E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files – Episode E926

Title: Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Burge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Release Date: May 1, 2025
Hosts: Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, and the Household

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1. Introduction and Episode Overview

In Episode E926 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall, alongside Natalie Joy and the Household, delves deep into the latest happenings in reality television, pop culture, and celebrity news. The episode features special guests Laura Lee, Manny MUA, and George Burge, who bring their unique perspectives and insider insights to the conversation.

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2. Reality Recap of "The Valley"

Nick introduces the episode by highlighting his obsession with the reality show "The Valley". He emphasizes the show's engaging nature, stating, "It's really good. It's almost, it's almost a phone down show." [00:13]. This sets the stage for a detailed discussion on the show's dynamics.

a. Michelle, Jesse, and Janet's Dynamics

Laura Lee and Manny MUA provide critical insights into the interpersonal conflicts within the show. They scrutinize the toxic environment fostered by contestants like Michelle and Jesse. Laura comments, "They're both like, I think they're both on the same even playing field." [01:31], highlighting the manipulative tactics used to create drama.

b. Critique of Behavior and Manipulations

The conversation delves into Jesse's questionable actions, including his use of group chats for dubious purposes. Nick questions Jesse's authenticity, asking, "Is he just doing it for the bit? You know, is it like, is he just doing it for the bit?" [03:09]. This skepticism underscores the broader theme of manipulation and insincerity among reality TV personalities.

c. Janet's Gameplay and Strategies

Laura and Cameron discuss Janet's strategic behavior, particularly her obsession with winning at social games like Dave and Buster's. Laura criticizes Janet, stating, "She's a monster. And so gross and disgusting." [07:08]. They argue that Janet's actions are not about growth but rather aimed at causing destruction and tarnishing others' reputations.

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3. Insights from Laura Lee & Manny MUA

a. Interaction with Love Island Cast

Laura Lee and Manny MUA share anecdotes from their recent trip to Coachella, where they traveled with members of Love Island. They describe the supportive and loving interactions among the cast members, noting, "They were holding hands and all that." [26:32]. This segment offers listeners a glimpse into the camaraderie and behind-the-scenes moments of reality TV stars.

b. Social Media Experiences and Glitches

The hosts discuss instances of unexpected social media behaviors, such as accidental unfollows on Instagram. Manny shares a relatable experience, "They’re like, oh my God, Kayla and follow. So then she refollowed her." [27:30], highlighting the sometimes confusing nature of online interactions among celebrities.

c. Discussions on Mormon Representations

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the portrayal of Mormon wives in reality TV. The hosts critique the show's depiction, arguing that characters like Janet are misrepresented. Laura asserts, "We're trying to rape my life as Mormon, which is totally wrong." [42:24], emphasizing the need for authentic representations rather than stereotypical portrayals.

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4. Interview with George Burge

The latter half of the episode features an engaging interview with George Burge, who recently performed alongside Lana Del Rey at Stagecoach. George shares his journey in the country music scene, offering inspiring stories and valuable insights.

a. Performance with Lana Del Rey at Stagecoach

George recounts the surreal experience of receiving an unexpected invitation to perform with Lana Del Rey. He describes the initial skepticism, "I was like, who's Post Malone? I have no idea who that is." [74:00], before realizing the authenticity of the opportunity. His enthusiasm is palpable as he exclaims, "It’s a rush like none other, that’s for sure." [84:06].

b. Music Career Highlights and Inspirations

George details his breakthrough moment with Jason Aldean, sharing how securing his first number one hit transformed his career. He explains, "The thing about country music is no matter how good you are, unless somebody gives you a hand up, you're never gonna get a big enough platform to break all the way." [87:08]. This highlights the importance of mentorship and support within the industry.

c. Influence of George on the Country Genre

Discussing the evolution of country music, George praises artists like Post Malone for their genuine integration into the genre. He states, "Post Malone coming and living in Nashville for two years and riding with all Nashville songwriters and featuring Nashville artists on his record, I think he did it in such a perfect way." [90:23]. George emphasizes the blend of traditional values with modern influences as key to the genre's growth.

d. Upcoming Projects and Album

Looking ahead, George expresses excitement about his upcoming album, "We are working on an album right now. I've got a bunch of writers out on the bus with me on tour this summer." [76:55]. He hints at potential collaborations and the continued evolution of his musical style.

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5. Conclusion

Episode E926 of The Viall Files offers a comprehensive dive into the complexities of reality television and the evolving landscape of country music. With insightful critiques, personal anecdotes, and an inspiring interview with George Burge, listeners are treated to a rich tapestry of discussions that illuminate the multifaceted nature of pop culture and entertainment.

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Notable Quotes:

• Nick: "It's really good. It's almost, it's almost a phone down show." [00:13]

• Laura Lee: "She's a monster. And so gross and disgusting." [07:08]

• George Burge: "Post Malone coming and living in Nashville for two years and riding with all Nashville songwriters and featuring Nashville artists on his record, I think he did it in such a perfect way." [90:23]

• George Burge: "The thing about country music is no matter how good you are, unless somebody gives you a hand up, you're never gonna get a big enough platform to break all the way." [87:08]

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Disclaimer: This summary omits advertisements, introductory segments, and non-content sections to focus solely on the core discussions and insights presented in the episode.

Transcript

[Natalie]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition. I am your host, Nick, and hope everyone is having a wonderful Thursday. Thursday. We have a great show lined up for you later this episode. Laura Lee and Manny Mua will be joining us to talk all things pop culture, some reality tv. They're big fans of all of the above and I think recently they were on a plane with some of the Love island people. So maybe they have some tea. What's going on in. In that world? Also late of the episode, George Burge is with us, who recently we saw make a little cameo when we saw Lana Del Rey over at Stagecoach. He came on stage, performed with her, and so we're like, hey, if you're in town, come stop by and say hi. And he is, and we will be talking to him later this episode. But before we get into all that, we watched the Valley last night. I'm, I'm obsessed with the show. It's really good. It's. It's almost, it's almost a phone down show. And I don't say that a lot about a lot of reality TV because honestly, like, you can kind of check in, check out, you know, rewind, but like, you really got to pay attention to this one.

[Laura Lee]

So much is happening in every scene and I'm just like, wait, wait, Michelle said what, Jax?

[George Burge]

What?

[Laura Lee]

You're going.

[Nick]

Where is Michelle as toxic as Jesse?

[Manny Mua]

Honestly?

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, they're both like. I think they're both on the same even playing field. I was like doing a vote for who can stay in a house that he rented. Like putting your friends in that, in that toxic environment where it's like, okay, we can't even be in the same place with you guys.

[Cameron Marlo]

And then like breaking down when they don't choose you, choose you. It was like, well, yeah, I mean, it's his trip. She's like, yeah, I don't care.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, that doesn't matter. Where does it not matter?

[Nick]

I mean, if they're going to pick a fight, at least a fair one. Yeah, I mean, not even fair. It's just more like, give yourself a chance to win, you know where? It's just like, he did pay for it's.

[Cameron Marlo]

I do wish she would have like confronted him at Dave and Buster's about the text, but maybe we'll get that in Santa Barbara. But it's like.

[Laura Lee]

But like, was I the only one that lost my mind when it was like a joke?

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Nick]

Yeah, you lost your Mind at Jesse.

[Laura Lee]

Well, I just lost my mind in general. Yeah. Because I was just like, okay, you said something so disgusting about your, your wife, soon to be ex wife, to figure out who the mole was.

[Nick]

First of all, it was a lie.

[Laura Lee]

It was a lie.

[Nick]

I don't think that was a lie.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yes, it was.

[Nick]

Think it was a lie?

[Cameron Marlo]

No, no, I don't think that he did it to figure out who the mole.

[Nick]

Of course not. Yes, of course not.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, he used that. Yeah.

[Nick]

These are not sophisticated, covert men. If they really thought a mole was in the group, they would just start asking around. And to Nia's point, like, many of these husbands have wives and partners who have their cell phones. So this is not like a locked state secret, like secret security group chat that getting into, if you know what I'm saying. And at this point in your life, if you really have like a boys group chat that like somehow is like you're discussing things that like your wife shouldn't know about, like grow the up.

[Manny Mua]

Literally.

[Laura Lee]

So icky. And he's like, it's like 20 guys in this group chat. And I was like, no, no, no.

[Nick]

There is like, I, I, I, I really, I do want, I want to meet Jesse. I've invited him on this show. We'll see if he actually comes. I will say to his credit, he has, I don't know if he's paid attention to what we've said about him. He has replied, he's shown an interest and Quiet. Got a little quiet. Okay, not sure, but like, I just, every episode he, he does something that I honestly just like, is he just doing it for the bit? You know, is it like, is his friend is Jax Taylor? And maybe Jax has had him down and been like, listen, man, it's all a game. It's all fake. Like, if you're fine with people thinking you're one of the worst men on this planet, like you, you can have a job and be on tv and like. Yeah, it's all, you know, is he doing that? Because honestly, some of this stuff he does is so off putting.

[Laura Lee]

Yep.

[Nick]

And so gross and disgusting. I just can't, I can't. Does he watch, does he do this show and watch the show and hope that some people are his fans? You know? Like, is he.

[Laura Lee]

I'm like, are you going the Spencer Pratt route and being like, I will be the biggest villain in the world and have everyone hate me to love me?

[Nick]

I don't. I didn't watch Spencer Pratt back in the early 2000s, but was he A misogynistic pig towards his wife.

[Laura Lee]

Absolutely not. If anything, people thought he was, like, controlling because he's trying to protect Heidi, but it was like doing the most being like, you can't. You can't watch the show back.

[Cameron Marlo]

You can't.

[Laura Lee]

Da, da, da. Like, it's not good for you. But then everyone's like, he's a monster. And then come to find out that he's actually just, like, loved his wife and his partner.

[Nick]

Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out, like, what. What are we miss reading about Jesse, you know what I'm saying? Like, if fast forward 10 years from now, he's still in the reality TV game and he's outside of the Valley, like, what is.

[Laura Lee]

I don't know. I feel like it's just like that person that you don't want to get into a conversation with at a party. Like, it's just like, wait, what the fuck just came out of your mouth?

[George Burge]

Jesse, to me, gives, like, watched Entourage and took notes.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah.

[George Burge]

You know what I mean?

[Laura Lee]

Took it to heart.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[George Burge]

You know when somebody. You just realize somebody views things in a completely different way than you. I think that might just be Jesse.

[Cameron Marlo]

Him sitting at that table with Kristen and Luke, like, giving the whole, like. And then I found the honey in my pantry. And what did I do next? I found him on social media. And what was in his bio? The Honey Company. And guess what he gets the. The honey comes from Runyon. Guess who's going to Runyon every morning? Michelle. It was like, he's, like, playing this, like, FBI game. It was crazy.

[George Burge]

He's gonna find Shakira's jam.

[Cameron Marlo]

Also, a lot of people wear makeup on Runyon Canyon. Just putting that out there.

[Laura Lee]

That when Kristen said, I was like, girl, that's not true.

[Nick]

That is true.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah. Everyone in LA is wearing makeup on.

[Laura Lee]

Run, yet they're hoping they're getting discovered on Running.

[Cameron Marlo]

Picture. They're vlogging. Everyone's wearing makeup. It's a fashion show. They bump into a director, the nerve.

[Nick]

To criticize Michelle's emotional matur maturity or lack of growth. And it's just like you're spending all your time deep diving Instagram to try to prove that your ex wife, who clearly hates you, clearly hates you. You know she hates you. She can't say, I hate my ex husband enough. So it's like, what are. What are you trying to prove? The only thing I think he's trying to do is what Michelle says over and over is to try to, like, make her life as Miserable as possible and make the world hate her instead of her hating Jesse. And I'm just trying to figure out what part of that is, like, growth.

[Laura Lee]

Absolutely none of it. It's actually wild to watch him criticize where it's like, you literally are planting seeds. Where it's like, well, if it's not that she cheated on me multiple times during our marriage, then how about she's a prostitute?

[Cameron Marlo]

Literally, like, it's just like.

[Laura Lee]

He's like, something will stick, Something will hurt her, Something will ruin her job, ruin her life, make her boyfriend break up with her. And it's just like, it's so obvious. And that's why even him not going up and talking to her after the rumor was exposed. It's just like, you don't care. You just want to cause as much destruction as possible and say, hands free.

[Cameron Marlo]

Also, Janet looking at Michelle sobbing in the corner and then continuing to, like, dance at her coin machine game was.

[Laura Lee]

We all know that girl to watch. We all know that girl.

[Cameron Marlo]

I'm kind of.

[Manny Mua]

It's my birthday.

[Cameron Marlo]

Literally, it's my birthday. Why didn't they just go to a casino?

[Laura Lee]

These are adults.

[Cameron Marlo]

Why are they going to Dave and Buster?

[Manny Mua]

Janet never known that.

[Nick]

Janet. It's not about winning money. It's awes. All about control. It's all about, like, getting everyone to do what she likes to do and have fun. And, like, she. She doesn't care about winning money. She cares about, like, again, like, I'm pretty sure she was being serious when she's like, all right, step one, we do this. Step two, we look at the prizes we want to see if we can earn, and then we go and find the games that is the easiest to earn.

[Cameron Marlo]

Also, the prizes she wanted the Dave and Buster's drone. Like, what are you doing with a Dave and Buster's drone? What do you have to record?

[Manny Mua]

What was the.

[Laura Lee]

What was the.

[Cameron Marlo]

What was ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Neon light. Where are you putting that in your baby's room?

[Nick]

No, but she wants to do it so she can, like, be like, I.

[Laura Lee]

Won the most prizes at Dave and Buster's. Like, could you imagine taking that tour of the house?

[Nick]

The level of insufferability?

[George Burge]

I kind of.

[Nick]

From that person.

[Manny Mua]

I kind of love her.

[Nick]

She's a monster.

[George Burge]

Exactly.

[Cameron Marlo]

What is she doing with these prizes? I need to know.

[George Burge]

It's like, I just watch. Watch her on tv.

[Nick]

Like, no, she wants to win this so she can feel better than you.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, you didn't get a neon sign.

[Laura Lee]

You got a stuffed Animal better look next time.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, you got a rope bracelet.

[Nick]

You have.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's like, if.

[Manny Mua]

If Sheena is.

[Cameron Marlo]

Is, like, at best chaotic good, we.

[Laura Lee]

Can say they are the yin and yang.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[George Burge]

Janet is chaotic evil. She's friends with Sheena.

[Nick]

That was her.

[Laura Lee]

That's what they're.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. Did you see that?

[George Burge]

Kristen was saying that Janet was introduced to her as a fan, and that's why we have in the teaser, her being like, you're just a fan, which is crazy.

[Cameron Marlo]

Which is, like, Makes sense. She does call her crazy Krist in and, like, you wouldn't call a woman who, like, is how many years removed from Vanderpump is, like, in a stable relationship trying to get pregnant, trying to have a family, like, seemingly very much different from that version of her life, and then try to, like, call back and be like, oh, you're such crazy Kristen. It's like, Kristen's right to be like, okay, you're a fan. Like, you're proving my point.

[Laura Lee]

Now there is an episode of Vanderpump Rules, and I did feel bad for her at the time, but Sheena invites all the girls over to, like, get their dresses, their uniforms for Sir Hemmed, and Janet's doing the hemming, but it's like they give Janet all of the dresses, and then all the girls go sit on the couch in Kiki, and then she's just over there seamstressing.

[George Burge]

Oh, my God. So she's getting her revenge. Like, this is Janet's revenge.

[Nick]

The thing about the Vanderpump cast, because it originates obviously, the Valley is essentially a spin off of Vanderpump in a weird way. But, like, there are some people in the Vanderpump cast who have made friends with fans, and they surround themselves with these fans and become friends with the fans. But there's clearly a level of, like, these are my friends, but my friends are. You know, it's like an entourage. It's like, they.

[Laura Lee]

My posse.

[Nick]

Yeah, they. It's not their equals. It is their fan friends. And then, like, over time, and then there's this, like, weird dynamic, and it seems. That's seems to be Janet.

[Laura Lee]

Well, now would be what would be scary for me, being on a show for that long and whatnot and making new friends is because I'm like, was that your goal the whole time? Or is it, like, could you come? Like, almost Stockholm syndrome, where it's just like, well, we've been friends for so long now. I'm happy that you have a show. But, like, could that have not been the goal the whole time.

[Cameron Marlo]

And, like, the fact that Janet is on the Valley and Sheena is not. And now it's like, Sheena's off Vanderpump and not on the Valley. It's like, oh, bring Aunt Sheena.

[George Burge]

They can fight.

[Cameron Marlo]

I think they're all still, like, cool. Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

Okay, stop.

[Cameron Marlo]

Literally each other. We need a fight.

[Nick]

No, it's like, have you guys seen Dark Knight? Batman? Yeah. When the. The Joker, he brings in the two guys and he breaks the pool stick and he says, all right, one. There's one job available. Whoever kills the other person wins the job.

[George Burge]

And, Andy, please televise it. Do you remember Janet used to be, like, the fan favorite last season?

[Nick]

Was she never. She was.

[George Burge]

Until the finale released.

[Nick]

She had the preg. That's not a fan favorite.

[Laura Lee]

She was never a fan favorite.

[Nick]

It was like, she's pregnant and we can't deny her.

[Cameron Marlo]

Who loved her.

[George Burge]

No, but a lot of people love Janet. No, you can't deny that the Internet loved her until, like, the finale.

[Manny Mua]

I don't know what.

[Nick]

I am unaware of that reality.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

My algorithm was pretty much, why is she on the show?

[Cameron Marlo]

As a pregnant. As a pregnant woman watching Janet on the Valley, I hated her even more.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[George Burge]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Why?

[Laura Lee]

She would start shit and then be like, I'm pregnant.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah. Pregnant people don't get these passes. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Laura Lee]

Like, I. I'm.

[Manny Mua]

I can't just go be a raging.

[Cameron Marlo]

Bitch and get a pass.

[George Burge]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Then you can't say any. Stress me out. I'm pregnant.

[Manny Mua]

Keep shot, baby.

[George Burge]

How to fight your.

[Nick]

Would you imagine, like, no, I can.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

I would honestly wish I would have used that more.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

You're a stupid bitch. But you can't say shit back to me because you can't stress me.

[Cameron Marlo]

I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. Maybe that's why it bothered me, because I was like, I should be using this as an excuse. More like, what am I doing?

[Nick]

Well, then people would hate you. Yeah, because it's like, you know, obviously we. We know that, like, we have to be kind to the. The pregnant people out there. And it's kind of like. But we're talking shit behind your back.

[Manny Mua]

But you're talking sh.

[Laura Lee]

On her back. And then you're saying, it's not fair game. Like, it's like you're attacking my character.

[Manny Mua]

Everything.

[Laura Lee]

I'm not talking about your baby. And then she even made up a whole thing about, like, Kristen wanting her not to come to full term and everything. It's like you're evil for that.

[Cameron Marlo]

No, that was evil. That was truly pure evil.

[Laura Lee]

Team Kristen all the way.

[George Burge]

Do you guys think that Luke looks like.

[Nick]

Yes.

[George Burge]

Self portrait.

[Nick]

It was funny, you know, as someone who's met Luke in person after I've seen him on tv, he's a handsome man. Yeah, he's a tall, good looking guy.

[Laura Lee]

He's, he's, he looks good on Watch what happens live too.

[Cameron Marlo]

He looks, he looks like. I don't, I don't know if this is common, but like he's better looking in person than he is on tv.

[Nick]

He is. I haven't met Jesse in person, but short Danny or also.

[Cameron Marlo]

Wait a second. Why didn't we just like glaze over? Danny grabbing. No, that's Melissa's ass. And like saying, get daddy. We just like glazed over that. Like, where was mia? Where was the fight? Where was this?

[Laura Lee]

Like, we're upset that he repeated something from a group chat when he's over here putting his hand on someone's thigh calling himself daddy and then they just show like a quick like, like flashback of being confronted.

[Nick]

Like, we've, we've all mad at Danny. Yeah. You know, it's just that, and honestly, Jesse was right that, that, that guy who's like, doesn't have, you know, he's, he's seemingly the quiet family man. But when he drinks, he gets that, you know, gets real close, you know, puts you like in a headlock because he wants to like close talk with you and just like get up, get real kind of aggressive. But like you can tell this person's just up and they're just not there and they're just become the most obnoxious drunk in the world. Like, I, I've met that guy several times and I kind of hate him. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a. And then he was like, that's not my, that's out of my character. But the thing is though, it's like, is it though, like, how many times do you get to do something before?

[Laura Lee]

It's like it's a part of four.

[Cameron Marlo]

Children and like you're still getting drunk and grabbing someone's ass who's like, not your wife.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

And it was also weird how like Jesse was kind of trying to explain it being like, you know, but he doesn't get after work drinks and he doesn't get to go to happy hour because he's got kids and it's like, so he just smashes drinks to the face the one night that he does and gets himself in inappropriate trouble.

[Cameron Marlo]

No, that was crazy. I would have loved to have overheard Nia rip him a new one, because.

[Manny Mua]

I know she did, right?

[Nick]

That's very embarrassing for her.

[Laura Lee]

But I feel like there's also stuff coming because I saw her, like, getting upset, leaving, like. Like, storming out of a table and whatnot. And, like, I wonder if it is involving Danny's behavior.

[Cameron Marlo]

We saw the first season where he would get drunk and she would kind of be like, it's time for us to go. Yeah, for us to go. We're leaving. Like, she was, like, very protective. It's like, she knows how he gets when he's drunk. And she's like, you're not about to do this on tv. Like, we're getting the out of here. We're going home.

[Nick]

And is he really just. If is Jesse right where he, like, has a drink and then sneaks off and takes a couple shots, it's like, is that really going on?

[Manny Mua]

That's it.

[Laura Lee]

It's hard to know because I also don't trust anything that comes out of Jesse's mouth where I'm. You're not the one to be talking about people's behaviors, are you?

[Nick]

Literally, it was. It was shocking. But I do think Luke is the best looking guy in this group, honestly.

[Laura Lee]

And he's, like, the healthiest. And I love that he's just honest.

[Nick]

And he's just like, bro, forget about his mature. I'm just straight vanity.

[Laura Lee]

Yes.

[Nick]

He's the hottest guy, and I think he deserves that credit.

[Cameron Marlo]

And honestly, good for Kristen. She deserves the hottest guy.

[Laura Lee]

Kristen's in the healthiest relationship, has the hottest man on the show.

[Nick]

Like, which also. Which also really pisses off Janet because, like, when she was trying to, like, gas up, up Jason, I'm just so lucky to have you. And, you know, it's like, what did. What did he do?

[Cameron Marlo]

Even Jason was like, I drove 30 minutes, dropped him off. She's like, no, but like, you. What you do for your friends is so special. And he's like, yeah, all right, well, I gotta go. So he was, like, uncomfortable with it. He was like, all right, you're being weird.

[Nick]

And again, when it comes to Jax, I just don't know why anyone deserves a pat on the back for anything they're doing for or with Jax. Because at just at this stage in the game, if you really are a friend to this guy, like, why isn't anyone just being like, aren't you tired of being a loser? You know, just like, at what point do you just say, like, aren't you tired of being this person?

[Laura Lee]

It just feels, though, like. Like he doesn't take that in. Like, he's incapable of taking criticism about himself at all or making changes. Because it's like, people keep saying, like, you got violent. You did things that you should be ashamed of. And he's like, yeah, but she's fucking someone. And it's like, bro, that's not what the conversation is about.

[Nick]

Yeah, sometime you. You have to. That's the thing.

[Natalie]

Like.

[Nick]

And that's where I do criticize Britney, though. I don't. I think, like, Jesse and Michelle, like, someone has to be the bigger person.

[Laura Lee]

I feel like Britney has been for the longest time. I'm like, she's protected him. She hasn't said shit on camera when she could have. And this is the first season where she's like.

[Nick]

She said she has set up plenty in the past year.

[Laura Lee]

What do you mean?

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, comments. Online interviews is far, like, far worse.

[Laura Lee]

Than Britney could ever be.

[Manny Mua]

No, no.

[Nick]

They can both be toxic. They both can be the problem. Like, Michelle and Jesse, they're both the problem. Jax is clearly a problem and the problem. But, yeah, when you go on national television and start trolling your husband about, like, his poor performance in bed that he didn't watch what happens live, it's like, it's a choice.

[Cameron Marlo]

Andy asked a question.

[Manny Mua]

Sure.

[Cameron Marlo]

She complimented him in the beginning, and she said when he's at his best, he's 8 or 9, which that's pretty damn good.

[Nick]

What are the chances that.

[Cameron Marlo]

And he's also a coke addict, so I'm sure when he is on coke, he probably is a fucking one and two.

[Nick]

But, like, her saying that, do you think that's gonna bring peace into her life and make her life easier or harder?

[George Burge]

Easier?

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, honestly, Literally. And now we've been protecting this man for so long, it probably feels so good for her to just be like, I don't give a. Yeah, he sucks in bed and he has a little dick. It probably feels really good.

[Nick]

I'm sure it does. This. Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

For temporarily, I think Jax would get mad at her for anything she says. And so I don't think she. If she said, look, he's an 8 or 9 when he's good, he would have been like, what the. I'm not a 10. Like, he would have been pissed at that. You know, like, there's nothing Britney can do will make Jax happy and make Jax be nice to her. So, like, why not just tell the truth?

[Manny Mua]

Live for yourself.

[Nick]

I'm. I agree with That, I mean, listen, I'm just saying, like, eventually you go on TV and you act this way.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, how is she acting?

[Nick]

Everyone on this. I'm just saying, I. It is hard for me to have empathy for anyone on this show about, about protecting their peace.

[George Burge]

Sometimes talking your is peaceful.

[Laura Lee]

Is protecting your peace.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's also healthy for you. You need to be able to like, let out these emotions or it's going to affect your health.

[Laura Lee]

And she's called therapy and she made it clear they're never getting back together. So at this point she does not give a fuck. And I support it. Jax is a monster.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, again, I'm team Britney in the like, who do we like more? I'm just talking about like outside of the, you know, this is not like teams. This is more like she is, I don't know, I don't think she is doing things that are making life easier on her or her family.

[Cameron Marlo]

I don't know what her life is. Yeah, I don't. So I don't think you can sit there and be like, oh, this is making her life harder when it might not be.

[Nick]

Might not. Yeah. But yeah, pretty sure it is.

[Cameron Marlo]

I do have a question though. In the episode, Michelle says that what Jesse's doing is worse than Jax and she doesn't understand why her friends don't have her back and everybody has Britney's back. What do we think about that? Like, who's worse, Jesse or Jax?

[George Burge]

I mean, why pit two queens against each other?

[Cameron Marlo]

Michelle brought it up, not me.

[Nick]

Toxicity, I'm sure. I bet in Michelle's world, yeah, probably in this moment in time when she says it, Jax is in therapy seemingly, and she and Jesse's out there like, calling her an escort.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I think I empathize with Michelle in that regard because, like, Jax is so needy, not only with Britney, but like with his friends, that he does in a weird way, victimize himself constantly. And now he's like, in a weird way getting some kind of sympathy. Even though, like, he is Jax, Taylor and kind of like an emotional terrorist. And like Jesse is just like in his kind of coming out party is an emotional terrorist.

[Laura Lee]

So hold my beer. That's how I feel like I'm watching things. I'm just like, I think Jesse's more diabolical. I think it's like that, that was calculated, putting, dropping little rumors and putting things out there in hopes that it's spread. But it's like, I'm not the problem because I said that in a safe space and that was supposed to be said and confident, like, Jax is just like a bull in a china shop. It's just like the chaos is happening, but you can kind of see where it's coming from, why it was caused, why he's doing what he's doing, where like Jesse, it's just like, like pretending that he's a good guy even though he is the villain.

[Nick]

Also with, like, yeah, also with Jax, he probably does have some mental health problems.

[Laura Lee]

100%. He's like diagnosed bipolar, I believe.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So, I mean, I don't know what to believe when it comes to Jax. But like, his behavior suggests someone who is like, well, on the phone call with his sister, emotionally unpredictable.

[Laura Lee]

His sister was like, you know, we have this history in our, in our family and you have a past of getting manic. So I'm like, he obviously is aware that, like, there are things that trigger him, that he may not be fully in control of himself while he's acting out.

[Nick]

And then you have Brittany, whose son has recently diagnosed his autism, which obviously can be very challenging for parents. And like, there's just extra work. Meanwhile, she has a husband who's in, in rehab and like, she literally is all on her own. And while Jesse might be an emotional terrorist, like, Michelle is making her life also harder by like playing these games.

[Laura Lee]

Just don't go to Santa Barbara. Plan your own trip. That's what I would do. Or plan the trip same weekend. If you want to be Patty, take a page out of Jack Taylor's book. Make a party the same day as their weekend. But like, being like, he has to stay at a hotel but he can be a part of all of the activities. Like, that's crazy. It's his trip.

[Nick]

It's a great show.

[Laura Lee]

It's a great show.

[Nick]

Until next week, I guess. And apparently they are filming the reunion this Friday, which I think is probably earlier than they usually do. But because Kristen and Nia are like about to have their babies, they're recording it this weekend, so maybe there'll be tea. I want it all from that.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

Well, Nia and Danny will have to drive in from Santa Clarita.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[George Burge]

They also didn't have a reunion. Lastly.

[Cameron Marlo]

Closed on their house.

[Nick]

They did.

[Laura Lee]

They closed on a 1.3 million dollar home in Santa Clarita.

[Nick]

And it's really cute because honestly, like when they shot and you know, when they show like where they live and the, it's like the apartment building and all these kids, it's like, wow, tight. Your neighbors Hate you, My neighbors or theirs?

[Laura Lee]

Theirs.

[Nick]

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[Nick]

Well, welcome, guys. How are you?

[Natalie]

Good.

[Nick]

Welcome back.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Nick]

And welcome to the show. Laura.

[Manny Mua]

Thank you for having me.

[Nick]

It's good to be with you guys. I heard that you guys, you were at Stagecoach or Coachella.

[George Burge]

It was Coachella.

[Nick]

It was a Coachella. And you guys were on the same plane as some of the Love island people.

[Natalie]

Yes, we were.

[Nick]

Who are you on a plane with?

[Natalie]

Okay. We had Taylor, Liv.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, Janae, and then all their men. And Kenny. And then Kenny was there. Kenny was there.

[Nick]

They're still very much in love.

[Manny Mua]

They're very, very.

[Natalie]

It's honestly so, like, I love seeing them together.

[Manny Mua]

When the plane took off, they were holding hands and all that.

[Natalie]

I was joking, too. No, I was. They were like this because I guess he's like a scared fighter. And they're like, this one of. I was literally like, Laura. I was like, laura, give your head.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Who was scared?

[Manny Mua]

I don't know. I feel like it was Janae.

[Natalie]

No, it was Kenny.

[Manny Mua]

It was Kenny.

[Natalie]

I was like, this.

[Manny Mua]

Remind me. Remind me of who else was there? What's his name? I was like, I really liked Kendall's energy. I feel like I got why so many people were, like, obsessed with him on the show, because he's a fun.

[Nick]

Like, just, you know, positive energy. Just kind of like, hey, you know, keeps the spirits high, you know, always there for a good time. Kind of very golden retriever.

[Manny Mua]

He was a golden retriever. And I Totally got that. And then it's cool because like we. When they were Sally Hansen and some of them were Sally Hansen. So we kind of did Coachella with them because we did our activations with them too.

[Cameron Marlo]

So there's a little like, apparently Kayla has unfollowed Liv on Instagram.

[Manny Mua]

Oh.

[Nick]

For a moment.

[Cameron Marlo]

And then everyone was like, oh my God, Kayla and follow. So then she refollowed her.

[Natalie]

Do you think that it was like a glitch?

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, like the glitch around the Haley.

[Natalie]

Like the Haley unfollowing Justin. That was a glitch. So it's like.

[Nick]

I don't think it's a glitch. I think you can maybe accidentally ask.

[Cameron Marlo]

That was me this morning.

[Nick]

I was like, honestly, I text Kayla like, I don't know, a couple weeks ago. I was just like, hey, you know, if you're in town, you should come back on the show. You know? Didn't hear from her.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Text you back.

[Natalie]

No, I. I never.

[Nick]

I never messaged her.

[Natalie]

I was just kidding. I was going to do it now. Now that you told me that. I'm like, well, girl.

[Nick]

But what was the energy between Liv and Kayla?

[Manny Mua]

Really good. They were like sisters on the plane. They were film like tik toks together.

[Nick]

So this is maybe for the drama. I think they're leaning.

[Cameron Marlo]

They're professionals.

[Natalie]

They know what they're doing.

[Cameron Marlo]

They do.

[Nick]

They've also been teasing a potential like Kendall Live.

[Cameron Marlo]

No, Kendall Kaylor Kendall.

[Nick]

No, I thought it was Liv.

[Manny Mua]

Kendall K. Their relationship. They've been teasing, which is so just teasing.

[Natalie]

I. I feel like it's teasing. I think siblings thinking like, let's just play into it.

[Nick]

It's 100 for the show.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, 100%.

[Nick]

Because was there any like zero, zero? I'm not kidding.

[Natalie]

It literally looks like they're siblings.

[Nick]

You thought they were siblings?

[Natalie]

Yeah, it looks like that.

[Manny Mua]

It's like our relationship.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Literally. It was kind of like. Like that's what it seems like. But it's funny cuz the guys are so like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're so party boy and it's so cute. Cuz it's like they, you know, just came into all this so recently.

[Manny Mua]

I know. They were like. They were telling us it was their first Coachella and I was like, this is my eighth Coachella and I should not be here right now.

[Cameron Marlo]

I should.

[Nick]

How that make you feel about?

[Manny Mua]

Very sad. Very, very sad. I always say I'm losing years off the end of my life by going to Coachella every single short I'm definitely cutting it short.

[Nick]

The Valley, by chance.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, I was in Italy. That's nice. I'm interested in the show, though. Like, it looks good.

[Nick]

If you guys like tv, then. I mean, if you say you like tv, then I would assume you'd be watching the Valley.

[Natalie]

Okay, so what's it about?

[Cameron Marlo]

Did you ever watch Vanderpump?

[Manny Mua]

Yes.

[Cameron Marlo]

Okay, so. So it's obviously. We have Kristen, we have Jax, we have Brittany Love.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, she's at a dinner with I.

[Natalie]

Did she. She does she. She's one that actually fills me in.

[Nick]

On Britney from the Valley.

[Manny Mua]

And it was cool, you know, it was Rachel from the Bachelor co.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Manny Mua]

She did, like, a collab with the clothing brand and. Oh, I was you. I could have saw you there. Anyways, a lot of little reality TV girly pops.

[Nick]

What was going. What was the tea on the conversation?

[Manny Mua]

I didn't really talk much to Britney, but she was sitting at my table and I love her from Vanderpump. I really like her. I think she's a Southern girl. I'm from Alabama, you know, I love Britney, but she was, like, really upset at the table. And I have no idea what was going on. I mean, I'm not going to lie.

[Natalie]

You don't know her at all.

[Manny Mua]

So I was like, I'm not going to. I have no idea what was going on, but I didn't want to be like, hey, by the way, I'm Laura. What the.

[Cameron Marlo]

You know, yesterday, me and my mom went to lunch with my daughter river, and we were sitting outside at Great White, and there was this mom and daughter. She had to be, like, early 20s, probably, sitting with her mom. She's sitting beside us. She gets a phone call. She hangs up the phone call, and she's like, yes, yes.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, freaking out. Her and her mom are, like, freaking out. My daughter is staring at her, and I'm like, I need to just, like, ask her what is going on? Because this is the craziest reaction I've ever seen to anything. And so I had to ask her. I'm like, hi, what was your phone call about?

[Natalie]

A true. Like, true nose.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, who is that on the phone? I'm really curious.

[Natalie]

What was that?

[Cameron Marlo]

And she straight up was like, oh, really? Yeah. She wouldn't tell me. She wouldn't tell me. But she had the craziest reaction. Like, everyone was staring at her as she's freaking the fuck out, getting off this phone.

[Nick]

Like, you were expecting her to be like, I closed a. I was expecting.

[Cameron Marlo]

Her to be like, I am. I'm literally on the new White Lotus.

[Manny Mua]

Like, that's what I would have thought. That's what I would have thought.

[Cameron Marlo]

She went to me and I'm like.

[Nick]

Well, maybe she is on the news. She definitely.

[Natalie]

She's, like, catching something, maybe.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, my God. You see her. Imagine.

[Nick]

Did she look famous?

[Cameron Marlo]

Maybe.

[Nick]

She could have been somebody.

[Cameron Marlo]

Could have been.

[Natalie]

But, like, LA is, like, filled with people that look like they're someone for sure.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's hard to really tell.

[Natalie]

Like, you don't know, truly.

[Cameron Marlo]

You could be sitting next to, like, anyone. Anyone.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And you can tell someone's from LA when you're, like, out in different parts of the country because it's like, oh, they look like their family. Like, there's such a vibe to them. Yeah, we just talked about this.

[Nick]

What's that vibe? Are they at a fancy place wearing sweatpants that, like, clearly at the airport.

[Natalie]

Like, you can just see them and they're, like, wearing trendy stuff. They're wearing, like, things that are, like, currently. Like, they have, like, a sweatsuit on, but then they have, like, a specific kind of bag and they have, like, their little Stanley and then they have, like, glasses and they're super accessories everywhere. It's like, oh, you're.

[Cameron Marlo]

They're wearing, like, the bracelet, ring, Ch. You know, the whole thing.

[Manny Mua]

I've linked that a few times. I've hit that with the Amazon affiliate a few times.

[Nick]

Why do you think that Hailey Bieber thing was a glitch?

[Natalie]

She just said it.

[Nick]

She said it was a glitch. Yeah.

[Natalie]

And I trust.

[Manny Mua]

Her. I'm in this shit deep. So I went into an investigation mode. And so Justin Bieber was kind of like, posting, like, cryptid stuff, a bunch of stuff. And then he had posted one post, and she was in a lot of the albums, and she commented on the post, like, hard eyes and, like, supporting the post and liked it two hours after she unfollowed him after. So that just didn't make sense to me.

[Nick]

Oh, I definitely don't think she, like, unfollowed to get attention. I. I would believe it was an accident.

[Manny Mua]

Do you think that one was a glitch?

[Nick]

I think glitch means accident.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

What?

[Natalie]

Yeah, see, I think it's like an accident. Like, it was just like, oh, like, it bugged out.

[Manny Mua]

How do you accidentally.

[Nick]

I've accidentally followed people only to immediately unfollow them, and I've accidentally unfollowed friends. Like, I. I think I have. I'm pretty sure I have.

[Manny Mua]

Okay, okay.

[Cameron Marlo]

So he is like, Haley.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't think it's totally impossible. Yeah, I've. I've noticed people follow me only to immediately unfollow me, you know?

[Manny Mua]

How do you know? Oh, notifications on. Does it tell you? I've never had Instagram notifications on me either.

[Nick]

I used to in the past, like, you know, back in my Bachelor Nation days where, you know, like, it was very much like high school. And, you know, it's like, is Nick the villain? Is it not Nick, not the villain? Can I be friends with them? Can I not be friends with them? Or, like, women who had been on my season or people whose seasons I had been on or things like that?

[Natalie]

Like, yeah, you know, I know what's happening.

[Nick]

I. I had noticed that some people had followed me. I was like, oh, I'm going. Decided to follow me. And then I was like, not following me anymore. Huh? Like, I. You know, so, like, they clearly, like.

[Manny Mua]

Does it notify you when they unfollow you? How do you know?

[Nick]

I think you can get an app. I didn't have that. But, like, in the story I'm telling, I noticed they followed. I got the notification that they followed me.

[Cameron Marlo]

You went to their page and I was like, said, oh, not follow.

[Nick]

Not, not following. Yeah, so. So that can happen. I do think accidents can definitely happen.

[Manny Mua]

I would like the app. So if someone knows the app, I'll download.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's probably, like, followers. Ig.

[Nick]

You know what I actually find to be believable? It's more like I believe that there's a chance. And I actually kind of feel a little uncomfy talking about this, because more than anything, I just think we need to leave Haley alone when it comes to Selena Gomez and, like, the level of, like, pettiness that her fans. Selena's fans, not Selena. I think Selena is completely, like, innocent and all this, like, whatever, drama. I don't think she has anything to do with it. I think her fans just are fanatics. Like, I believe that it would be possible for Haley just, like, on, you know, she's on Instagram, whatever. Like, Selena posts something. It comes up in her algorithm, she's on her page, and then she, like, accidentally double taps. And so as a distraction, then she then unfollows. And then out of fear, pure panic, knowing that Selena's fans are going to notice this and freak out, I. Then she decides to unfollow her husband to distract people because she.

[Cameron Marlo]

She's, like, publicly liked and supported Selena before.

[Nick]

Okay, well, yeah, I mean, but I'm just saying some version of like, something.

[Natalie]

Like that could happen.

[Nick]

She. She accidentally something else. So she's like, I'm just going to follow my husband because they'll notice that way bigger. And we're. And we're fine. So whatever. I'll have people, like, speculate.

[Cameron Marlo]

There's like a meme of the two of them together and it's Haley saying, I'm so hungry I could eat Selena Gomez.

[Natalie]

I love that. That's hilarious. I feel like that happen. That's why even when I was saying I was like, oh, maybe it was an accident with the unfollow. I was like, oh, well, she just said like that happened. So maybe it's a thing.

[Nick]

Definitely. I do think. I know accidents happen.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Online when people are searching and browsing. And if you're a public figure. Yeah.

[Natalie]

The worst is when you're like doom scrolling on someone and you're kind of stalking and then you actually like someone's thing and you're like deep.

[Cameron Marlo]

You jump off a bridge.

[Natalie]

I literally, like. I'm like, let me just. Literally, I block people from that. I'm not kidding. I'll block the whole page.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah. I never existed.

[Nick]

I once had my. I was working out, had my phone open and I was like, on an exercising bike on. On Instagram. And the sweat. My sweat. Sweat drip down hit my phone and it started, like, glitching and, like, started liking.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

The sweat drops like this.

[Nick]

And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Manny Mua]

You left a comment too.

[Nick]

Didn't like a comment.

[Cameron Marlo]

They're like, I'm obsessed with you with, like, red lips. Whoopsies.

[Manny Mua]

It was a sweat.

[Cameron Marlo]

No. My daughter will, like, take my phone and if it's not locked. She's on Instagram. She's liking. She's on. She's on Tik Tok.

[Manny Mua]

How old is she?

[Cameron Marlo]

15 months. And I'm like, go it.

[George Burge]

Put it down.

[Cameron Marlo]

You've got to put it down immediately. So if I ever accidentally like, like follow dm, anything is not me.

[Natalie]

It wasn't me. It was my child.

[Cameron Marlo]

It was not me.

[Nick]

It was my.

[Natalie]

I have no idea.

[Nick]

So accidents do happen.

[Manny Mua]

I'm using that one actually. That one's going in my chamber. It was sweat.

[Cameron Marlo]

Laura, you know what's crazy busy?

[Manny Mua]

Tell me.

[Cameron Marlo]

I was born in Montgomery.

[Nick]

No.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yes, I was.

[Manny Mua]

So. I mean, you're the only two people in LA county that were born in Montgomery, Alabama. Hold on. How? Why? Where?

[Cameron Marlo]

When Montgomery. I was like, raised in Auburn.

[Manny Mua]

My husband graduated from Auburn. We're a Roll Tide, though.

[Cameron Marlo]

All righty.

[Manny Mua]

All righty.

[Cameron Marlo]

That's here.

[Manny Mua]

We're. Yep. But they haven't. Auburn's a better engineering school than Alabama. Alabama.

[Nick]

So he was a traitor the whole time.

[Manny Mua]

Absolutely. And he wore his Alabama gear, like, the entire time. Like, we're huge Alabama fans. Like, we go to at least a couple games a year all the night.

[Nick]

He's like, I'm literally just here for school.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, literally. But a lot of Alabama kids go to Auburn because they have a huge engineering program. And I remember I was walking down the street because I would always go up there. I dropped out of college. Okay. But I was walking down the street, and these. You know, Auburn's big rival is Georgia. So these guys in a Georgia truck, Georgia flag, scream @ me, you know, go, Bulldog. And I literally screamed at them so loud, I was like, roll Tide. And they were literally like. They were on Auburn's campus. They were like, what the are you doing here? I was like, I don't know either.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, we both don't belong.

[Manny Mua]

That's so crazy. Why don't you have a country accent? Your parents weren't Southern?

[Cameron Marlo]

No, my parents are very Southern. Very Southern. Very Southern.

[Manny Mua]

I.

[Cameron Marlo]

So I dropped out of high school, and I moved to New York at 15 to, like, be a model. And then my agency at the time was like, you also need to act, but to act. And I was real redneck. Like, I was very.

[Manny Mua]

That's why I was very country.

[Cameron Marlo]

They were like, you have. Take dialect classes. Like, you have to lose this. So now it comes out if I'm back home, if we're, like, interviewing a country singer and I'm around people with that accent, it drums out when she.

[Nick]

Talks to her sisters.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

When comes back from Alabama.

[Manny Mua]

I know immediately I still have a Southern accent, but whenever I moved here, it was crazy. And I went to media training, and they basically said, you're going to have to kick some of it. They were like, because people don't respect it. And they relate a super Southern accent with stupid.

[Cameron Marlo]

Not.

[Manny Mua]

Yes, stupid. I was going to try to make it. They're like general media. Like, people that aren't from the south when they hear that deep Southern accent they related with stupid. So they were like, we highly suggest you, like, kick as much of it as you can.

[Nick]

Can you guys get. Do, like, a little scene for. For us in the most Southern accent?

[Manny Mua]

What can we say?

[Cameron Marlo]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Cameron Marlo]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

As someone who's bad with accents, I will say, like, a Southern accent's the easiest to, like, pick up until you.

[Manny Mua]

Watch an actor try to act one out on the screen and you're from the South. It kills you. Like it. It's like a knife.

[Cameron Marlo]

Did you ever watch Landman?

[Manny Mua]

Yes. Horrible. Some of the worst acting, by the way. All of them have a bad Billy Bob. I'm gonna give it to Billy Bob. Thor.

[Nick]

Great. Everyone else.

[Manny Mua]

Everyone else. All right. Also, do you guys watch Gemstones? Righteous Gemstones.

[Nick]

I. I've seen the first season.

[Manny Mua]

So good. Dan McBride. So they. They do a good job. They do a good job.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like White Lotus. They crush Parker Posey. Babes crush the Southern accent. But it is. It's. It's. It's hard to.

[Manny Mua]

It is.

[Cameron Marlo]

And you can call it out real quick. You'll be like, that's.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, yeah, it's bad.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's not good. But yeah. Nick, at our welcome party, he's from Wisconsin. And at our welcome party, at our. Our wedding, it was like, country chic theme because it was at my family's farm in Georgia, and he was like, this my daddy, y'all. Like, he went real like that.

[Nick]

But I said, this is my daddy.

[Manny Mua]

You tried it then he tried it out.

[Nick]

I tried it out.

[Manny Mua]

And how did it do for you? You liked it?

[Nick]

It was fine.

[Manny Mua]

It was fun.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, I'm not. I don't have. I don't. I'm not saying, oh, it's an easy accent to do. It's just, like, an easy accent to try out for sure. You know, Like, I wouldn't ever go to New York and, like, be like. Like, I'm a New Yorker, you know, Like, I want to go to Boston and start.

[Manny Mua]

You know, I feel like the Southern accent will attach to you, too, when you're in the environment.

[Nick]

But yeah, like, anyone, like, y'all. What y'all doing?

[Manny Mua]

That's right.

[Natalie]

And it's so fun. The accent is so fun to me. Like, it's so, like, party, like, fun. It is, like, to me, it's like. It's a fun accent.

[Nick]

Do Mormons have accents at all, Manny?

[Natalie]

They don't.

[Nick]

Are you. Are you a foreign former Mormon, or are you currently a Mormon?

[Natalie]

I mean, I never, like, was excommunicated, so I guess technically I'm still, like, Mormon. I just, like, I'm still Mormon. No, I just don't. I just don't practice anymore.

[Nick]

That's what's kind of funny about Mormons, where. Because, like, there's a Literal, like, you're out.

[Cameron Marlo]

I know.

[Manny Mua]

Isn't that, like, crazy?

[Nick]

I'm Catholic like you. It's just like. I mean, I guess I'm still Catholic.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I haven't gone in a bit. Yeah, but like, Catholics don't get kicked out.

[Manny Mua]

That's like the other thing, right? I'm the same. I was like raised Baptist, Southern Baptist vibes. You can. Could murder three people. As long.

[Nick]

As long as you're sorry, as long.

[Cameron Marlo]

As you pray for forgiveness, you're good.

[Natalie]

The Mormons are like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Manny Mua]

If you cheat on your husband or something, you can get the boot, man. Dude, like, they'll get you out of there.

[Natalie]

I think there's a lot of things, like, even, like, being gay, you can get exc. All that.

[Manny Mua]

I. I feel like I would have gotten kicked out. They would have got me.

[Natalie]

You're seven years old.

[Nick]

Did you watch season one of Mormon one Wives?

[George Burge]

I.

[Manny Mua]

Yes.

[Nick]

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? I. I like to shorten it, but then it confuses people with Salt Lake City.

[Natalie]

No, I. I loved it. Like, I loved it so much. It's so interesting to me. Who's my favorite?

[Manny Mua]

Jesse. I love for sure, Taylor carries a lot. I mean, it's. It.

[Natalie]

I mean, it's like, it feels like.

[Cameron Marlo]

It'S like on her back.

[Natalie]

Really. It is.

[Cameron Marlo]

It is.

[Natalie]

Like, I feel like she has like, the world on her shoulder. Three, like, come on, Taylor. But I feel like a lot of the cast, like, I really like a lot of all the girls. Really? Other than like, Whitney.

[George Burge]

Really?

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I'm not like a huge, huge Stan. I'm kind of obsessed, but based off of the show because I feel like it's like they painted it away where you don't really like her.

[Manny Mua]

I asked the girls, cuz we went to a gallentimes and they were all there. Whitney wasn't there, but we were. They. A lot of them were there. So we were like chatting them up about the show. Like, give us behind the scenes, tell us the realty, like, what's really going on the show. I was like, I have a question about Whitney. And I was like, like, did she go on the show and y'all all plan and plot for her to be the villain, or is she really not understand that, like, what she does and how she comes across is villainesque? And they're like, no, no, she doesn't understand. She fully does not understand. And, like, fully.

[Cameron Marlo]

That's what I love about, like, she finished filming and was like, oh, my God, I'M she's like this. She's going to sweat on the.

[Nick]

She's so kind of confident in whatever.

[Manny Mua]

It is she's doing.

[Nick]

And her dance video videos.

[Natalie]

She commits the video with the child.

[Manny Mua]

In the hospital bag.

[Nick]

It's my favorite thing. You're like, can we play it? Can we play it again?

[Cameron Marlo]

She needs. She's trying to move on. And Nick's like, no, no, we can't.

[Nick]

It makes me feel good. It makes me feel good.

[Natalie]

You guys, this video, it really does haunt me.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, kiss the baby. She just locks in, eats it up. Hey.

[Natalie]

And she's, like, actually doing the count quite well.

[Manny Mua]

The way the baby's looking at the camera.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like it's the media.

[Natalie]

Never straight into the camera's eye on the baby's head.

[Nick]

No, it's just that it's a. The transition is so good.

[Natalie]

It's so volatile. It's like such an intense.

[Manny Mua]

My favorite part is on the show, they have to talk about it. So they bring it up. And in the interview, she's like, I did a dance with my new, like, explaining it. It's crazy. Like, taking accountability for it.

[Cameron Marlo]

So we woke up Tuesday and he couldn't breathe. So we took him to the hospital, and I was bored for a second.

[Natalie]

Yes. Yeah. And I just want to bring awareness to this cause.

[Nick]

But in her defense, the delusion is real. She is who she is.

[Cameron Marlo]

Are you excited for season 2?

[Manny Mua]

Have you seen this? I'm like, I am very excited.

[Natalie]

I feel like it's. I feel like it's different, too, because we know some of the girls now, and, like, we, like, I've chatted with them. We're mutuals with some of the girls, and so I feel like it makes it a little bit more, like, fun to me. And I feel like I relate in, like, a weird way because I grew up Mormon. So there's just like. Like, this, like, funny aspect of that, too, where I'm like, seeing these things. It's just so interesting that it's like, on a show.

[Cameron Marlo]

Is your family still Mormon? Yeah, they're more like.

[Manny Mua]

Like, they're more like. Go to church.

[Natalie]

They are in it.

[Manny Mua]

Like, church.

[Natalie]

My brother's church. Like, everyone, like, they're, like, in it. But the thing is, they still love you. Funny. They love me, like, dearly. Like, I swear, dearly. But that's why I'm like. I was gonna say that. That's so funny because growing up, it was, like, a very tough situation, and now they're almost. Almost like my biggest advocates and Even in church. Like, my mom's the type that will, like, if someone will say something like, let's say homophobe, she's like, don't even try it. Like, she's the type that will, like, stand up for the community. Same with my brother. And it's like, it's like your family's.

[Manny Mua]

Like, holy for sure. But they're so for real. Like, you can be like this and your mom will be like, give it. They practice. But like, there's this line with it where they're. They're not both them. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Yes. It's the difference between, like a San Diego Mormon.

[Manny Mua]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

And like a Utah Mormon. I think there's a humongous difference where.

[Nick]

It'S like, what about a Las Vegas Mormon?

[Natalie]

Oh, maybe. You know, it's a wreck. You know, it's a wreck.

[Manny Mua]

It is.

[Natalie]

You know, all those Mormons are literally.

[Manny Mua]

There are no Mormons in Alabama.

[Cameron Marlo]

No.

[Manny Mua]

I told him I never even heard of it. I was like, there's a lot of Jehovah Witness.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, Jehovah Witness.

[Manny Mua]

A lot of Jehovah's Witness is like a big religion there. And like Baptist, Methodist, of course, but no more. So when I moved to California, I. I learned about Mormon. I didn't even know because we didn't have all these TV shows, you know.

[Cameron Marlo]

No.

[Natalie]

And it's like. But it's also like the fastest growing religion, like, the world.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. That's why I was like, how did I even know about.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's like, do you think it's because.

[Nick]

Of, like, they have sales people going door to door selling it?

[Natalie]

I mean. Yeah. They have missionaries that are like, you know, preaching the gospel.

[Nick]

They're the only religion with the sales team.

[Cameron Marlo]

Well, Witnesses are witnesses. They'll knock off. Can I speak? The good luck.

[Manny Mua]

The good luck in the South, Jehovah Witness would come to your door. Not Mormons. That's my. Yes.

[Natalie]

I didn't know they had that. I didn't know they had missionaries.

[Manny Mua]

Same. Same outfits. Like the whole thing. Yes.

[Nick]

Did he. Did he let you have Christmas?

[Cameron Marlo]

He never had Christmas growing up.

[Manny Mua]

So that's.

[Cameron Marlo]

So it's like I would like over compensate cuz I'm like, oh, my God. You don't know who Santa Claus is. I will be your Santa Claus. Crazy. Are you following the PK and Dorit.

[Manny Mua]

Divorce since you're like here and there? Yes.

[Nick]

Why were you on. On in the background?

[Natalie]

Oh, Tell me Housewife episode?

[Manny Mua]

You know, I feel like I manifested that because, like, I'm Such a big Housewives fans. And then, like, one night I was like, let me just go to Taisho right up the road here and go eat dinner. And they were like, they're filming Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. They're like, do you want to, like, you there? You'll just. You have to sign a waiver to eat here tonight. And I was like, great. I don't care. The way they put me directly behind Garcelle, like, literally right there. So I'm just in the whole scene entirely. And I have been tagged for a year now.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, how much were you not paying attention to who was with you and, like, fully listening to their conversation?

[Manny Mua]

I. The whole dinner was just me, like, in a recording studio.

[Natalie]

Because they back like this.

[Manny Mua]

It was literally a production like this, by the way, in that restaurant.

[Nick]

And let me ask, did it feel. How authentic did that conversation feel?

[Manny Mua]

None. Zero. It. It was like a studio like this. Like, I'm talking about, like, 10 lights, eight cameras, 50 producers, and me and my husband.

[Nick]

But the. But the conversation, its. Was there a lot of stopping and starting and producing, or was it. It was just people. It was flow.

[Manny Mua]

It was one shot. I was there for their setup.

[Nick]

That would be more. That's more authentic.

[Manny Mua]

It is, but it was probably like, hey, we got to get these. Like, you know, you need to talk to your. Because she was there with her son. So we got to get these talking points in, and then you guys have that authentic conversation with your son.

[Cameron Marlo]

Were you able to, like, chat with her after?

[Manny Mua]

Yes.

[Cameron Marlo]

You were?

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

So it was like a little meet and greet after her scene.

[Manny Mua]

It was just me in there. It was weird. Like, I was the only other person in that room at the restaurant. I don' know why the restaurant had other people.

[Cameron Marlo]

Do you think they knew who you were?

[Manny Mua]

And they're like, yeah, maybe.

[Cameron Marlo]

Let's just.

[Manny Mua]

I didn't put her in there. I would have never signed the waiver if I wasn't glam.

[Natalie]

100%. Like, you were pretty.

[Manny Mua]

Like, you were like, you.

[Nick]

You're literally like.

[Manny Mua]

I was like, I have my glam on. I was like, give me the waiver. Absolutely. And so, yeah, I chatted with her for a while.

[Nick]

All right, so team PK or team.

[Manny Mua]

D, first of all, like, always, like, just, like, no matter what, like, PK so hard, like, don't even give a. Don't even need to know facts. Like, I'm good.

[Cameron Marlo]

Have you seen the photos of him, like, making out with. What are you doing, sir?

[Manny Mua]

Girl, be so for real.

[Cameron Marlo]

And Then she files for divorce the next day.

[Manny Mua]

He's literally the ugliest man I've ever seen in my life. I'm gonna say it. And I try not to go there, but we're going there. He looks like a foot to me.

[Nick]

I didn't want to go there, but I would say I do find it shocking. His lifestyle, he's able to live.

[Cameron Marlo]

How is he getting these women to kiss him?

[Manny Mua]

It ain't that much money.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's not. It's not that much money, Bab.

[Manny Mua]

We're not Bill Belichick. What's his name? Bill Belichick.

[Nick]

That story.

[Manny Mua]

Love it.

[Nick]

I'm obsessed with that story. Honey.

[Manny Mua]

She' about a cash. This isn't. But I'm like, this is a Bill Belichick. Why are you kissing pk?

[Cameron Marlo]

I know, but, you know, it's the whole Bill Belichick and Jordan thing. People were saying. I think it was like Claudia and Jackie were saying that it was. There's no grooming going on here. Like, she is. She's not being groomed. That she's elder abused. If anything, like, the way that she's the criminal here, the way she was so easily. Like, we're not talking about that. Like, he is in a chain at home. Like, this man is.

[Natalie]

He's a conservator, essentially. He's in a conservative. The opposite.

[Nick]

Yeah. I think what I'm so fascinated by it is that, like, I feel like I'm getting a. Like a front row seat into what my nightmare version of dating Nally would have been when we first started dating with a little bit of a gap, a small.

[Natalie]

A small baby gap, but compared to.

[Nick]

That, just a sliver of a gap. And it's like. Yeah. You know, like, when you meet someone in general, like, Natalie thought maybe I was a monster, you know, and, you know. You know, you don't really know, but, like, in my world, it's just like, she's gonna steal everything I have, and she's gonna be. She's gonna, like, take over my life, and before I know, I'm gonna wake up and she's gonna be, like, running everything, and I'm not gonna know what's gone. And, like, she's like, I'm also Dave Portnoy. He had some. Gave some commentary that I kind of agree with. He's like, there's a strong chance. Strong. That Bill Belichick has no idea, just the depth and reach of social media or Instagram. Like. Like, I think he knows that Instagram's a thing And I think he generally understands that, like, things are online, you know, But I don't know if it's like, is it possible that he has no idea that the photo of them at the beach where they're playing Superman is, like, going super viral on the Internet and he just, like, doesn't know?

[Manny Mua]

I think that's a possibility. I think that's a huge. Because of his age. Like, I think that's.

[Nick]

It's a huge possibility, which is kind of wild.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like. Like, I honestly don't think he's ever held his own. Like, iPhone.

[Manny Mua]

Never.

[Cameron Marlo]

Never. Like, he probably at. Like, he probably personally has still maybe a car phone, and then she runs, like, his iPhone, you know?

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

But people are saying, like, his. His. His former players and people defending him are basically saying, like, well, listen, like, maybe it's kind of weird, but at the same time, she's just playing the role of his publicist, which, yeah, that kind of seemed like he is.

[George Burge]

Is.

[Nick]

But, like, why? Yeah, like, why is your girlfriend. I couldn't imagine meeting Natalie a two months in and being like, listen, I. I have the spot open.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, I feel like he could. He could afford for, like, a real public.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, for sure. You know, who maybe just, like, knows the conservatorship.

[Natalie]

Man, she's just taking over at that point.

[Manny Mua]

It is crazy.

[Cameron Marlo]

She was like, honey, could you sign this, please? And he's like, do you think she's.

[Nick]

Releasing emails that he wrote?

[Cameron Marlo]

No, that was crazy. That was her response when people were like, what are you doing? She posted a screenshot of an email he sent to, like, his team.

[Manny Mua]

What did it say?

[Cameron Marlo]

What is she typing it?

[Natalie]

I don't know.

[Cameron Marlo]

We have it.

[Nick]

Good question. Because I think he signed it bb. You know Bill Belichick? Yeah. Do you think. Do you think Bill is, like, sign bb? Bb?

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, is it.

[Natalie]

Is it like, baby, I say BB like that, like, bb. I type BB all the time.

[Manny Mua]

Do you guys think there's a world where he thinks that she's in love with him, or do you think he's aware? Do you think he's aware? He's like, it.

[Nick]

Like.

[Manny Mua]

Like he knows.

[Nick]

I think he cares.

[Manny Mua]

I don't think.

[Natalie]

Maybe he doesn't care. Maybe I definitely doesn't. They just don't care.

[Manny Mua]

Right.

[Nick]

He's the most famous for not caring.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, yeah. Well, then he definitely doesn't care.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, he just like, okay, what I am confused about is she. She posted this as, like, response. And I'll be honest. He does not say, like, her name Name once in this email. It's like she posted it as if he said, I need Jordan to be my spokesperson and, like, speak up for topics I don't want to talk about. And I don't want to talk about, like, our relationship. And it does not say not one ounce of that. So it talks a lot about, like, his book and, like, the super bowl and how, like, he wrote a whole book and basically, like, the headline was just that he liked up. And that's like, what everyone's running with is, like, the headline.

[Nick]

Like, it's like, yeah, it's some. It's some version of. He's basically saying, I know that the media is going to focus on the negative and not focus on, like, what 95 of the book is, but why.

[Cameron Marlo]

Is, like, you meeting your girlfriend a negative? Where'd you meet her?

[Nick]

Or. Or. Or just like it. But. But, like, forget it. Clearly. Hell, we've just. For our baby. Little gap.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yes.

[Nick]

We get shit. Yeah. And it's like, if you. If you are aware that the Internet focuses on the negatives, why are you obsessed with, like, demanding that your girlfriend go wherever you go, like, and follow you like a shadow?

[Cameron Marlo]

She's like, start working for you, like, like walkie talkie Mike at, like, his. His college game. She's like, taking it from the. The sound guy and doing it herself.

[Natalie]

That's weird.

[Nick]

No, she's full service.

[Cameron Marlo]

Full service.

[Natalie]

Like, that's weird. Like, putting a big.

[Cameron Marlo]

She's putting on.

[Manny Mua]

She's getting the check and.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, she's cleaning his dentures in the glass.

[Natalie]

She knows what she's like. She knows exactly what she has to do.

[Nick]

The most believable rumor I heard, and I don't. I. You saw like, a TikTok or something. I don't. It may have been completely. Or maybe it was true, but, like, someone's like, I went to high school with her, and she was like, a nerd who got hot. And she's like. Seems to be like, kind of standing on business and full, like, fully capable. Like a. You know, she was probably, like an A student. And then things got hot, and now she knows exactly what she's doing. She's running this. And, like, she's just like, yeah, she's.

[Manny Mua]

A smart sugar baby.

[Natalie]

Yes, she's a smart sugar baby.

[Manny Mua]

An educated sugar baby is a conservative.

[Natalie]

For real. Right now, a smart sugar baby is basically a concern.

[Cameron Marlo]

Literally. Literally.

[Natalie]

I mean, every woman that gets pregnant with Elon Musk child, I'm like, you better get.

[Manny Mua]

I mean, another check is cash you.

[Natalie]

Better get that check, baby.

[Cameron Marlo]

How. How are they?

[Natalie]

Getting to sleep with Elon is a feat.

[Cameron Marlo]

Is he checking his DMs? How are we?

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Natalie]

You know, I don't know. And I literally think I'm like, how could anyone even sleep with him in the first place? But I'm like, okay, at least you have acquired some things.

[Cameron Marlo]

You've got to be getting them pregnant on purpose. There's no way that an accident.

[Manny Mua]

Well, he said that he. I think there was something like.

[Nick]

No, he.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, like, he said, like, he wanted.

[Nick]

He's very much worried about, like, population, like, depleting, which is. It is a thing.

[Natalie]

I mean.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, but, like, is that a bad thing? We're overpopulated.

[Nick]

I don't think we are.

[Manny Mua]

I think we're way overpopulated.

[Cameron Marlo]

There's too many people here.

[Nick]

Definitely not the person. You know, I don't know if any of us are, like, the person to ask about.

[Manny Mua]

We're not.

[Nick]

Us in traffic.

[Natalie]

I'm like, we're overpopulated. Like, it's so us fully going into it. Like, we're having full deep dives. I'm like, there's too many people.

[Nick]

But just to just in general, I am fairly confident in saying that, like, how are just our general society and economy works is that like, the younger generation takes care of the older generations.

[Cameron Marlo]

We do.

[Nick]

And there are no new generations.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. Gen Z is not having kids. Babes.

[Nick]

Yeah. So it's just kind of like millennials. We've, like, fast forward 20, 30 years, there might be some serious gaps in terms of, like, who's doing what and. And who's working what. And, and 100. So, you know, I, you know, I.

[Natalie]

Mean, just like, you can obviously just tell, like, you know, my parents had me at like, 1918. Like. Yeah, people aren't having kids at 1918 anymore in comparison to what it was, you know, back in the day. Because that's just what you did. Oh, that's true. But, like, in general, I think that social media is just exposed so much more.

[Manny Mua]

Did you know teen pregnancy is down in gen Z by 78%?

[Cameron Marlo]

No, 78.

[Nick]

That's how, like, we need them to.

[Cameron Marlo]

We need them.

[Manny Mua]

We need them to not get pregnant as a teenager. Yes. That is.

[Cameron Marlo]

Watch 16 and pregnant or teen mom.

[Manny Mua]

They did. That's why the husband.

[Natalie]

They're like, not us.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, not them. Not them.

[Cameron Marlo]

That is wild.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. I watched Doc Shepherd's podcast and he read off, like, a list of actual statistics on Gen Z and how much Better they are than usual us. But it's the evolution of human beings. Like, you live, you learn, you see. And they have social media and they see so much, they're able to learn quicker.

[Nick]

I don't know if they're better.

[Cameron Marlo]

Well, you would say.

[Manny Mua]

I mean, I think they're better than us. I think Gen Z is better than Aspects for sure. Yes.

[Natalie]

I think millennials have, like, you know, a lot that do better.

[Manny Mua]

But yeah, in comparison, we're better than the bims and all that Al.

[Cameron Marlo]

Whatever was before, whatever it is.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

And then Gen Z, I think, is better than.

[Nick]

But like, can't there be like a worse one? Or we just always assume it's better.

[Manny Mua]

Could be.

[Cameron Marlo]

But you want that. Then we're going down, you know, we're going backwards.

[Natalie]

I like the fact that a lot of Gen Z is more.

[Nick]

So we're just going to go. We're going to go straight delusion no matter what. Just like. But it always gets better.

[Cameron Marlo]

Well.

[Natalie]

Well, I mean, who knows?

[Nick]

Who knows?

[Cameron Marlo]

We're not the ones to ask.

[Manny Mua]

They're too young to know yet.

[Nick]

Maybe they are. I don't, you know, it's entirely possible.

[Natalie]

Yeah, absolutely. I just like the fact that they're more open in comparison.

[Manny Mua]

The resources. That's what it all is. It's all the resources and communication. That's the whole thing with Gen Z.

[Cameron Marlo]

Do you feel like Kyle and Mo are going to get back together or no?

[Manny Mua]

I don't know who those people are.

[Cameron Marlo]

Kyle, Mo from Beverly Hills Housewives.

[Natalie]

Kyle Mauricio.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Manny Mua]

You're like, yes, you do. You do. This is my hot take.

[Natalie]

Give it.

[Manny Mua]

I think Mauricio has cheated on Kyle for probably 20 years now. And I think Kyle has put up with it for the children, the show, the money, the lifestyle. To not disrupt all that they built together. All. It would be a lot to tear that apart. And I think she's just got her own success now and has gotten older and she's like, okay, our kids are grown. Like, I'm finally getting rid of your ass. You can go be with your 20 women and be done. But I think he's ran around on her for years and years and she's finally just, like, done with it.

[Cameron Marlo]

Do you think they're not, like, officially getting divorced because of.

[Manny Mua]

Of, like, logistics? Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Manny Mua]

Yes. I think it's all the logistics behind the scenes.

[Cameron Marlo]

Okay. I do need to pick your brain about this because you're married.

[Manny Mua]

Yes.

[Cameron Marlo]

And this is like a new. I was talking to Nick about this last night. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's starting to piss me off. Oh, give it to me. We got married a year ago.

[Manny Mua]

Congratulations.

[Cameron Marlo]

April 27th.

[Manny Mua]

So incredible this past weekend.

[Cameron Marlo]

Thank you very much. And I'm now every time I get on TikTok and Scroll, I come across some random person. Maybe they have a following, maybe they do not. But they are being like, let me tell you what is out of style for brides for weddings. Like arched florals at your aisle. Don't do it. You'll look back and it'll be like the chevron of 2010, the backwards neck scarf. Don't do the drop waist on a, on a dress. That's the equivalent to mason jars.

[Manny Mua]

Okay.

[Cameron Marlo]

They are just eating them up. And I'm like, you know what if I am just a random girl in like Indiana and I am planning my wedding and I've got my dream dress. I can't imagine like getting on TikTok to scroll and seeing some random girl equate my dress to chevron.

[Manny Mua]

Right.

[Cameron Marlo]

You know, it's like it's darked up, it's fucked up. Like I just spent all my money, all my time planning this. And like you're gonna tell me that arched florals are out.

[Manny Mua]

I think the wedding industry is a scam. And I went to the courthouse and got married because part of, well, I was broke to be very transparent here. So there was never a wedding in my future. But I always, all my friends got married right out of high school. I'm from Alabama. Like, so I was in, I think like four weddings right before I moved out to California, cuz everybody got married. And I sat back and was. Saw this and I said, this is a money making scam, this whole thing.

[Nick]

Organized crime.

[Manny Mua]

It's organized crime. It's a very hot take as well. That's another hot take of mine. And I've always thought that, but I don't say it too loud because I'm happy for people in their weddings. Like I'm happy for women in their dreams.

[Nick]

We had a great wedding. We spent more than we thought we were going to.

[Manny Mua]

Absolutely amazing.

[Nick]

It was and you know, a little nervous going into it and it certainly wasn't without a, a million headaches. Mostly dealing with all the vendors.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Who are criminals.

[Manny Mua]

Criminals, absolutely.

[Nick]

Because what they do is they hold your most special day hostage. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Manny Mua]

They got you on the line. You're in a vulnerable situation.

[Nick]

You're in a vulnerable situation. You're stressed out. You want it to be your day. And they all say, well, this is just how it is.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. An influencer had a rich wedding. I won't say who it was because one of their bridesmaids was telling me the tea. So they paid, like, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for this wedding. It wasn't Karen, by the way, because people will assume. People assume. It wasn't here. It was another influencer. And because they left a McDonald's bag with, like, some of the fries and stuff out where all the girls got ready, they charged them an 800 cleaning.

[Natalie]

Fee just for that.

[Manny Mua]

It's literally. It's criminal activity.

[Nick]

No, it's criminal. It's extortion.

[Manny Mua]

It is. It's extortion.

[Cameron Marlo]

And now you have Sally, Joe being like, you can't. You need to get a whole new dress, because you're gonna look back on that and regret all your decisions.

[Manny Mua]

Okay. But then you're gonna regret that decision of the new dress. That's gonna regret that decision.

[Cameron Marlo]

Everything comes back around. That's why we're Capri.

[Manny Mua]

The Chevron ain't coming back, though. Those girls up.

[Cameron Marlo]

Remember those bubble necklaces?

[Manny Mua]

Oh, they're never coming back. That was just a up. Okay. In history, we had to write that one off.

[Nick]

I have a fashion question for everyone in the room. We were at Stagecoach.

[Manny Mua]

Love that. I love stage.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was fun. And I'm old enough to. To have once been alive when baggy jean shorts were in.

[Manny Mua]

I was there.

[Nick]

I was in the sixth grade, and.

[Cameron Marlo]

The, like, cargo shorts.

[Nick]

We were walking in the stage. Stage coach and this very attractive couple walked in. She was in all denim, and he was, like, in these, like, giant baggy jean shorts, where I was just like, this can't be happening. Happening.

[Manny Mua]

Came back.

[Nick]

And then I saw several other people, I think younger, in baggy jean shorts. And I'm like, is this actually. Is this coming back?

[Manny Mua]

Your life flashed before your eyes.

[Nick]

Skip it. Like, it's not. I'm just telling people, like, you're not.

[Manny Mua]

Going to get those baggy jean shorts.

[Cameron Marlo]

No, it's like anti shorts.

[Nick]

I'm anti shorts in general. Like, if you're working out, fine, you know, and if it's stifling hot, like, if it's dangerously hot outside and you might overheat. I get it. You know, if you're on a trip, you know, there's beaches. Fine. Like, yolo. Like, when in Rome. But short of that, like, choosing to wear shorts and show your ankles as a man. And then jean shorts.

[Cameron Marlo]

Shorts.

[Manny Mua]

George, I.

[Nick]

Well, listen, you know, there's plenty of pictures out there in me and jean shorts, but they were tight and rolled and that was also a problem.

[Cameron Marlo]

It was.

[Nick]

I honestly, I, I mean, I was the king of skinny jeans.

[Manny Mua]

So like, that's diabolical. A man in skinny.

[Nick]

Why do we ever wear those?

[Manny Mua]

Now that we're back in the.

[Natalie]

Like, I still see men in skinny jeans.

[Nick]

Still. Yeah. And I, again, I was, I was, I was, I was leading that.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, you were the leader.

[Nick]

Yeah. No, they were painted because I have thick, meaty thighs. I didn't want to, but I did.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Nick]

But I, I like to taper, I guess, and I don't. What. What were. What were we thinking? Sometimes you have to say no to, like, fashion.

[Manny Mua]

This is where you're drawing the line.

[Nick]

Shorts. It just looks like you, you know, Say it.

[Natalie]

I bought baggy jean shorts for Coachella and I never wore them.

[Cameron Marlo]

Did you try them on just so.

[Natalie]

Everyone knows you did? And I would like everyone to know.

[Cameron Marlo]

He has to get it off his chest.

[Natalie]

I need to get it out. Okay. I got them. I was.

[Nick]

Do you think that, like, are you wearing them?

[Natalie]

Cuz you're like, no. And I put them on and I'm like, this. I literally, I bought them and I just put them on. I was literally like, why the. Did I.

[Nick]

You look like.

[Natalie]

No, I looked crazy.

[Nick]

No, cuz look at. This is. There's a good looking guy and an attractive woman and they're a couple.

[Natalie]

When I put them on, I was literally like, that was a bad idea. Got to say, I never wore them.

[Cameron Marlo]

That's a joke.

[Natalie]

I never wore them, but I did buy them.

[Manny Mua]

Could you get behind regular jean shorts that weren't baggy? Could we get you there again?

[Nick]

I've worn them.

[Manny Mua]

Okay.

[Natalie]

And skin. I'm talking skin type.

[Cameron Marlo]

I'm sure we could find a photo actually of Nick.

[Natalie]

I'm sure we could actually on my Instagram somewhere.

[Nick]

You know, I've, I've, I've worn them.

[Manny Mua]

To festivals, but you're drawing the line when it comes to those baggy 90s.

[Nick]

This is sometimes. Yeah, sometimes you have to say no.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

You know, we should have said no to Chevron in here.

[Nick]

We. I'm all for, like, you try things out. I mean, you bought them, you tried them.

[Natalie]

I tried it and I was like, no, it looked bad. I looked literally about five feet tall.

[Nick]

No, but I. It's like, yeah. As someone who is old enough to have worn them in the sixth grade and then have them get out of fashion and and then as a high school student, be mortified by realizing I was wearing baggy jean shorts that, like, went past my knees and then thought to myself, how did I ever do that? And. And then fast forward 20, 25 and. And they're back.

[Manny Mua]

Did you walk up to them and say, you're going to regret this?

[Nick]

But no.

[Cameron Marlo]

No. He let him.

[Nick]

He let them walk around them. Yeah, he let him.

[Manny Mua]

Wow.

[Cameron Marlo]

Y'all know there's a new show coming out called Sneaky Links. Is that right?

[George Burge]

Dating After Dark.

[Cameron Marlo]

Dating After Dark.

[George Burge]

It's both sneaky links.

[Cameron Marlo]

Dating After Dark. So they're putting all of these people in a hotel with their sneaky link, the purse, their booty call, the person that. That, like, they go to at night when they're, like, feeling lonely.

[Manny Mua]

Okay.

[Cameron Marlo]

And it's all these people in this hotel room, and I don't know what, like, the. Like, I don't know if they're hoping that maybe someone will end up with their sneaky link, like, falling in love. Yes. I do feel like maybe I like.

[Manny Mua]

This idea of a show, though, of.

[Cameron Marlo]

That the reason that they are a sneaky link, because maybe they don't want to.

[Nick]

Spoiler alert. Guessing no one wants to go ahead and date that person. They want to keep a secret.

[Manny Mua]

Right.

[Natalie]

They're sneaky link.

[George Burge]

Right.

[Manny Mua]

That date.

[Cameron Marlo]

They are.

[Manny Mua]

Did you guys watch Temptation Island?

[Cameron Marlo]

Oh, my God. Did we?

[Nick]

We hosted the unofficial reunion.

[Natalie]

Oh, the most recent. The most recent season was, like, super talked about.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

That's the one you're talking about, right? Season three.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yes.

[Manny Mua]

It pissed me off the whole time, and I'm probably not going to watch season two. I was so pissed off.

[Nick]

Why?

[Manny Mua]

Like, does anyone have a brain anymore?

[Nick]

No.

[Cameron Marlo]

God, no.

[Manny Mua]

What was that? That they knew what they were doing in the casting.

[Cameron Marlo]

What's crazy as is I got a DM from someone being, like, responding to our wedding video and being like, oh, my God, this is. Is so sweet. Meanwhile, me and my fiance are signing up for Temptation island, like, the next season. And I was like, oh, dear God.

[Nick]

Oh, break up now.

[Cameron Marlo]

Oh, yeah, just don't do it.

[Natalie]

You're going to.

[Cameron Marlo]

Your feelings are going to be hurt.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Manny Mua]

I could get behind it if the women would have just been so for real. Like, I would have loved the show because it would have been the best ending for them just to read these men up and down and drag their asses. And I'm not. I am a man hater, but I'm like, the man hater who, like, loves my.

[George Burge]

When you're sitting on.

[Manny Mua]

As he, like, brings me, I go, you know, I'm that person. I am. So I don't want to come across. It's just like a. But, like, that show was brutal to watch. It's hard. It was hard.

[Cameron Marlo]

What did you think of Brion and Shantae, the guy who had the threesome? And then she.

[Manny Mua]

I wanted. And then the way they even gave him the sob story. That's viral. They gave him the sob story of like, oh, I had a hard life. So I'm a piece of. I was literally like, like watching it and she's like, I just haven't seen, like, what I need to see yet. I was like, are you blind?

[Cameron Marlo]

I do think we are going to leave together.

[Natalie]

What? Like, what do you mean? I think that's my man.

[Manny Mua]

You know what?

[Natalie]

Really?

[Cameron Marlo]

After seeing everything.

[Nick]

You know what?

[Natalie]

So that's what I look like.

[Cameron Marlo]

Wait a second. He was performing.

[Natalie]

I was like, so that's what I look like getting founded out, period. Like, what?

[Manny Mua]

That was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I know. Netflix ate that up. They were like, oh, we have gold.

[Cameron Marlo]

The fact that they did not put a camera in that bathroom.

[George Burge]

I know.

[Cameron Marlo]

And the fact that they only had rhythmic slapping.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

It's crazy.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's crazy.

[Nick]

Anytime you hear the word rhythmic slapping in the captions you have.

[Natalie]

I just love a caption. I can't even hear without captions. I swear to God. Honestly is writing it. Oh, I love it. No, honestly, I. Whenever I saw that going around, I was literally like, this is like a real.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

The casting, like, they ate that up, though.

[Manny Mua]

And a lot of the men were shitty on it, but he was just so shitty that you just, like, really took the cake. And he made, like, the most horrible men look okay. Like, it was like, okay.

[Nick]

Because he tried to paint himself as, like, just a victim of life.

[Manny Mua]

Yes. That's what it was.

[Cameron Marlo]

I. Every single time I open the app of Tik Tok, I am presenting. Presented with someone from that show on TikTok Live, talking about them being on that show.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

So I'll be doing that at least until next season, you think? Oh, for sure.

[Natalie]

They're gonna ride the wave until.

[Cameron Marlo]

So the reason I was in that bathroom was Brion is because he. He. We all need. I'm like, everything is on girl talk about anything.

[Natalie]

We don't care.

[Nick]

We don't.

[Cameron Marlo]

Give me your hair care routine, bitch, because I'm over it.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah. Like, you're over the thing.

[Laura Lee]

I'm over it.

[Cameron Marlo]

I don't care.

[Nick]

Well, Manny, Laura, this has been so much fun.

[Cameron Marlo]

Thank you.

[Natalie]

Thank you for having us. That was so much fun. It was such a key.

[Manny Mua]

It was a kiki.

[Natalie]

It was so fun. I love this kind of vibe.

[Cameron Marlo]

We'll come back, please.

[Natalie]

100.

[Manny Mua]

I'll see you.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

See you in Alabama. Up next, George Burge joins us. He recently came on stage and performed with Lana Del Rey at Stagecoach. Catch up with him, see how he's doing and have some fun, period. See you guys.

[Manny Mua]

Bye. Bye.

[Nick]

Yes, me. What I was just doing.

[Cameron Marlo]

What were you just doing?

[Nick]

I was just looking at our baby river on our. Our nanit.

[Cameron Marlo]

Oh, my gosh. I do that all the time. It's so easy.

[Nick]

So easy. The few times I have to leave my really sad, but thank God I have the nanit by my side. When I go to bed, I will go to sleep and I'm in a hotel room and then I'll turn on the nanit and I'll listen to my daughter sleep with the sleep sound machine. And it's great. And I just feel like I'm close to my daughter. I'm still connected to my daughter. It's wonderful. Plus, it's, like, incredible. The camera quality, the. The information you can get from your baby sleeping. It's like the peace of mind every parent absolutely wants to have.

[Cameron Marlo]

The baby monitor allows you to see your baby from anywhere at any time. When you're at work, traveling, or having a date night, you can stay connected all from the nanit app. And I love it so much because you. You can watch a movie, you can be on a phone call, you can be doing so many other things on your phone. In the in. The sound in the nan app is still working. You can still hear your baby. The camera quality, like Nick was saying, is so good. I will zoom in and literally watch river breathe. It's that good. Nana allows you to track your baby's breathing, sleep patterns, and developmental milestones, providing you with personalized insights to understand your baby like never before. Also, I love, like, if I'm putting her to bed, I can. I can go back and, like, rewind the video and watch us in there together. It's really, really special moments. The nanite baby monitor. Also the most awarded baby monitor and app on the market. The nan baby monitor is changing parenthood for the better. It's the one baby item that we cannot live without. And of course, we have a special offer just for our listeners. Get 20% off your first order with code BABY20. That's B A B [e-mail] Now N A N I T.com Nanit Parenthood looks different here.

[Nick]

George, welcome to the show, man.

[George Burge]

Nick, I'm so glad to be here, man. Thank you guys for having me.

[Nick]

We're so glad to have you, man. Like, we saw you at Stagecoach, Coach. You got to perform with Lana Del Rey. We're huge fans of her. So, yeah, welcome to. You know, thanks for taking the time.

[Cameron Marlo]

One day, Lana, like, what's going on?

[Nick]

You know, when you came on stage, we're like, yeah, we'll be interviewing him in a couple of days. No big deal.

[George Burge]

I gotta pump y'all up. I told Lana at soundcheck that I was coming on the. On the show with you guys. She was pumped. She is a huge bachelor fan, and she knew exactly about you guys. And she was like, oh, you're going to love it. And here's what you have to say. And this is everything about them. So Lana gassed you guys up, so now I'm super pumped to be here.

[Cameron Marlo]

How did that.

[Nick]

I feel like I really have to now. The pressure's on. Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah. Lana's listening. Hey, Lana.

[Manny Mua]

Hello.

[Cameron Marlo]

How did that opportunity come about? That's crazy.

[George Burge]

Like, wildest dreams kind of stuff.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah.

[George Burge]

An email. An email from her management to my management. It was one sentence. Would George like to play cowboy songs with Lana Del Rey at Stagecoach?

[Cameron Marlo]

Yes, of course.

[George Burge]

And so we said yes.

[Nick]

No, but at first.

[George Burge]

Did.

[Nick]

You were. What were you doing?

[Cameron Marlo]

It's a spam message.

[George Burge]

I have been chasing this dream forever, so I'm not used to any of this, guys. Like, any. Any of this. Even playing Stagecoach, I'm like, how am I here? So last year was the craziest year of my life, and we started to have some real success for the first time. So all this still feels a bit like a fever dream. But we get this email in and I. I had text my manager back. I was like, hey, man, that's spam. That's not. I was like, you were getting cash.

[Cameron Marlo]

They're going to get your bank account info. Yeah.

[George Burge]

And he's like, no, man. I just got off a conference call with our management in London, and this is very real. And next thing I know, she's flying us out there. She covered our hotel rooms for the week, and we flew out on Monday of Stagecoach. And they had been there three weeks rehearsing, because, I mean, that staging was insane. They built a whole house.

[Nick]

Yeah, they really. Yeah.

[George Burge]

Like, it literally felt like you were Walking onto a movie set. So we go out there and walk in, and she's just sitting in her dressing room, just her and her husband, who is the nicest, most country guy that I've ever met. So she married a gator boat captain from Louisiana.

[Cameron Marlo]

Still giving tours. Like he is still.

[George Burge]

And I can say this because this is what she calls him. She calls him water boy because he sounds like Bobby Buet from the Water Boy when he talk. And I had to thank him. He. He said that he has country music on in the house all the time, and that's how Lana heard the song and that they started dancing to cowboy songs in the kitchen and every night. And she had toyed with it for a while and then ended up asking us.

[Nick]

Isn't that a crazy thing to, like, realize? I mean, just like, you obviously teasing that, like, Lana is even aware of us is a cool moment for us. But to know that you wrote a song that, like, she is enjoying with her man. And, you know, like, I'm assuming that's why you do what you do, right? To, like, make connections with people and, like, you know, music for, you know, every. Every couple has their song, you know what I'm saying? Like, those are things that, like, and, and, and. And one of yours is one of hers, you know what I'm saying is.

[George Burge]

And a picture of them, like, literally making memories around it, right? Like dancing in the kitchen to it. That's exactly why I write songs. And. And you lose perspective of that a little bit in the creative process, and you try not to, because you want to write with the intention of songs going to that place. But a lot of times it's three of us in a dark studio with a guitar and you. And. And you don't really know the. The reach for where those songs are going. So having, like, those moments in the live shows and seeing where these land and how they affect people is so inspiring as a writer, as an artist, and to have the biggest of the big. Making it part of their lives. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

[Nick]

Lana wore the wedding dress from the same designer that Nally wore.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah. So the. Yeah. The girls who designed my wedding dress are now dear, dear friends of mine, and they named a part of this wedding dress the river after our daughter, and Lana wore the river to her wedding.

[George Burge]

So you're a trendsetter.

[Cameron Marlo]

So now my daughter gets to grow up and tell people, like, yeah. Lana Del Re wore the wedding dress named after me, was inspired by my mom.

[George Burge]

I love that. It's.

[Cameron Marlo]

It's Crazy. What was the first part of Cowboy Songs that you had landed? Like, was it the chorus? Like, what was like, what was that part like?

[George Burge]

I think it was a concept. So it was me and a couple of buddies and I do my best writing when I get out of town. It can feel very corporate in Nashville, just because once you have a record deal and once you have a publishing deal in management and everybody's, you know, it can get monetized and, and just commercialized so quick, especially in town, and. And they'll put it on your calendar, you know, from 11 to 4. You're going to be in the studio today and we booked you XYZ writer who has written XYZ hit. And they're going to be in the room with you and they're going to help you write these songs. And all of a sudden you feel like you lose a bit of your, like, creative spark, right when. Because music is not something that you can flip a light on and off. You can't say, like, I'm going to write a hit today or I'm going to capture magic today, or I'm going to feel inspired today. It's very much equate it to fishing, right? Like you have a line in the water most days you're not going to catch anything. And every day now and then, you're going to catch something worth hanging on the wall. And so you're just trying to catch that lightning in a bottle. And so I like to get off campus. We'll go rent a house on a beach or a lake or somewhere that's quiet and still and there's no pressure. And if you want to write a song at 6:00 in the morning, or if you want to write a song at. At midnight, you can do it. And so it was me and three buddies we had spent a week out there. And I've kind of found my circle in town of guys that know me. And I think that's really important for me when I'm writing with other songwriters, just knowing what I would and wouldn't say, what my brand is, who I am, because as an artist, I have to go believe it when I sing it on stage. Country fans like no other can sniff out bullshit in a heartbeat, right? Like, if you don't believe it, like if you're not selling it for real, they will call you out on so fast. And so I've got guys that know me and we're sitting and we'd written a couple songs already, and my buddy goes, man, I don't know what this means. He's like, I don't even have any other words around it, but I had this title, and I thought it was cool. And it's called she Only Dances to Cowboy Songs. I paused for a second, and I just kind of tried to flip some pictures in my head, and I was like, I know exactly what that means. And my wife and I met when we were 18 years old down in Texas. She's a West Texas farmer's daughter from Abilene. I grew up in Austin, and I remember the first time I saw her, and she's always, you know, Daisy Dukes and cowboy boots. And I remember thinking, like, that's the hottest girl I've ever seen when I saw her in a bar. And she is so put together these days. But she was a bit rowdy when we were in college, and it took me a couple months of chasing her to kind of finally get her to agree on and go on a date with me and, like, us to get together. And so I started, like, picturing all these smoky dive bar knives, nights of, like, chasing her. And there's only cowboy songs when you're going out in Austin. And this song kind of just came out of that. Yeah.

[Nick]

Wow, That's a great story.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah. What did she. What was. What'd she think of it?

[George Burge]

Oh, she loved it. She loved it. Yeah. She's got a little crop top that says she only dances cowboy songs on it now, so she's very proud to.

[Cameron Marlo]

Have inspired this song. Yeah. And you. You're a father?

[George Burge]

I am. I have two little boys. We start young in Texas, so they're five, five, and eight. And they are just like my little clones. We. We barbecue in the backyard. When I'm home, I got them playing golf with me, so we'll go play. We're on the road most of the days, but usually the bus gets back to Nashville Sunday morning, and we'll go play three or four holes of golf together and then barbecue in the afternoon. They love country music. They're actually flying out to Denver this weekend to come to the show. And, yeah, my little crew, they give.

[Cameron Marlo]

You their opinion on yourself 100. Real honest.

[George Burge]

My. My older son gasses me up, like, everything I write. He's like, dad, that's the best thing you. He's like, that's gonna be a hit, dad. And my younger son, he's like, no, that's trash, dad. So it's a good, like, good cop, bad cop situation.

[Cameron Marlo]

We were interviewing Jordan Davis, and he was telling us that his Son loves trucks and so anytime he writes a song about a truck, his son's like, oh my God, I love it. It's the best song ever. And then his daughter will hate it. But if it's a song about like love and sweet, she'll be like, dad, I love this song.

[George Burge]

You gotta know your target.

[Cameron Marlo]

You gotta know who your target.

[Nick]

What is a as? As a new dad myself, I have a 15 month year old daughter. What was your favorite age so far of?

[George Burge]

I think I was just thinking about that because I was reading a little bit about you guys before I came in and I saw that y'all have a new daughter and I think y'all are right on the cusp of the most fun part. Right about 18 months. I feel like their personality starts to come out a little bit. You start getting some of that babble, some of the first words, some of the attitude starts to come in.

[Nick]

She's actually. It's already happening.

[George Burge]

Yes, 100% because the, you know, the first year especially mom is in charge no matter what. Just because you mom can, can nurture them and soothe them and it's that comfortable blanket. But about 18 months, that's when dad can start, you know, getting a little bit of attitude and hanging with them and the personality comes out. And that's when I had so much fun.

[Nick]

We, we woke up this morning and watched a little bit of the Rescuers done under.

[George Burge]

Great flick. Have you on the edge of your seat.

[Nick]

Honestly, like I grew up, I grew up watching Disney movies as a kid and I watched all the animated ones. I wanted to be a car cartoonist when I was a kid so like I was obsessed with them. But it's been a minute since I've watched some so it's been fun to go back and watch some of the OG ones and rescue Rescuers Down Under. Is a good one. Is a, is a really good one.

[George Burge]

You get to re watch a bunch of stuff that you wouldn't really have an excuse to watch by yourself without kids.

[Cameron Marlo]

Right.

[George Burge]

But I mean now I'm. I'm going to the movies and watching Sonic the Hedgehog. I just went and saw the Minions in the movie theater. I'm like, I wouldn't have done that by myself. But I'm in know get some popcorn and go hang with the kids. The other thing is as they get a little bit older and start eating off the kids menu like you're not going to order a cheese quesadilla yourself. But if there's a leftover one.

[Nick]

With the kids Menu, Like, a lot I do.

[Cameron Marlo]

I feel like my daughter, who has three teeth, I'm like, she can we do the chicken fingers and the Mac and cheese?

[Nick]

The other day, we didn't even bring River. She's like, can I order off the kids menu?

[Cameron Marlo]

They had on the kids menu a Crunchwrap Supreme. And it was like, not Taco Bell. And I'm like, this has to be amazing.

[George Burge]

How are you gonna say no?

[Cameron Marlo]

Literally, I'm like, this is only for children 12 and under. That's crazy. But back to you. You have opened up for Jason Aldean, Brantley Gilbert. Those are two, like, massive, massive country artists. Have they, like, mentored you in any sort of way? Have they given you any advice that you've taken with you?

[George Burge]

Yeah. Gosh, those guys, it's crazy to even be able to call them friends now because they were such an impact on me. Just watching, watching him on YouTube when I was in high school, trying to sound like them and write songs like them. And so to even be in the same ball game as those guys now is insane. Brantley was the first artist to bet on me big. I had no following. I had just signed a record deal as a solo artist. I don't think I was worth 10 tickets at the time. And he asked me to come open back to back nights for him at Red Rocks. And that was kind of my coming out party. I mean, it was probably four years ago now. And I remember just like pure adrenaline. And it was sold out both nights. And you look up and Red Rocks goes straight up. So even the back seat, the 10,000th person in the back, is on top of you looking down when you're on stage. So you go out there and it just feels like you're in a coliseum. And the reverb from the rocks all around you from that first drum, it just sounds larger than life. And I remember being like, man, this is what I want to do forever. This is the coolest feeling in the world. And so we got to play that. And it was incredible. And thank God it was back to back nights because the first night I'm pretty sure I blacked out. I don't remember anything is like pure adrenaline. But I go side stage to watch Brantley's set, and he's playing and he's killing it. And Brantley's just like, the king cool, right? Like, everything he says is. Is badass. And he takes a little cigarette break, like 30 minutes into the set, which I also think is insane. But he's letting the band Jam. And he walks side stage. And I'll never forget, he lit a cigarette and he takes his big drag and he exhales, and he looks to the side of me and he goes, pretty cool, huh? And I was like, yeah, man, this is pretty cool.

[Cameron Marlo]

And he's just so, like. He's such a big guy with all those tattoos, and I bet he was. Yeah, just like anything he says is just so cool.

[George Burge]

He's. He's the best. And we've since gotten to start writing songs together. He's like a big brother to me. He's had a huge influence on my sound. And then. And then Aldean. I mean, entertainer of the year, one of the best to ever do it in country music, a pioneer of his sound. Like, nobody sounded like Jason when he came out. And I think the rock and roll cowboy, he the first to put those, like, big, beefy guitars and big drums and add some of that energy to country music. And I did not know that I was going to be able to do the artist thing. A lot of times, the track in Nashville is, you're a songwriter. First you write some hits, other people cut them, and then if you get lucky, you'll have somebody believe in you enough to let you give a shot of recording your own songs. And so my first number one was a song called Mind on youn. And I didn't have a record deal or anything going at the time, and I'd written Mind on you, and I sent it to Jason Aldean just being like, this guy is the one. I want to sing this song. And the next day I get an email back saying, like, don't play this song for anybody. Jason wants to put it on his new record, and I'm like, out of my mind. I'm like, this is everything I could have dreamed of. Like, I've made it. This is. You can't tell me anything. I'm going to be a hit songwriter. Here we go. And fast forward about six months. I had just. My social media went viral. All of a sudden, all the record labels are calling. I got to sign a record deal, which was insane. And I'm on the phone with the head of the label, and he's like, hey, man. He's like, we're so excited to work with you, and we've been listening to music, but that song that you gave to Aldean, he was like, I need you to call and ask for it back, because it's going to be your first single, and it's going to change your life. And I remember just feeling, like, the pit in my stomach being like, how am I going to call the entertainer of the year and ask for my song back? But he was so kind about it, and he was excited for me, and.

[Nick]

He was excited for my office to go back. Like, the call itself, like, you. You did. You just. You called.

[George Burge]

I called his producer called. I. I didn't want to. Like, I took the middleman route, so I called his producer, and I was like, hey, man, this is the situation. Could you talk to Jason and, like, then let me know? And he was like, man, I'm sure he's gonna be fine about it, but let me talk to him. And. And they were. They were excited for me and for the opportunity. They were probably like, this kid's an idiot because you've got, like, if Jason Aldean cuts my song, it's gonna go to number one. If he puts it out, everything he puts out goes to number one. My kids will be able to go to college. I'll be able to finally pay my electrical bill. Like, life will be a little bit easier. Instead, I'm gonna take that away, and I'm gonna bet on a new artist on a startup record label who's never had a hit before, which, if you crunch the numbers on that, there's probably, like, a less than 1% chance of it working. So Jason was pro luck, you know.

[Nick]

More, you know him. I don't nothing about country music other than that I'm a fan, but I'm like, at some point, Jason had to bet on himself y 100%. And I'm guessing when you made that call, like, it reminded him of a moment where, you know, at some point he was you. And there was, you know, maybe it was Alan Jackson or, you know, someone else he had to, like, do that with. And, like, that was your bet on yourself moment. And so he was probably, like, happy to do that.

[George Burge]

It's so funny you say that, because about just over a year later, the song did go number one with my name on it, which was insane. And it changed my life, was a breakout song of my career. And I saw Jason at a after party, and I went up and said, thank you. And he was like, man, I have been following the life of this song. He's like, I've been watching it all the way up the chart. And he was like, I want to tell you, he was like, it reminds me so much of my path because Broken Bow, the label that he's on now. And then he started. He was the first Artist on the label or like, the startup artist on the label. He was their first number one. It was a long shot for him, and he had had a couple failed record deals before, and he was like, it reminds me a lot of my path. And he was like, I was rooting for you. And it was really cool to see. So, like, that I was 10ft tall after that conversation. It was really cool.

[Nick]

The stories like that give me chills, too. Like, even when you came out with Lana and you were just like, you. You said, like, my heart beat onto my chest and you could believe it, right? In a very charming, very cool way. I. I love moments like that. I love it when people, like, don't hide their nerves.

[George Burge]

Yeah, man.

[Nick]

Lean into it, you know, because, like, it's just a very human thing. And then when you are, you know, Jason Naldeen level, and you're the biggest country, you know, rock star, you know, you'll look back and those would be, like, that. Those surreal moments, you know, like, it's. It's a very cool thing to remember.

[George Burge]

That you just try to capture the energy when we're out there. And I will tell you, standing side stage with Lana, I've gotten to do some cool stuff, right? Like, Van Allen Jansen with Jason and Brantley, and I'm direct support for Luke Bryant all summer, which is 20,000 people in the amphitheater is amazing. Hearing that crowd scream for Lana. Before I went on stage, I had my ant ears in. I had my pack turned all the way up, like, which is supposed to mute the crowd so you can hear what you're doing. And it was so loud, I couldn't hear anything, and my heart was beating, so I was like, I don't know if I can say my last name in the microphone right now, but, you know, you get out there and you start, and adrenaline kind of kicks in. And it went incredible, but it is a rush like none other, that's for sure.

[Nick]

I mean, obviously there's like, Lana's one of them. Post Malone is another one. Like, are you into the. Some of the artists making that transition? Do you feel like it's a level of respect that, like, country music in general is getting, or is it more. More like, you know, do your stay out of our lane kind of thing?

[George Burge]

I think that's such a good question. I grew up on country music. It's basically all I ever listened to. And it's sacred to me, right? Like, it's my memories of my dad and I in the truck and songs that, like, I would just get lost in and I would plug my own memories in it. And, like, I still remember my dad, like, showing me his favorite songs and Willie Nelson and George Strait and falling in love with it. And I think that country is such a unique genre because it is super family and friends based, and it's so connected and it's values based, and I think there's a lot of strength in that. But I also think that, like, I'm so excited that the genre that I personally love and that I've made, like, my life goal to grow is in such a huge spotlight right now. Now, I do think that there's, like, a right and a wrong way to do it. I think that if you want to come into country music, I think having a background in it, you know, knowing who the stars before you were, knowing their songs, knowing what the influences were, and using that to, like, create the country sound that you're wanting to create, I think is an awesome way to do. I think Post Malone coming and living in Nashville for two years and riding with all Nashville songwriters and featuring Nashville artists on his record, I think he did it in such a perfect way, and I think he's making genuine country music. And I think it has been such a blessing for us to have him over here because it's grown the genre like crazy. And that's not a flash in a pan thingy either. I mean, he's been a country fan for a long time, and I think that that kind of reverence shows that you genuinely care about the genre and genuinely want to be part of it, rather than just like, capitalizing on a pop moment, you know, or like a flash in a pan.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[George Burge]

I have a crazy story about Post Malone. My first record deal, I was in a band, and I got signed by Toby Keith, and Toby and I went on tour. It was me, and then I think it was David Lee Murphy and then Toby on the tour. And it was the coolest, like, tour I've ever been on, right? These legends. And I'm kicking off the show and I'm playing when there's like a thousand people there. You know, nobody's gotten to their seats yet. Everybody's, like, pouring a drink, and we're on stage to an empty amphitheater. But it was awesome, right? And this had been 2018, and it was Toby's birthday in Virginia. Virginia Beach. And he was like, hey, man, after the show, we're gonna go party on the bus. And I was like, hell, yeah, I'm gonna get to party with Toby. Keith tonight. Like, this is gonna be awesome. Right? So I finished my show. I was probably like, gosh, I'd have been in my late 20s. Like, yeah, yeah, 27, something like that. Yeah. And so we go to the bus with Toby, and he has, like, a little tailgate area set out outside. So I'm sitting there, I have my agent. Cause everybody's always got, like, their handlers, right?

[Nick]

Right.

[George Burge]

Somebody to, like, keep you from doing something stupid, but also point you in the right direction. So my handler's taking me over here, putting me in the chair, making sure I'm in the right spot when Toby walks up and stuff. And I see this group of guys walking behind Toby on the way up to the bus. And my manager's like, tapping me on the shoulder and he's like, hey, man, that's Post Malone. And I was like, who's Post Malone? I have no idea who that is. Because this is, like, long time ago, right? I think he's, like, fresh off of White Iverson blowing up. And Post was on tour and had made a point to come out to that show because he was a huge Toby Keith fan. And this is, what, eight years before, seven years before he made a country record. So, I mean, he's loved country for a long time. So we go up on the bus, and the other guys were with him, were Seal Team 6. So it was me, Seal Team 6, Post Malone and Toby Keith. And we passed around, like, one of the giant, giant handles of Jack Daniels. Everybody was smoking inside the tour bus and a guitar, and we passed it around and played covers until, like, 4:00 in the morning.

[Nick]

It's like, what the fuck is my life?

[George Burge]

Worst hangover of my life. First of all, right, SEAL Team six is singing, like, karaoke style with us. Me, Toby and Post are passing it along. And Post Malone's singing like, Randy Travis and George straight and like, he's not Googling anything. He knows all the chords, he knows all the words. And I was like that. He genuinely loves country music. And I think that's incredible. My phone died. They were on tour buses. We were not at the time, we were. We were flying to shows and staying in hotels at the time. So I knew I was in a Holiday Inn. And I got in a cab because my phone was dead. I couldn't take an Uber. And I went to five Holiday Inns before I found the one that I was staying at and watched Watch the Sunrise. To this day, the worst hangover of my life. What an incredible night.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

What an expensive Cab ride. You're like, all right, take it to the next one.

[George Burge]

We'll try the next one.

[Cameron Marlo]

What were the covers you were singing?

[George Burge]

Gosh, I. I love to do the Fireman by George Strait, One More Last Chance by Vince Gill, and then a Party Crowd by David Lee Murphy are kind of like my go to. But I'm a. I'm a country fiend. So if. If you're playing something between 90s and now country music, I'm singing along with you.

[Cameron Marlo]

So.

[George Burge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

Random question. As someone who can't sing, period, you have a beautiful voice. I hope I can say that. But who is your favorite male vocalist in country music today?

[George Burge]

I would say, like, niche. Like, more dated. Inspiration would probably be Gary Allen. He's kind of like dark, smoky, mysterious. Today. Cameron Marlo is incredible. He's got a big, husky voice that just like, it makes you feel something when he sings it.

[Cameron Marlo]

So, yeah, I feel like Zach Top is also kind of in that, like, bringing that, like, deep, old school country voice kind of back about a. I.

[George Burge]

Want to say a year ago. There's different types of shows that we do as artists, right? We do the big full band Stagecoach, or like the Luke Bryan tour in amphitheaters where you're rocking and it's smoking, it's pyro and huge. And then country radio is still a huge part of breaking careers. We. We say that, like, as big as streaming is, country is very much radio as well. It helps you sell tickets, it helps break a career. And so we put a lot of time into radio and we'll go do these acoustic concerts for radio stations in big markets where they'll have a bunch of listeners get to come for free. And it'll introduce us, and we'll just play us on a guitar on a bar stool and kind of tell the stories of how the songs came about. That way, when they hear them on the radio, they know the artist, they have some familiarity, and they also know how the song came about. And so Zach and I, about a year ago, because I had my first hit just before him, and then he started blowing up. And we were doing it together, and we're sitting on the stage, and I think it was me, Zach, Cameron Marlo, and Tiger Lily Gold was the other act, and I had not heard Zach play before. I've done this for a minute, and I've played with some of the biggest artists in the world, and I've never once felt like I can't hang or I can't do that. Like, I've always felt like, for whatever reason, I've always had a rational confidence, like, I belong here and I can do this. I was watching Zach play and sing, and I was like, oh, shit. I was like, I don't think I can do that.

[Nick]

What was it about it that you.

[George Burge]

He's just so flawless. He doesn't look like he's trying at all. He doesn't miss a note. He's got that twang where he can have the breakup in the top of his voice, but also hit those low Randy Travis notes at the bottom of his range. And meanwhile, he's flat picking guitar like he's got a lead guitar player on stage with him. And half the time he's smoking a cigarette or drinking a whiskey while he's doing it. And you're like, it's not as easy as he makes it look. I promise. Promise you.

[Cameron Marlo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great.

[George Burge]

So we've. We've become fast friends, actually. Zach and I have kind of both been having crazy years. His has been very crazy, but he's super down to earth guy. We both love a lot of the same things, and. And I am definitely rooting for him to. To take over the world because he's a great guy.

[Cameron Marlo]

You personally give, like, flowers to everyone, which feels, you know, it's like. I think country music in general is, like, it's. It's not. There's room for everyone.

[George Burge]

Yeah.

[Cameron Marlo]

And, like, I think as your story with Jason, it's like he was happy to give you that song back and happy to watch it blow up because he's like, listen, like, I'm. I'm. There's room for you. Like, I'm excited to have you in this space, and it's really cool that you're able to, like, do that as well with people.

[George Burge]

I think it's something that I had a longer past than most to get here. Like, I fell on my face, my face a lot. I. I joke, like, if there's a bear trap to fall in, I've fallen in it. From bad management deals to bad lawyers to lost label deals. I had five failed singles in a band before I even started a solo career. And I very much thought that it might never happen. And so the fact that it has opened up to me now and people have given me a chance, and, like, the biggest thing about country music is no matter how good you are, unless somebody gives you a hand up, you're never gonna get a big enough platform to break all the way.

[Nick]

Yeah, you need. You need someone you need an angel, Right.

[George Burge]

You have to have somebody tap you on the shoulder and say you're good enough to be here and kind of give you that credibility. Jake Owen did that for Zach Top he posted on his social media. He said, this kid is going to be the biggest thing in the world. And he wasn't wrong about it. Brantley did it for me. So you have to have that. And I think you're so right in that, like, country fans are so loyal. They buy tickets, they show up. There's enough to go around for everybody. I think if you're scared of the guy that's opening for. For you or you're scared of helping out a new artist, you're probably in the wrong place, and you probably need to look in the mirror a little bit.

[Nick]

Right?

[George Burge]

Like, yeah. So.

[Cameron Marlo]

Well, it won't be long as your current single.

[George Burge]

Yes.

[Cameron Marlo]

How did that come about? How are you feeling about it?

[George Burge]

Oh, my gosh.

[Cameron Marlo]

Response has been amazing.

[George Burge]

It's my favorite song I've ever written. I am in a new chapter of my life, which is exciting and scary at the same time. I had my first two number ones last year. All of a sudden, like, my world's turned upside down. I feel like there's a lot more people that care what I have to say now. I still get a little bit of anxiety playing shows. Like, are people going to show up? And then I'll peek behind the curtain. I'm like, holy shit, it sold out. You know, there's so. It's very much, like, new territory. And the crazy thing is, like, you have your whole life to write your first couple of hits on your. Because you have your whole life to write your first record, and then they need the next one in six months. And so it's like, you have to very quickly find out, like, who you are. What do you want to say? How do you want to evolve? How do you want to grow it? And I was having a bit of a panic attack at the end of last year of, like, I just got to the dance. I don't want to leave now. Like, I need to back this up. And I didn't have a song that I was in love with yet. I had a bunch of stuff that sounded like it had kind of been run through the Nashville Filter like it had. It just sounded like if you try hard enough, you could make this a hit. But it's not going to inspire anybody to go dance in the kitchen or it's not going to inspire anybody to, like, make memories. And that's what I want to do. That's why I make music. And around Thanksgiving of last year, I'm from Texas, and my dad's an old cowboy, tough old son of a gun. And he had come visit me in Nashville. And I have two little guys of my own, like we talked about. And I was looking through the window in the backyard, and the old, old cowboy that taught me everything I know was teaching my little guys the same thing, like how to shoot a Coke can with a BB gun, how to throw a football. He was helping to put a log on the fire in the fire pit. And I specifically remember that old man teaching me all the same things. And it just hit me like a ton of bricks. I was like, all of those things that seem like such nothing moments at the time, right? Like they're fleeting, little one second here or there moments, they seem just like mundane life. When you fast forward and you look back on them, a lot of them are core memories that you, like, hold onto forever for whatever reason. And I was watching that happen in real time, and it hit me like a ton of bricks. And so that song ended up falling out that afternoon. And I think it was just like. It was a way for me to peel back the curtain a little bit. As my fans are getting closer to me, I wanted to get closer to them and tell the story a little bit more. And I just. It felt like a really special time in my life, and I wanted to capture that because it moves fast if you let it. And you gotta grab onto those memories while you can. So that was how this song was inspired. And I was a little bit nervous because it's as vulnerable as I've gotten songwriting. And it's not a big banger tempo. It's very like piano, vocal based. So you always get a little bit scared to put out a ballad as an artist, because you gotta have an intent listener to listen to a ballad, and.

[Cameron Marlo]

But we also need that as listeners.

[George Burge]

It ended up being the biggest release of my life and has been the fastest climbing the chart ever. So it was really exciting to see it land. And this country music, it's real life. Yeah.

[Nick]

No, I mean, I. I love. That's a great story. I've said this multiple times. Every time you get to interview someone like yourself in country music. I haven't always been a fan, and I didn't grow up as a fan of country music. And Natalie, my wife, is the one who got me into it. But it was this. The fact. It was. It was the atmosphere of it. You know, first she Started taking me to concerts. Right. You know, it's like one thing to listen to music on the radio. If you're not necessarily a fan of it and you're like, okay, you kind of zone out. But when you're in it, when you're in the atmosphere and you're right. Like, maybe it was just like the. The season of my life I was in, you know, getting married, having a kid, but kid. But like, yeah, it feels like everything about country music is like a core memory. The family values and like, maybe it's just like I just really fell in love with that aspect of the music. Right.

[Cameron Marlo]

Because it's a storytelling.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's a storytelling. It made me feel like. Yeah, like you're among friends in a weird way. Like, you don't even. I didn't really know any. I'm at, you know, like, a country music festival, and you feel like you're like, you're with your. Because every. You hear people, like, connecting with the songs, and, like, there's just a great feeling there that with other music, I. I didn't get out of that, you know?

[George Burge]

So I think this is such a great take on it, too, that when you said it's a different season of life because we were talking about other artists coming to country music, and I think that it, like, as you grow up and like, as you look for more depth in lyric and as you have a few more memories to maybe attach to the songs or life experiences that you have to attach attached to the songs, it has a little more weight on it. So, like, that's why Ed Sheeran has said that he wants to make country records. And post Malone saying when he turns 30 years old, he's going to be a country artist. I think it's. That's what country is. It's love, it's loss. It's. It's life experiences put into songs. And I think once you have enough of your own memories to plug into those songs, they maybe hit a little bit different.

[Nick]

They really do.

[George Burge]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That's what's great about it. This is a total random question. We were watching Carly Pierce, a friend of show, and, you know, so we know her. And so, like, it's weird when you know. Know someone who's an artist and they come on stage and you, like, see the human. But before you're like, oh, that's Garly. Yeah, the performer. What the are y'all looking at? Sometimes when you have, like, someone else coming on and you're introducing them or your band's playing and, like, you. Are you engaging with the crowd? Because, like, sometimes I saw Carly just almost, like, look up and over. Cause, like, she almost was not trying to make eye contact because it could almost be distracting, like, and I just became, like, so enthralled with, like, trying to figure out what Carly was like, looking at. Do you. Is it weird up there Sometimes?

[George Burge]

So I told you all this is. I'm learning as I go, right? Because this. These size of crowds are pretty new to me. And when I was playing for 20 people, I was just so damn thankful that they were there. I was, like, looking at every single.

[Cameron Marlo]

Person shaking their hand as, I hope.

[George Burge]

I see you at the next one, and thank you for being here. And so, like, I would come out to these big shows with that same attitude, and you can't. Like, there's just too much going on, and you have to put on a show, and you have to think about the lyrics that you're saying and who's coming out and what's the next song on the set list. And your drummers talking in your talkback mic saying, hey, I don't have click in the. In the house right now. I need the sound guy. So, like, there's so much going on that the crowd doesn't see that when you look out there and somebody's holding up a cell phone that says, like, you know, take your shirt off or play Wagon Wheel or whatever, like, and you're trying to read those while that's going on, like, you will up. I promise. So somebody. Sometimes you have to just, like, look at the broader picture, look at the horizon.

[Nick]

Thank you for answering that question. Because I was like, so, like, what the.

[George Burge]

Is she looking at anything that they're writing on the phone screen and holding up? I promise, you don't want to read it.

[Nick]

It's like, yeah, well, George, this has been so much fun, man. Congratulations on all your success.

[Cameron Marlo]

Can we expect an album?

[George Burge]

Yeah, we are working on an album right now. I've got a bunch of writers out on the bus with me on tour this. This summer, so we're just trying to catch, like, the energy from playing the shows, come back on the bus and write a song that we feel like they would want to listen to. Love it. An album in the works, but. And maybe some duets, Some huge duets that I can't believe I'm a part of coming.

[Cameron Marlo]

Like, maybe, like, tease.

[George Burge]

I can't say any names, but I would say initials. In the next two months, you will see some pretty awesome songs that they've sent we all have brown hair, I guess.

[Nick]

Well, do me a favor. Don't forget us on the way up. I have a feeling like you're, you're. This is really, truly just a start for you. Like, like, I'm. I'm a huge fan of resilient people. I love stories that you told about, like all the fuckups and all the mistakes and all the. All the opportunities you had to quit but didn't. And I just think I've so much respect for those kind of people because, like, they're just going to be successful. They just are, you know, like, it's just. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And I think it's just obvious talking to you, you're that type of person. So when, you know, just don't forget us when you're on top.

[George Burge]

Hey, Lana Del Rey's a huge fan and so am I, so I promise I won't.

[Nick]

She hasn't been on this show yet, so I'm just saying you are here.

[Cameron Marlo]

We are definitely using that when we picture. Hey, George said this.

[Nick]

Congratulations, man. Thanks for coming, man. I really appreciate you.

[George Burge]

Thanks for having me.

[Nick]

I wish you nothing but the best.

[George Burge]

Nick, Natalie, you guys are awesome. Thanks for having me on.

[Nick]

Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, George, for coming on as well as Manny and Laura as well. We will be back next week. Don't forget to check out the episode of Going Deeper with Jojo Siwa. It's a doozy. Answering all your burning questions about everything that's going on in her life, Big brother and more, her music career. It's. It's a. It's a wild one. Don't forget to check it out. We will see you back on Monday. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great. You love the host. You seek it out and download it. You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Libsyn Ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows. To reach your target audience in their favorite podcasts with Libsyn ads, go to Libsynads.com that's L I B S Y N ads.com today.