I've had some on purposes. You don't get a tattoo for the on purposes. You just give a heart a handshake and get her a cigarette to make sure.

[Justin]

Go on your way.

[Ari Shafir]

Thank God for the liberal laws in America.

[Justin]

Why are you watching animal attack videos? Do you want to talk about that?

[Nick Viall]

My algorithm got me or the ski videos?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. What's your. You ever catch your algorithm just grabs you and takes you to a place?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah. And it's sometimes it's a really strange place that you end up On.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah. I went from. There was like a dock that in like Santa Clarita that like, caved like a couple months ago. It just like washed away and some guy was on it, but it stayed intact and they had to like, rescue them. I was like, oh, weird. And then from then on, just went natural disasters. Like, it's like, oh, you must love disasters. And then it pulled that into animal, like, disasters. I was just watching puppy videos and like, what about went wrong? And I like, oh. And then it's like, okay, fine, you don't like the puppies getting killed, but how about like lying lions attacking tigers? And you're like, okay, you just click on it once and then it's all it takes. Here. Now every time I'm on a hike, I'm so fearful. I hear a squirrel. I'm like, well, it's bobcat. I'm being tailed.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's because it says here that you do drugs while you hike.

[Ari Shafir]

I do do drugs. So maybe that's accurate that she never lies. Yeah, I do do drugs.

[Justin]

Maybe it's more the drugs than the Tik Tok algorithm in your head.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, typed it in. That's the heart attacks. That's the heart attacks. Smoking weed in nature again.

[Nick Viall]

Talk smoking weed and doom scrolling.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Is it really even a drug?

[Ari Shafir]

Is it even a drug? That's a valid question.

[Nick Viall]

Well, if you're going to call weed a drug, I have no problem with that. But let's call alcohol a drug.

[Ari Shafir]

You have to call alcohol then.

[Justin]

Well, we're not the only. There's also alcoholics. That's drugs too.

[Ari Shafir]

We're deflectors.

[Justin]

Yeah, y'all are.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, because none of us go. It's not. We just go. That is too. Look at them.

[Nick Viall]

My fault. I'm a better person when I'm chilled out.

[Ari Shafir]

More attentive to your child's needs.

[Nick Viall]

Well, no, no.

[Justin]

We actually were talking earlier this episode how he leaves chewed up gum in random places, like on surfaces. And our daughter will find it, like, chew it. One time she did. One time. It was wrapped all around her hand.

[Ari Shafir]

She learned a valuable lesson that day.

[Nick Viall]

That's what I said.

[Justin]

What was that?

[Ari Shafir]

Don't smoke weed and chew gum. When she's older, she'll remember. She'll remember that lesson high. Put it down. Go. Wait, wait. Oh, core memory. I'm gna throw that away.

[Justin]

It's true.

[Ari Shafir]

She's going to thank her father. She's going to call you. Not then, but later. And be like, dad, I never knew how much you were preparing me for life. Do you ever know. Do you already know any mushroom parenters?

[Justin]

Mushroom what?

[Ari Shafir]

Parenters.

[Nick Viall]

Like they're microdosing.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Yeah, you do.

[Justin]

I do know a few of them.

[Nick Viall]

Thoughts, feelings, concerns.

[Ari Shafir]

I'm okay with it as long as you do, like, little small amounts. But also like, you can see why it's scary.

[Justin]

Why?

[Ari Shafir]

Because, like, I mean, sometimes you just gone. You're just like, I'm out. And like, you don't need your kid. Just going.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. One time Natalie and I partook watched like 11 hours of peaky Blinders while in our hot tub. And then Natalie was doing somersaults in the pool.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then passed out next it on our floor while our dog ate the steak that we left on the table that we didn't eat before kids. This is before children do PK and.

[Ari Shafir]

Post K is so different. And then you'll remember your PK lives.

[Justin]

And you're like, who was that?

[Nick Viall]

Do you have kids?

[Ari Shafir]

No. No.

[Nick Viall]

But none that you wanted.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, I got. Yeah, a couple. Couple on purposes.

[Natalie]

I just love that you said that with such conviction. Like, yeah, pre kids live before post, after post kids.

[Justin]

Oh, my God. It's. He's. He's so relatable. Like, he's just like us. Like, what was your pre kid like? Wait, I do. I do have a question. You're a golfer? You were a golfer?

[Ari Shafir]

I was a golfer.

[Justin]

You're not good anymore or you stop.

[Ari Shafir]

I was never good. Oh, I was also. I played golf at Yeshiva University. Yeah, I played golf there. I was. It was. And we just needed people to play so anyone who had a golf bag could be on the team. And I was, I believe, the worst athlete in NCAA sports that year.

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Ari Shafir]

You play golf. Damn.

[Justin]

My dad was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world one year.

[Ari Shafir]

Okay. I shot a 143 in competition.

[Nick Viall]

I know enough about golf to know that's not good.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Yeah. You want to be around a 70, just below 70. The other team was laughing. My own coach was laughing, laughing at me. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You just kept you. But you played through the team.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, I played through it. Yeah. I mean, they had to keep supplying the ball.

[Nick Viall]

I don't have the patience for golf. It's after like nine holes, I'm like this. I'm. I'm also a little too competitive because I'm not like, I'm good enough to. Never been taught golf that I can like hit it at 7 ir straight great. Like, that's all you know, so I can. I can keep up with like the average golfer, but like, when my golfing buddies get cereal gets.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm just like, I don't got guys. I don't give a.

[Natalie]

You're also not a big drinker, which I feel like that just like goes hand in hand with golfing for 15 hours.

[Ari Shafir]

It made golfing better when I stopped caring about the rules and had a couple nips or just like got high and then be like, hey, I'm not. I'm not feeling this hole. I'll just. I'm just gonna go with you guys. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I can't even see the hole from here.

[Ari Shafir]

My score doesn't matter.

[Nick Viall]

Just.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, let's just.

[Natalie]

We're just having fun, right?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, we're just having fun. I'm gonna go a little hike in the woods and meet you guys.

[Natalie]

Yeah. My friend's husband's really big golfer and it's like they do like, betting and all that stuff. And so like, anytime my boyfriend goes with him, I'm like, you're not. Not betting. You're going to lose.

[Ari Shafir]

You're going to lose.

[Natalie]

They're. They're just literally stealing money from you at this point.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How did you end up getting a job at the Arlington Cemetery?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, I used to.

[Justin]

You have a fixation with dead people?

[Ari Shafir]

I do now. I used to lay pipe yourself at the cemetery. Yeah. I don't know. Somebody I knew who knew somebody was hiring. I was 16. My first job.

[Nick Viall]

That was your first job?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, first time. I like. What does one do you lay pipe you? I was a horticulturalist. You just gotta like. What? I watered the. The flowers around the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I put out the eternal flame once.

[Nick Viall]

I forgot about that.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. That might be treasonous.

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Yeah. Generally had to pick up pipes like. Like it would go like hand male to female and lay them down on these long fields and then like let them go in the sprinklers. And then when they were done, like you did, put him back in the truck and then take them to the next field and lay them out. But sometimes if you were good, you got like wand duty and it was just a hose with a magic wand at the end. It went up and then kind of down. So it's like that. So then you just want walk like, you know, watering the. All the beautiful flowers outside. I went to National Cemetery is gorgeous. And then I didn't screw it on tight enough. And then the ho. The magic wand came off. Just popped off and this like shoot of water just went straight up into the eternal flame. Like what you did, it went out. I mean, I was like, I'm gonna get hung. There's all these like tourists there and they're kind of looking up. I can see them looking up what the word eternal means. Cuz they're like, what is. Maybe I got it wrong. And then there's a. Yeah, I was like, I'm.

[Justin]

Did you like call your boss and be like, hey, there's this.

[Ari Shafir]

There's a. I think there's a, like a. A little like, you know, pilot light. And it went back on, but for like two minutes. I was like, is really bad. Yeah. That the marines are there, like walking right nearby tomb of the UN Soldier and.

[Justin]

Oh my God.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. But it was fun. We used to take naps in the open graves because it was cool in there. No one was in there yet, so it wasn't really. Wasn't really like rude to anybody. It was not a soldier yet.

[Justin]

So do you want to.

[Nick Viall]

You were breaking it in.

[Ari Shafir]

Breaking it in. Exactly. Making sure it's comfortable for these heroes.

[Justin]

Would you say that you would like to be baked, buried or cremated?

[Ari Shafir]

Okay, good question for all of us, by the way. I say. I say cremated and then given to certain parts to different people who might want different groups of my friends.

[Nick Viall]

Would you feed it to your dog?

[Ari Shafir]

I had never thought of it before.

[Nick Viall]

Either have I, until beginning of this episode when I found out Leia, who just had a child.

[Justin]

Well, no, did not feed ashes to my dog.

[Nick Viall]

But apparently it's a family tradition in her husband's family that when their child's umbilical cord falls off. I don't know if you know this as a parent. You know, you have a baby and he ties it up and then like a week later it dries up like a raisin and pops off. And like a lot of parents that are normal, like just keep it or do something with it. And Leia feeds it to her dog.

[Ari Shafir]

Really? Did your dog go for it?

[Justin]

She's such a good boy today.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, she like a treat, Like a special treat.

[Ari Shafir]

Was it. I mean, you can't do that.

[Justin]

She only has one child, but.

[Ari Shafir]

Wow. What kind? I mean, I take back the question I was gonna ask.

[Justin]

What kind of dog?

[Ari Shafir]

What does it matter? That doesn't have any. If this is a court case, you'd be like, irrelevant.

[Nick Viall]

Yep.

[Ari Shafir]

Your honor, irrelevant to the thing. It could be a Pomeranian or German shepherd.

[Nick Viall]

None of that matters.

[Justin]

All of it is gonna eat that.

[Ari Shafir]

And was it into it.

[Justin]

She ate it. You know, she probably didn't even taste it. It was just like. Yeah, it was very crunchy cuz it dried up.

[Ari Shafir]

Can I just say boo on this?

[Nick Viall]

Do you regret it now that we made you feel bad for it?

[Justin]

A little bit, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Justin]

I. I should have kept it. That was a keepsake for sure.

[Ari Shafir]

What about the placenta thing where the men eat the placenta?

[Nick Viall]

I was offered it.

[Ari Shafir]

You were?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Immediately turned it down. I'm definitely not one of those dads who's like, trying to enjoy the whole experience. Just let me know when my kid's here.

[Justin]

It's really good for you.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, right. You don't want to see that.

[Nick Viall]

I'm front and center. I'm. I'm. I holding her hand front center.

[Justin]

You were not front, center.

[Ari Shafir]

You didn't, you didn't see it.

[Nick Viall]

No, no, I was, I was.

[Justin]

You were the complete opposite of front and center.

[Nick Viall]

The doctor is like, hey, do you want to help deliver the baby? I was like, you got this. You went to school. I'm good.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? Look at it.

[Natalie]

He was behind Natalie, holding her hand over. You got this, babe. You're doing great.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I was like, I don't. For what reason?

[Ari Shafir]

For what reason? To see it that way.

[Justin]

He also refused to try my breast pump out before me, which I felt.

[Ari Shafir]

Like, pump your own. To pump his breast.

[Justin]

I was nervous to use it. I was like, what if it hurts? You know, I was a little scared. I'd never used a breath chest pump before.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Justin]

So I was like, listen, could you test it out and just let me know if it's painful? And he refused.

[Ari Shafir]

Agreed. Why. Why would. You're gonna have to do it. You'll never have to do it.

[Justin]

But don't you feel like, as in a relationship, you should just go through things together when you must.

[Ari Shafir]

If you're on vacation and it's raining, it's raining for both of you. But if. If you're off, I don't know, golfing with friends and it's raining, you don't call her and say, I need you to step outside. I need you to also get wet needlessly.

[Justin]

So you. You like, you don't want to feel the contractions.

[Ari Shafir]

You don't want to feel about. I get punched in the face. Cuz like, they get a nurse just punch me every once in a while in the, in the dick so I can feel what it's like. No, I'm sorry you're going through this, but you know Just. Just. I just walk around the block in whatever clothes you're on. That'll ruin your iPhone. So we connect somehow. This is a Carrie kind of test.

[Justin]

You.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, Carrie would absolutely make big. Try all the shit he didn't.

[Ari Shafir]

What a lunatic. And then she walks by his wedding. Oh, is this where your wedding was that time? I just was walking in New York. I just happened to go by, Ugh, this lady.

[Justin]

So you wouldn't want to be front and center.

[Nick Viall]

You.

[Ari Shafir]

You're not interested being a part of an ingrown toenail. Take it out. And they. They. He's like, you want to watch? I'm like, nope. No need to see this. I'm just looking around the room every other way. Yeah, you're trained. That. You're. You got it. He's trained.

[Jason Ritter]

I.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I was like, I'll get you back later, and I have.

[Ari Shafir]

In what way?

[Justin]

How have you gotten her back?

[Nick Viall]

I've done things for you in our child.

[Justin]

Oh, for me? I thought you were talking about for our doctor.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, our doctor. No, I paid her.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Justin]

That was a hefty hospital bill, for sure.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. She asked me if I wanted to help. I was like, do I get a discount for that? You know, like, yeah, if I don't.

[Ari Shafir]

Have enough money for the check, I have to wash dishes.

[Nick Viall]

Do your job, doc.

[Ari Shafir]

Sew it up.

[Natalie]

Oh, that was great.

[Justin]

There was a video that went viral of a woman who was in the middle of giving birth. And it's like the husband's filming, I guess, and all you can see is, like. You can't see anything but, like, the tops of her knees. And there's, like, a nurse on the other side of her, and you can hear the doctor going, like, okay, you're gonna tear. So I'm probably just gonna have to cut. And as soon as she says it, the dog. The nurse makes that face, and it's.

[Ari Shafir]

That's her first day.

[Justin]

And they're like, why would the nurse make that face?

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, like, you've not. You've never seen this before?

[Justin]

Yeah, like, I. The. The. The patient. The mom who's in labor is like, is that gonna hurt? And she looks over at the nurse. The nurse. Like, I don't think so.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, I don't know. I have.

[Ari Shafir]

No.

[Justin]

That's gonna fuck you up.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, we're gonna tear your vagina. It's gonna for sure hurt. Did you do that? You did the pushing one or the cutting one?

[Justin]

I did the. Well, I don't think my mom thought that they, like, just cut everyone nowadays, you know, it was like, that's normal. That's how they get the baby out, is just to cut you right open. And I was like, like, no, no, no.

[Ari Shafir]

Slice it down the middle.

[Justin]

That's a C section.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Talking about, like, cutting your vagina to make it wider, to make it come out.

[Ari Shafir]

So there's three kinds.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Ari Shafir]

Slicing, cutting, and pushing and scissoring and scissoring.

[Justin]

So, no, my mom was like, they're gonna, like. They do it to everyone. It's just easier to get the baby out. And I was like, no, no. Nowadays you do perineal massages to lubricate the area in which. Which is basically like a gooch massage.

[Nick Viall]

It's like the same logic as, like, before you have anal.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Can you imagine, like, the 1920s doing anal with just some, like, spit barbarians, no plugs, nothing. Poor Ky.

[Justin]

I thought you lost your anal virginity to me. Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

So I'm gonna have to put in my 30 days. I'm learning too much on this show.

[Justin]

Where is hr? Where is HR Going to keep rocking.

[Natalie]

In a shower later?

[Nick Viall]

You know, friends said we could talk about this stuff while we're podcasting.

[Justin]

Listen, it's all a bit. It's all standup and none. All of this is a joke.

[Ari Shafir]

How bad did it hurt? Which one?

[Justin]

The anal or giving birth to the baby now?

[Ari Shafir]

Both. I will now say both. Yeah. Which one hurt worse?

[Justin]

Anal.

[Ari Shafir]

Because you don't get a. You don't get numbing. You don't get a numbing.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Honestly, if I could get epidural for anal, I would do it every day of my life.

[Ari Shafir]

I heard anal described like you're trying to out a house. If you could get epidurals, you would.

[Justin]

Do it anal every day. Yeah. Honestly, the epidural is the best part about giving birth, other than meeting my child for the first time.

[Ari Shafir]

Wow.

[Justin]

Yeah, you should. You should try epidural for your next hike or live music festival.

[Ari Shafir]

I 100% will give me that Michael Jackson stuff. Right.

[Nick Viall]

It's like a large needle on your back, and then going forward, they give you a remote control. It's like, imagine having a remote control for your drugs, whatever your drugs are. And. And it's like you can push this button as much as you want. You can't. Odd. Because you're good.

[Ari Shafir]

More. Just more or less higher.

[Nick Viall]

You just hit. There's just a more button.

[Justin]

Stop hitting it if you like.

[Nick Viall]

It won't let you od.

[Ari Shafir]

It won't Let you od.

[Nick Viall]

But so you.

[Justin]

Like, the second I was like, I think I feel my toes more.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So at any point, you can just make sure you're at maximum high.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. Is that what you're.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

You just always, like, just keep doing this?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah. I get her to sleep. Just hit this for me for a while.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Wow. And then. And then you couldn't feel it, could you? Push out?

[Justin]

Yeah. All you feel is, like, pressure, but you don't feel any. I mean, they tell you they're like, you're gonna push for 10 seconds. And so you just like, hold a push for 10 seconds. And then they're like, we see her head and it's like, wow, I guess I'm doing this.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, we got very lucky with very little complications, with no complications. So, you know, not the same for everyone. But it was shockingly like. Like it happened real fast, that part. The whole like, push, push, push.

[Ari Shafir]

She's out and then out.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Did it. Did it make this noise?

[Justin]

You know, there was so much going on in the room. I don't recall if Nick would have been down there. He could have listened.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. Why watch it? Why watch it? But also, I'm curiosity. I'd watch someone else's. They got to do, like, a strangers on a train situation.

[Nick Viall]

I've seen the. The sex ed videos back in the day, and I imagine it looks some. Something like that.

[Ari Shafir]

Do you just have to shave before?

[Justin]

Honestly, I thought about that. I said, should I get, like, wax or shave before? And then I said, well, wax is painful. Like, I don't need to go through that right now. I'm about to go through burst.

[Ari Shafir]

About the epidural, though.

[Justin]

If I could get the wax post that.

[Ari Shafir]

They should all have that. The Brazilian place should just have an epidural while we're here.

[Nick Viall]

While you're. While you can't feel anything.

[Justin]

Call in your wax. Yeah.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah.

[Justin]

So then I was like, I guess I could shave. And then I was like, well, that feels like a lot of open wounds. Like, you know, what if I cut myself? And then like, that just felt like it was little. So if she does fight through.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, right.

[Justin]

So she. Sometimes they shave it themselves. The nurses will be like, oh, my God, we gotta get in here. And they have a little disposable razor.

[Ari Shafir]

And would you have done that out of a.

[Justin]

Would you have shaved me? I think.

[Nick Viall]

I think you said. I think I said.

[Ari Shafir]

No, I meant, like, if she's like, I have to. I have to Shave for this. Can you please also shave your d. The hair? Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

No, your dick off.

[Ari Shafir]

Meet you there?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I'll meet you there.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like, every once in a while, I'm like, every once in a while, I'm like, this is getting crazy.

[Ari Shafir]

Like, yeah, I'll do it once, once every couple years.

[Justin]

Same.

[Ari Shafir]

Yeah, this is getting crazy.

[Justin]

I'm like, I can't see anything down there. I should probably take control.

[Nick Viall]

Is that gu.

[Ari Shafir]

How long has that been there? They don't still make big, red juicy fruit. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

All right. This has been a ton of fun.

[Ari Shafir]

It has been.

[Nick Viall]

You guys rule.

[Ari Shafir]

I think you're my favorite married couple.

[Justin]

Oh, my God. I've been recording this for 14 minutes.

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, really?

[Nick Viall]

That's also a pet peeve. How easy it is to accidentally record a. A voice note and accidentally send it to someone via text?

[Ari Shafir]

Oh, no, I did it last night. I got off stage. Record your sets on there, there. And then I got off. I thought I hit stop, and then I talked a lot of about people with my friend, and then I was like, oh, I just delete the whole file. So easy to send to your friend, Ari.

[Nick Viall]

So much fun. You have.

[Ari Shafir]

Great title for a Burke.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you.

[Justin]

Don't do it.

[Ari Shafir]

Thank you. I thought I could skip.

[Nick Viall]

You don't want to go? This makes me feel good.

[Ari Shafir]

You want to say don't text your ex happy birthday. Solid advice.

[Nick Viall]

The next special is America's Sweetheart. It's out right now. It's very funny. If you want to laugh about things that make you feel like me, maybe you should or shouldn't laugh about it, but it's also really also funny, and it is just comedy, so thank you. It's okay. Check it out.

[Ari Shafir]

Thanks, buddy.

[Justin]

I feel like anytime we have a comedian, I just open up way too much.

[Natalie]

I learned a lot. We could say that this segment was educational.

[Justin]

I feel like with Heather McMahon, I opened up about, like, things I definitely shouldn't have. It's like we just.

[Nick Viall]

Well, what do they say? Like, you know, usually comedy stems from, like, dark childhood trauma.

[Justin]

Yeah, there's that whole. It's. Well, it's that whole thing that's, like, why I'm funny is because X, Y, and Z happened to me. You know, it's like, learn to laugh.

[Natalie]

Or else I cry.

[Gina]

All I could think is crowd work is afraid of Natalie because she banters.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we just want to thank our guest Jason and Melanie as well as Ari for joining us. Be sure to follow them and check out their work as well. Oh, and if you haven't already, be sure to check out the Barbie Fur Going Deeper episode that dropped. Dropped yesterday. It's a really great one, especially for all you Euphoria fans. She's got a really excellent new movie called Bob Trevino likes it. Be sure to check that out as well. Next week we got the Bachelor finale, and we will be interviewing your runner up, which I think will be juicy. I think maybe this finale might be worth you guys tuning into. That'll be with us when? Next Wednesday for Going Deeper. And obviously, we will talk about the finale a little bit. Tuesday's recap. So much more coming ahead. Excited to bring it to you. We'll see you then. Bye.