E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC

Summary

Summary of The Viall Files Podcast Episode: "Processing..."

Release Date: November 19, 2024

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

• Timestamp: 01:17
• Host Nick Viall kicks off the episode by welcoming co-hosts Erica and Scott Cortada, along with special guests Erica and Scott Cortada. The discussion begins with light-hearted banter about last names, middle names, and the complexities of aligning family names legally. They share anecdotes about their daughter River, debating her resemblance to her parents.
  • Joan: "I do want to have the same last name as my daughter."
  • Bronwyn: "I love her the way she is."

Personal Life Updates

• Timestamp: 03:00
• The conversation transitions to personal updates, including recent gatherings, food orders, and Nick’s amusing preference for Cocoa Pebbles over traditional meals.
  • Nick: "He was still full."
  • Erica: "We did Domino's too, right?"

Tyson vs. Jake Paul Fight Recap

• Timestamp: 04:40
• The hosts delve into the recent Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul fight, expressing skepticism about its authenticity. They speculate that the fight may have been scripted, citing Tyson’s age and Paul’s consistent performance issues.
  • Nick: "I have every time to watch Jake Paul get his face smashed and think..."
  • Bronwyn: "I knew, like, no weight cut."

Love is Blind Reunion Technical Issues

• Timestamp: 07:08
• Criticism is directed towards the technical difficulties faced during the "Love is Blind" live reunion, highlighting buffering and connection problems that marred the viewing experience.
  • Joan: "They were just like, oh, well, on here she was..."
  • Nick: "We have to stop with him."

Gypsy Rose and Paternity Tests

• Timestamp: 12:48
• Joan brings up Gypsy Rose releasing paternity tests to quell rumors and announces her baby’s name, Aurora. The discussion centers on the impact of public announcements and maintaining personal privacy.
  • Joan: "She finally announced and it was like, we're gonna name her baby Aurora."
  • Nick: "She was trying to shut everyone up, particularly you two."

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Drama

• Timestamp: 16:00 - 35:00
• A deep dive into the latest drama from "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," focusing on Kenya Moore and allegations of revenge porn involving another housewife. The hosts debate the legitimacy of these claims, Kenya’s responses, and the broader implications for her standing on Bravo.
  • Scott: "She's a cougar."
  • Erica: "Hindsight is always 50-50."

Joan and Chalk’s Relationship Update

• Timestamp: 44:10 - 57:09
• Special guests Joan and Chalk share updates on their blossoming relationship, discussing their first date at Disneyland, navigating public attention, and their future plans, including marriage and moving in together.
  • Chalk: "I want to be Joan's bag carrier, and I'll do the laundry and dinner."
  • Heather: "I love couples vacations."

Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion Review

• Timestamp: 57:09 - 95:00
• The hosts provide an analysis of the "Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion, dissecting interpersonal conflicts, accusations, and the behavior of key cast members like Lisa Barlow and Meredith. They explore themes of friendship, loyalty, and the portrayal of women in reality TV.
  • Nick: "Lisa just wants to see what she can get people to do for her."
  • Joan: "It's very easy to judge and speculate..."

Ongoing Drama and Future Episodes

• Timestamp: 95:00 - End
• Continued discussions on various Real Housewife storylines, including legal issues, power dynamics, and the evolving relationships among cast members. The hosts speculate on future plot developments and invite listeners to upcoming "Going Deeper" and "Reality Recap" episodes featuring new guests like Brawen Newport, Adam Ray, and Candy Muse.
  • Nick: "We have to give Jen's side some respect."
  • Scott: "It's a very strong word, abuse."

Notable Quotes

• Nick Viall (04:56): "I was really excited. I was one of the silly, naive people who thought Tyson was going to knock Jake Paul out."
• Erica (06:10): "We don't spread rumors about anyone except Jake Paul."
• Joan (12:48): "Did you hear that? Gypsy Rose, our good friend, obviously..."
• Chalk (52:37): "I am the reluctant D-lister, and I had no idea what I was getting into."
• Nick (61:05): "We're all good. There you go. See, that's wisdom, Chuck."
• Monica (86:49): "It's not relatable, and it's not the flex you think it is."

Conclusion The episode of "The Viall Files" provides a comprehensive overview of recent reality TV events, personal updates from the hosts and their guests, and in-depth discussions on the intricate dynamics within popular shows like "Real Housewives" and "Love is Blind." With engaging conversations, insightful analyses, and a touch of humor, the hosts keep listeners informed and entertained, encouraging them to stay tuned for future episodes that promise even more in-depth discussions and exclusive interviews.

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Transcript

[Nick]

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[Erica]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VOW Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick. I got the household here and we got some special guests sitting in studio. Kicking off this show, our friends Erica and Scott. What is your guys's last name?

[Scott]

Because I know.

[Joan]

Cortada.

[Bronwyn]

Okay.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

I mean, you got the first letter. All right.

[Nick]

I didn't honestly realize I haven't done. I know yours, Erica.

[Joan]

A lot of paperwork.

[Erica]

It's a lot of middle name. Did you.

[Nick]

That's her middle name.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Yeah, I love that.

[Joan]

What was the question?

[Erica]

Sorry, What?

[Bronwyn]

She. He thought I said.

[Nick]

I said I know your last name. I said over. Smart going over there.

[Scott]

Too smart.

[Erica]

Did you legally change your last name?

[Joan]

Well, I did on Instagram. I feel like that's.

[Bronwyn]

That's legal.

[Erica]

That's enough.

[Joan]

That's legal. There's a lot of day and age in my house.

[Nick]

Honestly, when it comes to, like, what matters most.

[Joan]

No, honestly, it's just so much. It's so much paperwork. But I do want to have the same last name as my daughter. That's what I said. So, like, I don't want to pick her up from school and people be like, oh my gosh, is this like the other.

[Erica]

Yeah, you're the other.

[Joan]

You know. Yikes. Like, she has. She also doesn't look like me at all. So fun, though.

[Erica]

I think she looks like you.

[Joan]

You do?

[Erica]

I.

[Joan]

And, like, what part of her, I.

[Erica]

Think when her feet are like. Can you scrunch your nose a little bit?

[Bronwyn]

There she is.

[Nick]

That's River.

[Bronwyn]

That's Riv right there. That's it.

[Erica]

There she is.

[Joan]

And that's me.

[Nick]

Do you think she doesn't look anything like you, baby?

[Joan]

I don't think she looks anything like me, but it is nice when people lie and say that she does.

[Erica]

I think she looks more like you than she does, Nick.

[Joan]

Do you think she looks more like me than she does Nick's dad?

[Nick]

Oof.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Oh, yeah. I mean, they look.

[Bronwyn]

Now that I think about it.

[Erica]

Yeah, now that I really think about it.

[Nick]

That one here.

[Bronwyn]

That one hit.

[Joan]

Yeah, I think the amount of.

[Erica]

But she looks like you. I think she looks like you.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, she definitely has.

[Joan]

For sure.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Joan]

She will eventually. Hopefully at some point in her life.

[Erica]

She still has a lot to grow. She. She has a lot of growing to do.

[Heather]

Evolving.

[Erica]

She'll change. Yeah.

[Joan]

There's hair dye out there, right? And contact lenses, right?

[Erica]

Oh, I forgot the eyes.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

I love her the way she is.

[Nick]

She has life. Brown hair, you think? Not blonde.

[Bronwyn]

He's like, as soon as it's giving, Nick. As soon as it gets wet, it gets dark.

[Joan]

It's giving. Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

It's like, close enough.

[Joan]

It's like, as soon as you put a wig on her, it's dark, right? The brown. Yeah, yeah. It's all right. Well, Scott and Erica did come over last night. After four other people canceled on them. They showed up at our front door, thank God. And we ordered so much Chinese food and played.

[Nick]

That was after I had Cocoa Pebbles too.

[Joan]

Yeah. Nick was gonna just have Cocoa Pebbles for supper.

[Erica]

He's like, I guess Chinese.

[Joan]

He's like, I got the family style box for myself.

[Nick]

Yeah. He's like, I got it just because we had company. And then I was like, I also ordered a bunch of Chinese food.

[Erica]

It was a lot of Chinese food.

[Nick]

And then since I have to have Cocoa Pebbles for dessert, I had to have another Cocoa Pebbles after the Chinese.

[Erica]

Just to balance everything out.

[Nick]

I was very full. Sweet. It's a good very. He was. I'm still full.

[Erica]

That was fine. I won Domino's. Oh, you did too, right?

[Joan]

Well, you won a game.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Joan]

You won a round.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Joan]

Domino's.

[Erica]

I won.

[Joan]

Well, actually, you might have actually won the whole Thing. I should have tallied up all the numbers. No, well, no, you had a 48 in there.

[Erica]

Yeah, yeah. Let's not talk about it.

[Nick]

I definitely won. Did you guys watch the Tyson fight?

[Bronwyn]

We did. We did with our eyes almost shut.

[Nick]

I was really excited. I was one of the silly, naive people who thought Tyson was going to knock. I. Jake Paul, really, he has played me for a fool so many times. I have, I think every time. Even before it was free on Netflix for us to stream. Well, for the people who were able to watch. I've paid every time to watch Jake Paul get his face smashed and think.

[Joan]

He really hasn't ever really got his face.

[Nick]

And I'm like, this is the time every time this is going to happen. You know when it's like these old MMA fighters, you know, who seem like, you know, only five or ten years past their prime.

[Bronwyn]

I knew, like, no weight cut.

[Nick]

They're just like, you know, he wins every time. And then Mike Tyson looked old.

[Bronwyn]

His legs.

[Erica]

Oh, his legs were stiff. I was like, oh, it looks like it hurts.

[Joan]

It did. It looked like river when I was trying to get her to walk to you last night.

[Bronwyn]

Exactly.

[Nick]

She was like.

[Bronwyn]

She's like, I don't know how to do this. We're like, Mike, you just. One foot in front of the other.

[Joan]

Foot in front of the other. Yeah, that was sad. And then there's like, allegedly, this is probably fake. You never know the Internet. But like, the script that came out, that was like, round one, this is what's gonna happen.

[Erica]

I didn't see that.

[Scott]

Doesn't that happens every time, does it? Well, allegedly, accusations, allegedly. But, like, he definitely was paid, also allegedly.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Scott]

To lose the fight. No.

[Bronwyn]

So what I heard, I think, as of this morning, was allegedly. Allegedly. Of course, of course.

[Erica]

Just want to preface, it's a legend in the contract.

[Nick]

We don't spread rumors about anyone except Jake Paul.

[Bronwyn]

All assumptions, but it was like Mike Tyson couldn't throw uppercuts the entire fight. And that's like his, like, main power move. And then also, if it didn't get to at least round seven, I think Mike would make like 1 or 2 million compared to 20 if it went to the all the rounds. That's just what the allegations are. So that makes more sense than the script.

[Joan]

Just like, yeah, that's true. You have to go all rounds and you'll get all your money.

[Bronwyn]

And I'm like. Because that kind of handcuffs that.

[Nick]

That if that's the case, that makes me really hate Jake Paul, because we all Knew that Mike Tyson being 57, 58 years old, like, if he was going to win, it was exactly. Even when Mike Tyson was in his prime, he was the guy.

[Bronwyn]

It would be a five second fight.

[Nick]

You have to win in the first five seconds because he's a pit bull. And then he kind of gets a.

[Bronwyn]

Little tired after like, or loses. It just starts biting people.

[Nick]

So if that's the case, like, you're like, you're not going to get paid all your money unless you get tired.

[Bronwyn]

Exactly. And he's like, why wouldn't I just, you know, run around the ring and make 20?

[Nick]

I also just think maybe it was.

[Erica]

Like 2 minute rounds too, right?

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, yeah, it was real quick.

[Joan]

Did you see him trip walking into the ring?

[Erica]

Oh, no, we missed the entrance.

[Nick]

Oh, we didn't actually. We. I think. I think Nelly and I were the only people. I was like, have Internet.

[Scott]

Were you watching on Netflix?

[Joan]

Yeah, we didn't have any issues. It was perfect.

[Bronwyn]

Oh, yeah, I heard there was a.

[Nick]

Lot of, like, streaming a lot of people. I had a lot of buffering problems. Netflix, I think the tally is now 2 for 4 when it comes to live events because they did a live reunion. Well, the first one was the live Love is Blind one. That was just an epic disaster. Disaster.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Both with the buffering and the connection. And then like Nick and Vanessa Lachette.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, the whole like, they, they were buffering too.

[Joan]

Didn't it also start like four hours late or. That was like, we can't figure out.

[Nick]

How to work hours. That was the Internet. That was the connection problem. And then Nick and Vanessa just kept buffering. The live part they got going.

[Joan]

They did do the Tom Brady roast.

[Nick]

That was fine. That when that seemingly went off without a hitch, then they had the. Chris Rock was live. His, like, stand up comedy was live. That seemingly went off okay. But then we had Jake, Paul and Mike Tyson not work. And apparently they have another one. When's the next one coming up? Beyonce. They're going to do Shut up. For like a super.

[Scott]

For Christmas.

[Nick]

Christmas. Oh, halftime of football game. I feel like a lot of people are gonna be watching that.

[Erica]

Yeah, everyone's gonna be watching everybody. So they better get their stuff together now.

[Nick]

I don't know if they're. They're. They're going up against the Beehive.

[Scott]

I was gonna say. Can you imagine if it lags at the halftime.

[Erica]

Oh, yikes.

[Nick]

I mean, yeah, we do know how the songs go.

[Bronwyn]

That's true.

[Erica]

I mean. Yeah, but it's all the. It's the performance. You gotta watch it.

[Joan]

It's the outfit.

[Erica]

It's everything.

[Joan]

If we wanted to listen to her, we'd probably just put her on like the Alexa, you know.

[Nick]

It's true.

[Joan]

Yeah. Partition, you know what I'm saying?

[Scott]

Wow.

[Nick]

So do we think it was real?

[Joan]

It definitely wasn't rigged. I mean, I don't think he looked.

[Nick]

I think he's old.

[Joan]

Exhausted.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I knew he was going to take it easy on him, like from the jump.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I, like, I called it before the thing. I was like, it's going to go every round and no one's going to get knocked out.

[Nick]

It seemed like Mike really didn't go. Mike Tyson?

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Even a little bit.

[Erica]

Not even his ex.

[Joan]

The biting fixation.

[Erica]

Well, allegedly. I saw some TikTok saying that that was kind of like a warning. Apparently they had just like a pact that when he would bite his glove, that that would indicate, you know, slow down to Jake Paul.

[Bronwyn]

Another, Another.

[Nick]

He was allegedly, allegedly that he was.

[Joan]

Like, I'm tired, please.

[Erica]

I am on tick tock for a long time. So.

[Joan]

Yeah, that was a tick tock civil.

[Nick]

Um, I'm done watching Jake Paul fight. Not.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Boxers in their prime.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah. Like, he's like Tommy Fury and he.

[Nick]

I'll watch that. And he lost.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, exactly.

[Nick]

Yeah. So the only actual boxer he's fought and he's lost.

[Bronwyn]

He's lost like his age, his size.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

You know, like everyone else is a UFC fighter.

[Nick]

Someone who's actually boxing.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Not someone who's decided to box for just a fight. Just to fight. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

I agree. The commentators.

[Nick]

So basically he's a loser.

[Joan]

You thought so.

[Nick]

Jake Paul's Owen one.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That's all I'm hearing.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

He's all in one.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And he takes advantage of.

[Erica]

Of people that are not in his.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Nick]

My favorite thing over the weekend was like the new announcements of Jake Paul's next fight. Oh, you know, it was. Wait.

[Erica]

Also, I didn't know he had like a docu series too, leading up to.

[Nick]

We watched that.

[Erica]

Did you?

[Joan]

We did watch that.

[Nick]

Well, anytime Mike Tyson was on, it was really good. Then it would cut to, like, Jake Paul and it would like. It was like an SNL skit.

[Bronwyn]

It honestly is.

[Erica]

I have to watch it though.

[Joan]

Yeah. The Mike Tyson part was interesting because it was like him going back to Brooklyn and him like, so cool. Playing. Yeah. Training and playing like old clips of him. And then Jake. It was him.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was. It was Mike Tyson talking about playing a game.

[Joan]

Boy.

[Nick]

Mike Tyson talking about living in extreme poverty and literally surviving. And I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say war like conditions like incredibly extraordinary extreme poverty where he was like living in filth around people taking drugs. Cut to Jake Paul his mansion when he's 13 trying to exorcise the demons of the Disney trolls as he is trying to go from Disney creator to boxer in the mental.

[Joan]

Yeah, it's like Mike Tyson getting shot at and then like YouTube, like in.

[Bronwyn]

And out of jail before 13.

[Nick]

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[Joan]

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[Nick]

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[Joan]

Did you hear that? Gypsy Rose, Our good friend, obviously.

[Erica]

Yeah, your best friend.

[Joan]

Yeah. Known her for years. She released paternity tests to shut everyone up, particularly you two. I hear you've been talking a lot. And she also reannounced her baby's name because she did say it on this podcast.

[Nick]

Well, she. Why are you mad at Gypsy for taking away the thunder from us?

[Erica]

Say it with your chest, Natalie.

[Joan]

No, I'm not mad. It's just like, people are like, oh. And she finally announced and it was like, well, on here she was like, we're gonna. We're thinking of Aurora.

[Nick]

She. Yes, exactly. Operative. We're thinking she was thinking of Aurora. And now she's like, we're gonna name her baby Aurora. Aurora.

[Erica]

How do you spell that?

[Joan]

Nick struggling.

[Erica]

Aurora. He was like, aurora.

[Joan]

R O, A, R. Like a tiger.

[Bronwyn]

Aura.

[Nick]

Aura. Aurora. Aura. Aurora.

[Joan]

Nick struggles. I do hope Ken can speak.

[Bronwyn]

I'm sorry, that was my tongue twisting.

[Joan]

Nick cannot.

[Tamra]

Oh, okay.

[Joan]

It was kind of a.

[Erica]

So did she give birth wearing tights?

[Joan]

Kind of. He's giving, like, dancer.

[Bronwyn]

Okay.

[Joan]

Peter Pan, but like fashion. Peter Pan.

[Nick]

I'm sorry.

[Joan]

No, no, no. I love it.

[Erica]

Peter Pan on broader styles.

[Joan]

There's not one crease in that song.

[Nick]

I have a gig after.

[Joan]

Nick has a gig.

[Erica]

He's booked and busy. He's booked and busy.

[Nick]

I am. Yeah. I get to. I hope I get to meet Stephen Baldwin. I think he's going to be there. Oh, okay.

[Erica]

Oh, because that's today.

[Joan]

That is today.

[Erica]

That is today.

[Joan]

Nick is. Yeah.

[Nick]

You can say they released the cast of Horses.

[Erica]

They did.

[Joan]

They did release it.

[Erica]

They did.

[Nick]

Stephen Baldwin is on the new season of it's pretty. You guys. If you're sleeping on Special Forces, you guys need to watch it.

[Erica]

It's a great show.

[Bronwyn]

Great show. No bias that our friend was in it.

[Joan]

Did you watch it?

[Nick]

Yeah, no. Season three episode and everything.

[Joan]

It's really good.

[Erica]

It's kind of better than Housewives in advance. Oh, sick.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Okay. So ruin everything.

[Nick]

No, no, no. All I want to say is you need to watch really good. Steven Ball is very entertaining. Denise Richards, she's on it also.

[Scott]

Yes, I'm watching.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, that's a good cast.

[Nick]

It's a good cast.

[Erica]

You have Brody Jenner, Christy Carlson Romano.

[Nick]

Like, Brody Jenner and Steven Baldwin are both like, are we Kardashians? Are we not Kardashians? How close are we related?

[Erica]

Trying to figure it out.

[Nick]

They're like. They're so. They're kart dancing adjacent. Yeah, they're so funny. They're, like connected, but also exiled.

[Joan]

It's also so funny to watch someone explain, like, why normal people should know who they are. You know, it's like if someone comes up to you, like, why should I know you? Are you famous? Like, you have to then explain.

[Bronwyn]

That's always.

[Joan]

And what would you say? Yeah, and what?

[Erica]

The sister of the cousin and then the brother of that I'm related to that side of the.

[Joan]

Do you feel like you would say, like, your TikTok famous?

[Erica]

Yeah. I mean, it's the easiest thing.

[Joan]

It's just easy.

[Erica]

It's pathetic. But it is the easiest way to describe it, honestly.

[Joan]

Do you then hand out your handle to get them to.

[Erica]

I'd be like, yeah, but I'm working on it. Like, I definitely. I don't want to see online forever. I definitely want to act like that's the end goal. But, you know, I started and I'm super grateful. Super grateful. I am. Yeah, it's.

[Nick]

You really have it down.

[Scott]

She's done.

[Bronwyn]

She's done this before.

[Erica]

I've had to explain myself plenty times.

[Scott]

Trista Sutter also is the Bachelorette.

[Joan]

Yes, Trista, thank you.

[Scott]

She's the original.

[Nick]

Allie Fatotowski is also on it for all the Bachelor fans. Who else? Who else is on the cast? Since we're just, like, naming the cast.

[Scott]

Jordan Webber. Golden Tate.

[Nick]

Golden Tate.

[Bronwyn]

Golden Tate.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Scott]

Chrissy Carlson Romano.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Scott]

Kyla Pratt. Oh, Kayla Nicole.

[Nick]

Kyla Pratt.

[Bronwyn]

Kyla Pratt was. What show was she in?

[Scott]

Proud family. One on one in Call Me Dad.

[Bronwyn]

You're right.

[Erica]

I did recognize Kayla.

[Joan]

Nicole is Travis Kelsey's ex girlfriend, right?

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Whoa.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Cam Newton.

[Bronwyn]

Cam Newton. Another good football player.

[Scott]

Marion Jones.

[Nick]

Mar Jones.

[Scott]

Mar Jones. You said Brody Jenner.

[Nick]

Carrie Hart, bicyclist, motorbike guy.

[Erica]

Oh, sick.

[Bronwyn]

Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Landon Donovan, soccer player Alana Blanchard. And then Stephen Baldwin star Nathan Adrian.

[Bronwyn]

They got some athletes.

[Nick]

Movie actor as he describes himself. What?

[Erica]

Did you watch all that?

[Nick]

I just watched the first one.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Joan]

And the first episode is giving, like, better than Real Housewives of New York.

[Nick]

Whoa.

[Scott]

Well, that's not much to compare it to.

[Joan]

Well, it's just like the whole.

[Nick]

I was. I watched it twice. No, three times.

[Joan]

Three times.

[Nick]

I've watched it three times. And thoroughly entertained by Steve.

[Erica]

Really?

[Bronwyn]

Whoa.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Bronwyn]

Oh, I'm hyped.

[Joan]

Did you see Francesca Fargo and Jesse Sullivan had their twins?

[Erica]

I did. And Denise.

[Joan]

Yes.

[Erica]

Cute. I like locket.

[Scott]

Me too. You like?

[Nick]

What are the names?

[Bronwyn]

I was just guessing. I. I don't even really.

[Joan]

Locket and Poetry.

[Bronwyn]

Okay.

[Joan]

Remember, they were like. Like, hinting around names that they loved, and Afternoon was on that list. Afternoon. They were like, I don't know if I want to share this because we might use it. So I don't know if I want to let you guys. But it's afternoon, and all the comments were like, you know what?

[Bronwyn]

Me too.

[Joan]

You can keep it.

[Erica]

I'm a morning person, so I never know if those are real or not. Like, if they're being serious.

[Nick]

Lockett.

[Erica]

Well, afternoon is insane, but I think Lockett is poetry.

[Joan]

And locket are sweet. Yeah.

[Erica]

I don't know about.

[Bronwyn]

Well, you know, I always try to think of like. Like, nicknames. Like, what are they gonna Lock and po.

[Nick]

Lock.

[Erica]

Lock and po.

[Joan]

Lock is kind of cool.

[Bronwyn]

I kind of do.

[Nick]

Like, oh, maybe.

[Joan]

But her poetry's middle name is Lucy.

[Nick]

Imagine dating someone they could go by whose name is poetry, and you're mad at them. You're fighting. Poetry.

[Erica]

Slam poetry.

[Bronwyn]

You're going through a break and be like, I wrote you a poem. Leave me alone.

[Joan]

I will say, watching her, like, it's just making me want another. I want to, like, be back in the newborn bliss.

[Erica]

I did see you post about that recently.

[Joan]

Close friends.

[Erica]

Well, it's out now.

[Bronwyn]

Well, now it's everybody.

[Erica]

You want another baby? How many babies do you want?

[Joan]

You guys, I think we talked about this.

[Nick]

Whoa.

[Joan]

My God.

[Bronwyn]

I think four. And then you were like, we'll push her.

[Joan]

We'll see if I need it. The fifth comes later. Yeah, I think, you know, we'll definitely see how the second goes around. Second round. But I definitely want a lot, I think. And I'd love to adopt some. I'd love to, like, foster some.

[Nick]

Sounds like a herd.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah. Foster couple.

[Nick]

Just throw three or four of those in there.

[Bronwyn]

We'll open a farm and just, you.

[Erica]

Know, I do want to open a daycare, so.

[Joan]

Yes.

[Erica]

Oh, that's later down the road.

[Joan]

We'll see.

[Erica]

Okay, we'll see.

[Joan]

But I am, like, every time someone has a baby, I'm like, I could do that again.

[Bronwyn]

Wow.

[Nick]

Charlie X or Jelly Roll?

[Erica]

I mean, I don't really know Jelly Roll that way. The transition was insane, by the way.

[Nick]

I didn't even transition Jelly Roll or Charlie.

[Erica]

I've never heard any of his music.

[Bronwyn]

I know. I know. Like, everyone, like, really.

[Erica]

And I like his vibe, too. I like his vibe. I've never heard it, but I went to a Charlie XCX concert.

[Scott]

Oh, was it Brat or Sweat?

[Erica]

It was Sweat. And Troy is also fantastic. I felt like. Well, like an old fart there. Everyone was jumping.

[Nick]

You don't want to jump.

[Joan]

Tired.

[Bronwyn]

Bad knees. Bad knees.

[Nick]

I think I would have even jumped at a Charlie.

[Erica]

No, no, but I mean, it was fantastic. That's not.

[Joan]

That's not.

[Scott]

Well, she was part of it. I caught up.

[Nick]

Okay. She sings that song.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Okay.

[Scott]

I'm sorry.

[Erica]

Wait, what?

[Joan]

Wait, could you sing it again?

[Bronwyn]

Just go ahead and apologize real quick.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Thank you.

[Bronwyn]

Wait, just a real quick apology?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Wait, no.

[Joan]

All right.

[Erica]

What song are we singing? I don't care. I love it. You're lying.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Erica]

We all know she did, like, a remix of that.

[Scott]

I think she's part of it.

[Nick]

She's part of the OG song.

[Erica]

Wait, didn't that song come out in, like, I don't know, 2003?

[Bronwyn]

If she is. That makes so much sense.

[Scott]

I love it. As icon of featuring Charlie X Y. Wow.

[Nick]

Sarah.

[Erica]

Sorry, Nick, you taught me something. You just put me on.

[Bronwyn]

I'm not hearing sorry from you guys.

[Joan]

We are.

[Scott]

Wow.

[Erica]

I am sorry.

[Joan]

No, we are, the more you know. Apparently he asked that question because Jelly Roll reveals in a new interview with Pat McAfee that Charlie XCX and her team allegedly.

[Nick]

These are.

[Joan]

These are manufactured 40,000 album sales in an attempt to secure the number one spot on Billboard 200.

[Bronwyn]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Nick]

Called her a cheater.

[Joan]

Luminate later dismissed the sales, awarding Jelly roll the number one spot on Billboard 200 for the 161,000.

[Bronwyn]

So he exposed it himself. Jelly Roll said it.

[Nick]

He was like, yeah, this chick had been cheating. Wow.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Shut up.

[Joan]

He's like, so she faked that and it's actually supposed to be me, man.

[Erica]

I'm actually shocked.

[Joan]

Right?

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I feel like that she had to cheat. Yeah, exactly.

[Bronwyn]

But also, I know that he has a very, like, big, dedicated fan base. Like, people love him.

[Joan]

And a lot of his songs have been, like, really popping off lately, but.

[Erica]

Haven'T heard a single one.

[Scott]

I was gonna say. I don't know what.

[Erica]

They did ask me to go to his concert, like, three times. I was like, I'm good.

[Joan]

Three times.

[Erica]

Well, I like to give other people the spot, like, if they. If they actually know the music.

[Bronwyn]

I do. Yeah.

[Erica]

I did that once with Taylor Swift, actually. Or was it Beyonce?

[Nick]

Huh?

[Erica]

One of the two. I was like, you know what?

[Bronwyn]

I think it was Taylor Swift.

[Erica]

I was like, give it to someone that, like, you know, tread lightly. That cares.

[Joan]

Tread lightly.

[Erica]

Okay, we cut that.

[Nick]

Can we.

[Bronwyn]

Allegations. It's just allegedly.

[Joan]

Yeah, allegedly.

[Erica]

Erica Hay Swift. Allegedly.

[Joan]

Allegedly.

[Erica]

That's a rumor. That's a rumor. Let's move on, guys.

[Bronwyn]

It's all music based.

[Scott]

Did you see Brianna Chicken Fry LaPaglia might be dating someone new.

[Joan]

I don't think she's dating someone new. I think she's having fun. She was. She just posted a TikTok of, like, her. It's like New York City sunsets, and she's, like, cozying up with a new man. He's got, like, his arms around her. They're giggling, they're laughing. And someone was like, that was fast. And she responded like, well, I was being cheated on the whole time. So is it really fast?

[Erica]

Doesn't she have a history? Like, all good for her. She does have a history, though. She says it. That she, like, jumps from, like, very fast. She's a relationship girl.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, she is a relationship. Was like. She, like, basically gets into the new relationship while in that.

[Erica]

Oh, that's. That was alleged.

[Bronwyn]

She said it. I'm not if I'm making that wrong.

[Erica]

Oh, it was a podcast with Theo.

[Bronwyn]

Vaughn, I think she.

[Joan]

With the ovaughn.

[Erica]

And she was like, overlapping. She's like, it overlaps. My relationships overlap. Yeah, I like her too.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, she's a cool, real girl.

[Erica]

And so that was the Ovon. He's like, that is cheating. She's like, I call it overlap.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's. That's exactly the clip I heard. I'm glad I didn't make that up.

[Nick]

Because that's a real clip that exists.

[Erica]

That is a real clip that exists.

[Bronwyn]

Exactly. But she's super cool.

[Nick]

No, we had her on the show. She was lovely.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah. This whole situation is. I can't believe that man thinks he is who he is. Because that is crazy.

[Joan]

I mean, hasn't said a word. Just is posting like.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, I don't.

[Erica]

How tall is he?

[Nick]

Not.

[Bronwyn]

Not tall enough.

[Erica]

Do we know?

[Joan]

Five, three.

[Erica]

I need a check just because.

[Bronwyn]

Whatever. On the Internet, take 2 inches.

[Scott]

I was going to say.

[Nick]

What does it say on the Internet, take 2 inches. How tall are you?

[Bronwyn]

I'm 5 8.

[Joan]

Felt.

[Bronwyn]

No shoes.

[Monica]

Rude with shoes.

[Bronwyn]

Scott, let's 5 9. But if I was famous, I'm 510 on the Internet. That's what I'm saying.

[Nick]

Scott is insecure.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah. I have no problem saying. But if I was famous on the Internet, he was 5 10.

[Erica]

Easy 5 10.

[Nick]

Yeah, you would.

[Bronwyn]

It's like basketball players, you know.

[Scott]

Well, ZACH Bryan is 5 10.

[Nick]

According to the 8, he's 57 for sure.

[Bronwyn]

That's the only respect I got for.

[Erica]

Yeah, he added three.

[Bronwyn]

I'm adding up a little bit.

[Erica]

Okay. No, that was.

[Nick]

You're taller than Zach Brian.

[Bronwyn]

I believe so. With my whole heart.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Give me some cowboy boots next to Zach Bryan on some cowboy boots on my bottom.

[Erica]

That is true.

[Joan]

Does he wear boots? He doesn't consider himself country, so I don't know. He's like, find it very offensive to call him country.

[Bronwyn]

Wow.

[Erica]

Okay. Well, he's whack and he's corny and I'm.

[Scott]

He gives short energy.

[Bronwyn]

He does.

[Scott]

Yeah, he does.

[Joan]

She did recently say that she was like kind of throwing out the idea of maybe posting a video that she has of him abusing her.

[Bronwyn]

Whoa. Oh, yeah. Throwing stuff.

[Nick]

Why is she teasing it like.

[Erica]

Like promo?

[Nick]

Yeah. Why is she hyping it like a Jake Paul fight?

[Monica]

It was because she was upset because he kept posting about the cat that he took. He like, took the animals and whatnot. She was like, post my cat one more time and I'll post. Use sideswiping something at my face.

[Bronwyn]

Okay. I like that.

[Joan]

Yeah. It is crazy because he has never got it.

[Nick]

Show it. But if he has never. Just don't weaponize it.

[Scott]

That's her cat, though.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Nick]

What is.

[Joan]

He has never posted this cat ever once before. Not once has he posted this cat. He has a cat and a dog, the brown Labrador that he posts all the time. And I guess they got this cat together. Whatever.

[Scott]

Well, Brianna. Brianna rescue the cat from the streets. So it's like her emotional connection with.

[Joan]

The cat and he has the cat and now all of a sudden. All of a sudden this ca. Is all over social media the second that she. I miss my abuse thing.

[Erica]

Like.

[Joan]

Yeah, they're like. Just to let you know, it still happens.

[Erica]

Yeah, that's.

[Bronwyn]

That poor cat. Because, you know, on the other side.

[Erica]

Yeah, that cat's not around.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

That cat been seeing some.

[Nick]

Oh, no.

[Erica]

I hope she gets her cat.

[Joan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Free that cat, Zach. Get that cat back.

[Joan]

That's crazy. And free the video. Put him on blast. You know what I'm saying?

[Erica]

Honestly, if that's going to help her, I just. I at this point, worry for her.

[Nick]

Put it all out there.

[Joan]

I also feel like so many people are still doubting her and she's at a point where she's like, I don't give a anymore. Like, here is everything.

[Erica]

Like, yeah.

[Bronwyn]

All that makes so much sense, too. It does, it does. Like, no, I don't think anyone heard.

[Nick]

It was like, put it all out there instead of just teasing.

[Bronwyn]

She is right.

[Scott]

Like, she kind of is. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. Well, kind of. But not just.

[Bronwyn]

Not actually. Not videos, which she got to get them out.

[Erica]

Yikes. Well, a lot of people do have her back regardless.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Which is so cool, I think.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

It was good to see the surprise.

[Erica]

Like, Dave.

[Nick]

And honestly, really, all you really need is Dave.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, when Dave partner's got your back.

[Bronwyn]

As soon as he gets that Ace of Spades bottle in grade, it's over. Yeah, it's over. Once he got that name on that bottle, it's over.

[Joan]

He does that for all of his, like, enemies or something.

[Bronwyn]

Anyone who let you. Basically, it's. It's mostly towards, like, journalists who go against barstool or something like that. Like Deadspin and like a couple other. So when they get fired or the company gets bought out or it goes in bankruptcy, he'll, like, pop the bottle.

[Erica]

That's funny.

[Bronwyn]

There's a couple people, like, personal connections he does it with.

[Joan]

So did y'all watch Love is Blind this season?

[Erica]

No, I didn't.

[Joan]

I Feel like you typically do.

[Erica]

I typically do. And I heard that this season was entertaining.

[Nick]

Yeah, it was.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I think I started. I don't know why I'm yelling. I think I started. I think I watched the first, like, two episodes. But the first half of the show, like, the dating thing is so boring and dragged out sometimes. So I think that's why I gave up. I should have kept going. I heard it's good. Any tea? Any drama?

[Joan]

Do you saw Britney? If you watch the Beginning? She was with the art dealer.

[Scott]

She's the, like, sugar baby.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Esthetician.

[Joan]

What's going on? Was at a, like, Mod sun show, and he was like, is that the Love Is Blind girls? And, like, called him out. And then they were seen, like, leaving a restaurant, like, cozy. Like, like, talking to she's around his arms.

[Scott]

The paparazzi over the weekend.

[Nick]

It was like, whoa, got a new celebrity. Like a new couple alert.

[Erica]

Wait, and were they not. Did they not end up coupling?

[Bronwyn]

He's a artist.

[Nick]

Are you talking about that?

[Erica]

Sorry.

[Scott]

Well, she came out single.

[Erica]

She came out single. Okay. That's what I mean. Okay.

[Nick]

But did she.

[Scott]

But did she. So basically, it's coming out that she's had a boyfriend for, I think it's four years. And she went on Love Is Blind to, like, get brand deals and, like, publicize herself as they do. And then he dropped her off at the airport for, like, an LA trip to hang out with alumni. And then now she's photographed with lots of sources.

[Nick]

Tell TMZ that Britney has a whole BF on the East Coast. A hunk named Rocky Hawkins.

[Joan]

Whoa, what a name for a cool name. What a name.

[Nick]

Can we have a Do it? Is there a picture of hockey? Rocky?

[Bronwyn]

Rocky Hawkins sounds like a high school job. Like a quarterback in a movie with the letterman jacket on.

[Erica]

Wait, that's always so interesting to me when couples decide that. It's like, okay.

[Nick]

They're like, this kind of tracks, though. But she seems to have a roster.

[Bronwyn]

There's Rock.

[Nick]

She's a fuck.

[Erica]

Is that Rocky?

[Nick]

She's a boy.

[Joan]

That's Rocky.

[Erica]

Oh, no.

[Nick]

Is Rocky putting her on blast?

[Joan]

Rocky. You know, the sources are saying that Rocky's an absolute shock, and he is. And he's sharing that feeling with their entire friend group.

[Scott]

Well, he dropped her off at the airport for this trip, and then she was photographed, so I'd be shocked, too.

[Bronwyn]

I would be.

[Scott]

Right.

[Bronwyn]

Insane.

[Nick]

And then. And then. Who's the guy? She's Mod Son.

[Scott]

He's gonna get a picture of him. He's a musician.

[Nick]

Well, he definitely not given wrong.

[Scott]

Definitely doesn't look like he was dating Avril Lavigne before.

[Nick]

Yeah. Okay.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Nick]

I don't feel like that works for men. Like, it seems to work for women. Oh, yep.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, that. That.

[Erica]

What are those other. With the purple shirt?

[Nick]

No, yeah, the purple. That. That's scary.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Yeah, that's him.

[Scott]

He's kind of grungy.

[Nick]

I just feel like. Scotty, would you agree that, like, if you were, you know, you're married.

[Bronwyn]

No.

[Nick]

And all in love and shit, but, like, in your single days.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If you found out a lady.

[Joan]

I remember him.

[Nick]

You found out a lady that you were into dated some, like, celebrity, would you go, oh, like. Or would you be like.

[Bronwyn]

Okay, I don't think it would intrigue me.

[Nick]

I think it would kind of feel like it doesn't.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, it would kind of push me away a little bit just because I'm like, okay. It's such a big personality. People, like, associate them, and then maybe I'm just this normal.

[Nick]

We don't get hyped up by your exes. Yeah.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you guys. I feel like y'all sometimes get a little excited about their previous roster.

[Bronwyn]

Who's eyes changed?

[Nick]

The ladies. Yeah. Sorry.

[Joan]

What?

[Nick]

I think. Yeah, it's like sometimes you get a little impressed about who their exes might be.

[Joan]

Definitely not.

[Erica]

I mean, not impressed. But we investigate for sure.

[Joan]

We're definitely FBI agents in Nancy Drew 100.

[Nick]

But if you found out that I dated someone less attractive.

[Scott]

Oh, are you saying Britney might be doing this?

[Joan]

They all are. What?

[Nick]

All right, you know what? Yeah.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

I mean, you're like, what do women do?

[Nick]

What do we do? What do we do?

[Joan]

No, I'm just. I think. I just don't.

[Nick]

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, Scott? No, no.

[Bronwyn]

100. I get you.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I think maybe on that side. I. I don't. I don't know if it's, like, impressive. I think.

[Nick]

I just think you will investigate who we date and you will have a strong opinion about it.

[Erica]

We. I could agree.

[Nick]

Not sure.

[Erica]

Yes. I could agree with that.

[Nick]

Yeah. We don't have an opinion whatsoever about your. Really?

[Joan]

Okay.

[Erica]

Is that true?

[Joan]

Is that true?

[Nick]

Well, unless they. Unless they show up in our new relationship. Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

I mean, if Ava's like, who was that about? Now I'm thinking, because I'm like, like.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

No, not at all.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Joan]

Okay.

[Nick]

Unless it's like, who is John and why does he keep calling you?

[Bronwyn]

Exactly.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Erica]

No, of Course.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Joan]

I mean, I don't think impressed is the right word. Should have.

[Erica]

But I do care.

[Nick]

Yeah, you care.

[Erica]

But I care.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Erica]

No, 100%.

[Bronwyn]

Just word it wrong.

[Erica]

I care.

[Nick]

I worded it wrong. Y. Yeah. I can't speak. Okay.

[Scott]

The other thing about the Britney situation is she's also allegedly part of like the Perfect Match cast. So she went on. So she went on two shows and might be possibly having this boyfriend.

[Nick]

It's not a boyfriend. Rocky is there.

[Scott]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

They have an understanding. I don't know if they're on the same page. I don't know if the understanding is consistent. She's the fuckboy in the relationship.

[Scott]

She's a fucking.

[Joan]

This was the plan.

[Nick]

She's a fuck boy.

[Bronwyn]

No, it wasn't.

[Erica]

She was the one that they didn't even make it to, like the.

[Nick]

No.

[Erica]

Like they didn't even leave the resort or something.

[Nick]

Right. They got engaged and then the creators of the show were like, you guys are full of shit.

[Erica]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Bronwyn]

Wow.

[Erica]

So I know who she is. Yes.

[Monica]

Yep.

[Erica]

Yikes.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Nick]

No, she's the fuck boy. Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

So is she like the big. She's the big topic this season?

[Nick]

Not really.

[Joan]

No.

[Nick]

They won't go away. Honestly, if I'm being. Yeah. Leo and her, they seem lovely and nice and. But like, they won't go away. They're like, they're. They're still in the news for news that they seem to be creating like, you know, being seen at a concert with the.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Kind of famous.

[Erica]

Oh, they're loving it.

[Nick]

Yeah. And he's like making, you know, he's, you know, they're making.

[Erica]

They're just milking it.

[Nick]

They're making their own ooze. So like, you know, good for. For good for them. We're talking about it.

[Erica]

Yeah, of course. It's done. Right. That season is. It's over.

[Nick]

Long gone.

[Joan]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott]

Nick, do you think Teddi Mellencamp is milking her situation?

[Nick]

She is handling it. Not in a way I would.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Well, so for context, for the people listening. So Teddy's from Beverly Hills.

[Nick]

She was a housewife, daughter of John Mellencamp.

[Scott]

Cougar.

[Chalk]

Cougar.

[Nick]

Oh, cougar.

[Erica]

No idea.

[Scott]

So a source told Daily Mail that the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills alum and her German born horse trainer Simon had a months long love affair behind their spouse's back.

[Nick]

Not to be confused with the actual horse. The horse trainer.

[Scott]

The horse trainer. And for details, for context of this. The horse trainer.

[Bronwyn]

The horse.

[Joan]

Got it. Yeah.

[Scott]

For context.

[Nick]

So she wasn't the horse.

[Scott]

The horse trainer missed. Imagine.

[Joan]

We got it.

[Scott]

The horse trainer missed his wife giving birth because he was in Florida cheating on her with Teddy. The house.

[Nick]

Is that. Is that. Can we stop saying alleged at this point?

[Bronwyn]

Well, he definitely missed the birth if they.

[Scott]

I mean, a lot of rumor. Ea the reason. I mean, we could still say alleged because Teddy is also on her side saying there's two sides of every story. And I mean, she also posted a selfie. 20.

[Nick]

We know when the kid was born and where he was.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Joan]

Not there's like Instagram posts of him like. Like August 9th.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

The kid does have a birthday and.

[Erica]

Being like, yeah, you can't make that up.

[Scott]

There was a horse event that happened, like in the summer, and like, the horse community, I guess, is small, and there was a confrontation that everybody saw, but it's just now coming out that there was an affair.

[Bronwyn]

Whoa.

[Joan]

And what has Teddi said?

[Nick]

She's posting quotes.

[Scott]

Yeah, well, two weeks ago, she posted the divorce post saying, we're separating. I want to get ahead of it. So specific words. And I'm prioritizing my children. 20 hours after, like, this news came out, she posted a selfie saying, when you're being pushed into the shadows, always find your light. Comments were disabled. And then she went on her podcast and then said, essentially, there's two sides to every story. I'm gonna prioritize my children.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, yeah. It's a good way to go.

[Scott]

And then there is a paparazzi kind of, like, staged photo of, like, Edwin, her husband, comforting her on, like, the side.

[Nick]

How do we know what a stage? Can we see the photo?

[Scott]

It's giving stage.

[Erica]

Oh, no.

[Joan]

But also, it is her husband, or I guess, soon to be ex husband, who she was cheating on. So it's like, well, why would he.

[Erica]

Be comforting, you know?

[Joan]

Yeah, they. They seem to be like, fine.

[Nick]

Who knows? I mean, these are messy situations that, you know. But it's more about the stage. I think we can let's.

[Bronwyn]

The horse trainer is a. A unique pick. I always. I kind of get the personal trainer thing. You guys are like, you know, but, yeah, you see a guy, like, training a horse and you're like, that's the one. It's just a little.

[Erica]

I guess it's just the time you spend with them.

[Bronwyn]

I don't know, the tennis instructor. The personal trainer makes a tennis trainer.

[Nick]

If your spouse is hanging out with a male trainer.

[Erica]

Allegedly.

[Bronwyn]

Oh, and Cassie.

[Erica]

Yeah, oh, Cassie.

[Bronwyn]

Also Cassie with Diddy. They had a kid her personal trainer.

[Erica]

It was her personal trainer.

[Bronwyn]

I love that relationship, by the way.

[Nick]

Those personal trainers.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

I think it's just a. It's a closer relation where if, like, you are looking to cheat feet. It's like, you know, they're like, stretching, rushing a horse. And, like, it's like a little. What are we doing?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Joan]

The horseshit is not, like, turning anyone on. So that one, I'm like, that is wild.

[Scott]

We're searching. I can't find it.

[Erica]

Maybe she swiped it off.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Maybe they.

[Scott]

It was everywhere before cleansed it.

[Erica]

Interesting.

[Nick]

Doesn't have that much power.

[Joan]

You don't think. What, like. What if her dad got involved? The cougar, like, get this off.

[Bronwyn]

The cougar.

[Scott]

Yeah. I don't know. Can't find it.

[Nick]

Damn.

[Bronwyn]

She scrubbed it.

[Joan]

Wow.

[Scott]

There was a horse event that happened this weekend, though, in Las Vegas, and the ex wife was there, and Teddy was there. The ex wife still had her ring.

[Nick]

On, and Teddy went and just.

[Scott]

And she. In the picture, she's kind of, like, looking to the side, which, I mean, she could have been looking at anything.

[Joan]

But also, people are saying she was looking at her.

[Scott]

Yeah. Or they were in the same room after all this news broke.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, it definitely gives. Teddy's doesn't care about this story going away. Right. I mean.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If you're being alleged to have an affair with your trainer, who allegedly also just had a baby recently, and there's a horse event. I mean, I know she's like, I gotta be at the event. I guess my horse is showing. Gotta be there.

[Joan]

Gotta. Can't watch it on tv.

[Nick]

But, like. Right.

[Erica]

Oh, there it is.

[Nick]

You show up to a public event, you know, obviously you're gonna be.

[Joan]

She's just standing on the side of the road with her luggage.

[Scott]

One. He's, like, kissing.

[Erica]

He's kissing the side of her head.

[Bronwyn]

Whoa.

[Joan]

Oh. So is that. That's her, like, moving out? Yeah, this is.

[Erica]

They're trying to pack.

[Joan]

That's it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Joan]

She's not gonna be gone for long.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, exactly.

[Erica]

I'll be back.

[Nick]

Well, she's going to Vegas maybe.

[Erica]

Oh, she's going.

[Bronwyn]

She's just got a saddle in there. Just one big. Just one big saddle and some.

[Joan]

One big saddle and some stirrups and she's, you know.

[Nick]

Oh, my God. Do you think there's any way they had, like, a. A open relationship gone bad?

[Scott]

I mean, I know there's. I know there are, like, allegations and rumors spreading of, like, Edwin possibly also having an affair. Yeah.

[Erica]

How Long were they married?

[Scott]

For a while.

[Joan]

They have, like three children.

[Nick]

I mean, listen. But that's the thing. It's just like pop off. If you guys have an understanding that got a little out of control, but, like, other kids are involved.

[Joan]

Yeah. The. The missing. The. Your son, your kid's son, daughter's.

[Scott]

The birth.

[Joan]

The birth, like.

[Erica]

Yeah. That's wild. Oh, you can't come back from that.

[Joan]

You can't.

[Nick]

That's a choice.

[Joan]

You chose like. Like, whether they have an open relationship or not. It's like you chose that over your.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah. And even if it's like, no, I gotta go train this horse, it's like, no, am I. Your kid's being born.

[Nick]

She definitely out.

[Bronwyn]

No cheating. Who?

[Joan]

Teddy?

[Nick]

Yeah. Do we know what the event was?

[Scott]

I do.

[Nick]

Was it. You do?

[Scott]

It was the Las Vegas National Horse Show.

[Nick]

H. Did we know if Teddy's horse. Does Teddy have a horse? Why was Teddy there?

[Scott]

She has a horse, but I have no clue.

[Erica]

What did she win? Did any. Do they place?

[Nick]

Why was she there? Why did she have that good.

[Joan]

Or the day that all of this.

[Monica]

Came out, the day after she posted a video saying, well, at least, like, my horse won third place or something. So she still following the day after.

[Joan]

My horse won third place.

[Scott]

At least she's indirectly, like, referencing, I.

[Nick]

Gotta say, your horse taking third. Would it make me feel.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, I mean, I need that out.

[Joan]

Of how many, though.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Monica]

How many horses are there?

[Erica]

Five?

[Joan]

Or was there hundreds?

[Erica]

Right, right. Because then that would matter.

[Nick]

That definitely helps with the home wrecking accusations.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah. She should have got a different horse trainer, to be honest.

[Erica]

She should set this one out like the rest of them.

[Scott]

Kenya Moore, also switching gears, has addressed the revenge porn.

[Nick]

Oh, that.

[Scott]

Well, I mean. Okay, I'll say what she said.

[Joan]

Did you hear about this?

[Nick]

I don't think so.

[Scott]

Kenya Moore, she was.

[Joan]

Oh, do I know Real Housewives of Atlanta?

[Erica]

I know she was Miss usa.

[Scott]

She won it in the past. She's like, Miss usa. She was like a classy housewife. And then this past season that they were filming until something came out. Well, we knew at the time, this past season, she was removed from the cast halfway through because there was. There was revenge porn of another housewife at her event.

[Bronwyn]

Whoa.

[Scott]

So when that happened, we just know that, like, she wasn't on the cast anymore. And there were, like, allegations of revenge.

[Nick]

Nudes of another person were being distributed.

[Scott]

At an event on posters, posters, posters.

[Nick]

And hear her listen to her excuse.

[Scott]

So she came out and I did the tldr for us, she was not fired. She's still under contract, and she still receives checks from Bravo. She was never under suspicion of revenge porn from the network. And then what she said happened was things took a dark turn towards her. The young lady who's the other housewife took off her mic, screamed at her, and Kenya felt threatened.

[Nick]

Oh, Kenya's a victim.

[Scott]

She told producers she was concerned. She then didn't think they were doing enough. So she took matters into her own hands to find a receipt. And she said, like, housewives are known for the receipt. So she did her research, and she said with a quick, like, Google search, she found these videos that are allegedly her, the other housewife. And at her salon, she pulled up the receipts. She assumed it would be blurred out by the network, and she was not only protecting herself, but her child. And then she basically said, Hindsight is always 50, 50. If I could do it all over a day.

[Nick]

I don't think that's the saying. Which is hilarious about 50 50. Because in hindsight, honestly, it depends on whose story you want to listen to. Hindsight's 50 50. Like, you want to listen to my bullshit story or the truth? Like, 50, 50. It could really. It could go either way.

[Joan]

Does the woman who's nudes. It was children?

[Scott]

I think so. Yeah.

[Joan]

So it's like she's protecting her own children, but not.

[Bronwyn]

Is there also, like, a legal case against her? I feel like.

[Scott]

Well, so she was saying, like, there was not no actual, like, investigation against me. It's just people.

[Nick]

No, no. She said that Bravo wasn't in looking into her for revenge porn. And then she basically was like, even though I distributed it to people in life, in the world, Bravo decided not to distribute it to their audience. And therefore, I'm good. Good. And I don't think that works that way.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, she going to get.

[Scott]

I mean, well, the people at the event would have still seen the.

[Nick]

She also. She also admitted to doing it in her denial.

[Bronwyn]

It's like defamation.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Yikes. Wait, do they have existing beef?

[Scott]

So this is the housewife that she had the alleged revenge porn of. Like, she's a new housewife. So they brought in new people. She was younger.

[Erica]

Oh, jealous.

[Scott]

And I guess she chose to go up against one of the OG Housewives. And I. From what I remember, like, what the new house life was doing was saying that, like, Kenya had a gun and, like, owns weapons.

[Erica]

Oh, my.

[Joan]

This is, like, crazy.

[Scott]

Yeah, there was a couple. There was a lot of beef that happened. So then Kenya just escalated it with the Photos. Yeah.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

Who's the. Do we know the other girl's name?

[Scott]

Brittany. Edie.

[Bronwyn]

Brittany.

[Joan]

Brittany.

[Erica]

Yikes.

[Bronwyn]

Heard a little bit about this.

[Joan]

Really wild hindsight. 50. 50.

[Bronwyn]

That is the funniest thing.

[Joan]

It's like 127. She's like, you know, 127.

[Bronwyn]

In hindsight, you know, I would still maybe do it again.

[Nick]

Half.

[Bronwyn]

Half I would, half I wouldn't. She just said instead of being like, I would never.

[Nick]

What happened? Well, it's all about hindsight. It's 50. 50. Like, which story do you want to hear?

[Erica]

That's wild. Yeah, the backstory there, too.

[Bronwyn]

She's going to get sued.

[Erica]

Yikes.

[Bronwyn]

That's a bad one.

[Scott]

I mean, she didn't mention Britney's name in her accountability interview. No, she just said like, the other woman, the young lady. So I'm sure there's some legal thing attached to that.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Erica]

That's awful.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Erica]

When stuff like that happens.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Joan]

Has that ever happened to you?

[Scott]

No.

[Erica]

Oh, no.

[Joan]

No one's ever been like, I'm gonna.

[Erica]

I'm gonna.

[Bronwyn]

No, not yet.

[Erica]

Well, now that you mention it.

[Bronwyn]

Well, just stay. Just stay good.

[Erica]

Hopefully we're together forever.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, right. She would. I would have the craziest stuff come out. Where'd you even get those pictures? This is the, like, what the hell?

[Nick]

You're Scott pooping.

[Bronwyn]

Hindsight's 50.

[Joan]

50.

[Scott]

I'll do it again.

[Bronwyn]

I don't care. I'll do it again.

[Erica]

That's wild. Oh, that's always awful, though.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Bronwyn]

No, that's fucked up. Anytime you're naked on the Internet, if you don't want it, you don't want.

[Joan]

To be naked on the Internet.

[Nick]

Well, it's good to see you guys always. Yeah. Thank you.

[Bronwyn]

Thanks for having us.

[Nick]

Next we got Joan and her sexy new man chalk to talk about their love affair. And then when we come back from that, we'll be breaking down the Real Housewives of O.C. reunion Part 2. And Salt Lake City Quint is the.

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[Joan]

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[Joan]

Joan, how are you? We miss you.

[Scott]

Hello.

[Heather]

It's been a while.

[Joan]

It has.

[Nick]

Chalk, I just want to say congratulations, man. I. I've been rooting for you since night one.

[Chalk]

I. I saw that. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[Nick]

I did. I was like, there's something. This Chalk guy, I don't know. He seems like a good one.

[Heather]

He is.

[Nick]

How has it been so far? You guys enjoying the whirlwind? How's it been kind of being able to be in public and kind of celebrate your love?

[Heather]

Great.

[Nick]

We.

[Heather]

We haven't been in public that much. We've been doing press for two days. So this afternoon, we're, like, finally free. We're headed to the airport. We get to ride in a car together. Actually, last night, we got to go out to dinner. So that was kind of our first ever out in public for dinner, which was fun and, like, kind of weird. And we're headed to New York City for the weekend just to relax and have fun. And then on Monday, we're going to be looking for an apartment.

[Nick]

Oh, what? Yeah.

[Joan]

I'm sorry. An apartment.

[Nick]

What?

[Heather]

Yeah, we're just going to have, like, a little place to meet up when we're not in Maryland and in Kansas.

[Nick]

Amazing. Chuck. I also. Can I just say, you look excellent in a suit.

[Chalk]

Oh, thank you.

[Nick]

At the proposal and the reunion.

[Chalk]

I will tell you, that's the tightest suit I've ever worn in my life.

[Joan]

You look good in all the right places.

[Nick]

It was a power suit, man. I liked it better than the shorts. I'm. Yeah. So I wear more suits. You look great.

[Chalk]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Nick]

What has this been like for you, Chalk? As Joan kind of guided you through the kind of. The fame that comes with the spotlight. You know, you seemed very sincere through this whole process. Very much there for love, there for the right reasons, as they say. But obviously, what comes with this whole experience is the attention. What has that experience been like for?

[Chalk]

Well, I am the reluctant D. Lister, and, you know, I had no idea what I was getting into. Never been in front of a camera before. I think I handled it okay. You know, there's some guys that are obviously better at it, but not one of the guys on the show was looking for fame. Not one of us. But Joan has. I've asked her to help me take the lead on things, especially with the media and all that. She's very experienced with it, and it's. She's been great. She tells me what to wear, what shoes, what socks. She lets me say what I want to up to a certain point, and then she'll give me that look. It's like we've been together for three to five years. I mean, she's already got me figured out.

[Heather]

He's kind of a natural. He's like, an easy person to talk to. So the interviews flow. Like, you can tell. He's just easy to be around.

[Joan]

Do we have plans for the holidays?

[Heather]

Yeah, we do. So Chalk and his two kids, who are adults, are coming to Maryland and joining my big fat Greek family. And we're having Thanksgiving, and we're also doing it for Christmas. So our kids are, like, similar in ages, and they are all, like, really looking forward to having, like, this new set of step brothers and sisters. And, you know, I think it's going to make. I think it's going to make the holidays more fun already. Fun holidays are going to, like, they're going up. You know, we're raising a level.

[Joan]

Listen, I know you love more people. More the merrier is Joan's saying. I feel like. Right.

[Heather]

Yeah, it's very true. I love, like, the chaos is welcome. I always wanted it in my life, and now I have it.

[Joan]

Yes, you do.

[Nick]

Joan, I'd love to hear a little bit more about your and Chalk's first date at Disneyland. It seemed like that really solidified your connection with Chalk.

[Heather]

I invited him on that day date specifically because I wanted to see if he, you know, we could have fun together, because we'd had really good conversations, you know, already from the first night at the mansion, and I, you know, I got off that train, kind of pulled in. He was standing there, and he was so handsome, and we just started talking immediately. Like, the rapport was quick, and it was almost like we were having a date. And nobody else was around. The cameras kind of faded away. Even Disneyland faded away a little bit. As hard as that to, you know, for that to actually happen. You know, it's the happiest place on earth, and we were having a great time, but it was, like, so much more about, like, our connection and getting to know each other. So, you know, that was, like, the first, you know, time that I thought this could really happen on this show. I could really find somebody.

[Nick]

Chuck. You know, I feel like most people go on the show, go for the experience, and kind of open to finding love, because you never really know. People say, you know, what you signed up for, but until you get into this crazy experience, you don't really know what this whole process really is. Is. At what point were you kind of realizing that, holy crap, you know, Joan is someone I could fall in love with, you know, and. And when did it feel real for you? Because, again, I got to imagine while you were open to finding love, you didn't really know what to expect until you showed up and got to meet Joan.

[Chalk]

Well, I had never even seen one episode of any bachelorship.

[Nick]

Okay?

[Chalk]

I went into this thing completely new. I had no idea. And at the end, I could have gone back and looked at some because I knew I was going to go on the show, But I go, I just want it to be a new experience. So my expectations were pretty low. Just saying, hey, it's going to be an experience. Let's see if you can find love at Disneyland.

[Scott]

Is.

[Chalk]

You know, I got back from that date, and I was like, this. This person's special. And we had that bond. And it just continued to grow every time we were together after that. But it was Disneyland 100%, and it just wasn't. You can't manufacture it. It's just like one of those dates where you. You meet someone and you're going, wow, this is. You know, you're attracted to him, but you can just talk to them. And you feel like we had so many common goals, common principles, common beliefs, and it's just worked out fantastic.

[Nick]

Yeah. Well, given the fact that you didn't prep for the show, I am curious because obviously, once you had that connection early on at Disneyland, you know, you seem like a very respectful guy. Obviously, you made a lot of friends, but it must have gotten harder and harder for you to pretend to be okay with all these other men going on dates with someone you were clearly falling in love with. And I. And I must imagine, because I've been in your shoes before, you must have not taken those relationships as seriously. But how did you handle that? Not being familiar with the process. Because obviously people have watched the show. They kind of understand, okay, she's going to go on group date. She's going to go on these other dates. But for you, having no idea what the show was, how challenging was it for you to be falling in love with this woman and then watch these other guys go on dates?

[Chalk]

I did. I thought, really well, with one exception. And. But to tell you how raw I was, I didn't even know what the first impression rose was, okay. When my name was called out and I didn't even know I was going on the first one. On one date, I'm like, what is this? I'm like, what do I gotta do? And I was just. It was crazy. But one of the gentlemen, I don't want to mention his name. He came back from a date. He was just absolutely glowing. And all the guys came back and they were so, you know, happy to have the time with Joan, so respectful. And they said she was such a great person. But one guy came back and he was just absolutely glowing. And that one kind of got me because I'm going, do I have that strong of a bond with Joan? And I learned later that it was a great date, but they didn't have the level of appreciation for each other that Joan and I did. But that, you know, I sat there and I go, oh, this. This hurts. Yeah, you know, I might not be the guy.

[Nick]

Interesting. That's fascinating.

[Joan]

What are you most excited about doing? Is it just sitting on the couch watching that? Is it traveling? Is it walking around on the street? What are we excited to do?

[Chalk]

If I may, it's any and all of that. We're both very active people. We want to raise grandkids together. We want to travel, we want to experience life. We want to have fun in New York City, have fun in Maryland, fun in Kansas, and just keep it going and do everything. We both have an appreciation for life, and hopefully we've got 30 years left to do it. We're both in our young 60s, but that's a reality, too. Going while you're healthy, you got to do what you want to do.

[Heather]

You know, speaking kind of to that. I am looking forward to going on. I love couples vacations. It's just you get away from, like, all your responsibility is all about having fun and eating great meals and being in cool places. So I think that's like, kind of what I'm most looking forward to. Like, the couple of Vacations.

[Joan]

Pascal recently did an interview, and he kind of said, like, you know, he thinks that Bachelor, especially for golden, should be pulling from the same city. Obviously. Obviously, y'all live in completely different states. You're now talking about, you know, getting this New York apartment to have somewhere to call home together. Do you agree with that? Is it. Is it hard, you know, being settled in your lives in two different states?

[Heather]

Like, I have kind of two opinions about that one. So I get that, you know, you've established your lives in, you know, particular areas and that it's hard to uproot families, but I kind of look at it in a little different way. I think that it's fun. Like, you could make that a positive thing, that you could spend time going to each other's homes and not, you know, even if you don't live full time together, you'd spend. You could spend a lot of. A lot of time together. You know, as long as you have the time, which we do at this age, you know, we don't have as many responsibilities, and you have the resources, you have to have some money to be able to go back and forth and meet in places. I think you could make this, like, a really fun way to live. It doesn't need to be a negative, and it also doesn't limit you. And I know he lives in a big city. He lives in Chicago. I live in D.C. you know, there are plenty of options out there. You're still limiting your pool of people, and your person might not live in your state, so you might need to go farther out and explore other possibilities, and the Bachelor allows you to do that. It's harder to be one of those people trying to date outside of your state in just the normal world. But in the Bachelor world, it's not hard. And as long as you know that there's going to be compromises, I think.

[Nick]

It'S, like, so doable, and you guys wouldn't have met each other.

[Chalk]

I don't want to speak for Pascal because, you know, everyone has their own opinion, but through the casting process, they tell you that the person is from somewhere else, you know, and it's not like you're going in blind. I mean, you know, going through this process, you want to be on this show that the person lives somewhere else. And at our age, every one of us has connections to where they're living. It would be the exception if somebody said, well, I'm living in Tampa and I'm willing to move in a week, and that might happen. But, you know, going into the show. This is a strong probability you're going to have a relationship that somebody could live. Live 3,000 miles away.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Heather]

There were a couple women from Golden Bachelor that I was on that season with that were willing to move. They said they found the right person. So there are people that are willing to move, you know. You know, a lot of times your kids don't stay in the area where you. Where they were raised or where they grew up. They move. So some people are more flexible than others.

[Nick]

What is something you two, since you've been together, have had to work through as a couple? Like, have you. Have you had your first kind of like, little bit of a disagreement? You know less about each other when you got engaged than you know about each other because there's so little bit of time. But, like, as you've gotten to know each other, what is something that's been kind of like, oh, okay, well, this is. This is new. You know, this is something that's kind of a aha. Moment that you've had to kind of understand about each other.

[Chalk]

You know, it's. In all honesty, we really haven't had one of those. It's inevitable. It's going to happen. We had a situation the other day where we were dealing. I'm going to call it a veteran where I started. I got frustrated. I gave the phone to Joan. She handled it for a while. Then she gave it back to me. It was just a great tag team to do this. And those things happen. We, you know, they're going to happen, but we're going to work through it. And I learned that Joan's usually right, so I'll just support that.

[Heather]

Start from that assumption.

[Nick]

We're all good. There you go. See, that's wisdom, Chuck.

[Chalk]

You know, my goal is to be the easiest person you could have ended up with.

[Heather]

But then she actually says that. He said, I'm going to be the easiest guy you've ever been with. And that kind of is true. Like, so far, that's like, that statement was so accurate.

[Chalk]

And I'm at a great point in my life, everyone that I don't need to be in charge. I've been doing business at a high level, had to make the decisions and all that. I'm kind of just, you know, I'm going to be Joan's bag carrier, and I'll do this. I'll do the laundry and dinner, and I'll make sure we have wine. And that's kind of my plan.

[Joan]

You chose wisely.

[Nick]

I'm sure you Guys get this question a lot. It has to be asked. Probably annoying, but like, where are we on any type of wedding planning, wedding dates? Are we just kind of pushing that out? I'm sure everyone's asked you that question, but you know, we would be remiss if we didn't ask the question.

[Heather]

Chalk asks me it every day. When are you going to marry me? So I get asked all the time. He says whatever I want is fine with him. There he is the easiest guy in the world. And I originally thought like, I kind of wanted it to just be like an intimate wedding with just family and friends, which is easy to plan. I could do it quicker and sooner. You know, I want to wait a little bit. Like let us just be out there and live life for at least a few months before we start thinking about wedding. But now I'm thinking maybe bigger. Maybe include Bachelor Nation.

[Nick]

Okay. Tv.

[Heather]

No idea. That's a bigger conversation and maybe a little harder to do. So may, may take a little longer. But yeah, we're going to get married and I'd say it's in 25, early 26 time frame.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Joan]

Wow. We love.

[Monica]

I just want to know, who do.

[Joan]

You think will be the next Golden Bachelor?

[Chalk]

We have talked about this and we, between us, we probably have seven to nine of the guys that we think would be perfect. Each one has their own unique personality, skill sets, morals characteristics. And I would, for me, I'd have, I'm going to say eight of them in a hat and pull one out. And the reason why is you've got Charles L. That America absolutely loves, you know, the innocence that that guy has. Then you have fun on the other end with Jack and Keith. You've got the debonair Pascal that America loves. You've got Jordan, who's witty, smart, athletic, good looking. You just have so many different. You've got Dan. And the camera didn't do Dan any justice. That's one good looking man. I love Dan and Gary, you know, and I just, I don't want to admit anyone, but Gary's got this incredible loving personality.

[Heather]

And I think up until men tell all, Jonathan was like right up there, but he announced that he has a girlfriend. And that's the other problem, that a lot of these guys are pairing off already. I mean, they've become, you know, the world knows who they are and you know, they become really popular with the women. And I think about five of them have girlfriends already.

[Nick]

Wow. Exciting for them. Thank you so much, you guys. Congratulations to you both. So happy for you guys, I hope we'll get a chance to catch up with you guys in the future, but best of luck to you. You, we'll see you at the wedding.

[Chalk]

Thank you. You'll be invited.

[Nick]

All right, take care.

[Bronwyn]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Bye.

[Joan]

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[Nick]

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[Joan]

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[Nick]

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[Joan]

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[Nick]

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[Joan]

They do. I'm happy for them. They look happy and like getting an apartment in New York is so chic.

[Nick]

I know they're going to last longer.

[Joan]

Than like a smash pad in New York City. Fun.

[Nick]

Why didn't you ask him is this a smash pad?

[Joan]

I should have. I'm sorry. I just was like.

[Nick]

So is this a smash pad?

[Joan]

Pad where you're going to smash all the time feels a little intrusive.

[Nick]

I feel like Chalk would have been a little uncomfy, but John would have giggled.

[Joan]

I feel like that is. That is correct.

[Nick]

Well, we wish him all the best. I believe them. I do. Yeah. More than I did Gary and Teresa.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't think anyone's going to be signing any type of NDA divorce prenup. Anyways, congrats to them. Now is a good time to let you know that we have an incredible episode of Going Deeper this Wednesday. Brawen your favorite new housewife of Salt Lake City and maybe Bravo Nation overall is with us on Wednesday. And she really gets into it with us. Everything, well, really about her, just her background, her childhood, what she thinks of the women. Yeah, she. Bro, she's here to stay, she's here to play. And she came out swinging. We love that.

[Joan]

And I feel like since she is Rihanna's favorite, Rihanna will be tuning into this episode to learn more about her favorite housewife.

[Nick]

We would hope so.

[Joan]

So if you want to be like Rihanna, go and listen to the episode.

[Nick]

Go and listen to the episode. All right. Well, we are wrapping up the vacation in Palm Springs.

[Scott]

It was a good episode.

[Tamra]

Was really good.

[Joan]

It was a good.

[Scott]

We were cooking because first we have the lunch of John Barlow trying to, like, mediate Whitney and Lisa.

[Monica]

Wait, when they did that cut, I was so confused when it was like, oh, thank God. John handled the problem for us and handled our women problems. It's all over. And they did the smash cut to credits.

[Tamra]

That was so funny.

[Monica]

It was so brilliant.

[Joan]

Listen, the editors on Salt Lake City, they really cooked. They are so good.

[Tamra]

Ms.

[Nick]

Shed, the top Gun scene.

[Joan]

The Top Gun scene. Yes. And the Newlywed Game. Like, like, so cute. They are doing the Lord's work.

[Nick]

They're doing more than New York, that's for sure.

[Joan]

But, yeah, I do think it's funny when men try to get involved in women's drama and they think like, oh, yeah, like, just, okay, and it's done.

[Monica]

Just ask her point blank and she'll say, that's what Whitney tried to do.

[Scott]

John did it the right way. But then also John was like, well, Lisa's never lied. Which Mary said in the after show. Catch this. She said, John and Lisa are going to break up. When he claimed Lisa never lies about anyone because he's lied about everything. Everyone.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

Wait, Mary said that?

[Scott]

But she was kind of joking. She's kind of joking, but she's like, who are you talking about? Because that's not your wife.

[Nick]

Like, you don't know your wife.

[Scott]

If that's basically because John was mediating the conversation but also being like, well, Lisa doesn't lie. So.

[Monica]

And even Bronwyn said it during the episode. She was like, if everybody's husband is telling you that their wife is in the mud with your wife, maybe you have to admit that your wife is also in the mud. You know, it's this, like, everybody. Because he had that in his soundbite. He was like, lisa can't even sneeze without everybody coming for her. And it's like she. She has some accountability that she needs to be held responsible for, too.

[Nick]

Yeah, but he lives in an echo chamber. Yeah, he lives in the Lisa Barlow echo chamber. She comes home and just constantly vents about how she's victimized by literally everyone. Yeah, everyone. Her peers, the production company, Bravo, Wendy's.

[Joan]

Or maybe she doesn't. We're not in the house with them.

[Nick]

I'm predicting.

[Monica]

I'm hoping he, like, picks and chooses his battles. But even at the end with the coach thing, and he was like, so you want to extend our time, be further away from our child for a 40 because of where you're sitting? And she was like, absolutely.

[Nick]

He wanted to call her crazy in that moment. He was like.

[Monica]

And he was too scared.

[Nick]

He was way too scared. He's like, so, okay, you know, I'm.

[Monica]

Gonna say common sense slowly and hope it's gonna click.

[Joan]

I do want him at some point to be like, lisa, this is crazy. Come on, let's, like, not do this.

[Tamra]

Do you think there will ever come a day where John just goes, lisa, shut the fuck up?

[Nick]

You know, he wants to.

[Tamra]

It's like, I don't. But he knows he can't.

[Scott]

He loves her, though.

[Tamra]

He loves her very deeply.

[Joan]

I just wish that table. He would have been like, listen, my wife isn't perfect. None of us are going to make.

[Nick]

My wife try to.

[Scott]

He kind of tried to, though, when he was like, do you think this good? Do you think this good? Okay, we're done. But also not enough.

[Nick]

I was really upset that. What's. Whitney's.

[Monica]

Justin.

[Scott]

Justin.

[Nick]

I was really upset. He even kind of apologized. I know he just did it to end it and just shut it up and just try to be done with it. But.

[Joan]

But also, if she felt like he was being aggressive, then she.

[Nick]

But we saw the replay.

[Joan]

But you. But like, we weren't in Lisa's body in the moment. So, like, if she was like, you know, that what? Like, you did step down.

[Nick]

That's dangerous. I honestly, maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but we live in complicated, sensitive times.

[Scott]

Yeah, you're right.

[Nick]

And when we have video. Video evidence of a guy not being aggressive towards a woman, and we have a woman accusing of a man being aggressive when he's not.

[Joan]

But it's like, I don't like the.

[Nick]

Narrative that she gets to bully this guy into. Into admitting to something he didn't do.

[Joan]

But it's like when someone says, you said that, and that hurt my feelings. You can't be like, no, it didn' Didn't. Well, how do you know it hurt their feelings.

[Nick]

You could say, I'm sorry that hurt your feelings. Which I would argue is not an.

[Joan]

Apology, not an apology.

[Nick]

But he didn't. That's not what. That's not how he apologized. That.

[Joan]

No, I'm just saying that's the equivalent. You wouldn't tell someone, like, that's not true. I didn't hurt yourself.

[Nick]

Do we know what is exact.

[Scott]

We'll get to that. But before. Before we leave this lunch, Sean basically called Lisa borderline abusive. I've been privy to some of the abuse.

[Monica]

I think abuse is kind of a strong.

[Scott]

It's a very strong word. I don't.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's overused for sure.

[Scott]

Well, then Lisa said, well, I just have a different way of thinking. You guys clearly don't understand me. Which is always Lisa's clapback. Because even season one, she's like, it's not my fault if you perceive the way that I treated you to be a way of treating you bad.

[Tamra]

And it's like, okay, well, she thinks she's so misunderstood.

[Joan]

I do see that in a way. It kind of reminds me of, like, when I will say, like, bitch to people. And I'm not being like, you bitch. I'm like, bitch. And it's people. You know, some people don't. You know, I dance when we were. Or I texted Lala when we were at her. I was at her event, and I didn't see her anywhere, and I said, bitch, are you hiding upstairs? And like, that wasn't like a mean bitch. It was like a bitch bitch.

[Nick]

Sure, sure, sure, sure. But you actually do that when you're playing. And it's pretty clear, like, in those scenarios that you're being like, bitch. Lisa seems to be like, you fucking bitch. Blah, blah, blah. And then two days later tells a version where it's like, I wasn't saying.

[Joan]

Bitch, you know, like, yeah, I guess.

[Tamra]

She is one of our incredible television personalities.

[Joan]

She is. And I feel like if John were to have spoken up at any moment, that probably would have been the time for John to speak up and speak on his wife's behalf. Because I would imagine John is around for also some of those conversations, right? Maybe. Or is he. Is he. Does he work a lot?

[Nick]

What is John. He's a CEO. He is a CEO. What is he CEO of?

[Scott]

Of, as Todd said, a mediocre tequila brand. Did you guys watch that?

[Nick]

Wait, he's the CEO of Lisa's.

[Scott]

Well, they're both Their co. Like, that's.

[Nick]

What he's the CEO of.

[Scott]

When I think they have other businesses, but, like, Vida is one of the main ones. Yeah.

[Nick]

Interesting.

[Scott]

And then they have, like, the spirits brand or the Seltzer brand.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

These are their companies, to be clear.

[Scott]

Yeah. Like, they own it. He does a lot of work for it, like, throughout the season. He's like, the one setting up the events with Lisa and.

[Nick]

Okay, all right.

[Scott]

Parallel parking. But did you catch it when Todd said at the event, he was like, oh, like, to his friends that are not on the show, he said they own, like, a Tequila brand. And they're like, well, doesn't everybody? He was like, well, yeah. Mediocre, too. Tequila.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Joan]

Yeah. Which we did ask Bronwyn about, so.

[Nick]

Ooh.

[Tamra]

Guess you'll just have to wait and.

[Nick]

See, I guess in those. And sometimes, from what I know about, like, celebrity endorsements of spirits of some kind, often there is a whole operation. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe Elisa started this brand from the ground up and she is pervita. Yeah. Does she own her distilleries or does she white label? Does he. You know, there's.

[Joan]

You should send those questions to Witness Whitney and Whitney should ask those. You know, it would have been like Alibaba. Okay, well, do you own your distillery? You know.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Alibaba stuff. I'm glad that Meredith chose a different conversation to have this episode.

[Joan]

We leave Palm Springs and go to Mary's house where she's checking up on her son and his wife, which I feel like we've got to stop with him. It feels very exploitive. It feels like he's very clearly under the influence in every scene we see him in. And I wish.

[Scott]

Did you catch the vape? That they were.

[Tamra]

Justin and I rewound this.

[Scott]

Like, I screenshotted it.

[Joan]

I was like, is that a yes? It was like she was going to hit it. And he was like, do not hit that.

[Tamra]

Could you imagine Miriam Cosby talking about.

[Joan]

A vape and her hitting it in front of Mary and, like, blowing it. Her. Her direction?

[Tamra]

She'd be like, what is that?

[Joan]

It doesn't.

[Tamra]

What are you doing?

[Monica]

It does make me feel sad because I'm like, he hasn't really been on the show. So part of me feels like Mary's just so desperate for him to have some sort of, like, wake up call or see himself on the show and maybe have some sort of realization, because I can't imagine any other reason why she would put her son in that stage.

[Scott]

That's what I Was wondering on television, what's the storyline? Because he's been on the show in seasons before, but, like, in a small capacity of, like, the narrative always seems to be like, well, he doesn't do anything. Like, oh, I just found out he married someone out of nowhere and they live in my house. House. I think she's genuinely, like, concerned for him.

[Monica]

Oh, she said she'll do anything it.

[Joan]

Takes to try to get.

[Scott]

I don't think it's like, exploiting him necessarily.

[Joan]

Is it the place to be concerned for your son on a national TV show where you're giving the world the opportunity to comment on him?

[Nick]

It's obviously very easy to judge and speculate to how we got to this point in terms of Mary and her son's relationship and specifically his lack of, say, let's say, structure in his life. But I thought it was very vulnerable of Mary in that moment to just be like, maybe I spoiled him. I want to do anything I can to address this problem and just kind of say point blank to her son, like, I don't think you're ready for the world, so to speak, and I don't know what to do, but I really want to get you ready for the. Which is this. Listen, it's a very honest thing to say to your kid and, and how we got to that point, I don't know. But that's probably the most honest thing you could say in that moment to your kid, which is like, I'm trying to have some sort of wake up call, you know, I thought it was very loving.

[Scott]

I agree. Well, even when Mary said, like, I feel like it's my fault, like, I'm not a mother, but I was like, I know that's something a lot of mothers like, the guilt they have when something goes wrong.

[Monica]

When she said, I feel like I'm losing him to something like that, to me, where it's like she's making it very clear, like, she knows that this is not her son in the right state of mind.

[Scott]

And he is 19. Like, I looked up his age, he's still young, but I think it's the fact that he's not at college. He, like, married this wife in secrecy that now lives in the house and.

[Nick]

They just live in the room also.

[Scott]

That's weird that, like, if I. I mean, they were eating in bed too. If I were the wife, I would have left the room for that conversation. I wouldn't be, like, eating my fries and chicken in the middle of, like, marrying the sun. I would have been like, this Is not for me.

[Monica]

Right. Well, going through the checklist of what.

[Joan]

You'Ve done today, I mean, she also seems like she's.

[Nick]

They seem high as fuck.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Yeah. I mean, they do.

[Joan]

So it's just that it makes me sad because. And maybe it's like he. She's doing this so that he can watch it back and see how he is, but it's also. I don't think he is watching this show.

[Monica]

I think she's just desperate, and I think she doesn't know how to connect with.

[Scott]

Not desperate for the storyline.

[Monica]

No. Desperate for, like, her son to be okay, and she doesn't know what else to do.

[Scott]

That's what I think it is.

[Tamra]

It's also. Yeah.

[Monica]

And even then, you don't know who's gonna, like, reach out after seeing that and be like, okay. Like, this is maybe symptoms of what I think he might be doing or something, maybe to move into a direction of getting help.

[Joan]

I don't know. Back at Palm Springs, we see that Bronwyn does, in fact, get her $4 million necklace.

[Scott]

Good for five.

[Tamra]

Good.

[Joan]

Four. Five.

[Scott]

No, it was four million.

[Joan]

$4 million necklace.

[Scott]

Five at that point.

[Joan]

And her and the earrings. So pretty much five. And they sit down for their anniversary dinner. And it is, like, the weirdest vibe. It starts off, like, with these weird jokes. Bronwyn calls their relationship, like, misera beautiful. And it's like, oh, okay. And they have a lot of jokes about, like, money and the black card. And.

[Scott]

I don't know, she's almost teasing the sugar baby, like, storyline that Heather was perpetuating. But, like. Like, she's giving fuel to the fire. Even though, like, it's not a sugar baby situation.

[Tamra]

It seems to me that her and Todd have, like, a, like, Bronwyn's sense of. She's, like, pretty dry. And I think her and Todd are just, like, both two really, like, dry people. And so she. I feel like she's fully joking.

[Erica]

Oh, she's joking.

[Nick]

It's like when people. People make fun of us for our age gaps, like, sometimes we lean into it and tell the same jokes that people talk about us, so to speak. And I felt like that's what Brahwan was doing in that moment.

[Joan]

I think so, too. I just don't think it came off to the other people at the table like that. I think they were kind of like. Because didn't Meredith.

[Scott]

Meredith's like, there's mild tension here. It's an unusual engagement, is what she said.

[Nick]

I feel like those are housewives. It's like, when someone else tries to make a joke, it's an opportunity for you to be like, well, that's not funny, and start drama. And I think all these women. Women know how to start drama. This is the Mean Girls playbook. It's like, ew, that's weird. Like, that's how all this shit starts. And that's all these, like, Lisa and Meredith and Heather are like, the queen AD Is just being like, ew, weird.

[Tamra]

Do not lump Meredith into Lisa and Heather's orbit.

[Scott]

I did point out to Mary the other day that she is. No.

[Joan]

Yes.

[Tamra]

No, she's.

[Scott]

I pointed out to Mary that Meredith has a law degree, but she's never actually practiced law.

[Tamra]

She has on the show, but she.

[Scott]

Has on the show.

[Nick]

She's never actually practiced.

[Scott]

No.

[Tamra]

She would have been too powerful. But she still couldn't handle.

[Scott]

She still speaks as if she, like, she's very, like, legally trained in her vernacular, especially when it comes to, like, the Sean vs. Meredith podcast thing.

[Nick]

Does she ever say, I object?

[Scott]

What do you mean?

[Nick]

Something. Lawyer said, I object.

[Scott]

Oh, object, Objection.

[Joan]

Isn't it they say, I object, or is it just like, objection, speculation.

[Scott]

Yeah, sure. He's watching the movie.

[Joan]

He's watching, like, Mari or, you know, like, Judge Judy. I don't know. And then we get into this whole Meredith and Sean of it all, which.

[Scott]

They rolled the tapes. And Sean did say what Meredith was saying, that he was saying she leverages her son and the community.

[Joan]

Yes. Which I wish Angie would have spoken up and been like, you know what? We just had this whole thing where Lisa came for me about Elektra. I'm going to shut this down. Like, he, you know, he should not have spoken about your son. It's like, she just got so pissed off because Elektra was thrown into the mix, and it's like. And now you're going to sit by and, like, let your husband fend for himself against Meredith when, like, he clearly was in the wrong.

[Scott]

Yeah. Which I feel like there was other things tied in there because he was like, it's my biggest pet peeve. If I thought we were, like, good and we're not good, and then we're not, because they squashed the beef. So then it came back.

[Joan]

I mean, I guess.

[Scott]

But then she. I mean, I agree.

[Tamra]

It's just, like, a complicated argument because Meredith is obviously coming from this at a point where, like, the whole, like, Jen and Brooks beef, where Jen was literally starting beef with a child, outed Jen outed Brooks on Twitter.

[Scott]

Season one or two yeah.

[Tamra]

So she's very, very protective. Protective of him.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

And then. But then Meredith also did kind of squirming around call.

[Nick]

Jen shot outed Meredith's son.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Erica]

Kind of.

[Scott]

Yes. But then it became like she was like, well, one of my assistants had the phone or the accountant was tweeting, and either way. So it wasn't fully clear who said it, but it came from her account. Account that Jen and Brooks had to.

[Tamra]

Have a sit down. Jen was literally beefing with a full child.

[Scott]

Jen had to apologize to Brooks. It was like, season one or two. Yeah, crazy.

[Nick]

Crazy.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

So she doesn't only hate the elderly.

[Nick]

She hates the kids.

[Tamra]

She hates the kids too.

[Monica]

And I could be fully wrong here, and I could be playing devil's advocate, but I'm like. I'm wondering if what Sean is saying isn't so much that he thinks he was saying something bad about Brooks in the sense of, like, saying what Meredith did involving Brooks, but not actually speaking about her son. Like, she. He didn't say anything disparaging against Brooks. Brooks is mentioned in the sense of you're using your son. After calling me gay and being okay with ruining my marriage, you're now saying because you have an LGBTQ son that you. You couldn't be culpable for inflicting pain on. On our relationship in the same way. Does that make sense?

[Scott]

Yes, because I will say I. I mean, I don't think Sean remembered what he said, and that's what the dinner. He's like, I don't remember.

[Nick]

I clearly didn't remember.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Yeah. But I will say I think he was right, that Meredith did do harm. And for her to just kind of get the pass, even if she didn't do it but the community did it, it's, like, hypocritical that she's, like, quote unquote, accusing someone of their sexuality versus, like, it's okay because she has a gay son. As someone from the community, that's my take. So I agree.

[Tamra]

I completely agree with you. But on the Meredith technicality, she didn't say that.

[Scott]

She said, you want to talk about the husbands.

[Tamra]

She implied it heavily, but never actually said it.

[Scott]

Monica was the one that said it.

[Tamra]

She got Monica.

[Scott]

So that's where Meredith is lawyering is where she kind of, like, hints at it and then get someone else.

[Nick]

Meredith does it a lot, though. She does.

[Tamra]

She's incredible every second.

[Monica]

She's never left holding a smoking gun. That's just. That's how Meredith is. But, I mean, there are tracks that if you really looked up, there's a little bit of evidence that, like, Meredith had her hand in shit, literally.

[Scott]

The blowjobs for jazz tickets. Rumor that was Meredith.

[Monica]

Nobody saw.

[Scott]

And then Whitney took the fall.

[Nick]

Yeah, I don't actually.

[Tamra]

She's a genius.

[Nick]

But is she, though?

[Scott]

No, I think so.

[Nick]

She's messy, you know? I think so. I think it's, you know, like, I'm watching the season and been like, yeah, Marilyn's guilty.

[Scott]

And then also before Jen got arrested, she was the one being like, I've heard things. And then the second they were like, yeah, you know, the FBI. You talked to the FBI? She's like, I never said anything. I said, I know things. And it's like, okay, well, in the conversation of us talking about Jen, that clearly means something else.

[Monica]

And she has her, like, inflection with, like, how she. It's the way that she says it.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

She's just so incredible. And the way that she speaks in her cadence.

[Scott]

And then. What do you think of Seth going.

[Monica]

Proof beyond so disrespectful.

[Scott]

Cringey.

[Monica]

So cringey.

[Joan]

It was.

[Nick]

That was giving. He wants to be a housewife so badly.

[Tamra]

It was less disrespectful and more just like, what year is it?

[Joan]

Yeah, yeah. And just call me a bitch.

[Tamra]

Just call him a bit like, are you going to go home and watch an episode of Glee?

[Nick]

Was that his way of being like, as a guy, I can't say bitch, but I can say B.

[Scott]

Yes. And then also Meredith, after being like, well, he's fed up with, like, his wife under fire, like, from all these women.

[Tamra]

And I'm like, no one's talking about you right now.

[Scott]

Also, it was kind of cute, though. I was like, okay, you guys have, like, marriage issues episode before, and now you're, like, backing up your wife with proof bia.

[Tamra]

It's also like, Seth has said before that he tries to publicly make a fool of himself in order for Meredith.

[Scott]

To, like, look better.

[Tamra]

Look better. So I don't know.

[Monica]

Well, mission accomplished.

[Nick]

Does it make her. Does it make her look better?

[Tamra]

Well, this was different. It was when Meredith was having, like, death in her family and she was, like, going through a lot or this was like. And Jen was. There was just all the Jen, like, FBI stuff going on. And Seth had said. I think he said in the reunion that he purposefully made a fool of himself in order to, like, take attention away from Meredith, like, struggling. Anyway.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

I don't know if that's relating to.

[Scott]

Now, but Meredith did say in the after show. And this. When people do this, it irritates me. She was like, well, the biotch was comedic. It was funny. It was comedy. And I'm like, to me, that doesn't work. Like, you can't just say something wasn't rude by saying it's comedy.

[Joan]

But also, she didn't react in that way. If she would have been like, you know, she should have been like, oh, my God, he's joking. Like, it's funny in the moment, but in the moment, in the moment, she's like, well, while he's defending me, you're coming. It's like, which one is it? Were you serious or was it funny?

[Scott]

Also, what would you think if someone else's husband called you biatch? Regardless if it's comedy or not, I'm like, why are you calling me bioch?

[Tamra]

It's only a joke if it lands. And it didn't land. So. Bomb, bomb dot com.

[Joan]

It does end with Lisa having the biggest hissy fit about having to sit in coach.

[Scott]

Oh, my gosh.

[Monica]

I haven't had to fly coach since I was 17.

[Nick]

She says it. That's what the. That's my biggest gripe with Lisa is. She says these things as if we're supposed to be impressed.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, I feel like I never left the house without getting makeup done, you know, And I'm always like, in these moments. It makes me like her the least I've ever liked her. Like, the out of touch.

[Monica]

It's not relatable, and it's not the flex you think it is.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's not a flex at all.

[Scott]

I think it became less of, like, a bit and funny when you had, like, Monica on the show and then you have Bronwyn. That's real money. And it's like, so now it looks like you're doing too much.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

Do we think Lisa's just insecure?

[Scott]

Yeah, of course she wants to present.

[Monica]

But even what Bronwyn said in the after show, that it's like, if you have all of this access, you have all of this money. Apparently the rumors going around that Lisa's saying she has more money than Bronwyn and Todd, that it's like, okay, then call up somebody and get a private jet here or get a helicopter or do whatever you rich people do. If you're so upset about your coach flight.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If you're so rich about flying coach, you don't complain about flying coach. You just don't fly coach. And you figure, if anything, you keep it discreet.

[Scott]

You're like was like, buy a Porsche. There's a Porsche dealership. She's like, just get a car. Drive it.

[Joan]

Did you see Lisa posted on Instagram, like, a walkthrough of her pj?

[Tamra]

Yeah, no, Lisa's pj.

[Joan]

It was like. I mean, I don't know if it's hers personally, but she had like, got a PJ and climbed up.

[Scott]

Well, and it's funny too, because he.

[Nick]

Gave like, a little tour of a planet.

[Joan]

It's like her walking up the stairs, sitting in the seat, like.

[Scott]

Well, so the after show aired before she posted this video.

[Monica]

And that's how we know you don't have one. Yeah, like, I'm sorry, like, and I'm not trying to be a bitch, but. But I'm just like the, like, needing to show it off. And it's like, you've been on the show for four, five seasons, and I've never seen your PJ given new money.

[Tamra]

Mama.

[Monica]

Thank you.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And we all know, like, if she.

[Monica]

Had one, we would be seeing it all the time.

[Scott]

I mean, she has connections to the.

[Nick]

She would take it to Wendy's. Okay.

[Tamra]

That I could get behind. If she did that, I would be like, Lisa Barlow, you've never done anything wrong in your life. Can I come?

[Scott]

Here's what she was complaining about with coach is she was sitting like sardines. She couldn't move her arms and hands. There was lots of turbulence. You can smell the bathroom. And then she said looking out the window, you'll live if the plane crashes because you're in the back. Well, that's a plus, I guess. And then she couldn't connect her sky miles.

[Joan]

Okay. Several things.

[Tamra]

She didn't lie.

[Joan]

Several things. Here your first class is also by a bathroom.

[Scott]

That's what I was saying.

[Nick]

In fact, closer than most economy seats.

[Monica]

Some would say sandwiched.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Neighbors couldn't move her arms and hands.

[Monica]

So she was in a middle seat.

[Joan]

Turbulence, like you feel like you only feel turbulence in one end. Doesn't it shake the whole plane?

[Nick]

No.

[Monica]

What that says to me is that you're usually a little tipsy, Lisa, from the free drinks in the front, that you don't feel the turbulence.

[Joan]

Yeah. It's also was like what, a 45 minute flight?

[Monica]

Yes.

[Joan]

Like you go up and then you land.

[Tamra]

That was the part that really got me, is the fact that it was a 45 minute flight.

[Joan]

It's like pitch a fit if we're going across the country, you know, like from LA to New York. Pitch a fit. Sure. I guess five hours, whatever. 45 minutes. You're mad, but you want to fly.

[Monica]

An extra 30 minutes back to LA.

[Joan]

LA to wait in LAX. Oh my God.

[Monica]

To wait for a first class flight for an hour flight, maybe 55 minute flight from LA to Salt Lake.

[Tamra]

Also she got 17C, right.

[Monica]

She's not in the back of the plane.

[Tamra]

17C, that's an aisle. Is it an aisle or a window?

[Monica]

That is an aisle.

[Tamra]

She's fine.

[Nick]

All Lisa is about her entire existence is to see what she's able to get other people to do for her. She just wants to see, see what kind of bullshit she can throw and see who she can get to comply. Number one complier, her husband John, like Mr. Compliance. He's there, he will like, all right, here we go. Heather, she's right in there in the compliance department. She's just like, Lisa, were you cool in high school? Great. I need to be your friend. Doesn't matter how you treat people, whatever.

[Joan]

I feel like in that moment Heather would have been like, bitch, get on this plane. You are not going to fly.

[Nick]

To enter itm. She would have talked some shit behind Lisa's back. But to Lisa right there, she wouldn't.

[Scott]

Have said, well, and not to be a Meredith, but to answer your question and to agree with it, there are lawsuits out there of friends and business partners that were complying with Lisa and giving her stuff but never got in return.

[Nick]

Yeah. So Lisa just wants to see what she can get people to do.

[Monica]

Also, Bronwyn posted that she had actually gotten the, the second set of first class tickets for the two single women that were supposed to be coming. So Britney and Heather were both invited on this trip, but she refunded the tickets. But I don't know who she gave the first, the other first class tickets.

[Scott]

To, but probably no one. She's like, no.

[Monica]

She was like, yeah, never mind, you guys.

[Scott]

Because they were sitting with their couples.

[Monica]

That's right. That's what she did say. And it would have been favoritism. But like, I think it is kind of interesting that she also did think if she was going to give anybody first class, she would have given it to Heather.

[Scott]

I think it's nice. Did you notice that in the after show? And I think this is kind of interesting that Lisa and Britney are paired up. So usually it's like the friends, but like Lisa and Britney are like kind of the outliers that they were kind of like. That's me just saying like, let's have you guys sit together.

[Nick]

Oh yeah.

[Scott]

Versus like Doing a single one, which.

[Nick]

Is Heather paired up with Meredith.

[Scott]

Yeah, Heather's with Meredith.

[Nick]

I feel like that's the producers separating Heather and Lisa because you'll get a more honest Heather if she's for sure.

[Scott]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tamra]

When Heather and Meredith are around each other, it's actually like pretty chill.

[Scott]

Normally Brahman's under a lot of flack right now because of how her husband was talking to her.

[Nick]

We get all those answers tomorrow, Ro. We address a lot of her and Todd's relationship. In fact, most of the relationship, most of the conversation is about that relationship and some of the fire or controversy or criticism that she has found herself in with her husband.

[Tamra]

Is Todd really the Todd father?

[Nick]

Is Todd the Todd?

[Tamra]

Find out tomorrow.

[Nick]

Yeah. On going deeper.

[Chalk]

All right.

[Nick]

Real Housewives. Real Housewives. Obviously, Alexis makes her entrance.

[Scott]

She did. She's not religious, but she spiritual. And so.

[Nick]

No, no, no. She. No, not only is she not religious, she finds that word to be. What's the phrase? She went from being in a marriage where it was God, children.

[Joan]

No, God, spouse, children.

[Nick]

God, spouse, children. To finding the word religion to be a negative connotation.

[Joan]

It was like non sac religious or something.

[Nick]

I think she.

[Tamra]

She said it had a negative connotation.

[Nick]

I think she said the word religion at all. Religion.

[Scott]

I mean, I kind of get it, though.

[Nick]

I mean, I kind of get it.

[Scott]

But I get it when she's saying like, I'm spiritual, believe in God.

[Monica]

I was going to say this is the same woman that was like so offended by Jesus jugs and now she's like wearing it with pride.

[Scott]

Well, not to jump ahead, but her saying, I've been on TV for 15 years to Shannon.

[Nick]

Has she. The first time I've ever heard of her.

[Scott]

Well, she's been on, what is it, four or five shows. It was like some number way back when. Yeah.

[Monica]

She was not on TV 15 years.

[Scott]

Ago, but when Shannon was like, you're just a friend, Alexis. And she's like, I've been on TV 15 years and it's like you're talking to a group of women that are still on the show ten years straight.

[Nick]

Shannon destroyed her. Yeah.

[Scott]

Well, I didn't realize Alexis was a full time housewife back in the day. Yeah, I had to look it up and I was like, oh, I guess she was. But still, five through eight was her seasons.

[Joan]

Before Alexis does come out, we get a little bit of the Heather checking out Jen's. The. The money, the dress, the. Yeah, the whole like. I think Andy called them non accountants or something. Something like that.

[Scott]

Well, then who is it called Heather a mean girl.

[Tamra]

Which Katie.

[Scott]

Katie.

[Joan]

Katie.

[Tamra]

Shocker.

[Nick]

But what is Katie's deal with Heather? I don't know.

[Joan]

Well, Heather just came for her about the children 10 years ago.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Joan]

Thing. So Katie's probably like, this Katie's daughter.

[Scott]

Situation is wild, though.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Monica]

But also, remember Heather had the audacity to put her on blast, then come up to her while they're doing makeup, being like, I'm so sorry about that. If you need anything. I didn't mean for it to go like.

[Scott]

I respect that. I mean, which part are we talking about?

[Monica]

In the last reunion after she puts out that whole chase? Heather. When Heather puts out all the stuff about Katie, about the 10 years ago following that man home. The stuff we didn't need to hear. Heather. Emily was about giving up custody.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Monica]

When they finish that segment and Katie's clearly in tears, Heather walks up to her while they're resetting, and she's like, I'm sorry that it went that far. Like, that I brought this up, but it's like, you didn't have to bring it up at all.

[Scott]

No, no.

[Erica]

She.

[Scott]

But I do kind of respect Heather in that moment because she apologized for not knowing about, like, the full context. Yeah.

[Tamra]

She was like, once I brought up.

[Joan]

But it's too late. You brought up something from 10 years ago. Like, sorry, that's. You knew it wasn't going to be housewives do.

[Nick]

But didn't Katie start this dirtier.

[Scott]

Yeah, but not the past. She brought up the paparazzi.

[Joan]

Paparazzi versus, like, her with her children in a car getting, like, harassed by a man and then, like, her children taken away from. From her. That's a lot different.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Joan]

Than being like, you staged a paparazzi shoe at Disneyland, like, while you were.

[Monica]

Currently on that show also.

[Joan]

It's crazy.

[Monica]

Yeah.

[Joan]

But then it does feel like Katie is really trying to, like, get the heat back on Heather because she was like, that's a mean girl thing to do. To go up and check the price tag. Like, that's a mean girl thing to do. And Heather's like, shut the fuck up. No, it's not. And then they break for lunch and Katie's like, jen, we need to talk. And she's like, that was a mean girl thing to do. Like that. Like, her. I would never do that. I think you should, like, bring.

[Scott]

It is a mean girl thing, is it not? Why are you going out of your way to look up the price of what I'm wearing?

[Joan]

I would probably be like, oh, there's Jin's dress. And then keep moving.

[Monica]

Literally.

[Scott]

She looked up the price.

[Monica]

That's what I'm saying. And that's also an easy Google, if you cared that much. So that's where it's like, you saw that you took the extra step to be like, oh, and I can't wait to go run to Tamron.

[Scott]

It's different if you went to Bloomingdale's and you're like, oh, my God, that's the dress. Oh my God, I want it too. It's $2,000. Like, that's different.

[Tamra]

Okay, but isn't it also kind of mean girl to like, keep hounding a paparazzi story?

[Scott]

She brought up someone.

[Tamra]

It's like they're all being mean girls.

[Nick]

I'm just like, yeah, I'm just imagining Heather, who's been like one of the OGs of the show, and new girl comes in and, and plants this bullshit paparazzi story. And yeah, is it petty? Sure. But yeah, I could just imagine Heather being like, who the fuck is this person? What the fuck are they starting this shit? And then she kind of. Which kind of makes Heather's apology make more sense because I do think Heather even agrees that it probably went a little too far. But she was like, this is just like coming for me. I don't know why. And then Emily seems to, like, find this story and kind of tells Heather about it. Heather seemed to know more about this story. I mean, I'm sorry, Emily knew more about the story than Heather.

[Joan]

Heather was like, I read the police report or something.

[Nick]

That's not what the police was filling in the gaps.

[Scott]

She was clarifying the legalities of this one.

[Nick]

She was. I don't know. I. I feel like Emily told Heather about it.

[Joan]

I disagree.

[Scott]

I mean. But I will say the Katie's daughter thing is kind of wild. Like, knowing that Katie's daughter is posting tiktoks of like, to the woman beefing with my mom and she's lip syncing fake ass who suck dick.

[Tamra]

I'm surprised this doesn't happen more.

[Nick]

Katie laughed about it. I'm. I'm convinced that when Katie first saw that her daughter's tick tock, she left.

[Scott]

Well, and then she. But she said that she's had conversations with her daughter, which also, I was like, so now you're throwing me under the bus?

[Nick]

As she was kind of throwing her daughter under the bus.

[Scott]

Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Tamra]

I mean, her daughter.

[Scott]

What?

[Tamra]

She said her daughter's 20 yeah, she's around my.

[Scott]

Yeah. Our age.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, like, you have power.

[Tamra]

She has power. She's doing this all by choice.

[Joan]

It's also like, you just. All you have to do is. You're not like, hey, you can't. I'm controlling what you post on social media. It's like, what you post will affect my relationship with these women and will, like, therefore have people online attack me. So it's like, you're protecting our family by not going on social media and being petty against these women. Like, this is my job. I have to work with them.

[Nick]

And if you wanted to continue to have moments on this show, you need to not act this way and behave this way. I need you to delete it. I need you to do blah, blah, blah. Whatever she needs her to do, she has some kind of authority over her daughter if she wants it. Now, maybe she's never invoked that authority. Maybe her daughter walks all over her. Maybe she. You know, I don't know, but she. I didn't believe Katie in that moment at all.

[Scott]

She definitely laughed about it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Monica]

Well, even there's the clip of her son also going in on how mean Heather is. So clearly you're having these conversations.

[Nick]

She's coaching.

[Tamra]

Do we think Katie's daughter is trying to get on that, like, Nepo baby Bravo show with Brooks?

[Scott]

Well, they already filmed it, so.

[Tamra]

Oh, they did.

[Nick]

There's always season two.

[Tamra]

Just saying.

[Nick]

Or. Or whether she's trying to get on the show or not. Maybe she is just very much trying. There are plenty. I mean, let's not forget that Bella and Gigi were originally just kids of a housewife.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Monica]

I watched her first photo.

[Tamra]

Kendall and Kylie were the, like, little.

[Scott]

Sisters keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Nick]

You know, whether it's trying to get on a show or not, she might be trying to use this platform to, you know, bring awareness to herself.

[Monica]

Katie's daughter also has a big TikTok following.

[Scott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it was interesting when, like, for a second, the drama kind of tried to become, like, between Tamara's daughter and Katie's daughter. And I was like, why? Like, I feel like we try not to keep the children in, but every.

[Joan]

Second we're bringing the children, Tamara's like, well, she. She has.

[Scott]

She hasn't responded well.

[Tamra]

It's like, they don't want to bring the children in. They don't want to bring the husbands in. But then what is the show about children and husbands? So, like, it's funny.

[Scott]

Is Alexis delusional?

[Joan]

Yes, yes.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Monica]

It's not a question.

[Nick]

I will once again say Alexis and John, Natalie might disagree with me, but if you're listening and you're out there, please come and share your truth if you're so convinced it's true. Why?

[Scott]

I want to talk. I do want to talk to them too.

[Monica]

I don't.

[Joan]

I just, like, I don't think they're.

[Nick]

Going to have anything relevant to say either. But I would love to give and I'd love the opportunity to ask follow up questions.

[Monica]

I just. Yeah, I just feel like they're on like a. An ever revolving same loop of things to say over and over and over again. They say the same thing for each other, to each other, about each other.

[Joan]

It's just like we have people on who I might not be, like the biggest fans of. And then you meet them and you're like, oh, my God, they're so kind and nice and like, maybe this is not, you know, like we always say we reserve the right to be wrong. Like, maybe we've been wrong about them. You know, I just feel like I won't be able to be like a nice, unbiased host.

[Scott]

But see, here's the thing. We have to do that. But have the BFFR conversation with her to be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't. You can't say that Shannon didn't win when she clearly won, you know?

[Joan]

Yeah, I know.

[Tamra]

Be a hostile interviewer.

[Scott]

Because that was also wild when Shannon was. Kept saying, well, I won the case. I won the case. And she's like, you didn't win. You didn't win. And it's like, first of all, what are you arguing? Because you brought.

[Nick]

That's the thing. Shannon was arguing semantics the whole time.

[Scott]

Shannon or Alexis?

[Nick]

I'm sorry? Alexis was arguing semantics the whole time. The whole, like. Well, you know, when Shannon's smoking gun, which was the text messages of clearly Alexis, like, including herself in the potential lawsuit with her original husband, she's like.

[Joan]

He asked me to send those messages. I didn't. It's like they came from your phone. You texted me.

[Scott]

And then it became, well, he was going to sue you anyways. It's like, did you just say a second ago that you were doing that so he wouldn't to me?

[Nick]

No, it's like, wait, it's all just nutty. And she's never.

[Scott]

I think she's gonna be like, this is her only season right now. Right? Like, there's no season going forward.

[Tamra]

Well, it would just be the same story again.

[Joan]

Right.

[Tamra]

And I don't think anybody gives a shit.

[Scott]

The alternative is a redemption error with Shannon. But to Shannon's defense, I don't think she should have to film with Alexis.

[Tamra]

No, she shouldn't.

[Nick]

Yeah. Shannon should definitely hold whatever card she has.

[Monica]

I mean, she made it pretty clear when she was here she refuses to film with Al. Alexis.

[Nick]

So if she has to film a camera and then there's being in negotiations and saying, I'm not going to do this, and Bravo saying, you know, it's a game of chicken. And Bravo could be like, well, then don't come.

[Scott]

I saw something.

[Monica]

I'll boycott the network if I don't get Shannon back for another season.

[Tamra]

Alexis is a friend of.

[Nick]

I'm gonna say, shannon, chicken.

[Tamra]

No.

[Nick]

You're like, it's easier to say on a podcast.

[Scott]

There's always a price to everything when.

[Nick]

Yeah. When someone's throwing money at you or suggesting they're gonna take away.

[Scott]

I did see something of, like, it was someone estimating the salaries of the women for the season, and Tamra made, like, more than Shannon did. And in my head, I was like, that doesn't add up. Like, why is Tamra making more?

[Monica]

I mean, Tamra's been there longer.

[Scott]

Oh, has she?

[Monica]

But, I mean.

[Scott]

I mean, she was positive.

[Monica]

I don't know how many times. Yeah. I don't know how that one works.

[Nick]

Do we even know, or is this all legit?

[Scott]

It's estimated so you can ever. So this is. I mean, they estimate. I mean. Yeah. So it's alleged.

[Nick]

They estimated based off of season.

[Scott]

Last season. Yes. So it's like, roughly, like, I remember. Then they said there's like, a mandatory pay bump for.

[Nick]

I mean, again, you know, I. You hear that they get incentivized for drama, and they have some sort of bonus structure, you know, Say, what about Tamra? She is very. Again, she's there to work. She even. Even when they were, like, calling her out this episode, like, you go even lower. And Tamara's like, yeah, I kind of do. Yeah. She kind of felt like. Tamara is like, yeah, I'm always willing to do what they ask.

[Tamra]

I have a question. Is it. Is it valid for right before you start therapy to just, like, absolutely wreck everyone? So then you can, like, like, almost like a last.

[Erica]

Last.

[Scott]

Like, it's therapy. Like the excuse.

[Joan]

Like a bachelorette party. Yeah, yeah.

[Tamra]

She's like, when we get it all out, let me say all these awful things, and then I will go to therapy.

[Nick]

Well, you know, therapy doesn't work for everybody. Depends on kind of how you approach it.

[Tamra]

She's approaching therapy as if, like, I'm going to go in and I will be fixed immediately.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes people get a therapist just to get someone to agree with them.

[Joan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, there's that. You know, and depending on who their.

[Scott]

Therapist is, people do weaponized therapy.

[Tamra]

Do we think Tamara won't do that?

[Scott]

Oh, she already.

[Nick]

Well, she.

[Tamra]

Okay. Never.

[Scott]

She might. Yeah.

[Nick]

Therapy has already been a journey for her, for sure. Yeah.

[Scott]

Well, she just started her therapy journey, so.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Tamra]

And, hey, if it works out for her and helps her and makes her feel better and, you know, helps her communicate and all that kind of stuff. Godspeed.

[Nick]

Are we just on the. Let's just kind of wait and see. When it comes to Jen at this point, you know, Jen is. Whatever. At this point, tripling, quadrupling down on her on Ryan. And I think this episode, she said, I don't think he did anything wrong a couple times. And so at this point, we just have to.

[Scott]

She said, I promise you, there's nothing coming. Right. Brian's way.

[Nick]

And that might be true since he, again, is getting immunity. And maybe. Maybe that's true.

[Scott]

It is interesting, Jen's deflection with all her jobs of, like, to Emily, when she said, like, well, his parents pay for your life. And like, this episode, she's like, well, were you faithful with your husband? And it's like, okay, she's clearly throwing things out there because I think she is also in a position where she doesn't know how to talk about it. So she's deflecting.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah. And. But what Jen has at this point, you just have to respect that this is the relationship that Jenna wants to be in. Her friends, even. You know, this was like a mini intervention where even Heather was like, listen, we just care about you. We don't want to see you get fucked over. You know, that seemed like a very sincere moment when Heather was just like, you know, all of us, whether it feels like we're coming at you or not or whatever, but in all seriousness, we're worried.

[Monica]

No, I respected it, too, because she's.

[Nick]

Just like, yeah, let me just say.

[Monica]

To you what we're all saying behind your back, and then it's all clear.

[Scott]

I think Jen's all also, like, I think she's in survival mode, and I think she's in love.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Because I think, like, she even said before we got to the reunion at the end of the finale, like, this is going to be a bloodbath. Like, I don't like I left someone to be with someone that I love, that supports me for who I am when my last person didn't support me. And it's like she's in a really difficult spot. I don't know.

[Nick]

And do we know much about her original marriage?

[Scott]

I don't. But do, you know, support her?

[Monica]

All I know is that she said that he wouldn't really talk to her, didn't spend time with her. And now since the divorce, course it's that tenfold.

[Nick]

So, I mean, well, it is giving. Right now he is very upset about how she speaks on.

[Joan]

I mean, which all the women were like, you don't speak ill of him at all. Like, we wish honestly that you would speak. She does speak respect. I mean, it is her kid's father. So I think she does recognize that and respect him. I. She's only saying, like, he doesn't pay what he's supposed to court order to pay, which him being a lawyer is really bizarre.

[Nick]

Well, it seems, I would be willing to guess he. He knows what he's doing and it just to make her life difficult and he's dragging it along.

[Scott]

That's why I said she's probably in survival right now.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It is just tough to get on her side, given who she. I mean, whose side she.

[Scott]

I think Bravo's on her. Oh, well, not Bravo's a network, but I think the fan base is dominantly on Jen's side.

[Joan]

I also will say I loved when Andy told Shannon to not say whatever she said to get sued the first time because he was like, you'll get sued again. She's like, no, I won. He was like, oh, you won't.

[Scott]

Well, that's why Alexa's like, she didn't win. And it's like, no, but she did.

[Joan]

Yeah, but I just like Andy, like, protecting them legally, you know?

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, it's time to wrap up. Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget, tomorrow we have an explosive episode of Going Deeper with your favorite new housewife, Brawan Newport. Be sure to check that out. You will not want to miss this episode. Also, on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, we have the hilarious comedian Adam Ray is with us. Plus Candy Muse, you're one of your favorite drag queens from RuPaul's Drag Race. She is also on House of Villains. This season will be having her on as well. All that and so much more. We'll see you then.

[Scott]

Bye.

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