E990 – Going Deeper with The Nader Sisters

Summary

The Viall Files — E990: Going Deeper with The Nader Sisters
Release Date: August 27, 2025
Host: Nick Viall with Natalie Joy and The Household
Guests: The Nader Sisters — Brooks, Grace Ann, Sarah Jane (“SJ”/Gan), Mary Holland

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Main Theme & Purpose

This special "Going Deeper" episode welcomes the Nader Sisters—stars of the buzzy new reality series, Love Thy Nader—for a candid, lively, and hilarious roundtable about Southern family life, religion, relationships, reality TV, heartbreak, sexuality, and the meaning of authenticity in the reality TV era. The sisters and Nick Viall explore how their upbringing shaped them, how family boundaries adapt (or don’t) for TV, the emotional fallout from high-profile breakups, and the unique sisterhood that defines their show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Identity, Upbringing, and Family Dynamics

(02:25–05:38)

• The Nader sisters introduce themselves, share fun name stories, and reflect on their close Southern upbringing.
• Nick: “Did you ladies grow up feeling like you were stars?”
• Brooks: “I think we thought it was normal to just be so close and crazy and naked, but moving to New York made us realize how rare that bond is.” (04:49)
• They explain the genesis of Love Thy Nader: “It kind of fell in our laps... almost divine timing.” (05:18, Brooks)

2. Approach to Reality TV & Setting Boundaries

(06:33–09:52)

• The sisters agree on authenticity: “You get one shot. We’re just gonna throw it all on the table. Fully be yourself. There's really no other option.” (06:49, SJ)
• Some off-limits topics—mainly relationships for those in them when filming started.
• Family, particularly their parents, decided, “screw it, let’s just do it,” even filming real-life events like job resignations.

3. Career Sacrifices and Evolution

(09:52–11:26)

• Mary Holland shares about quitting her five-year corporate job at Deutsche Bank to join the show: “Now they’re my biggest fans; they’re throwing a watch party.” (10:17)
• Nick connects, “Someone who used to work in corporate America, I don’t miss it.” (10:33)

4. Navigating Criticism and Public Scrutiny

(11:26–12:19)

• Brooks talks about protecting her sisters from online hate: “People start to rip on them already... appearances, weight, you know, all the things.” (11:17)
• “When you go on TV, they’ll tell you you’re ugly,” Nick adds, to laughter.

5. Relationship Talk—Boyfriends, Boundaries, Breakups, Divorce

(13:12–28:16)

• They discuss dating, old-man “dilf” jokes, and rules: “The guys we fuck cannot be uglier than Dad.” (12:44, SJ)
• Childhood: Pastors' kids, started poor, religious, then Dad transitioned to finance. “Football and God was like our entire life.” (16:23, Brooks)
• Brooks details her Sports Illustrated “big break”: attended an open casting after being told, “They would never look at you twice…then I ended up sending a signed copy of my cover to that agency.” (21:59, Brooks)
• Divorce: Brooks opens up about her divorce from her first boyfriend/husband, meeting at 19, the difficulty of leaving, “Just because you don’t love somebody, that’s why I did it.” (23:25, Brooks)
• How the family dealt: “We watched her fall apart…divorce was not okay growing up. My parents didn’t take it very well at first.” (25:19, Mary Holland)

6. The Gleb Saga: Dancing with the Stars, Romance, Heartbreak, and Scandal

(31:06–51:20)

• Brooks' post-divorce relationship with pro dancer Gleb Savchenko is dissected in detail:
  • “I said, give me the hottest, douchiest fuck boy…and there he was.” (31:38, Brooks)
  • The relationship turned toxic—love bombed, boundary-crossed, intense PDA.
  • Discovery of cheating: Gleb left his phone in an Uber, which led to the sisters investigating and uncovering a pattern of infidelity.
    • “He left his phone in the car…Uber driver just showed up…as any girl would, we got in.” (39:01–39:07, Brooks/SJ)
  • Nick: “He checks a lot of (love bomber/gaslighter) boxes…It’s like he was raised that as long as you say ‘I love you’ you can do whatever you want.” (47:06/47:21)
  • The sisters affirm the show is about their family, not Gleb, and how the ordeal strengthened their sibling bond.

7. Sex, Upbringing, and Breaking with Tradition

(54:48–76:41, interspersed)

• Candid conversation about sex—past religious guilt, “True Love Waits” pledge rings, sneaking around, and the normalization of sexual openness as adults.
• Brooks: “I had a whole hand of promise rings because I hoodwinked…I fucked up, had sex, but needed a new ring, and then I’d have sex again.” (75:17–75:27)
• SJ details coming out to her family—how she told her sisters and parents, their journey from confusion to support.

8. Family, Religion, and Modern Values

(64:16–69:11)

• Kids? Most want big families, but “no pressure” from parents except at holidays.
  • “I think we'll all have a lot of kids. I feel no pressure. The only time I feel pressure is when I go home.” (64:50, Brooks)
• Faith: Most sisters still identify as Christian in some form, but Mary Holland openly identifies as more spiritual/agnostic.
  • “I’m not atheist…I’m spiritual more so.” (66:10, Mary Holland)
• Parental evolution: Their parents’ religious beliefs have become more progressive as the sisters grew.

9. Sisterhood, Petty Fights, Independence, and Style Battles

(56:15–83:55)

• The sisters’ banter and squabbles on everything from skincare luggage to photo shoot outfit choices highlight their raw, genuine connection and the “mother figure” role of Brooks.
• Discussion about who is most independent, who gets picked on most (Grace Ann), and family styles (“I do just wear whatever I want—very Carrie Bradshaw…it’s refreshing.” (83:05, Brooks)).

10. Accents, Family Participation, and Comparisons

(83:25–86:29)

• Southern accents—how they worked to minimize them for modeling/acting, but “it comes out when we go home.”
• Family—including parents and grandma—are all-in for the show: “They will do anything for us.”
• Parental pride: Dad’s got four TVs ready to boost ratings; grandma’s emotional support for every episode.

11. Pop Culture, Show Reception, and Legacy

(86:29–88:09)

• Comparisons—the sisters embrace “OG Keeping Up With the Kardashians” and early-2000s reality, but with their own uniquely Southern, outsider twist.
• Natalie Joy: “It’s very much OG Keeping Up With the Kardashians in the best way…” (86:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Authenticity in Reality TV:
  “If you try to fake things or hide things, it does come out. So it’s like, yeah, our whole approach, we were like, let’s just do it and free ball it.” (06:49, Sarah Jane)

• On Family Support:
  “Our biggest thing was we didn’t want to walk away and be like, we could have put more on the table… Our goal was just to be as raw and open as we could.” (09:52, Brooks)

• On Southern, Religious Upbringing:
  "Our whole upbringing was centered around Christian camps and, you know, sports and Christianity… football and God was like our entire life." (16:23, Brooks)

• On Handling Criticism:
  “People start to rip on them already…appearances, weight, all the things.” (11:17, Brooks)

• On Sexuality and Coming Out:
  "When you come out, whether your parents are supportive or not, it's like a death of an expectation… It's not necessarily good or bad, it's just changing what you are imagining for your daughter." (69:11, Sarah Jane/SJ)

• On Sisterhood:
  “Watching back, the beautiful part is seeing how my family rallied around me... usually I’m the one taking care of others, but they came to my defense and were there at my bedside with breakfast and tissues.” (50:16, Brooks)

• On Gleb — The “Hot Mess” Appearance:
  “I was like, give me the hottest, douchiest f*** boy in the whole roster… and so there he was.” (31:38, Brooks)

• On Being Southern in NYC:
  “When you move to New York, you’re kind of insecure about it in modeling… None of the girls had the accent.” (83:39, Brooks)

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Important Segments by Timestamp

• 02:25–05:38: Sister introductions, childhood bonds, path to reality TV
• 06:33–09:52: Philosophy of authenticity, boundary-setting on reality show
• 13:12–28:16: Relationships, dating older men, career journeys, family money discussions, childhood finances, divorce and heartbreak
• 31:06–51:20: The Gleb relationship arc, cheating discovery, emotional aftermath, family unity
• 54:48–76:41: Sex, religion, coming out, and changing traditions
• 83:25–86:29: Accents, parents joining reality TV, family-wide support
• 86:41–88:09: Cultural comparisons, early-2000s reality nostalgia, what sets their show apart

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Tone & Language

The Nader Sisters exude fast-talking, hilarious, loving, and self-deprecating Southern energy. Their candor about sex, money, trauma, and family mess is balanced by warmth and supportive “ride-or-die” sisterhood. Nick matches their informality and openness, sharing his own big-family and religious background to elicit honest, revealing answers.

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Summary Takeaways

• Love Thy Nader is not just a reality show—it’s about the complex love and chaos of four Southern sisters navigating modern life, love, sex, and religion in New York.
• The sisters promise authenticity, rawness, and no-holds-barred openness—hallmark traits of reality TV’s golden age, with a contemporary, post-religious, Southern twist.
• Family, both as source of challenges and the ultimate support network, is at the heart of the sisterhood and the show.
• The Gleb relationship saga is dramatic, but it’s ultimately a vehicle to showcase the sisters’ resilience and loyalty.
• The sisters juggle modern dating, evolving beliefs, and being role models for the next generation of “reality families”—with warmth, wit, and a healthy appetite for drama.

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Recommended for: Anyone who enjoys honest, hilarious, and insightful depictions of modern sisterhood, reality TV authenticity, and Southern family culture—with plenty of tea spilled and wisdom shared.

Transcript

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[B]

You're CR.

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Ladies, welcome to the show.

[B]

Thank you for having us.

[A]

So great to be with y'. All. We have Brooks. We have Grace Ann. We have.

[D]

Wait, Mary Holland.

[A]

That's Mary Holland.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

There's eight names.

[A]

Why don't you have a middle name?

[C]

I do have a middle name.

[A]

You don't like it, but.

[C]

No, I liked it. It's just when I first moved to New York and I was modeling and I was with all these crazy New York people in fashion, and they're like, what's your name? And I would say it's Brooks, Claire. They're like, which fucking name is it, Brooks or Claire?

[B]

And I was like, brooks. Yeah.

[C]

I just had to pick a lane, and I just stuck with it.

[A]

Yeah, but how about you? Been able to keep your middle name?

[B]

It's very annoying. Honestly, I have to. Everyone's always like, sarah, nice to meet you. And I have to say, it's Sarah Jane. I go by sj, too, which I think makes it easier, but people always think I'm saying, like, Seriguay.

[C]

What?

[B]

Like. Or like Sergey, like. And I'm like, okay.

[A]

It would be hard to h G. Like, general admission.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, I know. No. General admission is a no for me. Stage only. I go by Gan, Grease and Nader, so that's kind of what I'm rolling with.

[A]

I was like, why are they calling for that?

[B]

Yeah, everyone calls me again, and they have since sixth grade, so that's a safe one.

[C]

You can always use Ganimal.

[B]

Ganimal? Yeah. If I'm in my party zone, I'm Ganimal.

[A]

Now, is that something your parents, like, instilled in you ladies when they named you, Like.

[D]

I do feel like that's a Southern thing.

[B]

Totally Southern.

[C]

My parents still call me, like, if I'll be doing a press day, or, like, I'm doing some event, My parents will shout like, it's Brooks. Claire.

[B]

Like, shut up.

[C]

It's fine.

[B]

It's okay. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, love thy nator. It's great.

[B]

It's really great.

[E]

You guys watch.

[A]

And. Not that I know anything about reality tv, but I. I was one of the few people who said that Secret Lives of Mormon Wives would be a massive hit before everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

[B]

Wow. And what are you saying?

[A]

It's big. I really think you ladies have something. I'm really excited for you.

[B]

Thank you.

[E]

We left it all on the table.

[C]

So you guys have a really.

[A]

I mean, is that something you guys always dreamt of doing? Not Necessarily. Oh, like we're gonna have a reality TV show. But like, as you ladies grew up together, clearly the bonds there did you guys all kind of look in the mirror and been like, I'm a star kind of thing or where did that. Where did that energy come from?

[C]

I can't lie.

[B]

She was a star. Yeah. And she believed it into maybe almost reality, I think.

[C]

Highest form of manifestation.

[B]

I don't think we were ever like, we need a reality show. Like, I want to be on tv, but people would always be like. I think we thought it was normal to just be like, so close and crazy and like, we're always naked running around. Since we were close. Crazy naked Season two. But then as we especially moved to New York, I think we realized like, how special our bond is and how rare it is to be like best friends with your siblings. And so just. It kind of fell in our laps. Like, I feel like it was almost divine timing, like someone.

[C]

Well, I mean, it also had to take, you know, a certain star to.

[B]

Obviously.

[A]

When did humility become your best trait?

[B]

We're still working on next year.

[C]

We are working to mess with them because they are like, you know, loving. Loving the experience, which I think is special. But I have to remind them it.

[A]

Is fun, like watching like, you know, I think nowadays when reality TV shows what, you know, referencing back secret lives of Mormon wives, we watch a lot of tv. And I think what made. What makes those women special or what makes that show special is you don't see them try to edit themselves in a way that like, they're so focused on like, you know, just brands or whatever. Like they're. They're making a TV show. And when I'm watching Love Thy Nadir, I feel the same way about you ladies, where I feel like I'm actually getting an authentic glimpse of. Into your lives. You guys are like, messy in a fun way. Like, you're not necessarily holding back, which I think is great because I think a lot of reality TV shows nowadays, I think so many more people, everyone's just so hand conscious, you know, everyone's just so polished and it's just like, well, I didn't really not why I'm watching. You know, obviously you don't want to be so messy where it's, you know, it turns into the Valley or something like that.

[B]

Right? Pretty damn close.

[A]

I'm curious when you got. When you ladies got together, like, what conversations did you four have or even with your parents about, like, how are you guys going to approach this? Like, what boundaries did you guys have. Was anything off limits or was it like, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna go all the way?

[B]

I think our initial conversations were like, you get one shot. We're just gonna throw it all on the table. Fully be yourself. There's really no other option. And I think if you try to fake things or hide things, it does come out. So it's like, yeah, our whole approach, we were like, let's just do it and free ball it. Okay.

[C]

But you're the only one that had restrictions. I was like, you know, you guys can go for anything for me because whatever, it's fine. It's all just me. But this one over here did have a relationship restriction.

[B]

No, you said, yeah, so like boyfriends. It's like, I'm not gonna force him to be on the show, you know, so that was one that we.

[A]

Are you all in relationships?

[B]

No, just we're single.

[C]

That's two are single. They're in relationships.

[D]

How did your boyfriends react to the show?

[E]

Mine was like, supportive and excited. Honestly. We had just started dating the. The lord. Yeah, as long as it's the title. I mean, honestly, like, I thought he was hot when he had the British accent and then he threw in the title and I was like, oh God, the knees are buckling.

[B]

He's a.

[A]

He's a lord.

[E]

He's a lord. Yeah, like whatever.

[C]

That you're going to be a.

[B]

Still don't know.

[C]

Right?

[E]

Yeah. I would be a lady.

[B]

She's the only one of us. She's as lady as. As one of us gets. Right?

[C]

We needed one lady.

[B]

If one of us is going to date a lord, it's gon be that.

[A]

What is being a lord entail?

[E]

I wish I knew. I mean, I love the type. Like, I don't. He's tried to explain it to me and it's all like very English law. Things that I can't even follow. And I'm like, honestly, I don't care what it means. It probably means nothing.

[C]

Now spin off, we all go to the palace or whatever, royal wedding or something.

[D]

Let's get like the royal's opinion on.

[E]

Oh my gosh.

[B]

I know, exactly.

[E]

Parents are very like posh and proper. I met them this summer and they were like, so when is your show coming out? Like, we can't wait to see it. And I'm like, actually, don't watch it.

[B]

Never mind. You should say, actually you're going to be in season two. It's going to be so watch Billy's in the Cotswold.

[E]

Is Disney airing in London? I hope not.

[A]

You don't want to hear, like, the sister threesome.

[B]

There's. Yeah, there's a little six some. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what? Okay.

[C]

That'S a go.

[B]

No, it was, I think, though, before the show. To get back to your question, we all were like, this is a huge opportunity for us, obviously. And even my parents were like, my mom never curses, but she was like, screw it. Like, we're just gonna go on. She said the F word. I don't. Yeah, she said crap. Yeah, we're still protected, but. Yeah, I think we just were. Our biggest thing was we didn't want to walk away and be like, we could have, like, put more on the table or we, like, hid too much or we, like, protected certain parts of ourselves. I think our goal was just to be as raw and, like, opened as we could. That sounds great. We definitely raw. Dogged it. Yeah. But, yeah, and I think we are proud because we did that, and I hope that that resonates. And the editors and producers, like, really did a good job from what we've seen of capturing, like, our true personalities. Yeah.

[E]

I will say we all had to give up different things. I had a corporate job, like, was there for five years. I was so comfortable, and I didn't want to quit. When we first started filming and Deutsche bank, where I was, they were like, yeah, no, we're not filming a real. I was at Deutsche Bank.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Thanks a lot, guys.

[E]

I was there, and the bank was like, yeah, you're not filming a reality show here, obviously. So I had to quit almost. I'm so glad I did, obviously.

[C]

But they were supportive of you.

[E]

But then they were like, you can film your exit. And I thought that that would be a perfect kind of Gen Z leaving corporate America moment.

[B]

But now they're her biggest fans. They're throwing a watch party. Oh, yeah. If you're watching this tv. Love you guys. Love you tv. I'm like the mascot.

[A]

Someone who used to work in corporate America. I don't miss it.

[E]

No. I will say I'm never going back.

[B]

Seems to be the common consensus. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

You can always go back to once.

[D]

This is out and airing. Brooks, do you feel like you're going to have a little bit of protective sister mode? Obviously? You've been in this world for so long. Do you feel like you're going to be like that? Are going to be like it, y'?

[B]

All?

[D]

I just want to go to the wolf now.

[B]

You know, I'm Not.

[C]

I'm so protective of you guys. I'm obviously harder on you in person because that's how you parent than you, you know, protect outside. But, yeah, I feel like I've more recently, you know, been opened up to more criticism and scrutiny and whatever. And truthfully, like, none of it really does hurt my feelings. But then when people start. Which they've started to rip on them already, I'm like, oh, no. You know, appearances or weight or this. You know, all the things.

[B]

No, no. Not saying, you know, what people call.

[C]

Y' all ugly and stuff sometimes, but people say things like that. They really do about y'. All.

[B]

No, I.

[A]

You know, in case you didn't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, they say that you have horrible eyebrows and a unibrow and all this stuff.

[B]

Serious. They should have seen it a year ago.

[A]

I used to think I was a pretty attractive guy, and then I went on tv and I was like, I am ugly.

[B]

Yeah. Actually. Yeah.

[A]

Now when you go on tv, they'll. They'll.

[B]

No, you should have watched it last night.

[C]

We watched it for the first time, and. Oh, my God. I have a whole entire list of plastic seasons.

[B]

I go, I'm getting my face done, my boobs done. I'm getting plastic. I literally. Season two, I will be in full bandages. No, that's so camera ready. Season thing.

[D]

The season two work that, like, people.

[B]

Watch themselves on tv, and then they're.

[D]

Like, okay, no surgery.

[B]

I also. But we're going to film the surgery.

[C]

Film it.

[B]

It'll be. I also was like, is. Do I have a resting face all the time?

[C]

And I guess I do.

[A]

I do.

[B]

My resting face is literally that. I look like a raging.

[A]

I always look miserable.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think you're great. I don't know this for years. And I was like, why. Why does everyone think I'm mean, Are.

[D]

Y' all prepared for the. I mean, I'm sure you've gotten it your whole life, but the dill comments.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

Because that's.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So we have a new rule.

[C]

Can I just tell them?

[B]

Okay, wait.

[C]

Jane and I have a thing for older gentlemen that are around my dad's age.

[B]

What is your dad?

[C]

51.

[B]

Which is an equal part to, like, hard to do. Yeah.

[C]

Lower, low.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

For me, at least. I'm 28, so me and your dad can be friends. Yeah, well, that's the thing. They get along.

[B]

I think I would be very good friends.

[C]

But sarajane goes, okay, we have to make a new rule with this whole old man Thing we're doing, the guys we fuck cannot be uglier than dad.

[B]

Because when you see them next to each other and you're like, oh, I guess we'll do. I guess we'll be starting now after the starter. Track record. Yeah. Starting next week. No, he. Yeah, he is. He's cute. He's a cute. We love him.

[E]

See it in our TikToks.

[A]

Let's not sell mom short.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

I mean, mom's out. She's the hottest. Mom's hot.

[A]

Parents.

[B]

They're so cute too. Like, they're so in love. When we were watching it last night, we were like, like, he's like, pulling her hair out of her face.

[E]

No, they really are precious.

[C]

I mean, like, me getting a divorce, everything. Dad's like, are you gonna get it net right next time or the next time? And I'm like, daddy, I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah. They're so innocent and precious.

[E]

Put them through it.

[A]

Well, I really enjoyed watching the first season because honestly, your lady's like family or childhood in a lot of ways. Like, I have 10 siblings.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Same mom and dad.

[B]

10.

[C]

Shut up.

[A]

I'm the second oldest.

[B]

Oh, wow. I stand with you.

[A]

19.

[B]

Oh, my God. Guys, girls, I need a family photo.

[C]

Where are you from?

[B]

I mean, y' all need a reality show. Yeah, seriously. Should we do a spin off collab? We could do a collab Paradise. But, like, right, you're a family now. Like Seven Brides for seven Brothers.

[A]

I don't think I could do it, but you guys are doing great. But, you know, like, I'm sure you could guess. Like, we grew up very, very religious. Like a very, Like, I had a great childhood around. Centered around religion, obviously. As you know, my parents, I grew up very conservative. A lot of rules just, you know, and then, you know, I give my parents a lot of credit because I feel like as their kids got older and went on to the real world, they've become a lot more open to, like, the world. They become more progressive through their kids kind of, you know, their kids kind of got older and we were just kind of like, you're.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Say that anymore.

[A]

And so, you know, they still have their core values. But so, like, watching your show, I. It reminded me a lot the way you ladies kind of interact with each other and just, you know, what you guys are doing outside of the real world. I mean, just made me wonder, like, what was your childhood like? Was it very hardcore, very conservative? Like, how did you ladies go from a household that seemed very traditional, very Christian to, you know, being on a reality TV show, talking about sex, talking about your bodies, talking about threesomes.

[B]

She's getting.

[C]

I will say one thing. Everyone online is like, okay, you guys didn't grow up that poor. Your dad works in like, you know, the finance world and whatever. People have to remember that he actually worked for a nonprofit called Fellowship of Christian Athletes, fca from the time we were born till I was like 8 years old. So that was a core part of my childhood. We lived in that house that they show on the TV until I was 8. Then we moved to the big city of Baton Rouge. We moved into a three bedroom house. We didn't move into this huge house and currently we still live in that house in Baton Rouge. You know what I mean? So, yeah, he now built himself up. Basically what happened was he worked for FCA and he had four daughters and he was like 25 and he was like, I'm getting cars donated, food donated to the house because he made $12,000 a year. This is like public knowledge. People are like, you did not grow poor. I'm like, oh yeah, we did. Or at least from my memory because I'm the oldest, you know. And so he was like, I can't work in this industry anymore. Even though I'm passionate about it, you know, being a minister, I have to get a another job because I can't feed these bitches.

[B]

According to the colony as a pastor.

[C]

So that was kind of our whole, you know, upbringing was centered around like Christian camps and, you know, sports and Christianity basically. Our grandfather was an athletic coach at LSU football. So it was basically football and God was like our entire life. And then when my dad went into the, you know, finance world, it wasn't like an overnight thing. And he's still to this day. I mean, I out earn him, but like, you know, he's, he makes decent money to like live in these.

[B]

And everything.

[C]

I'm like, dresses like that and he works.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, your parents do like.

[C]

Look like waspy rich.

[A]

They present.

[B]

Yeah, Honestly, they loved her ex husband and I think he copied his style. Yeah, dad, a little wasp. He did. He learned to play golf and copied his style.

[E]

And I will say that throughout our childhood, they worked really hard to make us not feel poor. They would always say, we're rich in love. We're rich in love. And because our grandfather was an athletic coach at lsu, we went to a semi kind of private school through lsu. So we really worked hard to not feel poor, if that makes sense. And like Brooks Was always trying to save up her babysitting money to buy the Juicy Couture sweatsuit or whatever it was.

[C]

She's a trend.

[E]

But since we were little, we had that work ethic instilled because we couldn't do anything without our own money.

[A]

Yeah. I always said, like, my parents gave me everything I need and things we wanted. We had to work for jobs when I was.

[C]

But I feel like that's probably part of your success now is because the.

[A]

Way you were raised 100%, I knew what it meant to, like, work for something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, like, if I wanted it, I had to work for it. My parents let me work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like. Yeah. Growing up, I had a great childhood. And my. I. Oh, my. I have a core memory of just knowing my. The scene. My parents worry about money. If you saw the house I grew up in, looked pretty nice. Like, it wasn't like. But, you know, it was. They. They figured it out. They invested their entire life into giving back to their children. And you saw that. But, yeah, like, we. Money was always a concern, you know, like, worrying about money. How are we gonna make the next. You know. But like, you. Yeah. They didn't present as pouring.

[C]

Well, that's the thing. And when I moved to New York, my dad tells me all the time, you know. Cause then by the time she moved, he helped her with her apartment and, like, rent and whatever. And when I moved, I dropped out of Tulane on a full ride scholarship and he gave me a thousand dollars. It was like, good luck to you.

[A]

What was your full scholarship in?

[C]

It was in finance at Tulane, but it was a legislator scholarship, like a Louisiana. I. I found a way, a loophole, like. And I was like, I want to.

[B]

Go to Tulane for finance. She's a finance prodigy.

[C]

That's how I got it. So I got around with the legislators.

[A]

I was about to be like, who's the smartest one in the room? And then it's like, yes, but who is the smartest?

[B]

I think you can change that several ways. But Mary Holland is, like, on her side.

[E]

I'm like, I think, no.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Book smart.

[B]

Book smart. Grace Hand. Actually, I'm definitely. She has a photographic memory. And she's like, a little.

[C]

We can't have this argument right now.

[B]

I'm definitely the smartest.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Also, I will say on the. Being raised, you know, worrying about money things, the most important thing was that you are always getting up and going to work no matter what it is. Now I very much adopt. Now I very much adopt the philosophy of like work smart, not hard. You know what I mean? Which I think is a little bit different than how we were raised. When we were raised, oh, work and like, you know, like go to the farm and like work all day. But now I'm like, why don't we work on a farm? But like, that was the, that was the vibe. We have summer months when we, I think also like when you're raised, like when kids are like helicoptered and their parents are like controlling everything they do. They turn 18 and they go crazy. Helicopter day. They go crazy though. We were helicoptered. No, but they go crazy. It's like the same philosophy. Like, Brooks wasn't allowed to wear a two piece her whole life when she was. When she. Yeah. Moved to New York and was like, I'm going for si. Like you kind of go the opposite way. And I think we've gone the complete opposite way of how we were raised. But also our parents have definitely, like, grown to expand their like, beliefs and just like accept they are like the most supportive parents. They are.

[C]

And that's what my dad tells me. He's like, okay. Because I'm like, this is unfair. You help her with her. When you give me a thousand dollars and we're like, deal with it. At 18 when I dropped out or 19. And he goes, well, if I had the money, then I would have helped you. But I literally didn't have it.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[C]

And it worked out.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah.

[D]

It could have been a lot different. Honestly, I don't even know what it.

[C]

Would be like, you know, because I just went to my agency and begged them for all the, you know, hand modeling jobs, hand jobs.

[B]

I was like, I need to make my. I'll do anything.

[C]

So, you know, it made me have a lot of grit. And you know, I did E Commerce for Walmart, you know, lingerie, Walmart, bare necessities owned by Walmart. Four times a week in Matuch in New Jersey, took the NJ Transit. Made like nothing. But I did that for an entire year and it paid my rent and allowed me to live in New York. And I look back on those times as, you know, building. Building me up to what I am today. So that's why I hope they do some lingerie. Walmart.

[B]

I'm in Jersey doing E Comm.

[A]

What was your big break?

[C]

I think probably Sports Illustrated was, was what introduced me into the scene on a different level. It was always like on my mood board. Growing up I had like Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford and all the great supermodels on My vision board. And then I was already signed to a modeling agency. And I told them, like, I really want to be in Sports Illustrated as my dream. And they were like, they would never look at you twice. So I went to an open casting call with 10,000 people in Miami and waited in line for, like, eight hours.

[B]

My mom went with.

[A]

Great. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And I was signed to an agency and all these people. The open casting call, the point of it was to not be assigned, model and be regular and still get a chance. And I was signed, but I just went. And then I ended up sending a signed copy of my cover when I.

[B]

Got the COVID to that agency, who.

[C]

I then left, and I was like, so, yeah, shout out.

[B]

Wishing you the best.

[D]

I feel like your divorce wasn't. I don't know if it gets touched on later in the. But it.

[B]

It isn't.

[D]

Doesn't feel like it's much of a conversation. Was that something that you did purposefully of, like, this is my life now. I don't really want to, like, go backwards.

[C]

I would say it's a part of my story, and it's a part of who I am and what shaped me. I feel like, you know. Why are you laughing?

[B]

I would say. No, I would say that and an NDA. And that'll do it. That'll do it.

[C]

Okay, so you just ruined the whole thing.

[A]

But, yeah, this is why the show's good.

[B]

NDA.

[C]

Okay, well, I don't really care.

[B]

You probably shouldn't say NDA about it.

[C]

No, no, no. I can say about my experiences. That's a fine print.

[A]

So you had to sign an NDA?

[C]

Well, we both did. It was a mutually exclusive one. Is that allowed to say? But I didn't say it.

[B]

Actually, she said it. I can't say anything.

[A]

I think you're allowed to say you signed an NDA.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Because someone who makes a lot of.

[B]

People signifying the Fifth. Yeah. But I think that I'm a different.

[C]

Person when I was married to him, and when I met him, I was like. It was the first guy I ever dated. Met in New York. I was 19 years old, my first night in New York City, and then I stayed with him till 27. And I'm 28 now, so I feel like it did shape me, and it was a really, really hard decision to, you know, get a divorce because just because you don't love somebody, that's why I did it. So that's.

[B]

Damn.

[D]

So you just, like, fell out of love?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You never really love.

[A]

Well, how do you know it?

[B]

I think you grew out of the relationship.

[C]

And what I thought was right. What happened was, how old was he? We started dating. He was like 11 years older than.

[B]

Me, so a baby.

[C]

But we started dating. And then my mom's like, okay, great. And then what you do in New York is you move in because it saves money. So we moved in. So my parents thought, okay, they're going to get married. And then he asked my parents, and then I had no idea. And they were like, of course. Great. Engage. And my mom has the wedding already planned because she's Southern, right? You know, so she's like, I got Leslie Campbell. She's already planned the wedding. It's me. At Ursuline Convent in New Orleans. Like the classic thing.

[A]

How old were you when you got married?

[C]

Like 23, 22.

[B]

You were 22? Yeah. So. And she met him when she was like, 18. So she never really dated.

[A]

Never dated.

[B]

Never dated.

[C]

I had my speech for my second wedding. I tried this once and it didn't work out. This one's gonna suck.

[A]

That matters. Like, when you meet someone dep. Depending on their age and their life experiences. You met a guy at 18 and then that was like, all you knew.

[B]

You were a different person at 18 versus, like, whatever it was. Your first boyfriend.

[A]

How did you break that news?

[B]

That. On my birthday, actually.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

At my birthday party.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

It seems to be a bit of a theme. It was like six month process of, like, me trying to do it. And I was doing it. I was slowly but surely.

[B]

And then that was the day that it was the nail in the coffin.

[C]

And then the nail in the coffin day was her birthday. And her birthday party. And Gracie Ann goes, what was it, a random birth year? 23rd. She's like, of course. She decides to do this on my 23rd birthday.

[A]

It's been going on for six months.

[B]

But really, my birthday is not a big deal to me. I don't care about it.

[C]

So. Yeah.

[E]

And then still go to the party.

[C]

Not a big deal to her family, if you want. And then he showed up to the.

[B]

Birthday party with 10 friends, which was like, so the three.

[D]

The three of you did not.

[E]

It was so awkward. It was like a heist.

[B]

No, we didn't.

[E]

So let me think.

[D]

What did y'.

[B]

All Go right ahead.

[D]

Girl experience through that marriage.

[E]

Well, we watched her just fall apart because we're all very much people pleasers. And we divorce was not okay growing up. Like, it wasn't really an option. And my parents didn't take it very well at first. So I think we were all kind of going through it with her. And you can tell in the show, we go through a lot of things together. We feel each other's pain. So that was really hard for us. But then we also were realizing that she was coming into, like, singlehood for the first time ever, and her younger sisters were more experienced than her in that.

[B]

Right.

[E]

That's probably the only area where we were more experienced.

[B]

So we were like, okay, wait, we.

[E]

Have to, like, step up to the plate and help her the way she's helped us.

[B]

Show her how to dmg.

[E]

Show her how to, like, respond to a text.

[B]

So reentry into single dating and being single, we were talking about. It was actually funny. It was so iconic in my life and it was so much fun. When Brooks got single again, it was so much fun. I also was newly single at that time, and for three months we just had the best time.

[D]

Did you just have, like, the most, like, iconic roster?

[B]

Yeah, I was.

[E]

Right now, I mean, it's. She's getting better.

[B]

Her roster, it's changing every day.

[A]

How many professional sports are we working?

[B]

I mean, I think we're spanning. We're spanning quite a few. We've gotten into categories.

[E]

We are scanning. We're becoming fans of a lot of.

[B]

I won't say categories, but I will say we're dipping more into, like, the country club sports now. You know what I mean? We're getting off the field.

[A]

Well, I mean, your sister is dating a lord, so it's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So anyway, that's all out there.

[B]

Okay. But yeah, I think the divorce was also, like, we were really close to him and so it was like, yeah.

[C]

The, like, I was like, say goodbye, girls.

[B]

It was. It was weird.

[E]

And then we didn't know.

[B]

Yeah, no. Well, this is the worst part. So she's awful with confrontation. Like, she can like, like, do any. Any deal, any business thing, but when you have to have, like a serious emotional conversation, she will not have it. And so she puts the nail in the coffin is like, we're getting a divorce. We're signing the papers. You're moving out, and then flies to LA and leaves. Conveniently. She could probably pick the date and always have a gym. And then left my parents with her ex husband to, like, really deliver the news and, like, move him out. So he's like, really upset. My parents are taking care of him and we don't have to do them like that.

[A]

He didn't take it well?

[C]

Yeah, no.

[B]

And my Parents didn't take it well either. They were distraught, like, mortified. And it was worse than we were.

[E]

Coming out to, like, talk to him for a while. We didn't know if we, like, at first, she was like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I.

[C]

Had drinks with your ex husband last night. He's looking good. I was like, whoa, where are you gonna tell us that? She's like, what?

[B]

He's my friend.

[C]

I was like, like, okay.

[A]

We're still rooting for him, aren't we?

[B]

I mean, yeah.

[C]

And we wish him all the best. He's a really.

[B]

He's a really nice guy.

[E]

He is sweet.

[A]

Has he moved on?

[B]

Yes, he's dating.

[D]

So sweet.

[B]

I don't know. Last I saw him, he was dating some girl. No, this was months ago. Months ago.

[C]

You saw months ago.

[B]

I feel like we shouldn't give him this much hair. Yeah. Guys, moving on.

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[B]

So.

[D]

Let'S get into glab, shall we?

[B]

Yeah, we're ready.

[C]

I know Gleb, you know, Nick was.

[D]

On Dancing with the Stars.

[B]

Wait, why?

[A]

Yeah, when?

[C]

Who's your partner?

[A]

Peter.

[C]

Oh, she's beautiful. I love her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Did you have great experience?

[A]

I did. I loved it. It was a great experience.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So when you found out you you were going to be partnered with Gleb, initial response.

[B]

Well, so she was excited. No.

[C]

Well, what happened was they called me and she's like, if you could describe your perfect ideal partner. And it was last summer. I was newly single and I had like three boyfriends. Great roster. And I was like, give me the hottest, douchiest fuck boy in the whole roster.

[B]

She's like. They're like, this is exactly why we hired him.

[C]

So I kind of asked for it. I go back to that in my head and blame myself all the time. And she's like, we have the guy. And so there he was.

[D]

Did you know it was him?

[C]

She showed me. She told me his name, and I googled him. I didn't know anything about him, but I googled him, and I was like, oh, my God, he's perfect. And then he. I walked in the studio the first day, and what I saw on Google, he had lost, like, 30 pounds. All the muscle was gone.

[B]

He was bald.

[C]

And I was like, what the fuck?

[B]

And he was.

[A]

By bald, you mean, like, shaved his head?

[C]

Well, he shaved his head, but he's going through, like, a wellness phase of, like, no drinking, no anything. Of course. Night one. I'm like, want to come to my house and have a shot of tequila? So I kind of blurred the line from day one as well. But I liked him.

[A]

You're newly single. You're on Dance with the Stars. Like, why would you do anything?

[B]

But why not?

[C]

I was like, you're sweating on him for eight hours a day.

[B]

Five years at night.

[E]

It's impossible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did we hook up the first night?

[C]

I think it was probably, like, the fourth or fifth night maybe.

[B]

What? When y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Which is pretty good.

[C]

Honestly.

[B]

It was before the first night.

[E]

Studying on each other all day.

[B]

I remember that you needed to have.

[D]

Good chemistry for the first show.

[B]

Well, but does it work?

[C]

My way of looking at it was like, I don't want to do this dilly dally build tension thing all season. Let me see it.

[B]

Right? Yeah.

[C]

I want to see what you're made of.

[D]

And what was it?

[C]

You guys are so messy. I don't even want to talk about it.

[B]

Don't give him that. Oh, okay.

[D]

Yeah, we don't need to give him that.

[A]

He's crushing it. It sounds like.

[C]

With what?

[A]

Just with his clothes off.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Okay. So throughout Dancing with the Stars, this is, like, becoming a real relationship. Like, y' all are actually.

[B]

I was dating. They were dating. And I will say, when I first met Gleb, I literally said to you the very first time, I was like, I have a feeling that this is gonna be a very long, drawn out thing. And I feel like this man's gonna be in our life for a very long time, and it's gonna end very badly.

[A]

Why'd you. Why'd you make sense?

[B]

Just because I met him and he was like. I was like, they don't.

[C]

Like.

[B]

You had a look in his eye. I just saw it. He was very like.

[C]

Like, no, she doesn't want to do this.

[B]

Like, yeah. He was like, no, like, you will come with me. And I was like, brooksie will come with me in my apartment.

[D]

I love you.

[B]

I love you. But I will say we all, like, in the good times. Like, I was living with Brooks in la, and he was, like, at our house. He basically lived there. And, like, I loved him. Like, we had quality time. Like, it was like brother vibes. Like, he was so sweet and cool. And so I think that's why throughout the show, like, the emotions surrounding Gleb and just in life are like, like, so real for all of us because it's like, we built a bond, and, I mean, she went through it the hardest. I didn't date the man, but, like, yeah, no, I will say traumatic situation.

[C]

Like, well, I just felt like the. There was a part of me that whenever I went to Dancing with the Stars, I have, like, a dance background. I was on the high school dance team, so I really did want to.

[B]

What?

[C]

I was on the high school dancing bitch. Fucking don't laugh at my love for dance. And I really wanted to dance and, like, learn how to dance, and I. He's really horrible at choreography. He always has been. And so I didn't have a chance in hell between the banging on the side and this and that. And, like, I was literally.

[A]

I thought you guys did pretty good.

[B]

Yeah, better.

[C]

But, you know, that's fine.

[E]

They got eliminated the night we danced with them, so that's still a tough job.

[B]

I mean, we had. Yeah, that was true. But I will say, Gleb was so sweet, and we had so many fun times, and I do seriously wish him the best. I don't. Are you forgetting? What did you forget?

[A]

What?

[B]

He's having a drink tomorrow. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, but. Wouldn't be surprised.

[C]

Well, I'm just kidding.

[A]

Can't get drinks, experiences, a glab. I haven't really talked to him in a while, but, like, yeah, you meet him, he makes a great first impression. He's.

[C]

If you have him on the podcast after us, I swear to God.

[A]

Should we not.

[B]

Don't.

[A]

Why not? We don't want to hear his side.

[B]

You.

[C]

No, no, no, no, we don't. No, no, no. I mean, you can't. He says everything. You know, I feel like he's already.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How is he? How is he? Yeah. Like, what's his position? I mean, every time I hear Gleb in the news about someone he's dating, it's always like, I didn't do that. Yeah, he's like the. The Shaggy or whatever. What is it? Was it me?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Deny, deny, deny.

[B]

It's all slander. He thinks happened before. You know what I mean?

[C]

Like, it's.

[B]

It's.

[D]

Did you ever have any conversations with any of his previous.

[C]

No.

[D]

Did any of them, like, reach out and be like, girl, me too, actually.

[B]

I actually thought about reaching out.

[C]

No, we had. I don't know if one of his very close friends who's no longer on Dancing with the Stars, was married to a girlfriend of mine, and she told me her experience with him, which checked.

[D]

Out to everything that a threesome in Joshua Tree.

[C]

Well, not that she wasn't around.

[B]

She.

[C]

He's no longer in her life because her and her man got divorced. They have a baby and.

[B]

And she is it. Yeah. So many people.

[C]

How. Because she was his celeb on dinosaurs. That's how they met. Not.

[B]

Okay, whatever.

[C]

I'm just saying, she was just like, this is how he is. Like, she was like, I saw you in the thick of it, like, online and on TikTok during the season. I wanted to reach out to you and be like, girl, run. But she was like, I knew it had to play out and whatever. So this isn't news to anyone.

[A]

So it's funny that you say this is how he is, because when I'm watching Love Thy Nadir and I've met Gleb and like, if I didn't know him or watch the show, like, what is being portrayed is your classic, you know, love bomber. You know, you're just like, gaslighting kind of lying scumbag is the kind of.

[C]

Like, he.

[A]

He checks a lot of those boxes. But, like, you're also like, I don't. It's just maybe this is who he is. He has this way of, like, I don't know if it's the Russian in.

[B]

Him or whatever it is. I don't know what it is, but it's like.

[A]

Like, it's like, I don't know. Did you feel that kind of energy all the time?

[B]

And he would say things all the time about even he would be mean about, like, oh, you need to fix this about your appearance. And I'd be like, don't eat those cheese. That's just you. Like, it's kind of like a mental. Like, it's a little mind flighty. It's almost like it's like a little Stockholm syndrome. I think I have that.

[C]

Like, when you guys all thought y' all dated him, by the way this conversation's going, you're like, well, so whenever he would Tell me this.

[B]

Emotionally abusive. You had Stockholm for sure. We just had blindness.

[E]

You did have Stockholm.

[B]

But I think. I think, like, I still go back and forth in my head, like the.

[C]

First two episodes, but I was in real. Like, none of it was at all produced. Like, I was in like the darkest. When I rewatched it, I was like, oh, that was a dark couple of months because I was just like, like spiraling.

[B]

It was crazy how everything just like. I almost think it was like, it made me want to become religious again. Because, like, the fact that, like, you found out that information when you did, like, it could have been a whole year long thing, you know? Can't. Can we.

[A]

I mean, how did you find out?

[B]

The car. He left his. Can we say that?

[D]

I mean, the episode's already out.

[B]

He left his phone in the car and it was in the Uber to the airport. Uber. He left it.

[C]

We.

[B]

He could not have, like, done anything.

[C]

To do with that. The driver just showed up the apartment and was like, basically, I didn't hear from her.

[B]

If you're gonna die.

[C]

And I was like, this is so weird. I don't understand what's going on. And then the driver was like, hey, this phone was left in our car. Like, no one produced this. This is really the Uber driver. And it was gloves. And so, you know, I did what girls do and do.

[A]

You knew. You knew his password.

[E]

We can't disclose how we got in.

[A]

Somehow, some way, you found your way into the phone.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

As any girl would.

[C]

Okay, everyone's done it in this situation.

[A]

And was it an immediate, like, oh, we're going to do this, or she.

[B]

Didn'T want to get in. I was already suspicious. I was suspicious. I didn't want to do cheating. And so I was like, you have to go through.

[A]

Why were you suspicious?

[B]

I'm not an. I am not a go through the man's phone proponent. But instance, I was like, yeah, never been through your phone. Don't worry. But in this instance, I was like, we have to.

[C]

They were like, tik tok about him being on the dating.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And tik tok of him, like, on Raya or Hinge or something that same day. That was like, his profile. Yeah. And people were sending it to me.

[A]

I mean, Ry is hard to get off of.

[B]

Yeah, they will.

[A]

It's like quitting a gym.

[B]

But you pay for it.

[A]

What?

[B]

But you paid for.

[D]

Tell me to.

[B]

He's like, I still have the app. I can't get off.

[C]

They're so obsessed with me. They're fan.

[B]

They don't want to let me go.

[A]

You delete the account. I had people, like, telling me, but.

[B]

Then we had some girls.

[A]

You had to, like, reach out to them, and you really had to be like, take me off your app.

[B]

I'm married with a child. Right here's. We knew people, like, second degree, though. Like, one of my friends in LA knew somebody who had been messaging him, and so. And it was, like, a few degrees away, but I was hearing things like that also, though, more than, like, the cheating suspicion, he was just. It was escalating so fast. Like, he was talking about moving in with all of us. And, like, I was scared for not even asking.

[E]

Just telling us, like, it's our house, our show. This is our, like, talking about the show and, like, our house, like, it was his and we were his, like.

[A]

And so were you dating when you knew Love thy Nadir was picked up or gonna film?

[B]

Yes. He was there for that whole journey of it situation.

[A]

And when I. Super excited.

[B]

He was very. He was talking about all of the future plans for all of us five together. I'm like, whoa. I mean, I hope. I hope that he, like, fixes whatever's going on in there and, like, can respect a person like, one day. I don't know, Like.

[A]

And do you guys, like, define the relationship?

[B]

Do we define it?

[C]

I mean, he told me, I love you, like, day one.

[A]

No, I know, but did you ever. Not that I'm not not defending him, but I am curious because, like, yeah, in 2025, no one's defining relationships. No one's like, boyfriend and girlfriend.

[C]

Yeah, he, like, referred to me as his girlfriend.

[B]

They were dating, and he would get jealous of guys and, like, y' all were dating, you know.

[A]

When did he first say I love you?

[C]

Day one, I swear to God, Like, I think it was.

[A]

And that didn't, like, raise a red flag.

[E]

Oh, I. For me, it did.

[B]

She was like, whoa. The thing that raised red flags for me is to the point when you notice your sister's mood is so dependent on someone texting her. Not texting her, or what they're saying. My parents were, like, really freaked out.

[C]

By me during that day. They're like, you're really manic. And actually, what was really cute but wasn't filmed that, like, really broke my heart was. I was really upset and I was, like, depressed and wouldn't get out of bed for, like, three days. And my parents were in town. They extended their stay one more day. And I'm such a daddy's girl. And everyone was going out to brunch for. People say, daddy's girl. I'm not talking about the guys.

[A]

I like the way you all laugh at each other is kind of my favorite thing about y'.

[B]

All. Daddy's girl is a son saying, don't say that. Okay, go. Okay, go, Daddy.

[C]

Speaking of that, sorry. My dad is saved as Daddy in my phone. And it rings and she goes, that could be so many people. Oh, my God.

[B]

Daddy passed the song. Okay.

[C]

So anyways, my dad, my father.

[D]

You're a father's girl.

[C]

He stayed. And I was so depressed and upset. And everyone was going to this big brunch. The whole family, mom, everyone. And I thought that I was home alone. So I, like, mosey up. And I love my dad making me breakfast. It's like my favorite thing. He makes bacon and eggs. And, like, he does it in a special way. It's like our favorite little pastime. So it's like 4pm And I wake up. I roll out of bed. I look like I've been hit by a truck. And I roll upstairs thinking, no one's here. And Dad's like, oh. And he pulls it out of the microwave and has the breakfast ready. And he goes, yeah, they all went to lunch. And he told all of them, I'm gonna stay in case she wakes up. I wanna have the breakfast ready for her. And I started calling. They were like, he didn't want to come. He's like, what if she wakes up?

[B]

I'm gonna cry. That was really.

[C]

And I have a photo of him with the plate. I', oh, it's so late with the eggs and the bacon. I go, I have to take a photo of this. And she's like, it's gonna be okay. And I was like, is it?

[B]

I've never seen her as upset as she was during that, like, yeah, week. Yeah.

[C]

Let's tell about your thing. She crawls in bed with me. Sarah. Jana. Crawling for three days. And I'm howling. And she goes.

[B]

She was like, you will be done.

[C]

With this by morning.

[B]

To sleep with her every night. And she's like. And I'm like, it's been days. Like, you're done. You will be done with this by morning. I don't want to hear a peep about this.

[A]

No, that. Now, how much do you think his. I mean, his looks had to do.

[B]

With a lot of it. The whole part of my. Let's put it this way. I think if he were unattractive, we would never be in this debacle in the first place.

[A]

He's so hot.

[B]

Objectively.

[A]

I always thought I was a handsome fellow. I grew up in. But I grew up in Wisconsin. And then I go to LA and I meet gl and I'm like, jesus Christ.

[B]

You kind of can't trust somebody that.

[E]

No, you can't.

[B]

He's a guy.

[C]

From now on.

[B]

Something wrong with you. I agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.

[A]

It's shocking.

[C]

No, it is blinding for me.

[E]

And he knows it.

[A]

And he knows it. And he has a very masculine, like, you know a lot of very pretty men.

[D]

Okay, that's enough.

[B]

Yeah, right. I hate him.

[C]

You're not making me feel better, Nick.

[B]

She did, after the whole cheating thing, she's like. I mean, like, he's not hot. And I was like, this was a day ago.

[C]

It was an E News thing. It was like, Gleb response, blah, blah, blah. It's the easy thing. I'm looking like, what? An goes, can we hang out with him in la? Come on.

[B]

Yeah. She goes, I mean, but are we gonna see him? I was like.

[A]

Because I feel like ladies don't, like. I feel like women don't fall in love with their eyes as much as men do.

[C]

I think that's false.

[E]

She did. She was also. This was her first boyfriend, keep in mind, since her ex boyfriend. I mean, her ex husband.

[B]

Since her ex husband, she had many boyfriends.

[C]

No, it wasn't.

[E]

But, like, the first one, you really were loved. Bomb by and, like, fell into it.

[A]

I will say, though, like, watching. Despite his good looks, watching Love Thy Nadir in the first episode where he keeps. I think he says I love you to you like 60 times. I don't hear him say I love you. What I hear him say is my face loves you. And it says. Almost as if he, you know, he's doing you're mad a little bit. And he goes, hey, I love you. There's nothing behind it. There's no like, this is why I love you. It's just like, I just. Whatever.

[C]

I love you.

[B]

All right. It's like his response to everything. I love you. Also, like, she's like, I feel bad. He's mad. Like, she's never one to be, like, catering to anyone, like a man. So when she's like, I feel like y' all were me to him or like, whatever. And he's like, out here being rude to my dad, which, like, how do you be rude to my dad? No, I mean, that is such a red flag.

[E]

I feel like the viewers will see that too.

[B]

He's Perfect. But I feel like that's just, like, a dead giveaway of, like, this guy doesn't have.

[C]

Also, my parents never speak up about guys we date. They always keep their mouths shut. And they were vocal about the thing. They were like, we do not like this. We don't see this going well.

[A]

Like, this is before you found out.

[C]

About the whole time. Throughout the whole season, like, of Dancing with the Star and us looking face. There's all these backward photos of us, like, rock and roll night. And my dad is, like, right behind.

[B]

Us, and I'm like, okay, maybe that.

[C]

Was rude just to have no consideration. Look, watching it back, the episode, and knowing that my family's so conservative, if you cared any about getting respected at all. I feel like watching it back when I was in it, I was in it, so I didn't really realize. But watching it back and seeing the amount of pda, which. It takes two to tango, I guess. But in front of my dad, just standing there, it's like.

[A]

It's aggressive.

[B]

It's a lot. Yeah. The straddling.

[D]

I was like, oh, my God. This is like, I'm from the south, and I can't imagine, like, in front of. I mean, even. I'm, like, married with a child, and my mom will stay with us for long periods of time, and I'm, like, kissing Nick in front of my mom. I'm like, I'm so sorry, Mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, just.

[B]

We're just buddies. Like, we don't need to, like, do anything. But.

[A]

Yeah. It's almost like he was like this natural Lothario kind of like, that's just what he does. And I think that's the part where it almost. Not that you want to forgive him, but he just.

[B]

Just. He's, like, unaware almost of, like, the manipulation.

[A]

It's almost as if, like. And it's not okay, but it's like he was raised. You just tell a woman you love her right when you're in trouble or whatever. And, like, that's. That's all she wants to hear, is, I love you. And as long as you just say I love you, you kind of can do whatever you want.

[B]

Right? Right. Right.

[A]

And that seems to be how he does.

[B]

That's a good insight. I mean, I'm sure it's. I'm sure it's worked for him in the past. I'm sure it's gotten him out of many debacles. What was.

[D]

I remember, like, when y' all were on Dancing with the Stars, there was obviously a lot of TikToks. A lot of like.

[B]

Was that part of the bit?

[C]

Yeah, no, it was. What's funny about that is. And I tell everyone this, like, we're not faking it. Like, we're banging and we're like hanging.

[B]

Out every night, every day.

[C]

And like, it was just the Tiktoks. I didn't have anyone behind that but me. I just like never used TikTok. And then everyone's like, you're going to do some stars, you should try. And I just my for you page feeds me like really weird freaky audios because that's who I am, a weird freak. And so there was just all organic and we just would make them together. I didn't think anything of it. I think that I didn't realize that the viewership and the audience is like a little bit like our upbringing, like more conservative middle America. And you know, they're also obsessed with clubs. They fucking hate my guts. They're like, how dare you? And I'm like, karen, stop.

[B]

I'm sorry. Let me tell you what he did.

[A]

So yeah, when you told the dancing the stars super fans as they identified him in episode two.

[B]

And you.

[A]

Oh my gosh, who was it that.

[B]

Sarah J. Sarah J. Oh, yeah, in the bathroom. We hate him. We don't love him. I know.

[C]

Anyways, what are you people send me messages still going this long. I am asking you, I am begging you to consider taking him back. Everyone makes mistakes, honey. This and that. I'm like, I think he kind of.

[B]

Lives in that world too. Of like he only tunes into like people who are obsessed with him. And so he's living in this world where like Gleb is like innocent, like, you know, that's.

[C]

That's all he sees is the good.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

I see the good, the bad, all the things about myself. And I feel like that's a little.

[A]

I'm assuming he's never acknowledged or apologized.

[C]

Oh, he will deny until he dies like he did with his ex wife. And like, he's obviously he will deny it.

[A]

Did you find on the phone I found.

[B]

Is that.

[C]

Am I allowed to disclose? No, I can't say it. Well, the title is in of what I found.

[A]

Can we get a description in the episode?

[D]

Well, in if first two episodes come out on the 26th, this comes out on the 27th.

[B]

You talk. It's.

[D]

It's three Sims and Josh feature.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think Gleb has also gotten enough air time.

[E]

Yeah, I agree. Well, I feel like the point, the whole point of the Gleb situation is that we all use it to kind of band together.

[C]

I think that the. The purpose of it all, watching it back, it's painful to see what went down because I remember that being such a dark time time. But I think, and you know, the cheating is just scratching the surface of what he's done, really and truly. And, you know, I'm not going to get into that, but I will say the beautiful part of it is, which I loved watching back and made me so emotional was seeing, like, how my family rallied around me and my parents and all of my sisters. And I just feel like that was the blessing that came out of it, was seeing that because I'm usually the one that's taking care of things and taking care of other people, that they will come to my defense and, you know, know, be there on my bedside with, like my breakfast and tissue boxes for as long as I needed. And I feel like that was so special to see, you know, our bond on tv because it was special in.

[B]

Real life and that's really what this show's about. And like, you dated Ms. PR Media Train. I had media training yesterday. A photographing is working. It's working. Back to my notes. On my notes.

[D]

What do you think his response is going to be to this show?

[E]

Denies all.

[B]

I don't think he's gonna like it. Oh, God.

[C]

I mean, it's gonna be a voiceover for sure. He loves airtime. Regardless of it's positive or I don't.

[A]

Think he'll be able to tell if he's a of he's bothered.

[C]

What do you mean?

[B]

I don't be able to tell? Yeah, I don't.

[C]

He's already posting on Tik Tok. Like, oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Being like storytelling.

[C]

Watch me shine and these lies.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So all he does is that we don't.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think he's ever gonna let it go.

[B]

No, he just dressed it like a video.

[C]

Crying.

[B]

Yeah, like I'm.

[A]

No, he'll be like, yeah, it's like, whatever. You know, we're cool. Like, it's fine on tv or the edit or.

[B]

I think he's gonna say he already said it. Use me for your reality show. Yada, yada.

[C]

Honestly, the show isn't even about glub.

[E]

No, it really isn't.

[C]

It's like that's really what the show's about.

[B]

That's really what the show is all about. Camera. Yeah.

[A]

But it is a juicy way to start the show. And that's the way you ladies bond together and you see a lot go.

[C]

On with other relationships and ups and downs and intertwining of the four of us. And I think that also, you know, season two needs to start rolling out because the tea is piping. Yeah, we're in the thick of it and it's not good.

[B]

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[B]

That was so good. Who do you agree with? So you would actually die if you were in the airport with us yesterday? I was just protecting her. Yeah. No, I wasn't arguing with you on the photo shoot, by the way.

[A]

I mean, I couldn't imagine having my sibling there.

[B]

Right. And I'm also. I also. I also didn't invite you.

[A]

I would have probably responded.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, let's go.

[A]

I just. I want to see your face.

[B]

We argue like that so much. Yesterday at the airport, we were screaming at each other, checking in for the flight, and this man next to us was like, oh, my God. Turns out he's right in front of us on the flight. By the time we're going into security, we're like best friends, dying, laughing. The whole thing is just like. She asked me to pack, I would say, like, this big of a box of, like, all skincare. I'm packing my whole suitcase. I'm packing your look. Your looks. So much shit. So I. And her laptop and like, some other cosmetic. So. So I pack all of her shit. I forget the skin care. Sorry, I forgot the skin care. I get to the airport, she starts freaking out. Where's my skin care? Starts crying. I want 60 of Accutane. My skin is going to fall off. And then proceeds to. On the plane, put mouth tape over her lips. Pulls it off, and now my skin is red. It was. Yes. Like, you can't have. And she wouldn't text her. She got dermaplaned. And she shouldn't have because her skin is so thin that it's falling. Yeah. And so she texts her facialist and she was like. She's like, I'm going to die pretty much during the press tour. Like, I'm going to be skinned alive. And so I texted her facialist and was like, hey, like, she lost it. Can we get replacements at the pharmacy? She had products delivered to her yesterday. End of day. End of day, fine.

[C]

It's all good, you know?

[B]

No, it's all. She was like, you are incompetent. You use this piece of shit. And it was like, I was doing you a favor, Sarah Jane.

[A]

You remind you. You strike me as someone who, like, knows when she's right.

[B]

Yes, she does. You do? Yeah.

[C]

You, on the other hand, always think.

[B]

You'Re right and you're not. I don't always think I'm right. Yeah. Do I do know when I'm wrong, though, Sometimes, yeah.

[A]

You don't think so?

[E]

Sometimes she. Sometimes, child. Like always.

[A]

You two see, you two feel like you have similar energy.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then you two have also, like, a similar.

[C]

We are similar.

[B]

They're dangerous.

[C]

Like, we are physical. We have a lot of.

[B]

We.

[A]

Yes, of course.

[B]

We get into physical. Right. We are Sarah Jane. We talk just, like, do this and this and this, and then we're best friends again five seconds later. Okay.

[D]

Do you stand by your outfits that you chose?

[B]

Okay. No, I do not. But I will also say that I did not choose those outfits. But you chose at all. I did choose. I think I like this one, but I. What's. What is something that was not really depicted in the show is that I did not choose the outfits. The stylist and the photographer did, and then. No, but they did. They did.

[D]

And then the truth.

[B]

They did. And that's something that I said to her on the side during the shoot. I was like, like, look, stop. I'm just gonna shoot. Why would you give it.

[C]

That's not how you work.

[B]

I told you there were so many things on that rack. I said, you should put something like that on. You said, get the. Off my side. I didn't say, whatever. You could have styled it differently. Okay, this is the point. The stylist really wanted to shoot this one look. So I was like, we'll do that for you, and then we'll do the ones that I want to do. Because it is like a stylist, a photographer. You're all doing it for free. It's not like I can. And now you're gonna shave them really fast.

[C]

And that's really what the show's about.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? That wasn't, like, depicted. She's like, that's so ugly. That's so ugly. And I was like, dude, there's other people, like, involved here. They were all fine. So. Yeah, no, I.

[E]

No, that was a great.

[B]

I did not like the outfit.

[E]

Clearly, it strikes a chord still, that scene.

[A]

I love that you're all still activated over it. And so you're single and you're single, and you two are in relationships.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

And how are those relationships going?

[B]

They're going great. Yeah.

[E]

We're here for the press week.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

To celebrate how did you meet your boyfriend?

[B]

I was set up by Mutuals. My boyfriend has. No, not.

[C]

I set you up.

[B]

No, you did not. You actually did. I literally did not.

[C]

I brought you to the charity.

[B]

No, you did not.

[E]

I was at the charity.

[B]

It was the birthday party.

[E]

At the birthday party.

[B]

You did not bring me. It was actually our agent who set her up. Anyways. Yeah, yeah. My agent is friends with his sister, so I met him completely organically. I introduced him to you months after we had been dating.

[A]

What does organically mean?

[B]

Organically in the street.

[D]

It's like I was set up and I met him completely organically, I don't think.

[B]

Right.

[C]

He's an oxymoron. Organically at an event.

[B]

Organically at a party that I was invited to in order to meet. Completely. Right, right, right. Yeah.

[E]

And then I met. We were friends for a couple years before we met. So, yeah, basically the girls knew him first and then I met him. We were friends for a while. Then he took me to Wimbledon as a friend and I was like, actually, you're kind of hot in the Lord.

[B]

As a lord. He was in his element. He was in his element.

[A]

And you're like, I would like to go to Wimbledon.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

I was like, this actually is a vibe. Yeah, we can make this work. And then he moved to la, so obviously I wanted him more because he was across the country.

[A]

So did. He was in la. LA now.

[E]

So now he's in la and you.

[A]

All are still in New York?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. How's the bicoastal thing going?

[E]

It's actually pretty good because I'm so busy and he's busy, and I feel like we need our space. Like, I date my sisters in New.

[B]

York basically because people are gonna accept.

[C]

That out to be incest, but.

[E]

Okay, no, but, like, we're always together. We're doing a million things together all the time, so having a boyfriend there might be distracting.

[C]

Oh, but izing the girls, I like it.

[B]

Yeah, always.

[E]

But, yeah, the long distance is where.

[B]

Working for now.

[E]

But this show goes over that. It kind of touches on that.

[D]

Sarah Jane, you got your nipples pierced on camera. The fact that you. I once had some nipple piercings before I was pregnant.

[B]

She was naughty. Wow. Did you love having them?

[D]

Loved having them. I felt it gave.

[B]

Yes. It gave me such.

[D]

It gave me such a confidence. I was like, I'm the baddest bitch.

[B]

Yeah, it really does. And you take your shirt off, people like, yep. Yeah.

[D]

Or you, like, go without a bra.

[B]

And people are like, oh, she's Fatty. Yeah, she's a little sky. It's hot. Yeah. It's so fun.

[D]

The fact that you did not jump off that table in pain, honestly.

[B]

Okay. My fa. Watching my face during it, I was like, you were. I was hurting, but it was not as bad as I thought. The second one was rough. Yeah. Because, like, I had to go back in because I couldn't do the asymmetry. But, like, it wasn't as bad as I thought, honestly. The pain after was. Was like rough.

[A]

And was that something that you had always planned on doing? And you're like. You had a TV show, so you're like, fuck it. Like, this is a great scene.

[B]

Or was that a book to write? No, I. I kind of was. Like, I always wanted to do it. One of my best friends in high school got hers pierced, but then they. She had a terrible experience with it. So I think that like, expired my, like, trauma from seeing her. Like, she had a whole situation and I was just like, why not? I was bored. You know when you like, cut your hair when you're bored or like, do something like that. I was like, like, we pierced my nipples.

[D]

And did you tell your parents that you got them pierced?

[B]

No. You did not. I didn't. I didn't.

[D]

They're gonna find out.

[A]

They know now.

[B]

Yeah. Yes. You will see their live reaction. Yeah.

[C]

You'll see it all. My dad sees it. He's like, yeah. Why would you even do that? Doesn't make any sense. Your nipples are fine as they are. We're like, so you can't say that either, dad.

[B]

Yeah. The thing is, we had too many conversations about nips with my parents, but I love them. Oh, our grandparents are going to see that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they are.

[E]

We forget about the grandparents watching. We try to.

[B]

Oh, I know. I'm sorry. Mozzie and Dobby snowing. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I feel like grandparents.

[B]

I think they're going to love it.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[B]

They're cr.

[C]

My grandmother's like the sweetest southern most innocent lady who like gardens and makes sweet, sweet tea. And I go, mozzie, you're gonna. You're gonna probably cry on one of the episodes. Cuz I cry. She goes, she start crying. I don't want to see you cry.

[B]

What is her name?

[D]

What is like her government?

[C]

She' and Gardner.

[E]

Margaret.

[B]

Margaret. And she's the sweetest southern girl.

[C]

She's probably gonna listen to this all podcast. She's a podcast girl and she watches every.

[B]

We love you, Mozzie.

[A]

Grandma. So you four ladies are in your 20s. You come from religious backgrounds. You're from the South. A lot of people you grew up with are having kids. You know, the pressure of kids is, like, prominent in the Midwest. In the South. Is that something that's you ladies are interested in or you're in the. Like, hey, we're just out there having fun. Do you feel the pressure from. Or even your parents sometimes to, like. Or Grandma, you know?

[C]

Totally.

[A]

And how do you ladies deal with. With that?

[B]

I think we all want to have big families, like, growing up with sisters. You want to have that for your kids. And so Grace and I think we'll have five kids first, maybe, probably. And then Mary Holland.

[C]

What about me?

[B]

No, I think. I think we'll all have it. I think we'll all have four. I think we'll all have a lot of kids. I feel no pressure. The only time I feel pressure is when I go home, and aunts and uncles and people are like, when are you having kids? And I'm like, oh, my God, relax. Like, that's not what we're doing in New York in our 20s, you know?

[E]

And I think that nowadays, like, everyone's kind of like f. U to tradition in a way, like micro retirement. People are quitting early, and people are not having kids early. Marriage isn't necessarily end game, like, her end goal. So I feel like we do have that pressure growing up, but the whole show is about us kind of like, coming out of our shells in that way and kind of breaking traditions that we're used to, including religion. We talk a lot about that. So it's definitely. I don't feel any pressure to have kids as much just because I'm more confident in myself than what I want.

[C]

Damn.

[B]

But.

[C]

Sorry, Mom.

[E]

Sorry, Mozzy. But I feel like we all, like, because we came from a big family, would like a big family, but, yeah.

[B]

Our kids are all gonna be best friends.

[C]

The goal is to have four townhouses right next to each other and then, like, a joint yard, communal yard to all the kids in New York.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Any of you for religious anymore?

[C]

I'm Christian.

[B]

I'm religious.

[E]

They all are Christian. I'm not religious anymore.

[B]

I go to church. I'm actually. You go to church, Dan?

[C]

I do. No, I go to church more than y' all go to church. I have been to church recently, other.

[A]

Than Christmas and Easter.

[B]

I went to church twice in July.

[E]

I went to church last month because.

[C]

My boyfriend's very religious a few months ago.

[B]

Okay. I think we all have, like, I. I've been listening to worship. I pray every night. Confession.

[C]

I listen to the Hill song.

[A]

It's not a competition.

[B]

No, we're all Christians. I think we all. Yeah. Like, have different things that.

[E]

I'm not atheist. I just don't identify as agnostic. I'm like, yeah, I'm spiritual more so, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And was that a tough conversation to have with your parents?

[B]

Yes.

[E]

Which happens on the show? Actually, a little bit. Like, my mom at first. My dad is more, I guess, intellectually curious in that regard than my mom is. And so I talked to my mom a bit about it, and she's very. But again, our values still shine through us, and I'm so grateful that we grew up religious because. Because of, you know, what it taught us. But it was a hard conversation at first.

[A]

And do you, like, deliberately, like, you were like, they're Christian. I'm not. Like, I grew up Catholic.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't go to church anymore. But, like, if anyone asks, I'm like, I'm Catholic. Like, I don't, like. I don't really have a problem with the label or I still, like, identify guests, you know, like, club, so to speak. Even though, like, I'm not. Yeah, I don't. I don't go to church, and I don't subscribe to a lot of the guilt and shame that is centered around religion that I used to and things like that. And, you know, I just figure out as I go. But, yeah, I don't really have a problem. I'm not worried about people, like, labeling me Christian or Catholic. But are you?

[E]

Well, I guess I'm saying that explicitly because in the show, it's talked about so much, and because my boyfriend is very Christian, and I, in the show, talk about not being necessarily as Christian guys. We go over in the show a lot. But he's super supportive. And I think growing up, we were around a very strict church environment where people were a different type of Christian almost, where it was like, no sex before megachurchy.

[C]

Like, what's the show?

[B]

That was literally our church.

[E]

So I associate Christian boys with that, and he is so the opposite and just. Just a good guy, which I imagine is what they're supposed to be like, so. So it's not a problem right now. He doesn't, you know, judge me for it, and I. He doesn't pressure me. But I still go to church, and it's nice.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. There.

[D]

Jane, you came out to your family. Did your sisters know before your parents knew?

[B]

Yes, I told Them in this order. Why was Brooks last? Why was Brooks last? Well, I told her and her husband together, and I just. We were all laughing. I think I was like, Mayor Holland's, like, my best friend, and I was dating a girl that I went to school with at the time. So, like, me and Mirjan lived together, so it was like Mirjan automatically knew. And then it just felt like when I told you, I think you were like, I already knew. Or like, yeah, I was like, girl, I know you've been gay. Like, I'm not gay, but, yeah, but. And then, I don't know, it just kind of worked out that way. No, everyone was so supportive, but Brooks is like a mother figure. I feel like it's just, like, more intimidating to, like, she was like, so. No, no, Everyone is so supportive. Not saying. Saying that. I'm just saying this is how I told them. And then I told my dad, and then my mom lost. No, my mom. My mom was honestly, like, she was raised super, like, ultra religious, and she's the oldest of four boys. So, like, she was just, like, very, I think, suppressed growing up and didn't really have room to, like, explore other ideas. She became a nurse.

[C]

Had a lot of questions when you came out. Like, what does that mean?

[B]

I think she was confused, and she. But she also, at times has been like, I always, like, wondering. But then I think it was hard for her to adjust. I think when you come out, whether your parents are supportive or not, it's like the death of an expectation. So she expected me to get married to a guy, have kids by the time I was, like, 30. And that's just a different life than, like, I want to have. And so it was, like, shifting your expectations. It's not necessarily good or bad. It's just, like, changing what you are imagining for your daughter, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And at what age did you realize this about. About yourself?

[B]

I was always very curious. Like, early, like, ninth grade. I was always, like, middle and high school. I was always very curious, like, you know, just curious. But I. But I never, like. I never explored it until I got to college. I was, like, on the cheer team with Gracie Ann. I was, like, following in my sister's footsteps and, like, wanted to be, like, just fit in. I was very shy, too, and didn't ever want, like, attention of any kind. And it was understood, like, in our community and in our family that, like, if a child came out or, like, if a kid was gay, it was, like, talked about and, like, not in a positive way, you know, so like, oh, whoever down the street is, like, a lesbian that's. Oh, Jesus. Can you imagine? Like, if my kids. So I waited till college and then I went to Fordham. And so it was very opened and, like, liberal and just, like, I felt very free to explore. And I had a relationship with a girl who was like, amazing Grace. Ann hung out with her a lot, and that was sort of my first experience. But that relationship was also. I was like, I don't want to come out to my parents knowing that I'm, like, sexually free and, like, fluid. I don't want to come out to my parents and just, like, explain that, because that's a hard thing to explain. So when I was in a relationship with a girl, I was like, this is an easier way for me to tell them, hey, I like someone and it's a girl. It was a. I was very lucky, though. I was very lucky. I mean, like, I know so many people from Louisiana that don't talk to their parents, don't talk to their grandparents.

[A]

Yeah, well, that's why I like watching your show. I mean, I related to you women and just your relationship with your parents for that reason, because you can, you can tell your parents are very traditional, but there's a level of, yeah, but these are my daughters. And at the end of the day, you know, I have siblings who came out as gay. And I remember being, you know, a kid, and if you would have told me things that us kids would have done in adulthood or just, like, told my parent, you know, like I said, thought if I didn't get married by a Catholic priest, my parents would feel a certain sort of way about it. None of the kids got married by Catholic priests. You know, like, there's been so many more other things, and my parents just don't care at the end of the day. They just, they want to love their kids. And I feel very lucky to have. I mean, not all parents are like that, but your parents really give that energy of, we're going to raise our kids how we want to raise our kids, and we have our values and things like that, but we're not here to tell our children how to live their lives. They'll live it for themselves, and we're just here to. We just want to support them and love them.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And I, I, I love, I love that energy I got you from your parents.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think it's also, like, along for the ride. I would anticipate, oh, what are they going to think about this? And then sometimes it's like, not Even the sexuality thing, but other things. And it's like they don't care. Even the Nicholas. It's like they were like, ew, why'd you do that? But, like, I don't care.

[C]

More and more unfazed as things transpire.

[B]

I mean, we bite them down.

[C]

I mean, y' all could literally tell me that, you know, you're naked on the strip in Vegas. And, well. And I would just be like, nah, that's what they do. I mean, she just. Nothing surprises.

[B]

Yeah. And think y' all will see that by episode six.

[D]

Y' all give Yalls dad a run for.

[B]

We really do. Bless. He gets roasted at his little.

[C]

He finally is doing boy things and joined a golf course in Louisiana after all these years. He never did anything for himself, so we, like, got him a membership. And I ran into some of the golf buddies at, like, a wedding, and they were like, oh, my God, can we take a selfie so that we can put it up on the big screen and roast your dad? My tits were out, and I was like, hey. And Dad's like, why'd you do that with, like, Mark and all them? I go, they asked me to dad. And he goes, they're doing a whole thing at bullying me.

[B]

Y' all are gonna die. This. My dad is like, I think nominated or something for best dress of Baton Rouge. So in September, he's. He's walking in a fashion show, and he's gonna look amazing. Wow. You just gave it away. All of you know, no, it's like.

[C]

That is the other.

[B]

Why are they ever like, that's the craziest.

[C]

Your dad wants is best dressed Ben Rouge. We leaked.

[A]

They're going to watch. We'll make sure people watch.

[C]

That was one other thing that people comments were like, they are not poor. Their dad is best dressed in Baton Rouge.

[D]

I was like, okay, listen, fashion is not money.

[B]

It's style. Exactly. You.

[A]

You ladies referred to. Brooks is like a mother figure.

[B]

Obviously, I think she refers to herself either way.

[A]

Whatever. And you're talking about your religious background. And, you know, you. All you women see very, very sexually open and things like that. But you talked about your upbringing in terms of, like, no sex before marriage. I very much relate to that where it was like, burning hell. Did you ladies go to, like, when you were growing up and when you started liking boys or girls or whatever and started being curious about sex, how did you all deal with that? Because I remember, you know, like, yeah, growing up, I. We. I didn't talk about sex with my parents.

[B]

Like, at all.

[A]

Like, you know, you just. I. You know, and all the thoughts and feelings I had always, always felt wrong when I was in high school. And it just felt very. I'd made a lot of pro. That was the last time.

[B]

Yeah. You know, like, swear, God promise, don't.

[C]

Yeah, I've done that.

[A]

The next day you're like, one more time. Yeah, but how did you lady, like, did. Did you go to Brooks? Was she the person? Because she were you. I mean, how did you all have those conversations?

[B]

Well, the day. The way it was dealt with with in our home, in our church is that in eighth grade, you go to a little camp, boot camp called True Love Waits, where you. They show you a million photos of escalation, gonorrhea, totally made up things.

[E]

Sixth graders, seventh graders.

[B]

Yeah. And you get horrified. Yeah. And you're like, I'm never touching a boy ever. And then at the end, you get a promise ring. And the pastor kisses your forehead. It's like, you will be a virgin until marriage. And you're like, I had a whole.

[C]

Hand of promise rings because I hoodwinked. I'm a businesswoman.

[B]

I'm like, I want a diamond. I fucked up.

[C]

I had sex, but I need a new ring. And then I'll honor that ring. And then get that ring. And then I'd have sex.

[B]

And then she's like, I need a.

[C]

No, but honestly, dollar tree rings.

[B]

I don't think we, like, talked. I. Maybe I would talk to Grace Ann about, like, sex. You would talk to me.

[C]

We were a little more suppressed when we were in our childhood.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

It's normal to talk about.

[C]

Since I was the oldest, I obviously did everything first. And I will never forget, I was like 16 years old taking a bath. And my mom had a feeling because I had snuck in from a boy's house and went straight to the bathtub to, like, clean up. I don't know. And I went straight to that.

[B]

Mom was in. Are you in there?

[C]

You didn't say goodnight.

[B]

You didn't say good night. You didn't say good night.

[C]

She broke down the bathroom door and I had a hickey on my neck. And she was like, I knew it.

[B]

The curling iron. Devastated.

[C]

And I said it was curling iron. And it was this whole curling iron thing. And she's like, let me see your neck. And, like, move my hair. And she was bawling. You would have thought that I like, was pregnant. And I was like, mom, I made out with a boy. And she's like, how could you? I can't believe you.

[B]

Just.

[C]

I was 16 years old. My friends were having sex. So I was the last. All my friends had older brothers, you know, so. So they were doing everything. And I wasn't doing anything that bad really. I was making out with boys and I was always, you know, infatuated by like Sports Illustrated and all this sex and glamour of this lifestyle. And so my parents, I had to hide all that from them, you know, because that was not something that we. So I think we were suppressed to talking about sex and sexuality and feelings at home because we never even.

[B]

We were like late.

[D]

I was about to ask.

[B]

So all.

[C]

We were late bloomers.

[B]

We really were. Yeah, we were. I mean, we. Like. I remember when. When you first. You didn't even have sex. You like, someone went down on you and you were telling us about it and you. You had like come home from college and you were telling us about it and I was like, oh, God, I don't want to hear that. Like, what? Ew. And you liked that? Like, that's insane.

[C]

Okay. You're fucking grounded, by the way. I'm not even now.

[B]

Sarah Jane loves it now. She gives anti.

[C]

She's obsessed.

[B]

Fast forward. Oh, that's okay. That's how I knew. That's how I knew she wasn't straight. She was like, do you ever just like. I was like, wait, no. Ok, that's actually. Don't finish that sentence.

[C]

You need to like, take a nap.

[A]

I don't even know.

[D]

Just so we feel like maybe Grace Ann is like the least filter doctor trained.

[B]

Yeah, the least. So many notes during media training. She did.

[A]

Who do you all like? Is there one of you in the group who feels the most picked on by the rest?

[B]

Grace Anne.

[E]

Grace Anne thinks she is.

[B]

She already is. No, you are. I think it is. It's you, it seems like. But then she's like.

[A]

You're like. Are you the middle people?

[E]

We're both the middle. We're both picked on it.

[B]

I would say no.

[E]

You guys seem like you're around.

[B]

You come on TV and we're all like, don't even start. Literally.

[E]

I guess I was never.

[B]

Grace an is the best. I get picked.

[A]

Is there any one of you that could kind of like, I always. I'm like a only child with 10 siblings.

[B]

That is insane to me. Still. That's wild.

[A]

I'm very independent. I do my thing, you know, is any one of you, like, could kind of disappear for a while and not talk to anyone.

[B]

I do it all the time. Yeah.

[C]

I wonder where I was.

[E]

I just wasn't. Like, I had a corporate job that I was at every single day, so I just naturally wasn't around during the day. But, yeah, I'll just.

[B]

You're the most independent. For sure. For sure.

[C]

Don't even talk to me.

[B]

I'll disappear for months.

[C]

In the bed with me at all.

[A]

Where are you going?

[B]

I usually am going to visit my boyfriend in Florida, and then I come back and everyone's like, blah, blah, like, picking on me, and I'm like, okay, I can't.

[A]

What's your boyfriend?

[B]

I gotta go back. He's a tech guy.

[A]

Tech guy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

Startup. He's a tech startup? Yeah.

[A]

Crypto.

[B]

No, not crypto. No, no, it's like sports tech. Yeah, it's like sports. He's amazing. He's so smart, works so hard. Such a cutie.

[C]

I told him not to come on.

[B]

Yeah, he fits in great.

[C]

I told him not to come on.

[B]

The show because I actually want to keep him. And anyone that comes on is, you know, someone on the chopping block, so.

[A]

So will you be dating for love going forward, or will you be dating for the show?

[C]

No, I'm not gonna ever have, like, a hired boyfriend for the show.

[A]

I don't mean, like hired, but that's crazy.

[C]

And if it's someone that. Which all the roster right now are not keen to be on the show, which is totally fine. I'm gonna, like. If I'm really, truly in love and I feel like it's the right thing to do, you know, because it is. It is a fine line of balancing, like, your personal life. And if you're gonna open up and be vulnerable and be on a show, you do wanna share that, you know, like, because it's a part of your life. So I. I'll have to probably do some convincing if it ends up being one of the ones currently.

[B]

Yeah. You have to make sure it's worth it first.

[A]

Are you usually sliding or. Or. Or.

[C]

I never slide.

[A]

You never slide?

[B]

Never slide.

[D]

Is there someone who's, like, higher up on your.

[B]

In what I would say. I would say there's a constant, like, 1, 2, 3, 4, and we kind of like.

[D]

And are they. They're all.

[B]

The rest trickle in. It's like there's been one at the tippity top for the past couple. Okay.

[A]

Weeks.

[C]

He's great.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, we love him. Two weeks he's been top of the pyramid. Wow. Which is pretty amazing. And on the bottom of the pyramid. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

What's your love Language, my love. Language. I'd say probably now that I'm, you know, someone went down on me in college.

[B]

Physical touch. No, I don't think it is. Is. No, no, I think it's. I think it's worth of affirmation. What do you think it is? I think it's anyone who does exactly what you want them to do, be obsessed with me is her love. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I don't know, but, like, what?

[A]

Other than someone's face? Like, what makes you, like, melt?

[C]

Or, like, humor, Honestly, like, somebody being really funny.

[A]

What. It's your. What's your. And this is for everyone. What's your biggest ick?

[B]

Biggest ick. Ooh.

[C]

When someone freeloads and lives with you.

[B]

That'll do it. That'll do it. I feel like when someone tries. Tries to, like, start between the sisters or, like, acts like they're closer, like, to you than, like, recently. No. But, like, anyone that tries to, like, be, like, just wedge anything with the sisters. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, for me, it's a guy that's just clearly insecure. I think it's really, like, everyone's insecure, but a guy that just shows it and is read them for confident.

[C]

It's like, yeah, what's your.

[E]

Mine is probably the same as sus. If anyone tries to come in between us.

[A]

Like, what if a guy trips over his. His own feet?

[B]

I think that's funny. I think if he laughs it off depends on how he handles. If he's like, oh, God, sorry. Okay. But I have a really bad fall in this season, so I. I won't.

[A]

It's not the same for women, though.

[B]

No. And I was on rollerblades, but I've realized that.

[A]

Well, at least for my wife, like.

[B]

Any tripping is tripping. You're out.

[A]

General clumsiness, divorce, you know, like, divorce. Not looking anything other than, like, a superhero or manly. We're just, like, on our honeymoon, Natalie jumped over the pool wall, and then I. I lifted myself up and slipped off the. And then she wasn't looking, thank God.

[B]

If you've ever seen a guy drink out of a water fountain. Why would anyone do that?

[C]

We don't know people that drink out of water.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's interesting one.

[B]

Yeah. When was the last time you saw a water fountain? I also don't like flip flops on a man. That's disgusting.

[A]

Also, it's shorts. I mean, honestly, like, honestly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Men in the south really need to, like.

[B]

They need to clean that up.

[A]

Yeah, I understand. The humidity is hot. But, like, have some self respect.

[B]

Yeah. And having no sense of style is like.

[E]

Yeah, that's a big one.

[B]

A man.

[C]

Oh, I like.

[B]

Well, no, I'm old enough.

[A]

Well, n. Had to get me out of skinny jeans.

[B]

I don't like, like, skinny French jeans. Yeah.

[D]

I. I was like, Chelsea boots.

[B]

Yeah. A black skinny jean with a rip.

[A]

No, I was. I did all those terrible things. Yeah.

[B]

But I'm.

[A]

Yeah, it was popular.

[B]

You know, I don't mind a skinny jean, but apparently I have terrible style.

[D]

So I was about to ask the best style.

[B]

Me. I think me.

[C]

Me.

[B]

I think you wear, like, jeans and tees all the time. I have the worst. I do have the worst style. I'm working really hard on it. But she's confident.

[C]

It's almost like a competition. Ugliest outfit. How is this? And I think it's a prank most of the time.

[B]

I know. Loud. The thing is, I. I do just wear whatever I want.

[E]

She doesn't.

[B]

I honestly love. It's very, like, Carrie Bradshaw. It's just very opposite. Yeah. Like, I like. It's refreshing. Something so ugly, and it's like, don't you like it? And I'm like, I guess, like, your confidence.

[A]

So Natalie said she's from the South. She is. She's from Auburn. When she.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[E]

Our mom went there.

[A]

She moved to New York when she was 16 and took dialect classes. So you couldn't hear her. But I can't hear it from any of you. But you all have played around with it. So, like, how have you all lost the accent?

[C]

All of our childhood videos, we have.

[B]

Been, oh, my gosh, country.

[C]

It's not even Southern country. And I think that. I don't know. I guess I left and went to tulane at, like, 18 years old, and it was full of people from the Northeast, and so I wasn't around Southern people starting at 18. So for the last 10 years. But also when you moved to New York, like, I was kind of insecure about it in modeling, you know, because I didn't meet any other New Yorkers that had it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Because I was there to, like, model, and I had this agent who was like, if you're gonna, like, get. Try to get into acting, commercials, whatever. Like, you cannot sound like this. You are the biggest redneck ever.

[B]

Like, you can't. I want it back. I know.

[D]

I know. It comes out.

[A]

Can't you do it? You can't do it.

[D]

If I'm back home, it comes out, which I like. I wish I could. If I wish I could keep it.

[B]

Yeah. Dialect classes, I think that is. You, like, beat it out of yourself a little.

[A]

Like, let's just hear it. Let's just go. We love an accent.

[B]

Like, Brooks Claire.

[E]

Yeah, that's how we sound growing up.

[B]

Like, it really comes out. We're at home. We go home.

[C]

Also, if you meet my parents, you'll hear it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

They definitely.

[B]

And when you're talking to, like, somebody with a Southern accent, it comes out, I think. Yeah.

[E]

When I'm talking to my grandma, it's like chameleon.

[B]

We have.

[D]

When we have country. When we have country singers on, we, like, interview. And I 100% people be like, natalie.

[B]

What the is this? And I'm like, no, I'm not.

[C]

My real voice.

[B]

It always happens. My boyfriend's dad is from Tennessee, and he's really Southern. And I'm always like, hey, what's up? And I'm like, oh, my God. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, we're like.

[C]

We've weirdly been, like, nostalgic and drinking, like, Jack and Coke and stuff.

[B]

Hell, yeah. We.

[D]

We were just in Nashville hanging out with some friends, and they were like, let's have some. Like, some whiskey.

[B]

And we were like, yeah, why not? That sounds delicious.

[C]

Maybe we'll put my parents on the pod next and you can hear the real accent, the real deal.

[A]

Do they tone it down for the show?

[B]

No, no, no. Yeah, they're there. They're there. Yeah, they're there. They're there. They're there. They do exist.

[C]

They're there.

[A]

Was it hard to get them to agree to do it?

[B]

No, they will do anything for us. Yeah, they'll take whatever.

[C]

I mean, of course, they. They've given me the whole spiel of, like, so, you know, like, all of Baton Rouge is having watch parties. And, like, you know, my dad's really cute, though, because he goes. He facetimes me. He goes, so when are we gonna start filming season two? I have some ideas. And I go, soon, dad.

[B]

Whatever.

[C]

Hopefully soon. And he goes, so is it. Is the deal, like, however many we want as many TVs as possible tuning in? I go, I guess. So he goes, so we've got four here in the house, so those are gonna be running on a loop. Serious, by the way. He goes, and then Mozzie has two at her house, our grandmother, and Edna down the street has three. So I told him just to keep of. I'll pay for the bill or whatever.

[B]

But keep him running. And I was like, he's forcing his friends down. He's right. Facebook post.

[A]

Really make it work. It really. Like, I think they. They're like. I feel like they're the glue. Final question before I let you all ladies go, but do you have. Are you comparing yourselves to anyone's out there? I mean, obviously, I think maybe the closest come.

[D]

I think it's definitely this.

[B]

It's.

[D]

It's very much OG Keeping up with the Kardashians in the best way that I think they lost it and I. They started caring too much about the public and lost kind of it in between each other. And I think it's like the best, most nostalgic watch.

[C]

Well, thank you. Early 2000s, like, simple life, the hills. I mean, I was.

[A]

That's kind of how I was getting. I was very much kind of giving Kardashians in a great way.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I feel like when. When Keeping up came out, I feel like a lot of families or sisters were like, oh, my God.

[B]

Like, we could.

[D]

Tell you, you're the Chloe, you're the Kim. You know, you'd kind of like, name yourself. And I feel like that's kind of what y' all are doing for maybe this next generation, which I think is really cool.

[C]

We hope so. We hope.

[E]

We resonate.

[C]

Everyone loves each see themselves in one sister, you know?

[B]

Totally agree.

[C]

I feel like it's. It's so different. The only thing that makes it different is we didn't grow up in, like, Hollywood or around anybody famous. And so I feel like it's such an interesting. Like, some people are saying this is like Sex in the city meets Swamp People meets the Beverly Hillbillies, because these, like. And the Beverly Hillbillies, by the way, mom and dad, cousins, aunts and uncles are on the way to the. So I can't wait to see that Country Jack and Coke Fit store.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like it's just kind of something that's aspirational and something that, you know, someone watching in Louisiana or in South Carolina can see and be like, oh, my gosh, she moved to New York and had nothing and built something. And I feel like in these days, it's like the American dream for sure. And you can do that. You really just can, so.

[D]

Especially that apartment y' all are living in.

[B]

I know, right?

[A]

Well, I've seen a lot of tv, and not that my opinion matters, but I think it's going to be a big.

[B]

Well, it does matter. You heard it here first. I did.

[D]

Love thy nader for an Emmy.

[A]

Congratulations, ladies, on the show. I think it's honestly going to be a big hit. And we'll have to have you back.

[B]

Definitely. I know y' all are. I know.

[C]

Let's do it.

[B]

Please.

[D]

If y' all are ever.

[B]

We'll drink Jack and Coke.

[C]

Honestly.

[B]

Absolutely. Frisky.

[C]

We're having like a Raising Cane's Food.

[B]

Shop Cafe Dimash party tonight. Come tonight. That's where you'll hear our Southern accent. Accents come out. We're.

[D]

We also got invited to your premiere on Wednesday night.

[B]

Yay. This is the warmup. We really want you guys to get N's number. Okay. Yes, totally.

[C]

Other reality stars will be in attendance. And other stars.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

No, but you guys are the stars.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Well.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

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