E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files – Episode E912

Release Date: April 3, 2025

Hosts: Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, and the Household

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1. Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" – Plot Hole Discussion

The episode kicks off with a spirited critique of Disney's classic "Beauty and the Beast." Nick Viall expresses his frustration with the movie’s timeline and character development, questioning the prince’s isolation and the lack of backstory regarding his parents.

• Nick (01:13): "We watched it last night with River. We decided to cuddle up in bed. It's fun. It was cute. It was great. I haven't seen it in a long time. Good movie. Yeah, but in the beginning of the movie, the story is, is like, the young prince was like, kind of a prick."

• Mary (02:10): "I looked up a guide to the plot holes in Beauty and the Beast, and the first one is 10 years we've been rusting. How old was this prince?"

The hosts delve into discrepancies such as the prince's age, the absence of his parents, and the vague passage of time, highlighting inconsistencies that Disney often overlooks in their storytelling.

2. Predicting the "White Lotus" Finale

Transitioning from Disney, the conversation shifts to HBO's "White Lotus." The hosts and guests dissect potential outcomes for the finale, offering theories on character fates and unresolved plotlines.

• Nick (11:37): "The most obvious finale would be that Shritala, the owner of the hotel, is going to send the police back to the White Lotus, the hotel that everyone is at, to get Rick because he pointed the gun at her husband."

They humorously predict a chaotic climax involving police intervention, character confrontations, and possible deaths, while expressing excitement for the upcoming finale.

3. Reality Recap – Is This a Reality TV Scandal or a Crime Show Scandal?

In the "Reality Recap" segment, the hosts engage in a game where they list scandals and guess whether they originated from reality TV or scripted crime shows.

• Guest Giacomo Gianotti (57:06): "Helping your husband fake cancer. I'm gonna go real on that one."

Examples discussed include scenarios like character deaths resembling real-life crimes, blending fictional narratives with reality TV antics. The segment is filled with humor and insightful comparisons between different media portrayals of scandals.

4. Interview with Giacomo Gianotti – "Wild Cards" and Acting Insights

Giacomo Gianotti, known for his roles in "Grey's Anatomy" and "Wild Cards," joins the show to discuss his latest projects and experiences in the acting world.

• Nick (33:37): "He is with us to talk about season two of Wild Cards. And also next week, I believe Kyle Richards makes an appearance on Wild Cards."

Giacomo shares his excitement about working alongside reality TV star Kyle Richards, his transition from medical dramas to more diverse roles, and the challenges of acting in both scripted and reality-based shows. He touches upon his upcoming season of "Wild Cards," his personal hobbies like cycling, and his aspirations for future roles, including biopics about historical figures.

• Giacomo (46:12): "I have bipolar and other mental illnesses in my family, so it was something very close to me."

He provides a deep dive into his character preparation, especially portraying complex mental health issues, highlighting the importance of authenticity and personal connection in his performances.

5. Interview with Eliza Schlesinger – Stand-Up Comedy and Personal Growth

Comedian Eliza Schlesinger takes the spotlight to discuss her new stand-up special, "A Different Animal," and shares personal anecdotes about relationships and motherhood.

• Eliza (74:08): "I have a podcast called Ask Eliza Anything. We do live tapings, and it is the podcast where the listeners are the guests."

Eliza narrates her journey from experiencing a deceitful relationship to channeling that turmoil into her art. She emphasizes the therapeutic nature of comedy and storytelling in overcoming personal struggles.

• Eliza (82:38): "I am a smart enough to acknowledge that it was a crazy thing that happened."

Discussing her role as a mother, Eliza touches upon balancing her career with family life, offering humorous and heartfelt insights into parenting challenges and the joys of motherhood.

6. "Real Housewives" Reunion and Drama Analysis

The hosts analyze the latest "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" reunion, focusing on the fallout between cast members and the overarching drama that has unfolded throughout the season.

• Mary (15:22): "Justice for Sutton and Garcelle."

They discuss specific incidents, such as accusations between Garcelle and other cast members, the handling of personal conflicts on camera, and the impact of production pressures on genuine relationships among the cast.

• Nick (15:27): "Listen, I'm glad that Garcelle stood by her opinion."

The conversation also touches on the dynamic between Garcelle and other formidable personalities like Bose, predicting potential future conflicts and alliances within the franchise.

7. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Episodes

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease upcoming content, including celebrity interviews in the "Going Deeper" episodes and highlight the continued blend of relationship advice, pop culture analysis, and reality TV recaps that define "The Viall Files."

• Nick (85:52): "It's a lot of fun."

They encourage listeners to tune in for future episodes, promising engaging discussions and insider perspectives on the latest trends in dating, relationships, and reality television.

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Conclusion

Episode E912 of "The Viall Files" offers a comprehensive blend of pop culture critique, insightful celebrity interviews, and engaging games that keep listeners entertained and informed. From dissecting beloved movies like "Beauty and the Beast" to predicting the twists in "White Lotus" and enjoying candid conversations with guests like Giacomo Gianotti and Eliza Schlesinger, the episode encapsulates the essence of Nick Viall's approach to exploring love, life, and the ever-evolving landscape of reality TV.

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Notable Quotes:

• Nick on Disney's Plot Holes (02:10): "I looked up a guide to the plot holes in Beauty and the Beast, and the first one is 10 years we've been rusting. How old was this prince?"

• Giacomo on Character Depth (46:12): "I have bipolar and other mental illnesses in my family, so it was something very close to me."

• Eliza on Personal Growth (84:43): "The whole thing took place maybe over two years. So let's say I was like 32 or 33."

• Nick on Turning Personal Struggles into Art (84:43): "What started out as this very angry, vengeful thing turned into art that, in the end, really wasn't about him as much as, like, a comedic exploration of something."

This detailed summary captures the key discussions, insights, and entertaining moments from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Eliza Schlesinger]

You'Re crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I am your host, Nick and I have a small bone to pick with the movie Beauty and the Beast.

[Producer]

Oh, my goodness.

[Nick]

We watched it last night with River. We decided to cuddle up in bed. It's fun. It was cute. It was great. I haven't seen it in a long time. Good movie. Yeah, but in the beginning of the movie, the story is, is like, the young prince was like, kind of a prick. And then the witch came, turned him into a beast, yada, yada, yada. And then they're like, then there's this flower that wilts away. And then on his 21st birthday, like, he has to fall in love or he's a beast forever.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And then they're like, as the years have gone by, and I'm like, wait, are you telling me, like, how old was this prince when he answered the door by himself and a witch showed up? Like, where. Where is his parents? No mention he this. What? How many years went by? You know what I'm saying? Like, they made it seem like his 21st birthday.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Mary]

That's not wrong. I looked up a guide to the plot holes in Beauty and the Beast, and the first one is 10 years we've been rusting. How old was this prince?

[Guest]

Eleven. He was just a boy.

[Nick]

Yeah, the witch turned him into a beast just because he was a spoiled little brat.

[Producer]

Well, if we want to, like, get into it, Snow White was 14 and Ariel was 15.

[Guest]

Yeah, Disney do better.

[Nick]

I mean, I'm not like, fine, I get it. They're teenage. I'm just saying, why is this prince alone in a castle by himself with a bunch of servants?

[Producer]

Do they specify how many years go by?

[Nick]

They just, they said as the years Gone by, like, implying 30.

[Guest]

You know, like, maybe he ages differently in beast years.

[Mary]

Well, so Lumiere and Be our guest says, for 10 years we've been resting.

[Nick]

10 years.

[Producer]

Oh, so 10 years.

[Nick]

So he was 11.

[Producer]

10.

[Nick]

No.

[Producer]

Because he's not 21 yet.

[Guest]

He's not 21 yet. Oh, well, in Game of Thrones, that little boy prince sucked, and he was what, like 13?

[Producer]

Maybe 12?

[Guest]

So he was a product of period.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Producer]

Ages were different.

[Guest]

You know, this is the past.

[Co-host]

Nick was like, where is the king and queen?

[Producer]

He did turn into a beast for.

[Guest]

10 years and they didn't care.

[Producer]

I'm like, think about just, like, Growing Pains, you know, And I snapped at you, and I don't know why. Maybe we couldn't add that. Maybe he ate them. Disney has tragic family or parents dying stories in every movie.

[Nick]

As river gets older and we go back and rewatch some movies, you know, I'm paying attention. Disney.

[Co-host]

Does anyone remember the movie Spirit with that horse?

[Mary]

The saddest one ever to exist with the horses. That movie is so sad.

[Nick]

Horse movies are so sad.

[Co-host]

First of all, Nick was like, I've never heard of that movie. Second of all, I can't find it anywhere.

[Mary]

I have it on dvd.

[Nick]

You want a horse movie? And cry Black Stallion.

[Producer]

I also have it on tv, dvd.

[Co-host]

But it's not on any. And, like, when was it made? I thought it was made in the 90s.

[Mary]

2002.

[Co-host]

It was two.

[Mary]

And it's also on Peacock.

[Producer]

It's DreamWorks, I think.

[Nick]

Right? It's on Peacock.

[Mary]

That's what it says.

[Nick]

There you go, babe.

[Producer]

If you really want to revisit that and cry, I think.

[Co-host]

No, I think Nick's dad, like, showed me a clip of it. I'm like, that's not it. That looks way too, like, animated.

[Mary]

They did remake it, though, recently. So there's two versions of it now.

[Guest]

They'Ve remade since Spirit.

[Producer]

We need an animation remake.

[Co-host]

No, it's like a real horse. I get way more.

[Guest]

What?

[Co-host]

Well.

[Mary]

Well, there's that. That one's sad, too.

[Nick]

Then Nally, before you turn on Beauty and the Beast, turned on the Lion King 2. And then she turned it on. I was like, wow, this is low budge. They really mailed this one in.

[Guest]

Not too much on the Lion King.

[Nick]

I don't think we need to, like, do sequels for animated movies.

[Guest]

Well, direct to video. Direct to home video. Sequels, raised children.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Guest]

To be fair, at least me, yeah. Lion King one and a half. You get Timon and Pumbaa just, like, goofing off. And then Lion King 2, you get Scar's hot child.

[Co-host]

Wait, you didn't get there far. We didn't get there.

[Guest]

That's the whole thing of Lion King too. Or like a nephew. I haven't seen it since I was young. But it's like Simba.

[Nick]

It's like Simba's my daughter won't be allowed to watch.

[Guest]

And then like scars and scars kid is like emo.

[Producer]

Well, why start off on live action? Because those aren't much better.

[Nick]

Rob Minkoff had nothing to do with the Lion King too. He wouldn't. He would not make such low quality. I hope that's. Can we make sure he's not in the credits?

[Co-host]

I was going to say he owns.

[Producer]

Everything that has to do.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I stand by.

[Guest]

It's a good movie.

[Nick]

You grew up on the Lion King too.

[Guest]

I had it on DVD for some reason. Like obviously Lion King was the preferred.

[Nick]

Sure.

[Guest]

But sometimes you watch Lion King enough and you're like.

[Nick]

Just like the opening sequence. It's like these are not the same quality animals.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Guest]

I also like the Santa Claus too. More than the first Santa Claus?

[Mary]

Yeah. The second one's better.

[Nick]

That was pretty. That was pretty good.

[Guest]

You get Toy center, you get Molly.

[Nick]

Shannon Fievel goes west better than American Tail, period.

[Producer]

I don't know. He was the video game co director on the Lion King 2. Simba's Pride. So something tells me he has a hand in Lion King 2.

[Co-host]

It is Simba's Pride. He didn't direct much.

[Producer]

He didn't direct it, but he had. He's. He was associated.

[Mary]

He was at the Mufasa premiere.

[Nick]

I only saw this first three minutes. Maybe. Maybe it gets better now. Now that I'm getting everyone mad at me. A lot of people are also mad at me after having Joel Kim Booster on in particular.

[Producer]

Can't we all just move on and get along?

[Co-host]

If I'm Shannon, I. Shannon, I think Shanhol disappoint.

[Nick]

I. Listen, I. I wasn't taking back. I just didn't feel the need to like crucify the guy. He said he was sorry.

[Co-host]

It was more so just like you were so. We all were so harsh on him.

[Nick]

I was really. I said something really hard.

[Co-host]

And then whenever he's sitting in front of you, it was just very like, hehe, haha. You're my bestie. We're all good. Not a lot of like.

[Nick]

Like we are all good.

[Co-host]

Sure. Personally. But like to the audience it seems very. You could have been like, listen man, like still don't agree with your choice of words and the things that I didn't agree.

[Nick]

He said he was, like, wrong for doing. I'm supposed to put him on trial after that.

[Producer]

And he was a fun guess.

[Nick]

He was.

[Guest]

I love Joel.

[Nick]

I just don't see the need to. You know, it's just like, well, I'm sorry. Well, just so you know. You know, like, sometimes when people are like, I don't want to like, Litia, it. You know, where it was like, Grant's like, my bad. And then she's just like, just so you know. Am I. You know, it's just like, what do you want me to. Like, it's not my. Not my fight, you know, Like, I still agree it was really harsh and really inappropriate for him to say. He said as much. What? Like, I don't. Like, what, am I supposed to ban him from the show forever?

[Mary]

Because I think you handled it well out of respect for Joel being in person. But I could see why Shannon might be like, wait, didn't he just have my back? And now I still have flip flopping.

[Co-host]

When he's in front.

[Nick]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not agreeing with Joe's choices of words against Shannon. But, like, he says he. He was sorry.

[Producer]

I was like, shannon's my queen. But, like, I will say, I very much enjoyed Joel.

[Guest]

I believe in giving everyone grace. You know, Joel can. Booster and Shannon Beador.

[Nick]

Are we, like, let's. We've all said things in the heat of the moment. Has Shannon not said things to people and have to apologize? Are we, like, we no longer friends with these people? Like, come on.

[Mary]

I'm curious if she'll say something because he made it sound like they're fully made up, but I've never seen, like, a.

[Nick]

Well, he didn't make it seem like they were fully made up, but it. It was like a, you know, I apologize. We may never be. But, like, I. I felt like it was like, you know, we've moved on.

[Producer]

Oh, yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

He.

[Producer]

He taught me a new word in that sentence. Reticence. But he said, I understand her reticence and not accepting it at face value or like, maybe thinking that it's not as genuine. But he did apologize.

[Nick]

Like, I don't know. So.

[Guest]

Great word, right? It's like Deres saying intimate.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Shannon, if you're listening, Natalie, Natalie has your back. She.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

She.

[Co-host]

She thinks that's why. I was sitting very stoically for a while, and then I said, and what is your relationship like with Shannon? Today because I wanted to hear what he was gonna say about my girl Shan. And he was. He was polite.

[Nick]

I mean, you know, what are you gonna do? Also, Tom Sandoval and Victoria were on Going Deeper yesterday. If you haven't listened, you should check it out. What did you. Natalie was not here and it wasn't because of the last interview. I felt like I'm happy for him. I feel like people, time to move on. He seems to be doing some work. I'm not saying he's like this completely changed man, but I. I will say I think you could do far, far worse than having a friend like Tom. I do. He's definitely not perfect. Not sure I would still want him to date my sister or anything like that, you know, but I don't know, he's growing.

[Producer]

He's got Victoria to keep him in line. You know, I'm glad that they're happy and I think it's a good interview.

[Nick]

I think you guys should check it out if you haven't listened to it already. I mean, the man's. You wanted the guy to take accountability. You wanted him to make some meaningful in his life. And you can decide for yourself whether he's done that. So who else have we pissed off.

[Producer]

This week or this year?

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Producer]

Well, who do we have on today? Let's see who we could piss off today.

[Nick]

Well, our guest today, it's a fun episode. We have Giacomo. You know him from Grey's Anatomy and Wild Cards. I'm not even nervous to say his last name. I'm very nervous to say his last name. How do you say his last name?

[Producer]

Giacomo Gianotti. Gianotti.

[Nick]

Giacomo Gianotti. You just gotta just say it, right? Giacomo Giannote.

[Co-host]

Can you say it without an accent? Do you?

[Nick]

I don't think I can say it with an accent. You have to.

[Mary]

It's a double line.

[Guest]

Yeah, he's from.

[Producer]

You know, you're getting the accents right, you know.

[Nick]

Did his parents just know he was going to be sexy?

[Producer]

Probably.

[Guest]

Probably.

[Nick]

You can't. You can't name your kid Giacomo without.

[Producer]

Being like, you gotta be hot in Italian alliteration. Yeah, it doesn't get much hotter than that. Jacquemore Giannoti.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Producer]

For sure.

[Nick]

He is with us to talk about season two of Wild Cards. And also next week, I believe Kyle Richards makes an appearance on Wild Cards. So it'll be fun to talk with him, obviously reminisce about his time on Grey's Anatomy, which I know many of you Were big, big fans of. Also we got Eliza Schlesinger with us as well. I'm sure you've seen a lot of her stand up. She's got a new stand up out now on Amazon and we are very excited to talk with later in the episode. We watched White Lotus in preparation for the finale, which I guess is like 90 minutes long. It is like that. I really.

[Co-host]

Yeah, we need a good, long finale.

[Nick]

You need to make sure we're covering all our holes. Natalie thought she had cracked the case.

[Co-host]

Crack the case. And I'm scrolling on TikTok and it's like one after the other. And I'm reading the comments and everyone's like, I thought of this. Me and my husband were saying this. I think it's like the most obvious. So that's why I feel like maybe they won't do it, you know, because it is like the most obvious.

[Nick]

Anyways. Give the people the obvious.

[Co-host]

So the obvious finale would be that Shritala, the owner of the hotel, is going to send the police back to the White Lotus, the hotel that everyone is at, to get Rick because he pointed the gun at her husband. He pushed her husband over. She realizes he's not who he said he was. She sends the police to the White Lotus and we have Valentin and his, like, Russian friends who did the robbery. We found out. They are all like, oh, my God, the police are coming for us. We have Timothy Ratliff, the father, who is like, oh, my God, they're coming for me, for my taxes, who keeps.

[Nick]

Fantasizing about killing himself and his entire family.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Correct?

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Nick]

Was he going to do that? Like he went to go get the gun.

[Guest]

I think he was.

[Nick]

He was like, ready to go. You know what? Fuck these people. Yeah, that's dark.

[Co-host]

He was like, they don't. They can't live in this world. I guess I'll take him out. Then we have Greg, who is going to be like, oh, my God, Belinda called the police on me. And I think mayhem is going to ensue and everyone's going to be just like going crazy, shooting. Guns are everywhere. Guns are flying and that.

[Nick]

Who do you least want to die?

[Co-host]

Who do I least want to die?

[Guest]

Rick's girlfriend, Amy Louis.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Oh, Amy Louis.

[Producer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

Rick and her.

[Guest]

I love. I'm a Rick Stan.

[Nick]

I'm a huge Rick.

[Guest]

Stan Walton Goggins. I. I got to watch Righteous Dragons.

[Nick]

I'm glad he got closure. You've never seen it? No, I watched the first season.

[Guest]

I know the song from it.

[Nick]

But yeah, no, I'm. I'm Team Rick. He's really. He's been on a journey. I think he's turned a corner in his life.

[Guest]

He did get his friend to relapse. That's not great.

[Nick]

He didn't get his friend to relapse. His friend relapsed.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Producer]

Because he put him in a very stressful situation.

[Co-host]

Zero information about, like, what the job was. And she's like, oh, what movies have you seen him?

[Mary]

That was the biggest. That was the biggest setup.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I felt that.

[Producer]

I felt that in my bones. I was like, I too would be like, I'll take a whiskey. What?

[Guest]

Yeah. Also, the only time Rick has ever felt joy was watching all of this. Like, just watching this.

[Mary]

Drugs and sex.

[Guest]

Drugs and sex and rock and roll. And you know what? Good for him.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Because he's not going to make it out.

[Nick]

I don't think I'll be really sad if Rick dies.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Also like the. The Ratliff younger siblings. This. The daughter, you know, we don't need them to die.

[Producer]

I don't want Belinda to die.

[Co-host]

I don't want Belinda to die either.

[Nick]

Belinda. Rat mom.

[Producer]

No, the. Onto Gary or Greg or whatever his name is.

[Nick]

I don't think.

[Producer]

I don't want her to, but. And her son's there, but remember the whole first episode, the son's in the session with the therapist and then I.

[Nick]

Think it's time for Greg to die. He's been.

[Producer]

I'd be okay.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it's been too much. If we were going to keep anyone, we could have kept Jennifer Coolidge.

[Nick]

Well, the only thing that was really triggering for me. And I hope that our kids aren't like, you know, like Patrick Schwarzenegger's character when he was like, my whole life is like, wrapped up in this. Like, I don't know what is in our kids futures. I just hope they're resilient. And I hope that if their world crumbles around them, they get the fuck back up. They dust themselves up and they just move the fuck on and figure it the fuck out. And if that means they have to start over because mom and dad lost everything, so fucking be it.

[Co-host]

Oh, my God. A lot of F bombs.

[Nick]

I'm just saying. I don't know, like, we're not gonna raise weak people who are just obsessed with our success.

[Producer]

It is kind of interesting, like, look into nepotism in a different form, like, because you usually think about it in the entertainment industry, but I'm like, seeing it as like a corporate, like, oh, my dad has to be successful because I'm successful. If my dad's successful, my dad's not successful. I'm not. Or, like, I don't know what I'm going to do with my life. And it's just like, wow.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Producer]

Glad I'm not in that situation.

[Guest]

I'm a succession. Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, Beverly Hills Housewives reunion, part one is out. What do we think? What do we think?

[Mary]

Justice for Sutton and Garcelle.

[Guest]

Really?

[Nick]

Why?

[Mary]

I mean, the one thing that I'm like, I'll back off on is I've said it before. I wish Garcelle didn't bring up the robbery again. That being said, everything else I'm.

[Nick]

Listen, I, I, I'm glad that Garcelle stood by her opinion. You know, I mean, like, and I.

[Co-host]

And you with Joel Kim Booster.

[Mary]

As Garcelle said, don't put words in my mouth.

[Nick]

Yeah, I didn't stand. What did I. I said some really hard about him. I just felt like it was a little.

[Co-host]

You were just, like, really quick to apologize and be like, I'm so sorry. We're best friends.

[Nick]

Apologize. By saying what I said, I was.

[Producer]

Like, to be fair, didn't Joel come for you at the beginning of being like, hey, like, you said some mean things about me. I don't know if I want to come. You had to finesse that, too.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, list. He. He did his homework, and he went. He's like, you know, we had an opportunity to get him on, and then he went back and listened, and I was like, yeah, sorry. You know, it's. I got a little spicy.

[Co-host]

It's okay. We don't have to go back. I was just making it. It really wasn't that. It really wasn't that. But it is hard to watch Garcelle really, like, hold strong on that when it clearly was very traumatic for Dorit and her family. And then to still just, like, question the, like, well, he left your phone and, like, the alarm system being off.

[Nick]

It's like, all I'm saying is Garcelle's not the only person exactly that group who thinks and says that. And she's just the only one who has the guts to say it out loud.

[Producer]

And, you know, it's giving a lot of context as to why she left, though. Like, even just seeing this episode of the reunion, I'm like, oh, okay.

[Nick]

You really didn't think when the episode started. And she's like, hopefully we can take a cast photo knowing and she's going to be the One knowing she's the one who won't take the cast photo.

[Guest]

Kyle won't even look at her. She's too focused on her crystals.

[Co-host]

The Dorit being able to say, like, left leaving Kyle speechless in the. Like, you thinking that I was acting this way to keep my job. When you are close enough with executive producers to know that I was asked back and you still, like, chose to have that view. And Kyle was like, well, no, Kyle said.

[Nick]

I said what I said.

[Co-host]

She was like, I said what I said. But she was kind of left a little speechless of, like, you took it that way. She was like this.

[Nick]

I took it literally.

[Co-host]

Left speechless. Like, literally did not say anything until.

[Nick]

Well, I think when. When producers and executives of Bravo get brought up, I think they have to tread carefully or it's like it becomes a kind of a convoluted, complicated issue of, like, what can I say and not say? Dorit obviously brought it up. I took her, like, quietness or, you know, not saying anything back. More like, I don't know the. Like, I don't know how to address this. I'm just gonna stand by what I said because it's definitely possible that, like, while Dorit made a very good point, like, that was a great argument for Dorit to make, but maybe she got asked back after producers were. Had a conversation with Dorit and said, we need more from you. We need more honesty, yada, yada. Then Dorit does what she does, and you know what I'm saying? So, like, maybe Dorit's giving us half of that version and Kyle's just like, you know what I said what I said, And I'm just gonna leave it at that.

[Producer]

I don't know. Even the whole, like, PK statement and how she doesn't really. Like, she, like, Loki, like, defended P.K. or, like, her relationship with P.K.

[Mary]

But she didn't also, like, she knows what she's doing when she's like, I. I don't know. So are you implying that he relapsed? I. I'm not gonna say I don't know. Yeah, but the way she says it's like, sure, you're implying that he relapsed.

[Nick]

It is dangerous. It is tough to. To. I mean, listen, like, intimated they're going through a divorce. She didn't intimate. But the way that statement from PK Dirty as well. Yeah, No, I don't know.

[Co-host]

It was.

[Nick]

I kind of, like, I agreed with his statement.

[Mary]

Yeah, well, him being like, I hope this is not the person I married. I Hope she returns back to me. Like, it was giving the question I asked the other day where it was like, husbands that blame their marriages, like, failing with housewives on the show, like, he was kind of implying that. That she turned it.

[Nick]

I mean, I do think that's a real issue.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

When you go on a TV show, it can change people. When you go on a TV show, it's all about exposing the intimate details of your life and family and marriage. It often causes problems.

[Co-host]

I mean, her saying that he is not a good father, knowing her children will see that is a.

[Nick]

Is a choice. It is a choice, and that is a line. I'm sorry. That, like, once you cross it, it's.

[Mary]

Can't go back.

[Nick]

You can't go back. And it's just, you know, the way people talk about, like. Like, their spouses, I think matters. I mean, like, there's one thing to give each other and being on the joke, whatever, but to, like, behind their back, like, question their character, how they are as parents is. I don't know.

[Co-host]

That was tough.

[Nick]

It's dirty. It's like. It's hard for me to hear her say that and then say things like, well, he's my soul. He's my heart. You know, it's like, huh? Like, I don't.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, how can you say that and, like, still hope to. To reconcile, you know, it's.

[Guest]

I don't think she hopes to. To reconcile.

[Mary]

She makes it sound like she does, though.

[Producer]

Yeah, she goes back.

[Mary]

That's where it's confusing.

[Guest]

It's really confusing.

[Mary]

That's right. I said she knows what she's saying where she's, like, being kind of vague but also saying the obvious.

[Nick]

And then Andy brought up, obviously, like, is it the glam? Is it this? And she even acknowledged that. And I don't. I don't know what she's spending, but, like, these glam teams are not cheap. And if. If. If every time, like, Dorit's doing an interview or an appearance and she's getting full glam, that's thousands of dollars. And, like, if she's doing that on the regular, she could be spending 10, 15, 20 grand a month on clothes and makeup.

[Producer]

Well, that statement to the end of PK's statement about wanting her to go back to the person that she was, it reminds me of the. I think it was her. Her birthday or their anniversary. He posted a reel, and it was right before they announced their divorce the year before. And he very much used all these old photos of Dorit, like, before work Done and like, in their, like, happier stages. And it made a lot of people speculate that there was, like, trouble in paradise because it' like, he looked like he was romanticizing the past of their relationship versus, like, celebrating who she is today.

[Nick]

I mean, it's. It's. I mean, you know, this is her job. Right. So on. On one regard, I get like, she's like, hey, I mean, like, I have a career. This is my job. I'm finally doing something. I'm providing for our family.

[Producer]

Right.

[Nick]

She's probably making more than him at this point. But on.

[Producer]

Do you think that was touchy for him, though? And like, when she. When they were asking about if their relationship changed based off of her fame, like, do you think that that might have had an element of it, that he was always the successful businessman in the entertain. Maybe.

[Nick]

I mean, there could be some ego involved for sure. It's just. It's just very complicated when your job is what this is and to do what she does. And yeah, it's. It's a tough beat with all of a sudden one day, you know, your spouse is prioritizing their TV personality job over you and their family, and it's like, yeah, it would feel like that person changed.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, I. I can see his side, even though he wears a tracksuit.

[Mary]

I do applaud her for being open about, like, she even addressed the pre foreclosure reports that everybody was seeing this whole, like, past couple of months.

[Nick]

And like, I don't pay them if they don't call me back. Well, that's fine. That's a choice. I wonder what his credit is.

[Co-host]

I was being like, well, that's how you lose your house. Like, gotta pay your bills.

[Nick]

They didn't call me back. Nope.

[Producer]

But don't worry, he got it handled. They did call. Okay.

[Mary]

I think we're gonna see a resurgence of the Fox force next season. And that's like the group of, like, Dorit and whoever she associates with herself. Erica usually is a part of it being like, the popular girls because for them to throw mean girls as a label to Garcelle and Sutton when they got mad about it. Season 10 When Denise did it to them, I'm like, it'll be interesting because.

[Nick]

Right now Bose is like, team Dorit. But, like, I have a ton of respect for Bose. As far, by my count, she has not been wrong yet.

[Guest]

I agree.

[Nick]

Like, she's. She's batting a thousand, and I think she just calls it straight up. I. I just. Every time someone comes at her, she's like, but this, this and this. And they're like, damn, she met. Because she always makes sense. But. But Boaz is not a mean girl. And I just don't think Boaz is going to stand if Dorit gets a little cocky and, I don't know, aligns with some of these other women. I don't think Boaz is not a follower, and I don't think she's. So if that's the case, I predict a fallout maybe with Bose and Dorit.

[Producer]

I loved when Bose was saying to Garcelle or whomever, maybe the whole group when she was like, if you think that I can be manipulated in my opinion of you, then that shows me that you have a very low opinion.

[Nick]

That was hardcore.

[Co-host]

I was like, hardcore, right?

[Guest]

The way she says it, it's like she doesn't even say it with, like, hate in her heart.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Guest]

You know what? She's not saying it to be. She's like, well, I can't be manipulated. And if you feel that way, you feel that way. It's like very. I'm like, she's incredible.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Because when she's like. When people say stuff about me, it doesn't impact me. It doesn't affect me. I know who I am. Why don't you know who you are?

[Producer]

And then I did see an interview where Rena and she did do Watch what happens live a couple months ago, but I saw an interview with her where they asked her about housewives, and she was like, I would love to film with that Bose. I would love to. And, like, obvious, obviously, Erica and Kyle. But like, all the other women, I don't care about or something. But the way that she said it kind of like gave a little hint that I was like, maybe she might be asked Back to your Fox 4.

[Mary]

Fox Force is coming back. Regardless.

[Nick]

What did you think? What did you guys think of Erica opting out of giving whatever designer any credit when she was like, oh, some designer. I had some designer. I can see both sides now.

[Co-host]

I think she asked for it for free and was like, hey, I'd love to wear this to the reunion if you'd like to gift it to me. And they were like, sorry, no, like, not possible. And then she paid full price for it. And she was like, well, then I'm not gonna, like, shout you out because that's worth a lot of money, and I'm not doing that.

[Nick]

I kind of get it. It's like, yeah, there's. Yeah. When it comes to that type of marketing or branding in Our experience, a lot of people have no problem asking for free marketing without. And it's like they both want it because they think it'll add value to their business, but they don't. They don't like to acknowledge how much value that might be. And they, like, they still want to get paid. And like, it's if. If that. If. If. Nellie's right, I see her side. It's just.

[Co-host]

But because it's like they weren't sitting down. Like, obviously they were recording. But it didn't. It wasn't like a interview question for Erica. It was just Andy being like, oh, my God, love what. Who is that? Love are you wearing? And she was like, yeah, some designer.

[Mary]

I mean, I also see like online this is just chatter, people being like, well, maybe it's just a good look. Not to mention designers given, like lawsuits coming out that she was just like, let's not throw a name out there out of just respective image. So I think, like, it could be as simple as that.

[Nick]

You think Erica was looking out for her designer's behalf because she didn't want to attach her name to that?

[Producer]

No, I'm saying for her behalf in the sense of how much did that dress cost?

[Mary]

Like, because the show is cited in the lawsuit, so it's more just like just for protection of everybody and respect of herself. Just not to.

[Co-host]

Yeah, makes sense.

[Producer]

Erica telling Garcelle that she wished she was more interesting.

[Mary]

Justice for Garcelle.

[Guest]

Like I said, that was wrong, I guess.

[Producer]

I don't. I don't know how I would react if somebody looked me in the eye and said, I just wish you were more interesting.

[Mary]

I saw a list of someone, like, writing out everything that Garcelle has shared about her life this season. And like, nobody gives her credit. Like, it's just the fact that she doesn't share it in a toxic drama way because she talked about her son's like, sobriety. She talked about her son being bullied and not want to be on the show.

[Nick]

I'm sorry, I'm not. I wasn't married to a criminal and then accused of being, you know, maybe a co op corroborating with said, I.

[Mary]

Don'T know, an accomplice.

[Nick]

An accomplice. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry.

[Guest]

I won't be named in the Erin Brockovich sequel.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, that was a dirty thing for Erica to say, but it was iconic.

[Producer]

I did and I thought they were fine. I was like, we did something happen.

[Co-host]

That seems like one of Erica's just like, little things that she throws out and then it's like the other person's like, oh, my God. It's like, Jesus.

[Guest]

She was like, what I just said, I wish you were more interested.

[Mary]

Yeah. To that point, Erica, like, I give her respect because she's fast with responses, and if you don't receive it, she's like, oh, okay, okay.

[Nick]

Just, like, decide who hasn't been picked on enough and then just focus their energy on that person.

[Guest]

That's why it's. I think it's good Garcel is leaving because she's kind of leaving at the height of, like, people enjoying her and people liking her. And before these women tear her to shreds next season, they're going to be ruthless.

[Mary]

Kyle did have a gotcha when she was like, well, like, your son didn't want to be on the show. Why should Morgan be on the show? And I was like, I'm team Garcelle. But I was like, you gotta point out.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm with Kyle there. It's just like, it's not if she wants to respect her friend. Like, if a friend comes on as a favor or for whatever reason and doesn't like the response and asks to not be a part of it. Like, for the rest of the women to just demand.

[Co-host]

Especially someone who, like, has her own career and is, like, doing things for herself, to be like her.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, yeah, I was def. I was definitely team Kyle.

[Guest]

And then also Garcelle bringing up stuff Kyle said to her and Sutton off camera.

[Mary]

Well, I think that's valid. I think it's valid. I think all of them are using Garcelle as, like, a pawn off camera and then throwing her under the bus when she says something that we all talked about. Because even Bo's being like, yeah, I talked to Garcelle before we filmed. Like, it's like she's the person everybody's talking to.

[Producer]

But it's also just, like, not the gotcha moment that you think it is, where it's like, when people are like, oh, we had this conversation off camera. And it's, like, cool. We didn't see it. So it's just like, we just have to take your word for it. But that didn't add anything to your argument.

[Mary]

But then to Nick's point, it's like, we watch the show and we want to add. Act like there isn't, like, this isn't a job or that we're having stuff outside the show happen. You know, like, Garcelle's saying stuff that everybody's talking about, and then they're acting like I never said that, even signed.

[Nick]

Like.

[Mary]

Well, I said, was this. And she's like, no, you didn't.

[Producer]

No, that. That was why.

[Nick]

It's like when. When Andy, in the beginning of the show, like, asked Kyle before, like, the reunion actually started about, like, the double standard. Did any of you understand Kyle's response?

[Producer]

No.

[Nick]

I was like, huh? What did she. It didn't make. I don't even know what she said, but I was like, did you. Is that a. Did you hear his question?

[Producer]

Sounded like a quote. I was like, I'm not really sure.

[Nick]

Yeah, it did sound like a quote.

[Producer]

I'll think like something you saw at Bed, Bath and Beyond. And I was like, okay, whatever you say, Kyle. I'll see you in your crystals.

[Guest]

There's something about. I do. I. I kind of have a soft spot for Kyle. I do not agree with, like, the way she has handled specifically the Dorit situation, but I think, like, she's obviously, like, going through a lot in her life right now, and I think. I think some of them are, like, really intentional about the way they're trying to, like, get her to break.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Guest]

And I don't know. And I. And I obviously have not seen every single season of Beverly Hills. I'm starting from the beginning, but, like, I don't know. It's just. I don't know. I kind of feel bad for her. She's obviously going through it.

[Mary]

Who do you think is trying to make Kyle break the most?

[Guest]

Garcelle.

[Mary]

Really?

[Guest]

I think she's. She's the one that keeps bringing up Morgan.

[Nick]

She's the only one who decided.

[Guest]

She's the one who's, like, really, really bringing up Morgan. And Kyle obviously does not want to about it on camera right now, which I think she's allowed to not want to talk about that. She's not ready.

[Producer]

Kyle did call her out, too, when she was like, you were trying to get Sutton to get to come for me. And she's like, no, I wasn't. I was trying to have her defend me. And she's like, defend you in coming for me.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If you're gonna go after Kyle, just go after her for just, like, clearing up. Are you her and Mo? Because I'm just tired of that scene over and over. It's just. Whatever. Next week, our guest is acting with Kyle on the hit show Wild Cards. Giacomo is up next. For my wine lovers out there, if you are not a First Leaf subscriber, you are missing out, let me tell you. So many benefits of firstly, first of all the wine, the wine that they provide to you is excellent. It's a great variety. You learn a lot about wine. You, you mix it up a little bit. Also, the convenience is second to none. I mean, listen, like the last thing you want, you go grocery shopping, then you buy some wine. It's just like, maybe you want to stock up and then it's like a whole ordeal. It's heavy, like the bag breaks. I mean, stop doing that. Let First Leaf deliver wine right to your door so you have it when you want it and need it.

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[Nick]

Giacomo, welcome to the show.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Nick]

And now I'm saying it right, It's Giacomo, not Giacomo.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yes.

[Nick]

Okay, great. It's a great name.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

You got it. Thank you. The only one I have.

[Nick]

Did your parents know you're gonna be hot when you.

[Producer]

When they gave you that Italian alliteration?

[Nick]

Like, he's gonna have to be with this.

[Co-host]

He has no choice.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

We're gonna give him this name. He's gonna have to grow into it. Yeah, he's just gonna have to rise to the level.

[Nick]

It really worked out.

[Co-host]

You kind of had like an awkward stage with that name.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Well, look, I was raised in Canada and there was a lot of like, Doug's and Nathan and Justin's and I was Giaco. Very weird.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Small town in north of Ontario and Canada. So did you.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was. Were you ever. Did you ever like, give yourself a nickname Jack, or.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, I was like, my whole goal was to assimilate. Like, I'm not Italian. I'm not. I'm like, you guys, you know what I mean? I'm not different.

[Nick]

My best friend, his name is Marcos. And he'd be like, man, my name is Marcos Marcus. Mark. And he's. Yeah, mark it. I don't care.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, exactly.

[Nick]

Especially in college, you know, basement parties, everyone's drinking, it's really loud.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah. He was like, I'm not gonna yell it three more times.

[Nick]

Why is everyone calling you Mark? It's a long story. So you are performing with Kyle Richards next week or acting?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yes, yes. We have a very exciting episode on Wild Cards. That's all very sort of housewives themed.

[Nick]

Now, did you do any, like, Watching of the Housewives of Prep.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I didn't.

[Nick]

Okay?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I didn't. And I think it was. It was the most fun was watching everyone at work freak out that she was coming to work and me not really understanding and being like, oh, yeah. Like, they just told me, like, we have this, like, really great talent from the Housewives. And like, she's gonna come here and she's gonna add, like, such value to our episode because she's like, in that world. She's so iconic and recognizable and everything. And I was just, like, happy. I was, like, thrilled. I was like, great. But I didn't watch the show. I didn't know, you know, who she was. And then when she came on set, everyone was just. Especially the women were freaking out.

[Nick]

She's. She's iconic. I mean, it's a great idea for a scene because these, like, dinner party scenes are iconic in this universe. And to think like you would think a crime would eventually happen with all the arguing and the fights. You know, I have to give it.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

To Kyle because, like, I don't think everyone in that position can have the sense of humor that she does to be able to kind of like, poke fun at yourself, your own industry, your own show, reality. Like, she really had such a great sense of humor about going all in and being like, yeah, like, let's make fun of this. Like, let's, you know, like, let's make people laugh. Let's entertain people with like, how ridiculous some of these things can be. Right? And she was such a good sport to just go along for the ride. And our writers wrote all these, like, most ridiculous, hilarious things, you know, making fun of sort of like reality parts of television that are. That are very comical and stuff. And she just went for it and was so terrific.

[Nick]

Have you done a lot of acting with more traditional, like, non actors like Kyle who come in and do a scene? Are some easier to work with than others or what I learned about Kyle.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

She's actually been acting for a very long time and she's really, really talent. So I was. I was. I was so pleasantly surprised, and I got to do some really nice scenes with her. So I was just like, wow, she's.

[Co-host]

She's like a child actress.

[Producer]

She was the little girl in Halloween.

[Nick]

She was a child actor.

[Producer]

Yeah. Then she did the. The Last Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Nick]

But we have a clip from. For season two trailer of Wild Cards. Let's. Let's play the clip for our. For our audience because if they haven't seen it, it's a Real fun show.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

You lied to me, Max. You played me like I was one of your marks.

[Co-host]

You didn't catch me.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Me.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Give me one reason why you should believe a single word out of your mouth.

[Co-host]

Cuz I know who killed your brother. Oh, no.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I need my best people on this.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

That means you. Her too.

[Co-host]

Grab your fuzzy balls and come with me. Who has more fun than us?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Everybody slow down.

[Co-host]

So now do I get a badge?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

What happened to our a.

[Nick]

Maybe don't smash that one. Bam, bam. Go.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Five minutes without committing a felony.

[Co-host]

I didn't commit crimes. I helped rich people part ways with their money.

[Producer]

What's the difference, pizzazz? Whatever happened to trusting your partner?

[Nick]

The only person you can count on is you.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Trusting me is the biggest mistake I ever made.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You guys going on a date?

[Guest]

Good for nothing.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Dick.

[Co-host]

We just solved a murder before it even happened. Now we can arrest Scarfman and Hottie.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, yeah, I'll get right on that.

[Producer]

Wild Cards season premiere Wednesday, February 5th.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

On the CW There we go.

[Co-host]

Is it weird watching yourself? Do you watch?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

A little bit. I mean, I'm very involved with like, the producers and everything and how the show is shaped and stuff like that. I care about that stuff. So I've seen these trailers and I've, you know.

[Nick]

Was that Martin Sheen that I saw?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That's got to be pretty cool.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

It was. I didn't believe my producer when he. When they said we got him. I was like, we didn't get him. Like, you're lying or whatever. I love. Until he showed up, I didn't believe it.

[Nick]

What was that like?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

It was incredible. He came in for a day and we did a ton of work with him. We like, a very full shooting day. We wanted to sort of like, maximize his time with us. And he's of a certain age, so you want to also be like, okay, let's not like, kill the guy here. Like, let's like, get a respectable work day and then, like, let him go home. But because we captured so much in one day, we were able to, like, get enough content that we could kind of sprinkle it throughout the season. So he's got a pretty big presence in our. In our season.

[Nick]

Oh, cool.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Which is really nice.

[Co-host]

How different was playing a cop versus playing a doctor?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I think less medical jargon, which makes my brain bleed. And I think it's just a little bit more fun because, like, the cop is, like, out on the streets. He's, like, chasing down the bad guys. He's solving crimes. He's going from place to place where it's like the doctor. Just like in real life, you're stuck at the hospital. Like, that's it. You're there.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

It must have been brutal.

[Co-host]

Learning so, so many medical terminology, I bet is just like wrapped.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Arguably just as exciting and thrilling because you know, what these surgeons are doing is literally like playing God. Like holding people's lives in their hands. But yeah.

[Nick]

Are you good at fake punching people?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, I've been doing it a long time. So it's basically just like you being like. It's like the little 10 year old boy Giacomo, like having a blast. Being like, I'm still playing pretend I'm still doing this, like. Yes.

[Nick]

Have you ever been in a real fight?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I have. Yeah. I was bullied a lot when I was younger because I was just really short. And my name, of course, talk about my name.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Very different. And so, yeah, I was like so short until like my last year of high school. Like all those like really embarrassing, like childhood photos where they put you all on the, on the benches and then like give the different levels and of course, like the shortest ones, like, you're the front row. I have all front rows.

[Nick]

Yes. But then when you became a man, an adult, did you have a lot of people from the past reach out and just be like, hey, sorry, like, you want to go on a date? Yeah, not too much.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I. I kind of like left my. I mean, it's even hard for me to go home, honestly. Like this little town where I'm. Where I'm from Parry Sound, Ontario. Cause it's just like every year that I spent away from it, I just like grew further and further and further from that place till get to a point where it's like you just. You don't really have anything to connect anymore with certain people that you grew up with. Right. You're just on a different trajectory.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

How did you meet your wife?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

She is a makeup and hair artist. Had been. And I was doing a photo shoot for a mega magazine and she was doing my makeup and hair.

[Nick]

Who asked who out?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I did. Yeah. I asked everybody in the crew for their number and I couldn't care less about anyone from the crew's number.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I just wanted her number.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

But I didn't want to be like, give me your number.

[Nick]

That's.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I was like, hey, everyone. Like, like, you guys, right? Like, I was like, oh, we had such a blast today. Like, we should all exchange information so we can future, like work together. Like all of us together. And then I was like, friendly delete Great. This is the one I wanted.

[Nick]

That's very. That's very smooth.

[Co-host]

Really smooth.

[Nick]

Because you never really know, like, you.

[Co-host]

Know someone on the spot.

[Nick]

Yeah, you're. You're at work. It's a work setting. It's like, you know, that was good.

[Co-host]

So when you. When you reached out, were you like, hey, this was my plan all along.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I had some weird advice from my other actor friend, Matt Murray. He. I was like, I really like this girl. Like, I can't. I can't mess this up. And I'm sure she has tons of. Of, like, attractive guys sit in her chair every, every day and, like, hit on her and ask her for her number. I'm like, how do I, like, stand out from, like, these crowds? She probably has this whole. And, like, actors are known for being very, like, you know, vain into themselves and stuff. I'm like, great. Like, how do I, like, combat this. This sort of, like, stereotype and stick out? And he's like. He was like, it's like. It's like end of November. It's like, wait, like a month. It's going to be Christmas. She's going to be home with her family. She can be in her feelings. She's gonna be emotional, and that's when you strike. And I was like. I was like, interesting. I was like, very, very, like, okay. And I did it. I did just that. I waited, like, a month. Which now she was like. She was like, why did you wait a month to text me, you idiot? But it worked. It worked. So, yeah, I just sent her a text message over the Christmas break, just being like, hey, I'm just thinking about you, and I'd love to see you when you. When you get back. She was in Northern California, and I was. I was in Canada, and I just said, hey, why don't we get back from the break? Like, why don't we get together? Like, I'd love to see you. So that was sort of the beginning.

[Co-host]

Is she your. Like, anytime you book a new job, are you like, I actually have my own hair and makeup purse that I would like to bring.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Not on, like, film and television jobs, but, like, if we do, like, a magazine or, like, a promotional thing, then, yeah, we work together. That's like.

[Co-host]

That's fun.

[Nick]

That is nice. Because, you know, just every time you sit in a new chair, for sure, you never know, it's like, oh, my God, what are you. What are you doing to me?

[Co-host]

It's like, you really made my eyebrows thick. That's true.

[Nick]

How was it coming off, obviously. Grey's Anatomy, just an iconic show. It's been on for a long time. What was it like coming off that show? Your character dying was as. As an actor. Is it. I feel like there's, like, a rite of passage to, like, die in a scene, but at the same time, then you're kind of done.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Is that a weird kind of transition?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Honestly, I kind of like that, though, because it's like. I mean, it's more dramatic. There's nothing more dramatic than death, and it is a drama, so it's, like, great. We, like, nailed that. But. But, yeah, I don't know. I think the.

[Nick]

The.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

The leaving the door open, certain. Nice for certain characters. And I think a lot of fans were really upset and still are upset that. That I was. That I was killed off. But it made great television. And, like, that's. They have to understand, like, that's what the writers are trying to do. They're trying to make great, gripping television. And it's like, there are safer choices, but they're not as entertaining. And it's like, if you're heartbroken that moment, then they're like, yeah, that's what we were trying to do.

[Nick]

Is there, like, a meta moment? Like, you know, you watch a good show and your favorite character dies? Like, there's still movies or TV shows I watch, and I know a death scene's coming, and I sometimes just kind of fast forward through it because it just, like, gets me. When you're dying and you watch it back, is there, like, a weird, like, I know you played the role, but, like, is it ever in a weird, like, way, it's just like, wow, I died there. You know, in a weird kind of.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Way, I think it's, like, more metaphorical for me. I'm less reacting to, like, my character dying, and I'm more as a human reacting to the fact that that chapter in my life is finished, right. That I'm going to be now going to a new chapter and doing other things.

[Co-host]

Did you always know that your character would be bipolar?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

No, no. And often, like, big storylines for. On any show, really, the writers, from the moment you're hired, they become detectives, right? They're trying to figure out who you are, what you can do, your strengths, your weaknesses, and start writing. And so when an actor has been on a show for a long time, they usually get really good because the writers start to write towards that actor and that character. And when those two things start to mend, you have, like, a really great character on. On television.

[Nick]

I mean, the range, obviously, of a bipolar character, you it a lot of challenges with that, like, how. How. How did you prep for that? Was that even also kind of fun to challenge yourself? You know, having such emotional ranges?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I have. I have bipolar and other mental illnesses in my family, so it was something that was, like, very close to me. I have that very close and personal reference. So that was sort of like where I started. And then I just, like, you know, read some books that were more like just fact based, like, studying, like, different. You know, it's also a spectrum, kind of like autism. Like, I could put 10 people in a room, all line them up that have bipolar. They all have completely different stories and ways, and when they switch from manic to depressive, and, like, this is a completely different thing. There's not like one cookie cutter thing. And that's why we had a lot of talks about, like, okay, like, what is he? Like, what does he specifically suffer from? How does he suffer so that we could tell a story that was just sort of kind of original to. To him.

[Nick]

So you like cruising on your bike?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yes. Yeah, I'm a cyclist. I guess that's like, a nice hobby that I have.

[Nick]

How long have you been into that for?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I started just before the pandemic. It was a really funny thing because I was just looking for something to get me outside, try to make exercise more fun that it wasn't so, like, I'm working out. I was like, just do something that's fun. So I always kind of liked being on a bicycle, but I. I'd never, like, taken it seriously, like, from a perspective of, like, doing it for hours and training up to that. That level and climbing hills and stuff like. Like that. So I bought a bike, I started riding, and then the whole world shut down, and we had the pandemic. And then I had other friends and people who were like, oh, God, like, we're locked down. We can't do anything. Like, I'm gonna get a bicycle. And you couldn't get a bicycle. They were completely sold out, like, worldwide. Like, everyone just sort of came up with the idea of, like, oh, I have a bike. Like, that'll be like my mental health thing that I do to, like, get out of my house. Yeah, but you couldn't get them. It was like, literally, like, they just flew off the shelves. And anybody who was in a bike selling business business made a ton of money because they could just sell them for, like, I don't know, like, $20,000. Great people. Like, great. Like, yes, give me a Bicycle. I'm going crazy. I'm stuck in my house.

[Nick]

Did you start, like, a. Like a bike club with your friends? For those who.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I didn't. It's always been a very solo kind of thing for me, which I like. Like, it's meditative. Like, I. I feel like I solve a lot of problems when I'm out there. I'm just thinking. I don't know. It's like, even the shower. Like, sometimes you ever just be in the shower and you're just alone with your thoughts. There's no technology, there's no nothing. And you're like, oh, there's that problem that I'm trying to solve. Like, there we go.

[Nick]

I mowed a lawn for the first time.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, there you go.

[Nick]

In, like, 20 some years. I did it as a kid over and over and over. And, like, living in the city for the past 20 years, you stuck with your thoughts. Yeah. And so, like, usually in la, you know, I have someone mow the law patch of grass. It's like, whatever here.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Here, you've nowhere to store.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But then I. I mowed a lawn. It was like, really therapy. It was like, this is. I'm gonna keep doing this because you put the. You put the AirPods on. You listen to, you know, some music or a podcast or something, and you just kind of zone out, you know?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Zone out. Yeah.

[Nick]

It's great.

[Co-host]

What do you and your wife like to do for fun?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

We aren't very, like, materialistic people. We don't like buying, like, items. We like doing, like, trips and experiences. So, like, that's where, like, we decide to, like, invest, like, our money.

[Co-host]

Totally.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

So it's like, instead of, like, buying, like, a handbag or a cool car or, like, a Rolex, it's like, I have an Apple watch that's, like, the most expensive watch I own. And we like being like, oh, let's go to this hotel. Let's go to this cabin for the weekend. Oh, there's this, like, cool, like, tiki thing on the beach we found in this, like, place. Like, let's fly there.

[Co-host]

Or, like, have you found a favorite kind of hole in the wall place or place that you and your wife have been like, we have to go back. Like, this is a gem.

[Nick]

We don't have to say the name if you don't want to go back.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

There was this place. Because it'll be ruined and everyone will be there and it won't be, you know. No. It's funny, we. I've been shooting wild cards in Vancouver and there's this place on the way up to Whistler between Vancouver and Whistler called Nita Lake Lake. And they have this place called the Nita Lake Lodge. And it's like what you would imagine of a lodge. You know, a big, like, wood cabin lodge. Very simple, like, not fancy, but, like, all the details done very well. They got a nice spa. It's on a lake. You can, like, kayak and canoe. There's walking trails. It's just very about kind of like, unplugging and just being connected with nature. And so I've had a couple breaks while I've been there shooting. I think it was like the Thanksgiving weekend and some other weekend, weekend we. We shoot up there and we go there for, like, three days. Also. We have a dog, so it's like, dog friendly.

[Co-host]

That's, like, huge.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

That's like, the place has to have, like, be dog friendly.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

So we have a great time there. Just like, unplugging and just like, going for a kayak in the morning with a cup of coffee and going for a walk.

[Co-host]

Do you like shooting in Vancouver?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Especially in the summer when it's not raining so much. It's gorgeous.

[Co-host]

What is, like, considered Some, like, when do we start summer in Vancouver? Do you know?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, I mean, like, June, is it?

[Co-host]

Yeah, June, July, you know, the island.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Is also really beautiful. Vancouver Island.

[Nick]

Okay. There's a place called Tofino.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Place called Tofino. So you're on the ocean and, like, surfers come there from all over the world to surf as well. Another really just beautiful. Like, you want to just kind of unplug a lot of, like, cabin and nature and beaches and. It's really pretty.

[Nick]

Do you have a type of character or a project that's always been kind of a dream of yours to try to play next?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I guess, like, I've been always riding the line of kind of leading man, and I think I just have way much, much more fun playing against that. Like, I. I like playing people who are, like, complicated and disturbed or evil or. You know what I mean? And I have a lot. I just got back from shooting this little Indy in. In Calgary where I was a cult leader. And I. I don't think I've had that much fun in a long time just being like, how far can I take this? Like, how, like, I'm gonna go all the way, like this guy is, and.

[Co-host]

Y'All tell me to reel it in.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, slip that on. You know what I mean? And just. And then yeah. Be finished your day.

[Nick]

All cult leaders have to have some pretty good. Nice eyes.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Well, if you see, like, you know, there's all these, like, documentaries on Netflix and stuff about, like, cults and cult leaders and things and, like, how they came to be, and you're like, how did all these people fall for this thing? And it's usually, like, a handsome guy who, like, knows how to talk.

[Nick]

Right. And it always starts, hey, come in.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Like, sit down. Like, we have a lot of cool things here.

[Nick]

And, like, a message.

[Co-host]

All of a sudden, you have, like, 17 wives, and they're all.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

There's, like, a hand on your thigh and, like, like, whoa. What is this guy?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Whoa.

[Co-host]

Okay, I'm in.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah. It's like, there's always, like, you're in.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, I'm in.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

See, that's how they happen.

[Co-host]

So easy. God, you're so good at your job. Is there anyone from, like, history that you would be interested in doing, like, a biopic on or someone that, like, you feel like you could channel really well being.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Being a Roman born in Rome, I love the ancient civilization of Rome. And, like, you know, when I've seen films like the original Gladiator, when I was growing up, like, those films just, like, have my whole heart. Like, if I could just teleport and, like, live in that time, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Had a lot of problems that time. It was very problematic. But, you know, there's something kind of, like, I romanticize about it.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Not all, like, the hunger and war and famine and strife. I like, romanticize all the, like, fighting as a gladiator and stuff. It's like, yeah. I'm a guy.

[Co-host]

The swords and the armor and stuff.

[Nick]

Have you. Have you seen the second Gladiator?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I have seen it. Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you think it holds up?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I'm a big Ridley Scott fan, so I just like the spectacle of it all. How large and grandiose it is is beautiful to me. And Denzel was terrific. Yeah. I think there's certain moments of, like, the historical inaccuracy that give me a little. Like, there's sharks in the Coliseum swimming around.

[Nick]

Didn't eat the sharks.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

At that point, just put laser beams on their head, too. Like, go full, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. That was probably maybe the big only gripe I had because it was never gonna live up to the first one. Fine.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That was.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

No, no. And it shouldn't have been. And I think that was good. But, no, I thought the cast did great. It was a beautiful film. I was engaged the whole time. I was Never bored and the energy maintained. I thought it was a great film.

[Co-host]

That is so true. I remember being like, how did they get that water in there? And how is it staying? And then the sharks. How are they.

[Nick]

How they transport them from whatever ocean they got them?

[Co-host]

Like, because yesterday there were no sharks.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

And there is records of ships being brought in, but, like, they weren't that big and there wasn't that much water. It was like small little boats.

[Co-host]

It was like, yeah, that was crazy. I forgot about that scene.

[Nick]

Do you have any fun summer plans coming up?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Fun summer plans? Every year I try to go to Italy because my grandmother's there, my family's there, so I definitely still have plans in May to.

[Nick]

Is Rome your favorite city in Italy? If you like. If we were to go back to Italy. I've been to Venice.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

There's a lot of really beautiful ones. I think Bologna is one of my favorite cities. I shot a Italian film there years ago, and I got to live there for, like, almost six months. And it is terrific. Apart from it being probably one of the best food in all of Italy. Just the north is just terrific. But it was just like this small, little, little city. It's not a town. It's a proper city. It has, like, all the things you could possibly want, but you can walk from one side to the other in, like, half an hour. It's got one of the biggest universities there. So you have this, like, this injection of, like, youth and culture and life, and you hear, like, Spanish and German and French at. At restaurants because all the young students from all over are studying there. So it's just very cool melting pot, very artistic. There's a music school there, too. So you have music, like, young musician students that are, like, playing on the streets and, like, art. It's just. It's a very inspiring place.

[Co-host]

So you're fluent in Italian. Is your wife also or.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

She's not. She's working on it, and she's been working on it for nine years now.

[Co-host]

Yes, of course.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

It's a slow burn, but we're getting there.

[Co-host]

Are you teaching her or is she.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Like, don't come back and forth. It's like, sometimes I'll try teaching, or sometimes she'll use the apps and stuff. So, yeah, it's always better when we're there and spending time there. She gets back into the groove, but then when we leave, it's like. It's hard to kind of, like, maintain. Maintain it.

[Nick]

Before she started learning Italian, would you ever, like, say things behind her back in Italian? If you're really mad.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

No, no.

[Nick]

She's like, I'm gonna remember that. And look that up.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

What did you just say? Nothing.

[Co-host]

Never mind. That's funny.

[Nick]

Do you like games?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Of course. Yeah, sure.

[Nick]

I'm waiting for the Guess who says.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Let me rephrase.

[Producer]

No.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Depends.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it depends on if you have to explain the rules to me. I don't want to play the.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

The game.

[Co-host]

You know, there's nothing worse than being like, sure, let's play Monopoly. How do you play? Then someone's like, all right, so if you have.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah, I'm already.

[Co-host]

It's like, yeah, I can't do it. I can't.

[Nick]

But then if you land here, you have to go back three spaces.

[Co-host]

Too much.

[Nick]

Roll around.

[Co-host]

Are there a lot of rules to this game, Mary?

[Guest]

It's actually three pages of just rules.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Terrific.

[Guest]

Okay, we can. No, I'm just kidding. It's. So this game is. It's just a very silly game and called. Is this a reality TV scandal or, like a crime show scandal? And we're gonna list off some. Some, like, scandals from.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

But these are, like real things that happened reality tv.

[Nick]

They either really happened on a reality TV show or. Or they were an actual scene.

[Producer]

Like a.

[Guest]

Someone wrote.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

And like a fictional tv.

[Nick]

And you're gonna have to guess.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Okay, what.

[Guest]

What's.

[Nick]

Did the writers write this? Or is. Is this real life for some people?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Okay.

[Guest]

All right. So up first, we have. Becoming so addicted to tanning that your skin turns into leather and you have to go to the hospital.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I'm going to guess like a reality TV show. Yeah, like real life.

[Guest]

Reality feels reality. It's from CSI Miami.

[Co-host]

I used to be.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Nick]

CSI would.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Okay.

[Guest]

Helping your husband fake cancer.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Helping your husband fake cancer. I'm gonna go real on that one.

[Co-host]

Dr. DeLuca, what are we thinking?

[Guest]

Yeah, it is. It is Vicki Gumbelson from the Real House.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Wait, Vicki did that?

[Co-host]

Allegedly.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

We have to say that. Allegedly.

[Nick]

Allegedly.

[Guest]

Vicki, we love you. Faking a pregnancy to keep your husband from leaving.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I would probably go up that it was written.

[Guest]

Written.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It is.

[Guest]

From Glee.

[Nick]

Glee.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

There you go.

[Guest]

Faking a law degree to everyone.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

You know, that's pretty close.

[Mary]

God.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Co-host]

I feel like this is reality. Is this Craig Conover?

[Guest]

It's a trick question. It is both. Craig Conover from Southern Charm. And it also happened in suits. Yeah. Getting arrested by the FBI for a long con. Committing elder fraud.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Television.

[Nick]

Nope, reality.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Reality.

[Guest]

Shaw from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

She's currently All Real Housewives doing all these crimes. Yes.

[Guest]

She's currently in jail with a lady Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Surfing time. You got Kyle, who, to our knowledge, has not had crime free.

[Guest]

Yeah, Kyle's crime free.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

My wife Nicole would know all of this because she's, like, in the true crime like every other woman is. She'd be like, oh, yes, that happened in 1991.

[Co-host]

I know the joke. That's like, women fall asleep by hearing, like. And her head was cut off. Her legs were cut off.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

It's actually true.

[Guest]

And next up, we have leaving your wife to go back to your ex ex who you secretly had kids with.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

True.

[Guest]

No, it's from Grey's Anatomy.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Oh.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, no.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I mean, got that.

[Guest]

Getting banned from Carvel Ice Cream for life after scamming the company.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

That seems too specific to be television.

[Co-host]

That feels real reality.

[Guest]

No, it's from 30 Rock, but it was a 30 Rock episode that Kelsey Grammer was in. And Kelsey Grammer did have his wife. Previous wife Camille Grammer, on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Nick]

Get banned from an ice cream shop.

[Guest]

No, he just divorced her after putting her on the show. Yeah.

[Nick]

What do you mean he put her on the show?

[Guest]

Kelsey Grammer put his wife Camille on the shows to give her something to do so he could go to New York and have an affair, and then he left her in the first season.

[Nick]

Is this an alleged.

[Guest]

No, this literally is the plot of the first season of Beverly Hills.

[Producer]

That's what I said.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

He had another family that he had kids with.

[Guest]

No, no, no, no. He.

[Co-host]

He just.

[Guest]

He just was.

[Nick]

Also, did he ever watch Housewives?

[Guest]

Like, he was in it?

[Nick]

People talk about rumors a lot if you're.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Producer]

County.

[Nick]

It's not a way to fly under the radar.

[Guest]

Yeah. Anyway, next up, we have returning a puppy you got from a friend to a kill shelter.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Oh, my God. That is horrible.

[Nick]

Jesus.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

That is horrible.

[Nick]

Why am I. Why am I afraid? It's reality tv. It's.

[Guest]

It's reality tv, and it didn't technically happen. It's so Dorit. So Dorit got a dog from Lisa Vanderpump's Vanderpump Dogs. The dog didn't work for her family. She gave it to a friend, and then the friend sent the dog to a kill shelter. But then Lisa basically brought all of this to the show to make it seem like Durie dropped it off. Dropped it off at a kill shelter. And that's in. That's why Lisa Vanderpump ended up leaving the show.

[Co-host]

Well.

[Nick]

Well, I Mean, Dorit should have, like, made sure whoever she gave this dog.

[Co-host]

To, I mean, who would ever be like, yeah, let me take this dog to, like, a kill, you know? Like, who would ever think that your friend would do that?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Producer]

It's probably one of the worst seasons of Beverly Hill's Housewives too, because that was the entire storyline for the entire season.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Good Lord.

[Producer]

Loosey. Juicy apple goosey.

[Co-host]

Does this make you want to watch reality tv? Are you, like.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

No. It sounds terrifying.

[Nick]

It's good character study.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

It sounds vile.

[Guest]

Yeah, they do some pretty awful things to each other. All right. Cheating on your husband with a man that looks identical to him.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

So it's like husband 2.0. Slightly improved.

[Nick]

Maybe it's like when you still liked him, you know?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Oh, you're like him. When I still liked him. I remember you.

[Co-host]

I remember you.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Real.

[Guest]

It's from Severance.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Severance.

[Nick]

Oh, okay. Sure. Do you watch Severance?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I do. Yeah. I'm not all caught up. I know the finale happened. I think I'm like, two or three episodes behind.

[Co-host]

Are you watching My Lotus?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I've only watched the first episode of that.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Co-host]

God, you are so busy.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yes, I've been very busy lately.

[Guest]

Ruining your vacation with friends by getting arrested for a felony.

[Producer]

I know.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Written.

[Guest]

Nope. It's from the show Vanderpump Rules. Jack Taylor got arrested for stealing sunglasses when he was on vacation.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Started really strong and struggling ever since. I got too. Right. And then it's just been, you have.

[Nick]

More faith in humanity. You're just like, this can't be real stories.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Someone had to have written these.

[Guest]

And then, last but not least, we have a high profile lawyer embezzling client settlement funds and getting arrested for that.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I'm gonna say written.

[Guest]

Written.

[Co-host]

Tom Gerardi. It's reality television.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

You guys know too much about the reality.

[Guest]

Well, Tom is the lawyer they base the lawyer in Aaron Brockovich on. And then he ended up in real life.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Really?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So the scene. Have you seen Aaron Brockovich?

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yes.

[Nick]

You know the scene where, like, the big shot lawyer comes in and, like, helps the smaller one. They team up, and then Aaron Brockovich's character kind of goes through all the phone numbers. Yeah, he's the male act. The male lawyer who comes in, who's the big shot is playing Tom Girardi, Erika Jane's husband.

[Co-host]

Isn't that movie really old? So they knew, like, all along that Tom Girardi was a scumbag?

[Nick]

No, like, Tom Girardi, before he was a scumbag, was, you know, a lawyer. Who successfully went after corporations and. And seemingly helped the small person. He just ended up stealing. Stealing their money.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Yes, of course.

[Nick]

So.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Guest]

Anyway, that's my game.

[Nick]

That's our game.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

I learned a lot.

[Co-host]

Yes. And we are here importantly. You learned you will not be tuning in to real household lives.

[Guest]

Kyle never did anything.

[Nick]

Or that. You're just like, you're. You're a pretty good person.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Nick]

Jack and Mo. This has been a lot of fun. Thanks for coming and. And chatting with us. Everyone. Check out, if you haven't already, season two of Wild Cars. Especially next week. If you are a big fan of Kyle and. And housewives, tune in. You see Jack and Kyle work together. It's a lot of fun and we appreciate you coming on.

[Giacomo Gianotti]

Thank you, guys. It's a lot of fun.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Thanks.

[Nick]

Coming. Well, that was fun. Giacomo, what a sweet guy. Really?

[Co-host]

You've been saying it with an accent all along. Now you're like Jackamo Giacomo.

[Nick]

Well, thank you for Giacomo for coming on the show. Giacomo. That's a fun word to say his name.

[Guest]

He's so fun.

[Co-host]

He was like, it's the only one I have. So good old Jack, his co star, Vanessa Morgan was also in Riverdale.

[Producer]

I auditioned for that show.

[Mary]

You auditioned for Riverdale?

[Producer]

For Veronica? Yeah.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Oh, really?

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Didn't get it.

[Co-host]

So short subject, Short story.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Short story.

[Co-host]

Not much to say.

[Mary]

I want to ask.

[Guest]

We're gonna talk about it.

[Co-host]

I wanna ask you about it. There's nothing else to say.

[Producer]

I'm here. So.

[Mary]

You do look like a Veronica.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Producer]

Thank you.

[Mary]

I do see it.

[Producer]

I had a great audition.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Producer]

Hey. David Rapaport.

[Co-host]

Good enough.

[Producer]

I see you. I still made it on camera.

[Co-host]

Okay. I still made it on camera.

[Mary]

Aww.

[Co-host]

A different camera. Just different.

[Mary]

You know, you are a good.

[Co-host]

But look where you are.

[Guest]

Yeah. Sierra, you could have ended up in a quadruple.

[Co-host]

That's okay.

[Producer]

I love my supporting girl.

[Guest]

That's crazy.

[Producer]

In life.

[Co-host]

In life.

[Producer]

I'm crying because I'm laughing.

[Nick]

Well, I'm excited to see that episode of Wild Card with Kyle.

[Producer]

Me too.

[Nick]

Not me. Not knowing she was an actor.

[Co-host]

She's literally like an iconic.

[Guest]

She's literally the little girl in Halloween.

[Mary]

I watched Halloween for Kyle Richards.

[Nick]

She's in the original.

[Guest]

The little brunette girl that jam Lee Curtis is babysitting in Halloween is Kyle Richards.

[Mary]

And they brought her back for the last two.

[Guest]

They did.

[Producer]

Did you ever see Escape to Rich Moun Also Escape to Witch Mountain. That's where her sisters Were her sister was, like, the little blonde girl.

[Mary]

They're childhood actresses.

[Co-host]

They are.

[Nick]

Kyle.

[Guest]

The crazy. The crazy thing about Kyle and Kim Richards is, like, the difference between, like, the career trajectory of, like, Jody Foster and Kim Richards words. There's like, one single line that they went off differently. And that blows my mind. Yeah. Anyway.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Producer]

Also Escape to Witch Mountain. I used to watch that.

[Guest]

Yeah, it's a great.

[Producer]

When I was a kid, I used to watch that all the time.

[Nick]

Okay. All right.

[Producer]

I just watched it again recently. Escape to Escape from Escape.

[Nick]

What it is was Kyle and all those.

[Producer]

Oh, no. Kim to Witch Mountain.

[Guest]

The original.

[Nick]

Okay, well, Sydney Sweeney is less fun.

[Producer]

To say and alliteration.

[Nick]

It is. Sydney Sweeney is single.

[Co-host]

And my DMs are open.

[Producer]

No, I want you to say that five times fast.

[Nick]

Sydney. Single. Cindy. I can't.

[Producer]

Can't not.

[Nick]

It's so hard. The men of the world rejoice.

[Producer]

Yes.

[Co-host]

And the women.

[Guest]

And the women.

[Nick]

And the ladies.

[Producer]

And we did say her DMs are open.

[Guest]

So are mine.

[Co-host]

We are looking for a third Sydney.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

For sure.

[Nick]

I'm gonna go. By the way of Tyler.

[Guest]

Cindy, I'd be cool if you just, like, did whatever you wanted to do. I'll stay at home.

[Producer]

I don't even know what that means.

[Mary]

What does that even mean?

[Guest]

You know, the whole Glenn Powell. She can do whatever with the media. I'll sit back in my chair.

[Nick]

If she wants to fake.

[Guest]

If she wants to fake a relationship.

[Producer]

Go for it the way that you said that.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I'll just sit back and let you do whatever you want.

[Guest]

I'm shooting my shot. It worked for Travis Kelce.

[Mary]

You were intimating a lot there.

[Guest]

I didn't mean to do that.

[Nick]

I really. I think her and Glenn Nissan need to do it.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, date.

[Producer]

Well, not according to Glen Powell's mom. Cindy, they are definitely not together. Yeah. She said, we love Sid. Sidney. We've considered her just a really, really good friend. We were all together so much, and we haven't seen her in a long time. She's really a friend and we all enjoy her. There's nothing going on behind closed doors.

[Co-host]

Listen, that. This is what I've been saying all along. I felt like that's why she was at the sister's wedding, is when they were filming that movie together. I'm sure his family was there a lot of the time. She got close with his sister. She got married. She's like, sidney, you have to come. Please come.

[Nick]

But they're just both extraordinarily hot.

[Co-host]

People, it doesn't help that Glenn's girlfriend at the time, they did, like, break up, and there was, like.

[Nick]

She was not down for the fun.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Didn't you spend New Year's Eve with her and Glenn? Was it.

[Co-host]

So do you have any tea on Glen and Sit or. Nope.

[Producer]

I just think that in the same. In it, I'll compare it to Dorit and pk, but it's like, when you put your career and everything above your relationship and leave the person that cares for you most in the dark.

[Co-host]

So you feel for the ex girlfriend.

[Producer]

100.

[Co-host]

100.

[Nick]

Okay, okay. 100. Well, I do.

[Co-host]

I remember her, like, post on Instagram that was, like.

[Producer]

Like, finally free or something.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

She was, like, walking by herself or something.

[Producer]

She moved. She, like, started a new life. And, like, she looks fabulous.

[Co-host]

It was very like you, Glenn Powell. Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, listen, like, I. I get their. I get their actors, and I get. They got a. A movie to promote, but. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Do y'all remember the Jessica Chastain, one of my favorite actors of all time?

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it's the Oscar Isaacs. Yes. Them on the red carpet.

[Nick]

They're on the red carpet. He's, like, caressing her.

[Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

And then people are like, wait, he's married. Like, no one knew.

[Co-host]

And we're like, that is a moment. That's My Roman Empire. I think of that red carpet moment constantly.

[Guest]

I'm so glad you brought that back into my memory.

[Co-host]

It is.

[Nick]

So what do you think about it?

[Co-host]

Well, I also did not know he was married. I loved the two of them in. What's the name of that show that they're in?

[Guest]

It was Scenes from a Marriage. It was a remake of. Yeah. Remake of a movie.

[Co-host]

And I just remember watching. It was, like, a video of them on the red carpet. And the way that he, like, kissed her arm. It was so romantic.

[Nick]

It was like literally any woman who ever watched that scene turned to their husband and said, why don't you look at me? Like that.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it was like, well, because they're acting. They don't.

[Co-host]

They.

[Nick]

He's got a wife, and that's not her.

[Co-host]

They one upped the, like, whisper and laugh in the ear on the red carpet. You know how a lot of couples like to do that. And you're like, what are they saying? Because whatever it was, it was so funny because now, like, usually smile.

[Producer]

I think you have to look over here.

[Guest]

Funny in that.

[Co-host]

Yeah. But now he. Yeah. Wow. Throwback to that.

[Mary]

Love Jessica.

[Guest]

Love Jessica.

[Mary]

She's from Sacramento, my hometown. Huge represent.

[Guest]

Amazing. I love when people get old Hollywood with it. Like, with the way they do things in the press. Getting old Hollywood, you feel like that's old Hollywood. Yes, it is.

[Mary]

She's like a Britney Spears to me. She's like America's sweetheart to a lot of people.

[Guest]

I love that Old Hollywood, too, is Britney Spears fears.

[Mary]

Well, okay, that's not what I was saying, but I was saying that I.

[Nick]

Don'T feel like guys who are fans of her are calling her a sweetheart.

[Mary]

Well, I think a lot of people, like, lust after them.

[Nick]

Well, they're just perverted.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But she leans in, you know, does.

[Co-host]

She lean in Sydney? Oh, to the, like, romantic.

[Nick]

The attention.

[Producer]

Yeah. Like the, like. Well, aren't they Aren't there when she could very easily be like, y'all are stupid. Like, I'm producing this movie. Yes, we want to sell it. It's like, no. Like, let's lean in and make you guys wonder whether or not now you want to see it because you want to see our chemistry. And aren't we. Are we? Uh, But a source says about her breaking off her engagement, what did make her overwhelmed, though, was her relationship and her wedding. She didn't feel right about it. And Sidney is in the middle of this magical career that she could only dream of a few years ago. This is what she wants to focus on right now. She's not ready to settle down. They only lasted for this long because it was hard for her to break it off. They didn't split because there is no love. They split because she wants to focus on her career right now.

[Nick]

I respect it.

[Co-host]

You know, she's definitely blowing up and in the. The peak height of her career right now. And I get, like, list planning and wedding is a lot. And I understand her being like, I don't have the time for this right now. But it is sad that, like, she had to end a relationship over.

[Nick]

It sometimes end. And it is sad.

[Producer]

But didn't they have, like, a working relationship as well? Like, didn't he, like, executive produce the majority of her projects?

[Co-host]

I know he was a producer on Anyone but you.

[Guest]

He was, yes.

[Co-host]

So that's why I think a lot of people were.

[Nick]

Well, we're wishing everyone involved the best, especially Ashley Glenn. Up next, the hilarious comedian Eliza Schlesinger has a new hilarious special out on Amazon, and she joins us next. There's so many great shows out there that we're watching, and sometimes they're on different platform, different streaming services, and sometimes you Sign up for those services just to watch your favorite show. The show ends and you're still paying for something you're not using. That's where Rocket Money can come in and save the day. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so that you can grow your savings. It really is fantastic. I mean, there's so many apps out there on your phone that you've tried, you forgot and you are being billed for them. You probably, probably don't even realize. I found out that I was wasting so much money. Rocket Money saved me over a thousand dollars and they're saving their average customer up to $740 a year. It's truly phenomenal. Rocket Money's dashboards give you a clear view of expenses across all accounts. Easily create personalized budget to help track spending. Get alerts if bills increase in price, unusual spending activity, or you're close to going overbo budget.

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[Giacomo Gianotti]

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[Nick]

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[Giacomo Gianotti]

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[Nick]

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[Giacomo Gianotti]

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[Nick]

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[Giacomo Gianotti]

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[Nick]

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[Giacomo Gianotti]

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[Eliza Schlesinger]

We're here.

[Nick]

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[Giacomo Gianotti]

Excludes restaurants.

[Nick]

Eliza, welcome to the show.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Hey you guys, how are you? This is great.

[Nick]

We're talking candles and babies.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Can we talk about your set? You know what this gives, like, the vibes are, like, you make, like, really expensive, like, hair gummies. Like, the color. It's just, like, in a nice. It comes in a nice metal package or like, it's some sort of, like, feminine vitamin. It's a very sporty, country club, feminine vitamin space.

[Nick]

Does it make you want to talk and open up?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And it just. I'm just like, is there free merch? Like, it just looks like, like, creatine gummies that, you know, tone, not bulk.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

There's an ad for that somewhere on Venter, and that's made me think of it.

[Nick]

Thanks.

[Co-host]

I love the green.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No, it's very. It's, like, masculine, feminine. It's a good. I like the green.

[Nick]

Well, hobby.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Ben, I want to talk about this set more. I'm great.

[Co-host]

Nick is obsessed with the color green.

[Nick]

I. I've been on a real green.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Well, this is a varsity green versus, you know, like, a Kelly green, which is obnoxious. So this is a good green.

[Nick]

Kelly green.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Kelly Green's like that Irish, like, leprechaun kind of.

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Like, almost neon. Ish.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

This is like an. It's called academic green because I have it in my kitchen. Like, a darker. Like, you would see this perhaps in the hallowed halls of a university or something.

[Co-host]

Like a forest.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Like a forest.

[Producer]

Nick's also a Green Bay packers fan.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I gotta be honest. I've played there. I mean, it is. It is weird to have a whole. Like, that is the culture. Like, full houses are painted. Like, it is just. You get that in cold cities. Like, the whole thing revolves around.

[Co-host]

They have nothing else to really get that in Cold.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

That's why Nick's mom had 11 children.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Wow.

[Co-host]

It was so cold.

[Nick]

So cold.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

So cold. You had to turn to podcasting for a warm embrace.

[Nick]

Well, they just needed one more body, you know, just kind of sit next to each other. Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Can you dad give your mom a break?

[Co-host]

He likes to refer to himself as Thumper, which is hard for me to personally hear, so that's a weird thing.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I mean, I'll. I'm fine with hearing that, but.

[Nick]

Because I don't think he gave himself that name.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I think one of the kids did it.

[Nick]

No, because people he worked with, I think did.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Are they still together?

[Nick]

My parents?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Okay.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I think you got to be at that point. Where else you're gonna go at the.

[Nick]

You know, you're gonna get divorced after 11.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Which one are you and the 11.

[Nick]

I'm the second oldest.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Okay. So you. You know, you had some time to be like one. Like kind of the.

[Nick]

I was. Oh, yeah, I was. I'm an only child with 10 siblings.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah, that's the way to look at it.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

That's how I would look at it. I have one brother and I'm like, but it's me.

[Nick]

Well, I had a sister older than me, and then I have two sisters after me, and then my oldest brother is seven years younger.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

That's a tough one.

[Nick]

So I just kind of did my thing.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It was very seven years. What is that? Your parents were just like, you know what? Let's pick it back up again.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, no, that. Two. That two girls in between. But Michael's brother is seven years.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Still missing some.

[Co-host]

But then. But the youngest.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

How's the youngest? How old's the youngest?

[Nick]

19.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And how old are you?

[Nick]

44. I'm six months closer in age to my father than to my youngest sibling.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Right, that's. You've done that math. You've had a flight to do that math.

[Co-host]

Well, a flight with no wi fi.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It's a Southwest flight. Are you going to have 11 kids too? Because you could.

[Co-host]

Personally don't know if I could push out 11 through my vagina, but. Why?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Is there something.

[Co-host]

Well, after one, it was just, you know, it's like 11. It's really hard to think. I think it gets to it.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I don't think you have to do it. I think it just does it.

[Co-host]

It just falls out.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I just think, no, but I just think if you did one and you wanted 11, I think by that eighth one, you're just like. You yawn and you're like, oh, there it goes. I think it does get easier.

[Nick]

I do. I do think that's true.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

The second one was easier. I was like, all ready to push. I was like, here we go. And they're like, here he is.

[Nick]

And I was like, oh, how is two, like, parenting two children versus one? Like, how much more difficult are we talking here?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I'm not going to sit here and be like, I do it all. Like, I have help. But I did get, like, this morning, had a very emotional talk with the nanny. She's like, you got. She's Jamaican. And I do a terrible Jamaican accent. And she's like, you do not pay enough attention to him. And I was like, yeah, cuz we have. You.

[Nick]

You got lectured by your nanny.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And she was right. And I felt really bad. And I was like, I have to, like, pull it together. But she was. And I was just like, but he's a boy. And so he's extra strong and extra squirmy. And I'm like, it's not the funnest hang to, like, hold. It's a full. It's like holding a crocodile. Like, it's. Or like an alligator. Like, it's just wrong. Rolling. And my daughter's three, so she. So I was like, but you can't just put him off until he gets older. Like, then we'll hang out.

[Nick]

So I would have a hard time getting parenting notes from my. My nanny.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, really? I take all the notes from her because she knows better than I. And she was our daughter's nanny, so anything I didn't know, we just asked Myrna. And so everything I know now is because of how she did it. And that's.

[Nick]

How'd you find her?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It was an accident incident. Oh, no, she was. She was. We were in line at Ralph's. No, I. We had hired a nanny because that's in my mind. I was like, this is. I was gonna go. I'm gonna spend my money on this. I'm gonna have a baby nurse that lives with us. I'm not. I'm a touring comic. Like, I've got, like, three jobs. Like, I'm not getting up in the night longer than I have to. I don't care what anyone thinks about that, because you would, too, if you could. And I had her all. Her name was Cheryl. I had her all set. I had done, like, a FaceTime with her. I'm like, great. I sent her the deposit of, like, a couple thousand dollars. And like, four weeks before I was going to give birth, she gives me. Sends me these, like, really grainy videos of her, like, not feeling well. And I was like, this feels like a scam. And then she sent me one of her in a hospital. She was like, oh, I've got bronchitis or something.

[Co-host]

That was the same picture that the Brad Pitt is.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, my God, that is so funny. This predates that, but that is so funny. And I was just like, why is your head on? Why are you white? And she was. And so I was just like, okay, well, I'm sorry. I hope you're okay, but. But, like, what about that money? She was like, I'm going to send you my cousin. And I was like, I don't know your cousin. Like, I don't really know you, but, like, I had my heart set on you. Myrna just showed up. She sent her the money, the deposit. I came home from the hospital. There was. Myrna took my Baby. And she's been with us. That was. That was it.

[Co-host]

Wow.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

When you are that vulnerable, you're like, okay, here, sure. You seem trustworthy. I need to go take a shower. I'm going to wash this blood off.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And that's great. And she's great.

[Producer]

And she's a. With you still.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

She came back. She was the first person I called when I got pregnant with my son before my parents. And I was like, can you get back here? And so she did. And she lives with us. And I hope she never leaves, but at some point, I'll have to learn how to be a mother of two. So. Yeah.

[Nick]

Your movie about, like, an ex boyfriend. That was a crazy story.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Good on paper.

[Nick]

Good on paper.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You can watch it now.

[Nick]

Tyler. Tyler Cameron's in it. He is Bacher alum.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

That was my. That was our big star poll. We got Tyler Cameron and he had a cute little scene.

[Nick]

A nice little scene. Yeah, he was real hot back then, you know. He's still hot. Like, physically.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Nothing happened to him. He was very nice. Very nice man.

[Nick]

But I remember we have a mutual friend. Alon. Gail.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, okay.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I saw you do a standup long time ago. And you told this story about this crazy story about this ex. And I remember when the movie came out, I was like, I know this story. I've heard her tell this story. It's such a crazy story. Can you remind my audience just a little bit of background? Just because we have a lot of daters who listen to this show and.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It'S blind or informed for the first time. It's basically a story about this movie that I made is a few years old now, but it's about me dating a sociopath. And it's this, like, story where you meet someone and they tell you all these amazing things. And my story is a little bit different because this wasn't. This movie sort of falls into that, like, weird category of the Tinder swindler and, like, those kind of things. Or Dirty John. Like those kind of things. My movie came out before all that. And I do think that these things happen, especially to women, but more than we realize. And it's only now that people are talking about it. But I basically met someone. We were friends, and then eventually we started dating. And I learned that every single thing he had said about himself was a lie. And where my story differs from others is that he wasn't telling me things like, oh, I'm a prince or I've got billions of dollars. He just, like, said he Went to like, a good school and like, worked at a hedge fund. Things that I am not so impressed by. It's just different.

[Nick]

Like, we live believable, but, like.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

But totally believable.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Went to Yale. I'm like, cool. So did my cousin. Do you know Brett? Like, it wasn't like, oh, my God, how did you ever get in there? And then slowly but surely, every lie, from the things that he did to the people he knew to where he, like, everything unraveled and it. So it's. It's high stakes in that. It's your heart, but it's not high stakes. Like, oh, I loaned the guy money or something. But it's a true story. And so I wrote that.

[Nick]

It's a great movie. It's obviously, it's very funny, but it has a. It's. It's a dark comedy in a way.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It's a dark comedy when you realize that it's is a. It is a mostly true story. I say it's a true story based on a lie. And so it really did happen. And no, I don't know where he is. And no, I don't know if he ever saw it. He's probably dead in a ditch. Like, he probably lied to the wrong person and so that was.

[Co-host]

Or he's probably lying that he's dead in a ditch percent or he's telling.

[Producer]

Everyone the movie is about him.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah. Which is like a weird badge of honor.

[Nick]

All jokes aside, how are you able to, like, work through that? I mean, people in relationship. I mean, bad things happen to all of us in relationships. People get cheated on. We have partners lie to us all the time, you know, whatever. But this, this is a. This is one of those things that, like, for some people, real fucks really fucks them up, you know, like going forward, like, how did you.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Work through all that and move forward to where you are today, which is in a seemingly much better place than when that was all going on.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Proud mom of one. I mean two. I have a son. You know, that happened. I think I was like. The whole thing took place maybe over two years. So let's say I was like 32 or 33. So, you know, I wasn't you like a naive kid moving through the world. And I had had other relationships and, you know, met people that you're like, oh, maybe this could be the one. So I was know a formed person. But I. I am smart enough to. And at the moment. In the moment have acknowledged that it was a crazy thing that happened. So this Isn't like, you get cheated on and you've been cheated on before, and then it kind of becomes this, like, weird pattern. This was. I knew this was a freak thing, and it had nothing to do with me, because it wasn' I met him and I was like, oh, my God, you're so impressive. We were friends. I was like, I am not attracted to you for a very long time. And then because women have this stupid capacity to be in love with a personality, I eventually fell in love with this person, despite the fact that they're not attractive. Like, this happens. You wouldn't understand. Men can't do that. Also, your wife is beautiful, but, like, men are never like, she's so ugly, but she's really funny. I know we're in love.

[Nick]

I've never met that guy ever.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

He's like, her punch lines are sick, but that one eye is closed. And. And so I just knew that it was weird, and I knew that I didn't want to be the kind of person who dragged that around like, this albatross and, like, paid it forward. So I just took time to myself to kind of do whatever I wanted after that. And I was very honest with any of the guys that I met. Like, hey, like, I feel. I'm feeling really bad right now, so I can't really be in a position to, like, be anyone's girlfriend. Which, of course, just makes men want you more when you're like, I'm unavailable. And I just took my. And I wrote about it, and I wrote that movie. And so what started out as this very angry, vengeful thing turned into art that, in the end, really wasn't about him as much as, like, a comedic exploration of something. And so in the end, I came out totally clean because I wrote about it.

[Nick]

That's awesome.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Because that doesn't usually happen. And to be able to take something that obviously affected you and turn into something you're really proud of is a pretty cool thing.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You know what?

[Guest]

I.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It was my goal, and I appreciate that, that you said that. I think sometimes we carry around these things, and it becomes your personality, and you don't want to be that. Like, you don't want to be the girl that's, like, still talking about. Like, it's not like, we got married, we didn't have kids. Like, it was just super fucked up. And so I just. I was just like, I want to be so far away from this. So I worked through it myself, but I knew it was such a weird thing that the odds of that Happening again were basically zero. And so I just decided to move past it.

[Nick]

But you're right, though. Like, we. I've done that where, like, a breakup becomes your personality, you know, and you talk about it and you think that, like, no one can relate to your plight because, like, you've been broken hearted in ways that no one else has.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You're like, how's the world still revolving? Like, when he broke up with, like, we've all been there. This was just. I processed it, everyone. And it also helped because we all went through it. Like, my friends had met him. Like, we all put the pieces together in real life. One of my friends was with me when we went to the house and discovered it wasn't the house. Like, so in a weird way, we all got to unpack this together.

[Nick]

Oh, that's nice.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it was like a scavenger hunt.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Kind of like an emotional scavenger hunt. Yeah. So fun.

[Nick]

You have a new special out on Amazon. Congratulations.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Thank you. Which one's my camera?

[Producer]

Thank you.

[Co-host]

The one with Nick's face above it.

[Nick]

You've had many, like. Does it get harder and harder to, like, come up with new material? Does one of your specials have a closer feel to your heart than others?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It doesn't get harder and harder because, you know, we're always observing as artists. You know, we're always evolving. One would hope so. It's not harder. You just are changing your perspective. I think if anything. Anything, there's just a little. It's not so much that there's more thought, but now that you're older, you realize the weight of words. And now that we've all been on the Internet for a while, you know, if I say this, it's going to be out there forever. Your perspective broadens. My first special was somewhere in my 20s, and so it's a limited scope of what you can fully comprehend. It's not about being stupid or something. It's just about, like, your life experiences. And then. So we just got. I have different things to talk about about at 42 than I did at, whatever, 28 or whenever that first one came out. And so. Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you enjoy writing more jokes about, like, being a mom and a parent versus, like, you know, a lot of your specials back in the day talked about dating.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And. And going out there and as a.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Single woman, I mean, there's still the observations about men and women, but it's less about dating and it's more about explaining why we do the things that we do. A little bit of insight into our thought process. Process in this special. I don't really have any jokes about being a mom. It's something that I'm wrestling with as a quasi new mom because it's a hard thing to depart from all the things you ever talked about to being like and now mom jokes. And so the commentary is really more on the experience versus like. And my kid said the funniest thing. And a big part of it is I don't really want. I'm reticent to share a lot about it cuz I'm still not sure about how I'm feeling. Like becoming a mother is such a life alter altering, shattering, affirming, incredibly beautiful, painful thing all at once. And so I'm still processing it. And so I want to be respectful of that. And I don't want to say anything that I might regret later just because I was feeling it in the moment. Because I'm so protective of my children. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Co-host]

Did you always want to be a mom or did the desire for children come later in life?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I have to think that other women feel this way. I, first of all, my mom had me a little bit later in life, I think like in her mid-30s, but not like in her 20s. So to me it was always very normal to have kids later. And my mom never pressured me. Like my family never said anything. So it was never like, when am I gonna do it? And I just kind of always knew in the back of my mind, like, yeah, one day you'll have a little girl and maybe a little. And like a little boy. One day you'll have kids. I just knew that I would. Like, there's just things that you know intrinsically, inherently, you're like, I'll just do that one day. Like one day I'll run a 5K. That's not me. That's like other people never gonna do that. Who. Who cares? And so it was something that I wanted. And then when we got married, we were like, all right, well let's be married for a little. We'll get around to it. But I never felt the, the age was prohibiting me from accomplishing that. I mean, eventually it will, it's going to get a lot harder the longer you wait. But I just knew that I would come into it at some point. Yeah.

[Producer]

You also had a bit in your special that was about telling women that like, men don't care. And my boyfriend really appreciated that because you were sitting there being like, no, I'm disgusting. No, like, don't touch me. And it's like, because you think that they're thinking so many things.

[Co-host]

You think that I haven't shaved my legs. And please don't look at them. I haven't shaved my legs.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

He's like, I don't. Do you, do you have legs now? People, like, people without legs also have sex for sure, but. But guys don't. It's just about all the things that we are conditioned to think matter on some level. Might for your own self esteem, but like most guys, he's just like, I didn't even know you had hair. Yeah, I didn't even know you had eyes. Glad you're here. So, yeah.

[Producer]

But how did you come up with your style of comedy? Because you are like a storyteller. You kind of take us all on a ride of like, what's going on with you from the beginning to the end. And it always has, like, callbacks. You're. You're just like. And I think you're always like, educating us. And I really do appreciate that.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Teach the babies.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I mean, look, I didn't invent the callback. You know, that's. To me, that's. Maybe it's old school, but I think that's a very polished way to end something.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think it is kind of old school.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I love it. I love it because it shows that you put thought into it. Because I do think of it as a body of work. I think of this as a piece of art. I don't think of it as. I know it's a piece of art. You know, you're constructing these ideas and these vignettes. And I've just been doing those for 20 years. And so it's just evolved. I came across some like, camcorder footage of me doing stand up. And I. When I was younger. And it's. For what it was at the time. It's like, okay. But, you know, it's. It's pretty unwatchable. I just like, I love sketch comedy growing up. And so for me, when I tell a story, I'm not. I'm not like a setup punch kind of comic. I am creating a scene and I see it so vividly in my head and I am just trying to act out what I see in my head. And I think if I hunch over, if I do a voice, it will, will. It will create that image for you guys as well. And so it's just me deeply wanting to convey the story and the scene that's in my head, even if I don't look like.

[Nick]

Isn't it crazy? Did you, when you saw that, like, old video, think about, like, all the things that you had to go through between that person and are you today? And like, had you known all the obstacles you'd have to overcome, like, would that person still have tried what, you know, what you've accomplished? Does that make sense?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously if we could all go back, we'd flat iron our hair so much less. Maybe I would, you know, and not.

[Co-host]

Tweeze so much of our eyebrows.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah, I see my. I'm older than you, so tweezing was in the 90s when I was too young to do it, and then it wasn't a thing. But I do. I. It is a young person thing. You've got great eyebrows, though. Yeah, I guess I missed the. Missed the tweezing note. I was thinking about that one, which is not your question. I think there is. The beauty in being younger is that you don't. You truly don't know what you don't know, and you think you know everything. And so it is if in that gorgeous ignorance that you dare to try, because if you did know how hard it was, then you would be paralyzed, like, now that we see all those pitfalls. But there is a strength in just going, no one said I couldn't do standup. No one said I could. I just did it. And I didn't have anyone to look up to or imitate, so I just sort of made it up as I went along. And then you sort of become your own little micro blueprint. So there is something, you know, you get comics that are like, oh, growing up, I watched Richard Pryor. I watched, you know, just. And they just named these comics. And I didn't. I watched sketch, and I had comedians, like funny people that I liked. And so I was just sort of doing it because I didn't know that I couldn't.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

Does your daughter know that you're famous and funny and cool? I don't think.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah. I made sure to tell her. I was like, just know, mommy's really famous. She doesn't know. I don't think she has a comprehension of, like, what fame is. But I took her on the road this weekend. I had some shows in Florida, Florida that like, basically rounded out the American leg of a get ready tour, which I'd been on for like, a year. And I took her and I let her open the show. I let her say, like, hi. Hi, Tampa, you're here to see my mommy. And I let her run on Stage for a second. I don't post pictures of her. So this is. The stage was dark. I let her run on stage, and she ran on stage. And for the few people that were looking at the stage, they started clapping. So she runs back.

[Nick]

I go.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Go out again. So she runs out again, and more people clap, you know, And I let her go a third time. And I saw the look on her face when she put two and two together. Like, if I come out here, people will cheer. Doesn't this feel good? And the whole room of, you know, this is like 1800 people started applauding. And she ran back, and it was such a beautiful moment just to see that. And then she was like, again. And I was like, we don't overdo the bit.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Rule of three, you don't go back out. Then. It's weird. And so that's very cute. It's. It was really cute. I think she gets that I tell jokes, but I don't think she knows. Like, she doesn't know any different. She thinks this is a normal job. Right.

[Nick]

Wow. Did you finish season two of Severance?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I did.

[Nick]

Were you satisfied with the ending?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah, I. The ending of Severance, season two was what we've all been waiting for. Are you guys Severance fans? Yeah, we are. This is a Severance podcast. Don't see it. It's too late for you.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You haven't watched it.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You can't catch up. You should just.

[Co-host]

Some people are pissed in the.

[Producer]

I haven't seen it, but I'm not going to watch it.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Okay. It's too. Too much. Yeah, it's too much. We waited. And also, as fans, like, we waited so long for that season, too. The last episode was what we. Because it was a slow burn. It was a real hang of a show. It's like a white lotus set in an office. Like, it is just a hang.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, basically, take you the whole first season to even know what's going on.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, yeah. And then, you know, halfway through season two, you're like, do they know what's going on? Like, how's this goat going to come back? So I think that episode was well worth the wait.

[Nick]

Okay. I was. I was very satisfied. Some people were mad. Mad about any mark, but people like to get mad.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No one's ever like, that's exactly what I wanted. So perfect.

[Nick]

Well, then. But yeah, it felt like the people. The ending they wanted would have just ended the show. Right.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You want to. They want. What I want is like a full, like, dogma explanation. Of like, what is Kier? What are these beliefs? Who had those paintings made? What's with the goats? What else is happening? I think they did a pretty good job of the alternate reality reality thing.

[Nick]

Are you watching White Lotus too?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yep.

[Nick]

And are you?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I'm sorry, I wasn't getting, like, emotional.

[Co-host]

No.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I was like, oh, my God, you hit our heart.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I feel so bad for that third brother. Me too. No, I just.

[Nick]

We don't have to talk about it.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No spoilers, you guys. Yeah. You guys.

[Nick]

Yeah. You're feeling good about that. We just. We just watched last night, the most recent episode.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I think the part that hits home the hardest. I'd be really weird if I related to Saxon at all is the three best friends. Because you cannot have female friendships in threes. Don't DM me.

[Producer]

Like, me and my friends are.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

We are.

[Co-host]

I can't.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

There's always like the little side conversations.

[Producer]

The friends of dm, you being like, no, but my friend group, it's like, call me an ear.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Women always, always have one real best friend. Yeah.

[Co-host]

There's always two that are closer. You know, like, there's always one person in a group of three that's like, not really in the mix. They're just kind of like along for the ride.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Also, what's her name? Carrie. What's the actress? Carrie Coon. There's so much fruit in this show. All anybody eats as fruit. And I get that we're in Thailand. Like, you're gonna have diarrhea and everybody. No one's eating real food at any point. It's always fruit. And she's. She has so much fruit at breakfast and it's just chunks of melon dinner. And you know that that is not the first take. And they are just eating melon and tropical fruits at every meal. Like fruitarian.

[Co-host]

It looks like a lot of cantaloupe, which I'm. I am personally upset by because I don't feel like it is a real fruit.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I love cantaloupe. I love a good cantaloupe. We get a lot of.

[Co-host]

So you love. You love of like, say, folks, turn up your.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Turn up your podcast right now. Get ready.

[Co-host]

Say like you take your kids to a restaurant and you're looking at the menu and you're like, what am I gonna get them? Okay, we'll do like, we'll do the fruit plate maybe for the kids. And it's a bunch of melon that you're supposed to give your 14 month old son.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

We know it's gonna Be melon. And it's not a fruit plate. It's, do you want fries, salad or fruit? I'm like, let's get the fruit. Because someone will eat this. Cause they don't know any better. But I will tell you, my husband is a chef and cookbook author and just like a food person. So he was the first one to like expose me to like how great a real melon, like an in season, hyper seasonal melon can be, like locally grown here. Outstanding.

[Co-host]

They're all hard. I feel like that's because you get.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Them at Ralph's and look, there's no shame in that. And you get a ripe one, it's great. But there's so many different kinds of melon that are in microclimates and grown. And so if you go to farmers market, go to like some of those guys that really specialize in it. And it's really, really incredible. People give a lot of to cantaloupe and honeydew because it's always there. You get a good one. Outstanding.

[Nick]

Do we think Patrick Schwarzenegger's character is going to be the killer?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, can I. So I have a thought.

[Nick]

Yeah. What's your theory?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Well, in the. So I call it a sample. Like at the end when they show the preview for next week, I get very excited about my sample. Like, weird about it. They showed a body bag and you could tell by the size of it who it wouldn't be. Like, it seemed like maybe slightly smaller. I think the guy that dies is the, the husband, the wrinkly hus. The old husband that Greg, the one that was married to Jennifer Coolidge.

[Co-host]

Greg? Yes.

[Producer]

Gary.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I don't know anyone's name on the show. Gary.

[Producer]

Sorry. Greg. Gary Glenn Ross.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah, I. I think it's. I think it's him because he's of slight build.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And I looked at that body bag.

[Nick]

Cousin Rico.

[Co-host]

Did you pause?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No, but I just clocked it.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

If there's one thing I can do, it's clock a dead body.

[Nick]

And you don't think there's any misdirect maybe?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Well, it said body bag.

[Nick]

No, but like they could have just.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Had a body bag. You can't plant a body bag.

[Co-host]

Do you. It's from.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It's from like ncis. They just like cut in a scene.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it's just the next show, like coming over after White Lotus. I feel like Patrick Schwarzenegger's career is about to skyrocket after this. Like, I feel like he's gonna be. He's gonna Be the new Brandon Skinnar or Glen Powell who's in every fudgeing show and every movie. And you're like, oh, my God, I can't get enough of this guy. Maybe he's taken off.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

He plays the character really well. We've all met Saxon.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Some people are convinced he's just playing himself, though. But it'll be interesting to see what his next role is.

[Co-host]

I've never met him, so I don't know what his personality.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I walked in behind him @ CBS News two weeks ago in New York and I was like about to say something and I was like, we don't know each. We have no clue.

[Co-host]

How was his gate?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I barely saw it. I was. Because I was getting out of my own car. But I just. It's like that thing where you're like, should I? And like, he doesn't know you. I'm not gonna go. I watch White Lotus.

[Co-host]

Like, it's also hard when you have to like, explain like in the other room. So we host a podcast. It's called Firefalls. And it's, it's. I know everyone has a podcast these days, but it's actually kind of big.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

A lot of people just let go my arm.

[Co-host]

Yeah, you're breathing too close to my face.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I do get the. I get the sense I could be wrong. Like everybody on that show is always for every season, impeccably cast. And it does strike me because it's like an actor's actor show. I do feel like people have to read for that show. I don't know if they offer any of those roles, like, those things, like, feel like hard won parts. Like you acted your heart out to get that.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I just think everybody's so perfect on that show that they just seem like they were born for that role.

[Co-host]

Sometimes I think about like you that'll always be like casting by and it'll say their name like in the credits. I'm always like, what if I just DM them and was like, hey, do you. Would you want me for anything? Well, here's the thing. My Instagram pics.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

But here's the thing that people I think don't really know in Hollywood, like a casting director can only get you the read. It's the producer that gives you the role. Like, they can just aggregate like who they think would be right for this. But at the end of the day, it's not casting who's saying like yes.

[Co-host]

And no to everybody.

[Nick]

Sure, yeah.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I mean, they have to weigh in, but it's not the casting, all they can do is get you the read.

[Nick]

When Parker Posey's character was trying to convince, like, are you okay? I know some real eligible men.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

She's like, I love him. Like, there's no way.

[Co-host]

I love Rupert.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah, I love Rupert. That North Carolina accent, at first, I was like, it's not my favorite accent. They do it incredibly well. Especially not Chris Isaac. What's his name? Jason Isaacs, who's, like, British nails it. Yeah. The North Carolina accent is low. It's like this. And I'm from Texas, so I know the difference, and I always want to hear it. I'm just like, okay. Like, it's always Tar Hills. Like, it's just. It's a low one.

[Nick]

It really is.

[Co-host]

It's some. It's. It is hard to get a Southern accent right.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

But theirs is in particular. It's down there, and so I can. I can hear it. I can. I can hear when someone's from Texas, because I am. But North Carolina, it's own. It's its own thing. It's almost like a valley accent. It's really Southern.

[Nick]

Very good.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Appreciate it.

[Co-host]

Anyway, you see that Duke is, like, pissed off that they're, like, portraying, and it is.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

They get. So, look, I play North Carolina a lot. Shout out to you. Raleigh and Durham and Charlotte. Those shows are always amazing. But, like, they get very. Like, it is Duke versus North Carolina.

[Co-host]

Everyone was like, this is so Duke. Like, for Duke, dude. Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Duke would be popping his wife's pills.

[Co-host]

Duke would not be paying their taxes.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Tax evasion. That's what you learn there. That business school.

[Nick]

Don't cheap out the government.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Where'd you go to school?

[Nick]

Wisconsin State.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

University of.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

University of Wisconsin.

[Nick]

Yeah. And then Milwaukee, both in Madison. Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And I've played there many times. It is so idyllic. It is so pretty there.

[Co-host]

Where do you like better, Madison or Milwaukee?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I guess I haven't been to Madison in a while. I mean, I think Milwaukee is a bigger market, so. But they're both great. I mean, Wisconsin fans turn up.

[Co-host]

Do you have. Have you played anywhere in, like, Alabama or. You have.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah, I played all over. I've been doing this for a very long time.

[Co-host]

Every state.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No, that is a bucket list thing. There are certain states, it's hard to get a. A gig that's worth going, so I think there's five. Like, I've never played Wyoming, but I have played Montana, which is weird. I've never. I've never played Alaska, which a lot of comics have. New Mexico is A tough one to route, and I'm blanking on the other one.

[Nick]

But, like, Jackson hall, is it just because everyone there is rich and boring and doesn't want to laugh?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No, it's not about that. It's like having a performing arts center that would give you the deal that makes it worth it. It's not always about, like, if there's people. It's about, like, what's the offer? What's the gig? How. What's the capacity? Is there a club? Is there a venue? What's the play? So there's a lot of factors. Can I tack it onto a vacation?

[Co-host]

Right.

[Nick]

Right.

[Co-host]

How did you meet your husband on Raya?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Everybody asks this. It's on a dating app. But we've been married for so long, it's like, I don't know.

[Co-host]

Have you been married?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I don't know, but long enough that.

[Co-host]

It'S long enough that you forgot we met on.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

We met on seven years. I think we met on Raya when it was, like, first out.

[Producer]

I was gonna say Rye hasn't been around that long.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Well, because I think it's changed. Like, I don't know what it is now, but it was, like, for artists.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Producer]

On the Internet.

[Nick]

And at first, like, it was like, they were just trying to get people.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Nick]

On it.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You know, I think, too, for dating apps, it's always like, men kind of get a pass. They're like, this is for artists. And. But. But. But you guys could. Come on. We just. We need men here. And so he was on there, and. And that was it. It. We met.

[Nick]

What was your first date?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Our first date was. I. We. We texted for a little bit, and I remember thinking, like, this guy's. It felt. He felt so comfortable. He was so funny and not, like, annoying funny. Like, I'm fine to laugh at someone else. Like, I definitely, like, don't need to, like, be the star. And he was, like, suggested a movie, which now that I know him, I, like, never want to see movies. And he's, like, a huge cinephile. But I suggested this documentary that had come out before. You think I'm, like, too cool for school. It was called Tickled, and it was about the world of competitive tickling. And I was like, well, this is interesting.

[Co-host]

This is playing at, like, a theater.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

This is playing what's called, like, Lemley Sunset 5. Or was the Lemley. Now it's just Sunset 5. It was like, you know, a small documentary, and I was like, this will be cool. And it turned out to be A very dark, homoerotic expose on the world of, like, the sexual underbelly of competitive tickling. Not what I thought it was going to be, but, like, kind of hot.

[Nick]

Is there any other kind of tickling?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Is there any other kind? Who else doesn't get turned on? And so we went and he talked throughout the whole movie. And I thought it was so cute because he seemed nervous. And then the movie ended, and I was like, hey, I have to go do a set. Because I had planned it, like, in case he was a dud. I'd be like, well, I've got a set. But I liked him. And I was like, I've got a set, and it's at my friend's bar, and if this works out, you're gonna have to see the act at some point. So he came, I did my set, and I knew he was a good one because my friend gave him a drink ticket. And I was like, you can go get a drink, because I don't drink before. Go on stage. And he goes, no, I'll wait for you. And he didn't have his drink until I got done. And then we took some muscle relaxers and got drunk.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Now we have two babies. He cooks everything? Yeah.

[Producer]

That's so nice.

[Co-host]

Wow. So. So does Nick. He cooks everything.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You love cooking.

[Nick]

I love cooking, yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I don't get that.

[Nick]

I'm not a professional chef, but.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Well, then I don't why we're talking about this. You better be professional chef. Talk about it.

[Co-host]

He is so picky, in particular in how he likes his food prepared and cooked.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Like, you like your grilled cheese up into squares.

[Co-host]

No crust. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

I'm not a crust kid.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Like, what? Like, what do you mean?

[Nick]

I just think there's a certain way of doing things. Right.

[Co-host]

The first time he came to visit me, I was living in Savannah, Georgia, and I was, like, played there.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I was actually just there.

[Co-host]

Really?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Oh, my God.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Johnny T. Mercer Theater. Is that right? Yeah.

[Co-host]

Oh, how fun. So he was coming to visit me, and I was, like, talking to my mom. Like, I think he has, like, kind of a late flight. Like, I should just, like, have a meal prepared for him.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

A ribbon in my hair.

[Co-host]

Yes, with a ribbon in my hair. And I was like, I think I'm going to cook him, like, chicken, sweet potato and Brussels sprouts.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

That is a real accent. Him.

[Co-host]

Him for my king. Him for my king and my mom.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Chicken, sweet potato and Brussels sprouts.

[Co-host]

And my mom was like, oh, you should do, like, goat cheese and balsamic vinaigrette on the Brussels sprouts. He'll be, like, so impressed.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It's the 90s. You should totally make that.

[Co-host]

And I was like, ooh, okay. He'll think I'm such a, like, cook, chef. And I did. I had it all prepared. He came home from. We came home from the airport, and he looked at it, and I ate it. He had, like, one brussels sprout.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

That's right.

[Guest]

You did.

[Co-host]

Smallest amount of sweet potato. He's literally choking it down. I'm like, are you okay? He's like, I actually hate sweet potatoes, and I hate Brussels sprouts with all the shit in it. I just like playing.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You said hate, hate.

[Co-host]

And I literally was like, I will never do this again. Perfect.

[Nick]

Did I say, hey, or did you hear hate, Hate.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You said. You definitely heard hate.

[Nick]

How she did a meal since, like, a whole meal.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Without me being involved.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No, tell me. You just cook for yourself, and she cooks for the family. Like, tell me. It's like, daddy's going to be in the kitchen alone.

[Nick]

No, I cook for everybody.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Do you grill?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I got to get you a copy. My husband's writing a grill cookbook that comes out next.

[Nick]

I would love that. Yeah, I love the grill.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Okay. What kind of. What kind of smoke you working with?

[Nick]

Gas.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Gas. Gas is good. Yeah, gas is good. Okay.

[Co-host]

He makes an insane steak.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

On the.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm okay.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

An insane.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

The steak's just like.

[Nick]

I'm very good at cooking. Cooking. What I could. What? I know how to cook. Like, what I know how to cook is very good.

[Co-host]

But, like, about six things, like, they're on rotate. Well, since I've been crazy.

[Producer]

You have one child.

[Co-host]

I've done. Yes.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Okay.

[Co-host]

I cook for her everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every.

[Producer]

She is very popular.

[Co-host]

All the macular, all the macaroni and cheese, all the cheese quesadillas. All of it.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

They love a cheese quesadilla. I don't like cooking, and it's not, like, a feminist thing. It just, like, doesn't. To put it in the Internet, like, doesn't spark joy like, my husband had to make. He went out of town today, and he. He cooked, like, six chicken breasts last night, and he was like, if I don't cook these, she won't eat. Because I'm just like, I'll just eat a cold chicken breast. Like someone bulking up for the high school wrestling team. Like, just out of the fridge. And some baby carrots. Wow. It just doesn't. The idea, like, I only recently was like, I will make eggs and I will put. And I will not burn them. Like, I just.

[Nick]

If I leave town, it's Chick Fil A or Thai over there.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host]

I'm more definitely saying yeah constantly.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Where do you guys get time for every meal?

[Producer]

What's that place, Sarah Chain my tie.

[Co-host]

Chain my tie.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You ever go to Anna Jack? No. Definitely vote. Best restaurant in la. It's, you know, like. It's like a night market, which I know they probably like. Hey, it's not like each other, but it's like, cool guy. Like, natural wines. The food is outstanding. You got to go. Go on a date night. Do not bring your child.

[Co-host]

Oh, perfect.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Do not bring that baby. Nobody wants to see that baby.

[Co-host]

Nobody wants to see that baby. No. Wants to hear that baby crying. Nobody wants to see that baby.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You got to go. They do, like, a Thai Taco Tuesday. And then all the food is just. You go in another couple and be prepared to, like, whip yourself into a whirling dervish of, like, natural wines and spicy food. It's so fun.

[Co-host]

Do you enjoy going in public with your children?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I do.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I do. I mean, look, the little one is so little. And so it's like. I guess you're just, like, in a thing. But I love taking my daughter. And we, you know, we don't. We let her sit at the table, and she kind of just joins us in the conversation.

[Co-host]

She's not an iPad baby.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No. And she just sits there and she eats a lot of sour cream. But we like to. I'm just so proud of her. And I. It's like being out with her and. And I'm just enjoying it. And she be little forever.

[Producer]

What's her name?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Then you hit a wall. Sierra. The most beautiful name in the world.

[Co-host]

It's a great one.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Did you already know that? Is that why you.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

By the way, it's great for an hour, and then it's like, okay, you know what? You're tired. We're gonna go.

[Co-host]

So we went to the mall recently.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Why?

[Co-host]

Well, you know, we were to look around. It was like we'd been in the house for a long time, and it was like, let's just get everyone out of the house.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

You went to Sportsman's Lodge?

[Co-host]

No, we do go to the Sportsman's Lodge.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

There it is.

[Co-host]

There it is there. But river really wanted to go on the escalator. Escalator. It was, like, huge addiction to the escalator. And so many fits. Tantrums were occurring when we Were not allowing her. And Nick was like, we just got, we have to go home. We just have to get out of here. And I'm like, I don't think she'll ever learn how to be in public. If we don't take her in public, they get tired.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And you're like, you're being bad. It's like, oh no, you're tired. I took her on the road this weekend and so I did tell her. I was like, you've got to carry your own boarding pass and you've got to carry your little suitcase. So she's like walking with it through the airport and it's adorable. No spatial awareness. Just like running into crotches like left and right. But we got on the escalator. So that's me with my backpack, her car seat on my back. My bag also her bag. And I'm like, okay, we're gonna jump. And it's like your whole core. And I get her on the escalator and then she just starts to drift up. And I was like, I have to be with you. And so it was just me leaping over steps to get her. And it was very sweet. Cuz other moms are like, I got her. If you need it, I've got her. Like people leap into action when they see you like deeply struggling. And it was fine. You want to. You want.

[Co-host]

She conquered.

[Nick]

I don't remember the last time we were. We just were killing time walking around the mall with no agenda. And it felt.

[Co-host]

Nick was terrifying. Yeah, Nick was pissed. He was like, we have to get out of here.

[Nick]

But then we bought a. A la labo Diptyque. Then I lost it.

[Producer]

How do you lose a large candle?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Big handle. Yeah.

[Nick]

Cuz we were walking around the mall, we set it down and then, and.

[Co-host]

Then his mom goes, don't forget the candle. And then he of course forgot the candle.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Expensive mistakes.

[Nick]

So I went back and bought another candle.

[Producer]

It's giving a cowboy hat on top of the car.

[Co-host]

Oh my gosh.

[Nick]

Yeah. But I. So I. I can't went back in the story. He's like, you want another one?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I'm like, yep, she's here to get another $85. 3.

[Nick]

I didn't even look at the price. I didn't even want to look at it. Just don't let it ruin my day.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Don't check that credit card statement.

[Nick]

Having a slight. Just a little extra disposal income allows me to not like worry about like if I lost something.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Why is the candle. Why are candles so expensive?

[Nick]

It's a great Question why is the same reason probably why perfume and cologne is for no reason.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

It's not because really good perfume like has to be. That is thousands and thousands of flowers crushed down to make like half an ounce of fragrance if it's nice versus like garbage. That's like half water. But yeah, like when you get like the essence of something, when you get really nice perfume. Like this is pounds and pounds of flowers and essences and things that have to like that is that are crafted the candle. I mean maybe if it's beeswax, you gotta harvest the wax or if it's soy, I don't know. But like some of these candles are just $800 for a big thing. Like what are we doing here? Who's gonna disrupt this industry?

[Producer]

Even at Marshalls, it used to be like like $10 for like a large candle and you're like yes, steel. Now you go there and it's like 25. So I haven't been back since.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Listen to me, you don't want a $10 candle. We're past that now. We know we talked about this I think before how it could. You don't want a cheap candle.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I do believe you say soy only.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I think it's supposed to be soy only. There's like a clean burn way to do it and there's a way that they're supposed to burn. Like there's a whole art to it.

[Co-host]

Like you're supposed to cut the wicks. After I bought one, I bought a wick cutter.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

And so my friend owns this candle company called Dev Candle Company. She used to. Yeah. And they make these beautiful. And they come in cement cylinders and they're really clean. And I read the website. I guess to extinguish a flame you're supposed to dip the wick into the wax so there's no smoke. And then it just comes back up and. And I guess you pull it back up.

[Co-host]

You're supposed with your fingers.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I don't know, I didn't get that part.

[Nick]

Cuz it feels.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

But if you blow it, then there's smoke. But if you dip it, no smoke. Extinguish immediately.

[Co-host]

Try it.

[Nick]

And then the.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Follow me for more hacks cut on how to tread.

[Producer]

And then I cut wick because then.

[Co-host]

It gets like big and bubbly at.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

The top and then mushrooming. You don't want it to mushroom.

[Co-host]

Holy. You are so knowledgeable.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I'm here to sell my candles, you guys.

[Nick]

I.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

No, I don't. I have them on tour, but it's not a Candle company. But yeah, I just happen to know that.

[Co-host]

Wow.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Because it is ugly.

[Co-host]

It is.

[Nick]

The more, you know, I felt like I just.

[Producer]

That's why you watch your comedy specials. You learn things.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

There's actually a whole thing at the end, like a whole appendix at the end where I just give, like, tips and tricks on how to burn candles. That's why people follow me.

[Nick]

Well, the special is called A Different Animal. It's out on Amazon Prime. Check it out. Eliza, this has been so much fun.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

This was so casual. Thank you for having me to your vitamin company.

[Nick]

Thank you for supporting the cause, Sugar.

[Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Eliza Schlesinger]

Remember that? I remember it, Sugar bear.

[Nick]

Anything else you want to plug while you're here?

[Eliza Schlesinger]

I have a podcast and I always forget to plug it. Okay. For more tips and tricks on how to be a human, I actually have a podcast called Ask Eliza Anything. We do live tapings, and it is the podcast where the listeners are the guests. So people writing questions from all over the world, things that you're afraid to ask, your friends and your families and your loved ones, and we give you the truth that you need to know. Oh, me and my co host, Emily. But I'm the star.

[Co-host]

Okay, perfect.

[Producer]

It's mine. Well, they say don't meet your heroes, but she's one of mine. And that was everything for me. So thank you for making that happen.

[Co-host]

It was so cute. After we wrapped, you're like, can I please have a picture?

[Producer]

Oh, yeah. And she was like, you want to come to a show and, like, you can send me an email. I go, I'll email you.

[Nick]

I mean, watch her special. But like that movie that she did with Tyler Cameron that's on. On Netflix. I forget the name. Good. On paper, it's. It's a good movie. It's a dark comedy and it's a very much a very true. Well based on a true story. If you love like a true crime, like, you know, man fakes or lies about his identity, like, it's. It's. It's. It's a doozy. You should check it out. Thanks for listening, guys. Next week, we have a great week lined up for you, as always, but are going deeper. Episode is a real banger. Your jaws will be dropped. Mary is like, it's real, Real good. Remember that? That one part was wild.

[Co-host]

Oh, when she talked about that phone call.

[Nick]

Yeah, that phone call.

[Guest]

I was gasping.

[Nick]

I just want to say that I. I'm glad that my opinions have been confirmed.

[Guest]

Yeah, you are vindicated a bit.

[Nick]

Told you. So. Anyways, we'll see you next.

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