C (4:53)

I don't mean to laugh at you, but no, no we didn't.

D (4:56)

It was actually like a really nice.

C (4:57)

Beautiful sunny year, mid-70s.

D (5:01)

Oh my God. I had like, I. I had an improv show and then afterwards my friends and I, we sat outside, had some more.

A (5:07)

How did your improv show go, Mary? Did anyone from the household come and support and watch you?

D (5:11)

Susie homie, Susie Evans showed up. Everyone else fucking hates me and doesn't like to see me.

A (5:17)

I would have been there, Mary, if I. If I had better Planned to be in LA that weekend.

D (5:23)

No, you just don't.

A (5:24)

I would.

D (5:25)

On.

A (5:25)

I'm shocked that Sierra, Leia, and Justin did not come.

G (5:29)

I was so close.

A (5:31)

So close. Yes.

D (5:33)

Yeah, Leia did.

A (5:34)

Like, you thought about it really hard.

G (5:36)

I texted Mary I was planning on going, but I haven't have had to sign.

D (5:43)

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what you sound like to me right now.

G (5:50)

Stifling a cough or like, start sweating. Like, worst feelings ever. I was. I. I.

A (5:58)

Wait, you sweat from a sneeze when you're.

D (6:02)

You know what would have helped with that?

A (6:03)

So not sneezing makes you break out in sweats.

D (6:06)

Improvised comedy from people with barely any experience.

G (6:09)

When I'm in a situation where I, like, I got a cough or something that I know let that out, I start usually sweating and I feel very anxious.

E (6:19)

Yeah, you're.

F (6:20)

You're.

A (6:20)

That's how I felt on Improv's Dream. Leia, you just be like, what? Give me a word and you'll, like, sneeze and sweat?

G (6:26)

You know, they all would have been like, who's this person who won't.

A (6:29)

You're. You're a content, rich audience member.

D (6:32)

Mm. I think you would have brought a lot of energy to the audience. Well, it would have distracted from me, which is the idea.

E (6:40)

It went fine.

B (6:41)

Mary, I think you did amazing. And I would have loved to know.

D (6:43)

More than a day before I did kind of procrastinate shocker. And Leia and I were invites.

B (6:49)

Leia and I were there every day encouraging you to go to the actual classes. That's when you said you didn't want to go, so we're very proud of you.

A (6:55)

Well, everyone, Natalie does say hi and wishes she could be with you all, but she is home with her mom and our daughter. We're. We're one of the lucky ones. We have. Thankfully, we have natural gas stoves and, like, a natural gas fireplace, so that's been cranking so we have some heat to stay warm. A lot of people affected by the snowstorm do not have those things. And yeah, it's. It's scary out there. So stay safe, stay warm. If you have been affected by the snowstorm, do you guys want to talk about Chrissy Teigen never pooping in front of John Legend?

D (7:32)

I think Leia really wants it about poop.

A (7:40)

Why?

G (7:41)

I have. I have a poll. It's at the top of my mind.

A (7:45)

Yes.

D (7:45)

Yeah.

G (7:46)

I got into an argument with Danny this weekend. He put Louie, by the way, starting.

A (7:57)

What?

B (7:57)

Huge. Wait.

G (7:59)

He's 18 months. The other day, he looked at Danny and he said he was like, have a poo poo. And he looked in his diaper and he was like, do not need to go poo poo. And Lou said, poo, poo. Poo poo. And Danny took him to the toilet and put him down and poop in the toilet.

C (8:15)

Oh, my God.

G (8:16)

He did it again this morning. Sweet genius baby, little toilet.

E (8:21)

What?

A (8:22)

You have a boy genius?

G (8:24)

He's potty training himself.

E (8:25)

I don't know.

G (8:25)

Wow, I'm shocked.

D (8:27)

He is a genius. I love that kid.

A (8:30)

That's impressive.

C (8:31)

Boss baby.

D (8:32)

Boss baby.

C (8:33)

Boss baby on the toilet.

D (8:34)

He kind of looks like the boss baby.

C (8:35)

He kind.

D (8:36)

It does.

G (8:37)

Anyway, so we got into an argument because we were in a public restaurant. Danny put Lou's bare butt on toilet, and I just about had a. And I said, why are you putting my baby sir beautiful butt on a public toilet where everybody else puts their butt. And then Danny said, I've never toilet. And I said.

B (9:02)

Divorce.

A (9:02)

I've never used a toilet seat cover. I've never said, I will cover. We've talked do whatever I can to not use a public restroom. In certain situations, that would necessitate a toilet seat cover.

C (9:14)

But if you had to, you would just go bare bottom.

G (9:17)

Yeah, if you really had to go.

C (9:20)

Yeah. You have no time to make it to a prejudice.

A (9:22)

Well, then clearly I don't have time to. To lay down.

E (9:25)

Yes.

C (9:26)

You always have time.

D (9:27)

I don't know.

G (9:28)

Two seconds, guys.

D (9:30)

I think that's a bit unnecessary.

A (9:32)

Have you ever put your hand. You know, when you're at the airport. Do you know when you're at the airport and you know the. The tracks that kind of help you walk faster? Do you ever put your hand on the rail while you're doing that?

C (9:42)

I'm usually walking.

D (9:45)

My hands exist in my pockets at airports because I like to look suspicious.

A (9:49)

But have you ever put your hand on, like, a rail? What? There's literally most of the people's thighs are sitting on the toilet cover seat while other people's hand are, like, transferring? Like, I'm just saying, objectively speaking, it's more gross to put your hand.

D (10:08)

Hey, Leia, you know how you have had a sinus infection and I've been getting sick a lot? Maybe it's because you use a toilet seat cover and, like, you just haven't.

A (10:15)

Built fully, like, you know, stable. It's too. It's too hygienic.

D (10:20)

Yeah, I think you need to rub a little dirt in it.

B (10:23)

No, Leia, I want you.

C (10:24)

I'm on you. I'm with you.

B (10:24)

I think the germs that you guys are exposing yourself with your hands is totally different than the germs on a toilet seat.

G (10:29)

Still are.

D (10:31)

No, I've been fine.

A (10:32)

How would that listen? I am no doctor, but I don't think that's how you get a uti.

G (10:38)

The lady.

D (10:39)

But you're not sitting in a toilet seat.

G (10:42)

Fine then.

E (10:42)

Worm.

D (10:43)

You're not like worms.

B (10:44)

Butt pimples, but pimples for sure.

A (10:47)

Where exactly are you? I don't. I'm getting. We're getting into the weeds here. But like how again, you're putting your. If you're think about when you sit on a toilet seat, what exactly touches the toilet seat? Your outer thigh? No, no, your butt literally shouldn't be touched. Are you pooping on the seat itself?

G (11:10)

I don't poop.

A (11:12)

Just like Chrissy T. Gets seat, but like it goes in the hole. It goes in the hole.

B (11:18)

It splashes.

A (11:18)

Well, it may splash, Justin. I mean, that's between you and your digestive system. But I'm just simply saying the toilet seat cover ain't helping you with the spl.

G (11:27)

Splash.

E (11:27)

I'm unwell.

D (11:28)

I just feel like I agree with you, Nick. All right, let's move on.

G (11:33)

So, Paul, let us know in the comments.

D (11:36)

Do you think I'm disgusting?

B (11:40)

I do get very irritated when you try to put the COVID down and it like activates the like automatic flush and then you have to redo it and it's like, bro.

D (11:48)

Exactly. Waste of time, waste of paper.

A (11:50)

Hands. And it like sticks to your hand and you're just like. Then you end up touching. You're. Now, you guys, you guys. You know how many times I've touched a toilet seat, a public toilet seat cover with my bare hands? Zero. Because I'm not dumb enough to be like, how do I put this thing on a toilet seat? Okay, anyway, why did we even bring this up?

G (12:10)

The reason I bring this up is because Chrissy Teigen and John Legend tell us how they keep their 12 year spark alive. And it's because doesn't fart or poop, as she jokingly put it. For all knows, I have never farted.

F (12:27)

And.

G (12:32)

I make.

D (12:35)

This sounds like a lot of work once you put a ring on it.

A (12:38)

A lot of work. Guys, if. I mean, if this is a lot of work to you, then how are you going to get through a marriage?

D (12:43)

I mean, I never said I was built that way.

G (12:46)

Yeah, well, I get through my marriage by pooping. In front of my husband.

A (12:51)

In front.

D (12:52)

Well, have you guys ever seen those? Like, his and hers, little, like, tandem?

A (12:57)

What do you mean if he needs to go in there? Like, what? There's no. How many bathrooms do you have, Leia?

G (13:02)

But if I did. I have two bathrooms, but now one of them, which can easily come off, but I'm too late.

A (13:11)

Okay, but. But again. Well, if Danny needs to use the restroom and you're in the restroom, doesn't he have to wait his turn? Anyways? I'm just running. What's the situation where he can't possibly wait? Where he needs to walk in while you're sitting on the can?

G (13:27)

Well, let's reverse and I need to, like, grab. I'll run in there, grab my stuff.

A (13:36)

Nally never talks about it. She's very. She's very Chrissy Teigen coded. And the. You just don't talk about it. When I use the restroom, if I have to pee, it's like, I gotta go. I gotta go pee. And then otherwise, it's like, I need to use the restroom. And then Natalie. Natalie will try to, like, out me. She's like, do you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, what are you. What are you talking about?

D (14:00)

I've never done that.

A (14:00)

We play dumb. We pretend it doesn't exist.

D (14:03)

I think that's a good way to do it because it's like you're still able. Yeah, it's like you're still able to process what you need to process internally, biologically, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But you do get to be little tongue in cheek about it and keep that spark alive.

A (14:18)

But then river outed me. We were in an area where a fart was heard.

C (14:24)

She's right there.

A (14:25)

I won't say by whom. And river was like, dada. And it wasn't me, but river basically was like, hey. River was like, hey. When I. When. When dad and I wake up in the morning, he makes coffee and feeds me breakfast. Apparently he's. You know, it's like, river's the tree in the woods that you think no one's listening. And my daughter was. And she told the world.

D (14:52)

And then you just told even more of the world.

G (14:54)

Right now, kids and dogs are great.

E (14:58)

Yeah.

B (15:01)

Someone say you're evil, Leah?

E (15:02)

Yeah.

D (15:03)

Do you guys know what else is going on?

C (15:04)

What else is going on there?

D (15:05)

I'm sure you've heard that Blake Lively and Taylor Swift's texts have been released, and I'm sure everyone here has thoughts on it.

B (15:13)

All of these Text messages are as wild.

D (15:14)

You know, sometimes if my text with.

G (15:17)

My best friend killed, I would. I would. I would have.

D (15:20)

I would go to jail.

C (15:23)

Yeah, Literally, I would go.

A (15:24)

These texts were, like, quite, like, sweet and endearing. I know you had Blake Lively, you know, have we ever not felt like you got, you know, a little disconnected for whatever reason from your friend? And it's. I mean, I don't think we need to read all the texts that are out there, and many of you have read them, but it was like, basically Blake reaching out to Taylor, being like, hey, listen, I feel a little disconnect between us. I know I've had a lot going on. Referencing the Justin Baldoni drama of it all and acknowledging that she's kind of probably like, been a little focused on her personal drama, which, like, how many of us wish we had friends who would recognize when they were kind of, like, going through it? And, you know, it's like, because often when we have, like, drama in our life that's really, like, weighing us down, we often, like, feel justified to, like, kind of, like, center our own emotions and feelings and forget about the people around us, which is, like, very human and common to do. But, like, then she goes and recognizes it, brings it up, and then Taylor, like, her response was very like, yeah, you've kind of been like that. But I can, like, I empathize because I've been there before. At no point is there are they, like, scheming as all the Justin Baldoni trolls and stands. Like, it was like, somehow they've turned this narrative into, like, you know, basically trying to pit Taylor and Blake against each other and all this trauma. And you have these. This kind of very sweet exchange between two friends. One of them going through it, the other person, like, you know, recognizing that and just, like, having, like, an honest conversation. It was, like, kind of endearing in a way that I don't think most people appreciate.

D (17:01)

The one thing I really want to say about this is that if it is wrong to text your girl and call a man a bitch, arrest me, literally, because I'm doing much. I'm doing much worse than that.

A (17:12)

Listen, again, the Justin. The Justin Bononi stands and trolls are like, cherry picking stuff is like, well, Taylor called Justin a bitch. Like, okay, like, maybe he was being a jerk. It was like, oh, allegedly Ryan Reynolds made fun of Mock Justin Baldonia's movie. It's like, what would you do if someone your wife was working with was making her feel uncomfortable and creepy and then launched a online PR smear campaign, which Justin has pointed out several times, like, isn't even, like, debated at this point. Like, the company tag. The company that Scooter Braun, I think, is either owns or associated with.

B (17:53)

Allegedly.

A (17:53)

I'm not, you know, don't quote me on that. Scoot. But scoot as, like, that same PR company has now been linked. Linked to other smear campaigns around the globe. It was just like, again, I keep saying this because I think it's so scary that, like, people can do this and people can create inorganic smear campaigns against regular people or against their competitors. And the fact that, like, you know, we've seen the traders PR obviously release that statement. We'll get into it shortly. But I think it's just like the world of online bullying and the way these smear campaigns get created and the way it's all very inorganic and it's just so easy how narratives can be changed online. And when you actually have companies that specialize in doing this, it should. It should scare all of us. But anyways, it was kind of cool to see those two friends, like, hash out a disconnect in a way that I think all of us can relate to.

B (18:55)

I will say we did discuss this in depth on plus, so please listen if you're not. But will say these texts do confirm that it was kind of premeditated for Taylor to be in the room for that one that they referenced. That being said, like, I think that doesn't negate the whole conversation of retaliation and the fact that Blake was in a position that she knew.

A (19:13)

Yeah, but I don't. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't. Why is that even, like, something that's like, oh, Ryan Reynolds made fun of Justin Baldoni. It's just like, okay, yeah, so a friend was there to support her friend at a time where she was, like, from a guy who, like, often made her feel uncomfortable.

D (19:30)

My big thing with this case is just like, why is it I think we should be pro when some guy is being really fucking weird and gross to every single woman he's around making fun of him.

B (19:44)

Yeah. Also, Melissa Nathan saying that she's. That Perez Hilton is in her circle, a BF Trust.

E (19:49)

Yikes.

B (19:50)

I feel like that says a lot within itself, but we can leave that there.

A (19:53)

Well, yeah. I mean, like, again, it's like, it's the. The. The world of these, like, crisis PRs. It's a. It's a dirty, dirty world. And, like, a lot of, like, the public figures who have been pro, Justin, they're all associated with his lawyer, every single one of them. And it's those same people who are out there like alleging that like it's that that everything they're accusing Blake of is literally what they're doing for Justin. It's kind of crazy. Our next guest is Daria Baronado and she has a very fascinating you WWE fans out there. You certainly know the name. She has recently left the WWE and is now with TNA continuing her wrestling career. And I think there's a lot of speculation as to why she left wwe. She also has a absolutely insane story. That trigger warning has a little bit of darkness to it. It does involve a stalker, but it was. She's very open about what happened with that experience and was gracious enough to share her very insane story with us and kind of the fallout and give a little insight of what like to be on that end of that situation. She's also a huge fan of this season of the Traitor. So we get into episode six with her and talk about some of our favorite things from the past episode. Also, we have a very exciting going deeper this Wednesday. Seth Rollins and his wife Becky lynch, another professional wrestler, join us to talk about the world of professional wrestling. It's honestly it's like the OG reality TV and world where they have like heroes and villains. It's a very fascinating world and many of you I know are WWE fans and they this is a couple that met on the job and now they're the biggest, some of the biggest wrestlers in the WWE space and they are with us for a really exciting and a very new going deeper this Wednesday. But we are sticking in the wrestling world and Daria's up next. Parenting can be full of daily battles, especially around food. And that's why we are so grateful that we have Thrive Market in our life. You know, Natalie and I are very conscious about what we eat more and more and certainly more conscious about what our daughter river eats. And Thrive Market makes it so much easier to have healthy, great tasting snacks for both us and our daughter. No trade offs when it comes to Thrive Market. Kids want Mac and cheese, sugary snacks, juice boxes, and it always seems like they're gonna eat what they're gonna eat. Well, Thrive Market gives you versions with less sugar free, fewer sketchy ingredients and more nutrition. So you can say yes to say goodbye to what it feels like being mean. Parents constantly saying no. Guys, you know that running a home is already hard enough and it's like you can waste so much time at a grocery store label shopping. Well, the good news is when it comes to Thrive Market, they just make it easy. Thrive Market does the vetting for you with 1,000 plus restricted ingredients, vetted brands and trusted staples. Thrive app makes it easier for you to shop for your family's needs without endless label reading using their 90 plus restaurants filters, high protein, low sugar, gluten free, plant based etc. Whatever you're looking for. Thrive Market makes it easy to shop for your family. Also clean ingredients with less stress. Thrive Market is free from 600 sketchy ingredients, making it a trustworthy space for parents. No guessing, no googling, no aisle squinting. We've been loving all the great snacks, especially the lesser evil popcorn. That's something obviously more for me and Natalie, but we do love it and it is healthier for us. So join Thrive Market with our link thrivemarket.com V I A L L for 30% off your first order plus a free $60 gift. Daria, welcome to the show. How are you?

E (23:30)

I'm good, thanks for having me.

A (23:31)

Super excited to have you. Lots to get into both with your journey in the professional wrestling space. And obviously I know you're watching Traders, so I'm really curious about what you have to say about the world of the Traders, both like in on the show and like a lot of the discourse that is happening outside of the show with like the cyberbullying and the comments that Traders USA has made and things like that. I'm very fascinated with the world of wwe. I kind of refer it to as like the original reality tv. When I was a kid growing up watching it in the days of like Macho Man, Randy Savage and Jake the Snake Roberts and people like that, it was like we kind of knew it was fake, but they wouldn't really talk about it. You know, in a sense it was like it was real.

E (24:13)

Yeah.

A (24:13)

And I feel like reality tv, when it originated it was like, you know, it was real. But like no one wanted to talk about some of the inauthenticity of reality TV and how it worked. And it's kind of fascinating now that in the W, in the wrestling, people talk about like the word like heel, Right? Like you're a villain in that space and like fans know about it. Have you been or were you a heel or have you gone back and forth in your space?

E (24:42)

So many things to say. First of all, I'm so hooked on Traders right now. It's disturbing. I'm currently watching three of the seasons simultaneously, which. Whoa. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest idea. I started the newest season and then I caught up. And I was upset that I couldn't watch anymore since last Thursday. And then I started season three and then my manager wanted to watch with me, so I started season two with him. And so now I'm like, scattered all over the board. But to answer your other question, I was a heel and am a heel my entire career.

A (25:12)

Oh, your entire career.

E (25:13)

My entire career, all 10 and a half years of it. And I have never been a babyface. And I don't care to be. It's so much more fun to be hated than it is to attempt to be liked. Like, that sounds horrifying to me. It's like stand up comedy. Like, let me get up there and try to make you like me and laugh. That sounds horrifying.

A (25:30)

So I'm curious, how do, how do fans in that space engage with you? Because, like, you know, for example, in my world, right, like I went, you know, a long time, I was the bat, I went on the Bachelor, I was the villain. I didn't try to be, didn't want to. And you go into this space like, you know, kind of just hoping people don't hate your fucking guts.

E (25:49)

Oh, right.

A (25:50)

And then people are like, I hate your fucking guts. And like, they're just like tearing you to shreds. And it really obviously can affect your mental health. I mean, over the years, I've gotten much better at like, you know, like, I've, I disconnect, I just check out, I go to my family, I do my thing. But like, it's hard, but like, I guess as a heel is a villain in wrestling. Are fans engaging with you as the bad person and you just have gotten good, like myself at disconnecting from that reality, or are fans, like, do they root for you and like you as a bad guy or. Or is it a little bit of both?

E (26:25)

So it's very 5050 in the wrestling world. You have the fans who truly believe you, you're a piece of shit and they're gonna hate you. And, you know, I've gotten death threats, I've gotten, you know, hate mail, and then there's the other 50% that appreciate the good acting and, you know, enjoy booing you out of the building. And so it's very 50 50. And like I said, I've never been a good guy. And I had this really weird moment. I just re debuted in the wrestling company TNA two weeks ago now. And I did this thing where I came out pretending to be a good guy for the first time ever. And I didn't know if the Fans were gonna buy it and they bought it and they were cheering for me and, and it. And then like 30 seconds into me cutting a promo, I turned on them again. And it was the weirdest 30 seconds of my life. Cause I was like, oh my God, this is what it feels like to be like, so, like, it's so unrelatable for me. And then when I turned on them and they were all booing me, I was like, yeah, this is what I like. But it is very different from what you experienced because that was like them hating your natural, like, you. Whereas me.

A (27:33)

Oh yeah. Or like the.

B (27:34)

Or.

A (27:34)

Or the, the you that the tv, the me that the. The networks decided their version of, so to speak.

E (27:40)

And I've dealt with that. You know, I did Total Divas and Tough Enough I did reality tv and I dealt with that too, where it's like, oh, they really are disliking this version of me that has been put out there. And that can be different. But yeah, with wrestling, no, I embrace the hate.

A (27:53)

Well, for all the WWE fans who are sad to see you leave that world, I know there's been a lot of like, discourse and speculation on why you left WWWE to join TNA. And I was just curious, like, do you have any like, theories, feelings, or is it just more like a business decision? And it is what it is.

E (28:13)

Well, so I was with WWE for like nine and a half years and my contract was coming to an end and we were in negotiations to resign. I was under the impression that we were resigning and I was told that. And then at the ninth hour, I got a call and they were like, hey, we decided we're. We're not going to do that anymore. And so I was as surprised as, as anybody else was. But that being said, I'm very like, everything happens for a reason. And I know it sounds like cliche or whatever, but I really do believe that. And so I was like, like, okay, it wasn't meant to be. I have so many dreams, so many things I want to do. And being with tna, we just got a TV deal. We're on AMC every Thursday night now for TNA Impact. And you can also. I can also do so many other things. I have the freedom time wise and also contractually that I can still act and do my podcast and do all the other things I enjoy doing. So it's kind of like best of both worlds right now. It's a good spot for me.

A (29:06)

Well, that's. Yeah, a lot of more flexibility and freedom. And what's different about the TNA world and the WWE world, other than a lot more freedom for. To. For you to, like, pursue other endeavors.

E (29:17)

Yeah, I mean, TNA has been around since, like, 2002, so it's one of, like, the longest standing wrestling companies there is. So, like, there's people that have been there for a decade, decades, and they just got this big TV deal. So it's kind of like a really hungry environment. Everyone's like, we effing did this. And I'm kind of coming in as the new guy now. I mean, obviously having my tenure somewhere else. But it's. It's exciting. It's a lot of people from WWE that are there that I knew from our time together before, and then it's a lot of new people that I've never met before. So it's interesting, but it's like everyone's trying to, like, make it. It's like a fire in the locker room.

A (29:55)

You have this very crazy, dark story of this stalker. Is that. Are you comfortable talking about that?

E (30:03)

Yeah, yeah, that's fine. He's in jail.

A (30:06)

Well, you. Yeah, you had this crazy situation. I mean, like, it's one thing, you know, to have, like, an online stalker, and that can make you feel really uncomfortable. But you had literally someone. Am I reading, like, break into your house?

E (30:19)

Yeah.

A (30:20)

Like, can you shed some light on that and how that all went to be? And like, I guess, like, what. Was there any lesson that you learned from that experience?

E (30:27)

Get a dog and get a gun.

A (30:28)

Yeah, right.

E (30:30)

No, I'm kidding. But. But not really. But, yeah, I was in my house in Tampa. My best friend Mandy, who was also part of the WWE roster at the time, was sleeping over. Iron. Thank God I wasn't alone. And, yeah, it's really creepy. We were hanging out on the couch watching Bates Motel for hours, which, if that doesn't set the vibe. Oh, my God. I know.

A (30:53)

God.

E (30:54)

I look back at that and I'm like, I'll never watch that show again. But anyway, so we're just, like, hanging out, having a good night. Almost like an eerily good night. And we were falling asleep on the couch. It was like, midnight maybe. And I was gonna just let us sleep on my couch. And then I was like, you know what? No, let's go to bed. So I was like, mandy, get up. Come on. Go in the guest bedroom. And I went. And in my bedroom. And it's so funny because I always sleep with the TV on, but that night, I. I was, like, so tired, and I was like, oh, I don't need the tv. On. But I did grab my phone and go to my ADT app and set my alarm, which I'd been lazy some nights and not done that.

A (31:30)

Sure, yeah.

E (31:31)

So I set my alarm, then I threw my phone in my bed, and it's pitch black, and I go to sleep, and then two hours later, the alarm's going off. And, you know, it's like that blaring alarm.

A (31:41)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

E (31:42)

So I immediately pop out of bed, and I'm like, what the hell? And it's dark, and I can't find my phone. And so I run to the ADT panel on the wall, and it says, living room door open. And I'm like, oh, Mandy must have gone outside to talk to you.

F (31:56)

Yeah.

A (31:56)

Or maybe I didn't fully close it completely, right?

E (31:58)

Like. Or the wind or like, something. But there's sliding glass doors and whatever. So the first thing I do is run to Mandy's room to make sure it's her that's outside. And I'm like, mandy, Mandy, Mandy. And she's like, what? And she's half asleep in bed, and I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, stay here. Someone's in the house. And so I just. I just then had that instinct. So I run to the kitchen. I turn on all the lights, and there's blinds drawn across the two doors that it could be. They're both sliding glass doors. They're perpendicular to each other, and they both have curtains drawn on them, so I can't see which one is open. So I don't know why this was my instinct. But I go to the doors to lock them or make sure they're locked, because surely anyone that's there will now have ran because the alarm system's going off is what I'm thinking. And so I peel back the curtain to the door that I always use, and I'm like, making sure the lock is pushed up. And I look up, and he's. A man is right there on the other side of the sliding glass door.

A (32:57)

Oh, my God.

E (32:58)

So I'm like, holy shit. So I just start, like, yelling towards him, thinking, like, obviously, it's a robbery. He hears the alarm going off. He now sees the homeowner, like, surely he's going to run. And he walks one step toward me, and there's the glass door in between us. And I'm like, holy shit. This is not a robbery. So I run. I had indoor cameras, so if you go on YouTube, you can find this video. There's a video when I run the other door was the one he had open. So he just crosses through the curtains and comes in after me. But that one second of blind spot that he had to cross through the curtain. He thought I ran up the staircase, but I had ran right behind the staircase to grab Mandy and run out the garage. So five seconds later, when the cops get there, he's standing at the bottom of the staircase with knife in one hand and pepper spray in the other hand, looking up. They fucking tackle him. We're outside of my car, you know, I, like, peeled out of the driveway in my car, went around the block, came back, cops are guns drawn in my garage. They're like, is this your house? And I'm like, yeah. They're like, stay the fuck back. And I'm like, oh, my God. And I'm still not, like, understanding what's happening. So, long story short, two seconds later, we're sitting in my car watching my house with the headlights pointed on my front yard, and they come out with a man, like, wiggling in handcuffs. And I'm like, what the hell is going on? The cops go right into the police car, and I guess start just, like, giving him basic questions, trying to figure out what happened.

A (34:32)

Yeah.

E (34:33)

And they come back to us 10 minutes later, and they're like, what do you guys do for a living? Oh, I. We wrestle wwe. And they're like. And the guy's like, oh, I don't really know what that is. And I'm like, oh, the Rock. John Cena. Like, he's like, oh, okay. He's like, well, he's saying, you guys are friends, but he keeps bringing up wrestling. And I'm like, what is this guy's name? First thing, I'm like, what is this guy's name? Let me look him up on my Instagram. Long story short, he had been messaging me for, like, four years. And then essentially, it led to his last message. We found was, I'm finally here. I'm on your back patio. Oh, my God. I'm gonna see you soon, and I'm gonna kill that bitch inside side with you. So. And if you go back to read the messages chronologically, as I, of course, had to do for the cops and everything later, you see that he had been telling me in my messages for years, I'm coming. He drove down from South Carolina. He worked at Applebee's. He saved up money for gas to get from South Carolina to Florida. He parked in a church a mile from my house. Army crawled behind the wetlands through my gated. Cause it was a gated Community. But the wetlands weren't gated, so we army crawled through the wetlands.

D (35:49)

Oh my God.

E (35:50)

Cut a hole in my screened in lanai. I mean, like it was very premeditated, very planned out and did, I mean, what.

A (35:57)

Do you know what happened with this guy?

E (35:59)

Oh, yeah, of course. We, we were about to go to trial two, two years ago now, and then he took like the highest plea my team gave him, which we, we just threw it out there as like a man. If he takes this, this'll be great, but if not, let's go to trial. He's guilty as all hell. It'll be easy. But he took a 15 year deal, so he's in jail for 15 years.

A (36:21)

Geez.

C (36:22)

That's literally what I'm saying.

A (36:23)

Well, I'm so sorry that happened to you, first of all. But like, how does, how does you know my wife, who obviously couldn't be here today, but like, she just. The idea there, you know, like, people talk about intruder syndrome and you know, I've had friends, you know, obviously who live in LA who've had their, their house broken into. Thankfully, when they're not there, you know, just like a ride and just that feeling of like someone kind of knowing you live and, and being willing to do that obviously can truly, you know, affect your psyche and mental health. How did you work through that trauma? That, that obviously must have been very debilitating and scary.

E (36:56)

Yeah, I don't know that I'm very good at like that. I don't know that I really like sat and worked through it, but organically the process for me was. Yeah, like initially I was paranoid as hell for like the first year. After I would like sleep, I went and got my right to carry in Florida. And I would sleep like gun in hand every single night. I wouldn't go to sleep till the sun came up. And I lived like that for a long time. And then I got really exhausted and was like, okay, I can't sustain this. And so then I got my Rottweiler and you know, I got a roommate which was kind of like really important to me at that point. Like, I was like, I, I don't think I can live alone for a minute. Um, just. Yeah, just being in a house alone just was the thing that kind of freaked me out. And so, yeah, and then, you know, I just woke up one day and I just was kind of over it. And I was like, you know what? I'm really frigging lucky. So many women and people in general get stalked for years and it's very hard to prosecute a stalker until they kind of cross that threshold. They. It gets into the legalities. And so I consider myself lucky that this dude was dumb enough to go for it and thankfully failed and now he's in jail. So I look at myself as like one of the best case scenarios. Whereas people deal with stalkers like putting in their mailbox, showing up on their property for years and can't prosecute them.

C (38:14)

Because they didn't make a threat to their lives.

E (38:16)

Right. And like, sir. And I think the laws around that need to change as well because it's a bunch of.

G (38:22)

Fully agreed.

A (38:23)

Yeah, that's a crazy story.

E (38:25)

It's wild.

A (38:26)

But yeah, to your point, I think it's, yeah, we, you know, it's something you hear about but not know much about. And to your. That last part is, is fascinating because. Yeah, I mean, I think it does happen where people experience similar behaviors against them and, and don't feel safe knowing that the person who did that to them is still out there.

E (38:48)

Yeah, I mean the, the laws are wacky. It's like you can't get a restraining order against someone unless you're in, in a relationship with them. At least that's how it works in the state of New Jersey. And so what? And then you have to get this Vaspa order, but then when you give the Vaspa order, it'll come from your hometown court. So then they'll. If they don't know exactly where you live like now, they will. And so, yeah, there's just a lot of stuff. I've, I've been speaking with officials and law enforcement for a while now, trying to work on some of this. But that's what's to come in the future, hopefully.

C (39:20)

Like, how are you able to compartmentalize? Because your job, right, where you're saying that you're used to people kind of associating you with being a villain and then you have an experience like that where it's like, but you're also a public figure where your job is to be very out there. Like, how do you compartmentalize your mental health and your safety plus how you interact with fans?

E (39:39)

Yeah, I don't know that I'm the best example of this. I, I really like, I look at that as a one off experience. I look at that as like, that's the bad apple. And I don't just lump all fans. Like, I love my fans and I'm still the schmuck that like at the airport, if 10 of them would come up to me, like, I. I'm signing all of their autographs, and a lot of people frown upon that, or some people don't do it or they hate it. And I do understand, like, yeah, when I'm, like, eyes crusted shut at 6am at the airport, do I want to stop and take pictures? No. But I still will. And so I. I really don't have any kind of, like, jaded animosity towards fans. You know, it's. It's one bad apple. And, you know, I won't lie. I've had situations since that were creepy and stalkerish and, Yeah, I hate those. But I'm not gonna like, out my entire fan base because of a few bad ones. You know, there's great fans that support. Have supported me since day one, and so, yeah, I just think people in general can be shitty. Right, Right.

C (40:34)

You know, can't hold one accountable.

A (40:36)

Well, speaking of shitty people, unfortunately, the cast of Traders is under some crazy fire, and there's some online bullying and cyberbullying going on.

E (40:47)

I just need to point out my favorite part of Traitors this season because we talked about the cast a little bit. Lisa fucking Rena is my favorite person in the entire world. A. I. Well, she's iconic. We know that. But, like, I love that she knows she's iconic.

C (41:01)

Yeah.

D (41:01)

And fucking Rena.

E (41:03)

Lisa fucking Rena. Harry Hamlet.

A (41:05)

Like, she's so former Sexiest man Alive, People magazine.

E (41:09)

I know. I know. Yeah. No, she's amazing. She makes the show for me. I love Rob. What's his name? Snake Guy. Rob Roush. He's handsome. He's charming. He's playing it so well. Like, I think he's great.

C (41:23)

Did you see Lisa's commentary on Rob where she was like, his charm doesn't work on me because I'm married to Harry Hamlet.

E (41:28)

I mean, it's so good. She's so good, and she's so right. Like, I love it. Yeah. And, like, what's his rappaport? Yep. Michael, listen, you know this. In reality shows, you need the polarizing characters, even if they annoy the crap out of you or if they're obnoxious. Like, you need them. And I think sprinkling them in there is great for the show. And, you know, of course, he wasn't gonna make it very far. I think he made a lot of enemies really quick. The one of the funniest things is the shoveling the food off the plate is great. It gets me, like, doubled over. Like, I can't handle it. It's so great. Right. It's one of my favorite things ever. What was another funny bit? Oh. When Rob corrects him for not knowing the right definition of commiserate.

A (42:17)

Commiserate. And then Michael's like, no, it's not. And it's like, bro, yeah.

E (42:22)

Rob said it was such conviction that the second time Michael was like, all right, maybe I should back off. He probably does know what it means more than I do. But like, moments like that, like, that's reality TV gold. Yes. So like it. You know, you need the baby faces and you need the heels. And so, you know, I think all in good fun. It's. This season is amazing for me when.

A (42:41)

Underwood went up to Rena and was like, you know, he's out there just throwing accusations at every single person without, like, much behind it. So I don't think he gets much props for actually guessing Rena. Right. Because it's like all his other. It's like, eventually you're gonna get to someone who's a traitor if you just go down the list and like, kill em all. You know, what's the saying? A broken clock writes is right twice a day. And like, you know, he's playing the broken clock strategy. And which is why, like, it's, you know, like, I think most people, when they go, if they imagine the opportunity to go on, traders would like to, like, you. You what? What's the goal? Right. If you're a faithful, you hope to figure out who the traders are. Right. And then you shouldn't tell anyone. Right. Like, you should try to find. Make alliances with these people but not tell them. And Rena was right for not believing him because, like, he was already lying because he had already told how many other people.

E (43:40)

Yeah.

A (43:41)

That he thought Rena was a traitor. And then he goes up to Rena and approaches her like, hey, listen, I figured it out. Don't tell anyone, but like, let's make alliances.

E (43:50)

It's like, I think he's trying to be slick and like, do something never been done before and be innovative and all this stuff. And, you know, but if he actually.

A (44:00)

Knew she was a traitor and really believed it and actually had like real evidence and a real conviction, then I don't think he would have gone up to anyone else and told them Renault was a traitor. I think he would have just like, just make alliances with Rena rather than playing both sides to the.

E (44:17)

Well, there is. There is the vantage point of, you know, when you publicly say you think someone's a traitor, you're kind of safe that night. Next murder because they're afraid to murder you because it's too obvious. Right. That's a whole, like, strategy. I don't know. I'm just learning. But I. I don't know. But I think I kill it as a faithful. I. I don't. I wouldn't want to be a traitor.

A (44:37)

Yeah.

E (44:37)

I want to be a faithful. And, like, you know, you see people go on every season, and their whole claim to fame of why they're going to win is, I'm such a good judge of character. But then, like, you see them be, like, the worst judge of character, and you see them, like. I mean, like. Like Tom Sandoval, like, Like in his season, he was, like, so adamant about so many people, and he's, like, kind of always wrong until the end.

C (44:56)

They were like, all right, sweetie, just sit down.

E (44:58)

I mean, that was some of the funniest.

A (44:59)

Oh, my God.

E (45:00)

That was some of the funniest TV as well. But no, like, I'm actually a wild, good judge of character. And I feel like I'd up the traitors. I feel like I'd just be able to pick them out.

D (45:09)

You recognize a heel.

E (45:11)

I'd.

A (45:11)

I'd want to be a faithful.

E (45:13)

You'd want to be a faithful, Right. Being a traitor. There's too much. I'm just.

A (45:16)

I feel like I'm just a really, you know, I. I think I'm a bad liar. I think, you know, like, I. I think, well, whether I'm a faithful or traitor, I think if, like, I'm getting accused, I think I would just look guilty. I just don't think. Right. It's like, what do you say? It's like. Like, how do I. How do I deny that I'm not something. How do I deny something I can't prove 100%?

E (45:38)

And I. When I get nervous, I, like, will laugh.

A (45:41)

Yeah.

E (45:42)

And so if someone's, like, really pressing me and I'll be a faithful, they're like, you're a traitor. I'd be like, I just start awkwardly laughing, and then I would look guilty as hell, and I would get banished.

C (45:52)

Well, even with the whole thing that happened with Ron, that was kind of crazy, where it was like, he was like, I am a faithful. And then he was like, I'm not gonna waste my time defending myself. I'm gonna go down and tell each of you, like, what I loved about being on this experience with you.

A (46:02)

I love that he did that. I thought it was so charming.

C (46:04)

And the fact that they still were like. They were like, he has to Be a faithful. No traitor would do this. And then they still vote him out and he's a faithful. And I'm like, you guys.

A (46:14)

Here'S what I don't get. It's like, yeah, how did Ron get kicked off? Because I get it. He had like a bad rap.

E (46:20)

How.

A (46:20)

I don't know, leading up to, you know, that, that turret. Not the turret. The round table.

E (46:25)

The round table. Yeah.

A (46:26)

And, and the episode started with Johnny Rear kind of like building a coalition against Colton.

D (46:32)

I think they got too scared to get Colton.

E (46:35)

I agree.

A (46:35)

By whose standards? I, you know, I, you know what I want to see on Traders one day?

E (46:39)

What?

A (46:40)

And I feel like they could have done it with Michael, which they kind of, they kind of did it with Michael but for like more it was, it was less strategic and more they, they did it because they just like hated them.

E (46:51)

Yeah.

A (46:51)

Personal.

E (46:52)

Personal, for sure.

A (46:52)

It was less strategic. But with Colton, I want someone to be like, yo, to be honest, I don't think you're a faithful. But what I think you are is a huge distraction to the faithful and you don't work with the faithfuls. And I think if I were a traitor, I would want to keep you around by how you're going around accusing a bunch of people. So I think us faithful should vote your ass out because, like, you're not, you're, you're just. You only think about yourself. And I would, I would want, I want to see that. I want to see them not like, because I, And I think sometimes they get wrapped up because, like, I don't think Colton's playing like a traitor. Traders aren't usually that aggressive. You know what I'm saying? They're a little more. And I think he's just, he's just kind of bullying and dominating the house with his big personality.

E (47:41)

I think it's gonna happen.

A (47:42)

Distraction.

E (47:43)

So I think you're right and I think they're onto that and I think it's gonna happen. But there's something about this game. When there's low hanging fruit, you kind of gotta just pick it because it's a numbers game. Right. And it's like there can't be.

A (47:55)

But. Yeah, but I'm just confused how. How was Colton able to get that many votes for Lisa and then where was Johnny in his coalition? Did anyone vote for Colton?

E (48:05)

No, they fell apart. I mean, it's, that's why when they make the promises earlier in the day, I'm like, yeah, we'll see what happens when you get to. Because I think the round table is like the strong persevere. We see it time and time again, whoever has the strongest personality, because a lot of people sitting at that table, they don't want to be the outlier, they don't want to be the dick that says, I think it's this random person we never spoke about because then they get shit on. And I think a lot of what this game comes down to and another reason I think I'd be great at it is because everyone is so scared to say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing or look like the asshole. Except for the couple that like want to look like the asshole. But like, like most people don't want to stand out at the round table. They kind of want to be like what does everyone else think? And so I think there's something to when they get to the roundtable, whoever speaks first kind of rules the vote.

C (48:52)

When you watch what happens too is because the entire roundtable backfires. Heaven forbid. You are the one leading the crusade and you're wrong. Like Ron, you will hold on to that forever unless you are a likable, personable person that people kind of like give you a pass.

E (49:04)

Uh huh. And you know what's weird about this game to me too, that I was watching at first, like now I get get it. But it gets like borderline like really personal and like they can get really mean. And I'm, I'm sitting here watching going, it's a game, just have fun, you know. And I get, I get it. That makes good tv. But like I do think sometimes it gets a little too like catty.

C (49:22)

Well, it's interesting for like someone like Ron versus Rob, right? Because they're both like quiet, kind of keep to themselves personalities. But there's something about Ron that rubs everybody the wrong way, that he's suspicious, but he's just saying I, when I have a conviction, I say what I say. Or else I kind of of step back. But because he was so adamant at that first round table, they never let that go. But then Rob doesn't really make any strong convictions. He's friendly with everybody and no one's like, he doesn't blame anybody, everybody likes him. He be a good trader.

E (49:49)

I know.

C (49:50)

I think the only person who kind of thought that was Ron when he told him while they're playing chess, I kind of think you would be a great trader. And Rob's like, I want to save you.

E (49:58)

By the way, Rob say the, the cringe in my body when Rob goes, goes, has anyone said my name? Yet does anyone think. And I was like, no, you've been playing such a strong game up until this point. And that is like the one comment. And I know he like trusted Ron, so he thought he could just say it to Ron. But watching as a viewer from home, I'm like, why would you say that?

C (50:16)

And even when Rob voted for Lisa, I, I, my, my jaw dropped.

E (50:21)

Yeah.

C (50:21)

Like, I was literally like staring at the tv like.

A (50:24)

But honestly, it was a smart move.

E (50:26)

It was.

A (50:27)

Yeah, that was, I mean, he had to. I think Rob's playing a perfect game and I think it was a smart move and his explanation made a lot of sense. The big question is, yeah, well, Candace and Rena, like, get it right. Will they be able to, you know, because how many Listen, and this happens every round table, right? You know, sometimes like a Ron situation, it's like, okay, they catch a couple, they catch some strays, they get some heat and there's like a build up to like, all right, he's finally going home. Right? And also, let's be real, like, this is like, it's reality TV is always very high school. There's a lot of like, you know.

E (51:02)

Yeah.

A (51:03)

Social dynamics at play. And I think Ron wasn't, you know, more introverted. You know, he, he made, he wasn't the popular person in the house. He made some, he made lesser meaningful relationships like with Rob and maybe I think he was friends with Donna.

C (51:21)

Kelsey.

A (51:22)

Donna.

E (51:22)

Yeah.

A (51:23)

But like, you know, it's like, hey, I made, I made two quality friends from this experience. That's a win for me. I'm gonna go home with two more friends as opposed to like, like working on and trying to be the most popular person in the house. And I think again, like, Rob's popular for whatever reason and Ron is this, like, has kept to himself and it, and is a little like sassy and snarky and like, it was just easier to vote Ron. Ron home. But my, I guess my point of saying all this is that like, it does happen a lot where someone's name gets brought up and then like, somehow they get complete, like the, the, the, the accusation shifts, right? Like, like, it's like, remember two weeks ago when we thought like, Eric was the traitor and like, we've all kind of dropped at. So I think Rob can, like, he's thinking, all right, I'm just gonna say Rena and then he can like, if, if they're strategic about it and it'll be interesting to see how he goes about it and if he's able to Pull it off to, like, be like, yeah, you know, I yeah, Colton made some accusations for. For Rena, but, like, I'm not so sure anymore, you know? And like, to his point, maybe he can change how much he. He trusts or not trust Colton and things like that. But, like, I. I thought Rob was really smart to say, like, this is, you know, we. We're not. This is not the last week of this game.

E (52:38)

Yeah.

A (52:39)

So let's think a few moves ahead. It'll be really interesting to see if they could pull it off. I do feel like, do you guys, anyone else think that, like, Rena's kind of cracking a little bit with the heat being on her or do you think that's clever editing?

E (52:51)

No. So I think she. She has a bold personality and I think think if she was a faithful, she should react that way, too. So, like, I don't know that she's like, giving herself up, but I would hate to be a traitor where someone the heats on me cuz, like, oh, my God.

A (53:06)

Right? How? Like, no, you're like, no.

E (53:09)

Like, how do you deny it sincerely? And like, what does the denial of actual faithful look like compared to a trader? It's like so much thinking kind of hurts my brain a lot of spinning.

C (53:17)

Because, like, that's what I would think. Like, for if I were in run a situation, how can I spin this Colton situation to where I don't look like a traitor, but I would be like. Like, he tried to. You've seen him blame me as a traitor, Right. That he sat me aside and tried to. To be in cahoots with me. And then I'd be like, I tried to be like, if he. Even if he's not a traitor, he's clearly somebody who would work with the traitors and you can't be trusted. So, like, let's vote him out.

E (53:39)

Great.

C (53:39)

But that's what I'm saying. Like, you got to turn the tables on Colton 100%. But it's like, I just don't know if she's in that position where she can see outside of herself because, like, I would be nervous and she has to do the killing in plain sight. Yo, she agreed to that before all of this went down.

A (53:52)

Who do you think the killer Colton. It's not going to be.

C (53:55)

That's the thing. It's like, I hope that, like, I wish that she could get Colton out either during a roundtable or during this killing in plain sight because that's the only way that it doesn't put pinpoint her as the Traitor.

E (54:05)

But aren't they gonna then think it's her because he's been saying her name.

A (54:10)

No, I. I think they made the mistake about giving Rena the. The jewel that, you know, the. The weapon, so to speak.

C (54:16)

But it happened before that.

A (54:17)

It should have been. It should have been Candace who takes the jewel. And then to Sierra's point, they should, like, put Rena in a different room, you know? And then when Candice kills Colton, the heat won't be on Rena. Rena been. The guy literally wasn't there.

E (54:36)

But it happened out of sequential order. Like, she got the. They decided on her getting the jewel before all the heat was on her.

A (54:42)

Like, to that extent.

E (54:44)

So, like, in hindsight, yet she's shutting up. But she was like, I would wear the broche because I wear extravagant outfits which, like, valid.

C (54:51)

But now, like, so does Candace.

E (54:53)

Yeah, so does Candace. That's. That's very fair.

A (54:54)

But now Candace could have pulled that off.

C (54:57)

I did love the moment, though, when. When they were presented with that and it was like, well, rob, you can't do it. And we're like, no, obviously.

A (55:04)

All right, so if you're the traitors and you can't kill Colton, who do you think makes the most sense?

E (55:08)

Oh.

C (55:11)

I feel like, unfortunately, it's going to be somebody like Johnny or somebody who, like, would be drawn to, like, touching the brooch on their own versus, like, Rena being like, oh, have you seen this? I got it. Harry Hamlin gave it to me. Let me put it on you.

D (55:24)

What if Dorinda touches the brooch, though?

C (55:27)

I mean, that's kind of where Lisa's gonna have to bring it up casually.

E (55:31)

To someone to somewhat. Dorinda's not a bit. But isn't Dorinda onto Lisa a little.

C (55:36)

Or does she think Lisa, who's telling her that?

D (55:39)

Colton.

C (55:39)

Colton's telling her.

D (55:40)

So it's basically either she's kind of going along with it to keep alliances with Colton or she kind of believes that.

E (55:46)

I believe. I mean, I think, yeah, Dorinda would be an okay one maybe. Is it Tara.

C (55:52)

Tara Lipinski.

E (55:53)

Lipinski.

D (55:54)

Lipinski.

E (55:55)

Like one of the girls. I mean, I don't know.

C (55:57)

Yeah, I was like, it's gonna have to be somebody that, like, would engage in a conversation about that.

D (56:01)

You know, Colton's made some bold fashion choices this season, and that's why he comes up and touches the brute bridge brooch.

E (56:09)

He would.

D (56:10)

He would. And he's, like, kind of annoying to Lisa in that way where he would be like, like, hey, Diva. Look at that beautiful brooch you have on.

A (56:20)

I mean, she probably wouldn't have to be that obvious.

E (56:22)

I think the. The. I think you're right. The most organic move would be Colton. Yeah, yeah.

C (56:26)

Let him. Let him walk into it himself. Exactly.

D (56:29)

Fly too close to the sun.

E (56:31)

He doesn't think a magical jewel can kill him. I don't think they've done that on previous seasons. No, they always kind of switch it up, right?

A (56:38)

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.

E (56:41)

We're gonna find out on Thursday. I'm addicted.

D (56:44)

It's great.

E (56:44)

I can't get over it.

A (56:45)

It's so awesome. Well, Daria, we appreciate you taking the time and talking with some traders with us as well as sharing your story. Good luck on tna. Where can people follow you? Follow you, watch all the great stuff that you're doing and support you in your career.

E (57:01)

Yeah. I'm on TNA on AMC every single Thursday. You guys can check me out there being a real bitch and then all over social media at that the Daria Ray Baronado. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys.

C (57:14)

Thanks for chatting with us.

E (57:15)

Super fun.

A (57:16)

Thank you. It's the best. Come back soon.

E (57:18)

Yeah.

A (57:20)

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D (59:10)

Yeah.

A (59:11)

And listen, like props to her and I, and I've talked about this too. Like I, I feel fortunate that when I first went on reality TV I was in my early 30s and I had, you know, a little light lived experience and things like that. And working in corporate America kind of honestly can be very cutthroat and prepares you and just like being a little older that I. And being the villain first really prepared me for this world world because for a lot of people who go into this world who maybe get a little love and attention right away and then they go back and, and people turn on them as often is the case in these. It's very difficult for these people to handle that flip and their mental health can spiral and it's just like it's, it can get really dark fast. But anyway, I thought it was interesting what Danielle had to say because like after Peacock released the statement which was essentially like, please stop bullying our cast or human beings.

D (60:06)

Yeah, we do have Danielle's statement if you would like.

A (60:09)

Yeah. What'd she say?

D (60:10)

So Danielle posted on Instagram after traders made their official comment and she said, let me share some inside information. The producers in the wellness team were very supportive of me. During the airing of season three, they reached out several times to check in and make sure I was okay. I let them know there was no need to worry. This was not my First Rodeo circa 2002 Big Brother. For a little more inside info. When I sat down with Alan and gave my mafia pitch to become a traitor, I told him they're either going to love to hate me or hate to love me. I understood the assignment as a traitor. To be clear, I did not plan my moves in advance. Everything I did in the game was organic. I knew I needed thick skin to play this game. And I also knew that murdering or turning on a fan favorite would not be taken kindly by viewers. I fully understood there was a possibility I would be hated the Point of this post is that it was not necessary for me. If the producers felt my mental health was ever in jeopardy, I am confident they would have addressed it directly and extended the same message themselves. So basically she's like, nice that they issued that statement. I didn't need that shit, though. I'm built different. Which respect.

A (61:14)

I mean, she. But she, you know, props to her. She is built different. And I think, you know, again, she's. She's done this before and she's a gamer and clearly has thick skin, which some of us do, but not everyone does. Well, we're excited to talk to Monet coming up shortly, but what else do we have going on in the reality TV drama world?

B (61:35)

It's been a very crazy weekend, but in like the best way possible for anybody watching reality TV. Obviously we have secret lies and Mormon wives season four announced March 12th.

C (61:44)

Finally coming.

B (61:45)

Coming then we also. We've seen all of the fallout that's already. It's confusing obviously, to see whether this is fallout for like season four or if this is fallout that they're filming for season five, five or six or whatever season.

G (61:57)

That's always the confusion with this show.

A (61:59)

Yeah, we just finished season three.

B (62:00)

But I love it. I'm like, I kind of. I personally enjoy the confusion of like, I don't know when I'm gonna get it, but I kind of know what's happening.

C (62:06)

We do know that season four is gonna have the Demi and lawsuits and.

B (62:10)

Marciano pretty pebblesgate whatever they're filming right now.

G (62:14)

Season five, probably.

C (62:15)

No.

D (62:15)

Wouldn't that be maybe end of season four?

A (62:17)

I thought Demi wasn't in season four.

E (62:19)

Well, so.

B (62:20)

And then also Marciano was spotted at whatever event they were filming recently that also Latia from the Bachelor's also at. Well, that's what I' so like is.

G (62:28)

Demi for sure not in season four? Because there was.

A (62:30)

I don't know for sure. I thought she was done. It's my understanding from people who are in very much the know that the Marciano and Demi story actually will be carried over and resolved in Vanderpump Villa.

G (62:44)

But he's not even on that show anymore.

C (62:46)

He got fired.

A (62:46)

I don't know. But apparently we if you are interested when I have lost interest in that storyline that more will be revealed on Vampire.

G (62:58)

They have the tape.

C (62:59)

Don't worry. I will do the Lord's work. Yeah, I will too.

G (63:01)

Honestly. Because I want storyline.

A (63:03)

Listen, I've been told by people I trust and people who I think know what they're doing that show Gets better. So maybe we will be talking about Vanderpump.

G (63:17)

Villa, listen, I need. I need to close. I need to see this story through. And that's just my.

C (63:22)

I thought Demi quit after this next season that's coming out because they've already been.

A (63:26)

Again, hard to say. Hard to confirm.

D (63:28)

You know, it's crazy that the Mormon Wives basically somehow did invent time travel with the way that this show is filmed. I do always feel like I'm looking back into the past and into the future at the same time.

B (63:41)

She is in the, like, the walking montage that they do, so she isn't in the one for the trailer they released.

G (63:46)

So, I mean, technically, she. She also wasn't in the last season either, but then she still was.

D (63:51)

I don't know, you guys.

B (63:53)

Regardless, it's crazy.

A (63:54)

Apparently Latia from Bachelor is. Is she. Is it. She confirmed filming.

D (63:59)

Is she demise replacement?

C (64:00)

She has been spotted filming with her and Chase's ex, Kate.

B (64:04)

Well, and then also, Chase has. Does Chase have a new girl or. It's Dakota's new girl that's also part of filming.

C (64:10)

Dakota's new girl is part of filming, too, Emma.

B (64:12)

Yeah. Because then also, we'll find out in two years.

A (64:14)

I will be very interested to see how Latea does if she joins this cast because, and I don't know, I've never met Latia. I don't know much about her, but she struck me as your kind of typical Bachelorette cast member, which was, you know, unproblematic, very demure, very generally safe and very brand and conscious about her public Persona. And from what I know about the secret lives of Mormon Wives, as they are, to use that phrase, built different. They are reality TV professionals and hyper, good at being incredibly raw, real and authentic in a way that, like, I don't know, maybe Latea's got it. I don't. You know, clearly, like, I think the, you know, Jeff Jenkins and Russell J, the producers of this show and creators, they know what they're doing, and they certainly know how to cast. So maybe Latea is, you know, maybe there's a different side to her that we got to see her on the.

B (65:18)

Bachelor, but the second I saw her say, come on now, I was like, oh, that's. I need that. I need her. I was like, I liked whatever that was.

G (65:26)

We did see a little glimpse in the finale.

A (65:29)

Yeah. But that's when she thought she had the high road with Grant and she thought she was in a position. I don't know. It's just like, what happens when you are really in the weeds and caught up in drama between, between Chase and Taylor, Frankie, Paul and maybe Whitney Chimes and you know, like I, that is a. I don't know. We'll see. It's.

D (65:50)

I mean she's going from network to streaming and that does seem to maybe give you a little bit more space to play around if you're not worried about like the ABC brand at bars.

G (66:02)

Right. That is true. Because you also have to talk about the platform or the company that's editing this show.

D (66:07)

Uh huh.

B (66:08)

Maybe.

A (66:08)

Yeah.

B (66:09)

Yeah.

D (66:09)

I mean Latia could have been popping off all the time in that mansion. Just got it out.

C (66:15)

That's very true.

D (66:16)

You know, we don't know.

C (66:17)

Got Miranda's friend, what Shayla Shayna that was supposedly slept with Dakota over stage.

B (66:23)

I'm telling you, every, like they, they're bringing in like this is.

C (66:26)

It wasn't over Stagecoach.

B (66:27)

Everybody, everybody in that like Infinity War circle of Mormon Wives, Utah is appearing in the show now. And it's like getting hard to track.

A (66:34)

But also is very honestly, I'm here for it because like the, the, the OGs, you know, Taylor's the Bach Charette. I mean her star keeps blowing up and rising. Whitney's, you know, getting more and more opportunities. The rest is cast, they're becoming legit celebrities and maybe, you know, again, you know, maybe like because they're recording so fast, maybe they, you know, clearly maybe are running out of some of those, you know, original storylines. So they're just leaning into that universe. I gotta tell you what though. March.

G (67:05)

March is packed.

A (67:06)

March is gonna be jammed packed, guys. And we have Taylor is the Bach for.

B (67:11)

Yep.

A (67:11)

We got Secret Lives of Mormon Wives all happening at the same time. Which is that, that's going to break my brain.

G (67:16)

Yeah, they do this on purpose, literally time travel.

A (67:21)

I mean they do get to dictate when they release their show. So yeah, they are doing it on purpose.

C (67:25)

Well, you know, I'm pretty positive they're releasing Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. Right. Like, right intentionally the week, two weeks or a week before Bachelor Up. So if we get all of the episodes and it's like, oh, is that what they're doing?

A (67:36)

So it's like right before. So almost like bat. So yeah, that's what we're going to.

C (67:40)

Wrap up Taylor's story and then that.

A (67:41)

Way we be like, it'll. It'll almost be like a Beverly Hills vanderpump.

D (67:48)

I'm so excited.

A (67:49)

That's what they'll do. That's what they'll do.

D (67:51)

I can feel the excitement coursing through my veins. Yeah.

G (67:53)

And then it's my birthday and my.

D (67:56)

And my birthday.

A (67:58)

We also have another season of Love is Blind. We have some Temptation island sandwiched in there at some point. Age of Attraction will be coming out in 2026. Can't say when exactly yet.

G (68:12)

Summer House, Ladies of London.

C (68:15)

Summer House, February 3rd.

B (68:17)

Everything okay? More. More reality TV headlines before we move on. Karl Rodkin, Vanita. Is it humid running around London together?

D (68:24)

I think it's cute.

A (68:25)

I think they're doing a brand deal.

D (68:27)

They're hot together.

G (68:28)

No, because at BravoCon, they were. They were catching a vibe.

C (68:33)

Carl has asked about her, and he said that he finds her beautiful and so entertaining to talk to. And Vanita said she was great.

G (68:40)

A great pairing.

D (68:41)

I do, too.

B (68:42)

Well, Meredith Marks met Charlie XX at Sundance. Another headline. And she said on Twitter, fans of each other.

D (68:48)

She said on Twitter. I wish that we could have been bumping that Meredith Marks caviar.

A (68:53)

I mean, if I met Charlie s ex or honestly, any, like, celebrity I'm a fan of. I do like Charlie's music. Did you see that reaction that Charlie had? It was like a. For Meredith. Like, that's, you know, for all the. For all the controversy that Meredith has been wrapped up in this season, that.

D (69:12)

To know you have Charlie on your side.

B (69:14)

Well. And Charli said, I'm so glad you're DJing now.

D (69:16)

Yes.

A (69:17)

And honestly, Feather, like, that's a flex.

B (69:19)

It is. And then Ramona singer thinking she vented the phrase sorry, not sorry in 2026.

A (69:25)

That clip was amazing.

D (69:26)

Awesome. No notes.

B (69:28)

Last thing that I think we definitely need to talk about. So ultimate road trip is still filming. The amount of, like, OGs that are popping up for this is insane. Like, Faye was on Beverly Hills.

D (69:37)

Yes, the morally corrupt Faye.

B (69:39)

Nene Links. Marlo, Hampton, Sheree. Like, everybody did.

C (69:43)

They start off in Beverly Hills, go to Newport, and then now they're so.

B (69:46)

I believe they're currently in Miami.

C (69:48)

Okay. They went to Atlanta as well.

B (69:50)

I usually don't let myself spoil housewife things, but I'm, like, really tapped into this. So they started in Newport, and then they ended up in Beverly Hills, and now we know they're in Miami. So I don't know if they've gone anywhere in between. But, like, even Mary Clark, I know she's active, was at one of the.

C (70:03)

I saw that. It was like, Mary Cosby was there, but Nene was there. Some Atlanta housewives.

B (70:07)

Luanne flies in on a zipline. Apparently at the white party with angel wings. I'm like, there's just a lot going on in a lot of different ways.

C (70:13)

That is iconic.

B (70:13)

Eileen is back.

D (70:14)

Eileen is back. Eileen Davidson is back.

C (70:17)

It's iconic that they did a 20 anniversary.

D (70:19)

Sorry. I love Eileen Davidson. I grew up on Young and the Restless.

B (70:23)

Vicki Gunvalson is in a black wig.

C (70:24)

But then they did the 20th anniversary of Housewives with Kyle having her white party in the backyard.

B (70:30)

Like, they knew what they were doing and they're doing it properly by bringing, like, all these people back to, like, commemorate, like, what Housewives is.

D (70:37)

Ugh. It's beautiful. I'm so excited.

C (70:39)

And didn't you say they had like a disco themed party? Like the epic fight that happened in Orange county at the Mexican restaurant?

B (70:44)

Oh, I don't know. I didn't see that one.

D (70:46)

Oh, my God. Did you see Cynthia bailey bringing back 50 Cent?

C (70:50)

I did.

B (70:51)

Oh, my God. That too iconic.

C (70:53)

Yeah, Epic. I cannot wait for this series to release.

A (70:57)

When's it come out? Do we to need.

B (70:58)

We don't know. But usually, I mean, I would think. I mean, they're actively filming it, so I would assume it's probably later this year, if not mid.

D (71:05)

I'm excited.

A (71:06)

All right, Monet is up next and we are excited to see what Monet thinks about this season of Traitors. Obviously, Monet was in the castle not too long ago and had an unceremonious early exit, but Monet is here to let us know about this season. Monet, welcome to the show.

F (71:22)

Thank you for having me.

A (71:23)

We're super excited to have you. First of all, we just want to say, what the fuck? Why were you kicked out so early between. We had Bob the drag Queen last year. You this year.

D (71:36)

Ever heard of her?

E (71:37)

Bob?

A (71:38)

But yeah, I mean, like, you got the early exit, which we were very sad to see. So we are excited to have you on the show and talk little traitors.

F (71:47)

Yeah. You know, I think the problem was that I trusted. Can I curse on here?

A (71:52)

Yes. Fuck. Shit balls.

F (71:53)

I trusted a fucking housewife and I will never do so again. When Alan deigns it necessary for me to rejoin his castle to play this game again, it's gonna happen. I hired some Etsy witches to cast a spell to the first. I will never trust a housewife. I will hunt them all down. And I don't care who it is. I don't care if Mary Jesus mother is a housewife in the castle. She's going down. All except Phaedra. Phaedra seems like a she. Was a loyal housewife. The only loyal one we've ever seen.

A (72:22)

Okay, all right. Do you feel like that the housewives are putting a target on their back this season?

F (72:28)

Yeah, I. I think every season they're like. Cause they like. It's like they have no loyalty even to each other. Like how they killed Caroline and Lisa Rinna with those damn lips, looked at Caroline in her face and said, Caroline's. I guess I'll see your revicant. No, you won't. Cold blooded. Like it is cold blooded but also such great tv. And I think my problem was I just really trusted Candace. I really trusted Candace. They had five people that I was like, I know these people are faithful. It was Colton, Natalie, Rob, Cestarino, Portia and Candace. I was like, I know. I was like, you cannot tell me people that are not faithfuls. I just thought they were. And I was right about all of them except for Candace. So I confided in her and she used that same knowledge to get me out of the game. Which you know, by the court of public opinion, I was playing a pretty good game. I was flying under the radar, but still a presence and still talking. But I made the fatal mistake of trusting the wrong bitch. But enough about my ex wife.

A (73:27)

Other than trusting the wrong person, is there anything you would have done differently in the time that you were there? That if you did get a chance to come back to the castle, you would maybe approach it differently?

F (73:38)

I think one thing I would do is maybe say someone's name to more than one person, like. Cause I think that was a good point. Lisa brought up on the Twitter. She's like deterred. She has Candace. Did anyone else hear Candace? Like, I don't think so because then you can link things back to people. So yeah, I think maybe saying it to more than one person. Other than that, I was really happy with the game I was playing, the fashions I was serving and when they were eulogizing me how my lovely faithfuls and traders were all talking about how fab is my fashion were. And Lisa Rinna had the gall, the gumption, the audacity to say one of the best dressed. I can't wait to see that bitch in the reunion so we can see who's really the best dressed.

A (74:17)

When Candace got caught in the lie.

C (74:21)

Michael Rapaport put it in. Put the coffin in a housewives grave.

A (74:25)

Yes, yes.

F (74:27)

I watched that back and I was kicking myself. I was like, maura, Maura. Cause Portia, Candace did say that in the car. Maura heard it and then when they're at the table and Portia's asking her, Maura was like, no, girl, I don't know what she's talking about. And then. So we all thought. You know, we all thought, oh, that was weird. But if Maura would have been forthcoming and instead of covering for Candace for I don't know what reason, they weren't even that close. If she had not covered for candidates, I think that would have been. That would have been a big red flag for Candace. And honestly, maybe we would have gone for Candace that night because it would have been such a big lie. Like, why lie about that? It would have been really strange. So. And that could have changed the entire trajectory of the game. But that's the thing about traitors. You can't say what if? And I wish I did, because honestly, if that had happened, then it would have been a whole maybe other mess of problem. So it's a game. It's a game that you can't really say. I wish I would have. Oh, if this had happened, this would have happened. Because you really don't know.

A (75:21)

Do you think Maura really was this.

E (75:23)

I don't know.

A (75:23)

I don't remember shit. Or do you think that was a strategic play on her part to just be like, you know what? I see no evil, hear no evil. Don't you know, Like, I ain't repeating shit.

F (75:34)

You know, you're being so sweet. Attributing any strategy gameplay to Maura Higgins. Maura did not know what the fuck that was going on. The entire time, Maura had not seen. This is a fact. Maura had not watched a single episode of this show. When she got to the game, Maura did not know what was going on. Mora, she was like, oh, we have to banish people. I was like, mora, that is a premise of the game, girl. She had no idea what was going on. So I don't think she. There was any strategy. Maura was just being Maura. Maura wanted to wear pretty clothes, which she did, and that was her only goal.

A (76:07)

I'm curious, as far as we were talking about this earlier, like, obviously, Colton's playing a very aggressive game in the castle, and he seems to just be, like, making accusations. I almost kind of wish, like. Like, the Faithfuls would come together and be like. Because honestly, I don't feel like Colton's playing like a Traders game. He's playing kind of an aggressive, disruptive faithful. But I think he's almost like the rest of the Faithfuls. Like, if I'm. If I'm a faithful. I'm like, yo, I don't think you're a traitor, but what you are is a great distraction for the traitors. And if I'm a traitor, I'm keeping you around. And so, like, I want to see him getting voted. If I'm a faithful, I would want to see Colton get voted off because I think he's a distraction to actually hunting down the Rios Raiders.

F (76:52)

I think that, in my humble opinion, I think that Colton is playing a good game. Yes, he's playing aggressively, but I think that Colton is playing a good game. I think that Colton is. I think his strategy to go up to Lisa Rinna and be like, I know you're a traitor, I think that was bold. I think it was a good choice. I think that what Colton could have done differently was at the roundtable, used that information against Run in a different way, or Lisa used that information against Colton to try to get him out. But I think aggressive gameplay in the castle can be tricky. But I think Colton's doing a good job. I really do.

A (77:29)

Okay. Are there any people that we haven't seen get a ton of airtime that you feel were kind of are sleeping under the radar and might surprise us going forward? Forward.

F (77:40)

Ooh. I think Natalie, I think in her seasons of her seasons of Survivor, Natalie's one of my favorite Survivor players because she plays. She's. She's just so good at the game.

E (77:51)

She's. She.

F (77:51)

She's fucking strong as hell. She does, like, CrossFit, like, at 5 o' clock in the morning every day, girl. Better than me. And she is, like, a dope. So she's great at the missions, but she's also, like, a faithful. Faithful. Like, I think everyone in the castle knows she's a faithful, but the traitors aren't getting rid of her. And. Which is. Which is good, right? It's good that the faithfuls know you are faithful and the traitors are scared to get rid of you because you're flying just under the radar enough. But she's still vocal. She's still bringing things up at the round table. She's still contributing. So I think, yeah, I think Natalie's playing a really good game and I can't wait to see what she does for the rest of the season.

A (78:27)

I think Mary's got some questions for you.

D (78:29)

I do. I do have some Drag Race related questions. First question. Who of the traitors cast do you think would be the best and worst guest judges on Drag Race?

F (78:41)

Best? I. Because honestly, and I Love this bitch so much. And I think she was the only one giving me competition for the drags. I think Portia Williams. I think Portia Williams would be an amazing guest. Just in a drag race. She knows drag, honey. I think worst would be. I. I would say Lisa Rinna. No, I'm kidding. I think Lisa actually goes judge of Dragon. She's so silly and she's so funny. I would say maybe Stephen Coletti. I think Stephen Coletti will walk onto the set of Drag Race, and he would be like, what the fuck is going on? Although Stephen was very complimentary about drag. I was like, stephen, you hitting on me, Steven? I'm like, stephen, ain't you engaged? Watch out now.

D (79:27)

Awesome. And then, I know you've answered before, which drag queens you think should go on traitors? But I am curious. Which drag queen do you think would be the worst faithful and the worst traitor?

F (79:39)

A drag queen who will be the worst faithful? Oh, my God. A drag queen would be. The worst faithful would be Mistress Isabelle Brooks. She's a bully. She would bully the entire cast. They would probably eliminate her. Also, Mistress is kind of looks evil. Like, she doesn't look like a pleasant person.

D (79:55)

Yeah, no.

F (79:55)

Mistress just kind of has, like, a. A mean grill. So I think she'll be awful faithful. And you said worst traitor.

E (80:03)

Yeah.

D (80:04)

Who couldn't handle it.

A (80:05)

Oh.

F (80:05)

Worst traitor would be Peppermint. Even though she was a pretty bad faithful, I think she'd be even worse traitor. Imagine that.

A (80:13)

Yeah.

F (80:14)

Because Peppermint is truly like, a good natured, loving heart.

D (80:18)

Kind hearted.

E (80:18)

Yeah.

F (80:19)

And her having to be in that turret. One time we played Secret Hitler. If you guys know that board game. She did not bring it to herself to play the game. I was like, peppermint, it is a game. I promise. No one here is really a fascist. They all live in Plainview, Texas. None of us are fascists. It's okay. And she's like, girl, no, I can't. And she just opted out of the game because she's like, I just can't do this. I was like, okay, girl. Okay.

D (80:44)

Too sweet. Too kind of heart to be a traitor.

A (80:46)

Too kind of a heart?

F (80:47)

Yeah, too kind of heart. She's such a good person.

A (80:50)

Monet, any final thoughts on this season of the Traders before we let you go?

F (80:56)

Final thoughts. This is for any future trader players. Hunt the Housewives. They are the most deleterious, of course. Ooh. They're trying to get my Wi Fi connection. You saw that?

C (81:07)

Yeah.

F (81:07)

Hunt the Housewives. They're the most deleterious people in the world. They should never last long at this game because they will cut you, slit your throat, stab you in the back, and get you eliminated.

A (81:19)

All right, well, Monet, we really appreciate you taking the time. Where can people follow you, support you and everything that you're doing?

F (81:26)

Yeah, you can follow me on all social media, Monet Xchange, M O, N, E, T, letter X, the word change. And come see me on my stand up comedy tour. High heels, bad knees, all this spring and all summer.

A (81:36)

Hell yeah. All right, Monet, we appreciate you. Best of luck going forward and maybe we'll see you back in the castle.

F (81:41)

Who knows? Thank you all so much.

B (81:43)

Who knows?

A (81:43)

Thanks so much.

D (81:44)

Thank you very much.

B (81:45)

Bye.

A (81:45)

Bye.

B (81:46)

Bye.

D (81:47)

I love her.

A (81:49)

All right, Beverly Hills. Do we have a rapid recap?

D (81:52)

We do have a rapid recap. All right, so if you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, here is your rapid recap. Rachel Zoe's shopping strategy. Money isn't real. Bo's getting her eggs retrieved. She also does not buy Amanda's money making skills. Dorit writing a book, honey. Kyle tells Sutton about Jennifer Tilly's comments about her and Garcelle. She doesn't react very well to that. And omg, Rachel Zo is throwing a party with a psychic. Kyle hopes this one doesn't have an electronic cigarette and say Mauricio isn't going to emotionally fulfill her, but we'll see. So off the back, Amanda brings up that Durie is using a ghostwriter for her book, which is crazy to Amanda because she just sat down and wrote hers all by herself. Sutton then confronted Jennifer Tilly about the comments about Garcelle and they both really just agreed that they should be better friends about for each other and it was really wholesome. And then Amanda and Duri have a very tense conversation and Amanda leaves the party.

B (82:51)

I enjoy Beverly Hills. I know people say they're not buying into it, but I feel like this whole season I've enjoyed it.

D (82:57)

I enjoy Rachel Zo.

A (82:59)

I don't get why fans are not embracing Amanda.

D (83:03)

I think the women aren't necessarily embracing an Amanda.

C (83:07)

She's a 1 upper. She's a 1 upper.

A (83:09)

I don't know, maybe, maybe. But you know, like, nothing she says is wrong. She's self made. She's incredibly independently successful. The tragedy in which she talked about was heartbreaking. She's clearly resilient. And like I said, a lot of people have a hard time sometimes like moving forward and I don't know how she did it, but she clearly did in a way that she's ultra successful. Got herself on one of the most iconic Housewives franchises. Like, what's not to like?

D (83:41)

I mean, she does have the tendency to want up, even though. Even if it's not necessarily coming from a negative or vindictive place. I think she just does that to feel relatable to other people. And I think that rubs a lot of the women the wrong way because there's this new girl and she's coming in here kind of pretty bold, pretty brash for a new housewife, which I.

A (84:00)

Think she needs, as she needs to.

D (84:02)

But I think their reaction to is pretty unified, which is hard for her because she can't make a friend, an actual friend now because everyone has this sort of preconceived notion of like, where they used to be at. I think in A Housewives Journey is how I read it a little bit, which might not be correct.

C (84:21)

I think I'm empathetic to Amanda's story and I think it's hard coming into a cast of an already established friendships and women who know each other and being the new person. But I also think that there's a way to, like, come in and like, listen to what people are going through and without, I don't know, trying to act as if you are better than people or you have all of the answers. And I think that's something that's rubbing the women the wrong way. Whether it's a coffee order or, you know, a book, and I wrote mine myself. It's like there's just certain comments that she makes where it just feels like you didn't need to say that, but yet you don't hear why that would rub someone the wrong way.

A (84:56)

Yeah, I don't think she, she. Listen, I think. I don't take it as her trying to one up. She may. It obviously comes across that way.

D (85:04)

I think she's trying to be relatable to the other women.

A (85:07)

I don't. I don't even think it's that. You know what I think it is? I think, Listen, I think for her to be able to accomplish what she's accomplished, she's obviously. She seems like a very type a person. I think some things, a lot of things, like, just make sense to her, right in her main. Her mind, it's like, why would you do something any other way? Because this works, works. And I think when she sees people say or do something that in her mind just like, makes no sense. Like, she just. She will speak up and she will speak on it. And I think sometimes that come comes across is like, you know, obviously the drama that dorit tried to bring up Right. Until, like, Amanda, you know, shut it down. You know, she was like, giving feedback that Dorit didn't really want. Right. She was giving criticism and critique about, like, Dorit's divorce and honestly, probably objective feedback, you know, but, like, Dorit just wasn't having it. But I don't think Amanda did it to, like, be at a know it all. I think she was like, she heard something. It was like, that doesn't make sense to me. And then she, like, was honest about what made sense to her, you know? You know, like, I just think she things in her mind, and she's clearly very smart and she does make good decisions. Like, I don't think Amanda would hire her husband to be her manager. Pleasure.

C (86:26)

Yeah.

E (86:26)

Yeah.

D (86:27)

I feel like the one moment that Amanda really lost me was the Avi thing from a couple weeks ago.

A (86:34)

That's her just being messy.

D (86:35)

That's. She's being messy.

A (86:36)

That was a producer being like, hey.

D (86:38)

Something about this bring up Sutton and Avi. Yeah, but I think it's just like, I think that comment specifically is what put her in this position with the girls, because I think beforehand they were kind of like, I don't know about this new girl. She's kind of annoying to us, whatever. And then she said that about Avi, and they were like, oh, well, we're obviously not going there, so what the. Why are you trying to bring that up on camera? And I think that kind of put a negative taste in their mouth towards her as a collective unit, which I think sucks for her because it kind of puts her in a bad position to kind of regain genuine relationships with the group because now they're closed off to it. Whether or not that's justified or not.

A (87:16)

I don't think these women were ever interested in being close with Amanda.

B (87:19)

And they.

A (87:20)

And they all kind of. Kind of approach is like, who's this new girl? And, like, maybe Amanda didn't do herself any favors.

B (87:26)

Yeah.

A (87:27)

But, like, most people can't be Bose, who is this, like, very polished and very put together and very secure in herself. And this, like, Bose has the, like, almost like the, you know, this former Netflix executive where people know the name of like, you know, of Netflix. And you're like, oh, you're kind of impressed by the title that Bose has had in the past where Amanda being self made. It's almost like being like, yeah, I have a podcast you know, it's like, oh, cool. You know, and that can mean a million different things. You know, Amanda's come in like, hey, I own my own business. Like, you know, half of the Bachelor contestants show up and be like, I'm a financial advisor or I'm in real estate. And it's like, because they got the real estate license where, like, they have this kind of very vague title that most people. It's kind of. But Amanda's one of those people who's actually done something with. With it and made this incredible business. And I think, like, maybe that's where that kind of one up comes from, where, like, again, Bose doesn't need to do that. She's like, I'm a former Netflix executive. What's up? And most people are like, how. Oh, my God. Like, how do you do that? Right? So I think that she has that confidence where, like, maybe. Maybe Amanda has a little bit of insecurity there. But, like, I. I'm more impressed with what she's done rather than picking apart the fact that she's proud of what she's done.

D (88:43)

I think of everyone that has beef with Amanda. Bose's beef with Amanda is my favorite because her whole thing is just like, where's the actual money? I thought you were gonna have actual fiscal advice for me, but your advice is just vibes, which I think is really funny.

A (88:58)

I mean. Yeah, because Bose can speak on that. Because Bose, like, is also incredibly successful in the space of business where, like, you know, like, Sutton or Kyle or Doritos. Like, what are they gonna say?

C (89:11)

I was gonna say, I kind of think, too, where I'm like. I think the women are also just not impressed with it because I'm like, every season that one of these women who have all been, besides Kyle, like, introduced at a different point in these friendship groups have all had to prove themselves. It's like, you had Erica coming in, married to a lawyer, but is a pop star, and Bethany Frankel shitting on her from, like, the first episode. It's like, Dorit came in with the bathing suit lines and. And PK's career and whatnot, and people were like, your accent is fake, and. And pantygate with Erica. So I'm just like. I feel like this isn't anything that's not normal for, like, a woman coming in and joining this group. But, like, at the same time, I just feel like building actual relationships versus trying to flex on, like, what you've accomplished and what you've done goes a lot further. Like, a. As a Viewer. But also with the cast that it being like, well, I'm successful. Well, I'll take a 30 minute business call. Like, it's just like, we get it.

D (90:01)

You work.

C (90:01)

But what else is interesting about you?

D (90:03)

What was. What was that woman's name from, like, early season? Beverly Dana.

C (90:08)

Denny Wilkes.

D (90:08)

Yeah.

E (90:09)

Yeah.

D (90:09)

With the sunglasses.

C (90:10)

75,000.

D (90:11)

$75,000 sunglasses.

B (90:13)

I think she's trying to fit in. I think you guys nailed it. Maybe it is a little bit of them icing her out, but also she's not helping herself with some of the things she's saying.

C (90:21)

People hated Dorit when she came in. She had. She was up against Lisa, Rinna, Erica, so many people.

B (90:27)

I mean, did Amanda come in after as a friend of anybody or was she just kind of like Amanda?

C (90:32)

I feel like kind of just like Amanda here, she. She bought Kyle's house.

B (90:35)

But, like, that doesn't mean she was friends with Kyle. Right. So I think it's like, so, like, loosely Kyle's. She kind of. I think that's also where she was.

G (90:40)

That's kind of how Britney came in.

B (90:41)

No, Britney was a friend of Heather, though. So that's what I'm saying. Amanda kind of just got placed there, like, hey. And that's kind of who she is on the show where she's kind of just like, hey.

C (90:49)

Right. And to your point, like with Jennifer Tilly, for example, or it's like, obviously, if you know Jennifer Tilly, you know Jennifer. Jennifer Tilly. But like, nobody's seen her dynamics, like, with a friend. So it's like you get to see this, like, oh, actress Jennifer Tilly. But what she's like with Sutton and there's something like, endearing about it or like when we have the housewives crossovers where it's like Sutton going to lunch with Heather dubrow and whomever else that it's like, oh, like how these people interact with each other outside or like, and a camera just happens to be on them where it's like, right now we're giving. Like, it's unnatural because, like, who.

G (91:16)

Who.

C (91:17)

Who do we get to see real conversations with? And like, you criticizing Dorit's marriage, not knowing Dorit for a minute. Like, yeah, keep your comments to yourself.

B (91:25)

You being friends with someone in the group demands respect for you as well. So I think she didn't have that set up.

C (91:31)

Yeah. So that might have been the mess up of the introduction of Amanda.

B (91:34)

Yeah.

D (91:35)

I'm rooting for.

C (91:36)

And we'll see.

A (91:37)

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. Should we get to a little Valley of Persian stuff? Yeah, we did.

D (91:44)

I love it. I started Shaw's of Sunset last night from season one, I think. Gigi, mj, and Reza. That's a trio made in the stars, as MJ said.

B (91:55)

Let's go.

D (91:55)

Exactly. All right, so if you missed the most recent episode of the Valley, Persian style, here's what happened. So we pick back up after the reveal that Dennis Fuck Goldass's friend, but they're family and they work together, so it's fine. Reza doesn't think sky needs another house, and she should just stay in the fucking Valley. Tommy is not coming with MJ to Palm Springs because he doesn't want to see Reza. Sky is still pretending to be mad at Golmeza for smoking weed at her house, but Gigi apologizes anyways. Sky also says that the house in Palm Springs smells immediately after she walks in. Also, there's a medium there, and it's very sweet, and they all learned, like. You don't think it was sweet?

C (92:31)

No, I'm just thinking the theme. The constant themes of having, like, mediums and psychics at these parties.

G (92:36)

No, I'm down.

C (92:37)

Salt Lake City did it.

G (92:38)

Salt Lake City should have a party with a medium.

D (92:41)

He will never emotionally fulfill you. Anyway, so later, Dennis crashes Adam's birthday dinner, and everyone is like, what, Dennis, what are you doing here? Even the entire episode, everyone wanted Gigi and RJ to. And now Reza and MJ hate Dennis and are there to just read him to filth, which Glanessa loves, but she also does still want to have a relationship with Dennis. Anyway, that was.

B (93:06)

Was the episode that the fight or the conversation, the dinner, the birthday party, whatever you want to call it, was reality TV gold.

D (93:13)

Perfect.

B (93:14)

Like, it was just one thing after another. And, like, mj, when she. Let's go. And I was like, oh, my God, they're about to, like, go down.

C (93:21)

Gigi was giving me, like, emotional whiplash. Like, I was just like, wait, did you invite him here? He just drove two hours to get here. And now you're like, tell them your side, and then I'll tell them mine. But you go first, because I don't want you to use what I said.

B (93:32)

It's a guess or no.

C (93:33)

I was like, yeah. And I was like, oh, my God.

D (93:36)

And then immediately she's like, it's so.

B (93:37)

Nice having Genesis so iconic when she walks out every two seconds, and she's like, I need a smoke.

C (93:42)

I need to punch something. I need to feel pain.

A (93:43)

Literally, all I can think about is our Reza interview and how much he hates Sky.

F (93:48)

Yeah.

A (93:48)

And when he shows up at Sky's house and he's like, girl, how you doing? I'm like, he is a good actor. Because if I didn't know any better, it would sound. He sounds like he really enjoys her company, but he. He hates her.

E (94:00)

Yeah. Yeah.

D (94:01)

Well, he really does not want her to move to Bel Air, and she really, for some reason, wants to move to her. That's a nice house. Why does she want to leave so bad?

C (94:11)

She wants to be Bel Air. She does not want to be in the Valley.

D (94:13)

But, girly pop, you signed a contract to be on the Valley, Persian style.

B (94:17)

There's, like, the Valley part of Bel Air now. Like, the top of it.

D (94:20)

The top of Bel Air.

G (94:21)

I guess you could.

D (94:22)

Some people, the air in Bel Air is the Valley.

A (94:24)

I mean, you overlook the valley from Bel Air.

B (94:27)

Yeah. And the Valley. Valley sometimes looks over Bel Air. No, I'm confused.

A (94:32)

I don't think that's how it works.

D (94:33)

Nick, I have a question for you.

A (94:35)

Is it more geography?

D (94:36)

No, it's about Tommy and M.J. and Reza and that whole dynamic.

E (94:40)

What do you think?

D (94:41)

As a husband and a man with a wife, how do you.

C (94:46)

Okay, that is the definition of a husband.

D (94:48)

Yeah. As a husband.

A (94:49)

Not always as a husband. I could have a husband.

C (94:52)

Okay, got it.

D (94:52)

True.

B (94:53)

Exactly. Thank you.

A (94:54)

Yeah.

D (94:54)

As a husband and a man with a. The wife, how do you feel about Tommy refusing to, like, go to things with mj, even though she wants him there because of.

A (95:02)

Yeah, Tommy's a. I agree.

B (95:05)

Yeah.

A (95:05)

I mean, I. Listen, I. It's. Tommy is. Tommy's standing up for his own ego. He's not standing up for MJ. You know, the end of the day, like, you know, listen, you can be frustrated, like, sometimes, you know, your person or whatever might invest in relationships that you don't think serves them. Them fine, you know? But Tommy has made MJ's fight about his own fragile ego and his desire to, like, quote, unquote, as he claims, stand up for MJ and then go and vandalize Reza's, like, property, like, in such a. An aggressive way. I mean, listen, I, I, we had the pleasure of meeting Reza, and maybe I'm. I'm. I'm sure he's capable of a lot, but he doesn't seem like much of a fighter, you know, and he doesn't seem to be all that physically aggressive as a person. So for Tommy to come over and be like, he's lucky. I just broke his plant and not his face. It's like, what do you like, for. Who are you doing that for? I doubt very much MJ asked him to do that. And then again, like, he doesn't show up again. That's not for mj. You're making your wife life's more. More difficult. Right. He's. He's. He's putting her in difficult situations. Like, he can behind closed doors, not love the fact that, like, MJ has decided to give people a second chance that he doesn't think desert they deserve. But, like, these are his. These are MJ's relationships that she's trying to preserve. And, like, at the end of the day, you just got to support your partner and make life easier for them. All Tommy's doing is making life more difficult for MJ while protecting his fragile ego. There you go.

F (96:44)

Go.

D (96:44)

Thank you. Well, it's also like, MJ has known Reza since she was in high school. Like, they've been like their family at this point. They've been through so much.

G (96:52)

They.

D (96:52)

You know, Reza, when he was on the show, was talking about how they really, organically, off camera, just put their relationship back together. And, you know, I just started Shaw, so obviously there's a lot I don't know, but it's just like, Tommy, what the.

E (97:07)

Like, you think.

B (97:08)

Whose voice is that supposed to be?

D (97:10)

Hey, it's called.

A (97:11)

It's kid.

D (97:13)

Sorry. It's called Cadence. You guys.

B (97:15)

I was just. I thought you were impersonating someone.

D (97:17)

No, that was just all me. That was just how I felt emotionally about Tommy in that moment.

B (97:21)

I did feel bad when MJ was like. Like, all I just asked is, you can please talk to Reza. And then Tommy was like, I'm gonna go watch tv.

C (97:28)

I was like, really?

B (97:28)

Like, not.

A (97:29)

He's a. He's a selfish partner. Yeah. And it's. It's. He's. He is using MJ's drama. And what's happened in the past is a way to scapegoat himself out of things he doesn't want to be a part of. Part of. And. Hey, hey, listen. I wouldn't want to be. I wouldn't want to show up to a party of someone's house. I decided to go and vandalize. I'm sure Tommy feels really awkward about his outburst, but instead of just, like, owning that he's.

G (97:53)

That's on you.

A (97:54)

Yeah.

B (97:54)

Also, can we quickly talk about Amira, Natasha, how beautiful that was. Like, just the relationship in general and, like, the medium saying, like, I'm hearing, like, your wife approving of this and then like their daughter crying. I was like, like, oh, my God.

D (98:07)

You know, as much as I despise the last season of Kristen Doty's the Valley, as described at one time, even though I love you, Kristen Doty, you're the best part of that show, as much as I have strong negative association with that show, this Valley feels like a warm hug and just like you're hanging out with friends and it really feels like what the Valley is supposed to be, which is kind of of this post young show where you're kind of figuring out your life and now you have, but you still have, like relationships to figure out. But you're all in it together, but you're all fucking crazy still. But you're gonna do it in adult terms.

B (98:47)

This does seem like more actual friends than like former cast members. Yeah, you know what I mean?

D (98:51)

It seems like a genuine friend group. And like, and again, you put Gigi, MJ and Reza in front of a camera.

E (98:58)

Camera.

D (98:58)

I'm locked and loaded. I'm so happy.

B (99:01)

I'm gonna go home and rewatch that final scene right now.

G (99:03)

Should we get a new spin off.

C (99:05)

Of the Valley you've just been trying to get on the Valley in any way, shape or form?

D (99:08)

The Valley Podcast Style.

G (99:10)

The Valley Rent Style Rent.

D (99:14)

The Valley Renters Edition.

G (99:16)

Valley.

D (99:16)

Valley Renters Edition.

B (99:18)

I would watch that.

A (99:19)

Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guests Monet Xchange and Daria Baronato. Be sure to check out our Going Deeper episode tomorrow with Seth Rollins, his wife Becky lynch from WWE fame. It's a very fascinating episode. You're certainly going to enjoy it whether you watch wrestling or not. If you love a good conversation about a beautiful couple finding love at work and working through together through adversity, you will love this episode. Other than that, we'll see you tomorrow. Today we'll attempt a feat once thought impossible. Overcoming high interest credit card debt. It requires merely one thing. A SOFI personal loan. With it, you could save big on interest charges by consolidating into one low fixed rate monthly payment. Defy high interest debt with a SOFI personal loan. Visit sofi.com stunt to learn more. Loans originated by Sofi Bank NA member FDIC terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891.