E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E916 Summary Title: Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds Release Date: April 10, 2025

Introduction

In Episode E916 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall, alongside co-hosts Natalie Joy and the Household, delves deep into the latest happenings in reality television, pop culture, and relationships. This episode features an engaging mix of personal anecdotes, heated discussions on reality TV feuds, and an insightful interview with country star Jordan Davis.

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1. Spontaneous Trip to New York Bridal Fashion Week

Timestamp: 01:44 – 05:05

Nick and Natalie recount their spontaneous visit to New York for Bridal Fashion Week. Invited by Macy, a designer from the Sink Bridal Company, they attended an immersive and creatively curated event designed by Macy and her sister Madeline. The event featured brides role-playing in meticulously designed gowns, transforming the venue into a living dollhouse experience.

• Notable Quote:
  • [04:43] Nick Viall: “It was a lot of fun. Yeah, it’s, you know, in adult life to Nellie’s point, like showing up for your friends.”

2. Debate: Flying First Class vs. Coach

Timestamp: 08:20 – 10:57

The conversation shifts to a light-hearted debate about the merits of flying first class versus coach. Co-hosts Dana and Sierra share their preferences, emphasizing legroom and comfort for longer flights, while Nick expresses skepticism over the value for shorter journeys.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [09:04] Nick Viall: “And to your point? Yeah, I'm only flying first class for the legroom.”
  • [10:04] Dana: “If you’re gonna, I don’t.”

3. Bachelor Nation Feuds and Rachel Lindsay's Divorce

Timestamp: 23:55 – 35:25

Nick initiates a discussion on recent feuds within Bachelor Nation, focusing on Rachel Lindsay’s divorce from Brian Kitt. The financial implications of their split, including a significant spousal support settlement, spark intense debate among the hosts. They express solidarity with Rachel, criticizing the fairness of the settlement and questioning Brian’s actions.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [25:15] Nick Viall: “He was the guy who went on TV got to move to Hollywood, and apparently that cost Rachel a half a million dollars.”
  • [33:29] Katie: “This is facts. This is the fucking patriarchy's been like this for years.”

4. RHOBH and Lisa Vanderpump’s Favoritism

Timestamp: 35:25 – 43:37

The hosts critique Lisa Vanderpump’s behavior on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), alleging favoritism towards male cast members. They discuss how her actions have created divides among cast members, particularly during crises, and the broader implications of her leadership style on the show.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [35:27] Nick Viall: “After, like, hearing Ally’s story and like, you realize just how close James and Lisa are.”
  • [43:37] Dana: “I think there is that sort of favoritism that is given more freely and openly to the men.”

5. Clayton Eckhart’s Struggles on The Bachelor

Timestamp: 35:25 – 35:25

Clayton Eckhart, a former contestant on The Bachelor, becomes the subject of sympathy as the hosts discuss his unfortunate experiences post-show, including false pregnancy claims and relentless public scrutiny. They emphasize the need for empathy towards his difficult journey.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [35:25] Katie: “It's really fucked up that. That that happened.”
  • [35:25] Nick Viall: “This man deserves some empathy.”

6. Shanté and Brion’s Breakup on Temptation Island

Timestamp: 35:25 – 43:37

The episode covers the recent breakup announcement of Shanté and Brion from Temptation Island. The hosts express surprise and sadness over the couple’s split, discussing the emotional turmoil depicted on the show and its impact on viewers.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [36:09] Nick Viall: “They have to open their box in front of everybody.”
  • [36:34] Katie: “That was nuts.”

7. White Lotus and Mike White’s Critique

Timestamp: 43:37 – 52:53

Nick and the Household transition to discussing HBO’s White Lotus, praising creator Mike White for his indie roots and critiquing the increasing negativity from viewers as the show gains popularity. They comment on the challenges Mike faces in maintaining creative control amidst growing fame and criticism.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [49:03] Sierra: “We actually, today, our episode with humble brag came out, and we talked with Cynthia about it.”
  • [52:53] Nick Viall: “I really love that he's fighting back.”

8. Interview with Jordan Davis: Songwriting, Fatherhood, and Music Career

Timestamp: 64:35 – 107:16

In an intimate interview, country star Jordan Davis shares his journey as a songwriter-turned-artist, the inspiration behind his music, and the impact of fatherhood on his creative process. He discusses balancing touring with family life, naming his children, and the emotional connections that influence his songwriting.

• Notable Quotes:
  • [65:08] Jordan Davis: “It really hit me. They grow up quick.”
  • [70:05] Nick Viall: “I really just want to find out more...”

Key Highlights:

• Personal Anecdotes: Nick and Natalie share heartfelt moments about their daughter River’s gender reveal and the emotional bonds of fatherhood.
• Reality TV Insights: The hosts provide a critical look at how reality TV personalities navigate fame, relationships, and public perceptions.
• Guest Perspective: Jordan Davis offers a fresh perspective on blending personal life with a burgeoning music career, emphasizing authenticity and emotional honesty in his work.

Conclusion

Episode E916 of The Viall Files offers a rich tapestry of discussions ranging from the nuances of reality TV dynamics to the personal growth of fatherhood and artistry. With candid conversations and expert insights, Nick Viall and his co-hosts deliver an engaging episode that resonates with both reality TV enthusiasts and those navigating the complexities of modern relationships.

Notable Quotes Compilation:

• [04:43] Nick Viall: “It was a lot of fun.”
• [05:05] Natalie Viall: “Showing up for those types of things for your friends is so important to me.”
• [09:04] Nick Viall: “And to your point? Yeah, I'm only flying first class for the legroom.”
• [25:15] Nick Viall: “He was the guy who went on TV got to move to Hollywood, and apparently that cost Rachel a half a million dollars.”
• [33:29] Katie: “This is facts. This is the fucking patriarchy's been like this for years.”
• [35:25] Katie: “It's really fucked up that. That that happened.”
• [35:25] Nick Viall: “This man deserves some empathy.”
• [52:53] Nick Viall: “I really love that he's fighting back.”
• [65:08] Jordan Davis: “It really hit me. They grow up quick.”

This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, ensuring that listeners get a clear understanding of the key topics and discussions without having to listen to the full transcript.

Transcript

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[Nick Viall]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I almost forgot about. I was like what, what? What show are we doing today? Reality Recap Edition we another jam packed episode for you guys. Excited to bring it to you. We got the ladies from disrespectfully. Katie and Dana joining us momentarily. Plus country star Jordan Davis is joining us also. We like to call him the man who wrote the amazing song for River's gender reveal is with us. Jordan Davis is with us. It's really, you know, it's really cool to do what we do, babe. Sometimes just like, oh, and then we get to interview the guy who's like soundtrack. We picked randomly. Not even randomly.

[Co-host]

No.

[Natalie Viall]

We would. We listened to that song all through the beginning of like yes, it wasn't.

[Nick Viall]

Randomly but it's just like it's cool. It's like it's exciting to to have him on. Anyways, we're excited to talk with him. So much to get into. We just got back from a little trip from New York. We were in New York for, I think, less than 20. Well, how many hours?

[Natalie Viall]

12, maybe.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. It was. We. I felt very cool, very spontaneous. Took the wife to know.

[Natalie Viall]

I took you, first of all. Thank you. I got a text from Macy, who is the mastermind who designed all of my wedding looks. Her and her sister run the Sink bridal company. They're based in la, but they are opening a showroom in New York. And they, you know, are in. Are in bridal shops all over the world. But anyways, she texted me, it's New York Bridal Fashion Week this week. And she texted me maybe last week and was like, do you think you'll be able to make it? And I was like, oh, I've never. I didn't even know this was happening. Like, I must not have got this flyer. I don't know. So she's sending it to me, and I'm like, okay. Like, let me. You know, I will definitely try. Like, I will do everything in my power and I will try my absolute hardest. And it just so happened that, like, my mom hadn't seen river in two months, which is shocking in its own self. So she was in town to hang out with river. And it on, like, with recording schedule, everything just kind of worked out perfectly, so we were able to escape. And I feel like. Like showing up for those types of things for your friends is so important to me. And I hope other people, but, like, big moments in their life, in their career, like, where you. It might be a little hard. You might have to, like, call some people a little moving parts, spend a little money, but, like, to show up for the people that you care about and to, like, show them that, like, you're there for them and you support them and you care about them, I think is so important. And so I just, like, I know it meant a lot to them that we came. It meant a lot to me to be able to see the new collection that she has spent so much time designing and working on. And I'm just so proud of Madeline and Macy. And I was so happy we got to do it. It was so much fun. We, like, went up, we got there at noon. We took an Uber straight to lunch. We met Joe, grocery store Joe. He came and met us. We shopped around a little bit.

[Nick Viall]

It was a lot of fun. Yeah, it's, you know, in adult life to Nellie's point, like showing up for your friends. Like, I don't know, like, Natalie and I are definitely in the season of, you know, being very. I hate to hate hating hate with the word using, like intentional. But it's true, like, we're very intentional about like who we invest in our community of people. Like, who are, who are, who are the groups of people we want to like grow old with.

[Natalie Viall]

Well, because now it's like we're not just hanging out with people to hang out with people. Like, we're hanging out with people and bringing them around our daughter. And so I think it's like we want those people to be like genuine good people that like our daughter could look up to one day and not bring around people who are just here for a season or like, don't have, you know, the best intentions, like coming into a friendship.

[Nick Viall]

Anyways, I was just really impressed with the event. I, I, you know, like, who am I to have an opinion about these things? You know, I've been to so many bullshit events, you know, whether it's like sponsored by like a company or a party of some kind. Certainly fashion shows. This is more in like the fashion space. But like, you know, I've been to a lot of fashion shows and they're all kind of the same, you know, and people walk out and they show their fashion.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I feel like you, when you think of a fashion show, I mean, you think of like sitting in rows, people standing in the back, a long Runway and models walking up and down. And then the designer comes out and is like, thank you, and turns around and goes back. Well, Macy and Madeline are so creative and like a mind boggling way that she is just. They're not those types of people. So last year they did this really incredible. It was like a dinner and all these people kind of sat around a table and they had the models kind of like come through and walk around the table. Well, then this year they rented out this like three story, incredible like event space. Apparently the woman who owns it like lives there. It was just perfectly curated and like, what century was that?

[Nick Viall]

Wasn't it like a Victorian?

[Natalie Viall]

I mean her, her theme was like vintage Victorian era. So I don't know if the house was like technically Victorian, but maybe it.

[Nick Viall]

Was, it was, it was beautifully curated. Let me set the stage. So like it was an experience.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like you walked into this house and then it would like, you know, because every fashion show has models, but like there were some like famous models there which was, you know, kind of was like oh, wow. They're just so and so and like, wow. Oh, holy shit. You know. But anyways, you had all these brides, all these models dressed as brides, and basically it looked like they brought a dollhouse to life. So you had all these brides in all of Sink's, like, various, like, beautiful dresses that she's designed. And all the guests of the show basically walked in to this house and there was different levels, and throughout the levels, all these, you know, bride slash models are like role playing and doing skits. So you basically were observing, like, these brides, like, living their life and kind of brought these dresses to life. It was. It was really cool. Like, it's just really. You had all these, like, brides being brides and, like, role playing in their. In their gowns. It really was. It was such a cool experience for. For someone who has a hard time appreciating these things sometimes it was very cool.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I think she called it like the sink school for ladies or something. So it was like these brides, these models were also acting in a sense of what they were like, you know, playing around the room. They had one who was like the teacher, and she was teaching them to walk with, like, books on their heads, and there was like an art teacher teaching them how to pa and they all were just kind of like floating around these rooms. And it was just really magical and really beautiful. And it was. Yeah, it was really cool to. To be a part of that.

[Nick Viall]

Then we had a late dinner at an American bar, one of our favorites in New York, and it was so late that we were the only ones there. And it felt like I rented out the restaurant for my wife, but I did not. We were just by ourselves. There are like three other people there also. I do have a bit of a gripe, babe. We did fly coach for anyone asking. Absolutely.

[Natalie Viall]

Well, I did buy the tickets, and so I was like, well, why would I put us in first class if, like, you don't ever want to put me in first class?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, but it was a bit of a puddle jump flight. And listen, like, if you're gonna like, I don't. Sierra, why do you five first class?

[Katie]

What?

[Dana]

Because the comfort be. When I get to where I'm going, I'm fully rested.

[Nick Viall]

I got the leg room.

[Jordan Davis]

She also got our bag check for free. 100. And she just did it for me.

[Nick Viall]

And I was like, well, yeah, so that's. Yeah, but you usually aren't saving money flying first class. But, like, there might be perks, but, like. But to your point? Yeah, I'm only flying first class for the legroom, you know what I'm saying?

[Dana]

Or for the lay flat for the five hour flight. If I can take a nap and wake up, be well rested and good to go for the day.

[Nick Viall]

Listen, if there is a lay flat option and you are lucky enough to afford said option, flying first class is an incredible experience. You know, if you're, if you're flying like from LA to New York, if you're lucky enough to experience that. I wasn't until I was 35, but if you are lucky enough, it's a, it's a treat. But like, if you're flying three or four hours and the only difference is you get a shitty meal and some booze, you know, like, what's the point?

[Natalie Viall]

It's like $500,000 more.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, it's just like, just put me on Southwest and I'll pay 40 bucks to get on the flight first and sit in the front two rows. Like, what's. You're shaking your head.

[Dana]

I just. That couldn't. Couldn't be me. But that's the thing, like, when I travel, I'm very particular about how I travel, so. And where I'm traveling, when I'm traveling, it'd be if I were like, you guys being like, on a whim, we're gonna go to New York. I'm like, okay, I'll take whatever I can get, but probably business.

[Jordan Davis]

Nick also did a note till recently that if you have a baby with you, you can like board early in general period.

[Nick Viall]

Or Southwest or.

[Jordan Davis]

Yeah, well, at least Southwest. I know that's a. I mean, they like families.

[Nick Viall]

They make you feel like they like families.

[Dana]

I think you can pre board with kids on Delta too.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Dana]

Yeah, Delta Airlines.

[Natalie Viall]

But I think it's the children to board early. Like, it's after Priority. It's after our veterans. It's after first Class and it's after.

[Nick Viall]

Like, we're like Sky Priority and Delta and we're still group four.

[Natalie Viall]

Like people with children. Like, you can, you can come in like right before zone eight, I guess. Yeah, Planes half full, but sure, let's come on down, kids.

[Nick Viall]

Anyway, Natalie, we, you know, we were in and out, so we packed light. We took one bag, we shared a bag, and now he packed my bag. You have this habit of like, when you pack for me, you didn't pack underwear or socks. Like, I'm not wearing underwear right now. We're home, but I haven't had time to change. I had a. We we got home, you definitely didn't.

[Natalie Viall]

Have time to flush the toilet either.

[Nick Viall]

When?

[Natalie Viall]

Well, when you got home.

[Nick Viall]

But I peed. Just to be clear, I only peed.

[Natalie Viall]

I know, but I still only flush.

[Nick Viall]

It peed.

[Natalie Viall]

So, yeah, you definitely did not have time to put on underwear because you didn't even have time to flush the toilet.

[Nick Viall]

Am I drinking enough water?

[Natalie Viall]

Definitely not.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like it's your fault.

[Natalie Viall]

Of course it is, because I didn't pack the underwear, I didn't pack the socks, and I'm not shoving water down his throat.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, the ladies are disrespectfully Are here.

[Dana]

Bring them on in.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like this is very early for Katie.

[Sierra]

This is very early for me too. I am not a morning person.

[Nick Viall]

Are you an afternoon person? A night person?

[Sierra]

Afternoon and night. Like, I'll get up for something important, but I don't like to be up before nine. That's usually. That's where I thrive.

[Nick Viall]

Nine o'clock.

[Sierra]

Okay, nine o'clock.

[Nick Viall]

That's your sweet spot.

[Sierra]

I would say I'm lying. And my. My sweet spot is probably more closer to 10.

[Natalie Viall]

You wake up and you scroll.

[Nick Viall]

What time does it have to be for you to feel like you slept in and you're kind of like a little disappointed in yourself if it's noon, that's crazy.

[Sierra]

But I have sleeping problems. So, like, if I slept well, I know parents never relate to that. My niece, we were on the phone.

[Nick Viall]

The other day and I haven't really that I was in high school.

[Sierra]

Well, I. When I had a corporate job, I had to, but I hated it. But here we are. Good morning, guys.

[Nick Viall]

Morning.

[Natalie Viall]

Good morning, Katie.

[Nick Viall]

Well, how about you? What time do you have to wake up for you to feel a little disappointed in yourself?

[Katie]

I don't know. I haven't figured it out yet. I. I've been playing around with waking up at different times. Like today I got up way too early, but I feel like 7:30 or 8 would be good time to like, wake up. I don't. I don't want to talk to anyone like before noon. Really?

[Natalie Viall]

Are the dogs, like, jumping on your face, like, take me out, take me out, take me out. Or are they kind of snoozing too?

[Katie]

They're mostly with Tom, so I don't have them like every morning, but, oh, no, they're loud and they're mean and Gordo will come and like scratch your face and sneeze at you. He does that? Yeah, he swats at you. He like, paws on you when he wants something.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we're excited to have you ladies with us today. We were just talking about our quick trip to New York, and that's why we were talking about wake up times.

[Sierra]

Did you guys have river with you?

[Nick Viall]

No, we. We didn't invite her.

[Natalie Viall]

We didn't invite her. Luckily, my.

[Sierra]

She wasn't invited. Okay, so she stayed. She held things down.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, she took care of the.

[Natalie Viall]

She took care of the dogs. She fed him.

[Sierra]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Natalie Viall]

Supper.

[Sierra]

Yeah, she's really good. So did you sleep in?

[Natalie Viall]

She woke up at noon and she felt like she slept in. You know what I'm saying?

[Katie]

She's.

[Sierra]

Well, she scrolled, though.

[Natalie Viall]

She scrolled for.

[Sierra]

Yeah, she was on. She has a tick tock addiction like me.

[Natalie Viall]

I get it a hundred percent.

[Nick Viall]

Well, yesterday's episode, for anyone who hasn't listened to Ali Luber's episode on Going Deeper, is out now, and, boy, it is a doozy. I don't. Did you ladies get a chance to hear. Hear some of her commentary on. On that episode?

[Katie]

I saw a clip and then a transcript. I mean, it was a lot, so I was. I got the. The bulk of it mostly, but there was a lot of.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, the jaw dropping moment for me was. Was her Lisa Vanderpump phone call?

[Katie]

I guess so. But also, like, not surprising, you know? Like, it's. It is. No, it's. It is shocking because it's like, wow, like, she really said that. But also, like, I fully believe that.

[Nick Viall]

No, I fully believe it too, but, like, I definitely see what you're saying, Katie. Like, it's. It's shockingly not shocking, but, like, yeah, when you hear her tell that story first, she's like, she got a call two months later. So it's like you're not calling out of consideration, even though you're pretending to give a shit. Like, you clearly have a motive for your call. And to find out that motive was to first blame Allie as part of, like, James's actions and making her feel like her drinking was part of the reason why James was drinking and then try to convince her to get back together with the guy, given everything that's out there is just nuts. Wild behavior.

[Katie]

Yeah, I mean, it's like when Tom and I were divorcing, like, she made me feel like I wasn't justified or valid in my reasons or anything like that. And then also, you know, kind of made it about her because she's like, I wrote those vows. And I'm like, okay. You know, it's like the constantly wanting to be acknowledged for the. The generous things that she's done in life. But, like, often and unwavering. It's. It's difficult because it's like that no one's ungrateful, but, like, Jesus has.

[Nick Viall]

Has Lisa ever thanked you or. Or the cast for, like, pouring your hearts out and, like, sharing your lives for her benefit?

[Katie]

I mean, I feel like we see on the reunion, you know, she's been like, these. These guys give it their all, but it's still like, we should be just great. It's, you know, it's like just always grateful for the opportunity, more so than what we brought to it.

[Nick Viall]

That's.

[Katie]

That's the vibe I get. I'm not saying that's exactly what she said, but that's definitely the vibe I've always gotten. I'm like, since Ariana and I open up something about her, I haven't heard a peep that's from her. No, like, congr. That's. No nothing. And I don't. I wasn't expecting it and I didn't need it, but, like, yeah, so when she wanted to be upset, I also saw that she was upset that certain people didn't reach out. When the show. The news of the show came out, I was like, I didn't hear from you either. I know that you were asking Alex Baskin what all of us were thinking and saying on our phone calls with him, but, like, she didn't want to pick up the phone.

[Dana]

We're re watching Vanderpump right now for plus. And I wonder, did you feel either, like, looking back that, like, she very much favors the men on the show? And it seems like it was like, even just like, handing Tom a bar when he couldn't do, like, a bar shift. Like, it's like you've been working there consistently. Ariana was like, a top bartender, but it just seems like she very much like, favors the men on the show. And like, the women are kind of like, well, either deal with them because they're adorable or, like, I don't deal with you.

[Katie]

I think there is that sort of favoritism that is given more freely and openly to the men. I mean, she was. There was times where I was very close with her and she was, you know, she would look out, she would call, she would check in. And same with Ariana. But it's like, I think the. The major divide that happened with everybody was like, you know, the post scanner well stuff, and she really just wanted to look out for him and just kind of disregarded how that would make other people feel, right? Or what that would, like, the message it would send to everybody else too.

[Nick Viall]

After, like hearing Ally's story and like, you realize just how close James and Lisa are. And it can't help make me wonder, you know, that literally that night that James got arrested again, I was talking with James at Kathy Hilton's party and congratulating him on all his success and seemingly looking like one of the few, you know, especially guys who really like, found a groove post show and his DJ career. And now I really can't help but wonder, is it really because of James or has Lisa really been like pulling strings and calling in favors? I mean, if she's so willing to pick up the phone two months later and call his ex girlfriend and try to make her feel bad and get her to get back together with James for the sake of helping his career, like, what else has she been willing to do to make this guy happen that maybe he wouldn't otherwise make happen without Lisa's support? Because it really seems like it's almost like a mother son. Like we're like, it really doesn't matter what James does. She will always go out of her way to make excuses for him, have his back and try to cover up for his mistakes and make sure he still has a career and still works. Like, I don't know what thoughts, Katie, Dana, what do you think?

[Sierra]

I mean, I don't know how much pull she has at like Tao Group in Vegas. So I don't know that she, you know, he was getting booked with DJ things and whatever. I think that that played out on the show so he was able to leverage it. But yeah, do I think that where she could help, she would and that it's upsetting that especially in when we're talking about substance abuse issues, when someone makes it someone else's responsibility, like, you're a stabilizing factor. So you need to be there. You need to be in a relationship. That's a crazy take. And I feel like we've seen that kind of play out. But yeah, I don't know.

[Katie]

I think, I think Lisa understands that she's had a lot of influence with fans and viewers of the show, even, you know, like on Housewives. So she was very well liked and popular and her takes and her opinions of people, like, people it mattered to people and like, they would kind of be like, well, if it's good enough for Lisa, it should be good for the rest of us. So I think that kind of played into like a lot of the, the way people viewed certain other people on the show and especially when it comes to change. She's like if I can just go to bat for James, people will maybe think that I should as well or you know, that they should or like.

[Nick Viall]

He'S not that bad of a guy if like if I support him he can't be that bad. He just must be misunderstood or like something like that.

[Katie]

But it's mm. It gets to the point where it's like okay for sure if the one things are like a little bit in the gray but with something like this that's pretty cut and dry that if you should read the room, I guess. I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

Another thing I wanted to talk with you ladies about is some of the feuds going on in Bachelor Nation. I don't know if it's a feud that's still going on, but Rachel Lindsay is shedding more light about her divorce and feelings about her ex husband Brian, which I'm totally team Rachel for. And then there's other, like, commentary and Batro Nation about, like, some people like, having problems, you know, like, it's like, who's. Who should pay for what in relationship seems to be like a discussion point. Have you followed Rachel Lindsay's break a divorce at all?

[Katie]

I. I haven't, because, I mean, that was a while ago, right? I love Rachel. I think she's smart and like, I think she's great, but I don't. I don't know. The.

[Nick Viall]

Well, she's the tea. I mean, well, the tea is like, he got like, awarded like a half a million dollars or some shit. I don't know. Like, to me, honestly, it feels like he stole money from Rachel. Like, what did he do? Like, he did nothing but have the opportunity to be in a relationship with Rachel. Like, he had to move. He moved. Like the guy who went on TV got to move to Hollywood, and apparently that cost Rachel a half a million dollars.

[Katie]

I thought he was like a doctor or something.

[Nick Viall]

Exactly.

[Sierra]

He is.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. He was a chiropractor, but yeah, but like, you know, like, while married with her, I have to move to Beverly Hills.

[Natalie Viall]

I can only guess that this probably only elevated his practice and people wanted to get cracked by.

[Nick Viall]

He was given a literal lottery ticket. Like, you know, when you go on reality tv, I look at it as essentially a lot of your ticket. It's a lottery ticket with really good odds, right? Like, it's not a guarantee of fame and money, but what it is is a guarantee of access. Like, it puts you in so many rooms you don't otherwise get to go in. It gets you in meetings. It just gives you so much opportunity. And from that point, it's kind of up to you to make sure that lottery ticket cashes. And some people get to do it and some people don't. Like, and Brian basically got it done by basically marrying Rachel and then divorcing her and like, stealing her money.

[Sierra]

Wait, how long were they married?

[Nick Viall]

For a while. Like, they're in a relationship and I get it. Like divorce laws or whatever. You look at the details, it's just like, it just seems wrong.

[Dana]

Just seems they got married in 2019.

[Jordan Davis]

Four years.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

No kids, no shared responsibilities. Just. She was just more successful than him. And apparently that cost her, but not.

[Dana]

Only, like, more successful. She said that in my situation, my ex did not move three times for me. I want to say this one time. My ex did not move three times for me. We moved to Dallas because he quit his job as soon as he won the show, and I did not. So that was the only option because I was still employed. They later moved to Miami, and she said, leaving behind her legal job in Dallas for no job in Miami, nobody considers that. So he never was, like, fully practicing throughout their relationship or throughout their marriage. So she was literally the sole breadwinner and the supporter, and now she has to pay him $500,000 for what?

[Katie]

Crazy.

[Natalie Viall]

Bonkers.

[Katie]

It's ew, right?

[Dana]

For spousal support.

[Natalie Viall]

It's only okay for women.

[Katie]

You are nuts. I don't know. I got divorced. Me and Tom were just like, I don't want anything of your. Like, you have yours, I'll have mine. It just.

[Co-host]

Just.

[Katie]

We were. I mean, we were pretty equal in things, but, like, still, like, just. I don't know, like, if it feels yucky to do that, if you have kids, I guess that's one thing.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. It makes sense that, like, there's other factors at play and people to take care about when it's just two individuals, two working professionals who decided to get married and, like, have a union about their love. Like, why does someone get to financially benefit?

[Katie]

I don't know.

[Dana]

Grosser about it is the fact that, like, once he got that settlement, she was ordered to pay the first half within 10 days of the filing, and then she has until Jan. Jan. 7, 2026, to pay the remaining half. So she owes him, like, 500, 000, like, straight up, essentially, where it's like, for what?

[Natalie Viall]

But we also have Clayton and Gabby kind of going, oh, my God. Which I guess she. She went after him saying, he looks like a toe and his dancing videos will make you run. And he responded by calling her a bully. And. Right. Am I recapping this? Right, Sierra?

[Dana]

He said he was being bullied, that he's being bullied by Gabby.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Natalie Viall]

She responded with, like, you literally outed my sexual activities on national television for millions of people to hear without my consent.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, okay.

[Natalie Viall]

And then he responds by posting their DMs.

[Nick Viall]

He's posting DMs.

[Natalie Viall]

He posts their DMs from 2022 and 2023, where he's like, it's basically him just being like, you are coming after someone who has like, over and over again apologized for their actions and like, so you're just doing this to be vengeful. But like the posting of the text.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, he could have just said that without posting it.

[Katie]

Yeah, he's like such a little. And his. I'm sorry, his dancing videos are the cringiest things I've ever seen, so he should be put on blast for that. Don't do that anymore.

[Nick Viall]

Stop doing that. This man has had maybe the worst experience on reality tv, period. Like, I, I have some empathy for, for Clayton. I mean, are you familiar with his story at all?

[Natalie Viall]

No, the guy hasn't had one W yet.

[Nick Viall]

Not one.

[Katie]

Maybe you have to start being like, what's the common denominator? Him.

[Nick Viall]

Some of it is truly bad luck.

[Katie]

Okay, okay, what's the worst?

[Nick Viall]

Well, one. He. He. He answered a DM from a random person for a late night hookup. Which, you know, definitely you can criticize a little sloppiness, but he's not the first person out there who got a little horny at night and said yes to an experience. And that turned into at least a year or two of her claiming she was pregnant with like twins or something. And it became like this story and it ended up being all false and, and then this, this followed what first happened post. Bachelor is some, you know, following a season, he's still together with Susie at this point, some girl online posted TikTok that went ultra viral. Like got 40 million. I don't know, millions and millions and millions of views of her claiming that she had a one night stand with Clayton the Bachelor.

[Natalie Viall]

Like last night.

[Nick Viall]

Like last night she's like, I just hooked up with this guy and like swore by. It turns out they weren't even. He wasn't even that state. Like, it wasn't him. It was this like, like she just. I don't know, I don't know if the guy lied or thought he looked like her or whatever. Like just. He had literally nothing to do with that. And then, you know, she added like a video that like, that got like a million views to the 40 million views or something like that. That's, that's, that's his bad luck.

[Katie]

Okay, that is bad luck. But him answering the dm, engaging in this activity with like, that is fully on him.

[Nick Viall]

That's fully on him because he like had a one night standing with someone and they didn't even have sex.

[Katie]

Crazy. There's crazy people out there. I don't Know, like, if you're gonna be.

[Natalie Viall]

Literally just.

[Katie]

You gotta remember if you got something to lose, because there are people that are gonna chase you to the end of the world for clouds.

[Sierra]

So wait, they didn't even have sex?

[Nick Viall]

How.

[Sierra]

Then. How could she say that she was pregnant?

[Natalie Viall]

Exactly.

[Jordan Davis]

Allegedly. It traveled down and she said on.

[Natalie Viall]

The toilet seat, she's.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was a crazy story, but, like, she. In. In. This person apparently had a history of strong.

[Natalie Viall]

She was showing him, like, ultrasounds that were all fake. She. She was going the extra mile to, like, prove it to him, and he's.

[Sierra]

A failure of the public school system, if anything, because he didn't know that. That you have to actually be penetrated.

[Nick Viall]

He. He thought, there's no way it's mine. But, like, if you're a guy and. And you. You hook up with someone and they give you oral sex and you climax and then that person claims they're pregnant. Yeah. You're probably gonna think there's no way that's true. But then that this person sends you an ultrasound and sends you a doctor's bill positive pregnancy test. You know, you. You start getting in your head, and he. He did, and he fought it.

[Sierra]

Was she actually. Did she have a baby? Was she actually pregnant?

[Nick Viall]

No, it was all. Oh, so.

[Sierra]

So all. All of it. It wasn't pregnant by someone else.

[Nick Viall]

It took over a year to prove. He had to. You know, this was a nightmare scenario for him.

[Sierra]

Wow, that's.

[Katie]

It is fucked up. You know, but, you know, that's why you got to be.

[Nick Viall]

And on top of it, like, when that story came out, it got press. And then when he finally, like, vindicated himself, it got a lot less press. Like, truly, this man has been the unluckiest person in reality tv. And, like, I know he's an easy target and I get his dance videos or whatever, but, like, I. You know, this man deserves some empathy.

[Merit Beauty Representative]

Yeah.

[Dana]

But I'm also kind of like, Gabby's having her moment. Those, like, clips are recirculating from the Bachelor. She's being asked about it, so she's commenting on it. I'm like, she could have said way worse things than, like, he looks like a toe and that his dance videos are cringe.

[Jordan Davis]

And was it maybe rude? Maybe. Was it maybe true?

[Dana]

Did he need to respond to it? No.

[Nick Viall]

Is it impossible to think that maybe, like, she could just say, like, my bad. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, but also, grow up.

[Katie]

Like, why. Why do men always need to be coddled and held handheld through life? Have Empathy for them.

[Sierra]

The.

[Katie]

He's a white man. He's gonna be okay. A straight white man is gonna be just fine.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Katie]

I'm just saying, like, listen.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, for sure.

[Katie]

You got Tom Sandoval back on your couch crying like, who cares? No one asked for that.

[Nick Viall]

A lot of people ask for it, actually.

[Katie]

Okay, I know. I'm just saying, to Katie's point, it.

[Jordan Davis]

Is giving Saxon from White Lotus.

[Katie]

Yeah, it totally is.

[Jordan Davis]

When do you cross the line of just growing up yourself?

[Katie]

Just grow up?

[Nick Viall]

I didn't. You know. Yeah, I don't know.

[Natalie Viall]

I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

Just because he is a man and is white, I don't think it's like, this isn't missandry.

[Katie]

This is facts. This is. The fucking patriarchy's been like this for years. So the straight white men win. Even if they have bad luck, he's still gonna win.

[Nick Viall]

So no matter what, across the board, no matter the situation or the story, there is no empathy whatsoever. And he. And we are always just not going to take that side.

[Natalie Viall]

I feel like personally, Gabby could have maybe not. I mean, like, she is moved on. She is married to a woman and like that was how many years ago. It's like if she is asked about it, I feel like she didn't have to go so low. You know, I feel like they're. They. She had her, her time after the show where she like, was able to put him on blast. And it has been four years.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, this is a man who, who legitimately has like had some incre. Dark thoughts and had. Had. You know, it's, it has been really down bad in some very serious ways. And while other people are basking in their fame and success and money, like tearing other people down and, and like just living the best possible life, he is out there, like trying to make a real estate job work and just trying to find meaning in life and trying to find happiness with his silly dance videos. And I'm just saying, like, like, you.

[Katie]

Know, and he's doing this, that no one's, no one's taking that from him. He can do whatever he wants.

[Nick Viall]

No, what you talk about, you were literally said he deserves to be criticized for his dance videos.

[Katie]

Well, yeah, you're gonna put that on the Internet. That's what happens. I mean, I'm not saying, I'm just saying they are cringe.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, listen, I have an opinion. Yes, his videos are, you know, but I'm just saying, like, I don't think, like, I don't think the response to Clayton Eckhart is always needs to be. Fuck that guy because of something that happened a couple years ago. And, oh, yeah, by the way, he's a dude, so extra him. And, like, no matter what is said about him or what is done, I don't think he, like, is an eternal punching bag for people.

[Katie]

Well, no, I'm not saying that he should be. I'm just. But I'm just saying, like, he's.

[Nick Viall]

That is. That is the district on Clayton, to be honest.

[Natalie Viall]

Like, that's.

[Katie]

It's really. It's really fucked up that. That that happened. But be a little more cautious of, like, who you.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, for sure.

[Katie]

I don't know. I don't. I don't. Listen, I'm someone. I keep my circle extremely small because I don't want to have to cross paths with somebody who's like that.

[Nick Viall]

Listen.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, I literally have had conversations with Clayton about making smarter and better decisions. He's had to learn in the hardest possible way.

[Katie]

Right? Yeah. So it's. I don't know. It's like, I can have empathy for somebody who made stupid choice, but it's like, I can't. I don't know.

[Natalie Viall]

Well, switching gears a little bit, we do have Shantae and Brion from Temptation island who did finally announce their breakup.

[Katie]

Oh, wow.

[Dana]

Didn't see that coming.

[Katie]

No, not at all. The threesome things didn't do it.

[Nick Viall]

Did you ladies watch Temptation Island?

[Katie]

Oh, yeah, I watched Temptation Island. I loved it. I ate it up.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

So I'm bad with the names.

[Katie]

Which ones are.

[Sierra]

Because I. The one couple that made it at the end. What were their names?

[Dana]

Alexa and Lino.

[Sierra]

Yeah, Alexa. You're not talking about them?

[Dana]

No.

[Katie]

Shantae and Brian did leave together. They did leave together. And he had had, like, a threesome. He. She cried the whole time. It was so sad. I felt so bad.

[Nick Viall]

You heard the. The subtitles. Rhythmic slap it with the shower running.

[Sierra]

The way that. That makes my skin crawl. I have a. I don't usually watch shows like that just because my threshold is so. I have to, like, fast forward because I'm like, oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. That was. Those were upsetting subtitles.

[Katie]

That was.

[Sierra]

That was hard to watch. And then watching him get so emotional about his choices after, when it was like, well, you did that. That's fine. Go have a threesome. But don't be upset when your partner's upset about that.

[Katie]

But I got it out of my system, so let's just. Let's just get married. Like, insane, insane, insane.

[Nick Viall]

Do we think this is a legitimate breakup? Because her state. What was her statement?

[Dana]

Her statement says, after much thought and reflection, Brion and I have decided to part ways. For now, there's no bad blood, just two people recognizing that we need time and space to process this journey. I have so much I want to share with you all, and I hope you'll continue to support and encourage me as I step into this next chapter. I wish Brion nothing but the best, but I hope we're both able to grow from this experience. As I move forward, I'm excited to share more of myself with you all. Let's keep pushing forward together.

[Nick Viall]

Okay? Well, it's interesting. I mean, I would love to. I would love to find out more. You know, when we did the reunion, we were going to have Shantae on. I'm curious. Like, it does seem to be circled around, like, maybe fan feedback or people's opinions about her choice to stay with him or. Certainly some must have had some pressure. I mean, it would seem like a huge coincidence that something else caused this breakup around this time. I don't know.

[Natalie Viall]

He had another three.

[Nick Viall]

Yes, of course.

[Sierra]

Yeah. There was more rhythmic slapping happening. For sure.

[Dana]

That one happened in the real world, though, because this is just Temptation Island. That one didn't count.

[Natalie Viall]

It was different.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

What was crazy is that she said that, like, she couldn't hear the rhythmic slapping when she watched it at the bonfire. And there obviously wasn't subtitles. And so she was like, I didn't know that that's what was playing until she, like, watched it back, which is rough.

[Dana]

She just thought they were talking in the bathroom and, like, coming out with no pants on.

[Katie]

On.

[Natalie Viall]

Awful. Awful.

[Katie]

I mean, I think that there was still pretty good audio, so maybe she.

[Dana]

Just was rhythmic slapping. He opens the door and she. The girl's butt.

[Sierra]

And also it's daytime, so that was an. Even though. I mean, I guess it might be different. When you're at the bonfire, you're in the middle of it, but even before they walked out and they're like, oh, it's daytime, I noticed. I was like, wow, that was maybe the longest threesome that's ever happened in the history of the world. Because it seemed like it started at night.

[Dana]

So birds were chirping.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Dana]

But I'm excited to see what Shantae is going to do next. I think the discourse online is kind of like, is she actually breaking up with him or is this kind of a. Seeing the other girls doing social media and thriving and whatnot. Like, that the audience will support her for leaving him, but, like, is she actually leaving him or is it for the opportunities?

[Katie]

I don't know. I just feel. She's just. I feel so bad for her. Like, that. That experience was so rough. Just the difference in their. Their experiences too. Like, she's, like, crying. He's just, like. Like, getting on. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No, he gave zero.

[Dana]

I wonder, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Dana]

If they sat down and watched the whole thing together.

[Co-host]

No.

[Katie]

Yeah. So it's just. I don't know. I mean, I think. I think it's like, she's. She's obviously, like, very, like, sensitive to, like, a lot of public opinions and things, so I don't know if that's the best place for her. Yeah, it's not. I know. It's definitely not for everybody. And I just think maybe.

[Dana]

I mean, from looking at her page, it looks like there might be some, like, influencing in her future.

[Katie]

Oh, okay.

[Nick Viall]

Why do you say that?

[Dana]

By all means. Just, like, photo shoots and things like that where I'm just like, okay. Like, I mean, I don't know. I don't remember what her occupation was or She's a Pilates instructor.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, like, I told. Like, I told Taylor when we, you know, they all went on tv. You know what I'm saying? Like this.

[Katie]

Yeah. That's a.

[Dana]

Take advantage of the opportunities as they come, you know, especially after that.

[Nick Viall]

I always find it funny when neither other cast members or fans be like, you know what? I think she wants to be an influencer. It's like, no fucking shit. Like, she went on tv.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Like, I mean, I think. But everyone. Even, like, when it comes to reality, people can look and be like, wow, that's, like, a really good opportunity. I'd love to do that. Until you're doing and you're like, oh, no, this is, like, hard.

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Katie]

I think, of course, everybody would want to do it if they could, but it's just. It's not as easy as it looks.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah.

[Dana]

I'm sure when she signed up for the show, she wasn't like, my partner's gonna have a threesome.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. Also, like, leaving it with, like, what did she gain from that experience? Like, maybe she learned something about herself, I would hope. But, like, you didn't get stronger or closer with your partner.

[Katie]

He.

[Natalie Viall]

You had to watch him have a threesome. And then y'all.

[Sierra]

Clearly, I think that's what she gained in and of itself.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

She didn't marry this person in five years down the road, find out you know what I mean?

[Katie]

That is true.

[Sierra]

I think that rooting for her, she end her life.

[Nick Viall]

I want to hear whatever phone call she had with whatever family member or friend who was like, girl rhythmic slapping. You know, I want to hear what that phone call was like with that. Whoever that person in her life is. That's kind of like the friend who, like, is, like, giving her some honest feedback. I. I want to know what was said. Like, I really want to hear that phone call because someone must have said something.

[Katie]

They had to.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Katie]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

Everyone that she. I'm sure that she was close with was like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna stick this out and then show your kids one day? See, this is where daddy goes in the bathroom here and, like, no. Well, fast forward lay that relationship or.

[Dana]

Like, your parents or, like, family seeing that and trying to justify was the experience.

[Natalie Viall]

I can't wait for river to watch all of Nick's shows back. That's not you. I can't wait. I'm very excited. Did y'all watch Beverly Hills Housewives Part 2 reunion?

[Sierra]

No, I've only watched the first one.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, well, the second one, I was really into the second one. Really, really good. Like, Jennifer Tilly came on and obviously gave a little background about her.

[Co-host]

Her.

[Nick Viall]

Her story, her wealth, her money. And it made me think, just like, it's like, as a fan, I'm grateful that Jennifer Tilly is one of the rich ones in that group. And it really made me grateful that, honestly, that dorit isn't, because I feel like some people act differently when they have money than others, you know? And Jennifer just seems like a breath of fresh air. She still seems like a delightful queen. Yeah. You know, she buys some crazy shit. I don't know how generous she is or isn't with her money, but, like, she just. She is nice. She seems nice. I don't know. And, like, man, I. As a fan, as a fan, as a viewer, Dorit Savage. I mean, like, you. You know, everyone's saying, I didn't watch the first Dorit season of Beverly hills, and everyone's saying, like, this is the Dorit from, like, season one. And she cuts deep. She knows how to. She knows how to trigger people. She. She hits where it hurts. And I'm kind of glad that she is, like, not rolling in the dough, because I feel like she would be. Be an absolute monster if she had unlimited wealth like Jennifer Tilly.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. I also feel like sometimes, Dorit, if she would just, like, stop, like, if she Would just say her point and then stop talking. It would go over well. But I feel like she always adds so much, like, flair. You get lost.

[Nick Viall]

Oh. When she was like, there she is. Like, what else?

[Sierra]

I saw clips like, you live on the main road.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Which was like a. Like a insane line. And then she's like. She keeps going, being like, and my life is full of love. Like, meanwhile, you're going through a divorce. And she's like, I just have so much love surrounding me. And, like, that's what I would rather have over my. It's like, just stay with your statement of you live on a main road.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that was a. Like, I was. That was a mic drop. Drop the mic and stop talking. She has so much love in her relationship that PK dropped an absolute heater on Instagram last night. You haven't seen this?

[Natalie Viall]

No.

[Jordan Davis]

Justin, right after the reunion part two, he just posted on his Instagram story a picture of him either exiting a door or walking in. And it says, it's better to admit you walked through the wrong door than to spend your life in the wrong room. What room is he talking about? I'm assuming with Dorit to read, but.

[Natalie Viall]

I cannot do these Pinterest.

[Sierra]

I mean, I was kind of surprised by her feedback in the season when she. He was asked, like, well, he's a good father. And she said no. Because his statement in the first one, like, I think that that's a really hard line as a parent. If you're going to say on national television where your children will have access to that. No. Even if that's. That's how you feel, that's a really bold thing, I think, to put out there.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah.

[Sierra]

So I guess I understand why he's like, fuck you. But, I mean, I feel. I feel for Dorit right now. I think that her. How she's acting is a reflection of her turmoil in her life right now. Not like that's right or wrong. Just saying it seems like she's going through it.

[Nick Viall]

It. No, I mean, I'm such a fan of Dorit. Like, as a housewife. Like, I find her to be one of the most entertaining ones. She seems like she has a real mean side to her. Like, if you really fudge with her. And, I mean, I just think it's.

[Sierra]

Hard to say the main road thing when you live in Encino. And now what's going. Is there a foreclosure actually happening? It seems like she addressed it.

[Jordan Davis]

She was like, pk, like, wasn't paying his payments because he Wanted to confirm it was going through, like, the right process.

[Sierra]

And then, well, she addressed it with word salad. I saw that that kind of, to me, sounds like some mental gymnastics and you're lied to or you're as blind as you want to be. I mean, I'm not a house person. I'm not a contractor or mortgage person, but I. It just didn't sound right to me.

[Dana]

No, you were 100% correct. Because it was also like, no, this is what happened. This is the turmoil. This is the turmoil. But don't worry, PK Got it handled. And it's just like.

[Natalie Viall]

But how?

[Sierra]

Because that sounded like someone called him finally. Like, what do you mean?

[Nick Viall]

If.

[Sierra]

I would be all over that if someone. If my house was possibly going to be in foreclosure. It's not just how you don't do business. I think it was Bose who was like, that's how you lose a house.

[Dana]

Exactly.

[Jordan Davis]

Even her main road comment, Andy, was like, so she lives off a main road in Bel Air?

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Jordan Davis]

Like, that was your point.

[Dana]

One of the most exclusive.

[Jordan Davis]

Yeah.

[Dana]

Areas, I think.

[Sierra]

And wait, she said that to Sutton, Right?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Sutton has many. She has quite the alimony, little setup. So, like, what.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, 300. Like, what is it? 300k a month post tax.

[Natalie Viall]

A month after.

[Sierra]

After taxes.

[Nick Viall]

After taxes.

[Sierra]

After taxes. So I'm like, I think she's fine.

[Jordan Davis]

It's because Dorit's just trying to poke at Sutton. Like, in the second part, you'll see it. She does. Like, she keeps throwing jabs, and then she's like, this isn't the real Sutton that I know. And then finally, Sutton kind of entertain, and she goes, she's coming. And, like, says it into the mic, and it's like, you're.

[Nick Viall]

You're right, Dana, though, I mean, also, like, PK does kind of sound like a bad father. I mean, if he's only seeing his kids on Saturday nights, like, when he's in. When he's in town, that is a choice. But to your point, Dana, like, that is a nuclear statement to say about any parent. You know, like, short of them being in prison for maybe, like, harming your children, like, to. To have your partner. Partner or ex partner say that publicly to other people is. It's. That's going nuclear. That's. That's like, there's no going back from that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's an unforgivable statement to say that to someone, even if most people actually think that. Like, to say that and then still like, act as if, like, she said that in the same episode while also claiming that PK was our heart and soul, which was like, I didn't really understand.

[Sierra]

Well, yeah. And also, I mean, my stomach dropped when that happened, but I also just. I don't think it's conducive to controlling emotions then after something like that is out there from the partner that you say that about. So it's the. It's just such an escalating thing to say that it. It's like we. You know, when she's like, I. I don't want to stay in it. At least how it is right now. Well, it's like, well, yeah, I can't imagine it's great right now. And I'm not blamed because maybe he's doing things to her or whatever, but that is separate from the kids and who he is as a dad. And I'm also. Also, Nick.

[Nick Viall]

I agree.

[Sierra]

I don't think she's maybe wrong, but, like, you put that out there for public consumption.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Like, that's.

[Dana]

That's a definitive statement.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And that's what's so. And I. I think to sum up, what we're saying about Dorit is that she says things that cut so deep, and it's like. I don't think she's saying it with the intention of, like, ruining a relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like, she has this, like, ability to just throw something to someone that, like, may never be okay to come back from, but she is, like, using it as, like, on a. In a casual fight. It just seems kind of crazy. I'm very. I'm very invested, like, in this. The Garcelle exit. Because, like, the more we hear about it, it really seems like there's some very deep hurt feelings. And the fact that Garcelle's not being messy about it makes me feel like she has some really justifiable reasons to feel. However she does does, like. It's the opposite of, like, Kenya Moore, who's, like, just, like, running her. Are you following the Atlanta Housewives?

[Sierra]

We actually. Today, our episode with humble brag came out, and we talked with Cynthia about it.

[Katie]

About.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Katie]

What was.

[Sierra]

What happened with. With Kenya?

[Nick Viall]

Now she's quite close with Kenya. We had her on briefly in the beginning of the season. Like, how. How is Cynthia? How much is she backing Kenya at all? If. If any.

[Katie]

I don't think she backs that at. I think it's. She's not condemning her as a friend, but she does not support those actions, and she's Like, I said something to her at that event.

[Sierra]

I think she's being a good friend and that she's holding her accountable and she's saying, I love you. Our friendship is something very different from this behavior. This behavior wasn't. Okay, I said it to you in the moment. I'm, you know, it sounds like they haven't really talked since. And she's saying, like, I'm here. Our friendship is here when you're ready. But yeah, I, I can't back that. That what you did.

[Natalie Viall]

Which is honestly a great friend of Cynthia. A great.

[Sierra]

That's what. Yeah, that's what he said. It was like, that's, that's being a good friend to her.

[Nick Viall]

But yeah, I mean, you, you know, your friends really do something bad. You don't have. You, you. You stand by them and, like, hold them accountable as opposed to alienating them. But nevertheless, I am, I am a bit shocked. And maybe this is like, Bravo Nation in general, like, trying to almost justify her action. Certainly Kenya is, is trying to justify it. Like, I think she literally said in a statement that if, like, Kim Kardashian video that launched her career, so to speak, it's out there, it's public, I guess. Anyone? I don't know, maybe you can still find it. I don't know, maybe, maybe Chris made that less possible. But she just is like, well, anyone can download it or anyone can Google it. So it's like fair game. And it's like, wait, you. You still used your event to print out poster board size images of this girl in sexual acts around her peers? And so, yeah, like, I don't know. That's like, like, if we've ever made a mistake, that would be like, that would be like Katie, if Katie pisses someone off a friend, and this would be like ten times less worse. But like, brought out like one moment from Vanderpump Season three or something at an event and put it on a poster board and like, said, like, she did this and she did that and, like, and this is, this is pornographic material. Even if Brit wanted to. Whatever Brit wanted to do, she had the right to do it and have it weaponized against her at this event. And the fact that Kenya is trying to, like, stand on this and justify it because anyone can Google it is insane to me.

[Katie]

No, that is, that is actual crazy work.

[Sierra]

Well, but right before you said that, I was going to bring up. It's. It's a different thing when you do a reality show. You sign the papers, your clothes are on. Okay, so yeah, people can pull from that, but it's a very different thing to be in an intimate act, particularly if you didn't put that out there, you know, wanting to make money off it or whatever, or be a content creator to. To then grab that and say, well, it's out there. Okay, but it's out there. But it's not out there in the same way as doing reality show or an old Instagram post where you over filtered your face or whatever like that is. She knew exactly what she was doing. It was super dark and is gross.

[Natalie Viall]

Like, it's not like Brit posted that on her own and then was like, oh, I took it. That's what I'm saying, Dana. Like, yeah, I took it from her Instagram. It's like, you think Brit wanted that out in the first place?

[Nick Viall]

Well, if an only fans model someday decides to not want to do only fans again and 10 or 15 years go by and she settles down, gets married and have kids and then makes friends with a group of girls, like, it would be completely fucked up if one of those women try to slut shame her and her group of friends by like downloading that content and like doing. I mean like, and the fact that King is, is like now like going after Andy and going after Bravo and like, I know when it comes to that, I just feel like the networks, sure. Their networks are trying to make money. They're making TV shows. Like, I think they're just such an easy target for a bunch of people who like truly want. Wanted to reap all the benefits from the fame and attention and platform that these networks give them.

[Sierra]

It's just so low brow.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Of her and, and to. And to even be trying to back it up still or by placing blame on others. I don't know if you do something that egregious, not even your friends holding you accountable, you holding yourself accountable. Like, she didn't watch that back and go, ooh, that was such a bad choice I made.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was crazy. Before we, we let you ladies go, I just want to wrap. Talking a little White Lotus. Mike White, the creator, director, producer of White lot on Howard Stern and, and just talked about. I thought it was really fascinating because like, Mike was talking about how like before White Lotus became super famous, he was more like an indie writer and like, felt like he got support from like people just trying to like lift him up. And now that his show is like this big, awesome show and now that we're in season three and I kind of said as much last, last episode Once a show gets popular, like, people just decide that it's, like, fair game to be, like, asshole critics and just, like, nitpick, you know, all these scenes apart part. And we went from a show that we were like, wow, this is really fun and culturally relevant and like this, you know, to, you know, we're in the middle of season three, and people, like, discussing, like, if this scene made sense, if it tied in with this scene, and if this character should be doing this, and it's like, Jesus Christ. People, like, they act like the amount of people who have notes for Mike White on. On his writing, in directing and producing, who, like, can't even get a general meeting meeting or, like, any type of script is, like, beyond me. And it's just. I love that he's fighting back. I love that he's a little sassy, and I love that he's. He called that. The composer guy he was in a feud with. He was basically like, good luck getting work going forward because, like, this composer guy decided to, like, pick a fight in the press. Like, Mike didn't even know about it. He, like, did an interview with the New York Times and started talking about his quote, unquote, feud with Mike White. And like, they basically went back and forth on some emails about some creative differences. Is. And according to this producer was, like, feuding with Mike White. And it's just, like, so transparent to me. The amount of people who are just trying to use his name to elevate themselves all while talking is wild to me. Anyways, I. I'm just like. I don't know. I loved the show. I thought season three was fantastic. And if it was just, you know, the fact that people just want to be critics for the sake of it.

[Katie]

Well, yeah. And I think a show like that, you do watch and you critique it. Not more in, like, the sense of, like, whether it was a good scene or not, but. But, like, because they're looking for clues. They want to. You know, they're watching it with a very different lens on it. But people are talking about it being, like, a bad season or boring or something like that. And he's. Mike White's. The thing about the edging, he's like, I'm edging you. He's like, if you don't like it, get out of my bed. So funny.

[Nick Viall]

But he talked about how it kind of hurt his feelings, and it made me, like, feel for him where he's human.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

This guy. People are just shitting on his work. Meanwhile, they're breaking records. We're all watching it. Everyone's talking about everyone this week, and it's just like, okay, yeah, yeah, like, give Mike for sure.

[Katie]

In every industry, people, fans, whatever, they'll build you up just to break you down. Like, you see it happen over and over and over again. So it's like, it's bummer.

[Natalie Viall]

It's like we want. Yeah. We want people to get famous just to, like, find something from their past or present to, like, cancel them with, you know?

[Katie]

Yeah, let's.

[Nick Viall]

From the cast, the characters on White Lotus who are your true villains of this season? Like, for me, it's the. The. The therapist who turned down Rick. Villain number one. One in one.

[Katie]

True, true, true, true.

[Nick Viall]

Rick's dad. Honestly, dude, you deserve to die for, like, talking about yourself in the third person so cryptically. It's like just.

[Katie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

He could have told him at breakfast.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, hey, yeah, I'm your dad. Sorry. You know, like, your mom sucked. But, like, it shows that.

[Sierra]

And it's like the end. That's. Could have been the whole thing. Just like, I'm your dad. Bye.

[Katie]

You know, who's a bit of a villain. And I just. I didn't appreciate her throughout it too. Was moving spook.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Katie]

I was like, what?

[Jordan Davis]

She gaslit. Guy talk.

[Katie]

Guy talk is doing the best he can. Like, this is. This is morally against him to, like, try to be this, like, badass guy that's gonna, like, carry a gun and all that. Like, but. But he's doing it all in name of love, and she's just. She's dangling it like a care in front of him. Like, you're.

[Natalie Viall]

And what was her excuse why she couldn't, like, go on a date with him? Sorry. My mom's back hurts. I have to, like, help her around the house. That was the most. Like, I have to watch paint dry. I respond to wash my hair.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

The things you don't tell people. Your mom's back hurts. I. I'm like, yeah, that's why I can't go out with you.

[Nick Viall]

The.

[Sierra]

I can't remember his name, but the. The dad of the family, Timothy whoever. Patrick Swift. Yeah, sorry. You're the villain. You were going to kill your whole family and then leave the youngest one. Imagine waking up in your entire. You're the youngest kid. You're 20. Whatever. Oh, I don't care. You're a villain. That doesn't make it okay to murder your whole family or, like, murder suicide. I'm like, that was so. I. I'm not one of victim blame. But, yeah, the leftover pina colada from last night you're making a protein shake with that is one of the crazier things.

[Nick Viall]

I did hear his excuse, and his excuse was his brother. Like, he thought his brother Saxton, like, made a protein shake, like, moments earlier. So he just thought this was, like, leftover protein from the protein shake. And I was like, you know what.

[Natalie Viall]

That means up that the dad didn't like, oh, my God, I have to get this suicide poison seeds out of this blender.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I have to get it drugged up on Laprazitan. What is it called?

[Sierra]

Lazaprin?

[Katie]

Where's my Larazepam?

[Nick Viall]

Piper. No, that viral. Like, now that there's, like, this viral song going on of all the. All the comments from.

[Katie]

But finding the stuff that was cut, I was like, I would have really liked to see that because I wanted more, like, of Piper and, like, her story. Because, like, when she comes back and she's like, I'm just not gonna stay. Like, this isn't for me. And I'm like, what else happened?

[Sierra]

Yeah, well, then she bones. What's Zion? Natasha Rothwell's son. Yeah. And that got cut. And I was like, we would have liked to see that.

[Katie]

I would have liked to see that because I'm a perv.

[Dana]

Wouldn't that be kind of random, though, because they didn't interact with each other the whole season?

[Sierra]

Well, I think he said that it was going to be. They locked eyes from across the restaurant, and she was like, I just need to pick someone. So I need to lose my virginity.

[Jordan Davis]

Makes sense.

[Dana]

I love it. Just, like, become a monk, lose my virginity.

[Natalie Viall]

I was seeing people say, as soon as other people were interested in doing what Piper wanted to do, like, Lachlan, be like, oh, I think I'll stay too. She was like, fuck this. I don't want to do this anymore. If I'm not the only one. Like, I'm not.

[Nick Viall]

I don't want to do. It's no longer cool. Or, like, you know, I feel like.

[Natalie Viall]

My villain was definitely Valentin's friend, the one who had sex with Lori. Carrie Coon. Like, do you have PayPal as she's jumping out the window?

[Katie]

That was nuts.

[Natalie Viall]

That was nuts.

[Jordan Davis]

People are saying the USA Olympic team should hire Lori because there's, like, the scene of when Rick first shoots the dad. She's literally sprinting off. I don't know if you've seen the clip.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

So good.

[Katie]

I love her.

[Jordan Davis]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

All right, ladies. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Always Fun chatting with you. You'll have to do it again. Obviously, you guys disrespectfully is out and available. Be sure to check it out. Let us know. You have Cynthia and Crystal on your latest episode.

[Sierra]

Latest episode. And then our Friday episode. This week is our 100th episode.

[Nick Viall]

Oh my God.

[Sierra]

Congratulations about that.

[Natalie Viall]

That's so exciting.

[Nick Viall]

That's quite an accomplishment. Accomplishment. I mean, I knew you guys would.

[Katie]

Get to a thousand just yesterday.

[Nick Viall]

Like, you know, the average podcast hits eight episodes, so.

[Sierra]

Wow. Okay, look at us.

[Nick Viall]

That number might be lower now, but like, what I remember when I started, I was told like most, most podcasts don't get past eight. So 100 is an incredible accomplishment. So congratulations to you ladies.

[Sierra]

Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you guys for having us on.

[Nick Viall]

All right, we'll see. We'll see you soon.

[Sierra]

Wash. Wash your blender. See you soon.

[Katie]

Bye.

[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

Jordan, welcome to the Vile Files.

[Co-host]

I appreciate it. Thank y'all excited.

[Nick Viall]

Really, really excited to have you on. We're. We're big fans, obviously, of your music, and I think you might know this, but it was your song that we selected when we did, like, the gender reveal for our daughter.

[Co-host]

Oh, no way.

[Natalie Viall]

It was really. Next thing you know, was, I think, like, really a song. And I think for a lot of families and. And people who are starting that journey in their lives to listen to and hold onto. Cause it was just so relatable, and it was just like.

[Nick Viall]

So.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I think early in my pregnancy, like, whenever we found out that was a song that we. Every time we got in the car, we put it on.

[Co-host]

That is awesome. Thank y'all very much. That one, I mean, truly one of my favorite songs I've ever written. And that was one of the coolest things about that song was being able to see the videos and seeing people connect with it. I mean, as a songwriter, there's nothing better in the world. So I appreciate y'all using that.

[Natalie Viall]

How long ago did you write that. That song?

[Co-host]

At least three years ago now, you know, and it was cool. We. We came in. I wrote that with Chase McGill, Josh Osborne, and Graylon James. You know, it's. It's funny because everybody in Nashville, there's like a structure, you know, to a country song. You got a verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus. You want it to be relatable. You want people to sing it. And, you know, there's nothing, nothing repeats in that song. And I had came in with an idea of. Of. Of a song song, you know, starting and going through the. The whole, you know, road of life. And, you know, and it's funny. Like, I was. God, I bawled like a baby right in that thing. You know, I at least walked out the room. I don't want them to see me crying. But. But, yeah, I mean, it just kind of it hit me. And they grow up quick. I know you are noticing it now.

[Nick Viall]

No, literally, I was. I was literally just talking about it our last episode, because. Because I don't know how it's like, for you as a dad, and I'm curious, like, was there a moment that really made you. Like, when you went back and you wrote that song, was there, like, a specific moment? You know, because, like, when we found out Natalie was pregnant with river, and then, you know, she's born, every parent you meet, it's like, it goes by fast. It goes by fast, and everyone says that so much that you kind of start rolling your. You know, when you hear the same thing over and over, you're like, no, I get it. It goes by fast.

[Co-host]

Falls on deaf ears.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it falls on deaf ear. But, you know, for me, it honestly was, like, the past couple weeks, it really hit, right? Because, like, River's old enough. She's walking, she's trying to talk, she's communicating. And I feel like her and I are connecting, you know, in ways that, like, you know, Natalie's been connecting her with her since day one, right? And now I was telling the story, but, like, my. My parents were in town. You know, they're here for a few days. They were going to leave. So I was like, you know, mom's gonna put riverdad. My grandmother. Mom, her grandma was going to put river down just to, like, maybe spend some quality time with her. And, like, river just kind of fought it because I'm usually the one who puts her down, because I've tried to, like, have that be my thing.

[Co-host]

That's your thing. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And. And she really threw a fit, and I came in there, and river just, like, wrapped her arms around me and, like, was like, hey, Dada. And that was just like, oh, man, I'm never gonna let anyone else do this. It's the best. And then I got kind of sad, right? Because I got sad about, like, she's changing so fast, and the way she says, hi, dad, that just is going to be different, you know? And it really hit me, and I just made me think of your song even more, you know, because before, when we. When I first heard your song, when I was loving, I was like, oh, this is a good jam. And it's sentimental. But now, like, as a dad, it's connecting with his daughter. It's just like, holy.

[Co-host]

Well, I mean, I think a lot of with me was I had a west coast run, and I was gone for, like, you know, my daughter was three, you Know, going on four, had a west coast run. Run. And you know, usually when we go out there, we stay for two weeks, 10 days, you know, whatever. And like when I got back from that run, it was like she had grown. It's like a totally different child. And you know, you start thinking about like, I've been on the road a lot for my kids. Like, and I just thought about like, how fast it is. You know, my parents are always telling me, you got to slow down, you gotta, you know, spend time with these kids. And I do. But, you know, my job takes me road. And it was just those little moments of like, she walked better or she could talk, you know, more. She could tell you exactly what she wanted. And when I left, it wasn't that way. And you know, and it sounds crazy to think, but like, 10 days is a lot when you're talking about a one year old kid.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And yeah, that, that's kind of where that, that idea came from.

[Natalie Viall]

And your oldest is a girl.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And just has me wrapped around her finger. But it's like that, like you were saying, you know, even now she's five and she'll, she'll always be like, dad, you hug me too much. And I'm like, It breaks my heart because I know like at some point, yeah, she's gonna be like, dad, stop. Like, God, stop. Like, get off of me. You know, and it just like breaks my heart, you know, but yeah, she's. She's got me. She's got me right where she wants me.

[Natalie Viall]

He thinks he's gonna be like, tough with it. He thinks he's not gonna.

[Co-host]

We don't have a shot, bro. We don't have.

[Nick Viall]

Give her what, what she needs and what she. I really just don't want spoiled kids. And I really want her to be a badass boss. And I, you know, I don't like. Yeah. And I think, I know, I know it's going to be hard, but I honestly think it's my job to like, make sure that like, I gotta. Sometimes I gotta teach her the.

[Co-host]

You gotta show the tough side. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, and that'll be hard to do, but like, I don't know, maybe you have some advice for me as your kids get older. Just because, like, like, I'm really worried about, like, I'm very fortunate of like having a. The life that we have. And we're very lucky to give our daughter things that we wouldn't dream of even asking for as kids. But like, yeah, I really, I really hope that she Isn't spoiled.

[Co-host]

Well, we had that on this last Christmas where me and Kristen stayed up till 3am wrapping gifts. And I'm like, what are we doing, babe? I'm like, this is like, I. I don't think I got this many presents. Yeah, from 1 to 12.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Like, yeah.

[Co-host]

I mean. And she's like, well, she wanted this and this and this. And I told her that night, I was like, hey, from now on, we're gonna back off on this. Like, you know, because I'm the same way. Like, me and my wife, you know, both grew up working class families and, you know, are so blessed to get to give or to what our kids are gonna be able to experience. And I think that's where we really kind of shifted it to, like, you know, toys are cool, but it's like, you know, we just went to Australia and got to bring them with us. And it's like, it's more so those things where I'm like, let's. Let's give them experiences and show them, show them the world instead of just giving my son another monster truck that he's gonna lose or not want to play with in three days. But, yeah, we'll have to work through that together.

[Nick Viall]

All right, I hope you can offer.

[Natalie Viall]

He tells me to stop. I'm definitely the one who. I mean, I feel like now she can' be spoiled. She's 14 months old. She doesn't know what it is. It's like once she starts being like, oh, I want that, I want that, I want that, then I feel like.

[Sierra]

I'll be able to really about is.

[Nick Viall]

Your ability to stop. Because she gets such joy. I do, you know, out of like, oh, river would love this. And it's true. You see the, you know, you know, you're gonna get an excitement and. And she's. River's only gonna get more excited and show more appreciation for gifts and like, are you gonna be able to lock it up and stop? You know, because.

[Natalie Viall]

Probably have that in common.

[Co-host]

Absolutely. She is just as bad about it.

[Nick Viall]

Like, are you buying it for her? Are you buying it for you?

[Co-host]

Right.

[Natalie Viall]

What I think is so funny, though, is you, your boy, one of your boys is Lachlan, right?

[Co-host]

Yep.

[Natalie Viall]

And that is one of the names on White Lotus. And I was just thinking the three children that are like, from the south in this show are Saxon, Lachlan and Piper. And I was like, those three names are probably going to be super common, like, within this next year.

[Co-host]

Yeah, we've got a lot of. I've got A piper as a niece, do you.

[Natalie Viall]

You're ahead of the curve.

[Co-host]

I am.

[Natalie Viall]

Where did the inspiration come behind naming your children?

[Co-host]

So my daughter's Eloise, and I think me and my wife were dating for, like, two weeks. And she was like, just a heads up, if this works out, my daughter will be named Eloise. Like, it's not, like, old of her. I know. And I was like, okay. I mean, at that time, I was like, sure, whatever.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know if this is working out.

[Co-host]

She was like, you know, if you had. If you're dead set on a name for a daughter, we might as well call it off now. And I was like, no, it's fine. I haven't even thought about that.

[Nick Viall]

I'll call her L. Yeah.

[Co-host]

And so she was like, my daughter will be named Eloise.

[Nick Viall]

Is it, like a family name?

[Co-host]

She just has always loved the name Eloise. And. And so we had Eloise that was set in stone from very early. Early on. Lachlan, when we had him, we lived in Lachlan Springs. You know, just. I'd always love that name. And we spelled a little different than the way they do, but. And then Elijah is my. My youngest. You know, we just call Mila. And that was a name that I've always loved, and I always like that name, too.

[Nick Viall]

That was the. That was, like, my fake. I don't know if you had this when you were growing up in high school, and every time, like, maybe you're, like, traveling with some buddies and you decide to, like, make up.

[Co-host]

Yeah, like a fake name.

[Nick Viall]

Elijah was my.

[Co-host]

Well, see, that was mine, too. Like, if you would ever. I remember as a kid when you would do a. Create a player on, like, PlayStation or whatever, I would always name him Eli.

[Natalie Viall]

That's honey.

[Co-host]

And so, like, now I've got my own Eli. But it was. You know, we didn't find out with him, so it was a. We. We didn't find out with Eloise, and then we found out with Lachlan, and then we didn't find out with Eli, but we were naming Eli. Boy or girl?

[Nick Viall]

Which do you. Which experience did you like better?

[Co-host]

Not finding out.

[Nick Viall]

Not finding out.

[Co-host]

Really? That was. That was kind of. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I think I found out with Locke because his. My brother has three girls and I have a sister. And so I was kind of like, hey, man, the last name's kind of coming into.

[Natalie Viall]

Coming into question here.

[Co-host]

So I was just like, really? Like, man, I hope I have a boy. And then we found out. Out with Him. And I really could see how anticlimactic it was for my wife, where I was like, let's go, I've got a boy. And she's like, oh, awesome, it's a boy. And so now we're. We're not finding out with. With the. We've got another one coming in June, so.

[Nick Viall]

Congratulations. I have. I have a friend who we found out with river. And partly Nellie was so sick early on, and she's like, I need this. I need.

[Natalie Viall]

I needed something.

[Nick Viall]

I need something to get excited about and look forward to too. Like. And I was kind of always, like, down for whatever.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then when we found out river was a girl, I mean, I was definitely like, I. I think I've always just wanted a son. I'm convinced I'm going to have all daughters. So when we found out river was a girl, I was just.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And now he's like, how do you feel? I'm like, I literally said, I. Sometimes I have really bad timing. I'm like, I think I would have cried if it was a boy. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

And I was like, oh. I'm like, standing there sobbing in front of him. He's like, yeah, well, I would be right there with you if it was a boy.

[Nick Viall]

But. But, I mean, listen, as soon as. And I'm sure you feel the same way about Eloise, but, like, as soon as they appear in this world, you can't imagine them being anything other than they. They are.

[Co-host]

It's a. It's, you know, and it's like you were saying, you know, earlier about, you know, when people tell you how fast it goes and it kind of falls on deaf ears. It was like, you know, when you can ask somebody like, you know, what's like, to have a kid, it's like, until they get here, it's like, yeah, you know, totally different for the mom. But I feel like as the dad, you know, just seeing your wife go through how y'all do pregnancy, thank God, I just wouldn't be able to do it. But, you know, there's like that kind of. Until the baby shows up. And then you're like, oh, now I get how you could never love anything more than that little crazy looking thing.

[Nick Viall]

Whenever it just shows up.

[Co-host]

But, like, you're like, oh, my God, it's just. It's crazy.

[Natalie Viall]

How much do your kids inspire just your. Your career, your music in general?

[Co-host]

Yeah. I mean, a ton on the songwriting side of it.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I mean, you know, next thing you know, even, you know, by Dirt was another One that was kind of inspired by, you know, how I want to go about raising the family.

[Nick Viall]

You really have some family bangers.

[Co-host]

I do. Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

I. You know, I. I confess, I. I've grew up mostly hating country music. Yeah, I was from. I'm from Wisconsin. Johnson. I don't know. I think I was just kind of, like. I just decided I wasn't gonna like it. A lot of my friends did, and, you know, I'm old enough to like country music. Back then was a little different, not what it is today and that. And I was resistant to it. And then met Natalie, and she's always playing country music. And then she took me to Stagecoach, and I really fell in love with country music. Stagecoach. And it was because of the community. It was about, like, I'm. I'm usually not a guy who's, like, listening to lyrics of, like, songs and things like that, but you can't. You can't help but to. When it comes to country music, it's more deliberate. And I just really loved, like. Not to sound corny, but, like, the. The. The songs about it. It was like, songs and music about, like, things I want for myself and my dreams and things like that. So, like, songs like yours, I don't know. There's the ones I usually connected with more because, like, that's how I got into it. And, like, now. It. Now. And, like, I'll play it. I've. I've played it by myself, you know, like, you know, usually it was always, like, when Natalie's playing it now, I've really become a fan just because I. I really love. Yeah. Like, the messages and shit like that.

[Co-host]

There's honesty in the. In the songwriting. You know, I've always kind of struggled on, you know, and now I feel like country's more open than it's ever been. I mean, you've got the Cody Johnsons, who are, you know, cowboys, you know, country to the bone. And then you've got me somewhere in the middle of it, it feels like. And then you've got Jelly and Post Malone's in it, and it's just like. I've just tried to get more to, like. Man, I just love good music. And I think with me, it always comes down to the songwriting side of it, the message, the honesty in it.

[Natalie Viall]

Did you start off songwriting?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

You did?

[Co-host]

I moved. I mean, I never. Never had a dream of, like, playing music live, like, playing on stage, being the guy singing. I moved in 2012 to write songs, you know, just wanted to write songs for the Artist, you know, was bartending, doing everything to kind of stay in town and was struggling finding a job as a songwriter and had a bunch of songs and met somebody that was like, hey man, why don't you start singing them? Like, try to do the artist thing. And I was like, well, if that could get me out of bartending, I'll do anything. And like, now I don't know what I would do without going.

[Nick Viall]

Why only songwriting and not just, you know, being an artist at first?

[Co-host]

Well, my family was. My uncle was a songwriter, so I always knew that like they were. Was here in town and had some hits, you know, So I always knew that there were people writing songs for Alan Jackson's or, you know, George Straits or. And so I knew that was a job. And then my brother moved to town two years before I did and he was trying to get a record deal and kind of started having some success. So I was just like, man, I'll move to Nashville and write with him and, you know, hopefully we can, you know, do the. Do the songwriting thing. And he goes out and plays and. And it's like totally flipped. Now my brother is a full time songwriter and off the road and I'm on the road.

[Natalie Viall]

How much have y'all collaborated?

[Co-host]

A lot. I mean, he's probably my most. The guy I write with the most, but he was a writer on. By Dirt with me. He's got four or five on this next album, so we write together a whole lot.

[Natalie Viall]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that's. That Buy Dirt makes me think of the lake house that I was able to buy back. My grandfather built the house in like 65. We lost it when I was nine. Oh, you bought it back? I bought it back, dude. A couple years ago.

[Co-host]

That is awesome.

[Natalie Viall]

The house his mom grew up in.

[Co-host]

And like, is it back in Wisconsin?

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Super underrated state. Beautiful state. Keep it a secret, though.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it's like in the middle of nowhere.

[Co-host]

I know, but the lakes up there are unreal.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it's on. Yeah, on a lake. And we have. We're remodeling it now. We essentially. We're essentially redoing the house. Yeah, because like when I got. When I got there and like some of, some of our audience members are mad at me.

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah, don't be mad at him. Come on.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I bought, you know, we bought the house and made such a big deal about it. And then when we got the, when we got the property back, I was like, kind of amazed and grateful, like how preserved it Was like the. The concrete steps leading down to the lake still have, like, my. My mom and my uncle's names engraved in the. In the concrete when they were kids, you know, and, like, the swing set they grew up on still there and. But it's really the property, you know, that's special to me because, like, all we do is just go on the lake and stare at the lake. And the house itself is.

[Co-host]

You know, it doesn't need to be anything special.

[Nick Viall]

It wasn't. You know. It wasn't. Yeah, that's the thing. But now that we're there and we want to, like, grow our family and have people up, it's just like, it. You know, the pipes are kind of yellow and.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So, like, we just needed to fix it up, and it just made sense to, you know, bigger and grander, but, like, that. You're this dirt. Just. Every time I listen to that song, it just makes me think of, like, when you have a. Like, a special place that, like, it will always be in my family. Like, my dream for that house is to have my kids love it as much as I love it.

[Co-host]

I was about to say, have y'all taken river out there yet?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Like, how special was that?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. You know, now, like, she's getting older. Like, now she was just like, a little bean, you know, but now she's, like, seeing the world. I can't wait to, like, this summer and, like, teach her how to swim and shit. Like. Like, I. That's where I learned how to swim. That's where I learned how to, like, water ski and. And. And, like.

[Co-host]

I mean, that's just, like, the. You know, the spot for us that was always. Even my grandparents, they lived on a lake in East Texas, so, like, the summers were going there, and it's like, you know, it wasn't anything crazy. It's on Toleda Bend, which is a. A pretty lake. I mean, but it's nothing, like, probably lake in Wisconsin, but, like, you know, it was just more like that was where my cousins went, and for three weeks of a summer, we would go down there, and it was just us and. And family and, you know, still, some of my favorite memories were at that lake house. And then now y'all get to do that with I know Yalls kids. It's gonna be awesome.

[Nick Viall]

It's. It's a cool experience.

[Natalie Viall]

Have you been able to look back at any songs that you've written now that you are such a successful artist yourself and be like, kind of wish I would have saved that for myself or are you like happy at the homes?

[Co-host]

Oh, no, no. I mean like I'm, I'm. I take any. Anytime one of my songs gets released, the world, I'm super happy about it. There was, there's one Jake Owen cut one of my songs that is still one of my.

[Natalie Viall]

Which one?

[Co-host]

It's called Somewhere south of the Rom. And I was so on the fence about it and I was like, man, I really love this song. He had it on hold and I'd heard he was going to cut it and then I kind of got cold feet and I was like, man, I think I need to cut this then, you know, because like when you see another artist that. And I love Jake. Like he's been so good to me and take me out on tour wars and you know, then I'm like, well dang, Jake thinks it's cool, maybe I should record it and. But I'm, I'm super stoked that that's like it was a full circle thing for me. When it's like, man, that's cool that like that Jake is one of my favorites in country music. I've gotten a tour with him and now, you know, one of. I think it was my second outside cut. Being him was pretty cool.

[Nick Viall]

I, I have one of Jake Owens T shirts.

[Co-host]

No way. Yeah, like feisty.

[Nick Viall]

No, my. We. I dated his ex girlfriend and this.

[Co-host]

Is like, oh, like a real Jake Owen shirt.

[Nick Viall]

Like it's a Miami. His actual outfit, it's a Miami Vice T shirt. And like I didn't know country music back then. I'm. I'm 44. This is 20 years ago. Yeah, like this 20 I. 18 years ago. I'm 27, 28. Yeah, my ex girlfriend was like, yeah, I dated this country. You know, he, he was big then, but he's much bigger now, you know. And I was just like this spiteful, like new boyfriend. I was like this guy, whatever. I didn't know anything about him at the time. But she, she had this purple Miami Vice T shirt that I was like, this is a dope ass T shirt.

[Natalie Viall]

Honestly, you need to like give it to Jordan to give back.

[Nick Viall]

I feel like she gave it back. Anyway, she told me how she like she stole it from him in the divorce and I stole it from her in our divorce. And by divorce I mean we just broke up. But I still got the shirt. No way. You've got to get it if he, if he want. If, if. Jake, if you're listening, there's a purple Miami Vice T shirt if you Want.

[Natalie Viall]

To imagine if you bring that up to him, he's like, dude, I haven't stopped thinking about that shirt.

[Nick Viall]

That is hilarious.

[Co-host]

Yeah, that's pretty full circle right there.

[Nick Viall]

That is crazy. You have a beautiful beard.

[Co-host]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

I've always wondered if I could grow something that full.

[Co-host]

I can already tell you. I think you could do it.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. It gets a little, like, wiry after a while. Is there a secret to being. Because it looks like it's meant to be that thick beard.

[Co-host]

Beard oil has. It kind of gives it some volume.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Co-host]

But I think you could go. I think you could go there. You don't use beard oil on that.

[Nick Viall]

No, I don't.

[Co-host]

It helps a lot. I was. I was. I was against the beard oil because I was just like, no.

[Nick Viall]

Like, feels a little fancy when I. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Like, I don't want to have to manicure my beard. And then I started like this. That Somebody sent me a. A package of Savage Maine beard oil. And I was just like, all right. Off the name alone.

[Natalie Viall]

I gotta try it, right?

[Nick Viall]

Smartly enough.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

And so I. I used it one day, and I was like, okay, this is great. And now I'd use, like, beard oil and a beard shampoo.

[Jordan Davis]

Okay.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host]

I use, like, a. Like a.

[Natalie Viall]

You're getting gifted. Like, the kits for Christmas.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But not one sponsor on my beard. I always say this. My beard is still a free agent. Like, nobody.

[Natalie Viall]

That's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that's a beautiful beard.

[Co-host]

I definitely feel, like, marketable beard. Right.

[Nick Viall]

They could take your face off and doing one of those beard silhouettes and be like, yeah, that's Jordan.

[Co-host]

That's it. Yeah. But no, you got to get on the beard game. I'll tell you what. I'm going to bring you. Bring me a beard oil.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Thank you.

[Co-host]

And. And you can let me know you're on.

[Nick Viall]

We should do a get ready with me with Jordan Davis.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. His beard routine takes, like, three minutes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Like. All right. Well, there you go.

[Natalie Viall]

Bar none recently came out. How excited were you to release that?

[Co-host]

Man, I haven't stopped listening to the song since, so.

[Natalie Viall]

Good.

[Co-host]

I got it sent to me. It truly is, like. It's a perfect kickoff, too. We've got a record coming out at the end of this year that I'm super excited about.

[Natalie Viall]

But you don't want to move that up, like, a little sooner or.

[Co-host]

I would if I could, but. No, we're releasing a lot of music over the next couple months, and, man, bar none was just like, it truly got sent to me. My manager sent it over and was like, hey man, check this out. We'd probably recorded 12 or 13 songs and I mean, I just couldn't stop listening to it. And it's even show now. I mean, it's been out for a couple weeks and fans are already, already loving it. We played it for the first time at a festival last weekend and got a great response.

[Natalie Viall]

How did. At what point do you find out that like your song is on today's country on like Apple? I feel like that's always the like playlist I go to is just like today's country and it's non stop.

[Nick Viall]

Jordan Davis.

[Co-host]

No, I mean it's. I'm super fortunate. Like, I mean, it's, you know, it's. I try not to like keep up with it, you know, because he's just like, like kind of record it, put it out, put your head down and keep going. But when you have songs like that that really kind of raise their hand as something special, it's hard not to keep an eye on it. And this one is. It's. I mean, probably one of my best releases I've put out so far. And it's great. It feels like it's something different that I haven't done before.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it's just a great kickoff to what a lot of this record sounds like.

[Natalie Viall]

How many songs are on. Can you say on, on your record?

[Co-host]

I think I've got 16. 16 or 17. Yeah, 17.

[Natalie Viall]

Wow. How do you choose 17?

[Co-host]

Yeah, it feels like it, but then Morgan puts like 40 bangers on one and then I was like, man, I got. But if I had 40, then I think she go to record, I probably would.

[Natalie Viall]

17'S a lot.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it's a lot.

[Nick Viall]

Do you get a lot of saying that?

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, it's. I've been. I've got an amazing team, but that's one of my favorite things. Things about, you know, publishers management, label is I have full reign on and that's even going back to my first album. You know, it's like, you know, you hear stories from other artists about like, you know, I was kind of pushed in this direction or that direction, but I've never, I've never felt that I've had full creative control over all my albums.

[Natalie Viall]

So where do you stand on music videos? Are you like full. Let's bring them back like they used to be. Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

I mean, you know, mainly because like the last video, I literally just got my friends to Come over for two days in Charleston and we rented a boat, and, like, you just kind of get a day to hang with your buddies. But that's also like a kid that grew up watching CMT nonstop, you know, like, that was such a. Such a cool thing to put, like, a visual with the song that it's still something that. That I love doing. And then you have a fun, you know, a song like Bar none that I'm like, oh, man, this could be. This could be a fun video.

[Natalie Viall]

No, I was gonna ask you, do you have, like, any ideas in mind for.

[Co-host]

I don't. I'm terrible at coming up with the idea. I'm pretty good at writing the songs and singing them. But when it comes to, like, the videos, that's such a different creative side that I. That I can't get into or I'm not good at. Right. But I'm sure it's. It's probably gonna revolve around drinking, which would be fun.

[Nick Viall]

As someone who planned on being a songwriter and not an artist, do you. Do you enjoy, like, performing live or do you get stage fright? Or is it a little bit of. A little bit of both?

[Co-host]

There was definitely a. A. A learning period of. So it's funny, like, when I first started taking meetings as a. So I got. I got a call one day, and they're like, hey, Universal wants to meet with you. And I was like, oh, sweet. And in my. In my mind, I'm thinking like, oh, Universal Publishing, like, I might get a songwriting contract. And they send over the address, and it's the label. And I was like, oh, I guess they take songwriter meetings at the label. And I walk in with the guy that was helping me out at the time, and he said, by the way, man, you know, this is, like, for a record deal, right? And I was like, oh, I did not. But. And so I sit down. First ever sit down. And she's like, so how long been playing? And I was like, I'm not going to tell this person. And I've never played a show before. And I was like, oh, you know, I'm still pretty green, but, like, you know, since I was little. Yeah, yeah, you know, mostly acoustic stuff, but, like, I've got some shows coming.

[Nick Viall]

Up, and I know enough to be dangerous.

[Co-host]

Yeah, exactly. And she's like, well, let me know when your next show is. I'd love to come check it out. And I immediately went home, and I was like, I've got to find a band. I got to learn how to do a set list. I need a learn how to like, just learn everything. And she came to my first show and she told me, she was like, you're really green. And in the back of my mind I was like, yeah, that's the first.

[Nick Viall]

Time I've ever played.

[Co-host]

Finally I came out with it and I was like, hey, I've never done this before. I don't know what I'm doing. And I ended up signing and the best thing that happened to me was I signed my deal and I don't. I didn't release music for probably a year and a half and just went out and played little bitty no name towns, little bars. First full band show I ever played was. There was. It was in, it was in. In Birmingham. There was a sound guy, there was two bartenders, and there was one guy at the bar that was playing the, you know, the games where you have to pick the difference between the two photos. Yeah, he was, he was drinking and playing that game and had no clue what we were doing. Like, didn't even turn around one. And I think I.

[Nick Viall]

Is that.

[Co-host]

Yeah. But yeah, I think I got paid like 250 bucks.

[Natalie Viall]

That's crazy.

[Co-host]

It cost me 400 bucks to get everybody down there.

[Nick Viall]

That's crazy. I mean, I love those stories because I always love hearing like, you know, especially people as successful as you are, like, you know, how they cut their teeth, like how they pay their dues. You know, it's, you know, obviously like, you know, you talked about how lucky you are and the privileges you have, but like, you know, it's, it's moments like, like that, like there's, I don't. 99 out of 100 people right there just say, I don't know, man. Like, this ain't for me.

[Natalie Viall]

You talked yourself out of it though.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, you know, but like, it's that, you know, you, you bet on yourself, you, you put it together. You, you know, like that drive out there spending 400 bucks and make 250 to be in a room that's empty and perform is. It's. I love, I love like that.

[Co-host]

I mean, it's like I took doji in, you know, and kudos to, to my team at the time of being. Like, hey, don't worry about who shows up. Don't worry about how it goes. Like, just get better every night. Like, you know, get more comfortable, you know. And I mean, without that, like, if I were to just jumped into it and think and like, oh yeah, there's. I'm good, man. Like I wasn't Even looking for this, and I got it. Yeah. I don't know if I'm. I would be where I'm at now.

[Nick Viall]

That's incredible. Obviously, we love watching tv. Reality tv. I hear you're into this Million Dollar show on Netflix.

[Co-host]

Do y'all watch it?

[Nick Viall]

No. Convince us that we should be watching. Are we missing.

[Co-host]

Amazing. All right, so, like, I'm. I'm trying to wean off of true crime.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Like, read this article about how if you calm down to true crime, there's, like, tons of red flags.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And I was like, all right, did.

[Natalie Viall]

Your wife get you into it, or.

[Co-host]

Were you like, oh, no, I was way into it.

[Natalie Viall]

Interesting.

[Nick Viall]

Like, what's your childhood trauma? I know, right?

[Katie]

That's.

[Co-host]

That's exactly what they say. They're like, if you calm down by watching trauma, you've got some major problems, man. And so I like, you know, and I do. I love reality tv. And we have a ton of time, you know, ton of downtime on the road, flights, whatever. So the other day, I saw it.

[Nick Viall]

So it's Million Dollar Secret.

[Co-host]

That's Million Dollar Secret. And yeah. So do you know the premise at all? All right, so I read it this.

[Nick Viall]

Morning, but explain to people.

[Co-host]

So basically, they. It's like, probably eight or nine people right now, and then one gets voted off, and they get given a box. You know, eight of them are empty. One of them has a million bucks in it. And then they have to go the whole day trying to find out who has the million bucks. They're all lying to each other. Like, nobody said what they do. One woman's a cop, but she's, like, never addressed that she's a cop. And, like, one person's, like, kind of getting on to, like, and then they give, like, these hints and these, like, I'm doing a terrible job explaining this. I'm sorry. But, like, you know, they have, like a. They have, like, a game they have to play, and then the winners get to go into this vault, and then you get given, like, a. A tip to, like, help tip out who the millionaire is.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Co-host]

And then they all have this big dinner, and then they vote on it, and then you have to open your box in front of everybody. But here's what I don't know is going to happen, because the season's still going. I think they're about to release the. Actually tonight. Today, the 9th. I think so. I think two episodes come out tonight.

[Nick Viall]

Yep.

[Katie]

The night.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, so this will be yesterday forever.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Well, so there's a Couple new episodes.

[Natalie Viall]

We know what you're doing. And I'm.

[Katie]

I'm in on Locked In.

[Co-host]

Like, I am. I am all.

[Nick Viall]

So this is your true crime, I think.

[Co-host]

I think that's why I like it. I was actually, like, talking to my wife about this. I was like. I think. Because it's like, half detective.

[Nick Viall]

Do you know as a. As a viewer who has.

[Co-host]

Yeah, you do.

[Nick Viall]

You do.

[Co-host]

Okay, so you know who the Millionaire is. And then they get given, like, this is. This is what I think is awesome. So, like, the millionaire gets a. Like, a task. So this. The one. One of the first girls had the million bucks. And this guy with a really cool voice comes in, and he's like, you have to hug everybody today. Like, so you have to, like, secretly find a way to hug everybody and.

[Natalie Viall]

Not make it, like.

[Co-host]

And not make it to where somebody's like, hey, I think the task is you have to give everybody a hug.

[Nick Viall]

So the. The millionaire.

[Co-host]

The millionaire has given tasks.

[Nick Viall]

He's given, and they have to complete these tasks covertly. Okay.

[Co-host]

And then, like, one of them was like, they had to, like, drop, like, song titles in, like, regular conversation. So it's. It's pretty cool to, like, see how they do it. And then the detective side of everybody's like. Everybody's move. Like, every move you make is being watched all day, and it's like, hey, that person, like, I don't know his.

[Nick Viall]

So it's kind of like. It's like Traders.

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

I say, next thing you know, you're watching.

[Nick Viall]

Did you watch Traders at all?

[Co-host]

I did not.

[Nick Viall]

So you would love. You would like, Traders. You like this show. You'd love Traders.

[Co-host]

Okay, well, then I need to get on it.

[Nick Viall]

You need to get on that.

[Natalie Viall]

If you just would, like, buy a little dirt, you would love Traders.

[Co-host]

Yeah, love it. See, that would be a test is that you have to sneak in, buy dirt into the. Into the. Into the episode. That's funny. But, yeah, it's like, I think six. I think there's, like, six people left now.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, that sounds good. Is this one of your first reality TV shows you got into?

[Co-host]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Co-host]

I've been. I've been a reality.

[Nick Viall]

What are you doing?

[Natalie Viall]

What do you like?

[Co-host]

I mean, it started with Jersey Shore.

[Natalie Viall]

Well, of course, the og.

[Nick Viall]

When I. When we first started dating, I got invited to the MTV Reality TV Awards before they combined them and brought Natalie. And we sat at the table, and Snooki and jwoww are at our table, and jwoww ended up coming to Our wedding.

[Co-host]

No way.

[Nick Viall]

We became friends. But now he, like, leaned over. She's like, this is my Super Bowl.

[Natalie Viall]

And she was, like, sweating and, like.

[Nick Viall]

I never watched Jersey Shore. So, like, I honestly was like, I know who these people are, but I don't give a fuck. Whatever. She was freaking out. I was like, you need to be normal. So fucking weird. It was. It was hilarious.

[Co-host]

So my. I did a CMT interview. So I toured with Dirks Bentley last summer or here recently, maybe two summers ago. And we would do a cold plunge in the morning, then we would work out, and then we would do pickleball. So it was our. What did he call it? Ppl. Pickle Plunge Lift.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Co-host]

So that was our gtl. And then we recreated a photo from Jersey Shore with, like, me and Dirks and my crew. And then we just, like, put them side by side. And so I come back to Nashville after the tour, and I'm talking about it, and they got Mike the Situation to do a cameo to me. And I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. Like. But, yeah, I was pretty.

[Nick Viall]

Pretty.

[Co-host]

It, like, he kind of bashed him. He's like, dude, your GTL game is terrible. You know, pickle, plunge, whatever. But I was, like, watching it. I was like, this is worlds colliding right here.

[Katie]

It's crazy.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Jersey started me off. God. I mean, I feel like there's, you know, obviously. Bachelor. Bachelor. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it's like, I already watch way too much tv, so it's like. That's like. I need that to, like, kind of decompress for sure. So, yeah, I'm a big. I'm a big reality guy.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, that's how I got on. The show is making fun of my. My. My buddy's wife for watching it.

[Co-host]

And then that's how you did. They, like, did you know they did you.

[Nick Viall]

They joke. She's like, I shut up. I'm gonna sign you up. And like, my. You know, my girlfriend, I had just split or whatever, and she, like, joked about it, but, like, I did not think she was being serious. And then, like, months later, I got.

[Co-host]

A random phone call. And you were in.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, it was in. Never let go, baby Showing up Just.

[Co-host]

Kept showing up, Showing up.

[Natalie Viall]

Do you have any? I would imagine so. But plans to tour after this record comes out.

[Co-host]

Yeah, we've got a. Just announced last week. We've got a tour in the fall. I think we crank up in early September playing, like, some really. Some venues that I've had. I've Been wanting to play for a long time. Red Rocks was, like, always my, like, Bucket list spot, and I've never opened up for anybody there, so this will be my first time being there. Radio City in New York.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Co-host]

And the Greek in la.

[Nick Viall]

So those are.

[Co-host]

Those are like three. Three very staples of it. But also, I mean, I always hate, like, talking about three certain shows because there's, you know, some amazing spots we're stopping at. But do you.

[Nick Viall]

Are you gonna be able to take the family at all or, I mean.

[Natalie Viall]

Hard with them in school?

[Co-host]

Yeah, and we'll have a brand new one. It's like, we've tried the touring thing. Like, kudos to the artists that can take the fam out. And like, that is just a. That is a whole different, different animal. It just makes for really, really long days. So they'll probably come out for, like, certain stops.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay, but are you busting it?

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

It's harder too.

[Co-host]

It's so tough.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

They don't sleep. And then like that, like the last time we took them out and like a three day run and I got like a. You know, because we just have like a regular style. There's 12 bunks on my bus and everybody's got a bunk and then we have the back lounge. So for this weekend with them coming out, I was like, all right, we'll put them. We'll put the kids in a bunk. And then me and Kristen had a room in the back of the bus, which I was like, this will be fine. Like, I'll be able to get some sleep. They'll be in the. You know, it'd be great. That just turned into five of us in the bed. In the bed every night and just sandwiched in. You got no sleep. No sleep. You're playing shows. Like, just dog tired. And that's when I was like, all right, if we're going to do the family touring thing, we got to find a better approach.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Got to do it right.

[Natalie Viall]

Do your. Your kids, I would imagine. How old is Lachlan?

[Co-host]

He's three.

[Natalie Viall]

Three, okay. So he might not, but does Eloise know that you're, like, famous and.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think she's kind of catching on to it.

[Nick Viall]

She.

[Co-host]

She said something to my wife the other day. Kristen sent me a text message and she was like, Eloise just asked, why don't so many people know my dad? But it's actually made some, like, really funny. She went to school one time and I was talking to a teacher and she asked everybody what song their dad sings. So she just kind of thought everybody's dad sang songs. So I picked her up, I was taking her home. I was like, hey, some dads are doctors, mechanics. You know, not everybody's dad is crazy enough to try to do this for a living. But, yeah, she's kind of catching on to, you know, she's come to shows and, yeah, luckily, I'm still not her favorite.

[Natalie Viall]

I was about to say, does she give you her honor?

[Katie]

Honest.

[Natalie Viall]

Because, kids. So if you're like, hey, can I play you a new song?

[Co-host]

And she's like, if she passes on it, there's a good chance that song's not making my record. Like it. And they really are like, you know, love melodies. And I've got to watch it with my son because he. He loves monster trucks. Loves any truck. So any song I put a truck in, which is country music, we do that a lot. He's all about the truck song. He's like, oh, dad, that's got a truck in it.

[Natalie Viall]

That's good.

[Co-host]

But Eloise is like, hey, Dad, I like that one. So she helps a lot with picking some songs for these records.

[Nick Viall]

She knows the ones that will pull on people's heartstrings.

[Co-host]

Absolutely.

[Nick Viall]

That's great. That's really cool. I love that. I will be curious if. If my kids will give us input on. On the show or.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, I'm sure they'll find their way to give, like, unsolicited advice.

[Co-host]

Could have done better there.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Well, I wasn't a great episode, you know, imagine. Imagine having content out there. You hope they never, never find.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I know, right? I already have to answer that to, like, my mom. She. She just. She was in town for three weeks, and I played her some songs, and I still get in trouble. I'm 37 years old. I'm a grown man with.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, no.

[Co-host]

Almost four kids.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, no.

[Co-host]

And if I say, like, damn. In a song, she's like, why. Why are you cussing in your song? And I'm like, mom, that's not a cuss word. She's like, yes, it is this. And your kids are going to hear that one day. And I'm like. And I will cross that bridge when we get.

[Nick Viall]

Your mom would be very disappointed in me. I have a potty mouth. I really do. And I am trying to cut back.

[Natalie Viall]

Is that something like. I don't know if you had a sailor's mouth or not before, kids, but, like, was that something that you were like, I actively need to reel it in.

[Co-host]

Definitely, like, caught myself a Couple times where, you know, I've had to be like, they're getting older to where they may repeat that. You know, I might need to watch.

[Nick Viall]

You ever seen those videos where a parent will, like, tell their kid to go in a room and they're. They don't know that there's a camera there, and the parent says, all right, I'm gonna step out, and you can say whatever bad words you want to say and you won't get in trouble. And the kids are just like.

[Natalie Viall]

But also some of them are like, shut up.

[Nick Viall]

Stupid.

[Co-host]

You know, it's like the words like, jerk, meanie. Yeah, that's. Yeah. That. If I were to do that with mine, it would probably lean more towards that.

[Natalie Viall]

That's so funny. Who are you going out with on tour?

[Co-host]

So this fall, I've got Mitchell Tenpenny coming out with me and Vincent Mason.

[Natalie Viall]

How fun. Pick those.

[Co-host]

So Mitchell's been one of my oldest buddies in town. I've always been a huge fan of him and just become friends. And he was out with us last year and just had a blast. And then when we started looking for support again, I was like, like, man, ask Mitchell if he'd do it. Totally expecting him to be like, dude, I just went out with you. I'm gonna go do my own tour or go with somebody else. And he took it again, so. And I'm, like, honored. I love Mitchell to death. And then Vincent is one that, like, I just got turned on to, I guess last year, heard one of his songs on TikTok, and I was like, dang, this kid's good. And whenever it came time to find another support act, I asked about Vince it. And he. He jumped at it. So. It's gonna be a fun tour. It's gonna be a fun one.

[Nick Viall]

That's awesome, man. Well, congratulations on all your success. It's. It's incredible to have you on the show. Thanks for being a part of our daughter's story.

[Co-host]

Oh, man, thank y'all. That. That truly means the world, and I appreciate y'all having me on. This has been awesome.

[Nick Viall]

Come back anytime, man. Especially as you. Any. Any. Any red TV shows you jump into, let us know.

[Co-host]

Let me know if I'm. If I'm way off. Off on this. If I. Because, like, no.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I think you're. No, I. I'm. I'm. Thanks for the recommendation. The way you describe it, it makes. And I hear other people are. Are watching and talking about it, and you should check out Traders, because, like, I think it. People are very much into, like, even, like, White Lotus. I don't know if you watch that, but, like, you know, these shows where it's a lot of, like, you know, Clue and you're supposed to kind of figure things out. It's a lot, you know, because ultimately, like, all reality TV is, like, depending regardless of what the format is. It's like. It's human interactions. You know, you're watching people. It's a way to, like, judge yourself, see yourself through other people's lenses, judge other people, and just kind of, like, see how people interact with each other. And it's like. It's just. It's just a fascinating, like, case study. So it's like, I think a lot of those shows, that's why they're so popular right now. It makes sense why. Why Netflix is kind of jumping on that bandwagon. Absolutely. I'm definitely gonna check it out. But, yeah, when you. When you. Let me know when you get another.

[Co-host]

Show, I'll send it over.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, send over. Congratulations on everything. You' tour, your music, it's all amazing. We're big fans, and thanks for coming on, man.

[Co-host]

I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

All right, thanks for listening, guys. Thank you. To disrespectfully as well. Be sure to check out the Ali Luber episode of Going Deeper, if you haven't already. We'll see you back on Monday.