E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup

Summary

The Viall Files Episode E924 Summary: Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1-Year Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup

Release Date: April 29, 2025

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1. Celebrating One Year of Marriage

Nick Viall and Georgia Hassarati open the episode by reflecting on their first wedding anniversary. They recount the heartfelt yet competitive nature of their celebration, where they turned their anniversary into a friendly "Instagram war."

Nick Viall (02:27): "We went heavy. Yeah, we went heavy and serious and sentimental."

Georgia Hassarati (03:03): "Nick was like, do you want to have a competition?"

Nick Viall (03:21): "We were both winners."

The couple shared their experiences of crafting anniversary posts, with Nick focusing more on the message while Georgia excelled in selecting meaningful photos. Their playful competition highlighted both their strengths and deep affection for each other.

2. Trip to Stagecoach: Ups and Downs

To celebrate their anniversary, Nick and Georgia embarked on a trip to the Stagecoach Music Festival. They met friends Tyler and Tate, enjoyed live performances by Lana Del Rey and George Bourgeois, and navigated the challenges of festival logistics.

Georgia Hassarati (06:30): "Which also, I find it very confusing that they rearrange the festival every year."

Nick Viall (06:49): "Stagecoach layout, much better two years ago."

Despite good company and performances, the trip was marred by unexpected cold weather and logistical issues, leading them to reevaluate their plans.

3. Adjusting Plans: From Desert to Rainy Los Angeles

Originally planning a sunny staycation in Palm Springs, Nick and Georgia faced sudden weather changes in Los Angeles, including freezing temperatures and rain. Their initial disappointment over unavailable massages was resolved by finding alternative accommodations that offered single and couples massages.

Nick Viall (08:03): "So Natalie did not know this at the time, but when Natalie made our anniversary plans, she, in her mind, had a vision of sweating her ass off in a bikini poolside, getting sun."

Georgia Hassarati (09:55): "I had to recalibrate my wife's mood as we're driving home, we're driving in the rain."

The couple ultimately decided to cut their staycation short to prioritize family time with their daughter, River, emphasizing the importance of balance between celebrating their relationship and attending to their child's needs.

4. Meaningful Gifts: Matching Rings with Personal Significance

As part of their anniversary celebration, Nick and Georgia exchanged matching rings, symbolizing their unity and commemorating the loss of their unborn babies.

Georgia Hassarati (13:05): "They have two diamonds on them, which immediately... like both of our babies that we lost within the year."

Nick Viall (15:05): "And now we're matching."

These rings, engraved with their anniversary date, serve as a poignant reminder of their resilience and the love that sustains them through challenges.

5. Kelsey Anderson's Solo Episode: Navigating Reality TV and Personal Growth

Kelsey Anderson joins the show to discuss her experiences post-reality TV, including her time on "Battle Camp" and the aftermath of her relationships. She shares a particularly unsettling encounter at Whole Foods, where she felt stalked by a persistent man.

Georgia Hassarati (15:40): "He was like, were you just over there?"

Kelsey Anderson (17:44): "He followed me down this aisle. It's just such a weird coincidence."

Kelsey candidly talks about her struggles with past manipulative relationships and her journey towards healing through therapy. She expresses a desire to start her own podcast to educate and support others facing similar challenges.

Kelsey Anderson (125:47): "I'm taking therapy now, so I'm unpacking that. I'm trying to change that part of me that's too forgiving and accepting."

6. Reality TV Highlights: Travis Kelce and Celebrity Relationships

The discussion shifts to recent celebrity news, focusing on NFL star Travis Kelce's interactions with Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively. The hosts speculate on the reasons behind Travis unfollowing Ryan on Instagram, considering his public persona and busy career.

Nick Viall (20:10): "But why Travis wants to be part of the story by doing something so trivial as to unfollow Instagram is a choice."

The conversation underscores the complexities of high-profile relationships and the scrutiny they attract on social media platforms.

7. Thoughtful Parenting and Naming Children

Nick and Georgia delve into the topic of unique baby names, sharing their experiences and the societal perceptions surrounding unconventional names.

Georgia Hassarati (81:56): "We're thinking umbrella, and it's like, that's okay. We're losing the plot."

Nick Viall (85:18): "River is a fairly common name this year."

They discuss the balance between individuality and practicality in choosing names, emphasizing the importance of ensuring children can navigate social settings comfortably.

8. Nick's 2025 Diet Update: Embracing Healthy Habits

Nick provides an update on his dietary changes for 2025, highlighting his efforts to reduce sugar intake and adopt healthier eating habits.

Nick Viall (28:45): "I haven't had a single chocolate croissant in 2025. No donuts, no desserts, no popsicles."

He humorously compares his diet to that of Gwyneth Paltrow, while proudly noting his progress.

Georgia Hassarati (29:25): "Nick is the new Gwyneth Paltrow."

9. Additional Reality TV Insights: "Battle Camp" and "HomeGoods"

Kelsey Anderson shares her experiences on the new Netflix show "Battle Camp," discussing the intense challenges and personal growth she underwent.

Kelsey Anderson (112:55): "The submerged one... it was a battle of your mental strength."

She praises the show's ability to push participants beyond their comfort zones, fostering resilience and teamwork.

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Notable Quotes:

• Nick Viall (05:19): "You want to do what you enjoy the most but make sure that this weekend feels meaningful, feels unique."

• Kelsey Anderson (99:18): "He's trying to make it seem like she's causing all of this drama where it's just you don't have to react to it either."

• Georgia Hassarati (33:42): "Lexi just absolutely dominated."

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Conclusion

Episode E924 of The Viall Files offers an intimate look into Nick Viall and Georgia Hassarati’s first year of marriage, their adventures and mishaps at Stagecoach, and deep dives into personal growth and relationship dynamics. Kelsey Anderson’s solo segment adds valuable perspectives on navigating life after reality TV, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and resilience. The hosts seamlessly blend personal anecdotes with broader discussions on celebrity culture and parenting, providing listeners with a comprehensive and engaging episode.

For those interested in relationship wisdom, reality TV insights, and heartfelt conversations, this episode encapsulates the essence of The Viall Files—a blend of laughter, insight, and hot gossip.

Transcript

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[Nick Viall]

What'S going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. And we got one year of marriage in books.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We did was hard. We're gonna make it. We did say next year. We were like, next year Our captions will be jokey.

[Nick Viall]

Like, we went heavy. Yeah, we went heavy and serious and sentimental.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Honestly, the night. The night.

[Nick Viall]

Honestly. After our second post, we were both kind of disgusted with each other's love. Like, get over yourselves.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But the truth behind it is that Nick was like, do you want to have a competition? And I was like, oh, with what? And he was like, who can? Because we got massages, but we could. We had to go one at a time. So he was like, while the other person's in the massage, let's see who can make the best anniversary post?

[Nick Viall]

Who can win the anniversary post?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, who can find the best photos and who can write the best caption. It was a competition. Who do you think won first?

[Sierra]

I wanna know who went first?

[Nick Viall]

I went first.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Nick went first.

[Justin]

Of course, Natalie's was a black and white photo first.

[Nick Viall]

Right. Natalie definitely was always gonna win the photo department because, like, she's better at curating said photos, and she is more just generally present and mindful about those things in general and saves them. I spent more time on the message, and then I kind of whipp through my photo book, and I was like, these are fine. I went through my favorites, and I.

[Natalie]

Was like, you're like, this is literary.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. He's a author.

[Natalie]

You're a poet.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He's a poet.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Literally.

[Justin]

It was grammatically correct and spelled correctly.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Some of it. I mean, what I read, I saw. I saw a couple. I tried some spelling mistakes.

[Natalie]

There's some space.

[Nick Viall]

I kind of wish I was. I was sweating in an infrared sauna while writing that. And I may or may not have also just been very chill and very relaxed.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Picking up what you're putting down.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Who do y'all think won?

[Justin]

Who had the most comments?

[Sierra]

I think Natalie won the photo department, and I think Nick won the captain department.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So we're both.

[Nick Viall]

We were. We were both winners.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I said, after we left, I said, so who do you think won the Instagram war? And Nick goes, war. This is just like, a fun, friendly, little, like, challenge.

[Sierra]

I believe they say all is fair in love and war.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They do.

[Nick Viall]

It was a very fun, very enjoyable anniversary weekend. But it was like. It was. It was interesting because you don't really know.

[Georgia Hasarati]

All right.

[Sierra]

She's like, okay, haven't heard this word yet.

[Nick Viall]

You didn't feel a lot of, like, almost, in a way, self. Self induced pressure for your anniversary. It's like it's your first wedding anniversary. It's like we've. You've had it. Like, I'm old enough to know that birthdays aren't that big of a deal, you know, to not get that excited about, like, my birthday. Yeah. Because I have my wife's birthday to worry about.

[Sierra]

Exactly.

[Nick Viall]

And I have now Mother's Day and Father. Well, I don't have Father's Day, but, like, you know, and then Mother's Day is like two weeks away. Yeah. Valentine's Day. You know what I'm saying? But your first. Your first wedding anniversary, you know, you want to. It's that balance between doing what you enjoy the most, but making sure that you, like, are making, like, this weekend or day feel meaningful, like, feel unique, you know? And I think there was a mix of us, like, figuring out what that was in real time.

[Sierra]

I feel like you guys did a lot this weekend.

[Nick Viall]

We did. We went to Stagecoach on Friday. We met with our friends Tyler and Tate and spent time with them at Stagecoach. And then it got, like, really windy and cold. And we saw Lana, which was great. And we saw George Burge, who's joining us on Wednesday, came out and performed live with Lana. That was very cool. And we saw Zach Brown again, which, like, I know, like, you know, bad boyfriend, good musician.

[Justin]

Did you see mom talk at Stagecoach?

[Nick Viall]

We did not.

[Justin]

They were all over there.

[Nick Viall]

But, like, you know, it's one of those things. Like Stagecoach, Coachella, same thing. Festival. Like, it's fun, but incredibly, like, inconvenient. It got incredibly cold. Like, it's a lot of things where you just have to be like, we're having fun. We're having fun while you're freezing the whole time. Being like, we chose to do this on our anniversary, you know, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Which also, I find it very confusing that they rearrange the festival every year.

[Nick Viall]

Or we weren't there last year.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. The last time we went, they've rearranged it. So when we. I just memorized, like, where everything was and I get there and it's like, nope. Jumbled it up. Like, try to figure out where your station is now.

[Nick Viall]

Stagecoach if you're listening, we don't like the new layout. If you care what we think. We're just saying, you know, the two years ago, the layout, much better.

[Natalie]

That happened to my Trader Joe's recently.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's really upsetting. It's frustrating, right? You just memorize where everything is.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Is it the same as Coachella's setup?

[Nick Viall]

It was two years ago. Different this time. So main stage, different place. I don't know. Don't even want to get into it. It's not really the point. Then we came back. We woke up Saturday morning in the desert, bright and sunny, hot people were.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Laying out by the pool.

[Nick Viall]

At 8am Natalie, when Natalie did a lot of planning. Natalie did more planning for our anniversary than I did. I just want to give my wife credit.

[Sierra]

Wait, have you seen the TikTok trend that it's like, I'm Sierra and I've made the plans. And then it would be like, I'm.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Nick, I'm Natalie, and I. Yeah, I'm Nick, I'm Natalie, and I got the rings for our anniversary. I'm Nick and I. I'm Natalie, and I drove everywhere this weekend.

[Sierra]

That's what it sounds like.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I'm Nick, I'm Nick. And I got high anyways.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So we left sunny Palm Springs Saturday morning.

[Nick Viall]

And Natalie did not know this at the time, but when Natalie made our anniversary plans, she, in her mind, had a vision of sweating her ass off in a bikini poolside, getting sun.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Ooh. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Sounds like a fun weekend.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Doesn't it sound. Doesn't it scream anniversary? It screams honeymoon. It screams anniversary. It screams like vacation.

[Natalie]

It was a really good vacation.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I felt it.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

But then we woke up and had to leave the desert based on the plans that are that my wife and our.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That our wife and our wife, our.

[Nick Viall]

Party planning extraordinaire plan for us. Turns out the weather in la, even though two and a half hours away from. From Palm Spring, different.

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Freezing and pouring rain.

[Nick Viall]

So Natalie is in her mind thinking, this is not what I had. This is not what I plan. This is not what I planned. This is not what I planned. Not what I planned.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And then I had to recalibrate my wife's mood as we're driving home, we're driving in the rain. We're like, oh, like, how crazy would it be if, like, the place we're staying at was, like, sold out of massages for the weekend? Like, that would be crazy. And then we're like, maybe we should call and book one. So Nick calls, and they're like, sold out. Sorry. We have some, like, Monday afternoon. We're like, oh, not going to work.

[Nick Viall]

And honestly, our reason for going is just to get rubbed on. Yeah, we love a massage.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Justin]

I would say you were happy.

[Nick Viall]

A professional one.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Professionally rub one on.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, Like Jesse Solomon.

[Nick Viall]

No, Jesse Solomon.

[Sierra]

37 minutes.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, his. His porn search or whatever it was.

[Nick Viall]

He loves a good massage.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, no tan lines.

[Nick Viall]

No, that was Carl. And I got to say, I want to. I just want to stand up for Carl here. I just like, look, he's honest. Well, it's also niche, but. No, I'm just saying, why is Jesse and Kyle making fun of Carl's tan line when Jesse's like, well, I like massage por.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I feel like massage porn's a little bit weirder than, like, a girl with some tan lines.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, like what? What fantasy. Jesse, are you trying to, like, elicit or invoke?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Did you ask for a foot massage? And that's how the toe ended up in her mouth? Like, you freak.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I don't.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Anyways, so. So that they're pulled out of massages. So I'm in a bad mood because it's pouring rain and there's no massages for the weekend. So I'm like, oh, my God. Like, the whole weekend is just, like, ruined. It's ruined in my mind.

[Nick Viall]

But then I stepped in, and I found another hotel in Malibu because that's where we were staying, at a different hotel in Malibu. And I'm like, hey, do you guys have some massages available? And they're like, yes, we do. Back to back.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, lovely.

[Nick Viall]

Can't do couples, but we do can. We can do back to back. I was like, great. We just want to be rubbed on. It's fine.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Which gave us room for our Instagram war. Absolutely competition.

[Justin]

Y'all were driving.

[Nick Viall]

Then the place we were staying called us back and said, hey, something. This opened up. Couples massage is available for you. And it is an hour and a half after our singles massage. And I was like, book them all. Let's just do them all.

[Sierra]

Stop it.

[Nick Viall]

Did you really love that? I just want to get rubbed on all day.

[Sierra]

I'm jealous.

[Nick Viall]

So we woke up, Natalie got a massage. Well, I poured my heart out on Instagram. Yes. And had very few grammatical errors, which I'm very proud of. I am.

[Natalie]

You should be.

[Nick Viall]

Natalie went. And while I got massaged. And then we scurried over to the place where we're staying and got a couple's massage. Really great. And Then. But we were supposed to stay last night at this place. And then we.

[Kelsey Anderson]

We.

[Nick Viall]

We ended our staycation because we wanted to see our daughter, and it felt like we were wasting money.

[Sierra]

Yeah, you are, like, 45 minutes.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

You would have had to wake up.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Super early this morning.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, well, it just, like, that's what I meant when I started talking about the weekend where it was just like, again, like, there's that balance between, like, it's our first wedding anniversary. We wanted to make it feel special and unique. We didn't, like, obviously, we're very busy. We didn't have time to, like, you know, do some crazy trip. We did a staycation, which we don't really do a lot of. And we're also people who just really love being home, you know, being comfortable. So it's like this weird thing. We went to a very beautiful place. It was wonderful. It was great. But it's like, it wasn't our house, and our house was 45 minutes away. So is our daughter.

[Sierra]

And it's like, I think it's you guys having a baby, too, that it's just kind of like, how do you fully relax when you're like, I could be home and doing this.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. It was like, I'm watching the baby monitor as, like, my mom's trying to put her to sleep, and she's, like, kind of fighting it and crying, and I'm like, should we just go? Let's just go home, right? We should just put her to bed. We'll be home 45 minutes. I can rock her. I'll put her to bed. Everything's fine. And so, yeah, we ended our staycation early. And honestly, we had a great time last night being at home with our family. I have the craziest story to tell y'all, though.

[Natalie]

Please.

[Georgia Hasarati]

The other day, I leave the studio.

[Nick Viall]

Should we talk about our gifts first, though?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh, sure. Yeah. Another thing.

[Sierra]

No, you can't do that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It was my idea. You. You did it.

[Justin]

The gifts or. They're leaving the studio gifts.

[Nick Viall]

So. All right. So our part of our anniversary. Our anniversary is weeks away. And then I'm like, another thing. I have to get a gift for it. What's going on in my head?

[Sierra]

You got to make this part of your love language now.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Truly. He's got to.

[Sierra]

It ain't changing.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's got to.

[Nick Viall]

So my sneaky ass was like, I honestly think this is a really good idea. Okay. Because, like, I don't like what I'm supposed to buy You a gift on, like. And then you buy me a gift on the anniversary. And so what, we get like, stuff.

[Justin]

But it's your one year anniversary.

[Nick Viall]

I know, because I said let's do, let's do gift. Let's do a gift together. Let's do a gift that we can share.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's like he's being sneaky. Like, I knew what he was doing the whole time.

[Nick Viall]

So we got, we got matching rings.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So he was like, what should we do? Should be like, like a trip. And I was like, well, I already booked our staycation on my credit card, so I feel like I've already given a gift to us. And he was like, yeah, no, but I paid for that too. And I was like, well, not really because it was on my personal credit card. And so then he tried to take credit for that, which I wasn't allowing him to. And so he's like, what if we did? Like, I don't know. I'm like, is there like a purse you want.

[Sierra]

Is there a purse you want to see me in?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Are you dying to see me in.

[Tyler]

Like a new product?

[Sierra]

You want YSL from head to toe?

[Georgia Hasarati]

So then finally I'm like, what if we found like a matching piece of jewelry?

[Nick Viall]

I know, it was my idea, whatever.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And so it's like we could do like bracelets, a necklace or ring. So I reach out to my friend at Real Fine Studio. She owns this really cute, like boutique fine jewelry. I got my like, signet ring for river, the Le birth stone for river from her. I was like, do you have anything? She sent me these rings. They have two diamonds on them. Which immediately, as we all know, like, things in twos have become very significant and special to us because of the miscarriages. So I was like, oh, that's so sweet. Like, it's kind of like both of our babies that we lost within the year, the first year of us being married. So I was like, let's engrave April 27, 2024 on the inside of the band. She's like, do you want to put rivers birthstone in there? I'm like, no, she happened before the marriage. We're going to keep this strictly first year of marriage, lover.

[Nick Viall]

But like, no, she's a bastard.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No. Yeah. Which someone did comment on our wedding video and be like, wearing a full length veil after fully birthing a child. Seems ironic.

[Nick Viall]

I'm like, all right, slut shamer.

[Justin]

That's outrageous.

[Natalie]

Okay, so you hate fashion.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Sorry, sorry. But anyway, so we got these rings and they are, they're very special, and they're very beautiful. And now we're matching.

[Nick Viall]

So beautiful.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So, my crazy story. I'm leaving the studio, and we're about to head off for this weekend of events. So I was like, I need to go to the grocery store and get, like, my mom and river fully stocked for the weekend. So I go to whole Foods, pushing the cart around in the produce. I'm figuring out what, like, planning all the river's meals in my heads. And then in my heads, my multiple heads. And then I go. I go to the meats, and I'm getting her some. Some meat. And this man looks at me, and he goes, excuse me, were you just over there? And I was like, what?

[Nick Viall]

Probably. Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He's like, were you just over there with all the fruit? And I was like, oh, yeah?

[Justin]

What did you do?

[Georgia Hasarati]

I was. And he was like, I just. Sorry. I just felt like every time I looked up, I only saw you. And I was like, oh. And he was like, sorry if that's weird. And I was like, no, it's crazy.

[Sierra]

I'm not the only one in this room.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Can I get a half a pound of beef? And so then I'm like, anyway, so I take my meat, I go down the baby aisle, I get some diapers, I get some snacks for river, and then I go down the next. I'm literally. I'm going down each aisle, right? And I go down the beans or whatever it is, and he's coming down, and so I'm like, ha, ha. Hey, you know, like, what a coincidence. See each other again. How funny. And I keep it moving. And he's like. As he's walking past me, he goes, next time, I'm gonna ask for your name. I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. So then I go down the next aisle. He follows me down that aisle. And he's like, what a coincidence. Like, this is truly fate. Oh, no.

[Justin]

What does this guy look like? Is that the same?

[Georgia Hasarati]

He is a short, European, like, fren.

[Justin]

So accent?

[Georgia Hasarati]

I would say an accent, Yes. I cannot do a French, so I won't be trying. But he's like, late 30s, early 40s, probably irrelevant, regardless. Irrelevant. But yes. Short little French man. And so he's like, what a coincidence. This is such fate. And I was like, oh. Or you just, like, watched me go down this aisle and you followed me down here, but sure. And he goes, what is your name? I said, natalie. And then he goes to write in his calendar with an hill. I said, no, not with an H. The American way. He Goes and number, like, humans.

[Nick Viall]

Like, he's taking a reservation.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Literally.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, he's booking me. And I go, oh, no. I'm married, and I have children. He goes, what? You look way too young. Sorry? You just look too young. And I was like, with the diapers in the butt in the car. No. And so we keep going. And he goes, next time, Natalie with no H. I was like, there won't be one.

[Sierra]

I'm going to do different Whole Foods.

[Georgia Hasarati]

For sure. Thanks. So then I'm like. I finish. I'm like, this fucking freak. So then I finish going around. There's one aisle open, and he's in the fucking checkout. And I'm like, nope, I'm taking another lap. And it was just like, the way that this man was trying to sell this as, like, what a coincidence. We're just. It's just such a.

[Natalie]

Meanwhile, he's stalking you in the grocery store.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, you're literally watching what aisle I go down, and then following me and being like, oh.

[Sierra]

I like to think he's sit. Standing at one end of the hallway going, 1, 2, 3.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay. And, like, runs down to the other hall.

[Nick Viall]

Is there a. Is there a world, though, where, like, I mean, let's. Okay, let's say set the stage. You're a single person, and the. There's a guy who tries this. Clearly a move. There's no world in which you're charmed by it. If you need.

[Justin]

Oh, I would take it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I feel like.

[Sierra]

Especially, like, grocery stores. I've had that happen in, like, a Target, and you're just kind of like, I'm here running errands.

[Nick Viall]

You know what I think his flaw is?

[Sierra]

What?

[Nick Viall]

He was too confident at the point in which she asked for the number because, like, all right, let's. Let's. You know how everyone's always saying, like, I just want to meet someone in the grocery store? You know, like, what if this was just, like, a guy who just, like, wasn't paying attention to a ring finger or what's in her car, whatever. And he was just, like, thought she was cute. And maybe he's just trying to make a move, but, like, her version is, like, he's fudgeing, stalking. I'm just saying, what if he just saw a person and then was thinking, I got to get. I got to get the guts. I got to build. I got to build up the courage to finally make the move. So, like, by the time he did that, he was like a number. Like, he's done it a million times as opposed to, like, awkwardly being like, all right, the other five times I chickened out, but now I'm going to finally, like, just be like, hi and introduce myself. He lacked a little bit of awkwardness and nervousness. I feel like in his game, it.

[Natalie]

Was less meet cute, more.

[Nick Viall]

More like, I've done this 30 times.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I want to sign you up for our subscription service. Yeah, I'm going to ask for your email next. Yeah, it was very.

[Natalie]

Do you want to become your own boss number? Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. Very culty.

[Sierra]

I'm just not into that. No, I'm like, hit on me in a place where, like, not now, but when I were single. I'm like, hit on me in a place where it would be expected. Most likely. I ran here with no makeup on. I'm just trying to get some errands done. I'm not looking for a date at 12:30pm in the afternoon.

[Nick Viall]

Speaking of date, recently or not too recently, a few months ago, Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift, Ryan Reynolds, and Blake Lively went out to dinner and they seemed like friends. And this morning, I know we haven't really covered the story too much lately because, you know, it's still toxic and whatever our position. Ours. Our position. But Travis Kelty unfollowed Ryan Reynolds, according.

[Georgia Hasarati]

To tmz, which is like a statement.

[Nick Viall]

It's. Listen, it doesn't change. You know, everyone's gonna be like, oh, my God. Like, you know, maybe Travis Kelce feels a certain way towards Ryan. I don't know. Maybe, like, it doesn't seem like an accident. They. Travis follows, like, 1300 people. My big thing is, like, at this point, like, despite them doing a double date not too long ago, despite the connection and friendship between Taylor Swift and. And. And Blake Lively, and at this point, the only thing that has been coming out is like, you know, friends of. Or speculation, more or less rumors. But, like, you know, Travis has his own massive show and podcast with his brother, and he's obviously a very public figure and he's, like, going out in the limelight. Like, why at this point, invol, like, now he's involving himself in a story that you would think he's got everything about that's coming out of, like, Taylor Swift camp has suggested that, like, you know, who knows what's true or not? But, like, she didn't appreciate being brought into this, like, messy conflict between Justin and Blake.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And it's like, no one has mentioned Travis.

[Nick Viall]

No one's mentioned Travis Kelsey.

[Natalie]

I was not thinking about him in regards to whatsoever.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He was even dating Taylor during this whole thing.

[Natalie]

Well, maybe that's the whole thing. Maybe he wants friends.

[Nick Viall]

Maybe.

[Natalie]

I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

But doesn't it seem weird, like, regardless of why he did it, or he.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Could have muted her. Like, you know, he's dating the most famous famous, like, has been through this world, knows every trick of the trade, knows what's going to get pressed, what's not going to get pressed. Like, him unfollowing is going. Like, he could have just been like, you know what? I don't want to see his stuff anymore. Like, mute. But no, he wants to be part of the story, which I find crazy.

[Nick Viall]

It's petty, so.

[Justin]

Well, the headline is that he unfollowed Ryan Reynolds specifically. So Ryan Reynolds still follows Travis Kelsey. Travis kelce has, like, 1600 people that he's following.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

So Blake Lively doesn't follow Travis Kelce. But that's like a separate.

[Nick Viall]

But she may. May have never.

[Justin]

She may have never. Yeah, that was never part of the headline.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Yeah, but it's just like, he's being.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, roped into it now because you chose to, like, publicly, for example.

[Nick Viall]

Obviously. You guys know I've been very critical of James Kennedy since his arrest with Ali. Right. Like, and then when that came out, we came on the show and I had very. I had very strong opinions about James and his character and things like that. The last thing I thought about in that moment was like, oh, I need to unfollow James Kennedy. And so I followed him for, I think, a bit of time. People did. Started to notice. And then I was like, yeah, I shouldn't follow this guy, and I really want to follow him. But it just, like, wasn't top of mind, you know what I'm saying? It was more like, oh, yeah, I guess so. But, like, at this point, like, if it is, like, maybe Travis feels a certain way about. Riot about, who knows? I'm just saying, like, it is like, no one asked for it. No one was paying attention to it, and that was a choice he made. It just seems like almost a really weird, petty move to insert yourself in a story that you see. Everything about their actions has been, we don't want to be involved.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Honestly, I don't know what's happening going on. But, like, and again, you know, it's just me. Like, when I. I'm in the position of my life right now where I can afford to be my friend's friends when they really need a friend, that's kind of how I look at it, you know, Especially when people Are like, you know, when I feel like I can be the only one to have their back, like, I can take the shrapnel, I can take the criticism, you know, like, I'm good. And it seems like everything about that's coming from Taylor's camp is like, this is too. I don't, I don't really. This is. I don't really want to party. I'm just too busy being, you know, eras tour. Like, this is messy and I don't want this. And I. I guess that's a choice. I mean, again, and maybe she has a certain strong opinion. It's just a weird move. I don't know. It's just. Why. Why Travis wants to be a part of the story by doing something so trivial as to unfollow Instagram is a choice.

[Sierra]

That is a choice.

[Nick Viall]

It's a choice.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It also was a choice for you to say that my forehead was big. I was gonna say Armani. We listen and we don't judge Armani.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you have an exceptionally small forehead, which is ironic since you have this fear of your forehead. And I just had no real good digs that I could come up with. So I just, like, I went with the low hanging fruit, which is your obnoxiously large forehead.

[Sierra]

Nick was scrambling. You were reading him to filth and he was just like, well, your forehead's big.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I don't think we're talking about real things that I annoyed you about.

[Sierra]

Like, he's like, that haircut was a good haircut.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Literally, you loved it.

[Justin]

Would you rather a three head?

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, honestly, I am. I've gotten to a point now where, like, I think seeing river have my chin has made me love my chin, you know, because it's like. And I've. I've hated my chin my whole life. And it's crazy because I got my chin from my mother. And I know my mother used to always be like, sorry, honey. Like, that was me, you know? And so I, I was bullied for it for a lot of the years. And so, like, finally I got to a point where I look at my daughter and I see my chin and I'm like, no, wait, it looks so cute on her. Like, I love it. I gave her that chin. And I think that same thing about my forehead now.

[Nick Viall]

You've always had a great forehead, but.

[Georgia Hasarati]

People were in the comments being like, oh, they're definitely fucking getting divorced.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, Nick talked about parts.

[Nick Viall]

No, it's, it's, it' the real fans always show up first. Yeah. Your ride or dies. They're like, oh, my God, we love you. Couple goals. Oh, yeah. I love how you guys make fun of each other. Oh, my God, so silly, so funny. So silly, so funny. And then like the. Then the haters kind of show up, be like, oh, what's this? You guys are fighting. Oh, trouble in paradise. All right. No, that felt personal. No, there was.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh, no, they hate each other.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, there was truth behind that pain.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Like, thank God for you. Somewhere, someone in the middle of nowhere for clarifying that. I. I'm not happy here, I guess. And I'm not happy in my marriage.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I forgot that you sitting in your small town of Roanoke. Roanoke specific, know what's going on at our home.

[Natalie]

Bad things happened in Roanoke.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, sorry, I've never been.

[Nick Viall]

American horse.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Horse.

[Natalie]

American horse.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I. I did take Justin to the Amarni party a couple weeks ago.

[Justin]

I did. It was cute.

[Nick Viall]

Did you feel like an employee or did you feel like my friend?

[Justin]

You did address me as a friend, which is nice. But then I also held your bag for the photo shoot, so I. I played both parts. The photographer's like, can you hold that or can you scoot out of the way?

[Georgia Hasarati]

I was like, yeah, no, yeah, for sure.

[Sierra]

Out of the shot.

[Justin]

But I enjoyed it. I appreciated it.

[Sierra]

How was the party?

[Nick Viall]

It was a lot of fun. Leslie Bibb was there. Who else was. Who else?

[Justin]

Who played her for Brenda Song, Allie and aj Star studded cast.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Did you talk to anybody, Justin?

[Justin]

I did. Yeah. Bailee Madison was there.

[Sierra]

Love her.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, Bailee Madison.

[Justin]

And the whole time she started, she was like, cece. Cece. Yeah, Cece talks about you. And I was like, who is Cece? And then eventually I was like, oh.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Sierra, should we be calling you Cece?

[Sierra]

No, that's just like my nickname for. Well, it's always been my nickname since I was a kid, but Caitlin, her sister, her daughters call me Cece since they were little. And so all the little kids can't say Sierra, obviously. So we start off with Cece, and then it just sticks.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Justin]

It's a good event, though. It's one of those events where they pass around the food you can eat, but it's literally the size of a penny.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Or d'oeuvres.

[Justin]

Yeah, but it's like smaller than an hors d'oeuvres.

[Nick Viall]

All the serving staff are hot models.

[Sierra]

Of course, of course. Like, do you want struggling actors?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Do you want a goat cheese with balsamic on it? Like, yeah, I do, Sure.

[Sierra]

I didn't, but now, the way that you said that. Let me try it.

[Natalie]

Well, speaking of. Speaking of eating, Gwyneth Paltrow is eating carbs and cheese again.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Welcome back, Gwen.

[Natalie]

I don't know. I'm kind of upset about it.

[Sierra]

I'm like, is this giving? End of the world.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's kind of get.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's.

[Natalie]

It's apocalyptic time. If Gwyneth Paltrow is at the point in her life where she needs to eat carbs, what hope is there for anyone?

[Georgia Hasarati]

I just think she hasn't had, like, a stomachache in a while, and she was like, I need a little dare.

[Natalie]

She's like, I've heard all these hot girls with their hot tummy issues, and I kind of want to be part of that.

[Nick Viall]

Can I give a little Update on my 2025 diet?

[Justin]

Oh, your water fast.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it started with a water fast, but I'm happy to report that I've been pretty good about, like, almost no sugar. And I haven't. I haven't worked out that much in the past six weeks. And I've never been more smelt. Oh, I'm just saying, like, snatched. I've had a couple cheat days. I tried my mom's homemade chocolate fruit cookies. I also, I crushed some Tic Tac chewies that are delicious and I figured were more than worth it. But other than a couple just moments, like, I've completely cut out. Like, just like, you know, like Arnold Palmer's, I would go to, like, a Restaurant and Crush4 Arnold Palmers. You know how much sugar that is in a lemonade? A lot. A lot. I haven't had a single chocolate croissant in 2025. No donuts, no desserts, no popsicles.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Popsicles.

[Nick Viall]

You know, the problem was I. I ended 2024 eating like I imagine I could eat when I was 12, when I became an adult, you know, like, the way I imagine I would. Oh. Like when I can buy my own goddamn food, I'm gonna. You know what I'm saying? That's how I was. That's how I wrapped up 2024. I would eat dinner, and then I'd crush a box of Cocoa Pebbles and I top it off with a popsicle. That was nuts. And when it comes to bread, I'm mostly sourdough.

[Sierra]

Nice.

[Justin]

That's good for you.

[Natalie]

Love sourdough.

[Sierra]

Gut healthy.

[Nick Viall]

Yes. And I'm again, I haven't ran, I haven't worked out, and I've never been leaner and less puffy. I'm just saying, if, you know, one gwyneth dies. You don't need Gwyneth. You just. Just follow this guy.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Nick is the new Gwyneth Paltrow.

[Nick Viall]

You can even eat breads. You can. I. All I have changed is I've cut out the Arnold Palmers and desserts from my diet.

[Justin]

What about coffee?

[Nick Viall]

Lots of fruit. I'm back on coffee big time. Yeah, big time. A lot of. A lot of fruits at night. A lot of grapes have become my new candy.

[Justin]

Oh, those are good.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Do you put them in the freezer?

[Natalie]

Frozen grape.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, frozen. Frozen.

[Natalie]

Frozen mango. Little bit of Tajin.

[Nick Viall]

I don't need mango.

[Justin]

I will say grapes have a lot of sugar in it, though, so you have to be careful.

[Nick Viall]

It's natural. It's natural.

[Justin]

Well, some of them are if you're getting the cotton candy grapes, not those GMOs buying fruit.

[Natalie]

Well, cotton candy grapes are technically fruit.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

The fruit they sell in the south.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They'Re not like, injecting cotton candy.

[Nick Viall]

I'm just saying. All. All.

[Georgia Hasarati]

What did you think that was?

[Nick Viall]

All I'm saying is I'm not eating simple sugars.

[Sierra]

I'm proud of you.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you.

[Sierra]

Sierra would never. So I'm very proud of you.

[Nick Viall]

We have a great episode lined up for you later. This episode, Georgia Hasarati returns the vile foul. She's in the new hit Netflix show Battle Camp, which is now streaming and crushing it on Netflix, if you want to join. But she returns.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Spoiler alert.

[Nick Viall]

Spoiler alert. Lots of fun talking to Georgia. She's always fun. A little messy. It's always really enjoyable. And coming up shortly, Kelsey Anderson is coming solo. We didn't invite Joey. No, I did. I was like, you know what? Kelsey, she's out there. She's. She's making moves. She's potentially getting in fights at Coachella. We don't know. So we said, kelsey, come. We don't want Joey. Well, Kelsey Anderson is joining us shortly, but before she does, let's talk a little summer house. This is a fun episode.

[Sierra]

It was a lot of fun.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Schwartz.

[Nick Viall]

Schwartz was. Schwartz was there. Schwartz came. Schwartz is like the guy who's like. He's trying to find his, like, Marvel show he wants to be on. You know, it's just like, which. Which superhero iteration does he want to be a part of? And he's, like, right now just kind of scouring the Bravo universe.

[Sierra]

He's part of the multi.

[Nick Viall]

Trying to find out which.

[Natalie]

Which Spider man is. Which spider man would Schwartz be? Is he Tom Holland? Is he Andrew Garfield? Is he Toby?

[Nick Viall]

I Don't know, but I kind of wanted to see him make a quick cameo on.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I think he's. Yeah, he's Toby Maguire, because you'll just never forget him.

[Natalie]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And he's so cute.

[Nick Viall]

And you. And he always looks a version of 12.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Sometimes a baby girl can be an.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Adult man, and he's one of those faces that you see, and you're just like. You know, you just, like, immediately smile. You're like, ugh, Schwartzy.

[Nick Viall]

He's always smiling.

[Natalie]

Even when he does, like, really bad things.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You're all like, yeah, you just want to, like, aww.

[Nick Viall]

Not a great episode for Jesse. Fantastic episode for Lexi.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Does Jesse still get his cancer pass after this episode?

[Nick Viall]

I know.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Dropped the cancer pass. Jesse, look what you've done.

[Natalie]

I can't control what my idiot friends say.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, crazy. So you just want me to be a robot?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Every line in the book.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Ask you to be my girlfriend at the end of the day, but, no, I don't think so. But now after this.

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Natalie]

I mean, I know we met each other's parents, but it was like one after the other.

[Nick Viall]

It was the boy playbook of excuses.

[Sierra]

Like, we were all just getting ptsd, being like, oh, fired.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Shots fired.

[Justin]

Lexi was good, though. She held her. She said robot. No.

[Nick Viall]

Nope.

[Justin]

I never said that.

[Natalie]

Astra is born.

[Nick Viall]

She was incredible. I think anyone watching men, ladies, whatever. Whatever. Whoever you are, whoever you are dating, if you want to know how to handle yourself in conflict, especially in early stages of a situationship of what this is, just look at Lexi. Number one most important trait. Calm. She remained incredibly calm when being faced with a different version of her reality, which would trigger most of us.

[Sierra]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

She remained incredibly calm. And then she articulated herself so fantastically in a way where she was like, yeah, I mean, like, I guess that's a version, but here's, like, a different version of that story, which made incredible sense. It was wild because, you know, you. It's. It's a classic case where you hear Jesse's version, and you're like, oh, my God. Yeah, that is crazy to, like, early on, you want to date someone, but, man, like, two weeks in, you're just like, I'm demanded. They don't follow any women on Instagram. That seems a little hasty. And then you hear Lexi's version. She's like, well, I don't know, let's maybe just not follow 15 new women since we've been, like, hanging out. Which is like, no, that's a totally different story.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, and when she was when he was like, I can't control what my friends say, or something like that. And he was like. She was like, but your actions are making your friends feel icky.

[Nick Viall]

That was an absolute mic drop.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Mic drop.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God. When she hit him with the. Yeah. Like, wait. It's not your friends acting a certain way. You're doing things. They feel a way about it, and they're communicating it with me, and it makes them feel icky, which is like nothing any man wants to hear from a lady.

[Natalie]

And then for him to immediately throw all of his friends under the bus.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Well, I guess I just like, okay.

[Natalie]

Jesse, be fucking for real.

[Nick Viall]

At least he has West. Yeah, west is in there and is like.

[Sierra]

But even west was like.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But west was sitting with. On the bed with the two of them, kind of like feeding into it too. He was like, dude, we were in the car and he called. He called her and then was like, all right, I'll call you in a bit. It's like, we're going to be there in an hour.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's why I said. I think he was up. And then that's what he said.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

He literally went, no. Jesse actually was on the phone and is actually needy. And I'm like, he's the one creating all of this chaos because he's not ready to commit, but he needs to make it so if he bails at any time, everybody knows she was crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Very is interested. And he's the. He's. He's very. He's very interested in the having a girlfriend.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. He's like, the perks of a girlfriend. Girlfriend. He's like, this is nice. She's pretty. I get to hang out with her. I get the emotional support constantly. Every day. I get to. I get to call this person whenever I'm bothered. We also get to have some sex. It's a lot of fun. And then all of a sudden, she was like, hey, listen, great. Here's some requests I need for as a boyfriend. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Natalie]

I did not know that this went both ways.

[Nick Viall]

I can't talk to women. This is crazy.

[Sierra]

What do you want me to do with my days?

[Natalie]

I can't flirt with my very hot friend Sierra all the time. I just have treat her like a human being. Are you kidding me?

[Sierra]

The way his brain couldn't process Sierra being like, fine, you want to throw me under the bus and act like I'm doing something to you? This is what it's like to not.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Have me around, and then he's immediately, like, sierra's acting weird. Sierra's being, like, really weird towards me. I don't know what's going on.

[Nick Viall]

I do think she is acting weird. I don't think she's. I think she's playing into it too. I'm just saying.

[Natalie]

Well, sure. I think my biggest issue with Jesse is, like, he seems like a great guy. Like, he seemed like good person to be friends with, but, however, I have an issue where, like, like, where a lot of men have this relationship with women that they are quote, unquote friends with, but they are never friends with them. They see them as a potent, as potential.

[Nick Viall]

Are we talking about Jesse or are we talking about Jesse and Sierra? Sierra.

[Natalie]

Jesse and Sierra. And it's like, you cannot actually be friends with a woman when your only interest in them is, like, whether they may not. Whether they may want to have sex with you.

[Nick Viall]

You know what the test is? This is real From a, From a perspective of a man. If Sierra were to get naked in front of Jesse, Jesse would not look away. Yeah, you're not friends. You know what I'm saying?

[Sierra]

I would say crazy going with this.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Jesse wouldn't be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

[Nick Viall]

My women friends that are, like, straight and I'm straight and we hang out with. There. There. There could be another ver. Universe or version where, like, maybe we dated, like, and I'm like, hey, we're just friends. If I walked into a room and, like, they are a close with love, I'd be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Like, oh, my God. Like, Jesse would not just. He'd go, whoa. And he would try to linger and keep talking. Trying not make the word, but not. Yeah, he'd be like, oh, my God. Great hits.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

They're like, jesse, can you, can you.

[Natalie]

Turn around really quick?

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's just.

[Natalie]

It pisses me off because then it's like, he's gonna be like, no, she's just my friend. I'm like, no, you don't see her as a person. You see her as a potential, like, like interest. And that is all she is to you. It's like, it, it just. It really infuriates me.

[Sierra]

Sorry to go back to the tan line porn, but I honestly thought that that was very wholesome of Carl.

[Nick Viall]

You love Carl too much?

[Sierra]

No, I, I, I just. I think he's made a lot of growth, and I think that just, like, that's such a wholesome thing versus, like.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Incest or, like, yeah, he wasn't like, oh, I want to see.

[Nick Viall]

Like, it was definitely no less or more weird than massage porn from Jesse.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Or whatever the west said.

[Nick Viall]

High quality.

[Sierra]

He's like, I can't even go back.

[Natalie]

To Let me give all my subcategories. But you know what? He's honest.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, that was.

[Nick Viall]

But I. I agree though, with you, though. I don't like in West. Jesse and west are like, yeah, they're not. They're the boy who someday is going to be a husband. We watched lady in the Tramp last night with a daughter.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Beautiful.

[Nick Viall]

It is. It really. It also holds up, by the way.

[Natalie]

Live action or animated?

[Nick Viall]

Animated. Live action.

[Natalie]

Thank God.

[Nick Viall]

Thank God. Animated.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We only show her movies from the 1920s.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay. Retro.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Didn't it come out like 1930?

[Nick Viall]

No, 55.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's really old. All I knew is that it was really fun.

[Justin]

1955. Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

It's historically accurate. No, lady and the Tramp is a whole movie like the Tramp in the male dog. They're slut shaming the male dog. And the whole version of is just like, he's a dog and he's just going to be a dog until someone settles him down. And honestly, that's west and Jesse, which is like, as much as we're talking shit on them. As much as like, west got his. Like, basically he got crucified last season.

[Justin]

Crucified.

[Nick Viall]

Jesse west did a little bit.

[Sierra]

He said the dramatics.

[Justin]

No, I love it. I'm here for this.

[Nick Viall]

They didn't stop them from them doing them, you know what I'm saying? Because they can get away with it because like, we, we roll our eyes and criticize, like shitty behaviors from men, but at the end of the day, like, like there always will be another lady who's going to fall for their bullshit. And until then that stops happening, they'll just gonna. They're just gonna do them.

[Sierra]

Well, the Internet. So it's our fault? Yes.

[Nick Viall]

No, the Internet's just like, they're not gonna stop.

[Sierra]

The Internet used a photo of the two of them on the bed with their little legs crossed and they said, this is who greets you in the situationship gates of hell. And it was Jesse and Wes.

[Natalie]

Very, very Sierra.

[Justin]

What do you think of Carl kind of hitting on Sierra?

[Nick Viall]

That was brutal again.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it hurts, but it was just. He's just so wholesome and it was like innocent. And he was just like, maybe I'll shoot my shot.

[Natalie]

He was like, let me have a sit down conversation and just Tell her how I feel. What happens.

[Nick Viall]

Carl is the type of man that I think Sierra should go for that she never will.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Some people referred to him as like, I can't remember if it was in the show or like, if it was outside, but they referred to him as the Mr. Rogers of summer house. And I was just like, it.

[Nick Viall]

It.

[Tyler]

It's so true.

[Natalie]

But also like, Sierra would be an idiot to go for Carl because, like, Lindsay would literally the.

[Nick Viall]

The forget. Forget about Lindsay and whatever in the name. And that probably was just like a show romance. But like, Carl is the type of guy that I think Sierra is not going for.

[Sierra]

That she should.

[Nick Viall]

That she should be going for.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

That like, is willing to just, you know, it's not that Carl was flawed.

[Natalie]

The difference between Carl and Jesse is Carl sees Ciara as a person and is attracted to that person. And Jesse thinks she's hot and is purely going off of well.

[Nick Viall]

And Carl's willing to lead with, hey, I'm into you. Like, I have a crush where Jesse wants to be like, damn, that leg's.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Turning me on right now. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Or like, you know, just be like, oh, that was kind of a stupid joke. No, Jesse's gonna, like, make fun of Ciara for a while before he gives her any, like, attention tension, and she's gonna eat that up.

[Justin]

Sierra did react to Carl saying, I love Carl, but I was not expecting that. But I get it. No, I'm just kidding. And then she said she referred to the friendship as a special relationship and revealed we did have a lot of quality time this summer and it was so great to get to know him in a different light. So she's friend zoning him.

[Sierra]

They did have like a little bit of chemistry her first season. I think it was season six where it was just like, we don't know where she's gonna go. But then she was talking to Luke, so it was wasted. And then Carl's brother passed and everything. But they had a very, very, very sweet relationship even from the start of meeting.

[Justin]

So I think it's like friendship.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I'm very invested in the. In the rest of Lexi and Jesse's relationship. Especially after Washy, Lexi just absolutely dominate. I mean, it was really great.

[Sierra]

And if I'm not invited to the next snooze fest, I'm gonna rampage.

[Natalie]

Summer house. Can you send us the party? Full link.

[Sierra]

Can I put myself on a list, please? Thank you.

[Justin]

I'm also curious about Amanda's storyline the rest of the season because the reunion seating chart was Released and she's first chair. So I'm like, happens with Amanda.

[Nick Viall]

What did you do to deserve that?

[Justin]

Yeah, and maybe not. Maybe she, she deserves it anyways.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But I'm like, what was the last time she was first chair?

[Justin]

I don't think she ever was first chair.

[Sierra]

And if so, it would have been probably like the season that Kyle cheated or something, like season two or three. But like, she doesn't really have a lot besides like launching. She's just kind of like, just like the fun friend that's there and like Kyle's partner. But like, clearly something has to happen because it's Paige and Amanda flanking him. But she also responded to it saying, like, she was also shocked by the seating chart.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So.

[Sierra]

So like, we're all just like, what?

[Nick Viall]

I'm not saying this with judgment, more an amazement because again, as a. I'm a person who got married later in life. Like, I've. I've certainly had my fun in my 30s, you know, yada, yada. But the level of partying these men do when they were showing that scene, like, this is how boys hang out at night. Like when they come home to the bars and it's like three in the morning and they're like microwaving like chicken nuggets and fries all at the same time. Like, again, I've had my fun. I've been selfish. Me and my wife even went to Stagecoach this weekend. You know what I'm saying? We're not above, like still having fun, but like, we still. We were in bed by 11:30 on Friday. You know, like Tyler in Tate, Texas, like, hey, you still that Stagecoach, like in bed, you know, I don't remember the last time. I think I was like 26, 27 when like, I would go out to the barge with my friends and come back and play video games and eat food late night in the fact that like, they're still doing it is just I impressive all at the same time, but crazy. We were at Stagecoach and we were talking. We were talking to some people and they were like, oh, you guys going to the parties afterwards? And I'm like, I've. I don't do cocaine. And I didn't realize this because, like, aloof Nick sometimes doesn't pay attention to the surroundings. But this, I. I found out that this particular person just got done doing cocaine after I said, I don't do cocaine, but I didn't see them do cocaine. And Nellie was like, did you say that on purpose? I'm like, no, they were doing, huh? And there was. Anyway, so there's a whole world of drugs out there that we're not privy to. But I just don't get how you stay up that late as an adult.

[Natalie]

Cocaine.

[Justin]

Pasta.

[Natalie]

Yeah, pasta babies.

[Nick Viall]

If it's 3am and you're partying and you're an adult.

[Natalie]

Four loco and a line.

[Nick Viall]

How do you do it?

[Natalie]

The people do it.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. I'm not saying anyone's doing anything. Some people are not. But that person was.

[Sierra]

I was gonna say I stay up late with my best friend, but we sing Disney shows wasted off of Rose till like three in the morning. Yeah, it's pretty wholesome.

[Justin]

That's cute.

[Tyler]

Pretty wholesome.

[Nick Viall]

See, that's another explanation other than drugs. Hard drugs at least.

[Sierra]

Yeah, Disney keeps us going.

[Justin]

Disney is a drug.

[Nick Viall]

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[Kelsey Anderson]

Yay.

[Tyler]

I'm happy to be back, happy to have you.

[Nick Viall]

I was just like, you know what, we need to have Kelsey on the show. We don't want Joey.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And then we ran into Joey and we're like, sorry, Joey. We were only having Kelsey. He's like, honestly, she's better without me. We're like, okay, great.

[Tyler]

No, I feel like at the beginning it was always nice having him as like my em support, like, you know, person because I was always so nervous. But now I feel like I Kind of, you know, I can talk on my own now. I have my own. I have my own person now.

[Nick Viall]

For, like, how long into your, like, engagement, being public, did you. Because I think people don't talk. Not till I'm trying to have some sort of therapy session with you or not, you know, but, like, people don't talk a lot about how the winner, regardless of which season, is, like, one of the worst positions to be in while it's airing and filming. Because I think the winner does not get a very similar experience than the rest of the people in the cast because they all feel like they get to be friends and they all have one thing in common against you that none of them do is that, like, he picked you and he broke up with all of them.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then you get to hang. You know, it's like this weird kind of dynamic, and, like, some of the women are able to still make friends with the other women. Sometimes there's a little bit of tension. We recently talked to Juliana, who, you know, kind of echoed that same sentiment about feeling a little, like, isolated from the rest of the women. But, like, what has that experience been like for you? Do. Did you relate to it and how did you enjoy Joey? You know, eventually kind of work through it to, like, find your voice to, like, feel. Did. Did you guys talk about it? Did you have to say, I kind of want to do my own interviews? Because, you know, at first it's just like, Joey and Kelsey, let's bring them on together. Like, it's like, as a pair, you guys are like, we always want to see the couple. Does it. Does it get annoying?

[Tyler]

Honestly, no. I mean, like, I always told Joey, I was like, I love being your fiance, but I also want us to always be like, our individual selves. And a lot of it was like, Kelsey from the Bachelor, like, Kelsey, Joey's, you know, So I feel like that was hard at the beginning, but now I feel like we've kind of been able to, like, find our own paths. And I think that social media has helped me with that a lot, like, being on Tick Tock and, like, posting videos and stuff and showing more of my personality, because I feel like the show, you know, they only want to show really, like, the love story. They didn't really show, like, who I was, I think, fully, which is fine. You know, there's a lot of things that they were recorded. But I also feel like I just lucked out in the end because I'm friends with, like, pretty much all of the girls. Like, I don't know, I feel like Joey season maybe was an anomaly. Like where it's just. I don't know, like all the girls, like, I'm still really close with. I hung hang out with Daisy and Rachel a lot because they live here and Leia and. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like we've been able to figure it out after. But at the beginning I was kind of like. I felt like I was his just like sidekick. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. That's tough. And you were at Stagecoach this weekend?

[Tyler]

Yes, I was.

[Nick Viall]

Did you have fun?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

When did you get back?

[Tyler]

I got back at 2:00am Well, I.

[Nick Viall]

Left at 2:00am Impressive. How do you. Do you often stay up late? Are you a night owl?

[Tyler]

Honestly, I feel like I don't get the best sleep in general. Like, I just don't sleep a lot. I can like run on. No. No sleep.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

God, Joey is not like that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Such a powerhouse. If you, if you ever want to become a mom, you like crushing.

[Tyler]

Joey, I feel like would be struggling. I will be the one that, you know, can definitely stay up later. I. I don't know. I'm really good at just surviving off minimal sleep.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Tyler]

It's a talent.

[Nick Viall]

I can never do that. Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Did you get in any, like, fights with anyone? Stage coach or.

[Tyler]

Did I get any influences, like. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It's funny, the Internet thinks you were fighting.

[Tyler]

Yes, so funny. No, I said that I did not know who the person was. Like, I obviously know who Alex is. I follow her on social media. I've met her a couple times. She's super sweet. But. Yeah, I don't know. They took two scenarios of like, what she was talking about than what I was talking about, which. Which were definitely different scenarios. And then somehow put it together and Joey sent it to me and was like, did you see this? And I was like, what the heck? I was like. He was like, you weren't talking about her, right? I was like, no, I was like, you were there.

[Natalie]

You would have realized.

[Tyler]

I think she also commented under something being like, I was not talking about Kelsey. I was talking about like a woman that was like in her like 40s or 50s. Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

No, and I was talking. I don't know who it was.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I was not talking about a little girl.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, just a little baby. A little teeny, perfect, cute, blonde, talented, super talented.

[Tyler]

No, no, I.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You did recently like open up about like your BBL that you got.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And how are you feeling? Like post search.

[Tyler]

No, when I tell you. No, I didn't get bbl.

[Nick Viall]

Like, what have I been missing?

[Tyler]

No, no, no, Wait, you didn't notice when I walked in?

[Nick Viall]

I tend not to look.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, you know, yes, of course.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I'm wearing the baggy clothes on purpose.

[Nick Viall]

Those are baggy jeans.

[Tyler]

No, I made a video, like, joking about it, that I was like, oh, someone thought that I got my ears pinned back. And I was like, why am I getting ears pinned back? Allegations. Like, I'd rather BBL or Ozempic allegations. And then it, like, blew up somehow. Now. Now I'm telling you, like, people come up to me every single day and are like, how's the bbl? And stuff like this. And I'm like, oh, I did not expect it to blow up. Like, on any of my comment section, it's like, there's always at least a couple comments about bbl. And I'm like, I think that people think that it's for real.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You do have a funny way of, like, I feel like a lot of people in the public world will either, like, ignore comments, not read comments, not, like, acknowledge comments. And then some people get. Get like, mad and, like, fight back and argue with people. And then I feel like there's you who just, like, makes such light and just, like, goes with the joke kind of. When did you, like, start realizing that you were comfortable being, like, part of the joke?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tyler]

I just feel like. I don't know. I like to use humor to, like, get through things. And I feel like at first, whenever I got off the show, I would, like, read comments and they would hurt my feelings. And then Joey and I just started joking about them. And then I was like, you know what? Let me just make a video about this. This is funny. And it's my humor, and I. I. For whatever reason, people liked it. And so I was like, this is fun. It's a fun way to, like, kind of cope and just be like, eh, this is stupid. You know?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Now that you've been out of it for. Out of fascination for a while, and you're kind of settling into what you're doing. What. What is. What does Kelsey want to do?

[Tyler]

I don't know. Honestly, I still feel so new to this space, and I feel like navigating it is like you could go so many different directions, you know? I know that Joey, I feel like, has kind of found his. I think I'm still searching for it. I really like, like, I don't know, working with nonprofits and I like, you know, giving back to my community. But I also. I don't know. I feel like I do enjoy being, you know, on camera, period.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, I love giving back.

[Nick Viall]

I love getting that money. But also, thank you for saying is, honestly, when you're like, I love volunteering, giving back. I was like, I know. And again, because it's like, I. We obviously, obviously very important, but the especially Bachelor Nation people are just so, like, programmed to, like, not talk about anything they want to do as an individual, to, like, take advantage of the opportunity they were given by going on this show. And to pretend they. All they want to do is find love and volunteer is just a little, like, nauseating.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Also be on tv.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna lie.

[Nick Viall]

I enjoyed it. A lot of competition shows out there.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that I definitely. And I talked to Joey. Joey and I talked about this recently where it's like, I feel like he. He kind of not that. Like, I hate being associated with the Bachelor franchise. Like, I feel like they, you know, gave me so much like, Joey and I, you know, he gave me. They gave me Joey. But I just feel like Joey was able to separate himself slightly from it and be like his own individual self through Dancing with the Stars. And I was like, I kind of want to be able to do the same thing where it's like, kind of separate myself, maybe show myself a little bit more in a different setting on a different TV show.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So.

[Tyler]

So I think that that is something that I would like to do is, like, go on a different show.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I had a rumor that Joey might be going on Traders.

[Tyler]

Oh, did you? Do we think that he would be a traitor or a faithful.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, she's not answering that question. No, I don't know.

[Tyler]

I don't think that he is, but. But maybe he is.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Maybe he hasn't told me yet. I'm pissed.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, I'm. I'm engaged to him, but I don't know what's going on in his life. It's fine.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I feel like he would probably be a faithful.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I think he. Well, he had better be careful because he's definitely Mr. Like. Well, Mr. Popular. Mr. Joey. Any. A lot of people might be like, oh, he would make the perfect trader.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's how I feel.

[Nick Viall]

Like, people get in trouble. People get in trouble.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Being nice.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Just being nice, right? It's like either being nice or, like, not being nice. And then people being like, well, you were talking to everybody, but you weren't really talking to me. And that makes me Think.

[Tyler]

Right. I feel like you could play it, like, whichever way you play it, somebody can just go for you. You know what I mean? It's like everyone's a target.

[Nick Viall]

But the golden retriever does very well on traders.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Peter Weber, Dylan.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And Joey's very golden retriever.

[Tyler]

Yes, he is. Yeah. Little sweetie boy.

[Nick Viall]

If you're a dog, what kind of dog are you?

[Tyler]

Oh, actually, we talked about this recently. I'm a boxer.

[Nick Viall]

Interesting. Very allergic to them.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh, no.

[Nick Viall]

Say more.

[Tyler]

No, they're just, like, dorky animals, but, like, they're kind of cute, but they're just, like, very, like, clumsy and, like. Yeah, spastic. And I feel like that's definitely me.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Nick, do you feel like you are deaf?

[Tyler]

Jeff?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Kind of our dog, Jack.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. A little prickly, sensitive, grumpy. A little bit grumpy. But all in all, like, a pretty good dog.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But, like, he's.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He's a damn good dog. He's a loyal, like, he loves you, and he is a damn good dog. But he's a little, like, when you come near him, you know, I was like, not again.

[Nick Viall]

Like, Jeff hates our daughter.

[Tyler]

Oh, really?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Does he?

[Nick Viall]

Steve loves our daughter.

[Tyler]

Growl at her.

[Nick Viall]

Jeff is first. She's just like.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So every time she comes near him, he gets up and moves like, he's like, don't even think about coming next to me. And then Steve is just like, we'll sit there and let her, like, crawl. And it's so sweet. But, you know, Jeff is definitely Jeff.

[Tyler]

He's, like, almost 4, so he's not like a great grandpa, like, grumpy dog. Yeah, he's just like.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, he's just like.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know.

[Sierra]

He's keeping tabs on you guys. He's like, first Steve, now River.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's too high.

[Nick Viall]

And honestly, if he. If he is like me, it's not that he hates River. He's just more like, I just don't care.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And after we watched lady in the Tramp last night, and after watching lady in the Tramp, it did make me understand Jeff a little bit bit more.

[Nick Viall]

Truly, honestly, lady and the Tramp acting out callback. Very accurate. Like, in terms of the. Of the owner dog relationship when they have a dog. And it's just like, when we got Jeff, he was really our baby. And it was like, we got Jeff early in our relationship. It was my first dog. I really connected with Jeff in a way that, like, I just didn't think I would with a dog. And it was just like this Special relationship. But as soon as, like, you find out you're having a baby and the baby shows up, I mean, we still. I'm still obsessed with Jeff, and he's like, they're. We're very lucky to have our dogs, but for the first time in Jeff life, in Jeff's life, he was a dog.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, as opposed to being, like, this little furry man.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It was like, shut up, stop working.

[Nick Viall]

And lady and the Tramp really encapsulizes, like, that. That transition.

[Tyler]

How do y'all deal with. Because y'all travel a decent amount. Well, maybe not so much now with river, but, like, how was that having a dog and, like, traveling? Because Joey and I want to get a dog so bad, but we're like. We just can't get.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Because we travel.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I mean, it depends on what kind of dog you get. Some you can, like, bring with you.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Do you bring Jeff around? We do, yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We usually bring Jeff and Steve with us. It was a lot easier.

[Nick Viall]

A lot of training, but.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, a lot of training. It was a lot. It was a lot easier before River.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Obviously that we only have two hands. Yeah. So we. We will have to, like, bring my mom to help with River. You know, there's a lot of moving parts. You know what I'm saying? But it's not. Not doable.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

It requires resources.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It does, yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

If you are. Guys are on the, like, Miss Independent tour.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I wouldn't.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, noted.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And you're definitely headlining.

[Tyler]

Like, that's not going to be on his birthday list then.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Was that on his, like, before 30, like, need to get a dog?

[Tyler]

No, thank goodness.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No.

[Tyler]

But he was like, oh, maybe I want a dog for my birthday. Because I'm always like, what do you want for your birthday? Because I, you know, I've got my own ideas of, like, lists and stuff, but at the same time, I'm like, is there anything you want?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Has Joey's bucket list ever, like, gotten annoying?

[Tyler]

I think that he realized, like, oh, this is a lot. Like, oh, we got a lot of things to do. We're going to Japan, I think, in two weeks. So, yeah, for, like, five days. Days. So we're in it, you know.

[Georgia Hasarati]

How long is that flight?

[Nick Viall]

Four days.

[Tyler]

No, I think we're literally losing a day going and coming back.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Wow.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay. Happy birthday.

[Nick Viall]

I've heard nothing but amazing things.

[Tyler]

No, yeah, we're really excited. But it was so funny. He was like, maybe we should golf one of the days. I was Like, Joey, we're gonna be there for five days. Do you really want to.

[Georgia Hasarati]

18 holes?

[Nick Viall]

I was like, do you really want.

[Tyler]

To use a whole day for golf? I was like, this is your birthday thing.

[Nick Viall]

So, Joey. Is Joey big into golf?

[Tyler]

Oh, my God, yes. He's, like, obsessed. Joey is a big golfer. We've been going, like, a bunch of golf events, and he got me, like, my own clubs, so. Wow.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He's like, listen, you can come with. I got you those clubs.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So, you know, we're a golf couple. I just, like, kind of plug in, you know? I'm like, let me just hit that over there.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, that's.

[Nick Viall]

So how is Dad's love life? Still in love?

[Tyler]

Yes, still in love.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We saw. I saw your dad and his.

[Tyler]

Yes. Girlfriend.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They're like, official. Yeah. At that Hulu event, did they go.

[Nick Viall]

Through the we're dating but not boyfriend and girlfriend stage? Like, seems to be the case nowadays in dating culture?

[Tyler]

I don't think so. I feel like they are pretty, you know, you know, old school. I think he asked.

[Nick Viall]

She's not my girlfriend, but we are definitely exclusive.

[Tyler]

No, actually, we were at, like, a lunch or something. No, we went to dinner with, like, Barb's daughters, and it was like, Joey and I and my dad, we were at dinner, and he was like. So I asked Barbara to be my girlfriend and announced it for everybody. I was like, that is wonderful.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Beautiful. Now can we get the lobster? Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, we're debating whether we want Nano, his mom, to go and go to the Bachelor.

[Tyler]

Oh, my gosh. Really?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, we're. We're debating. I. It's. She's in the process now where it's like, she's done all the, like, interviews and stuff, and now it's, like, waiting.

[Nick Viall]

She's.

[Georgia Hasarati]

She's just, like, waiting to hear what's going on.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know? And she said that. She was like, should I just message them and be like, hey, would love an update. Or else, like, would love to do something else with my summer. Like, you know, would love to make plans. And she said they responded being like, hey, thank you so much for reaching out. We don't know.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

She was like, okay.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, we fired everybody, but.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So not sure what. What we're doing, but, like, stay in touch.

[Tyler]

Well, what did y'all think about. Did she think that the Golden Bachelor was cute?

[Nick Viall]

She said to me, I would have dated him in high school.

[Tyler]

Oh, there we go.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

So I do think she loves a big, burly Athlete.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But I feel like I'm just, I don't. I feel like the public eye.

[Nick Viall]

Straight up. Straight up. Did your dad in any way at all just become ever. Just the slightest diva. Diva, where you were just like, you know, we're just like, as I said to Nelly's mom, like, you know what? It's like, this is not normal.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

It changes you. It just changes your brain chemistry. And most of it is understandable. Like the, like some. The way people interact with you, treat you, it's weird. And you have to change your behavior because of how people change your behavior towards you at the same time. Like, it's hard to like, not have it change you a little bit. So it was just more like, do I want to deal with my mother in law?

[Tyler]

Right. Becoming a little diva.

[Nick Viall]

She's a wonderful person. But I'm just curious. Your dad seems down to earth and normal and, and we've heard nothing but good things. But like, son to like, father, daughter. Like, was it. Was there ever, like, oh, God, no.

[Tyler]

I feel like it's. He's like kind of awkward with it. Like, he's like very like, oh, my God. Gosh. Like, they wanted a picture with me. Like, still. Like, he's like, oh, my gosh.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's not like.

[Tyler]

But sometimes I'm like, yeah, just take the picture. Come on, let's move on. Like, come on. No, I feel like he's like more just like slightly uncomfortable, but also thinks it's kind of fun. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Did Barbara slide into his DMs or like, how did they become. Did he know who she was? When?

[Tyler]

I don't think, I don't think he ever watched the show. I. I didn't. One of my sisters did. So she knew who she was, but I think that her manager reached out to my dad actually. I think she saw him actually on my Season with Joey and saw him at our hometowns. My season at our hometowns. And yeah, I think that she was like, wait, I want to talk to that man.

[Sierra]

And how did he react to that?

[Tyler]

They would like talk on the phone for a while. Then he came into LA and they went on a date. And yeah, I think he thought she was cute, but they're a cute couple. I know.

[Nick Viall]

I will say, speaking of how people met, have you. You probably haven't. I. I've been following the story. It was the NFL draft this weekend as well, in addition to our anniversary.

[Sierra]

Missed that one.

[Nick Viall]

Shocker. Have you followed Bill Belichick's. Do you even know who Bill Belichick is.

[Tyler]

Yes. He's dating the like 25 year old.

[Georgia Hasarati]

She's in, she's engulfed in football. I mean, she's wasn't sure about. You're like a big Vikings fan, right? Yeah, yeah, she's.

[Nick Viall]

She's in the.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'm like, you know, I dabble in it.

[Nick Viall]

Well, our, our first year anniversary was on Sunday. And on Sunday, Sunday also, there was a CBS Good morning news report. Like, Bill Belichick sat down, did an interview with CBS this Morning, and it would, let's just say, like, no correlation, no connection between us, but like, it just was like, they did. They do not represent age gaps. Age gaps in the way we would like people to represent age gaps.

[Sierra]

And what way would you like people to represent age gaps?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Well, with like, you know, hope and.

[Nick Viall]

And, and just like positivity.

[Sierra]

Yeah, we're not talking about this.

[Nick Viall]

Normalizing. Just like the healthy ones. Yeah, he's, you know, there. He's Bill Belichick, for those of you don't know. He's arguably the most, the best NFL coach ever in the history of coaching. He's one of the most Super Bowls, I believe he's up there, you know, second most games in general. And throughout his career, he famously has made journalists and other beat reporters who follow these teams scared to even ask questions. He's a very intimidating interview. And he's sitting down in this interviewer and the guy gets into like, talking about his new relationship and they pull back and then they. He's like, how did you guys meet? And in the background, his new girlfriend is like, we're not answering that question. It's just like you're answering for Bill Belichick in a way that's just like, why can't you answer that question of how you met? Just like, if just say at a bar.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Mutual friends.

[Tyler]

You could be very.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We're not talking about this. It does make us wonder why you're not talking about it.

[Sierra]

But then they brought up the Instagram post where it's like him laying down on the bed beach and like, she's on top of his legs and like, whatnot. It's like you guys are doing very Instagram coupley things. Why would you not want to talk about your relationship?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Right.

[Sierra]

You don't have to put it out there.

[Nick Viall]

But the way she's like, in charge of that aspect of their, like, as she's up running like a pr, like, I couldn't imagine. I'm not even Bill Belichick. And the way, like, if Natalie and I, in the first couple months of us dating, I was doing interviews, and then Natalie was in the background being like, we're not. We're not answering that question.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Question. Don't ask it again. Could you imagine?

[Nick Viall]

It's like, what high end escort service did you reach out to to meet your girlfriend? Because that's what now the entire Internet is speculating being, like, what. Why? Why don't you want to answer that question? It's not even like a hard, like. Like, okay, you're dating. There's an age gap. Whatever. Like, fine. You know, like, we like to think that looks matter, but, like, he very.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Much looks his age and at the right page of 77.

[Tyler]

Is he 77?

[Georgia Hasarati]

How old is he? I don't know.

[Sierra]

He's. He's.

[Nick Viall]

He's.

[Tyler]

She's 20.

[Sierra]

She's 24.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Four.

[Nick Viall]

Four. Okay. But very 73.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like, she's. Maybe she just want, like, you know, like, listen, a lot of what we say, like, it.

[Georgia Hasarati]

A lot of it, Matt, a lot of it depends on looks, age gaps.

[Nick Viall]

Well, also, like, where you are in your time of life. And, like, do you feel like you're each other's equals? Can you give the same energy?

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, for sure.

[Nick Viall]

For sure.

[Sierra]

She was saying that next.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I was also. I was going to go into that next. But it does. I feel like a lot of it does matter on where you are. And maybe she's like, listen, I don't want any of that at all. I just, like, want, you know, kind of like Dave Portnoy's girl. Like, he's made it very clear he's not having children and he's not remarrying. You know? Like, I think he's still currently married to his first wife, and it's like, why him and Silvana broke up. And now he just has gone, like, public with his new girlfriend, who's a young blonde, and it's like, listen, if she's not looking to, like, get married and have kids right now, then, like, have fun.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know, period.

[Nick Viall]

Anyways, this next time. Next time someone asks how you met, at least lie.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No.

[Nick Viall]

So many easy options.

[Tyler]

I know. I'm going to be.

[Nick Viall]

I slid into his dm.

[Tyler]

We met at a bar.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Crazy grocery store.

[Tyler]

Sounds believable.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Honestly, should we get into Dorit and pk?

[Nick Viall]

Mm.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I know you're not a big fan of reality tv, but Dorit Kimsley, she is a Beverly Hills housewife.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Georgia Hasarati]

She's going through a little separation and kind of the Whole season. It was like, are they gonna get back together? Like, are they gonna make it work? What's going on? And PK was seen making out with another blonde reality TV star over the weekend, and she looked very similar to his legally wife, Dorit Kimsley, and. Which then made her file for divorce.

[Nick Viall]

Like, the next day, like, saw the.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Photo and was like, and I'm done. Yep, wrap it up.

[Sierra]

That'll do it.

[Nick Viall]

Then he went on Instagram.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, he went on Instagram and made. Do we have his.

[Sierra]

He said, no one plays the victim better than the one who caused the.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Damage on a black screen.

[Tyler]

Mysterious.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Mysterious. PK does love a, like, notes app.

[Sierra]

Comic Sans.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. Yeah. It was a weird font.

[Nick Viall]

It was a very weird font. It was like. It was. It was a weird font.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He, like, you watched him, like, scroll through the fonts and, like, play with a couple of them, and then he landed on that one.

[Nick Viall]

He took away his power by going with that font.

[Sierra]

It looks like I wrote this myself.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It took away his power. It really did.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. It was like. It was like an old man putting on a shirt that he thought was cool without asking any of his friends if he should step out, you know?

[Sierra]

And he's always just sending these written statements or, like, feeling the need to shut down a room or whatever with just, like, black screen, white font. But the woman he was making out with was on the season 12 of the Amazing Race, and she's also dated Ryan Seacrest in the past. So I think that they're all just kind of probably in the same circle circles, but it is shocking how much she.

[Nick Viall]

What same circle?

[Sierra]

Is that just entertainment in general in la?

[Nick Viall]

I would feel like I am curious. What is it about PK that is.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, it does make me judge this woman more than it does make me judge pk, because I am confused at, like, what.

[Nick Viall]

What's he working? What's like, what? Like, I get. I get mo.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know? I get mo.

[Nick Viall]

I get mo.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Tall, sexy. Still got the looks. Seems to be pretty rich still. And then PK is kind of like, maybe in debt.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Alcoholic. We know that. Recovering. Not sure the state of his.

[Nick Viall]

Do you know who. What these people look like? Bring them up, Bring them up.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Bring them up side by side.

[Tyler]

Beverly Hills Housewives. I feel like so many of my friends watch Housewives, and I'm always like, oh, I need to get into it. But then I just.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You do.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You do. Yeah. This is pk.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Sierra]

And that's his wife, Dorit. Go to the third photo over. And that is the new woman he was caught making out with.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, where are they? Do it.

[Nick Viall]

Does it say now, do we think these are staged pop photos or not?

[Tyler]

Anytime I see paparazzi pictures, I always think it's staged. I think it's.

[Natalie]

Well, okay. P. His biggest thing is that he's Boy George's manager. No one's stalking him.

[Nick Viall]

No. Well, no, his biggest thing right now is he's the husband of a housewife who's famously kind of messy online and going through a very public divorce. And that, like, that would drive a paparazzi to. To pay attention.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

Not everyone is staged. I'm. I'm.

[Sierra]

I'm Natalie. It was outside Chani's.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh, yes, of course.

[Nick Viall]

If it's a good looking photo of both people, chances are it's staged.

[Sierra]

Well, like, also, he's not trying to hide it. If he's at Chipriani, it's the same Chani.

[Nick Viall]

I'm not familiar.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Isn't like an Italian restaurant?

[Sierra]

Yeah, an Italian restaurant. Really popular in New York. I guess we have one in Beverly. Beverly Hills area. But it's like going to Craig's or something where it's like, you don't think paparazzi. Paparazzi is going to be out there.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

So he wanted to be seen. Whether he called them himself, I don't know. But this is what's jarring to me.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. If he showed up to Craig's with a new lady, that's on purpose.

[Sierra]

It's the same person.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Like. And that's his wife. That's crazy.

[Natalie]

He's trying. He's also publicly posting on his Instagram stories, like, dramatic, dramatic things. So he's doing this on purpose.

[Nick Viall]

And what do we think his purpose is?

[Natalie]

To piss off Dorit.

[Sierra]

To win the divorce.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, what is. Sure. But what is winning the divorce looking.

[Sierra]

Like you're the most moved on and I guess settled. He's trying to make it seem like she's causing all of this drama where it's just like you don't have to react to it either.

[Nick Viall]

Well, he's. Yeah. If anything, he's giving. We're divorced. We've been going through a divorce. Whatever she's doing publicly, I've no idea. But in reality, we're getting divorced.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And you are following what she's doing.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I think he doesn't want to lose his diamond. I think that's what's going on.

[Nick Viall]

That's the thing. He's also very involved in housewives for Guys supposed to not give a. He's very petty.

[Natalie]

He posted on his Instagram stories. No one plays the victim better than the one who caused the damage.

[Nick Viall]

Obviously, it'll never happen. What? It'll never happen. But never. But if. If. Let's say there was trouble in paradise, who do you think would be the messier of you two in a breakup?

[Tyler]

I honestly don't think either of us would, obviously.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's what Paige and Craig.

[Tyler]

No, like, act. Well, I just feel like, I don't know. You can't. I mean, if. If it was, it'd probably be me. Kelsey.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Kelsey would make a tik tok and be like, matter of fact.

[Tyler]

No joking. No. I just feel like neither of us are messy people. Like, I don't know. I don't think that I would ever be publicly messy. Like, I'd maybe, like, say something to my friends, like, if he may be upset and I'm sure vice versa. But, like, sure.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Saying you're friends publicly. No. The way real TV stars just can't just.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Just hold.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It does get crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Not say anything.

[Sierra]

What about Taylor, Frankie, Paul and Dakota over Stagecoach.

[Tyler]

I saw that.

[Nick Viall]

I'm having a hard time keeping up.

[Tyler]

Actually, because I watch Mormon.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we.

[Sierra]

That's not that. It's reality.

[Nick Viall]

Well, let me tell you, season two is an absolute banger. Yeah, season two.

[Tyler]

It's good.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It comes out.

[Nick Viall]

It's awesome.

[Georgia Hasarati]

May 12th.

[Nick Viall]

I've seen it.

[Tyler]

Oh, I'm excited.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, it's very good. But we have what, Dakota, like, blocked Taylor?

[Sierra]

Yeah, Dakota blocking Taylor. You have Taylor and Macy in a car doing a TikTok, being like, like, if you're done with your ex, move on to the next. And she's like, I guess I'm self sabotaging their relationship again. And then hours later, here's Taylor posting her and Dakota. Dakota licking her neck. And it's like, wait, what is.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But her caption was like, Stagecoach with my castmates. Like, it was like, not like Father of my. It wasn't like love. It was with my castmates.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Very busy.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I'm invested.

[Sierra]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Tyler]

I'm excited. I met all of them. Like, I feel like at multiple things now, and they seem. Seems so nice. And like whenever you see them together, you're like, oh, there's no drama. But then you watch the show and you're like, oh, my gosh.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, it's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

There's a lot of drama brewing.

[Sierra]

Oh, she actually edited her caption and said, I never let My heart go all the way with my castmates and co parent.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Thank you as Stagecoach for having us.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh. With my castmates and co parent.

[Nick Viall]

Co parent.

[Sierra]

Okay, clarification.

[Nick Viall]

Not even baby daddy.

[Tyler]

Co parent.

[Nick Viall]

Co parent.

[Natalie]

Very formal.

[Nick Viall]

Like they met in a science lab.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It is very formal.

[Nick Viall]

It's giving.

[Sierra]

Very formal.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Nothing says co parent like that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like licking my neck. It is like a hickey.

[Natalie]

Sierra brought up an interesting point earlier with the Mormon wives where it's like, what's the line between their real lives and what they're doing?

[Nick Viall]

I don't think they know.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I don't think.

[Sierra]

I think it's so blurred at this point because it's like I hate them on the show right now, but I'm actually best friends with them on TikTok.

[Nick Viall]

I never hate them on the show.

[Sierra]

No, I'm saying, like them hating each other on the show or it's like you hear all the drama about what's going to happen in the show and then you get on TikTok and it's like, no, they're literally hanging out together.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I would say. And what I love about them. Them is that, like, they are, well, more real than the average person. Because I do think, like a lot of times people, especially in la, they just like talk their behind your back. You know, it's just like, hate her and they're. They just. They say it to each other's faces.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then they move on. You know, they're kind of like. But a lot of. I mean, that's honestly fair. I'm not going to say it's healthy communication.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

But at least you know where they stand and they kind of get through it and it's all in the name of honesty of, like, you know, hey, we're Mormon, we can't lie. So, like, I think you're up. You know, like, I. Which I kind of love and respect and it makes for great tv. I mean, they are. I'm having a. Like, it's.

[Sierra]

I don't know who's friends. I don't know who's not. I don't know who's pregnant. I don't know who's not.

[Nick Viall]

This way. I've seen the whole season. It's awesome. And like, I'm still connected. Been, like, generally having a hard time keeping up. Are you confused?

[Sierra]

Because I'm confused.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I think the only person I'm clear on is Demi and Whitney are friends. Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They did, like, all their press together.

[Tyler]

Oh.

[Georgia Hasarati]

All their photos are together. I think that's like their buddies, but like the rest. I'm confused.

[Sierra]

And then they all posted to promote Vanderpump Villa. So then I'm seeing, like, everybody in the photos, and I'm like, who's friends with who?

[Tyler]

Wait, did they go to Vander? Did they? Okay, that's what I saw. I saw, like, a little snippet, and I was like, oh, and that's out.

[Sierra]

Now I'll be going home to watch that.

[Nick Viall]

They were trying to save that show.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Let's be honest.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I wonder if it did. Honestly, I wonder if it did.

[Sierra]

Yeah. They had to make some changes to the format because I think it was just so trying to do a below deck situation. So now they've kind of upped the ante with a almost game show aspect of it, where the people that are working at the villa, they're now competing for, like, the top spot as, like, pretty much employee of the season. And they'll win $30,000 plus a contract with Lisa Vanderpump, whether it's like, chef or whether, like, to work at one restaurants.

[Nick Viall]

$30,000 to work for Lisa, $30,000 to win. Sounds like minimum wage to me.

[Sierra]

But then you get an opportunity with Lisa.

[Nick Viall]

That sounds like minimum wage.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, it's like you win $30,000 and then you get a job. Minimum wage.

[Nick Viall]

There you go.

[Sierra]

They got nothing. Season one, and it didn't do well.

[Nick Viall]

Did we. Do we deserve the credit for making Lisa, like, separate herself from James Kennedy? I feel like that was all.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I wouldn't say we should take that, but I will say that maybe she did see a little something, and maybe someone asked her on a red carpet. Someone did ask Kristen Doty about our interview on a red carpet. So I don't find it that impossible that someone asked her about the phone call that she made to Ali Luber being like, hey, why would you convince her to go back to her abusive ex boyfriend? That seems toxic. And she was like, oh, I actually don't support him any longer. I'm separating myself from James Kennedy. Yeah, makes sense.

[Nick Viall]

But she is hiring someone for $30,000.

[Sierra]

Well, she's giving them $30,000 and then indebting them with a job.

[Nick Viall]

That sounds like a $30,000 job.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, bonus.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, sounds like minimum wage.

[Sierra]

And I will say what is interesting about the show is because I did think that Vanderpump Villa was going to be a set location and that she would try to get people to want to, like, go and reserve it or whatever. But last season was in France. This season's in Italy. So it's like just for the show. Like, there is no.

[Nick Viall]

There's no villa.

[Sierra]

There's no standing villa that you could go visit off Vanderbank.

[Nick Viall]

Villa is not real.

[Sierra]

It's not?

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Natalie]

That's the point.

[Nick Viall]

It's a house they rent.

[Sierra]

That's what I was confused about.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's an Airbnb.

[Sierra]

They're at a castle this time. But, like, it's.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Sierra]

When they're done with the castle, I guess they break it down and pick the next location.

[Tyler]

Break down the castle?

[Nick Viall]

Whatever they built in there are entire world is not real and fake.

[Sierra]

I would never expose somebody in such a way.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yes. It's crazy.

[Sierra]

Well, Jax Taylor was caught exposing his crotch in public. Joey would never.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Joey would never.

[Sierra]

Well, he's. Wait, who's this Jack Taylor from Vanderpump Wolves and the Valley? He was walking down the street, I guess, going into a grocery store. Paparazzi are there. And he decides to lower his pants to scratch. Scratch deep inside his pants and paparazzi got it all. This is fun.

[Nick Viall]

Is he wearing underwear?

[Natalie]

No, it's Jack, so probably not.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No, he like, full on is like. It's like a pull down and then a scratch. That's disgusting. This man has a child. This man has a son. Yes.

[Tyler]

Do you think that was, like, on purpose?

[Sierra]

It's just like, I can't understand whether or not he knew the paparazzi were there. It's just like, why would that ever be an appropriate thing for you to do out in public?

[Natalie]

Does he think he's like. It's like a fuck you to the paparazzi or something?

[Georgia Hasarati]

I don't know. But it's also like, I think he's crashing out right now because he was on, like, live and his publicist was like, get off right now. Stop what you're doing in the comments.

[Nick Viall]

Log off.

[Sierra]

He was on for, like, five minutes, talking about, like, how great he's doing, how he's been to rehab, how he's.

[Georgia Hasarati]

A changed man now. He's like, hey, everyone, I'm doing great. His public is like, you have to stop talking about. He's like, nah, I'm doing actually pretty good. She's like, get off. You're done.

[Nick Viall]

Feeling like my best self, finally, for the first day in a while, get the fuck off live.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Stop talking publicly right now.

[Sierra]

And he's no longer doing the podcast with Britney, so he started a new podcast called in the Mind of a Man Podcast.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's scary.

[Tyler]

I don't want to log out in.

[Nick Viall]

The mind of a man would never.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Want to be there.

[Nick Viall]

Never want to be there.

[Tyler]

We'll not be logging in.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Worst nightmare.

[Nick Viall]

Don't drop us all in with you Jacks.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, this should be the mind of Jax.

[Sierra]

He labeled himself a walking red flag, and he's wearing a shirt with ick on it, so he's really leaning into this branding. That's all I have to say on that, I guess.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Cheers. That's mezzo.

[Nick Viall]

The way we. The way we love her sinking ship.

[Sierra]

I just wanted to look away.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I will say, have you seen any of the kind of, like, influencers, not, like, under fire because it's not that big of a deal, but, like, people kind of giving them hate for, like, what they're naming their children. Have you seen any of this?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I feel like I've seen some. Is there any specific wild.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's gotten to the point, I think someone commented this of like, you're just, like, you're just naming objects. Like, these are not children. It's just like, some people are like, oh, like, here are names that we love but we're not using. And it's like, for our girl, we're thinking umbrella, and it's like, that's okay. We're losing the plot. Like, you've got it at some point, right? We got to reel it in 100%.

[Nick Viall]

Cities work.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Baby blue.

[Georgia Hasarati]

One of the names. Some colors work for sure.

[Nick Viall]

A city. Think about it. A city. A city could work. Madison, Memphis.

[Sierra]

Paris.

[Nick Viall]

Paris. Countries. No. Mexico. Canada.

[Natalie]

Bangladesh.

[Sierra]

Charlotte.

[Nick Viall]

Chile. Spoon. Like, some. Some things are just objects.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Bodies of water. Work.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

River.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Atlantic. Oh, lake.

[Nick Viall]

No, but ocean. Like, Pacific.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know, it's like, we also all. At some point, we're like, northwest is crazy to name your daughter. And now we're kind of like, we're with. Honestly.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Apple. Sorry, Gwen.

[Sierra]

Apple still gets me.

[Nick Viall]

It was always crazy. It's still crazy.

[Tyler]

How old is.

[Nick Viall]

She's an adult.

[Georgia Hasarati]

She's got to be grown by now. But that's the whole point.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I wonder what she.

[Georgia Hasarati]

When we went into naming river, like, you have to think about, like, yes, you are naming a cute little, like, girl with pigtails who's, like, super cute and rivy woozy and, like, so cute. Then you're naming, like, a girl who's in high school, and then you're naming, like, a CEO boss bitch who, like, is heading meetings, being like, hello, everyone. My name is Mexico Tarantula, and I am here to get. It's like, you have to at Some point.

[Nick Viall]

Point.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like I think at least you need to give them a normal middle name. Right.

[Tyler]

So that they have the option 100%. Also, my mom, she would rhyme our names with everything before we were born just to make sure we weren't going to get made fun of.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So smart, so thoughtful.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Kelsey, Belsie, Kelsey.

[Nick Viall]

Yep.

[Georgia Hasarati]

She's like that. Behind that. Yeah.

[Tyler]

My mom put so much thought into all to all of our names. Like my sister is Taylor, Victoria. And then my sister, other sister's Jordan, Elizabeth and both of our Nate. And then I'm Kelsey, Alexander Cassandra. So it's two syllable gender neutral first names and then our middle names are three syllable proper feminine queen names and you as queens. Yeah. She's like, I don't want them to be jealous of each other's names either.

[Georgia Hasarati]

One gets a queen and I get a princess.

[Tyler]

I only have two syllables.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

What? Wednesday.

[Tyler]

Wednesday.

[Nick Viall]

Remember Wednesday Adams. No.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's what I was just thinking.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, was it tomorrow? What was it yesterday? Afternoon.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Afternoon was Francesca Fargo's like on her list of we we aren't using what we love Afternoon. And everyone was like, girl, you can keep. Because I think she was like, I don't want to say this one yet because we might use it.

[Tyler]

What did she use?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Lock it in poetry.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay.

[Sierra]

But we'll see.

[Nick Viall]

That's a thing. That's just a thing.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know, and honestly I don't really give a. Because it's not my kids names. I don't have to call you that.

[Sierra]

That like somebody's kid's name is Rumble Honey.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Rumble Honey.

[Tyler]

There's also abity. Have you seen abcde?

[Sierra]

No.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Hello. Wow.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's like really good. Like I think whoever has a kid next, it should name them honestly.

[Nick Viall]

Like Mark.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah. Like the most basic name. And then it will be so unique.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know, because everyone's just going bonkers.

[Tyler]

I want, I want one of our kids, Joey and I's kids to like have a super Italian first name. Just because his last name's so Italian. Like I want him to be like, I don't know, like, like Luigi.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Luigi Graziere.

[Nick Viall]

Luigi might be taken.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Loves Giacomo's.

[Sierra]

Giacomo Giannotti.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh yeah.

[Sierra]

Giacomo Giannotti.

[Tyler]

We had him on it.

[Sierra]

Like that name.

[Tyler]

Right? You know, just a little.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But he also said he got like very bullied for it because he was like, it was very Italian. So I think he went by like Jack. Jack. Yeah, he went by Jack.

[Nick Viall]

No, I was really happy to realize that after we named River river river. That it's actually a fairly common name this year. A lot of boys are named river, but, like, she's like, it's common. And it's like, I don't think you want to be the kid in elementary or middle school or even high school with, like, everyone being like, wow, I've never heard that before. What is your name?

[Tyler]

Right?

[Natalie]

Huh?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like, that's. You're just setting your kid up for. They. There's so much pressure to be the coolest kid ever.

[Tyler]

Or they're just going to have to, you know, learn how to, I don't know, fight. Fight through life.

[Natalie]

I feel like teachers have to be like, the kids that are coming in with. With these teachers learning how to pronounce.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And spell them, you know, they're so nervous. I remembered my teachers being like, okay, everyone, you only have one name to remember, and I have 27, so cut me some slack.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And they'd be like, going down, being like, I'm gonna mess this up, so I'm just gonna go with your last name. If you could just tell me how to say that. Smith. What is your first name? Okay, got it. Thank you. They were all. And now I bet they're like.

[Natalie]

And now you have, like, apsity.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, you're like, this is just letters.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Christmas, you will never forget. Afternoon.

[Natalie]

You know who has a fun name and is really being talked about right now?

[Nick Viall]

JoJo Siwa.

[Natalie]

JoJo Siwa, your bestie.

[Nick Viall]

She is fresh off of Celebrity Brick Brother UK style. UK making waves. It started with her getting Mickey Rourke banished.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I mean, which honestly sounds like a lifetime. He got himself.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He.

[Natalie]

He portrayed a type of homophobia that.

[Nick Viall]

We have not seen in. He was ignorant and. Yeah. Giving very, like, old, outdated man. Yeah. Problematic. Yeah.

[Natalie]

80S action movie level. Terrifying.

[Nick Viall]

And then what? Like, she. She kind of sparked up a romance. Yeah. Got the Internet talking.

[Natalie]

Well, romance, maybe. Maybe, maybe. We don't know. This is all. Everyone just.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They were definitely, like, very Chris. Her and Chris were very.

[Nick Viall]

From Love island uk.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, they were very, like. They had a bond. They were holding hands.

[Natalie]

There was chemistry.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They were snuggling. They were like, kissing foreheads. They were, you know, showing affection. And Jojo comes out and says, you know what, everyone, I am not lesbian. I'm queer.

[Nick Viall]

Which the Internet really ran with. But it seemed that that was based off a level of ignorance, is it not, Mary?

[Natalie]

I think the biggest thing of this is that, well, it's normal for, like, someone who's, like, 21 to be figuring out their sexuality like, older. JoJo's 21. This is basically like her and, like, theater.

[Nick Viall]

We're basically watching Jojo go to college on tv.

[Natalie]

So, like, makes sense that you think that you're figuring stuff out. I think what gets. What gets tricky is when the branding comes into it, because now Jojo has kind of branded herself as, like, lesbian pop singer, and now she's like, like, well, queer. And everyone's like, Jojo. But she's allowed to do whatever she wants.

[Nick Viall]

But her re her former partner of recently a couple days ago.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Is non binary.

[Natalie]

Yes, they're non binary. So, like, it could, you know, But.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Cath, like, I guess sent like, a letter. They, like, all read letters from home. And in Jojo's letter from home, her mom writes, and Kath says they're very keen on seeing you when you get out. And Jojo was like, that's it? You're keen to see me? You don't miss me? You don't love me. You don't, like, can't wait to kiss me. Nothing. And so then as soon as Jojo exited Big Brother, there was a breakup with Kath.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Jojo went to the party, to the after party, and. And dumped them at the after party. And now everyone's like, okay, so what's going on?

[Nick Viall]

And now she's playing tennis with Chris. Chris.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So always providing us entertainment. Jojo Siwa, thank you so much for your service.

[Tyler]

Crazy. She's 21.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's crazy. She's grown up and, like, in front of our eyes.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

She's like, I haven't talked to her. I FaceTime her. When she got out of the house, she did not answer. Oh, and playing tennis. I hope to find out the tt.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Shortly. I hope to find out the tea.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

It's like, TT is a little too much. Much.

[Nick Viall]

Sorry.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Just a silly girl.

[Tyler]

He's trying to be hip.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Maybe that's your tea.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Who's trying to be hip?

[Nick Viall]

Nick.

[Natalie]

They don't say tea anymore.

[Nick Viall]

They don't?

[Natalie]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Soup.

[Sierra]

Yeah, they say soup.

[Nick Viall]

What do they say?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Spill me the soup pipe and hot soup.

[Nick Viall]

What do the gen zers say?

[Tyler]

No, I'm just with you.

[Sierra]

They say rad.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Cool. Cool. Dope.

[Sierra]

Tubular.

[Natalie]

Tubular.

[Nick Viall]

That's us. Kelsey. It's been fun.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yay.

[Tyler]

Thank you, guys. Plug Kelsey Anderson is my Instagram. And it's something like that with my Tik tok as well.

[Nick Viall]

Well, get the hell out of here. Up next, we have Georgia Hasarati to update her us on her life, obviously. First and foremost, everything that's going on. And she's got some crazy stories. It's wild. Also, she's on the new hit Netflix show Battle Camp. And yes, there will be spoilers up next. Georgia Hasarati. Well, I think you guys all know I'm kind of fancy. You know, I'm a little, I'm a little elitist at times sometimes I like things to be special. But it's important to have your staples, you know, your basics, your go to your old reliables, the things that you can count on when it comes to that fancy is out the door. It's about reliability and comfort. And that's where true costs come in for me because they are my go to for your staples when it comes to your wardrobe. Be it like socks, be it T shirts, be it undershirts, great shirts for like you know, especially when I like suit up and I want like a nice undershirt to wear underneath to keep everything tight. True Classic is the place for me.

[Georgia Hasarati]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Georgia Hasarati]

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[Nick Viall]

Georgia, how's it going? Welcome to the show. Welcome back.

[Kelsey Anderson]

So Good. I'm so glad to be back.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah. Last time you're here, it was depressed.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Wow.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I was going through it.

[Nick Viall]

Have you recovered from said drama?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes, thankfully.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I feel like you have entered like this whole new era of your life where it's like, I don't even associate you anymore with Too Hot to Handle or Perfect Match or like any of those shows. Like, I feel like you've made such a name for yourself outside of those shows.

[Nick Viall]

Have you risen above the people who brought you down?

[Kelsey Anderson]

100 and a big part of that was like, moving away. I moved to New York and I was like, wow, there are people here that don't care about this stuff. Like, they're doing stuff outside of social media. And I don't know, it just changed my whole perspective on everything. I was kind of like, why do I care about that? I know what these people are like. I don't need to tell everyone. Like, I know.

[Nick Viall]

Is there like. Is there like an in in. I mean, I think this is like a stupid rhetorical question, I suppose, because I feel like it's know the answer, but, like, is there like a influency, like, group in la? Like a. Like a. Like a circle of.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, definitely.

[Nick Viall]

And I feel like try hards.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. And I feel like when I moved here, it was my first experience of this place. So I kind of like, I'd see these people everywhere and I thought they were like, real and friends. And I kind of learned along the way that it's not many people you can trust in that influencery thing.

[Nick Viall]

Do they all drive nice cars and pay rent?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Literally. You nailed that. Summed.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Everyone's a house, but they all. All drive G wagons.

[Kelsey Anderson]

They've all got the fake, like, drip. I'm like, okay, like, it's enough.

[Nick Viall]

That's my favorite thing about them. It's like, you know, you're a loser if you. If you don't own a home, but your car is.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. And your rent.

[Nick Viall]

Car payments. 1500. If your car payments is much or more than your rent.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's literally. That's a really good indicator. That's everyone in LA that I know.

[Nick Viall]

Not everyone.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, everyone. I know. I only got introduced to the, like, the clicks, you know.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, TV work has, like, opened your eyes to, like, genuine friendships, better people.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's amazing. It's like people are actually doing things outside of, like, what I'm doing. And I'm like, wow. Like, you know, what I'm doing is not the be all, end all of like, everything. You Know, I don't have to worry about stuff online. Like, people are doing different.

[Nick Viall]

They're like, like, do you have a friend in purchasing?

[Kelsey Anderson]

What do you mean, purchasing?

[Nick Viall]

Like a normal job, like an accountant.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Everyone. Yeah, everyone's in finance. Everyone's cool. I'm like, this is where I should be. Like, sales are so associates.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

The men that I want to surround myself with. Medical, sales rep. Yeah, yeah. All of the cool stuff.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But, yeah, no, they're like, real down to earth. If they don't like you, they'll tell you. And I'm like, thank you. Like, I just want people to be honest. I'm.

[Nick Viall]

Australians love her.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God, I love her.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I haven't seen you in so long and you're like, you were just talking about me.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Get lunch sometime.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, weren't you just sleeping with my ex? That's crazy. Good to see you.

[Nick Viall]

You.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, my God. I'm like, that's literally my life.

[Nick Viall]

You know what I heard about that. That's crazy.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Literally. And then you have a new show and they like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They come back out.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I'm like, what is your love life like these days?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Non existent. And I'm loving that. I'm not going to lie.

[Nick Viall]

Like, you need to date a normie.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I did date what I thought was a normie. Turned out to not be so normal.

[Nick Viall]

What does that mean? Well, I mean, like, not. I mean, sure, like, you might just find out they're a psychopath.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But he was, like, not, you know, out of the scene. No one knew who he was. Low key, didn't post online. Private account. Can't love. Ticked by.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like a different name.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. And then I kind of thought that that was, like, by choice. And then I realized this guy's like, you know, maybe he's hiding some stuff. And I moved to New York and I was like, you know, with him for a while. Things were good. And then. Yeah, not so good. Now I'm like, I dated another person after that. That was the most diabolical person I've ever dated in my life.

[Nick Viall]

The most.

[Kelsey Anderson]

The most. Like, I'm not. We've talked.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I know.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Like, it's like any one I'm attracted to, I need to, like, get away.

[Georgia Hasarati]

From, not be attracted to your. Your next partner.

[Kelsey Anderson]

How do I change that?

[Nick Viall]

Do we need to unpack that? Georgia?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I'm, like, doing therapy now, so I'm, like, unpacking that. I'm like, what's wrong with me? Why do I find these people? Like, it's insane.

[Georgia Hasarati]

How are they diabolical?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Just like, so manipulative. Can present a whole person that they're not. And you find out a few months later that they're nothing like that. Really controlling gaslighting. The last guy was seeing literally went through my phone in my sleep, hacked my icloud, got my location and had tracked me for five months. I had no idea when we stopped speaking, was turning up to places that I was and making out. It was a coincidence. Then one night called me and told me, I know you just walked through your front door. And I was like, dude, I'm moving. Like, I can't. The people I meet are like, what.

[Nick Viall]

Did you think of me when you met me? Like, did you think what was like on. On the chances he's a psychopath scale? Like, what were you, like, thinking?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Well, I mean, I think we like went to. On our first date, we like, went to dinner like an hour after I had ever met him in person. And he was like, so, like, I could kill you tonight.

[Tyler]

And I was like, wait, that's hilarious.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's like, I think about that's not hilarious actually happening. But like, you never know who you're dating. You're like, what if I'm a psychopath?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Literally, he's like, so I could, like, actually kill you.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's crazy. But like, I could judge. So funny being like, what is wrong with you?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Were you that bad?

[Nick Viall]

What?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Were you that bad?

[Nick Viall]

No, I. No, I'm that good.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, obviously, I feel like you guys are great, so I wouldn't see.

[Nick Viall]

I'm a. I'm. I'm a normal person, but I was doing an unnormal thing, so I was judging her for meeting me, being like, how do you not know? I'm not. And also, are you going to murder me?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, that's. My response is like, well, what if I. Oh, I was definitely afraid of.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Like, we murder each other.

[Nick Viall]

The only person who would do this is someone who's going to kill me.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Where?

[Nick Viall]

The follow up question.

[Sierra]

How many people know where you are right now?

[Nick Viall]

Literally, I knew why I was doing it.

[Tyler]

Like, so do you.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Anyone? Have you a location? Is anyone expecting you home later?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Could you actually turn off your location services right now?

[Sierra]

Or are you close with your family?

[Nick Viall]

Well, I mean, honestly though. But maybe. Maybe that's kind of what you're not looking for. Like, there was an. A healthy amount of like, awkwardness between N and I and nervousness of both being like, I don't know about you, you know? And yet we were both kind of, like, I. Hopefully giving each other, like, green flags. But, like, we. We were, like, very. There was a. There was, like, an awkwardness.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I feel like I mistake chemistry. Like, I think I'm connecting with someone, and it's actually, like, a toxic bond forming. It's someone really manipulative, and they're really playing me. And I'm like, we're so the same.

[Tyler]

Oh, my God.

[Kelsey Anderson]

This is like, I'm gonna marry this person. And then I realized they're nothing like that. I, like, I need to, like, stop. Like, I need to chill. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I just, like, maybe I'm the only good guy. So.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Wait, how did you. How did you. Honestly, probably how you are. How did you get your. His. Your location off of his, like, phone?

[Kelsey Anderson]

So I. I had an inkling something was going on when he kept turning up to places that I was. And I was, like, calling my mom, and I'm like, this sounds really crazy, but there's too many coincidences happening. He keeps turning up to places, and she's like, he's tracking you. And I'm like, how would I even see that? So I went through my phone and looked at, like, location was off. I made sure. Family sharing. I've heard you can do that. Turn that off. I'm like, no, I have to be good. This is in my head. Then the phone call happened, and I'm like, panic. I go into Apple. They've seen this ship before, so they're, like, changing all my passwords, like, telling me what was probably their likely scenario. And I 100% know it. Like, I'm a deep sleeper. He knew my password. Password. I would always fall asleep before him. Sometimes I'd wake up, the vibe would be off. I wouldn't know why. It was, like, obvious that he'd been snooping, doing stuff, and he knew things that you could only know if you were in my phone. Like. But I was like, you know, what are the odds of that? Like, you just never think it'll happen until you have proof.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And, yeah, I just think, like, we.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Can bleep this out, but are we talking about.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Who?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I've never met a man, like. Like this. This is like. I'm not kidding. He's, like, possessed short. Too short to act like that. I'm such a thing.

[Nick Viall]

That's the thing. But if. If. Like, if he's got a great face.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You know, Harry could get away with the height was like. You know, we made some exceptions. Not that you have to go no matter how.

[Nick Viall]

No Matter how much up a tall man is, he's still tall.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And he's still like, doesn't have to overcompensate.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And sadly, they get away with. With the short kings.

[Kelsey Anderson]

With the short kings really swindled me.

[Nick Viall]

There's a real. There's a real. No matter the problem with the short kings. And I love the short kings. And I do think the short kings need more representation. And I. And I do think the ladies out there need to be open to like, 5, 10. But like, the problem sometimes with the short kings is there's. There's a true.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Such a good.

[Nick Viall]

There's a true. Like, there's an always constant, like, what's the what. The word? I'm imposter syndrome. Yes. So no matter how much success they have in their life, they're like. They're their childhood self. And like, their. Their high school self will never really believe that, like, you know, you're a beautiful, attractive person. And then, like, you know, they're just like, they just can't outlive the person they see in the mirror and they become insane.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Well, you really careful.

[Nick Viall]

Be careful of the ultra successful short kings.

[Kelsey Anderson]

See, that was it. Successful for short king.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's crazy.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And when I met this guy, I was like, he's a dream. Like, he's foreign, cute accent. Like, we really vibed. He was like, I'm not like, you know, I'm kind of. I don't really care about the sceney stuff, but when they say I'm not like, yes. And then I've never met someone that wanted to put me down so bad. Like, he very successful. I was always like, you're amazing. Like, you're so great. He was like, you. Your career is so embarrassing. Can't be seen with you in public. Like, walk near me at this event because, like, we can't be seen together.

[Nick Viall]

Why would you accept that?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Well, because it was kind of put through in a way that was really, like, disguised in the beginning. It was like, my team says I can't be seen with you. I'm really sorry, but it's a bad look for me. Blah, blah, blah.

[Nick Viall]

But, Georgia, I'm going to push back here. No.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Well, I'm like, you mean you kept me private? I've been on dating shows. Like, I'm like, this comes with a thing.

[Georgia Hasarati]

But you did keep me private for a long time. So if you had.

[Nick Viall]

Because I was obviously very. Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I was like, okay.

[Nick Viall]

I was.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I was like, you know, I get it. I've been on Dates on my team. It's not the best. Look, you know, I'm like, I can understand. Like, I'm not like, you know, I get it. I get it. You're a successful guy. This is probably not. I get it. But eventually, this better not be a problem.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Right?

[Kelsey Anderson]

And then it was like, you know, masks in that he's really proud of me, but whatever. And then we would have arguments. I kid you not. He'd look at me and say, we do not compare. I'm here. You're here. You need to know that. And I was like, I never said I. I would just ball. I was like, wait, what the hell?

[Nick Viall]

That's so sad.

[Kelsey Anderson]

So sad. And then he would, like, snap out of him. Be like, I don't know why I said that. I'm so sorry. Like, I'm so proud of you.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And I'm like, Like splits per.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay, that's what I think.

[Nick Viall]

Are we. We need. Well, yeah. Recording this. So we are. Doc. What? Like, we need to come up with some key phrases for you. Like when they say, help me. I'm sorry for saying. I don't know why I said that.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

In a calm, immediate. Like.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I'm like, it's okay. Oh, you're forgiven.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I honestly forgot what you said.

[Kelsey Anderson]

If.

[Nick Viall]

If they don't know why they said that, then the answer is they're a psychopath.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Literally. I know, but he would be.

[Nick Viall]

If they say something crazy and then. And then black out and go, I don't know why.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I'll write this down.

[Nick Viall]

Psychopath.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I know. I don't know. I need to change, like, that part of me that's like, too forgiving and accepting because those things grow and they grew and I was like, damn. Okay. Should have paid attention to that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And that happened on my birthday, by the way. It was my birthday when that one happened.

[Nick Viall]

What's the relationship with your dad?

[Kelsey Anderson]

My dad?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

This is where. This is where I've done the research in the. In the emotional trauma. And I think it's because my mom and my dad never got married. They are, like, really good friends. But my dad's from Sydney in Australia. My mom's from Queensland. She moved when she was young, so they had, like a long distance friendship. My dad worked in Sydney, so there was only times that I could see him. It wasn't like, very frequent. And he's a great dad. But when I was young, there was a lot of stuff that I missed in that connection. So I feel now I look for emotionally unavailable men because I'M trying to, like, prove to myself that I can make them stay because I felt when I was younger than I didn't have that. You know what I mean?

[Nick Viall]

Dad didn't choose.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And I love my dad. We get along right now, and it's like, he was the best dad he could be, but I feel like that really did something.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It is crazy how that did something. It did something.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And also, my mom has bipolar, and her emotions are very. So when I was young, I was always trying to overread her emotions. So now when I'm in a relationship, I'm always, like, reading into things and, like, catering to people's emotional needs.

[Sierra]

But that makes sense.

[Nick Viall]

That must be very difficult. Imagine I know very little about. About bipolar except the fact that it's incredibly difficult for the person suffering from it and obviously the people and family members.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

But I can understand why you have an exceptional empathy for. For people acting out of pocket, maybe.

[Kelsey Anderson]

A little bit emotional. You know, I'm like, oh, I've seen this before. This is fine. At least my mom's like, this is normal. I know.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I grew up with this. I'm comfortable with this. I know this.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And my mom's like, get away from them. And I'm like, yeah, true. If they like you, like, hey, I get it. She's amazing. But she's like, that's not okay. You shouldn't be with people like that. But I'm, like, used to that. So it's. It's a little hard. But I'm very aware is the part.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's great.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You are very aware, But I'm really bad at applying that awareness.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Unless you're in it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, when I'm in it, I'm blind. I'm like you.

[Nick Viall]

I don't. You can DM us. I don't know if you have my number. You can text Natalie or whatever, but just be like, hey, a guy just said this to me. Like, just wondering if.

[Georgia Hasarati]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Told me I was a loser five minutes later. Said, doesn't know why I said that. Like, is that normal behavior? And I'll be like, get out. Run.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay. Yeah. Wait.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Did just take his shirt off.

[Tyler]

Wait.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He is kind of actually looking really good right now.

[Tyler]

Hold on.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I'll text you back in a minute.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But he's taking me to lunch, so I'll get back to you after this. But going on a holiday.

[Nick Viall]

It was very nice.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It was really sweet. Yeah, I probably will do that. No, I'll take you up on that.

[Nick Viall]

So battle camp.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. Really fun.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Well, you almost won. How did you feel about your best friend Lorenzo winning when. When you had the odds in your favor?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Honestly, so happy, like, it was. I voted for Lorenzo. I also have won a Netflix show, so I was kind of like, I'm here for the ride, you know, I'm just going to see how far I can go.

[Nick Viall]

You didn't need the money?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Never thought. I mean, like, everyone. Everyone needs money. I would have loved 250k. Like, I would be like, thank you so much. I could have done a lot with that, but I think Lorenzo was the most deserving. Plus, Lorenzo can do so much more with it than me. I feel like he's, you know, been on one show, hasn't really had his time to, like, pop into things yet and, like, start a brand, start a life, you know, work. So I feel like this is going to change his life so much. And he's so amazing, and he really, like, me and him, were very similar in the show. I feel like we were very, like, neck and neck at a lot of stuff, but he outdid everyone. So he was the most deserving physically, mentally, emotionally, and also biasly, like, he was my best friend.

[Nick Viall]

What was the challenge you were most afraid of doing?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I mean, going into it, I didn't know it would be this bad. But the submerged one, they make it look so much more chill than it was. Like, we were in that ice bath thing for hours, like, they were doing, so they wouldn't tell you how long you're sitting in there. It was just, like, a battle of your mental strength. So you're sitting there for, like, six minutes, 10 minutes in and out, like, all day, and none of us are, like, tapping out. We're all like, no, we've come so far. This is, like, horrible. We have to win. So they, like, changed the last round to be. You had to hold your head under the water in the eyes, and they don't show how bad it was, but, like, it was bad. Like, I was, like, forced drowning myself pretty much. Like, my body was, like, seizing, and I, like, breathed water in my mouth, mouth. And I'm, like, fighting because I could hear.

[Nick Viall]

But, like, just to be clear, you were always safe.

[Kelsey Anderson]

We were always safe. We had heart monitors on. There was, like, a med team on the side. Like, we were safe. It was controlled.

[Nick Viall]

But you were pushing really traumatizing bodily limits.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. And I. I could feel that, but I was, like, really competitive.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Have you taken an ice bath since?

[Kelsey Anderson]

No.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay.

[Justin]

You did win the first time you did it, though.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes, Yes. I did. I won. So it was worth the trauma. But, like, they made me do it again in the final, and I was like, you guys are so mean for this because I was, like, crying after. I was, like, having nightmares about it. It was horrible.

[Nick Viall]

Did you go to a sleepaway camp? What?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Sleepaway camp. Is that an American thing? Like, the kids send their parents, send their kids off. Bye. No, we don't do that in Australia. The parents actually love making their kids.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I'm kidding. That's cute.

[Nick Viall]

Or they're too poor. We were too poor.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, okay. So is that. Is that an expensive thing?

[Nick Viall]

I never will either at getting ever someone else to take care of your kid.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Is it like a summer camp thing?

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, that's so fun, though. That would be cool.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I mean, I guess a cheap version of sending your kids away to have someone else watch them for a period of time overnight.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But, like, what a cool thing. Like, as a parent, you're just like, bye. And you just get your life back for a little, maybe.

[Tyler]

Like, these days.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I wouldn't do it.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I did go to one. I think it was only like, a week. Like, I don't think it was that long. But I remember I called my mom every single, like, constantly, and she was like, honey, stop calling me.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Enjoy camp. Make some friends. Leave me alone.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I am busy.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Mom's having fun. That's so good. I love that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I was like, can I call my mom again? Like, seriously, like, you gotta stop. Get on the horse.

[Justin]

Who do you think brought the most drama? Because to me, like, Tony was overreacting. Bri and Louis, to me, looked like a showmance.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, that was really cute. I love Bri and Louis. They were cute, but the drama, they weren't dramatic. I feel like Tony was the most dramatic. They cut a lot of that out. Like, he's very way more dramatic than that.

[Justin]

Like, was his exit more confusing in person? Okay.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, yeah, noted.

[Nick Viall]

Can you elaborate?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I don't know if I can, but.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I would love to. Perfect.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But, you know, he got. He got a great edit. Tony, they love Tony.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Love Tony.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Love Tony.

[Nick Viall]

Who don't you love?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I didn't bond that great with probably more gay. I feel like she was a different kind of personality to me. And I'm not good with people that are, like, a little more introvert. I take it, like, the wrong way. I'm like, they don't like me. But I also feel like she didn't like me. So it was. It was on point. Like, we ended up voting for each other. I didn't vibe with her that much outside the show. She was. She's really sweet.

[Nick Viall]

Spell ecstasy for me.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, my gosh. So I am a really good speller.

[Nick Viall]

You are a good speller.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I'm terrified.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I am already going ex. Unfortunately, that's what everyone said they would do.

[Nick Viall]

I can't offer shit, so I do believe. Be clear.

[Kelsey Anderson]

S, T a S, Y. I know that on the spot.

[Nick Viall]

Say it again. Spell it again. Spell it again.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Spel.

[Nick Viall]

Again.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I spelled it wrong.

[Nick Viall]

You spelled it wrong on here.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You spelled it wrong. It's hard. That's right. I'm telling.

[Nick Viall]

So sorry.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I see why on the show.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, they wrote they got it wrong.

[Kelsey Anderson]

See, that's how I spelled it. Because in your head, this is one of those words when you're visualizing it. You've already put a C in the front. You've already put a.

[Nick Viall]

Did you go like.

[Tyler]

No.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Well, I was too scared because I'm falling off this thing. So I. I was originally going to write on my hand, but then I couldn't. I'm holding on for, like, dear life. I already put in a C and an S and I'm like, which is the last one? Is it cy S Y? As soon as I said it, I was like, no, no, no, it's sy. And they're like, done. No, you've said it. It's locked in.

[Nick Viall]

One of my absolute favorite things to watch are, like, high school spelling bees. Just spelling bees in general. I guess it's awesome. Yeah, I think maybe because, like, restaurant.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's easy.

[Georgia Hasarati]

R, E, s. You think restaurant's easy?

[Kelsey Anderson]

T, a U, r a N T. Restaurant.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You know, you love them to ro.

[Nick Viall]

The intensity where they're like.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Can we pull up a.

[Nick Viall]

Can I have it in a sentence?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Spell philanthropist.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay, that one I'm going to give to you.

[Nick Viall]

I can't spell. I can't read.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Wait, see, this is my issue. I can't visualize. I need to write it down. If I had a pen and paper, I would have slayed. But, like, me in the mind, I'm like. My brain was not working like that. And also, I have a fear of heights. Poly went before me. She got her word wrong. They launched her so far in the sky. She landed on her face on the beanbag, and she's, like, swollen. And then they're like, georgia, you're up. And I'm like, no. I hate heights. I'm so scared. So I'm like, begging them to, like, if I get it wrong. Only use one man. Don't use two men to launch me. Like, I'm scared.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Was there any word in your head that you were like, please don't ask me.

[Kelsey Anderson]

At that point, probably just everything. I was so scared. I'm like, I don't know, like my own name.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Don't.

[Kelsey Anderson]

The first word they gave me was swimmer. And I was like, oh, easy, slay. And then the next one's like ecstasy. And I'm like, okay, I know this word.

[Nick Viall]

What do you think the hardest four letter word is to spell?

[Georgia Hasarati]

What is this wordle?

[Justin]

That can be anything.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Me off the top of my head.

[Sierra]

Can you spell fo?

[Nick Viall]

Fo.

[Sierra]

Uhhuh.

[Nick Viall]

Pho.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh, can you spell chic?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I'm like, scared. Don't ask me anything, please.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Big text one time.

[Kelsey Anderson]

No.

[Georgia Hasarati]

How do you spell S, H, E, C, K?

[Kelsey Anderson]

No, not the sound.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like stylish. Like she.

[Nick Viall]

No, I. I'm like stylish.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Love how you didn't just go for the voice note because that was so crazy to spell it out.

[Nick Viall]

Sometimes if you read our text, I sound like the one who's 18 years younger, who's in school still. Truly. You're like, hey, mom, how do you spell?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I wouldn't expect that.

[Nick Viall]

Recess.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect that from you. I feel like it's a. It's just a brain thing that you just forget sometimes.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He does. He. He texts me all the time, being like, how do you spell this?

[Nick Viall]

My brain is very good at some.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Things and really shit at others. Me too.

[Nick Viall]

It's just like, you know, that's me. Uses all that energy for the good stuff.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Wait, so what word were you thinking the hardest for?

[Nick Viall]

Like, I don't know. It's out there.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I was like. I don't think there is actually faux, by the way.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, F, A, U, X. Yeah, faux.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's like faux fur.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Not real.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I think you meant like f. That's three. I'm saying out of this one.

[Georgia Hasarati]

He's way too smart for us. We gotta get him out of here.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. My brain.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

Are you watching anything these days? Are you enjoying anything as a fan?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Love Black Mirror. That's not really reality though. But I've been loving battle camp. Honestly, I know that sounds stupid because I'm on it, but I've watching Narcissist. Yes. So I love myself a lot. Just the first show that I'm like actually able to watch of mine that I'm not like cringing on repeat and.

[Nick Viall]

I'm Like, I get that this is.

[Kelsey Anderson]

What I, like, missed out on because I was in the challenge and I didn't see these people doing that stuff. Now I'm watching them and I'm like, wow, I didn't know that happened.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So did it want to do, like, more challenge real?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Like, no, like big brother. I would be down for social challenge, guys of thing. But, like, honestly, battle camp was really hard. Like, it was really hard. I don't know how I got the film.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like, how long were y'all there?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Like, four weeks.

[Sierra]

Did you know going into it that heights were going to be so heavily involved?

[Kelsey Anderson]

They asked me. They, like, alluded to, like, I was like, so what kind of challenges were talking? Like, you know, swimming, maybe some like, what is that? Zip lining? I was like, what kind of heights does that involve? They're like, nothing crazy. I was like, okay, cuz I have a phobia. Like, it's not like, perfect.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We'll add heights to every single challenge for Georgia.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And I'm like, no, it's not. Not like a. Like, I actually, like, have a full panic. I had a panic attack. They cut it all out. But like, the last thing they were making me do.

[Nick Viall]

You do understand reality tv, right?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I know, but it's like, give me some of the. Give me some of the credit. You know, you put me up there, like, make me look bad. Like, I tried.

[Nick Viall]

What. What Black Mirror episode do you think is the most realistic that you're afraid of happening?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, well, I've definitely. It's happening. But what's it called? Nose dive. The one that's like, all about, like, likes and what people.

[Sierra]

Social media.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Right.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Dallas Howard, I love. Say more.

[Nick Viall]

I haven't seen that one.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Love. You need to watch it pretty much.

[Sierra]

Like, like, social currency. So it's like how people interact with you. They can see looking at you, like, how. How liked you are, how many stars you have, what your rating is. And then it's like, people will not associate with you. If your rating's low, you can get it marked for, like, not doing nice things.

[Justin]

You won't be able to rent a car at a certain place.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Or, like, if you don't have a rent a rating.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my God. Like, yeah, I would not have been able to make it this far.

[Kelsey Anderson]

So you. Everyone's like, fake and like, oh, my God. And then you rate each other.

[Sierra]

I like your shirt. Do you want it?

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay.

[Sierra]

And then that gives you, like, a mark up. But if you didn't, like, they can be like, mark you Down.

[Kelsey Anderson]

They knock you down, like, in front of you.

[Nick Viall]

Interesting, because I honestly feel like part of the key of my success is, like, just being completely oblivious to how people really feel about me. And, like, and then people kind of are like, I don't know how you show up in the world the way people feel about you.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. So this is like.

[Nick Viall]

And then from. I get this a lot from people in business, Bachelor Nation, which is like, I wish I didn't care about people hating me. Like, they hate you.

[Sierra]

That's such a nice backhanded compliment.

[Nick Viall]

Dude.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You're so good at ignoring everyone that hates you and talks so much about you. You're, like, so good at ignoring me.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And you're like, whoa, whoa, people are talking about me.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I wish.

[Nick Viall]

Crazy.

[Sierra]

More like you would just, like, not care that people hate you.

[Tyler]

You know?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Crazy.

[Nick Viall]

I recently signed a deal and I got a lot of DMS from people being like, man, like, that many more reasons to ignore the haters. And I'm like, what?

[Kelsey Anderson]

We're hating this? That's hilarious. What have you heard? So funny because I low key feel like I'm like a victim to that mentality. I always thought that you're just like, whatever, but, like, you just don't realize, I guess.

[Nick Viall]

Well, no, I mean, yeah, I'm glad. Honestly, I didn't want to tell people.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I mean, like, the one few times I've seen you, like, you just so unbothered. I'm like, I love that.

[Nick Viall]

No, I don't care.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Literally what you just said. I just said, well, I don't look at.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I don't. The people, because they're just like, well, how do you do it? I'm like, I don't look, I care.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, of course I care.

[Nick Viall]

I'm a human being. But I don't go looking for it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Looking.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Hey, guys. What do y'all think about me?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, On Reddit, like a lot of.

[Nick Viall]

Reality TV stars who tell me they think it's fun to go on Reddit and read about themselves because it's like, ha. And I'm like, you cried yourself to sleep.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Reddit's like, don't go there. I don't have the app. I'm like, I have self control, but.

[Nick Viall]

No one goes on there to climb compliment people.

[Kelsey Anderson]

No, that is scary. That's scary.

[Nick Viall]

It's like how to make soups and talk.

[Kelsey Anderson]

So true.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I came here for a recipe, but by the way, Georgia sucks.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I hate her face. She's so annoying. I want her off this show anyways.

[Georgia Hasarati]

The Tortilla soup is.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Here's the recipe.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Love you guys.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That is so accurate.

[Justin]

Going back to the plank situation, you said that you almost had a panic attack or. Because it. From our point watching it back, it looked like more you were just trying to manipulate Chase.

[Kelsey Anderson]

So there was a moment I switched that on because I was already crying. So I was like, I don't want to go off this plank. This is like, I'm going to act my life out right now. And I was already crying, but I've walked out to the plank and I've seen that I'm on a safe one. And I'm like, I already have tears on my face. I need to kind of play into this so that he thinks I'm on a bad one. Otherwise he's going to take my plank. So I, for a moment, put it on. But as soon as I looked at Chase, I was like, I'm going to laugh. Like, he's just so unserious. I can't look at him and, like, be, like, acting like this. So, yeah, broke character. And, yeah, I was very terrified, though the tears were real. And then I was like, I'm going to play into this for a bit, for a moment to manipulate Chase. Didn't work.

[Justin]

So I respected you. You were like, I'm good.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I had to hustle because, like, I didn't want to go off that thing. That's my worst fear. I even, like, you know, betrayed Cutie. In all honesty, we, like, made a pact that we wouldn't before we went on those planks. We were not going to, like, sell each other out. We're like, we're going to protect each other because we're so, so scared of heights. It all went out the window, girl. Every man for themselves. I'm not going off this flag. And then I was, like, going anyway, like, cutie, I'm sorry. Don't hate me.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So sorry.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I just. I had to do what I had.

[Nick Viall]

So what's next for you?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Good question. I'm actually. I'm taking some acting classes off the back of this. Actually want to get into.

[Nick Viall]

I know how to act.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Turns out I'm a professional. Dates of one, anyway. No, I actually really want to do acting. I did a short film a while ago, and I found it really fun. And now I want to see, like, if I can, like, tap into that a little bit more and, like, where it could take me. Like, I. Netflix is cool. Like, if you're cool with them, they have a lot of opportunities. If I took it seriously, I Could see what. What would be there, you know, see if there's something they could put me in. Maybe. Maybe Netflix help, help me out. No, but, like, I also want to try, like, hosting or something. I feel like. Also want to start a podcast. So many things on my mind right now. I'm like, what kind of podcast do.

[Nick Viall]

You want to start?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Like, a dating one. I feel like an advice one. I have so much trauma that you guys know a little bit about we've touched on, but I have a lot more, and I feel like I really want to, like, educate girls.

[Nick Viall]

Would you be willing to, like, talk about your escapades in a very honest and raw, like, for real.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I feel like I'd give all the tea.

[Nick Viall]

Interesting.

[Kelsey Anderson]

In a way that, like, I'm not going to get sued, but yeah. Oh, give the tea.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Just come up with, like, aliases. Like Sean King.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. Literally, I feel like I could give enough but not too much, you know? But yeah, it's a lot of stuff that people should know of.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Scratching company.

[Sierra]

I know of.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You do?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Hit me up.

[Nick Viall]

We can talk.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. I have a whole deck planned and stuff, so we should.

[Nick Viall]

You do have a deck?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. I'm taking this serious. I want to do it.

[Nick Viall]

That is my number one requirement.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay, perfect. Then we're good, and you're in.

[Nick Viall]

Look, if you want to. To get rich and actually work.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

We can talk.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And I love talking, and I love, like, meeting people and hearing stories and, like, relating to people and helping people. So I feel like it's something I should try.

[Nick Viall]

Okay. And you're living in New York? Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I love it. New York's great.

[Nick Viall]

Favorite New York story you've experienced since you've been there.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, wow. So many crazy ones. I'm trying to filter out the ones I probably can't say imagine.

[Nick Viall]

This is your first episode of your podcast.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I don't really know.

[Nick Viall]

Honestly, not a very good podcast.

[Kelsey Anderson]

This is, like, sad because when I moved there, I was, like, there for a year. I didn't experience anything. I was kind of, like, on house arrest with this relationship that I was in. So, like, I didn't do anything. I was, like, boring. Now that I'm, like, single and, like, experiencing things, I'm, like, out and, like, having fun, but didn't have fun for a long time. It was just work, film, the show, boring. Like, I don't really. I don't really have any crazy stories yet. I need to make crazy stories.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I know. That's so boring. I'm Trying to think, you know what's annoying? I'll leave here and I'll have the best story. I can't think of it right now.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay, do you have a favorite restaurant or a favorite, like.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, yes.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Can we get a wreck if you tell me yours?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Tell me yours first.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay. The American Bar.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Why? I'm not been there.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Oh, my God. The American Bar. Go on Thursday.

[Nick Viall]

Pretty basic meat.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay, go on Thursdays. They have a special of Bourbon chicken.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Whereabouts is this?

[Georgia Hasarati]

West Village.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, my God. Love West Village. Okay, I'm going.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah, you so good.

[Georgia Hasarati]

They have an amazing martini, they have an amazing Greek chopped salad, and they have amazing Bourbon Chicken.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay, I'm gonna try.

[Nick Viall]

Loves their Bourbon Chicken so much. We have flown to New York on a Thursday just to get the Bourbon Chicken.

[Sierra]

They need to, like, we need to.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Get there earlier so we can get there in time to have dinner at American Bar for the Bourbon Chicken.

[Tyler]

That's pretty good.

[Georgia Hasarati]

And every. Every time I'm there and I'm like, please make this a staple on your menu. Like, please take it off of Thursdays.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Oh, my God. I'm gonna try. Okay, that sounds amazing.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Okay, what's yours?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I like French food, so I like Pasteo, I think it's called. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. Is that.

[Nick Viall]

That's it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's it. Okay, that one.

[Nick Viall]

That's it.

[Georgia Hasarati]

What is it?

[Kelsey Anderson]

From there, I get everything I like. Wait, the chicken. The chicken pie thing that they have. They have a really good French onion soup. That's my favorite. They have a really good burger that I haven't tried. I probably need to try that. But, yeah, I love French food, so I'm down.

[Nick Viall]

French fries. Your favorite?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I'm, like, thinking of, like. Oh, yeah. You know, their iced tea is really nice. Everything basic. No, French onion soup is. Is really good. I'm a big fan.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's really French.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's French, and it has, like, a good layer of cheese and stuff. So is it.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Is it actually French? Is that why it's called French onion soup?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I guess. Like, the onion, the actual onion is.

[Georgia Hasarati]

French, and that's why it's called French fries. Or is it Frenchies? Because that's the brand.

[Tyler]

Is it French?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Because the onions from France.

[Justin]

According to the Internet, French onion soup is indeed from France.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

What about French fries?

[Sierra]

It was invented by none other than King Louis.

[Nick Viall]

King Louis.

[Georgia Hasarati]

King Louis.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Kelsey Anderson]

They're quick on the facts.

[Sierra]

14, the 14th, King Louis XV's Roman numeral.

[Georgia Hasarati]

XV's XV is like getting into watering soup. You think he was on Reddit, like, hey, guys.

[Kelsey Anderson]

He's like, he's. It's just been stolen. Love that. Love Lou for that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Loving Lou for that.

[Sierra]

I can't turn around. Since medieval times.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Never had Medieval times is crazy.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's a favorite you wouldn't like. French onion soup.

[Nick Viall]

I don't think that's why I've never tried it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You know, I'm not even an onion fan, but it's so good.

[Nick Viall]

It's just like the. All the cheese on top.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Okay. That's my part.

[Justin]

That's the best part.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's my pot. When you pull it, it's like wretching. I'm like, damn.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Do you like a mozzarella stick?

[Natalie]

Love be like.

[Kelsey Anderson]

But I want it to be like that. It's got to have dry when I.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Get it instead of like taking it and then all the falls out and it's just like.

[Nick Viall]

What's it called?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Ruby Rosa.

[Nick Viall]

Ruby Rosa. You been to Ruby Rosa?

[Kelsey Anderson]

No.

[Nick Viall]

What's really good? Mozzarella sticks.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Ruby Roa.

[Tyler]

Really?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I'm going.

[Nick Viall]

Really good.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Pizza and mozzarella sticks.

[Nick Viall]

Yum.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You guys have the Rex.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You need to.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Where you go? Just like.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I like Rubies.

[Nick Viall]

Rubies.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's an. It's an Australian owned place in New York. Is really good. The food is insanely good. Like, they just opened one near where I live in Williamsburg, and it's amazing.

[Nick Viall]

That's where I'm at.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. What was that?

[Nick Viall]

We met in Williamsburg.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You met there?

[Nick Viall]

Oh, my.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's where we, like, talked about killing each other.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Wait, there's so many people. I get that vibe there. Yes. No, that's so funny. I love Williamsburg. It's great.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's really cute.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's really cute. But yeah, really. Ruby's is amazing.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It's good food, right?

[Nick Viall]

It's good to see you, Georgia.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I know. It's so good to see you and so nice to finally meet you. I had so much fun. I feel like we've. Did we meet before this or. No, No, I don't think.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I feel.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I think I just know you because.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I've watched so much of the podcast.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes, we spoke.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, that's it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

We were like, meaning to hang out, then I fled the. The scene.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You fled the scene?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, left. Left the chat. I left this whole place.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I got pregnant. You're like, fuck this. No, I'm out of here.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's more of a reason for me to be like, hang out with me. I used to be a midwife. Like, I love that.

[Nick Viall]

Used to be a midwife.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Do you want to pull out my.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Swear I told you this when you.

[Nick Viall]

Say, like, so, like, you were just delivering babies.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yep. I literally filmed 2. Ought to handle season 3, then went back to normal life. Went back to a hospital job delivering babies. Like, three babies one night, sometimes. Literally no one.

[Nick Viall]

Why don't more people know?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I know. Because it's not hot, right? Like, they want you to be, like, too hot to handle. That's, like, not that hot.

[Georgia Hasarati]

It's kind of hot.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I feel like it's like, it's fun. It's great. Hot. I don't know. It's kind of gross. It makes you very, like, it's amazing, but it's like, it makes you very.

[Nick Viall]

Unique in a group of people. Let's. Let's, you know, like, reality TV stars. It's. It's a. It's a melting pot of various backgrounds, intelligence, and. And things like that. But, like, there's not a ton of people in the reality TV space who, like, who have something really going for them other than their face.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. I think that's what they like to come across as well. So, like, when I met them, the production, they were like, you were. You're a midwife. They're like, I don't think anyone here has ever studied, like, anyone else on the cast. I was like, really?

[Georgia Hasarati]

No one's read a book?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. Like, wait, you're the first person with a degree? Like, that's crazy. I was like, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

No, that's very cool, though.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It is. It was honestly the best thing I've ever done. Like, it's amazing.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Do you. If I were to, like, give birth right here, right now, would you know exactly what to do, or would you.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Be like, oh, exactly. I delivered a baby in a car park once. It was amazing. I was literally about to leave my shift, and then they were like, I had my bag and everything, and they're like, do you want to deliver a baby in the car park? And I was like, are you serious? Yes. And we was just like, run down the hallway with an emergency, like, delivery kit. Got outside. She's like, in the car giving birth. I'm like, catching the baby.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You're badass.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It was so sick.

[Nick Viall]

That's pretty cool.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yep. It was the sickest. I have so many cool stories about that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Not only is she stunning, but she can deliver babies and she can spell ecst and restaurant.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yes. Okay. Love talking and restaurant.

[Nick Viall]

Restaurant. Your podcast will be called Birthing Problems.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That's a good name. Wait, that's a good name?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Like dating problems.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know.

[Sierra]

Bir.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Biring problems.

[Nick Viall]

It's a. We can workshop it.

[Kelsey Anderson]

People just think I'm, like, giving birthday. Thanks for calling.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Birthing problems. It's Georgia. What's your problem?

[Kelsey Anderson]

Me just talking to people in the hospital.

[Nick Viall]

Baby, wrong number.

[Kelsey Anderson]

That could be fun.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Well, this has been so much fun.

[Kelsey Anderson]

This was so fun. Oh, my God, I love you guys. We should hang out before I go.

[Nick Viall]

You're going to stage coach?

[Kelsey Anderson]

No, I'm not going to stage coach. I kind of wish I was. Are you going?

[Georgia Hasarati]

Yeah, maybe.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Should be.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We're just going for Friday night. You should come.

[Kelsey Anderson]

I messed up because I went to Coachella and then I flew back to New York and I dumped all my outfits and stuff off. And then I've come here for work and I'm like, I should have just gone to stage coach. Everyone's gone, going, maybe I'll change my mind and come.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You should come. Yeah, I'm sure you'll.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Honestly, Lana Del Rey's thing. That's gonna be. Literally. I need to see that.

[Georgia Hasarati]

You do. You can find a pair of cowboy boots somewhere.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I'll just rent something or, like, go. Go to the. Yeah, I'll find something. Yeah. I kind of think I should stay here for a while. It's fun. I'm having a good time.

[Nick Viall]

Do you miss LA at all?

[Kelsey Anderson]

I do, but I'm like, is that just my brain playing games on me? Because I'm just visiting and getting the good part of it and, like, seeing people. People lightly.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Would I love to live back here? I don't know. I really like the life of New York. It's cool.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hasarati]

I don't think you would.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah, I want to see, like, different stuff, meet new people all the time. New York's like that here. It's like I'm going to the same place, the same people. Getting bored of that, you know?

[Georgia Hasarati]

That is very true. There are people everywhere you go.

[Kelsey Anderson]

And New York, any night I go out and meet everyone I see is new. I don't ever see the same people.

[Nick Viall]

Wow.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Everyone's cool.

[Georgia Hasarati]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

Where can they follow you? Find you on social?

[Kelsey Anderson]

On Instagram and Tik Tok, mainly. And Snapchat. Robbie, you're Snapchatting still? Well, I am. I'm getting into it, you know, it's not my. Not my vibe.

[Georgia Hasarati]

That's where all that come from.

[Kelsey Anderson]

You would do it, too, for a.

[Georgia Hasarati]

How.

[Nick Viall]

How many. How many times are you posting a.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Day, you got to post around like 60.

[Nick Viall]

60.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yep.

[Nick Viall]

I tried that for like, I did.

[Kelsey Anderson]

It for a week. I was great. Now I'm shitty, so I need to pick it up back up. But, you know, it's better than, you know, posting on Instagram stories and you're not going anywhere. You could be doing something. You could be making money off it.

[Georgia Hasarati]

So you can find me on Snapchat as well.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Yeah. And it's. Yep, yep, exactly. We're going to have a duo account.

[Georgia Hasarati]

We'll do a dual account. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

All right, Georgia, great seeing you.

[Kelsey Anderson]

Great to see you guys. That's so much fun. Yay.

[Nick Viall]

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