I Ordered My New iPhone - WAN Show September 12, 2025

Summary

The WAN Show – September 12, 2025: "I Ordered My New iPhone"

Hosts: Linus Sebastian & Luke Lafreniere (with frequent appearances from Dan)
Air Date: September 13, 2025
Episode Theme: The latest Apple iPhone launch, Apple’s shifting product strategies, Tesla's FSD redefinition, tech news from AI to Nintendo, plus behind-the-scenes at LTT—including Scrapyard Wars tales and travel woes.

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Episode Overview

In this lively and often tangential episode, Linus and Luke dive into Apple's newly announced iPhone 17 lineup and related products, scrutinize Tesla’s backpedal on its Full-Self Driving claims, react to fresh industry lawsuits, debate the decline of the open web, and grudgingly praise and critique other recent developments in the tech world. The show is packed with anecdotes from recent travels, a spirited recap of the latest Scrapyard Wars, and an unhurried, banter-filled exchange that stays true to WAN Show tradition.

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1. Apple September Event & iPhone 17 Launch (04:52–19:51)

Key Features & Reactions

• New Camera Tech: All new iPhones introducing a square sensor center stage front cam, allowing for easier cropping and reframing in post.

  • Linus: “I love that Apple is doing this…You can just shoot square, and use safe zones later.” (05:08–06:06)

• Selfie Framing via AI: Apple promotes "High Apple Intelligence" to enhance selfies and automate frame expansion.

  • “If all it’s doing is recognizing human faces…then sure. Machine learning is already doing that pretty good.” – Linus (06:07)

• Upgrades Across the Board:

  • All models: Ceramic Shield 2 glass, base 256GB storage, 120Hz display (even on base model).
  • Linus: “That brings them up to speed with cheap Android phones from years ago...But it also takes away the obstacles that many iPhone upgraders are waiting for.” (07:00)

• Pricing and Value:

  • Base iPhone 17: $800, 8GB RAM, dual 48MP cameras, 6.3" display, up to 30h video playback.
  • “That’s a lot of money. But it’s the current gen phone…same starting price as last year, but more storage and 120Hz.” – Linus (08:44)

• iPhone Air – Controversial New Model:

  • Uses flagship A19 Pro chip, thin titanium build, single camera, eSIM only, less battery life than flagship models.
  • Linus: “I can see why it’s a controversial device…really polarizing…I do think that there are going to be people it appeals to.” (16:55)

• Materials Whiplash in Apple Marketing:

  • Last year: Titanium fanfare. This year: Aluminum hyped—except for the Air, which is titanium again.
  • “Can Apple just get some consistency in their marketing for these materials?” – Linus (15:26)

• Notable Omission – The Mini & Plus:

  • No new Mini since iPhone 12/13, which frustrates fans wanting a smaller top-end phone. Linus bemoans the lack of an iPhone 17 Plus, calling the 16 Plus a “great middle ground.” (18:03)

Memorable Quotes

• “It’s like the sequel to Water World. It’s just Inflation World, starring Kevin Costner.”
  – Linus (08:45)

• “Do you know how many people think you are, like, destitutely poor?”
  – Linus to Luke, about his aversion to buying a new phone (21:07)

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2. Daily Driver Challenge & Personal Phone Takes (19:51–26:53)

• Linus, for the first time, is going to daily drive all three new iPhones, carrying them in his LTT cargo pants pockets to find his favorite.
• GrapheneOS Experience: Linus enjoyed its speed, battery, and security, but finds it too fiddly for anyone switching phones often. “Sometimes I’m that kind of person… but for my phone, I don’t think I am. Not anymore.” (25:38)
• Pixel 9a: Praised for “flipping outstanding battery life” but some annoying glitches (especially with SwiftKey).

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3. AirPods Pro 3S: Upgrades & Luke’s Peculiar Storage Solution (31:17–39:20)

• Big Upgrades: Two times better active noise canceling, smaller form factor, two more hours of battery, new extra-extra small (“double XS”) ear tips for kids, new microphones, and heart rate sensing.

  • Linus: “If these are that but more better-er, I am stoked.” (31:19)

• Luke’s controversial habit: He briefly stores his AirPods in the notch above his ear (like sunglasses).

  • “This was a lot easier to do when they were longer.” – Luke (32:56)
  • “That is actually unhinged.” – Linus (33:00)
  • “Literally nobody agrees with you… but this is a step too far.” (33:04)

• Wider implications: Linus sees Apple getting more “scrappy,” holding AirPods prices despite feature boosts.

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4. Tesla Full Self-Driving – A Bait-and-Switch? (92:01–100:23)

• Tesla rebrands “Full Self-Driving” as “Supervised Full Self-Driving,” now $8,000, no longer promising “unsupervised” autonomy.

  • Linus: “FSD is not fully unsupervised… wake up at your destination like we said... Now it just means ‘advanced driving system’ under specified conditions.” (92:01)

• Historical promises chronicled (since 2016), with the tech never delivered.

• Linus recounts arguing at a party with a finance bro who wouldn’t believe Tesla’s own admission that old hardware couldn’t possibly deliver what was initially promised.

• Class Action Comparison: If Corsair just paid $5.5M for an XMP default–what will Tesla pay for a decade of undeliverable features? (99:25)

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5. AI Lawsuits, Copyright, and the Decline of the Open Web (41:19–44:39, 184:10–188:12)

• Anthropic settles (for now) over using copyrighted books for AI training, but the judge has not approved the deal.

  • Linus: “This wouldn’t be a precedent… matter still unresolved if you can copy copyrighted works to train your AI.” (41:24)

• Warner Bros sues Midjourney: For using their IP to train image models, including Superman likenesses.

  • Linus: "Midjourney looks pretty, pretty guilty here. And in the current legal framework, this seems like a pretty big Yikes." (186:44)

• Google Admits Open Web is Declining:

  • Linus: “Don’t you love when our corporate overlords confirm what we knew all along?” (01:59)

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6. Rambly Tangents & Travel Nightmares (54:03–72:21)

• Luke’s Epic Return Journey: Sofia, Bulgaria → Munich → Berlin → Vancouver via three planes, three trains, two Ubers, on comically delayed European transportation.

  • "I think every single train was late... The only answer is gamer plane and gamer train." – Linus (04:31–04:40)
  • Humorous digressions about gamer vehicles and travel mishaps.

• Linus’s LA Trip: Recalls a narrowly avoided stranding due to Canadian air traffic controller shortages.

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7. Scrapyard Wars 10 – Drama, Rule Bending, and Cheating Confessions (111:24–137:38)

• Extended debate over what counts as cheating/smart play, especially regarding team members sourcing free or nearly-free equipment, and the limits (if any) of “wheeling and dealing.”
• Scrapyard Wars defense: “It has always been the letter of the law and what you can get away with to win.” – Linus (117:37)
• Discussion of legendary deals, underhanded tactics, and their fluctuating legacy of cheaty play.
• Dan’s (in)famous projector drop, Sammy’s MVP status, and struggles with Shadow PC streaming due to network peculiarities.

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8. Notable Tech News & Mini-Topics

Nintendo Patent Controversy (164:37–170:52)

• Nintendo patents gameplay mechanic for summoning in-game characters (think: Pokémon battles).
  • Linus: “Could Nintendo just… get some consistency?… No good justification for this.” (168:31–169:02)
  • Debate on whether patents like this can ever benefit the consumer.

Corsair "Out-of-the-Box" Memory Class-Action (43:09–48:20)

• Corsair fined for RAM not hitting rated XMP speeds by default.
  • Linus: "This seems to open up an entire can of worms... pretty difficult to advertise a lot of things..." (43:17)

Miscellaneous Quick Topics

• Mexico to tax “violent” video games 8%, citing outdated research. (181:23–183:28)
• eBay restricts expensive imports from certain countries (161:50–163:47)
• Google/AOSP open-source delays threaten Android security updates. (154:15–157:15)
• AI-generated content threatens the open web, prompting new technical/licensing responses.

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9. Practical Tech Bits

• Intel quietly relaunches 10th-gen chips as “new” in developing markets; Linus criticizes deceptive branding. (157:15–161:50)
• Spotify Lossless Audio finally (supposedly) rolling out, but will users notice? (190:25–193:49)
• China bans flush door handles on cars by 2027, citing emergency rescue risks. (194:08–195:39)
• Lidar navigation systems can damage camera sensors—MKBHD’s camera destroyed by car’s IR sensors. (195:49–)

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10. Regular Segments & Q&A

• Merch/Deals: New backpack + tech sack promo, cable management product discounts, polling for favorite new screwdriver color. (72:27–76:31)
• Parasocial relationships: Discussion of fame, interactions with fans, and the awkwardness of being recognized. (80:31–89:47)
• After Dark: More offbeat questions, like the modeling software Linus’s daughter uses, and reflections on holding Saturn V RAM modules.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Apple/iPhone Event Overview: 04:52–19:51
• iPhone Air/Marketing Consistency: 11:14–16:55
• Tech Tangents, Travel Stories: 54:03–72:21
• Scrapyard Wars Deep Dive: 111:24–137:13
• Tesla FSD Redefinition: 92:01–100:23
• Nintendo Patent Controversy: 164:37–170:52
• Corsair Class-Action: 43:09–48:20
• AI Lawsuits & Open Web: 41:19–44:39, 184:10–188:12
• Spotify Lossless: 190:25–193:49
• Lidar Sensor Damage: 195:49–196:40

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Memorable Quotes

• On Apple’s Feature Creep:
  “Maybe the rest of them are crap, but the AirPods Pro 3s look pretty freakin awesome.” — Linus (00:48)

• On Tesla:
  “I don’t respect people who lie to me constantly over and over... because I feel that that shows disrespect to me, and therefore I cannot respect that.” — Linus (95:21)

• On Corporate Branding/Obfuscation:
  “Can we just stop with the deceptive branding? This is not a new product.” — Linus, on Intel’s ‘new’ CPU (160:03)

• On Nintendo’s Patent:
  "Could Nintendo just…get some consistency?…No good justification for this." (169:02)

• On Tech Lawsuits:
  “Midjourney looks pretty, pretty guilty here…in the current legal framework, this seems like a pretty big Yikes.” — Linus (186:44)

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Final Thoughts

The episode showcases the classic WAN blend: deeply nerdy hardware takes, irreverent humor, consumer advocacy, skepticism of tech marketing, and love for tangents—keeping tech accessible and human. Linus and Luke turn product launches and tech lawsuits into both practical buying advice and fodder for bigger conversations about honesty, innovation, and trust in the industry.

For die-hard fans and casual listeners alike, you’ll leave with a clearer sense of how tech’s biggest names are maneuvering in 2025—and a reminder that sometimes, the real lessons of self-driving are “the friends we made along the way.”

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

What is up you fine folks? And welcome to the. That's never happened before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I swear that's never happened before.

[Linus Sebastian]

First time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

First time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look, I'm almost 40. We got a great show for you guys today. Apple's event was actually maybe kind of exciting. It could just be that my excitement about the new AirPods Pro 3S is bleeding over into all the other products.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That might be true, but they look really cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe the rest of them are crap, but the AirPods Pro 3s look pretty freakin awesome. In other news this week, the real self driving was the friends we made. Along the way, Tesla has changed the definition of full self driving, completely abandoning their promise of unsupervised autonomous driving. We're talking about that later. What else we got this week?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nintendo gets another video game patent. And the whole Internet loved that. No, no they didn't. Also for the people that that said that the AI summary, things were definitely not doing anything to search. Google has now admitted that the open web is in rapid decline.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, rapid decline. Not just regular decline. The rapidest of cool lines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't you love when our corporate overlords confirm what we knew all along?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I just. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

The show today is brought to you by Proton, Vessi, Squarespace and Delta Hub. Alongside of course, Our rap partner dBrand, our laptop partner Dell, and our chair partner, Secret Lab. That's right. My friends, it's hard times. We have seven sponsors on the land show. We're gonna, we're gonna spread them out a little bit though. Kind of sprinkle them here and there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. We could wear like, like Nike, like headbands and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's that movie?

[Linus Sebastian]

That movie?

[Dan]

Ricky Bobby.

[Linus Sebastian]

Gremlins.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, not Ricky Bobby. The Music 1.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Music Movie La La Land.

[Dan]

Was it also talking about Walk Hard?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no details for anyone.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're great world.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There we go. Oh my God. Why did you do so the Music.

[Dan]

One with like the Pizza Hut breaking the fourth wall talking right to camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know that every movie has music in it, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I just whacked the mic. I'm sorry. You know, I met in Wayne's world.

[Linus Sebastian]

We knew that. So tired. He's kind of drunk. Linus was fun, but I don't think we knew that. So tired. He's kind of drunk. Luke was this fun. You're stupid today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So for context, I started my journey home at I think it was like 4pm Thursday, Bulgarian time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I have been on various.

[Linus Sebastian]

That means something to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Transportation ever since then, perhaps Trains and automobiles.

[Linus Sebastian]

Another great movie with music in it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Three planes, three trains, two Ubers and one Emma picking me up from the airport. That was the chain of events that had to get me home. And two of the planes were late.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think every single train was late. Two of them were late by like 50 minutes.

[Linus Sebastian]

The only answer is gamer plane and gamer train.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Going to need it all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Gamer car, gamer fire truck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have the gamer van.

[Linus Sebastian]

We got the fire truck, bro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the fire truck.

[Linus Sebastian]

We got the fire truck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the only answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So. So rode is already taken care of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, where are we?

[Linus Sebastian]

Apple product launch. Apple is launching a ton of new products on September 19th. They are all getting their new square sensor, center stage front cam. Okay, I swear, I don't know if I ever said it in a video or if I ever told you, but I totally thought of this idea like ages ago. Did I ever talk to you about the idea of having a square sensor so that you could just like shoot landscape like this? Or so that you could just shoot square and then you could like later and it could just have safe zones.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On when you had that idea. But I remember this vaguely.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't even care who had the idea first. I love that Apple is doing this. So their new selfie cams on the iPhone 17 lineup just allow you to go, oh yeah, I'm taking a vertical selfie. My friends who are paid by me are now nearby. They don't want to get that close right now, apparently. Yeah, there we go. And boom. It'll just expand the frame and use additional sensor in order to fit the. Okay. It's powered by a high Apple intelligence, which means it will probably suck for a bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I wonder what the AI is doing. Hopefully not much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hopefully very little.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And if it's doing very. If all it's doing is recognizing human faces, which then sure, realistically machine learning is already doing. Doing that pretty good at. For a minute or two. Effective Very good. Then I see that as just an outstanding feature. They all get the new ceramic Shield two front glass. I mean, Apple's front glass has been for a while now, original ceramic shield was already awesome. This new one, I mean, presumably could only be better, but that's not necessarily true because we have seen cases where from one iteration of corning gorilla glass to another, sometimes there are trade offs. Like you gain some drop resistance but you lose some scratch resistance and so on and so forth. They also all, all the new iPhones start with 256gigs of storage, and even the base iPhone 17 is now 120. Flipping hertz on the display.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty.

[Linus Sebastian]

That brings them up to speed with cheap Android phones from years ago. But what it also does, if we can sort of put away the snarky hat for a minute, is it takes away the obstacles that many iPhone upgraders who are sitting there going, okay, when are they going to do it? When are they going to do it? When are they going to do it? I want, I want those features that have been highlights of the pro series, but I want them on the regular iPhone because I don't want to spend US$2,000 on the top spec. IPhone 17 Pro Max, I think is two grand.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What a name.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it has two terabytes of storage in it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is absurd.

[Linus Sebastian]

The lineup just honestly looks really good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The only thing this, this like base model iPhone 17 though, like actually looks pretty killer.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean Apple's SoCs have been just plain better for a very long time at this point. 8 gigs of RAM is plenty for iOS even if we realistically do need more to run Android really smoothly with heavy task switching, 6.3-inch display, 48 megapixel. So y it has two 48 megapixel sensors on the back, personally. Ah, man. Oh, this actually is a tough one. I was about to say I don't use my telephoto much, but the times I use it, boy, do I ever like it. So I shouldn't even say the times I use it because I don't have a telephoto. I'm running a Pixel 9a right now. But Yvonne on her S23 Ultra had a really great telephoto. And if we were at a kid's concert or whatever, her phone was the only one of ours that was even remotely useful. So having a telephoto lens when you need it can be pretty nice. Up to 30 hours of video playback. $800. That's a lot of money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is A lot of money.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a lot of money. But it is the current gen phone, which gets one more year of product support compared to if you buy a last gen one for less. And it's not more than last year. It's the same starting price as last year, but we get a 120Hz display, we get more storage. So I'm not even in a world where basically everything is going up in price. Yeah, it's like the sequel to Water World. It's just inflation World starring Kevin Costner whose sense of self importance has inflated at the same level of as money over the last 30 years. To be clear. To be clear, I don't hate Kevin Costner. I just. I just think he seems to think he's a lot more relevant than he is. That's all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea. I would watch Water World 2 though.

[Linus Sebastian]

He starred in one super amazing film, Dances with Wolves that I watched as a child and didn't understand because I was a kid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then. And then he was in that movie with Ashton Kutcher that I thought was solidly okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What movie is that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't remember. It involved like rescuing people, I think, and a helicopter. Can't remember. Scrappy. DP says he wants to own Montana. That wouldn't. That wouldn't even necessarily surprise me that much. The Guardian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Guardian. Yeah, I found it. Yeah. Oh, this guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, this guy. He says about Kevin Costner, how do you. How do you. How do you avoid. I think the people genuinely want to know. How do you avoid knowing about celebrities?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because they're like, they're everywhere.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just like deeply don't care, but they're everywhere. I think that's why though is I just. I have a rather intense level of lack of care. So I'll like recognize her face a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right, so you know which one is Kevin Costner, Right? You know?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you know who Ashton Kutcher is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then in the photo? Anyway, I forgot. And then I was like, oh, yeah, this is. He did the, like that, that TV show, that 70 show or whatever he's on there, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, him and the rapist.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The rapist.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. You don't know about that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Yeah, see?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it was a whole thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't follow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, don't worry about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the most controversial new iPhone is of course, the iPhone Air. It uses the A19 Pro processor. So it uses the same chip as the 17 Pro. It has 12 gigs of RAM. Like the 17 Pro. It has a 6 and a half inch display which is kind of in between the 17 Pro and the 17 Pro Max, but it does give up some things. So it has a 48 megapixel single main camera. Rather than having multiple shooters, it has the new C1X modem, which we don't know if that's giving something up or gaining something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I had to guess, I'd say that and I could 100% be wrong about this. If I had to guess, I'd say the C1X is super efficient, but maybe compromises somewhere else where the full size phones with their full size batteries didn't need to say.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If it was just raw better, I feel like they would put it on other ones. But I also feel like this is kind of like an experimental device to a certain degree.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sim only and only boasts 27 hours of video playback rather than 30 for the iPhone, 1733 for the 17 Pro and a whopping 39 hours for the 17 Pro Max. There are some extra benefits maybe. So this was something that is always fun to watch. Apple, do you remember when they went unapologetically plastic and then they were like actually f. Plastic. Plastic's f. Cking stupid, like immediately after that and just pretended that never happened? Oh, yeah, yeah, you remember that. Okay, so do you remember how on their Pro models, Apple leaned super hard into Titanium iPhones. Titanium. You know, like they're titanium.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so that happened. And then, and then the new iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max came out. It's a song.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, what song is that?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's called Titanium. To be honest, David Guerra or Guera or whatever it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, I. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I just. Okay, but let's back up again. You see images and read words, right? Oh, right. Dyslexic. See, like I can't. I can't not know what a song is called or who it's by because it just like it shows up and I read it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, but I just, I don't think I've listened to that song. I know some songs.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's no way you've not heard this song. There's. There's actually. It's completely impossible that you have never heard this song.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you play it, we're gonna get more ad. It's worse than we did from you talking about the guy on the.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's worth it. I don't even care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, yeah. Anyway, what are we supposed to be talking about?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You, like all the, like top 40 slop stuff. I don't listen to it that much.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just called Sia slop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sia.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's extremely disrespectful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who's Sia?

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't matter. She was the, you know, song, whatever, Whatever on My Little Pony. And she's great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't. I don't remember her name, but she's on My Little Pony. Anyway, so the point. Oh, man. Chat. That you guys are. You guys are rough. Someone's like, I. I loved Sia. Loved her music. Someone's like, she's still alive, guys. Okay, you know what? It's fine. The point is that Apple leaned super heavily into titanium for their marketing for their Pro phones.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then this time around, they leaned super hard into aluminum. They were all like, dude, really? Aluminum has so much thermal performance. It's, like, so much better than titanium. Aluminum is great. You guys are gonna love it. Aluminum.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, by the way, on the iPhone, Air, it's titanium.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was just gonna say the air is titanium.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I'm just. I'm kind of sitting here going like, can Apple just. Can they just get. Can they get some consistency? Can. Can they please get some consistency in their marketing for these materials? Can you just. Can you just say we put titanium on the Pro phones before because it's really shiny and hard, glistening, even, you might say. Right. And then can you just say, you know, aluminum still good. Like, that would have been fine too. But this titanium, it has a nice finish and it's super shiny. Like, if you just told us exactly what it was. Looks awesome, and you didn't wank it off so hard in the first place, then it wouldn't be so embarrassing every time you have to backtrack and use a different material. So, yeah, the iPhone air uses titanium, presumably because it is so flipping thin. I don't know. Whoops. How it's even possible that my notes don't include the thickness. I believe it's 5.4 millimeters, though. 5.64 millimeters. That is nuts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is like, I can't wait to get it in my hands. Finally, I'll have a film that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does it feel whack that it has an enormous camera bump that's, like, thicker than the phone?

[Linus Sebastian]

Um, I mean, it's no different. Yes, yes. And. And I can see why it's a controversial device. I can see why it's really polarizing. But I do think that there are going to be people that it appeals to, and I'm. I'm Excited Just to sort of marvel at the thinness. It looks super cool. I mean, it's not.

[Dan]

Some of the phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, yes. That's.

[Dan]

Why don't they just make like half of it 2 mils thick and go like world's thinnest phone and then most of it is just that big.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why don't you just join the podcast if you're gonna talk all the time?

[Dan]

Shut up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Technically, that's not what I said. Technically, I invited him to join the podcast. Let the record show you did so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Aggressively, though it wasn't very inviting.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's just how I talked to people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You invited someone. True.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look, I really like being friends with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With you. I do believe that.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S something I value tomorrow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So where were we? Okay, I'm excited to check it out. I'm a little less excited about the 17 and the or the 17 Pro and the 17 Pro Max, but they are far from the biggest disappointment. I think the biggest disappointment sort of broadly in the tech community is where the F is a replacement for the Mini. We haven't gotten a new Mini since, What was it, 12 or 13? Dan, do you remember? Does anyone know? Let me know in the chat. I believe it was either iPhone 12 or 13, generation 13. So it's been four freaking years. People who are still rocking minis, people liked it. Andrew in the camera department loves his Mini and he's just like, yep, it's getting a little long in the tooth. Any time now, Apple, give me a new Mini. And personally, even though that one is sort of more broadly upsetting to people, I'm actually bummed that the iPhone 17 plus isn't a thing because I thought the 16 plus was a great middle ground. It gave me the bigger screen that I wanted, but it didn't give me any of the paying a couple hundred US extra dollars for things that I don't really need that the Pro had. So if there was a 17 plus, that would honestly be the one that I would be most interested in this generation, especially now that it has 120Hz refresh rate. And yeah, that's probably the only thing that I was really missing out on with the 16 plus when I did my daily driver challenge. So we're actually going to mix up the daily driver challenge this time around. The title of WAN show today is I bought my iPhone and I did, but I bought all three. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to use all the pockets in our awesome cargo pants from lttstore.com. and I'm going to carry them all and I'm going to see which one I gravitate toward.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you like.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we'll do all the unboxings on short circuit and then basically I'm going to see which one do I actually enjoy using the most interesting. Yeah. Because I literally don't know. I don't know if the air is gonna entice me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could you dupe your sim?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so the air is esim only. That's interesting. So theoretically I believe. Yes. But generally speaking I use. I use my cellular connection almost not at all. And what I've been doing over the last little while actually because just hospital like crazy. I've had more issues with graphene os. Okay. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it. Okay it just means that I think I'm done with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I might be kind of screwed anyways. I've been trying to diagnose it over the last couple days. The. Well, I mean I might be able to just repair it. I don't know. But the USB port on my phone might be like super dying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bummer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean do you need it wireless charging? Oh like I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Literally zero of those. I mean get some.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's this thing I could join the money. It can be exchanged for goods and services. Like it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd prefer to not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know, I know. Do you know how many people think that you are like destitutely poor? I'm good because of like the way I'm doing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know. I know. They don't any.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't mind plugging something in. I don't know. I. That's. I don't. This doesn't feel like either.

[Linus Sebastian]

I actually. I actually plug in everything. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like I don't. I don't know. Yeah, I do find some of the like Mag. What is the name of it on Android? Because Mag safe for iPhone. Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whatever. The magnetic one safe rip off for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pixel snap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that is kind of neat in some applications.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I could see that.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's great for the car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. But almost nowhere that I would actually have my phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So like I haven't really cared because I'm going to sleep. I can plug my phone in. I mean really not a big deal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly, I'm the same like Apple. Like so many of the sort of the Apple user reasons why I should accept nothing less than an iPhone. They don't resonate with me. And MagSafe is definitely one of them. I have Android Auto and CarPlay in my car, so I just put my phone down or I just leave it in my pocket. It's wireless in both of our family main family vehicles now, so I don't need to charge my car. Man. Battery life on the Pixel 9a and on the latest iPhones is like so good. I'm at 75% pixel. Yeah, the 9A specifically has just flipping outstanding battery life.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've heard great things about the 9A specifically from like a ton of people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it is not a perfect phone. No, but the battery life is great. It's outstanding. Best I've ever seen on an Android.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, what are your downsides? Because that's. I care about very little outside of battery life.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just kind of, it's just kind of a butt head sometimes. It's just kind of like dumb sometimes. Like I'll go to the Just A. Okay there I held down for voice and it's like oops, something went wrong and it's like why, why do you just randomly do that a lot of the time? Just like, it's just, it's just not perfect, that's all. And whenever I'm recommending I think it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Might just be pixel issues.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it might be. It might also be that I'm using SwiftKey and you know someone, no one at any point ever tried SwiftKey on a Pixel and noticed, oh hey, this doesn't work. We should probably work with our partner Microsoft and or Google to address it like whatever. So I just, it's not perfect. I do get some buggy behavior so make of that what you will. But the battery life is great. But back to graphene OS for a second. Oh no, I, I just, it's really cool and my God, is it ever snappy. Like it's so responsive. Battery life also outstanding. Like this is the one I've got my SIM in right now and it's at 99% today. And I have, I have used it today but very little but I have used it and it's like just. It just at idle. It like sips power. It. It's just, it's everything that a Pixel already was but like it's more secure and it's. And it's kind of snappier and more responsive. It's just that when you go to do something new that you haven't done before, like say for example, same thing. If I wanted to use voice dictation in order to do something, I might have to hold this button where it will say voice typing. To use voice input, you must download and install Google Voice Search. Download. It takes me to Google by Google LLC and it's installed. So I click. I don't know, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go back and then I don't know, I try again and then download. No, not that. Okay, hold on, wait, there's a thing in between. Oh, I'll try the download there. No, wait, that just brings me back here. And I could solve this. I'm sure I could solve this. I mean, I have a graphene OS team member in my discord that I can Linuxism. I probably will ask how to solve this, but it takes a special sort of person to feel like f cking solving something like that instead of just using their phone. And you know what? Sometimes I'm that kind of person. But for my phone, I don't think I am. At least not anymore. At least not right now. And for me, where my privacy is quite compromised already. Which isn't to say that this is the right answer for you. Yeah, I just, I'm not sure if I. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure if it's worth the work for you specifically feel like it right now. Because remember too, the issue is that I switch phones all the time. I can't have like it be a hassle every time I go to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something on for hardware reviewer Linus, it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Might not be like I've got. I've got. At least I still haven't done the Fold 7 because I've been putting it off. Because I've been kind of forcing myself to wade through this sort of graphene OS thing and I think, I think this is it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think this is it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think. What's it?

[Linus Sebastian]

This is it. This.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, is this your iPhone sets or what? Sorry, what are you doing? Oh, you're popping your SIM out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep, I've had this. I've had the SIM in the graphene os. I think this is. I think this is it. And to be clear, like, we'll, you know, we'll give it a fair shake. Jordan's going to be working on the video with me, so it'll be partly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, just because, like he already said, I'm just going to reiterate here, just because it might not be for Linus has nothing to do with it being for you or not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He is a very unique user of phones. It is extremely probable that his style is not yours.

[Linus Sebastian]

And there are things that I enjoyed about it a lot. I just think it's, it's, it's not right for me at this moment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you thought about trying Lineage OS as well? Because I was thinking it could be interesting to look at your like note 9 with lineage OS or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wouldn't mind it, I wouldn't mind giving it a shot. I think that for me the well maintained with tens of millions install base Androids already have a lot of problems with interoperability. And the issue with Android is it dead Nowadays the issue with Android generally is, is not the everyday stuff, it's the edge cases and it's the infinite Customizability is sort of both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. One of the things that irritated me about my GrapheneOS Pixel 9a, not to be confused with my other Pixel 9a is screenshot sharing just kind of blows and I could go find a third party tool for that. But as it is right now, what's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your flow for screenshot sharing?

[Linus Sebastian]

When I grab a screenshot, okay, so I go to share and then okay, I go to edit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just a boomer.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then I okay, so now I can crop, right? So I'm in the interface where I can like crop and do stuff where the is my share button. There's no share button in this interface. So on my Pixel that is running Pixel os, I take my screenshot, I go to share and then if I want to edit it, I can like edit and then I can share it immediately because that was what I intended to do. So there was more consideration for the user intent. And I can obviously save and then go share this, but it's an unnecessary extra step. And why. How about I just don't. The other thing is that you can share it and then it just like won't save to your gallery because I don't want this forever. Or I can save it and share it. I have the option as part of that flow on here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So yeah, the option is cool. Any of this stuff can be fixed. But I personally, as someone who takes a lot of screenshots, does a lot of quick markup and shares things with a lot of people, I really appreciate quick features for cropping, marking up. Like one thing that drives me crazy on the Pixel is that the default text color or the default color of scribbles is blue and there doesn't appear to be an obvious way to change it. Why would the default be blue markup? Like whatever the word I'm looking for, standard markup color is red. So it should probably just be red. You're probably just trying to be trendy and cool or something. I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here, but maybe, and maybe there is a way to change the default, but I would really, I would really rather that it was red as my default markup color. And so strong markup tools and then easy access to like a really good sharing menu that's really smart about who it recommends to me means a lot to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't use that menu because I find that even on proper Android it is so dumb.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's really obtuse.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like I find it a lot faster to not use that menu.

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably 60% of the time I send the screenshot to anyone, it's to Yvonne and WhatsApp, but often she will fall off the most recent, which is crazy. Which is. It seems like the kind of thing that Google could more usefully apply AI to. Who am I more likely to be sending this to? Some person that I have texted once in the last six months, or my wife, who I often share things to? Anyway, we've gotten way off the rails here. Let's talk about AirPods Pro 3.

[Luke Lafreniere]

These make me sad. And I'll explain why.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why after we go through it up to two times. Active noise canceling performance. Now, I don't know exactly what that means because you got to remember that like, decibels are not a linear measure and our perceived loudness of sounds is highly contextual depending on what else is going on around us. So what 2x means, I don't know. But what I do know is that the performance comfort and especially the. The natural soundingness of the AirPods Pro 2S is already awesome. And if these are that but more betterer, I am stoked. In other news, the earphones are even smaller, which, as someone who sleeps with my AirPods Pro 2s in every night, I actually own two pairs because I've been waking up in the middle of the night so much that I'll like put in my my ones that are charged now. Oh, did I mention that they're claiming two more hours of battery? So that'll be nice because it means that it's more likely that I will get a longer uninterrupted sleep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a weird take, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, you use AirPods Force.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay, but like the ones without the ear inserts. Sure, yeah. Making it clear to people that might.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not know without the silicone tips.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, these are shorter now than the Threes were. Or some other previous version.

[Linus Sebastian]

The stems.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do this when I don't currently want them in my ear.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is insane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This was a lot easier to do when they were longer.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is actually unhinged.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can. I can. I can stash them here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Literally. Nobody agrees with you legitimately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stay there for life.

[Linus Sebastian]

They love siding with you instead of me, but this is a step too far.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They will stay there. No problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Says Luke is not based. I think he is based. He's a turkey.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm really surprised how negative people react.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, that is turkey behavior.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

This is one of those things where if I have to explain it, you're not capable of understanding it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't get it though. Why explain it? Explain anyways. Try.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. Okay. The risk of loss.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never lost.

[Linus Sebastian]

Super high.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never lost.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't say that you will lose it. I said the risk of I can't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do with these, but with the ones that had the longer stem, I could, like, lay down and do bench presses with them stashed there and they would. They would stay no matter what.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're. You're an actual sociopath. That's the only. That's the only explanation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've never lost one that way, and I've done it so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kifrix.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Someone just tried it said, wow, it actually stays on quite well. Yeah, it does.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kifric said, that's not so bad. J To Duval says, that's actually insane. So you know what? At the very least, I can say that's a polarizing choice. Let's get back to. Let's get Back to the AirPods Pro 3.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Makes me sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Everyone's going to unsubscribe.

[Dan]

Are there any internal transfers for positions available right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, I do this. I've done this in the gym with you.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. Okay. In other news, the AirPods Pro 3s are getting a new fifth size of ear tip, a Double Xs, which is gonna be great for kids. So these are like, guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, hold on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. We're coming back to this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not how I like, wear them. That's how I stash them if I'm not currently using them.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like you're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If I need to take it out of my ear to listen to someone.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like you're trapped in the me arguing with people about American cheese loot. One person is going to say something like that, and then you're going to respond to it, and then everyone else is going to hear only where I them and they're going to run with it. And then you're going to be stuck in this loop where all you ever said was that not American cheese, regular cheese is perfectly meltable and people are going to run.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And now you're the cheese guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Completely different directions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right, right, right.

[Linus Sebastian]

And think that you hate hot dogs. So. Yeah. Let's just. Let's move on from this topic. This will be great for kids because like on a plane or whatever. When. When that's the. That's. I trying to think. We never did in restaurants. We've only occasionally done it in the car. I think that's like the iPad. Parenting time for me is on the plane. We'll just give the kids the phone. Give them the iPad. Give them the headphones. There's three of them. Right. So they sit in their own row. We're not even there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we just have a flight by ourselves.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And turned. They just watch movies anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. So yeah. That's going to be. That's going to be great because I've got. I've got little girls and they have little ears and smaller ear tips. Is going to be awesome. Not that I'm going to get my kids the new ones anyways. They're going to get my hand me downs so whatever. But they've got a new ultra low noise microphone apparently. Multi port acoustic architecture. So does that mean they have multiple drivers? I'm actually not sure. I haven't looked into them that much yet. I'm not working on my video yet because we don't get early access to Apple hardware. New H2 chip. Heart rates are actually. I don't think that's new. I think that's the same one. Heart rate sensing though. So for people who work out this could be useful I guess if you don't want to wear a watch. I guess there's some moves you wouldn't want to watch on for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. For sure I would. I like this actually. I think that's very cool. This is one of the things that like I was like I'm sad about this. I'm sad about this because I can't get the pros.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Because he doesn't like silicone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. They just squish themselves out of my ears because I have weird ear canals. But.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. That's actually really cool feature. Not that I necessarily think you're gonna go around like some people are talking about how this is better because you can do it without your phone on you. I think this is specifically. I saw comments with that I was genuinely confused. I think this is specifically a. So that you don't have to have your watch on you. And I would prefer to wear like as few accessories as possible when I'm out doing stuff. So it. Being able to be measured through your. Your earbuds is pretty neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Most Importantly, they are IP57 now, so they're like super sweatproof and water resistant and are the same price. So Apple seems to be kind of just sucking it up on their higher costs in order to capture some market share right now, which feels like an uncharacteristically aggressive Apple. Like they're, they're almost coming across a little still in the most Apple way possible, but they're coming across a little scrappy here, which I kind of like. I think it's pretty cool. Do we, do we expect them to put a removable battery in them anytime soon?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope. Go yourself. They're still Apple, but the AirPods Pro 3s, those were in immediate order for me when I saw them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some people are saying that the new ear tips are foam and silicone and that they have some new thing. Maybe, I don't know, maybe I'll give it a shot, but probably not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can give it a shot. I don't think it's going to work for you if there's any kind of silicone slippage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, I agree.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's some new watches. Who cares? Let's move on to a new topic. I mean, does anyone love the Apple Watch? Apple Watch feels more like just a complete. It's like a mini. The minivan of Apple products. It's like, I got the Apple Watch because I have everything else. I need notifications when my hands are dirty or like I, I got it from my grandpa because he might slip and fall. It just, it just feels like, okay, people in chat, they love their Apple Watch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The fitness stuff is that. Yeah, someone said fitness outdoors people. The fitness stuff is actually wild. The Apple Watch is like the king of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I gave up completely when my Apple Watch series something or other congratulated me for my excellent bike ride while I was driving down the highway. I was just like, well, this is just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Obviously you're biking really fast.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, biking really fast. And my heart rate is a very relaxed resting heart rate. Like, can we, like, I just, I would rather. Personally, I would rather have no data than have bad data that I can't trust.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just don't care. I can't care about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can't really trust any of them. But it's heart rate stuff. The last time I looked into it was a very long time ago. Was better than, like, everybody's and by a long shot, which is interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, yeah, maybe it's worth giving another shot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really wish we were able to make that. That video way back in the day. Do you remember that. That project I was trying to do in the ubc?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we've talked about it online show before where we. They had like a lab where we could hook up all the real. All the real probes and then, like, wear all the fitness trackers and see which ones were the most accurate. But then for whatever reason, they weren't able to do it, so it didn't happen. But I'd love to revisit the concept. I think others have done it since then, though, probably so I don't think it would be a novel thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. What are we supposed to be doing now? You want to. You want to pick a topic? Look, it says topic two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. We can do this Corsair one, or we can jump down into, oh, Nintendo one. Might take a bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do we have the Anthropic settlement in here? Oh, we didn't. No, we don't have that this week, guys. Sorry. But that's interesting. Go look it up on your own.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I guess the AI news is fast, heavy, and always very similar, so I don't think it's good to.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if this one's that similar.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what this one is.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, this one's kind of a big deal. Okay, yeah, Anthropic agreed. Fine. We'll just. We'll just go through it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do it live.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion to settle claims that it downloaded pirated books to train its AI systems. And this has.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who are they?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wait, that was eight days ago. And then three days ago from Reuters. A federal judge in San Francisco has declined for now, to approve the settlement that was announced Friday. So stuff's going down. And my understanding is that because they settled and it never went to trial, this wouldn't be a precedent. And so the matter is still unresolved of, like, copying copyrighted works to train your AIs. And if you should, you know, probably have your company just shut down because it was built on other people's copyrighted works, or maybe what you're doing is so transformative and terribly important that maybe we just should not care about copyright in this case. Those are kind of the two. The two camps on either end. And it is unresolved. Which will be the law of the land for the time being. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, because I can, I can understand the argument of, like, national security stuff. I don't know if, like, it's important for national security that it reads like werewolf smut. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on one sec. Floatplane chat. You all need to calm down or I'm gonna start issuing timeouts to all of y'.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All. Oh, what's going on?

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't worry about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Alright.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Should we maybe do the Corsair loss? Class action loss? Yeah, because I, I am pretty peeved about this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a Canadian one for bread, by the way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. But that, that one I'm not upset about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man, this is. Dude, I am like, oh, I hate this. Okay, so here, Corsair Gaming had to pay five and a half million dollars to settle a claim. Shut up. To settle a claim of effectively false advertising on their DDR4 and DDR5 memory products. Plaintiffs. There's a bit of editorialization here. Blood sucking lawyer leeches claimed that consumers reasonably believe that Corsair memory will run at the advertised speeds. But in reality, the memory does not and cannot run at these advertised speeds out of the box. Trying to get Corsair memory to run at the advertised speed requires altering your computer's firmware to attempt to make the memory run at higher than standard speeds. This is known as overclocking. And overclocking often does not work. There is substantial risk that attempts to overclock will fail. All of which is technically true. But in this case, I don't actually think it's the best kind of true. Also from the complaint, plaintiff and class members were injured as a direct and proximate result of Corsair's conduct because A, they would not have purchased Corsair high speed memory if they had known that Corsair would breach its warranty. And B, they overpaid for high speed memory products because they are sold at a price premium due to Corsair's false warranty. And in this case, warranty doesn't mean that they fix it if it's broken. They mean they warrant that it will operate the way that it says on the box. The complaint states numerous times that consumers expect those speeds out of the box. But this appears to me, even though this is a settlement and therefore not like an established precedent, this seems to me to open up an entire can of worms and make it pretty difficult to advertise a lot of things that require some technical know how in order to get the sort of the advertised result. Like, am I, am I missing something here? Like, do you guys think I'm off base here? Because basically every memory manufacturer is now at risk of either not being able to advertise what the sort of the overclocked capability because the RAM itself is capable of the speeds. That much is. That much is certain. And I, you know, from my point of view, they label XMP or DOCP or Expo profiles or whatever else pretty clearly. I also think that it's really weird to go after, like, Corsair for this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very specifically, everybody.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you're buying Corsair, though, you know, I would, I would think at the very least you read an article once. I mean, maybe, maybe this is one of those things where I often, I'm often lecturing the audience about. Don't assume sort of the knowledge of even people who, who participate in this, in this hobby.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like, good Lord, Avon Fox said, in industrial applications, sorry, in industrial automation, things are sold with actual and theoretical capability ratings. That's kind of neat. Or showing like a default and a potential.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean, but I don't, I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kind of agree with you that I don't think this should have been targeted at Corsair specifically.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like, okay, so if asus has a 165 hertz. Okay, no, let's go, let's go bleeding edge. If asus has a 480 hertz monitor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

How. How much do they have to disclaim? How much do they have to disclaim? That you're gonna need a GPU and a cable that will actually be able to run it. That, like, you're putting together a computer piecemeal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Red Bull doesn't actually give you wings thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think there's a bit of an expectation that if you are buying a constituent component of something that you are doing so with some expectation that you will acquire the knowledge to install and operate it. I, I'm sorry, man, I don't like this. I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At this level, with the explanation that I have heard so far, I don't like it either. I wouldn't mind if there was maybe some minor changes to packaging. Like, it's a bit of a meme. Like going to your friend's house and freaking out that his monitor is still 60Hz is like a thing. So if there was like a little bit better explanation of this type of stuff. Finding people's RAM is at default speeds is very common as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, if there was a little bit more explicit Communication that could be cool. But I don't necessarily know that it was worth this. And I don't think it makes any sense to target just Corsair.

[Linus Sebastian]

Other manufacturers apparently do use terminology like up to. To describe the frequencies that their memory kits will run at. But I mean, this seems to be. Corsair has also denied any wrongdoing here. And this seems to be a yet another case where the defendant settles knowing that the settlement will be less than the cost of litigating it or the potential negative publicity if they are found guilty. I think this is lame still. And I think that while, I mean, you know, frankly, I don't have a ton of sympathy for publicly traded corporations that probably have plenty of money or whatever in general, Corsair's kind of been bros. You know, I think they've overall stood behind their products and been pretty chill. Their products can be expensive sometimes. But I don't think that Corsair has been particularly evil. So if there was someone that was going to kind of get picked on, I would much rather it be been. It'd be someone that's been, you know, kind of a, you know, a bastard at some point or another. And I just don't think that Corsair has, has, has, has earned, you know, a five and a half million dollar hit to their pocketbook for frankly, something that people could have looked up on Wikipedia before they went and installed a component product and something. I don't like it, Dan. What's next?

[Dan]

I'm not sure because, like, I got an extra sponsors thing that I'm supposed to throw somewhere and I don't know where to put it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, they didn't wait. This wasn't planned out?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought this was planned out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, it's wan show.

[Dan]

I haven't figured it out yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a good point. It's the redheaded stepchild of Linus Media Group Media Properties. Like, it's already.

[Dan]

I've been doing other things. I wasn't even sure if you're gonna make it tonight.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. How close were you, dude? Like, did you just walk on the set before I got here?

[Dan]

Five, ten minutes?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also, there was.

[Linus Sebastian]

The street could have been broken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I should maybe tell this story right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

You could have been on a plane. No, you're gonna tell it after we do like, one of the sponsors, I guess. Okay. The show's brought to you by Proton Mail.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Less sponsors and planes.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Dan]

Yay.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can relax. Well, don't relax. We got a whole show to do for a while. Oh, okay. I don't. Well, I don't think we should do the CW announcements right after we did a sponsor spot.

[Dan]

Well, that's.

[Linus Sebastian]

We really need to get some.

[Dan]

Luke has to talk about his thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke has to talk about his thing. Oh, well, then why'd you put the sign there? You should put a sign that says luke, talk about his thing.

[Dan]

I don't have any more card paper.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, we don't have the budget for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

You guys make me sound like such a cheap.

[Dan]

Honestly, though, I'm glad he said it. I mean. No, you're not. We love you. You're so reasonable.

[Linus Sebastian]

When was the last time I turned down a purchase request? Name it.

[Dan]

Maybe I was lying to cover my laziness.

[Linus Sebastian]

I literally buy fire trucks for the memes.

[Dan]

Oh, hold on. Never mind. I take it all back. I have a giant stack right here. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

We lost the budget to have a producer cam right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, do I talk about the trip?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Did you fall?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. No, actually, never. And I climbed a mountain, so. Hell.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. No, I was in Sofia, Bulgaria.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Oh, that's the kind of mountain you were climbing. Oh, no, he wasn't. He's loyal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Or not. You know what? Whatever happens. Whatever happens. With full consent from all parties. I don't judge.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would still be interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. But, yeah, loyal and faithful, I guess, are not quite the same thing.

[Dan]

Correct.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would it still be faithful if it was like. Yes. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I think faithful has a connotation of. Religious, Of. No, no, no, no, no. I think. I think. Well, faithful has a connotation of 2. 1, from my. From my point of view, I was.

[Dan]

Thinking faithful to wishes and understandings.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Not in. Loyal is just like, now there's like. There's like, 15 other people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Completely regardless. And. No, none of that happened. Anyways, look, I. I wouldn't judge.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wouldn't judge. That's all I'm saying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Local time.

[Linus Sebastian]

So Luke was in Sofia.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. Yes. Local time for them. I left at. I think it was 5:00pm 5:00pm okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is in Belgium. Hungary. Where was it again?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bulgaria.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bulgaria, right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it. I had a. I had a pretty tight connection, but it would be fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Theoretically. As long as nothing got delayed. I would be landing back in Munich.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then taking a train overnight up to Berlin and then flying back to Vancouver through a connection.

[Linus Sebastian]

Vancouver. I hardly know her.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was not Wiz Air. It was Lufthansa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, because, of course, it needed to be a fairly tight connection to the train. The flight got delayed because. Of course, it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course it did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was only delayed by 25 minutes. I still could make it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was going to be close.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those can be the worst ones sometimes, though, because then they don't proactively reschedule you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no. The plane and the. And the train were booked separately. They didn't care at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because, of course I didn't even ask because there's no way they're going to care. So my whole thing like as we're landing is like, okay, it's close, we can definitely make it. I know. Ex. The train station is extremely easy to navigate. So once I get to the train station from the airport, no problem, not an issue. I can have like two minutes and I can run all the way to the train and get on the train. But I needed, I had check luggage. So I need the check luggage to come off like pretty quick.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Why is it always last when you're in a hurry?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Guess how long. Guess what it took just, just from when we landed to the, to my bag, which by the way was in the first three bags to come off. Guess how long it took for my bag to come out from when the plane landed.

[Linus Sebastian]

You realize the only solution is gamer jet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

55 minutes.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's the longest I've literally ever had to wait when there wasn't some type of like accident. There was, there was genuinely like hundreds of people waiting in the baggage area for two carousels. I have no idea what was happening. I don't know if they were like short staffed that day or something, but it took forever. It was crazy. So I definitely missed my train. I had like pre booked the heck out of my ticket because you save a ton of money that way and I had a.

[Linus Sebastian]

She likes saving money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's great. I had it all perfectly.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's actually I think what gets them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Off a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. So I had a direct, direct train too. So I knew I could get a decent sleep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On the train.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So not only did I have to get a indirect train, so I had to get a transfer, but also I had to book now last minute. So I had to pay expensive train prices so I couldn't like sleep properly. So anyways, so far we are one Uber, one flight in. End up figuring out that I can't take my nice one train now I have to take two trains to Berlin. So I get to the train station, I'm like, okay, this train is leaving in, in like, you know, in 45 minutes. It's going to take me half an hour to get to the train station. I can make this new train now. It'll be fine. I get there okay, the train's delayed by like 15 minutes. That's fine though. Okay, the train's delayed by like half an hour. That's fine. Now get on the train. Oh, while the train is rolling for some reason it gains another half an hour of delay, so it gets to the next train station an hour late. I'm all worried because I'm like, I'm going to miss the next train. I had an hour to get. I had an hour at the next train station to transfer and now I have like four minutes or something and I'm like, oh my God, if it's in a weird spot, I'm going to miss my next train. Nope, not a problem. Because the next train got delayed by an hour. What is happening? What is up with German German transportation? I heard this as like a meme before I went there. Everything's just delayed all the time as far as I can tell. While I was standing in the train station getting off my train that was delayed for an hour, waiting for another train that was delayed for an hour, I heard other trains announcing that they were delayed like crazy. Oddly enough, the trains were extremely comfortable. Very nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just never there on time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, so that train gets delayed for an hour. So then I'm waiting for it anyways, despite thinking that I was going to miss it, get into Berlin, take another train to get me from the, like, main train station in Berlin to the airport.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then that flight takes me to Frankfurt, and then that flight takes me to Vancouver. So. And then I get picked up from the airport by Emma and brought here. So it was, it was three cars, three trains, three planes, and like 30 plus hours. And I got to Wanzhou on time by 10 minutes. By 10 minutes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. Did I ever tell you about how I almost got stuck in LA when we went down there to collab with Kyle?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Canada, like, didn't have enough air traffic controllers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

So a bunch of flights into YVR were delayed, so my flight was cancelled. And then I was. I like immediately went to the Air Canada desk where they told me there's nothing we can do. You can have a flight tomorrow. Which I said was not good enough because my daughters were having seven teeth out the next morning between the two of them and they were super stressed. I promised I'd be there. So they said, okay, well, I don't know, whatever. You can call the phone lines because they can do more than we can. So I call the phone line, they tell me, yeah, I've got a flight for you. I go, oh my God, Thank God. Okay, Vance, so the executive assistant here, don't bother booking me that WestJet flight that you found. Air Canada has a flight for me. Then she goes, oh, yeah, can you depart from this airport, I'm like, bro, I just told you, I'm at LAX that is literally three hours from here in LA traffic right now. And it's 45 minutes until the flight. How could you possibly think that I could make it? Okay, Vance, book it. Vance goes, oh, yeah, by the way, it went up like $400 because everyone is rebooking. It's like going up by the minute. I'm like, oh my God, book it. And so he books it. I spend twelve hundred dollars on a plane ticket from LA to Vancouver. And then the Air Canada rep goes, actually, I've got one for you. And instead of being a connecting one through like Edmonton or something, it's a direct flight, but it's like later in the day, then that flight gets delayed. So I'm sitting here at the airport. The one that Glenn or one of our shooters got booked for was canceled again in the, in the like mid afternoon. And then my evening one left an hour late. But ultimately I like, did get here. I surprised Yvonne by being an intruder in our house and coming into the bedroom. I told her I wasn't going to make it home that night. So you just showed up and I just showed up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My flights to Germany for this trip. Yeah. I was talking to Sammy about it because I got my two tickets and my, my second one. So once we landed in, Man, I don't even remember where our first landing was, but once we landed there, I didn't have a seat on the second plane.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. Oh, right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They overbooked it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I almost didn't get onto the flight. So. Because she, she sent me my booking confirmation by email, so I thought I had a ticket. So when I got to the counter, I didn't tell the best part of the story. When I got to the counter, they like, I didn't have a seat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I never checked in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I was already there at the airport and I just, I thought that my booking confirmation was a ticket. I didn't understand the difference. I'd never done that before. And so I like showed them my booking confirmation had a barcode on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know that I would have thought differently.

[Linus Sebastian]

They let me through security with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even though I didn't have a ticket. So there was one more middle seat and they, and they were able to put me in it. The first lady at the, at the counter get to get on the plane. I'd been at the airport for like 9 and a half hours or 10 hours by this point, the first one was like, you don't have a ticket. And I was like, what do you mean I don't have a ticket? I'm standing here at the gate, aren't I? How did I get here?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But then I realized, no, they never actually scanned my ticket. They scanned my passport and they looked at what I had, but they never actually scanned my ticket. So I was never checked in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then the second one was like, move. And like, checked for me and was like, okay, no, I got one. Here's your ticket. And I was like, thank you. This actually means the world pretty great. I actually kind of hate traveling. Yeah, like, that was so stressful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like traveling. I actually really do. I don't like. I really, really hated rebooking those train tickets. That pissed me off, needing to, like, pay last minute prices.

[Linus Sebastian]

WestJet wouldn't refund it. Yeah, they have a. They have a zero exceptions within 24 hours, I think it is no refunds. Even if you just booked it five minutes ago. They're like, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was like, bro, if you unbook it now, you could literally just sell it to someone else who also desperately needs to get home.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They'll do that anyways. They'll just overbook their plane. Yeah, the. The thing that saved me getting to Berlin $1200 was that I checked in so early and for some reason, they just didn't assign me a seat. But I had checked in really early so that when it came down to, like, the seat lottery thing, I just automatically won because I had checked in first by, like, a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did I ever tell you how I almost missed my play when I went to Edinburgh? No, man, I. When I went to see Joseph.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We almost missed our plane. We flew into Heathrow, and then our plan was to have a connecting flight to Edinburgh, but our connecting flight was cancelled, and the new flight they assigned us was gonna be there too late to see the play. Oh, my God. I was only there to see Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat with Donny Osmond as the Pharaoh. And if I wasn't gonna see that play, then why was I even there? So we. So we are standing there in the airport, like, can you rebook us? And like, no, no, we got nothing. Like, okay, okay, so what are our other options? We. We. We looked into chartering a private plane because, like, I literally was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You already flew across the world.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was only in Europe. It's the. And I didn't even actually know this at the time. But it was the last performance, so it was like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought you did know that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't know that before we sat down and they said this is the last performance. So I wouldn't have even. I could have even like not known. Thinking I could go a day later. Anyway, we actually. So turns out charging is really expensive, in case you were wondering. It's, yeah, very expensive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I remember from that one, Scrapyard wars.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we found. So we found a. We found a train.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we were like, okay, we can do the train. Which is only like a couple hundred dollars compared to thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for charter for the plane. Which what was, what was incredible though was, dude, I gotta say, like the airplane charter business, damn, do they ever have like customer service figured out? I emailed. I was like, damn it, they only have an email. They don't have a phone line. I emailed, they emailed me back in like three minutes. And they were like, here's our phone number, let's talk. And they were like, yeah, we can have you. We can have you taken off within like the next 90 minutes or something like that. I was like, you just like found one that's nearby and yeah, we got you. I was like, wow, that's crazy. Anyway, so yeah, the plane. So the train ended up running like two hours and five minutes late, which it turns out means you get your fare for free. So my story worked out. So maybe that's why I ultimately didn't tell the story.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That makes sense. Somebody in Full plane Chat pointed out, in Germany, if Your train is 20 minutes late, your ticket becomes a flex ticket. So you can take any train of your choosing. That is cool. The problem for me was the nice pre booked train that I had was the one that wasn't late. The plane was late, so I didn't make that train.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then I had to book other trains and those ones were late, but I had to take them anyways. It didn't matter if I took them later. If I didn't take those specific trains, I would not make it to Berlin on time to take my flight out. A couple people also said, why didn't you just drive? I did look into that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dimitri actually suggested that I just drive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I went and looked at renting a car. Yeah. And the rental car place had a 1.1 or 1.2 star rating. And like all of the reviews were about how they tried to scam them for damage. And like, oh, I've been fighting a double charge. For a car rental for a year with somebody's comment. And I was just like, I'm gonna take the train.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Dimitri's reviews of Bulgaria in general.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, this was Germany.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, this was Germany.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I know he had trouble getting review samples sent to him there and stuff. Oh, stuff would just get, like, disappeared. You know, stuff would happen. I'm not going to say specifically because I don't remember the details, but he was just like, yeah, sometimes it could be a real challenge to get review samples sent there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I actually had. I didn't take a lot of public transport in Bulgaria, but, like, the Bulgarian airport was completely fine, in my experience. No direct planes from Bulgaria. Well, my flights. I travel in a really wack way where I do a lot of my travel planning, like, once I'm already there. So my flights to Canada and back were out of Berlin, and then the easiest way for me to get to Bulgaria at the time was through Munich, not Berlin. So when I'm saying I'm flying back to Germany and then taking a train up to Berlin, I'm flying back to Munich. Yeah. So it was actually, like, pretty far from Berlin. So there. There. I mean, there probably was maybe not direct planes, but easier ones. But my. My. My flight was already through Berlin, and if I don't make that one, that was the one that the company had booked for me. So if I don't make that one, I just have to pay for my own entire ticket myself because it would have been entirely my fault. So, like, I'd rather not do that. So I'm going to try to make that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wish I journaled more of my crazy travel stories because they're always like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I took a bunch of photos of, like, I have some really funny ones. Where's my phone?

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, the time that I was literally by, like, 10 seconds on time for my plane back from Japan. Like, like, they looked at the supervisor because it was literally like the minute of the. Of the cutoff, and he's like, gives a nod, but, like, it was bad. And it was because I was, like, 42 cents short of the fare for my. For my train into the airport, and the lady, like, wouldn't let me go. And I was like, oh, my God, I don't care. I don't have any cash. I just said, I need to make my plane. But it's Japan. There ain't a lot of flexibility on that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I like this photo because it's, like, it's supposed to show, by the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Way, it Was my fault entirely. It was only because I accidentally left all of my luggage on my previous train, and I had to go to the lost and found. I had to catch a later train. And I, like, picked the wrong one. I, like, picked the one that left earlier rather than the express one. Anyway, I've done that before. Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it's like, hits. It's supposed to show up at, like, 13 past midnight. It's gonna show up at 1:05. It is 1:08.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How does that work?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's good math. That's German math.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I noticed a couple times that it's like, the delayed time will be a time that we've already passed. Also, we were rolling slow because we're, like, near the train station. The guy said over the intercom, we'll get there at 1:11, which is later than either of those times, if you noticed. And then 111 comes and goes, and we're still rolling. And it, like, blew my mind that we're within, like, slow rolling distance of a train station, and they still can't get the time right. Like, we ended up getting there, like, I think two or three minutes later than the guy on the intercom said, despite being within, like, jogging distance of the station.

[Linus Sebastian]

So here's my question.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't understand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's my question. Okay. These guys are world renowned for watches. Is this, like, a tariff issue? Is there some kind of border control?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what it is because, like, I'm just.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just asking questions. The trains in Germany. I'm just asking questions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The trains in Germany were the most comfortable trains I've been on in my life. Especially the. The last one that I took. It had, like, leather seats, like, super nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I was in, like, the cheap, cheapest, super saver fare area. And they had leather, like, very nice leather seats.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we're super late. I don't get it. German trains are banned by the Swiss. Swiss are not part of the eu. Oh, all right, that's interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? Oh, do that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool. We have some weekend deals for you anyway. Still need that backpack upgrade for back to school. Well, lucky you, because we're offering a great deal on the commuter backpack. If you add both a commuter backpack and a tech sack to your cart right [e-mail], you will get the tech sack for free. That's right, my friends. Free tech sack with commuter backpack.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Add both to Cart for discount to apply just like that. That simple. Now be prepared for the flood of merch messages, Dan. Prepare yourself. That's not all. Hey, you need something to fill that tech sack up with, right? Well, fortunately, when you add a precision end cap set and a precision screwdriver or precision screwdriver with bitcase, you will get the precision end cap set for free. And if you're not familiar, the end cap set is. Wait, where are tools? Okay, can we make a quick note under gear? Tools should probably be one of our main. Oh, screwdriver. Okay. Yeah, we should fix that. Okay, screwdriver's over here. So the end cap set is precision end cap set right here. So it's a convex concave and then alternate color of the flat top and it just pops on to the precision screwdriver if you prefer a different shape. So that is free with your order of either just the driver or the driver and the bit set. Last but not least, you can still save on magnetic cable management this week. Mix and match packs of individual components and you can get 10% off if you buy 2, 15% off if you buy 3, 20% off if you buy 4 and 25% off if you buy 5 or more. That includes all arches power bar keys, power brick holders and cable tie holders. If you are not familiar with our magnetic cable management, it of course looks a little something like this. Magnetic arches power bar holders. Those had the little like the little key shape thing. These ones are super cool. These are the ones that came to me in a dream and inspired the whole lineup. So they go into the little keyhole thing and then they turn your power bar magnetic. It's freaking awesome. And here's Tynan talking about it. Cool. Shop [e-mail] also we have a very important question to ask you guys. So just take a break from your shopping spree that you're on right now. Because I need to know out of these options, what is your favorite totally non infringing transparent. Not. Not transparent screwdriver related color. Which of these colors is your favorite color?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Concord Purple. Dude, I need to not everyone saying that.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I just. Well, they shouldn't say the purple. Purple. They should go to this poll and then they should vote on it. It's on YouTube. So Dan, if you want to drop them some links there. People seem confused by the instructions. This is not voting right here. What you're looking at right now is not voting this this place. This is voting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People don't even know what that website.

[Dan]

Spamming too Much and can't see it.

[Linus Sebastian]

They don't know what that website is because it doesn't work properly in Firefox.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

So what use would they have for it? You're just sending it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my goodness.

[Dan]

My links.

[Linus Sebastian]

They do nothing. It really is amazing that they can even find their credit cards to pay for floatplane, isn't it? I. I love you guys, but their.

[Dan]

Mom takes care of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can't. You can't follow instructions sometimes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, stop.

[Dan]

Go there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Instruction unclear. Sausage stuck in the door hole. Wow.

[Dan]

An unrelated cylindrical object.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool. Let's. Let's maybe do another topic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let me do a bit of an update. So I got linked this by multiple people in the full plane chat. Crappy PCB and Dark Eye 2 both linked this, which is hilarious. Someone else in full plane chat said that apparently something. It. It has to do with something about the. The like, German car lobby messing with public transport or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who knows? I don't know. I don't know, but I just thought. This is funny. I also wanted to talk about. Actually, wait, no, I think I'm supposed to talk about that later. I'll save. I'll save that topic for. For another time. Okay, I. I think I got. I think there's a pizza conspiracy going on, but we can talk about it later. A different pizza conspiracy?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I was gonna say, because what.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Different one is Dr. Disrespecting. No, no, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, not that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, a much more serious one. I'm kidding. I'm carrying a lot less serious.

[Dan]

Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're stressing me out, Luke.

[Dan]

You're stressing me out.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're making me stressed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I think. Yeah, I think I'm supposed to, like, talk about it later or something for some reason. Yes, I am. Okay, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyways, I think I am supposed to talk about how to send a merch message. If you guys want to interact with the show, the best way to do it is to send a merch message. These go to producer Dan, who will put them down there or respond to them or curate them for me and Luke to respond to. All you need to do to send a merch message is add something, anything to your cart. Go ahead and fill out a merge message. Probably do it a little bit better than this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can pick a card would be fine, though. You can do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can do that. It won't get curated for sure, but whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'll show up on screen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it will. So that's something. And then you go ahead and check Out. And once you have paid for your order, your merch message will go to producer Dan, who will then do something along the lines of what he's about to do, which is maybe to read it for us.

[Dan]

That's right. That's what I do. Very good. Hey, Dll question for Linus sometimes. Is there going to be a new winter jacket this year?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, hold on. I might have it in my car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

So really do another one for Luke once.

[Dan]

Oh, Luke, Luke, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can do a topic if you need.

[Dan]

Ah, okay. This might work for you as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Dan]

We can ask Linus about the second half when he returns. How do you feel about so many people having parasocial relationships with you and your subordinates? I know you more than you will ever know me. Also, have you ever owned a pet rat? Or a mischief?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or a mischief?

[Linus Sebastian]

Mischief.

[Dan]

Copy paste animal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is that? Is that just like any rodent?

[Dan]

I don't know, a mouse? Hamster.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hamster.

[Dan]

Is that like a genus?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I've never had any of those. I've had dogs and birds. I have not had a. Oh, and fish. I haven't had a super wide range of animals. I guess I've had a rat.

[Dan]

A group of rats is called a mischief.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Dan]

Haha.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Learned not a king.

[Dan]

Thank you, Wikipedia. Well, that's. That's. Jesus Christ.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you believe those?

[Dan]

Yeah, I did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. It doesn't bleep on my end. You can see the button man. What was the question? Even again, have you ever owned a mischief? No. But wasn't there one before that?

[Dan]

You are drunk, Linus. How do you feel about so many people having parasocial relations?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that was you?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And your subordinates. I know you more than you will ever know me. Also, have you ever owned a pet rat? Or as we now know, a group of pet rats is called a mischief.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it's this. I think it's weird that people think this is a new problem. That's my hot take.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, the parasocial relationships and pet rats.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People only really talk about it now, but like people were hyper obsessed with like Princess Diana, the Beatles. Oh yeah, like, like way hyper obsessed. I would argue more than people are now.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the difference now is that the people that we have these parasocial relationships with seem so much more accessible and like real people than the old celebrities were.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, they can't. They actually can't afford the amount of separation that the old celebrities had.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well yeah, like realistically, I'm not that. I'm not that hard to Talk to. Like, it's not that hard to, like, get my email address. I won't respond to you because, you know, I just get too many emails, especially every time I acknowledge how easy it is to find my email address. So there's no point. And if you do email me, especially at those times, I will certainly filter so that I block probably not only you, but the entire domain that you're emailing from if you work at a business or something like that. Because I just, like, I can't have people bothering me and wasting my time. But in terms of, like, how. How accessible sort of Internet celebrities are, they're. They're super accessible. And not only that, but they're. They're accessible, like, emotionally because they have something in common with you other than that they make music you like to listen to, or they sit on a throne that, you know, has oppressed your people for hundreds of years. You know, that sort of thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've had someone come up to me and, like, apologize for having a parasocial relationship and then like, jokingly mentioning some things that happened on WAN as a reference for them having a parasocial relationship. And I'm like, man, like, I. We make the content so that you watch it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, watching WAN show is not being weird and parasocial.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. There's a difference between, like, knowing some stuff that happens on WAN show or like, you know, sometimes they reference, like, oh, yeah, but I know things that happened in your life. Like, yeah. Cause I talk about them on WAN show. Like, that's okay. This is fine. Like, there's a difference between, like, watching the show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Between that and walking up to me at the airport and sitting down next to me and just, like, uninvited, when I'm clearly in the middle of something, like, talking to me without going away eventually, to be clear, as if you're friends, walk up and grab a selfie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Totally fine. Yeah, totally fine. Happy to do that. And. But, like, that's the. That's the key. Don't assume that we're friends.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that I'm like, I'm with my family or whatever else. And even if I'm with my family, you know what? Grab a selfie. So my new. My new policy. I have a new policy for that. Like, I have a new system for that that actually makes it, like, pretty, not disruptive. So I'll be like. I'll be like, walking in a mall and I'm like, with my family. Or I was gonna say friends. No, I'm with my family. I don't have friends. But you're a friend. But we don't walk around in the mall together.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I'm walking in the mall, I'm with my family, and someone's like, can I get a selfie? I'll be like, sure. Keep up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I've done that. I've done that for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude. It's great. It's actually fantastic because they get their selfie. I am not separated from my family. And hot take, everyone's happy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The selfies often end up looking pretty cool too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know why. Just like on the roll is like pretty neat. I just want to say I had fun chatting with you briefly at defcon. I always feel. Yeah, I mean, that was probably totally fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's a different context too though. Like if you walk up and you want to chat with me a little bit at like a whale land or ltx or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was there purely on vacation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. That's different then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it was still totally fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it's still. You're at a. You're at a con for sure. I think you're kind of walking it. You're.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I didn't mind at all, I'm sure, to be honest.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But, yeah, no, and so, so context is everything. But anyway, sort of back to the question. The, the parasocial relationships. I think the, the. The fact that the relationship forms over something we have in common makes it in some ways stronger and feel more. But also not like, like strong, like bizarre, like John Hinckley or whatever. Like, you know, shooting Reagan over, you know, what's her name in Taxi Driver. But like, but like, almost like less strong, like more natural because it just kind of happens over time from, from extended exposure and like having common interests. Like, I, I don't. I don't know, man. I. I don't think I'll ever be used to it is. Is the bottom line.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oddly enough. I think I kind of am. It doesn't really bother me anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I didn't say bother.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It never really bothered me.

[Linus Sebastian]

It definitely bothered me for a lot. Well, even just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It can be socially really useful.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sometimes getting recognized in public like, like made me deeply uncomfortable at the beginning. Now I'm used to that. But I wouldn't say but. I think I'm not used to the one to many relationship. And I don't think I can ever get used to it. I don't think we're wired for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. I've two funny interactions I had at PAX this year, one, somebody took a selfie with me and then like 10 minutes later walked by and was like, oh, by the way, can you come back, like, right here in like two and a half hours to take a photo with my friend? And I was like, no. And I think that was one of the only times I've ever, like, let the annoyance, like, really go into my response. Sounds like walking with my brother and like, one of my high school friends and he, like, asked me to come back. I was just like, like, what do you ask? Like, not a chance. Like, sorry, if you're watching. But like, no, dude, no. No way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pull something really similar with me once. Like. Like, can I. If I come back, like, can I go get someone and come back and will you still be here? And I was like, no. Yeah, I think I was at LTX and like, I. I was like, at a particular spot and I was like, no, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be all over the place. Like, there's literally thousands of people here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Necessarily as bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it was, it was, it was. They didn't know where their friend was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, well, yeah, okay, that doesn't help.

[Linus Sebastian]

They didn't know how long I was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Gonna be standing there. Are you gonna be around for like, five, ten more minutes? That's maybe a different.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will be back at some indeterminate amount of time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stay here, bro.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The other one though, is where I'm saying that, like, I've actually find. They're actually pretty often, like, helpful is very funny interaction. There was a. There was a YouTuber that I have enjoyed watching a fair amount at PAX who had a little booth and they were filming these five minute podcast things, which I didn't really know what any that was about, but it said, ask me about five minute podcasts. So I just walked up to the booth thing and was like, hey, love your stuff. Shook his hand and was like, that's it. I just wanted to say I like your stuff. And then I was like, before I leave, what's this five minute podcast thing? He's like, okay, let's film one. And I was like, all right, sure. So we just. I, like, just stood in front of the camera and filmed this, like, thing with him. And he's like, all right, cool, Bye. And then as I'm leaving, two different people, like, said hi and wanted selfies. And I was like, that was the best timing ever. Cause now he's like, who the hell is this guy? That's great. And I hope it comes out at some point. So I'd like to see it.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I've had times when I'm at a meeting with a potential sponsor at a trade show, and someone will come up to my table and ask to take a selfie, and they're like, huge.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Huge. It's amazing how timing can be so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good, especially in the early days. It was amazing how one person walking up during the meeting meant so much more than 300,000 subscribers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. It's. It's how palpable it is. Yeah, it was. It was fantastic. When dating. It was wild. When dating. Every time I went out, I was like, please. And then it would happen, and it was so good.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'D could at least pretend not to enjoy it that much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was great.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, fair enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Great. You got to play it off as if you're not like, oh, thank God. It is what it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, so fame and chicken. Yeah, dude, that should be the name of your memoir.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you ever have anyone think it was fake? Like you paid someone to do that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

None that said anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, maybe, but I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so I'm ready to. I'm ready to acknowledge the outerwear that I am wearing right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Because it's starting to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Activate.

[Linus Sebastian]

So what's cool about this particular jacket is that it uses a thermochromic material. It's not like the warmest layer ever. It's kind of like a lightly puffy jacket that's meant to be kind of layered on, but it is an. It is an outer layer. So it's kind of like. Like a fall, like a late fall, early spring, or like a layered up winter, depending on your climate. But what's cool about it is that if for whatever reason, you find yourself indoors or somewhere warmer or there is a spot. Oh, wait, yeah, let's go this way. Or there's a spot on the jacket where it kind of folds in on itself. It's color changing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it ends up with this kind of kind of like, flame, like. Like kind of fiery sort of look to it that as soon as I saw the material, I was like, okay. I don't know. I think it's really cool. And. And obviously it invites, you know, I was going to say playing with it because your skin temperature is enough to activate. My hands are really cold. Oh, you have warm hands.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, hit me right there. Right there, buddy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How long does it take? Is that good?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it should be fine. Yeah. There it is. He's always such a warm boy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was going to say. Yeah. Decent tactical choice to, to like, if you, if you have a girlfriend and you want them to be, give excuses to hug you all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You'd get the arm wrapper on the back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Oh, yeah, 100%.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's, it's one of those things that some people really like and some people will not. But I saw the material and I was like, okay, I need us to do something with this. So we did a jacket.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, very cool. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How expensive is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, well, cool. Answered that question.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right. What are we supposed to be doing? Ah, yes. The real self driving was the friends we made along the way. Sources Electrek Co Tesla has changed the definition of full self driving. You see, FSD is not fully unsupervised autonomous driving. Go to sleep in the driver's seat, wake up at your destination like we said it would be when we charged as much as $15,000 for it. Now it has a new definition. FSD now means an advanced driving system, regardless of the marketing name used, that is capable of performing transportation tasks that provide autonomous or similar functionality under specified driving conditions. The author opines that the current version of fsd, which requires constant supervision by the driver, could easily fit that description. The automaker has updated their language on their website, now selling only full self driving supervised and not the previous full self driving capability fsd. So we actually have an image here from. This is from Electrek. Full self driving supervised $8,000.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Beginning in 2016, the company had claimed. Had claimed past tense now because they have clearly changed their messaging, claimed that all its vehicles in production would be capable of unsupervised self driving. Since 2018, CEO Elon Musk has claimed that this year is the year only to reach the end of each year with the promise unfulfilled. Tesla previously confirmed that vehicles produced between 2016 and 2023 do not have the proper hardware to deliver the promised unsupervised self driving. Their CEO has discussed upgrading the computers in these vehicles, but there doesn't appear to be even a concept of a plan for implementing this upgrade.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I remember having an infuriating conversation with a finance bro at a at a party once. I know this story that basically boiled down to I cover tech for a living and Tesla has a serious problem with their tech. And the counter argument was lots of super smart people have invested so there's no way they won't deliver on this. Yeah, and I tried to, I said, well, do you want to see the tweet where Elon admitted that like the cars they've been selling for all these years, can't do it, didn't want to see it. And I was told that I just didn't understand finance and that the, like the, the details of the tech didn't matter. And I was like, right, but people invest in this company because of the tech. Right? Like that's what theoretically people. As far as I can tell, Tesla is gone. Meme stock market.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, almost all the stock market does.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wouldn't say almost all. I'd say like there's a lot of high profile examples these days, but not almost all, but a lot of the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

High profile examples is where a lot of the money in the stock market is sitting currently.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Ginger Nutted in Float Plane Chat says here's Ginger Nutted. Yeah, I like, I thought that was worth reading out a lot out loud. Oh no, that's not actually the tweet that I was referring to. There was one where he far more explicitly admitted that fsd, whatever the hardware level was, that, that was up until a couple of years ago, three I think was just never going to be capable of it. And it was already clear like way before that that it wouldn't be capable because they were already using both of what were supposed to be the redundant computers. In order to achieve full level four, level five, you have to have redundancy. But they didn't because they were using the whole thing already. So people had known for ages that it was just never going to be able to do it. It just took them a really long time to admit it. I just, I don't know, man. People. I often get accused of being an Elon hater, but what it really boils down to is I don't respect people who lie to me constantly over and over and over again and just expect me to keep believing them because I feel that that shows disrespect to me and therefore I cannot respect that. If you make a good faith effort to follow through on the things that you tell me or if you have the self awareness to apologize and make good, then that makes a big difference. But if you just lie over and over and over and over and over and over again, then I just, I don't, I don't respect that. I can't respect that. So there you go. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of that simple. I remember having a conversation with a family member about a particular politician and I basically just went well you know, here's an example of a bald faced lie. You know, why did they say that? It's demonstrably false. And he went, I don't know. And I went well yeah, I can tell you why. It's because he doesn't respect you. He doesn't think you are smart enough or detail oriented enough or conscientious enough to care. And, and that's not respectful. And that was, that was kind of a turning point which was very, which was a major, major relief. And to be clear, I intentionally kept that vague. I think that could apply to pretty much any politician. There's just degrees of, of brazen untruthfulness.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Extremely off topic but I want to bring it up before I forget. I saw Jaden in chat and this reminded me he sent me a message after show where he said regarding wan show discussion, it is possible to assign different icons to notifications. Android only. And WhatsApp already shows profile image and notifications. You, you mentioned having. I think it was different. Yeah, icons for channels. So we could do it. We could do it. Android only apparently.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, don't bother them. I think it'd be better to just have feature parody and wait for Apple to catch up. I mean they eventually do, sure. Or maybe they just won't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I, I hadn't noticed it before he mentioned. I think he. Oh wow, I already forgot. I just put it down. I am pretty tired from all the traveling. Yeah, WhatsApp already shows profile image so, so WhatsApp already does it but I don't use WhatsApp very much so I didn't see it there. And not a lot of other apps that I use seem to use this feature and I suspect it's because of just having identical apps on both platforms but I don't know. So yeah, apparently that is a thing. I just, I think, I don't remember exactly how I worded it but I think I said that I didn't think it was so apparently it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is the consequence going to be for this full self driving false advertising? Is are the regulators going to be empowered and are they going to have the stones to follow through? Is, is it going to come down to individual owners to class action? This like how is this going to play out? Because I think you could make the argument that a substantial portion, like if. If Corsair had to pay five and a half million dollars because some people didn't have XMP on by default in their gaming computer. Right. Like, we're talking a hundred, three hundred purchase. Right. Of some DDR4 memory.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

How much will Tesla owe when people figure out that the decade of cars they sold are not and will never be capable of fully autonomous driving as they were advertised to be?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Meanwhile, and this is going to be tough to see amongst all the ads, but there is a headline in the middle there. Did you hear about this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So I think this is a really. Honestly, I actually. Okay, I'm gonna have kind of a controversial take on this one. I think that this is. See, I've. I have in the past attributed to 4D chess what actually turned out to be phenomenal stupidity.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I hate making the same mistake more than once. However, this one smells like a bit of 4D chess to me because the conditions for that pay package are that the company will have to reach a valuation that simply isn't going to happen. Optimus is already dead in the water and everybody knows it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It says specifically that they have to ship like an incredible amount of Optimus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, they ship like 300,000 optimuses a month or something. Like, what were the numbers? Give me the optimist numbers here. So Optimus is. There is their robot that, like, is already just a piece of dog compared to like unitree models for a few grand and that they think they're gonna sell for 200 to $300,000 each. Like, to who? What are you even talking about?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even think that article said I'm looking for another one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Optimus is dead in the water. With what logic? With the logic of the head of the program who just left and was like, peace. Optimus is dead in the water because they are so far behind they can't figure out hands, they can't figure out the AI side, they can't figure out mobility. So many of the demos that you've seen have just been remote telepresence, effectively, like a human just operating it remotely. Guys, Optimus is smoke and mirrors. So, yeah, here we go, Here we go. One million robot deliveries in one million robo taxis and Opera. Yeah, like, this stuff's not. This stuff's not happening. So, yeah, so basically this one smells to me like it's just supposed to grab headlines with a giant big number and it's supposed to help pump the stock because, oh, well, if they're going to. If this pay package exists, then there's this path to this. But, I mean, obviously none of that is happening. There's no way that you could. There's no way you could be on enough substances to think that you're going to sell that many of a product that literally you would have to have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of substances.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'd have to have 1000% tariff on it to make Optimus at the price that they have sort of floated. You'd have to have a 1000% tariff on it to make it competitive with something that Unitree is shipping, like, right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's. I do know that a counter argument is that this is what was said about his first pay package.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. But I do think that was when the company was poised for immense growth.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And had a lot of positivity surrounding it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Show me the immense growth that we're poised for. I mean, in the U.S. sales are tanking in Europe. In the U.S. the incentives are going away.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was a robot at IFA at a booth where it was a humanoid robot, except it had two, like, airplane cables hanging it from the ceiling because it couldn't stand on its own. And it was, like, leaning over hanging off these cables, and it was sorting laundry. But, like, one out of three times that it tried to grab a piece of clothing, it would just, like, fail. And all it was doing was, like, sorting colors and whites for Washington. And it was so incredibly slow. And then it got like, three quarters of the way through, and I. It just could not grab them anymore because I guess it was too far down and it couldn't, like, bend because it was held by these cables. So they had to repour the clothes back into the middle one so that it could keep going. It was so brutal to watch. It was so rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who was this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember the brand. It's in the. The floatplane walker through with Sammy and.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. Breakdown says I'd pay good money for a real laundry folding machine. You better believe it. Me too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh. It wasn't even folding. It was just sorting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was just picking it up out of one basket, putting into another.

[Linus Sebastian]

So actually useless, then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was really bad. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like this is something completely different. This is a cooking robot at IFA25 that appears to be doing basically nothing useful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, it wasn't a cooking one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's in the foot. We could, like, kind of show that bit, maybe bring it up.

[Linus Sebastian]

So circuit king98 says LLMs, not LLM, specifically but I think you mean AI will unlock the humanoid robot market. It's so early. People said the same thing about full self driving eight years ago. Okay, so there's a couple things, things we got to kind of talk about here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The full self driving car.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's still not done. So that's, that's one critical thing. The other issue is that I'm not saying the humanoid robot market isn't coming. I'm saying it's not coming at 200 to $300,000 a unit. That's the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's ABS. Humanoid robots are going to be enormous.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It's going to be a huge.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I guarantee you it's going to be freaking huge.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huge. The issue is that specifically Optimus is so far behind and way, way too expensive. That's the problem. I'm talking specifically about Optimus. Nothing that they've shown me gives me any optimism about how that program is going to proceed. And I could be wrong. It's happened before. Optimus could end up being 10 times better than what's coming out of other robotics company. I mean, I haven't even talked about Boston Dynamics at this point. Like Optimus is so far behind right now and they could magically catch up. And that, that is a possibility. And if I'm wrong, I will. I will say I was wrong. Optimus is the prime robot. I just, I don't see a path to it right now. That's all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so this is from. This is from Luke and Sammy tour the IFA show floor. I'm not going to bother get Dan to get the audio going or anything, but you can see here when he zooms in. So this is a little bit blurry because we're like zoomed in over the crowd. But you can see a hook here and then a wire that goes up and behind the play button there's another hook. There we go. You can see on both of his shoulders, there's hooks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then wires going up. He's being held up by the airplane cables to the ceiling so it can't stand on its own. There's three baskets here on the bottom. You can see the one in the middle has actually like a bunch of clothes in it. And then one on each side. The, the basket on. From our perspective, the right is for like plain.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would say you're probably closer to center.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My God. From our perspective, the right, the, the. That basket is for plain whites. And then the basket on the left is for colored fabrics. And then the middle is the unsold.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hamnetics says that's Robot at Bernie's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look how slow it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. What is the possible use of this? I mean, I get it. The point is to show progress and then look, fail.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And try again.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, this is in real time. This is not slow mo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is in real time. It actually footage skipped there for a second. I think Sammy cut some of it out because it was so boring. Oh, yeah. And then this one, it. It has like a hard time getting it out of the basket. So it takes this whole time and. Okay. It finally got it. Then it goes again. It's so rough. It takes forever. Oh, man. The company is Neura Robotics. Yeah. I don't know. And you know, maybe they have something else that's good. I don't know. Whatever. It's just. That was. That was like, tough to watch. I would not have brought that to a show to show it off, personally.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it depends where you started. Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe six months ago it couldn't pick up the clothes at all. Maybe this is progress.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. And you know, I'm not super informed on robotics right now. Maybe that is good for some reason. Like maybe it was doing something somehow that was good for some reason and you wanted investors or something. Because IFA is a weird show. There's a really wide range.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've never been, actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So there's your first time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is my first time. There was genuinely just like general public wanted to go see stuff for funsies. People there. There was people that were like, definitely buying for like European stores that needed stock for things. So, you know, maybe there was investors there as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Avon Fox in floatplane chat says it's actually pretty astounding that it can adapt to something like fabric as a tech demo. It's amazing. As a product, it's obviously not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And see. Okay, so fair enough. And maybe they're looking for investors, they're looking to hire people or whatever. I don't know what the objective was. I'm used to going to CES where they're trying to sell or get in the media.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this might have actually been a different objective and I'm just not used to it. So you know what? I'm not trying to go after the company. I just. Oof. That's all as a product right now, which it isn't in its defense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Forget ifa. More like oofa.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Ufa. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you seen some of the. Some of the footage from the, like, robot. The First Robot Olympics that they held in China.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Some of it's really impressive. Most of it's really funny. This is. I don't think this is from the Robot Olympics, but this is from like a robot martial arts fight. This one falls under funny. Oh, this is from the Independent. There's so much more. You guys are gonna have to go. You guys are gonna have to go check this out. Yeah, they're also just like Shadow Boxing, like 15, 20ft away from each other just before they actually get close enough to, I don't know, maybe land a blow. I don't know if they ever actually do land any hits on each other. Anyway, it's. It's. It's cute. Oh, float plane announcement. What's the float plane announcement? It's down. Oh, okay.

[Dan]

I moved it so you wouldn't yell at me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, then I couldn't find it. Dan, did you ever think of that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. We did it. We did a seven hour director's commentary for Scrapyard Wars 10. It's with games master David as well as basically everyone except me and Luke, so that I'm in like 10 minutes of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They had me call in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you in it? Oh, cool. They didn't. They didn't ask me.

[Dan]

You didn't blatantly cheat.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, we didn't cheat. We didn't know. No, apparently we did. We thought we got permission for something and David thinks we did not.

[Dan]

I'm glad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We. I swear we did.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Got permission for what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't worry about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, if you want to know, you.

[Dan]

Gotta subscribe to the plane and watch seven hours of video.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Spoilers, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you. Well, hold on a second.

[Dan]

I thought Linus knew. I didn't mean to open this worm can.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm reading the comments.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if it's even in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Usually the comments will tell me what was in the video. Control F, C, H. The comments are about you cheating. Next time, Dan should be on Linus's team and do the same amount of cheating. So Dan knows the answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no, we both know the answer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

But I thought you were aware before.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Dan.

[Dan]

I mean, we talked to David about this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Talk to David about what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We super talk to David about it. But there was. There must have been a misunderstanding.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you talk to David about something, then you have to have the camera rolling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So there must have been a miscommunication.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, you must have had. You must have had your $10.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was mic packs rolling.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well then where's the. Where's the audio of you talking to David?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's in the commentary thing maybe.

[Dan]

No, I think it was found in the edit and they just kind of brought it up later. I can't quite remember.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so what did you guys do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got to watch the full.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not gonna watch the seven hour video to find out the answer to one question.

[Dan]

I think it actually was just at the start, to be perfectly honest. What. What happened? We were like, hey, somebody at work is getting rid of stuff. Can we get the stuff?

[Linus Sebastian]

Excuse me. What part of you cannot use your.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Influence but you can ask for anything? No, you can ask David for anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have super broken the rules like crazy before by asking David.

[Linus Sebastian]

What are you talking about?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't. I could.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Dan]

Rule breaking?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I could go dig up some examples. I mean, just in this episode, there was a rule that you had to go. You had to stay in pairs and you guys sent out one.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it explicitly said in the rules that you can ask for an exception to that. Explicitly. What do you mean? You don't know?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't know it. Is it said an exception for that one?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, it did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I'm not saying it didn't. I just didn't know that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, dude, that's been a rule of scrapyard wars for years. You cannot use your influence. And I would say asking a friend or co worker or family member falls pretty clearly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't asking. They were going to give it away for free anyways. So it was like, could we know the.

[Dan]

That's why we clarified it whereabouts or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something and then acquire it that way.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a very good thing that. You know what, whatever. It's been out for like over a week now. It's a very good thing that you guys lost.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, I thought it was crazy. I thought it was crazy. I thought he's gonna say no no matter what. And then when he said yes, I thought it was because we must have been getting stomped and he was trying to like showrunner it and make it closer.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, same. I think we've seen him. He was on so many, like, painkillers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think there was just a miscommunication. But we did ask, so. Yeah, whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because my thing was like, there's no way that's gonna fly. But you can ask if you want.

[Dan]

I think we'll be way more careful next year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If There is a next year, Luke. Band Dan banned.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is wild. That is wild. Because, I mean, dude. Dude. I mean, I got. I got friends, you know, I could be like, hey, Shroud. No, no, no. Do you have any old gaming PCs you're planning to give away?

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was no asking. There was no asking involved. I thought that might have been what made it okay. I still. He. I think he just didn't understand what we were saying. Probably because he was on painkillers, so whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so what did you get?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was the speakers or something.

[Dan]

Speakers.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's how you got a speaker set up for free?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean, I got a speaker set up in the last graphic. Works for free. That was arguably better. So I don't know. I also actually thought that's why he okayed it, was because it's, like, actually not that hard to get audio stuff for super cheap.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had to pay for audio.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Guys. I got, like, stuff. Wicked audio setup with an amp and everything, if you remember that. That was all. Was it free or was it like.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it was almost free, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like $3 or something?

[Linus Sebastian]

Like insulting him, reminiscing about last time. But we're not talking about last time, Luke. We're talking about this time. Oh, man, that is. And look, look, I understand that there were a fair number of folks upset about the fact that my PC was not powered on.

[Dan]

Oh, no, we talked about that as well. We talked about that as well. We were talking about racing rules.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it should have been. But I also don't think I should have been able to do a game service thing. But both of those were totally within the rules.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's definitely some stuff we're gonna have to revise about the rules. But the thing about Scrapyard wars is it has always been the letter of the law.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And what you can get away with to win.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I thought that. I thought the computer in the corner was clever more than anything. It didn't bother me.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. That was amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wanted to make it furniture, so I wanted a tabletop for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would have been great. See, like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would have made it into the cut.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's awesome. If, If. If people did see it, it's a. I. I think they released it on LMG clips maybe, but I know it was a flipping.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Vape document in the floatplane chat says you didn't mention the sub.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what about this was.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, that's right. That probably would have been a bit Too far.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't even understand what you guys needed so much money for, because quite.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Frankly, we blew it on a projector that barely works.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. Quite quite frankly, Like, I. I had to dude the. The distribution. Like, you guys spent $400 on a couch. I'm sitting here going like, bro, or 350.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember. It was so.

[Dan]

I wanted the crappy black one.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was a lot more than ours. I know that.

[Dan]

Do you think there's a lot of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Money lost more points for your couch?

[Linus Sebastian]

Me?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think so. You guys should have clearly won.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pull out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To be very clear, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to say that it was very uncomfortable. It was horrifically uncomfortable.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was. Did you sit on the crack at any point? Oh, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Even not on the crack, it had the wor. Dude, it was so bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

The crack was truly, truly. I think, level of hell.

[Dan]

The couch was like 375 bucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Effectively 400.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought it was three. Did we get a discount from there?

[Linus Sebastian]

Ours was like. Ours was like 100 or 150 or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought we got it for less than three.

[Dan]

Projector was 800 bucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. That was rough.

[Dan]

Crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know enough about projectors. I thought going the projector play was, like, super good. Obviously, in hindsight, no.

[Dan]

But I think we got locked into it. We talked about this a lot during. During the. The director's commentary.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I feel like we've gotten off topic. I feel like we've gotten off topic. Tell me about the subwoofer.

[Dan]

Oh, that was mine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. That is cheating.

[Dan]

I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is the most cheatingest thing of any Scrapyard wars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So how did that one fly?

[Dan]

I have no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is a giant load.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you ask about that one?

[Dan]

Probably. That's a little too blatant for even me because my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My general byline was like, if you want to do something whack, just make sure you clear with David. But then I also didn't know that David was on tons of painkillers.

[Dan]

No, neither.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wasn't aware of that until this stream.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God, you guys.

[Dan]

I'm glad it helped so much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's really lucky you guys didn't win because I think that actually, I think people would have legitimately been mad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we would have been DQ'd at this point.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've never. Have we ever disqualified anyone?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. And there's been really egregious cheating in the past.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think. As bad as just bringing parts from home.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably not. I don't even remember what they were, but probably not.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, wait.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

We almost disqualify Kyle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What did he do?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't remember.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, didn't they just fully actually cheat?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Paul and Kyle in that thing. I thought they did. I thought they super did.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so. Did they? They wouldn't cheat. Does anyone remember? I haven't watched any of the old Scrapyard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Paul and Kyle were outright DQ'd. Yeah. Okay. I thought something happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, apparently. Apparently we have disqualified someone before. What did they do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember. But I remember, like, something happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

They did. They super did. They screwed themselves with vsync. What are you guys even talking about? Okay, I don't. I don't remember. We need a cheating edition. I. They used their own drive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, because their drive died or something. Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it was actually good for like, the video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because then they're able to present because I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because didn't. Did they win? Damn. I can't remember anymore. We have to go back and actually, like, check our win loss records because I think. I think we're pretty close to even now. You might still be ahead of me. He's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's got to be wicked closer. Tied.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's, like, pissed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I am. Because I. I see it as like, old gen and new gen. Have I told. Have I explained this to you before?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I haven't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because there is a huge gap.

[Linus Sebastian]

A gap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a massive time gap.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I see it as old generation Scabbard wars and new generations.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And in New Generation Scrapyard Wars, I'm 02.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? You only count. So you don't count the one counting it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just. Just looking at this split.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. So since the Scrapyard wars pause.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're seeing it as like, the reboot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

So in the reboot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Since the reboot, I'm 02.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And both of them honestly weren't that close, which is, like, bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it's not. This last season was by far, in my opinion, my worst showing ever.

[Dan]

Maybe next time, spend more time sleeping.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not launching a platform the same week.

[Linus Sebastian]

I tried.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, I know. No, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Everything humanly possible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They actually, for context, for the viewership, they actually moved Scrap Red Wars a whole week for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then he wouldn't have the overlap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then the launch Just got delayed and so. So like I literally sleep. I don't remember a very low amount of hours over the entire thing.

[Dan]

I think I was like 16 hours over five days.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it was less than that.

[Dan]

I might, I know like the first.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Day of shooting, like you see us throwing the money up and stuff. I had been awake for over 30 hours while we were filming that.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that was the day he decided to buy a projector.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like, and then we just kind of ran. I have no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, it was. Honestly, if you guys had executed on it perfectly, I think you could have won. I was a clever concept.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't understate how like we got from not having them out because. Because actually everyone's time went into setting the mount up. And I know the people who actually did the mount stuff can be like, what? That's not fair. It is. Because then that meant we couldn't like drive places.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And. But you know what's, you know what the funny part is? It was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was so rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't really understand. And I mean, I don't mean any disrespect. I know that in, in a time of like, you know, frantically trying to problem solve, sometimes you can come up with not the best solutions. But like, why did you guys try to 3D print amount? Why didn't you just go get a piece of wood and just like screw the piece of wood into the thing and then just like put it on a frickin like hinge or something? Like why did you try to. Why did you try to 3D print amount, put it on a hinge? Like literally just, literally just put a frickin get a piece of wood and literally put a big screw into it and frickin bend it. You know, like if you're gonna be jank, just like, just jank it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we probably should have done that. I don't know. But like how much time put the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Projector on a shelf. I didn't even think of that one.

[Dan]

Which goes shelf. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why don't you just put it on a shelf?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why don't we do shelves?

[Dan]

They wouldn't go and buy one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I got us free shelving, so I don't think that makes sense. How much time do you think got spent between you and Justin on, on the, on the mount and mounting it?

[Dan]

I. I wasn't involved in the mount. Mounting it took like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you read way Too long the 3D print at some point, right?

[Dan]

No, I had to modify it kind of last day because. Yeah, yeah. No. No comment. Really, Chris?

[Linus Sebastian]

App says, but yeah, people 3D print things for all kinds of stuff. That would be easier if you just didn't 3D print it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, no, that's a thing for sure. But it, like, it, it literally took. It took, like, a person and a half out of the competition for us.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. Y. Like, I, I, I, I genuinely cannot overstate how devastating that was.

[Dan]

Would have been a lot better to just go to a Home Depot, buy some screws and hinges and things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Alexander the Terrible asks, can you clarify what the rules were for tools so people can stop saying Linus cheated for using a freaking paint roller. The rules are that we're allowed to use. Use any tools that we could realistically have access to in the office.

[Dan]

And one 1 3D printer. And one 3D printer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was also. You were allowed to use your own tools.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

Tool use was not the problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

At all.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it was. But materials counted. Except you had unlimited filament for one printer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For one printer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. On only one printer and only one.

[Dan]

Because that's the limiting factor, not the platform. Plastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Dan]

I didn't realize that we were allowed to mount stuff to the walls with, like, they would give us backing wood. Like, if you wanted to mount a tv.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had no idea that was a thing until they mentioned it in the stream. So, you know, that was a thing. Yeah. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So none of the containers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I, I would have mounted a TV to the wall, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The reason why I asked if you knew it was a thing and was pretty sure you didn't was because obviously you would have done that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I wouldn't have. I didn't have money. I couldn't afford a mount, dude. I had. I had a $38 left. Like, we. Dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we were down to amounts, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

We scrapped harder than you guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We didn't scrap at all, actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like, you guys paid. Like, you guys. You guys paid a fortune for your rug. You guys paid a fortune for your couch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we paid. We paid a lot less than you for a rug, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you?

[Dan]

I'm $20.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rug. Rug.

[Dan]

Rug.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rug.

[Dan]

Rug.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, maybe I'm wrong about the rug, but the couch.

[Dan]

The couch is really couch.375.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We thought we had tons of money when we got the rug.

[Dan]

$25.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. You guys slayed on the rug.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then I found the rug.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just, like, in general, dude. Like, I was. I was watching your side, and I was just like, oh, my God. Like, how do they have all this money and it's because they didn't need a compute device. Well, yeah, like we, we spent almost $400 on a PlayStation 112 and then we bought, we bought movies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So there's been a lot of talk about the Shadow thing as well. And I feel pretty bad for Shadow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, they got kind of boned by just our Internet being sucked that day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I wish it was explained a little bit better. It was explained decently well. But I wish there was like almost a disclaimer on screen of how much testing I did because this was very explicitly communicated through David and I think this was actually fine. He let me do testing of it when it was acting weird. Outside of ours. I wasn't allowed to actually work on like my own system.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I could run Shadow at my house and be like, is it working right? And I could like go to friends houses and be like, run Shadow. Is it working? And it was working perfectly fine the entire week everywhere I tested, which was tons of places. I don't think this is in the EULA necessarily, but I was sharing the heck out of my account with like, like everyone I knew, getting them to run it from everywhere they could at all times and day. And there was literally never a problem except for at our office. And there something with how our firewall is set up. I don't remember Sean. Sean was trying to work on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean that's. I think that's why our adventure time stream looked like crap too probably. It was terrible. It looked like 240p.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's something weird and I know that's like literally my department. Lol. But there's something weird with, with how that set up and that totally nuke Shadow. That is, that is not. I know there was some comments being like, oh, this is just what streaming experiences are like.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there are some issues there, but. No, but not at this level, like at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

We have like, like an enterprise grade connection here. It's like, I forget what the exact whole thing is, but basically it's, it's the closest thing to if we had a dedicated fiber line without actually having our own fiber run through the street. There is no reason why we should have anything but the cleanest possible connection to Vanex, which should have the cleanest possible connection.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had somebody on a copper 100100 line.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That ran it great on like a 8 year old computer. Like this was not, it was not Shadow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So like just bad luck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The projector. All right, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did not executive Decision that call, just to be very clear.

[Dan]

But we were, we were also saying, like, you know, sports. If only I had made that pass. Yeah, if only I had trained a bit harder. If only I didn't come to work drunk. If only I, you know, it's like, you can go, you can go look back forever in high school.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Lights.

[Dan]

Yeah, like, like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The projector. I, I, I wish we didn't make that call. Shadow.

[Linus Sebastian]

You guys could have gotten away with the projector if you had also painted the room again.

[Dan]

I originally wanted to do silver screen, but there's so much. And I don't think we should necessarily talk about it on stream, but there is a lot of reasons and stuff that we don't really want to go into right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't explain how torpedoed the team got when we didn't get them out. When I'm saying a person and a half, at least a person and a half were just removed from the competition when we didn't get that mount.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's rough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And yeah, we should have just mounted it in an easier way. Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

I also don't even, I mean, I watched the interaction where they picked it up. I don't even blame them for taking the projector because you guys had decided on the projector and you did say get the mount. But, like, also, like, you're trying to, you're trying to. Like, you're under, you're under time constraint. Like, I understand why they made the call to just take it anyway and go, yeah, we can figure out a mount because it's, I can't be that hard.

[Dan]

I didn't know there was a mount properly, you know, otherwise it would have been like, no, we need the mount communicated.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I hear you.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was communicated. But even then I wouldn't assume, like, okay, look, if somebody sent me to go get a camera and they told me, yeah, it doesn't have, like, the plate that goes under it, I'd be like, well, yeah, I mean, I'm still buying the camera. I'll figure out, I'll figure out a plate. Like, that can't be that hard. I wouldn't think that getting a projector mount is that hard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The shadow problems, I did work on the moat side of hours. I also spent, spent an egregious amount of time working on them inside of ours. Like, between.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The mount and Shadow, we basically had, like, Sammy, who couldn't drive around by herself.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was about, I was about to say, Sammy was your team's, like, standout.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, she's the only reason we got, like, any points at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The fact that was given nothing. I don't. I don't know how well communicated was in the video she had. I. Was it, like, 14 minutes to make the room cool or something?

[Linus Sebastian]

Your room went from. From casting couch to inviting lobby in, like, a shockingly small amount of time and with very little budget. I remember her being very impressed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I need at least 30 minutes to be clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wasn't surprised because I saw what Sammy did with the budget that I gave her on the previous season, which was even less.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I was very impressed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, lordy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. She. She did great. We. We gave her nothing, and she. She did good with it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Dunphy says 58 seconds in episode one can only use items purchased using the budget. Linus sold a sound bar. Yes. But I sold a sound bar that I only have because I bought it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm completely fine with that.

[Dan]

I think that's pretty standard.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's canon at this point, that. If you can wheel and deal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't know if that's in the rules or not, but, like, that is completely fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's. I think it's. I think it's allowed by legal precedent.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Regardless of whether it's in the spot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Objectively good for the game.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. If you can. If you can flip, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Totally, Totally cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude. That TV deal saved me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The TV deal was if I got a. Watching you. Watching you wheel for. That was so dope. That was actually awesome, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was watching. It was painful for myself because I was just staring at myself doing dumb things. I'm way too freaking tired. And then I could. I could see myself in a conversation with someone, knowing. Knowing that behind the back of my laptop is actually Sauce plus instead of Scrapidor's listings. I'm like, man, sorry. Entire team. I kind of screwed everyone over this season. But watching some of your team stuff was cool, and that wheel and Dealing for the TV was awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

McBain, run the numbers. I never went negative money last season. That didn't happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought you went credit card.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You went over budget credit card.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I didn't go over budget. I had to use money off my credit card because I left the cash somewhere. I was a negative budget. I was never out of money. I just had to move it around creatively because it wasn't in the same physical place that I was. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I. If anything, I have been on my best behavior the last couple of seasons.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will say much, much better than in the past.

[Dan]

Now it's our turn.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, look, look, look, look, look. I have always.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look at us. We are the cheaters now.

[Dan]

Where did we learn it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Mom, I've always followed rules. It's just that we used to have much more ill defined rules, so they were easier to more egregiously skirt. Whereas now we actually, for better or for worse, we have pretty well defined rule sets. So I have to. I have to be more creative in my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think what we learned interpretation is the. The rules around the PC being required should probably be more explicit, and those were intentionally vague.

[Dan]

And Linus, we were talking about racing stuff on the. On the live stream. Like F1 is basically. That rulebook's like 3,000 pages long, and people still are trying to find ways to do what Linus did with a computer, which is like part of sport.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's part of sport, Exactly.

[Dan]

And it was left vague for Linus to do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you can do that one time. And that's. That's good. I don't want to be encouraged to try a shadow solution again. Um, but it was. It was neat to try one time. I'm just sad that I really. I. We. We weren't going to win. You guys won. I'm not trying to argue that.

[Linus Sebastian]

But if Shadow won't trophy super cool this year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If shadow worked, I think it would have been a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't even know. We could have been closer.

[Dan]

Didn't even know we're gonna get trophies.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I didn't know. Trophies. They were a surprise to me too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because, like, the projector was not configured and the speakers lost their configuration. So someone.

[Dan]

You messed us up, too. So when I was testing out my laptop, I was getting 5.1, 6.1. The little PC didn't. Wasn't able to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had a spare little PC. Maybe you should have this.

[Dan]

Tried with that In. In the. In the 10 minutes that I had to test everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's busy trying to mount the projector.

[Linus Sebastian]

This isn't your.

[Dan]

This is your confrontation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Get out of here, Linus.

[Dan]

Everybody.

[Linus Sebastian]

We never fought before you were born.

[Dan]

It's your fault.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ultimately, I was. I was captain of the ship. I should have done a better job. It lands on me, but.

[Dan]

Oh, you know, you don't have to fall on that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I think I do.

[Dan]

I mean, I'm the one that did not execute on literally anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just gonna say my team's teamwork was immaculate. You guys dialed no, we were dialed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had definitely my roughest season and you guys just killed it the whole time.

[Linus Sebastian]

My entire team. My entire team. Mvp. Like, Pancraz was awesome. Sebastian was awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now we have some really fantastic team moments too. The fact that we got a room. Oh, dude. Is crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, the push through at the end was wild. Dan just like melting plastic knives into the roof. Crazy.

[Dan]

I was not particularly happy that I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Had to do that, but it worked.

[Dan]

I mean, country girls make do, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

My God, I don't know if everyone's gonna get that. Reverend.

[Linus Sebastian]

You got to get there.

[Dan]

You got to get there somewhere. Like, we're not going to lose or we're not going to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're not going to DNF show.

[Dan]

We're not going to. Yeah, we're going to show up for. For the game, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because after, after, like. Yeah, there was a. There was a moment where I was thrown a crazy curveball where I was informed that my little mini PCA idea would not work. And then I lost hours to re realizing, oh, no, my idea was actually fine. The mini PC would work. And then I. So I lost a lot of time with that. And then I lost. I lost at least half a day to that, which probably wouldn't have lost that much if I was awake. And then I lost enormous amount of time. Like almost all the rest of my time trying to figure out shadow or driving. That was like all the rest of it. So I was not very useful.

[Linus Sebastian]

Angry Panda PC in float plane chat says, hey, Leah, Luke, at least you had a very entertaining team.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

You did have that. You guys were very entertaining to watch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If I tried to detach myself and watch as if I wasn't in the show. I thought our team was. Was Dan specifically, was very, very entertaining.

[Linus Sebastian]

Roman asks who threw harder, Luke throwing the game or Dan throwing the projector.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, but he caught it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan dropping that projector. That was like one of the craziest Scrapyard wars moments ever, if I remember correctly. Holding half of your team's entire budget.

[Dan]

Not only was I holding half of the budget, I also fell over the rest of the audio system, including the AV receiver and literally everything else. So in one tiny little move, I could have destroyed all of our equipment. I thought it was going to fall through the wall because it's like paper thin. But no, it seemed okay. I crushed it against the wall of my hand and that broke its fall. So good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I heard you told the story a little bit about it, and then I.

[Dan]

Was not going to tell you Anything about it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think you told me that you bled, but that I'd have to watch it in the edit. And then watching the edit the whole time, I was just like, oh my God, that was amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think people didn't. Because we were talking in Canadian dollars. I think people, people didn't fully understand how good my TV deal was. By the way, this is what I paid, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

PlayStation deal was insane.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was a great deal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The PlayStation deal and the TV deal were crazy for.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that was another thing that people didn't fully appreciate was my price on the PlayStation. Why is Linus so excited about this price? Because I paid Canadian freaking dollars.

[Dan]

Put 400 bucks in there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because what's communicated to the audience at the beginning of the episode, I think is that we have $1,400 or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then the whole time we're actually talking, we're talking about $2,000,000.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's a little PlayStation again.

[Dan]

Was it 400 bucks?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, cat TUSD. So I paid US$288 for a PlayStation 5.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When I saw that in the episode, I was like, that's just two dual senses.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hear 460 and I got even.

[Luke Lafreniere]

460.

[Linus Sebastian]

460. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, let's fix it. I paid 460, 460.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With the three games though, and two controllers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I paid, I paid $332 for a PS5, two dual senses and three games. One of the games I sold for like 20 bucks. I think 15 or 20 dollars. So I actually paid like 320 bucks US for a PS5 and two dualsenses. And then for the TV I paid 396 US dollars for a 75 inch TV with a free like $200 MSRP. So 150 US dollar sound bar that I sold for 100 Canadian doll. So I paid like $320 for a 75 inch TV.

[Luke Lafreniere]

First of all, Pankrat's watching right now. I had no idea you were the guy at the shipping can from lan. I had no idea that was him. That was nuts.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't know that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Until he told me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No one told me until I was just watching the episode and I was like, wait. Obviously it was like obvious when watching that.

[Linus Sebastian]

So David Pankratz from my team this year is the guy who gave Luke his free PC last year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't use any of it, but well, whatever. So that, that was nuts. And then when, when he was like selling the sound bar and the guy offered a hundred Bucks or whatever. And then I think he tried contacting you to, like, see if it was cool or not. I was like, oh, my God, just take it. I was worried he was gonna not get the deal.

[Linus Sebastian]

We got an offer on it really fast. People were like, Cause it was brand new in box. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's always my concern.

[Linus Sebastian]

They don't care if it's hot with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Trying to resell is. If it doesn't work out, you can be kind of screwed. But that TV was probably worth buying anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, last season we ran into, like. We ran into trouble where we used far more than what we had budgeted for the PC and we had, like, two full computers worth of stuff. And people were like, grinding me on the price, trying to get me to bundle basically all of it for, like. Well, realistically, it was about what I paid anyway, so I wasn't going to lose money. But. But. But I was. But I was stressed because I was like, I wanted to get rid of it for, like, a decent price. I wish we'd sold you the CPU last year when you guys wanted to buy it, and we thought you were just messing with us. Oh, that would have been so funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would have been funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would have been a first for Scrapyard Wars. Is one team actually buying an item from the other team? Yeah. I hope it happens someday. I'm not going to force it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I hope it happens organically someday.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man.

[Dan]

Anyway, if you want to see us talk about this for seven hours.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, Right. We should move on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Check out the full plane episode.

[Dan]

Float lane episode.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, also, there's another float plane exclusive this week. Luke and Sammy visit ifa. That is. Wow, that is quite the thumbnail.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We did that on purpose.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yeah, well, people like this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was talking about. Heck, yeah. I was talking about how with Sammy, I was talking about how thumbnails with mouth open get less views.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then he was like, it's floatplane. Let's just send it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. Is there a correct amount of mouth open or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is apparently a Mr. Beast thing. So if you look at, like, let's see here. If you look at his stuff lately. Yeah. So, like, if his mouth is open, his teeth are clenched. Like he doesn't have mouth gate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No mouth gape. None. There's a little one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Little one. Tiny. Tiny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there's technically a little one right here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But only, like, very, very minor. None of the like that we're used to from back in the day. Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's been going on for quite a while now. And, yeah, they released a thing a while ago saying they did. They did a bunch of ab testing of, like, the exact same thumbnail, but just one of them had some mouth gape and one of them didn't. And the one without mouth gape always performed a little bit better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. How do you know there's differences with different audiences and stuff? Like, I don't know that that's gonna work for whatever different YouTube channel, but. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, why don't we jump into.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whatever Jimmy showing off those new veneers. As far as my understanding goes, those are Photoshopped. There's some weird. I watched a thing on it. There's a weird. They. They do it in video sometimes too. And he'll, like, turn it away and it'll, like, turn off, and you can see his normal teeth, and then he'll turn back and they, like, clip back in. Odd. Really odd choice. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really? Apparently, as it wasn't Photoshop, he has new fake teeth. Oh, crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't veneers, like, ruin your natural teeth, though?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought they did. I thought they have to, like, like, shave down part of your teeth in order to apply them or something. That. That always seemed like. That always seemed like an odd choice to me. And this is even. This is even coming from someone who is, like, done face treatments and, you know, whatever, Right? Like, I've done Morpheus 8. I've done microneedling. Yes. Your actual teeth are just little spikes. You've got to be kidding me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Crazy.

[Dan]

Their covers more than, like, gluing plastic to the front of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have to permanently have them. Shut up. I have heard about regrowing teeth, though. They're working on. I think it's a drug treatment, right. Where they can, like, stimulate teeth regrowth or something. Huh. It's just better protecting the net. Crowns do the same thing, but basically just artificial protecting the natural part. But can't you have issues where. Where, like, the real teeth under it are, like, impossible to clean, and therefore they can, like, decay or something? I don't know. I haven't. I haven't looked into. I haven't looked into veneers. A ton of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so they did use AI to edit his teeth for a while, but apparently.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, where.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, because I had seen. I had seen stuff like this before. So you see, like, here, it's just a flat line, and then he actually has, like, shape to his teeth.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I Had seen someone make like a. An. There's a whole video with like a lot more oh my God detail on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I just, I. I can't imagine caring that much about Jimmy's teeth. But sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no, I thought it was interesting like the lengths they would go to and the fact that they went to those lengths. But then Al also left examples of it like clipping back to real blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, I guess he has veneers now. I don't know, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I had major dental issues, I think I would just go straight to like solid white gold teeth.

[Dan]

Yeah. Why do they have to be separate? Can't they just be like one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, no, no, no. Individual solid one teeth. I think I would go. I think I'd go straight for just the implants.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan just wants like a.

[Dan]

Like, like you ever. You get the mouth guard blade, just give me a giant gold blade.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can carry the mask. Look.

[Dan]

Yeah, there you go.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's an old reference.

[Dan]

Horrifying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are we on right now?

[Dan]

Sponsors.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

No, go away. Stop it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to put it on Luke Cam.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, there we go. Oh, wait. What? What are your notes for this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well, Luke, tell the story of the magnificent pizza you had in Berlin. I will not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are Dan's notes? I don't know if there's anything prepped.

[Linus Sebastian]

They never tell me anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, a long time ago the. You know, I've been to Germany either two or three? Was it two separate trips for Sennheiser and Cherry? It was one trip. So I've been to Germany twice then. And one time I did some adventuring with Brandon afterwards the last time I was there. And we went to specifically one place that had pizza and only one place that had pizza, and we ordered a margherita pizza. And it was the best pizza I've ever had.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So when I was going around doing random stuff with Sammy this time I was telling him all about the pizza and how good it was, and I was saying he should get one. We ordered a margherita pizza. And do you have a photo of it? Is that what you have?

[Dan]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then what's. What's prepped?

[Dan]

The shot calls, like, regular cam. There's no Luke Cam call in this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, sure.

[Dan]

Now there's no music.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, when I think of margherita pizza, this is what I think of, which is what comes up when you search margherita pizza in Google images.

[Dan]

That's a margarita pizza.

[Linus Sebastian]

Disappointingly, there is no alcoholic slushy beverage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, sure, it says pizza in it. I mean, yeah, sure, margarita pizza. I could make an AI image of that.

[Dan]

Lime and tequila.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you see, like. Like, this is kind of the quintessential one that I think of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have. You can usually see the sauce in there between the mozzarella thing slices, you've got basil. Like a pretty substantial amount of basil.

[Linus Sebastian]

That leaf.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. We got a pizza that looked a lot more like this, except just no green at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Disappoint.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was just what I would call, as a North American. A cheese pizza. Yes, that's it. I thought we got pizza scammed because they had a photo that looked almost exactly like this on. I think that's an AI photo. But they had a photo that looked almost exactly like that on their menu. We ordered a margarita pizza.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you going somewhere with this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. I don't know why? This is part of the.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you had bad food?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, basically.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We then asked Floatplane, and apparently this is a margarita pizza.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sucks. I hate that.

[Linus Sebastian]

They both are. It basically just means cheese pizza, but that's ridiculous. Fancier ones are just, like, nicer cheese pizza.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I've had margherita pizza. That is that. And I don't order margherita pizza anymore because every time I order it, it is deeply disappointing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So speaking of that, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Dan]

I have no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, you. You will answer for this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it was Dan's plan.

[Dan]

Regular cam Luke, tell story about the magnificent pizza and Sammy Linus cam. You know what's also disappointing? Wrist pain. So I was video insert number 21.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was supposed to just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got it. You nailed it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean I'm that good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was trying to get us there and then you just.

[Dan]

This is also the first time I've seen use of the wide cam in a shot call.

[Luke Lafreniere]

True. Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, it pisses me off that those are both margarita pizzas. I think that is stupid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I think people need to get their act together.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because that is absurd.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what else is stupid? Google's Android shenanigans. And they've been officially called out by a graphene OS developer on the official Graphene OS Twitter account for recent moves that make graphene OS less secure. It's a strange time to talk about Android protecting users. Android recently changed the security update system in a way which massively downgrades security and puts users at risk. Commercial exploit companies and governments can easily obtain access to broadly distributed partner preview reviews. Adding four month delays for patches is atrocious. Also, in June you claimed AOSP wasn't going anywhere. You then proceeded to not release the July or August monthly updates to aosp, followed by not releasing the September quarterly update. You officially communicated to the media and said AOSP releases were continuing, followed by three months of not publishing releases to it. Why should people believe what you say about side load? Well said. Well said graphene os. Thank you very much for that. Google. Get it together please. Because I actually do want Apple to have competition. I think it's good for them. Intel Speaking of things that happen when you don't have enough competition, they just love 14 nanometers so much that they launched yet another 14 nanometer chip this week. The source here is Tom's hardware who is reporting on Intel's new 14 nanometer and I kid you not, desktop CPU that it turns out is just a 10th gen cpu from is it 4 years ago. The core i5 110 appears as far as anybody can tell, to be literally a core i5 10, 400 from 2020. So sorry, excuse me. Five years ago. Here's a comparison page of the two CPUs from Intel directly. So we're going to start at the bottom. Okay. Just for funsies. VT acts with extended page tables. Yes, yes. Virtualization technology for directed IO. Yes, yes. Virtualization technology. Yes, yes. Ah, Intel Stable IT platform program. No. Oh, also no, I'm not going to read all of these. So we're just going to go through and see if there's any differences that intel can identify between these two chips. Any at all. Intel waiting for it. No, no. Yes, yes. Package size identical. T junction identical. LGA 1200 Brother, you are launching a CPU on a two platforms ago socket. Are you kidding me right now? And it's not like, it's not like when AMD launches a new AM4 chip and we're like hey bro, move. Because there's a lot of AM4, you know, users out there who are running legitimately like much older chips that might need an upgrade. Now this is like you only supported this for a couple real generations and then some like weird refreshes, some fake O ones. So people who have this like already have a 10th gen CPU. This isn't an upgrade to any of that. Okay. Scalability. 1s, only 1s. That means the same thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so far as, as far as I can tell, the differences are actually the same. They're just written different.

[Linus Sebastian]

The device ID is the same. Do we need to keep going? Let's keep going. Quick sync opengl support. Oh Lordy. Yeah, that's all the same. That's all the same. Oh. 1.10 versus 1.1 GHz data entry is really fun. It's DDR4. They're launching a DDR4 CPU today. What? Why? Why call it a new CPU? Literally the only difference is the launch date.

[Luke Lafreniere]

These are all just zeros.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the name, you didn't even discount it. Now to be clear, the fact that they are the same price on ARC or sorry intel.com content which used to be called ARC and used to have a cool brand and was way cooler.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Way cooler.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just because it says $200 on Ark does not mean that intel expects anybody to pay $200 for these. What is realistically probably happening is these are for developing markets where there's still a good volume of, like, old socket, old chipset, motherboards. And they can kind of dump them into markets that are, for example, that have extremely high taxes in the form of tariffs on influence imports, for instance. And so it's just at a high price to make sure that nobody outside of those markets is going to be caring about this and clamoring for them. But, like, can we just stop with the deceptive branding? This is not a new product. It doesn't need a new name. Just sell cheap. 10, 4 hundreds. I don't. I don't. I don't get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I don't understand.

[Linus Sebastian]

I do get it. I just hate it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is it then? What does the product launch help with?

[Linus Sebastian]

The product launch helps make it look new to people who don't know and to people who won't do this comparison. So someone who, like, Think about the way that. Okay, I'm gonna have to come up with an example. I was gonna say blender, but you would research the crap out of a blender. So think about the way that you would buy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Finding an example.

[Linus Sebastian]

You don't buy anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And if I do, I research the crap out of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Think about the way that Emma would buy a knife.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

She would go to a store and there would be some knives, and if one of them was the same knife from five years ago, but with like. But it was, you know, we had a new handle on it that made it look like the knife from this year, which, realistically, if it's a knife.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'S called the 2025 edition, that might.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually be the only change. Yeah, she'd be like, that's the new one. And so to the person who's going in and not like an enthusiast for knives or, you know, whatever, they just go into a store and this is a. This is Core Ultra.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love how you picked a category that we have, like, solid ones in. Because I looked it up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, like, look, the point is that most people don't care about the things that don't really impact them that much. I suspect. I suspect you wouldn't research a water bottle very much. No, I think that you would just buy a water bottle and you'd be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, four LTT ones. I just had Nalgene ones.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it would just be kind of whatever that is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

And so there are. There are absolutely categories that we're not enthusiasts for. And that's who they're targeting with this. I mean it's not like a, it's not like a cutting edge top of the line gaming processor. It's like a, it's a six core 10th gen.

[Dan]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So which to be clear, is actually still going to provide a pretty decently good gaming experience if it's paired with like an appropriate gpu, It's a good chip. And so my problem is not that they're selling it. My problem is just like why do we have to have this deceptive branding? I hate it. Just tell me what it is. That is my end of my TED talk. EBay restricts items over $500 from shipping to the US On August 27, eBay started enforcing an update to its seller listing policy for sales to the United States to limit the sale of items from certain countries to $500 including shipping. According to the policy page on ebay, there had previously been restrictions in place, but for items up to $2,500 in value. The list of restricted countries is available on the ebay source link here. And ebay states that the policy is to ensure a good shopping experience for US Buyers and maintain high quality shipping performance. I've actually seen quite a few Americans upset about shipping times for. I saw, I saw one that was about dbrand, which we are, our sponsor team is looking into. But what I will say is probably it is. It has been very challenging to get shipping to get shipments into the US in a timely and cost effective manner with all of the tariff will they? Won't they? Will they? Won't they? Yes, they will. But not like this seesawing that has been going on. So this is, this is, this is a practical impact.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is interesting because I looked up the list that they linked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like Canada's not on here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why Portugal but not Spain?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Germany's not on here. Switzerland's not on here. No. France.

[Linus Sebastian]

La France. But French Polynesia is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And French Guinea Guiana. I don't know how to pronounce.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Singapore is. That's kind of surprising to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is Taiwan on here? Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you saying Taiwan is a country?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Based?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hell yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Based as hell.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Is China on here?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I don't know. No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's the decision making here?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I just am saying. Yeah. This is, this is what. This is what happens when things are confusing. Things get confusing. Hey though. Nintendo got another video game patent. Yay. I know you were excited to talk about this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's interesting. I don't obviously like it, but I think it's something to be aware of. And it's interesting. Nintendo has been granted a patent that covers the ability to summon another character and make them battle on your behalf. Which by itself is like, oh God. It then goes on to describe things in more detail. A console or other system is being used to run a video game from story. That was kind of weird just off the hop. I thought that was weird because why wouldn't a game cart count? Maybe that counts as a form of storage. I don't know. The player controls anything is storage. Yeah, exactly. So it's playing a game.

[Linus Sebastian]

A CD is storage. A floppy disk is storage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

RAM is a form of storage.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I wouldn't call it storage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It technically is though.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I had in my house a cremation, you know, oven. Yeah, right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would you call it storage? I mean, in that case, if, if.

[Linus Sebastian]

Every time the power goes out, it stores, the fire goes on dust like, I. I don't think your fireplace is storage. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I disagree with you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So if you loaded a game into ram, you could avoid their patent?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. That's my interpretation, not a lawyer. Go ahead.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it is. I think it is storage. But anyways. A console or other system is being used to run a game from storage. The player controls a character in a virtual space. The player can perform an input command to make a sub character appear, I.e. summon another character. If there's an enemy where the sub character appears, the player can control a battle between the sub character and the enemy. And if there's no enemy where the sub character appears, the sub character will automatically move around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, isn't this just a familiar. Is Nintendo. Do they. Did they. They got this patent, the player.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, the player can move the sub character to a different location on the field. And if an enemy is there, they can control the battle between the sub character and the enemy. I think one of the minor differences is that the battle wouldn't be between like you and your thing. It's just a battle between the thing that you're controlling and one enemy. In this case, you're not involved other than commands. Because I, I thought like basically any video game. Warlock, like think Diablo. Not Warlock, I guess. Diablo. Necromancer. You're summoning a thing. It can go out and fight things, but it doesn't perfectly follow this. Because it's not like one summon. Because in Diablo usually it's multiple and they just kind of hover around you you don't like send them out and it doesn't create like one on one battles. They just all fight. Right. So it's like it doesn't, it doesn't perfect. The like Necro example doesn't perfectly fit this thing. I don't think the reason this could be scarier than a traditional trademark is. In the case of IP law, Nintendo is required to fight and protect it, protect itself with a trademark or else they could lose it. Patents are not like that. Meaning Nintendo technically has to pick and choose privileges on which infringement they want to pursue, which gives them even more power. They can, they can let people that they like get away with things and they can go after others and that won't make them lose this patent discussion question. Is there a universe out there where a patent on a video game mechanic like this could be good for the consumer? And I can't imagine one, although it is getting really weird with basically every popular game getting immediately ripped off by Roblox. So I'm not sure how that works.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone in floatplane chat said apparently a part of the patent is that the thing has to be stored in a sphere. So basically they're trying to patent Pokemon battles essentially. Ah, man, could Nintendo just like Nintendo has no problem being the beneficiary of innovative gameplay mechanics. I don't believe that Mario Kart was the first racing game, for instance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean they're like sports titles were definitely not the first sports titles.

[Linus Sebastian]

But when they're on the other side of the equation, they behave like petulant children. I. Yeah, I don't think there's really any good justification for this. Adam added to this. Okay, hear me out. Could we create a system where large corpo plaintiffs are allowed to sue, but they have to cover the legal costs of the defendant until the decision is made? That would actually be kind of a cool way to disincentivize like bull crap lawsuits.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's very interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could be extended to DMCA takedowns. If Universal wants to sue you, they can, but they have to pay your court fees while you defend yourself. That would be kind of wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's really interesting. I think there's some concerns of like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Clear until they win. If they win, then you're responsible for whatever the judgment is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is I still, I, I kind of like this. I think it's worth doing. I do think there's some concerns. Like I think people might get a false sense of security thinking like, I'm obviously going to win this. And then they have infinite money on their end. And they just win through money, which is like a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you could set it up so that you have to provide the same funding to both sides. So if you. If you. Basically you have to. So you have to. In escrow or whatever. You have to like you have to. Or not in escrow, because that's. The defendant wouldn't actually have it. But whatever you spend pursuing, pursuing it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it would have to only.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apply to like individuals.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's also cool and interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it comes with its own pitfalls in my mind because again, false sense of security. If you think you're gonna win, this could ruin you for your entire life versus a slap on the wrist for the game company.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you'll have a super cool team of lawyers to tell you you're not gonna win.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then you'll still do some and then you'll settle much, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So you'll have to reach some kind of settlement. The point is just that you wouldn't be able to imitate people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's cool. In general.

[Linus Sebastian]

You wouldn't be able to just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's definitely an idea here that I think we should do. As if we could do anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. When we're in. When we're in charge of Canada, then we will. We'll be sure to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Running marathon, something like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Running marathons, actually Kind of cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Carney ran a marathon.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, did he?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got a pretty good time apparently.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay, man. Good for him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't actually look into it because I don't care. I saw, but I mean, that's neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw that. There's talk of as part of the rift with our southern neighbors and attempts to mend fences with our Far Eastern neighbors, perhaps getting rid of the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've heard very rumor mill things about this. That's very interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Prime Minister Carney, if you're watching, I have a humble request. If you're going to do this, I want a commitment from the Chinese EV manufacturers that they are going to replace the manufacturing jobs that we are going to be losing, especially in Ontario, with their own sort of their own manufacturing within our borders that will at some point probably end up serving other parts of North America as well. I think that's one concession. I also think that we should be getting strong investment from those companies in renewable energy here to support the EV charging that we're going to need to do a lot more of because we're going to have like $11,000 EVs that is my, that is my $0.02 on the matter. I also think that we need to carefully consider our strategic minerals and not give up too much of that as part of this whole process. Because I suspect that would be part of. Well, look, I have no problem with the Chinese mining the minerals. If they're also manufacturing the batteries and EVs within Canada. They can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just don't think that's going to go well.

[Linus Sebastian]

They can capitalistically benefit from that. From that harvesting by selling within our market. They can have access to the market. Okay. I mean, I don't think I'm going to get my deal because we also need like canola farmers to be able to export to China and stuff. There's a whole thing there. But I want some automotive manufacturing on the continent. You can't just like wage. We are the only ones who can manufacture cars anymore. Warfare. I don't think that's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what they want to do though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that is exactly what they want to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. How would you tackle the jobs thing? Because this is, this is a song that has been sang many a time where a company's like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna get a ton of jobs here. We're gonna build this like massive factory and then it's 90 automated and there's 10 jobs. So do you, do you do like it has to be X amount of jobs that are in, you know, some certain level of average income versus the country's.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know how you tackle that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it obviously needs be to some consideration because I don't really care if they're manufacturing jobs. They could be service jobs, they could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Be whatever, doesn't matter.

[Linus Sebastian]

As long as there are. As long as there is a net positive workforce benefit to having this work being done here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I actually do care.

[Linus Sebastian]

You care about specifically manufacturing because remember that automated equipment is on our soil now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I care in the sense that it should be defined. I don't necessarily care that it needs to be manufacturing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because the reason why I'm saying I do care is because you just had service jobs and if they end up just like opening a bunch of restaurants and then just like.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, not service, but okay, sure, I see what you mean. So I meant service like in the, like just like with scrapyard wars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're going to try to work around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. If there's anyone who would out scrapyard wars us, it would be the ccp.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fanboy NZ says Hot take Linus Canada carmakers should compete. Which ones? Beaumont our auto. Our domestic automotive industry was gutted decades ago by the Americans. So we're basically just trading one for another at this point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Make Bombardier make cars.

[Linus Sebastian]

You mean Bombardier.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bombardier. Bombardier. I want a Bombardier car. Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

WTF is a Beaumont Beaumont Canadian car manufacturer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here you go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here you go. Beaumont automobile. This is a 1968 Beaumont SD396.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, they're kind of sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not gonna lie. Pretty cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Looks a lot like a gto.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mid sized automobiles. Oh it was just. Oh. Was a make made by General Motors of Canada. So even then it was like it was based on the Chevelle. It was barely even Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude. A Bombardier car would go sick. Good. Go really hard though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Over the snow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They make planes. A lot of companies that made planes went into cars.

[Linus Sebastian]

They actually make the sickest plane right now. The Global 8000 is like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying the BMW logo is a propeller. There are lots of car companies that made planes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at this thing. Proud Canadian here, boys. It is the fastest business jet in the world. It has a range of 8000 nautical miles. This thing can go almost 15000 kilometers on a single fill up. And it Travels at Mach 0.94.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. I think it's the fastest plane since the Concorde. Don't they have that well that carries passengers?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fighter jet or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no, no, no. I thought they had like a new, new. New Concord thing going on.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think there's something in development from what's. What's their nuts. Boeing or something. But Lord only knows if that'll ever be finished. 7 of lesbians asks, does Bombardier even exist anymore? I thought they were gutted by private equity. I don't know. They seem to be doing okay. Shows you what I know if. If that's true. But no, that's not my understanding. I thought Bombardier is kind of doing stuff at this point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The end of the airplane is misinfo. Regardless, my point was that a lot of companies that make cars used to make airplanes. And that's true. I don't really care too much about the logo.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway. Yeah, Global 8000 looks sick. Could literally never afford one at Zim in floatplane chat says 78 million dollar price tag. Hold on. Do they have any interior shots? I mean the interior is basically gonna look how big the windows are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My like.

[Linus Sebastian]

What are you kidding me? The. The healthiest of cabins. Look at this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

God.

[Linus Sebastian]

I guess I'LL just sleep in my, like, I don't know. That's at least a full, right? Is that a full size bed? Yeah, it looks like a full to me. And here's the cuck chair. Built right in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, sorry, what's rough? Being.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not the fabric on the cock chair.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll say. Yeah, no, definitely not. Okay. Anywho, what are we supposed to be talking about? Ah, yes. Okay, okay, okay. I just liked this because it's what Owen, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru did in Star Wars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's a moisture evaporator. What are they called in Star Wars? Are they called moisture evaporators or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought they had like a few different contraptions, I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

But basically moisture evaporator. Well, yeah, that doesn't make any sense. What are they called? Oh, just Moisture farmer. No, no, I think the thing's called.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something he's not talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

The moisture vaporators. Yeah, moisture evaporate. And wait, that doesn't make sense either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, vaporators.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that doesn't make sense because that would turn it to vapor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Seems weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

Moisture evaporators is right. It says pankraz. I trust Pancreas moisture evaporators. I mean, it's Star wars technology. It doesn't matter. The point is now there's Star wars technology. And that was all I really had to say about that. Yeah, I just saw this thing and I was like, oh my God, it's Star Wars. MIT is testing a new technology to pull water from the air. The idea is not new, but the hydrogel technology they're using is. It's a window sized panel made of absorbent hydrogel infused with salt. Folded up, enclosed in glass, the material absorbs water vapor from the air and swells. Then it shrinks as it evaporates. The water condenses on the glass and flows down a tube. Currently it makes about 2/3 of a cup of water a day, but requires zero power. The hope is that these could be scaled up and improved to provide drinking water for a single household. Could be great for emergency situations. And the discussion question is how much moisture was Uncle Owen farming? I don't know, presumably quite a bit because he had like, like, like hectares of these moisture evaporators. Right. So Star Wars, I think they kind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of brush over it, but I don't think Tatooine have lakes. I don't think any at all. So I think all of the water for that entire planet was from these moisture farms. Yeah. So it must have been like an incredible amount.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. Why did anybody settle there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's crazy, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Mexico is taxing video games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean you can say that about places in the world now in real life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well yeah, but in the world now, in real life. They were like always there. But like Tatooine is like space travel. Like I understand why the Tuscans are there. I don't understand why humans bothered.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fair enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like do you really have to imperial like concept, conquer and occupy everything? Mexico has published their 2026 economic package and under the Healthy Taxes section, yeah, there is a mention of an 8% special tax on digital services offering violent video games. Here's their reason. Recent studies have found a relationship between the use of violent video games and higher levels of aggression among adolescents, as well as negative social and psychological effects such as isolation and anxiety. Referring to the study the Effect of Video Games on Social, Psychological and Physiological Variables in Children and Adolescents, the article itself, as some people have pointed out, is actually a well written study. The problem is it's from 2012 and has outdated information such as references to MySpace. Others pointed out that the economic package also cherry picks certain words and cases from the study to justify the tax even further. Our discussion question is While the narrative of video games cause violence continues to parade through politics and often has studies disproving it, even if it were true, is an 8% tax the correct solution if they were trying to somehow mitigate the supposed damage that these video games are doing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the very fact that their solution is to tax it by 8% belies that they obviously don't actually consider this to be a problem that they need to solve because if they did, they would have a real solution, not just a silly little tax. So basically, yeah, it's a Steam tax, which, you know, our moisture evaporate moisture evaporators are only getting 2/3 of a cup a day. We can't pay a Steam tax.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh man, I love that you tripped over the name because it's like actually so bad of a name.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh well, yikes. I don't have a lot to say to that other than yikes. Sure, Google admits the open Web is in rapid decline Google's lawyers in a September 5th 5th court ruling court filing said the fact is that today the open web is already in rapid decline. They were arguing that the plaintiffs divestiture proposal would only accelerate that decline, harming publishers who currently rely on open Web display advertising revenue. Notable change from May comments by Google VP of Search Nick Fox saying in quotes, from our point of View the web is thriving. But there's good news. A co creator of rss. Oh yeah, this is actually really interesting. A co creator of RSS Eckart Walter helped launch RSL or Really Simple Licensing, a free and open standard that Ars Technica calls beefeduprobots. TXT instructions, which is a solution to AI discriminating click throughs, decimating click throughs or pay per crawl.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hmm. The discussion question is will LLMs pay up against RSL? I mean, no. I mean they've stolen everything up until now. So what are we. Do we really think there's any hope that this will fix anything?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that it will help lay legal framework for fighting. I think that's really the only chance. I don't think it's actually going to stop anything from happening, but it should put some ammunition on the side of people that are upset about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've got a couple more today. Warner Brothers is an unlikely ally in the fight against AI Slop and has sued Midjourney. On Thursday, Warner Bros. Discovery filed a lawsuit against AI company Midjourney for purposefully infringing copyrighted work to the tune of either $150,000 per infringed work, which could add up to hundreds of millions, or all profits that Midjourney has made related to WB properties. In the 101 page suit, Warner Brothers lawyers write, evidently Midjourney will not stop stealing property until a court orders it to stop. Midjourney's large scale infringement is systematic, ongoing and willful and Warner Bros. Discovery has been and continues to be substantially and irreparably harmed by it. There's actually some really good examples. Let me check if the Polygon. Yeah, this is amazing. So this is, this is from Polygon here. Dan, do you mind linking to the article? If people want to check out more of the examples. But this is pretty incriminating. Not only did Mid Journey clearly output know what Superman looks like, but like specifically, specifically exactly what Warner Bros. Copyrighted character. And now look, we can have an awful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's better you.

[Linus Sebastian]

We can have an awful. I don't think that was Mid Journey. We can have an awful long conversation about whether Warner Brothers fairly compensated the creators of various DC characters and properties and all of that. We, we could, we. That's a longer conversation. But what I will say is Mid Journey looks pretty, pretty guilty here. And in the current legal framework that is Warner Brothers ip, this seems like a pretty pretty big. Yikes. We just have to find out again as all of this makes its way through the legal system. Are there going to be any consequences? And will those consequences be lasting? Because the way that I see it, now that all of this is kind of out there, there's no way to put, you know, Pandora back in her box. Yeah, it's out of the box. So you know what, what happens then? Does Mid Journey go bankrupt? But then a bunch of people who have been paying themselves out of Mid Journey's investment funds and now have their own personal hoards of wealth just start another one and then use what? Well, Mid Journey stole that. I mean, it's just out there now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, likely finding the same investors again in a lot of cases. Same key investors at least. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Osiris asks, are you going to be seeing Super Mario Galaxy in theaters? Honestly, I'd rather watch it at home. Is that the name of the sequel? I'm amazed they went straight to the Galaxy. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'd rather watch it at home. Dude, I got a new tv.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It happens so often.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it doesn't even happen that often. I had the TCL for two years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Almost two years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It felt a lot shorter than that. Yeah, dude, is it that much better?

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't have as many backlight zones by a lot, which for a TV that size is a bit of a challenge.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you notice it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, but it has an RGB backlight. RGB gamer. Okay. But it actually has benefits for image quality because instead of shining white through an lcd, you're shining color. So the color volume that it can achieve, and the reason I thought of it is because Super Mario Bros. Is a movie that looks amazing on it. Also, it uses a standard Vesa bolt pattern, so I can actually put it on like a standard wall mount and I can bring it a little closer so my 116 inch TV can be closer to the actual viewing size of the 120 inch projector that I used to have mounted right to the wall. So. Dude, yeah, I would actually seriously rather watch it at home.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sweet. Heck yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, unique username says you've already talked about it. Okay, well, it's actually installed now. We installed it or not installed. We opened it on Monday. I haven't installed it yet. So the video of us like opening it and trying it is in the works. And then we're actually gonna throw the full gamut of labs testing at it and do like an installation vlog. And that'll be like a second video because it's really expensive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So I'm not gonna play it because even though it's a Trailer. We get copyright strikes for trailers all the time. Okay, that looks like it's what it's called 13 hours ago from IGN. It's probably real.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, Cool. Official title announcement. Nintendo Direct the Super Mario Galaxy Movie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kind of surprised by the title. Just like you said a long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ago, in a Super Mario Galaxy far, far away. Lossless streaming on Spotify is coming. No, but for real this time it'll be rolling out to more than 50 markets through October, with some already starting to get access. Now the service is going to be included for premium subscribers. It won't be a new subscription tier and it's been a long time coming with rumors starting as early as 2017. Coming later this year. Oh, oh. Coming later this year in 2021 and almost ready in May of 2024. Discussion Question do you care?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, a little bit. And it just feels like being on whatever it's even called now. YouTube Music is just a more and more sad experience over time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, it used to be Google Play.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Google Play was way better and it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was actually like a way better app.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then they just made it way worse. And then I don't think I can't name anything that improved about it since they made the change.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can name a couple.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's improved?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's way easier to access music videos.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, sorry. Since after the change happened. What has like, okay, we have YouTube music now. Yeah, we're on here now. It's good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whatever YouTube music is, it's better for watching music videos if you care about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I know. Oh, after we got to the. So we got a platform.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We are here. It's better for finding music videos. What has now happened? Because it's been years. I can't think of a new feature that came out. The only thing I can think of is they do recaps now, which they just stole from Spotify and I don't care about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I skipped them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. What needs to improve the user experience of YouTube music is just worse in a lot of ways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bury the hatchet with Sonos. So I can just cast to my Sonos speakers, please. The Google Play Sonos experience was. Or it's Google Play music. Oh, it was so good. I would just. I would be listening to my headphones as I walked in the door and then I would just have my YouTube or my Google Play music app open and I would just click cast and then select the speaker and it would just cast and I like, it wouldn't even practically skip a beat. It was amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wish. Considering they killed the podcast app, if they made podcasts within YouTube Music Better, I know they're there. But if they made it better, that would be nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, handyman, I don't think the experience.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of podcast stuff within YouTube music is all that fantastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

As for lossless formats, honestly, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I really care. I'm Pankrat's posted in here. I'm just waiting to see the videos about how people can definitely hear the difference on their like Bluetooth earbuds. Yeah, yeah, me too. I think there's a lot of it takes a really, really, really fine setup where even like the trained ear can like really tell the difference between lossless and a pretty decently high quality stream.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So for me, I think having lossless just generally, if I know it's real, communicates to me that I'm not getting cheaped out on an audio quality.

[Linus Sebastian]

But the thing is that it's not. Oh, I guess, yeah, not cheaped out on in terms of like the cost of delivery, but like not. The lossless Master might not even necessarily be the best one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

So good luck everyone. I mean in a lot of cases it probably is, but I don't think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a particularly fantastic ear. But yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's a good point about the Master not being protected necessarily. Better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Flush door handles on EVs can fail, so China is now banning them. Whoops. I just moved a thing. With modern EVs and cars, the style has trended towards flush and sleek door handle designs. The problem is that in the event of a power loss, these handles can prevent people from accessing the car. The main concern comes from emergency situations like first responders not being able to assist easily. China is apparently looking at banning these style handles by 2027 for these reasons. And our discussion question here is what is your favorite breakfast cereal?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought the handle thing is interesting because some of them you can kind of press in one side and it pops the handle out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but it's still powered so it requires power to do that. Because there's an assumption with EVs that they are always powered because they don't just run off of like a 12 volt lead acid battery. For basic functions like you've got access to a high voltage high amperage battery pack because if you didn't then it would be completely off. No one would be operating.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you press this. Isn't it just a lever? It's not just a lever. You press the side.

[Linus Sebastian]

It depends. Not all of them are the same. So there's ones that when you press it, it's like you're opening it or like the actual retraction. Like on the model S. It wasn't even a lever, if I recall correctly. It was like fully motorized that it would come out. So it just depends. I don't know. I've been partial to mini wheats lately, but Elijah said I couldn't think of a good question for this since it seems like a no duh moment last.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Time I had cereal, so I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. I guess it's just like too many calories for you now. Too much sugar. I haven't been eating as much cereal lately either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love cereal.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm unhappy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We'll get there. Not yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Lidar can damage your camera sensor. MKBHD shared a video showing his damaged camera sensor from the infrared lasers from lidar navigation systems on a car. This is in part due to the Class 1 lasers coming from these sensors, but also due to the focusing effect of the camera's lens. Here are some shots of the damage from the lidar sensors. Ruh Ro. That's a bummer. Naturally, the closer the sensor, the higher the risk of damage the sensor. Damaging lasers are in the infrared spectrum, which should not pose a threat to your vision as the fluid in your eye absorbs the infection infrared light before it would damage your retina. This is not health advice. I'm not a doctor. So feel free to keep staring directly into those waymos. But be careful with your camera sensor. And that's our last topic. So why don't we jump into After Dark?

[Luke Lafreniere]

After Dark.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's do it. Man, this felt like a long wan show already, didn't it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it was about three and a half hours.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, all right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. Neat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cuz we started like. Are you mocking mostly on.

[Dan]

No, I'm agreeing.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, he's mocking me sarcastically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He is mocking you.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, that's what I said. That's what I thought.

[Dan]

You have a very mockable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Be gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My goodness.

[Dan]

Hey, Linus. I'm a huge Crosscode fan. What made you a fan of the game? Also, are you excited for Alabaster Dawn?

[Linus Sebastian]

Have. Is that their new game? Have they. They have. They named it. Oh, what is this? Two and a half D action RPG from the creators of Crosscode. Does it have a release date? Am I supposed to be excited yet?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so, no. To be announced.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, Alabaster Dawn. Ooh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Demo.

[Linus Sebastian]

Release date. Demo, demo. You say Radical Fish Games. I mean, there's. Dude, there's like nothing on here.

[Dan]

Wish list on Steam.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I'll obviously play it. They did cross code is. So they had it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They had a playable demo at Gamescom 2025.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I, I thought it was like an online demo, but yeah, I think it's just a playable demo at Gamescom.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sounds great. Can't wait. I will, I will. Okay. We always say don't pre order, right? But, but, but I have actually, and there's some, there's some precedent for this. I so remember when I pre ordered Bill Watterson's weird adult graphic novel thing. That was terrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. And remember, do you remember what I said to you, though? I said no matter how bad it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was, you were going to buy it anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

I could never pay Mr. Watterson enough for Calvin and Hobbes and what it meant to me and how much entertainment it has given me over the years. He won't take my money in the form of Hobbs plushies for my children. So if I have to give him 20 bucks or whatever it is for his utterly worthless, worthless piece of garbage adult novel thing, whatever the crap that was, I will do it. I will do it happily. I'll do it happily. I would buy it. Again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not saying a lot because it was bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was awful. Truly awful. Yeah, just maybe not awful, but just pointless. So Radical Fish, same book for me. I didn't pay enough for Crosscode, so I will, I will just buy the new one and if it totally sucks sweaty hairy donkey dick, I will still have not paid them enough for Crosscode. And I will, I will happily. I will, I will happily give them the money.

[Dan]

Make sure you're wish listing things on Steam too. That's really important for creators.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is actually super important. Up next, why is it. Is it just a funding thing?

[Dan]

No, it's a Steam algorithm thing. Super, super, super important because Steam doesn't have like an engagement platform.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's it.

[Dan]

That's all that matters. And it costs nothing. Hey, y'.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All.

[Dan]

Last, when Linus mentioned his daughter starting to model for the P1s, what modeling program do you have her using? I use Inventor at work and NX at school. But money, money, money for a copy for him.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think she's using like a free tier of Tinkercad. It's whatever they like showed her at the little like maker classes that she goes to is Tinkercad. Good is.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's something else she should be using. I think that's like an open issue source. I can't quite remember but it's pretty good. SolidWorks future engineer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I've been super, super impressed with her taking initiative on this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And, and it's so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

She hasn't always been the most self motivated but she is self motivated to go and, and like fix it when it's not working and to, to learn more about it. Like the fact that she's going and learning about filament types and stuff I'm. I'm super impressed by. Because it's not that simple for like you know, someone who's like still around her first decade. I'm trying to see if I have any of the stuffed animals. She makes stuffed animals now. That's another thing that she's gotten into. So Yvonne hasn't done the short circuit on it yet, but she picked up an embroidery machine and my daughter's been learning how to use that as well. So she's, she's going to be starting to learn bowl like additive manufacturing and some, some more like. I guess it would still be an stl, right? Like an embroidery machine probably.

[Dan]

So like vectorized I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I don't know. But she's.

[Dan]

Yeah, she's SVGs and things like. Think about it like a laser cutter embroidery is actually really weird. If you're doing CNC embroidery it's like stitch types and overlaps and it can get really weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So she's getting into all, all kinds of wild stuff these days.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway.

[Dan]

Okay. Hey lld love the show. Linus, I was wondering if you had any more thoughts on the Oslo sleep buds after using them for a while. My mom and I both got pairs after seeing your review and they've improved, I guess. Sleep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Generally I only take those with me on trips where I still find the, the pairing of the AirBot AirBody AirPods a little bit more painless. Um, but if I'm going to be on like a long flight and I really need to not be disrupted by my AirPods running out of battery and I don't mind like kind of setting up because you have to pair to the base station which pairs to your phone. It's a whole thing. Um, really good product, really cool product. But I don't use them super regularly. I should probably give them another shot with the latest updates at home.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Home.

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't used them lately because I haven't done any overseas travel.

[Dan]

Hello, Linus, this Is not a question though. Actually it is. You talked before that Linux. Linus is perfectly capable of building himself a PC. What changed? You just thought to ask?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I just, I don't know. I. I summoned the bravery to handle the rejection if he said no and I shot my shot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hell yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And he was super chill and cool about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hell yeah.

[Dan]

With Linus Torvalds potentially coming onto the show, is there a possibility to get on Richard Stallman and build him a computer with non proprietary software? We need the Stallman build.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why don't we see how it goes with Mr. Torvalds first and then we can kind of put together a wish list of super cool computer industry luminaries to bring onto the show and build computers with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like for Stallman, if we did that, if he was cool with it, if, if, if, if, if, if Risk was at a point where it was like legitimate, that would be sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

We could, I mean we could do a relatively simple build and just put one of those Risk five motherboards into like a framework or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, could be neat.

[Dan]

Hello, Bob. Slob and nobility. Bob Linus. What was it like?

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on. Who's who? I mean, I feel like Bob is the only one that's not horrible.

[Dan]

I'll take slob.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'll take slob.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'll take knob. You can be Bob.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, you're not the one who takes knob. Anywho. Slurp.

[Dan]

Linus. What was it like holding a memory module from the Saturn 5 rocket?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my God, it's after dark. Shut up. I ran out of air.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was like. It was like holding history. It was. It was really cool. It's. It's one of those emotional experiences and normally holding a computer component or whatever is not. It's a non emotional experience. But the craftsmanship. Or should I say craftswomanship? Because apparently this the. The woven ones. Yeah. The folks who assembled them were almost exclusively women on display. Was. It was just so apparent. So it was somewhere in between a cool piece of technology and like literal actual art. Very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This stuff. Just. Just for reference.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like what the heck is even going on? This is like. I. I don't know. Some of that era's technology is wild.

[Dan]

My algorithm delivered me the virtual inertial reference system with the gyroscopes and the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How, how, how.

[Dan]

This is because slide rules. I was trying to figure out how slide will work with my dad the other day. He learned about them in school. Never know. Figured it out anyway. Luke, you spoke a bit about classic battlefield Last week. I also miss maps like Battle of Britain, filling up a bomber with six players. Also, did you ever play Battlefield Vietnam?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think I played pretty much all of the old Battlefield.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't know they did a Battlefield Vietnam. That's a weird war to make a video game about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wasn't that. I thought that might have been an expansion.

[Dan]

I think the problem with the game is that you just can't win.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is this a full game?

[Linus Sebastian]

I remember this. Actually, I think it was an expansion. No, it's a full game. Shut up. Developed by Digital Illusions Canada.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know I played it, but I thought it was maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe by Canadian standards, you know, the Vietnam War wasn't that bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. That was like a Tuesday.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think we wrote any conventions that time. So, like.

[Dan]

Yeah, we didn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's the point?

[Dan]

We didn't make the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's the point?

[Dan]

Chemicals.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Maybe they learned from us.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Include us next time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently was the first with helicopters.

[Dan]

We have ideas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What if you put. What if you put the gas in.

[Linus Sebastian]

The can instead of helicopters?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Blades.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're actually blades. Just more on the bottom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Chainsaws. I'm already hiccuping so much. My God.

[Dan]

I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yeah, no, I loved Battlefield games. I think. I don't think it's just Battlefield the problem. I think AAA as a whole kind of lost the plot there for a long time, forgetting that games needed to be fun. They focused on graphics. They focused on just a. A wide variety of things that weren't just like, the game being good and fun. And it seems like we might maybe in some cases be coming back to that, which is cool. Hopefully the next GTA is good. Hopefully the next Battlefield is good. And hopefully we keep going from there, but we'll. We'll see. I can't even talk.

[Dan]

Hello, Miss. Watched the Chromebook video and was wondering what the most awkward situation you were in when in public. I'm sure lots of recognition happens at Best Buy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. Awkward. Man. I can't. I don't even know if I can remember anymore. Every time there's like a. What was the most X that you. Y. I have such a hard time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, never going to be accurate. It's just gonna be whatever one you remember.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's. When you remember that moment?

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, man, I'm like, awkward all the time. I. I had. I had an employee come and say bye to me recently because it was their last day and just to shake hands and I was And I was like. I said something, like, completely wrong. I. Oh, yeah, I remember what I said. I remember what I said. I was. I said welcome because I just. My brain completely the opposited. What I meant to say was like, thanks for. Thanks for everything, you know, And. And they want like. Like I. I said welcome Like, I've never met them. They worked here over two years. Like, I completely knew who they were. And I knew they were coming because I. I knew that they had tendered their resignation a little while ago. And I was just like. I was like, welcome. And then as I tried to recover, I made it, like, way worse than. Yeah, so that wasn't in public, but it sucked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty epic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I. I've just. Dude, I'm. When I'm on the spot, I just can say just like the dumbest stuff. Like, I. I think I've told the story about the time the border guards asked me where I was going and I said the wrong place. Just because I was tense, not because I was doing anything illicit.

[Dan]

Anyway, where are you off to?

[Linus Sebastian]

Crimes?

[Dan]

Last one I got for you today.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, you missed the Chromebook one. Did you skip that one one?

[Dan]

I thought that was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wait, that was it. Yep. Good job.

[Dan]

Was that it? Okay. Thank God. Would be awesome to know what the pool of mystery items is. I would grab a mystery hoodie if that was the case. Also, I'm colorblind. What color is iron cargo pants?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, iron is not the ones I'm wearing. I'm wearing the blue ones. Gray.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So they're not. They're what you see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You should. Yeah, you should be able to handle it. Pool of mystery items. Yeah, but that's the point of mystery items is that they're kind of whatever they are. That's why they're cheaper.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would make it really tedious because it, like constantly changes. Yeah, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's supposed to be a low cost way of liquidating stuff that we need to liquidate for whatever reason.

[Dan]

And actual last1. Howdy. LLD. Have you guys heard about the DDoS attacks happening to Fafrevor?

[Linus Sebastian]

FA Forever.

[Dan]

Forever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Supreme Commander.

[Dan]

Oh, the new one. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, the old one.

[Dan]

The old one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Forged alliance forever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a community project. The fact that someone's attacking this is.

[Dan]

Oh, damn.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoever's attacking this is a butthole.

[Dan]

They are asking for help defending, like a sphincter. Tight.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no. Damn and dirty.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

The continuous unwashed sphincter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It leaks.

[Dan]

The continuation of FA forever on their form.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I hadn't heard about the DDoS attacks. That's super uncool. And I don't even know how we would begin to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do they want?

[Linus Sebastian]

They want help defending DDoS attacks, but like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but I don't know anything about their. Does someone have a link to them talking about this or something?

[Dan]

Forever that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Forever F A. Forever. Dan, for crying out loud.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's just for I. Why? Why? Why is this happening? Is this Forge alliance forever?

[Dan]

Recompense for exe?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I guess. Oh my goodness. No, I mean my hiccups, not you saying it weirdly.

[Dan]

Oh, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

They need contributors with solid software development background to help address the latest attack vectors. Yeah. Oh, this is such a bummer to read the past decade of the Internet. The past decade, the Internet has changed significantly. In my personal view, the Internet used to be more innocent. As a small open source service provider such as FA Forever, it was unthinkable that we would be the target of malicious actors. And because of that, the infrastructure was never designed to be resilient. Of course there are basic authentication and authorization checks, but in general, our implementation assumed the user consuming the service acted in good faith.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, a lot of the Internet kind of just sucks now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man, this is so not cool. Unfortunately, I don't have any development help to offer. But what I do have is a farewell for all of you. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. This is not the show you're looking for anymore tonight.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bye.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mind trick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh man, I'm gonna crash so hard.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sorry it was such a long.