I’m Taking Credit For This - WAN Show April 3, 2026

Summary

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The WAN Show: "I’m Taking Credit For This — WAN Show April 3, 2026"

Host: Linus Sebastian
Co-hosts: Luke Lafreniere, Dan Bessler
Release Date: April 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

The WAN Show rings in "Good News April," dedicating this episode to focusing on positive technology updates and engaging discussions about the latest shifts in the tech landscape. Linus, Luke, and Dan dive into the surprising surge of Linux market share on Steam, collapsing DDR5 memory prices (and what’s driving it), ground-breaking AI efficiency improvements, and real human inspiration in space exploration. Sprinkled with their trademark banter, they also dig into listener questions, share hardware mishaps, discuss Jet-ownership and sustainability, and geek out over the ongoing Artemis 2 moon mission—marking humanity's first manned lunar mission in over half a century.

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[00:50] Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Steam Survey: Linux Gaming Surges ([03:28]–[32:00])

• Headline: Steam's hardware survey shows Linux market share more than doubled, now at 5.33%.

• Breakdown: Arch Linux leads, followed by Mint and Ubuntu. The hosts muse about possible causes: Steam Deck’s influence, Valve’s reporting adjustments, and the Phoronix-reported removal of China-based users (where piracy is more rampant) from survey stats.

  Takeaway Quotes:

  • “5.33%—that’s pretty good. That’s like a userbase that you care about now.” — Linus [05:37]
  • “If they sell enough [Steam Decks], game developers will simply not be able to afford to ignore it.” — Luke [05:44]

• Personal Linux Experiences: Linus, Luke, and Dan discuss their ongoing "Linux challenge."

  • Friction and hurdles (file system cross-compatibility, NTFS issues, permissions, command line copying vs GUI, etc.)
  • Reframing Linux as a “console” for gaming, not just a Windows replacement.
  • The enduring importance of "killer apps" for platform success.

• Linux Adoption Nuances:

  • Cross-platform is good, but a change in perspective could help users accept some limitations.
  • Ongoing issues remain, especially with moving between file systems (NTFS vs ext4) and anti-cheat compatibility.

2. DDR5 Pricing Collapses, AI’s Role & Economic Ripple ([32:05]–[46:34])

• Headline: DDR5 RAM prices in China drop over 30%, with broader global price dips following.

• Causes: Google's TurboQuant AI compression, Sam Altman’s (OpenAI’s) "letters of intent" for DRAM purchases that never materialized, general bursting of the AI hardware bubble.

• Market Analysis: RAM is a competitive, commoditized market—unlike GPUs—and prices will correct. Linus and Luke expect home labs, AI, and data centers to shake up the secondhand market in coming years.

  Quote:

  • "RAM is like this, man—it’s always up and down… and we’ll absolutely see it crash again." — Luke [35:44]
  • "I’m extremely excited for five years from now when all these data centers are out of date… I can get a couple of cool AI cards." — Luke [36:39]

3. Google TurboQuant: Sixfold RAM Compression for LLMs ([89:19]–[97:21])

• Explanation: TurboQuant compresses the inference memory of large language models by 6x, with no accuracy loss, enabling more efficient (and cheaper) AI inference.

• Market Impacts: Prompted a dip in RAM (and related) stock prices, but AI deployments may simply fan new demand.

• Tech Details: Utilizes "PolarQuant" and "QJL" error correction to store data more efficiently. Could shape the future of both enterprise and local AI.

  Quote:

  • “Just three bits per number. Damn.” — Linus [91:44]

4. Artemis 2: Humans Back to the Moon ([119:02]–[127:18], [151:00]+)

• Historic Launch: NASA’s Artemis 2 begins humanity’s first crewed lunar flyby since Apollo 17 (1972). Canadian astronaut featured.
• Banter:
  • The enormous challenge of retaining and regaining "lost" expertise—“Maintaining knowledge takes actual effort and tons of stuff has been forgotten.” — Luke [127:18]
  • Inspiration and optimism for humanity—“Space stuff just tends to bring people together, which I think is so cool… petty little squabbles are not what we should worry about.” — Linus [126:37]
• Memorable Moment:
  • Astronaut deals with Outlook issues on stream:
    • “I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks and neither one of these are working. If you want to remote in and check Optimus and those two Outlooks, that would be awesome.” — Commander Reid Wiseman, quoted [123:46]

5. Good News Hits & Community Shout-outs ([48:01]–[54:29], [133:00]+)

• Game Date: New site lets communities schedule play sessions for dead/underrated multiplayer games (Unreal Tournament 2004, Battlefront 2, etc.).

  • “One of the big problems with these old games is they go in a self-fulfilling death spiral… now you can spark some fun experiences.” — Linus [49:15]

• Neuralink Update: Paralyzed patient rates and explores Azeroth in World of Warcraft hands-free, mind control only.

  • “He says he is raiding and exploring Azeroth. Hands free, full speed, no mouse, no keyboard, just intention.” — Linus [142:11]

• Spotify Adds Bit-perfect “Exclusive Mode” for audiophiles on Windows.

  • “That is so cool… You can get bit-perfect quality, that’s sweet.” — Luke [117:14]

• Valve (Steam) Fixes Regional Pricing: Addresses price imbalances in 37 currencies, letting developers price more fairly.

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Notable Quotes & In-Episode Banter

• [09:10] Luke (on Linux adoption):
  “What if… instead of thinking about Linux as a replacement for Windows, we think about it as more of like an appliance, more like a console?”
• [11:00] Linus:
  “Microsoft is actively pushing me away. And the Linux experience has gotten so much better since the last time we tried it.”
• [23:45] Linus (on user experience migrating files):
  “If it did error… it should just tell me, ‘Hey, I missed 100,000 files.’”
• [123:46] Artemis 2 Astronaut:
  “I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks and neither one of these are working. If you want to remote in… that would be awesome.”
• [126:37] Linus:
  “Space stuff just tends to bring people together… astronauts look back at Earth and feel like our petty little squabbles are not things we should worry about.”
• [142:11] Linus (on Neuralink):
  “He is raiding and exploring Azeroth. Hands-free, full speed, no mouse, no keyboard, just intention.”
• [158:26] Linus (on “fixing Windows search”):
  “That was the most angry I’ve ever been about good news. Yeah, but it’s still good news.”
• [205:10]+ Luke (on GamerJet):
  “This is intended to be very temporary… It’s trying to make it fun again. I want to try to make it fun again.”

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[63:07+] Listener Q&A and Community Interaction

• On Tech House Renovation: Structural rewiring triggered by extensive asbestos, leading to a full gut. Linus: “There’s no way we were just going to sweep literal asbestos under the rug.”
• On Company Philosophy: Staff compensation (“above norms”), Jet ownership transparency, and content direction: “Trying to find the fun again… Back to basics.”
• Linux Challenge Update: More-real-world file system issues, switching between DEs ("KDE vs Mint and Cinnamon"), and hardware failures possibly accelerated by NTFS incompatibility.
• Favorite Cats Story: Touching anecdotes about Linus’ cats and childhood horses — with more personality talk than you get on any other tech show.
• On Repairability in Products:
  • “Most consumers will not actually buy something for that reason. So you just have to make it really good… you’ll have very loud people on your side, but it still has to be good.” — Linus [228:58]

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[221:33+] Rapid-fire Topics: Backup, Bilibili, Home Automation

• Recommendation for backup software: Paragon (“as long-lasting as Windows 7 Backup”).
• Comments on Bilibili’s thriving, personality-rich video community and platform scale.
• Favorite home automation is simple, valuable notifications—like “the garage door is open”—not complexity for its own sake.

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[151:00+] Artemis 2 Real-time Milestones

• Host team tracks Artemis 2’s journey live:
  • Features speed/distance trivia, website exploration, excitement over the lunar flyby, and spontaneous celebrations as the spacecraft crosses the “closer to the moon than to Earth” milestone during the show.

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Tone & Style

• The show maintains its signature irreverence, deep technical dives, lived-experience anecdotes, and a not-quite-safe-for-corporate level of authenticity.
• “Good News April” brings an upbeat (if at times sardonic) vibe, with the hosts frequently expressing relief that they’re not mired in negativity this week.

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Moments Not to Miss (Timestamps)

• [04:05] — Breakdown of distros in Steam Linux surge.
• [05:44] — Steam Deck critical mass & game devs' Linux support.
• [09:10] — Reframing Linux as a “console.”
• [32:23] — “Complete collapse” of DDR5 RAM pricing, tied to Google TurboQuant
• [89:19] — TurboQuant technical explanation.
• [119:02] — Artemis 2 launch, lunar flyby, and why “getting back to the moon is hard.”
• [123:46] — The Artemis 2 “Outlook” quote.
• [126:12] — Linus on inspiration from space travel.
• [142:11] — Neuralink patient plays WoW hands-free.
• [151:00+] — “Crossed the midpoint” live as Artemis 2 gets closer to the moon than Earth.
• [158:26] — “Good news, but angry”—Windows Search.
• [205:10] — Transparency and philosophy on LTT’s GamerJet.
• [228:03] — Turning “repairable” from gimmick to practical.

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Final Thoughts

Summary:
This WAN Show is a prime example of why Linus Tech Tips is more than a YouTube channel—it’s a living, messy, and often inspiring forum for real tech talk. The mixture of upbeat news (Linux and RAM on the rise, Artemis to the moon), hands-on troubleshooting, community Q&A, and a core focus on fun keeps it vibrant and relevant.

For first-time listeners:
You'll walk away with insight into market and technology shifts (AI, RAM, operating systems), host perspectives on broader industry trends, and even the existential value of striving for human achievement—set to the backdrop of Artemis 2 streaking across the void.

Closing Vibe:
“Same bat-time, different channel. That’s right. You got to go to the WAN Show channel now.” — [268:53]
The WAN Show rides the wave of good news—reminding us that tech is about possibility, community, and sometimes just a little bit of joy.

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Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, it's gonna be a rough one. Despite it being a good news turbulent show. Oh my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. It is officially the first week of Good News April. So with some exceptions, it's all good news all the time on the WAN show. And we're starting with the Steam survey saying that Linux is up by over double its previous market share. Now that might be. Well, yeah, we'll have to get into a little bit more detail, but. Hey, hey, hold on a second. In other fantabulous ler Spectacular News, DDR5 pricing in China seems to be facing a. This is a quote, complete collapse due to changes in the market. Is this finally some good news for gamers who just want a little bit more memory?

[Linus Sebastian]

Can we build computers again?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would be cool.

[Dan Bessler]

I'd be so down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd be super down. What else we got?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. Oh yeah. I'm definitely prepared for this. Not only are RAM prices dropping because of a particular reason, but also Google. Google's TurboQuant AI compression algorithm can reportedly reduce LLM inference memory usage by like six times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, to like 1/6.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which is crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A six times reduction or a 1/6th non reduction. Yeah, pick one more quick professional show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Artemis 2.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. You're such a space geek. I can't believe we haven't talked about this yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a few topics relating to that, so I'm just gonna say that in general, yeah, Artemis. My favorite one is Outlook.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? Where did this come from?

[Linus Sebastian]

I have a little rabbit hat. Linus is so short.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The show is brought to you today by dbrand, Odoo, Squarespace and. Good lord, I missed the last one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Proton nail alongside. Sorry. Our chair partner, Razer, our laptop partner, also Razer and our rap partner, dbrand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who made that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was probably Noki.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Had to have been Noki.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's crazy. That was. That was some Art.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had no idea that was coming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was art. All right, why don't we jump right into our headline topic, which is of course the Steam survey. So here, let's, let's, let's fire it up here. And I just want to, I just want to open by saying that over one month ago, three people started a Linux challenge. Here we are just over one month later and Linux market share has jumped. Where's the bloody operating system part?

[Dan Bessler]

There it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Dan Bessler]

Operating system.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, not OS version. Good Lord. I haven't actually played with this in a while.

[Dan Bessler]

Click for more info.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's the damn thing? Here we go. Linux market share has jumped by 3.1% to 5.33, with Arch, by the way, leading the way, Mint in second place, Ubuntu in third, Mint again in fourth, Ubuntu again in fifth, and Manjaro bringing up the rear, which is Arch derivative.

[Linus Sebastian]

So a few of those could kind of condense in a little bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's talk about the real reasons, because obviously it's not because we're doing the Linux challenge that something like this might have happened. Okay, one, maybe some sampling bias. The Steam hardware survey is not a complete capture every month of every system with Steam installed on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It also apparently I'm reading on Pharonix.com yeah, and if we, if we tune in here a little bit, you can see that it was dropping actually Steam on Linux and the 2025, around 3.5% dipped in January, dipped in February, and then kind of like slammed back up. And that might be where that sampling bias is from or something like that. I'm not really sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

However.

[Linus Sebastian]

However, overall though, it's up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Overall though, it seems like the trajectory we're on marching forward is pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

And 5.33%, that's pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Those are real numbers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's like a user base that you care about now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I mean, look, it's not massive, but it's pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I talked about this back when Valve launched the Steam deck is I went like, look, if they sell enough of these things, game developers will simply not be able to afford to ignore it. And man, does it. Is it starting to feel like the critical mass is there. Like there are certain game devs that have just come out and said, we will never support Linux just because of kernel level Anti Cheat is essential to our business model and our way of life and therefore it is simply never going to happen. And you know what? There's going to be a lot of platforms that they can continue to develop for Windows, they can continue to develop for console. I actually, I don't know the status of Anti cheat on macOS like legitimately.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just, I don't, I don't know either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyone know anything about that?

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you know is Arc Raiders works on Linux? I just keep running into games. Like last week on the show it was brought up that I was thinking like, well I'm going to need a Windows VM or something to play Horizon when it comes out. Forza Horizon. And then chat was like no, you're fine dude. And then I, somebody, one of my buddies messaged me and was like, hey man, we should play Arc Raiders again. And I was like, yeah, I don't know, doing this Linux challenge thing, give me a sec. And I looked it up Platinum. It's like, oh, okay, nevermind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if I've talked about this on WAN show, but I wrote a big chunk about it in my notes for Elijah for the upcoming parts of Linux Challenge. We know we owe you guys some videos on that. We have all been using Linux and we've all been making notes.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm still on there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But one of the things that I wrote was that I think a huge part of the hurdle for people is

[Dan Bessler]

that

[Luke Lafreniere]

they have in their minds that Linux is replacing Windows for them. And in a lot of ways it is because it's fulfilling a similar role in their life. But hear me out. What if there could be a change in perspective or a change in mindset where instead of thinking about Linux as a replacement for Windows, we think about it as, as more of like an appliance, more of like a console. From a gaming standpoint. From a gaming standpoint, right, because that's the perspective of the Linux challenge is like as a gamer, can I switch to Linux? And if you alter your perspective in that way, all of a sudden you stop thinking what are the Windows games I can't play? What are the PC games that my PC can't play? And you start thinking more like an Xbox or a PlayStation gamer from back before everything was cross platform or whatever. You kind of go okay. Rather than these are the PC games I can't play, these are the Linux games that are available for my console. I run a Linux console. And to be clear, cross platform is a very good thing. It's a good thing for consumers. Greater compatibility is a good thing for consumers. I'll always support both of those things. But, but if you're looking to make a change when full, complete cross Compatibility of every software forever doesn't yet exist. If you could just flip that little switch in your brain, do you think way more people could just make the shift?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think so. I think for some people there's like killer apps. I think killer apps are actually more important than people realize. Like, I think Halo being really good was like why Xbox mattered. And then Halo not being very good anymore is why in a lot of cases, Xbox doesn't matter anymore. So if your killer app is compatible, then it's probably fine. Like, I was really surprised to see the Arc Raiders was totally chill. But there are shooters out there. You know, if you're into Counter Strike, that also works, but I don't think Valorant does. So if you're into Valorant, like, this console is not going to be one that you would want. Right? So same argument. It's completely fine, but it's just. It's just not going to work for you. I think that argument is fine. It just. Yeah, like I said, you fall back on the killer app thing. Yeah, I mean, and I think, I mean if. If my experience is anything to go by, you might be surprised. Your. Your stuff might work just fine because even your, Your. Your game might have anti cheat and it might just not be kernel level and thus be fine. Like there is a lot of anti cheat stuff that works on Linux. It's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna say something kind of toxic Linux neckbeard here. Yes, killer apps are totally a thing and I get that. But from a gaming standpoint, do you really need to play that game?

[Linus Sebastian]

This is interesting because I suspect if we go back a decent amount of WAN shows. I think you've said the opposite in the past, but you've been probably interested and enjoying your Linux experience enough that you've been slipping.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now, you know, I wrote a couple paragraphs about this as well. It's less that I'm enjoying Linux so much and it's more that I know where you're going.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I totally agree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Microsoft is actively pushing me away.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, and Microsoft is actively pushing me away. And the Linux experience has gotten so much better since the last time we tried it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's still a lot of friction. For me anyway, I'm experiencing. Actively experiencing friction on Linux daily still.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had to a little bit this past week, but it was solvable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I was shooting an AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade earlier this week and it was actually for one of our members of the business team, Sven. He lives in the coolest mom's basement of all time. Seriously. Like, at one point in the video, I'm just like, dude, our audience is gonna hate you. And he's like, why? I'm like, because you have so much cool shit. Like, seriously, it is like, the best. It's so cool. And he even has a girlfriend. He's got his crt, all his modern consoles, all his vinyls, all his collectibles. A girl. Like, he's living his best life. And I think people are just gonna. I don't think people can handle it right now. Anyway, so you guys should watch the video. Cause Sven's energy is. He's just kind of like, low key. Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, he's dope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we had a really great time shooting together. But where was I going with this? Right? So we swapped out his motherboard and CPU because the series is obviously sponsored by AMD. It's AMD ultimate tech upgrade. So we threw a 9800x3D in there to go with his. He didn't upgrade his gpu, but, like, that's fine. You could still get some more FPS. And we went to fire up the machine so we could just get some B roll of him gaming, vibing and enjoying his new system. And Microsoft, it did the thing where it's like, your PIN is not available right now. What are you talking about? What does that even mean? Like, imagine it. Imagine I roll up at the bank, okay? I'm at the Costco. I don't have a MasterCard. I pull up my debit card, which is my last resort, cut my life into pieces, and I put it in the machine. It goes, sorry, sir, your pin's not available right now. What the does that mean? That doesn't mean anything. So. So we. So we're going through this and we have to, like. We had to switch which network adapter we were plugged into so we could get an Internet connection so that he could log into his Microsoft account with his actual password and then do his two fa and then put his PIN in. It's like, bro, this is my computer. I'm trying to use it. You know, get out of my way. And Microsoft just can't. Yeah, they can't help it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like, so the. The thing that. I ran into this actually, before we forget, I want to jump back to this on Pharonix again.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

They pointed out that part of the jump appears to be because Valve corrected for Steam China numbers, so simplified Chinese went down by 31.85%. And then that shifted a lot of other things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because of those users being removed from the survey and that I guess indirectly resulted in Linux numbers jumping.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So pirated Windows is more popular than not. Pirated Windows is what I'm reading here because if you take out a market that, I mean, we all know software piracy in China kind of a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huge. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All of a sudden the appeal of Windows goes way down when you go to the more western markets where piracy might not be quite as rampant.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wonder like, is. Is Steam Deck significantly more popular in Western countries?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I could see that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Non. Not China.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Basically a Steam Deck, at least at the beginning, was not your only computer. Right. Like it's a, It's a superfluous. It's a, It's a, It's a luxury purchase.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In. Even though it's a. It. Look, I've talked extensively about this in the past. It is a heck of a machine for the price that Valve managed to do it at like serious kudos to them for making it so accessible. But it is a luxury purchase. Its sole reason for existing was to play games on a teeny tiny little screen. And so if I lived somewhere that I didn't have Western income, then it would be less likely for me to buy something like that versus like the one computer that I probably already have. So yeah, no, I could see the Steam Deck being less popular. I don't also don't know if it launched in China at the beginning.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have no idea. No idea. But yeah, it's interesting. Now back to the Linux challenge stuff. I had an experience where we were kind of talking about this a little bit earlier, but both of my hard

[Luke Lafreniere]

drives never is the answer. It has never had an official direct release in mainland China.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So regardless of its status as a luxury purchase or not, it just doesn't exist there. So it's probably not contributing to the numbers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At all. Okay, cool. Carry on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, both of my hard drives are dying. I had some indication that this might have been, you know, starting a while ago, the hard drive started to get a little bit louder, but it wasn't that bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then within the last week, cries of pain started happening. I was like explaining to Emma that I had to buy annoyingly expensive hard drives. And I was like complaining about it and she was like, well, do you like have to right now? And I was like, here, come with me. And then I walked over to my computer just like, listen, just listen. Almost nothing's even happening right now. And just listen. And she's like, oh yeah, you need those like now. She doesn't even know anything about computers. And she's like, there's just no way. That's right. It sounds like there's a tiny hammer in my computer. It's just not good. Nice. And part of that process was that I started moving a bunch of data around because I'm like, okay, well, you know, I don't have like super mission critical stuff on here. It's mostly a game drive and then a like dump drive that I just do random tasks on. But there are things on here that would kind of suck to lose. So let's, let's make sure I shuffle stuff around. And, and if these do die before the new drives come in, or if they died during a data transfer to the new drives or whatever, I'm going to feel less bad about it. And in doing that, I wanted to format one of the drives because I have also read. So up until now, I have kept my game drive exactly as it was when I was on Windows, meaning my game drive was ntfs. But I have read that Proton struggles with NTFS a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've read that too.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I was like, okay, um, I, I don't actually know how to pronounce it. Some people have laughed at me pronouncing it this way. But my, my OS is. Is drive is butterfs. Btrfs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've heard it called butterfs. Is that wrong?

[Linus Sebastian]

You might have heard that from me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've heard betterfs as well. But that seems probably.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just thought it was funny nickname. But I'm using butterfs, whatever that thing is my OS drive. But I was, I was looking into some stuff, trying to learn some things and it sounded like for a, for a game drive they don't necessarily care that much about like rollbacks and stuff. On like the reasons why I wanted to do it for my operating system drive, it's less important. So I went the ext4 and trying to do that was pretty annoying. I'm just gonna be honest. The process was pretty annoying. Even like I did a huge transfer off of one of the drives to another and I just copy and pasted in the gui. And then I, I noticed just like visually that like I don't think all the files are there. And then I did some diving and like a ton of the files didn't get transferred. And I started looking into it and the, the predominant answer was like, why are you using a GUI for this? I'm like, bruh, it's copy and pasting files. Like, come on it. Like, I can imagine there being like cooler better ways, but Like, I shouldn't have to, like, command line rsync to just copy and paste some folders from one drive to another.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then I went through that and like, I don't love that experience, but it's fine. I can do it. I just, I shouldn't have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's funny, I actually cheated during the Linux challenge because I had to transfer some files and they were coming off of an SD card that was just in a random device. It was in a tentacle sink, an audio recorder, and my Linux laptop when I was on vacation. Like, absolutely diarrhea all over itself. Trying to read and copy it. Like, it was really scary. Not only, like, didn't work to copy it, but it, like, told me it was corrupted. Oh, and it 100% wasn't. I put it in Yvonne's laptop, her Windows laptop, and it just immediately worked. And I was able to upload it to drive. And I suspect it's down to the. The file system that was on.

[Linus Sebastian]

It definitely could be. And I had that same suspicion as well. And then I tried command line rsync. It also didn't work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, same thing happened. Certain files didn't get transferred.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, this is something that I've always found and okay, I'm probably gonna reveal some sort of horrible ignorance that people will mock me for, but hey, it's the WAN show baby. This is something that I have never really understood. Why is doing it through a GUI different for something like file copies? Why does it not just do the exact same thing behind the gui? Why does it matter if I drag them like this or I typed a thing like this?

[Linus Sebastian]

It was, I'm just going to address chat really quick. It wasn't file ownership permissions. I think it was just erroring often. I think maybe due to something with ntfs. I'm getting into areas that I don't understand. But the way that I was able to solve it was I, instead of transferring the entire drive at once, I went through and did one major folder at a time. Yeah, gui, and it worked fine. I just had to, like, kind of baby it. And then, and then I got everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It just kind of sucked. I couldn't do the whole thing at once. But, yeah, why? I mean, I can understand there's a lot of little options and tweaks and things like rsync has a lot of control, sure, how you want to do the transfer and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then, like, shouldn't it probably assume.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you want it to ignore certain errors? Do you want it not to shouldn't

[Luke Lafreniere]

it probably assume the way I want it to do the transfer is to get the files from here to there for the most part,

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I was pretty surprised by that problem. I do, I do suspect it's just like Linux not playing nice with NTFS.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then once the drive was on ext 4, I did not have similar problems.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I haven't used it extensively yet, but I suspect it's just like, okay, I'm trying to bring my Windows drives around with me still. And my, my initial very light amount of research being like, can I just leave everything how it was on Windows?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Was like the answer was yes. And clearly it worked for over a month. Yeah, it is kind of yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's more yes asterisk. There might be some problems.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. Temporarily, yes. Kind of like when I downloaded that, that beta build of Bazlite with the Steam Deck experience for Nvidia where it was like, yes, but it probably should have had a much larger asterisk and it does now. So no one will make the same mistake that I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

Isaac Fig Newton says, even within Windows, I only do parts of libraries at a time. The file transfer F's up all the time. I don't have that experience, to be completely honest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It depends.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know it's like a thing that can happen, but I have not ran into this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The slower your device and I mean both the storage and compute, the more chance that it will just like trip over itself and bung itself up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Windows Explorer is not the most stable piece of software on the face of the earth. I think that's a non controversial take, so I can totally see that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I have to give it credit of. Once I finished the whole process, which was pretty annoying, but once I finished the whole process and got it onto ext 4, then everything seemed to be fine. But you said your drives were dying. Definitely could have contributed to the errors. Yeah, I would have liked it to have been handled better though. Like for. To. To. I might have missed something. I don't know. I think what happened that was such

[Luke Lafreniere]

a good KAREN line. I'm gonna use that someday.

[Linus Sebastian]

I might have missed something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would have liked for it to have been handled better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, but, but, but I mean by that is like when I did the file transfer thing, if, if it did error, if there was problems, it should just tell me. Yeah, I did the transfer, But I missed 100,000 files because that's like the magnitude to which it was off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You missed a hundred Thousand of the shots you didn't take.

[Linus Sebastian]

And if, if it could tell me like hey, these folders got transferred fine. These like top level folders got transferred fine. That would have been nice to know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder if the same developer went to work on Apple's transfer to. I.

[Linus Sebastian]

It just misses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did I ever show you the screenshots from that that I got where it was? It's like 40,000 files and it transferred like two dozen or something like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why did you even try at that point you should have just not bothered.

[Linus Sebastian]

But. But yeah, so I think, I think using. I even heard from people who are like hyper Linux pills and been using linux for freaking 20 years and I asked them about the NTFS thing and they're like yeah, I mean it's probably fine. But they haven't used it because why would they?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's something that is easy for super Linux pilled people to miss is that there's a lot of things that. It's the curse of knowledge. Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That they know and intuitively do that is best practice on Linux. And that someone did a workaround just in case you don't do it that way. But it hasn't been validated. It hasn't been tested across every distro. It hasn't been tested across every desktop environment. It hasn't been tested across every dumb user. Sorry, I should have pointed at myself.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean it counts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what I'm doing. And it hasn't been tested across every hardware config. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I even think I have a. Okay. Tinfoil hat fully on. Yeah, my drives were dying already. Yeah, I think the Linux challenge accelerated it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting because. Yeah. Why would both die at the same time?

[Linus Sebastian]

Both started dying but the games drive is the main one having problems. But both have bad sectors. But the games drive has like four times the bad sector as the other one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like would anything about your. Would anything about your file system being not Linux compatible make it thrash more?

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's the thing is, apparently Proton doesn't play nice with ntfs and it's the games drive that is suffering more than the other one now the games drive just gets more use and always did. Yeah, because I don't know how fair this is. I could, I could just be completely gamer folks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's a gamer, ladies and gentlemen.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I. There's like, you know, slay the Spire two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's a smaller slower game. So okay. That can be installed on my hard drive. Games drive that's Been open a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right, right, right, right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So has Proton been thrashing more because it doesn't play nice with NTFs?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Literally don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have literally no idea, but I haven't have a thought. Have you pulled the smart data? I have. I haven't dove really deep into it. I just know that there are bad sectors. The Linux NTFS driver is reverse engineered and barely works. The stuff Proton tries to do with it will 100% cause file system corruption.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Says on a hikage.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that was not when I did my not enough research and I'm accepting that I basically googled can I. Can I keep my Windows NTFS drive on Linux to play games? And it was like, yeah, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you know what's really funny is because as much as I got for settling on POP OS after googling it and asking an LLC LLM, I actually did find that. I knew that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is why I did a completely fresh install on every single one of my systems and didn't try to keep any of my games drives. Yeah, yeah. Even though I do have one.

[Linus Sebastian]

And to be clear, I was just

[Luke Lafreniere]

like, I'm not going to use this because. And oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Except when it wasn't for a month. How much did it cost you?

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe a drive? Well, no, the drives were already going down. The drives already had bad sectors. It was like, I just didn't think it was quite time to replace them yet. They're really big drives, so them having a few bad sectors is like not the end of the world. It might have accelerated it. I was gonna have to replace them anyways. And like it did function. So they were right about it functioning.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, I don't know. Also another thing that I did this week, I talked about how, I talked about how I might want to do this. I removed my desktop environment and installed a new one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I came across a funny thread somewhere. I forget why I was even reading about this, but it was like, can we stop calling them distros? A distro is just, you know, the desktop environment and it's this and it's a package manager and it's this and it's this and they're all, they're all interchangeable anyway and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay, okay, okay, Captain Pedantic. I mean, you want to go, you want to go full pedant, then you kind of have to come full circle around to, you know, what even is the Linux operating system. It's a desktop environment and A package manager. It's all these things. So, like, you wouldn't have. You can't just call the Linux kernel the Linux operating system. In order to be an operating system, it has to. To like, it has to have all these things. So. No. Uno, reverse.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that true? It doesn't need a desktop environment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, it doesn't need a desktop environment.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is where the. Does it need a package stuff comes in. No, it doesn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it doesn't. Okay, hold on. What does it need? It's going to need something.

[Linus Sebastian]

So now we're coming all the way back around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, defeated.

[Linus Sebastian]

Amazing. But yeah, that. It's funny because, like, fighting through NTFS was really annoying.

[Dan Bessler]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then I came out on the other end and I haven't used my computer since. I did that enough to like, really know, but it seems like it's actually a lot better in a few ways. And now my hard drive is just, like, dead. But, oh, well, it was already dying. It is what it is. Replacing my entire desktop environment was so easy. I was actually just, like, stunned. It was wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I know uninstalling it is easy. You could do that without even meaning to do it at all. I mean, maybe you're not that good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's. That's fair. So I replaced. I got rid of Cinnamon and it's like, gone. I completely removed it. Yeah, I kept Hyperland, but I'm not actively really using it. And I installed kde and I am now even more strongly of the opinion that if you just want your thing to be smooth and to work, you should probably install Mint and Cinnamon. KDE is sick. And I'm happy it's on my desktop and I think I'm also happy it's not on my laptop. Mint and Cinnamon is just such. I'm like, not surprised. It's interesting because it doesn't really get talked about that much. Like, if you look into the. What should I run right now on computers? Everybody is going, yes, screw you, Dan. Everybody is going to, oh, run like Bazite or Cashy and run, you know, KDE on top of them. And. And then we look at the STEAM hardware survey and like, a lot of it's Mint.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. And Arch.

[Linus Sebastian]

Arch is up there and Arch is Cashy and steamos, which is where a ton of that is coming from. But I think just the, like, ease, man. Like, there. There's things. I really have enjoyed KDE so far. It feels like the correct choice on my laptop. It feels like the correct choice to go along with cache. Sorry. Correct choice on my desktop. It feels like the correct choice to go on with Cashy. The things that I'm trying to do on my desktop. KDE has been fantastic. I really like the experience but like it doesn't feel like the. If you want. It depends on what you're min maxing for. If you're min maxing for less problems. You just kind of want things to work. You want the tools to just kind of be there. You want it to feel like what you're used to. And you come from Windows. Mint and Cinnamon is just a fantastic combo. It's honestly just amazing. My laptop never has any problems. It is completely rock solid. Heart touching. It's amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why don't we talk about some other amazing news? Sure. It's all good news this week.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How about.

[Linus Sebastian]

And KDE's base. It's just they're. They're more bleeding edge, they're more performance pushing, all that kind of stuff. And that comes with some fairly minor problems. Ones that I'm happy to deal with on my desktop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yeah, how about some good news for consumers who might have been looking to build or upgrade a PC? Want to talk about that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

DDR5 pricing in China faces. This is a. This is a quote from. I think it's WCCF Tech said this faces a complete collapse with shifting markets.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This has mainly seemed to have been triggered by the release of Google's TurboQuant. Really the timing doesn't look like a coincidence. However. I actually recorded a whole LTT video yesterday that was just like a. It was kind of a spur of the moment. I have some thoughts on this where I, I look at sort of a longer term trend that we can trace back to like all the way back to about mid to 3/4 of the way through last year of the bubble kind of already starting to unravel. To mix my metaphors up a little bit, I think that Turboquant kind of like when Deep Seek landed is just. It's really headline grabbing and it's. And it's taken the fears that are already in the backs of memory manufacturer of memory suppliers minds about like whether this whole thing is actually really going to just go to the moon forever, Artemis style. And it has caused. It has taken that fear and brought it to the front of the mind and turned it into panic a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

I, I thought and like I don't know but I, I thought it was the Sam Altman comments, them not following through on their rampage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well they Happened right around the same time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it's like, it's. I. It's like a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Definitely a combo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. It's definitely a combo. Taiwan outlet UDN reports that RAM prices in China have dropped more than 30% and there are even some signs that prices are dropping in the US as well. As part of the video that I was working on yesterday. Here we go. Okay, look, is it back to normal yet? No, but guys don't bite a progress gift horse in the mouth. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I do worry a little bit. That's going to be kind of like the GPU situation where the price went up and then they were just like, meh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, here's the thing though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think people are actually just not buying stuff right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

GPUs are effectively a monopoly. Nvidia just decides how much a certain amount of FPS costs. And then amd and to a lesser extent, Intel. I actually really respect what intel has done and how scrappy they've been trying to make ARC Battlemage appealing and make it make sense for gamers at a reasonable budget, but AMD certainly basically just goes, oh yeah, oh yes, yes, Nvidia, thank you for determining what GPUs are worth in the market. Yes, sir. And they just kind of price their GPUs in lockstep with Nvidia, whereas RAM has actual competition to a degree. Have there been some price fixing scandals over the years? Yes, but at the end of the day, are all of the major players building out large fabs with huge capacity that have to run and therefore are commodified effectively, meaning that if demand drops, pricing will drop also? Yes. RAM is a commodity still. There is competition still. And so in the exact same way that we've seen it spike before, I think we will absolutely see it crash again. There's no question whatsoever.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's good to hear.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And as part of the video yesterday, I was also looking at a couple of other regions. I looked at Canada. Canada actually started dipping a little bit before the States. Germany has started dipping as well. So I. I didn't look too far beyond that because I kind of went, okay, well, China, Germany, Canada, us. That gets me around the world.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Clearly this isn't just one retailer running a promo at that point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

None of this means that the shortage is over. None of this means that pricing is going to immediately go back to where it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

There has objectively been an UPT data center spending on hardware that will impact pricing to a certain degree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. And the AI build out is not going to stop. Yeah, but one of the things I get into in the video is how I think that it won't necessarily just continue to flywheel completely out of control because it seems like the bean counters are finally kind of going, hold on a second. How many beans are left? Can we really afford to trade all of our beans for computer memory? And I for one, am extremely excited for five years from now when all of these data centers are out of date and make absolutely no sense to keep running with energy pricing being what it is. And I can get like a couple cool AI cards and put them in like, Smash Champs for like, cool computer vision.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, some of those AI cards are weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But I mean, they should do AI, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if they're gonna slot into your desktop computer, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't. It doesn't need to be a different computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, look, they're gonna be dismantling these things. Who's gonna take them?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that'll be really interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, man, that's another. That's another video.

[Linus Sebastian]

I want to make a format of those GPUs that are like a tower.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is that called? Oh, for crying out loud. I forget what it's called. We saw it on the recent Nvidia data center tour. Yeah, someone. Someone tell me what they're called. SM something. Sxm. Sxm.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sxm. Yeah, those cards. Like,

[Luke Lafreniere]

but here's the thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so did I talk on WAN show already? I can never tell the difference between when I talked about something on WAN show and when I did a video scrum and laid out an outline for a topic. Sure. So stop me if I've talked about this before, but a major tragedy right now is the way that data center hardware no longer trickles down to consumers how it used to. Like, remember how buying a couple generation old Xeon was like the hack to getting sick a sick gaming desktop? What am I looking at here? Was this an adapter?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yes, that's a thing. All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm a little more excited about the future now. That's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did. Okay, Did I talk about this already? Okay, I talked about this already. But one of the things that will happen, because it has to go somewhere like these, these giant just money is no object data centers full of tens and tens and tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of GPUs. Like, it's not like they're just going to, you know, grind them up to make their bread. Like they're going to do something with them. And so I, I think home lab is going to have an absolute like revolution in five years.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, an SXM to PCIe adapted data center card in my house. Sounds freaking sweet. Yeah, that sounds awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

Why only one and the ram? It sounds like fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tinker oh, well, the space.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The RAM will be salvageable. The RAM will be salvageable. I bet you could liquid cool it so you don't have to deal with the noise because these things are like up to like 800 or even more watts or whatever.

[Dan Bessler]

They're insane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, they're crazy. Mr. Oh, Mutt says Wendell's gonna buy it all. I don't know, man. Wendell, Wendell's, Wendell's pretty, he likes to be on the cutting edge. I think he might just have the newer stuff at that point. Mineral oil cooling would be super cool. JOHN br. But yeah, I'm, I'm, it's a lot

[Linus Sebastian]

of wattage to mineral cool. It's, it's excited.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm super excited and I think it's, I think it's, I think it's happening. I, and yeah, well, I think we're starting to, I'm really glad because I've taken kind of a, this is temporary stance on this and I've kind of taken some flack for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought it was going to take longer than this, I think. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why aren't you advocating for consumers more? Why don't you see Micron pulling out of the consumer market as like this terrible, terrible, terrible thing? And I guess it's just because I've been through so many cycles like ram, RAM is like this, man. It's always up and down and up and down. And this time it was, it was, it was like a big cycle like this was. And, and it really, it happened really suddenly. Maybe that's, and, and it was a really awful timing, like right in the holiday season, man. Like it just, there were so many things about it that just sucked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I, at the same time though, like, I don't know, I, I do think it's a signal. I am very hopeful. All that kind of stuff. But like if we look at, people have been talking about Micron's stock price.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But if we look at Micron, they're, they're, they're, they're one year, yeah. 392% year to date, 16% six months, 94%.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But tulip mania happened over a span of half a decade, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Over the last month they're only 3

[Luke Lafreniere]

1/2% down these things. Okay, but, but, but remember once. Once tulips started to fall.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I hear you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, here, here. This, this screenshot. This screenshot is actually,

[Linus Sebastian]

I just don't. I'm not 100% convinced it's happening right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This screenshot is in. Is in the video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tulip bulbs, 1699 Canadian. Once they started to crash, once the house of cards starts to collapse, it happened. It can happen really fast. Apparently this didn't make it into the video because I just read it last night, but just because a company is not a public company doesn't mean that shares can't be traded. And apparently this is scuttlebutt, but apparently OpenAI shares are becoming quite illiquid, quite difficult to sell. And one of the things that I kind of lay out is that I see OpenAI as a very Dropbox like character in this new version of the same movie we've watched over and over and over again. Dropbox was a first mover and a huge name in cloud storage in the early days of the cloud, back when. Back when that was the stupid keyword du jour that you couldn't see a slideshow without having it plastered all over everything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And what they did was the classic Silicon Valley playbook. They got a bunch of money, they used it to acquire an enormous user base, and they focused on one admittedly super cool and innovative thing. And then they tried to convert that user base to a paid user base. It didn't go too great. And then the incumbents, the big players, ultimately ate their lunch. And I mean, show of hands, who has the Dropbox app installed on their computer or phone? Anyone?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think your hand can be up because we use it for scripts or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right, Bueller? Not anymore. Oh, Dan. Dan apparently has Drop. You still use Dropbox?

[Dan Bessler]

I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do you like about it?

[Dan Bessler]

I used to use it more before

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had the nas Got him.

[Dan Bessler]

The internal sync was great. I don't know, it's just. It's just good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Quality product.

[Dan Bessler]

It's just fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nothing wrong with it.

[Dan Bessler]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But there's also no question that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pay for it.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apple and Google and Microsoft have overall won that war. And So I see OpenAI as being in a very similar kind of position where they were a first mover, a very early mover, a big innovator, great brand presence, huge user base. But are they really going to take that and go from losing billions and billions of dollars a quarter to making billions and billions of dollars a quarter? Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or is it going to be Google.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dropbox is not that cheap. No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, because it isn't. Right. It never was. It was always. The whole thing was always fake. It was always v. Subsidizing you to have it for cheap so that you could get locked in later. It's. It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whether it's Dropbox or Uber or freaking Adobe. Well, actually, no, in that case, it was just Adobe's giant boatloads of money from selling expensive software that they converted into even giant. Or boatloads of money from selling subscriptions. That was a different model. Slightly different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Discord is another example from Pankratz in the chat. So because of, because of all of these, this really does. The video does, I admit, have a little bit of like string on a bulletin board energy. But I'm just seeing a lot of signals and there are signals the other way. Like Nvidia is only down a little. Yeah, Google's only down a little. Right. And I point out these things, like there are ones that are. That, you know, their stock prices is not impacted in any way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nvidia's. I guess they're down okay.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Relatively not the last five days, but over the last six months. One month. Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Compared to like Oracle. And then there was another one that I. That I was using as kind of like a proxy for AI companies as well. And, and, but the difference is that the companies that are only down a little have real revenue.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like real businesses other than just like rah rah rah AI. What if you gen. What if you put AI in your video so that you could make video with AI? And what if you did AI in your butt and then your butt could be intelligent. Like, like just everything's AI Just put every AI in everything. Like, it's like Nvidia has an identity other than AI and so does a company like, like Alphabet.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like I need a South park episode on butt AI.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, do you know for sure they haven't done one? I. I didn't watch the entire last season. It's. It's possible. It does seem the sort of thing they might do. We go all the way back to season one, episode one, and the aliens just put AI in his butt instead of a big satellite dish. What do you want to jump to? You know what? I'd like to take a moment and say to everyone who is upset about good news wan show month, don't worry, it's temporary. We're going to, we're going to go back to just kind of doing Everything after April, but so far it's been kind of nice. I'm actually having way more fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I'm not like angry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I really like Good News when show so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I'm, I'm. I feel happier today because we're doing Good News when show. Want to pick something?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you feel more excited to pick a topic?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But like I scrolled through and saw a few options I wanted to talk about and landed on one that like felt in it very in tone with what you were just saying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's the la. When's the last time that happened?

[Linus Sebastian]

Very long time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, but really.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I'm not even. I'm not even using a cop out and talking about Artemis. Think about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I found another topic that sounds really

[Luke Lafreniere]

fun that's actually unhinged.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yeah, do it then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone made a website for scheduling play sessions to revive old multiplayer games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Called Game Date.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

This. I. This isn't necessarily new, but I don't think we've talked about on Wednesday before YouTuber Batty Batty built game date. I think it's just YouTuber Batty B A T T Y Built Game Date, a free anonymous scheduling platform for dead or under populated multiplayer games. People are already scheduling sessions for things like Unreal Tournament 2004, Battlefront 2, like the original one, I'm assuming Crisis wars and Blur. Oh, cool. Yeah. The site recently added a full discussion board with image board style features including green text quote links and a Smuggler's Den section specifically for surfacing useful info like server IPs, mods, patches, fan translations, stuff like that to like improve the experience. And that's, you know, normally buried in private discord servers, but is now easier to access. And also it looks amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Discuss.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this not so freaking cool? So cool, dude. I think that's awesome because one of the big problems with these old games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is they go in a self fulfilling death spiral where there's a few less people on every time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the server that you like jumping on, nobody's there. So you don't log on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nobody's at exactly the same level as

[Linus Sebastian]

you, so no one else logs on and then it just kind of spirals down and this way you can kind of just spark some, some fun experiences playing some old games. Because a lot of these old multiplayer games are still awesome. They just don't have the. The mass.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. The snowball.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I love that you brought up the issue with useful information being buried in a discord.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because that's from the doc, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I know, I'm. But I'm glad you brought it up because we actually, I forget who I was talking to about it in the office earlier this week, but the way that so much support and product and software information has moved into discord, it's like, hey, you like my project, Come join my discord and we talk about it. And then it just eventually gets wiped. And I was talking about how, like when, when Pankratz. Pankratz did the bulk of the work getting that old VR headset to work. The, the, the, the, the forte or whatever it was called when we did that video on it. And the only way that he was able to do that was by digging up old documentation and old discussion around it. And we're in the, we're gonna be, we're gonna be in this, like this information gap I think right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When all these, this exchange of information is happening on a platform that by its very nature will is impermanent. And then this, this.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not gonna lie, I saw this Warcraft 3 forged, Legion TD new blobby. And I was like, oh yeah. Being able to jump Into a Warcraft 3 custom game and be decently confident that like, you know, based on whatever comments or other people signing up or however this works, that other people are gonna be there. Sounds awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is so cool. I think we're gonna lose a bunch of the stream right now though, because, like, how could they not. How could they not go play? Freaking. I don't know, man. Dragon Ball fighter Z party mode 6 player 3v3 tag. Like, just how freaking social does this look like? Remember when, Remember when games weren't necessarily about maximum sweat? Yeah, yeah. And you could just like play. You could jump into a random game. People are like playing jackbox and stuff, like, just mingling, having a life, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Feels really cool to use.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just feels awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's delightfully retro.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

Steam 2004, if I remember correctly. Something like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's definitely the vibe that I'm feeling for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really cool. And there's a decent amount. I would really highly encourage people to at least check this out. There's a decent amount of like game date sessions on here that don't have a ton of signups yet, but they look for like, really cool games. So maybe, maybe jump on and go have some fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you guys should, you should go check it out because what do you have to Lose. Just do something different. Do something new, man. I feel like between doom scrolling on my phone or being locked in on just that one game I play, I feel like the variety in my life was kind of reduced for a bit. Oh, yeah, that's. That's one of the reasons that I. When I was on vacation recently, I had one day before we went to South Korea with the family, and then I had two days when I got back to. For me to be on vacation. And so on the day before I left, I ordered a bunch of parts for that RC car that I've wanted to fix. And then when I got back, I was just like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna like fix this. I'm gonna fix this RC car, dude. I. I refilled my shocks earlier this week and it turns out that oil filled shocks should definitely have oil in them. Yeah, I didn't know it was just all completely gone. Yeah, it was just completely empty. And it's one of those things that changes so slowly that you press on them and you go. I mean, yeah, the springs are on there. That's a shock, right? And I don't have a ton of context for it. I don't have a whole bunch of RC cars. I don't go out to the track and compare with other people. It seems like it has shocks. So. No, it turns out that's why my skid plates kept breaking on the front was because I effectively didn't have any flipping. I didn't have any damping on the shocks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right? Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So one of. One of the four leaks. But that's half the fun. I'm gonna open it back up. I'm gonna put better grease on the O ring and then I'm gonna seal it back up and. And I'm gonna take it. And the ones that I have, it's for the Arma Granite 4x4 Mega 550 or something like that. The point is, I'm just, I'm just. For the RC nerds that are like, they probably did it wrong. They're known to be bad. The shocks are like, known to be leaky and bad. So at the same time as I ordered new fluid and like did the rebuild on all of these ones, I actually have new shocks in the mail. But it wasn't about that. It was about just doing something flipping different.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Moving on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Oh, this Dan has a thing. Oh yeah. You were, you were actually excited to talk about something.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so we got like, dude, it's like this wan show Feels new again. I'm enjoying it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what people think. And it'll be interesting. Like, maybe we can retain at least part of this past April.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, maybe we could have a. Maybe we could.

[Linus Sebastian]

Minimum amount of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, the topic diversity quota.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. All right, we'll call it the. No, no. I was trying to think of something that would, like, be DEI or something like the DEI Wan show. Yeah, neither of us would. Would be hosting it, though, I suppose. Well, yeah. I mean, what? Him? You got to be kidding me.

[Linus Sebastian]

We.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Another white dude with a beard.

[Linus Sebastian]

We have the beard quota.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry. All right, we're doing great. This week. We launched the not a bug T shirt. This is what happens when you say not a bug. It's a feature a bit too many times. So the designers decided to make a cool graphic tee out of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's, like, textured.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's pretty sick. It's a detailed wasp, but it has, like, kind of circuitry built into it, so it ends up looking like a literal digital bug. And as always, it's printed on our classic poly blend T shirt. So it's super soft, drapes nicely, and is durable. Oh. Oh, hold on, Luke. Cam. It says non ace. What does that say? Is that not a bug? It's a what? It's Latin. I. Latin. I can't read Latin.

[Linus Sebastian]

Latin.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is that? What does that say?

[Linus Sebastian]

I sort of figured out I had context clues.

[Dan Bessler]

Terrible education in Canada.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do we say what it means on here? We just don't.

[Dan Bessler]

It's got a Latin on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, we have the. A form of the English translation. It's not a bug. It's a feature.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what the heck. Okay, sure. Yeah, fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can. You can kind of suss your way through it a little bit. The Cymex or whatever that one. I had no idea what that word was, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

34.99 USD 29.99 CAD on the global site. Get yours today, by the way. Oh, I should probably actually check a lot of people. I think this was probably our most successful April Fools since the. We sold our company to Nvidia. Like. Like really, really old one. In terms of fooling people, the number of people that were, like, super angry about us doing an ico, like, rug pull thing. Oh, really was significant. And the number of people that thought that the coin was not real was very significant. The coin is real. Linus coin is real. You just. You buy it. It's US$20 or US$30. You will.

[Linus Sebastian]

US$20 or 30 Canadian dollars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, US$20 or 30 Canadian dollars. You buy it, you get this challenge coin in the mail. It's, it's big, it's chunky, it's really cool. And then you get a credit on the store for double the value of the coin. So if you were going to buy anything in the next little bit, you should just buy the coin because you get double the value in gift card of what you spent on the coin. So it's basically free real estate.

[Dan Bessler]

I got a message earlier. Do you get to keep the coin?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The coin is just, it's just for you, for keeps, for fun. It's just, it's just a cool challenge coin. You can flip it when you want to make a decision or whatever. It's just a cool little collectible. It's one per household. But we've already sold through so many of them that I think we're down to about the last thousand. So we were, we were originally going to do 10,000, which is how many we minted ahead of time. And then like three days before, I got to give massive credit to the creator, warehouse engineering team, as well as the operations team for, for pivoting and getting this done. I was like, let's do more. So we opened up another 10,000 orders, but we're going to get those minted over the next little bit and then it'll, it'll ship when it, you know, when it ships. So we're doing 20,000, but I think we've moved through about 19,000. So if you want to get one, it's, it's a gift card. It's a discounted gift card.

[Linus Sebastian]

You get a collectible gift card.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Free collectible coin. Stephen J. Asks, is this a way for you to get an income stream to afford the jet? Most certainly not. It'll help with cash flow. But what I can tell you based on that, this has a cost to us. It's made of scrap metal. There were nuggets of truth in the April Fools video. The fact that it's made of melted down waste zinc housings from our original screwdriver supplier, that's 100% true. We got screwed over on the shafts and we got screwed over on the housings. It really blew chunks. Obviously we've done okay. We survived it. It wasn't a critical hit. But they're made of leftover remains of the orig 100,000 screwdriver order, like bungled up production. And they're, they were done by a Partner down in. Down in the States. So we jokingly refer to them as the 11th province in the video. You know, a little bit of uno reverse there. But yeah, they were. They were actually minted onshore, which I think is really cool. So they do have, like, an actual cost. And then we're taking what you guys are paying for it, and then we're giving double that in credit. So it doesn't take a mathematical genius to know that we are not making money on this part of the transaction. If you guys want the inside baseball, I can tell you that our hope is that after buying a $20 coin, or, sorry, a $40 coin for $20, you will spend more than the $40 and maybe buy something that's not on, like, mega ultra discount, you know, and load up your cart and maybe we'll make something on it. But if you were to buy the coin for $20 and then buy a $40 item, then like. No, we're. No, we're not. No, we're not. That will not help us pay for anything. That will just be. It'll be fun. It'll be for the lulz. It'll be a good time. Good times are had by all. That's about it. Oh, nice, right? If you're gonna pick up a coin or one of the new shirts or really, I mean, anything on the store. There's so much. Man, there's so much good stuff on the store these days. Oh, right. Holy crap. Have we even talked about. Oh, wait, no, we did talk about these. We talked about these last week. Okay, good. Yeah, fine. Flexible magnetic cable management. Now's a great time to do it because during the show, we do our checkout messages, and it's a great way to interact with the show. We don't want people just throwing money at their screens. Quite frankly, I think based on the video that went up the other day, it's fairly obvious that I'm, you know, I'm not gonna come to you guys, hat in hand, begging for support. We are extremely committed to making high quality products that. That can stand on their own. Right. That's why we stopped referring to it as merch. And we also don't want you just throwing your money at your screen to people who, quite frankly, should do something for you in return. So we created checkout messages, which are the way to interact with the show. All you gotta do is add an item to your cart. Oh, Luke's on it. There you go. Add an item to your cart. You'll see the interface to send a Checkout message. Boop. Yeah, I'd like to do that. You type a little message. It goes to producer Dan, who will reply to it or pop it up on the stream or will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. So why don't we go ahead and do a couple of those, and let's. Let's chat. Let's chat with y'. All.

[Dan Bessler]

I'm getting so many in right now that people have been told that the coin is not fake.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, I knew it. It was too believable.

[Dan Bessler]

Luke, it was really chill up until that point. What have you done? Okay, whatever. Hello. So many. Hello. Linus, Luke, and Dan. I'm curious. What motivated the decision to tear the tech house to studs instead of wiring in the crawl or toe boards, especially with asbestos.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that is actually why. Not gonna lie. Tech house is over budget. It's behind schedule and over budget. Classic.

[Dan Bessler]

Color me surprise.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Classic. LTT times four. But there's a number of considerations. Okay? So, first of all, me putting a hammer through the wall and discovering asbestos was obviously movie magic. We knew there was asbestos involved, and we did work with the seller on that knowledge and fully intended to. To deal with it, but we didn't know exactly how much there was, because testing for asbestos is not as simple as, like, you know, it's like getting in there and smelling it like, it's. It's not that simple. You need to take actual samples of the materials asmr, analyze them. You have to go sniff them at home or in a lab, laboratory somewhere. So we knew about the asbestos. We just didn't know the full extent of it. But what we did know for sure was that around the entire perimeter of the house, there was asbestos for days. So what we did was we started some of the demolition. So you guys saw that video. I saw a lot of speculation that Linus was not the one who actually cleared out the basement because he has lackeys for that. Unfortunately, all of my lackeys, you guys may or may not have noticed that were there that day were a solid 7 inches taller than me. I was definitely the one in the basement. Nobody else would have even fit. Anyhow, so we did the demo video, and then we hired professionals to come in and have a look at the perimeter. So they looked at the perimeter, and they looked at some of the other stuff. And what we found out was that the caulking or the goo or the glue or whatever it is that was used for the electrical wiring, okay, contained asbestos. So once we found that out, what Are we even talking about here? What. What are we gonna do? We're gonna. We're gonna cut. We're gonna cut the drywall. We're gonna follow every. Every wire and find every spot where it's got any glue on it. No, you just. You rip the drywall off, you take your l. Important to us that whoever ends up in this place, it's. We're dealing with the issues, right? Like, we're. We have a brand to protect. I have my. I have my personal reputation to protect, believe it or not, and I take that extremely seriously, especially when it comes to issues around safety. So there was no way that we were just going to, like, sweep literal asbestos under the rug. Yeah, right. Like, so once we discovered that, and they were. They had to, like, cut a bunch of the wiring in order to get it out. So once they're cutting all the electrical wiring, we got to go down to studs. So we're gonna have some updates for you guys soon. It did end up costing, like, 30. 30 plus grand or something like that for all of the removal, which. Which blows. But, hey, we're gonna. We're gonna make a lot of videos in there. And actually, going down to studs does open up some pretty exciting options that we've been talking about. Like, one of the ideas was, you know, that. Have you watched the Tech House tour video? Have you even been there yet?

[Linus Sebastian]

I have not been there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, whatever. There's this cabinet at the back of what's going to be, like, the upstairs, kind of like theater, like, TV watching area. And we were like, oh, that'd be, like, sick as, like, an equipment cabinet. Well, we didn't think about it until the drywall was off, but it's, like, right above the garage. So without doing any H vac or anything in there, we could just have, like, passive venting that just, like, dumps all the heat from there into the garage rather than. Rather than dumping it up into that already gonna be, like, a pretty warm room. And it might be kind of hard on the H vac. So just, like, little things like that will be much easier to do now that we've got the drywall off. I do fully recognize that this has all of a sudden turned into, like, a full home renovation as opposed to, like, tech makeover. So Tech House 2, okay, I'm. I'm putting my foot down. Tech House, we're not taking it down to studs. It'll be. We'll. We'll have to kind of already committing to adapt around it. Well, Honestly, I'm having so much fun already with Tech House one.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have heard through the grapevine that you're having a lot of fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been. It's cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I just find it interesting that it's, like, gotten to me, not even from you. Of people just be like, wow. Yeah. It's like he just seems, like, really, like, excited and like, he's having a good time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke, do you have any idea how much I would rather crawl around in a dirty, moldy, disgusting basement, just, like, finding little treasures and bringing them up to troll the team compared to sitting in a boardroom?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I fully understand. Trust me. Yeah. I got you. I get it. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, it's. Dude, it's. I don't know, man. It's fun. It feels. The Tech House series feels like classic ltt.

[Linus Sebastian]

I remember when I was in. It must have been like, grade five or six or something. I was in elementary school. The principal came into our class and was like, I need some help moving effectively furniture.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

And he pointed at, like, me and a couple other.

[Luke Lafreniere]

As he would.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And. And we went out and helped him move around, like, a bunch of benches and, like, stuff to set up. It was some, like, big event that was happening in the gym. And I remembered thinking, like, as I was walking back to class, I was like, I don't know exactly what I want to do as a job when I'm older, but I'd love if it was, like, going somewhere and doing a task, if that makes sense. And. And now I sit in. I sit in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I was going to say was this. It's the good news. When show was this story supposed to have a happy ending?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not really good news. I think it's like, I understand why you like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wasn't surprised when people are like, yeah, he's having a good time. I'm like, yeah. Because he's out doing stuff makes it's

[Luke Lafreniere]

so much more fun. I. We have to find a way. Like I told you. I told you earlier in the show, like, I wrote a video yesterday. Like, just. Just spontaneously. Yeah. Like, we had a cool idea because we saw, like, an interesting topic. I had a little brainstorm, which I often do. I'll sit and I'll do like an entire scrum for a video. I'll lay out an outline and then I'll walk away. And then we'll just like, I don't know, we'll make it in like, three weeks or we'll just never make it or whatever. But but we. But we didn't. We, like. We agiled up and we were just like, okay, no waterfalls. Okay, you're making this. You're. We. We scheduled you time. Go to your office.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Go write it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so I did. I sat and I just. I just wrote it. And it's. It's funny because I. I have written more than probably a lot of the audience realizes because I'm kind of a perfectionist about certain things. And so some of the videos that, like, have a writer credit on them, I like, basically just. I basically wrote them. I edit very heavily sometimes. And yes, I feel really good whenever I see a comment on it. That's like, hey. And the other person who's credited as the writer, wow, they did a really good job. I'm like. Like, I'll just quietly feel good about it. But in terms of just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you just have both of you

[Luke Lafreniere]

on there from scratch? From scratch, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I very rarely get to do it these days.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And in some ways, it's. It's funny, I was telling Yvonne when I came home, I was like, my brain's tired, but like a good tired. It's a different kind of tired editing someone else's work. Which is where. Where I've flexed my brain muscle the most for the last five, six, seven years. Nice. I'm, like, used to it. And like, that muscle's, like, hard, but it's like an uncomfortable kind of hard, tense. Whereas, like, the just from scratch, just. Just writing it muscle. I haven't. I haven't flexed it as much, but it was like, you know, like after a workout when you're, like, good tired. When you lie in your bed and you're just like, God, I'm tired. Oh, I'm gonna sleep like a baby.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I'm not yet. But, like, it was that kind of brain tired. It was so good.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sending you a message.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I've completely forgotten what is. I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's why I'm sending you the message.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He wants me to take herbal supplements and remedies. He. No, I'm just. I'm just. I'm just bugging you. I'm just bugging. He's going full in on natural health products. He's not. And it's not health advice. Neither of us knows. We don't know. We don't know anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, don't. Listen, the thing we're talking about, because people started guessing last time, and it was way worse, but. So I'll just say it. But I'm trying to get him to take creatine monohydrate. Don't listen to me. Do your own research. Go have fun. I am not a doctor. Hooray.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Good chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thanks. I'm talking to him. I'm not talking to you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they know that, right? Like we're just talking to each other.

[Linus Sebastian]

They know that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, none of this is advice. Oh, oh, I didn't see you there. Was that one checkout message?

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah, I've got like a hundred. So let's move on. Hi. Hi. Dan Xe. Yeah, yeah, Listen to it again. Luke Long Torso and Gabriel Danger.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's an amazing name for you. I really like Gabriel Danger. That's freaking awesome.

[Dan Bessler]

That's great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, Linus, I might whip that out sometime.

[Dan Bessler]

Let's go with Gabriel. Do you think Israel it would be. No, sir. Mr. Danger, do you think it would be fun to have the kids react to their or each other's videos of you building PCs with them when they were three?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yes, it's fun. We've done it multiple times. It's actually something that we do. We have done as a family at least twice. Sat and watched them all with all the kids and I have done at least once with two of my kids on two separate occasions when their friends are over. What, I gotta be an embarrassing dad? Yeah, come on. That is completely in character for me. Yeah, completely, definitely. And it's one of those things where like I've always had a complicated relationship with the idea of featuring our kids in our videos, especially when they were younger. Now that they're bigger, it's changing a lot. My perspective is, is, has changed quite a lot. We compensate them for their on time camera. We always have. They are reaching a point, especially my son, where they have, have, have had experiences of what it's like to be recognized in public for who they are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah. Oh man. Come on. Do you think the kids at school don't know what the fuck LTT is like?

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like that's different than a random encounter. I feel like they're both very impactful in different ways and for different reasons.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But do you think the, the school sportsball team doesn't go to other schools?

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And stuff. Yeah. Like it just, it just happens. Right. And so, you know, they can, they can, they're reaching the point now where. And you know, obviously I'm a dad, super biased, but I have super smart kids, they're great kids. Where we can have conversations about it, but in the early days, before they were, before they were even remotely able to understand or consent to anything. I had a very complicated relationship with it. I mean, obviously, like any parent, I love my kids, I want to show them off, but I didn't want to turn them into like a commodity for the enrichment of the company. And so those, those three year old builds were just like they felt at the time almost like a lapse in judgment with the first one and then like something that we had to do with the other two because we did it with the first one and we didn't want the classic. Yeah, well, the firstborn got all the love and attention and why are there, hey, why are there only pictures of my brother? Like, we didn't, we didn't want to do that. Looking back at it now, I am so glad we did it. I wish we'd done more because they're such a cool little time capsule. They're one of the only times like Yvonne and I are such busy parents. We only almost exclusively have pictures of our kids taken on our phones which, like, if you saw Marques's every iPhone, the same picture on every iPhone thing that he did recently. He did a short or something. Yeah, anyway, he did it and you know, when I was taking pictures with my phone 10 years ago, it was not great. And so those videos are one of the only pieces of media that exist of my kids that were shot professionally.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fair enough. So a lot of people will never have any.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it was really cool. And yes, so, yes, I've done that. Thank you for your wonderful don't checkout message.

[Dan Bessler]

I'm going to throw you one more checkout message just because we've got a lot coming in. Tough question for Linus. Do you have a favorite cat?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, oh, dude. Okay, look, I love all my cats equally. Actually, I don't. They're just animals and I, I don't.

[Dan Bessler]

He's animal farming it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't actually have the same rules about, you know, my cats and as I do about like people and my family and stuff. I can, I can love them better. I can love one cat better than another cat. My favorite is, is the orange and I'm trying to find. I. Oh, I must have. Shoot. I must have taken it on Yvonne's phone. I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask her to send it to me. She did this thing when she was a kitten. Can I have that picture of Missy on you for when. So she did this thing when she was a kitten where she would actually crawl like Right up in here when we were in bed. And she would like sleep like in our necks. And then when she reached like adolescence, every once in a while she would like crawl under the covers and just like camp herself between your thighs and just like hang there. And then for a long time, like six months, she didn't do it at all. And I don't know what happened, but over the last week or so, she's just become the biggest mama's girl on the face of the earth. And she's been like sleeping for hours at night just up on Yvonne's chest or next to her leg. And last night she hung out right between us, so she was the middle spoon. She's just being such a. She's like, she's dumb. You know, like sometimes it's not often true, but sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason. She's got a single orange brain cell and she just. It's firing at half capacity. But, but, but she is just. She's sweet and dumb, you know, she's just dumb and sweet. She's just such a sweet, dumb little girl or orange.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really hammer it in there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. And she's, and she's just, she's such, she's such tr. So her name is, her name is actually Mischief. Missy is. Missy is for short. Because she's just, she's trouble. She's just dumb trouble. But you can't get mad at her. She's just too cute. Brownie is probably the overall family favorite though, I'd say. You know what? Ah man Noodle's really great too. He's. He's weird. Weird cat.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a weird name. It makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Like he, he'll like run away from me, me all day and then I'll be, I'll have insomnia and I won't be able to sleep and I'll. I'll be like up getting a snack at 2 in the morning. And he like will almost kill me multiple times as I'm walking down the stairs, rubbing up against my legs and just like looking up at me and like, like he'll get up on. He'll get up on his back legs and he'll like, like reach up and like, he'll like grab on to me and stuff so that I can't walk away from him. Like, bro, where's this, where's all this love, like the rest of the time? Yeah, they're all really great. I, I love, I love cats. Anytime someone tells me they don't like cats, I basically just go I'm sorry that you haven't met the right cat yet, because they're.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're probably just dog people, and their dog was terrorized by a cat, so they just didn't like cats.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe that's it. I mean, I'm a dog person, too. I love dogs. They're just too much work. And that's. I did. I did so much animal care as a kid that I just. I wanted low maintenance animals. Horses are just. There's so much flipping work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And cool, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, they're. They're amazing. Oh, I love horses. Horses are. If I had to pick a favorite animal, it would probably be horses, if I'm being honest with myself. They just. We had Arabs particular breed of horse. Not like people from certain regions of Earth, like, we Arabian horses. So we had Arabs when I was growing up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. I don't know how many people questioned that, but. All right, sounds good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just making sure. I mean, we had that whole incident that one time where I didn't know what a word meant, and there was some ambiguity. I'm just getting out ahead of it, Luke. I'm getting out ahead of it. I'm my own Neo. I dodge my own bullets now. Anyway, we had Arabs, and they have so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's some hard Arabs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stop saying it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just say horses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a breed of horse. Just say horse then. And they're known for being somewhat headstrong.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the Arabs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, the Arab horses. Arab horses. And. And so all three of our horses, they were ladies and they just so

[Linus Sebastian]

Arab ladies are headstrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what it is. I like. I like animals that. That don't give you unconditional love.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yeah, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dogs almost feel too easy in a way. I love dogs, too. Like our dog Buster. He would sleep in my room all the time. We were. We were like BFFs during those years. He was like the best dog we ever had. Love dogs. But in some ways, like, I almost have, like. I have this thing where stuff doesn't feel. I don't like the easy path, Which

[Linus Sebastian]

you know very well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't like. I don't like the easy path. Okay. And I don't feel. I don't feel as deep a sense of accomplishment if I didn't work for something. And cats and horses are like that. They can be the most loving, sweet animals. They absolutely have emotions. Anyone who tells you that, you know, a dog especially doesn't you feel just. I don't know how to. I don't know how to account for that. They just. They clearly not. They're clearly not looking. They're clearly not open to it, right? And cats and horses are absolutely the same, but they just. They have that edge. They weren't domesticated, grand scheme of things that long ago. And so, you know, horses, they'll just. They'll do stuff, right? They'll just, like, man, they. You'd be. You'd be working. You'd be working on them, right? You'd be shoveling, you know, shoveling in their stall, or you'd be, you know, brushing them down, or you're doing whatever it is that you're doing. And they. They do this thing. You do this thing where they'll look away and they'll step on your foot and. Look, unless they're really trying to hurt you, they won't step hard. But they're just. They're just letting you know. They don't. They won't break your foot unless they want to. They don't put all their weight on it. They just. They just let you know. They just. They let you know. One of. One of ours was beating Arabs. Was. Yeah, one of our Arabs. Her name was Crazy. Actually, it was Keela, but we called her Crazy because she was. Okay, let me put it this way. When the vet came to artificially inseminate her, which we only had to do because she kept fighting the stallions,

[Linus Sebastian]

the

[Luke Lafreniere]

vet said they put enough tranq in her to take down a rhino. And she still like it. Like. Like it. She was, like, still kicking. She was. She was. Boy, did that thing ever have spirit. She. She was what an incredible horse. Loved her. Anyway, so I was riding her one day, and another thing that horses will do is they'll test you, right? They'll test you. They want to know, like, who's in control here. They always want to know. They're always testing the limits. And one of the things that they'll do is they will. They'll go near trees and branches and stuff, and they'll, like. They'll bug you. They'll like. They'll. They'll know the entire. The path is this wide, and there's a skinny sliver right over here that has a branch hanging over it. And they'll. They'll try to. They'll try to take that route just to give you a little, you know, a little branch in the face. Anyway, she got kind of spooked by something. Some noise or some animal or some. Some smell. You never know, right? They can smell things like Miles away. And she kind of, she kind of got spooked and she kind of took off and then she kind of settled a little bit, but we were still going a little fast. And I was like trying to get her under control and she just, you know, was not, was not having it. And she went under a thick branch and I saw it coming and I got down and I had a helmet on, thankfully, but I got down. I got down flat on her and it still hit me like right in the head and pushed me right off the back of the horse. And she took maybe another three steps and she stopped. And she looked back and you could tell in that moment she didn't mean to do that. She was like, oh, I'm sorry. Like, that was. I meant to, I meant to sass you. I didn't mean to hurt you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so I like, I went over, I basically like gave her the, like, you can't, you can't. Okay, you can. But I wouldn't. But I gave her a little like, you know, one of these, like, don't do that. Stood there, got back up and was like, okay. And gave her a little kick. Okay, are we gonna have a good ride here? That was probably the best behaved that she ever was. And you can't convince me, you will never convince me in a thousand years that an animal you can have that kind of a relationship with and that kind of an experience with doesn't. Doesn't understand that they're just a dumb animal. Yeah. So I, Man, I love horses even when they're, when they're bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's this. I've heard this thing about how they can lock their like, joints and tendons so that standing uses like an incredibly low amount of energy. I didn't like a mind blowingly low amount of energy. That's a fun. They're prey animals. Realistically, you look at the eye position and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, they definitely are.

[Linus Sebastian]

So they don't want to. And it can. Can take a lot to get a horse, especially if it's like laying down, like on its side. It can take a lot to get it all the way up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So they want to be able to, to just basically stand all the time. And there's this whole thing where like, you'll see, you know, if, if a hor. If you're like sitting down and a horse like lays down next to you or whatever, it's actually a very high level sign of trust.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really? Because I was about to say we only had one horse that would lie down and it was the foal that crazy ultimately eventually birthed. Her name was Trixie. And she would. She would lie down in the hay. Not like, not like the, like the bedding hay, like the food hay. So the other horses would be like, standing and like, eating the hay, and she would just be chilling in the middle of it. That was her jam, which I've never seen before. I have to assume that she, like, watched one of the dogs do it or something, because that's not horse behavior.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, all right, two more topics says Dan, the producer.

[Dan Bessler]

It's on the sign. I didn't say it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude. I love, I love this is slightly off topic still, but I love when you see, like, animals raised by other random animals, like birds that are like, if it's a single bird and a bunch of dogs, it'll like, bark at stuff. It's just like, so funny. You see, you see all these like, just little like, oh, it learned that from, you know, it was alone for whatever reason, but it was around a bunch of other ones and it learned that. That habit from that other animal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's very, very funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, let's talk about Turboquant. This was another contributor to potentially the rampocalypse. Easing at least a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

We hope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You want to do it? Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Google Research published a blog post on a compression algorithm called Turboquant. You know, the. I'm good. The people who started this whole thing and then stopped paying attention have now released another blog post that has a lot of impact by reducing the memory footprint of the key value cache of large language models by 6x with zero accuracy loss and no retraining required.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Geez, how it works. Bunch of math over here. Feel free to skip it. We'll touch on it. LLMs encode text in the form of vectors. The key value cache is a digital cheat sheet that stores these vectors so the model doesn't have to recompute them from scratch every time it generates a new word. As a chat session progresses, the KV cache eats more and more GPU memory, which is a problem because it's storing the whole history of the entire conversation. It re regurgitates it, like every time,

[Luke Lafreniere]

which is why LLMs get so stupid once you have exceeded some reasonable amount of memory that they have allocated to your conversation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the KV cache gets compressed over the course of a chat session. But existing compression techniques have to store extra normalization data alongside the compression values, which partially undoes said compression. Turboquant solves this in two steps. 1. Polar quant. I love that. Just cold sick word. Paired with quant eliminates compression overhead by converting vectors into polar coordinates, encoding them with an angle and a distance instead of X and y, which removes the need for that extra data. Okay, that's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so cool. Yeah, that's. That's almost like. That's almost like the end to end compression. Like, like, like obvious if you think about it. Kind of like moment from Silicon Valley. Like it's. Yeah. Instead of storing all of this, we just store how you get there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

A second technique called QJL or quantized Johnson Linden Strauss Sick applies a one bit error correction to clean up any residual errors. Nice. Which apparently has no negative impact. At least they're saying up above. Together these improve compression efficiency, taking memory usage from 16 bits per number down to just three. Yeah. Damn. This compression technique effectively improves inference economics.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very fun. Letting you either extend the context window or serve more users with fewer GPUs, which in both cases is save money. It's important to note that Turboquant does not compress the model itself. The model stays the same size. It only compresses the information that is generated during a chat session. Google tested it across standard benchmarks using open source models. Gemma Mistral, Llama. And got perfect scores on needle in haystack tests While achieving up to 8x speed up in attention computation on Nvidia H100 GPUs compared to uncompressed baselines. The initial market reaction was a bit of panic when this paired with the OpenAI.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Actually, we haven't talked about that yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so we'll talk about it a little bit later. Yeah, yeah, but that. Those, those two things paired caused some market panic as investors started recalculating how much physical memory the AI industry actually needs. Within hours of Google's blog post, memory stocks dropped. Micron fell 3%, Western Digital lost 4.7% and SanDisk dropped 5.7%.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now those two other second two are kind of funny to me because neither of them makes ram. But I'm sure there's a reason for this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude. Over the pandemic there was. What was Zoom? Zoom. Oh yeah, started getting used a lot. And some other stock called Zoom that wasn't the chat system went to the moon because people didn't even do enough research to make sure they were investing in the right thing. The stock market is hilarious. Analysts are saying that it is likely another deep seek moment, referring to how the release of the cheaper and also open source Deepseek model back in 2024, back in 2025, back in my day, caused a trillion dollar market panic before anyone even realized that cheaper AI just means that more people are going to use it. SanDisk's CFO reinforced that theory when he told bank of America analysts that he actually expects the improved efficiency to boost demand by making AI deployments more accessible. The bigger picture here is that this could be part of a shift where compression and efficiency breakthroughs may start to matter more than how big you can make your model. And that honestly does make sense to me. And techniques like Turboquant are what could get AI to run locally in a more efficient way. And this is interesting because honestly, for a huge percentage of users, it kind of can do enough for what it is right now. But anyway, so making it more efficient would make sense. Couple of caveats here, mostly for reference, but I'm going to say them anyways because this is a pretty interesting topic. The underlying research is actually about a year old. The paper the paper first appeared on Arixiv in April of 2025, but it's getting more attention now ahead of its formal presentation at ICLR 2026 later this month. Google hasn't released official code, but independent devs are already building working implementations from the paper alone. And the real thing to watch is whether major frameworks like Lambda ccp sorry CPP Olama or Vllm merge it in. Wow. Actually like super cool. Not. Not even just for the home labor is trying to run their own stuff which is this. This is sick for but also anyone trying to build the computer because dear God, hopefully RAM prices come down And I also Rxive is actually pronounced archive. The X is Greek. Sure, sure, whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, I thanks. Oh man, hear me out. Maybe we don't use this efficiency to just build even more AI like the sandisky said. I actually don't think so. Based on based on OpenAI shutting down Sora too and just kind of going oh yeah, forget it. Based on that, pretty much every app I touch already has AI in it. Is that really the outcome that we're expecting from this? Or do we expect them to finally return to some some semblance of fiscal responsibility with this build out?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what to expect with any of this stuff anymore, to be honest. It's that that whole like the market can stay rational longer than you can stay solid irrational.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yes, yeah, sure. Am I just. Am I just this just wishful thinking for me or are we actually, you know, seeing a return to sanity?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think we are going to fully return.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I don't. I don't think we're gonna fully return ever. But, like, you know, tulips are still worth $17. They're not worthless.

[Linus Sebastian]

Considering. Considering the level of impact that this is talking about. 6x reduction paired with. And like, you know, you still need the initial VRAM to like load the freaking model because they're not making the model smaller. Blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's still a significant reduction of something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, the inference can get cheaper. That's still a good thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. That paired with the Sam Altman stuff that we'll talk about shortly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, we can just do that now.

[Linus Sebastian]

We probably should. Those two things paired, I suspect will cause an impact. I don't think it's going to be super massive, but I do think it'll bring things down a little bit. It already has.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is a great tweet from our fellow Canadian bros over at Hardware Canucks. It's going to load eventually, but this, man, this site is slow these days. Turns out Sam Altman buying up 40% of dram wafers was actually him writing letters of intent. Letters he supposedly had. Has no intention of converting to actual purchases. Now, now. And memory manufacturers are just getting dumped on today. This was from March 30th. So this was earlier this week.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. The problem is that hasn't stayed true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, but there are other signals because this is.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is. And I don't know what they were using. I don't know if he was using, like Google stock, whatever, but like five days they're up, one days they're barely down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So they've recovered to where they were.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, this is what I'm saying. It's like people heard this news and then went, all right, I do business.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think, I think we're gonna return to. I think we're gonna return to a little bit of sanity here. I think that if people can buy less hyper expensive. Here's something to remember too, guys. The memory is getting way more expensive for gamers in the current climate. The memory is also getting way more expensive for these giant build outs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I just think. I don't. I don't think Turboquant is going to make as much of an impact as people think. You know, 6x production on inference memory sounds awesome. You still gotta load those models. There's still a lot else going on. Most people that I see when they're speccing out like home Lab. I've been trying to do some research because I, I'd really like to have a home lab LLM set up thing at some point. Yeah, but ramps just freaking expensive. But most people that I see specking out systems for that are not talking about do you know, have enough memory for inference. They're talking about do you have enough memory to load the model? So like I, I don't know how much that's going to move the, the needle. I don't have a ton of experience running these myself, hence I haven't built one yet. But just the, the like, you know, looking around on the Level 1 text forum or whatever else I've been doing, I don't see people min. Maxing for that now. Great. You know what, it sounds good and, and maybe it will reduce a little bit of demand. I have, I don't know on the data center level. But, and I think that this is why when you said earlier like, oh, the market, the market drop was because of this. That might even be true. I have no idea what's going on with the markets. But to me the more real thing feels like the letters of intent being maybe not super legit from Sam Altman.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, because he said publicly now that yeah, that number that I kind of had planned before, it's actually going to be a lot lower from my understanding.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So that's more real to me. That's like a, okay, this, this part of the circle of moving money around that has been a huge part of the whole bubble around this AI stuff

[Luke Lafreniere]

and that has created pressure for everyone else to build faster than they can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that there isn't just like one company left standing that has all the capacity.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that is cracking a little bit. This is, this is a sign of a crack.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hope so.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's where I have a lot more hope. This turboquant thing sounds super cool on like a technical level and stuff. It sounds awesome. I don't know how much that is going to cause a reduction in demand of RAM in reality. And, but the, the Sam Altman thing is like, oh, there was, there was the crack that was them adding ads into their thing where they were like, this would be the last ditch thing we would ever do. And then they did it like two months later. And this is another one of those cracks where it's like, yeah, we want to buy all this ram. And then, and maybe not, maybe we don't actually need that much. And there's, there's this like, you know, this standoff of who's going to say that they, they don't have the, the capital and the desire first. And this is OpenAI saying that maybe they don't actually have as much capital and desire as they had previously thought, which is a big statement.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then there's the Oracle layoffs and the

[Linus Sebastian]

Oracle layoffs and like all these other kind of things happening and it's like, okay, maybe it's slowing down a little bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What else we got today?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, the WAN show channel is live. We are multi streaming. LMG Clips is officially rebranded to the WAN Show. This is part of the transition where WAN show is now officially co owned 5050 by me and Luke. And in the event that anything, you know, ever happens, this was our way of kind of safeguarding WAN show and making sure that it can just continue to exist. And part of that is having it continue to exist on a separate channel. YouTube.com@thewan show or excuse me, at WAN show. This one right here. So we are multi streaming to this one and LTT for the time being, but over time we are going to be moving to exclusively that channel. So this is a soft, soft transition and apparently we are actually moving forward with my hilarious plan where we're going to reduce the bit rate on the Linus Tech Tips channel slowly, week over week until people kind of go, okay, all right. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

When is that starting?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think next week. Right. Dan, are you still working on the technical side of that?

[Dan Bessler]

No, I offered to do it today. We should be good to start next week. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. My notes say Dan is working on it, so that's why I assumed that was right.

[Dan Bessler]

I don't know who wrote that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Dan Bessler]

I have three encoders and I've set up the second one to have adjustable bit rate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hilarious.

[Linus Sebastian]

Adjustable bitrate. Is there a way? Because I don't think you can with obs. Is there. Can you change the bitrate during the stream?

[Dan Bessler]

No, the encoder gets.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would be. That would be sociopathic. Starting the show at high quality and then slowly degrading it.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I, I don't think so.

[Dan Bessler]

I could probably, I don't know, with one of the cameras.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, maybe

[Dan Bessler]

I can't adjust the encoder

[Luke Lafreniere]

once it's ready from this. This is, this is next level.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is just curiosity really. I'm not actually like suggesting filters on this. I just like, for, for me, like if I screw up the bit rate on a stream that I start, I have to end the stream to change it. That's my level of Got it. So I'm like, is. Whoa.

[Dan Bessler]

I mean, that's not going to work.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just a filter, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's just blur.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you could. You could tell that was just blur.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Low bit rate feels kind of unique. I don't know.

[Dan Bessler]

I wonder if we could data mosh live. That would be kind of fun. I'm gonna try that. We don't really move around enough, but

[Linus Sebastian]

yeah, you know, if you guys do this confetti cannon.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah, yeah, that would work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, all right, all right, all right. We're supposed to do the floatplane announcement for this week.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've had 88 weeks of documentation showcasing why Wan was late. Has Yuan late been running for over a year?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Although episode 21 is out, Linus still hasn't done a punishment for being the most late last season. If you have a suggestion for what Linus should have to do on the WAN show as his punishment, let us know in the comments on that most recent episode. Oh, I see. So it's over on floatplane. Here it is. Linus showcases his Linux issues wise. Wan late episode 21. Okay. All right, good. Thank you, Sammy, for that very innovative engagement idea. I guess I have to do the thing anyway while you're over there checking it out at LMG GG Floatplane, we also have. Oh, some extras for you. Oh, cool. This is great. Early access. He needs a nas. This is really funny. It's actually in the intro of the video, but Plouffe goes, have you noticed that in all the years I've worked here, I have never done anything with storage or networking? And I was like, oh, yeah, no, I did not notice that. But yes, now that you say it. So it's just because it wasn't an area of expertise for him. And as part of rectifying that and also solving some just data management issues, and also because that man just cannot help himself, a new hobby shows up and he's like, oh, yay, new hobby. He built himself a nas. It's a really good video. His timing is terrible. Yeah, as you well know. But he had a really good time doing it and it's a really good video.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We also are finally releasing this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, I'm just gonna change this title a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Talking about us being slow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look, there was a lot of moving pieces on this one. Adam went all the way to NASA to find out how far away a panel has to be from a fan before it impacts the performance. It's a pretty cool video with some,

[Linus Sebastian]

like, waiting to see it for so long.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Next level, Real Science. It was filmed so long ago that it talks about the Artemis missions in the Future Tense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which I guess trans and you. Oh, that's up. Early access over on Floatplane.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't yet, because I want to show something fun. Some people haven't noticed that Floatplane also joined in on the festivities of April 1st. Oh, so we added loot boxes. In the top right hand corner, you can see up here there's a little loot box icon. And it's pretty innocent. This is all it does. You click it, it does a little animation, and then it pops open and you get served a random video that you have access to. Wow. They added a Linus hole to this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's because I got a prototype.

[Linus Sebastian]

What a poll.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I got a prototype of this.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a. That's a. That's a Feedback. That's a rare Pokemon card right there. But yeah, it's. It's kind of fun. So maybe check it out and click the loot box.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, cool. Oh, we're supposed to do sponsors one and two. The show is brought to you today by dbrand. Are you spending too much time doom scrolling on your phone and playing Xbox while watching watching the WAN show? You need to touch some grass. Wend. Good news, though. Dbrand has brought back their limited edition touch grass lineup of skins this year, so you don't have to give up effortlessly, endlessly looking at reels to get that sweet outdoors dopamine hit. There's no need to leave the couch to feel the sweet tickle of a meadow brushing against your fingertips. And they've even paired it with their new blue sky skin. So you're gonna really feel like you're out outside. And with gas prices as expensive as they are, a dbrand skin is probably cheaper than driving to the end of your driveway to touch real grass. Thank you for that, dbrand. That's good talking points. So bring the outdoors right to the palm of your hands. All you have to do is go to short linus.com and you too can experience nature from the comfort of your couch. I actually saw my first touch grass skin in the wild at that recent event at Sony in Japan. It was another reporter. And I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about this, but one of the reasons that dbrand told me that they made it a limited edition in the first place was that they had concerns about the durability of it. Yeah, so when I saw her MacBook I was really impressed with how good it still looked. And that sort of aligns with dBrand's decision to bring it back. It ended up being in my opinion, this is my opinion now, not dbrand. It ended up being in my opinion a better lasting look than I expected. It's pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm wondering if you can. Yeah, dude. My like gape mouth at the beginning was because that looks amazing. Well yeah, a green Xbox. A green textured Xbox looks awesome. I'm kind of a bit of a hater of the Xbox. Just a black rectangle is very boring.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the touch grass thing. I also think it could be kind of fun if I can scroll past this to try to match up some of the blue sky and touch grass. I don't know, maybe. I don't know if you can do a mixture thing when you're checking out, but if you could make like Windows X XP background bliss style, that'd be kind of sweet. Actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I do wonder, I would, I do wonder how dbrand would do just like selling bulk skin of their skins. If like, if I feel like I

[Linus Sebastian]

probably buy some touch grass.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, if you could just buy like a two foot by two foot sheet or a one by two or something like that. I don't know if they've considered it legitimately. This is not a conversation I've had with, with anybody over there. But let's move on to our next sponsor. Sorry we went a little long on this one. The show is also brought to you by Odoo. Your business doesn't need separate apps for things like tracking sales, managing payroll or juggling inventory and manufacturing. Our sponsor Odoo can help you keep your entire business operating on one simple platform. When you start a project, you can pop everything you need right into Odoo CRM app to help you break down what stage of production it's in with things like budget and urgent easily displayed. Then if your product or service is ready to hit the market without leaving Odoo, you can start setting up a point of sale interface making it easy to get things into customers hands. Odoo is going to save you more time and headaches with inventory because you can set up replenishment strategies with Min Max rules and Odoo can even order more supplies automagically. And one of the best parts, if you only need one application, check that out over on the left. Odoo will let you you use it for free. So if your business is smaller and only needs something like an E signature tool. But you're currently paying for one. Why not use Odoo's free option? Book a demo with a member of their team or get started with a 15 day trial. No credit card [e-mail] Wan all right, hold on. I'm holding. I'm holding on. Hold on to what? Your microphone.

[Linus Sebastian]

It comes with one and something else.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry. It comes with.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you buy the touch grass skin, it comes with a free blue sky skin and the little clippy says it as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, adorable.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I am genuinely interested to see if someone can make like a bliss style build way combination of both.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They were way ahead of you. Yeah, it's classic dbrand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's sweet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, should we do. Gmail now lets you change your old email name without deleting your account. Google is now letting all us Gmail users change the part of their email address before the mail.com. your old address stays connected as an alias so email sent to it will still reach your inbox. That's pretty based.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is awesome. Especially if you have like some ancient, you know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's your most embarrassing email alias?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I don't have it anymore.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ladiesboy54hotmail.com.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, was that ladies or lady?

[Linus Sebastian]

Ladies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your shirt wasn't lady boy. I'm just wondering.

[Linus Sebastian]

This was ladies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was like ladies.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I. This would have been like literally like grade five or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Early bloomer.

[Dan Bessler]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. I was ready to go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ladies boy. All right. Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I've talked about mine before, but mine's probably moo moo the cowotmail.com. that was not. And it had underscores too. So whenever I had to like give it to. Whenever I had to say it, I just felt like such an idiot. Yes. Mumu underscore the underscore cow. And this is in the early days of email. So occasionally people would start writing the word underscore because like they didn't know what it was and stuff. It was like. And it was not good times. I'm really glad that I moved on from that. But my. My later Hotmail actually is not. Not much better. It's. Whatever it was. The underscore peanuts underscore [e-mail] so long. Yeah, it's really long. Thank you. It's the first time anyone's ever said that to me. Yeah, but it's very funny at least because like the peanut gallery is like, you know, the. The scrub, like riff raff. You know, throwing the peanuts or whatever. That's my understanding of it anyway. And so I was just like, yeah, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm. I'm a riffraff, you know, troublemaker. But then I changed it to Peanuts because my name is Linus. Anyway, I'm. Yeah, I don't use that anymore either. I think I'll just have to keep my work email forever at this point. Everything is tied to it, so I'll just keep that domain forever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe I've done pretty good at keeping separation of church and state.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you should. Dude. I had so much stuff in my NCIX email that I like, really shouldn't have and that was a problem a couple times.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I also had a bit of a shock because of losing the floatplane club stuff. And then it was like, ah, I need to remember that these things are like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. We used to use floatplaneclub.com instead of floatplane.com.

[Linus Sebastian]

yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I actually forget the whole story of getting the floatplane domain. I'd have to go. I'd have to go back and watch the WAN show to know the story again.

[Linus Sebastian]

My good documentation for it is gone because it was in the drive of full. But I, I know most of the steps that happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know we flew down in person.

[Linus Sebastian]

You did?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Oh, sorry. I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know that I had knocked on a literal actual door to get in touch with the guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which will never not be an amazing story.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm like, I'm pretty confident on the details, but I know that we have said read the story on a previous WAN show, so someone's probably got a link to that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We just have to find it.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it was, it was, it was Stonemason. Someone said he was a Mormon. I think it was Stonemasons. It's a, it's a wild story to be honest. But yeah, I don't want to do it injustice by saying it wrong. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Want some more good news? Yes, it's good news when.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Spotify is adding an excellent exclusive mode audiophile feature for Windows PCs. This gives premium subscribers bit perfect audio playback up to 24 bit 44.1Khz flack. So like just actually imperceptible from like perfect quality. Yeah. This bypasses Windows Audio Mixer and hand Spotify full control of the audio chain. This means that while exclusive mode is on, no other apps can play audio through the same, which is probably fine. And features like auto mix and crossfade need to be turned off. To actually achieve bit perfect output.

[Linus Sebastian]

But hey, that's really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's really cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's sweet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean they only recently added lossless streaming last September, years behind Tidal, Apple Music and Amazon Music. And now they're taking it a step further. So if you're at a Windows workstation and you want to just jam out to your Spotify tunes, you can get bit perfect quality. That is so. That is so cool. But our discussion question is, hey, Tidal has had exclusive mode for years and still hasn't beaten Spotify or even approached it in terms of market share. Like what is up with that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Nobody cares. But Spotify has.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have. You have one man that you have worked with multiple times in the past. Who would disagree?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep, yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Gentleman goes by the name of dms.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am using nobody in a fairly excessive way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dismissive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The market way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Masses don't care. No, I know you're not wrong and it's unfortunate. But we also have learned that with video quality and lots of other things as well, they'll think it's neat. But if they have to pay for it, it makes no difference. And. And they would rather pay for other things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fair. That's fair. But you know what? Hey, competition makes more features for more people and that's something that I can

[Linus Sebastian]

always get behind and also just hard mid pandemic. I don't have anyone who can cut my hair. Wan show buying our domain was crazy

[Luke Lafreniere]

that you could have cut.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was taking the opportunity to try to grow it out and it just didn't work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, it worked. It grew out. Yeah, yeah. Success.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was educational. But yeah, apparently that clip. So there's a clip from back then that's like 11 and a half minutes long where we talk about it. So if you want the accurate, actually quite fun story, maybe go check that out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, let's do it. Let's do it. I know you've been waiting the whole time. Artemis 2 is en route to the moon. Let's do it. Let's do it. That's your topic. Hit it. Oh, okay, okay, hold on, hold on. Before we start.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you see the shot out the window of the plane?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Super.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is a picture for the freaking ages. What a picture. What a. What a photograph. What a moment.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like what was it? 1973 was the last time.

[Linus Sebastian]

It sounds right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

72, 73. Some somewhere in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

These.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like that was one of the things I asked when we.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So when you got that tour for me at NASA, that was one of the things that I like pulled the guide aside and was like hey, you probably get this question all the time, but like literally the smartwatch on my hand is more powerful than all the computers involved in the Apollo lunar landing missions combined. What's the dealio? How is it so hard to go back? And he was talking completely, you know, just off the record conversationally. This is not official NASA whatever, so just take it for what it is. One non tour guide who was just having a conversation and basically he's just like, well you gotta, you gotta understand that like the entire resources fundamentally of the United States federal government wanted to say you to the commies and get there first. The kind of resources that NASA had at its disposal at that time was literally civilization changing. Right? That's one. Number two is priorities. You know, low Earth orbit or just Earth orbit in general has been more economically interesting and it's been where the focus is.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's where the ISS is, that's where we've been, that's where we've been working.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of the work that you can do in space you do not need to go to the moon, for the moon is like really far. Okay, so that's two. And then number three was the longer it went, the more harder it became because people would retire out or die out who knew how to do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's as far as my understanding goes, a pretty significant amount of it because of the focus being on LEO for so long has been similar to something like making like advanced CRTs or those machines that you guys used for. Well, not you, but you contributed towards restoring, reboot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh those tape decks. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like the expertise is retired out or passed away or onto something else.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Spare parts, nobody makes them, the money's

[Linus Sebastian]

not there anymore and the machine things

[Luke Lafreniere]

aren't getting cheaper to make.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, not really.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like I don't think you could build a Saturn V rocket today for cheaper than you could have built it back then. Realistically there are some things and that

[Linus Sebastian]

level of one off and those types of things like, like mass production is making things a lot cheaper. But yeah, crazy. And there's, there are other options. Like there's, you know, some of the SpaceX stuff could get us there and stuff but they're commercial and there's arguments that could be made that we should have used them for this trip and whatever and blah blah. And personally I don't care about any of that. I'm just freaking stoked. Back to the movie. April 1st, crazy day. To choose, NASA launched the Artemis.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No one's gonna believe it.

[Linus Sebastian]

The first crewed mission since Apollo. Apollo 17 and 19, 1972. It's a crewed mission to the moon. No, we're not landing. But still, this is the first time humans have headed there in General in over 50 years, which is crazy. The final engine firing, a trans lunar injection burn, happened Thursday at 7:49pm Eastern Time. Fully committing to the 10 day mission by propelling the Orion spacecraft out of Earth's orbit towards the moon. This final burn could have been called off if engineers were concerned about the spacecraft systems, resulting in a continued orbit around Earth until the landing route was plotted. But it wasn't, which is freaking awesome. After the mission launched, Mission commander Reid Wiseman reported that he was having issues with Microsoft Outlook.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here comes the quote. Here comes the quote. I love it. Go for it. Do it, do it, do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks and neither one of these are working. If you want to remote in and check Optimus and those two Outlooks, that would be awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wiseman said on live stream. Mission control had to remote in to fix the issue with his computer. Microsoft hasn't commented as of writing, which is hilarious. And then we have the actual audio if we want to listen to that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, hold on. No, no, I think, I think I have it. I think I have it here. I'm pulling it. Here it is. Hold on. We just got, we just got to skip. We just got to skip here. Hold on. Where is it? Yeah, I forget exactly where it is, but it's somewhere in here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there's, there's been a lot of. I don't know, it's just so energizing. I was talking to a good friend that, that works over at NASA and I was saying like, you know, there's a lot of bad things going on in like the world right now, but it's oddly uplifting that we're going back to the moon. Like something about that is just so cool. There it is. But yeah, I'm pretty sure that, I'm

[Luke Lafreniere]

pretty sure that's, that's canon now.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's great. And like there's there's also this, this, this show that I've never seen or heard of before, but there's this really cool quote from it that is like,

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know there's no sound. You don't need the sound to know what he's saying.

[Linus Sebastian]

The, the lessons of Icarus isn't that we need to not fly so close to the sun. The lesson of Icarus should be that we need to build better wings. And I'm just like, that is just such a cool quote. I don't know the show. Somebody probably knows. I don't watch that much TV shows, but solid. I got linked like that, that clip and I was like, man, that's freaking sick. It's just so. It feels like good human progress again. But the AI stuff has so much ick with it. But like going and being amongst the stars again is just so cool. And like progressing towards this idea of having a moon base is awesome because that's really fun. I'm going to mourn the issuance, but it's cool that we're doing something else. And it's just, it's just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you low key kind of excited that there's a Canadian on board?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, absolutely. And he's awesome. And all the interviews with him are super cool. I'm happy he's a part of it. It's really cool that Canada is able to participate in stuff that NASA does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's nice to see during a time of somewhat frigid relations, which has been

[Linus Sebastian]

such an amazing thing about the issuance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The whole time that Canada and the U.S. are, you know, doing this together.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. It's kind of weird that before it was a really cool thing that existed during rough relations between the US and Russia. Yeah. And now space travel stuff is a really cool thing to have during tense relations between the U.S. and Canada. It's like this space stuff just tends to bring people together. Which I think is just so cool. And there's all these quotes of astronauts going into space and looking back at Earth and feeling like our petty little squabbles are not things that we should worry about and we should be focused on other things because of this tiny little pale blue dot. And it's just. I just, ah, it's so cool. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dark Guy 2 has a really good message in floatplane chat says. I think a lot of people just assume that human knowledge is magically cumulative. Once something's learned, just it's learned forever. But maintaining knowledge takes actual effort and tons of stuff has been forgotten. And I think that's a really important message right now that is being felt very strongly by anyone who still remembers the events of the early to mid-1940s. We really as a species do not have a species wide memory. And it really does take work to remember things. I'm so, I'm so glad to just see people working together.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To do something really cool. And it's just, it's exciting. I like, I haven't been able to stop just looking at the news about it. It's just exciting and fun and cool and ludicrously expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like, I don't know, in like, in like in like a Lost Porn kind of way. It's, it's kind of fun to watch in that way as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had, Sorry, I've been struggling on whether or not I should address this one, but there's a comment in flow plane chat imsis saying getting to the moon is not getting amongst the stars. On the scale of the nearest star, you essentially haven't left the Earth except you have like the distance between one and a million. And what I think is a billion is basically a billion is what they're saying. Yeah, the Earth is amongst the stars so that's fine on but I, I'm considering basically going to outer space at all. Every time. Watching any launch that goes into outer space, whether it's low orbit or not, I think is cool and exciting and this is a form of progress and there's, there's theory that a base on the moon could help us get towards Mars and all this other kind of stuff and we're actually like doing stuff again. Space progress felt very stagnant for a long time and SpaceX in a lot of ways really sparked it again, which has been really awesome and this feels like a really cool step forward. And NASA actually really doing stuff again, which I think is really cool because I don't personally love the idea of it all becoming privatized. I think there being both is really good. That's where I'm currently at. I don't know, I'm sure other people have opinions but yeah, it's cool. I'm very, very happy with all this. I'm happy it's so far going really well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, you want to know what else is going better than ever before? Gary's mod creator Gary Newman has partnered with Valve to ensure that user created content built in Sandbox, the upcoming successor to Garry's mod can be sold royalty free.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's super cool. I was never a big Garry's mod guy. I played called hide and seek like once. Is that, that's where you're like objects or something like that and you, you disguise yourself as like a tin can and you go around and then they have to try and find you. Is that called hide and seek? That's the one, yeah. So I played prop hunt like once on like a stream with someone or something? I think so. I was never a big Garry's mod guy, but obviously I I'm an enjoyer of, you know, the silly videos and shenanigans that come out of Gary's mod, so this is super cool. I It's always nice to see Valve do based things. They don't do everything right, but they do seem to sort of generally try to do cool stuff for the most part and love to see it. Oh, I'm supposed to do a couple more sponsors and then man, we got. We still got quite a few more like good news topics. It's amazing when you go searching for good news, how easy it is to find and when you allow yourself to be in a negative echo chamber, how easy it is to get enveloped by it. The show is brought to you today by Squarespace. Starting a business but not having a website is kind of like going to an archery range without shoes on. You might just be shooting yourself in the foot. Aha. Very funny. Our sponsor, Squarespace, is an all in one website platform that's going to help you and your business hit the mark. Whether you want to pick from tons of templates or use their design intelligence tool to create something more personal, Squarespace can help create something that fits your brand identity. They have made it even easier to run your business through their platform too, thanks to direct invoicing with payment options like Direct Debit, Apple Pay, Klarna and more. There's millions of URLs still out there. If you were worried they were all gone, they're not. And Squarespace's domain search tool will help you find the one that's right for you. And once your site is up and running, you can keep track of its performance with a variety of analytics tools that Squarespace provides. We've even used Squarespace extensively in the past, including for linusmediagroup.com so there's no excuses if we can do it. So can you start building your website today and get 10% off your first purchase by visiting squarespace.com Wan the show is also brought to you by Proton. You might have heard some rumors about me. That I was born knowing all of the tech tips, that since I was a baby, maybe I knew how to authenticate with multiple factors, that I sent my first email before I could walk. None of that is true. None of us were born online. We weren't molded by it. We didn't see an inbox until we were grown. Proton knows this. They understand that there was a time when we used to have much more privacy, and that's why they built ProtonMail to help regain some of that. It's an email platform that blocks tracking, tracking pixels, doesn't feed you ads, and doesn't scan your emails to feed large language models. It's just a privacy first email option with end to end encryption. They even make it easy to port from your current email provider to Proton with just a couple of clicks. So don't wait. Protect your digital privacy by checking out ProtonMail using our link down below. All right, you want to pick some good news?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Steam Fixes Regional Pricing Issues Wow. Good news. Wan show multiple Steam topics Valve is making changes to how it's handling regional pricing after users complained about regional about pricing being 20 to 30% more expensive in certain regions. Steam's new regional pricing tool has a more up to date data for exchange rates and purchasing power across 37 currencies in four regions. Developers can either automatically adjust their pricing via exchange rate, purchasing power, or multivarial conversion. And Valve has said that this most closely matches the method that was previously presented in the pricing tool. That's the multi variable conversion thing. Publishers can still manually set pricing if they want to, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Our discussion question is Canada is often lumped in with the US as an economic region. So that's why for ever LTT has talked about pricing in terms of US Dollars for the products that we're talking about, whether it's phone or laptop or whatever. Because Canadian pricing is not Canadian pricing. It's just US pricing times the Canadian dollar exchange rate for the most part. There are exceptions. But our question is, is there such a difference in purchasing power that Canadians should receive different pricing? I actually. I actually kind of think so. It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's complicated because hasn't always historically been so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And our incomes tend to be lower but. But our healthcare costs, such as they

[Linus Sebastian]

are when they come up, generally expenses are lower.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Generally tend to be lower as well. Our gas prices are higher. It's been funny watching Americans freak out about their gas prices. It's just like first time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, welcome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Oh and then meanwhile ours are even worse. Yeah, like dairy's more expensive. There's a lot of stuff that's just like, like plain more expensive. Like cheese. Cheese is so cheap in America. You guys have no idea how good you have it. God, I love cheese.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Games though. Is our purchasing power lower enough that we should have? Probably not. Maybe. Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's tough because any perspective that we have is going to be skewed by our upbringing. Our especially our specific, very self serving to say yes. Yeah, I mean yeah, sure. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to be realistic and I don't know how much of like I, I think the average Canadian has less purchasing power than the average American. That would be a guess. I, I, that feels true. After, after all the, everything comes out of the wash. I feel like that's probably true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But what about median?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Know.

[Linus Sebastian]

No idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Average. I probably, I, I don't actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's also just so different. Like it's, it's actually very, very different being somewhere with socialized Medicare versus being somewhere without.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it really depends. It depends. Do you have a pre existing condition? If you do, you're probably way better off up here. Like, like way better off up here or it depends on your employer too. Like a lot of states have what's called at will employment, which blew me away the first time I heard of, pretty much means that unless you're like specifically a protected class and you can make a solid argument that you were discriminated against in a way that infringes on your personal rights, your employer can basically just be like don't bother coming in tomorrow. Which is like wild to think about in like a modern country. But that's like someone says at will is for all states and I hadn't heard that. I don't, I'm pretty sure that's not true. Montana is the exception. Okay, why don't type in all caps, all states then. It's not all states. Montana's a state for crying out loud, you guys. I was technically correct. Which we all know is the best kind of correct. Yeah. Anyway, so that like, that like blew me away and it's, that's really horrible. And then it compounds when you consider that your employer a lot of the time is tied to like being able to get health care there. Here it's not as much.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just looking into things so like oh man. Employment at will applies only during 6 month probationary period is like a few different states.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

State has public policy examples exemptions. Good faith applies like there's it's in, in classic American style. Every, every single one of them is a fun unique little snowflake of their own rules.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, when we were figuring out taxation rules back when we were starting up floatplane. It's absurd sometimes down to a county level.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would work differently. And we're kind of sitting here going well, well this is Impossible. Surely there must be a service that just does all this for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's really kind of. Of cool in some ways and just horrible in other ones. It's.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

As per usual, there's upsides and downsides to basically everything. I'm not talking about at will, to be clear. I'm talking about just the. The states. All the states being so different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's wild, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like, and there's so many ways to manipulate it. Like the. The whole Vancouver, Washington thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I talked about this a lot back when we were starting up because I was like, the biggest hack seems to be to just live in the other Vancouver because Washington had no income tax of any sort at the time. I think they still don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then Vancouver. Vancouver, Washington is right on the border with Oregon. So a lot of people who live in Vancouver, Washington, from my understanding, would go shop for, like, groceries and essentials and cars and just like anything down in Oregon state where they. Income tax, but no sales tax. So you would get the best of both worlds. No income tax and no sales tax when you go to buy stuff, which is just wild. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's so crazy. And again, I mean, that's. That's like a, you know, an upside to you as an individual. But as Boom just said, legal tax evasion, which is like, potentially bad for the collective. But then it depends, because what is the collective at spending their money on? More bombs, I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Crystal says, oh, yeah, we're at 6% in Cedar Rapids, and then Iowa City, 40 minutes away is 7%. Just. Sure. Yeah, that's. That's wonderful.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who knows? Oh, man. I know multiple online platforms who have looked at taxation in the states and just been like, well, this is basically impossible to solve. We'll just wait until we, like, get in trouble for it. And there are companies who. Their entire premise is, we will help you deal with taxation in the states.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They get it wrong so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who can't handle it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They get it wrong all the time. It has caused their whole job serious problems for us over the years because we actually try to do things properly. It is. It is a. It is. Oh, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Avalara and cry. Avalara isn't perfect either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Right. Yeah, right. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, Avalari again. It right every time. Sure, sure. It's buddy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wild, man. It's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fun times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I've learned this lesson so hard. So bent over, so pants down, like, it's not. Yeah, no, no, it's not.

[Dan Bessler]

Perfect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Blow. Butane just said My state has 80 counties and technically every county is a separate tax district. And then you have to. You have to scale that across all the states and then be on top of what every single one of us

[Luke Lafreniere]

is doing and it changes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man, so cool. Very good. Sick dude.

[Dan Bessler]

3,143 counties. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't realize Dan's mic wasn't open. I guess.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah, sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's what I was reacting to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Hey, but in other good news. Neuralink patient plays World of Warcraft with his thoughts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's right. Neuralink continues to improve. We now have a patient playing World of Warcraft using only his mind. John L. Noble is a veteran who was paralyzed from the shoulders down in 2016. In 2016 is the 18th patient to receive the Neuralink N1 implant. After receiving the implant in December of 2025, Noble has been practicing using a MacBook where using it was second nature. After just three weeks of practice. Whoa. By day 80, he decided to try playing. Wow. He says he is rating and exploring Azeroth. Hands free, full speed, no mouse, no keyboard, just intention.

[Linus Sebastian]

And what's crazy about that is like I've got the video up here. What's crazy about that is like you can see at the bottom of his screen here for people haven't played before, all these little tiles. Those are different like skills and abilities. So he's using all these different things. It seems like you can see his middle mouse cursor. Do you see this thing? I'm trying to point at it with, with mine, but you can see like a circle kind of floating around. So it looks like he's mostly playing the game through. I think, I think right here. I think this is like movement inputs. I'm not entirely sure. No, no, he's moving without that because you can tell he's. He's. His most cursor's up there, but he has all these different abilities and he's playing the game still. And I don't know like, you know to what degree he's able to do multiple inputs at a time or whatever. Like I have no idea. But the fact that he can play.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

All I'm in is what you're doing it. I mean, you're letting Elon put some chips in your brain.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't want him to do it personally. No,

[Linus Sebastian]

but you'd put a more interested in putting babies chip. Yeah, you'd put an Elon backed chip in your brain.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean

[Linus Sebastian]

if I was in this state I would do it immediately. I would sign up immediately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

As of this second. No, I don't want to do it for myself. But yeah, dude, if I'm paralyzed, like, sign me up. This sounds amazing. I'm, like, very happy about that. That sounds really, really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That looks like such a huge quality of life change.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I. Wow. Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

World changing. Can you imagine if he had just stayed focused on doing cool stuff?

[Linus Sebastian]

There is some. There's some. This is cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, but just the focus. The focus seems to have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I went the wrong direction.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I want to talk about the 9950X3D. Yeah. AMD announced this super cool chip. Okay? We're talking 16 Zen 5 cores. We're talking full 3D V cache on both tiles. Got all the 3D V cache. It's a no compromises processor like we've never seen before. And hear me out. I propose that AMD makes it really expensive. Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. Hold on one sec, one sec. I'm gonna get there. Okay. I propose that AMD goes full, like Extreme Edition, like FX Classic on this. They make it. They make it a really expensive Halo flagship thing that most people can't afford. They take that money, they take that bushel of money that they got and give us a freaking modern Ryzen 3 for once in a couple of generations. Did anybody else notice this? Where is Ryzen 3 in the current product stack? Yeah, even the Zen 4 generation Ryzen 3 desktop SKUs, the 8300G and the 8300 GE were only one Zen 4 core and three Zen 4C cores. We haven't had. We don't have a Zen 3, a Zen 5 Ryzen 3. Even though, like, when did Zen 5 freaking launch? When did Zen 5 launch? Remember when AMD used to launch the whole stack and you could buy anything from a threadripper all the way down to a Ryzen 3 and we were G2G. It was only dictated by, you know, how much money you had to spend. Zen 5 launched in August of 2024. We are over two and we're over a year and a half into Zen 5. And we don't have a Ryzen 3 yet. Bring it back.

[Linus Sebastian]

That'd be sweet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Give me a Ryzen 3. Because realistically, nobody needs this chip. This is not a chip that anybody needs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I didn't say it's not cool. I said that nobody needs it pretty sweet. The 9850 or the 9950 x 3D already exists with one 3D V cache die and then a regular one. The 9800 x 3D exists with eight cores that are all 3D V cache. If you just don't want to deal with any kind of latency issues across multiple dies. The 9850x3D also exists if you want a slightly faster that.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you think they're gonna do next? Naming scheme?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, we're up to a 10 again. I mean intel just went for it and was like 10 all the things and then stop. What did Nvidia do? Nvidia skipped 10 and did 20 if I recall correctly, right? No, no, no. 10 was goaded, right? 1080. What am I talking about?

[Linus Sebastian]

Super goaded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Windows. Windows just cloud.

[Linus Sebastian]

We don't need to learn from them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They went straight from 8.1. They went for it for 10. Yeah, 10. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they just go. Yeah, maybe they just go 10. 10. Whatever. I. Whatever. I don't that this is a distraction. I want a Ryzen 3. So this cool chip sounds super cool and is really interesting. Nobody really needs it. I'm gonna die on that hill. Nobody needs a 9950x3D2. If you're all about the gaming, you can get a 9800 or 9850x3D. If you're all about the multi core, you can get a 9850X3D, not two. You can get the regular one and you could still game and still do multi core things on it all day if that pleases you. Nobody needs this chip. So AMD price it really high. Take that bushel of money and use it to make a Zen 3 or a Zen 5. Ryzen 3. It's time. It's finally time. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. No balls. Do it. Do it. That's it. I just wanted to talk about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know how to pronounce this. Why did Byro did something on full Plane chats? It pointed out that during the WAN show, assuming we don't kill it in the next couple minutes, but like during the wan show, the Artemis 2 will be closer to the moon than to Earth.

[Dan Bessler]

Earth.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty cool, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When I was looking at the speed that they were going like how many thousands of miles per second was or

[Linus Sebastian]

whatever, a lot of people realized during that launch how freaking far away the moon is because they're like, wait, wait, why isn't it that close to the moon yet? It's like, yeah, it's gonna be a while, dude. It's. Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's the. What's. What's. What's the. What's the speed of it? Speed of our. To miss 2 per second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's like 20.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like completely obscene. 25,000 miles per hour or roughly 7 miles per second. Sorry, I had that wrong before. According to AI Overview. Hold on a second. Okay, Wikipedia.

[Linus Sebastian]

24 something is what it's currently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's see, 25,000 mile per miles per hour, says Wikipedia. 4,000 kilometers an hour. That's like. It's just. It's unfathomable to go 11 kilometers a second. Freaking think about 11 kilometers. Okay, I'm going on Google Maps. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm on. I'm on Google Maps, boys. Okay, time to not have anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those numbers are wrong. Oh, cool. Are they Someone at full beam chest just yelling,

[Luke Lafreniere]

no, it's fine. Down. I checked.

[Dan Bessler]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so hold on. Where's the little. Yes, here we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is a cool site. Issinfo.netartemis that's so cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? It is cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you can see. So they're listing the velocity in kilometers and seconds. So not how we were just doing it, but 1.39 kilometers per second. That's wild. And, yeah, you can see the Earth and moon differences. So the Earth is currently 217,500 km away. And the Moon is currently 22,855 km away.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Away.

[Linus Sebastian]

What a cool website.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So check this out. Check this out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. At this scale on Google Maps. Okay, 1 km is right here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It ends, like, right there. It ends. Oh, no. It ends a little farther. Oh, man. Okay. Get rid of us, Dan. Forget it. Everything I own in a box.

[Linus Sebastian]

Then he has to worry about what. Okay, never mind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're fine. Okay. You happy? Also, you don't have to do work.

[Dan Bessler]

Work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I understand. I get it. Okay, so that's a kilometer. That's a kilometer. So this is probably about 15 clicks. 15 seconds to go from Langley to Alder Grove.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's pretty sick. That's fantastic. Yeah. Current. At the current moment, the velocity I realized on here. Sorry, I. I didn't notice this, but there's a little switch here. You can switch from Columbia kilometers to miles, and for some reason, the velocity comes. Goes from kilometers per second to miles per hour, but sure. So in miles Per hour, It's at effectively 3100.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, that's because kilometers per second is meters per second, which is sciencey stuff. Yeah. That actually, like, kind of checks out for Americans that use metric for stuff that matters and then use imperial for, like, daily life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, yeah. But yeah, it will. It will cry. It will cross the threshold of being closer to the moon than the Earth, during which show, which is just so sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Godspeed.

[Linus Sebastian]

So cool. Day 3 of 10, Lunar flyby in 2 days, 21 hours and 39 minutes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can't hardly wait.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sick, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't believe they're gonna like, like human eyes on the back.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's cool. It's freaking sweet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very cool. You know what else is kind of hard?

[Linus Sebastian]

To not be inspired by this stuff, man. Like, I, I. You see, like, he's gonna do it again. Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You did this once already in the show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly, it's by, by grace that you're only getting two so far. I've seen a bunch of sentiment online of people being genuinely, like, positively inspired by something that's happening in the world, which is so rare right now, and I think worth just so, so much. I'll keep it at that. But yeah, it's awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Agreed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anthropic, the company behind Cloud, which is how I pronounce it, accidentally leaked the entire source code of Cloud Code AI powered coding assistant on March 31st. It was not an April Fool's joke. The leak happened because someone at Anthropic left a source map file in the npm package for Claude code version 2.1.88. Source maps are debugging tools that aren't supposed to ship in production. And this one point you to a zip archive on Anthropic Zone cloud storage containing the full code base. Technical background on source maps. Basically, when code gets compiled for distribution, it becomes unreadable, and a source map is a reference file that links the scrambled code back to the original. So including one is essentially handing out directions to your entire code base. Security researcher Chaofen Xu spotted it and shared the finding publicly. Within hours, the code was mirrored across GitHub. Being forked to worked 50,000 times before anthropic could do anything about it. Anthropic confirmed the leak in a statement saying this was a release packaging issue caused by human error, not a security breach. That's good, actually. And that no customer data or credentials were exposed. Anthropic then filed DMCA notices against over 8,000 GitHub repositories, but accidentally took down thousands of legitimate forks of their own public repo in the process forcing them to walk back most of the takedowns. Whoops. I mean, I can see how during a crisis people might just kind of be. It rarely makes the crisis better, but I understand it. Meanwhile, a clean slate rewrite called claw code hit 10,000 stars in a single day, making it the fastest growing repository in GitHub history. This is actually the second time that clouds cloud code source has been exposed in just over a year. Our Discussion Question it feels like the advent of vibe coding is expanding the threat surface for digital infrastructure, creating opportunities for malicious actors to damage infra and also for own goal situations like this. Do you think there's a point where we turn the corner and walk back the fragility we've built into these systems? Hahaha, very funny. No, very optimistic though. Thank you for writing that. Discussion Question what else do we what else do we have, Mr. Luke?

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's see here. That one's kind of Microsoft didn't convince me, but Microsoft says it's going to before you start.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Before you start. Okay, I got a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Microsoft says it's Going to Improve Windows Search. Sure. I like it. Microsoft's Pavan Davy recently released a blog post entitled Our Commitment to Windows Quality. I think we talked about that on wan, where numerous pledges were made to improve the current state of Windows Windows Shell product head Tally Roth has been actively replying to user feedback claiming improvements coming to Windows Search, stating simpler and less distracting are definitely in the mix. Some of the focuses Microsoft is working on are that installed apps appear instantly and consistently, Core system components are always discoverable, and local files are ranked higher than external suggestions. Wow. How the did it take you this long?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is my naive I believe you face by the way that I've been doing this whole time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How are we supposed to trust a company that didn't prioritize all of that in the first place?

[Linus Sebastian]

Insane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is still good news when news though, because publicly acknowledging they're saying it.

[Linus Sebastian]

At least they it's a step.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At least they know it's a step.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh it's a step. At least vaguely in the correct direction. I don't know if I'm going to say confidently enough that it is in the right direction. I hope because there hasn't I haven't seen the action from it yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Angry People Panda PC says How hard was this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe it's not a step.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're gonna we're gonna stop the. We're gonna stop the orphan. The orphan grinding machine yeah, like why did you have one? Yeah, like I. Thank you. But, but, but why. Why was it ever turned on in the first place? And who kept putting orphans in it?

[Linus Sebastian]

So I, I think it's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kit and Full point Chat said intentions of a step. I think that's more accurate. It's not that they stepped in the right direction. It's maybe that they like looked that way at least once and thought about it. They're. They're thinking about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No key in the chat. It's almost like indexing search and making it offline only was the whole point of search. Yeah, that's what an index does, isn't it? Am I misunderstanding?

[Linus Sebastian]

Desperately. Desperately. Never need search to look at the Internet ever. And it shouldn't for anyone. And that sucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wouldn't mind it as a toggle.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Toggle would be fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's right. It's right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Starts off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's right there.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would be fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it should use whatever browser I tell it and not ever change it. Ever. Not even one time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was the most angry I've ever been about good news. Yeah, but it's still good news. I'm still feeling good.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's that whole pain of fixing fixing thing. They might be fixing it, it might be happening. But it's been so long and so frustrating and so annoying that it just, it's, you know, you rip the band aid off, it feels bad. You, you cut open in order to do surgery that is painful, it feels bad, you need to blah, blah, blah, blah. There's like, there's negative parts to fixing things. And I think this has been so frustrating for so long and there's been so many seemingly bad intentions involved that it's just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, this is cool. Researchers have developed ground penetrating Wi Fi tech with a 100 meter range. This magnetic induction method of transmitting signals underground could help reach people who are trapped or lost. South Korea's Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute has demonstrated wireless communication 100 meters underground using magnetic induction rather than traditional radio frequencies which get absorbed by soil and rock pretty much immediately. The System uses a 1 meter loop transmitting antenna on the surface and a small handheld receiving sensor and was tested in a limestone environment, specifically chosen because it's one of the worst possible conditions for radio signals. The data rate is not high, just 2 to 4 kilobits per second, but that's enough for voice communication. ETRI is already working to shrink the technology into something that could fit in a smartphone with potential applications in mine rescues. And underground construction. Our discussion question is they're already looking at putting it in smartphones. Well, if magnetic induction can punch through 100 meters of solid rock, what does that mean for connectivity in places that have never had it before? I remember I did a really cool course in high school that was just called technology. Imagine, you know, me being interested in that. And our final project was a submarine. So you had to put three motors on it so that it would have full six axis of. Six axes of movement, and you had to achieve neutral buoyancy. So the. The final exam for it was you had to put it into a tank. It had to never touch the top, never touch the bottom, and then you had to, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually sounds pretty complicated.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Navigate. Yeah, it was super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's wicked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was simpler than it sounds because, like, our controller or so. So part of the project was waterproofing the motors. So we embedded them in film canisters, which were a thing when I was in high school. We embedded. They were readily available. We embedded them in lots of projects like that and then sealed them in like paraffin wax. So we had to make the motors waterproof. Then we had to run lines to them. And we just had, like, an umbilical cord that went up to a controller that was essentially just three toggle switches so you could toggle your motor forward, off, or backwards. And anyway, so, yeah, you had to do a thing. And it had to not touch the surface, not touch the walls of the tub, and not touch the bottom. Not a bathtub like a tank. Anyway, it was a real hassle. That umbilical cord. That umbilical cord sideways. I got a good mark, and I did manage to achieve the mission objective, but it wasn't exactly flexible. And so having that umbilical cord on, it sucked. Could we use this for underwater, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, very interesting. Like, controls live streams underwater. Right now you have to run a cable. Yeah, yeah. You just have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just communication in general. My understanding is you just, like, have to run a cable. Yeah, that would be so cool. Yeah, yeah. Lowlander. Yeah. Land party in a cave.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what the appetite would be for pretty much content. I think it's one of the first things that our dear friend Austin Evans sent me this morning.

[Linus Sebastian]

Spacelander.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He goes highlander to my friend because he saw yesterday's video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So for those who are relatively new to the channel, we hiked to the top of Mount Elbert with some of our friends in the tech space, including Austin Evans, and we got a Guinness World record for the world's highest elevation land party, which was actually broken, which I love, because in a way that legitimizes the fact that anyone else even wanted to legitimizes what we did, in my opinion.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah,

[Luke Lafreniere]

we got one. I wouldn't call it good news. I don't know what kind of news to call it because.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, sorry, one sec. With, with. With way with portable routers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh. The military apparently uses ultra low frequency RF for underwater. But I don't know, would this be better? Anyway, carry on.

[Linus Sebastian]

With portable routers. And if you don't want to count phones like Steam decks and stuff, it would be so much easier these days because we had that like lead acid battery.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah. Like to do a LAN party.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, 100% with like little tiny puck routers and stuff now, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah. Anyways, okay, so basically what I am, what I am trying to, what I'm trying to understand here, there's a bit of growing antagonism towards Ubiquiti, the networking company. So let's, let's go through this and then let's, and then let's talk about it because I'm trying to, I'm trying to wrap my brain around it a little bit here. Members of the self described anti authoritarian art movement Pussy Riot have occupied Ubiquiti's Manhattan headquarters, accusing the American tech company of powering Russian war crimes. Since the disabling of Starlink, Russian soldiers have been said to favor Ubiquiti hardware as a replacement.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which I must say is automatically confused.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So just a second, just a second. Well. Oh, the long range dishes, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just not the same thing though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not. The group has demanded that Ubiquiti obey U.S. sanctions, acknowledge Russian military use, work with Ukraine to stop it. Yahoo Finance noted back in January that Ubiquiti products were legally sold in Russia until February of 2022. Also noted that Ubiquiti relies heavily on third party distribution sales partners rather than making direct sales to end users. Okay, okay, this is one of the things that I had wanted to talk about because I heard about this a

[Linus Sebastian]

long time ago, but that was my understanding was that they weren't selling it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so this kind of showed up in my Twitter feed a little bit and I was like, okay, hold on a second. And I'm wondering if the people demanding this understand fully what they're asking for right now. Ubiquiti is one of the few and at their scale, the only, like network infrastructure companies that is not trying to turn Everything into a gate kept cloud subscription service for the hardware that you

[Linus Sebastian]

bought with like insane amounts of them having the ability to track and stack,

[Luke Lafreniere]

sniff and blah blah, blah and shut down hardware that you own. Yeah, it feels to me like ubiquity. I have not seen any actual evidence that Ubiquity is complicit in any way. They're certainly profiting. If their third party resellers are buying Ubiquity equipment and breaking the law and they could. And selling it to Russia, they could be.

[Linus Sebastian]

They, they could know what one of those third party sellers is facilitating that and still be working with them. I have no idea that they might.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't seen.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would be a bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I haven't seen evidence of that yet. However, it feels like. However, I don't believe that Ubiquiti has taken any actual direct action to profit from this conflict. And I'm a little confused about sort of the demands here because it feels to me like what we're asking is for Ubiquiti to put in backdoor controls that allow network infrastructure to just be turned off remotely because we don't agree with what the user is doing with it. It. Am I missing something? This is one of those ones that I, I am, I am very open to. I don't understand all the dynamics.

[Linus Sebastian]

The almighty Q and Full Point chat said there's reportedly a call with a UI in this case Ubiquity sales rep saying yes, we can send product to Russia. And it did not specify that it was third party. I asked them for a link.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, but even if that were the case, there was this one time that an LMG employee said something that doesn't necessarily mean that leadership knew or approved or agreed.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, if that is a thing that's actively happening, that's still something that you can get up in arms about and then expect them to make a change.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right, but what change are you going to ask for? Do you want them to be able to turn off their network switches?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, oh, oh, I understand. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like if this is, if this is a thing that's happening, even if leadership doesn't know, then they can deal with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So when bingo Chronified says shutting off remote drone connections if they're committing war crimes feels incredibly chaotic. Good. To me. But that's. But the problem is if they can shut off that one, then they can shut off any other one.

[Linus Sebastian]

And Ubiquiti, theoretically, Ubiquity would have no ability to do that, that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. Which to my knowledge, they at this time do not have that built into any of their platforms. So we're asking them to do something that in order for them to do, they would have to fundamentally change their approach of that. When you buy a piece of ubiquity equipment, you like, own it and, and, and do stuff that you see fit with it. It's also such a false equivalency, like Ubiquiti's long range, like dish, like communication dish.

[Linus Sebastian]

So incredibly not Starlink.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not Starlink. It's not low earth orbit Internet. It's. It's like from one fixed position to another. And, and I. Yeah, just Kissool Wildcat says just stop selling to Russia. Right, Right. But if it's going through a, a third party, Ubiquiti is not selling to Russia.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, if they actually are, then like. Okay,

[Luke Lafreniere]

yeah, I mean, if they are, then that's terrible. And I just, I haven't, I haven't seen. I haven't seen evidence. So. Yeah, Kiss Wall Cat says it's not Thor third party, but how do you know? Yeah, you're assuming that because the equipment is new that it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we're, we're waiting right now, so. Well, maybe the stream just went down, but we're waiting right now. So if you guys have a link to any of this, that would be interesting. Almighty Q just linked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Slams Ubiquity for products that keep showing up on the front lines. Okay, do we have proof that they know or where?

[Dan Bessler]

It's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How it's getting there? I mean, theoretically. Okay. Could they. Could they track a serial number by who they sold it to? I mean, the thing you got. I mean, the thing to remember too though, is that even the, even the Ubiquiti reseller may not know. Like, it's not like, it's not like countries like Russia or Iran, countries that are like constantly sanctioned. It's not like they're not familiar with the game. Yeah. Of buying half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here that make it extremely difficult to narrow down exactly which one of your resellers is doing it or even knows. I really do feel like we might be oversimplifying this.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is. This is slightly off topic, but I thought it was really funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

ADOS and Flowpoint Chat linked this picture. I thought it was pretty good. Cisco firewall to protect against Chinese backdoors. Huawei firewall to protect against U.S. backdoors. Checkpoint firewall to protect against Russian backdoors. Fortinet firewall to protect against Israeli backdoors. Palo Alto firewall. I don't know. The cool kids have them PF sense firewall for good luck. And then finally the internal network work. Yeah, I did find this ball.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rid says they've been doing stuff like this for decades. Yeah, pretty much. I don't know man, because like we, like, we work with Ubiquiti a fair bit and so, you know, I want to know if this is, if this is a huge problem. So Wildcat keeps saying the Russians are fielding new equipment in huge volumes. That doesn't actually mean anything. Ubiquiti manufactures networking equipment in huge volumes. Like that doesn't mean that Ubiquiti is selling it direct. You just keep saying the same thing. That doesn't change anything though. Okay. The almighty Q says more than a decade after Ubiquiti was fined for reckless disregard for sanctions obligations when its products ended up in Iran, Hunter Brook found Ubiquiti products may still be flowing there. Current official distributor listed on Ubiquiti's website, Yemen based Alphatec may be operating branches in Shiraz and Tehran according to its own Persian language advertisements. In 2014, regulators find ubiquity after at least 600 grand of prohibited equipment was diverted to sanctioned. Something I think that got cut off by. Okay, so we're going to have to. Clearly we're going to have to look into a little bit more. But what I will say is that if Ubiquiti knows that's terrible. Step one and step two, if the thing we're asking for is for them to have central control of the networking equipment that they sell, I don't know that I can get behind that. That.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't, I don't know if they do or not, but yeah, if

[Luke Lafreniere]

they do have, if they are able to turn off networking equipment remotely, to my knowledge, they can't.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought you were saying something else. My bad. I. I only heard part of what you said. Noki said, I didn't find a call, but I did find this. A screenshot from an email response from a sales manager from nag, an online IT retailer that sells Ubiquiti items and was once an official ubiquity reseller, also known as. They aren't now, according to an archived 2014 Ubiquiti webpage. In the email, the sales manager clarified that delivery to the occupied territories would take seven or eight days. It's like, okay, like if we, if we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This seems like non tech People not really understanding what they're protesting for the most part. Part. But that's what it seems like. Unless Ubiquity knows and is facilitating this in any way.

[Linus Sebastian]

We also haven't exactly done, like, an overwhelming amount of research here to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, we haven't. That's why I presented this the way I did. Like, I. I'm. I'm taking only conditional positions here because I do not have all of the information that I would need.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And Drac, Ryu, I've heard this as well. Somewhat infamously, the US bought titanium from the Russians to build the SR71 to use against the Russians. The government set up shell companies to buy things from a foreign enemy to counter the foreign enemy. Like, I don't know. But then, that being said, like. Like we were saying earlier, if they're doing this knowingly, like, if Ubiquity is very. If they're like, oh, yeah, this distributor very obviously just resells their stuff to Russia, then they should stop working with them. Seems to show good details. All right, I'm. Check this out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I mean, we can. We can take this offline because we've. We've got to get to. When? After dark. Mr. Dan, you want to do the thing?

[Dan Bessler]

Oh, yeah, sure. If we're there, let's do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Maybe people don't understand the products that Ubiquiti is selling because, like, this link that was like, oh, this one has good detail. Like, Ubiquity has stayed silent, unlike SpaceX. SpaceX, who has the ability to turn it off, Ubiquity, who doesn't, and its CEO, Robert Pera, owner of Memphis Grizzlies. Sure. Have not publicly commented on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If I was him, I wouldn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is there to say?

[Linus Sebastian]

Most prominent manufacturer of WI FI bridges.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, is he going to. Like, is he going to sit down and explain to people how networking works? He can. I actually had dinner with him once. It was. He's super smart guy. Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ubiquity's products appear to be widely available in Russia, mostly sourced from distributors in, it says, third countries such as Kazakhstan and Turkey. Hunter Brook found. One Ukrainian communications officer told the outlet that an estimated 80% of the Russian bridges he observed near the front line had come from Ubiquity. Russian units often receive the bridges from volunteers who purchased them husbands using crowdfunded money. So, like, what are we talking about? Oh, my God, I don't know. Again, there might be more information other

[Luke Lafreniere]

than this, but, like, so Ubiquiti made a thing. I Mean, this to me feels a little bit like, you know, storming Linus Torvalds home office because sanctioned countries are using Linux. Like, I just. What do you want them to do about it? It. And I'm. Like I said, we've worked with Ubiquiti. This is a full disclosure, guys. We've worked with Ubiquiti extensively in the past. If they are actually participating in this, then, yeah, condemn. But I haven't seen any actual evidence of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it was so awesome. When they lost Starlink access, the impact of that was enormous. Like, I wouldn't want this to be helping them, obviously, but like, if, if, you know, if it came out that a bunch of Russian soldiers had LTT backpacks because people were crowdsourced buying LTT

[Luke Lafreniere]

backpacks, shipping them to, like, we can't

[Linus Sebastian]

remote Pakistan and then the LTT backpacks. So like, I. I don't know. There might be more to this story. There absolutely could be more to this story. There might be information that we don't have right now. You know, flipping chat, linking us stuff is. Is usually pretty good, but it might not have all of the information. Someone linked the call from the vendor. We can't necessarily listen to this right now, but it's also a call from a vendor.

[Dan Bessler]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's okay. Theoretically. Not them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I don't think we have to stay on this topic any longer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For now.

[Linus Sebastian]

If they do know that distributors that they're working with are doing this, then I expect them to stop working with them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Mr. Dan. Oh, wow. Your fingers are still busy over there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

I was not expecting to do 400 today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did we move through the rest of the coins?

[Dan Bessler]

We did quite a few. I don't. I'm surprised that people didn't think that

[Luke Lafreniere]

they were, you know, I mean, we did launch it on March 31, North America time. I think we ended up launching our April Fool's joke around like two hours after it was April 1st in the first time zone. So a lot of people were like not ready for it and like legitimately butt hurt about us doing an ICO or being acquired. I had. I had one person. I think I actually. Did I. Did I send this one to you or did I just screenshot it? It was so fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Funny. That was pretty funny. I don't know if everyone's gonna. Yeah, but that was pretty funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

The funny part was that it. The writing style was so exactly identical that it's like obviously the same person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on. I'm not sure which comment? You're talking about the. I'm talking about the one where. Oh, no, not that. Not that. Someone was like, like explaining to me, like, mansplaining. They wrote me a whole paragraph mansplaining that. A company called FOMO Foundry. Literally, it's fomo. It's like about capitalizing on people's fear of missing out. And it's so. It's so negative and just like, bro. Yes, that's the joke. Oh my God. Right now. Oh, man. Yeah. Yes, we get it. Oh man. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the criticism that we take for stuff like this centers on people thinking they are so much smarter than us that we couldn't have possibly understood their analysis of the thing that we gave to them to understand.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you know, we do miss things sometimes, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Maybe just. Maybe just go touch some grass. Are we doing this topic?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which one? I don't know. I don't know. It feels like more like part of After Dark. Okay, question for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Should LTT Gamerjet Q&A be a WAN show topic or should it realistically just be a follow up video? Because people have a lot of questions about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, follow up video is not a terrible idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah,

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, is it a terrible idea? It might be a terrible idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe it's a terror. Maybe it's a terrible idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you want to talk about it more?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, there's clearly a lot of things that people want to know about. I'm just trying to. Chewy. Chewy sent me a couple things like, he sent me a couple like, summary things. Do it, coward. Do it, coward. Is that a dare? Oh, what's it. Who's. What's the Disney character?

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that a challenge?

[Linus Sebastian]

Would the follow up video be technically based or is it just talking about the fact that you bought a jet?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be answering people's questions about it. So, like some of the things that have come up, for instance, then I

[Linus Sebastian]

don't know if I would do another video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, how do you reconcile this with past stances on the WAN show, for instance.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, so I wouldn't do a video on that. I would just cover it on WAN Show. My reasoning for that, when we talk about another. I think. I think LTT's channel has been semi losing its way for a bit. We've talked about this quite a bit and I think a Q and A about the jet that you bought isn't sparking a passion for technology.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm way more interested in like talking about the AI trend and like memory prices going down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Quite frankly. So.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I wouldn't make a dedicated video on that that's taking up a. An upload slot. We can talk about it on WAN Show. You should address the questions on WAN show, all that kind of stuff. For sure, sure. But.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So, okay, for starters, there's a few things that I already know so you guys don't have to type it in the floatplane chat or. Actually, Dan, is there a bunch of stuff in the checkout messages about this? Should we just do this after and see what we end up addressing already?

[Dan Bessler]

I said mostly that it was going to be in a topic in the future, but most of them were going to end up being sort of questions that you would pretty much answer anyway.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so there's a. There's There was a lot of questions about like, moderation across our social platforms in the days leading up to the big reveal. And the simple answer to that is that between the third party moderation teams, who are community volunteers, our team internally and me, we didn't have clear alignment on what was moderated, what wasn't moderated. But where it all came from was from a place of. For the love of God, guys, we're announcing this in like two days. Can we just. Can we have our fun? And can we make a big announcement and can we make a splash on April Fools?

[Linus Sebastian]

We were so it was for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We work really hard to make our April Fools very, very big and very special every year. And so I think there ended up being a little bit of confusion about. Because we've allowed some threads to stay up about it. Yeah, but they've been small. They've not really gained a ton of momentum and they were a long time ago. And it makes sense that in the, like, days leading up to the big announcement that, that, you know. Yeah, obviously people were going to. People have known for months. Some people have known literally for months that our April Fools this year was going to involve the tech jet.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Reddit knew.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

For months.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Classic Reddit. Yeah, you did it, Reddit. So in terms of moderation regarding the jet, I don't really think there is any guidelines with respect to moderation of the jet yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's your.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Other than.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, I was going to say what is your ongoing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, ongoing. I would say anything that in any way compromises the safety or comfort of anyone on our team, me, my family, anyone to do with that is just obviously like, no, doy. Going to be immediately removed and immediately perma. Banned. Like, that's just kind of obvious. I've. I've had some people, you know, ask how to reconcile that with previous statements that I've made on the WAN show. And I think that's pretty simple. I never claimed that I was running a platform that allowed absolutely any speech, never said that, and it's not true today. So by all means, you know, do whatever you're going to do, but that doesn't entitle you to do it on our forum or on our subreddit or in our videos, anything like that. I've had a lot of people ask about, okay, what's your strategy with respect to carbon credits? And I'm going to tell you guys the exact same thing that I told the writing team because we had kind of an impromptu chat between me and the writers because they're the ones who are probably going to be most impacted by it because their projects, potentially, they're going to be coming with me or doing whatever. They're the ones that are most likely using along with the production crew. And so one of the things that came up was like, okay, well, you know, someone not going to name any names basically was like, okay, well, what are we doing about carbon offsets? And then someone immediately was like, those are bullshit. And they kind of started arguing about it. And I said, hey, guys, that right there is why just like any charitable stuff that we do, that's going to stay between me and Yvonne on because no matter what I say about it, it's going to make someone extremely angry. And I just don't. I don't feel like it. I don't feel like having that conversation. It's going to be Schrodinger's how we're handling this. And whatever works for your head cannon, you can tell yourself that. So we're going to leave that alone. I've been asked how I reconcile saying that I was against it before. I've said both that I'm against it it and I have also said that I'd like to try it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you say that you'd like to try it publicly?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's on my show clip. I said. I said I'd like to try it. As for the justification, I like Warren Buffett's line, so I'm going to steal it. He called his first jet the indefensible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay,

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't. I don't think there's any justification. What justification? What I will say is that from a business standpoint, it has been far less stupid than I might have initially imagined. That trip down to San Francisco for ARM was done in a single day. We went down there in the morning, very early in the morning. Didn't love that part, but we went down there in the morning. We were able to attend the keynote. We saw the entire event. We saw the demos, we wrote a script, we shot it, we flew home early, which has never happened before. And this is while the US Airports were a complete cluster bomb.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you been able to sleep on the plane yet?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. It's a funny thing. This didn't end up making it into the video that I shot with Elijah, but in some ways, it's actually a little bit. There's one way that it is a little bit less comfortable, and that is the social pressure, because I kind of feel like I'm hosting everyone else who's on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think you'd need to, but I understand.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, but I mean, you've seen it. Like, even our cabin crew member, like, I. I. You know, I don't want to be. I don't. I never want to be rude,

[Linus Sebastian]

you

[Luke Lafreniere]

know, And I feel like it's like if someone was in my living room and I was just napping, I'd feel really awkward. And so far, I'm not over that at all on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I managed to get about 15 minutes of shut eye on the way down to the. The ARM event, but that was only because I had wicked insomnia the night before, and I functionally hadn't slept. And even then, I only was able to sleep for, like, a little bit. I just want to see if there's. There's. There's a couple things that I had written down that people are bringing up a lot that I'd want to kind of talk about. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No. Yeah, I think. I think that's about it. All right. Dan, was there anything else in, like. Like, almost called them checkout chats? No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, here's a question.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, The.

[Linus Sebastian]

The WAN show where you said that you were against it, and the WAN show where you said that you'd be interested in trying it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think those are different WAN shows, if I recall correctly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is there a. What's the chronological order of that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I actually don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. I didn't look that close because I wonder, like, what. What do you think might have changed? I know part of the. It was being surprised or this particular deal or whatever being so good. Is that. Is that. Do you think that's the majority of it, or you think something else changed?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's a combination of things. I think it's the. It's the deal being way better than I expected. And honestly, the biggest one is my uncle being involved. So I've got. There's a couple people in floatplane chat that are asking about how are we handling pilots? So my uncle is a pilot, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

His line in the video, he's always like that, how do you. How do you make something. He is so simple, so complicated or whatever. He said he is one of the

[Luke Lafreniere]

funniest people I've ever met. He's so funny and he's just. He's like such a. He has such a. Almost serious until you know him. Like, he could be almost like kind of serious and a little scary until you know him really well and you realize that he's like such a joker. I don't know. He's. He's. He's really cool. I. I wish, I wish he wanted to be on camera because you guys would freaking love him. He's. He's awesome. Anyway, so he's. So. He's handling the operation. He's a pilot. He has mechanic experience as well. Like, he's just so experienced. And what I said in the video is true, true. He told me, don't do it, but if you're going to do it, let's do this together. I'm literally going to drop everything. Like, he was working and he's like, I'm just going to not renew my contracts and let's do it. And he has made it accessible. A lot of people have pointed out that I don't have private aircraft money. And that is extremely true. True. Like, obviously, I've. I've done okay. Obviously. But what the kinds of people. What the kinds of people that I encounter, you know, in the little. The little FBOs, the little, like, private airports and stuff, they don't dress like me, they don't talk like me, they don't behave like me. I feel extremely out of place.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really fancy hair. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, did you feel a little out of place?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember the carpet they rolled out for that dog?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You were there for that one, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think so. Or you told me. I don't remember if this is a manufactured memory or not.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, so doing this with my uncle and him enabling it through, just safety first, but just being scrappy and finding ways to make it economical has been really fun. I've learned so much. Like, so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the most. The most fun I had was when we were flying back from New York and I didn't know there's a third seat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

When I just sat there talking to them because I hunched there, I thought I was inconvenient. Yeah. Not sat there. I was standing hunched over their seats. I thought I was inconveniencing them. But then every time I'd go to leave, they'd keep talking to me. And then I ended up staying there for a really long time for like

[Luke Lafreniere]

two plus hours, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. After a while, I kind of got the vibe that I was not inconveniencing them. And then I just hung out for a long time and it was really fun talking to them about how the machine, to use his language, how the machine works, because, like, that's going to be way more interesting to me than anything else.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, 100%.

[Linus Sebastian]

And just hearing all the theory and watching them go through the motion of how you deal with, like logging fuel usage and dealing with weather events through the course of. I didn't realize you would have a chart of all of the different expected weather events for the entire trip, and then you'd have to compare that against what it actually felt like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And they have adjusting altitudes. They have the old school way and they have their iPads.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And one of them would do the old school written way and the other one would do the iPad way. And then they would compare notes. And it's just. So the whole thing was. That was very fun. That was actually. That was super cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then, yeah, the last piece was the content piece. And I actually really wish I'd talked about this more in the video, but this has already unlocked the ability to do things that just would have been either from a. Oh, shoot, what's the term for it? A opportunity cost standpoint or from just a time and logistics standpoint, completely impossible. We wouldn't have been able to do the WAN show live from Zero Trust World with Threat Locker if it wasn't for this. Luke. This is hilarious. He made a comment as we were. As we were going back to the airport in order to fly back. That last time he went down to Zero Trust World, he spent so long traveling to get down there that we were already leaving by the time he would have still been traveling to arrive there.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was a bit of a special thing because I landed, I had a connection through Toronto and that was when the. The plane and the helicopter smacked into each other or something. I think that was the one. But the whole airport was having disaster and then I ended up having to stay there overnight and all this kind of stuff. But still that did happen. So, yeah. It's also kind of difficult, as far as my understanding goes, to. To get a direct flight from Vancouver to Florida. So being able to just do it yourself is a pretty big skip in regards to time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's pretty crazy. And so from a business standpoint, there have already been multiple things that we've kind of looked at and gone. This is less stupid than it might initially seem.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a little.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's very stupid. Of course. And then this is another thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not as stupid, stupid as you thought.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is another thing that I, That I wish I had talked about more in the video. But, like, I mean, it was a very free wheel. It wasn't scripted. Elijah and I were just hanging out and checking it out. He'd never seen it yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there's a couple points where I thought it was scripted.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it's not scripted.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we're just that good. But yeah, it's, It's. It's intended to be very temporary. Like, this is, this is not.

[Linus Sebastian]

How long do you kind of want to keep it for?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, my uncle's getting old. He's. He's not going to be flying forever. And so this was, this was the window if I wanted to cosplay as a billionaire or Taylor Swift or whatever. By the way, fun fact. Fun fact. This is another thing I now have in common with Taylor Swift.

[Linus Sebastian]

He loves this. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Big thighs. And both of us once at some point owned a Falcon 900B. She apparently used to have a Falcon 900B. She has a, like, way, way better jet now. But. But yeah, yeah, I just, I thought that was. I thought that was funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

I, I immediately. If they had the same one, but apparently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, not this one.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was going to ask, is there, Is there a thing, like, I know there's a decent amount of pilots that aren't the youngest. Is that, Is that a profession that you age out of earlier, though? It feels like it could be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It depends. So for commercial, you age out sooner. And then for things like firefighting, which

[Linus Sebastian]

is

[Luke Lafreniere]

really, really, really challenging work, from my understanding, you can age out of later. And then corporate aviation, you age out of later. So, like, like the big. The big. Well, the big jumbo jets with hundreds of people on them, you age out of first, is my understanding.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's not difficulty, it's risk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So my uncle makes sense.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So my uncle is allowed to do what we're doing as long as his health continues to check out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And, you know, whatever limitations there are, I'M not an expert on the subject. I've just learned what I've learned from talking to him about it. This is it. This is the window. This was our opportunity to do this. This is one of those things that like I've seen a lot of, I've seen a lot of feedback about, you know, well, couldn't you have used that to pay people more? We've talked extensively about our compensation over the last little while and how does LMG spend money? We're, we're above norms. If someone is not making as much as they would have liked here, then I've made it very clear in the past then you should have a conversation about whatever that is, whatever reason that is. We've scaled our comp both individually and across the entire company very healthily. Especially when you consider the overall macroeconomic conditions over the last few years. The numbers are just the numbers and if there's someone who disagrees then they might need to do some introspection at some point about why their number was their number. That's all. And I don't wish anybody ill. Will really do want the best for everyone who's here, whether it's here, whether it's somewhere else and that's totally fine and it's totally healthy to move on and do something somewhere else as well. But in terms of sort of the cost here year, it's not coming out of what we would have spent for, for HR at all. It's coming directly out of what would have normally been profit for the company.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So when we calculate our profit, we're not going to, we're not going to compare this year to last year without taking it out out basically. Okay, yeah, sure, yeah, I'm not, I'm not. And, and it's not a sustainable thing forever as well. I recognize that this is not something that we're going to be able to do forever. My uncle's not going to be able to do this forever. But while it's happening it's been, it's been pretty cool to hang with him and, and do this together.

[Linus Sebastian]

So if something happens negatively because of company performance. Yeah the, the, the jet would have been deleted from that equation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So last year was a tricky year. I mean we talked about this in, in our all hands recently. Q1 went really well. We, it ended up being a perfect storm. The ship storm sale event like practically saved the year last year and then our projections for the rest of the year were actually looking really good because we were way ahead due to Shipstorm and then what is it that corporate leaders like to call it? Headwinds.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, it's an apt metaphor right now. Headwinds hit. But the trigger had already been pulled. There was no real like backing out

[Linus Sebastian]

at that point because like we've talked on Wancho about how the channels are doing worse and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I mean, if you look at LTT channel over the last month, ish. It's been a bloodbath, to be completely honest. There was like, There was the MacBook video and the Linux video that just banged.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then Bloatware did okay. And then TikTok tactics did really well as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. That'll. That'll be a slow burn. That one will do really well in the long term.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then it started to just kind of like the fire truck video was rough. And then we scraped a million a few times. And then the. This video was. And then this video which like should have slapped but nobody's building computers right now, so it didn't do that well. And then a long burn build guide thing and then this video, which that build guide care about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That build guide I'm legitimately not worried about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. One long burn, like I said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So let me give you the glass half full side of this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The fire truck videos were committed a long time ago. We knew they weren't going to be performers. We were fulfilling videos we committed to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We knew the. Here if you go. If you go down a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa.

[Dan Bessler]

Down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What the ones that are performing well have in common is that they're back to basics. They're back to what made LTT. LTT things like the TikTok hacks. That was remote one is a really cool video. I don't know if you've watched that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I really, I watched the whole thing. Everything like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's going to be a slow burn. It's going to do great. It's. It's not a product anybody's heard of. Like, nobody knows what that is. I'm not expecting that to get a ton of views right on day one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you go down a little bit

[Linus Sebastian]

farther or when we're getting to things that were very strong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I thought you started here.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. Yeah, I started right here and

[Luke Lafreniere]

already pointed out you can, you can go back up. The stuff that's doing here. We'll go back here. So the stuff that's doing well still, like the, the Korean mall walk, for instance, is just like back to basic stuff. And we're having a lot of conversations internally and we have been for a long time. But what we're finally doing is taking solid action on it to make our production process more agile, more spur of the moment. We're very scheduled, we've gotten very big.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we've got a lot of people who you know, are racies. Right. You know, who needs to be, who needs to be informed and who needs to take action and all of that stuff. Who's responsible and that's all, you know, you know, it's all important stuff so that, you know, people's lives aren't just like running around putting out fires all day, but it's made us less agile. And so that's, that's where that video that I wrote yesterday came from. From was just like, hey, what does this workflow look like? Another thing that I've talked to the writing team about is I'm going to go back to writing more. We did one video a little while ago where the lab just did the like the testing in the one pager and I just earphones in, wrote it instead of having someone else write it and then I go do a script review. And that was for shoot. What was that for? It was for. Was that the CPU launch? Yeah, it was the 9850x3D right? I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sounds right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, so the plan is to start doing two of those a week like now where it's just like back to. I don't know how to describe it other than just like back to what made LTT fun and feel like hands on.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've talked about this quite a few times on WAN show. But yeah, LTT doesn't feel like it has its, its soul fully intact at the moment. Like there was, there was for a long time it was like where you went to be kind of up to date with what was going on in like the techie world. And I don't mean tech linked because that's news.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean like kind of more than that. And it, it, Yeah. I don't know, wasn't fully fulfilling that for a while.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you know what? I think I allowed myself to stop having fun. Yeah, tech got really depressing and boring and you know what good news WAN show is another like concrete action that we're taking to just get back to just having fun doing this. Yeah, get back to having fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there is, yeah there's, there's some stuff. It's, it's just I don't have any ownership in ltt. I don't have any visibility in the finances and all that kind of stuff. But, but there have been actions taken because of low company performance. So it's, it's a little tough I guess. But I guess there's separation in jet expenses and that. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. I mean I, I made it really clear in how does LMG spend money there. We expected to get back to closer to 20% and that's with that separated out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. So that's what that peeled.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's with a completely out. Yeah. And so realistically right now, temporarily, what would have been, what would have been my take? I'm just like, well I'm going to use it on this gamer jet. We're going to milk it for some content. We're going to use it to make travel way more comfortable for me and the team that is going to do this stuff and hopefully we're going to unlock some pretty cool content because we can go in and out of non major hubs now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we can do it at times that are not necessarily normal times. So. You know, a perfect example of something that I'd love to be able to do more is do you remember that video I did going down and touring Kenton's tech house?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd love to be able to do more stuff like that. So that's the kind of thing that you know, if you were sending a, like a content suggestion, as long as we can find a sponsor to make it make sense. Because I can tell you right now just a normal like ad insertion like we would typically do in our video is not, is not going to cover it. Like we'd have to be able to, we'd have to be able to make the economics of it make sense. But we'd love to be able to do more of like this kind of, this kind of stuff. Stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, that was cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But we can't do stuff like that if it means day of travel, day of shooting. Oh no, we missed the cut off for the last flight back. Day of travel again. I can't be out of office for three days to make one video. It just doesn't work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. You've, you've described this like to me at least when we were discussing it pretty early on, you called it a life phase.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I thought was interesting wording.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. It's like it's trying to make it fun again. I want to, I want to try to. I want to try to make it fun again. I want to try to. You know, we're always trying to do something different that no one else can Do. I don't think anyone else in the tech YouTuber space would have the connections with my uncle in order to be able to do something like this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Literally. And so, you know, we always want to. We always want to level it up a bit. We always want to do something, do something different if it ultimately doesn't work. What I said in the video is, is true. I've had. I've had a lot of people question this. The zero dollar math. We will be able to get out of this thing for very near what we spent on it. I'm very confident in that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you want to talk about one of the things that is reducing expenses because of the. That contract thing? I want to speak somewhat vaguely, but hopefully I can get it across to you. A maintenance portion of it that is like not being paid intentionally.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. That's probably too far in the bolts. Sure. I mean it's not. It's not a secret. Basically, engines can be on service plans that effectively are. They're insurance. But insurance where you know the thing will die and you know, know when it will die. So basically it's just a payment plan. So you go on a payment plan for your engine and then when it reaches the end of its service life, you've effectively paid for the work of having it refurbished. And that's what that plane just went through.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So because they're sitting at like zero hours, effectively the scrappy. The scrappy way to do it is to not enroll it on one of those programs because those will cost hundreds of dollars per flight hour per engine in order to. To pay for. But if this was something where you were just going to run it into the ground anyway, then you can roll the dice. And if one of them happens to fail, which it probably won't because it's in great near new condition, then you just. Then. Then you're stuck with a big bill. So that's the other thing is it's insurance because if it dies early then. Then they also cover it there. So right now we are not enrolled in an engine service plan. Yeah, it's not a safety issue.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you flip it, then they can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then they can buy to do that. Y. Yeah. Or we could buy in. If we're informed at the time when it comes to flip it that it's better to have it enrolled.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you, are you worried about the cost of jet fuel spiking?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not just in regards to your own usage, but in regards to your ability to flip it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, no. I suspect that in the timescale that we're going to be doing content and using this thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

The straight's going to open again, I suspect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The straight will be open. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the oil will flow, so to speak.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. The spice, good old flowing spice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you see any. Did you see any more sort of interesting questions? I've been really busy answering? I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to be as thorough as I can right now. So I've been pretty focused on, you know, answering your questions.

[Linus Sebastian]

Toffridge is saying, can you talk about the timeline for flipping?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure, yeah. So just with, you know, the age of everyone involved, the idea that I had in the back of my brain was one to three years and probably closer to the middle of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you've had it for, I don't know, half a year now. Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. And so depreciation curve. This. This bird's from 1990.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. So something of this class, like this kind of range, this kind of passenger capacity that's brand new today would be, oh, man, like 35 to 45 mil or so. We are not there anymore. We're down here. And what's nice about the depreciation curve is it's, it's very much. It's kind of like a car in that a lot of the depreciation happens really fast and then over time. If you buy a 1990 Honda Civic today and you sell it in two years, it will probably be worth as a still functioning vehicle that the doors still roll up and down very similar to what you paid for it because it's already very old. Unlike a car, this has decades of maintenance records. And we know that it was taken care of extremely well. So we have solid assurance. And it just had a new engine put in, you know, so we have solid assurance that it was in. It was at the, at the high end of the bottom of that depreciation curve, meaning it has some room to go down a little bit more before we will actually lose. Lose.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's also some questions about can you actually make it a. I'm paraphrasing a little bit and leading you a little bit because I know the answer. But can you actually make it like a tech jet? How is it going to become a gameplay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So there's going to be limits in terms of what we can do, like really hard limits. That was something that very early in the exploration stage of, hey, is this, is this feasible? Like, is this, is this something that we could just crazy, like do for a bit and then. And then not do anymore, but. But make some cool videos. And like, we found out that you pretty much can't. You can't screw anything into it. No bolts, no screws, adhesives though. So if we were to do like, like a sky high LAN party or something like that, where we would get into the. The tech details, you know, we always. I always tell the team we need to have learning outcomes, we need to have tech tips no matter what the video is, no matter what it's about. So what we'd be getting into there is realistically how light and how low power can we make our systems? Because we're going to be. It's an older bird, 1990 doesn't have like a super robust auxiliary power system to run, you know, your high spec, you know, desktop gaming PC in the cabin. So how light can we get? Everything. How low power can we get? Everything?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think primarily low power. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We can't bring a giant jackery with us because even though this was something that like blew my mind, I can totally take a source onto the plane with me because there's no security. I can't just take any old, like, giant battery bank that I want. You're still subject to like FAA guidelines as far as that goes.

[Linus Sebastian]

That kind of makes sense, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Totally makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So if we're bound by just like compliant battery banks and the one outlet we have from the galley, how big of a land can we have? Like, I could see that being kind of an interesting video, but you know, realistically, that's not like the first thing I'm going to want to do. I think Elijah. I'm just going to be straight up with you guys. He just wanted to ride it. And I was like, okay, if you can contrive a video that gives you an excuse to ride it, then you can come on the next trip we're taking. And he pitched one the next day and it was pretty much building the high. Building it. Building a PC while high.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, we're going to say, I feel like you would just go really solid battery life, laptop, if you weren't trying to make a fun video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'd be the smart way. Yeah, yeah. Oh, totally. But. But Elijah and. And we're not gonna just fly for that because that would be crazy. But basically the, the extra cost is just gonna be Elijah's per diem and like hotel. And then he's gonna ride along to something that we were already doing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With that had a sponsor and stuff. So. So that'll be one. But the one that I'm actually most excited to do. And Dan, I would like you to join me for this. Oh, it's going to be a lot of fun. It has an inflight entertainment system. Oh, I didn't really touch on it in the video with Elijah. It is the worst piece of dog that I have ever seen in my life. It is the worst implementation execution.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can look at pictures of animals.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's so bad.

[Dan Bessler]

Sort of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's so bad. And I just. Dan, I'd like you to experience it with me. And then I'd like to figure out if there's a way for us to. Without putting in any screws, fix it,

[Linus Sebastian]

because use adhesive to put a screen.

[Dan Bessler]

We could duct tape an iPad to the screen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we could figure something out. I feel like with Dan's innovation.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that sounds like an intro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pankratz wants in too, apparently. So.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hell yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

Pankratz and Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, with. With Pankratz and Dan, I feel like we could do something with it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like your intro is that you duct tape an iPad to the. To the screen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

And this is Dan's idea. And then.

[Dan Bessler]

No, that was my solution. And that sounds like a much better thing that I came up with.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then you. And then you go like, okay, well, this is my solution. What do you guys want to do? That sounds fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So I'm very excited for that video.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was a question. I hope I didn't lose it. Let me go find. Find it. Can you say anything about why the industry is so secretive about sale price?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. I had a few people post that it's BS that there could be any kind of NDA on the sale price. News to me from. But I'm just going. I'm just going based on what our lawyer. Because there's no way that you buy something like this without a lawyer involved. Our lawyer told. My uncle told me. Is that this agreement or no? My lawyer told. My uncle told Yvonne told me. So something could have gotten missed. But my understanding is that whether it's actually in black and white or the agreement or whether it's just gentlemanly conduct, it is not something that is disclosed who you bought it for. Even though you can, like, look up who. Who owned it, you can literally look at up. But you don't talk about who owned it or what you paid for it. And you see this a lot. Like, if you were to. If you were to go on here and go, Falcon 900B and by the Way like how wild is it? Oh, bloody hell. How wild is it that like for how low volume this world is that it's like this organized and there's like. It's like this easy to just browse airplanes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, I looked it up. There's a lot of this.

[Linus Sebastian]

I tried to ignore the. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Call for price. Call for price. Call for price. And this is on older planes that, you know, realistically have fewer people that are trying to protect, you know, the actual worth of. And most people are still not disclosing a sale price, which I've never understood. Commercial real estate's like that too too. Call for price. Why don't you just tell me the price then I know if I have to call you. Why don't we just not waste anybody's time? Seems pretty smart to me, sir. What are you gonna say?

[Linus Sebastian]

I googled it. Tried to ignore the AI summary, but the AI summary did say that sales of private jets and business aircraft very often involved non disclosure agreements. And then I found this other one, which is some attorney website, and says that prior to entering into discussions surrounding the sale and purchase of an aircraft, the party should sign a non disclosure agreement by which they agree to keep all shared information confidential. Does that include the price?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. But I don't feel like breaking an NDA today.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it's. It's really that simple?

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't know. I think that's it for questions that I've seen in chat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool. Yeah, it was. It was one of those videos that I was like sitting there ready to push publish and I was like. But overall the reaction has actually been not that bad, surprisingly. Like there's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, I. Someone mentioned that the ISS might have passed the midpoint and my cares about the plane vanished. So I'm not there yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yet. Oh, okay.

[Dan Bessler]

Whoops. No one cares about ground craft.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you want a spaceship inside the atmosphere, loser.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In the atmosphere. Like some kind of chode.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yo. It did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Woo.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just a bit, but it did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

How fast are we moving?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean you can see it on the. Little slower on the moon over there. Just watching the numbers tick down, that's crazy. Yeah, just watching them take down like seconds.

[Dan Bessler]

It's weird. It's so fast. You forget how fast everything's moving.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's crazy. Wow. At the bottom you can play the expected trajectory. Is it this? No. At the bottom you can play the expected trajectory.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ah, there we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Play.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool. Like the gravity stuff.

[Dan Bessler]

And then they did the math wrong and they're just into deep space.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hopefully. Hopefully. That's actually funny. NASA tracker says it's not. Oh, okay, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Dan Bessler]

We can go clean the James Webb

[Linus Sebastian]

Unity. Lol. No. Okay. Distance from Earth, Distance to moon.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no.

[Dan Bessler]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is this updating in real time, though? Oh. Oh, yeah, Looks like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Looks like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, let's see how. Let's see how far it can get while we do after dark. Time for some checkout messages.

[Dan Bessler]

Sure thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's weird that they disagree.

[Dan Bessler]

Hey, lld, I'm loving Hexos so far. What is a good free or lifetime license PC backup program you would recommend?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, isn't it included in Windows these days?

[Dan Bessler]

Also OneDrive?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's a crazy. Here's a. No, no, no, no, no. Like the. The Windows backup and recovery thing here. Oh my God.

[Dan Bessler]

Oh, like that type of PC Pancrats

[Linus Sebastian]

just said Windows backup has become horrible. I'm not surprised. It's like everything else on Windows.

[Dan Bessler]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's my question. Hear me out. Hear me out. Why you love. You have Hexos, you have a nas. Just don't store anything on your computer at all, either with a separate drive or with a partition. You put all your games there and then like, dude, I don't know man. For maybe. Maybe this is just me, but. But setting up a new Windows for me takes like half an hour maybe. Where like setting up a new phone sucks. Like that is so days tedious. Yeah, but setting up a. Setting up a Windows computer these days I feel like is really fast. Apparently you can still use Windows 7 backup.

[Dan Bessler]

That's nuts. Is that like a separate program? I've never done it. I've always just fresh installed and then copied files on Windows 7 backup.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go. Windows 7 backup.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm so happy that it searched it. I'm so happy that it searched it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, look at this. How about. Okay, this is the most BS bs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Confirm and set later.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How about no? Where is my no button? It's like serious. Seriously, this has like date rape vibes.

[Dan Bessler]

You also can't alt F4 it confirm

[Luke Lafreniere]

or do it later? No. How about no, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Also forcing this huge pop up is really annoying. It could be like a little banner at the bottom or something. Immediately annoying the heck out of people the second they open. Your browser thing is not the way to get people to use it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How do I. How do I download it? Oh, okay. Backup and restore Windows 7. I don't. I Don't see this anymore. I don't see this. I don't see this tech tip anymore. This is from December 2024, though. It's not that long ago. All right, well, that might be a thing, but it's not something that I can find immediately, so. Man. A good. A good backup program I always really liked. Shoot. What's that imaging program that I always used to use to Paragon? Is Paragon still good? Admittedly, I have not. I have not used it in a long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a throwback.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Paragon used to be pretty based.

[Linus Sebastian]

They used to have pretty good, like, data recovery stuff too, didn't they?

[Dan Bessler]

Oh, I use their data recovery stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Comparison.

[Dan Bessler]

The data recovery stuff's great. I think I use that for trying to find my bitcoin wallet. It just going through, like, so many old partitions. It was super useful, but it's pretty old, clearly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And ified a little bit. Oh, no. They actually do give me pricing and perpetual.

[Linus Sebastian]

Perpetual license.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Based, based, Based.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is Paragon still good? If someone tells me, yes, Paragon is still good, then I'm ready to recommend it because I've been really happy with it. In the times that I have used

[Dan Bessler]

it, they didn't find my bitcoin wallet, but they sure gave me hope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Dan Bessler]

That might be worse. Never mind. At least. At least I might buy a Linus coin. Maybe I might have missed that too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nobody seems to hate Paragon, so I

[Linus Sebastian]

haven't used it in years.

[Dan Bessler]

That's a huge defense in current year.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is a pretty huge defense in current year. That's a good point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I'm. I'm gonna say that. Hey, hey, look, they have a community edition for free. You can at least try it.

[Dan Bessler]

Like the Mass Effect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, cool.

[Dan Bessler]

Okay, let's see. We'll get more. Hey, L, L and D. I'm really happy with the blank tea quality. Ordered 10 of them last time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. Wow. Cool.

[Dan Bessler]

I hope to get a good coin to buy some more. Question for Linus. Have you continued Vibe coding? How did it go?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't. I mean, I don't want to spoil the conclusion for the Vibe coding challenge, which is still progressing. In fact, you guys filmed some stuff this week.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was told that you had continued.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I did continue it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I tried to continue it, but I ran into some walls that I'm sure we're going to talk about as part of the video.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's interesting because I. I was. Okay. I mean, we can talk about that part of the Video. But I heard that you had continued it and were still continuing it. And I was very stunned that you had not hit the walls.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, the walls have been hit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hard.

[Linus Sebastian]

That makes a lot more sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The walls are like halfway between my nose and the back of my head. How flat my face is against the wall.

[Linus Sebastian]

Way more sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because I was like, I mean, I'm almost 40. I hit the wall a few years ago. You know what I'm saying?

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a, there's a good salt and pepper era for men.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, maybe whatever you tell yourself.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm not worried about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like for the silver fox you have to be tall. I feel like shorter guys can be good looking when they're young. But I feel like to pull off the silver fox, you like actually have to be tall.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're mostly a man on camera. People can't tell how tall you are unless you're standing next to other people.

[Dan Bessler]

I think you do have to be tall.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just gotta be tall.

[Dan Bessler]

You're right.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just gotta be more aggressive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You get some pumps more aggressive about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. You know, you got to be more aggressive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Influencer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apple boxes. I don't think ever talk about Apple boxes.

[Dan Bessler]

Apple boxes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jeans, boots with the fur.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dead cat with the fur.

[Dan Bessler]

Can we even still call them that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Who knows? What are they called if it's not called that? I just, I genuinely don't know.

[Dan Bessler]

Windsock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A microphone fluff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Windsock, microphone fluff. With the fur.

[Dan Bessler]

It doesn't have the same ring to.

[Linus Sebastian]

It really doesn't.

[Dan Bessler]

All the cameras are pointing at er. Hey there, dad. Lilu. As an aspiring designer of repairable products, how does one sell the slack jawed on them without having them come across as gimmicky? Aimed at die hards or otherwise not quote unquote normal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Most consumers will not actually buy something for that reason. So you just have to make it really good. And then your conviction of things should be repairable is just gonna have to exist and make it a repairable object. You will have some very loud people on your side if you make it repairable, which is awesome. But that is basically just marketing. And their message is going to have to effectively be this is a really good thing to buy. And also it's repairable to actually get through to the other people who will actually buy it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And here's a hard truth. You can, you can swallow it, take it with water. It is gimmicky. It is aimed at die hards.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is gimmicky.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, literally, that's what A gimmick is. It's like a. It's like a. For most people who don't care. I'm agreeing with you. Where that most. For most people it is gimmicky where they, they ultimately are not going to repair it and it's not important to them. It just needs to be a good one. You. You have.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would argue that. That I don't agree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, okay, I'm going to look it up. It is. Does gimmick mean so a gimmick not meaningful.

[Linus Sebastian]

A trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity or business. And I'm seeing that it often has negative connotations like it's not actually legit or actually a benefit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then that's not fair. But it's definitely intended to attract attention, publicity or business. And so that was, that was what I didn't. I. Yeah, okay, I yield.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because even if I would argue that I think a lot of people might buy a repairable device that would never repair it under any circumstance, I think that is a fair statement. Statement. But in my opinion that's still completely awesome because the second that person doesn't have that device anymore, it's still repairable by someone else.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not saying it's not awesome. What I was. What I was. I've tried and failed to agree with you that for most of the buyers this will be perceived as just a gimmick because they don't actually care and that just needs to be a good device.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just, I'm just fighting on the word gimmick. But yeah, I think most people aren't actually going to. To value that significantly. But if it's just a good device or can do cool things like most people that I know of that have been interested in frameworks, the repairability side of the framework is not the major purchasing factor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you bring it back to money somehow? Like can you. Can you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you long term cost of ownership

[Luke Lafreniere]

being lower tco can you sell it based on that? Maybe I don't know what your device

[Linus Sebastian]

is which is totally legit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like, but that's how you get a business's attention is like what's my total cost of ownership? Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

You could also argue like if this is something that would be used in like a work scenario. For example, if it's repairable that might mean less downtime because if another one breaks and the only way to get the thing working is to fully replace it, you might not have one on hand. But if you have a few little parts on hand or somebody who's handy available there who might be able to make something to replace it and it's highly repairable and thus more able to be done. Then that could be a huge selling point for certain businesses or people out in the field that might not be able to get back to a workshop very easily, but they might be able to swap apart. And if you have a high repairability score or whatever, that might be a lot more viable when you're out.

[Dan Bessler]

Think of like John Deere. You really need to be able to repair that thing yourself.

[Linus Sebastian]

You really should be able to freaking John Deere dude. Big jerks. But yeah, I think, I think sell the utility of it being repairable instead of just saying that it's repairable. Because to a lot of people I think that doesn't have a lot of value. It's interesting. It's like the same. There's a bunch of companies that have had this realization like shipping with environmentally friendly packaging doesn't move the needle on sales. But you, you know, people that care about that, which is. Care about that enough to make purchasing decisions is actually a very, very small amount of people. But those people might be pretty loud about it which might get your name out there more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They might advocate for your brand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah but then it's still. Their advocation of your brand still needs to include that your thing is good or else the other people aren't going to buy it. So you, you need both. You can't just go with one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See what just happened? My computer just restarted. It was broadcast message system will restart. What the heck. Sorry. On the subject of packaging, packaging is one that like drives me crazy because it doesn't actually cost that much more to. In. In many cases we've found use packaging that is recyclable or biodegradable. It. It seems like a lot of times it's an active choice and it's like it's the unnecessaryness that offends me. Like how easily they could just. Just not. And I get that most consumers won't care, but like it's really easy except when it isn't. You know why we have to have plastic bags on the backpack.

[Linus Sebastian]

Container leaking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not just leaking, but the high humidity and the salt water and the ocean and just like generally it like scuffing anything that isn't sealed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because as far as my understanding goes, a lot of packaging stuff is because of like just the chaotic environments, the, the, the temperature fluctuations even of containers on ships because they'll go through some like pretty intense hot and cold cycles even yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. Some of the changes on packaging in the US warehouse were miscommunications toward Dirk, to say the least. There were some really weird things going on, but we're. We're working it out with our logistics partner there. It should be pretty much resolved at this point. Did. Did my. Did my OS just freaking spontaneously combust? Oh no. There it is. It's coming back. Did you see what happened?

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Which machine is this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It freaking did. Hold on. Our O S E D is broken. Something. Okay, no. Kubuntu is booting now. What the heck? Cursed. Curse. It's never done that before in the entire like month plus of the Linux challenge. Now it hasn't done that. That's cursed.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you want to fix it, just put it on this side of the table.

[Dan Bessler]

No, no. Keep it away from Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why?

[Dan Bessler]

Because the cars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'll get too fresh. Oh, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm immune. I'm fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I don't think I've ever seen this blue glowing Kubuntu though. Or maybe it just has never been up long enough in order to glow blue like this before moving past. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, there was a thing in the corner there. I missed it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw it for a sec too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a cursor thing now too.

[Linus Sebastian]

There sure is. There's a mouse cursor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see a mouse cursor. Different kind of cursor.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's going on, man? Funky.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't get it, man. Razer, sitting here as the sponsor of the WAN show, being like our laptop working perfectly.

[Linus Sebastian]

A couple weeks ago, the fan might have been cranked because of Windows updates, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's on Microsoft.

[Dan Bessler]

It took so long to pull that out.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is. This isn't Asus or whatever. That laptop is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Still cursor. Oh, the cursor just went away.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Dan Bessler]

Is that good or bad?

[Linus Sebastian]

Move it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's just black now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder if my battery. You know what? Maybe my battery just died. I didn't think it would because it was fully charged, but we have been sitting here for. Oh my God, four hours. Okay, where's the. There's a plug. Oh, Dan, did you put this plug in here just for me?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When you heard me talk about never having a plug here. It's so nice, Dan.

[Dan Bessler]

I mean, there was one the whole time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You are the best Daniel Bessler who has ever produced the WAN show.

[Dan Bessler]

Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Shall we continue? Continue. We shall. Okay. I think my battery might have just died. Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope we'll figure it out.

[Dan Bessler]

Linus. Curves. G', day, lld. Can I get an understanding on if it is Linus, his stylist, wardrobe, or head of marketing's fault that he keeps teasing me with the black hoodie with the lime green highlights that is no longer sold?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, this was what I actually needed my laptop for because I pulled up a shower thoughts email that I sent to Bridget, who is our head of fashion where kind of expressing, I think, some of what I think you're trying to get across. Basically, what I said is subject was another data point to consider for how we handle design transitions. Again, I want to preface this with that I understand what you guys are doing with the seasonal styles. I still believe in this direction as we transition, transition from merch to a fashion brand. But I don't know how to deal with the unavoidable truth that for the styles that have a very distinctive look and end up on camera a lot, we will not even see their peak demand until well after launch, once they've had a bunch of exposure. Framework, hoodie and lan, which is the green and black one you're talking about, are the two I've raised this about recently, and I understand the pushback from someone on one of the them about how they want to do something new rather than just reprint an old thing. But I do worry that we may be doing things the fashion way rather than being open to sort of the way that our business, for all of its faults, has kind of worked up till now. I'm not asking for change, just flagging this audience feedback. I hate telling people, too bad you can't buy it when it was only available for a month or two. Two. Also, though, we can't have a repeat of the overstock situation on WAN v2 colon slash face. So some of the ideas that the team has had is, you know, we could maybe have some Linus's favorites that we bring back sometimes. Because the challenge right is the minimum or not the minimum even, but like the order quantity, we try to get it right. And a lot of the time at our scale, it's the minimum. It's the minimum order quantity where it even becomes cost effective. Because you've got to. You've got to get fabric, you've got to dye fabric, you've got to cut fabric, you've got to, like, produce this stuff. And it all. It all happens at a scale that is like, frankly, mindboggling. It's a miracle that we're able to make garments at all, to be. To be honest with you. And then once we sell through all of it. Typically the sales are really high and then they kind of peter out out. Right. Reordering at that time, a lot of the time seems crazy because we can't just order 10. I can't order 10 of these. I have to order something like this. Probably anywhere from like 2 to 3,000 of these. So unless the sales at the end of the curve justify what we committed to back when we could count on the beginning of the curve, we're. It just, it just doesn't. Well, the math doesn't matter. And, and so, but the flip side of that is like, okay, but what about if we, like I said in my email, never even saw that demand recover because we, it wasn't even appearing on camera yet by the time we like cleared it out effectively. I don't know, it's. It's a tough nut to crack. So. So bringing back some Linus's favorites once in a while is one idea. As part of the new LTT Store website, we're going to have a product archive and I have talked to the team about maybe having a voting system so that we bring back like the top upvoted one sometimes or something like that. I think that could be really cool. But it's just we make so many products because we want to, we always want to look forward, right? We always want to move forward. So we make so many products that it's not possible for us to just always perpetually have them always in stock. It just doesn't like work that way in fashion. And that's something that they've really had to kind of beat into my head because I bring more of an electronic sensibility which operates on like more of a yearly cycle, whereas fashion is fast, man. It's quarterly seasons. Right. They don't make the rules. And so it's just one of those things that we're, we're learning as we, as we grow and as we change as a company. So in terms of who you can blame, you can blame me. I like that hoodie. And so in the morning when I look at my hoodies, I often put it on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Should you come into work wearing whatever you want. And then there be a wardrobe for you for the day picked out by.

[Dan Bessler]

There's supposed to be a merch inclusion for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you not get to, to dress yourself anymore, you tiny boy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like dressing myself.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I already only wear merch. I'm literally wearing the, the hot dog.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're also not selling.

[Dan Bessler]

Do we sell the hot dog?

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe we do still.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think the hot dog's still for sale. Okay, it might be. It might be. I've got cargo pants. I don't know if we carry this color of cargo pants anymore. I'm wearing the underwear, though. Am I wearing prototype socks? I am. I am heading.

[Linus Sebastian]

When the heck are the socks coming?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry?

[Linus Sebastian]

You told me soon. Soon.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, but it's soon. I don't know.

[Dan Bessler]

I gotta get the webcam ready.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's late. I don't want to bug. I don't want to bug Dave right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know. Don't bug Dave. I'm not just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wait. No, he just messaged. He just messaged. He's around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Because I need new socks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, Linus coin is marked as sold out and the back order flag has been removed. Like 20,000 coins.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that'll burn through a lot of that zinc.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I kind of. Yeah, I need new socks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I'm asking.

[Dan Bessler]

I bought a pair of the. Darn tough to see what all the hype was about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you sold. Are you sold on Reno wool blend socks? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Dan Bessler]

Now. I want socks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And no, no, no disrespect to darn tough at any point. They. They make a great product. I. I don't Now I will own

[Dan Bessler]

two pairs of great socks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Dan Bessler]

It's gonna be great. More cake or whatever the saying is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, have your cake and your other cake. Is that what you're getting?

[Dan Bessler]

I think it's. It's like artists think that, you know, that other person makes better cake than me, and the consumers are just like, hell yeah. Two cakes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

We've got two brands of great socks now instead of just one. You need a.

[Linus Sebastian]

We need to find that looks like grub is. Isn't it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Dan Bessler]

That's not good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why is that not good?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because it doesn't normally come up when I boot my computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why did you boot into grub?

[Dan Bessler]

Oh, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You guys. You guys saw it. You saw it live on WAN show.

[Dan Bessler]

This man's cursed my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's freaking Kubuntu.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you boot into Kubuntu off grub?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it went away.

[Linus Sebastian]

You didn't do a slight for too long. I think that it's probably good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's trying. What are the odds, you guys? Hey, freaking saw it. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think your computer just ran out of power.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe that's it. I'm check. I'm going to check.

[Dan Bessler]

That does break laptops.

[Luke Lafreniere]

10% now. Do you think it would have charged 10%? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Okay, okay. Maybe my battery just died. You know what? That's going to be the Canon explanation for it. My battery died. Okay. No big deal. I mean, that's a pretty scary way for the computer to behave when your battery dies. Windows does handle that better, But no harm, no foul.

[Dan Bessler]

All right, let's up okay on inshidification plus YouTube's moat. Any insight on how Bilibili's economy works so much better than YouTube? Shout out to LTTS Bilibili Team tech puns have transcended so much language and cultural barrier.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bilibili has a lot of.

[Dan Bessler]

Just reading it. Don't look at me like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool social engagement for the users, which is pretty neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, wait, what? Sorry, what was the question? I thought it was based around monetization.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. How does their monetization model work?

[Dan Bessler]

Economy. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not talking about platform features.

[Luke Lafreniere]

As far as I can tell, Bilibili is a flippin huge video platform and has achieved scale. Is pretty much the only explanation that I can give for it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought he meant like creator economy stuff. I think he meant. Yeah, Bilibili is enormous. There's no. No doubt about the that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how our Billy Billy channel is doing. I haven't actually looked at it recently. We're well over a million now subscribers. That. That is. That is one of my coolest play buttons. I think it's my second favorite. Yeah, my gold Billy Billy play button. I can never read views on here. Is that 40,000 or 4,000 views? I don't know. 4. Is that 4,000?

[Linus Sebastian]

He has no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

4. No, it's not 4.

[Dan Bessler]

8.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is. This is why I said he has no idea.

[Dan Bessler]

Four.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Four people. Oh, four people currently watching.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah, see, so he's right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I should have even. I should have even known better.

[Linus Sebastian]

This idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Know this. I know this person. That's like the one Chinese character I know. He's so mean to me. He doesn't even know that I speak fluent. Cany taught me. I don't think this is Cantonese. What the heck is this? I'm not clicking that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't try to counter Dan anymore. Maybe it is Cantonese.

[Dan Bessler]

I don't know. I said speak, not read.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's the view counter?

[Linus Sebastian]

I have no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm over it.

[Dan Bessler]

Okay, sorry. Moving on.

[Linus Sebastian]

I really like their banner. The Bilibili banner is awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what?

[Linus Sebastian]

Just the banner at the top.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's cute.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember when YouTube had a personality?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, Mr. Beast. Oh, God, he's so unsettling. That thumbnail is very unsettling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that. Oh, this is on bilibili. Yeah. Yeah. I think I can taste his teeth from here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that. Hey, it's Ste. It's Steve, but not Steve. Steve. 1989, but it's not Steve.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Solid. All right, Gray from Oz.

[Dan Bessler]

Do you run separate VLANs on your home network? I have a vlan for my IoT devices, but have the issue of changing from my normal to IoT Wi Fi to use my Sonos. Also Prismatic stubby.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When I don't know if we're going to do a Prismatic stubby. If we were going to do anything, it'd probably be a transparent. That still sells quite well. As for why I don't bother at home. You answered it. Everything in my home needs to talk to everything in my home. And I don't. I don't. Can't think of any reason to not. The only. The only exception is that I do have a guest WI Fi. And from my understanding, when I click the Guest WI fi button, it's doing VLAN magic in the background. But I never actually configured VLANs for it.

[Dan Bessler]

What's up, boys? What are your plans for the summer? What are you guys looking forward to the most?

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly,

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm going to play a lot of badminton. Probably same. Same. Same thing we do every night. Pinky.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think. I think Emma and I are going to have to breathe a little bit after having kind of figured the house

[Luke Lafreniere]

out now that there's no mold. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Better. Better breathe now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then kind of figure it out. I feel like I owe her something, so we'll probably have to go somewhere or something. I don't know. We. I'll figure it out. Was like chicken. Maybe a little more than chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe something less transactional.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

Make the chicken together.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You guys are gonna make a chicken?

[Dan Bessler]

I mean, they could drive, right? Hey, baby, I get it. One day

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm going to avoid continuing to comment. Build a coop. If I had land, I feel like I would actually have chickens. But it's so weird.

[Dan Bessler]

Build a coupe in the park.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, what is it with you and birds? Now you. I don't remember you.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is actually. No, this is actually completely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay. So it's a coincidence the only two animals you seem to have any interest in owning are birds? Total coincidence.

[Linus Sebastian]

Genuine coincidence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay?

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's not true. I want a dog.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I'll allow It.

[Linus Sebastian]

I want a dog way more than I want birds. I just,

[Luke Lafreniere]

I

[Linus Sebastian]

have reservations about having a dog in an apartment. I'm not judging other people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

But especially for the size of dog that I would want and the amount that currently in my life, with how busy I am, I would be able to take them out and do walks and stuff. Stuff. I have reservations about having a dog in an apartment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Even for cats who seem to spend a lot of their time just lying around, I was surprised by the change in their demeanor that we noticed moving into a bigger house. I, it. It's just, I, it was one of those things that was not a factor in our decision whatsoever. But they clearly liked it and were clearly more comfortable. And every cat that we've. Every cat we had in our old place always tried to get out the door. And every cat that we've had at a new place doesn't try to get out. And I. It's a sample size of only several. But make of it what you will.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. And like, you know, if something changes

[Luke Lafreniere]

or are you bringing it up? He's bringing it up. He's bringing it up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. There. Oh, did we catch it?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's coming. It's coming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no, it's not. Oh, I had them. I had them. Reverse. Okay. Okay, we're doing it very, very soon.

[Linus Sebastian]

It took me a second as well. Very soon.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, we're at like 5, 4, 3, 2.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, hey, let's go though. Very good, Very good. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Flip the surly bonds, etc.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, man, that's sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

History ever, ever, ever. So slightly slowing down, but she's moving.

[Dan Bessler]

Loving the good news. April. Linus, any suggestions for trying to do touch ups on a wall that was painted prior to moving in and have no clue what the actual brand or color was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was.

[Dan Bessler]

Is this even possible?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, most paint shops will do paint matching, so our color matching. So what you'll do is you will actually, if you want the best possible match, and this is going to feel awful in the moment that you're doing it, but you'll cut a, a piece about this big. You'll. You'll use like an exacto knife blade, so you'll extend it and then you'll kind of like you'll bend the blade a little bit and you'll slice a circle of, of paint off of the top of the drywall, ideally somewhere that has experienced similar fading to the spot. You're trying to touch up because not all the paint on your wall is going to be equal. Things do fade under UV light and then you'll take that to the paint shop and basically they'll, they'll be able to identify the sheen. They have a whole pantone probably like system, but they have a whole like, like spectrophotometry or, but whatever. Some kind of color might be a colorimeter but they have some kind of color analysis thing. And then they will, they will get it to the point where they will get a paint dab. They'll put it on there and it should be pretty much indistinguishable from the thing. Then you get some putty. You putty over the like gouge you took out of your wall. And then you touch up both of them with your paint. You just put it on and then you feather it to blend it a little bit with a very light amount of paint on it. You're never going to get the finish the same with a brush as you will with a roller. I mean, I guess there's nothing would prevent you from putting it on with a roller and then also kind of feathering the edges with that. But that's the way to do it.

[Dan Bessler]

Hey dlo, what games have you been playing with your kids? My kids 16m and 10f weird names are still pretty obsessed with Minecraft and I introduced my daughter to Untitled Goose game which she loves.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My girls are still super into Minecraft and my son is. He's a Rocket League fiend. I try to play other games with him and he just like goes back to Rocket League just about every time. He's pretty good at it, so I think it gets comfortable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is he ranked?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean presumably, but I don't know who it is. Yeah, sorry. I'm out of touch with my kids apparently. I don't know what his rank in Rocket League is.

[Linus Sebastian]

That means you're out of touch with your kids.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what though? I want to, I want to like maybe even this weekend. I want to play Goof Shrip with them. Unironically goated Super Nintendo game. And I played it when we were doing Sven's AMD ultimate tech upgrade because he got a RetroTink 4K and we hooked his SNES up to it.

[Dan Bessler]

It.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, he has like A, a B4 I think. LG TV OLED. Oh, looks so good. And it's really fun. It's like we played through the first world together and it's, it's co op and it's Just really fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sweet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So I'm thinking maybe I'll try and play that.

[Dan Bessler]

Luke, have you played a Crimson Dessert?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I haven't either, but I. It seems like the kind of thing that I'll have to play.

[Dan Bessler]

Really.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's an rpg, right? Open world rpg?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. But a lot of people say that it doesn't get good for like many hours.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if it's a Linus game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That might make it not a Linus game.

[Linus Sebastian]

It sounds like it might be a me game. The way that people have talked about it remind me a lot of like the reasons why I like old Bethesda games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just you have no idea what to do and everything is dangerous and everything

[Linus Sebastian]

is weird and there's all these weird different systems and you can use them in kind of broken, weird ways. But it's a single player game, so who cares? And you just go mess around. Yeah, I haven't tried it yet. I have no idea if it works on Linux. I want to try it soon. It's been very interesting to me. Proton db.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh boy. First hit for me is I just created this guide.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no. Gold

[Luke Lafreniere]

extra flags. You can see. Okay, well, it looks like it'll require at least a little tinkering.

[Dan Bessler]

I've never seen this. It's never come up for me and it's not even on my ignore list. I'm living in a rock. Okay. No crimson desert. Greetings gents. Played tape to tape with the cousins recently, but had trouble getting more than five controllers connected. Have you had any luck with this? And if so, is it possible to learn this power?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you on the beta branch? I don't know if the. If the old non beta branch supports it, but the beta branch is available in the public branch. You just have to click beta branch in the intro screen screen. That could be part of it. Another part of it is that there's a flag in Steam for many controller support. Also to go beyond eight, you can't use all X input because I believe X input is capped at 8. So you'll need at least a couple of D input controllers. But yes, it can be done. We have played 5v5 locally with tape to tape and it is so fun. It's super fun.

[Dan Bessler]

Linus. Couple videos. You dress up in costumes like in Razer Phone or Starforge video and it looks like you have tons of fun. Who comes up with these ideas? And are you always excited to do dress up?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love costumes. I think they add so much Production value. I think they add fun on set. We did that one recently where I dressed up in like a wrestling onesie. That was hilarious. I think everyone has a pretty good time with it. Plouffe is particularly an enthusiast when it comes to just playing. Playing dress up with Linus the Doll. The Linus the Cable. Cable hero or whatever from the LTT cable launch. That was Adam. I don't know. It's fun, man. I think when you get too old to enjoy dress up, then it's time to just kind of ask yourself, hey, when did I get not fun?

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, I really liked the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you're too cool to wear a Halloween costume, like, ask yourself, are you really that cool?

[Linus Sebastian]

What the heck even was it? This was forever ago. We filmed a thing. You and I dressed up in like old timey detective costumes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. For that cooler master Sponsored video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly. Honestly, a lot of the old, really old sponsored video things we would do were really fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like the, like origins of. Was it tech linked or tech Quickie or something? We would dump these videos on that channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it was like. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know, like sponsored. It was a repository for sponsored videos and we would just kind of dump them on there and then we would also do short tech tip videos just to build up the numbers on that channel. It was never actually intended to be that. It just kind of became that over time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And filming those was so much fun. Jumping off the fence with your sword.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, God. I. I hurt myself doing that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, I jumped off the fence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did a flip.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, That's a fair one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Up. I didn't land it. So only one of us was up. I was down.

[Dan Bessler]

Hi, lld. I'm currently growing a year growing my beard for a whole year as a bit to mess with my. Oh my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. He asks, why not do this again? I mean, I'm down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm down too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm down. Do it.

[Dan Bessler]

We have to find out who did this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do it, you cowards who crashed their

[Dan Bessler]

car into the store. Sorry. Yeah, I don't know. Whimsy is fun here. Hi, lld. I'm currently growing a year to growing my beard for a whole year as a bit to mess with my wife. What is your dream bit and what's stopping you from doing it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, one year long bit to mess with your wife might be a little excessive. Sorry, but what's your dream? Is it worth it? Does this feel like it's gonna pay off? Have you ever heard of the happy wife Happy life thing.

[Dan Bessler]

I tricked you with this thing that you saw happening for a year and it just got grosser and grosser.

[Linus Sebastian]

How do you think bothered wife for a year. What does that result in?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Divorce. Speedrun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

The bit is, is I come home and I've. I'm completely clean shaven after having a beer. My beard my whole life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Bessler]

Isn't that a bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like fairly quickly reversible.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah. Depends how long the beard was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This one's reversible too. He just has to decide to reverse it. Man. I don't know if I have a dream bit, but there is a funny one that I thought of. We just bought like a dream Jesus costume so that I can do a thing. Basically, I just thought of the idea of turning water into Segway and I was like, can we get a Jesus costume? And so resorted for me immediately. I haven't written it into a video yet.

[Dan Bessler]

Yeah, yeah, okay. You're gonna be. You can be Jesus.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's. That's the only answer I think I have. It was just one of those late night thoughts was like, turn water into Segway.

[Dan Bessler]

Those are the best.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Teach a man to segue, he can feed himself and his jet. Give a man a Segway. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Bessler]

I don't think we should be allowed to be creative, but that's excellent.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Jeez.

[Dan Bessler]

No, I can't, I can't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I need.

[Dan Bessler]

Linus, Last year you said you want to do a video reflecting on thinking of retiring live stream. He can't. He's gonna rise again.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was.

[Dan Bessler]

Do you still have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thinking of buying a jet?

[Dan Bessler]

Do you still have thoughts to share about it now? Do you think of it differently compared to a year ago?

[Linus Sebastian]

I've been thinking of selling my jet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. I think what I'm more focused on right now is just trying to find the fun again. Just doing cool stuff, finding cool tech, finding cool news, finding exciting stuff to do and doing that and. And assembling a crack team that is laser focused on doing that. That. That's. That's the short version of it. I'm coming up on my 40th. I. I told Luke this the other day. That's caused a lot of introspection lately. And I think if my midlife crisis can be doing some wacky stuff, some high budget wacky stuff, and, you know, finding the fun and making it. Making it really enjoyable to work again, then I. Then I will consider that a success.

[Linus Sebastian]

By the way, for people that don't know. I just think this is so cool. NASA's YouTube channel is just sending a continuous live feed right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now

[Linus Sebastian]

which is just sweet. And they'll, they'll switch back and forth between, between like this and mission control and. Sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is so cool.

[Dan Bessler]

I didn't even have to buy a color TV this time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you imagine just like not, not you might not have to imagine but like how cool is it going to be for them after this like multi day journey to have on the way back? Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that. But just like, like can you imagine sitting in there having just seen the back of the moon with human. You're one of four people who has seen the back of the moon with your real human eyes and just like the energy in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Be fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I love as well who I. How I just directed everyone to go there and then dude spun around and like pointed his butt right at the camera. NASA Space Flight has full live commentary thing. Yeah, I, I suspect Space Flight now is also doing stuff. Let's see. Are they?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have an answer for you by the way. It's not as exciting as space flight, but it is. Regarding the software box.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh,

[Luke Lafreniere]

mid summer, late summer, before August.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I thought it was sooner.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Space Flight now does have a 24.7stream. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of them. It's really cool. That's not what I was looking for before August.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan Bessler]

Dear Leeloo and duh. What's the coolest branded PC or console product you guys have ever had the privilege of owning? Mine are the Starfield controller, Xbox One, Halo edition and Warcraft MSI graphics card.

[Luke Lafreniere]

SteelSeries had that weird wow mouse. Did that count?

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you own that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean I unboxed one. I can tell you one that I'm not a fan of. Asus sent over a sample of this PX13 ProArt laptop which is a super cool laptop. It has weird GoPro Co branding.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it just has a GoPro logo and then it has a GoPro button. I'm on Linux right now, so I have no idea what the GoPro button even does. But then it just, it has like gopro Art gopro Art Pro Art gopro be the hero of your story on the bottom. Like, I don't know. GoPro seems like a fine brand, but it just seems very random. Yeah, just. It's just weird. Viscous Cree says it's got to be the gold Xbox controller that's not co branded. That's just. That's just ridiculous.

[Dan Bessler]

Last one I got for you. What home?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why didn't we get an answer from Luke?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I don't know if I literally have any.

[Dan Bessler]

He would have had to buy something Pokemon branded computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's not branded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's themed. Yeah, it's not brand.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's specifically not branded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's got a trainer on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's themed. Whoa. Whoa. All right, what's next, dude? Here, you're taking off. You're gonna go join Artemis. That was crazy.

[Dan Bessler]

Last one I got for you. What home automation or smart home solution that you've implemented has been your favorite? And which would you consider most essential?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm a space cadet, so the notification that I get if I've left my garage door open is by far the most important smart home automation that I have in my life. I just forget. I can literally. I don't even know if I have full object persistence at this point because I can be looking at my garage going, I need to close this, that, and then I can look at the road and I no longer remember my garage exists. So, yeah, it. It helps a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's all we got. Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, different channel. That's right. You got to go to the WAN show channel now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now, going forward, you could come here, but it will be worse.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unless you're on full plane

[Luke Lafreniere]

or.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or Twitch. Are we leaving Twitch alone?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're going to leave them alone forever.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're being left alone by.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It.