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Victor Davis Hanson (9:12)

My initial thought is aside from the meeting, our retired general and admirals will be very careful what they say about him because in the first term, as I mentioned on this podcast, we had about eight or nine admirals and generals who called their commander in chief variously, essentially a Hitler, a fascist, a pathological liar, a fascist, a fascist, a fascist, and of course compared him to the jailers at Auschwitz. And they were all subject to Article 88 of court martial, as we talked, for insulting that statute, if you read it, refers to the DoD too. So this administration, as we can see with the Bolton case and now with Comey, has zero tolerance for people who they feel are breaking the law. So I don't think a retired general or admiral will disparage the Secretary of defense and say that he's a Nazi or something, number one. Number two, I don't know what he's up to other than I think he's going to bring all of them in and maybe some of them. Everybody's saying, well, this is, this is a moment where we're weak, or seven days in May or something like this. The Chinese or Russians will take it, but a lot of them will do it by zoom that are out actually on patrol and submarines or, you know, I don't know how many generals are admiral soldiers, but I don't mean that they're out in the ocean or they're out on bases. But I think he's trying to tell them that we're going to emphasize battlefield efficacy and that means that we're going to have the same physical standards for men and women. We want all the women in the military, but in a small unit combat situation, everybody has to rely on everybody's minimum degree of physical strength. Number one, we're not going to have political weaponization. So you're not going to, you know, form a little league of left wing or right wing cadres within the military. You're not going to be political activists, you're not going to insult on social media, civilian overseers, all of that. I think that's what he's going to do and he's going to have to address that. We have more, I think we have more more full time generals and admirals than we did during the Vietnam War, Korean War. Is it up to over 400 or something? So I think we're top heavy. I wish he would also say that there's going to be a new rule that if you are a four star admiral or a four star general, you should not, upon retirement, go work for a defense contractor for 10 years, which would basically say don't do it because I think we have too many admirals and generals that are lobbyists or board members for Lockheed or, you know, General Dynamics or Raytheon that then have a whole legions of subordinates that are still in the Pentagon acquisitions. And they obviously have a great deal of respect for a four star admiral. And so when they pitch a weapon system or something, it's just not going to work is what I'm trying to say.

Jack Fowler (12:37)

Yeah, also kind of presses on having a expensive weapon system. So if I'm going to lobby for something, I want something that's $100 million, not something that may be $25 million.

Victor Davis Hanson (12:50)

Right? Yeah. I mean, I've written a syndicated column for 25 years and I'm. You got to be trans. We have ads on our podcast. But I think in 25 years I probably got 200 private notes from people and said, hey Victor, why don't you mention what I'm doing here? I'm a lobbyist for this group or I have a weapon system that you'd be interested in and I wish you would push it. You can't do that. See what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Or I will pay you a little bit if you do. I've had that. And I've always said, are you nutty? Are you insane? How could there have been colonists that have done that, that have pushed you? Remember that? I'm trying to remember his name. He was a good guy and he kept pushing an initiative that he was getting a grant, I think from the Department of Education. So all of us have those rules about conflict of interest. And it just seems logical that if you're on a very generous pension and you are subject to military recall, you would not want to be in the private sector doing business with the Pentagon, at least for a while. And I don't know whether it should be five or ten years just so that the people that you used to command had now retired and you, you didn't know the people who were now in charge of acquisitions. But that's something that, when you mentioned it and I have mentioned it and you get a lot of email from military officers who get very angry at them.

Jack Fowler (14:25)

Well, that's part of their long term plan.

Victor Davis Hanson (14:27)

Right?

Jack Fowler (14:28)

I mean, there, there are.

Victor Davis Hanson (14:30)

It's bad on morale. It's really bad on morale in the wing. I don't know if. So getting back to that, I don't know what Pete is going to mention, but he's taking a high risk gamble. I mean, if you look at this executive order on the Department of War, it says it's basically an alternate. They're not going to go spend millions of dollars and change, you know, everything, every stationary, every sign, DOD to do w. But I think they see it as a gradual transitioning and I don't know what the future is. But he's trying to do major shakeups and I think it's a counter revolution. And he's already basically said if you have to do some physical equity or parity with men, if you're women. And I think he's not going to have drag shows or free abortion clinics on bases and he's going to get the military out of the political realm. Yeah, of course, the left says, well, by getting them out of the political realm, since it's been leftist, then you're political because now denying us our drag shows or denying us ads that have women in pregnant flight suits or trans ads, that's political. No, it's just going back to baseline. That's what I think he wants to do.

Jack Fowler (15:54)

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Victor Davis Hanson (17:48)

Well, I mean here these people come to United nations and they vote on resolutions as if. And for half of them, it's the first time they ever vote. When they come back home, they do not vote on anything. They come from autocracies, but they go through this charade that they're a democratic body that represents the majority view of the world and they vote and they promote democracy. Then they have two different leaders in a dispute, war, conflict that was precipitated on October 7th. Take away October 7th. Gaza would be as it is, autonomous. It would be getting water and electricity via the Israelis. There would be 20,000 Gazans working in Israel at three times the wages. But it was an autonomous, more or less calm. And they decided to declare war by a preemptive attack against civilians, which was horrific. Okay. And then Israel retaliated. And then you have each leader, one of them, Mr. Abbas was elected one time. If you want to run in Palestine and say, I want to have a reform party, you'll probably be killed just like you would with Hamas that was elected one time. Then you have Mr. Netanyahu, who has stood for elections countless times. He's an object of derision by the Israeli left, by the media. He's under constant pressure to be more liberal. He had a bipartisan wartime cabinet. So these so called people that vote on resolutions walk out when an autocrat without any legitimacy talks to them. Excuse me, they stay there hinging on every word that a boss says. That's autocrat. Then you have this leader who's Democratic, Mr. Netanyahu, and they walk out. Second thing, over this period, there's a lot of other leaders. There's Mr. Putin and his delegation that have spoken. They've killed over 150,000 Ukrainians in a preemptive war. Did they walk out? No. There's Mr. Chi, he's got a million wagers in a work labor camp. Do they walk out? No. There's Mr. Erdogan that is occupying illegally for a half century, Northern Cyprus. Do they walk out? No. There's the Aberbajani president. Do they walk out? He just ethnically cleansed a quarter million Armenians. So what I'm getting at is we get back to the old story. Why does the world clomb on to this little country of 11 million people that has a heritage that goes back 3,500 years. So is it oil that used to be the reason? Oh, no, it's not about Jews. It's not. It's the. It's a very. Yes, they supply 40% of the world's oil. They don't supply Ours anymore. We don't need it. I mean, California might because it won't pump. It could pump more than most nations, but Mr. Newsom believes it's dirty and toxic. So we import from Saudi Arabia. Import, but we don't need to. And Europe could easily up the production in the North Sea off the coast of United Kingdom, Norway. They've got natural gas all over. Over. They could build nuclear reactors and power their Teslas. They could do a lot of stuff, but I don't think it's oil. So is it terrorism? Partly. They know that if they offend or they say something about Islam or they say something about a leader in the Middle east, then some people might kill them. Cartoonists, Charlie Hebble or whatever. If they insult Judaism or they attack an Israeli, they're not going to be. They're going to be perfectly safe. So they're cowardly as well. And then finally, and most importantly, Ms. Merkel started it. And then Boris Johnson has a lot of responsibility for during the COVID opening the doors. And they've got millions of unassimilated and non integrated populations from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, you name it. And they come with antithetical views to liberal postmodern Europe. And they're violent and they're scared stiff of them. So it's cowardice. All these people are cowards. And all these people on campus, the queers for Palestine, we saw what happened when they got on a boat and wanted to go over in a flotilla. The Islamicists wanted nothing to do with them. Queers for Palestine, Gays for Palestine. Go over to Palestine and start your we are Palestinian gay movement. Don't do it on Columbia's campus. Go over there and just say, you know what, I'm a Palestinian American or I'm a Palestinian who's living in the United States. But I need to go where the action is because the United States is very tolerant of trans and gay people, but my homeland isn't. So I'm going to go over back home and be a Palestinian gay transnationalist and just start a chapter. What would happen if that were to occur? I don't know. I don't know that Ilian Omar or AOC or Jasmine Crockett have ever mentioned that they never talk about Palestinians and gays are trans. They talk about it in other contexts. But so what I'm getting at, this is a protected dei, if you will group. And anytime you have an ideology that says you don't apply a fair standard of criticism to Jasmine Crockett when she spouts off Racism. Or Ilyan Omar when she allegedly married her brother allegedly to have immigration status. Or some of the wild things that AOC says because they are in a DEI category. Or Mr. Carlos Decarlos Brown, the murderer who was out 14 times. Or Teresa Stokes, the unqualified, never passed the bar judge that let him out while she profited from alternative treatments. And all of that stuff has one common denominator. There is a DI idea. And that's why people do not apply the same standards to supporters of the Palestinians than they do the Israelis. Believe me, if Netanyahu said tomorrow I'm declaring martial law and I'm canceling elections and I'm going to be here forever and then send out secret police to beat up people like a boss does, what would happen? You know what I mean? What would happen? So these people are entirely hypocritical. And then just to finish this, Jack. So then we get down to the final reason. Isn't it the reason that people apply an unequal standard to Israel, the reason that they judge them by one set of values and tyrants and terrorists by another. And why the Europeans are so loud to virtue signal their hatred of Israel. And why people walk out at the UN when a dictator speaks, they stay hinged to everything he says it's because Israel is Jews. They're Jews. If they were not Jewish, I don't think that you would get. If they were Icelandic, I don't think they would do that. If they were Chinese, I don't think they'd act that way. If they were Japanese, I don't think they'd act that way. So there you have it, Victor.

Jack Fowler (25:47)

Though it seems there's an interesting editorial in the European Conservative which is a great publication. I encourage people look at it. Why do so many European leaders now seem proud to side with Hamas? Rhetorical question. Are they simply too stupid to know any better? But many of these European leaders are in terrible political positions. Macron, Starmer, their poll numbers are are in the toilet and yet they double down on this. And what gets me is, okay, you're right about maybe we'll be presumptuous here about your typical European and how they care or don't care about Israel. But I have to believe your typical European, your man on the street in France and England are furious about what's happening to their country with the importation of all these, you know, radical Islamist. So the doubling down by these poorly positioned European leaders in favor of these Islamic terrorists is just, I don't know, is it a symptom of the left, they're just going to double down on.

Victor Davis Hanson (26:54)

If I'm Macron, if I'm Macron or Sturmer, right, not Maloney, but Stormer or Macron, I think like this. Let me see now I've got. Oh, I don't know if I'm Sturmer, 8, 10% of population is Islamic. Maybe in the cities it's up to 20 or 30. That's where the action is. If I'm a crone, same, maybe I got 15%. Germany, same thing. So I've got to be careful what I say, but I've got to figure out what the people are. They don't like unassimilated radical Muslims that commit terror. On the other hand, we have a long history of anti Semitism here in Europe and the Jewish population is fleeing and shrinking and they're not as influential as they used to be. So for me, I think that the population of Muslims is growing much faster than A, the population of Jews and B, the people who openly sympathetic to Jews. So what I'm thinking is, yes, everybody is angry at these unassimilated, violent Muslim gangs and their Sharia chauvinism, but they don't like Jews either because we have a nice history of anti Semitism, even among the working classes. So what I can do is we can trash Israel and, and I can appeal to the Muslim people. The only third rail I have is I have to be very careful about the working classes, not on issues of the Middle east, not on Israel, not just on violence by unassimilated gangs and unassimilated illegal aliens. So that's their only worry. But they haven't hit critical mass yet. See, and then the question is, why are they doing this? Jack, when Merkel said we can do this, I think his name was Nether. I forgot his name. All these people who are very well versed in politics can correct me, but there was a English parliamentarian that was part of the Boris Johnson era, and I think he worked with labor, not with the Conservatives. And he said last week that the plan was to bring in people from the Middle east to build the constituency. And it's almost what you saw when it was just disclosed, and I guess we're going to talk about it, that there were about 4 million, 4 million illegal aliens who were let in among the 10 or 12 that were not audited, not screened. They didn't come up for legal hearings. They were simply given Social Security numbers and work permits. And the idea was to fast track those people because if they have a work permit and they have a Social Security number, the next step of voting will be not that hard under early and mail in voting protocols in key states. So what we're really talking about is the left, the international left, or the western left is saying to us, the people I know better than you do what's good for you, lab rat. So I've experimented on you with wind and solar, with high speed rail, with dei, with trans, with open borders. And you don't like it. You don't like it and you don't like me and you don't like what I stand for, you garbage, you deplorable, you chump, you clinger. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to import people here antithetical to a traditional values of your country and they're going to be in service to me because I'm going to grant them them exemptions from the law and entitlement support. So when you say that, the left says great replacement theory, Great replacement theory. You're a racist. You're a racist. And then what the left does, it turns around and writes books with titles, Demography is Destiny, the New Democratic Majority. And they brag about. And so yeah, there you have it. That's what Europe leftists are doing. They're trying to bring in a new cons constituency. Even though, and they think as leftists who are wealthy, that their particular neighborhood, their particular title, their particular education will shield them from the fallout from their advocacies, it'll fall out on the poor person who speaks with a cockney accent in Britain, you know, something like that, it's going to explode. It really is. I hope it doesn't, but I. It's not a sustainable situation. And when you have people here in the United States that a. And I'm speaking as somebody who just went to an emergency room in an underserved community and I went to other facilities in an upserved community and it was still the same. You can't see specialists, you can't get scans, and you have trouble with insurance or Medicare plus Medicare Advantage. And then that system gives 4 million people Social Security and access thereby to probably Medicare, disability and everything. It's not going to work. You're going to have a rebellion. Yeah, and that's, that's coming.

Jack Fowler (32:35)

Yeah, no, it's, it's your, your, your September appointment is canceled. We can reschedule you for February. And this is, I can tell you.

Victor Davis Hanson (32:42)

Medicare in America, I can tell you I won't Mention anything? I've been told no, we can't prescribe something over the phone for pneumonia, but you've got to go to your local er. Good luck. I won't go on what happened there. Yes, you need a very critical scan and you need a referral, but two weeks later. It wasn't marked urgent or something, but we can get you in in a month. A month? Or another specialist. You can see this specialist in two months. Or your GP says your annual physical has been delayed for eight weeks. Or your cardiologist called me the other day. I'm not going to mention any names. Your upcoming appointment has to be postponed. I said for another week. No, no, no. For two months. So that's Everybody that's listening to it has had that happen. Part of it's Obamacare, part of it is bringing in 55 million people who were not born in the United States and do not have adequate health care. I was at another lab yesterday for this endless process and three people came in. None of them spoke word. I won't tell you your nationality of English. All three of them were morbidly obese. I was talking to them and trying to help them how to register in this kind of laboratory where there's no human in it. You just go in there and talk to a screen, punch buttons. They had no idea how to do it. They needed health care. They look very ill. But I had an appointment. I came to 30 minutes early and they just walked in. So obviously they weren't going to let me in 30 minutes early because I had an appointment. So the system is breaking, the health care system is breaking, the legal system is breaking. If you're Gavin Newsom and you issue driver's license to people who don't speak English. And we had another accident here in this area in the San Joaquin Valley by another immigrant who was at fault and put. I think he put a girl into a little girl into a coma from culpable driving. So the whole system is under the traffic system, the immigration system, the medical system, the education system. It's all under stress. And anybody who criticizes it says, well, you're just an old guy who remembers what it was like in the 50s and 60s when white people were there. And now you're angry. No, I'm not. I think the system worked better. But if the system worked perfectly and so called white people, which I don't really feel I'm chauvinistic about at all, were 10% of the population, I would be happy. It's not a race thing to me, it's just I want the system to work. And when you let in so many different people or you tell people here that you have different standards because of historical victimization, oppression, you name it, then the whole complexity starts to and we saw that, as I said earlier, with the Palestine fire, it was a DEI catastrophe.

Jack Fowler (36:11)

Well, Victor, speaking of catastrophes, the FBI we're going to get your take on some reports that have come out about FBI's role on January 6th. And then also our favorite, one of our favorite people, James Comey, has been indicted. And we'll get your take on that all when we come back from these important messages.

Victor Davis Hanson (36:37)

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Jack Fowler (38:12)

We're back with the Victor Davis Hansen show recording on Sunday, September 28th. And this episode is up on Tuesday, September 30th. Let's start with Comey, I guess. Victor, former FBI head, has been indicted in his response to the indictment. Look, reading here from a Daily Mail article. My family and I have known for years that there are costs to standing up to Donald Trump, but we couldn't imagine ourselves living any other way. We will not live on our knees. And you shouldn't either. In addition to this, Victor, I've seen many reports about what it was like to have worked in the FBI under James Comey and his, well, Donald Trump a narcissist, and he may well be, but I have a feeling James Comey is in competition with him for that. But anyway, your thoughts.

Victor Davis Hanson (39:03)

Our friend Andy McCarthy, whom we both knew and worked with and like, is very skeptical of the indictment. However, it's very specific. So it either happened or it didn't happen. So it boils down to, did James Comey communicate, speak, issue a directive, talk to James Baker, chief legal counsel, the FBI, who rotated into a 7 million dollar gig for the old Twitter? Or to Mr. Rebecci, another FBI grandee, or to Andrew McKay, who has lied four times to a federal investigator so should have no credibility except James Comey on 245 occasions said he couldn't remember to a House oversight community. So you've got this weird situation on this indictment where the federal attorney will call these people in and say, you in the past have said you were innocent of leaking because you were told or you got the message from, or you inferred that James Comey said it was okay to leak and you stand by that testimony. And they will say yes, or they'll be subject to perjury, probably because they probably said these things to the prior special counsel or to the Inspector general. And then it'll be their word against James Comey. And, and if a jury believes that two or three of their subordinates have a preponderance of truth versus James Comey, and I don't know what's admissible in a federal courthouse, but if I was the prosecuting attorney, the first question I'd ask is, Mr. Comey, when you were testifying to the House Oversight Committee, did you, on 245 occasions said you couldn't remember on elements that were crucial to your investigation? You didn't say you couldn't speak about it all the time. You said you couldn't remember. So I think he's in trouble, I really do, because I think they're going, and if he's guilty of that count, then he's guilty of the second one. Obstructing. It's irony there because of course that's what they charged Michael Flynn with, that he gave an incorrect statement to Peter Strzok when he interviewed him and said that he had not communicated with the Russians. It's not a. The other thing is, Jack is. It's not just a legal question, it's a moral, ethical question. So everybody should remember what the Trump administration, and if that's the people, because Trump is tweeting about it or Pam Bondi is not doing, they're not trying to bring him in and say that he should be convicted of perjury because he pled amnesia 240 times under oath. They're not bringing him in because he had Andrew McCabe called up General Flynn and say, hey, hey, General, we're going to come over and talk to you. That's no big thing. You don't need a lawyer. And then they ambushed him and they asked him questions and they turned around, charged him with perjury. And then James Comey in front of an audience said, hey, you know, it was kind of funny. This administration doesn't know what they're doing. So we just kind of said, we're going to go in and interview Flynn. And they should have said if they were smart. No, you're not. He is a designated national security advisor of the United States and we have legal counsel. But they didn't know what they were doing. So we just went in and got the statement and he was laughing about it. They're not talking about that. They are not talking about Mr. Comey talking with the President, United States and telling him, you are not the subject of an FBI investigation. When he was, that was clear, he was then walking out and memorializing that on an FBI device, making a memo and putting it in his safe, not fighting it with the FBI as he should, violating FBI protocols, then whipping out that memo and calling up his buddy at Columbia, a professor, and say, leak this to the New York Times. And then having the entire media, left wing nexus between Washington and New York say, well, it wasn't classified. It was confidential but not classified. But he leaked. So when they get him on the stand, they're going to say to Mr. Comey, so you claim you didn't authorize McCabe or Rebecca or Baker to leak because you are against leaks. Yes. But you, you just admitted that you leaked yourself. You leaked a conversation with the President. Yes, I did. That's going to be very damning. They're not also. So they're not doing them. They're not investigating about Flynn. They're not investigating about. They're not investigating him of walking down the beach. And now, you know, Jack, I was walking on the beach and I saw these weird seashells. 86, 47. Now, I don't know what they mean, but I think the world would like to know about it. So I put them on social media and I had a little tab. Look what I found on the beach. Kind of a neat little. And it was basically, get rid of Trump, if you're euphemistic, the old bar thing, he's 86. But maybe the next generation has redefined 86. And to kill him. I don't know. But nobody's going after Comey for that. Nobody's going after Comey for admitting later that he knew that the Steele dossier was bogus, even though he was a confidential informant that Comey hired. And then he used that material to get a writ against Carter Page after he left, of course, Kevin Kleinsmith, under McCabe forged that. But later Comey said, would you. They asked him, would you use that dossier as evidence for the judge to grant you surveillance? No, I probably wouldn't. Oh, you probably wouldn't. James Comey, meaning now you know that it's bogus. And so then he. So I could go on, but he's the Anthony Fauci of the FBI. There's one other thing that's very important, and then I'll shut up, and that's this. Everybody's criticizing Kash Patel because he was. I don't know what he prematurely said. They got the killer of Charlie Kirk for a day anyway. We've had four FBI directors over a quarter century. All four of them, you can make the argument, have lied to Congress. Now, Robert Mueller came in, former FBI director, and he said under oath, when asked directly, would you explain the Fusion GPS role in the dossier? And the dossier, I don't know. I don't know. We don't know anything about that. So he wants us to believe that the two catalysts that prompted his own appointment. Remember what James Comey said? I wanted him, my friend. He said the word my friend. I wanted him to be special counsel. So I leaked this about Donald Trump so he would be special counsel. And of course he was very involved with gps. That is Comey. So Robert Mueller knew everything about GPS and the Steele dossier. That's what he was. It came up every day in his investigation. And he lied and said he didn't know. Now, maybe he had cognitive problems, because if he did, I apologize to him because he looks like he does now. And he did look confused during the test. His next Successor, James cone, me, I've mentioned 245 times he's now under indictment for lying. The third, Andrew McCabe, I don't know why Bill Barr decided that he couldn't convince a. What would it be, a Washington jury that the interim director of the FBI on four occasions swore to federal investigators, I think three of them were under oath, where he said, I don't leak, I did not authorize it. And then later he got panicky. He called him up, you know, I kind of think I lied to you. And then the inspector general Went through there four times. I think Bill Barr thought, well, I'll never convict an FBI director in Washington. And he's left wing and I don't know, his wife is running for a liberal office in Virginia. Da da da, da da. And then we get the fourth one that nobody talks about, Christopher Wray. Christopher Wray was asked directly on numerous occasions did you or did you not authorize FBI informants to be there in if so how many and did you order FBI agents to be there on January 6th and if so, how many? He was asked that question in a variety. You know what he said? Not to my knowledge. I don't have any information. But we can check. Now we know there was 26 FBI informants that were mingling salted in the crowd. We know that from the files that have been leaked during his realm. But Kash Patel is finding all these secret room droves and bags of stuff they tried to hide away. But Michael Rosenberg, is it Bloom? He was the. Correct me if I'm wrong, doing this by memory. He was the Pulitzer Prize New York Times left wing and he got ambushed by Project Veritas. And he said to them January 6th was no big deal. I looked around, I saw all the familiar FBI informants I knew. And now the latest bombshell is cash is released that the Ray FBI ordered 275 agents to go help enhance without and this is controversial, some of them without body protections, identifications. So that some of them were just put out there in civilian clothes or plain clothes and they were supposed to. How can you do that and bulk up? They would look like just a civilian vigilantes and then there's a whole trove of them. I read it very carefully, Jack. They're all complaints. They wrote complaints. This was crazy. This was weaponized. This was political. What were we supposed to do?

Jack Fowler (50:02)

Crowd control. That was what some of the.

Victor Davis Hanson (50:04)

Yeah. So why didn't Ray just say we sent out 275? Because he thought, he thought no one could prove that he had done that because the memo or the order was somehow disappeared, to use a left wing word. And more importantly, he was convinced that Donald Trump was kaput and the next president United States would either be Joe Biden or Kamala Harris and there would be no oversight. So there you have it. So what's the FBI? It's got a quarter century of people who felt that they with impunity could mislead or lie to Congress. Art of the federal investigating. Federal official. Official investigating them. Yeah.

Jack Fowler (50:51)

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Victor Davis Hanson (52:47)

Yeah, they they set the precedent, didn't they? They broke the law. They expanded the parameters of the possible. So Eric Holder, under the Obama administration was subpoenaed by Congress and they said, the Fast and Furious thing is fishy and we want you to come. And he said, I'm not coming. And they said, well, we're going to subpoena you and we're going to refer you criminal. And nothing happened. They asked Merrick Garland, they said, you're coming to Congress. He said no. So basically the left said, we're going to go after Bannon and make him embarrassed and we're going to put leg irons on Navarro. We're going to do it in a performance art arrest in the street. We'll put them in, but we're never going to do it to us. No, no, no, no, no, no. Well, so then the Trump administration says, you know what? We're going to subpoena these people, and when they do not show up, we're going to apply the Biden rule or the Obama rule. That means if you work for me, you might not have to go to jail if they summon you, but if they win the Congress, but if you don't work for me, they will. And then they did the performance art raid on Roger Stone. They did it on Mar Lago, and now we went to John Bolton's. They had a performance art raid. Supposedly, allegedly, purportedly, he transmitted classified documents on an email to either friends or family, and that ended up in a foreign intelligence stream. And he's facing possible indictment, although he hasn't left. I don't know if that's accurate or not. I do know that when Donald Trump was running for re election in 2020, he used very sensitive material for his book to be timed for its greatest sales and profit right during the election. And the Trump DOJ sued him, and a federal judge said, it's too late, the book is out. However, I want to tell you, Mr. Bolton, you have done a great disservice to your country by discovering, disclosing sensitive information, and you have put yourself in future criminal or civil liability. And what I'm getting at is almost everything that they say is weaponized has two themes to it. There is a precedent that the prior administration destroyed. They destroyed norms and they thought they were going to be. And now this administration has a lot of leeway because of that. And then we get into an existential question of morality, which I'll defer to you, given your Catholic ethicist background.

Jack Fowler (55:41)

I am not an ethicist. Go ahead.

Victor Davis Hanson (55:45)

Well, is it proper to force the letter of the law when you see wrong breaking against people who have destroyed the law in the past to restore deterrence? In other words, if you don't bring these people to justice who have destroyed the system, then they will do it again versus no, no, Victor, here's the rule. If you just look at what these people done, and a prosecutor said, well, they were probably culpable, but given the great extent of crime in this country, if there wasn't a political angle to it, we probably wouldn't even indict them. Yes, John Bolton. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we wouldn't go after him. And, oh, yeah, you know, Comey's a loudmouth and a blowhard, but, you know, he, he said, McCabe said it's almost out, we'll just let him slide. Kind of the billboard attitude. So the point I'm making is would these people be indicted if they had not been so prominently going after Trump in an illegal or amoral fashion and to make them atone legally or in the public square, will that restore deterrence so you don't do it again or you just forget it because you say I play by the Marcus Queensberry rules. My heroes are John McCain, the late John McCain, Mitt Romney and George H.W. bush. And I don't go down to their level with tit for tat.

Jack Fowler (57:31)

Well, not being the ethicist, we're not. No one's being charged for contrived crimes, charged for plausible, plausible charges. But you look at, I mean, what's a great statement on that, Victor? Look at communism and in Europe, did these guys ever pay a price for it? No. Have they helped f up, excuse my French there, screw up Europe afterwards because they, they were allowed to walk free and continue on? Yeah, I, I, I, punishment is deserved on large scale and punishments deserved here.

Victor Davis Hanson (58:08)

I think the next step is, I think you're right. I think the next step is all those people that the auto pin, I don't think it was the auto pin with the Biden family, say all the Biden family people and Millie and all the rest of them fauci, they bring them all in and they can't prosecute them for past things, but they just ask them questions. Jim Biden, dear Jim Biden right now, here and now, do you have any money in your bank account that came from a foreign source and he either says yes or no that's not covered by a pardon that's here and now and see what he says. And then if he lies, you can bring in evidence, I think from the past, but we'll defer to legal authorities on that. And then I think the next thing they're going to do is they're going to go in and they're going to look at that auto pin and some of the people they pardoned or convicted murderers, they're horrible people. And they're out. And I think they're going to go in and they're going to interview us and they're going to say how many people did you recommend and why and did you get the expressed consent of the president, United States and that, you know, they talk about a coup and all that. That was a coup. If they didn't, if they just said, hey, everybody's got a bunch of left wing friends and heroes and maybe You've got guys that will do quid pro quo for it. Give me some names and let's just get them through and flood the system and then the Biden pardon families won't look that stark and they should go after that too.

Jack Fowler (59:44)

I, well, wasn't the rule of law broken by these actions? Just not too far from me. Bridgeport, Connecticut, a mother and a child murdered by a drug dealer because they were going to be witnesses at a trial. I forget the dirtbag's name. He was part of the, the Biden auto pen. Why? What about the justice that was, that was enacted when he was charged and convicted? How come that justice gets to be broken? So I agree, Victor. You know the rule of law, we're already seeing it hanging in the balance by the actual characteristics.

Victor Davis Hanson (60:22)

And you can really see it too. I'll give you example. What I mean. Right after Mark Milley went out, he was subject to Article 88 as a retired four star general. He started giving interviews. Remember when he kept saying that Donald Trump was a fascist? And then John Kelly, after he retired, said that he was the worst fascist or something. He'd met Trump. I have a lot of empathy for John Kelly. He served his country very nobly. He lost his son, I think, in Iraq. I have no animus toward Mark Milley. But my point is they're out in the public square and I haven't heard a word from them right now, not one word. And I really do believe, Jack, that these retired generals do know that if they give their signature interviews with the Atlantic or they go in NPR or they go to the Council in Foreign Relations and they're asked, don't you think Donald Trump is a fascist? They will say, I don't comment on that. And the only reason they'll do that in opposition to their past behavior is because they feel the law now is the law. And they will be prosecuted and court martialed and they will lose, they will lose their pensions. And so, and so now we have a calm. We're retired. And this is very important because when Joe Biden was president, I did not hear retired conservative generals say that he is a socialist, he's horrible. And maybe it was because they thought that Lori Austin would prosecute them or refer them, I don't know. But it didn't happen because there was a deterrent there. Or maybe they were so sick of what they saw during the first Trump, they didn't want to be in that league with those people. But the point I'm making is the law. When you reinforce it, it deters people. And when you don't, it doesn't. And all you have to do is bring one of these people in and you know what, who's not being investigated. So we're not investigating James Clapper and John Brennan. We do know that at an August 2016 meeting, I think another one in November, or maybe it was even in January, two meetings, one at the winding down of the Hillary Trump campaign, the other after Trump had already won and it was a matter of the transition. They met with Obama. Obama said, we need to really pursue the Russian collusion. They basically had intelligence from subordinates that said there's no actionable, there's nothing there. And he said, go back and find something, meaning, you know, fabricate it. So are they going to be brought up legally for that? I don't know. But they're very lucky they're not being brought up for a whole array of sins. So my point is this. All of these people that are being brought up on these technical questions which might be actionable and indictable and convictable and punished, they have so much more ethical and legal exposure. If you're John Brennan, he just flat out went to Congress and said, I can't even imagine you'd say that, that we would ever spy on Senate staff or computer. I can't imagine you'd say that the Obama predator camp pain kills collateral innocent civilians on the Pakistani border. Oh, I was mistaken. Yes. That he lied. James Clapper, I can't believe you think the National Security Agency, under my sort of direction, would ever spy on America. Evidence lying. I gave the least untruthful answer I could. So both of those people perjured themselves. Are they going to come up for it? I don't know. But what I'm getting at, all of these people have done so many egregious things and got away with it that you would. For what they're going to be charged with, if they are charged. There was a whole bunch of exposure there. What they did to the country, whether it's Fauci trying to claim that he never gave money substitute money for the enhancement of viruses in Wuhan, except they've got a lot of exposure. Yeah.

Jack Fowler (64:54)

Well, they're allowed to lie. So they think, well, Victor, we're going to come back from these important messages and get your take on one final topic, Portland and Donald Trump's actions there. We'll do that in a minute.

Victor Davis Hanson (65:14)

Foreign.

Jack Fowler (65:19)

We are back with the Victor Davis Hansen show. I have a note or two to read. Yeah. About me, Jack Fowler. I write Civil Thoughts, the free weekly email newsletter for the center for Civil Society. Please subscribe, go to civilthoughts.com comes out every Friday, 14 recommended readings. You're going to love it. It's free. We don't sell your name. And I mentioned the center for Civil Society and if you go to that website, centerforcivilsociety.org, you're going to see something about America 250. We're having a terrific conference in Philadelphia November 5th and 6th. I wish you check it out. Yuval Levin is speaking. Kevin Roberts, the great head of the Heritage foundation has given the kickoff. Lots of terrific speakers. Matt Spalding, who Victor knows Hillsdale's program.

Victor Davis Hanson (66:08)

He's in Corcoran, California. Matt's from Corcoran, California.

Jack Fowler (66:11)

Oh, is he?

Victor Davis Hanson (66:12)

30 miles from where I live. Hi. Okay. Didn't know that.

Jack Fowler (66:15)

He's. He is, is just a terrific guy. His wife Elizabeth runs Victims of Communism museum. She was Lee Edwards daughter. Just terrific soul. So anyway, centerfor civilsociety.org check it out. Our America 250 conference. Victor. Yeah, the last item here is about Portland and here's the headline from the Daily Mail. Trump orders troops to take over war ravaged Democrat led city to handle domestic terrorists. He made the announcement Saturday on his Truth Social account and said the move was necessary to protect ICE facilities supposedly under attack by antifa. A loosely.

Victor Davis Hanson (66:55)

I hate this.

Jack Fowler (66:56)

A loosely organized far left movement that is against fascism. Who the hell wrote this story? Daily Mail. I am directing Secretary of War Pete Hegseth to provide all necessary troops to protect war ravaged Portland and any of our ICE facilities under siege from attack by antifa and other domestic terrorists.

Victor Davis Hanson (67:18)

Trump wrote.

Jack Fowler (67:18)

Victor, I've never been to Portland and frankly, I've never been to Portland.

Victor Davis Hanson (67:22)

I've been to the.

Jack Fowler (67:23)

Yeah, I've been to the Bronx.

Victor Davis Hanson (67:24)

I have. My first cousin lives there there. I've been there a lot. There's a bookstore, I think I've spoken there before.

Jack Fowler (67:31)

Oh, it's supposedly the world's largest, America's biggest bookstore.

Victor Davis Hanson (67:35)

Yeah. You know, when I was, when I was writing a lot about farming and classics, I would go on, I would go to Portland. Yeah. And I rent a car and I drove to Willamette College, I think and I went to Oregon State. I think I went. I had a really bad experience there with a bunch of people tried to disrupt it. I think it was Oregon State. Maybe it was the University of Oregon. I mean they reserved. Is that. Yeah, they reserved the first 50 seats and they said reserved on them. And then when I got up to the podium, they flipped over the paper that said reserve and it was a Mexico 40th title and it had kind of a bullseye on it. And then they waved them like I was shooting free throws the whole time so I couldn't see anybody. And the weird thing was that the vice provost, who I just had dinner with, sat and watched it all and didn't stop. And they yell. And I just kept saying, finally, the only reason I made him stop, I said, I don't think you guys were really, you really did this on your own. I think your professor, who just wrote a book about open borders lavazza studies, put you up to this because he had called me and wanted me to debate him. And I didn't want to debate him because I was on a book tour. And anyway, to make a long story short, I said, most of you look like you're very well dressed. You're upper middle class students. You're not la raza. You don't believe in the race. You're just American kids. You came here, they put you up to this, and now you're destroying my right to speech. But you know what? The administrators at the back of the room, I think he's going to pay me. So whether I say anything or not, I'm going to get paid and leave. So I'll be gone. Then they sat down. Half my speech was ruined. I walked on out. The person came up to me, said, I'm very sorry. I said, you watched the whole thing and did nothing. And you, you probably knew it was going to happen because why would you have reserved seats there? Anybody have to turn them over? They could see the other side of the papers. So I'm just leaving. But I need to be paid. I want you to give your word you're going to pay me, even though I only gave about a third of my speech. So stuff like that happened a lot. But that's when I really lost all confidence in the integrity of most college administration administrators because it happened so many times. I went to the University of Tennessee, people disrupted it. I went to the University of Southern Alabama, people disrupted it. The speech. I went to Washington, Lee, and people disrupted it. I don't mean, you know, charged you. There's people asked questions when they shouldn't or booed you or when the question and answers came, everyone was harangue, not a question. I went to University of Texas. The same thing happened. So I, I'm so happy that I quit speaking at college campuses. I'll never speak at a college campus again except, you know, Hillsdale, but that's about it.

Jack Fowler (70:45)

Well, let me, let me just close it out. Victor with a quick question from you. Did you see these polls? If I could only find my damn notes here. Excuse me, Dar note. Somebody gave me grief for saying damn. I apologize. I said a couple of weeks ago, I guess the New Jersey governors race is neck and neck now. Jack Citarelli, the, the Republican candidate is the latest polls tied at 43. The New York Post has just come out with an endorsement. This is one of these indicators of where the country may be going the following year. And the Virginia rates were governor's race. Abigail Spanberger, the former congresswoman, the Democrat is up by six over winsome Earl Sears, Lieutenant governor, although I think those numbers are closer than they had been. Any thoughts as we close out the show on these?

Victor Davis Hanson (71:39)

Well, there's two things that will happen in these governor races and the midterms. There's the individual race and the New Jersey race. As I recall, the Democratic candidate, it surfaced that she was aware of a massive cheating scandal at West Point. Right at West Point. And under the honor code, she was supposed to report that knowledge and she chose not to. And therefore she was graduated, but she was not allowed to participate in the graduate ceremonies. And then she's trying to wink and nod saying, well, I didn't rat any anybody out, basically. So. But there's two things. Each of these, all of these races that we're going to see have an individual element. There's going to be a candidate who can't speak versus a candidate that can. There's going to be a candidate that's got skeletons in the closet and they're going to be both. You don't know which one. So a lot of the race will depend on the better candidate. The more photogenic, the more charismatic, the more glib. But there is a subtext, a floor underneath that. And that is the MAGA agenda as it pertains to crime, but especially the economy and the border and foreign policy. And that has a wild card, Donald Trump. So there are people. Half the country doesn't like Donald Trump. Half the country does. But. But 60% favor the end of illegal immigration, crackdown on crime, deterrent, foreign policy and this quarter's GDP. Did you see it? That was been readjusted to 3.6. The Fed, I think on the congressional budget, I think they said it was going to be 3% or 2.8. It's 3.6. Inflation is 2, 0.2.5 or 6. So the economy is still doing good. The record stock market. So I think if the Republicans are smart, what they will do on all of these races, they won't. They'll have, you know, if the candidate is weak on the dim side, they'll go. But they're going to ask them, if you vote for this person, then they should just show Majorcas and Kareem Jean Paris saying the. And Jen Saki, the border is closed. The borders closed. The borders closed. The borders closed. You're voting for 10,000 people coming in a day. You want that? If you vote for this and they should just show you all of the illegal alien murders we've had. If you vote for this and then show the attacks on ice and all what. And then show your few vote for this. This is what people say, say about a young man who was murdered and just show some of the reactions. And then if you vote for this, show more of the Afghan pullout and that's what you're voting for. And if you make the, if you make that election in the midterms on what happened under the 34% popular Joe Biden, they'll win, but they were will try to just say Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. And I'm not sure that'll even work. But if the Republicans just say this is what they did and do you want to go back to it? 9.1 inflation from 2021-22 and the prices never just, just do that, they will win. And all of that's why that race is close.

Jack Fowler (75:18)

I wouldn't, I don't want to imply that Charlie Kirk's death has. Should have political ramifications, but it will. It might.

Victor Davis Hanson (75:27)

I think a lot of people, the problem is that every time they call him a racist or everything within a nanosecond, somebody shows you the actual tape. And he's usually in an argument with a white guy who says that race matters and he says it doesn't. Or when he's talking about black women, he's talking about Kanji Brown who he thinks was not qualified. Given that, I think there was DEI criteria used. And the same thing with the vice presidential point. That was his point. So they haven't made that argument and they look ghoulish trying to make it. So just keep to the issues, the economy, crime, the border, foreign policy, some cultural issues like trans and stuff, and show tapes of what they did and what they will do and you win. You win the midterms. Against all historical odds but they've got to do that. I don't know what they're going to run on. I guess they're going to say that Donald Trump is unfairly deporting people and they think the Hispanic vote is going to flip back to them. But.

Jack Fowler (76:38)

Well, they are still 30 on the 70, 30 issues. So.

Victor Davis Hanson (76:43)

Yeah, well, I can tell you that I get to. I went to a supermarket again two days ago and a guy came up to me who was Mexican American, and he was raving and yelling about how great Trump was on the border. And I said, well, I watch TV and there's all these people who are Mexican Americans that are attacking ice. He got really angry. They're not Mexican American. They're Mexicans. They're foreign. Or their kids. Their kids have been brainwashed in college. Everybody's sick of this. Everybody's sick of this. You can't get a, you know, part of the reason I said about the doctor, you can't, because you can't go.

Jack Fowler (77:24)

To the doctor either, right?

Victor Davis Hanson (77:26)

Cannot go to the doctor because, you know, you can't go to the emergency, emergency room. I can testify that because, I mean, the people there are very good. I really think they're heroic. They go there every day and they see things they've never seen before. And they try to treat people in a humane way, but there's just not enough of them. And there's too many of the people who came in under Joe Biden. The only way it would have stopped if Joe Biden said this, I am going to let in 12 million, 10 to 12 million illegal aliens. I'm not going to audit them. I'm not going to ask them to get a Covid. I don't give them a TB test, none of that. I'm not going to have a criminal background. They're going to flood a lot of areas. But for me to be consistent, I think to give these people a chance at the American dream, even though they're illegal, I'm going to have to have a personal stake in it. So I promise that Jill and me and Hunter will use the ER for our health care. And we'll do it in Tucson and we'll do it in Dallas, and we'll do it all along the border. Fresno, Bakersfield. That's what we're going to do, because we want to see the people we let in and feel solidarity with them and have to go. And that's what we're going to do. And for a week or two, I'm going to move into a hotel in Manhattan where we're housing people who are here illegally and just see how it is. Talk to people. Had he done that, I think he might have had some credibility. But otherwise you've got the Martha Vineyards. Hey, I have an extra old puff coat. I put it in a cardboard box. I dropped it off at the Humanitarian Illegal Alien Contemporary Center. You got your puff coat for me? That cost $400 when they first came out 10 years ago. Will you put it on because it's cold in Manhattan and IAC wouldn't want to be get out of here in 20 minutes. That's their attitude.

Jack Fowler (79:35)

Yeah, don't let the ferry hit you on the way out. Well Victor, we are going to end the show today with two comments from listeners viewers. One is commenting on recent from a recent podcast that you did with the great Sammy Wink. This is Karen K I R N 12121 writes Victor, I saw those hot houses in Gaza when I visited gush Katif in 2003. They were amazing. Produced beautiful fruit and vegetables. Next to the expulsion of the Jewish communities there, I found the destruction of those greenhouses crushing. What leadership would destroy food production? Thank you for that Karen 12121 and then from Cynthia Veracimo 457 she writes hi Victor and Jack, former SoCal native here and have listened to your wise words since Rush shared you with us. I too walk in the early a.m. late p.m. and if I saw you in my neighborhood I'd shake your hand and thank you for your service to our nation. So not everyone has that view with you Victor. Anyway, that was very kind of you and thanks to everyone who does write comments on YouTube, Rumble, Apple, etc we greatly appreciate it. Try to get through them. So Vic, you've been terrific today. I want to ask people to say a prayer. You know, since I'm now a Catholic ethicist, I may be a crypto deacon. Say a prayer for have our friend Victor.

Victor Davis Hanson (81:03)

Oh I'm going to be fine. I just had this seven month sinus lung problem.

Jack Fowler (81:08)

No we will expedite your your cure.

Victor Davis Hanson (81:13)

Okay everybody, thank you very much for watching and watching. Watching watching and listening and listening.

Jack Fowler (81:20)

We'll be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

Victor Davis Hanson (81:24)

Bye bye.