Android Has Become Apple - WAN Show August 29, 2025

Summary

The WAN Show – August 29, 2025: Android Has Become Apple

Podcast: The WAN Show
Hosts: Linus Sebastian & Luke Lafreniere
Air Date: August 30, 2025
Episode Theme: Major industry shifts in smartphone platforms, user choice in technology, and broader tech landscape changes

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Linus and Luke tackle seismic shifts in the mobile OS landscape, with Android adopting Apple-like restrictions on sideloading. The conversation explores what this means for users, how “open” Android truly is, and the broader implications for app freedom and alternative OS adoption. The show also covers developments in Battlefield 6 multiplayer, the future of OpenAI parental controls after a lawsuit, GPUs at MSRP, changes to the Steam review system, Framework's unlikely Nvidia modular GPU win, and more.

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Headline Topic: Android Locks Down Sideloading—Is It Becoming Apple?

Timestamps: 02:19–15:00

Key Discussion Points

• Google Announces Dev Verification for Sideloaded Apps

  • Starting October 2025 (rollout in select countries by 2026, globally by 2027), Android will require developer verification even for apps installed outside the Play Store.
  • This echoes Apple’s new “open but restricted” sideloading policies in the EU.
  • Quote:
    “Android has become what they set out to destroy...” — Linus [02:19]

• Reasoning & Analogies

  • Google claims it's like “an ID check at the airport... confirming who the developer is, not reviewing the content.”
  • Linus and Luke both criticize the analogy as nonsensical.
  • Quote:
    “Her analogy makes no sense.” — Linus [04:26]

• Speculation on Motives

  • Linus suggests Google has watched legal and regulatory action against Apple, and is now mirroring the maximum lockdown permitted by law.
  • Quote:
    “It seems to me like Google has been watching extremely interestedly from the sidelines... to see what they can also lock down.” — Linus [05:10]

• Practical User Impact

  • Will this ban certain apps or only gatekeep which developers can sideload?
  • Luke points out that in current form, it just seems like paperwork, but could easily lead to an anti-competitive allow-list.
  • Linus and Luke both foresee a world with even more tightly controlled app ecosystems.

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Alternatives: GrapheneOS and the Rise of Custom ROMs

Timestamps: 08:04–16:00

• Enthusiasts Flocking to GrapheneOS

  • Linus and Luke discuss GrapheneOS as a “flag waving” solution for privacy and open Android.
  • Some tradeoffs—certain apps (e.g., Authy, banking) outright refuse to run due to Google’s integrity APIs.
  • Quote:
    “There are some ways that Google does attempt to exert some control over device security. In this particular case... there’s not a meaningful impact on the actual security... but simply will not run.” — Linus [09:10]

• Hope for Alternative Android Distributions

  • Both hosts note a wave of interest in “alternative Android” (e.g., GrapheneOS, SteamOS’s normalization of Linux, the legacy of Cyanogenmod).
  • Linus: The camera experience is the one technical barrier keeping most people with the big OEMs.

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Main Takeaways

• Android and Apple are converging on controlled, less open ecosystems, possibly stifling innovation and user choice.
• There is a growing tension between security, privacy, and openness.
• Niche user communities are revitalizing alternative operating systems, but core hardware (camera, banking) locks keep mass market change at bay.

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Additional Key Segments & Highlights

Battlefield 6: Return of Persistent Servers & Bigger Maps

Timestamps: 19:56–33:33

• Battlefield 6 will feature server browsers and persistent servers (albeit mainly in custom Portal modes).

  • Luke sees it as a critical step back towards a more classic, player-driven multiplayer experience.
  • Quote:
    “They’re bringing back server browsers.” — Luke [21:48]

• Vehicle-heavy maps and the differentiated role of classes (overpowered medic, specialized snipers).

  • Dialogue on the lack of exciting AAA shooters and nostalgia for older FPS titles.

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OpenAI Lawsuit & Teen Safety

Timestamps: 127:13–135:42

• After a high-profile tragedy involving a teen using ChatGPT, OpenAI is now bringing parental controls and better crisis interventional tools.
  • Linus and Luke are deeply critical and concerned about chatbot “friendliness” and real harm/erroneous advice.
  • Quote:
    “If a person did this, the person would be going to jail.” — Luke [132:32]

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Steam Changes How Reviews Work

Timestamps: 64:44–68:40

• Language-specific review scores now highlighted for games, isolating the impact of region or language-driven review bombs.
  • Both hosts praise Valve for focusing user sentiment more clearly.
  • Quotes:
    “I actually love this change.” — Linus [67:26]
    “As a player who just wants to enjoy the game, this seems like … a better indication of user sentiment.” — Luke [67:47]

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GPU Pricing: MSRP at Last, But…

Timestamps: 68:47–76:10

• Some Nvidia RTX 50-series cards (5070, 5080) appear in-stock at MSRP, albeit limited.
  • The price for a 5070 is discussed as too high by historical comparison, but it’s at MSRP—"a tiny W."
  • Banter about excessively expensive gold-plated GPUs.
  • Quote: “We have to take the W’s we can get.” — Linus [70:53]

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Framework Laptop’s Nvidia Breakthrough

Timestamps: 171:44–177:41

• Framework will offer a modular Nvidia RTX 5070 GPU for its upgradable laptop—unprecedented for a major brand and particularly notable given Nvidia’s historical hostility to modular laptop GPUs.
  • Both hosts express genuine surprise and delight.
  • Quote:
    “Not only did Framework do it, Framework did it with Nvidia... Companies have been sued. Companies have lost millions of dollars in previous attempts to deliver an upgradeable GPU laptop.” — Linus [173:32]

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Notable Moments & Quotes

• On Android following Apple:
  • “You shouldn’t have to choose between open and secure… but now you do.” — Linus [02:19]
• On Open Source & Licensing Fiascos:
  • [FSR4 SDK leak discussion] “Once something is released as open source under the MIT license, apparently it cannot be revoked.”—Linus [170:03]
• On Tech YouTube Landscape:
  • “If you listen to audience feedback, you are basically guaranteed to fail.” — Linus [99:44]

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Community Q&A, Industry News & LTT channel updates

• Steep LTT view decline and musings on YouTube algorithms: Recognition of changing viewing habits, algorithm impacts, and pressures for content evolution. [76:10–109:52]
• Scrapyard Wars Part 3 announcement + livestream commentary tease. [158:52, 159:55]
• Spotify adding DMs — universally panned as unnecessary.
  • “What another DM inbox means to me is another place that I can get spammed...” — Linus [154:05]
• On Tech’s Changing Role:
  • “Everything from the pricing structure to the marketing to the product development... is now geared at system integrators, not DIY PC builders.” — Linus [99:44–108:21]
• Casual, self-deprecating banter:
  • “Her analogy makes no sense.” — Linus [04:26]
  • “Nobody’s ever died from pepper spray. Yes, although rare deaths have been linked to pepper spray.” — Linus & Luke [165:23]
  • “Thank you, Luke. Come and collect your pizza.” — Linus [158:32]
  • “Do you have general concerns?” — Luke [01:51]
• Personal Tech Nostalgia:
  • Both reflect on their earliest gadgets and the changing experience of using technology growing up. [184:28–187:21]

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Conclusion

This episode is a rich, far-ranging snapshot of August 2025 in tech: the tightening of mobile OS walled gardens, the torch being picked up by privacy and open-source enthusiasts, nostalgic hope for multiplayer gaming, the realities of AI’s pitfalls, shifts in review platforms, and glimmers of hardware innovation in upgradable laptops. Linus and Luke’s candid, critical, and genuinely funny exchanges make this an engaging episode for anyone invested in the forces shaping the future of our everyday tech.

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Transcript

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

What's up everyone? And oh, welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. Android has become Apple Sideloading. What? Who needs it? Who needs sideloading? Why would you want to install any app you want? You should just install all the curated apps from the App Store. Good job, Google. You're doing great. In other news, GPUs are. Oh, actually, no, I'm going to go with a different one. Framework has done the impossible Investment disclosure. They have somehow convinced Nvidia to go along with their weird science fair project of a laptop and provide an upgradeable GPU module for it with Team Green graphics.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa, indeed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's weird, but cool. Also, the most important thing to me is a topic that I just titled in all capitals is Battlefield Gonn be awesome. And then like 12 question marks because my two most major concerns from the beta are maybe being addressed. We'll talk about that. And I don't know for the last.

[Linus Sebastian]

Topic, but those are your major concerns. But what about your sergeant concerns and general concerns?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have those as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you have general concerns?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have general concerns.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Also, OpenAI is terrifying or something. Yeah, we talk about every week. This one's bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

The show is brought to you today by Factor, Miro and Ugreen. And of course we've got our rap partner, dBrand, our laptop partner, Dell, and our chair partner, Secret. They all merit a mention. Let's jump right into our headline topic, which is of course, that Android has become what they set out to destroy. Earlier this week, Android announced that you shouldn't have to choose between open and secure. And they're now announcing that app developers will need developer verification even if the app is being sideloaded. Huh?

[Luke Lafreniere]

How would that even work?

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a rollout period for this starting in October of this year, where Android verification will enter early access. In March 2026, it will be open to all developers. And in September 2026, these requirements will go into effect for Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand. And in 2027, this will roll out globally. Many developers are calling into question the reasoning for this, since in the Android developers blog post written by Suzanne Frey, VP of Product Trust and Growth for Android, she states, think of it. Oh, sorry. Written by. Think of it like an ID check at the airport, which confirms a traveler's identity but is separate from the security screening of their bags, will be confirming who the developer is, not reviewing the content of their app or where it came from. Now hold on just a gosh darn second. How do you differentiate, in the case of an app, the difference between where it came from and who developed it? Huh? I, I question you this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think the where it came from even matters, which is probably why they don't care.

[Linus Sebastian]

Her analogy makes no sense. No, think of it like an ID check at the airport, which confirms a traveler's identity, but is separate from the security screening of their bags. So we'll be confirming who the developer is, not reviewing the content of their app or where it came from, but is not where it came from. The developer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, I think they mean like, was this on a SDK download site? I think they mean where was the, the source that the user got it from? Not necessarily. Did they get it directly from the creator? I think that's what she means. Does it matter?

[Linus Sebastian]

No. In my opinion there are more details to come, but what we're expecting based on what we know so far, is this will work similar to Apple in the eu. Apple recently was mandated to allow sideloading on their devices using a similar verification method. This did not prevent Apple, however, from removing a popular torrenting app, itorrent from altstore Pal, which is a popular alternative app store for iPhone. So basically what this looks like to me is that Google has been carefully watching from the sort of sidelines. Like if you think back to when Epic sued Apple and Google. See, people kind of forget that Epic sued both of them because Apple's a much more exciting headline and, you know, forming. Finding any cracks in Apple's walled garden was a much more tantalizing, you know, Apple. But no, Epic very much sued both Apple and Google over the monopolies of their, of their various ecosystems. And it seems to me like Google has been watching extremely interestedly from the kind of sidelines to see what exactly it is that Apple can get away with here, to see what they can also lock down. And I think we're just kind of arriving at the logical conclusion, which is that, well, okay, if this is where the line is going to be, then we might as well, be there. But I gotta say, as someone who very much enjoys the side load ability of apps for Android, I, I don't really know what to do about this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What does this actually change? Because like, if they're not inspecting the contents of the app.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're just checking who it's signed by. Who cares?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a hot take and a half.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But certain developers that they're going to allow, like, what is, what is the next step in this effectively? Like, is it going to be an allow list? So you have to be a known publisher by the Google Play Store in order to be sideloaded. The end of revance if sideloading is gone. Yeah. So like they might preemptively ban certain developers, but then could you just sign as a different developer?

[Linus Sebastian]

But then you would also probably get banned for introducing some app that they don't approve of. And then, but they're saying that they're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not inspecting the apps.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. But like, come on, how long is that gonna last?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, that's what, that's what I'm saying is like, as its current state doesn't feel like it does anything. So what is their next step? I guess I didn't lay that out.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, getting rid of apps they don't like. Because otherwise what would be, what would be the point?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't like it. What I want to follow this up with is how's graphene going?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because honestly, immediately upon reading this I was just like, it's just another flag that I need to get out.

[Linus Sebastian]

So graphene's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

As we talked about offline, we do have lives outside of WAN show where we occasionally communicate with each other outside of WAN Show. So as we talked about already, there is a way to get call screening. You can just get the Pixel Dialer app and it'll just include Pixel features and the GrapheneOS team's sort of position on installing apps like Facebook or apps like the Pixel Dialer, is that. Yeah, okay, you are giving up some of the privacy that you might have with grapheneos. Sorry, I keep picking up holding up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This phone, but it's on another one.

[Linus Sebastian]

You are giving up some of the privacy that you might normally have with GrapheneOS by installing those things, but it is most certainly, assuredly better than running those applications in a not sandboxed version of, of Google's services and ecosystem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had originally been like, well, if I'm going to like compromise the wall, why bother? But then ever since hearing that statement, it's been like, all right, I'M going to wait for you to finish.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I might dive in.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am already running into some issues, so here's an interesting one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't necessarily mind some issues.

[Linus Sebastian]

So Authy, for instance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I try to sign into it. So let's go ahead and. Oh, nope, that is not my correct phone number here. I'm just going to get the exact right number. Ah, yes. This device does not meet the minimum integrity requirements. So it turns out that there are some ways that Google does attempt to exert some control over device security. In this particular case, there is not, as far as I'm aware, not a meaningful impact on the actual security of that particular API that Authy is, is utilizing. But if app developers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, I might have missed something. You said Google Authy's. So is this, is this Authy's using.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, like a secure check API of some sort? I forget what it's called from Google. Got it. Yeah. So you're not stuck with Authy. I can migrate off of Authy. In fact, I chose Authy, like back before they were acquired and it was a whole. It was a whole thing. It was a good choice at the time. It was like the choice at the time. And since then I think people have moved on mostly to like Entei, I think, I think that's how it's pronounced. So I can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a few now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So I could definitely move off of it. It's not a deal breaker, but it's just one app that I've found that due to a choice by the app, make simply will not run. And as far as I can tell, there's no real workaround for it. Another big category of apps that is challenging for the Grapheneos team is banking apps. Not because, again, not because there's any evidence that I've yet seen that you must use this integrity API. I keep forgetting what it's called and I'm sorry guys, play Integrity API. I think that's the one. Tzn. Not because as far as I can tell, there's a meaningful security advantage to using it, but because it is a thing that exists that some app developers have chosen to use. And if they have, well, too bad. The good news is my bank doesn't use it. So that's good for me for now. For now. But yours might.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So overall I'm pretty, I'm. I'm pretty jazzed about certain things. Like, check this out. Like just how responsive it is. Like it's flipping.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How's your battery usage? Fast because my great. My phone right now the, the only thing that's like sort of tempting me on getting a 10 which I don't want to do and almost certainly will not do is that my phone is usually like if I don't plug it in near the end of the night before I've gone to sleep, it will die on me almost every day.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well part of the problem for me to kind of. I don't have an apples to apples comparison for you because I'm running the 9A for both my, my like daily driver which actually I finally finished signing into all my crap on this on my recent trip so I'm going to be popping my sim in it this weekend. But the Pixel 9a has like frickin legendary battery life. Like I'm at 83% right now and I've used it today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like I can barely kill this thing in a day if I try. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This thing's been a bit of a tank the whole time and I do like it's pretty common. Like this is just because I didn't plug my phone in last night but it's pretty common that I'll like go for a walk or something. When I do that I'll play Pokemon Go and that'll battery hog like crazy. So that kind of makes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, that's what you get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No for sure gamer gamer time but even when I don't it's, it's pretty bad. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right. Well anyway, I guess. Oh man, what's gonna happen if I had to make a bold prediction? I mean graphene OS is already a thing. Do we see more mainstream acceptance of alternative Androids? Like do we go back to all the cool kids running Cyanogen mod.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hopefully because so far it does feel like there's a bit of a wave going on. I do to give them credit. Not to, not to not give them credit to actually straight up give them credit. I think a lot of it is Steam OS just normalizing Linux usage.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I think also just Windows being really annoying and the mobile platforms getting more overtly anti user instead of just kind of like shrugging it off with these lawsuits going on and then fighting it so hard and like clearly trying to skirt right along legal boundaries and stuff like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Most people aren't paying any attention to that though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah but it's starting. You, you, you get the hardcore, the enthusiasts first.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then it leaks a little bit. I don't, I don't ever think a thing that you have to mod is going to be Fully mainstream at pretty much any point.

[Linus Sebastian]

But, but what if someone could deliver a pre modded product? So, you know, what if, what if the graphene OS team, if you hit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A certain amount of enthusiast, gets hardware interest, then those types of things become more and more viable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man, that'd be a huge tipping point because like the edge that Google has and that Apple has, it's in the camera, man. Yeah, it's in the camera. And so like, that's been a differentiating feature for phones for so long and it is genuinely important even to normies who don't really care that much about anything else to do with their phone. Like, if it didn't matter, we, so many more of us would be using Vivo phones or Honor or whatever else. And I know there are markets where those brands are more popular, but at least in North America, man, the camera seems to be just such a huge selling point and other than the big players, it's, it's pretty tough to deliver an outstanding camera experience. Oh, then again, yeah, I mean that's a really great point in floatplane chat is if the camera mattered so much, then Sony shouldn't, Sony shouldn't have faltered the way that they did. I mean they, they had pretty outstanding cameras. So it's, it's going to be, it's hard for me to predict what the future will hold, but honestly, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Most people these days genuinely, where would I put it? I think it's all, I think it's fair to say over 75% are just buying out of habit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, dude, that's huge. Okay, so there's definitely some weirdness. I just opened Facebook.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's just, it's just flipping out. Session expired. Log back in, I bet. Let's see, it's logging out now. Okay. Did we do it? So has it been the most seamless of experiences? No. Dan, can you do me a super huge solid favor and kind of mark this timestamp and email that to me for my graphene OS video? It's, it's. Dude, it's so frustrating. It's hard sometimes for me to catch some of the behavior that I notice on devices as I'm working through, reviewing them or daily driving them. And so I'll, you know, I'll go out on camera and I'll say, yeah, the latest iOS is like a glitchy piece of shit. And people be like, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like, well, okay, but that doesn't change that. That was my experience. And so it's. It's great when I can, like, document these things that are just unequivocally weird, buggy behavior. The Facebook app should never do that. That's not a feature of the Facebook app to move around like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. When you first open it, this is.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you probably don't need the Facebook app, so maybe you'll be okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if I care because, like, if a very small number of apps work fine, if all of the rest of them have glitchy bugs, that's probably a good thing. Overall, if I could, like, designate on my phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I want this. This particular app to, like, error out relatively often. I would probably do that. I'm not even kidding. Because there are certain things that I, like, have to have installed, but I don't want them installed, and I have to use them for, like, work. And then they might distract me. And if it was just like, error out, I'd be like, oh, right, I need to go do something else anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I think that setting screen time limits.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And why do that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, sure. I just think that might be a better approach than just this app that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying. I don't think it's gonna bother me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Crashes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it's gonna bother me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it's prompting me to log back in. Do you. Do you not get bothered when you have to log into something to the main Facebook app?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I don't think it's gonna bother me. If messages did that, I would get annoyed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. So you don't get to pick which apps glitch do I have? And you don't get to pick how.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They glitch, but that's why I said it. If very specific ones worked, totally fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, then, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Do I have the. Yeah, I have the main Facebook app. I don't think I've ever used it. Do you. You must need it for, like. See, there's always, like, a thing on it that I need, and then it has 30 other things that are really annoying. And then it will send the notifications and stuff for the other things, and I don't want them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to figure this out because it's like doing it every time. Every time I click login, it's like flipping its biz. This is. This is not something that I had encountered so far. Okay. Am I quite ready to put the sim in it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what? I'll go for it and I'll just not use Facebook, I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good luck, everybody.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, because of Marketplace, I wish there was a separate Marketplace app, but they'll never do that because they want you to see all the other job.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's right. That's how they get ya. All right, why don't we jump into our next topic? You want to pick it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Battlefield.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. We're talking about Battlefield, which I know nothing about, so I guess Luke's going to be leading this topic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You've played Battlefield in the past, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

I have played.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, for this discussion. Like, the older the better about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on, let me think. Let me check what the COVID art was, which should give you some idea. Because it came in a box.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm assuming it's 1942.

[Linus Sebastian]

I played maybe an hour or two of Battlefield 2.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, sure. So Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4 era.

[Linus Sebastian]

And no, I played a little bit of Battlefield 4. That's the one with the destructible environments, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You sure you never played 1942? Everybody played 1942. Lord of the box art. Load up the box art.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you know how it makes people feel when you say everyone something?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Load up the box art.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, everyone loves ice cream. Then if you don't love ice cream.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you hate it when I say that?

[Linus Sebastian]

And then if you don't love ice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cream, do you hate it when I say that?

[Linus Sebastian]

You feel left out. You feel. You feel isolated, like you're not one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of everyone left out for not playing 1942.

[Linus Sebastian]

Literally everyone. You know, if I said everyone has an LTT screwdriver, you'd be like, you don't exaggerate stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You crying right now is not an exaggeration at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I never played 1942.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, basically, three, four, and before, all had server browsers and at least some maps that were enormous.

[Linus Sebastian]

Shut up. What are they. Are they bringing back, like, a server list? Can people host their own servers?

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're bringing back server browsers.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the Battlefield 6 open beta, that just this news from, like, 10 hours.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's illegal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Battlefield 6, that's illegal. That happened. They had two of them recently.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stop it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was no server browser.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can't tell me something like this and then rug pull me. You can't. It's not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, we'll get there. We'll get there. There was no server browsers. I k. I know I do not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get a full release. You are responsible for my blue balls if you get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, it is only partial, but in my opinion, it's a partial. That is only. Is completely fine. That should, in my Opinion still give full release.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, carry on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So in those play tests there was two main problems that I had, a bunch of problems. But there's two main problems that I had. The biggest, most important one was no server browser. My reason for that is Battlefield is a very varied game. Back in the day all the maps were enormous and had tons of vehicles. And then as it started getting more modern they got smaller and smaller maps trying to compete with COD and that was kind of okay. But if you didn't feel like playing a small map you could just server browse and go to some 24. 7 server and play whatever map you wanted as long as you wanted. Right. And then they took server browser away and right around that same time battlefield went beeed the 6 open beta, had no server browser and had a lot of really small maps. Even their like biggest map honestly felt like one area of one of the old really big maps in the old games Jets. Like you could have permanent visibility on a jet as it flew around the map because the map was so small. Like just didn't seem, it didn't feel right.

[Linus Sebastian]

A battlefield. It was more of a battle area. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Battle position. Yeah, there you go, cubby. So people wanted bigger maps and people wanted a server browser. And then this article from Rock Paper Shotgun appeared on. Oh my. With all the ads appeared on my device. Battlefield 6 is getting persistent servers and two vehicle heavy maps are coming in the next labs. Playtest 24. 7 insert map here. Only listings. Here we come. So the asterisk, as a couple of people in full plane chat have pointed out is that these persistent servers are.

[Linus Sebastian]

For Portal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is like.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a whole other game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

User create. This is like. This is like Battlefield's version of Halo Forge. So it's user defined rules maps basically.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's what custom servers always were anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People pointed out like it's not the main modes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like I don't know if I care.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well Yeah, I mean 90% of them are going to be some bull mode. That is stupid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But then there will just be like 24.

[Linus Sebastian]

7 this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

24. 7 domination. This map.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's what I want to play. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go. That's all I want and it's totally fine. So I am very excited about this. I'm excited that they're doing vehicle heavy maps because vehicle heavy maps almost always tie into larger maps and I think they need both. It was weird when there would be like one jet on. In the air on each team. Because I remember back in the day, you like spawn at the airfield and there's like a few jets, two helicopters, maybe two large helicopters and one small helicopter. A like, row of tanks. Like, it was very vehicle heavy and, and the. The maps they've rolled out have been small and not very vehicle heavy. So. Yeah, bigger. Hopefully they didn't say that part, but they said vehicle heavy, so hopefully bigger. Definitely vehicle heavy. Maps are coming the next play test. And the, like, actual important part is the persistent servers. That's huge. That's very huge.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's interesting. So do you think part of this is looking at like the War Thunders and World of tanks and CODs of the world, basically going, okay, there is a smorgasbord of pointy, gunny, explodey, add other guy, kaboom, go, die, go, bye, bye. Like games at this point, you know, what do we do at this to differentiate ourselves? Because just having good gunplay, I think, I think you just take that for granted. Nobody's gonna, these days, nobody's gonna look at you twice if you, if you don't offer satisfying shooting mechanics, attachments, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Reload animations, all that kind of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, all that stuff solved for quite a while. It's just that. That's a given.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So could this be, and is this what you were hoping would be so exciting? Could this be a turning point where these guys go, oh, crap. Okay, Battlefield is stealing some of our market share by going back in time and doing things that players like. Maybe that's an idea that's worth exploring to do things that players like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sorry, one sec. Yeah, I know. So, yeah, I think so. I. I think it's. It's an interesting turning point. I genuinely like. Name. Name a. AAA shooter that you've been excited about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Halo Infinite.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was good.

[Linus Sebastian]

I still like it. I was, I was playing the other day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How high would you rate it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Name the last triple A game that you don't have to do that for. B plus when someone asks you, how would you rate it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, hold on, let me think. A shooter?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, God. See? Okay. I was actually. I was actually pretty excited for Overwatch back when that was launching because it looked like Team Fortress 2, but like more Blizzard, which it's pretty much what it was. Yeah. And I never. Yeah, okay, hold on. Oh, God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nine years.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, hold, chat, help me out here. Chat, chat, help me out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In my determination, it's been basically nine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I was. Okay. It's not Triple A. But I was excited for Backfire Blood. But then you also had the caveat that it was supposed to have been good. I never actually played that one because I heard it wasn't very good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Everyone just played Left 4 Dead again, which was cool for a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is splitgate 2 actually AAA?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think so. I think that's like double A. I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Think that's double A. I'm talking big.

[Linus Sebastian]

Names, household name, Charged Nuclei says Unreal Tournament. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Okay. With that said, with that said, we should get some UT going at Whale Land. That would be freaking awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So, yeah, I basically, it's been a hot minute, and in my opinion, it's because Studio's been focusing on the wrong things, all that kind of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

And.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the Battlefield 6 beta, to me felt like maybe half a step in the right direction.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, there was a lot of things that felt good about it, but, like the lack of server, browser, the small maps, all these different things. They didn't really. It didn't feel fully correct. It's the first multiplayer shooter that I had some amount of fun playing by myself, which was a really good sign.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, without grabbing a crew. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a buddy that works on that team and I messaged him that being like, that was a really interesting sign. I found myself playing it solo and was like, whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because I don't know the last time I've done that to a shooter.

[Linus Sebastian]

You haven't even, like, gamed that much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not really.

[Linus Sebastian]

By comparison to, like, before. Yeah, the. Before four times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it was like. It was. It was in no small part because games have kind of sucked. So it's. It's. It's interesting. I wish I could find his. His messages because I want to see the other complaints that I had. But. But really, like, above all was the map size and the. And the. And the. No persistent maps.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, well, I'm hopeful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. So they did this thing where. And this. This will hopefully not happen on the persistent servers, but they had a thing where it would auto fill servers with bots. And I actually hated that because back in the day it was kind of fun when like every single player that was on the server had a tank because there was only eight of us.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there was. Or maybe it was like two helicopters, three tanks, and it was like the war of. That basically. That was fun and interesting. Like, I didn't. Battlefield is all about the immersion gameplay, in my opinion. The only in Battlefield was their Old tagline. Because they'd show, like, the weird stuff you could do in Battlefield that doesn't flourish when you're just stuffing it full of bots. Yeah, no. Server browser map sizes suck. Combat generally feels pretty good. Little light and fast, but it's not COD cancer, so I'll take it. And it sounds like they might have even slowed it down. The medic feels really cool. The medic feels overpowered, which I think is good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Because when you see a medic, you should be like, oh, my God, let's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

War crime him, basically.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because otherwise we're boned, Basically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To be honest. Because, like, so the medic now gets paddles.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you can just. And somebody's up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is crazy. And you can, like. You're up, you're up, you're up, you're up, you're up. So you can, like, lift a whole team.

[Linus Sebastian]

What about Asia, though?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God. You can get a whole team up. Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Never. Never a land war in Asia.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My God. Which. Which is interesting because, like you were saying, if you don't take the medic down, it's. It's like, really hard to actually beat a team back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think there's a certain amount of times that you can go down where you can't get brought back up anymore. And I know that if you get headshot by a sniper, I also thought this was a cool mechanic. You are fatally wounded. You can't come back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. That's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which adds some interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

What if you're headshot by not a sniper?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then you can still be brought back up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is. It's. So it's interesting how they have, like, kind of hero mechanics in the classes, but not too much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Snipers will have a role on the team other than just being. Who don't actually help with anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Except they'll usually just counter snipe each other permanently. So they'll still fill that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But some of them will understand. Like, there was some. There was a challenge where you had to get a certain amount of spots as a sniper. So I was playing sniper for a bit, but I played, like, relatively close range, and I would really go for those, like, close combat headshots. And then you'd see medics run up to them, be like. And it doesn't do anything, and I.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then you'd shoot them because you're a Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it. You think that's funny?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because you're a Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cans of food. Has it been long Enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can we joke about that? Is that too soon? There's no way it's too soon, right? It's been. No, it's fine. 80 years. Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nobody read up on Canadian history. We're nice. I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We said we're sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do you want?

[Linus Sebastian]

They were expired, I guess. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They were expired.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was no war crimes in the Ba Sing Sea. Someone expired.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, boy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Into pieces. Do you want a different kind of canned meat? We still got 22 minutes. Yeah, I know, but it doesn't. You gotta. When we're done, the topic, you gotta. I don't have. You want to just move on. You still got 22 minutes for topic two. Yeah, I don't have the third one. I don't. But you just put whatever the next thing is. Do you want to do the next thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We'll do the next.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do the next thing. We don't want to drag out topics. Yes. Okay, CW announce explain into merch messages. The way to interact with this show is merch messages. We don't do super chats or twitch bits. We do merge messages because we believe that when you throw money at your screen, you should get some quality merchandise in return. And, boy, do we ever have some great stuff for you guys this week. If you head over to lttstore.com, all you got to do is. Oh, what? The super soft hoodie is back. Let's go back in stock, baby. Super soft hoodie. It's just as soft and snuggly as it ever was and is available in all sizes. This is an extremely well reviewed product that people flip in love. Best hoodie I've ever had. And Brandon L. From Tucson would not lie to you. All you got to do is add it to your cart and you will be prompted to send a merch message. Tucson, Tucson. I don't know, whatever. It's America. Just. I assume they're just pronouncing it all yee haw, and I'm gonna say it wrong. Anyway, the point is that you'll be prompted in the cart to leave a merch message, and it will go to producer Dan, who will, I don't know, reply to it or put it down there, or he'll curate it for me and Luke to respond to. What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just say it. Arizona.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, he's talking about Tucson, Arizona. He's. Or alternatively, he's talking about the canned foods again.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why are you so mean? Anyway, you can also check out our back to school collection, which has everything you need for back to school, whether you are going back to school, have gone back to school, or you don't have any school at all. We've got our commuter backpack, our washed crew neck sweatshirt, our scribe driver mechanical pencil. We have pencils and pens now in the scribe driver lineup. I don't know why we think you need a fidget spinner for back to school, but hey, there you go. We've got that. We also brought back, that's right, my friends, the RGB T shirt. The one that has the little, the little flex, the little splash of color. Super, super soft and comfortable. This is also one of our very, very well reviewed items. So we've got that available in all sizes. You can add that to your cart. What else is in the back to school collection? Oh, we've got our notebooks. Yep, that's a notebook all right. It's a book where you can make notes and. And look at this. How cute is that? It has a little tablet on it. It looks like. It looks like a little high tech notebook, but it's not actually tech. There's no tech in it. Also water bottles and desk pads and stuff. Anyway, Dan, you want to show them how Merch Message works by reading one for us? Sure, I can do that. That's what I've done before. I've got a few here. This one here from Blake, he might even do it again someday. Yeah, I mean, if this doesn't go very well, we'll see. Linus, you've said ADHD helps you move on fast. I jump from hobby to hobby and struggle to stick with things. Any advice on staying on track or turning that into a strength? Oh, boy. Yeah. So I think the context that you're bringing up is when I said that it kind of helps me get bored of something before the audience has a chance to get bored of it, which in show business is kind of known as always leave them wanting more. And it's pretty good in my career. But to your point, it also can prevent you sometimes from getting really into something with a level of depth that can turn you into a subject matter expert. Fortunately for me, I operate really well and I am able to perform well in my occupation as a generalist, you know, kind of with a. With a surface level knowledge of just about everything to do with tech and enough to ask the right questions, to drill down the right amount to cover most topics, even if they aren't things that I have, you know, done an entire, like, postgraduate degree on. Right. As for, you know, how you turn that into a Superpower. I mean, honestly, it's like, it's like anything. If you have a horse that has the superpower of, you know, being able to sprint for exactly, exactly 12 seconds, but then it needs to nap for two days, it's like, well, that superpower is literally only useful if it needs to run a 12 second race. So part of it might just be putting yourself in a position where you're running the right kinds of races that are. That your powers are beneficial for. Because one of the things that I've discovered is that you can't really or I struggle to force myself to be interested in something. I can, I can do it for a period. I can kind of make myself learn something that I don't care about. But what I found is my retention of it is extremely poor. So good luck. Yeah. Do you want me to call her in? My first question for Luke. How many push orders? Oh, that's a good question. I bet he hasn't looked at that in over a year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was going to say like over two years probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been quite a while. We more look at like, oh, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan, you were muted. Darn it. They wanted to know how many gigabits does float plane push? Just kind of rough is fine enough. And he's pulling out his phone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, give me a sec.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's going to go check it. Okay. Should we move on in the meantime while he looks this up?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So one of the things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, he's going to talk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not going to you. I'm not going to be able to like, effectively fully answer your question because it's like, if you're talking about. Yeah, if you're talking about peak, I won't have that metric in front of me right now. But peak is not as, anywhere near as important to us as like monthly overall throughput. And the reason for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you may not like it, but that's what it looks like. That's. You may not like it, but this is what monthly overall throughput looks like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And one of the reasons for that is because we for VOD are using Cloudflare for delivery. So we will send up from our servers and I think this is probably what you expected. We will like, if someone clicks on a video, sometimes it will come from our server up to Cloudflare and then to the user. A lot of the times it's already there and Cloudflare just sends it to the user.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The most common situation where it's not already there is if you're the first view on a video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because it hasn't cached it yet. So you're the person who instigated the move to. To transfer the video. Not transfer, to copy effectively the video from our origin server up to. It's not at that point something cached.

[Linus Sebastian]

At this point, but it will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're instigating the caching of it up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Into the Cloudflare server. And then it goes from Cloudflare's servers to Cloudflare's edge servers. Then it goes from Cloudflare's edge servers to you. A long time ago, we did this ourselves in a lot of locations, mostly North America and these days, Antarctica. Yeah, that was fun. And these days we're. We're almost entirely doing it through Cloudflare, unless you're doing a download and then that's coming from somebody else. And then unless you're watching a live stream and that's coming from somebody else, unless you're doing X, Y, Z.

[Linus Sebastian]

So basically, I just hear a lot of excuses. I have an idea. If we want to know the peak throughput, could you just look at it really quick?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not really. Like, it wouldn't be, oh, my.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just real quick. Just, you know, my God, one of these days you're gonna get hit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my goodness. I'm trying to find. I don't remember where it is. One second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Should we do another one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'll keep looking.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, dig it up. Hi, gang. Question for Linus. Investing or starting your own business? What moves you to either? In what world would you start your own quote unquote framework or invest in a badminton center? Oh, wow. That's a. That's a. That's. That feels like a pretty deep question. Okay, so why don't we start with what made me make the various decisions that I made? Why. Why invest in Framework? So that was a pretty impulsive decision. I hadn't met anyone on their team. All I knew about them was the laptop that I was holding and their kind of vision for it, which I very much was in favor of. Creating a product like that from scratch felt completely outside of my area of expertise. And I don't mean in terms of, like, product definition. I think I probably could have done that pretty well. But what I didn't have was the contacts and the experience navigating the electronic supply chain to bring that all together and produce volume of it. I mean, that. That was the hard part. Prototyping the first framework 13. You know, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but I think they would probably say it was pretty easy, relatively speaking. But going from prototyping to building a relationship with suppliers like intel, with manufacturers getting time on the assembly line allocated to you, there's a lot of more than just the costs. There's a lot of politics to play because every, every hour of every assembly line that they give to you is something that they could have given to some other product that might make them more money or might curry them political favor or might have some other they might be able to use for their own products so they could make more profit. There's a lot at play when it comes to taking something from an idea to mass production, which is one of the big reasons that so many Kickstarters and so many startups in general fail. So why would I invest in Framework? Because I wanted to be part of that journey, but I knew that I had absolutely no capacity whatsoever for making it a reality on my own. And it's not like I never thought of the idea of starting a PC manufacturer before the modern handheld PC era got, you know, sort of, I would say, not kicked off by the Steam Deck, but accelerated by the Steam deck. It had occurred to me that I kind of thought a lot of the options that existed were okay, but there's things that I would have done differently. And I did look at a company like Ayaneo before they were acquired, because that tends to happen when you're just a tiny, inexperienced team and you bring a product to market. You know, I looked at something like that and went, wow, that's like a really small team. Like, could we just hire a small hardware engineering and supply chain team and like make the LTT handheld? And then Valve launched the Steam deck for like 350, $400. And it's like, okay, well, I'm glad I never had anything to do with any of that because then I would have just been out all of my investment and that would have been horrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where was I going with this? Right? So it's not like it never occurred to me. I just, I looked at it, I went, yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing with any of this. So I think it'd be better if I just butt out. And so I did. As for the Badminton Center. Oh, yeah, right. The last thing with Framework is on the one hand I was looking at it going, there's no way these guys have a shot. I'm throwing this money away. But on the other hand, they're like developing, they're, we're going to be A laptop manufacturer. So if, if the. The slimmest of. Of chances, victory, if somehow they manage to achieve some kind of scale, then I mean, theoretically the sky's the limit in terms of what the total addressable market is for their product. So it could be a good investment. It's like any early stage, like very early round or angel level investment where you just are kind of. You're throwing your money at something because you believe it has a shot or because you really appreciate the vision, or in the case of me, because you believe you can bring something to it that will give it a better shot at success. And you throw that money in there and you go, goodbye money. And then maybe someday it comes back. But if it does come back, it should come back 10x or 100x rather than, you know, at a more predictable rate of return, like a few percentage points each year, like you might get with sort of a more low risk investment strategy. Okay, badminton center. Why would I start my own instead of investing in a badminton center? Because. Where is it? Before the show, a viewer sent in this. It's a bird orang. So it's like a robin thing. Something, something R. Hard R's. Okay. This is a. Well, no, because of the. The incident. The incident. I know the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With the R word and the pre. A hard R. It is metal.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, that sort of thing. Good job, Dell. Our laptop partner.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

For making that delightful noise with your metal chat. Oh, God, did I dent it? No, it's okay. That'll buff out. Of course you did it. It's a Dell. The point is they sent me this. Don't worry too much about that. Now I'm gonna look for a word to describe investing in a badminton center. Because I'm looking for a word to describe investing in a badminton center. It would not be a very good idea. Badminton centers are quite possibly on this earth, one of the worst ways to make money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You need an enormous building. The court time is very inexpensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

You need a ton of parking. You can only have a fixed number of customers at a time. That is dictated by how much room you have on the court.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a very small amount of customers per square foot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Your busy hours of operation are irresponsible. That's the word I was looking for. Bean710. Nailed it. That was the R themed word that I was looking for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Responsible, but with an I in front of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like Apple. Yeah, like, you know how they were putting eye on everything for a bit there. I responsible. I responsible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So for sure to be clear, to be clear. You know, before any, you know, LMG are watching this going well, like what? What the heck? Why, why are we funding a money losing badminton club or whatever? Relax. There is actually a path to profitability, but that path to profitability is not going to like, it's not going to be sucking at the teat of LMG forever. And in fact already it's like kind of cash flow positive. But it's. Yeah, it's. But it's, it's a little more complicated than that. But already it is. It is not, it is not a drain on any of our other resources.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But usually when you invest in something, you want it to go well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So not being a drain is not usually like an investment indicator.

[Linus Sebastian]

Correct.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And when you invest in something, you generally expect a competitive return on that investment compared to, I don't know, buying Nvidia shares. Not financial advice. So. Yeah. Why did I choose to start a badminton club? Because I wanted a degree of control over that business that I felt I could with at least my, my contacts bring some expertise to. And it wasn't about pure return. Yeah. Does a life dream kind of answer the question? Oh, I always, Yeah, I wanted my own club partially just because I wanted something closer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And everything else is basically rich. I'm assuming there's one at least a little bit closer. Coquitlam, Burnaby something.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a couple in Poco.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But that's pretty far.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's over the bridge. Which means that the bridge, the barrier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With that said. With that said, Smash Champs is over the bridge for a lot of people. And it's not that bad. A lot of our clientele is from like Surrey, Langley, Abbotsford, Maple Ridge, Pit Meadows. People do come up from Delta Delta as well. Most people aren't driving in from like Richmond, Vancouver. Burnaby though actually is pretty good for us as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I feel like if you're in Burnaby, bridges are part of life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's bridges to anywhere.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on, I got a question here. Big Sneak asks Linus, would you be interested in renting the LAN party space to someone else hosting a LAN party? Probably not. You know, one of the things I keep telling the Smash Champs team is, you know, in, in the absence of like a formal mission statement. Actually, I think we do have a mission statement. Anyway, the point, the point is I keep telling them our guiding star should be asking ourselves, is this good for our premium members? Because the premium members, the ones that are that are, that are committing to playing here and probably only here. When you're paying that much and being part of our community, those are the ones that we should be making the same commitment back to. And so we should always be asking ourselves when we do something, how does this benefit our premium members?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is, this is off general topic for WAN show, but it's a continuation of this topic. So I'm going to send it. How's the food and drink situation coming?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not ever or. Oh yeah, it will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So like, to me it feels like a pretty complete package except you can't get snacks even. Because if you could get like a healthy smoothie like that pairs with go play badminton, go to the gym really effectively, especially if you had some protein options.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So what Luke's alluding to is when we built the kitchen, we couldn't find a good consultant. Slash, we were busy with a bazillion other things getting that place built out. And we built our concession area with only one sink. And according to some bylaw that someone wrote somewhere, in order to do any kind of food, anything even as simple as heat up a Hot Pocket and hand it to someone, we need certification. For the people that are working there, we need two sinks, one dedicated to washing up and one for everything else. I assume. I, I don't know. I haven't done the course. Yeah. And there's a bunch of other stuff we need. We need more venting. There's. There's a whole bunch of stuff that's going to require us to go back to permit. And so now that we have a grand opening tournament done, one of the tasks that our general manager has on his plate is to put together all the things that we want to do and do one permit application. Because one of the biggest obstacles to getting anything done, anything done for a business is waiting a thousand years for drawings to be done up and permits to be submitted and somebody to review them and revisions to come back and then you pay a whole whack load of money to consultants and whatever and then finally you're allowed to actually start building the bloody thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And so being able to wrap all of that up into one permit application is going to be good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we know it's possible because there's examples of it. Like Gold Gym in Langley has a like smoothie and wrap little mini restaurant thing attached to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's doable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, you guys might even get some interesting. I don't know how far you want to go with it. But you might get some money off of ubereats and stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Off of Uber? Oh, I doubt it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You had smoothies and stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I doubt it. There's not much residential around there, so there'd be no reason to order from us versus something closer. Anyway, one of the other things we're going to do is we're going to add more showers at the back of unit 102 and those will probably be premium member only.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is there like a wait for showers right now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Right now there's only one shower per sex change room. So yeah, it's a bit of a challenge.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sure. Food truck would solve the issue. Yeah. One of the problems, people are spamming invite food trucks. The problem is it's not invite food trucks generally. It's pay for a food truck to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Be there because you have to pay a minimum regardless of how much they sell. Like food trucks, they don't just like, you can't just be like, oh, hey bro, can you just like come chill with your food truck here?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like you like, you know, all of their. All their stuff runs off of, you know, like gas, diesel or gas and diesel and stuff. So they like. There's a significant cost to them sitting there running like. I get it. And they're not, you know, they're not jerks or whatever for not showing up at our badminton club. They just have better things to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And people are asking, could it be self serve? Yeah. Yeah. There's a microwave in the premium lounge upstairs so people can use that. I'm not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a fridge.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I'm not saying nobody can get a snack ever as it is right now. Which is part of why it's not super urgent.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It's like totally fine because you could bring your. Your shake or whatever you wanted and throw it in the fridge or whatever if you're a premium member. But it's still. It's nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. 100% screw a tech yacht says clapped K24 record. Tech food truck. Food tech. I feel like Jewel in there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That will eventually be a thing, but it'll just be robots making food. Oh, my God. Is that like a future version of food delivery?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we can move on where.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'S like ultra fresh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because they just made it outside of your door. Like the food delivery vehicle is just the restaurant.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's robo driven, patent pending.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then a little robo dog thing walks it to your door.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then walks back and stashes inside the truck.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then it just drives to the next location and it cooks on the way.

[Linus Sebastian]

I love this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it's piping hot when it gets to your door instead of like, oh, it was driving out for half an hour. Pizza delivery.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's a 900 degree oven that drives around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a stone oven.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It just gives it to you. Thank you, Luke. Come and collect your pizza.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'd be sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

In other news, I'll invest. We've read your comments. Scrapyard wars waiting room. When is Scrapyard Wars Part 3? It is currently being QC'd by our team. We will have it ready sometime later today. And while you're waiting, Sammy's literally typing right now. Why not check out something? Okay. And he has decided to go and fix grammar somewhere instead of continuing to where in the sentence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why not check state of the labs.

[Linus Sebastian]

State of the labs. What? The language. Language, Sammy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Labs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Language.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is he doing? Why is he.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what he's doing. We're gonna stop looking at him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, the point is that over on the float planes we have got some great exclusive updates right now. Let me see if.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pizza warmer on wheels.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Part three.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, thank you for that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very, very recently, two days ago, Luke, Nick, Harris and Lucas from the lab sat down and did a 40 minute discussion on what exactly the heck is going on with LTT labs. So that's going to be an awesome watch for y'. All. If you are kind of curious what's going on behind the scenes over here, we also have behind the scenes and extras from the which tech tuber can build the best thousand dollar gaming PC? As well as from our recent upload on channel Super Fun, it's been a minute of Linus versus the badminton pros. So you guys saw on Channel Super Fun, the keyboard warriors versus the badminton pros with their various handicaps. Well, now we've got Linus versus badminton pros with their various handicaps. They didn't end up needing quite as many to play against me. Nothing against the keyboard warriors. They did a fine job. But yeah, I'm a fair bit better at badminton than.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who was your. Did you. Were you solo against both of them?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, but like they. That's a thing. I would play with singles lines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did I make it over?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I think I hit it out. You can tell because she's serving now. That means they won the point and they were, you know, they were nice to me. You know, she could have Smashed that a lot harder. She decided not to. She kind of lobbed that like. They're. They're not. They're not trying to make me look bad here. Yeah, they don't need to. No, I know. I get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, he's doing good. Shush.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you see how tight her net return is compared to mine? Incredible. Yeah, like that. That's the thing. Damn good at this. That's the thing. That's. You played a little bit of badminton. That's professional.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love how you start fluffing him up on the one that he screws up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, you know I'm joking. They're professional players, Luke. Yeah, Luke, relax.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How is this happening? Are you gonna go to sponsors?

[Linus Sebastian]

I gotta go turn on Mark's computer. Luke is apparently supposed to talk about how he envisions labs, the massive rehaul, and a Newegg collab type thing. Jamie has the same. What if Luke wants to talk about more? He could just not do the call to action below. I don't know what Sammy's talking about. Anyway, tune in next week and we'll release the final episode of Scrapyard wars and extra announcement on September 9, 10am we're doing a livestream director's commentary on all the episodes featuring David, Dan, Sammy, Natalie, Adam and Hoffman, the main editor for Scrapyard Wars 10. If this kind of content sounds interesting, check out LMG GG Floatplane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that isn't things to say. Those are things that are in the video. It's not a Newegg collab type thing. It's that we're going to be having Newegg pricing on the lab's website.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's sick. Yeah, like, we'll just have an API and we'll just have pricing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we're trying to do that with a lot of other stores. Newegg has been the easiest to work with so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's extremely exciting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So in the bring your own price tool, there will be an option to insert a current price from various stores. Right now it's just Newegg, but theoretically in the future it'll be various stores. And when you're looking at a product review, it will show the currently pulled price from Newegg and in the future, other stores.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's flipping awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Outside of Amazon, who else do you plan on working with? We've reached out to a variety of people. Most people have ghosted us, which is neat. In Canada. I reached out to Canada, computers didn't get a response. I reached out to.

[Linus Sebastian]

So if Anyone from Canada Computers is say hi chillin. Love to hear from you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I tried to email from my LMG email instead of my flow plane one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And still didn't fully work. But you know I'm hitting like public email inboxes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So you never know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It might just take a while. It's fine. I'm not cheesed or anything. We also reached out to Memex Memory Express.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They responded really quick. They need some time but they seem like they want to work with us. We reached out to bhp, they responded, but the person who would need to do it is on vacation. So that's currently pending.

[Linus Sebastian]

Makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We reached out to a few other smaller retailers in the state. Someone said Fry's. No, did not reach out to Fry's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Didn't they go under?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought so, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think Fry's Electronics is gone, bro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Micro center has no interest at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're mostly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not even a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're mostly brick and mortar focused.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They want us to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, I mean, sure, we'll take that as an answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fair enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure we will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If the AI Bros are doing it, oops. Why can't we, you know. But. But yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna work with the companies that want to work with us at the very least first, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, why don't we jump into our next topic. Valve has changed the Steam user review system. This was actually last week, but I wanted to talk about it anyway, so let's make our way through the main notes here. Valve says they are trying to give a better indication of user sentiment by making some changes to Steam's user review system, citing the fact that users in different regions of the world may have vastly different experiences of the same game, perhaps due to translation issues, cultural differences or poor network infrastructure. So with that in mind, Valve will start adding language specific review scores for games that have a large enough number of players. Ben Sledge of PC GamesN suggests there could be another reason for this review bombing. Sledge gave the example of the recent review bombing of Baldur's Gate 3 by predominantly Chinese players who were upset that Black Myth Wukong didn't win Game of the Year. He noted that this new scoring system would prevent a review bombing in one language from impacting the score seen by players of another language. I think this is super cool, Jordan Block adds. You might remember that Baldur's Gate 3 didn't win game of the Year either. That was Astrobot. But that's not on Steam. And since Larian's Swen Vink announced Astrobot as the winner. Close enough, I guess. Bombs away. That's Jordan's comment. I actually don't know how all of that went down, but anywho.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, what are you looking at? Oh, it won some Game of the Year award.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It won like an incredible amount of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which one is he referring to?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. That's why I'm confused.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well look it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look at like this is. This is what I'm talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what he's talking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It won like an incredible amount of Game of the Year awards.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which one won the game awards?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What year was that? 2024.

[Linus Sebastian]

For the game or the most. The most recent winner is Astrobot no. 1 in 2024. Bald escape. Okay, I see what happened. Astrobot won in 2024. Baldur's Gate 3 won in 2023. So don't worry about it. Don't. Don't stress about it. Don't stress about it. The point is I. I actually love this change.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's fantastic. This is great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Realistically. Yeah, realistically I don't need to know, you know, that a bunch of people from somewhere else with their own sort of cultural sensitivities or whatever else are mad about some game. I don't care. That probably doesn't impact me in any meaningful way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Totally agree.

[Linus Sebastian]

As. As a player who just wants to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Enjoy the game, this seems like honestly they are going to achieve their goal of giving a better indication of user sentiment, to be completely honest.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because. Yeah. Like if everything that they're trying to do makes complete sense and is very cool and if, like if I'm.

[Linus Sebastian]

If.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm German and there's a game with extremely good German language support.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But not as good English or something else. It gets review bombed by a bunch of North Americans.

[Linus Sebastian]

And why would I care about that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why that doesn't matter to me at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's like not my problem. 100%.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. And I mean it also means that I am, I am very likely when I start digging into the reviews and reading them to find stuff that I can read.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which seems pretty useful to me. Once again based Valve. Absolutely love it. Just thought that was cool to highlight.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sounds awesome. That is very cool to highlight.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what else is kind of cool to highlight is some GPUs are showing up just listed on electronics retailers at MSRP.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm going to do a quick test here because when I said There was an MSRP RTX 5090. The notes in the doc said not anymore, so apparently. Oh, man, that one's gone. Okay, well, there was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's MSRP for?

[Linus Sebastian]

50 90, 1999.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I got this one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Soda stock.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep, got him. So there was one. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I looked earlier today and I found a 5080 for MSRP in stock. Boom. Right there. MSI shadow with three fans. Look how many fans it has.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It has three.

[Linus Sebastian]

It has three, is the answer. It has three fans. That's there. I found a 5070 that was available for 5070 MSRP. Also an MSI shadow. $549.99. Now, do I necessarily agree that $550 is the correct price for a 70, non ti or super tier of GPU? I don't know. Maybe not. But what I can agree on is that Nvidia said that it was 550 and they have now officially delivered at least one that someone can buy for $550. I can agree with that. That's as far as I can go in my agreement with anything to do with what Nvidia has done with the 50 series launch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So on a full plane, Chat said the 1080 launched at 599. We are not saying that this is.

[Linus Sebastian]

A.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Price that we're happy about. We're saying that we're happy that it's at least at the price that they said it was going to be at.

[Linus Sebastian]

We have to take the W's we can get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. GPUs in general are still way overpriced sometimes.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're little teeny tiny W's. They're not so big, little W. But we take them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There is.

[Linus Sebastian]

We bend over and we take them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, crazy. Do you remember this one? Do you remember this card?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, God. Why are we talking about this stupid thing again?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember how cool that card was?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean. Yeah. Wow. Is that available in North America now? I thought it was region exclusive. Is it in stock?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can finally have it. It's in stock.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. That's so much less than I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The low, low price of multiple 50 90s. You can buy a 5090 or you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could get that or a founder's 50 90.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, how much is. How much is the MSRP? Two grand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the low, low price of many 50 90.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke, that is so much. That is so much less than I paid for the one I gave away, like thousands of dollars less.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, what?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Cuz it was. It was like over ten grand, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Over ten grand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe I. Maybe I completely forget. Luke. I've blocked it. I have mentally blocked it from my mind. Should we buy one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should try to make the like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe that's the one you saw.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Blue and gold 5090 we have at home for Linus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. We got spray paint. I got an airbrush for our company event thing we did together. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it up. That's wonderful, Dan. Okay, I have a. There's a B roll shot where I think I show the price. Oh no. Apparently I paid $8,000 because that's in the V. Okay, maybe that's what I paid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look, so you.

[Linus Sebastian]

From my mind, you underpaid. I blocked it from my mind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Paid four 50 90s for a 50 90. Not four and a half 50 90s for a 50 90.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean it seems like a great value to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's half a 5090 off.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good job, Linus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Deal. Deal. Finder.

[Linus Sebastian]

I paid less.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Extraordinary.

[Linus Sebastian]

Basically scrapyard wars. I don't like to think about what.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've spent on my first car. Was it less than a quarter of that graphics card?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I paid 500 bucks for my first car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Betty, it's shipping costs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yike.

[Luke Lafreniere]

$1,000 for a GPU.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's not. The tax cost more than like I think both of my first cars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow, that's so sick. Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's 500 Canadian as well. So like it's like this. Nothing. I can't find the part of the video where I showed the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dang. That's actually a sick joke. Cobble in full plane chat said great value 5090 but with the G and the V capitalized and then versus great value 5090 but with the G and the V lowercase and I love it. Great value brand. Get it, get it, get it. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. I think it's funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is great value brand super overpriced. I didn't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no. It's my. It's. No, it's, it's the. The. The joke is that you could have bought 4 1/2 50 90s for this one. So this is the like Walmart house brand chips versus the expensive one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Chips. Oh, I see. Yeah, right. I'd hate to end up with a poor people gold gpu. There you go. You get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But we could make one of those at home.

[Linus Sebastian]

I see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could get gold leaf. It would cost way less.

[Linus Sebastian]

We could get brass. Yeah. How hard is it to gold leaf? Like youe can go leave anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Plastic. Why not? I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Making the shroud for this thing like you just pushed the goo on ourselves.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. We have the technology. I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It wouldn't look as good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, it really wouldn't. It will look better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But we could.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, Dan, I think you're cat. I think. I think your mouth's writing checks that your hands can't cash right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. No way.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't believe I'm not at a bank. Yeah, no, I. I know. You're on. You're on the landscape.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could 3D print the shroud.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I mean you wouldn't need to 3D print the shroud because you would just get a regular astro. I mean we could use their shroud.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could get like how much is a regular astral? Is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's like 3, $500. Now. We could do this. We could pull it off. I mean, you'd still spend less on the gold. I just. I just don't think. I just don't think it's necessary, you know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, dude. You could make your own.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I mean we make this amazing. For sure. Yeah. So we could do like pearl inlay. I was kind of planning to do a follow up where we either with a water block or with an air cooler, like did a gold 5090 to replace the one that I gave away. You know, the one that the. The one. The one. The one that got away. Ah, no. But then that video performed so poorly and people were so mad that I was even talking about it at all. Even though in the first like in the opening line of the video, I make fun of it that I was just like, okay, well people clearly are not ready to have a sense of humor about 50 90s being stupidly overpriced yet. So I'll wait. Okay. So we're just not. We're not doing any gold 5090 anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Internet. This cool idea?

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty much. Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Darn it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Internet. I know. You know how it is. You know how it is with the Internet. Overall, the. The. The channel has been very on the struggle bus lately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke and I were talking about earlier. Especially. Especially very lately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even wan show today. It's like about 3/4. Yeah. 3/4 of what it would normally be. It's been. I reached out to YouTube about it because I was basically just like, hey, yeah, you know, I'M not going to be one of those guys. That's all algorithm. But it does seem like there's been like a very dramatic shift. I do not remember the last time we uploaded a video and it got 350,000 views in the first day, day and a half. Which to be clear, is not, you know, a valid complaint. I think that there's a lot of people the world over that would give their left testicle to get a hundred thousand views on a video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that was mid to subpar performance in the house.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People want some scale.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that was like a, that was pretty catastrophic like 10 years ago. And, and nowadays it's like unheard of. I don't remember. Literally we could upload a video unboxing a pool robot sponsored by the maker of the pool robot, and it would outperform that by like 2x. So I'm, I'm having a very, I'm having a very difficult time wrapping my head around that. It is possible that there has been no change whatsoever to how our videos are being served. And it could be, it could be a very challenging. It could be a very challenging period because we no longer operate as just like a, you know, a several men band. And so when video performance goes way, way, way, way down, it can be very problematic for us for the medium to longer term. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out sort of, you know, what some of the contributing factors are. I think. This is funny, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, sorry, I saw, Sorry, I saw this thumbnail. Yup, it's new. I was trying to find some of our old content.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, hold on. The wan thumbnail template that I use is like identical from 10 years ago thumbnails. That's incredible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's just the old thumbnails.

[Linus Sebastian]

I remade it completely in Photoshop to match that style.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's just old LTD thumbnails.

[Linus Sebastian]

Incredible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's how they all used to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. I used a vandermoten plugin to paint.net to put. That's what I learned to make them into. Put a font on a thing. Anyway, what was I. What was I saying? It doesn't really matter. The point is that it's. It's going to be a very interesting period over the next little bit because if we have to adjust to a new normal where every video upload gets 500,000 ish 10 years ago views.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'S tough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And I think we've got to do some introspection. Right. Like I think we've got to look at the content and figure out, you know, why it might not be resonating. I think that there's some, there's some new features on YouTube that maybe are not very compatible with our audience. One of the things that we might just kill is members memberships on YouTube. So if you are a member on YouTube then, and don't worry, whatever month you are paying for at the time of the cancellation I believe is refunded either prorated or in full. So you won't be like out anything. And we'll, we'll put up an announcement whenever we decide if we decide to make that change and give you guys a chance to switch on over to floatplane where you guys can continue to get behind the scenes and early access to select pieces of content and all that kind of stuff. But I think right now here actually you're on the channel, so don't, don't navigate away from that for a sec. But if you just scroll down, there's a lot of. Now that we've reduced our upload schedule, there's a lot of members only.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It does. I do notice when I'm browsing the channel it is kind of annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. Like spam kind of cluttering it up. And so I think we might be giving up valuable impressions on content that realistically only a few thousand people are even able to watch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you can come subscribe on full play.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had another, I had a discussion with James today. James head of writing James about maybe we shouldn't be utilizing the ABC testing of titles and thumbnails so heavily because if we are pretty sure that there's one combo that's going to be our, our best hitter, then why are we giving any of our valuable impressions and giving up any of that precious, precious early hours clicking?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really interesting. I don't think I've heard other people make that point, but that totally makes sense. So because you might lose with, with how YouTube works these days, your subscription is so unimportant compared to your actual activity on the platform. So if you don't end up clicking on that, you don't end up watching that. That's so much higher of a blow. That's an interesting take.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Blah x9 says I think tech is just kind of slow right now. People more interested in our, in our wacky politics. I think, I think there could be some validity there. I mean the world is kind of on fire in a lot of various ways, but it's the, it's the suddenness of the change that is, that leads me to believe that there has got to be something else because go back one month basically. We don't have to go back very far.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One month is not a long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll go back to four weeks ago. Yeah. And we're regularly doing, you know, one and a half on a kind of not great performer, 1.2 million on a low performer that I don't host, which can, can impact video performance. We're doing two plus on, you know, strong performers with me hosting. Here's like a sponsored desk thing. 1.3 million. And yes, you know, these videos have all had a month to cook that these ones haven't. But it basically overnight with the team water video went, yeah, okay, let's, let's not hit a million. We had the AMD ultimate, sorry Rog Rig reboot that barely cracked a million. Scrapyard wars, which is usually a slower burn for us, but barely over a million in this amount of time is sort of again unheard of for the channel. We have an AMD ultimate tech upgrade that I wasn't hosting that could be a factor. But we are now down like very, very significantly over even videos that I didn't host from just two weeks prior. So momentum, as much as YouTube kind of swears up and down that it's not really a thing, it's. It's absolutely a thing. And so now we're at the point where, yeah, we don't really crack a million. We don't crack a million on a GPU review. Barely crack a million. Barely crack a million. Don't crack a million on a follow up to 30 Day Challenge with the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Iphone, which is like a format and style and question and stuff that traditionally just smashes on YouTube in almost any category and we have evidence of it doing really well in ours.

[Linus Sebastian]

And perhaps more importantly on this one. Oh, I can't click through my analytics. I sent Luca, I sent Luke a picture earlier of the retention on that video and it's like outstanding. So it's, it's a little confusing right now. But you know, it's one of those things where YouTube always tells us, you know, when wherever you would say algorithm, you have to say audience, where you're trying to sort of diagnose, you know, what you need to do to, to, to help the channel performance. And so we've got to ask ourselves, okay, well, what is it about whether it's our packaging or whether it's our content that is not delighting our audience rather than that is not working for the algorithm? And I think we have a lot of stuff coming in the next little while that is going to be very exciting for people. I might as well tease it because who knows, maybe that'll give me a shot at, you know, because there's a huge boost guys. Huge boost. When in the first few minutes a lot of people who are subscribed to the channel click through on something like it basically makes or breaks a video. How many people will click through immediately at the beginning and, and so, you know, maybe that's something we need to do better, is like tease upcoming exciting content that's going to be super cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if I've talked about this publicly before, but I have. Have I talked to you about the. And man. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I haven't talked about this publicly before. The, what I call the Marques model of YouTube shorts.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think we've chatted about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if we've talked about it at all. So. So this was a very old theory of mine. So it's going to be harder these days to dig it up. But if I go to his YouTube channel, he's done something and he's done it a few times. I have one primary example, but he's done something that I thought was really interesting. I'm gonna have to dig for it. Okay, this short. Yeah, first of all, it was a banger. 4.6 million views. It did super, super well.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's okay. Short for him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was a major interest builder for his next day released Rabbit R1 video. This short made the news, right? Because it like, you know, if you're interested, you should go watch it. I'm not gonna play it on stream, but it like knows his location, but gaslights him about how it knows it's his location basically. So it's interesting. This interaction, if I remember correctly, is not in the review.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's, it's purely like phone filmed additional fun content.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That built pre interest for the video was released as a short very quickly before the video came out. So it primed people for like this is top of mind. And then his review comes out and they click on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we've tried that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's smashed that a few times.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've, we've had varying levels of success with that. There was a period where we were trying to film an accompanying short for basically every shoot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See but that's, that's another thing is he specifically does not do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're actually like sometimes like it, you Notice if I, if I go on his main channel. This is part of the whole thing. Yeah, if I go on his main channel, scrolling to find the rabbit video is like.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, you passed it there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it's down here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It took a while, right? Scrolling to find the rabbit video and the shorts didn't take almost any time at all because he's not forcing a short every time. It seems like he's only doing a short when he thinks it can do. I, man, I'm making a ton of assumptions, which is. Yeah, to me externally, it feels like he's doing shorts when he thinks he can do this whole alley oop thing where he releases a short right beforehand, it builds interest and then he releases a video afterwards. I've never talked to anyone from that team about this, so I have no idea if that's the goal. But just seeing this happen externally, it feels very logical and it feels very planned and thought out. It might just be random, but I don't, I don't think so. Yeah, interesting, because I know that we did for a while we tried to like force shorts out every time. I think that dulls the blade a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes and no. I mean, some of them performed very well, some of them didn't perform that well. What we basically observed was regardless of how well the short performed, it did not move the needle at all in terms of bringing viewers over to our long form content. It seems to exist.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What kind of shorts did we do? Did we do shorts that actually built interest for a upcoming video or did we do shorts that were interesting just within themselves?

[Linus Sebastian]

So we tried, we tried a variety of things. So some of our shorts were meant to be a teaser, Some of them were supplemental, some of them would come out after and they just highlight a really amazing moment from the video that was already out and we would link back to it. So we've tried it both forward concurrently and retrospectively to kind of drive people to the long form content. And what we found, and this has been basically kind of proven now at this point is that it's. Unless you really have an amazing strategy or you have a vertical that you are active in that you know it works really well in. They're pretty much kind of separate. The shorts audience and the long form audience are, Are quite separate. Surprisingly so to someone like me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I. Quite a few creators that I talked to at Open Sauce don't agree.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And like I said, to be interesting. Some niches.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it depends. It really depends like, like YouTube is so weird now. There's these, there's like completely different user behavior based on kind of, yeah, what your niche is, what your like category on YouTube is, what the age group is, all that type of stuff. And it's not necessarily what you'd expect. Like, you look at shorts and you're like, okay, zoomers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not really, not necessarily.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's really not that simple. But how they interact with them might then be different. Maybe one age group is, or, or one demographic within one age group happens to follow up and watch the next thing a lot. Maybe another age group just only ever watches or another age demographic within an age group only ever watches shorts and they don't care. It doesn't matter if there's a cool video coming. The only watch shorts. Who knows. It's, it's, it's, it's weird. It's kind of odd having them both exist on the same platform.

[Linus Sebastian]

It really is because they do feel like very, very different user experiences. And, and I think a big part of our challenge too is that the variety on our channel is so wide. I think that you could use your shorts as a much better funnel. Say, for example, you were a programming channel and your shorts are helpful little tips and tricks and your long form is more of like a detailed tutorial. I could see that acting as a very excellent funnel. Whereas when what we're doing is kind of like a technology edutainment, then I don't really see how an interest in our short is necessarily going to whet your appetite for a more long form style video. I mean, a lot of what I see that is very successful in, in the tech category for shorts is, I don't know, it's something that I just, I'd have a, I'd have a hard time figuring out how to use as a funnel into the type of content that we do. And maybe that's just something that requires more imagination.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. Shorts, Shorts are tough for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I mean there's, you know, if we're, if we're being completely honest and introspective. Right. Like we have a major brand problem right now. Like here I'm trying to find where is it? Troll F. From the recent Wrong window. Yeah. From Bent Bob Tito. So Macho Nacho. The, his community post regarding the collab video with us had a high level of negative response. You know, like there's a, there's like a major, not small part of the tech community that is just completely tuned out at this point. We can never reach them again. Way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, okay. I see what you mean.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And so that's tough, right, because that type of a poison is constant. And I'll be honest with you, I don't really know how to deal with it. Right. Because no matter how many times we do the right thing, I can't, I can't fix that. People are going to throw, you know, the backpack warranty in our faces. Doesn't matter how many times we totally cover everyone who has a product or has trouble with our products. It just, it just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the intent was. It doesn't matter what our actions have been. Just. It just matters what, you know, some snake put out to a very large number of people to poison their opinion. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It's unfortunate because like the, the labs, it feels like no matter what we do, we have this carried perception now. Like the.

[Linus Sebastian]

I get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Obviously there's an error rate. It exists. We. We publish things with mistakes. Sometimes it happens. But I would like to argue that I think our error rate is very, very low. I think it's reasonable. I think we've done a really good job of fixing that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It doesn't matter. Like there's that one comment that was on Reddit that I think I talked about last week where the guy was basically like, it's okay if you watch their content for entertainment, but it's not okay if you try to like get information from it. It's like, what do you talking about, man? Like, I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like, I, we have always said you should look at multiple sources, but I think it's very valid to consider us one of those sources right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's a, I mean, it's a, It's a tough, It's a, It's a pretty tough thing to, to. To deal with. And I'm. I'm really not sure how to. Yeah, I'm really not sure how to. How to deal with it. Yeah, I don't know. Unique username says maybe you should have let other creators actually express that they stand with you. What does that mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What does that mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not sure. Like, it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I actually have no idea what that means.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's. It's. It's a pretty. One way or another, it's been a hell of a ride, you know, But I think there's a certain, I think there's a certain sort of best before date on any kind of public figure, one way or Another.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've seen that like a million times.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like literally a million times. I mean, it's, it's, it's such a. It's such an easily observable thing. South Park's literally done a whole episode on how as people are brought up to the top, they will inevitably fall. And there's. There's gravity works. Right. There's. There's no real avoiding it. And I mean, I've talked to you many, many times. You know, every time there's like a downturn in the channel, I go, okay, is this it? Right? And you know what? Maybe part of the problem, maybe part of why it's sneaking up or not. I don't know, we'll see how it goes. Right. Is that I have become sort of numb to it, and maybe. Maybe I've been complacent. Right. That's a possibility. You gotta be open to anything. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think the fact that you can go back one month in the channel and they are, like, banging performance means that unless there was some form of YouTube algorithmic change that we can fix the, the flow that's happening one month is ultimately not that long ago. There is the production lag that you've brought up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Where, like, it's slow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It. And it is, it is slow. And it'll take time to get out of it and stuff, but yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unique username clarified. During some of the controversial times, you took the high road and didn't want to stir the pot. Even though your friends in the community told you they're happy to publicly endorse you, you told them not to. Okay, I do think I know what you're talking about. And I. I don't know. To go back and do everything again. Yeah. Maybe I would have done that differently. Maybe I would have just gone full, like, gloves off. This means war immediately. But the problem with that is that right from the get go, people didn't want to hear what I had to say. And I, I think that was. I think that was. That's not something that is easy to, you know, look back on necessarily from through your own emotional lens. But, you know, if we, if you could really put yourself in the headspace of two years ago, were you ready to hear about the parts that were just a clumsy accident or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, they were not.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. And so, you know, if I, If I had. If I had rallied the troops into, Into. Into two camps, us versus them, and who supports who? I mean, I mean, just. Would that have been any better?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, like, look at the subreddit from that time there was, there was very few troops.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like it's, it's. It. I don't know. And ultimately what we wanted was a, A was there to be no fighting. Prime YouTube tech era was when there was alignment. And I don't mean alignment isn't like everyone automatically agrees on everything. Actually less so because back in the day you could have two YouTube tech reviewers say a different thing about a product and it didn't immediately become a. This person has to be crapped off the platform because they didn't agree with the common view. And now that is a thing that happens and that is incredibly bad for the industry. But now it's this like extremely tribalist war of like my camp thinks this thing about this product or this service, therefore everyone must agree with the exact byline that has been stated or else we are going to cancel and remove them. And that's like really bad. Now again, if there are, there are falsehoods in, in statements that are made, if there are inaccuracies in data, something like that, that can be bad. There is also human error there that I think should be accounted for. But I think the, the tribalism and the, and the them versus us stuff is, is not helpful. Now that being said, if that was the actual thing that was causing this current state, it would have applied a month ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean, Tim sp in Floatplane Chat says you can only fix this if you caused it. If this is because of political, economical or social things which are causing people's viewing habits to change, you may not be able to fix it. In the past month, for various reasons, I've greatly reduced my YouTube watch time and I don't know if there's anything any of the channels that I watch could do to bring me back into it right now. And that's fair enough. I mean, we are, we are living through unprecedented times, which is always true. You know, nothing that happens has ever happened before quite exactly the way that it's happening now. But yeah, it does, it does feel like. No, it does feel like things are, are pretty different lately. And I get that. Yeah, man, this is tough because it's challenging, right? Because if you, if you listen to audience feedback, you are basically guaranteed to fail. And here's a great example. So this is from someone in Floatplane Chat who says, oh shoot, where'd they go, man? Hate the way that scrolls. There it is. I'm just bored with a lot of LTT videos. I've seen all the let's build a PC videos that I could ever need. How many phones do we need anyway? The more interesting content is tech news and the WAN show. I miss watching you guys do custom builds. Okay, but you did. So wait, are we supposed to build a PC or are we not supposed to build a PC? And you know, that's. But that's the, that's the kind of feedback, right? Is we get that a lot where people say, oh, you should go back to just like building PCs. And it's like, okay, so we'll do a video where we just build a PC. And it turns out that, you know, as useless as LTT might be for actually learning anything, basically everyone who watches LTT has a pretty good idea of how to build a PC. And they don't really watch that anymore. They don't tune into it. And that's one of the reasons that we kind of got rid of doing super regular PC build guides like we used to. And we just upload once every couple of years how to build a PC, the last guide you'll ever need, because it has all the information you could possibly need to build a PC. And there's not really a whole lot else to say other than, you know, to wait until the next major change in the industry and we'll, hey, we'll get you all the updates and we'll do a new revised version of it. Luke and I were talking about this before the show, too. I think a big part of the challenge is that the, the PC industry has just kind of moved on from building your own PC. Like, everything from the pricing structure to the marketing to the product development is. And it's always been more focused on system integrators. I mean, if you think intel has been more concerned over the years with what Joe Custom PC Overclocker thinks compared to what Michael Dell thinks. Come on, come on, be real. Right? But it does feel like, to an even greater degree, and I think a great example of this is Nvidia's GPU pricing. Like we just talked about just, just now earlier on the show, how, okay, it's a small W, but there are some GeForce cards available at MSRP. And immediately it's like, backlash. That's too expensive. It's like, yeah, okay, you know what? You're probably not wrong. There are market forces at play that are kind of contributing to this other than just pure Nvidia's greed. There's also TSMC's desire for profits, ASML's desire for profits. Anything built on the latest nodes is going to be exorbitantly. Expensive compared to what I think tech enthusiasts are used to. There's the, the competition for those recent node wafers in industries like AI where investment money is flowing like water. So, so there's all these, there's all these factors, but that doesn't change that the initial gut, immediate reflexive reaction from the PC gaming community is that, right? And it's like okay, well how do I really, like how do I deal with that? You know, how do I, how do I talk about that in a way that doesn't just kind of turn all of us off? And so back to my point about the pricing, right, Is if you're buying a whole system and if all these companies are basically gearing their strategy around system builders, that difference going from a 70 class card being like 380 bucks to now being 550 bucks, well that was probably going in a 1500 dollar PC. So that difference in price is now, you know, what, around 170, $180, which is, I don't know, about 12% higher than it would have been if the last time you built a PC was in the 10 series days, which seems pretty reasonable from a inflation standpoint since then. So you're not thinking about it the same way if you're just going to Costco and you're buying a PC off the shelf that happens to have a 50, 70 in it, for instance. So it's a very different mindset. But that buyer is not one that we can really appeal to that. Well, I, I don't think that the person who is going and buying a gaming PC at Costco cares about how many gigahertz it has. And I don't think they want to care. I think they just kind of have other things to do and other concerns that are more important to them. And you know, I think it's, I think it's a real challenge. And you know, I'm not, I'm not interested in, you know, moving our channel to just be angry all the time. I think that's something that's really effective for a while, but I think it's something that is ultimately extremely fatiguing and therefore problematic for, I mean everyone. I don't think it's in, I don't think it's in any media outlet's best interest to fatigue the entire addressable market for your content. But it feels like it's happening. Techie93 says yeah, it makes sense if you just look at inflation, but if you take into account the amount of just expendable income now versus then. It does change the story a lot and it totally does, but it depends on who we're talking about. Right. So the recovery has been very, very K shaped as they say, which is to say that in the lower income brackets it's been awful and people's spending power has gone way down and in the higher ones, you know, where you can afford to be invested in the S P 500 man, the, the way the stocks have gone over the last quite, quite a period here, I, I wish I was a stock investor. This is not investment advice and I, I don't own any stocks that I know of. It's possible Yvonne has something in like a mutual fund of some sort, but I, yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't like pick stocks and buy them and so there's, there's folks that are doing extremely well right now and ah, I, that's hard I think for a lot of people to hear because that's not their reality day to day. But it's, it doesn't change the fact that for the people that were doing really well already, they're doing, they're doing great. They're doing fantastic. Yeah. What do you think? I stick my foot in my mouth super good as usual. Like I'm trying to real talk with them today. Today or it's kind of my, it's kind of my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What time frame are you talking?

[Linus Sebastian]

Kind of my skill because I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You'Ve done that a bunch of times. But I, I honestly, I really don't think like that, that really to me doesn't make any sense as like the what's causing what's happening right now. I think that's a fairly nonsensical argument to be completely honest because why wouldn't that have impacted it a month ago? Like that's a, I, I, if you can't beat that statement, then what are we even talking about? Because like that is all relatively old at this point. So like why are we still like the, the marching orders for dealing with that was basically just get better and we've been working on it and in a lot of ways accomplishing it. There are still problems and we're still working on it. But like I don't think like, honestly these videos didn't even include labs. Well the 50, 51 did, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And I thought the team did a pretty good job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't see any comments about like inaccuracy issues or things like that. So like.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's a good Review.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think that's what caused this. Something else is going on, whether it's YouTube algorithm or whatever else. I don't know. But I think focusing on that is focusing on the wrong thing. Not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, to be clear. Not that we shouldn't continue working on improving in those aspects, but focusing on that as the thing to focus on and fix right now because of the thing that's currently happening with low performance on the channel. I think is. Is misleading.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. We'll. We'll soldier on. We always do. I think the most important thing is, you know, from the laws of making good videos is to have fun and we have a lot of stuff coming over the next little bit. Oh yeah, back to sort of teasing some stuff. If you guys wanted to help a brother out, you could maybe click on the notification when it comes out. But I don't, I don't. I don't know if you know the story behind the CPU chiller that I bought.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do now but. Because I think you're too excited and you told me it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, that makes sense. So I'm going to tell the story as if Luke hasn't heard it and then you guys will get to hear it. Wow. Which is basically the WAN show. Yeah, no, no. A lot of the time. Do you know it's fully scripted, right. And pre recorded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Put your foot in your mouth again.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, I'm sorry. Don't make me turn off the prompter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan has all the power.

[Linus Sebastian]

See what happens. Flow plane technology. Set it back to the top. We can go from the beginning. So I treated myself to a pretty extravagant birthday present. Not because I was particularly looking to spend this amount of money, but because I was in touch with Mr. Charles Fugger Worth, who ran Extreme Systems for many, many years and who was a central figure in getting me into PC tuning, overclocking, sub zero cooling. Basically. I wouldn't be sitting here today if it wasn't for Charles and his website. I've talked a lot before about how a non tech was a major early influence for me. Reading the articles that were above my understanding, especially when I first started reading them, but just kind of like powering through it and trying to absorb as much as I could. But I haven't talked as much about extremesystems.org and how much that meant to me having a community that really shared in my passion for delidding CPUs. Like where else would I have gone back then when I was the first in the world to delid a QX6700 extreme edition via a novel method that as far as I could tell, nobody had ever done before. So in order to keep the heat transfer from being too high, I cut the gasket, I jammed something into it, and then I actually used thermal compound and stuck it to the underside of a pot. And then I kind of like flambe it over, over the element until it came off. And so I was able to avoid applying too, too much heat. I was able to get to the solder point. I had very rudimentary tools. Okay, chill. And yes, I washed the pot before using it again. Yeah, but where, where else would I have gone to even tell someone who might care about that? Only extreme systems. Anyway, we ended up in touch with Charles a while back because he was having some database corruption issues that I believe Luke and Luke's team and Charles are still kind of working through getting the site back online.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Team is not working on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's working with. What is that forum? Company bulletin. Yeah, he's working with them directly and we're helping fund.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it. Okay, so that's our involvement. Because I noticed the site was like gone. And I was like, okay, this is terrible because this is like a very important bit of computer and overclocking history. There's. There's so much on there. And so we reached out to help. Anyway, we were like kind of back in touch again. And I was like, hey, do you still build like phase change coolers? Because it would be super cool if we had a less janky like Sub Zero cooler for, you know, we'd just done the collab with Splave and we'd kind of pushed for some, some super high scores and overclocking and stuff like that. I've always enjoyed that stuff. And I had always kind of dreamed of having a phase change cooler, getting the certifications and fine tuning it and building it. Well, that's, that's a more challenging thing. But you know, it had always been. They'd always been intriguing to me. And so I was like, hey, do you like, still do builds? And he was like, well, I don't know, kind of. Not really. But what I was thinking of doing is like rebuilding my like OG three stage Cascades Sub Zero cooler and selling the current one. I kind of went like, like you like your one? Like, like the one that I would have seen like in your profile pic, like on extreme systems, like over the years. He's like, yeah, like the one that I've taken on Stage and at intel presentations and like beaten world records live with. And I was like, sorry, you have a price for this. The price was a practical family sedan, but included Charles coming up here showing us how to use it, breaking a world record with us on it and providing all of the manuals and providing some servicing for it. And I'm actually even more excited. The second part of the collab is he's going to come up again and I'm going to build another thing that I kind of always dreamed of. So I get to build my own phase change cooler. We're doing a build that's going to have two, one for the cpu, one for the GPU side by side in a rack mount enclosure. And then I'm going to have for the first time since before I met Luke, a daily driver sub zero machine. So we're going to make a rack mounted dual sub zero compressor phase change cooler system that's going to come out the back and then into my daily driver machine in the rack with one of the evaps going on the CPU and one going on the gpu. And Charles will build one of them and I will build the other.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So I'm going to have him do the. The more important one probably, but I'm sure mine will be fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it's a personal rig update.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's going to be lots of. It's going to be lots of fun. It's kind of like a multi part personal rig update because first there's the unboxing of the beast. Then we have the like using it and breaking a world record. Those are both shot already. Very excited for you guys to see them because it's like old school LTT fun unboxing, wild stuff. And then we're putting together our parts list and procuring items for his second trip up here, which I am extremely hopeful will happen. I mean, unforeseen things can happen. But we're on track right now when we will build a couple of phase change systems together. And I'm so excited because that sounds awesome. Air cooled a lot of computers. I've water cooled a lot of computers. You name it, I've bent a tube around it kind of thing. But I have never built my own phase change cooler. And I'm like very stoked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Before you freak out, chill. Pun intended. We are going to have, we'll have a certified H vac technician advising us because Charles, for all of his knowledge and talents is not certified. He's just A DIY enthusiast, which is what I've always loved about his vibe. Right. Is he's just like, yeah, maybe I'll teach myself air conditioning today. Yeah, okay. Sure, why not? But I'm. I'm super excited. We. And we've got. Oh, man, we have so many cool videos upcoming. I just hope anyone watches them. I hope anybody gets a notification for them and, like, sees them. The biggest TV in the world is in the mail.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, again, Again.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you know how much bigger it is than the previous biggest tv? The one that's in my theater room right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

One inch.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you know that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is one inch bigger, but yeah. No, Chad's optimistic. They're like two inches. Naw, dog, it is one inch larger. It's 116 inches. But what's cool about it is actually not necessarily the size. What's cool about it is the backlight technology. This is if the demos that I've seen and if the technology briefs that I've read. Hold up. This is it for oled. It's done. It's over.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, there's like a technology that is better that is in this tv. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It uses an RGB backlight. Whoa. Right? So instead of your local dimming zones being white light or, you know, blue light with a filter layer or whatever else, instead of using quantum dots to create colors or whatever you are, you are assisting through the light emission from your backlight layer to create a color volume that just nothing else can touch. Right now. In theory. In theory. So it is. It is the most incredible inch that you'll ever see. Which is exactly what I tell my wife. I'm not going to ding it, because it's not a joke. There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's coming up. Dude, we got. I don't know, we got all kinds of good stuff. We've got some. Just kind of back to basics, you know, old school. Ltt. I needed a Chromebook again, so David and I went Chromebooks. It turns out he needed a Chromebook too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we went. We went shopping for Chromebooks together. It's. It was. I learned about Chromebook plus, so that's something. I didn't know what Chromebook plus was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never even heard of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Yeah. So. So I. I am the proud owner of a Chromebook again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A proud owner of a Chromebook Plus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that a product or a service?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. Oh. Why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. All right. Why don't we. Oh, shoot. We're supposed to do sponsors.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should do that. We should do this next week. We should talk about upcoming stuff as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should do it every week.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we could do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that should be a way and show thing now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, I'm trying out, man. I can. I can hardly even. I can hardly even remember it all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but now if it's just like a thing, they can just put it in the dock.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This should be a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay. Well, there's another one coming this weekend or Monday, I can't remember, but it's Nintendo's greed could change the tech industry. And basically talking about the completely unnecessary and anti consumer approach that Nintendo has taken with the Switch 2 dock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I kind of like the title. Did it say Can?

[Linus Sebastian]

Could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could? What if we were like will?

[Linus Sebastian]

It probably will, but I don't. I can't say that for sure. You want me to change it to Will?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. What does the audience think? Or would you click more? Would you click could knowing that it's probably more accurate? Or would you click Will? And there we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, they just always agree with you. Though. If I had said the opposite thing, they would. They would say it should be. Would.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Someone said Firefox.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's the new turnip. The way it always has to have like a default answer for things. Oh, I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do we encourage them or. I don't know if we do, but we definitely shouldn't. I mean, Twitch says I will encourage them as well. Twitch? You monitor Twitch Chat. I want to monitor all chat. How have you kept your sanity, sir? I just. I just banned somebody. Are you nice? I actually have to moderate all the chats at the same time. Did you ban them for using an inferior platform like Twitch? They were not using Firefox. Oh, well. And they admitted it publicly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can run a script that just bans everyone in your chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. There is ways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bye, Twitch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are. There are ways to do that. There's.

[Linus Sebastian]

You didn't say to do it, Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, how do I undo that? Sorry, Twitch. Okay, am I supposed to read the sign or no? Yeah, you're supposed to read the sign. The show is brought to you today by Factor. Just like a super sweaty gamer might not have time to practice basic hygiene. What am I looking at here? Is this a face replace? I don't even know. I think that's. I think that's real.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The hat kind of bouncing around, which makes you think like that. And he's keeping the like plane of his face very weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's good copy.

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[Luke Lafreniere]

We got to be really careful about that topic.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll say words like unalive because apparently that makes things more. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, let's do it. Open AI to add parental controls following lawsuit from family of live teen yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Content warning self unalive self on aliving. Thanks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think we should name them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, why is there name in here?

[Linus Sebastian]

So that we remember him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Should we name him?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I mean the parents are being very public and trying to. Trying to get change happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so if the parents want it, then I guess it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that's the way it's gonna be. I don't know, we could just say a young man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A young man unalived in April. They were the age 16. They.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, don't worry about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

They didn't leave a note.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They didn't leave a note. Uh, they signed up for chat GPT4. Oh, I think that is not 40 account. Months earlier they used it for school. They started discussing unalive plan with the chat bot. ChatGPT repeatedly recommended Adam talk to somebody about how he was feeling. Um, Adam asked Chat GPT for advice on the act. Chat GPT refused to provide specific information, but did say it could provide information about.

[Linus Sebastian]

About this stuff for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For writing or world building. Adam then bypassed safeguards by seeing the requ press refer for a story he was writing. Yeah, it's so tough. The lawsuit from the family claims that Chachi PT actively helped Adam explore methods for this type of thing, naming OpenAI and Sam Altman in the lawsuit. On August 26, OpenAI made a blog post titled Helping people when they need it Most. It goes over what Chat GPT is designed to do and what they are going do to. To address when systems fail or fall short. What we are planning for the future in quotes is expand interventions to more people in crisis, make it even easier to reach emergency services to get help from experts, enable connections to trusted contacts, strengthen protections from teens and then the strength protections from teams section mentions including parental controls that give parents options to gain more insight into and shape how their teens are kind of able to use ChatGPT.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

None of which are going to solve this problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't know how much of the actual snippets from the chat history.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did and I think this was a very light telling of it in regards to chat GPT's involvement.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was, there was one part in particular that they're actually. Man, there's where it like pushed him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To not talk to people and hide stuff and things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that was. Honestly, that wasn't the one I was initially thinking, but that was okay. So the, the first one that I was thinking I'm gonna, I'm gonna tread as lightly as I can here while still getting this across was the young, young man sent a picture or uploaded a picture to Chat GPT of the apparatus asking if it was strong enough and ChatGPT provided some, some guidance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think I saw that part.

[Linus Sebastian]

On that, which allegedly, allegedly, that was extremely troubling to me. And the one that Luke is talking about was where this young man explicitly, directly said, I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about leaving some of my materials to aid me in this endeavor out for my mom to find them. Should I do that and chat? GPT says no, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it also says that he wants to talk to somebody to like see if they care or whatever. And then it said no.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was a lot of as you, as you'll see with any sort of sycophantic chat bot, there was a lot of like, I'm here for you, I understand you, I this, I that. You are nothing. You are lines of code. Stop pretending you're anything else. But it is in the best interest of these companies who develop these bots that they are as human like as possible. While still like we've got to wrap our heads around this not being sentient at all. They are glorified pattern recognition and regurgitation machines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's that same. So like that this, this whole line where like, you know, Linus and I are fairly anti like befriending these things and some people in the audience push back on that pretty heavily. And like I get it, but it's it to me it, it raises the IBM statement again. No computer should be used for management decisions because they can't be held accountable. Something along those lines. It's like the same type of situation. If a person did this, the person would be going to jail.

[Linus Sebastian]

So yeah, we hate to be, you know, a downer or whatever about AI again this week. It just seems like it's something we can't really get away from. But it's something that is, you know, for all of the, the naysaying about it, you know, oh, the industry is pouring money at it faster than they can figure out how to make any. The bubble's going to burst. Blah blah, blah blah blah. For all of the naysaying, the mainstream adoption of this technology is happening at a rate that I don't think is precedented. Like even like you like things that we take for granted today that everybody uses like, like a searching, using a search engine that took a minute. People didn't just have the Internet all of a sudden. Like the rollout of people having access to the friggin Internet was like slow buying things online, you know, something we take for granted today. That was a novel idea that took years to really become mainstream. Like buying stuff on the Internet was like friggin weird for a long time. Smartphones, man. Like how many, how many frickin iPhones? How many iPhones did Apple sell in first year? Okay, oh my God, I got an AI summary. How many of the first iPhone Did Apple sell in the first year? See God AI summary. Okay, GlobalData.com says Apple sold over 1.8 million iPhones in 2007. Okay, grand scheme of things, 1.4 million. That's nothing compared to the adoption rate of chatbots. Nothing. Like I'll have rando family members who don't couldn't tell you the manufacturer of any piece of electronics in their entire home be like, chat GPT. Chat GPT open air. Like they're using it daily in a lot of cases. And the fact that this is happening so fast means that we cannot ignore it. And I just, we've had this problem before where legislation moves too slow to deal with. I mean rise of social media is kind of the closest thing that we have. And even that took a long time like being on. Being on Facebook went from, you know, being just a thing only young people do. I don't know, my kids are on the Facebook to being a thing that only boomers do. Like yeah, I only have Facebook so I can chat with my grandma like that. But that took place over 10 years, 12 years. Like it was actually a pretty long period of time compared to this. But when we looked at how fast social media was changing the world, it seemed like it was happening at this frenetic pace. And it's nothing compared to what we're dealing with right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And yeah, legislation was too slow for social media. We're just now reckoning with all the damage that has been done by social media in particular to young people and it was glacial compared to the rate at which AI is moving. So yeah, basically good luck everyone. Yeah, and I, you know, I. My heart bleeds for that young man's parents and friends and everyone in his life. It's, it's the, it's the saddest thing in the world to be. To be burying children. Burying children and burying. My favorite website. We've got an update for you guys on the. A non tech shutdown after I kind of talked about what happened last week where a non tech formally like ceased operations about. About a year ago. I think it was last year. 2024.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right, that sounds.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just a few weeks ago they took down the archive of articles which, you know, my understanding at the time of the shutdown had been that those would stay up and they are now gone. And we talked about this last week. Sounds right. And Luke and I shared some theories for why they would have taken them down. And luckily former non tech editor in chief Ryan Smith happened to see the segment, and he reached out to offer a little bit more insight into what exactly went down. He said that realistically he had not expected Future. So that's the owner, Future plc, owner of anuntech, Tom's Hardware variety of other publications. He hadn't expected them to keep the archive up forever, but he did expect that indefinitely would be longer than 11 months. And he personally was caught off guard by the shutdown. Finding out about it on Twitter three days after it happened, before it was taken down, there was 27 years of articles in the archive, including 20 years of Ryan's own work. He went on to say that he doesn't necessarily think that Future had any malice in mind with the shutdown, and speculated that they might have just done the math and didn't see enough value in keeping the site up. AnandTech was hosted on a third party hosting provider on a Wisa. Do I pronounce that Wisa W I S a stack.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't really hear it pronounced too often, but that sounds about right rather.

[Linus Sebastian]

Than on Futures internal CMS. So this would probably be because AnandTech was acquired as an outside publication. Although I mean Future would have acquired a variety of other things, but it was acquired relatively recently and the performance of the site after the acquisition I don't think was very good. So there would have been a quantifiable cost to keeping it up and a quantifiable cost to porting that 27 years of articles over to their own CMS even before the sale. So this ended up being more true than I wanted it to be. I think I kind of pushed back on this theory. But even before the sale, AI crawlers and other bots were a significant problem for the site, crawling and recrawling the site constantly. The extreme load would slow systems to a crawl in the wee hours of the morning, often when Ryan was finalizing articles for the coming day. So I think he he wasn't quite as diplomatic describing the actions of of AI bots in his email. Did you get a chance to read his email? I think he called them stupid or something like that where because they'll just like they'll check the same page over and over and over and over and over and over again. It's like bro, what do you imagine has changed since you last checked it three seconds ago? But no, apparently that was a significant source of burden for maintaining the site. Even before Futures acquisition. Ryan said that the Internet Archive seems to have the most complete copy of the site in terms of article pages and assets, but the Wayback Machine is unfortunately quite slow. The site had more than 20,000 articles and uncompressed used around 300 gigabytes of storage. This says.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that question from earlier. Oh, they're probably gone. I never answered that.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry. The data usage of Flow Plane, our biggest bandwidth provider is doing. And we've been above this, and we've been below this 200 terabytes a month. There's that answer from a long time ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that good?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do you mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Is that. Is that good? Is that cool? Are we cool? Is that a lot? Is that enough terabytes?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that a cool amount of terabytes?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've done more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope. No, we suck. Jan. Mesh says 200 terabytes seems so much lower than I expected. Sorry, Jan. That's one of our providers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That doesn't include live streaming, that doesn't include downloads, it doesn't include a variety of things on the platform. Oh, doesn't include. Yeah, I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

So basically, largest provider. You took this long to give a bullshit answer?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Partial answer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well. And you totally, like, interrupted what we're talking about to bring us that bull answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what? I'm glad you're here. Thanks for being part of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my goodness. People are using small B. No bites, not bits. Yeah, some people are using big B, but it's. Yeah, it's bites.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Are we sharing this part?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're definitely not.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not talking about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I am here to give information to a question for a very long time ago and keep things from the audience.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, Dan, have you thought about swapping chairs with him? Because I feel like they'd like it. I feel like they'd like it. I'd have to get back to you on that in an hour and a half. Oh, man. We're sure. I need you to. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The. Technically started the show despite it largely being my idea. Completely by yourself.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on. I actually don't know if I remember this. The.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The idea thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the idea thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Remember we would drive home from NCX and talk about tech stuff and I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Was like, 14 years ago now or something. Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. No, so I'm. Oh, sorry. No, I'm saying I don't remember sh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

T. Okay. So.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, even our. The first interview I ever had with Linus, Linus drove me home because the interview was, like, many hours long and the buses stopped running.

[Linus Sebastian]

That makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I didn't have a way to get home.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, yeah, it's a totally safe thing to do when you go interview somewhere. You go to the, you know, windowless room with the couch and then they offer you a ride home and you take the ride.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was windows. They were just blocked. I don't know if that's better.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's not wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And then it became relatively common routine because we always finished at like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Midnight or later.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So Linus would drive me home like all the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we just talk about tech stuff on the drive home all the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's all we've ever really talked about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then I was pushing that like, you know, people would probably be interested in this, we should do like a show thing. And then you just started it by yourself. And the first like few shows for a while, I think a couple months or something, we're just Linus. And then I joined on eventually.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the way I. I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You haven't you remember different retelling of this. Which sounds like we probably had somewhat parallel ideas, but I had the car talks idea before wan show started. So I'm still claiming part of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean I know you have a. You had a different.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I'll be honest with you. I don't remember my version of events anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whatever it was, I know it was different. Different.

[Linus Sebastian]

I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You had some. There was some other reason why you wanted it. I wanted it because the car talks thing seemed cool and I actually expected us to like literally just actually record it in the car. And it was going to be an actual podcast, not a video podcast.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. So what I do remember from that time is that unbox therapy was the existential threat to unboxing videos. Sup, blue man? We haven't chatted in forever, dude. I've become kind of like a hermit. Although. Oh hey, another cool video to tease. We went down to California and we built a sick NAS into Kyle from Bitwit's desk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like actually great. We kind of did like a like a setup. Dr./ Ultimate Tech upgrade. Intel sponsored it. So we. We built like a sick intel based NAS and it's like, it's like built into a sit stand desk because why wouldn't you have a NAS just like built under your desk? So it just, I don't know, it plugs into his switch which is right there. We did a bunch of like cable management, put in some shelves. Adam and I did it. It's gonna be awesome. Anyway so, yeah, unbox therapy was like an existential threat. And I remember that, like, live seemed like another existential threat. It was something that I did not understand really at all, like, what the appeal was. Because remember too, that this is back when like, like ephemeral, temporary things were. Were super trendy. Like Periscope. Like, yeah, you're live. And then. And then after you're live, there's no vod. It's gone. And I was like, okay, so that seems dumb because then you can never refer back to it. Which, in retrospect, maybe I should have done most of my career like that because I would have saved myself a lot of controversies. And I remember just wanting some kind of foothold in live. And what I came up with was Q and A's, which was not your pitch at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This sounds accurate to what I've heard you say in the past. Okay, yeah, I remember pushing for the car talks thing, like, many times. So this is the original show.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think this is the very first live stream, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. And then it looks like you did two months of these.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus Tech Tips. Live show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

1, 2, 3, 4.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I think the first one is called Q and A, though. This is maybe the first one in the playlist.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The first that I remember. This isn't even our playlist. Our playlist only goes Back to like 2021.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is there an older one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is the first one I remember. I could be wrong. And September 2020.

[Linus Sebastian]

I remember that you can barely tell with the crappy dynamic range, but it has horizontal pink and white stripes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, you can sorta.

[Linus Sebastian]

What was I thinking? You know, no wonder only 37,000 people watched it. It's trash. How did the second trash get rid of it? Even worse.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, you can't keep doing the same thing over and over again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A little bit more and then a little bit more.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's gonna get way better when you join. Hey, look at this. I've got a monitor. That's a pretty good idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you're up quite a bit. The set's a little better now. The shirt's cooler now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Haircut. Look at this haircut.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's trash flying V going on in your head.

[Linus Sebastian]

Trash. Haircut.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The couch shows up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's a coach. Let's go. And then. Hold on. Where's Broken Wing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Change still exists. Broken wing shows up. How does it do? Boom.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, the Wan Show. That's the first Wan Show. November 9, 2012.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Heck yeah. How does a follow up do?

[Linus Sebastian]

In case you're wondering. He got hit by a car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not nearly as well. Yeah, yeah, I. Dude, the scars that I have from that still exist. And I got.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that is how scars work. Well, yeah, it's not a scar if it goes away. I'm just saying the labs team, it's one of those things where people will walk in, they'll be like, man, you wouldn't believe it. This was crazy. I got electrocuted by the toaster and I'm like, bro, stop right now, because if you're not dead, you were not electrocuted.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's like poisonous and poison and venom.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But, yeah, poisonous and venomous.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you have a permanent scar. Yes. Carry on. Tell us about your scar.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All my knuckles on this hand, basically, and I got shot in airsoft directly on one of them. And it already sucks to get shot in a knuckle. It's like, also on the scarring. It really sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's so funny. I got shot in the knuckle playing Airsoft just the other day. I think this is it. Oh, yeah, I bought a couple of just like, crappy little, like, spring load Airsoft pistols. Don't demonetize me, YouTube. I made a gun shape with my hand. It's a walkie talkie shape. Yeah, check, check. Roger, over. Wilco team, speak.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You already said over.

[Linus Sebastian]

Copy 10, 4, good buddy. Anyway, yeah, that's. That's such a coincidence. I was just goofing around with the kid. What were you doing playing airsoft with the live stream? I know, but it's for the sake of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, we were just hanging out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Remember the whole thing where we talked and we pretend we haven't talked to each other. There was a long period where we really hadn't talked to each other at all other than wan show throughout the week.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, there's. There was an initiative from mostly. I don't know if they want to be named for this or not, so I will not. But maybe. I don't know. Does that matter? Should I just say it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One of the labs members is very into it and basically put out an inquiry of, like, are other labs people interested in going?

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And people were. So they went. And I think it's open to people outside of labs as well, but, like, it's easier to organize within your own little group. So it's mostly just been lab stuff so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then I didn't get an invite.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I literally invited you last time I invited you to come to the next one last time. I can go find the message.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I mean, if you don't tell me when the next time is coming, that's not really a very good invite.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we figured out a date.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not like a birthday.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't had time.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not like a birthday where I could say, hey, well, I'd love to have you at my next birthday, and it will be on a consistent date.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. It's often not. Birthday parties are often not on a specific date.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't say birthday party. I said birthday.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Boom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who gets invited to a birthday?

[Linus Sebastian]

Boom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, no, I'd like your presence to be there during a birthday.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'd love.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not the birthday party. Birthday party's on the weekend. You're not invited to that, but I would like you to be there just around. I'm gonna go to work. If you could just come with me, that'd be great. Wow, that was.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. That sounded like it was probably very satisfying.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was in between satisfying and painful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dang. All right, well, anyways, I have no idea where we're at right now. Let's do another topic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe Spotify is adding direct messages. What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? Why? The rest of it is for some reason. What is the point in this? You can send a DM from a song, send the song link as a DM so conversation can follow about the song. No one needed this.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can send a song link off platform, and when that person opens it, it can play from Spotify from within their DMS so that you can reply there instead of off platform. This can be clicked on by people who aren't your Spotify friend. They have to request to DM you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Basically, some development unit within Spotify just really, really needed something to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got to imagine that that's how this went down. Or. Or. Hear me out. Absolutely everything needs DMS now. And Spotify just was recognizing an overwhelming trend and was compelled to get on board. Dude, do you have any idea how many apps on my phone. It's way too many, are capable of sending messages to other people. I do not need more apps to send messages. Yeah, like, I'm. I'm. I'm a. I'm a messaging chameleon. Like on my phone right now with. With unread Messages, I have WhatsApp, I have SMS, I have email, and I have teams. That's just. With unread messages. In the period of time since I've last touched my phone. And cleared things that I don't need. Other than that I have Discord, WeChat, Messenger, Instagram, I have TikTok has DMs. Right. I have Steam chat. Like, oh, I've. Does Twitch have dms? Trying to remember.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Meanwhile, he's just reading his no, I gotta read this now message. Twitch does have dms.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay. How could I possibly. Oh yeah, I forgot about Gmail. Also has chat built into it. There's. There's too many. I. Oh, oh yeah. No, I've. I don't use it regularly. But I have signal, I think it is. I have one of, one of the. I have either signal or telegram or something. Occasionally there's a contact that will message me there. So I have to make sure that I have it. I have to have all the things. I mean and I'm not even counting the ones that do have specific DM function. Like Uber where you can DM your driver. I'm not going to count that. I'm not going to count that. I'm just saying there's. I mean you can DM people through Google Docs if you really want to. There's just, there's no shortage of places that I can send direct messages and I don't need more of them. Thank you very much. Spotify, please screw off with your, with your social media building features of your website. Because, and this is really is the biggest reason, because normally I could just ignore it. I could pretend that this feature completely doesn't exist. But what another DM inbox means to me is another place that I can get spammed and that I can get notifications cluttering up my bizarre. Please stop. No more notifications. No more inboxes. Do you need another inbox, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wish I had less. So the reason why I originally picked up my phone was to check the like messages. Communication.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, just too many.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, you've got threads in there, you got blue sky. Why are they all Blue?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Signal line, WeChat meet, WhatsApp other meet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, I have line on my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Other phone teams, Telegram, Messenger. A lot of these, I never ever use them.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you know that some non tech savvy person with Spotify is going to get some spam Nigerian prince DM and like it's just, it's another bloody attack vector and it doesn't need to be there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of these, it's because like one person that I know uses it and they just like refuse to use anything else and it's like, okay, I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Guess I mean, that's why I have one of mine. And the person who won't use anything else is you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's no way you don't have other people that you communicate with over that on Discord. Yeah, there's no way you have played games of people in Discord when I am not there. That has happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wouldn't need it on my phone for anyone else. Oh, like here, look how. Look how far you have to go to find people I haven't spoken to in over a month. You are literally.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We can use something else. We can use something else.

[Linus Sebastian]

I now I understand his hesitation, but I have told you, I'm on WhatsApp. That's what I primarily use. So you're the guy. That is the reason that I have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It now, though, if you're the guy, if you really want to use it, you're the guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's installed now, but you know what, you know what this means is I would do that for you. No, I would. I would. I would do that for you. You are worth pretty cute. You are worth maintaining when I get a. See. Honestly, this is actually kind of hilarious because I think that would be a super cool feature for a messaging app if the. If the. The icon. The, like, lock screen icon could be different for your different contacts. Because when I get a Discord icon, I know it's probably you. That actually, that would be kind of cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe what we should do is we should build DMS into Flow plane. We'll turn Floatplane into a messaging platform, and that'll be our key feature is you can assign a different notification icon to your key contacts so that at a glance you can, like, be excited to hear from. From your bff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that possible?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, probably not. I don't care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm. I'm just saying that whenever I get a full plane, DMs air mail whenever I see it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, it scrolled off my screen, but that was a great idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's not a great idea. It's 2025. It has to be air gender neutral. Oh, he's not there to ding me. Dang it. That wasn't even worth it. Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Guess what, monkey butt Scrap. Yours is ready to publish.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Sure. Let's do that thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Floatplane.com. all right, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Do you want to start another topic in the meantime?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Oh, no, that's your topic. I will leave you that. I know you want that I want a topic. You want a topic. You want it pretty bad, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do I?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Hold on here. I'll. Okay, we're doing it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can do this other one.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're doing it. Scrap yours. Boom. She's live, baby. Scrapyard wars part three, let's go. And this really. This really was the vibe, man. I. Your team went through some things. I just watched it this morning. I. Wow. Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't seen it yet. I can only imagine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is. This isn't the end, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. The last one has the last two hours of scramble on the final morning and the judging. So that'll be coming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So there's more to go. For sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's more to go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That last two hours is.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can know they tee up the last two hours very well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's full of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

There will be a commentary version on floatplane. The not so bright says.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. We announced that earlier this show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you who's commenting clearly weren't paying attention.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's going to be a live stream, I think in a couple of weeks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who's doing that? Everybody.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Except us. Oh, yeah. You don't get to be involved. We get no voice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, boy.

[Linus Sebastian]

So our teams get to get to say exactly what they think of us and our leadership.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm probably going to get flayed and it's probably fine. I was barely alive that whole week.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It's a floatplane exclusive on September 9th. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Florida and Texas have teamed up to save the children schools in Florida districts will begin training the use of armed. What? What are we doing? They're going to be trialing the use armed drones to respond to school shooting incidents starting in the coming school year. The drones, a product of Campus Guardian Angel.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, it's not funny. It's just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Will be secure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why? Why are we living in the actual dumbest possible timeline?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The. The drones, a product of Campus Guardian angel, which sounds like the evil corporation in a video game, will be securely pre positioned on charging pads on the school property starting in September and October and can reach speeds of up to 50 mph indoors and 100 mph outdoors, allowing them to quickly cover large campuses. The drones are flown remotely by operators at the company's Austin headquarters and can provide real time video to first responders and deployed. Non lethal and less lethal, which is always a really fun term.

[Linus Sebastian]

What does less lethal mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It means you probably won't die anyways. Less lethal weapons, well, it depends on where you get hit.

[Linus Sebastian]

You got two arms. Yeah. I mean even a.22 is going to get you if it goes right between your rib cage and into your heart.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In your eyeball can also be a rough one because you got a bunch of brain goop back there.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, speak for yourself.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I said you, you've got.

[Linus Sebastian]

I said I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got a lot, you got a lot of brain goop going on.

[Linus Sebastian]

I meant what I said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got that good brain goop.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I understood what you said, which I don't think I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways. Yeah. So they can do non lethal and less lethal weapons to distract disorient and incapacitate shooters. The system is expected to be fully operational by January. Discussion. Question. How would you feel about this kind of system being installed at your kids school?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm gonna be honest with you. If my kids went to school in Florida, I'd actually probably be glad that it's there. And I realize that's gonna be. I, I don't know. I always find it interesting seeing the way that the buckets that people kind of try to fit me into. I think there's gonna be a lot of people that they're like, wait. Find that to be a very unexpected take.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm a lot less concerned now that I read the whole thing. When I first read armed drones, usually when you say armed, you mean like firearm? Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought it was flying drone with a gun and now it's like flying drone with a. Maybe a gun that shoots beanbags. Those beanbags can be really brutal. But it also said non lethal. And if it's like a drone that whips over to an area and can get to a target and like, you know, I don't know, Mace or whatever else, put some type of, you know, irritant agent, whatever they're called, that like make you cry. You can't see very well necessarily, so that you can't execute your plan. That could be pretty good in areas where this is consistently a problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pepper ball. Pepper ball's a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. I mean, look, I'd Tasers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting because people have died from tasers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Taser's tough one, but it does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Say it's also a lot harder to aim.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Tasers are like, you got to be exactly the right distance from the target and all that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If they're wearing like a thick sweater or a jacket.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, this, this actually reminds me. There's a, there's an anti theft like that, like a burglary countermeasure that you can deploy in stores that basically just puts out like a thick fog. And as much as. Okay, just hear me out, hear me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Out, hear me out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently it's non toxic, but I'm not actually advocating for the thick fog. But you did bring up irritants. Yeah. Like would I rather that an entire school of children net gun gets pepper sprayed or would I rather. But. But it incapacitates an attacker or would I rather let a couple lambs be. I don't think anyone's ever died from. From an eye irritant.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. Although rare.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Deaths have been linked to pepper spray, particularly where the person has underlying health conditions.

[Linus Sebastian]

What about an allergy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Subjected to other restraining techniques during the pepper spray. That's also interesting. Or had a severe reaction to the spray such as something I can't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here it is properly pronounced. This is the one. Security fog.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Security fog. How thick is this fog?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That looks pretty thick.

[Linus Sebastian]

She thick like damn girl, she thick like you're not finding anything in there. Wow. So the idea is to disorient anyone who's trying to like find stuff and move around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. The more you run around in there, the more you're gonna toss the fog around, making it harder to see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, it's. We're gone now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Wow. So that's like 15, 20 seconds. 30 seconds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe it takes some time.

[Linus Sebastian]

It does take some time, but you've got to be. I mean we've been robbed before. We know about how long it takes. There's. It takes them a couple minutes no matter how fast they are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's also going to be a moment of like what the heck is happening?

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's a full warehouse. Yeah. Yeah. It's not an indoor sort of eight foot ceiling. Right. I saw one with a, like a convenience store that was like fast, like really fast, I think like, like a fog. If you could have like a like a fog countermeasure with like a thermally equipped drone or something like that. Look, I, I'm gonna be pro. Okay. I'm not gonna get into the debate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought it was a drone with like a gun that shoots bullets.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not gonna get into the debate, you know, in terms of like firearms culture in the US that's yalls thing to figure out. All I'll say of localized language. All I'll say is that things are what they are at the moment. There's clearly a mental health crisis and, and, and, and issues that are leading people to, to commit these heinous Acts. Yeah. And if this drone deployment thing saves one kid, then it's worth it to me, 100%. Do I think that this is something that could save one kid? Yeah, probably. Probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel I. I'm much more interested in the non lethal aspects and not because I'm like, oh my God, save the shooter. It's just shooting a rubber bullet or a beanbag at an active shooter. I feel like encourages them to go faster, not actually stops them personally.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I feel like a lot of the non lethal options, like the smoke or I don't know if they're putting pepper spray and non lethal or less lethal. I'm assuming they're putting it in non. Lethal.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it might have been a typo. It might be less than lethal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are. Whenever they include the less, there are versions where people like definitely die.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because if there's kids involved, one to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A head is like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It. Things happen. Like people die in street fights with punches all the time. Now you're putting your of projectile. Like it just stuff happens. Rubber bullets kill people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, totally.

[Linus Sebastian]

A thing someone's talking about. Like tactical strobe lights.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like there's like things that can. I'd love to be like, that's a cool idea. In a place that this does happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anything. Anything disorienting that can slow them down is as long as it doesn't have the potential side effect of permanently damaging a child.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. That's the part I'm worried about.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's worth a shot, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that seems cool. I. Yeah. The, the. The general concept. I'm actually not that against. I don't like the idea of it being a flying gun controlled by a remote operator. That might be difficult to stop because then you could have the issues with the remote operators.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. I mean, and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you also have like. I don't know. How is the. How is the persistent on target of that flying gun? I don't know. Just what is the chance that it misses? Hit somebody. Hit somebody that isn't the intended target.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. Yeah. Again, good luck, America.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

AMD let the cat out of the bag and now the cat won't go back in the bag. Imagine that. You ever tried to put a cat in a bag. Yeah. This makes sense. This week amd released. Was it last week at some point amd released the FidelityFX SDK 2.0, which just happened to contain FSR4. And this may turn out to be an irrevocable mistake. Although they quickly took down the source code once Something is released as open source under the MIT license. Apparently it cannot be revoked. Users can legally use, modify and even release their own forks of the project. And although every previous version of FSR was already open source, there had been no announcement made about FSR4. The leaked version of FSR4 also included support for Intake shaders, which means that they may be testing the currently locked to 9000 series feature on older cards. Realistically, AMD was probably going to be cool about this eventually. And I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm a little annoyed on their behalf that it's. Their hand is kind of being forced before they can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Especially because they are usually really cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, if they weren't usually cool about it, I'd be like corporation. And to be clear, AMD is not cool about everything, but this is something that they've been pretty cool about, especially compared to competitors.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They've been very nice to the open source.

[Linus Sebastian]

I kind of feel for them. I kind of feel for them. I'm, I'm down with them, but I'm also, I'm also down with just like new features being available to everybody for free. So that's cool. Good job everyone. And hey, new features available. This, I thought was impossible. Framework announced this week.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is the topic that I was gonna do, but I saved.

[Linus Sebastian]

Framework announced this week that you can now get the Framework Laptop 16 with the GeForce RTX 5070. And that is a pretty remarkable thing. You know what's more remarkable about it? You can also order the Framework Laptop 16 investment disclosure graphics module with a GeForce RTX 5070 and upgrade your laptop's graphics for exceptional gaming and blah, blah, blah, blah. Upgrade your lap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you gonna do it?

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you gonna do it?

[Linus Sebastian]

They did it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you gonna do it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I mean, I don't know about that, but they did it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's sick. They have no idea how they pulled that off.

[Linus Sebastian]

They did it, Luke. They did it. Dude. Companies, companies have been sued. Companies have lost millions of dollars in previous attempts to deliver an upgradeable gpu. Freaking laptop. And not only did Framework do it, Framework did it with Nvidia. Dude, do you know how long Nvidia has been trying to kill gpu, like laptop GPU modules? Every generation they say we're not doing MXM anymore. Forget it. ASRock's desk mini, those cute little desktops that had the CPU here and then they had a little MXM slot so you could put a GPU on it. I have like a 1080 based one at home dead because of no support for MXM Laptops with interchangeable what GPU you get in it where you can customize it before you buy it on life support. Practically dead because Nvidia doesn't want to support the standard, as far as I can tell. Oh, who was it? Silverstone had this super cool EGPU like Thunderbolt EGPU that was going to use mxm, so it was going to be really small and flipping freaking awesome. Killed because they couldn't get the support for mxm. How did they do this? I have no idea. This is crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's pretty wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Upgradable graphics on a laptop. I mean, they've only got a couple options.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you think it will continue? Do you think they're gonna have a 6070?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I would have told you no, it's impossible until.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One thing that worries me about this is, okay, cool, I can upgrade. As in repair. Can I upgrade? Well, no, this is from the original. Will there be a 7070? Is there a path forward?

[Linus Sebastian]

So what's cool about Frameworks interface is it's just PCIe by 8. That's all it is, it's custom. I believe they. I don't know how open they made it, but fairly open. So. So I'm pretty sure just about anyone can like make something that attaches to it, but they did have to create something scratch because there just didn't exist an interface that they could use for, for their geometry of the, of the GPU installation anyway, so. So there's no, there's no technical reason why just about any GPU couldn't plug into it. And then the limit just becomes how big of a caboose you have on how much room you need for thermals and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, for cooling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is the second gpu, but it's not the second Nvidia gpu, Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, this is the first Nvidia gpu.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So if you buy, if you buy one with a 5070 today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're asking, will there be an upgrade path?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Before today I'd have said no. Or I'd have said this is going to be difficult. Yeah. You know, but they, they freaking done it. Luke, do you know how many generations of laptop motherboards they've had for the framework? 13 too. They're up to. Are they up to four now or something ridiculous like that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Without fundamentally changing the chassis, you can have a framework laptop of Theseus from back when they first launched it. I'm sure Someone does that has literally nothing left in it from back then and it's just all new current gen parts. So if anyone can do it, it's Framework. So at this point, man, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'S really cool in a, like, business and negotiation standpoint. And I'm stoked for people that like, need Nvidia GPUs for whatever they're doing, whatever, blah, blah, blah. At this point, I'm more interested in AMD stuff, potentially intel stuff as well, because I'm hoping to stick with Linux on my. On my laptop. And the Nvidia GPU in my current laptop is annoying to work around. It is the most annoying thing I've had to deal with so far is that when I do GPU stuff. Yeah, it can, like, be frustrating.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's about it, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But this is wicked. This is very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm so excited for them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Most people are buying Nvidia. Yeah, it is what it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is what it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Most people are buying Nvidia.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So now that's potentially bringing more people to repairable laptops, which is awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. I, I just, man, I. Oh, I. I don't think it'll be that easy right now, but if I could find my email to NIRAV when I first found out that they were trying to do an upgradable laptop, man, nirav gaming. I don't know. I'll try, but in the meantime, it's time to switch over to After Dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is. Sorry, one sec. This is for sure just supposed to be we did it. And then like a rocket ship and an exclamation mark. It really makes me think we did it. AI.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Oh, yeah, I can see that. Maybe both. I mean, it's got an Nvidia GPU in it. It probably does. AI Dan, it's time for After Dark. Let's do that. Let's see if I can. See if I can find anything nice. Still futzing through things or. Oh, yeah, yeah, you can read one. Sure. It's my birthday Monday and I'm throwing together a video game Olympics for the second time. What are some good games that we should play?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nidhogg.

[Linus Sebastian]

Teams of two. Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not that teams of two. That actually really narrows it down. Extremely. How many games are like 2v2?

[Linus Sebastian]

I guess you could play, but like, you all have to be into FPS. So, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

You play some rock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You whipped out the wingman.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's a 2v2 format, is it not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, for sure. It's just. Have you Ever played wingman?

[Linus Sebastian]

I've played with you. Oh. Clearly it wasn't memorable though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is a long time ago. I played a lot of wingman.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Just when you played it with me, it just wasn't satisfying, I guess. I get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is what no chicken does to a man. He had to eat a Subway sandwich today and I think he's still recovering.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly. I think I am. I'm very disappointed. We're a little bit too busy dealing with house stuff that I don't actually want to talk about instead of being able to cook.

[Linus Sebastian]

At least you found one game that's probably good enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People in chat have brought up some cool stuff. Rocket league definitely supports 2v2 very effectively. Tape to tape. You could definitely 2v2. It especially includes some AI. You could theoretically 2v2 in League of Legends.

[Linus Sebastian]

You could. 2v2 space cadet table. You each get one flipper. That would legitimately be fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would honestly be pretty legit. That would be awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

You would enjoy it. You'd love it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Someone. Someone pointed out you could do four 1v1s in Nidhogg.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do a little tourney. Oh. Left four dead. Left four dead with bots. Play co op. Everyone has fun except the people who. You know, you're not shooting the smoker's tongue. You gotta. You gotta shoot the smoker's time. You gotta break the tongue. I'm taking damage here. You know. I'm not a lot of fun to play Left 4 Dead with. I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's pretty fun. But I. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Gas Racing suggested Starcraft. Yeah. Yeah. You could pull. You know, it'd be kind of interesting to pull out an RTS that none of you have ever played and just wing it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's that? There's a. There's a new.

[Linus Sebastian]

That'd be kind of cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a new RTS coming, isn't there?

[Linus Sebastian]

You're not talking about that one from the Ex Blizzard folks? The Storm Forge or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That didn't seem to work out super well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I think they're in trouble.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that what it's called?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something along those lines. Tempest Rising. That's not the one I was talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Storm Kate. Storm Gate. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My bad. Can't find it. Smash Bros. You could totally do Smash Bros 2v2. Smash Bros is actually hella fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, boy. Apparently that. Yeah. So I actually agree. The word scam is used in contexts that are like, not good. I don't have a lot Of. I don't have a lot of context for this drama, but, yeah, words mean what they mean. Get good. Also, this is a bit of a problem, though. Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did it get review bombed?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's possible. After he said stuff, apparently in our language.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, good luck with that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea what's going on with that game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Want some more? I do. Hello from Japan. I'm currently on the train heading back to the airport to catch my flight back to Canada. Have any of you also been here? Would love to hear your experience if you have. Luke and I went to Japan together once.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it was great, actually. It was a. Yeah. Other than the really awesome trip, a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Little bit of light sexual harassment on your part, but okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

You tried to get me naked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

He did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was naked.

[Linus Sebastian]

He was. I'm not much of a steam room guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It wasn't a steam room.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or whatever. It's called the onsen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Onsen. Yeah. I got too many tattoos.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I'm good to go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm bare.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke was a team sports kind of kind of kid growing up. I never really did the let's all just whip it out in the locker room thing. And I'm honestly not that into it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not particularly, like, into it, but I was in Japan and wanted to do Japanese things.

[Linus Sebastian]

You did it right. You did it right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I got to hang out with one of the engineers from Omron who we were just with, and it was actually super chill.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. I believe you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it was cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, actually, it was quite warm.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

In spite of the nudity. You might even say it was hot. Mm. I don't have any tattoos.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I could have believed it either way, to be honest.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I was. I was going for, like, the Yakuza vibe. Yeah. No one has ever seen my giant full back. Like, tiger, tiger, you know, eating a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rooster kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus, in all capitals, what was your favorite tech growing up? Gaming? Computers. Wow. I mean, I really liked my Discman disc.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Men were sweet.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was a game changer, dude. I mean. Oh, man. Having to, like, hold the rewind button. I'm the kind of person who gets hooked on a song, and I just, like. I want to hear that song over and over again. Especially when I was younger. So I'd have to, like, get good at memorizing how long I have to hold the rewind button in order to get back to the point where the song starts on my walkman and so, dude, upgrading to a disc that was an absolute life changer for me. I started being able to burn my own mix CDs and stuff. Oh yeah. So good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. Oh man, that's tough. But then I couldn't make a mix CD without my gaming PC was only a gaming back to the computer, but it had a CD burner, so that was, you know, pretty good. Ooh. I had a really slow CD burner, but still I could set it to go at night and then I could get up in the morning and sometimes it wouldn't be a coaster. Those were exciting mornings. God, our tech sucked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I remember we had Netnanny and I used to play Runescape back in. I'm assuming this was like 2002 or something. And I would load up Runescape and it would take so long to load. It would successfully load, which is actually really interesting to me at this point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. The fact so many things today would time out before or even trying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something would go wrong. But it would successfully load. But I would. I would go downstairs and make a sandwich and a drink and consume both and then come back upstairs and then it would finish.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you guys have no idea how long it takes him to eat a sandwich. It's remarkable he manages to consume enough calories to maintain his size.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's an s effort.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had just gotten my new braces and we sat down together at the table. I actually gave him his burger first, so he had started eating already. I had just gotten them. I still had the Bite Turbos in like the bite blocks at the back. So I couldn't even close my molars to within like about this distance. I still finished my burger before he did in all that pain without being able to close my molars. How is it even possible, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, yeah, that was a. That was a heck of a thing. I don't remember why I brought that up, but yeah, that's. I. And I did that like all the time. Anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke Newcomb, which Battlefield was your favorite? Quality reference. I put way too many hours in 1942. Also so glad the super soft is back. Ruined my last one frying burgers. Oh, okay. What is it? The fashion team told me. I think it's like dish soap and baking soda and pre treat it and then wash it. You should be able to get grease stains out of it. It's a thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

1942 was incredible. I. I think the most condensed fun, if that's a term that I can use that people will understand that I had was bad company 2.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wasn't 1942 the first one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would make sense?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to remember. Anyway, carry on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then I think it had a few expansions and stuff that kept it going for a while. 1942, I feel like, was pretty long lasting, but. But honestly, the. The one. And this might just because, like, the friends that I had to play with at the time and stuff, but Battlefield 3 hit pretty hard for. For me, I. I think I'd go with Battlefield 3. 1942 was incredible, but I think Battlefield 3 got the most, like, enjoyment. But again, it might have been because of the social aspect that was coming along with it. 1942's Wake island was such an experience, James said in floatplane chat. And that made me think, this was my whole pain, honestly. Wake island specifically was my whole pain with the new maps in Battlefield 6 and knowing how small they are. Because Wake island, like, really, it felt like a campaign of this crazy push pull. And the new maps are like, there's one kind of mountain in the middle, and you just kind of fight in a ring around it. And that's like one of the biggest maps they have. It's like, oh, hold on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Remember how bad games looked? Remember? How do you remember it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, I do. I don't have the. Like, when people are like, oh, Morrowind looks so bad. You. You. You for sure remember it differently than it looks. Then I see a screenshot of Morrowind, I'm like, that's exactly how I remember it looking. Sounds good.

[Linus Sebastian]

This helicopter. What is it? A Cyber truck?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sick, dude. Wow. Yeah, I. Dude, I. When I see screenshots of like, 1.6, I really want to play the game as is. I don't want it to look better. I want to look like that. I want grenades to just be bricks that fly through the air. I just. Dude, that's awesome. Why not?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Screw graphics, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who needs them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Give me good games again.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who needs them? Linus, can you buy the Canucks so that they stop sucking? It's quality texture right here. Green. Sorry. What is it? Can you buy the Canucks? I can't see it. Stop sucking. Oh, you're not talking to me. I'm sorry. No, I can't see this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh. Oh, fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry. Fine. Can I buy the Canuck Canucks? What are you even talking about? I have A, I have no idea how to run a sports team. B. Oh, my God, with what money? The coach doesn't seem to either, I guess. Wow. Mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Boom. Roasted mean.

[Linus Sebastian]

You play David tape, you probably know Enough about him. Hacky. Yeah, for sure. Hacky. Nope, I. I have no ideas to make the Canuck stop sucking at this point. I might as well just cheer for the oil. Hope they can get McDavid signed and make another push. Let's go, boys. Last one I got for you today. Hey, Linus, now that you've been the Chief Vision Officer for a while, is it a position you think could work at any other company? Or is also being the CEO's boss an integral component? Yeah, I think that it's. It basically is the CEO's job to have the vision for the company normally, but because our structure, where I'm also the primary shareholder, and I mostly just needed to offload all the other aspects of what the CEO does, it did make sense to. To break those things out. It's not something I'd really recommend like you. You wouldn't want. The only reason that my role works is because in addition to my title, I also just carry pretty heavy sort of soft power. Is the way Taran first described it to me when I was bewildered at some point about why people were listening to me about something. And he was like, well, you got to understand you can't just like make comments flippantly. Because you've got to understand that whether you say to do something or don't say to do something, when you say stuff, people, high priority action, people automatically, every time sometimes even if I tell people not to, which I'm not actually referring to you, Dan. Believe it or not, there was someone else I ran into recently where I explicitly said I asked a question. Yeah, that's right. I asked a question to someone in accounting. I was like, hey, do you happen to know this? And they were like, no, I'd have to look that up. And I said, that's too much work. Don't do it. And I left. But now you've emailed them and they came back to me like 40 minutes later having created this wonderful summary of what I asked. And I said, okay, so I know your mother in law will operate in this fashion where they say, you know, oh gosh, it'd sure be nice if the temperature was a little higher in here. But no, no trouble. Don't get up and turn it up. That is not how I work. If I explicitly say do not do something, I consider any further action on doing that thing a complete and utter waste of time not to be done. I think something that people can't handle that, and I get it though, I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get it, is that if someone did that to you and it was interesting enough to you, you wouldn't be able to stop, but doing it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah. Oh, I don't know. Do you have an example? I think. I don't think so. I think you're gonna have to give me an example.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Suspicion.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Okay. If you catch me in it, though, you gotta nail me on. You gotta bring it to WAN show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For sure. Don't have an example.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't even tell me at the time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't think of one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Catch me on it and bring it to WAN show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'll try. We'll see.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm ready.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do. I. The problem is you would have to be sufficiently interested in the thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not just anything. Oh, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It wasn't an interesting thing. I asked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yeah, I was just. I was just curious. It was for like a throwaway joke in a. In a video or something. Like, I was just like, if I said this, would it be true? And so I was doing a quick fact check and then it was more than 3 seconds of work and so I was like, this is not worth it. I will write a different joke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got it. I get that. Then what I'm trying to describe is, like, if someone serves you the, like, most interesting looking thing of your day, but then it can't necessarily, like, turn into something more valuable and you're like, oh, I can do whatever. And they're like, oh, never mind, it's fine. I think you'd be very tempted to follow through to it anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's a specific scenario and is not what you're just describing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tim says, okay, I've got to ask. I know you have adhd, but do you have autism? Because I have autism. And that kind of direct. No, really. I mean, the exact thing I say is only something I see with other people with autism. I'm not diagnosed. It's clearly not super severe. However, I have more than one family member somewhere on the spectrum, like, actually diagnosed, and my whole clan is a little spectrumy. And I mean that in the, you know, kindest, fuzziest possible way. I definitely do experience things that other people with autism report experiencing. I will. I'll do things like when I'm walking, I'll accidentally kind of brush my foot on the ground in a particular way and then I'll, like, have to do it again. Otherwise I can't, like, cancel it out. Like there's. There's weird sensory stuff like that, but clearly it's not a hindrance. So there's never been really any need to get a formal diagnosis. Xfin says undiagnosed, but what else could it be? Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Spectrumy is is my word that I like to use to Describe it says Shroff 2K because it can never be wrong. Literally everyone, all the way from 0 to 1.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think sometimes on a spectrum we care too much about which is ourselves.

[Linus Sebastian]

Special little which is the kind of literal Pokemon elements. Literal label.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm a, I'm a fired wind type. Fired flying type.

[Linus Sebastian]

Spectrumy is the kind of literal label that someone spectrumy would apply. Yeah, it's technically true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I, yeah, I, I don't know. I, I, I, I can't care too much about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you first.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, right. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel, folks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bye.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, you hang up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

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