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E998 - Taylor Frankie Paul Is The Next Bachelorette, Danny Pellegrino Talks Icons/Bravo, RHOM w/ Adriana
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Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! Well, it happened! Taylor Frankie Paul is officially the Bachelorette, and Susie Evans stops by to discuss. Also, Danny Pellegrino joins to get into parenting, Unknown Number: The High School...
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You're crazy.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife, Natalie. She's here.
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B
Maybe I should leave. I don't know.
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D
Doesn't seem like I won.
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Joined by my lovely, smart, lovely brain, funny, witty wife. Wife. You said it a little nicer.
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D
No, it feels genuine. It does.
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Join by my funny, gorgeous, wonderful, smart.
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B
Sexy, he's Trying so hard to find a different word than gorgeous, hot, sexy. We cannot find it.
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D
Mother of my child.
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B
Mother of my child. Oh, my God.
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It just rolls off the tongue.
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B
At least he does love those things about you, you know, that they stick out. I guess. And when I'm not hot anymore, I'm guessing he will leave me for someone who is hot.
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It's a podcast.
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B
You're telling the people who can't see me that I'm hot.
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Okay, everyone knows you're funny.
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B
That's what it was.
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D
In case you're listening, Natalie is very beautiful, sexy and hot.
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B
Yeah, yeah. And she's inspiring, smart. She's funny, witty, magnetic. Magnetic. Oh, my God.
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D
That was a good one.
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Also, Susie Ev returns of the household today.
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B
Hello.
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D
Hello.
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B
Glad to be back.
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A
Well, it's. It's happened. Taylor, Frankie Paul is your next Bachelorette. You are welcome, Bachelor nation. You're welcome, ABC people.
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B
Your haters are trying to say that you have an inside source, and that's the only reason that you got it right.
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C
What do you mean?
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A
It was literally my idea three months ago. I. I gave him the idea.
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B
I feel like I am the source.
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A
I am the source. What do you mean? I am.
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B
The call is coming from inside the house. ABC has an inside source. It's called Nick V. Clearly. Yeah. Do you not see his comment? They asked Nick.
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A
They had the idea on their own. And then someone called me up just to be like. Just so you know, three months ago, by the way, you should say this.
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B
Like, I'm pretty sure Taylor, Frankie Paul was like, in the midst of filming season three, three months ago, and the Bachelorette was not on her radar. Yeah, yeah. That show was literally canceled. They were like, we're not doing this again. Nick was like, this will save the franchise. If you guys want to do it, you should.
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A
You should.
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B
And he's 100% right. Because I'm like, even seeing the comments going around about it there was like, I haven't watched it and I don't know how long and this will get to watch. It's lit.
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A
Maybe I know a little bit about this world. I don't know, producing, creating, you know.
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B
It'S going to be great.
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A
It's going to be fantastic. I'm glad the people who make these decisions finally made a good one. Made a good one.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Hopefully don't it up. There is a new showrunner in town. I mean, you know, Taylor, it's the.
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B
Same as Bachelor in Paradise.
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A
Show paradise.
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D
So we're going to get a lot of B roll.
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B
Okay.
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A
We're going a lot of B roll. Hopefully they don't cut out some of the drama, you know.
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B
Oh, but there's gonna be so much Taylor.
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A
She was tailor made.
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B
Yes.
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To be the bachelorette. I mean, she really is everything that makes a great bachelorette, Obviously, you know, smart, articulate, beautiful, vulnerable, honest.
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Adjectives. He's coming up for Taylor, but he couldn't come up with them for me. That's crazy. I've never heard you use gorgeous, stunning, beautiful. He's like Kayla. Frankie Paul is gorgeous, hot and stunning. So she's gonna be great, articulate.
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A
Okay. I don't wanna. I'm not gonna call her gorgeous.
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B
Sexy is.
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A
That's not my place to say.
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B
That was nuts.
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A
No, but, like, you know, she's gonna. You know, we. We love a bachelorette who can, like, stand up for herself and call out, you know, bad behavior without it acting or coming across as performative, you know, like, when Hannah Brown did it, it was amazing. And then so many other bachelorettes following Hannah Brown have tried so hard to have their Hannah Brown moment. And Taylor. Frankie Paul is going to. Taylor Frankie Paul, she's like, no disrespect to Hannah Brown, one of the best bachelorettes of all time, but I don't think Taylor is going to be thinking about how do I replicate that. Taylor is going to Taylor, and we're going to get the most authentic her, which is what we want, you know, and she's. All Taylor knows is how to be herself and just show you what she cares about, what bothers her, what scares her, what worries her. You know, she. She's made for this.
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B
Oh, yeah. And the best part, too is that she's been on a show before, so it's not like she's new to the cameras or she needs to, like, warm up. I feel like she'll just be, like, ready to go. And I feel like we're gonna get like our, like, windmill moment, kind of where it's like if somebody tries to, like, cross her or say something or do something, she'll be like, let me check you right at the door, and you can see your way out. I think it's also like, shedding light on the women who don't have, like, a perfect story. And it's like, I feel like time and time again, like, the people who are the leads are these, like, picture and these, like, you know, people who've never been in love before, people who've never, like, made any mistake before in their life. And here we have this person who's, like, been vocal about her mistakes and has three kids and, like, is a mom and to. And to go on this show.
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And I didn't think the decision makers had the guts to do something like this because they always try so hard to sell you the image.
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B
Right.
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Of someone who doesn't exist. I mean, so many of their, like, bachelors have been, like, jobless, you know, or stalkers. Or stalkers.
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Never had a boyfriend or girlfriend. Like, never had a serious relationship.
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And they've always tried to, like, sell you this idea of someone that they're, like. That they're not, you know, for this idea of selling, like, this bullshit image. And, yeah, like, we're. We know who Taylor is. She's an imperfect person who is continuing to work on herself and pick up the pieces and move forward and work through adversity. And, like, that's what's exciting to watch. That's what's inspiring.
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B
We want to see the mom, the single mom who's made mistakes, find love. Yes. Happy. Like, I'm tired of watching the people who, like, I wanted Daisy to be the Bachelor. I don't even know why, because there wasn't much storyline in her season, but I was like, her family owns a Hallmark, like, farm. Yeah. Like, that would be so great to watch. Why? I don't even watch Hallmark.
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Daisy was sweet and wonderful and nice.
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B
She was like, yeah, she's gonna be.
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Usually the people who have Taylor's star power and. Yeah, just star power and the ability to just shine bright behind the scenes are not very humble, and they're not easy to work with. Yeah. I'll just say that. And Taylor is all of those things. She is incredibly humble. She is incredibly easy to work with. Yes. Generous.
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Yeah. I also think that she will give people opportunities to do the right thing, which I think is cool as well, because I think, like you said, so many people have come after Hannah Brown and tried to have this moment of, like, let me put my foot down. And I even think production wants that. But I could see Taylor putting her foot down and then being like, now get your shit together. We're moving forward. Yeah. And, like, yeah, I think we'll see people grow. Yeah. And I. I like that.
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Great. That's a great call. Absolutely.
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C
Do you think they're gonna do, like, a gen season when they brought the ex? They're gonna bring Dakota in and be like, he's one of the men.
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I think for sure.
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I think they will try. I don't know if you will.
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B
I've I think I've heard some rumbling. I've heard that he's been trying to get on the show. I think regardless of if it was Taylor or not, but I think that there were, like, rumblings in the community that he was. Imagine, though, that he did gets out of the limo that he submitted for casting long before Taylor was announced.
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A
I think he fights for. He fights for her. That would.
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B
He was like, supposed to be on Jin season. He's just like, still in the night guy. So they're like, all right, so Dakota, sure, we'll cast him. What would be epic is if he got out of the limo and that she just like, was like, absolutely not, sent him home. Yeah, I don't think they will. I think they want to obviously, like, protect her. And I think that relationship was so toxic that to bring him back, it's like, you know, they have a kid together.
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It wouldn't be fair to Taylor.
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They need to protect that relationship of co parent and not try to, like, make it messy. And it would be too confusing as to like, what show am I watching?
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I hope they don't. Yeah. I mean, this is really just very exciting news.
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B
Suzie, how do you. I saw a lot of people in the comments being like, we wanted Susie. Oh, I know. I saw that too. I was like, little do you guys know, haven't heard a peep. So I was never in the running. We're going to be me. It was never me. So all of you cheering me on, thank you. It literally feeds my ego. And I'm like, should have been me. Loki. I'm like, no, I'm actually so excited.
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A
You would have been great. But I think we all agree that this is.
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B
They needed a step out of 1000%. I don't think that I would be cut out for. I don't think that I would have. I would be. I think I'm, like, too frightened by some of my experiences.
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A
And let's just. Let's just be real here. This is a franchise that has been sinking faster than the Titanic.
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B
Yes. They need to also do this for Bachelor if they're ever going to bring that back.
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A
Well, think about, like, this is like. Think about the significance of this move. Like, what was next on the lineup was the next Bachelor season, which would have been the 30th Bachelor season. A big milestone for the franchise. I mean, you know, that's as shitty as the franchise been lately. Most shows don't ever get a whiff of. Of 10 seasons, let alone 30. So, like, credit obviously to the franchise. But I just feel like they've been making decisions that, you know, aren't in the best interest of the show. I think they've been playing very reactive rather than proactive. Listening too much to, like, various pockets of the Internet of what they think they should do without thinking about what's best for the show. What is our core audience want, what is going to be the most compelling, most exciting cast. And now they're finally being proactive and this has a chance to, like, reset the franchise because there were no, like, who could they have casted for the men? Like, literally no one from the season. So they would have to go completely outside. And there was really no person, like, kind of a celebrity who would be willing to do that.
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B
Like, Dylan Efron is in a relationship. Yeah, he's not available. He's not available and he has been for quite some time.
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Danny Amendola, like, probably wouldn't do it. He's already rich. He's a football player. He doesn't need. You know, like, he just. I just don't know if he would have done something like that. I think someone like a Danny Amendola could have been a very interesting cast, but I just don't know.
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C
Tom Sandoval. Think about it.
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Also Carl Radke.
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A
Oh, my God. What do you.
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B
Carl's not okay. I'm sorry. Yeah.
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A
Anyway, but now that they. They can pivot, they will have Taylor. Hopefully. They cast. They. I mean, casting better not fuck this up. You better get some great men for first of all, for Taylor.
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B
I mean, you some mature, ready to settle down, ready to be a stepfather. Because that is what they would be. They need to, like, be 100% ready to take that role as a stepfather.
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And they. I want some. I want some good single dads. Great single dad with our kids. Remember, they've had. They've had some shitty single dads. Remember the single dad who was. Who they call out. What was his fucking name? He was one of the most disgusting men from the franchise.
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B
Do you remember the one? My son is at home. That guy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yes.
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C
Yes.
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D
Oh, my God. Yosef.
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Yes.
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B
Who is this man?
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A
It was before you said.
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D
You said for something.
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B
Son's at home.
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A
That's what I'm saying. Just because you are a dad doesn't mean you're a good guy. A lot of shitty dads out there. So I want them to find some great single dads. Does. Not that Taylor has to end up with a single dad, but like someone who can obviously relate and empathize with like, it's going to be a challenge to be away from her kids and things like that, you know, and then she. They need to find some great men. They. You know, and. And it should be easier to cast because obviously, like, Taylor is going to. Is someone people are going to be very excited about. She knows how to be famous. That's important. And I think sometimes the Bachelor franchise has been so afraid to acknowledge that this is a TV show and that there is a level of celebr that comes with it. You already see Taylor is so media savvy in the best possible way. She's going to navigate this very difficult world very gracefully. It's.
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B
I also think she's, like, not willing to change or alter herself for whatever, like, society thinks she should be. I mean, like, I feel like the stylist is going to be like, okay, so here's your gown. And she's gonna be like, I don't know. I feel like wearing sweats and Crocs. Like, can I just do that? They'll be like, literally. Well, it's not really what. And she's gonna like, I'm gonna do that. Yeah. And then we'll see her at a rose ceremony, like, in comfy cozies. It's 4:00am yeah, literally. Like, can all of y' all just go change? Because you're making me, like, uncomfortable in these tuxes. Like, can you just get the fuck out of here? Can we just keep it real? Yeah.
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C
That's my question, though, because it's like, we're taking such a wholesome franchise, and then you're casting someone that's known in the. The entertainment sphere of, like, toxicity drama. So I'm like, you're breaking the format. Yeah, Anything can happen.
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B
They needed to.
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A
They needed to. They needed to reset and hopefully, like, you know, I mean, and they'll have, like, when Hannah Brown was such a great Bachelorette, she gave us Peter Weber. And whatever you thought about Peter as a Bachelor, it was an amazing season because Peter Weber was such a popular contestant on the Bachelorette. It got some great women contestants, and we got another amazing season. Like, you have to have great leads in popular seasons to have people want to sign up for your show. Like, every time they fuck it up, it just, like, makes casting for the next future seasons that much harder. Yeah. So they have a. They have a chance to reset. I hope they don't fuck it up.
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B
Let's hope not. Well, we have a great show lined up for y' all today.
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A
We do. Danny Pellegrino is with us moment momentarily. I know so many of you are fans of his. He's a big fan of pop culture. Bravo and all the things that we love he loves too. And he's joining us momentarily to talk some headline stock, some Bravo. With us, we also have Adriana Demora from the Real Housewives of Miami to talk about this current season. What's going on, all the tea, what her thoughts and feelings are. Did she say wretched or ratchet? I think wretched also.
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B
Did she know the difference? Did she know that there was two words right?
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A
And probably like me. She just.
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B
Said 1000.
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A
Danny, welcome to the show. Hello.
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C
Thanks for having me.
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A
Great to have you. I feel like this has been a long time coming.
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C
Yeah. I mean, we've been begging you and begging you. I have not received that call. Right.
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A
An internal meetings for like, when are we going to have Danny Panel agreement.
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C
I know when you guys reached out, I was like. All I could think about was like, those dramatic entrances I always see on. On social media, on Tick tock or whatever. It's like whenever the guest sits down, it's always a Bravo. Liberty has the really dramatic sit down. It's like, you guys are going to talk about all the dirt. I think you just did the one with Katie from Orange County Housewives, which she says, yeah.
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A
What did you think about that interview?
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C
I mean, I thought it was great. What's fascinating to me about the Katie situation is no matter what, I've been analyzing the Housewives on my show for years now. And what I've realized is that whenever the cast goes against one person, the audience always tends to side with that one person, no matter what. Like, I. I don't actually. I think the cast might have good reasons to not like Katie, but. But it never works out that way. In terms of the audience reaction, do.
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A
You think it's how they go about it, where they kind of lack maybe the tact or maybe it's the editing. Because I think part of it is this almost feels kind of like a bully situation.
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C
Like a bully situation.
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A
Like a pile on, you know?
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C
And I also think that the cast never produces as well as a producer's gonna produce on the show. And so sometimes the audience, I think, can feel that the product or that the cast members are trying to Sort of produce or cast the show themselves, and it's like, let the other people behind the scenes do. Ultimately, it might have the cast. Katy might not have been back next season, or the audience might have turned on Katie more if the cast would have just let it play out how it plays out. Instead, you can kind of feel the cast trying to control the casting. Does that make sense?
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B
It's like, now we all have sympathy for Katie, and now we don't want her to go anywhere. And now we, like, are mad at all the other women for, like, ganging up on her. I feel like it's kind of similar to last season with Shannon at, you know, Tamara being like, I've never seen someone who gets a DUI and then is like, has this treatment. And it's like, well, because everyone was mean to her, and we all felt bad.
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C
I think the person has to be so incredibly unlikable for the cast if they team up against that person to kick them out. But otherwise, it's like the audience is always gonna side.
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A
Yeah. It's almost like the fans are like, we'll decide who we like. Let us know who we don't like. You don't get to tell us who to like and not like. Yeah, that's interesting. Before we started recording, we were talking more OC we were talking a little bit about Slade. And you had some kind of thoughts about her, his involvement this season?
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C
Well, I would have thought they would have leaned in a little more to the Slade. Like, he's not. I think it was maybe in one confessional. There was also those text messages between him and Matt, which also, like, looking at the text messages between him and Matt, obviously. I mean, Matt was sort of presenting that as a smoking gun against Slade, but it's like, obviously Matt was in on it too. And, like, talking to him so much on all of those call logs and everything, which was like, that's kind of sketchy. But Slade, in those text messages, it was blurred. And I'm like, what's going on? Exactly. Like, why are they blurring? I feel like there must have been.
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B
Something that was weird too, right.
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C
Like, on this show from the beginning, and if anything, I would think they have the release on him. So did he contact production, say, I don't want these text messages shown or something?
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B
I saw a old clip. I'm sure, Sierra, you remember this, but the of when he was with Joe and he was at a reunion, and he was like, yeah, I'm not coming back next season. And he was like, well, that's Because Joe isn't coming back next.
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C
Andy caught his ass.
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B
Yeah. So, like, obviously you aren't coming back.
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A
But they're still talking about the shape of his dick, which is.
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C
I know. We're over it. We don't. I don't need to know what it's curved or not. I don't care anymore.
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B
Yeah, I never needed to know. First, is it like, as. Is it curved or is it broken? Because, like, curved is one thing. Curved is like, oh, that's. That's interesting. Hitting a new spot. And like, broken is like, I don't know. Are you okay? Is it functioning?
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C
But isn't that weird that that's, like, all we've learned about Slade and all of this time off of the show and then. Yeah. I mean, there's this whole thing about, like, Tamra preventing Slade from working, but then it's like, well, what. So was he just not working in all of those years off the show? Like, I don't really understand what was happening.
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A
All.
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C
Because there was of lot a.
- [21:59]
B
Like, has he never had a career of his own?
- [22:01]
C
Or what exactly is.
- [22:03]
B
Do you remember when he was talking about wanting to propose to Gretchen, and his mom is literally looking at him like, well, what do you do? It's like his own mother couldn't decide what he does, and she's like, I work for Gretchen. And he's worked for Gretchen this entire time. But we're like, as. As what? As what? Her assistant?
- [22:19]
A
The four part is wild. Like, imagine if I said, Natalie works for me.
- [22:24]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [22:25]
A
Rather than, like, we work together.
- [22:27]
B
Yeah.
- [22:28]
C
The other kind of strange part about it all, and this is maybe a little devil's advocate, but it's like, I remember that you're talking about their proposal, and it's like, I remember that. And I'm so shocked that they're still together all this time. Like, there. There was something.
- [22:40]
B
And they're not married. Right. Like, everyone's being so weird about their, like, label. It's like, boyfriend.
- [22:47]
C
Yeah.
- [22:47]
B
It says, like, long term life partner or something. Like, what?
- [22:51]
A
Why do I feel like it has to do with taxes?
- [22:53]
C
I hate how they. This is a offshoot, but I hate how they still label the people. It's like, we've been watching the show, and it's like, I don't need you to say Shannon underneath Shannon. Like, I get that it's Shannon.
- [23:02]
B
It's Shannon.
- [23:03]
C
We see that.
- [23:03]
D
It's Shannon.
- [23:04]
C
She's a main cast member. She was just in the opening credits. Like, I don't need you to write Shannon underneath. Imagine if you're watching Friends and just as like, Joey, it's like, we get it.
- [23:12]
B
I know. It's so true.
- [23:13]
C
15, six plus years.
- [23:16]
B
It is wild. Like, she isn't. I guess for anyone who I don't know would randomly start this one season, you know, like, hasn't watched.
- [23:24]
C
Yeah. Like, who's, I don't think, I don't think new people are really tuning in at this point. Like, I think it's, you have the people who've been watching for years.
- [23:30]
B
Yeah.
- [23:31]
C
And I think if you get anyone new, it's like someone who has a friend who was like, okay, you're on maternity leave. You need to sit down and watch.
- [23:38]
A
Those flashbacks let you catch up really easily, really fast. Like, brought like Housewives is one of the easier franchise to like pick up kind of wherever they're they're at. And you know, it's like a Pulp Fiction. Yeah. You'll figure it out. You'll, you'll flashback. It'll be great.
- [23:55]
C
And the other thing about it though is like, they don't label everyone. So it's like, why are they just labeling? Shannon will be entering a scene with Tamara and I'll just say Shannon, it's like, what the are we doing?
- [24:04]
B
What do you think of Emily's storyline this season?
- [24:06]
C
I don't like the stuff with the kid and I like, I understand it's like angel, Devil. Like, I understand maybe presenting something like this can be helpful to parents going through something similar, but I just think of myself like I had eating disorder issues as a kid and I just think like, if my mom was on TV talking about that before, I had sort of my handle on it as a child. Like, that makes me uncomfortable.
- [24:27]
A
It's a little. Yeah.
- [24:28]
C
And I think they, what they should have done and they sort of are doing this a little bit. But like, I think they should have leaned into more of like her and Shane's relationship to what's going on with the kids while keeping the kid thing big.
- [24:42]
B
She touched on it a little bit with the girls of, like, we've almost divorced first because of this. And then I've heard stuff like, you know, about the, the T shots or whatever. She's like, I finally want to my husband and it's like, give us that and like, leave.
- [24:54]
C
You could still kind of do all of that stuff without giving the details of.
- [24:58]
A
Yeah, it's, I, I, I completely agree. It's always, it's, and it's tough to critique, you know, as new parents. Right. Like, everyone has an opinion about how people should parent and things like that. And obviously, people certainly have opinions about us and what we do as parents and what we share or don't share. But, yeah, it is a little uncomfortable, too, to. To your point, when we're talking about, like, this kid's pipeline.
- [25:18]
C
Yeah.
- [25:18]
A
You know.
- [25:20]
B
We'Re all sitting in the doctor's office.
- [25:23]
C
And also, by the way, he's not. It's. No one seems to know exactly what's happening yet, so it's like, also, we're doing, like, a guessing game. It's not even past the point of a diagnosis yet.
- [25:33]
A
And what is. But what is interesting, too, is that dynamic of. Because I think every couple will struggle sometimes is like, the. The tough love versus kind of the nurturing. You know, it's just like, hey, sometimes, you know, when river cries, like, Nally feels it in her bones. And sometimes I'm just like, you know what? It's. It's gonna be okay. Like, sometimes we don't need to do that. And that is a. That is a challenge for every relationship. And her and Shane clearly are going through that. And Emily is vulnerably admitting that. That she maybe kind of coddles her. Her child. And. And Shane's just like, hey, you know, when you're gone, he magically seems to be okay, so maybe you're playing a role into this and things like that. And that is fascinating.
- [26:12]
C
Right. You know, I also wonder if there was something behind the scenes of you. This is your. What's going on in your life you have to talk about. I'm sure there were conversations. And then, you know, if I put myself in someone like Emily's shoes, you might think, well, this is how I make a living for my family. It's important to kind of go into this. I just don't feel comfortable. Walk. It's one of those things to me that feels a little icky.
- [26:33]
B
It is hard. I mean, it is. It kind of reminds me of, like, Salt Lake City with Mary and her son. And I feel like the difference there obviously, is he's his age, and. Yeah. So it's, you know, he and her coming out and being like. We had this conversation of, like, should we bring this? And he was like, I want to help other people. You know, like, the fact that they had this open conversation about doing this around cameras versus, like, this minor. Who, like, you. Like, no one even knows what's going on, and we're just, like, speculating. And then you're allowing millions of people to Also speculate on your son because I tell you, I post one thing of river and it's like, oh, this is what she has. Oh my gosh, she's not eating because she has this. Oh, she, you know, like, everyone has an opinion and so it's like to open up that door and allow people to try to help diagnose.
- [27:17]
A
Everyone plays doctor.
- [27:18]
C
I know. I don't like the social media thing with I have a three month old and it's like so stressful to post any photo or anything because you just immediately, I mean, if you're taking a picture when the baby's just unswaddled, people are like, well, the blankets in the.
- [27:32]
B
Baby'S too close to the face.
- [27:33]
C
And it's like, well, I. I'm right above the baby.
- [27:37]
B
Yeah. Or I rem. I took a photo of River. I was getting her out of the car seat, so she was. The top one was unbuckled and I took a photo of her and then posted it for maybe five seconds and got like, you're seriously driving around with her unbuckled? I'm like, are you fucking stupid? Like, you really think I'm just like, oh, this one's not meant to be buckled. Since for decor, it's time to take.
- [27:58]
A
A photo, like carrying a backpack with one strap instead of two.
- [28:04]
C
And in general, no one wants, like the parent, even in person. It's like, most of the time you'll ask if you want advice about like, hey, is there a diaper you like or is there a formula into or something. But, you know, no one really wants unsolicited parent advice. And so when it's coming from strangers or I've had people, you know, reach out with like, medical advice. It's like, I'll talk to my pediatrician about that. It's like, I don't even know this person who's reaching out to me with medical advice. Like, why would I take it from you? Like, let me figure it out with my circle.
- [28:29]
B
That was the same thing. While I was pregnant, it was always like, you know, if I said, oh my God, I've got headaches and be like, oh my God, you have. And now that we're going through this, like, trying to get pregnant again, there's a lot of, you need to get checked for this, you need to get checked for that. And I'm like, guys, I am working with doctors, people who like, do know what they're talking about and kind of.
- [28:49]
C
Going back to like the Emily situation. Sometimes with the situation, you want to share Your life to maybe connect with other people who are going through something similar. But then the flip side is you have to deal with that opinions. And you're like, oh, fuck.
- [29:00]
A
Well, Salt Lake City is coming.
- [29:02]
C
I love Salt Lake City.
- [29:03]
A
Soon. What is it? Next week is out two weeks, September 15th. It premieres on my dad's birthday.
- [29:08]
C
How about that?
- [29:08]
A
They did it for him. What are you most excited about and looking forward to this season?
- [29:12]
C
All of it. I love Salt Lake City. I think they're the best at. They have an argument, conflict resolution. So it's like one episode you might have conflict between Lisa and Meredith. The next episode they're together and they're feuding with Heather. And then Heather, you know, so they go really quick, quick. What I like most about Salt Lake City versus something like Beverly Hills is that they have a hundred storylines going on at once. It's not just Beverly Hills. We'll focus on one thing and the whole season. But see, the weird. The fascinating thing about is I. In talking about all these shows, I hear from a lot of people who watch and so many more people, I think, tend to watch Beverly Hills because it's like laundry television. You can fold your laundry while you're watching it because they focus on one storyline.
- [29:54]
B
Yeah. You're not like, wait, what did she just say? Wait, go back.
- [29:57]
C
Yeah, you can miss the two seasons. Whereas Salt Lake, to me, is for the fans. Like, that is like, you have to sit and pay attention.
- [30:03]
A
Well, that's why I like Salt Lake City so much better. And I just realized now why. Because sometimes I'll, like, be watching Beverly Hills. I'm like, didn't we.
- [30:10]
C
Didn't we have this? I thought already, is there another new.
- [30:12]
A
Episode or am I watching the same episode as last week? It feels very repetitive that way.
- [30:16]
C
How is Monica? Monica.
- [30:18]
A
Honestly, fabulous.
- [30:19]
C
Yeah.
- [30:19]
A
And when we had Monica on, you know, like, she came in right after it all went down and. And we talked.
- [30:26]
C
I remember one of those dramatic entrances. Yeah.
- [30:28]
A
And we talk. I was team Heather. Team. I mean, because as someone who's been on rail. Itv, who has, you know, gotten a ton of criticism by the Internet, I feel a certain way about anonymous blogs and anonymous accounts who, whether they think they are or not, are very much bullies to people on tv. They. They don't treat us like human beings. They spread rumors and gossip as if it's like just with. When that all came out, I was. I was triggered. I was just like, this is so fucked. Like, so we had Monica on and she knew all the Shit. We talked. But listen, I didn't agree with what she did. She didn't change my mind that she was wrong, the role she played in being a part of that account. But I also just, like, still could see. I don't think it came from a place of evilness. And, you know, that for all the people who are fans who have, like, these anonymous accounts, again, I think a lot of them. A lot of them just don't realize how it is affecting people. Because I think sometimes as a fan, you just kind of like, almost objectify, Right?
- [31:32]
C
It's like they're. They're not seeing this or they're not.
- [31:34]
A
They're not. Yeah. They're not internalizing it the way I am. So. Yeah. And then, yeah, as we got to know Monica, at first, I was kind of, can I trust this person? I trust this person. But she's. She's honestly been pretty consistent with just being a really nice, pleasant person who was very gracious to come on. And she was like, not, you know, I don't know. She. She seemed fine.
- [31:54]
C
That's what makes a great housewife, though, is when the audience is speculating, do I like this person? Do I not like this person? Where it's. Every week you're kind of going on that roller coaster, and Bravo sort of edits the shows that way. But I think they work best when you're. Week to week, the audience is saying, do I like that person? Do I believe her or her? Do I side with them or that person?
- [32:12]
A
But I am such a fan of Heather. I've told her as much. And I'm waiting for Heather to not try so hard to be friends with the Lisas and the Jen Shaws of it all. And it always just feels like Heather, I don't know, was it. Was it Angie and talking about going to high school with Heather and how she talked about, like, Heather always wanting to be part of, like, the IT group and, like. And that, like, made so much sense, the way she moves with the rest of the women, because she always saying.
- [32:41]
C
You can feel it.
- [32:42]
A
Yeah, she. She. You could. She just seems to be like, Lisa is. Plays a very good Regina George in a way. Right. Or she's, like, kind of popular. She knows all the people. She's in all the scenes. And it seems like Heather always wants to be surrounded. Before, it was Jen Shaw. I feel like Heather has all this potential to be, like, the leader, but she doesn't, like, have the confidence in herself to be the leader. And I hope someday she just decides this Is my season.
- [33:08]
C
She might. You know, that cast just goes on such a roller coaster. It's like.
- [33:12]
B
I mean, Angie last season.
- [33:13]
C
Yeah, Angie. Yeah. And even when Angie first joined, I think all of us were like, oh, who's Angie? She seems a little thirsty or whatever. And then her next season back, everybody was like, I love this woman. I want to watch her every second.
- [33:24]
B
Yeah.
- [33:26]
C
I mean, they do such a good job. And Lisa, you're right. I think, like, Lisa, What I love about Lisa is that she seems to be totally herself on camera for good and bad. And that always works best for a housewife, too. But I love. I mean, even Meredith's.
- [33:38]
B
They're all great.
- [33:39]
C
Sometimes Meredith, I feel like, isn't necess. I don't know how much she is like that, but I love her Persona that she's presenting to us. Like, I don't.
- [33:47]
B
Yeah.
- [33:47]
C
Does that make sense?
- [33:48]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [33:49]
A
Because every. Every season, you get a couple of, like, you. It was just like, yeah. She just goes, you can leave. So hardco. As a new parent, you watched a known number on Netflix.
- [34:00]
C
Oh, my God. Yes. It was crazy. That woman, the mom.
- [34:02]
A
Yeah. We've talked about a little bit, but, like, you know, it must have been very triggering for you as a new parent, like, thinking about, like, what. How could someone.
- [34:09]
C
It was shocking because I didn't know anything. Did you guys know the story before watching?
- [34:13]
B
When they showed her mugshot, I was like, oh, I remember seeing this face.
- [34:17]
A
I didn't know see.
- [34:17]
C
I. Yeah, I didn't even, like, recognize. I didn't know any of the story. And, like, halfway through. Spoiler alert for people who haven't seen it. But halfway through the documentary, we're interviewing this mother who's been abusing me.
- [34:26]
B
Crying.
- [34:27]
C
Who's crying. And, like, I'm on her side. Side, and I'm thinking, oh, my gosh. Like, I can't believe this mother having to deal with her. Her kid getting bullied and these text messages. And then halfway through, it's like, oh, yeah, it was the mom doing it, and the mom. It's, like, so delusional. Delusional. And then it's so upsetting by. By the end of it, the daughter is still defending the mom, which I kind of did. I get it too. I understand. But it's sad.
- [34:50]
A
It's sad. But I was. I was very frustrated with whoever the director was because it really seemed that they. They empathized way too much with the mom and wanted.
- [34:58]
B
I think a lot of people are.
- [34:59]
A
Frustrated, and I wanted a diagnosis Like I wanted to like explain to me how a mother could do something like this. Don't let the mother explain it to us. Her point of view. I don't care about her point of view and I don't want to hear her downplaying it and comparing it to like, you know, me being 17 and stealing a bag of chips.
- [35:17]
C
Right. And it did feel to your point like they didn't grill her enough with any of the questions because by the end of the that it just felt like we all had more questions. Why didn't they should have went deeper? Maybe the mom was just giving surface level answers of like, well I just kind of got caught up into this or whatever. But I just felt like I needed more information. She. There was also some confusion on whether or not she was saying she didn't initially start texting. Somebody else did, which is obviously a lie. But it felt like they didn't grill her enough on that.
- [35:45]
A
They almost accepted that.
- [35:46]
C
I don't even think they said like, well then who did? Do you know who did? What's your, what's your opinion on who did then? Like there was no follow up there and it's like that was a pretty big gap of time that you're saying.
- [35:57]
A
She answered if she got caught up into a certain like kinky porn. You know, it's like she watched some kind of like swinger porn and then like kind of just went down to it and got, and got obsessed and just got obsessed with watching a bunch of orgy porn or whatever. She's like, I don't know. I just like started.
- [36:12]
C
That's what happened. You know, it wasn't first it just happened. But then also like I had questions for the dad too. Like it just he found out and then he was mad about it but then it ended and I don't know, I just wanted more information about like how their relationship was after he found out. And it just, I mean they're probably working on some sort of follow up to it or maybe there's going to be a part two or something I would imagine. But yeah, it just felt like there was too much left on the table there. But it was really fascinating and also just so dark sided that a mother could do this, anyone could do this was weird, disturbing.
- [36:44]
A
Halfway through I felt like I knew. I was like, it's got to be one of the parents, right? Yeah, they knew too much and it was too like it was too sophisticated for it to be.
- [36:52]
C
I wanted to know more about the relationship between the two moms. Like because they were really close friends. It's like, I understand that once the, the boy mom found out that the young woman's mom was doing it, like she. They distance themselves. But it's like, was there ever more confrontation? I don't know. I just wanted more.
- [37:08]
A
Yeah. Before we get into some games we have for you, before we send you on your way, you helped co write Tom and Ariana's cocktail book.
- [37:16]
C
I did pre Scandival.
- [37:17]
A
I was on Special Forces with Tom. He's been on this show. He's gave us one of the more iconic interviews that we've ever had. And I've been on record of saying this, I have a bit of a soft spot for Tom. I obviously don't condone what he did. I think it was horrible. He had a bad time taking accountability, but I don't think he's an evil narcissist that so many people tried to make him out to be. But you are also someone who worked with both of them and obviously got to know them while working with them. I was just kind of curious what your. Your thoughts are, knowing them human to human.
- [37:47]
C
Well, you know, smiley. I'm thinking of the Valley and I found it so fascinating. This never really came up. I don't think I talked about this on my show much, but it was so interesting to me that the audience seemed to hate Tom more than Jax. Yeah. And like Jax was so awful, like just continuously, like abusive physically. We heard things, you know, like there was so much and I don't know, I found that interesting and obviously Scandal was like a bigger cultural moment and stuff, so. And of course I'm. I love Ariana and I, I think she was the best and working with her was so incredible and they, you know, I, I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want to say anything too much, but it was what it was. I don't know. I, I think, like, working with Ariana was so great and you worked with Tom.
- [38:27]
A
You could imagine he's a very interesting eccentric person.
- [38:31]
C
Yeah, I mean, they did come up with all of it. I, I did. I was their co author, whatever. But they did all the cocktails and stuff and, you know, some great recipes and stuff. And Ariana was just like the best to work with. I loved her. I loved working with Ariana.
- [38:44]
B
Okay, love you love working with her. Beautiful, gorgeous.
- [38:48]
C
No. And she's also like. I never thought I said this even before working with them and stuff and getting to know them, I learned I never felt like they gave Ariana the Right. The right edit. I never felt like her personality came across on the show. And then it was fascinating to me. Like once Scandal happened, it seemed then they tried to all of a sudden lean into like, oh, Ariana's great. And I was like, she's always been great, but like, you guys have always presented her as sort of this like, downer person. And I, I never felt that was right. And I would always say that on my show, I'm like, that's the Ariana in real life is so much more vibrant, funny, and, and. And now the world is sort of.
- [39:23]
A
Seeing that Bravo loves their toxic.
- [39:25]
C
But it's like, yeah, that's what I hate the most is like Tom always got this kind of, well, well rounded edit before Scandal and even a little bit after Scandal.
- [39:34]
A
Do you have as much, much empathy for Britney is, say Ariana, or do you feel like Britney is kind of culpable in her life, that she's chosen for herself?
- [39:44]
C
I have a lot of empathy for Britney because I think with the, the sun and that's what I find hard about the Valley. And I like the darkness underbelly of Bravo. And I like watching. I mean, from the beginning, it's not like a new thing. The beginning of Beverly Hills Housewives, we were dealing with alcoholism, suicide, these kind of things. So I find that all very fascinating. But there comes a line or a point right where you're watching. I was like, this is uncomfortable. And some of those situations in the past have been uncomfortable. And with Brittany and Jax, I don't like the kid. It goes back to Emily and Shane. I don't like when there's a kid involved. And I think being a new parent, I'm a little sensitive to that. But it's like knowing Cruz is involved, I don't. All of it makes me a little uncomfortable and very empathetic to Britney because she's saying these things. And there was, I mean, at the reunion, she was saying Jax pushed her in a bush or something. Right. And everybody on the cast said we knew about that, but they didn't even follow up on that. And then it starts to feel like we're protecting Jax, you know, and. And throughout the season, I felt like that too. Going back to your point about protecting a lot of these toxic men, it's like they had Jax doing watch what happens live, playing games. Playing games. Like that was wild to me that he's on watch what happens. I'm playing a silly game. And the doing audience polls and stuff when they knew how the season played out. They knew how the reunion was playing out. I think at one of the points he was on Watch what happens Live. He was doing the. I had hosted some of that. One of the band segments they did where it was like the cast was in the valley van and they paired us up with different people. And so he was in that preseason where they're. So he was doing press and promo and everything, and they knew how. So, like, to me, it's like, well, that's a little dark side, and that makes me uncomfortable.
- [41:16]
D
Yeah, it's so gross.
- [41:17]
C
And so I. I always kind of thought with the Jax thing, they should have of they could still tell the full story. But why are they doing promo with him and, like, leave the story for the show? Yeah, we don't need all these bells and whistles, because then at least I can, as an audience member believe, well, this is a documentary. This is. We're seeing these people's lives. But then when it becomes this, like, showboat thing, I'm like, oh, yeah.
- [41:40]
A
Well said. All right, well, we do have a game or games.
- [41:44]
B
We have a game.
- [41:45]
A
We have a game.
- [41:45]
B
But it's a game of all games.
- [41:47]
A
It's a game of all games. Mary, take it away. Explain the game to our audience.
- [41:50]
B
And, Danny, this game is called Iconic or eye roll.
- [41:54]
C
Okay.
- [41:54]
B
And we are going to show you some moments from pop culture recently, and we want you to tell us whether you think it's iconic or.
- [42:03]
C
Or an eye roll.
- [42:04]
B
An eye roll.
- [42:05]
A
Iconic or eye roll.
- [42:07]
B
And then, of course, Beyonce holding Grammys for auditory listeners is iconic. And Liz Lemon rolling her eyes is eye roll.
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D
Okay?
- [42:15]
B
So up first, we have Doja Cat eating her lipstick on the VMA's red carpet.
- [42:21]
C
Iconic. And I sort of. It brought me back to the days. I know that's not what this it was, but it brought me back to the 90s when they would have, like, a lipstick would be candy. Do you know what I'm saying?
- [42:29]
B
Yeah. Like that, right?
- [42:31]
C
Like, they don't do that anymore. But I love, as a little closeted gay boy, it's like I wanted a candy lipstick.
- [42:37]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [42:38]
D
Yes.
- [42:38]
B
That's 100 what it was. And I. I mean, I think even Gabby said, like, you didn't even get any on your teeth. Right.
- [42:44]
C
Yeah.
- [42:45]
B
Proof that it was well planned. Do you think it was really?
- [42:47]
D
Yeah.
- [42:48]
B
Then it wasn't real lipstick. It was.
- [42:49]
C
Yeah, you're probably right. It was candy scene. I'm done. I was like, yeah, iconic.
- [42:54]
B
It's iconic. All right, up next, we have the end. Just like that finale.
- [42:58]
C
Okay, I, I thought I was gonna say all of these were iconic, but then we talking about this finale, I thought it was terrible. And I hate that they're trying to convince us that it was pre planned, that they knew this was coming. Because if they knew this was coming and they ended it with shots of shit in the toilet and Victor Garber looking at shits in the toilet and cast members or guest stars that we never even knew, like, like these Gen Z kids that were just. It was terrible. I hope that sort of the public backlash against this finale encourages them to come back and do some sort of wrap up movie or something. Because for the whole legacy of those characters to be ended like that to me is just egregious.
- [43:33]
A
Yeah, they took a big dump.
- [43:34]
C
It was a big dump. Literally a literal dump. And it was like, we didn't have to see the poop if you wanted to include the poop. Like, we didn't need to see all the shots of the poop. But it was weird. I don't understand the mechanics behind the scenes of like, did HBO approve all of this? Like, did they just say, did they see the finale and go, okay, that's it.
- [43:52]
A
Honestly, they could have just had Big die and then her get back together with Aiden and then end it.
- [43:57]
C
But then we all hate. And then they ruined Aiden. Like I was always team Aiden back in the day and I was like, oh, we ruined Aiden. I kind of feel like they, and I hate to be dramatic, but I feel like they ruined all of the characters. Like almost every one of the characters they ruined. And Charlotte Harry, like, like everything about what was her Vertigo situation. I could go on and on.
- [44:16]
D
It's Miranda Hobbs.
- [44:17]
B
You're gonna tell me one of the most successful lawyers, the one that had their head on straight, is the one that's like an alcoholic mess. It's like, I don't know who I am anymore.
- [44:24]
C
Come on. And then we didn't even get a scene between the three gals in the finale. It was like we're spending time with these Gen Z people who were written just like, like, I don't know.
- [44:34]
B
But what about Rosie o'? Donnell?
- [44:36]
C
I did love Rosie. To me, that was the high. I mean, I'm a huge Rosie o' Donnell fan and that was the high point. To me, that was the, the perfect level of cringe where it was like that funny cringe and it worked. Her singing Wicked in the, in the alleyway to Miranda, like, that was, that could have crossed the line. But to me it went Right up to it, where it was like, perfect. But it was the only, I think one of the few moments of the whole season that I was like, this is good. And tonally, it was all over the place. I don't know.
- [45:02]
A
We tried the first season. I was like, I can't.
- [45:04]
C
No, you're smart.
- [45:07]
B
Once Che Diaz. It's uninteresting.
- [45:09]
C
I know. And to me, I like the first couple of seasons because of the Che Diaz of it all. I think it was worse in the first two seasons, but in that way, it made it more fun. This most recent season, they course corrected a little bit, but so it was still bad. But it wasn't fun. It wasn't as fun bad. It was like, oh, this is just like boring.
- [45:26]
A
Well, the good news is you can still go back and watch old episodes of Sex in the City. And like, Anaji's cleanses your palate.
- [45:32]
C
I know. Because those original episodes you can watch a million times. And I would tell anyone there have been some contrarian takes that have come out after. And just like that of people saying, actually it was good, you know, New York Times did something. And I was like, I would encourage any of those contrarian takes to watch an episode of. And just like that, more than once, because I was recapping on my show and there was a couple that I had to watch twice because I was taking notes or whatever. And I dare anyone to watch an episode. It gets worse. It is painful to watch their 50 minute episodes.
- [46:00]
A
When it comes out, you have the nostalgia of, you know, the original franchise, and you're just like, all right, we're coming back, baby.
- [46:07]
C
See the characters. And you're like, oh, maybe this isn't that bad. So I dare anyone who says that and just like, that wasn't that bad to watch an episode more than than once.
- [46:15]
B
Okay, so we got an eye roll on. I roll on that one. All right, up next, we have Sabrina Carpenter writing the lyrics. Tears run down my thighs.
- [46:23]
C
Iconic. I like that. Sabrina is, like doing the old pop star playbook and, like, giving us some things to talk about because no one else is. She's being a little controversial. It's not like super controversial, but it's like, I'm enjoying it.
- [46:35]
B
She's. I love it. Come over. You can first, second, third floor. You can come in the back door.
- [46:43]
A
You know, you need a pop star. If you have parents like my work, mine were when I was a kid who are just, you know, very like, God and things like that to, like, kind of suggest that your favorite Pop star like might, you know, just be like the worst influence for you, but they're really, honestly totally fine. Like you need a little bit of that.
- [47:01]
C
You need, Everyone needs a little bit of that.
- [47:03]
A
You need a church mom to like, not like their music.
- [47:06]
C
Yeah. It's the pop star playbook and it's like I. And if pop stars shouldn't play it safe and they should cross the line a little bit and not that that does but I just think she's playful and fun and. And now at this point, now we're expecting playful lyrics like that out of Sabrina Carpenter. That's what she's been delivering. And so if you're surprised by that.
- [47:23]
B
I am excited for the tour for this because Juno, she gave us so many, so many iconic moments. I mean I learned so much. I know. Oh great. I'll taking notes, try that one out. She really is like a Shakespearean wordsmith if you think about it.
- [47:38]
C
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [47:39]
B
100% yeah. O are iconic. Iconic. All right, up next we have Karen Huger's post prison fit.
- [47:45]
C
I'm excited for Karen Huger's post prison iconic. I'm excited. I think I read a headline that maybe Andy's doing a one on one with her and there was posts that maybe she was filming when she was leaving the prison. And that excites me because I just know that mid season trailer, it's going to be like one of the Nick Vile trailers where it's like somebody sitting down dramatically. The mid season one at the end of the mid season trailer, it's going to be Karen Huger getting in that car and it's going to be so good and I can't wait. And you know, she did her time and yeah.
- [48:14]
B
Iconic icon Hillary Duff signing to Atlantic Records to release new music.
- [48:18]
C
Iconic.
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B
I mean I love.
- [48:22]
C
She's amazing and I hope that, I hope that people embrace her new music. I mean her last. She had a couple good songs more recently in her last music venture and I just feel like they kind of came and went but hopefully put some.
- [48:34]
B
Respect on her name.
- [48:34]
C
I know.
- [48:36]
B
Let's go back to the beginning. She made it through and also, also.
- [48:39]
C
Like go back to the drawing board with the Lizzie McGuire reboot because they tried to do that and they were trying to do like an older version of it and Disney I guess pulled the plug because it was a little too old.
- [48:48]
B
She was gonna have sex and they got really scared.
- [48:51]
C
Yeah. And it's like let Lizzie. We got Hulu for that. If you don't want to Put it on Disney plus, put on Hulu and let us watch. I mean, we don't need to see.
- [49:02]
B
Everything, but, like, let Lizzy allude to it if you. You must. Maybe a Sabrina Carpenter song should be.
- [49:07]
C
Yeah. Could you imagine that premiere Sabrina Carpenter playing while.
- [49:11]
B
And then like, here's running her thighs.
- [49:13]
C
Right when Lizzie's about to. It's like the animated Lizzie comes on the screen so we don't have to see anything. Animated Lizzie comes on like Lizzie. And then there we go.
- [49:25]
B
Okay, I found it. Taylor Swift's engagement ring.
- [49:27]
C
Oh, Iconic. You know, there's like these rumors that she's. I'm from northeast Ohio and there's rumors that she, like, got a place there with Travis. And I'm very excited about it. I just heard this, like, Chagrin Falls area, so I'm excited about that. But I'm, I'm. I like, I love to take your.
- [49:41]
B
Son to, like, trick or treat around the neighborhood.
- [49:44]
C
My husband really loves Taylor Swift and he was saying for the first time ever, it's like sort of open the doors. Like, maybe we can live in Ohio. My family's all in Ohio. Maybe we can move there.
- [49:56]
B
All right, let's do. Let's get into some rap and fire on these. White Lotus France location reveal.
- [50:01]
C
I'm excited. Iconic. I think I had heard rumors that maybe it's going to be like a wintry season. Like if they film, I think before May, it's winter there or something.
- [50:10]
A
Yeah, but he hasn't. He said he, like, despises the cold.
- [50:12]
C
Yeah, but so that's what I'm curious about. Like, will he. Will they do. Did HBO kind of convince him to do a wintry thing? Because I would like a wintry.
- [50:20]
B
Yeah, a ski lodge.
- [50:21]
C
A ski lodge trip. At least try it. We'll see how it goes. So I hope guys.
- [50:25]
A
Freezing in the snow.
- [50:26]
B
That's probably what happened.
- [50:29]
C
But I just. I would like a little switch up. Just because visually I think we need a little. I know they do different countries and stuff, but I would love, like a. A seasonal switch up.
- [50:36]
A
Maybe fall, autumn.
- [50:39]
B
Everyone has latte.
- [50:42]
C
Give it to us, Christian girl.
- [50:43]
B
Autumn.
- [50:44]
C
White Lotus. I'm excited for, like, the rumors of an all Star White Lotus. Like, have you heard that, like, eventually Mike White might want to do an all star where it's like. That would be amazing.
- [50:53]
A
That would be cool.
- [50:54]
B
Amazing. All right. Britney Spears Instagram account.
- [50:56]
C
Okay, well, I. First of all, we hope everything is well with Brittany. I want to know, was that. Does anyone know what bathroom? So this Was a. This was an Instagram clip you're showing where she was on a date. On a date at a sushi restaurant. She posted that she was in the bathroom. The date wasn't going well. And does anyone recognize. I was trying to think, what sushi restaurant is that? Bathroom.
- [51:15]
B
Yeah, that's what I was.
- [51:16]
A
It's giving. Well, I've only been in Nobu like.
- [51:19]
B
Twice, so I. I feel like that's.
- [51:20]
A
It has an aesthetic that Nobu would.
- [51:22]
B
Right.
- [51:22]
C
Could you imagine just like walking.
- [51:23]
B
Britney Spears is not going to like.
- [51:26]
C
Walking in to take a number one and it's like Britney's just doing the dance in there on a day. Like, could you imagine that?
- [51:31]
B
Like, I'd offer to film. I'd be like, no, let me help you.
- [51:33]
C
I know, I'll take care of it. We'll get a good.
- [51:35]
A
Yeah, I'll play music.
- [51:37]
B
That's crazy.
- [51:38]
C
I mean, I hope everything's. Well, I don't know. I hope everything's.
- [51:42]
A
I'm always hoping, praying that this is all just a bit. And she's.
- [51:46]
C
She's just a genius. You never really know.
- [51:48]
B
Like, it's like she comes out and she's like, haha. Got you all. Yeah. Yeah.
- [51:53]
C
It's like.
- [51:53]
A
And also, if you are having a bad date, make the most of it.
- [51:56]
C
Yeah. And honestly. Yeah. Who hasn't. Who amongst us hasn't been on a bad date where you go in the bathroom and start. Yeah.
- [52:03]
B
It's better than crawling out the window. At least she went back.
- [52:06]
C
Yeah. At least.
- [52:08]
A
Filming this though. Do you think she just.
- [52:09]
D
I think it's on.
- [52:10]
B
She put it, she put it on the top. She has an octo body. I do got a little on the.
- [52:15]
C
Window right on the wall.
- [52:16]
B
The amount of videos this girl's putting.
- [52:18]
C
Out, I do appreciate that. It's like we're. It at least doesn't feel like it's running through a social media manager.
- [52:23]
B
Yeah, right. She's being authentically herself. All right, we have two more. Gretchen claiming she never went to the hospital. But also. Yes, she did go.
- [52:32]
C
I. I roll. It's like, what? Be honest with us. Like, just tell us what's. I don't know. There's footage of you saying that you went to the hospital and then there's footage of you saying you didn't go to the hospital and all that. Like, lie detector. I hate all the lie detectors. They need to retire lie detectors on. Have you guys done lie detectors on here? No, they need to retire that.
- [52:52]
B
We're like, yeah, we do It.
- [52:52]
C
It was like.
- [52:55]
B
To do it for you. And 10.
- [52:56]
C
Here he is. But who like. I mean, it's an Emily hosting it. She's an attorney. It's like, come on, what are we doing here? It's so stupid. And it also is like, what group of friends are getting together for a lie detector test? I understand we're breaking the fourth wall a little bit, but maybe we need to put that fourth wall back up, because now at this point, what group of friends is getting together to have one of them surprise you with the lie detector test that you're going to talk about at every event that you go to with each other? It's like nuts.
- [53:21]
B
You do need a special skill in housewives to be able to break the fourth wall. Otherwise, it does need to stay up.
- [53:26]
C
Yeah.
- [53:26]
B
Bravo. Bravo. Bravo.
- [53:27]
C
Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. Kind of out. And I think they keep trying to dip into the breaking of the fourth wall, and then they don't fully go all the way. But when it comes to something like this, it's like, now we're just watching a group of people that were cast, and there's no artifice of them even being friends, much less if you're getting together and you're just watching Lie Detector's House, it's like, what are we watching here? But in. In Gretchen, it's like, just be honest. I don't know.
- [53:50]
B
She acts like she doesn't think there's cameras and, like, mics on. Like, you should know. Whatever you say will be right. Run back. Yeah.
- [53:57]
C
Yeah.
- [53:57]
B
All right.
- [53:58]
C
Got your ass.
- [53:59]
B
Last one. Taco Bell. Bringing back the cool ranch. Doritos, Taco Iconic, canceled.
- [54:05]
C
I know. I didn't realize they took them away, but they need to never take them away.
- [54:08]
B
Yeah, it's part of a Y2K, like, thing they're doing, which is insane to.
- [54:12]
C
Me, but I appreciate that all of these fast food restaurants, they're doing, like, these drops now, like fashion places always have done. And so it's like we're getting all these new. They'll come out with a drink one week. They'll come out the Y2K menu or something. And that's fun.
- [54:25]
B
Fun or even, like, collabing with reality stars. You know, we have Taylor Frankie Paul's, like, drink with. With Taco Bell, you know, it was good, too.
- [54:33]
C
Was it?
- [54:34]
B
It was a frozen Baja Blast with, like, heavy creamer.
- [54:37]
C
Where would you most want to do a collab? Like, where would you want to do, like, a. And what would it be if you had to do a Taco Bell?
- [54:42]
B
Or like a McDonald's chick fil A. And it's making them like, not homophobic.
- [54:46]
C
No. Yeah, yeah.
- [54:48]
B
That's. That's the partnership. I'm like, listen, let's work together. It's crazy. Natalie just ended homophobic.
- [54:54]
A
Like.
- [54:56]
B
And we're open on Sunday.
- [54:59]
A
The way Danny goes. Roller coaster ride.
- [55:02]
C
You're right. Yeah. No, I. I agree with you. I. Yeah. Because I used to love their chicken.
- [55:08]
D
Right?
- [55:08]
C
I know.
- [55:09]
B
If you make them an ally.
- [55:10]
C
I know. But what about you, Nick? Would there be.
- [55:13]
B
Nick hates fast food.
- [55:13]
C
Or if you had. You don't like any fast food. Like if you had to put together McDonald's, you know how they do those collabs where it's like, that's their.
- [55:19]
A
It would be Culver's. I'm a Wisconsin kid.
- [55:22]
C
What is it?
- [55:22]
A
Order Be their butter burger.
- [55:24]
C
Okay.
- [55:24]
A
But I don't clap. I don't know. Like. I don't know.
- [55:26]
C
Like in. I think in the McDonald's ones you have to put together a meal. So it's like a double chicken.
- [55:30]
B
Take one thing. Like a McChicken and a McFlurry.
- [55:33]
A
Well, my McDonald's order was always a Big Mac with a six piece chicken nuggets and fries.
- [55:37]
C
There you. That'd be the nickname.
- [55:38]
D
Okay.
- [55:39]
B
So you put the chicken nuggets on the Big Mac. It's called the Going Deeper. There you go. Wait, that's actually good. So good. What would yours be?
- [55:47]
C
Probably double cheeseburger. No mustard or onion. Onion. I hate how they cut up their onions. So small like them and you can't get them off.
- [55:54]
B
So true.
- [55:55]
C
And then a four piece chicken nugget. A toy.
- [55:57]
A
The pickle always looks really sad too.
- [56:00]
C
I like the pickle, but it is sad. Yeah. I just don't like how you can't remove them easily. Like the pickles.
- [56:07]
B
You can, but I like it. So it's like in the meat like veins.
- [56:12]
A
Yeah.
- [56:12]
C
Yeah. I would do a nostalgic toy too. I would like. My meal. Would have a Happy Meal toy from the 90s.
- [56:18]
B
Cute. Like that would be like that. I know that.
- [56:21]
C
Be.
- [56:21]
A
I. I would make them use real meat this time.
- [56:23]
B
Yeah. Nick worked at McDonald's. Did you really?
- [56:26]
A
For like a month.
- [56:27]
C
How was it? I worked at a Panera once. Not the same.
- [56:29]
A
I used to steal chicken nuggets on my way back to the bathroom.
- [56:32]
B
Nice.
- [56:34]
D
Love that.
- [56:34]
C
Is there anything so you would still be able to eat there after working there?
- [56:38]
A
Well, when I was 15, I didn't really care. And I also feel like that was Long enough for ago.
- [56:43]
B
Maybe things have gotten better.
- [56:45]
A
Well, I think things have gotten worse. Like now they, you know, there's one of my. I saw a recent video where a guy like bought like a McDonald's cheeseburger and just left it outside to see if like nature would eat it, you know, like, would animals be like, this is food. And like no one touched it. Two weeks, two weeks later, mint condition. Like no squirrels, no birds. All the time.
- [57:06]
B
They were all like, oh, no, no plastic.
- [57:08]
C
Can I complain about something with them really quickly? I hate how you go in there. Now the one right here where we're at nearby is. Doesn't have anyone working the counter anymore. You have to like order at the machine computer thing. And I'm like so sick of going to these places and like not being able to talk to somebody. And I don't want to tap a screen or the grocery stores. It's like, I don't know, I wait.
- [57:28]
A
In line at the grocery store.
- [57:29]
C
I don't know the POS system. Like, I'm not trained.
- [57:31]
A
Like, I will. If most grocery stores will have like the self checkout and like two cashiers. I'll. I'll wait in the, in the line for the cashier.
- [57:39]
C
Yeah. The Target only has sometimes one, if not sometimes zero workers. And it's so frustrating. And then here in LA, you have to pay 10 cents for the bag. And I, I was talking about this on my show. I said, like, that's my employee discount is the bag. Because if you're making me do the bagging and the checkout and everything, like I deserve an employee discount.
- [57:57]
A
In California, when they ask how many bags you have and you say they're like, are you sure?
- [58:01]
C
They're like double checking people like me who are lying.
- [58:05]
B
I always say zero bags. Yeah, I'm the first person. No, I'm not. I'm not paying for a bag if.
- [58:11]
C
You'Re making me do all the work. Like, why do I have to pay for the fucking bag?
- [58:13]
B
I mean, yeah, I, I'm the first person to complain and ask someone to open up another register. I'm like, you see, this line is all the way into your makeup section and this is causing traffic. You need to open up another checkout, please. You two ladies are talking about like your boy problems. You know, like, get, let's get to work.
- [58:29]
C
And at McDonald's it's like, I sometimes might just want to ask a question about something totally.
- [58:34]
A
I don't know.
- [58:34]
C
I want to ask, have you changed.
- [58:35]
B
How you chop up your onions?
- [58:37]
C
Yeah.
- [58:37]
B
And the POS system isn't answering.
- [58:39]
C
Or is the ice cream machine down? Or like, what? I don't know.
- [58:42]
B
There's no comments.
- [58:43]
D
Your day?
- [58:44]
C
Yeah. How's your day? Like, just in general. It's so bleak to me now. And I only notice this because normally if I go, it's not like I go much or whatever, but it's like the drive thru if you go. But I had to go in the one day and I was like, what is going on here at all these places? And I feel like such a boomer. Complaining, like at the sky or yelling at them.
- [59:00]
B
I agree with you. It's like a lot like in the airport. It's a lot of that.
- [59:06]
A
Yeah.
- [59:07]
C
Let me talk to somebody.
- [59:07]
A
You're not that old.
- [59:09]
C
Birthday in a month.
- [59:12]
A
When's your birthday?
- [59:12]
C
October 9th.
- [59:13]
A
Okay.
- [59:14]
D
Depressed about it?
- [59:15]
C
Are you guys good about getting older? Are you guys good about it?
- [59:18]
B
I'm working on it. Doesn't like to talk.
- [59:19]
A
I just ignore it.
- [59:20]
B
Yeah.
- [59:21]
C
Okay.
- [59:21]
A
I. I look young. I feel young. I'm a young dad.
- [59:24]
C
Right.
- [59:25]
A
Is all that really matters. We don't celebrate the number anymore. Yeah. Danny, this has been so much fun, man. Please come back. So much fun. Where can people find you?
- [59:34]
C
My podcast is called Everything Iconic. I. I recap a lot of housewives. So I'm. I'm recapping the Valley or Real House of Orange county. And my social media is at Danny Pellegrino. I have two books out to essay collections. So go check those out wherever you.
- [59:47]
A
Get your books, anywhere where you can get your book. Up next, Adriana Demora from the Real Housewives of Miami joins us to talk about everything going on this season. Was it Rich? Ratchet? Was it Ratchet? Ratchet.
- [60:00]
B
See, you can't even do it.
- [60:02]
C
Also, give her a mojito. Give her a mojito.
- [60:05]
A
And Kiki, she's zooming in.
- [60:06]
B
Well, let's get to her.
- [60:08]
A
She's up next.
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B
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- [63:45]
D
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
- [63:48]
A
So great to have you. We're all big fans of you. How are you doing? How are you enjoying this season? Let's start there.
- [63:55]
B
I think we're.
- [63:56]
D
I'm enjoying myself. I feel like I started like stealth mode. You know, I came in quickly, but now I'm giving it so I feel great about it.
- [64:04]
B
Are you having more fun watching it back than you were actually filming it or the other way around? Yes. Okay.
- [64:09]
D
It's usually better to watch than to be in the middle of it chaos. So yes.
- [64:14]
B
Okay. You've gotten to the other side.
- [64:16]
A
I think the fans want to know. If you don't mind us asking, what is your relationship status these days? I think we all were big fans of that hot young man by your side. And we love an age gap here on the vial files. And so, yeah. Is he, is he still in the picture? Are you out there doing your thing?
- [64:38]
D
Well, no, he's no longer, you know, he's a CEO of French company and he had to go to Paris and he had to stay in Paris for a good six months. So that kind of. The relationship didn't last, didn't survive the, the long distance out the old and ended single, ready to mingle. Why are you available?
- [65:00]
A
Ask my wife.
- [65:01]
B
You can have him for a night. He's pretty fun. You can have Mar. No, no, no. You can take him for a night. I take.
- [65:11]
A
I'm flattered. You're. You're gorgeous. If I, if you don't mind me saying, I'm blushing.
- [65:15]
B
He is blushing. He doesn't get hit on very often because, you know.
- [65:19]
A
No, I'm just married with a kid. Married with a kid.
- [65:22]
D
So. Sorry. I feel so bad.
- [65:24]
A
No, not at all. This is so much fun.
- [65:27]
B
Who do you feel like you're closest with to the cast right now post filming?
- [65:31]
D
Lisa. Lisa and. Okay.
- [65:34]
B
Not Julia.
- [65:36]
D
No.
- [65:37]
A
Well, speaking of Julia, I, you know, I think I speak for many fans. We were just kind of confused by her, I guess call it reveal or announcement when it came to her adoption. Obviously beautiful thing that she was able to do that. We're all very happy for her and her family. But it just, it really just, it just seemed like very odd how she went about kind of like telling everyone and then revealing it to the audience. Obviously you guys, guys were, it seemed like close friends. Did it seem as odd or as awkward to you how she decided to go about telling everyone about this big decision in her life?
- [66:15]
D
Yes, it did. Especially because I was with her through the process. Right. I twice signed her home studies, vouching for her and Martina. So when you're that involved and all of a sudden in a. You just, you know, I don't know anything about it. I don't know the development of it. And then she just. We have this communication through some of the producers saying, we know we're going to have, you know, an announcement that's going to be on camera. Everybody needs to log into the zoom call at this time. I'm like, okay. And something Julia has to say. So then I am in Montana because was at a wedding in Montana. So I texted her. I was like, are you okay? Is everything okay? Because then I'm concerned. And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, don't worry you're gonna hear this with everybody else. It's just better you hear about this on camera. So I'm thinking, well, I. I don't know what you think of it. And just felt so manipulative and just so, you know, calculated the way that news, I mean, like, supposed to be given. She could have said, you know, you helped me throughout this process. Guess what? I did it. Now we're gonna tell everybody else was let down, you know, was a letdown for me. And I felt it was quite awkward.
- [67:29]
C
Yeah.
- [67:30]
B
And did you guys ever have a conversation about you being the godmother at any point?
- [67:36]
D
We haven't, but, you know, I assumed that if I'm good enough to vouch for her in order for her to get the children, that shouldn't be too far from, you know, of an ask, you know, and if she asked me, I'll be. I mean, I raised the boy and that happens to be an outstanding citizen, you know, a very responsible young man. So I feel like the biggest testament to your person. It's how you, well, your children do and how, you know, responsible they are. So I felt like that wouldn't be a question when it came to that. But I guess not in her mind.
- [68:17]
A
What would it take for you guys to mend this relationship? Relationship?
- [68:21]
D
I don't know. I feel like probably some time. And then also, you know, some real deep conversations in which you don't have outer influence of certain new found friends that are now, you know, I feel like taking her to a space that she shouldn't be in. You know, people that are just telling her what she wants to hear instead of telling her, you know, how things really are.
- [68:52]
B
Do you feel like the other women have pushed a wedge between you and Julia? Like, where. Where is your friendship at today?
- [68:59]
D
Right now? We really don't have a friendship.
- [69:03]
B
Do you feel like her feud with Gertie was orchestrated?
- [69:06]
D
I have my suspicions. I feel like, Sorry, my dog wants to come into the dog, the baby. He's like in my lap, like asking me for. I feel like, yes, there were some influence. I feel like that was a conversation that was had. That was something that was, you know, literally orchestrated. There's also someone that is the master manipulator that works in the shadows and never shows hands. And she's very cunning in that sense that she used people a little less bright that can't see through to then deliver, you know, her.
- [69:45]
B
Who would you say that would be?
- [69:47]
A
Yeah, if you had a guess, who's a little dimmer.
- [69:50]
D
I would guess. Marcel.
- [69:55]
A
Is that why you hate her so much?
- [69:57]
D
Don't hate Marisol. You know, I just pity her. I'm mostly disappointed and hurt by her, and I don't hate her.
- [70:04]
B
I feel like in the last episode, Stephanie. Maybe it was the teaser, but Stephanie was kind of saying that she's starting to suspect that Marisol is behind a lot of, like, the tension between her and Alexis. Alexia, are. How are you? And Stephanie and d. Have you guys talked about Marisol at all or, like, got on the same page?
- [70:21]
D
Yeah. So obviously, I think things are starting to be revealed now where Marisol Alexia kind of says what the intention or what the. The reason why. The real reason why they didn't want to get in that plane was because Stephanie had gone out to lunch with. With me. So to me, that whole series of the reason why we don't want to go to your plane is because your bossy or the sitting or the this or the that. That's not the truth. The truth is Marisol wanted to punish Stephanie for going to lunch with me because Marisol has since the get go, trying to ask me from the group and ask me out, beginning with her, you know, party for her wedding. I wasn't invited.
- [71:09]
B
Right.
- [71:09]
D
And then, you know, everything happened. But. So she was trying to teach Stephanie a lesson by saying, you're not going to play by my rules. I am going to teach you a lesson. And that was the lesson.
- [71:24]
B
Do you feel like Stephanie is trying to impress people with her jet?
- [71:27]
D
You know, it's so funny. Stephanie is not like that. Like, the countless times that I've been together with her and we life. She's actually very humble and very focused on her work. She's not always flaunting and mentioning her things. Her things are there because they are there, but she's not really talking about it.
- [71:44]
A
Do you think it's more of a projection from the people who don't have what Stephanie has almost like, you know, throw, you know, putting that idea out there that she is kind of leading with the jet rather than, you know, it actually coming from Stephanie.
- [71:58]
D
Yes. I feel like. Feel like Stephanie's secure enough in herself and her, you know, professional accomplishments that she doesn't need to rely on her material things. But, yes, she's sarcastic and something I actually appreciate on somebody. If you are smart and sarcastic, I'm right down there with you, you know, So I feel like some people just don't get. Don't get her. Don't get her sense of humor because she truly does not Flaunt her things in real life. In real life. Conversations when cameras aren't rolling. That's not her.
- [72:28]
A
Love that behind the scenes. How are. How are you and Kiki? And have you guys been able to clear up the whole ratchet or ratchet mess up debacle, whatever?
- [72:38]
B
Yes.
- [72:40]
D
We have. You have? We had had on camera and off camera conversations where I did apologize. I said, if it's ratchet with a wreath, the man the way I intended the whole intention. Okay, let's go back the backstory. The. If you guys are interested, I think just a little bit on the backstage of the whole thing. Right. So we're in Spain. We're going to the Alcazar, and we're having a great time. I am giving the girl some history lesson on art history and architecture. And we're. Everybody seems entertained and happy except Kiki. So she's not being herself, she's being unhappy, but she wouldn't say why. Later on, when we get out of the vans to go to the dinner, the first person that comes out of two separate vans, Kiki, is in one van with some of the girls, and I was in the other van with some other girls. And then the first person that comes out of Kiki's van is Julia. And she runs to me and says, oh, Kiki was trying to pick a fight with me inside the van, saying that why didn't I check on her all day? Because she wasn't happy that the girls, the other girls, went on through their daily activities without inviting Kiki or checking on her. So she was in her feelings about that. And I said, okay, fine. We go on to sit with this long rectangular table, and Julia and I sit across from each other in one end. And then people, you know, proceeded to sit themselves just as they arrive. Um, then. So Kiki is on the other end, and then there's Alexia next to her. So after everybody's seated, Kiki started, alexia, why you have your back turned to me? Julia, you know, why you're sitting on the other end so far away from me? Then Marisol goes, kiki, stop your theatre metrics. Because Kiki was just going around the table trying to pick a fight with somebody because she was unhappy. And then finally when she got to me and I was in the middle of this conversation, that's when I said, you know, why you so wretched? Meaning why you're so miserable? We're in this beautiful place, in this beautiful restaurant is the Last Supper, you know, in Spain. Can we just enjoy this moment and leave A tender moment alone. Alone. That was the sentiment, of course, that escalated and. But the truth is I regret saying that word because it has a double connotation, which I definitely not intended. And if it's retro with an R or this Lang derived version of R, you know, colloquial term, they're both pejorative narrative. So I shouldn't use the word. And I regret saying the word. And I apologize to Kiki and, you know, I'll again formally say I regret using the word. You know, not taking. Lesson learned. I'll not use the word again.
- [75:49]
A
Well, thanks for coming. I feel like it makes a lot of sense to us, so. And I'm glad that it also. It seems like you and Kiki are in a good place, so. And I think that's what matters most.
- [75:58]
D
So, yes, Kiki and I are in a good place. You know, she has apologized and I have apologized, and we're all okay now. Interestingly, going back to people manipulating and cunning and fabricating things and continue to push stories that don't belong to them is at the finale, you're going to see a big development of this story on someone that would not let the bone go and continues to push this when the things have been squashed already, you know, so that's what's interesting. Then you're gonna have a big moment where you're gonna see how people. Some people actually work and how their best work comes out of the shadows into the light.
- [76:38]
A
Does that involve the Kiki blocking Gertie of it all?
- [76:41]
D
No, no, there has nothing to do with that.
- [76:43]
B
More.
- [76:44]
D
Yeah, there's more. There's more.
- [76:45]
A
What does it rhyme with?
- [76:46]
D
Yeah.
- [76:50]
A
Julia Misa.
- [76:54]
B
We'll get there eventually. Yeah.
- [76:55]
A
You know, we appreciate you giving us that much. Do you think Lisa was overreacting by not unfollowing?
- [77:01]
D
Well, that was more of a sense of Lisa doesn't like to be told what to do. She didn't realize that maybe it was not the, you know, the best move not to unfollow. But until we had a conversation again at the Alcazar, and. And when she asked me for my opinion and because Lisa and I have a long history, you know, like since season two. And when I explained to her my side, how I felt it and how I see it, that she was. Was more of a detriment to her to not unfollow than to unfollow, then she understood and she said, you know what? That's it. She just didn't want it to be told, you know, to be bossed around by Larson. That was the point that she was trying to make.
- [77:39]
B
What is your opinion on Jody?
- [77:41]
D
I like Jody.
- [77:42]
B
You do? And the him texting Larsa, did that bug you as much as it seemed to kind of bug the other women?
- [77:48]
D
Well, I, I never like guys kind of meddling into the girls conversations because that is just like, like a couple, you know, when a couple has an argument, if a friend tries to medal into that, you know, the couple is going to make up and then the friend's going to be the bad guy. Right. So I feel like guys in dat context should not try to interfere one way or another. However, they were friends in the sense that they did socialize a lot. So two couples, right. And they did exchange numbers and they had that kind of intimate relationship where they did text each other. So, you know, it probably wasn't the best thing to do, but they did it anyway. And yeah, I don't want to put.
- [78:34]
B
Words in your mouth, but for me, like watching Larson Lisa go at it at the dinner table while Lisa's trying to deal with like legal papers and all that stuff, is there more to the story or was like all of that vitriol solely based off of unfollowing her ex boyfriend? Because it just kind of seemed like that was a pretty brutal way to talk to someone.
- [78:53]
D
I feel like there's more to the story than that. Right. I feel like it's not just that, but I feel like she's hanging on to that one because that's the one thing that people can see know about. I'm sorry, my thing keeps falling off.
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B
You just have little ears.
- [79:09]
D
I do.
- [79:11]
B
Little ears. You're just so little.
- [79:12]
D
Literally. But I have big boobs to make up for that.
- [79:15]
B
Hey, can't relate.
- [79:21]
D
Gotta compensate somehow. And I hear guys prefer playing with boobs and ears, so that's why. Totally.
- [79:28]
B
I've heard that too.
- [79:33]
D
But just playing with. Yeah, I don't know, I think they had a big, you know, friendship and there's a lot involved and I think they're both upset. And to me it was just. It was just deeper than that, you know, it's just deeper than that, you know.
- [79:48]
A
How's your master's going over at Harvard?
- [79:50]
D
Great. I'm already in my last semester. I graduate next spring, so. Working hard.
- [79:57]
A
We love that.
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D
Thank you.
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A
Our, one of our executive producers here, Justin, he is also a art history major. Yeah, I studied art history.
- [80:05]
D
Wow.
- [80:06]
B
No, so, I mean, my take, my.
- [80:07]
A
Take on Miami is you're one of.
- [80:09]
C
The wisest People, because you've been there since season one. But also, like, watching your little history lessons. I think we need it.
- [80:15]
D
Thank you. Little culture doesn't hurt anyone, right? That's right.
- [80:20]
B
How did you feel about. Was it Marisol saying that she also had a Harvard sweatshirt?
- [80:25]
C
Yeah. From the airport.
- [80:26]
B
From the airport.
- [80:27]
D
Well, you know, that's a. That's a dis. The perennial, you know, dislike of her. It makes me just wonder, why does she dislike me so much? Is it because she can't do what I do?
- [80:38]
A
You know, gotta be, you know, haters. Haters hate, you know?
- [80:44]
D
Yes, I guess, you know, like, if somebody's. If somebody's not hating you, you're not doing something, you know, positive or, you know, big enough. Right. If you don't have haters, that means you're not succeeding.
- [80:53]
A
People don't hate people who are less success than them, you know?
- [80:58]
B
How.
- [80:59]
D
Exactly.
- [81:00]
B
How do you like being a friend of. Do you miss being an original housewife, or do you think the friend of is kind of a better gig?
- [81:07]
D
There's pros and cons, you know, to. To either there's less pressure, but I still feel like I produce just as a full time, so I don't feel like my impact on the show is lesser. So, you know. Yeah, that's fine.
- [81:23]
A
Outside of your. You speak 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 different languages, is that correct?
- [81:30]
D
Yes.
- [81:31]
A
Outside of the language that you learned growing up with, what's your. What's the most fun language to speak?
- [81:37]
D
Italian. Yeah, I love Italian because I was born in. Born and raised in Brazil, so Portuguese is my native language. Then I learned English because in my school we had English. Then later I learned Spanish and then French and then Italian. When I studied and lived abroad in Italy studying art, you know, but I had already my. That's how the families came from. Came from Venice, so I already had Italian in my family. So to me, like, the language that I feel closer to after Portuguese is Italian because it's close to home. Beautiful.
- [82:15]
B
How do you feel like the vibe of the Real Housewives of Miami has changed over the years.
- [82:20]
D
I feel like we have somewhat evolved with times where we. I feel like the younger generation, like, you guys are impacting the way shows are now being done. I think we were a lot more cutthroat before, and now we have to be kinder and nicer.
- [82:40]
B
That's interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. Do you, like. In what way do you feel like the younger generation generation is like, can you give us an example of what you feel like?
- [82:50]
D
I Feel there's less prejudice that is accepted. You know, that has been since, you know, the technological revolution that created more of a diversity acceptance where the whole world could chime in. Like when you say something nowadays, for example, I was just in Brazil visiting my mother. So I'm having breakfast with my mom in Sao Paulo and I hope hotel and somebody comes up to me and says, oh, my God, are you Adriana? And I'm like, yes. And my mom that, you know, she's always 80, she doesn't even know what I do and understand anything. And she's like, why is this lady coming to you? I was like, she's a fan and she's from Canada in Brazil, so. And she's of a younger generation as well. So I feel like the globalization, the diverse diversification of the fan base base, several movements that occurred in the. In the past decade, for example, like, you know, the me movements and other things does, you know, did affect and still affects the way we should relate to each other and respect each other and are less, you know, acceptable of things that in the past, people just think it's okay, you know, so smart.
- [84:09]
A
Love it. Any more questions for our girl? I want to know what's coming up.
- [84:12]
C
Like, what's left of the rest of the season.
- [84:15]
D
Well, there's some big, big, big, big, big, big, big bombs that are going to explode. The finale is going to be big.
- [84:23]
A
Are you setting them off or are you helping them? Helping defuse them?
- [84:26]
D
My God, both. It was very little with. With me on the first half of the season, but this end of the season, I come in and like, you know, bigger than. I don't know what, like, it's a. It's a hurricane. Adriana, I suppose, even though I don't like to refer to me on the third person, but I think it is so, you know, tacky to do that. But I have new songs. You know, the finale. I'm going to sing again. I'm going to drop some new songs, and I actually have one that was written by this little. For this little guy here. Yeah. So there's new songs and there's new revelations continuously being attacked by some people that can't let go of things. Like I said that, you know, beefs that have been squashed up, but they continue to bring it up and just have to. You as a fan, just have to ask yourselves why? What is the point of that? And then the reunion comes and their yona is just bombastic. That's gonna be so something.
- [85:35]
A
Well, Adriana, Deora thank you so much for gracing us with your presence. It was an absolute pleasure. Please come back. Good luck the rest of the way. And at the reunion, we're absolutely rooting for you. Excited to hear this new music you got coming out as well. And all the best. And hopefully we'll get to see you again.
- [85:50]
D
Thank you. Love to. Thank you, guys.
- [85:53]
A
Thanks so much.
- [85:54]
B
Bye. Bye.
- [85:58]
D
He's so cute.
- [86:00]
A
All right, well, that will do it for us today. Congratulations again to Taylor, Frankie Paul on being our next Bachelorette. Super excited about that. Thank you to all our guests, Danny Pellegrino and Adriana Demora. We have a big week lined up for you next week, including a special going Deeper with Jesse James Decker and her husband Eric Decker, who are on this season of Special Forces. They've also been around. They have, you know, some great music. Eric's a former professional football player. Very fascinating couple. Excited to talk with them and so much more coming at at you. Always good to see you, Susie.
- [86:35]
D
Glad to be here.
- [86:36]
B
Thanks for having me.
- [86:37]
A
And the rest of the household also says goodbye. We'll see you next week.
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C
Bye.
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A
Bye.
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B
Bye.
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