E979 - Perfect Match w/ Clayton Echard, Hannah Godwin, The Valley, Bach in Paradise & Special Forces Cast

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files – Episode E979: Perfect Match w/ Clayton Echard, Hannah Godwin, The Valley, Bachelor in Paradise & Special Forces Cast

Release Date: August 7, 2025
Host: Nick Viall
Co-Hosts: Natalie Joy, Household Members
Guests: Clayton Echard, Hannah Godwin

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Introduction and Show Format

In Episode E979 of The Viall Files, host Nick Viall, alongside co-hosts Natalie Joy and other household members, delves into the latest happenings in reality television, dating, and pop culture. The episode features discussions on popular reality shows such as Perfect Match, The Valley, and Bachelor in Paradise, and includes a special interview with Clayton Echard, a former bachelor and reality TV personality.

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Special Forces Season Four Cast and Overview

[05:50] Nick Viall:
Nick introduces the topic of the upcoming Special Forces Season Four, highlighting its star-studded all-star lineup. He mentions notable cast members such as Teresa Giudice and her daughter Gia, Randall Cobb from the Packers, Jesse and Eric Decker, Jesse Smollett, Brianna LaPaglia, Cody from Sister Wives, and Andrew, an NFL player.

Key Quote:
"This is an amazing lineup. Jesse Smollett, who faked a hate crime..." [07:06]

Nick emphasizes the show's intense nature, describing it as a real-life simulation of Special Forces training without the typical reality TV comforts.

[09:32] Nick Viall:
He elaborates on his own experience, having participated in Season Two alongside friends Tyler Cameron and Judge Stiwia, highlighting the grueling physical and emotional challenges contestants face.

Notable Insights:

• The show emphasizes endurance and the ability to withstand extreme conditions, both physically and mentally.
• Success in the show is depicted as more about emotional resilience rather than just physical prowess.

[12:03] Sierra:
Sierra questions whether the show features couples or siblings, to which Nick clarifies it’s the first season to introduce familial pairs, such as husband and wife Jesse and Eric, and mother and daughter Teresa and Gia.

[14:32] Connor:
Connor speculates on the emotional dynamics between similar family units in the show, pondering whether shared family ties will influence contestants' perseverance.

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Interview with Clayton Echard

Clayton Echard, known for his stint on The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise, joins the podcast to discuss his experiences on Perfect Match. Nick probes into Clayton's motivations for returning to reality TV and his expectations versus the actual outcome.

[17:55] Nick Viall:
Nick asks Clayton about his decision to re-enter the reality TV sphere, especially after facing criticism in previous seasons.

[17:55] Clayton Echard:
Clayton explains that his primary motivation was to present a "100% real version" of himself, acknowledging past insecurities and the personal growth he has undergone over the past three years through therapy and self-improvement.

Key Quote:
"I did a lot of healing modalities and I've acquired a self-love and self-confidence that I don't think I ever had in my life." [17:55]

Discussion on Perfect Match Experience:

Clayton shares his initial excitement upon rejoining the show, specifically his interaction with Juliet and the unexpected reunion with his ex, Rachel, which stirred a mix of emotions.

[19:23] Nick Viall:
Nick asks Clayton about his interactions with Juliet and Rachel, especially focusing on why he pursued a match with Rachel despite their past.

[21:50] Clayton Echard:
Clayton admits that meeting Rachel brought back old feelings, leading him to consider rekindling their relationship. However, he emphasizes his eventual decision to end things with her based on his intuition and the realization that their lives and aspirations no longer aligned.

Notable Insights:

• Clayton highlights the challenges of reconciling past relationships within the reality TV framework.
• He expresses frustration with how the show's editing portrayed his interactions, feeling that crucial context was missing.

Key Quote:
"I felt like our vibes weren't matched. Three years later, I wanted to see if I've changed, you've changed, will our vibes match?" [27:44]

[33:04] Connor:
Connor questions Clayton's handling of his relationship with Rachel, especially the abrupt decision to end things and not fully communicating his reasons, suggesting a lack of empathy.

[36:12] Clayton Echard:
Clayton shares his personal history of being a people pleaser and how it influenced his behavior on reality TV. He acknowledges his ongoing journey toward emotional maturity and his struggles with empathy and accountability.

Key Quote:
"I used pain as a driver. This experience was definitely eye-opening." [36:12]

[38:24] Connor:
Connor challenges Clayton's reluctance to fully disclose his reasons for ending the match with Rachel, emphasizing that Rachel deserves transparency.

[42:55] Clayton Echard:
Clayton maintains that his reasons are deeply personal and not easily communicated without causing additional hurt, reflecting his unresolved feelings and the complexity of their history.

Closing Remarks with Clayton:

Despite the criticisms, Clayton expresses gratitude for the opportunity to share his perspective and acknowledges his progress while recognizing the areas where he still needs improvement.

[48:05] Nick Viall:
Nick commends Clayton for his honesty and expresses support, highlighting the challenges reality TV personalities face in maintaining authenticity amidst scripted narratives.

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Discussion on Perfect Match Dynamics and Criticisms

Following the interview, the hosts Sierra and Connor express their concerns and frustrations regarding Clayton's interactions with Rachel on Perfect Match. They criticize his lack of empathy and the perceived insensitivity in handling their past relationship on camera.

[48:43] Sierra:
Sierra emphasizes the importance of accountability and criticizes Clayton for seemingly shifting blame, stating, "There's zero accountability. And it was just, it's everyone else's fault."

[53:27] Connor:
Connor highlights specific instances where Clayton's behavior appeared manipulative and disrespectful towards Rachel, questioning his emotional maturity.

[54:08] Sierra:
Sierra further elaborates on Clayton's actions, suggesting that he failed to consider Rachel's feelings and the potential public embarrassment caused by his abrupt departure.

[59:20] Hannah Godwin:
Hannah joins the conversation, sharing her observations on Clayton's behavior and expressing skepticism about his intentions and emotional progress.

Key Quote:
"I was like, you're just causing drama and then being like, oh, I don't know how that." [59:20]

[64:29] Connor:
Connor discusses the broader implications of reality TV portrayals, criticizing the lack of genuine emotional connections and the prevalence of performative behaviors among male contestants.

[75:00] Hannah Godwin:
Hannah provides anecdotes from her personal life related to reality TV experiences, emphasizing the superficiality and performative nature of such shows.

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The Valley and Bachelor in Paradise Recap

The latter part of the episode shifts focus to recapping episodes from The Valley and Bachelor in Paradise, analyzing the behaviors and conflicts among the contestants.

[89:34] Mary:
Mary delivers a rapid recap of the previous night's episode of The Valley, highlighting conflicts, dramatic apologies, and the show's ongoing narratives.

Key Quote:
"Jacks, once again, was incapable in every single way of seeing Britney as a person who can exist outside the context of his own narcissism." [89:34]

[95:00] Sierra:
Sierra critiques the lack of accountability among The Valley contestants, drawing parallels to the earlier discussion about Clayton's behavior on Perfect Match.

Notable Insights:

• The hosts express frustration with the repetitive patterns of drama and lack of genuine emotional growth among reality TV personalities.
• They emphasize the negative impact of such behavior both on the individuals involved and the viewers.

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In wrapping up the episode, Nick Viall reflects on the challenges faced by reality TV personalities in portraying their true selves amidst manipulative editing and scripted interactions. He encourages listeners to maintain empathy and understanding, despite the often-poisonous dynamics showcased on screen.

Key Quote:
"All of us who go on reality TV, we're kind of going on through our, you know, we're the main character in our story and I think we all kind of forget that." [39:14]

The episode concludes with light-hearted banter among the hosts and a brief mention of upcoming episodes, maintaining the engaging and conversational tone characteristic of The Viall Files.

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Notable Exclusions:
Advertisements and promotional segments from Progressive Insurance, T-Mobile, ShipStation, Quince, ASPCA, Beyond Yoga, and Audible were omitted to focus solely on the content-rich discussions and interviews.

Transcript

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[Sierra]

You're crazy.

[Nick Viall]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by my wife, lover, and just really my favorite person. Do you have a voice for Connor?

[Sierra]

Do I have a voice for Connor? Like that. I talked to you.

[Nick Viall]

When you're. Let's say you're. You're bickering with each other, and then Connor says something that maybe you disagree with, and then you repeat back to him his mocking. You're like. You're mocking. Like, when do you. When you mock Connor and be like, well, if you.

[Connor]

What does he sound like in your head?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, like, what does he sound like in your head?

[Sierra]

Oh, no, but we don't mock each other.

[Nick Viall]

Never.

[Sierra]

If he mocked me during a fight, the house would burn down.

[Nick Viall]

I don't mean like a fight.

[Connor]

Like, serious, just like, bickering. Oh, remember when you said. And you repeat what he said and it sounds like you have like, your own.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's probably offensive. Yeah. I'm like, okay, you said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Connor]

Yes, exactly.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

Natalie's. Does Smeagol.

[Connor]

No, I don't.

[Nick Viall]

She's like. Well, when you said if. I'm like, I did not sound like that. I like, honestly, you sound like this.

[Connor]

This is how you sound. This is how.

[Nick Viall]

You know. That's why you're doing an impression of me. But when. When we're bickering and I was like, for example, we were. Because the lake house. Lake house is getting close to being done. And, you know, we're. We're Making some selects. And we were debating over something stupid.

[Connor]

And Nick was wrong.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, but you said we were getting limestone. And I did.

[Clayton Eckhart]

That day.

[Nick Viall]

And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I do not sound like that at all. Like, I'm not even.

[Sierra]

You can't even get into the argument because it's like, what did you do? I sound like that to you? No.

[Connor]

Now the argument is, does he sound like that?

[Sierra]

Only when you're angry.

[Connor]

Well, Nick took a. Nick. Nick bit me last night.

[Sierra]

So what do you mean?

[Nick Viall]

We weren't having sex.

[Sierra]

Wait, what do you mean, an intentional bite?

[Connor]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Viall]

No.

[Connor]

Well, it was intentional.

[Nick Viall]

It was. I was. Self. Self defense.

[Sierra]

Self defense. Was she jumping you?

[Nick Viall]

She was tickling me with her freezing cold hands.

[Connor]

Oh, no.

[Sierra]

Might be warranted.

[Connor]

He would not let go. He was like a rottweiler.

[Nick Viall]

It was like, pee my pants or bite my wife.

[Connor]

And he chose bite my choices.

[Nick Viall]

It was a soft, soft tickling with cold hands.

[Sierra]

I think tickling in general.

[Connor]

Nick's job when we get in the bed is to warm my hands and my feet. My. My extremities. That's his job. Warm them up, right? Like that's. He turns off the lights. He gets the water.

[Sierra]

He gets the dogs out.

[Connor]

Takes the dogs out. He finds a remote, and he also warms up the hands and the feet.

[Sierra]

Okay?

[Connor]

That's his job.

[Nick Viall]

Feet on thighs. Fine.

[Connor]

And diet.

[Nick Viall]

Last time, hands on stomach. And then tickling.

[Connor]

I only tickled because he was pushing me off of him.

[Sierra]

I love that.

[Hannah Godwin]

This is like.

[Sierra]

I'm like the judge. I'm gonna say he's nicer than I am. When Connor even barely touches me, I'm just like, will you go live a little? Go warm up before you touch me.

[Connor]

Go run a mile, Literally come back and you.

[Sierra]

I'm like, hello, gifts, Hand warmers, feet warmers, heated socks, a heated blanket. Unless you enjoy having cold extremities under your wall.

[Nick Viall]

You want me to buy my wife mittens for bed?

[Sierra]

Maybe. I'm trying to help you.

[Connor]

I was like, all right, here's your mittens. Warm up.

[Nick Viall]

Put your uniform on before.

[Sierra]

I'm just saying this would save you some drama. You won't have to bite anymore.

[Nick Viall]

And it was a nibble.

[Connor]

It doesn't sound like it wasn't a nibble.

[Hannah Godwin]

It was like.

[Connor]

He was like. He was like he.

[Sierra]

Rottweiler hooked onto him like a dog.

[Connor]

Literally, like a pig's ear or something. It was crazy. I need to check for rabies.

[Sierra]

Do you feel okay today?

[Connor]

Yeah, I Think I'm okay.

[Sierra]

Okay, good.

[Nick Viall]

I don't. Oh, secondhand tickling. You know, you feel. You know, it's just. You never really know when it's coming.

[Sierra]

Was just pushing her off of you not an option?

[Nick Viall]

Not really.

[Sierra]

Like a nice strong arm, perhaps?

[Nick Viall]

Well, when you're kind of vulnerable, lying in bed and I just. I'm in a weird spot. And then she gets ya. And then you're kind of bear hugged and you're tickled and you again, like, you don't. You can't flail your arms because then you could accidentally elbow someone. I beware of your surroundings. So I.

[Sierra]

That's fair.

[Connor]

Against whatever feels like it was instinctual.

[Sierra]

I don't know what happened.

[Connor]

I was trying to save myself nuts.

[Sierra]

That's a reaction.

[Nick Viall]

Anyway, we have a great episode lined up for you today shortly. Clain Eckhart from Perfect Match will be joining us. He's also known as a former bachelor who's been through it, and he put Rachel through it this season of Perfect Match. We had Rachel on the other day who shared her truth about the. The second hand or the. The second round of this love affair? That third.

[Connor]

Well, third breakup.

[Nick Viall]

Third. Third breakup on reality tv. And Clayton has his. His side. And you can just decide for yourself. We also have Hannah Godwin from Bachelor Land. Bachelor Nation.

[Connor]

Bachelor Land.

[Sierra]

Bachelor Land. Acting like you don't.

[Nick Viall]

She's with us either way. She's watching the Valley and she's watching Perfect Match, and we're gonna catch up with her, see what she's up to. Friend of show. I don't think any of that Hannah's ever been on.

[Connor]

Really? No, it was never on during her season. You never had her on?

[Nick Viall]

No. They just released the cast of Special Forces season four.

[Sierra]

I think it's season four.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And it's an all star lineup. It's really. It's. It's. It's pretty wild. First, it's a wild light up for. For all of you reality TV fans. It's certainly stocked. We got Teresa Giudice, her daughter Gia Giudice. The mom and daughter pair will join the special forces. Randall Cobb of the Packers. Damn. All right. Randall Cobb.

[Connor]

We have Brittany Cartwright.

[Nick Viall]

Brittany Cartwright.

[Connor]

Jesse and Eric Decker.

[Nick Viall]

Johnny Menzel. This is an amazing lineup. Jesse Smollett. Guys, are you familiar with Jussie Smollett? Jesse Smollett, who faked a hate crime? Faked a hate crime, went to jail.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Wasted millions of dollars of the Chicago Police Department's money then kind of.

[Connor]

Now he's on Fox.

[Nick Viall]

Now he's On Fox.

[Connor]

Brianna LaPaglia.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Brand chicken Fry. Wait, wait. Cody, the guy who has 17 wives from.

[Connor]

Oh, Sister Wives or what?

[Nick Viall]

Damn, what a lineup.

[Connor]

Is that Mark from the Montana Boys?

[Nick Viall]

Wait, what?

[Connor]

Yep. Marcus Tick Tock stars are getting on well.

[Nick Viall]

Brian Chicken Fry is on there.

[Connor]

Well, Brianna has, like, her a career outside of Tick.

[Nick Viall]

Sure.

[Connor]

But she's, you know, she's Mark from the Montana Boys. He, like, dated Kristen Cavallary is just like.

[Nick Viall]

And then Eva. Who's Eva? Eva's America's next top Model. Okay.

[Connor]

Who's Nick?

[Nick Viall]

Nick is NBA player. Who's Christie?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Olympic soccer player.

[Connor]

Chanel.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Supermodel, period.

[Connor]

Who's Andrew?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Andrew's an NFL player.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, is that Sean Johnston?

[Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Sierra]

Wasn't even.

[Nick Viall]

This is Eva from Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[Sierra]

Thank you. And Ultimate Girls Trip, right?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Connor]

This is a great.

[Nick Viall]

This is a great, great cast.

[Sierra]

When does this start?

[Connor]

September 25th on Fox.

[Nick Viall]

September 25th on Fox.

[Sierra]

And we will be covering.

[Nick Viall]

I knew that Brianna Chicken Fry was going when everyone thought that she was on Love Island.

[Connor]

That was crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, that was kind of.

[Connor]

Justin, you believed it?

[Nick Viall]

I did. She reached out to me and just asked me if she should do it. And I didn't get confirmation that she was doing it, only that, like, I was like, you definitely should do it and I think you will do well. And I gave her just a couple, couple like, tidbits and then never heard back. And then while, while I knew Special Force was filming and then she was off the grid, so I kind of assumed while everyone else thought she was on Love Island.

[Connor]

Well, for the people who've been living under a rock, what is Special Forces? What are they doing? You obviously were on.

[Nick Viall]

Obviously. I was on season two with my friends Tyler Cameron and Judge Stiwa. It's. I don't know, it's. It's several days of literal Special Forces training. It's not a reality TV show. It is a real life simulation. They are not engaging with producers. They are, they are not, like, making no craft services. Craft services. There's no downtime. No. Like making you avocado toast while you, like, do your makeup or anything like that. You're in a real life Special Forces training simulation where you are, you know, every season might be different, but like, you're. You're on. You're going for 18 hours a day. You're going non stop. You are treated like a Special forces. They are emotionally, physically torturing you and.

[Connor]

You'Re doing, like, challenges. That Special Forces training has gone through.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And then at the very end, it ends with they. Them literally torturing you overnight. Literally.

[Connor]

Like in case someone were to have like gotten captured and like they capture.

[Nick Viall]

You and then torture you and you have to survive it. And it's all about quitting. It's like it's or not quitting.

[Connor]

There's no like voting off or anything like that. You have to.

[Nick Viall]

And there's no incentive. They all, they all get paid. Whatever they got paid. They can leave all day one and still get the same amount of money. So it's only for pride.

[Sierra]

Oh, I'm out. Hour one.

[Nick Viall]

They sleep at a cot. There's like one toy you're, you know, going to the bathroom outside in a bucket. Bucket.

[Sierra]

No, thank you.

[Nick Viall]

And they slowly starve you over time.

[Sierra]

I'm surprised more people don't go crazy.

[Nick Viall]

I was a cold climate that I filmed in. I believe this is a hotter one.

[Sierra]

Oh, that's nice.

[Nick Viall]

It's a warmer climate. It's desert warfare. I believe so.

[Connor]

I thought they were doing jungle. Isn't jungle should be on like the list?

[Nick Viall]

They haven't done jungle yet. At least with the American version. Uh, that would be cool. But I don't believe this is a jungle situation. I think this is more like hot desert warfare.

[Connor]

Brutal. Yeah. I honestly. Who do you feel like is going to make it to the end? I feel like Jesse James Decker. I think Jesse power in her and I think her and Eric are.

[Nick Viall]

I think Eric could do it really comes down to like. I mean, obviously Eric's a former NFL player. A lot of NFL players like. Well, first of all, no NFL players have made it. Have passed a course because it's an emotional test more than a physical test. Because at some point you're just like. They literally are. They're torturing you for eight to 10 days straight. So it's like you are made to feel like your worst self and you just have. At some point you're just like, why? Like, I don't need this kind of thing. Or in my case, I just kept going.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Connor]

For everyone who's listening, Nick one, season two. Nick won with Tyler.

[Nick Viall]

With Tyler Cameron and Aaron Jackson, former Olympic speed skater. She was an absolute boss.

[Connor]

Tom Sandoval likes to say he won, but he didn't.

[Nick Viall]

Tom went far, did very well, but did fail the. The interrogation portion of it.

[Connor]

Hannah Brown won season Hannah Brown won season one.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's the thing. Ironically enough, the first two of. In the first two seasons, of the five people who did Pass the course between the first two seasons. Three of them were from Bachelor Nation.

[Connor]

Who won last season.

[Nick Viall]

Last season, you had Brody Jenner and Travis, Kelsey's ex.

[Connor]

Yes. Kayla.

[Nick Viall]

Kayla. No. Bachelor Nation contestants here, despite their very successful track record.

[Sierra]

Did they couples or, like, siblings? Or, like. Like. Because I feel like there's a lot of pairs of people that are.

[Nick Viall]

This is the first time you're having couples. So Jesse and Eric being husband and wife, and you have Teresa and Gia being a mother and daughter. This. That. That's the first time I believe they've had any type of connection, which, honestly.

[Connor]

I feel like is pretty cool. I mean, like, they'll have each other to lean on. They'll have each other to be like, no, baby. Like, push through. You can do this.

[Nick Viall]

Like, I think it'll be interesting. Well, it'll be interesting when one's.

[Connor]

Or if it's like, babies, get the fuck home to our kids, you know?

[Sierra]

Like, that's what I'm wondering.

[Nick Viall]

But does one quit while the other stays?

[Sierra]

Yes, that's what I want to see. Or we'll both leave. Because she's like, well, it's my daughter.

[Nick Viall]

And, like, what if Eric's like, fudge this shit. And Jesse's like, no, I want stay. Like, can Eric really go?

[Sierra]

No.

[Nick Viall]

Can you really go?

[Connor]

True.

[Nick Viall]

You know, is that like leaving your wife on the bathroom floor while she's cooking and going to bed?

[Sierra]

Are you the asshole?

[Nick Viall]

Who knows?

[Connor]

I guess we'll have to find out and see.

[Nick Viall]

Well, Special Forces had Denise Richards on last season, and I know there's. There's a lot of just. It seems like it's getting messier and messier. Her divorce with Aaron. There's not a ton out there, and we certainly don't want to speculate, but it is. I'm just sad to see it get messy. She seems to be filming Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which personally, just, like. Like, I'm just really sad for. For Denise. I. She always talks and said nice things about Aaron, and anytime she'd talk to us about him publicly, privately. And it's not.

[Connor]

Obviously, there's like, you know, it's getting real surfacing from Housewives where, you know, people are questioning some of his behavior, and it's getting messy.

[Nick Viall]

Our hearts. Our hearts are going out to. To Denise. This Special Forces gas is. I'm locked in. All right, well, it's time to get into Clayton Eckhart. We have a ton of questions for him. He's got his answers. Up next, Clayton Eckhart. Well all you small business owners out there, chances are you are shipping product because the world is an e commerce business these days and if you are selling anything online you must get ship station. It is a must have for all businesses out there. It scales with your business because we know that if you're shipping product, your shipping costs are some of your highest costs out there and you can drastically reduce those costs with shipstation while simultaneously getting great insights, analytics and information about your shipping orders providing better customer service to your customers. If you run an e commerce business, you know the best way to be successful is to keep your customers happy. You can do that with ShipStation.

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[Clayton Eckhart]

I'm actually doing really well. Yes, I do have a lot of thoughts, so I'm happy to dive through or into what was going through my head as we all watched the show.

[Nick Viall]

Your intuition folding with Rachel? Yeah.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yes, my intuition, which, yes, I was leaning on. And yes, that intuition was rooted in reasoning, which I'll give a little bit of insight to.

[Nick Viall]

But, yeah, but let's just start with, well, one. I mean, what made you come back for another tour of reality tv? Obviously, we have followed your journey with, with great interest over the years. We've laughed, we've cried with you. You've been through a lot and you seem to be like on the other side of things. Obviously you had a, as I've pointed out, a tough run at times on reality tv, certainly. And we'll get into it. You've certainly made some choices that the audience and people have questioned. But at the, you know, we also know how reality TV works. But either way, you know, whatever you've been through, you were like, you know what, fuck it. Let's. Let's give it another spin. I'm curious, just like, what were your expectations going in? And just like, what was your reasoning for just kind of giving this crazy world another shot? Yeah.

[Clayton Eckhart]

The biggest reason for me to put myself back out there was to be able to put the 100% real version of me on camera. I feel like when I was the Bachelor, if I'm comparing myself from then to now, I felt that I was maybe 80% myself on the Bachelor and it's because I lacked self love and self confidence. So in the last three years, I've done a lot of work on myself. I've went to multiple different therapies. I've done a lot of healing modalities and I've acquired a self love and self confidence that I don't think I ever had in my life. So I am proud of what I've become. And I thought, hey, let's give it a go. Let's see. Maybe if this time around I jump back on TV and a better outcome, if nothing else, at least people are going to see the version of me that I'm proud of.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, I love that. So given that, like, how did it go for you from your perspective? Obviously, we got to see you come on the beach, you first match with Juliet. That seemed like a budding relationship. It seemed like there was some chemistry there, there's some mutual interest. And then obviously Rachel shows up to maybe a lot of people. Surprise. Maybe, you know, maybe everyone's just like, oh, those Netflix casting and people, they got us again. But, yeah, how did you feel the experience went overall? And obviously, I don't know if you listened to our episode with Rachel, who is here the other day. She certainly had her thoughts, and so I just would love to get your side of things.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah, I did listen to what she said, and I felt, I feel it's fair. I feel really any of the ridicule that I see online right now is fair. My experience was great. I actually really enjoyed it. I journaled throughout the process, and when I left the show, I was super grateful to have been through it all. Unfortunately, I'm not too happy with the edit, but I'm not going to sit here and dodge responsibility. I just thought it went differently and thought it could have been portrayed differently. Ultimately, though, we understand that they only have so much time to use when they air these episodes, and so there's always missing context.

[Nick Viall]

Understood. I'd love to get. I would love to hear from your perspective how you wish it was portrayed or what we didn't get to see. But before we get to that, I think just, like, the obvious questions and, like, criticisms that, like, we had when we had Rachel here was kind of like, what the. Why did you, like, what made you even want to pursue a relationship with Rachel and just, you know, given the history that you guys had. Listen, I'm all for people changing their minds. I'm all for people, like, having, you know, like, you know, I understand these moments can be intense, but, like, talking about a guy like yourself who has, like, done the work, as you said, and gotten therapy, your choices, I guess the best way to put it, maybe seem to lack a sense of, like, empathy for or. Or just. Or just an awareness of, like, the Potential hurt that you could cause Rachel if you were to, like, swerve or have your intuition take over. And at that risk, why. Why even bother matching with her night one. Because it seemed like, if nothing else, and again, maybe you have some notes of how the edit was, but it seemed like you pursued that match and that you. You very much. Certainly it was, if nothing mutual. But like, you. You didn't seem like you were being dragged to match with Rachel. It seemed very much something that you wanted to do, something that you wanted to pursue. Like you said, things like, we've both are different versions of ourselves, and I think we owe it to each other and things like that. And that seemed like you trying to convince Rachel to match only for again the next day. And I think a lot of people who are familiar with your. Your two stories were just kind of like, how. What are you thinking, Clayton? So what were you thinking?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah, so of course it was a major surprise when she showed up. And maybe I'm naive, but I really, genuinely did not expect her to walk through the door. I didn't think anybody else would be coming from Bachelor Nation. I really thought, like, they had told me, hey, this is a new concept we're doing. We're pulling people outside of Netflix. And so I thought, yeah, I mean, I'll. I'll. I'm sure I'll bump into people from other shows, but nobody from my past, let alone one of my exes. So when she walked in, it was a rush of emotion. You know, it's. It's all the feelings that you once had, they. They come back up. And I think most of all of us can relate to this. I mean, how many times have we went back to an ex? How many times have we bumped into somebody a couple years later and felt the feelings rush back in? Maybe we bump into them at a bar and we decided to sit down and have a couple drinks. And, you know, all of a sudden you start to be like, oh, maybe time has passed, Things have changed. Like, I've changed. I know how much I have. Maybe she's changed a lot. Maybe now this is the right timing for us. So that's what all went through my head. And of course, I mean, I did think ahead. I thought, you know, what if this doesn't work out, you know, what could, you know, be the impact left? But I felt personally, which it was shown, I did say, hey, I can't promise anything, you know, that to me was a safeguard I was putting out there to say, hey, just so you're Aware. I can't promise anything that this is going to work, but I feel like we're here for a purpose. Which, yes, my screen saver really did say everything happens for reason. And I truly do believe that. So people can laugh at that, but I truly believe it. So I was like, hey, we're both here. This feels impactful. And I didn't have a strong match with Juliet anyways, so it was like, look, I feel the feelings right now. I'm excited to see you. And we had to make a decision that night. And I only had maybe an hour to two hours once she walked in the house. So I made a quick decision, but what I thought. And I didn't kiss her that night at all. I didn't kiss her when we got into the room. I didn't do anything with her other than talk. And then we cuddled and fell asleep. But I was purposely like, look, don't kiss her. Because I want to be very cautious with proceeding. I don't want to hurt her. But what I will say I was surprised by was the intensity of her emotional response when I did. Then the next day say, hey, look, I don't think this is going to work. And how I got to that point was through the conversations we had. My intuition, the things that I'm looking for in life, prior experiences, the conversations her and I had, There were things that were said that I said, yeah, this isn't going to work. I know what it is I'm looking for. And things have changed. We've changed. It's not going to work. So I woke up, I said, okay, I have this feeling in my stomach that this wasn't right. I still waited for most of the day just to make sure that that feeling stuck. And it did. So that night I told her and I think again, if she would have just been like, okay, yeah, I understand. I, I, I thank you for telling me early. And that was it. It wouldn't have been a problem. I don't think anybody would have had an issue. But I think it's because, you know, the way that she think she had the intensity.

[Nick Viall]

Do you think her. So why do you think her intensity, as you claim intensity, but like, why? I mean, I guess if someone were to say why isn't she entitled to her response or to feel blindsided, like, regardless of you, like not kissing or things like that, as you acknowledge, like you guys went through a lot together, there's like some traumatic experiences. And it's, you know, it's one thing to say at the End. I can't promise you anything, but like, you must know that like in these kind of moments, that's not what people are hearing. They're hearing the things of everything leading up to that that you said where it's just like, we owe it to each other and I think we should match. And there's a. I'm feeling something very strong here. Can't promise you anything, but like, you know, it's just like she's not hearing that, you know, she's. She's.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And then there's like also the potential public embarrassment, obviously, that she must, you know, feel like, to trust there, There's a level of trust you, I guess you asked of her that night, right? To match. It's like, hey, I can't promise anything, but like, at least let's, let's trust to explore that, you know, and like, you know, she, she must be allowed to feel a certain way, including maybe even embarrassment, if for no other reason. Like, hey, I'm like, whether he meant to or not, this guy played me or I fell for it or whatever she felt like, I guess. Why are you suggesting that? That was a bit of an out of pocket response by her.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah, I don't want to say out of pocket. She's entitled to like whatever response she wants to provide. What I will say is I had felt that it had been three years, so while emotions were coming back, I still felt, hey, it's been three years. And the way that I thought she would respond was not. I thought it would be different than how it was on the Bachelor because that was intense. But we had, you know, a lot of interactions leading up to that point. And this is. Maybe this is just wrong of me to believe, but I felt like time had passed. We've only been here for less than 24 hours. This isn't the Bachelor. So I didn't expect the same response. It felt like the intensity was, was the exact same. And that was just a surprise to me. That's where I, I wait. I was like, look, I have to tell her as soon as possible. But I was not expecting that reaction. But regardless of the reaction that she gave, she's entitled to give whatever response she wants. The only thing that I could do is just be honest with her and I. In 24 hours, it's like, that is plenty of time to get a good intuition, you know, a good. To understand, like, this is not going to work based off of the conversations that were had and just the feelings and emotions that once they Subsided again. I think people can relate to this. You go out, you bump into an ex, you go out, you have drinks that night, everything feels awesome. You're like, this is great. Then you go to sleep, you wake up the next morning, the emotions have subsided, rationale sets in, and you go, oh, yeah, that was fun last night, but it can't work. I feel like I didn't do anything different than that. I really don't.

[Connor]

I guess my question is why? You know, the night that y' all match, she expressed like, hey, I don't want you to hurt me again. I don't want to get hurt. And you reassured her that's not what you wanted to do, that you didn't have plans to hurt her. So I guess why give her that reassurance if you weren't sure what was going to happen?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah, well, I felt. I did say, you know, hey, I don't want to hurt you, which was true, you know, but I can't promise that this is going to work. So, to me, again, maybe I should have said it in a different way, but I really felt like I was saying, look, I can't promise you things, so this could. You could be hurt. I don't want to hurt you, but I don't know what it's going to look like tomorrow. So I felt that I explained it, but again, I'm not going to say she perceived it a certain way. And as you said, Nick, she heard what she chose to hear and maybe didn't put as much weight on what she didn't want to hear or. I don't know. But all I can say is I thought I explained it. And. And I. I guess I didn't explain it well enough for her.

[Connor]

Did you give further emphasis on that? Maybe throughout the night when cameras were down and y' all were just spending time talking, did you put further emphasis on, like, hey, I. Again, I, like, don't know what's going to happen with this, or did it. Did y' all just not even talk about your connection, really, at all, that.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Conversation that everyone saw? Yeah, I did say, like, hey, look, you have to do ultimately what's best for you. Which I believe they showed as well. I said, look, I respect whatever it is, you know, decision you make. I just feel like right now, you know, it's by no accident that we're here. We did talk. Yes. Later that night. And I again, felt that she expressed her concerns. And I said, I totally understand where you're at. This is scary. There's a lot going on right now, I'm feeling a lot of emotions, and you are, too, but I think it's worth giving a chance. So I, again, I can't remember fully, like, that second conversation. If I was just like, hey, I can't promise you anything. I can't sit here and tell you that I. Did I say that? I'm not certain. I just was like, hey, you have to do what's best for you. I kept reiterating that and said, I just feel like, again, I'm in this moment where everything feels not accidental. And so I'm just questioning why you're here and so am I, why we both accepted to come.

[Connor]

Why feel the need to match with her that night? Obviously, like, if she matched with Freddie, she still would have been in the house. Y' all still would have been able to communicate and catch up and kind of see where that connection was. You didn't necessarily have to match that night. Were you worried that maybe she was going to go home if you didn't?

[Clayton Eckhart]

No, that didn't have anything to do with it. I didn't even think that she was close to matching with Freddie because I didn't see those conversations until I watched it with everybody else.

[Nick Viall]

So, yeah, why not just let it play out? Let. Why not? Yeah. Were you. So you were afraid she might go home and you would lose that opportunity?

[Clayton Eckhart]

No, I just. I didn't know, like, or was paying attention to, like, what was happening. She walked in, I said, hey. Like, I had the conversation with her, and then I went and talked to the guys and was saying how crazy it was. Meanwhile, she's had that conversation with Freddie where it did seem like they were potentially interested in one another. And she could have made that decision right there to say, hey, I'll just match with Freddie and, you know, give us a chance. And if it doesn't work, maybe Clayton and I can, you know, work this out, you know, over time. So she had that decision to make, but. And I. And I didn't realize it seemingly was getting that close for her to match her Freddie. I'd have been fine with that. I think, again, it was no surprise based on Juliet and I, like, both of us were just like, hey, look, we end up being the default match. So, like, let's just. Let's give it a shot. Yeah. We end up having a little bit of chemistry once we kissed, but it was still, like, I had in the back of my head, I'm like, she's going to send me home at some point when she didn't send me home after the date with Carrington, I was actually shocked. I was thrown off in the house. I'm like, I have no idea why she kept me because we didn't have strong chemistry, so that threw me off. But I figured she was going to send me home if I didn't send her home first. It just. It was like going to be one or the other. There was no connection.

[Nick Viall]

You mentioned earlier, obviously we've. We've teased about, you know, the intuition, but you said moments earlier that it sounds more like she said something that, you know, I don't know if it was a trigger or it certainly you clocked it. You implied that something specific happened, which is like, not so much intuition as opposed to, like, you just got, like a vibe that's not going to work out. But something was said that made you think, maybe this connection isn't what I thought it was or. Could you elaborate?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah, I'll elaborate a little bit. Look, like there's certain things that privately I would say and I wouldn't say publicly, and there's things that, you know, again, like, I maybe not wouldn't even say to her. And so intuition is the safeguard to basically say this is the truth. Like, it's a feeling. I've taken a pulse on the interaction. I've listen to what you've had to say, the way you say things, you know, your mindset, where you're currently at, your lifestyle. And ultimately I said, look, like my vibe and your vibe is not matched. Three years later. I wanted to see if, like, I've changed, you've changed, will our vibes match? I'll say this. The lifestyles that we have wouldn't match, and that was part of it. But there was a couple other things as well. And I don't feel comfortable saying, understand that publicly.

[Connor]

Did you tell Rachel privately what those things were?

[Clayton Eckhart]

No, and I don't think I can.

[Nick Viall]

Why?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Because I don't think. I don't think that she would receive them well. I think she would feel like they were an attack if I were to say it coming from me. So I feel like it'll be something that she'll understand maybe over time.

[Nick Viall]

Or, you know, or ultimately you're just. You don't. You don't feel like you're compatible with Rachel.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Essentially, that's what it is. I just. The exact reasons. It's like, look, I don't feel like I can sit here and tell you because I don't think you'll receive it in the way that I would Want it to be received. So therefore, I just. I bet it's just better off to leave it be and be like, look, I had to do what I had to do, but it wasn't gonna work. And that's why I tried to cut it as quick as possible.

[Nick Viall]

Do you at least, like, understand that, like, I get what you're saying in terms of, like, you know, again, you have a right to have feelings change. But I think. I think for a lot of people, like, the disconnect is just more like, I think, again, for someone, like, I think you've clearly done a lot of work and introspection, but it just seemed to lack, you know, the consideration for, like, if my feelings. Everything you're saying makes sense, right? Like, you went in with some questions you weren't even sure about, like, Rachel's lifestyle, as you suggested, but just knowing that there were a lot of potential pitfalls to this, like, surprise that, like, understand your excitement, you know, understand the analogy you gave about, like, hey, people, like, sometimes you run into your ex. But, like, you know, there's a difference between, quite honestly, like, being 20 years old and running into your ex and being in your early 30s and running into your ex. And when you're 20, it's kind of like, holy shit, I'm feeling all these emotions. I don't know what to do. Maybe it means something, like, I guess, let's just yolo and figure it out. And when you're in your early 30s, you're kind of like, all right, I'm feeling some crazy shit. But, like, I, you know, I'm. I'm caught up in the moment. And that kind of emotional self awareness, I think is the difference a lot for a lot of people when it comes to, like, emotional maturity and actual growth. And I think what. At least what we saw, it seemed to lack that empathy or that perspective where, like, you're.

[Hannah Godwin]

You.

[Nick Viall]

You're seeing it through your lens. Totally get it. Like, it's your lived experience, but you seem to not put yourself in Rachel's shoes again, knowing, like, I might. I might spend the night with her, and if I find out that, like, you know, that she wants different things in her lifestyle, that's going to drastically change how I feel. And I might be breaking up with this person again on camera and make her feel very foolish and make her feel very embarrassed. So maybe I need to hold back and just, like, if. If we both get to stay here through other people, like, Juliet saves you and Freddie matches with Rachel, maybe we'll get a Chance to, like, talk some more. Maybe then I'll pursue it a little bit more aggressively. But, like, you went full court press, and it seemed to lack, again, that, like, consideration for how, like, this could play out from Rachel's point of view.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yes, I think that's all fair. I think you said that very well. Look, as my. Has my emotional intelligence improved since the Bachelor? Yes. Do I have a ways to go? Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I definitely do.

[Nick Viall]

Fair enough.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I. I'll say this. I grew up a people pleaser. I grew up not feeling good. I used to be really small. I used to get bullied. I was called big brother by girls. So I basically was friend zoned. And I was terrible at sports. And so I went on a mission at a young age to basically prove to people my worth. And I felt the way that I did that was like, by punishing myself going into the gym, you know, working out seven days a week, two hours at a time, then basically looking in the mirror every morning, be like, you're not good enough. You got to do more. You got to look better. You got to be a better athlete. Because again, my seventh grade self said all my. You know, at that point, all my value was based in sports and relationships. And so I went on this lifelong mission going all the way to the NFL, even though I didn't really even love the NFL. Like, I just went to basically say, like, hey, am I good enough now? I made it to the highest level, and then I become the bachelor, and it's like, okay, maybe girls will now see me as not no longer the big brother, but I subjected myself to, like, all this pain, you know, hours in the gym, the micro tears of the muscle to build it back up, like telling myself I'm not good enough. And I say all this because I basically use pain as a driver. And what I've realized recently and through this experience is that because I was always trying to prove my worth, I was very narrow sighted at times, and I was only considering my own thoughts as opposed to being able to step back and look around and say, hey, take a deeper dive into how this is going to impact other people. Because if pain's my main motivator, unfortunately, pain comes with a side effect of. Of harming other people. So this. This experience was. Was definitely eye opening. I do agree with you that, yes, like, everything you just said, I didn't go to that extent. And I agree with you that I. I could have or should have. And I hope that going forward I will. You know, it's just in General, like, not off reality television. I have improved my, my emotional maturity, but I'm still not where I want.

[Nick Viall]

To be understood that that's fair, backing up to when I asked you about, you know, whatever happened that night with you and Rachel. Maybe Rachel doesn't give a shit. Maybe she doesn't want to know. But don't you think that if Rachel wants to know, like, she deserves to know. And don't you think maybe it's not like your place to assume what she can't handle?

[Clayton Eckhart]

You're very, very. I feel like you're very wise, Nick. I'll give you credit. You told me on here after I was hesitant to come here in the first place.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you do. You must know, Clayton. Like, I mean, you know, we've talked offline.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I've been through it.

[Nick Viall]

I've been through wisdom.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I'll give you credit. People don't give you credit sometimes. They like you're a wise individual.

[Nick Viall]

So thanks, Clayton, but I'm rooting for you. And I think, you know, I do think you are, well in a well intentioned man. And I think sometimes you make mistakes and sometimes I don't think you think things through or sometimes I think, you know, like, all of us who go on reality tv, we're kind of going on through our, you know, we're the main character in our story and I think we all kind of forget that. And everyone who goes on reality TV is a bit of a main character syndrome. But that being said, I do think you're a good guy who's like, just stepped in it. And I think you're well intentioned. But. And so I appreciate you coming on, but I do want to challenge you because I think you're capable of being challenged.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah. And I. To answer your question, if she wanted to know, I just feel like it's a really hard conversation to have and I almost would feel like, hey, could I talk to somebody close to you and see like, if they feel it's. It's like if I should bring it up directly. Like, again, it's, it's. I'm trying really. I know this is making it more like mysterious, but I just, I just don't know if, like it would come across in a way that wouldn't be perceived as an attack. I want, I'm like, I don't know if this is meant to come from me or if this is something that she's meant to just find out over time. I know I'm not. I know it's a weird. I just it's, it's just deeper rooted and it's something that I clocked. I guess that's what people are now nowadays saying. But I just felt like, look, like there were. Our energies aren't aligned and it's just gonna. Basically, I can see, I can see this would cause issues if we were sure.

[Nick Viall]

Well, maybe she doesn't need to find out over time because maybe it's just your opinion and, and maybe other people.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah, correct. And she might say, that's okay, thanks. But that's. I don't agree with you and.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, totally. I'm just saying, like, if she wanted.

[Connor]

If she, if she listens interview and.

[Nick Viall]

She'S like, like, what?

[Connor]

Like, what did I say? What did I do?

[Nick Viall]

Like, what was the problem? Like, can you tell me? I'm assuming.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

You would tell her?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yes, I would. There's. Yes. I mean, yes. Yes. Probably yes. Again, I, I, this is new to me. I don't, there's certain. These conversations that, you know, some of this stuff is like, I've not ever went to this depth. You know, I've learned a lot in the last few years. And I'm having these deep intellectual conversations, which I never had growing up. I grew up in a household of boys. We didn't talk about emotions. So I'm still learning. And I think that's where sometimes my bluntness gets me in trouble because I say something like, I want to highlight something that I heard on the interview yesterday. Perfect example that I said. And it was aired. I said, everyone seemed to see, like, you know, something I didn't when referencing, like, my Rachel. Nice connection. That was very poorly said. I understand why that came across as. I was like, what? He didn't see it at all. And then I heard Rachel say, like, you know, we had a strong connection. I don't know what he means. Like, he asked for my hand of marriage with my dad. And I was like. And I just, I watched that when the show aired and I was like, that's not what I meant. Like that. But I understand that that looks. That was poorly said.

[Nick Viall]

What did you mean?

[Clayton Eckhart]

What I was trying to say was, basically I made the decision to be with Susie and everybody. You know, I kept hearing chatter online. Everyone's like, he made the wrong decision. Like, does he not realize how strong his connection was with Rachel? And I knew it was very strong, but I also feel again, like what people saw, the edit made it seem like Rachel and I had a stronger connection when I felt that, like, my lived experience, I had a Stronger connection with Susie. Then Susie says, well, no, I think you had a strong connection with Rachel. And I'm like, no, I think you're looking at the edit. Like, I lived all of this through, and I. And my connection was stronger with you. So when people kept saying it, though, it started to infiltrate my mind. And I'm like, maybe because I'm going through this process, like, I'm willing to say that maybe I was wrong. Like, maybe I wasn't seeing the right things because I didn't have the emotional intelligence. So maybe, like, I need to listen more to what the majority is saying and. And give it a second chance. And I guess this is my second chance. Like, the universe has brought me here to now be able to give it. Give it a second go, and then. And if nothing else, find closure. Which, you know, I think we've heard. And I both found. But that's what I was trying to get across. Of course, the way I said it, I was like, yeah, that was her poor word choice.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Connor]

Is there anything else that you watch that you wanted to clear up of? Just, like, that's not what I meant. That's not how that was supposed to come across. Or they edited that wrong. Was there anything particular that you felt you wanted to clear up before we let you go?

[Clayton Eckhart]

So basically, like, after Rachel and I broke up, or like, I was sorry before that. Like, when I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this. I went on, yeah, I won the kissing challenge. Went on a date with Sandy that night. That whole conversation was very friendly and cordial between the two of us, which I'll just say it didn't come across that way. But there was nothing other than me saying, like, two friends talking and being like, hey, I need to do this. And I hope what I said was, I hope that there's four men on the board tomorrow, because the only way that I feel I can make this right is by basically putting her on a date and not. And taking myself out of the house. Then she asked me, well, what happens if there's women on the board? And I said, well, I don't know. I suppose that maybe I'll put myself on a date. So, okay, the first part wasn't. Wasn't shown. And I think that matters, in my opinion, because on one end, it looks like I was like, yeah, I hope there's girls on the board tomorrow. I'm gonna pick the girls. And it's like, that's not the way that it went. It was like, hey, I. I hope there's men on the board. And then STANDI asked me, well, what if it's women? And that's. That was, you know, the part that people saw. But I think that matters. I'm like, on one end, it looks like I was hoping for some, you know, for women so I could move on and just, like, screw her. When the reality was I was like, hey, I hope it's men. I. I've made a mistake. I need to, like, make do right by her.

[Connor]

If that conversation was just strictly friends between you and Sandy, why ask her to match with you?

[Clayton Eckhart]

I can only speak on what I experienced.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, Understood. I think it matters less, honestly, than we talked all the other stuff.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Camera. And you're right. I think, of course, my emotions had the best me. That's why I originally canceled this interview on Saturday. I was pissed watching. Watching it with everybody else. And I was pressing pause. I'm like, there's no way.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, because to me, like, that says whatever. Whatever you lived and whatever it was shown. And like, again, like, with. With reality TV, you know, you're spending a whole day. There's 50 characters or whatever, and it's all condensed into one hour of footage following stories. Right? So, like, sometimes there's an emphasis to, like, make a point on a. On a moment. And I think the point that really, like, I think all of us are trying to. Are focusing on it and why our latter questions is like, again, just your thought process the night of running into Rachel and all the things that you said to her to get her to match and what comes across the next day is, you know, a kind of sense of it's not that big deal, or you didn't totally understand the emotional severity or the potential risk that you might be causing someone. And I think that part with Sandy is this kind of an emphasis on, like, what's the big deal? And it was.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Right. Yeah, it's where, like, I. Where I place emphasis versus somebody else. Absolutely. And look, this is what I will say. Watching it, I am not surprised. People are mad at me. I watched it and I was like, yeah, that doesn't look as great as what I hoped it would have. So I am not upset with people, and that's why my comments are open and people are tearing into me and I'm like, look, I understand. I get it. I'm just trying to. I did what I thought was best, and that's all I can do. And I stand by that. So I. You know, it's just. It is what it is. I mean, I Have an opinion. And these are my opinions today. I gave them to you. You can take them, you can leave them. It doesn't make a difference. I'm just. There was certainly nuance, but reality television isn't really a place where nuance exists. They only have so much time to show.

[Connor]

One last question before we let you go, Clayton, because I know you got to get out of here, but you. You thought everything Rachel said was fair on the show. Why unfollow her after listening to our episode with her?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Because there were some things said her and I basically made up. The next day. I apologized to her. She apologized. That wasn't shown. And we made amends. We ended up hanging out, like, a day or two once production ended, you know, at the resort, and then we did pickups. And one of the things that she said, which was aired, the part about Clayton, you know, I want. I'm looking for a man that's kind and takes care of me. The opposite of Clayton. That was said after her. And I made amends, and I didn't like that, to be honest with you.

[Nick Viall]

I thought.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I thought we were cool, like. And then you go ahead and take a shot at me on camera two days later. That bothered me, and I just felt like. I felt like. I was like, you told me one thing, but then when it comes time and the camera's back in your face, you. You took an unnecessary shot. So I just. I just didn't like that. And I'm like, look, your words do hurt me. People are going to side with you when you say that, and they're going to say, yeah, he sucks. So that was why.

[Nick Viall]

Fair enough. Okay. Clayton, I appreciate you taking the time. I know this isn't always easy, but I think you definitely mean well, man. And, you know, I don't know, I'll still bid on you over Daniel. You know.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I appreciate you guys for letting me voice, you know, the way that I feel. And again, like, you don't have to agree with everything, but I do genuinely appreciate the respect that you give me to at least voice it again. You don't have to agree with me at all. Nobody has to. I'm still a work in progress. I'm still trying to be better. And clearly, I can take this experience and. And grow from it as I should and will.

[Nick Viall]

All right. You selling houses these days? You want to plug your real estate business?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, the real estate's popping right now. I'm selling the solar panels. I got a documentary, a docu series on the way A podcast series over the whole paternity scandal, which will give people some background info on all the crazy craziness behind there. So there's a lot of things churning right now.

[Nick Viall]

How can people reach out to you if they want to buy some solar panels or a house from you?

[Clayton Eckhart]

Everything's through my Instagram. So if you go on my Instagram, my bio, like Claytonacker.com and that's where everything's at.

[Nick Viall]

All right, Clayton, thank you for your time, buddy.

[Connor]

Bye, Clayton.

[Clayton Eckhart]

Thank you, guys.

[Nick Viall]

All right. Bye. Bye. Thoughts? Feelings, Concerns? Sierra, you're quiet.

[Sierra]

I was told that if you don't have anything nice to say, you don't say nothing at all. I'm just like.

[Hannah Godwin]

It's.

[Sierra]

It's hard to watch where I'm just like, there's zero accountability. And it was just. It's everyone else's fault.

[Nick Viall]

Well, there's not zero.

[Sierra]

Okay, 5%.

[Connor]

There was some accountability. I do think, you know, he does point out where a lot of his issues or flaws stem from, which I do think makes a lot of sense. And I do think a lot of that self reflection comes from therapy. And so that does give me proof that, like, he is working on himself because he's able to recognize where certain things come from. But, you know, he also like him not wanting to tell Rachel what she said. That made him like, one. That's crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Like, like implying that she can't handle it.

[Sierra]

Yeah, like, you know, it all went to shit. After the kissing challenge. He rated her his second least best kiss.

[Connor]

He gave her a 6 out of 10.

[Sierra]

And then his intuition kicked in and.

[Connor]

Was like, I don't like her anymore.

[Nick Viall]

You think that was it?

[Sierra]

I think that's what it was.

[Nick Viall]

I. I don't know. I.

[Connor]

He said she, like, said something or. It was like, very much like, he's.

[Nick Viall]

Strongly implying that that night they talked, cuddled, whatever the. And Rachel lives in la. I'm. You know, we didn't really catch up with Rachel about, like, career plans or things she's doing with her life. But he's. He seems to be strongly implying that, like, she's still, quote, unquote, influencing.

[Connor]

She goes to the bar too much. You know, it was very much like our lifestyles are just.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And he's way too different. I'm in Arizona. I'm like, more trying to settle down. Selling. It was giving that.

[Connor]

I mean, I. I respect him not wanting to say it publicly, but I don't respect him not wanting to tell Rachel if she were to ask. It's like, she has every right to understand, like, what she said or what she did that made him have this crazy epiphany.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it hits us that he thinks that, you know, and he said, I.

[Sierra]

Wasn'T expecting her reaction to be as. What?

[Connor]

What was intense Intensity.

[Sierra]

Intensity.

[Connor]

It's like you told her you weren't gonna hurt her.

[Nick Viall]

How could. Like, we're. What? When we were watching.

[Connor]

This wasn't gonna happen.

[Sierra]

It's less than 24 hours.

[Nick Viall]

When we were watching it in real time.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And we'. Yeah. Don't do it. No. What are you doing? And this is before we thought they, like, what the hell was gonna happen the next morning? And then the next morning, we're like, no.

[Sierra]

As I said, I felt so bad for her, but I was also like, what are you doing? Why. Why are you saying yes to this? But, like, okay, I get the whole exes. Like, sometimes those old feelings kick back up, and you're like, great. You're saying everything that I wanted you to say the first go around. Why would I not believe you or try to lean into this and then to just, like, pull the rug from under in, like, 12 hours. You're like, ugh. You know, I really thought about it after I cuddled with you all night, and I didn't say a word that I was gonna not be into this. But here on camera, I don't think this is working. Like, yeah, because you did a really good job asking about, like, what was happening while cameras were off, because that would have been a great time to explain to us that there are conversations that were happening that she wasn't fully blindsided. But what I got is she fully blindsided.

[Connor]

Blindsided.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. No, it's. I. I don't get his thought process at times. I'm just glad he's willing. He at least acknowledges it, and he will acknowledge that, like, hey, I'm a. Compared to some of these other guys, like, this Daniel's a dick.

[Hannah Godwin]

Oh, Daniel is awful.

[Sierra]

Awful.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, like, at least that's what we're seeing. Maybe he's a delight in real life. Maybe it's the edit. I don't know what we're seeing.

[Sierra]

Maybe Daniel relationships, or at least in this relationship, I'm just like. Like, the insecurities, but just like, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

The whole, like, well, you embarrassed me twice.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, no, you can't sit on my lap. Excuse me.

[Nick Viall]

He's giving her, like, the. Your three strikes. You're out literally two. And here comes a curveball, and you're not gonna hit It.

[Sierra]

So get in the corner.

[Nick Viall]

He's made her quiet cry twice.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And how long have we been here? 10 days.

[Connor]

And then as soon as she's crying, he's like, no, no, wait. Why are you crying? Don't cry. Don't.

[Sierra]

What are you.

[Connor]

Why are you crying?

[Sierra]

When he said, there's nothing to be crying over right now, and I was just like, you don't get to say that. What do you mean?

[Connor]

You're yelling at her in front of cameras.

[Sierra]

Yes. That's what I'm saying is that I'm like, it's the Clayton's reaction to Rachel's reaction to everything just bothered me or rubbed me the wrong way. Because it's just like, you don't get to say what her reaction is supposed to be. You don't know what feeling she held on for in the three years that you're claiming that you're over it. And at the same time, how do you use the argument that three years have gone by so she shouldn't have this reaction, but also three years have gone by she should couple up with you. The second she got into the villa.

[Connor]

I also didn't understand the. Like, he didn't have to match with her. They could have separately matched and then just continued to chat throughout their time. That also wasn't.

[Sierra]

But he also gave her no time. He literally was like. She sat down and was like, so we're matching tonight. She didn't get to talk to anybody.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But it was like, she could have said no.

[Nick Viall]

You know, I really think there's a lot of trauma here, and I don't. I think he has a hard time seeing, which. I mean, I think all these people do. But he is. He's going in, thinking about his story.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And he's thinking about his experience, which.

[Connor]

They totally all do.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And he's obviously in the heat of the moment. You know, he's not being told to consider anyone else's feelings.

[Sierra]

I'm also like, it's. I understand the edit and things can be cut, but I'm like, you did say these things.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

It wasn't Frank and chopped to where it was like, oh. And then I added in a word here, it's like, no, this is the timing in which you said all of these things verbatim. So, like, what, are you not happy with how it came across?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Do you see what I'm saying?

[Nick Viall]

I think he doesn't. Yeah. It's just like, in his. I think in his mind, he thinks.

[Connor]

I mean, I think losing the context of, like, that whole Sandy conversation where, you know, I think that definitely, like, helps that conversation a little bit better. Knowing that she had, like, prompted.

[Nick Viall]

I said to him offline, I'm like, no one really cares about that.

[Connor]

I honestly have not thought.

[Nick Viall]

It's the lack of empathy.

[Sierra]

It was all about trying. And that's really sweet.

[Nick Viall]

That's really sweet that you're kind of like, we. The next morning, you're kind of like, I don't understand why you're mad.

[Connor]

We do have, we do have Hannah Godwin to break down the rest of Perfect Match.

[Nick Viall]

We do.

[Connor]

The Valley.

[Nick Viall]

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[Hannah Godwin]

Thanks, guys. My first time here.

[Connor]

I know.

[Sierra]

I couldn't believe it.

[Connor]

I was like, you never had her on during Colton season.

[Nick Viall]

Well, there is a story, but we, you know.

[Connor]

Oh, my God.

[Hannah Godwin]

Wait, is there a story?

[Sierra]

There's a story.

[Hannah Godwin]

Oh, wait. There is a story.

[Connor]

There's a story.

[Hannah Godwin]

No, there's not a story. There's not a story.

[Connor]

Well, what's this?

[Nick Viall]

There was one time they were supposed to come on.

[Connor]

Oh, Hannah backed out.

[Hannah Godwin]

No.

[Connor]

Hannah canceled. No, no, no.

[Sierra]

Wait, guys. You guys are starting.

[Nick Viall]

No, it's fine. We don't have to get into it.

[Connor]

Were you sick? It wasn't.

[Hannah Godwin]

It wasn't us.

[Nick Viall]

It wasn't her.

[Hannah Godwin]

It was like an Kind of an outside type of.

[Nick Viall]

She was influenced.

[Hannah Godwin]

I wasn't influenced. I was.

[Sierra]

Ooh.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, well, let's leave it.

[Sierra]

Anyways, welcome.

[Connor]

So happy to have you for the first time with no influences.

[Nick Viall]

With no influences. How have you been?

[Hannah Godwin]

I've been really good. I've been traveling a ton.

[Connor]

You're a busy bee.

[Hannah Godwin]

Actually just went to Wisconsin.

[Nick Viall]

Yes. Because you, too, also have a lake house.

[Hannah Godwin]

Dylan has in me, I guess. Does that mean I can't say that it's your house?

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

Unless you want to get into your prenup.

[Connor]

Oh, no, no.

[Hannah Godwin]

Maybe not here next time.

[Sierra]

Just kidding. Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

So I have a lake house now and anyways, but it's in Wisconsin. And Dylan's family's lake house. Dylan's family's lake house. And it's just my little Midwest summer. Hannah Montana summer. Yeah. It's really, really nice. And we were just there for, like, three weeks.

[Sierra]

Do y'.

[Nick Viall]

All.

[Connor]

When y' all go, do y' all stay for, like, long periods of time?

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, it's like summer. Like, I was, like, crying leaving just because it's like, I'm not good at chapters ending, so, like, I just have to have a moment rolling my suitcase out, like, like, looking at the wall, like, being like. Because I write.

[Nick Viall]

Do you only go once a year?

[Hannah Godwin]

We try to go in the winter, too, and celebrate Christmas or Thanksgiving.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

But sometimes we've been traveling instead, so.

[Connor]

But the Midwest is quite magical in the winter, like, with the snow and the vibes.

[Nick Viall]

It's.

[Sierra]

I have to say.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, ours is being real good. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

Wait, when do you guys.

[Nick Viall]

It's supposed to be.

[Connor]

Supposed to be done within, like, a month.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Connor]

Which is crazy.

[Hannah Godwin]

Neighbors.

[Sierra]

Very fast.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Literally neighbors. You'll have to come over.

[Nick Viall]

It's gonna be Very Aw. Oasis. He. Very spa. Very, very demure. Very wonderful.

[Connor]

Nick wants it to. Yeah, Nick wants it to be very spa, like, there. He's like, I want.

[Nick Viall]

It's a vibe.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

I will definitely be knocking on your door then and enjoying the.

[Connor]

Enjoying the spa, hot tub, the biosol.

[Nick Viall]

There's, like, There's.

[Hannah Godwin]

There's a gym, and we can spill all the tea from last time there.

[Connor]

Yes. You can finally tell me. You can tell me what this influence was.

[Sierra]

Well, you're coming up on a year of. Of marriage. Congratulations. Two years.

[Connor]

Two years.

[Nick Viall]

I was going to say that's a long year.

[Connor]

I was like, the wrong meal, so that's crazy. Two years. Do y' all feel. Do you feel like you still have a little bit of, like, wedding blues? Like, do you miss that weekend or are you like, oh, no, that was fun. Like, glad we did it.

[Hannah Godwin]

No, I'm so happy that it went well, and that was the stressful part of it. But now that I look back, I'm like, oh, my gosh, it was the best time. Like, happy that that chapter's done.

[Connor]

Did anything happen that looking back, you're like, oh, like, definite. Wouldn't have had that would have changed that. But, like, it's all fine.

[Hannah Godwin]

For sure. For sure.

[Nick Viall]

Dylan.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Dylan was the issue. Married someone else.

[Hannah Godwin]

I'm trying to think, like, none of our guests had any photos taken of them, and I was like, I should have had something, like, set up for them or, like, a photographer for them because they all looked so beautiful and so great, like, coming down the stairs and stuff like that. And we didn't. I just.

[Connor]

You didn't think about that.

[Hannah Godwin]

It was selfish.

[Connor]

You're like my dad.

[Hannah Godwin]

I just didn't think about it.

[Nick Viall]

Our wedding photos, I definitely brush through.

[Connor]

Yeah. The friends and family.

[Nick Viall]

I was like, yeah, whatever.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, Next.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, yeah, we look good.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I definitely look back at some things, and I'm like, oh, I probably would have changed.

[Nick Viall]

What would you have changed? Excuse me.

[Connor]

I mean, I got, like, out of a car. I had someone, like, bring me down in a car, and I got out of the car, like, holding river, and we had what I envisioned in my head to be, like, these really big. We were on this farm, so there really was, like, no way for me to, like, have this big reveal. So I was like, oh, can we, like, put some doors or something that I can just, like, be behind? The doors were definitely, like, smaller than what I had envisioned. And so when I got out of the car, no one like, fluffed my dress. So when I started to walk down. Yeah. So finally I get up to where Nick is, and I, like, turn around. I'm like, I need someone to, like, where's the maid of honor? Someone? Because no, we had no one up there with us. Like, everyone was. Was in seats. I was like, someone's gotta fix my dress. So we, like, paused the ceremony and, like, my maid of honors came and, like, fixed my dress. And then I was like, wait, sorry. Also my veil. And they're like, okay, we're coming back. So we had a couple of, like, intermissions. Cause I was like, we. This has to be.

[Nick Viall]

Which was memorable.

[Connor]

It was.

[Hannah Godwin]

Which, by the way, that's a way better scenario than looking back and being like, oh, my gosh, my dress and.

[Connor]

My veil were that crazy. Exactly. I was very glad I did that.

[Nick Viall]

I, like, I wouldn't have changed anything.

[Hannah Godwin]

I was also just thinking, and I wonder what you guys did in. In this space. It just sounds so silly. But it is what it is with posting it. Did y' all post stuff that weekend? Weekend, or did you hold.

[Connor]

No, we. Well, like, we didn't do any, like, I didn't have any, like, tick tock trends or any of, like, that stuff that I did. We posted, like, we had posted, like, we posted the night. So, like, our welcome. We posted because we wanted our guests to, like, be able to post and not be like, oh, wait, don't post her. She hasn't shown her dress yet. You know, so like, we post it day of, and then, like, kind of just left our phones, forgot about it. So we weren't, like, in real time posting stories or anything like that. I. We probably should have had someone, like, hired to do that. But we honestly, we got some content up.

[Sierra]

We got.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, yeah, but that's impressive that that's something that, like, I look at other rides and stuff, and I'm like, should I have just, like, gone fully, like, dark on Instagram or whatever? Is this such an annoying conversation? It is what it is. But, like, I should have just gone dark so that I, like, enjoyed the moment maybe. And then after went for it because I literally went from wedding, like, I was still definitely drunk from the night before, like, at the wedding the next morning, going through photos that I have to send over to get approved or, like, like, doing my stories and, like, stuff like that. Because I'm like, well, I already started. Like, I've got to kind of keep it going. But I put that pressure on myself. But I also, like doing that but it was just. That was a little stressful. And somebody. Since there was a time change, I guess they're, you know, over there. It was, like, 10 hours difference or whatever than over here. We were kind of living in this, like, la la land. And then the next morning was, like, by, you know, 4pm over there is when we have to send everything to get approved or whatever. And so we were, like, fully working. But every single person in the wedding, they were like, yeah, if you guys could just hold from posting till tomorrow so everybody can enjoy the moment. Like, whatever. But there was one person who leaked our wedding, which is just so funny. And we joke with him about it now. Yes. And, like, Jason Oppenheim. Where's the camera? Jason Oppenheim, if you're listening to this, is this the camera? Yeah, there's a camera somewhere.

[Connor]

That camera.

[Hannah Godwin]

I love you so much, and you should know better. This is a funny joke. So he was in. Quick story time. He was in Greece, and he was like, yeah, I might be able to make it to your wedding. We're like, might, like, okay, whatever. It's like, whatever. We're at the dinner table. Like, I'm in my wedding dress. Dylan's in his, like, wedding outfit. And he texted Dylan. Dylan just so happens to check his phone. And he was like, hey, can I, Like. Like, any chance? Like, there's room? Like, we just want to come celebrate with you guys. It was, like, a sweet gesture. And Dylan was like, yeah, man, sure. Like, whatever. But it's, like, 45 minutes outside of Paris. They're on a train from Greece or something like that. Maybe a plane. I don't know. And Joel's like, can Jason come? I was like, I mean, yeah, sure, whatever. So he shows up and he's in.

[Nick Viall]

Like, he wasn't even invited. And he's.

[Hannah Godwin]

No, he was invited. He just said he couldn't come.

[Nick Viall]

But he didn't rsvp.

[Hannah Godwin]

He didn't rsvp. I'm also not super traditional with that kind of stuff. I'm like, it's a fun party. We're all the way out here.

[Nick Viall]

Sure. If y' all are around, some people would lose their minds for sure. None of us.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Hannah Godwin]

I. Yeah, love.

[Nick Viall]

We definitely had overflow.

[Connor]

What did he show up in?

[Hannah Godwin]

So he showed up, you know, party.

[Nick Viall]

Was it black tie?

[Hannah Godwin]

So our wedding was black tie and.

[Nick Viall]

All neutrals, which matters.

[Connor]

And all neutrals.

[Sierra]

So he and I.

[Nick Viall]

And I. Because I. That's all. That was my. That was my only wedding request, really.

[Connor]

Nick wanted it.

[Nick Viall]

I wanted Black tie. I wanted tuxedo.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, I like it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And I had a friend show up in a navy suit.

[Sierra]

Well, buckle up.

[Hannah Godwin]

Jason shows up from Mykonos. We're like, woo, linens, fully linen. Like, ready, ready to party. And at this point, we had already done dinner, so dinner was done. The drinks are flowing. Like, people are on the dance floor. He brings a date. Nice to meet you. Yep. I'm getting married today. What's up? Like, so nice to meet you. What's your name?

[Nick Viall]

She does it.

[Hannah Godwin]

Whatever.

[Nick Viall]

The date does it.

[Hannah Godwin]

Well, we. No, no.

[Connor]

She just met his date for the first time at her wedding.

[Hannah Godwin]

So we show up and Jason. I can't believe I'm making this about him right now, but it's just funny. He shows up and Dylan's like, yo, I have an extra jacket. Because he had a jacket change. Goes up to the room, dresses Jason Oppenheim in his wedding suit.

[Connor]

Oh, my God.

[Hannah Godwin]

It. It fit how you would expect.

[Connor]

It was giving over.

[Sierra]

It worked.

[Hannah Godwin]

He's strong, so. But they made it work.

[Connor]

Like, it was like tailcoat.

[Nick Viall]

No one's questioning his shoulder width.

[Hannah Godwin]

No, it was.

[Sierra]

Well, the pants.

[Hannah Godwin]

We could pull up photos or something. There's gotta be a photo. Actually, my photographer didn't take photos of my guest, so we might not have.

[Sierra]

There's no photos anywhere.

[Hannah Godwin]

But you know who did take a photo? The only person who missed that beginning thing of don't post photos during the wedding is the person with maybe the largest following that ended up joining, and it's Jason Oppenheim. The fireworks show's happening. Fireworks are going off. It's beautiful. I'm like in my dress, like, having my moment. It's the parent shop, like, literally. And Jason Oppenheim thinks it's beautiful too, which he should.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

Takes a video fully of it.

[Sierra]

Oh, ding.

[Hannah Godwin]

Posted a story. Nobody has any clue because we're all, like, partying. Like, there's not great service. Whatever. The next morning, there's all these articles of Hannah and Dylan's wedding leaked. Like, Jason Oppenheim linked it. And I was like talking to Dylan's cousin. They're like, honestly, if anybody leaked it, at least to Jason, and it's just hilarious. And it's. He got us the sweetest gift from it. We still make fun of him. He actually feels bad about it.

[Sierra]

It's a gift.

[Hannah Godwin]

A really nice Irma's blanket. So it was a really nice gesture. And it's beautiful. It's in our bedroom now. It's great, but it's just Kind of.

[Connor]

A funny story now, but it would be Jason.

[Hannah Godwin]

And that's the only person who posted from our wedding.

[Nick Viall]

Didn't. It's a funny DAR Kind of do that at Wells and Sarah's, but for me, thank you.

[Hannah Godwin]

Andy was wearing Dylan's suit, literally.

[Connor]

And he was wearing.

[Sierra]

We love you, Jason Su.

[Nick Viall]

Always the most famous one to do it.

[Sierra]

Yep.

[Connor]

He.

[Hannah Godwin]

He did miss the memo. He. He missed the memo.

[Sierra]

Anyways, rules don't apply.

[Nick Viall]

Well, you are also watching the Perfect Match.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

In the Valley.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

What do you think? Well, I mean, obviously Clayton and. And. And. And Rachel have been, you know, front and center of the storyline. We just had the opportunity to talk with Clayton. I'm just curious, like, what. What have you been enjoying Perfect Match? Were you. Is. Were you.

[Connor]

Was Jaw on the floor?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Were you. Were you gagging, screaming, crying for Rachel when. When Clayton had his intuition pop up again?

[Hannah Godwin]

Yes. So I'm a new Perfect Match watcher. I saw that Rachel, and I'm friends with Rachel was on it, and I was like, I've got to see what's going on, and I've actually really been enjoying it. I told my mom to watch it, and she's, like, the biggest reality guru, and I was like, you've got to watch this. Like, the storyline and the way they set things up, like, it's just. I don't know, it's really interesting. What's funny? And, I don't know, has any bachelor people been on Perfect Match?

[Connor]

First time.

[Hannah Godwin]

Was this the first time that feels like that mean girls quote where it's like, seeing your teacher outside of the classroom or whatever. Like, it feels like that a little bit.

[Connor]

It was a little weird, for sure.

[Hannah Godwin]

But I like it. But I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, the dynamics are just different.

[Connor]

Like, yeah, it's funny to see, like, the. The Netflix people, like, the too hot to handle in challenges versus, like, Rachel in challenges where she's just a little like, oh, I don't. Or should we be kissing right now? I don't know.

[Nick Viall]

And the two Hannah people are like, I'm gonna love bomb the shit out of these.

[Connor]

You're like, I have a vibr. Vibrating anal glands. Beads or something.

[Sierra]

Literally.

[Nick Viall]

And Rachel's like, I'm just here for the right reasons.

[Connor]

Vibrating their anal glands.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yes. Yes, that's exactly what's happening. And even during the makeout challenge or whatever, like, I'm like, oh. Like, I feel like bachelor kind of needs to be protected in a little bit just because they're I don't know if it's like, the kids at school with, like, different lunch tables, but, like, the Love island people are definitely, like, they're going to cool parties. Like, they're using, maybe.

[Connor]

No, for sure. You know, they're stealing their mom's alcohol.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, they're doing that. And then you have Bachelor, where they're just, like. You can tell they're trying to kind of break this, like, perfect. Like, please just don't let me get canceled. Please just don't let me, like, rocking back and forth kind of narrative versus, like, the Love island people are like, whatever. Like, they're, like, so chill and relaxed.

[Connor]

It's like you want to be like, oh, they're not kissing.

[Sierra]

Good.

[Connor]

Because, like, they're from the Bachelor. Like, they are good kissers, but they're just nervous right now.

[Nick Viall]

Like, Love island people are used to having buttholes in their face while making out.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, exactly. So the dynamic has been. I've liked seeing them on it, and I feel like they're kind of, like, opening up and, like, getting out of their shell a little bit. But Rachel shouldn't have to go through this thing again with Clayton. To answer your question, it was crazy. No, it's insane.

[Nick Viall]

Clayton, when we interviewed him, he said he was surprised by Rachel's. How did he say?

[Connor]

Intensity.

[Nick Viall]

Intensity. Her reaction the next day. He thought it was a little too intense.

[Hannah Godwin]

I think that tracks based off of what he, like, tracks in terms of how he has been responding to things. He's kind of in his own La La land.

[Connor]

He also said that she had, like, said something or he alluded to, like, him finding out something that, like, really turned him off. And he wasn't comfortable telling Rachel or the public what that was. So we're all at a little bit of loss. We're all confused.

[Nick Viall]

It was giving, like, she wants to party and I don't.

[Connor]

It was giving, like, maybe, I don't know, her breath stunk or something. And he's like, I just can't tell her. Like, she will take it as such an attack. I can't. It can't come for me. He was like, I honestly want to tell someone close to her, oh, what?

[Nick Viall]

I feel like it's giving. He thinks that she cares what people think, and he does. Does. Doesn't. Kind of.

[Hannah Godwin]

I think that she's kind of going into that, like, Love island energy realm, and he's still stuck in, like, perfect La La land.

[Nick Viall]

I really enjoy talking to Rachel because, like, Rachel came, like, when, you know, Rachel and I Had a bit of fun because, like, when. Obviously when Rachel's the Bachelorette is, you know, like, we cover this as a show and we understand, like, we're. We might say things that, like, rub people the wrong way or they don't appreciate our commentary on the show. And, like, we. We totally get that. And obviously, I think Rachel, like, you know, I've said some things.

[Connor]

She hated Nick.

[Nick Viall]

She hated. She absolutely hated Nick. 100%. Yeah. But then she came on wonderfully when she went on Bachelor in Paradise, and we had a lovely conversation, and we.

[Connor]

They've made up.

[Nick Viall]

We buried the hatchet. And then Rachel came in this time kind of like, just more like, you know what? Fuck, I'm on reality tv.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, just like, this is not that serious. I'm doing tv. I might have some critics. She was, like, just willing to, like, like, make fun of herself, like, just be fun. And it was such a 180 from, like, just how earnest Rachel was, like you said. I think a lot of it is just coming from Bachelor Nation, where it's just like, you are just. You better not be there for the wrong reasons.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

Because if you are, like, you will feel the wrath and I just the emo. I felt like. It's ironic because, like, Clayton's talked so much about this emotional journey he's on, emotional maturing. Suggested to Rachel that they are both like, a better version of themselves, and then kind of implied to us that maybe he found that she wasn't. But, like, again, seeing and talking to Rachel, just her more kind of carefree approach to me screams more like, she's really matured, you know, like, because you really. Just to do you.

[Connor]

You.

[Nick Viall]

You can't take yourself that seriously in this world.

[Hannah Godwin]

Right.

[Nick Viall]

If you want to keep doing it, you know, because if. If, like, I totally empathize with Clayton, but if. If. If your goal to come back on reality TV is to, like, show people who you really are, you're in trouble.

[Connor]

You're not in charge of that edit, and those people don't give a fuck.

[Nick Viall]

You go ahead and just keep posting.

[Hannah Godwin]

Correct.

[Nick Viall]

Just keep posting and keep dancing and keep doing your thing.

[Hannah Godwin]

Dancing. Yeah.

[Sierra]

He's.

[Connor]

He's. He's better off at doing a bunch of just, like, Instagram lives than going on reality TV to show who he really is, you know?

[Hannah Godwin]

Know, I. I think so, too. I think just showing a little glimpse of who you are is sometimes that's the move, and it's like, you have control over that. It's great. I will Say, though I don't. I never really liked them two together. And not saying even before, like when it was the season, I think. And I maybe just because I know Rachel, not saying that either of them are like, I just don't know if I see the compatibility and I feel like they just had a little bit of a comfort kind of thing. But I'm like, Rachel, I feel like you want something so different. Somebody who's like exploring and like, you know, going out into the world. She loves to travel, like all these things. And then. Well, I don't know Clayton. So I don't really know what he wants, but I think it's different than what Rachel wants.

[Connor]

It could be a little bit different.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah.

[Connor]

What are your thoughts on Daniel and how he handles, you know, some of the issues that arise with Lucy?

[Nick Viall]

How does being triggered.

[Connor]

Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. He's the one who like, he gets.

[Hannah Godwin]

Like, I know, I know these people.

[Connor]

I'm so bad names that guy.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Connor]

He gets like mad at her a.

[Nick Viall]

Lot for being embarrassed.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

Okay. With her laughing.

[Connor]

That was the second time. Yeah. Talking like, you're talking too loud. You're laughing. You're doing too much.

[Hannah Godwin]

I. That's a major red flag immediately. What? So she's going to be laughing with your friends and all of a sudden you kind of feel jealous or something.

[Connor]

It's like she finds other people funny. Like, that's okay, right?

[Hannah Godwin]

This is okay. And I don't feel like she was giving anything more than it was like a conversation where she's just laughing out loud.

[Connor]

But what was crazy is like her being like, well, can I, can we have a conversation? Can I like explain to you what. Because like they're laughing at the fact that he has the same birth date as her very, very toxic ex boyfriend and like, oh, haha, he, he. And he's like, no, it's not a conversation. It's like, done deal. You shouldn't be laughing that loud with another man.

[Sierra]

We're also like, what, 10 days into a dating show, Right? So I'm like, if she wants to have a conversation, she should be allowed to have a conversation.

[Connor]

And switch up when she starts crying and gets up. And he's like so manipulative. Like the hug, it's so toxic. Me like, wait, wait, wait. No, I'm really, I'm sorry.

[Hannah Godwin]

He was wanting that out of her. Like you. I think that's some like, how some people do relationships. It's like they want to create like, you know, a little bit of like toxic energy.

[Connor]

A little bit.

[Hannah Godwin]

And then they want to be able to solve it. So, yeah, it makes them come closer together. And she's probably like. Or I hope she's like, what the hell is this guy doing? Like, recognizing that pattern. I don't think he's a bad person, but I can tell, like, he keeps falling into that, like, dynamic, which is I am not here for it. And I'm like, you're doing that with.

[Sierra]

Cameras 10 days in, you're making her cry multiple times. And it's like, for what?

[Hannah Godwin]

For laughing.

[Sierra]

Know anything about her?

[Nick Viall]

Well, I think what you're. It's weird because, like, I'm watching this and I'm also. I'm like, you know, it's easy to be critical and watch it and kind of like, like. And I'm always like, what was I like when I was in my early 20s? Like, if I were to come on a show like this, right? And. And. But you're also like watching Bachelor in Paradise, like, that thing, like Brian and even Jeremy. It's like a lot of these men are very much giving. Like, when it's not about them, it's always like, what's the big deal? I don't. Like what. What is? Like, nothing's. That. Nothing's that serious. It's not a big deal. But when they. When it's emotionally about them and they're like, they turn into the emotional babies, biggest babies. Like, it's. It's. It's like there's this lack of self awareness about, like, I guess being empathetic about what it is to be in someone else's shoes. But boy, it's like. It's like these young men and now are in this climate of, you know, be more vulnerable, go to therapy, talk about your feelings. And they're like, subscribing to that, but, like, completely checking out when it's. They feel so validated to talk about their feelings or like, that they get.

[Sierra]

To use some sort of jargon that, like, explains it. But at the same time, it's like, no, you're just being reactionary. You're not even listening or, like, trying to have a conversation.

[Nick Viall]

It's my boundary. You're not supposed to laugh at me.

[Sierra]

You know, I'm being brutally honest with you right now. And it's like, bro, we get that. Yes, but there's no empathy. You don't want to understand where I'm coming from. It's just my side. I'm telling you how I feel. Respect it. And it's just like, okay, but there's two sides.

[Nick Viall]

It's like, they've been told to, like, express their feelings for the first time, so they feel so righteous.

[Sierra]

They got the pat on the back, and it's like, all right. Doing this every day.

[Connor]

It's like you keep.

[Hannah Godwin]

You can't expect to, like, release your feelings if you're being an. And it be received by everybody. It's like, you can express your feelings, and maybe it doesn't come out the right way or whatever, but I don't know. I. I think that there's something to that.

[Nick Viall]

He's a lot.

[Connor]

He's like, I was honest, but I said the truth.

[Nick Viall]

I said the truth.

[Sierra]

But I feel like a lot of these guys are, like, having this conversation, like, in the mirror of, like, how it's supposed to go, and then acting shocked that there was another response. You know what I mean? They're like, no, it's not supposed to go this way.

[Hannah Godwin]

I'm supposed to tell you, and you're.

[Sierra]

Supposed to take it, and it's supposed to be okay, and I'm a good guy. And it's like, no.

[Nick Viall]

Then, like, they cut to, like, Daniel's like, itm. And he's like, yeah, but just like, women first.

[Connor]

And I'm just saying, my mom raised me. Always treat women right.

[Nick Viall]

Meanwhile, this is like, cutting from yelling at her.

[Sierra]

Yeah. For laughing too loud. It's like another man.

[Hannah Godwin]

If you have.

[Nick Viall]

This is the second time you embarrass me, there will not be a third.

[Sierra]

Literally.

[Nick Viall]

Why are you crying exactly?

[Hannah Godwin]

If you have to say, I do this because this. I have to do this.

[Sierra]

I.

[Hannah Godwin]

This is where I came from. Blah, blah. I, like, just show what you're doing instead of telling it. And that's usually kind of when you see, like, oh, like, maybe they're just saying this to make them feel like they're the lie.

[Sierra]

Doesn't have to tell you that they're a lie. And it's like, you don't have to tell me. You're an understanding person. Be an understanding person. But, like, if I have to explain to you why your words hurt my feelings, and then you tell me I'm wrong for having that reaction. Here we are.

[Connor]

We did have an interesting wrench being thrown in with Lucy and Daniel going to the boardroom and then being like, okay, like, who's the most compatible? And then putting AD and Madison and Freddie as most compatible, and then they're being like, okay, those two have to go on dates. And then they have the other person in the couple has to go home.

[Nick Viall]

Loved it for Madison and Freddie.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Hated it. And Ollie, I mean, because, like, they're with child.

[Sierra]

Well, I'm literally rooting for you. And I'm like, I don't want to see Ollie on a date with anybody else.

[Connor]

But also mom and Dad. I feel like maybe they've had to have a couple of tough conversations.

[Sierra]

Oh, honey. Yes.

[Connor]

This has been airing. I can't imagine he remembered everything he said.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, you talk about Ollie.

[Connor]

I mean, he goes on this date with two women and is massaging them, and then they're like, oh, and like, what happened with your other. They, like, they had to go home. He's like, yeah, but honestly, like, that was so long ago. Like, I don't even remember, like, what happened.

[Hannah Godwin]

This is making it easier.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

This is making forget.

[Connor]

Huh?

[Sierra]

Cuddling with Justine, kissing her, and then.

[Connor]

Waving to the camera, him going, you're so sexy.

[Sierra]

And. And the look on his face was worth it, though. When ad walking in, I'm like, oh, my God. I need the next batch to drop immediately.

[Nick Viall]

Question for you. Cause, like, you met Dylan, your now husband, on the beaches of paradise.

[Sierra]

Can I just say, I watched it and loved it, and I'm just loving that you guys are just like, oh, really? Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

Thanks. I don't know if I've really watched it.

[Sierra]

I think it was the last great season.

[Nick Viall]

It was a good season.

[Sierra]

It was a great season.

[Nick Viall]

It was a really good season. Yeah. My question kind of to, you know, Natalie's point, it's, what did you guys have tough conversations? Because when you get asked, like, when you're lead, like, what did you do? You want to just be like, you know, of course I, like, kissed people, like, you know, and you're not sure how much they want to know. But then when you watch it back.

[Connor]

It'S like, oh, I forgot. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I did say they're like, why didn't you tell me that? And you're just like, I tried to.

[Sierra]

Block it out of my memory, you.

[Nick Viall]

Know, he's like, well, I really got up in there in the thighs, you know, and massaged.

[Connor]

Yeah. He was really all up on them.

[Nick Viall]

You know, or like. But I. I really told her how loud she was.

[Connor]

Dylan, watch it back. And then have to be like, oh, yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

So we weren't, like, living together yet when it was airing and I was doing a lot of traveling, so is he. I knew, like, the first two weeks when there was, like, you know, a little bit of chaos going on, like, I was the center of the drama, the Worst. Worst weeks ever, really.

[Sierra]

Honestly, different directions by all these men.

[Hannah Godwin]

I mean, at that moment, like, whenever all of the chaos was going on where I was, like, in between two guys, four days in, it's fine.

[Nick Viall]

But love triangle.

[Hannah Godwin]

I was. I was doing, like, the triangle thing and. But I. At that part, watching back when it was airing, I was like, I feel so bad for the villains or people that don't look great on these shows for even a millisecond. Like, I. I got lucky on my first round of, like, maybe they cut me out and I looked a little bland, but at least I wasn't, like, getting all of these, like, crazy messages. My DMs were crazy during that. But regardless of that, did Dylan and I talk about a bunch of stuff while we were filming Bachelor in Paradise? Like, during it? I don't think we talked about enough things. I think a lot of things after, we're like, why didn't we ask each other this stuff? Luckily, it was all pretty compatible. But you would think that we would have all of these conversations or a list of stuff to ask. But we were just kind of in LA la lands and we did ask questions, you know, normal stuff. But it was just more like, oh, yeah, like, our friends would have, like, love each other and stuff like that, instead of, like, life principles.

[Nick Viall]

The only way to do it is to not watch it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Like, they. I hope AD And Ollie are not watching it because again, it is edited. You can't expect the other person to remember every detail, nor do you really want. Want to hear every detail. And you have a revisionist history of what your expectations were when you watch it back and you feel a bit blindsided because they didn't tell you. Like, you. There's no winning. The only smart option is to just kind of like, even Steven, whatever happened, we're good.

[Hannah Godwin]

Let's just.

[Nick Viall]

We're happy now. None of that matters. That's a TV show. That's, like, the only way to do it.

[Connor]

I will say, like, Junior talking to A.D. the man is so. It's. It's like he's too sexual. It's, like, so disrespectful the way he's just like, oh, I would love to see you in a bikini. Oh, and we'd be doing cardio tonight. Like, we, like, you're just. You're gross.

[Nick Viall]

It was he. It's like, honestly, the first man on TV that I've seen, like, has daddy issues. Where usually it's the women talking about daddy issues and men talk about their Mommy issues. But he was talking about his dad being a pastor and how he had to, like, wait before marriage. And now he's become this, like, guy who's just constantly to trying talk. Like, he's talking about diplomatizing people and, like, stealing people's. You know, it's like, girlfriend, sorry you had to wait to have sex before you got married, but Jesus Christ, reel.

[Connor]

It in a little bit.

[Sierra]

He lasted, what, eight hours in that house?

[Connor]

And then AD like, him touching Ad Stomach of, like, our abs, like, don't touch me. I don't.

[Sierra]

Huh?

[Connor]

And even AD Was, like, okay. Like, moved his hand. It's like, what?

[Sierra]

He is just.

[Connor]

I was so glad that he did not get a match. And he was on and off, off our screens, because that man is very hard to watch.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I was like, sandy, what. What was the redeeming qualities here?

[Connor]

Oh, God, Sandy. Figure it out, honey.

[Sierra]

She literally brought that man back for her, for herself, essentially, and then was like, no, I'm Stick with my guy. Yeah.

[Connor]

I'm like, you brought him in for what?

[Sierra]

For what?

[Nick Viall]

I feel. I feel like Sandy was being a TV player right there. I feel like she was being tv, by the way, a team player for the network and just. All right, I'll talk to this.

[Sierra]

I'll be messy.

[Clayton Eckhart]

I'll.

[Nick Viall]

I'll. Because I don't feel, you know, there was nothing really there but Louis and.

[Sierra]

Sandy and, like, he made her cry, but also by saying that she's not there for the right reasons.

[Connor]

Yeah, listen, I think out of everyone, I think Louis handles well. Ollie, too, and Freddie, too. I think he handles confrontation quite well. I think, you know, obviously, Daniel, we have Clayton, We. You know, just some of these men who, like, don't know how to communicate. And I do think he's like, listen, like, let me preface this. You did nothing wrong, but these are just like, this is how I'm feeling about it all, I think, is, like, a very mature way of communicating his feelings. But I do think him being the whole, like, oh, I'm gonna go talk to her, because she's talking to him. I want to be a little toxic. I want to be a little. You know, there's a little.

[Sierra]

Telling him and Ollie, when the girls left and did their little handshake of when the mice are away, the cats will play, I was like, you rooting for you. And then.

[Hannah Godwin]

Can we get a movie night on this show? Do they have, like, a movie night situation? They show.

[Connor]

They do have AD There.

[Hannah Godwin]

Who's gonna get all that boots on?

[Connor]

The ground. She should be like, coming back to the women with like, this is what I.

[Nick Viall]

It was very messy last season. They did a.

[Connor]

It was very messy last season, so immersion.

[Nick Viall]

And there was a. Yeah, a lot went down in the.

[Connor]

And apparently what I've heard is that every man.

[Nick Viall]

The boys, Boys, boy.

[Sierra]

Don't.

[Connor]

Yeah. No one's staying loyal.

[Hannah Godwin]

So something about Louis, they're. He's UK based. Right. I feel like anytime I watch the UK shows, Love Is Blind uk, Love island uk, the way they communicate, even if it's not what you want to hear or that something you don't agree with, the way they were like raised, I guess, to communicate, it's just kind of like clear and there's not a lot of the, like wondering what they're thinking kind of thing. It's like just putting it out there in saying it. And Dylan and I always say that anytime we watch like Love island uk, we're like, they're just like getting conversations out of the way. I. Maybe it's a us thing, maybe it's just the people they're bringing on the show, but I feel like there's like this, like, I don't know. So I noticed that with Louis too. I was like, well, I wish he didn't say that, but I was like, respect for respect that he's saying. Putting it out there.

[Nick Viall]

Self awareness, if you want to call it self awareness of like in the US that you're being filmed, that you're on tv, that there's going to be.

[Sierra]

An edit, how you're going to be.

[Nick Viall]

Perceived, that you have like, hopefully brands coming your way.

[Sierra]

I also do think it's hard for people in general though, to just like, say how they feel. And I think it's a lot of like anxiety and a lot of stuff that's just like, not so much that it's here based, but I noticed that with UK as well is that I'm like, they're direct and they say exactly what they mean and it's not this like, okay, but she said that. But like, does she actually mean that? Because she kind of said it with a smile, like, you know what I mean? I feel like here we're always trying to like read in because everything's so cryptic or like, I don't want to hurt your feelings. So I really like you. I just don't know that this is working out. But like, I want to be friends. But at the same time, if you want to go grab coffee and it's like, what do you want? Are you breaking up with me or not? Right? You know, and like, uk, they're just like, listen, not feeling it, but like, I really wish you the best. And it's like, all right, that sucks. Walk it off. And they just kind of move on.

[Nick Viall]

When's the next batch come up?

[Sierra]

Friday.

[Nick Viall]

Friday. All right, well, we have another batch of episodes coming out on Friday. We'll have to see what happens. All right, moving on to the Valley. You're watching that?

[Connor]

Did you watch the Valley last night?

[Hannah Godwin]

I did.

[Nick Viall]

So dark.

[Hannah Godwin]

I did.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we have a rapid recap to. To bring everyone up to speed in case. In case you didn't watch last night, Mary has a quick rapid recap, y'. All.

[Mary]

All right, so if you missed last night's episode of the Valley, here's what happened. And if we can get into a moment of absolute misery, we got the Valley reunion, part two. Jacks, once again, was incapable in every single way of seeing Britney as a person who can exist outside the context of his own own narcissism. And for that reason, I do think it's important to point out that his lifted sneakers still barely brought him feet down, floor level on the couch. So short King, I guess for him. In a rare moment of Community, however, the Valley crew came together to honor the and mourn the loss of the only constant place of peace for the group and the one thing that Jax and Kristen Stewart have in common, which is a love of Hooters. And in honor of Hooters and their impact on the Valley, I would like to take a moment of silence to thank Hooters for their service. All right, anyway, we've got Janet and Zach still hating each other. Nothing's changed there. Also, Jacks gave a more heartfelt and honest apology to Danny for coming at him about his drinking than he ever has to Britney for making her life a living hell. But that's neither here nor there. And although I disagree with pretty much everything Janet has done this season, I do want to give a shout out to her for coining the name Dani Darko. Because it's really fun and cool, and I think Dany should lean into it merch wise. And that's maybe just something to think about for Dani. Finally, Janet and Jason decide that Jasmine's issue about Dani grabbing Melissa are actually about them. So I guess welcome to the LGBTQ community, Janet and Jason. Hopefully it'll make them more interesting going forward. Overall, thank God that the Culture Awards aired right after this because I needed a break of levity, honestly.

[Connor]

Yeah, Danny and Nia they. NIA has the tired but happy march. They definitely need to add in a little bit of Danny Darko.

[Hannah Godwin]

They really should profit off of it.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Profit off of it just a little bit. It could be like all dark colors. Navies.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Espresso browns.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

It could look like Jax's bar type, maybe. And it, like, just slanted. Yeah, like slanted.

[Nick Viall]

They should make like a superhero character.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And then on the back, it should just say, I'm sorry.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Connor]

And it's him apologizing for the 900th time. Yeah. Permanently this time.

[Sierra]

Or Jax came for me and all I got was a stupid T shirt.

[Connor]

Yeah, not bad.

[Hannah Godwin]

That's nice.

[Connor]

Jax tried to end me, I think was his. Right.

[Sierra]

Yep.

[Connor]

Jax tried to end me and all I got was a stupid T shirt.

[Nick Viall]

But all jokes aside, another very dark episode. I will say for the first time in a long time, I did feel empathy for Britney and Jax when they were talking about their child. And like, just like that journey, you know, of. Of his development early on, only to find out like a year and a half in, you know, that obviously he was diagnosed with autism. Credit to Brittany really seems incredibly hands on with bringing awareness to that community in the development around that. And then again, just back to, like, Jax just so dark. Just so. For a moment. For a moment, you know, I'm watching it, and I hate to admit it, but like, Jax, because I'm watching it thinking, this isn't this. It feels wrong. Like maybe Jax is truly is. Just has a mental health problem. You know, it's like, am I watching someone who's. Who's literally sick, Sick in the head, needs professional medical, mental health care. And we are watching this tragedy being recorded. And in that lens, I'm. There's. I'm feeling just a little bit of empathy. Like, maybe he doesn't know better. And then now he's just like, yeah, it's all. You know, and then you have.

[Connor]

Have even Britney's like, I find this hard to, like, I feel like this is all performative.

[Nick Viall]

So she said that. But then when you think of it on that context, Right. You think of it on that context that, like, Jax is up there essentially faking a mental health manic attack and. And saying what he thinks he needs to say. But at the end of the day, all where like, then you must believe that Jax, who's, like, saying, oh, I miss my kid, and things like that. But no, in reality that he probably does enjoy the freedoms of being a single man and enjoy, like, I think.

[Connor]

He enjoys, in the words of Kenny.

[Nick Viall]

Rodriguez, having sex with Hella.

[Sierra]

Yep.

[Connor]

I think he enjoys, like, the. The control. I think he enjoys the toxicity, but that he can have over Britney. I think he enjoys. Yeah. Being able to do whatever he wants and go and play. And, like, I think he enjoys all of that. And I think he enjoys having to, like, sit on that couch and like. Like, have these people kind of be like, you can still change, Jacks. There's still time. And him, like, kind. Him, like, crying or whatever the fuck.

[Nick Viall]

And then Jason falls for it. And this is like, j.

[Connor]

No. Jason and Jax deserve each other 100%.

[Sierra]

And Janet. Throw Janet in there. Oh, yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Jason was terrible.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

This episode, I'm just like.

[Sierra]

I've watched Vanderpump Rules since the start. I've watched eight reunions. I think maybe nine. But eight reunions where every year that he's. Jax is confronted with. With his terrible behavior. And his excuse every time is, listen, I know that I'm fucked up. My brain is a sprained. I need. I'm a work in progress. And it's just like, how many years, year after year, are you a work in progress? Until it's just like, we're not working on anything.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I'm going to eat my words a little bit. Okay. Here's why. There's the only reason I would defend Jason, because at least he's having his wife's back. You know, while I. And I don't agree with anything that's coming out of Janet's mouth this season, like, I at least respect, you know, if you're going to be married and just forgetting about reality tv, you got to have. You got to be a team. You got to be united front. You have to have your partner's back, whatever conversations you have behind closed doors, whatever. But, like, public facing, like, if you can't have your partner's back, what's the point of being married? This is all to say, too, like, because you see in a lot of reality TV people, a lot of people in this universe, like, which is why relationships often don't work. Because at the end of the day, there's a lot of people who. Who are on TV on Bravo, or, like, they're married to the job. Right. In the sense that, like, to. It's like, there's no, hey, our relationship. We choose us first. We're going to protect each other first. There's a lot of people where it's just like, listen, if you're married to me, everything's on the table. It's fair game. Like, we had Tamara Judge on yesterday. And like, you know, whatever you think of Tamara Judge, like, I honestly kind of like, respect how she moves in Bravo world, where it's like, she doesn't really bring Eddie on. On this, make it a storyline. She does. There seems to be a separation. Like, there's a disconnect. Okay, I'm on, I'm filming, I'm doing tv, Fine. I'm leaving. And there's other people where it's just like, everything about my life is fair game. And I'm gonna talk about who I slept with. I'm gonna talk about whatever. And if. If, If I have to disrespect my partner in the meantime, it. It's to me, that's crazy. But there's. People do it all the time. And it's like, I. At least Jason has wife's his back.

[Sierra]

I'll agree with that. But I'm also kind of like. I also think that they're both the same level of delusion, deluded. That I'm just kind of like the way that he was like, oh, All I hear is sees everybody else spending their time on camera talking about my wife. Like, what did she say? What did she do? And then it's like, while simultaneously the other cast members are calling out her behavior. She's contradicting herself on the. On the couch. And then it's still like, well, what did she do that, like, everyone's so mad at her. And it's like, bro, I do think that accountability does matter in a relationship. Yes, always have your partner's back.

[Connor]

Back.

[Sierra]

But it's also like, if you can't admit that, like, hey, you did something wrong. Like, you know, like, let's not pretend like Janet was walking around this whole season never said a bad thing about anybody. And everybody just decided to hate her for no reason.

[Nick Viall]

No, I know, but all I'm saying is if Jason if behind closed doors, he's just like, listen, I don't know what the she's saying, but, you know, but like, I'm just gonna have my wife's back. I can respect that.

[Connor]

I did appreciate Jesse in that moment coming out and being like. I will also say, like, like Janet, a hun. Like, she's all like, we're great in real life. But then watching that back, I was like, who the fuck is this? Like, at the dinner at the Mexican restaurant, when Janet, like, out of nowhere is like, trying to come for Kristen. And Kristen's like, why are you talking right now? It's like, I was glad that Jesse did put his input in because it was like, okay, it's not just Danny and Nia and Zach. You know, also, I have to say, as someone who has suffered through two miscarriages, Zach, him saying that to Janet is straightforward, just evil. It is absolutely evil. He's had all of this time to prepare a response, and his response is, I don't know why I said that. Like, you knew you would be asked about it. How do you have nothing to say?

[Sierra]

And again, I'm not defending what he said because, yes, what he said was absolutely not okay. What I will say is that I'm kind of like, we watched him spin out at the. At the finale where we're just like, okay. Clearly he gets intoxicated to a point where he's saying and doing. Doing maybe even demonic behavior. And maybe Janet's justified for that, But I do think that I am like, whatever he was saying, clearly he was spinning out in a situation where Britney was there, but Janet wasn't there. And it was like, you're choosing to bring this back instead of having a conversation with Zach being like, hey, what you said was fucked up. You should go to Janet and apologize. She chose to go to Janet, say all of these things. Then Janet's hopping on podcast saying that, like, everybody's wanting her baby not to come to. To full term. And I'm like, that's what's so dark and gross about this group. It's like, Brittany, you're supposed to be best friends with Zach from Kentucky. You should know that this is how Zach behaves. And if you think it's messed up as his friend, hold him accountable. Say what you said last night was absolutely disgusting. And I want to remind you, because I want you to know how disgusting it is.

[Nick Viall]

Just friends with everybody, but they haven't done anything to her.

[Sierra]

That's maybe my biggest gripe with Britney this season is that she's going to people telling them what her friends are saying, that trust her in a room, what they're saying behind their back, and then being like, well, I just said it. And it's like, no, bro. Like, you either have your friends back and hold them accountable and then fix it, but you, you're just causing drama and then being like, oh, I don't know how that.

[Hannah Godwin]

How that got started. I. I just find it interesting what issues they get hung up on.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Hannah Godwin]

Like, it seems like what Zach's. Zach's comment would be a major issue, which it is and was. But then that's forgiven. But then somebody, you know, sneaking tequila in the closet, that's also an issue.

[Nick Viall]

But.

[Hannah Godwin]

But it's interesting, the weight that they give these issues that I think are different weights in a sense. And they're like, anyways, like, move on. Like, I always think that's so interesting with them. I'm like, do you guys even really care about it? Or, like, what's the deal with it? It's just confusing.

[Nick Viall]

This is a father of four and you're using language. Like, they're like, they're trying to paint him. Is like, it's gross. It's gross. What they're trying to do to nanny.

[Sierra]

But they breezed over Britney saying in part one that the ring footage showed Jacks throwing her into a rose bush. And it was just kind of like, okay, well. And anyways, movement. And Danny is the devil. And I'm. How do you guys focus so much on Danny and his behavior when you guys are sitting here acting like Jax is some reformed saint doing the same thing he's been doing for over a.

[Hannah Godwin]

Decade, but Danny's an easy target.

[Sierra]

Exactly is.

[Connor]

And Bravo, like, leans into it with, like, friend of show Christina, who we had on, you know, a couple of weeks ago.

[Sierra]

Her.

[Connor]

Her posting being like, at the end, they're putting a alcohol, alcoholism awareness, like, hotline. And it's like the whole episode was Britney saying that Jax has, like, domestically hurt her and, like, has thrown things. And, like, you're not going to put a DV hotline in there.

[Mary]

Like, they added a DV hotline.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Yeah, they did this.

[Nick Viall]

They took the note.

[Connor]

They took the note.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Connor]

But no, I found it ridiculous that Jasmine is now all of a sudden finding the fourth apology. First apology in front of cameras as, you know, not genuine or as shit or whatever. And. And being like, well, I can't believe, you know, you coming to me and saying, like, oh, you're really gonna bring this up? It's like, if you had conversations off camera and y' all were good and y' all seen each other and there was no, like, any more further conversation, and then, yeah, for you to bring it up on camera, I'd probably have a question or two of, like, is this okay?

[Nick Viall]

It was her literal only storyline.

[Sierra]

I'm convinced, and this is just my own theory. I'm not saying that this happened or fact, but I am convinced that Jax did say that he's going to take down Nia and Danny. And then I think he recruited Jasmine, I think he recruited Janet and Jason. Because the way that These people still stand behind Jax and everything that he says. And it's like, we're all going to take down Danny because Danny and Nia have this perfect image, and they. And they respect each other, and they speak nicely to everyone, and they don't talk shit about everybody. So let's drag them down. It feels like it was a joint effort among the least interesting characters of the Valley to try to take down the one functional couple that actually has respect for each other.

[Nick Viall]

Andy Cohen kept giving Jax tissues when he defended Jax.

[Sierra]

Being like, it just seems like, you know, I've had him on the couch many a times, and he's. This is the most progress that. And I was just like, andy, stop it. And also, I thought it was a very inappropriate question to ask either of them if they're still in love with each other after everything that has gone on.

[Connor]

Thank you. Like, 100%.

[Sierra]

Let's not give room for, like, oh, let's question our manipulation.

[Connor]

You're giving room for him to manipulate her sitting on that couch because being like, I can't answer that. It's just too much. Next question. Next question. You're now making her question, like. And her having to be like, listen, the hardest thing I had to do is leaving someone that you're still in love with. And, like, you're now leaving room for them to, like, potentially work. You know, it's like, that's. That's a dangerous scenario that, like, Andy's putting them in of. Just, like, do you want to, like, confess? Like, are y' all still in love with it? Do you want to get back. Is there room to get back together? Could you work through it? Do you want to, like, maybe not? It's like, the thing. This is. This is a crazy conversation.

[Sierra]

It's a crazy. Yeah. After everything that she's saying and the fact that she hasn't seen him, her voice is shaking. He hasn't made eye contact with her the entire time. I'm like, all of these factors, and you're gonna ask that question to wrap up the segment.

[Connor]

And having Britney every time Jax tries to, like, say some bullshit lie. Brittany being like, no, you have texted me saying, A, B, C, and D. And then having Zach and Jasmine and Kristen, like, nodding, being like, yep, we've seen it. Yep. We know exactly what she's talking about. About. It's crazy.

[Sierra]

The man literally is trying to get tapped into her home cameras. Like, that is a sick person. Sorry.

[Hannah Godwin]

As soon as he said, yeah, I probably will still rage text you after this. That defeated the entire argument for me personally, I was like, oh, that did.

[Connor]

You've got plans.

[Hannah Godwin]

Just don't say that. Just don't say it. Like. But in my head, I was like.

[Sierra]

Oh, okay, that's it. Do you remember the beginning of the first part where it's like she's. She said something like, she's nervous or I'm scared right now. And he's like, you should be. And it was just like, this, man. There's no changing for Jack Taylor, so I'm glad that he's taken himself off the show, but, like, this is not a place for him.

[Connor]

Dark. Dark. He's dark, Jax.

[Sierra]

And also, wait, sorry. My favorite Janet. When Janet said. When they clocked her for deleting Britney's birthday post because she wasn't made aware that Britney made up with Zack, I was like, jason, Jason, Jason. What more toxicity do you need? That I'm like your friend that's being like, maybe I'm just a really nice person and I'm a really good friend to Britney. And then it's like, oh, you're going to punish her because she talked to somebody and didn't ask your permission beforehand?

[Nick Viall]

With Janet and Jason specifically, I don't know what they're making to be on the Valley, but this can't be worth it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, because, like, they're not getting the followers.

[Connor]

And now you've got a stupid line, brand deals.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, she's on a billboard with Sheena. Like, so I don't. Like, it couldn't have been that. Like, what is.

[Sierra]

I've got a shirt for Jason. I went on the Valley and all I got was the stupid line tattoo.

[Connor]

Which. That line tattoo, it's the thinnest. It looks like he's got a piece of hair right finger by accident. It's like, that's gonna keep women away from you. Like, that's your plan of. Like.

[Sierra]

Like, don't take it.

[Connor]

It's like, are you sure? Doesn't feel like you were very committed to the bit. Seems like you asked him to finish early.

[Mary]

I will say, the one thing Janet did get out of being on the Valley is that she was somehow in the crowd at the Culture Awards.

[Connor]

She snuck in through the back door.

[Sierra]

She.

[Connor]

They were like, janet, you're not allowed in here. She was like, I'm seat filler.

[Nick Viall]

Well, maybe that's how they get her to come back. I mean, she. She's a great villain.

[Connor]

She's a great villain.

[Sierra]

Lack of awareness is great on television.

[Nick Viall]

I just. I'm Just kind of shocked that she keeps showing up. I don't think she just don't know what's the point.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Some people say, like, you know what I mean? Any attention is good attention.

[Connor]

I mean, the fact that Jesse is, like, just now realizing that maybe he shouldn't say certain things about the mother of his daughter because she'll one day see them is like, now you. You. You're thinking about that because she kissed he.

[Nick Viall]

Like, because she kissed another man, like, after they already had separated.

[Sierra]

Right. And you're still trying to have your gotcha moment, being like, you cheated. You cheated. Just say it.

[Nick Viall]

No one cares.

[Sierra]

Like.

[Connor]

And whatever. Michelle was like, he was like, the one thing I hate more or there's nothing I hate more than cheaters and cheating. And she was like, that's funny, because when we separated, you started sleeping with a married woman. So which is it? And he was like, oh, my. 25 years ago. She's. She was not. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

How old is your ex?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Like, wait a second. She was married for 25 years, and then Jesse just was like, okay.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Connor]

I don't know.

[Sierra]

I have nothing to say about that.

[Connor]

So move on. Andy does move on quickly between Jesse and Michelle. I don't think he's. He doesn't really let Michelle.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know why they. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand why Michelle is so hated. He has get. I. I just. I'm shocked there's not more empathy for Michelle.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know how you can watch anything that Jesse does. And regardless of whatever you think of, Michelle does not have some, like, empathy for, like, dealing with a man like Jack. Jesse, like, just to be. I don't.

[Sierra]

She gets all the cred in the world from me. But my favorite too was. I don't know if it was Jasmine or who was next to him, but talking about his pants, and he was chilling, like, they look really cheap. And he's like, no, they're really expensive.

[Nick Viall]

N and I were talking about this last night where it's just like, you know, with Asnik, sometimes you get people calling in and if, like, someone has, like, they're dating someone and there's like, a relationship problem, it's always like, you know, you can always break up. You know, whatever your problem is, you can get out, you know? And I don't know how you feel, but, like. Because you're married, too, but, like, there are some people who call in and there are people you're. When you're married and you got kids, kids, you're stuck to a certain extent. Even if you can get divorced, you know, and to be married to someone like a Jax or a Jesse. People who are just like our emotional terrorists and that wear heels. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Tennis shoe heels.

[Nick Viall]

Like, you know, there are some people who make choices. We're like, this is my life and this is. And I have to deal with this. And there's no out.

[Hannah Godwin]

Britney said multiple times, she's like, this is a living hell for me. Like, that is. And you're, like, really thinking of, like, her actual day to day and with their son and everything. I'm like, that is. It's so dark and really sad.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Her having to be him. Being like, I'm home alone every night. Like, I'm so lonely. She's like, no, the. You're not. You don't know what lonely is. Like, I am home alone with our son. Like, going through all of this by myself. And you're like, not around. You don't help.

[Nick Viall]

Jax goes, it must be hard.

[Connor]

That was crazy.

[Sierra]

The revolving door of women apparently coming through his apartment, too.

[Connor]

The way that he's just able to excuse all of that of his. He's like, yeah, I know. I like. I like the control.

[Sierra]

It's somebody else's fault every time.

[Nick Viall]

All right, well, hopefully we got one more episode of Jax Taylor, and then we'll never have to talk about him. Hopefully ever again.

[Connor]

Hopefully he'll find his way.

[Nick Viall]

Not that there won't be. There won't be other burdens we'll have to bear.

[Sierra]

I'm sure he'll be on Special Forces next season again.

[Connor]

Yeah. He'll find his.

[Hannah Godwin]

He unblocked me so I can now see what he's up to.

[Sierra]

He still got Nick Watts.

[Connor]

Are you blocked?

[Hannah Godwin]

Less than a love that.

[Connor]

Why are we blocked?

[Hannah Godwin]

It's a very special group. I don't know why I was blocked. I think my old, like, agency that I was with, she would post me and I from gathering when I. This was years ago somehow. We were all at a dinner or whatever. And of course I had to bring it up because it was, like, kind of trending. It was like, blocked by Jackson. I was like, so why'd you block me? Like, because I don't know what else to really say to him. And it's like, me like, yeah, I'm such a different world. Like, whatever. Just funny. And I think it was just because she would post me a lot. And then so we did. Didn't want to see it.

[Sierra]

This was your publicist?

[Hannah Godwin]

Yes. At the time.

[Sierra]

At the time.

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah. So I was also blocked by Jax.

[Connor]

Wow.

[Sierra]

Didn't you go on a trip with Britney?

[Hannah Godwin]

I did two years ago or something with. With, like, the publicist that I used to be with. She brought a bunch of her clients and so I went on a trip with Britney.

[Sierra]

How was that?

[Hannah Godwin]

So I'm always team Britney.

[Sierra]

Yeah, always team Britney.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. Well, Hannah, it's good to see you.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Hannah Godwin]

It was so, so nice. You guys are really great at this.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you, Hannah.

[Hannah Godwin]

You guys should do it for a living, really.

[Sierra]

We actually.

[Connor]

We were thinking about starting our own show.

[Nick Viall]

Where can people find you, follow you, all that fun stuff. What's going on?

[Hannah Godwin]

So I have an app, it's called SETI App.

[Sierra]

She does.

[Hannah Godwin]

And it's not going to give you a BBL or like change your face. It's just filters and they're really great filters to be creative. So we have SETI app and I'm handling Hannah. Oh, my gosh. I used to be Hannah G. 11 on Instagram. Three weeks ago, four weeks ago, changed it to Hannah G. I paid for it. So weird. I would never do it.

[Sierra]

What's the 11?

[Hannah Godwin]

Yeah, it was just a big moment. Yeah, it was just fun. I said, you know what?

[Sierra]

I'm an adult.

[Connor]

You found Hannah G. And you're like, hey, babe, what can you take 11 and I'll take.

[Hannah Godwin]

Somebody brought it up to me, and so I wasn't actively looking and they were like, if you want to do it, like, we have it. And I said, let's do it. So I'm Hannah G. And on TikTok, I'm Hannah G. 11. I couldn't lose the 11 there.

[Connor]

But you know what? I need to find whoever is Natalie Joy. And because I'm the Natalie Joy, you.

[Nick Viall]

Know, two ends, two Js.

[Connor]

It's like, it's a little bit of a stutter. You know what I'm saying?

[Sierra]

Yeah, it does. That's.

[Connor]

I'm different.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it's always good to see you, Hannah. You will have to come back. Thank you also to our guest, Clint Eckhart for joining us as well. If you did not get to listen to the Going Deeper episode with Tamara Judge. It is out now. It is awesome. It. It's a. It's a. It's a whole conversation with really, really. Who is Tamara Judge? And I. I found it to be fascinating, electrifying, and Team Tamara. Check out all our amazing episodes that are out and available, including our Ass Nick episodes. We will see you next week. We got a great week lined up for you. It's going to be amazing. We'll see you then.

[Sierra]

Bye.

[Nick Viall]

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