E919 - The Valley, Katy Perry In Space, Aimee Lou vs Walton, RHOBH, Daniella Pineda & Elizabeth Wagmeister

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E919 Summary

Release Date: April 17, 2025

Welcome to Episode E919 of The Viall Files with host Nick Viall, alongside co-hosts Natalie Joy and the rest of the Household. In this engaging episode, the hosts delve into a variety of hot topics spanning reality TV drama, celebrity news, and insightful life discussions. Here's a detailed breakdown of the episode's key segments:

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1. Peach and Pit: Sharing Highlights and Challenges

The episode kicks off with the beloved "Peach and Pit" segment, where each host shares the highlights (peaches) and challenges (pits) of their recent experiences.

• Dorit on Social Media Criticism: Dorit discusses receiving negative DMs regarding her comments on Leia’s new haircut. She clarifies her intention was to commend Leia's confidence, not to be condescending.

  "I was saying she was brave and confident for getting her hair."
  [03:00] Dorit

• Nick on Customer Service as a Peach: Nick highlights his appreciation for his wife's newfound prowess in handling customer service calls, finding it both admirable and intimate.

  "It made me so in love with her just the way she learned something from me."
  [08:27] Nick

• Sutton's Joy and Concerns: Sutton shares happy news about her son starting to crawl, juxtaposed with the anticipation of future walking milestones.

  "He's scooting. It's really exciting. But I know it's also gonna become my pit very quickly."
  [12:09] Sutton

• Elizabeth's Personal Updates: Elizabeth mentions coloring her hair lighter and managing life as a single dog mom, alongside caring for her blind, elderly dog.

  "I've been a single dog mom for a week and a half... My dog's blind and 12 years old."
  [12:57] Elizabeth

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2. Celebrity Space Ventures: Katy Perry and Jeff Bezos

The hosts transition to discussing recent high-profile space missions, focusing on Katy Perry’s trip and Jeff Bezos’ involvement.

• Public Reaction to Katy Perry's Space Trip: The group explores why Katy Perry’s glamorous space journey has sparked both admiration and backlash.

  "The mission was criticized as a promotional stunt rather than genuine space exploration."
  [22:00] Kristen

• Elizabeth Wagmeister Joins the Conversation: Pop culture expert Elizabeth Wagmeister provides deeper insights into the commercialization of space travel and its societal implications.

  "With over 100 civil suits, Diddy is facing a mountain of legal troubles, both civilly and criminally."
  [28:33] Elizabeth

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3. Legal Drama: Harvey Weinstein and Russell Brand

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the ongoing legal battles surrounding Harvey Weinstein and Russell Brand.

• Harvey Weinstein’s Appeal and Trial: Kristen breaks down the complexities of Weinstein's legal situation, including his overturned New York conviction and the continuation of his Los Angeles sentence.

  "Harvey Weinstein is a convicted rapist... his team is appealing the Los Angeles decision."
  [33:11] Kristen

• Russell Brand’s Charges: Discussion shifts to Russell Brand’s formal charges and his public denial, alongside the support he receives from his fan base.

  "Russell Brand has been charged and is facing a trial starting tentatively in May."
  [42:10] Kristen

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4. Reality TV Insights: The Real Housewives and White Lotus Feuds

The conversation deepens into reality TV dynamics, specifically focusing on The Real Housewives franchise and potential feuds within White Lotus.

• Garcelle’s Perspective on Beverly Hills Housewife Season Finale: Garcelle expresses confusion over her abrupt exit during the reunion, pondering whether it was premeditated or a genuine reaction to on-screen drama.

  "I had the same question. Do you think that she had the intention of pulling that off?"
  [74:09] Garcelle

• Potential Feud Between Walton Goggins and Aimee Lou: The hosts speculate about rumored tensions between actors Walton Goggins and Aimee Lou in the series White Lotus, with Elizabeth providing limited off-the-record insights.

  "They are going to be doing something professionally in the coming weeks together, despite rumors."
  [50:39] Kristen

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5. Guest Interview: Daniela Pineda on The Accountant Sequel and Reality TV

The episode features an insightful interview with Daniela Pineda, who stars in the upcoming sequel to The Accountant alongside Ben Affleck and John Bernthal.

• Daniela’s Experience on Set: Daniela shares anecdotes about preparing for her role, including unexpected moments with co-stars like J.K. Simmons and the challenges of portraying a complex character.

  "Working with J.K. Simmons was intense; his realism tripped me up numerous times."
  [60:06] Garcelle

• Interactions with Ben Affleck and John Bernthal: She praises her co-stars, highlighting the collaborative and supportive environment on set.

  "John Bernthal is such a nice guy; he really is."
  [67:49] Garcelle

• Bridging Reality TV and Movie Careers: Daniela discusses balancing her reality TV fan base with her acting career, emphasizing the versatility required in both arenas.

  "It's therapeutic to talk about Bravo stuff, and I love being part of both worlds."
  [104:17] Garcelle

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6. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Content

As the episode wraps up, Nick encourages listeners to watch The Accountant 2 and anticipates future episodes featuring discussions on Bravo franchises and more celebrity insights.

"Daniela, you're fantastic in it. I can't say enough great things about the film and your performance."
[103:12] Nick

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Notable Quotes:

• Dorit on Handling Criticism:
  "I'm being dead ass serious."
  [03:06] Dorit

• Nick on Life Skills:
  "The key to life is anyone's ability to deal with customer service."
  [10:31] Nick

• Elizabeth on Legal Challenges:
  "Harvey Weinstein is a convicted rapist... his team is appealing the Los Angeles decision."
  [34:06] Kristen

• Garcelle on Reality TV Dynamics:
  "I could tell that they all cheers. She's holding her drink...she's out of here."
  [74:44] Dorit

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This episode of The Viall Files offers a blend of heartfelt personal stories, critical discussions on celebrity actions, and engaging interviews with notable guests. Whether you're a reality TV enthusiast or keen on the latest in pop culture and relationships, this episode provides a comprehensive look into the intriguing world of Nick Viall and his Household.

Transcript

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[Garcelle]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the vile Files reality recap edition. I am your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a great episode lined up for you today. What is your peach in your pit, my love of the weekend or the past few days?

[Dorit]

Oh, my God.

[Sutton]

Peach and pit.

[Nick]

You don't know what a peach and pit? Rose and thorn.

[Dorit]

I don't know peach and pit.

[Nick]

You ever heard pitch and pit? No, my wife taught it to me. Is it a southern thing?

[Dorit]

Probably.

[Jax]

Georgia.

[Dorit]

The peaches of Georgia.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Nick]

We may be exclusive to Georgians.

[Kristen]

Probably.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay. I like peach and pitt, Rose and thorn.

[Jax]

Or do we do the gator and the tail?

[Dorit]

Rose and thorn's a little bachelor.

[Nick]

Yeah, it is. What were you saying, Mary?

[Jax]

Oh, I said, in Florida, we do the gator and the tail, but you have to tear those apart. So it gets a little dark down there.

[Dorit]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Are you joking or is that I will believe this? Is this real?

[Jax]

I'm dead serious. I'm dead.

[Nick]

You're like, what was your heading, your tail of your day?

[Jax]

Gator head and tail, specifically. Ask anyone from Florida.

[Nick]

All right. Okay.

[Dorit]

What was the peach and pit of my weekend?

[Nick]

Or just like, the past few days? Yeah.

[Dorit]

I feel like you have an answer you want to share. So that's why you're asking me.

[Nick]

Yeah. So it's.

[Dorit]

Yeah. You know when someone's like, oh, you've.

[Nick]

Been a real b. Tch.

[Garcelle]

No.

[Dorit]

You know when someone's like, when was, like, the last time? Or when's the next time you're going on Vacation. And you're like, oh, I don't know, I maybe in a few. When are you like, well, next week I'm going to Italy and then I'm going to France and then I'm going to. And it's like, oh, okay, you wanted to talk about your trip.

[Nick]

Perfect.

[Dorit]

We can do that.

[Nick]

That is not.

[Elizabeth]

I go call doll. That's going to be me.

[Nick]

I was just generally curious.

[Dorit]

The pit was finding out that someone took my comments about Leia's hair as being. When I wasn't. I just was. I was saying she was brave and confident for getting her hair.

[Nick]

That actually just right there sounds a bit condescending.

[Dorit]

I'm being serious. I'm being dead ass serious.

[Nick]

For her to have like bravery and hair. It is the same sentences.

[Dorit]

To have never used a Dyson airwrap and then to choose the first time you're ever going to use it on the day you chop your hair off is confident and brave. That is not me being like, oh my God.

[Sutton]

Actually, I bought the Air app after I cut my hair, so.

[Nick]

Yeah, but the first time you used it and showcased it was the same time you were showcasing your new haircut.

[Garcelle]

Yes.

[Sutton]

Yes.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dorit]

So I got a DM. Someone calling me a.

[Nick]

Now these DMs are up, we need to start a new segment called Natalie's DMs. Yeah.

[Dorit]

Honestly, it'll probably just invite people to.

[Sutton]

Send me more or maybe prevent them from sending stuff.

[Nick]

I don't know. No, people love attention. Yeah. Anyways, you gotta. You gotta know because what's so beautiful about these DMs is because, like anytime Natalie gets like a DM like this, she'll like note, you know, if she notices one. Right. Like, and then it's. You kind of click on it. And it's almost always someone who's already multiple. Has already DMed her multiple times. And then it's like the change up. It's just like one. It's like.

[Dorit]

Yeah, they don't unsee send their previous messages. So like when they weren't pissed at me, they were asking me for links or something. And then it's like calling me a.

[Nick]

It's wild one. I forgot about this. Isn't that why I asked you? You're pinching your pit. But thanks for remembering. Yeah.

[Dorit]

She says, why were you legit such a to Leia today about her hair? Maybe because you have money now. You think being A is cute.

[Garcelle]

Oh my God.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Dorit]

Jarring.

[Sutton]

But also, we're friends and it was clearly like going Back and forth.

[Dorit]

But they also always feel like I'm such a to Nick too, when I'm like, you didn't shut the cab doors last night? And they're like, oh, my God, how dare you call him out on a podcast. You so. But Leah, I do love you and I do love that your hair is short. So anyways, her message. Her message about that looks the same to me.

[Sutton]

I'm never gonna cut my hair again.

[Nick]

Literally.

[Dorit]

You've got such a commotion. But her message above that is, where is this bagel place Looking for good bagels in la? Oh, no. For sure. Let me give you a bagel wreck after you call me.

[Garcelle]

A.

[Dorit]

Then her message above that is, natalie, you can do so much better than Nick. What are you doing? It's like, so she cared about me. She thought I was, like, good. And, like, too, like, too good for you. So she cared about me. And then she was like, oh, she has good taste. Like, and she has good taste in food. So, like, where does she eat? And then like, oh, no, she's actually a legit A and A. And I think being A is cute.

[Nick]

Does she still think you could do better? That's just really my big takeaway.

[Dorit]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth]

Nick's biggest concern.

[Dorit]

I would follow up, but, you know, you can't follow up with crazy. What do you always say? You can't reason with crazy.

[Nick]

Can't reason. Can't. Can't fight the Internet. That's for sure.

[Dorit]

Can't fight the Internet, you know.

[Nick]

Yeah, that was kind of my. Wow. Well, that wasn't my peach. But now you think I just. They make me laugh so much. These. These. The comments she gets. It's wild.

[Sutton]

Well, just post another bagel and it'll go right back.

[Elizabeth]

Literally.

[Nick]

One second. We. We have a customer service call.

[Kristen]

Where is it?

[Dorit]

Okay, thanks.

[Nick]

Bye.

[Dorit]

I cannot with these people. I cannot. That's.

[Kristen]

That.

[Dorit]

Sorry. Sorry to this the girl who has DM me. But you have been. You've been over jumped, and the pit has now changed to customer service of people.

[Nick]

Which actually, funny enough, brings me to my peach.

[Dorit]

Yes, of course.

[Sutton]

Natalie's pit is Nick's peach.

[Dorit]

Yes, of course.

[Nick]

Well, no, it's just like, listen, you know, every. Every household pun on words, but, you know, everyone has their, you know, kind of things that people do. You know, it's just like, for example, like, Nally does the laundry. I'm allergic to laundry. I do the dishes now he's allergic to doing dishes. You know, it works out for us historically when it comes to calling Customer service. It's something I take great pride in and I feel like I excel in. And I honestly think, like, the key to life is anyone's ability to deal with customer service. I really, I really do. It's like, it's, it's, it's great practice for like, life in general because I honestly think, like, the success, like, your, your ability to be successful in life is honestly your ability to, like, reason with people. Know when to ask for help, know when to push back, know when to set a boundary, know when to, like, talk calmly, know when to, like, escalate a little bit, you know? And honestly, if you get good at customer service, people who are trained to dismiss you, people who are trained to come up with excuses, etcetera, etcetera. Like, I'm a big believer. I've literally told one of our employees that they should call customer service over and over to practice on like, setting boundaries and pushing back, because honestly, there's no better place to learn how to do that anyways. My peaches. Over the weekend, we have been like, ordering some furniture, changing some rooms, etc. Etc. And my wife took it upon herself to start making calls. And I heard her in the background and I was, I was turned on. I was turned on. It was awesome. I was just. It made me so in love with her just the way she, like, I felt like, I felt like, wow, she really learned something from me. Like, I've add value in this person's life just the way she was pushing back and just. And again, like, it's not, it's not about calling up customer service and yelling at some point.

[Dorit]

Nick did at some point say, now they do know where we live. So maybe, maybe reel it in.

[Nick]

Just there was a couple, you know, listen, like, she's, she's not a. She's not a black belt yet. You know, like, this takes years of practice and I, you know, I've been really like, excelling at this and. But it's like she just took it upon herself and I was, I was quite turned on. It was. I found it to be very sexy.

[Dorit]

And I do feel like becoming appreciated.

[Nick]

Your help.

[Dorit]

Thank you.

[T Mobile]

Thank you.

[Dorit]

I do feel like becoming a mom. Leia, I wonder if you've entered this yet of like, you do kind of become a Karen. Like, I think it's just instinctual of like, I will yell at people going too fast through the, through the neighborhood. Like, I will tell you to slow down. I will like the, The. The people who, who I put out my. No soliciting Sign. And, like, they still come up and ring my doorbell, which makes my dogs bark, and then wakes up my sleeping baby. Like, I will chase you down the street and be like, did you see my sign? Like, I am in that era of life. And so I think, yeah, getting on the phone with those people and them just giving me the absolute runaround frustrated me so bad. And then it's like, they need you to say certain keywords. So I was like, can I speak to someone else who, like, can actually help me with this? And he was like, well, everyone else that I could give the phone to would give you the same answer as me. And I'm like, just anyone else? And he's like, is there a type of person? And I'm like, you're a manager. He's like, that's the word I needed. I'm like, stop playing a game with me. Like, I'm not fucking around.

[Nick]

No, but, like, that's what I'm asking for. That's the world. The world is full of people. Like, everyone in this world is, you know, operating under. They're the main character in this story, right? And so, like, whether it's at work, whether it's your friends, whether it's your family, we're all looking to, you know, get more than we earn, deserve whatever, you know, like, it, like, that's life. Life is about human interaction. It's about, like, if you're not going to set a boundary or expectations, if you're not going to ask for what you deserve, you're just not going to get it. You know, you're just not in life, in relationships, it doesn't matter. And honestly, like, if you. You have to get good at speaking up for yourself in a nice way.

[Dorit]

You know, like, because, like, people will push you. I think I talked about this with Lisa on our episode on Tuesday of just, like, these people will just push and push and push and be like, well, they, you know, they haven't called a complaint yet, so let's just keep pushing. And they had, like, pushed this delivery so many times to the point, and then it was like, oh, well, our truck's full now, so it can't go on. Oh. And I'm like, well, this was. I was scheduled for this three weeks ago, and now you're, like, not prioritizing me. And so you just. You do have to, like, stand up for yourself because, like, to get what.

[Nick]

You want and you get good at it. And you get good at, like, listening to people feeding you bullshit or, you know, actually trying to Help you. And again, like, the key to customer service is always asking for help because everyone wants to be a hero. You know, if you call up and say, I really need your help, that best way to start one of those conversations. But anyways, I, I thought that was great.

[Dorit]

Wait, what was your pit? If that was your phone, what was my pit?

[Nick]

I mean, there are so many, so many pits.

[Dorit]

Perfect. No, great. I thought we had a good weekend.

[Nick]

No, we had a great. We had a great weekend. But no, I just always had to put out, you know, I'm always putting out fires. I don't know, it's usually work related or some kind of thing that stresses me out. Nothing out of the ordinary. Okay. But that was, that was a peach. That was like, I was just kind of turned on and I was just like.

[Dorit]

And then we had crazy sex after that because he was so turned on.

[Nick]

So turned on.

[Dorit]

Yes, of course. Did anyone else have any fun peaches or pits of their week?

[Sutton]

Well, I got a Dyson airwrap.

[Dorit]

Yes, of course. And you're me commenting on it. Yes, of course.

[Sutton]

That was my peach. And then Natalie shouted on it. And that was my pick.

[Garcelle]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Dorit]

All right, moving on. Ciara, do you have any?

[Sutton]

No. Actually Louie started crawling.

[Kristen]

Oh, did he?

[Sutton]

Yes.

[Dorit]

Like, is he scooting or is he full on going?

[Sutton]

He's scooting.

[Dorit]

Oh, that's so fun. Yeah, he's gonna learn quick.

[Sutton]

Yeah, it's really, it's exciting. But I know it's also gonna become my pit very quickly.

[Dorit]

I honestly, everyone always said, you know, like, oh, just wait till they start walking, like. And I honestly, I was ready for her to start walking because the crawling stressed me out. Like, I'm like, I know you want it because they want to get down and they. And they know that they can move, so they want to get down and they want to move. But then you're like, no, this, we're outside. There's like dog poop. Like, you can't crawl here. We're in the grocery store. You can't crawl here. So it was like, I want, I need her to walk. And now she walks and holds my hand and it's perfect. Oh, you'll get that.

[Sutton]

Yeah, I'm excited for that.

[Kristen]

Sierra.

[Elizabeth]

I guess peach. I colored my hair lighter and I like it. So there's that hit. I've been a single dog mom for a week and a half because Connor's been out of town. So that's been a little stressful. Yeah, I'm like. And My dog's blind and 12 years old. And.

[Nick]

And.

[Dorit]

And isn't Bailey, like, obsessed? Yeah.

[Elizabeth]

Yeah. So it's like one of those things where it's like, okay, I'll be here soon. So I was like, that's been, like, stressful. But he comes back Sunday, So bless God, bless Mary.

[Dorit]

Anything standing out to you?

[Jax]

Oh, yeah. I mean, okay. So my peach is that on Friday, I got to go to a Lakers game for free with my friends, which was super fun.

[Dorit]

But was it fun?

[Kristen]

Did you feel like.

[Jax]

I did feel it was fun.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Elizabeth]

She had floor tickets.

[Jax]

I had.

[Dorit]

Oh, damn, she's rich as fuck.

[Jax]

No. Okay. My friend's boss got given tickets because of something that she did and then didn't want to go, so gave it to my friend. And then we all went, and it was really, really fun. We saw Luca. We saw Bronnie embarrass himself. It was. Made me laugh a lot. He, like, fumbled the ball, saw LeBron dunk, so it was pretty great. And then my pit is that there was a frat party at my apartment, and I had to go to it.

[Elizabeth]

E, you have to go to it.

[Jax]

Well, because I technically kind of co host it. It was like, all of the people that live at my apartment complex were, like, throwing a joint party. And then I was like, I'm not going to be involved in this.

[Dorit]

But it's so coded to be like, oh, my God, let's have a party. And then be like, why the fuck are these people in my house?

[Jax]

I did not. There are, like, four boys that live across from from us, and they were like, yeah, we're going to throw a huge, like, spring break rager. And I was like, okay. And then it ended up just being a joint. Like, all of our garages kind of, like, face each other, and there's, like, a big back area, so a bunch of people were there. And then it was just, like, a true frat party. And it was spring break themed. And I was like, well, I'm just gonna dress like me when I go home for spring break, but I had, like, a little crop top on and shorts, and I look at my friend, and I go, am I straight? Passing? And then she laughed in my face and fell on the ground.

[Kristen]

Perfect.

[Jax]

And I was like, gotcha. And then my. My boy roommate was like, maybe you could meet someone tonight. And I go, meet someone tonight. I'm trying not to get hate crimed tonight.

[Dorit]

That's crazy. I did find a. And it's a little icky, and it's a Little cringy. I understand that. But I am in my flip flop era. Do not look at my feet. But I am.

[Nick]

She is.

[Dorit]

They're like 10 bucks at Walmart. They are so comfortable and easy. And I miss wearing flip flops around the house.

[Nick]

It's fine. But where were we going?

[Garcelle]

I don't know.

[Dorit]

We're going somewhere, and then we came back home, and then we're going back out again. And I was wearing shorts, and I was like, is it. Are these okay? And it was like, you know how I feel about shorts. And he was like, those are cute. It's actually the flip flops. And can you put a hat on? And can you. And can you actually stay?

[Nick]

Yeah. My shorts thoughts are mostly centered around men. Like, shorts can be very sexy, obviously. And ladies. Ladies have great legs. We love that you show them off. But like, men, adult men. And if you're. If you're not working out, you shouldn't be wearing shorts. If. If you're on vacation, on a beach, kind of acceptable. Kind of. It's like, you're on vacation. Let's get nuts. You know, like, fine Hawaiian shirt, shirted up. You know, wear a pair of shorts. But if, like, if you're in the, like, continental United States and it's like, an afternoon and you're going out in public and you're wearing shorts, Nick's judging. You're kind of a loser.

[Dorit]

He's judging. Anyways, you have.

[Jax]

You have obviously. Oh, never been to a public supermarket before. But that's all I have to say on that.

[Nick]

I mean, listen, there's a lot of people out there I have low opinions.

[Dorit]

Of, but, guys, this space trip has turned into the most, like, laughable moment of our history, I believe.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

Like, the amount of, like, who said it. That this was a billion dollar of memes. Who said that?

[Nick]

Should we bring in Elizabeth to talk about it?

[Dorit]

We should definitely bring her in. But I have one thing I want to say before Elizabeth gets here, okay. And that's the fact that Gayle King said that the best part of it all was Katy Perry singing what a Wonderful World. It's like, she didn't want to just, like, listen to Spotify. Like, you had to go to. That's the best part of you going to space is listening to Katy Perry sing.

[Sutton]

No, I didn't think about that.

[Jax]

Let me know. For me, dog, that's the best part.

[Dorit]

Of her going to space. Not like, oh, I saw the moon.

[Nick]

Do you think Bezos wants his money back? He's like, that's the best part.

[Dorit]

It was like you heard Katy Perry sing live, like go to a concert.

[Sutton]

Maybe that's why he face planted.

[Dorit]

That was so embarrassing for him.

[Nick]

Who face planted?

[Dorit]

Jeff Bezos.

[Sutton]

Jeff Bezos. See this video?

[Nick]

No.

[Sutton]

He was like walking around and he just like tripped and face planted into the ground.

[Nick]

Before we finish the spaceship exploration story, let's bring Elizabeth Wagmeister on. If you don't know who she is, she's been a guest many times on this show, formerly a Variety, now at cnn. She is the foremost expert in pop culture journalism and she's going to break down this and many more stories. So let's bring on Elizabeth.

[Dorit]

Nick, have you ever had the conversation when you meet someone and they say, hey, how are you doing? And without thinking you respond with I'm good.

[Nick]

Almost every conversation I know.

[Dorit]

Well, when you say you're good, you should mean it. And that's why you need to use Headspace. Headspace is app that helps 100 million people with their mental health and well being. With guided meditations, mindfulness practices, breathing and calming exercises, and so much more, you can reduce stress, boost your mood, and sleep better.

[Nick]

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[Dorit]

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[Nick]

Hey, Elizabeth.

[Kristen]

Hey, how are you?

[Nick]

How's it going? Welcome back.

[Kristen]

Thank you. I missed you guys.

[Dorit]

We miss you.

[Nick]

You well, well, you know, we're just.

[Dorit]

Too busy for us. You are just here and there and.

[Nick]

Everywhere reporting all these big, high profile cases.

[Kristen]

I'm like, I'm too busy for my own life. I need more sleep and more time to hang with you guys. But I'm so proud of you. Like, this is the news that we all knew was coming. But you have worked so hard and I've been there from the beginning and I'm just so excited for you guys with your new deal.

[Nick]

Oh, well, thank you, Elizabeth. For saying we. We just pretend that the show just keeps going on. You know, it's just like we're still. We're still flying coach. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristen]

Like, you gotta be. You gotta be frugal and you gotta be smart to keep it going or.

[Dorit]

We'Ll end up like the rat lifts.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's the only way you stay rich. You know, it's like.

[Kristen]

Exactly.

[Nick]

Flat coach. Anyways, we were talking while we're waiting for you to join us about the infamous shuttle that Jeff Bezos sent a bunch of ladies up into space and to sing a jingle and. Yeah, the world is up. The world is. I'm. I'm shocked that this many people care about this. And, like, are. I mean, obviously it was always going to be kind of like some kind of stunt, right? Like, why do you feel like it's been so poorly received?

[Kristen]

The public really likes to hate on rich people doing things that they don't perceive as important. Particularly in this day and age where it seems like every day, you know, I work in news, I work at cnn, it seems like every day you turn on the news and the world is, you know, is falling apart in some fashion. There's terrible things happening all over the world. And then you see, you know, not every person who was on that shuttle, we'll call it, but many of them are wealthy and were in glam and spoke about how they wanted to be in glam and went up to space. And that's obviously a very costly mission. And I think that the reason why it comes off as tone deaf is because people are saying, is this really what's important? Now, of course, if you ask the people who commissioned this, they're saying, you know, those critics are totally missing the point. This is about equity for women, showing that women could do anything, and we're making history. And of course, you know, I'm all for that. And I do hope, like, if there's little girls out there who see this and are saying, oh, my gosh, you know, I can go to space one day too. Like, that's what you hope comes from it. But I think the manner in which it was done, you know, being on the COVID of Elle, talking about wearing glam up there, came off a little tone deaf.

[Nick]

Yeah, only because, like, I didn't realize that was, like the. The goal of the mission to, like, you know, break glass ceilings. Because I honestly thought that, like, when it came to, like, space exploration, we've had many very successful women astronauts, right? No, like, they've Been. Haven't women been going up to space for some time now?

[Kristen]

Yes. I think the difference here is that it was from, from their perspective, this was an all female space exploration mission. So the fact that it was all women, which I believe, you know, I don't study space exploration. I believe it's been done once before where there was an all female mission. So, yes, there have been many female astronauts, but the fact that it was so many together.

[Nick]

What was the mission?

[Kristen]

Great question. I have no, and I think, but by the way, like, I think this is the point as I think people were saying, you know, you went up, it took 11 minutes. You know, my commute to work is, is longer than that. And I think people were saying it was 11 minutes. What did we accomplish? What is the mission, is the question. I don't know. Again, like, I don't study this.

[Dorit]

It also does kind of feel like that they're using that. Like, we want this, we want little girls to see. But it's like, it feels like the message is like, oh, you need to be friends with like a billionaire like Jeff Bezos, and he'll put you on a flight. Like, it doesn't feel like you need to, like, believe in yourself and like you'll become an astro, you know, Like, I don't see how those two messages.

[Nick]

Yeah, I don't know if we know any of these. Are we calling them astronauts? I don't know. I don't think so.

[Kristen]

They technically are now.

[Garcelle]

Right.

[Dorit]

What is the definition of an astronaut?

[Sutton]

I'm calling them astronauts.

[Kristen]

They were an astronaut.

[Nick]

No one calls me a pilot when I go on an airplane.

[Kristen]

Right. But Natalie, I think, you know, you brought up the operative word here, which is Jeff Bezos. Right. So like, let's, you know, call out the elephant in the room. You know, I started off by saying people really love to hate on rich people for doing things that are out of touch and seem unnecessary. And, you know, if this were done by NASA and didn't include celebrities who spoke about wearing fake eyelashes in space, you know, if this weren't a Jeff Bezos funded mission, which, by the way, you know, if you do have a few hundred thousand dollars sitting around you, you can do it yourself. So I think a lot of people felt like this is a promotional gimmick, right, for Jeff Bezos's company, where maybe if it were, you know, done by someone else, it wouldn't have come off.

[Nick]

So wait, so this is like a commercial thing that anyone can do if they have the cash?

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

This was like the launch of it. Right. Like, this is like the first trip and now it's like, well, I think Logan Paul has been like, oh, I'm on the next one.

[Nick]

Like, so it's an. It's an elitist theme park. Yeah.

[Dorit]

Like, everyone can go to space as long as you have.

[Nick]

Yeah. You know, listen, if. If I want my daughter to be inspired, I, like, I want to know if any of these people who went up to space got at least a B in physics and science. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristen]

Like, well, here's the thing. There were, you know, we're just talking about the celebrities on there, but there were some women there who were overshadowed. Right. Like, who are in. In this world. So that's some commentary that I've seen as well, some criticism. People are saying, like, these women who actually, you know, have dedicated their lives to this are now being overshadowed. And by the way, like, for me, obviously, no hate on Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez, but, you know, they are famous and they are very wealthy and they were wearing full glam and they spoke about wearing full glam. And I think if the point of this was to. To use your, you know, what you said, Nick, to break the glass ceiling and say, women can do it all, which, again, like, representation is so important. If little girls see women going up into space, that's great. But the messaging around, it shouldn't have been, hey, should we wear false lashes in space? It should have been, we hope to inspire little girls.

[Nick]

I do think it's funny, though, when other celebrities criticize other celebrities for doing meaningless and pointless things because it's like, you know, I don't know, like, I saw like, Emily Ratajowski had some very critical comments, and it's just like, I mean, I guess, but like, you're all rich and famous and you all kind of, you know, it's. It's not like you're dedicating your entire life to helping those. And I'm not even expecting him to, but it's just like, Olivia Munn did.

[Dorit]

Have a good point. I think she, like, co hosted the Today show.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

And she was like, all that fuel, like, rocket fuel can't be good for the environment for 11 minutes. Like, and if we're going to do. If we're going to charge this and, like, make this a once a year kind of thing for whoever can afford it, like, we can't be doing good to our, our ecosystem.

[Elizabeth]

What I found was that It's. It's an $150,000 deposit that's required. But it's refundable to get a seat on one of these blue origins. And then the actual estimate for an individual seat can cost a range of 1 million to 1.5 million.

[Nick]

This is how rich people die.

[Kristen]

This is like the submersible.

[Nick]

Exactly.

[Kristen]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Yeah. Why are rich people looking for ways to die? Listen, I. I'm all for, you know, when it comes to this conversation, like, I'm all for, like, we need to not have, like, a. Like, let's die slowly, our society. I'm all for, like, thinking of the future, like, everything has a cost. We do need to take care of our Earth. And we also need to, like, advance our technology and maybe become a species that a hundred years in the future can, you know, I don't know, do actual space exploration. So I'm all for that. But, like, this is. Again, this is. This is an amusement park for rich people. It's just like, I'm all for exploring the sea. I'm all for exploring space, but, like, this. This isn't exploring. This is just, you know, Six Flags for rich people. Yeah, just like, finding meaning in life because you have so much money that everything is mundane and boring.

[Kristen]

Right. And by the way, mark my words, I don't. If I won the lottery tomorrow, you could not get me on that submersible. I mean, that would never. Oh, my gosh, never.

[Dorit]

Especially. And I just said this before you came on, but especially after hearing Gayle King say that the best part of going to space was hearing Katy Perry sing live. And it's like, out of everything you.

[Nick]

Saw up there, like, not dying, like, I went to space and I survived. Like, a lot of people haven't.

[Dorit]

Or, like, stars and planets.

[Kristen]

And you could also see Katy Perry on land. You know, like, you can, like, buy a ticket for her at any arena.

[Nick]

Weren't there, like, two astronauts who have been stuck in space for the better part of a year recently and, like, had to, like, be rescued?

[Kristen]

Yeah. And that's the other thing. The timing of that obviously wasn't good because it's like, why have they been up there for so long? It took so long for that rescue. And then here we are just kind of gallivanting down in 11 minutes. But I will say, like, from the other side, you know, amazing advancements in technology to know that, I guess if you have $1.5 million. But, you know, there is a technology that there could one day be commercial space exploration. And if that's what they're trying to promote, great. But when it's Jeff Bezos promoting that. And again, it is his fiance with her famous friends. And the messaging around it wasn't quite on brand for, you know, advancement for little girls and space exploration, that's where it becomes a thing. But, Nick, I am with you. My favorite part of this is all of the celebrities that are speaking out about it. And I thought Olivia Munn, I thought she did a really good job with her commentary because she was the first one to kind of put this on the map and say, wait, they said that out loud. Like, we're talking about wearing fake eyelashes and wearing glam in space. We're not talking about space exploration and the advancements in technology. So I was, I thought she did a really good job.

[Dorit]

I agree. I feel, I do feel like there's also a lot going on. Harvey Weinstein, Russell Brand, there's like so much going on. Can you catch us up? What do you know?

[Nick]

Yeah. All the, all these former A list men who have committed or allegedly committed some pretty terrible atrocities yet. What is the latest on these accusations?

[Kristen]

Well, you know, to my point, in the news every day, there's important things going on in the world, which, you know, maybe is why the 11 minute, you know, gallivanting to space what didn't land so well. So let's start off by talking about Harvey Weinstein, because this is a really big story, you both know, because I've been on the biopiles to talk about this before. I've been covering this for nearly a decade. I was in court for both of Weinstein's trials in New York and la, and just this week, his retrial started again. So I think from what I've been talking to, you know, my friends from viewers, people are really confused. They're like, why? Why is this happening? Isn't he in jail for life? Well, he was sentenced to 23 years in New York back in 2020. Then another trial, he was sentenced to 16 years in Los Angeles. So 39 years for someone in their 70s is, you know, effectively a life sentence. Well, he appealed the New York conviction, which you guys remember was the groundbreaking trial, hailed as a big victory for the MeToo movement back in 2020. He appealed that. And last year he won his appeal. Now, his appeal was not. He didn't win that based on the merit of believing the women or not believing the women. It was on a legal technicality, we'll say. I could go into that, but I won't bore you.

[Nick]

Kind of similar to the Bill Cosby of it all.

[Kristen]

Totally different Reasons, but similar in the sense that the conviction was not overturned because of what these women said. It had nothing to do with the allegations, nothing to do with believing the women or not. It had to do with something that the lawyers found that they took issue with. And the court agreed that, you know, when it comes to the justice system, there are certain rules and certain evidence that should or should not be admitted. So in this case with Weinstein, it was women whose allegations didn't lead to charges. So women who were uncharged witnesses were able to testify in the first trial. The court of appeals said that should not have been allowed. There were too many people with allegations of bad behavior who were allowed to testify in front of the jury. The only people who should be able to testify are the ones whose allegations were the reason for the charges against him.

[Nick]

What about, like, character witnesses or isn't that a thing?

[Kristen]

So, yes, but there's. There obviously will be other witnesses in this new trial who aren't the charged witnesses. You'll have expert witnesses. You'll have witnesses who can corroborate some of what these women are saying or who can corroborate what Weinstein's team is saying. But they do not want to have these uncharged witnesses who are effectively getting on the stand and doing what the other women are doing. They're talking about their allegations of horrific behavior from Weinstein that they allege that there's no charges. So this time you're going to see less women. There's three women testifying instead of six women. Two of the women have already testified and were the part of the reason why he was sentenced to 23 years. And now there's a third woman who is a Jane Doe. I don't know who she is. Nobody knows who she is. I got the first interview with her attorney. We aired that yesterday on cnn. This woman, who's an unknown Jane Doe, her identity will come out publicly in this trial. She will not be remaining a Jane Doe. She alleges that she was assaulted in a New York hotel by Weinstein in 2006. And being assaulted in a hotel is a pattern among these allegations. Many of these women. There's been over 100 women who have accused Harvey Weinstein publicly. Many of them have said, I was summoned to a hotel room under the false pretense of a business meeting, and then I was sexually assaulted. So, yeah, so it's interesting because he could be acquitted in New York. And if he's acquitted, the conviction in Los Angeles still stands 16 years. But his team is Also appealing that decision in Los Angeles. So it is not a crazy thing to say that there is a path now for Harvey Weinstein to walk free in the next few years.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, we never thought Bill Cosby would get out of jail. And next thing you knew, he was a free man.

[Kristen]

He very much is. And he's selling out shows in Pennsylvania when he does stand up.

[Elizabeth]

What?

[Kristen]

So I interviewed Harvey Weinstein's attorney this week, and he tells me that the first trial was unfair because Harvey was made out to be the poster boy of the MeToo movement, which they say unfairly was made out to be the poster boy. And that tainted the jury. So if you ask Harvey Weinstein, he says all of those women are lying. All 100 women. I've never sexually assaulted anyone. But as his lawyer told me this week, and he is correct on this, this trial has nothing to do with those hundred plus allegations. It only has to do with the testimony of three women. And what I will say, based on my reporting over the past decade, what that showcases to me is how hard it is to prosecute sex crimes cases. You have 100 women who have spoken out, but you can only get six in a court of law. And now that six is whittled down to three because the different intricacies in the justice system, there are reasons, whether it's the statute of limitations, whether it's that they couldn't bring charges, whether it's that the woman isn't willing to testify. There's a myriad of reasons why you can't get these women in the courtroom. So again, three women. The word of three women on the standard in 12 jurors. What they. It's three people and 12 people making the decision. That's what this case is about.

[Nick]

It's crazy. I saw a stat not too long ago, a couple weeks, who knows? I didn't fact check it. I saw it online. Maybe it was made up. I don't think it was. A man was giving like some kind of speech or Ted Talk and I think he said something like 95 of all like or like sexual offenders, specifically men against women never spend a day in jail.

[Kristen]

That's true. And I'm actually, while we're doing this, I'm going to look up the exact stat for you because I know what you're talking about. So this comes from rain, which R A I N N. Let me get the statistics for you. It may be more than 95, I want to say.

[Nick]

Actually, I thought, I thought I heard word 97, but I wanted to undersell it. Not over, you know, overdo it, but yes.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Nick]

So, well, while you're looking it up, you know, it's crazy when you think about it, like, I've made this story, whether it's my wife talking about an experience, I sadly have had too many women friends, you know, whether it's, you know, privately or whatever, have shared, you know, their terrible experiences at some point in their life. And I don't know a single friend who's a woman who's sadly has a negative experience like that where the person who violated them has any served any type of justice at all. You know, it's not a single one.

[Dorit]

And it's also because, like you, these stories go viral and you think, wow, like, is it even worth it? Like, these hundred women aren't even, like, considered for this. And so it's like, is this, Is it even worth going public? Is it even worth, like, all these people knowing that this happened to me? So I feel like these types of stories that go, you know, super viral and media coverage is crazy. It, like, it can hurt a lot of victims.

[Kristen]

And it's really difficult for these accusers to come forward for so many reasons. And this is what I have learned firsthand from my reporting because I have interviewed many Weinstein accusers. It's the public shame. It's going from being a private person to being a very public person. Your name is always on Google Next to Harvey Weinstein. I mean, there's so many reasons why, I mean, shame of talking to your own family. One of the Weinstein victims who testified in the first trial, she told me that her own father did not know this had happened to her. She had been harboring this for 15 plus years. And she told her dad because she said, this is going to be in the newspapers. So it's incredibly difficult for these accusers to come forward. And I looked up the statnick it. 25 out of every 1000 perpetrators will end up in prison. The majority of these alleged crimes are never prosecuted. So when you take that, you know, 25 perpetrators end up in prison out of every 1,000, it's because the majority of them, they're not even on the radar of law enforcement for a variety of reasons. So yet, Natalie, you're completely right that, you know, this story and many others went viral. And at the time, you know, from 2017 when Harvey Weinstein was first accused, and then 2020 when that trial happened and he was in court, that became this huge moment culturally around the world that, you know, women are not going to stand for sexual violence anymore. We're going to speak up. And then, you know, like everything, it's. I interviewed Gloria Allred this week who is representing one of the accusers in this trial. And she said it's always, you know, two steps forward and one step back. And, you know, but when you see these setbacks like this, that a conviction is overturned, you know, possibly could be acquitted, that will definitely scare more people from ever speaking up. And by the way, the reason why I can speak about this with such assurance, Harvey Weinstein is a convicted rap. So, you know, as a journalist, of course it's very important that I am looking at every side of every story.

[Dorit]

So, like, we can drop the allegedly, right?

[Kristen]

In this case, you have to use the allegedly. But he is not allegedly or he is a convicted. He was convicted in two jurisdictions and one of those still stands. So again, you have accusations by 100 women that he denies and he is a convicted in the state of California. So that's why we can really speak of this with clarity. But it is important to say that he completely denies ever having anything but consensual sex.

[Nick]

Him and Diddy, what's the latest on Diddy and Russell Brand?

[Kristen]

So Russell Brand, that's not a story that I am leading coverage on, so I'm not following that super closely. But just to kind of give you the latest on that is in 2023. You'll remember that's when the allegations first came out. And it was a few different publications in the UK who they did their own independent investigations. They had numerous women come forward with allegations of sexual assault against Russell Brand. And they, at that point the police in the UK started investigating these claims. So the claims first came out through journalists and then police started investigating. Now you fast forward about a year and a half since those allegations first came forth and he has now formally been charged with after police had been investigating these claims. So he came out and he denied these allegations back in 2023 and now he's denying these allegations, these charges again. And he came out on his social media and his framing was interesting because he said, you know, trust in the government and trust in our institutions is at an all time low. And, you know, who are you going to listen to? Are you really going to, you know, believe the government, you know, they're out to get him. And he's, you know, and he said, I've done a lot of bad things. I was a sex addict. I was an addict, but I was not a. So he came out and he Has a very, very large fan base. A very large fan base. And if you look at the comments on that video across his socials, people are really standing with him. You know, thank you for speaking up and for defending yourself. And, you know, not just, you know, being silent. Like, they're like, we stand with you, Russell.

[Garcelle]

You're.

[Kristen]

You're not a ra. But he has been charged. So it appears that there would be some sort of trial in the near future. I mean, there's many steps to get there. But he now, it's not just allegations made by journalists and made by women. Now there are charges. And he, you know, is. It's part of the case and then.

[Nick]

The ditty of it all. Is there any. Like, I saw a report not too long ago that I think one of the people who accused him of something dropped the charges, but I wasn't sure if that was more like a civil case versus, like, the federal case. Like, he's still very much being detained. Correct. And like, is there any from his camp? Obviously, they hope he beats these charges, but how is it looking in terms of, you know, Diddy being held accountable for his alleged crimes?

[Kristen]

For Diddy, it's not looking good. He is 100 still detained ever since he was indicted, which was fall of last year. When he was arrested in New York, he was put in jail. They make three attempts at bail. All those failed. So he has been in jail. He will be in jail until his trial. And if he is acquitted, then, you know, I'll be free. But if he is found guilty, he could never leave jail. So his trial is starting tentatively. It's starting May 5th is when jury selection starts. This is really soon.

[Dorit]

This is.

[Kristen]

But the latest development is literally two days ago. His team in court is saying that they want some more time. So the Judge said you 48 hours because, you know, we're moving full steam ahead. This trial is starting in three weeks, so if you need more time, you need to file your formal request for more time. So we'll know by this Friday there's actually a hearing on this matter. Where did. He will be in court in New York on Friday. If it's delayed, it'll just be delayed by a few weeks. So this trial is starting sometime between May and June. I will be covering it. So I will give you guys all the updates. But the case that you're referring to, Nick, that is one of the many civil cases so Diddy right now is facing. I need to do an update on the count, but over 50 civil suits, I think it's closer to 60 at this point. So he's facing a huge volume of civil suits that is completely separate from the criminal case. The criminal case is based on three victims, one of which is Cassie, and they will be testifying. And the civil suits technically have nothing to do with the case. However, it does color the case because a few months ago, I interviewed an attorney who explained to me that these civil suits are going to act as a roadmap for prosecutors because there's so many details in these suits that, of course, if you're a prosecutor investigating a criminal case, you have this, like, treasure trove of information. Now, it may not be true. Anyone could file a lawsuit, but if you're a federal investigator, of course you're going to look at these lawsuits and you're going to contact the attorney and find out if you can interview the Jane Doe or the John Doe. So while the civil suits are completely separate from the criminal case, I am told from numerous sources that we are going to see some of these civil accusers on the standard or that these civil accusers have been part of the investigation behind the scenes. So it's a long road ahead for Diddy. He has a mountain of legal troubles, both civilly and criminally. And the one that you. I believe you're referring to, Nick, that was dropped again, that's one of 50 plus. So he still has a lot of suits he is facing that was dropped because the judge. Each of these cases is. It's literally a case by case basis. They all. All the civil cases have different judges. Right. So the criminal case is one judge. The civil case has a different judge overseeing each one. It is up to that judge what rules they want to impart. So this particular judge said, I am not going to allow this person to pursue anonymously. They filed as a Jane or John Doe. And if they want to continue with this, they have to come forth with their real name. That particular accuser decided, I don't want to come forth with my real name. So they dropped.

[Nick]

Wow. Fascinating. On a slightly lighter note, please, I. I know you. I saw you tweeting about White Lotus. I don't know if you've been investigating this. The Internet seems to be as well. But, like, have you. Do you have any tea on the Walter Walton Goggins? Amy Lou, potential drama of it all? Because there's a lot of speculation that, you know, he has her block, that they, you know, he posted this very nice message at the end, but there seems to be some disconnect then the SNL thing happened where she seemed upset about her betrayal. And then Walton like Googled, haha, that was great. Now maybe that could have been completely unconnected. Maybe he just thought it was great and just didn't, like, pay much attention to, you know, her character was portrayed. But like, whether it's as a fan, like us, you know, following the case, or as a reporter, do you have any insight on this potential feud?

[Kristen]

So, first of all, I'm fully engaged in this, just like you are. And I will tell you, this is the funniest thing about working at cnn, right? Like, everyone is a serious journalist. You know, I have colleagues who are on Capitol Hill and at the White House and anytime there is something like this, my phone is blowing up. Everyone is like, what do you know about this White Lotus feud? I wish I had more for you. I do know. So I. The only thing that I will say, I was told this off the record, but there is something professionally that they are doing in the coming weeks together. So if there really is a feud, this has not. Okay, stop them from, like, it's not like they can't be in the same room is my point. Because I am told that there is something on the books, but also, like, work is work, right? So if you have to do something for work, look, they're about to go into a giant Emmy campaign. Like, every person in that show is going to be nominated. They're going to have to be in the same room. But the reason why that was interesting to me is because if you look at like a Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni thing, like, they cannot be the same, right? So this isn't at that level by any means, because I am told that they are going to be doing something for work in the next few weeks. And also, I do think, like, I have no idea if there's really a feud or not. It could just be a bunch of, like, nonsense.

[Garcelle]

Who knows?

[Nick]

Well, to your point, though, back to the Blake and Justin of it all, that all started with people speculating or noticing that, like, she didn't follow him and the rest of the cast didn't follow him. And then they weren't seeing the red carpet and what was like, oh my God, is there something going on? And maybe nothing turned into this massive pop culture case that everyone's talking about. So it's, you know, it's like, hey, it's probably nothing but holy shit.

[Kristen]

And I, like, it's odd to unfollow your cast member. Like, that's, that's very weird.

[Nick]

It's even More odd to block them.

[Kristen]

Yes. Right. So it's not like we are, you know, we're not just like fanning the flames here, like there is something to talk about and that maybe they're like ranking all of us and we're gonna find out like, oh, they're in on this. And you know, they, he blocked her because it's gonna be this whole thing. I have no idea. But what I will say is knowing how the inner workings of entertainment media works, which you two definitely know a.

[Nick]

Lot about as well.

[Kristen]

But anytime when someone is in the spotlight, anytime something incremental happens, like it could be the most nonsensical, doesn't matter thing, it becomes a story. So Walton Goggins talking about, you know, the SNL thing and praising it, to your point, Nick, he totally could just be like, oh, I thought that was funny. Like they did something on our show, haha. And it could have nothing to do with her. But now everybody reads into it and it becomes a thing. So I'm invested and I want to.

[Nick]

Know just as that, thank you for that little off the record tea. We, we appreciate at least that's, that's more than anyone else on the Internet has given us so far. So we will look to see if that, that work thing ends up happening and maybe we'll see Walton and Amy Lou in the same room sooner than later.

[Kristen]

Elizabeth, I hope I don't get in trouble. There you go. There's the tea.

[Nick]

I appreciate it. Elizabeth, always fun to catch up with you. Thank you for the insight. Look forward to having you back in the future. Please let our audience know where they can follow you and follow your work.

[Kristen]

Yes. So you can follow my work at cnn. All platforms, on air, online, on social and my personal socials where you can also follow my work is at E. Wagmeister.

[Nick]

Amazing. Always great to talk with you, Elizabeth. We'll talk soon.

[Kristen]

Bye bye guys.

[Nick]

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[Garcelle]

Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

[Nick]

Oh, we are so excited. I mean, first of all, we just always love to have a Bravo fan with us to talk about all things Bravo. But before we get to that, you are starring in the accountant 2. Natalie and I saw it last. Was it last week?

[Dorit]

Yeah.

[Nick]

We went to a theater, got a private showing.

[Dorit]

It is so good.

[Nick]

This is such a. It's an incredible movie.

[Garcelle]

I fucking hated it. Yeah, I know. It's good. It's really good.

[Nick]

It's so fun. And obviously there's always so many conversations these days about, like, the movie theater experience, going to the theater. You know, it's so easy to, like, wait for things to come on demand or streaming or things like that. And this is truly one of those, like, just fun, feel good movie theater, like, movies that you really have to go and see it. I honestly think it's like a great date movie. You know, there's a lot of action. There's. There's love. I mean, the whole, like, theme of this, like, honestly, movie is about, you know, Ben Affleck's character, like, kind of like looking for love. It's funny. It has great comedy. You play this badass assassin. It's. It's such a fun movie.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, it's. I think it's Ben's best part. Like, personally, like, I think it's the part that, like, he looks like he's having the most fun, which people are like, really? And I'm like, yeah, I do. I think it's like the best part that he's ever had. I also think that it's. It's pretty hard to pull off an elevated sequel. But, you know, I always tell people, like, you know, like James Cameron, like, you establish the world in the first movie and then in the second movie is when you can kind of like, venture off and start to have fun. And it's only with really talented directors. So Gavin was. Gavin was really able to pull that off. And dare I say, I love the first one. I saw it in theaters. My father also fucking loves the first one. But the reason why he loves it is because he was like. When we left, he was like, you know, it's really amazing. He's. You know, he's. He's. He's economical. You know, he's not spending his money everywhere. You know, his house. It's like a. It's a reasonable house. Like, so that's what resonated with my dad. My dad's so cheap, so he felt very seen. But I think the second one's better than the.

[Dorit]

What was his reaction to being like, dad, I'm in the second, and you're.

[Garcelle]

Gonna like, oh, my dad freaked out. Like, he flipped out. Like, everyone flipped out. I mean, we. I really loved the first movie, like, in 2016 and went to go see it. So. Yeah, it seems like I'm always latching onto sequels. I get lucky with sequels.

[Nick]

Well, Daniel, I agree. I thought. I think it is better than the first. I loved the first. The first is a rewatchable. Like, it's just one of those movies, like, you can't find anything on Netflix wherever it's streaming. For me, the account's always been like, well, let's put on the accountant, you know, because it's always just like, yeah, good. Just a good movie. There's. It's. It's. It's fun to just put on. I don't know. There's good action, great acting, great characters, great writing. And then, yeah, the. The second one, I think, is considerably better. Not because anything was bad about the first one. It's just more of everything you loved about the first one. And there's a lot more also, but a lot more comedy. Like, I think I didn't think the first one, it was as funny as the second one. And Ben and John and, you know, that dynamic, those two guys, the whole brother dynamic. It really. It's. It's. I literally clapped at the end. We were. We an empty theater because we got a private screening and they got done. I was just like. It was. It was so good. I loved it.

[Dorit]

What kind of, like, preparation did you have to do to prepare for this role?

[Garcelle]

Well, I didn't have a whole lot of time. I mean, I think they just gave me enough time to start training for the fight scene. But thankfully, they shot that at the End of production. So if they shot at the beginning of production, like, I may have been in trouble. And I've done. I've done a lot of fight choreo stuff before, but. But, oh, my God, this one was definitely different and really involved. And it's so funny because you work your ass off, and then the scene ends up being, like, two minutes.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

You're just like, wow, I died for months. I didn't have. So I didn't have a whole lot of time, but thankfully, I had enough time to train. But as far as, like, character stuff goes, so funny. It was. I mean, to go way, way back. I. I got a. A reading from a psychic. Her name's Jennifer Schaffer. I actually met her at Jessica Alba throws this, like, Latino universe party. It's like every Latino actor ever, like, gets invited to this party, and, like, everybody's there. And I got there early because I'm a loser. And so Jennifer was. Was there. She's a psychic. And so she was giving free readings, and they were like, do you want to. Do you want to get a reading with Jennifer? And I was like, yeah. And it's just five minutes. And she just, like, throws all this info at you, and you don't even say a word. And so I was like, oh, I have to talk to this woman again. So I spoke to her end of January, and she says, there's gonna part. There's gonna be a part that's gonna come around. It's going to present itself, and then it's going to go away, and then it's going to come back, and it's going to change things for you. And I was like, oh, boy. You know, I was. I was so excited because also, you know, most actors, everyone's coming off of COVID and they're coming off of the strike, and entertainment kind of has this feeling right now like it's being held on by a string. A lot of thoughts about that. So it's. It's kind of a dark. It's a little bit of a dark time. So I was, like, really jonesing for a win. And so I. I got the audition for it, and I. I did it, and I knew who I was up against. You know, it's like, usually, no, depending on the project, kind of who you're going to be up against. And so I was. I thought I did something really different, and I thought I. I was like, how do I just be scary? She's just got to be scary. And. And. But then it then went away, and I was like, what the. I. I thought I. I didn't even get a call back. Like, I thought I was really gonna. Something was gonna happen. And it went away. And at that time, I was attached to another movie that was supposed to shoot in Columbia, and that had fallen through, thank God. But at the time, like, middle of February, I was like, I don't have a job. And then my agent calls me at, like, 9pm at night, and I'm pretty sure I'm actually. I'm being sincere. I think I was like two gummies in watching the Valley. And then my agent calls me and he's like, Gavin O'Connor, it's count two. He just wants you. He just wants you. So. So please. He's like, don't it up. And I was like, oh, okay.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Garcelle]

I just remember being stoned and very scared. So overwhelmed that I was having all this anxiety because I was having, like, such a chill night. And then it went to, like, 10. And then I. I came in and for him, and I think. I think I only had one. Was it one or two? I think I only had one audition with Gavin in person, and the other. The other piece of it. Not to give away any spoilers or anything, but. But I just assumed that she was just kind of this sort of cool supporting character. I didn't realize that, like, the whole.

[Dorit]

Movie is about my character.

[Nick]

Yeah. And I just centered around the character. Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Yeah. It's almost like she should have a spin off.

[Nick]

Literally.

[Garcelle]

It's like they're setting up. I feel like you also learned that.

[Dorit]

You look amazing bald and with short blonde hair.

[Garcelle]

Oh, thank you very much. I mean, I did not prefer the bald look. I was happy when that scene just kept going into the next segment. But thank you. I appreciate.

[Nick]

Yeah, you're very versatile.

[Dorit]

How exciting to find out that way, though. You don't actually have to, like, do it, you know?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Oh, there was a. You know what? Before the movie started, they were like, they might want to shave your head. And I was like, what? I was so freaked out because I have taken so long to grow my hair out. And then once I got there, hair and makeup was like, we never wanted to shave your head. And I was like, why did they tell me that?

[Nick]

I was like, you know, that reminds me of. This is a little bit of a callback, but have you ever seen Zoolander?

[Garcelle]

Of course.

[Nick]

I could quote that movie. Will Ferrell famously plays Magatu or something, and he has that crazy hairdo. And I guess, like, that's his real hair. And he ended up telling the story. I don't know if he went on, like, late night television that, like, after they did the hair, they were like, we could have like, gotten you a wig for that. You know, like, hair and makeup said that.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And he was like, I would have loved to have known that. But, yeah, they kind of remind me of that where it's just like, when you make these movies, as you know, you know, there's hundreds of employees, you know, people in the background you. You never know of. And there's so many, like, departments and communication, hair and makeup, wardrobe, production, producers. It's like, it's fascinating to hear and, like. And very believable that at one point you were told you might have to shave your head. And next thing you know, someone's like, man, are you talking about. No, we can just put a bald cap on you.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, I was so. I was really sweating because I've had, like, you know, in the first Jurassic movie that I did, J A Bayona, the director, he was like, I want you to cut your own hair. And I was like, oh, right, right. Like this character. Cut your own hair. I was like, okay, great. And then he comes in the trailer with me. Okay, so now you got your own hair. And I was like, I'm in front of Oscar winning hair and makeup. But he's so, like, hardcore in the method and being. And so I literally had to take scissors and cut my own hair. And it looked. Looked so jank. Like, you know when you get a Barbie and you're, like, working the scissors to, like, get the chunk off? I looked like that. And I was, like, gonna cry. And you're using plastic. Perfect. Yeah, exactly. And. And then they. They fixed it up for me. But, yeah, it's always a. I. If it were up to me, I would just. Excuse me. I would only wear a wig and I would never cut my hair. But the other thing that was crazy about this movie was I told Gab. Gavin just asked me, like, so what do you think? Like, what's her look? What's her. What's her vibe? And I kind of did a deep dive, you know, when I knew less about the film, I did a deep dive on, like, female assassins in Mexico and, like, cartel assassins. And I kind of just went down a hole. And it's funny because I feel like when they portray assassins in movies or like, when they have a look, I feel like they always do the same cliche look, which is like they shave the sides of the head, like, first of all, I'm just tell you, like, producers and people out there, like, please stop having alternative women shave the side of their heads. Just let's put that to bed and stop that now so that I don't get confronted with this for the rest of my career. But these women and I never see this, and we didn't go this direction, but all of them have, like, the thickest fake eyelash extensions. I'm talking about assassins who, like, have a high body count. Like in Mexico, they have long black extensions and then eyelash extensions. Like, you know, the tsa like, extensions. It's like that. And I was like, where's that lady in movies? But I told Gavin, I was like, I. I kind of want her to be. I want her to be blonde. Couldn't she be blonde? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, wait, really? When I tell you that might not sound like anything to you, but in movies, everyone already knows what everything's going to be. You don't really get a say. So that was weird for me. Like, and then I had a meeting with all these department heads, and they were like, okay, so what are we thinking for the look? And Gavin just looked at me and was like, just tell them what you want. And I was really like, that was so different for me. So I got to, like, like, develop kind of.

[Dorit]

Yeah, that's really.

[Garcelle]

Got to be blonde, finally.

[Nick]

Have you. Had you ever met Ben Affleck or John Bertha before you worked with him?

[Garcelle]

No. No, I hadn't. No. It was definitely my. Definitely my first time. Ben's huge. Ben's, like, enormous. He's like a very tall person. When I first saw him, I was like, jesus, he's like a sycamore tree. And. And John Bernthal, he's just the. He's just the nicest guy. He's so nice. He really is.

[Nick]

They're both incredible in this movie, I think John really, you know, especially the. The comedy element really brings it, and it's. It's. It's such a fun watch. And then you also had a scene.

[Garcelle]

J.K. simmons.

[Nick]

Yeah, J.K. simmons. So, like, you got to. You. You got to do work with all these, like, like, very successful, very, you know, established actors in their own right. It was that, like, a cool experience for you, but, I mean, you've done so much other work and other great movies or, like, do you ever get excited when you get to work with, like, a big name or someone who's been around, or are you just kind of like, hey, it's Just another day at the office.

[Garcelle]

No, I'd usually, I mean, with the JK scene, I was so excited, but I was also myself was like, I have to come correct. Like, I have to really be on it. And I was so excited because, I mean, a lot of actors will say. I tend to find that, like, especially like young actors are just jumping in. You're like, I want to work with these directors and I want to work with like the coolest directors. And obviously anyone wants to work with those people. But at the end of the day, the people who make you a better actor are working with top actors. Like, a director is not going to make you a real. A better actor. Other actors will. And, and it's nice to work with people who are, you know, he's like, JK is like Oscar winning. Like, he's top notch. So I, I was pretty nervous. And he's such a good actor that he did this thing that really tripped me out. He would. Okay, so we're like sitting at a table and so in the middle of his scene, he'd be like, okay, I'm. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And he. So he would stop. And every single time I thought that he was like cutting the scene, I thought that he was actually stopping. And so I would like, oh, he's stopping the scene. And then he would just keep saying his lines. And I was like, oh, he's not stopping the scene. Oh, no, no, he's. Oh my God. He's such a good actor that I just got convinced he's so realistic that I thought we're cutting. Like, that's how good he is. Like, he's. And he's so cool. And it's also like, you know, it's like super, super late. I think we shot that scene, like, I think it took like three days to. To shoot that whole sequence. It's night time. It was like nighttime shoots. And so I felt like I was, I would, I would try to, I would do good to like, give him his space. But then also, like, I feel like good at making older men who are a little maybe grumpy and tired, like, make them laugh. I feel like I'm the whisperer of that. Not to call, not say JK's grumpy, but you know what I mean? He's a seasoned actor. He knows what he's doing. And it's late and he's. We're all tired. And I thought, I thought it worked.

[Nick]

Do you ever, you know, Ben's someone who, like, I always empathize with Ben. I just feel like the press is always, like, bugging him and annoying him, and he's always ends up in these memes and things like that. And. Can we just leave this man alone? I really think Ben, like, does not get enough credit. Is, like, a very talented filmmaker, whether it's as a director or. Or a producer or obviously as an actor. Like, he's done some amazing work. And I just don't know why the Internet's so obsessed with, like, you know, obviously he has his own demons as well. But, like, I want, like, why are we always photographing this man, like, with a. With a grumpy look on his face?

[Garcelle]

He doesn't want to be.

[Nick]

Yeah. It just feels like, you know, like, you know, when you hear people who do work with him, you know, they seem like they always have pretty good experiences, you know, working with Ben.

[Garcelle]

I guess I'm speculating because you're sort of, like, talking about, like, why is this person so in the zeitgeist? And I feel like people really identify with him because he has this underdog energy.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

And. And he's earned. I think he's earned everyone's respect because, you know, he has been so public, and we have seen sort of everything that's. That's happened to him and the ups and downs. But what I think so awesome is that through all of that, there's been one consistent through line, which is that he fucking cares about movies. He cares about movies. Artist Equity, his studio, they're making some really wonderful projects. They're setting their business up in a way that really puts talent first, that gives, you know, crew a percentage. They're really looking after the people who. Who make the movies. And sometimes that's. That's. That's not a big priority for. For some people who are pretty high up. And I love that Ben cares if the. If a movie is good. He cares so much. So, you know, if you're gonna do a movie with him, like, oh, thank God. Like, people are obsessed whether or not this end result is good. And I think that's definitely the case with. With this movie. And Ben's super, super smart. Like, sometimes he'll just, like, bust out some random thing. And I'm like, what? Like, the other day we were doing. We had this interview with, like, LA Times or someone, and he started talking about statistics, and I was like, what? Like, it was. It was just so, like, wait, what are you talking about? It was so, like, in depth. And I was like, this guy is like, he's got layers.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. I find him so fascinating, and I think it's obviously just very cool to have worked with him. And I agree with everything you've said about just his films, and you can see his care in his projects. And it's like, as just a fan, it's just like when Ben Affleck's in the news, either some sort of mean meme talking about his relationship status, and then sandwiched in between these two, you know, extraordinary projects where, like, people talk about him as if he's, like, at the tail end of his career, but he's, like, constantly just putting out banger and banger and banger, and just. I. We just have to put more respect on Ben Affleck's name, because I just feel like pop culture just, like, for some reason, always just likes to pick on the guy for. And I don't get it.

[Garcelle]

But I also think that pop culture sometimes, too, they'll. They'll pick on people they love, you know, like Keanu Reeves. Right. Like. Like, everyone loves Keanu Reeves, and you have sad Keanu. It's almost like a. It's a rite of passage.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's true. You ready to talk a little bravo here?

[Garcelle]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

So do you want to start with the Valley, or should we. We should we put a close on the season of Beverly Hills?

[Garcelle]

Let's do Bev Hills and then Valley.

[Nick]

Okay. I was very excited to watch this final episode. Mostly centered around, like, you know, Garcelle's exit. You know, the whole, like, she wanted to take a group photo at the beginning of the reunion, and then she was the one who walked away. I was a little shocked when it got to the end, because I thought there was going to be, like, a very clear explanation as to, like, what triggered Garcelle or why she was upset, and it was kind of unclear.

[Garcelle]

I had the same question. Do you think that she had the intention of pulling that off? I. I feel like it was genuine, but do you think that she had the, like, this is how I'm gonna exit? Like, it was premeditated.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

Like, I feel like the way. And the camera obviously wasn't on her the whole time, but you could tell that, like, they all cheers. She's holding her drink. Everyone's then putting their drink down. She kind of, like, gathers up her dress. It's like she waits for her moment and then is like, I'm out of here. I'm not taking, like, waited for Andy to be like, all right, let's take the group photo.

[Nick]

Like, she was like, if, if I like the drink, I'm gonna stay, and if I hate the drink, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Like, it kind of made no sense.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, I, I, I wondered the same thing. I almost wish that, that you could have some sort of, like, you know, visual, like, behavioral decoder who could, like, watch her face and then figure out what were the things that were said that really triggered her to just want to bounce. Because I had the same question. I was like, what is. Like, is there one thing, but it just seems like, I don't know, nobody was smiling.

[Elizabeth]

She did say at the end that she felt like she was kind of, like, left alone on an island when she called out Dorit and PK on the whole, maybe the staged robbery of it all.

[Garcelle]

I gotta tell you, I'm usually team Garcelle.

[Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

But if there was people who broke into my house and then, like, threatened me with, like, a gun and I had, like, kids in the house and that shit really went down.

[Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

I gotta say, if someone said I made that up, you're gonna get a reaction. Yeah, that's a little gnarly.

[Nick]

Yeah. But, you know, I'm with you, Daniela, and I. And I do see both sides because then I've said this on previous episodes, and it seems like from Garcelle's point of view is that, like, I know from the gossip, talking to other people in this circle. Garcelle is not the only one in this, like, friend group or extended group that suspects, you know, that the story they've been told isn't exactly what happened. Fair enough. But I think there's a big difference between, like, friend gossip behind the scenes and then going on a platform or on this show and just making a flat out accusation without any evidence of, like, illegal shit to, like, to the point of, like, Bozeman or Andy. It's just like you're, you're accusing this person of, like, a federal crime. And it's just like, right, that's hardcore. This is a little different than, like, you know, just, like, gossip among friends. And the fact that, like, Garcelle, like, was so upset with the rest of her peers, I guess, for, like, not having her back, it's just like, again, like, there's a difference between gossip and, like, well, hey, I didn't know you were going to sit there and platform this rumor and die on this hill. It just, it just, it was surprising. I didn't get that.

[Elizabeth]

And I will say I don't feel like she was ganged up on more than anybody else. I was like, Sutton got hers, Dorit got hers, Kyle got hers. So it's kind of like she clearly internalized it, but it was just like, I don't know why. When given the opportunity to share what you're feeling, like, Right. She must have been deciding in that moment, like, I'm done.

[Garcelle]

Right.

[Elizabeth]

You know, like, I don't need to answer your questions because I won't be coming back because why wouldn't you want to clear that up?

[Nick]

I almost felt like part of the reason why she was. Was upset is almost like she felt like she didn't get enough, like, air time at the reunion. Because she was like, pretty quiet throughout these. This three part reunion. Like, there wasn't a lot.

[Garcelle]

But that's why. Of Garcelle saying, I think that she was planning to bounce this whole time. Or I suspect anyway, if you know you're gonna leave, you're looking at the clock and you're like, are we done yet? And then I'm gonna have my grand exit because maybe I've had a sleepy season.

[Nick]

Yeah, you're right. Her body language kind of the whole time was just kind of quietly sitting there.

[Dorit]

She said she was not answering questions.

[Elizabeth]

And then she still answered questions.

[Dorit]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Do you guys think that a lot of it had to do with Sutton? I think this reunion showed very clearly that Sutton wanted to prioritize her relationship with Kyle and Erica. And even. I mean, not Dorit, but a little bit even Dorit. And then Garcelle's like, okay, then I'll just like go fuck myself then. You're not going to be my ally here.

[Elizabeth]

Totally.

[Garcelle]

It did seem like the first time that Sutton and Garcelle were in. In. In a bit of a squabble. Yeah, Right.

[Elizabeth]

And then they asked about Sutton's behavior. And usually Garcelle's like, no, I understand why. Or like, tries to reason with. And she's like, yeah, no, I would say that that would be a fair.

[Garcelle]

And by the way, I don't approve of Sutton's behavior this season. Like, I really did not. Like, when she's like, well, my. My wallet is.

[Elizabeth]

Yep.

[Garcelle]

I'm thinking myself like. I'm also thinking myself like, but you married someone who had money. Yeah, girl, you didn't go and earn that. You married somebody. I mean, granted, you could also say that she probably, you know, rightfully so contributed to his wealth. Because that's oftentimes what happens, right? Unpaid labor of women and the wife and the mother and these things. But I was Just like, that is such a lame ass thing that I really just. I couldn't stand that. But I'll say this. I did go, what year was this? It was like maybe two or three years ago. I went into Sutton's store in West Hollywood and I walked in and she was there and she's like, oh, hey, how's it going? Sorry, this place is the best.

[Nick]

Blah, blah.

[Garcelle]

Do you want some wine here? And then she like poured me champagne. And I gotta say, I was treated like royalty when I walked in. She didn't know. She didn't know anything about me. And then she. And then we just like had I don't know how many little proseccos, just chit chatting, gift a gab and talking.

[T Mobile]

It's pretty fun.

[Nick]

I've. I've heard stories like that about Sutton many times, so not surprised to hear that. And like, watching this, you know, I'm, I've always been a big fan of Dorit, you know, as a character on the show. But watching these past few episodes, like, totally with you on the Sutton money comment, it was just kind of like, tacky. It was beneath her. Like it was just a bad look.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And how do I want to say that? It's just like when Sutton's mean, because Sutton can be very defensive and she never admits she's wrong. Like, most of the housewives don't admit ever when they're wrong. But I don't think. I think when Sutton is mean, it's a reaction to her feel. Feeling threatened. Right. And sometimes things come out the wrong way. And with Dorit, I think when Dorit's mean, she seems very in control. Like, is almost like a. Meanness is like something she relies on as a tactic to, like, you know, get her through social situations. Does that make any sense? Because it just. She seems so in control when she's mean, where Sutton just always feels like she's just unraveling if she says something that you're like, oh, I don't know. That, that, that was a little mean. Mean.

[Garcelle]

Yeah. I think Dorit is okay and feels confident, like being the captain of her ship when it's. When it gets mean. Whereas you could tell Sutton feels really uncomfortable. She doesn't want. She doesn't like being there. That's not her. That's not her, you know, her safe zone. I feel like Sutton really hates conflict. Can we get a show with just Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly and like, they have to like, do go on some adventure, like a treasure hunt, like.

[Jax]

A crappy Lake, but with Jennifer Tilly and finding ghosts.

[Nick]

Like ghost hunting with Jennifer Till.

[Dorit]

Jennifer Tilly and Kathy Hill and Mary Crosby.

[Jax]

Oh, my God. And Mary Cosby.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

And they just get, like, lost and forget that they're on a show.

[Dorit]

Yeah, we need Miriam Cosby on that as well.

[Jax]

Jennifer Tilly saying she wished she slept with more above the line talent, but she only dated character actors and squishy.

[Garcelle]

Comedians is my favorite. Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Anything else about Bev Hill? I mean, other than, like, I just really hope that next season. You know what. You know what's really. I. I didn't realize watching this. I didn't realize that every single one of the Beverly Hills Housewives other than Bozeman is as a single woman. You know, like a franchise that was usually based off of, like, you know, housewives in a relationship, that so many of these women are now single. And I remember going into this season, like, wishing or hoping that this would be the season where we get to see, like, Kyle date or Dorit date. It's like, all right, well, if we're gonna. If you're going to be single, I want to, you know, how these women interact in their. In their relationships and love lives is something I want to see. And I. And I don't want to see it, you know, in the form of Kyle talking about Mo again and again and again. You know, do you want to get back together?

[Garcelle]

I suspect that they're going to do a turnaround. I suspect that, you know, they did with New York. I suspect that that's coming with Beverly Hills.

[Nick]

Oh, like, revamp.

[Elizabeth]

A whole recast.

[Garcelle]

I feel like it. I mean, I. I don't like. I like the ladies, you know, when they switched up New York. I mean, shout out to the new cast. I also enjoy the new show, but I literally wanted to see those ladies deep, deep into their senility, keep going. Like, I didn't want that to die. I wanted to watch that forever. Like, there will never be another Ramona singer.

[Jax]

No, there will not.

[Elizabeth]

Hopefully it did come out that the former View co host Debbie Metanopoulos is in talks for casting on Real Housewives with Beverly Hills after Garcelle's departure. So she said that she's currently in talks with them. So I'm like, interesting.

[Nick]

Can we bring up a picture of her? It doesn't ring a bell. Oh, okay. She was on the View. She looks like a housewife.

[Jax]

She was on mtv.

[Nick]

I cosign. I just want. I just hope Beauzamont is back. If they do a revamp, I Just.

[Garcelle]

She looks like good drama.

[Elizabeth]

Right. And she knows the tea on people, so I feel like she's like, no, I know you.

[Jax]

She'll be like, camille part two, too, right?

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Oh, yeah. Camille.

[Elizabeth]

Just dropping hints and little, like, bombs.

[Garcelle]

But, yeah. I don't know. We'll. We'll see. Yeah. Some of the story lines are getting a little, I don't know. You know, the Erica Jane season was, like, amazing.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Like, that was great. Although I will say she's had the best, I think, come around. Like, I love her story because she was pretty brutalized that season, and they were going in on her like she was bait. And I think, like, she's like, one of my favorite people now.

[Elizabeth]

Yeah. I like the way that she's able to articulate herself now versus, like, getting so angry and. And, yes, reactive now. She's just kind of like, no, you said this. It bothers me. Why are you acting like we have a problem? We've squashed it.

[Garcelle]

Right.

[Elizabeth]

I'm just letting you know, you kick women when they're at their lowest.

[Garcelle]

And she's not wrong.

[Elizabeth]

And she's not wrong.

[Nick]

Definitely not wrong about that. You know, the only thing. The only thing that Erica's wrong about is the earrings.

[Garcelle]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true.

[Nick]

A hard time letting that one go. But other than that, she's. She's really. Yeah. Her comeback is great. And I think we mentioned this a few weeks ago to your point, Daniela, it's just like when they say it's like once you fly first class, it's hard to go back. Well, Erica's whole life was first class. You know, opulence. Just her whole life was designer and, you know, say what you want. Like, it's incredibly hard for people to go backwards. You know, a lot of very successful, very wealthy people have done, you know, have made some horrible decisions about their lives, and their lives literally ended when they lost it all. And to her credit, she showed a lot of resiliency, picked herself back up. She started over. Yeah. She still a lot going for her as a housewife and things like that. But, like, it's credit to her for not giving up, because a lot of people have walked away, experienced what she's experienced, and literally gave up.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

How are you feeling about the Valley?

[Garcelle]

The millennial nightmare that is the Valley? The walls are melting. Last night, my. So the premiere for my movie is tonight. So I have some family that are in town, and my aunt was watching. She's never seen anything. She's never seen Vanderbilt she does not know this world. And she's like, watching 10 minutes and she's like, why are we watching this show with all these up people?

[Dorit]

Because it gets your mind off your own problems.

[Garcelle]

I just. I don't even. So. So many thoughts, but, man, it just. It came out with a bang. This is messy.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. From. From the jump. I mean, the thing I laughed most about was when they were introing Jesse and Michelle and they were both kind of talking about their new partners and what they liked about their new partners. And I was like, you guys just sound like two people who are reminiscing what it. To meet each other when you first started dating. You know, it's just like, well, he does this, and then. Then she does that. And it's like, yeah, I'm sure you guys did that with each other, like, 15 years ago. And, like, the way they talk about is if they finally are appreciated and they finally discovered someone who sees them for who they are. And it's just like, this is because, like, you haven't hated each other yet. You know, it was just like.

[Garcelle]

Right.

[Nick]

Nothing about what they were describing, you know, was like. Like, you know, they probably had in their relationship, but it was just, like, hilarious to see the way they talked about each other without, like, just acting like these new people in their lives are the kind of, like they're, you know, their saviors in relationships.

[Garcelle]

Yeah. There's a lack of emotional maturity there, I think, on both parts. The thing that kind of bugged me about that storyline, which is so funny because after watching the first season, my boyfriend kept being like, God, she's so annoying. She's so annoying. She sucks. She sucks. And then this season, I told him. I was like, you know, I know that she annoys you. I was like, but he. And. And she's not. Obviously, she's not perfect, but he's really making this toxic.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Garcelle]

The toxicity is coming from. From him. And it's like, you love your kids so much, but if you love the child so much and you want what's best for your child, then what the are you both doing?

[Nick]

No, I mean, it's.

[Garcelle]

Get your.

[Nick]

I almost feel guilty watching this show.

[Daniela]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And enjoying it so much, especially as a relatively new parent, because it's like, it really doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong between Jesse and Michelle. It's like you're both kind of terrible parents to just, like, put your childhood trauma on display as you guys openly admit your pettiness about each Other while not even be able to just look at your child and say, we can hate each other all we want, but, like, let's just be a team when it comes to our. Our kid. And it. It is a. It's tough to watch this level of toxicity, like, kind of just be accepted while we're watching. It is, like, normal behavior. And it's just like, there's a. There's a real kid in this equation that's like. Like, it feels almost wrong to allow.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Nick]

To be filmed in a weird way.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, it. It just feels so. It feels unhealthy. I hope that they are both in therapy and. And I've seen this, you know, in real life where the parents feel they have this vindictive sense about each other and they're so resentful and angry, and it's like, how long are you gonna be angry? Like, Jesse, how long are you gonna be pissed off? Like, you need to, like, put the shit aside. But not until season four of the Valley.

[Nick]

I mean, if. If there's a silver lining, it's just like, maybe they're just showing. Maybe they're putting a lens to all the parents who sadly have to deal with divorce. Because I'm sure, you know, when you're going through it, you really don't see yourself. You don't. You don't see how you're acting. You just. You're. You feel like a victim to your partner and things like that. So I don't know, may. Maybe there is a silver lining for people who. Going through this to be like, God, I hope we're not like. Like that, you know, and things like that. But I would have. I would have thought that Jesse being relative to being new to reality tv, you know, I. I was pretty critical of him season one, you know, just because of how he treated Michelle or just how he talked about being a dad. He. He really came across as, like, often incredibly petty and douchey. And I just wondered if maybe he would, like, watch it back. Whether it was, you know, the edit or, you know, say what you want, but it's just like, so far, episode one, he.

[Garcelle]

He.

[Nick]

I'm. I'm not seeing a ton of growth from Jesse. I'm not seeing a guy who just, like, wants to, like, just be less douchey looking or just wants to be thought of as, like, a dad who gives a shit or at least an apologetic ex husband. Because, like, yeah, I mean, Michelle, maybe she left you. Maybe. Maybe there's some things of some overlapping, but like, yeah, he he did give her a lot of reasons to, like, want to leave that relationship. He was a petty guy. He wasn't supportive. He was often mean. It's just like, no one could watch him on season one and be like, yeah, that. That's. That's who I want to be in a relationship with. You would think he would want to learn. And the one good thing about these, like, ensemble cast, that comeback for recurring season after recurring season is if, like, usually if you're willing to learn and you get a bad edit or a bad beat on one season, you have a chance for, like, a bounce back or a redemption, you know? And so I'm kind of hoping that for Jesse, but so far, like, like, I'm not holding my breath.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth]

It also sucks that it's playing out on tv and then, like, obviously that footage will be there forever, so it's not preventing Isabella from seeing anything. But I'm, like, kind of hoping or like, I wonder if it's better that it is playing out on television because then they're trying to, like, win the divorce through the audience versus, like, usually you hear it being put on the kid, right? Where it's like, your dad does this, or your dad, your mom's a terrible person or whatever. Where it's like, instead they're trying to convince us, right? Like, who's the better parent versus, like, an Isabella seems fine.

[Garcelle]

Right?

[Elizabeth]

As far as I know. But I'm just like.

[Kristen]

It just.

[Elizabeth]

It's sad that this will forever be there, but I'm just, like, hoping that it's like, the toxicity is being aimed at us versus, like, keeping it in the family.

[Garcelle]

Or maybe that's part of the storyline.

[Kristen]

Right.

[Garcelle]

Maybe it starts off just like a total show, and then people grow up. By the end, all the Jack stuff is pretty dark. It's pretty like, hey, talk about Jax.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

Her being like, I don't want to be in the same. The same room with him without someone else present. Like, he's not allowed to be alone with my child. That's crazy.

[Garcelle]

Is he taking testosterone because he needs to chill.

[Nick]

Yeah. Well, no one's been a bigger Jax critic than me. I will say, though, this is not in any way defense of Jax, but it's just. It is more of a criticism of Britney, and it's similar to the Jesse and Michelle of it all. It's like she says all these things about Jax. She's been very critical of him online on the Internet. She's saying these very, like, scary accusations about Jax, but yet she is Leveraging this situation for her, it's like a. And I get it, you're a reality TV star, so, like, you know, get your bag. But it's like, at what point is this real? And show aside, like, is it just healthy for her to remove herself and her child from this incredibly toxic environment? You know, like, at one point do we ask that question? You know, because it's like, you know, one thing we know about Jax, it's like he's never going to learn. You know, he has never learned. He's never shown any growth. Like, honestly, that scene when he walks into the bar, it really just like, reminded me, like, in adult life, there are some. There. There are winners and losers, you know, And I don't mean, like, you know, even winners lose. Like, I mean, as an actor, right, you have not gotten more jobs than you've got gotten. Right? And to me, being a winner in life, in adult life is you fail and you're resilient, and you figure out a way to overcome obstacles, you know, and you're gonna fail a bunch of times. And then the losers are the people in adult life who just constantly victimize themselves, blame others for their problems. It's always someone else. And, like, when Jax walked into that bar and his is all his buddies, I'm like, this is a group of men who are just. They're just losers, you know? Like, everything else is someone else's fault. Like, that's just like the vibe I get with Jax and his buddies, and it's just like, he's just never gonna learn.

[Elizabeth]

And they're just so petty. Apparently, it just came in that the beer cheese is off the menu at Jax's for the Valley.

[Garcelle]

Beer cheese?

[Elizabeth]

Yeah, Mal's beer cheese. Is beer cheese crossed off on all of the menus.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Garcelle]

Yeah. Go Jacks. Go Jacks. That's all I do is I quote Brittany or as I'm watching, you know, and also Hugh, I think that when he went to get help, which I feel weird talking about someone's mental health, but. But I mean, they're all very public people, so I guess it's fair game, and here we are. But I think he's undiagnosed bipolar. That's a pretty serious. Was that. Do I. Right. That's a pretty, you know, severe thing to go unchecked, unmedicated. So, you know, hopefully after that diagnosis, you know, maybe he can start to. To start to get treated. But that's also meant. Oh, that whole thing is brutal.

[Nick]

Yeah. Then that's also a tough One, because it's obviously a very serious illness that many people suffer from, and if you're not medicated, you know, you can put yourself and others in bad situations. And it's like, yeah, it's. It's very tough. Like, I guess as a fan to know. It's just like, am I watching someone with a mental health struggle right now who. Who really can't control what they're doing, you know? Or am I watching someone who. Who has made a history of making up stories and monetizing drama and knowing how to lean in? It's like. It's very confusing with Jax, right, where.

[Garcelle]

I have to deal with my mental health struggles in private. So you do get paid for one gets paid.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, it's. It's a real mind to, like, know, like, what's what. And he's shown to have, like, no moral compass, you know, so it's like. Like, this is a very serious thing we should respect and obviously going. We want to commend anyone who goes and tries to get help and gets treatment. But this is also a guy who has shown a willingness to have no shame in, like, using storylines like this to his own benefit. So it's like, well, which one is. You know, it's like, it's. It's very icky, you know, just watching Jax Taylor on tv.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, it is. And also him sort of pointing out that, oh, you're being seen with this guy, you're dating this guy. Isn't that so landed she. I can't believe she's doing that. And I'm like, oh, my God. Jax has been seen with everybody. I mean, there was a while. There was, like, every week it was like some different. Only fans looking girl walking with Jackson parking lot coming out of somewhere. And I was just like, this guy is a mess. I mean, maybe at this point, he knows, like, I am the problem. You know, I don't. I don't know, but I've been. Want me. I've been watching him for years. Like, I don't think he's 45. That's a little too old, B. You know what I mean? Like, he's. I mean, he's already grown up.

[Nick]

Are you excited about some of the Vanderpump people making cameos on the Valley, or are you just more like, move on?

[Garcelle]

Okay, I'm gonna tread lightly here because I am a devout Vander Pumpette, pumpy, pump, pumple. I've been watching them for years. I watched them since close to the beginning season, so I feel like I've. I've been with these people also. True story. I hung out with. With Ariana and Tom Sandoval at my Jurassic Dominion premiere, which was crazy because that was like a mutual beneficial. Like, they were clinging to us because, like, we were in the movie. But I was like, oh, my God, they're here. Like, come on, you have to hang out with them. Which was amazing. And then I unfollowed Tom Sandoval after the Ariana stuff happened, because it was team Ariana. But I still have love for Sandal, even though he's, you know, he's Sandoval. Wait, what the. What were we talking about again?

[Dorit]

Them going on to.

[Garcelle]

So I've been watching it forever. So what I'm about to say is, is the. These are people who I. I love and enjoy. However, if I'm just being perfectly honest, when I saw that Sheena and Lala, look, they need a paycheck, and they are mothers, and so that comes first and foremost. Right? People need a paycheck. However, when I heard that they were joining the Valley, I was a teeny bit bummed. I still want to see them. I just didn't want to see them in the Valley world. Like, I just wanted. I feel like these universes need to be separated a little bit, but it's all getting really marvel with each other. So it's like everyone's got to make their cameo.

[Nick]

I see what you're saying, but I do, I do in some ways, like, that this original cast of the Valley is being pushed in a way to, like, deliver good content. Yeah. Because it's like, you know, I feel like this is a concept that, you know, for all his faults, like, it sounds like Jax Taylor was the brainchild behind this concept and kind of got a lot of. It was a pretty good idea. Yeah, I think so. And they just kind of put it together and it was a great idea. Right. Like, especially after Vanderpump, it's like, we know it. They're. They're not aspiring actors and. And singers and performers anymore. They're just. They're just reality TV stars, you know, and it kind of like, like the whole plot of the. The main premise of the show kind of lost itself. And after a few seasons of Vanderpump Pump or the Valley, it's very much like, you know, parents, you know, trying to make, you know, live in California. Just like, even. Just Danny talking about, like, the cost of living in Los Angeles versus, like, moving out to the suburbs. These, like, very relatable, like, midlife conversations that, you know. So I love the premise, but, like, I don't know if this original cast is enough. Like, I don't know if Janet's, like, here to stay for me for the Valley, you know, I don't know. Like, and I do.

[Garcelle]

Wait, which one's Janet?

[Elizabeth]

It the one that gave the fake apology or the bad.

[Garcelle]

Okay, the one who's Kristen husband walks around with no wedding ring. Yep. Gotcha.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Garcelle]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

I don't know if Janet's here to stay. So, like, I do like that they're, you know, at least nothing else. Bringing in people to, like, keep it fresh, challenge these people to, like, you know, give more of themselves. Because, like, the premise of the Valley, I think, is excellent. You know, and the storylines, I wonder how much we can get out of these characters, like, going into, like, a third or fourth season. Sierra, were there any other storylines that we missed, Bravo wise, that we wanted.

[Elizabeth]

To run through storylines or headlines storylines? I was gonna ask how you guys felt about Janet's apology to Kristin.

[Garcelle]

That was a kind of lame apology.

[Elizabeth]

Well, she called Zach. She said, sorry I dragged you in with the demonic behavior. And it was very much like a backhanded, like, I'm not taking responsibility. It's not your fault that you're friends with a terrible person.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth]

And it's just like, now I wish.

[Garcelle]

Reality TV stars just learned a little more about accountability. And, you know, when Jesse actually made that apology to Kristen, I was like, yeah, I really enjoyed that. That was so, like, no strings attached, no, like, butt or, you know, I mean, you did kind of like, was none of that. I thought that was like a clean, nice apology. I. Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, they always say there's smoke, there's fire. Like, with Kristen, you might get like, an exacerbated story. She might exaggerate. But, like, you know, if she's talking about some smoke, there's at least a little bit of a flicker of a flame. Like, she's not making stuff up. You know what I'm saying? Like, you. You can't.

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I would never discredit Kristen. You know, she. She is dynamic and expressive and sometimes, you know, says things are a little out of pocket, but she's not a liar.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, that's true. She's a lot of things, but that's not one of them. Like, I can't think of a lot of times where she just straight up made something up.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth]

No, no. Do you remember Joe? Joe and Schwartz?

[Nick]

Joe.

[Jax]

My gosh.

[Elizabeth]

Joe. My gosh. She was the one that was kind of dating Schwartz on and off.

[Garcelle]

Oh, yes. Yeah. The blonde girl.

[Kristen]

Yes.

[Elizabeth]

Still in love with Schwartz. Well, it came out that Schwartz is recently single and she did a Q and A answering questions about him and saying that she had a lack of closure. But she's still blocked by him, but thinks that their relationship.

[Garcelle]

Why did he block her?

[Elizabeth]

She posted a like tribute to him almost in their relationship while he was in this new relationship with his girlfriend. Being like, it's been a year but like, I still have love for this person. We're talking like a novel with like photos and memories and whatnot. And so he had to block her because he was telling her like, respect my relationship.

[Garcelle]

Right.

[Elizabeth]

Um, but yeah, now she's back on social media answering questions about him.

[Garcelle]

I was gonna say there's other men.

[Elizabeth]

You know what I mean?

[Garcelle]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth]

It's a weird obsession.

[Garcelle]

You're young, white and hot. Like the world's your oyster. Just go find another guy. It's easy. Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean it's. Ask why, why, why he blocked her because like it's been three years and she's still talking about him. It's like it's, it's kind of giving obsessive in a weird way.

[Garcelle]

Or she thinks that Schwartz is her career path and maybe that, yeah, maybe it's a financial thing. Like deep down that's why she keeps sort of chasing that can.

[Jax]

Maybe she can be a friend of a friend of the Valley.

[Garcelle]

Right.

[Nick]

I have a soft spot for sports. I feel like his, his, his, his big weakness is, is is trying to like help the losers, you know? Like, I, I think he's like, Schwartz has fallen into success his whole life. He's never really had a job. He's this great looking guy who was a male model and then fell into this TV show. And he has just way too much empathy for his guy friends who have never wanted to grow up. And like at some point that's a little bit of his responsibility. But he does seem to like have a pretty good head on his shoulders and is a thoughtful, considerate guy. He just like can never let go of the people who seem to be bringing him down.

[Garcelle]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean they're all like apex, Peter Pan people, like hardcore. But I will, I do agree with you. I think that at the, at the heart of, of Schwartz is always rooting for the underdog and, and, and, and the villainize. And I think deep, deep, deep down, I mean, I think that, that he's a good guy. It seems like he's a good Guy.

[Nick]

Yeah, we.

[Garcelle]

Sandal is crazy. Psycho Sandal is.

[Nick]

He's. He's doing the best he can. That's what I think about Sandoval. I. You know, I. Yeah, you know, I got. I've got. You know, he's certainly imperfect. He's got a unique moral compass. But like, I. I do think you can do far worse as a friend with Tom.

[Garcelle]

They all have pages in the dsm.

[Nick]

I just think with Tom, he's so tr. He is who he is. Like, he. He won't surprise you if you just pay attention. You know what I'm saying? So it's like he's very clear on what you can count on him for and what you can't. And for me, like, I don't mind people like that, you know, I just. I know what not to ask of Tom Sandoval, you know? Yeah, it's the people who oversell what you can expect of them and make you trust them and yada, yada. But anyways, I don't need to keep defending Tom Sandoval. Daniela, this has been so much fun. Please come back anytime you want to talk reality TV or Bravo with us. But more importantly, congratulations on the accountant. To everyone listening, take your friends, take your boyfriend, take them to the movies. It's so good. It's a lot of fun for the ladies out there. You're going to love it. And your boyfriend or husband or partner, he will be obsessed that you brought him to this movie. So make sure you check it out. It's so good. Daniela, you're fantastic in it. And I can't say enough of great things about the film and your performance in it.

[Garcelle]

Yay. Thank you all for having me. I really appreciate it. This is so therapeutic. I just love talking about Bravo stuff.

[Nick]

Oh, any. Anytime you need to scratch that itch, we are here for you. Can you let us, our audience, know where they can follow you or find you in the case they want to follow more of what you're doing?

[Garcelle]

Yes. My Instagram is not Daniella Pineda and my X account is nothing because I am not on that platform anymore. So not Daniella Pineda on Instagram.

[Nick]

All right, well, be sure to follow her there. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to both Daniella and Elizabeth, our guests this episode. We will see you back on Monday. Bye. Foreign is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states with T Mobile.

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