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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
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Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper edition. Big Brother is waiting… for the return of JOJO SIWA TO THE VIALL FILES! So many questions have been raised since JoJo’s exit from Celebrity Big Brother UK. Where does JoJo stand with...
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- [00:01]
JoJo Siwa
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- [00:30]
Nick Viall
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- [01:20]
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- [01:54]
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- [02:32]
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- [03:34]
Chris
You're crazy.
- [03:45]
Nick Viall
JoJo. Welcome, welcome, welcome back, welcome back.
- [03:48]
Chris
Hi, Nick. Natalie. How are we?
- [03:50]
Nick Viall
We're so great. We're so, like, just excited, excited to see you.
- [03:53]
Chris
I'm so excited.
- [03:54]
Nick Viall
Obviously, just like, as our friend to like get back into the States and like, I feel like we would get together anyways. But then here we are after you decided to blow up your brother and make it a worldwide international event. I don't like I was telling you before we started, I don't know why I was shocked because like, you, there's something about you. The spotlight finds you and it's like the Internet finds you. Like I, you know, I've certainly, you.
- [04:21]
Chris
Know, they don't hold back on me.
- [04:22]
Nick Viall
We know of Big Brother. Big Brother, Brother uk, Slavery uk. We know it well. But, like, I've never seen people talk about it the way they've been talking about it this season. And it's all centered around you.
- [04:33]
Chris
Thank you. That mean. That means a lot. That's actually what, like, the producers and production was saying about the show. They were like, we've never seen an impact like this one. Like, I think it was just, like, the perfect concoction of things. You know what I mean? And I think really, like, I know you guys have gotten to see the side of me that's, like, you know, normal. Yeah, that's. That's. And so I think you've gotten to see that normal side, and I think I've really, like, not intentionally hid that side of me, but almost didn't know how to be public with that side of my life, you know what I mean? Like, I always felt like I had to be super, you know, Jojo Siwified. And I love. I love being super Jojo Siwified. That is a very real side to me. But I also do live normal, believe it or not. I don't have a crazy Ninja Turtle makeup on my face with that bar eye mask every single day. And so I think it was a really great way to kind of share that for the first time, because it was out of my control and people just got to see it, candidly. So it was cool to be in the UK and have people love it so much. It was. Getting out was a trip. Were.
- [05:28]
Nick Viall
Were people, like, shocked to even see you on the show? I remember you had been talking to me a year ago.
- [05:36]
Chris
Yeah. It was in October that I got, like, the initial meeting.
- [05:39]
Nick Viall
Yeah. And I was surprised to hear you.
- [05:43]
Chris
Yeah.
- [05:44]
Nick Viall
Talking about it, but, like, you were dead set on doing it from the beginning. It wasn't, like. It wasn't a question you wanted to do. You were very invested, very excited about it. Like, what made you so interested in doing this in the first place?
- [05:57]
Chris
I don't know. I think I just love, like, this. This sounds great. I just love doing things. And, like, I think because I grew up on reality tv, that kind of feels like a home, you know what I mean? And I love a challenge. I love a game. I always say, too, like, I love the people that I meet, and I always kind of know whenever I do a show like this, you know, you come out with somebody who was destined to be in your life. And so I'm always curious of, like, who that will end up being, like. With Forces, it was obviously you and Tyler with Dancing with the Stars. It was my best friend Ezra and Jenna, my bro. Like, there's. That's always a fun thing to kind of, like, for me to look forward to, but I think I just love doing something that's different. And I think it'd be crazy to say no to something like Big Brother. It just, like, it's cool. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a fan of it, and so I'm like, why? Why would I not?
- [06:39]
Natalie
What did you enjoy more? What was harder, Special Forces or Big Brother?
- [06:44]
Chris
It's. They're so different. They're so different because Forces is grueling, right? It's tiring. It's exhausting. You don't know what you're doing on Big Brother. You also don't know what you're doing. But Forces is very, like, stressful, right? Like, you're out of everything, you know, which is similar. You're eating different, which is similar. But with Forces, it's very like, oh, I could lose my life today. And, like, you really think about that. You know what I mean? Or like, oh, I'm genuinely being a bit tortured right now. And, like, you really think about that. Whereas Big Brother, it's like the torture man is wearing a cat costume for 12 hours, and it's like, silly. You know what I mean? But, like, the same way that it's very real. But instead of hearing number three battery change, you're hearing, housemates, new batteries are in the hatch. Please replace. You know what I mean? So it's like, they're very similar. I think personally, for myself, because I'm in this week, I would say Big Brother, I liked doing more. I think I. As much as I learned about myself on Forces, I think I learned way more about myself. My life changes I want to. Wanted to make in my life on Big Brother, I think, because it was just longer, and instead of having your brain be like, oh, my God, I'm gonna die. Oh, my God, do I wanna be here? My brain was thinking, like, so many deep thoughts about my life, and so it was. I don't know, it was just kind of an interesting feeling. But give me a year when both are far out, and I'm sure I would. I wouldn't know what my answer would be.
- [08:07]
Nick Viall
No, it makes a lot of sense hearing. I mean, I haven't done Big Brother, but I have done Forces with you. And, like, like you said, I mean, like, there's a. There's a Literal survival element to forces that, like. The literal premise of the show is to, like, deplete everything, everything. Resources, food, trip you down and see what you can run on with, like, limited capacity. Where, again, I haven't done Big Brother, but it does seem like the structure is really a lot more like, it's brighter. It's brighter, Isolated, but, like. And so this time to reflect, you know, and just time to just sit, like, there was no time to sit around and reflect with forces. It was like literal survival. So very different in terms of. I didn't, like, reflect on my life.
- [08:47]
Chris
And forces is meant to break you, whereas Big Brother's meant to, like, you're meant to have fun. Like, the whole thing, the whole welfare team is like, you're going to have the best time. Enjoy it. It's 20 days. It's also much longer than forces was. But, yeah, it's exactly that.
- [08:59]
Nick Viall
Did you go in, like, with any expectations or, like, an idea of what you wanted to get out of it, or was it just like you said, like, let's go. Sounded fun. I want to do something. Yeah, look, let's fucking do it.
- [09:11]
Chris
I don't know. I think the expectation that I went in with was just like, yeah, it's going to be 20 days, right? I think, honestly, the biggest thing that was different for me is I really thought I was going to miss home. Really thought I was going to be, like, feeling like, oh, I'm in a foreign country, I don't know anybody. I feel very lonely. I miss my family, I miss my dog, I miss my house. I was kind of thinking all of those things going in, and I was really, like, amping up, like, oh, I'm going to miss this. But then I think it just immediately was so fun and the people were so lovely right away. And then, like, you know how normally, like, you meet people right away and then it kind of, like, wears off. It, like, with 90% of the people, it never wore off. You know what I mean? Like, it was. Everyone was genuine from the beginning. And so I think I got lucky being surrounded by a beautiful group of people in the house. I definitely didn't think it was gonna be as, like, intense as it is because you, like, you see us doing, like, the pirate task, right? And I don't know how much of it you watched or not, but we did this big pirate task where we had a pirates. I was a captain, yada, yada, yada. That starts at 9am and we finish the pirate task at 2am and you're like, in costume. You're like, it's intense. That was the longest one because that was the day that Mickey got evicted. And so like they had to like have some meetings quick. So we kind of got like back burnered in the house. Literally. There was like three or four hours. We were like, so what are we doing? Like, nothing's happened. No movement from Big Brother. Like everyone just like keep watch, I guess. Like, hopefully no enemy ships come because that's what we had to watch for. But we were clearly just in like a holding period. But we didn't know that. But then, yeah, like the family task, it's like 9am to 8pm like, everything is. So you would think it'd be like, okay, put on your cat costing for two hours. Let's get a little. And then like take it off. No, it's all day long. And that's like they do the timestamps in the show, but it like still like, it doesn't, it doesn't translate to genuinely how long it is. And like yesterday I was watching an episode and they put in my dance challenge and I had to dance to like power up the house. And they put it in for two minutes and I was livid. I was like, there's absolutely no way. My mom was like, what? And I was like, you think I was that exhausted after dancing for two minutes? And my mom was like, I mean, yeah, you would be.
- [11:23]
Nick Viall
Don't feel like I felt when they showed me carrying Tom Sandoval.
- [11:26]
Chris
No, exactly that feeling. Exactly that feeling. Because I was like, I was dancing for 20. It was like, okay, 20 is dramatic. I won't be dramatic. I'll say 17. Like 17 minutes. Like, like, I'm not being dramatic when I say 17. I was being dramatic when I said 20.
- [11:40]
Nick Viall
That's a lot, but I think 20.
- [11:41]
Natalie
Thank you for being honest.
- [11:42]
Chris
Yeah. Thank you for being on so down to earth right now.
- [11:44]
Nick Viall
Yeah. Let's talk Mickey.
- [11:46]
Chris
Okay, let's talk. That was Voldemort.
- [11:48]
Nick Viall
Are we calling him Voldemort?
- [11:50]
Chris
We, we call him Voldemort. We call him 50. 50. We call him 50. Yeah. He always used to do this thing. We'd be like, mickey, did you sleep good? 50. 50. Mickey, are you having fun? 5050.
- [12:00]
Nick Viall
First of all, what is your knowledge and history of Mickey work?
- [12:04]
Chris
Absolutely nothing really. No clue who he was. And he was the only person that walked in without a name tag, so I didn't know him at all. And I had to say, what's your name? And he said, Mickey. And I Said, okay, cool. Nice to meet you. I had zero clue.
- [12:17]
Natalie
Was anyone in the house kind of like, oh, my God, yes.
- [12:21]
Chris
Honestly, I think everybody else. I don't know about Ella. I don't know how much she knew about him, but everybody else knew who he was, loved him, honestly, initially, like.
- [12:29]
Nick Viall
When you pulled him in for, like, the train, when you walked in the conga line or whatever.
- [12:33]
Chris
Dear Lord, that now. Okay, honest to God, now, knowing Mickey and knowing the way he is and knowing what he's down for and what he's not down for, I am flabbergasted that he got into that conga line. I'm flabbergasted.
- [12:48]
Nick Viall
I'm flabbergasted he showed up.
- [12:49]
Chris
No, also that we. I have a theory, and it's just a theory. I think production told him, but I don't think he listened. And then I think he listened to this person in his life named Dima. And Dima is his, quote unquote, best friend. But it sounds more so as Dima's employee. Yeah, Dima's the name.
- [13:07]
Nick Viall
Can we look up Dima?
- [13:07]
Chris
Like, yeah, probably. I'm sure he's apparently always with him, so I'm sure Dima's a man. I believe so, yes. But, yeah, he was very open about conversation with Dima, so I wouldn't expect it to be a secret at all. Anyways, I was wondering if he's like.
- [13:19]
Nick Viall
A publicist or a manager, I think.
- [13:20]
Chris
I mean, he's. I said, how often do you get to see Dima? And Mickey said, I see him every Monday through Friday, nine to.
- [13:26]
Natalie
Okay.
- [13:26]
Chris
And so I'm pretty sure Dima is like an employee. An employee.
- [13:30]
Natalie
He's locked in from nine to five.
- [13:32]
Chris
He's locked in from nine to five. Honestly, I will say a piece of me kind of did feel for Mickey a little bit because he got out on Saturday and so I knew he got out on Saturday and, like, as he should. Like, I don't feel bad for him getting evicted or kicked out because he needed to be, but he got out on Saturday, and I knew he went out to nobody, and I knew he wasn't gonna have Dima until Monday. And, like, a part of me did feel, like, sorry for him. I think he's a messed up man and there's no excuse.
- [13:59]
Nick Viall
Did you take his comments? Well, how did you take his comments? Because it's like, what was the first.
- [14:04]
Natalie
Thing that he said to you that kind of was like, okay, we'll go.
- [14:07]
Chris
From the way beginning. He was just bizarre. He was. It's a great way to put him. He's just bizarre. He's a character. He's like, what is he doing? Everybody picks their bed. He goes to the couch or make you. Why are you doing on the couch? I haven't slept in a bed in 52 years. I only sleep on couches. Okay, cool. Shit's everywhere. You know what I mean? Like, he's just.
- [14:25]
Nick Viall
He's just put shit everywhere. He didn't shit everywhere.
- [14:27]
Chris
I mean, to my knowledge, he may have shit everywhere and someone else cleaned it, but no, he put his shit everywhere. He put his shit on my bed. I had. I honestly worked for, like, an hour to work up the courage, be like, hey, can you take your stuff off my bed, please? But I was like, I shouldn't feel bad about it. It was a mess anyways. He was just bizarre. And then he turned. The next day is when things got a little. Like, when he went into the prize room, he said to me, he said, I got you the best prize of all, but you can't know it yet. And so I was like. That was like, our first, like, kind of interaction.
- [14:58]
Nick Viall
What do you think his. Sorry for interrupting, but what do you think his knowledge of you was?
- [15:02]
Chris
I think absolutely nothing. I think absolutely nothing. Honest to God. I heard he got interviewed at the airport by tmz, and they said, what do you do think of Jojo? And he said, who?
- [15:12]
Nick Viall
No, I know that, but that did not seem genuine. I saw that interview. Seemed like, yeah.
- [15:18]
Chris
Oh, no. I. I can guarantee if I saw him on the street and I said, Mickey. He'd go, oh, hi, sweetheart. You want a picture? Like, he would not know who I am. I can guarantee that.
- [15:27]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [15:27]
Chris
And I would say genuinely, same thing about everybody on the show. Like, he wouldn't. Maybe daily. He might remember daily, but.
- [15:34]
Nick Viall
And is that because he's just, like, so in his own world.
- [15:37]
JoJo Siwa
Very.
- [15:37]
Chris
In his own world, in his own head, he walks on this line, and it's Mickey's line, and that's it. That's where it ends. Anyways, what was the original?
- [15:44]
Natalie
He said he got you the best prize of all.
- [15:46]
Chris
Yes. And so that was kind of our first interaction. And then his prize was he got me into the prize room. And that was. Honestly, I was stoked about that. But truthfully, I think he only did that because the people he gave prizes to was me. He picked me and Christopher. But when he picked Christopher, I guess he said, the Australian with pretty eyes. And they were like, there's not an Australian here. And there's a few people with pretty eyes. And so he was like, you know, like the one with. And so then they named off Chris. And they were. Then he was like, yeah, yeah, Chris. And then with me, I think he just was probably like the annoying girl, you know what I mean? Like, that's. I haven't seen that part. So I don't know what he said. But anyways, so that was our first interaction. And then the next day he brushes his teeth in the sink. I tried to help him be like, hey, there's a big bathroom. Cause he just didn't see the bathroom. And so I was very genuine about that. And he didn't want anything to do with it. I was like, all good. And then he wanted to know where the cigarette room was and he asked me. And so I took him out there. And it's like, it's an off camera cigarette room. There's a microphone in there and you can't get out of the house through there, but you can go in there to have a smoke and then come right back out. It's black box, it's four by four. It's nothing. Anyways, so then you come out of the cigarette room and that's when he goes back over and he's sitting and it's like me and Michael are sitting over on the benches. And then it was Mickey, Christopher, Jack. I think Ella may have been there in the beginning or not, I don't really know, but I know it was Chris and Jack. And that's when he made his first smart remarks. And I believe the first ones that he said was the lesbian over there. And like, you don't really want to like point somebody out as the lesbian until like just was genuinely giving him heads up. It does not offend me at all.
- [17:17]
Nick Viall
But like just like feels aggressive, but.
- [17:18]
Chris
It just is like other people are going to just like, don't say that. You know what I mean? Just like, just a heads up. Don't say that. Like, it's. It's all good to me. No bad blood there. But like, just a heads up. Anyways, so then he said that and then he doubled down on it. Who are you going to vote for? The lesbian? And I was like, mickey, like, you really. You cannot vote me because I'm a lesbian. Now you're being crazy. And then he made a joke using the f slur and that. That was when actually I was like, whoa, okay, I don't want really much to do with this man right now. And then that's when Chris Stepped in. And it's interesting because Chris now, I. If he didn't step in, I'd be like, come on, you know, find it. But then we didn't know each other. Nobody knew each other. It was still. It was day, essentially, one in the house. Like, it's. Nobody wants to do anything. Nobody wants to say anything. No one wants to stand up to make you rock. And so for him to do that and stand up not only for me in that moment, but for the entire LGBTQ community and say, hey, like, you really can't say that. Like, and you're just. You're fighting for right versus wrong. And so I, I. Chris took that away, and then that's when Mickey made a sexually inappropriate comment to me.
- [18:23]
Nick Viall
And, like, at any point did, like, did it feel like Mickey was willing to listen or just, like, acknowledge that, like, he said something inappropriate? Whether, you know, and, you know, maybe it's. A lot of the comments was like, he's like an old, ignorant man.
- [18:37]
Chris
Yes.
- [18:37]
Nick Viall
But it did seem like after Chris talked to him, it was like, is he ignorant or is he just. So it's doing things that egg people.
- [18:44]
Chris
Like, you know, there was. Let me. Let me get there. Let me get there. Because it gets there, and it gets there quickly. So, long story short, then Mickey gets called into the diary room and told, like, hey, you can't say that. Right? And in that diary room, he came out and. And he said, in the diary room, like, I didn't mean to offend. I'm sorry. Like, all good and really quick.
- [19:03]
Natalie
The sexual remark was him being like, if you were with me, you wouldn't be a lesbian or something.
- [19:07]
Chris
Yeah. And then he said, I'll tie you up or something. And then I was like, I'll relax. I'll tie you up. Like, try me if I dare you to. You know what I mean? Like, you may be strong, but baby, I'm mighty. You know what I mean?
- [19:18]
Nick Viall
This is all coming from a guy you know nothing about, don't know what he represents, don't know his background. You've known for a day.
- [19:26]
Chris
But I also have exactly kind of what you were just talking about. And, like, the story does lead there, but just to reiterate, like, or to, I guess start the statement of like, I also understand he is just an older guy that grew up in Hollywood. He might just be a little bit of a weirdo, and I might just have to tolerate it and all good. You know what I mean? And that's kind of the approach I took. Like, look, this Is weird. This is creepy. I don't like it. He's gross. But, like, I'll figure it out. Like, it'll be fine. I'm not. I'm. I'm gonna be okay. But what happened was in the diary room, he actually said, and I saw this last night when I watched. He said, you know, I didn't. I didn't have any ill intent, whatever. We don't hear about those diary room chats. So I have no idea of any of that. So then he comes out into the kitchen, and he comes up to me and I told him. I was like, I was gonna tell him. Cause everybody, you know, encouraged me to, like, be, like, little start to explain why, you know, he can't do that. Just to, like, make amends almost. But so he knows why you're feeling owl branch.
- [20:17]
Nick Viall
Yeah.
- [20:17]
Chris
Yeah. And so I did. And he wanted nothing to do with it. He said, you're gonna kick a dog while it's down? I was like, no. Oh, my God, no. Like, that's not the point at all. I just wanted you to know, like, where I was coming from. Then that's when Chris stepped in again, because I was very shaken up at that point. And Chris was like, no, man. Like, just like, she's just trying to, like, say her feelings, whatever. And then Mickey was like, well, I don't really care about your feelings. And all this didn't make it. And so that's what really tipped me over the edge, is he then said to me, I. I knew what I was saying, and that's why I said it. I wanted to offend you. I knew it was going to offend you, and that's why I wanted to do it. I like poking at a bear. And none of that made it. So that conversation. And then he said to me something along the lines of, like, I. I knew it would have. Funny. So that's why I said it. And so then I stood up at the chair and I was like, why would you want to say something that you think would offend me? Very chill. Cause I was sitting, he was standing, and he said to me, he said, oh, so now you're gonna stand up and attack me? And I sat right back down. I was like, no. Like, not my. No, not my point at all. I just wanted to have a conversation with you. And he said, I don't wanna have a conversation with you. And he walked away. And that's what shook me up. And then that's when I went outside, took a second. That's when Chris really Comforted me. And so there was. Look, they have to get a lot into 42 minutes. And so I'm not upset that that didn't make it to air. I don't care. Like, it was my experience and what happened. But that's when I really broke. I went into the diary room. I broke down. I talked with big brother. I honestly. I told big brother, like, I don't really feel safe around him. Like, this is very scary now. My bed was next to his. Chris did say to me, like, I'll swap you bed. So that way, like, there's a gap between you two. So we did that. I talked to big brother about that, whatever. But then I realized something. I realized that I can make an example out of this situation. Whether it be a good example or a bad example, I can make an example. And so I was like, all right, here we go. I'm gonna make it my mission to realize where he's coming from and make. Make him realize where he's coming from and make him realize. And so I. I wanted to honestly become friends with him, and I wanted to talk to him about his childhood, and I wanted to talk to him about why he's this way, why he isolates himself, where this all stems from. And we did have some good conversations. He wanted to learn a lot more about the community. We had conversations about literally straight up words that are on limits and words that are off limits within different minorities. We had conversations about baseball, about cruise ships, about his childhood. Like, we had so many conversations. And I genuinely think he just has not had someone talk to him about anything normal in so long. And I think he was messed up as a child, and I think that's coming out now. And I think that came out in the fight with Christopher. And I think, like, he's. He's not a good man, and I will. I will stand behind that. And he's. He's gross and he's creepy, and he doesn't know right from wrong. But he's also a hurt man. And I can have sympathy for him being a hurt man while also not condoning his behavior. And I think once we finally got there and I realized that was the situation, like, yeah, I will say I feel sorry for him, but I will also say he's not a good guy. And I see you later. You know what I mean?
- [23:20]
Nick Viall
Yeah. No, I mean, thank you for sharing that story. I'm always like, I. You know, when obviously, you know, I love you as a friend and your family, but, you know, when people talk about you on the Internet and you're out there and you're doing these shows and people have commentary. Like, I'm always quick to, like, my first, like, defensive view is always like, she's 21. Like, she's figuring out life.
- [23:41]
Chris
I love it.
- [23:43]
Nick Viall
But like, sometimes, like, and that's just such a broad, high level statement. But like, why I was drawn to you in the first place, why we are even able to be friends at the stages in life that we're in.
- [23:53]
Chris
Yeah.
- [23:53]
Nick Viall
Is that you, like, you have just an incredible, like, maturity and, and you're grounded in ways that you would never expect JoJo Siwa to be grounded. And I'm, you know, I just always, like, I always appreciate the way you handle adversity.
- [24:06]
Chris
Yeah.
- [24:06]
Nick Viall
In situations where there are a lot of people who never get to that stage of enlightenment, emotional enlightenment that you're at already in life, let alone as a 21 year old, I think of.
- [24:18]
Chris
It as like gentle parenting. Any sort of situation of conflict, I think about gentle parenting, the conflict and the person that it's with. So, like, you know, like, get to his eye level, have a calm conversation with him. Don't yell at him for his behavior, but ask him why his behavior. You know what I mean? Like, it's the best way to handle it is just think about gentle parenting.
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- [26:36]
Nick Viall
Should we talk about Chris?
- [26:37]
Chris
I would love to talk about Chris.
- [26:39]
Nick Viall
All right. Where does he fall on the Tyler? Me?
- [26:44]
Chris
No, I. Literally, while I was there, I, I was like. I cannot say. He is like my favorite person to come out of a show because I have two other boys that I love.
- [26:54]
Nick Viall
So very much and I'm pretty sure I'm third. But it's fine, you know?
- [26:58]
Chris
Yeah. You know, I do love you so much, Nick List. Yeah, probably.
- [27:02]
Nick Viall
I'm the friend that, you know.
- [27:04]
Chris
No, I would.
- [27:05]
Nick Viall
I'm the tough love friend.
- [27:07]
Chris
You know, honestly, big brother, I'll be straight up. I'll be straight up. You all three are very different to me. Even just because you are the three straight men in my life, you are all three so different to me. Our dynamic is very different. The conversations we have are very different. The conversations I have with you, the conversations I have with Ty and the conversations that I have with Chris are honestly conversations that I, I wouldn't have. The conversations I have with Chris with you and you with Tyler and Tyler with you and Tyler with Chris. You know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't. It's so very different.
- [27:34]
Nick Viall
Did you know that Chris came from Love island uk?
- [27:38]
Chris
I knew he was on Love Island UK because my brother's fiance was a big fan of the show and gave me a heads up on him. And yeah, I knew of him. I never watched the series though. Someone in my life told me about his viral sound. Sit down. I'm sat. I did use that against him once in the house, but I actually didn't. I didn't know it because he was. He said to me, like, he was like, take a seat. And I was like, I'm sad. And I didn't. I did not. Like, I wasn't consciously doing it, but it was a really funny moment because he was like, did you just use my line against me? And I was like, on accident. Really on accident. I did. But yeah, so I knew of him, but I didn't know anything beyond. Cause he was on Love island, you know what I mean? I didn't even know what he looked like, to be fair. When he walked in and I saw the name tag Chris, I was like, oh, that's the one from Love Island. You know what I mean?
- [28:27]
Nick Viall
I mean, was it the confrontation with Mickey and him standing up for you that first, like, drew you to him as someone that, like, hey, this is. Yeah, this is a person being a friend in this moment to me. And then you kind of leaned in.
- [28:38]
Chris
It's interesting. I feel like everything in your life happens for a reason. And Mickey doing that definitely kickstarted, you know, Chris and I's friendship. And I don't know, I think, you know, by luck, Chris was there. I don't know what it would have looked like if anybody else was there in that moment, what anybody else would have said. But it worked out exactly the way it was supposed to. And then I think that moment outside, what I really needed was a hug, you know what I mean? And I. But it's day one. You can't ask for a hug from anybody. Also, like, in my head, I'm like, it's day one. Don't cry. Grow up. You know what I mean? And so Chris could see that on my face and he could see that I wasn't okay. And we didn't know each other and it was just. It was a moment and it felt very safe and very comforting. And then, yeah, when he swapped me beds, that meant a lot as well. Cause I was like, this feels nice. You know what I mean? Like, it felt very protective and like, I actually put trust into him being like, yeah, actually he. He would you know, pop him if he got up, you know, And I felt that. And then, yeah, just day by day, I mean, you. You're. It's such an accelerated environment, right? Like, you are spending 24 hours together every single day. There's no other people. There's no outside contact. There's three rooms you can escape to. And so, like, you have to make your own fun. You have to get along. You have to have a good time. You have to, you know, be sad at times, but then find it and be happy. And I think what really brought Chris and I together is we're so similar. And, like, by virtue, we were next to each other at night. I think our energies are just so similar. Our wanting to have fun, our desire to have fun, our desire to be happy, our desire to make others feel good, you know, our desire to work out, our desire to just, like. There's just so many things that, like, he would like, one day, he. He balled up a pair of socks and was like, jojo, think fast, and threw it at me, and I caught it. And I was like, dude, we could play catch with this. And he was like, we could. So we started throwing back and forth, and he was like, wait, we need to make it better. And I was like, here, wrap my hair tie around it. It'll be like an actual ball. And then, you know, we made an actual ball. And we were playing catch for hours. Like, just, like, little by little, we just started to kind of get closer. And then we made up a dance together. And then we spent a lot of our time. Whenever we were bored, we'd be like, let's go rehearse. And then it was just always. Always a laugh, always a good time. But I knew we were really close. When. Honestly, it was pretty early on. It was the first Saturday, and I was laying. We were laying in bed, and our beds were obviously next to each other. And I was looking at him, and something was wrong, and I didn't know what. I don't know him. I've known him since Tuesday. But I could just. I could see that something was wrong. And so I asked him, I said, are you okay? And he was like. And I was like, are you. It's okay. Like, you can, you know, like, if you need to talk, like, I know we don't know each other, but, like, it's actually the same thing. I don't know if you remember this, but on forces, when I told you, I was like, remember when we were in the. We were in the accommodations room, and it was the day that you were getting your first ultrasound.
- [31:36]
Nick Viall
Yeah, yeah.
- [31:37]
Chris
And you were going crazy. And I was like, talk to me. Pretend I'm Natalie. Pretend I'm your brother. Pretend I'm your mom. Like, pretend I'm somebody. Like. And I said a similar thing to Chris. I was like, talk to me. Like, it. Pretend I'm whoever you need me to be, but talk. And he essentially was saying that, like, something that's very similar to what I feel in life, which is, you know, I feel like I'm always on, and I love being on, and I love having energy, and I love, you know, making others feel good, and I love being silly, and I love having fun, but I also love recharging. And here in this environment, you know, there is no recharge station. You're always. You're always going. And I just feel very drained right now, and I feel, like, sad for a second. And I didn't want to make it about me in that moment at all, so I kept it on him. But I was like, damn, I feel that exact same thing. But I've never been able to formulate it. And so that was a moment that I really realized, like, oh, we're similar. You know what I mean? And then that was a moment when I realized, like, oh, I understand him very well. And then for me, I mean, he was there for me in my lowest lows in the house, always. I was having loads of realizations in the house that I didn't want to speak about. But you could see it in my energy, and you could see it in my tone and my body language. And he was there for me throughout all that without talking through it. And same for him. And then our happiest, our highest of highs came from each other as well. So it was just. It was a perfect recipe to make a best friend.
- [32:50]
Nick Viall
Were you aware of the conversations that people were having about you and Chris and the speculation on the outside world? On the outside world?
- [33:00]
Chris
Not a clue. I mean, you have no clue what's going on in the outside world. I asked the diary room every single day, has Katy Perry made it back from outer space? That's what I cared about. And they were like, jojo, we cannot tell you outside information. I was like, it's irrelevant.
- [33:13]
Nick Viall
You blinked and she was back.
- [33:14]
Chris
Yeah, literally. But I was like, come on, it's irrelevant.
- [33:16]
Nick Viall
The Internet was very mad at her.
- [33:18]
Chris
Really? Why? Not to make it about Katy Perry, but give me the 10 second versions?
- [33:23]
Natalie
Because she kind of, like, made the whole thing about every time she talked about It. It was like, oh, I'm like, wearing glam to outer space. And she, like, just kind of made it, like, silly.
- [33:33]
Chris
And then, like, it took away from the.
- [33:35]
Nick Viall
It wasn't just Katy Perry. They were mad at the who whole production of it.
- [33:38]
Chris
But which.
- [33:39]
Natalie
But because then they tried to come out and say, like, oh, no, this is about, like, empowering, like, young girls. And it was like, well, then if it was about that, then you should have highlighted, you know, the women who were on there who have studied this their whole life. But instead you, like, made it about glam and you made it about like, she, like, kissed the ground when she landed and, like, brought back a daisy and she just kind of made it like a meme.
- [34:01]
Chris
Got a whole thing.
- [34:01]
Nick Viall
You know what's kind of fascinating when you think about Katy Perry and what I've got to know about you. It's like we live in this weird time where, you know, being an out of touch celebrity is, like, not enough.
- [34:11]
Chris
It's not cool, right?
- [34:12]
Nick Viall
It's not cool.
- [34:12]
Chris
It's not cool.
- [34:13]
Nick Viall
Like, you know, there. There is a balance of people, like, genuine right now. Yeah, genuine. Yeah. I mean, they always have to a certain degree, but, like. Yeah, it's just. It's just not the time to be.
- [34:24]
Chris
So much now of everybody.
- [34:25]
Nick Viall
Well, yeah, and just to, like, come and then to, like, fake, you know, like, you know, I think because some celebrities are, you know, again, through no fault of their own, have just been so privileged and so, like, put on a pedestal for so long, they don't even know how to be normal, how to relate or bring themselves down to a level of a fan. Which is, again, like, one of my favorite things about you is it's like, I know I knew who you were when I met you, and I certainly knew, like, you know, your Instagram followers. I knew you were a big deal.
- [34:59]
Chris
Go on hiking with you in public.
- [35:01]
Nick Viall
It'S like, like, you know, you really are world famous and it's. It. But, like, it's so just.
- [35:06]
Natalie
But you don't. Yeah, that is so just normal.
- [35:09]
Nick Viall
When I'm with you, you're really normal. Like, you know, it's weird when you're driving with your face on a car around them, you know, that's not normal. But the human. The human Jojo Siwa. It's very you. You. You know how to be relatable.
- [35:23]
Chris
Yeah.
- [35:23]
Nick Viall
You know, like, you. You know how to be Jojo.
- [35:25]
Chris
I'm very lucky. I have a. I have a good family that keeps me.
- [35:28]
Nick Viall
I don't know If a lot of people know that about you, I don't know. I don't know what the public perception of you is.
- [35:33]
Chris
Honestly. I think zero prior to doing Big Brother and now I think post big brother, almost 100% is crazy.
- [35:42]
Natalie
It is. I mean, you do have, like, this. I mean, I remember you, like, FaceTiming my niece and being like, I, like, tell me about your dance competition. And, like, you just, like, you care about people in a way that I don't think any other celebrity with your following, with your fame would care about people. And I think that does make you more, like, human.
- [36:04]
Chris
Thank you. That's. It's something that, like, I think I've been around the opposite so much that it actually makes me cringe when I see the opposite. And I've. I have people in my life that are similar, and it's. I don't know. It's. It's an energy that I love to surround myself with because it's. It's hard. Right. But I also, like. I love that people want to say hi. I love that people want to ask me for good luck on their dance recital. Like, that's adorable. If I was her agent, I got to do that with Hannah Montana. My life would be. I remember going to Miley Cyrus banger store, and I handed her a T shirt. I still think about it to the day. I still question, like, I wonder if she remembers me handing her that T shirt. And, like, it's funny because Miley and I now have met and we have, you know, hung out, and it's like.
- [36:49]
Nick Viall
Have you ever asked her about that?
- [36:50]
Chris
Oh, so what? I showed her the video, and, like, obviously, she's on the bangers. Like, she does not remember me at age 9 giving her a T shirt. But it's just funny.
- [36:58]
Natalie
You said that you, like, learned a lot about yourself throughout this process. What was the first thing that kind of, like, triggered a realization?
- [37:07]
Chris
Oh, man. Ooh, this is. This is. It's actually kind of hard to answer because I don't necessarily know the first, but I remember an early on. I remember. I'll just share. I remember looking at my photo, and because everyone was looking at their photo, and, you know, Jack had his partner, Chris had his dog, Mickey had his dogs. Chesney had his family. Everyone had their photo, and I had mine as well. And it was. It was a group photo with a load of people in it. But I remember looking at it and just thinking, hmm, I wasn't happy this day. And I remembered why I wasn't happy this day. And now I'm here looking at this photo, realizing there is not a single reason that I should not have been happy. This day I'm with my family in Disney World and it's Christmas. And that kind of made me honestly not be able to. There's actually a shot, I've seen it online. I don't know if it's in the episode or was the live stream, but it's on the last or second to last day and it's me staring at the photo and you can just see in my eyes like something's wrong. But this realization started on the first day or the second day, maybe, maybe the second day. And I just remember looking at the photo and being like, okay, what's. What is this? What is this thought? And then that opened a cage of a few, few different areas of my life, to be completely fair and completely honest. Like, it, it was. It wasn't just one area of my life, but it just opened a can of worms that then for a few days, really did me in. Whenever I was occupied of doing something, I was so fine, so happy. Whether that was playing catch with Chris, dancing in the hot tub, playing pirates, whatever it was, if we were doing something, I was great. I was. I was invested. My feet were there and I was feeling happy. The second that I had a time to think, and I remember I would just go sit on the bike and I would just think. My brain just started to run with. With so many things that I have been okay with, I have tolerated that nobody should. And it's. It put a lot of things into perspective for me. And then at the end, those things got validated very quickly. I don't know, it was hard. It was hard to have those realizations and not be able to talk them through with anybody because obviously I know that I'm in a very, very public place and if I start talking about things like that's gonna be something that goes on then outside, that's out of my control. And I don't want that. I don't wanna do that to anybody. But I'm also realizing that I'm in here having these realizations and I like, super had to internalize it. And I think it was actually the best thing for me because I had to formulate my own thoughts for the first time. You know, I didn't have my friends, didn't have my family to help me formulate my thoughts. It was purely me. And that is. It's such a weird concept because you formulate your thoughts without even Knowing it with other people's opinions. Like, you put an outfit on in the morning, okay? And you. You go and, like, forgive me if this is wrong, but, like, you're a girl, so I'm assuming this is going to be right. You put an outfit on the morning. You go see Nick, right? You say, good morning, babe. If he gives you a little bit of a different look, are you ever like, it's my outfit or it's my hair? And you.
- [40:09]
Natalie
I'm like, you think I'm ugly?
- [40:10]
Chris
Yeah. So you hate me?
- [40:11]
Natalie
Yeah.
- [40:11]
Chris
So you think I'm ugly. You hate me.
- [40:12]
Natalie
We're in a divorce.
- [40:14]
Chris
Like, we have split custody and the child, like, you go. You go there, and it's those little things that, like, I had to live without, but then also those big, big, big, big, big things that I then had to live without. And it was hard. It was difficult, but I think it was the best thing that could have happened for me in there.
- [40:30]
Natalie
Looking at that photo, what did you come to, like, the conclusion of that? Like, why weren't you happy?
- [40:37]
Chris
Look, I'll say this. I will. I will say this. Out of respect for another human in this situation. They have asked to not speak about it, for me to not speak about them. And I told them, I said, look, that's going to make me seem like I am avoidant of the situation. I'm not avoidant of the situation. Um, obviously, a lot of people think that Chris has something to do with it. Chris does not have absolutely anything to do with it. Chris and I are friends. We have a very, very great friendship. It's a. It's. It's a very strange. Like, you are meant to be in my life. We have a very special bond. It's genuinely unlike any friendship bond I've ever created. But my situations are completely unrelated, and that kind of got misconstrued, and that's hard because, you know, it's kind of feeding a false narrative.
- [41:22]
Nick Viall
Are we talking about Cath?
- [41:23]
Chris
Yeah.
- [41:23]
Nick Viall
And I obviously want you to be able to respect them and their wishes, but I'm just a little confused because they have been very outspoken in public, which they have a right to do. They're in a public relationship. But it's more like, you know, to your point, you know, there was a lot of people making a lot of assumptions and speculations about, like, your relationship with Chris.
- [41:46]
Chris
Yes.
- [41:47]
Nick Viall
And we can get into your comments about, like, I don't think I'm a lesbian anymore, and things like that, but.
- [41:52]
Chris
Oh, I knew. Coming on the Vile Files I was gonna get into it all. It's like, because I'm going to the Vile Files, which is like hard pressing anyways. But then it's also with my best friend, so it's gonna be easy.
- [42:02]
Natalie
We also just like, want the team.
- [42:04]
Chris
Yeah, yeah. We also just want to know what's going on. And also Nick's like, like older brother vibes. Like Jojo.
- [42:09]
Nick Viall
Well, I mean, it's, you know, I. It's like, it's not, you know, you can't go on a video and share your side of the story and, and speak your piece and then go, please don't keep your name out of my mouth. And look, keep my name out of your. You know, it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [42:26]
Chris
And that's kind of exactly what happened. So they said, I broke up with them at the wrap party. That's not entirely the story. The story, you know, goes. They had mentioned to production they did not want to come to the wrap party. And I said, all good, I'm gonna go to the wrap party.
- [42:40]
Nick Viall
Were they invited?
- [42:41]
Chris
Yeah, of course, of course. But it's not, it's not their environment. And that's so fine. It's so fine. Like, whatever. But I'm gonna go and I'm gonna have a great time and I wanna meet all the crew and it's a big deal and everybody's going. And so they also had gotten the family's hotels and the cast hotels because you have to kind of come down. And I'm already having all these crazy thoughts that I've been having in the house and I need to formulate them. I need to talk to my mom, I need to be alone, I need to look at my phone, I need to see what's going on. I need to realize what am I feeling? What are these thoughts? I'm not in a place to talk, so I'm in a place to have a fun queue opening conversation, but I'm not in a place to actually talk yet. And so I was honest about that. And I mentioned to them, I said, look, I know you don't want to come to the after party, but I'm going to go. And then I'm going to go to my hotel. It's going to be 3:00am, I'm going to go on my phone, so why don't you go to yours and then I'll go to mine and let's reconvene tomorrow morning. And that upset them, rightfully so. They wanted to be with me, but I knew I wasn't in a place for them. They didn't want to go to the wrap party, but they wanted to come to the hotel. But I was like, I'm just not. So anyways, 27. So we. We separated, and they started driving to the hotel. I go to the wrap party. And then about an hour into the wrap party, I was. I got. One of the welfare team said, hey, at the time, my partner said, I want to come now. I've changed my mind. Like, what's the mood? So I took his phone, I filmed a video of the party. I said, it's not really your scene, but if you would love to come, like, come. And then something else happened. I got told something else that they didn't want, and I. It kind of made me feel like, okay, this is very strange. Like, I really don't like this vibe right now.
- [44:09]
Nick Viall
It felt like a setup maybe a little bit.
- [44:10]
Chris
Yeah. And so when they got to the party, I. They had these little, like. They were kind of like mannas for us. They're like little huts. And so we started to have a conversation, and I was like, just come in here for 10 minutes. Let's just have a chat before we go over there. And that conversation started immediate, and I was gonna lead the talking, but then they kind of led the talking. And all I'm saying to every question they ask is, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Are you this? I don't know. Are you that? I don't know, I don't know.
- [44:37]
Nick Viall
It's one of those classic conversations.
- [44:39]
Chris
Are you happy in our relationship?
- [44:41]
Nick Viall
Yeah. Or. But it's just like, hey, I don't want to have this conversation right now. And then, like, but I want to ask you some questions. And then they. They start having the conversation no one wants to have in this moment. And I. And I was like, and all of a sudden, you're having it.
- [44:53]
Chris
And then all of a sudden, we're having it. And all of a sudden, you know, we're at the wrap party for big Brother. I'm getting cussed out. It was very. The security guard kept turning around to me, being like, like. And I was like. You know what I mean? Like. Cause I understand where they're angry and where they're coming at me, but I also keep reiterating, like, I'm not in a place to talk. I was just with 13 people, down to six. Locked away for 20 days. I haven't spoken to anybody. I'm now in a room with 200 people. We're in this hut. It's outside. I haven't slept in 24 hours. I don't know, Overstimulated.
- [45:19]
Natalie
I need to be alone.
- [45:21]
Chris
And now I'm just like. It's just a whirlwind. Anyways, by the. You know, 16 times somebody asks you, are you happy? Do you want to end things? You're gonna just spew your guts. And I was honest, and I said, if you ask me tomorrow, I don't know my answer. If you ask me right now, my answer is yes. And then that. That obviously was taken as yes, and it was a yes and whatever. But then they didn't want to be alone, so I was like, all right, look, come to the hotel. We can continue talking.
- [45:47]
Nick Viall
And, I mean, listen, like, obviously, I get why anyone is sad to have a relationship and they don't want to end, but what was their biggest. I mean, I guess, you know, you go on Big Brother.
- [45:57]
Chris
Yeah.
- [45:57]
Nick Viall
I don't know what their expectations of Big Brother were or what they saw, but, like, you know, you are very much in the public eye.
- [46:04]
Chris
Big Brother is even more in the public eye. I mean, maybe the most public eye. It's literally the eye is the most public eye.
- [46:11]
Nick Viall
Sure. But, like, you have certainly done a lot of things every day to be in the public eye. But obviously, you know, I didn't get to call you when you were there. Like, you're isolated. It's very difficult. Like, you know, I get asked to do things all the time where it's like, hey, but you need to be away from your family. And I'm like, sorry, sorry, Not. Not the time right now.
- [46:32]
Chris
Maybe now he'd leave you for eight days, but not that, baby. Yeah.
- [46:34]
Nick Viall
So I get what were the challenges of. Of anyone dating someone who's going away. But, like, we've talked about this. When I met Natalie, you know, she was also younger, you know, and a lot of it was like, are we at the same stages of life? Like, do we want the same things? Like, is being together taking anything away from the things that she currently wants to do? Dreams, or her. You know, and things like that?
- [46:58]
Chris
I.
- [46:58]
Nick Viall
These are conversations we had to have. These are things I had to consider being in a position where I was older than her at the. I'm always older than her, but I was older than her, and you know what I'm saying? And so what was their expectation about, like, what this experience would be for you?
- [47:14]
Chris
And, like, prior to going in.
- [47:16]
Nick Viall
Prior to going in And I get while, you know, they probably watched it the whole time, but, like, you know, a lot of the speculation around you and Chris was this, like, again, just people, like, at no time am I watching you and Chris and wondering if you're seriously having a thing with this guy or if, you know, like, I know who you are. You know, it was all like, the.
- [47:38]
Chris
Internet's having a buzz and the Internet's having a heyday. It's. Our bond is beautiful, but our bond is what you saw. You know what I mean? There's not anything that we did that you did not see. You know, you saw the extent of it. And so I think people are always gonna do what people do, and I think that people are always gonna believe what they wanna believe. People are always gonna run with what they wanna run with. And I think that's somewhere that I've always just kind of been okay with. You know what I mean?
- [48:06]
Nick Viall
Why do you think they came in with such a feeling of disconnect?
- [48:10]
Chris
I don't know. I really don't know. And it's. It's not my place to speak on behalf of them. I know from me, there should have been no, like, questioning, especially around the boundaries of our relationship.
- [48:24]
Nick Viall
So were you presented with doubts about your actions in the house with Chris.
- [48:29]
Chris
While I was in the house?
- [48:30]
Nick Viall
Yeah.
- [48:31]
Chris
No.
- [48:31]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [48:31]
Chris
No, because I straight up said, what are your boundaries? And I had a few boundaries for them while we were in the house, and they actually did proceed to break those boundaries. I will say that. And that's something that it wasn't big enough for me to care about, but it was something that I had specifically asked, like, hey, look, for the 20 days, just. Just can it with a few conversations. And those conversations actually picked up more. They had in person ones as well. And like, that for me was like, okay, look, I'm ending things anyways. It's just another. It's another reason. You know what I mean? It was another. Another piece of pie on the plate. But at that point, it didn't really matter. No, I definitely never overthought anything with Chris. Yeah.
- [49:08]
Nick Viall
Why, why, why did Kath show up and start pressing you for these answers following this, like, yeah, experience. Like, you would think they would have a little bit more empathy for. Like, you're literally coming out of this mind. Fuck.
- [49:23]
Chris
Yeah.
- [49:23]
Nick Viall
And you were asking for, like, a little bit of time.
- [49:26]
Chris
It's. I'll say this, it's really hard to speak on because we had a mutual agreement. Like, look, let's just cool it For a second, like, we broke up for these reasons. And you know that, you know, you. Kath posted a video basically alluding to Chris and I are the reasons that we broke up. That's not the case. That is not the truth. And they know that and I know that. So they were going to, you know, post their video again, but because they wanted to share their story, but say, like, hey, I did give some misleading information. Like, JoJo and I have talked a bit more. Not here's the truth, because I don't expect them to air out all the reasons why I did end things between us, because if they did, you know, it would be a little crazy, but all good if they wanted to. And I. But I don't. I don't think that's the right thing to do either. But following up that and them saying they were gonna make that statement, I also was going on a morning show the next day with Chris, and we were going to shut the JoJo and Chris rumors down, and we were gonna say we're friends. And I also was sure to say, like, look, life is life. You never know where life's gonna take you. But I can tell you today, right now, Chris and I are friends. We have a great special bond, but we are friends. But in regards to my ex, now, the conversation that I had with them was they were gonna do their video, give a little more context, and then they asked me to not speak about them. And the only reason why I'm okay to briefly speak about them is because they reposted their video and gave no context and then continued to let their friend, who actually, while I was in the house, did something pretty, pretty bad to them, Their friend has been going off on social media trying to, you know, spread the same misinformation. And it's. It's gotten. It's gotten deeper. And so that's the only reason why I'm okay to speak on my behalf out of protection for myself and out of protection for Chris. But I also don't want to speak about them because that was their request was to kind of leave them out.
- [51:13]
Nick Viall
Of it again, which I respect. But it's like.
- [51:15]
Chris
But it's hard because you don't get.
- [51:16]
Nick Viall
To do that, and then you don't.
- [51:18]
Chris
Get to have it both ways. Like, you don't get asked me for a business class flight home and then do that. You know what I mean? Like, it's like. Or just when I already got to a plane ticket home. You know what I mean? Like, it's. I don't know, there's just a lot of, A lot of business class.
- [51:33]
Natalie
Nick doesn't even put me in business class. And you put your ex in business class.
- [51:36]
Chris
No, I, I did not. I was. And I was straight up. I was like, look, you posted the video again. You didn't give any context. Like, I don't feel comfortable asking my team to do that right now. Like, it's a mess. And we had a long talk about it not being a mess anymore, and it's a mess. And I, I think that there's just so much misinformation out there that that would not be the right thing to do right now.
- [51:57]
Natalie
Like, were you just as shocked as, like, the rest of us to see their video?
- [52:01]
Chris
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, absolutely was. I was actually. I was on the phone with my mom and I, I saw it on Instagram first and it was, you know, cut off. So I was like, oh, the full version must be on TikTok. And then I saw the full 13 minute version and I was like, oh, I. Like, I, I'll be genuine. I did not watch it.
- [52:17]
Nick Viall
13 minutes is.
- [52:18]
Natalie
13 minutes is forever.
- [52:19]
Chris
I did not watch it. I did not watch it.
- [52:21]
Natalie
It's a movie.
- [52:21]
Chris
It's a movie. It's, it's, it's. Honestly, I have gotten from an ex a 47 minute audio message before. That takes the cake.
- [52:28]
Natalie
Yeah.
- [52:29]
Chris
Because that was actually, it was a tight typed out message that you could hear them flipping the page, reading it off to me. So the 47 script, that was, that was actually a TV show, I'm gonna.
- [52:38]
Nick Viall
Say a book about a relationship, but please don't talk about it.
- [52:41]
Chris
No, literally. But yeah, I, I was definitely just as shocked. But I, I understand wanting to share your truth. And that is the exact thing that I told my ex. I said, look, if you would like to share what happened, if you would like to share how it happened, that's totally fine. It's your story. It's your life. Please do not lead to the false narrative that's already out there that we are now going to say, hey, look, guys, like, yes, we're very close. We have a beautiful bond. We're meant to be in each other's lives. But, like, can it with these for a second.
- [53:16]
Nick Viall
Like, well, because it's like, well, one, it's not true or accurate and it's just like, again, like, it's also just kind of going against your whole literal, whole identity and then it's painting a narrative.
- [53:28]
Chris
There's so many reasons why my breakup happened.
- [53:31]
Nick Viall
Yeah.
- [53:32]
Chris
Christopher is not one of them. And I mean, look, and I actually told this guy, I was like, maybe it would be easier if he was, but sure, you know what I mean? Like, he is not one of them. So if you're gonna share the story, share the story.
- [53:44]
Nick Viall
Well, that's kind of my point. It's just like that there's. It's not, it's not an accident and there's an implication.
- [53:50]
Chris
Yes.
- [53:50]
Nick Viall
The way they led with it to suggest it again, like this thing. That's not real.
- [53:56]
Chris
Yes.
- [53:57]
Nick Viall
I mean, your friendship is real.
- [53:58]
Chris
Yeah, very.
- [53:59]
Nick Viall
The romantic side of the speculation was just like, again goes. Not only like not true, it goes against your identity, but it also, like, it paints this picture of like infidelity. Kind of like, you know, that speculation of like, again paints you as a villain, paints you as like this, you know, and, and leaning into like an international narrative.
- [54:20]
Chris
Exactly. And it's like, that's where it's like, I understand, I understand. Chris and I are very tight. We have this very beautiful bond, this very beautiful connection. But don't paint it out to look like I cheated on you with him, because I did not. And that is, I will nail my feet into the ground and I will stand on that ground. I did not. I would not, and I have not. You know what I mean?
- [54:42]
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- [55:42]
Nick Viall
Do you want to talk about your comments about not being a lesbian anymore? I mean, I think I, I understand the context, but like, I Don't know.
- [55:50]
Chris
If what I said in the heat of the moment, did I say, fuck being a lesbian? I don't remember saying.
- [55:54]
Nick Viall
That's not my understanding. My understanding is, like, you just said, I'm paraphrasing, but, like, you didn't feel like a lesbian. Fully encompassed, you know, your sexuality.
- [56:06]
Chris
Yeah.
- [56:07]
Nick Viall
And then it honestly seemed most based off the premise that at the time, you were dating a non binary person. So that kind of makes sen to say I'm queer, which is more inclusive.
- [56:18]
Chris
I also was around somebody who's super queer, and I was looking at Danny, and Danny and I had had loads of conversations about, you know, being queer and gender identity, and it was beautiful. And I come out of the house to see that, and I honestly, I'll be really honest, I see the lesbian community coming at me saying, like, how dare you? Whatever. First of all, let's clarify a couple of different things here. Sexuality is fluid. Gender identity are fluid. You can be one thing today and one thing tomorrow. People saying to me that I have never been a lesbian is crazy. That is absolutely crazy. I fell in love with a female at age 17, and like, that same female is in my life. And I. I have a very special place for her. Obviously, our relationship did not work out, but even right now, going through all this shit, she reached out to me today and was like, you can always lean on me. And I was like. Like, I genuinely. I know. Like, so to say that I was never a lesbian, it just. It's like, it's. People are searching for something. But also, why is it not okay to say that I feel more queer now? And I think I was very open. I think a lot of people just jumped and said, oh, she's not a lesbian, because. And I think that's just crazy again on people. But people love a story. And I. I can't blame em. But it's just. It's funny. It's funny how that really ticked people off when the whole thing in the LGBTQIA community is like, sexuality is fluid. Like, God, when I came out, I came out, I was pan. Pansexual. Then I came out as lesbian. Then I was like, maybe I am pansexual. But then maybe I was like, nah, maybe I am a lesbian. Then I was like, maybe I'm bisexual. And I was like, you know what? I think I'm just gay. Don't know what that means. And I was like, ah, maybe I'm a lesbian. And now I'm like, ah, you know what? I think I'm Just queer. I think I just am. I think I just exist. I think I'm done having my eyes be so one sided, you know what I mean? And I think I just. Now I'm like, I can just exist. Clearly can't in this world.
- [58:07]
Nick Viall
Well, yeah, I mean, thanks for clearing that up. I mean, I.
- [58:10]
Chris
The funniest thing to have to clear up. It's so funny.
- [58:13]
Nick Viall
I know it's silly and funny and stupid, but at the same time, to your point, it is also your identity. And you've been at the forefront, you know, as a huge public figure who's a part of the community. You've obviously been a leader, you've been a spokesperson, you've been a voice. And I'm sure it must be met with some frustration on your part to just like, speak openly about your feelings, about your sexuality and. And seemingly a safe environment.
- [58:40]
Chris
If I'm so honest, I could literally care less because no one can decide my sexuality, not even me. You know what I mean? I can't help what I feel. I can't help who I fall for. That's how I realized I was gay in the first place. And I think I had to learn at such a young age, honestly, with my height. People bullied me for being tall. I said I was a giant toddler, I was too tall for my age. And I learned at that point I can control a lot of things. I can't control my height. And then I realized the same thing with my hairline. And then I realized the same thing with my voice. And then I realized the same thing with the, you know, my body weight. And then I realized the same thing with everything down, down the line. And so I think now I'm at the point where it's like, oh my God, people are really going there. Like, you can't, like, you can't control that. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, people just. People just jump. But I think part of the realization of being queer was me in the house realizing I'm not entirely happy. And maybe that's a side of me that's not happy, you know what I mean? Maybe that's. I'm. I'm putting myself somewhere. And the thing is, queer's a very umbrella term, you know what I mean? It's very umbrella term. And it kind of just encompasses the entire community. And I was like, that's where I feel, you know, I don't feel. That's a lot of the talks that Danny and I had where you don't need to put yourself in a box within the community, you can just be. And that was a beautiful conversation that him and I had. And that's kind of what made me realize, like, oh, I don't need to be in a box. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. I can and have open eyes and an open heart and walk with one foot in front of the other.
- [60:05]
Nick Viall
Well said. Thank you.
- [60:07]
Chris
Thank you. Thanks, guys.
- [60:09]
Nick Viall
How much, now that you're back, are you, you know, because prior to going on Big Brother and experiencing this normal Jojo, as you kind of referred to it, you've been out there just, you know, grinding, working hard, your music career, dropping music, going viral, and having the Internet talk about you both positively and negatively, you know, and you just keep on plugging. But, like, a lot of, you know, especially your music career is more this kind of brash, you know, shock value. Jojo.
- [60:41]
Chris
Not anymore, babe.
- [60:42]
Nick Viall
We're done with that.
- [60:43]
Chris
We're done with that. So another realization that I had in Big Brother, I was like, I'm faking this. I am trying to do music to try and get as big of a click as possible and trying to, you know, shock as many people as possible. And I'm like, I'm not happy with that. So my next song coming out is actually. It's called Bulletproof, and it's about not being bulletproof. It's. The video is. Is. Is purely dance, and that's what makes me happy. And it' It's. It's fun. It feels finally, like, back to just making art instead of making art that I hope will be successful. Like, if it's successful, great. If it's not, we'll try again with something else. But I'm doing it because, you know, I love it.
- [61:16]
Nick Viall
So what specifically are you done with when it comes to your music career?
- [61:19]
Chris
I think just not doing things anymore for the shock value. Doing them because I love them or because I think it's gonna be fun. I think that's one thing that as a kid, I really realized is when I had fun, that's what worked and translated well to the audience. And I think even coming out of Big Brother, I think I really found massive parts of myself. And I almost remembered that. You know what I mean? And I was thinking, I was like, I don't need to be stressed doing a music video. I need to have fun doing it.
- [61:46]
Nick Viall
Is there a world where, like, I was actually talking to Tyler about this over the weekend, and, like, there's a part of me that hopes that you get To a point in your life where you just, like, you've accomplished all your dreams. You're, you know, you have more money than you know what to do with. I don't know your financial situation, but I think you're doing okay. And you just kind of pick an entirely different life that truly is normal. Like, and I don't even, like, listen, like, who, who am I to say what that should be? No, I, I don't think my life is normal. You know, I feel very privileged and blessed to be able to do what I do. But, like, there is like, we, we work hard on keeping us, you know, just having as much. Like, we do a lot of normal things and we, and we embrace that and we don' to lose that. And so much of your life from such a young age has been the opposite of normal. And because of your value and because of the value you bring to so many people around you, I just don't see a lot of people letting you be normal. And do you think that's something that's going to be a challenge, even if you want it for yourself?
- [62:52]
Chris
Honestly, I really don't. I don't see that being a challenge. That's actually something too, like, and that goes back to the Chris conversation that he was having. That's one thing about his friendship that. Or just our dynamic that's really nice is it feels so normal because we're both this, like, boom. And then it's like, feels so normal when it's just, like, down. And so, like, I think I try to find that within friends, right, where I can have those moments, and I definitely have those moments. But I get what you're saying of like, is there ever a point where you would almost be like, all right, I'm. I'm call it retired. You know what I mean? And honestly, I hate this answer because it's horrible and it makes me sad and I don't like it and I don't like to think about it. But yes, there will be a day where. When my right hand man passes away, and it will be the saddest day of my life because she is my mom. I will be done. And it's purely for the reason of I can do it without her, but I don't want to. I think that she is the other half of my career, and I'm very grateful for that and she always has been. And I could, I could do a show like Big Brother. I could come on your podcast. I could do stuff like that, but I could never do a music video Or a live performance or, you know, star in a movie. I could do small little things here and there and have fun.
- [64:12]
Natalie
Or your outfits.
- [64:13]
Chris
But I. What outfit would I wear? Yeah, what outfit? Who's going to book everybody?
- [64:18]
Nick Viall
You never would be. I mean, who knows?
- [64:21]
Chris
Like you said at that point, give me babies, give me a house.
- [64:24]
Nick Viall
But you. Like, I don't know what you'll be doing, but you're such a doer, and you're so.
- [64:28]
Chris
Oh, no. I'll open a dance studio.
- [64:30]
Nick Viall
Yeah. I mean, it's like, you will never retire. It's just like. It might be different.
- [64:34]
Chris
I love indoor skydiving, and my brother's now an instructor, and so I always talk about. I would open a tunnel and own a tunnel and employ him and let him run it. It. I also would open a dance studio in a heartbeat, even keep the one I have now and just open it. I would. Yeah. Heartbeat. Like, I. I will do something. Maybe I'll open a coffee shop. Who knows? Honestly, knowing me, I'll figure out whatever it is my kids want to do, and I'll start embracing that. And if they want to play soccer, I'll probably, you know, buy a soccer team. And we're gonna be the best soccer player there's ever been, you know?
- [65:02]
Natalie
Are you still stuck on Freddie, Eddie, and Teddy, or have we moved on from.
- [65:05]
Chris
No, I've moved on. Are you ready for this one, Freddie? Stay ready as day. But Silver. Silver. Siwa. Wow. Isn't that so fun?
- [65:14]
Natalie
That reminds me of 902. And I have the girl Aaron Silver, and she went by Silver.
- [65:17]
Chris
It's cute. My brother wants to name his. Get out of here. My brother wants to name their kid golden and Goldie. Name it Goldie. So I was like, if his kid's name was golden and mine was Silver. That's Silver.
- [65:28]
Nick Viall
We were talking about this yesterday. Yeah, JoJo on the show. And Silver is. It's doable. Golden's definitely better.
- [65:36]
Chris
Gold.
- [65:37]
Nick Viall
Well, golden was the name of Natalie's stepdad, so there you go.
- [65:39]
Chris
It's cute. Goldie. Golden. It's cute.
- [65:41]
Nick Viall
You just can't name. Don't go so far that you're just naming your kid things like Ready, Eddie and Teddy. No, that's a name. Those are names, you know, like.
- [65:50]
Natalie
No, you mean like influencers like Canada are kind of taking it to a next level and doing, like, you're saying.
- [65:56]
Chris
Silver crazy names, too. Maybe Silver would just be the nickname.
- [66:00]
Natalie
Well, didn't you get, like, Freddy, Eddie, and Teddy tattoo?
- [66:02]
Nick Viall
Silver's not Bad. So Silver's doable. Like, it's borderline.
- [66:06]
Chris
It's doable. A pretty Eddie and Teddy tattoo.
- [66:08]
Natalie
Didn't you get it tattooed on you?
- [66:09]
Chris
No, I have not. I. Those are all fake. But I do have a child now from big brother. I don't know if he got much airtime, but, yeah, Christopher and I had a child. There's a clickbait, but we had a child. His name is Chase. If you ask Chesney, though, his name is Lenny.
- [66:24]
Nick Viall
And this child is a teddy bear.
- [66:26]
Natalie
Yes, of course. Yeah, of course.
- [66:31]
Chris
But, like, we.
- [66:32]
Nick Viall
Custody.
- [66:33]
Chris
I do right now. But we have spoken about the custody, and, like, we do have to split him. Yeah, like, we have definitely spoken about that.
- [66:39]
Natalie
But, like, splitting, like, cross country. Like, he's.
- [66:41]
Chris
Yeah. Like, we'll ship him back and forth. Or, like, you know, if Chris comes here, he can take him home, and then if I come there, I would take him home. Like. Well, we'll pass the baby.
- [66:48]
Nick Viall
I know you were asked, like, at the reunion about the. Like, what did you say, 48 hours later.
- [66:53]
Chris
Yeah.
- [66:53]
Nick Viall
But, like, in that moment, like, was it really just about, like, you were tired of confessing things on camera?
- [67:01]
Chris
No, it was. I had just gotten my letter, and my letter confirmed every thought and doubt that I already had.
- [67:08]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [67:08]
Chris
And then. Yeah, so that was like. And I really wanted to confide in him, and I wanted to talk to him, and I wanted to tell him things, but I couldn't. Out of production. And so. Yeah.
- [67:19]
Natalie
Did you talk to them about the letter, or was that kind of, like.
- [67:24]
Chris
You know, what you did? Yeah, I did. And, yeah, I found out that that letter, you know, had gone through a few lines. Are you sure that's what you want to say? And. Yes, I'm sure. And so that. It was just hard. Look, it verified everything I was already thinking, and that's okay. It's okay. And I think that they're a wonderful human, just not for me. And that's okay.
- [67:49]
Nick Viall
What does your love life look like in your eyes in the near future?
- [67:55]
Chris
Great question. I don't know.
- [67:57]
Natalie
Are you already dating somebody?
- [67:58]
Chris
No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can't. So new.
- [68:06]
Nick Viall
It's like, I was flying back, and.
- [68:08]
Natalie
Wouldn'T you know, it's a flight attendant.
- [68:11]
Chris
No, I. No, no, no. It's. It's. I want to. I want to breathe.
- [68:16]
Nick Viall
Well, how. I mean, but, you know, when I met you, you were.
- [68:21]
Chris
I don't know.
- [68:21]
Nick Viall
I forgot who you're talking to or dating you opened up to me a little bit about your dating life at the time and like you were 20 and like you were kind of like, hey, I'm only 21. And I was kind of like, hey, you're only 21. So like just, yeah, live your life, figure yourself out.
- [68:36]
Chris
And I think I, for me, I jump quickly and I think maybe I just need to, you know, have fun, explore. Explore myself, explore, you know, people, have fun. I'm definitely a connections person. Like I really care about comfort within somebody. You know, I'm not the type that's just like going to go have a night out, rail and get out. Like, that's not my vibe all. I'm definitely somebody who's a, a feeler and I'm a lover and I, I don't know.
- [69:04]
Nick Viall
I think you'll rent a U haul anytime.
- [69:05]
Chris
I know U haul anymore. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am. No, I just want to be. I just want to. I just want to live and I just want to be happy. And I can say that I'm very, very happy, very happy right now.
- [69:15]
Nick Viall
And I, I think single Jojo is like a. A good Jojo for the time.
- [69:19]
Chris
Yeah, I think I just, I think I realized. Okay, let me. We're gonna pretend you re asked me. Okay, what's your love life look like right now? I'm so happy where I'm at right now that I just wanna stay here. Whatever. Whatever that means. Whatever this is. I'm great here.
- [69:37]
Natalie
Did you see we posted our full length wedding video on Instagram?
- [69:41]
Chris
Oh, I haven't seen it in my Instagram. You're in it.
- [69:43]
Natalie
I was gonna say you're in it with like your four ex girlfriends here.
- [69:49]
Chris
Three. Get it? Right.
- [69:52]
Nick Viall
Sorry.
- [69:52]
Chris
Sorry.
- [69:53]
Nick Viall
We allowed people to bring guests. We did.
- [69:55]
Natalie
We said bring your plus ones.
- [69:56]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [69:56]
Chris
Can I be fully honest? Can I be fully honest? I didn't know. And now that we're planning my brother's wedding, I didn't know how real wedding guests were. I didn't. But like, I didn't know that that was like a thing. And like, I see us inviting my brother and we're like, is the relationship that serious? Maybe we shouldn't invite them? Like, and so I see that now. And I never realized with your guys's wedding. Do you know your wedding was the first one that I've gone to as like a conscious adult? Like, I went to one as like a four year old.
- [70:23]
Nick Viall
I did not know that.
- [70:24]
Chris
No, your wedding was like genuinely. Oh, I guess I went to my Cousins. But, like, showed up, went out, and, like, it's my cousin. Yeah. But, like, genuinely, as a conscious adult, like, first wedding I've ever gone to. And so I didn't know any of those things. You know what I mean? I do.
- [70:37]
Natalie
I remember you were like.
- [70:39]
Chris
I mean, it's pretty obvious I didn't know that.
- [70:40]
Natalie
I remember you're all like, my niece who's 10 years old, you know, doesn't know anything about anything. And she said you were. You were, like, making out with your girlfriend at the time. And she goes, mommy, Jojo really likes.
- [70:51]
Chris
That girl over there. You're making out there. That's gross. Jojo really likes that. I'm staying right where I am now. I'm happy now.
- [71:01]
Nick Viall
That's what you don't do. And I've. And. And so many people have done this, and I've done this. And I have a large family, so it happens a lot. But, like, weddings, you get invited, plus one. Bring a stranger. It doesn't matter. It's a plus one. You don't have to, like.
- [71:14]
Chris
You don't have them in the photos.
- [71:16]
Nick Viall
Don't bring him. The family photos. Like, the family photos forever. No.
- [71:19]
Chris
My par.
- [71:20]
Nick Viall
People are like, I want my girlfriend, I want my boyfriend. And, like, there's so many randoms in my family photos from people who are.
- [71:27]
Chris
Just, like my parents already said it, decades old.
- [71:29]
Nick Viall
I don't know.
- [71:30]
Chris
I don't care if you're dating the love of your life. They're not in those photos.
- [71:33]
Nick Viall
You always can do the one at the end. Like, all right, now bring in everyone to make some people feel included. But, like, you're not part of the. The actual family photos. Like, people make those mistakes all the time. Just, like, who the fuck is that in the photo?
- [71:48]
Natalie
Like, oh, it was that. Yeah, I was that girl I saw for, like, a couple weeks.
- [71:52]
Nick Viall
My bad.
- [71:53]
Chris
Sorry. I thought we were gonna make it.
- [71:54]
Natalie
Yeah.
- [71:56]
Nick Viall
So music, to be clear. Because I just don't want. I don't want people to think you're done with music or anything. Very. You're.
- [72:03]
Chris
I'm very much so in on music. I love music. I love creating music. I love performing. I'm going on tour later this year all over North America and Canada. I am performing in Mexico City coming up. I'm performing in Chicago. Mexico city, Mexico, is May 17th.
- [72:20]
Natalie
We'd love to come, but May 17th.
- [72:24]
Nick Viall
I really wanna go to Mexico City, period. And it would be cool to go. See you there.
- [72:27]
Chris
Would've been fun. Okay. There'll be more. There'll be more. Yeah, Yeah. I have a lot of performances coming up, maybe even some back in the uk, which I'm very, very excited about. I'd get to go see my family over there now.
- [72:36]
Nick Viall
Is Chris gonna come visit?
- [72:38]
Chris
I really hope so. I really hope so. I would think. I mean, look, we lived together and obviously him and I have a very, very, very special, special little connection. I think I give us about, like a week of not being around each other to be like, hey, like, really miss you. Like, actually miss your presence. And like, we've spoken so much since we've left, obviously. But yeah, it's really weird to go from living together, doing. I mean, and you're not just living. Right, and sleeping and eating. Like, think about everything you do on a day to day basis. Okay. Like, you walk into your closet and you get dressed and you're out in the kitchen cooking breakfast. Right? Right. You're. That doesn't happen there. There is no closet that you go into just to get dressed. You're dressing in front of each other. You shower in front of each other. Like, it's like you are purely living together and then with 13 other people. And so it's like once you gravitate towards each other, you just do.
- [73:31]
Natalie
It's like. You saw Chris's penis.
- [73:33]
Chris
No, did see his ass. Did see his ass. And everybody saw it straight on camera. But, you know, I actually. I didn't see one penis while I was there. Really.
- [73:46]
Natalie
Do they have, like, the fog in front of.
- [73:48]
Chris
They do, yeah, they have the fog. Yeah. No, no, no. BPs were shown.
- [73:53]
Natalie
Thank God. I don't know if I'd recover if I saw Pinky for.
- [73:57]
Chris
No, I don't think. I don't. I don't think any of us.
- [73:59]
Natalie
Scarred for life.
- [74:00]
Chris
Yeah.
- [74:01]
Nick Viall
What are some of the things your fans are just dying to know about you that you never want to share?
- [74:05]
Chris
Some of the things that I mean. Okay, look, genuinely right now, everyone has been saying, what was the 48 hours? What did you draw in his hand? What are Chris and Jojo?
- [74:13]
Nick Viall
What did you draw on his hand?
- [74:15]
Chris
Can I be so completely honest? Don't remember.
- [74:18]
Nick Viall
Okay.
- [74:19]
Chris
Don't remember exactly at all. We used to talk for the first few nights. We talked genuinely for like an hour. And we would just laugh and we would talk and, like, about nothing. Like, we just, like, tried to stay awake.
- [74:30]
Nick Viall
Well, okay, let me. I have a question. All right, so for the p. Well, just for all the people who are listening to this and everything you're saying makes a ton of sense to me. And we all know the Internet, like, likes to run with the narrative and blow it out of proportion. But if there is anyone out there who is listening to this interview and just says, I know I saw with my own eyes. I saw what I saw. You guys have something special. There's, like, this connection. Like, what are. What do you want people to realize or know about this relationship with Chris and why it can be what it is in your mind and still be nothing more than platonic? Like, yeah, there are. I think there is a lot of ignorance and, like, people who are confused about the conversations around sexual identity and things like that. And then we put in these, like. Like these barriers in our head of what we think that means or what that doesn't mean. So, like, why. Why do you feel like you could connect with Chris the way that you did? You know, there's the scenes where he's kind of caressing you on the back, like, I get it.
- [75:31]
Chris
Back scratch.
- [75:32]
Nick Viall
Why can you do that? And it doesn't have to mean it's some sort of sexual thing or why. It doesn't have to mean, you know, you're questioning your sexual identity because of this man, et cetera, et cetera.
- [75:43]
Chris
Yeah, I'll be. I'll be so honest. I wish I could explain it. It's interesting. When I sent. I sent Chris a sappy text when I left. Cause I was very sad. I was very sad to leave the UK in general. I was very sad to leave the Big Brother family. I was very sad. He was the last person that I saw. Cause we were doing this Morning Together, which is a morning talk show over there. And in that sappy text I wrote and I said, I love that. I can't explain. I love it because it just is. It just exists. I think that it's people. People can see that whatever it is, is special. And it doesn't. That there's so many different kinds of special. I have so many people in my life that have come into my life and I've gone, oh, they're different. They're a different person in my life, and they're meant to be here. And he is a layer of that and a level of that. And I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to spend time, effort, energy on trying to convince somebody of something. It's. It's. It's not worth it. We had a great time together. We will continue having a great time together. A lot of people in the beginning thought our friendship wasn't Genuine thought we were using each other. That was honestly hilarious to us because we were like, we would tick each other off in two seconds if we weren't genuine. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I think that the world, no matter what, and Chris has said this as well, like, the world is just going to do what the world does and people are going to talk and people are going to have theories and people are going to come up with things and. And the funniest part of it all is Chris and I are gonna play tennis and go for a roast and, you know, see the same thing that the world sees and laugh and have a good time and enjoy it and practice our dance and be happy and be people in each other's lives for hopefully ever. I mean, in some form.
- [77:24]
Nick Viall
That's amazing. It's a good place to end it.
- [77:26]
Chris
Yeah, it's just. It's. It's just, who wouldn't wanna have fun? Who wouldn't wanna have a good time? Who wouldn't wanna make a friend? You know what I mean? I think. And we're both very similar in that way. And I'm. Yeah, it's a very special. It's a very special friendship. That just is one of the last things I said to him on the show. Like, you were meant to be in my life and I'm grateful that this has brought you into it.
- [77:46]
Nick Viall
Well, thanks for coming on. I love who you are.
- [77:49]
Chris
I love you.
- [77:49]
Nick Viall
I love who you are, you know, and I'm proud of you and I'm glad more and more people get to discover this version of JoJo. It's my favorite version of you. And, you know, you know, it's when you're working, you're out being Jojo Siwa, you know, and the loud, kind of colorful person that you can be. It's great. But, like, yeah, I love this version that people get to see more of and I'm just, you know, proud of you.
- [78:18]
Chris
Thank you. I appreciate that very, very much. Love you very, very much, both of you. Yay.
- [78:23]
Nick Viall
Thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye.
- [78:26]
Chris
Bye.
- [78:40]
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