E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read

Summary

Episode Summary: The Viall Files E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Reed

In episode E944 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall alongside co-hosts Natalie Joy and Dylan, dive deep into the latest happenings in reality television, pop culture, and the intricacies of dating and relationships. This episode features insightful discussions on popular reality shows such as Love Island USA, Summer House, and a compelling conversation with Brianne Howey, the star of "Ginny & Georgia".

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1. Love Island USA and "Disrespectfully" Guests

The episode kicks off with a lively discussion featuring guests Katie and Dana from the YouTube channel Disrespectfully. They share their perspectives on the newly released cast of Love Island USA.

• Katie expresses enthusiasm about the new cast members, highlighting their attractiveness and diverse backgrounds. She remarks, "They are all very sexy," emphasizing the show's appeal to audiences seeking both drama and romance (15:30).

• Dana adds to the conversation by discussing the strategic casting choices, mentioning, "It's very season six," suggesting that the producers are aiming to recreate iconic personalities reminiscent of previous seasons (16:02).

The hosts and guests analyze the potential dynamics between the new cast members, speculating on future alliances and conflicts. They humorously critique the authenticity of reality TV behaviors, with Natalie commenting, "I've never met him," referring to cast members, pointing out the often superficial friendships formed on such shows (10:42).

2. Summer House Insights

Transitioning to Summer House, the conversation pivots to the latest season and its developments.

• Natalie shares her firsthand experience, stating, "I got into it with Sarah on Vile Files," indicating her deep dive into the show's current season (07:44).

• The hosts debate the authenticity of the cast's interactions, with Dylan noting, "They don't watch TV anymore," implying a shift in viewing habits among reality stars (07:39).

The discussion highlights the evolving nature of friendships within the show, the impact of external relationships, and the pressures of maintaining authenticity in a highly scrutinized environment.

3. Karen Reed Trial Discussion

A significant portion of the episode delves into the highly publicized trial of Karen Reed.

• Natalie raises concerns about the prosecution's case, asserting, "I think she should be acquitted," while Dana emphasizes the presence of "reasonable doubt" (12:35).

• Dylan and Katie dissect the courtroom dynamics, questioning the credibility of the evidence presented and the behavior of law enforcement involved in the case.

The hosts express skepticism about the trial's outcome, highlighting potential flaws in police work and the media's role in shaping public perception. They debate whether societal biases influence the jury's decision, with Natalie stating, "Bad police work doesn't prove someone's innocent," reflecting on the complexities of justice (14:16).

4. Special Interview with Brianne Howey

At 51:39, Brianne Howey joins the conversation to discuss her role in "Ginny & Georgia". The interview offers an in-depth look into her character development, the challenges of portraying a complex mother figure, and her experiences balancing motherhood with an acting career.

• Brianne shares, "Georgia is very polarizing," acknowledging the multifaceted nature of her character and the audience's divided opinions.

• She delves into the preparation required for her role, mentioning, "We had a dialect coach season one," highlighting the dedication to authenticity in her performance (58:40).

The discussion also touches on her personal life, including her recent experiences as a mother and how they influence her acting. Brianne reflects on the emotional depth required for her role, stating, "I've had some of those conversations, and I have so many younger siblings," drawing parallels between her real-life experiences and her character's motivations (59:05).

5. Parenting and Personal Reflections

Throughout the episode, the hosts and guests interweave personal anecdotes about parenting, drawing connections between their real lives and the themes discussed in reality TV.

• Nick Viall shares heartfelt moments about fatherhood, describing his daughter's independence: "She's like running, monologuing," illustrating the challenges and joys of raising a toddler (67:05).

• Dylan and Natalie exchange stories about sleepless nights and the unpredictable nature of parenting, fostering a relatable atmosphere for listeners navigating similar experiences.

These personal reflections provide a humanizing contrast to the often sensationalized content of reality television, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and genuine connections both on and off the screen.

6. Final Thoughts and Teasers for Upcoming Content

As the episode winds down, the hosts preview upcoming segments, including a "Going Deeper" episode featuring Dakota from the hit show "Secret Lies of Mormon Wives". They tease intense revelations and behind-the-scenes insights, encouraging listeners to tune in for more candid conversations (93:40).

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Notable Quotes:

• Natalie Joy (15:30): "They are all very sexy."
• Katie (14:05): "I think it was a four week relationship or six week relationship. Like why is she so upset?"
• Brianne Howey (58:40): "We had a dialect coach season one."
• Nick Viall (67:05): "She's like running, monologuing."
• Natalie Joy (12:35): "I think she should be acquitted."

This episode of The Viall Files masterfully blends discussions on popular reality TV shows with personal insights and exclusive interviews, offering listeners a comprehensive look into the world of entertainment and beyond.

Transcript

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[Natalie]

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[Dylan]

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[Natalie]

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[Dylan]

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[Natalie]

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[Dylan]

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[Katie]

You're crazy.

[Dana]

Does anyone here eat fast breaks?

[Dylan]

Oh, what is that?

[Dana]

It is the best candy bar on the market. It is a rhesus with nougat.

[Natalie]

I haven't eaten candy since 2024.

[Dylan]

Nick is better than all of us is what he's saying.

[Dana]

Yeah, maybe that's your origin story. You should have some candy. You'd probably be happier. Yeah, candy's the best.

[Natalie]

What are you trying to say? Had a pretty good year after.

[Dylan]

He's been, like, yelling at everyone all morning. Yeah. I'm like, maybe. Maybe you need a fast.

[Dana]

Maybe you need a fast break. So I got that and some lemonade. Sour Patch Kids, but they weren't as great.

[Dylan]

Oh, yum.

[Dana]

What kind of candy do you like? Do you eat candy or is it just no, no, no candy in the household?

[Dylan]

Or are you allowed to. No candy past the front door? Are truly. It's very. It's very strict.

[Dana]

Okay.

[Dylan]

I love a Reese's.

[Dana]

Then you'd probably love a fast break.

[Dylan]

I probably would. I. Yeah. I've been eating chocolate covered almonds on, like, non stop recently. So that's not like, candy.

[Dana]

That's like healthy girl. It's like green juice girl candy. That's like, Nick approved candy. He's like, I'm being bad right now.

[Natalie]

My candy is grapefruit. Oh, my God.

[Dana]

Do you give out trick or treaters toothbrushes and, like, pennies? What do you give trick or treaters? Just curious.

[Dylan]

Yeah, no, I'm like, nick, we have to get the candy for the trick or treat. He's like, absolutely not. You cannot bring that candy into this house.

[Dana]

No, not on my watch.

[Natalie]

That was October. I was still eating candy in 2024.

[Dana]

Was this, like a specific 2025 thing that you were like, I just don't.

[Dylan]

Want the one person on the planet Earth who has, like, made a New Year's resolution and has stuck to it.

[Dana]

Oh, candy was here. So you formerly did eat.

[Natalie]

I haven't had any sugar.

[Dylan]

He formally was. He formally was eating supper and then would immediately make four bowls of Cocoa Pebbles and then eat three popsicles and then go to bed.

[Natalie]

I had a problem.

[Dylan]

Here's the thing.

[Dana]

Isn't there not to be this person. But isn't there sugar and grapefruit? Are you referring to refined?

[Natalie]

Simple sugars. Refined.

[Dylan]

Okay, yeah, okay.

[Natalie]

The stuff that'll kill you and give you diabetes.

[Dylan]

Oh my God.

[Dana]

You know the sugars, as they say in the South.

[Natalie]

I'm sure you've heard that before. Yeah, for other people. Oh, there's sugar and oranges. It's like.

[Dana]

Yeah, well, yeah. And also we need sugar to lift, but. Okay, well, don't show him my fucking going to vlog.

[Dylan]

I don't want to show him that vlogging edge.

[Natalie]

We told you we need sugar to live.

[Dylan]

I don't. I think you actually might.

[Natalie]

Well again, sure.

[Dana]

Not refined like I'm talking about sugar, carbs, you. All these things we need, you do need.

[Natalie]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a fun episode lined up for you today. Later this episode. The star. What? She here? Oh my God, she made it.

[Dana]

I'm so happy to see you.

[Katie]

I was so delirious when I woke up because I didn't fall asleep till 5.

[Natalie]

5. What were you doing?

[Katie]

Well, I fell asleep originally at 8:30 and then I woke up at 11.

[Natalie]

And then went out.

[Katie]

No, I laid there just like dying for.

[Dana]

We both have sleeping disorder. We both have not good sleep situation.

[Natalie]

But what do you do to solve that problem?

[Dana]

Oh, I scroll. I do the thing you're not supposed to do. Yeah, should be doing it. I mean I've tried everything. It just. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Do you have?

[Katie]

I.

[Dylan]

That was my problem and then I got a Kindle and now I'm a book girl. You know, I used to have a fall asleep.

[Dana]

I used to have one but then I kind of resisted. But maybe I should get back on that. Is it nice to have all your books in one place? Yeah, I mean, I love an audiobook too.

[Dylan]

Well, this makes me tired, you know, like my eyes get tired of reading and I honestly don't even understand what's going on in the book because I just fall asleep.

[Katie]

I read Reddit. I call them my bedroom stories.

[Dylan]

Are you serious?

[Katie]

Not about me. No, I read like the. Am I the or I read about people's like really bizarre plain behavior.

[Natalie]

Do you ever go to bed dreaming about the stories?

[Katie]

No, sometimes if I fall asleep to a tick tock though, it will.

[Dana]

Oh yeah. I have on repeat like three audiobooks. One of them being Matthew Perry. Don't ask me. And I just like his voice. And so I'll have, like, dreams about Matthew Perry a lot now.

[Natalie]

I used to want to watch Handmaid's Tale before bed. That was triggering.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Oh, that one's hard to watch before bed.

[Dana]

Yeah, no, thanks.

[Dylan]

A little.

[Katie]

But I might as well just watch.

[Dana]

The local news a little.

[Katie]

And then by the time I woke up, I was like, oh, I have until. And I was like, oh, no, I don't. I gotta move here.

[Natalie]

You look great. And we have a great episode. Dana and Katie from Disrespectfully are here with us today because the cast of Love island has just been released, and since they're best friends with the host, we figured, why not come in and let's talk about the new cast members. We also have Brianne Howey with us this episode, the star of Ginny in Georgia, which premieres this Thursday on Netflix. I feel like it's a show. All of you people listening, watch. You know, she's a complicated character. A mom, you know, who overcomes adversity.

[Dylan]

A mom who is not afraid to speak her mind.

[Natalie]

Not afraid to speak her mind, stand her ground. Well, Brianna's with us, and we have a great conversation with her as later this episode. Also, we'll get into the First Union, part one of Summer, else. You guys don't watch Summer House, do you?

[Dana]

No, but I follow on Tick Tock. I'm chronic when you're chronically online.

[Dylan]

Yeah, I know what's going on. You don't need to watch TV anymore.

[Dana]

No, we'll get into it.

[Natalie]

I got into it with Sarah on Vile Files. Plus, I am just over this group of women calling themselves girls. Girls.

[Dylan]

Yeah, it was a rough reunion.

[Katie]

I. Can we retire that term just forever?

[Natalie]

Thank you. Oh, my God. I truly. I consider myself a girl's girl. Unless I don't like you.

[Connor]

I said it was a buzzword. It's another one of those buzzwords where it's just like, okay, so if I don't like one girl, but I like my girls, or I've got my girls back, then all of a sudden, I'm not a girls girl because I didn't have some random girls back.

[Natalie]

That's this. That's this group of women.

[Katie]

Yeah. No, guess what? There's. There's a lot of women I can't fucking stand. So, no, I will thank you.

[Dylan]

Right.

[Katie]

For you.

[Natalie]

Yeah. And I say this as someone who hates people. I don't like people. I like my people. And it's just like this cast is, like, the leading charge of the self Identified. I'm a girl.

[Dylan]

You are, like, so in love.

[Katie]

Actually, I am.

[Dylan]

With a rock star. Yeah, I feel like we. Last time you were here, did we talk about that?

[Katie]

I don't think so. I haven't really talked. I mean, I've only recently, I guess, talked more about it, but, yeah, I'm super happy.

[Dana]

He's great.

[Natalie]

Wait, so one of the. One of the stars of Next Gen was involved in this, like, crypto kidnapping thing? Charlie Zachur.

[Dylan]

Yeah. We're talking about Katie being in love.

[Natalie]

I know. I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the notes.

[Katie]

But I, you know, I don't mind type keeping it to myself.

[Dylan]

No one wants to know.

[Natalie]

So Katie told me she likes to keep her love life private.

[Dana]

So we're making. He's coming on disrespectful.

[Katie]

Yeah, he'll be on disrespectful.

[Dana]

We're gonna have him on.

[Katie]

Yeah. Once he's back from.

[Emma]

Wait, Katie, how is it being on tour?

[Katie]

It's fun. I like. If you. If you enjoy kind of, like, hanging out and just hanging, then you.

[Nick]

You.

[Katie]

It'll suit you. But I. I don't. I just like being with him, so it's like, I. I could be sharing a bunk with him or walking on Disneyland. I don't know. I just. Whatever we're doing, I just. I just want to be with him.

[Dylan]

You were on a tour bus? Yeah. It's like, how do you feel about.

[Dana]

Sleeping in a sarcophagus? And then you'll know how you feel about.

[Katie]

Yeah, for three nights. My back was wrecked.

[Emma]

It's like sleeping in a coffin.

[Katie]

Yeah, that's basically what it is. I mean, luckily, like, I'm not a huge person. He's not a huge guy, so we. We can fit nicely in there. But, like, it's just every two hours, you wake up and have it to, like, change positions because your hips hurt or then your shoulder hurts and. But I'm still. I still, like, will do it.

[Dylan]

Are you, like, spooning the whole time?

[Katie]

Sometimes it's a little bad. Like, he's definitely, like, a back sleeper, so I just kind of, like, rotisserie around his, like, sides.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Physical touch isn't, like, good for your lower lumbar, I don't think. You know.

[Dana]

No, I like it, though.

[Katie]

I would, you know, I'll risk back problems for it, and.

[Dylan]

As will I.

[Natalie]

Well, anyways, you know, are you. Are you guys. This Next Gen Bravo show does look interesting.

[Katie]

It does. I think it's gonna. I don't know. I mean, you just need a bunch of, like, young kids who just kind of, like, don't know anything yet, you.

[Natalie]

Know, We've never really dived into reality TV nepotism.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Katie]

You know, this will be interesting.

[Natalie]

And this is, like, a first.

[Katie]

I like Brooks a lot. He's sweet.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I've never met him.

[Katie]

Or Brook. Mark.

[Natalie]

He seems like a classy guy.

[Katie]

I like him.

[Natalie]

I think he's very pretty. Who is Charlie Zakur? Is that Cut. Is. Am I pronouncing that right?

[Nick]

Probably not.

[Natalie]

Zach our.

[Connor]

Zach our is a crypto trader and private investor.

[Natalie]

Who is he? The kid of.

[Emma]

I think Kim.

[Katie]

No, no, I think. Is he Kim's daughter dating Kim's daughter?

[Connor]

I think dating Kim.

[Natalie]

They're not all Nepo babies.

[Katie]

No, they're. Some of them are just, like, friends.

[Natalie]

Well, this guy apparently witnessed some sort of, like, crypto attempted kidnapping. Anyways.

[Dylan]

Was it Sherry Papini?

[Natalie]

Have you been following the Sherry Papini case at all? I just. Since my wife has become a true crime junkie.

[Katie]

The Sherry. Which one was that?

[Natalie]

She's like the real life gone girl who faked her kidnapping.

[Katie]

Oh, my God. Yeah. That was nuts.

[Natalie]

There's a new documentary out on it on Max, and there was a documentary on Hulu that seemed to be. They called it like, Keith's.

[Katie]

Her.

[Natalie]

Her. I guess now ex husband. It was like his version. Now it's like her version. We just finished it.

[Dylan]

It's quite interesting. Did y' all follow any of the Karen Reed stuff?

[Dana]

Yeah, we just did a deep dive on that.

[Dylan]

Did you?

[Katie]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

I think she did it.

[Katie]

Do you? You think so, do you? No, No, I don't think so either. I think they have such a loose case against her, and it's all just a bunch of law.

[Natalie]

I think she should be acquitted. I think the state has done a terrible job of proving her innocence. I think these cops are guilty. Well, have. Have done some poor police work and maybe even have some corruption. I still don't think that means she didn't do it. And I think two things can be true at the same time. And the story of her innocence is just far less believable. Too many things have to come together for this conspiracy. As opposed to, like, she got drunk, accidentally hit her ex husband.

[Dylan]

Boyfriend.

[Natalie]

A boyfriend. And. And. And killed him.

[Dana]

I think that I lean more towards she didn't. But I'm not 100. She didn't. But either way, to convict someone of murder, too, on this state's case, you.

[Natalie]

It's.

[Dana]

It's just not there. There's so much reasonable doubt. So I think. No, thank you.

[Katie]

I think because she had left him stranded, knowing that he was maybe locked out of the house or couldn't get in and. But didn't think it would result. I don't know. Who knows? I think maybe she knows something else, but I don't think based on, like.

[Dylan]

All of the Tick tockers.

[Katie]

No, no, the people, like, the people that were testifying, like, the exper. Physics of how it could happen.

[Dylan]

It's just like how like, crash reconstructionists.

[Katie]

Yeah, I was just like. I don't. I don't know.

[Dylan]

Like, they all reenacted it and then it was like, well, you look like you're still fine after that. Like, he got.

[Dana]

He got booped with the taillight and did a, like, cartoon, like, spin and collapse. And then they're like, that is what.

[Dylan]

And then, like, asphyxiate it. And then his black eyes and his. And then the dog.

[Katie]

And then the dog bite. And then the dog. Like, they mysteriously just re home the dog. And then.

[Natalie]

That's more believable than. Why would these people kill him?

[Dylan]

It is also crazy.

[Katie]

They were wasted.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dana]

But then I don't think they meant to. I think they got in a fight and he stumbled out and fell and probably hit his head. And that's what I think was more.

[Dylan]

Likely that I definitely think there was an accident and he ended up dying. And they were all like, holy fuck, we're a bunch of cops and a bunch of cops wives. Like, we're. We got to cover this up. We got to figure out a way.

[Natalie]

And everyone, including the kids, have all, like, stuck to the story.

[Dana]

Why didn't the cops go in the house that morning? If someone dies on the lawn, why on earth did a bunch of police officers not say, you think O.J.

[Natalie]

Did it? Yes, but there was. There was a lot. There was a lot of shitty.

[Dana]

What are you talking about?

[Natalie]

He got off. Because they were able to prove all the shitty police work that, like, did or didn't happen and all. Like, my point is, like, bad police work doesn't prove someone's innocent.

[Katie]

Yeah, but black bad place where Ken also proves someone to be guilty when they're not. Like, did you watch Outcry? What the hell was that?

[Dylan]

No, what was that?

[Katie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dana]

It's on Showtime. You need to watch it.

[Katie]

It's bas.

[Natalie]

Yeah, just watch Karen when you get acquitted, because I think you'll get acquitted. We would love to have you on the show.

[Dana]

And Wait, is the. Is the second trial happening right now?

[Dylan]

The commonwealth has rested their case, and now it's. It's their turn. So she's like. She might testify. Could get crazy.

[Katie]

Yeah. I think it's just because she's not really a likable person.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

That people are like. I think she. It's easier to believe the worst and someone that you just don't care for.

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

See, I think the opposite. I think it's more fun to believe her innocence because that's the most. More salacious story. It's more salacious to think a bunch of cops are colluding. We've all had a bad experience. Whether it's just a pullover or a cop is rude to us. Like, you know, it's just. It's more fun to believe.

[Dana]

I think it's really hard for a woman to come overcome not being likable in the court of public opinion. And she. She is ornery.

[Katie]

I don't.

[Dylan]

She's not.

[Katie]

She's very. She likes the attention. She loves the attention. She really is into herself.

[Natalie]

You know, me. Anyway, the new cast of Love island is upon us. Have you seen these people?

[Katie]

Oh, yeah, I've been. I watched the whole, like, promo that introduced them all. They're all very sexy.

[Natalie]

We have ucila. Is that. Am I saying that right? It's very season six.

[Dylan]

I was about to say. Do you feel like they tried to.

[Natalie]

Find, like, they're like, who is our Leah?

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Who is our Cordell?

[Dylan]

Who is our Serena?

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Who's our Kendall?

[Katie]

No. They literally have a guy on there. He's like, I'm a short king. I'm like, that sounds familiar. It.

[Dylan]

Wasn't he wearing, like, a cowboy hat?

[Katie]

Not that one.

[Connor]

That was a different one.

[Dylan]

That one kind of. Get out.

[Katie]

All right.

[Natalie]

Was that Jeremiah Brown? Sexy.

[Katie]

He says he's a really good communicator. I do remember that.

[Dylan]

Does he also say he's hot? Does he also say he's a liar?

[Katie]

Well, you know, he says he's three out of four.

[Natalie]

Do they have a good guy bios? Do they have, like, fun facts or anything?

[Emma]

Yeah. So Jeremiah's fun fact is that he's a model who just starred in a True religion campaign.

[Dylan]

True Religion.

[Dana]

I didn't know True religion was still around. That's cool.

[Natalie]

I feel like only, like, mega church pastors were True religion genes these days.

[Dana]

Yeah. Is that a recession indicator? I feel scared about that having a.

[Connor]

Moment a while ago, so I think it's just the resurgence.

[Dylan]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like 90s fashion is on its way.

[Connor]

Back, but it's also giving Cordell the like. I want to choose its sponsorship. It's like my fun fact. I just modeled for True Religion.

[Katie]

Yes.

[Emma]

Should we go back to you, Lissa? We didn't do her fun fact.

[Dylan]

She's a mermaid.

[Emma]

She's a. Yeah, she. She's an entrepreneur who works in real estate, hospitality, and luxury and business. Her.

[Dylan]

So she worked in what? That's like four different.

[Emma]

A lot of jobs.

[Dylan]

She's rich.

[Emma]

From Miami, Florida.

[Katie]

She hangs out with rich guys on their boats.

[Dylan]

There we go.

[Emma]

That's what that means. That is what that' code for.

[Katie]

Sorry.

[Dana]

She has a residency at Sexy Fish Chelly.

[Emma]

According to the promo, she's big into astrology, and she will be judging men based on their star signs.

[Dana]

Hell, yeah.

[Natalie]

That's. Yeah, that's reliable.

[Dana]

Hell, yeah, That'll work. Oh, I'm into that.

[Dylan]

It's worked for you.

[Dana]

No, it sure hasn't, But I like it. I like to watch it unfold.

[Dylan]

Perfect.

[Natalie]

Is this our. Is this our quiet, mysterious guy?

[Emma]

This is our guy who jumps into the pool and has a temper tantrum.

[Dylan]

Oh, this is our Rob. He looks like.

[Natalie]

How tall is he?

[Dana]

He looks like Lucas a little bit.

[Katie]

Oh, he's got a little Lucas Gage to him.

[Dylan]

Oh, yeah, he does. Nicholas. Vin Steenberg.

[Natalie]

They all kind of look short.

[Dana]

Is a prereq to have a last name you can't pronounce. What is going on here?

[Emma]

Steenberg.

[Dana]

Aren't they always kind of short kings?

[Natalie]

Is it Nicholas or Nicholas Nichols?

[Dana]

Are they all from Florida?

[Emma]

Except for he's from la.

[Dylan]

Wait, what are his fun facts?

[Emma]

Fun fact, you might recognize him for his modeling work.

[Dylan]

We don't.

[Emma]

I don't. But according to his Instagram, he also has a degree in nursing from Florida Atlantic University.

[Dana]

Okay, Gaylord Focker, let's go.

[Natalie]

I kind of like him not subscribing to social norms.

[Dana]

Yeah, love like.

[Connor]

I wouldn't mind waking up from anesthesia and seeing.

[Dylan]

He said I'm smart and hot.

[Emma]

He's definitely my type of.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Katie]

And I like the cowboy, too, but anyway.

[Emma]

Oh, is he a cowboy?

[Katie]

No. You'll see.

[Dylan]

Decatur.

[Katie]

Alondria.

[Dana]

You know, Decanter.

[Emma]

Decanter. No, it is Decatur.

[Dylan]

It is Decatur.

[Dana]

Why is it spelled like that?

[Emma]

There's a. There's a spelling error on this doc, but it is Decatur.

[Dylan]

Yeah, I was like, decanter is not a place in Alabama that. I know.

[Dana]

I was gonna say you're from the South. You don't Know Decanter?

[Dylan]

You've never visited Decanter.

[Emma]

Her fun fact is she's a graduate of Tuskegee.

[Dylan]

Tuskegee.

[Emma]

Yes.

[Katie]

Thank you.

[Emma]

Tuskegee University.

[Katie]

Oh, this guy.

[Dylan]

This is Cordell.

[Katie]

Yes, this is Cordell. I like. He's. But he's a cowboy. He grew up on. He said he learned to ride a horse before he learned to walk.

[Dylan]

Hot.

[Katie]

I think that's what he said, but yeah.

[Natalie]

What does tattoo say?

[Emma]

It says something, not kill something.

[Dylan]

What are his fun facts, Taylor?

[Emma]

He was on the COVID of Wonderland in 2024 for Louis Vuitt.

[Dylan]

Oh, my God.

[Dana]

Oh, that's cool.

[Natalie]

Like, lots of models. Like, literal models.

[Katie]

Well, yeah. You're half naked the entire time on the show. You better be a model. That's what I'm tuning in for.

[Natalie]

All my reality TV is full of hot people that maybe, like, dabbled in modeling a la, you know, Tom Schwartz. But these guys are like model models.

[Dylan]

Like, yeah, Wonderland.

[Dana]

Yeah, Wonderland. That's legit. I like that he's sticking to the bit with his cowboy hat.

[Connor]

I was going to say to her, I'm like, I mean this with all due respect and just full jealousy of that not being my path, but I'm like, they are. They do also need to be able to take off work for two months. Wants to be in a house dating a bunch of people. So I'm like, I've heard they'd hire a bunch of models.

[Dylan]

Yeah, models. Schedule.

[Natalie]

My salesforce gave me some time.

[Katie]

I feel like you would be into him.

[Dana]

The cowboy. Yeah, yeah. Except for the fact that he's a cowboy. But he was.

[Katie]

I love a cowboy.

[Dana]

Cowboy.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

I watched all those seasons of Yellowstone and 18.

[Dylan]

Were you. Were you a Rip or a Casey or a cow?

[Katie]

All of them.

[Dylan]

All of them.

[Katie]

And Rip. And what's the old guy's name? Him?

[Dana]

Kevin Costner.

[Katie]

No, no, the other Lloyd. Was it Lloyd?

[Dylan]

Oh, yeah, Lloyd.

[Dana]

I love Lloyd.

[Katie]

Lloyd. Lloyd could get it. Huda Raleigh, Huda Mustafa.

[Emma]

All right, fun fact. She's an influencer and trainer who sells online coaching. Given her dedication to her fitness journey, we don't see Huda giving up easily on Love island usa, which could see her making it all the way to the final with her man.

[Dylan]

Do we see her working out with the men? You know, with these men? Yeah. She means, like, because she's a trainer.

[Katie]

Oh.

[Dylan]

You know, like, she's gonna be out.

[Natalie]

There, she's gonna be leading it. She's like, hey, guys, I do curls.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

And with those guys, I don't know, maybe if I like. I think she wants like a big, brawny, Maybe that guy. Oh, that's your type.

[Natalie]

Easy.

[Dana]

I mean, you keep saying every single person, but it's also possible.

[Katie]

I'm just trying to gauge you. I don't know what she's into these days.

[Natalie]

Northville.

[Dana]

Yeah, he saw it.

[Natalie]

Is that Michigan or Minnesota? Michigan, Missouri. What's Emma?

[Emma]

Michigan.

[Natalie]

Michigan.

[Dylan]

Austin Shepard. Okay, what are. He looks tall, but his fun fact.

[Emma]

He recently moved to Florida, so I guess he's now in Florida.

[Natalie]

Floridian.

[Katie]

Okay. What?

[Dylan]

That's his fun fact.

[Natalie]

That's his fun fact.

[Emma]

That is his fun fact.

[Dylan]

Oh, he's.

[Katie]

Okay, Dig a little deeper.

[Dylan]

Can we get the Bachelor producers to pull some fun facts out of these people? This girl I like, I need a fear.

[Emma]

What is her name?

[Katie]

I really. Bella. Bella.

[Natalie]

Bella.

[Katie]

I like her. She's cute.

[Natalie]

Cute.

[Dylan]

I bet it's Bella.

[Katie]

Her package intro package was very cute. And she seems very like.

[Dana]

What's her fact?

[Emma]

Her fun fact is she works at her parents coffee shop when she's not busy modeling.

[Dana]

Yeah, they are all models.

[Katie]

There we go. It's like they're like, we need you to have a little bit more of a humble approach. This like, we can't just say like, you're a model because, okay, I like.

[Dylan]

Occasionally will ring up a latte.

[Katie]

Like, I go for shop, I like to take walks.

[Dylan]

But all of these people will have stuff in common.

[Emma]

So whoever she's with is gonna have to make good coffee to bring to her dressing room.

[Katie]

Oh, yeah, That's a big thing. That's a big component. This is the short king ace.

[Natalie]

How short is short?

[Emma]

His fun fact is that he's a content creator with 1 million followers on TikTok. And his official website describes him as a DJ, comedian, model, choreographer, YouTuber and professional party host.

[Dylan]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

I think we're gonna like him.

[Dana]

I'm surprised so how chronically online I am that I haven' of him. So I'm feeling a little disappointed myself.

[Natalie]

Well, the Internet has a big place.

[Dylan]

Wait, was that everyone from Love Island?

[Connor]

That's the.

[Natalie]

The original cast. We don't know who the Bombshells are going to be. I'm a little surprised that they didn't cast any, like a Allah Rob. You know how Rob was a bombshell from a previous season and that seemed a really pop.

[Emma]

You don't know that that's not going to happen.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, Rob was part of the original cast of last.

[Emma]

The original. But he could be the first bombshell.

[Natalie]

Yeah, but like a bombshell. That's what I'm saying. Rob was a bombshell and then they moved him into the original cast. Like, there's no point in bringing a bombshell back to be a bombshell account.

[Katie]

They do that.

[Dana]

You think Rob's going back?

[Emma]

No, no, no, no, no. But Rob was Casa Amor and he was brought in and in the OG cast. But I could see them bringing in like the first round bombshell of somebody we've seen before.

[Natalie]

What's a bombshell or cast member from a previous season that you would love to see?

[Katie]

Someone from last season, maybe.

[Dylan]

Honestly, all the guys from last season, Rob, that costa more.

[Dana]

Okay, here's the thing. Because I don't chronically watch this, like. Like Katie isn't you guys. But Rob, I actually just was scrolling the other day. I saw him in a bush somewhere with a snake at night, like snake gathering.

[Natalie]

He.

[Dana]

I was like, who the. He's hot. And then I was like, oh, this is that Love island guy that loves snakes.

[Katie]

But he. Was he the first bombshell because he was with Leah at the very beginning.

[Natalie]

No, he was the OG cast.

[Connor]

Okay, so he was OG show more season five.

[Katie]

Oh, okay. I didn't, I didn't. I think I missed that one.

[Dylan]

But have they started filming yet or. Not yet.

[Natalie]

No. It's June 3rd.

[Dylan]

Have you seen any previews of Ariana's outfits?

[Emma]

No.

[Katie]

Kind of want to be.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Katie]

Oh, you have?

[Natalie]

You have?

[Dana]

I have.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Dana]

I've seen a couple there. I mean, her, she crushes it with looks.

[Katie]

I like to see it when she.

[Natalie]

Met any of the cast.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

What does she think?

[Katie]

Yeah, she has.

[Dana]

She's super excited about the season. She's really excited. She's gonna look fucking fire. And I think it's gonna be great. I mean, I love that she genuinely loves the show and had for years. And this is just like, are you.

[Katie]

Gonna watch this year?

[Dylan]

I am.

[Nick]

Just because of her.

[Dylan]

Like, it's a lot.

[Katie]

I get it.

[Dana]

I mostly watch her parts and fast forward.

[Natalie]

That's how we got into it last season. And we're like, oh, my God, this is really good.

[Katie]

It was really good. I mean, you can. It's kind of like you can have it on and sort of pay attention to it and if you need to come back something, you can.

[Natalie]

But like, I just like wondering what they're doing because it's in real time.

[Katie]

It's so weird. Like, are they doing right now being there? Oh, my God, they're sleeping. Watching the monitors while they're sleeping. And we remember after we did the after send, we were sitting there eating like McDonald's and I look over on the screen and it's live feed and they're all just like asleep. I'm like, this is. This feels like such a science experiment. Like it's so bizarre. But it was so cool being there because I love the show so seeing like being that right next to the villa like that. And then where after sun is, it's kind of like on this hill above it. So you can see down into it. Like you see the fire pit. It was very cool. I loved it.

[Dylan]

Are you gonna go back?

[Katie]

I wish. I mean, last time they gave me about three day notice. So perfect.

[Emma]

It could still. There's still hope time.

[Katie]

Yeah. I told them. I was like, I'll come back anytime. For reals. It's paradise. It's just so far.

[Dana]

Yeah. That was a quick three day trip to Fiji.

[Katie]

Yeah. And losing a whole day in between and coming back and then losing my mind.

[Natalie]

It sucks coming back, going there. Not so bad.

[Katie]

No.

[Natalie]

Coming back. Yeah.

[Connor]

You come back on the same day.

[Dylan]

That you already live.

[Katie]

Yeah. And then when you leave there, you skip it and you get to go there. Exactly. It's tough. It was a tough turnaround.

[Natalie]

Yeah. The Virgin Islands are like right there.

[Katie]

That's true.

[Natalie]

In Cabo.

[Katie]

From La Cabo. Yeah.

[Natalie]

All right, ladies. Well, they have to go. Film disrespectfully. Listen to it wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for stopping by. Always good to have.

[Dana]

Thanks for having us.

[Katie]

It was not at all stressful.

[Dylan]

Okay.

[Dana]

Love you guys.

[Dylan]

Bye, guys.

[Natalie]

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[Dylan]

House.

[Natalie]

All right, Summer house. After our heated discussion about this this episode on valfas plus for those of you who don't subscribe. But it's where you get the. Our real feeling sometimes. You know, the uncensored shenanigans because Us.

[Dylan]

Weekly doesn't pay the monthly subscription.

[Natalie]

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[Dylan]

I will say this was a tough watch.

[Natalie]

Tough watch for all you people who ride hard for the ladies of this cast.

[Dylan]

I saw someone make a TikTok and they said that if you're fans of the Sierra Amanda page, you're like one of the toxic people on TikTok. Because it was like you can't realize that these are three mean girls. Like being mean to the one newbie. And I honestly, I saw it this episode same.

[Natalie]

It was rough and, and well and then on the, the, the fans, the supporters, the alleged toxic people on TikTok, their version is this is Lexi's fault because it's like they, their, their explanation is they clearly don't like Lexi. It's just like well, yeah, we, we.

[Dylan]

Get it but like no, I think their take on it is like this was a four week relationship or six week relationship. Like why is she so upset? Why is she making it seem like it was ordeal where all of them laughing while like talking about Toegate and it's like he cheated on Lexi and she's sitting right there. And if that was Sierra, like Sierra still broken fucking loose.

[Natalie]

Yeah, Sierra, we're still talking about her feelings about West.

[Dylan]

She's still talking about. Well, she's still, she's still talking about the press. He did like that. The him going on his media tour still pisses her off. But Lexi can't be upset that like her boyfriend cheated on her. And all of the people there are laughing and it's like, but you want respect when like he does a press tour and mentions your name.

[Natalie]

And why does this cast seem to decide who can't and can't talk to press or do podcasts? Like they say it so condescendingly like on your press tour, they act as they have these rules for their cast. I mean again, we. You have a, you have a young woman who came on not knowing anyone on this cast. A newbie younger than all these People new. And like, again, I don't like. I think the whole girl's girl, as Katie Maloney mentioned earlier, is the dumbest shit ever. As if, like, it's like, it's just a dumb saying.

[Connor]

But when Lexi came into the house, like, her focus was on Jesse, not, like, making friendships with these girls.

[Natalie]

What her focus was walking in the house. She walked in the house and met a guy she was attracted to and started liking him. And is that. That's a crime.

[Connor]

But what I'm saying is, is while she's focused on Jesse, Paige, Amanda and Sierra are having their own summer. So it's like all of a sudden now it's like, because Jesse fud up that it's like these girls don't have her back, but, like, they weren't like, bonding.

[Natalie]

But then again, what is the definition of a girl's girl?

[Connor]

I don't know, but I'd love to stop hearing it.

[Natalie]

It'd be same, same. And again, I'm a judgy motherfucker. I keep my circles small. I am loyal to my small group of friends. Just own that. Just own the fact that, like, they are a clicky group that, like, doesn't fuck with most people. And if you're not one of us, we're not going to. And fine. Don't all season long self identify yourself as, like, usually for the girlies, you.

[Dylan]

Know, I think this has less to do with what has happened all season and more of, like, what happened at this reunion. Because it has been how many months since they stopped filming? Like, they've all gone on, you know, Ciara's been on watch what happens live. Lexi's done her podcast tour. Jesse's like, they've all gone out and promoted this season of Summer House and talked about some storylines of what happened. But they had a chance to come to this reunion and be like, you know, we love Jesse. We're team Jesse, but we don't support the cheating. And they didn't do that. They, like, made it like, it was so fucking funny that he was in that room with all these naked people, like, getting his toe sucked while Lexi's sitting there being like. And the back and forth between Sierra and Jesse of like, Like, I don't want to fuck Jesse. He's like, come on, Sierra. She's like, shut the up. And he's like, sierra, your hair looks so good. Like, it was just so disrespectful on so many levels of, like, you're doing that in front of this girl who clearly is like, upset about what happened in her relationship with this man. And you have just, like, no consciousness of that whatsoever.

[Natalie]

Leaning into the sexual chemistry of your platonic friendship is the most. While that. While your friend is, like, pursuing a relationship with someone else, someone who is in the same industry as you, who, like, many people could see as, like, someone you might want to compete with subconsciously, is the most pick me energy ever. How can anyone disagree with that? And I'm just. And that's fine. But, like. And listen, I've. I've been a pick me before. I've done things for attention, but it's just the way they all act as if they are incapable of that type of behavior, and they're so critical of other people who give that type of behavior.

[Dylan]

Wait, so what did y' all think of the reunion? Those were our thoughts. What'd y' all think?

[Sierra]

I enjoyed it. I. I love seeing people, like, they are mean girls.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Sierra]

They're reality TV stars. They're mean girls. And I love to see. And I personally enjoy it.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

That's the thing. Like, I. That's why I'm like, I'm not mad at Paige or Sierra or Amanda for, like, madam being mean about it. Like, I'm like, yeah, give me more of it. It's creating good storylines and things lean in. Be worse.

[Natalie]

What I love about Paige.

[Sierra]

Lean into your worst tendencies is that.

[Natalie]

She thinks she's better than most people and she is. Backs it up.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, I just would like her to own that aspect a little more often.

[Sierra]

I love it when people are unselfaware on tv. It makes for great television. And so I'm just seated watching them all, like, be dumb. It's great. That's my take on the reunion. And I think Jesse's a loser.

[Emma]

Well, but I.

[Sierra]

But he's a very charming, affable loser that I would want to hang out with.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I mean, he's. He's very charming and fun. I get why they want to be friends with them. I get why they're this more like, you know what? We need a couple fun guys in our group, and we already have hot women. And, like, we don't need a. A young girl who's still figuring her house out. Lexi's so, like, us seven years ago. Like, we don't have time for. I get it. I think the thing with mean Girl.

[Sierra]

I think the thing with. What really entertains me about the dynamic is that Jesse, like, Jesse's friendship with these women is so, to me, it reads. And maybe this is like. This is just my take on it. Of, like, they do not respect Jesse. They just find him entertaining and funny, and he's like their little plaything. Like, that's how, like, for Ciara, he's her little plaything, and she's not, like, respecting him in that way of, like, no, I'm not gonna fuck you. Like, I. You are just for my entertainment and enjoyment because I know you will flirt with me and give me attention. I'm gonna give it back to you because it's fun. And so then. And I think to her, she's probably like, that's obvious. And then for Lexi, Lexi's like, well, wait, what the fuck is going on here? Because she doesn't have that, like, set dynamic. So obviously she's really upset about it. But then to Sierra, she's like, why are you mad? Like, I'm not. That's not what this is. But then I don't. I don't think that Lexi is wrong to feel that way.

[Natalie]

But it's just like, Sierra acting as if Lexi has no reason to be upset is the most delusional thing I've seen given just, she's. The fact that we still talked about her and West a year later. Yeah, it's crazy. It was honestly fascinating, though. Sierra talking about her family dynamic and talking about her mom and how her mom is, per Sierra's pov, like, has a history of dating men unworthy of her, and it just seemed kind of ironic.

[Sierra]

I don't know. I felt for her in that moment.

[Dylan]

That's.

[Natalie]

I know. I totally felt for her. It was just more like.

[Dylan]

I mean, Andy asked the question, like, do you think that's played a role in, like, the. Your dating choices? And she was like, yeah, absolutely.

[Natalie]

But. But her answer was, yeah, that's why I'm more Cyrier. Sees herself as incredibly picky and. And, like, has high standard. The men she dates suggests otherwise.

[Dylan]

I mean, Austin and West are definitely way below her. What she could get.

[Connor]

That's like. Wes did come to the reunion with an apology prepared. So it's not like he didn't know that this was going to be brought up again either.

[Dylan]

He did. And then he was like, I thought.

[Natalie]

He had on himself pretty well.

[Dylan]

I think he did great. And then I think when Sierra was like, if you can talk to the press, you can talk to me. And it was like, oh, and we're bringing it back up again. We're still not over the press. Like, all right, let's go.

[Connor]

Like, I feel like that they're like, on a. On a road for healing because at least she was able to have conversations and, And. And actually talk to.

[Sierra]

She said his hair looks better.

[Dylan]

No, I totally think that, like, they needed to do that. That was great for them. I just think it was hypocritical for her to, like, still want to push that into west, but not have any sympathy of Lexi with her man cheating on her in the house. Like, just thinking, it's so funny.

[Connor]

Well, I feel. I felt bad for Lexi when everybody was laughing, because obviously Andy made a point to point out the only person not laughing is Lexi. I'm like, I do think that the way that the conversation of Togate and even the name Togate being brought up, it's kind of like one of those things where it's like, I'm sure it's been a joke.

[Natalie]

Oh, it's so silly.

[Connor]

Running throughout. So I'm like. At the same time, I don't think anybody was thinking about Lexi's feelings or trying to make her feel bad, but I'm like, the entire situation is just so batshit. You went into a room for 37 minutes. Got your toes.

[Dylan]

No, it's a slap in the face to everyone watching the show. Like, we're not this fucking stupid. Like, like an emeril being. Like, I have no reason to lie him.

[Natalie]

Like, bro, your job's on the line.

[Dylan]

Come on.

[Connor]

He came in at the end, he was laying. They were all just naked, but just like, having casual conversation. And you decided to lay on the bed.

[Natalie]

It's just that Lexi showed up. We didn't know anything about her.

[Dylan]

It's also a double. A double size bed. Like, four people sitting on, fitting on this. Like, you're getting cozy. You're close to a boob regardless.

[Sierra]

What is that nursery rhyme that's like, there? If we in the bed and the little one said, roll over. Somebody did that.

[Natalie]

Lexi is this young woman who demonstrates. Demonstrates the type of qualities that all these women should want to get behind. She is poised. She seems to, like, know her self worth. She, like, speaks up for herself. She has a strong will. She came on our show and conducted herself wonderfully. She's done. She's been gracious. Like, she doesn't seem to be all that messy, yet she speaks her truth. She'll stand up for herself. I don't think that's messy. And it's just the fact that those qualities are the qualities that these women seem to. To dislike. I just find to be fascinating and kind of hypocritical. Like, it's just such an eye roll for them to, like, identify themselves as a girl's girl when they're more, pick me. I do believe Craig never bought that engagement ring.

[Dylan]

Greg definitely never bought that engagement ring.

[Natalie]

No, I absolutely believe Paige there.

[Connor]

We had to pause it because Connor's.

[Natalie]

Like, what do you.

[Connor]

What do they mean? And I'm like, because when you buy a ring, it's already gonna, like, depreciate the second you step out of the store. Because it's custom. If it's exactly what Paige wants. Paige doesn't want a manufactured, like, standard ring. She's gonna want, like, something engraved in it. This is my diamonds. I want the baguettes. Like, you can't return that and be like, well, you could sell this under Craig's used.

[Dylan]

What I need. I need to know the place when he's like, I took it back to the guy this morning. Who's the guy?

[Connor]

Who's the guy?

[Dylan]

Can I vouch for that?

[Sierra]

Name him.

[Dana]

No.

[Dylan]

Like, I need this guy to be like, oh, yeah, here's the ring. Like, yeah, Craig. Like, that's we and where is he?

[Connor]

Even when she said the whole, like, you took your girlfriend to return my ring? I was like, well, you know, she don't.

[Natalie]

Well, also, like, when. When you get broken up with, you know, maybe there's not an engagement ring on the line, but that's a very common thing to be like, well, I guess I should just return this thing I got you.

[Connor]

You know, like the last ditch effort.

[Natalie]

It's a very, like, did you want.

[Dylan]

This Birkin, or do I need to return it today?

[Natalie]

That happens all the time in a breakup.

[Connor]

Connor couldn't understand the concept. He was like, wait, so is he. Is he saying that if she saw the ring that she would stay, like, get married to him? And I was like, yes. That is the delusional statement that is being made right now.

[Dylan]

Yeah. Him being like, I wish you would.

[Connor]

Have seen the ring first before you decide to.

[Sierra]

You know who we need? We need Emma. We need Lisa Barlow and Bronwyn's jeweler from Salt Lake City. She would definitely get to the bottom of this.

[Dylan]

That means a bit. She would definitely be like, yep, never seen him.

[Connor]

He's never been here before.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I wouldn't put it past Craig to find a jeweler to corroborate his story. Even if it was made up.

[Connor]

Honestly.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Even, like, when they replayed the what happens live thing, I was like, just the way that it was just like, yeah, no, I Just went to the and returned it. I was like, no, you did not.

[Dylan]

Oh, yeah, the body language. I just chilly return it this morning. Yeah.

[Connor]

Tell me you're uncomfortable. You're lying.

[Sierra]

My question, where does Craig go from here on Southern Charm? Like, every. Like, I feel like everyone already knew he was a liar, but now everyone really just knows.

[Dylan]

Oh, I'm sure they're not gonna trust.

[Sierra]

A single word that comes out of that man's mouth.

[Natalie]

They're a storyteller through this.

[Katie]

He's a storyteller.

[Natalie]

I just find what's fascinating about Summer House is that, again, I would say Lexi west and Jesse, they represent what Summer House is supposed to be. And honestly, everyone in this OG cast, I'm, you know, find a new job.

[Dylan]

I'll.

[Connor]

I'll follow that show. And then, yeah, they should bring in new young people that want to be messy, that want to hook up in a house. Like, even to Kyle's point about Emeril, he was like, that is kind of what the whole point of a Summer.

[Dylan]

House Summer share is. But it just felt weird because no one else was doing it, so it felt like, the fuck is Emeril doing here? Like, ew, gross. We don't do that because it's like, we've been, like, with these people who aren't doing that for so long.

[Connor]

And the irony of it all, too, is that it's like, in the first season, how we meet Amanda is because Kyle sneaks Amanda into the house, and they go, like, skinny dipping, and they're having sex, and it's just like, it's waking up everybody in the house, and it's just like, you guys were Emerl.

[Sierra]

Season one justice for Emerl. That's all I have to say.

[Natalie]

He seems like a sweet man. He does.

[Dylan]

Also, Nick pointed this out, but the fact that Lexi, the new girl, was the only one to be like, we could have done better. Like, we could have asked you more questions. Questions.

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

That was crazy.

[Dylan]

Yeah, that was telling. That, like, no one else who'd been there, not even Kyle, his buddy, could have been like, yeah, bro. Like, I definitely could have helped you, like, navigate some relationships a little bit better. No one else said anything, but, like.

[Natalie]

They, like, they basically casted three new people because they felt like they didn't want to do their jobs anymore and decided to be a bunch of dicks to this new cast. Like, that. That was the theme of the season. It's just like, we're gonna. We're gonna cast a bunch of people. We're not friends with and use them and throw them out like trash when we're done of them.

[Dylan]

What?

[Connor]

I mean, that's a take.

[Dylan]

Wait, what?

[Natalie]

Like, the original cast, they casted Emeril, Lexi and Bailey and like, they used them. They used them for, like, the stuff they weren't willing to do and threw them to the side, threw them to the wayside.

[Dylan]

Who used them?

[Natalie]

Producers, The OG cast, this group of people. How did they use Amanda? Like, we know Amanda. Like, per. Lexi was the one who was like, hey, do you want to come on the show? I guess Kyle is the one who knew Emerald. Like, they found the. You know, they found these people and asked him, hey, do you want to be a part of the show with no real interest in becoming friends with these people or connecting with these people?

[Connor]

But even when Alex Baskin was here, he was saying that, like, when they're recasting a show, they typically go to the cast and ask if you have any recommendations.

[Natalie]

But that, like, I guess what I'm saying, it's just like, they didn't cast people they wanted to become friends with, to bring into the group to, like, round the.

[Dylan]

They didn't bring, like, Paige's best friend from home or like, someone that they were actually friends with. Like, this was clearly Amanda and Lexi weren't. Weren't but friends. Like, they were people. They had. They'd had. They've gone to lunch before, grabbed a coffee. But, like, to Lexi's point, when Amanda's sitting there being like, oh, my God, I always wanted them. Like, I just need them to hook up. Knowing that your friend Lexi is dating this man is like, yeah, I agree.

[Sierra]

I. I do agree with you guys on that. I think they. They definitely, like, set the two of them up to kind of just be the fall guy for the season when they are all kind of like, past.

[Natalie]

I mean, if I watch next season and Sierra's still complaining about Wesson turning off it off, it's like, I think.

[Sierra]

By next season that's fair. I think this season. I think this season it was like, well, yeah, there's going to be a blowout from it. Their dynamic has changed. She's going to have feelings about it. The reunion, I think is just like a. We're going to talk about it at the reunion, get that closure, and then I don't want to hear about it anymore.

[Natalie]

But we did talk about it all season. I'm just. Are you convinced it's not going to happen?

[Sierra]

I'm not convinced it's not going to happen. I'm just saying I hope it doesn't. I was agreeing with you, actually.

[Natalie]

Progress. Anything else before we want to move on to Breen, I just want to.

[Sierra]

Say I thought we were all going to dress in like, summer florals today.

[Emma]

I'm wearing greens.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

That's true.

[Connor]

I wear a light color.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Natalie]

I dressed for our next interview.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I just kind of feel like a clown.

[Dylan]

But he kind of is giving. He's kind of giving like forest.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, I'm giving. I'm giving like, I'm giving. It's after Memorial Day and I'm ready for summer pant.

[Sierra]

Yeah, no, you guys are all giving, like, classy, classy summertime entrance. And I'm.

[Dylan]

You can't wear white afterlife Labor Day.

[Natalie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dylan]

This was Memorial Day.

[Natalie]

And that's why I'm wearing my pants.

[Dylan]

I think you said that wrong. Run it back.

[Natalie]

Anyway, is up next the star of Ginny in Georgia, Bri and Howie, who we get to chat with. She is, well, very talented actress who does an incredible southern accent. So incredible that I really. I did. I was kind of a bit taken back when I realized that was a fake accent. Anyways, she is a. Also just a great person. And we can talk her about mother. Her acting career, how it's kind of. It's blown up. A fun conversation with Brianne and her love for reality TV. Jenny and Georgia Season 3 premieres this Thursday on Netflix. Check it out. I'm sure many of you are big fans and you are well aware of it. It's a really great show. It's fun. If you haven't checked it out and you like a kind of. How would you describe it? It's.

[Dylan]

It's like mystery murder mystery.

[Sierra]

Gilmore Girls with murder.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. High stakes in like an unsuspected badass lead that she plays. Who's a little messy. Yeah. You know, a little problematic.

[Connor]

You root for her, but you know that you probably shouldn't. But then like, you do, because if you were in that situation, what would you feel?

[Natalie]

It's got a little Breaking Bad element to it. Yeah, it's fun. Anyways, Brianne Howey, if you're running a business, you know that every time you miss a call, you are leaving money on the table. When every customer conversation matters, you need a phone system that keeps up and helps you stay connected 247 7. That's why you need Open Phone.

[Dylan]

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[Natalie]

Hi, how are you?

[Nick]

I'm wonderful. Thank you so much for having me. So nice to meet you.

[Dylan]

Have you. Oh my gosh.

[Natalie]

Yeah. We're so excited. Been big fans. Huge fans of Ginny and Georgia.

[Nick]

My God, thank you.

[Natalie]

It's such a fascinating show because the character you play is so dynamic.

[Nick]

Sure is.

[Natalie]

First of all, like as a young mother yourself, it's a kind of weird question you have. People often ask, like, how do you relate to your character? I imagine a lot of way you don't relate to your character.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, especially because like I was playing mom roles before I was a mom. So it was more just like relating to it in the sense of like I have four younger siblings. They're my whole world. I would do anything for them. So that was like the closest I could get. But then, yeah, now I am actually a mom, so it's very different.

[Dylan]

Do you feel like you're like, you act maybe a little bit better because you are now a mom?

[Nick]

You know what happened? And I think, okay, so look, my daughter is, she'll be two in a month. So we're still like, I mean, not totally beginning phases, but like, she's still very little. I just felt like I was such a SAP. Like, I just felt like I was so weepy all season and, like, that I was like, God damn it, Brienne. Like, no, no, no, that wasn't the move. Like, so hopefully that will change. I think it was just like, the first year going back at it, like, just back to work and everything. But I. I felt like it made me too soft, almost interesting, which isn't great.

[Dylan]

Like, everything is too relatable.

[Katie]

Almost.

[Nick]

Like some of the stuff for this upcoming season, it gets so dark. In my opinion. Again, I was maybe too sensitive this past season. I mean, it broke my heart.

[Natalie]

She murders people.

[Nick]

Yes. Yes. And, like, yeah, wait till you see. Yeah. Like, halfway through this season, everything that goes on. I mean, Georgia, like, all of the consequences come to the surface this season. Like, she gets in a lot of trouble.

[Natalie]

So one thing I was curious about because, like, obviously. Well, we're hoping you don't relate much to your character. Um, but, you know, as a new parent myself, there is, like. And maybe it's a dad thing, I imagine now, you know, Natalie has some real, like, impressive, like, mama line energy, you know, very protective of her family.

[Nick]

Absolutely.

[Natalie]

And I wondered if, like, while you don't obviously relate to some of Georgia's antics, there must be an element of, like, the way she goes about protecting her family and surviving in a way that obviously, as a good human being, you would never do. But is there ever an element when you're playing the character where you at least appreciate her resiliency and just, like, how she's. You know, she really will, at the end of the day, protect her family.

[Nick]

Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, I like, first and foremost, of course, Georgia is very polarizing. But, like, as someone playing Georgia, I would never judge her, like, in no way, shape or form. Yeah, I have to. I love her and respect her. All of her shortcomings are only because she has a very limited toolbox. But I admire the amount of space she takes up. Like, I feel like, who knows what I could have accomplished if I took up that much space all the time for my whole life. So I love that about her. And I love, like, the first. When I read the. The pilot for the first time, it was the scene where she, like, punches the kid in the face. Well, she doesn't really punch him. Like, she twists his nose a little bit and, like, the. You know, her son punches him. But, like, I went a little far.

[Dylan]

For sure.

[Nick]

For sure. But, like, I've had with My siblings told me someone was mean to them at school or something. The rage I feel inside. And I can only imagine, once my daughter's old enough.

[Dylan]

Oh, me at the park with my 15 month old.

[Katie]

I.

[Dylan]

There will be, I don't know what it is about 6, 7 year old who just, they think she's so disgusting and will like run from her being like, ew.

[Nick]

But they're like, baby, baby.

[Dylan]

This little boy tried to like hit her with the swing and it took everything out of me not to assault.

[Nick]

A child, you know, like in like.

[Dylan]

The most respectful way possible, of course, but like his parents were on their phone, like not paying attention and I'm like, your kid is a terror on this playground. So I get.

[Nick]

Unfortunately, in those moments, we can't do what Georgia would do.

[Dylan]

Exactly. Has there been anything that you've taken from your character parenting wise and related to your real life daughter?

[Nick]

You know, I mean, probably only. Only bad things, unfortunately. Like I, before I was a mom, I thought like the most annoying thing about Georgia was how all over Ginny she was and she's always in her space and like the entitlement that she expects to know everything about Ginny. I, I was like, like, I mean, that's, it's crossing a line. This is toxic. Blah, blah, blah. But now that I have an almost two year old, I'm like, nope, she's going to go to ucla. We're going to have lunch every day. She's going to tell me everything I need to know. I need to know everything. No. Yeah.

[Dylan]

I'm going to go to bed. Reading her text messages. 100%.

[Nick]

She's not allowed to go do. No.

[Natalie]

I think before. Yeah, we're parents. It's, it's very easy to like, talk about what you would never do when you see other parents crossing boundaries and then you're in it, you're just like, like.

[Nick]

Well, I'm like, of course she's going to watch Elmo right now. What are you talking about? Of course we're doing screen time. And before I'm like, no, we will never have a phone out ever. Ever. And now I'm like, queue up, Miss Rachel. It's time.

[Dylan]

Get the iPad.

[Nick]

Yeah. And now she goes, iPad. And I'm like, oh, no, no.

[Natalie]

I imagine when you like do go into season one, obviously, like the acting space is highly competitive and I think, you know, as a, you're always as happy to like book the job, right?

[Nick]

Yes.

[Natalie]

And then you get picked up for a season two. And I'm sure You utmost respect for the writers in the room and things like that. But as a character on the show, as a season matures, is there a balance between the writers going to you and getting your input about the character, or are you very much like, hey, that's their lane. I'll stay in mine. How does that dynamic work as a show matures?

[Nick]

Yeah, it's an interesting point because it's also like, this will be my first time going into a fourth season. Like, doing our third season. That was my first time doing a third season of anything. Yeah. So you can't anticipate where these things are going or where the story's going. Especially. I tend to stay in my lane. I appreciate. I think it's real. Every now and then, they will ask, of course, and maybe on other shows, it is a little bit more of a collaboration at times, but I think for us with Ginny and Georgia, it's so specific. Especially, like, with Georgia and her cadence. I love the way that they write for Georgia. It's so beautiful. So for the most part, I pretty much. They. They've gotten us this far. I really just trust them, and I am impressed. And I don't know how they come up with this stuff. Our creator and writer's room is amazing.

[Dylan]

Are you the type of actor who, like, do you want to watch it back? No. You don't?

[Nick]

No, I do, because I think it's so important and, like, we have to, you know, come talk about the show. And like, you, it's nice to know you do so many different versions, so many different takes. It's fun to see, of course, how it all shakes out, but I, for sure, I still struggle with being objective. I don't know how people do that. It's so hard. I'll still be like, oh, I wish I did it this way, or, why'd they choose that take? Or, I'm holding that thing, or, like, whatever. I don't know for sure.

[Natalie]

How did you prepare to play a character like Georgia?

[Nick]

So, I mean, this is where I feel lucky that, like, there is so, like, I grew up with a young single mom. It just was kind of kismet. There's so much of my mom and her energy in this character. Like, I feel like I kind of grew up as Ginny a little bit. Like, my mom had me at 21. We didn't have any boundaries, so so much of what was on the page I could relate to. It just wasn't. I think a lot of what was jarring, jarring in Ginny And Georgia just wasn't that jarring for me, I think, because, like, I have had some of those conversations, and I have so many younger siblings. Both my parents remarried and had more, so I have half siblings, but we have larger age gaps. So then I've always sort of felt like an aunt to them also, in a way, somehow it was just kind of natural.

[Dylan]

Okay, do you do any sort of character study? Maybe even, like, you did it in the beginning, but do you, like, refresh or do you feel like, you know, George, Georgia to her bones?

[Nick]

Definitely. Like, with each season, of course, there's more confidence. Like, for season one, we definitely had so many conversations with our creator that, like, we wanted Georgia to feel like, you know, she was kind of. She's the anti hero a little bit. Like, there's a little Tony Soprano in there. There's a little bit of Walt from Breaking Bad. There's a little bit of Mary Louise Parker from Weeds. And we wanted that she was. She's kind of a collaboration of all these things. And that when George is big mad, she's the Hulk. And that's when we get to scary Georgia. So we do, like, I guess we did kind of color in all the different versions of Georgia because she also takes so many, like, hard right turns. So it's like we're jumping from, like, scary Georgia to, like, oh, goofy Georgia to, like, flirty Georgia. And then also, depending on who George is talking to, she's a very different person depending on all the men in her life. Like, she responds and acts very differently with all of them and has a different mask on. So season one. Yeah, we actually got more specific in that way, talking about the character.

[Dylan]

I.

[Nick]

And then it. Yeah. With each season getting, like, the luxury of getting to go back, it stays in you a lot longer, I think, than I anticipated.

[Natalie]

Now that George is in court. I. I read. Are you a fan of true crime?

[Nick]

Sure am.

[Natalie]

Were you able to pull from any, like, court cases that you followed or. Or just try to, like, emulate again? Just, like.

[Dana]

I know, right?

[Dylan]

The.

[Nick]

I'm gonna forget the name now, but while we were shooting, I mean, are you guys big true crime people? Do you remember the case?

[Natalie]

Natalie's huge.

[Nick]

Okay. The woman. It's like the Boston police and re. Yes.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Dylan]

Gone right now. Second trial.

[Nick]

Is it right now?

[Dylan]

Yes, right now.

[Nick]

You guys, I'm so behind. Okay.

[Natalie]

She. She introduced me to it, like, the other day.

[Dylan]

We've been fighting non stop about it because he's, like, not on my side anymore.

[Natalie]

No. No, first, I was totally on her side. At first, I was like, oh, no. Like, I've definitely seen a Departed. These cops are crooked. Like, she definitely didn't do it. But then the more I watched, I'm just like.

[Nick]

I know.

[Dylan]

I thought it crazy how, like, I have gotten so many DMs from locals, really. And they're like hairdressers, and they know the tea. And they're like, she's definitely being framed.

[Nick]

See, that was my first instinct, and that's what got me. Okay. Which is the perfect segue into Georgia, that the Karen Reid trial was happening. And in my mind, I was like, Georgia would act like she was being framed, too, for all of this. 100%. Like, that's exactly what Georgia would do.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So watching the trailer kind of reminded me a little Karen Reed a little bit, where it's like, this very likable, very charming defendant who you want to. You want to believe her.

[Nick]

Well, and she. And, like, she knows what she's doing with her storytelling and, like, the way she. I don't know. All of. All of the moves she was making were intentional in the way you dress and the way you act and the way you lean into the jury.

[Dylan]

And did you learn a lot about, like, the court system for. I mean, I'm sure.

[Nick]

Yeah, a little bit. I mean, we did that. Yeah. You know, you do the scene so many times, you start.

[Dylan]

Start to figure it out, but it is crazy. I feel like watching this Karen Reed trial. Yeah. There's a lot of, like, you know, don't sit like this. Don't smile. But also maybe smile a little bit so that you don't look like such a. But not so much that you're happy that, you know, it's like, I feel like there's a lot of.

[Nick]

There's a lot to think about, like.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, who's Your body language, how you're being perceived.

[Nick]

Totally.

[Natalie]

There's so many subtleties about. And I learned that being on reality tv, where you're like, oh, my God. God. Like, you. When. When there's a camera on you 24 7, just, like, picking up every little cork that you have or just, like, your resting face.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And just how, like, unfortunate that can be and how useful it is to an editor. Yes. You're just like.

[Nick]

Yeah. Do you still feel like, have. Were you able to shake it?

[Natalie]

Yeah. I mean, I. I mean, my. I guess, for better or worse, my gift was always just, I guess, being like, oh, this is who I am.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Natalie]

Like, it's nothing I can do about it. But it was just more eye opening, you know? Like, I suppose as an actor, you get used to seeing yourself on camera playing a role, but before that, I just was like, I wouldn't listen to myself on a voicemail recording.

[Nick]

So those were the days, right? And that's the only time you would hear your voice back. And you're like, that's what I sound like. I remember that.

[Natalie]

It was such a weird thing. And then I'm watching it back, leaving me like, oh, my. I've never met this person. Like, oh, my. Ew. I hate them, too.

[Dylan]

Has your heart husband watched, didn't he?

[Nick]

Oh, of course.

[Dylan]

Yeah, he does.

[Nick]

That was my first hint that maybe the show was going to go somewhere, because Netflix put it in our account before it gets released. And it was season one. And I told him, I was like, all right, it's in our account. I was like, I'm going to go watch. I'm going to go watch some. And he was like, okay, I'll watch with you. And in my head, I'm like, all right, I'll stick around for one. He watched four in a row with me, and I was like, you don't have to watch this. He's like, no. Like, let's watch the next one. Like, what happens next? And I was like, oh, my God, we might be onto something.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, there is something about. You mentioned the, you know, Walter, and, like, there's the anti hero. There's something about. About those types of characters that we love, because we may not be Georgia, we may not be Walter, but we all are imperfect people who do a.

[Nick]

Little better, do things that we're not.

[Natalie]

Proud of, but, like, we want to believe that we're noble, good people, and for the most part, we are. And I think sometimes watching those complicated characters that we still want to root for, there's something to relate to, even though maybe we're not relating to the right.

[Nick]

I think, too, it's like people who can be victims of circumstance or feel like they fell through the cracks, you root for them in a different way because you really feel like it's their fault and, like, limitations that Georgia has and that all of us have, to an extent, isn't our fault. Granted, it's important to work on them, and I think that's what this season does really well. It's like, okay, we're very aware now of every character shortcomings and, like, what are we going to do about it, guys? So we. We finally start to see that this season, which is really cool. But I think. Because I think she's relatable in a lot to a lot of people in that way because she is so far from perfect.

[Natalie]

We love a good meet cute story. How. How did you meet your husband?

[Nick]

So Matt and I met. How does this story go? It was a while ago now. It was like nine years ago. Okay. I went to nyu. Matt went to New School. We were. We're both from Southern California. I grew up in Pasadena. He grew up in Santa Monica. We both are in New York at the same time. Never meet, both finish school, come back to la. I start hanging out with his New York friends just through mutual friends and like, just having a fun kind of like party summer. It's the end of the summer. Matt appears out of nowhere, out with his friends. And I'm like, who are you and where have you been? He was studying to take the bar. So he just went MIA for that summer. But he finally took it, then started like going back out again. Had a social life. I was with all of his friends. We ran into each other four nights in a row and have been together ever since then, basically. But when we got married, it wasn't until we were each saying our vows that he said in his vows that out of the four times we met, the. The final two, he found out where I was. They were not on accident. And this whole time I thought it was like very serendipitous and like, I can't believe we ran into each other, each other four nights in a row out and about in la.

[Natalie]

I mean, your, your wedding's a good time. It's a safe place to admit. You stop. You know, it's like, you know, I don't know when a good time is going to be, but, like, what was your reaction?

[Nick]

I was like just crying and laughing. It was. I felt silly, actually. I more just felt silly. I was like, of course he did. Why did I think it was completely random four nights in a row?

[Dylan]

I have to go apologize to the cash register Nelson's that I was telling.

[Nick]

I have told that story maybe 17 times, very publicly, of course, but now we have the correct version.

[Dylan]

Okay, thank God. What is your. We have daughters in the same almost age. What like, phase is she in right now?

[Nick]

I mean, this girl is like running, monologuing. She's new sentences every day. She is just a sponge. She's very independent attendant. She was like, like, if I. If she's doing something and doesn't want to be interrupted, she'll be like, no, no mama dare. Like she doesn't want you coming close to her to like, I don't know, bother her, touch her, even like let her do it. She wants to like go up and down the stairs by herself picking out her clothes.

[Dylan]

Oh really?

[Nick]

I mean, and I'll just give her like two options, right? Like yeah, this shirt or this shirt.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

She loves counting. She can count up to 15, but she will always skip four through seven. Don't know, like we hate those. I don't know. She loves going to the, the her little baby gym. Like she like loves doing like somersaults and stuff. She still needs help but like we went to the Getty on Sunday and there were kids like doing like, like 10 year old girls like doing cartwheels and stuff. And then she goes and like tries to legit do these somersaults and she just goes into like a, a yoga pose, kind of like downward dog and then falls to the right.

[Natalie]

Perfect.

[Nick]

But it's very sweet and cute.

[Dylan]

How are her? Like, is she a tantrum? Kind of. How are we handling those? We're entering our tantrum.

[Nick]

Entering that ph would just start saying no sooner.

[Dylan]

We did.

[Nick]

We didn't really, we haven't, didn't use a lot of no's at first because I don't know, you want them to explore and it's so exciting and they learn something new and you want to try something different to be fun. Like one time we ate dinner outside and then now it's like outside dinner. And like every night I'm like, well we can't eat dinner outside every night. I don't want to cave all the time. But then you kind of just cave.

[Dylan]

I read some quote that was like, only say no if it's day dangerous to like them or someone else. I've been thinking about that, but then.

[Nick]

It'S not that bad. But then I'm like, now she's kind of running the house.

[Natalie]

That's the thing about the Internet. Sometimes you really gotta be careful whether it's getting your Karen Reed news or, or like parenting advice because like anything can sound good if, if worded correctly.

[Dylan]

It was like a nice soothing voice.

[Nick]

Well, and you know what? I think the, the one thing that's working instead of like just saying the same thing 19 times like it's bath time, it's bath time, it's bath time. She's like, no, no, no. It's like, do you wanna be, be a shark? Yeah, let's go be sharks.

[Dylan]

Like what have You.

[Nick]

That's working the most.

[Dylan]

Wait, that's a great question.

[Nick]

Rebranding.

[Dylan]

What? Yes. What is, like, what is your favorite toddler rebrand?

[Nick]

Yeah, that's like, I saw. And I actually. Okay, I did see this on Instagram, which is embarrassing, but it was like, some woman said to get her kid, her toddler to eat fish. She called it beach chicken. And then the kid was like, I want beach chicken. And I was like, that's genius. It's all rebranding closer to the toddler age, but it's just rebranding. And it's like, Sandy. Yeah. And, like, brushing her teeth. I'm like, let's get the.

[Dylan]

Like, my sister used to call them sugar bugs.

[Nick]

Yeah, exactly. Let's get the bugs out. Or, like, she has a really fun toothbrush. Or, like. And, like, people have told me, like, when it comes time to potty train, like, just cave and get the, like, Barbie underwear or whatever they want. That's exciting. Like, whatever. Fine.

[Natalie]

As a second oldest of 11, I grew up watching a lot of. Of Disney programming, and then I haven't in quite some time. I've been rewatching a lot of.

[Nick]

Oh, yes.

[Natalie]

Old Disney movies. Is that something that you guys relate to? And have you found that any of them don't hold up?

[Nick]

Like, I mean, she loves Little Mermaid. The thing about her is, like, I mean, she's obsessed with Moana. I've only seen, though, the first, like, 12 minutes, but, like, 19 times. She only likes it when she's a baby. Like, she only wants to watch baby Moana. And we went. We were. We took a flight most recently, so actually. And Moana was on the plane, and it was the first time we made it a little bit deeper in, but I was like, it's kind of scary. Halfway through, like, some crazy stuff happens.

[Dylan]

I feel like most of them are scary, and it's.

[Natalie]

I am confused for the first time in a while. And I was like, I feel too adult.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

What? But I watched Frozen for the first time. Really?

[Dylan]

He cried.

[Nick]

I haven't even watched it yet.

[Dylan]

I honestly, I think I've only watched, like, the first 12 minutes as well, so. But it was just, like, she was no longer paying attention, and Nick was still sitting watching, you know, like, the Sister Bond.

[Natalie]

It was really charmed by that and, like, made me really want to, like, have, you know, a sister forever. I don't know. Was I was. It's. It Movies. Movies get me. You know, I did read. What is it? What was that headline somewhere? Like, people who Cry in movies are apparently smarter or something.

[Katie]

Yes, of course.

[Connor]

Did you just make that up?

[Natalie]

No, it's the group chat.

[Nick]

Note the people who fall asleep watching True Crime as well.

[Dylan]

Yeah, people smart. Smoke a lot of weed.

[Nick]

Also probably very geniuses smart.

[Connor]

It says there's no definitive evidence to suggest that people who cry while watching movies are inherently smarter.

[Nick]

There's evidence. It's just not good.

[Natalie]

It's evidence from the people who do it.

[Dylan]

Is she closer to you or your husband, or are y' all kind of equal?

[Nick]

I mean, look, she's a little bit closer with me, but I also, like, I work a lot and, like, Matt's amazing and, like, he can work from home ever since COVID so I. I would not be able to work at the capacity that I do without him, like, being as hands on as he is. But, you know, of course there's like, for now, we. Yeah, we want mama.

[Natalie]

Did you enjoy when you met Matt, like, the fact that he wasn't in entertainment?

[Nick]

Yeah, for me, it just makes more. I don't know, it just. Yeah, I like the separation of church and state. I think, like, the industry can be so weird, and it's such a bubble and like, you can. Or I could get really in my head about things and.

[Natalie]

Keeps you grounded in a way so much.

[Nick]

Like, it's very nice.

[Natalie]

You have an amazing. In Georgia. Is that something you had to develop or were you always really good at that type of accent?

[Nick]

No, we worked on it. We had a dialect coach season one especially, too. Like, of course, for me. And then also two of the main actors are Australian Felix and Diesel. So Felix plays the cute boyfriend, and then Diesel's George's son or Austin. And then also the Canadians, just for a couple of moms here and there. But no, we had a dialect coach, and that was super helpful.

[Natalie]

Is that fun to do or. Like, for me, I'm so bad at accents. Just. It would just be like such a. It would take up so much brain capacity. I mean, you're already acting. Yeah, it's an already, like a. Yeah.

[Nick]

I would say the one thing, like, I would normally be able to improvise a lot more, but, like, improvising with the accent is a little bit trickier. But kind of going back to what I was saying before, too. Like, the way they write Georgia, the accent is almost built in, like, the cadence. They're so good at it that, like, I hear. Hear the Georgia accent when I'm reading it because I think they write it.

[Dylan]

In, like, is it easy for you to, like, slip it into conversation.

[Nick]

Like, season one, for sure. It was like, I was going through, like, with iambic pentameter and, like, crossing out all the GS and, like, doing the dip thongs and, like, stuff that I learned in college that I thought would never come in handy. And I was. Oh, my God, I'm gonna. I, like, had an old CD from college about, like, tips and tricks, and I was like, I don't even think laptops have. I can't insert a CD anywhere anymore. But. So, yeah, seasons one and two, like, one definitely required the most work. But it's cool. It. It does stick with you. But, yeah, like, I'll also go back and, like, watch or, like, even listen to some country songs. Little Reba. Very timely.

[Natalie]

It says here you're watching the studio.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Natalie]

As someone who works very much in the industry, have you found it to be, like, wonderfully, like, relatable and charming?

[Nick]

Yeah. Are you guys watching it?

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay. The one take where, like, the. When he goes to set.

[Dylan]

Oh, my God, the hardest episode to watch.

[Nick]

I was dying. I have never seen anything so. So relatable and hysterical. And they nailed it.

[Dylan]

They did it.

[Nick]

Just the stakes are so high, like, trying to get the light. Like, making sure you get that magic hour light and in one take. And, like, I mean, the stakes are you have the weight of the world on your shoulders. And they nailed it. I thought it was amazing.

[Natalie]

Have you been able to, like, interact with a lot of executives? Because I feel like what's cool about this show is they do humanize a character in Hollywood that we often don't talk about or get access to so much. So, like, the I love the Golden Galil episode where it was just, like, so good, you know, just like, the.

[Nick]

If I'm not gonna win, of course I'm gonna win.

[Natalie]

The validation, like, his character needed, I just thought was, like, just so relatable, like.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Has there been a moment where you kind of, like, saw yourself in that character of Zoe Kravitz where you're like, I need to not. But maybe I will, but. No, no, I won't, but I think I will.

[Nick]

Honestly, I actually was like, maybe that's the move. Like, maybe that is the move. It's just like, no, no, no, no, no. Of course not. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, it's not about that, because I kind of bought it in the beginning, and I was like, good for her. So I actually kind of admired it. Yeah, maybe that is. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Has there been, like, A highlight or favorite memory of this past month that you've had?

[Nick]

Oh, I mean, actually quite. I've had. This has been a really fun month. I got to go to Beyonce.

[Dylan]

How was Blue Ivy?

[Nick]

I mean, so I have been saying ever since I got pregnant, like, my daughter will never be in the entertainment industry ever, forever. And then watching Blue Ivy on stage with Beyonce, I was crying and I was like, she could do it. She could be an actress if she wants. It's okay. It's fine. It's okay.

[Dylan]

That was a really. I. I don't know if it's. They're doing a documentary or something, but I saw where like the first time she went out blue was. I don't like young. And the response was very negative because she had just kind of like jumped in and she was like, no, I read all those. I've been grinding with these dancers. You could hang every day.

[Nick]

And I don't know how she owned the stage. Like, it was, it was an incredible two and a half hours.

[Dana]

Wow.

[Nick]

It was. I'm so proud of her. Don't know her.

[Dylan]

So proud of her too.

[Natalie]

I mean, what, what is something if, let's say your daughter decided to get into entertainment.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You know, like you're someone who's made a whole career out of it. I don't know you that well, but just gotten to know you seem like a really grounded, like, like, you know, normal, cool person. And I imagine like any parent like yourself who's in entertainment who. Whose initial thought is, I don't know if I want my child to do that. Is that fear of just kind of how delulu like Hollywood can be and how out of touch it's easy to get to, you know, just because it is so. I don't know, it's so self serving. Yeah. It's a bubble and like it's, you know. So what do you think has allowed you to stay grounded, to be, you know, a very relatable normal person, all while also being incredibly successful in the space.

[Nick]

Oh, well, thank you. For an industry that doesn't have, like, there's nothing linear about this. Like you could. Everyone's path is so different and looks so different. I've had a shockingly linear path. Like I started out with one line and then that turned into a couple of lines. Like I didn't really skip any steps and like I went to college and like I felt like I was a little behind when I graduated because everyone I was auditioning against didn't and like had four more years on their resume and, like, of, like, you know, like, hitting the pavement. So I think. Because, yeah, I've, like, kind of had a steady pace. Nothing happened too soon, too fast to honest. Yeah, I think that has kind of helped. And then I've always. Yeah, I've worked, like, pretty steadily this whole time, but Ginny and George is the first thing that, like, took off into. Into the stratosphere in this way. Like, none of the other stuff did. And it's still. I'm so proud of it, and it's amazing. But this is one of the first things that, like, really launched.

[Natalie]

I mean, that's a. That's a good point. I mean, I think, you know, I. For me, I. You know, I didn't go on reality TV until I was in my early 30s. A lot of my peers. It was like, my early 20s.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And I'm honestly, like, really grateful for that, because had I done that 10 years earlier, how I handled myself, I think would have been very different and a lot less healthy, and I would have been a lot less resilient. And. Yeah. Do you. You must feel like, a little bit. That's. Now that you look back, I'm sure there were times early in your career where you, you know, you could pair yourself to someone else and you wish you got this and, oh, you saw someone's, like, star rise faster than yours, but now that you're in the position that you're in. Yeah. I imagine you've been able to almost feel like you've been able to both have. Have, like, this wonderfully cool normal life and then follow, like, fulfill your dreams at the same time.

[Nick]

That's very sweet. Look, I'm still comparing myself to people, of course, but that's a really nice way of framing it. Yeah.

[Natalie]

That being said, do you feel like now kind of you mentioned is like. Do you kind of feel like it's like, you know, it's like, that's now it's kind of getting my time.

[Dana]

Things are popping, like.

[Natalie]

I don't know. Like, I think this is all kind of happening for me, like, a little bit.

[Nick]

Like, it's been a great year. Like, it was really cool to get to go do, like, right before we shot season three, I got to do a movie with Netflix called Kind of Pregnant with Amy Schumer, and an incredible cast was with Happy Madison and Dream.

[Dylan]

Didn't I hear that you used, like, your story.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Yeah. Wow.

[Nick]

And that was all, like, in. None of that was in the script. And Amy called me the night before and was like, let's just up the ante. Let's take this to the next level. Like, would you be willing to talk about your birth story? And I was like, for sure, let's. I mean, I'm very nervous to do this, but, yeah, let's go do this.

[Dylan]

Had that ever been something that you had talked about publicly before?

[Nick]

No. No. No. I know.

[Dylan]

Were you, like, nervous?

[Nick]

Of course. Because also, like, I don't even know how much I've really processed all that still. Probably, like, I guess that's kind of what the movie is about, is that, like, this happens and then you don't process any of it. And, like, it's just. Well, you're just thrown into that. Yeah. But no, especially because, like, I don't know, I remember when I was pregnant, I heard so many scary, scary stories and it freaked me out. And, like, I didn't want. I don't want to, like, perpetuate that for everybody because, like, up until that happened, everything was very smooth. How was your experience?

[Dylan]

Mine was honestly very lovely. I got an epidural and. And I would love to have one of those maybe every Saturday night. Why not? And it. Everything worked out how it should have. And my mom was there recording Nick.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Dylan]

So we. We were able to. To a few days later, a week or so later, once we had, like, come down, be able to look back and watch it back, and we saw that, like, the umbilical cord was very much wrapped around her neck. And like, we didn't know that until a week later. So, like, we were just glad that everything happened the way it did and we were able to be as present as possible. But in one of those videos, it was really sweet. She. They took her to get her, like, nose sucked out or whatever, and she was crying and Nick went over there to her and she just, like, stopped crying and, like, turned her head to him. And it was like she knew his voice and it was the sweetest thing ever.

[Natalie]

It is crazy.

[Nick]

They really do know the voice.

[Natalie]

They know.

[Nick]

They really do.

[Natalie]

Even those. Those moments obviously, like, you know, obviously, complications aside, can make moments like that traumatic and certainly memorable. But, like, it's like some of those, like, life's biggest moments. You anticipate your whole life, whether it was our wedding or the birth of our child, you're like, wait, that just. It's over. It happened. Like, it just goes so surreal because in your head, you imagine it to, like, you think time's going to slow down. You know, you imagine there's going to be, like, A marching band performing, you know, and you're just like, wait, that.

[Nick]

That was over. That was it. That was a little blip.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And it was. I. That was kind of one of my takeaways. Like, oh, that was awesome and magical and amazing. She's here. But like, wait, what just happened?

[Nick]

What happened?

[Natalie]

Like, I thought that that happened already. Like, it was a really crazy experience.

[Nick]

Out of body.

[Dylan]

Is there a moment of your birth that you look back and you are. Obviously there was a lot that happened, but is there moments that you can like, pick and choose from that do make you happy and like, you know, you see. Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, honestly, so many. Like, I like, yeah. I'll never forget her laying on my chest for the first time. I'll never. I mean, I. God, no. I'm gonna cry, you guys.

[Dylan]

No, it's so.

[Nick]

I remember when they did like, they went to go weigh her for the first time and then my mat walked over and looked at her and. And he like put his hand towards her and she gripped it and he just started.

[Katie]

Yes, he.

[Nick]

I've never seen him cry so hard. But also I. She started coming out so fast. He almost missed the whole thing. He went to go get food. He went to go. He went to Xlat across the street. We were at Cedars. He almost missed the whole thing. Cuz it was 25 minutes. Like, it happened very fast. We.

[Dylan]

She was like crowning. And they're like, so your doctor's parking. We'll just keep you there for a moment.

[Nick]

Yeah. But they were like, oh, hold on, she's not here yet. And they're like, and where's Dave? Yeah, I was like, he's getting food. They're like in the cafeteria, right? And I was like, nope, he has left the vicinity.

[Natalie]

That's what I did.

[Nick]

I was like, yeah. He's like, I'm not eating this. He walked in holding tater tots. And they go, dad, grab a leg. And then he was like, what? What, what, what? And I was like, it's happening now. And he's like, they said it was gonna happen in the afternoon. And I was like, it's happening now.

[Dylan]

Wait, but if we just. Can we just look at the top?

[Nick]

And then he's like, do you want a tater tot? And I was like, like, no, it's happening now. We gotta go, we gotta go. But like that, when I think about that, it makes me laugh. Like, that's a sweet moment. And the nurses were so sweet. And one of my nurses had on Real Housewives of Orange County Scrubs, but it was the meme of Taylor with the cat. Have you seen that one?

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Nick]

It was all over her scrubs. And I just felt like it was a sign from the universe. And I was like, you're my girl. And, like, we're meant to do this together.

[Natalie]

What's your favorite housewife franchise?

[Nick]

I mean, probably it's too. Each season is so different. But, like, I thought Beverly Hills was amazing. This season. Oc, like, lost its. Its way, but it's been bad. Like, the last two seasons of O.C. i thought were amazing. And then Salt Lake has always delivered. New York I've always loved, but I wasn't as enthralled with, like, the most recent installments. So it just depends.

[Natalie]

Have you been getting into the Valley?

[Nick]

No, I'm. But only because I'm behind. Okay, I'm going to.

[Dylan]

That one's crazy.

[Natalie]

It's dark. Yeah, it's just dark. It's also awesome.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, dark makes for great reality tv.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's just, you know, maybe it's a new paradigm.

[Nick]

Are there a lot of divorces this season or is just the one two.

[Dylan]

That's Jackson, Brittany and Michelle. And.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's. It's. You know, as a fan of reality TV and being in the season of Life, I really appreciate the Valley. It's sometimes a tough watch because you're like, we cover it. I've been a part of it. I don't think people. And I'm. I. And as. As a host of the show, I don't think. I don't think fans of reality TV fully appreciate what reality stars are willing to do for our entertainment.

[Nick]

Oh, we owe them everything. Everything. I could never do it. Never.

[Natalie]

And so, like, I. I'm trying to find that balance between, you know, like, as. You know, we love to critique and talk about it and use it AS is like a launching pad for conversations about our lives. You know, it's. It's easy to be critical, especially, like, their willingness to show things that you're like. I don't know if I just seems a little wrong, but at the same time, I'm just like, oh, my God.

[Nick]

Thank God people are willing to judge them because they're doing a great service. They are. Truly.

[Dylan]

They really are.

[Katie]

Is there.

[Dylan]

Did you watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Season one?

[Nick]

Of course. I loved it.

[Dylan]

What is your favorite reality? Like, you're sitting at home. You can turn them all on. Which one are you?

[Nick]

I love a book Below Deck.

[Katie]

Really?

[Nick]

I know it's kind of random. I love a below deck. I just love it because it doesn't. Housewives can also get dark and toxic, and we want them, like, a little dark and toxic, but not so much like, I hate it, like, when, like, we have to put people on pause. Like, I miss Dorinda. Like, I don't. But I want everyone to be okay, you know? So below deck is like a nice safe.

[Natalie]

There's a little fantasy to it.

[Nick]

And, like, the hookups are so fun. And you've got the upstairs and the downstairs, and there's new guests every week, and you're going to a beautiful play.

[Dylan]

And those tiny little bunks.

[Nick]

There's always good drum. But it's like, nefarious drama. Like, well, for the most part.

[Connor]

But then when they're super toxic, they get sent off.

[Nick]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Which actually does happen, like, every third episode.

[Dylan]

You're fire. Yeah.

[Nick]

We're like, all right, we're going to.

[Connor]

Sit down at dinner after we just outed your ex husband. Like, okay, let's go.

[Dylan]

Below deck is probably your favorite too, right, Sierra?

[Connor]

No, Summer house.

[Dylan]

Summer house.

[Nick]

I'm behind on that too, but I love summer house.

[Dylan]

Summer house.

[Natalie]

That's good fun. It's relatively. It's not as toxic. I mean, you know, there's.

[Nick]

Do you guys do Southern charm?

[Natalie]

Yeah, we do it all.

[Dylan]

Yes. We were just. We just. And we're. We're in the south. And we walked past a sewing down south storefront.

[Nick]

What are you doing?

[Natalie]

I was.

[Nick]

It looks so big on the show.

[Dylan]

It was huge.

[Natalie]

I was very impressed. Like, I was like, good for you, Craig.

[Nick]

He's really doing it. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, I. It was like a weekday, so it wasn't like a high traffic day.

[Dylan]

But there was, like, there was so many pillows.

[Nick]

Amazing.

[Dylan]

So many. And his face everywhere.

[Nick]

Years ago. So truly, she's still thriving.

[Emma]

He is.

[Katie]

He is still.

[Dylan]

Did you ever watch Southern hospitality?

[Nick]

A little bit, yeah. It didn't. It didn't. I didn't, like, sink my teeth in. In the same way.

[Dylan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I did either. Yeah.

[Natalie]

What was your intro to reality tv?

[Nick]

It was probably like a cupcake wars and. But I also remember watching Real Housewives of Orange county with my mom the first season and her saying that, like, someone she worked with always wanted to live in Coto de casa. And she was like, I've heard about this place. Like, let's go. Like, let's check it out.

[Dylan]

Watch.

[Nick]

So that. And yeah, there's like, early. Early days. What else? Laguna beach, the hills I did a little Survivor.

[Natalie]

Not as much this one show. I've never seen Survivor.

[Dylan]

I've tried to get Nick to watch it so many times.

[Nick]

I don't currently watch, but people are. Oh, my.

[Dylan]

I feel like the OG Seasons.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Dylan]

I mean, as I'm sure, like, most seasons are. But, yeah, OG is definitely really good.

[Nick]

So it's still fun for you to watch reality tv, even though it was such a big part of your life.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I still, like. It's. I'm sure, like, as an actor, when you're watching, you know, I've done a little bit of acting. Even then. I, you know, I. I can watch something now and be like, wow, that was. I mean, before I ever even tried it. You just watched it and you just appreciate the storyline as opposed to being like, that was an amazing performance.

[Nick]

Like, wow.

[Natalie]

Like, that person was acting, and that was great. And with reality tv, there's certainly moments where I either, like, kind of rolling my eyes because it feels a bit forced or staged. I think reality TV in the past used to get away with professional wrestling where they used to pretend it was real, you know, and reality TV used to be like, no, this is. You know, when I was on the Bachelor, they had me go knock on our room, and so they'd had me, like, go to the hotel and get the key. And then I had fans being like, why is that person giving them the key? It's just like, I had a camera.

[Nick]

Probably because I. Yeah, you know, like, come on.

[Natalie]

And I think now fans are more educated about how reality TV is made, and sometimes they get frustrated that networks aren't, like, keeping up with how intelligent fans are getting. And I wish they would, like, break the fourth wall a little bit more because, like, we all know rather than pretending that, like, like, the fake therapy on Bravo just always gets me. Yeah, it's just like, come on.

[Dylan]

Yeah. You know, with our couples therapists or, like, life coach or something.

[Natalie]

Something.

[Dylan]

And it's.

[Nick]

No, I think breaking the fourth wall. You're right. But I also. You kind of bring up a good point that reality TV has changed so much, because one of the other shows that I got so into was 90 Day Fiance.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Did you guys ever do that?

[Connor]

I do that still.

[Nick]

But, like, it's not. What season is it in? I don't know.

[Connor]

Like, I don't know.

[Dylan]

We're in very deep resort. Yeah.

[Connor]

There's, like, part five of a reunion.

[Nick]

But, like, season one truly felt like a documentary, but, like, now it's such A big show. It feels like people are trying to go on it just to like they. Everyone's too self aware now and like it. It changes the feeling for sure.

[Dylan]

That's how definitely Bachelor feels these days. Is like.

[Katie]

It's.

[Nick]

Everyone knows why they're going on. They know what they're going to get out of it. It's less.

[Dylan]

They're all as soon as. Like, let's hear it.

[Nick]

Everyone's pretty close.

[Natalie]

All right.

[Dylan]

She is like, pumping out their TikTok trends, you know, it's very. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, Brianne, before we let you go, I want to play the trailer for season three so the fans can get a little bit of a sneak peek and see what to look forward to from the next season of Ginny and Jordan.

[Nick]

Georgia, you know what I loved about your wedding? It wasn't this cookie cutter, copy and paste affair. It was very memorable. Especially the part where I was arrested. Exactly.

[Dylan]

My mom's awaiting her murder trial and everyone at school is looking at me like I'm in the circus.

[Nick]

It's fun. Your college essay writes itself.

[Natalie]

First to be murder is life without the possibility life. You will be on house arrest, monitored with an ankle bracelet until trial.

[Nick]

Why is it beeping? I'm not running away. I'm in my damn house. It needs to be charged. Oh.

[Natalie]

I cannot believe that this is my life sometimes.

[Nick]

Jillian really needs us right now.

[Dylan]

I'm worried about her. I've always known my mom was different. There's more to her that people don't see.

[Nick]

Everyone thinks I'm a violent, unhinged monster.

[Natalie]

You can't give up.

[Nick]

At least it can't get any worse, right? Except if I go to prison. That would be worse.

[Natalie]

Order.

[Nick]

I'm not a bad person, but if you come face to face with Ben Day, you become a little bad yourself.

[Natalie]

I want to protect me from all this.

[Dylan]

Mom needs me.

[Nick]

You think you have the whole story, but you don't.

[Natalie]

No more secrets.

[Dylan]

I've been defending my mom to everyone.

[Nick]

I am trying so hard to protect her, but I don't even know if it's the right thing to do. I don't want my mom to go to prison.

[Dylan]

Do you think she did this?

[Nick]

We're in this together. Ride or die. Where are we riding and why do we have to die?

[Natalie]

You really look like a badass walking into the courtroom.

[Dylan]

You did.

[Natalie]

I was like, oh. Period.

[Dylan]

The accent is so good.

[Nick]

Oh, thank you.

[Dylan]

Being from the South, I watched.

[Nick]

Where are you from?

[Dylan]

I'm originally from Auburn, Alabama.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Dylan]

And Then lived in Savannah, Georgia, for before I moved here.

[Nick]

So if you have, like, a glass of wine, is it really coming out?

[Dylan]

Oh, no.

[Natalie]

But when she gets on the phone.

[Nick]

With her sisters, I'm like, who is this person?

[Dylan]

Yeah. If. Honestly, if we have, like, a country artist, guest people, and like, the amount of DMs being like, that accent was so insane, it just, like, falls out of me. But it's really good. Sometimes it's hard to watch some people do southern accents, and it feels, of course, very like yours is. It comes off very natural.

[Nick]

Thank you so much. That means a lot coming from you. Thank you.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I was like. I was like, I'm pretty sure this isn't a real voice.

[Nick]

But some after, like, when it first came out and I would send in self tapes, they would think they would be like, oh, no, she could do her regular accent. It's okay. Thinking it was Southern. Like, they'd be like, she doesn't have to put on a neutral American. And they were like, no, this. She's not from the South. Yeah, this is her accent. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, congratulations. Obviously, we're very excited about it. It's a great show, and I'm excited for people to watch season three and come back again.

[Nick]

Thank you so much.

[Dylan]

Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Natalie]

Well, just want to thank you to our guests Katie and Dana from Disrespectfully, as well as Bri and Howie. Tomorrow, don't forget, we have a going deeper with Dakota from the hit show Secret Lies of Mormon Wives. It's got over a billion streams. I mean, that. That show is crushing. That's like 100 million per episode. That's crazy.

[Connor]

I'm three of them.

[Natalie]

Three, Bill, or 103?

[Connor]

Like, I've watched the whole series three times over.

[Natalie]

Well, Dakota obviously a. A some might consider a problematic character.

[Dylan]

Complicated man.

[Natalie]

Complicated man. We get a little backstory, little insight on his relationship with the star. We will see you tomorrow. Bye.