E983 - Perfect Match w/ Sandy, Susie Evans Returns, The Valley, Hot Takes, & Love Island Reunion Theories

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E983 Summary

Release Date: August 14, 2025

1. Personal Update: A Difficult Time for Nick and Natalie [02:45 - 10:01]

In this heartfelt segment, host Nick Viall opens up about a deeply personal and challenging experience. He shares that his partner and co-host, Natalie Joy, has endured another miscarriage—their third within the year. Nick expresses the profound emotional toll this has taken on both of them and acknowledges the complexities of discussing such a sensitive topic publicly.

“Sadly, Natalie experienced another miscarriage. It is her third this year, our third this year.” — Nick Viall [04:22]

The conversation delves into the emotional nuances of coping with multiple losses, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability and transparency with their audience. Mary Sierra and Susie Evans offer their genuine support, reinforcing the sense of community and understanding.

“I always want to say truly so sorry.” — Susie Evans [09:50]

Nick reflects on their journey, highlighting the significance of their existing family and the ongoing hope for expanding it in the future. He underscores the resilience required to navigate such heartbreaking circumstances while maintaining daily life and responsibilities.

2. Shifting Gears: Light-Hearted Reality TV Discussions [10:01 - 68:50]

After addressing the somber news, the hosts transition to more uplifting and entertaining topics. They discuss recent developments in the reality TV landscape, particularly focusing on the "Love Island" reunion and the presence of Hutta (likely a reference to a contestant).

“Andy had shared a live update from the reunion, clarifying for everybody that Hutta was not at the reunion. She was there.” — Mary Sierra [11:56]

The conversation then shifts to Louis X from "Perfect Match," with the hosts praising his straightforward and honest demeanor. They contrast his attitude with other younger men on reality shows who may not be ready for commitment.

“He’s pretty direct and he’s pretty straightforward and he understands people might be upset with him or whatever, but he’s like, I’m 24 and I’m hot and I have a British accent and I’m fuck. And I don’t.” — Nick Viall [15:08]

The hosts humorously critique the editing and portrayal of reality TV personalities, calling out inconsistencies and double standards in how male and female contestants are depicted. They emphasize the importance of authenticity and accountability in reality TV narratives.

3. Hot Takes and Reality Recaps [44:53 - 55:01]

In the "Mint Mobile Hot Take Hotline" segment, listeners contribute their opinions on various reality TV moments. One notable hot take discusses the influence of problematic male contestants in shaping the dynamics of reality shows.

“I think reality TV isn’t going to be reality TV if we stop platforming bad reality TV men.” — Caller Danny [44:53]

The hosts engage in a lively debate about the necessity of flawed characters to drive drama and maintain audience interest. They explore the balance between showcasing real-life issues and perpetuating negative stereotypes.

“I want characters that have some layers, you know, that range where it’s just like, yeah, they can fuck up and make a selfish decision and then take some accountability.” — Nick Viall [49:05]

4. Valley Reunion Breakdown [55:07 - 74:18]

The discussion intensifies as the hosts dissect the "Valley Reunion" episode, focusing on confrontations and controversies surrounding cast members like Jeremy and Jesse. Nick criticizes Jeremy's handling of conflicts, accusing him of lacking accountability and attempting to manipulate his public image.

“He portrays himself as a no-bullshit guy, but he’s just been full of bullshit.” — Nick Viall [36:52]

Mary Sierra and Susie Evans echo these sentiments, highlighting specific incidents where Jeremy's actions have upset other contestants and viewers alike. The hosts lament the editing choices that obscure the full context of these conflicts, making it difficult for the audience to understand the true nature of the disputes.

“What you just said with your notes for Jeremy on Bachelor in Paradise... it’s like, you’re just trying to handle it the way you wanted to handle it best for yourself.” — Nick Viall [37:00]

5. Guest Appearance: Sandy from Perfect Match [68:51 - 98:02]

The episode welcomes Sandy, a contestant from "Perfect Match," who shares her firsthand experiences on reality TV. Sandy recounts her initial impressions of the show, the dynamics with other contestants, and the challenges of maintaining authenticity amidst orchestrated drama.

“I walked in first with AD, which was super cool. And I was like, girl, I know who you are.” — Sandy [69:08]

She discusses her interactions with Louis X, praising his genuine connection and contrasting it with the behavior of other male contestants. Sandy highlights the importance of being true to oneself and the impact of production decisions on contestants' portrayal.

“What you just said with how I feel about production... they are trying to get the best possible scenes. But if you were to be like, I don’t...,” — Nick Viall [74:24]

Throughout the conversation, Sandy emphasizes the necessity of honesty and setting personal boundaries, advising future reality TV participants to prioritize their well-being over conforming to producers' expectations.

“You have to be so true to yourself and speak up on things, even if it goes way against production, because that will actually make for better TV anyways, because that’s the truth.” — Sandy [75:38]

Conclusion

Episode E983 of The Viall Files offers a blend of personal vulnerability and engaging discussions on reality television. Nick Viall and his co-hosts navigate through their own hardships while providing insightful critiques of the reality TV genre. The inclusion of guest Sandy from "Perfect Match" adds depth to the conversation, offering listeners a nuanced perspective on the complexities of participating in reality TV. The episode balances emotional honesty with light-hearted banter, delivering a comprehensive and relatable experience for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Mary]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files. I am your host, Nick. I got the household with me. We got Mary Sierra. Are you here? Technically, yeah. Yeah, he is. Never really know. Leia is also here. We do have Susie here.

[Susie]

Hello. Hello.

[Nick]

We had so much fun with Susie the other day that were like, you want to come back sometimes? She's like, sure, yeah, we'd love it. We're going to be doing some fun things with Susie going forward also, like, we'll get into it briefly, but your ex, Jeremy.

[Mary]

Silence is definitely.

[Nick]

I definitely say that with a lot of sarcasm because nothing cringes me more than when people on this show, the Bachelor, refer to other people as their ex because they did whatever the fuck on a TV show, a conversation, or even more. I mean, a date or two, fantasy suite even. Honestly. I know, yes, 100%. Let me tell you, I have strong feelings about that. Anyway, as you can see, Natalie is not with us. There's no really easy way to talk about this, so I'll share a little bit. Sadly, Natalie and I are experiencing. I don't see it's even me.

[Susie]

Yeah, you are.

[Nick]

Sadly, Natalie experienced another miscarriage. It is her third this year, our third this year. It's. I know there's no really good way to say it fucking sucks. And so she's obviously at home resting, healing, both physically and emotionally. You know, we experienced it the first time, but, you know, you don't really know how to talk about it. But we want to be vulnerable with you guys. And obviously Natalie's such a big part of the show, my partner in life and on the show and my co host. And obviously when she's not here, people notice. And so we certainly wanted to at least be open with you guys. But yeah, it's definitely a little bit of a scary time just because, you know, for those people who have experienced something like this, you know, when it happens the first time, the doctors and everyone kind of acknowledge that while. While terrible, this is something that can happen. And everyone's just like, not freak. You know, don't. Don't freak out. This. There's nothing wrong. This, sadly, can be a part of this process. And then it happened the second time. And, you know, obviously we have a lot of amazing blessings in our life. You know, the first and foremost being river and, you know, minus like some morning sickness and things like that. We were, you know, we were very lucky to have a very. Yeah. Fairly easy pregnancy, you know, both, which is obviously just river, you know, it's just like really no complications, which was such an amazing blessing. And despite what's going on right now with us, our doctor keeps reminding us that that is the best sign of our, you know, a future ability to grow our family. But right now, obviously, there's a little bit of uneasiness with. It's not. It's. It's far less normal to have two and three back to back. And so now. Now we're kind of in that very scary process of running tests and finding out more about ourselves. And it's like this weird thing of like, you want them to find something, but you don't want them to find something, because if they find something, you know, and you don't know what that means, it's all. We're in this kind of very uncharted territory of fact finding which. Which sucks. And obviously what Natalie's going through is, you know, very, you know, I think all. All women out there who have experienced this, I've had a front row seat, you know, certainly I'm experiencing it. It's just very different for Natalie, who at the moment, when we find out we're pregnant or when we find out she's pregnant, there's an immediate bond and a connection that I think is very unique for mothers. And then obviously, like, you know, I think for the dads out there, you really just. You're. You're trying to strike this balance between being, you know, grieving yourself, but also just keeping life together and keeping the family going. And like, you know, it's. It's tough because again, like, back when we. We Shared the first time. It really. It's just like, you and I get it. Like, for the people who've never experienced it, it's. It's not. It's not that everyone cares, but, no, it's not the same, you know, And I think for people who do experience it, there's a tragedy there that makes you feel very alone. And I think, obviously that's something Natalie's going through right now anyway. I don't want to spend too much time on it. I really just wanted to be transparent with you guys because I know I don't want you. I know she wasn't there yesterday. People started to notice, already getting messages with, like, a lot of concern. So overall, Natalie is doing okay physically and healing, and she's okay in that respect. And emotionally, we're just. We're currently dealing with. With that. This whole, like, experience, obviously, has been very difficult. And this one in particular, for those of you. Listen, you guys know that as a family, we had the stomach flu and that even before that n. You know, talked about having pukes before. And at the time, obviously, we weren't ready to talk about it. We didn't want to announce it because of obviously. But when. When you're pregnant, as. As of, you know, women who know this. And now he experienced morning sickness, her first pregnancy. Like, the one thing that's. Is always the like. But it's a really good sign because, like, when you have these symptoms, it's usually they tell you it's a sign of the. You know, the. It's a healthy pregnancy. Your hormones are changing. So whatever's going on, you know, and this time around, she was experiencing some of those similar symptoms. And because obviously, this time we kind of. It's. We came in with a lot of, like, uneasiness about getting excited. It felt like a lot of things were going in the right direction. We had our first doctor visit, still thinking everything was going great and expecting this time to be different. And sadly, it wasn't. So that was particularly hard. I was very much trying not to. You know, again, it's very much. It's different, obviously, for the moms out there. And as a dad, it's easier for me to, like, not tell myself not to get excited until, you know, you feel like you have a right or a reason to get excited or it's safe to get excited. But I think obviously for Natalie and I assume for a lot of other moms out there, it's impossible not to feel that connection with your child as soon as you find out. You're pregnant. So it's tough. It's been a whirlwind, and, you know, we're trying to get through it as a family, and we will. And I think part of this challenge, you know, is still appreciating what we have and having river and life goes on and. And show, you know, we have a lot of privileges in our life, and we know that and. And feeling like it's okay to. To move on and laugh and, you know, even, like, guilt around, like, me being here and, like, now, you know, it's like. It's all very confusing about how you're supposed to mourn something like this and things like that. So, anyway, uh, we appreciate your support.

[Mary]

I am genuine.

[Susie]

I always want to say truly so sorry.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's like an out of fun.

[Leia]

It's.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Susie]

Yeah. Devastating. But, I mean, it's beautiful that you guys share with your audience and stuff.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Because people relate. I mean, I think people don't even.

[Nick]

Realize that has been the one. I'm not. It's not a. But when we share that episode early in the year, when we really. We. You know, and if. If anyone who is also going through this, our heart goes out to you, Natalie and I. The first time we experienced this, we did again, we did a going deeper episode a while back, and I was very nervous releasing that. It was obviously very great to hear. Even now, we still hear people who share their appreciation for that episode, and that is the smallest of silver linings.

[Susie]

But anyway, and I think it affects a lot of people, so.

[Nick]

Yeah. So she's like, what did I walk into?

[Susie]

We're here for you. No. Yeah. I mean, I genuinely, like, I feel like I'm holding back tears right now because I'm just like. Like, that's just so much to process. But I'm like, for you guys, you know.

[Nick]

Yeah. River really helps. Yeah. Me, for sure, and Natalie. But there's. There's just a lot of emotional questions, not knowing what to say and how.

[Mary]

To say it, and there's no right way. But you guys are going through it together, and I think just knowing that you're there for her with support, it's. That's all you can do, you know?

[Susie]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

You know, but Natalie says hi to you guys. She will be back soon, and I'm sure when she's back, you know, she'll share a little bit, but. Yeah.

[Mary]

Well, our hearts are going out to her, and I hope she's resting and everything will work out, so.

[Nick]

No, really. Easy way to transition from that. But we're gonna still try to have some fun today. Obviously, like, you know, I, you know, I guess you get better at dealing with grief through some comedy. I don't know.

[Mary]

Sometimes you have to laugh to not cry.

[Nick]

All right, we're gonna do a hard shift here. All right, we're gonna. All right, Ready? Ready. Like now we can start laughing.

[Leia]

Thanks, Leia.

[Mary]

Andy had shared a live update from the reunion, clarifying for everybody that was concerned that Hutta was not at the reunion. She was there.

[Nick]

I wasn't concerned. I'll be honest. I feel like there's a lot of 17 year old Anonymous accounts out there who are, you know, very anti HUDA or whatever. Like I'm telling you, like Love island, its fan base is. Has replaced Tumblr from 2004.

[Susie]

That's so real.

[Freddie]

I missed that.

[Nick]

Yeah. You know, like all like the 17, 18, 19 year old girlies out there, like deep in their emotions, like smart, young.

[Freddie]

Yes.

[Nick]

Women who like, you know, know how to articulate themselves. Ten years more emotionally mature than their peers.

[Susie]

Yes.

[Freddie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Their male peers at 17 and they just. But they need to get it out. And so they write online. And that used to be Tumblr. That.

[Freddie]

Yeah, it was Tumblr.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Freddie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And now it's just like the Internet and it's TikTok and Twitter and you know, who's dating who, who's dating with.

[Mary]

Who and why, even though none of.

[Nick]

Us were there, you know, and they're just in their feels. And I feel like I think we next, next season, I think we need to remind ourselves of that and stop responding to the like, you know, the.

[Mary]

Madness, the trolls who are like trying.

[Nick]

To get you to think that Hooda might not show up and they don't, you know, Anyways, glad she's there. I do think if anyone is going to hold anyone accountable because I think for the critics out there, there seems to be a lot of lack of accountability. She obviously has a huge fan base and that fan base is up there supporting her, telling her to like ignore the haters, so to speak. And I think, yeah, we'll see.

[Susie]

You know, do we know is she still. Is she still with Louis? Is that the vibe? Are they still together? As far as I know. As far as I know, yeah.

[Nick]

Can I just say, and I will get into Perfect Match later. We do have a great episode for you. Obviously Susie is here to have some fun with us. Sandy from Perfect Match will be with us. Louis X is in terms.

[Mary]

Louis X. Oh, oh, my God.

[Susie]

I was like, wait, what? Yes.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Fair.

[Nick]

Other than other. Other than Freddie, who was on our reality recap episode yesterday. If anyone cares to listen, go back and listen. We also had Brian on yesterday.

[Susie]

I missed it.

[Nick]

And we had Lisa Hochstein, also known as Lisa Hochstein. We thought it was Steen. Turns out it was Stein.

[Mary]

I swear, Bravo told me it was stain.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, I still don't know if it's Ariana or Ariana.

[Mary]

There, there. Between Tom and Tom. They both called him her different.

[Nick]

Is it vile? Is it vile?

[Susie]

Who knows?

[Nick]

Like, you know, it just.

[Mary]

Language.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

So real.

[Rachel]

I didn't know Lisa was Jewish.

[Mary]

Lenny.

[Nick]

Yeah, Lenny.

[Mary]

Lenny. Her husband.

[Freddie]

Husband, yeah.

[Nick]

She's Jewish.

[Rachel]

Jewish, yes.

[Nick]

I love Louis.

[Susie]

You love Louis. I do too.

[Nick]

Yeah. I don't. You know, my introduction to Louis was him being Huda's side piece. And then the drama of the Love island season six versus Huda, whatever that was. I don't know if it's a versus Vases.

[Mary]

Just that one took a minute.

[Freddie]

That was good.

[Nick]

But who knows? But I fuck with Louis. Louie is like, I don't know how old Lily is.

[Susie]

24, 23.

[Nick]

Okay, so he's a good looking guy who's 24 who just wants to fuck. And you know what? Honestly, good for him. And he's honest and he's up front. He doesn't fuck around. All these other guys, like this classic thing that a lot of these men do. German, whatever. It's like they don't. They want to pretend to be the good guys. They want to like. It's the internal monologue of these young men who are like, I want to settle down someday.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And someday means 35. In their head. They don't really know, right? But like. And so while they're dating, they want all the women they date to be like, oh my God, like you are like husband material in 10 years, whatever. And so they, they kind of operate in this whole like, bizarro world of like, thinking of themselves as like unproblematic men. And so when they get like, you know, when they're dealing with adversity, that's when they do all the bullshit, right? They'll kind of like, they. They the maybes that we'll sees. And Louise is kind of like, he's pretty direct and he's pretty straightforward and he understands people might be upset with him or whatever, but he's like, I'm 24 and I'm hot and I have a British accent and I'm fuck And I don't. I got no problem with that.

[Mary]

I hate that. That makes perfect sense.

[Susie]

No, I'm. I'm obsessed. I'm a Not like, not interested, but I'm obsessed in the sense that I'm like, 10 years from now, he is going to be so ready. He's going to be a good guy. He's on. I feel like honesty is like the biggest part of it. Straightforward.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Susie]

He's not ready to settle down, but, like, he's not trying to fool anybody is how I see it. And I'm like, watching him on the show and I'm like, I'm here for it. I mean, he's the youngest one. He's probably the least ready for marriage.

[Nick]

Pat myself on the back, but I've always operated that way from the youngest ever since I was like a young man with a little bit of game.

[Freddie]

An honest fuck boy.

[Nick]

I was always an honest fuck boy. And like the young, you know, when. When I was a young. And then we'd be. I'd be in a dating situation and it always be like, I feel like back. You know, I'm not.

[Susie]

The tongue click.

[Nick]

There was like always. There was always like a. There was always like, hey, before we do this, I feel like the ladies back in the day, when stuff was going down, they felt like compelled to say, well, what are we? Yeah, what's are we? I'm. You know, they don't. Internally, they want to make sure, like, I think women today even now deal with this whole, like, you know, double standard society, like, labeling them slut, shaming, things like that. So that internal, like, they don't necessarily feel empowered to like, say, you know, let's just around have some fun. And I would be prompted with a question of like, so what is this? And I'll be like, what do you. What are we? And I always be like, I was just kind of like, thought maybe some fun.

[Susie]

Just here for a good time.

[Nick]

Just here for a good time.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, yeah. It means nothing else.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I would. It was. Oh, be There was. I'll always. Like, in college, I was always like, no, yeah, cool. You know, like, you're supposed to be offended.

[Susie]

Right.

[Nick]

I think people just. They just want fucking honest, but they respect honest.

[Susie]

I feel like if you can be honest, we can respect you. That's how I see it.

[Nick]

Yeah. And I think that's Louie. That's my read on Louis.

[Mary]

Do you think Louis had a honest conversation with Hudda about, like, not ready to be a stepdad?

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. I don't think I don't. Everything I just said aside, I have no idea that's so fair how to operate in like Huda's world.

[Freddie]

Like he could even maybe say that and she might still assume that he is. Even if he's not ready, he is going to be a stud.

[Susie]

Yeah. She might not be able to hear it.

[Freddie]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Like I. Yeah, that could be. That's very possible.

[Freddie]

It said to her.

[Mary]

But.

[Susie]

Yeah, right. Yeah, but we don't know.

[Nick]

We don't know. But anyways it's. I'm sure it'll be a very entertaining. August 25th. I believe it drops.

[Freddie]

They had a dinner break. Is that something that is.

[Nick]

All reunions take a long time. Yeah.

[Rachel]

They have to have meal breaks.

[Nick]

They have 57 people. I mean I've heard of like they're covering 30 episodes.

[Freddie]

That's true.

[Nick]

You know there's a lot to. There's a lot of topics and almost, almost certainly we're going to feel like they didn't cover anything. Yeah. Because you know what's the longest. What they, they, they didn't do like a two part special last time. It was a one off. Maybe they'll change that. Who knows?

[Mary]

I kind of feel like with like Andy and everyone being involved, I think it'll be like a little clearer because I feel like the reunion last year was kind of a waste. I feel like we spent 20 minutes watching a clip that we talked about all season but didn't need to watch for the reunion. So I'm like, I feel like it's gonna be a little bit more like fast paced and straight to the point.

[Susie]

I agree though. I think that that'll be good. I think that'll be better for the audience. Cause yeah, I just. You saying that I'm like, oh yeah. We did sit there and watch a 20 minute clip. Everyone was like, what was that?

[Mary]

I will just never forget Ariana being like to Rob where it was like all of the Leah stuff and like everything that had gone on. He had like five different partners and she was like the question we all want to. Are you still wearing the overalls? I was like, nope. In the building.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

We're going to get some like never seen before footage that cast doesn't even know and then like them bringing up.

[Mary]

I hope so.

[Susie]

Yeah. We didn't get movie night.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Susie]

So that would be great.

[Mary]

Could you imagine?

[Nick]

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[Mary]

Anywho, Taylor Swift dropping a new album on her booze podcast.

[Nick]

I'm just like, the only. The biggest takeaway for me selfishly is that Taylor Swift decided to go on a podcast to announce her album. And I think this is a big moment for everyone in podcasting.

[Susie]

Yeah, let's just be real here. That's a huge.

[Nick]

But it's true.

[Freddie]

This is a really big day for the podcast community.

[Nick]

Guys. We are it. We are It. Yeah, no, we. We are the media. You know what I'm saying?

[Susie]

Literally.

[Freddie]

That's terrifying.

[Susie]

If Taylor Swift is announcing her album on a podcast.

[Nick]

No, I'm serious.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I'm just gonna put it out there. Well, I think she loves T ravis. She is a businesswoman, first and foremost. Yeah. And if she didn't think this was good for biz, I don't think she'd do it because I don't think, like, Travis needs it.

[Mary]

Nope.

[Rachel]

Dating for a really long time and she hasn't gone on the show yet, so.

[Nick]

Yeah, but she's dated other people and sound like she made cameos on their TV shows or movies, you know?

[Rachel]

I know.

[Nick]

Like, she doesn't.

[Mary]

Like, she's Taylor Swift. She could drop an album at midnight and I'll still go like 500 triple platinum just because she's Taylor Swift.

[Nick]

Everyone is deeply in love with their partner to the point they want to work, sleep, and do everything with them. Like me and Natalie. You know what I'm saying? Like, not everyone is that in love.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And that's no disrespect to anyone else who's not it us fair.

[Susie]

I feel like this means, like, they are in it for the long haul because one, it is good for business, but it's good for his business too.

[Nick]

I thought about this. Like, they definitely are going to get engaged.

[Susie]

Or they already are.

[Nick]

Or they already are.

[Susie]

Like, there is no. Or they're already married for all we know. Like, I don't know.

[Nick]

No, I don't think she does. You think?

[Susie]

I don't think she. Yeah.

[Nick]

She doesn't seem secret wedding to me.

[Mary]

I kind of feel like I wouldn't be shocked by that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and even then she could be married now and be like, you know what? In a couple of years if I want to have a huge blowout. Whatever.

[Nick]

They've been pretty. They've been very generous couple for the most part when it comes to their relationship and sharing it and like, you know, post super bowl win, Travis Kelce on field PDA and things like that. Let's just give us the fucking royal wedding.

[Susie]

I agree that this is.

[Nick]

This is. I'm serious. Like, how would this be any. How would this be any less watched than when Princess Diana and Charles.

[Freddie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

IP Diana got married? Like, how if they wanted to do like the royal wedding and like, this would be all the networks.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Yes.

[Nick]

For the. The people still watching it would. You know when like network. When the president makes a speech and.

[Freddie]

Like, I guessing might go out the window.

[Nick]

You remember when you were a kid and you turn into TV and your favorite TV show and, like, every channel was the prez, and you're like, I don't give a. I don't. You know, that's.

[Susie]

This.

[Nick]

We could do that. Yeah. Why not?

[Freddie]

The thing about Taylor Swift is I do think if she's gonna get married, like, she is such a, like, marketing girly that, like, if she does get married, I do see there being like, an entire rollout, an album to go alongside with it. Like the wedding album. Right. The wedding era.

[Rachel]

I don't know. If Danny used our wedding to drop an album, I'd be kind of like, really?

[Nick]

I mean, we need to, like, I want it to be about.

[Freddie]

But this is Taylor. It's about love.

[Mary]

But, like, if it's being broadcast, they're getting paid. And I'd be like, then you've cracked the code to the wedding industry. The first, like, to get paid to get married on national television. I would do it.

[Nick]

Well, it would be honestly like a.

[Mary]

She's not going to give charity. Like, oh, everybody gets a.

[Nick]

She would be a true trail blazer to the, you know, the. The. The influencers of the world. Like, you know when Lindsay Hubbard got roasted for, like, announcing her pregnancy via.

[Mary]

Like, a pregnancy test.

[Nick]

Yeah. When I was. And I was like, get your back.

[Leia]

Yeah, good for you.

[Rachel]

Well, Nick, don't they give you, like, the Bachelor franchise? They'll give people money sometimes to get married on camera.

[Nick]

I mean, like, that hasn't happened in.

[Susie]

Yeah, I think they have, like, the. If you. If you find the relationship on the show, I think they get, like, the first offer at being like, hey, we'll pay you this much to come on whatever thing.

[Nick]

There's something in our contracts that we sign where it's just like, if we give a fuck about your relationship and.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And you. And you want to get married on tv, it's already kind of prearranged in your shitty contract. It's more free wedding.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Rather than you get paid.

[Mary]

Right.

[Susie]

But I actually don't know that Taylor Swift, like, I don't know, it would be a really fine line of, like, broadcasting your wedding. But also in a lot of ways, yes, they're generous, but they're also, like, kind of private.

[Mary]

That's how I feel.

[Susie]

I feel like I just. I could see it going either way, where it's like she wants people to feel included, but at the same time, she is. I don't know. I feel like it's very.

[Nick]

A lot of our friends do. We're just like, we're gonna have a private ceremony.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And then we're gonna have a party.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So do the. What would you rather see? The ceremony of? The party.

[Freddie]

The party.

[Susie]

The party. I need clips of both. I'm gonna be honest.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Ceremony.

[Mary]

I'm like, I don't know.

[Nick]

Well, because, you know, there's gonna be, like, a couple outfit changes.

[Susie]

So do you want.

[Nick]

Do you want to see the. The gown or do you want to see the party?

[Mary]

The boots underneath? I don't need to see the whole thing because I won't be sitting there for that either. I never woke up for a royal wedding in my life. But, like, I would like to see the, like, them getting ready, the, like, her mom putting her dress together, her, like, walking down the aisle. Like, I don't need to hear everything, but I would like to see the, like, packaged.

[Freddie]

I want to know who's fighting behind the scenes. I want to know the family.

[Nick]

I don't think there would be. I don't know if there would be.

[Mary]

There's always drama at a wedding.

[Freddie]

There's always drama at a wedding, but.

[Mary]

It'S, like, not for, like, the people that are in the wedding. It's like, you guys have to find out, like, oh, wait, so. And so did what at my wedding?

[Freddie]

Yeah. That's what I want to see at Taylor Swift.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I mean, like, there would be, like, a million guests there. Like, somebody doesn't get along with somebody.

[Susie]

But I feel like the Kelsey's and the Swifts are, like, the nicest people is what I've seen. So I'm like, would there be a fight? Like, I feel like both families are so nice.

[Rachel]

There's always drama.

[Mary]

Nothing I was gonna say, not like a fight, but there's always, like, whether it's something between the bridesmaids, whether it's like, a guest. Kristen Doute Punching James at Sheena's wedding.

[Nick]

I mean, we had our drama at our wedding. That was. Had nothing to do with things like that.

[Mary]

That's where I'm like, there's little things that, like, none of us would know about. Package wedding video. But, yeah, like, that's where I'm like, I would want to know, like, the little things that, like, went on that, like, aren't really that big of a deal. I don't think anyone's getting punched at a Taylor Swift wedding, but, like, if so, I would love to hear about it.

[Susie]

Yeah. Although. Yeah, you're right. There's Also, like, tons of football players, so, like, lots of testosterone.

[Freddie]

What if, like, Andy Reid gets into some, like, major, major drama?

[Nick]

I will have a friend at the wedding when.

[Susie]

Wait, really? Oh, wow. Have them on the pod.

[Mary]

See, that's the thing. I'm like. I feel like Taylor Swift would have people sign an NDA for her wedding, but then I'm like, would we see it?

[Susie]

I know.

[Mary]

So that gives private.

[Nick]

You still make them sign an NDA even if it's televised, right?

[Mary]

That doesn't make any sense. It's not true.

[Nick]

There's a. We're going to show what we want to show, and you don't get to. You know what I'm saying?

[Mary]

So then that would be like. Yeah, it'd be like, no phones. No. Yeah.

[Freddie]

People living in the moment.

[Mary]

People will take photos and post anything and get. Send that to a magazine, whatever it is. I don't know. I think it would be tough to be Taylor Swift getting married and figuring out the right way to go about it.

[Susie]

Yeah, so true.

[Freddie]

At that point, I might just have, like, a secret wedding.

[Mary]

Yeah. 12 people in the backyard. A witness.

[Rachel]

Kind of sounds easier after all this, you know, now that we've talked about it. Like, I'd elope.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Freddie]

Like, announce it on a podcast and a new album.

[Mary]

In other news, we have a little Bachelor in Paradise. Jeremy is attempting to clear his name.

[Nick]

So why can't I say Jeremy?

[Freddie]

Jeremy.

[Rachel]

It's just not how you say so.

[Freddie]

Okay, okay, let's try it. In the spirit of phonetics that we've been talking about in this episode, I.

[Nick]

Do have a problem with English, so.

[Freddie]

Jer.

[Nick]

Jer. Me. Is there an A? How do you spell it?

[Freddie]

Jeremy.

[Rachel]

It's an E. It's Jeremy. There's an extra J, E, R, E, M, Y. Remy.

[Freddie]

Jeremy. I think you might have to say it with, like, the extra syllable Jeremy.

[Mary]

I really put the little extra emphasis.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Freddie]

Jeremy.

[Nick]

Not a great name you could call.

[Rachel]

That's my brother's name.

[Nick]

Doesn't make it good. I mean, listen, my last name sucks. I mean, I let my mom.

[Mary]

Nile Vile.

[Freddie]

Yeah, listen, I'm still not completely sure.

[Susie]

No, I get confused every time, you know, Mary.

[Nick]

Let's get on that. And I'm just kidding. So religious, you know, like mother of Christ, whatever.

[Mary]

Down my throat.

[Freddie]

I know when I was little, I was convinced I was gonna, like, literally. No, I. I was convinced that, like, I would just get pregnant out of, like, nothing.

[Susie]

Oh, wow.

[Freddie]

Like, honestly, immaculate. I thought it was gonna be the next. And my dad's a pastor.

[Nick]

So, like, when you introduce yourself, you're like, hi, I'm Mary. Or people like, oh, my God.

[Freddie]

I mean, no, I think when they find out my dad's a pastor and. But it was my grant. My mom's mom's name was Mary, so I was named after her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, and it just worked because my mom. My dad's kids have, like, religious names or whatever. Anyway, and then I turned out like this, So, I mean, names only do some money.

[Nick]

Anyways, Jeremy.

[Mary]

Jeremy took to Instagram yesterday and posted slides from his time with Bachelor Unbachel in Paradise with Bailey and said, watching.

[Nick]

Why is they. Why aren't they. This is the. This is the picture he led with.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Rachel]

This is the first picture.

[Nick]

Are they on their way to heaven?

[Mary]

He said, vibes.

[Nick]

All right. Anyways, what did Susie Zach say?

[Mary]

Susie Zach said, watching. The past few weeks back has been tough. A lot of what's aired doesn't show the full story. The small, meaningful moments are important conversations that brought Bailey and I closer. Our relationship grew so much beyond the 0.1% of what's shown on TV. But unfortunately, so much of the focus has been on a small part of what we actually experienced in paradise. My time on the beach wasn't perfect. There were many ups and downs, and I'll own the mistakes I made. At the end of the day, only Bailey and I know the reality of what we went through, and I hope people can respect that. I don't really know what he's asking for. Like, just, like, no more criticism.

[Rachel]

My take is that he posted this so that he could sneak this photo in.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm not sure what this photo has anything to do with.

[Susie]

Yeah, I've definitely been guilty of that, for sure. Like, there's a hot pic of you, and you're like, how can I not make this about me? But, like, slide this in.

[Rachel]

How can I, like, casually slide this in so that everyone will see it? But it's not the first picture.

[Susie]

Yeah, wait, that's.

[Rachel]

Instead, we're gonna go with that.

[Mary]

Can you scroll to the last photo? Leia? Just because I'm like, I just don't understand why this wasn't the first first.

[Susie]

I agree. That's a fabulous photo.

[Mary]

It's the same outfits. It's the same day.

[Freddie]

Do you think he's trying to go, like, aesthetic?

[Nick]

Well, we know that Bailey had nothing to do with this post.

[Mary]

No.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Freddie]

Instagram.

[Nick]

Bailey is like, the. She works in social media. She literally came on the show and says, I'm an influencer.

[Leia]

No, no.

[Rachel]

But she's good at the selfies.

[Mary]

And I will say I am a little stalker. So I went to hers because I wanted to see if she reposted it.

[Rachel]

I'm just doing that.

[Mary]

Right.

[Nick]

And she did it. She didn't.

[Rachel]

When she posted something else, she reposted.

[Mary]

Multiple cast members post that day and not Jeremy's. But I don't know, maybe they don't want to give away that they could possibly be still together.

[Susie]

Kathy, man, I. I will say I messaged Bailey. I mean, we're cool where we follow each other. And I did say, because I was seeing, like, so much of the Jeremy, Susie, and I was like, hey, I just have to say, when I was on the date with Jeremy, I knew he wasn't picking me. Like, obviously. I guess I want to be careful of saying stuff that, like, didn't air. But I'm like, but we had a conversation.

[Nick]

I don't want you to be careful.

[Susie]

I think for my sake. I'm like, okay. I want to say too much, but I'm like, I remember a conversation with him where he didn't. He never said, like, oh, I'm not going to pick you. But I was like. It was very clear that he was like, I have been growing something with Bailey. We've been. You know, we've been here for longer. I'm actually shocked at, like, finding somebody so quickly. Like, I remember being like, okay, so I'm going home, like, and that's like, that's cool. I respect it, you know? But I told her that. Cause I was like, obviously that stuff doesn't make the cut. And it's just like, this whole thing about me and Jeremy. But. But, I mean, I felt it when I was there. I was like, yeah, like, I don't have a chance.

[Mary]

I think that also adds, like, a lot of context to Jeremy's crash out because, like, not knowing that that, like, he was really fully in on Bailey, it literally does look like from the edit that he was almost all in on you and, like, compensated with Bailey.

[Nick]

Regardless of why he did what he did when he confessed his love to Susie, maybe he's just reacting to the.

[Mary]

Hurt that Because Bailey went on the date.

[Nick]

Because Bailey went on a date. But just the problem that I think everyone has with how Jeremy's handled this is he just has never really just owned it. You know, it's always like, I didn't think it was a big deal. Obviously, this show is edited, I'm sure, from Jeremy's point. Of view. Jeremy. What the fuck?

[Freddie]

Jeremy.

[Rachel]

Jeremy.

[Freddie]

I think you should lean into Jeremy.

[Nick]

Thank you. Can I just honestly please stop correcting me. And we just know who I'm talking about. And if you know, you know, you.

[Freddie]

Just say Jeremy and I just repeat it because I think it's funny and charming.

[Nick]

To be clear, I'm not talking shit when I say it. I just. I just thought.

[Susie]

I mean, did you guys intentionally spell his name wrong on that. On that post the other day?

[Nick]

Oh, no. Well, no. Did we spell it wrong?

[Susie]

Yes. Wait, you guys aren't familiar with this? I think he corrected you guys on your post.

[Nick]

Did he?

[Susie]

Yeah. Which I thought was so funny. I thought it was so funny of everybody. I was like, oh, this is. This is tea.

[Nick]

I think, you know, like when we interviewed Brian. Listen, I get. It's new for all these people. Well, he. Jeremy. Yep.

[Mary]

You nailed it.

[Nick]

Has done TV before, but, like, yeah, I. I think they all want their cake and eat it too. Right? They. You know, it's the whole main character thing. Clayton, he's going on Perfect Match thinking he's a good guy. And I think Clayton is a good guy. But like, sometimes, like, you chose to go on the show. You chose to. You know how this shit works. And he is trying to, like. I think the biggest criticism we have as fans and is sometimes when they try to edit themselves or dictate the narrative. Listen, whether you were in love with Susie or mad at Bailey, you did this shit and then you tried to, like, handle it the way you wanted to handle it best for yourself, which. And he chose to, like, not tell Bailey.

[Mary]

Yep.

[Nick]

And told other people. And regardless of how deep it was or wasn't, like, that's what everyone is responding to. Yeah, right. The guy who and Jeremy come, you know, presents himself as someone who's like, you know, we hear from his friends. He. He's like, he's a straight shooter. He's sarcastic, you know, he's, you know, he's taking naps, whatever. But, like, you know, he. He portrays himself, is like a no bullshit guy, but he's just been full of bullshit, you know, and it's just more like he's up in people's like, we get it, man. We get it. I understand, like, everything we're seeing, I'm sure some context missing or whatever. Maybe wanted to get engaged in Susie. It was like one of his sarcastic jokes that Brian is just like, deciding to, like, run with, run with and just not back down because he doesn't want to be called a Liar. Whatever. The. We, like, everyone is going to accept him and Bailey if they're really together, minus. Again, like, if he's. If he's in their comments and trying to change everyone's mind online. That's just like a recipe for disaster. But, like, Jeremy, we get it. Like, you're, like, if you. Assuming you guys are together, we think you're visiting her in Portugal. We're rooting for you guys. But in the meantime, while this show is airing and you did your shit, we're gonna respond to that. And in this post, this post isn't like, hey, listen, I up. I could have handled it a lot better. I wasn't straightforward with anyone. I handled it inappropriate. If I could go back, I would have just been up front. None of this whole, like, you're not seeing things, but, like, we're not seeing the important stuff. We get it. You weren't in the editing room, and the editors aren't picking your favorite moments. Right. You know what I'm like. That's all his posts is saying is, like, you know, you didn't get to see my favorite moments. Our favorite moments. If we were editing this show. So post. That's why you have the power of a platform, and that's why you guys, going forward, as I tell, like, every person who goes on these shows, like, the good news is, whatever happened, now you're in charge of your edit. So, like, handle yourself accordingly, you know? And right now, Jeremy's edit that he's in charge of right now kind of is the same as his Bachelor edit, if you're asking me, which is kind of like, kind of making excuses, toeing the line, you know, like, kind of like arguing, like, stupid little things. It'd just be like, yeah, I. I'm not that upfront.

[Mary]

Yeah. Yeah, I was, like, a big thing for me was. And I don't think it's really been talked about, but it was just the fact that he woke up from the nap after Bailey was freaking out, and then he came out, talked to people, and then went back to bed, where I was like, I thought he was gonna go talk to Bailey.

[Nick]

Yeah. And whatever happened or didn't happen, Jeremy definitely said, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And Bailey showed us that it was right in the moment. Maybe she's over it. She's now defending him. She's gotten over it because, you know, cooler heads prevailed, and she, you know, a mature woman that Bailey clearly is, Was, you know, got out of her ego and got out of the whole, like, well, I can't believe you. And it's the principle of it. She didn't, like, break up with a good guy that she likes because of, like, some TV mistake in a moment of, like, confusion or pass. She. They work through it good.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But that doesn't change the fact that he handled it shitty.

[Mary]

Yep.

[Susie]

And that we're processing it now. I think that's a big part that people forget who are on the show, even myself. It's like, okay, I relived or I lived this months ago, and now I have to relive it and deal with the consequences all over again, which sucks. But you kind of have to lean in and be like, okay, everyone's just now learning about this and processing it for the first time now, so you kind of got to, like, ride the. The ride with them, you know, because it's hard.

[Mary]

Oh, yeah.

[Rachel]

Share some. You leaning in?

[Mary]

Yeah. You controlling your narrative has been very fun to watch.

[Rachel]

Here's a video that Susie posted poking fun at the phone call.

[Nick]

Hello?

[Mary]

It's over.

[Leia]

I told my wife.

[Nick]

Who is this? What did your caption say?

[Mary]

Actual footage of me getting the phone call in.

[Susie]

In the Costa Rican airport.

[Freddie]

That's awesome.

[Nick]

Yeah, I. Listen, I. And maybe it just comes with practice. I don't know. This is only your second time on the TV show.

[Susie]

Yeah. I think I'm just, like, sick in the head. I think that's what it is.

[Leia]

Also.

[Susie]

I got lucky. I got lucky. I got out of there quick, you know, There wasn't a lot to work with for me.

[Nick]

No, but you've always. I mean, I remember the first time meeting you, and that was, like, you coming from afr, from that, like, fuck show of an afr, where you were, like, arguably one of the more hated people online in that moment. And you were just like, a star. You came in under, like, you got it right. And I just mean, like, there's just a level of, again, main character syndrome that all these people have where there's a little bit of a disconnect between, like, going on a TV show and just, like, like. And I'm not saying all the things are fair and right and that the Internet isn't a prick. I just think if you're gonna do an unserious show, you some. You can't be so serious.

[Mary]

Can't take yourself.

[Nick]

And I say this as someone who, like, listen, like, there's. The other side of it is, like, these people are, like. It's real life for them. And a lot of the emotions I experienced on the show were my real feel. They're all real feelings and they were personal. But you do have to learn.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

The. The side of, like, kind of making fun of yourself a little bit or a fun of a silly situation. And if you can just own that, like, it's just. It. It lands so much better with people because you're. You will never win with the Internet. The people that Jeremy's trying to argue with in the comments don't want to be convinced that they're wrong.

[Leia]

Right.

[Nick]

And he's wasting his energy trying to convince, like, he's arguing with probably 17 year old.

[Mary]

And all he has to do is just make a funny joke, make a little. Little ha ha about like. Well, that. That was a bad look, wasn't it? And it would be like. We'd be like, yeah, yeah, it was, Jeremy. You know what I mean? That's accountability and a little humor.

[Susie]

Right.

[Mary]

But I'm like, when you go into it, like, I've taken this road very seriously. It's like you're on Bachelor in Paradise competing for $500,000. Like, let's not. Let's not make this seem like it was a life or death decision and that we're all coming at you so hard, like.

[Nick]

All right, well, it is time for the Mint Mobile hot take hotline. We're bringing it back because it was so much fun the first time. And we have been doing this for a long time, sharing our hot takes. But it's nice to finally hear from you guys, the fans, the extension of our household, to get your opinions about all the shows that we are covering. All right, so we got two hot takes, and then we'll jump into a little valley reunion, and then we'll get to our guest. Our star of today's episode, Sandy, is with us. So without further ado, the Mint Mobile hot take hotline. And if you want to share your hot take, don't Forget to call 1-855-MINT-MINT TLK. That's 855-64-6-8855. Anyways, our first hot take is right now.

[Danny]

So my hot take, I'm not sure if it will get shared because I feel like you guys are kind of close with these people, but probably two years ago, you guys had Justin Glaze on the show, and this was back when he and Susie and Andrew were all hanging out and you guys asked him this. At this point, Andrew and Susie were putting out a lot of content together, and people were kind of like, you know, shipping, really shipping them together. Thought that they were the couple. And you guys asked Justin like, what's the tea? What's going on? And he responded and was just like, well, I'm just. Basically just trying to be a supportive friend. Just trying to be there for Susie, whatever. You know, whatever she decides she wants. So my hot take is that she and Andrew actually made the more sense of the couple and had the better connection instead of she and Justin.

[Susie]

Y' all are sick for this. Y' all are sick and twisted.

[Nick]

Total coincidence.

[Susie]

Yeah, surely that's.

[Nick]

We did. This is a real hot take from one of our callers.

[Freddie]

We just.

[Nick]

It happened to be one of our favorites.

[Susie]

I love that. That's a really funny hot take. I mean. I mean, I don't.

[Nick]

I'm picturing when you guys became friends, like, playing spin the bottle one day, and then like, what's that movie with Zendaya, the tennis movie that she's in?

[Freddie]

Challengers.

[Nick]

Yes. And I'm picturing Susie on the edge of a bed with Andrew and Justin. Did you make them kiss the boys?

[Susie]

Yeah, of course.

[Freddie]

I will be making that in Canva later.

[Nick]

Oh, my gosh, y'.

[Susie]

All. My heart is racing. I did not know what that was about to say. And I was like, where is this going? But that's really funny. I love Andrew. I think he's like. Like one of the funniest people. You guys obviously love him here, too. He's hysterical. But, yeah, that's just the way the cookie grumbled, you know?

[Nick]

I think it sounds like Andrew's with Alex still.

[Mary]

I think so.

[Nick]

I was kind of getting that vibe. I was getting that vibe.

[Susie]

They're so cute on the show, right? Yeah.

[Mary]

I really like that.

[Susie]

I want to see more.

[Mary]

No, hot take number two.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, I guess you put that to bed.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Was there anything between you and Andrew?

[Susie]

No, there was never anything. Never. I know. I didn't think there was anything between me and Justin either, though. I was like, these guys do not care.

[Rachel]

So if Andrew does come out single, is there any universe where it could.

[Susie]

Still happen that's giving the summer I turned pretty? It's like.

[Nick]

Giving high school, and I.

[Rachel]

Am watching the summer I turn pretty. I do need real life, summer I turn pretty vibes.

[Susie]

That would be real life. The summer I turned pretty. Like, that would be crazy.

[Mary]

Start calling me Sally Belly.

[Susie]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Nick]

Okay, Sorry. We have. I think we have another hot take.

[Danny]

Okay. Hi, Nick and friends. And Natalie.

[Nick]

I love Natalie.

[Danny]

I think she's so gorgeous. Anyways, my hot take is that Reality TV isn't going to be reality TV if we stop in quotes, platforming bad reality TV men. Because if you really think about it, the Valley or not the Valley. Vanderpump would not be Vanderpump without Jackson. The scandal of season two or Scandal with Tom Southern Charm would be nothing without Thomas Raven, Al. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, we don't want to platform them, obviously. We don't want to be, like, they're great people, but I don't think reality TV would be what it was without them. I mean, obviously we have housewives, and women can definitely step up and handle that. But I enjoy watching terrible men do terrible things because I think it puts a highlight on real life situations. I think it's so entertaining. And I honestly don't know what the shows would be without them. I mean, there's the Valley with Danny, and, like, he's such a great guy and we love him, but would it really be that entertaining if everybody wasn't coming against him and he was having, like, not having to, you know, fight for his character? I mean, obviously, it's really hard to watch, but it gave him a storyline. So I don't know. I think it goes both ways. I struggle with this, but at the same time, I just don't think the shows would be what they are. And me, Tom Sandwell went on Traders, and the man was born for television. So I don't know. I go back and forth with Jack, but let me know your thoughts. Love you guys.

[Nick]

I think that's a great take, but I have, like. I think there's a middle ground. My middle ground. It's not. It's not that. Yes. I. This whole cult, like, whatever. It's kind of an extension of cancel culture, where it's just like, if you have a problem with someone, you deem.

[Freddie]

Them as, like, morally reprehensible.

[Nick]

You can't platform them. Like, you have to shun them. Like, you can't interview someone who, like, people disagree with. Like, I don't. I don't subscribe to that. That. And yes, on reality tv, I'm not. Look, we're not. Look, we want drama.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

We want toxicity. We do. The problem I have, specifically, which is often with Bravo, is that it's only that. And there's just a con, you know, like the Jax Taylor of it all. There's no. There's no arc. There's no. It's just the same every time in the Jesse Lolly of it all. And it's like, I want at least one redeeming guy. I want, I don't want it to be like, all men are pigs and toxic. And I, or I want, I want characters that have some layers, you know, that range where it's just like, yeah, they can fuck up and make a selfish decision and then take some accountability. And then we have a glimpse into like other problems in their life. Like, all we see with the Valley is interpersonal relationships and drama within the group. And I think Bravo has gotten a little too deep into that where I think, you know, I wasn't a Big Housewives fan back in the day, but it used to be back in the day the drama wasn't just in the group. It was drama in their life, lives, their businesses. You know, like this real life drama that like people go through that isn't just about like, well, you said this about me and I said this about you, and we're all up and drunk and whatever.

[Mary]

I'm repeating what you said that you didn't actually say. And now that's the whole story.

[Nick]

And the one good guy that we think is a good guy, Danny, is like, is just defending, you know, as we'll get into the Valley, like whether he's, you know, groping people or things like that. And it's just a bunch of the, the who are the people who seemingly have no redeeming qualities trying to bing the people some redeeming qualities down. And I think that's the part that people are just sick of.

[Mary]

Yeah, I don't want to watch people that also have no moral compass try to bring other people down. And then like, that's just the level that we're staying at. I need range. I need somebody starting a company. I need somebody like talking about the struggles of, of, of raising a family or like how, how tough it can be. All the, all the great things about it. But yeah, I'm constantly just seeing Jax is in rehab. Jax is abusive. Jesse Lolly is calling his ex wife a street a. I don't even know I know the right word for it. Thank you. But it's like these types of things where I'm like, there's not one moment where you leave the Valley being like, okay, well, I'm happy for so and so. Yeah, you know, you're just like, okay, thank God Zach has a one liner or, you know, Luke comes in as a voice of reason, but I'm like, so far in few between.

[Leia]

Well, it's also, it's also like, what.

[Freddie]

Do we know about Zach?

[Nick]

Nothing.

[Freddie]

Exactly.

[Nick]

He's a ride or die for Britney. Yeah.

[Freddie]

And it's like, I think Bravo has the tendency sometimes with like the gay people, they put on their cast, like, have them for drama or have them like in relation with someone else and not give them their own, like, independent storyline. So they seem really toxic and they seem like bad people. And it's like, well, you're not getting to see who they are as people in their actual relationships outside of the drama on this show.

[Nick]

And then we're stuck trying to just decide, like, do we talk about the people whose drama is centered around the people who just are obsessed with people talking about them for the sake of talking about them, like Allah, look at the Jacks and other people. Yeah. And I don't like, that's just, that's part, that part's in the.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah. And so I, I agree. I'm like, I. Especially when she brought up Thomas Ravenel for Southern charm. I'm like, yeah, that's a disgraced congressman having to drop out of the race for a cocaine charge. Like, you can't write that shit. No, it's fucking great.

[Freddie]

It's perfect. And then get someone pregnant, you know, like, like as he's trying to have his redemption arc.

[Mary]

But again, there's so much more going on that it was like Thomas was like just one part of what made that season so great. So I'm like, I agree with her, but I definitely agree with Nick that I'm like, there needs to be balance. You need to show me some highs if you're going to bring me down to the lows and then just keep me here.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

You know, bring me back up.

[Nick]

Well, that will do it for today's mint mobile hot take a hotline. And don't forget, we want to hear your scorching hot takes as well. All you have to do is call 1-855-MINT TLK or if you prefer the numbers, that's 855-646-8855 and leave us a voicemail. Again, just call 855-MINUTIONS meant TLK or 855-646-8855, and leave us a message. Well, speaking of toxic men, since we're on the subject, let's get into a little Valley reunion part three, Putting this dark season to bed. It's our, hopefully the last time we'll ever have to talk about Jack Taylor.

[Mary]

Can I ask you, leaving the third part of the reunion, I, I honestly thought it was more light hearted and like fun than the entire season.

[Nick]

I kind of enjoyed this. This Episode. My absolute favorite part was Andy Cohen at the end where you put Jesse in his place and he kind of was like, hey, you. This is how this fucking shit works. You don't get to fucking dictate terms. I like that he acknowledged that. Like, when they have parties, this is a. It's a. It's a set. Yeah, we're making a fucking. We're making a TV show. You don't get to bring your friends to like, honestly protect you and then have like. I mean, it is horseshit that Jesse is bringing someone who then sues legal action. This person, whoever this person is, she fucking sucks. You want to. You want to come in and be dramatic and then you don't like how it went down, and then you get legal representation and then sue the mother of your boyfriend's child. Like, you're a piece of shit. Yep. I don't know who you are, but you're a piece of shit. And I'm glad that Andy, like, put Jesse in his place. And I don't know if Jess, you know, but, like, the fact that Jesse looked so small and so, like, demure in that moment was this, like, my favorite part of this season.

[Mary]

My little feet were, like, kicking under the blankets. I was like, oh, my God, I have to watch that again. That was so great.

[Freddie]

Also, also, Zach's face being like.

[Mary]

Jesse might as well have responded. Yes, sir.

[Freddie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Tail between his legs was like, oh, okay. He's like, yeah. I would grab your girl and I'd put a microphone on her and sit her right on the couch.

[Nick]

And he goes. Because that's how this works. Yeah. Wow. Is that what he said? Something like that.

[Mary]

It was something too, where he had productions back to. Because I think Jesse was trying to, like, blame production for it. He goes, that's their job.

[Nick]

Doing their job. Yeah. He's like, they put a boom mic in her face. It's like, yeah. Cuz she showed up. She walked into our house.

[Mary]

She showed up to work. Like, this is your job. While we're filming, while cameras are up, this is your job.

[Nick]

I'm going to go ahead and guess, sign to release, you know?

[Susie]

Of course.

[Freddie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's like. And then you're going to, like, emotionally terrorize. Jesse's such a piece of shit. Do we.

[Freddie]

Do we want a little rapid.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Give us that recap, man.

[Mary]

All right.

[Freddie]

If you missed the Valley reunion part three this week, do I have a rapid recap cap for you? Okay, here's what happened. Janet says that Danny Darko has made other Women uncomfortable in the past, including Britney, who defends Dani. But, like, is Britney the best person to clock a man's inappropriate behavior? Maybe not. Jason finally admits that everyone on the stage has issues with alcohol, work found in kitchen, etc. Etc. Jasmine claims she didn't make up the whack rumors that Jason takes his ring off. And Leia, can you please play the video? Video for what I have to say to Jason.

[Nick]

Whack the way that he talks. Whack the way that he doesn't even like to smile.

[Rachel]

Whack me.

[Nick]

I'm tight.

[Freddie]

Andy. I say diva question to Janet, which is, do you owe Kristen an apology for making you relevant? To which Kristen responded, you're not that important to fans to be relevant, which is Kristen. Don Draper Doty.

[Nick]

Kristen was awesome.

[Freddie]

Kristen was awesome. And he also asked everyone to raise their hands if they thought Janet was a Karen, and nobody did.

[Nick]

That was. That was fucked. My favorite tweet of the night was someone saying, when they asked, I raised my hand in my living room, they are dirty. Because, like, this. That was the definition of a Karen, where Janet kept saying, like, well, that's the definition of sexual assault. And it's like. Like, there's not. There's no nuance in that statement. And like, that's. That's the problem with someone, like, who is going to go like and weaponize, like, the definition of things when maybe that's not what it was. You're arguing over semantics and over something that is incredibly serious and then painting herself as a victim because, like, all she's doing is reading a definition. And I don't know why everyone's coming at me because I know how to read a book. Yeah.

[Freddie]

However, the most important part of the episode was when Jax revealed that his Burner Account character, Frank Draymond, is actually pronounced announced Frank Drevin, who is Leslie Nielsen's character from the Naked Gun. And yes, Jax did spell his Burner accounts name wrong, and this is maybe the most poetic way for him to leave. Bravo, RIP Frank Draymond and Jax Taylor, your cameos will live on forever, as well as the harm you have caused for every single woman you've ever encountered. Janet denied being a fan, saying she thinks Kristen has this idea that she had a good as gold poster in her childhood bedroom when we all know she actually had a poster of the Menendez brothers. Janet defended her comments, saying, Dan sexually assaulted Jasmine and Alyssa. And Zach had the only normal reaction to that conversation, which was, I don't want to be on this Couch right now. Michelle's lawyer told her not to talk about her screaming match with Jesse's girlfriend off camera at the Zen party. To which Andy was like, you think I care about lawyers? Why the hell was this not on camera? Jesse, get that bitch a mic pack or you're off the show. And Jesse looked like he was going to poop his pants. Overall, Andy Cohen finally chose violence with his cast of charismatic freaks. And I'd like to thank him. And thank God Jax Taylor will not return. What will Frank Draymond. Drebin.

[Nick]

Drebin.

[Freddie]

Drebin. Find out next season on the Valley.

[Mary]

There's also a question. I don't know if you guys noticed this. Connor and I rewound it twice when Andy asked if everybody thought that Janet was being reckless with the term that she used. And a lot of people rose their hands. Britney did this really weird thing that at the same time, she starts adjusting her strap so it, like, looks like her hand's kind of going up, but if Janet's looking at her, she's not raising her hand. It was really weird. And I just had to call that out because it was like one of those, like, she's like, it was a little reckless, but, like, I'm just a Jessmister. Janet, I won't say a bad thing against you.

[Susie]

Interesting.

[Freddie]

Britney is trying to play both sides exactly. Like Janet Danny thing. And it's a really weird time in her life for her to be doing that.

[Nick]

We don't need to talk about it, but I do want to just acknowledge it because it did make the edit. But the callback photos of Britney and Zack. Oh, the way Britney looks in the second photo versus now is that's not the same person.

[Mary]

No, she's still pretty.

[Nick]

She's just enhanced. I didn't say anything.

[Mary]

It wasn't about. I'm just like. I think Jax just really. Oh, for sure fucked her mentally about herself and how her image. Exactly.

[Freddie]

Perception.

[Mary]

Because he's sick. But the best part was also finding out that Jax did not watch the reunion. So, like, when they brought up the. The. Was it Fred Dren? Frank Drummond that. I'm like, he had no idea.

[Rachel]

He didn't watch the show.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah. Who did that? Oh, you mean my burner account. And it's like, yes, babe, your burner account.

[Freddie]

And he was like, everyone has a burner account. It's not a big deal.

[Rachel]

I don't.

[Freddie]

I don't.

[Susie]

I do.

[Freddie]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Mary]

I know.

[Rachel]

Tell us more.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Freddie]

What's the name at? You know where can people find you?

[Nick]

I do have a burner account.

[Susie]

You do?

[Nick]

No.

[Susie]

Oh, you don't now? Oh gosh.

[Nick]

I, I, it was a question.

[Mary]

You do have a. Oh yeah, I do.

[Susie]

I do. It's like, you know how you find out your stripper name? It's that, but I won't share it because like, I don't want anyone to find me.

[Nick]

Does it include a middle name in the street you lived on?

[Rachel]

No, it's your, yeah, the street you live on. And your first pet.

[Susie]

Right, first pet's name? Yeah, her name was Crystal. Let me just say that she's a freak.

[Nick]

Are you trolling people in your burner account or is it just a stalk?

[Susie]

It's to stalk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. I would never. Cuz you can trace it back to my, like some of my emails, you.

[Nick]

Know, you're not like, oh my God, Susie's the, There you go, girl.

[Rachel]

She's a legend.

[Susie]

Iconic behavior. And then I log into my next one. Wow, beautiful.

[Mary]

Thank you so much, girl. Love a fan. Did anybody else think it was kind of weird when Jason was going after Danny and he was like saying that everybody was an alcoholic?

[Nick]

The way he was so proud of himself for like admitting he had a problem. It's like, yeah, we get it. You guys are all, you guys all abuse alcohol in different ways and yes, we get it. Danny, me, I've, I've met a million Danny's. I've been friends with a million. Danny's the type of guy who like can't hold his liquor and just kind of gets a little weird.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Drunk and like, yeah, maybe he, you know me, maybe he needs to change his liquor or drink less. Whatever the point is, is like these, as everyone has pointed out week after week after week, it's like, it's just the double standard. It's the come, it's as using this one thing to come at the guy who in the like the whole scope of things seems like the highest quality guy in this group with a lot going on with just being a dad and all these things and yada, yada, yada. The way, yeah, the way Janet and Jason lie about Danny and Nia and just like are just dying on this hill to like try to prove to us that like Danny and Nia aren't who they claim to be. Like, whatever that is. I don't even know who they claim to be. Yeah, they just claim not to be like toxic monsters because like the, the way this group, the group is trying to paint like again The. Everyone's talked about this. We've talked about it a million times. It's just the energy they're bringing to Nia and Danny is the energy that should be brought to Jesse and Jax. And the fact that it's not being brought. Is this the most nauseating and frustrating and kind of disgusting behavior from this group? And we're judging these people based off that double standard.

[Mary]

Because Dani, Jason, out of nowhere, when Kristen was like, you can't say that. Like, what, do you have a drinking problem? He was like, every day it's a struggle for me. And I was just like, well, let's unpack that instead of projecting on other people.

[Nick]

Yeah, deal with your own shit.

[Susie]

I will say I feel like Nia and Danny held their own really well. And I feel like they, like, she. She kind of holds him accountable. And even her bringing up the comment being like, I didn't just forgive him. Like, we both did individual therapy. We did therapy together. Like, I feel like they kind of held their own, which I was really proud of them. I feel like they're, like, giving accountability in the best way that you can.

[Mary]

And I also think it's really fucking rich for Janet after spending an entire first season being like, I'm pregnant.

[Leia]

Don't.

[Mary]

Da, da, da. And then it's like, you're coming at Nia and her husband, right? And it's like, you the audacity. Because I felt really bad when Nia was, like, talking about that and just feeling very stressed, and I'm just like, why are you. Why? And why are we spending two episodes talking about Dani's drinking and not Jax throwing a woman in a bush? Why are we not talking about Jax wearing lips? Why are we not talking about Jax coming after a happy marriage? No. But we're gonna sit here and go, every single cast member, what is your issue with Danny and Nia on this side of the couch? Like, ugh, that pissed me off. And Kristen. Kristen envied me. Mvp. MVP of this reunion. She was shutting things down left and right. Was like, you have no right to say anything about it. And she goes, yeah, I was coming after you because you're coming after my friends. And I told you I was being an.

[Rachel]

My favorite was when she was like, you're not important enough.

[Susie]

Sorry.

[Freddie]

Sorry. The fans don't. No one cares about you.

[Nick]

Like, that's what I'm saying. You can just tell. Like, it's like. It's like, she's such a seasoned vet.

[Mary]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Like a professional. You know where you clearly these are like the rookies and they don't really know what they're doing. And like, you know, it's like Kristen's just so, like this such amateur hour. And then like when she opens her.

[Freddie]

Mouth, you're just like, yeah, finally some good food.

[Nick]

All right, well, that will do it for the Valley for a long time. Thank God. Up next, Sandy from Perfect Match joins us. Return to the show. She we're gonna have her address Mary, since Mary called her solace the first time they met. Guys, can you just sit there in that corner when, when that happens? Yeah.

[Mary]

Tell Sandy that Mary's in timeout for the last time.

[Rachel]

She called you s. Yeah, Mary's been in that corner for the last year.

[Mary]

Last time you were here, we feed.

[Rachel]

Her twice a day, but she's been there.

[Susie]

Wait, does Sandy know?

[Mary]

Yeah, Sandy called her. Well, you'll hear the story.

[Susie]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Nick]

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[Nick]

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[Leia]

Hi.

[Nick]

Welcome back to the show. Do you remember your first time?

[Leia]

Oh, do I remember Traumatic. A little bit, yeah. Not as traumatic as I thought it would be the first time, actually, because.

[Nick]

We'Re, we're really nice people.

[Leia]

Yeah, you guys are actually really nice. You're a little scary online when, when you're, you know, the brunt of the hate, but you're actually really nice.

[Nick]

Do you remember Mary?

[Leia]

Yes, I remember you actually. I'm like, damn, these people are cold.

[Nick]

Do you remember me, Mary, though?

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you remember.

[Leia]

What was she saying?

[Nick]

Mary remembers.

[Leia]

What were you saying, Mary?

[Nick]

Well, a little, little backstory to Mary is that when, when, when you came on, you know, understanding now that now that you're the seasoned vet that you are, you're a professional reality TV star right now, you're getting paid. Yeah, like before it was just like, I got trauma in my room.

[Leia]

Before it's just trauma. Now it's a little fun.

[Nick]

Now you're a working professional. So we understand that you were coming, coming in with a little vulnerability that time.

[Leia]

Oh, so you guys took advantage.

[Nick]

No, no, no. But like, Mary, it was like her second day at work.

[Susie]

Oh, no way.

[Freddie]

I'd been working. I, I'd been working here. I was an editor and I had started, like coming on the show.

[Leia]

Okay.

[Freddie]

And running my mouth.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Kind of giving some takes, you know.

[Leia]

Yeah, I think you ran your mouth a little. You did your job. That's like, they're like, we need you on the floor, Mary.

[Nick]

Yeah. And, and no, no, no, Justin, no, come on.

[Freddie]

It's okay.

[Nick]

Mary has so much trauma about this that he forgets.

[Leia]

Oh, great. You have trauma. Well, how do you think I feel?

[Mary]

So after you had filmed the Going Deeper, we were out in the, in the editing bay and you're talking to Natalie and she was like encouraging you to, like, not listen to what people have said about you. Not to look at comments.

[Leia]

Yeah. Don't listen to the episode.

[Mary]

And you were like, yeah, I know some people say some really awful things. And Natalie was like, well, what was the worst thing that's been said about you that you saw? And you, you were like, well, actually I was called Soless.

[Nick]

No, no. She goes, no, you turn to Mary, you point at her. Well, you called me Soless.

[Leia]

See, you call me out. I'm going to call you out.

[Nick]

I know.

[Mary]

And it was actually a slow turn.

[Nick]

It was.

[Leia]

Yeah, that's so funny.

[Freddie]

Oh, you know, I think about it all the time, and I really, I feel bad and I. No, but it was good because I was like, oh, yeah. I didn't realize that, like, people would actually listen and, like, take it.

[Leia]

Oh, yeah, you know, just, just the good old trauma. No, no. That's funny. Well, you know, I don't think you're solo. Okay, well, I, I know I'm not soulless. I have a very big heart and a big soul.

[Nick]

So where do you want to start?

[Leia]

Where do you want to start? You're the host.

[Nick]

Well, okay, fine. I am doing big things. I, I want to start with J.

[Leia]

Of course. How do they know that was gonna happen?

[Nick]

I say that I mean this in the nicest way. Coming off of the the soloist conversation where we recognize the they're all people and my wife is not here at the moment. So I, I, I am speaking. We find him to be one of the most disgusting and revolting people on tv.

[Leia]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nick]

And it's really just based centered around his, like, just constant, like, comments around, like, sex and, and just objectifying women, quite honestly, in a way that just, like, he's always like, yeah, I'm like, I'm your daddy. And I'm like, dick my time. And I. So, like, I guess my first question is, like, why in the would you entertain Junior on your second run? Is this, like, we don't. Is this, like a timing thing? Because, like, now we know you filmed Perfect Match before we. Even before the ultimatum even aired.

[Leia]

Before we even saw it. Yeah.

[Nick]

So then my question is, like, is, is is this Junior just, like, is really unlucky with his edit and he's like, being frank, but, but he' to you guys, or is it just like an itms and you guys don't realize just how disgusting of a mind he seems to have when it comes to talking about women.

[Leia]

I mean, I think it's a combination, like, he does say these weird comments which are just like, you know, and it's hard because with editing, they, of course they're going to air every single weird comment he says, and they're not going to air some of the other things that are said. But I think, let me open the.

[Nick]

Door for you anyways.

[Leia]

That ass. No, I know he bet you're thinking about my dick.

[Nick]

You know, like.

[Leia]

Well, I will say his ITMs, like, the interviews, like, his intro. I literally lost my voice from screaming so loud at the TV when I saw his intro for Perfect Match because I was just. No, that's not okay. And there were a lot of moments like that with Ultimatum too, when I actually watched it back and kind of saw what he was saying, you know, behind the camera and whatnot, and just to some of the other women and. Yeah, I think with Perfect Match, obviously we filmed that before we ever saw Ultimatum, before that aired. And so before I got to kind of see full picture of how everything was. But I do think that with Perfect Match, like, this was kind of the season that they brought back some of the X's, made it messy on purpose, and I quite frankly knew that they brought Junior in there for me. So I kind of, you know, I led into that a little bit.

[Nick]

Just because you were being easy to work with.

[Leia]

Yeah. Which was also a lesson that I learned through Ultimatum and Perfect Match a little bit. I think sometimes I was a little bit too, like, cooperative with some of the things that, like, you know, production wanted because I, I was just. I'm a, you know, I'm a good castmate.

[Nick]

I don't know if you ever plan on going back to reality tv. Yeah. Is that a possibility?

[Leia]

Depending.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mary]

Yeah. You agree on it?

[Leia]

Thank you.

[Nick]

You're welcome.

[Leia]

Thank you.

[Nick]

I don't want a mansplain or anything. Can I offer you some unsolicited reality TV advice?

[Leia]

Yeah, please. You gotta.

[Nick]

Well, it's back to, like, I think, going in. I think a lot of reality TV stars, you know, you want to have a good relationship with production, they obviously sometimes take advantage of that relationship, knowing that, like, people want to be easy to work with, but I think, you know, to try to not even humanize producers. They're just people who have a job and they're trying to get the best out of people. And I think sometimes, especially in today's day and age, they are so used to reality TV stars coming in, trying to protect their edit, trying to, like.

[Leia]

You know, go against what they.

[Nick]

Production is asking and just not, not, not really speak, say how they really feel. And I think in that moment where you were asked, let's say, you had a strong opinion of Junior. You get asked to, like, go on this date, you're thinking, like, it. I'll just be like a team player type of thing. I'll give them what they want, whatever. And I think if you have something better to offer, they'll listen. I think they're just used to a lot of people coming in and just, just like, playing it safe and not knowing what to do. So they're, they're trying to make the. The best possible Scenes. But if you were to be like, I don't. With this guy. Here's why. And let me just tell him what I think they would have rather had that moment rather than, like, the stupid date of you pretending there's something there, blah, blah, blah. And you know what I'm saying? But, like, they're just assuming you're not going to give that. So they want. They'll. They'll like. You know what I'm saying?

[Leia]

Totally. It's like, there's, like, the main storyline and then there's actually, like, what's happening. And if you can actually get what's happening and it to the top, that's actually more interesting than the storyline of, oh, we're on a date, we're kind of into each other. And that is something that I had a hard lesson learning with reality tv because again, like, I filmed Ultimatum, and then I filmed Perfect Match before that even came out. But I'm. I'm really happy with, like, how that went. But my biggest lesson with all of that is, like, you have to be so true to yourself and speak up on things, even if it goes way against production, because. And essentially that will actually make for better TV anyways, because that's the truth and that's kind of where some of the real drama is. But, like, what you just said with. With the Junior situation, and actually, five minutes into the date, we got in a big fight and I was like, I went off on him because he. I don't know why they didn't air it because it was like they wanted to kind of, I think, really play into the Junior and Sandy story and kind of tease that a little bit. But actually what happened was I. He was kind of talking smack on Louis and I popped off on him because I was like, you don't even know the situation. You don't know Louie. And I was defending Louis, so I did pop off on him. But.

[Nick]

What did you say?

[Leia]

I don't even remember. I just. I was so mad and I was like. I couldn't even, like, contain it. I just went in and.

[Nick]

What did he say that triggered you?

[Leia]

He was just saying on. I think he kind of says it in the episode too, a little bit. Like, you know, don't you want a real man? Like, aren't you sick of babysitting? And all this stuff kind of about Louis, like, oh, you know his intentions or, you know it. He.

[Mary]

He does.

[Leia]

He's not actually here for you, whatever. And, you know, granted, sure, looking back, but, like, I didn't appreciate that coming from Junior. And I felt that it wasn't him looking out for my best interest at heart because he did it the second the camera started rolling versus, like, we have so much time off camera. Camera. If he was really, like, genuine about it, I feel like he would have just said something to me off camera.

[Nick]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Leia]

But they didn't hear it, so I was surprised.

[Mary]

Like, I hopped off on.

[Leia]

I can pop off.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Susie]

I believe it.

[Nick]

Yeah. See, that's the thing. Like, you. You gave them the option, right? You know, but they wanted. Yeah, but if next thing you're like, I know, I want to go on that date with that guy, and here's why you don't give him an option. Yeah, it's tough. I don't know. Listen, it's. It's.

[Leia]

Yeah, it's.

[Mary]

I've.

[Leia]

I have surrendered to the edits and stuff. It's like, okay, just let it go a little bit.

[Nick]

Are you glad you went? Did you have fun?

[Leia]

Yeah, I had so much fun. It was honestly one of the funnest things I've done. And it was quite literally night and day experience from Ultimatum just all around. Yeah, I'm glad I did it.

[Nick]

When I'm watching Perfect Match, and I was thinking about this last night, knowing that you're coming on the show, it must really suck to, like, you guys went, like, again, speaking of your first time, I couldn't imagine, like, being in a relationship being like, hey, babe, should we go do this thing and see if we have a thing? And then, like, then you become a TV star.

[Leia]

Oh, my TV star. Okay.

[Nick]

You know what I'm saying?

[Susie]

Ultimate revenge.

[Nick]

Like, when you come on as a couple with me, you know, or, like, the people from, like, Temptation island who, like, it separates, and you get the people who, like, one of us. Like, if I would have known that, you would have kept going back on tv.

[Leia]

Right? He's like, we never would have done this. It's just kind of a. Yeah, wait.

[Susie]

It's kind of like JR's exo. Because she.

[Nick]

She.

[Susie]

What was her name on Zaina? Zaina. She's a baddie. She should have been there.

[Leia]

Right?

[Susie]

Like, that.

[Leia]

They should have subbed out Jared for Zaina.

[Susie]

Yeah. Like, they should have brought her in because she was stunning and amazing and.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Susie]

But I don't think anyone really sees the appeal of Junior. Like, not to throw shade, but I'm like. Like, I don't know. I feel like she would have been a huge get.

[Leia]

Totally. I think, again, what they were. They were Trying to make it messy. And they did.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

You know, that's Clayton and Rachel too. Like, this was a season of surprises and kind some of the messy exes. So it just was a little more tea, I think, for the plot with Junior being like a bombshell. But yeah, it is interesting with. With like, Nick and stuff.

[Nick]

Yeah, I guess. What. What were you just kind of like impressions of everyone, like, when you got in the house, like, what, like, set the stage for us? Like, what's it like to walk in that perfect match house? And you know some people you don't know other people. People are all kind of like, oh, I know you, or maybe some people you've met.

[Leia]

I actually. I didn't know anybody. My show had come out yet. Nobody knew me.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Leia]

But I walked in first with AD which that was super cool. And I was like, girl, I know who you are. And she was like, well, who the hell are you? And I'm like, you're gonna find out soon. But it was. It was really cool. Very surreal. But to be honest, like. And I. I knew I had some familiar faces in there, for sure. I knew who Juliet was, I knew who Clayton was. But I think the cool thing about that, it's like, regardless of, like, who people are, whatever, once you step foot in that villa, it's like we're all just here. Like, it doesn't matter who you are, what you do, whatever we're going based off of, at least for me, I was going based off of my connection and vibe with the people there. So it was just like genuine friendships and connections that were formed, and it was really fun.

[Mary]

What attracted you to Louis?

[Leia]

I mean, Louie is. He was. He just kind of had that energy. Like, he was fun, playful, flowers, flirty. Instantly, we kind of had a little banter, which I definitely need, and, you know, a match. And obviously I was attracted to him, but again, I just go based off of, like, energy and vibes and him. And I just kind of instantly I knew we were gonna have like a. A good time together. So I kind of knew quickly that we were gonna match up.

[Mary]

Was there anybody else in the house, like, initially going in that you were interested in or, like, going in between?

[Leia]

Honestly, not really. Like, I thought Daniel was attractive. I'm like, oh, that's a good looking man. I have no idea who that is. But, but. But in terms of vibe, again, it's like, you could be gorgeous if I can't have a conversation with you next. So that was the thing with Louie was like, we sat down and we were just laughing and bantering. I'm like, okay, I could do this with this guy. So he really was my only interest from the start.

[Nick]

The mixer for the men, is that like an afternoon?

[Leia]

Yeah, it was like an early. It was like an early afternoon.

[Nick]

Why was it so easy for them to forget you all existed?

[Leia]

I don't know. They were like, counting down the seconds to get there. I'm like, okay.

[Nick]

They were acting like they were like, in a deserted island craz brought in women where they just couldn't help themselves, where it was like, I have a wife at home.

[Leia]

Like, they were like, so excited to get there and basically cheat on all of us. It was just. It actually is comical. We're sitting playing literally patty cake in the pool, and they are literally always gone wild.

[Nick]

Yeah. Did you set any expectations with Louis or did any of the other couples, like, have a sit down, being like, all right, hey, like, how are you going to move in the. And, and.

[Leia]

And so this is probably no surprise, but they, you know, they surprise you with the guys and the girls mixer super quick, and then you're kind of out the door, so you don't have time to like, powwow, set boundaries with each other. It's kind of. It's like, okay, guys, girls over here, guys over there. Like, bye, see you later. So that was kind of, you know, that's how it is. And to be honest, like, at least with Louie and I, we were not, not like, closed off exclusive. Like, we're on perfect match. Like, we were not in an exclusive relationship. However, we were definitely matched up. And given the. Especially the way our relationship kind of progressed, literally the night before, you know, the guys mixer, it just was a little bit alarming how quickly they all just kind of ran out and did what they wanted to do. But are we not surprised? Like, not really.

[Nick]

What's your read on Daniel and Lucy and did you witness his sensitivity?

[Leia]

Sensitivity or you mean like insecurity? Yeah, let's crush it. Yeah, I did 100.

[Nick]

How did you. How did you interpret in real time? And. And was there any difference between what we got to see and what you experienced there?

[Leia]

So you guys, you actually kind of see how it is. And they. I don't even know if they really could edit those things out because there was this weird energy with, honestly, a lot of the men towards the women. And it was like this like, double standard that all the women were like, what the fuck? Especially me. I was just like, not. I was so sick of them. But with Daniel specifically It was. He's very protective or maybe possessive. And you know, Lucy's just so nice and so, like, easygoing. And he was very. He had Lucy very close the whole time. So then when the guys mixer happened and he went crazy, I was shocked. Like, I. I was not that shocked that Louie did that, but I was shocked that like, Daniel did because of how uptight he was about Lucy. And it just was like, to me, the biggest double standard.

[Nick]

I honestly felt like Daniel did way more at the mixer than Louis.

[Leia]

That's what I mean.

[Susie]

Mean.

[Leia]

And it was. It felt more. Because it was like.

[Nick]

It felt more intense.

[Leia]

It was more intense. It 100% was because their relationship was so closed off by Daniel.

[Mary]

Y.

[Leia]

Like, me and Louie were super, like, open and like, okay, like, we were open and honest with each other. And even when he went crazy gross and then came back, he told me everything. It was like, all right. It was like, felt like very just wrong from Daniel because it was. That was not the vibe the entire season. It was super closed off from the him. And then he went crazy. Like, for what?

[Nick]

Yeah, we were talking about this when you started the episode before you showed up, where a lot of the men on this show and I think just honestly today in dating. Yeah, kind of like, yeah. When they're with their girl or the person they're dating or hanging out with or whatever they want to call it situationship, they act how they think they should act in a relationship and then have those expectations of the person they're dating. But if they're not, you know, exclusive, then they. These men also give themselves the permission, kind of do whatever the they want and then. But emotionally hold the women that they're dating to a completely different standard.

[Leia]

Exactly. That's.

[Nick]

They.

[Leia]

And they actually admit it. Lou admitted it on. In one of the interviews. He was like, if I could like, make sure Sandy, like stays basically at home and doesn't entertain anything else and she's committed to me and I can go out and do whatever. I would.

[Nick]

I would.

[Leia]

But I. That's not right. It's like, okay, yeah, no, like, that's. This. This is what, you know, the men kind of, I think, wanted to do. They wanted to explore the field, but they wanted to make sure that their women didn't.

[Nick]

What's your read on Freddie? Is he. Is he.

[Leia]

Oh, Freddie's so sweet.

[Nick]

He is.

[Leia]

He's as sweet as can be.

[Susie]

Yep.

[Nick]

And everything he portrays himself.

[Leia]

Yeah, he's amazing.

[Mary]

No interest there. We had him on yesterday.

[Leia]

Yeah, no, I love Freddie it's so interesting. A lot of people were like, all my girlfriends are obsessed with Freddie. They're like, oh, my God, hook it up with Freddie. And I'm like, yeah, he's so cute. He's so sweet. I don't know. I just. We didn't have. Have. Not really my vibe.

[Nick]

Not toxic.

[Susie]

I'm, like, shocked watching it. I'm like, why aren't more people investing?

[Leia]

You know what? I feel like that's. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, that maybe this is a criticism for the ladies. You. Where. It's just like, you guys all complain about these, all the Daniels of the world. We're not giving the Freddy's of the world.

[Leia]

I know. It's a chance. I know.

[Nick]

That's, like, just.

[Leia]

He's.

[Nick]

He could.

[Leia]

He is. Totally. I personally, I don't. That's not my favorite thing. Just because I love to. No, not nice people.

[Nick]

Just, like, mature.

[Susie]

Like.

[Leia]

No. Like, counting calories and stuff.

[Susie]

Like.

[Nick]

Sorry.

[Leia]

That's what I'm talking about. Like, I like to, you know, eat and have fun and whatever. So I'm just. He's a really nice guy, and him and Madison just were, like, on lock the whole time. But I wasn't interested in him in that way. You know, we're. We're friends.

[Nick]

What do you think of Madison?

[Leia]

She's nice.

[Nick]

I think she's toxic. I've never met her in person.

[Leia]

Okay. Yeah.

[Nick]

But she comes across on a TV show. Is. Is.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I would keep my distance, or I.

[Leia]

Like, I did keep my distance a little bit.

[Nick]

Interesting.

[Leia]

Yeah. I kind of got the vibe early on. Just something felt a little bit off. She's actually. She's a nice girl. And, like, I think that, you know, we all get along as.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Susie]

So that'd be hard to cross if. Yeah. If anyone was interested in Freddie.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So you don't have to say anything because it sounds like you're afraid of Madison, but. Am I. I seem to have it nailed.

[Leia]

Not. Well, in what way? I mean, I. No, no, I think.

[Nick]

Well, she. Like, she just. She seems to. In, like, if you're on her good side, great. And if, like, she. Even if she doesn't like you, she'll, like, call you disgusting or just, like. I don't know if her and Ferdy are together, if they're not. But, like, she comes across as someone that if. If. Even if she breaks up with Freddy or Freddy breaks up with her, she'll go from thinking, oh, what an honorable job, to, like, ew. He deals with dead people. Like, you know, and just, like, talk. And just, like, just talk and. And she'll make up things and. And talk more and. And as long as I feel like she's the definition of hurt people. Hurt people.

[Leia]

I think from what I've seen on tv, I think it's mostly. It's mostly directed at men for whatever reason. I'll leave it at that. It's. Personally, yeah, It's. I don't know how I would handle situations necessarily, but to each their own.

[Mary]

I have a question going back to the boys mixer. Do you think that the boys, including Louis, like, would have been forthcoming if AD Wasn't there?

[Leia]

Honestly, I think. I think Louis would have, just because it's, like, there wasn't so much to hide. Like, again, it wasn't like we had this, like, agreement. Okay. We're not to entertain anything else. So I do think that he would have told me. Told me. Do I think the other men would have. No.

[Mary]

I feel like you also clocked Louie the second he walked.

[Leia]

Yeah, I literally could smell it on him. I'm like, why are you breathing heavy?

[Mary]

Like, you're like, your heart's beating fast.

[Leia]

I could. I could hear it.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

I could smell it. I could feel it. And I'm like, no.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

This is a random observation. Not really a question for you. Juliet seems fun. We met love. Met her at the. The Netflix.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Party. I just thought it was funny that the last episode. Episode nine, she was like, I'm just so picky, but I'll also kind of, like, date anyone here. And I was like, well, which one is.

[Susie]

I think it's substantial.

[Nick]

I love her, which is why I want to date. Like, I'll just kind of.

[Leia]

She just is. Come on. She just is.

[Nick]

She's cool.

[Leia]

She's made for tv. I love her.

[Susie]

She's made for tv. That's what I took away. I was like, she'll. She doesn't care. She'll do it for the plot.

[Leia]

She will do it for the plot. And she. You have to keep in mind, she literally grew up on mtv, and that was so, like, old school reality. People getting in fights, throwing drinks. Like, so she kind of had that mentality coming in, which was a little interesting for Netflix, like, with these super intense. 10 shows are not really like that, but I kind of love that she brought that energy. It really lightened up, like, the whole vibe, and it was just hilarious.

[Nick]

Rachel kind of mentioned that coming from Bachelor Nation, you know, like, it is fascinating. With perfect match, them doing the whole, like, we're Gonna pick some Love Island. We're gonna pick.

[Leia]

Right. It's like a melting key.

[Nick]

And so you have these different universes with different approaches to how people carry themselves on a TV show. You have all these bachelor alums that are just, like, coming in with PTSD and just fear of, like, this very intense, very puritan fan base. And then you have, like, mtv, you know, Love Island. Anything goes where it's just like. Wait, you can say that.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Oh, my God. Yeah. The things that Julia would say. I am like, I love her. Hilarious.

[Nick]

What do you think of how. How do. How can. How do we want to start with Junior? Because it sounds like there's some things with today's episode because we have a new batch of episodes coming out, but so we're just gonna. If you could just talk your. And then it will be our first continued on the vial files.

[Leia]

He wants me to talk more about.

[Nick]

I don't know. Whatever I want to say. I want you to speak your truth.

[Leia]

Yes. Okay. Okay. So we're gonna do, like, after.

[Nick]

Well, if there's things we don't know, what happens and whatever you have to say, I'm getting the sense that some of those things we might not be able to air in today's.

[Leia]

Technically. Yeah. I mean, maybe this will be our first.

[Nick]

To be be continued.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And. And Vile Files. Reality recap History, where you're people. If you're listening, you might have to tune in on Tuesday.

[Leia]

Yeah. Yeah. Tune back in.

[Nick]

Well, is there anything else we want to. Like, is there anything else we want to review with. With Sandy?

[Rachel]

I did want to bring one thing up that I just thought was really funny. At the final boardroom. It was just funny because this was already post Boys and girls mixer, and then it was like, all right, we're going to put people on dates. Here's the list of all the people who have been here three or four times and have been sent.

[Mary]

Sent home three or four times.

[Rachel]

Let's put them on a date again. Why not Sandy and Junior? Why not Juliet and Carrington? It's like, really? We need to see Junior now back for a third time. Carrington back for a fourth time. Like, I don't.

[Nick]

I feel like that is a problem. Or like, an. Yeah, that, like, I think all these dating competition formats have. When you get to the end of the show those last couple episodes before, like, the big finale, it always feels like no one's invested in whatever storylines they're still trying to create.

[Leia]

Right.

[Mary]

We're not going to bring in new people to, like, spice.

[Nick]

Even if it's Love island, if it's new people, we're always like, why do I give a about you? I don't have time to get to know you at this point, you know, like, very Love Island. Bachelor in paradise would do that, where they bring in the last people. You're like, okay, come on.

[Mary]

So you're here. Vacation for two days.

[Nick]

Yeah. How do crickets taste? I don't.

[Leia]

I wouldn't know.

[Mary]

She had churros.

[Leia]

You were so funny, my sweet. Time with those churros, baby.

[Susie]

Did you ever finish them?

[Leia]

I. Unfortunately, I did, and I was, like, trying to go really slow because I'm like, I don't want to. I don't want to finish these churros.

[Mary]

Number one.

[Leia]

There was, like, seven churros on the. The plate. I'm like, I have to be in a bikini the rest of the time here. I don't want to do this. And then I certainly did not want to get in that ice bath. I'm like, well, if we're going to lose, we're going to lose dry.

[Susie]

So I was going to be like, did you contemplate cheating? Like, I tried.

[Leia]

There's cameras everywhere.

[Susie]

Stuff it. I don't know. Yeah, quit.

[Leia]

Well, I didn't want to be a quitter. Also, Louie was so pissed because he, like, literally had a mouthful of crickets.

[Susie]

That's crazy.

[Leia]

And I'm, like, taking my sweet time with the churro.

[Nick]

He wouldn't eat the churros, but he ate the crickets. That's.

[Leia]

Well, no, he didn't have an option to eat the churros because I started eating it before we even could talk about it. I just saw the churro, and I was like, oh, that looks good. And I was like, oh, fudge. Now I have to eat all these. So. And I. Okay, I'm just. I don't know how the hell Rachel just shoved her face with the crickets and the churros. Like, that was. It was actually really hard to eat those churros because there's, like, seven of them. They're, like, chugging it with, like, milk and water. I was like, I will be damned if I am shoving my face like that on national television. Think again.

[Nick]

So I loved Rachel on Perfect Match.

[Leia]

I love her.

[Nick]

She was.

[Leia]

She is my queen.

[Nick]

I just. And I said this to her when she was here, but, like, she really has, like. You know what we were talking about before with how I feel like we. Our notes for Jeremy on Bachelor in Paradise.

[Susie]

Yeah, whatever the fuck Takes it too serious.

[Nick]

We're like, yeah, and I get it. Right? But like, Rachel really came in and was like, oh, you know what? Fuck this shit. And she, like, we're seeing such a fun, light hearted side of Rachel who came into her season with the Bachelorette, like, knowing that she had to share the spotlight with Dream Gabby, you know, coming off the hate from, you know, the, the previous season and now she's just like, I feel like you see this Rachel who's accepted that she, she can't control what people say, so she's just not gonna give a anymore.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I, it, you see, I, I just love that energy for her.

[Leia]

I also just love Rachel. She has, she was such a gem just being in there. She's one of my closest girlfriends, like, from the show. And like, she just has helped me so much because obviously, like, I was doing that before my show ever came out or she just was so real and helpful with all of it and truly how she is on the show. It's like how she is just in person. She's very. Just true to herself, which we love.

[Nick]

Do we have any, anything left to unpack before.

[Mary]

I mean, Adie and Ollie? I'm like, obviously we know how that ends.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

But the whole triangle with Justine and like, and obviously that kind of heartbreaking fight that they had, I'm like, did you feel like they were the strongest couple throughout and that they were able to work through things or was it kind of a lot of turmoil in the house while they were trying to work through the Justine of it all?

[Leia]

No, 1,000%. They were the strongest couple in the house from day one. Like, it was so obvious to everybody in the house and they are like one of my favorite love stories. I don't care what fights happened, whatever. This is the name of the game. We're on Perfect Match. Like, and it literally was, wasn't. AD Was quite literally removed from the house and then somebody else was brought in. So that whole situation was just the premise of the show. Essentially how he went about it. I don't know all the details. I don't necessarily, like, support that, but it's also, you know, you have to keep in mind this is like two weeks into their relationship. They had such a strong, true love and we all knew that it was something bigger than this, which is why.

[Nick]

Like, they're literally having a kid together.

[Leia]

That she's literally having a baby.

[Nick]

Off limits.

[Mary]

Yeah, I, I already watched their gender reveal.

[Leia]

Literally.

[Susie]

I, we're in it.

[Leia]

Yeah. I, they are legit. And I fully love and support them. And their relationship was really solid through the show too. Even with the Justine stuff, they just work through it and, like, move forward. Yeah, we love them.

[Nick]

All right, well, I think we're going to end this episode.

[Leia]

Okay. Is there anything else?

[Nick]

We're gonna keep talking.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But since we can't air, which is.

[Leia]

Annoying, I might just wait a day.

[Nick]

Well, this, you know, the finale is going to come out and. And we'll see what. How it all goes down with you and Louie and why he is on red carpets with Huda and not you. So I guess we'll.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Find that out and see how you feel about it. I don't know, maybe. Maybe you feel a certain way. Anyways, we want to thank our guests, Sandy for joining this episode. She's gonna return, apparently, on Tuesday.

[Leia]

Now, I'm gonna come back in the same exact outfit and hair, makeup, so you better be there.

[Rachel]

Well, don't worry. We're literally all going to be wearing the same thing.

[Nick]

It was fun having you this episode. Come back.

[Susie]

Thanks. Yeah, I'll be back.

[Rachel]

Well, she'll also be back on Tuesday.

[Susie]

I'll be back on Tuesday, actually. And I'll wear the same outfit, too.

[Freddie]

Yeah, I'm starting to think that Tuesday. Tuesday might just be an extension of today.

[Nick]

Oh, man. Why? I don't know.

[Freddie]

It's just an intrusive thought I'm having.

[Nick]

Well, tune in on Tuesday to hear how Sandy really feels about Louie. And don't forget, if you haven't listened to our reality recaps that we dropped all week long, we have Lisa Hochstein or Hochstein, whatever your preferences are. Freddie Brian from Bachelor in Paradise. Also, wait, Tuesday, who do we. We had a bunch of people go back and check out all those amazing episodes, Laugh Loud, and all that fun stuff. Thanks for all your support, guys. We appreciate you. Nally will be back soon. You know, send. Send some love to her and we'll see you back on Monday. Oh, don't forget our. You know, our Mary wants me to remind you guys, we all know you love relationship chitter chatter. And our Ass Nick episodes are. Are the hot spot for all people's relationship problems. And some sage advice from your yours truly. And if you want to get things off your chest, talk about whatever trauma is going on in your life. Don't forget to email us at asknick atthe vile files.com for some good times. We'll see you tomorrow. Nope, never mind. Monday. Bye.

[Mary]

Beautiful.

[Nick]

Perfect.

[Freddie]

No, no.

[Nick]

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