E950 - Love Island USA w/ Belle-A, The Valley, Bachelor in Paradise Cast, Brit Eady’s Lawsuit & Next Gen NYC

Summary

Episode Summary: E950 - Love Island USA w/ Belle-A, The Valley, Bachelor in Paradise Cast, Brit Eady’s Lawsuit & Next Gen NYC

Welcome to a deep dive into Episode E950 of The Viall Files, hosted by Nick Viall alongside co-hosts Natalie Joy and the Household. This episode offers an engaging exploration of the latest happenings in reality television, relationships, and pop culture, featuring a special guest appearance by Bella Dash from Love Island. Here's a comprehensive summary capturing the key discussions, insights, and memorable moments from the episode.

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1. Guest Appearance: Bella Dash from Love Island

[01:10 - 30:05]

The episode kicks off with a special interview featuring Bella Dash, a contestant from Love Island USA, who shares her experiences and insights from the show. Nick and Bella delve into her early exit from the villa, her interactions with fellow contestants, and the dynamics that unfolded during her time on the show.

• Premature Exit: Bella discusses feeling "very small" and "silenced" on the show, emphasizing the challenges of maintaining her boundaries in a competitive reality TV environment.
  “I felt like my voice was very silenced and I wasn't feeling seen.” [30:05]

• Recoupling Drama: The hosts analyze the show's recoupling scenes, particularly focusing on Bella's connections with other contestants. Bella reveals that she had an undeniable chemistry with Taylor, which went unnoticed on-screen.
  “Taylor and I actually had this, like, undeniable chemistry that wasn't ever shown.” [37:25]

• Relationship Dynamics: Bella provides insider perspectives on the relationships between contestants like Ace, Shelly, Huda, and Jeremiah, sharing her thoughts on strategic gameplay and genuine connections.
  “Ace is into Huda... he's really into Huda.” [42:10]

• Emotional Challenges: The conversation touches on the emotional toll of reality TV, with Bella expressing concerns about contestants like Demi choosing personal commitments over reunion events.
  “I don't think anyone in the cast feels like Demi was upset about not being there.” [17:02]

2. Love Island Episode Recap and Analysis

[30:05 - 44:51]

Post-interview, the hosts break down recent episodes of Love Island USA, offering critiques and predictions.

• Casting Critique: There is a discussion about the new cast's perceived lack of star power, questioning the producers' choices and their impact on the show's appeal.
  “They haven't announced this person, but this person will be entering their villa... it's lacking star power.” [02:39]

• Relationship Strategies: Bella and the team speculate on contestants' strategies, such as Ace playing the game more strategically compared to others, and the potential outcomes of relationships based on current interactions.
  “Ace feels like he has this figured out. He's trying to play chess while everyone's playing checkers.” [42:37]

• Emotional Support and Friendships: The episode highlights the importance of friendships within the villa, with Bella and Bella discussing how alliances and emotional support systems influence the show's dynamics.
  “Huda confides in me... let these girls have a warm welcome.” [44:49]

3. Reality TV Comparisons and Critiques

[44:51 - 75:22]

The conversation shifts to comparisons between different reality TV shows, focusing on The Valley and Bachelor in Paradise alongside insights into casting decisions and show formats.

• The Valley's Dark Tone: The hosts express skepticism about The Valley's upcoming season, critiquing its dark tone and lack of compelling storylines compared to other reality shows.
  “The trailer wasn't promising, especially if Janae's... it just reeks of a money grab.” [105:32]

• Casting Choices: There's a debate over the inclusion of returning cast members and new bombshells in reality shows, assessing how these choices affect the show's freshness and audience engagement.
  “Casting was desperate for people, and they got asked.” [119:37]

• Showrunner Critique: The hosts discuss the role of showrunners in shaping the narrative and environment of reality TV, pointing out patterns of unfavorable reception under certain producers.
  “People are noticing a pattern, whether it's him or if it's just reality, who knows?” [90:54]

4. Advertisements and Sponsor Highlights

[00:00 - 26:14]

Throughout the episode, several sponsors are promoted, providing listeners with information on products and services beneficial for their daily lives.

• Shopify Promotion: Nick and Bella highlight Shopify as a platform for small businesses, emphasizing its scalability, professional design templates, and AI tools.
  “If you're ready to sell, you're ready for Shopify.” [01:10]

• Cozy Furniture: Bella showcases Cozy's versatile and easy-to-assemble furniture, perfect for dynamic living spaces.
  “Transform your living space today with Cozy.” [25:06]

• Rocket Money: The hosts discuss Rocket Money, a personal finance app that helps manage subscriptions and bills, promoting financial savings.
  “Rocket Money has saved us so much money.” [26:28]

• True Classic Shirts: Bella introduces True Classic shirts, designed for comfort and style, catering to men seeking affordable yet premium clothing options.
  “True Classic shirts are the best because they're designed to accentuate the important areas on our men.” [27:10]

5. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Content

[75:22 - 107:48]

In the concluding segments, the hosts share personal opinions on the discussed reality shows, speculate on future episodes, and express anticipation for upcoming seasons.

• Audience Engagement: The co-hosts encourage listeners to engage with reality shows critically, analyzing character developments and production decisions.
  “If this season goes well, it's a great opportunity for the cast. Otherwise, people aren't going to stick around.” [108:08]

• Upcoming Shows: There's excitement and speculation about new seasons and additional reality TV content, including potential cast members and storyline developments.
  “We have a great week lined up next week as well. Until then, enjoy your weekend.” [53:07]

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Notable Quotes:

• “I felt like my voice was very silenced and I wasn't feeling seen.” — Bella Dash [30:05]
• “Ace feels like he has this figured out. He's trying to play chess while everyone's playing checkers.” — Nick Viall [42:37]
• “Rocket Money has saved us so much money.” — Bella Dash [26:28]
• “Transform your living space today with Cozy.” — Bella Dash [25:06]

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This episode of The Viall Files offers a rich blend of reality TV analysis, personal anecdotes, and insightful discussions on relationships and pop culture. Whether you're a fan of Love Island, curious about The Valley, or interested in the latest Bachelor in Paradise cast dynamics, this episode provides valuable perspectives and entertaining commentary.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Bella]

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[Nick]

Turn your big business idea into Cha Ching Shopify. New With Shopify on your side, sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com vi a l l go to shopify.com vi a l L shopify/v I a l l what's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality recap edition. I'm your host Nick and boy do we have a jam packed episode for you today. The iconic Bell Dash joins the Vile Files.

[Bella]

Bella from Love island, however you refer.

[Nick]

To her, she is with us today fresh off of her a premature exit on Love Island. She. She came serving, she came in hot and she gave us some, some a lot of juicy BTs. Well tea and excited for you all to hear that we will be breaking down the past few episodes of Love island as well. Like Ace. I don't know man, I'm. I'm a little nervous for Shelley as to too. I don't know, I think they might be.

[Leia]

Not a fan.

[Nick]

I think they might be in cahoots. I don't know. We got. What do we got? We got some Valley Talk, Bachelor in Paradise. New Bachelor in Paradise released their very unimpressive cast. So yeah, just no star power.

[Bella]

I mean they were like our star Dale Moss and it was like really.

[Nick]

I realized they haven't announced this person, but this person will be entering their villa, so to speak, I'm assuming early, who I think is the biggest star of their cast. And I don't know why. I mean, already a huge miss by the producers by not. Not putting this person in the OG cast. Yeah, because it's. It's just. It's lacking star power, you know, like, Andrew and Justin are their biggest stars, and they're from several seasons ago, and that's not how they should be doing it. Well, we'll watch it. Well, we certainly. We're rooting for him, but I have my concerns. We. We shall see. Many of you have already listened to the Sherry Papini episode that dropped yesterday. It is certainly a doozy. Check it out if you haven't. If you are a true crime junkie, you certainly know what we're talking about. And if you dabble in true crime, it's certainly an episode you will not want to miss. A complicated, messy character. I. You know, I. It was.

[Bella]

I have to say, I do have to give us props because it's. Pat us on the back, literally, because it's like, it's. It's hard to interview someone from, like. I give props to a bunch of, like, journalists, you know, like news anchors, like, people who interview people without having any sort of opinion, you know, trying to, like, be as unbiased as possible.

[Nick]

And I think having an opinion, but trying to go in.

[Leia]

Right.

[Nick]

To not show that. That opinion. Yeah, I'm great. I'm grateful for our opportunity to obviously have this show for a lot of different reasons, and our ability to interview fascinating and even sometimes controversial people to see if there's more to the story. And being able to storytell on this show is something I think we enjoy the most. But she is certainly a complicated character. It is definitely a weird vibe in the room, I'll say that much. Interviewing her, she. I think she. I think she felt my.

[Bella]

Nick's always bad cop, I'm always good cop.

[Nick]

I don't know if you were a good cop, but, like, you definitely were offering more opportunity for Grace than I was. I just, you know, when she started bringing up all the people in the neighborhood, like, I. It just.

[Bella]

You gotta listen to it. It's out. Go. Listen, Leia, have you ever left Louie.

[Justin]

For, like, a weekend, gone on a trip?

[Bella]

Like a trip?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bella]

Like, has he ever, like, on a.

[Nick]

Park bench, you know?

[Justin]

Yeah. Just like, in a hotel room and said peace? No. No, I haven't.

[Bella]

You haven't? Well, we obviously, like, don't we go on, you know, vacations? Just Nick and I. Very, you know, not often. But we're back in Vancouver, clearly, for work, and we were coming back for only two days, and so we were like, mom, river, you just stay at the house. Like, we don't need to bring all of you out here. And last night, we sleep with the nanit on, obviously, like, listening to river in her room. And I wake up, she's screaming, crying, and I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. My mom comes in. My mom gets her. She takes her out of the room, I guess into her room because she was scared I was gonna hear it. And then I can hear it far enough in the back. And then she comes back into River's room. She starts rocking her, and I'm like, through the nan at being like. Like, trying to calm her down through the. Through the monitor. And it's just. It's like.

[Justin]

I think it's getting.

[Bella]

It's tough.

[Nick]

It's getting hard. Shout out, Nana, though, you know, helping us stay connected to our daughter. This morning, because I'm the one who usually wakes up and gets river out of bed. This morning, I woke up to hearing river saying, da, Da. Like, calling me like, dada. I'm like, I'm ready to get up. And I was just, like, broke my heart. I couldn't go get up and get her. It's like my favorite part of the day, waking up and greeting my daughter.

[Sierra]

I do have a question, actually. So when you talk to your babies over, like, the camera or the nanit, does that scare them? Cause I've seen the videos where babies think it's like a ghost or like a demon or someone talking to them.

[Bella]

I don't think she knows what a ghost and or demon is. Thankfully, she does look up at the monitor, and I'm sure she is very confused. I think it more so scares my mom, like, whoever's with her.

[Nick]

My scare Natalie, was so true.

[Bella]

We told that story where I thought literally someone had hacked into our baby camera and I had unplugged everything and ran out of the room sobbing.

[Nick]

It definitely might confuse her.

[Bella]

Is Nick going, hello? I was like, I'm out.

[Nick]

But, you know, like, river, she's definitely not an iPad baby, but, like, she is a FaceTime baby. You know, we FaceTime. My parents often Natalie FaceTimes Chambliss or her mom when she's out of town, you know, and obviously, the few times we have left river with Natalie's mom, we will FaceTime her a lot. So she certainly is comfortable with like understanding, you know, we're behind the screen or talking on the phone. River loves to pretend she's taking phone.

[Bella]

Calls with anything that she can find. Remote, anything is hello up to her ear.

[Nick]

And so she's a genius.

[Bella]

It's really cute.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bella]

Which brings us to Olivia Munn doesn't let her kids watch Ms. Rachel. She said, I know kids love Ms. Rachel, but the thing is, if I can't watch it, I'm not going to spend the rest of my life going crazy. These kids shows drive me crazy. Which honestly is so valid. Like if you're gonna have to sit in the room and like fold laundry and have it on the tv. Like if you can't stand it, like, yeah, sorry.

[Nick]

Really? I don't. I mean, listen, funny anecdote, but like, how serious is this take? Is it like, if anything she doesn't enjoy because like, I think Olivia is.

[Bella]

Just saying that it's a little annoying. So it's like colors yellow, orange. I get it, I'm good.

[Nick]

But so is all of River's like little toys and music that you buy her. And she presses and it drives us crazy.

[Bella]

Like, we take our plays for like 10 seconds. This is a 45 minute episode.

[Justin]

Welcome to our learning barn. We have lots to show you.

[Leia]

Yeah, no, I mean her quote though, saying that her son asked for Blue's Clues recently and she says, I don't know who showed him Blue's Clues, but they are on my shit list now. I said, hell no, not in my house.

[Nick]

What is she showing me?

[Bella]

There's so many kid shows out there, they're all annoying.

[Leia]

She said, I put on Tom Holland's Spider Man Homecoming. And I was like, if you want to watch the real life ones, then we can watch that. It might be a little too old for him, but I can't take the cartoons.

[Bella]

Honestly.

[Leia]

Valid.

[Sierra]

Bring back Barney.

[Justin]

I can't wait to re watch SpongeBob, you guys.

[Bella]

Oh, that'll be fun. Yeah, you can. A lot of kids weren't allowed to watch it all the time. Wait, my like, nieces are like, not allowed to watch SpongeBob is.

[Natalie]

That is.

[Bella]

Has it.

[Sierra]

I wasn't allowed to.

[Bella]

I hate and not allowed to watch SpongeBob.

[Nick]

Kid, I'm.

[Bella]

You weren't. Your family wasn't either, right?

[Nick]

I wouldn't have been allowed to watch spongebob, but we didn't even have cable, so that wasn't even an option. But like, my parents were definitely anti those Shows. I mean, a lot of those shows are embedded with, like, adult humor. And, like, I definitely don't want river watching shows that have kids, like, talk about so many of, like, the Nickelodeon Disney shows. Like, parents are stupid and kids are smart and I'm not down for that. Or like, Disney teaches their kids not to respect, like, your elders.

[Bella]

Or it's like mischievous kids, like, always, like, making messes or, like, doing crazy experiments. And it's like, can you just go outside and play with rocks? I mean, I watched all those shows. I turned up fun. Have you, like, started Louis on any. On any, like, screen time or movies or, like, have you introduced any of that to him yet?

[Justin]

No, none of that yet. But. But definitely a lot of FaceTime. He loves FaceTiming. Like, the second my mom gets on there, he laughs hysterically.

[Sierra]

I have every single Barney dvd. And I will happily let you.

[Justin]

I do not have a DVD player.

[Natalie]

Literally.

[Justin]

Definitely do not have a DVD player.

[Sierra]

Look, I'll bring you a DVD player.

[Justin]

Do not have a cassette player. Have been offered those.

[Nick]

Where are these DVDs, Justin?

[Sierra]

I was obsessed with Barney growing up, and I think Barney taught me a lot.

[Bella]

I had a personalized Barney VHS tape, like, that was like. It's like, said my birthday.

[Nick]

And by personalized, like, the. The like a birthday present. Barney, you familiar with his.

[Bella]

It was like, you can, like, it was like, you could put. Or maybe it was Dora. It was like Dora or something where the DVD itself, it was a vhs. It wasn't even a dvd. And it was like. I think it was like, you can probably order.

[Sierra]

I had a birthday one too. And he sings Happy birthday to you.

[Bella]

That's probably worth a lot of money nowadays. I bet you could get on eBay.

[Justin]

OG cameo.

[Sierra]

It was a cameo.

[Bella]

OG cameo.

[Nick]

So what is this Gypsy Rose headline is like, she. Is she doing something wrong? Is the salon trolling her?

[Sierra]

So I kind of went down like a rabbit hole because basically. So Gypsy Rose was just doing a teddy bear brawn, like, trend. She was dyeing her hair. So she went to a hair store to buy the stuff, but she didn't know that the store was for, like, estheticians only. So you needed a license to shop there. But the person that was, like, working that shift or whatever let her still buy the stuff. So she posted it, like, bought the products. Here's everything. Then the company came out and responded, being like, we proudly support licensed beauty pros in the professional beauty industry. Though we are in the initial stages of our investigation, we found recently that a Celebrity was able to shop in one of our B2B stores. Please know we are conducting a thorough investigation and we'll put appropriate measures in place to ensure it does not happen again.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

And she had to respond to the comment being like, I apologize. I didn't know. I was unaware. The lady, like, let me know and let me just complete my purchase. But, like, noted. And, like, now people speculate the person was fired. So it's like, it's just a random.

[Bella]

Like, why are they being so, like, intense about it? We're conducting a thorough investigation. It's like, I don't know, maybe have a key code scanning to get in the front door.

[Sierra]

Right?

[Nick]

Yeah. They take themselves very seriously.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Like, most beauty supply places, it's like they get a discount for being they do. And a salon owner or like an esthetician. But I'm like, they usually charge people just like, the normal price.

[Sierra]

They don't those specific stores because I have my contact. Like, you get the products for so much cheaper. But it's supposed to, like, benefit people that have salons.

[Leia]

That's what I'm saying. Like, she should have had it to give a number.

[Nick]

It's giving wedding industry where they pretend that they can do something that no one else can do. And they, like, you know, and keep it insulated and have all these rules.

[Bella]

These are our rules.

[Nick]

Yeah. Just because, like, this is how it is, you know, I can't possibly do that.

[Bella]

So anyways, did you see this three Gypsy Rose? Did you see Sarah Jessica Parker and, like, how she interacts with fans?

[Nick]

I did not.

[Justin]

Oh, my goodness.

[Bella]

So. So this woman, like, came up to her and just said, like, can I take a photo of you?

[Nick]

Of you or with you? There's a huge difference.

[Bella]

She this says, can I take your picture?

[Nick]

See, that's weird. Like, some when people walk up every blue moon and someone says, can I take a picture with you? No problem. Let's do a selfie together. I'm in the photo, someone standing there and just like, no, no, I'm just gonna take a picture of you. Is very weird.

[Bella]

Very weird.

[Nick]

And I'm like, no, why don't you come? Why don't you get in it?

[Bella]

You know, I feel like it's usually because, like, maybe they'd feel like they don't look very good. So they're like, yeah, you know, I don't know.

[Nick]

But of you and with you are two different things.

[Bella]

So Sarah Jessica Parker explains why she turns down the fan selfie. She said, here's What I've been trying to do, because I was just at the airport on Friday, a woman came up to me and she didn't say hello, she just said, can I take your picture? And I said, we didn't even meet. You didn't even introduce. What's your name? After learning the fan's name, Parker then suggested that the two have a conversation rather than taking a photo. I guarantee you it's going to be so much more meaningful. But no one's gonna believe her. That's the only issue.

[Nick]

Get over yourself.

[Bella]

She's gonna go home, she's gonna listen to the conversation I have with Sarah, just a Parker. And they're gonna be like, proof. And she's like, well, yeah, she told me this was more meaningful.

[Justin]

I don't have proof. But she.

[Leia]

She, like, thankfully finds this article and is like, see?

[Nick]

Proof.

[Bella]

Literally no kicking her feet, jumping up and down. She's so excited for this article.

[Leia]

I mean, like, I'm not a liar.

[Justin]

This article is better than a photo.

[Sierra]

It is. It is.

[Natalie]

Because you're Sarah.

[Nick]

People get nervous when they meet you. Sorry. If they didn't introduce themselves, you know, like, give them. I'm sorry. You didn't even introduce yourself. Like, okay, thanks for the lecture on etiquette. Jesus.

[Sierra]

I agree with her, though.

[Leia]

I agree with her. But I'm also kind of like, for someone who doesn't see, like, famous people a lot or anything, like, to muster up the courage to be able to.

[Sierra]

Go out, like, yeah, versus in la. I'm just like, love your content.

[Nick]

It is all. It's all predicated on the idea that, like, they don't like photos taken of them if they're not in, like, full glam and like, have their basically face costume on.

[Bella]

I don't think Sarah Jessica Parker is like that. I think it's. It's probably.

[Nick]

Why wouldn't she take a selfie?

[Bella]

Because I think she's. She's getting into this stage of life. I feel like we're like, you've seen her on red carpets where people want to be like, oh, did you see Jenna Ortega wearing the dress from. And she's like, do you want to ask me about something else? Like, I think she's getting to the point in life where she's just kind of like, over maybe the Sex and the City ness of it all. I don't know. That's kind of what it's giving.

[Sierra]

I think she's over the drama.

[Bella]

I mean, she's in and just like that. But that's not Sex in the City.

[Nick]

I mean, like, I don't know. It's. It's giving. It's giving. Like, I mean, listen, I don't know. Like, part of being famous is having fans, like, and, and, you know, I don't know. It takes two seconds to take a selfie. It took her more energy to lecture this fan.

[Bella]

Yeah. I bet you this fan will never go up to another celebrity ever again.

[Leia]

What if she goes up to now going to be like, hi, my name is, and I work for.

[Bella]

Do you just want a picture, bro?

[Nick]

Like, I don't want to have a.

[Bella]

Whole conversation with you. I'm in a rush.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next time she does this, she's going to get the exact opposite lecture. It's going to be like, listen, I'll take a picture with you. I don't need your whole life story.

[Leia]

I have to make my flight.

[Bella]

Could you imagine, like, no. Sarah Jessica Parker taught me to do it like this. And it starts like, yeah, I should treat celebrities.

[Sierra]

Where's your proof Shows US Weekly headline.

[Bella]

Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Nick]

I, I mean, when people come up to us, I, I. No one introduces themselves ever. And I'm always just like, oh, what's your name? Because, like, again, they're, they're nervous. They don't know what to say.

[Sierra]

Did you see Demi from Mormon Wives spoke out and said why she didn't attend the reunion?

[Nick]

I did see that.

[Bella]

Yeah. What are your thoughts on that?

[Justin]

She said that she was inv. That it was short notice and the only day they could get the location secured was the day that her and her entire family were going to Disneyland.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, I do know people in production have mixed feelings about this. Like I said before, Demi is, in a, in a way, very much a part of the reunion. And you will have the opportunity to hear from Demi herself in a way.

[Bella]

In a way.

[Nick]

In a way, yeah. I mean, you know, listen, like, all of these, all of the women of the cast were gifted this opportunity to take their family to Disney, and they had the opportunity to pick up whatever date they wanted. Now, when Demi picked the date versus when the reunion was scheduled, I don't know. Obviously, taking her word for it, Disneyland.

[Bella]

Like, offered them all to come.

[Nick]

Well, Hulu, you know, abc, Disney, that the part of the family, I think all of these women were given the opportunity to, like, go and have a Disney experience with their family, all of them, and they could just pick a date. They could go whenever they wanted. This happened to be the day they.

[Sierra]

Were all Posting at Disney.

[Nick]

So, yeah, this happened to be the day that Demi picked. I think many of her cast feel that it was not as random as Demi suggested. But, you know, I guess that's more.

[Bella]

I mean, how far in advance did she know the date of the filming reunion?

[Nick]

I don't know. That's, you know, I don't know.

[Justin]

So she took the free Disneyland trip.

[Bella]

She said we had already booked all of our flights and the Airbnb was non refundable and if we know anything about that. That's true.

[Nick]

That's.

[Bella]

Or I would have moved the trip to be there. I tried to have production move it to another day and they couldn't swing it.

[Nick]

I don't think anyone in the cast feels like Demi was upset about not being there, but.

[Justin]

Got it.

[Sierra]

There's a good excuse is what you're saying.

[Nick]

Yeah, but I. There's no proof to suggest that her story is untrue. But you will want to watch your show, I promise you that. And Demi is very much addressed.

[Justin]

Did they offer you guys Disneyland tickets since you're the host?

[Bella]

No, actually. What the fuck?

[Justin]

What happened with that?

[Nick]

I said, don't offer, please.

[Justin]

Nick was like, actually, I'm allergic.

[Bella]

Sierra and I will. Sierra and I and Justin will take River.

[Sierra]

I'll go.

[Leia]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

Many of you know we've been in Whistler a little bit recently. And every restaurant in Whistler, when you show up, will ask you if you have any allergies. Every single, like, you get it, you know, can I have a table for two? Do you have any food allergies? No. And then I asked for no sauce on. On my burger and it came with sauce. And I was like, there's sauce on here. Can you take it? And she kind of looked at me and I was like, I'm allergic.

[Justin]

And I was like, oh, like, why didn't you.

[Nick]

Yeah, I got caught in a lie. I got caught in a lie.

[Sierra]

Don't they do that here too, though?

[Nick]

Not like. I mean, every single restaurant. It was like part of, like, they.

[Bella]

Definitely should be doing that everywhere.

[Justin]

Yeah, I like that. I like. They get ahead of it. It's like, do you have any allergies? Do you not like anything?

[Bella]

Do you like, do you want a different server? Are you not a fan of me? Do you hate my outfit?

[Justin]

Tell me everything up front so that we don't have to deal with this later.

[Sierra]

Yeah, Surface is really nice. And Whistler will say, because when I was like hunting down WI Fi, like, I was asking them some outrageous questions. I was like, is the room facing the north sky with no clouds?

[Bella]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

And they would look at me like, you sound crazy, but I'll check.

[Bella]

Yeah, like, let me find out for you. I'm gonna go up to the room really quick.

[Justin]

Can you guys just, like, off the top of your head, point north?

[Bella]

No, straight in front of me is.

[Nick]

What I always said.

[Justin]

No, like, can you just, like, point north?

[Bella]

I can point north right now.

[Justin]

Do you know where north is?

[Nick]

When you're in a room in a city you're not familiar with?

[Bella]

Try it.

[Justin]

Point north right now.

[Nick]

I couldn't possibly.

[Sierra]

I'm literally.

[Bella]

I always think it's right in front of me, which I know is definitely wrong.

[Leia]

No, it's.

[Justin]

Well, I think about where the. I think that's west.

[Nick]

I know.

[Bella]

That's why I'm like, I'm facing this way. North. That's south.

[Sierra]

Soggy worms.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Ironically, the north is right in front of me.

[Justin]

North is right there. Yes.

[Sierra]

The boy Scout knew.

[Justin]

Well, I always just think about where the ocean is, but if I was somewhere without an ocean and where I.

[Nick]

Grew up, I could always. I knew the directions for sure.

[Bella]

Is that. They don't teach that in school. Like, how to read a compass. I don't think I would.

[Justin]

They tell you.

[Nick]

Well, I grew up next to the Great Lakes, and the Great Lakes were always east of us, so I always knew where the lake was relative to where I was. And so from there, I knew my north, south, southeast, and west. Yeah. To Leia's point. If you're. If you live near a large body of water and you know what direction that body of water is from you, then it's pretty easy. Or a landmark, maybe a mountain.

[Bella]

You know, I'm so bad at directions. Geography. I always call it the wrong one. I'm always. But I always. I'm really bad at geology, so I'm always, like, so bad at geography. It's like, which one is it?

[Leia]

I tell people that I'm like, I have a way with gps, that I have to use GPS at least three to five times to be able to get someplace to get there without. With, like, off memory.

[Sierra]

Also, this is the thing, too, that people use their gps, and they either, like, they'll enter in the directions and they might press go to get the voice to tell them, or they just look at it, and then they keep it on, like, the map.

[Leia]

I keep it on.

[Sierra]

I keep it on the map, too. I don't press go.

[Leia]

I don't want to hear her.

[Justin]

At my last Job. I worked there for over a year, and to the day I stopped working there, I used my GPS to get there.

[Leia]

That's why.

[Bella]

Do you want to know my biggest pet peeve about Nick? And I think it's taken away. Yes, your biggest. It's taken over all the rest of us. Yeah.

[Leia]

Let's hear. This is number one.

[Bella]

This is number one. It's moved its way. It's climbed its way up.

[Nick]

Is it an egg?

[Bella]

It's an it.

[Nick]

Oh, wow.

[Bella]

It's an egg.

[Nick]

Wait, wait. Can I guess?

[Bella]

It boils my blood. Yeah, go. What do you think it is?

[Justin]

Should we all guess?

[Bella]

Literally everyone guess.

[Nick]

Go ahead. I don't want to. I don't want to out myself.

[Bella]

Okay. Leia, what do you. Leia, what do you think it is?

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Justin]

I'm not playing this game.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I don't support.

[Nick]

What do you think it is, Leia?

[Leia]

I know it's not the cabinets.

[Bella]

Yeah, we've moved on from the cabinets. Like, that's the cabinet. I've gotten so used to the fridge being open and microwave being open that it doesn't even faze me.

[Justin]

I'm guessing it has floating in the seat directions.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Bella]

It floats him flying up in his seat over the speed bump. I need to know. Okay, what is it?

[Nick]

Drumroll.

[Sierra]

Is it like bouncing. Bouncing walls?

[Bella]

No, no, no. He does not press the button on the trunk to go to, like, for it to shut. He tries to forcefully open and shut the trunk, and I'm like, there's a button.

[Sierra]

I do that, too.

[Bella]

Just press the button.

[Sierra]

I do that, too.

[Bella]

He can't. He never will. He never has. It doesn't. He's. He's. We're breaking the. Every single time.

[Nick]

It's. It's like a James Bond car. It's, like, hard to find. It's like, you know, they want to be aesthetically pleasing. I don't know. This fucking thing is.

[Bella]

It, like, cracks and creaks every time he's trying to jam it. Shot. I'm like, if you just pressed the button that said close, it's.

[Nick]

My toxic masculinity really takes over. I need to, like.

[Bella]

Yeah, you got to hulk it open.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bella]

Anyways, so.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I do the same, Nick.

[Bella]

You do, Justin.

[Sierra]

Well, because I'm used to having an old car, so every time I touch someone else's car, I'm like. Like, pulling it down, but it's fighting me.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And then I give up. I give up. But I'm like, oh, didn't get the memo.

[Bella]

Connect doesn't give up. That's a difference.

[Nick]

All right, well, it's time to get into some love island. Starting with your first to leave the island, Belle Dasha joins us for some hot burning tea. She was very delightful. I didn't know what to expect, but she was a ton of fun. I'm excited for you guys to listen and hear this conversation. And then coming out of our interview with Baldasha, we will break down the past few episodes and figure out our Ace and Shelly playing everyone, including the audience. And I think you'll find some of Baldasha's comments about them very interesting. Up next, Baldasha, you know that feeling.

[Bella]

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[Nick]

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[Bella]

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[Nick]

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[Bella]

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[Nick]

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[Bella]

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[Nick]

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[Bella]

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[Nick]

So excited. So excited. Thank you for joining us.

[Natalie]

Hi. Thank you so much for having me.

[Nick]

Like, are you down for the Belle dash and name? Do you know that people are calling you that? Like, it's kind of an iconic nickname?

[Natalie]

Honestly, I feel like my name has, like, been morphing as an adult, and I'm so here for it. I love nicknames, and I love Baldasha. I feel like it's very elegant and very classy. So, yeah, I'm here for it.

[Bella]

Did you ever expect that to come out of your. Your name going on the show?

[Natalie]

Okay, for sure. Like, some people have called me, like, B dash before too, so I was like, baldash, B Dash. Like, there's lots of different names for me.

[Nick]

Okay. Okay. Have you always had the dash in your name?

[Natalie]

Yes. So. Oh, well, kind of sometimes, like, people will just type Bella, like, B, E, L, L, A. And like, that. That works too, you know, but if we're trying to be proper about it, then it's. It's with the dash and only with the dash on that.

[Nick]

You heard it here first. It's with the dash has always been a dash. Well, Bell Dasha again. We're so excited to have you. I gotta say, I'm sad to see you go.

[Natalie]

You and me both.

[Nick]

I. I thought it was a, you know, as far as, like, first eliminations, like, sometimes, you know, even last season, as popular last season was. I don't remember who was first eliminated. It's like, there's such a long season, but, like, you really made your mark. I felt like you were a star in the making. You were wildly talked about. You got a ton of screen time, and then all of a sudden, poof, you're. You're gone. So sad to see you go, but at least congrats on, like, in your limited time, making such an impact on the show.

[Natalie]

Thank you so much. And I will say that that's definitely not how I was feeling through this whole process. I. I felt like I was very small and, like, my voice was very silenced and I wasn't feeling seen. And I think, like, it really did take a minute for me to finally break out of myself, and I felt like people got to see my boundaries, but people don't get to see my character. And there's so much more to me than just my boundaries, you know?

[Nick]

Okay. Well, no doubt, no doubt. And that's why we're excited for you to join with us. We're hoping to get to know you a little bit better. I think there was a little surprise early on when you swerved for the first kiss and you're like, I don't kiss on the first date. And we were like, do you know what show you signed up for? Baldasha. But in all seriousness, like, how long were you planning not kissing someone, like, given just like these. The games in the contests there seem to be like full on makeouts. You know, they really push those. Those. Those limits pretty quickly. So, like, what was your plan going in or if you had a plan at all? And what changed that?

[Natalie]

So I've always had this rule, like, no kissing on the first day. And to be honest, I didn't know what I was going to do until it really came down to it on the first day. I have imagined because it is Love island, and I know that's what I signed up for. I knew that there was a big possibility that that would arise, and I just knew that I wanted to stay true to who I am and the boundaries that I've set. Not just on the outside world, but even in this unfamiliar environment, I knew that I still had to be who I am in there too. So, yeah, I definitely knew that I was going to face that. But on the first day was a little wild. And honestly, I think it was a really great opportunity to, like, lay it down, like, hey, this is who I am. This is what I'm about. Maybe they don't understand it in that moment, but hey, like, come find out why.

[Bella]

I think it also made that challenge like, that more fun because it was like, whoa, here she is.

[Natalie]

You know, I think one of my fellow islanders was like, oh, is this prom?

[Bella]

And I'm like, that does feel a.

[Natalie]

Little bit like prom right now.

[Nick]

Yeah. Who? I know it was like a quick. I'm sure, sure it was all like a blink in the eye. But in the limited time of the men that you kiss, who was the best kisser?

[Natalie]

Oh, I'm gonna be so honest and say that I completely blanked out during the challenge. And one thing, like, people don't see is there was like popcorn in my mouth just being like, exchange between guy to guy that we were all, like, slimy growth, sticky, and there was a lot of adrenaline. I was obviously very nervous because it was the first time I was gonna be kissing these guys. It was like, oh, this is kind of, you know, a unique situation. I would never in the outside world kiss four guys in one day. Right. So I definitely stepped out of my comfort zone for that one period.

[Nick]

Hell, yeah.

[Bella]

Where is your accent from? I must say. Yes.

[Natalie]

Oh, I don't. I don't think I have one, but I will say I am first generation American. My mom was born in the Philippines, and I have spent a lot of my time in my adult life around, like, native Hawaiians. So I feel like maybe it's just like, bits and pieces from, like, Philippines, Hawaii, and then like, just the slang of Oregonians and the slang of maybe online.

[Bella]

TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

I think, like, when I'm around my. My local friends in Hawaii, like, it comes out a lot thicker.

[Bella]

Sure.

[Natalie]

But then when I'm around other people who maybe don't have as thick of an accent, then I feel like I revert to, like, no accent.

[Nick]

No.

[Bella]

I don't know. Yeah, yeah. I'm the same way. I'm from the south, and when I talk to people not from the South, I have this voice. And then when I'm back home, I am very, very southern, so I totally understand. Did you, in the moment of the elimination that how that whole process went where Nick took you up to Soul Ties, he asked you to, like, run back fourth base, and then he's there giving that speech, and he's like, when we shared that moment, and then he pauses. Like, did any of that, looking back, did you feel manipulated at any moment?

[Natalie]

Oh, 100. Yes. I will preface this by saying that there is no love lost, and I will never drag Nick for what he did, but he absolutely did make it seem like. Like he might have picked me that night. And also what the viewers haven't really seen is, like, the conversations that were shown between Nick and I were the most basic of. Of, like, surface level conversations. We had deeper conversations. We had a deeper connection. And, you know, he did have a solid connection between Sierra and I. And I don't blame him being stuck in between two tents. Like, this is not a real world problem for Nick. So I think that he was eating it up. And I definitely called him out by saying, I think it's stroking your ego a little bit. So he felt like that wasn't the case for him, but I genuinely think it was a little difficult. And I did encourage him to explore all the connections and test them to the deepest level. And that's exactly what he did. And ultimately he chose Sierra. And I'm not a sore loser. I'm so happy for them. I think Sierra is a lovely, lovely person. But was I being misled the entire process? Absolutely. Otherwise I wouldn't have. I would have backed off, you know, and watching back, it really frustrates me because I feel like his mind was made up since the moment he met Sierra. So, like, that's okay, but communicate that with me, you know? And that's exactly what he didn't do. And that's all I asked from him since day one.

[Nick]

If there. If Nick was a little bit more upfront with the way he was leaning, who would you have pursued and at least explored? Because it's so early, right? Like, you know, you barely even knew Nick. For all you know, like, spending two more days there, you could have realized, oh, shit. Like, Charlie and I are like, we're vibing.

[Natalie]

Okay. Another. Another little side detail. I had amazing chats with the guys in the villa. And the conversations that were shown were, unfortunately, with. I love Charlie as a person. He's hilarious, but that was the least of my connections in that villa.

[Bella]

How funny.

[Nick]

Why does no one like Charlie? I feel like he's a Charlie.

[Natalie]

He's great, But I just got, like, bestie vibes from him.

[Nick]

All right?

[Natalie]

And I said that, too, but that didn't make the cut. So the real tea, Taylor and I actually had this, like, undeniable chemistry that wasn't ever shown. Okay. And anybody else saved me that night, it would have been Taylor. But for me, I am such a girls girl. And being a girls girl in that villa is something that's very difficult to do because Alandria, she was my other girl. Huda and Alandria were my besties in there. And I think my loyalty to Alandria really, really got in the way of me fully exploring what could have been there with Taylor and I.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Bella]

It must have been easier to be dumped by Nick while he has a massive pimple on his face. No, that was a pimple.

[Nick]

I mean, like, yeah, I was like, there's. Any part of you is like, you know what? Honestly, send me home. Send me home. I don't.

[Natalie]

No, we all break out sometimes. And obviously he was dealing with a very stressful situation.

[Bella]

So it is so funny. I've.

[Nick]

Why don't you offer him a pimple patch? You know, like a little star.

[Natalie]

Had one on all throughout the day, but I guess he took it off for the recovery.

[Justin]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Nick]

I would have kept that patch on.

[Bella]

That's crazy.

[Leia]

But.

[Natalie]

But no, I will say, like Taylor, he always had Alandra. Excuse me. He always had Alandra on one hand, and he would have me in the other. He would help me up and down the stairs. He would bring me coffee every single morning. He would ask if I wanted breakfast. He just, like, have my back. Like, even during the recoupling announcement, he grabbed my hand and held on so tight and was like. Like, everything's gonna be okay, you know? So I. And the last thing he told me was, I'm gonna be checking up on you on the outside world.

[Nick]

Okay?

[Natalie]

Was it Nick? It would have been Taylor.

[Nick]

Okay. All right. Don't tell anyone that. Save us. Save that for us. Look at the exclusive. Beldasha. Blink twice if you would, if there's any chance you show up at Casa More.

[Natalie]

I wish I could blink 10 times.

[Bella]

That would be crazy.

[Natalie]

I feel like it would be such a. A sick storyline. Like, this little shy girl comes in and then finally breaks out of her shell, right?

[Nick]

See, she's all warmed up. Like, don't put her back in, coach.

[Natalie]

She's going to do whatever it takes to get into that villa. She's not going to have her girls clouding her judgment.

[Bella]

But.

[Nick]

And. And you'll be rated. You shouldn't watch this.

[Natalie]

You'll be able to see all the.

[Bella]

Girls, and then you'll go back and, like, Huda and Alondra are so young, your girl. So you'll be like, let me tell you, the actual tea that they're not going to tell you. Could be good. It could be good.

[Natalie]

I think it would be wild. So, you know, producers, if that opportunity arises.

[Bella]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Nick]

We are so down for that, for that to happen. Who is the. Which. Which of the guys makes the best breakfast?

[Natalie]

Okay, this is so funny, because it was a huge mystery the entire time of who was making the breakfast, because I know that the guys would take credit for somebody else's work. But watching back, I'm seeing that Ace is the first one in the kitchen. He's the one scrambling all the eggs. He's the one, like, putting all of the. The beautiful, like, assortments on the plate. I am actually a very simple girl, and I don't eat breakfast very much, so I love a good little peanut butter toast. And Nick did make me my peanut butter toast. Okay, Give him credit for that. And even, like, cut it up for me, which was very sweet. But Ace made me breakfast one day, and I felt bad because I barely touched it. It was, like, too pretty to eat, you know, he gave me the fruit, he gave me the AVO toast. He gave Me, the beautifully scrambled eggs, and I barely touched it.

[Nick]

Why do you feel like Ace and Shelly didn't hook up or at least, like, match or pick each other? Because it felt like. I felt like that was the direction he was going. Watching it back, they. They both seem to really connect on a deep level. Like, what do you feel like that was all about?

[Natalie]

Genuinely, I think they could be endgame. I'm gonna be so honest. I don't know how they haven't just clung on to each other, because their connection is undeniable. And they actually, like, they've met before. And them being in the same place at the same time again in this entire process, I feel like that's fate.

[Bella]

It definitely means something.

[Natalie]

Shelly is such a beautiful person inside and out, truly, in the way she carries herself. And Ace, he's there and he is. He's playing the game for sure. You know, he's getting to know everybody, but I think it's only fair. And he's testing every single one of his connections, and I feel like he's doing that so that he can potentially just go all in on Shelley and not be thinking of anybody else in the back of his mind.

[Nick]

Kind of read my mind, Baldash. I, like, I feel like, I don't know, Ace feels like he has this figured out. I feel like he knows what he's doing. He's like, maybe like he's watched the show. He's like, he's trying to play chess while everyone's playing checkers, and he's like, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna wait. You know, Like, I feel he has a quiet confidence about him. And I, I, I thought, you know, maybe they'll just, they'll wait until they need to play that game. To that point, do you feel like Huda and Jeremiah are, like, a little too hot, too heavy, too soon?

[Natalie]

Okay, so that is something that has scared me a little bit, because Huda has become my best friend in that villa, and Jere has become, like, my big brother and my wingman. And, like, I have confided in both of them so very much, it terrifies me that they just have tunnel vision for each other because they're not testing that connection. And I'm a little afraid that, you know, maybe when Casa comes around and somebody who is just Jeremiah's type. I'm not saying Hood is not, but if this other Latina with an accent walks in, knows exactly what she wants, and it's Jeremiah, and Huda is not going to be there to be in the back of his mind. It does scare me a little bit that he might fold. And I feel like Huda, as much as she said she's not writing anybody off, she has.

[Bella]

And.

[Natalie]

And so it scares me because I don't think there would be another connection to save her.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And so I really, genuinely do have high hopes for them and I hope that they make it to the end because they are so beautiful and they have grown a lot in such a short, short amount of time that I think they do have so much potential in the outside world too. But I'm a little nervous for it for them, for sure. Yeah.

[Bella]

Did you ever check Huda on her reaction to the bombshell? Coming in and participating in the challenge and pulling Jeremy just playing the game. Was there ever a moment where, because she had a very, like, reaction, she was like, she's messy. I don't like her. She's not a good person. Did you ever have any conversation with her?

[Natalie]

Absolutely, yeah.

[Bella]

No.

[Natalie]

Huda confides in me and she. She did me more than anybody else. And in that moment, I was there. I was there to be the friend who validated her feelings, but also letting her know, like, hey, these girls are coming in here and they deserve a spot in this villa just as much as you and I do. And they're going to do anything and everything they can to find those connections because they deserve that. And I did let her know that. And after she slept on that for a little bit, something that the viewers didn't get to see is she owned her actions up and down like four or five times over to Amaya and. And so, yeah, I was there to, like, feed into her delusions a little bit and, and just like, validate her because sometimes in the moment you don't need somebod you that you're just in the dead wrong. But I did have a little happy medium balance of letting her know that, hey, your feelings are valid. But hey, like, let's keep an open mind and an open heart and give these girls a warm welcome like they do deserve.

[Nick]

Okay. All right. Did you catch the part? Because it sounds like you watched it back. Did you catch the part where Jeremiah kind of caught himself and was like, if we win, which kind of gave, like, are you here to win? Are you here to fall in love? And then he kind of, like, corrected himself a little bit being around them.

[Natalie]

I don't know. Unless he really, really, really, really is dedicated to the bit I would like, I don't see that with him. I don't think he's just here to win. I want to believe better in him than that because he just does seem so genuinely whipped for her. And maybe it is delusional in my mind to think that, but he really just seems like. Like he wants to see things through with Huda, and he does seem to genuinely care for her. And maybe it's just like me wanting them to work out so bad that I don't want that in my mind, but I. I don't think so. I don't think that's his whole goal here. I mean, I'm sure that's slightly in the back of anybody's mind in there. Like, they. Everybody wants.

[Nick]

I get it.

[Bella]

Right.

[Nick]

That's a good answer.

[Natalie]

It's a good answer, But I don't think that's his whole goal.

[Nick]

Okay. Okay. Do. Did the rest of the group refer to Huda and Jeremiah as mom and dad? Like, Huda keeps telling us that everyone is referring him to his mom and dad.

[Natalie]

I think she meant the villa as in me, because I would refer to them as mom and Dad. I was sleeping in my bed since day two, and their bed is right next to mine, so I would go and, like, cuddle up just, like. Like, right with them, and they would both be there to, like, wipe my tears and. And, you know, maybe feed into my delusions as well. Jeremiah really did become like, a little wingman for me and would be, like a little spy for me. So I. I definitely called them like mom and dad for sure. I don't know about anybody else, but.

[Bella]

I could say for myself, I don't know if you heard it in the moment or if you've seen it when you watched it back, back. And I don't know if she had any malicious intent, but when Sierra sat down after that, recoupling, knowing you were going home, and she looked over at Nick and said, good job. Did that hurt your feelings?

[Natalie]

It didn't really rub me the right way when she said that, to be honest with you. This is. This is tough because Sierra and I, we did develop a friendship, and she is just the sweetest person on the inside and out. And like I said, I do understand why Nick would be so torn between us, but there were moments that I didn't know happen. Like her kind of, like confiding in the other girls, saying how she was feeling, then telling Nick how she. She was, like, uneasy about me and things like that that I never got.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So I don't know. Seeing all of the conversations being held behind closed Doors. That definitely opens up my mind a little bit more. But once again, we're all there for the same reason, and I don't think she meant any malicious intent. Like, what do you say after that? Like, I'm so happy you chose me.

[Bella]

Like, I don't know.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I don't know what I would say either. So I. I don't think she meant any ill intentions.

[Nick]

Were you. Were you. Do you think she should have had more of a reaction? Because it seemed like she wasn't all that bothered when she found out that you and Nick Dick had that sexy makeout that you did after she picked and she. She almost tried to blow it off. Do you feel like she's just, like, kind of trying to forget about it or, like. Yeah. What did you think of that reaction?

[Natalie]

I think in this point, I think she really wants to see it through with him. And, like, I. I kind of want to put myself in her shoes and. And wonder how I would react as well, because I didn't know what was happening, and I didn't know they shared that moment in the photo booth. Like, that five minutes after we had.

[Bella]

Our moment in Soul Ties.

[Natalie]

That was diabolical.

[Nick]

I mean, that saliva was still up in that mouth of his.

[Bella]

That was crazy.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I'm like, oh, I feel like maybe I kissed Sierra, too. Like, saliva's still there, but, like, it's so early on, and. Oh, y' all want some tea?

[Nick]

Only if you promise to save it for us.

[Bella]

Okay.

[Nick]

Okay. Okay.

[Natalie]

Nick has been in an open relationship before, and that was one of the first things he told me within our first conversation. And I don't know why I didn't raise a red flag to that right away, but I feel like him having Sierra and I maybe gave him a little bit of a taste from his past.

[Bella]

Yeah, he, like, felt right at home.

[Natalie]

Yeah. This man wasn't homesick at all.

[Nick]

All right, what. Last question before we have to let you go, Bella, about. And I. I want to thank you. You've been so generous, and we love you. Thank you so much for taking the time, having been on your side of things. I've realized, watching back, that, like, some people, like, look different on TV than they do in person. Some people look kind of. They look hotter. Some people look better in person or better on tv. What is your opinion? Having seen people from behind the screen, having met them in person? Like, is Jeremiah as smoking hot as he looks on our tv?

[Natalie]

Oh, for sure. Jeremiah's fine. And he knows he's fine.

[Bella]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

In the.

[Natalie]

But that is absolutely stunning. She looks exactly like she does in person. Like, as well. So I don't know. I think that. I thought that going into this that maybe people do look a lot better on screen. But now being on both sides of it, I don't think there were any catfishes there whatsoever. Maybe I was.

[Bella]

No, no.

[Natalie]

But I think that everybody really was just like, they were good looking through and through.

[Nick]

And do you think like one more like Charlie? Like what? I know you mentioned you guys were just friends, but like I. He seems like a, you know, taller, tall, dark and handsome, good looking guy. And it really felt like all you women were just more like.

[Natalie]

I don't know what to say to this one. I feel like maybe it's just the. The energy that he brings that just says friend all over it.

[Bella]

But you know what?

[Natalie]

He. He got a little more from Hannah and that's what matters. I think that everything happens for a reason. And I think Hannah and Charlie were placed in the villa at the times they were absolutely. To find each other. Hannah didn't have to fight any girl for her man.

[Bella]

Sure.

[Natalie]

And they deserve each other. I don't know how well the connection is going to hold up because I feel like they are very infatuated with each other right now and they are in the little honeymoon phase, which is super fun, light and flirty. But it will be interesting to see what happens when a hot new male bombshell walks through those doors gunning for Hannah. Because Charlie wasn't fully on Hannah's radar until she had a conversation with him.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Bella]

I know. I'm very excited for Casa More. I feel like we're going to see a lot of cracks.

[Nick]

Well, I hope we see you there. We hope you see that. I hope you make an appearance on movie night. Valdasha, thank you so much. Congratulations on what was short, but certainly an impactful time on Love Island. And congratulations on all your success. Excited to see more of you. Thank you for your time and for the tea.

[Natalie]

Thank you guys so much. I feel blessed to be here and I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day.

[Nick]

Thank you.

[Bella]

You too.

[Nick]

Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Bella]

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[Justin]

She's the best.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm. I met. I mean, more sad that she left after interviewing with her. I really. She just needed a warm up, you know?

[Bella]

That's why I think she's gonna be really great in Casa More.

[Nick]

I don't think she's. I don't think. I don't think they would have let us interviewed her if she was coming back.

[Justin]

I'm sad that they didn't show us more of her and Taylor's relationship.

[Bella]

Yeah. What? That is interesting, her being like, if Nick didn't like, like, Taylor would have saved me. Which is like, interesting because we've seen him this far. Be like, I don't have a physical connection with Alandria. So like, I wonder if that was with.

[Nick]

With not Nick leading with. He's been in an open relationship. Is like, if. Is it if. If that was like some kind of asset on Love Island. He's like, don't worry. I'm used to dating multiple women.

[Bella]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Nick]

I'm good.

[Justin]

Oh, thank God.

[Bella]

And then was the only one. It was the only one in a love triangle. Like, it's like clearly didn't know how to handle it right.

[Leia]

Then you have Austin on the complete opposite end. That's just like, I'm in a love triangle and I don't want to be here.

[Bella]

Have y' all seen. I was telling Nick about it last night. This trend on Tick tock. That's like, I wish Love island was like the Hunger Games and we could drop in like survival kits for them. And they were like, for Huda, we're dropping her some mood stabilizers.

[Justin]

Or dropping Nick pimple patches for fit for Nick.

[Bella]

Pimple patches for Jeremiah Said. A T shirt that says, I'm not the stepfather. I'm the father that stepped up.

[Justin]

Oh, my God. I have a theory, though.

[Bella]

What?

[Justin]

I think Ace is into Huda.

[Bella]

Really?

[Leia]

Okay.

[Justin]

I do.

[Leia]

I can kind of see that because he really is focused on their relationship.

[Justin]

Really, really focused too much on their relationship. He really doesn't want Jer.

[Nick]

That's an interesting theory, but you don't think the theory that he's trying to.

[Justin]

Get into Jeremiah's head.

[Nick]

I think he's in it to win it more than anyone else. And by win it, I mean, like, win, not, like, fall in love or meet a person. I don't know, it just seems a little shady that the established influencer YouTube star who found his way onto a reality TV show is already a bit of a red flag. And then the one lady that he's already met in person, how long or how much, whether it was a brief, you know, meetup or they actually knew each other, I don't know. And then they just seem like they're playing everyone, like, certain. Like, that was so messed up to, like, match with Amaya and then immediately be like, I. I'm all for, like, setting up for expectations and boundaries and just, like, establishing where you stand. But he was like, oh, anyways, so excited to get to know you. But, like, don't touch me, don't look at me, don't talk to me. Like, I definitely want to date other people.

[Bella]

That was. It was just like.

[Nick]

It was just mean. That's like, don't you dare me to.

[Justin]

Say goodnight to you.

[Nick]

Yeah. It was just like, whoa. It's like. And the way he, like, talks down to some of these women when he had a confrontation with her, he's like, so this is how it's going to go. I'm going to talk, you're going to talk. We're going to hear it. Just like, bro, like, I don't know. Get over yourself. Like, and again, like, I don't know. It's just kind of given Napoleon. It's just. I don't know. It's a little too aggressive.

[Leia]

It's very condescending.

[Justin]

Yeah. He's also, like, really just. It's such a slap in the face to Austin, him planning this yoga date, like, right in front of his face. It's like, okay, I get it. You can be into Shelly. We've. We're only a couple days in, but just tell Austin. Be like, yo, I'm. I'm still gonna pursue.

[Bella]

He's being so weird with being like, I'm gonna take a girl to yoga. It's like, bro, we know. Like, yeah, yeah. Why just say it.

[Leia]

And set it up in the center of the villa, by the way.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Leia]

It's so secretive.

[Justin]

She's in the middle of making Austin breakfast.

[Nick]

Also, like, I think it's definitely more ace, but, like. And I. And I hate to even speculate because I love Shelley. I think she's so great and dynamic, and I would love for her to make it all the way to the end she's such a captivating character. That being said, I. I. I thought it was kind of weird right before they recouple that, like, she had this conversation with Austin, and she was basically like, listen, like, we're friends. We're. We're friends. Like, friend. The friend vibes. And then, like, a couple scenes later, it was like, I don't know, maybe Austin and I should, like, you know, I don't know. Maybe there's more there. And it just really felt like something. A conversation or something happened between her and Ace that we didn't get to see, and she was like, all right, well, I'm gonna. I'm gonna circle back on Austin. It's like she knew that Ace wasn't gonna pick her, and it just. It makes it clear. Ace is obviously very savvy. He's. He's. He's intelligent. He's. He knows what he's doing, and he just. He just talks like he understands the playbook of the show too much, and it makes sense that he's playing, like, the long game, and that he's gonna, like, couple up with someone else, and then he's gonna be like, hey, listen, I don't want to be. I don't want to be called the player, and I still want to, like, get to know, know, you know, Shelly. So that's why he's gonna, like, have this conversation with her. And he just did it in such an aggressive way. It just. I don't know. And, like, again, like, love Shelly, but she's playing Austin. Like, it's just like, stop pretending that you're into this guy. When. When she says, like, oh, you're so understanding. You're so patient. Like, said no girl ever who was actually into a guy ever. You know, she's just. It's just. And Austin's grown on me. He's sweet. He's a sweetheart.

[Leia]

Austin's growing on me, too. But the Ace and the. And the kissing child, the. The pie challenge, like, I was like, dry heaving. Because I was like, this is far too much. Like, I'm just like, it's so. I don't know. I just felt so.

[Justin]

When he licked the pie.

[Leia]

Licked the pie, and then went into her mouth, and then it was like Austin sitting there, and they're, like, licking. It's just. It was like. Like, he's got a plan.

[Justin]

But I, like, the best part of that challenge was Sierra just being like, I just want to get my lips on Shelly.

[Bella]

Happy pride, everybody.

[Justin]

Happy pride. I was living for that.

[Bella]

All of the Guys were like, freaking. It was. I was like, oh, guy go, yeah, that was good.

[Nick]

I've never been to college, literally.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, you have Nick with his phone. Yeah, that was an it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Leia]

And then Jeremiah, after the challenge, acting like a little bitch baby.

[Bella]

I do have to say it was really, it was really weird that when. Then Ace pulled Huda to talk about, like, the whatever, and she was like, she had just finished telling Amaya that she didn't want to pie Amaya, so she pied Ace, and then she's like, honestly, Ace, like, I just wanted to, like, kiss you. Like, I was hoping it would land on the lip so that I could kiss you. What? Huh?

[Justin]

She. Well, she said that she just didn't want to kiss Amaya. She'd rather kiss Ace. But I'm telling you, there's something.

[Nick]

How is that even? How is that better?

[Bella]

But like, you're coupled up with Jeremiah being like, you're gonna look at another girl. You're gonna look. Are you kidding? You're gonna look at another girl. It's like, you' Ace, you were hoping to, like, make out with him over what?

[Justin]

Ace and Huda.

[Nick]

That conversation between Jeremiah and Huda when they're, you know, because they're, you know, they're not closed off. So, like, I know we're open, but I'm just saying, like, if another girl comes and I. I don't want to, like, talk to her, he's like, what? What? It's just like, either you're open or you're closed, you know? And if you're open, who knows? And if you're closed, then you're fudgeing closed. The semantical argument that it is all it was a solely based off each other's insecurities and trying to like, like, with each other's heads. It was just so.

[Bella]

He was literally like, we're closed off unless a batter comes in. Was literally, literally.

[Justin]

There's nothing worse than if somebody's mad at me and I know that they're mad at me and I'm like, just talk to me. And they're like, no, no.

[Bella]

He acted like such a bitch baby when she came over to him and he shook her hand and then gives her two thumbs up. It was like, what?

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Leia]

Or when. When she was like, how do you usually hold me, Jeremiah? Or whatever. And he's like, I'm not going to hold you the same way every time. And like, it's. It's like, bro, you couldn't keep your hands off Her. This entire time, one of your friends said one thing, and instead of having a conversation, you're acting completely differently. I just don't play with that. I'm like, either say what you need to say and get it out or, like, let it go. But I'm like, to, like, cause a whole scene being like, I'm just not going to tell you because I'm sure.

[Bella]

He hates to be told that he's doing great.

[Justin]

He hates to be told he's doing great. He does. Good job. Great job.

[Leia]

So words of affirmations, not your love language.

[Nick]

I. I do understand him a little bit in that moment. Like, she's. She's talking down to him a little bit. Like, it's. It's a little much. When it's like, everything she does, she's, like, giving, like, a grade two or just like.

[Bella]

I mean, he could have sat there and been like. Like, I just need a moment. Like, just give me some time. But he was, like, being weird with, like, the shaking her hand and the thumbs up and the, like, didn't want to look at her. And, like. And then she pulls them, and he's like, nah, bro. Like, straight. I'm straight. I'm cool. I'm chilling.

[Nick]

Everything about the relationship is definitely giving, like. Like college, high school relationship where it's really too intense too fast. And they love the idea about each other, and they love talking about how great they're going to look to their friends and yada, yada, yada.

[Bella]

Wait, did y' all catch? When they go to the water park and Hood is talking about living together, and he's like, you know, yeah, like, maybe eventually, like, we'll start, like, in, you know, like, visiting long distance, and maybe, like, we'll move to the same state, you know, and then maybe, like, same city, and, like, we'll just, like, kind of work our way. Then she goes back to the girls, and she's like, he said he wants to live with me. Huh?

[Nick]

There's zero chance they end up together. That's gonna. That relationship is gonna absolutely crash and burn.

[Leia]

That man is terrified of her now. But I was also wondering that. I'm like. Because he kind of said the whole, like, good boy situation was, like, based after, like, her acting like a mom or, like, treating him like a child. And I'm wondering if he would still feel that way if she hadn't told him about being a mom.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Leia]

Because it's like, now he's using that against her and using that as, like, his way out being like, no, you talked down to me. But if she talked to you like that and you didn't know she had a kid, would you have a problem with it or would you think it was like pet names?

[Justin]

It started after she told him that she had a kid.

[Bella]

Totally. Amaya lost me during that 100. She lost me with the blow up at Shelly.

[Nick]

I kind of think she's great.

[Bella]

The argument with Ace where she's like, she kept. She just kept saying babe.

[Leia]

She kept saying the same thing over and over again and wouldn't let him talk.

[Nick]

Talk.

[Bella]

Yeah. Which nothing pisses me off more than like someone just repeating themselves over and over and over in an argument. It's like, okay, whenever you're done, activated.

[Nick]

I'm like, yeah, it was a little messy and it was intense. And she like, you know, she was activated. But I just. I think she's on to something. And I think she can tell that Shelly and Ace are like, they're being shady.

[Bella]

She has every right to be, like, pissed off with Ace. What he's doing to her is so fud. It's so unfair. It's not nice. Nice. It's like, honestly, like, if I'm her he, that would make me feel really.

[Nick]

I don't think. I don't think Shelly is completely innocent in this whole charade that they're.

[Bella]

Shelly's playing the Love island game. Shelly's being like, it's eight days in, babe. Like, you might. You might be coupled up with Ace, but, like, I still, like, want to get to know him and, like, he wants to get to know me. He's open. I'm open.

[Nick]

All I'm saying, if. If they end.

[Justin]

Shelly doesn't like Austin.

[Nick]

Yeah. If they, If Shelly and Ace end up together. I don't know. Something's like, it's. It's. There was something shady going on. I just. I don't know. The way she is pretending to like Austin makes me question.

[Bella]

She doesn't want to go home. So she. They all do that. They all, like, want to stay in their couple so that they, like, make sure they have a couple for the next time.

[Nick]

Lean into your connection with Ace. Like, show more of a. Like, I don't know. I get. Listen, it's definitely way more Ace, but. And I.

[Bella]

It's all a. Shelly's done nothing wrong but play the game.

[Justin]

It's time for some new bombshells.

[Bella]

Definitely. Oh, my God. I was like, like, give us the we better bomb.

[Nick]

And I, I really. I. I hope. I. I don't get why they don't like Charlie. I just don't get it.

[Bella]

Y' all want to know what's. When Huda was like, when Jeremiah got called for Alandria or whatever for whatever they did and they landed on Kiss and he just pictures like, you could have made out with her. It's like you just now took off Amaya's head when she made out with him at the last challenge. Like, but now it's okay for your girl to make them like, what?

[Justin]

Make up your mind.

[Bella]

This girl has me literally like, whistle as like, where are we?

[Leia]

And I like, the best of the laundry. Probably didn't want to kiss him either.

[Justin]

Yeah. The best. She's my favorite.

[Leia]

I spotted your red flags from day one.

[Justin]

I love her.

[Nick]

She. She's always like, listen, I don't want to gossip, but.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oops.

[Justin]

He didn't tell you that.

[Nick]

Oh. Oh, shit. Oh, my bad. I don't.

[Bella]

Both.

[Leia]

Both Ace and Austin going to her for advice on Shelley and it's like, she's like, yeah, like, just don't quit trying.

[Justin]

Just keep.

[Nick]

Just.

[Leia]

Just put your all in there.

[Bella]

I saw this interesting TikTok and they were obviously referring to Hood up, but they were like, it's a major red flag when to this person. And I agree with them that, like, when women start, like, really early on in a friendship, being like, oh, my God, I love you. You're my soul sister. Like, we're sisters.

[Leia]

We're best seats.

[Bella]

And that's kind of how Hood has been acting. Like whenever she revealed to Sierra that she was a mom, like third episode or fourth episode, and she's like, you're my sister. Like, I've. I've come to realize and I get that they're spending a lot of time together, but it's intense.

[Nick]

It's like. It's like. It's like a friendship love bombing.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's like. It's like claiming friends and it feels a little transactional. It's just like, I love you. So in case I need something from you, just know that, like, I'm your ride or die.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, it's.

[Leia]

And you better not vote me.

[Bella]

Literally.

[Nick]

Yeah. No, Hooda's. She. She. No, she's no dummy. She's playing the game. But she's also just like. She gets a little too activated too early. She's fun to watch. She's great television.

[Bella]

I do think all of the men are scared of her. I mean, Nick being like. I just think she.

[Nick]

Don't tell her that.

[Bella]

Please don't tell her. I said that.

[Justin]

That was annoying.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Leia]

And he's the cause of it. He's the cause of why Jeremiah is acting different. He's like, just don't tell him I. Tell her I said that. He's like, I don't know why I'm acting different. I'm totally fine, girl.

[Nick]

I also felt like his criticism didn't make sense. Like, I think there's a lot of holes, the poke and Jeremiah and Huda's relationship. But, like, she's. I don't think she's pretending to like them.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, like, she definitely likes them. And I don't know. And maybe.

[Justin]

Maybe.

[Nick]

I don't know. Maybe you're right, Leia. Maybe. Maybe there's something going on they haven't shown us. You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe Huda and Ace, like, there's. Maybe they're giving each other looks like aces. Ace is fucking sneaky. And he. He doesn't want to, like.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

He doesn't like revealing his cards. Pun intended. Intended.

[Justin]

During the blindfolded challenge in the very beginning, remember when they were allowed to, like, go kiss whoever they wanted to?

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Justin]

Ace kissed Huda.

[Bella]

Oh, yeah. I forgot. He kissed Shelly and Huda. Yeah.

[Justin]

There has not been a conversation about that.

[Bella]

Wait, that's so true. I forgot.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Justin]

I'm just saying, Huda. Huda and Ace. There's gonna be something. Ace is definitely into Huda.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bella]

And especially after hearing the, like, the most recent conversation of her being like, I just wish I would have kissed you.

[Nick]

You.

[Leia]

It's.

[Bella]

That is like. That is a weird thing to say when you're like. So you want to be closed off with your man so bad to be like.

[Justin]

And he also wasn't getting upset with her for touching his arm.

[Nick]

I can't wait for Casa more.

[Bella]

True.

[Nick]

They're going to blow that shit up in Casa. I cannot Fudgeing bad.

[Bella]

And then the movie night, you know, Hood is like, he's going to be so scared if Jeremiah folds. And Casa More. I hope they pick, like, remember the Taylor. Remember the Kayla and Aaron of it all where she. She's just like, Aaron, like, the whole time. And she's like, sobbing, crying. She's like, what the Is this? Like, Huda's gonna be pissed. And the death stare. She's gonna send this man.

[Nick]

I don't think. I don't think Jeremiah, though. I think he's smart enough if he does, like, if he breaks, I think he'll come clean fast.

[Justin]

This is the thing about Casa Amore is that they've all seen the show, they all know what happens and then they all do it anyway.

[Leia]

That's funny.

[Nick]

I know, but like Jeremiah up in to this point has been very self conscious. Whether it's because he doesn't want to hurt Huda's feelings or because he's self conscious about his brand or how he comes across. Like he has been swerving, he's been pecking, he's been, he hasn't even been making out during the, the, the games, which everyone gets like a green light to do that shit. So he's, he's very self aware that on that end. So I have a hard time believing that he's going to come back knowing that Movie night exists and lie about it. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's messy.

[Leia]

As I could see Jeremiah coming back with somebody else.

[Nick]

The best case scenario is that like, yeah, they pick a baddie for them. Like they go into casa with their relationship like really rocky, like, you know, and, and that's the thing so much of a relationship right about this is about how it starts, right? It's like that meet cute, they love how they meet. Obviously this isn't like, you know, love island World, but it's like it's based off of like just absolutely being obsessed with each other like the first week and talking about, oh my God, our kids would look so cute together and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's all about this fantas that they built when they first met. And then everything about those types of relationships is about maintaining the fantasy without like it just like being normal and getting to know each other. So like they'll continue down this path of like just like trying to preserve how they met. And then Casa Amore will start and he will already be like questioning how things are. He'll like, he'll have his buddies getting his head. Nick will be like, I don't know man, she's a little toxic. And then they'll bring in this, you know, this bombshell. And yeah, I just don't think, I don't think Jeremiah is going to like do whatever, whatever he does and come back and be like like Aaron was last year and just been like, yeah, nothing happened. Like I didn't do anything, you know, I don't remember, you know, like, I don't think he's going to do that. I think it'll come clean. And then he'll do the whole like guy thing where he's like, I'm just so confused and I still like You. But I like her too. And it'll be a big mess, and then Hood will blow up, and then that's where Ace maybe comes in.

[Bella]

When is Casa Amar?

[Nick]

Not for a while.

[Leia]

Not for a while.

[Justin]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, jeremiah and Hood are breaking up before Casa tomorrow.

[Leia]

Tonight.

[Justin]

They're not lasting.

[Bella]

What did he. I mean, he was like, bro, I'm done. Like, she keeps calling me, like, saying I'm doing great. Like, I'm out of this, is what he was sitting there saying to Nick. And I'm like, wait, is he saying the relationship's over? And then he was like, I'll do anything for her. And I was like, what?

[Nick]

No, he was like. He's like, everything's perfect, except that I hate her, you know?

[Justin]

Yeah. Everything's perfect. If she would just stop talking to me.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Leia]

And, like, let me, like, enjoy my Love island experience.

[Nick]

It's a. It's a good groove. I mean, I think I'm. I'm as into this season as I. As I was.

[Bella]

Yeah, they're definitely growing on me.

[Nick]

Yeah, they're. It's. It's. It's so fascinating because I think. I don't know, maybe it's like our brains for reality tv, we come in with wanting to be such haters, you know? It's like, oh, you know, you look at the pictures and you're like, oh, this all that first episode. You're like, I don't know. I don't know these people. I don't give a fuck about them. Them. And start watching them, you see, and then you realize, oh, I get why they were casted. It makes a lot of sense.

[Bella]

Should we get into the Valley?

[Nick]

Let's get into the Valley. All right. Valley. It continues to be just dark.

[Bella]

And it's so dark, guys. It's such a hard watch.

[Nick]

Now, did you guys see the reports that the Toms are interviewing to be in season three of the Valley?

[Leia]

What do you mean, interviewing?

[Justin]

Wait, what?

[Nick]

Well, I mean, not on the show. So, like, you know, I don't know. They're, like, meeting with producers, talking storylines, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. About the possibility of it. Sounds like. I don't. Maybe this was a blog. I don't know. You never know. Like, we thought Carl left Summer House. Even Andy Cohen sounds like he believed that fake post.

[Bella]

But who else is interviewing the Toms and who else is there?

[Nick]

Someone else.

[Bella]

Did I forget Ariana's brother.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. And Ariana's brother, which.

[Bella]

Oh, it's Giving Bravo, putting up loser men on a pedestal.

[Nick]

I can't. I. Well, I can't. I can't argue. I can't argue against that. I. You know, the Toms, I mean, you know, especially Swartz, have a bit of a soft spot and put it this way, if. Would it. Would it be interesting to you guys if you could see, well, Tom Sandoval is in a relationship. Swartz at least says he wants kids. I would like to see them to be in seemingly decent relationships and strive for the American family to dream.

[Bella]

Do we feel like we trust Tom Sandoval on another TV show while in a relationship?

[Leia]

I just, like, don't know what that show would be.

[Nick]

Are Ariana and her brother on good terms? Are they close?

[Leia]

That I don't know.

[Sierra]

Wasn't there, like, headlines a long time ago of, like, she hasn't spoken to him?

[Bella]

Yeah, I feel like.

[Leia]

Because he was still on good terms with Sandoval, I think, after Scandal.

[Sierra]

Well, there's your issue.

[Leia]

And he was hanging out with Jax when Jax was dating that, like, only fans model during everything. So I'm like, yeah, he's definitely picked the wrong side of history.

[Justin]

Yeah, they weren't on speaking terms a year ago.

[Nick]

One of the biggest, I think, misconceptions out there, especially with, like, public figures, is. Is family members. You know, so often if there's like a report like so so and so's brother or sister or cousin or whatever, you know, might speak on what they know about this public figure, or maybe they're quoted in some kind of book and it's this, like, I have 10 brothers and sisters, and they're very different. I mean, I have siblings on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum, you know, and everything in between. And some of us are close. I mean, we're, as a whole, we're a close family, but, like, the individual, like, I wouldn't want most of my siblings speaking on my behalf, you know what I'm saying? Like.

[Bella]

Like, if someone wrote like a. A biopic about your life, would you want your sisters?

[Nick]

Like, how many of your siblings would you want to be like, yeah, let me tell you everything I know about Natalie.

[Bella]

Yeah, probably not a lot of them.

[Nick]

You know, especially a sibling. It's. It's loaded with such, like, sibling rivalry.

[Bella]

I feel like they would tell it. I'm like, that's not how it happened, like, at all.

[Nick]

I mean, Ariane's got to be so pissed about the possibility. It's such a good concept of Valley. Like, like, get aspirational people.

[Bella]

They need to get. They need to convince Stassi, Schroeder and Lala Kent.

[Nick]

They've got to Stassi's team Hulu at this point. She's off the grid.

[Bella]

I don't care. They need to pay her enough money. Her and her family need to be on the Valley.

[Nick]

Stassi would be great, but they can. Like, they're the. This group of vanderpump adjacent people are not the only people who live in the Valley. They're not the only people you can make the show about.

[Bella]

I think that's what is. Is what we like so much about the Valley with Kristen is that we saw her as this, like, crazy, drunk kid, and now she's, like, becoming a mom. She's settled down, she's bought a house. She's like. And we like that transition. These random friends that, like, some are fans of the show, some are not. I don't. I don't feel like they're as compelling.

[Nick]

They're not at all. I don't need Jasmine. Don't need Zach back.

[Bella]

Who Michelle?

[Nick]

I will say Janet at least is. Janet. Might be. Might give Karen, but I don't think.

[Leia]

She'S, like, a boring person to watch on reality television. Sorry. I get that she came on, but no, she's a terrible reality.

[Bella]

Yeah. She does not get anything from herself. All of her drama is, like, spewing about other people for. From forever ago or keeping the same fight going. Episodes. Episodes, episodes in.

[Nick]

I would fire them all except for Kristen and Luke. I mean, Luke's only crime is wearing those shorts with that suit. Do you think that was. I mean, that must be Kristen's fault. There's no way Luke picked that out for himself. That's just. That's just Luke.

[Bella]

Luke picks out his own clothes.

[Nick]

There's no way he picked that out. Yeah, like, no way he picked that up. Like that pink linen suit. Pant short. Short. It was stylish.

[Bella]

This. He was taking a fashion. Fashion, fashion.

[Nick]

It was brave.

[Justin]

That man takes risk, blends in with his skin. And when he. When it. When it cut to the wide, it was a jump scare. I was like, is he naked?

[Bella]

The shorts was definitely a jump scare, but no, I think we need. We need Lalas. I said this. Yeah. Last reality recap. We need Lala's dynamic, right? We need, like, this powerful woman with her children. No fudgeing man. Like, maybe she's dating, whatever, but, like the pop. With her mom and her brother, like, raising her family, her doing her pod. Like She's a powerhouse. We need Lala. I think Stassi with her two kids and her husband.

[Nick]

Stassi's not coming back.

[Bella]

Lala and Christian, we're not actually casting them. This is all imaginary. Okay, what is your problem?

[Leia]

That's a perfect world.

[Bella]

That will never happen. So stop saying it. It's like, holy shit, it's my dream team. Crazy.

[Leia]

This is her fantasy football.

[Bella]

Literally, like, sorry, Aaron Rodgers is never.

[Natalie]

Gonna play for you in real life.

[Nick]

Stassi, Schroeder.

[Bella]

Stassi, Schroeder with her family on the Valley. Anyone else have a dream team that involves Stassi?

[Nick]

So we have Stassi, Lala, Kristen, and would it be not funny to have we. I. I'd be interested in watching the Toms date on the Valley. It's there.

[Leia]

I'd be fine. Never.

[Nick]

They're not as dark. I mean, compared to Jesse and Jax, the Toms make them look like sweet souls.

[Bella]

I think we can do Schwartz without Sandoval.

[Leia]

Yeah, we definitely can agree with that. I'm like, it. The only thing, even with Schwartz, though, too, is that I've.

[Bella]

I.

[Leia]

And I love Schwarzy, but I feel like he's still so, like, I'm trying to figure it out. Like, the contrast between, like, these, like, marriages falling apart. Like, you have to get rid of all of that to incorporate someone like Schwartzy, because it's just gonna go from, like, fighting, fighting to, like, here's my plants. Like, you know, it's. It's just two very different vibes.

[Nick]

No, I don't. I don't want the darkness of this show, you know?

[Sierra]

What about Heidi and Spencer?

[Justin]

I don't know if they mesh with the show.

[Bella]

I feel like they're their own. They're. Heidi and Spencer are Heidi and Spencer. They're not part of an ensemble anymore. Like, they're their own true show.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, they're my dream.

[Justin]

Should have their own show.

[Nick]

I would want them.

[Bella]

Justin said it, not me.

[Justin]

Okay, so Nick's. Nick's dream team is Heidi and Spencer. Tom Sandoval, Victoria Lee Robinson. Your dream team, Nick.

[Bella]

Sorry they're not renewing it. Your season.

[Nick]

No, I want more.

[Justin]

So far, I don't know if I'm watching.

[Bella]

Ratings are low for next season of the Valley.

[Sierra]

I think I perform.

[Bella]

No one's watching.

[Justin]

Whose season performs better, Nick's dream team or Natalie's dream team?

[Nick]

When did they become my dream team? No, I said they're being interviewed.

[Bella]

But you got mad at me when I said Stassi and You were like, no, never. That won't happen. Like, that's my dream.

[Nick]

I'm just like, pretty sure she's on Hulu Button. Busy.

[Sierra]

She has her own show, though. He's right.

[Bella]

I do also feel like, though they're really. They can't really put anyone El. Like, whoever else is on this show has to come from reality tv. Right? Like, there can't be, like, a Julian Huff on, you know, like, we can't have.

[Nick]

Why not?

[Justin]

Because she's not gonna, like, make Stream Team Julian Mingle.

[Bella]

Literally.

[Nick]

I'm not saying Julianne Hough, but it, like, what I'm saying is I want people who, like, who are aspirational, that have cool lives, that, like, have good qualities to them. And sure, every once in a while, while they show some vulnerability, they bring some mess in their life onto the show.

[Natalie]

Like, who?

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Bella]

Who's at the top of your head besides Tom Sandoval? Because I don't see how he's aspirational in any sort of way.

[Nick]

His cameos are charming.

[Bella]

I've never seen a cameo from Tom sand in my life.

[Nick]

He puts so much work into them.

[Justin]

He does put a lot of. He does put a lot in.

[Nick]

It's like a birthday tribute. He plays music in the background. It's. It's.

[Justin]

He's mixing a drink, sets up a whole bar.

[Bella]

Have you bought one?

[Justin]

He's always doing the most.

[Nick]

I saw him floating around.

[Justin]

Nick just has a bunch of Thomas coming up.

[Bella]

He's like, hey, Nick, me again.

[Nick]

You know? Yeah, come back.

[Bella]

So you have no one that, like, you can think of off the top of your head.

[Nick]

Off the top of my head or Julianne Hough actually wouldn't be bad. I mean, she'd never do it, but pretty good.

[Bella]

Like, I feel like we're back to square one. No, I mean, like, how did we start? Yeah, with let's do a new show. He's like, jillian Hough would never do it, but, yeah, I'd have her on. Like, Stacy Shorter would never do it, but, yeah, I'd have her on.

[Nick]

No, Sassy can't.

[Justin]

I do think the beauty of the Valley is that it's. It's a group of friends who are in the Vanderbilt Pump, like, sphere of universe. So it's like friends of friends of friends of friends. So they kind of have to stick to that.

[Leia]

Like, are you explaining to the Valley?

[Justin]

No, but I'm saying, like, you have to stay true to the Valley. Like, the show itself. That is the, like, log line.

[Nick]

Jasmine's in someone who's just been, like, floating around LA for the past decade, like, trying to be friends with other reality TV stars and found her way on the show. Like, is it that compelling? And all she's done is, like, point fingers at people. Like, what do we. Do we even know what she's been doing for the past 10 years? What does she even do for work?

[Leia]

Genuinely don't know. But can we talk about that moment, though, when they sit down for dinner to. For the confrontation and how fake she was. No, that was sitting here running her. Her mouth to everyone about, like, how. Dark side Danny. Dark side Danny. Like, she's a terrible reality. Not dark side Danny. About Janet and whatnot. And then it was just like, instantly, like, I never said that I forgive you. Like, we're good. And it was just like, girl, you wasted my last three episodes on this storyline. For this to be the confrontation, like, the.

[Bella]

The. The beach fight was crazy. And for that to be the last time you speak. And then now this.

[Justin]

It's like, yeah, where was the. I thought I missed something. I was like, what happened? What was.

[Leia]

You're not a Karen. I was like, you screamed it in her face.

[Bella]

And Janet's like, yeah, I guess I probably am. I looked it up and I probably am a little bit of a Karen. It's like, what is happening?

[Leia]

This was clearly this whole thing up.

[Bella]

It was clearly a scene. They're clearly just good friends who are like, guys. Jasmine's like, listen, Janet, I'm gonna throw a couple. Like, you're a Karen. You have bad vibes and you're gonna get, like, offended, and then we're gonna make up next episode.

[Natalie]

Is that cool?

[Bella]

And they're like, yeah, great.

[Natalie]

Cool.

[Bella]

See, at the beach, that's how that happened.

[Sierra]

Kind of smart.

[Leia]

I said, when they both sat down to that dinner, I go, there's two bad actors. One is already acting, one hasn't gotten started yet. And I don't know if you saw Janet's face when she sat down, but she. She was just like this, like, shy, timid, like, I'm so sad. I'm so sad. And then it was just like, for that to be the confrontation, I was like, you guys are fake.

[Justin]

Janet pissed me off.

[Nick]

Bring up this dark Danny again. I mean, maybe. Maybe Danny was hammered, but I've never seen a more sober, on camera, calm person.

[Bella]

Jason's like, you're acting weird, dude. You're acting weird. Go for a walk. Nick was like, he's literally sitting there.

[Nick]

He's just sitting There with his legs crossed.

[Justin]

He's literally sitting there. And. And it's like all of them, like, are yelling. All of them yell at each other. All of them get into drama. All of them do this. And it's like, just because Danny had a couple of drinks, he's only doing this because he's drunk. It's like, why can't he just stand up for himself?

[Nick]

Also, Jason, what a bitch. The way he's afraid to help them decorate the bar because it's going to upset his abusive, toxic friend who's coming out of rehab. Have, like, Excuse me. Like, are these guys honestly, just. What does Jax have over them? Does he have, like. I mean, that would be very believable that Jax blackmailed all his friends. Truly, that's what it's giving. Like, what these. The fact that any of these guys have the nerve to stand up or they're also want to be his friend at this point is fucking crazy.

[Bella]

They're also acting like they ripped down all of Jax's, like, name. Like, they put a piece of paper over his signage. Jack. He's like, I can't believe this. This is happening. Like, he's getting out tomorrow. He's gonna hear about this. It's like, just rip down the sheet of paper.

[Justin]

Yeah. Jesse trying to make me feel bad for Jax. I'm like, never. Yeah, literally, we should do way worse, right?

[Leia]

I have to pick my friend up from rehab tomorrow. And we're just. We're just aiding in his regression. And it's just like, okay, don't post the photograph.

[Bella]

The man's been. He's been like, harassing Britney the entire season. What Regret question.

[Leia]

When she said that he came by to pick up the mail. What rehab facility is allowing somebody to go stop by their house to pick up the mail? Like, how do you know he's not using?

[Bella]

He's not there. He's at a friend's house. He's. Every time we see him, he's sitting in front of someone's wall. It's just like, literally Jason being like, no. And I walked in and I talked to the professionals there, and I said, said, this is what you're dealing with. It's like, honestly, I feel like Jax hired some people. And that's where you went to, like, Jax's facility. He's in someone's favorite actual one. Yeah. It was crazy to hear them. They're, like, packing up all of his stuff. And Britney's, like, getting emotional and she's like, I just love him, you know? You can't get over him. Overnight. It's like, overnight it's been 10 years of this. What do you mean overnight?

[Leia]

On.

[Nick]

I mean, I, I honestly, I couldn't. With her whole, like, her ordering McDonald's Taco Bell and this girl needs to get her life together. I mean, if that's not just parallel to everything about her life.

[Bella]

I think that was a trend.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, it was like a trend. It's a disgusting trend.

[Bella]

Okay.

[Justin]

I was like, I was. I ordered Taco Bell. I saw it and I was like, actually down.

[Leia]

Looks like a McDonald's tower.

[Bella]

Michelle walking in, though, being. Is there anything for me?

[Leia]

Air and water, my love.

[Nick]

This show really does hate women. Justin, you. You sent a. Like a. Some kind of article talking about the. The showrunner Jeremiah and how he also shows Southern charm and he did the vanderpump, like, season 10 and 11 and.

[Sierra]

What was Dolly Vanderpump on? Southern Charm? Yeah.

[Justin]

Oh, so he hates women.

[Sierra]

Well, and there's. There's just.

[Nick]

There seems to be.

[Sierra]

People don't know. Well, people don't know too much about this producer. He just, he's associated with a lot of the seasons that were also like, quote, unquote, the worst received ones by audience members. And he was removed from Southern Charm, like, halfway through.

[Leia]

I know Jeremy and he was an.

[Sierra]

Executive producer, so it's.

[Leia]

I know him, but I know of him.

[Sierra]

Oh, and he. I think he was name dropped also in Vanderpump rules.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But. Yeah, so there's an interesting. Like, people are noticing a pattern, whether it's him or if it's just reality, who knows?

[Nick]

But it's just the way, for example, like this episode, they did Michelle. So dirty. Right. Like, I was shocked by the. Even the women's Are our audience response, which is a lot of women, like, the way they are not rallying behind Michelle. Like, I just again, look at Jesse, the type of person he is, what he put Michelle through. And like, you know, maybe Michelle's not your favorite character. Maybe you find her slightly obnoxious. But. But, like, how can you not have empathy for someone like Michelle given everything that Jesse has done, which is very similar to a lot of the things that Jax has done in terms of just like, just emotionally torturing her, spending her money, spending all this money to try to look rich rather than like, build a life together. It's crazy.

[Bella]

What I do think, though, is crazy is that Lala was the only person to ask Michelle about her mom. Like, she's been with these people. She calls these other People like her best friend, she's been with them so much more than she's been with Lala. Like as we've seen, we haven't seen not one of these people ask Michelle about her mom.

[Nick]

No. And I think like again, the show did her so dirty because her comments, I guarantee you people are going to be. It was edited in a way that was very much like, here's Britney's moment. It was edited to like give Sheena. In a way. It's like it was the kind of like, what about me? Type of thing Thing. But like this is a, an in the moment interview that Michelle probably did, I don't know, weeks after they wrapped filming, right? Like they're doing pickups, they're talking about, you know, she probably came in for like a four hour session to go through like moments of the season and just kind of talk about, well, how do you feel about like just the support, you know, that. Do you think the rest of the group supports you when it comes to Jesse? Blah, blah, blah. She answers these questions and then they decided to embed it into this episode in this moment. That makes her, her, that makes her like, look like Ashina. And it's just like, it's. They're doing her so dirty. And I just don't get why. I just like, why don't they have like the show, why doesn't the show have empathy for these, these women, specifically Michelle? Because again, like Britney, I'm just so over. I'm just so over. They're moving her out and she's still being like, I just love him. I just, I don't know. His jean jacket. Oh my God, the jean jacket. Ah, like, I don't care. Like, we, we got to see a season of Michelle and Jesse. We got to see how shitty he was. And Michelle finally was like, enough is enough. I don't want to be with this person. I need to be free of this person. Michelle is an example of standing up for yourself, leaving a toxic situation and showing that there's light at the end of the tunnel. And they, they are highlighting Britney, who is someone who is example of continuing to like, delusionally believe and someone who's never gonna change. And for all the people out there watching the show who need a little inspiration to like leave a bad situation, they are making the one person who's doing that Michelle look like Ashina.

[Justin]

Well, it's looking also like where, where at the end of Vanderpump you had Lala saying like, well, I, you know, nobody. I didn't get this treatment when I went through a. A divorce on the show or when I got cheated on. And then Ariana gets like, the God treatment treatment, you know, where she can't. Doesn't have to film with Sandoval and she can, like, you know, it's that.

[Leia]

To me, for me, where I'm like, I feel like everyone's ignoring or not acknowledging the fact that, like, Jacks is in a facility right now. So, yes, we're there as support for Britney, but I'm like, Michelle's being forced to spend time, hang out in an intimate group.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Leia]

With a man who's actively trying to make her life miserable.

[Justin]

Yeah. It'll be very interesting to see what they do now that Jax is leaving rehab. Like, how the friend group is going to navigate. Like, are they gonna invite Jax to all the functions or is it just going to be Britney? Like, because right now they're inviting Michelle and Jesse to everything and they're not taking into consideration how Michelle might feel about that. And they're, like, continuing to be friends with Jesse even when he's been emotionally.

[Leia]

Abusive to Santa Barbara happened. She literally threw a drink in the man's face. He's calling her a hooker. And then here we are for, like. Like a Jax's Jax party. And we invited Jesse. Like, why?

[Justin]

Right. So it'll be interesting to see, like, if they invite Jax to things or if they're gonna be like, no, we are on Team Britney. Jax is not allowed. And then. Yeah, I mean, that would be a slap in the face to Michelle.

[Nick]

Congratulations to Danny and Nia for four under four. They have. They had the birth of their child recently, so congratulations to them. And it's just the fact that they are. This show is putting so much energy in trying to make them look bad. It just kind of shows what this show's about. This is like, could be so much better.

[Bella]

It really could be so much better if they just, like, stopped editing it in this way. And Janet found her own storyline. We. We got an insight into her relationship. Maybe she showed us some cracks in her marriage or some stuff her and Jason work on or life at home with J. I mean, like, every scene she has, it's about a fight with someone else.

[Nick]

Yeah, Jasmine's the same way.

[Justin]

Exactly. You know what's interesting about this friend group is that I don't see the benefit of it. Like, I don't see them having fun. I don't see them, like, actually enjoying each other. I don't see any of them actually being there. For each other emotionally. All I see are like, them being petty, talking behind each other's backs, being mean to each other. Like with every other cast, it's like you have the drama, but you also see the love. I don't see the love with this. This cast.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah. They're just all mediators of the trauma that's happening.

[Nick]

I don't see how Ariana's brother is going to help.

[Justin]

No.

[Sierra]

Well, he'll bring the weed.

[Justin]

Julianne Huff, though.

[Nick]

Yeah, please. How do we feel about Rachel Zo joining the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? I feel like that's a nice.

[Bella]

I think it's giving Rebecca Minkoff.

[Nick]

You do?

[Sierra]

She was rumored for Rachel Zo. Was rumored for a while now.

[Leia]

Well, and also Rachel had a long standing show that like the Rachel Z Project. And like.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Leia]

So I'm like, she's already reality tv.

[Nick]

How did you say Brad's name?

[Leia]

Brad Gorski.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I don't think that's what.

[Bella]

How do you say it?

[Nick]

Goreski.

[Leia]

Anyways, he literally was. She. Her show is what, like, put him into the canon. Thank you. So I'm like, I feel like it's actually like a really good move because, like, Rebecca Minkoff has never had a personality where I'm like, Rachel is.

[Nick]

She had a head show for a long time. It was a huge show show back then.

[Bella]

Does she have like rapport with any of these women?

[Sierra]

I'm assuming she does.

[Leia]

Like, I would feel like she would have more rapport with like an Erica or like a Lisa Rinna, like somebody who's not actually on the show right now. But I feel like she's in that. In that circle.

[Justin]

Did Bose have a rapport though, with anyone? Because she kind of came in without. She was great.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. I'm with Sierra. I think she has already shown the ability to be a compelling reality TV series star where Rebecca kind of showed up as a fashion name icon who.

[Bella]

Was like, oh, looking to up her brand.

[Nick]

Yeah, this. How you know this? Oh, this. I get to be on tv. This housewife thing sounds fun. And then showed up and was like, whoa, I did not sign up for this. Like, holy.

[Bella]

Like, I is Rachel Zoe and a member of Scientology.

[Leia]

No.

[Justin]

God, please.

[Bella]

Making sure we're not getting that storyline again.

[Leia]

No storyline.

[Sierra]

I did see a meme of like, the millennials know Rachel Zo and then the Gen Z, like, know of Rachel Z. Yeah. And like, that's the difference of like, she's gonna hit two different demographics, but in different ways.

[Bella]

I think that's the same thing for Next Gen. Like a lot of their parents. I feel like Gen Z's not gonna really know besides some of the housewives. But like Rachel Roy, like, which is crazy because she's iconic. But I, I do feel like a lot of people probably watching are like, who? Right?

[Leia]

Or like same with her dad. Like Ava's dad. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Literally know Ava.

[Bella]

Right.

[Leia]

And that's, that's the proof in the pudding.

[Sierra]

Did you see Ava Dash was dating Diana Junkins son and also Crystal Minkoff's nanny.

[Bella]

So. Sorry, what?

[Nick]

Huh?

[Sierra]

So she's so she's been in the back of Bravo scenes like multiple seasons.

[Justin]

How are we feeling now? Two episodes in, Are we starting to.

[Bella]

I'm still like, not.

[Nick]

And Nick, episode two was better.

[Bella]

Nick made a great point last night at. When we were having dinner, we were talking about it and he said, said, is Bravo too old for this show? Has the age demographic of Bravo elevated to where now this show is like.

[Justin]

You know, like, that's a very interesting call out. Maybe it's, it's exactly what they're trying to do, like appeal to a younger demographic and like make Bravo appeal to like Gen Z more.

[Nick]

Yeah, we'll see. They might have to give it some. Listen, I love the New York vibe. It's slow so far and it's definitely giving too self aware with some of these characters and it's kind of giving potential doing scenes. Speaking of potentially doing scenes, did you guys see the trailer for beyond the Villa?

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Justin]

Yes. I'm so glad you brought this up. Are you talking about Kayla and Liv's fight?

[Nick]

It looks potentially really rough. It looks potentially rough.

[Bella]

Kayla and Liv's fight where she's like, you didn't tell me you were getting glam. And she's like, well, you didn't tell me you're getting a spray tan. Why the fuck do I have to tell you I'm getting a spray tan? I was like, oh, come on. No, don't give us.

[Justin]

I love Kaylor. I love Kayla. But I'm scared to say that I think she's probably going to be doing too much on this new show.

[Nick]

Well, I think they're all going to be doing.

[Bella]

No, y' all. We saw genuine. Kaylor. We saw genuine like fights and upset and like we saw all of that. So now it looks different because she is aware and it. And that's, I think why it's gonna feel like she's doing scenes is because we've seen the fog, Aaron. We've seen her cry. We've seen her sob, we've seen her like fight with these women. And so now to have her on this, like fighting about a spray tan, it's like, come on, we know that's not you.

[Nick]

It's tough. It's just because I think that's, that's why sometimes these shows have a hard time landing and maybe, maybe it's just like, you know, maybe it's the trailer, maybe it'll end up being epic. Who knows? But Love island, the format works, right? The show is compared to compelling. You know, they, that's why they play all these silly games with slime and make out and the bombshell idea and it's the environment. What's, what makes it compelling. Bachelor, for example, like, a lot of these people aren't stars on their own. It's the show that's the star. And yeah, there's some storylines and things like that. It is much harder for an ensemble cast of quote unquote, ordinary people to get together and, and make a season long, compelling show. Like, it's tough to do.

[Bella]

I mean, I think, think everyone, I think ppg, everyone's going to love, everyone's going to love Leah, Serena and Jana. I think their dynamic is always just going to be fun and funny and people love like that aspect of it. I don't see like Aaron or Kendall or even Connor being like that. You know, I mean, Aaron didn't say.

[Nick]

A word in the.

[Bella]

He said he hasn't had sex with anyone since Kayla, which.

[Nick]

Well, no, he didn't.

[Justin]

He didn't say it if you had.

[Nick]

Sex and he goes like, literally just showed his sad, sappy face a bunch of times. I don't, it's like, has he lost his voice? What is going on?

[Justin]

I saw a funny video where somebody was like, put captions under that and was like lying in a British accent.

[Nick]

Yeah, I don't, I don't want Liv and Kaler fake fights. I want Liv and Kaler to go up against the PPG and talk about how they feel left out from the PPG and because that feels, feels real. That feels like there's a, you know.

[Bella]

Daughterpuff Girls was only 3, though I.

[Nick]

Do have to say either way, I'm just saying that feels like something I can believe. Some real jealousy of the way, like, you know, clearly Janae, Serena and Leah were like the fan favorites. They were the real stars. And Kaylor definitely, you know, had some star qualities and she really popped at the end. But like, there was a clear distinction between that group and Everyone else. And that is something I can believe. If they actually lean into that potential storyline. Not who's mad at who got a fake tanner. Like that the fuck. And like, do not try to sell me like, these fake. You know, if someone's really dating, great. Don't force feed me a fake relationship.

[Bella]

Yeah. I don't need to see Liv and Connor again. Like, you know, I don't know if that's gonna happen, but I've seen it.

[Leia]

That. And then did you see that Janae was in the comments because the trailer dropped and apparently happened how they've. How they edited the trailer together. It looks like Kenny and her are fighting and that it's apparently like the I. I don't want to be together. I want to stay apart or something.

[Justin]

He's saying he didn't want to live together.

[Leia]

Apparently that's like a line that's like, cut in. But Kenny didn't even say that at that time. But they're trying to, like, push that. Like, there's trouble between Janae and Kenny when there's not.

[Nick]

And she's already saying there's not.

[Bella]

Yeah, she's.

[Leia]

She's pissed about it. Like, she's in the comments being like.

[Nick]

That'S why I don't know if the show's gonna work.

[Leia]

You either have to sell it and go along with it, but, like, yeah, where I'm like, they're course correcting as the stuff is coming out. So that's where it's like.

[Nick]

Because that honestly was the most interesting possible storyline of. Oh, okay. Like. And I wasn't like, I watched that trailer and go, oh, Janae and Kenny, like, they're gonna break up. It was more like, okay, that's. They're less than a year into the relationship. Should we move in together? Should we not move in together?

[Justin]

Right.

[Nick]

That's a real. That's a real discussion.

[Justin]

Real problems.

[Nick]

I can see that being. I. I have fought with ex girlfriends about being like, one of us wanted to move in together. And, you know, the other one was like, I don't think we're ready. But if Janae is going to go in the comments and being like, fake storyline for the trailer, it's like, oh, I don't know.

[Justin]

Well, there's a little bit in there that I'm, like, interested. Like, you know, another real thing that happens in relationships is, like, the one partners is, you know, really busy and not making time. And like, that kind of seems like, what's going on with Serena Lena, you know, a little bit. And Cordell but the fact that they put Liv and Kaylor's fight about spray tans in the trailer.

[Bella]

Yeah, that's. What.

[Justin]

That's the best you have.

[Sierra]

Can we talk about Nicole Jackie?

[Justin]

Oh, yeah, Nicole Jackie shows.

[Sierra]

I audibly gasped when I saw her on screen.

[Bella]

Did I miss that?

[Nick]

She had to sit down with Kendall.

[Bella]

Oh, really? Where was I?

[Leia]

And they're talking about their, like, breakup.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bella]

Period.

[Sierra]

And she. She has the same energy in the trailer.

[Nick]

Yeah. It was like, you guys threw me under the bus. What?

[Bella]

Is that what she said?

[Nick]

She was like, you really talk shit about me. You know?

[Leia]

She's like, it's okay. You can say it. You talk shit about me.

[Nick]

And she was like, say it with your chest.

[Leia]

And that was.

[Bella]

All right.

[Justin]

Like, that's a. That's an interesting.

[Sierra]

I just want. I wonder what she's up to as someone from Sacramento. I'm like, she's just, like, bumping and thumping around in the.

[Bella]

Yeah, she's been pretty quiet on social media, I feel like. I mean, I also. I don't follow her, so maybe I just don't follow her. And she's very active, and I just don't see it. You know, that probably would be it. That is so me. I'm like, oh, my God, I haven't seen them at all. It's like, well, yeah, I actually don't follow them at all.

[Nick]

Listen, I hope it's a good show, but it's The. The trailer wasn't promising, especially if Janae's.

[Bella]

Already upset with them. It's like, no.

[Nick]

Well, I just don't think they're gonna. And again, I fucking get it. I say this all the time. Like, I would never do these shows. We've been asked to do shows like this. I'm not interested in it. We, as much as we like to, from time to time, come on this show and give you, like, an anecdotal. Like, oh, drama on our flight. Like, we. We like our privacy. We want to pick and choose. We don't want our life to be storylined, and we don't. You know, we. We don't want that type of attention or fame, and so we don't do it. And it. This cast feels like what they want is to keep the fame going, you know, like, they had a whole year of being Love island superstars, right? And now, like, you know, like the Bachelor before them, when a new season comes out, it's like, a very weird feeling, right, because up into this point, they. They get all the opportunities, they get all the calls. And now, depending on how well this season goes, it's, you know, they're. They potentially could be forgotten. And so obviously they get this opportunity, they're going to say yes to it. But I'm not sure they're willing to do what it takes to make that show success, successful.

[Bella]

Guess we'll see.

[Justin]

Yeah. I did like that they sent the baby to Leah and Miguel because that's, like, something that they do on Love island uk, where they'll, like, send them all a baby that's, like, crying and needing things. And, like, you watch the couples have to take care of a baby, and I kind of hope that they, like, did that with, like. I hope that that's what that was.

[Bella]

That's funny.

[Justin]

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

I think Sierra is afraid to say anything negative about this cast.

[Leia]

Why would I be afraid? I actually love them.

[Sierra]

I think it's gonna perform. To be fair. I don't think people.

[Leia]

Yeah, nothing to be afraid of. I'm like, I'm team Leah. I'm team Janae. I'm team Sabrina Cordell. Name them all. Ppg.

[Justin]

I'm going to watch it regardless.

[Nick]

I just. I hope it's good. And I agree with Justin. I think people will give him a shot. The question if it's not good, people aren't going to stick around.

[Justin]

Yeah. I just hope that the best drama isn't about spray tans. That's all.

[Leia]

I just, like, hope that it's not like a. Like a mom talk in reverse because, like, watching them on their socials, I enjoy it so much. So I'm like, I hope that it's something that transfers over like mom talk did, but I'm like, it could also be something where they're better off doing daily vlogs instead of doing.

[Nick]

That's what I'm saying. That's a perfect example of, like, that's what makes Mormon Wives so special and so talented, is because of their willingness and vulnerability and bravery to continue to show their real lives and their real drama and the things that they really care about, what's pissing them off. And so many influencers who are, especially online, who have a brand to consider and things like that come off shows like a Love Life island and focus on their brand, and then they're. And again, no criticism. I. I totally get it, which is why I'm like, I don't want to do that shit, you know? So we'll.

[Bella]

Speaking of Mormon Wives, did y' all see Michaela's comment under Whitney's video. Whitney posted like when she makes another video about me, like shading Michaela and Michaela comments. You should have done this in the hospital. It's late, Nick.

[Justin]

Do you need to pick me up?

[Bella]

Mikayla's so messy. I love it.

[Leia]

I love her. I have a question.

[Bella]

Shoot.

[Leia]

I guess maybe a question for Natalie.

[Natalie]

Her.

[Leia]

Nick. I don't know. But if your significant, if it's your eight year anniversary and you happen to be on a trip and you finally get a hold of each other, wouldn't you want the first thing that your partner says is Happy anniversary.

[Sierra]

I love you.

[Leia]

I love you.

[Justin]

Like what are we talking?

[Leia]

Yeah, Atlanta, Angela, Charles Oakley picking up the phone and is just like, what? Bitch?

[Bella]

That's crazy.

[Nick]

There's a real love there.

[Leia]

I'd be like, we've been together for eight years. That was the craziest thing I saw.

[Nick]

Should we talk about Britney trying to sue Bravo, the money grab, that whole mess.

[Sierra]

I've been saying it.

[Bella]

Sierra, you have a visceral reaction. Give it to me.

[Leia]

It's just crazy. I'm just like. One second we're defending her because of this and she's sitting here playing victim, being these photos and the fact that she's trying to humiliate me. Me and then smash cut to the end of the season and now you're suing, saying that those weren't even you in the, in the photos. Like that doesn't even make any sense. You literally had us take your side against Kenya and we're like, yeah, that was fucked up that Kenya did that. And now you're claiming that you're not even in the photos.

[Sierra]

Well, and to clarify too, what she's claiming is that she wasn't able to see the photos. So Bravo was withholding information of like what they actually were. So she didn't know until like.

[Nick]

Well, Bravo. Doesn't anyone. No, no.

[Bella]

But wasn't all those women at that event, wouldn't they be like, oh, that's not Brit. I don't know who that is, but that's not Brit. And then be like, girl, you have nothing to worry about. That wasn't you on the posters.

[Sierra]

Well, that's what's lost in translation because we know a lot of the cast members won't say, like, it is revenge porn and illegally it's not considered revenge porn. So it's a whole like convoluted situation.

[Nick]

Yeah, but this is just, and I talked about this yesterday, this is not like justice for Kenya. Like whether she's just like A sloppy at revenge and. And got the photos wrong. If her intent was still to bring up old photos, pornographic photos of Brett, and she just like, found the wrong images also, like, who is this girl.

[Bella]

That'S in these pictures now? Like, should we like, justice for a.

[Nick]

Random person in a porno?

[Leia]

And then we. No, but then we see her at the end of the episode being like, well, I'm sorry, like, and I'm not trying to slut shame, but like, I will say that it's like she's like, I made some mistakes when I was younger and like, these things are being thrown in my face. Now you're saying it might not be you, but you're suing for defamation. But then at the end of the episode, you're whipping out your tits like it's like your job. So it's just kind of like in a group of women that are crying about like, her do her sick baby. Like, it's just the whole. Her whole vibe just throws me off. I am not a Brit Edie fan. I'm glad that she's gone or that she will not be coming back because, well.

[Sierra]

And her lawsuit specifically says defendants contributed to a hostile work environment for Edie and sexually harassed plaintiff by subjecting Edie to unwelcomed, offensive and sexualized by behavior and comments based on her gender. By requiring her to continue working in an environment in which she had been subject to gendered attack.

[Nick]

It's a, it's so. It's like, it's by definition a hostile environment. It's just like, you know, you're on the Housewives. Yeah.

[Bella]

What's crazy is Brady files the 20 million dollar lawsuit against Bravo. She won't be back next season, that's for sure. And I feel like, honestly, she will probably win this.

[Nick]

Definitely not.

[Bella]

You don't think so? You don't think a judge would be.

[Nick]

Like, no, I mean, there's like precedent about this. You know, it's just like, I think someone famously sued the Friends, writers or whatever, you know, because for like some things they said, I think it might even went to the Supreme Court. But there was basically like saying like, you know, in this, this, this is not like a normal work space. You know, like, this is not like showing up to an office space, you know, that specializes in selling insurance occurrence and you walk into a room where they're talking about sex and drugs and, and, and making crude jokes like, I.

[Bella]

Know, but a hostile work environment isn't her only claim.

[Leia]

Yeah, but she also can't say hostile work environment. She's the one talking about pistol whipping people and like, whatnot.

[Sierra]

She's also, she's also asking the network to remove the episode from all platforms.

[Nick]

So it's like the episode. Exactly. Like, it doesn't make sense. It reeks of a money grab grab. I don't think. I mean, I don't know if any of these, all these people suing Bravo, it just reeks of money grab.

[Leia]

And isn't her husband going through some sort of legal stuff?

[Sierra]

Well, yes. Her husband also didn't pay back the country club for the episode we saw. So it's like, there's a lot going on.

[Leia]

Her husband's getting sued by the country club that they filmed that weird pop up party at.

[Bella]

I also think, wait, wait, why is.

[Sierra]

He getting sued for failure to pay?

[Leia]

He didn't pay for renting out the country club for her event, so the country club sued him. And now all of a sudden, convenience, she's suing Bravo.

[Nick]

I think these are, I think many of these cast members who are suing Bravo are messy, sloppy reality TV stars who aren't, don't even, like, think about the process in which they're going. And I think Bravo has it well documented in many of these cases, these reality TV stars actively pursuing like a next season, trying to get back on, trying to be, you know, to continue working for the very environment they claim is hostile. And then when they aren't casted, then they try to sue. And I think when it goes to litigation in court, like, I think, I'm guessing Bravo would probably bring these, these, this information be like, well, it's funny that they are suing us and saying this was a such and such environment because here are all these emails and correspondence between Bravo and their teams about how they wanted to be on next season. And it only changed, changed once we decided to go in a different direction, you know, but like, these are just, these are, these are sloppy people.

[Leia]

Also her, like failed event or whatever when she like had the dinner and like, it was only for her table, not for everyone. So then she blamed her decorator that decorators come out, like, speaking out against her. I'm like, she's just notorious for like not taking any accountability or responsibility for anything that she does or anything that goes wrong. She blames everybody else for the way that she's being portrayed. Where I'm like, this is what you've done, my girl.

[Bella]

We have Bachelor n Bachelor in Paradise. Cast reveal. And we have Dale Moss. Okay, Justin Glaze.

[Leia]

Is that Claire Crawley?

[Nick]

Justin's back.

[Justin]

I actually think I heard that Dale was going to be on it.

[Bella]

Jonathan. I guess we knew who's gonna go. Cat's back. I don't. I don't know who a lot of these people are, honestly.

[Leia]

Because you didn't watch their season or because they're.

[Bella]

Sam. Sam McKinney. The.

[Justin]

Wait, read them all.

[Bella]

The villain of Gin season.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Bella]

Wasn't that who is, like, really weird?

[Nick]

Yeah. The one who wanted to, like, push her off the ledge.

[Bella]

You know who. They didn't post any of the Goldens.

[Leia]

Who.

[Justin]

Wait, no, I see. I see. I see some Golden.

[Nick]

It's gonna be your obvious people.

[Leia]

Yeah. Gary, Leslie.

[Justin]

Gary.

[Nick]

It's gonna be all the people they with over the past two years.

[Justin]

Zoe. Zoe will be there. We knew that though, right? Hakeem is going to be there.

[Bella]

I mean, I'm really only shocked by Justin Glaze and Dale Moss.

[Justin]

Jill is going back.

[Bella]

All of the rest of them kind of make sense because they're. They were on previous most recent seasons.

[Sierra]

And like, I forgot about Jess.

[Justin]

Parisa kind of went home. Alex. Alex is. Is going.

[Bella]

But look at. What are these photos of them.

[Justin]

Bailey is going selfie queen.

[Sierra]

Oh, Lexi's there.

[Nick]

Cat. Cat. Justin. I mean, there's Andrew.

[Justin]

Oh, Andrew is going back.

[Bella]

Andrew Spencer's going back.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Bella]

I don't have the right. I don't have the right link. It's only showing me, like, Jeremy.

[Sierra]

Simon Spencer's photo is hot.

[Justin]

Spencer. Simon.

[Sierra]

Spencer. Conley.

[Justin]

Oh, sorry, seven, sir Conley.

[Sierra]

All the men have shirts. And then you get dispenser.

[Justin]

Ryan. Okay. April Kirkwood is going from Golden. Kathy Schwarz.

[Nick]

I don't care about Golden.

[Justin]

Natasha.

[Nick]

Zoe. Okay, Zoe.

[Sierra]

Hakeem.

[Bella]

Andrew and Justin going back is. I'm gonna say it is a downgrade for them. Like, come on, guys.

[Nick]

What are they doing?

[Bella]

But come on, it's just like you. You're so far removed. You've made yourself like you.

[Natalie]

You're.

[Bella]

You are who you are.

[Natalie]

And.

[Bella]

And now going back is giving just like they're not.

[Nick]

They're not booked and busy, though.

[Justin]

I don't know, I kinda like when they bring people back from, like, seasons.

[Nick]

I mean, I'd rather see Andrew than this. Brian Oates OT Sky. No idea who that guy is. Do not care either.

[Bella]

I mean, I love. I love watching Andrew and Justin tell, like, like, they're funny, they're good, you know, they're good guys. So I guess I just think like, career wise, maybe that's that, like, wasn't the best Choice, but, like, it brings.

[Justin]

Definitely make it OG feel.

[Bella]

It'll definitely make it funny. If they give him.

[Nick]

Is this the entire cat?

[Leia]

Oh, my God. And then just watch Justin Glaze in the corner staring at, like, a golden hitting on, like, a young girl, and he's just gonna have that look on his face.

[Bella]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Him and Hakeem. They literally put the two guys with the facials.

[Justin]

We didn't even talk about Hakeem being, like, on Secret Lives among Mormon Wives.

[Leia]

Well, like, I didn't notice him.

[Sierra]

He was just in the background.

[Justin]

I noticed him immediately.

[Bella]

I think that's pretty good.

[Sierra]

I also texted Leia ahead of time.

[Justin]

Who's he friends with?

[Bella]

I think he's pretty good friends with Breton. To me.

[Nick]

Is this a limited. Is this, like.

[Bella]

Obviously, it's the first cast. Obviously, they're not gonna release everyone.

[Leia]

I mean, it's 23 people.

[Nick]

It's lacking star quality. That's for sure.

[Bella]

Dale Moss is crazy, but they also.

[Justin]

They're also gonna bring people in, like, week.

[Nick]

Sure. But, like, if this is some good bombshells, this is their best. This is their. This is their best. You lead with your stars. You know what I'm saying?

[Justin]

Do you? Because I feel like sometimes, like, the bombshell is where it's at.

[Nick]

Not to maybe the first person you bring in, but again, like, you. You want to have the majority be stars, and then maybe you have a couple, like, OG Bachelor in Paradise would, you know, they would have their biggest stars and then maintain. Maybe in the original cast, they would have, like, one night, one early exit person that they thought, like, had potential. That maybe was kind of an interesting thing. Like, there's a.

[Bella]

Do you think that Justin and Andrew were like, we're only gonna go if one of our boys goes. Like, do you think they're like, Justin's. We're only going if Andrew goes, or I'm only going if Greg goes or Trey goes.

[Nick]

I think casting was desperate for people, and they got asked.

[Bella]

I think they paid him a lot of money.

[Justin]

Greg would have been a bitch one.

[Bella]

I think I'm good on that.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Leia]

I feel like there's not a lot of definitely younger, like, female contestants. I don't know. I guess I just have to watch it and wait and see. I just feel like the. The Goldens are throwing me off because then it's like, in my mind, I'm pairing them up with each other, and then I'm pairing off the three people that I recognize. Like, yeah, I don't know. Well, we just have to see because it's given hot mess.

[Nick]

Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you. To our guest, Baldasha. Be sure to check out the Going Deeper episode with Sherry Papini. We. We have a great week lined up next week as well. Until then, enjoy your weekend.