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Victor Davis Hanson
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Jack Fowler
Hello, ladies.
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Unknown Host
Hello, gentlemen. This is the Victor Davis Hansen Show. Victor is the Martin and Neely Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College. He's a man with a website, the blade of Perseus. Victorhanson.com is the address. I'm Jack Fowler, the host, and we are talking on Sunday 29th June, and this particular episode will be up on Thursday, July 3rd. And by the way, that's not an important day. Victor, I just wrote a piece about for Philanthropy Daily. It is the 250th anniversary of George Washington actually taking command of the Continental army in Cambridge. So that's the beginning of POTUS 1.
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Jack Fowler
Even though he wasn't present.
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Unknown Host
Victor, you've written about why everyone hates Iran. There's some stuff out there.
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Jack Fowler
I said the Iranian theocracy.
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Unknown Host
That's what I.
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Jack Fowler
That's true. The Iranian people.
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Unknown Host
We love the Iranian people.
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Jack Fowler
I understand that.
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Unknown Host
Barack Obama didn't love him. We love him.
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Jack Fowler
Barack Obama loved the theocracy, right? I don't think he liked the Iranian people or he wouldn't have loved the theocracy.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, he was best friend of the theocrats. President Xi of China looks like he is being diminished. A very interesting piece in the New York Post today. Aoc, the bogus Bronx lady, another black congresswoman attacking people who had the nerve to mention Martin Luther King in some testimony before Congress. And I thought, well, let's get Victor's take on that, because he's actually met Martin Luther King. So that and more. Victor we'll get to all that when we come back from these important messages.
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Unknown Host
We're back with the Victor Davis Hansen Show. So, Victor, you forgive my shorthand there of the hatred.
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Jack Fowler
Victor doesn't hate anybody.
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Unknown Host
Nobody. But here's the piece it's titled. In the end, everyone hated the Iranian theocracy. If people want to see this, read it, they can Go on Victor's website. Here's a little slice from it. Did China come to the Mullah's aid?
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Victor Davis Hanson
No.
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Unknown Host
They were not shy about ordering their Iranian lackey to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, through which 50% of Chinese purchased oil passes for President Xi. The Iranians are treated as little more than Uyghurs. With oil, the world decided.
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Jack Fowler
Without oil. Oh, with oil, yeah, yeah, with oil.
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Unknown Host
The world decided that it was tired of a half century of crybully terrorism, empty nuke threats, mindless mobs screaming scripted banalities, cowardly murdering and medieval theocrats threatening the general. Peace, Victor. Great peace.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah. What I meant was that we were told that all. That it was going to be World War Three, 30,000 people killed, there was going to be all these riot. And I thought, why would that be? And I just went. I tried to be systematic. Well, the Russians like tensions in the Gulf because it raises oil prices. They think it didn't in this case. Why would they sell another anti missile defense system and just see it blown up again? And they got run out of Syria and they kind of went out with their tail between their legs when the Assad dynasty fell. And why would you want to back a loser like the Iranian theocrats? And why does Russia have a strong, I don't know, affinity with Muslims after it, in the third Chetnian war, it leveled Grozny to the ground. China, 50% of their oil comes from the Straits of Hormuz. We're going to shut down the Straits of. No, you're not. That's what China told them. And then the Arab world. Muslim pan solidarity. No, they don't. Like the Persians or the Shia. And then Europe. Europe. Well, Europe is. This is very dangerous. We caution. And then privately to Trump. Thank you. Thank you. We were in missile range. If they had ever gotten a bo.
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Unknown Host
So there was.
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Jack Fowler
You just go down the list. There was nobody. And everybody said, well, Hezbollah and Hamas aside, the pact that Hezbollah's leadership is maimed, crippled, dead, in hiding, or each person. Anytime a person from Hamas says, I'm the new Hamas leader, I'm ahead of the military wing, they get killed. The Houthis, they're like, as I said earlier, they're like the Black Knight in Monty Python. Every time they lose an arm, they say, a mere flesh wound. That's who they are. And all of them say, well, we were going to attack Israel simultaneously. We just needed the mothership to coordinate. And they didn't do anything. Iran watched them be wiped out. So when Iran's term came. Nobody liked them. I got a really nasty letter from an Iranian, I guess, American, and he was going through all the defense of the regime, but he was acting as if I had attacked the Iranian people. I hadn't. He's attacking the Iranian people by defending that horrendous regime. And he even went back to Alexander the Great. Whatever you want to say about Alexander the Great and the Persian Empire. He conquered the Persian Empire with an army that never numbered more than 40,000 people at the battles of Isis, Granicus and Issus, or Isis and Guagamela. And so what is the guy saying?
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Unknown Host
Despite being conquered, we really weren't conquered? Essentially, yeah.
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Jack Fowler
That we're heroic and. No, that was the theme of Herodotus, seventh and eighth books. I mean, 300 Spartans out of a contingent of maybe 6,000 held off a quarter million people at Thermopylae or three to one at Salamis. And they lost, kicked out at Plataea. So I don't know what his point was, but he was trying to tell me all the grandeur of Persian society. And I had made fun of Persians. I hadn't. I had made fun of the theocracy, which he was. And then he went into the whole anti Semitic, anti Jew stuff. It was repulsive. I'm going to print it and reply to it, but because it gives me an alternate, an opportunity to make the argument why what? Why our attitude to the theocracy is warranted. The other thing that's worrisome. If there's a lot of people like that, and I think there is in the west, then don't expect a green revolution. I don't think you're going to see a lot of people rise up. Not that they support the theocracy, but they don't want to get killed. And I remember when they did rise up And Obama for 11 days didn't say a word because he wanted him to fail earlier. That if you came to America or Europe after 1981, 82, then you stayed during the Khomeini revolution. You were anti shah. You thought that these crazy fanatic mullahs could be manipulated by you, the sophisticated Europhilic socialist that was going to make Mossadegh another Mossadegh government or something. And then you didn't understand how formidable, ruthless they are. They killed you off, they drove you, all the students that were involved in the takeover of the hostages and then you fled and you fled to the United States in the second diaspora or Europe. And you were not pro American. That's why you see them in the media, you see them in academics. I met so many Iranian refugees that became citizens or green card holders and I just asked them what year did you come? If they came from 78, 79 when the Shah was there. They knew what was coming, they understood that and they got out with their property and they were in business, commerce, etc. Farming, mining and they are very successful here. They're very anti theocratic, they're very pro American. But the second diaspora, they went into academia, they went into liberal fields and they sort of blamed the United States for supporting the Shah which brought in Khomeini, which they couldn't control and therefore their socialist revolution failed. So then they went to where the people they blamed the United States, that's where they went. So it doesn't make any sense.
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Unknown Host
Has your military group ever looked at the Iraq Iran war?
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Jack Fowler
Yeah, we have.
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Unknown Host
What is the assessment of the Iranian military?
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Jack Fowler
It sued Perfeaks. At that point it had about 75 million people to 80 million people and Iraq had about 30. It had double the population and and Iraq had attacked. They held off the attack, they used suicide and they did everything. They sent young 12 year old kids through minefields. They mobilized a huge army and they actually invaded, counter invaded and got into Iraq. Saddam Hussein used 220 volt shocks on the marshes to electrocute them. He used poison gas. It was horrific, much worse even than the Iranians. And then that didn't work. And they had the war of the Cities where they exchanged Scud missiles. Then they had the war of the Tankers, remember that? Where Reagan tried to intervene? That was the latter part. And then finally they came to Khomeini and they said we can't get arms, nobody wants us. Even our enemies don't want to sell us arms. We had to do, you know, hostages. Remember the Iran Contra, they were doing anything they could do to get any arms by 1986 or 7 they had exhausted the Shahs. The reason that they did, excuse me. The reason they did very well in 80 and they rebounded once they were surprise attack in 81, 82 because they had the largest stockpile they inherited from the shah. They had F14s, they had American patent tanks, they had a lot of good material but they had exhausted that by 84. And then it was a war of attrition and the Russians were selling arms. And Saddam Hussein, which was one of the reasons he invaded Kuwait in 91, he was borrowing massive amounts, multi billion floating multi billion dollar loans from Saudi Omar. All of these Countries who were terrified of the Khomeini, Shias. And then when he wouldn't pay them back, they said, you got to pay us back. He said, I wasn't fighting for me, I was fighting for the Arabs. And he invaded Kuwait. But my point is, they didn't do very well. And then that famous thing where Khomeini said, this is the worst thing I. I'm forced to do, the worst, most painful thing I can imagine, that is submit to a ceasefire and basically a de facto loss. So they didn't. And that's important because the myth of the indomitable Iranian military is not backed up by any evidence. They can blow up Marines that are asleep in their barracks via Hezbollah on three. They can blow up our embassy. They can torture Buckley and kill him. They can blow up Jews in Argentina. They can send missiles. By the way, this letter writer was bragging to me and this angry reader, well, we blew up the Weizmann Institute and we blew up a university. That's really good. See, we're effective without the idea that, you know, they were only targeting civilian targets and Israel was going after military and scientific, that is nuclear targets. But no, it didn't reflect well on the ability of the Iranian military. Military.
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Unknown Host
Well, I want to apologize for the confluence of what's. What happened technically here. But Victor's here. That's all that matters. Giving his wisdom. Hey, Victor, thanks for your. For the education there on the Iraq Iranian war and the might, or the alleged might of Iran. And I can't wait to read your response to this. Iranophile.
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Jack Fowler
I guess maybe he's a kind term for him.
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Unknown Host
Okay, Also, you mentioned Hamas before and the headline that I saw this morning, again, we're recording On Sunday the 29th, Israel killed Hamas co founder Hakam Mohammed Issa Al Issa on Friday, and he is one of the architects of October 7th. And you just can't hide.
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Jack Fowler
It would be like you're working for. I'm still writing for National Review, and somebody's knocking off all the editors. And my turn is now next as senior. And I think on the one hand, it would be nice to be editor, but the other hand, I'll just stay home. But maybe they know where I am. So what I want to know, right? It's scary.
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Unknown Host
It's like, remember Hang Em High, right? Was it Hangham High where he finds.
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Jack Fowler
Every one of them? He has their names. And the same thing is they have the names of every single person. They know exactly their role in October, and they're Just waiting for that person to announce that he's the head of the military wing of Hamas that has the law, the Revolutionary Guard Brigade or whatever. And they're dead. They're dead. And that means it's very difficult for them to recombobulate because you're going to be dead, Hezbollah is going to be dead. And I wouldn't, if I was in Hezbollah I would never use a pager again, I would never use a cell phone again. I would never be anywhere near an apartment building that I knew had a missile in the basement.
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Unknown Host
I'd become a Bedouin.
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Jack Fowler
I would never be anywhere in my next 20 years next to a Lebanese that a was missing a hand, fingers, an eye or genital. I just wouldn't be near them because that would be self condemnatory I think. Well, maybe they're going to finish the job. I mean we don't appreciate all of that. And it's the same thing with the car bomb explosions of the physicists. And they had the names if you were an Iranian physicist and they said you get a call from Khamenei. Well, we would like to start the. We have a new place, it's underground, they can't reach it. And we'd like you to get 6,000 and we're going to give you the title of the head of the Iranian nuclear proliferation program. Congratulations.
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Unknown Host
The soon to be ex head.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah. Who would do that? And that's what they don't understand. All of our experts and pundits don't understand that psychological element. You're dead if you do that. And that has a deterrent effect on people.
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Unknown Host
I think even we go back 50 years, 60 years. Eichmann, sorry they found them and they hung his sorry ass as it deserved.
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Jack Fowler
Exactly. And I mean everybody thinks these people are zealots. When the how did Guring. He took cyanide with a secret capsule at Nuremberg. But most of them, I mean Goebbels and his wife shot their kids, he shot himself. What happened to Himmler? He was an ex chicken farmer, he was the head of the SS and then he disguised himself as a sergeant and tried to sneak around and they caught him and he took cyanide. They had the name, the Americans and the British had names of all of those top Nazis. Very few of them were, were defiant. You know, they got out in a jeep and charged the lines. They just either killed themselves, took cyanide, blew their brains out or tried to hide and sneak off. And that's what they're going to do.
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Unknown Host
Well, good Nice to have some earthly justice. Hey Victor, before we move on to I mentioned quoted from your article about President Xi of China and there's some really interesting piece about him out today. But first I want to let our listeners know about our sponsor, OpenPhone. OpenPhone is the number one business phone system that streamlines and scales your customer communications. Works through an app on your phone or computer, so no more carrying two phones or using a landline. With OpenPhone you can share one number and collaborate on customer calls and texts like a shared inbox. That way anything teammate can pick up right where the last person left off, keeping response time faster than ever. Plus say adios goodbye to voicemail. Their AI agent can be set up in minutes to handle calls after hours, answer questions and capture leads so you never miss a customer. So whether you're a one person operation drowning in calls and texts, or if you have a large team that needs better collaboration tools, Openphone is a no brainer. See why over 60,000 businesses trust Openphone. Openphone is offering listeners of the Victor Davis Hansen Show 20% off on your first six months at openphone.com Victor that's Openphone O P E N P-H-O-N-E.com Victor and if you have existing numbers with another service, Openphone will port them over at no extra charge. Openphone no missed calls, no missed customers and we thank the good people from OpenPhone for sponsoring the Victor Davis Hanson Show. Victor About Gee, this is really interesting New York Post piece today again, Sunday the 29th by Gregory Slayton. Maybe I've read him before. I'm not sure who he is, but it's titled Is Chinese President Xi Jinping on His Way Out? Here's what he writes. Over the past six months, unprecedented developments point to the potential and potentially imminent fall of China's Chairman of everything, Xi Jinping. Chinese Communist Party elders including Hu Jintao, Xi's immediate predecessor, whom Xi humiliated at the 20th Party Congress in 2022. They are now running things behind the scenes. Xi is in poor health and likely to retire at the CCP plenary session this August or take a purely ceremonial position. Xi's downfall has been rumored before, but never have we seen the recent purges and mysterious deaths of dozens of People's Liberation army generals loyal to Xi, all replaced by non Xi loyalists. Victor it's very interesting. The only thing I'll add is, you know, we heard Castro for decades was on his way out or dying, et cetera.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah, we said that Putin was sick, remember he had lymphoma he was supposedly on steroids, but he's still around. They can keep leaders, get very exceptional health care. There's always this rumor that Xi was. I think he's the same age as I am. I'm going to be 72. He's born the same year, 53. But he's kind of overweight. He's quiet. You get the impression maybe it never looked like he was happy, but in that type, it's hard for the military and the political class in that country like it is in Iran or anywhere else. Because when you see a leader that starts to decline, supposedly, whether physically, mentally or career wise, you have to make a calculated guess about the rate of his descent. Because if you jump ship too early, he's going to kill you. If you jump ship too late, you miss his successor, you miss the boat. So, you know, what do you do if you think he's. It'd be like Biden. If we were in a dictatorship and Biden was a dictator, at what point would you think the Biden people would get you? Or he was so far gone they had lost credibility, and it's hard to know. But Biden didn't lose credibility with the Democrats until that debate. Otherwise they were sticking with him. And the other thing is, what does she have to show? What was his in terms of the pla? What has he done that is. I mean, everybody was talking about brics, this new Brazil, India, China, North Korea, Iran. Everybody talks as if it's very formidable. But if you look at the members of the alliance, Iran is inert now, Bing. And you look at Russia, it's tied down. It's lost a million dead, wounded and missing in Ukraine, and it can't crush Ukraine like it thought it could. And China's in the midst of this disastrous trade war with the United States, potentially at least. And he's got a lot of internal problems. I think a lot of people are thinking, why did you get so confrontational with the United States before we had reached military, political and economic parity? And why did you align us so closely with loser countries like Russia and Iran and lose a lot of our insidious leverage we had over the Europeans and the Americans? It would have been much smaller for you to be nice to the Americans and the Europeans. Don't gouge them too much. Why? We built up our military. We don't have parity yet with the United States. We don't have economic parity. They have 1/3 larger GDP than we do. So we weren't there yet. You rush things. I think that's what they're thinking.
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Unknown Host
Well, they have, I think they also have tremendous debt or they have these Potemkin cities, not just villages.
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Jack Fowler
They build. It's not that they have, you know, they have 1.4 billion people and they build these huge pre planned cities on real estate principles that are not based on supply and demand in terms of money. And they just by fiat order them. And then they think, well, we have 400 million people that don't have adequate housing, but how are we going to pay back the people who we contracted to build this stuff if these people have nothing? We'll just have to put them in there. If we put them in there, then everybody will want a free house. So what do we do? And they just sit there as empty cities.
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Unknown Host
Well, plus the aging population, I don't know how they get out of that.
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Jack Fowler
I don't think aging populations, it's not just that you have too many people that can't do a full day's work, but they require a lot of young people to take care of them. The society itself is less risk taking as you get older. Geriatric people, you really, when you go to war, when you have a one person, one child family, you're very protective, as you should be. But an aging population is directly tied to affluence and gaining affluence, ascending and more importantly, declining fertility. And they're connected. So it's not the old days of China or the west or any of these societies that you have an extended family and you've got a house with grandma and Aunt Millie and you've got them watching the little babies. You got three or four kids in the same house. That's how I grew up, you know, extended family. We all had these little houses on this farm and we would go down and take care of my grandparents basically from the age of 10 until my grandmother died when I was. Oh gosh, 40 years old. No, I was born in 53 and she died in 83. I was 30. All we did was I fixed the house, I mowed the lawn, I took my crippled aunt from polio to places whether I was at Stanford or Santa Cruz. I drove home on weekends, took them to Eastern Star, the Shriners Masonic Temple, a Walnut improvement club, Farm Bureau grain. I did all of that. And it wasn't just me, it was my siblings. And so that was our job. And then when we were small, three, four, five, six, my parents, if they had to go somewhere, we stayed with my grandparents, was in the house it was only a. Well, no.
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Unknown Host
In China, most of these.
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Jack Fowler
That's what. That's how it works.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. There's. They don't even have first cousins. The one child family policy.
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Jack Fowler
They don't.
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Unknown Host
And for a nation that was. And it seems fine with the.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah, it's.
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Unknown Host
Well, with forced abortion and infanticides. I don't know why they won't be.
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Jack Fowler
Fine with 55% male. You know, it's. When you have one child, everybody wants the male to have the family name. And you know, and there's a shortage of women. Actually it'd be smarter if you were going to be a calculating SOB to have a daughter because they're in great demand. There's not enough women.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Jack Fowler
And so it's a. I don't know.
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Unknown Host
I don't envy any leader in China. Victor, we have a couple of mouthy Democrat congresswomen to get your take on. One of them, of course is a.
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Jack Fowler
Couple hundred you meant.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, but we'll do that when we come back from these important messages.
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Jack Fowler
That's a losing argument. Nobody has exclusivity to anybody. And what they were doing was quoting content of our character, not the color of our skin. That's what he said. Yeah, I heard him at the Grace Cathedral. I think I said, 11 years old. Nobody has a right. That's like saying, well, you're not white, so don't dare Lincoln. He's my Lincoln. He's not everybody's Lincoln. And that gets me really angry. You know what is happening now with the black elite community, especially in journalism and media and politics and the administrative state, Two things are happening. One is they are hemorrhaging voters to the right and they know that. So you've got 15% of the black vote, but 26% of black male. So it really weakens the argument to say that anybody who votes for Trump is racist. Because if you do that and you're a black leader, like Obama learned when he started yelling and screaming at those aides to harass you, talk down to people. But more importantly, chances are that every 25% you're going to be talking to somebody voted for Trump in the case of blackmail, more if you're a Hispanic leader. So that's one thing that racialist tribalist group has. And the other thing is it's very hard to invoke. The per capita income between black Americans and white Americans is not nearly as wide as white Americans and Asian Americans. It's not. It's about $10,000, I think 15,000, but as I said, it's about 60,000 to 100,000 with the top groups of Asian Americans. What I'm getting at is class is not an indicator, a reliable indicator of a person's race anymore. So you have a whole thriving black middle and upper class. The Wall Street Journal today has an article, for example, about all these black families that are making in states like New York or Pennsylvania and California, a quarter of a million dollars are 300 and they're complaining that they're not rich. But if you look at the pictures of their garage, there's a Cadillac, there's Teslas. One woman is complaining, well, we make 350, but we can't afford the seventy thousand dollar tuition room for our kid in private school. Another one says, we paid 9,000 for my son's athletic program. The point I'm making is that for that new demographic, which is about 50% or higher, the old race, race, race, race, we're victims where it doesn't mean anything. What they're wanting to know is, why am I in California paying $5.50 for gas? Why is kilowatt usage costing me 30 cents a kilowatt? Why are you banning natural gas stove? Why would you ban fracking? They have like anybody else but this fossilized elite. And Amber is still into tribal politics. That's how they got elected from these black districts and Hispanic districts. But they don't represent necessarily the rank and file anymore. Not when in the case of Hispanics, 50% voted for Trump and 54% support him now, according to the recent polls, and maybe more for deportation. And then, so what happens is they understand that people who are self identified and self appointed as custodians of racial fides, so then when they start to see this hemorrhaging, they double down. They get ultra sensitive and they say things that are either silly or racist. And so I'm talking about not just politicians, everybody. So just the last two weeks, you've got Jasmine Crockett saying, and then she goes into the fake accent because she's a preppy that went to private school, upper middle class, and she knows she's hemorrhaging supporters. So like aoc, she's got to reestablish that. She has a ghetto accent and she turns it on. It's fake. But more importantly, she's got to say something about white people. So she said, and finally, you know, Kamala Harris, we just voted for old white man. Just voted for an old white man. And then Whoopi Goldberg, you know about all of her blacks have it worse than people in Iran. And we had Ilyan Omar not too long ago saying, you know, the biggest threat is white men as terrorists. So they say white, white, white, white, white, white. They're obsessed with it because they're trying to find something to fan up a re enthusiasm or some anger or racism. They're desperately looking for a Charlottesville or they're looking for a Michael Ford or they're looking for something because they are out of touch with this new movement that is actually a proof of the success of the Hispanic and black classes to become upper class, you know, upper mobile people. And they don't want want that to happen because they were selected as the anchorwoman, they were selected as the caucus chairman, they were Selected because a large part of their race and they don't need to do that anymore. But they don't have confidence that they could do it. They're not Tom Sowell. They're not Shelby Steele. They're not people who have confidence in their own exemplary talents and powers.
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Unknown Host
Well, Victor, I want to remind our listeners they should maybe want to check previous episodes. And Victor had some very long takes. You don't have to do it now on your meeting of Martin Luther King as a. As a young kid and hearing him and actually, I think you patted your head or something like that way back. So kind of very interesting.
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Jack Fowler
He walked around the entire congregation at Grace Cathedral and he shook everybody's hand right by the door. My mom pushed me in when they closed the door. And we'd gotten up six hours to drive to San Francisco and there were some African American women who contacted a woman that we knew and didn't have a ride. So we went all the way out to Hunter's Point and picked up two African American women that were elderly. And so we couldn't find a parking place. We came late. So we were in this huge line and finally they said, the doors are closing. I don't know why my mom would do it. I think it was 11. And she just pushed me and I almost tumbled into the door. And then they locked it. And I was by myself and I listened to. I can remember what he said. It was content of a character, he said. I think he said that. But he also said, if you're going to be. If you're a landscaper, if you're a janitor, whatever it is, you're going to be the best at what you do. And that's important. You don't complain. You just be the best, and then things good will happen to you. He said that a lot. I don't know if it was on the record. He was just answering, but he was. I was. I remember told my mom, I said, whatever you're doing, you're doing the best. That doesn't matter what you're doing. It's how you do it and the level of expertise. And so for her to say that because she happened to go to King's historic church and a white person didn't, that makes her an authority on Martin Luther King. That's not the way it works. I'm sorry. We don't make rules for you. We don't say that this person is white and therefore you can't quote them. You can have just as much Shakespeare and Socrates representative are just as much yours as they are mine. Just. Just because they look like me has nothing to do with it. So you can be one of the biggest fans of Aristophanes, even though he's white. And I'm not going to say, oh, how dare you. I went to Athens where he lived. Don't ever mention his name again unless I'm a racist. If I'm a racist, I'll say that. But you're a racist, and that's why you say it. And that's what's sad. I think what's happening here with the whole recalibration of the social, cultural, political landscape is the tolerance for that now because of upward mobility and affluence and class not being. Trump's success with appealing to people on their class shared interests rather than the racial segregated interest, is that you're going to see more and more of that strident racial demagoguery, and you're going to see less and less tolerance for it. I just turn it out, Tune it out. No, I've had a couple people who do that, and I won't mention their names. That when they start in, I just. I can't talk to you about it. I don't want to talk about it. I want to hear it anymore. I just don't want to hear it. I don't do it. I don't want you to do it. California, the largest minority is Hispanic, 45% of the population, 46%. I have a lot of Hispanic friends. But if somebody starts the same as a Latina, as a Latino, Latino, Latino, I just turn out fine. You can be a Latino. I don't want to hear it. Well, you would, and I expect you wouldn't want to hear me saying, as a white person, As a white person. As a white person, I wouldn't do it.
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Unknown Host
What if they said as a Bronx native? So, Victor, I am a Bronx native.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah. Well, that's a different thing because you're not identifying by race. No, but.
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Unknown Host
But there's something about I'm from the Bronx that implies this toughness, this kind of.
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Jack Fowler
Is the Bronx considered more. Is it considered tougher to grow up in than Queens or vice versa?
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Unknown Host
Yes. Yeah.
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Jack Fowler
Queens is an upper echelon compared to the Bronx.
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Unknown Host
The Queens had many more had nicer.
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Jack Fowler
Neighborhoods than is the Bronx. It's below Staten island, too. As far as snobbery scale goes, Staten.
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Unknown Host
Island is above the Bronx. Is the five boroughs Bronx ranked. Yeah.
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Jack Fowler
And so she uses that to cement her egalitarian proletariat well, but very interesting.
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Unknown Host
It came up last week and this had been raised before, but it's getting a lot of attention. She grew up in Yorktown Heights, which is a suburban community in Westchester, north of New York City. Very.
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Jack Fowler
In Connecticut, right?
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Unknown Host
No, in New York City. Yeah, it's in Westchester County. But there's a state, Republican, state assemblyman, assemblyman named Matt St. Slater, who's a graduate of her high school. And he was a senior when she was a freshman. I think she was on the track team and so was he. And he's like, what is this BS that she's from the Bronx, she's from Yorktown Heights, you know, just be who you are. So anyway, her authenticity as a tough. Because the Bronx.
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Jack Fowler
Obama. Remember Obama? He was Barry Sortello or something from a while. And then he was Barack Sortello. Then he was Barack Obama. I don't think he used that name till he got to Occidental and he found out that it was. He said that in his memoirs. I read Dreams from My Father and basically said he didn't want to date white people. He gravitated toward black people because he saw that there was more career opportunities for emphasizing one half of his racial pedigree than the other half. That's what he basically said. Even though the half that he emphasized in his particular case, his father was nowhere to be found and his mother was. And especially his grandmother was ubiquitous. I don't think his grandmother and grandfather that brought him up and scrimped and saved. She had been a bank teller who worked herself up to a bank president. Gave. I think when she died, each one had got a $450,000 inheritance. I don't think that she ever referred to her grandson as anything other than Barry. I think that Barack came after they were gone out of the house and he did that in college. Be kind of sort of like if Sweden was a big powerhouse right now or it was really the nice thing. I think I would rename myself as Leif or maybe Thor. Thor Leif Hanson. I put two S's on there too. Hanson. I have a brother named Nels, so maybe that's. And one name, Alfred, which is kind of an English Scandinavian.
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Unknown Host
But anyway, once upon a time, Sweden was the Bronx of in the toughness.
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Jack Fowler
Yes. Charles. Charles XII invaded Russia and he almost got. He got quite there. They were the most warlike of all the Scandinavian people. Yeah, I just was speaking to a Swedish member of this international delegation. I gave a lecture and question answer. I don't want to give much information who she was or anything. But you could tell that she was on the left of center, which meant she was Swedish. And I started to talk about the wonderful Swedish Gripen air fighter that Saab makes and the latest additions to NATO, both Finland and Sweden. Sweden brings very sophisticated armor, armored cars, fighters, missiles, some of the best munitions in the world and Finland has the best artillery in the world. So when we got those two additions that was a plus plus. And I was just saying that and I thought, I caught myself halfway through. I thought, oh, she's a pacifist and I'm offending her. And of course she's Swedish more than she's a pacifist. So she had a big smile and was correcting me on weapons and things and adding to the munitions that Sweden is underappreciated for.
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Unknown Host
Victor, I want to ask you a question about a former commie fuzzy how former his communism was. And then we're going to take a break and get into the final chapter of the show where I want to get some your thoughts on some things going on in Africa. But John Brennan, I'm just curious, how does he have any cachet? He's still on the boob tube and he was on saying that Iran needed enriched uranium. By the way, John Brennan was a member of the Communist party.
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Jack Fowler
He voted for Gus Hall.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Jack Fowler
Has he formally announced that he's converted to Islam? No, I'm serious.
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Unknown Host
Are you serious?
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Jack Fowler
Yeah. No. No. Maybe.
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Unknown Host
No, I don't know that.
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Jack Fowler
No. He at one point said that he was.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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Jack Fowler
All I know about him is he was a under brain Bush. He was for enhanced interrogations at Guantanamo. So he was a mirror image of whoever, whomever he worked for. And then when that became a liability, he attacked Bush. And then he wanted to be a CIA director, I think Obama thought. Then he came out and said that that was torture. And then he weaseled his way back in by attacking Bush that he worked for and flipped and became left wing and worked for Obama. He finally made CIA director and then he lied under oath on two occasions. Once he was asked directly if the CIA was monitoring the computers of Senate staffers. They were. And he said no. Should have been fired there and should have been charged with perjury. And then he made an astounding statement of the Predator drone assassination missions that Obama was very proud of on the Afghan Pakistan border. He said there wasn't any, any, any collateral damage. That was a complete lie. So when people even in his own party were thinking about charging him with something, they brought him in. And he was contrite, of course, kind of like James Clapper when he said that the NSA doesn't spy on people. And then they said, you're a pathological lie. Oh, here's the data. And he said, I only gave the least untruthful answer. I don't know why they weren't fired. I don't know why they weren't charged with perjury. I don't know why they didn't yank their security clearances. I'm glad that Trump finally did. And no one listens to them. Each of them then went to lucrative billets, respectively, at MSNBC and cnn. But you're right when you hear anything from James Clapper and they both Clapper was the one that said that Trump was a Putin asset, a Russian asset. So did Brennan, essentially. So they bought into the Steele dossier. They were two of the organizers or the prominent people with the 51 intelligence authorities. They have a horrible record. And so why would anybody listen to anything they say?
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Unknown Host
Well, Victor, one of the perpetual head scratchers. Hey, we're going to take a final break here, then I'm going to pose a question or two to you, Victor, about what's going on in Nigeria and some peace settlement in between Rwanda and Congo. And we'll do that when we come back from these final important messages. We're back with the Victoria David Hansen. David, I did introduce you as that.
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Jack Fowler
One, I would say, and to the few people who know who I am, a very small number, I would say 80% call me David, not David.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, it was so embarrassing. I know I've mentioned this on the show before when we were visiting with Sarah Palin in 2007 at her at the governor's home and she was hosting us on a National Review cruise. And, and I was introducing people and I'm looking right at you. And I said, victor, David. And as soon as the duh came out of my mouth, I'm like, what an idiot. Amongst the many idiotic things I've said. You know what, maybe I was feeling tired, foggy or running low on energy lately.
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Jack Fowler
There was a very famous political analyst at the time, probably the most famous at that time in history, and I won't mention his name. And he turned to me as we were in the bus from the cruise ship to the gubernatorial mansion, and he said, now do you know anything about this woman? And I said, a little bit. And he had a printout, I think it was Wikipedia or something. And we got there and he kind of hijacked you were talking or somebody. And he said, now let me just say something. And she's an upcoming. She's going to be a. Remember that.
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Unknown Host
We can say the name if you're. It was Dick Morris. And that's how many venues. And that's. That's totally Dick doing that.
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Jack Fowler
But I give him. He was impromptu, but you would have thought that he had been an intimate observer of her political career.
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Unknown Host
Well, he did think.
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Jack Fowler
Remember he wrote a book called Hurley vs Conde, didn't he?
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Unknown Host
Oh, yes. He had a lot of best sellers. But Dick, when we went to visit, when we went to Alaska in 2007, her popularity in state polling was over 90%. And many people thought, you know, she had been the governor of Colorado, something like that. Everyone would be talking about her.
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Jack Fowler
You know what's funny is I have a friend that was very angry in that year when John McCain selected her. And he said to me, I can't believe he picked her. He picked her after meeting with her without even, you know, background or consult, supposedly. But if you remember, she was in the kitchen. You remember when we were. She was in the kitchen. She slipped off her shoes and she was walking around in bare feet or stalking. And she must have been. How old do you think they're. 40, 30?
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Unknown Host
That was almost 20 years. She was. Yeah, she was. Well, she had a kid a year later, so, yeah, she was early 40.
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Jack Fowler
I thought when I saw her, she was absolutely stunning and she was smiling and winking. She was captivating. She really was. She had kind of a middle class accent and I can see. And then when that thing happened, I remember that they put Nicole Wallace as her personal handler as communication director. And then we found out later that Nicole Wallace and her staff were snickering about how Sarah Palin didn't have a. A knowledge of wardrobes and makeup and she didn't have any clothes. Remember that? All that they were sabotaging by leaking to the press that she was some kind of bumpkin.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Jack Fowler
And she'd never really been on the national stage. I thought she won or at least kept even with Joe Biden in the debate.
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Unknown Host
She was terrific in it.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Same thing at that meeting. She said, so tell me about your family, how many kids you have. Like, she was genuinely interested in other people.
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Jack Fowler
She was a very nice. She was absolutely stunning that day. I can remember that. I know.
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Unknown Host
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Jack Fowler
I'm sorry, religion, peace.
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Unknown Host
I'm sorry, I forgot.
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Jack Fowler
But I gotta ask that. I don't want to keep going back in a separential manner, but when I was talking to these international State Department type, I think there were 40 countries or 35, there was somebody from the Congo and he was asking me what the Trump administration added to what was driving their views of Africa. And I said, well, we get most of the attention on Europe because of trade and Asia, but Latin America and Africa kind of get left out. But there were two concerns, it seems to me, in the Trump administration about Africa. One is economic and the other is cultural. And the economic is they're very worried about Chinese influence and the Belt and Road initiative, both in an Idealistic sense that these countries are getting in terrible debt, allowing China to build highways, bridges, ports, airports, and then paying for it by natural resources, which I never understood that either. You said that. Why aren't people getting outraged about Christians? And I can't figure out, figure it out. Because the other cultural worry is what you're talking about. There's a lot of people that are surrounding Trump that are angry that there's no attention to the slaughter of Christians in Africa. But there's also no, there's no, there's no condemnation for China. That was a Western country that went into the third World and built segregated enclaves so the people were not interacting with the local population and then building these substandard, a lot of our substandard infrastructure projects and then charging them for it and making them pay with copper or lithium or whatever they pay for, there would be international outrage. That's another thing about the international left. They don't mention China at all. I can't figure they're just scared of China or they're bought off by China or they still have this nostalgic idea, a little strange. And their college cap they wore, you know, a Mao suit they put on. I don't know what it is. But those are the two things that really, I think, concern the administration. And same thing with Islam. It's like China and the religious sphere. It has a complete exemption from the same type of scrutiny that other religions or the west has put under. And you know, it's, you can see it on October 7th, you can see it in the Iran war. All of a sudden Israel is taking out physicists that have a military component to their occupation and people in the military and military targets. And this crazy person from Iran or an Iranian somebody expatriate, writes me that he's boasting, boasting that I underestimated the efficacy of the Iranian military because they attacked the university and a research cancer institute. He's bragging about that. And he's so inured to the idea that Westerners would never challenge him or his left wing politics or his Islamic politics that he can say things that are self contradictory and condemnatory. Because you say, well, if you're such a superior civilization or religion, why are you bragging that you attack a non combatant doctor or surgeon or researcher when the other side is not doing that? And you're bragging about that, that the only people you can kill are defenseless. I haven't kept up to date, but I don't think that Iran killed one soldier in this 12 day war. Maybe they did that was on leave or something but it was a war against civilians and I don't think that Israel deliberately targeted very many civilians unless they were working on nuclear project. But anyway.
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Unknown Host
Okay. Well Victor, we're at the conclusion of our of our show which is a day out from the 4th of July. So we hope our listeners and viewers enjoy themselves on this federal federal holiday great day 249th birthday of America. Next year will be the semi sesquicentennial. So I have that right. We conclude our shows with some comments from our listeners and readers and here are two One is headlined so much great information and knowledge. And this is from mdhbpb who writes I'm 74 years old, retired RN and I only wish I'd known about VDH many many years ago. Thank you so much for helping me and I'm sure millions of others understand our history as well as present. I listen every day if possible. Keep up the great work. And then the other comment is from Tony L. Upchurch. I think this is off of YouTube. I've always thought of VDH as a very rare animal, kind of like a wolverine, the highest level of intelligence, very stealthy and fearless. And everyone wants to know what he thinks. He's giving me a free education in his columns for over 35 years. Thank you VDH. I'm so glad you are feeling.
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Jack Fowler
I appreciate that. Yes, I am. I had my two week, just had my two week checkup and I was whining to a great surgeon that I didn't feel 100% and he made the connection. If you had an open sore the size of a dime or a quarter inside your notice and that's where you cut the tissues out. If you had a canker sore that was 10 times bigger, would you feel bad? Or you had a big sore the size of a coin on your leg, 2 meters, 2 millimeters. And I said if you put it that way it would hurt. He goes, well, that's right next to your brain. So his basic attitude was to correct Victor's type A extreme personality and say calm down, the surgeon knows best. He does. And at two weeks to be wiped out and to have, you know, pain in your sinus doesn't mean that the problem wasn't solved. It's just the solution. Still hurts. I like him a lot.
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Unknown Host
I don't know that you have a type A or type B. I think you just have a type V. You just, you have your personality quite unique, my friend.
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Jack Fowler
Well, I think I inherited. My parents were don't say neurotic, but workaholics.
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Unknown Host
Workaholics.
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Jack Fowler
I don't relax like I should. What I'm saying.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, you don't sit down.
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Jack Fowler
And that's not indirect. I have siblings that were very calm, quiet. I mean that, that were able to calm down, but I can't. If I'm watching TV, I'm typing @ the same time.
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Unknown Host
Well, you, you write like a fiend. And are you, you're finished. You finished your book, by the way.
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Jack Fowler
Yeah, I, I started on January 5th, the Trump book, as I'm working on today, 120,000 words. And I have to have somebody look over and edit it, which I do have. They're correcting typos and stuff. And I had another and I'm going to go through the final copy and submit it.
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Unknown Host
All right. Be prepared, listeners, viewers, readers. So hey, Victor, you've been great. Thank you for, for all the wisdom you shared. I want to thank the folks who have written me, many have about Civil Thoughts, the free weekly email newsletter I write for the center for Civil Society. You can subscribe. What happens when you subscribe? Well, every Friday you will receive from me an email that has 14 recommended readings, worthwhile, important, groovy, cool articles I've come across the previous week. When you subscribe, be sure if you free, we're not charging you and we are not selling your names. We just do it out of the kindness of my, my heart. Just check it out. Sign up at civil thoughts, civil thoughts.com thank you again, Victor. You've been terrific. We'll be back soon. Thank you with another episode of the Victor Davis Hansen show and God bless America.
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Jack Fowler
Thank you everybody for listening. Much appreciated and viewing.