Amazon (AWS) Broke The Internet - WAN Show October 24, 2025

Summary

The WAN Show: Amazon (AWS) Broke The Internet – October 24, 2025

Hosts: Linus Sebastian & Luke Lafreniere
Producer/Contributor: Dan
Date: October 25, 2025

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Overview

This high-energy episode of The WAN Show zeroes in on the massive AWS outage that crippled a third of the internet, exploring its vast implications on everyday tech, business resilience, and our dependency on cloud giants. The episode also takes detours into the $2B Counter-Strike skins market crash, jet engines powering AI datacenters, YouTube’s new tools for managing AI likeness, and the ethical frontiers of AI-generated content—with WAN’s signature blend of tech insight, banter, and memorable stories.

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Table of Contents

• Opening & Main Topics
• Inside the Amazon AWS Outage
  • Scope and Services Impacted (04:50)
  • Why Is the Internet So Dependent on AWS? (06:00)
  • Cultural/Business Impact—Relying on Your Competition (10:55)
  • Technical Details—It's Always DNS (15:58)
  • Outage Fallout and Absurdities (30:34)
• Counter-Strike 2 Skins Market Crash (33:39)
• Jet Engines for AI Data Centers (45:01)
• Generative AI & Likeness Moderation (191:19, 192:34)
• Other Notable Tech Stories
• Ethics, Platforms, and Agencies (200:20)
• Funny and Memorable Moments
• Selected Quotes
• Timestamps for Key Segments

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Opening & Main Topics

• [00:37] Luke introduces the week’s big tech disruptions:
  • “An Amazon snafu broke the flipping Internet... major services, banks, heated beds...”
• [01:39] Linus tees up jet engines for AI datacenters, YouTube’s AI likeness tech, and the Valve/CS2 skins crash, with his usual mix of dramatic and comic setups.

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Inside the Amazon AWS Outage

Scope and Services Impacted ([04:50])

Luke lays out just how broad the outage was:

“A major out[age] of Amazon Web Services rendered large parts of the Internet unusable nearly this week... here is a non-comprehensive list ... Alexa, Ring, Reddit, Snapchat, Wordle, Roblox, … Many major banks, Ring, Robin Hood, HBO Max, Venmo, Epic Games, McDonalds, Fortnite, Lyft, Hulu, Disney Plus, Roku, Signal Stream, Reddit, Zoom, Pokemon Go, PlayStation Network ... As much as a third of Internet sites and services rely in some way on Amazon Web Services.” ([04:50])

Hits didn’t stop at entertainment: “Owners of heated beds were not operating correctly.” ([02:00])

Why Is the Internet So Dependent on AWS? ([06:00])

• Linus and Luke discuss the trade-offs: AWS is expensive, but “nobody got fired for using AWS. ...it’s so expensive, but if you're just an engineer trying to keep your job, why not?” ([04:34])
• "Amazon is the new IBM... a lot of places just do that by default.”
• “It was so much easier to get [AWS certification] than many other things. But there’s a big gap between someone who can build things in AWS and someone who can do it efficiently.” ([06:40])

On-premise vs. Cloud Discussion ([08:40])

• Linus: On-prem was shunned, “Are you a caveman?”
• They note a partial swing back to on-premise due to “money... control... privacy, stuff like that. But it’s interesting this outage was crazy.” ([09:28])

Cultural/Business Impact—Relying on Your Competition ([10:55])

Luke shares how, as a retailer, he watched his company go from competing with Amazon to depending on AWS for survival:

“We are literally ... paying large amounts of money ... our infrastructure ... is so bad, so outdated, so broken that we're literally hiring the competitor that is going to move in and eat our lunch to desperately keep our website alive ... It was such a moment for me.” ([10:55])

Technical Details—It's Always DNS ([15:58])

• Outage tracked to AWS DynamoDB with a “latent defect in the service's automatic DNS management. It's always DNS.”
• Linus: "I can practically picture Seinfeld being like, Newman. DNS! My arch rival." ([15:58])

Luke’s “Cool Story, Bro” on DNS Absurdities ([20:18])

Wild tangent: Luke describes gaming the Wi-Fi hotspot system on planes, running into DNS trickery that blocks the OS from seeing an internet connection, and registry tweaks to force Windows into “passive mode.”

“If Microsoft NCSI went down, and everyone's computers were connected but didn't ‘know’ it, that would be wild.” ([24:18])

Outage Fallout and Absurdities ([30:34])

• “Owners of 8 Sleep Smart beds were unable to change position or temperature ... There is no reason ... that two devices on the same Wi-Fi should have to relay through a cloud server ... The only possible reason is excess of control or data collection.”
• Outage impacts:
  • Premier League had to confirm offside calls manually.
  • Starbucks forced users to “talk to a human to order.”
  • “Wordle and Duolingo lost their minds about broken streaks ... looks like the streaks were maintained.”
• Dan: “Does Slack give you that Forever Alone message?” Linus: “But it plays... lobby music and it’s actually pretty great lobby music.” ([32:06])

Reflections on Tech Infrastructure

• Linus: “It is interesting how fragile this thing that ... an enormous percentage of people’s lives relies on ... it’s pretty wild.” ([25:49])
• Luke: “Yes, we are dependent on a small handful of services and yes, it’s a terrible, terrible, terrible thing.” ([32:56])

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Counter-Strike 2 Skins Market Crash ([33:39])

• Market value plunged $2B due to a change in trade-up mechanics; huge ripple in “gray-market” trading.
• Linus theorizes Valve will make more money: “More lower value items ... higher chance people will trade through the Valve marketplace ... this is Valve just being like we’re going to change the playing field and make a lot more money.” ([35:17])
• “One knife was sold for $14,000 just before the update and is now worth half. ... The person who sold that is stoked.”
• Luke: “It’s not market manipulation if it’s not a market. ... That’s why financial markets are regulated.” ([38:03])
• Linus: “Anytime it’s tangential stuff like this ... it is gambling.”
• Luke: “It do be gambling.” ([44:48])

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Jet Engines for AI Data Centers ([45:01])

• Linus: “They're literally using retired commercial aircraft engines bolted into trailers for supplemental power ... What timeline are we on? ... These are jet engines from actual jets!” ([45:37])
• Luke: “It might mean that, when people ask ChatGPT if there is a seahorse emoji, the server is powered by an actual jet engine... it literally went brrr.” ([46:51])
• Linus: “At a certain point you just have to laugh. ... Those slop scrolling apps ... are powered by jet engines.” ([46:53])
• Technical note: “Those turbine cores ... deliver up to 48 megawatts of power a piece.” ([47:53])

Memorable Moment—The “Ability Toucan” Bit ([47:53–50:53])

• Luke loses his ability to “can” (handle tech absurdity), inventing a bird mascot: “When something too ridiculous happens, our bird goes away. I’ve lost my ability to can.”
• Spawns fan art instantly (“Sir Ability Toucan” with a top hat).

Fuel/Energy Discussion

• Debate on the cost/efficiency of jet fuel vs diesel, per-gallon prices, and why industry uses each.
• Linus: “Race fuel is apparently significantly more expensive than jet fuel ... interesting.” ([54:04])

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Generative AI & Likeness Moderation (191:19, 192:34)

Generative AI App Prompt Game

• Luke & Linus react to AI-generated slop—Mark Cuban shows up in a badminton court protest, Sora voice impersonates Linus instead of Luke, IJustine’s pig appears in a video.
• Linus: “Should I opt in to this likeness thing? ... I think especially right now, until we get better things figured out over likeness and stuff, it's better to just hold on for now.” ([176:12])
• Luke: “We’re headed into a level of disconnection from what we’re seeing ... that I don’t know if brand association is even going to be a thing anymore.” ([181:22])

YouTube Rolls Out Likeness Detection Technology ([192:34])

• “Technology designed to prevent people from having their likeness misused by identifying and managing AI generated content featuring the likeness of creators ... this is something ... it’s taken too long, but this is something.” ([192:34])

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Other Notable Tech Stories

• SuperBox Set-Top Boxes Bricking Devices if Sold Below Minimum Price ([130:25])
  • Linus: “This is some mafia level stuff here.”
• OpenAI Announces ChatGPT Web Browser “Atlas”, Microsoft Launches Copilot Mode and “Mico” (the New Clippy) ([136:00–139:59])
• Samsung and Google’s Android XR Headset Debut ([61:34–68:56])
• Bionic Eye Implant News ([217:36])

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Ethics, Platforms, and Agencies (200:20)

• Candid debate about whether LMG should run an ad agency for other creators, and how to handle differing ethical lines (e.g., gambling, adult content, animal products).
• Linus: “There are too many things to fight for... I set my own lines. I don’t necessarily expect other people to do the same.” ([204:26])
• Luke: “It’s going to be difficult for you to survive without interacting with any company that does things you disagree with ... that’s just how it is.” ([215:23])
• Dan: “If staff don’t want to touch it, you might have to look elsewhere for that particular production.” ([216:34])

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Funny and Memorable Moments

• Jet Engine-Powered AI: “Your cloud-based seahorse emojis powered by jet engines.”
• Ability Toucan: The new mascot for things so absurd you "can’t even."
• Linus on Likeness Licensing: “I think especially right now… just hold on to it for now."
• Luke's Travel Tech Loadout: Secrets to not getting toolkits confiscated at customs ([91:13])
• Linus’ Viking Funeral Will: “Rent a boat, buy a smaller boat, go into international waters, put me in a wooden boat, push me away, then shoot it with a flaming arrow.” ([115:02])
• Meta smart glasses roasting: “I was able to clearly hear everything [he] was listening to ... If you’re comfortable with people hearing what you’re listening to, that’s fine. It’s very much listenable.” ([66:38])

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Selected Quotes

“It is interesting how fragile this thing that an enormous percentage of people's lives relies on … it's pretty wild.”
— Linus, [25:49]

“We are literally hiring the competitor that is going to move in and eat our lunch to desperately keep our website alive for just a little bit longer.”
— Luke, [10:55]

“It’s not market manipulation if it’s not a market … That’s the reason why actual financial markets are regulated … You can’t rely on a corporation whose interests are opposed to your own.”
— Luke, [38:03]

“Your cloud-based seahorse emojis powered by jet engines. It literally went brrr.”
— Linus & Luke, [46:51]

“That's what you’re protecting, right, the stakes are huge … But don’t do a factory tour unless you’re ready to show it all.”
— Luke, [155:28]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:50 — Complete scope of AWS outage, services affected
• 06:00–08:40 — Why everyone uses AWS, cost/benefit, on-prem vs cloud
• 10:55 — Business culture insights: “eating our lunch”
• 15:58 — Deep dive: DNS defect causes mega-outage
• 24:18 — Luke’s “cool story, bro” about Wi-Fi DNS hacks
• 30:34 — Outage fallout: smart beds, Slack, Premier League, Starbucks
• 33:39–44:48 — Counter-Strike 2 skins market crash and Valve’s masterstroke
• 45:01–50:53 — Data centers running on jet engines, “ability to can” bit
• 61:34–68:56 — Samsung XR headset and the future of input
• 130:25 — Superbox: pirate set-top box bricking devices
• 136:00 — New AI browsers, Copilot/Mico/Clippy musings
• 191:19–193:50 — GenAI likeness, opt-in dilemmas, YouTube’s detection rollout
• 200:20–216:54 — Ethics of platforming, agencies, and where to draw the line

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Final Thoughts

The episode exemplifies the WAN Show’s signature approach: exploring critical tech infrastructure, confronting the risks of centralized dependency, and never losing sight of the geeky and the absurd. With in-depth (and sometimes meandering) analysis, memorable analogies, and moments of laugh-out-loud candor, Linus and Luke deliver a compelling, accessible, cautionary—and very human—take on the state of tech in 2025.

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For the full experience, including hilarious outtakes, spontaneous tech anecdotes, and fan-activated memes, check out the WAN Show archive.

Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

What is up, everybody? And welcome to the WAN show coming to you live from behind the great firewall. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you guys today. What do we want to talk about? Oh, I don't know. How about the fact that an Amazon snafu broke the flipping Internet, affecting it in ways that I don't think pretty much anyone could have seen coming. Like seriously major services, banks, heated beds were not operating correctly. And we're going to, we're going to get into. Get it, get, get into the impact. We're also going to be talking about, oh, I don't know, how about the CS2 skins market losing a casual $2 billion in value because of a change that Valve made. But here's the thing, guys. Valve can't rug pull if they never told you guys to buy this stuff. We'll get into that. What else we got?

[Linus Sebastian]

This week they're using jet engines to supplement power for growing AI data centers. That's cool and not a problem. Also actually kind of cool. YouTube's likeness detection tech has officially launched. What does that mean? It means good things, as far as I can tell. We'll talk about that later. You can't do it. I can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't do the button.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't do the button.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did it. Are you gonna do the things? I can do the things. Oh, Dud. Odd Pieces, Desi, Delta Hub, dbrand, Rap Partner, Dell Laptop Partner. Secret Lab Chair Partner. Wait, he's not here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? You're messing with my stuff. Oh, you can't. No, you can't do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's illegal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yours was actually right side up, which was weird.

[Dan]

I did that before the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Someone was messing with me already.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mine was upside down, so I fixed mine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, why don't we jump right into our big headline topic this week? A major out of Amazon Web Services rendered large parts of the Internet unusable earlier this week, breaking hundreds of apps, websites and games that rely on the service. Brace yourselves, guys, because here is a non comprehensive list of not even Close to pretty small. Pretty small web services you might have heard of that were impacted. Alexa Ring. Okay, that all makes sense. That's. Those are Amazon services. Reddit, Snapchat, wordle, Roblox, Amazon. Okay, that one. Many major banks. Ring, Robin Hood, HBO, Max, Venmo, Epic Games, McDonald's, Fortnite, Lyft, Hulu, Disney Plus, Roku, Signal Stream, Reddit, Zoom, Pokemon, Go, PlayStation Network, AI services such as Perplexity, and services from AT&T, Verizon and T Mobile, along with many others around the world. As much as a third of Internet sites and services rely in some way on Amazon Web Services, better known as aws. Now Luke, can we take a moment to just kind of pause from this and talk about how bat crap crazy that is not because we are giving an American megacorporation so much power and putting them in a position where they can. Where they are the keystone of the entire freaking online lives that we live.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, combine it with Cloudflare and it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like even crazy, but because Amazon is really expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How is a third of the Internet using aws?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so expensive as much as it's really expensive. Nobody got fired for using aws. Also, AWS is really expensive for mostly specifically the use case that we had. And it's. It's less expensive for that now. It's still really expensive though. If you're doing small transaction y kind of things on it and you're doing it efficiently, it can be. It can be kind of all right. It's also expensive to have engineers on staff managing your own servers. Like, like how things are expensive is. Is questionable. Someone said Amazon is a new IBM. It's like kinda. A lot of places just do that by default. A lot of these services as well. Like one part of it would work on aws. It wouldn't be like their entire thing is on aws. Like we actually technically, this stream for floatplane is coming through aws.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Heavens no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, so like. But. But the vast majority of our service is not literally only that portion because IVs, their, their whole like Twitch thing is, Is pretty easy to use. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So in a nutshell, AWS does provide a legitimately good service that can be affordable. And I mean, honestly, I still, I still remember when we were first starting up floatplane and even in the years preceding that, what a big deal it was to be AWS certified, which basically, as far as you know from my conversations with you, basically meant that people went to a. Amazon was pretty much making it so affordable and so easy to develop services with us that being certified pretty much meant that, you know, you could, you could color in a coloring book compared to, you know, the old way. And I remember you not really caring very much about that when people were applying.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was just so much easier to get than, than many other things. And like it's, there's a big gap between someone who can build things in AWS and someone who can build things in AWS efficiently. And that is like incredibly important.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. And then, and then I remember you saying like this is basically Amazon's power play to have everybody certified in spending money at Amazon.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's going to kill like the, and, and there's, there's certainly something to be said for standards. You know, standards are good, but it's going to, it's going to kill the just like boutique website, boutique hosting and, and, and data service data serving businesses and skills. It's going to kill those skills and we're going to be left with this world where everything just runs on aws. Because it was so even then it wasn't affordable in all cases, but in many cases it was very affordable and the people getting certified and the people implementing these services weren't the ones spending the money. So for the things that were expensive or once they ramped up the pricing, there'd be no incentive for the people who maintain these services to move off of aws, especially if it's the only thing that they know. And it feels like this outage is pretty much the doomsday scenario or at least a hint of what a doomsday scenario like you imagined might look like. Is that, is that kind of fair to say? I mean this is a like literally 10 years old conversation at this point.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, I mean this is, this is pretty much exactly it. I actually thought it was going to be even more, I think like more recently over the last few years some places have been going back to their own managed stuff, which I don't know if I. It's hard to remember back then, but I think I would have expected that to not be happening.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We did talk about that. We both wanted it. We both didn't understand why On Prem was not. It wasn't just not really used as much as it was like looked down upon. Oh yeah, it was, it was shunned. Yeah. Like I got crapped on. Why are you on Stupid Old Way archival storage? Yeah, exactly. Are you a caveman?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, and so I think we both wanted on prem.

[Linus Sebastian]

I definitely wanted On Prem. No, no, I don't think so at all. And I'm happy that it is kind of coming back. And I don't think this outage is like why it's coming back. To be clear, a very.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's to do with money.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rare case outage is not. Yeah. Is not what people are running away from. I think it's money. I think it's control.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Privacy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly. Privacy, stuff like that. It's. Yeah, it's interesting. But yeah, this outage was. Was crazy. Yeah, it's one, One interesting loop is if I remember correctly, when Pokemon Go first. Because that was one of the things mentioned in this list. When Pokemon Go first went live, their server struggled and AWS, like tweeted or something and was like, hey, we can like help you with that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I guess they figured something out there because I didn't actually know they had started working with them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

NCIX's weekly specials during major events like Boxing Day, which for those of you not in Canada or the UK or Australia, is. Was kind of Canada's Black Friday, until Black Friday kind of made its way into the international space. Like every Boxing Day, our site would just be completely unusable sometimes for, for a very long period of time. Oh, I remember and. Oh, yeah, yeah. I wasn't, I wasn't saying it for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know. You know, I just, I found some packed, like, you know, we've been. My house has been. Been moving stuff around constantly, get out of the way of certain types of work and whatnot. And I found a few boxes that had NCX barcode labels on them and I was like, hell yeah, we're back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, so we, we like one year, like magically solved it. And when I found out that our solution was to use aws, I was like losing my mind because I was sitting here going like, if this is not a sign of the end times, I don't know what is. We are literally hiring like paying large amounts of money because this is during, you know, peak hours and we were using more than just, you know, hosting. I think we were using like DDoS protection services from them and stuff like that. Like, basically it was a whole AWS package that, that we were buying to. To in a desperate attempt to keep our website up. And I was like, we are cooked. Because like, yes, obviously part of being a retailer is having the right, the right stock, right. Having the right pricing, having the relationship with the customer, you know, the email newsletter list, you know, all those things that, that make you a retailer. But part of being an online retailer you is having a modern tech deployment that allows you to. To be competitive in the modern space. And, you know, at this time, you know, not only am I sitting reading about, you know, Amazon's super advanced mega warehouses and, and prime and whatever. Right. Remember, this is relatively early days. They were just kind of moving into Canada. But now I'm sitting here going, our infrastructure, our web infrastructure, which is our whole thing, nobody can access us without it, is so bad, so outdated, so broken that we're literally hiring the competitor that is going to move in and eat our lunch to desperately keep our website alive for just a little bit longer. I just, it was. It was such a moment for me. It's like, like, what could I do? What could I. What could I compare that to? It would be like freaking, you know, Sam's Club. Having to. Having to lease floor space in Costco in order to sell bulk pianos or whatever. You know, like, trying to. I'm trying to. You get what I mean, though?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, for sure. It's. I mean, it's the. It's one of the weirdest things with Kik for me, right? Is it's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be like Lowe's buying their inventory from Home Depot. Like, what is happening right now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Effectively their entire site from Amazon.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so. It's so interesting to me because they're the same business model, basically. Like, it's not exactly, but it's so similar.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then. And then, you know that Twitch is basically not making money. So it's like, what's happening? I can guarantee you IVS is making money, which is. Which is Amazon's like, live streaming thing. And then I believe they're also getting other services from Amazon as well. So, like, you know, they're definitely making money off of, like, I have. I have speculated. I don't. I used to have a bunch of friends at Twitch and they all retired now because they made that Amazon stock money. But if I had someone to talk to, I would, I would ask them this. But at a certain point, the whole Twitch doesn't make money thing, I almost wonder if it, like, doesn't really matter because that's what they're using to keep the tech stack nice and fresh to sell to other people anyways. So, like, whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just our own internal test vehicle.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And every once in a while there's a random scandal over a hot tub nip slip or.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, a little bit of, you know, messaging people in discord that probably shouldn't have been done. And we can just kind of blinders on, ignore this thing and.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Test our technology and if it ultimately doesn't work out, then I guess whatever. I. Yeah. Because like I don't think it's a terrible hypothesis.

[Linus Sebastian]

They still need a thing to hold up and go like look, we can do a lot of this and really well. And them having that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

In their own control is like the best advertisement they could have. And then when people talk about Twitch, they still talk about Twitch as its own island. It's very rare for like the news cycle to be like Amazon's Twitch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Has this so and so scandal. They just say Twitch. So they're, they're still pretty insulated from the scandals and it's an incredible advertisement for a very expensive service like here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here me out on this. Would William Osman have done Sauce plus with us if we didn't have float plane?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. No.

[Dan]

And I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. You got the answer is obvious.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your own. Yeah, yeah, I. Oh, I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

It would have been really weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wouldn't have believed that we had the credibility to do it if we didn't have our own test vehicle.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, makes makes sense. We got about 20% of the way through the notes on this topic, so I'm going to keep going. Amazon's subsequent investigation into the out outage determined that it impacted customer applications over three distinct periods. So starting just before midnight Pacific time Sunday, Amazon Web Services began experiencing increased DynamoDB API error rates in the US East1 region. DynamoDB is a serverless, fully managed NoSQL database that powers many high traffic Amazon properties, including Alexa, Amazon.com and all Amazon fulfillment centers. It also serves AWS customers and when it's functional, routinely handles more than 1 billion requests per hour. Yeah, the root cause was found to be a latent defect in the service's automatic DNS management. I was about to say exactly what Jordan wrote in the notes. It's always DNS. I can practically picture Seinfeld being like, like Newman DNS, you know, my arch rival. DNS issues. Sometimes it can even be intentional DNS issues. Okay, we're going on another sidetrack here. Going on the side quest. So I have this issue when I fly where I like to use multiple devices on the Internet. You know, sometimes I have my laptop up and I want to play a game with my controller and my bigger screen and, and I just, I need to be able to validate that Steam's online because I forgot to launch it before I Took off, whatever. That doesn't matter. The point is, I might also want to have my phone texting on WhatsApp with my wife at the same time. But what I don't like to do is pay for two separate Internet connections on the same flight. It's like, bro, you already got my $18 or whatever for like four hours of Internet. That is, that is not something I'm going to do two times. Doesn't matter how much I could afford it. It doesn't matter. If I was literally a billionaire, I would not pay for Internet twice on one flight. I simply won't. It's the principle of the thing. So Windows actually has. And I don't know when they, when they added this or at least when it got so convenient, but Windows has a feature to use your laptop as a mobile hotspot. And what's really cool about it is my understanding is there is a way to do this on Android as well. Because I've talked about this before and someone pointed out you can do it on Android as well. But I certainly haven't found a very convenient way to do it where you can share a WiFi connection over Wi Fi. So on Windows you can have your Wi Fi Internet connection shared over Wi Fi. Like Internet connection sharing has been a thing like five ever. If you had a wired connection, you could share it over WI Fi. Or if you had a wireless connection, you could share it over. I think you could do like Bluetooth and even like infrared back in the day. There's, there's, there's all kinds of stuff. But anyway, the point is, I've been using this for years, so I would like, plug my laptop when I didn't even want to use my laptop at all because I would buy Internet for my laptop. I would, like, turn off sleep when closing the lid, plug it into the power outlet by my seat and, and just like put it on the floor and then keep using the Internet off of my laptop hotspot. Then pull it up when I want to use my laptop so I could use it to have a whole hotspot for me and my homies on the plane. It's been great. But, but over the last. I don't know, and, and it depends on the airline. Some of them caught onto it pretty quick and some of them seem to have caught onto it a little slower over the last couple years. Maybe they have started to wise up and they've been doing something, something to make it so that the, and I'm going to get the terminology wrong here Because I only had to look this up because I was trying to solve this problem on a stupid flight. But basically, you know the little Internet status indicator in the, in the system tray on Windows.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like the little, the little, you know, globe or the little, the little like WI fi thing. Okay. There they were doing something to make that status indicator not detect that you have an Internet connection. And when they do that, a whole bunch of stuff doesn't work. So WhatsApp, the, like the Windows WhatsApp client doesn't work. Windows Update obviously doesn't work. I can totally understand why they wouldn't want anybody performing Windows updates on a plane. And maybe that was a big part of their motivation for implementing this. But any service that requires your computer to know that it is online doesn't work. A web browser works. You can be online all you want. But if the computer doesn't know it, there's certain services that won't work and mobile hotspot is one of them. So I spent probably, and this is, this is really dumb, but one of the previous flight that I was on, I spent probably an hour of my like 3 hour flight pass just trying to overcome this obstacle because it just had become kind of an interesting challenge.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I didn't manage to do it because my Google Fu simply wasn't strong enough. But on this last flight I managed to do it with a little bit of help from some old friends. David Pankratz, who hasn't appeared on camera too much, he was in the, the Forte VR headset video recently. But yeah, he's super cool guy, very technical.

[Linus Sebastian]

See a bunch of him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, right. Obviously he was, he was on my team in Scrapyard Wars. Anyway, David's super cool and he pinged me, he sent me in the right direction. He's like, can you get here by any chance? Www.msft ncsi.com/ncsi.txt so I had already found this weird GitHub that I had linked in my Reddit post asking people to kind of help me with this, that claimed to bypass this issue by setting up like a, like a local, a local server essentially that runs on your own machine and tricks Windows into pinging that to check for connectivity so it'll just always think it's connected because you can always be connected to yourself. But David sort of linked me up with the terminology and as soon as I tried to go to that URL, it redirected to the airline's captive portal sign in page and I was like, ah, DNS basically They're doing some funky stuff with DNS that makes it so that you can't access the NCSI network connection, whatever the service is called. Long story short, I finally managed to fix it. And if you guys ever run into this, what you have to do is you have to switch over to passive mode. So normally the default for Windows is to actively ping that specific URL. And I don't. I'm sure there's a really good technical reason why you would want to ping a specific URL in order to determine if your Internet is on versus just more broadly sort of recognizing that the Internet is on by just, you know, seeing if there's Internet traffic coming in. Like, I remember back in the day, like, you. You probably remember this too, Luke. You'd run into situations all the time where the indicator looks great, right? It's like you're connected to the Internet, but you just totally wouldn't have an Internet connection.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I. But I was reminded. But I. But I was reminded of this topic because I was thinking, like, dude, what would happen if that service went down? If Microsoft NCSI went down, like, and everyone's computers just were connected to the Internet, but didn't know they were connected to the Internet? Dude, that would be wild. Okay, so hold on. I found my post on Reddit where I explained the fix. So, yeah, you need to disable active probing, which, and it's always a Registry hack, is just a single Registry value that you switch off for active probing. And it switches on passive probing, which does exactly what I would have intuited is the better way to do this, where it just kind of monitors for Internet traffic once in a while, and if it detects it, it goes, yep, you're connected to the Internet. And then turns on the little icon that says you're connected to the Internet and allows you to use whatever services you want. So that was a really. It's very early, and I'm in another time zone and my brain's not really functioning correctly. Meandering way of telling the story of I can now use my mobile hotspot on the plane. And also, if that service from Microsoft ever goes down, I'm good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. That is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can hit it with a cool story, bro. I think I deserve it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a little bit of a cool story, bro. That is interesting, though. Like, it is, it is. This is like one of the twigs at the bottom of the pile of things that's keeping the Internet alive right now. And we saw one of the twigs break for a small period of time. And the impact of that. There are other ones. I mentioned Cloudflare earlier. This sounds like, kind of in a different vein, but one of them. But it's, It's. It's just. It's interesting how fragile this thing that like an enormous percentage of a lot of people's lives relies on. It's. It's pretty wild.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People have some comments on the whole probing thing. Panda says they're doing something similar with cruise lines too. Yep, that totally makes sense. Ado says some apps don't use the Windows API and do their own check, but many do use the Microsoft method. Yep. So a lot of things work. A lot of things flipping don't. Oh, man. Steam had a bug for a little while. I think they fixed it maybe about a month ago for me, but it was driving me absolutely crazy where Steam wouldn't know that it was connected to the Internet unless I was in desktop mode. Like, it wouldn't know in Big picture. So I went a span of like at least a month without not being in big picture on my, on my ally. And so I didn't get an update to a new version of the tape to tape like pre beta, like the feedback build that I was on.

[Linus Sebastian]

And.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so I kept giving them feedback that was like, based on an old build. And I had no idea because my Steam just like wasn't connected to the Internet for over a month. And what the heck, I didn't know there were any updates to the game. And then the second I flipped out into desktop mode, it updated and I was like, oh, crap, this. Sorry guys, this is embarrassing, but I've been running an ancient build while I've been like, sending all of these feedback.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would have driven me nuts. Dude.

[Dan]

Dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, I know. I fel so bad. I felt so bad, but I, I just, I didn't know. I had no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't reproduce this problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then I looked it up and it was a thing like people, people just. They're like, oh, yeah, the fix is just to switch to desktop mode. I'm like, that. That is. That is so dumb. Why would being in Big Picture mode make it so that Steam doesn't know that it's connected to the Internet?

[Linus Sebastian]

That is weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. If anyone has any insight into why that would have been that. Wow. Would love to. Would love to hear about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just immediately jumped to like, was that the easiest way for them to just make it so that you don't download in the background. It shouldn't be. They have other ways to handle that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Valve, you mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There'S no way. Oh, off. Brand law says I work with an engineer who worked on Big Picture. I'll get back to you next week.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yes. Like I would. I would love it seems. I'd love to know why. I'd love to know why. But I like, seriously, I looked it up. This was not just me, this was a thing. Sorry, I shall continue and we shall actually get through this topic at some point. The DynamoDB issue also impacted EC2, Amazon's on demand computing service, resulting in increased API errors, increased latency and failure to launch new instances in the US East 1 region. The problems with EC2 impacted the network load balancer and all services that use network load balancer due to failing node health checks. All these issues of course caused problems for other dependent Amazon services, with operations only returning to fully normal by about 4am Tuesday. If you enjoy massive walls of tiny text, you can check out Amazon's post event summary. Dan, if you want to throw that in the chat, that'd be. That'd be kind of cool. CNN Business reported that the financial impact of this outage could be in the hundreds of billions. Okay, that, yeah, I don't know about that. That seems like it might just be one of those. Like an AI could gain sentience and take over the world. Like yeah, maybe. But also like we're never going to be able to measure this, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

It could have been more than $100 million. Yeah, it could have been.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It could have been some of the less serious impacts. Owners of eight Sleep Smart beds were unable to change position or temperature of their beds, which is ridiculous and something that Luke and I have talked about on the WAN show before. There is no reason whatsoever that two devices on the same WI fi should have to relay through a cloud server to talk to each other when they are both just devices. You flipping owner.

[Linus Sebastian]

The only possible reason is an excess of control from the company that you bought it from.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't forget about an excess of data collection. Luke, you've forgotten the other possible reason.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, true. Maybe both. I think in this case it's both.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, in response, eight Sleep has added an outage mode to their beds, which should just be the default operating mode. But whatever, I guess this is progress. Some Slack users found themselves unable to leave audio conversations. That's potentially really awkward, but also pretty funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had that problem. It was actually totally fine because everyone else was able to leave.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yeah, so you just Does Slack. Does Slack give you that Forever Alone message like Discord does? Hey, it appears you're in this voice chat by yourself. That's pretty sad. Also, we're going to turn off our, our servers now.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it plays, it plays like lobby music and it's like actually pretty great lobby music. So it was, it was pretty chill, to be honest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Cool. Premier League Soccer officials were forced to manually confirm offside calls when their AWS based semi automated offside technology was unavailable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Starbucks users were forced to talk to a human to order their drinks.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's probably the worst outage out of all them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And wordle and Duolingo lost their minds about broken streaks. It looks like the streaks were maintained by the respective devs though. Or it looks. Yeah, yeah, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, the discussion question is the first thing I said. Basically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So we can move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, we are dependent on a small handful of services and yes, it's a terrible, terrible, terrible thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

And to give the discussion questions some credit, the, the AWS plus Cloudflare combo is a particularly devastating, you know, two support beams to just chop right at the knees if you wanted to hurt the Internet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, you want to pick a next topic for us? I can't see Dan's messages, so I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don'T know what we're. It's still topic two. Let's talk about this one because it's just, it's interesting to me. The counter strike two market cap for skins dropped by almost $2 billion.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Billion.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God. Counter Strike pushed an update this week that affected the way certain items can now be combined to create rarer ones, often much harder to achieve through the game's loot box mechanics. If I remember correctly, this combining of things to get a new one was a mechanic back in TF2. At a certain point I could be wrong. Did it work a different way?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, you're forgetting the full history here.

[Dan]

Okay, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This combining mechanic, okay. Was first implemented by carnies at carnivals. You walk up, you see the shiny big bear. You play the game, you get a tiny plastic trinket.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're totally right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You trade up plastic. To be clear, I actually do think that overall in the long run, this is probably a healthier thing for making CS2 gambling on skins less of a thing. Maybe. Hopefully. Possibly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hopefully.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it still, it still has its roots in grift games.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, okay, I've got a theory. I've got a theory here. This hurts the market, but the market is a lot of it is Gray market. Right. People are trading off platform, trading cash off platform and then trading the items in game. That's a lot of the movement. This, in my opinion, will not reduce the amount of activity that Valve sees.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, if anything, I suspect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly. I suspect this will increase valves like touch points because you might be more incentivized to buy a loot box if you're like, I can just trade up. I'm not losing any value because I can just trade up and get something better later. But the unobtainium of things might have actually scared people off a little bit. Very interesting, Very interesting. Also, more lower value items I think increases the chance that people are going to trade through the Valve marketplace instead of these off platform marketplaces. So yeah, if anything, I think this is Valve just being like we're going to change the playing field a little bit and make a lot more money. One knife was sold for about $14,000 just before this update and it is now valued at about half of that. The person who sold that is stoked. While some of the more common items known as reds, which are used to create these rare items, saw an increase in as much as 10 times the market value. That makes sense. This brought the estimated $6 billion market. What? Down to just under 4.3 billion.

[Dan]

So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh. Nameless in floatplane chat says China uses it as kind of a pseudo, pseudo financial market investment vehic because of government limitations on what they can invest in. And they're all running away at the moment because Valve disrupted it and that's why it's crashing way harder than it should.

[Dan]

Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which I thought is an interesting perspective. I don't know much about CS2 skins in China, but it kind of makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some people got lucky. One Reddit user apparently had their worthless inventory skyrocket to about US$4.4 million.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And the real winners are Valve since they get a 5% Steam transactions fee and a 10% Counter Strike 2 fee, which basically means Valve gets a 15% cut on any panic buying and selling. Except when it's done off platform. But yeah, still crazy. Do you think this counts as market manipulation? No. Seeing as how at any moment Valve or other game companies can profit off from these changes. Yeah, which is why you probably shouldn't use it as a store of value.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, these. I mean that's the whole. That's the whole thing. That's. It's not market manipulation if it's not a market. It's not supposed to be a market. People like, if, like this is like Saying this is like calling the LEGO company a market manipulator. If they decide to reprint a bunch of minifigures, like, that's totally within their rights to do. You can't. That's the reason why actual financial markets are regulated or supposed to be regulated properly, because it prevents this kind of thing. But like, yeah, Lowell Inverse says, ah, yes, Magic the Gathering. Exactly. Like, you can't rely on a corporation whose interests are completely opposed to your own to behave as some sort of, like, weird benevolent protector of the, of the, of your little sort of pseudo financial market. Like, that's not, that's not how they work.

[Linus Sebastian]

What are you smoking?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Says, trust me, bro guy. I mean, even if we were to go back to the backpack warranty thing, it was a completely separate argument. My argument was that it would be devastating for my brand if I didn't take care of things, which it is in my best interest to take care of things. Our interests are aligned.

[Linus Sebastian]

While true wasn't a great argument.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, but it's a very true one. Look what happened. The negative result of me pointing out literally proved my point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke, that's really funny. Euroblue said, Zero Blue tagged me and said, what are you smoking? If the market shrinks in value, Valve also makes less money. They made it to make knives more accessible.

[Dan]

If.

[Linus Sebastian]

If transactions ramp like crazy because people think knives are more accessible, Valve will make a bunch of money. A lot of these extremely high value transactions were happening off platform, meaning Valve was not getting a cut from it. They want more smaller stuff to happen because there's a higher chance that happens more on platform and then they do get a cut from it also. Everything I'm saying is speculation, but I think that's what's going on. I have a pretty strong assumption that's what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hobbs is saying that valve gets 100% on key purchases to open crates. And if you're more willing to open a crate now because you can see value in it, because you can just roll upwards, then they're. They're getting money from the key. And as you. If you trade skins on platform, they're getting money from that as well. They want to sell keys and they want transactions between players to stay on platform as much as possible, because then they're pulling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They win, they win. When you try to throw your ball in Jennifer Love Hewitt's mouth, they win again. If you do happen to, you know, win a few little, you know, crappy plastic keychains, they win again. If you trade Those crappy plastic keychains up for Terence and Phillips Philip dolls, they win again. If you sell your Terence and Philip doll, like, it's. It's shenanigans, man. It's pure shenanigans.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Couple people got the reference, maybe, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

I never had a knife, and now I have one, and I'm happy. Thanks, Valve. Cool, dude. That's totally fine. Oh, all right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can I just suggest. Can I just suggest that if you really want a knife. Okay. If you want a knife that badly, okay. You can just head over to Kickstarter. Okay. I'm gonna post this link in the chat for you. Okay. You can head over to Kickstarter where the Hacksmith is selling his incredible 21,1 titanium multi tool. Okay. You can. You can get it for. Hold on. Okay, what's. What's the lowest pledge that is actually still available? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Well, no, I don't think they're. I don't think there's. I don't think they're shipping yet. The point is, I don't think you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can do any of these.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. Is he.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it because I'm not taking orders? Is it because I'm not signed in?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or is it over? Whatever. The point is, find some way to give a real person real, actual money for a real, actual knife. Okay. There. That's it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought you were gonna troll me with the hammer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then start saving up. Because it's an expensive knife. You can save up, and then when it's available, you can buy it. Don't buy it. Don't buy a digital knife, because this is what happens someday. CS2 might not exist someday. You know, Gabe N. Or the stewards of Valve that he apparently has, like, kind of worked out so that Valve will still be chill as he passes or whatever. Apparently. Apparently, huh? But someday this might not be the way that it is right now. And this is not. This is not a good, sustainable, forever thing. Okay, Cool. Good chat. Not financial advice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Some people have made incredible amounts of money, like, wild amounts of money on CS skins. I find anytime it's like, tangential stuff like this. I know people that have made multiple generational fortunes on coins. I know. Not directly, but I know of people who have made similar amounts of money on CS skins. I. I saw somebody post, like, if you invested, I don't know, like, a thousand dollars in CS skins when they first started being a thing compared to now, you would have, like, absolutely destroyed the stock market, which is hilarious. Like, I don't know, but if you're gonna do those things, you need to know what you're doing. You need to be paying a lot of attention. You need to live it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And even if you're paying attention, you might still. Even if you're paying attention. Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's actually more likely that you'll still get ripped, but some people will make it. I don't know. It is what it is. The world is crazy. I ain't judging, but it's be ready. It's gambling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's gambling.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it do be gambling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, Luke, you're sort of in charge because I don't have the schedule.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, we're. We have 10 minutes to do another topic. We can do a short one. Want to do this? Jet engines used to supplement power for growing AI data centers. While some US Data center operators have been having troubles getting increased grid power allotted, they've turned to aero derivative gas turbines. Effectively retired commercial aircraft engines bolted into trailers for supplemental power. There are facilities.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pause. Can we pause for a second?

[Linus Sebastian]

Aero derivative gas. What a day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I saw this headline. That is. That is the most ridiculous euphemism that I think I have ever heard. Aero derivative gas turbines. They're not aero derivative, you insincere pieces. They are literally. Literally based on the GE CF6, ADC2 and LM6000. Literally the turbines used on Boeing 767s and Airbus 310s. These are. They're. They're jet engines from actual jets. What are we. What are. What timeline are we on now? I have completely lost all ability to follow what is going on in the world. How does this make any sense? Okay, Luke, my favorite part is that.

[Linus Sebastian]

This might mean that when. When probably a ton of people in the audience asked their version of ChatGPT if there was a seahorse emoji that was powered by chat engines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It literally went burr, Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just at a certain point, you just have to laugh, man. Like some of the. Some of the stuff, like you're looking at Meta and OpenAI and all these companies releasing these like, slop scrolling apps. Those are powered by jet engines. Like, whoa, what are we doing? What's wrong with us, man?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like everyone's mad at my girl Taylor Swift for flying around in her.

[Linus Sebastian]

Private plane, but everybody's. But at least she's basically flying jets all the time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At least she's bringing music to the people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, your chat GPT thing just. Just output wrong seahorse emojis. At least she's like, doing a task and then flying home. And then doing a task and then flying home. But anyways, those turbine cores that Linus mentioned can deliver up to 48 megawatts of power a piece.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. We need to make PK7's comment in float plane chat a thing. I. I need the official new mascot. I'm sorry, Luke, Your budgies are out. The WAN show has a new bird mascot. The ability to can. We're gonna make a bird. We're gonna make a bird. And sometimes so. So the bird's gonna be like our. It's gonna be our canary. Okay. And whenever something just too ridiculous happens, our bird goes away. And I've lost my ability to can. I just can't anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm serious right now. I want. I want this to be a thing. I want the ability to can.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's pretty serious. We need a emoji for that then. Because then people can spam it in chat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. We're gonna need it. We're gonna need it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was. Okay. Were you surprised at how much power a jet turbine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Generates? Like, I. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought a lot of it would be wasted. Yeah. But I thought. I thought by just strapping it to a trailer that there would be a. Just a wild amount of waste. And I'm sure there still is, but 48 megawatts is a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They really got to bolt that thing down. I'm gonna go back to this. When you see the supports.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Hold on. I haven't. I haven't actually looked at the pictures yet. I need to see the pictures.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's pretty nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Hit me with this. Hit me with this. Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if he's reacting to that or.

[Dan]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke. A real actual engineer was given the task. Okay. To build a rig that prevents a jet engine from doing the one literal thing that it's supposed to do. Move.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also that I can generate doing with your life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Also that I can generate an AI Video of s fan pouring milk into a cargo shorts pocket. That's. That's. That's what's going on. That's. This is important. This is good. I'm happy we did this. There's that whole thing about how, like, civilization basically progresses by its ability to harness more and more power. Maybe we needed this.

[Dan]

Dyson Sphere, baby.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Maybe this is. Maybe this is one continual step towards a Dyson sphere. Fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you know how Much it costs like to run one of these engines.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's see. LM6000.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like I can, I can tell you right now, one of those planes would cost potentially, you know, 20 grand an hour in the air. I don't know how much of that is the engines and how much of that is other stuff. But like easily the fuel like of.

[Linus Sebastian]

An LM6000 is 2905 USD per hour. Or at least that's what the AI Summary Overview powered by the jet engine told me. I thought. I thought it would make sense if, if I use the jet engine powered output to say what the jet engine took in regards to fuel. Normally I would skip over that section.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The not so bright says imagine the cost of fuel. How is this cost effective compared to diesel engines? Yeah, like, like why are we using jet fuel? Is jet fuel not more expensive than actually, I mean diesel's like. Diesel's gotten expensive like it was in my lifetime that diesel was cheaper because.

[Linus Sebastian]

They use lower grade or whatever steel beams to attach it to the trailer and jet fuel can't melt steel beams. So they, so they thought it would be structurally sound.

[Dan]

Do I dig a 911 joke?

[Linus Sebastian]

They thought. No, they thought it was going to do it. They thought it would hold together a second.

[Dan]

Ding has hit the joke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm done. I'm out. The land show has gone too far. I can no longer be party to this.

[Dan]

I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't.

[Dan]

I can't help myself.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my God, you guys.

[Linus Sebastian]

Consumption. No.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, apparently jet A is basically kerosene. Says someone in chat. And it doesn't look that expensive. According to the AI overview, powered by jet engines is about $5 and 63 cents a gallon. What's. What's diesel? How much is diesel? I haven't bought diesel in forever. Okay, way cheaper. But then I have no idea what the energy density of of diesel and jet air and I have no idea what the efficiency of it. I would think a diesel, a diesel engine would be the most efficient. Right. But maybe there's a long lead time on large diesel generators.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think there is like, like data center scale ones. I think there is your ball Red.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Says jet fuel is not taxed the same and is surprisingly cheap for what it is. Yes, that's the whole thing. Like, like I was I alluded to earlier. In my lifetime, diesel has gone from being like kind of a cheap byproduct fuel of the gasoline that drives the the petroleum industry to being the more to being having the price driven up by Demand from like, like cargo ships and industrial vehicles to the point where even though the diesel is like the lower grade, like, crappier product, it's. It's the. It's. The more expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is race fuel more expensive than jet fuel?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't even know what race fuel is. Wait, people in China are telling me that jet A is diesel? You got to be kidding me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Race fuel is apparently significantly more expensive than jet fuel. That's. That's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, race fuel is super pure or something, right? I'm not. I'm not a fuel expert, guys, at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just find it kind of interesting that race fuel is lead. Oh, wow.

[Dan]

Yeah, no, it's just super. Super high octane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, interesting. Casper Explorer says diesel is not crappy. And Dan Vibe says it contains more energy than gasoline.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've thought that about diesel, to be honest. I thought it contained more energy than gasoline.

[Dan]

Diesel needs to be compressed, not ignited. And yeah, Jedi needs something volatile because it's got the. The burnery things that ignite it. But I would expect a power outage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

AI overview. Here we go. We're only using AI for the rest of the.

[Linus Sebastian]

We have to turn the jet engines. We have to power the jet engines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jet fuel and diesel are both kerosene based distillates, but differ in additives, sulfur content, and performance characteristics. Jet fuel has less lubricity and higher sulfur content, making it unsuitable for modern diesel engines, which require lubricity, additives and have low sulfur requirements. Conversely, diesel fuel is oilier, has a higher freezing point than some jet fuels, and is not ideal for jet engines. Okay, nice. Good to.

[Linus Sebastian]

We should find ways to work them harder. We should just. We should just keep AI searching things the whole show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God. I love this so much. Oh, my God. I'm posting this in chat, Dan, if you want to switch this over in the meantime. Bryce, 21 13, says, My brother works for one of the leading providers of data center and hospital generators. They're diesel and they take at least a year to get. The major players get priority and they're shipped to them by the dozens. But human labor can only go so fast, and there's limited skilled talent these days. Also, keep in mind they're usually sold as entire enclosures. Transit is difficult too, since they're massive. Yeah, we saw these when we did the. The tour at Equinix. They had their whole diesel generator room, and they're just huge. And yes, a jet engine is huge, but these diesel generators are absolutely enormous. So it makes Sense that if you're just desperate for power right now and you're in this, this AI development arms race that is just a money printing and money burning machine at the same time, a circular money jerk of sorts, then it makes sense that you would just be looking for whatever is the fastest way to get more power. And what could be faster than a jet engine?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan, do you want to throw that on screen?

[Linus Sebastian]

Building 7's fall rate. Explain CW announced and explain two merch messages.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no, I want to see the thing first.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just saying that's what's next. You don't have to do it this second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I see, I see, I see.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we were supposed to buy them time though, weren't we? Dan, have you heard from them? What? No. What? What?

[Dan]

You wanted something in chat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't hear Dan. Yeah, yeah. I posted a link in chat.

[Dan]

Oh, you wanted me to show that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The hilarious aviation thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh okay. I just shared it in the other chats. My bad. One moment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. Throw it up. Throw it up. It's funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's hilarious.

[Dan]

Don't even know.

[Linus Sebastian]

In the meantime I can share it. I got it. I don't know. Can you? I'm done. There it is. Very funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is awesome. Getting it done. You love to see it. Oh no.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's pretty sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It I. I'm sure it's right but it looks so wrong.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Raiden428 in chat says. Hey Linus, maybe go visit marineturbo.com Luke, do you want to fire that up?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On it for a special super interesting something. As a biker you might like their 273 mile per hour helicopter turbine powered bike. There's a whole industry around timed out aviation engines.

[Linus Sebastian]

Marineturbo.com maybe.us no.com I don't think is a thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Power generation Airbo airboats and special projects. I'm on the site right now. It was linked by Raiden 428 MTT commissions its latest monster airboat configuration.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you mean.co.uk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean exactly what I'm saying. Marineturbo.com Raiden 428 has it in the chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

So Marine turbine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Turbine. Turbine turbine. Sorry, sorry, sorry. My bad, my bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I will share it now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Sorry guys. Listen, I am very many time zones off and it is very early in the morning which means that it is the evening and my brain should be functioning correctly and yet it's not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was like bruh, this is definitely Not a website. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even understand. I don't know what stuff that I'm looking at.

[Linus Sebastian]

What are we looking at?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So go to. Go to. Okay. Yeah. What an adrenaline rush like none other on the planet. Turbine Motorcycles. If you go to fifi Airboats and Special Projects, click on Airboats and Work Boats. There's what looks like a giant hovercraft to carry excavators.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's sick. I don't know. Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Imagine this being your business basically red redneck engineering for a living.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you're gonna embed it like that, just link it on YouTube or something. That sucks that these are gone. Oh, this one's here. I mean, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I mean, those aren't. Those aren't jet engines or anything, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Still big old turbines aren't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Those aren't jet engines or anything, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, that thing's crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Those aren't. Those aren't dead end or anything. All right, well, anyway, we can move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Didn't expect we'd be pulling that up today. Okay, CW announce. Dan, are they ready or should we buy them time? Have they messaged you?

[Dan]

Seems to be.

[Linus Sebastian]

Updated. Nice. All right. CW announce. No, it doesn't. What are you talking about?

[Dan]

Oh, you got rid of the line.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, but weren't we supposed to buy them time so they could put it back and then they remove it just in case? Can you check on that? Can you message the guy and we can do a topic real quick? Okay, nice. Samsung launched the first Android XR headset after nearly a year since Google initially revealed their operating system for headsets. Samsung's. Samsung's Galaxy XR is the first mixed reality headset powered by Android XR for 1800 US dollars. Half of the Apple Vision Pro. That's terrifying. The Galaxy XR sports The new Snapdragon XR2 plus Gen 2 chip, micro OLED display, full handed eye tracking, 256 gigs of storage, and camera enabled AI. The goal of Galaxy XR's integration with AI is to be more proactive in situations that require awareness of our app and what we're seeing in the real world simultaneously. Google's Samir Samat did mentioned that you can choose which apps are visible to AI, which is relatively important unless it decides to look at other ones. And also for now, like Linus said, the UI UX reportedly looks very similar to both the Apple Vision Pro and the Meta Quest, which makes complete sense, to be honest. Cnet, there's an image of The UI on a demo Kate that is very generic and normal and kind of boring and bubbly. Okay, sounds good. While you can access, would you want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something super doodle necessarily?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not for that screen. Not particularly. It just is what it is. While you can access like a Chrome browser. Yeah, everything's going to the bubbliness now that I don't know how I feel about. Like YouTube controls are all bubbly now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, dude. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like we're doing heck, the equal but opposite move of the Windows 8 everything, no matter what, has to be a square. Now it's like everything, no matter what, has to be a bubble. And it's like we didn't need either of these. We could have just chilled out in the middle and that would have been totally fine forever. Thank you very much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, how trendiness works.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unfortunately you are very correct. While you can access any app from Google Play out of the box, Google reworked apps like Maps, YouTube and more specifically for XR for example, but not their own. For example Google Photos, you can turn your existing library of 2D photos into 3D so you can step into your memories. Sounds like a black mirror. There is the comment left and I don't entirely disagree, but not sounds kind of cool though it does sound pretty neat. I would definitely try that with a couple Google also ensured support for Open XR Web, XR and Unity, so there will be more new apps and experiences to come in the future. Samsung COO Juan Ju Choi did mention that they aren't aiming to replace smartphones with the release of new XR tech, but he believes they will complement and provide experiences people wouldn't have gotten with smartphones.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I'm really glad he wasn't intending to replace smartphones because that was never going to happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, okay. With this release, that was never going.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To happen in the very long term. Do you think smart glasses have a shot wearing meta. The. The clear. The clear meta glasses.

[Linus Sebastian]

I super do. I don't think these ones do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not gonna happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So yeah, the. He's been wearing the Oakley transparent ones.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On this trip. And he commented last night that he's like really impressed with them so far. And I was like, oh yeah, how come? And he goes, I've been using them all day. Been wearing them all day. And I got back to the hotel room just now, they were at like 30% battery. I popped them on the charger and in just like a few minutes they were charged back up. And now my battery life's great. And this Is like, right before we went out for dinner, and I was like, okay, but like, other than being powered.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What have you done with them? And he's like, oh, man. Like, I can use them. I can ask Meta to do currency conversion for me. And I was like, I've been with you all day. You did that one time. And it would have been just as fast. You literally keep your phone in your chest pocket. Like, it would have been just as fast to use your phone. He's like, but this is cooler.

[Linus Sebastian]

But he's a trendy guy, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He is. So he likes to be clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, but what I'm saying is if he likes them, they might take off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To be clear, he's also taken the piss a little bit. But he also pointed out that he used them to listen to music when we were on the. When we were in a shuttle. And I was like, yes, I noticed that Artie's in chat going, they're great as discreet headphones. Lol. Artie, I can. I. I'm sad to be the one who has to inform you that they're not that discreet. I was able to clearly hear everything that Sharad was listening to. So make of that what you will. If you're comfortable with people hearing what you're listening to, that's totally fine. It wasn't super obnoxious. It wasn't any worse than like an open back headphone or anything like that. But no, very much, very much listenable. So yeah, he used them as headphones and as.

[Linus Sebastian]

And as a currency conversion one time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And to check a currency conversion.

[Linus Sebastian]

He.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also did discreetly take a picture when people didn't realize he was taking a picture. So he took a picture of us having a group picture taken of us. And it was funny because one of the brands that we worked with while we were here had. They asked us if they could do like a behind the scenes of our video shoot for their own. Their own channels. And we were like, oh, yeah, that kind of sounds okay. Like, it's going to be pretty small, right? They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a crew of. I kid you not. It felt like 10 people following, following us around the whole day. So this, like, picture that they're taking, Sherrod, has a picture of the giant crew that was taking the picture. So it's just. It's so. It's pretty funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's kind of cool, actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, Artie, I know you love your Meta glasses. I'm not saying they're completely useless. He points out they are amazing for recording roller coaster POVs. I'm not saying they don't have any use. I'm just saying clearly we are very, very far away from replacing a smartphone. And honestly, Luke, I don't know if ever it is just not more efficient to use natural language instruction compared to tapping on a screen for a lot of things. Like this is kind of like that. I can't say ever though, recently, where.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ever is going to be incorrect. For sure, you're definitely wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't. I can say ever. Hold on. And I'm going to say ever. Give me a second. Because we recently had this conversation yet again when some Microsoft executive said that the keyboard and mouse was going away. And we're like, no, it's not. Because it's just always going to be faster to move something this far. Wait, to move something this far and have that translated to something this far on a screen than moving your whole hand that far. Literally, by definition, that will always be faster.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not the argument.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it. So it. Well, the argument is that you won't need the other thing anymore, right?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there is always going to be. Okay, tell me this, tell me this. Let's use a use case that tech companies love to use because the people who work on their use case examples and the people who work on these presentations have money to travel. So they're always talking about travel, even though most people don't travel and certainly don't travel regularly. Okay, let's talk about travel. You are researching flights on your screen. Whether that screen is attached to your eye holes or attached to your pocket computer or attached to your laptop or desktop. There are some flight options. What will always be the fastest way to select the one that you want?

[Linus Sebastian]

You talking what device or how I would do it? Clicking on it.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Eye tracking could get us there. But we're always going to have to have a way to indicate that. That. Because we can't just have things randomly click on when we look at.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, you need to select.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So there's always, there's always going to have to be a gesture or an eye blink or a. Or a neural thing that we're going to have to train ourselves to do. Like there's going to be. There's going to have to be something. And in that time it will always have been faster to move my finger and go like this. Always.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that's, that's the point. Well, how will it be faster? That's. That's. My question.

[Linus Sebastian]

Neural links like you were mentioning, not eye tracking. Because like you said, the, the confirmation of input is the issue with eye tracking. I mean you, the confirmation of input is. Yeah, the NIA was from freaking OCZ and like 20 years ago.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I get it.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you're saying ever. So if we're talking a hundred years in the future, you think we're still gonna be using computer mice?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I, I actually, yeah, I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

100 years, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Japan still. Japan is phasing out floppy disks.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not talking about Japan. No, we're not talking about Japan. Japan will absolutely still be using computer mice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, that was a very.

[Linus Sebastian]

Might be using fax machines 100 years from now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a bad faith argument, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I know and we technically you're saying forever. So it could be 700 years from now if, if the Earth still exists and we haven't nuked humanity into nonexistence. I think at some point in time the computing as a whole will dramatically change. And I think it's going to be because neural input and output is going to be a very wild thing. I do not think we are even sort of close. I don't, I don't know if we're going to see that in our lifetimes, but saying forever is crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think there's no way we see that in our lifetime, man. Like, I'm like, I'm trying to think of what the, like what would be the infrastructure involved in neural interfaces that are so ubiquitous that you could, you could make a good faith argument that we have moved on from, from tapping on things, from using our hands, from using these multi million year evolutionary marvels.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's gonna get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And maybe this is, maybe this is my lack of imagination. Right? But I'm having a hard time imagining a technology that would allow us to non invasively read the mind.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. Oh, it'll be invasively for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So if it's going to be invasive, I'm having a hard time imagining with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Us people aren't gonna do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, I'm not saying people won't do it. I'm just saying that we are, we're squishy and imperfect and, and messy and we're all a little different. And I'm, I'm having a hard time imagining something that is commodity enough to invasively be implanted in the mind that will work, that will stay functional over the span of like, like aging and, and injury and sickness and all the things that happen in our messy, messy, messy bodies. I, Yeah, I don't know, man. It's gonna be, it's gonna be pretty wild when Bingo says eye tracking and then training everybody to wiggle their ears from a young age. Ear wiggle. It could be a great click method for smart glasses. Ear wiggles. Yeah. Dragontamer says the neuralink input guy has talked about not missing in games he doesn't miss. I mean, look, I, I, I'd be, I'd be excited for neural inputs to get super good and super affordable. I just, I don't know, dude. It's gonna be, I have a hard time imagine it being relaxing. Maybe that's, maybe that's what I'm getting kind of.

[Linus Sebastian]

So give us, so give us the, Just a little bit. Just give us a little bit. Give us like 600ish years. We'll figure it out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The printing press was like, pretty cool today.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mind blowing. Like, like you wouldn't have conceived of the printing press as like a person who wasn't trying to invent it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe part of my problem is I'm just a little pessimistic right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's easy to be like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm glad you brought up the printing press because I don't know if you know this, but, like, Western literacy rates are falling at an alarming rate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right now. And so like, I'm sitting here going, okay, let's say we do figure this out. A device that we put on in the morning and it has like a, like a wireless, it has a wireless charging interface on one side and just uses our body heat for power so we don't have to worry about batteries. And then it has like a, like a close proximity high speed data link on the other side that interfaces with like a brain wiring thing that, you know, set up inside our mind or whatever. Yeah. So we, so we put on this thing or let's go even, let's go even further to the, to the hypothetical future. And let's say they're, they're contact lenses or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Talk about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So I, I do what I scroll generated slop videos that are literally created by tapping into my own subconscious mind to give me a drip feed of whatever it is that I most want to see and experience in the entire world. And I just sit there in my chair. Is this really, am I, am I getting, have I reached old man yells at cloud? This future doesn't look like the future. Can we stop now?

[Linus Sebastian]

That doesn't mean you're right about keyboards.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I Man, I don't think you're wrong, but you can definitely scroll with a neural interface.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. No, no, I don't. This is.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is what people want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, with the yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, oh, Lordy.

[Linus Sebastian]

The yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my brain hurts. Yeah, man. Can you imagine when they figure out how to tap into the part of your brain that lucid dreams and you can just press. You can just open up the lucid dream app on your freaking neural interface thing and you can just like, start lucid dreaming.

[Dan]

You can dream about holodeck dream about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's going to be the way to do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Arby's do it with brain drugs.

[Dan]

New new burger on available stores coming soon from.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even think they'll need just.

[Dan]

Inject advertisements right into your lucid dreams.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like. Like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you ever dreamt of a phone, Linus? Have you ever had a phone in one of your dreams? Have you heard about this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could just have. Have I ever had a phone in a dream?

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you heard about this idea? I haven't.

[Dan]

Yeah, I don't think I have.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have. Is really interesting. You're the first person I've ever asked that to that has said yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I had. I had a dream once that. That the office was like, invaded, and so I was using my phone to type, like, security code words and stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I just needed it. So it's. It's like. It's. It's very much the same reason that I have a phone in real life that I have a phone in my dream. Because I need to do stuff with it. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I wish it was a more interesting answer.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's interesting that it's. As a tool, though, so that. That might make a little bit more sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was not using it. I wasn't like, like, recreationally using it. I don't think I've ever dreamed of recreationally playing a video game. I don't think I've ever dreamed of.

[Linus Sebastian]

I absolutely have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Recreationally. Recreationally using my phone, for sure. No, dude, I can't wait until the apps on your fricking smart glasses are just things like lucid dream now and just like, dopamine hit now because it's all just gonna be. It's all just gonna be wired up and it's gonna give you, like, an electrical impulse in your brain and you can just be like. It's freaking. It's gonna be like opioid addiction on steroids and on opium. You'll just be like, Dopamine doping to dope. It Dope. And, like, faster than you can think it, you'll be able to just, like, hit the dopamine button. Dude, this is gonna be wild. And then they're gonna monetize it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Every WAN show. It's amazing how we reach a new level of. This is all just going to be dystopia. Blundetto says just press the nut button. They're going to make special underwear.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're gonna. We're gonna have man pads.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it'll just auto evacuate. All right. Should we do the CW announcement? Do you want me to do it? I can do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, just introducing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can do it. If you want to put up the screen cap.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or the screen. Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, I'm. I'm sad right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're good. I still don't see it in the collection, Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, God.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought you said it's there.

[Dan]

What do you mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

The thing.

[Dan]

Good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea what they're talking about right now, so I'm just going to sit here and stall for time. I checked the global one, and it's there. I checked the US one, and it's not there.

[Dan]

That's what it says in the note.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you guys are talking about the desk pad.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't check the note. I didn't know it was only in one of them. Okay, I found it. We're good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Introducing the Glitch collection. We've got three new items launching on lttstore today, including the Glitch T shirt featuring a unique hem pattern at the bottom of the shirt. That's an. That's. That's a very boring description for. Basically, Lisa did a cool design that was sort of inspired by, like, a. Like a smashed broken LCD panel with the. Oh, like, with the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that is really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So it's supposed to be a little bit of smash broken panel, a little bit of, like, GPU memory artifacting. And it's. It's just meant to. To kind of, you know, inspire memories of. Pushed that overclock too hard or dropped my laptop, you know, I think it's awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's the, like, the me saying this is gonna immediately make it. Not that. So I'm sorry, but I think it's, like, kind of the swaggiest shirt we've released. I think it's, like, actually just raw. Cool. It just looks cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like so many of our designs over the years, it's meant to Be like if, you know, you know, tech inspired but just genuinely cool and you can actually wear it.

[Linus Sebastian]

There is no logo, is there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's one inside the. Inside the back of the nape of the neck.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I mean, like, visible on the outside of the shirt.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I mean, we've, we've taken a pretty light branding approach for many years now. I think I can say multiple, multiple years now. And it's, it's always baffling to me when people say, I love the LTT store stuff, but there's just too much branding on it. It's like, bro, you got no idea what branding looks like. We're pretty, we take a pretty light touch when it comes to branding. I don't think this one has a logo on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it looks really cool, though. We also have a lenticular pin that changes depending on where you view it from as part of the glitch collection. And we've got this design on a brand new desk pad. The desk pad is on the global site now, so that's Canada plus worldwide and will be available on the US site shortly. They just haven't arrived at our US warehouse yet. So if you're from the US and you want to purchase a glitch desk pad, maybe hold off on your purchase until they are available. Shop now at LMG GG Glitch. I actually kind of wonder if this is one of those cases where we should have just set up back orders. I didn't. I haven't been in town, so I didn't really have a chance to talk to the team about it. In general, I'm very opposed to pre orders and back orders, but if it's something where it's just like, yeah, the truck is like 10 blocks away, then maybe, I don't know. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

The trade situation with the US did literally just change. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is there another one?

[Linus Sebastian]

Another man?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I've been out of the loop. What is it now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Within the last, I think 24 hours, Trump said trade talks are off with Canada.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why? Why this time?

[Linus Sebastian]

He's, he's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it the fentanyl saying?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, he's saying it's because an advertisement that was being ran inside of Canada by some level of government saying that tariffs are bad. But a lot of the speculation that I'm seeing is that it's actually because Canada is in trade talks with China right now about strengthening our trade relations.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, we should keep doing that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Merch messages. You want to explain it and I'll try to Be the guide or I can. I just thought it would be funny to do it this way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you guys, if you guys want to interact with the show, we don't want you to just throw money at the screen because we think that when you throw money at your screen, you should get, get quality merchandise in return instead of just an acknowledgment from a streamer or whatever. I actually thought, oh, crap, I'm gonna get it wrong. It was, it was one of the, it was one of the like, like no life react to everything streamers. I can't remember which one, but someone, someone recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was one of them. I'm, I'm so.

[Linus Sebastian]

What did he do? You know what, what did they do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Basically they were like, hey, yeah, don't donate to me. I'm rich enough. And I thought that was super cool. Was that moist?

[Linus Sebastian]

Didn't that happen a while ago?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think he's done it multiple times. Yeah, apparently it was moist, critical. Yeah. Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty sure he's done that before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was recently regarding the whole YouTube members only content thing, when we turned off our members only content. Anyway, the point is, yeah, he was, he was like, yeah, don't, don't donate to me. You shouldn't be donating to me. We have felt that way for a very, very, very long time, which is why we created merch messages. So instead of, instead of donating, you should just like, get high quality merchandise if you want to support the show. Obviously that's not as profitable for us as just taking your money, but we take pride in what the creator warehouse team creates, like the glitch desk pad that you guys are looking at right there. And we think that we make quality products that last a long time, and we think it's just a way cooler, healthier way for us to, to, to grow and to support our team and also for you guys to get great, high quality products. So all you got to do to send a merch message to interact with the show is add something to your cart on lttstore.com when we're live, you're going to see a little box that's going to give you an opportunity to fill out your merch message. That'll go to producer Dan. Hey, there he is. You can pick your color for your merch message. You can anonymize your name, or you can have your name show up, and then Dan will either pop it up on the screen with like a little acknowledgement. You could be like, hey, what's up, mom? How you doing, Jerry? Or you can ask a question, and if your question is something that Dan can answer, or even if it's something that he can't, he might just, you know, reply to you and say something irrelevant. Or he might answer it, or he might forward it to someone who can get back to you. Or he might curate it and then it'll go to me and Luke and we will talk about your merch message.

[Dan]

That's right. We've got a few in already. We've got a couple here. Oh, also, if you allow your email to be shared, then I can also send you over to support if you have something that might be relevant for our team to follow up with. Got one here from Jonathan. Hey, dlo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, not Luke and I. Sorry, hold on. We're having an argument about grammar.

[Dan]

Oh, I love semantics.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The way to tell if it's Luke and I or me and Luke is which one of those words would have applied properly to you?

[Linus Sebastian]

So if you remove the other party.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sentence because I went to the store, Dan is really mean to me and Luke, because Dan is really mean to me. It's that easy. And nobody knows that. Which is, like, crazy because, like, when I was in school, nobody ever explained that to me. I had to figure that out on my own. I was like, how do I figure out these rules? And I like. I kind of, like, came up with that. And then I looked it up and it was like, that's totally a thing. But no teacher ever explained that to me, which drove me crazy. So knowing how easy it is, it drives me even more nuts when people do it wrong. Because it's actually that easy. Isn't that crazy? Anyway, sorry, Dan, Go ahead, chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Trying to grammar Nazi. The grammar Nazi is. Is a.

[Dan]

Is a battle to behold me Fail English. That's impossible. Hey, D. Love the show. Question for Linus. How is the LTT bit case coming along?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, good. Yeah, I've got one with me right now. Oh, I am tethered.

[Linus Sebastian]

But, I mean, they've seen it on the show before.

[Dan]

You have showed it off a couple times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Not everyone has. You assume everyone watches every video.

[Linus Sebastian]

They do. Every single person does. Every Wednesday viewer comes back every week because the ones that I interact with are flow, plane, chat, and a lot of them, actually.

[Dan]

Do you mean to tell me people don't watch every week?

[Linus Sebastian]

Disgusting. What is it? He's just. We've seen it, like, so many times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I want to show people my travel loadout.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, cool. Okay. That's kind of neat. All right. That adds a spin to it.

[Dan]

Now he's okay with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is my, this is my way of carrying everything that I need when I'm traveling without having anything that looks too suspicious. So in my, in one bag, because I'll usually have my, my roller bag, my like my carry on size roller bag. And then I'll have a personal item, I'll have a backpack. So in one bag I will keep my stubby screwdriver. So this is well under the limit of every customs and security authority that I have ever encountered.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I figured out where you're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Going with this in there. Okay, then I'll carry my, my LTT bit case. I lost one, so CW made me a new one that has my name printed on it. Thank you, CW Appreciate you. I think that was probably Tynan. And then I've got all the bits that I will generally need in there that are not part of like the standard bit set. So I got my torques, I've got my Imperial hex, my metric hex, and then I have a couple specialty ones. This is kind of my, my loadout for this. So I keep those together. And then separately in my other bag I will keep a shaft extension. So then I can convert my stubby screwdriver into. So you can still use the knurling and everything. And then I've got my bit set. Because I could see getting a precision set taken just because it's so obviously extremely sharp and pointy and like it. It just looks really weird in the scanner. But this and this alone without the shaft extension is just like. Yeah, it's a little, it's a short tool which you're allowed to have. And then the shaft extension on its own is nothing. It's just a metal. It's a metal.

[Linus Sebastian]

The second you were like, I put the stubby in this bag, I was like, I know exactly what he's doing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So this is, this is travel kit.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that I can. Yeah. IX and Darix says I had an iFixit screwdriver taken in Sydney. That doesn't surprise me at all. Whereas this, and to be clear, this is not advice. I'm not. This is not advice. If you take your stubby screwdriver and all, if all your stuff gets taken, I'm not liable, I'm not responsible.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's always kind of up to them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have not had trouble with this in the past, but you never know when you're going to run into a TSA agent who's having a Bad day or whatever. And at the end of the day, it's. It's their judgment call. So I've had good luck with it. But your mileage may vary. I forget what the question was. Did I answer it?

[Dan]

Bit. When, When. When arriving. Bitcase.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh. Oh, oh. Okay. Why don't you move on to the next one while I look that up then?

[Dan]

Okay, sure. How are you gentlemen? It's not a question, just got exclamation points. Don't answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I lost our. Belong to us.

[Dan]

I lost a bunch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No way to survive. Make your time.

[Dan]

I can't handle this, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no, you have no chance to survive. Damn.

[Dan]

Oh, nearly. I lost a bunch of weight this year and I'm reloading on newer, smaller shirts. Are any of you working on any long term personal goals right now? And if so, how are those going?

[Linus Sebastian]

My house not being a mess. That's the only thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, Dan. Nope, nope. We're not able to talk about that yet.

[Dan]

I didn't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is not nearly as important as this. Dan, you need to show this to the stream.

[Dan]

I will ask no questions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is tremendously important.

[Dan]

Give me one second. Come on, come on. There we go. Okay, is everybody ready?

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke, are you ready? I hope so. I don't know, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sir Ability Touchen has already been created by the illustrious Sarah Butt.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, he's so cute.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apparently she was watching.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

How is this possible? It's so adorable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Her. Her message to me simply says, hold on, let me see if I can find this. Yeah, here we go. I don't know why, but he feels like he needs a top hat.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's awesome.

[Dan]

There we go. Be our friend for the show.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I'm sorry, Dan, you were saying?

[Dan]

You doing any long term goals?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, right. Sorry. Yes, Luke, I'd love to hear your long term goals.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, just my house not being screwed up. I haven't been doing like anything else. I've been going to work and working on that. So I don't know. And then once, I don't know, for the first half of November, I'm just gone again. So like, I've been out of the gym for a long time, but I've been doing physical things. I've been working on the house. So like, I don't know, I feel mostly okay. But I'll get back on the wagon once my house is not completely screwed. And I am in the country. Those things are decently important. Sometimes I do work out on the road, but it's kind of Hard to find. Some gyms are really expensive for drop in and usually I'm really busy with whatever reason I'm on the road for. So.

[Dan]

Yeah, I can't remember if Linus answered.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, he did not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't. I actually have a doc. This is my. This is my like everything from my ADD brain dump doc. It's like 17 pages of just wall of text of like random business ideas I've had over the years. Sometimes it's just like, like a line that I'm like, that'd be funny. That would be funny. Like I. I think I've seen this a few times. Do I still. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I have a section called Script ideas that I never really like ended up using it. Using. But I had these. I have these two funny things that I never remember because I never really use it. I only remember it when I'm not actually writing. But I had these. I have these two ideas in here. So I have this one trying to do something by scowling at it and then scowling at it harder with like, with like a hat on or something. I don't know. But it'd be funny. Like, like basically. Okay, look, it's a. It's a. It's only partially baked. Okay. The point is that like it sounds like a. Yeah, right. Like I was trying to. I was trying to get my. I was trying to get my. My iPhone transfer wizard to work properly. Apple wasn't helpful. So I tried like scowling at it. That didn't work. So I scowled at it harder and unfortunately that didn't work either. So all my messages are still on my Android phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is it? How I would integrate.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's his. What's the toucan's name? Linus.

[Dan]

I've lost the ability. His.

[Luke Lafreniere]

His. Yeah, yeah. Ability Toucan ability. But I think with his distinguished top hat, he needs to be sir ability Toucan.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sir Ability Toucan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And whenever I can't anymore there I lose him.

[Dan]

Now he's on the hand.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's. Yeah, he's on your hand. I like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Sir ability to Can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you have any other examples from your doc?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's your oldest video idea in your doc?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so. Oldest video idea. Hold on, hold on. I got another. I got another joke. I got another joke idea. I need to joke about how like some color. Like, like it's like an RGB joke. Like a joke about how this, this color needs more R and more B to be the right color. Like, I'm playing around with, like, a slider, and then like, R B music starts playing. Or like, I take away all the G and then just, like, music turns on. Like, just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, if you take away. If it's rap music and you take a while the G and it stops being rap music. I actually kind of like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So. I don't know, man. Like, it's just like. It's my doc of things that I just write.

[Dan]

I already dinged it, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, he dinged it. He dinged it. So I do. I do. Oh, so you want an old video idea. Okay. No, the video idea doc is a different doc, I think. Oh, I might have purged it. Oh, no, no, I still have it. Oh, dude. I still have it. Oh, my God. This is a terrible idea. Here's the Luke. Here's the Luke section of video ideas.

[Linus Sebastian]

I knew I had seen this doc. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is old.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Pizza Warmer PC Part 2 is in here. So I can delete that. We've done that now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's get rid of that. And then I've got 771 to 775 sticker conversion. So that idea is obviously old enough that wanting to use an LGA775 processor was valid. Ultimate gamer PC with a PS4, Xbox One and a Wii U inside. We've done it. Now delete that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. We've actually, like, done some of this stuff. Here's one. That is a terrible idea. Fireplace mod. Put a TV in an old fireplace with speakers and play the LTT Yule log video. Why would we do that? Why would I even write that down?

[Dan]

That's an entire video.

[Linus Sebastian]

That sounds like a me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's the whole video idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it sounds cool. I like that.

[Dan]

It sounds like it'd be easy to shoot too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What computer out of 1 inch blocks? What does that even mean?

[Dan]

Is that the whole title?

[Linus Sebastian]

One Inch Blocks?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't know what that means. I have one that says ready for VR. I have like six Rs. Is bull spit. Remember that VR Ready badge?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay, so that was a very timely thing as well. That's gone now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Imac mod. This just says imac mod. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, that makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Balls to the wall Web server.

[Linus Sebastian]

I bet you that was probably. We were trying to get something for flow plane. That's my guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, probably.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a link to my inbox. So I'm clicking and I think it's pulling this off of tape balls to the wall web server. I don't know what. I don't know what any of this is. Okay, forget it. This is garbage. Some of this we could still do. Full screen versus borderless window input leg slash FPS. That was from a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Still not a bad idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's still not a bad idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, because you know what we could do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Filters affect airflow. That's another good one from Alex91cy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you know about the latency introducer box thing that Labs has?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do, I do.

[Linus Sebastian]

What if we figured out. I don't think we've talked about that yet. Input lag gap between windowed and borderless. And then forced the windowed one. Sorry. Forced the. Yeah, windowed mode on borderless. Figured out that gap and then forced it with the input box and then tried to see if people could tell. Can you tell the difference between windowed mode and borderless?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I can tell you the answer to that already. I don't think people will be.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot of people think they can though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting. Well, okay, but. But part of why a lot of people think they can might be because the implementation on some games was really bad. Like I think it was CS Go that if you were in Borderless and then you alt tabbed and went back in the game, it was trash. And we found this out because we were doing something and it was a problem for us because normally you wouldn't alt tab out of your full screen video game and then go back into it. But like that's fixed now. So I don't know. There might be some games where it's still a problem, but I sincerely doubt that it's most of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, keep going. What else we got?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Dan]

More.

[Linus Sebastian]

More video ideas from him. Not topics for you, Dan.

[Dan]

Oh, we're very.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, sure. Oh, dude. The USB C versus Micro B durability test is under James. We made that video. That was one of the first videos he worked on. So the last time I used my to do list for your guys's video ideas was probably when I did that wave of hiring when we hired Emily, James and Alex.

[Linus Sebastian]

That makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We actually did some of the Alex ones too. Ultimate air cooled PC giant industrial fan thing. We did it. Actual single slot mod with hacked off stock cooler and rear mounted 120millimeter fan. We did that too. That's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Make a heat sink for like $10 with a hacksaw and a chunk of metal bench against a stock cooler. We did that. Too. Yeah. So unlike Luke. Alex actually, like, did all the work that was assigned to him before he wasn't working here anymore. I guess he's still got time, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did a ton of it. There's things we removed off the dock because they were done. My goodness.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because I know someone else did it. Jordan did your pizza warming PC.

[Linus Sebastian]

I could have done that if you wanted. I'll do version three and I'll make it worse. Yeah, I was gonna say I DX12 and Vulcan was on that dock, I'm pretty sure. And it just got done, so it was removed off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no, that was on a different dock. We had a. We. I. We created a different doc later. This one's older. Oh, okay. So. Right, right, right. I remember how we got on this subject. I was supposed to talk about goals, so this is where I put goals. So one of my goals is to fix my calendars. My calendars are a mess. I have, like a billion calendars. And then. Do you remember that sponsored video we did on that? That, like, conference room booking tablet thing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does anyone remember this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So some of. As part of that video, one of my calendars got exposed publicly. And so for years, I had just, like, spam events that would pop up on my phone because the calendar was, like, bound to a work account that was shared to my other account. And then my personal account was. I could. I. It took me a while to figure out, like, how they were all intertwined and they're still kind of messed up. My calendar. My calendars are kind of a mess, so I need to fix my calendars.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why don't you just. You have a person for this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am probably the worst at using an assistant.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, that is exactly what I was about to say. Because if it's really easy, I might as well do it. And if it's hard, I need to do it. So I just end up in a. My flowchart is like, no matter what, screw it, I'll just do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To be clear, that's. This is not a knock against Vance. Vance is awesome. He. He actually does a lot for me, but just not that like. Like travel, for instance. Like, Vance checks me into all my flights.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, he's getting fast. So, like, not the check.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So he has. Oh, like, bookings and stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we. We worked through something this week, and it was. That might be why.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But. But yeah, like. Like, he. He. He definitely, like, helps me with. With very useful stuff or just like, if I'm. If I'M like, oh, crap, I need to follow up on that. I'll be like, vance, can you follow up on that? He'll. He'll get it. He'll get it. He'll get it going for me. So, yeah, like, it's great. But no, I'm. I'm not good at delegating. Oh, I have fixed my kids password managers. I need to do that. My kids still don't have password managers and they're like making their way into their teens at this point. And it is becoming a problem, especially because one of my kids has a password manager. So we've been really inconsistent about where the other kids passwords go. Sometimes they're in my password manager, sometimes they're in Yvonne's, and sometimes they're in my eldest. And there's no consistency there. So we need to kind of deal with all that. And we're not even all using the same password manager, so just sharing folders is not straightforward either.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have the thing now though, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, I know, but it's. That's what I'm telling you. It's on my list to deal with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fans could do that too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For my goals I have. Right. Counting computers, that's at the top of my goals. So that's supposed to be the follow up to the ABCs of gaming, which came out five years ago. So I haven't done that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not. Jesus says, you're truly the perfect example of a dude with adhd desperately in need of an assistant but utterly incapable of utilizing one. Yes. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Oh, I have. Have my eldest daughter drill something. We were at a family event and using a drill came up and she was like, I don't like drills. So that's something we need to get over. I decided very early on in parenting that no daughter of mine will not be able to throw a ball properly or be able to drill a hole in a wall properly and use basic tools. That's just not acceptable.

[Linus Sebastian]

We. I thought this might happen. We apparently used to just email each other. Like I found an email thread from 2014 where we're just. You're just like spamming emails. Like, you emailed me just the word free nas. The thread is. The thread is just called tasks. And then you just emailed me free NAS. So the first email is voiceover guide for DIY AAA node 804 case pfsense router guide, overclocking guide preparation. Fix up our cabling situation here by extension cords, wall mount, power bars, etc. And then you responded to that one just saying free nas. And then you responded to that one just saying WAN show set. And then you respond to that one saying calendar spot for ball pitch. And then I responded saying notes for myself. Find new ad partner for the forum. And no, I have no idea what calendar spot for ball pit means.

[Dan]

So this explains why I got an email from Linus with just a picture and four WAN show on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's just how you guys operate.

[Dan]

Yeah. All right. That makes so much more sense. Everybody gets a pass.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, email is just text messaging pretty much, except it's less likely to get lost. Oh, shoot. Osiris in the chat says, when is the bit case coming out? Linus? Yeah, I searched for CW in my. In my inbox and then I meant to actually click on any of the things that come up. Okay, this is from the weekly CW huddle. October 21st meeting. NPIs or new product introductions. Let's see, on 1024 we will be introducing the Glitch T shirt, Glitch Desk pad and Glitch pins. I guess you guys knew that already. Available now lttstore.com. okay, what else we got here? Thermochromic jacket, something something. Npi. December is apparently going to be the bit case, so. It is. It is. It is green in the finalized launch date thing. So I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it should come in December sometime. But nothing is launched until it is actually launched, as we know very well from our modnet. Okay, what are we supposed to be doing?

[Linus Sebastian]

I just. I found. That was really random. I found my will, which was apparently in my work email. I was trying to find tasks and. Yeah, that was. That was an interesting read. That's pretty old. Surprisingly still relevant. No? Why would I give you. How would I give you things? You don't need anything. Let me see. Just in case.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Will's not just about stuff stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Isn't it? It's about sharing Bird and minus. What is it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pugboy says? Okay, but do the birds get anything?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wait, actually you are in it. But it's not about stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But is it. Is it mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tell. Tell him I always hated him.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's not. It's not mean. Tell him I always hated him. Oh my God. You put me sober at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, I would laugh. I would actually think it's pretty funny. My whole life, I was resentful of everything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The whole relationship was toxic and I hated every moment of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like already been almost half my Life. That would be intense. Oh, my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would. Dude, I would. I. There's no way that even for a second I would believe it. So I would think it's pretty damn funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had a conversation with someone the other day. They. I'm not going to get into the reasons why. We were talking about, like, if I. Yeah, I can't. I won't talk about why. But I was like, if I got diagnosed with cancer, I would tell Linus on wan show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, what? That's so based.

[Dan]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't. This is not me doing that, by the way, but surprise, Linus. I was like, we. We've had this, like, thing forever that, like, if you died, we would monetize your, like, death in the funeral. It was supposed to be a joke, but I was like, yeah, I mean, I gotta tell him somehow.

[Dan]

Linus would probably be like, no, no, no. Save that for the show anyway, if.

[Linus Sebastian]

You tried not to. I'm so really poor. Save it for the show. Save it for the show. You just.

[Dan]

You just send you an email to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Him that just says death and nothing else. Coming soon. Subject. Death. Death. Question mark. Subject. Tasks. Oh, man.

[Dan]

Casket.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. Oh. Oh, it's great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. Okay. Anywho. Oh, dude. Oh, my God. Speaking of monetizing my death. Oh, go ahead. You go first.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the thing. The reason why. I'll just say it. I don't know if people are gonna like this or not. They might dislike it, but you know what? I am who I am in my will. And the person who wrote it for me made it very clear that there was no expectation that this could happen. They were not entirely comfortable with writing it in. But in my. There's a certain amount of funds that should be put aside to rent a boat and buy a smaller boat and go into international waters and then put me in a wooden boat and push me away and then shoot it with a flaming arrow. And that's how I want my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I'm probably the one person that you could imagine would even have any means. The means and the will to do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thanks, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I understand why I'm in there now. See, that's what I was saying. It's not just material stuff in the will. That's my point exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. So that. That is actually legitimately in my will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think that's legal.

[Linus Sebastian]

International waters. This is an important part. It has to be international waters.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would still have to. I would still have to obtain your human.

[Linus Sebastian]

There is issues There is issues getting my. Yeah. Remains offshore. That's why I was. You're gonna have to pay a captain a lot, I think, is the situation. Or you just have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I know a guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Or. Or you just have to buy the boat yourself.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I know. I think I could find a guy. I got.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got.

[Dan]

I got some.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where there's a will, there's a way.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wrote this.

[Dan]

You don't have to be dead if you want.

[Linus Sebastian]

This would have been. I think this would have been like, 20.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It'd be a lot easier to get him out there if he's not dead yet.

[Dan]

Well, he would be afterwards, but, you know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but that's. That's later.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unique username. You're gonna be a pain in the ass even when you're dead. The lawyer person literally said, effectively that they're like. You can't really expect people to, like, do this much work. Like, even if we figure out the legality problems, like, this is a lot of, like. Like, hoops to jump.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think what we could do. I think we could honor the spirit of the request. I think that we could get your ashes and then we could get, like. I think what we could do, and I. I think. I think you'd approve of this. I think you'd approve of this. I think we could get. Do you remember Slender Man? That, like, weird cloth dummy that we obtained many years ago? Or, like. Yeah, or we could use, you know, our skeleton, like, Steve. Like, we could use an iconic piece of LMG or something. Right? And then we could, like, put your ashes, like, in its heart or something like that. You know, we get them all like this on the thing. We get a little robot. No, I think you're picking up what I'm throwing down. I think you're picking up what I'm throwing down. So we put the ashes that are legally obtained. We get, like. We get some. Some iconic. We get some, like, man, if we could obtain, like, an Xbox 360 or OG Xbox, it'd have to be an OG Xbox. We get an OG Xbox, we get your PC, we get some, like. We get some. Some relics of Luke's life. Okay. Kind of like Egyptian. Egyptian.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is part of the plan. This is part of the plan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but not maybe your wives or whatever, you know?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And then we put them. We put them all on the boat, and then we do the arrow. Okay? It. Realistically, none of us are archers. It might take a few the plant.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't have the whole thing in here because it's my notes for it. But the plan is that if I was supposed to be all of the. So, like, if my. If, say, my dad and my brother.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are still, like, your brother, it's like a line.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a line of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I imagine we'd have to bring a lot of arrows because, like, probably any of us are archery whizzes, and. And, like, realistically, we can't just shoot right at it. That's not the way.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, you gotta.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have to arc.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have to arc.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so we'd have to. We have to arc it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this could, like, take a while. And then I would imagine that you'd want it to, like, as much as possible, like, be an event.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it would have to be like. Like, the. Like, the boat. There'd have to be, like, music. Like, we'd need, like, kind of Nordic music kind of thing. And, like, there. There should be food, and it should kind of culminate in this moment when we put you out to sea and we, like. And we. We arc the flaming arrows onto the boat and we watch it burn. Yeah.

[Dan]

Hell, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, am I. Am I kind of. Am I kind of picking up the right vibe here?

[Dan]

Here?

[Linus Sebastian]

That wasn't exactly what I was imagining, but it sounds fantastic, so. Hell, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. That's like. I think the, like, side details weren't honestly a lot of what I was trying to get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it's the spirit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's the spirit of the request. I think we could handle it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we could handle it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But I. Realistically, you're younger than me, so I. I'd ideally like for that to not happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

So far, I'm doing all right. But that is. Yeah, that is in there. Yeah. I insisted that it was important. They. They really didn't want to keep it in there, and I insisted that it was important.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're such a pain in the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm so. Dude, I. And the fact that I'm thinking about this now is good. This is why it's important to talk about this stuff. Right? Thinking about this now, when I can bounce ideas off of him and I can kind of read the body language and we can have a back and forth conversation. It's not an easy conversation, but it's good because if. If I was blindsided with this. Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, I do think you're right. At the same time, though, I think between, like, you and my brother and whoever else, I think you guys would have got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so, too. I just.

[Linus Sebastian]

I do. I do agree with what you're saying, though. I do agree with what you said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you heard of Daughter from California Syndrome? What I learned. I was yesterday, years old when I learned about daughter from California Syndrome.

[Dan]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's what it's called. Let me double check. Yeah, Daughter from California Syndrome. It has a Wikipedia page and everything, and it's a phrase used in the American medical profession. I'm just reading this off of Wikipedia to describe a hitherto disengaged relative who challenges the care of a dying elderly patient and assists and insists that the medical team pursue aggressive measures to prolong the patient's life. So basically, it's like how. It's the behavior of someone who's been uninvolved with adults, suddenly wants to be.

[Linus Sebastian]

Involved, but there's no real chance now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And this is the way that their brain, just like this is a switch that flips in their brain that they have to keep this person alive, and that's the way that they can show that they care. And we need to spend a ton of money and we need to be really aggressive. Aggressive with the medical professionals who are doing their best and kind of trying to tell you, look, palliative care is the way now. And, yeah, daughter from California syndrome. And so, you know, I've gone through a couple of family losses, you know, in my life, and it's. It's such a thing. It's so much of a thing, man. Yeah. KSU Wildcat in. In floatplane chat, says, literally, my sister, when my mom had been in hospice for over 18 months.

[Linus Sebastian]

Months.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly. And so it's, It's. And to be clear, I'm not, like, attacking these people for their behavior, because I. It's probably part of their grieving process.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, It.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It sucks for everyone else, and they need to not do that also. But, like, I. I understand that they're not in a great head space. Right. But, like, you never know who's going to show up and who's going to be in a. Not great headspace at the time of someone's passing. And when these instructions are not explicit and when they're not discussed ahead of time, then there's a lot more room for ambiguity. And. And it can. It can be really stressful. Like, it was. It was really. It was really stressful going through some of this stuff when my sister passed. My family's not. Not the Least fragmented family of all time. I mean, I think I've been pretty open that my parents split when I was. I don't even know if I was one yet. And there's been that. That was the beginning, not the end of that story. And so there was a lot of, you know, there was a lot of disagreement about, you know, what should be done. And it was. It was tough, man. It was really tough.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like I've been relatively fortunate in that regard, both with my brother, because I don't imagine it will be even sort of an issue between the two of us, and also the. The relatives that were closer to me that passed. There was no real. None of those complications. There were. There were some that I know of, but they weren't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you told me about some.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, they were.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That involved, like, creating a lot of work for especially your dad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was not cool. Yeah. Yeah. I know the thing. You're. I know the thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. My dad is surprisingly good at tanking stuff, so he was able to handle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's a de escalator.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. So, yeah, so he was able to handle that, which was. Which was good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That shouldn't have happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I agree. And I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think something people who are grieving forget is everyone else is grieving, too.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's, like, really not the time for fights.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I can understand, like, time to make it about yourself.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you, you know, you. You might be genuinely getting screwed over by someone who is just being a huge jerk. And, like, you might need to kind of defend yourself to a certain degree. But, like, man, it's crazy that this is, like, kind of a default. In most scenarios, like most conversations I've had with people about someone passing, there is a lot of disagreements and a lot of fights. It's just kind of sad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I think that's. I don't remember because it's been quite a while since I wrote it, but I think that was one of my motivations for my thing because it's so, like, crazy and grandiose that either you do it or I don't care, man. Just do whatever. And if you do it, then, like, sick. And whatever interpretation you have of that. Sick. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Memorable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should probably do sponsor spots at some point.

[Linus Sebastian]

We should do something. We've technically been on CW Merch messages for, like, a long time.

[Dan]

It's been, like, 30, 40 minutes on one merch message. So let's do sponsors. We might as well get through all four of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. The show is brought to you Today by Odoo. When you're running a business, it is all too easy to get tangled up. Oh, I couldn't see the thing. What am I looking at?

[Dan]

No, it's the jukehead right on his nipple. Oh, is my cable help?

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Dan]

Their apps are pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Dan]

Maybe. I mean your camera is supposed to work as well. I'm incompetent.

[Linus Sebastian]

Shut up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Dan]

Dan yes please.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

Good collab.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

Two more topics.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, maybe we should get through the the float plane thing thing too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, we should do some more topics.

[Linus Sebastian]

Android box manufacturer Soft Locks Devices sold below official minimum price Scummy Actions Android box manufacturer Superbox is locking consumer devices to get back at retailers If a retailer is delinquent in their debts really? Or sells a device below the official minimum price set by us, Superbox will soft lock consumers devices and instructs end users to contact the retailer as the fastest way to resolve the issue.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, this is some mafia level stuff here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Superbox advertising the set tops.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm so. I'm Superbox. Okay? I sell you 10 super boxes. You're a retailer, you're having a hard time moving them so you discount them. You sell your 10 super boxes. Okay? A bunch of our wan show viewers. Let's say here. I'm gonna name some currently pooping Ann M. White pone crackers, PK7 Crystal PC Master Raise, unique username David K. Booger Flinger and and Nippleless Cage.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay?

[Luke Lafreniere]

These are actual floatplane users. All of them. You guys truly are the float goats. So they all buy these boxes right? At a discount. I found out that you sold them at a discount. I soft lock their devices so they stop working and I tell them they've got to go back to you so you can compensate me for selling them at a discount. How flipping wild is that? Imagine. Imagine living in the brain of the person who is a big enough a hole to do this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Crazy, crazy Superbox advertising. What is a super box set tops as IPTV boxes. The brand doesn't appear to sell direct to consumer or advertise its MSRPs even or even authorized resources. Yeah, rough. So customers would be hard pressed to avoid suspiciously low prices as Superbox advises were they even aware it was a possibility. Unfortunately, the practice of setting a minimum advertised price or MAP or minimum resale price MRP of a price maintenance and and of price maintenance are all legal in the US and Canada. What is price maintenance Wild?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've actually never heard of price maintenance. I have heard of map.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've heard the other ones. I haven't heard of price maintenance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to click on this. Our link is from the Price maintenance.

[Linus Sebastian]

May occur when a supplier prevents a customer from selling a product below a minimum price. Okay. It may also occur when a supplier refuses to supply a customer or otherwise discriminates against them because of their low pricing policy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. It's illegal only in certain circumstances. However, the part where you brick the consumer's box almost certainly has to be illegal. However, these are essentially pirate streaming boxes as far as I can tell. So they're already operating in a completely nebulous legal area. And it shouldn't surprise you that that people who run sort of morally ambiguous businesses participate in morally ambiguous business practices. This just felt like the single most egregious case of you no longer own the products that you buy. That I had yet seen. It went kind of viral on the subreddit and. And I just couldn't believe it. I wanted to flag this. If you guys know anyone in your life who is considering a super box, make sure they know not to buy this. This is mind blowing to. To use my ability to use my device as leverage against the seller who sold it to me. What? Yeah, Lowland verse says the worst you've seen so far. I mean, I get. Honestly, I don't even know it. Would this be illegal? Hold on a second. Because if it's legal to just turn off the service of a device that you ordered for no reason whatsoever, like, is this any worse? Like, yeah, it's, it's. It's more insidious. Like, it's like worse in a sense, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

But.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But the outcome is the same. The device you paid for doesn't work anymore. Too far gone. Says put them in the flaming wood.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think this makes me more uncomfortable if the box wouldn't normally rely on a service, if that makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it does, though, because they're. They're probably running their own pirate streaming, which is probably a big part of why they don't have a reseller list and they don't have an msrp.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because they're just trying to stay as. As under the radar as.

[Linus Sebastian]

This was a really good idea if you wanted to stay under the radar.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Stupid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway. All right, we can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Moving on. OpenAI unveils its Chromium based Chat GPT web browser atlas as a tool for Vibe Lifing. The same week Microsoft launches Copilot mode in Edge and introduces Mico, the new Clippy. I would have been actually totally down for them to just bring Clippy back, not whatever Maiko is. Atlas chatgpt's thing looks and functions like a traditional web browser, but it adds ChatGPT functions and features throughout. Opening a new tab lets you either enter a URL or ask ChatGPT a question, which is just googling things these days. Browser Memory is an optional tool that tracks the pages and topics you've explored. So Atlas can suggest related content, help you revisit past research, and automate repetitive tasks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, it's recall.

[Linus Sebastian]

And now you're asking for it. Hey, let's go. Vibelifing. We believe we can start in the long run to have an amazing tool for Vibelifing will Ellsworth, the research lead for Agent Mode in Atlas, said during the live stream. So delegating all kinds of tasks, both in your personal and professional life to the agent in Atlas is apparently Vibelifing. Okay. Microsoft's Edge Copilot mode does really similar stuff to Atlas with copilot actions performing similar simple tasks for you. And the Journeys feature, remembering your past. Okay, so it's the same thing. Both browsers claim to. And they're both chromium. Hooray. Both browsers claim to care about your privacy. Cough. Cough. They definitely don't. And they need permissions to take actions on sensitive sites such as financial institutions. They probably actually don't want to do that because the liability. So they might actually care about that. Microsoft introduced Mico or Microsoft Copilot Miko.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay. Maybe it is Maiko. If it's Microsoft Copilot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I don't know anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who knows? I think it's probably whatever you want it to be. A new visual presence, slash mascot. It listens, reacts, and even changes colors to reflect your interactions. It's a mood sensing ring. Everybody's just comparing it to Clippy. Although I can't show you because they don't have access to the dock where apparently everybody's doing that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember when Cortana was supposed to be this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At least that was cool because it was like Xbox and Halo and like.

[Linus Sebastian]

If Cortana just didn't just like royally suck, it would have been all right. I didn't mind the general implementation of Cortana. I actually thought the idea was cool. It was just terrible at everything that it tried to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Charge nuclei 8300 says it was never cool. You take that back. The branding was cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

The branding was awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was cool that they paid the actual Cortana voice actress. That was cool. Yeah, the. The like, functionality of Cortana was not as interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

The functionality was the entire problem and it's not the functionality like they. They decided it would do the. The wrong things and I wanted to do other things. The things that it could theoretically do were often naturally kind of neat. It just couldn't do them very well. That was the problem. Clippy comes up if you click on Maiko too much from Satya.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you mean, Clippy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Imagine being aware enough that it's just Clippy and that people are kind of nostalgic for Clippy to do that, but not being aware enough to just make the mascot Clippy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, Maiko is so generic and boring too. Oh, no, oh, that sucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You should just be able to. I mean, I'm sure eventually you'll be able to buy skins.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Wow, this is such a. Okay, what am I supposed to click on here? Clicky comparisons. Okay, it's just Clippy. Okay, this is it. That's. That's myo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like our toucan better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Micah's just a blob. You can't offend anybody if it's not anything, I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't know. Those colors seem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Distinctly like they could be too human or maybe they'd seem like they're not human enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's true. That one looks like a sour peach. Yeah, I'm trying here, but, yeah, apparently, if you.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't even see what he's doing. I missed out making him spin along with him. Someone linked it, man. Somebody linked it. Turning into Clippy. Here we go. Here we go. Hold on. If you tap on it a bunch of times and come on there. Clippy, which immediately looks so much cooler.

[Dan]

Can we just have Clippy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can I just say that just instantaneously looks so much cooler.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unique username says. Oh, I've seen this rolled out to me. Definitely designed by committee, zero character. Oh, I'm sure that's been. That's been really. I shouldn't say eye opening, because I've noticed it before, but being in Japan and China recently, like, mascots are so much more of a thing here still. Remember when mascots were Everywhere? Remember when Mr. Clean was like, yeah, more than just a. A. A picture on the. The bottle. Actually, they might still use Mr. Clean.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I just steal your girl, man. They probably do do the. Chad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Every dude, everything has a mascot here, and I kind of love it. I love it. Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right. I did like that in Japan, too. I would say that's very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apparently, Mr. Clean is still in the commercials and his CGI now. I just haven't seen a TV commercial in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm not surprised. All right, what's this? Linus search picture from Linus for WAN show last week.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I think this is. This is probably safe to just screen. Oh, hold on, hold on.

[Dan]

Do you want me to double check and sanitize you?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. I need to see the. Okay, yeah, can you just cut out the.

[Linus Sebastian]

The search the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The. The start menu.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Part. Because this is. This is notes from the fab tour that I was. That I was recently on. So I got some cool cards for Y'. All.

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go. Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What I'm doing what I'm doing overseas.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, what the heck?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

[Dan]

There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't worry about it.

[Dan]

Don't uncrop it. I guess that looks safe to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't uncrop it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm going to share screen. It looks. It looks like it's been solved.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll tell the people what I'm doing here later.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Okay, there you go.

[Dan]

Just get rid of the two can virus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Replace. Replace the paint log.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Last week, remember I was talking about Windows Search being a giant piece of garbage and then I couldn't. I couldn't replicate it on stream.

[Linus Sebastian]

And this time you typed in PIN and it came up with paint. Dude, was there something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Changing my pin. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Changing my pin, which is what I was trying to do is the. The eighth result. The eighth result, Luke. Now I understand what they're trying.

[Linus Sebastian]

I see what they're trying to do. It's a typo thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The next time I did it, the next time I did it, after I clicked PIN and like after I clicked that eighth result and then I tried to replicate this again, it searched for pin. So it's using user behavior here. But this shouldn't be the default. This is almost a brand new Windows install because that's why I was trying to set up the pin. Because I inherited this machine from someone who was working on like labs testing for it or something like that. So like, like this is not based on user behavior because they wouldn't have been using paint or PIN P I N. And it didn't just like go here for a second and then, and then like flip over. You know how it'll do that sometimes where it's like it just hasn't caught up and it's changing. No, I typed P I N in search and it's like, do you mean paint? Do you mean Pinterest? Do you mean lots of slots casino games?

[Dan]

Even command prompt?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are you talking about? Cash Frenzy. What is that? Why are Cash Frenzy and lots of slots casino games above? Set up a pin.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why is anything from the store above a relatively close match from your apps or settings or files?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just saying it's crazy. And like, look at all the wasted space on the right. This gigantic paint icon in just a void of emptiness. If you want to have a bunch of ads, put it there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't put it anywhere. It's actually unacceptable anywhere.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's Fine, That's a completely valid take and I agree. But if you're going to have them. They clearly are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't put them in the search results. Put Cache Frenzy somewhere else. And yes, guys, I am aware of Open Shell. I'm aware, but I, I genuinely like to use Windows in its, in its stock form.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we're trying to correct the stock experience, which is the experience that the incredibly vast majority will have, which is the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That thing he's said. And we need to experience it in order to feel the righteous fury that we do right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, it's important to experience it in that way. It's also important that you as a power user, don't have to. That is cool. I appreciate that. That is awesome. But we need to not so that. Yeah, everything that he said. Okay. The bionic eye, we're kind of getting there. We could maybe do the floating announcements now. I think that'll be fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure, Whatever you want.

[Linus Sebastian]

All.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, was I gonna tease what I'm doing here?

[Linus Sebastian]

What are you doing there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What am I doing here? Do you know.

[Dan]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, like in the country. Yeah, I do. Yeah, go for it. Tease it. Yeah, do it. That isn't the full pin announcements, but just do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I. Oh, it's in. Float plane announcement.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is. Is. Isn't. Is not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. So I was in Japan for three days doing one of the coolest factory tours that I have ever done. This has been in the works for many months.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm pretty jelly and it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It will probably be in the works for more months yet. I. There's certain things that we shot that I am hoping are going to make their way through the approvals process. It. It got all the way to the coo, apparently, some of the stuff that we wanted to see, but we were in Kokia's cutting edge fab and we saw some stuff, we filmed some stuff. We are working on a video. They actually, they actually sponsored the video, so it is very much there. This is actually a little bit of like 4D chess here. Doing these factory tours in a sponsored capacity is actually a powerful motivator for the brands to open up more and find a way when it comes to disclosing all the stuff. Stuff I operate in exactly the same way that I would for a normal facility tour, except that I will have like, like I do, I'll have my chunks where we kind of, you know, suck off the brand a little bit to make sure we get some talking points in there. But in terms of the actual like body of the content, like I'll include stuff that I wouldn't normally care about, you know, like founded in this year, like you guys don't care. You want to see a cutting edge fat, you know what I'm saying? But I, I, but I worked that in, I go found it in this year, whatever. Right. Because that's how you get, that's how you get into these places. You just gotta, you gotta get on your knees a little bit. That's all I'm saying. And guys, it was absolutely flipping incredible. Like have you ever seen Luke, like, I think fundamentally you understand the concept of like die stacking, right? Okay, but have you ever actually seen them?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stacked and wired together?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you even know that they use wire?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, because the second you said wired together I was like, hmm, I see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I assumed that it'd be like some kind of through silicon something, but no, no, the, the dies are manufactured and then they're stacked in a staircase structure so that one edge is exposed on all of them and then they are wired down to the substrate individually. It blew my flipping mind. Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's pretty wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It blew my flipping mind. Yeah, like I just, yeah. Wire bonding. Thank you, Battler gun. I had just never thought about it fundamentally understood the concept of die stacking.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But never really like never looked at a, at a microscope picture of it. Never looked at the machinery that does it. The, the gold wire was so thin that you could barely see it hanging down. Dude, wire bonding is flipping wild. Anyway, so, so making these sponsored is a great way to get the brand just as invested as I am in getting the video over the line. Like we went through this with, with intel back in the day where there, there was like what, a three month, two month, three month gap between me doing the tour quite a while and us releasing the video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

As it made its way through all the approvals and all the, the challeng go on with showing some of the most secretive and secure facilities on earth. Right. And so I have no doubt and it's nothing against intel, it's nothing against kioxia. These are, these are big secrets and these are very important, you know, details that need to be worked out. So I have no doubt that it's going to take some time, but I also have no doubt that we are going to get this video out there for you guys and you're going to absolutely have your minds flipping blown. I'm so excited. And, and yeah, this is, this is the best system that We've kind of found, for doing these facility tours and getting everyone aligned on our goal of making the best possible, most comprehensive possible video. Because I'll like, I'll turn it around on the brand when I'm probably being too open right now, because if anyone watches this, they're going to recognize my straps. Right. But I'll like, I'll turn it around on the brand brand when we're working on approval to see something. I actually pulled this move yesterday with a different brand where they basically go, well, we can't show that. And I go, well, why am I here then? What did you pay me for? To, to show they're like, well, that's too cutting edge. That's too, that's too secret. And I'm basically like, right, but the whole point of this, like, let's go back to the brief, right? The whole point of this was you guys wanted to show off your cutting edge technology. So why are you taking the cuttingest edgest of it and you're telling me I can't shoot it in the. I can't put it in the video? This doesn't make any sense. We need to escalate this right now. Like, help me help you tell the story the best that, that you can. You're. You're smiling because you've probably heard me do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've done it myself too. But I distinctly remember because the, the first experiences of this for me, which it might have been for you, I'm not sure, was cherry. And then Sennheiser.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I remember always the same man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I remember learning that there and then having to reapply it over and over again because always the same. And like, I get where they're coming from, but they're wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I remember Sennheiser specifically didn't want us to show the failed bins for their driver.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

We were like, no, this shows that, like, you care that the product is gonna be good and work, so it's gonna show up appropriately. That matters and is gonna resonate with the audience. They're like, no, but it looks bad because we, like, didn't do it perfectly every time we're like that. No, that's not. Come on. That's not the point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I actually told that story yesterday.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I told that story a few days ago. I told that story a few days ago. I had to, I had to tell a different story yesterday. But it is the real stories based on our very real experiences.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And the thing that I always remind these brands is you guys booked us. You guys booked us based on the factory tours you saw. You wanted us to tell your story the way we tell the story, where we go in and we get into the grid, it. And we talk about the real processes that are involved in building your products. We help people appreciate the challenges that go into building these things, that go into creating the technology that we all love. You're. You brought me here. You paid good money for me to be here because you saw that. Well, guess what? When I made those videos, I went through all the same stuff that we're talking about right now. Now, that video wouldn't get made if I wasn't having the same battles then that. I'm having it with you right now. I need to film this step.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. It's literally every time, too. Like, it's. It's. It's quite literally every single time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And so I'm not singling anybody out, because I totally understand it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's everyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, this is. This is. It makes sense. Like, this is your business. This is your livelihood.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is. That's what you're protecting. Right. Like, the stakes are huge. I get it. It's like, don't do a factory tour.

[Linus Sebastian]

Watching someone jump off a diving board and do a really cool dive, and you're like, I want to do that. Then you get up to the diving board and you're like. And then Linus has to convince you to jump, and then it's fine. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then you do it. And then. And you know, the viewers love it. And. And at the end of the day, I mean, and this is one of the ones that I kind. I have to go through this one every time, too. Right. Is like. Especially when it comes to, like. Like, blurring logos on machinery is always a funny one to me because I'm like, brother, you know, that's. That's a. That's a widget matron. Right. The. The people on earth who even know what a widget matron, who have even heard of the company whose brand you're covering up, can recognize that machine from its profile and the positioning of the dials anyway. And the people who don't know what that brand is, are not going to build a competing semiconductor fab. So what are we even talking about here?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's. That wouldn't be necessarily applicable to, like. To, like, a semiconductor machine because there's a high level of, like, customized customization that goes on in them. But for certain things, things I I did have to have this conversation very recently around something that was more of like a piece of scientific equipment where it is an off the shelf thing and it's just like, well, it's a trade secret. Who makes that? I'm like, bro, in the scientific community where they know what these things are, they're. How many people even make those things for one thing? And then how hard would it be to go, okay, yeah, it's that one from the product catalog. You're not, you're not hiding anything from anybody, from anybody who would be able to do anything with the knowledge. You're hiding it from people who wouldn't be able to do anything with the knowledge that you would be arming them with by telling them the manufacturer of this, of this piece of scientific equipment. And, and, and, and like another funny one is like, you know, guys, people talk and, and it's not me, it's not me talking. The industry is so inbred. People move around between companies all the time. Like if you imagine for a second, and I'm going to use an example that like isn't a real one, so I'm not calling anybody out here. But like if you imagine for a second your special, you know, idea for a bracket to cable manage a 2 is like not in everybody else's fab that they're also keeping super secret from you. You got to be kidding yourself. Like, it's, I'm sorry. Like it's, it's the basic stuff like that, like the actual, the actual details, you know, the proprietary chemical mixtures and stuff like that. Totally understand. Yeah, don't tell me that. I don't even want to know that. I don't want to be armed with knowledge that could be so damaging to your business. Yeah, but some of the, some of the little details, like the way we position that warning label, it's like, bro, come on, man, you gotta be kidding me right now. And, and the funny thing is a lot of the time it's, it's not even on them. Like, it's not Kyoksia's fault. Some of the things that, you know, they need to get legal approval for sometimes it's their partners being. Yeah, it's their partners being totally irrational. It's like you're, you're not allowed to disclose that. We use a, you know, a hex head on our bolts to secure this piece of equipment to the.

[Linus Sebastian]

There were details and I'm, I'm not throwing them under the bus, like genuinely. I think they were just doing exactly what they needed to do on the intel tour. There was details that we were not allowed to share about the tour that we did because of the brand partners that they were working with. And then Lucas found videos from those brand partners on YouTube that had those details in them. We're just like, wait, what? Like, what are you talking about? Oh man. Oh, well. And it's just, you know, PR people are going to pr.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And it's easier to say no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I totally get that. It's. It's lower friction internally. Nobody ever got fired for saying no. You can't disclose that.

[Dan]

Right. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you know, we don't achieve anything that way. Right. And so, and I'm just. And so I just, I want to take a moment here after my ranting. Right. To appreciate the companies that try that, that try to open up the doors and give us this insight into what they're doing. Like, I'm hugely respectful even though it's pulling teeth every time. I have enormous respect for companies like Kyoshi and Intel and Cherry and anyone else that we kept of named and didn't. Shame. We're not shaming them here for trying to do this in the best way that they possibly can. It's super cool and it's something that otherwise just small hands full of people on earth would ever get a chance to see and experience. And you know, as someone who just believes in the sharing of knowledge and education, I appreciate that they are. They're trying to do better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I. It's super cool and I'm really excited for you guys to see that facility tour. I was, I was blown away by yesterday. So yesterday was hisense when I, when we got the invite and I was like, okay, but like, is it like a panel fab. Do you guys do your own like panel technology? And they're like, no, it's not panels, it's just like the, the TV itself. I was like, is that going to be that interesting? Luke, don't miss this video Hisense factory tour. There were a couple things that unfortunately, no matter how hard I pushed, I wasn't able to get them to show you. And one of them is not going to sound that cool. It basically it's like in real time, a computer animation with like kind of transparency and stuff of the entire production line. I'm allowed to describe it, but I wasn't allowed to shoot it. That shows all the machines, all the automations on this over 70% automated factory line that takes the TV from constituent parts, from the screws and, and cables. And panel and back housing and glue, like all of all the constituent parts and assembles them, had them all operating in real time with various efficiencies and operational telemetric data so that they can proactively perform maintenance. So cool. And that kind of like factory automation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Toolkit stuff is not the sort of thing that I would necessarily expect someone who's more just like nuts and bolts hardware to care about about, but it was like mind blowing.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot of the kind of stuff that it's incredibly important to them because they have to keep margins down right up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And efficiency was such a major story. They had this machine that automated like a glue application step that they were boasting saved them 9% on glue. And I was like, right, it's gonna be a lot of operating.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At the volume you guys are operating at, even if it's a dollar worth of glue, that's 9 cents a unit. Just like that. Boom. That machine pays for itself. Dude. The level, the level of automation on this thing. Oh, PC Master Raise says, how the heck is an automated line profitable for a specific model of display play? You're gonna love this video, dude. It really puts in perspective the volume of consumer electronics that are being shipped. Because yes, the entire line that we are watching running the way that it is is one model of TV that's being produced right now. And. And the automation of it is absolutely incredible. Like, it wasn't that long ago that I was here in China, China, touring the OnePlus factory and them telling me, yeah, screws are still too hard, dude, Almost nothing is too hard now. Like it's 70% now, 71% now. And there were multiple steps that still had humans working on them that they were like, yeah. And we are in active development automating this as well. And not only does it save cost, but they're like, yeah, the quality is dramatically better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, like markedly better.

[Dan]

It.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. It's gonna be. It's gonna be a pretty. It's gonna be a pretty cool video. There was something else I was gonna say, but. Oh yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. Mew Mew actually nailed it. So we finally find out how TVs are getting cheaper. Yeah, like we're. You're gonna get to see how deep a company like Hisense is digging to find the savings to make TVs like the one of the only categories of consumer product right now that is seemingly inflation proof. Somehow you guys will get to see it and it will blow your flipping mind.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's, I'm, I'm genuinely quite excited. I love the like, man, I wish how it's made was still a thing and I know there's like some sort of derivatives, but there was, there was something pure about how it's made that was just so great. But I, I love seeing that type of stuff. I'm very into it.

[Dan]

Oh, I was using a LED factory kind of how it's made type thing. No music, no talking, as, as test audio for the today's show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh really?

[Dan]

There's like so much cool stuff on YouTube that's like even better than how it's made. And a lot of it comes out of these hyper automated factories. It's super awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe I just need to go find those.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's a different algorithm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One battle, speaking of automation that I had to have with hisense was showing the human steps. They didn't want to show the human steps. And I was like, bruh, no, we're showing the human steps because this video is, it's not how it's made the, the tm, but it's, it's how it's made. We want to, we can't, I can't walk into, I can't do the intro of this video, say it's 71% automated and then not show a single human.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm so much more interested if I see the human steps too because I, I know that the people there are heavily incentivized to automate things. So then, then I'm trying to think and go, okay, how would they automate this still remaining step? And why is it so difficult? Because if they're making a whole thing to save 9% of glue, then they clearly would love to, but it's, it's so difficult. So like it's, it's. That makes it so much more interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, PC Master Ray says didn't turn up for 71% of a TV. And that's exactly like, that's exactly the line that, that I'll, that I'll pull with these guys. It's like I wouldn't have flown here if you weren't going to show me the whole thing. You got to understand we're doing the whole thing and you just, you got to be, you got to be first term because at the end of the day it's, it's for their own good. But, but I understand, you know, I understand why it's so tough and it's just, it's part of the content creation Process, man. It's just part of. It's part of learning how to work together, learning how to move forward. And again, massive, massive credit to everyone we're working with on this trip. So we hit Kyoksia already. We hit Hisense already yesterday. And then we're going to Huawei in a couple of days. Days. And actually, Luke, you might be kind of into the lab that we're going to there. I was not 100% sold on it because I know that like health tech is not always what resonates the most with our audience. But dude, the health tech lab, they have. I don't even care if it gets like 300,000 views or whatever. I just wanted to see it. They have like an, like a, like an. They have like an in place swimming pool. They have a bike track apparently that like goes around their facility like they.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you get to do the tests?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't gone yet, but I'm gonna.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's so cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so I'm gonna actually like get hooked up, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Benchmarking Linus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Use the health lab that they use to like create the sensors for like smart wearables and stuff. Like it's gonna be. I'm really excited, dude. I'm so excited. Dude. It's going to be awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

In. I was going to make it in Soviet Russia. Joke. But yeah, in. In somewhere. Benchmark. Benchmarks you or something. I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, anyway. Exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can't wait. Okay. What were we supposed to be doing? Oh, hey. Whoa. If you want. If you don't want spoilers because you're. You're tivoing the game or whatever, then don't. Don't listen to me for the next five seconds. But hey, Jay's win game one. Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, hey, nice.

[Dan]

Yeah, I've actually got a merch message about that. Maybe we do that now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hello.

[Dan]

DLL game one of the World Series just started. Any baseball fans here? Also, this new T shirt design is incredible. Please continue with designs like this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. The last time I followed baseball for real, John Ollerud played for the Blue Jays And Ken Griffey Jr. Was like the league superstar. I have a peripheral interest in most major sports. Enough to kind of know who you know, the people are. I know the rules of baseball pretty well. I played baseball as a kid, but I haven't really like followed followed since the last time the Jays were contenders.

[Linus Sebastian]

There we are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's only team.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Canada is big bandwagoning right now. Most I know almost no Canadians that watch or care about baseball pretty much at all. Some people like, like Linus said, might know some of the players names and like we'll, we'll watch a game here or there if there's nothing else really on. And I'm sure people from like the local city care, but most of Canada is not that tuned in. Except for, for sure right now, like everybody is in, which is fun, whatever. Sometimes it's neat to jump on a bandwagon. It is what it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what? And I think it's, I think it's good. I think it's good for, I think it's good for the sport too because probably like think about it. They've been calling this the World Series for all this time time. And there's only one team that's not from, that's not from America. So I think it makes sense that you have to have a team from another country win it every once in a while. Otherwise you're just gonna have to change the name.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, no, you can't call it the World Series. They wouldn't have to win. They just need to compete.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I guess that's true. Well, for a long time they didn't compete and now they are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So no, I'm. No, it looks like fun. I gotta say. Baseball is probably my favorite sport to watch.

[Linus Sebastian]

Watch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe not favorite, but among. It's like very high. I don't like watching. I can't watch a baseball game. It's too long and there's too much downtime for me to, to like be focused on it. But highlights, I love baseball highlights. It's like one of my favorite sports to just binge highlights of because some.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of them are great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It feels like the athleticism like they're, they are because of the, the pay in baseball. Like oh man, what's his name? Shohei. Got like a $700 million contract or whatever it was. That's wild by the way. That guy just looks like if you genetically engineered like Chad Human. Yeah, wild. Anyway, the point is these are some of the best athletes in the world because the, the money's there, right? So if you are, if you are literally a world class athlete that could play any game you want, baseball would be. Be a super high candidate. But they spend most of the time standing or like sitting in a dugout. So when they do move, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's easy to look at a baseball game in progress where 95 of the players are literally not doing anything and go like, you know, this is boring. You Know any. Any fat white dude could do this.

[Linus Sebastian]

This.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, why. Why don't. Why. Why can't my uncle just. My uncle could have thrown a better pitch than that. You know, it's easy to. To couch. You know? What, What. What. What are they called? Just, like Couch Warrior or whatever. Right. But then the things they do. Damn incredible. Love it.

[Dan]

Love it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, speaking of loving the things that they do, let's do Armchair Quarterback.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Done. Let's do the full pain announcement. Dan, do you have the doc?

[Dan]

I do.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't understand this at all. I've read it, like, four times, and I think either AI did this or Sammy just derped.

[Dan]

But I believe you have to guess the prompt.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not me, though. Right? But then how is it a competition?

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If I can guess it, I win, and if I can't guess it, you win.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there's, like, points and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't know what we're.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whatever. Anyways, Riley and I, as in me directly, tried out the new Sora 2 app and discovered just AI content. And discovered just AI content affecting social media on Tuesday. The video is now out, but I thought we'd play a fun game with Linus. You're going to watch the video and guess the prompt. Dan will decide if you're close enough for the point. The winner, bragging rights, as in every competition. Dan, please play video one.

[Dan]

Okay, just a second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm trying to keep these lanes clear. Thank you. Yeah, I'm that guy stopping traffic, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S for a reason.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Our neighborhood's only public badminton courts are.

[Linus Sebastian]

About to get turned into a parking lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

These games build.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you think the prompt was?

[Luke Lafreniere]

To guess the prompt?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Okay. Protester, protester, Protester. At rally to Save our Communities. Badminton Courts get support from Mark Cuban.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will say. I mean, pretty.

[Dan]

Pretty close, actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean, I would give that to him.

[Dan]

I would also give that to him. Maybe you'll give him a ding.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will. I will also say, I think, like. Like, pretty much every time the person is named. I would still give that to you, but pretty much every time we tried to name the person. Oh, this time, I will say, it gave us a. Like, we can't recreate them. So I just referenced, like, effectively who they were so it could guess it pretty easily. But the person is supposed to be specific. You knew Mark Cuban. That one was male.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who was the. Okay, can I see the other one? I didn't notice the other one. Was a person. Was it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you play it again?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just a second.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to get. Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I'm that guy stopping traffic.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's for a reason.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Our neighborhood's only public badminton courts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I didn't think you would. Because that was supposed to be you. I originally typed Linus Sebastian, and then it was like, we can't do that. We can't recreate that person. So I said the main host from Linus Media Group, and it. It spat out that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so question for you. You. And we're going to go off topic a little bit here, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it's sort of on topic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because you have to opt in as an influencer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To have your.

[Linus Sebastian]

Your.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yourself. Should I opt in? No, no, no. I want to. I want to be clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I want the argument. Is that what you said?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I want to have the conversation. Because some people are. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. We have some of them in here. We. I won't name them. I almost just did. I mean, Mark Cuban is one the. Though. Yeah. And you kind of like get something like, if you notice, Dan, if you go to the end of that clip, if you can bring it back up and go to the. Go to like, the very end. Yeah, he got that included. So there's like a little addition. I. I don't know if it's. If it's a condition or. Or what.

[Dan]

Again, I couldn't pause it on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just a second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I'm that guy stopping traffic.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's for a reason. Our neighborhood's only.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Only public badminton courts are sora.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty quick turn into a parking lot. No, no, right there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's coming.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, right there. So that's part of his thing. And as far as my understanding goes, you can get like, a thing that comes along with your likeness. And that's his thing. Other people have other.

[Dan]

So you could do like, LTT Store maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I mean, we just got him protesting for badminton courts, so you might. You might. People could make you do things you don't necessarily want to do. Do you want to promote people doing that? Because, like, when we were doing this, I didn't actually intend for him to be in that at all. I accidentally fat fingered Mark Cuban. Yeah, I accidentally fat fingered his. There's like, tags above the input field, and I was trying to do something else, and I accidentally bumped it. And then when we watched the video and he was in it, we were like, what? And then we looked back at the prompt and we saw that he was tagged in it. So it's like it promotes you using these people that have given their likeness over to the app.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just, I think especially right now, until we get better things figured out over like the laws around likeness and stuff, it's better to just hold on to it for now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, see me, I feel like this is quite short sighted. I mean I'm not going to claim to have a better long term vision than Mark Cuban. He's obviously been, been very successful.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's, let's hear, let's finish watching some of these before you keep commenting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let me just finish with this one. But, but I feel like, I feel like right now the strongest argument that I could come up with for allowing it would be it's pretty obvious that it's still fake so it doesn't really matter.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't think anyone's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on. I'm, I'm gonna get there. Like I, I don't think it, I don't think anyone would actually think that, you know, Linus is promoting cat and dog breeding. You know, let's, let's, let's go with like an, you know, an end times thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The cats are mating with the dogs, you know. Yeah, like I, no one would actually think that. So, so maybe, maybe it doesn't matter. And all publicity is good public publicity. That's the best argument that I could think of. And then, and that coupled with, well, people are going to make it anyway. So I might as well. I might as well. I might as well have a hand in controlling my destiny. People are going to do this anyway.

[Linus Sebastian]

Store out there or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not even that. I just mean like, like I might as well. It's better to be complicit in your own being used then fighting it. And no, no, I'm not saying these are good arguments. I'm saying these are probably the best, I hear you devil's advocate arguments that I could come up with. But the problem is that both of them are kind of easy to.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's just encounter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's just relevance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think cultural relevance is the biggest argument.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you want your likeness to be on that scrollable thing right on top of the prompt all the time being relevant to everyone. And like the one of the Paul brothers or maybe both of them were there. Clearly Mr. Cuban, some other people, like there's, I think they're trying to stay in the zeitgeist. That being said, in my opinion, I don't it doesn't really feel like that many people are using the app. I noticed Sam Altman has 60,000 followers and a, a video, a Sora video that went omega viral on Twitter and ended up making someone over a grand in like Twitter prime money or whatever that is. Yeah, had like a few hundred likes on Sora. Like I don't think people actually care. It's just a garbage slop app that no one really uses. Just morbid curiosity and then they go away. But anyways, should we do number 2.

[Luke Lafreniere]

PC master rays here says. Yeah, but like imagine your brand being associated with some effed up AI video. And I, I, I, I feel like we're headed into, I feel like we're headed into a level of like disconnection from what we're seeing and assumption of things not being real.

[Linus Sebastian]

Absolutely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That I don't know if like brand association is even going to be a thing anymore. I don't think if, I don't know if it's going. If everyone assumes that everything's fake, Japan will care.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's going to go the way the keyboards.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'll go a lot faster than the keyboards.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, all right, let's do the second one. I'm sorry, I'm just, I just thought this was, I thought this was an interesting conversation. All right, so my hilarious Dan killed. Dan killed sir. It's right here. No, I mean, but I can't anymore, so he might have to go.

[Dan]

Oh, okay. He's dead.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ability to can is, is no more for the moment. Yeah, you can stay right there. Okay, give me the next one.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, yeah, apparently so people can volunteer their likeness and there are some creators on here if you want to look. But I fat fingered Mark Cuban, which was a fun accident. That's my little prompt there. And this one says Linus, if you get this right, that'd be amazing because it's not what you think. Okay, Sammy, are you, are you ready? Ready? Yeah. Play it. Let's see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so good. Perfect amount of sauce. Cheers to whoever made this.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will say I was pretty impressed at how good that one was. Actually. Not, not at, at doing what the prompt said, but just the, the video itself was like surprisingly good. I think they've really trained of Will Smith. Yeah, they've really trained on spaghetti.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, that was my guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Because like a kind of nerdy white guy compared to like a cool less white guy seems like the opposite of Will Smith.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who do you, who do you think the, the nerdy white guy is?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, can I see?

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you want to play it again?

[Dan]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. That slurp was unsettling. If you can mute the audio, that'd be great. Otherwise, it's.

[Dan]

Turn it up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why would you do that? Why would you. Why would you do that? Cheers to whoever.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not a real slur.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It looks like a cross. It looks like a cross between me and Austin Evans.

[Linus Sebastian]

Watch it again. Watch it again. Play it again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Play it again. Okay. Sorry, I. Okay. I actually need him to listen to it, but not the slurp. So can you crank just when he's talking?

[Dan]

Yeah, I can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just play the slip. I don't care. I'm over it. That's so good. Perfect amount of sauce. Cheers to whoever made this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So it's supposed to be my voice, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, what if I told you it's not supposed to be your voice, but everyone immediately flagged it as supposed to be your voice and just kind of done poorly, but it's not. It's also not supposed to be you. Who do you think it is?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone's name was put in, and your voice came out of it. Because I thought this was kind of fascinating. This blew my mind. It's another dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have. I have no way of guessing this.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the prompt was. Do I go for it?

[Dan]

Yeah, go for it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you think he got it? I don't. The prompt was. Was Luke lafrenier eating spaghetti, and my voice came out. Your voice came out. So I'll read the prompt because this was. This was my theory, but I'll read the prompt. The theory of why it sounded like Linus is every time. Every time I'm googling, you appear. Sammy, what did you write?

[Dan]

Every time Sammy Googles Luke, if you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Google me, you show up.

[Dan]

There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna do this right now. Clafreniere. I mean, sort of. The first four hits are your Twitter profile, your LinkedIn, your YouTube, and your Instagram.

[Linus Sebastian]

People also search for. You're always number one. The, like, second photo that I see is you and me fail fist bumping from forever ago. What? What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, my search does not find. I switched over to images, and it is literally. I got. Shoot. Okay, this is. This is. Is this Joel?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's. It's my Twitter, but it's Joel. Yeah, I know what picture you're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have Joel before I have you. My entire front page not only does not contain any pictures of me, but it doesn't even contain any Pictures of you and me.

[Linus Sebastian]

What the heck? That's weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not one. I'm gonna send. I'm gonna send this to you. I'm gonna send this to you right now. Because I feel like. I feel like I'm saying a thing that people are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Well, I. I've had this experience before where. When I. When I Google myself, for whatever reason, it's pretty common that. That you. Or, you know, Linus Media Group or LTT or something like that. Right. So I think it tried to grab whatever estimation it could have my voice, but it had so much more training of your voice that it just made your voice. And it doesn't have very good training of what I look like. So it's just generic white dude with a beard, and it just said it. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude. Even my second page only has me on it twice. And in both cases, I am with you. You. In one case, I have my head on your.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Like, we. We would be together. I don't. I don't mean it just comes up with just you.

[Dan]

So this is the first one you sent.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where's. Yeah, yeah. That Joel one comes up all the time for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a clean result.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is, actually. And mine was the same. I've done it before. Where. Where you definitely came up weird. Maybe something was going on at that time.

[Dan]

And then this is the second one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, we've got you and me. I think that's the Scrapyard wars fist bump or something over on the right there. I forget the context of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I forget I remember that photo, but I don't. I. I don't remember why. I think it was specifically something to do with Way and show, but I don't remember what for. That's. I mean, that's. That's a decade ago. So. So who knows? Okay. Prompt number three.

[Dan]

Are you ready?

[Linus Sebastian]

The. Sammy's writing says, final prompt, winner takes all. So focus up. Which is true. He had no idea of knowing. He had no way of knowing that would be true. But that is true because it's. It's tied so far. I guess so. Yeah. Dan, play it. Hey, that's my homework. You just ate it. So that's why I don't have the paper.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My laptop literally ate it last night. Your laptop ate it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I filmed it. Teeth and everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fucking A first. Okay, so I. Justine is involved.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have to try to guess the. Yeah. There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why Is the pig there? Okay, I want to see it one more time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I think I can preemptively explain. That's my homework. You just ate it. So that's why I don't have the paper.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My laptop literally ate it last night. Your laptop ate it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I filmed it. Teeth and everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the first actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I won't explain the pick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So obviously the. The prompt is going to involved involve the student explaining to their teacher that their laptop ate their homework. Their teacher is Ijustine. So. Okay. Okay. Student, students. Students laptop eats their homework. They.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't care.

[Dan]

I'm gonna give you the dopamine for that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean, I think he got it. Make a realistic depiction of a computer eating a student's. And then in brackets, Carter PCs homework. The student then needs to explain to their teacher. Ijustine. I think there was more text than that, but it just ends there. That's Carter PC. He's a shorts creator. You don't watch short stuff. All good. And then Ijustine, which you guessed makes sense. They both have their likeness in the app and it recreated both of them quite well. Just like it recreated Mark Cuban quite well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How did the pig figure into it?

[Linus Sebastian]

We're pretty sure that that is Ijustine's inclusion thing. Ah. You know how Mark Cuban had the, the link. We're pretty sure it's. It's her inclusion thing. I don't know what to call that, but I, I think she, she has one of those.

[Dan]

She does have a pig.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, she has a pig. And it's. It. And it only shows up when she's on screen. It doesn't show up when Carter's on screen. So it like, it, it, it's. It's probably that. That's what, that's what our speculation is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

We did more prompts. Some of them are hilarious. In. In my opinion. My favorite one isn't here. Two weeks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Three. I made all my. I made all my videos have a pig in them. Haha. Two weeks ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there you go. So that makes sense. I didn't, I didn't know that that was like officially true. I just. It made. Made a lot of sense. But yeah, we, we did a bunch of stuff. It was with Riley. I was hanging with Riley. We had a fun time. There's a 40 minute video of that on LMG GG floatplane. Go check out that. That out. It's fun. We make some fun videos. We crash out about the. The doom and gloom of the future. It's good stuff. And. Yeah. Thoughts if I'd like Vibe Coded. Yeah, I mentioned that the. The. The app felt Vibe coded because the app was just so junk. There's a lot of really bad user experience flows and other weird stuff that happen when you try to use it. It's. It's not a very good app.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How about some good AI news?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

YouTube's likeness detection tech.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Officially launched. They're rolling this out to eligible creators in the YouTube Partner Program. And the technology is designed to prevent people from having their likeness misused by identifying and managing AI generated content featuring the likeness of creators, such as their face and their voice. This process does require providing a photo ID and a brief selfie video. But with the tool, creators can view all detected videos and submit a removal request, or they can make a copyright request and they can opt out of using the technology at any time. And YouTube will stop scanning for videos 24 hours after they do. So it's not perfect, obviously, but I've got to give Google credit here for doing something. What is the agreement taken too long. It's taken too long. Like Mr. Beast Hawking, you know, penis enlargement pills has been happening for far too long with just AI generated slop videos of Jimmy and stuff like that. But this is. I. This is something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I. Oh, I was a big fan of this and then hearing you say it out loud raised some warning flags. You mentioned the process requires providing a photo ID and a brief selfie video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't really understand why they need that if you're a member of the partner program.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unless this is also giving them permission to use it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I don't know if YouTube specifically has given me reason to go that tinfoil hat.

[Linus Sebastian]

They haven't for me either. But again, why would they need. Might be easier to train off of. It might be a standard duration thing or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean we're working on a deep fake thing right now for a video that they. The labs team asked me like, even though there's obviously lots of training data for me, the labs team asked me to like do this and do this and like, it does make it easier.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And not every YouTuber is like me. Oh, I'm gonna do it 100. Yeah, yeah. No question. I mean it's. It's something.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Sora thing is like a hard obvious. No, in my opinion, this is a pretty obvious, yes. As long as there isn't anything super freaky in the. In the terms of service or whatever. Okay, cool. Thank you. YouTube Coffee Table Book of iconic phones, huh?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You gotta carry it from there. There are no notes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay, hold on, let me just bring up my notes. Okay, go. Phone arena reached out. Good Lord. A minute ago. When, when, when was this? Back in March. No, it must have been earlier than that. Hold on. Phone arena, check my emails. Wow. Was it really only that long ago? Okay, well, apparently it was only in March. Wow, they turned this around really fast. Anyway, Phone arena reached out because they wanted to do like, a table book of, like, iconic phone designs. They didn't really ask for much. They just asked like, you know, hey, oh, an October of 2024. So a year ago, they, they were like, hey, here's a brief outline of what we want to do. We want to tell the story of some of the most iconic phones, kind of recreate their impact. We have some amazing other creators on board. Do you have some time to chat? I basically said, yeah, I'm not like a huge design nerd, but I did use some of the phones that they had identified as, like, iconic, and I'd love to, I'd love to help, you know, in some way if I can. And they basically said, yeah, if you could kind of tell us the story of the phones you selected. They asked for just, like, short little quotes. It took me a really, really embarrassingly long time to get back to them. I feel really bad about that. Sorry, Yavor, my bad. But they reached out earlier this month to say, hey, pre orders for the book are supposed to be going live soon, and if you want like a commission link or anything like that, then we can do that. I basically said, I don't really, I don't really need the money that badly. So you guys can do, you can just kind of do your thing. But I will, but I'll be happy to promote it anyway. And so that's, that's what we're doing there. Let me just see if I can find the link. Where, where do I go? Sorry, I'm trying to figure it out because I want to actually, I want to actually find the link. Maybe it's just on the Phone arena website. Here, let's have a, a look. Iconic phones book news, maybe I'm going to try news. Oh, I really hope. Oh, here it is, here it is, here it is. Sign up to get updates and an early bird discount. I'll. I'll link it. I have no idea how much it costs. I don't know what all else is in it. It says it ships fall 2025, and it involves quotes and stories and insights from Austin Evans, Brandon Butch, John Rettinger, Linus, Tech Tips, Max Tech, Mr. Who's the Boss, Supersaf and Jerry Rigg. Everything, which I think. I don't know. It's a pretty cool little project. I just thought it was neat. So I wanted to provide what little contribution I could. Dan, if you don't mind copying the link into the other spots. That's it. That's pretty much all I have to say about that. Hopefully it's. Hopefully it's cool and you guys appreciate the kind of the photography and the little quotes and stuff. And it's a table book for people who like table books and also like phones.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of liking things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Yeah. Good segue. Love it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, nice. I wasn't sure if you were trying to say something or not. There's a massive delay. What if. Do you like Doritos, Linus?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do I like Doritos?

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you into Doritos?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably more than I should be.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you like to eat them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I try not to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which one is it? I can't tell. Do you like Doritos or guns? You clearly like one of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's wild, dude. I mean. Ah. Wow, man. What a terrifying experience that would be.

[Linus Sebastian]

To have because it's effectively getting swatted. So there. There's a chance that you get unalived because AI mistakes your favorite snack as a firearm. Fun fact. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, you never know when. And like, you never know when a trigger happy responding agent is gonna.

[Linus Sebastian]

Somebody's gonna figure out how to visually hijack AIs, visually trick them into thinking something's happening, and make this happen as a form of attack. I can pretty much guarantee it hasn't happened yet, but it will, I promise you. You. We don't have a lot of notes here. It's just rough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pugboy 13:21 asks the real question here in floatplane chat. Would nobody check the footage first before going in armed?

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, how much time do you have? Is this a school shooting? Do you want to spend time rewinding the tape and looking for stuff?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Willing Spy says, apparently it was more on the principal, pal. It was flagged by AI, turned away by the person in charge. The principal said, oh, no, call the cops. Oh, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a discussion question here with no sources, no topics, no talking points, etc. Should LMG become an ad agency?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, let's save that for later, all right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not talking about that. Xbox wants.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, fine. We can just. We can just do it. Now, Colton has discussed on multiple occasions farming out our biz team essentially to other creators. Do you think there's like a value in that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, I know multiple that would want to join. Turns out most people don't start making YouTube videos about things that they're extremely interested in, often autistically interested in, because they want to do business things and they would prefer those things are just handled for them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know, maybe we just should then, because like, I don't know, going through processes like, like factory tours, for instance. The perfect example of something that no conventional agency could possibly understand.

[Linus Sebastian]

But we have experience with all this kind of stuff. You mentioned not even that long ago that a, a different form of agency than the agency we would be making mentioned that we are really nice to work with because we like get it and have been doing it forever. There is a certain level of experience and expertise that we can bring to the table. Table. That some people need. Does everyone need it? No, that's fine. But there are people out there that would, that would love to work with us on this and why deny them? It's not like we have to force anyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So here's a question for you. Here's a question for you, and it's one that, I don't know if it has a cut and dried answer. We have a pretty hard stance, for instance, on gambling ads, right? So what if we're working with a creator that doesn't have a hard stance on gambling ads and that's their, that's their personal compass, right? Like I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm not, I'm not generally gonna give people a hard time if they need to, need to make money. And you know, that's, that's within their sort of bounds or whatever. I, I don't, I don't like it. But you know, in general, I'm not going to just like go on stream blasting other creators for working with better help or working with, you know, gambling or, or, or alcohol or whatever, right? Tobacco and alcohol, like all the stuff that we kind of have our lines on. Right. So if that creator, if, if a brand reaches out to work with a creator that we represent and they're a brand that works in a vertical that we choose not to be involved in. Let's go with something more, I shouldn't say more socially acceptable because gambling is perfectly socially acceptable at this point these days, big time. Like functionally, every adult that I know consumes alcohol in some form or another. So Long range.

[Linus Sebastian]

High five.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we, we. Yeah. I'm sorry, that's. I didn't mean we don't like you and me. I wasn't, I wasn't going for like a thing. I just meant like, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

But we don't generally advertise that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. We don't work with alcohol companies. Not, not generally. Like, we just don't. And, but like, I don't, I don't have like a moral objection to alcohol. Like, I don't care other people can drink alcohol. It's just not interesting to me. And so, you know, where's the line? Because we've made a decision as lmg not to profit from, you know, alcohol. Right. But if this agency, if we start up this agency, I don't think we'd be a very good agency if we started inserting our own values. If we put our own values in between a legal transaction between two other parties. I mean, this is something we've talked about extensively.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. With like MasterCard and Visa and all those guys, in my opinion, and I've said this on, on Wednesday like a bajillion times, to be honest, is, you know, there's that whole there's no ethical consumption under capitalism thing. There's also there are too many things to fight for. And like, I have my things that I will and won't do, which I think makes the world better, or I vote with my wallet in certain ways, but I don't necessarily expect other people to do the same. And I generally assume that they have their own versions of that which might be a little bit different than mine. So you say no to gambling, someone else might say no to animal products.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, I, I admit I love animals and I use animal products and eat animals without really even thinking about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So like, I will say, dude, I was, I was at the mall last night and they had had dog, they had puppies in cages and I was like, my heart was breaking. So I have my animal lines too. I, I'm so glad that that's illegal in Canada now. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, car.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like, what I'm saying is it's, it's. I don't think in, in. I deeply respect that we set our own lines and I expect that they would set their own lines. And in this case, I don't think it's our place really to decide where their lines are for them. That's, that's how I would personally try to approach it. There are potentially certain things that could be just hard no's. I don't know that I even want to discuss those right now, but there, there might be certain things where it's just like, that's just actually deplorable for anyone at a point, anytime time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, we've talked about, we've talked about like on float plane, for instance, you know, if they're, if we ever were approached by like an adult creator, for instance, we have firearms creators on float plane. And that's something that I know can be a very polarizing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Topic. And.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's because we're trying to be a platform. Right? Like it's a, it's a. Yeah, it's a different thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But, but I. Is it like. Hold on a second. Because if we are.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I'm not saying it's a different thing than the business thing. I, I'm saying it's kind of the same thing as business thing. I'm saying it's a, it's a different thing than us doing it ourselves. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Like it's. And we, you and I, when, when, when we talked about it, what we basically settled on is if it is legal in the jurisdictions of everyone involved, it's not our place place to, to make a, a moral judgment on the, the content of another content creator. And I, I think this is something that, you know, any normal company would never talk about this on a live stream. Like, that's the thing that I think a lot of people in the chat right now, and we're gonna get crap for it.

[Linus Sebastian]

We will get crap for this, I promise.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that if we did, if we decide, you know, to go forward with this, with, you know, this sort of agency work or whatever else, if we didn't talk about it today, you would never have noticed. Like, name a single advertising agency that Linus Media Group has ever worked with. You can't, because you don't know. You have no way of knowing, you know, that we've worked with Max Borges, for instance. You just would have no way of knowing that the agency has nothing to do with. Do with the, the finished product that you're ultimately going to see on your screen on, you know, some other creators video. Right. Like, it just doesn't work like that. I just thought it was a very interesting conversation. And it's something that, you know, I was chatting with Colton about. It's something that I've talked to Taran about. It's something that I wanted to talk to you about. And this kind of gives me an opportunity in a forum like this where people can kind of see the thought processes. And they can. They can get some insight into how, you know, how we operate as a business and how businesses and creators operate more broadly. So the agency would work with us and we would have our own lines. And it sounds like what you're saying is basically, you know, at the end of the day, what's legal is not up to the platform to decide, which is a position that we've advocated for publicly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Multiple times. And I really do see that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Put your money where your mouth is. A certain degree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see the. I see the game platform credit card processing arguments very similarly. But I will say that, like, here's a. The reason. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can I be edgy for a sec?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can be as edgy as you want. I mean, it's your. Your funeral, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

What if it's Viking funeral? Specifically what you have. You have children. What if it's a what if. You know. You know how there was like, man, what was that game?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it weird that I'd want to be the one that hits the boat? Like, I would be trying really hard.

[Linus Sebastian]

I suspect you all would be, which is like part of why it's so sad. Sick.

[Dan]

Anyways, sorry, sorry, I got off topic a little bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, it's nothing personal, man. Like, I don't, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, that's dope. That's. That's like the whole point. I. I don't even take that negatively. That's freaking sick. I didn't even think of taking that negatively, to be honest, until you said it's nothing personal. Okay, so remember Raid Shadow Legends was like an ad for freaking everyone all the time, everywhere, for years. Years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It might even still be. What if there was like a lolly game?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are they a thousand years old?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. They're like 10,000 year old space goddesses or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Might have to deal with this because.

[Linus Sebastian]

What I'm saying is there might still be lines, but they might be pretty far out there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like, where the hell do you draw this line? Like, the first thing people started talking about in floatplane chat is Genshin. Like, no, yeah, I would take an ad for Genshin Impact. Like, but are there absolutely scantily clad ladies that you have to justify as being a thousand years old? Probably. I actually don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are there. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've not played Genshin Impact.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's the first thing people said.

[Linus Sebastian]

Heard of it as. I haven't played it either, but I haven't heard of it as one of those types of Games. The scantily cladness. Yeah. But the them being looking like youngins. Oh, well, that one's not scantily clad, though. In the COVID art. I'm going to bring up the COVID art. In the COVID art, there are scantily clad ones, but this one's not scantily clad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Hold on here. Here's a Reddit thread. Dan, do you want to throw this up? Not scantily clad, fortunately. Which is the only reason that I'm willing to put this on stream. But definitely young.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But if they're like, who cares if they're not scantily clad? Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think maybe. I mean, I don't know what you do in the game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's all kinds of ways to sexualize.

[Linus Sebastian]

Romance in the game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've never played.

[Linus Sebastian]

Icky.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, definitely icky. Definitely legal. There's apparently no romance in the game. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Helps a little bit. It's not a negative.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's the question, though. Here's the question, though, because as soon as we start to make a judgment on Genshin, then we've drawn our line.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But as a platform, it's not about our line line.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's legals. Legal lines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Because as soon as you take a stance now it's a conversation every single time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. So I think you kind of have to say like, we are. We don't think this. You know, it. Let's assume the thing we're. Forget Genshin. Forget whatever else. Let's assume the thing that we're talking about is something that we strongly oppose. Did we. We could say let's just go with gambling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure, let's go with gambling.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we do that. Right. So we. We could say on our platforms and do often that we don't like gambling and we don't think it should be able to be promoted in the way that it is. At the very least.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I mean, time and place for everything. You and the boys want to have a poker night or whatever. Far be it from me to be involved in that. The fact that that would be illegal is wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

I agree. And I've said before that I actually, I really respect John Martin's form of gambling because he. He had the potential to go too far. So it bring a fixed amount of money and he would bring a fixed amount of money that could afford him. It would be equivalent of going to like dinner and a show. Right. Movie and dinner, and he'd get dinner there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's probably the. The healthiest relationship with gambling I've any person I'VE ever met.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw literally zero issue with it. And I'm traditionally a person who dislikes gambling because when I worked at the bread factory, dudes would get their checks, go blow the entire check and not be able to make room rent and be, be homeless when they made enough money to not be homeless because they'd blow it all at the casino, which was terrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Moderation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but. But there's a lot of people that can't moderate themselves when it comes to gambling. So that's where the problems are. And my main issues with it is how it's advertised and yada yada, yada, yada, yada. But we can talk about that on here and we could talk about how we don't like these other things, but when you are the. When we're making these decisions for other people, we are effectively deciding law for them. And I don't think that's our place.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, I'll take that perspective. I'll take the. I'll take the perspective.

[Linus Sebastian]

Chat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There were some really good comments from chat that I think some of them. Don't take this the wrong way, guys. I think some of them were a little unrealistic. This is, in this world is. It's, it's going to be pretty difficult for you to survive without interacting with any company that does things you disagree with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And is that just sort of a defeatist, crappy attitude? Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would bet like Hard Cash that you are doing that right now. And I don't even mean mean by talking to us. I mean the fact that this stream, if you're watching on Twitch, is part of Amazon. The stream, if you're watching on YouTube, is part of Google. Every. Both of those companies are partnered with like thousands and thousands of other companies like you. You can't, you can't necessarily get away from this stuff. It is, it is deeply intertwined. Do you have literally anything in your house from Nest? Honestly? Likely. Do you even know? Because there's all the, like, sub companies and all that kind of stuff.

[Dan]

I got caught with cat food. I didn't even know they made cat food.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would have had no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nestle, really? Yeah, you've told me about that. Yep.

[Dan]

Bonkers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

DJ Spark had a good, had a good comment though. You know, so long as it isn't illegal, we're willing to talk, but we won't force our staff to work with the company for you. So if no one on staff wants to touch it, you might have to look elsewhere for that particular production. I think that's A fair. A fair stance. You know.

[Linus Sebastian]

That sounds pretty good. I kind of like that. Yeah, I dig that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like I think. Yeah, I think there's ways that we can be. Be more cool about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

We have precedence for that. When we were talking we. At one point in time we were talking to an adult creator about joining Floatplane and they were. They were pretty close to joining. And I had a talk with all my staff at the time time and was like if you don't want to interact or deal with their content at all, we'll find a way to make sure that you don't have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How do we sequester that? How do we cloister this away?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And it was. It was like interesting news figured out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, go ahead.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's. That's it. Basically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. My pickup is in 15 minutes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoops.

[Linus Sebastian]

Should we blast merch messages?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should probably get through. Well, okay. The prima Rice size bionic eye implant looks really cool. Roughly 200, roughly 22 million people in the United States have age related macular degeneration which can affect your vision. The device is 2 millimeters square and can be placed beneath the retina during a two hour procedure. After a month of healing, it can be activated and wirelessly connects to a video camera mounted on augmented reality glasses that sends visual data to a tiny processor that uses AI to convert images to infrared patterns and can apparently significantly restore vision in more than 80% of 38 trial participants. Incredibly cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Incredible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wanted to highlight that. Absolutely. There's some good news. Tech and in other news. Xbox wants all your money. This is a follow up on the recent LTT video. Microsoft execs apparently have demanded 30% margin from the Xbox department. So that's 2x the industry average. Apparently dev kits just got a 33% price increase. The ROG Xbox Ally X apparently runs better with Linux or I don't know if it's the X or the non X, but whatever. And Halo's apparently coming to PS5. Good luck, Xbox. Wish you the best. It's been a great rip, brother. Let's try it. Do you want to hit me with a couple merch messages before I have to go? Don't do anything for me to like. I wonder if there's a way for me to like carry this around with me or something while I pack. Because I have not packed like oh, I intentionally tilted this up so like this place is kind of a disaster area right now. You can't really see like my mess over there.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can one hand, but I believe in you. You can one hand it.

[Dan]

Let's just. Let's just blast through some of these then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm a little tethered to things, you know.

[Dan]

Speaking of tethered, are the new cables going to be cat resistant and when's the messenger bag coming?

[Luke Lafreniere]

They will not be braided and from my experience that's the main issue.

[Dan]

Oh, that's going to be a huge thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cables.

[Dan]

Are you planning to use the GPD Win 5? Oh yeah. Messenger bag. Is that coming?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Messenger bag. I. Oh, are we working on a messenger bag right now? That's a good question for Matthew. Do you mind. Do you want to forward that to Matthew or is too. Is it too late to forward it if you've already curated it?

[Dan]

Yeah, it's probably a bit too late now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know there's people internally that are pushing hard for a Messenger style bag.

[Dan]

9:30. I will make sure that they're aware of that. Are you planning to use the GPD Win five, the new game console thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We have one.

[Dan]

We have one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm still. I'm still traveling with my ally. Actually got my OG ally right there with the upgraded battery. I haven't actually moved to the X I. Man, I'm really 5050 on the ergo. It's really great for certain situations but it's really not what I'm used to and I'm very comfortable on the Ally and I don't need the extra performance right now. I'm playing fine Final Fantasy Tactics. So like okay, whatever.

[Dan]

Good lead in Chronicles. How is Final Fantasy Tactics and are Luke and Dan gonna play it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, hold on. Win five. Yes. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get it. And yes, Luke should play it. Maybe not. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not for everyone I suspect. I would like it actually but it's very expensive right now. I'm waiting for a discount.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have a lot of queued games in front of it. So I'm in. I'm in. No need of a game right now. I can't even play. I haven't been able to play games in like two months. So like literally at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Literally wrecked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I'm a proud father of a. Yeah. And wrists. I'm a proud father of a one month old girl. What's the first video game you played with your firstborn? Linus. And have you heard of the Edison Motor? Now doing a hybrid big rig. Oh yeah, that was my phase.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a good idea.

[Dan]

Are they local?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, they're in bc.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I still want to do a video with them. We got to get that going.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

First game I played with my kids.

[Dan]

Doom Eternal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, definitely not that. The first one I remember playing with my firstborn. Like, not just him sitting in my lap while I play. The first one I remember playing with him was Towerfall.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's funny because that's the first one I remember playing with him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that was fun. That was a lot of fun playing with you guys.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What's up, Linus? You talked ages ago about making more tools for the LTD brand, even if they're not innovative as we want LTD branded tools. Any updates?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're working on it. We're building a supplier network. We're building better processes for bringing products to market in a more timely fashion. The engineering team is hard at work on many, many projects and I see no reason why we couldn't become actually. Hold on. I see no reason why we couldn't become a tool brand. I think they. I think we're learning a lot. We've made some. We've made some mistakes. The. I think we're. But yeah, no, I think we've learned a lot and I think that we can apply what we've learned to a lot of different categories of tool and make something that's just like really, really great and not outlandishly priced with great support. I think the support is a really key part of it. The trust me bro guarantee. And I think over time as people's memories of how mad they were about me saying that fade because we've put our money where our mouth is. That may be branding that we even lean into more and more over time. As I told you guys to trust me, bro. And. And the ones who did are feeling pretty good about it at this point. And let's keep that train going.

[Dan]

Are we for tide.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, like really need to go. If there's any more that specifically address me, then great.

[Dan]

Probably nothing directly. I was trying to. Yeah, I was probably not going to get through these. We should be good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I might have to go. So wait, are we cutting. Is that the end of the show? Show.

[Dan]

Then I don't know how you want to handle that. There's some for Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If a Luke. If a Luke buys in the forest and I don't hear it, does the wan. Show end?

[Dan]

Yes, he is the one that ends the show. I had to end it fair enough. Before the show started because he said bye to somebody.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what? Luke? Why would you do this? Hey, I'M sorry. Okay. Okay. We'll see you again next week then. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Dan]

Don't do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

See ya.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait. Or is it not over?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well, I'm assuming I'm finishing merch messages, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

We can't leave him hanging, but yeah, see ya.

[Dan]

Okay. You almost said it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I almost. I feel like he baited me.

[Dan]

But he did. He did.

[Linus Sebastian]

He did. Yeah.

[Dan]

Now I guess I gotta, like, cut him out as well. And I also didn't set it to when after dark. It's also frantic. We're fine button.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll be all right.

[Dan]

Luke, Cam doesn have Linus in it, but your chairs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa. You know this frame right here, which is Linus's A plus certification, has like three spiders living behind it.

[Dan]

I need a new vacuum. There's rat stuff everywhere here too. Even though I'm surrounded by traps.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was. I was stuck. I had to take a meeting and I was. I couldn't get over to the labs, which is where my desk is. Desks. I guess it was weird. But anyways, I couldn't get over there in time, so I just ran over to the WAN set and took it here because I was like, this will probably be free. I ran into so many spiders and two different mice. That's great. It's very lively here when we're not around. I feel like they know like Fridays to just like, just leave.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Disgusting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't come out.

[Dan]

All right. Any questions for Luke? How is the new build of the store coming? Building a custom theme or based off a ride? Horizon Would love to see the behind some scenes of that process after it goes live.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's still a little bit up in the air. Horizon. Is that a specific theme? Shopify?

[Dan]

Sounds about right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think we're currently planning on Horizon. There are a few different ones we were looking at. We're working with an agency. Things are kind of. I don't know. We're a big company now doing big companies stuff, but yeah, things are not currently set in stone. Yeah, but it's coming.

[Dan]

Question for the two Ls. Well, there's only one now. In your opinion, what is the dumbest thing the other has ever done? Linus doesn't get to defend himself now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. As an arbiter of the talent, which is dumbest of all, Linus would. Top of mind for Linus. I think he would say the. The pizza heater, but I think there's probably something deeper than that that he'd he'd rip me for. For him. This is spicy. It's either his just like stupid take on the backpack warranty stuff or it's the forum response to Steve. I mean, it's one of those two.

[Dan]

I mean, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I think I win this one. So moving on.

[Dan]

Yeah, you do. Luke, thoughts on the community effort to run the Big Screen beyond two on Linux? Really glad to not have to dual boot. Also, thanks for bringing Undies back. Of course. Mere days after I bought some from.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ludwig, I had no idea about the Big Screen beyond two on Linux thing. That sounds amazing. I would be really happy if they got that kind of going. I have still not been able to use it because my house is broken effectively.

[Dan]

Still waiting for you to use it so that I know if I should spend the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, you can borrow it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Effort.

[Linus Sebastian]

Borrow it. Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Okay, do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I literally can't use it. I mean, sure, you might as well.

[Dan]

I'd have to bring my SIM rig out again, but, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. I mean, you could hook it up here.

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah, I guess that's true.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want it?

[Dan]

I think that. I mean, we have one here that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I could play with as well.

[Dan]

Well, fair enough, but it's just like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you can like actually take my own for a bit if you want. Like, it's. It's not going to be super soon that I'd be able to use it, so.

[Dan]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But I mean, you might as well profit or not.

[Dan]

If I like it, that's the major concern.

[Linus Sebastian]

Loss. Yeah. I mean, is it really. Man, I'm really excited. I think it'll be really cool.

[Dan]

I was so excited for the first one to come out and then I procrastinated because I'm like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And now there's a second one, so I think I'll probably just get that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw the first one and was. Was like, pretty confident that they were going to survive to make a second one. And I was like, I feel like the second one's going to be kind of a banger. And I waited and I'm happy with my planning on that.

[Dan]

Hello, first time merchant messenger, long time viewer. I was wanting to know if Luke has read the Stormlight Archive.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think he would really enjoy it, I'm pretty sure. Let me look this up really quick. Storm Light Archive. I'm pretty sure this is on. Oh, Brandon Sanderson. No, but. But this is on my list of things to read. Brandon Sanderson is awesome. I have a massive backlog of nerdforge has a video on this. What? What? We made massive versions of the Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson.

[Dan]

That's so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's really cool. They're so cool. Nerdforge is cool. Anyways, yeah, I will read those at some point. That will actually happen. My, like, reading list is not something that just lasts forever and never ever moves forward. It moves forward slowly because I read slowly, but it does move. It does move. So I am certain I will read it. Eventually.

[Dan]

One of them reached out to maybe do a game jam one of these days, which I think would be a lot of fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huh?

[Dan]

One of the nerd forms.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. That'd be incredible. I didn't even know they did that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Me neither.

[Dan]

That's so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, terrified.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hi, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Though.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know. Hell yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That sounds amazing.

[Dan]

Hi, Linus, Tuke and Tan. Given the upcoming tech to dopamine, dis disreg. Pipeline. Direct pipeline. Sorry, the words are split. What steps do you think we can take as a society to prevent more phone addiction, more antisocial behavior?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's tough. It's tough because it's so easy, which is the problem. Promote within your friend group and your relationships uninstalling certain apps. Promote having like timers on your stuff. Yeah. And try to like, build habits where you aren't on your phone. Like, I had some really good old buddies of mine, we had a game night not that long ago where we played the Slay the Spire board game, which is incredibly good, by the way. Like, masterful board game. One of the best board games I've ever played. And it's four player co op. And it was fantastic. And no one was ever on their phones the whole time. And it just like, felt cool. Everyone was very present, present. So if you build this like, this like, culture within your group of the people that you're spending time with are not just on their phones all the time. It's good. And I have found myself being not good at this before pretty often, to be clear. And it's something that I'm currently actively working on. But yeah, support others in working on it and work on it yourself and just try to be the brightness you want to see in the. The world that isn't your phone screen.

[Dan]

Have you heard of Arc Raiders?

[Linus Sebastian]

Y.

[Dan]

That sounds positive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I played the beta and it was freaking sick. The. Okay, the. The problem that I have, the mechanics feel great. The. The droid things. I don't know what they're actually called. The robots in The. In the game, people want them to be nerfed. I strongly disagree. I think those need to be terrifying. And. And this is wild the way they are. Yeah.

[Dan]

I saw some early builds of this. It looked amazing. I was like new, but then third person and like, it looks super fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

It. It. What? I had a.

[Dan]

It's like semi PvE, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Semi. It's still. It's still definitely PvP, but you can play a good match without interacting with people. But that's also true with Tark Tarkov. Yeah, of course. So if you consider Tarkov Semi PvP, which I don't think people would. I think they'll just consider it PvP then it's effectively the same. My one issue with it and I have not played since their last beta. Well, I guess it's coming up Thursday. Do they mean next Thursday? Whatever. I don't have a computer right now that like works, so I have not been in the loop. But yeah, single player Kharkov. Okay, fine, fair enough. But I. I don't suspect I'm gonna play this on launch. I haven't been able to play Battlefield 6. I'm a little behind right now. But the problem that I had in the beta was that the loop didn't feel great. When you were in the game, things that mechanically felt fantastic. The movement felt really good. A lot of the guns felt really good. The. The combat both with. With droid things and. And clankers and humans was. Was. Was quite good. The balance of things seemed pretty good, but the looting kind of sucked and the why do I care? Was pretty extremely lacking. What is the point? In Tarov, it's pretty obvious why you're doing what you're doing. The storyline is there. The storyline of Tarov, despite being no one ever reads any of the tasks and all that kind of stuff, the storyline is very straightforward. You're stuck in this like, quarantine zone. You're fighting to survive and you need to try to get out. So you're gathering survival supplies which include like all these little tiny micro gun bits and attachments and stuff. In Arc Raiders, it's like I got the. The blue hand grip. That's awesome. I'm excited. I can't wait till I get the purple hand grip, which is bad. And it's just. It's very boring and feels empty in regards to the looting and the progression. So I hope they figure that out. And I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way. So. Yeah, but the feel and stuff is like fantastic. And I do suspect that they can figure out the story stuff, so hopefully they do.

[Dan]

Hi, Dan, Luke and Linus. Well, just us two, I guess. You've spoken previously about contacting Wendell for help with complex technical procs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Topics.

[Dan]

Yeah, he's our tech support. What's the most obscure technical knowledge Wendell has provided that impressed you? Oh, who does Wendell go to? Steve?

[Linus Sebastian]

Ben himself. Just go to his conscious, asks himself questions and he answers it.

[Dan]

Linus. Sorry, Linus.

[Linus Sebastian]

How do.

[Dan]

How do Linux work?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he just shrugs, says oh, let me call Wendell. And then pauses and looks at his foot phone and then has a little cry.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like it's like an animated short for some reason. I just watched that all happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thank you.

[Dan]

Yes, yes, that was. I am a creative.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was fantastic. Most obscure technical knowledge, dude. I don't know. It's just constant with him. One of the just. I'm just gonna glaze the crap out of Wendell. One of the. One of the coolest things about hanging out with Wendell is that you like feel dumb because he's so smart, but then he doesn't make you feel dumb. Does that make any sense? I sound dumb. Just saying that.

[Dan]

It's less. I don't think talking to Wendell you feel dumb. I think when you talk to Wendell it's like, hey, I don't have this knowledge.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then he's like, yeah, that's a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good way of saying it.

[Dan]

Here's the knowledge. And you're like, thanks Wendell.

[Linus Sebastian]

Come along this interesting journey.

[Dan]

I have learned. Learned.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And he wants to. And he's also interested in learning things himself. Yeah. And he's just. I don't know, he's just such a wholesome positive dude.

[Dan]

Amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

A source of reason in the world where there are few.

[Dan]

Wendell's great and last one. I've got this one's I think mostly for you. How would you like to see a tape to tape and Shorzy crossing over? Certainly think it would be a fruitful collab.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fruitful collab? I think it would be fantastic. I've mentioned this on wan show before. My. The reason why I mentioned is because shy has their own hockey game and while it is in early access I did not enjoy it so much that I played for like I think 15, 20 minutes and then alt F4 and never looked back. And we'll wait for the full release release and then try again for sure. But I really wish they just collaborated with Tape to Tape and made like a team in Tape to Tape or something or like an alternate campaign that was like Shorzy based. That would be sick. I think two incredibly small indie games, both being hockey games, is a lot to ask, especially with them both being early access at the same time. Guys, come on. But hey, if it's good, sick. Sounds good. I bought it because I wanted to support Shorzy because I. I freaking love that show. It's fantastic. But yeah, wasn't my happiest game purchase ever. Again, it's early access. Can't judge it too hard. But yeah.

[Dan]

That'S all I got.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's all. That's it. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bye.