E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out

Summary

Summary of "E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out"

The Viall Files with Nick Viall, Episode E921, Released April 22, 2025

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1. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills: Garcelle's Departure

The episode kicks off with an in-depth discussion about Garcelle Beauvais' recent exit from "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" (RHOA). The hosts analyze the reasons behind her departure, focusing on her decision to unfollow fellow cast members on social media.

• [35:01] Crystal Minkoff: "I do not like a passive aggressive housewife. Garcelle exhibited behavior that didn't align with the dynamic she was in."

The conversation delves into Garcelle's challenges in forming genuine relationships on the show and whether her actions were influenced by production pressures or personal struggles.

• [37:23] Cynthia Bailey: "I feel this is not about just one person; it's about how she was treated throughout the show."

2. Love Island USA Spin-Off

Transitioning to reality TV spin-offs, the hosts discuss the upcoming "Love Island USA" spin-off set to premiere on Peacock.

• [25:49] Cynthia Bailey: "The next season of Love Island USA is going to be messy. The pressure will make sure it’s not over the top."

Key points include casting changes, with notable absences like Rob Fox and Cordell, and speculations on potential drama and dynamics within the new cast.

3. Summer House Insights

Guest Crystal Minkoff joins the conversation to provide insights into "Summer House", another popular Bravo series. They critique recent episodes, focusing on interpersonal conflicts among cast members.

• [28:31] Crystal Minkoff: "Jesse is a terrorist. He creates fights to have the upper hand."

The discussion highlights toxic relationships, manipulation tactics, and the overall atmosphere of competition within the Summer House environment.

4. Film Discussions: "A Simple Favor" & "Ingrid Goes West"

The hosts shift gears to discuss recent films, offering their takes on "A Simple Favor" and "Ingrid Goes West".

• [09:35] Nick Viall: "I was taken aback by the brother-sister relationship depicted in the movie. It's disturbing how it was portrayed as acceptable."

They express surprise and discomfort over the incestuous themes in "A Simple Favor" and liken "Ingrid Goes West" to the psychological intricacies of "Game of Thrones," particularly regarding influencer culture.

5. Roblox Lawsuit Over Dance Emote

A significant portion of the conversation centers around the creator of the "Apple Dance" suing Roblox for unauthorized use of his dance as an in-game emote.

• [06:12] Cynthia Bailey: "Roblox has a responsibility to protect creators. This lawsuit is a step towards that."

The hosts explore the implications of intellectual property rights in virtual platforms, discussing how user-generated content can lead to legal challenges when rights are infringed.

6. Personal Stories and Anniversaries

Nick and Cynthia share personal anecdotes about balancing parenthood and maintaining their relationship, emphasizing the importance of reliable childcare solutions.

• [15:00] Cynthia Bailey: "After two miscarriages, waiting for my period was traumatic. But discussing it openly has been healing."

Cynthia opens up about her emotional journey post-miscarriage, highlighting the significance of communication and support in overcoming personal challenges.

7. Social Media and Criticism

The hosts and guests delve into the impact of social media on public perception, particularly how it influences the scrutiny and shaming of personal choices made by reality TV stars.

• [05:24] Kenya Moore: "Some people shame a mom for bringing her daughter to Coachella, but it's about finding safe and suitable environments."

They discuss the double-edged sword of social media visibility, where personal lives are both amplified and critiqued, affecting the mental well-being of the individuals involved.

8. Humble Brag Segment

In the Humble Brag segment, Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey provide a deeper dive into the dynamics of RHOA and "Summer House." They critique specific cast members and elaborate on the complexities of maintaining friendships in a competitive reality TV setting.

• [43:34] Crystal Minkoff: "Garcelle expecting others to back her up was misplaced. Grace is reserved for those who deserve it."

The segment highlights issues like passive aggression, lack of mutual support, and the challenges of fostering authentic relationships amidst on-screen drama.

9. Upcoming Releases and Events

The hosts tease future episodes and events, including discussions with Alex Baskin about "The Vanderpump Rules" and upcoming Hulu events like "Got to Get Out."

• [125:00] Rob: "We went to Chump Con, Jeff Lewis's fan event in Vegas. It was wild but fun."

They encourage listeners to stay tuned for more insights and exclusive content related to their favorite reality TV shows.

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Notable Quotes:

• [35:01] Crystal Minkoff: "I do not like a passive aggressive housewife."
• [09:35] Nick Viall: "I was taken aback by the brother-sister relationship depicted in the movie."
• [43:34] Crystal Minkoff: "Garcelle expecting others to back her up was misplaced."

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Conclusions:

Episode E921 of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive exploration of current happenings in the reality TV landscape, blending critical analysis with personal anecdotes. The hosts and guests provide insightful commentary on cast dynamics, legal battles in virtual platforms, and the pervasive influence of social media on personal lives. Through segments like Humble Brag and discussions on shows like RHOA and Love Island USA, the episode underscores the intricate balance between maintaining authenticity and navigating the manufactured drama of reality television.

Listeners gain a nuanced understanding of the behind-the-scenes complexities, the emotional toll of public scrutiny, and the ever-evolving nature of reality TV entertainment. The integration of notable quotes and timestamped references further enriches the discussion, making it an engaging and informative summary for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Crystal Minkoff]

You're craz.

[Nick Viall]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files reality Recap edition. I am your host, Nick, and boy, is it good to be with you all back in the LA studio.

[Natalie]

We're happy to see you guys.

[Nick Viall]

Were we missed?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It is nice talking to you face to face.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah. Nice touching you.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So nice talking to you face to face.

[Nick Viall]

Zoom isn't zoom. Dates aren't the same.

[Natalie]

It's just not the same same. You know, it is. It is.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's not the same because there's a little bit of a lag, you know, with zoom. So it's like.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And I. Oh, no, go.

[Natalie]

Your turn.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, now you guys don't notice that on your end because we clean it up.

[Natalie]

Oh, we kind of notice it because all of a sudden it's like, start talking and you go, sure.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it is good to be with you all. Coachella is finally in the books. Weekend two. For those of you are not familiar with Coachella, there's a lot. Yeah, I think there's a lot of people not familiar with Coachella.

[Emeril]

For those of you who live peaceful, normal lives.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

For those of you who are under a rock.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I feel like before I ever went to Coachella, I knew what it was because I was on social media.

[Nick Viall]

Because you were in your formative years as a teen.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Okay.

[Natalie]

I don't know how to dig that.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't learn about Coachella.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Like, what I didn't learn.

[Nick Viall]

I didn't learn about Coachella until I was, like, in my early 30s.

[Cynthia Bailey]

That's because it just started.

[Emeril]

Yeah, no, I think it started. Well, Coachella's been around for a long time, but Coachella started actually as like more of like a festival. A punk festival.

[Kenya Moore]

It was like.

[Emeril]

Yeah, it was cool. And now it's Coachella.

[Natalie]

October 9th and 10th of 1999. And it was like Beck, Rage against the Machine, Tool, Underworld, Art of Noise. Like, it's. It was.

[Nick Viall]

It was interesting.

[Natalie]

A rock show.

[Nick Viall]

Well. Well, A mom of a five year old shuts down. Did she shut down?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Critics, they always do.

[Natalie]

They slam.

[Nick Viall]

They slam.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Well, slam.

[Nick Viall]

Slam, you know, shut down, like, is basically saying she won.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I was about to say, I feel like you rarely shut down a critic. Yeah.

[Emeril]

Even when you slam, they can slam you, right?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, they can definitely slam you back. We've been accused of slamming people online constantly, but we've never been Shutting people down.

[Emeril]

Yeah, no, yeah, take that note.

[Nick Viall]

How do you guys shut. Anyways, what does she say?

[Cynthia Bailey]

A mom of a five year old has been bringing her daughter to Coachella. She said this was her third year. She's gone to Coachella her third year or her. She says it's her daughter's third year going. Okay, her third Coachella. And. And people are calling her like a bad mom for taking her daughter to a festival, which I feel like is a weird thing to shame her about. It's like, who knows if she's probably not staying all night? Like, it's a date. It starts at what, like 10:00am it starts really early. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

She.

[Cynthia Bailey]

She said there's always good and bad. There was more good comments than bad.

[Kenya Moore]

But to me it's like, okay, have.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You ever been to Coachella? Do you know that it's all ages?

[Natalie]

She said, honestly, this is the only festival I would bring her to. I wouldn't bring her to a rave event, edc, no way. But I feel like Coachella is super safe. You don't see people doing drugs. She's never asked me, like, oh, what is that person doing? I don't see it myself, so I think it's safe.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah. It's like there's bathrooms, there's a lot of food options. There's a lot of room to like lay down if you want to like lay a blanket out, take a little snooze in the sun.

[Nick Viall]

Like, there are certainly worse environments to bring.

[Emeril]

Plus, this mother is a really big Benson Boone fan. So they're going to see Benson Boone. It's not like they're going to see Charli XCX and watching people do poppers. You know what I mean? Like Benson Boone. Like, she's not gonna be traumatized. No.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Did y'all see the creator?

[Emeril]

I love that about her.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Did y'all see the creator of the Apple dance is suing.

[Emeril]

She's suing Roblox over copyright.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Who's Roblox?

[Emeril]

Who's Roblox?

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's like that little, like, minecrafty game. All the little kids are playing on the phones.

[Phaedra Parks]

I love Roblox personally. I don't play it anymore, but I've played it.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. And she's suing the game.

[Emeril]

Did they put the. So in the game, users were able to purchase the dance as an emote for their virtual character. But her lawyers are led that the platform earned $123,000 from the featured edition.

[Nick Viall]

That seems like she should get some.

[Natalie]

I think that's fair.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Emeril]

As a platform powered by a community of creators, roblox takes the protection of intellectual property very seriously and is committed to protecting rights.

[Cynthia Bailey]

How crazy though, that she just like was on TikTok, made up a dance to this song and now it's the most like known dance.

[Emeril]

Yeah. Now Bowen Yang's doing it in the crowd.

[Nick Viall]

And Matt Rogers.

[Emeril]

And Matt Rogers and Celestia.

[Nick Viall]

It is crazy.

[Natalie]

Just doing. Putting anything on the Internet could turn into something like she just made a dance. How many people have made TikTok dances? Obviously have gone viral, make money off of that. But like to put it in a game that's worth that much, like no one would have thought.

[Nick Viall]

Take coffee.

[Natalie]

You wash your sheets like once a week. Why is that bad?

[Nick Viall]

I don't have to.

[Natalie]

Are we judging me?

[Cynthia Bailey]

How often are you washing your sheet?

[Nick Viall]

Me?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Nick doesn't wash. Before I had a.

[Nick Viall]

Lady in my life.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yes.

[Natalie]

You don't want to know.

[Nick Viall]

Twice a year.

[Natalie]

Stop it.

[Emeril]

Twice.

[Natalie]

Did you know Natalie?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Were you ever itchy? Natalie, did you know this? No.

[Natalie]

Before you slept.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I did not. Were you ever itchy?

[Nick Viall]

Maybe three times a year.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Itchy.

[Nick Viall]

No, I'm always itchy. Ew.

[Emeril]

Wow.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Disgusting.

[Nick Viall]

Yeast infection.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Drink some cranberry juice.

[Nick Viall]

Can men get yeast infections?

[Emeril]

Why are you asking me?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Do I look like a doctor?

[Cynthia Bailey]

They can because you can get a yeast infection elsewhere on your body.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, okay. Yeah, it's just.

[Natalie]

Isn't that easy.

[Nick Viall]

You look like you really want people to know this.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Guys, you can get a yeast infection in your mouth.

[Kenya Moore]

Just so you know.

[Cynthia Bailey]

This is disgusting. Why are we talking? Yeah.

[Natalie]

Good morning.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah. Yeah. What?

[Emeril]

Why did you bring that up?

[Nick Viall]

Because half. According to new polls, 49.9%. Not 50%. 49.9% of people wait at least one month before washing their bed sheets.

[Natalie]

I don't. I don't understand.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No, the. More like, if I think about it too much, like my pillowcase, I ha. I have to wash at least my pillowcase. If I can't get to like the full bed once a week, like I have to throw the pillowcases in face oil, dirt.

[Natalie]

Like just. No, my dog sleeps on my bed, so I definitely wash my sheets every week. Yeah, I woke up to vomit the other day, so yeah, I have to. Yeah, my dog threw up in bed at like 5 in the morning. It was the worst. No, I've been. I've been home alone. So I was like, fuck you. Of course I have to clean this up by myself.

[Nick Viall]

We have a jam packed episode lined up for you today, the ladies of Humble brag, Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey will be joining us later. And before that, Ray Sonny, stand up comedian, Emmy nominated TV writer and Bravo superfan is joining us as well to talk all things summer House, a little hills. Put a bow on that. I'm not sure if Ray is watching Atlanta Housewives, but I'm sure she seems to watch it all. So we're excited to have her on. But before we do, I watched a movie not too long ago.

[Natalie]

What movie did you watch?

[Nick Viall]

A Simple Favor, which I had never seen. Did you watch it by yourself? No, I watched it with my wife. Yeah, you were there.

[Cynthia Bailey]

He's like, I watched a movie. I'm like, but you have seen.

[Nick Viall]

Had you seen it? You had seen it, though. I felt like I was really unprepared for this. Yeah, obviously. The Simple Favor 2, is it out yet? No, like May 1st. It's coming out. Starring Anna Kendricks and Blake Lively. Who wrote it?

[Emeril]

Paul Feig, directed.

[Nick Viall]

Writer of Bridesmaids. Bridesmaids?

[Emeril]

Well, he didn't write Bridesmaids.

[Nick Viall]

He didn't write Bridesmaids.

[Emeril]

He directed.

[Nick Viall]

Did he write either of them?

[Emeril]

Miss you.

[Nick Viall]

Because the writing is the thing I'm most taken back questions about.

[Emeril]

Let's see. Who wrote A Simple Favor?

[Natalie]

Paul Feek directed one of the best episodes of the Office, the Dinner Party.

[Emeril]

Well, it's adapted from a novel, A Simple favorite Favor, and it was written by Jessica Scharzer.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Was the brother in the original novel? Because that was jarring for me.

[Emeril]

I don't know.

[Natalie]

I'm sorry.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Do you want to go back?

[Natalie]

The brother? Well, it's, you know, I haven't seen the movie.

[Nick Viall]

Have you not seen it? Have you seen it?

[Natalie]

I fell asleep through it.

[Emeril]

Spoiler alert. She fucks her stepbrother.

[Nick Viall]

It's a really good movie. And it's like, it got a little bit of a mystery, you know, thriller, like a whodunit. What's going on? It's. It's. And then in the sandwich, right in the middle of this movie. Yeah. Anna Kendrick's character, you find out her half brother, and maybe her kid might be her half brother.

[Emeril]

Doesn't sound like such a simple favor.

[Nick Viall]

And. And they just kind of accept it as like, not that weird in the movie.

[Emeril]

And it's like, I think it's supposed to be weird. She's supposed to not be a good person.

[Nick Viall]

Anna, Kendra's character.

[Emeril]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Natalie]

But she, like, comes off like mousy and like.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Likeable people. And then as the movie goes on and on. You're like, oh, my God, this person's atrocious.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I never want to meet this person in real life.

[Nick Viall]

It was. I was. It was disturbing. Is that. Was that what. What made the movie so popular? What it. Was it the Brother Fucker?

[Cynthia Bailey]

I honestly did not remember that at all. So it can't be.

[Natalie]

I thought it was Martinis.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I thought it was Blake Lively's Ties. Yeah, the Ties really did.

[Nick Viall]

It was Phil from Shit Creek.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Played the brother. The brother. The brother. The. The sister.

[Emeril]

Yeah, it kind of have.

[Nick Viall]

You romanticized it in a weird way.

[Emeril]

Wait. If you like the simple favor, I have another movie recommendation for you.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You didn't like it.

[Emeril]

Well, you'll like this one more.

[Natalie]

It's giving Game of Thrones.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, it was.

[Nick Viall]

I was just taking. I was like in the middle of being like, oh, this is a pretty good movie. I was like, oh. Oh my.

[Natalie]

Am I understanding this correct?

[Nick Viall]

I was so taken back.

[Emeril]

Similar. Similar movie without the incest. Ingrid Goes West. It's Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olsen. And Elizabeth Olsen is like very like 2000s influencer Coachella, like, everyone loves her. Aubrey Plaza is like a psycho who like stalks her and tries to like.

[Kenya Moore]

Take over her life.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's a really good.

[Rob]

It's really good.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's great. Love.

[Nick Viall]

It just. I was just alarmed that such a popular movie's main, like through line was the fact that she.

[Natalie]

And are we carrying the storyline through to the second one.

[Nick Viall]

Why couldn't he just be the stepbrother? It's still weird. It's still wrong.

[Emeril]

Because I think the half brother.

[Nick Viall]

Not.

[Emeril]

Because I think the half brother is more of a shock value. I think it's just. I think it's in there for shock value.

[Rob]

Gross.

[Emeril]

How John Waters like nasty stuff. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Anyways, we're about to celebrate our one year anniversary.

[Rob]

Wow, that came fast.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I know.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's this Sunday, guys.

[Nick Viall]

How do you feel? Like we did.

[Cynthia Bailey]

What are you gonna do? What are we gonna do? We're gonna go to Stagecoach for one night. I really. We want to see Lana Del Rey and Zach Bryan. I hate who he is as a person, but do love his music. Unfortunately, he does make good music. So I will be closing my eyes. Do like a song. So we're going to go to Stagecoach for one night and then we're going to have a little staycation at a little like spa retreat that I booked.

[Nick Viall]

Us for the weekend to recover not only from Stagecoach night one.

[Natalie]

Get that dust cleared out.

[Nick Viall]

Well, last we went To Stagecoach for the first time together as a couple two years ago. Missed it last year because of our wedding. Yeah, that whole thing. Yeah, that whole thing.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So now our wedding anniversary will be on Stagecoach every year. I didn't think about that.

[Natalie]

But you always have something to do.

[Cynthia Bailey]

That is true.

[Nick Viall]

The NFL draft is also this weekend and it is hosted by. It's at. It's in Green Bay.

[Emeril]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm so in love with my wife that I didn't. I didn't even ask if we could spend our. Our anniversary in Green Bay at the NFL draft.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I do feel like the Monday after our wedding, you were like, hey, so this is happening. And I was like, oh, that's what you want to do for our one year anniversary?

[Natalie]

Yep.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So. But yeah, we're gonna. He got me like a really extravagant gift. Didn't you?

[Nick Viall]

We got.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I thought you already got it.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No, I put those words again.

[Natalie]

And it's getting delivered tomorrow.

[Nick Viall]

We're doing a joint gift.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. Do we want to share?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Okay, we'll share next week.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

How do you feel?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Like we did for a year.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Us.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Listen, I think we've been through a lot and I think. Listen, I mean like the one year. Definitely, you know, it came with some challenges. I think we held on to each other and worked through them as best as we could. Obviously. Still working through some of them. But I mean, it's been the best year of my life, all things considered, so.

[Nick Viall]

I love you.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Oh, my God. Why are you looking at me like that? You don't agree?

[Nick Viall]

No, I agree.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Well, what do you think of our year?

[Nick Viall]

I'm really proud of us. Yeah. No, we've definitely been a lot lately. Through a lot lately. But it's gone by fast in the best possible way.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I know.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Kind of crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Rob]

Should we leave?

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's really romantic and you guys have accomplished a lot together separately. You raised a baby raising, but like she gonna be a toddler soon.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Gracie.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just thinking. Yeah, it went by fast.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It really did go by fast. Right.

[Rob]

It's. That's crazy.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I didn't even think about it until.

[Kenya Moore]

You just said it.

[Cynthia Bailey]

That it's already like been a year.

[Nick Viall]

We haven't even posted our full length wedding video, but decided to do it on our one year anniversary.

[Natalie]

We've been waiting.

[Kenya Moore]

Wait till you're gonna post it on.

[Nick Viall]

Our one year anniversary.

[Cynthia Bailey]

On our one year. So you'll see it Sunday. How long is it?

[Nick Viall]

I think it's like six minutes.

[Emeril]

Six.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Six or seven minutes. Yeah, you said full length. Full length.

[Nick Viall]

That's a six. You want a. We want an hour, 48 hour version.

[Natalie]

We want dialogue.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You said it was a full length video.

[Nick Viall]

What's our full.

[Emeril]

I was expecting like, I was thinking like BTS with the caterers, like them getting ready. Drama.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Well, we do have all of the.

[Nick Viall]

Footage if you want. If you want to make a movie.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, please feel free with all your free time. You have. We have the videography before your two year anniversary.

[Nick Viall]

We have the videographer six minute version of our wedding weekend, which was quite lovely. It's a good video.

[Natalie]

Have you guys watched it also?

[Kenya Moore]

It's the whole weekend.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's not just the wedding, it's like. It's the wedding weekend video. Yeah. It's the Friday night and Saturday night. We watched it when we first got it, several times.

[Rob]

Did you know?

[Cynthia Bailey]

And then we haven't watched it recently, but we should, we should circle back.

[Nick Viall]

But you sound like it's a bad thing.

[Natalie]

Did you crack?

[Cynthia Bailey]

I think I like got a little emotional. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of, just like everything we've gone through, I will say I started my period after having two miscarriages. That is the most jarring and like triggering thing to experience. No one warned me. No one was like, hey, just let you know. So I'm here to let you know that if you have had a miscarriage and it's hard because you're like waiting for your period because that like, you know, kind of resets your body and they tell you like, I mean, I've been told now I need to wait three months until we try again. So. Three periods. Yeah. So I finally got my first one since last year. And you're like so excited because you're like, oh, this is good. And then you start bleeding and you're like, oh my God. And it kind of takes you back to like experiencing that miscarriage because that was the last time that you TMI but like bled profusely out of your body. So it's quite jarring and triggering.

[Natalie]

But how are you handling it?

[Cynthia Bailey]

I think just trying to compartmentalize, which I'm strangely very good at. But I think, yeah, just trying to be like, this is not that. And this is the beginning. Yeah. So this is like the start of hopefully will be the next good chapter. But yeah, it's. That is. That is a tough. That's a tough one.

[Natalie]

I'm sorry that you're going through that, but I'm excited for what's to come for you in the Future.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I know. Us too. I just wanted to give anyone a heads up if you're in that boat I posted about on Instagram this morning. But if you're listening and you have experienced your miscarriages or you're waiting for your period, heads up warning, prepare yourself. It will be a little bit of a trigger, but I do think, like, people have asked, just, you know, kind of like how we're handling it. And I will say, like, talking about them is healthy. I think friends and family who, like, aren't afraid to, like, ask about it or talk about it, it kind of, like, keeps them alive in a sense. You know, it's. I think that's grief in all. In all types of ways. You know, everyone handles it differently. I don't know if this will work for you, but it works for me. Of, like, Chambliss will constantly, like, refer to the babies or, like, talk about them. And in, like, in a sense, it. It keeps them around and it keeps their, like, spirit alive and their memory alive and, like, versus people who are like, oh, I don't. Don't bring it up. It's like, triggering. Don't say anything. It's like, no, please, like, let's talk about it. Let's make it, like, part of our lives, because they are part of our lives, you know? So I don't know if. If maybe that will work for you. Maybe it won't, but I've appreciated that. I think.

[Nick Viall]

No, I love you.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I love you. Should we get into something a little bit lighthearted?

[Nick Viall]

The world still hates Katy Perry.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Listen, can you imagine being like, we're gonna go to space and it's gonna be so fucking cool. And then it's like the most laughable moment of, like, our history. Like, no one finds it empowering.

[Emeril]

No one is charmed.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No one. Like, that must be the most. Just, like, backhanded. Like, you think you're going into this, like, empowering and soup, and everyone's just like, you're a laughingstock.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I think the problem with it is the whole, like, reference to it being empowering. Like, sometimes, like, it's just a fun trip for the five people involved. You know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes it's not deeper. Like, when we try to make it deeper than it really is and try to put some sort of meaning behind it to justify, like, Jeff wants to send some people up to space, like, you know, and good for him. I don't really. I'm not one of those people who's always like, oh, My God, imagine what, you know, like, a bunch of privileged people are doing a bunch of privileged things constantly recently. I'm not worried. You know, it's just like, you know, shut your mouth if you want people to, like, save the world every time you do something for yourself. That being said, like, trying to make it a sort more deeper meaning and trying to call this event some sort of empowering moment for anyone.

[Rob]

Well, they should.

[Nick Viall]

Is this kind of silly? It's just like, hey, a bunch of celebrities got to go to space. Cool.

[Cynthia Bailey]

They should have highlighted the other women who were there who actually do have, like, backgrounds in this space.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

For the actual astronauts.

[Cynthia Bailey]

What were their names? But it's like, we should have been highlighting them. We should have been, like, Katy Perry and. And Lauren Sanchez, like, in their interviews, in their, like, promoting this. They should have been like. And we have these incredible women with us who, like, have studied this. Like, they should have been hyping these other women up instead of, like, trying to put them in the shadows. I felt like that probably could have changed their course of action a little bit.

[Emeril]

But I think that's the most representative thing of Katy Perry's brand of feminism, because all Katy Perry is doing of, like, when you're talking about her, when you're talking about this mission at large, of it being, like, the most shallow thing in the world, that's, like, representing women and women power. Like, that is Katy Perry's entire brand. So it makes complete sense for her to have, like, this whole thing of, I am a woman, I am doing this, I am bringing power, and then shutting out any actual conversation regarding what that means, who is actually doing the work, that kind of stuff.

[Phaedra Parks]

To Natalie's point, though, like, Amanda Nguyen, this is someone that I didn't know until after the battle backlash to Blue Origins, but she had a career in bioastronomics, and then she unfortunately experienced, like, essay and then became an advocate for it and actually drafted policies. And then she thought she left, like, the career of, like, astronomics, and then now she was on Blue Origin's trip to space. So it's like, we don't know about the people that, like, people are talking about her now because people are like, wait, we're all mad at Katie, but, like, look at the people that should have gone up, you know?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but. And that's only getting brought up after.

[Phaedra Parks]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, wait, what? Who are we forgetting?

[Phaedra Parks]

But her story is empowering.

[Nick Viall]

So it's like, why wasn't. Why wasn't that person ever mentioned well.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It'S because, like I said, no, like they. The, the. The women with the influence and the power behind them should have been talking about.

[Phaedra Parks]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

Because that would legitimize the actual mission.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

It's like, oh, no. There's actual females that are trained in astronomics to be able to go up there.

[Cynthia Bailey]

And I feel safer. We're just excited to go and I'm excited to wear glam. But we do have Amanda, who's with us, who is this brilliant and she's done this and she's done that. And let me talk about Amanda instead of being like, like, here's. I can't wait for my false lasses.

[Natalie]

Here's a daisy. I feel connected to love.

[Kenya Moore]

Let me.

[Emeril]

Let me shout out my set list.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Well, Wendy's is like a little.

[Nick Viall]

Well, Katy Perry's team is coming after Wendy's. Wendy's has been known for being a sassy tweeter for some time.

[Emeril]

100 beef with the beef.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I think Wendy's is only known to the people who are online.

[Rob]

Sure.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You know, the people who don't know who Coachella is don't know that Wendy is. Wendy's a sassy. They just know Wendy sells a good like chicken nug.

[Natalie]

A square burger nevertheless.

[Nick Viall]

But whether you've been paying attention to Wendy's Twitter account or not, they have been a little sassy in the tweets for some time now. But someone from Katy Perry's team does not appreciate her sassiness. They say it wasn't a harmless banter. This was a billion dollar brand using its platform to publicly demean a woman.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Because Wendy's tweeted that that they wanted to send Katy Perry back, which as a billion dollar corporation representing a billion dollar. It's definitely like, it was probably just.

[Nick Viall]

An intern tweeting that.

[Natalie]

This is what I wonder too is like. I'm like, did somebody get in trouble for this or were they congratulated for this?

[Emeril]

Congratulated. It's making news. We're talking about Wendy's right now. My favorite part of this was when.

[Nick Viall]

Great. A Frosty's.

[Emeril]

Everybody shout out to the Frosties.

[Natalie]

I guarantee the person that tweeted that was like the second. It's like when the boss calls, it's like, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Emeril]

My favorite part of this was when Katy Perry's quote unquote team. So Katy Perry mad that they said so. Katy Perry's team was like, what's Worse is the face of Wendy's is a woman which makes this decision not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic. Like, they really thought they got Little.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Miss Wendy, little Miss Redheaded Pigtail Wendy.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm like, ironic or painfully? What's the difference?

[Emeril]

It's not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic.

[Cynthia Bailey]

She also said telling a woman that she should be sent back is shameful bullying and reflects a troubling willingness to tear down. In today's society.

[Nick Viall]

We, amongst many of the other words we have watered down, misused and bullying is up there for me. I'm sorry. Just because you talk a little shit to somebody doesn't make it immediately bullying.

[Emeril]

Have you ever riffed?

[Nick Viall]

Christ.

[Kenya Moore]

God.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Have you ever had a banter?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Emeril]

You ever had fun?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Laugh or laugh?

[Nick Viall]

Have you ever laughed?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Goofed even? Truly. Well, Wendy's has responded.

[Nick Viall]

They have.

[Cynthia Bailey]

They responded and they did not apologize. They said, we always, always bring a little spice to our socials. But Wendy's has a ton of respect for Katy Perry and her out of this world. Talent.

[Natalie]

In parentheses.

[Emeril]

Justice for Kesha.

[Nick Viall]

Well, if you guys are missing the entire cast of Love Island USA from last summer, fear not, they will be back on Peacock this summer. Serena, Janae, Aaron, Miguel, Leah, Kayla, Connor, Kenny, Olivia and Kendall. Do you think Connor's on to replace Rob? Rob is the obviously most notable absentee from this list. Cordell is also not on the list, but Serena is, and it seems like there were some. Apparently Cordell's booked and busy, which is why he's not part of this cast. Rob is just, like, out. He's just like, I don't. I'm good.

[Cynthia Bailey]

He's doing music videos.

[Nick Viall]

Doing music videos.

[Natalie]

Catching snakes.

[Nick Viall]

Honestly, like, good for Rob.

[Natalie]

Like, he's made a brand get him.

[Nick Viall]

On or just like, he's sucked his guns. Like, he. A lot of people, like, talk about.

[Natalie]

What it sounded like. He said he sucked his guns.

[Nick Viall]

Sucked his guns.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It did sound that way.

[Nick Viall]

He stuck to his guns.

[Natalie]

Sorry about that.

[Nick Viall]

It's okay. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to watch this.

[Natalie]

I'm so excited about this.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Can you imagine the pressure that this upcoming season, Love island usa.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

That's why I think it's going to be so messy. I just hope it's not over the top in the sense of just like, feeling fake because everyone's trying to, like, have their, like, Leah one liner TikTok go viral.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Moment that we're like, none of you actually have real connections.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

But I feel like also seeing that they got a spin off because they haven't started filming.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Right.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's pretty, like, live kind of.

[Natalie]

She said it was a doc you follow? Which I don't really like.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No, no, I'm talking about this upcoming season of Love Island.

[Natalie]

Oh, no.

[Rob]

Yeah, they haven't started.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, they haven't started filming. So I feel like the contestants who are going now see that the previous contestants got a spin off. So they're like, let's fucking breathe.

[Nick Viall]

And sometimes, you know, there's a fine line in reality TV between, like, performing and just being yourself and just, like, living in the moment. I think this cast that did so well really just lived in the moment. They really just.

[Natalie]

And USA was like, flying under the radar for a while. So it's like, it wasn't performative in the way, like, it was just like, these are their genuine reactions. And then it just blew up because, like, some of them were just walking sound bites.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

But it's like, I just don't want people going in there trying to be like, okay, who can I fight with? What's my next overalls like? Comment.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well, I'm excited to watch it. Right.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Leah actually requested to not have certain producers.

[Nick Viall]

Do we know is this alleged or is this.

[Natalie]

No, she got in the mouth.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Leah requested that certain producers from Love Island USA not be on the spin off. She said I gave them specific names of who I wouldn't work with. Again, basically saying that I guess some producers kept her and Miguel away from each other to, like, keep the Leah and Rob of it all going. And she was like, I'm not down with that. I don't want them around. And they're like, you ask and you shall receive.

[Nick Viall]

There have not been. There hasn't been a single breakup.

[Natalie]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Yet from this cast, which is a little shocking.

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, there was right after.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I mean, like.

[Natalie]

Well, not Caylor. I'm addicted to Leah and Miguel's tiktoks. Like, they're so obsessed with each other and they're so funny. So I'm so excited just to, like, watch them the whole time.

[Phaedra Parks]

There is someone who posted a photo of Kaler and Liv arguing at an event they went to.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think it's real or do you think it's staged?

[Phaedra Parks]

Potentially staged, but at least we know there's Trouble in Paradise.

[Natalie]

The breakup of Blonde Moments.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Rob]

No.

[Natalie]

And Aaron.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wait.

[Natalie]

Taylor and Aaron under the same roof?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Again, the drama cannot wait.

[Nick Viall]

I predicting a bounce back for Aaron.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Honestly, I miss hearing Aaron. I do miss it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Emeril]

I like, wasn't even watching Love island at the time. But like, I still like it's in my brain cement.

[Cynthia Bailey]

That's good.

[Nick Viall]

All right, I think it's time to get into a little summer house. But before we do, let's bring up Ray Sonny to help us break it all down.

[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Nick Viall]

Allie is right. Wayfair has everything you need for any project or any room that you are looking to upgrade in your house. They truly have you covered. They can be your partner in whatever project you are looking to tackle this spring or summer. There is something for every style in every home, no matter your space or budget.

[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Cynthia Bailey]

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[Nick Viall]

Ray, how are you?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Hi, how are you?

[Nick Viall]

We're so good. Thanks for joining us.

[Crystal Minkoff]

No problem. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

[Nick Viall]

I was scrolling on Twitter X, I don't know what people are calling it these days. And I came, I came across your tweets talking all things Bravo and then I stalked her on Instagram and I'm like we need to get her on the show.

[Crystal Minkoff]

That's so nice. Thank you. I hope I didn't say anything too crazy.

[Nick Viall]

I just like that you were just like, you know, you really believed in your commentary. You know, I kind of forgot what you know. But you had some great takes and then obviously I look, you know, I looked at your background. You're a stand up comedian, you're a Emmy nominated TV writer. I was like, we need to get her on. Do you mind if we start with Summer House, or do you want to maybe put a bow on your thoughts on the Beverly Hills housewife season?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Let's start with Beverly Hills, since it's a little further in the distance.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. Let's start with Valley Hills. The big thing, I think right now, people are trying to, like, figure out the Garcelle exit of it all. This past week, we noticed that Garcelle unfollowed Sutton, which a lot of people were surprised by. What are your thoughts on the exit overall? Part of me is kind of thinking, you know, what if she wants to go? I'm happy for Garcelle. She seems like she's prioritizing her mental health. You know, I don't know. Like, I'm. I'm fine with her leaving, but do you have any other commentary on this situation?

[Crystal Minkoff]

I'm fine with her leaving as well. I thought she probably wasn't particularly well suited for reality tv. I think Garcelle exists in two separate spaces for me. Like, I know Garcelle from, you know, coming to America, the R. Kelly. I know we don't. We don't talk about him anymore, but the R. Kelly download video series. Like, she's from the Jamie Foxx show. There's Garcelle over there, and then there's Garcelle on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, who I. I think never really suited reality tv. She's just too normal a person. And I don't know, I think that she boxed herself in being so tight with Sutton, and she's just had some bad experiences on the show. But she also didn't really, like, make good relationships or inroads with the women either. And I'm surprised it took her this long to unfollow Sutton. You know, she's been being passive aggressive on Instagram since the reunion. I thought Sutton would have been the first one.

[Cynthia Bailey]

On the car ride home from the reunion, she unfollows Sutton, you know, but it took her this long.

[Crystal Minkoff]

When they didn't go get supper, she should have unfollowed her. I didn't. I didn't understand what. What that was about. Especially since, you know, my frustration with Garcelle. I, in general, do not like a passive aggressive housewife. Like, there's a certain kind of passive aggression. I like if it turns into an explosion. But she's just someone who is sometime conflict averse, but then sometimes isn't. And then when she's, like, confrontational, she's upset that people aren't nice to her back. It's a weird thing. I don't understand it. She don't know how to fight for tv. That's the thing. She doesn't know how to fight for tv. And I just don't like the way she approaches conflict on the show. So one of the things that she did that I found particularly passive aggressive was after the reunion, she posted something to the effect of, all skin folk ain't kinfolk. And that's a common saying in the black community where there's a person who works against everybody else. And the assumption was initially that it was talking about Anna Marie because Anna Marie was being weird like she always is on the Internet about Garcelle. And then the rumors and reports came out about some big conflict between her and Bose at the reunion, and we were gonna see why. And so the Internet in certain spaces was just trashing Bose as, like, a bad bl. Black person had sold Garcelle out all kinds of stuff. And Bose had been asked about it. She said, I'm gonna assume it's not about me unless Garcelle says it's about me. I think Garcelle, if it wasn't about Boz, should have explained that it wasn't about Bose, because that's a major accusation to put on somebody, especially someone we just met on TV this past year. And then when we got to the reunion, I didn't see anything that was particularly sellout worthy. So I. I was like, that's super whack. I thought that was super whack of Garza. So that was one. That passive aggression in that space was really, really disappointing for me. And then secondly, like, why are you sitting there pouting for nine hours? And then don't take the picture, but you do the toast. That didn't make any sense to me. It just seemed. It was just kind of. I don't know. It felt more like a tantrum than anything. That felt like standing on.

[Nick Viall]

On.

[Crystal Minkoff]

On your business or. Or making a statement. It just felt silly because you. You stayed the nine hours. What would have been a picture.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, that's. I felt like the walkout was kind of performative and staged on Garcelle's end because to your point, like, yeah, she did, like, grab the drink. She cheers with everyone. She, like, waited for Andy to be like, let's take the photo. And then she gathers up her dress and says, no, I'm out, and walks off. It's like if you were done, you just walk off as soon as they're like, all right, we're wr. You don't cheers with everyone and, like, wait for your moment.

[Nick Viall]

Like, she'd been fantasizing about the exit those nine hours while she wasn't. You know.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I don't know about that. I wouldn't say that it was staged. I think that because at the beginning of the taping, she did say that she wanted to take a photo. I felt like it. It was something that metaphorically meant something to her. Like, I think she did care about the picture. I just think it was corny to care about the picture and not anything else. But it did seem to matter to her, and I. The moment that broke her, which is, again, why I was shocked that it took her this long to unfollow. Sutton was when Andy's asking everybody, what's your surprise of the season? And Garcelle's like, oh, I met your mother. And I saw the dynamic between y'all, and it made me understand you more. And then Sutton just turns right around. She's like, erica and I, our best friend. I was like, wow, this girl has been leaving you hanging the whole time. Like, it's crazy. That I think, was the moment that broke her. I think there was, like, a slow build or whatever, but that was the moment that broke her. I guess my disappointment was in how she articulated what was happening to her throughout the nine hours that she was sitting there, because Andy was like, do you want to talk about why you're upset? And she was just like, no one smiled at me. I was like, girl, please.

[Cynthia Bailey]

She was like, no. They girl greeted me when everyone walked in, but since we've been here, no one has made eye contact with me and smiled.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And it was like, like, yeah, because you're accusing this woman of insurance fraud. I'm not going to smile at you if you accuse me of crimes on national television. Like, what are we talking about here? This is crazy.

[Nick Viall]

You make a good point when you said, like, I'm not sure if she ever, like, made a good housewife in the way that she fought her battles. And, like, now that you're saying that, I'm thinking because, like, Garcelle has such an illustrious background. You know, like, she really compared to a lot of her peers. Like, she. I mean, maybe even more so. Like, yeah, definitely more so than Denise Richards. Like, I know Denise Richards was a Bond girl, but, like, Garcelle had a long ass, like, really impressive career. And it's kind of almost like. Yeah, it's like, in a way, she feels like she's kind of above the drama in a way that almost like Kyle tries to be. But Kyle successfully kind of gets other people to have her back. And it just seems like Garcelle really wanted Sutton and maybe some of the other women to, like, be her friend. Yeah, Be her friend and kind of, like, have her back. And, like, she did. They were just never going to. In ways that she expected them. Them too.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But also, she didn't. I don't think she cultivated relationships in a way, you know, like this. This thing. We've been watching Housewives for, what, 17 years. Oh. Watching this stuff since college, you know, and you sort of start to see the formula. You sort of start to see how you're meant to maneuver, particularly on Beverly Hills. I mean, we've seen how much producer interference there is, you know, all the chess moves you have to. And Garcelle wasn't making them. And I guess she just didn't feel the need to create inroads in certain places. And I also think that her mistake was fan service to the detriment of her relationship to the people in the rooms that she would have to be in. I think that that was a big miscalculation on her part. I think that she's questioning Dorit's robbery because everybody on the Internet. It wasn't just four people, Dorit. It was 4 million people. Like, everybody is questioning that robbery. But I don't have to be in the room with Dorit, and I don't have to expect her to smile at me after we get through arguing about it. So it doesn't make sense for her as a human being who has to interact with these people face to face for however many months of filming, to just say things that we on the Internet callously might say and to forget how human beings interact with one another, which is that you. I can't indirectly accuse my husband of a crime and expect me to be your best friend. For her to have forgotten that part just seemed really crazy to me.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. No, I mean, it happens often, I think, with the Housewives, where sometimes they forget that there's a huge difference between any of them saying something on this show that is platformed to millions of people versus any of them reading, you know, whatever Reddit or blogs or various rumors that are just, like, being thrown around between fans, like, and fans are just, like, having fun being fans, not really knowing who these women are, not having access to their lives off camera. And so when one of these women who do have this incredible access have these friendships, you know, Know, these people's spouses repeat a rumor or platform, these theories. It is just night and day, you know? And the fact that Carcel doesn't see that is why. I mean, Garcelle is not the only one.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And even if she was going right, she insisted upon it being her feeling. She just felt that way. She just felt that way.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

They're entitled to not smile at you because they don't like how you felt. I don't understand this notion. I hate that. I hate the. Like, it's just my opinion. And I can think your opinion is dumb, and I can think your feelings are fucked up. Like, I just. I thought her rant at the end in the dressing room was so bizarre. She said, I took accountability, and no one had my back. And I'm like, why would anybody have your back? And that didn't look like taking accountability to me. It looked like you were like, well, that's how I felt. Okay. Sorry if that bothered you. Okay. And then I'm not gonna be your friend anymore. I don't understand what she was confused about.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, like, taking accountability sounded like her. Like, doubling down on her opinion.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yes, exactly. And I. I could see why she felt like people don't give her grace, but people give grace to people they like, I forgive people I want to keep around. I forgive people who are in my life, and I don't want them. I'm not gonna give grace to someone who, at every opportunity, seems combative with me. Which isn't to say that those women didn't start conflict with Garcelle. They absolutely have on multiple occasions. But again, grace is reserved for people that deserve grace. And the way to deserve grace is to be likable or worth keeping in my life. And I don't think Dorit is crying because Garcelle isn't coming back. Like, y'all hated each other. Why would there be grace? And then it sounded to me like, what should she saying? No one had my back. Like, she expected the other women in the group to say along with her that Dorit's robbery was staged. Because that means that you also want other people to get on TV and possibly slander their friends. Like, that's a weird expectation.

[Nick Viall]

And I honestly, I think that is the expectation, because I know that Garcelle's not the only person in this circle of friends who have talked about. About that rumor. And so. So she's heard. I don't even know who she's heard, but she's heard other women talk about it. And so, yeah, she Kind of expected, I. I guess at the reunion to say, well, if I know you think this too, I know you've talked about it, but there's a huge disconnect between, like, her not understanding why the other women wouldn't want to bring this up. Because it's. You're accusing someone of a crime, and it's different when you're just having drinks with a friend. Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It's weird because I don't understand why she didn't take the social cues throughout the season. Right. Like, whenever she seemed to try to bring it up on camera, Sutton didn't play along. So she should have anticipated that she wasn't gonna play along at the reunion either. Like, that just seemed pretty silly to me now, however, I think Sutton let her down tremendously in other ways. Like, Sutton should have gone after that woman when she left the set. Like, Sutton should have followed her friend and been like. But Sutton was sitting there being like, I don't know why she's so upset, like, kissing up to these women. And I. If I had watched that on television, I doubt Garcelle's even watched the reunion. Probably. I don't think she cares. But, like, if I saw something talking about me with the other girls like, that, it had been over. I don't know why she waited a week to unfollow.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe she just watched it over the weekend, and then that's what prompted the unfollow. You know, who knows? Props to Bose, though. I mean, I. I actually forgot about that line. But, like, I, you know, that's such a great response to an accusation to say. Unless I know for sure it's about me, I'm just going to assume it's not. Like, Bose never takes the bait, like, in a way that, like, most housewives do. She's been one of my favorite housewives, period. And just given, like, the track record or lack thereof of new Housewives, she's really had an All Star performance. Season one. It's really been incredible. Especially. Especially in Bev Hills, where I think it's even harder to be, like, a newbie.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

It's really been incredible.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I totally agree. I really like her. So I prefer my housewives. I don't want to say, like, forceful, but, like, I prefer my housewives powerful. And, like, you know, one of my favorite housewives ever. Although she is in deep trouble right now. But Kenya Moore is one of my favorite housewives ever. I fell in love with Kenya Moore because on her first season of Real Housewives of Atlanta, she came to the reunion. Literally every person on St. Age hated her. Every single person. And she defended herself and spoke well for herself, and she. She wasn't backed down. And I like that about Bose. You know, a lot of the time I've seen people online say, oh, they're just gonna do to Bose what they did to Garcelle. Dori is gonna turn on Bose. Kyle's gonna turn on Bose. I don't see that happening because Bose seems so sure of herself. I've never seen someone so self assured. I. I envy her self esteem. Like, her self esteem is like, through the roof.

[Nick Viall]

You know what I mean?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Like, I think even when she was on Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Fallon was like, complimenting her accolades. And she was like, correct.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And I was like, yes. I am not worried about her. I'm not worried about her at all. I don't think arena could run her off. I don't think a dorit or an Erica. Nobody can run that woman off. I think if she. She gets unlikable for whatever reason, it's going to be because of her. It's not going to be because somebody is strong enough to bully her. I don't see it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Do you want to get into a little Atlanta? Are you. Are you up to speed?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Of course.

[Nick Viall]

So, I mean, you mentioned that Kenya is one of your favorite housewives. Where do you see this whole situation with the revenge porn or not? I mean, I know we're not. I don't know if we're calling it revenge porn, because technically it's not. But, like, what are your thoughts? She, you know, she seems to be really, I don't know, in my opinion, still doubling and tripling down, like, and. And having kind of these semantical arguments. But, I mean, a lot of people in the Bravo fan base have Kenya's back. So where do you. Where do you see this whole situation?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Well, so if you know anything about Kenya, she loves a semantic and technical argument. She loves technicalities. She loves semantics. That's her. That's her M.O. so I'm not surprised she's done. I think she probably has realized she probably won't get her job back, which is why she's bugging out on the Internet. Because anyone who wanted to stay in Bravo's good graces wouldn't be doing what she's doing, which is, you know, doing YouTube videos and explaining her side, you know, doing her confessionals or, you know, retweeting negative posts about Cynthia or all of this. And, you know, she even commented that Andy and his podcast partner sounded ignorant talking about, like, incident. I think that she was wrong. I think Brit was wrong. And I think production handled Brit threatening Kenya very terribly. And also I think that Kenya was wrong. I think two things can be true at once. Like, Brit was an asshole, and Kenya was an asshole, too. And I think it's okay to say that Kenya did something wrong. I'm not the kind of person who thinks that just because someone has done something wrong to you, you get to retaliate any which way. I think that that is such a silly notion that a lot of the Bravo fandom seems to hold on to that if you step on my foot, I get to shoot your mom. That's not how it goes. You know, like, we have, like, there's self defense, and then self defense turns into murder very quickly. If you don't do things the certain way. You can't just walk down on someone who's already retreated and shoot them. And so I feel like Kenya walked down on Brit, who had retreated and shot her and is trying to be like, no, it was self defense. This lady showed up with flowers. Do I believe that apology was sincere? No. I think Brit was worried she'd lose her job and had heard things either through production or the other housewives on the cast and was like, oh, oh, shoot. I stepped in it and, you know, tried to make amends, but Kenya wasn't going to listen to that. I think Kenya felt abandoned by production. I don't think she was wrong in feeling that. I think she was disappointed in that. She realized they probably weren't going to take the kind of action she wanted them to, which is to fire Brit. And she bugged out. But she bugged out. She bugged out, and it's okay to say she bugged out. And I think how she acted was regrettable. I think it's so embarrassing that she did it at her own event. I just didn't understand that I would not make some loser that I'm trying to get fired off the show, the centerpiece of my grand opening. That's astonishing to me.

[Nick Viall]

No, it's crazy. Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And as a pageant queen, you would think she would know not to make her moment about somebody else, but she did it, and I'm disappointed. And there were moments within the last year before the show aired that made her look contrite. She seemed to take accountability on Tamron hall show. She seemed to acknowledge that what she had done was not right to do. And she's careful about saying she is wrong and takes Accountability. But then she defends herself in ways that make me believe that she. She hasn't fully sort of grasped the magnitude of what she actually did in that situation. And I'm a member of Team Twirl, so I understand what we're capable of. We feed our narcissist queen. We do. We are all like, team Twirl is like, kenya can do no wrong. And so I think that when she saw the online reaction to Brit making the threat and saw all the bloggers and tweets and things saying, Kenya was vindicated, she got it in her mind that she was vindicated. And, no, she was not vindicated. She was not vindicated. She did something wrong. Again, I think Britt should have been fired or reprimanded or suspended or there should have been some kind of mediation between them. But I don't think you get to bug out and show people naked at events because your boss didn't handle a situation well.

[Nick Viall]

Well said. What do you make of Drew's divorce and the court documents that she so desperately wants? Sealed.

[Cynthia Bailey]

That was crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I was at first. It makes sense, you know, you don't want your kids to eventually have to read this stuff. I'm like, okay, that tracks. But then she's like. Has no problem saying, well, no, because it's all this he did. And, like, she kind of starts naming.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Things, listing it off. Like, what's the difference?

[Nick Viall]

What are you trying to hide? And meanwhile, he's all like, unseal that. You know, it's just like, whoa. Like, where do you track with all that?

[Crystal Minkoff]

I love Drew because she is a bogus, delusional life. I love it so much. I don't know that we've ever heard Drew tell the truth. Is Drew even her real name? I love her so much. Ridiculous. I think that Drew and Ralph, their relationship is obviously toxic, but they are the same person, and they deserve each other. They're both lying. They're both like, yes, exactly. I'm telling the world that I want the record sealed, but I'm listing all the things that would go into. Like, that is absurd. Ralph is doing YouTube videos, so he's clearly still in the basement.

[Nick Viall]

And also, like, what, man? Living in a basement? Like, immediately, you're a loser.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Walking out of court, being like, I don't have to leave. That was great.

[Nick Viall]

The lack of respect that man has for himself is just really impressive.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I was like, oh, so he's a happy bum. He's a bum.

[Nick Viall]

An absolute bum. Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Because I thought it was standard that like, the parent who probably doesn't want to be the custodial parent leaves the house. And as we know, the way divorces tend to go, the mom holds onto the kid, the father leaves the home and pays child support. I don't understand why he's fighting.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Why is this judge, like, no, stay downstairs like that? Who is this judge? Are they even a real judge, or is it, like, one of their friends?

[Crystal Minkoff]

I was very confused about the judge. I would love. I wish they had given us some of the judge's reasoning.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Because I could not understand why. I was like, stay in that basement. And he said, yes, show everybody that y'all were cheating. I could not. And his lawyer seemed too ecstatic for me as well. I was like, are you this thrilled to be representing a bum? What are we doing here?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, we have a lot to obviously still talk about Atlanta, but I wanted to get into summer house with you before we let you go. A lot happened this past episode. I have empathy for Jesse.

[Cynthia Bailey]

He only because he had. He has cancer.

[Nick Viall]

I see that. It's the cancer pass. I don't like, you know, But I'm not. He's not right.

[Cynthia Bailey]

But this episode, I think, took it too far. The Jesse and Lexi I do think he is was love bombing her. I do think him being, like, mad at her for whatever she was doing with west at the club and then being like, it wasn't the same. It's different than what I did. And, like. But I love you so much. Let's make up. Let's have sex. Let's, like, spend the night together. Everything's fine.

[Nick Viall]

37 minutes. Watching an orgy is the same. And is Lexi, like, holding up your drunk friend? Well, in his words, like, putting his. Her hands on his shoulder or something, I don't know.

[Natalie]

Was the one that was giving her a massage, according to Jesse. And she's like, all I did was hold him up.

[Nick Viall]

Why is he mad at Lexi then?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Because he's toxic as fuck.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He's creating a fight so that he has the up.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Exactly.

[Crystal Minkoff]

That's all he's doing.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I've had a recent situation with a narcissist. And God Bless Lexi. She's 26. I am 37, and my narcissist got me at 36, and I still fell for that. You know, she's doing pretty good considering she hasn't hit 30 yet. Like, you know, she's a lot more mature than I would have been at that age. But Jesse, I think, is a terrorist. Like, there's no there's nothing. I see no upside to this guy. First of all, I don't trust a guy who smiles that much. There's no one that happy. There's nothing that joyful. No, no, I know the whole cancer thing. He's probably just happy to be alive and be here, and I get that. But you can't guy smiley me all through life. It's weird. I can't do it. I can't do it. And also, I think I'm a kink shamer. Listen, I'm gonna kink shame. I think it's weird to watch your new friend have a, have an orgy. I just think that that is weird. And I think it's even weirder to one of the women that's having a threesome with your friend put your toe in her mouth. If that's all you did, that story is still horrific.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Like, you're weird.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And like, I just think, like, that's disgusting. I don't know. I just. Look, look, have all the sex you want to have, but I just think that that's a weird kind of engagement with strangers on national TV when you just asked a girl to be exclusive or you're about to ask a girl to be exclusive. And I think not enough is made of that. I think it's a. Lexi is showing signs of fight, right? Like, she did try to argue with him. She did try to, but, you know, she, she's. He's, he's doing what he's doing. He's gaslighting. He's love bombing. Um, and so, like, she, she's gonna, she's gonna figure it out. From all of her interviews, it sounds like she has figured it out, so good for her. But that guy, he's, he's, he's that one.

[Nick Viall]

What do you, what do you make of Jesse and Ciara's friendship?

[Crystal Minkoff]

I think both of them are so whack. I think they are so whack. I, I, I think that Jesse, Jesse is the dirtbag, right? Like, let's just. That is the headline. Jesse Solomon is a dirtb bag. And then secondarily, I think Ciara's movie is so whack. Like, she's, she's being really corny. The fact is, at this point, she knows that they're exclusive even if he's not her boyfriend, right? So at the very least, she should be like, yo, bro, like, get off me. Your girl's sitting right there. Or something. Something that is, like, backing him up off her. If you don't respect your relationship's boundaries. I respect myself enough to not have me be the reason that you're not respect respecting your relationship's boundaries.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Do you feel like her ego was a little shot when it felt like he chose Lexi over her? When he was like, you can't touch. Don't touch anymore. And she was like, oh, really?

[Nick Viall]

Honestly, I felt like her response to Jesse was kind of giving girlfriend energy to Jesse. It's just like, I agree.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I thought. I thought when she said something to the effect of, oh, if you want to play like that, I can hurt your feelings. I was like, why are you trying to hurt his feelings? You should just be setting a boundary because this boy's a loser and he's trying to flirt with and then make you look crazy by insinuating that it was you who's doing it to him. It should be about respecting yourself, not hurting his feelings. Who gives a fuck about his feelings? Excuse me. Sorry for swearing.

[Kenya Moore]

She's.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I I. One of my frustrations over the course of the. Of the series with Ciara is to me, she just seems too interested in. In male approval or male attention or. And it's usually from dweebs. Like, Jesse's a dweeb, Wes is a dweeb. Like, Austin's a dweeb. Like, they're all dweebs. And it's just like, yo, if I looked like Ciara, Jesse Solomon could not touch me because I would be at some NBA player's house off camera in the Hamptons. Like, we. Jesse Solomon couldn't touch my knee.

[Rob]

Right?

[Nick Viall]

I finally got someone on my team about Sierra. Finally. I listen, I think just back to, like, last season. I think whatever. Wes has plenty to apologize for. But aside from what Wes did and what he has to apologize for, I think more than anyone, I think Sierra played herself when it comes to her. And West, I just. For everything that you just said, you know, it's just like. It's not that, like, west wasn't wrong. It's just that she cared too much about getting Wes's approval, who's probably beneath her in terms of, like, the level that she can get, but because he didn't give her what she wanted, she got so obsessed with getting Wes's approval that. And then. And didn't get it. And then, you know, even though he's like, I don't want to date, I don't want to date. You know, she. She tried to close the deal by hooking up with them, and then when it didn't close the deal, she, it. It it fucked with her ego. And if, If I'm Sierra, I'm more mad at me, at myself. That's all.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I, I agree. I don't. I personally don't think that the fury that she has displayed earlier on was warranted. I think he was a dickhead. And people be dickheads when you're dating. You know, there's, there's, there's standard dating. You know what? I. Okay, I don't want to pontificate on this thing too much, but I think that we've gotten to this place in Internet dating culture or just the way we talk about dating online where we don't allow for people to have been a dickhead in their romantic relationships. There's a certain amount of, like, addressing patriarchal stuff or, you know, the way men maneuver through society with women that we gotta do. But then there's also, like, just being a dickhead. We didn't get it right the first time, or I didn't get it right in this dynamic, or this person wasn't for me. And I didn't communicate properly. And I think people have overreacted to Wes not getting it right and not communicating properly. And I think they've underreacted to Ciara not setting a boundary for herself and. And also not communicating properly. I think that you're watching some late 20 somethings not communicating properly. And I don't think that it has to be a we're bashing west session for it, but also we shouldn't bash her for it. But I wouldn't say that I would be mad at myself if I was Ciara. I just wouldn't call him a loser at dinner and then go upstairs and admit that I still wanna kiss him like that you could not pull out of me. Not on national tv. That's embarrassing. I think she just moves embarrassingly. Like, even. I think last week I saw pictures of her and Jesse at Coachella and I'm like, this is loser shit. Like, this is loser shit right here. Which isn't to say she can't be friends with her friend, be friends with Jesse. You know the guy, you like him, you enjoy his company. All good. But you also know that the show is airing and there's a certain narrative being told about you. And there's a certain narrative narrative with Lexi on her pr, you know, tour that Jesse pit y'all against each other and he's manipulating the two of you and that you look kind of funny flirting with this guy who has this girl all goo goo gaga over him. And then you're going to Coachella with him, Fine, be friends with your friend. Go to a festival with your friend. But the post he's posting about you, like, pretending to propose to you and stuff like that, it's just like you're letting him use you and you're letting him make you look like a fool. And even I think Lexi told some story last week about how she had invited everybody to her birthday party and like, I guess nobody came or whatever, but those two didn't come and they purposely hung out with each other and posted about it. And I'm like, at this point, Ciara, you're being weirdly antagonistic to this girl who from what we've seen thus far, hasn't done anything to you. She seems to be in her interviews putting all the blame on Jesse, as she should. I don't want to see Lexi going after Ciara. That would be super whack. But Ciara is moving like a, like a loser. And like, she's moving like a loser here with Jesse Zachary.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, honestly. Yeah, no doubt. I feel like Emeril is the most pointless character on this show. I don't understand why he is. Is here. I mean, he has given us nothing but having sex literally with herpes. He's given us nothing. He's given us like, no, he hasn't tried and maybe he has and they've cut it out and this is, they're just making this his storyline and he's just as confused as we all are. But, like, I don't understand why he's here.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And I love. He's just like, I'm, you know, I had a hard life and now I need to fuck everything. Everybody. Everybody. That's kind of his story, you know.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I wonder about Emeril because it has to be difficult to like, walk into this house full of people who already make connections. And he's not sleeping with anybody. So it's not like he's Lexi, where he can sort of get grandfathered in that way into the group. And even Lexi's still sort of on the outs with these people. But, you know, he's just, he's like, okay, I'm on tv, I'm gonna make the most of it. I don't know how you insert yourself in a group that seems that well connected. And like, I don't really blame him. Now, can he be quieter about the sex? Yeah. Be respectful, you know, have some common sense boundaries about, like, what's going on. You are in a house with a bunch of people, like, just Be respectful of people like that. But I also think that we haven't seen any footage of them trying to get to know him either. So I, I don't, I don't know what to make of him. I, I, I would have liked to see more about a good looking guy in the house with these people because I deserve eye candy too. But they're not showing us anything and I'm not getting the sense that anybody's trying. And he seems, when people talk to him, particularly when they were confronting him all passive aggressively, which I did like, grow up, Page. Like you didn't have to accuse him of having STDs. Just be like quiet your shorties down. But he seemed very mature about it and he seems pretty self aware, I think. I wonder if he's getting an unfair edit. And also it's hard to join a new group. At least west and Jesse had each other to sort of bond with. And I don't get the sense that there's anybody that like Emerl can come into this dynamic, you know, tackle filling everything with together.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I feel like him and Kyle obviously are friends before. I feel like Emeril did something for Kyle and Kyle was like, bro, I owe you one. And he was like, get me on Summer House. And that is why he is on this show is because he did a favor for Kyle. And Kyle is like, yeah, I mean, listen, I started this show, so yeah, sure, I can get you on. And it has got him laid every single weekend.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But it doesn't even seem like Kyle's doing much to help him integrate either.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No, it was like, yeah, the first episode that Kyle was like, why don't you tell him about your life? And then that was really.

[Nick Viall]

All right, I'm out. I have to go.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Dj Yeah, I just, I don't think, I don't think that they're handling him well. I think actually Emeril would make, would have a very good case for what Garcelle Beauvais felt on Beverly Hillary. Like no one's smiling at him.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

You know, he doesn't get grace. No one's smiling at him. I don't know. I don't know if I can't tell if that's a production error, if, if it's just a confluence of like production and then his sort of obsession with sex and then nobody else really making that big an effort.

[Nick Viall]

It definitely could definitely be lazy producing, lazy editing where it's just like they don't know what to do with this guy. Then they have like the page and Craig break of it all and when they have to, like, focus on that storyline and things like that. So maybe they just didn't have.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I found it very interesting that Emerald was so good at kickball. I love. I wanted to know more about why he's so good at kickball. Are you in a league? What do you do on your weekends when you're not in the Hamptons?

[Nick Viall]

You know, he looks athletic. You know, it's a relatively easy sport to pick up, I suppose.

[Emeril]

But I want him back another season. I want to know more about him.

[Nick Viall]

I. He deserves another shot. I mean, he's at least willing to be messy.

[Emeril]

I've heard everyone, every, like all the rumors I've heard online about Emeril are that he's a really, really sweet guy. Like, he's apparently an angel in the streets and a devil in the sheets.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Is what I've heard.

[Emeril]

That's what I've heard.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But like, in a.

[Emeril]

But in a way where like, he communicates with everybody. Like, no girl who's like hooked up with Emerald has ever been. Like, he played me. It's always like, yeah, we had sex and it was great.

[Nick Viall]

Have sex. Yeah.

[Emeril]

He seems like very, very, like, aware of what he's doing and like communicates that with everyone to make them comfortable and he does it and then he's a nice guy.

[Nick Viall]

I love that he can certainly clothes. That's for sure.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He seems like a good communicator, even from the small stuff we've seen. Like the way that Ciara was talking to him. She couldn't talk to me like that. She was very passive aggressive, rude in my opinion. And the way that Paige, even throughout the STD test, I mean, he's a man, so of course he's not going to yell at these women or anything like that, but you could not talk to me crazy like that. He communicates very, very well in those moments. So all, you know, I. I would like to see more of him. Even when he was talking about his cousins coming from Bangladesh and at the Shabbat dinner and they said, and Sierra says, tell us that you love us in Bengali. And he said it and no one seemed impressed besides Ciara. I was like, oh, they're not like, I don't know. People didn't seem excited about him, you know, in the same way. Whereas, like when Jessica he sang and obviously he was singing. So it's not exactly the same the, the Shabbat prayer. It was more like a big reaction to him, I think. Just. I don't Know that Emeril's just getting the same chance, that's all.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Ray, this has been so much fun.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

Come back for having me.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, you have great takes.

[Crystal Minkoff]

You guys are fun.

[Nick Viall]

Can you let my audience know where they can find you, follow you, plug anything you want to plug?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yes, yes, yes. You can find me on Twitter at Raisani. R A E S A double N I and I'm instagra. Instagram @raisoni87. I shouldn't tell people how old I am, but Instagram won't let me take that 87 off. So that's it around New York, you know.

[Nick Viall]

All right. Right. Well, when. Whenever you're in la, let us know. Otherwise we'll just have you zoom in again.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, for sure, for sure. Thank you so much for having me.

[Nick Viall]

My pleasure. Thank you for taking the time.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Bye. Bye.

[Nick Viall]

Bye.

[Crystal Minkoff]

All right, guys, I.

[Nick Viall]

Great takes.

[Natalie]

Great.

[Nick Viall]

I thought it was. Before we get to humble brag, I thought it was just really interesting to hear Paige just talk about her relationship with Greg in a sense that, like, how she has, like, kind of everything's happening for her right now, and she's never felt more anxious.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, the implication is that she. Obviously, this has to do with her feelings towards Craig or lack thereof. But, like, it is just really interesting, that feeling. I mean, like, right now I feel like, you know, just in my life or our life, like, you know, there's professionally, like, I've never felt, like, more both, like, excited and at the same time more anxious, you know, but. And I also think it's just a normal feeling.

[Natalie]

It's higher stakes.

[Nick Viall]

It's higher stakes. You feel like you have more to lose. It's like, you know, especially if you're someone who's, like, never been to the place that you've gotten to.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

You know, and then you're like, holy. You're just like, don't it up. You know, I'm just like. And it seems like Paige and Craig, we've talked about it at nauseum. We've talked about how it's a lack of compatibility. But, like, I just. I just hope that this time in. In Paige's life, with all the things that are going on in her life and all the good things that she. She didn't overthink her relationship with Craig, you know, I don't know. And maybe, like, her anxiety is coming from who, you know, who knows, Right? Like, you know, maybe it is coming from her relationship with Craig, maybe she is in fact listening to her. Her body finally, and it's telling her, hey, Craig is great, but he's not my guy.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

You know, but it's just from personal experience, I know that like having a lot of great things happen for you in a lot of aspects of your life. Like you think you're supposed to feel one way only to feel another. And it's, it's a, it's a very weird up feeling to have. And I just, watching Paige talk about that feeling I related to do and I just, I very much hope that like, it's not one of those things where she looks back a couple years from now and says, as imperfect as we were, I had a good thing with the guy.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So I don't know, having anxiety and going to be alone and then hearing someone.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Like that would actually send me over the edge.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I would have been banging on the wall like, shut.

[Cynthia Bailey]

And you could tell she was so like, you could see the anxiety just on her face, like coming through her skin. And she's like, I have to be alone. I'm clearing off this bed. I'm getting in this bed. I need silence like I need. And then like the thumping and the fake moaning, I. It would. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Emeril]

As someone who's, whose next door neighbor tends to at times have very loud, performative sex, it's. It's literally the most infuriating.

[Nick Viall]

Fake moaning is brutal.

[Emeril]

It's pretty. Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Do we need this?

[Natalie]

Absolutely not.

[Emeril]

You're just trying to, like we just started. You're literally just trying to have like your at home cry where no one's around. And then you here anyway.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

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[Rob]

I'm obviously very, like, excited about. Yeah, These things, they're very. I don't know why. So, like. Yeah, so.

[Nick Viall]

So anyways, Crystal and Cynthia, welcome back.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Thank you.

[Kenya Moore]

Thank you. We have no structure.

[Nick Viall]

We were talking, thinking about.

[Rob]

These are Labubus and you have one. Isn't he. Isn't he cute?

[Nick Viall]

I will say I've been playing one with one for the past three minutes and I am a little into it.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So you're a fan of like, the purse charms. The bag charms.

[Rob]

Very Asian.

[Nick Viall]

This is like the new troll.

[Rob]

Yes, yes. And my mom used to collect trolls. Yeah. And it's like a thing. And like, as a kid, like, my, I didn't have money to, like, my parents wouldn't like, lean into, like, stuff like this. But what was very like, you know, I was in. I went to college and China for a year. And so what got really popular were like cell phone beads and chains. Right. So like, Asian culture is very, like, childish. Like, we like little kitty things. So everything's hanging. And then people started hanging like stuffed animals off their phone. So this is like very. Not a big deal, but this is a Chinese company called I don't Not. It's not sponsored or anything. I just. But if you hear me, I love you.

[Kenya Moore]

So you don't work for them?

[Rob]

I don't work for them. I just give them a lot of money.

[Nick Viall]

So are we in a trade war?

[Rob]

Well, I'm Chinese, so I get to bypass all of that. In fact, Rob's on the way to China right now.

[Kenya Moore]

Yes.

[Rob]

Lucy's driving to the airport and I have given him very clear instructions. He's like, I'm not going. But Sabrina, who's our friend, she actually came and recorded with us once. Like, she just sat under. But she's meeting him there in Beijing and I, she's bringing an empty suitcase to fill it up with Labubus.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, can we get one for River?

[Rob]

I will give you one. I will buy river one.

[Nick Viall]

I'll buy one.

[Rob]

You're gonna buy all of them. You're gonna get obsessed.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No, they're super rich. Let her buy.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah, I'm not rich.

[Rob]

I learned to not say I'm rich because she gets all the free stuff. I don't get free stuff.

[Kenya Moore]

So, like, the first time you brought it up, I just played along and just tried to be cool and act like I knew what you were talking about, but it won't go away. And you, like, brought like a bag full today. I'm like, okay, this is happening. So what is this and why am I holding it?

[Rob]

Okay, so.

[Kenya Moore]

And why do we care?

[Rob]

So Popmart is a store and the guy, this 36, 7 year old Chinese guy who created. Created this company. They're like sealed. I mean, adorable.

[Kenya Moore]

That's cute, Nick.

[Rob]

You've never looked cuter. That is adorable. And so they're sealed. Like they're. You open the box and you don't know what color you get. So it's. It's like, yeah, surprise. So that. It's a surprise toy. So he kind of created this thing. And I think what I read is that he might be. It's probably not the richest, but he's multi. Multi billionaire. Multi billionaire. So they create. They have like licenses with like Disney and stuff like that they create. It's almost like not the bobbleheads, the. You know, the ones with the big head characters. Funky Funk Pops.

[Natalie]

The Pop Head thing.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah. Funky Funk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You guys remember Garbage? Garbage Pail Kids.

[Rob]

Of course. I just heard that yesterday. Garbage.

[Kenya Moore]

Okay, I know this.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Okay.

[Rob]

Love toys.

[Kenya Moore]

I have a 25.

[Rob]

So anyway, so this, these ones I'm holding is that. They're called Crybabies.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I like toys.

[Nick Viall]

And you sure you don't work right now?

[Kenya Moore]

I feel like.

[Rob]

So Labubu became this crazy, crazy. Everyone's trying to find them. They're all over the streets. They're all the Foo Foos. Now.

[Nick Viall]

You buy them in America, so you.

[Rob]

Have to wait in line. And if they refill, they're gone in seconds. If you go on TikTok, you'll see people wait nine hours in. In line. Yeah, it's crazy. But what happened was when we were in Spain for spring break, Zoe seemed to think that she was going to find one. She was very committed to finding one in Spain. I was like, you're never going to find one, we walked by this store. We walked by twice over the week, but they were. And then all of a sudden, there's Boo. Boo at the window. We started screaming, all of us. We ran in.

[Nick Viall]

Even Rob.

[Rob]

Even Rob. He screamed the loudest, let me tell you. He's like, what? And by the way, we had found this one, the. The Crybabies, which is popular, but not like a Labubu. And Zoe goes, dad, look what I bought today. Because he was at the hotel working. And he goes, oh, cute. She's like, we only spent $65. And Rob's like, what did you spend on that thing? I was like, you're not supposed to tell him the price. But I felt very excited about it because I knew it was worth double, right? Because I'm a value person, so I'm obviously very excited. I'm, like, shaking because I'm super excited. Like, Rob's gonna bring home a bunch. So anyway, so we see this store, we run in, and. And the guy in Spain happens to be chatting Chinese. He's like, spanish, Chinese. And I stopped talking Chinese. I'm like, is that real? He goes, it's real. And I was like, oh, my God. And he goes, we have a new shipment. We have. We have two new box, like, three boxes of six. And they're behind him. By the time we get to that sentence, there is a guy coming around and starts grabbing. There's, like, Labubu keychains. He starts not even making. Just pulling them all off, all off. And then another guy comes behind me, goes, are you taking those? I'm like, yes, we're taking all of them. And then I look at Rob like, everyone's here to buy them. He goes, buy them all. Like, because sudden now we're, like, under pressure, and all of a sudden, people just start, like, surrounding us to buy them. It was crazy. So, like, now I'm like, oh, man, this is really coveted. I need all of them. So we hand carried. Like, we.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I usually divorce Rob if he's like, I forgot to buy some, and I got super busy, and I just, like.

[Kenya Moore]

Forgot with an empty suitcase.

[Rob]

The papers are ready. But don't worry, he knows. He doesn't want the wrath of me. He's very aware. He said. He even said, I'll hand carry them them home because the kids don't want the box. I know you're looking at me like I'm a crazy person.

[Kenya Moore]

So look how cute.

[Nick Viall]

Look at.

[Rob]

He was protecting you.

[Nick Viall]

What's. What's his name?

[Rob]

We haven't named him yet?

[Kenya Moore]

I have a question.

[Nick Viall]

So, Max, I just like that you can you, like, you. Can you take the hat off? Yeah.

[Rob]

So that one is a capybara outfit that Max found with at that store, but you can go on Etsy, and they have. Yeah. So what's your question?

[Kenya Moore]

All right, I have a question. So just so I'm clear, because I've never heard of this until right now a week ago, and then you brought it back up again, and now I'm holding one. These are not just for children. Grown adults collect these as well.

[Rob]

Yes. They're collector's items.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Now Crystal's like, what do you think I am?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Kenya Moore]

No, but I thought you were just buying them to sell them to children.

[Rob]

No, no. Okay. That's the other part of the story. So when we bought all of them, that sounded weird.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, you bought them to sell them to kids.

[Kenya Moore]

So, I mean, it's a toy at the end of the day. Am I not. Am I crazy? Is this not, like, a little cute stuff?

[Rob]

It is a toy. So, yes, you've brought up something that's very important. So when we bought 18 of them, because there are three packs of six, I had said to Rob, okay, here's the. Cause he's like, this is crazy. It's very expensive. So I said to Rob, this is what I'll do, because you can sell them for, like, three, four times online. So I said, I'll sell as many as I need to to recoup the money, and the rest we get to keep. He goes, fine. So literally yesterday, he said, how many have you sold? And I haven't even put them on yet. You already knew that answer, because I can't. What if. Okay, there's the surprise one, which is the dark brown one.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, which one do we sell?

[Rob]

Well, that's a problem because you don't know what's inside. So if I sell the magic one, which is the dark brown one, that would cover.

[Nick Viall]

It's like selling a lottery ticket you haven't scratched off yet.

[Rob]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

I understand your plight.

[Kenya Moore]

So now that's the magic one.

[Rob]

So there's a really special one that's dark brown, and I obviously.

[Kenya Moore]

Why is that?

[Rob]

And Max is. Because it's, like, rare. Super rare to get that. Okay, so Max is literally, like, what if we sell the brown one? What? Like, we're going to feel so bad. I'm like, well, we won't really know.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Just open them up and then staple them back.

[Rob]

Right. But by the way, you know you could also sell them and video. Like, people will pre buy them and let you unbox it with them on Zoom.

[Nick Viall]

Do you ever think you'd leave housewives to haul kids toys?

[Rob]

Why do you think I left? Now you discovered what I do.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You feel like if. If you were still on and you were, like, talking to the women about this, do you think they would also get involved?

[Rob]

I mean, I think they would try to. To get that bag, but I'm not. No, but I would probably gift it to them on the show.

[Kenya Moore]

What about the clothes?

[Rob]

Just to feel really like I'm really like.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You are trying to Zoom.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Kenya Moore]

There you go.

[Rob]

So anyways, but I'm not giving any of these away.

[Kenya Moore]

What about clothes? I thought I was, like, I saw something. Like, they had clothes like Gucci. Like, where do you buy their Gucci?

[Rob]

So it's not real Gucci.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Cheap.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Rob]

So that's the outfit. So this one.

[Kenya Moore]

So it comes with. You have the option to buy the. The bear or whatever this is, and then the.

[Nick Viall]

The thing.

[Kenya Moore]

What is this? What is this animal?

[Rob]

It's a labo.

[Kenya Moore]

But what's a labo? Like, what is that?

[Rob]

He's his own person. He's not a bear.

[Kenya Moore]

Okay, well, creature.

[Rob]

It's a mythical creature.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Wait, so you're not holding cherries.

[Kenya Moore]

Got it. But where do I buy his clothes?

[Rob]

What is that? This is.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It looks like cherries.

[Rob]

It is cherries.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob]

They're called cherry crybabies. Twins.

[Natalie]

Yes, of course.

[Kenya Moore]

Where do I buy the clothes if I wanted.

[Rob]

Natalie, please.

[Kenya Moore]

Mine doesn't have clothes if I want to get clothes.

[Rob]

We have an outfit. We have a panda outfit for him, but Max didn't like the panda outfit, so that's one Zoe's. Actually, this one's.

[Nick Viall]

You can buy a bunch with your. The extra $160,000 you went on and got to get out.

[Kenya Moore]

That's tra. Could start a business as well. Do you need a partner?

[Rob]

Well, I might.

[Kenya Moore]

I recently came into a big sum.

[Rob]

Of money, and I've recently lost a lot. So, yes, let's.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Let's.

[Rob]

Where's your money?

[Kenya Moore]

We should talk.

[Nick Viall]

Have you been paid yet?

[Kenya Moore]

I can confirm that I have not. Actually, the money has not hit my account, but I will be seeing the cast tomorrow at a huge Hulu event for Got to Get out. And that is.

[Nick Viall]

I think we're supposed to go to that event.

[Kenya Moore]

Something that I will be asking, but I mean, it's kind of like. I mean, I know it's coming. I mean, Hulu do Not want to smoke, right?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah, they do not want to smoke with me.

[Kenya Moore]

I know it's coming. And the great thing about it is my partner, Stein, is, you know, he's very trustworthy. Like, I felt like that was part of picking.

[Nick Viall]

Which one was he?

[Kenya Moore]

He was the one that ran. Like, I used his legs to get out because I couldn't get out.

[Rob]

But does he technically get the money?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Well, see, I was actually remembering that, trusting that he would.

[Rob]

But did you run out together, or did he actually run out?

[Kenya Moore]

The point of getting him, if I could run out, I would have did it myself and just escaped by myself.

[Rob]

So he's technically the winner.

[Kenya Moore]

Kind of, sort of.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You just didn't push that button fast enough, so maybe.

[Kenya Moore]

Well, I did not. I pushed. I did. I pushed it after he got out.

[Nick Viall]

But he. I forget his name. Was he a paparazzi?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Who?

[Nick Viall]

The.

[Cynthia Bailey]

He was like, a writer.

[Nick Viall]

The guy. Yeah, he was called the writer, but.

[Cynthia Bailey]

He was the first one that tried to escape.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Steve.

[Kenya Moore]

Steve tried to get out in a garbage can.

[Nick Viall]

It looked like. It looked like Hulu cast at a paparazzi.

[Kenya Moore]

And I was like, no, he actually works for. He's a journalist. So. Yeah, well, he was relentless. Steve was actually really fun.

[Nick Viall]

Star Magazine.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah, but it was a fun game. Like, you guys should all do the show. I'm sure it's going to get a second season. Everybody's talking about it. I can't even believe I.

[Rob]

She always says that to me, like, oh, you should do that show. I'm like, they're not offering me. They know what offers.

[Kenya Moore]

If I keep putting it into the universe, they're going to call.

[Rob]

Like, wait, like, you get shows, you get offered? I don't get offered anything because you.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Keep saying, I'm so booked and busy with the Labu boos.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, you're right.

[Rob]

I need money. People pay for these things, and I.

[Kenya Moore]

Feel like I'm cheaper than you.

[Nick Viall]

Would you do traders?

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah, we talk about it every episode.

[Rob]

Every day. Yes. I think I be a great trader for sure because I'd walk around like dolls. People think, like, the girl's so stupid and like, whatever. And then I would just, like, behind their back this season.

[Nick Viall]

But it. It couldn't happen.

[Rob]

I hope you passed my name along.

[Nick Viall]

I did.

[Rob]

And didn't go well.

[Nick Viall]

I don't have that much power, you know.

[Kenya Moore]

Well, this next season, I mean, would.

[Rob]

You do it later?

[Nick Viall]

I've been wanting to do it. It's. I've been asked in the past. It's just. I haven't haven't been able to make it work with the sked.

[Kenya Moore]

You know, a traitor or a faithful.

[Nick Viall]

I think I. I think it'd be fun to try either.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I think I'm better at finding liars and being a liar.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah.

[Rob]

Can I tell you I would. If I was on your season, I would assume that you were a traitor. That's why I think it'd be better if you're faithful, because you'd have to constantly prove your. I. I would just think you're a traitor automatically.

[Nick Viall]

I think I would go in with a target on my back for sure.

[Rob]

Don't you think?

[Nick Viall]

But I also think the only thing I have going for is, like, I'm kind of an obvious. I'm too obvious. Like, the same reason Wells got out episode one is because everyone was like, oh, there's no way he's a traitor, so let's go call him a traitor. He's like the affable guy that everyone doesn't suspect. Where a lot of people. It would be the opposite.

[Rob]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

I think a lot of people would suspect me. It could still get me in trouble.

[Rob]

Yeah. Did you hear what she said?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, I just said you had traitor energy.

[Nick Viall]

You.

[Kenya Moore]

You.

[Rob]

I didn't want to get by.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Which will make.

[Kenya Moore]

I mean, it's really a compliment if you want to do the show.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Kenya kind of said you to you.

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, God. Oh, okay. Can we just go back to trader's room?

[Rob]

That transition, I thought his was good.

[Crystal Minkoff]

See that I'm not getting in.

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, my God. This.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Talk about.

[Kenya Moore]

I want to talk about housewives. I want to talk to got to get. I want to talk about got to get out, and I want to talk about traders. But this is what I don't like about traders, you guys. I know you didn't ask, but I just like to just say if I was on the show, which I hope I get to do it one day as well. I don't like if I'm casted as a faithful, and then I become a traitor later. Like, I just want to be a faithful or I want to be a traitor. I don't like when they do that.

[Nick Viall]

Usually you have the option, like, only.

[Kenya Moore]

But it's not my show.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Say no.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, we usually have the option to say no. I think this season, I think there's.

[Natalie]

Like, one opportunity early on where you can bring in somebody or kill someone, and then the final time that that happens, it's either you accept being a.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Traitor or you go home. Yeah.

[Rob]

You have to accept.

[Kenya Moore]

So you don't you have to. Everybody always accepts. So I just thought you just had accept. Did anyone not accept?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Didn't Peter Weber.

[Nick Viall]

Peter Weber last?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, he didn't accept.

[Nick Viall]

Often they don't accept.

[Kenya Moore]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, Peter Weber didn't last last season.

[Kenya Moore]

Well, as you can see, I'm not a mastermind with these competition shows. I just somehow.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it really is. I mean, you know, Netflix had Million Dooll Secret, and then I just watched that. Good. That was. That was just.

[Kenya Moore]

I want to do that.

[Nick Viall]

How did you. How did you like being mixed up with other reality TV stars and then, you know, half normies?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, I thought that was great. I thought that was the perfect mixture.

[Nick Viall]

For, like, about that.

[Kenya Moore]

Well, I like that the people that we did that I did know, they were all interesting and I got to know them and. And then it was like, I've never worked with, like, I've worked with Kim on Housewives of Atlanta, but we were never, like, super friendly on Housewives, so we were roommates. I got to actually get to know her and I really liked her and I'm going to see her tomorrow for the Hulu event or whatever. And I know Omarosa, but I've never, like, slept in a twin size bed right beside her before, so. And she's like, you know, she was. When she walked in, I was like, like, oh, just got real. Because she's good.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And.

[Kenya Moore]

But she was, like, super nice and, like, normal. Like, soon as she walked in, she was like, I got you, sis. And I was like, thank you, Lord. But anyway, yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

What'd you think of Spencer Pratt?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, Spencer was great. I actually didn't really know who he was, but everybody kept saying, Spencer Pratt is in here. Like, I just don't know if I know you. I know you. If I don't, I don't. And I love him, but I just didn't know that he was like Spencer Pratt. So I didn't really focus on him a lot. He was kind of like a loner in there. And then when I saw the show, of course he was, like, doing the most, but I just always saw him walking around looking for clues. I didn't even know he. He was really in play half of the time. He just was kind of doing his own thing. But I had my eye on my guy. That got us out. We were the only ones to actually get out of the house. And I liked him because he was, like, a little. He was quiet, very unassuming. But when I did talk to him, he did mention that he was like, you know, a big adventure guy. He's always, like, jumping off cliffs and going to all these crazy, dangerous locations and doing all kind of dangerous stuff. And I was like, well, if he can do all that, he can run his ass out of this. Down this driveway and get out the gate.

[Rob]

I'm going to start crying.

[Kenya Moore]

Why are you laughing?

[Nick Viall]

Headphones.

[Crystal Minkoff]

What?

[Kenya Moore]

My headphones are wrong. What?

[Nick Viall]

I thought you did that on purpose.

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

She was not wearing them.

[Crystal Minkoff]

She put the speaker.

[Kenya Moore]

I had worse. I had a late flight.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It was in case you wanted to hear it.

[Kenya Moore]

She wasn't much better. This is much better.

[Rob]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Okay.

[Kenya Moore]

All right. Well, then can we start over? I didn't hear the half part of the podcast.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So Kenya said, you in her. She didn't. She said, let's not talk about Cynthia.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Thank you.

[Rob]

But that was good. I actually like that for you.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Oh, okay.

[Kenya Moore]

I love that.

[Nick Viall]

For me. I didn't take that as necessarily talking.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Really.

[Kenya Moore]

I didn't either.

[Nick Viall]

Well, she didn't take that. I'm grateful for it.

[Rob]

Yeah, well, I know. I see. I think she was a little upset, but I also. It's like, I'm not even gonna go there right now. But I will say I didn't really. I just watched the clip. I didn't watch the thing, but, man, the comments were very. Not. Not positive to Canada. They were like, enough already.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Enough.

[Kenya Moore]

What were they saying?

[Nick Viall]

Quadrupling down.

[Rob]

She acted like it was a confessional, essentially. Right. And. But, like, every time I see stuff like that happen, I'm reminded how quickly audience moves on. Like, two weeks ago, it was Team Kenya. Two weeks later, it's like, oh, God, enough already. We don't care. We've moved on. Like, and it's sad because it's like, her life. And it's like, we all go through that, but, like, audience is very quick. They are done with her.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Did you watch this most recent episode of Atlanta?

[Kenya Moore]

I did.

[Cynthia Bailey]

You did?

[Kenya Moore]

Yes.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Did you also find it absolutely laughable that Drew was trying to compare her? Like, people have talked about me. I understand what you're going through to Brit after all of her being like, No, I get it. I get what you're going through. Like, people have talked about me online, too. Those definitely aren't the same, though. Like, having your naked on a poster.

[Kenya Moore]

Board and, like, people being swarming fellatio. No, it's not the same. I mean, we. I mean, if as. As a housewife, you know, we've all been Talked about and dragged to a certain degree totally. But I think if I had to pick one thing I wouldn't want to happen to me, it would be someone showing me doing performing police so well.

[Rob]

There you go.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Is Kenya just going to be like, shouldn't have done it?

[Kenya Moore]

I don't know. Why? Listen, I have done too. My last interview, really speaking about it, to be honest, because I get asked about it all the time, and I've just already said what I've said. So I don't know. I don't really know.

[Nick Viall]

It's just like, Hanya just keeps talking. What do you make of Drew's divorce? Do you feel like she has something to hide or Ralph has something to hide when it comes to it? It makes sense why she wanted to seal those documents so bad and then like, blame it on. On. On Ralph's behavior. Behavior. But then she was also like, no, no, no, it's all because of Ralph. And he's done this and he's done that, and it's just like, well, what are you trying to keep a secret? And then he was the one who wanted those documents unsealed. Did you think anything?

[Kenya Moore]

You know what? I've been married and divorced twice. And I was lucky enough for the men that I married to just let me be divorced and leave me alone after it wasn't working out anymore. So I am so grateful for that. And then I see all these other diversity that are just so complicated. Like, I look at Drew and Ralph and I just thank God that I didn't marry Ralph. That's all I can say.

[Nick Viall]

Is he kind of a bum?

[Kenya Moore]

No, he's. I love Ralph. He's a great guy. I'm just glad I didn't marry him.

[Nick Viall]

Because I'm like, why is he.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I just.

[Kenya Moore]

Listen, I'm a Pisces. I'm a lover of love. When. When the shit is working, let it work. But when it's over, like, they should just call it, like, it just shouldn't take all of this. Like, no, we can't break up. And you live in the basement.

[Nick Viall]

Why does he live in the basement?

[Kenya Moore]

No, I want you out of the house. Like, I preferably want you out of the state if possible.

[Cynthia Bailey]

And he's like, exc. Needed to live in the basement.

[Kenya Moore]

When that judge going to court to.

[Nick Viall]

Live in the basement.

[Kenya Moore]

It's. It's just too much. It's just too much. I feel like there's no point of separating and getting a divorce and still living in the same house. Like, I get the whole thing. Like, I think, you know, the focus should always be the kids and what's going to be good for the kids. But I'm like, if. Like, I. I just. Like a quick. Like, just make it in. Just make it stop. But I just think it's just not good. And it just feels like it's just going. It's going to be worse. Like, it just. It's just going down rabbit hole.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Did you feel like it was fucked up on Angela's part to invite Drew to the. To Portia's birthday trip in Nashville?

[Kenya Moore]

I understand what Angela was trying to do, but she's just still getting. She's still getting. No Portia. I know Portia more than I know Angela, and I know, like, for Portia's birthday, when Portia's not fucking with you. Not fucking with you. So I felt bad. I loved what Angela was trying to do, but I felt bad for Drew because I knew when she showed up, you know, it was not going to be a very welcoming situation for her.

[Cynthia Bailey]

But also to have everyone in Nashville talking about Drew coming, and then panned to Drew back in Atlanta, FaceTiming Dennis. I was like, oh, that's okay. That's one way to go, you know?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah, there was that.

[Cynthia Bailey]

She's. She's not done in the dentist space.

[Kenya Moore]

Look, I. If. Okay, we're on a TV show. We're going on a cast trip. We want all the cast to be. Yeah, but here's the thing. If a cast member is telling me I do not want Cynthia to come, matter of fact, they don't invite me. They make it very clear they don't want me to come. There's scenes with people telling me that she is me to come. I'm going to try my best to fight not to be there, to be honest.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Kenya Moore]

Because I know I'm walking into a very uncomfortable situation.

[Rob]

That's true.

[Kenya Moore]

So that's true.

[Nick Viall]

When Portia was. I don't know who said it. They're like, that's not what it's about. And she's like, it's about me. It's my birthday.

[Kenya Moore]

Which, I mean, it was. It was her birthday, and it was a birthday celebration. And I think for your birthday celebration, you should get to be around the people that you, you know, curate the list to be around.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It was like Angela had good intent of being like, very much so. A peace trip. And then Portia's like, this isn't a peace trip. We had a peace brunch that didn't work.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Very well.

[Cynthia Bailey]

This is my birthday.

[Kenya Moore]

That. That was far from being a peace brunch. Yeah, no, that was crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Crystal. How. Now that.

[Kenya Moore]

Thank God, a whole season. Leave me alone about it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're.

[Nick Viall]

You are a housewife.

[Kenya Moore]

I know. I am. I am a friend of the show, which means that I actually should have a very limited amount of smoke when it comes. When it comes to.

[Nick Viall]

For these types of appearances, because you're.

[Crystal Minkoff]

You're.

[Nick Viall]

You're right.

[Rob]

Your name is.

[Kenya Moore]

Do you see a peach in his hand?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Kenya Moore]

You see a little boo boo in his head?

[Nick Viall]

This is not a. Not like. Cynthia, do not ask me peach questions. More like I'm.

[Crystal Minkoff]

More like.

[Kenya Moore]

You're asking questions. You're asking me housewife question when I'm a friend.

[Natalie]

Wait, Cynthia, though, you have to admit, you have. You have more confessionals and, like, airtime than a friend of I have ever seen.

[Rob]

They made you amazing.

[Kenya Moore]

Okay, okay. That's true. I am.

[Nick Viall]

I am.

[Kenya Moore]

I am a special friend. I will say that I do get. Get treatment. I do. But I think that's just an OG thing. It's just a respect thing.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Kenya Moore]

And. And that's. That's pretty cool. I mean. I mean, I was on the show. I was a housewife for over a decade. So thank you for throwing me, like, the respect.

[Rob]

So that's why we want to know your.

[Natalie]

Yeah, you're like the omniscient narrator.

[Kenya Moore]

I've been given my opinion. Like, I literally. And I've been talking about this for two weeks, and I just can't talk about it anymore. And of course, like, no one's going to be like, oh, they just keep asking Cynthia this. Like, the people on social media literally think I just want to get up and put my wig on and my CB Bora hat on and talk about this all day long.

[Nick Viall]

No, we were forced to.

[Kenya Moore]

Like, you guys are pulling the words out of my mouth.

[Nick Viall]

Truly, we're bullies.

[Kenya Moore]

Yes, I'm told. I'm so being bullied today. And I keep making it. And every time I do it interview, I'm like. So I'm just putting it out there that this is my last time talking about the situation. And every time I'm in another interview going, this is my last time talking about this situation.

[Nick Viall]

But this fault.

[Kenya Moore]

But this is it.

[Nick Viall]

Look. Yeah, it's Kenya's fault.

[Kenya Moore]

This is really the last time. Like, at this point, I love Crystal talking about it. Like, you have some good points because you actually go and you read and you, like, you know, look at all the things and then you tell. It's kind of like how I did for Beverly Hills. Like, this. This is my thing where I'm like, I want to talk about this. This is someone that I, you know, was like, really good friends with.

[Nick Viall]

All right, Crystal is.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Is. Yeah, yeah. Put Crystal.

[Kenya Moore]

Put Crystal's ass in the hot seat.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Do you think there's gonna be a blow up response to Portia's friend alleging Drew sucked Dennis's dick?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, I forgot that that was said on there.

[Natalie]

Oh, it's a teaser for next week. She said.

[Rob]

And then it was like, say that one more time. Say the sentence one more time.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Is there gonna be Portia's friend at the table in Nashville.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Accuses Drew sucked Dennis's dick. And then in Portia's confessional, she's like, yeah. He would be like, they just gave me head. Well, they just gave me head. And they just gave me head. Like, she admitted that.

[Rob]

I think it's always gonna have. I was gonna say blowback, but that was a weird choice.

[Cynthia Bailey]

No pun intended, but yes, of course.

[Rob]

But again, I think this is gonna be one week, and then the next thing's like, that's what's crazy about this show, especially Atlanta. Like, you guys are so heightened and like, crazy things happen, but everyone moves on to the next thing.

[Cynthia Bailey]

They really do.

[Rob]

But, like, if that happened on Beverly Hills, it would be the entire season. It'd be three.

[Kenya Moore]

I can't even imagine three years.

[Rob]

Same topic.

[Kenya Moore]

Getting dick sucked. No, in on Beverly Hills, Kyle won't.

[Nick Viall]

Even talk about being next to Morgan.

[Rob]

I know.

[Kenya Moore]

And Atlanta's over here just doing.

[Rob]

Yeah, crazy over there.

[Kenya Moore]

Like, sucking. And I won't say that.

[Rob]

See, when you get her, like, relax. It's crazy. Cynthia's nuts.

[Kenya Moore]

No. I mean, no, because I'm like, I've had like three hours of sleep, so the only.

[Rob]

Take advantage of her.

[Kenya Moore]

I know.

[Nick Viall]

We will always want you to talk some tea.

[Kenya Moore]

I know, I know.

[Cynthia Bailey]

What about Brit alleging that Angela's husband had a baby on her?

[Rob]

This is crazy stuff.

[Kenya Moore]

What about that?

[Cynthia Bailey]

What about that?

[Rob]

It's called. There's called DNA test, right? I mean, I don't know. This is so. I can't even. What you're saying sounds like a soap opera.

[Cynthia Bailey]

It's wild.

[Rob]

It doesn't even sound like real.

[Cynthia Bailey]

And this is all one episode, all in one.

[Kenya Moore]

And I think we're only like episode.

[Rob]

Five or six, but that you guys are able to sort of bypass. Like, I also feel that too. It's like you. Everyone still like, stands all the girls on the show, it's like, these things are massive accusations. They're massive, life altering things. Like, I don't even. I mean, leather pants to me affected me for many years. Like this.

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, my God, that's such low hanging fruit for. I know. I wish somebody would talk about my leather pants.

[Rob]

Yeah, I was very conscious of wearing leather for like three years. Like, I could never handle, like.

[Kenya Moore]

Do you still have those pants?

[Nick Viall]

Hell yeah.

[Rob]

Rob, like, is like. Well, not let me wear them because he wants them protected in a case.

[Cynthia Bailey]

They're in a labu.

[Kenya Moore]

That's what you need to be selling. I feel like you get a lot of money for those leather pants. They're like, famous.

[Rob]

They are famous.

[Kenya Moore]

They are.

[Rob]

Yes, they are.

[Natalie]

Crystal.

[Rob]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Garcel has unfollowed the entire Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast.

[Nick Viall]

Does she still follow you?

[Natalie]

Including Sutton?

[Nick Viall]

She still follows you?

[Rob]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Rob]

Yes.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Have you heard from Garcelle?

[Rob]

I talked to her the day of the announcement.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Rob]

Yeah. So right away, right after I saw it, and then I messaged her, and then she called me when we were in Marco. We talked for a little bit and that was it.

[Nick Viall]

Could you put some context around her exit?

[Rob]

No, because I didn't ask her about it, you know, because I know what it feels like. It's too new. It was just more of like, hope you're great. Thank you. It was time. That was it. It was very. And I'm not pushing anybody because, like, it took me months to even mention.

[Nick Viall]

It, but, like, your ex, it was pretty calm and it just was more like not coming back. Not coming back. You know, like, enjoyed the run.

[Rob]

Correct. Like so even so for me, it was tough enough to deal with it. So with her being kind of public and then obviously, from what I saw, she felt quite betrayed by Sutton and the girl. Not necessarily the girls, but, like, seems centered around Sutton. Yes, that's what I mean. It seemed very much about Sutton. So the last thing you. I need to do is probe someone about that. I saw it. It's like, you know, but yeah, she. Apparently she still follows Jennifer from. And Kathy, which makes sense. Yeah. But I wasn't even there this year, so it's.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think it's centered around Sutton?

[Rob]

Yes. Or.

[Nick Viall]

Or is it a combination of, like, did she quit the show because of this view of Sutton?

[Rob]

I guess I.

[Nick Viall]

Or is it. Or is she ready to be done?

[Cynthia Bailey]

Because that was like her last friend. And if her last friend doesn't have her back, that's why I stay on.

[Rob]

The show, I think her in the.

[Crystal Minkoff]

The moment.

[Rob]

Because, you know, and you could speak to this. You've done so many.

[Kenya Moore]

You just said a great job.

[Nick Viall]

You just said, no, no, no.

[Rob]

But I'm saying about reunions.

[Kenya Moore]

Okay, go ahead.

[Rob]

There is. You can't even describe walking into a reunion. The stress, the pressure, the fear, the anxiety that you have is so heightened. Like, it's really, really stressful because it is. Like, it's just standing in front of a firing squad the whole time. And so when you go in there, you're, you know, you know, the packages. Right. It's like you're a little package, and then everyone comes for you. Like, you need someone to help you, and if you're on your own, you got to be really strong to be on your own. You got. I mean, I'm not like, I, I. And I always felt alone, but, like, that's why I kind of shut down a lot until I felt really strongly about something. But, like, I mean, Garcel has rode for Sutton for so long in almost. Almost like, I just want to be careful. My words. I just. Sometimes it wasn't warranted.

[Nick Viall]

And she was, like, having sons back out of principle. Like, out of being her friend.

[Rob]

Out of being her friend.

[Nick Viall]

Sutton was right.

[Rob]

Right. And there's a lot of people that do that, and I think that's great for that kind of friendship. And there's people who are, like, going to call someone out, and she really. And I think not only that, Sutton, again, I haven't. To be honest, I didn't watch it. I just seen clips. But the clips are enough. No, I'm saying I. I didn't see the whole context of the episodes, but from what I saw, it seemed like she was on her own. And Sutton didn't defend her on top of that, not defending her to the women that she felt like were against the two of them together. And then all of a sudden, so in her mind, I imagine it's like, oh, wait, are you now. Not only did you not defend me for me, but, like, are you now part of them? And so she. You can't move forward like that. I get that. Like, you can't. I would not go back if I really felt like I was on an island like that.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Do you feel like Garcelle was invalid and because this is her. She's gone to several reunions. She knows how it works to expect the women to smile at her and connect with her throughout the reunion, knowing that everyone is on edge and nervous.

[Rob]

Yeah, I saw this smile Comment. It's hard for me to think that that was the only thing that happened. I think that was, like, used to, like, explain. Explain.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I kind of wonder if.

[Rob]

Yeah, I don't think that was a.

[Nick Viall]

Sound bite without context, but I think.

[Rob]

What she really was feeling was like, I walked in and I could. Like, you were saying. You know, you say you go into an event. She's like, leave. I'm not here.

[Kenya Moore]

No, but I'm good.

[Rob]

I'm referring to what you're saying. It's like when you go to an event and no one's looking in the eye, and you're like, wait a minute. When you're not really. You didn't expect to be, like, the one being shot at. You're like, wait, what's happening? Happening? And so that feeling, it usually means you're.

[Kenya Moore]

You are the target.

[Rob]

You're the target, you're saying. And I think that she. Based on her. Them using that is showing that she wasn't expecting to be the target. So she was really surprised and was. She felt. She felt surprised, like she wasn't expecting that.

[Nick Viall]

So that's another thing.

[Rob]

My opinion.

[Nick Viall]

Another thing that the audience members are. Are struggling with is Garcel kind of standing her ground when it came to her opinion about dorit and the whole robbery of it all. And, like, honestly, like, as a fan of the show, I've had the opinion that that whole situation is murky. Is murky, shady, questionable. And as fans, I just feel like it's one thing for us to speculate and talk about things we watch on a show, and we know that, like, in that group. It seems like a lot of people have speculated, but even, like, there's a. There's just a difference between housewives getting together as friends or fans talking online about rumors versus actual housewives who are part of these groups going on these shows and then saying, I think this. And I. You know, and I. That's just how I feel, you know? And I think a lot of the audience members are struggling with, like, whether they agree with Garcelle's opinion or not. Just recognizing that, like, you're still kind of accusing her of, like, a fraud. A fraud.

[Rob]

Yeah. On television, I understand access to these.

[Nick Viall]

People, and it's just. It's different. Different than, like, gossiping in a group or. Or fans platforming these rumors. And what are your. What are your thoughts on that?

[Rob]

I see both sides, for sure. Um, I see that she's someone that. That's. I think we talked about this one time. I Was here it was. I said, that's how she feels about this specific situation. And all the audience wants is someone to be super honest about how they feel with that is going to get backlash. That's normal. Because a lot of people are saying that's too far. I think having. Had she been. Instead of just saying, that's how I feel. Had she given sort of primary examples like dates and why she feels that way. You don't just feel that way about someone. I don't think that you did something fraudulent because I have a sense like, you know. And so, like, when it came to, like, the Erica stuff, you know, we had talked about different articles coming out, different lawsuits, and so, like, no one really pushed back on us when we did that. It was like, this is our opinion based on. On this specific information or not bring it up out of thin air. And we talked about those things. I think this situation was like, it was thrown out, but it wasn't actually dissected enough as to why. Not to say that it. That's, you know, it's real or anything like that. But I'm just saying, like, had she said those things. Well, I saw, you know, these things were, you know, financial. Financial issues were cleared up and da, da, da. I think maybe it would have resulted in. I don't know. It just. I don't know. That's what I feel.

[Kenya Moore]

Well, the thing about the reunion, I'll just say this, like, if you're going to put out any strong statements or feelings or thoughts or whatever, that's the time when you really have to be able to really back it up. Because we're all watching to see, okay, well, why do you feel this way?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Kenya Moore]

And it just didn't seem like she had back. That's right.

[Rob]

She just said, I feel this way. Yeah, that's not enough.

[Kenya Moore]

And at a reunion, that's just not enough.

[Nick Viall]

And she was almost seemed to be waiting for whether it was Sutton or anyone else.

[Rob]

Well, she wanted something to say. I feel this way, too.

[Nick Viall]

And because she probably knew her son's opinion. Correct.

[Rob]

Because they talk a lot. And I had said this. We did Carlos's king's pod. And that was a question. You know, his whole thing is, oh, there's an alliance. Like, there's always an alliance. But they would like, they would say, like, oh, this summer we're going to Greece together. We're not filming. Like, they're going on vacation. They're friends, so whatever they're talking, talking about, and at the core of your friendship for the show tends to be about the show. Like you're going to talk about. It's just. Just takes over your life. It's just natural. And you're always on top of everybody and whatever and gossip and so I think ourselves expecting Sutton to back her up. She did not prepare herself enough with the. With the information. She just wanted someone else to be there for her, and she wasn't. So I think in that situation, she was like, oh, wait, you're gonna throw me under the bus? Then I am out.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Why do you think Sutton didn't back her up?

[Rob]

Because she wants to be really close with Kyle. And I've said this out loud to. To Sutton, to. To everybody. Like, you really want Kyle's approval?

[Nick Viall]

What has been Sutton's response to those?

[Rob]

She's like, no, we're friends. Like, no, I like, you know, I'm like. And I know you're friends, but, you know, you have to.

[Nick Viall]

Sutton's never, like, acknowledged what feels like a double standard to other people.

[Rob]

No, I've never really. I mean, the other girls do that. Like, I. I remember, like, Erica and Rinna. That was really the thing against us, and that wasn't my thing because I didn't experience it up with that. In that. With her. But I think she just really wants. Because I think she felt secure in her friendship with Garcelle. You know, it's like, you're like, I. This is good. This seed is watered enough. I need to work on this. But then you killed the seed.

[Nick Viall]

No, I mean, I get what Garcelle said. When PK and Dorit talk about their finances, it always sounds shady. You know, when. When Dorit's saying things like, no, no, no, we. We are paying our mortgage. But PK just, like, decided that, like, if they don't call me back, I'm not. Not how banks work. You know, it's like that's. He also wears tracksuits, which I find to be.

[Rob]

Is that your telltale sign you're shady with money?

[Nick Viall]

If you were. If you're an adult white man wearing full tracksuits, I don't know. And you don't pay your bills on time? I don't. I don't trust you.

[Rob]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know.

[Rob]

White men who wear tracksuits are really catching straight. Rob. Take off the tracksuit on the air, black.

[Nick Viall]

I robbed his. Strike me as a guy who's wearing a matching tracksuit.

[Rob]

He's not. But in case he is. Do you miss it at all right now? No. Like today, particularly. No. I started watching that. That documentary, which I want to talk about on Humble Brag.

[Kenya Moore]

Which one?

[Rob]

The. The dark. It's like, not the Dark side of Brielle. It's the one that just came out, and I just started the Housewives portion. Demon. Hollywood demons.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, I'm not familiar. Should we be watching. What's it a.

[Natalie]

On Max?

[Rob]

On Max, I believe. Yes. They have a whole episode on Housewives, so it's. And I think it's going to focus on. She was in Beverly Hills, went to Orange County. Taylor.

[Natalie]

Taylor Armstrong.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Rob]

So there's a new documentary. I mean, the way they. I mean, of course, it's, like, very salacious. And the way they open, you know, the dark documentary about the show. And it was like, oh, you know, it's like they flash, like, you know, like, mug shots. And, you know, it's like, I was like, whoa. Like, this is not me. That's. I just felt today, you know, just today, like. And I really am grateful for the experience, honestly. And there's parts of it that I miss, but this morning was like, whoa. Like, that's. I'm in a really good place.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I have to say. That's one of, like, I think a very underrated feeling of, like, going through something, leaving it, and being really sad about leaving it and being like, I feel left out. I feel this. I feel that. And then time passes, and you look back on the scenario, and you're like, I am so glad that I'm out of that. I'm so glad I'm, like, not associated with those people anymore. I'm so glad my life went this way and their life went that way, like, that is a very.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So for you to be able to sit where you are today and look back and be like, no, I'm good. Like, I'm so happy with my labubus and not honest.

[Rob]

I honestly, I was just like, man, I just was sitting in the kitchen watching alone, and just the first, like, 15 minutes.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah.

[Rob]

In the kitchen. And. And I was just like, I literally thought about Cynthia. I was like, God, I'm, like, so lucky to, like, be a part of Envy and be a part of Humble Brag and be with Cynthia and talk about it. And while it's not that, it's like, I definitely have moments of missing, and I definitely have moments of all that nostalgia. I just wish I enjoyed it more, and that's on me. I wish I didn't take it so seriously. I wish I knew the game better. I wish I exploited it better. For my own gain. It really took a toll on me emotionally. I just was like, why? Looking back now I watch it like. Like, again, like, the Kennedy thing was so big, and now two weeks later, no one cares. I'm like, I took everything home for so long, and I just wish I didn't. And I had everyone around me, from Rob to my friends, like, get over it. Doesn't matter. You're in last week's news. No one cares. I'm like, but everyone cares, you know? And I just. Yeah. So, like, it's easy to miss that part. But I. Yes.

[Nick Viall]

You know, like, I mean, is it true that, like, people in some ways have moved on from the Kenya Moore, you know, drama? Sure. But I guarantee you, I've never met Kenya, you know, but I guarantee you, from her point of view and her comments, and when she wakes up and opens up her phone, it doesn't feel like anyone's moved on. You know what I'm saying? Because it's your world. It's your life. It's so much easier to remove yourself for a situation now, see it a little clearer. But when you're. You're in it. Yeah. That's the hard part about this world, is that both things are true. People have moved on, and yet, like, you're still getting hit with grenades left or right. That, like, the world doesn't really care when it. When. When you compare it to, like, all the media and all the things that are going on. And then you have these serious world events, and that's a whole nother, you know, thing that people are like, why are you even giving a. About something like reality tv, but, like, in your world, like, it's everything. It's everything and. And rightfully so. Sometimes it feels it's like either you're live, you know, Kenya, like, whether you write or what, regardless of what you think of the situation, she is, in some ways, like, fighting for her life, her career, you know, like, and, you know, it.

[Rob]

It, you know, 100%. I just think, like, Kenya's situation. Yes. Is. Is so extreme versus anything I dealt with. And that's the thing. Or I wish I had a little more perspective, and I wish I listened to people more of, like, myself was so mild, all of it. And.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And.

[Rob]

But it felt like my whole world was crumbling for nothing, you know, But I'm a sensitive person, and like, you know, the show compared to my. My life was. Was only toxic thing in my life, you know, so it's the only focus I had. It wasn't like Other things are happening. This, like, you know, it was. I had like a really, you know, nice, cushy situation, and then that this is happening. It was just felt so intense. So I. I would. I would love to go. Not now, but I'm saying I would. I wish I could reverse time and. And. And have enjoyed it more.

[Nick Viall]

What do you think the future for Bev Hills is in terms of, like, the friendship dynamics? A lot of people are speculating about the. The Fox 5 or Fox 4.

[Natalie]

Lisa Rena back.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Back.

[Rob]

Yeah, I can see Lisa Rena back. I mean, look, Lisa. Lisa's drive story. She is like the ultimate villain, and she, like, likes to be the villain. I don't think she likes it internally. I don't think anybody really likes it, but she embraces. She embraces it. That's a good word. Yeah. And she's really good at it. I don't know. You never know with casting. It's such a. It's really an art form that, like, I'm not a part of. But I do feel like where it's. Right now, there needs to be some change.

[Natalie]

If they called, ask you to either come back full time or as a friend of. Would you consider.

[Rob]

I don't know. I don't even think about that until that happens. Like, that's not even in my.

[Kenya Moore]

We would consider.

[Natalie]

We consider.

[Kenya Moore]

I'm speaking as her.

[Nick Viall]

I would like to see you as manager.

[Kenya Moore]

We would definitely put that deal on the table and consider it. We would not just. It wouldn't be a hard no for us.

[Rob]

Okay. Right, Crystal, Whatever.

[Natalie]

You heard it here first.

[Nick Viall]

Well, this is.

[Rob]

This is me and Cynthia.

[Kenya Moore]

But seriously, going back to, like, you know, this housewife world that we live in and do you miss it and would you go back and all those things? You know, for me, it's like, although your situation, like, how you leave is how you leave, your exit was very different from my exit and very different from Kenya's exit or Nini's exit or who. Whoever's exit. I think that because it's like, at the end of the day, it's entertainment. It's TV for all of you that watch the show. But for us, it's our job and we really spend a lot of time with these women. Women. So when we walk away, it's not like, you know, we'd never have to see these people again. Like. Like they're never going to talk about it again. It's not like we left a job at Starbucks and nobody cares. It's like it just lives on, like, way it's almost bigger than we are in so many ways. So once we're done with it and we try to put it away and move on, move on with our life, then it just turns into. But would you go back? You know, it just never really ends.

[Cynthia Bailey]

So you never really.

[Kenya Moore]

Even if you do miss it, like, you get. Even if you don't miss it, you kind of. You're forced to miss it in a way because people keep still talking about it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. You see the. The world.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah. That, like, people won't let it go.

[Rob]

By the way, that statement. Is it the world? You're forced to miss it.

[Kenya Moore]

You're forced to miss it. Like, literally with the regular job you can go on and nobody really gives a shit. With this type of job, being this type of TV personality on this type of platform. It's like I always said, like, the Mafia, like, when you get in, like, it's hard to get out. And like, you have to, like, with the Mafia, you have to like die to get out of the Mafia most of the time. You know what I mean? So it's very similar thing. And you're hard of heart. You're like, I don't miss it. I'm happy. I've moved on. I like my life, I like my family. I'm happy. But it never really goes away, especially if you were on it for any amount of years.

[Nick Viall]

It's like missing your toxic ex, you know, There you go. You know, you're better off. You know, it's like.

[Kenya Moore]

But you're still kind of like, hey, I wonder what they're up to.

[Rob]

I wonder if he still loves him. Yeah. Cause he and his new girlfriend are showing up at all these parties. You can never get away from them.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah.

[Rob]

So you're always like, oh, thinking about that toxic ex. That's exactly what it is. You're forced to.

[Kenya Moore]

That's the best analogy.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Where do you and Nini stand today?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, we're great. We're actually really good. And I'm really. I say that just with my chest because I'm so happy that we've come so far because we had, you know, we started off as friends on the show. I came on the show with Nene and she was the breakout star. I will say it again for the 155 time we think of the real house miss ladder, we think of Nene Lee. Like, that flower will always be given to her. But we are good, you know, we've just come full circle. We're able to hang out and Have a good time together. She just recently started a YouTube as well. Since we're talking about YouTubes, seems like I felt like in a week, like, five housewives started a YouTube from Atlanta. The same week I was like, wait, Portia has a YouTube? Can you start a YouTube? Needy started a YouTube. So long and short. I'm very happy to say that we're in a great place, and she actually invited me to do her YouTube, and I plan to do it.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Is she gonna come on Humble Brag?

[Kenya Moore]

Oh, she's definitely bringing her ass on Humble Brag. If I do our YouTube, she will definitely be coming.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Can you get on the voles, Phaedra?

[Kenya Moore]

Well, okay. This is a little extra deal now. It won't be before Humble Brag. If she does, we will have her first.

[Nick Viall]

When's I worked for that interview.

[Cynthia Bailey]

Yeah, there you go.

[Nick Viall]

When's Phaedra coming out in Atlanta?

[Kenya Moore]

Soon. We're in Nashville now on the show. She pops up when we go to Grenada. So I think it's a couple more episodes.

[Rob]

Yeah, they, like, previewed her.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah. Like, they're just her this morning.

[Rob]

You talk feed her a lot?

[Kenya Moore]

No, no, it's just random. Like, we're. She's a. Well, I don't want to say what she is. I'm the only. I'm the only idiot that says, what hotel she's standing, so. And room, too.

[Rob]

You really do. You.

[Kenya Moore]

You need a. I don't know how I haven't been kidnapped or whatever, because I'm literally like, I'm over here, everyone.

[Nick Viall]

You just got to warm. You just got to warm her up.

[Rob]

Crazy.

[Nick Viall]

So true. Ladies, always great to chat with you. Obviously, we have Humble Brag. What can we look forward to on your next episode?

[Kenya Moore]

A mess. It's just robust with RZA and Joey.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yes.

[Kenya Moore]

It is completely insane. We were crying, laughing. It may be the funniest one yet.

[Rob]

It's so funny. So we. You know, I've become, like, a Jeff Lewis regular because of Cynthia, and we went to Chump Con, which is his, like, kind of fan event in Vegas. Chump Con.

[Kenya Moore]

Chump Con.

[Crystal Minkoff]

We're like.

[Kenya Moore]

We're official chumps.

[Rob]

So let me just explain why. Because people are like, what, Trump? What does that mean? I guess one of the husbands you might know of Orange County's husband got mad at him and said, oh, you. You know, you're such a chump. You and all your chumps, the way you talk. And then he adopted it. And now everyone who listens, who goes on the show, they're all called chumps. So we brought RZA from Shaws of Sunset and Joey Zauk, who's, like, a influencer.

[Nick Viall]

We've had Joey on.

[Rob]

Oh, you have? I love. I love. And we all, the four of us, had the best time together. So we talk about it and all the crazy Vegas stories.

[Kenya Moore]

Crazy.

[Rob]

It's crazy. I mean, you can't even believe what single men do in Vegas.

[Nick Viall]

They're gross.

[Rob]

We were, like, shocked. We couldn't believe what they were saying.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It wasn't even our.

[Kenya Moore]

They took over the pot. Like, we just were listening.

[Nick Viall]

The boys are gross. Well, ladies, always great to catch up with you. I look forward to you coming on next time. We will inevitably harass you.

[Kenya Moore]

I know. I love it. But make sure you guys watch Got to Get out on Hulu. If you haven't streamed it, it is a binger.

[Nick Viall]

It's definitely. We watched it. We binged it all yesterday.

[Kenya Moore]

Yeah, it's good. It's eight episodes, and for the first time, I actually had a strategy in one of these competition.

[Nick Viall]

What are you gonna do with the money?

[Kenya Moore]

Well, I gotta get it first.

[Nick Viall]

When you get it, what are you gonna do with it?

[Crystal Minkoff]

What are you gonna buy us? I don't know.

[Kenya Moore]

I. I don't know. I hadn't honestly hadn't thought about it, to be honest.

[Rob]

That's a lot of money.

[Kenya Moore]

Well, I wish it was more. It was a million dollars on Table Pit.

[Cynthia Bailey]

I was gonna say you didn't want to, like, wait a little bit longer until it kept going up?

[Kenya Moore]

No, because you have to get a clue, and I never got a clue. So when I finally got a clue, I had to shoot my shot.

[Nick Viall]

Get out.

[Kenya Moore]

I had to get out? Yeah, you got to get out. You can't, like, hang around. You don't know, like, by the time it gets to, like, a million, you don't know that. You don't get a. It's called exit strategy.

[Rob]

Even close. Someone's taking that money. No, I think it was the right call. You just get what you can get.

[Nick Viall]

Well, be sure to check out Cynthia on Got to get out and check out both of these ladies on Humble Brag. Available wherever you get your podcast Thursday, we got a great episode for you. Alex Baskin. You're a good friend. Showrunner. Is he the showrunner of Beverly Hills?

[Rob]

No, he is the president of 31 Flavors who's one of the production companies.

[Nick Viall]

All right, so anyways, the guy who's pretty much in charge of all things Vanderpump, the Valley, and Beverly Hills Housewives is with us to talk about basically his world and everything going on in it with these shows specifically, we'll really get into the Valley with Alex, talk a little Bev Hills and then, you know, just get his thoughts on all things Bravo in general. That is on Thursday and so much more. We will see you then. Bye bye bye.

[Crystal Minkoff]

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