E989 - Monica Garcia Returns, RHOC, Katie/Gretchen Beef Deep Dive, RHOM, Love Island Unfollowing & Icks

Summary

The Viall Files – Reality Recap Episode E989: Monica Garcia Returns – RHOC, Katie/Gretchen Beef Deep Dive, RHOM, Love Island Unfollowing & Icks Release Date: August 26, 2025 Host: Nick Viall with Natalie Joy, the Household, and guest Monica Garcia

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Episode Overview

This episode is a jam-packed Reality Recap edition featuring Monica Garcia (Real Housewives of Salt Lake City) joining Nick, Natalie, and the Household. The crew dives deep into current reality TV shakeups, focusing on Love Island USA's cast drama and rapid-fire unfollowings, a confounding Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) beef (with a detailed timeline), and standout moments from Real Housewives of Miami (RHOM). The theme of “icks” in relationships, both trivial and deep-seated, weaves through the episode with laughs and candid confessions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Relationship “Icks” – The Gender Divide (03:40–18:00)

• Nick introduces his 'icks'—what turns him off romantically. He jokes that he's given Natalie the “ick” twice already that morning (01:00). The conversation spins from silly complaints into a deeper chat on pet peeves and emotional maturity.
  • Ick #1: "I was reminded of icks that I have when it comes to the ladies by watching Bachelor in Paradise and Real Housewives of OC..." – Nick (01:11)
• Nick gets ribbed for calling out women for having “meltdowns” over bugs and minor phobias, especially referencing Bachelor in Paradise’s Cat’s bug freak-out, which he finds a turn-off.
  • "If you're gonna have a meltdown...I need...I'm just talking about my ick...when someone has a total meltdown over something any adult should be able to manage, it's an ick." – Nick (14:23)
• Natalie and others push back, saying bug phobias are real and sometimes therapy-worthy.
• The conversation humorously pivots to men’s “icks”—like Nick’s obsession with his fantasy football drafts, which Natalie describes as “not real.”
  • "You want to know what's an ick? It's the imaginary team in his head...he missed his drafting for his imaginary team, and he screamed 'F'!" – Natalie (12:16)
• Nick clarifies that what truly “icks” him is “baby talk” or emotional immaturity rather than the bugs themselves—he values emotional regulation.

Memorable Moment

• The “ick” stories trade-off: Natalie nearly getting River (their daughter) to sleep—until Nick barges in with a flashlight and wakes her up (19:00).
  • "Here comes Nick with his big ass flashlight coming into the bedroom...I put the blanket over River's face...my hand is like, 'don't come any closer'..." – Natalie (19:10)

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2. Reality TV Deep Dive: Love Island USA Fallout (23:38–34:31)

• Monica Garcia joins the conversation, talks motherhood briefly (23:47–24:11), then dives right into the mess on Love Island USA.
• The group discusses the unusual level of post-show unfollowing and egomania.
  • "It's also wild that we live in a time that...we can tell how serious something is if they unfollow each other." – Monica (26:22)
• Theories abound: egos post-season, the impact of instant fame, and speculation about the timelines and realness of relationships (Nick cautions, from his Bachelor experience, that the attention is fleeting and often empty).
  • "I always had the awareness that this...isn't real. This is temporary. They don't actually like me. I'm just kind of a freak show to them...and then they become the classic reality TV star: too famous to get a real job, not famous enough to make a living." – Nick (28:21)
• Monica references Andy Cohen’s advice: “Don’t believe any of it. The love—don’t believe it. The hate—don’t believe it.” (30:20)
• Discussion on whether “staying together” is ever for show, referencing Bachelor and Love Island breakups.

Notable Quote

• "It's the same thing—when Amaya won, he wouldn't have won if he wasn't on Amaya's arm...everybody knows that." – Monica (31:06)

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3. RHOC "Beef Timeline" Explained – The Katie & Gretchen Saga (38:09–54:41)

• Mary presents a meticulous explainer of the confusing, multi-season beef between Katie and Gretchen, including Tamra, Jen, Vicki, and the infamous “naked wasted” party of 2008–09 (39:17).
• Key steps in the timeline:
  • Gretchen gets extremely drunk at Tamra's party; alleged rumors spread she was “roofied.”
  • Multiple, conflicting perspectives from those involved: Gretchen, Tamra, Katie, Jen.
  • The latest: did Gretchen ever claim to be drugged; was something leaked to bloggers?
  • Mary’s “org chart” and play-by-play have the table periodically exclaiming disbelief and relief at the clarity.
• The debate shifts to the role and legitimacy of “bloggers” vs. more public-facing media figures in Bravo world.
  • "If anyone tells you housewives don't talk to bloggers, that is a lie. Every housewife talks...to get them to report. Like, stop." – Monica (50:45)
• Monica makes a distinction: anonymous rumor-mongers have little accountability, while public personalities like Kiki Monique are “not bloggers”—they have to own their words.

Key Quotes

• "I gotta give Tamra credit. For hating someone as much as she hates Gretchen for 18 years...that's a long time to hate somebody." – Nick (53:30)
• "I do think [bloggers] are used a lot to push the shows...and if anyone tells you housewives don't talk to bloggers, that is a lie." – Monica (50:45)

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4. Salt Lake City: Monica’s Bravo Status & Feuds (54:41–59:53)

• Nick presses Monica about her status with Bravo, whether she’d return, and the reality of Salt Lake City feuds.
  • Monica is open to a return only if she has an ally—not willing to be the “lone wolf” and face Jen Shaw/Heather Gay alone (55:00).
• Monica and Heather Gay’s relationship is highlighted—she doubts reconciliation is possible.
• Monica shares the truth about her legal and personal dramas (salon lawsuit, admitting her biggest lie was the affair with her brother-in-law).
  • "The biggest lie I've ever told was my affair with my brother in law. That was the biggest lie." – Monica (57:28)
• Monica hints at far more serious legal drama among castmates (“SEC filings,” “hundreds of thousands in lawsuits”), suggesting what viewers see is just the tip of the iceberg.

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5. Real Housewives of Miami & Fun Superlatives – Fast Recap (63:45–67:52)

• Miami’s most recent episode gets a quick, chaotic summary: drama over private jets, seating, insults, and parenting crises while traveling. Pen-drawing, “ratchet” call-outs, and classic Housewives contrivances abound.
• Monica shouts out the Miami cast as “some of the nicest women” in Bravo and says she’d join that franchise, feeling seen in a Latina group.
• Rapid-fire fan casting of Housewives for a fictional football team, combining sports talk and Bravo references for laughs.
  • “Lisa Barlow can be the cheerleader because if we ever need sexual favors, you know…” – Monica, joking (62:59)

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6. Wrap-Up & Notable Final Moments

• Monica offers gratitude to the Viall Files crew for their openness about personal challenges, saying "you are doing so much for women by addressing it and coming out with this." (68:07)
• Nick teases upcoming episodes: the Love Island reunion deep dive and a special “Going Deeper” with the Nader Sisters.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:40–18:00]: Relationship “icks” and gender differences
• [23:38–34:31]: Monica Garcia joins; Love Island USA breakup/unfollowing deep dive
• [38:09–54:41]: RHOC’s Katie/Gretchen beef explained, Bravo blogging culture
• [54:41–59:53]: SLCO feuds, litigation, Monica’s future, “The Biggest Lie”
• [63:45–67:52]: RHOM rapid recap; Miami memories; Housewives football casting

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Tone & Highlights

The episode is equal parts humorous and incisive—filled with rapid, sometimes messy panel banter and plenty of Bravo inside jokes. The hosts are willing to poke fun at themselves and each other. Monica Garcia’s candor matches Nick’s confessional style, and Natalie is quick with perspective changes and playful jabs. Mary’s timeline breakdown offers much-needed clarity and structure amid the chaos.

"Don't believe any of it. The love—don't believe it. The hate—don't believe it." – Monica, quoting Andy Cohen (30:20)

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For the Uninitiated

This episode is a must for reality TV fans who want honest, behind-the-scenes takes and an accessible explainer on some of Bravo’s more labyrinthine feuds. The “ick” conversation alone is worth a listen for its blend of pop culture commentary and relationship real-talk. Monica Garcia’s guest spot brings both Bravo Universe knowledge and genuine personal insight.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Mark is a Mochi member compensated for his story? You're crazy.

[C]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I am your host, Nick, and joined by my wife, who's fixing my mic cover. I've already given her the ick twice this morning. It made me think of. I got some. I got some women icks for you later this episode.

[A]

Why later? Just give them to them right now.

[B]

Women.

[C]

I'm going to. I'm going to wait. Oh, I'm going to wait.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Because I was reminded of icks that I have when it comes to the ladies by watching Bachelor in Paradise and Real Housewives of OC but we have a jam packed episode lined up for you. The iconic Monica Garcia will be joining us momentarily. Talk a little Love Island. A lot of stuff going down on the Internet. People are unfollowing. Relationships seem to be dropping like flies. Obviously, many of you probably watched a Love island reunion last night. We are recording this Monday morning. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet. So we will dive deep into the reunion on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. We got some exciting guests for you lined up. It's going to be a jam packed episode. It's going to be a ton of fun. Maybe it's all just a ruse. Maybe they're all in it together. I don't know.

[A]

Maybe they're just like, I'm tired of seeing like your content. You know, Maybe they're like, I love you and you're my boyfriend, but like, you're kind of your. Your stuff's a little weak and I don't really feel like seeing it.

[C]

Maybe it's just the easiest way to keep. Get people to keep talking about them. It's weird timing considering this all happened right before the reunion was about to drop. I wonder what created all this, you know, sassiness, this messiness from. From the cast. I don't know. But if you guys watch at home. We are currently in our satellite studio, as we like to call it, sitting on Some new chairs, only because the chairs that we were sitting on, we are shipping to the lake house to be part of our living room because they are very nice, fancy chairs. And there's like, almost like two nice for, like, a studio, which is exciting because that means the lake house is almost done. We are weeks away, people, from being in my most exciting place I could possibly be in. We can't wait to show you. I don't. We're not. Oh, just a heads up, we're probably not going to show you, like, right.

[A]

Away, but we're not going to have, like, all the furniture right away. You know, I don't know.

[C]

We're. We're just super excited. I can't wait. It's. It's been a long, long process. Not that long, really.

[A]

I mean, like, I'm excited for Nick to see all the things that, like, I did that, like, I just didn't fill him in on, you know, like, all the little details that, like, I. Yeah.

[B]

Did.

[C]

Well, we're very lucky because my parents, as many of you know, live up on the lake. Nellie and I have not been to the lake since Christmas. And then we started the essentially rebuild remodel. Ended up being just a total rebuild right after. So we haven't been up there at all. Shout out to mom and dad because they've been, you know, handling the project from. From like, you know, ground zero, so.

[A]

To say, like, living in an RV on the property.

[C]

Now they're living in an rv. They got an Airbnb for, like, six months and they got kicked out. Now they. And then they bought a camp.

[A]

Wait, what?

[C]

They've been living on the property to. To keep people on their toes, sending us photos and. And things like that from the lake house. Can't wait to finally get up there. I've been missing that place. Obviously, you know, like, the best time to go up there is the summer. We haven't been able to go up there all year. But, like, honestly, like, it. You know, I guess all things being equal, nine months isn't that long of a time for a total rebuild. But it's. It's going to be amazing. We are. We are super excited about it. Leia, question for you. You have a child? Yes. Is what. What's his. What's his walking status? I. I want to. I want to. I want to. I'm going to brag about my daughter a little bit.

[A]

Well, he acts funny about river and shit. I'm not trying to.

[C]

I don't know, honestly. I'm just trying to get, like, a baseline, really.

[A]

And he's literally about to be like, well, River's better.

[C]

No, listen. Like, she might slow down. I don't know. Like, I just. I don't. I don't know why.

[B]

Hey, Leo, where's your son at? Because I got to tell you, Louie's driving so. Well, actually, funny you ask, because Rivers.

[C]

She'S a year and a half. She's sprinkled rinse. She's full on running.

[B]

Y'.

[A]

All, last night, we. The weather was so nice. We, like, went out to dinner, and then we came back, and we're like, let's just hang out in the backyard. Like, Nick had some music playing, and River. I was like, river, you're about to, like, get the bath and go to bed, so let's, like, get some Zoomies out. So I was like, let's just run. Then she was, like. Started getting into it. Then she, like, wanted. I asked Nick to race me. I almost won, but I didn't because.

[C]

Because she lost.

[A]

I tripped. But then river saw us racing, and she was like. And, like, putting her hands up so that she could do it with us. So she held both of our hands, and we did, I don't know, maybe 50 sprints back and forth across our backyard.

[C]

She flies, she's fast, and, like, she didn't get tired.

[A]

And I was like, okay, sit down. And she's like. We're like, okay.

[C]

I don't know. I feel like some year and a half year olds aren't even walking yet, which is, again, fine, you know, go at your own pace. I'm just like. I'm just really impressed with my daughter. Also. Leia, can you look up? Or Sierra, when does a child establish whether they're a lefty or a righty? Because, like, I've been wondering this because river, like, you know, when she, like, will throw the ball for Steve, kinda, and when she attempts to throw the ball, it's a little bit of, like, you know, whatever hand the ball's in type of thing. But she has, like, some, like, doodle stuff, you know, like, and she's always using her left hand. And dad's a lefty. Grandma's lefty. And I'm pretty sure River's a lefty, which is kind of cool, because what's the percentage of people in the world.

[A]

That are left come out until they're three?

[B]

By the way, I think Louie's a lefty, too.

[A]

It says hand dominance typically emerges between ages 2 and 4, with more consistent preference established by 5 and 6.

[D]

When I was little, I always like I was a lefty when I was little and every like I still throw and do like all sports stuff or like active things with my left hand. But then because I went to like Christian school, they were like, no, you should write with your right hand.

[C]

Oh, did you develop a stutter?

[D]

No, I just like I can write with my right hand and that's it. And then everything else I do with my left hand.

[B]

Mary. I'm the exact same.

[D]

Scissors, right hand, scissors. I can do both hands. Honestly.

[C]

Well, I'm a little bit ambidextrous. I don't know if it's ambidextrous if you alt like I write with my left with my right, throw with my right, bat left, golf left, kick right.

[D]

A message to schools out there. Just let kids use whatever hand they want.

[B]

The exact same thing happened to me in school. I was like using both hands. Probably was a lefty. And then they were like, your life will be easier if you use your right hand. So now I write with my right.

[C]

Do that all the time and.

[B]

But I do everything else with my left.

[D]

My mom's ambidextrous because she went to Catholic school and they would slap her right hand.

[C]

No one's going to put me in a corner. I was always going to do what I was going to do.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? They tied my grandmother's left hand behind her so that she would use her right hand.

[D]

That's great. Like just let people be left handed.

[C]

I've read somewhere that like you that you can like develop a stutter. Like it really would fuck some, you know, mess some kids development.

[B]

I had to go to occasional therapy.

[A]

To learn how to literally a stuttering as he's talking about.

[C]

Listen, I can't talk.

[A]

He's like, iron some kid happened to you.

[C]

As a reminder though, we have an amazing week lined up for you. Don't forget, tomorrow's going Deeper is epic. Love thy Nader is a show that's coming out on Hulu. I think maybe it drops today, the first couple episodes. It's the new smash hit of Hulu. Let me tell you, these women are stars. We had the pleasure of talking to all four women. Brooks Nader, you know her, she's out there. Cover of si. Sports Illustrated was on Dancing with the Stars. Gorgeous Gleb, her dancing partner. Lots of stuff in the news about their relationship. Relationship and the follow of that. The season kickoff really covers that relationship in fall. But we have all four sisters with us tomorrow. For Going Deeper. It's an absolutely fun episode. You're gonna laugh out loud again. These women are stars, I promise you. Love thy Nader. I think they're gonna be the new Kardashians. They really give it their all.

[A]

Listen to the episode and then comment down below like which one you are. I feel like that's what this is gonna be.

[C]

I told you about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I'm telling you, this show is going to be a hit. I promise you. It's out on Hulu. I But more importantly, we have these ladies tomorrow on an episode of Going Deeper. You are not going to want to miss that. Bachelor in paradise was on last night. I don't know about you guys. It's just like, I don't know, like they're just what? Leia, you are like an OG Bachelor fan. Oh, by the way, speaking of icks.

[D]

Leah, speaking of icks, is being a.

[B]

Fan of Bachelor in Paradise and ick.

[C]

No, it was the episode last night when they were like fake.

[A]

Leah, you're a huge fan of Bachelor and Paradise. Oh, that reminds me.

[C]

Listen, I, you know, anyway, listen, I don't like snakes. We all have our phobias. But like you don't need to have a whole mental breakdown, panic attack, anxiety attack just because you see a few bugs. Like I think the dramatization like a fo. Like when you use a little phobia to make have a full blown meltdown.

[A]

But you don't have a phobia.

[C]

Snakes. I hate.

[A]

You don't have a phobia of snakes.

[C]

Well, what I don't.

[A]

A phobia is like an intense fear. You're just like snakes. Yuck.

[B]

You're.

[A]

It's not like.

[B]

No.

[C]

Like I have a panic attack around. Your phobia, I guess is my ick. Ladies, I don't know if you have a full on meltdown.

[D]

Sorry, your. Your issue that you need to go to therapy about. Kind of an ick.

[A]

Your deep seated trauma.

[C]

Did you guys really think that that that cat's meltdown is like a true phobia to go to therapy for? Because there were a couple flies.

[B]

I think the flies.

[A]

I think the flies were a bit much. But the camping under the light thing, I would be the exact same way. If I'm getting smacked left, right and center with cockroaches.

[C]

You would start crying.

[A]

I would. I would freak the out.

[C]

Yeah, you wouldn't.

[A]

I've seen you around bugs covered in cockroaches.

[B]

This is not.

[C]

This was not covered in cockroaches.

[B]

It was the horse for me.

[A]

Horseshit. Yeah, babe, I'm out.

[B]

I'm sobbing.

[A]

I am.

[C]

Listen, Cat acted like she was on Fear Fact. Actor covered in roaches and that. You know what I'm saying? But she was. It was the furthest thing from that.

[B]

No, I get it. I get it. I have to go to therapy for a few.

[C]

Sorry. If you're gonna have a meltdown. Like, I. I need.

[A]

You're alone here.

[C]

I'm just talking about my ex. I'm just. But you don't do that.

[A]

Yes, I would put me in that situation. I've never been in that situation before.

[C]

You grew up in Alabama and Georgia. You've been around bugs your whole life.

[A]

And I have. Every single time I see a cockroach.

[C]

This wasn't a cockroach. These were bugs. These were flies.

[A]

These were like, no, thank flying. Cockroaches were a part of that, too.

[C]

I'm talking about, like, the. The dance, crying and the tears and, like, the total freezing, and it's just like.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

But.

[D]

But, Nick, I feel like what you're missing out on of this. I get that. I understand that it's an ick, but I feel like you get to kind of like, in those moments when a girl is freaking out, that is your opportunity to, like.

[C]

By all means.

[B]

You want to know what's an ick? Is freaking out when you're watching football or baseball or basketball and be like, oh, true. No, no, no.

[C]

Leia, you want to know what's an ick?

[A]

No, no, no, Leia, you want to know what an ick is? It's the imaginary team in his head that the other night he missed his drafting for his imaginary team, and he screamed.

[B]

F. Was like, I'm late for my draft.

[A]

Almost in tears. That was an ick.

[D]

Hey, you know what's not real? A draft. Do you know what are real?

[A]

Is real bugs.

[C]

I acknowledge that. I give my wife an ick every day. There's something I do where she looks at me. She doesn't even have to say it. And she just, like. I can tell she just threw up in her mouth. All I'm saying is, like, can't us guys have some icks every once in a while?

[A]

I don't think that's valid.

[C]

No, Mary, I agree with you. I'm not talking about, like, Natalie doesn't do the thing that I'm describing. She'll be like, nick, there's a bug. Can you please kill it? And she'll be like.

[D]

And you're like yes, of course.

[C]

What Cat did was this like a full. She acted like a three year old. I mean that's baby talk. You know, like women acting like they're like six.

[D]

I mean I. I mean I kind of judgmental. So that's what.

[C]

I guess that's what I'm trying to.

[A]

Started with like the her having whatever it is.

[C]

It's like an overreaction and a complete meltdown. Like a six year old. Like there's and. And like Dale acts of service is my love language. There's nothing I enjoy more than taking care of my wife and child as a young man. A recurring fantasy that I would have. I would like fantasize about my future wife which is now Natalie. And I would fantasize that I would be going out with my boys like to like the big game or whatever. And then, and then she would get sick and I would say guys, I'm sorry, I can't go to the big game. I have to go take care of my lady. There's nothing I enjoy more than like coming to the rescue of my person. But like not the total meltdown of like a six year old where like sometimes river like she just gets mad and she. And no matter what we offer her, it's just like she's just mad because she can't. She. She can't self regulate like at all because she's a year and a half. And like when, when I've had girlfriends who give that energy where it's just like. Like Kat did the other night. There needs to be some kind of self regulation. You can freak out, you can say you don't like it. But when you have a total meltdown over something that like any adult should be able to manage, it's a dick.

[A]

You have to swallow. No, you have to swallow all your spit that's in your mouth.

[D]

It seems Nick, if I. If I make ask Nick you for a second. It seems that. It seems that your ick is less about the bug and more about just like emotionally immature women literally. Which is completely normal. And follow up question. Is that more of a pet peeve or a non negotiable?

[C]

It's a pet peeve.

[B]

I also don't think that the two things are the same because I feel like I'm a very emotionally mature person. Yeah, you put me in that exact situation. I act exactly like cat did. Maybe even worse.

[C]

You would act like cat did in that situation.

[B]

Oh yeah, I act like that worse. I'll see a spider in my house and I will act like that.

[C]

You will melt down to the point where, like, even if Lou needs your help, you won't be capable of stepping up.

[B]

Okay, well, that's different. I also don't know.

[A]

She's a mother.

[B]

To be honest, I don't know.

[A]

You're on your own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I just, like. I can't deal with, like, you. You. By you. Like, like, whoever it is, acting like an infant.

[B]

I had to go to therapy because of my intense fear of bees.

[C]

Well, they could kill you.

[B]

So can cockroaches. Maybe.

[C]

I don't know. But, Mary, thank you for helping me articulate my ick. It's really baby talk.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

It's like, the whole, like, second ick. We'll get to it when we cover Real Housewives of OC Having to, like, ask people to not serve your partner anymore because they can't, like, because of how they're acting with over consumption. Absolute disgusting egg. Like, when Eddie had to be like, please don't serve Tamara. Like, oh, God, if I had to do that for you. Like, one of the things I'm so grateful when it comes to Natalie is that one. She's just not a big drinker. And if I've seen Natalie drunk once in my life, wish it was more. Well, I'm not stopping you. No, but being in public and just being like. Like, just kind of a sloppy mess.

[D]

Because, yeah, I accidentally got a little too drunk this weekend, and I can't stop thinking about it because I, like, I wasn't drunk enough that I, like, really embarrassed myself. But it was like, when I was young, a little bit younger, never experienced anxiety. I was like, you know what they get, what they get. But now I'm at the age where when I go out, I meet some new people and some of them are cool and hot. And then I accidentally drank three what I thought were normal seltzers, but they were like 8% soju sell, like, drinks. And then I was like, oh, fuck. I don't know what I said to these people.

[C]

Mary, let me. Let me ask you this, because here's the big difference in that. Like, when you get a little too drunk, are you mindful enough to be like, I'm a little too drunk? And if a friend says, hey, mayor, checking in. Are you okay? Are you like, I don't know, I might be too drunk? Are you like, no, don't tell me I'm not too drunk. Give me another alcohol. Are you like, which one is it?

[D]

I'm. I'm a little bit in between where I'm like, I think I'm fine, but then obviously.

[C]

That's cute. That's a little adorable.

[D]

That's like, I'm a fun. Like, I'm fun when I'm drunk. I'm never, like, belligerent. I'm always just, like, I'm goofy. And I, like, am clumsy by nature in general. And that just escalates when I'm drunk. And I'm always just like, my shoes are too big for me.

[C]

Like, yeah, it's the. Don't tell me what to do. Give me another people.

[D]

No, that's not me.

[B]

My.

[D]

My. My best friend was like, I think we should go. And then took me directly to an ihop. And then as we sat down, I was like, this is the best decision you've ever made for me.

[A]

Which I think this coincides with, like, men who get too drunk and are just, like, very loud drunks. I think that's, like, the same, you know?

[C]

Well, I know who has a lot of icks at some.

[A]

Well, I just wanted to say the ick that you gave me last night.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Tell us every day. It's not love if it's not icky.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No, last night. Well, our AC went out in, like, River's room.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so it was 80 degrees in her room. And I was like, she can't sleep in this. Like, for, like, she's wearing a. You know, she's wearing a sleep sack. Nick was like, I grew up with no ac. You know, I turned out okay. And I'm like, okay, well, not this time.

[C]

No, because, like, Natalie's like, she has to sleep with us. She's going to die. It was 80 degrees, okay?

[A]

So she. I put her in our bed to go to sleep. And it's like, obviously, we're.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's not the routine, you know? Like, we're not in her chair. We're not rocking. We don't have her books. Like, it's a different routine. So it took her a little bit longer to fall asleep. And then I almost had her. And here comes Nick with his big ass flashlight coming into the bedroom. I, like, bring the blanket. Oh, I don't know.

[C]

I think her sandbag moved or something.

[A]

I love that she was chasing it, though.

[B]

Yeah. She wasn't stopping.

[A]

She was just like. And so then I went downstairs.

[D]

Wait, you guys. We should get one of those little. We should. We should start putting in. Instead of just cutting this out, we should just start putting in little, like, technical difficulties.

[A]

Honestly, I'm Fine with keeping this in. This is gonna be cute. Asterisk above her.

[D]

We are experiencing minor technical difficulties.

[A]

I feel like. Could y' all hear me with that or. I feel like I was doing pretty good with my.

[B]

You were definitely fading away.

[A]

I was fading. Okay. Anyway, well, moral of the story is that I almost had river asleep. And then here comes Nick with his flashlight and I put the blanket over River's face and my hand is like, don't come any closer. Like, turn around. She's not there yet. He doesn't see it. He walks like all the way over to the side of the be with the flashlight pointing at us. And it woke her up. And I was like, I could kill him.

[C]

How is that an ick?

[A]

Because it made me honestly be like, he's just.

[C]

What are you doing? Should we just take a second?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, listeners, we're.

[B]

Wait a second.

[A]

Why are you continuing the combo? I thought you.

[C]

These mic covers don't slip on anymore. It just crushes the phone. Anyway, while I fix this, you know who has a lot of ex. Monica Garcia is about to join us. So let's bring her up.

[A]

Watch us. Ask her.

[C]

I'm sure she has a lot of extras she wants to share with us.

[A]

Watch his. Ask her and be like, I really don't have any.

[C]

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[A]

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Earn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home by going to join built.comv I a l l that is J-O-I-N-B-I-L-T.comv I a L L Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. Monica, welcome back to the show. Always great to talk with you.

[B]

Hi. I'm so, so excited to be here with you guys.

[A]

We've missed you.

[C]

We miss you. We're excited to have you. How are you?

[B]

I'm good.

[C]

How's motherhood?

[B]

I'm exhausted. Yeah, we're just not sleeping and we're leaking and pumping and we're just in the trenches over here.

[C]

Well, if I may, you look refreshed. You look great. You don't look tired at all.

[A]

We can't see the milk coming out of Your titties. So I know.

[B]

I'm like, let me just. Like, yeah, yeah, it's. It's sweatpants from the waist down, for sure.

[C]

It's so crazy thinking about yet your daughter's five months old now, because I just very much remember the first time you were on our show when you're in our studio. That was so long ago. So much has happened, obviously, you know, sadly, and we certainly know what it's like. You did experience a miscarriage from. From that announcement, but obviously you have a wonderful baby daughter now. But it's just more like how time now and I were talking about this yesterday. There's. It's weird how, like, some things in your life feel like it happened yesterday. And then there are other things where you're like, that was five months ago. It feels like three years, you know, like, it could be, like, two different things. And it's just weird how, like, some things just. Yeah, like. Like, I don't know, like time just moves in a weird, funky way with certain events in your life.

[B]

No, it's so weird because when I think about it, I'm like, no, I just told you guys, like, five months ago or whatever. But really, it was. It was through that whole miscarriage, the whole pregnancy, and now she, like, it doesn't feel like it's been that long at all.

[C]

Well, we're excited to have you on, obviously, because we want to talk some housewives with you, but before we get into some housewives, you also watch Love Island.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[C]

Yeah, obviously the reunion is tonight. We haven't watched it yet. You know, everyone listening. I'm sure many people have had. But are. Have you been seeing all the unfollowing that's going on online with some of the cast?

[B]

Yeah, I actually, this morning I just saw Iris Unfollowed Pepe, and then Amaya and Brian and all these people and I. It's been wild to see this group versus, you know, the infamous Season Sixers. Yeah. Like, it's nuts because even when they did, you see the interviews that they did, and the tension was so thick when they were all in the room together, it was, like, awkward. And you could tell Huda just stood there, sat there the whole time.

[A]

Like, there must have been, obviously, because I feel like they did all that press after the reunion, so I feel like. So, like, this reunion must be batshit crazy.

[C]

I think it's just straight up all ego, you know, I. Yeah, I think you can tell.

[A]

I mean, but also, Hannah Unfollowed Pepe and Hannah Iris have been, like, pretty close.

[C]

As Pepe unfollowed Iris, or does he still follow Iris?

[B]

He unfollowed her now. Yeah. They all in Amaya unfollowed Pepe and all this. I mean, it's just like. It's also wild that we live in a time that. That we can tell how serious something is if they unfollow each other.

[A]

It's so true. Because it's crazy that people. There are people who watch that stuff, you know, because it's not like you get notified that Iris has unfollowed Pepe. It's like something you have to actively go and look.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What makes anyone. Even if it's like, obviously they have millions of followers, but what makes anyone go, wait, is, do you think Iris is following Pepe?

[A]

Who should check?

[B]

Like, right, you're just laying in bed. You're like.

[A]

Like, let me check. It's the same people who are. And I. There's kind of a little bit of a movement going on right now to, like, bring them to light, but it's the peop. What are they calling them? I'm blanking on what they're calling them, but it's the people who say, like, someone will post a video being like, oh, I love oranges, and here's why. And then you'll get comments being like, but what about bananas? Bananas are so much better than oranges. And it's like, what is in your brain that makes you feel like you needed to do that?

[C]

Like, why are you defending my comment section?

[B]

That's literally my comment section.

[A]

So you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[B]

Do.

[C]

This is crazy that it only took one season for the cast of Love island to turn into maniacal egomaniacs.

[B]

It's been pretty intense to watch. I feel. I feel like. I don't. Do you guys think it's because of what happened with season six that they just. I don't know.

[A]

I honestly feel like it's more of what happened after, because I feel like they got out, they realized, you know, who had how many followers, who was more loved, who was more. And then that just, like, all went to their head.

[C]

Well, it's that classic case of the reality TV star, you know, kind of trajectory. You know, like, right now, Love Island USA is hottest ticket in town when it comes to reality tv. Back in the day, it used to be the Bachelor, right?

[B]

And yes.

[C]

And if you were the Bachelor or the Bachelorette or one of the few stars from that season, for a brief period following the show, you were getting a list treatment. Right. You were being invited to a list parties. Literal A listers would be sliding into your dms, you know, and just because they're just fascinated with you. And you know, one thing that always helped me is I always had the awareness that this is, this isn't real. This is temporary. They don't actually like me. I'm just kind of a freak show to them. You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't want to hang out with me, they just want to interrogate me. But it, it fades so fast. And then, and then they become the classic red TV star, which is too famous to get a real job and not famous enough to make a living.

[B]

Like all these people, like, Right.

[C]

But especially like the young people. Like, you're, you're fine, Monica. You're gonna, you're gonna be. You know what I'm saying? But it's like they're like, they're, they're getting invited to all. Like, they're doing interviews with GQ magazine and like, they're getting, they're on late night tv, these amazing experiences. And like, the ones who don't let it get to their head and are able to ride it out and kind of have that awareness that, like, this is like a moment, a moment they should enjoy and have some fun with. But, like, they're, they're not Ryan Gosling. They're not, you know, like, they're not Taylor Swift. Like, they're getting that level of treatment right now. Hell, more people are talking about them than are talking about Taylor Swift, maybe in this moment. But, like, they're, they're still not famous for, like, anything other than being on a TV show and being messy and, like, there's going to be a whole new cast next year.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And the ones that are able to, like, have that, like, reality and like, figure out what their thing is are the ones who are going to have longevity because they all have to figure out their thing. Like, what are they going to be known for outside of drinking warm milk in a, in a bathing suit?

[B]

It's true. No, you're 100% right, and I know that. But once you're in it, you totally get it. And I can see that you get it. And Andy Cohen one time said, don't believe any of it. The love. Don't believe it. The hate. Don't believe it, because it is.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

A lot of people are sometimes just fascinated with and joining in on whatever that hot subject is or whatever that trend is, or they're in the moment with you, but the second it's gone, they're gone too, you know?

[C]

Yeah. It's crazy. Well, it'll be interesting to see. I will say, though, I mean, Rip, Pepe and Br. Because, like, God bless them, they seemed like nice men, but without the women by their side, their value just absolutely plummets.

[B]

Yeah, it's. So. It's pretty fascinating to watch. Right. We end up being like the people we're talking about because we're like, holy cow. Like, it really is true. I mean, it's the same thing. When Amaya won. He wouldn't have won if he wasn't on Amaya's arm. Right. You know what I mean? Everybody knows that. But, yeah, it's. It's so crazy to. To see the stock value.

[C]

Yeah. It'll be interesting if we ever do get to hear why there was an unfollow. There's speculation about infidelity with. It comes to the Iris and Pepe. I think many of us are just kind of caught off guard with the whole Brian and Amaya. And I don't. It can't be a coincidence that it happened right after the unfollow of Iris and Pepe. It's giving, like, okay, well, if they did it now, I guess it's cool, because there is always a fear of, like. Like, I don't know, like, I don't want people to know. Like, reality TV relationships always happen before you hear about them because there's, like, you know, it's just like the gravy train. Do I want to say good? You know, it's just like, should we just fake it?

[B]

You know, like, wondered that, like, with the Bachelor, too, I'm like, yeah. I mean, like, yeah. How do you guys do that?

[C]

I mean, usually it's like a good month. Like, you know, you know, it's really over.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Some more than others. I mean, like, when obviously the. Janae and Kenny. Some people move really fast when, like, there's a huge betrayal and think, what?

[A]

Matt, James and Rachel.

[C]

Matt, James and Rachel. When there's, like, a big betrayal and things like that. Some people move fast, but when it's just more like, hey, I just, like, I don't know. I don't like you and you don't like me and, like, maybe this. We're not a couple, but no one's really, like, you just realize that you're just. You don't. You don't want to be together.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, well.

[B]

And a lot of people say, like, like, okay, I don't really buy into this. You guys are doing it just to, like, milk the moment. A lot of people were saying that with Nick and Alandria. They were like, is this real? Is this genuine? Or is he just.

[A]

Are they just. I just didn't believe that she was into him.

[B]

I know, right? Yeah. So everyone's like, or did they just make a pact?

[A]

But now they do look so in love. More in love than our other couples, who clearly didn't make it.

[B]

And they're so cute.

[C]

Even for them, it's tough to know what's real. If you had. If someone was like, here, here's $3 million to date. Like, no one wants to think that they would do that and fake it. Right? And, like, there's clearly a mutual respect between these two. They're both hotties.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[C]

I think the world thinks that Alandria could literally get any guy that she wanted. Like, any. Any superstar athlete, any famous guy. Like, who? Whoever, you know, like, it's true. You know, And Nick, you know, like, he could. He could definitely get a lot of, like, you know, I'm sure his DMs are popping. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's true.

[B]

Oh, Landria is. Yes, yes.

[C]

But like. But like, you're going to convince yourself there's, you know. And you know what? They literally. They could be the most in love couple for all we know. Like, maybe. Maybe they'll get married. It would be a beautiful story, but, like, it's really hard to know, even for yourself what's real, because, like, the. It's just the opportunities that are in front of these people are literally unreal and unbelievable and surreal and it's hard to. It's hard to say no to a. A lottery ticket.

[B]

No, you could. You could totally see them being like, you know what? Let's just ride this out. It benefits you. It benefits me. We like each other. Like, we're at least friends. So let's just have. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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[B]

I. You guys, I don't even know what the. And my DMS are blowing up with people's theories and thoughts on this. This has been one of the hardest story lines I don't, I don't even know to follow.

[C]

Thank you so much for saying that, Monica. I liter wrote to the team yesterday. I'm like, I, I rewatched the last scene of the episode and I'm like, what the fuck is. Like what, what the fuck is going on? Who's mad at who and why? Thankfully we have Mary here who did some little research. She put together an org chart. She. I'm still a little confused, but Mary and sweet boy Justin are going to try to bring all of us, you, Monica, me, our audience. If you are confused, here is our best attempt, attempt at trying to unconfuse everyone that seems to start with the naked wasted party which 17 years ago. Like, I mean, honestly, that picture of Gretchen Mary that you sent me, I was like, who? Who is that?

[B]

What do you mean?

[D]

And, and, and we'll see it in we'll see it in this.

[C]

Well, take it away, Mary.

[D]

Okay, so I. I understand that many people, Nick Viall, many others have been so confused by whatever the hell is going on with Katie and Gretchen. And so I took it upon myself to do my best to lay out the facts and figures and create a timeline. I hope it's correct. Preface. I did my best.

[C]

The Katie slash Gretchen beef timeline featuring Tamra and Jen and also kind of Vicki.

[B]

We need this. We need this.

[D]

Vicki does make an appearance. Okay, so this starts naked, wasted. Here's a quick history. So this is circa 2008, 2009. Okay, so Tammy, grandma started taking etiquette classes, so she wanted to host a classy party where her and Vicky devised a plan to get Gretchen, quote, naked waisted, because they hate her. Okay, so Gretchen does this and she gets, like, slosharino drunk. Like, drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk. And also at the same time, Ryan, who at the time was 22, Tamara's son, he's really trying to hook up with Gretchen. It's really uncomfortable.

[C]

How old is Tamara's son now?

[D]

Now add like 17 years on that. I don't. Nick, I didn't know I would have to do math for this investigation. He's a adult, but at the time he was like 22, 23. And Gretchen was like an adult who.

[A]

Had a dying husband with being 22 years old and trying to hook up with someone older. Let's remember.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

There's no problem with that at all. There's no problem with that at all.

[B]

Is a consenting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

No, that's a full. That's a man.

[A]

Full on adult.

[C]

That's a man.

[A]

Yeah. But the whole scenario here is really sorted because it's like cameras pushing her son onto drunk Gretchen to get Gretchen to make.

[D]

Gretchen is like. Gretchen is not in a place to make any sort of consenting decisions. Also, at the same time, Gretchen's fiance is in the hospital battling cancer, dying. So that's in dying.

[B]

Also, Ryan just got his bar license.

[C]

So he's there bartending. Oh, okay. So it's like.

[A]

Oh, so he's like, maybe over serving her. It's not her best. It's getting dark. It's getting gross. Got it.

[D]

And this is all a plan for. From Tamara and Vicki to get.

[B]

Because they.

[D]

They want to get the dark side of Gretchen out. So it's really dark and gross overall. And Gretchen, this is important for our investigation later. She stays, according to Tamara, she stays the night at Tamara's house.

[C]

Has anyone refuted that? You'll see.

[B]

Not that. Oh, look at this.

[D]

Fast forward to last fall next slide. Okay, so now we have the dinner at Mashrose. This is quote, last fall. All right, we have Gretchen, we have Katie, we have Jen. We, the husbands, and they're all getting dinner. Naked Wasted is brought up apparently allegedly out of nowhere by Gretchen. Okay, Then bloggers are told that Gretchen said at this dinner she was drugged by Tamra.

[C]

So there have been articles written by the bloggers that Tamra roofied Gretchen.

[A]

I mean, according to the episode, nothing was published. So you can't go out and find the bloggers member. Tamara was like, bloggers are coming to me and saying they. They have this story. No one published anything. And that was Gretchen's whole point of being like, then why the fuck are we still talking about it if like the bloggers thought it was a lie? It is a lie. You think it's a lie.

[C]

I think the only source about what the bloggers know or don't know is.

[B]

Coming from Katie or Tamara because Tamara saying that the bloggers are telling her. Right.

[D]

We have Katie's point of view on this, which is Gretchen's. Said she went home from Naked wasted and woke up sick. She then went to the hospital, got a toxicology report, and the hospital people, the doctors, found drugs in her system, which Katie.

[C]

Drugs. Because alcohol is a drug.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[D]

It's never clarified. Katie denies ever leaking this to a blogger. Okay, okay, okay, next slide. Now we have Jen's point of view, Gretchen. According to Jen, at this dinner, Gretchen just said she woke up really sick after Naked wasted. She never said she was roofied. And Katie must have lied and told the blogger. Now we have Gretchen's point of view. She technically never flat out denies that she said this, except for one time she's talking to Tamara and says, hell to the no, I didn't say that. She is just looking for who to blame. And but it gets really confusing because at first she was like, yes, I went to the hospital. But then she said, I never went to the hospital.

[A]

And what's also weird about that is that she says to Tamara, yes, like the next day I woke up so sick and I went to the hospital. And then in her interview she's like, I never did. I never went to the hospital.

[D]

Okay. And then here's where things get interesting. We have Katie's smoking gun, Matt, Katie's husband claims Slade. We know Slade, Gretchen's partner, Slade called him to say, quote, tell Katie to say Gretchen never Said it. This is after the Mastros dinner. AKA according to Katie, in an amazing moment of ad living, she said, hold the line and protect Gretchen. Okay, this is why Katie's been backtracking. Because according to Katie, Gretchen is caught in a lie of embellishment. And further, if we're. If we're synthesizing this information currently, Katie is implying that the only other person who knew this information is. Next slide, please. Jen Pedrante. And Katie is implying that Jen leaked the story to Kiki the blogger.

[B]

Oh, wow. Geez.

[D]

Where does this leave us? With one question. This is the photo I was talking about. This is from the Naked Wasted episode. Isn't that correct?

[C]

Crazy.

[D]

Okay, with one question. Did Gretchen go to the hospital after Naked Wasted? If we remember previous information presented during this investigation, it does so happen that Gretchen spent the night at Tamara's house. Which means that the only person who knows if Gretchen actually went to the hospital is Tamara. Which means Tamara Judge is the only person that could prove if Gretchen is caught in a lie or not. Maryam Cosby could also maybe use her hospital smelling powers. But that's neither here nor there. Okay, also, who told the blogger this? Because according to Jen Pedranty herself, if Gretchen did in fact say this, why would Katie go and say this to a blogger? Which means Jen probably leaked it. That's my. That is my case closed.

[A]

But we did have my take on this investigation come out and say that Katie had like, messaged her or something and saying, like, she was a big fan and like, kind of like was.

[C]

Chasing who's a fan of who. Katie's a fan of Kiki.

[A]

Yeah, Kiki went on her page and saw follow back. So Katie was following Kiki. When Katie was announced as a new housewife, Kiki like, was like, oh, who's this new housewife? Let me go follow her. Went to her page, saw follow back, and was like, oh, my God, she already follows me. So she followed her back and then got a DM from Katie saying, I'm so honored that Kiki Monique followed her back. Okay, so she's like, accusing her of, like, needing clout. And Kiki was like, I'm. I host a show with the biggest housewife star. I don't need. Like, yeah, she's like, I don't need Katie second season.

[C]

Well, that I was just about to say, like, I don't know, I'm curious what you think, Monica. Like, what, what. What defines blogger status or not in my.

[B]

You mean journalism?

[C]

Yeah, Nation. We don't. Bloggers don't really exist. It's not part of our universe. We just call them trolls or like psycho superfans. Like Kiki. Kiki Minique, to Kiki's point. Like, I've been on her show with Dorinda. Like, I don't know her backstory. I don't know her as a blogger. Like, I know her as someone who has a working relationship with an iconic housewife. And I don't, I don't see Kiki as a blogger, but maybe she does operate as a blogger. I am curious, Monica, what is, like, what is the relationship between Bravo celebrity and blogger? Is that something that the Bravo universe, like, supports even? And like, because it seems to be a part of their business model? Like, almost as if, like, from the get, bloggers were a part of how people interact and like, more and more, you know, housewife franchises are, are freely and openly talking about bloggers. And the only reason Bravo would do that is if they, like, don't mind. Like, Bachelor Nation would never. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but, like, they just don't. They wouldn't. And is that, is like, is that like an unspoken reality or rule in Bravo Nation? Like, what is that relationship between star and. And blogger in the Bravo world?

[A]

No.

[B]

So first off, I do want to say I have met Kiki in person and she is the kindest. She was so sweet. She's always been so great. And I have to agree with you a hundred percent. I don't consider her a blogger. I do not consider her a blogger. I do think that she is in a different category, if that makes sense.

[C]

Yeah, if you're like, publicly cool and like, and you work with an actual housewife.

[B]

Yeah, like, I don't think you're a blogger.

[C]

I don't think you're a blogger because to me, blogger implies someone who, who may talk to housewives and get leaked information, but they are, they are essentially super fans who are so like, obsessed and tapped in that. And, and they platform a lot of rumors. And that's why I think it's different because, like, once you're public facing like Kiki is and has a show, like, you don't just get to like, you get held accountable for the things you say a little bit more as a blogger. A lot of these bloggers are anonymous.

[B]

Like, was just going to say, you.

[C]

Know, like, they can, they can say whatever they want. They can put out whatever rumor they want and it doesn't really matter if it holds Water or not, they're not really held accountable. But, like, Kiki, like, if Kiki is lying, she. She's going to be held to account. So it's not as, you know. So I'm assuming a lot more careful and a lot more credible because of her relationship with Dorinda.

[B]

I was literally just going to say that, Nick. The fact that Kiki shows her face alone gets her on a different level. Right. Some of the biggest pages in the Bravo universe, like, this is an example, this page hates me. So this is why they come to mind. But Queens of Bravo is a huge blogger page in the Bravo world. No one knows who the hell runs it. No one has any idea. And this is why, I think partly why Reality Von Tees was such a big deal, right? Because it actually took a page which was like a blogger page with no flash face. Holy shit. We're finally seeing a face of one of these pages. And just like you said, most of them are anonymous. I do think, you know, Tamra, she has a huge. What some people would say is a blogger page, right? Like, she reports on housewives. She reports on people and what they're doing. She reports on the gossip. Da, da, da, da da. Is that considered a blogger page? Some people say yes. I don't consider that a blogger page, but do you know what I mean? Like, a lot of the fans are like, she's mad about people talking to bloggers while being a blogger. So it's just kind of all of this weird, mixed, convoluted, very gray area with housewives and bloggers. I do think they are used a lot to push the shows. I do. And that's just a fact. A lot of the, you know, inside information or sneak peeks or tips or whatever always come from these anonymous, anonymous blogger pages. And if anyone tells you housewives don't talk to bloggers, that is a lie. Every housewife talks. Like, it's. It's such a joke. Like, to be so upset at Katie for talking to a blogger. Are you really gonna sit and say you've never communicated with one of these pages ever in your life or pushed a little something something to get them to report? Like, stop.

[A]

I mean, the fact that Gina was able to just, like, dial up whoever this journalist was and be like, yeah, hey, what's the story?

[B]

Yep.

[D]

Also didn't. Didn't, like, in, like, early days of Housewives, like, housewives used to have their own blogs, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

So it's kind of how, like, the franchise, like, kind of started with, like, Watch what happens live. Started as Andy's blog, right? I think so.

[B]

Is that true? That's amazing. If that's true. I didn't know that.

[D]

I think, I believe I saw a YouTube video about this one.

[C]

I think it really comes down to whether they're like anonymous or not. This is why I don't think Tamras is a blog. Because it's just like, yeah, if she's, if she puts out something, her name's on it. And so if she's putting out.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

And it's the rumor mill, it's like it's the false accusations and like some of, you know, some of the rumors that have been put out about people are a little messy to like flat out disgusting and potentially life ruining.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

The fact that like no one knows who these people are and you can say whatever the fuck you want is.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I don't know. I think that's kind of fucked up and messed up. And like, if you want to, if you want to put your name on something and put out a rumor, fine. Like you can be held accountable and you will have to pay the consequences if you're putting out stuff that can actually affect people's life. That's in inaccurate. But like, and I think, yeah, actually, like, I feel like that's the big distinction 100%.

[B]

I totally agree. Because then at that point you could be anyone behind the keyboard. They don't know. Right. And that was the whole thing with reality, Von Tees. That's the whole thing with, you know, whatever. But I don't think throwing Kiki or even Tamara in that group is fair because they are out there. They are their brand. They're literally their brand. So it's not the same thing.

[C]

I got to give Tamara credit. I mean, for hating someone as much as he hates Gretchen for 18 years. That's.

[A]

Yeah, that's a long time to hate somebody. Yeah, it's true.

[D]

That's true.

[B]

Pull it off with Heather.

[A]

I'm just saying.

[C]

You don't think you and Heather could ever make make up?

[B]

Look, I think that Lisa Barlow and I could make up before Heather gay and I could make up.

[C]

That makes me sad because I like Heather.

[B]

You do?

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I, I, I've only met her once briefly. She kind of, she did flake on me and kind of lie. That's okay. I understand the situation she was in. Whatever. It's not that big of a deal.

[B]

Get past it. I have dealt with enough in my family to where I can work past any. But she is the One refusing. So it's fine.

[A]

Is she the only reason why you can't come back to Salt Lake City?

[B]

If you ask me, yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But that's my opinion.

[C]

As Tamara, do you still have a relationship with. With the Bravo execs? Are you in communication? Is there ever. I think I feel like I ask you this every time you come on, but like, I just feel like you're. I feel like you're a real talent sitting on the sidelines waiting to be.

[B]

Like, oh, thank you. Everyone seem think that the big master plan is for them to bring me and Jen back at the same time. I don't know if they would ever. If they would do that, though. That's a big. That's a big move.

[D]

Would you do that? Would you come back with Jen?

[B]

I've got to. I've got to have someone in my corner. It. It can't be every. All of them against me again. I can't go through that again.

[D]

That was brutal.

[B]

So if they could at least give me one person in, I'd be fine. But I can't. I don't want to go through fighting Jen Shaw and Heather Gay and everyone else all over again.

[D]

But Jen Shaw would be quote, unquote healed from being in prison.

[B]

They weren't. They're already talking to her and they've already said they'd film with her again. So that's why I'm like, I need another person. I just, I. I wouldn't want to be the lone wolf again.

[A]

You don't feel like Whitney is.

[B]

I love Whitney. I love Justin, but I don't talk to her. She's very, you know, her and Heather are very close. So I don't. I don't know if she, if she would be open to that. I mean, obviously I love Mary, but I feel like. Oh, I feel like I would still.

[C]

I forget what, what, what happened with you and Heather in her salon. Who, like, who sued who?

[B]

My God. Yeah. That's so stupid. That was the stupidest thing. So it was from like six years ago ago, and she didn't even know about it. I had dealt with it in office, but my ex best friend told her about it. And so six years later, she sues me for $2,000 right before the statute of limitations was up. And so I countersued because I have to be careful what I say because it's. We're actually still in the middle of it.

[C]

What?

[B]

For $2,000?

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Two grand.

[C]

I know, because I spent more money on lawyers.

[B]

100%. Yeah. In hindsight, I will say I should have just paid her because I've paid so much more now to attorneys. But it was like the principal, because I didn't just stiff her. I didn't. I had to go and pay another place over $3,000 to fix what had been done.

[C]

The principal is so costly, you know?

[B]

I know, I know. It's funny because, you know, lesson learned. When you get into this world, and sometimes it is, it's just easier to just. Instead of dealing with all of this.

[C]

People I know who, who ride for Heather, don't trust you. What's the biggest lie you've ever told?

[B]

That biggest lie I've ever told was my affair with my brother in law. That was the biggest lie.

[C]

It's weird because, like, I don't know you that well, Monica. And so I, you know, I'm not in a position to vouch for you. Like, my experience with you have been lovely and I think I have a hard time and I'm sure, you know, we, everyone's lied and whatever, you know. Yeah, everyone, you know, and yeah, like the affair with your brother in law, not cool.

[B]

No.

[C]

But you have also owned some terrible things you've done. And it's as hard for me to. Who, like. Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

What was your reaction to seeing the trailer?

[B]

Okay, so I actually just talked about this. I felt like it was giving very much season four rehearsed monologue, here we are again situation. Because at the end of the trailer you see Heather and she says, walk the fuck over. And it was just exactly like, pack your bags and go. And I'm just like, here we go again. You know, it's just been like, copy paste, copy paste. It's just, yeah. One trick pony.

[D]

What do you think about the, the Lisa John Barlow mystery that's being teased.

[B]

You guys, the way I just bit my tongue.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That is how I know I'm growing. That is I'm in my mom era because I just bit my tongue so hard for what I really wanted to say about that.

[A]

Don't bite it. Unbite it.

[B]

I know. You know, if, if Lisa ever actually showed her real life, I, I, it would be much more entertaining than what we are, what we are given. And Bronwyn actually did hint to some of it in the trailer. And I think people would be floored if they knew how many lawsuits some people have. That's why I'm like a $2,000 lawsuit. Get out of here. Like, people are literally actually dealing with hundreds of Thousands of dollars in lawsuits, but SEC filing? Yes, yes, yes. And I know some of the people, so it's. It's just. It's wild to. To see from my point of view, you know.

[C]

Monica, do you watch football at all?

[B]

I love football.

[C]

Who's your team?

[B]

I have to say New England Patriots, because I'm from Boston, but I actually love the Denver Broncos.

[C]

Okay, well, the NFL season is a. Is about to kick off. Are you excited about the Patriots season or the Broncos? Like, who do you fuck with more when they play each other?

[B]

Okay, if it's Broncos in New England, it's New England all day for sure. I have to stay true to my Bostonian roots with that. I would probably be kicked out of the state if I ever step foot in there again. If I didn't stand behind the New England Patriots.

[C]

If you were. If you were a football player, what, what, what. What position do you think you would play?

[B]

Ooh, can I be the coach? I just. I don't. I want. I want to be the coach.

[C]

See, now, I was thinking more like maybe Jen Shaw would be the coach because her husband's like, a literal coach and guy, and she knows how to throw a flag or she knows how to throw things. You know what I'm saying? So she could throw the flag 100.

[B]

Yes. I've had them thrown at me. Yeah. You know. Okay, what position is good at D dodging? Because then that would. I guess that would be mine.

[A]

Or it could be Lisa Vanderpump because she likes to support aggressive men.

[B]

Okay, you said it, girl. I'm. I cannot believe. Okay, this is opening a whole can of worms. But I cannot believe Jax Taylor was able to continue filming.

[C]

See, I was thinking, like, Jack Taylor could be good, but he's such a big red flag.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But then, actually, the thing is, though, he's really good at blocking people.

[A]

He is so good.

[C]

He's got me blocked.

[A]

Yeah, blocked by Jack.

[B]

Oh, are you blocked?

[A]

I feel. Monica, I feel like you would be in charge of tapes because you're good. You're good at recording.

[B]

Like, playback, playback, playback. Yeah.

[C]

And unfortunately, I know you guys don't get along, but I do feel like Heather Gay would be pretty good because she does play through injuries.

[B]

But we would never know what really happened on the field because she would blame it on something else.

[D]

But that's why we have you for running tape.

[C]

I do also. I know it would be, like, controversial, but I think you're gonna want Tom Sandoval, because if you're not cheating you're not trying.

[B]

You know what? He. Whatever with that, but he killed out on Traders. I loved watching his season of Traders. It was so funny.

[A]

Meredith Marks would be our defensive coordinator because she knows how to disengage the other day.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Yes.

[A]

Disengage.

[B]

What is. What would Mary be?

[D]

Oh, Mary's just. Mary's leading prayer before every single game.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's good. That would be perfect for her.

[D]

But then we have Jen Shaw, who definitely knows how to, like, move chains in prison. You know what I mean?

[B]

I can't believe the people that she's in there with. That's like a whole other sub, Jack.

[C]

Tom Schwartz could be head of pr because if, you know you're in a pickle, he'll show up and do the interview with you.

[B]

True. Yeah, that's true.

[A]

That's true. I feel like we have a really good team.

[C]

Yeah, that's a. It's a pretty solid team. Dylan Efron, probably your quarterback, though. He looks the part.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Not problematic.

[B]

100%. 100%. And Lisa Barlow can be the cheerleader because if we ever need sexual favors, you know.

[A]

There she is.

[B]

We have Heather.

[A]

Jim Bro is our referee.

[B]

Oh, he's always been a referee.

[C]

She's respectful to everyone and no one. All at the same time.

[A]

All at the same time. Yep.

[D]

She looks really good in stripes.

[C]

She does look good in stripes.

[A]

Craig. I feel like we'd all. We. Everyone would want Craig on his team because he knows how to get a ring or.

[C]

Or not.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Paige. Paige. Paige could do the UN uniforms.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. 100%.

[A]

They would be very.

[B]

Kill that.

[C]

Do you watch Miami much?

[B]

What I will say about Miami is those were some of the nicest women that I met at BravoCon. They were so sweet, so kind, especially Kiki. Kiki and I actually cried together. She was. She really resonated with my mother, the situation with my mom, and. Yeah, I feel like if I went to another franchise, I would. I would probably go there because. Because they're Latina, and I feel like I. I could talk normal and it wouldn't be perceived as yelling. So.

[C]

Yeah, there you go.

[A]

Well, did you watch the most recent episode of Miami?

[B]

Perhaps? I did. There was a lot going on.

[A]

There was a lot going on. If you didn't watch the last episode of the Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap. Jody won't stop texting. Larsa defending Lisa, which Larsa thinks is dulu. Larsa also thinks Lisa is killing the vibe because she has to finalize her her divorce. Adriana went to mass because she's an empath. Lisa is taking notes, and if the girls hate this, they would hate Mary. Gertie and Julia kiss and make up. The girls all draw penises. Adriana is the sweet boy. Justin of the group, has studied art history. Lisa unfollows Marcus, and pigs fly. Stephanie doesn't want Lisa on the plane because she's ruined the environment. Lisa now doesn't want to go to dinner. Gertie claims she is not a makeup artist, but still does Adriana's makeup for her. Lisa does, in fact, go to dinner two hours late. Alexia was engaged to a Spaniard who was the heir of Pepsi Cola, and still she chooses Todd. Adriana calls Kiki Ratchet. Kiki says Adriana is old. In retaliation, Stephanie storms out because the girls ruined dinner again. Adriana joins her to babysit some kids because she's old. Alexia is furious because she doesn't want anyone to know they're American. Lisa apologizes to the restaurant and promises drinks on the house, then trips. Overall, is Stephanie doing too much with her PJ seating arrangement? Find out next week on the Real Housewives of Miami.

[B]

And the answer is yes. She's doing too much.

[A]

She's doing too much.

[B]

That was a beautiful recap, thanks to Mary.

[C]

Thanks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Adriana, that. That dinner was. That was crazy. I feel like she threw out Ratchet, and then she was like, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Wait a second.

[A]

That is not what I meant.

[C]

That's a big.

[B]

So she also wouldn't back down, though.

[A]

She also.

[B]

I mean, they all kept saying, just apologize. Just that she's like.

[C]

It was.

[B]

She wasn't apologizing.

[A]

And then when Lisa is apologizing to the group, she's like, well, I have to go babysit someone's kids because I'm so old. It was like, well, it was where and whose kids? We're in Spain.

[B]

Who's kids?

[C]

Literally.

[A]

I feel like what also was crazy was the little meeting that Julia and Marisol tried to have with Lisa before the dinner. And they're like, you need to lock your phone up. Yeah, that was crazy. No, I have girls. And they're like, well, Jody can take care of them. He's like, what?

[B]

Yeah, that was wild, too. Yeah. She's like, he's not gonna take. He's not their dad.

[A]

Then they tried to make that as like, oh, he doesn't love you enough to take care of your kids.

[B]

It's like, that was a weird Little.

[C]

I also love, like, that. That taking notes is like the Miami version of Brittany Bateman. And you, Monica, like, recording.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Without the knowledge.

[B]

I thought the same exact thing. I was like, see, Everybody does it.

[D]

Everybody does it.

[C]

Everyone is just in their own way.

[A]

Memory. Is that good.

[B]

Do you think that the private jet thing is bad?

[A]

I do, because I kind of feel like it backs up what Alexia was saying last episode where she was kind of like, stephanie is using this jet or using her money. And at first I was like, no, she seems generous. She seems like she's just, like, not used to being around a lot of girls. But I was like, for you to be so heated about something that didn't actually involve you, and then it's like, who are we going to put in the isolation corner? And it was like, very much like, I am the king. I will tell you what we're doing. And I was like, that's not a good look. And I was. I agreed with Marisol that I was like, we're doing too much here now.

[C]

Well, what's the point of being rich.

[B]

If you can't use people in the private jet?

[A]

Yeah, I think hopefully a lot of other things. Yeah.

[C]

Monica, this has been so much fun. We're going to have to have you back again soon. Do you have anything you want to. To share, plug or put out there for our audience?

[B]

No, honestly, the only thing that I want to share is I appreciate you guys being so open and everything with what you guys are going through. And I admire it so much. I know it's hard, and I think you are doing so much for women by addressing it and coming out with this. It's scary to do that. So thank you. I love you guys.

[C]

I appreciate you saying that, Monica.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

So much fun. Always. You. You brighten our day and our audience today every time you join us. So please come back. It's always a good time.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Tonight, we are gonna watch the Love island reunion and we are gonna talk about it on Thursday. We got some exciting guests for you to break it all down. Don't forget, tomorrow we have an amazing episode of Going Deeper with the Nader Sisters. All four of them joined join us to premiere or preview their upcoming season now streaming on Hulu. Love thy Nator. It's an epic show. You're not going to want to miss it. It's a lot of fun. These women are stars. Trust me on that. That is all coming up this week. Thanks for listening. Thank you to our guest, Monica Garcia.

[B]

Thank you, guys.

[C]

I think that's it. See you later. Bye.

[B]

Sam.