Cables Aren’t Supposed To Melt, Right? - WAN Show February 14, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The WAN Show – "Cables Aren’t Supposed To Melt, Right?"

Episode Information:

• Title: The WAN Show – "Cables Aren’t Supposed To Melt, Right?"
• Hosts: Linus Sebastian, Luke Lafreniere, Dan
• Release Date: February 15, 2025
• Duration: Approximately 2 hours and 10 minutes

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1. Introduction and Opening Remarks

The episode kicks off with a humorous and satirical advertisement parody featuring Ryan Reynolds promoting Mint Mobile's wireless services. The hosts quickly transition from the intro to the main topics of the show, setting a lighthearted tone despite announcing a "terrible" show lineup due to a lack of pressing topics.

2. Main Topic: GeForce Cables Melting Issue

Background of the Issue

The primary focus of this episode revolves around the alarming reports of GeForce RTX 5090 cables melting. Linus and his team delve deep into understanding the root causes behind this hardware malfunction.

Technical Analysis

Linus provides a comprehensive recap of previous issues with the RTX 4090 cables, attributing them initially to user error—either improper seating of cables or the use of poorly constructed third-party cables. The strain caused by the cable design, especially the way it presses against the side panel due to the connector's protrusion, exacerbates the problem.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [00:45]: "The big topic that is enveloping the techosphere this week is obviously GeForce cables melting to the melting."

Evolution of the Problem with RTX 5090

Fast-forwarding to the RTX 5090, the issue persists and even intensifies. Reports indicate that both ends of the connectors are experiencing melting despite secure fastening and the use of older CableMod adapters.

Notable Quote:

Dan [06:17]: "So he's demonstrated two things. One, that the issue could very well be, you know, bad Cables, not necessarily bad cards..."

CT Scanner Analysis

The team conducted CT scans on the Founders Edition cards of the 3090, 4090, and 5090 series to inspect the PCB design and connector integrity. The scans revealed that the 5090's single power plane design lacks the necessary monitoring, making it incapable of detecting uneven current distribution across power pins.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [12:07]: "What this means is that the board has no way of knowing which pin is carrying all the power in. So if one of them has a poor connection, one pin has a poor connection, then what will happen is that pin will heat up."

Nvidia's Response and Concerns

Nvidia has not yet released official statements, citing the need for failure analysis of returned cards. The hosts express concern that without proper mitigations, the problem may persist, especially as newer card designs continue to face similar issues.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [06:45]: "Nvidia has said that very few cards have been impacted, but that doesn't mean that very few cards will ever be impacted."

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3. Secondary Topic: Yacht Project and Real Estate Challenges

In a departure from technical discussions, the hosts engage in a humorous and somewhat tangential conversation about purchasing and maintaining a large yacht. They explore the complexities of owning such a vessel, including hefty upkeep costs, crew requirements, and mooring challenges in exclusive neighborhoods like Shaughnessy in Vancouver.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [28:35]: "How can you have, a certificate of authenticity? This is from the float plane chat that is signed by some guy who just like changes his signature whenever he feels like it."

The discussion highlights the absurdities of high-end real estate markets and the logistical nightmares of yacht maintenance, injecting humor and personal anecdotes into the conversation.

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4. Merchandise Segment: New Shirt Designs and Viewer Interaction

The hosts introduce three new shirt designs—Doors, Maze, and Pipes—each with unique artistic elements and Easter eggs like hidden kitties within the Maze design. They showcase these designs, model the shirts, and engage with live viewer messages praising the designs.

Notable Quote:

Luke Lafreniere [42:37]: "If you look closely, you might find some fun Easter eggs in that one as well. But we'll let you guys sleuth them out."

They also discuss potential future merchandise ideas, such as reviving old designs based on community votes, and share behind-the-scenes insights from their product shoots.

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5. Industry News and Current Events

AI Copyright Cases

The hosts discuss recent legal battles in the AI industry, highlighting a landmark case where Thomson Reuters won against Ross Intelligence over AI copyright infringement. They debate the implications of such rulings on the future of AI development, emphasizing concerns about the United States falling behind in the global AI race.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [85:04]: "The AI in question here… makes it essentially a search engine. This limits the case's utility as a precedent for other lawsuits against generative AI companies."

Zotac's Verified Actual Gamer Program

Dan introduces Zotac's initiative to curb scalping by selling RTX 50 series GPUs directly to gamers via Discord through their Priority Access campaign. The program emphasizes fair random selection over active participation, contrasting it with LTT's own Verified Actual Gamer program.

Notable Quote:

Dan [80:57]: "Zotac has tweaked the program to make it more inclusive, stating that while active engagement is always encouraged, selection will be based on a fair random process, not participation."

Steam's Malware Incident

The team covers an incident where Steam accidentally distributed malware through the "Pirate Fi" game, leading Valve to remove it promptly and advise affected users to perform system scans or consider reformatting their OS.

Notable Quote:

Dan [83:05]: "Was removed from the platform. After an update to the game containing malware was distributed on the platform..."

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6. Use of AI Tools by Hosts

A segment is dedicated to discussing how the hosts utilize AI tools. Dan shares his approach of using AI for sentiment analysis to refine his communications, emphasizing that he doesn't rely on AI to generate content but rather to assist in improving it.

Notable Quote:

Dan [106:07]: "If you use it to do some of the steps for you… it's not outputting the thing that you're submitting and you're checking the stuff that it's saying."

Linus and Luke share their minimal use of AI, reflecting on the challenges and potential benefits of integrating AI into their workflows.

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7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with lighthearted interactions among the hosts, reflecting on past projects like the "fire computer" in Scrapyard Wars and upcoming merchandise launches. They emphasize the balance between technical discussions and maintaining an engaging, entertaining show format.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [127:36]: "Don’t forget to subscribe at LMG GG Screensaver."

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Final Summary: In this episode of The WAN Show, Linus Tech Tips hosts Linus Sebastian, Luke Lafreniere, and Dan tackle the pressing issue of GeForce RTX 5090 cables melting, providing an in-depth technical analysis backed by real-world reports and their own experimental findings. The conversation seamlessly transitions to humorous discussions about yacht ownership and the challenges of high-end real estate, followed by an engaging merchandise segment showcasing new shirt designs adorned with creative Easter eggs.

The hosts also delve into current industry events, including AI copyright litigation and Zotac's efforts to prevent GPU scalping, while reflecting on the implications of these developments for the future of technology. Additionally, they share personal insights into their use of AI tools, highlighting a thoughtful approach to integrating AI without overreliance.

Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain a balance between technical expertise, humor, and audience interaction, ensuring that both tech enthusiasts and casual listeners find the content informative and entertaining.

Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

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[Dan]

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[Linus Sebastian]

See full [e-mail] what is up, y'all? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the WAN show. We have a terrible show lined up for you this week. We have nothing, so it'll be a great show.

[Dan]

That's how it works.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know. It always seems to work out that way. It's a law.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

The big topic that is enveloping the techosphere this week is obviously GeForce cables melting to the melting. So we'll be talking about what's going on with RTX 5090 cables, including I think someone on our team threw it in the CT scanner so we could have a look at what some folks are talking about out there with the PCB design and the shunts and all that. What else we got this week? We're. I called the guy. I called. I called the guy. And if you're not a regular viewer, you're gonna have no idea what I'm talking about. But if you are a regular viewer, you're gonna be pretty excited. The guy has been called. What else we got this week Zotac.

[Dan]

Copied our verified actual gamer program, which if you're new here, is actually pretty old at this point.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, right?

[Dan]

Which is kind of weird to even think about, but still. And Steam distributed malware.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ooh, sure.

[Dan]

Like four people.

[Linus Sebastian]

The show is brought to you today by Odoo Odd Pieces and Corsair and of course by our rap partner, dbrand and our chair partner, Secret Lab. They really don't do a good job of living up to their name.

[Dan]

Secret Lab.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can't really be a secret. Very public well known if you're advertising all the time.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bad job. Secret Lab.

[Dan]

Well marketed lab.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of bad job, let's jump right into our first topic today. GeForce cables melting to the melting. Here's a bit of a recap from last time from. From GeForce cables melting. One the a new hope. And I don't know, when the 4090 launched, we saw lots of reports of cables melting Nvidia the Their story pretty much boiled down to it being user error, either people seating the cable incorrectly or installing poorly constructed third party cables. Part of the issue was that to get their fancy new connector to fit in a lot of cases with the way that it stuck out directly off the top of the card, the cable ended up pressed against the side panel, straining the connection. Now CableMod made some 90 degree adapters that people hoped would fix the problem, but long story short, they didn't and CableMod ultimately recalled said product. Newer 4090 models attempt to solve the issue by repositioning the 16 pin power connector. Also, the 12 volt high power cable design was updated to 12 volt 2x6 for 2025. It has shorter sense pins and longer conductor terminals to help ensure that all of the power, excuse me, all of the power carrying cables are all the way in before the sense pins will say hey yeah, we've got a connection. Corsair currently has at least six blog posts about 12 volt 2 by 6 or 12 volt high power, which adapter you should use and how to connect cables to your power supply. Now I'm going to take a moment here and go off the sort of notes provided to us and say hey, if something's this complicated is the problem maybe you and not me? Anyway, no, no, sorry, sorry, I digress. Reports of more failures with the 4090 and adapt continue to pop up all the way into 2025. PC Gamer ran an article in April last year stating that one repair shop in the LA area saw about 200 cards and adapters with melted connectors over a one month period. And Tom's Hardware ran an article yesterday called the Dark side of Gaming finding that their two year old card's connector had been melting despite no obvious performance issues. Now it's time to fast forward to a day after yesterday and it's time to talk about the 5090. We are now seeing more reports of cables melting. Reddit user ivan6953 made a post a few days ago showing melting on both ends of the connector. Ivan claims that it was securely fastened and clicked and that he was using an older mod. DIY third party cable Mod DIY has released a statement that you should upgrade to the latest 12 volt 2x6 cables for RTX 50 series cards. YouTuber Toro Tocho Tocho Toro Tocho. Let's go with that. Reviews released a video on February 9 claiming that the wiring burned due to a bad connection because of wear on the 12 volt high power connector states that the power supply was very used. Deir Bauer has tested one Founders Edition card. So it's a 5090 with one Corsair cable and says that there was uneven current distribution across each pin. And this, this is where things start to get a little bit complicated and where things start to get a little bit drama. E. So the connector is rated for 9.5amps per power pin and 1amp per signal pin. Okay, dear. Bower saw readings over 9.5amps. In fact, in his first video, he saw over 20amps on one wire. Then Johnny Guru, who works at Corsair and used to be kind of the power supply reviewing guy back before he worked at Corsair, said that was impossible. In Derbauer's second video, he said, I will show you what is possible and cut four wires while the card was under load, measuring about 50amps between the remaining two wires, demonstrating that while that is not, in fact something that you should do and is not representative of a real world situation, hopefully that it can in fact run more than 9.5amps over one wire, he said that it still worked because the sensing pins only check to see if the sensing pins are plugged in. And if they are, the card will try to draw whatever power it's supposed to. It doesn't check how many power pins are connected. And you can see that about 12 minutes into his video if you check for yourself. Dan, do you want to throw that in the various chats? It's the one that's hyperlinked in our notes here. He then plugged in a new undamaged 12 volt high power cable from Corsair and the load was distributed evenly. So what he has kind of shown kind of validates what some others have said, and that is that this might just come down to bad cables. But what he has also shown is that there's still a problem because you can't guarantee one quick set.

[Dan]

Did you say that he cut the cables while it was under load?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's what my notes say.

[Dan]

People are saying that it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry. He cut the four wires and then. Sorry, sorry, sir. No, no, not while it was. Not while it was actually on. That would be crazy. Let's, let's back up a bit. He cut the four wires and then measured the remaining two wires with a current clamp while it was under load. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. All right, cool. Good. So he's demonstrated two things. One, that the issue could very well be, you know, bad Cables, not necessarily bad cards, but also that it seems to go a little bit deeper than that. Because if a card that is good can't tell that a cable's bad, well, that could be an issue, couldn't it? So this is where the plot thickens. Roman goes on to say, this is Derbauer Roman, that this wasn't a problem on the 3090 ti because it had monitoring and load balancing built into its power delivery design, while 40 and 50 series cards do not. More on this from Buildzoid later. Some others have sort of weighed in. Falcon Northwest are adamant they haven't seen any issues in the systems they've been building and testing with similar equipment. But according to BuildZoid, with the 30 series, there were three shunt resistors and three power phases similar to how a 3x8 pin system would work. While with the 4090 and 5090 they only have two shunt resistors and one power phase. So the way to kind of explain this is that the 5090 has no way of knowing or monitoring which of the 12 volt cables that are plugged into it is actually bringing the power into the board. They all just. They all just join on the board. So all it knows is, hey, I'm getting power. And you might think, okay, well, a simple solution to this would be for Nvidia to put some kind of thermal probe on the connector side of the card. But the problem is that these are. These are toasty cards. You'd be getting so much heat off of the GPU and the memory and the VRMs that could potentially, you know, tell those thermal probes. Oh, yeah, everything's, you know, running really hot, that they wouldn't be able to tell if it's because the cable that's plugged right into it is, is on the verge of melting or if it's just that the card runs pretty frigging hot because it's a 5090. Yeah, I don't know. Do we have our CT scanner time? Oh, okay, hold on a second. Blah, blah, blah, Nvidia, for their part, I did reach out. Nvidia has said, well, here's the situation. We don't. I'm paraphrasing here because this is not like official, but they're basically like, we don't have any of these cards back yet. We need them back so that we can do failure analysis on them. And that's fair enough, but I am sort of worried for Nvidia's sake here that when they get them back, what they're going to find is that if someone plugs in a defective or poorly positioned, poorly seated cable that they have not built the appropriate mitigations into this card and it could continue to be a problem. They do say that very few cards have been impacted, but that doesn't mean that very few cards will ever be impacted. Okay. Oh, this is awesome. So it's CT scanner time. We CT scanned a 3090 founders edition, a 4090 founders edition, and a 5090 founders edition. Below are the scans. They will all have a bookmark in the bottom left panel called 12 volt high power connections which will show the connections to the board. Okay. The scans are 10 out of 10. But I took bad screenshots in a Google Drive here. You can't quite make out PCB components. All right, so I am seeing these for the first time because they've been working on this in the lead up to WAN show. So good luck everybody. Oh, these are going to take a minute to load. So here's a 3090.

[Dan]

Mine has maybe loaded faster.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, let's go over to Luke's screen. Sick. And basically what we're looking at is this one looks like it split into two groups. There should be a bookmark, a view here.

[Dan]

Front view PCB paper chamber. This is the power connectors.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yeah, good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want to flip it over?

[Dan]

Traces pads. Oh, here.

[Linus Sebastian]

There we go. Nope, not that.

[Dan]

I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, go back to the 12 volt high power. Okay, I got someone in chat saying that looks like three shunt resistors to me. The claim from Buildzoid is that 3090 should have three. So I guess that lines up.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right. Now let's go to the 4090. Have you opened that one already? No, I'll click it now. Man, I love this CT scanner. This is so cool.

[Dan]

I'm going to preload 5090.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Perfect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, we're coming back to my screen. Yeah, neat is definitely an understatement.

[Dan]

It takes a hot minute to load.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Sorry guys. This is a really rough scan, but the pins are separate at least from the connectors. What our notes say here, that is a pretty rough scan. Okay, there we go. Where's our. Okay, so this one. Yeah, that is a. That is a much rougher scan. Let's turn our attention to the 5090 because Lucas showed me this one before the show. Okay, so this is the.

[Dan]

Oh, do you want to do mine? I have it already.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, go for it. So here the issue is that the connections are all just tied together into a single bus. So what Lucas was was showing me before is that basically all the 12 volt pins just go into a single power plane and all of the ground pins just go into a single ground plane. So what this means is that the board has no way of knowing which pin is carrying all the power in. So if one of them has a poor connection, one pin has a poor connection, then what will happen is that pin will heat up. The more it heats up, the higher the resistance goes. So the worse the situation gets. Then you can have the connector start to melt, which obviously is not good for the contact of the pins. And all the while all the card will see is I am getting power. Not good. E Sevret in the floatplane chat says Linus. So if you have common power planes, why use a connector that is prone to differential amperage due to resistance? Well, let me tell you, you'll have to ask Nvidia that. Yeah, their board partners don't appear to be doing so. Buildzoid's diagram shows that the RTX 4090 Matrix and 5090 Astral both actually use a different approach that would allow it to detect if one of the pins is carrying too much amperage. This doesn't look great. The only defense that I can see for Nvidia in all of this is that this power connector is technically part of the CM5 industry standard and should be safe at power levels up to 600 watts. But here's the thing, Luke. I remember back when we transitioned to this thing with several people. I've had this conversation several times. I believe we've also talked about it on WAN show. With my limited understanding of electrical engineering and electronics engineering. What I know, both dropouts by the way, is that more. More surface area, more the better, right? When it comes to mating surfaces for an electrical connection, sure.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So why was it that when Nvidia recognized that they were. That we were moving to a point where GPUs were going to require more and more power? What possessed them to go for smaller little tiny pins instead of the big pins we had already?

[Dan]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I still don't understand that and I have yet to have anybody explain it to me. If we moved, say to 24 volt at the same time, sure, I'd be far less concerned. But we didn't. So what? What? And like Nvidia is the one entity other than. Okay, Intel. Sure, intel as well. Nvidia and intel are the two entities that can sort of just declare that we are going to use a new connector, you know, they need something.

[Dan]

Intel can still do that. Historically maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean they are the maintainers of the ATX spec. So you know, there is that.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, okay, historically then intel and Nvidia to just unilaterally make a decision that we're going to use this connector now. So they could have decided on any connector. They could have designed, you know, with a consortium or with some input from others. They could have designed their own connector. We could have gone with, you know, some, some variant of the, the larger older style pins that are also used in CPU power connectors, EPS, ATX 12 volt, all those, all that stuff. They could have used those, those same pins and receptacles and they could have added the sensing wires that are actually a pretty cool part of the spec. Because as long as people don't just jumper them to fool them, theoretically they communicate between the power supply and the GPU so that you don't have a mismatch where you've got a super hungry GPU and an inadequate power supply. That's the theory behind it. But the whole thing where the new connector was rated for more than the old connector, to my like monkey brain, I'm kind of looking at it going why?

[Dan]

Yeah, why was that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Why exactly was that when you've got this obvious potential issue here? Super Whisk says why not just have a connector with two giant spades if it's going to be that way on the inside? Yes, kind of. Yeah.

[Dan]

I can't claim to know so much of this is just like it seems, it seems obvious to me. But I don't know a lot about this so I'm assuming there's like, gotta be something else going on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like I bought a bunch of these RC, RC LiPo battery connectors. I forget what they're called. Yeah, yeah. XT XT 60s and XT 90s. Like if, if you're going to design the card like that, why don't we just, why don't we just use these, These things are sick.

[Dan]

Very chunky.

[Linus Sebastian]

These things are great. And they like won't. Yeah, yeah. J Fife says the XT60 connector can do 30amps at 500 volts. Yeah, why don't we just use that? Because like, yeah, you're going to have the same issue where if it's not connected properly or whatever then you know, you won't have the same issue because you've just got two giant pins.

[Dan]

Plug in Just fine. Really.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you can't have, you can't have one pin have a bad connection.

[Dan]

There's a good amount of space separation between those two.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Why don't we just use that stuff? Cammy Hudson says XT60 is used in my solar panels. They can carry a lot of power. Yeah. Okay, there. All right, there. That's the LTT solution. We're going to move away from the old PCIe connectors. We're going to move away From 12 volt high power. We're going to move away from. We're going to move away from all this stuff and we're going to go to XT 60s. If we're not gonna have protections on it anyway, then we might as well just have a big old. I mean, look, why don't we just.

[Dan]

Go for a little kind of cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's just plug it straight into the wall.

[Dan]

I mean, there was tons of memes about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like tons of them. Especially if you can plug that wall outlet in on the back of your computer and you know, when they have these like, you know, bridging PCBs like they do on the dual flow through design, you could move the, the plug lower in the case.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tynan says you're still in trouble, Linus, because the current into a 50 90s, like 50amps. Okay, Tynan, I will see your 50amps and I will raise you one XT60 connector, dual XT60. It's almost like we had a solution for this before where you just have multiple connectors. If you need more current, we could also just go to XT90. How many amps can XT90 do? Hold on. XT. That thing is. That thing is chunky. That thing's chunk. Are they safe for. Ah. Ah. The rated current is just 40amps. However, the response on ESK8 forum says I wouldn't worry about drawing more than that. The XT. Oh, someone else says they're specced at 90amps for the applicable RC power range, which is generally low voltages of 11 to 24. Okay, so why don't we just go. Why don't we just go to XT90?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What about something like Speak on? Have you seen a Speak on connector?

[Linus Sebastian]

You're gonna have to give me the spelling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speak on one word.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay, sure.

[Dan]

I think I found it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, yeah, they just twist, lock in and click.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go. And you can get professional ones. These are actually huge for $6.25.

[Dan]

These are enormous.

[Linus Sebastian]

No problem.

[Dan]

These are so Big.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'll be your 60, 90.

[Dan]

Let's connect a water hose to my graphics card.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty much.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just. I don't know, man. I. Nvidia might have some defense for this. I don't know what it'll be, but I just don't. I just don't see how after all this drama, it just didn't seem obvious that these are fragile little pins and we just like, shouldn't. And again, I'm not an engineer, but it just seems obvious. And it's one of those things where not only does it seem obvious, because sometimes science is a. Science is a funny little bitch sometimes where something can seem very obvious to the layperson, but when you get into the actual science of it, that seemingly obvious explanation is totally stupid. Right? But not only did this seem obvious at the time, but it has worked out that it was bad. We have seen in the real world that we should just. Can we just stop? Is that an option? Like, maybe Nvidia could just. This would be a great mitigation. Nvidia could call up all their partners tomorrow and say, hey, it put whatever power connectors you want on the new card designs. Yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're over it. We're over it.

[Dan]

So they can, they can keep this with their fes, but everybody else can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Move it because every power supply still needs to have PCIe power connectors on it for older GPUs and for AMD GPU. AMD hasn't adopted the standard and neither has intel, who maybe even is a relevant player at this point. Maybe so two of the three relevant players in discrete GPUs have not adopted the 12 volt high power or 12 volt 2x6. So like, it's not like we, the whole industry moved on and oh my goodness, everyone who bought a power supply in the last couple of years is. It's a brick now because they're not going to be able to plug in the RTX 6090 or whatever. No, everyone still has PCIe power connectors, so. Yeah, so, so Nvidia just. They could call up all their partners and just say it, forget it. Use whatever you want, we're going to do our thing or whatever because all the power supplies still support this connector. Or better yet, we could just not. Sorry that we were such control freaks about this. Maybe we shouldn't have been because this, like, honestly didn't work out too good.

[Dan]

Speaking about calling people, I called the guy. You called the guy?

[Linus Sebastian]

I did call the guy. So I made some notes. I made some notes. And look, look, the guy is under no obligation to help me with any of this. And it was extremely gracious of him to give me some of his time, you know, not everything that he. I wouldn't hold him to anything that he said, but he definitely gave me some valuable, valuable information. So the first thing he told me is that this particular vessel has been for sale for, he thinks, possibly much longer than 23 weeks. That ain't a good sign. Yeah, especially if you factor in that it supposedly got a complete refit in 2016 and was nicely updated in 2022. That seems to sign that very shortly after it was nicely updated, they attempted to sell it, which either tells us that the update didn't go so good, or it tells us that they updated it to sell. To sell, which is not. I mean, you've shopped for a house before, as have I. Tell me this. Riddle me this. Do you want the house that got an update to prepare it for sale?

[Dan]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan]

What did you cover up? Why did you cover it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Why did you paint it? Yeah, what is that paint hiding?

[Dan]

What is hiding under there? Show me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so that isn't good. The other challenge that he brought up to me is, okay, so he also validated that my assumption that part of the issue with this ship is that anyone who can afford a vessel this magnitude, like, here, here, look, guys, just for perspective, okay, I know 123ft doesn't mean anything to a lot of you because you're European, use sensible units, right? So let me put it. Let me just put it in context, okay? The size of this, of this vessel. See these, See this up here? See these little, like, yellow and green things up here?

[Dan]

Those basically dots?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's this. That's a whole, like, barbecue area. This thing is freaking huge. It is enormous. And he validated for me that my assumption that part of the issue with selling it is that anyone who could afford the upkeep for this thing could afford a newer ship. And he also pointed out, even though I hadn't really thought of this, that anybody looking to charter a vessel of this size with that kind of budget, they might want something newer, too. Now, I think we could get around some of that if the idea was that we reno it. We, like, turn it into the gaming yacht. I think that would be a pretty unique selling point. And people aren't gonna check if it was built in 1990 or 2090. I don't. I don't think it'll really matter if it's got all that stuff on board.

[Dan]

I would care if it was built in 2090.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, okay, yeah, fair enough.

[Dan]

I would care a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

I meant like, in the future, I.

[Dan]

Would charter that boat.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that's fair. So the point is just that.

[Dan]

You.

[Linus Sebastian]

Know, it could impact not only our ability to sell it when we're done, but it could also impact our ability to get any revenue out of it once we've finished our renovation. So we might end up, you know, buying this thing as a project and just completely being out that money with absolutely nobody wanting to use it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I got, I got to be honest with you guys. Does this look like tanned skin? Do I look like I go outside, hang out on the water? Like, I'm not, I'm not really a. I'm not really a boating guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Here's another sort of rough number that the guy gave me. He goes upkeep on a ship this size, they kind of say 10% of the value. But let me put it this way. That ship is listed for about 1.6, 1.7 million U.S. dollars. And, and that's annually. 10% annually. So it's listed for 1.6, 1.7million U.S. dollars. And you'd have to have at least two to three crew on it. And if you wanted to have like guests on board, it'd probably be more like five. So you've got your captain, you've got an engineer whose full time job it is is to like take care of.

[Dan]

This ship, keep the boat running.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have at least one more. And then for charters or whatever, you need a couple for, you know, serving and cleaning, stuff like that. Right. It's. It's practically a floating, like, hotel. Like. Yeah. Presidential suite.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, it's huge. Yeah. So I think you guys probably have figured out the problem with that math then, because 10% of, you know, US$1.7 million would be US$170,000 for five staff. For five staff.

[Dan]

Have fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Also, don't forget about, you know, regular cleaning of the ship itself. I'm not talking like cleaning the room and painting pretty often and painting and, and you know, dealing with it anytime something breaks. So 10% of the value. Yeah, that's probably based more on 10% of the value. Like when it was valued like it was new, you know, not like today. So you could easily, easily be spending, you know, 30% of the value of this thing, 40% of the value of this thing a year, depending on whether something goes wrong. There's another big Problem? Are you waiting for the part where I talk about the good stuff?

[Dan]

I know. I want to know what the next big problem is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right.

[Dan]

I feel like there's more than one. More?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So the next big problem is that it is 123ft long.

[Dan]

Why is that a problem?

[Linus Sebastian]

Where the hell are you going to park? Excuse me? I mean moor it, right?

[Dan]

It doesn't come with that, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it could. It could. He said he would reach out to the guy and find the other guy and find out if mooring is included. But what I can tell you now without naming anybody, is I looked on the website of the place where it is moored today and I'm going to change a few details just because I don't want to like out a particular organization and their particular policies. But. But in order to even qualify to have a conversation about mooring my boat there, I would have to have.

[Dan]

Do you have to join the yacht club?

[Linus Sebastian]

No fewer than four references.

[Dan]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who can vouch for me?

[Dan]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I'm changing some numbers and changing some details because I don't want you guys going and bothering any.

[Dan]

One of the most confusing things about obscenely high society to me is how many people are in it. Yeah, that's. That's the weirdest thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You drive around B.C.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's like, man, that's a nice car.

[Dan]

What an incredibly high amount of like three to ten million dollar homes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Three to ten million, please. Let's. Let's go have a look at. Let's go have a look at Shaughnessy, a neighborhood in Vancouver, British Columbia. Here we go, boys.

[Dan]

Oh boy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Meet Shaughnessy. In this neighborhood, three to five million dollars would buy you nothing.

[Dan]

I feel you should Realtor CA.

[Linus Sebastian]

Try 30 to $50 million.

[Dan]

30 to 50. And it's a whole like. Look at all of these portion of the city.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like, like, okay, you can actually, you can see it.

[Dan]

Oh, it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can see it from way out here because you got your, you got your actual like downtown density. You're like high rises and all that. You got your like urban. You got your urban density and then you've got this. That basically looks like like freaking. What would I even compare it to? Yeah, it looks like, like Delta.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, but it's just right there in the middle, smack in the middle of like the entire Vancouver Burnaby area.

[Dan]

Ever been to that area? Maybe driven past it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I have a relative that lives near there. And when I say near there, I don't mean on one of the big plots. I mean, like in the dense parts around it, in the city. And so just for lulls, once I was like, we should go. We should. Come on, we should go drive through. We should go drive through. Dude, look. How many of these places have pools? Look at the percentage of poolage here. Wow, we're in Vancouver. And as someone who owns a pool.

[Dan]

Hey, there's some private tennis courts. That's always a good sign.

[Linus Sebastian]

As someone who literally owns a pool, I will tell you, owning a pool. Pool in Vancouver is stupid. For the. For the. A percentage of the time that you can actually use it out of the year. The amount of maintenance and cost is stupid. Like it's. It's actually stupid. And look at this. Look at this neighborhood. Oh, yeah, right. So it's not just the pool. I mean, what is. What is this? What is this, man? Oh, if. If I bought this place, I would. I would. I would complete it. We'd have the square, the circle, the triangle, and the X. I would fix that up for them real good. What is it? Is it space or shift?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't remember. Space, middle. I can never remember how to get to the other. To the other view on here, Ben. But like, man, these places are frigging wild. Like if you. If you have, you know, a tennis ball court behind your house and you're in Vancouver proper, like this land, this land right here for this tennis court.

[Dan]

Wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Worth millions of dollars.

[Dan]

Say that alone is worth millions.

[Linus Sebastian]

For sure it is a millions of dollars tennis court. Flippin wild, dude. No, it's not that one. It's the. It's the lake. Change the camera angle 1. I can never remember. There it is.

[Dan]

Hey.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, dude. So that gives you just like density difference is wild. Yeah. Compared to like right next to it, huh?

[Dan]

Look at this.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just cross arbutus and it's like. Yeah, we like our privacy. We like all our trees. Look at this, look at this.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Glencroft House. What else is in here? Ah, yes, Canuck Place. Actually, that's a good organization. Sing Duck Monastery Association. Very best. Very best roof. What the what. What is that? What is very best roof? Roofing contractor. Five stars. All right, well, I guess they have the very best roof. Good for them. How did we get onto this conversation? You guys want to see some Shaughnessy house?

[Dan]

Something to do with the yacht?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, that's right. I was talking about the techie. Okay.

[Dan]

Oh, how many people you need to know to get your mooring? Oh, yeah, I pointed out that, like, it's crazy how many incredibly rich people there are. That's the thing that always surprises me. What do you mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, do you guys want. Do you guys want to see some houses in Shaughnessy? Do they care? Are they still into just, like, our overpriced real estate?

[Dan]

I think it's funny. I think it's really funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, cool. Let's do it. Let's do it. Here we go. Realtor Ca.

[Dan]

I know this is super generic, but I showed. I showed Emma recently some. Some Texas mansions that are. I would, like, make a lot of money selling my apartment and buying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

And it was just like, what the heck, dude?

[Linus Sebastian]

There is not a single house for sale in Shaughnessy right now.

[Dan]

Do they. Do they sell it in some other way?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, people, no. Normally there's. Normally there's definitely stuff in here, but this is. It's not loading anything. Oh, no, that's not in, like, the rich part of Shaughnessy. No, there's like. There's like. Yeah, this is. This is nothing. That is very surprising to me. Do I have, like. Do I have filters on or something? I don't think so. You know what it is, though? You know what I bet it is? There's been. I wouldn't call it a crash yet, but there's certainly been a correction.

[Dan]

There's been a downturn.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there's been finally a correction in Vancouver real estate. And even as someone that is significantly invested in Vancouver real estate, I have been rooting for this for a long time because it is not good for our society for nobody to be able to afford somewhere to live.

[Dan]

It is deeply broken up here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it hasn't gone down enough yet, but it has changed a little. And people who own 25, 30, $40 million houses are the kind of people that aren't necessarily under any pressure to sell when the market isn't good, when the market's not right. So if I had to guess, I would say that nobody is selling right now in there, because I think we've got some.

[Dan]

Oh, we've got one working.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, what's wrong with my realtor, Ca?

[Dan]

I'm not sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, here we go, boys.

[Dan]

I've got a few.

[Linus Sebastian]

1263 Balfour Ave. 26. Now, these are Canadian rubles, so like.

[Dan]

30 bucks, but still.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we're looking at about US$17 million. 16. US$17 million.

[Dan]

Only fairly recently, though. Last year, year before, it would have been a lot more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa. I, too, like a glass vessel on my table. With a lazy Susan. I prefer that. Look at this room. What color would you like it? Wood. How much wood? Yes, like, okay, sure.

[Dan]

If they had more plant instead of one plant, I think it could work pretty well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mm. Ah, yes. Sorry. This one, the indoor also has a pool, but we didn't like it outdoors because the indoor, because Linus said it was stupid. So we put it indoors where we can use it all year round. Oh, man. Jeez. It looks like it's, you know, in the country or whatever.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But this is. This is in the city. City, yeah.

[Dan]

How much land do you get for 26 million or whatever that was?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, just like. Like, land land.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, what's the lot?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. It depends. Oh, shoot, I missed that. I don't remember. Compare that to a $17 million US supermansion. Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah, dude. Vancouver is comparing it to, like, pretty rough.

[Dan]

Yeah, like, almost anywhere, man, is crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, get this.

[Dan]

I don't know how we're all still here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get this. Okay. Yeah, you're not looking at. Okay. How big do you think the. The lot is?

[Dan]

From my perceptions, it didn't. It looked like it was a tight wrap around the house. I don't think it was a huge lot, but I could be completely wrong. Let's say 9,000 square feet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Oh, no. You'd be. You'd be pleasantly surprised.

[Dan]

It's more than that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

You'd be the house.

[Linus Sebastian]

The house is over 10,000 square feet.

[Dan]

Well, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is an enormous house. So I think part of the problem of your perception of. Or your ability to estimate it here is that that's a massive house. We only saw a few of the rooms.

[Dan]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you didn't really have anything for scale. And those. And that's an old neighborhood. Those are big trees.

[Dan]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you didn't really have, I think, a sense of the proper scale of this house.

[Dan]

It better be an acre. It's not an acre. Somebody says two acres. It is not two acres. I would think it would be a stretch if it's more than 15,000 square feet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Dan, what do you think?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna probably say half an acre.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'll say half an acre. All right. Luke is the closest. Without going over. Well, it's 17,900.

[Dan]

I'm pretty close. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How many square foot is half an acre?

[Linus Sebastian]

About 25, 20 something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe a little bit.

[Dan]

He said without going over, so it's not really fair. I think it's pretty close.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's Always price. It's right. Rules. I don't make the rules. I don't make the rules.

[Dan]

I think it's pretty close in between.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bob Barker makes the rules. Anyway, that's been listed for 84 days so clearly nobody's buying it for that price. But it also is not outlandish for what you see. Things priced for in that neighborhood is flipping. It's flipping wild, dude. It's flipping wild. All right, what else we got going on today?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some merch messages.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah yes, merch messages. If you guys want to interact with the show, that's the perfect way to do it. We don't really do twitch bits or super chats. We do merge messages. They will go to producer Dan. Haha. We brought him back. Who will. Oh. Who is going to be getting a lot of merch messages today because the keen eyed among you will have noticed this already, but we launched not one, not two, but three new products today that are similar to but legally distinct from.

[Dan]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Some inspiration that we got from a small software company. Yeah, not small in a literal sense, small in a naming sense.

[Dan]

Like almost like maybe a little bit bigger than Nano.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, bigger than Nano, but smaller than Desa. Yeah, real small, small software company. We've got what we're calling. Hold on, hold on. Here we go, here we go. What we're calling the. Do we have a name for them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yes, yes, yes, we've got names. Good. Okay, so each of us is modeling one of our three new shirt designs, starting with doors. So if you look very carefully, you'll notice that these are in fact doors.

[Dan]

They actually have little handles on them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course they do because they're doors.

[Dan]

And you need one on a door.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because they're doors and not windows. And how else would you open them?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so we've got the doors designed which I am going to be modeling for the rest of the show. We've got the brick design. There you go. Comb that. Hold on a second. I have my note. My notes went away. Accidentally bumped them. We've got the. We call this one maze. That one's called maze and we've definitely added something to it. There's a kitty.

[Dan]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you notice the kitty.

[Dan]

Oh, amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, get it? Yeah. Okay, we're really good at this. So there's a little kitty that's there sometimes like there.

[Dan]

The only one. Oh, there's more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there's a little kitty here. Little kitties. They're just, they're there. They're in the maze that that genuinely.

[Dan]

That adds a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So there's a little. There's a little kitty. That was. That was a Lisa innovation, if I recall. Correct.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Transformative art.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

On my left shoulder.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure there's a kitty some there somewhere there. Yeah. Oh, look, little kitty. Oh, got a little kitty back there. There we go. And then we also have the pipes party shirt. So Dan is modeling that one.

[Dan]

Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you look closely, you might find some fun Easter eggs in that one as well. But we'll let you guys sleuth them out. Not only are these S tier conversation starters, but they're made of a silky soft, breathable viscose fabric for all the comfort. They are available now at LMG GG Screensaver.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've got a little video to show you guys too.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? We've got a video?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we're supposed to play that first, but we blew right past that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, way to go, Linus. Anyway, there's a sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Hell yeah. That looks. That looks like a real photo from like way back then. Oh, my goodness. Oh, these all do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

[Dan]

These are great. Oh, my God. That's so amazing. They did a really good job of making it feel like from that time.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is so good.

[Dan]

The red solo cups.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my goodness. Okay. All right, Dan, play the video. Let's do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, let's go back to you guys here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Lttstore.Com. oh, man.

[Dan]

That's fantastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

When they pitched these in merge meeting, I was just like, yes, now do it now. We'll also have some float plane exclusive behind the scenes of this photo shoot where we had a ton of fun building out a 90s style mom's basement set for the product shoot.

[Dan]

I think you said we're gonna have. I think they already have it. Oh, yeah, it's up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's up now.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

So there it is. It's up at LMG GG floatplane. It's 25 minutes long. Floatplane exclusive. People are loving it so far. 65 likes zero dislikes. That went up, I guess about an hour ago. Yeah. Cool. Okay, awesome. Great job to the team on getting this product launched. Yeah, just. I'm super stoked. I don't want to. I don't want to be like that about it. But guys, we have no idea how long this product will last. Yeah, we have no idea if we will ever be able to print more of them.

[Dan]

It's possible. It's possible that a really Small.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, these are Doors software company. These are Doors.

[Dan]

Could.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on. These are Doors. And there's kitties in there.

[Dan]

That's true. I found the one on my shoulder. It was up here. I thought they were saying it was like on the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan is just a depiction of the Internet. That's just the Internet. So I don't.

[Dan]

Is a series of parts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're gonna get sued by Dan Flashes.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I'm just. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that it is possible that if you want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's too complicated.

[Linus Sebastian]

A conversation starter party shirt. It's very similar to the original party shirt. So if you. If you guys liked that one, this is. This is that. But with a very, very cool modern design. Yeah, you should probably just. You should probably just order whichever ones you want and like. Like do that. All right, well, what else are we supposed to. Oh, right, we're supposed to do some merch messages. So you go on the store, you type in your merch message in the cart, and it will go to producer Dan, who will read it, pop it up down here, or even curate it for me and Luke to respond to. So, Dan, you got a merch message or two for us?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do watch the behind the scenes video for the screensaver shirts. Do the older staff sometimes find it hard to relate to the younger staff? What do you do to try to keep yourself up to date with the current meta? Meta is an interesting choice there.

[Linus Sebastian]

League player Elijah hasn't watched the Lord of the Rings.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't like learning things about that man.

[Linus Sebastian]

He hasn't. He hasn't seen it. He, like, knows a lot of iconic moments and stuff because of memes.

[Dan]

Meanwhile, my family's starting our marathon this weekend.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So it's not just that there were different movies, you know, because I think when we were kids, our parents definitely listened to different albums and they watched different movies, but they definitely listened to albums and they watched movies with some of the younger people that are joining the company now. Not all, but some of them. They literally don't watch movies. Like a whole movie.

[Dan]

I've never heard of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, dude. It's just.

[Dan]

I'm probably very disconnected.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just not their medium, the youth. So it's not the medium. Yeah, Artie. Artie's in the chat right now. It's a thing.

[Dan]

My only exposure to the youth, really is when I go to the gym.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, you mean watch one thing for two and a half hours?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke, that's just terrible experience every single time.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. Can't they just sit on their phone while they watch though? Don't they like watching two things? Like, I would think movies would almost be a good medium for them, but then you're.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, that's just one thing.

[Dan]

You sit on the couch, background noise, watching the movie or my doom scrolling.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, because movies require a level of cognitive engagement.

[Dan]

I don't disagree. Sorry, I disagree.

[Linus Sebastian]

You disagree?

[Dan]

Yeah. As someone who grew up with their computer in the family room, who would leave one ear off so I could listen to the movie and watch sometimes during certain points and play games the other bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so I think there's a lot of movies that you could kind of enjoy like that. Like if you're watching Good Burger, sure, fine.

[Dan]

There's a lot of movies like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is true.

[Dan]

Actually. If we look at recently released movies over the last, honestly six years, that's the vast majority of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

But we started this conversation with the Lord of the Rings.

[Dan]

The Lord of the Rings. You gotta die.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not a.

[Dan]

You gotta fuck this up now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What about reading the books? We talk about them not watching movies?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But first. No. I would make the argument that if you want to have any flavor idea which one of the hobbits is the one that's obsessed with food and which one of them is the loyal one and which one cries a lot or whatever, you have to be somewhat paying attention because the Lord of the Rings has a lot of characters.

[Dan]

I will agree. I will agree with Lord of the Rings. Yeah. I would want someone to pay attention.

[Linus Sebastian]

My firstborn didn't make it through the Fellowship of the Ring.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Dan]

How old was he when you tried to do it?

[Linus Sebastian]

About a year ago. Oh, with that said, I probably made a significant tactical error.

[Dan]

Did you over promise?

[Linus Sebastian]

I gave him the extended edition.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're worse movies. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At least you have one less kid.

[Dan]

We will definitely be worried about the extended edition.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's great and that's fine and I'm glad you love them, but they're pretty slow. Yeah, they're pretty slow. Oh, yeah. Linus canceled all. Bloody hell. I knew it was going to happen. I knew it was going to happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was prophesied.

[Dan]

The books thing. Yeah. I mean, I think we've talked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I started with the books just to flex.

[Dan]

So did I. I think we've Talked about this on the Hobbit is what got me into reading at all. I didn't like it very much.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then Hobbit's sick.

[Dan]

I started going with the Hobbit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get to Tom Bombadil.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't make it through Tom Caricature.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nobody makes it through Tom.

[Dan]

Hitting Ivy League universities that have never read a book.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm pretty sure we talked about that online show.

[Dan]

That's. That's wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Prof. Will give them their, like, reading assignment for, you know, the first week or whatever.

[Dan]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like.

[Linus Sebastian]

And they're like, what, like the whole thing? Like, sorry.

[Dan]

These days, honestly, I doubt they even say what. They just, you know, feed it into chat GPT or whatever. Summarize this book for me, please. Thank you. I need talking points for an essay. Oh, good. Talking points. Please write that for me. Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had to do Machiavelli. If you had never read a book before, imagine coming out of that and thinking that this was a. Not a manual, especially as a. As a business major. Everybody was like, this guy's got some really good points. I'm gonna do all of this.

[Dan]

Yikes. Machiavelli's in the new civ game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, did we ever actually finish the tech yacht conversation?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. You got. You went on to, like, mega mansions.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

They are related.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, There's a couple more things that I just want to wrap up on the tech yacht.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Come back to this message.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we'll come. We'll come back to. Well, no, wait. Did we answer this merge message?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Let's just finish the yacht, and then we'll come back and talk about this.

[Dan]

I told you it's gonna be a good show because I allow this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I allow this. It is my design. Go back and talk about your boat, Linus.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the guy. The guy told me that, yes, it would be possible to haul it out of the water, dry dock it, and work on it on land. He called it. What do you call it? On the hard. We could work on it on the hard.

[Dan]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This guy's a boat guy. Makes me feel good.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm learning the lingo. So we could work on it on the hard. But he did say that it would be a lot cheaper to work on it just docked in the marina. Yeah, because anything other than painting is probably cheaper to do in the water because they're gonna bill you by the day that you have it in their freaking shipyard. Because the size of this thing, you can't just, like, you can't just, like, put it on the side of the road and, you know, work on it or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Build by the day.

[Dan]

If you don't do it on the hard, how do you paint the hull?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That has to be done on the hard.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, you said it would be cheaper or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you wouldn't work on the interior.

[Dan]

All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Size of it, major impediment to moving it, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he said that. Chartering, even if they decide to take your ship, like, like a, like a charter company, they'll prioritize their own ships.

[Dan]

Yep. And you have to, like, run it yourself.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're going to take a bunch of money for managing it. So basically, you'll be lucky to break even on a per transaction basis. That's something that I found out on the plain side as well. Unless you're pretty much running your own company and your own crew, it's not really practical. So either way, I think the reasonable conclusion is that regardless of whether we go tech yacht or tech plane, we need more than one of them. Oh, so we'll have our tech fleet and we can really take advantage of the economies of scale of having more than one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you know, a guy now a bulk deal. It's like Costco but for yachts.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think this yacht already is big enough to be the Costco pack.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It's probably about the same square footage.

[Dan]

Yeah. When the floatplane company, I don't remember what they're called. They have a hilariously similar logo to us. I don't know if you've seen it. They're in Vancouver. What are they called again? Company in Vancouver. Harbor Air.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sounds about right.

[Dan]

But then now I'm seeing a logo from them that looks really normal. And I've seen a logo from them that looks like our logo, but just vertical.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would make sense for a float lane company.

[Dan]

It kind of would, but I don't see it now. But apparently, as far as I can tell, they make a pretty solid amount of their money from, like commuters from Vancouver island to Vancouver proper.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Dan]

So what if you did, like, small. You have to compete with them. They're very entrenched. Yeah, that might not be a good idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, I think I just won't do that. They seem like they're happy doing my thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, if you chartered it from here to Nanaimo or something like that, your prices might be less than B.C. fairies, but and actually run on time and you'd probably have better food. You wouldn't be able to take your car, though. Although you probably can't do that very often. They see fairies either.

[Linus Sebastian]

They have triple O's on some of the fairies. That's not that bad. I don't mind a Triple O's burger. All right, what the heck are we supposed to be talking about?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that it for the yacht?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that's it for the yacht, basically.

[Dan]

You know, with how cheap it is apparently, to fly from.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's pretty reasonable, isn't it?

[Dan]

It might be cheaper to just, like, get real estate on the island and then fly to work every day.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Dan]

You'd have to park it. You'd have to park a car.

[Linus Sebastian]

How does that even make any sense? How can you, like, they.

[Dan]

They fill the plane.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. That.

[Dan]

It's not a solo flight. They're. They're like timed departures.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, but it's just a ferry. It's an. It's an air ferry, basically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's also known as a ferry. Get a half bell. That costs about as much as taking the normal ferry.

[Dan]

Yeah, Like, Tynan pointed this out, like, living in Calgary and flying to UBC instead of renting in bc. There's a. There's a kid that did that. Yeah, that's a real story.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I heard about that.

[Dan]

And it was, like, financially reasonable, which is completely absurd. It just shows, like, how broken real estate is here. It needs to. It needs to, like, plummet. It needs to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kraz says. How can Linus not know this? Because I don't commute via flow plane between the island and the mainland. Oh, man. Because I just don't know that. I've never had a reason to do that, man. I'm. I. I think I would move for, like, personal drone, like, the float plane thing that. I mean, that doesn't seem that practical because with the embarking and disembarking and the fact that they're probably dropping you off in, like, the Vancouver harbor and all that.

[Dan]

Oh, it's wicked fast.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it?

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, the embarking disembarking is wicked fast. You're not doing customs. There's no security.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know you're not doing customs, but.

[Dan]

There'S gotta be security with your ticket. And we did it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really? Oh, that's right. You guys did.

[Dan]

It's fast. But the only. The whole reason of waiting is we showed up way too early and then, like, stood around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Define fast, though. Because, like, I don't want to commute more than Half an hour.

[Dan]

There's like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I still got to get in my car on the other side.

[Dan]

I don't mean the plane speed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get to the office.

[Dan]

You were saying embarking and disembarking.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I mean overall, yeah. The whole thing is like, I wouldn't want to commute that. If I was in the office two days a week or one day a week, I might consider living on the island.

[Dan]

We don't. We don't. We didn't. We just went around in a circle. We did a scenic tour. We didn't fly to the island back. So I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

But what I would. What I would want is like the personal drone. Like the personal quadcopter or whatever. I think. I think I would move for it.

[Dan]

If you. If there was a. If there was a. If you had a personal drone and.

[Linus Sebastian]

I could just land on my roof at home. Land on my roof at the office.

[Dan]

You'd put a like heli. Landing pad.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think the city of Surrey would allow it. I don't think Canada has made any meaningful progress on that.

[Dan]

What if you made it so that there was like horizontally opening doors? You like landed in a bay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I do.

[Dan]

You're not landing on the roof.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll just go down by a ladder. Like, I don't. I don't. I don't need anything like that. I hope it's.

[Dan]

You're not landing on the roof.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I just. Oh. I mean, my issue is just. The city of Surrey wouldn't even just allow us to do anything like that. There's no way our strata would allow us to modify our building so that, that's. It's a non starter, like right out of the gate. Bribes a strata. For those of you.

[Dan]

I have an easy solution, actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Crime.

[Dan]

That is usually where it goes. In this case, yeah, probably. But dressed up a little bit better. We gotta bring back Linus Town.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

You can make your own. Your own law. Everybody is allowed to have a personal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Flying part of our religion.

[Dan]

Person drone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. We're still gonna need to follow like transport Canada, you know, rules and stuff for air travel. And I don't think Canada tough for them. I don't think. I don't think Canada's made any meaningful progress.

[Dan]

I think they've got some bigger things to deal with with, you know, the Americans coming up here. Sounds like a good time to. To shoo in some. Some opportunity.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jeez, speaking of shooing in, shall we finish this merch message now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, what even was it again?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don' I watched the behind the scenes video for your screensaver shirts. Do the older staff sometimes find it hard to relate to the younger staff? What do you do to try and keep yourself up to date?

[Linus Sebastian]

Current Meta Keeping yourself up to date, honestly, a lot of the time is as simple as just talking to people who are younger than you. Like, I am often surprised by how disconnected the other parents in my cohort are of the friends of my children. And I'm not calling out anybody specifically, I'm just saying that, like, you know, I'll be like, I set up Discord for my kids. Like, I set up accounts for them and I set them up with a server and I kind of showed them, okay, here's how you do some basic moderation on your server and stuff like that. And then I'll talk to other parents and they, their kids are on Discord. They literally don't even know what it is. Like they're on Discord with my kid and the parents don't even know what it is. And I'm like, like, Discord isn't an algorithmic social media platform. We've discussed this before on WAN show and we kind of agreed that while it isn't algorithmic, so it doesn't have some of the same issues that something like Facebook or TikTok.

[Dan]

It's definitely still social media.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's definitely still social media. And you've got like nine year olds on there. You know, you gotta, you gotta be aware of what they're doing. You've gotta understand these tools. And just, just being around young, younger people and knowing what they're using and what they're doing with it is extremely helpful. And that doesn't mean that I use all of it. Like, I have never installed Snapchat because I don't need a messaging platform that deletes my messages when I'm done. I don't send anybody dick pics, which is the only reason that I can think of.

[Dan]

You did. There would be a better way to do it because it doesn't really delete it and they can screenshot it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Mail. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, like post.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Do you think that happened? That probably happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get out.

[Dan]

That probably did happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, in the ye olde day.

[Linus Sebastian]

In the Polaroid days, I'm sure somebody that probably, I'm sure somebody has mailed a Polaroid of their wang and I.

[Dan]

Bet you despite it being like lower quality, they probably still didn't put much more work into it. It was probably still like and then just mail it off, I bet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Meet on the AOL chat room and just fax them.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, and you know what I think? I think a big part of it too is that we cover tech for a living and that we game gaming has become so age agnostic. And we used to think of it as a really bad thing, you know, when you'd have like some kid on the voice chat that's annoying or whatever. But now I mean it, I don't care at all. Can also. It can still be annoying, but it can also be a good thing because it depends. You're not just connected. Well, yeah. And depends on the adult too.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Blake Maverick says Snapchat is good for video calling. Between Android and iPhone, there are so many solutions for that. You 1000% do not need Snapchat for that.

[Dan]

Yeah, Skype.

[Linus Sebastian]

Skype. Get out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, we're wearing the old shirt.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, they used to be, at that point they were their own independent company.

[Dan]

Did someone say gaming? Yeah, but you don't count anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Elijah, you're not even young anymore.

[Dan]

You're like mini boomer now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mid to late 20s. Ew.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ew.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's like 30 that category anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, what do we. What else we got today?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a second merch message.

[Linus Sebastian]

You've got a lot more than a second merch message.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have to read you a second merch message, people. Are they like these shirts?

[Linus Sebastian]

They are loving these shirts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They are loving these shirts.

[Dan]

A second merge message has. Hit the bricks.

[Linus Sebastian]

What about second? You hit the bricks. Get out of here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hi, dll. Dll. I had to recompile MOF files to fix WMI in Windows this week to get some functions in Powershell to work again. That's managed object format and Windows management instrumentation. What the weird. What's the weirdest PC issues you've had recently? Hidden office used yet?

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't used it yet, but I'm very tempted. Sometimes I walk up those stairs and I see the RGB calling to me. As for weirdest PC issue I've had recently. Oh, dude, I'm sure there's something. Okay. It wasn't strictly speaking a PC issue, but I. I had an issue with my CarPlay yesterday where I was listening to music and it sounded like I was tuned into like an AM radio station that, like, I just barely had reception for. And I checked and I was on CarPlay. What is this? And turning off the car, turning off the phone, turning Everything back on and connecting again. Like, fixed it. But I was like, I've never seen that before. I don't know how that would happen. Everything else about CarPlay was working fine. So clearly the data link between the phone and the car was fine.

[Dan]

The only thing that has started making my car feel like. And I can't tell if it's actually my phone or my car.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because Emma's phone seems to connect to my car no problem. So it might be just my phone, but I'm having, like, Bluetooth issues. And that's actually pretty annoying at this point. But I had a. I have. You know how I had that issue with my phone that I thought was just me and it turned a bunch of people in chat had it where, like, when I would unlock my phone, it would just open the YouTube app and open shorts immediately. And I was like, what the heck? I have another weird conspiracy theory, but this time I doubt even more than anyone else is running into it. Very, very close to the 5000 series GPU launch, there was a driver update that I installed. And now if I'm like, playing a game, videos in browsers will have major issues. Like the video will stop playing, but the audio will keep playing, or it will entirely stop working and then have to load for a long time and then finally pop back in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you tried turning off hardware acceleration?

[Dan]

I've tried a few different things. It's. It's upset. Turning off hardware acceleration usually helps, but then, like, you're turning off hardware.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Which kind of blows.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Willing Spy pointed out there was that RAM that didn't want to train for a long time. The other day, after the.

[Dan]

There is more people. How does this keep happening? I don't know what that is. It's. This issue is not new. Nvidia had drivers that exhibit this behavior before. Oh, all right.

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go.

[Dan]

I've never experienced it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the RAM did train, and we did get 256 gigs working in that AMD system at apparently 5200 mega transfers per second, which is pretty darn impressive. And I don't know, the whole thing didn't make any sense to me. Like, during script review, I was like, kind of annoyed with David for bringing me an AMD build that had. That was using CU dimms. Because CU dims are technology that only intel supports and AMD platforms, you can use the DIMMs in them, but they just run in bypass mode. They don't even use any of the special tomfoolery that's supposed to allow them to go faster. And I was like, yo, we're gonna look like idiots. But he's like, no, no. ASUS and Kingston like work together specifically on these specific DIMMs and this board to like high capacity, whatever research. Yeah. Came prepared. Well, ASUS sponsored the stream and they wanted to show off these dims because they like. Did this work anyway? It did ultimately work at 5200, apparently after. After the stream. So that's pretty cool. I had a couple people say that apparently it'll switch over to Bluetooth LE mode, but my understanding is that the iPhone still doesn't do Bluetooth LE. IPhones don't support LE audio, sadly is the first result here. LE Audio is a new standard, blah, blah, blah. February 2024. Is this something Apple will be introducing? Yeah, I'm not, I'm not aware of Apple actually supporting audio over Bluetooth le, but maybe you guys can let me know if I'm mistaken on that.

[Dan]

As a follow up to chat, talking about the issue that I had, apparently just everybody has it. Every version. Somebody with a 5000 series GPU has it. Somebody with an AMD GPU has. Seems to just be all over the place.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool. Yeah, it's not LE Audio. It's a different bit rate for call kit. Okay. Does sound like a Bluetooth. Yeah. Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a Bluetooth glitch, but it was, it was definitely trippy because I felt like I'd gone back in time. It really did just sound like, like a badly tuned AM radio. It was wild. All right, what else we got for today? Dan, you got another merch message for us?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now let's do another topic and then we'll head into sponsors.

[Dan]

Okay, this announcement here, should we do this now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, sure. We recently built the ultimate sleeper gaming TV. It's pretty sick. It's got a PC with an RTX 4090. It's got a Wii U embedded in it with a spot for the sensor bar to mount at the top and a little flap that comes down so you can load discs in it. It's got a PlayStation 5 on this mount over here and it even has a spot where a switch can go in at the back. And I mean a Nintendo Switch, not a network switch. There's also a network switch, but that one's on the inside.

[Dan]

I was gonna say both sound very realistic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Full disclosure, the Nintendo Switch mounts a little janky. And that only matters because I want to know if anyone wants to buy.

[Dan]

It because it's like super cool. But we don't want to store it forever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So the bill of materials for this thing is about $12,000 US. Is that right?

[Dan]

It says US in the dark.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's got an OLED TV in the front. It's super cool. It weighs a frickin ton. Like, you know, a CRT would. It actually works great. The speakers sound amazing. So yeah, if anybody, you know, wants it, it would feel really sad.

[Dan]

It's a Wii, not a Wii U. It's a modded Wii U with an HDMI port. Mini H to my. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on. This is the frame I want. Don't you hate that? Okay, there you go. So there's the inside of it. It's got this acoustic dampening so that the, you know, sound is better and it doesn't like vibrate or whatever. There's a couple little things you might want to do. I might, you know, configure a fan curve for those fans that are a little loud at the moment. But it's very cool. And we, we, we get people asking us all the time, like, what do you guys do with stuff when you're done with it? And the answer, more often than not, unfortunately, as we take it apart. This may surprise you, but we also have a limited number of top spec GPUs and CPUs and stuff, and we often need to reuse them for new projects. So there's a forum post which Dan will throw in all of the various chats. If you are interested in putting a serious offer in, please go leave a comment on our forum post. And we can't ship it just to get that out of the way. There is absolutely no way that we would ship it. So someone, someone wants it then. Yeah, good luck with that. What else we got? Oh, yeah, we're gonna do a couple of topics. YouTube is apparently the new television. Our source Here is the YouTube blog. In a blog post reflecting on 20 years of YouTube, CEO Neal Mohan revealed that TV is now the most popular device by watch time for YouTube viewing in the U.S. and according to Nielsen, YouTube has been number one in streaming watch time in the U.S. for the past two years. That even though I live and breathe this, this is my entire freaking career and my company, I still find that extremely surprising, genuinely stunning to me.

[Dan]

I don't know, Like, I don't know, it doesn't seem right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I, I can never remember how this horrible new dashboard, it might just be.

[Dan]

So deeply based around like the fact that if you're watching on your phone, you're probably watching Short content and they're strictly going off of watch time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but like, I mean, you might leave YouTube for a long time.

[Dan]

Yeah, but you might leave YouTube running on your TV when you like walk away and stuff. The background noise type situation. I'm watching on my TV YouTube app right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to. Man, I have such a hard time. This. This new dashboard, which isn't really new anymore, but it's just. It's got.

[Dan]

What is that?

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is the comparison metrics.

[Dan]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

So more metrics. I'm trying to look for device and I.

[Dan]

Is there a search?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan]

With that many things, you kind of.

[Linus Sebastian]

End screens, clips, revenue, members, interactions, live. I can never. I, I've. I've figured this out at least a dozen times and then I've had to refigure it out every single flipping time. He has published. Yeah. I don't know.

[Dan]

View traffic sources.

[Linus Sebastian]

View time hours. No, it's not traffic sources. And then there's. Add a metric. Here we go. Yeah, it's got to be it's devices. It's some kind of. If anyone can find it, let me know. It's so horrible. Subscribers, comments. Drives me crazy. Drives me crazy.

[Dan]

I don't see it at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's definitely in there. It's a thing more. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Maybe it's one of these player type. That might be it. YouTube main embedded. No device. There it is. Okay, so watch time hours by device.

[Dan]

So we do not even sort of follow the trend.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, not even a little. We are not trendy boys.

[Dan]

So maybe, maybe that's why it doesn't make any sense to us because we are in a niche that really likes that computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

So here's. Here's last month. This is the last month that we have complete data for. And computer took the lion's share with a little under half of overall viewership. Mobile phone is next, TV third and tablet bringing up the rear.

[Dan]

This is probably about what I would have expected, which means I am solidly within our own private little echo.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Boomer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I guess you just said that to literally all of them, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, not literally all of them.

[Dan]

Half of them, I guess. Half. Fair enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Broadly to the audience as a bucket. Okay. Boomer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, pretty.

[Dan]

It's like the Shauna version of Boomer Boomer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or the French version. All right, why don't we jump into our sponsor spots? Are we supposed to do that, Dan, or are we supposed to do something else first? Okay, we'll do that. The show is brought to you today by Odoo.

[Dan]

Dude, let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Dan]

What the. What is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you spending too much time watching this guy unbox things online?

[Dan]

Who is that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow. Dennis has.

[Dan]

I know it's like he's been given too much power structure, but what face is that?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's really hard to look at, but it's impossible to look away.

[Dan]

I can't tell what face it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Dan]

Zotac copied our Verified Actual Gamer program.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm happy about it.

[Dan]

Zotac is trying to stiff the scalpers by selling RTX 50 series graphics cards directly to gamers via Discord. Their Priority Access campaign allows active participants of the Zotac gaming Discord to enter for a Chance to purchase one of a limited number of 50 series cards available at MSRP. Winners have a limited time to complete their purchase, all serials are tracked and there is a zero tolerance policy against reselling and scalp helping. After a massive influx of new Discord members, Zotec has tweaked the program to make it more inclusive, stating that while active engagement is always encouraged, selection will be based on a fair random process, not participation. So you don't have to spam the Discord.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. I mean we ran into some issues when we launched Verified Actual Gamer as well. Like I remember one of the early ones, the game was really hard and we had people sort of talking to us very respectfully actually about how that might not be great for accessibility.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we were like right, being good at video games is not necessarily necessary to be but it's an actual gamer.

[Dan]

But We. So the way that we got around that was we changed the game every single time because.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Dan]

One of the reasons why we had made it hard initially was we didn't want people to be able to.

[Linus Sebastian]

To like, do it too fast or bought it.

[Dan]

One of the two slow people down. And we didn't want people to be able to bought it. So instead we change it every single time. So botting it would be difficult.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Or pointless.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So a human would beat it before you could code a bot to beat it was kind of the, the idea behind that. But I mean, I guess it just highlights that there's always, there's always challenges, like there's always a monkey paw. You know, you. You try to, to do something in good faith and it doesn't always. It doesn't always work out that great.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Verified actual gamer. I think we ended up losing money on it, in case you're curious.

[Dan]

Oh, I'm sure we did.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Because we did sell at msrp, if.

[Dan]

You include the development time, and we.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did buy them at less than msrp. So, you know, theoretically the, the gross profit on it was positive. But after we put all the work into it and after some people canceled their orders and then they were lost in a warehouse for three years losing value.

[Dan]

Well, that wasn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that wasn't. That wasn't. That was probably avoidable, but I only found out about it a little while ago.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, so that's pretty funny. Way to go, team.

[Dan]

Steam accidentally distributes malware generic looking free to play survival game Pirate Fi. Pirate Florida Pirate Fi. I don't know which peaked at a concurrent player base of 5.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Dan]

Sick. Was removed from the platform. Was removed from Steam. After an update to the game containing malware was distributed on the platform, Valve contacted the affected players, roughly 800 to 1500 people who have downloaded the game and strongly encouraged a full system system scanned using an antivirus or to consider fully reformatting your operating system. Discussion. Should digital storefronts do a better job vetting games and developers? No mention of the game exists from before 23 days ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

That last bit seems like it could have, you know, kind of been vetted.

[Dan]

But overall, it's also tough because what if you just don't want to develop in public and you just want to launch on Steam?

[Linus Sebastian]

And overall, I would say that in general, Steam has had very few malware scandals.

[Dan]

Very few.

[Linus Sebastian]

Considering how much data they dump onto.

[Dan]

People'S systems, feels like they must have acted on this pretty quick and dealt with it pretty well. Pretty quickly. I don't think we want a scenario where they're super heavy handed. Honestly. The app stores right now are really. They've gotten better. Actually. I think I am carrying baggage from years ago when they used to be super annoying. Now they're a little annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke's feeling a little emotional right now. Okay. We need to give him space and we need to give him time.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're, they've, they've, they've gotten better, but they, they used to be a huge pain to deal with. So there's a kind of a happy medium. And as much as I'll flag them for their 30% cut being a little ridiculous, they do do some work. They do do some work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the happy medium, I think, has been found on this. I don't think we should really change.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anything until we run into a bunch more problems when that happens. I mean, given that Steam manages to maintain a very low level of malware distributed by the platform by scanning initial game releases, maybe they just need to do that exact same thing with updates and then maybe this whole thing is solved.

[Dan]

Yeah. Sweet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now this is pretty big. Maybe.

[Dan]

Could be.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could be pretty big. The first major AI copyright case in the US has been decided. Thomson Reuters has won the first major AI copyright case. In a lawsuit filed in 2020, Thomson Reuters claimed that materials from its legal research tool Westlaw had been reproduced by legal AI startup Ross Intelligence. A district court ruled in Thomson Reuters favor on Tuesday, stating none of Ross's possible defenses hold water. I reject them all. Importantly, the AI in question here is not generative AI. It does not write anything itself. It only surfaces existing material in response to a prompt, making it essentially a search engine. This limits the case's utility as a precedent for other lawsuits against generative AI companies like the one we're about to talk about. Meanwhile, the News Media Alliance, a huge collection of news and magazine publishers, including the likes of Conde Nasty, the Guardian, and Vox Media, has filed a copyright and trademark infringement lawsuit against enterprise AI company Cohere, claiming Cohere uses unlicensed copies of content to directly compete with publishers and listed 4,000 specific examples of verbatim regurgitations and substitutional summaries of new content. So I realized that there is a difference between a search database and, you know, sharding out copyrighted content and a generative AI that trains itself on copyrighted content and then regurgitate sharts out something very similar. Yeah, but it seems to me that if any of this holds up, it could basically stop AI development dead in its tracks in the U.S. yes. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. No, no, no.

[Dan]

It'll just make America lose.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's a really complicated question and sure is. No matter how you answer this, you're going to peeve somebody.

[Dan]

Oh, 100%.

[Linus Sebastian]

What should they do?

[Dan]

I have genuinely no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

But what I do know, let's make Dan unpopular. If. Dan, if. What should they do?

[Dan]

America just loses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, I hope you've not been listening.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Should America enforce copyright in a way that is both common sense and legally sensible by penalizing shutting down access to basically obliterating anyone who trains their AI on copyrighted material, which is as far as we can tell, everyone who just plundered first asked for permission later. Or should America just lose the development race for AI because all this, they've.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Already lost it to China, so who cares?

[Dan]

They're calling back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that'll be unpopular.

[Dan]

Have you used the new Gemini stuff?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not the new Gemini stuff, no.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it good or bad?

[Dan]

Pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's all pretty good. I've always said that it's built on the AI is built on child graves, basically. Stolen.

[Dan]

Yeah, but it's already done. There's open source models.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is the problem. It's out of the bag, right?

[Dan]

It's, it's, it's not even like slightly out of the bag. It is out of the bag. And down the street, like there's open source models. People are training on their own already. A lot of the libraries of pirated content have like leaked to a certain degree. I don't know if I should say a lot. Some of them, libraries of pirated content have leaked and you have non US companies competing very heavily with American companies. So the only thing that this will accomplish is make it so that the companies that are worth using their tools for. And if anyone tries to jump in and be like, no, we would just use North American ones, no shot, no shot at all. You will capitulate immediately and use whatever thing is best. This has been proven a trillion times over. There's no even point talking about it. So it just guarantees that countries that are not following your laws are going to be the ones that win this particular race. So I don't know. We talked about this a long time ago, right? Like the, the same debate of like, oh, American lawmakers should pass laws to slow down AI development. It's like, okay, now pass laws to lose. Like that's the only thing that's going to be accomplished. The whole rest of the world is going to Keep going. Everything now is global. The laws in your particular area are.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're interesting.

[Dan]

Deeply irrelevant to overall progress, but they're interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

But other than that, I don't really know. I don't know how much impact they can have on the direction the world is going.

[Dan]

Yep. You think China is going to stop developing AI stuff because some American companies get upset about copyright?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's over.

[Dan]

It's done.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's done.

[Linus Sebastian]

IIRFTW that said, then, is copyright dead? And the answer is it's complicated. It's.

[Dan]

What's the. I saw. This is not an original thought. I. I'm stealing this from someone, but I don't remember who and I don't remember from where, but one of the founders of Reddit pirated like a bunch of science papers or something and then got like some insane amount of years in jail and then ended up ending. What's the. What's the YouTube appropriate word for that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we can just leave it there.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, sounds good. Yeah. Aaron Schwartz. So, like, that's how hard we were on stuff back then. And then we're gonna let this go. That doesn't feel good.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it really doesn't. That doesn't feel right. That doesn't feel right for anyone whose work was stolen.

[Dan]

100%. Including yours.

[Linus Sebastian]

Including mine.

[Dan]

Yep. But like, what, What. What do you. If you think about chess moves, what happens as a result of this? That's where it gets weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because it's like the.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't want to learn Mandarin.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm joking a little bit. But insert any other one, but insert anything else.

[Dan]

What's that? European AI company M. Their logos and M. Do you know, Dan?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not off the top of my head, no. Sorry.

[Dan]

Be an AI company. This will probably find it anthropic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mistral.

[Dan]

Mistral. Mistral.

[Linus Sebastian]

AI Just reading.

[Dan]

So, like, you know, it's not just necessarily China that's going to win, but there are. There are big companies making big moves outside of the U.S. yeah. And they're all using a pretty similar pool of data, which a lot of it is American.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In one particular case, yours. So if you copyright own the Americans and make sure the Americans can't compete, that in no way will stop the rest of the world from pushing on this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, copyright law in general is pretty complicated. I remember there was a big case in, I think it was Ireland, where McDonald's could not prove the trademark towards Big Mac.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I remember this because there was already a restaurant or something, something that was called Big Mac or something like that that had been there for, you know, longer than McDonald's had been. Ever, ever. Yeah. So even doing that type of global trademark across the countries is not possible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Copyright and trademark is just such a complicated mess. It's why we have a tech sack instead of a. Yeah, a tech. Other word. Yeah, the little sack that we have that you can put tech in.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just, I don't like if you want to get really meta.

[Linus Sebastian]

We just changed the name.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean the shirts that you're wearing, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, let's not talk about that. Let's talk instead of this message from J21234. They pointed out that how can you have a certificate of authenticity? This is from the float plane chat that is signed by some guy who just like changes his signature whenever he feels like it.

[Dan]

I will say both of those agree.

[Linus Sebastian]

They are definitely both by my hand.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I have now that I sign more stuff, I have changed to this.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

This takes too long.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's all I have to say about that. Sorry. I can't believe you got by the way the lambo beanie and the Lambo hot potato.

[Dan]

What Incredibly small amount of people accomplish that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably. I don't know.

[Dan]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Linus Sebastian]

This looks well worn.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

This looks like they have been enjoying that. $70.

[Dan]

That's a kook. A loss of US based AI tech would cripple medical and scientific research. If we have to continue with old method methods while other countries research with AI tools. Our state and federal governments have started a ban on foreign softwares. Yeah, I mean this is what I'm talking about. This is why I'm saying you're just making yourself lose. But then that doesn't feel good because it doesn't feel like justice. Because a ton of people are just ripped off to the tune of what should probably be billions of dollars. And they'll almost certainly never see anything for it. Which is like clearly not okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And I mean realistically we're going to end up embroiled in controversy when people are asking four years from now why we didn't raise the alarm about this.

[Dan]

We honest. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

We knew that AI was ripping people off.

[Dan]

This one group knew. Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Why didn't we, why didn't we stop?

[Dan]

Why do they only talk about it on their live show?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not everybody watches that, Luke.

[Dan]

Jerks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not everybody watches that.

[Dan]

But yeah, I don't know. It's. It's weird. It's very uncomfortable honestly, to think about it doesn't feel good either. I don't think there's a feel good answer here. It's do the thing that feels right and lose as a nation, as a country, as a society. Society.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or do the right thing and fade into the dustbin of history. Yeah, essentially.

[Dan]

Or do the wrong thing and try to stay on top.

[Linus Sebastian]

So do we do the wrong thing for the right reasons? Do the ends justify the means? Go quick.

[Dan]

But that's. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, summarize a thousand years of philosophy in one sound bite.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good luck with that.

[Dan]

Be excellent to each other.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thanks, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke agrees with stealing from others.

[Dan]

Oh God, I do not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Amtrak demonstrates great taste encouraging CRT use on their trains. And our source for this is Amtrak. No need to hit pause. When you ride with Amtrak, remember the blissful rush of playing your Nintendo Switch in the backseat of the car, racing to snag one last power up before the battery ran out. Not a care in the world as someone else took care of the driving. Well, there's good news. The technological wizards at Amtrak have created a sort of time machine that simulates this experience. But now there's no parental figure threatening to turn the car around and take away your gaming device. With plenty of power outlets for your gaming devices, complimentary wifi loads, available space between you and your sticky fingered siblings, and overhead storage you can access anytime. There's no better way to keep the gaming lights on than train travel. So go ahead and bring that extra CRT for the smash melee tournament or an entire dual screen monitor setup. You would be far from the first.

[Dan]

I want to like challenge them on this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my goodness. This is amazing. This is the actual Amtrak website.

[Dan]

That dude had an Amtrak branded DS by the way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Dan]

That was why?

[Linus Sebastian]

What the heck? What are we even looking at here? This is so based.

[Dan]

You should do it. You should host a LAN on a train. Fast lander. The fastest lamp party. The fastest terrestrial land party.

[Linus Sebastian]

Floatplane Chat wants us to take the AIoTV.

[Dan]

No, definitely not Tech train. You could get a train car. People used to didn't like really rich people used to do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Lots of people have been talking about that today.

[Dan]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You could get a train car. There's like I do not know a guy in bc. You don't know a guy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know a guy for trains.

[Dan]

I'm sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Then we can't do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Actually don't.

[Dan]

Can't move forward unless Dan knows the guy. I feel like by the end I'm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure I could find a guy that knows the guy next to me.

[Dan]

You'll know a guy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I'll ask around. I'll ask my guys.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone will get in touch with us.

[Dan]

Dude, imagine a train.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you have to pay for the tracks.

[Dan]

Train car?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, I would assume so. I mean, pay for the tracks. Well, yeah, Track time, like, you'd have to schedule.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The tracks are owned by people and you have to pay for them.

[Dan]

It's kind of sucks. But this. This like, used to be a thing. There's got to be some amount of framework.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think it's a thing anymore. Just because something was a thing at some point. I mean, I don't think I could find an ice harvester to bring me ice to store in my cave so that I can keep my vegetables chilly. Like, I know of one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I got a guy too.

[Dan]

Do you need a contact?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't need an ice harvesting contact.

[Dan]

They're selling glacier ice. They're shipping it from Greenland to Dubai.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is just so believable.

[Dan]

No, it's true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't like current year at all. I never have. I want to go back to monkey. I don't want to do this anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

Also, in the floatplane chat, Grelwing asked. Hey, Linus, have you read the feedback on the sponsor spots in the Chinese PCs video? Yes. And we have actually removed significant chunks of it with the YouTube editor. So thank you for your feedback. And I have passed that along to the business team and we have dialed it back. Thank you. I agree that it was too much. Do you want to do. Oh, there's literally nothing left for you. Why don't you do a couple merch messages? Because I got to run to the washroom. And then we're going to talk about a company that reached out to me that actually had a very.

[Dan]

Is it cool?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's cool.

[Dan]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Interesting. You got anything for me, Dan?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do, actually. I've got a couple here. Sorry. Still going through some of the backlog though.

[Dan]

Because they didn't reach out to him. They reached out to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Dan]

And I was like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So he was just lying.

[Dan]

I have no idea what this is. I'm gonna pass this far.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke, have you tried creatine? Ever since I have started it, my recovery time is almost nothing. I've been using it beyond raw for about a year and it's been great.

[Dan]

Yeah. I even. I technically double dose it based off of some. Some advice I got. So I take. Is it milligrams? Milligrams grams.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something like that.

[Dan]

Usually you're supposed to take 5 of whatever it is and I take 10.

[Luke Lafreniere]

5 grams. 10 grams? Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. I like. It seems good. I feel like not everyone is a responder to it. I feel like I am. I think I actually am. That's the only form of anything that I take.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did the 20 gram loading and that was a mistake.

[Dan]

See, I do that and I have no problems. No problems at all. I'll like forget to take it for a week and then load again and nothing doesn't bother me at all. I double dose it every day. No issues whatsoever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you like drink it all in one sitting or do you take it over the day? Interesting.

[Dan]

Fire back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am weak. Confirmed.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's just. I mean. No, it's a. It's a stomach thing. Some people are. Some people respond very negatively to it but still gain the benefits. Some people don't gain the benefits. Some people do gain the benefits and I seem to not respond quickly to it and do gain the benefits. So. Sorry. Not respond negatively to it and do gain the benefits.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I tried again more recently and that ended up being okay.

[Dan]

Promoting personal fitness isn't very Canadian. What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Dan]

What? What are you talking about? Boosted what? I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I've got another one.

[Dan]

This is Body Break.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A little bit more general. Mr. Tips. Birdman, AV Club. What's your memorable Valentine's Day faux pas.

[Dan]

Faux pas?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Fox pass for the Americans.

[Dan]

Faux pas. Am I remembering how that works? Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Somebody did a little social oopsie.

[Dan]

Yeah, I don't know. I can't. I don't really care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nobody ever did in like in embarrassing for a Valentine's Day.

[Linus Sebastian]

For.

[Dan]

For me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Or something you know about. Maybe. I don't know.

[Dan]

I mean usually not to be all traditional about this, but usually I feel like it's me doing things if that makes sense, not the other way around. Not that I'm against that. I just think that's normally how that has gone in my history. I don't know. I don't know. Forgetting. That's a really boring answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a pretty big faux pas. Let's see if I have anything here in incoming for you.

[Dan]

Emma left. Left me a little note in my lunch today. That was cute. I like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

That.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's adorable.

[Dan]

That's not a faux pas though. That was good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey D. What's your opinion and thoughts on the Nvidia D digits upcoming product? Do you believe it'll be popular? Luke, here's your chance to talk about A.I.

[Dan]

Oh, we did it. Yeah, I mean we've been talking about doing something in the office. I've put together a little, a little super group of AI nerds and we've, we've been discussing what we should do because we want to have something in house that people can use not only just for like inline IDE assistance for the developers, but also just to like get people more interested in it. I think like where I'm at right now with AI, I've talked about a fair bit on the show. I think a lot of people misuse it or like, oh, I think it's maybe a little, I don't know if this is fair to say but like I, I don't know, I'm sure other people feel this way too. But like I, I feel like I use it in a way that is good and that a lot of other people don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it like a tool?

[Dan]

How lame is that to say? Very self centered. But yeah, like I. One use case that I've described to a lot of people is that I don't use it to write things for me effectively ever. What I do get it to do is get it to try to interpret the things that I've written because I've noticed, you know, over time some massive percentage of communication is body language and a lot of business and just communication in general is moving to text. So someone said the exact words, sentiment analysis, those are my keywords. I have different various prompts that I use with that. But if I'm sending a message to someone, especially if it's a serious one and I, you know, have the time to iterate through it, I'll write the message up, slap it in there, ask it for a sentiment analysis and then, you know, I might tweak it from there based on what it says and I might even ask it like, what would you change to try to like, you know, shift this to be a little bit more friendly or whatever and I might integrate its ideas but in general I don't actually have it right for me and I think using it in that way, taking that type of thing and Grammarly does that cool. I don't care. Use Grammarly anyways. Using it in this type of way where you're like, you're not ha. You're not taking its output and submitting its output. That's where almost all the issues I have found with it lie are when people are creating a result and just submitting that result. If you use it to do some of the steps for you, if you Use it as a sounding board. If you use it as a form of thinking, but then you check what it says and you verify and you move from there and you use it as a research tool and stuff like that, but it's not outputting the thing that you're submitting and you're checking the stuff that it's saying. You can get a lot of benefit from it. Like an. Actually a sounding board. Elijah, we've already established this. You're effectively a boomer now. You don't get to do that anymore. It's over. I'm sorry. But. Yeah, I don't know. How do you use it, Dan?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I kind of don't really. I don't use it at work. I don't really use it for much. I don't know if that's a problem or not. I have just never really found a need that much. Sometimes I will ask it some very specific questions about which word I'm thinking of, but it's just like a dictionary thing. I'm more interested in, like how they function. Yeah. I don't know. Think less of me for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I mean, I. I missed all of it, but I. I assume that's a valid.

[Dan]

It was like, usage of AI tools. Do you use any AI stuff ever?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not really, no.

[Dan]

Weak.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't. I don't have a use for it. Not at the moment.

[Dan]

I think you could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so too.

[Dan]

I think a lot of people could. I think it's just not in people's habits yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would expect it to be in mine. I just.

[Dan]

I find I don't really often forget about it. And then when I'm like, oh, yeah, I should, like, use this stuff. I do. I'm a little bit faster sometimes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like your idea of using it for sentiment analysis.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think maybe.

[Dan]

Because sometimes I'll sit there and think about things and rewrite things myself. Right. And that can take a while.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sometimes you do more of that than I do.

[Dan]

That's fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Please.

[Dan]

I feel like you could ask about some of the stuff that you do and it might be able to help. Maybe it might also suck a lot. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think the stuff that I'm doing now it can help with.

[Dan]

You don't think it knows stuff about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Although it could probably definitely help me with JavaScript stuff. No, but JavaScript.

[Dan]

Yeah, it could probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And JSON parsing and API. Oh. I asked it how the hell the Microsoft API works, because the SharePoint API is one of the worst things I have ever encountered.

[Dan]

I Remember that brief period of time that we were looking to like, maybe the whole company should use SharePoint. And then we started looking into SharePoint and all we were like, maybe not maybe. That's a no.

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is pretty cool. Remember that, that sport camera company that you linked me up with?

[Dan]

I mean, that was like this week or last week, so. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I don't know what you do or don't remember. So it's called play site. And they, they handle a lot of different courts, a lot of different courts, a lot of different sports. But one of the things that they've apparently done really well in is pickleball clubs. This is not pickleball. I believe that's Padel.

[Dan]

That's not pickleball either.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is also not picking ball. Thank you for that.

[Dan]

Neither is that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, the point is that these guys actually seem like they might be a lot more legit than I thought. I'd never heard of them. Like, I know you know Hawkeye and I know I assumed that, you know, most, most major sports just kind of like had their own setup or whatever, but apparently these guys are, are into video streaming, instant replay, coaching, and like strategy analysis particularly. They apparently do really well in coaching, automated production. They're. They're in a like, whack ton of different sports.

[Dan]

Well, the main, the main reason why it took me a while to get them to you is because I was going back and forth with them for a while because they don't list badminton.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, so, yeah, they don't, because nobody really cares about badminton in North America. Sort of. Except that as we discussed on the call with them, it's growing really fast.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

So he was kind of telling me that where a lot of their business comes from is. So I got on a call with the, with the rep, and he says, yeah, a lot of facilities just. They put in security cameras and then they start getting players coming up to the front desk being like, oh man, I like, made like an epic save on that shot.

[Dan]

Can you get the security camera footage?

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you get me the security camera footage? And they were like, so that's one of the things that we do a really good job of is you could just put a QR code on the side of the court. People could just scan the QR code, go into their app, and then they can download, you know, the last 30 seconds or whatever of the match. They can also apparently do instant replay. Whether you use it for line calls or whether you use it just, just for like, I don't know, Just like doing an epic instant replay. That's apparently something that they work on.

[Dan]

And it could be kind of sick if there was like a screen on the court or maybe you just use your phone and like, if there's a dispute, you can just watch it back.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we're set up for that. So we have power and Ethernet between every single court with that we put there because we intended to have. Whether it was for scorekeeping or whether it was, for instance, replay or whether it was for whatever else we have networking. We have power throughout the facility. And the way that it works is it's a charge per camera and then basically it's a charge per camera per year and you have to lock in for a term. But I didn't realize how big these guys are. Apparently they have thousands of clubs. Guys, is there anyone in. Anyone in chat, anyone in floatplane chat that has used playsight before, like in a facility or for coaching or training or for a stream? El Tord asks, can you do local compute? I doubt it, given the specs of the on site server that they gave me. However, from my understanding, basically everything is RTMP or rtsp. And if we wanted to also do some like, machine vision analysis on that video data, nothing would prevent us from multicasting it to their thing and to a completely separate thing. Dan, feel free to correct me if what I'm saying is stupid. What does that mean?

[Dan]

He hasn't been listening. That's what that means.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When do I. When do I not?

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, fair enough.

[Dan]

He's trying to respond to merge messages. He's trying to do his job.

[Linus Sebastian]

See? Yeah, nobody here is. Nobody here has apparently used it, but these guys say they're in thousands of club, so I would think at least, you know, okay, fine. You know what? I'm leaving. I'm leaving the confines of float plane chat and I'm going to YouTube chat to see if anyone here has ever seen this. No, nobody's. Nobody's seen this. Nobody's heard of this. They're talking about SharePoint still, apparently still.

[Luke Lafreniere]

God, yeah, SharePoint's awful.

[Dan]

Yeah, the second I said that about SharePoint, I was like, and there's gonna be people fighting.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, Moy. Brilliant. Apparently you can like, you can pay wall matches or tournaments. So if you have like a major tournament or something, then that can be a revenue source if people want to watch it.

[Dan]

I find this to be. I don't. I don't want to piss him off, but. Here, one sec.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, what now?

[Dan]

Just a little, little website Thing that annoys me. Okay. I'm on their website, I scroll down, roll down. Oh, there's a footer. Never mind. Scroll down. Oh, there's a footer. Never mind, go down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this their blog?

[Dan]

Never mind. Media. It's their media page.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, brilliant.

[Dan]

Yeah, I was like actually trying to click something down there. I was like, ah, come on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rysa says, I think there's a very small overlap between tech people and badminton people. We're not talking badminton people, though. They, they do like baseball.

[Dan]

Any sports. They have so many sports.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there's like a ton of sports and they have like real footage of people playing those sports at what appears to be a reasonably high level.

[Dan]

So think about how many arenas and clubs and stuff there is. Just in the States alone, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, no, for sure.

[Dan]

Thousands. They're not saying tens of thousands, just the high schools. Yeah, pal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hytus says, I think his point still stands.

[Dan]

What point?

[Linus Sebastian]

The overlap between athlete people and. I mean, come on, let's give ourselves some credit, people.

[Dan]

Does Marques not count?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, exactly. See, that's what I'm talking about.

[Dan]

I play badminton a lot. Yeah, I used to do many a sport.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I used to, you know, he used to. Back in, back in the day, back in my day, back in his day, dude, we played this game called Lift. We played this game called the voting game. Have you heard of it? I don't know, whatever. One of one of Yvonne's friends bought it on TEMU or something. Basically it just is full of cards that make a statement and then everyone is holding a number and they, they play that number anonymously and the number corresponds to someone around the table that they think matches the statement. And one of the statements was they peaked in high school.

[Dan]

I'd probably get a few of those.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, it ended up being a very hurtful game, I'm sure. Overall. Yeah, yeah, I got, I got. Yeah.

[Dan]

What were yours?

[Linus Sebastian]

That I was. Oh, gives awkward hugs. Really was mine and Yvonne voted for me. My own wife.

[Dan]

That's rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Voted for me for. Gives awkward hugs.

[Dan]

That's rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

She clarified. She didn't, she was like. No, I don't mean in like a like creepy, weird way. I mean in like you don't like touching people and so it's kind of awkward when you touch people way.

[Dan]

I mean, that lines up. I've known you for like 15 years. I think we've hugged twice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that sounds great.

[Dan]

Name them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not much of a I'm not much of a physical contact guy in general, so when people.

[Dan]

Started the, like, elbow bump thing at conventions, when people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yo, dude, that's. That's, like, my line now. When people, like, are taken aback by the fist bump, I'm like, dude, look, I was a germaphobe way before. It was cool. No. So when people. When people, like, go in for the hug, I'm like, I don't know whether my arm goes this way or my arm goes this way. I'm also, like, kind of a weird height because for a lot of men, I'm like, like, in their shoulder. Probably go like, to go like this to, like. Anyway, I'm trying to think if there's any other ones that were really uncomfortable, but there were definitely. Oh. Oh, yeah. One of them was spends too much time maintaining their image on social media.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, of course I got voted.

[Dan]

Obvious.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course.

[Dan]

Anyone else get a vote other than you?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

They were one of the moms.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, because the thing is, honestly. And I actually maintain that that was the correct answer, because I spend. Would you call anything that I do curating my image, please?

[Dan]

Yeah, all of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have staff curating.

[Linus Sebastian]

See? And the question specifically was that I spend a ton of my time doing it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He spends the time undoing everything that everyone else tries to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

This guy gets it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, he's like, anti that mom.

[Dan]

Someone in chat called one of the two times, by the way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, where is it?

[Dan]

Kuro identified it because one of the two times was at the roast.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the other two time with the other time was when you tried to quit.

[Dan]

Oh, okay. Three. Okay, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm missing one.

[Dan]

Then the. The ten year plaque.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that checks out. That checks out. The 10 year. 10 year service award presentation. Wow, that is a. You know what, though? That makes them special.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

They really care.

[Dan]

I don't care, to be clear, just in case anyone's like, like. No, I. I genuinely don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

They really count. Okay. Brownstein says, come on, Linus. Everyone knows. Right arm goes up, left arm goes down, and hug. I didn't know that. I don't hug people. Is that a thing?

[Dan]

I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it one of those things?

[Dan]

I didn't know the rule, but I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it one of those things, like which side of the sidewalk you walk on? Where? It depends what country you're in. Oh, maybe if I'm in Australia or if I'm in the uk. Do I go left arm up? I don't know. Maybe people are saying, I didn't know that he made that up. Yeah.

[Dan]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. No, I don't. I go over the top with both arms. Says boosted. Well, I wish you'd been there for the game, because then I wouldn't have had to win that one. That's definitely awkward.

[Dan]

Did you win anything else?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, a ton of stuff. I don't really remember a lot of it.

[Dan]

That's fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let me see, Let me see.

[Dan]

Less impactful.

[Linus Sebastian]

My wife can remember anything. I definitely got roasted as much, if not more, than anyone else. That much is certainly for sure.

[Dan]

That makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, wife, you're live on the WAN show. Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah. You sound in the middle of something. Oh, I am, but what's up? Hey, when we were playing the voting game, can you remember any of the awful ones that I got voted for, other than the awkward hug one? Oh, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you got voted for, like, who was the one that took the most recent selfie?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, I did win that one. Okay. In fairness to me, though, there was a very good reason for taking it. It was like a. No, it was. I was on set and I was testing selfie cameras compared to my daily driver phone. Like, it wasn't because I was all, like at the club and I was like, like, I, Come on. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if that really counts that much. You, you also got voted for, like, who was most likely to yell at.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You for putting garbage and recycling or.

[Linus Sebastian]

Recycling garbage or something like that. Yeah, I won that one.

[Dan]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, you know what? I think we're gonna. This is a good conversation. Thank you very much. I'll see you soon, hon. Okay, bye.

[Dan]

Bye.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I got voted. I, I. And the reason that I won that one was because the last time one of those people was over, I like, I, like, moved some stuff that they had put away after they left it, like, started resorting it. I am, I am not, like, I'm not militant about it or anything like that. For me, it's more just that sometimes it really is no more work at all to do it properly. So in those cases where it is literally not more work at all. Oh, no. I don't know. It just seems like not more work to put it in the right thing. And I, I, I definitely garbage and recycling, I'm a little less fussy about. But when it comes to organics in the garbage, I actually do legitimately get kind of upset about that. Oh, that doesn't count. Yeah, like, come on, don't put organic stuff in the garbage. I. I had this, I had this book when I was a kid. It was super cool. I've never been able to find it again. It must have been like a really limited print. But it was called, it had an aluminum cover and one of the first article or one of the first chapters in it was like explaining it. Or maybe it wasn't one of the first, but somewhere in it it explained the process of like recycling aluminum and how the COVID was. I had gone through that process. It was super cool. I really forget what it was called. Maybe like Cabinet of Curiosities. Maybe it was something else. No, I think that might have been a different book. The point is it doesn't matter.

[Dan]

It sounds pretty sick though.

[Linus Sebastian]

It. Yeah, it was a super cool like.

[Dan]

Little like physical demonstration. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And one of the chapters in it was about the decomposition of organic material, or rather the lack thereof in landfills because it becomes an anaerobic environment with no light. You can dig a hot dog out of a landfill 20 years later and it will like it had a picture of a hot dog that was like ancient and it looked like you could just barbecue it and eat it. Like it was, it was crazy. And so yeah, definitely the design and.

[Dan]

Engineering behind landfills is like actually surprisingly very interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

It gets me very upset though to see organic material thrown into the landfill when it could be composted and you know, reused. But anywho, what are we supposed to be talking about? No one cares about playsight thing. No one knows what the heck it is, so. And apparently I have to commit to a multi year term in order to like even. Yeah, they don't have a trial unfortunately. Although I wonder if we byo hardware if they might be able to make an exception on that because part of their whole deal is that they give you the cameras in the server and then you sign up for a multi year deal. If it just sucks, well then I guess you should get good scrub.

[Dan]

Do they realize that if it sucks they're probably going to get like dragged.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, they had no idea who we were.

[Dan]

Really.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, he was explaining to me about like the specs of their server and how it has all their technology. And I was like, dude, don't tell me what technology is in a server, please.

[Dan]

Weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, remember too, whoever like watches LTT is not necessarily going to be in their sales department. That's another small overlap like sales people and people who watch ltt.

[Dan]

Probably someone there knew, but that isn't the person who reached it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, aj, the. The feature that I think is the hardest to replicate would be like, the. The tips, because they give you, like, feedback on your gameplay, don't they?

[Linus Sebastian]

I doubt they would be able to do that for badminton, given they don't even officially support the sport.

[Dan]

I asked this.

[Linus Sebastian]

The. Even the rep was like, yeah, we're looking to get into it. Yeah.

[Dan]

I knew they would just lie to get on a call. That's so common.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly, it still looks like it might be. It might still be pretty good, but.

[Dan]

We have enough work to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would really want to try it. Yeah, yeah, that too. That too. I think we're still. I think we're still waiting on getting some of the other infra stuff there, like, prepped for land parties and stuff. Like, I don't think we're anywhere near getting all the cameras hooked up. Dan and I are still going back and forth on what cameras we want to use.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Requirements are changing, I think. Oh, no, no. Like, from original. Like, we discussed this the other day.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they've changed since the original requirements. It's just that the camera that I found that I really liked that met all of my requirements. Dan found that their implementation of RTMP was really bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was really disappointing. But we might be able to still use it.

[Dan]

No, A.J.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let A.J. cook.

[Dan]

No, we don't want to do badminton video mass ingest and distribution through floatplane.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, we really don't. It can't be that hard. He says, no, we're just gonna stream for free on Twitch. And.

[Dan]

I was. I was gonna make that reference. He beat me to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I think it's time for After Dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Dan]

Sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So we have a new thing. It's at the bottom of the dock where you have to read about the floatplane announcements.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, what's that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Where's that at?

[Dan]

The right above sponsors, right below the Last Watch video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I can watch a video. Oh, my God. Well, this is off to a good start.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I guess we're gonna need audio for this automatically.

[Dan]

Looks amazing. I am so excited.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you ready, Dan?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here we go.

[Dan]

Give him so.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's perfect.

[Dan]

It's a line.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. And it's Alex.

[Dan]

We call float playing get subscribed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's the preview. What is the line, in your opinion.

[Dan]

Between janky and stupid?

[Linus Sebastian]

If it plays well and is amusing in a video, then it's janky.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a 21 inch concert speaker.

[Linus Sebastian]

That we got in for a while ago. It would be really funny to put.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It in the back of Linus's van.

[Linus Sebastian]

I suspect that it would be large.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And powerful enough to literally blow out the windows.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow, that was great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Please put in guitar sounds there, Sammy.

[Dan]

Instructions on that intro was genuinely amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He said it was his magnum opus.

[Dan]

That's actually so good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

10 out of 10. Good job.

[Dan]

And not only was the concept great, but Alex killed that. That was hype. Fantastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

We will have three separate videos dedicated to Alex, as you saw in the trailer, so make sure to subscribe at LMG GG Alex 25.

[Dan]

That was so good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those are all coming very soon. And is this Alex at the top of the thing?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, that makes sense. I can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's in the icon too.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can barely even recognize him there. Okay, that's a little more. That's more recognizable. This is. This is uncomfortable.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think Sonny's been doing that for a bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay, good stuff. The sparking paintbrush is absolutely ace tier.

[Dan]

Amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, Dan, time for After Dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure, sure. Let me get switched over here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, I don't remember the last time we launched an apparel product that resonated like this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This has been spicy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Poor dan still has 15 messages and incoming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am just about done with them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sheesh.

[Dan]

Is it dividing up? Like, who do we have, like, people voting with their wallet? Yeah, like what's winning?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Oh, we should. We should defin guess before I look it up though. Okay, okay, hold on. Let me just get the dashboard open so that people aren't gonna have to wait too long here.

[Dan]

You have to do rank ranked voting. Rank list voting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my goodness. Okay, yeah, I can. I can do that.

[Dan]

No, no, I'm just. I'm just saying, like. Oh, I thought with us three.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, no, we should do ranked choice voting.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

For which or. No, we should just have to. No, we should. Well, we should just say what we think our podium is.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. Okay. And are we guessing. Are we saying which one we like better and seeing if we agree with the community, or are we guessing which one sold better?

[Dan]

I'm honestly, I think I'm doing both.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're gonna do both. Oh, and you think it'll be the same?

[Dan]

You believe.

[Linus Sebastian]

You believe that our community's tastes will be perfectly aligned with your own?

[Dan]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pipe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pipe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So everyone, Everyone. Okay, zip it. We all have. You written it down.

[Dan]

I wrote it down.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're done already? Okay. Okay, so.

[Dan]

And I, to be clear, they're all amazing. They're all great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, you gotta do the thing. I wrote it here in that one.

[Dan]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

You're not gonna give him a ding for saying the Maze shirt is amazing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

He wasn't intending to.

[Dan]

No, I did this.

[Linus Sebastian]

He did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

He gets a ding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sorry, Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

Thank you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so we all reveal our. Our. Our guesses. Let's have Dan go first.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm going with pipe, doors, Maze.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pipe, doors, maze. You differ. You differ. Okay, so hold on, Dan. Dan is pipe doors.

[Dan]

I could see that being correct, but mine differs.

[Linus Sebastian]

And Luke is Doors, pipes, maze. And in a massive surprise to everyone, doors by space. I live in Luke's head, apparently.

[Dan]

Wait, did you write down what you thought I was gonna say?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I just. We just. I don't know. It's like we just. We order the same thing at restaurants.

[Dan]

It does happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a whole thing.

[Dan]

You know, I've literally had people ask me what I'm gonna order at a restaurant before knowing that Linus has ordered first. First. And without looking at the menu, I'll just be whatever line has got. I'm sure it's fine. And it's literally always been fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm a very safe food orderer. That is probably part of it.

[Dan]

That is fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

I tend to just go with, like, I don't know, what's a bowl that just, like, everything in it is sort of universally believed to be delicious. I'll just go with that.

[Dan]

It's a pretty good approach. Soup is so underrated. It bothers me.

[Linus Sebastian]

It can be a little hit or miss, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's either top tier or. Absolutely.

[Dan]

But I don't think it's that hard to make really good soup.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Would you go to a restaurant and order soup?

[Dan]

I have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, sure. Like French. Good French onion soup.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good French onion soup.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, please.

[Dan]

Clam chowder, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

It can also be horrible, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't really do a lot of fish anyway, so I wouldn't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Both.

[Dan]

Amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right. 18 results. Oh, man. This is broken down by sizes. Bloody hell. No, no. I think I can. I think I can work it out. I think I can work it out. Oh, I don't know if I can work it out.

[Dan]

Oh, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Someone's gonna have to do the math for me here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you want me to pull up the things and have a look okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I got you. I got you. Okay, so the various sizes. Okay, so doors.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got this, Luke?

[Linus Sebastian]

I've got. I've got 6, 23, 24, 29, 35, and 44. Okay for Maze.

[Dan]

Hold on.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, just. We'll get all the numbers first. We'll get all the numbers first because someone in Chat will probably just do it for us anyway. Maze. I've got one. 14. 14, 17. 17, 18. Dan, I think. Oh, no. We all said that Maze would be in last. Oh, okay.

[Dan]

We did.

[Linus Sebastian]

So now we just need doors.

[Dan]

Pipes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, we need pipes, which I gave you doors first. Okay, Pipes. Pipes. Okay, here comes pipes. 7.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

25.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. All right. There we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

27. Whoa. 29. Whoa. 31.

[Dan]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it falls behind in the large size at 42.

[Dan]

42.

[Linus Sebastian]

42. Whoa.

[Dan]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Dan]

It's the same.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're dead.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're tied.

[Linus Sebastian]

Shut up.

[Dan]

161.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We all lose.

[Dan]

That's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No one is winners.

[Dan]

That's wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dang it. Nobody called that? No, no. Hell. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that was fun. Okay, tell me this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Incredible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now, normally, and I. That's a joke. Because. Normal curve. Anyway, the point is, normally medium would be our. Would be the peak of our bell curve. If you had to guess, would you say that this particular product skews more petite or more husky?

[Dan]

Bigger.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bigger.

[Dan]

Bigger for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bigger for sure.

[Dan]

Average audience buying it would probably be older. Generally larger.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have never seen anything skew this heavily. Large.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Large is number one, followed very closely by extra large, followed very closely by extra. Extra large, followed closely by medium, followed distantly by small.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All of them are like bigger bodybuilders than Luke. Because anybody that would buy this shirt would be just huge.

[Dan]

Just Chad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Absolutely muscle bound Chad. Or a short king. One of the two.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, yeah, pretty. Pretty interesting. So I guess we. We all get to be both wrong and right. Sort of. Ish. Yeah. Great job, everyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good work.

[Linus Sebastian]

No trophies. What else we got today? Oh, more merch messages.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Should we just get into some merch messages?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, hit me. Dan, how does that sound?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's see. We already did that one. Hi. Lld. Over the past years, I've gotten many letters from healthcare providers telling me that I'm impacted by a data breach. They all offer one to two years of credit monitoring. Should they be doing more?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Dan]

Sorry I don't have a ton to add.

[Linus Sebastian]

Credit monitoring doesn't even do that much. It just tells you after the fact that something bad happens by the way.

[Dan]

If you haven't been checking your credit card statement or anything else.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah like like and man TransUnion and Equifax and those guys like yucky industry. By the way this is funny IIR FTW says this is peak large IT guy needing to wear a collar for work but knowing he can't be fired.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh this is. This is cobalt programming clothes. Hey Linus, hope your motorcycle is going well. Wondering if you have any wrecks for helmet or music call systems. Also possibility on some of the carplay systems or HUDs. Interesting bike tech out there.

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't ridden in over two years while I've been painting my bike I have made zero progress in the last week. When I get back into it I am somewhat interested in looking into some in helmet stuff but honestly the, the most advanced thing that I ever implemented was wired speakers that were just like little flat speakers that were ripped off of some cost headphones that I double sided taped into my helmet and then just like cable managed down and then I plugged into a phone that was in my pocket with a three and a half millimeter jack and then I had a pebble smartphone hot glued to a magnet and then magnet it onto the the dash of my bike so that I could change the track. That's as good as I ever got. And then if I needed directions I would just use turn by turning which is really annoying when you're listening to music and sucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey lld, with myself going to college this upcoming fall for computer and electrical engineering, I wanted to ask what education got you interested into tech? Also big fan of the channel Computer Lab.

[Linus Sebastian]

Computer lab in school man playing that Dino park tycoon playing that Math Circus. I got into games extremely young and then most of my motivation for learning about computers was so that my games would run better.

[Dan]

Yeah, I, I started my, my core interest in computers other than my dad just pushing me to be interested in it was because I wanted to be able to play Diablo on land with my buddy and I was like how does this work? I need to something something. What are all these words? Why do they matter? Yeah. And then yeah it was largely I want to be able. I want to understand because you know, money's tight. I want to understand what upgrades are important so that I can keep playing new games as they come out. Stuff like that. And then I had an affinity for it when I went to school so I joined that class and my computers teacher was amazing. So that helped a lot. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey LLD for Luke. I hope you like that this will be used by our spacecraft systems engineering team to build smallsats and cubesats. What are some of your favorite missions that you have read about?

[Dan]

Screwdriver or something?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, they purchased a precision multi bit and the case.

[Dan]

Sick. This wouldn't necessarily be read about.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's so cool.

[Dan]

But I. It's very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

LTT precision driver working on like satellites.

[Dan]

Is that sick?

[Linus Sebastian]

Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's perfect for the cubesats because they're like pretty small. It's like amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's so cool.

[Dan]

Project Light sale. Light sale.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God. I'm getting an ad for Aries Tech.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have we had this conversation on wan show before? The one about like, how far we'll come back to it up an organization you have to go to reach the level where people know it's a grift, you know, because I do believe that there are people who work in that organization or, you know, Scientology or, you know, whatever. Right. Like, like, surely L. Ron Hubbard knew it was a grift and his like accountant must have known it was a grift.

[Dan]

You know, sometimes you might just actually be crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, that is possible. That's possible. But I. I can't. I can't believe that about every grift organization for sure. I can't believe that.

[Dan]

Yeah. So like, I'm just saying, like, sometimes how far up?

[Linus Sebastian]

And I think there's also probably like a. I think there's also probably like a, like a time element to this as well. Like if you look at, you know.

[Dan]

Self long enough or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah. Like you look at some very large organizations in the world that have been around for a very long time, accumulating vast amounts of wealth in the process. You know, at some point someone probably knew it was a grift.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And. But maybe, maybe that knowledge died out and people who were indoctrinated made their way up into the upper ranks and people. And people no longer like. No. Yeah.

[Dan]

A person. 123 in full plane chat. Said in quotes, but I don't know if it's a quote or not. Never underestimate the ability of someone to not know something if their paycheck depends on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sounds like there's a lot that sounds correct, Luke.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thank you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He'S so smart. I like my John.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, Linus, I missed that and I'm probably glad I did. How high up do you have to go in an organization like a tech for them to know it's a grift? You think? Because I. I do actually believe that some of the influencers, like, believe in 5G, you know, whatever radiation's killing the plants or whatever. Right. Like, there's. There's certainly going to be some that do.

[Dan]

If you're not working on. On administrative teams or engineering teams at that company, like, when are you exposed to. Does it work or not?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, probably not that often because, like, the engineers would know, I'm sure, if they even have any. Like. Yeah, yeah, right. And like, the product designers, I guess. Yeah, the product designers would have to know, because they'd have to know that they're just, like, you know, drawing it.

[Dan]

There's a weird part of this job that I would expect we would be doing that we're not doing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. But beyond that, like, do you.

[Dan]

The people running their hilarious demos, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you think their salespeople and marketing people know it's a grift, or do they just recruit the believers?

[Dan]

I'm sure there's an ability to recruit the believers there. There's also this concept of, like, you know, if you tell yourself something enough, you will start to believe it. And if you believe something to a certain degree and people push you on it and you just get defensive, you can, like, build up a fortress of things that aren't necessarily true, but you might not necessarily even realize it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Dan]

There's a lot of weird things, like human brains.

[Linus Sebastian]

A. Funny, funny.

[Dan]

I was talking to Emma about this the other day. The fact that everyone just shrugs off the placebo effect is wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Placebo effect is huge.

[Dan]

Like, actually one of the most wild things ever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, seriously, one of the best things you can do if you, like, like, literally get cancer is to just believe that you're gonna make it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, it's not a guarantee, but the difference that it makes to survival rates to have a positive attitude and think you're gonna beat something is wild.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've also heard warts is a huge one. If you just think about your wart going away. It's like medical science at this point.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, That's. That's insane. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's like a real, real thing.

[Dan]

But, like, so many people will hear about placebo for the first time and just be like, yeah, it's like, what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's also no nocebo. You can't also talk about one without the other one. The negative effects. You think that this medication is going to hurt you, and then it actually hurts you.

[Dan]

Yeah. Even if it doesn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Even if it's placebo or fake, you're.

[Dan]

Just making up that it has negative side effects.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. You get more awards.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is why real medical trials need controls and everything needs to be double blind and all of that stuff. Absolutely.

[Dan]

I was telling Emma I'm really happy that people do research on this stuff. And to a certain degree, in certain cases, I think it's probably beneficial for me to not know more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's real witchcraft.

[Dan]

Because, like, if I think it's gonna work, once I get to that conclusion, as long as I'm certain it's not gonna, like, be really harmful for me, I don't want to know more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because if I think it's gonna work, then. Okay, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then if you find, you know, some, like, Dr. YouTuber or something that's like. Yeah. Actually the whole thing's a grift. Then now it has no chance.

[Dan]

Now it stops working. Yeah, it might have been working.

[Linus Sebastian]

It might have been working, because you might. And, like, that doesn't make Luke an idiot. It just makes him a human being. Yeah, we are.

[Dan]

This happens to all of us. We are so and, like, so flawed all the time. Placebo effect. Effect doesn't just affect medicine stuff. It affects your ability to perform in, like, sport. In. In basically everything. If you. Yeah, it's. It's wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember when we were at the gym and I thought I was lifting 40 pounds because I can't do math?

[Linus Sebastian]

This was nuts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That happened many times.

[Dan]

This was nuts. He genuinely lifted, like, a lot more than his previous max and lifted it multiple times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did, like, a full PR stuff.

[Dan]

He was done that. He had lifted, like, 20 pounds, pounds more than last time because I. I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Forgot to include the bar. And then, like, went up 45 pounds, which is like, this is only five more. And then just, like, benched it for eight.

[Linus Sebastian]

We aren't recommending that.

[Dan]

No, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

We are not recommending that.

[Dan]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I could have seriously hurt myself at all.

[Dan]

Yeah. And we talked about that afterwards, actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Absolutely, Absolutely. Extremely dangerous.

[Dan]

But it's just wild that his brain. Brain was like, this is fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's only £20.

[Dan]

And then it just happened. And then he was just able to lift at that level moving forward because he now had evidence that he could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, the brain, mind, body connection is really, really important for lifting weights anyway. And so if I was just saying, yeah, I can lift this, and then my body did.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. Navsguy842 says that's why getting volunteers to work on your grift organization is awesome because then, you know, they believe in it.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that makes the grift organization so much more powerful and so much more persuasive.

[Dan]

Whoa.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's awful.

[Dan]

That makes so much sense, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. 100%. Porto says I hate the world. Yeah, the world isn't the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The world's got trees and things.

[Dan]

Anyways, talking about cool things, someone asked me my favorite thing that I read about. My favorite. I don't know, something to do with space that I read about, and I. What?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, carry on. Oh, did I rip away showing it? Oh, well, here you go.

[Dan]

I contributed to this back in the day, and it was super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, you contributed to this? What did you do?

[Dan]

Oh, no. Money.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, geez.

[Dan]

Okay, I was not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was like, what?

[Dan]

Functionally useful.

[Linus Sebastian]

How have I never.

[Dan]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was. Yeah, a little. Little. I think it was a cubesat, technically. Little. Little satellite. And they. They had this enormous sail that they put on it that unfolded when it got out there. Because technically light has momentum. So that's why it's called light sail, because they're using light as a propulsion.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Dan]

Which is super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And it totally wouldn't have worked unless. Not actually how placebo effect works.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're like the Orcs from 40K.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it's a. It's a planetary society thing. I thought. And think it's super cool. There's a light sail too. There's all this other kind of stuff. I don't know. I didn't really read a part about that because I was. I don't know. I guess I did technically read about it. Anyways, whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is going on?

[Dan]

What is this?

[Linus Sebastian]

We're playing Dino Park Tycoon for the rest of the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it's a wonderful game.

[Dan]

You're getting EVE ads based.

[Linus Sebastian]

I need to. I need to change the zoom. Just a title. You know what?

[Dan]

We could just go buy land at the real estate office.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could just go full screen. Hold on.

[Dan]

Mocking the BC people.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a function one. Hello? Okay, I. Why is. What's the. What's the bloody hotkey for full screen? Okay, I'm pressing. Okay. See? Luke, verify for me, please. I'm not an idiot.

[Dan]

Yes. Is the function screwed up? Is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's not look correct. I don't. Okay. All right, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So hit this.

[Linus Sebastian]

So there's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That works on the top, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I just don't know what's in there.

[Dan]

Are we no longer playing it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, we're playing it on the Right, right.

[Dan]

Are the new shirts call friendly? I'm. I'm tall. I'm not.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're not.

[Dan]

But it fits like this.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're not tell sized out for. Yeah, they're not tall sizing, but they're.

[Dan]

Not really helps that it's short sleeve.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And they're reasonably tuckable, I think.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right, what else we got for. What else we got for?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Linus, do you have a video favorite that you have made? And Luke, which Scrapyard wars was your favorite?

[Dan]

Four.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. I don't think with the fire.

[Dan]

Yeah, I don't think it's like even reasonable that there will be one that could ever trump that for me. Like overall, like production quality and all that type of stuff. I think the most recent one, whatever number it was, is probably our best one. But four will always hold a special spot in my heart. Working with Rod on that was like probably one of the highlights of working on computers. Like, oh, he's in chat. No way. Working with Rod on that was sick. That was like easily one of the coolest computers I've ever made. The fact that the power went out of the office and we had to present at my parents house was just like sick. I don't know. We made a computer that lit on freaking fire, dude. Like, what do you. How do you even. I don't. And it was like actually really cool. Like the integration of burlap, the fact that we use an actual like old iron grill. The fact that we had multiple types of fire. We didn't just. We didn't just settle with one form of fire. That would have been lame. We had to have multiple sources of fire and multiple different types of fire. We had like the 3, 2, 1 rule of fire instead of backup. It was. Yeah, it was, it was. It was really fun. I had. I had like a genuinely just really good time and I really liked the result that we ended with. And it's great. And I'm always gonna say four is what it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Linus, do you have a favorite video?

[Linus Sebastian]

I like a favorite video video. Like, like one favorite video overall.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Look at those wages.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, we're gonna need a little bit of food. Oh, crap. What kind of food does this one eat?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can anybody explain?

[Dan]

Nvidia does that every day. Is an amazing comment. Did no one else react to this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Dan]

I'm talking about the fire computer and GM Sheepo does that every day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, you win. You win.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just Upset now.

[Dan]

Oh, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I don't know what the heck my dinosaur eats.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is happening?

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, Wook.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wyness and Wan. What was the last DIY tech project that made you excited or you really enjoyed doing? I recently had an arcade cabinet watching one of your old videos, and it was so much fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man. When's the last. What's the last, like, DIY tech project I did? Trying to think.

[Dan]

GM Sheepo said, I work on rockets and getting a ding is my proudest moment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just for you, buddy.

[Dan]

That's brutal. No, it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's quite an honor, to be perfectly honest. Oh, we should make them a plaque. Can hang it. Can hang it over their PhD.

[Dan]

That's a very unfortunately human thing, I think. Oh, no. This is why all the kids want to be youtubers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's free dopamine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am legitimately. I'm legitimately more pleased than I probably should be with the pool water cooling setup.

[Dan]

Yeah. Why? That's more than you should be?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I don't know. Because it's stupid.

[Dan]

Who cares?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. It's just. Yeah, I. I like it.

[Dan]

I mean, it's fair to care that.

[Linus Sebastian]

It could be better. It could be better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a good answer.

[Dan]

So could literally everything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But I. Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with that. Not. Because it's the last one. That made me really excited, man. There was something really recent that I was, like, jazzed to do. I mean, I had a ton of fun working on that all in one gaming tv. That was really cool.

[Dan]

Chat's being very funny today.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with whole pool water cooling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a good one. Howdy. LLD from Oklahoma.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You need a comment there? Question for Luke. What is the challenge with operating a video site that people don't realize is actually kind of card also, Linus. Return of the tall sizes.

[Linus Sebastian]

When we are definitely. We're gonna do tall sizes. It's. It's gonna happen. I don't know exactly when, but they're working on it.

[Dan]

I think. I think it's just that you have to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

I died already. This is a very unforgivingly difficult game. In case died.

[Dan]

You die in this game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

100%.

[Dan]

Huh? Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I'm gonna try again.

[Dan]

I think it's probably just that you have to do everything. Like, if you're a site that has text posts, it's like, okay, well, we have creators that can post text posts. And all the users can comment. So there's that. If your site that does audio, okay, well, we support audio. If you're site that does downloading, okay, well, we support downloading. If you're a site that does video, okay, well, we support. We support video. If you're something that does live streaming, okay, well, we support live streaming. It's just like, oh, there's just so many things. And then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I couldn't even imagine even conceptualizing how to implement live chat.

[Dan]

Oh, I mean, there's. I think you could if you sat down and worked on it for a while.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but like, you have to do the whole thing. Yeah, but you have to do the whole everything.

[Dan]

With all web development, there's. Now I'm going to pull it back slightly because of your comments. This is what I wanted to admit. There's. There's some amount of stuff that you can lean on, right? Like even. Even live chat. Like, we didn't do this. But if you look at Twitch's origins, they leaned on IRC really heavily. You could dial into Twitch live chats through IRC clients without going on Twitch at all. Back in the day, that was a thing. People used IRC bots for original bot interaction on. On Twitch, people say you still can. Wow, I didn't know that you still can, but it's a huge pain. Got it. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. So, like, there's. There's some amount of, like, Internet development does not at all happen in a vacuum anymore, and it hasn't for a really long time. So there's like some amount of other stuff you can lean on, but there's just. There's just so many things that you have to do. It's. It's very complicated, mostly because of how multifaceted it is. If we could just do vod, it would be a lot easier. If we could just do live streaming, it would be a lot easier. If we could just do photos, it'd be a lot easier, etc. And that makes it difficult to scale, because it's already difficult to scale a website that just does. Even text and at a certain level of scale, that ends up being not the easiest thing in the world. And then you make it so that you're scaling all these different things all at the same time. And it's like, yeah, I don't know. That'll be my answer. I guess just throw terraform at it. I really appreciate that you threw the slash s at the end of that. I appreciate it. Yeah. People think stuff like that. Is a lot more simple than it is because there's. I mean, it comes down to things like there's. There's forms of scaling that just like, throwing more servers at it will not solve your problem either. Yeah, you have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways.

[Dan]

Yeah. Next one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's bad. Hello, Wan show. Linus, last week you mentioned that how to Train youn Dragon was a perfect movie. Can you expand on that? Dan? Have you watched it yet? No. Luke, have you played Final Fantasy 6?

[Dan]

I have played it, but I'm really not much further. But I have played it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's on my list. Sorry, Lus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's.

[Dan]

So are you gonna watch the live action?

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I will watch it. We've talked about that already.

[Dan]

Got it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I am. I'm very legitimately actually kind of excited for the live action. Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm. I'm a little bit excited for the live action. It looks like they're pretty faithful to the perfect movie, which is the original. But nothing's a guarantee until things actually happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So. Why is it a perfect movie?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it is. It has a perfect soundtrack. It is emotional and. And funny. It's. Yeah, it's a. It's. Ah, man. Okay. Perfect movie. Damn it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Better than Paddington 2.

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't seen Paddington 2, unfortunately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that lost its 100 rating.

[Dan]

It had a 100 rating.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was a perfect film according to Rotten Tomatoes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man, I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's only 99 perfect.

[Dan]

Someone probably just trolled it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, that's on the. That's on the. I don't know.

[Dan]

Oh, the, like, reviewer side.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know how I would define a perfect movie other than that. It's. It's so tight.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How to Train youn Dragon also has 99% film critics, so I think you're accurate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, it. It. There's. There's just. There is absolutely nothing out of place in it. I saw this wonderful breakdown of how well integrated the score and all the major themes for all the major characters is. And. And how. How the. How the. The. The character themes blend together as the characters. Relationships change. Like, it's just. Oh, it's so good. It's so enjoyable for all ages. I think that's something that is really, really tough to nail, like a movie that is for kids, but that I don't just have to kind of like, make my way through. Like, what did I. What did we go to see with them recently? We went. We went to Milana too, with the kids recently, and it was like, fine. Like it's a visual spectacle and everything but it like we were just kind of. We're kind of making our way through it. How to Train youn Dragon is incredible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will definitely throw it on my list. I mean it is on my list all the. Just throw it against my eyes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hi lld. What are your thoughts on Google starting fingerprinting? For example, cookie list tracking on Sunday. Thoughts on how to avoid it? Considering how many services Google has, I thought fingerprinting had been going on for a long time.

[Dan]

Forms of it. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fingerprint. Scary, scary.

[Linus Sebastian]

I forgot a fence.

[Dan]

How to avoid it is tough as far as my understanding goes. Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The clown. The clown and the thumbs up.

[Dan]

Albertosaurus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's a thing.

[Dan]

Okay. Cool name.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe people will start coming to the park auction today. What do they sell water blocks here? Next up we have.

[Dan]

What are we talking about? What was I talking about? Oh, how to avoid fingerprinting. Buy a laptop not using your credit card and then don't sign into any account on it ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What about it being fingerprinted by being on your local network attached to other computers?

[Dan]

Do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Either monkey go live in the forest or that this is why I want to live in the forest.

[Dan]

Yeah, the whole like it's only anonymized data. It's like. Yeah, until they attach it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you ever seen Google Analytics data? It's horrifying. Oh, did they fix the if you're under 18 Google data yet?

[Linus Sebastian]

I doubt it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Everybody forgot about that immediately.

[Linus Sebastian]

Welp.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hi guys. I've been watching the channel since I bought my AMD Phenom X4 and wanted to learn how to overclock.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a minute ago.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I thought that he wanted to learn how to overclock his Anomaly four and this was a joke message but. Oh no, no, this is. Did you just misread it? No, I. I did the first time. That's what I thought he was asking for tips.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice for how to overclock it now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But no, that's when I started.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Well there's a great channel that you can check out to learn how to overclock that phenom x4 NCIX tech tips. I think that was where we uploaded the guide for that. Man, I wish overclocking was still a thing. Apparently 5080. I've heard it's pretty good. I haven't actually.

[Dan]

No experience myself. I've heard.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I'd love to get one somehow.

[Dan]

I mean you could borrow one once we're done working with it, but we're not. So go away.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, I've. I've committed to the people that any 50 series GPUs.

[Dan]

Oh, I just meant for like playing around with overclocking. For keeping.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

But it's ours.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I take anything home, it's. I'm gonna have to buy it, which means I'm gonna be waiting a minute because I'm not on any. I'm not on any wait lists, so.

[Dan]

I've heard. 5,80s are becoming more acquirable.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're less exciting.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that would explain it. I don't think AI developers care about them at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, last one I got for you today. Sure. Gonna get the rest next week when lanyards win. And if it hasn't been mentioned since I can't watch live. Is there a story of the cat in the maze?

[Linus Sebastian]

Cats are cute and they're awesome, and.

[Dan]

That'S a pretty good story. Yeah, there's half a cat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well. Oh, no, that's less cute.

[Dan]

There's a full cat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, full cats are better than half cats.

[Dan]

Yeah, well, no, he's just hiding. Yeah, it's probably full if you look behind the stitch.

[Linus Sebastian]

As for. As for wan lanyards, I mean, I. I think we don't.

[Dan]

We have those lanyards. I stole that from Game Grime and Chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well, we had them at some point. I thought we did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is this.

[Dan]

Oh, it's currently. Notify me when available.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's just this color scheme. Yeah, it's my favorite color scheme. That one is the one that I still use. I don't know. I will tell you, though, that we've had a lot of designs that have faded away off the site over the years. And I. I pitched something to the merch team. There's no guarantee that anything will actually happen with it, but I pitched to them that it would be pretty cool for us to bring up like a big list of all our old designs and then throw it to the community.

[Dan]

Thunderdome.

[Linus Sebastian]

And let them vote for Thunderdome. Like one or a small handful for us to bring back.

[Dan]

I can think of a few that if they came back, I'd try to, like, buy a couple of them so I can have them for a while.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke Nukem.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I still wear mine regularly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't get one. I'm sad.

[Dan]

Did I tell you about the one time I wore it out?

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you did.

[Dan]

I might have. I had to. I had to go pick up Emma's car from a Tire shop. She was getting tire swapped. And I was just like. I was just, like, lounging at home. So I just had what I was. Whatever I was wearing on. I forgot I was wearing the Luke Newcomb shirt.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which you secretly wear whenever you don't think anyone's looking. Yes. Go on.

[Dan]

Oh, no, no. And I. And I go to walk to pick it up, and the guy just looks at me, looks down my shirt, and I don't remember exactly what he says, but it's something along the lines of, like, luke Nukem. Eh, he doesn't know my name. I didn't give them my name ever. But he just. He just vibe checked me and just knew. And I was just like, why are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You wearing a shirt with your face on it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it does look like you. Sarah told me when she was working on it, she was like, I don't think I can make it look like him. I'm like, dude, it looks like him. You did a great job. Ship it.

[Dan]

So literally, the one time I wore it, like, outdoors, I got called on it immediately. I was outside of my car, both at home and there for, like, less than five minutes.

[Linus Sebastian]

How have I forgotten this story? Snuggle says you told this story a billion times. Well, whatever.

[Dan]

Pretty sure I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

I love it every single time then.

[Dan]

Oh, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I love every time hearing you say, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Dan]

Bye.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Keep me on my toes for that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm gonna win too, now. I. I threw away a lot of money letting that dinosaur escape.

[Dan]

No, you have to go. You have to go home.

[Linus Sebastian]

You ready?