Valley Persian Style w/ Reza Farahan, Beckham Drama, Jenny Slate and Justin Baldoni, RHOSLC & RHOP

Summary

The Viall Files – Valley Persian Style w/ Reza Farahan, Beckham Drama, Jenny Slate and Justin Baldoni, RHOSLC & RHOP

Date: January 22, 2026
Host: Nick Viall (with Natalie Joy, regular panelists, and special guests)

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Overview

In this dynamic Reality Recap episode, Nick Viall and the “Household” panel dive deep into recent Bravo drama, the Beckham family feud, and a candid interview with Reza Farahan of Valley Persian Style. The episode navigates through reality TV scandals, pop culture news, and the intricacies of public family relationships, offering lively debate, sharp insight, and some laugh-out-loud moments.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. RHOSLC Reunion Part 2: Fake Accounts & Friendship Fallout

(Starts ~07:01)

• The Household dissects the explosive accusations against Lisa on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Angie brings “receipts” about Lisa running a fake account to go after cast members, drawing parallels to the “Unknown Number” Netflix doc (about a mom cyberbullying her own daughter).
• Nick: “This sheds a light on something I think very few people in this reality TV space or influencer space talk about… there are people currently on TV who have done this to their peers.” (07:01)
• Detailed breakdown of how Angie exposed Lisa: using the “forgot password” feature to reveal the associated phone number.
• Speculation on the commonality of reality stars lurking versus engaging with fake accounts.
  • Justin: “Only a truly dark person would create an alias and actively be on it… Like, of course I have a Finsta, but I’m not even liking posts or comments or anything.” (08:33)
• Double standard discussed regarding Monica vs Lisa—why one is banished and the other forgiven.
  • Natalie: “Why does Lisa get a pass… but when Monica does it, she can’t be filmed with or be back on the show?” (18:59)
• Body language analysis: Lisa’s “statue-like” reaction to Mary’s criticism.
  • Nick: “When Mary was talking at Lisa and criticizing her, Lisa was sitting, like, looking straight… what is it about Mary's critique that silences Lisa?” (13:15)
• Critique on constant group policing of Lisa: should you accept others or just not ‘fuck with them’ rather than try to change them?
  • Susie: “Lisa Barlow is exactly who Lisa Barlow is. She is not going to change whatsoever.” (15:50)

Notable Quote

• Heather: “She said, buckle up, Meredith. It's not going to be a fun ride.” (19:26) – referencing Heather’s glowering threat.

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2. Beckham Family Drama: Instagram Wars & Generational Divide

With guest Carson Holiday, The Independent
(Main segment starts ~30:25)

Set-Up

• Brooklyn Beckham posts a bombshell statement on Instagram: accuses parents (David and Victoria) of overexposing him, being “brands,” ruining his wedding day via “inappropriate” mother-son dance, and airing private drama.
• Intergenerational response divide: Gen Z siding with Brooklyn vs millennials and older with the Beckhams.

Panel & Expert Analysis

• Carson Holiday: Outlines how perceptions split along generational lines, between #TeamBrooklyn (“right to privacy”) and #TeamBeckham (“stop whining, you privileged Nepo Baby”) (32:01).
  • “Kids are really taking Brooklyn’s side… older generations seem to be siding with David and Victoria Beckham. It’s 50/50—super divisive, at least online.” (32:01)
• Drama and rumors pivot on the wedding: clash between Victoria Beckham (diva, not told no) and Nicola Peltz (billionaire 'new money' diva).
  • Justin: “It’s two divas, and who’s going to out-diva the other?” (35:35)
• Panel skeptical about Brooklyn’s narrative:
  • Unclear if “inappropriate dancing” was blown out of proportion.
  • Some see Brooklyn (and Nicola) as cherry-picking “trauma”.
  • Nick: “This is coming from a perspective of a kid who was driving a car where only six were made in the world.” (50:40)
• Carson adds context to key rumors:
  • The Vogue article contradicts Brooklyn’s claim about the wedding dress.
  • The “change your name” narrative vs. the fact Brooklyn voluntarily hyphenated.
  • Carson: “He changed [his name] anyway… so I’m a little confused about where he’s going.” (41:14)
• Hypocrisy called out: Brooklyn asks for privacy, but posts laundry on IG Stories.
  • Nick: “Do you want to fight this feud online… or privacy? Makes my brain break.” (44:39)
  • Natalie: “Then drop the Beckham name. Don’t put it on Instagram stories.” (56:36)
• Speculation: Is this heading for a Hulu docuseries or just an influencer-style PR war?

Notable Quotes

• Carson Holiday: “The reason this feud is so juicy… He posted about it. That blows everything wide open.” (47:18)
• Nick: “Inconvenience is seen as trauma.” (50:11)
• Carson: “Girlfriend versus mother-in-law is the oldest story in the book.” (48:44)
• Natalie: “You guys have no problem hyphenating and using the benefits of being a Beckham.” (56:42)

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3. Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively, and Jenny Slate: Hollywood #MeToo Rumble

(Quick update, ~24:54)

• Latest on allegations and lawsuit involving Justin Baldoni.
• New text messages from Jenny Slate surface:
  • Jenny Slate (via text): “Justin is truly a false ally, and I'm unwilling to do anything that promotes the image that he's crafting as a male feminist. He's the biggest clown and the most intense narcissist.” (24:54)
• Adds weight to Blake Lively’s side in ongoing trial.

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4. RHOP, RHOSLC, and Housewives News

(Around 61:44 onwards)

• Mauricio sighting on RHOP—cross-franchise flirtation, Kyle Richards’ reaction, and production “coincidences.”
• Ultimate Girls Trip/Road Trip with 60+ Housewives teased:
  • Sarah: “It’s our Avengers Endgame.” (64:04)

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5. Valley Persian Style Interview: Reza Farahan Opens Up

(Main segment starts ~66:20)

• A warm, funny, and candid conversation with Reza Farahan covering:
  • Differences between Shahs of Sunset and Valley Persian Style—more mature, suburban, and about “grown-up” dynamics (66:49)
  • Marriage and therapy: “We do nightly check-ins… If we have problems, they're usually my fault. So I try and control myself and get the toxins out so I don't bring the problems into our marriage.” (67:31)
  • Voice of reason: 20 years of therapy, practical upbringing, and being the stable friend in the group.
  • Insight into reality TV's impact on real relationships: better production process on new show makes Adam feel “heard and respected” (69:40)
  • Behind-the-scenes on MJ & Tommy drama, and why things are tense with Tommy: “She [MJ] would paint a picture that was way rosier… When she finally started opening up… I was really sad for her.” (70:53)
  • Adam & Reza called the police after Tommy trashed their backyard in a rage—never pressed charges but it was “heartbreaking” (73:07)
  • Valley Persian Style casting process: core cast really are genuine friends, hand-picked by Reza and others (75:43)
  • Reza’s take on other couples likely not lasting: “Any moment, any opportunity to throw [Sky’s] husband under the bus, and she's there for it… My money would be on Sky and Bam[sy].” (77:49)
  • Hilarious jewelry trunk show anecdote (82:43)
  • Gigi (Golnessa) as iconic weed-smoker and reality TV star—her personal growth, parenting, and relationship troubles (84:44, 85:34)
  • Reza’s candid, powerful reflections on his Iranian heritage and the pain of the ongoing crisis:
    • “My people have been oppressed and they've been ruled over by a death cult for 47 years… I pray that they get the freedom they deserve.” (88:14)
  • Book plug: Memoirs of a Gay Shah, out April 7 (91:16)

Notable Quotes

• Reza: “If we have problems, they're usually my fault. So I try and control myself and get the toxins out.” (67:31)
• Reza (on MJ & Tommy): “She’s got this glazed over look. She doesn't have, like, the joy… I just felt sad.” (73:54)
• Reza (on Iran): “I feel like I'm from the equivalent of North Korea and I have not slept since the uprising started in Iran.” (88:14)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On internet villainy in reality TV:
  Natalie: “It's kind of giving boomer energy. Like, you know it's gonna get traced back to you.” (08:33)
• On Brooklyn Beckham:
  Nick: “Do you want to fight this feud online… or privacy? Makes my brain break.” (44:39)
• On wedding mishaps:
  Justin: “To put that dance up before the first dance is crazy. That's crazy on the wedding planner for sure.” (53:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 07:01 – RHOSLC fake account drama
• 13:15 – Lisa Barlow’s body language v. Mary
• 18:59 – Double standards: Monica v. Lisa
• 30:25 – Beckham family drama intro (with Carson Holiday)
• 32:01 – Generational divide on Beckham feud
• 41:14 – Name change & contradictions
• 47:18 – Beckham curated image v. reality
• 56:36 – “Drop the Beckham name” debate
• 66:20 – Reza Farahan interview
• 69:40 – Reality TV and healthy marriages
• 73:07 – Tommy’s backyard rampage
• 82:43 – Reza’s trunk show anecdote
• 88:14 – Iran reflections and hopes for freedom
• 91:16 – Reza’s memoir plug

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Tone & Language

Throughout, the tone is conversational, playful, occasionally sarcastic, laced with Bravo-insider knowledge and sharp wit. The panelists’ chemistry shines, especially when disagreeing or poking fun at each other or reality TV culture.

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Conclusion

This Reality Recap is packed with topical reality TV analysis, thoughtful discussion of celebrity-public relationships, a lively panel debate on multi-generational values, and a meaningful, heartfelt feature with a beloved Bravo star. For fans of pop culture, relationship drama, and all things Bravo, this episode is both highly entertaining and surprisingly insightful.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Natalie]

You're craz.

[Nick]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by my spectacular, cozy, lovely wife. Very exciting episode for you. Lots to get into. We have the Reunion Part two, which we'll kick things off in a bit here. Wild stuff from the ladies of Salt Lake City. Also we have the Beckham family drama which I am very fascinated about by. It's really just like the parasocial relationship between the Beckham family in the audience and the expectations we all have. Are we team Brooklyn? Are we team mom and dad? It's family drama to the max. To help us break down the Beckham family drama, we have Carson Holiday joining us shortly. She is a reporter from the Independent covering breaking and trending news on the culture and lifestyle desk for the Independent based in New York. So we are excited to have Carson Holiday's insight to cover the Beckham family drama. Also, we have a very exciting announcement guys. I know many of you have asked us over the years to do a live show. Netflix is a joke event is taking over LA and on May 6th we are very very excited to announce that the Vile Files will be going live at 9:45pm with the next season cast of Tempest Temptation Island. If you want to have a fun live show with yours truly, my wife Natalie and the cast of Temptation Island. Pre sales already open if you use the code in our episode bio and the secret code will be there if you want to do a pre sale and general sales starts tomorrow, Friday January 23rd at 10am Pacific. For more details please go to netflixisajokefest.com and click the link in the episode bio super excited. It's going to be fun. Wild time.

[Susie]

I'm pumped.

[Natalie]

Hell yeah.

[Justin]

This is my first time learning about this, guys. I'm stoked.

[Susie]

It's awesome.

[Justin]

That's so cool.

[Heather]

I mean, obviously Last Temptation island was like so fun to cover the reunion, so to just meet the new cast and intro them will be even better.

[Sarah]

Yeah. I'll just say Sarah and I were in the room for the last one, so I can only imagine what the room is going to be like for.

[Justin]

This one with a full audience.

[Nick]

Well, this will be very interactive. Obviously this with be with this a live show, we may or may not do more things with the cast of Temptation Island. We will see how that goes. But it if you are looking to have a fun night out with the girls, your partner, yourself, us with the guys. With the guys. Maybe the boys.

[Justin]

Bring the boys.

[Carson Holiday]

Boys.

[Nick]

I hear it's a very, very, very exciting, messy, great season. Our showrunner for Age of Attraction, David Freeman, the very talented producer that he is, is also the showrunner of Temptation Island. So we get the inside scoop and we are very, very excited to see this season unfold. Also this episode we have Reza from the show Valley Persian Style. Very excited to have Reza on our couch. I've become a Reza superfan. I just find him delightful and wonderful and wise. Yeah, very excited to have Reza sit down with us to talk about all things the Valley Persian style. So lots of jam packed stuff to get into. Do not forget that if you have not listened to the Angie K episode that we dropped yesterday, the Going Deeper episode, it is a. It was an awesome interview. She's great. She's awesome. She's so fun. Lots of insight on Angie, her cast, her thoughts and feelings about the show. Definitely take the time to listen to that if you haven't already. And one more thing, Vile Files plus is now ad free. So if you want to listen to all your favorite Vile Files episodes, ad free is now available on vile files plus it's go to vilefiles.com to do so. Check out all our great content which includes all your favorite updates from your Ask Nick episodes. Our deep dive into all your favorite reality TV shows that we cover. So we really get into the weeds on shows like Salt Lake City, Potomac, you know, the valley of Persian style traders. So if you're looking to pull back even more layers, be sure to check out Vile Files plus you will be glad that you did all right. Reunion part two, it really kicked things off with a bang. I mean, the Angie accusation towards Lisa. I just Thought was. I mean, we got receipts, proof, timelines, and it was just a really. I just don't think people realize how dark it is to create. What was that show on Netflix? Unknown number. Right, that documentary about the mom who was basically trolling her own daughter and bullying her in the text messages and the rest of her friends and family. And we were all watching that, and we were like, that is so dark and so evil to do that to anyone, let alone your own daughter. But, like, the reality is, is that this. This sheds a light on something I think very few people in this reality TV space or like, influencer space talk about, which is there are people currently on TV who have done this to their peers, and it's, you know, via text. But the. How easy it is to go online, whether it's X or Instagram or TikTok or whatever. And I think these platforms are starting to come up with, you know, security measures to eliminate that. But to create fake accounts, right, under an alias, under a pseudonym, and. And then attack your peers and co stars, spread rumors, jump on hate campaigns, incite hate campaigns, you know, retweet stuff, reshare things. It could be your friend doing it, could be your. In this case, your co who is like, you know, this accusation, and it seems fairly concrete that it was Lisa.

[Heather]

I was like, kind of frustrating that we didn't get to the bottom of it. Like, no one could stop screaming to the point where, I mean, Lisa was like, yeah, that is my phone number. But, like, I mean, what. She just thinks that, like, they made it up.

[Carson Holiday]

I.

[Heather]

Or photoshopped it.

[Natalie]

Like, I couldn't understand what her explanation was because she tried to say that they put her number in and, like, that's why we saw the screenshot that we saw.

[Justin]

But, like, yeah, I. I just don't believe her. Like, I really don't.

[Natalie]

I think it's more believable that you made a fake account.

[Sarah]

Lisa also was the one that caught Ngh and her Fenster account. So I'm like, Lisa knows how to find out who created an account.

[Susie]

She knows the Fenster world. She knows she has.

[Natalie]

What is it? The Internet security analysis people. Like, why don't you have cyber security?

[Susie]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Can we refute this pretty easily? Yeah.

[Susie]

Wasn't that the whole thing with Whitney was the cybersecurity?

[Nick]

I mean, who knows, Susie, how many people? I mean, if you had to get a percentage, whether it's Bachelor Nation people or just people on reality tv, do you think have done something? And I don't mean like, there was the Mattie Pruitt back in the day where she was kind of, like, singing her own praises, which, you know, I think say what you want, but that's not what I'm talking about. Or maybe people defending themselves. I'm talking about people who go on the attack, who. Who go after their friends and peers under a fake alias and pseudonym and jump on again, hate campaigns and. And do this type of thing. What do. How. How common do you think it is?

[Justin]

It's hard to say. I per. I don't know of anyone personally that does it. I would say only a true villain would. And I'm a believer that we're all villains. But I think this is something very strange where I'm like, only a truly dark person would create an alias and in actively be on it. Justin made a good point earlier. He said, you can lurk, but you can't engage. And I'm like, it's so true. Like, of course I have offense stuff. Of course I. I like, look at stuff, but I'm not even liking posts or comments or anything. But of course, I want to, like, creep and see what's going on. But I would say the people who do this are the people that are, like, actually villains on tv. Like, who else would do it? Also, like, you gotta be kind of aware that in this day and age, you're gonna be caught. So it's kind of. I hate to say this. I'm like. It's kind of giving, like, boomer energy. I'm like, you know, it's gonna get traced back to you.

[Nick]

I mean, I think more and more you realize you can be caught, but I don't think it's that easy to catch now. I think you have to really. You have to spend money and hire people and, like, be willing to investigate.

[Heather]

No, but the way that Angie found out her number is like, rule number one of, like, who is this person? It's either linked to someone's email account or someone's phone number.

[Nick]

But how did she figure it out?

[Heather]

You type in the username. When you, like, go to log into Instagram, you type in the username. So she had this. What was her name? Candace Story or something.

[Natalie]

Candace Story.

[Heather]

She had her username, so she typed that in. Then she put, oh, I forgot my password. So it says, oh, I'll send you a link to recover your password to this phone number that's linked to your account.

[Nick]

Yeah, so her email.

[Heather]

So it was the. It was Lisa Barlow's phone number that.

[Justin]

Was under the account and then Whitney.

[Susie]

Saw the notification pop up on Lisa's phone.

[Justin]

Right.

[Nick]

Clever. On Angie, sloppy on Lisa.

[Justin]

I do know of somebody in the reality TV world that blocked a troll and then it in turn blocked somebody that they knew from reality tv. Because yeah, it'll. It'll block.

[Nick]

Yeah, because other counts. All the.

[Heather]

You say block all the counts involved with this.

[Justin]

Exactly.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Justin]

So it's kind of like it's not that hard to get caught. You have to be super careful.

[Heather]

But then to have this, the, the fake account, and then also the unseen footage of her trying to get Jared to throw Todd and Bronwyn under the bus at that party. And, and Jared's like, no, like, I'm not. Sorry. Like, I'm not. I'm not your guy. Me and Bronwyn are in a good place. I'm not going to do that. And she's like adamantly trying to get him to talk about it is just so like a. Do they show that footage to them sitting there? I feel like they don't. I feel like it takes them a while to find footage.

[Natalie]

I feel like they show them the packages, but they don't show them the unseen footage like that because then we would have a conversation.

[Nick]

Oh, no. I think, I think in those situations, cast is watching it for the first time on the couch. When I first.

[Justin]

They do get shown it.

[Natalie]

But then why wouldn't we have like. Because if I saw something of like Lisa, like that's when Bronwyn should have been like, see, this is exactly what you do. You just sat here and said that I don't do this or that. What's his face. Jared was foaming at the mouth to tell people. And here you are begging him to tell people.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Heather]

So I think that they bring it up and then editors, once they're editing, go back and find footage to put in.

[Susie]

That's kind of why I assumed.

[Nick]

I mean, I only know from the one, you know, when I hosted Mormon Wives, they played clips that many of the women saw for the first time while we were recording the reunion.

[Sarah]

The packages. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

They have these pre made packages and they would show, but I guess they.

[Heather]

Don'T know what's going to be brought up. You know, like they didn't know that Lisa was going to bring up Jared foaming at the mouth to bring that up.

[Nick]

And that part, you know, again, like, you know, the reunions can go a million different directions. But you know, the prep that, you know, again that we did for Mormon Wives, I assume Andy is doing a lot Of Prep has a team. They have a run a show, and he's a professional, so I'm sure he's obviously very good at going where the conversation goes. But they are driving the conversations, and they have a way to make sure things get brought up. I mean, that's why. I mean, honestly, that's why you have a host, to make sure you are kind of driving the conversation. So. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I've never been on set of a reunion for Bravo, so they may do that. They may just talk about it and insert those packages afterwards. But usually you get the best reaction.

[Heather]

See their reaction shot at the bottom, maybe. And they don't show those for unseen footage.

[Nick]

That's a good point. But, yeah, and that's, I guess, interesting question. I. I'd be curious how they do that.

[Sarah]

Did you.

[Nick]

Any of you guys notice Lisa's body language when. When Mary was calling her out versus Lisa's body language when she's fighting with any of the other women?

[Susie]

No.

[Justin]

No.

[Natalie]

What was it? She's like a statue.

[Nick]

She's like, no. Yeah. You know, when it was Brawin or anyone else, or Heather, Like, Lisa's just, you know, she's very. Like, her body language, she's big. She's pointing fingers, she's loud. When Mary was talking at Lisa and criticizing her, Lisa was sitting, like, looking straight, like. Like this. It was so fascinating because it was like, what is it about Mary's critique and coming forward that, like, silent first of all silences Lisa, which is shocking. And then have Lisa just kind of.

[Heather]

Someone asked her why she was blinking so much, and she was like, I have dry eyes.

[Nick]

You know, she was just sitting there like this.

[Sarah]

I read it a different way because to me, it was like all of the women were ganging up on her for so long. And then Mary was the final blow, and Lisa finally was like, you know what? There's nothing I can say. I'm gonna just sit here.

[Susie]

I think it also has something to do with the fact that Lisa respects Mary and wants Mary to like her. And with the rest of the women outside of Meredith, she doesn't give a fuck. She thinks she's bad. She thinks she's better than the all of the women except for Meredith and Mary is how I feel about it.

[Natalie]

And she also said, like, this is coming out of nowhere. Like, where is this? Like, I feel like she was genuinely. Like, I thought we were friends.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I also think there's a level of the rest. The women are always wondering like, whose team are you on? Like, you know, if Heather's coming for. For you, it's like, oh, you're. Well, you're just Team Whitney. And maybe you're like, whether it's true or not, I could see Lisa kind of internalizing this narrative where Mary always kind of comes as, like, this objective voice. Like, I don't take sides. I just call it, like, I see it, you know, when. When they were fighting and. And you heard Lisa say, we're definitely not defending Britney. You know, it's like, she was. She wanted to be. She's like, I have this opinion about this situation, but my motivation isn't to defend Britney. It's just to, like, speak truth, you know? And I feel like, yeah, that's how all the women see Mary is this, like, this objective person who just, you know, isn't taking sides and she's not saying it because she promised Heather she would have her back and things like that.

[Natalie]

I kind of have a hot take on the whole, like, Mary, like, Lisa of it all, but I was just kind of like, I don't know. I think I'm kind of sick of, like, watching people criticize other people for how they are, who they are, and then try to tell them how they should be in order for me to like you. I'm just like, if you don't fuck with Lisa, don't fuck with Lisa. But I just kind of feel like everybody's just shitting on her on a constant, and it's just kind of like.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah, like, if you don't like her.

[Natalie]

Then don't fuck with her. But, like, don't tell her how to be or how she needs to change in order for her to be lighter person or, like, good in your eyes.

[Susie]

Yeah, because I do. Lisa Barlow is exactly who Lisa Barlow is. She is not going to change whatsoever. So, first off, you're barking up a dead tree. Is that the phrase?

[Justin]

No, but.

[Natalie]

No. Barking up the wrong tree.

[Susie]

Barking up a wrong tree.

[Nick]

It could be dead. The wrong tree could be dead, you know?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Susie]

There's nothing you can do about at this point, is what I'm trying to say with Lisa Barlo. And then, yeah, it's just like.

[Natalie]

Like bringing up the whole. Like, it's one thing to.

[Susie]

Exactly. It's one thing to have things that you think Lisa can do better in current conflict, but it's another thing to be like, well, I can't believe you guys are still friends because you called her a whore that one time. Which, to be fair, is one of the most insane things that's ever happened. And I don't know if I could be friends again with someone who did that to me.

[Nick]

But.

[Susie]

But they are, and that's their thing. And it's kind of not your.

[Natalie]

It just feels like you're constantly bringing shit up to be like, member. You should. You should hate Lisa. Like, where it's just like, why?

[Susie]

Well, I think. Do you think that Mary maybe really wants. I think Mary's biggest issue with Meredith is her friendship with Lisa and the, you know, lawyer and not talking about things. And I think she would be like, in her head, she's like, I wish I could just be friends with Meredith without Lisa. So she's trying to remind Meredith of all the bad things Lisa's done to her.

[Natalie]

I mean, that's a take. But I'm just like, again, where I might be.

[Carson Holiday]

You should.

[Natalie]

We're grown women. Which has been repeated on that stage over and over again. You should be able to have a relationship with somebody and not give a fuck who they're friends with. In that sense, if you're going to still be friends with this entire group of people.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Especially filming with.

[Nick]

I've grown to obviously like Lisa Moore since I met her in person and she was lovely. And I find myself wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt. The. I hope by some miracle it isn't true what Angie alleged.

[Susie]

If it is eating, I will say.

[Natalie]

When I was, like, logging in to, like, Instagram accounts and whatnot for, like, here, I'm like, they would give me, like, JStarStarStarMail.com or, like, the last four digits. And I'm not saying that that absolves her at all, but I'm like, if it's giving the full phone number, I do have a little eyebrow raised to that.

[Susie]

But it's also like, if it is her. Look what y' all did to Monica.

[Nick]

So what do you mean?

[Susie]

Reality? Von T's.

[Nick]

I don't understand.

[Susie]

Is it having a fake account to bully women? That's literally what Monica did.

[Sarah]

Also since season one.

[Nick]

No. Yeah, I get that.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So it's wrong. It's definitely wrong to do, like, what do you mean, if she did.

[Susie]

But it's that if Lisa did it, the women are kind of like, they're at least on the show. Andy, too, is kind of letting it just, like, go.

[Natalie]

And Heather was like, we've known for years that you've done this. And I'm like, so then why do you want to be friends with this woman? Because you literally Hate Monica for doing the exact same thing.

[Susie]

I think the difference is they just don't fuck with Monica. I think that's just what it is.

[Nick]

Yeah. I thought Angie was very gracious in her. Like, I forgive you. But the question is, and we've brought this up several times, it's like, what's the difference between that and Monica? It's literally the same thing.

[Natalie]

And, like, why does Lisa get a pass? Or, like, us be all aware of it for a couple of years, and yet when Monica does it, she can't be filmed with or be back on the show? Yeah, just interesting.

[Justin]

It keeps it interesting.

[Sarah]

I will say that.

[Natalie]

You know what I mean? Mean, like, who gets passes? You get second chances.

[Sarah]

And then Heather's drama of, like, we're no longer friends from this moment on and your future is going to be.

[Reza]

Dark, whatever it is.

[Natalie]

What did she say? Like, watch your back, Lisa. It's not going to be fun for me.

[Sarah]

Something like that. Yeah.

[Nick]

It was like a legit threat.

[Justin]

A threat?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

She said, buckle up, Meredith. It's not going to be a fun ride.

[Reza]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I'm sorry, who are you?

[Susie]

I will say Heather kind of had Meredith gagged for a second there. Meredith, she got back. She got back in her. In her Meredith mode. But there was a second when Heather was like, all right, you, Meredith. And Meredith was just like, well, because.

[Natalie]

Meredith got under her skin with the screeching. And I was like, I feel like people have said Mary has called you in, like, look. Said that you look incest or inbred. Inbred. That I'm like. And you're over here mad because she said you were screeching at her for two hours.

[Susie]

But again, Mary's Mary. Meredith is Meredith.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

[Sarah]

Screeching is a crazy word. Can we just give that a moment? Like, that's like insufferable is one thing, but screeching?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Well, the thing about, like, Meredith saying Heather is screeching, and it's like Meredith has literally. You look at her the wrong way and she's like, you're a vile, disgusting person. And so it's like, girl, it's not that deep.

[Nick]

But I thought Meredith. I will say I thought Meredith raised a couple of good questions.

[Sarah]

She did.

[Nick]

When she was just like, if. If what I. If. If I did what you guys are saying I did, then why did you all let it happen? Why didn't anyone speak up? And like, you know, and then they were kind of like, well, I kind of did then. And I kind of did that. But, like, Again, they described this thing that went on for hours, five hours.

[Natalie]

From the second that the plane took off.

[Heather]

Was Brittany describing like the plane crashing?

[Justin]

Yeah, she was talking turbulence.

[Natalie]

She's talking about her. The descent. Right. And saying that everything was a ruckus right then. Which I also thought was a giant red flag because according to Heather and Whitney, this was going on to the point to where they fell asleep, woke up, and Meredith was still berating her. And then Britney was like, oh, this is why no one switched seats with me. Because all of this happened when we were starting to dissent.

[Nick]

Yeah. Which that makes sense to me because every plane I've been on, it's a 30, 30. It's like almost like clockwork. 30 minutes, plan starts to decline. Right. And then. And. And Brittany was like, we were in a nose dive, like.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it's like, oh, really? No one's talked about the potential crash that you all experienced. That's traumatic. Like, oh my God, a nosedive.

[Natalie]

Maybe Meredith pulled your hair. Cause she was so scared standing up, trying to figure out what was going on with this plane.

[Susie]

My favorite part was when Meredith was like, in production, was sitting right behind me. So why didn't they do anything? And Andy goes, were in a different class of service.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Carson Holiday]

And that.

[Susie]

And I was like, I know that's right.

[Nick]

Putting production in coach.

[Natalie]

And then Britney, maybe Freddie and Slip, maybe admittance. But she said when they were like, why didn't you pull out your phone? Britney was the first one to be like, yeah, because like I. Because last time when I recorded Meredith and I was like. And she goes. Or recorded every.

[Nick]

Well, actually that explanation makes a lot of sense. When they were talking about why it wasn't filmed.

[Heather]

She said she recorded Meredith.

[Natalie]

No, but she. She specifically slipped up after that whole thing got called out and was like.

[Susie]

Because I.

[Natalie]

Because I remember what happened to me last time when I recorded Meredith.

[Nick]

We all. I mean, yeah.

[Natalie]

Did it on purpose.

[Sarah]

Of course.

[Reza]

She.

[Nick]

Y' all know she recorded it back then.

[Justin]

We love it.

[Sarah]

I still don't think she did.

[Natalie]

I love a slip up. She can.

[Justin]

She.

[Natalie]

She slipped up.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I think she was doing other things, but we don't have to react.

[Susie]

Regardless.

[Nick]

Regardless. I think their explanation in terms of when they discussed why this wasn't recorded is because these women clearly have an understanding that we don't record each other. That's Bravo records us. We're on a TV show. We're not here to gotcha each other. You know, we agreed to film. And when we're not filming we're not filming, you know, so. And then back to the whatever. Whether Britney did it or not, Meredith's reaction to a potential filming was so intense that of like, of course you don't do that. But again, I think Meredith brought up a really good point is why didn't anyone put a stop.

[Natalie]

Also on the. On the note of recording, I thought it was interesting that, like, Heather was talking about Whitney and saying that, like, Whitney was like, I. My biggest regret was not recording. And she was like, what type of horrible person would we be to pull out our phones and record? And then a fan got her with like, well, you recorded in the bathroom when Lisa Barlow lost her phone and they had no problem pulling up that footage. And it's like, it's true. Like, that's a different. But I'm saying you couldn't pull out your phone and record yourself and be like, crazy or anything. Like, I'm just like this for five hours. Like, I would be pulling it out just to record you. Just to be like, this is what you look like. You need to know that this is absolutely insane behavior.

[Heather]

I can see where they were. Like, it was so bad that, like, the thought of pulling out my phone, you know, it's like when, like, someone gets hurt around you, like, your first instinct isn't like, oh, let me document this to, like, share later. It's like, oh, my God, you know, is this person okay? What's going on? Let me listen. Let me, like, understand the scenario. You're just, like, invested in what's going on.

[Nick]

To me, it makes a total sense why none of these women filmed it. Clearly, lots of unpack when it comes to the reunion. And we will dive even deeper on deep dive. Find that on vial files plus. Well, we are about to get into the Beckham family drama, but before we do, just a quick update on the. The Justin Beldoni and Blake Lively case. You were. We're seeing more and more information coming out as this trial, this pre trial, I don't know what you call it, kind of gets underway and certainly there's a lot of text messages being released and you have kind of the. The Justin Baldoni online army. But I thought what was one of the most telling parts about this case is Jenny Slate, who, for those of you who don't know, was co starring on this film with both Justin and Blake. And there was again, a lot of conversations about why aren't people coming forward? Why is, you know, why is Blake the only one speaking out? Well, Jenny had some very damning Things to say about her co star, Justin Baldoni.

[Heather]

Well, in newly unsealed text messages released from Jenny Slate's phone, it says she wrote, justin is truly a false ally, and I'm unwilling to do anything that promotes the image that he's crafting. As a male feminist, he's the biggest clown and the most intense narcissist. Slate added that filming it ends with us has been really gross and disturbing. Shoot. And I'm one of many who feel this way.

[Nick]

I think that's, you know, again, pretty damning from another woman on set talking about how she felt about this. And I just want to remind people this case isn't just about sexual harassment. It's about retaliation, which I think is, again, the most. The biggest part of the story that people want to forget and they want to basically pick apart, you know, and discuss, oh, well, is saying this all that inappropriate, like, what's the big deal? And things like that. But again, this comes to these women were made to feel uncomfortable. Allegedly he engaged in this kind of online, again, bullying, assault, you know, influencing conversations online as a way to retaliate against these alleged people. He made to feel uncomfortable in order to protect his alleged image. I think, you know, if. If you're reluctant to believe Blake, I mean, you're seeing more women coming forward to validate her. Her story, and I think that says a lot.

[Justin]

Juicy stuff.

[Heather]

I mean, I definitely will be tuning in to the trial. Are they broadcasting?

[Justin]

When is that?

[Nick]

I don't know. It would certainly be highly covered.

[Heather]

I think it was supposed to be March, and now it got moved to May.

[Nick]

Got delayed or something. I don't know. All right, well, up next, it's time to break down all things Beckham family drama. It's a fascinating story. I mean, I mean, it's. Yeah, it's sad. You know, I'm. I'm. Yeah, it's. It's really sad that this. This happens, but it's, you know, it's. It's a really interesting conversation about, like, the relationship us fans have, you know, with. With public figures and are we entitled to, you know, everything that is their lives. There's a lot of conversations about how the Beckhams have chose to commoditize and monetize their entire family. And therefore, does that. Does that mean that they have to share everything? And then they have their son, Brooklyn, who, like, goes on his Instagram stories and just, like, eviscerates his parents. We have Carson Holiday from the Independent to help us break down the story and have a really great discussion around it and that is next. As you guys know, we're really focused on our health right now and that includes making sure our dogs, Jeff and Steve are feeling their best too. Jeff and Steve were constantly itching and we learned that this isn't normal dog behavior, it's actually a sign of allergies. Just like humans, dogs need probiotics to strengthen their gut health and calm and overactive immune system. That's why we use Better Wild Allergy Relief Soft Chews, a supplement designed to support your pet's allergies defenses by strengthening digestion. They're the first and only chew with Ancestral Advantage Wolf Probiotics inspired by your dog's mighty ancestor, the wolf, to help restore a healthy balance of good bacteria in the gut. A premium blend of probiotics called the Ancestral Advantage, designed to rewild your dog's gut. It also includes LSAKii, a postbiotic derived from kimchi that's clinically proven to reduce itchiness and redness in just two months with daily use. It also has colostrum to boost immune function and fight inflammation. Also salmon oil to support healthy skin and fur. Watching Jeff and Steve struggle with allergies was rough, but adding Better Wild Allergy Relief soft shoes has been a game changer. Fewer symptoms happ and peace of mind for us. Better Wild is committed to helping your dog with science backed veterinarian approved solutions that you can feel great about right now. Better Wild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order at betterwild.com v I a l l that's betterwild.com viall for up to 40% off your order. Betterwild.com vill we give up comfort every day, don't let style be another reason. Mack Weldon's Ace collection makes it effortless to look put together while feeling truly comfor. New Ace line, inspired by their best selling sweatpants, combines everyday comfort with long lasting and confident looks. Upgrade your collection for the new year with new bomber jackets, half zips, sweats, crew necks and [e-mail] and get 20% off your first order of $125 or more with code V I A L L. Mack Weldon's ACE collection is truly awesome. Ladies, I'm sure you're always looking to reasons to upgrade your men's closet and men. If you're listening, go to Mack Weldon. It's incredibly comfortable, stylish, it looks good if you don't want to put too much thought into your wardrobe but still look good and stay comfor. Look no further than Mack Weldon's Ace collection. They're a crewneck sweatshirt. It has a micro brushed French terry. It has an insanely soft feel and stretch rib side panels for a great fit. Crazy comfortable, but also elevated sweatpants, shorts, sweatshirts and even blazers. If you're lucky enough to grab one while they're still in stock, you will be glad that you did. Mac Weldon clothes are designed to fit your style and the demands of the modern life. Not flashy, just classic, always in style and made from the world's most comfortable premium materials. Mac Weldon's a collection comfortable anywhere. Go to Mac Weldon.com and get 20% off your first order of $125 or more with promo code V I L L. That's M A C K W E L D O N.com code V I A L L Carson Holiday welcome to the V file. How are you?

[Carson Holiday]

I'm good. Thank you for having me.

[Nick]

We're really excited to have you and to have your expertise to break this all down. I'm very fascinated by this story. Here you have this incredibly famous couple that some could argue were kind of like patient zero so much when it comes to like truly being influential family, right? Like you have David Beckham, one of the biggest soccer players in the world at his heyday, Victoria, one of the biggest pop stars. They get together, they get married, and from that moment forward, they kind of chose to be very kind of public about their relationship. And Brooklyn's birth was highly covered and things like that. And now we're having a lot of conversations around that dynamic. And I feel like a lot of the criticism, especially towards the parents is this kind of dynamic that they've cultivated over the years of highly curating their public perception, which I find very fascinating because it seems to be a lot of fans in conversations about, you know, just kind of criticizing that in general, which I find really interesting, whether it's right or wrong. Because I'm thinking, why wouldn't you want it to look good? Why wouldn't you want it to like, you know, why wouldn't you want your family to be seen in a positive light? But that seems to be getting criticized now. But anyways, fascinating discussion. I am just curious from your point of view as someone who reports on this, who covers this family, who is actually a journalist, how do you see this story and the relationship this family has with its audience?

[Carson Holiday]

I mean, it's so interesting because if you look on social media, the reactions from the younger generations, kids are really taking Brooklyn's side and they're like, you know, it's kind of like the mommy influencer effect. They say every kid has a right to privacy and like people shouldn't be over sharing about their families on the Internet until at least kids are old enough to make that decision for themselves. I mean, and the Beckhams are like super famous for that, especially because they sold Brooklyn Beckham's baby pictures when he was little to ok Mag, I'm pretty sure. So they've just been super public obviously for all of their four kids, entire lives. So now Brooklyn is coming out and saying, you know, like, they've made me a brand that I didn't ask to be a part of. But then you see on the other hand, the older generation, I mean like, even just like millennials and up, they seem to be siding with David and Victoria Beckham and saying that Lynn and Nicola are privileged and he's just a Nepo baby who fled to the US and so I honestly feel like it's 50, 50. It's honestly super divisive, at least online.

[Nick]

And another like a fascinating element to this story is like you have the Beckhams who are rich and powerful and well known, and of all the people that Brooklyn could have married, he married into a family that originally far wealthier than the Beckhams. They're billionaires, they have this old money, she's only known just this immense wealth and privilege. And immediately it's like he married into a family who has no reason to care and almost in a way be like, there's so much ego in this story. And when you hear the stories about the wedding, I'm curious for the household, when you guys heard this story, did you find yourself siding more with Brooklyn or more like when he posted Instagram story to me, it was like, do you guys ever like get in a fight with like a, a family member or a sibling or a parent, whatever, and you get this long ass text of their version of what you were a part of and you're like, yeah, what the fuck are you talking? Like, what? That's how you remember this? Like I'm, I, I'm reading it as this. Like, I, I wonder if David and Victoria when they got told about this Instagram story were like the way he described his mother's inappropriate dancing. Like, I wonder if she was like, huh, like that. Like, because now you're hearing reports of like she was like, you know, had her head buried. Like, I don't know when I Danced with my mom at the wedding. It was emotional and, like, there was a clo. It was my mom. There was a closeness there. And I'm just wondering, like, where are all the accounts of, like, the way it's written is if, like, Victoria came out and started grinding on. On Brooklyn, you know, like, that's how it reads.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Natalie]

I was gonna say it kind of feels like the actual tension over the years has been between the stories between Nicola and Victoria, as if there. There's something going on there in Brooklyn somewhere in the middle. And it's like, that's my wife, but it's also his mother. And so when you're seeing these clips resurface, where it's like Nicola looking uncomfortable taking a group photo with them, or you see, like, Victoria dancing at the wedding, and it's just kind of like, I wonder if that as a matter of egos, if it was more so just like, Brooklyn is the middle piece, and it's like, no, he's mine. No, he's mine. Maybe like that there's a little bit of tug of war, but boy mom. Yeah, boy mom versus, like, my husband, which, you know, I think.

[Justin]

I think Victoria's probably hell to deal with. She's a diva. And honestly, we know what we're getting. We know what we're getting with her. And if you want to be a part of the family, then you're going to have to make an effort and you're going to have to bend at the knee because it's Victoria Beckham.

[Nick]

Well, that's the thing, though. But then, like, yet Nicola, who's, again, like, the heiress of this power diva family.

[Justin]

It's two divas, and who's going to out diva the other? And. And that's kind of. I think that's what's happening. And at the end of the day, like, if Brooklyn wants to separate from the family, I'm like, okay, fair. But that comes with a lot. You're also, like, losing out on the family dynamic, which maybe he's okay with that. I also saw a video, I think, of her dancing with her dad at her wedding, I think, and she's just. She's just a spicy dancer. She likes to move the hips. You know what I mean?

[Susie]

Like, she's a spice girl.

[Justin]

She's a spice girl. What do you expect? Like, I don't know. And. And I say that knowing that if that footage gets leaked or if it was truly inappropriate, then like, like, fair. But I think she's just a little bit spicy.

[Natalie]

I agree with you, I think it's two women where Victoria hasn't been told no in decades.

[Reza]

No.

[Natalie]

And Nicola's probably never been told her entire no her entire life.

[Justin]

Also, for those of you who've planned weddings, like, does it not bring out the worst in everyone? You know, like, it sounds like a lot of the dramas around the wedding.

[Reza]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Like, it's like mother in law drama. And you deal with the wedding drama and then you move on.

[Nick]

Also the element that I don't. Correct me if I'm wrong, Carson. It feels like a lot of the drama is centered around, like this obligation of having to show up for all the family events. Like, Brooklyn was dragged to all these events and it's like, okay, but is that that bad if, you know, like, as Natalie and I, we have our young daughter and we hope to raise our family to be close, whether they end up being close or not or have each other's backs. And I think, yeah, I hope that as we get older, all of our families are supporting each other. And this is also coming from perspective of Brooklyn, who, you know, there's this video floating around of him driving this like $1.2 million car as an early 20 year old with like a quarter of a million dollar watch. And he's like doing this bit with this influential creator who's like, he pulls, you know, he walks up to people, oh, cool car. What do you do? And he like self identifies as a chef, you know, Then this is right after he. And I don't know if this before or after he was a photographer where it's like, this is a guy who like one day woke up and said, I want to cook book. And he had some very powerful and very influential people showing up and supporting and calling him a photographer where other people in the space have to, like years of doing the work. And you guys know I'm usually pro nepo, baby, because I know a lot of people in this space who are children of very famous people, but they're very talented and they work hard and they do have to overcome the stereotypes that it seems like Brooklyn is perpetuating. Is like someone who can just be like, I want to be a chef. And then you see a video of him, like using a flamethrower on toast that's already toasted. You know, you're just like, huh? Carson, I'm just curious, like, again with the people in your space, like, how do. I mean, I guess, how do you see it?

[Carson Holiday]

Carson, I agree with you. Like, I'm. I feel like I'm normally pro nepo baby, but they have to, like, do something to, like, get past the door. Like, you already have your place in the door, but you have to get past that. And the fact that, you know, after that amazing photography book came out, that he was, like, invited to, like, intern at a photography studio. Like, he was just. He does have a lot of opportunities that are just, like, undeniably because of his parents. And I think he maybe recognizes that. And I think, like, him and Nicola probably brought up the wedding. Like, I think that all of the other facts in the statement are kind of like, okay, deal with it. Like, family obligations are important, and that's what makes a family. But the wedding stuff is. You cannot argue with that. Like, that is inappropriate. And you kind of just don't mess with someone on their wedding day. The dancing, I would agree with that.

[Heather]

I mean, it was the Marc Anthony of it all. Like, I remember hearing that rumor that whenever they got married. And so, like, yeah, the fact that, I mean, there is some truth to that.

[Nick]

Carson, you. I've seen. I'm curious what you know about this, but I'm seeing online, I'm seeing a lot of people comparing, you know, Brooklyn's accusations with, like, a Vogue article that covered the wedding.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And from your perspective, how are people seeing the Vogue article? Is that, like, a proof that of what happened, or is that again, like, a highly curated story from the Beckham's about the wedding?

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah, it, like, directly goes against what Brooklyn said. In his statement, he said that Nicola had wanted a dress from Victoria, like, a dress to be designed, and then Victoria dropped it at the 11th hour. But in the Vogue article, you have Nicola stylist saying that they've planned this dress with Valentino for a year, and there have been, like, multiple years.

[Nick]

It said years. Multiple.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Carson Holiday]

So it's like. And, you know, when they asked her, like, what did you think of Valentino designing your dress? She said there was no question from the beginning that it was gonna be Valentino. So I'm confused on why he threw that in with, you know, the seating chart one. No one can really back that up. The dance one. I mean, there are hundreds of witnesses. I. I really wish someone would come forward and say whether or not that happened. There was one guy who deleted his Instagram comment. Fat Tony's boyfriend. DJ Fat Tony boyfriend said it was. I was there.

[Natalie]

I saw it happen.

[Carson Holiday]

But he since deleted his comment, which makes me think that obviously they're on top of this.

[Heather]

What about all of the, like, name changing they wanted him to sign the rights away to his name.

[Nick]

Yeah. What was that about?

[Carson Holiday]

I mean, obviously he changed his name and kind of made like, a really big deal about it and was like, look how progressive I am.

[Susie]

It's.

[Carson Holiday]

It's Brooklyn Pelt Speckum now. But at the time, it. It really just seemed like he was doing that to match his wife. And now he's saying they wanted him to sign away his name, which you changed it anyway. So I'm a little confused about where he's going.

[Nick]

I heard something. Don't know if it's. I read or heard something that, like, when all their kids were born, that Victoria, like, filed to, like, own their. In their ip, I guess, maybe because, like, so other people wouldn't. I took that as more of a protective parent rather than, like, trying to steal from her kid that they gave everything to, you know, so it's just like, what. It's like that part. Yeah. Also in that In Brooklyn statement, did they ask for privacy?

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah, that was the last line.

[Susie]

Okay.

[Natalie]

You know.

[Nick]

But you put it on Instagram stories. Like, they. Couldn't they just have said nothing? Couldn't they have just been like, listen, we have all the money we could ever want. We're just going to live a quiet life. We're going to do our own thing. I'm not fucking with my parents right now, but you know what? I'm not going to throw them under. I mean, to go on Instagram stories and say all that specific and. And just is.

[Sarah]

It's.

[Nick]

It's wild stuff.

[Sarah]

It's.

[Natalie]

Listen, I might be playing devil's advocate here too, but I kind of feel like the wife was also getting. Nicola's getting a lot of the heat, and I just kind of wonder if, like, she said to Brooklyn that you need to make a statement. Because I'm like, I'm sorry, but I'm like, you tell me otherwise. But I feel like most men don't really know what's going on on their wedding day. But I'm like, I feel like it's a, like, responsibility to, like, almost like, have every moment bullet pointed. And it just kind of felt like this many years later to be bringing up solely the wedding as, like, the main reason of this fallout. It just kind of feels like maybe he was told that if you want to protect me, then you need to say something. That's how I feel about it.

[Heather]

I mean, I feel like if he know, like, you know, when you're about to do your first dance with your wife and then when your mom steps in instead, I feel like. Like, there would be a little bit of, like, confusion.

[Nick]

But also, I saw it was a photo of Brooklyn and Nicola, like, having their first dance.

[Carson Holiday]

Nicola and Brooklyn's first dance was to can't help falling in love with you. But then his first dance with his mom was to a Marc Anthony song that he was singing. And also, just to add this in, because I think this is, like, the most egregious part to me is that apparently Marc Anthony said, and now, like, would the most beautiful woman in the room come up here? Victoria Beckham.

[Natalie]

Which is crazy. That's crazy.

[Nick]

That's crazy.

[Susie]

Here's the thing. I do maybe think all. There's part of me that is, like, all of this could be true, and I might still have the same opinion, which is like, yeah, it's Victoria Beckham.

[Natalie]

On your wedding day, though, is crazy.

[Justin]

It is truly crazy.

[Susie]

Victoria Beckham thing in the world, world.

[Justin]

And I think. I think my. My thought on it is, like, I'm not shocked if any of this is true, and I think it's potentially really horrible, and I would be very. It would be, like, so annoying and maybe even devastating to have your wedding day be that. But then I kind of think, okay, just pivot. I don't think you have to, like, post on your Instagram and also, like, maybe immediately, like, if that happens on your wedding day, okay, cool. We're actually gonna just remove ourselves.

[Carson Holiday]

And.

[Justin]

And if they claim to want this, like, private life, which I feel like that's the sense I'm getting, then, like, why three years later, bring all this up? I would just, like, cut the ties and, like, I don't get the private.

[Nick]

Life and the Instagram story. It's like, my. That makes my brain break. Like, which one is it? Do you want to fight this feud online and have the entire world discuss it? Like, the. The Beckhams were not in our mouth on Tuesday, and now it's, like, the only thing people can talk about.

[Heather]

But I will say in Carson, like, you. Like, there's a lot. Every single day, there is some sort of news about the Beckhams and, like, family drama regarding Nicola or all of the kids or, like, I feel like every day I'm reading something new, and I felt I took it as Brooklyn being like, you know, my parents are putting this stuff in the press. I'm sick and tired of it. Here's my version.

[Carson Holiday]

Honestly, it has just been, like, mostly speculation because, like, they were posting together and acting super normal. This kind of all just really started to, like, raise eyebrows. Eyebrows at their bow renewal in August when none of the Beckhams were there. And then obviously he blocked them all in December, and fans noticed that, which is so interesting. But again, like, he didn't really have to say anything. And another thing is that most of the rumors that have been started are mostly, like, by people. And they're like, oh, a source. But it's. All the stories that now Brooklyn is confirming are true. And so I'm st. I kind of believe that it was. Was Brooklyn trying to tell his story but still keep everything okay with his family. But now everything has just gone insane.

[Heather]

What did you think of David's response?

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah, it's crazy because, like, on CNBC maybe on Tuesday, when he said, you know, children make bad decisions on Instagram, like, that feels very pointed. It feels like the timing of that is not to be ignored. Obviously, like, Victoria, Queen Victoria calls the shots. And so I think if she's like, we are not going to respond to already. They're not going to respond. So that was the best David could do in that moment.

[Heather]

Like, kids make mistakes.

[Nick]

I'm curious, Carson, from your perspective, someone who, like, you're a journalist, right? Like, we have this show and we're very open about, like, we talk about these stories, but we're entertainers, right? We don't. We don't pretend to have your qualifications, but from your perspective, like, how do you see it when you cover, you know, the Beckhams and these very famous people who often are very giving of their lives, right. Beckham's. I think that I feel like they're being criticized right now for again, being. For curating their quote, unquote brand. And as opposed to, like, from a journalistic standpoint, you know, you want the authentic, real. You know, you want the story, not the curated story, but I guess how do you see it and how do your peers in that space, like, decide to cover people like the Beckhams?

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah, it's hard because the Beckhams have always had this, like, super curated image. Like, they have been on top of everything. I mean, I keep coming back to the baby pictures, but it's like such a perfect example of it. Like, they knew it was going to be a story, so they made it a story. And I think this. The reason that this, like, feud is so juicy and irresistible is because, honestly, like, I was not super up to date until, like, I followed along. But I just kind of thought it was all speculation and all rumors. And so the fact that he like primary source. He posted about it. I just feel like that blows everything wide open. And it's like not beneath them, but it's just something very reality tv, very influencer, very new that he thinks that he owes like this explanation where like his parents and his family would never talk about this in the press if they had to. If they didn't have to, you know.

[Reza]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it's also just to your point, just real. It's very relatable. You know, I mean, I mean like, so much of the story isn't relatable. You're having, you know, billionaires and ultra rich people fighting over like, you know, incredibly famous interior designers. But like just family drama, right? Or, or just having two versions of the same story, you know, and it's. I think we all relate to that and it's like the, the kind of the hyperbolic response and when you feel it is. Is so relatable for all of us. And to see a family like the Beckhams, it's like, oh, them too.

[Carson Holiday]

Like they, you know, I mean, girlfriend versus mother in law is like the oldest story in the book. It's like we have monster in law with JLo, so it is relatable.

[Natalie]

So it's sad.

[Carson Holiday]

It's like a really big bummer, I feel like, because David Beckham especially has like built his like whole brand on being like a family guy and like, whatever, like they are like the it family. And now it's like everything is not as it seems, which we should assume that of everyone. But it's just interesting to see it all laid so bare on Instagram.

[Nick]

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it does make me sad because it's like you. I mean, thanks for the entertainment, but like, you definitely didn't need to post.

[Carson Holiday]

About this, you know, and the story. Not even a grid post.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, he was like, this will be gone in 24 hours.

[Nick]

He must have known. I mean, I. Again, like the. To me the most fascinating part is like the mother son dance. Because what does inappropriate mean? I mean, what would have my mom had to have done at our wedding for you to been like, that's fucked up, you know?

[Heather]

Yeah, she would have had to like upside down twerk on you or something crazy. Like, it would be like, what is going on?

[Natalie]

That is so inappropriate.

[Nick]

I mean, but like, I think we both cried. I mean, we, we embraced. It was heartfelt, it was sincere. Like there was a true connection there with me and my mom.

[Heather]

But it does, like, that word makes your mind. Mind wonder and like, makes you Go.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And he said that about his mom. I saw, I think I saw. It was like a tweet or something where it's just like, it was critical of, Of Brooklyn and Nicola, where it's like these two are an example of, you know, kids who are basically very privileged, where inconvenience is. Is seen as trauma, where it's just like, I, you know, again, I, I have no doubt that Victoria and David at times might. Their expectations might not meet reality. You know, it's like that. No doubt. They, they. They're clearly.

[Sarah]

They.

[Nick]

How do you. How are you not a little out of touch with your David in Victoria, Right? To some degree. But at the same time, like this. Again, this is coming from a perspective of a kid who was driving a car where only six were made in the world. And he's just out there rolling around, just like, changing his career every week until it lands. Like, that's the perspective he's coming from. Like, that's not normal, you know, And I feel like maybe their biggest crime is, like, buying him all these watches and cars and things and supporting, you know, all of his dreams. I don't know.

[Carson Holiday]

I mean, I feel like it. It's leading to some sort of Hulu doc or like there's something in the works for it all to be spiraling and turning into this avalanche now. You know, if this has been happening for years, it just, it makes me think of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle before their Oprah interview. Like, maybe that's what they were hoping their response would be. But instead, everyone just, like, really wants to see the video of Victoria dancing.

[Nick]

Fascinating stuff. Where do you think things go next, Carson?

[Carson Holiday]

Like I said, I feel like some sort of docu series or a book is coming. I also think if the Beckhams do put out a statement, it will be totally, like, reconciliatory them trying to mend things. But now we know that we never really know what's going on behind the scenes, so there's no telling, really. I don't know if they'll ever fix it.

[Nick]

Well, Carson, we really appreciate you taking the time. Carson Holiday, everybody from the Independent. Can you please let my audience know where they can follow you and enjoy all your great work?

[Carson Holiday]

Yes, follow along with my stories on the Independent. My name is Carson Holiday, and you can follow me on Instagram @carsononline.

[Reza]

Amazing.

[Nick]

Carson Holiday is such a cool name.

[Heather]

That is a good name.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Your mom really crushed it. Carson Holiday, everybody. I appreciate you taking the time. Carson.

[Carson Holiday]

Thank you. Thank You. Nice meeting you guys.

[Nick]

Likewise. Thank you. Fascinating stuff. I'm convinced that when Victoria and David read this, they were like, what the are you talking about? Like, inappropriate at the wedding. Huh?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I think I'm just dying to see this.

[Susie]

The dance.

[Justin]

I think it's crazy that she did what she, like, calling the dance out. And was it before the first dance? Is that what happened? She had the first. First dance before the two of them had their first dance?

[Sarah]

Yeah. Nicola was supposed to do it, but then they announced the most beautiful woman in the room.

[Carson Holiday]

No.

[Justin]

That's sick and twisted. That is that big of a deal.

[Natalie]

But it was like, is that Victoria's fault, or is that Mark Anthony's fault? Like, if Mark Anthony's supposed to be performing the song that Victoria is dancing with him to and not performing their actual first dance, why is Marc Anthony on stage?

[Justin]

I will say wedding planner.

[Sarah]

I did.

[Justin]

I was gonna say this sounds more like a wedding planner issue than. And maybe it's. Maybe it's everyone's issue, But I will say, like, the wedding planner runs the day, and I'm all for a surprise at a wedding, but to put that dance up before the first dance is crazy. And I feel like that's crazy on the Wedding Planner for sure. Because I've worked weddings, and I'm like, nothing should be happening. And if something starts, the wedding planner should be the first person to be like, we're not doing that. Move things around.

[Heather]

I don't believe there is a wedding planner in this world who would tell Victoria but Beckham to sit down.

[Justin]

Maybe Mark Anthony, though.

[Nick]

Yeah, but do you really think Victoria or David was like, hey, listen, Mark, you have to say, she's the most Brooklyn wrote.

[Heather]

My mom hijacked my first dance with my wife, which had been planned weeks in advance, to a romantic love song in front of our 500 wedding guest. Mark Anthony called me to the stage, where in the schedule was planned to be my romantic dance with my wife. But instead, my mom was waiting to dance with me. Instead, dead. She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. I've never felt more uncomfortable or humiliated in my entire life.

[Nick]

I mean, that's such a good point.

[Sarah]

Yeah. So there's rehearsals and stuff. So they knew the order.

[Natalie]

There's also footage of them dancing at their after party all together. And I'm just like. It's just. I mean, and I'm not saying that, like, I'm, like, humiliated. Like, I'm just like. I don't know. The whole thing is just like, seems very exaggerated. Exaggerated after the fact.

[Carson Holiday]

Here's the thing.

[Susie]

I can relate to Brooklyn Becca, because I, as the daughter of a pastor at 12 years old, used to have to be the only child to go up for the children's message. And it was one of the most embarrassing things in my life. And so it's hard for me to, you know, not have empathy for him.

[Nick]

Maybe it is the most embarrassing moment of his life, but most of his moments of his life include, like, you know, know, the ultra rich and famous supporting his photography book and saying it's like a work of art when he's just like, the captions of the book are.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Nick was showing them to me, and I was like, well, he wasn't claiming to be a writer. He was a photography book.

[Sarah]

I have a solution to all of this. I think we can just all agree it was a big miscommunication. Like, I think there's a world where, like, the whole dance thing, it was like, someone stall. The planner was like, okay, Mark Anthony, stall. And he was like, I'm friends with Victoria. Victoria. And then all of a sudden, she's like, okay, let's dance.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I actually don't think you're wrong. Like, I, I, I don't know. I would love to hear what actually happened. I would love for the wedding planner to speak up, because it actually would be very telling. But it does feel like it could have been a miscommunication or an overlook. And maybe it's, you know, she, maybe she didn't have the whereabouts to be like, hey, maybe I shouldn't hijack this moment.

[Natalie]

Sure. But it's also the namesake of it all, too, where it's like his final closing is, I do not want to reconcile with my family. I'm not being controlled. I'm standing up for myself. For the first time in my life, I wake up every morning grateful for the life I chose and have found peace and relief. My wife and I do not want a life shaped by image press manipulation. All we want is peace, privacy, happiness for us and our future family. Then drop the Beckham name.

[Nick]

Don't put it on Instagram stories.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, don't talk about it.

[Susie]

Don't bring it to get rid of your trust fund.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, if you don't redistribute it, if you don't want anything to do with this family anymore. Like, I'm just, like, it's just interesting to me me that it's like the whole namesake thing is being brought up in his. In his Instagram story. But then it's like, you guys have no problem hyphenating and using the benefits of being a Beckham.

[Justin]

And I think, yeah, if.

[Carson Holiday]

If that's.

[Justin]

If that's what they want, then I'm like, I think we give it to them. You know, I'm like, if you really just want privacy from this point forward, we've chatted about it and I'm like, you do you.

[Nick]

It is kind of, I don't know. Never met Nicola, never met Victoria. I did meet David once, and he was delightful. Anyway, back to Kyle and Amanda and sad news.

[Natalie]

Sad news, but not surprised. But, like, it's one of those things where I'm like, I always support Kyle and Amanda no matter what, because it's like Amanda's choice. But if Amanda's done with Kyle, so am I.

[Heather]

That's.

[Natalie]

I kind of feel Amanda says whatever Amanda says goes.

[Nick]

Overall, I hate to see any relationship end. I think it's a sad. I mean, breakups are difficult and hard, and when it comes to public relationships, clearly this was something that had been ongoing. There was speculation about, like, people not seeing them wear the ring. From what I know about these types of relationships, the announcement always comes long after the actual relationship between the two people are decided. It ends because, like, listen, there's a lot of, like, that goes into it. How do we tell people there's, you know, people want to emotionally, like, get through it before they have to announce it to the world, which I think is more than understandable and fair. And also question to you guys, I'm curious, when they ask for their right to privacy, which I personally think they have the right to ask for, does that make it again, even right now, almost kind of inappropriate for us to discuss us or when. When they what. What kind of privacy do you think is it? Or. Or we shouldn't be, like, trying to dig for more information. But, like, simply discussing the breakup in the gen in in general is kind of okay.

[Natalie]

I think it's that they put out a public statement, so of course people are going to talk about it. I think it's just like, don't dive deeper. You don't need to, like, post things on Kyle or Amanda's post being like, got you, queen. Or like, fuck you, man. Like, you know, you know, it's like. Or trying to figure out. Figure out what, when and why. And, you know, I think it's that. Where it's like, that's none of our business.

[Susie]

But like, it seems as if they Kind of saw what happened with Paige and Craig and kind of intentionally wanted to, like, you know, I just think.

[Natalie]

That people were reading into it a lot because I remember, I think it was a couple weekends ago. Kyle had a concert in Canada and he got to the airport, got through security, didn't have his passport. And then people were like, tell me you're separated because you don't have your passport. People notice the rings were missing. So I'm just like. I think there's also like a lot of speculation. You also have Summer House starting in a couple of weeks.

[Nick]

Well, that was the thing. I mean, this is a couple that, prior to the end of their relationship, would lean in to speculation about the relationship all around the time where the next season of Summer House was coming out. And then you have this announcement that goes out and then we're watching Bravo. And then all of a sudden I was like, coming soon, a new season of Summer House. And I was like, you know, and it's like. And then they have the. The. Their other new show. They're like their spin off the city.

[Justin]

City one.

[Carson Holiday]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, their timing, incredible. But again, like, I. But curious. So let's assume that that was in a way planned. Do you fault them for that? Because let's assume that the separation. They didn't decide to separate last weekend. Right? Let's. If we agree on that, do we fault them for at least being like, all right, well, if we're going to announce it, we might as well announce it when.

[Heather]

When I feel like it's like if they're are separated, maybe they're not wearing rings, maybe they're living separately. Don't know. But like, those are the things that maybe they just were like, we don't want to have to hide this stuff right now. And like, so let's just say tell everyone that we're separated, ask for our privacy. Which I agree that they're 100 allowed to do. I think it's so weird that people like when. When people go through tough times for them to like, not be allowed privacy just because they've shared majority of their life, like what they. You want them to also share, you know, like going through this with you. So it makes sense that. That they ask for the privacy. Um, but yeah, I. I feel like maybe they just were like, people are going to continue to speculate and it's just easier for us to tell.

[Natalie]

I also wonder if it's has anything to do with the network as well, because I remember after what season two or three of Vanderpump rules. When Kristen and Tom split up, they did watch what happens live while the show is airing. And they were broken up, but, like, pretended as if they were still a couple and didn't announce their breakup. The season aired. So I'm like, there's also something to where, you know, spoilers or, you know, we obviously know that Kyle sleeps at a fan's house.

[Nick]

So I listen. I think sometimes we often forget that these people, certainly there's a lot of benefits. They're famous. You know, they got all these opportunities. But, like, I do think we should be grateful and thankful for all the people who go on these shows and share the mess of their lives. I don't think we're entitled to it. And I do think they have the right to pick and choose. And, yeah, I'm wishing them both the best. I hope they both get through this, and I wish them both success and happiness going forward.

[Susie]

RIP Mr. Batula.

[Nick]

Yeah. Before we get to our big guest Reza, we did have an episode of Potomac. And I think the biggest story of this episode was we had Mauricio, ex of Kyle Richards.

[Natalie]

Can we talk about how Mauricio is just like the Bravo darling because he's what now been mentioned, if not in three shows?

[Sarah]

He's the gigolo.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Throw him on screen with the women and we'll be good.

[Natalie]

He gave me a job.

[Nick]

Kyle's not too happy about it. What did she have to say about it, Justin?

[Sarah]

Well, I mean, basically, she did what Giselle said was going to happen, but Kyle said she hasn't seen the scene yet. But if that was. If Ashley did flirt with Mauricio, that that would be weird and that she would never date anybody else. That was in the housewife world, which is literally what the women were saying in the scene.

[Nick]

She also claimed that, like, he just bumped into them, which is kind of. I mean, come on.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, you know, you signed a release. You agreed to be miked, you know, which, fine.

[Natalie]

But, like, she was probably there and.

[Susie]

Was like, oh, yeah, I'll do a scene, right?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Nick]

She said if Ashley did flirt, it's kind of embarrassing for Ashley. Listen, I think it's all fine, whatever. But shouldn't you be more critical of your ex then a little thirsty for him to agree to be a part of this episode?

[Sarah]

I mean, you could tell from the scene that, like, he was not in. In that scene to be like, oh, I'm flirting with someone.

[Natalie]

He was just like the housewife.

[Sarah]

Like, nice to see you guys. Yeah, I am in Aspen Like, I'm always here. Like. But then it was the Ashley and Stacey side of it that was like.

[Nick]

Go talk to him, corner him.

[Susie]

Oh, my God. Stacy ate in that though. That was real as fuck.

[Sarah]

Giselle ate when she said, you know, Ashley would take him in a second. And she's like, wait, what's your. Not Ashley, what's your name? And it's like, oh my God, Giselle.

[Natalie]

Also, you can tell Kyle has not watched Potomac. Cause I'm like, it is also not.

[Heather]

I.

[Natalie]

She is the least furthest from embarrassed with flirting with your husband. Yeah, no, she hooked up with her friend's son.

[Susie]

That's her whole thing. And Giselle, Giselle being like, I'm not going to flirt with him, but if I was going to flirt with anybody.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Would be Mauricio.

[Natalie]

I'm like, yeah, she is a real one. Forget it.

[Carson Holiday]

Diva.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Kyla did say that Giselle texted her right away. And Kyle and Giselle are on ultimate girls trip, which are ultimate road trip, which is. Filming started in Newport. We've been seeing that everywhere.

[Natalie]

I cannot wait.

[Nick]

This is like the Royal rumble of housewives. How many housewives we have?

[Sarah]

I think it was 60 plus.

[Nick]

60 plus.

[Natalie]

It's our marvel. It's our Avengers endgame.

[Nick]

The portals.

[Sarah]

I'm so glad that they're giving it the celebration it needs. Yeah.

[Susie]

I mean, it's changed the world.

[Natalie]

No, truly, literally.

[Nick]

So, I mean like, imagine if you're not invited.

[Heather]

But also I feel like some of these women have been on screen for what, 20 years? I mean like, and then Lisa, I feel like is probably the newest, I mean six, right? Six season.

[Natalie]

Six years.

[Heather]

Yeah. So she, I, I wonder how she'll do like with the like true vet.

[Nick]

Some true vets.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Nick]

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[Reza]

I'm so excited to finally be here.

[Natalie]

Finally.

[Reza]

Thank you so much.

[Nick]

Really enjoying the val in Persian style. Personally, you're my favorite on the show. No disrespect to the rest of your castmates. I find you fun, delightful. Everything you say is funny. It's been really great to watch.

[Reza]

That's literally the best compliment you could ever give me. Thank you so much.

[Nick]

I mean, what has this been like? You know, kind of.

[Heather]

I have a question. What's different between Shaws and the veteran Valley?

[Reza]

I mean, Shaws was like a different era. We were popping bottles. It was. We've outgrown that. It's like Adam and I are gunkles now. MJ and Golnessa have kids. All of our friends have kids. We're in this very kind of suburban, established lifestyle which very much suits like my temperament and where I'm at in my life.

[Nick]

Yeah, you and Adam seem to represent the healthy couple. Couple in the. In this group of friends. Is that something that you're, you know, excited about or do you imagine that you and Adam maybe in future seasons will. Will peel back some layers and see a little drama or you and Adam just pretty much drama free.

[Reza]

Honestly, we went through all the drama on Shadows of Sunset. I go to therapy and have been for 20 years. We do nightly check ins with one another. So. So his temperament is very calm and consistent. If we have problems, they're usually my fault. So I try and control myself and like use the proverbial pressure relief valve that is on my body to like get the toxins out. So I don't bring the problems into our marriage healed King.

[Sarah]

Literally.

[Carson Holiday]

Wow.

[Nick]

Yeah. Shout out to therapy for sure. You also seem to be like the voice of reason this season. You know, whether it comes to Gigi or when or when Greg and when Greg and Tanner talk about their relationship, you always seem to have some sage advice is are you, have you always been that person or is this a result again of. Of years of therapy and self reflection?

[Reza]

I think it's a combination of both, Nick. I definitely when it comes to like finances. I was raised by like a Persian Jew that told me you don't pay rent, you own, you don't charge things on your credit card that you can't pay off off interest. You know, payments are for idiots. You know, you don't overspend, live within your means. And so when my friends are making moves and I'm getting the same check they're getting, my advice is going to be don't spend 10k on rent and you're going to leave this house and have nothing to show for it.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Reza]

And I've been married for 10 years. You know, I came from a broken home so I work on my marriage, marriage and I try and give out advice and help the ones I love.

[Nick]

That's, that's amazing. How did you. I'm always fascinated by reality TV in general. You know, I've been a part of it, but it's often not kind to relationships. Did you and Adam, you know, when you embarked on the Valley have any conversations about like, hey, we got a really good thing going here. We've done a lot of work on us. How do we make sure we don't let TV and, and, and how they, you know, it's like it's all about the drama. How do you, how do you guys go about protecting guys have while still like giving us the great TV that you're giving us?

[Reza]

Great question. We used to get into belowouts before we would start filming Shaws of Sunset. Like I vividly remember telling him, you get on a freaking show when you're on the show and the show is about you. We'll do what this is Shaws. But this working with Alex Baskin and 32 flavors, it's a completely different jam Production reaches out directly to Adam feels like he's heard and respected and that has made the complete like 180 of how we used to fight with Shahs and now he feels heard, respected and his opinion matters and I love that about this new way of making reality tv.

[Sarah]

That's amazing.

[Heather]

We're obviously watching a lot of mercede, and Tommy's relationship kind of start to crumble. We obviously know that she's filed for divorce or they are divorced, but there seems to be, like, a huge rift between you and Tommy. So much so that, like, he doesn't come into events. He's dropping her off. He's not coming in. What is kind of your side of all of that?

[Reza]

So when Shaws ended, MJ and I were not in a great place with one another, and we weren't so involved in one another's lives, and she and Tommy were separate from me, so they were doing their own thing. I wasn't privy to it. MJ and I started working on our friendship really slowly. Cameras were down, so there was not an incentive of, like, oh, we want to film, so let's repair our friendship. We did it very organically over time, very slowly, and we got to a really great place. And I was like, you know, is your husband still very angry? And she would paint a picture. Picture that was way rosier about him and about their marriage. And so I assumed things were a lot better than they were. And so when she finally started opening up to me about what was really going on in her life, I was really sad for her because that's what. That's not what she was, you know, projecting outwardly, and it just made me very sad. And listen, I respect where he's at. It seems like he might be stuck a little bit. I would be like, okay, well, maybe if my wife is cool, maybe I can try and get cool. Ish. I don't need to, like, kick it with him, but maybe I can get to a place where I can show up for my wife.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah. Because you're right. It only creates more and more tension. We saw early this season this footage, bridge of. Of Tommy coming into your backyard and, you know, like. Yeah. Like, really taking it out on your garden.

[Reza]

Yeah.

[Nick]

In an aggressive way. And, you know, he kind of said something like, well, he should just be glad he's not there, because I didn't come to beat up plants. I came to beat up Reza. I'm paraphrasing. Yeah, but what was that all about? And I'm sorry, I just thought that was crazy behavior of Tommy.

[Justin]

Very jarring.

[Nick]

Jarring. It's just like, first of all, yeah, maybe you came to confront him, but he wasn't there. And so what, you just chose to vandalize his property? Also, like, probably it's something. You could have pressed charges if you wanted to. Am I wrong about that?

[Reza]

Yeah. I mean, we did kind of.

[Nick]

Oh, okay.

[Reza]

We. We ended up calling the police and she and I fell out with one another and she told her husband. And that was his reaction to it, which, you know, was really hard. He scared us. And. And the things that he was saying about being from the streets and the way he handles, you know, conflict resolution really scared Adam and I because I'd never been in a situation like that where someone showed up and it was really sad. Looking back on it, when they do those flashbacks, it's really heartbreaking for me to see that stuff.

[Natalie]

Are you surprised at all by the dynamics of MJ and Tommy's relationship? Because obviously you haven't been around them in a long time. Like, seeing their relationship play out during the show.

[Reza]

Like, you know, what was really hard for me to see was when Tommy and Vita had a sit down, and Vita was trying to let him know that maybe there's some cracks in their relationship culturally. For us, when the matriarch of the family is saying something to you as someone who respects their elders, I would have said, you know what? This is hard for me to hear. I don't like it. It doesn't make me feel good. Good. But I'll take it under advisement. I love your daughter. I'm going to make things right. And to watch his reaction was sad. It really. It just. All of it is so sad for me because she's got this, like, glazed over look in her eyes. She doesn't have, like, the joy in her life. And I feel. I just. I felt sad. It all made me really, really sad. And then ultimately, you know, obviously she's filed for divorce, which is also sad, but I appreciate her wanting different for herself.

[Carson Holiday]

Right.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

[Nick]

Where do you MJ stand today?

[Reza]

We're rock solid. I actually just. I have a listing in Silver Lake. I had, like, 20 buyers hit me up wanting to buy the property through me. And so I referred her, one of the buyers, and I was like, hey, can you handle this person? And she literally was at my listing doing a showing so I could be here.

[Heather]

I love her so much. I met her at a Crystal Minkoff's party last year, and me and her just immediately hit it off. She's got this personality that's, like, intoxicating. She's just so easy to talk to and she's such a, like, fun person to be around. So I'm a huge fan of mj. I am curious, how much were you involved in, like, making The Valley Persian style come to be, because you've been teasing it for a long time.

[Reza]

So I was actually in London shooting the worst Worst Cooks in America, which is airing right now, and Alex Baskin called me and was, thank you. He was like, hey, what do you think about doing, like, a retooled, rekindled, like, version of Shaws with some of your other friends? And I was like, with you? I am so down. Like, let's effing go. And once the process started, everyone in production was like, refer your friends that are organically in your circle. And so we started giving names, they started talking to our friends, and literally that's how the cast came together. So we were very involved in putting the group together.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Heather]

It really does seem like all of y' all genuinely hang out all the time.

[Reza]

Yeah. There's one couple that I really don't hang out with that much just because I like them in very simple doses.

[Nick]

Microsoft microdose them.

[Reza]

I like micro dosing.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's very la.

[Reza]

Yes.

[Nick]

Nick, Michelle and Jesse, you know, Valley season one, they come in as a married couple, and season one was really kind of about their unwinding and then the subsequent divorce. Obviously MJ and Tommy, we know about them, but it really seems like the other three relationships, whether it's Greg and Tannen and Amir and Natasha or sky and Bam, they all have kind of opened up about, like, you know, you got sky and Bam not sleeping in the same bed. Bedroom we got.

[Heather]

Neither are Greg.

[Nick]

Greg's out there texting, you know, at 2:00am which was. Your line was great. You know, in terms of things that are. What, What. What happens after midnight?

[Reza]

Dick.

[Carson Holiday]

Hoo.

[Reza]

Ha. Drugs? Nothing. You know, things that are very R rated and X rated happen at those hours.

[Nick]

Do you suspect there could be more separations outside of MJ and Tommy with these other couples going forward?

[Reza]

I love to gamble. I'm like, put me in a casino and I'm gambling. So as a gambling man, my money would be if someone asked me on S Guy and Bumsy, because she literally, any moment, any opportunity to throw his butt under the bus, and she's there for it. Oh, he didn't get the bartender. He didn't come true. I'm like, girl, you got four people in your backyard and you're serving champagne and white wine. What was the bartender gonna do other than take up space in your little small backyard?

[Carson Holiday]

Nothing.

[Reza]

Like, get over it. We know you're trying to look fancy for the cameras.

[Heather]

And where were the 80 people?

[Nick]

Where were the 80 people I don't even know.

[Reza]

First of all, I don't think she has 80 friends. And second of all, her yard can't accommodate 80 people. Sorry, boo. Maybe once you get to Bel Air.

[Nick]

I really did appreciate that scene, though. And as a married man, Reza, I'm curious about your point of view, but, like, that whole conversation about, like, husband and wife, you know, in terms of, you know, I like a strong woman. Right. Like, Natalie expects a lot of me. I love that, you know, and it's just that the nuance of a couple in terms of, you know, when you. Yeah, like, when you drop the ball, you say you're gonna do something, you don't do it, Your partner gets frustrated. That's fair there, but, you know, then there's the other side of it. It's just like, you know, aren't we allowed to, like, fuck up once in a while? Can I. Can I get a pat on the back? Can I get like a little appreciation?

[Sarah]

He.

[Reza]

He cannot get up. He can't catch a break. And she savors like she's biting into a juicy steak. It's so toxic. It's such a turn off. And I'm like, where are your testicles, bro? Like, say something to her. And then I remember he's not even sleeping in the same bed. So he doesn't say anything. He just takes it.

[Justin]

Maybe that's why, though, it made me.

[Nick]

Sad when he was like, one of my favorite things to do is to wake up and see my wife's face. And it was like, oh, that's sad.

[Reza]

You know, I mean, that's sweet when that's your wife. That's very kind.

[Nick]

Do you think Greg's a good husband?

[Reza]

So Greg is very unique. I love Greg. I've known Greg and tanning for a very long time. Time. He makes off colored remarks, very inappropriate jokes. He's literally ADHD. If someone is telling a story that's longer than 14 seconds, his mind is wandering, he can't focus. And he is just that guy who, like, if a girl comes up to him and says, hey, we're in town, like, what's cool and fun to do? He'll be like, doo, doo, doo, doo, like, here's my number. Like, you know, and she'll text him at 2am so his intentions are good, his execution and delivery and come through. Are.

[Heather]

Were you shocked by Tannen's reaction to the Porsche? It was like, oh, thanks.

[Reza]

That would be my similar reaction if our lease was up and then we got another Porsche that we Were going to get anyway. Like, it's like we had a white one, and you took it back, and you brought home a, you know, a colored one, and there's a ribbon on it. Like, thanks.

[Heather]

Like, return it.

[Sarah]

We were.

[Reza]

We weren't gonna do this anyway, weren't we?

[Nick]

Yeah, we needed a car, you know?

[Reza]

Like, I think the bow was part of, like, maybe TV land for the camera. The car was gonna happen anyway. I feel like.

[Heather]

Okay, got it.

[Sarah]

Got it.

[Heather]

Was Gigi smoking weed in. In Sky's backyard? As, like, big of a deal as it seemed or. No.

[Reza]

So if you know Golnessa, you know she's gonna smoke weed. It's just what she does. We were outside. There was a film crew there. There were no kids in sight. And other people partook in the weed. And I don't. I don't wanna, like, put her on blast, but maybe Escai was one of those people.

[Susie]

Like, but she might have been blasted.

[Nick]

Yeah, she probably just forgot. Cause she was high.

[Reza]

No, literally, she likes finding little opportunities to come and check you. Like, she revels in it. It's her turn on. She, like, she loves it. Like, let me talk to you. You did something. I didn't like it.

[Heather]

Did you buy any of her jewelry at the trunk show?

[Reza]

Oh, my God. I love that you're asking this so much. And I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this. I'm gonna get in trouble. I know it.

[Heather]

Say it.

[Reza]

Okay.

[Heather]

Twist my.

[Justin]

So hard to convince him.

[Reza]

So that trunk show happened in and around the time of my husband's birthday. And so I walked over and I saw this little charm, and I'm a jewelry ho. Like, you can't really see, but, like, for a man, I wear a lot of jewelry. I collect jewelry. I've gotten my h husband into jewelry, and we're at someone's trunk show. Like, I was raised right. You buy something, it's your friend. You're supposed to, like, support their business. I walk over to the table, I see this little charm. I don't ask how much it is. And I said, hey, I'll take that for Adam's birthday. Cut to s guy sells it later to someone else.

[Justin]

Oh, no.

[Reza]

So I didn't end up getting it, which actually was a blessing in disguise once I found out how expensive it was.

[Susie]

How much was it?

[Reza]

It was, like, ridiculously overpriced. Like, close to $4,000.

[Natalie]

Like, is it this big little charm?

[Reza]

Like, tiny little charm? So I ended up going to David Yurman and buying him a Charm and a chain and making up for it.

[Carson Holiday]

Beautiful.

[Heather]

Well, I mean, was there actually something wrong with going ring when she got it back when she was like a thousand percent.

[Reza]

So I looked at the ring. Oh, so there was a hole there. She put a stone in and it still looked like the hole was there. Even though the stone was in, the color was off, the clarity was weird. It did not get repaired to a level that I would think a jeweler who like, she shouldn't have been doing jewelry. She should have said, you know what? I don't know how to repair hair stuff. It's not in my wheelhouse. And given her the ring back immediately instead of keeping it for a year and then putting invisible stones in there.

[Sarah]

Gold.

[Nick]

Nessa seems to be made for reality tv and that scene with her ex husband slash best friend was really fascinating. But like, do you think she's really hard on herself when it comes to relationship or do you think like most. Like many of us, like she just maybe has a bad picker and just hasn't found her personal person yet.

[Reza]

She definitely has a bad picker and her temperament. She like, she gets irritated very quickly. So if you're around her too long, she's going to get irritated. So having maybe someone who lives in another country, maybe someone who bicoastal.

[Justin]

Long distance.

[Reza]

Long distance, yes. Like she is not going to be okay with any human. That is a rat 24 7.

[Natalie]

In your opinion, how has gonessa grown and changed since we last saw her on Shaws?

[Reza]

So she's definitely. Although it doesn't maybe come across so much so in the beginning because she's looking for a place to live and needing to spend a boatload of money. She has become way, way, way more responsible. She has a son who she loves and adores and she dedicated dedicates herself as a mother in a way that I am just floored and so impressed by her. She's a very great mom. She's definitely much more focused on providing for her child. Even though she rented a $10,000 house, she's very focused on generating more money to be able to afford the lifestyle because like your parents aren't always going to be here.

[Heather]

I mean, and $4,000 a month on weed is a lot.

[Reza]

It's a lot. But imagine her without the weed.

[Natalie]

Yeah, she would.

[Reza]

Did you see the fist she was making when she was at that scene with Dennis?

[Nick]

Like she said, I need to feel pain. Yeah.

[Justin]

That was such a amazing.

[Reza]

I mean, literally through the tv, I was scared.

[Nick]

No, I was like She's a killer.

[Natalie]

You know, Let her up.

[Nick]

Not like. Not on a literal. But like, yeah, don't mess with. Don't mess with Gigi. As I'm sure you watched the episode. Episodes. You're a fan. Were you as frustrated by what felt like the unnecessary scene between Reza and the random girl that showed up to the dinner party? And it was like. Then we watched them go on a date, and then it was like, we're broken up. And I was like, well, why did.

[Susie]

I just watch A Bullet?

[Nick]

Why did I just watch that whole date? Are we gonna see her in the future? Or, like, what was up with that?

[Reza]

He was very into her, and it seemed like a match made in heaven when I was there with them. And then Reza. Jax really tried. He really tried with her. And I think everyone had super high hopes, but, I mean, she turned out to be a little bit of a lemon. So it was like, what are we gonna do? He literally was, like, buying Beyonce tickets. He was trying to stabilize Step Up. It just, like, fizzled really fast.

[Nick]

Oh, wow.

[Heather]

Yeah. Him being like. And I dodged a bullet.

[Nick]

Reza, something I would love to ask you about, if it's okay with you. And I know we typically don't get into, like, geopolitical events and things like that, but with the uprising that's going on in Iran, obviously you're a part of the Persian culture, and so much of the show talks about that culture. I'm curious if you could share any insight to what is going on. Going on.

[Reza]

So we came here on a vacation, Nick, right before the revolution started. And if any of you saw the movie Argo. I grew up in America at the time of the hostage crisis. So my parents would be dropping me off at kindergarten, and the other parents would be side eyeing my parents, like, are your relatives the one holding those hostages at the embassy? And we fell in love with our adopted country. Assimilated and really, like, excelled as a group of people who had no language skills, no money, and came here with four suitcases. And my people have been oppressed and they've been ruled over by a death cult for 47 years, and they're sick of it. And I'm praying to God, God, that they get the freedom that they deserve, that religious dictatorship has to end. Women are killed for showing their hair. It is so oppressive. I literally have nightmares. I used to have a recurring nightmare that somehow I ended up in Iran. And one of the things I'm most proud of, because my parents are from two different religions. Religions. And they're from the wrong side. In Islam, your dad has to be Muslim for you to be Muslim. And in Judaism, your mom has to be Jewish for you to be Jewish. And my mom is Muslim and my dad is Jewish. So I fell into a gray area with no religion and I was gay. So I felt like I had no tribe other than, I'm a Leo. I was born on this date. You cannot take that away from me. Like, if no one's going to accept me, the Leos will. Like, I'm born on our. So in this nightmare, I'm in Iran. I don't know how to how I got there. And I'm dying of hiv. I'm at a hospital and the doctor's like, oh, by the way, when you went to America, they missed. They translated your birth certificate incorrectly. You're not a Leo, you're a Virgo. And in this nightmare, I'm walking around Iran dying of hiv and the only thing I'm crying about is I'm a Virgo. Like my whole life, this one group who I thought I was part of, they took that away from me too. So Iran scares the living daylights out of me. I feel like I'm from the equivalent of North Korea and I have not slept since the uprising started in Iran. And my prayers and my thoughts, physically I'm here with you guys, but my head and my heart are with the people of Iran and I pray that they get free freedom.

[Nick]

Well said and I appreciate you sharing that perspective. And our thoughts and prayers are going out to the whole country as well. Reza, this has been such a fun interview. Congratulations on a hit show. We're excited to see you.

[Reza]

Oh and I have a book coming out I want to plug real quick.

[Nick]

Before plug your book, plug your Instagram, plug away.

[Reza]

I have a new memoir. It's called Memoirs of a Gay Shaw.

[Natalie]

I love it.

[Reza]

I love that it's just all about where I come from and how I got here. And it's from birth to the valley, Persian style. Literally all of it is in this book comes out April 7, but you can pre order it now.

[Nick]

We will put the link for the pre order in the link in our bio so you can support Reza and buy this book also. Reza, where can people follow you on.

[Reza]

Social Reza Farahan on X and Instagram and TikTok.

[Nick]

Reza, thanks for the. Thanks for the time man. Sorry we didn't get to see you in person but come back visit us anytime. We maybe we get the chance to meet Adam and out in some event.

[Heather]

And hang out we're in the valley too.

[Nick]

Yeah, we're in the valley. So we're neighbors.

[Reza]

Yay. We look forward to it. Thank you guys for having me. This was a blast. Appreciate all of you.

[Nick]

You're the best. Reza. Thanks for your time and thank you guys for listening. Thanks to Reza for being our guest along with Carson Holiday to help us talk about all the Beckham family drama. Do not forget to check out our Going Deeper episode episode with NGK out now. And be sure to check out Vile Files. Plus, if you haven't already, we will see you next week. Bye bye.

[Natalie]

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