E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E907 Summary: Temptation Island Special

Release Date: March 26, 2025

In Episode E907 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall and his co-hosts Natalie Joy, Drew, Garcelle, and guest Victoria Fuller delve deep into the latest happenings in reality television, focusing primarily on Temptation Island. This special edition, categorized under "Reality Recap," offers insightful discussions, behind-the-scenes revelations, and candid conversations about relationships and pop culture.

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1. Temptation Island Recap with Victoria Fuller

Victoria Fuller's Return and Experience Victoria Fuller joins the show to provide an exclusive inside look into her recent stint on Temptation Island. She shares her experiences both on and off the island, highlighting the complexities of maintaining relationships under the reality TV spotlight.

• Preparing for the Trip:
  • Nick Viall (01:23): "First of all, thank you for having me. Victoria wants us to make a public service announcement."
  • Victoria explains the challenges faced due to limited equipment in their pop-up studio, hinting at the production constraints during filming.

Conflict and Resolution Victoria discusses the tensions that arose during the show's filming, particularly focusing on her interactions with Grant and the emotional rollercoaster that ensued.

• Latia’s Exit:

  • Nick Viall (03:00): "What do we think of Latia's case?"
  • The team analyzes Latia's decision to leave, debating whether her "receipts" were substantial enough to validate her feelings.
  • Drew comments on Grant's empathetic demeanor, suggesting whether his reactions were genuine or performative.

• Garcelle’s Departure:

  • Nick Viall (11:55): "Garcelle has announced her exit from Beverly Hills Housewives."
  • The discussion shifts to Garcelle's reasons for leaving, emphasizing her desire to focus on her family and other professional endeavors.

Post-Show Dynamics Victoria elaborates on her relationship with Grant post-show, revealing that their connection deepened during a follow-up trip to Maryland. However, the relationship was short-lived due to Grant's infidelity, leading to their eventual breakup.

• Grant’s Infidelity:
  • Victoria Fuller (65:15): "Grant ended up cheating on me with Ashley about a month in."
  • Victoria recounts the moment Grant confessed his mistake, highlighting his immediate accountability, which contrasted with his usual behavior.

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2. White Lotus Movie Review

Garcelle's Critical Take Garcelle provides an in-depth review of the latest White Lotus movie, expressing her disappointment with its execution.

• Musical Adaptation Flaws:
  • Garcelle (15:19): "I think the rating is accurate."
  • She criticizes the overuse of new songs, lack of iconic tracks from the original, and cheesy costuming.
  • Garcelle (16:08): "Like there's a couple old songs, but it's like every five minutes it's a new song and it just... none that we know."

Production and Performances The hosts discuss the visual aesthetics and performances, with Garcelle mentioning the AI-like sets reminiscent of Thomas Kinkade paintings and Gal Gadot's unexpected singing role.

• Visuals vs. Storytelling:
  • Garcelle (16:58): "It's just... it's done by the time it's like, oh, maybe this will get better. It's like, no."

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3. Atlanta Housewives Insights

Portia’s Frustrations and Drama The discussion moves to Atlanta Housewives, where Garcelle and Drew dissect the ongoing drama, particularly Portia’s issues with Dennis and the group's dynamics.

• Conflict with Dennis:
  • Garcelle (37:19): "Portia has a right to be upset that Drew is hanging out or making music with her baby daddy."
  • They analyze Portia’s confrontations and the show's portrayal of her relationships.

Kelly’s Extravagant Celebrations The hosts express their bewilderment at how Kelly celebrated her daughter's 17th birthday with 17 designer bags, questioning the extravagance and its impact.

• Materialism on Reality TV:
  • Drew (42:57): "Buying designer clothes for your young children is the most insane thing you could spend your money on."

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4. Relationship Dynamics and Couple Banter

Nick and Drew’s Relationship Insights Nick and Drew engage in a playful yet insightful conversation about their own relationship dynamics, touching upon communication, therapy, and mutual support.

• Therapy Sessions:

  • Natalie (84:17): "I have a lot going on, but I prioritize my mental health."
  • They humorously discuss how therapy often surfaces underlying issues, leading to comical yet relatable exchanges.

• Communication Challenges:

  • Nick Viall (85:00): "Our couple's therapy is just gonna start something that we aren't aware of."
  • Drew and Natalie share anecdotes about miscommunications and the humorous side of their relationship struggles.

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5. Upcoming Episodes and Teasers

Special "Going Deeper" Episodes Nick announces an upcoming special "Going Deeper" episode featuring Natalie from Temptation Island, promising more in-depth discussions and exclusive insights.

• Nick Viall (55:36): "Tonight's episode has Natalie from Temptation Island to dish on some of the tea following the finale of said show."

Preview of Next Content The hosts hint at future discussions, including topics like White Lotus murder theories and Severance, keeping listeners eager for more content.

• Nick Viall (90:02): "What does she do? I don't even... we're going to discuss it."

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Notable Quotes

• Natalie Joy (05:01): "Have you ever, like, brought the receipts or spoke your truth to someone and their response was honest and kind? It kind of pissed you off because you wanted to get into it with them."

• Garcelle (16:03): "There's more songs than there is dialogue. The costuming is kind of cheesy."

• Victoria Fuller (65:15): "Grant ended up cheating on me with Ashley about a month in."

• Nick Viall (85:00): "Our couple's therapy is just gonna start something that we aren't aware of."

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Conclusion

Episode E907 of The Viall Files offers a rich tapestry of reality TV recaps, personal anecdotes, and heartfelt discussions about relationships and pop culture. From Victoria Fuller's candid revelations about Temptation Island to Garcelle's critical take on White Lotus, the hosts provide a comprehensive and engaging overview of the latest in reality television. Their playful banter and insightful analysis make this episode a must-listen for fans seeking both entertainment and depth.

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Note: Timestamps are indicative and reflect key moments within the episode.

Transcript

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[Victoria Fuller]

You're crazy.

[Nick Viall]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Reality recap, a special edition of Reality Recap because it's Wednesday.

[Drew]

Wait, I thought you have you. I thought you have to say welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files reality Recap edition. It did seem a little off.

[Drew]

It did. It wasn't right.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Welcome back, Victoria. First of all, thank you for having me. Victoria wants us to make a public service announcement. Obviously we are back in our little pop up studio.

[Drew]

Food truck.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, listen, things, you know, we have a lot of equipment here, but like not everything came. So our lighting is, you know, not where it's going to end up being. Right.

[Natalie]

Less than favorable.

[Nick Viall]

Less than. And so Victoria came in really pissed off at me.

[Natalie]

Just a little, you know, a little annoyed given the fact that just my face. So if you saw yesterday's episode, I am wearing a lot of powder today. And I am so sorry about that.

[Drew]

Nick said glow up next time.

[Nick Viall]

Next time you come back to this particular place. If there is a next time. Oh my God.

[Natalie]

He's like, ed, I will be the judge of that.

[Nick Viall]

Well, no, no, I'm just saying like we'll just see if we're still here, you know, kind of.

[Natalie]

We are in Miami.

[Nick Viall]

I promise you. I promise you better lighting, you know, then you will like glow up, so to speak.

[Natalie]

Thank you so much.

[Nick Viall]

Yes. Please don't judge Victoria's face or mine.

[Drew]

While you're at it. Yeah, it would be nice too.

[Nick Viall]

Anyway, congratulations again to Grant and Juliana.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Great. Excellent. Latia. We finally watched Latia's. Well, we watched the. Victoria was watching two brothers jerk each other off.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. So sick.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that was gross, but, yeah. So what do we think of Latia's. What do we call it? Her. Her. Her case that she pleaded.

[Drew]

Listen, I think she has a strong case. I think she definitely brought the receipts. You know, her being like. Well, he didn't dispute any of them. He wasn't like, I actually never gave you a journal to write your feelings.

[Nick Viall]

Here's a question. Here's a question. When. When someone says, I'm going to bring the receipts, does require you bringing anything physically tangible, or can it just be your. Is your truth a receipt?

[Natalie]

I think it's just like a term nowadays. I think, like, everything.

[Nick Viall]

Like gaslighting.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I think it used to be, like, physical evidence, and now it's just like, I'm bringing the receipts, and it's like.

[Drew]

Well, you see what you get when you buy something.

[Nick Viall]

I'm gonna bring you the receipts, you gaslighting narcissist. And then she'll be like, yeah, you told me you liked me the most.

[Natalie]

Yeah. She's like, and these are the receipts from my memory.

[Nick Viall]

So as long as you hold out your hand and read your truth from the palm of your hand, you're like. And then. And then you said, I was the one.

[Drew]

Yeah, but he didn't dispute any of it. He wasn't like. Well, I actually didn't say that.

[Nick Viall]

You know, which I really think pissed off Latia.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Because, like, I felt like Grant said, handed him, as Grant has all season long, very kind, very thoughtful, very empathetic man came out, knew he was gonna take some punches at any moment. He looked like he could cry. I wasn't sure if that was a performance, if that was real. He came out very. Just very.

[Natalie]

Yeah, he was nervous.

[Drew]

Well, also, his. His fiance was listening to Latia be like. And you told me that, like, on the second date, you. I was the one.

[Nick Viall]

And on the third date and on the group date, and then, like, every day, you said, I was it. You said you liked me the most.

[Natalie]

Wait, no way. Yeah, but there. That wasn't on camera.

[Drew]

He's like, all right, that's enough. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Wrap it up.

[Natalie]

He's like, and you're going to want to stop talking.

[Nick Viall]

Have you ever, like, brought the receipts or. Or spoke your truth to someone and that their response was honestly, like, as thoughtful and as kind, as empathetic as Possible. And it kind of pissed you off because you. You kind of wanted to get into it with him.

[Natalie]

Yeah, for sure.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I felt like that's what would happen last night.

[Drew]

It's like, whenever I remember when I was, like, a teenager growing up, and my mom would get mad at me for something, and I would just say.

[Natalie]

Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. Right.

[Victoria Fuller]

Stop it.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Damn it. Fight with me.

[Nick Viall]

That was Grant. He was like, I'm. No, I'm. I'm really sorry. I definitely hurt you, and I'm. I'm so sorry. And you're the best, and I'm the worst, and you are so wonderful. And I'm absolutely.

[Natalie]

And I'm an idiot.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm an idiot. And I'm. You are. And I. And I have to own that. And she was like, well, let me just repeat exactly what I repeated before, because I'm so really pissed. And honestly, like. And, like, you know, you always can kind of tell where the crowd's going because, like, you know, they cheer. Like, they brought out Latia. She spoke her truth. Then they brought out Grant, and he got quite a warm welcome.

[Drew]

Really?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

An applause, if you will.

[Nick Viall]

Applause. It was like, you know what?

[Natalie]

They're like, actually, we don't really care.

[Drew]

About anything she said, bring them out.

[Nick Viall]

I feel. I feel for Latia in the sense. Because, you know, I've been there twice. Twice in her position, and it's just like, you listen, like, your truth or whatever happens to you feels so intense. It's. It happened to her. You know, she did get let on, clearly, like, she. She. Her emotions were fucked with by a lot of people. Not just Grant, but the entire Bachelor nation, the audience, everyone. Like, this is the show, you know, it's kind of like we. We lack a little, like, you know, so, like, in the real world, it's like, you know, don't get the empathy. The empathy's not there. But in Bachelor world, it's like, babe, you know, hey, you're like.

[Drew]

And that's life.

[Natalie]

And you're gonna want to move on quickly.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, right now, I was a little.

[Drew]

Disappointed that nobody asked Juliana how she felt about Latia's exit.

[Natalie]

Oh, good.

[Drew]

I was thinking that, too. I was like, I wonder if Juliana is gonna say something on her own accord and be like, by the way, love to also give my support to Latia. I know obviously she feels this way, you know, but did she not.

[Natalie]

She stuck by her man.

[Nick Viall]

Well, she wasn't asked, and it wasn't like. And what is she going to say? She's going to say, here's what she's going to. I promise you there's going to be some version of. It's obviously a very difficult situation for everyone. I love Latia. She's. She's amazing and blah, blah, blah. And obviously like Grant was, you know, I don't condone what he did, but obviously, like he is a great man and he obviously didn't mean it and like it's just a very difficult situation.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, that's true.

[Nick Viall]

All right. Asked and answered. There we go.

[Drew]

So you're saying that's that they did.

[Nick Viall]

Announce Bachelor in Paradise once again, why'd you write justice for Zoe? Leia? Like, what do you mean?

[Drew]

Well, I wrote that before I watched the last three seconds of the show and she was brought out. I just felt like she wasn't there.

[Nick Viall]

She was. She was. The end of the season. She got.

[Drew]

Well, I mean she got the last 45 seconds.

[Natalie]

They're like, I will bring out Zoe.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but Zoe, the human, she was.

[Drew]

11Pm.

[Nick Viall]

Basically she was still there because they forgot because Grant forgot to send her home. Basically it was like, oh, Zoe, you're still here.

[Garcelle]

They did her dirty.

[Drew]

Yeah, she got no. They did. She got no hot seat. She didn't get to talk to Grant at Women Tell all. She didn't get to talk about. Maybe she had something to say but no one asked.

[Natalie]

They're like, no, you don't.

[Nick Viall]

How did it feel not to get a one on one Zoe? No.

[Garcelle]

But even then they sit her down and then it's like as if they're going to announce her as the next Bachelorette. And then they're like, so how do you feel about Bachelor in Paradise?

[Nick Viall]

Oh my God.

[Drew]

The longest.

[Garcelle]

The golden Bachelor in Paradise.

[Drew]

It was like, so how they are.

[Nick Viall]

They are combining, right? Is that what they're doing?

[Garcelle]

Combining?

[Drew]

Yes, yes. So they're allowing like cosp.

[Natalie]

Pollination.

[Drew]

Baby Jess to possibly date.

[Nick Viall]

Like what was his guys age gaps are.

[Drew]

What was his name? Kevin or something? Jack.

[Natalie]

Grandfather.

[Drew]

Like, is that really they're doing that.

[Garcelle]

Or is it sounds like the rules are there are no rules.

[Natalie]

I'm gonna throw up.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, it's like the fact that.

[Drew]

Listen, I'm a watch.

[Nick Viall]

Is it. It's a looks thing. I always say when it comes to age gaps, looks matter.

[Natalie]

It's disgusting is what it is.

[Drew]

Yeah. Okay.

[Natalie]

Chelsea, I'm not you guys. You're not her grandfather.

[Drew]

And thank God I now have the space to finally tell you. I wasn't comfortable to say it at your Wedding. But I think your age gets disgusting.

[Nick Viall]

You fucked me on the lighting.

[Natalie]

You guys are gross and I hate you guys. No, I think that someone that old and this isn't age discrimination. I just think it's, I just think it's dirty and it makes me feel weird when I think about like a girl who's in her 20s. It's almost like. Yes, it's like, it's almost like it's. She's being taken advantage of, in my opinion. And it could go the opposite way too. It's like an older woman and a younger guy. I just think it's feels icky where it's like you have all this life experience and then you're going to like prey on a 20 year old.

[Drew]

Well, it's weird that they are 60s and 70s.

[Natalie]

That's what I'm saying. That's. That is just too much for me. It's too much. I can't watch it. I can't look at it. I don't think it is.

[Nick Viall]

I think it's a look thing maybe.

[Drew]

Don't you?

[Nick Viall]

How much more is a 70 year old gonna take advantage than a 4 year old?

[Natalie]

I think there's a lot of life to live between 40 and 70.

[Nick Viall]

Sure. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I think it's weird.

[Drew]

It is, it is. There is something different about like a 70 year old man who looks 70, looks like a grandfather. Is a grandfather.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Drew]

And is like, oh, so what'd you have for breakfast? Like try and we have to watch them, like try to make a connection with these younger.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I don't know. They missed the mark on that one.

[Natalie]

No, I really hope they're just coming in to give advice.

[Nick Viall]

I just hope the hot young gentlemen are like, so Leslie, he's just like, goes into a confessional. He's just like, there's just something about her.

[Natalie]

I can't, I don't know, I can't watch it.

[Drew]

So Victoria won't be tuning.

[Natalie]

I will not be tuning in.

[Drew]

So, so sorry about you lost a viewer.

[Nick Viall]

You just, you don't want to hear like she's aged so gracefully.

[Natalie]

I think that older women are beautiful in their own right and they should bury her own in their. And they should date people.

[Nick Viall]

At what age are you just gonna give up?

[Natalie]

I'm never giving up.

[Drew]

Never, Never. How old do you want to live too?

[Natalie]

Hopefully 100.

[Drew]

You do?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No matter how you look.

[Natalie]

Yeah. It's not about being vain. It's not about being vain. It's about I don't want.

[Drew]

What if you're like, deaf and blind and you can't walk.

[Natalie]

And so I'm Helen Keller. Perfect.

[Drew]

Yeah. And your teeth are fall out, and you're like, then I probably wouldn't want to live. Okay.

[Natalie]

I probably would want to die, but at that point, I can't even see my. Or hear myself, so.

[Drew]

Or eat anything but, like, a smoothie.

[Nick Viall]

Well, speaking of giving up, Garcelle has announced her exit from Beverly Hills Housewives.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Drew]

Yeah. He's out of here.

[Garcelle]

I mean, it makes sense.

[Nick Viall]

And she's coming on Basher in Paradise.

[Natalie]

No, she's not.

[Nick Viall]

She found out that she can get her hands on some fresh meat.

[Drew]

Honestly, it was time for Garcelle to exit. Yeah.

[Natalie]

It was just like, the same drama over and over again with her. And I love her. I met her at an event, and I think she's lovely, but it was like, the same storyline over and over.

[Drew]

Yeah. You know, and she never really. I feel like maybe if she would have been willing to, like. Like, her and Sutton kind of be able to go at it. But I feel like they have such a real friendship. I love it that they're just like, this isn't.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Worth. You know, they're like, listen, like, that's what I think, and I'm sorry. And I love you.

[Nick Viall]

She also does have, like, a lot of other work going on.

[Natalie]

That's what I was going to say. She also has so much going on now. She's, like, a director and stuff, and she's an actress, so I think she doesn't need the show as much as the other ladies.

[Drew]

Did it have to do with her sons? Is that what she said in the thing, or. No?

[Nick Viall]

Well, she. Yeah, it's like. Yeah. She wants to spend more time with her family, and her one son is in school, the other one's starting some career. She just wants to be present for the kids.

[Natalie]

I like that. Yeah, I love that.

[Drew]

Well, did you see that? A United Airlines flight.

[Nick Viall]

I would be.

[Natalie]

Please stop.

[Drew]

A United Airlines flight had to turn around two hours into its journey from LA to Shanghai after it was discovered that the pilot had forgotten their passport.

[Natalie]

What?

[Drew]

I'm sorry, sir. Like, their one job is to remember things. Like, they're not allowed to forget things.

[Natalie]

Like, you know what they're like in the middle of the air, and they're like, actually, we got to turn around.

[Drew]

He's like this. You know, he's like this. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know what happened? His wife sent him a photo of the passport he forgot on the kitchen counter and kind of like, do you need this? Right? I mean, how else. Midair. That's exactly what happened.

[Natalie]

Exactly what happened.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think it was the pilot or co pilot?

[Natalie]

If it was the co pilot, then we're definitely not turning around.

[Drew]

It says the aircraft diverted to San Francisco where passengers were provided with meal vouchers. Wow.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Drew]

They're like, so we actually have to wait for his passport to be shipped here. So if you want to get some Shake Shack.

[Natalie]

Do you think it was from. So it was left in LA or Shanghai?

[Drew]

It left in la. Going to Shanghai.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Drew]

Got two hours out and they were like, oh, gotta turn around. So they went to San Francisco. So not all the way back.

[Natalie]

At least it wasn't like nine hours in, you know, there.

[Drew]

It could always be worse.

[Natalie]

It could always be worse. Nine hours in would be crazy. And like, actually they could have forgotten the pilot himself.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Why can't he just not get into the country? Would they have flown back for anyone else who forgot their passport?

[Natalie]

Yeah, good question.

[Nick Viall]

I get he's the pilot, but who gives a fuck?

[Drew]

Like, am I just a passenger in seat 52? Just wild pilot. They obviously care about pilots more than they care about us.

[Natalie]

Yeah. They do not give a shit about their customers.

[Drew]

Yeah, no, they don't. Well, Snow White is currently rated as one of the worst movies of all time, Sierra, at a 2.1 out of 10.

[Nick Viall]

Sierra. Sierra, you're a movie buff.

[Garcelle]

You saw it, and I'm a Disney girl.

[Nick Viall]

I'm curious your opinion because obviously, as everything else in this world, everything's been politicized. Everything takes aside. But politics aside when it comes to this movie. What did you think of this movie?

[Garcelle]

I think that the rating is accurate.

[Nick Viall]

Why did it suck?

[Garcelle]

I went in fully, like, wanting to love it with all of the fodder around it. Wanting to love it. It's Disney one. I wish I didn't hear Rachel Zegler's comments about, like, how it's not the 1937 version because it follows the formula to a T. Even more so than most of the live action movies. So it's the exact same story. I don't think Disney's figured out musicals at the moment. Like, every two minutes it's a new song. And none that we know.

[Nick Viall]

So it's just like it's not wicked.

[Drew]

None that we know.

[Garcelle]

None that we know. Maybe one.

[Nick Viall]

What's wrong with. They didn't have. I don't. They didn't want to pick the old songs.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, like, it's. There's like whistle while you work.

[Victoria Fuller]

There's a.

[Garcelle]

There's a couple old songs, but it's like every five minutes it's a new song and it just.

[Natalie]

I hate that.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Like there's more songs than there is dialogue. The costuming is kind of cheesy. Gal Gadot has a song in there that really just shouldn't be in there. It's just, it's.

[Nick Viall]

Gals sing. I didn't.

[Garcelle]

No, no.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Garcelle]

But she does in this movie.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Garcelle]

That I know of. But yeah. No, it.

[Nick Viall]

Harsh.

[Garcelle]

Yeah. I'm sorry. I really wanted to love it. I really did. And I was even looking at Connor, I dragged him to it and I was just like, I'm sorry.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, no.

[Natalie]

I'm so sorry.

[Drew]

Do you have left, like halfway through.

[Garcelle]

If I'm not really. I don't like to like walk out of movies and I always like, have in my mind, I'm like, maybe it's going to get better. And then it's like, this must be ending soon. And to be fair, it's an hour and 36 minutes. But it feels like it's two hours and 30 minutes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So you clapped and it was over because it was done.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, yeah.

[Garcelle]

It's done by the time it's like, oh, maybe this will be get better. It's like, no. Why is this happening? Okay, now the costumes, I will say the sets, I'm assuming it's AI of some sort because it literally looks like they're in Thomas Kincaid paintings. It's beautiful. But yeah. No, you could wait for streaming for that.

[Nick Viall]

Have you ever wanted to clap after sex? Because it was so bad? Victoria.

[Drew]

Oh, what? How did we get here? Because it's bad.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I'm just like, you know the idea of like something being done and you clap and everyone's like, oh. And then you're like, well, one cuz it's done.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I guess maybe once or twice. Now that I think of my mind, I didn't really think about it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I'm like, yeah, time to go home.

[Drew]

That was horrible.

[Natalie]

Thank God you're done. Yeah, I guess so.

[Nick Viall]

There's nothing worse than a guy, you know, for a guy when it's like you get that look.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You're just like, yeah. Whenever you're. Are you ready?

[Justin]

Are you done?

[Natalie]

You done there?

[Drew]

Okay. Well, I guess whenever you're done, I'm done.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's like you just do the head turn. You're like, okay.

[Nick Viall]

And the guy's like, are you okay? And he's, you know.

[Natalie]

I was wondering Much.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, you know, we're all human, you know?

[Natalie]

I wonder if guys. I always wondered if guys, like, could pick up on that because they just seem like they're in their own world, you know? I'm like, I'm not actually here.

[Garcelle]

When you say, like, are you close, though? It's like they think it's because it's a good thing. And you're like, no, no. Yes, I'm.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I picked up a long time ago. I was like, all right, it's time. Yeah.

[Natalie]

You almost done?

[Nick Viall]

She wants me.

[Natalie]

Yeah. You start, like, talking really dirty so they finish. Yeah.

[Drew]

You say some crazy.

[Natalie]

Crazy. You're like, God, anything.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Never been there once or twice.

[Drew]

Like, the way that you could, like, put it between my toe and wrap it around.

[Natalie]

Put it in my ear.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You start saying the craziest. Yeah, well, and then.

[Nick Viall]

Because he's, like, down for anything in that moment, and then you have that post nut clarity, and he's like, yeah, so. Yeah, I didn't mean any of that.

[Natalie]

Seriously, though, you can see it in his face.

[Nick Viall]

So weird. The next 20 minutes, he's always, like, checking in. It's like, how are you? Okay.

[Natalie]

Like, are we good?

[Drew]

You're so beautiful.

[Nick Viall]

What's wrong?

[Natalie]

I love you.

[Justin]

What's wrong?

[Nick Viall]

What's wrong? What's wrong?

[Drew]

It's true.

[Natalie]

So true.

[Drew]

Speaking of crazy sex stories, should we talk about White Lotus?

[Nick Viall]

So you finally watched.

[Natalie]

I did.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't love it.

[Natalie]

I didn't love it.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. Like, Mike White. He's. What? Mike's watching too much porn, clearly.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah.

[Drew]

Did you see that? The next morning, they were in each other's shorts. Shorts. And people are like, does that mean they had sex or does that mean.

[Nick Viall]

They were naked on drugs when they got that? I think that was just like.

[Natalie]

Yeah, he just like. Yeah, he's just like. Exactly. That's what I thought, too. But I did go.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, it was already kind of fucked up enough. I don't.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Just made me feel uncomfortable.

[Drew]

Me, too. Patrick Schwarzenegger. Crushed. The reaction of him just being like, he's so.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, he's really good.

[Drew]

He's really good.

[Natalie]

Like, crazy good.

[Drew]

Whose situation would you want to be in the least from? Like, everybody on this show. Definitely not interested in jerking off my brother.

[Natalie]

Yeah, definitely. Like.

[Drew]

Like, you wake up on a Monday morning and you're one of these people. Like, who. What's the biggest nightmare here? Like, tax. Like, going to prison, dad. Yeah, like, wanting to kill yourself.

[Nick Viall]

Definitely. One of the three girlfriends. Because that's all first world problems so far.

[Natalie]

You don't want to be one of them.

[Nick Viall]

No, that's the best situation.

[Garcelle]

Oh, the best situation you want.

[Nick Viall]

Their problems are all, like, first world problems so far.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

That we know of also. I know this is, like, not. This is a hot take, controversial take. I'm team Jacqueline.

[Natalie]

I like her.

[Nick Viall]

Like, if she was there for her friend.

[Natalie]

Mm.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, you know, hey, you should. You should hook up at the hottie. Hook up at the hottie. Hook up the. Honey. She couldn't close it.

[Garcelle]

Jacqueline's married.

[Drew]

She's also. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So Jacqueline's married.

[Drew]

She's married.

[Nick Viall]

I thought it's like a boyfriend situation.

[Drew]

Conversation with her husband the next day.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay.

[Natalie]

You know what? Fuck that, though.

[Drew]

Relation, vacation, relationship aside.

[Nick Viall]

Totally. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Yeah. So that's fucked up. I'm wrong. Let's pretend that Jacqueline's character is not in a relationship, okay. Because that happens, like, with friends. Happens with guys, too. Happens with girls. You go on vacation. Like, you meet a group of people and then all the single people. It's a little bit of, like, let's all be friendly, but it's also a little competitive. It's a little, like, a little dancing, you know? And.

[Drew]

And she was saying. Lori was saying, like, you've done this since high school. Like, you haven't changed.

[Nick Viall]

So it was like, yeah, but maybe. Maybe Lori could never close. And Jacqueline was like, she's not a closer. Closer.

[Garcelle]

But maybe Lori thought she had some time because she was the only single one. Yeah, I'm here for a week.

[Drew]

Yeah, exactly.

[Nick Viall]

Like, it's like. It's like, you know, if it's like a sportsman for, you know, you're always passing the ball to your teammate because it's like, all right, they need some points. So you. You cheap. Keep trying to give them the assist. Well, how many times before they brick it? Are you going to be like, you know what? I'm just going to go ahead and take this shot, because before they break.

[Natalie]

It, shooters got to shoot.

[Drew]

She's got to shoot, period. I do. I did think Leslie Bibb. What's her character's name? What is her.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, what is her name? Does she have a name?

[Nick Viall]

She's the independent.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Kate. Kate. Really? Kate.

[Natalie]

That's her name? I would not have guessed.

[Drew]

I know. I'm like, what is her name? Well, Leslie Bibb, whenever she was like, it was the most like, relatable. There's. These three women are so good. They are at delivering, like, actual facial expressions and scenarios that happen in the. Like her telling her being like, oh, my God, and guess who was leaving her room.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And then she sees her getting mad. She's like, I thought. Yeah, I didn't know you were going to be mad.

[Nick Viall]

So do you think. Do you think her character was being honest about not realizing how triggering it was going to be? Or do you think she likes the drama and she was pretending?

[Drew]

No, I think she was like, let's talk shit. How we always talk shit. And then, like, oh, like, did you see you're mad?

[Natalie]

And then it wasn't going to be a thing after, but then Laurie took it to the next level.

[Garcelle]

When Laurie robbed her out.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

She was laying right there. I'm like, you guys are crazy.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm gonna say, in your single days, not sure how wiped up you are.

[Natalie]

Well, we'll see after this weekend.

[Nick Viall]

After this weekend. But I'm sure you've been out with the girlfriends before. Do you. Have you ever felt like you've had friends try to compete with you? That it was like, wow, listen.

[Drew]

No, no, listen. I've been out with Victoria before. And the way that men will be just be like, oh, my God, like, crawling all over Victoria. And it makes you be like, I also thought I was hot, but clearly I am not. Like, you walk in with Victoria like, we're two bad bitches, and then everyone's obsessed with Victoria, and you're like, shut the fuck up.

[Natalie]

It's because you're married.

[Drew]

I'll be going home. It's because you're married.

[Natalie]

And they know it's all over the Internet.

[Drew]

For sure. That is why. But it really is humbling to go in public with Victoria Fuller, because it is.

[Natalie]

Shut up.

[Drew]

Yeah. So I can only imagine what her friends who get to go out with her constantly is like, wishing y'all the best.

[Natalie]

Good luck out there. No, it's. I actually feel like I always am giving my friends. Like, the guy.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And the guy's like, no, no.

[Nick Viall]

What's okay for you? Yeah. And then what if, you know, I.

[Natalie]

Actually had this situation happen to me recently with a friend. She got so upset with me, and it's just so stupid, I can't even talk about it.

[Nick Viall]

But in guy's world, and, like, I always. I would always have, like, friends. There's always a couple friends who, you know, maybe struggled to close at times.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And. And if we'd go out and there'd be a group of girls, whatever. They would go like, dibs. Oh, we. You know what I'm saying?

[Natalie]

They would.

[Nick Viall]

We'd meet a group of people and like, before we even knew, like, names.

[Drew]

Yeah, green shirt is mine.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well. And I've been like, okay, we'll see.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we'll see if green shirts your sweetheart by the end of tonight.

[Nick Viall]

And then they would get mad when green shirt, like, I were, like, vibing. And I'm like, in what world that I was I supposed to just right, sit around and watch you strike out?

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Drew]

Well, and what the girl in the.

[Natalie]

Green shirt look like and what is her name?

[Drew]

First and last, please.

[Natalie]

I will be finding her imaginary. I actually had this happen to me recently.

[Nick Viall]

Who are. Who are the guys who are upset liked Victoria more than you strangers?

[Drew]

Like, honestly, they could have been all the grandpas from Golden Bachelor. And I'm like, what the. What about me? Like, yeah, excuse me, ma'am, Just move over. The girl in the green.

[Natalie]

Shut up.

[Drew]

Very true.

[Natalie]

Not to mention you've been, like, pregnant and married. So it's like.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

They're hitting on you while you're pregnant. That's insane.

[Drew]

No.

[Nick Viall]

God, no.

[Drew]

God, no, no. The one time. The one time I had an interaction with a man while I was pregnant, it was me walking across the street when I wasn't supposed to be. And the man said, move it, badass. So it's been fun. It was fun. Yeah.

[Natalie]

No, I don't believe you.

[Drew]

Yeah, he did. And I said, I'm pregnant. What's your excuse?

[Natalie]

And you probably had, like, your cute little crop top on with your belly.

[Drew]

Yeah, that I thought was really cute. And then I look back at photos of me like that. There's like, a couple Chambliss will constantly send me these, like, random paparazzi photos of me while I'm pregnant, and it is jarring. I was doing the crop top and the shorts, and it was not working for me.

[Nick Viall]

Sure. It was not.

[Drew]

When I see those photos. Yes, it was.

[Nick Viall]

Because it was a slow, gradual process of you getting more and more pregnant. It was like, you look great.

[Natalie]

I loved it. I thought you had. Because you used your bump as an accessory.

[Drew]

It was.

[Natalie]

I thought it was so cute.

[Nick Viall]

When we went to Toronto and we did Alex's live show and we posted that video and it went, like, got, like 10 million views. You looked stunning.

[Natalie]

Yeah, you.

[Nick Viall]

I thought you were, like, fatty with a baby. It was like, people were quite taken with it.

[Natalie]

And you were like, I feel like you felt so confident, too, with it.

[Drew]

I definitely did. Until I look back at photos that I didn't personally take of myself, and.

[Nick Viall]

I'm like, those paparazzi photos, they're never.

[Natalie]

They're never flattering.

[Nick Viall]

Well, no one can accuse you of staging those photos.

[Drew]

That is true. Yeah. I definitely would have posed.

[Nick Viall]

Well, they can, but they can actually. They probably will still accuse you.

[Drew]

Yeah, they will.

[Nick Viall]

I have had plenty of, like, really ugly paparazzi photos, and people are like, I don't stage.

[Natalie]

And I'm like, why would I want that out there?

[Drew]

You don't think I would have maybe applied some lotion and, like, smile, maybe.

[Natalie]

Like, stood up a little straighter or.

[Nick Viall]

Like, this sucked in.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Look so grumpy or pissed, like you.

[Natalie]

Want to kill someone.

[Drew]

Did you hear that? Speaking of Leslie Bibb, she revealed that Heather Dubrow random show played a role in developing her White Lotus character.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Nick Viall]

Isn't she, like, met with Heather or she just watched some.

[Natalie]

Heather, I was gonna say, because she kind of does give Heather Dubrow.

[Nick Viall]

I was at a party last week. I was at an Armani.

[Natalie]

I'll say it. Armani.

[Nick Viall]

We. I went to. On Armani. Nope, I went to Armani. Armani.

[Drew]

There we go. You got it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Anyways, I saw Leslie Bibb there. She was very lovely.

[Drew]

Did you talk?

[Nick Viall]

No. I was like, love the show.

[Drew]

She was very lovely. Did you talk? No.

[Natalie]

He's like, I have no idea. She didn't say words.

[Nick Viall]

She looked tiny. She was. She looked very kind to the people she was talking to.

[Drew]

She was smiling a lot.

[Nick Viall]

Justin came as my plus one.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh. I was the Natalie.

[Natalie]

Like, okay.

[Nick Viall]

I don't, like. I don't like bothering.

[Natalie]

Oh, good, Good. Yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

To talk to people.

[Nick Viall]

No, but he was willing.

[Drew]

Oh, well, I feel like, yeah. Anytime. Nick's, like, refuses.

[Nick Viall]

I'm like, I'm not good.

[Drew]

I'm like, it's true. It's Drew Barrymore. Go over there. Give her your number. I remember that she gave me her.

[Nick Viall]

Number, and I must have been a fake number, because she never responded.

[Drew]

Oh, can you imagine?

[Natalie]

Did it go to imessage or Drew Barrymore?

[Drew]

It's like, yeah, sure. It's gives her 91 1, call me.

[Natalie]

It's like what we do when guys ask for our numbers and we give them fake numbers, Literally. She just, like, gave him some random.

[Drew]

And then they're like, all right, I'm just gonna, like, I'm gonna go ahead.

[Natalie]

And call you really quick.

[Nick Viall]

Can you.

[Drew]

Is it on silent or.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Oh, did it go green or was there imessage?

[Nick Viall]

It was an imessage.

[Natalie]

Oh. So then she just didn't reply.

[Nick Viall]

She's just like.

[Natalie]

It was her number.

[Drew]

She's like, yeah, I regret it.

[Natalie]

She's like, yucko.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And I guess, yeah, Leslie was saying something about how. Something about, like, apologizing but not really saying you're sorry at this. I don't know what was the exact quote.

[Garcelle]

Just the way that they're able to, like, insult each other. And it's kind of tied up in a nice little bow. So that's kind of where you see the. The subtle shade with a smile.

[Nick Viall]

Heather's very good at that exact. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry.

[Drew]

Yeah, she is.

[Nick Viall]

It's like there. She's apologizing for the person she's apologizing to.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Garcelle]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Natalie]

I feel sorry for you.

[Drew]

I'm sorry you're poor, you know, not my problem. But I am sorry for you.

[Nick Viall]

Boy, those decisions seven years ago, you probably would have done something differently if you knew it would lead you to this moment. Right? Sorry.

[Natalie]

That is kind of how she is.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Kind of love it, though.

[Nick Viall]

Heather's out of touchness. Love.

[Natalie]

I know. I like it, too.

[Nick Viall]

I want more of that in my Housewives. I don't need relatable.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I don't want you to be relatable.

[Nick Viall]

Well, before we get to Bozeman talking shit about Justin's girl Sutton, just a quick reminder, we do have Natalie from Love island later this episode episode to dish on some of the tea following the finale of said show, which will be very helpful for us if we ever get a chance to talk to the rest of the cast. But it's a nice little setup, I think, from Natalie. So that is later this episode. So exciting stuff. Bosim Insane accuses Sutton of being mean and says she's not the person she anticipated.

[Drew]

She said in an interview. I'm very surprised at the Sutton who showed up in our conversations. And in this season, I am shocked by it because she's not the person I anticipated. I just didn't anticipate that Sutton would be so mean. So I don't know who this version of a person is and whether or not she is trustworthy from now on out, I have no idea. I feel like she's one of those people that I will watch my back with. So she kind of saying, like, on camera, she's different than off camera. Is that basically what that means?

[Nick Viall]

Or at least she heard, you know, she just assumed she would be nicer or heard she was nice. Or maybe she was listening to this podcast and heard Justin being like, oh, my God, I met her in person. She was just, like, loving and amazing. And then she got to meet her.

[Drew]

And she was like, your wallet doesn't match.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Oh, remember that?

[Natalie]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Well, if I'm. If I'm Yvonne Boseman, like, who, for everything we know about her, is very self made, very independently successful, Netflix executive entrepreneur, like, independently wealthy, like, lot, you know, has dealt with her own trauma, her own tragedy. Certainly Sutton has as well. We've heard her talk about her father and things like that. But if you're. If you're Bozeman and you're looking at Sutton, it might be a little harder to respect Sutton. You know, like, Sutton's, like, money comes from not her husband. Her husband. And, like, it's just like, when Bosman chooses not to throw her money in other people's faces. And I'd be a little more critical of Sutton, you know, because it's like, you don't need to act this way. I don't act this way. Why are you acting this way?

[Drew]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

You know, in a way that, like, maybe can come across as a bit mean and entitled and privileged.

[Natalie]

I could see that. But I think that that's kind of like, the charm about her is that she doesn't really care.

[Drew]

She definitely doesn't give a fuck.

[Natalie]

No, I gotta love it.

[Nick Viall]

I think she cares.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I feel like she says these things for, like, the.

[Nick Viall]

Sure, but as soon as you go, Sutton, you know that one, she freaks out and then, like, she loses her fucking mind as soon as, like, someone's like, hey, but that one time you were kind of mean.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

And she does the damage control.

[Nick Viall]

She does not act unbothered.

[Natalie]

No, I just meant she, like, says all this shit and it's, like, really crazy, and she doesn't care what she's.

[Nick Viall]

Saying in the moment.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I guess.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, she does care if people, like.

[Natalie]

Corruption come for her afterwards. Yeah. If people say they don't like it, then she gets upset.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Drew]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, well, wait, I'm sorry. I'm just being honest.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

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[Drew]

Well, speaking of housewives, should we get into Atlanta?

[Nick Viall]

Yes, of course.

[Garcelle]

I'm loving this season of Atlanta. It's only episode three, but the drama Portia, Drew and Dennis. And it's like, do we agree that Portia has a right to be upset that Drew is hanging out or, like making music with her baby daddy?

[Drew]

Yes, I think, definitely. And to the extent of like one.

[Nick Viall]

What was it, bro? Drew. What's in her house?

[Drew]

She was like, he's strictly a friend. It's very professional. No. And then it zoomed in on his name and her phone. Dennis, bro, it was like, like, stop trying so hard.

[Nick Viall]

Sure, buddy. Dennis guy. I'm not.

[Natalie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

He's like my angel on earth. The editors did her dirty this episode too, with the we never talk, we only text. And then it's like her on the phone, like on speed from being like, hey, what's going on?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

What did you think of? Was it Shamia calling?

[Garcelle]

Yeah, Angela.

[Drew]

Yes, Shamia calling Angela.

[Garcelle]

Like, Latoya.

[Drew]

Latoya Jackson. And. And then Portia goes, it was so dirty and so wrong. And I loved every second of it.

[Garcelle]

I loved one of them being like, well, how do we get here? How do we go? And she's just like, I don't know. I don't know. Just like her nose, like, it was just like, whoa.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, wait, why are we going.

[Drew]

For people's personal Looks, they listen. Atlanta doesn't hold back. But it also feels like they don't take it. It so seriously. Like, I feel like if that joke was said with Beverly Hills or with, you know, a glasses would be camera or something, like, they would. Yeah, they would be so upset. It would last three episodes long, this fight. You called me Latoya Jackson. You made fun of my nose.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I've had girlfriends who I would have been like, you can't talk to me that way. I'm like, I can't deal with that level of intensity. And they'd be like, well, this is just how me and my family talk. And I'm like, okay, no, that's.

[Victoria Fuller]

That.

[Natalie]

That checks out.

[Nick Viall]

That makes sense. But not for me, you know? So maybe, like, that's just. Yeah, it seems maybe Atlanta, it's just like.

[Natalie]

Yeah, that's like the. What they do.

[Nick Viall]

They're just used to, like, you know, if you're. If you're friends and you're just kind of. You're at each other's throats, it's less maybe triggering. You know, Some people can't. I was like, I can't.

[Natalie]

I hate this.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, am I not supposed to take you seriously when you call me a idiot with nothing going for me? Or like. Or is that that. We're joking. I'm okay.

[Natalie]

It was a joke.

[Drew]

Also, Drew saying that she, like, tried to talk to Portia about the dentist. And she's like, I asked her twice what she was doing when they were.

[Garcelle]

Showing the text messages. It's like, hey, girl, you back in town?

[Drew]

Yeah, like, want to get drinks? And she's like, oh, gotta cancel. Something came up. And she's like, I tried, and she didn't want to listen.

[Garcelle]

So not once was there a text that was like, hey, I have something really important to talk to you about. Hey, I just want to run something by.

[Drew]

Maybe jump in the call. Just give me a call.

[Garcelle]

Like, really, FaceTime run it by you really quickly. No, that was. That was crazy. Also, Kenya, the whole difference between hoe is there. Is there?

[Drew]

Listen, horror is definitely worse, right? Yeah, no, hoe is like a term of endearment. I feel like hoe is like, if it's in the right way, like, you're a hoe.

[Victoria Fuller]

My.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

What's up?

[Drew]

Yeah, that one is. That's hard.

[Natalie]

That's bad. That's really bad.

[Drew]

So I agree that there is definitely a difference. I also do feel like horror isn't used as much as it once was.

[Natalie]

I agree.

[Drew]

I haven't heard that word in a long time.

[Natalie]

Yeah, bring it back.

[Drew]

No, no, please don't bring it.

[Nick Viall]

Sounded like a gripe.

[Drew]

No, no. It was just like, oh, wow. Like, we've. Everyone's leveled up. Yeah. Kind of stopped calling it back.

[Nick Viall]

It's so dirty.

[Natalie]

It's so dirty.

[Nick Viall]

It's not even. It's like, what are we even talking about? It's not even the same word. It's hoe.

[Natalie]

It's not. Not even. No.

[Nick Viall]

Has, like, a bubbly feeling.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I was like, it's, like, cute, you know?

[Nick Viall]

It's literally part of Christmas.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Garcelle]

I can't. And then we had Kelly and Portia making up over lunch. I've never heard of a strawberry Hennessy margarita. Would you try.

[Drew]

That was crazy.

[Nick Viall]

And she was sipping.

[Garcelle]

She said it was great.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, wow. But Hennessy's whiskey, right?

[Drew]

I think it's.

[Natalie]

These Atlanta bitches are different. Yeah. Hennessy is crazy.

[Drew]

So there was. There was Hennessy and tequila in it.

[Garcelle]

I think it's. Instead of the tequila, it would be Hennessy. But, yeah, that was an interesting. I was. Interesting drink order, but happy to see them make up.

[Drew]

Yeah, it was. It was like, what was even their fight about?

[Garcelle]

Just Kelly kind of talking shit about Portia, but not really knowing Portia. And Portia's whole thing being like, you don't know me.

[Drew]

Oh, yeah. Being like, she didn't let. Let her husband, like, leave that or something. It was about, like, his previous. Yeah. Yeah.

[Garcelle]

It's just nonsensical. But I'm glad that they made up. And then we had Kelly's balm on Mommy and Me event. Also, these housewives, these Atlanta housewives really do do things different. Kelly's daughter, that was like, her 17th birthday got, like, 17 bags, and they were all, like, designer bags. And I was just like, no.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Born into the wrong family.

[Natalie]

Yeah. What the.

[Drew]

Buying designer clothes for your, like, young children, to me, is the most insane thing you could spend your money on.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Drew]

Yeah. Because they grow out of it so fast. JoJo Siwa very graciously and kindly gifted river, when she was born, Like, Gucci outfits along with the Gucci diaper bag. The Gucci diaper bag is stunning. It's a really cute. But I'm like, they're like archival pieces. Like, I'm like, I will never. She can't get, like, spaghetti stains on this Gucci. Like, raw.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

But you could take pictures for. That's, like, where my mind goes.

[Nick Viall]

Like, after your wedding when you just trash the dress?

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, you.

[Drew]

Can you do that? Cute photos. I did not do that. It is. It is preserved. Yeah, I got it. It's going in a museum cleaned. And it is preserved in a box.

[Garcelle]

Are you gonna wear it again tomorrow? You know, like a renewal or, like about bowel renewal or something? Like 10 year. Would you. Would you ever wear it again? I guess is the question.

[Drew]

Probably because it's. It's. Yeah, I probably would. I think it's so classic that I. I definitely would. If we did something, it would be like a fun. Yeah. Like circle. Circle moment, I think, but I don't know.

[Natalie]

I love your dress.

[Drew]

I know. I love it too.

[Natalie]

So good.

[Nick Viall]

What'd you do with the Friday dress? The river.

[Drew]

Oh, they just let me borrow that.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Drew]

The Sea Girls? Yeah.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Drew]

I didn't buy it.

[Natalie]

Oh, lucky you, Nick.

[Drew]

Yeah, no, I. I actually bought all my wedding dresses.

[Natalie]

No, you didn't. With your own money. Oh, that's criminal.

[Nick Viall]

Who was supposed to buy it?

[Drew]

You.

[Natalie]

You get. You get to marry her.

[Nick Viall]

I got her a wedding.

[Natalie]

How lucky are you?

[Drew]

How lucky are you? Do you remember when we were at that first bridal shop and I was like, oh, saying yes to the dress.

[Natalie]

I'm saying yes to the dress.

[Drew]

We like pop champagne. He's like, all right, if you want to put the $5,000 deposit down right now. I was like, oh.

[Natalie]

And Nick was like, maybe we should look at other places first, too, before we decide on the first place.

[Drew]

The first stop we went to. We had two more stores to go to that weekend. And it was like, maybe let's not put $5,000 down right now. And thank God you were very.

[Nick Viall]

I had to convince you not to.

[Natalie]

She was like, but I want it.

[Drew]

I was like, but you don't understand.

[Natalie]

This is the one.

[Drew]

It was not the one.

[Natalie]

It was not the one.

[Nick Viall]

No, literally. It was about like. But what am I supposed to tell him? I'm like, you'll be back.

[Drew]

Because we had done the whole, like.

[Natalie]

We did the whole thing.

[Drew]

He was like, are you saying yes to the dress?

[Nick Viall]

Wait, you had a. You had a take backseat on the dress?

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, yeah. She had to.

[Drew]

I was like, so?

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's his fault. He pressured you into a purchase that you weren't ready for.

[Natalie]

I did.

[Drew]

He did. I wasn't prepared.

[Nick Viall]

It's like when you test drive a car and you sit in it, it's like, wait, it's your new car? And you're like, is it. I. You know, cars sales me. People do. When I First bought a car at my very first, like, real car. Like, a brand new car ever. Everything before that was just, like, some beater. I basically drove in to the dealership, and, like, honestly, I don't think my car was going to work. I don't know on the way out. Honestly, it wasn't going to get home. And, like, I was kind of. You know, I fert. I got a job or, like, a real job, but I hadn't started the real job yet. And I. I knew I was getting. I knew I was getting a bad deal. And they put my old license plate on the new car. It's kind of like, well, it's yours now. And I kind of was like, I guess, but, like, I definitely could have gotten out of it. But they just like, wait, that's so awkward.

[Natalie]

I hate that story.

[Nick Viall]

I basically didn't want to be like, well, I don't know if I want it yet.

[Natalie]

And they're like, they do pressure you.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

It is crazy how, like, you'll be afraid to say something because you don't want to hurt. Like, we had some people helping us move some pieces of ours, and I was looking at all the pieces that had arrived, and I was like, wait, I think maybe this artwork that was passed down from my great grandfather isn't here. I'm not seeing it next. Why don't you ask the guy? I'm like, I don't want to make him feel like he lost it.

[Natalie]

Right, right, right.

[Drew]

It's like a nice. You need to be like, excuse me. Where is my.

[Natalie]

Where is my sh. Well, I think that's a woman thing, too.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I think we've been conditioned to do that over a long period of time where we're, like, scared to speak up because we don't want to make the man comfortable.

[Nick Viall]

I'm the comfortable. I'm more like, well, because you're a man. And then he's just like, oh, but. Oh, sorry.

[Drew]

It's like when you're getting your nails done, like, do you like this color?

[Natalie]

And you're like, I love it.

[Drew]

Love this neon yellow.

[Natalie]

Yeah. You're, like, scared to, like, change anything or they'll be like, do you like the shape? I'm like, like, yeah, I do.

[Nick Viall]

There is no.

[Natalie]

Now I live like this for three weeks.

[Nick Viall]

There is no. There's very few greater, like, powers than be able to, like, sit in an uncomfortable situation and not give a. And you just stare at the other person and wait for them to respond.

[Drew]

Oh, God. Nightmare.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

I thrive.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, my favorite. I'll just be like, yeah, no, I'm. Nick is One cannot be more Zen in this, like, this room full of anxiety.

[Natalie]

And I love that for you.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just more like, this is my resting state, guys. This the, like, welcome to my world.

[Drew]

He's always like, listen, if you don't want to be the best, tell him it's me. Tell him it's my problem. Tell them, like, I'm the one. Yeah.

[Natalie]

And she does.

[Drew]

And I'm like, what am I supposed to do?

[Nick Viall]

Blame me. I'll call.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I like that.

[Nick Viall]

Listen, I don't like this dress on me.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, I hate it.

[Drew]

It's really mad. My husband doesn't like this dress on me, so I have to return it. I'm so sorry.

[Natalie]

You did do that, though. You're like, my husband says I have to wait.

[Drew]

I did.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Because he probably was like, blame it on me. And I was like, okay.

[Natalie]

That's a good dynamic, though.

[Drew]

Do you remember being at that wedding dress shop and I was pregnant and I, like, passed out in the fitting room?

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, I do remember.

[Drew]

And I had to tell the guy hooked me in dresses. He's like, are you okay?

[Natalie]

I'm like, she's like, on the floor. She, like, can't move. She's hypoglycemic. She hasn't had any sugar all day.

[Drew]

He was like, so, what's wrong? And I was like, you can't tell anyone I'm pregnant. Yeah. He was like, okay, sure. She's like, I can't tell. Like, your family that's out there, they might be worried.

[Natalie]

No, you cannot tell anybody. She's, like, passed out.

[Nick Viall]

Was he like, oh, so this is why you're getting married? Yeah.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So it's not love.

[Drew]

Yeah. So what are we gonna do in wedding? I hear you. And then he was like, I actually was once married to a woman. And I was like, oh. He was like, and I'm married to a man. And I was like, okay.

[Natalie]

You're like, this is. This is so beautiful.

[Nick Viall]

So what are you gonna name your bastard child?

[Drew]

Oh, my God.

[Victoria Fuller]

It was.

[Drew]

It was quite interesting. It was quite the experience.

[Natalie]

And then the lady who walked in. Oh, yeah, the houseless lady who walked in.

[Drew]

There was a houseless lady who walked in, and we were all like, what.

[Nick Viall]

Do you mean houseless? Like, like homeless.

[Natalie]

Oh, God, you can't use that word. Houseless.

[Nick Viall]

Is that a new thing?

[Drew]

Unhoused. They're unhoused. An unhoused Woman wandered in, and we were the only.

[Nick Viall]

I just want to understand why is that that different and more specifically better? Is this because it's new?

[Natalie]

Stigma, stigma, stigma. It's just.

[Nick Viall]

So what happens when five years from now, we've all been saying, unhoused, Unhoused. All these unhoused.

[Natalie]

They won't have to change it, and.

[Nick Viall]

We'Ll have to change it because, like, we've just.

[Drew]

They'll have houses by then, and they will have houses. Hopefully, we'll have solved the problem.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, by all means. I would love.

[Drew]

Yeah, yeah, let's get everyone in the.

[Natalie]

House, because I think home is, like. Home is where the heart is.

[Nick Viall]

Are they gonna go, so what about the charity? Is it gonna be unhoused? What about the homeless? Toothless, what are you gonna do? House Toothless Unhoused. No teeth.

[Drew]

Justin's.

[Nick Viall]

Nobody knows the title.

[Drew]

No one knows the name of the charity.

[Natalie]

Yeah, still Toothless.

[Drew]

And then the next day, we went to a different shop, and my mom was, like, sobbing, crying at one of the dresses, and she was like, I think this is it. It's not a movie.

[Natalie]

It is.

[Drew]

And then I accidentally showed Nick a picture in the car, and he's like, I don't like it. I saw Wings, and I don't like it. Wings. It had, like, long sleeves that went down. And I was like. He was like, you have to pose every picture with your arms up like this. I don't like it.

[Natalie]

I remember that. And we all thought it was the one. And Nick was like, is that the one your mom.

[Nick Viall]

Is that the one your mom was crying over?

[Natalie]

Yeah. She was like, sobbing. She loved it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

She was like, this is it Natalie. And Nick's like, what the fuck is that?

[Drew]

I was like, look at this picture.

[Nick Viall]

It was 1980 when you got married.

[Natalie]

I was like, look pretty. I said that it was picture I.

[Drew]

Took of Jeff earlier. Oh, my God. He was like, I don't know what that was. I don't know what I just saw, but I'll be honest with you. I don't like it. I was like, well, that takes that off my plate.

[Natalie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick Viall]

And then I said, blame me.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Then we did send it back. Blame me truly.

[Nick Viall]

Well, all right. Well, coming up next, Natalie from Temptation island joins us, and she serves up some tea and some burning questions that I think will serve us well in the future. And then after Natalie, we'll come back, and I do need to talk about my favorite online obsession, the. What's his name? Ashton. Austin Ashton. I don't know. He's the ASMR daily routine guy. Now there's all these like viral videos of all these daily, daily routines. I am curious about like what your morning routine is because it is nice.

[Natalie]

Oh, mine. Well, we talked about this before.

[Nick Viall]

Even though the entire Internet is kind of like, it's like everyone's laughing at this guy and he's just more like embracing it. And you know, like, it is kind of fascinating because his whole like shtick is this, like a lifestyle like this. And now people are picking it apart and questioning how real this lifestyle is. But then when you think about it, he's just, all he is is just he's an online creator and it's just like clear. It's like he's doing the thing he wants, which is getting people to like notice and talk about it and watch it over and over, whether they like it. Make fun of it, not make fun of it.

[Drew]

Nobody's content is original. Everyone does.

[Nick Viall]

But I was thinking more about it.

[Drew]

Like he's mad that people are like copying his morning routine, but he's unbothered.

[Nick Viall]

Because people also copied Jesus and Jesus didn't let it bother him.

[Natalie]

Yeah, Jesus didn't.

[Nick Viall]

That's what he said.

[Natalie]

Also Champagne Poppy didn't. I feel like he did. Drake did this like years ago.

[Drew]

The morning routine.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Did he as marsile?

[Natalie]

Kind of.

[Nick Viall]

Everybody did he also. And then my question is, I was thinking about it, if you're waking up at 3:00am, like, are you, are you really an early riser at that point or did you just decide to work third shift? Well, when we come back, we'll discuss it. Here's Natalie.

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[Nick Viall]

Natalie, welcome to the Vial files.

[Victoria Fuller]

Hello. Hello. I'm excited.

[Nick Viall]

We are excited as well. Thank you for taking the time. How have you been?

[Victoria Fuller]

I've been really good. I've been really excited since the show aired and now I can finally, like, talk about my experience.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it's a wild experience you had, for sure.

[Victoria Fuller]

Absolutely.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, where do you want to start? Or. I feel like there's a lot of burning questions. There's been a lot of TikTok lives going on with the cast. You did not leave Temptation island with Grant, but it seems like the relationship didn't end, though, when Temptation island ended. It's like, it's. Can you fill us in post show about like, what went down and then, you know, maybe we'll go back to when you were on an island of like, maybe like shower scenes and things like that. We'll maybe figure out what happened. Well, you know, I think the people. Well, we're just here, Natalie, to like, give the people what they need and want and fill in gaps for things that maybe we don't get to see. So you know that that's all we are know at. At your comfort level, of course. But can you let us know where we're at in terms of what happened between you and Grant post show and. Yeah, all. All that drama that ensued.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. So I'll start like right at the end of the show. I was fully aware that he probably wasn't going to ask me to leave in the bonfire with him. We had had some conversations that they cut out where we talked about him being a little bit too messy and he needed to, like, figure out his own relationship with Himself and Ashley and everything off of the island. And he had stuff moved in in her place. And I was like, I think it's better if we're going to pursue this after, you know, that we pursue it after, and that you kind of leave alone to work on yourself. I was more thinking there was, like, a 10% chance, even though we had those conversations, he would still ask to leave with me. But so I was ready. And we did have have, like, a whole conversation after that final bonfire that they completely cut out as well, which I was sad about, because I felt like I looked really good that day. I was like, but. And then after that, we left the island. Well, we finished filming, and then me, K, Tyler and Grant, we all stayed on the island for, like, four more days immediately after filming. So even though we didn't leave the island together, we immediately went to the hotel together and spent four days and.

[Nick Viall]

Had a double day.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. And it was actually so much fun. We had the best time because we were all like, we have our phones back. Now we're back in real life. This is super weird. Um, and so it was nice to kind of, like, all be together and do that.

[Nick Viall]

How much of Ashley's decision to leave with Dani do you think played a role in Grant's decision to stay with you, along with Tyler and Kay?

[Victoria Fuller]

Ooh, good question. I think that, like, watching it back, it was definitely interesting to see, like, the way he was crying at the bonfire and probably knowing and feeling the energy from Ashley that she wasn't going to choose to leave with him, and that even though he went first, she was probably going to leave with Dani. So I'm sure it played a big role. You know, I think that Grant really wanted both Ashley and I, and obviously, clearly he was playing both sides, like, the entire time and even, like, off the island.

[Nick Viall]

That sounds like Grant. Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, definitely. When I said, like, oh, messy, you know, like hindsight's 20 20, I look back and I'm, like, damn messier than I kind of originally thought. But I knew going into it that it was kind of problematic. But I think that it definitely played a big part because he knew that she was with Danny, and so he also probably wanted, you know, something for himself. And, like, we did get really close on the island. So regardless of, like, how things would have been off the island, I guess in real life, we spent four weeks literally just getting to know each other. So we did build, like, a. A strong connection. You could say it's very, like, TV term.

[Drew]

So y'all spent Four nights together in the hotel. And then you left the island. You went back to your west coast. He went back to the south. Florida or something. What kind of happened in that period?

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay, so when I first came home, I went. Came home to Arizona for, like, a day, which is where I live. But then all my family lives in Oregon. So after, like, two days of being home, I went. Went home to Oregon to go stay with my family and see them. And so Grant and I had been in contact since we got our phones back or, like, separated. And then he called me when I was home in Oregon and was like, so I have this trip in Maryland. It's a work trip. Everything will be paid for. You know, just come out and I want to see you outside the island. And at first I was kind of like, I don't know, you know, like, it's very soon. He had moved out of Ashley's that week, which they didn't live together full time, at least from my perspective. Who knows?

[Nick Viall]

That's what you were told. That's what you were told.

[Victoria Fuller]

This is what I was told. So he. And he told me that he went to go, like, move out of her apartment, and they hardly talked to each other, and it was really just, like, tense. And then he got all of his stuff out, and I was like, okay, now that that's done with, I guess maybe I will consider seeing you in Maryland. Which I don't think that's how it actually happened when he went to go move out of our apartment. But again, I wasn't there, so I don't totally know, but I was with my family, and I was like, should I just do it? You know, I'm a full sender, like, especially with a free trip, like, twist my arm. That's totally up my alley. And so I was like, okay, I'll just do it. So I went to Maryland, and we honestly had, like, the best trip. We had the best time. He was kind of filming for some of it. It was beautiful weather, sat by the pool, drank margaritas.

[Nick Viall]

What was he filming?

[Victoria Fuller]

He was filming at this, like, well, health summit place because he's a videographer, photographer. Okay.

[Nick Viall]

All right.

[Victoria Fuller]

So that's why he was there filming that.

[Nick Viall]

And then Temptation island, too.

[Drew]

Already in Maryland? Okay.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes. No, this is, like, a completely different job that he did. And then we had the best time, which I was kind of not, like, surprised, but I wasn't expecting us to, like, really hit it off outside the island. But we did on this trip in particular. But I kind of think that like when you get really close with someone and then they know all the things that you're looking for in a park and they want to like, pursue you and make it work, I think that that was more so what was happening than us like just actually hitting it off in real life.

[Drew]

You don't think he was being genuine?

[Victoria Fuller]

I think he was trying to be genuine to the best of his ability. And I think that, like, he did want to be those things for me, but I think that he was so wrapped up with Ashley and so wrapped up in his own, like, issues and stuff that he was having that it was just impossible for him to be those things long term.

[Nick Viall]

When you say trying to be genuine, that sounds like a really nice way of saying I don't think Grant can be genuine or is that an unfair statement?

[Victoria Fuller]

I think that maybe there's some truth in that. I just like, I think that he does have like a lot of his own stuff that he needed to work through. And jumping from Ashley to me, like, with literally like negative time in between, there was no way he was going to be able to work on those things. Even though I think he knows what he needs to work on.

[Drew]

How long has it been since. Since all of that?

[Victoria Fuller]

This was last June.

[Drew]

Do you think he's done the work yet?

[Victoria Fuller]

That's a great question. I don't know. I haven't spoken to him in like eight months. Okay, so.

[Nick Viall]

So then after this Maryland trip, was that pretty much it or did you guys try to. Did you try to make it, like try to date or try to make it work or try whatever, Try anything.

[Victoria Fuller]

So, Nick, the Maryland trip was the start.

[Nick Viall]

Okay?

[Victoria Fuller]

That was like the start of our off island thing. So we said our goodbyes in the airport and then he ended up chasing me down to my gate. It was this whole dramatic Grant style thing where I was the last one to board and I was sitting there waiting for him to come and then he was like, I want to jump into this with you. You know, like, we had the best trip. Let's be exclusive. And again, like I said, I'm a full sender. And I was like, okay, we just had the best trip, you know, let's do it. I'm down. And that lasted like a month, which it was very short lived.

[Nick Viall]

And why, what, what did you like? Was that. That you're a lot. Everything you're saying is basically you liked the idea of how Grant presented himself and there was a lot you liked and clearly you guys had good chemistry, but everything you're Saying implies that, like, at the end of the day, he wasn't who he said he was, or you sounded very excited to date a version of Grant that he wanted you to believe that he was. Is that. That's what I'm hearing from you? Does that. Is that accurate?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. I think that. But, yeah, you nailed it.

[Nick Viall]

What specifically happened that made you did? Were you the one who said, fuck this, like, I'm out. This isn't the way I expected it? Or, like, how did things end so quickly?

[Victoria Fuller]

No. So some people might be surprised to hear. I, in fact, wasn't. But he ended up cheating on me with Ashley.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Victoria Fuller]

About a month in. And he called me right after and told me about it.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. So props to him for that. That. But I'll give him that.

[Nick Viall]

But did he say, I cheated on you with Ashley? Or he's like, hey, hooked up with my ex, or. Sorry, like, what. What did that conversation like. Because I'm honestly a bit shocked that he.

[Victoria Fuller]

You know, some problems, you can't take accountability. But he did. He did immediately. I. He's the type of person, too, which I was not so much. So, like, this was one thing that we kind of like. Like, didn't align with in real life is he wants to, like, constantly talk to me. And so he went, like, a couple hours without texting me, and I was like, something's weird. Like, Grant's always texting me. And I called my best friend, and I was like, I swear he's gotta be with Ashley. And she was like, no. Like, you're crazy. You're crazy. I was like, no, I'm telling you, like, woman's intuition. Call it whatever you want, but, like, I swear he's with Ashley right now. And she was like, okay. And then an hour later, Grant called me, and I was like, were you with Ashley? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, okay, well, did you kiss her? And he was like, yeah. And then I was like, okay, well, I guess that's all I need to know. Like, I'm never gonna talk to you again. I'll see you at the premiere. And our conversation was, like, five minutes long. And then I hung out.

[Nick Viall]

Was it just a kiss or that you don't. That you don't know?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, it was just a kiss. At least from when I've talked about it with Ashley.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Victoria Fuller]

But that was, like, just enough for me in the call where I was like, okay, you disrespected me. Cross the line. And him And I had had that conversation before because obviously, like, this isn't, like, shocking news that Grant would cheat on me. It's kind of his character. So we had. I had drawn that line, like, very clear before, that if he was to disrespect me in any way with Ashley or with any girl for that matter, I would give him, like, a minute or two to explain himself, and then I would never speak to him again. So that's exactly what I did.

[Nick Viall]

Was watching anything bad back surprising to you?

[Victoria Fuller]

Well, so I had, like, heard about the bonfire clips, but again, like, everything that we heard from what happened in the bonfire clips was from the boys themselves. We didn't actually have, like, contact with the women in the other house until after or anyone for that matter. And so, like, seeing the bonfire clips for myself and seeing how much less bad they were than the boys bonfire clips. But when the boys came home, they needed, like, maximum support and comforting and consoling from us.

[Nick Viall]

And it's like, the nerve.

[Victoria Fuller]

She, like, the first bonfire when she came home, he was, like, absolutely so upset by whatever she said. And she crossed every boundary and line of the things that they had talked about before. And it was like, wow, was this.

[Nick Viall]

Before or after the shower?

[Victoria Fuller]

This is before. This is the first bonfire clip. When he came home, it was like, wow, they must be done, because, like, he seems so upset by whatever she said.

[Nick Viall]

What does she do? I don't even.

[Drew]

I think it was just. She was, like, talking shit about him to one of the guys. Like, it wasn't.

[Nick Viall]

But she was talking a lot of shit early on. She was definitely like, but their boundary.

[Drew]

Wasn'T, hey, don't talk shit about me. Their boundary was, don't touch anyone.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. So do you feel like the first bonfire and Grant's frustration with Ashley led to him, you and him kind of, like, making the next step? Absolutely.

[Victoria Fuller]

Because, like, prior to the first bonfire, Gray and I weren't even, really, like, connecting too heavily in the beginning because it was more so me and Leno. And then that kind of took a turn. I. I think it was right before the first bonfire. Grant and I had a deep conversation, and then it kind of just, like, started blossoming from there. But when he came home from the first bonfire, he was, like, so distraught about what happened that I was like, there's no way like, that a they're getting back together. He was walking around the house like a single man. Like, he wouldn't be able to forgive Ashley for what he saw. And then again, watching it back, I Don't even remember what happened either. I'm like, what?

[Nick Viall]

So what did happen in the shower?

[Victoria Fuller]

So we. We knew that the camera was put up there that day. There wasn't even a camera in there for, like, until the second week. And so we were fully aware that, like, the shower scene was probably gonna be something that was. I mean, it was a bigger deal, I thought, when they aired it. But, yeah, we were fully aware that that was happening.

[Nick Viall]

So, like, you guys hooked up?

[Victoria Fuller]

Like, not in that shower scene? No.

[Drew]

Well, what was your. What was your tagline in the beginning?

[Natalie]

Your.

[Drew]

Guilty.

[Victoria Fuller]

My name's Natalie, and if you like it from the front, you're gonna love it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Did you come up with that on your own or.

[Victoria Fuller]

So I actually said that in my final interview, and they reminded me that I said that, and they were like, oh, you should like. I was like, so I did. That's a Natalie original. I hope you guys liked it.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Drew]

So. So post show everything. I saw a clip of you and Ashley on a live where Grant was, like, on the phone yelling at her. Yeah, what was that about?

[Victoria Fuller]

That really caught me by surprise. He was fully aware that we were on live too, and still chose to call her and do that. He joined my live and then was in the comments. And mind you, this is the most interaction that I've had with him in eight months was me reading his comments out loud. But I was like, I'm just telling Ashley because when you're on live with someone, they can't see the comments that are in yours. So I was reading them, and then he kept telling us, add me. Add me. And I was like, I'm not adding you to my live. And I didn't even know how. Honestly, at that point, it was like my second time ever going live. And then she was like, I'm not adding you. And then he ended the live and ended up just calling her and was like, let's go, let's go. Let's talk about it. Be real, be raw. And I was just, like, so uncomfortable the entire time. Like, I was not expecting him to do that. I felt like it was completely uncalled for. And knowing that there's an audience, too is just, like, crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. If we had the opportunity to talk to Grant and Ashley at the same time, what would you want us to ask them? Or what would you like? Any clarification on. Not necessarily you, you know, because it sounds like you got all the answers you need, but in terms of making sure that America fully understands the trut. What would you want us to ask Grant and. Or Ashley?

[Victoria Fuller]

I feel like I. I wouldn't have any questions for Ashley. I feel like more so with Grant. How much of him maybe knew that he was going to get back together with Ashley maybe in the future? You know, like, he made it seem very much so, like they were never going to really speak again, and that he was, like, like, way done with their relationship and he was dealing with, like, like the end of their relationship, but that it was, like, so toxic. But it's like, how much of you probably knew the entire time that he was going to go back together with her?

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Yeah, good question.

[Victoria Fuller]

Well, something like that.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. All right.

[Victoria Fuller]

Well, you can put your own twist on it.

[Nick Viall]

There you go. There was a moment when Grant tried to make you jealous right early on the season. It was like, right after the shower scene. And I was really proud of you because it was like, you. You were like, I'm not that girl that blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, look, she knows what's up. And then. But, like, you know, like 30 minutes later, you're like, ah. What? Like, do you. Is that a moment you, like, I know you're full sad. No. And, you know, hashtag no regrets and everything, but, like, is that a moment where you look back and think, you know, especially when Grant was talking about his relationship with Ashley, talking about how toxic it was. Didn't that make sense to think, oh, well, maybe he's at least a big part of why this relationship is toxic. Because here's here, you two are hitting off, and the first thing he wants to do is make you jealous by having another girl, like, take a shot off of him. And, like, I guess your instincts were great, right? Like, your reaction seemed, like, on point, but why do you feel like in that moment, you didn't trust your instincts?

[Victoria Fuller]

I think that I did trust my instincts right away, and I was fully aware of the fact that he is toxic and, like, is used to toxic behavior like this, this. But again, in real life, I think that situation would have played out differently, but because I was on a show to be a temptress and we were only halfway through is that I was kind of faced, I guess, with two options where it's like, okay, you know, I told him how I feel. I drew the line. But it's not like in real life where it's like, I'm gonna just hop on out of here. It's like, we're living in the same house. You know, we're still going to be going on dates and building a connection. And I felt like he reacted well to how I responded with how I felt about the situation and that I didn't like that, and I wasn't going to do that again. And I felt like because he reacted well, it was fine, I guess.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, that makes sense. I mean, I think the fact that you were on a TV show and you were still there to make TV kind of makes sense.

[Drew]

Did the guitar singing that he made a mistake and he heard us, girl, Ashley, like, right after y'all hook up. Was that not.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, when you found out he even brought a guitar to Temptation island, was that not a red flag?

[Victoria Fuller]

Was not really a fan of the guitar.

[Drew]

I honestly don't think any woman is. I don't care if you're John Mayer. Like, I don't want to sit and listen to you like, acapella sing in front of me with no other band members. Like, that scares me. Props to you. You sat. I mean, and he kept. He did not stop when you walked up. He kept on going.

[Victoria Fuller]

No, it was a performance. Performance of the century. For real? Yeah. There was nothing to do, to be fair. There was no tv, no phones or anything, but I personally would have rather done anything else or just, like, had a conversation. But there was a lot more of the guitar that didn't air. We wrote a song as a cast. They didn't air that.

[Drew]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, wow. And then where are you? Where are you now in your love life? Are you out there still maybe going back on Temptation island next season? Are you in love? Where are you at?

[Victoria Fuller]

I think I'm somewhere in between. I'm not in love, and I'm not seriously dating anyone. I am dating around here and there, but I'm probably not going back on Temptation Island. I mean, if they call me back, they need a temptress. I guess. I couldn't say no, but. But you never know.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, be careful what you say. They might. They might call you.

[Victoria Fuller]

I feel like a different show, maybe.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like it's unfair to say, but, like, I. I can't help but not be surprised that a girl from Arizona and a man from Florida was a little messy and a little toxic. Does that make sense to you, or is that. Are you offended by that statement?

[Victoria Fuller]

No, I'd say that feels right.

[Nick Viall]

All right, well, I'm glad we're on the same page. Natalie, thank you so much for taking the time. It was fun watching you. Thanks for the great television and appreciate your honesty.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. Thanks so much for having me on. It was great to virtually meet you guys.

[Nick Viall]

Likewise. Our pleasure. Have a great rest of your day.

[Victoria Fuller]

Thank you.

[Natalie]

Bye.

[Nick Viall]

Bye.

[Drew]

I used to wish my name was pronounced with a D. Natalie. Natalie.

[Nick Viall]

Natalie.

[Natalie]

Natalie.

[Drew]

Natalie.

[Nick Viall]

Natalie.

[Natalie]

I don't know why. Why?

[Drew]

I also used to tell everyone my real name was Bridget, and I went by Natalie, so.

[Natalie]

That's insane.

[Drew]

You never wanted your name to be something different? Different when you were a kid?

[Natalie]

No. Oh, I liked my name.

[Drew]

You had a good childhood. Good for you.

[Natalie]

And I'm Bridget. But I was just, you know, what's wondering? It's not even your middle name.

[Drew]

No, it's not. I don't know. Literally, I think I heard it in a movie or, like, a cool girl had her name Bridget. And I was like, I wish my name was.

[Nick Viall]

I wanted my name to be Elijah.

[Natalie]

Elijah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Wow. You never were like, what if my name was Nicole?

[Garcelle]

Or like, and, like, choosing a different name.

[Drew]

What was your go to when you'd play pretend?

[Garcelle]

Like, I'm 17 and my name is Vanessa.

[Drew]

Yeah. But I'm 12. Oh, my gosh.

[Natalie]

I think I always liked my name because it was like, nobody had my name.

[Drew]

She was one of those, I'm perfect.

[Nick Viall]

The way God made me. Literally.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Before we get into your session, that's not true. But this is just reminding me that I was talking to my dad yesterday on the phone, and he was like, like, randomly. He goes, and how do I find this podcast? Oh. And I was like, what podcast? He's like, the one that Nick has. And I was like, oh, you can find it on, like, YouTube. And he was like, and you're on it sometimes. And I was like, yeah, I am. And he was like, all right, is there. Should I just, like, listen to the most recent one? And I was thinking about. I'm like, I think the most recent one. I'm talking about anal. So. Yeah, you have the most recent. You know, I'll send you one that I feel like you'll like, thank God he doesn't know how to work the Internet, or I would be having some tough conversations.

[Nick Viall]

Dad's finally starting to care. That's nice.

[Natalie]

Yeah, he's starting to give it a listen.

[Drew]

I was like, well, you're like, maybe.

[Natalie]

Not the last time.

[Drew]

Listen to. We talk about any of them, please.

[Natalie]

Any of them, actually.

[Drew]

Yeah, listen to the ones I'm not on. That would be fun.

[Nick Viall]

Well, back to my favorite online obsession, the asmr. Asmr. Morning routine. Daily routine. Despite. I'm not believing he Needs to, like, work out with his Beamer or. I don't even know if it's a Beamer or Mercedes or whatever, but. Or. And I don't think I'll ever be wiping banana peels on my face. Post banana. I don't even like bananas. Yeah. Hates bananas. Every morning I give River a banana, so I could. I could use hers.

[Natalie]

But what's it for?

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. Good question, Justin. Can we find out what a banana peels wiped it on your face would do?

[Natalie]

Is it, like, enzymes?

[Nick Viall]

He does. He does tape his mouth shut at night and put, like, a nose strip. And I want to get back to doing that. I did that once and gave my wife the ick.

[Drew]

And then, because he did it with, like, duct tape, and I was like, this is kind of like, I'm holding you off.

[Natalie]

That's duct tape.

[Drew]

And I was like, hey, do you.

[Nick Viall]

Want to talking tape?

[Natalie]

I don't think we should do that because I think that it's better.

[Nick Viall]

It's better for your health and heart.

[Natalie]

I know, but I think the mouth tape is, like, still breathable in and out. I think the.

[Drew]

The duct tape, you could use Scotch tape.

[Nick Viall]

I used Scotch tape. It was a little strip up and down. Oh, yeah, it was. I didn't know how, but he was.

[Drew]

Definitely like, we can't talk at night because my mouth tape on, you know, And I was like, I want to say right now.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Suddenly I want to talk to you.

[Drew]

Suddenly I have a lot to say.

[Natalie]

I. I want to try the mouth tape.

[Nick Viall]

It's supposed to be really good, like, mouth breathers, and sadly, I'm one of them.

[Natalie]

Are you?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Interesting.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I've been worse. I've gotten better.

[Natalie]

Have you seen the chin transformations of that? It's like.

[Drew]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I got one of those jaw things, too. Also gave my wife the ick.

[Natalie]

What. What's the jaw thing? Thing?

[Nick Viall]

It's like a exercise. The jaw. It's like this gummy thing, and you're.

[Natalie]

Why are you doing it? Why?

[Drew]

You could just say that you chew it.

[Natalie]

He's showing me. So you put it in your mouth and you physically have to chew it?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, you kind of. It's like.

[Natalie]

It's like, oh, is it in the front of your mouth like this?

[Nick Viall]

It's like exercise.

[Drew]

Is it the, like, bone?

[Natalie]

What does it do, just give you a sculpture?

[Nick Viall]

It strengthens your jaw.

[Drew]

For what?

[Nick Viall]

It gives you a better jawline.

[Natalie]

Okay. That's what we're doing.

[Drew]

Also.

[Nick Viall]

It's supposed to help with your Breathing. It's supposed to help with your. Just like your whole.

[Natalie]

Okay, I get that. So no plastic surgery. We just need to chew on you just.

[Drew]

Yeah, he's got.

[Nick Viall]

Well, if the option's surgery or like, chewing on something for a couple weeks, wouldn't you go?

[Natalie]

No, that's what I mean. So that's why you're doing it.

[Nick Viall]

I haven't done it yet.

[Drew]

Oh.

[Nick Viall]

But watching his video, I was like, I need to get back. I was just saying I was influenced. I was. I'm just saying, despite all the things he showed me, that I was like, this is stupid and ridiculous and I don't need a goyard bag while I go work out. No, I mean, I definitely do, but, like, not. I don't. I wouldn't take that goyard back to the track or the gym.

[Natalie]

I take my goyard everywhere.

[Nick Viall]

I also wouldn't hand it to my friend and then have them take it to the car for me.

[Natalie]

I'm gonna hire Natalie to do that one day. It's just gonna be her hand.

[Drew]

Perfect. People are gonna be like, that's definitely Natalie. She hasn't had a manicure in 42 years.

[Nick Viall]

But I don't want to mouth breathe anymore.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Do you have any morning routines that are. Might be unique to you that you think. Think could better the world?

[Natalie]

I mean, she wakes up, she lets the dogs out.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Let's go through that morning routine.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Because we've talked about this, so I.

[Nick Viall]

Was really inspired by it.

[Natalie]

Were you?

[Nick Viall]

I think it's.

[Natalie]

Well, you were like, wait, so.

[Nick Viall]

So your day starts at one, you were saying?

[Drew]

And then I finally.

[Nick Viall]

And then it's 1:30pm and I'm finally ready. Huh.

[Natalie]

My morning routine takes quite a while. About five hours.

[Nick Viall]

Can we walk through it? It's really quiet. Why? It's. And it's aspirational.

[Natalie]

Okay. So I wake up at six with the dogs. I go downstairs, I feed them first, and then I take them out and then I go back to bed.

[Drew]

And 6am's early.

[Natalie]

6Am is a little too early. Too early. So I go back to bed for a little bit. Then I wake up.

[Nick Viall]

What time are we at?

[Natalie]

I think we're at like maybe eight.

[Drew]

I'll push it to eight.

[Natalie]

So then I wake up at eight. Eight. And I meditate just like Ashton does. Yeah.

[Drew]

For how long?

[Natalie]

For about 30 minutes.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Is that. Are you lying down again or are we.

[Natalie]

What do you mean? Oh, yeah, I'm lying down for sure.

[Nick Viall]

Back in bed?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I'm back in bed.

[Drew]

I am back in bed at this point. Never got out.

[Nick Viall]

So before 9am You've had two naps.

[Garcelle]

I want your schedule.

[Natalie]

And this is serious stuff.

[Drew]

Okay, where did I go wrong?

[Nick Viall]

Life's going great for you and you look great. Great. And apparently when you go to the bars, you make my wife look ugly. So, like, it's honestly working. So true.

[Drew]

It's true.

[Natalie]

I'm not done yet.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I'm sorry. And then I wake up from your second nap.

[Natalie]

I meditate for 30 minutes and then I pray.

[Nick Viall]

No, I don't laugh. That's very serious.

[Natalie]

No, seriously. And then I pray and then I. And then I get ready, I take a shower and. Oh, yeah. And then I journal. And then.

[Nick Viall]

Have you been watching his videos?

[Natalie]

No, I swear.

[Nick Viall]

Because he also wakes up early, meditates. Praise journals.

[Natalie]

Well, I mean, I think common morning. It's a common morning routine. And then I do my face routine. I shower.

[Drew]

I do.

[Natalie]

I shower twice a day. So I shower once in the morning and then at night, but the morning one. And then I do my face routine and then I go to Pilates at 11.

[Drew]

And it is 1 o'clock.

[Natalie]

It is 11.

[Drew]

Shower.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Drew]

Shower and then go work out. Okay.

[Natalie]

I take two showers a day.

[Drew]

I have like, very clean.

[Natalie]

Yeah, this like, weird thing. I have to shower twice a day.

[Drew]

You won't find Victoria smelling.

[Natalie]

No, you will not. I'll smell like Leilabo Noir 29.

[Drew]

Yes, you will.

[Natalie]

That is yours at all times.

[Drew]

Anytime I smell that scent, I'm like, victoria Filler's here. Yeah, she has walked in the room.

[Natalie]

So that's my morning routine. And then I come home around 12:30 and then that's when I start my work day.

[Drew]

You get on and she gets on emails and I do get on emails.

[Natalie]

And I have to answer a lot of them. Of course.

[Drew]

Of course. That's my favorite thing.

[Natalie]

I sound like I don't do anything, but I really do.

[Drew]

You are busy.

[Natalie]

I am very busy.

[Drew]

You don't answer your phone.

[Nick Viall]

I do not want your life. Let's just keep it real.

[Natalie]

I'm on do not disturb a lot because I have a lot going on, but I prioritize my mental health.

[Drew]

You do. You have. You're in. You have a lot of therapy sessions.

[Natalie]

I do, Yes, I do.

[Nick Viall]

So is your therapist guilt you into therapy sometimes?

[Natalie]

No, actually, she like does this thing where she'll be like, so when do you want to come back? In like a month. And I'm like, tomorrow. Are you saying I'm all healed up or what's going on here?

[Drew]

You think I'm perfect?

[Natalie]

She literally will be like, how do we feel? Like, two weeks out, three weeks. And I'm like, no, we're on a tight schedule.

[Drew]

Yeah, I will see you tomorrow.

[Natalie]

We're on a tight schedule here, Hannah. I will be back Wednesday.

[Nick Viall]

Our couple, this is the opposite. He'll text, and he'll be like, so, haven't seen you guys in a couple weeks. Is everything okay?

[Natalie]

Ye.

[Drew]

There's no way it is.

[Natalie]

He's like, because I know it's not.

[Nick Viall]

I really think Thursday is really good for all of us. I'm like, I. I'm like, I guess we have to go to therapy. This.

[Natalie]

You're like, I'm not sure. Is anything wrong?

[Nick Viall]

And then we'll show up. And I'm like, things have been. Yeah. We're like, you know, busy, but good. You know? And he's like, you know, but he's.

[Drew]

Like, well, last time you were here, it says, I wrote down a couple notes. It said, Natalie wasn't feeling seen and Nick wasn't getting enough sex. So do you want to open that up again or, like.

[Natalie]

No, I thought we got past that.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I thought we were healed, but sure. You know, now that you bring it up, I am pissed again.

[Natalie]

Isn't that funny?

[Drew]

Yeah, it is. He does, like.

[Nick Viall]

He's like, I'm seeing something here between the two. Yeah.

[Natalie]

What's going on here? What's this dynamic?

[Drew]

And then he'll be like, maybe some physical touch would be nice.

[Natalie]

You're like, I didn't even think about it.

[Drew]

And he'll, like, wait for a second.

[Nick Viall]

And then now that you're telling me to do it, I don't want to do it. So, like, this feels forced.

[Drew]

Nick will, like, reach out and, like, put his hand on my hand, and we're like, yeah, do you like this?

[Nick Viall]

Is this good enough? Do you like this?

[Natalie]

And then you're like, almost fine. Finding problems at that point because you're.

[Drew]

Like, wow, silence in there. So, yeah, you start thinking of, like, well, I guess, like, he did forget the bananas at the grocery store. And, like, I was really annoyed.

[Nick Viall]

Which we've learned that, like, if we are going into couples therapy, feeling pretty good about us now, we just.

[Natalie]

Yeah. What do you talk about when you feel well?

[Nick Viall]

No, because we know our couple's therapy is just gonna, like, start something.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

That we are. Aren't aware of.

[Natalie]

Prepared for.

[Nick Viall]

So now, right before, we'll sit in her car 10 minutes later and just Start throwing jabs at each other.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Nick Viall]

So that way we're really pissed off walking in, and instead of feeling like we were feeling better, you know, coming in than going out, now we definitely feel better going out than coming in.

[Natalie]

But it's also like, maybe we just don't go for, like, until there's this.

[Drew]

Whenever Nick said cheers to lifting things up.

[Nick Viall]

Context.

[Drew]

Wait, on a Valentine's Day, he said, cheers to lifting things up. Was referring to my titties.

[Nick Viall]

Had this fun game.

[Drew]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Of deciding.

[Natalie]

No, you didn't.

[Nick Viall]

How was the story?

[Natalie]

No, he didn't. No, he didn't.

[Drew]

Wait, I want to hear the whole story. Why would you remember the story?

[Natalie]

Why would you say that?

[Nick Viall]

Because now I decided to do a roast cheers on Valentine's Day, and she.

[Natalie]

Went first to the roast of Nick Viel.

[Nick Viall]

And she was like, oh, I wish.

[Natalie]

I was present for that.

[Nick Viall]

For an entire day, she made me think that I had a bald spot on my head.

[Natalie]

No, you didn't. I'd love that.

[Drew]

I said, cheers to wearing hats. He was like, what?

[Natalie]

He's like, what's that supposed to mean? You're like, you figure it out.

[Nick Viall]

So then I said, cheers to lifting things. I can't do this. I can't. I cannot.

[Natalie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick Viall]

It was brutal.

[Natalie]

That's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

See, we love each other.

[Natalie]

Yeah, you do. You definitely do.

[Nick Viall]

We like to, you know, shake it up.

[Natalie]

I like when couples on each other. Other.

[Drew]

I do, too. But a lot of our think that I'm, like, really mean to Nick and that. Really? Yeah.

[Natalie]

Nick did call us bullies yesterday.

[Drew]

Well, that's because he couldn't spell anything. And you were like, I don't know what you're trying to say. Please give me a call.

[Natalie]

Yeah. We're in a group text, and Nick's trying to communicate something. And I was like, this is after.

[Nick Viall]

I text a man named Victor instead of you.

[Drew]

He did. He sent that sizzle. And I was like, nick, you sent that to Victor?

[Nick Viall]

I got a lot going on.

[Drew]

And then. Yeah. He said, everyone, you know, you all know some. Ask Nick on Instagram. His. His typing.

[Natalie]

Oh, you're typing.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You are a good communicator. In person via text, not so much. So I was like, I don't know what you're trying to tell me right now. I was like, but maybe just call me later. And then he did it again. He's trying to. He tried to tell me what he was saying.

[Drew]

Just ignore me. And he was like, I. You ignore me. I wrist it Sounds like a robot speaking. And so we were just giggling at him.

[Natalie]

Yeah. And he didn't like it. He did not like it. Called us bullies. We're not bullies. We love you.

[Nick Viall]

We do.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we do.

[Drew]

Well, so that's that.

[Nick Viall]

Anything you want to say before you go, wow, who do you think is the murderer in White Lotus?

[Natalie]

Gosh.

[Nick Viall]

And who do you think dies?

[Natalie]

I think that the mom dies. Boys.

[Nick Viall]

Parker Posey.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I hope.

[Natalie]

Really. Or maybe the daughter.

[Nick Viall]

No, I, I don't.

[Natalie]

Because it's not going to be somebody that we're like happy about dying.

[Nick Viall]

That is true.

[Natalie]

I think it's going to be somebody that we're like. Like I like.

[Nick Viall]

Because season one, it was like the maitre d guy that we all loved who was like.

[Natalie]

And then it was Jennifer Coolidge.

[Nick Viall]

Jennifer Coolidge.

[Natalie]

I think it's going to be somebody that we like. And we're going to be like, that sucks. And I think it's. The murder is probably going to be like one of the sons maybe.

[Drew]

I feel like that's too on the nose.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Drew]

Yeah. What if it's like the girlfriend of Greg that's dead that kills someone cuz she's like trying to stay with him.

[Nick Viall]

They are setting up Patrick Schwarzenegger's character for just having an absolute mental break. They are jerked off. His brother jerked him off. Off. His. His idol, his dad is about to like go to jail.

[Drew]

That's true.

[Natalie]

I was thinking maybe the younger brother was gonna be the killer. No.

[Nick Viall]

Because he went to a Buddhist temple right after he jerked off.

[Natalie]

I know, but he's having a. No.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Now he's having a crisis. Yeah. I think he's like freaking out a little bit where he's like, this is not good. What did I do? And I think he's gonna have a mental breakdown and they're gonna. Yeah, I think it's gonna be the brother. The younger brother. Other.

[Drew]

We'll see.

[Victoria Fuller]

Guess.

[Nick Viall]

And when are you gonna finally watch Severance?

[Drew]

Oh my God.

[Natalie]

I'm gonna watch it tonight. And I'll be back tomorrow.

[Drew]

And you'll never get rid of me.

[Natalie]

And I will be back every day.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we will be back tomorrow for maybe the most special episode of all time. It'll certainly be fun. Wild. It's a going deeper episode that so many of you have been anticipating, wanting, asking for. And we are glad we were able to deliver that is tomorrow. We will see you then. Look for our. We. We'll. We'll be teasing it tonight. Tomorrow's episode Justin's like, huh? Tonight. Yeah. See. Keep up. We're ahead. We're ahead. The highly anticipated Going Deeper episode tomorrow. It's going to be great. We'll see you then. Bye Bye.

[Drew]

Foreign.

[Nick Viall]

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