Microsoft Gives Up On The Copilot Key - WAN Show May 22, 2026

Summary

The WAN Show | May 22, 2026

Episode: Microsoft Gives Up On The Copilot Key

Podcast: The WAN Show
Hosts: Linus (Linus Tech Tips), Luke
Date: May 23, 2026
Theme: Linus and Luke discuss major shifts in tech, with an emphasis on Microsoft’s AI strategy reversal, fallout from Google I/O, the Windows laptop market’s response to Apple, Linux and local AI developments, hardware leaks at CISA, and much more.

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Episode Overview

This episode’s main theme is major course-corrections in the tech industry: Microsoft walks back aggressive AI integration—particularly the Copilot key and intrusive Copilot features—reflecting growing user pushback. The show also breaks down Google’s AI-at-everywhere strategy at I/O, the disruptive impact of Apple’s MacBook Neo on the Windows laptop market, ongoing issues in cloud storage and self-hosted media servers, the viral spread of locally hosted AI tools, recurring security missteps from institutions like the US CISA, and touches on software trends, labor relations, and the ethics of working in tech.

The tone is characteristically irreverent and insightful, laced with memorable rants, jokes, detours, and crowd-sourced insights from live chat.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. Microsoft Walks Back the Copilot Key & AI Push

Timestamps: [00:00] – [06:22]

• Users Win in the End: Microsoft announces that users will be able to remap the Copilot key in Windows 11—a reversal from their heavy-handed AI push.
  • Linus: "Microsoft has confirmed that in a future Windows 11 update, users will get the option to remap the Copilot key. This is... after they're removing their little Copilot button that was in Office 360 apps and was just getting in people's way." ([02:01])
• Growing User Fatigue: Copilot and similar AI tools have been viewed as intrusive, with users preferring options and agency.
  • Luke: "I think it's like... are the cracks showing that AI might not be what the people want? And I don't think that's true. But forcing people to use it in a particular way seems highly unpopular." ([03:18])
• Desire for Real Utility: Both hosts agree they’d rather the Copilot key trigger genuinely useful functions, like system-wide voice to text.
  • Linus: "It's wild to me that... the one [platform] that doesn't have a quick easy access single button for me to just yap at it and have what I'm saying appear as text... is Windows." ([04:02])

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II. Google I/O 2026 — AI in Everything

Timestamps: [06:22] – [17:54]

• "Existential Dread": Linus describes the keynote as a marathon of AI features, leaving him with "existential dread."
  • "That was the longest keynote I have ever watched... and in terms of how deep my existential dread became as it progressed." ([00:31])
• Lack of Enthusiasm: Despite millions of views, Google’s AI announcements receive a tepid response online — "the lowest interaction to view ratio."
  • "I don't think I've ever seen a video with such a low interaction to view ratio. That was nuts... 0.05% of the people who watched it were like, yeah, thumbs up." ([07:13])
• New Gemini AI Models: Gemini 3.5 (Flash and Pro) offers agentic tasks—enabling background actions for users (e.g., buying tickets automatically).
  • Linus: "They were like, hey, if you want to get floor tickets... you can just have your AI agent let you know when it's in stock... can't beat the scalpers, join them." ([09:36])
• Gemini Omni: Multimodal video generation demoed—impressive at face-value, but met with skepticism regarding real-world results ([10:48]).

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III. The Real Impact of AI on Jobs & Productivity

Timestamps: [12:14] – [18:23]

• AI Will Disrupt Junior Roles First: The march of AI continues, but the impact is mostly (so far) on junior positions and repetitive tasks.

  • Luke: "I wouldn't be surprised if it being harder for juniors in... white collar fields to get jobs... will continue, but we're very far out from these things replacing senior devs." ([13:14])

• Google Gemini Spark: Practical integrations (e.g., managing RSVPs) hold promise but are yet to prove themselves in shipping products ([14:26]).

• AI Costs/Bean Counting: Free AI usage is increasingly limited, costs are tied to compute used, and companies are scrutinizing AI expenses after years of hype-fueled build-outs ([17:54]).

  • Linus (sarcastically): "This is just pure like space race euphoria, and there is no guarantee the moon is actually made of delicious cheese." ([17:55])

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IV. Hardware & Economic Shifts: Apple, Neo, and Cheap Windows Laptops

Timestamps: [27:45] – [34:21]

• Apple’s MacBook Neo Pushes Industry Forward: Entry-level MacBook Neo is forcing Windows OEMs to improve build quality/specs at competitive prices.
  • Linus: "We can say with absolute certainty that the Neo made the rest of the industry react." ([32:40])
• Windows “Wildcat Lake” Laptops: Attempts to match Apple’s quality—but Linus and Luke are skeptical that they’ll “pass the Neo sniff test”—likely to be plastic and underwhelming in feel.
• Global Manufacturing Dynamics: Discussion about chip fabs, supply chains, and the shifting profit landscape from software to hardware companies ([21:46]).

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V. Local AI, Containerized Apps, and the Death of Cloud Storage

Timestamps: [36:26] – [44:56]

• DIY Cloud Storage & Media: Linus relates a personal story about losing high-res iPhone photos due to iCloud limitations, underscoring the value of self-hosted solutions like Image and containerized NAS setups.
• Jellyfin vs. Plex: Plex is "acting like Ubisoft," driving more people to Jellyfin due to price hikes and feature removal.
• Local AI Models: A lively, crowd-sourced breakdown of why people are running local language models and AI agents—from automating lights to running Discord bots, home assistants, translation, subtitling, and surveillance/data analysis.
  • Linus: "It's one of those things that we don't really need to... it's not something that I personally need... but what are you guys using your locally hosted LLMs and AI containers for?" ([39:09])
  • Local-control and privacy is a refrain: “People seem to be more comfortable with AI waifu type situations if they are locally hosted.” ([43:15])

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VI. Software Quality, Open Source, and Community Feedback

Timestamps: [73:47] – [79:19], [97:38] – [98:05]

• Torvalds on AI Spam: AI bug reports are flooding the Linux kernel mailing list, causing duplication and "pointless churn."
  • Linus Torvalds: "AI tools are great, but only if they actually Help rather than cause unnecessary pain and pointless make believe work." ([73:47])
• Open Platforms, Users’ Rights: Vizio is going to court over modifying Linux-based TVs—potential for a landmark ruling on enforcing open-source licenses as a consumer.
  • Luke: "I am completely okay with TVs being more expensive as long as they're not force feeding me ads." ([102:31])
• Community-Driven Tech Pressure: Sometimes users can drive change, sometimes not—Nvidia folding GeForce GPU revenue into “edge computing” signals they’re less interested in gaming feedback ([63:16]).

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VII. Security Blunders: CISA’s Massive Key Leak

Timestamps: [154:00] – [162:09]

• Epic Security Breach: US CISA leaves admin passwords, private keys, and AWS tokens in a public GitHub repo for 6 months, evading even GitHub’s secret detection mechanisms.
  • Linus: "The commit history shows that the CISA Administrator specifically disabled GitHub's default setting that blocks users from publishing SSH keys and other secrets in public repositories." ([156:05])
• Human error, stress, and underfunding: All cited as root causes, with public sector unable to attract/retain top talent ([159:58]).
  • Linus: "It's pretty tough for the public sector to attract top level contributors when the private sector and crime pay so much more." ([160:15])

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VIII. Market & Labor Dynamics: Samsung Chip Workers Strike Averted

Timestamps: [181:42] – [187:48]

• Workers Win: A last-minute deal averts a massive strike over 15% profit-sharing in Samsung’s chip division—the union’s leverage is immense.
  • Luke: "The gun that they have against Samsung's head is massive." ([185:55])
• Labor Lessons: Key for tech workers—timing and being in a division (like chips) where your absence costs billions.

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IX. Miscellaneous Tech News, Q&A, and Notable Moments

• Firefox 151 Update: Expanded PDF editing, cross-platform profile migration, improved UI ([113:16])
• Steam Game Tag Overhaul: Odd tags added/removed for discoverability, touching on community curation ([95:55])
• Microsoft Eliminates SMS 2FA: Moving to passkeys and email for security ([145:07])
• AI Deepfakes Crackdown: The FTC is now enforcing fast takedown rules for nonconsensual imagery, with Europe following suit ([188:17])
• Ethics of Working in Tech: Passionate discussion over personal responsibility, hypocrisy, and drawing one’s own moral line regarding employment in problematic companies ([129:50 – 141:20])
  • Luke: "There are very, very, very high paid positions that are here to destroy jobs. And that is their goal. And people are taking those positions and then writing it off like 'I gotta eat.' And I'm like, bro, relax." ([129:49])
• Red Bull Partnership & F1 Tangent: Wanders into F1 racing, the complexity of groundhogs on Canadian tracks, and energy drink discourse ([197:04]).

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Notable Quotes

• Linus on Microsoft: "Does it start to feel like Microsoft is getting the message that users do not want to have this stuff crammed down their throats?" ([02:11])
• Luke on AI Pushback: "I don't think we're on the right path to solve that... as long as it's predictive text, I think LLMs are a dead end [for AGI]." ([27:41])
• Linus on OpenAI IPO: "Anyone who cares that Sam Altman's kind of a douchebag knows it already. In the same way that anyone who cares that Musk is kind of a douchebag knows it." ([181:28])
• On CISA: "Valadon called it the worst leak that I've witnessed in my career... folders included 'all backups', 'important AWS tokens', 'kubectl important YAML files'... The archive even included explicit commands for how to turn off GitHub's secret detection!" ([156:05])
• Torvalds, quoted by Linus: "AI tools are great, but only if they actually Help rather than cause unnecessary pain and pointless make believe work." ([73:47])
• Luke on Day-to-Day Linux: "I actually just don't think about it that much anymore... I'll go days without the conscious thought of, like, I'm on Linux." ([246:01])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–06:22 — Microsoft gives up on Copilot key: customizable at last
• 06:22–17:54 — Google IO: viewer fatigue, Gemini 3.5, Gemini Omni, practical AI
• 27:45–34:21 — Windows laptops vs. MacBook Neo: specs, build quality, market pressure
• 36:26–44:56 — Cloud storage fails, Plex/Jellyfin, local AI LLMs
• 73:47–79:19 — Linux, AI-driven bug reports, Torvalds’ commentary
• 95:55–102:31 — Steam game tag taxonomy, user discoverability
• 145:07–149:40 — Microsoft ditches SMS 2FA
• 154:00–162:09 — CISA's astounding secrets leak on GitHub
• 181:42–187:48 — Samsung chip strike averted, lessons in timing and leverage
• 246:01–249:39 — Linux “side quests” and day-to-day usability

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Memorable Moments

• Existential Dread at Google I/O: "That was the longest keynote I have ever watched... and in terms of how deep my existential dread became as it progressed." ([00:31])
• CISA Admin GitHub Comedy: The sheer “honey pot” stupidity of the secret leak, including disabling GitHub’s own protective features ([156:05]).
• Linus's fire truck story: "I'm dailying the fire truck right now... The most fun experience driving of my life was when I drove past an actual fire emergency and the real firefighters just stared at me." ([222:32])
• Linux side quest: "I'll go days without the conscious thought of, like, I'm on Linux." ([246:08])
• Deciding favorite Pokemon under duress: [208:23–209:18]

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Flow & Structure

• Lively and conversational: The episode is a fast-paced, sometimes chaotic journey across tech topics, always returning to the user experience, industry trends, and the intersection of hype and reality.
• Crowd-sourcing: Frequent pull-ins from live chat, often shaping the discussion or adding hands-on perspectives.
• Humorous yet practical: Even as they joke or get side-tracked, Linus and Luke continually focus on what actually matters to tech users.

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For Those Who Haven't Listened

This episode is one of those "pivot" moments in tech, where user pushback, economic forces, and technological overreach combine to force big companies to (sometimes reluctantly) do the right thing. The hosts celebrate small signs of sanity—like user-customizable keys, labor victories, improved software tools, and the persistence of self-hosted alternatives. Cynicism and optimism are held in balance, always with a sense of humor and a watchful, skeptical eye on where the industry is headed next. If you care about how tech actually impacts users—not just how companies want to sell or surveil you—this is a can’t-miss episode.

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Additional Resources

• Jump to specific segments using timestamps above for deep-dives on any topic.
• For peer commentary and further technical detail, check the Linus Tech Tips forums and Floatplane chat logs (unofficial, as per show quip).
• For a full breakdown of the various self-hosted AI and media platforms, look up current guides/discussions on Jellyfin, Plex, and containerized LLM deployment.

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Transcript

[Linus]

Is up everybody. Happy Friday. It's Friday. I'm more excited than usual. Like it's Friday. This is a big deal. We've got whale land this weekend. Luke, it's Friday. Happy Friday. Welcome to the WAN show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. So Long Copilot Key Microsoft has actually this isn't the only Copilot related thing that they are walking back right now. It seems they've finally seen the light during the exact same week when in other big news, Google put AI in absolutely freaking everything. That was the longest keynote I have ever watched, both in terms of how many hours long it was and in terms of how deep my existential dread became as it progressed deeper and deeper and deeper. Also, I get a bonus topic for this week because I really want Luke to talk about it. He said we're probably not going to talk about it, but he set something up this week.

[Luke]

Not that interesting. Well, not interesting enough.

[Linus]

You got to sell it a little harder. We're drumming up excitement for the show.

[Luke]

Here'll be enough other topics. This is just a bonus one. It's Plex's turn to act like Ubisoft and they do be digging the lifetime pass for Plex. Pass went up a lot and I've never heard more people talking about Jellyfin, so that's an interesting combination. Also, the U.S. cybersecurity Agency or a U.S. cyber U.S. cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency known as CISA. There we go. Left their digital keys out in public on GitHub. Very cool. Good move. Very good move.

[Linus]

Embarrassing.

[Luke]

Very interesting.

[Linus]

The show is brought to you today by opmanager, Nexus, Motion, Gray, ugreen and Ridge, alongside our RAP partner dbrand, our laptop partner Razer, and our chair partner. Also Razer, who I might note I miss quite a lot when I do not have their chair. The last one I sat in was extraordinarily uncomfortable. Jump right into so Long Copilot Key. These notes are brought to you by one of our writers who wrote two whole lines about this Microsoft has confirmed that in a future Windows 11 update, users will get the option to remap the Copilot key. This is on top of one of the topics from TechLinked which I hosted today, where they are removing their little Copilot button that was in Office 360 apps and was just getting in people's way. Does it? Is it starting to feel like Microsoft is getting the message that users do not want to have this stuff crammed down their throats and that customizability and having the machine do what I want it to do when I do something is more important than whatever agenda it is that they're trying to advance.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

I think it's like the way the, the question was worded was like are the cracks showing that AI might not be what the people want? And I don't think that's true. No, that doesn't seem to be accurate. But forcing people to use it and forcing people to use it in a particular way both seem like something that is highly unpopular. If you let people have more agency in how they use it. If you could bind that key to be an AI button and especially if you could bind it to be an AI button in a way that you might want it to work, then that could be an interesting combination. It's Windows. It should be more of an open platform than it feels like these days. If I could bind that to launch, I don't know, Claude or something instead of whatever they want it to do, that would feel better.

[Linus]

I'd love to bind it to dictation. Sure. It's wild to me that on the most good idea, the most powerful of the platforms out of all the computers that I carry with me and every day, the one that doesn't have a quick easy access single button for me to just yap at it and then have whatever I'm saying appear in text without sort of jumping through hoops or configuring something specially to do. That is. It's crazy. It's crazy how easy it is here and here and how much of a hassle it is to set up here. But no, just like a system wide voice to text would be extraordinarily convenient. That's something I could see myself rebinding copilot to. I just press and hold and then sort of yap at it like my phone is an old timey 80s secretary or something like that and I'm on the intercom. That would be amazing. And so I welcome everything. Look, we've gone pretty hard at Microsoft over the last few years. Yeah. Or ever really if you think about it. And so I just want to make sure that if they're actually serious about this and if they're really, you know, trying to do better that every step of the way we are also there.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

With the same level of energy that we sort of jeered at them as they decayed into horribleness.

[Luke]

I don't know about that.

[Linus]

I think we should be. Well, it's positive news land show so we're going to have to, but I

[Luke]

don't think it has to be the same level of energy.

[Linus]

We should be there enthusiastically cheering them on.

[Luke]

This is good. They did a good move as they

[Linus]

make their way back.

[Luke]

I'm not going to stand and cheer.

[Linus]

You're not going to stand and cheer?

[Luke]

No.

[Linus]

For. For D D ification.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Well, I'll stand and cheer and you can sit here.

[Luke]

Absolute minimum and we'll be the same

[Linus]

height so no one will know you're not standing for.

[Luke]

For doing the absolute minimum. I'm not going to stand a chair, but I will work out pretty good.

[Linus]

Like fun fact.

[Luke]

I will openly say that this is good and I'm happy they did it.

[Linus]

Most people don't know this, but I'm actually exactly the same height whether I sit in a chair or not. See?

[Luke]

Oh my God. That was pretty good actually.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

Is that it? Do we move on?

[Linus]

I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that.

[Luke]

Do you want to. Old McGregor had a keynote AI aio.

[Linus]

I think. I think I do. I think I do. And the way that I'm spinning this into good news wan show is definitely the reception that the Internet had to this. To be clear, I still think that Google's baking of AI into absolutely freaking everything is pretty scary and would also qualify for a bad news wan show. But other than sponsored like, like paid view videos. I don't think I have ever seen a video with such a low interaction to view ratio. That was nuts. Like I think, I think when I ran the numbers when I was writing up the intro for it, it worked out to something like.05% of the people who watched it were like, yeah, thumbs up.

[Luke]

This could have been viewboded or like advertiser views or whatever.

[Linus]

I think it's very unlikely because how

[Luke]

many, how many people did it say were live?

[Linus]

I've watching. Oh, I don't remember how many people were live or rather I wasn't there live. I watched it after the VOD. I watched it like 3x.

[Luke]

How many views was it at?

[Linus]

It was at 6.8 million or something like that. Like that's.

[Luke]

I don't know.

[Linus]

I mean last year's Google I O did 4 point something or 5.7.

[Luke]

That one might have had advertiser pumper too.

[Linus]

Hmm. I don't know. I mean, hey, maybe this is something for floatplane chat. Did any of you like see an ad to watch it? Like were you, were you drawn in by an ad? I don't know. If my float plane chat is scrolling right now. Oh yeah, it is. Nope. No one, no one found that? Nope, didn't see anything. And like realistically Google IO is big news. Like I also saw it like flipping everywhere. Recaps of it are getting lots of views. Ours did. Like I think people are. Google is at the scale now where people are genuinely just real friggin interested when they do something. And boy, did they ever do a lot. Let's talk through not even all of what they showed and announced. Did you watch the keynote by any chance?

[Luke]

No, but I've distilled a lot of information from it.

[Linus]

Yeah. Okay, so Gemini 3.5, they. They kicked off their newest family of AI models starting with Gemini 3.5 Flash, which is available. And they talked a little bit about Gemini 3.5 Pro, which is going to be launching next month. The new model's claim to fame is that it is faster and better at agentic tasks. So this is the kinds of tasks that previously on my Vibe Coding adventure, the various AIs that I talked to, especially you, OpenAI lied to me about and told me that they could do, you know, go and work on things in the background and then come back and report to me when they're done. That is what agentic or AI agents actually do. And they can be used for all kinds of really useful things. Like one of the, one of the uses that Google highlighted was, I can't believe that we're just talking about this openly now, but ticket scalping? Yeah, like they were like, hey, if you want to make sure that you get floor tickets for that concert or whatever, you can just have your AI agent let you know when some product is in stock or when some concert ticket is available and it'll go and buy it for you and then everything will be fine. Can't deal with all the scalper bots out there. If you can't fight them, join them, I guess. Right? Oh come on. Really? Okay, so it's going to get even more impossible to get a limited edition anything or a ticket for anything that anyone wants to see. Unless you. Unless you have an AI agent. That's great. They also announced Gemini Omni, a new family of models that will generate video clips based on inputs like text, photo, video and audio, and even combinations of them. And I got to say I'm pretty sure this was Omni they were showing off at the time. But did you see the demo where they had the video clip of the lady standing on the car?

[Luke]

Yes. The like give me different angles of this.

[Linus]

Okay, so they didn't give us a close up of it. And really, like, the devil is in the details with any kind of AI generated anything. Right? Like, a lot of stuff looks pretty good at first glance, and then, you know, you look away and then you look back at it close and you go, oh, hold on now, just a second here. So they didn't really give us like a. Like a really close up look at it, but boy, did those 12 angles look pretty convincing. And then they're like, okay, now make it nighttime. I don't know if you remember this, but back when we used to do video productions for, like, for brands, we once, just because of the production schedule, had to shoot what was supposed to be a nighttime shot during the day. And tools did exist and Ed did kind of figure out how to make it look nighttime. But it was this, like, horrible, tedious, painstaking project in order to, like, get the daytime sky to look nighttime. And the fact that they were able to take that clip and just go, okay, make it nighttime. Not gonna lie, was pretty cool. There, I said it. I said it.

[Luke]

I think. One thing, I know we're only partway through, but. Oh, yeah, one of my conclusions of this from, like, I skimmed some articles and stuff, but I didn't actually watch the whole keynote. I've been pretty busy. Was every time so far that we've had one of these, like, AI keynotes where they say effectively that the world is falling and you're all done and there's no more jobs anymore. Get owned. And then the stuff releases and everyone's

[Linus]

like, okay, yeah, here's. Here's JFC123 review. OMG 3.5 Flash is terrible. I tried it Thursday and it felt like the last version of dinner for coding. I might be spoiled though, because 99% of the time I'm using Opus High reasoning. I mean, I do think most of the point of 3.5 flash is being fast.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

But yeah, is it gonna be. Is it gonna be like our doom and nobody has jobs anymore? No. No, probably not.

[Luke]

I don't think so. I've also heard that echoed from some other people. But, like, I. I wouldn't be surprised if this continual march of it being harder for juniors in a ton of different, especially white collar fields to get jobs. I do think that will continue, but I think we're very, very far out from these things. Replacing senior devs.

[Linus]

Ajge0702 says 3.5 flash is much better than 3 flash at the very least. So that's yay. Hey. I mean that's something. In other news, gemini Spark, it's OpenClaw, but Google, an AI agent that can command other AI agents and interact with Google workspace apps. This one is one actually sounds pretty interesting that unlike the vast majority of other Google stage demos where they're like, oh yeah, you'll be able to have your AI assistant call your hairdresser and they'll make an appointment for you. And I'm going to keep bringing that up until that's actually a thing. Which by the way, it will never be because no AI can make a decision for you about where you will be in the physical world, like in the future, because it just won't know all that stuff unless. Ah yeah, I could get there if you wear the glasses.

[Luke]

Probably already doing that.

[Linus]

And like it's okay, you know what, fine.

[Dan]

But

[Linus]

for unless you obsessively manage your life like through your calendar and your AI, it's just like not going to be a thing. So I'm going to keep bringing that up because it was just kind of a joke of a demo and they made that announcement years before we were going to have any hope of them being capable of that sort of thing. I mean, I tried to set an alarm for myself yesterday that was. Oh yeah, it was at some time remind me to get that baseball bat for Arianna. And it just like completely butchered it. I can't. It's not here, it's not in. It's deleted now because I dismissed it. But it was like not even close. And I asked the person standing next to me, I was like, did I speak with reduced clarity? I know I got braces, but really this. And they were like, no, you were very understandable. That's crazy. Anyway, Gemini Spark with integration into Google Workspace was the first time I've seen one of these Google demos and I've gone, okay, that does actually seem potentially feasible. And if it can do that, I'm going to use the crap out of it. Yeah, because like the example that they gave, managing RSVP's for a party is exactly the sort of tedious non work that some stupid AI agent could go do for me and go find all the emails pertaining to that and then dump into a spreadsheet along with what they're planning to bring for the party and it would actually save me work. That is, unless after it creates that spreadsheet, I have to go back and read all those emails because I'm sure that, you know, a bouncy castle Someone's

[Luke]

hot dogs got a hamburger.

[Linus]

A bouncy castle is not what they're bringing to eat. You know, like I'm. I want it, I want it to be good, but. And I'm gonna try it. I will try it. I just. I've never seen a Google demo like this that has turned out quite the way that they demo it in the real world.

[Luke]

What subscription tier do you need for Spark?

[Linus]

It might be separate, I don't know. It's a good thing for you to look up. In the meantime, they made their AI Ultra plan cheaper. It was $250 a month, but now starts at $100 a month. However, free AI usage is now more limited. There are weekly hard caps on usage for free models with a smaller rolling five hour cap. And it's now based on compute used rather than on number of prompts. So more complex prompts or using more capable models will cause you to reach your limit faster. This seems highly related to one of the things that I talked about in the the Worst Might Be Over Video where I talked about how RAM prices might not continue to. To get worse and might actually rebound a little bit. It does seem like the bean counters have woken up and gone, sorry, pardon, we're spending how much? And sorry, where's the revenue?

[Luke]

How much? Yeah, exactly.

[Linus]

Yeah, this is. Sorry, this is, this is like. This is just pure like space race euphoria. And there is no guarantee that the moon is actually made of delicious cheese. Like, can we, can we pump the brakes a little here? There's no proof loop. It is. We've been through this.

[Luke]

And I do not believe that.

[Linus]

And I believe that you're right. I do believe you.

[Luke]

How do you not want rocket fondue?

[Linus]

I'm just saying there's no proof.

[Luke]

Imagine it just raining from the heavens.

[Linus]

You can't have fun without rocket fun, dude. I'm with you 100%, Luke. Yeah, but there's no proof of it. And that's going to make the bean counters. That's going to make the bean counters nervous. See, I'm not the kind of guy who gets nervous about that. I'm the kind of guy who buys a fire truck and figures out the economics later. I'm with you. I'm here with you. Yeah, but this reinforced. But this reinforces my point that as soon as. And what? Basically what I said is as soon as somebody blinks and the, the pressure comes off to kind of like be the one with the biggest AI data center penis, you know, at the end of it, then the pressure come then, then there's no longer a reason for everyone else to build so fast. I mean and another thing that I think again sort of reinforces but then also contradicts. My point is, I don't know if you saw this recently but Xai Elon's, Elon's thing where he built a data center and didn't actually like have a plan for it, but he like got all the GPUs, like built the data center. Yeah. Is, is renting out as far as I can tell, their entire capacity to Anthropic. So clearly some of this irresponsible build out, some companies are finally looking at it and going sorry, why are we building this? Why did we build that?

[Luke]

Anthropic will pay Elon Musk SpaceX 1.25 billion a month over the next three years.

[Linus]

However, meanwhile the ones that are actually managing to make money clearly do not have enough capacity and do want more capacity. And there's big money in that. I think my only question is how much did that data center cost? And is one point something billion a month over the next few years?

[Luke]

Actually sounds like a lot of money,

[Linus]

but it does sound like a lot of money. But building that data center also cost a lot of money.

[Luke]

Cost of RAM. Yeah, I'll look into it.

[Linus]

I mean RAM, GPUs, real estate, power, like there's a, there's an ongoing cost to continuing to operate that data center as well. JFC123 says yeah, but Anthropic is making money. Yes they are. Are they making money? I know that they are making lots of revenue and it's growing really fast, but I don't think Anthropic is actually profitable. Is Anthropic profitable? I don't believe so. Anthropic on from two days ago. Anthropic is projecting its first profitable quarter this quarter. Apparently that would be pretty wild. That would make them the first pure AI company to reach profitability, I believe. Is that, is that correct? Does anyone know of any other ones? I mean I'm in video, I'm not quite counting. Because they're a shovel.

[Luke]

Yeah, the show, they're not a miner. The shovels don't count. They're all making tons of money. Green economy is going boom.

[Linus]

Productivity says we don't know. They are private. That is true but, but a lot of them for private companies are awfully public about what exactly it is that they're doing because I mean they're hoping to go public at some point.

[Luke]

You Know, there's been a lot of economic focused people talking recently about how it's an interesting wealth transfer from these like software companies and software focused investors to hardware companies. An interesting subplot of that to me is the insane wealth transfer out of the US Specifically because Micron, sk, Hynix, Samsung, you know, a lot of Nvidia stuff. They're an American company, but a lot of their stuff.

[Linus]

Well, Micron's American.

[Luke]

Are they, are they manufacturing in America?

[Linus]

I believe so. Oh, are they? I didn't know there's Micron Fab locations. Micron, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore. Hold on a second. Oh well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Here we go.

[Luke]

But they also have ones in the States.

[Linus]

It seems like America's all over the place. Asia Pacific.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Luke]

Yeah, I think it's mostly outside of. But then I don't know the capacity of each one. So maybe they have more capacity in the States. Maybe the ones in AAPAC are smaller.

[Linus]

Virginia and Idaho are apparently big fabs.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Okay. I don't know.

[Luke]

But either way.

[Linus]

Yeah. Everyone else you named though, I think I heard you correctly.

[Luke]

Everyone else is outside doing big bonku bucks.

[Linus]

Oh, that actually leads us to another topic. You know what, let's finish this one first. But Samsung, speaking of Banku bucks narrowly avoided bankrupt bucks. No, well, not bankrupt, but the opposite of Banqu. But whatever, we'll get to it. Project Aura Nobody knows. Smart glasses in collaboration with xreal, Google announced an updated version of these glasses that was shown at the conference. Relatively slim looking form factor and this is enabled by a detachable compute puck that will fit in the user's pocket. I think Apple tried really hard to make a whole tether to a thing in your pocket paradigm work. If Apple couldn't make it work. I wish Google luck.

[Luke]

Our vision from 2013 will happen eventually.

[Linus]

Oh, the backpack.

[Luke]

No, you and I were talking about how compute for smart devices like watches and glasses and stuff like that. Should be a compute puck in your pocket. Oh different wearables and whatnot could. Could communicate with and stuff that we talk about that in the garage and

[Linus]

there's no real reason why you couldn't if you. If you do. Because like I've been playing around with those meta glasses still a little bit and the resolution is pretty low. The latency doesn't really matter. I'm not, I'm not gaming on it. Right.

[Dan]

So.

[Linus]

So the. As long as we could get the power consumption of video transmission down, then there's no good reason to have the computer on my, on my face. Why would I do that? The compute should just be the computer that I'm already holding.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And then it should just do video transmission. It'd be way better for battery life. It would be way better for the power of that device because, like, I wouldn't want to wear this on my head.

[Luke]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. Gilmore D Said, like, your watch would be a dummy terminal.

[Linus]

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably. It probably should be already. Yeah. Like, this is so inconvenient.

[Luke]

You're pretty good at balancing it, though.

[Linus]

Thank you.

[Luke]

Good job.

[Linus]

Thank you. It's my one talent.

[Luke]

Oh, that's your one talent. Not catching

[Linus]

would have been so cool. If I did catch it, though.

[Luke]

It would have been pretty cool.

[Dan]

That would never happen.

[Luke]

I don't think the. And this makes me sad. Although it's not like that much better having Google do it. If, if it is at all. It might be worse, but I don't think the Google glasses look as good as the meta ones.

[Linus]

You know what? That's my last attempt at that. Google Search is getting more AI integration. It's been changed to be better at natural language prompts, creating a simpler user experience. So search agents will also be able to monitor 24. 7 for specific information to track changes like stock market movements or even shopping listings for price drops. And then we're also going to have agentic coding in search. So Google Search will create small applets that could make visualizations, for instance, to help a user understand a certain topic. They also plan on letting users create apps and dashboards within search. Why? Because you can. This is another one that I actually was watching the demos for and I was like, that looks really cool. If only I could trust it. Like it, they, they, they, they generated this like, thing to explain gravity waves and I was like, wow, that looks really cool. If only I believed that that visualization was accurate, then this would be the neatest thing ever. But then I didn't.

[Luke]

And so, and to like verify that it is, you'd have to go look up someone else who did it already, who you trust.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah. And like, I, I get the argument that, you know, they have to build all this stuff now so that when the AI gets a little bit better and is more trustworthy, they'll already have the tools and the interface all figured out and it's going to be great. But with so much of the data in gestation, we're so far from that being potentially snake eating its own tail, AI generated slope. I just, I don't know how we're going to reach accurate AI and I, I'd love to be wrong about that, honestly. I would like. The promise of AI is often on full display for me where I'll like use it for something and I'll go, Whoa, this is 98% of what I wanted it to be. And, but it's just that, that last, it's like self driving where that last couple percent is really, really hard.

[Luke]

I also don't think we're on the right path to solve that. And I'm not the only one that feels that way as long as you're doing predictive text.

[Linus]

So you just think LLMs are a dead end? Yeah, well, I mean, well, a dead end to like the path to AGI, the path to a truly useful intelligence.

[Luke]

I think they'll be a part of the equation in the end.

[Linus]

But like, so what would be.

[Luke]

I don't think it's, I don't think this is like, oh, we can just keep walking in this exactly straight line and we'll get there.

[Linus]

Like.

[Luke]

I don't, I don't think that's the case.

[Linus]

Are you thinking it's like more along the lines of like, you know, organic chips where they're like built of actual neurons.

[Luke]

Spooky stuff going on there right now.

[Linus]

Oh, I know, I know it. Yeah.

[Luke]

So I honestly don't know, but I just think the, the fundamental idea of predicting the next thing is not going to get us to AGI. We'll see.

[Linus]

Yeah, sorry, I'm just, I'm just thinking

[Luke]

because I'm also not an AGI researcher and effectively know nothing. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah, there it is.

[Linus]

I was on it.

[Luke]

Something that we do know about is that Apple do be good at setting the market pace. ASUS and HP unveil. Whoa. ASUS and HP unveil Wide Cat Lake. Wild Cat Lake laptops starting at $449 to rival Apple's MacBook Neo. The first wave of those laptops is launching in China, where OEMs like ASUS, HP and Honor are rolling out some models before they're expected to become available globally. These thin and light laptops are aimed squarely at the budget and mainstream laptop market, seemingly in an attempt to make Windows laptops feel more like a MacBook Neo, especially considering their $450 to $700 price range. Several of these new Windows laptops feature 16 gigs of RAM and 512 gigs of storage. Both of these specs are twice what's seen in the MacBook Neo. More RAM than any MacBook Neo is available with. Intel's Project Firefly is a push to standardize and simplify laptop design across its ecosystem. Pairing Wildcat Lake chips with shared blueprint. With a shared blueprint. Okay, so OEMs can build low cost laptops at scale. Intel is leaning heavily on China to China's mature smartphone style supply chain with modular components, unified layouts and early manufacturing partnerships enabling the creation of these affordable laptops that should compete with Apple's entry level MacBook segment. However, it is worth noting that intel is reportedly pushing PC manufacturers in the U.S. china and Taiwan to adopt its more expensive new 18A based processors instead of the cheaper intel, you know, seven based Alder Lake, Raptor Lake and Arrow Lake CPUs. I don't think that if I can just throw a bet out there of $0, I don't think these are going to pass the MacBook Neo sniff test. They sound like they're coming in cheaper and with some better specs so they'll win people over. But be like, you pick up the Neo and your jaw drops because you're like, there's no way they made something this nice for this much money is not going to land with these. I can almost guarantee there's no way they're doing the like aluminum body stuff that Apple did. I just, I don't believe it. They're going to be plastic. You're going to grab it like this and do that and it's going to bend like a sheet of paper. Also Windows is just like hungrier than Mac. So I think a lot of Mac people will hear that, okay, it has way more ram and they'll be like, that's pretty cool. I'd like to have more ram. Mine's fine though.

[Linus]

I am aware of one that has not been announced yet. Okay, that looks like the build qual. I haven't seen it in person yet, but I am aware of one. Whoops. I'm aware of one, but I haven't seen it in person yet. That could be looking like maybe the build quality.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Luke]

What a sentence.

[Linus]

However, however, price not Neo, but good. Oh, okay, close.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Linus]

And remember more.

[Luke]

So

[Linus]

basically what I'm trying to say is I think it's going to be a little bit more complicated. At the very least, I think it's going to be a little bit more complicated than Neo wins forever. But we, we had to know that was going to happen.

[Luke]

And if these are like the cheaper ones, because this is actually decently cheaper.

[Linus]

Oh yeah.

[Luke]

So if these are the cheaper ones and they're. Then there's that one which is more expensive.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

But similar build quality and better components, then that's cool because now there's a range and you can kind of pick within it.

[Linus]

And what we, what we know for sure, what, what we can say with absolute certainty is that the NEO made the rest of the industry react and that the rest of the industry could have built higher quality laptops for this price before and didn't because they didn't have pressure from Apple. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something that I only do every once in a while and I'm gonna say thank you, Apple.

[Luke]

Thanks Apple.

[Linus]

Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Apple, for kind of like you did with HDR displays on tablets and high refresh rate displays on portable electronics and high DPI displays and metal chassis and all the other cool, cool, fun colors. Shout out one of our sponsors for the show that we're going to talk about later with this cool transparent purple battery bank. Thank you for pushing the industry to do the things that they could have done if only you gave them when

[Luke]

the price of just everything is just skyrocketing to do. This was a surprise and a welcome one.

[Linus]

Dude, Yvonne wants a new laptop.

[Luke]

Neil.

[Linus]

No, no, no. Okay. There's no way she's gonna go, oh, she is like going through it with her iPhone right now. She apparently at some point enabled like a data saving feature on her iPhone that leaves your full quality files in icloud and then only low quality, low versions.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And then did not have at any point anything other than a free icloud subscription. And so now she has lost months of high quality photos. She has now been to the Apple Store twice over the last few days and as far as we can tell, only the low quality proxies exist. But neither of us can figure out exactly how this came to be because she's only ever had a free 5 gig tier. So the only thing it should ever have been able to back up is whatever it backed up. And other than what it backed up, it should only have been able to. It should have kept everything else local to the device because it wouldn't have been able to back it up. So I'm not. Yeah. Il Belrid says what? That should never have happened. Yeah, it shouldn't have. And it's possible that there's some user error in here. I haven't been paying attention to exactly what she's been doing, but there's a few things so one is, I've kind of. I've sent her off to kind of figure this out with Apple because I'm not an Apple ecosystem expert. I don't. I don't know it that well. And this is one of those times when I'm grateful that the Genius bar exists, maybe. Hopefully. I don't know. I don't know what they're going to be able to resolve. But the other thing that it has sprung me into action on is getting image setup once and for all. Because we got it kind of like half set up last time, but it was kind of a hassle and then it kind of broke and stuff. But now Hexos has like a one touch, not one touch, but like an easy install, easy setup for image that Nate actually used during his AMD ultimate tech upgrade. And I couldn't believe how easy it was after having gone through setting it up before the hard way on Truenas, I was like, this is insane how easy this was.

[Luke]

I think, I think some more content on like containerized hosting could be interesting. I don't know how you make it entertaining enough for an LTC video, but

[Linus]

I think we can.

[Luke]

I mean, containerized hosting is like very approachable these days and really cool.

[Linus]

Here's a. This video. Paying for cloud storage is stupid. We just. We did a fun. We did a fun intro with Riley where an old guy is watching TV and it's a viral grab and smash. Old people are breaking young people's phones. Oh, no. And then, hey, Billy, you know, whatever. Anyway, the point is. The point is that's what we do.

[Luke]

I never knew Elijah and a spinner hat existed and now I need more Elijah and a spinner hat in my life.

[Linus]

We put an entertaining package around something as boring as building your own nas.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And yeah, I think, I think we can. I think we could totally put some. Some lipstick on that lecture.

[Luke]

Yeah, yeah, I think that would be pretty cool because it's like actually really interesting right now and I think that would be an interesting way to introduce. I don't think we've done any mainline videos on it. Introduce like local hosting LLMs, you know?

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah, we had a conversation about that during writers meeting as well. Actually, it's supposed to be a topic for WAN show today, so why don't we just. What are we supposed to be talking about?

[Luke]

I thought we actually had a really good segue to plex because you were just talking about.

[Linus]

We did. And we also had a really good segue to another thing earlier that we just didn't take. So I don't know.

[Luke]

Whatever.

[Linus]

Good luck everybody.

[Luke]

Throwing segues?

[Linus]

No, let's talk about local hosting. LLMs.

[Luke]

Sure.

[Linus]

So Nick Harris, that's one of the things that he did for his AMD ultimate tech upgrade. And when I kind of grilled him, like, I didn't even just ask, I was like, no, but like, what are you going to do with it? His answer was basically, I don't know, automate lights and stuff and ask it questions and, and, but then also like some, some more like, like Google Home, like Google Assistant stuff. And that's cool, but it's one of those things that we don't really need to. We don't really. It's not something that I personally need is what is. I guess I think the thing for

[Luke]

me is local hosting, containerized AI stuff is learning how to do it.

[Linus]

No, no, that's.

[Luke]

The people know how to do it, then they can. And the problem right now is that there has never been a richer environment for harvesting the like, essence of who you are than interacting with LLMs.

[Linus]

Yeah, no, no, I know, but hold on, hold on. I'm going somewhere with this. So, so what I want to know, guys is what are you using it for? Because that's, that's part of the packaging.

[Luke]

What for LLMs.

[Linus]

What are you using your locally hosted LLMs for? I know PewDiePie did a video recently where he like made a locally hosted LLM to help him with like coding and stuff like that.

[Luke]

A lot of them.

[Linus]

That's pretty cool. But like, what are you guys, like, what are specifically you guys using your locally hosted LLMs and AI containers for?

[Luke]

He used it to write an. I think it was an add on for his browser that like fixed YouTube for him, which kind of brought back the subscription feed and got rid of shorts and did lots of other kind of stuff. I believe that was his local AI that did that. So there's cool stuff. My answer would be kind of probably annoying, which would be all of the same stuff that I use public models for.

[Linus]

Like, I don't.

[Luke]

I've talked about on the sentiment checks, sentiment analysis, idea, brainstorming for things. I don't, I don't. Again, I don't tend to use its output, but I will use it to help me get to a point where I am now generating good output. Because often, like trying to start a project or start an idea or kick off something, there's a lot of, I don't know how you describe the time, but like things akin to writer's Block where you're just sitting there trying to get your brain to slam through whatever the thing you're dealing with. So if I can be like, okay, what are like the basics of this concept that I'm trying to figure out, it can lay those basics out and then I can go find like YouTube videos or papers or whatever resources to dive off from there. I find that really useful. Yeah. Paralysis over analysis. Yeah, I'd rather just start cooking on things. And I'm not going to treat the AI output as the be all end all, but I can definitely treat it as a start.

[Linus]

Okay, we've got a few interesting ones. So Home Assistant, that's a kind of relatively obvious one and I think that's very related to what like Nick Harris was doing.

[Luke]

I think another really good one, which is a use case we're exploring right now is like if you have a really big task that you could use it to do that you could, that it could help you with that. Doing that in the cloud would be very expensive because it's a lot of work, but it's not technically super difficult. So, like the fact that most local models are not as advanced as certain things that you can get into the cloud, especially with really expensive subscriptions, isn't going to be a problem necessarily because this is definitely a task within its capabilities. You would just need to spend a bunch of money doing it in the cloud. You can use your local hardware to do that. You're not spending proportionally more.

[Linus]

There's a few good ones. Translating or subtitling media libraries is one that chat threw at us. Bible study is one that chat threw at us. Running Discord Bots. Discord Bots to do what? What do you guys want to do with them? So like there's so much you can do with this. Yeah, yeah, but what, like I want to get specific. Let's get specific.

[Luke]

Game time management. I know some people do that. They'll have a, like a sign up form. Like say, I know you used to play Left four Dead with the buys. Yeah. You could have a thing that's like, hey, I want to play Thursday at 7. Here's a sign up. We need eight people first. Eight people to sign up click on this thing and it like registers them. And people can sign up as like tentative or whatever else. Like there's, there's. I know that's a thing that exists. There's Discord bots for like verifying users. There's Discord bots for like auto moderator stuff.

[Linus]

Yeah, right.

[Luke]

There's. There's music bots. I'm sure you could make one of those.

[Linus]

All right, what else do you guys.

[Luke]

If we're being completely honest, a bunch of people have said in the chat they seem to be more comfortable with AI waifu type situations if they are locally hosted.

[Linus]

Yeah, okay, got it.

[Dan]

Enterprise resource planning.

[Luke]

Actually, yes, yes, yes.

[Dan]

If you want a Linux ISO, it.

[Luke]

Yep, yep.

[Linus]

We are using locally hosted LLMs to pull confidential corporate information out of documents. So document search, that one we had on our list already. Using it to update file names on Linux ISOs. So mass file management. Okay, that's interesting.

[Luke]

I have, I have perfectly organized your system. There is nothing there anymore, therefore there is no clutter.

[Linus]

Yeah, I mean that's what a backup I guess could be. Yeah, yeah, I deleted them too.

[Luke]

Your backup is gone.

[Linus]

Oh man. Slayer says I'm messing around with them to eventually replace Alexa to. See this is a funny thing because in some ways like I'm. I'm very like I'm a tech enthusiast, but in other ways I'm like so far behind the times. I don't use Alexa for anything and have never felt like I had a reason to use Alexa for anything.

[Luke]

I've never been okay with it, but I have been legitimately thinking of revitalizing an old project that I had that I was talking to Wendell about years ago where I was going to try to effectively build my own locally. And now it's like way easier. And I know people that have done it like it's, it's. Before it was like really hard. I was struggling and I eventually gave up. And now there's. I know multiple people that have done their own.

[Linus]

But to do what, what do you want your Alexa to do?

[Luke]

All of the things Alexa can do now is you can automate things. You can do voice control stuff for doing the like light controls.

[Linus]

It keeps coming back to light control House automation.

[Luke]

You could do it for.

[Linus]

How much light control do I need in my life?

[Luke]

You could do it for call. Basically you would use Alexa to. Or whatever you want to call this Jarvis or whatever to call other pre existing methods. So if you had like you could use it to use something else that you had set up that creates calendar events or something.

[Dan]

You give them tools.

[Luke]

Yeah, exactly. So it itself isn't really a thing. It calls other tools for you that aren't necessarily voice controlled.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

Set up calendar events, order something.

[Linus]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, calendar event. I mean, is that really more convenient?

[Luke]

Order something that way that I can't do.

[Linus]

I mean, oh, man, would I even want to. What would I. And, and may again, maybe this is just me being like me, me being a little old fashioned here. Just, just slight, just slightly old fashioned.

[Luke]

If you can't sit down.

[Linus]

And what would I want to order on like with my voice? Tell me something that I want to order with my voice. The last thing I ordered online was a servo for a, for an RC boat that burned out.

[Luke]

My thing like I'm just trying. My thing is if it's fully local.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And I can really secure it somehow, which needs more exploration. But can I. If I can feed it everything about me. Basically I'm walking around the kitchen. Can I ask like what do I need to do in the next four hours? And if it can respond over speakers and I can be like doing other things. That's useful. That seems pretty useful. But the problem is I would need to feed everything into this thing.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

So it becomes a security nightmare. Which is the exact same reason why I have never been down to do it with any open stuff.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And then if I am feeding everything into it, how is that happening without it being connected to the Internet? I do think there's ways. I've thought of ways a cup, a few different ways, but they're all kind of whack and sound like a lot of work. Which is why it doesn't exist yet. But it is possible the people that I know of that have done this are. They're just all connected to the Internet.

[Linus]

I mean, I think that's probably to be the most useful version of itself it can be. I think that's kind of gonna probably be a thing. One that, that I thought of a little while ago is Yvonne used to use this reading app called Dream where you like buy additional. You buy books chapter at a time with like credits. So you end up spending like obscene amounts of money if you like get really into a series. As far as I could tell, the only thing that made me think that they were not just AI slop was the fact that they had so many spelling errors in them. Like a lot of them were very like English as a second or third language written. But Yvonne assures me that when she was extremely bored at times and wanted to turn her brain off. Which to be clear, I don't begrudge her. I have my own turn my brain off things. I watch cartoons. That's my like, I am thinking about absolutely nothing right now. My brain is off thing to do. So it's like I see them as pretty much equivalent. But I Was like, hey, this would be cheaper probably if I just had, like, a 4070 in the basement and just generate another chapter. Okay, what else? What else we got? My best one is the one that monitors my stock portfolio and watches news and headlines to give me text updates through the day. So, yeah, local agents to monitor news or stocks or whatever. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

[Luke]

Again, requires, like, if your Jarvisy thing, if you're like Alexa but you built it yourself, thing is monitoring the output of agents. It would also be interesting for it to, like, effectively notify you. Like, it's the central link. It doesn't do a lot of things itself, at least the way I would want to build it.

[Linus]

All right, what else we got here? Custom bookmarks, embedded computing, judging my bottles. Okay, Game bots to farm resources. I mean, should we play games that are not fun to play, though? Maybe we just don't play those games. Is that crazy?

[Luke]

What is it? What is it?

[Linus]

Someone's talking about? They want their local. Their local AI to be a game bot to farm resources.

[Dan]

Just.

[Linus]

I don't know, man. Man, there's a. Wow. You guys have got lots of ideas. Okay, we might have to wait. Do we actually log floatplane chat anywhere? No. Okay, so basically I have to write down everything now. Yeah.

[Luke]

Good, good.

[Linus]

Maybe if you had

[Dan]

write that down too.

[Linus]

Nice. Nice. That's pretty solid. Okay. All right. Okay, cool. Well, this gives us somewhere. This gives us somewhere to start.

[Luke]

We were point. I don't know. I don't think it's still running, but it wasn't, like, playbackable. Like, you could watch the stream and have it go back. But we. There was one point in time where we had. We had logs of chat, and we might still have it. I just haven't looked at them in a very long time.

[Linus]

Yeah, this gives some ideas to kind of bring back to the. To the writing team and figure out, like, how we want to. How we want to package it, because that's. That's pretty important. The last thing we want to do is say, like, oh, hey, here's this thing, and you can totally set one up. And then, like, our YouTube ideas. Kind of boring. Yeah. Yeah, Very cool. Oh, wow. We went for a really long time without ever doing the CW announcements. Let's get those going. We have got something extremely special to announce on LTT Store this week, and this man is wearing it. The Floatplane T shirt is an exclusive drop for Floatplane members. So if you are a floatplane member, this is for you. And if you're not it might be time to join for exclusive launches, lower shipping fees with some tiers of floatplane membership and early access to events. It's printed on our classic poly blend T soft, breathable and pre shrunk and is available in regular and tall sizing. You can check it out at LMG GG floatplanet. I almost read that as Float Planet

[Luke]

E that makes do you remember that one time Apple couldn't log into our apple and it's because they were manually typing in the email for some reason instead of just copy pasting it and they did Float planet nice and they're like app denied because we can't type nice. So cool.

[Linus]

We are also expanding the cargo collection with two new pieces. Expanding the cargo collection with two new pieces. The cargo jacket uses that same durable cotton nylon spandex blend as our cargo pants.

[Luke]

That's where every single LD do store a photo with him. His face is identical.

[Linus]

Well consistency.

[Luke]

It's fascinating consistency.

[Linus]

All right. It has 10 pockets including magnetic flap chest pockets, secure zippered pockets, a dedicated phone pocket and a sleeve zipper utility pocket. It has a shoulder gusset for improved mobility and adjustable cuff button closures. Then we've also got our cargo shorts also in navy, same fabric but lightweight and summer ready with an above the knee modern cut 21 pockets including 2 magnetic cargo pockets, 4 zippered pockets, ykk zippers throughout, hammer loops and a gusseted crotch for mobility. Basically it's a wearable toolbox and I am totally okay with that. Check out the cargo collection at LMG GG Cargoes. Finally there's one more thing for lttstore. It's sign up and save. We're continuing our sign up offer for new subscribers. Anyone who signs [e-mail] welcome will receive a discount to save 10% off your first purchase when you sign up to be notified of upcoming product drops. So the types of notifications that you'll get limited. Drops new products as well as this is very important. True spec inventory drops. We do have some cable inventory coming. I am told that in the next six to 12 weeks we are expecting and this apparently was not a typo. Hold on. I don't want to get the number wrong now. Crap.

[Luke]

I don't even know what it is so I can't help.

[Linus]

75 cables.

[Luke]

Listen, get them while they're hot.

[Linus]

Get them while they're hot.

[Dan]

I'm just setting expectations.

[Linus]

Hold on.

[Luke]

The cables gonna be so expensive.

[Dan]

They're gonna be so expensive.

[Luke]

Guys, you're not gonna be able to afford the cables.

[Linus]

Just prepare yourself.

[Dan]

How much could one cable cost, Michael?

[Linus]

Here we go.

[Luke]

$300.

[Linus]

And you can actually. You can actually see what I said to Mr. Dave when he gave me this number.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Linus]

I said, is this a typo? We are expecting in the next six to 12 weeks, 57,000 units. Nice of cables, very solid number. So just because that's a big number does not necessarily mean that they will be in stock for very long. So you guys are going to want to go sign up lttstore.com welcome so that you are the first to know when we get a new drop of inventory. And then, yeah, make sure. Make sure you order right away, because when they come in, they just. Especially the hottest sizes, they just sell. All right, now it's time for us to give you guys a reason to place an order. And that's, of course, going to be our comms. A lot of live shows, they let you throw money at your screen and then they, like, might acknowledge you. Or maybe something like cool shows up on screen. Or maybe a robot dances in the background. That's pretty cool. Did you know unitree can. You can do that?

[Luke]

People should, like, get one for the Wayne show.

[Linus]

We should. Little dancing robot people can interact with your. With your. With your chat, and they can, like, make your robot dance. I was like, wow, okay, that's. That's actually pretty cool. But anyway, we don't do any of that.

[Luke]

Have it read out the merge messages, the checkout.

[Linus]

We do checkout messages or comms. And the way those is, instead of just throwing money at your screen, you throw money at your screen and you get high quality merchandise in return. And Luke, do you want to show them how it works? All you got to do is go to lttstore.com, add anything to your cart. It could be the new floatplane shirt. It could be our new cargo shorts or a cargo jacket. It could be a screwdriver. It could be a tech sack or a backpack. It could be anything. And then once you're in the cart, you'll see the checkout message interface. You type up a message, it goes to producer Dan. There he is. And he might pop it up on screen or he might respond to it, or he might curate it for me and Lube to respond to. Dan, do you want to show them how that works and hit us with a couple of curated comms?

[Dan]

Sure. Yeah. We got a bunch here today. Hey, Dan and co. Is DLSS5 actually AI slop or did Nvidia mess up using existing games? Would new Environments, models where people had no existing emotional connection have made it better received.

[Linus]

I mean, I think that was one of the things I had so many thoughts on DLSS5. It's actually a really great segment because I think Riley had a really interesting perspective. Luke brought his, of course, always excellent perspective. I said a bunch of stuff too. I felt like it was one of those things that I had so many thoughts about that without sitting down and like, typing up a script. I felt like live was not really the right format for me to express them all, because there was definitely a side of me that was, you know, like, this is outrageous. And then there was a side of me that was like, I wonder if the worst part of this is just that Nvidia showed it to us too early. And that was one of the things that I actually told our Nvidia rep. I was like, yeah, I think one of the worst things that you guys did was to tease this, because if you had just. I think their intent was like, man, this is gonna be so cool. This is like, this is a fraction of its power. Imagine its greatness once it's done. Let's show this to everybody. And all people are seeing is what you showed them instead of the potentially maybe really cool thing that maybe it's gonna be. But then also, hey, in spite of that, a lot of people are gonna hate that anyway. And for some very valid reasons.

[Luke]

I don't think it's the fault. Like, I.

[Linus]

It's complicated.

[Luke]

I do think in general, the peoples are getting less accepting of work in progress things because the benchmark for like what is a beta or what is early access has just completely lost any reason things will stay in beta states for their entire period of life that they're interesting.

[Linus]

I think the Gmail beta was six years or something like that. Five years. Minecraft Gmail was famously in beta for five years as a perfectly functioning email platform. What does beta even mean? And wait, is the part of the Linux Challenge out yet where we talk about sort of readjusting your definition of beta?

[Luke]

I don't think so.

[Linus]

Oh, okay. I'm not sure. Well, there's a bit in one of the Linux Challenge videos that either is out or is coming out. Apparently. Apparently it is. Yeah. Okay.

[Luke]

Oh, my bad.

[Linus]

Where we talked about how the word beta means really different things in different contexts.

[Luke]

Like, I used to really enjoy seeing super early builds of games. Yeah, we're like, really janky. Yeah, like you could kind of see the vision and it was like, okay, I like. It's. It's it's fun to see this early on. Everything's like wire frames and like kind of terrible but like you can understand what they're going for and they're showing off like a mechanic instead of the finished game or whatever. And that's cool. And now it's just like this is

[Linus]

basically the game if what you show

[Luke]

off isn't effectively perfect.

[Linus]

But there might be, there might be some bugs for some users that's like to. To like your typical, you know, console or like Windows gamer. That's pretty much my expectation of what beta means. And it got to the point where like I mean Firefox I think you were, you were rocking nightly.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

For like ages, years. And like that is probably more akin to what we would have traditionally thought of as beta. Yeah. Like back in the day.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And I was expecting there to be problems and stuff.

[Linus]

And then when I went over to the Linux side of things, all of a sudden beta means broken.

[Luke]

Like this doesn't work like you are a tester. Which is kind of what it was originally supposed to be like. I remember getting access to games when I was a wee lad getting beta access to games and having the like motivation of like I need to go find bugs and like actually trying to generate good bug reports and stuff. Because I was like wow, I can't believe I got access to this in development thing that has bugs. I want to be helpful and go help them find those bugs. And that's just not a thing anymore. Invite only beta access is now based on like sales. Like if you buy it early enough you get invite beta access. Back then you had to like apply like it was a whole thing. Yeah, it's, it's weird. So I think there's that. But then also I think the community is very right to be super, super skeptical of heavily AI backed projects at this point. And I think we are fairly early on in this whole thing and it makes a lot of sense for the community to speak out about what they want from these projects.

[Linus]

Yeah, I mean the community has gotten what they want by being very vocal about. Okay, maybe not many things but boy did we ever get the Sonic character fixed for the movies.

[Luke]

That was good though.

[Linus]

That was really good.

[Luke]

So like if they can help in video course. Correct.

[Linus]

I'm just, I'm not.

[Luke]

Lots of loud noises.

[Linus]

I'm not convinced video listened that Nvidia would have heard anything gamers said because I don't think, I think, I think this is one of those cases where both parties were talking completely past Each other. I think gamers were saying that thing you showed us, this isn't what we want. Here is the artful intent that we expect from our games. Games are a medium for artists to communic them a message and a vision to the world. They are not for AI generation. We don't want everything to get all samey and get that. That. What's it called? AI Something. Yes. Or whatever it is. I forget. Yes. Ification. Yeah, we don't want that. And then Nvidia was going guys, this is. This is like pre visualization. It's running on two 5090s. Obviously this isn't the finished thing. You're. You're completely focusing on the wrong issues. This is going to be built in as a tool for the game devs in order to realize their vision. You guys are completely missing the point. And both parties are going like this at each other and neither is listening to what the other saying at all as far as I could tell. And so no, I don't believe Nvidia is changing course at all.

[Luke]

But I also think it is right by the community to try.

[Linus]

Yes.

[Luke]

Yeah, I think that's more my point.

[Linus]

I think Nvidia's response was in, what was it, a keynote or an investor call didn't include their last revenue. Nvidia changes gaming to edge. Hold on here, let me see if I can find this. Yes. During their Q1 fiscal year 2027 earnings, GeForce GPU revenue was folded into a newly created edge computing segment that also covers PCs, workstations, AI ran base stations, robotics and automotive. Nvidia, the gaming company, no longer reports gaming revenues as a separate line item on their fiscal reports. I was trying to pretend to look shocked. I'm not actually shocked. I mean it's like the writing's been on the wall for a long time. But I think this is a. This is one of those weird times where I agree with you. No, no, I'd like. I'm sorry, that came across wrong. This is one of those weird times where I agree with what you said that when the community feels strongly about something, they need to speak up and make their voices heard. However, we may be overplaying our hands against another party that doesn't care what we think and could just as easily just go, okay, well then it.

[Luke]

I think it's important to keep in mind that they might not be the only ones listening. Yeah, I think, you know, Nvidia is such a huge ship and they have such more interesting waters to sail that it doesn't necessarily matter too much. But you know, people at intel working on ARC might be listening. People at AMD working on AMD GPU stuff might be listening.

[Linus]

Are we going to keep getting Arc DGPUs? Luke?

[Luke]

Maybe.

[Linus]

I hope so. Maybe. There's no guarantee right now.

[Luke]

Druid.

[Linus]

Yeah, maybe Druid.

[Luke]

Maybe Druid.

[Linus]

I don't think E has a code name yet. Do we know what E is supposed to be?

[Luke]

Evoker.

[Linus]

That's pretty cool. I like it.

[Luke]

I have no idea. Coming up with stuff top my head.

[Linus]

Okay. I'm gonna see if the autocomplete will tell me what's next. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. No, I don't. Elemental Elven. I think. I think we're just guessing. You guys cool? Yeah, no, I don't think we have a. I don't think we have a fifth one yet. Hopefully we're still going to get druid. But that leaves what like AMD whose commitment to building gaming GPUs. Waivers like my commitment to.

[Luke]

Is it going to finish the company? I don't know if this is in the dock but there's apparently some corsair sticks are going to be coming out with oh, cx.

[Linus]

Cmx. What's that company called again?

[Luke]

I don't remember.

[Linus]

Cxmt.

[Luke]

I think this like this morning. Yep. So.

[Linus]

Yep.

[Luke]

So like. And I think. I think we call. I don't know if it was me. I think it happened on the WAN show though. But I think we called this idea of RAM prices eventually being saved by effectively Chinese companies coming in. So maybe that happens elsewhere. I know there's a. There's a Chinese GPU that's like 400 and something bucks and it's around like 4060 performance. Is that true?

[Linus]

Needs driver updates and a pricing change. Yeah, it's. It's pretty bad. It is not. It is not close.

[Luke]

Not close. What is it close to a 40? That's not a helpful statement. What is it close to? Where's the 3060 on there?

[Dan]

Right here?

[Luke]

3060 is the most.

[Linus]

It's the most. This is a perfectly cromulent gaming card of.

[Luke]

It is. It has the highest percentage of any card on the Steam hardware survey. But that percentage is still only like 4%.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

So.

[Linus]

So what's that? The. The mode.

[Luke]

I think I don't always get those things mixed up.

[Linus]

Yeah, I think it's the mode. Okay.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Gaming mode. 3060. That's not. That's not a bad marketing tagline.

[Dan]

That's an incredibly nerdy joke.

[Linus]

Thank You.

[Dan]

That's, that's, that's gotta go on top 100 list.

[Linus]

Take that as a compliment.

[Luke]

But just, just because they're, they're performing there right now, which is. Does not mean forever. Yeah.

[Linus]

Man. Wouldn't have seen this one coming. Yeah, not even a little.

[Luke]

But like there is a market there. And that's the thing I kind of keep coming back to is like, you know what? Okay, sure, maybe there isn't. Maybe that market is really not that interesting to the Nvidia's, the Intel's, the AMD's of the world right now.

[Linus]

But it's still billions of dollars.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And somebody wants billions of dollars.

[Luke]

They were doing real well before the coin rush, before the AI rush. They were doing real well before then. They were pretty big players before then. That means there's room for that market. And if a Chinese company or any other company realistically. But let's be honest. If a Chinese company wants to step in and crush that market.

[Linus]

I'm not saying what kind of doctor it was.

[Dan]

Ready for another?

[Linus]

Yeah, I'm ready for another comm. Yes. Quickly.

[Luke]

Get us out of here.

[Linus]

Step on it. Hey, Wanda.

[Dan]

Dll looking forward to whale land this weekend and the new swag. Luke, did you catch the starship launch?

[Luke]

The. The kind of. Is that the question? Do you know what I'm talking about? The. The. The. We're gonna go.

[Linus]

No.

[Luke]

We're gonna go. No. Yeah, I did. I did catch it. It didn't end up going though, right? Am I crazy? Starship launch.

[Dan]

Did you see the starship maybe first?

[Luke]

Yeah, I definitely saw the starship maybe. Yeah. They're calling it the launch attempt at this point. Tries again for its launch window. Are we hearing static or is someone watching a really low bit rate starship launch?

[Linus]

That's weird.

[Luke]

Starship tries again first launch. Yeah, I was paying attention, but I don't think it actually. Went. Am I crazy?

[Linus]

No. Dark Guy two says yes. It launched. I watched it.

[Luke]

When the hell did it launch? I mean, it was this afternoon. No.

[Linus]

Is that what I'm.

[Luke]

Is this. No. Yeah, this I watched yesterday. I have not caught up to this.

[Linus]

May 22nd. Yeah. Successfully launches prototype of starship rocket. That looks pretty. That looks pretty launched to me.

[Luke]

They always launch in the middle of my workday.

[Linus]

I can't always, you know. The world does not revolve around you, Mr. Main Character. I need to get you another monitor.

[Dan]

That's about it.

[Luke]

Oh my goodness.

[Linus]

That would solve it.

[Luke]

Way to.

[Dan]

Way to prove that you're actually working Though.

[Luke]

Yeah, but then I want to, like, actually pay attention to it.

[Dan]

And then we'll just come back to work later. Flex time.

[Luke]

Yeah, but I can't.

[Linus]

Your system.

[Luke]

I can't always do that.

[Dan]

Sorry, I got to reschedule this meeting. There is doing a space. I think.

[Luke]

I think I rescheduled so many meetings that if my reason was I'm watching a video, I think people are going to get upset.

[Dan]

That is what we do here.

[Linus]

None of what's about to happen is financial Advice, but the SpaceX IPO is going to be wild.

[Luke]

It's going to be nuts, whatever happens. Yeah, it's going to be nuts. If there's no way that goes calmly.

[Linus]

It either goes to the moon or it splashes down in the ocean. There is absolutely zero in between.

[Luke]

But like, without landing on a pad. Oh, 100% totally horizontal.

[Linus]

In pieces.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Yeah. In many, many, many, many pieces. Not the intentional pieces. No, the unintentional pieces, man, they're.

[Luke]

What's the. What's the vibe, though? It was. It was all successful. Things went well. It seems like it just. On the. On the skimming I'm doing now, I'm getting spoilers.

[Dan]

This is awful.

[Luke]

I'll watch it later. Regardless. I watched all of them. Basically.

[Linus]

Two shreds.

[Luke]

You say 90% good stuff. Okay, cool. Sounds good. Booster failed on booster back ship did good. Starship landing was perfect. Mostly booster, mystery and boost, but okay. I mean, from in my perspective, it's a lot more important that the ship does well. Obviously you want them both to do well, but anyways, yeah, that's cool. Sweet. I'll check it out later. Thanks for the pink. So I did. I knew it got rescheduled. I didn't get. I didn't know it got rescheduled. To today. That's interesting.

[Linus]

Hey, some more AI related news. This one's kind of funny. In the weekly Linux kernel messaging list, Linus Torvalds delivered release candidate 4 for Linux 7.1. Included in his message, though, was Torvalds highlighting that the security mailing list has become almost entirely unmanageable due to individuals, each of whom are using the same AI tools, reporting the same bugs that those AI tools detected, creating massive duplication. Torvalds describes it as a pointless churn because AI detected bugs are pretty much by definition, not secret. So handling them on a private security list is wasteful and actually makes duplication worse since reporters can't see each other's submissions. He also wrote that AI tools are great, but only if they actually Help rather than cause unnecessary pain and pointless make believe work, feel free to use them but use them in a way that is productive and makes for a better experience. So simply put, if you actually want to add value, read the documentation, create a patch too and add some real value on top of what the AI did. Don't be a drive by, send a random report with no real understanding kind of person. Okay man. Is there a more based person alive today?

[Luke]

Doesn't necessarily seem like it. We were just talking about Linux and it made me think. I have an update on why. I'm fairly certain I know why mine didn't work. Should I talk about that?

[Linus]

Yeah, it's a little bit of a spoiler for a Linux challenge. In some part of episode three or episode four, Luke talks about Forza Horizon

[Luke]

6 which you guys told me would work.

[Linus]

I mean how could, how could they not know it is.

[Luke]

So I asked, I asked on a previous WAN show like oh, I don't think Forza Horizon 6 will work. It's a Microsoft game, whatever. And all of chat was like it'll work, it'll work. Five works. It'll definitely work. But I mean so it does, so it does work for some.

[Linus]

It works. Look, it says Silver. It works.

[Luke]

I don't love the rating system. It does work for some people.

[Linus]

The rating system? You mean the rating lies?

[Luke]

Yeah, I mean come on. I've been paying attention to Proton, dude.

[Linus]

Look, look, as someone who's pro Linux, very very excited about Proton and have been beating the Proton drum since the first time it got named Proton. As someone who has gamed extensively on Linux using Proton and just loves everything

[Luke]

about it, it's quite amazing.

[Linus]

Protondb is the biggest Proton glazing load of horse that exists on the Internet. I'm sorry but it just. So you'll have games that are like Gold, Diamond, Platinum, Ruby, Verified, perfect that are like full of people under them that are like this doesn't work on this, this, this, this, this and come on.

[Luke]

So the something that.

[Linus]

Okay, tell me about Forza.

[Luke]

Something that stood out to me. It was kind of interesting that quite a few people had no real problems

[Linus]

which is very cool. And other people super based love Proton.

[Luke]

Other people are the reason why it's Silver. And I was like this is really interesting to me that it's so drastic, the gap between the two and you know how. Yet again another spoiler. Elijah mentioned that it worked for him. He was like kind of surprised that it didn't work for me. I had the, the aha moment Last night I don't think I did that voice line quite well enough. But that's okay. Someone will get the reference.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Aha. It's still not very good.

[Linus]

Really isn't. You want to try a third time? Maybe it'll work. They do say the third time's a charm.

[Luke]

I had the realization last night and I asked Elijah, what brand of GPU do you have? Amd. I'm running an Nvidia card.

[Linus]

Finally a victim of Nvidia driver issues on Linux. I'm pretty sure because you've talked in the past about how just no issues. Who cares? Why?

[Luke]

Oh no, no. Why do people distro when I'm talking about that? It's the install of them.

[Linus]

Oh sure.

[Luke]

I still stand by that completely.

[Linus]

God.

[Luke]

Solve them is like a solved problem basically at this point.

[Linus]

Got. But it's but the drivers themselves. Yeah.

[Luke]

And I've. I've poked around to some other people that have been having trouble all Nvidia installs. I poked around to some other people having.

[Linus]

Do people list their specs?

[Luke]

I don't. That would be kind of nice.

[Linus]

Useless. Thanks for nothing. All right, cool. Sort by. Sort by people with issues. So use filter on the right. Yeah.

[Luke]

Type gpu.

[Linus]

Yeah, let's just do that. Yeah. GPU Nvidia. Let's go. Okay. Brilliant. Useless. Got it. Cool.

[Luke]

No reports yet on Steam deck. Can I just not do Steam Deck? What?

[Linus]

Oh, you. You had it set to Steam deck.

[Luke]

I don't know how or why I didn't do that. Oh, oh, I see all.

[Linus]

There we go. Okay.

[Luke]

Filter Nvidia. Okay, cool.

[Linus]

Some people have it working. Yeah. So that's. For normal gamers. This game is just awful to run on Linux with Nvidia. It's possible, but not great. Okay,

[Luke]

Interesting

[Linus]

audio missing windowing other. I had to disable enable full screen instability occasionally.

[Luke]

Thumbs up.

[Linus]

Don't glaze it. See, this is. Oh man. People are so much more upset when you say something should work and it doesn't versus if you just say it doesn't work. And a game that runs but crashes is not working. You know that's not silver. That's like vomit green. That's not good. Like we should have the same standard. And to be clear, I'm not. I don't want to take anything away from the incorrect incredible developers who work on Proton and Wine and all this like really cool stuff. It's super cool and it's amazing. But for a consumer facing tool like ProtonDB, it's not useful to misrepresent the experience to me. What does silver mean to you, Luke? If I tell you you're a pretty good. A Silver member in our club, that's pretty good, then that means you are. Yeah.

[Luke]

Silver to me on Proton DB is terrifying. Gold is questionable. Platinum is, like, nice. Yeah, that's usually how I see it. I also don't have to use it that often, though, because almost everything does

[Linus]

just work, which is super cool.

[Luke]

Fantastic. Skimming through here, it seems like it's instability. Things also, like. Like this person has. Works fine out of the box. Except there are significant bugs. Just like.

[Linus]

Hold on, hold on. Let me go to your laptop.

[Luke]

I already skimmed past it. I'd have to go. I don't know where it was, but there's. There's a lot of people on Nvidia thumbsing it down. Yeah, but like this one. Thumbs up ran like a dream. Except there's missing textures and there's performance problems. Mostly fine. But your mileage may vary. So it's like. It seems like if you do get it working on Nvidia, there's probably still some problems.

[Linus]

Yeah, it seems like.

[Luke]

And I am not.

[Linus]

And given that Nvidia is 95% of the DGPU market, that's. That seems pretty important.

[Luke]

But I think it's. I think it's even holding its silver rating rating as it is because of this Steam Deck status check mark verified.

[Linus]

You know what?

[Luke]

And the reason for that, it's. It's AMD in the Steam Deck. Right?

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

So. So there's a bunch of reports on here that are decently positive because I think it's people running, like, handhelds or. Or people who have AMD desktop gp.

[Linus]

Magnetic flux makes a really good point. Says I'm personally guilty of posting on protondb 5 minutes after I successfully launched a game because I'm all excited and I want to contribute. Not realizing the game is going to crash in two hours. That's so valid. So valid. And I get it. Like, that's the. You know, not everyone who posts on Proton TV is a. Is a grizzled veteran from the games QA industry. You know, that's totally fine, but there are a lot of posts on here where they clearly know that there's a lot of problems and still are, like, thumbs up. Love it. It's amazing. You'll love it. All right, what do we want to do next? I feel like we're sort of overdue to do a couple sponsor spots. Dan, am I correct? No, we should definitely do that now.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus]

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[Luke]

I forgot it was a full plan announcement. I thought you were actually talking about Mod Matt and I. I was like actually genuinely so interested.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Luke]

I got so baited.

[Dan]

So here's Emmy.

[Linus]

This is me. This is me. Probably arguing with Chat GPT. Yeah, probably. How long did this end up being? Oh my God, it's an hour and 22 minutes.

[Luke]

So, effectively, Sammy was just like, I ain't cutting this. And people seem to like it, I guess.

[Linus]

So what all. What all do we have? Are there time? No, there's no time stamps. We made a mini movie. People are liking it. Yeah, people are liking the crap out of this. Okay, so we have Luke reacting to Linus's creating, like, an MVP plan. That's the bulk of the video. No. Then we have Luke and Dan doing whatever they were doing. This is different Dan, by the way,

[Luke]

I'm then kind of.

[Linus]

This. This is mine, mine, mine, mine, Dan. Sorry. I'm just. I'm joking.

[Luke]

It's not like the bird.

[Linus]

I know it's not like the bird, but it sounds like the bird.

[Dan]

Just call him Better Dan. It's easier.

[Linus]

I mean, I wouldn't say better. Smarter, maybe.

[Dan]

Smarter. More handsome, more. Technically, it's better.

[Luke]

He's better Dan.

[Linus]

He's awesome.

[Luke]

I appreciate my people equally.

[Linus]

I like both dens equally.

[Dan]

But if you had to save one in a fire,

[Linus]

who lit the fire?

[Dan]

It was me. Okay.

[Linus]

I guess I'm gonna save the other Dan.

[Luke]

Dan.

[Linus]

There you go. Maybe don't light the fire. Anyway, the point is, see, how did I know it was gonna be this Dan who lit the fire? How did I know that?

[Dan]

I have a problem.

[Linus]

Okay, back to this. Right? So I haven't actually seen this yet. You guys reacting to the. You know. You know this system has been deployed for, like, six months now, right? Yeah, it actually. For all of its warts.

[Luke]

Yeah. The final state is, like, I'm sure you guys discovered. Quite impressive.

[Linus]

It actually worked. Yeah. Yeah. And so it has, like, kind of. It has like, a flow where you can go through and, like, do these, like, just run these. These, like, little scripts. Do a bunch of, like, really, really, really horrible spaghetti code things. And then it gets to.

[Luke]

I mean, I've seen worse.

[Linus]

Dan explaining to Linus how his much better tool works, and then finally. Oh, this is included. Apparently, this was not meant to be included. Sammy just included the part of the meeting where I explain to Dan S. How the current system is working perfectly for specifically men's doubles. With the ELO system, as long as we only want to run one event at a time. But it doesn't work with singles, mixed doubles. It doesn't work if we want to sign up together. So if we want to play men's doubles as a team, like, because you need a hard carry.

[Luke]

I took no offense. Yeah.

[Linus]

Our current system does not support that. It has no flexibility for how many players are on each court. So it assumes four players per court. And if we don't have an even multiple of four, there's a court that can't play just that simple. Whereas it would be nice to be able to do, like, courts of five. And because everything's. If we have an odd number, it's just to kind of to eat up the extras. And because it's just elo. As long as you're playing the right number of matches in a night, then it doesn't really matter who you. Who exactly you play, like, what exactly the play order is. So. So, Dan. So because it's vibe coded and because I don't actually, like, understand what I created, and because of the scope has gotten so broad to be able to include all those different formats and stuff, the AI Got, like, extremely confused. I actually showed Dan s some of the outputs that I was getting from it where I'd be like, leave no placeholders. And then it would like, crap out a thing that's like, here's some placeholders for what we're going to do next. I'm like, no, no, I just told you, no placeholders. Just do the thing. And it's like, oh, you wanted placeholders? Sure, I filled this with placeholders. It's ridiculous. So what Dan is going to do is he's going to take his, like, better version and he's going to add a bunch of cool functionality and it's going to be awesome. One of the other things I want to do is just like, impromptu ranked match. So you can go on like a ladder night and play against people that are like, similarly ranked to you. Like you would in like a. Like a ranked game. Right. Or you can actually just like, sign up as a four and you can just play a ranked match anytime. I want to put like, iPads next to the courts and you can just like, boop your wrist things and go like, okay, play ranked match. And then you're. If you're that good at carrying or if you, you know, can win an upset victory against someone who's a lot better than you, then you can boost your score pretty well that way. It's going to be pretty cool. Anyway, that's live, right? We're doing flip plane announcements before you write. Oh, yeah. Okay, so for the. For this video, before you write, why not use X AI model or why not do Y AI software? This was shot like a so long ago. Wow. A year ago.

[Luke]

It's like actually way out of date when you consider how AI Stuff goes.

[Linus]

Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, it was just stuck in production hell and we're not gonna.

[Luke]

I'm just saying that's. That's why it never released on the main channels because I think it was would if we release it within the flow plane ecosystem most people are going to like give it enough time and attention to understand that it's an old project and a bit of a time capsule and whatever and it's fine. If you try to release this on the main channel the top comment is going to be like you're an idiot. Mighty's Claude code or open cloud gentic whatever. So it's just.

[Linus]

It just wasn't worth it basically. Sorry, the last thing. Sorry, I'm dying. The last thing we have for full plane announcements this week is it's up our video on the Trump T1 phone. The Internet was wrong. Trump Phone is shipping. It's basically a look at the entire saga that has been Trump mobile and the T1 phone. It's a really cool video. Riley actually co wrote it with me and we let him out of the techlinked dungeons and the creative sponsor productions dungeons for a little bit to work on this together and he actually interviewed. Here he is Dom from the Verge who has been at the forefront of information on the Trump Phone. So he's a collaborator for the video as well. It's actually a really cool video. You guys are gonna wanna check it out. So it's over on Floatplane LMG GG FPWEN where you can watch the movie length vibe coding challenge video as well as get early access to the Trump Phone video. All right, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing?

[Dan]

Let's do some more topics.

[Linus]

Okay, Luke, do you want to pick? Here's a challenge for you. Pick the best news topic out of what remains. What I'm going to see if I can pick which one I think that you think is the best news topic.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Linus]

Okay. Okay, I picked one.

[Luke]

Oh, the timing on that.

[Linus]

Okay. Is it?

[Luke]

I don't think it's going to be. It was not the same.

[Linus]

Okay, hit me.

[Luke]

Microsoft admits faulty drivers were killing Windows 11 battery life for years. Windows. Windows is old driver testing system was too narrow because it mostly checked for crashes but not for background issues like battery drain, overheating or sluggish performance. And as a result bad third party drivers could have been slipping through for the aforementioned years. Those overlooked drivers could prevent laptops from entering proper low power states. What like sleep or hibernation? No way. Causing hidden battery drain, heat and general performance issues. Even when the system Looks stable. Also known as cooking in your backpack. Microsoft is now fixing this issue by expanding driver quality rules to include power and thermal efficiency and everyday performance. They're also blocking or automatically rolling back problematic drivers via Windows Update so they don't keep quietly harming devices.

[Linus]

This is. See, you do have the same level of enthusiasm.

[Luke]

This one I think is more important and bigger.

[Linus]

You claimed you weren't going to have the same enthusiasm.

[Luke]

This one is more important or bigger.

[Linus]

I want to see Microsoft right the ship and I'm here to cheerlead it the whole way. And this is something that should have been dealt with ages ago and it's important to talk about that. But it is such a step in the right direction and I want to see them stick to it. And I'm so excited to have Windows laptops suck less and this seems like a big part of it.

[Luke]

It's pretty late, but it's not too late. It's not that small. Actually. This is a pretty big deal. So hopefully they keep stacking these.

[Linus]

Hopefully it keeps going well, even on the desktop. This kind of thing just drives me absolutely nut. Like, like whenever your stupid like monitor doesn't actually turn off. Off. You know, it just go. The screen just goes black. But like it doesn't turn off like that kind of like power saving, power management stuff drives me crazy. No matter whether I'm on a battery or not.

[Luke]

It's fascinating to me that just like I don't experience these problems like I've. I don't think I've heard of someone experiencing a sleep issue on a MacBook maybe ever. I don't think so. I'm not sure.

[Linus]

The craziest part of that one is that all five of the systems in the LAN area are identical. Four of them even down to the monitor. And only one of them has this issue. Just my youngest daughter's machine. The monitor doesn't turn off. Yeah, can't explain it. I do driver updates on them at the same times and I had my.

[Luke]

Was having sleep issues. Now keep in mind they did that update recently where they said sleep issues are way better now. And I stopped using Windows before that happened. So maybe it's fixed now, but my laptop was having sleep issues. Went to Mint. No more sleep issues.

[Linus]

Gilmore D. Says it's driving me nuts. My monitors do sleep, but my windows are resized when they wake up. I hate that issue. That is so flipping annoying. I know what you're talking about.

[Luke]

I haven't had when they all do the or.

[Linus]

No, no, when. When they. When they're like this big and all the UI elements are like all squished and stupid, you're like, obviously that isn't what I wanted. And it seems to be related to like, scaling issues or something or. Or like not knowing what resolution of panel they're connected to. So like, while they're sleeping, they think they're on like a 640 by 480 VGA thing and they like cram everything into a thing and then. And then it gets big and it's like, well, going manually. Drag them all. Ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, I hate that. You know what? So here's what I. Here's what I thought he was. I thought he was gonna go more. More. Gamer pick. Valve has made some changes to the set of game tags on Steam, including the addition of 17 new tags, the removal of 28 tags, and the merging or updating of several others. These updates are intended to help players more easily identify games that match their interests, while also improving Steam's ability to generate relevant recommendations. Steam said each year we typically add a few new tags based on community feedback, but it has been a while since we last did so. This was most recently in 2024 when they added Dice, Dwarf, Boomer, Shooter and Elf tags. In the time since, we've built up a list of tags to add, remove and update.

[Luke]

Does Dwarf and Elf really help you? Do people buy games based on if there's elves in it?

[Linus]

Depends what they're doing with those games, Luke.

[Dan]

Okay. All right.

[Linus]

Removed tags include 3D vision, rest in Peace, Ambient America, Blood, Crowdfunded, Cult classic documentary drama, Dungeons and Dragons, Electronic Experience, feature Film, Foreign.

[Luke]

That makes sense.

[Linus]

Game Maker, Games Workshop, Illuminati. Why did they remove that?

[Luke]

I'm a little surprised they removed blood.

[Linus]

Sorry?

[Luke]

I'm a little surprised they removed blood.

[Linus]

Yeah, Kickstarter, Lego Masterpiece Mature.

[Luke]

Surprised they removed that one.

[Linus]

Movie narration, nsfw. Really?

[Luke]

That seems like the most obvious tag to keep.

[Linus]

Roguevania, RPG Maker, Warhammer 40K web publishing, and well written. Really? We removed well written?

[Luke]

That also seems weird.

[Linus]

Added tags include kind of a rating. Bullet Heaven Desktop Companion. Are we talking bonsai, buddy, or are we talking about the elven thing?

[Dan]

You know, vampire survivors.

[Linus]

Those are now Bullet Heaven Games instead of Bullet Hell.

[Luke]

Bullet Hells?

[Dan]

No, because Bullet Hell's the bullets are bad, but your bullets are good. They're your bullets. They're hell for everyone else.

[Linus]

Okay, Sorry. What's the difference?

[Dan]

Bullet Hell.

[Linus]

You're. You're the tiny specs and things attack me and that's Bad. But in Bullet Heaven.

[Dan]

Vampires?

[Luke]

No, other way around. So in Bullet Hells there's lots of bullets coming towards you and you need to avoid them and fight back. And a Bullet Heaven, all of those. There's lots of enemies coming towards you, but not projectiles. And you are sending the projectiles out. Yeah, like in Vampire Survivors, there's tons of projectiles coming out of you all the time.

[Linus]

Yeah. No, I mean I played games, so

[Luke]

it's just the direction.

[Linus]

So wait, is this to you Hell,

[Dan]

instead of calling them Survivors Likes like what is a Castlevania?

[Luke]

Is that a Castlevania?

[Linus]

Like

[Dan]

no, it is the Castlevania. So what kind of game is Vampire Survivors? It's good. Vampire Survivors?

[Linus]

Yeah, originally known as Survivors Likes or Reverse Bullet Hells according to the AI overview. Okay, you know what? I'll allow it. Organizing, cleaning, decorating, Wuxia. Wuxia, Xianxia. What are these Dan's looking at?

[Luke]

Martial heroes or Martial Chivalry? Martial Arts and Chivalry, a genre of Chinese fiction and low fantasy concerning the adventures of martial artists in ancient Read

[Linus]

more Falling Blocks, Espionage Samurai, Zoo Wolves, Capybaras, Nice Animals, Cult Poker and Language Learning I can see why you picked the Windows topic. I honestly didn't scroll down that far

[Luke]

so I picked a better one this and thought it was maybe not that interesting. I also don't really use the tags on Steam much though.

[Linus]

Oh, I love the tags, but a lot of them. A lot of the time I end up using like community tags more. But for for me the most important tags are like local multiplayer couch co op.

[Luke]

Yeah, but I just scroll down to the officially filled out by the game version of those.

[Linus]

Oh, sometimes the community ones can be really good.

[Dan]

These are also for those people to help categorize. And there's been a bunch of merges as well. It's kind of move on probably.

[Linus]

This is cool. The battle over users rights to mod smart TV software is heading to trial. Ars Technica reports that Vizio is heading to trial over claims that it violated open source Linux licenses by not giving TV owners the full source code for their smart TV os. The nonprofit Software Freedom Conservancy has spent. Oh Vancy, excuse me, has spent eight years trying to get people access to their TV source code in order to let them customize their devices, say for example, by disabling ads and tracking or adding their own features. Visio counters that the open source GPL or general public license doesn't give consumers the legal right to sue and disputes that it owes users that level of access. This August, a California jury is going to decide who is right. The SFC's main argument is that open source GPLs may be enforceable by consumers, not just by tech companies and developers. So we're kind of getting into contract law theory that could expand who gets to enforce GPL obligations. A judge already ruled Visio doesn't have to guarantee that modded TVs will still work afterward. That makes a lot of sense, only that users can obtain and modify the source code itself. Linus Torvalds has chimed in on this case before. In a blog post he agreed that GPLs are mainly about source access, not about forcing companies to unlock hardware. Smart TV companies increasingly make money from ads and tracking rather than hardware sales. So if Vizio loses, it could make it easier for users to fight TV manufacturers across the whole industry, which could have a knock on effect of making TVs finally more expensive. All right, here we go.

[Luke]

Cool.

[Linus]

How's that a hot take?

[Luke]

I want them to be more expensive. I just want there to not be ads.

[Linus]

Sorry, I think I misheard you. Did you say you want them to be more expensive?

[Luke]

I am completely okay with TVs being more expensive as long as they're not force feeding me ads. Okay, I don't want the ads.

[Linus]

What if they just weren't more expensive and didn't have ads?

[Luke]

That's great. That's not going to happen.

[Linus]

Yeah, well, a girl can dream, right?

[Luke]

Yeah. So I'm trying to look at what I think is the reality is if they can't service ads, the price is going to go up and I'm preferring that reality.

[Linus]

Okay, here's a question. Here's a question for you. So this will only affect Linux based operating systems. Is Tizen Linux based? Just assuming they all are, I don't think WebOS is Tizen is Linux based? Yes, WebOS is also based on the Linux kernel originally developed by Palm and later acquired by LG. Uses a Linux foundation combined with web technologies like HTML5 and JavaScript. Okay, I did not realize that WebOS was Linux based. Interesting, interesting.

[Luke]

Officially on LG's website they say it is.

[Linus]

So what? Are there any TV OS options that are not Linux based? I also don't know specifically what exactly Vizio has done to draw their ire. Maybe they just were a smaller target that seemed easier to go after to try to get a ruling. And then, you know, they could use to go after Samsung and the rest of them. Or maybe it's because the Vizio brand is owned by Best Buy so it's easier to go after them in the U.S. i'm not, I'm not sure why we singled out Vizio specifically here or whether this will actually apply more broadly, but it would be very cool to. Man, what would this even look like? So you can get the source code but then do what with it? Like what is it that they're. What is it that we're hoping to achieve here? Oh, sorry, Walmart. Walmart. Not Best Buy, Walmart. Other. Other giant US Megacorp. Thank you for that.

[Luke]

Noki's saying Roku is not Linux. Wikipedia, the best source of for sure, definitely correct information on the Internet says that it's Linux based OS family Linux on embedded systems. Is Wikipedia wrong?

[Linus]

I mean it wouldn't be the first time they might be.

[Luke]

Are they incorrect?

[Linus]

Everything I can find seems to suggest that Roku is based on Linux. So Crystal says kill the ads, put in custom backgrounds. I don't know. And yes, that's fair enough, but just because we have the open source code doesn't mean that we will be able to do anything with it after it's been modified and after we put it back on our tv. Unless, you know, the TV gets rooted or whatever else. But in that case, man, there's like, would we. I'll admit to you, I don't know much about the hardware architecture of TVs. Like, I don't know how many models in a given model year are all going to be using like the same basic hardware platform and you know, the same code base. Like if there was a, if there was a route for some Vizio tv, what are the odds that it would apply to, you know, every TV in that series? What are the odds that it would apply to every TV in that model year?

[Luke]

I feel like pretty high.

[Linus]

You think it'd be pretty high?

[Luke]

I think pretty high,

[Linus]

yeah. I don't know. I have, I have to admit I have torn down like one tv basing

[Luke]

that on not a lot cool, but I feel like pretty high. I'm currently voting with pretty high.

[Linus]

He's. He's got the vibes right now. I like it.

[Luke]

Yeah. All right, well, Roku is definitely based on Linux. By the way, I found something on the Roku engineering blog talking about it's built on top of Linux.

[Linus]

All right, well Luke with the most ice cold of hot takes today, very cool indeed. Definitely rooting for them.

[Luke]

I would. Seriously though, I would, I would happily pay more for a TV if it didn't have ads and stuff.

[Linus]

I definitely don't want TVs to cost more. And the crazy part about it is I actually don't. I don't know if I think that they should need to.

[Luke]

Anything cost more.

[Linus]

Like we did that video on.

[Luke]

I would prefer if, if everything. Like I think we're getting into silly numbers with a lot of things. I wish just everything cost way less and I would be also okay if people proportionally made less. It is very silly to me. Like, I remember and I know this, this is based on nothing, but I remember when I was a kid, the first time my dad was filling up gas and the like price per liter was over a dollar. I would just be like, that's dumb. The dollar amount shouldn't go up faster than the leader amount does. That's obviously stupid. It's like, it's purely like, just vice versa.

[Linus]

You want to do like the opposite of like a stock split but for like money kind of like like a consolidation.

[Luke]

And it happens in video games. The like damage numbers will get too high. Some, some like MMO will have expansions for like 10 years and they'll be

[Linus]

like a million damage.

[Luke]

12 trillion damage per hit. That's stupid. And then they do, they do a number crunch because things get a little ridiculous. Yeah, I don't think we're actually there yet, but I like it feels like we're trending that direction.

[Linus]

I don't think it matters. I think we just need to. I think we just need to adjust our cash money to make it make sense. Like when I was a kid already a quarter was like, okay, I can buy like a couple candies now. What's a quarter? It's like nothing. So why don't we just have like, like a $1 coin and a $5 coin and like, you know, a $10 coin. Like why, why is everything like they still have a $1 bill in America, right? Like they still don't have a $1 coin. Is that right?

[Luke]

Well, I don't know if they don't have a $1 coin, but they definitely have a $1 cents bill.

[Linus]

They have both you guys have coins now. Good for you. Do you have a two dollar coin yet?

[Luke]

Toonies are dope.

[Linus]

They have one dollar coins, but they're not used. No. Okay. No, I know that you guys have them. I just mean like are they common?

[Luke]

I don't know. I don't think so.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, I know they're a thing. No, they're not common at all. Okay, see this? No, this is what I'm talking about. I know that. Yeah. I mean, you. There's, there's lots of like, technically it's real currency. Canada has a $50 coin, but like nobody ever uses it. Do you know Canada has a $50 coin?

[Luke]

I've heard of it, but I think isn't it more just like a collector's item thing? You can buy them with like fancy imagery on them. And that's basically it

[Linus]

here. It's more of like an investment thing. So this is silver coin. This is all about the value of the silver. It is not about the actual like face value. The face value of it. And I'm pretty sure that's like totally a thing in the States too, where they have like weird denominations of coins and stuff. Yeah, I'm like, I'm pretty sure the, like there's face values on like these two. Like here's a $200 coin.

[Luke]

Yeah. Just like it costs you $4,800 to buy it.

[Linus]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke]

What is. What is that one? Crown jewels. What is that one?

[Linus]

Crown jewels?

[Luke]

The $50,000 coin.

[Linus]

$50 coin.

[Luke]

$50,000 coin.

[Linus]

What is this?

[Luke]

That's what I'm saying.

[Linus]

A five ounce coin. What? How big is that thing? 50 grand. Okay. Now it's Canadian rubles. So like I don't know, US$35,000? No more than that. They're worth something.

[Luke]

By part of a sandwich.

[Linus]

They're worth something. Man, the pricing of this stuff is so dumb. Like, so dumb.

[Luke]

Why is funny that it's legal tender though. It is funny that you could.

[Linus]

You can technically. You can technically take this to Red Robin with a group of 10 people and have it not be enough money. Like it's. How did we get on this subject?

[Luke]

Who knows?

[Linus]

I don't know. But anyway, based. Hope they win in court. Hope it actually does lead to Vizio having to open up their TVs one way or another. Hope there is a domino effect that causes TVs to not be able to spy on us. Hope it doesn't impact TV pricing too much because I'm actually going to push back on that one. We did recently cover a scepter TV that was a whole tv. Yeah. With a whole panel and backlight and processor. And networking. No, wait, it didn't have networking. But it does have a processor. It does need at least something. And it was. It was. Had no spyware and was not really much more expensive. And like, I do think that the TVs that do have network connectivity and processing, more sophisticated processing and all of that do have Additional costs. But it clearly, if Scepter can sell that profitably, then those TVs that don't spy on us don't need to be that much more expensive. I hope.

[Luke]

I do find often when companies are like, oh my God, we, we have to, we have to do this. We have to insert the ads into our product that you bought. It's the only way we can stay profitable. I do find that, you know, they were a profitable company, then they did that, the price didn't exactly go down. I feel like the consumer never wins in any of these scenarios.

[Linus]

So good news, man. Show. All right, here's one.

[Luke]

Firefox.

[Linus]

Yeah, this is cool. Yeah.

[Luke]

Firefox 151 expands PDF editing capabilities while easy platform migration. Mozilla has released Firefox version 151. In the new version, you can now merge PDFs right in the browser, not just split and edit them.

[Linus]

Look out, Adobe.

[Luke]

I don't think I realized how good Firefox was at editing documents because I mentioned that I tend to use Sejda stuff recently to someone and they were like, oh, I just use Firefox. I was like, why? You can just view it there? No, you can edit it. That was a little bit surprising for me. I still haven't tried to do it, but that's cool. Yeah. In a Win For Linux and macOS users, Firefox profile backups now work cross platform, so you can export your setup from Windows and restore it on Linux or macOS with extensions and themes intact. Mozilla appears to be polishing the UI ahead of a bigger redesign called Project Nova. The new tab page is now Firefox Home, with rounded search bars, customizable wallpapers, more shortcuts and widget tweaks and all that fun stuff. And Firefox private browsing now includes a End private Session button that lets you quickly clear session data and start a fresh private session without closing the browser window. So it won't be like super obvious when your parents walk into the room.

[Linus]

Well, they're still maybe going to wonder why you have a private browsing window open at all. But I can provide you with an easy answer. Was because I really needed to see how this website looks when I'm not logged in. I was doing a report on algorithmic ads and content servicing.

[Luke]

You're also helping your friend shop for something and you wanted to make sure that you weren't getting biased pricing and maybe you needed to log into something and you didn't want to mess with your login sessions and your browser.

[Linus]

That's what I do.

[Dan]

I've got two windows open right now in an incognito tab, plus the other two I don't talk about on the show.

[Luke]

What are you doing, Dan?

[Dan]

I got three monitors.

[Luke]

Is that a rocket launch or.

[Linus]

He doesn't get one for that.

[Luke]

I never get dings. It's okay.

[Linus]

You have to tell that joke balls are bluer than the floatplane logo.

[Luke]

That's pretty blue. Speaking of.

[Linus]

I don't know, but what kind of blue? Yeah, we talked about on the show. There's no official float plane blue. Fun fact, it's just blue. We just kind of.

[Luke]

There's also no official float plane plane.

[Linus]

We just like kind of make it up as we go along. Oh yeah, the plane is always different. Like this plane is not even like the same kind of float plane, I don't think as the kind on the back of his shirt. Yeah, you don't. You don't think about that.

[Luke]

Don't worry about it.

[Linus]

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's a non concern.

[Luke]

The logo stays consistent. Everything else is. Who knows? NBC and CNET got their Trump phones.

[Linus]

They sure do.

[Luke]

They're real, they're out there, and they have 3 1/2 millimeter headphone jacks. Wow, that's exciting. However, the Verge has released an article questioning if the phone has actually shipped. Outside of two media samples, there are no signs that a single T1 phone has actually shipped. A joking observation. One of the TechLinked writers pointed out that the phone's color is more of a P yellow than a gold. But for some, that might be a feature, not a bug.

[Linus]

Okay, that's. That's a deep cut. Are we. Are we talking about the. The. Okay, yeah, that. Mm. Fun.

[Luke]

Discussion. Question. I think you've touched on this a lot before, but can you explain why some media outlets are more likely to get an early access to tech than others? Did we get a Trump phone? Do you have one? Do you have a P. Yellow phone in your pocket?

[Linus]

We did not get a Trump phone.

[Luke]

Or is that just a rocket?

[Linus]

I did supposedly put down a deposit. Someone told me that we put down a deposit. So as far as I know, we have a deposit now as. As, like as a user, as a. As a purchaser. So we should theoretically get a opportunity to pay the balance because we haven't paid for the entire thing yet. The really weird one for me is like the. The relationship between this particular president and the people close to him.

[Luke]

Fascinating.

[Linus]

And news media.

[Luke]

Fascinating.

[Linus]

Like, if they were gonna seed a media outlet. Wouldn't it be one American network or like Fox or something? Why NBC? Like, who knows? I, I thought NBC is fake news. Like, I just, I don't, I don't follow the logic. And if you understand the logic, I don't know. I. Let me know. Let, let me, let me know.

[Luke]

Sure. AI is coming and the youth are booing it.

[Linus]

This is pretty funny.

[Luke]

During a commencement speech at the University of Arizona, former Google CEO Eric Schmidt was reportedly booed as he began discussing AI and its role in shaping the future. Students drowned out parts of his speech, especially when he urged them to brace AI. He attempted to acknowledge their fears, such as job displacement and instability. Yeah, a pretty big fear for people in school right now.

[Linus]

Yeah, they're graduating. Their timing is like terrible to be joining the workforce. Yeah.

[Luke]

But the crowd continued to react negatively. Wow. Surprise. As tech radar put it, learn to read the room. The incident appears to have prompted discussion around young people's rising anxiety that I will replace entry level jobs, weaken career ladders, and primarily benefit corporations and elites rather than graduates entering the workforce. One giant tech personality that appears to have, appears to understand these kids is Steve the Woz Wozniak, who gave a commencement speech at Grand Valley State University that featured him telling the audience, you all have AI actual intelligence. A statement that got him a big round of applause. The text says, I'm going to butcher this. So maybe that is true. But Wozniak also had a good joke about computer engineers constantly trying to figure out how to make a brain and eventually learning that it takes about nine months to make a brain. Okay, yeah, I mean, that's pretty good. Yeah. What a, what a, yeah, I mean, what an obvious thing to happen. Can you imagine not expect that?

[Linus]

Can you imagine being a billionaire and going up in front of a bunch of students and thinking that they are going to be excited about our AI infused job market. Like, I just, I, I, it's, it's a funny thing because I just, it doesn't seem that hard to just kind of, I don't know, look at the front page of Reddit once every week or two. Like I don't think read a little bit of like news, read like a comment section on like New York Times article about AI, you know, just, just, just. And maybe, maybe this is a weird thing, you know, how my whole thing is that I actually consume comments often more than the actual source media. And that's an instinct that either I had initially or has been kind of beaten into me. Because it's a huge part of how I've managed to stay reasonably successful on social media for so long is that I'm constantly looking at like, okay, well like what is the room? And trying to, trying to read that versus just like, you know, what is the established narrative. To me it's obvious that even if you like should definitely, you know, consume source media as well, seeing what people sentiment about it, it is, is as important.

[Luke]

It can help you if you might have missed something.

[Linus]

Totally, totally. It does.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

You're basically like, you're, you're crowdsourcing. Did the author miss anything?

[Luke]

Sure.

[Linus]

You know what I mean?

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And, and a lot of the time it's like, it's for my own thing. It's like I'll read the comments on our video and I'll go, ah, yeah, that's a really interesting perspective that we didn't consider. Darn it.

[Luke]

You know, I think they might also be conflating usage versus enjoyment. Like I think university age, high school age kids are a very good microcosm for like they're going to use the current best tool available to not do the thing that they probably don't want to do. Like there's, there's going to be a lot of that they're going to use AI stuff. That doesn't necessarily mean that they want to. There's a lot of people like when you, when, when you're in university, when I was in university, there's a lot of energy of like this is what we want to do with our lives. I don't necessarily want to sit and study, I don't necessarily want to just complete assignments, but I want to be a person who does this thing and to use development because that's just close to home. If you're in university trying to become a developer, I don't think you're super amped up on spec driven development. I think you're excited about making things and making an impact on the world through your code and your output. I don't think you're super excited about sitting in a room writing a spec for something for two months before telling a computer to make it for you. Like that's not, I think creating the spec has been the worst part of the job for most of these people forever and now it's a bigger part of the job. So like it. I think it's more interesting for entrepreneurial types and people who want to.

[Linus]

Oh my God. I just figured it out, Luke. I just figured out how we got on this path.

[Luke]

What Path.

[Linus]

This is all about like the revenge of the idea man. Yeah. Kind of like it's, it's the power for so many years has been in the hands of the developers who could actually make things happen. And the idea men got so sick of giving them money that they were

[Luke]

like they gave the money.

[Linus]

Well, what if we gave them money but we tricked them into making a new type of, a new type of software so that the idea man holds all the power now? This is ridiculous.

[Luke]

Well, they still don't, but yeah, I mean obviously the direction that they want

[Linus]

to go, that's the. Clearly the path.

[Luke]

Yeah, yeah, they definitely still don't, but that is definitely the path.

[Linus]

How do you think? Okay, and this is a hypothetical because. Yeah, I don't, I don't think. Oh man, I'm afraid to, I'm afraid to say this and be terribly wrong and it to be very terrible, but I don't think someone, ever, someone clip this. I don't think we're ever going to get to the point Live Stream fails where there's no value in being able to read and understand and debug code manually because human expertise is, is always going to going to have a value compared to a computer like sharding something out. But hypothetically, suppose we reach a point where the developer ultimately has no value because the AI just vibe codes. Anything for anyone, any idea man who has an idea. Do you think that there will be a sentiment towards the creators of AI And I don't just mean the figureheads like the Sam Altman's of the world. He's not actually, you know, sitting there day in, day out at OpenAI, you know, coding AI laughing. Yeah, like do you think I'm talking, I'm talking about the actual developers working for these guys. Do you think there's going to be like an emotional, like a sense of betrayal and like anger towards the people who develop the tools that killed development as a, as a profession and as an industry. Remember hypothetical. We reached the point where any idea man can just say make this.

[Luke]

No.

[Linus]

You don't think so?

[Luke]

I don't think so because of whatever precedent already exists.

[Linus]

So you don't think like, like ice, ice harvesters were angry at the inventors of refrigeration at all or like, you know, horse barriers?

[Luke]

I think that was the question you were asking. I thought you were asking were are the people that aren't them ang at

[Linus]

the,

[Luke]

you know, the ice carriers that helped the refrigerator makers make the refrigerator. The analogy doesn't work.

[Linus]

All right, forget Forget the ice makers,

[Luke]

the engineers that developed the first refrigerator. Were people mad at the engineers? No, I think they're mad at the business people.

[Linus]

So the business people.

[Luke]

I think they're mad at the managers and the business people. So they never seem to go after like.

[Linus]

So it won't matter who worked for those business people to obsolete.

[Luke]

So. But I think they'll be mad at the business people.

[Linus]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke]

Which is interesting to me because you definitely know what you're doing. But some bag is so big.

[Linus]

Some of them seem to. And some of them don't seem to. Like, I can't tell who's drinking the Kool Aid and who's making the Kool Aid sometimes. You know what I'm saying?

[Luke]

I think they know you think the bag is just so big that they're

[Linus]

just like whatever VB Martino says at Linus and Luke, I can tell you as someone who's developing local LLM OCR models, they are already angry at the devs.

[Luke]

Yeah, I don't think it's that much like you. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to dismiss, like, I'm sure you have caught some flack. I'm not trying to dismiss what has happened there. I just. When you, when you look around online, people are mad at Sam Altman. People are mad at the companies.

[Linus]

Yeah. Mr. Arco brings up a good point. What's the point of being mad at the creators of AI when the person making me work with AI is my manager, like as a developer? Well, I mean, see, this is tough, right, because you're not like forced to do anything. But also, you know, especially if you work somewhere where your health care, for instance, is tied to your employment, you could be quite like, quite forced from like a, like a health standpoint to continue doing the work that you're doing. And it's not like right now the job market is great for developers. There's what's meta cutting 8,000 jobs right now or something like that over the next little while.

[Luke]

I have no idea.

[Linus]

I think, I think it's something like that. Meta job cuts planned 8,000 in sweeping global layoffs over the next little while. Yikes. Yeah. Stife2002 put it better than I think I ever could. I'm not forced to do anything, but boy, do I like eating daily.

[Luke]

Yeah, but. Okay, okay, okay, hold on.

[Linus]

Sure.

[Luke]

Because I hear this argument all the time.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Luke]

I don't know that it's the most fair.

[Linus]

I mean, anything is shades of gray. Do you need to eat daily?

[Luke]

Do not you need to eat gold plates.

[Dan]

That's crazy.

[Luke]

Broccoli with every single meal. There's, there's. I don't remember who it was, but there was someone who's like extremely against.

[Linus]

Do you need to eat cake daily?

[Luke]

Literally not even close to what I was saying. Very annoying. Anyways, there was someone recently who was talking about how they were very against a lot of these things.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Luke]

And the interviewer person was like, yeah, okay, what company do you work at? And it was like, I don't remember, Northrop Grumman or something. And they were like, okay, like you're practically protesting your own company. Just doing it around about ways. And they were like, yeah. And they're like, well, why do you work there then? And they're like, well, I like the paycheck. And the paycheck was in like the very high six figures. Like, we're not, I'm not talking about the people who, oh my God, I have to have this job or else I can't have like the minimum viable, reasonable life in Western society of like having food and a roof to sit under.

[Linus]

Sure.

[Luke]

I'm talking. There are very, very, very high paid positions that are here to destroy jobs. And that is their goal. And people are taking those positions.

[Linus]

They are.

[Luke]

And then writing it off and like, I gotta eat. And I'm like, bro, relax.

[Linus]

So it sounds like to me like kind of your position is that, you know, when we talk about, when we talk about taking the, the, the destroyed to the destroyer, something, hazard pay. We're not talking about, you know, the people who are living check to check. We're talking and we're not, obviously the figureheads are going to take their fair share of the blame. But, but it's the gray, it's always the gray area. Right. Like somewhere in the middle there is your middle management, your upper management, but not executive management.

[Luke]

There's a lot of individual contributors in this.

[Linus]

I'm talking ICs.

[Luke]

You just said middle management.

[Linus]

So someone who doesn't manage anybody, they have no rapport, but they're making, you know, 700 grand a year.

[Luke]

It's not even necessarily the. It's, it's. I don't know, it's. It's a, it's an area where I think you should be able to reason with and accept the responsibility of your contribution to this thing. And if you decide that that's okay. This is like, this is your, your morality situation. I just hate the, like, you know, we've talked about this interview. I've had in the past where somebody, somebody was coming in and they were making big fat money at a company.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And they were like, I don't morally align with the company anymore. I want to work somewhere else. And I was like, hey, sweet. Yeah. And we get pretty far into the interview or somewhere else and then we end up figuring out that their, their budge room is zero for their first. They want to work somewhere, that they're morally happier, but they need to make exactly the same amount of money.

[Linus]

But it turns out they were making

[Luke]

fat stacks of money.

[Linus]

Well, because there's, because they're working. There's really good money in abhorrent things.

[Luke]

Yeah. So like it's, you know, but I can't, I can't take it in the teeth financially. Even though over the course of, you know, a decade I'm making millions of dollars, which is unnecessary for like. And I mean the s on the end of millions quite seriously. This was like close to double digit millions. Like this person was making a lot of money.

[Linus]

Right.

[Luke]

Like a very, very, very large amount of money. But. And they understand where the money comes from. Yeah. But then they're unwilling to take a lower amount of money. Which, you know, and I'm not trying to say like we are the, the, the, the, you know, float plane is the saints of the world.

[Linus]

Nope. But I don't think we're destroying anything. Yeah.

[Luke]

I think we're fine. But like it's not, you know, they're not, they're not resuscitating puppies or something. So like it's, it's. But like you have to kind of decide where your line is. And I think you have to understand if you're working on the, the, you know, the, the body grinder for food of turning humans into Soylent, if you are making it a more viable thing, you have to accept that you're doing that.

[Linus]

Sydney broke it in floatplane chats.

[Dan]

That goes.

[Linus]

I had talented recruiters coming to me and it was a huge salary bump. More than double what I made at the time.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

But I was able to live comfortably with what I made and also spend money on floatplane. I added that part and I knew what was up. All this is to say if you're at those companies doing the destructive, destructive work, you have options. It's all about the bag.

[Luke]

This is my point. And I'm not even necessarily condemning them for taking it. I'm just saying that they need to know that they did.

[Linus]

Where's your, like if you, if you could pick a line like, where's where's your, where's your line? Because there are people scrubbing the floor at Palantir that are making, you know, $15 an hour minimum wage or whatever that. Because they have, you know, the health coverage, presumably. I don't even know if I don't. It's probably contractors.

[Luke]

I think the line shifts depending on financial obligations. Sure. Maybe you have a family member who's a dependent and you're in the States or. That is incredibly expensive. Yeah, exactly. Like, like the line might shift a lot. Someone might actually, like there might be some, someone who needs one of these crazy high paying jobs to make it so that like they're, they're a family member isn't in excruciating constant pain.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

Because of American medical system or whatever.

[Linus]

So basically you're saying it's variable depending on like kind of survival. So now I'm going to Jean Valjean this. At what point then if a certain. A given job. So we look at the compensation for, you know, a job that we might be, you know, morally okay with. We look at the compensation for a job that we might find morally reprehensible. If we needed even more, you know, for survival or to save a family member to. If would we steal the loaf of bread at a certain point, would you say, okay, well, it's the next logical step. Makes sense. Or is there is the legal line the line? Yeah.

[Luke]

I don't know if this is probably a take at all. If people can't eat and are starving, steal that damn bread, bro. I've never had a problem with this ever.

[Linus]

So we. Jean Valjean.

[Luke]

It never bothered me.

[Linus]

Do we take the silverware immediately after we're let out of prison though? Are you familiar with Les Mis? No. Okay, so it's a terrible time in France. This is pre revolution and Jean Valjean

[Luke]

is sort of the also steal the bread. Especially in Canada. My God.

[Linus]

Yeah. We have kind of like a bread cartel. It's like sort of a thing.

[Luke]

It's weird Canadian politics. No one is going to care about strange country, but go for it, dude.

[Linus]

Get worse.

[Luke]

Grocery stores in Canada are a corrupt mess and bread is right in the middle of it. Don't worry about it. You're not going to care. We can move on.

[Linus]

So Jean Valjean is. I don't know, is he the protagonist of Les Mis? He's certainly a character around which the story centers. I would call him the protagonist. So he has a family member who is starving and he an upstanding citizen who had never broken a Law before in his life stole food to keep them from, to basically prevent someone from dying essentially. And he immediately is caught. And it's just like, it's one of those things where like the career criminal, you know, never gets caught and the honest citizen who doesn't like know how to crime just immediately gets caught. The very first time that he did something that from a moral standpoint really doesn't seem that bad, it was from. He stole from someone who could clearly afford it. You know, he goes to prison for years and the reason is not actually necessarily entirely because he stole the loaf of bread, but because he panicked and he ran. And so the punishment was so much greater because he panicked and he ran away. When he's let out, his life is destroyed by having spent all this time in prison. You know, he, he has, he's a convict now. He has no means of, of gaining gainful employment. And he kind of looks at me, goes, well, well, how else am I now supposed to eat if not by continuing my.

[Luke]

This is a whole. Very interesting.

[Linus]

Of course, yeah, it's a great play. Have you ever seen it?

[Luke]

No.

[Linus]

Oh, it's so good.

[Luke]

Anyway, but like the whole idea that the criminal system creates career criminal and all this kind of stuff.

[Linus]

Yeah. So he, so, so he's on the street and, and a church, you know, takes him in to, you know, just have a, like a place to sleep like they did at some point. And, and in, in his, in his sort of desperation, he, he takes the, the silverware from, from the meal that they, that they shared with him. And as he's leaving, his parole officer catches him with the bag of silverware. And what happens is the bishop or whatever, the clergyman comes out. And when the parole officer, Jean Valjean's explanation is they gave it to me. And the parole officer asks, well, you know, did he? And the clergyman says, oh, you forgot the finest piece, and gives that to him as well, even though he hadn't known that he had stolen it. And it's kind of a turning point for Jean Valjean's life. But I think that's the part where the story goes from kind of based in reality to fiction because he uses it. The clergyman sits with him after the parole officer leaves and he goes, okay, look, you and I both know what happened here. The deal is you use this to become an honest man. And he does. And I forget how, I forget how I got onto this subject. But I guess my point is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, super based. But at what point has he made enough? So if he Reaches that point where he, you know, gets to law breaking. You know, is there a moral obligation then to scale back to the abhorrent job and then scale back to the non abhorrent job? Like where, like, is there, is there like a morality ladder that you climb and unclimb? How does this work?

[Luke]

I think the reason why I was saying like, you know, if you're doing those things, I basically just want you to recognize it. I'm not sitting here trying to condemn you is because I think everyone's line has to be drawn themselves. I think there are things that I could look at in the corporate world that are, and I personally see as like, I will never do this unless it's like basically life or death and it's like a job, so it's just never going to happen. But I could also see someone having a different opinion on those things and thinking, you know, maybe they believe in a, in a more optimistic or brighter future of this certain type of technology or whatever else. And I think that's up to you. I'm not going to try to sit here and be a, you know, holier than thou on everything. My reason for that example. And there's, you know, I've had people reach out before and we're like, how are you talking about me on WAN show? This has happened so many times, you have no idea. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking in vague terms, go away. But the example of like people coming and having an interview and being like, yo, I make really high six figures a year. But I hate my job, I hate what we do. It like preys on society, all this kind of stuff.

[Linus]

I hate my hours.

[Luke]

I hate my hours. That's another one. And then us being like, yeah, we don't overwork your hours and we're mostly just kind of chill and then being like, cool, well, I need the same amount that I'm making and then balking at the fact that that's not even close to what's going to happen. That's where I kind of look at the situation. I'm like, bro, like, come on, you need to be more real with yourself. The person in floatplane chat who's like, yeah, Palantir approached me, but I looked at my situation, was like, I'm fine. And then said, no. That person drew their own moral line, right? And was like, you know what? I don't like Palantir.

[Linus]

So basically what it boils down, that

[Luke]

was up to them. And I think that's important.

[Linus]

You can't stand hypocrisy. I think so is what it pretty much comes down to.

[Luke]

There's like just so much of it. Especially when it comes to literally anything that could affect a person financially. Yeah, I think there's, there's lots of examples of this.

[Linus]

I mean piracy is a great example that comes up often on our show.

[Luke]

Piracy is a huge one.

[Linus]

No idea why

[Luke]

you.

[Linus]

Okay, Dan.

[Luke]

And I think there's like service issue arguments there. Like. But everything, everything is going to get

[Linus]

super security arguments there with respect to piracy or adblock or. Sorry, did I say two different words or were they the same word? I can't tell.

[Luke]

But there is like actual genuine, pretty sizable security issues with AdBlock. Malvertizing is absolutely, it's absolutely a thing. So it's, it's. Everything has gray areas and nuances to it. Which is again another one of the big reasons why I don't want to sit here and be like an arbiter of your morals.

[Linus]

Then why do you keep talking about how much you hate hamburgers? I'm so tired of it, Lou. Hot dogs will not stand for this.

[Luke]

I just, Yeah, I just think it's kind of interesting to me when like, you know, there's, there's, you know, there's engineers at some of these companies making millions of. But they just, you know, they don't have reports. They're just like superstar engineers at these companies and everyone will look at like just Sam Altman and it's like no, there's more than that.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And you know, they might be completely fine with what they're making there. There's a lot of people in the tech space that just believe in accelerationism and they want to just charge tech forward and they, they believe that it will be a net good and all that kind of stuff.

[Linus]

And I, those are the ones I was talking about earlier. The ones that are, that are drinking it. Yeah, like I, but I don't even

[Luke]

think that's like I think they are self generating Kool Aid and also drinking it. Like I think there's people that are just totally in it. They're not like getting convinced by, by the buddy Sam or anybody else. It just totally makes sense to them. I think, I think that's a non insignificant amount of people. I think there's also like entire basically cultures. Like I've heard there are countries where it is way more accepted than it is in North America.

[Linus]

Like AI or acceleration. Oh sure, yeah.

[Luke]

Like, like it is just widely accepted by.

[Linus]

I mean piracy is another example of that. There's entire countries where piracy is just like. Well, yeah, that's like how you get,

[Luke]

how you acquire things. Yeah, we're not paying North American dollars for this.

[Linus]

Yeah, that's stupid. Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke]

I would rather eat this month.

[Linus]

It is cool.

[Luke]

Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting world.

[Linus]

What topic was this?

[Luke]

The youth are booing AI.

[Linus]

Yeah. That's funny, right? Nice. Oh, hey, another good news for good news WAN Show. We have a new plan for the WAN show channel. We hear you guys loud and clear. Having the live broadcasts and the clips on the same channel does not work. For those of you who, who still believe in subscription feeds, bless your hearts. So we are either going to rebrand the WAN Show Channel, Eclipse Channel, and then all the clips that are already there are there and then it'll get new clips or because we've got so many people accustomed to watching the live stream there and that's kind of the more important thing to us for now, we are going to have that be the new WAN show channel and we'll make a new new clips channel. So stay tuned. We'll just have to work through the rebranding conversation internally and we'll figure that all out. But we hear you guys. We hear you and we have a plan. We have a concept of a plan

[Luke]

and another group that has a plan. Wow. Is this the Microsoft Show? This is great news. Microsoft is ditching SMS2 Factor. Microsoft says that it will be getting rid of SMS or text message two factor due to it being a leading

[Linus]

source of fraud, which absolutely is like why are they. Why is Microsoft leading the chart? Good job.

[Luke]

Good job.

[Linus]

Good job, Microsoft.

[Luke]

Instead, Microsoft is moving towards passkey and email verification.

[Linus]

Cool. Yeah.

[Luke]

New Microsoft accounts are already going this route, only allowing those two for security options. But this change will be rolling back to older accounts over the next little while, which totally makes sense. That is a appropriate way to do that.

[Linus]

Wait, are we not getting like authentication codes? We're only getting passkeys and email verification. I don't prefer that.

[Luke]

You can also be going this road only allowing those two. Okay, I think I misinterpreted that.

[Linus]

Braille Cortex says, oh, this is going to screw up so much at work. We have a bunch of users with phones too old for authenticator apps. That may be an issue. Like you. Like. What are you. What are you talking about, buddy? Braille Cortex. Hold on.

[Luke]

Android 5.0 can support Google Authenticate.

[Linus]

Denrick says ran into this as well. We had to get them company folks. Oh, so this is a Bring your Own device thing. So people are bringing their own device. Maybe they're in like a developing country or something. They're using like ancient like freaking what, like what would that be like jelly

[Luke]

bean, 12 plus year old lollipop. Android phones still support it.

[Linus]

So Jelly Bean and KitKat would not support it.

[Luke]

So stuff we were talking about when we were at ncix.

[Linus]

Oh, npc. It brings up a really good point. There are places that can't do smart devices. Like if you work at a super secure facility. So you'd be able to get your two FA via sms, but via no like Internet connected means. That's interesting. Luola says BYOD was a miss is a mistake. Always was. Yeah.

[Luke]

But like it's also a lot cheaper and my God, is it a lot cheaper and a lot of people don't want to haul around two of everything.

[Linus]

Yeah. I used to carry two phones. I had my personal phone and I had like a dumb phone and then I had my work iPhone or BlackBerry rather at the time, I guess for different reasons.

[Luke]

I have Android and iOS all the time so I can poke into floatplay.

[Linus]

But like the second that I was able to use my work cell phone plan and not pay my personal plan anymore, I was like, yep. And I can just use that on the device I choose. Yep.

[Luke]

The only line in this that really stands out to me and I'm concerned about and might not be accurate is that they're only allowing those two options because like the, you know, secure, no Internet connected devices workplace thing. You could use physical security keys like Yubikeys. You could. I think the passkey route would still be a little bit stronger in those cases. But still you have, you have some concerns there.

[Linus]

This is interesting.

[Luke]

I struggle to see Microsoft disallowing hardware keys.

[Linus]

Yeah. Hopefully just getting rid of sms. Let's hope.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

D. Hollander says this is an issue I've almost run into. I have to have a smartphone for work. They do not provide one. I must allow work to manage my personal device. But I pay 100% of the cost for just.

[Luke]

Sounds illegal.

[Linus]

Doesn't Samsung have like that Knox thing where you can like have personal and work profiles and stuff?

[Luke]

Google has that too.

[Linus]

Do they? Okay, yeah. And that's been for a long time. That's been for like over 10 years now. Does, does the iPhone have that? So this is interesting. Wiley Giraffe says illegal and McGarnagal says illegal. But I'm trying to think, have we ever run it? Oh right. But we don't manage people's devices. So I guess that's the difference because like, I think we kind of pretty much require people to have a phone, right? I'm like, can you, can you work here and like not have a smartphone and be functional?

[Dan]

I don't think you can get in the building without a smartphone.

[Linus]

I mean I can. No. Yes, yes you can. Yes you can. We have the fobs.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's true.

[Linus]

Yeah. Also exclusive.

[Dan]

But it's glued to my phone.

[Linus]

Yeah, I need my phone. Dan. That's not what we're talking about to

[Luke]

get in the building.

[Linus]

Okay. So hold on. Let's, let's work through it. Let's work through it. So you can, you can fob into the building without a phone. You can obviously log into your workstation without a phone. Can you log into accounts? Can you, can you. Do we have a 2fa option that does not require your phone?

[Luke]

It's kind of dependent.

[Dan]

You can use two FA on your

[Luke]

laptop, the account that it is. But yeah, you could use 2fa on your laptop.

[Linus]

Like Creative Cloud, I think uses, uses like one time password.

[Dan]

No, I don't think I have two fa.

[Luke]

But you can store, you can store two FA things in a password manager.

[Linus]

Oh, right. This is true. Okay, so yeah, Keeper. Keeper. Keeper can be used as your, as your 2fa and your password manager, which I. Makes me a little uncomfortable. So I don't. But yeah, they swear up and down.

[Luke]

It's fine. I think it is fine for probably most accounts.

[Linus]

I'm sure it's fine and I just am not going to do it and that's fine too. That's where I'm at on it. Okay, so is there anything that you'd have to like no teams you could technically do on your work issued device. We issue desktops and or laptops to everyone. You could, you could work here without a smartphone.

[Luke]

I think it would hurt your effectiveness for sure.

[Linus]

Yeah, like it would suck. Like when we did our Disney trip, you know, you wouldn't have been able to coordinate with people very easily if you like didn't have one. I guess you could swap phone numbers with people though.

[Dan]

I guess that would work.

[Linus]

But you wouldn't be in any like group chats. I think group chats is probably the thing I'd miss most about not having a smartphone. Group chats are pretty useful. Like I have like elderly relatives right now and the only reasonable way to like have everybody be on the same page about like what's going on with sort of working through some of their financial stuff. And like, medical stuff is a group chat. I. And I'm open to you guys having, like, other ideas for how to do that, but I really just. I can't think of any other equally effective way. Yeah, never really thought about it. So. Yeah, someone could. Someone could work here. They could have no smartphone. I'd be like, what? You know,

[Luke]

it would be interesting to see. Like, I think it would significantly impair their job performance enough that it would be a problem, actually, because, like, if they're up and about and they can't get notifications and stuff, like, trying to find them.

[Linus]

Yeah. No hard rod says just carry around your laptop. I used to do that on campus all the time.

[Luke]

Open all the time.

[Linus]

Yeah, I do. I totally did that.

[Luke]

The mesh networking is pretty good. Yeah, I figured out.

[Linus]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Give him an iPad.

[Linus]

Parallelogram. Apparently. No Amaria asks, but are they allowed to work there if they have an LG wing, or would they be banned on principle? That's a good question. I feel like if someone showed up

[Luke]

at an interview, they'd become a like, intercompany micro celebrity.

[Linus]

You think so?

[Luke]

Actively used an LG wing.

[Linus]

Rocks the wing day to day.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think we actually require that as a disclosure during the application process.

[Luke]

Do you use a wing or not?

[Dan]

Do you use a wing or not? And. And then HR handles it from there.

[Linus]

Yeah. So what would that be if we don't hire them? Are we wingist?

[Luke]

You know, the. Like, he owns a monitor meme. There would be a meme of like, they own a wing.

[Dan]

We have a wall ready to put the picture of that person.

[Linus]

How big?

[Dan]

It's like one of the building sizes.

[Linus]

All right. Harold Doe says all of our employees are certified wing chads. We don't hire anyone who seems well adjusted. What a hiring policy that would be. Why don't we jump into another topic here? I'm just going to close that one. A U.S. man, a contractor for the U.S. cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, also known as CISA, maintained a public GitHub repository called Private CISA that exposed plain text passwords, AWS, govcloud, administrative credentials, private keys and tokens. The repository was up for roughly six months before it was taken down on May 15. It was discovered on May 14 by Guillaume Valadon, a researcher at the security firm Git Guardian. I in my head, Canon knows that they're called Git Gudian from now on, which constantly scans public code repositories for exposed secrets. Valadon called it the worst leak that I'VE witnessed in my career and just put that in context. This is someone who, for a job, scans public code repositories for exposed secrets. Valadon said he initially thought the repository was a hoax because the directories and file names were almost too obvious to be real. Sorry, this qualifies for good news wan show just because it's funny. Folders included all backups backup dash April 2006 sorry, yeah, 2026 kubernetes dash important dash YAML dash files and entra space id dash SAML certificates. Files included were things like important AWS tokens. TXT sorry external dash secret dash repo

[Luke]

dash creds yml YAML labs matt in Full Plane Chat said he titled his private though they shouldn't have looked and that's a good point.

[Linus]

Scrappy DP asked, well, what would you have named them? Fair enough, I guess. AWS Workspace Firefox Passwords CSV listed plain text usernames and passwords for dozens of internal CISA systems and including one called LZ DSO, which appears to be short for Landing Zone DevSecOps, the agency's secure code development environment. In total, the repository held 844 megabytes of production infrastructure material, including tokens for CISA's internal JFrog artifactory, Azure registry keys, AWS credentials, Kubernetes manifests, Argo CD application files, Terraform infrastructure code, GitHub personal access tokens, and Entra ID SAML certificates. The commit history shows that the CISA Administrator specifically disabled GitHub's default setting that blocks users from publishing SSH keys and other secrets in public repositories. The archive even included explicit commands documenting how to turn off GitHub's secret detection feature. Like, seriously, it seems like a honey pot, right? Like how? Just obviously brain dead it is. We're not done yet. Yeah, on top of that, there is

[Luke]

a hell of a drug.

[Linus]

Many of the leaked credentials used easily guessed passwords. Several followed the pattern of the platform's name, followed by the current year. Philippe Catrigulli Catcher Philippe C, founder of the security consultancy Cereless, tested the exposed AWS keys and confirmed they were still valid, granting high privilege access to three AWS GovCloud accounts. He said the archive also included plain text credentials to CISA's internal artifactory, which he described as a prime place for an attacker to move laterally and plant that doors into the software the agency builds and deploys. The repository belonged to an employee of a company called Nightwing, which is a government contractor based in Dulles, Virginia. The employee used both a CISA issued contractor email and a personal Yahoo email across the same commits, and the repository was created using a personal GitHub account. But Philippe said the pattern is consistent with somebody using the repo as a scratch workspace, as well as to synchronize files between a work laptop and a home computer git. Guardian first reported the leak through the official portal on May 14, but only received an auto acknowledgment after Valadon also alerted security journalist Brian Krebs. CISA took the repository offline, but it took until 6pm Eastern on Friday, May 15. Okay. The exposed AWS keys remained valid for another 48 hours after the repository was deleted. All right. Valadon noted that the repository was never forked based on public GitHub events, which suggests the secrets were probably not widely circulated. Only GitHub itself can answer that definitively, though the incident comes while CISA is operating with reduced staffing and budget. Since the current administration took office, the agency has lost nearly a third of its workforce, has not had a Senate confirmed director, and is now facing a proposed budget cut of around 707 million. Too bad it wasn't 404 million. We could have said budget not found.

[Luke]

Yeah, that would have been nice.

[Linus]

That would have been funny. It didn't happen though.

[Luke]

No.

[Linus]

So it's not funny. Our discussion question is it feels like cyber security events like this have been happening more and more. Why do you think that is? Well, I think it could be the budget cut of $707 million. Maybe that could be part of that. Could be a contributing factor.

[Luke]

There's a lot of contributing factors. I think general global stress is really high right now, which can contribute to human error. I think budget cuts can be brutal. AI involvement has clearly increased bugs with a lot of different platforms lately that's been fairly trackable.

[Linus]

I think it's pretty tough for the public sector to attract top level contributors when the private sector and crime pay so much more.

[Luke]

It's definitely a thing. I mean you just look at like NASA rates versus rates of something like SpaceX or Blue Origin.

[Linus]

Dude, I through some way found out what like a super smart like like a doctor who is a lot smarter than me. Like like not like medical doctor. You get what I mean? Like doctorate doctor. I found out what they were making at NASA doing like crazy important and I was like like what the. Like like without outing anybody or you know, whatever disclosing people's salaries. Like we have people here who know here like we have people here who do like, no offense to them, but like way less important stuff that. Dan, get out of here.

[Luke]

Did you. Did you turn your camera?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

That's so funny. Oh my God.

[Linus]

It would be an insane. Yeah.

[Luke]

Like I was like, oh man.

[Linus]

John BR asks but do they have A plus certification?

[Luke]

Maybe not. That's a good point.

[Dan]

That's why I don't work at NASA.

[Linus]

I do. That's the reason. I knew it. Seriously though, like we, like, I was just looking at it going like, oh man, they must just really believe in the mission. Which makes it all the more sad to see what's been happening with like budgets there and. And them getting like pushed and pulled in every which direction instead of having like a clear point for mission to or something.

[Luke]

But let's. Let's set up a base on the moon with.4%, get rid of the thing.

[Linus]

Let's.

[Luke]

Let's spend more than that entire budget on like two months of shutting down a straight in the middle of nowhere ruining the world's economy. Anyways. Now, next topic.

[Linus]

I like expensive fuel.

[Luke]

Next topic.

[Linus]

I'm a big fan.

[Luke]

Yeah, you would be right now.

[Linus]

I love it. It's so good.

[Luke]

Speaking of being a big fan, new lifetime Plex pass pricing. The good news Wancho twist on this, I guess is Jellyfin.

[Linus]

Yeah. We're going to promote alternatives to plex.

[Luke]

Yeah. On July 1st, Plex Pass triples in price to $750. This is after it more than doubled in price from 120 to 250 back in March of 2025.

[Linus]

That was. That was just over a year ago. For those keeping score at home. Yeah.

[Luke]

The blog post mentions thoughts of removing the lifetime pass entirely. Since subscriptions make more money, the lifetime Plex pass holders will see no changes because you already have it.

[Linus]

That's actually pretty based. I want to just throw them a bone here.

[Luke]

Oh man, I hate that. That's the state of the world when you do that.

[Linus]

But that's the bar, Luke. That's the bar we're dealing with.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

Okay. There will be no changes to subscription pricing at this time.

[Linus]

Those last three words are key.

[Luke]

At this time, there is still a list of features being worked on. They're planning improvements to download, support for playlists and a bunch of other things.

[Linus]

Well, no, I think some of this matters.

[Luke]

Does it? Because we're going to promote alternatives.

[Linus]

We are, but. Give us a sec. Music and photo library support restored in the mobile apps. That's something that used to be part of Plex Pass and then just was unceremoniously yoinked away even though it was actually really cool. New experience on TV apps. Support for NFO metadata. All server and library management features currently available on the TV app will be added to the mobile apps. That's actually pretty cool. Audio enhancements such as boosting dialogue and normalizing loudness. Don't need that. That should be handled. Yeah, I guess on mobile that could be pretty useful. Additional transcoding video improvements. That sounds cool. IPv6 support. That sounds cool. However, last time I checked, which admittedly was, you know, a little while ago, $750 was still a lot of money. The couple of.

[Luke]

What a flex. What a way to flex.

[Linus]

What that $750 is a lot of money.

[Luke]

The last time you checked was a while ago.

[Linus]

No, I just mean we were talking about inflation earlier.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Linus]

And how like, you know, a quarter was actually worth something when I was a kid and now is like not. But. But the last time I checked, $750 is still a lot of money. What was I talking about? Right. Okay, so I want to, I want to get this out of the way first. Here are the things Duplex's credit to Plexus Credit. They are announcing this ahead of time. You are getting a chance to get in at that price of $250. It is probably a strat to drive people to spend $250 today as opposed to maybe a hope that they'll spend 750 tomorrow. But I still appreciate a warning. I mean I said the same thing when Nintendo announced the switch to price increase. I'd rather know ahead of time and have an opportunity. If it was something I was saving up for, I'd like to get a chance to go, oh, okay, well then I'll better do it now. I appreciate that they're making no changes to the lifetime Plex pass. So if you bought in a lifetime Plex pass years and years and years ago for a much, much lower rate. They're not messing with that. I hate that. That's the bar. But there's a ton of precedent for companies being like, well, we need the money. So you and Plex didn't do that. That's it. That's all I got.

[Luke]

Plex alternatives.

[Linus]

Let's talk about them.

[Luke]

Mb, a fork of Xbox Media Center.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Functionality.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And it supports up to 25 devices. There's a note here from I believe Plouffe that says I've used Emby. It's pretty easy to set up and use. There's also jellyfin, the current like community darling as far as I can tell. Also client server functionality, free hardware transcoding and tons of customization and open source

[Linus]

AF which is pretty based.

[Luke]

Yeah and then you've got Kodi which is formerly Xbox Media Center. No client server functionality but otherwise it's pretty good for local playback.

[Linus]

Our discussion question is what alternatives are viewers using? What do you guys jellyfin is love, Jellyfin is life. Yeah, a lot of that going around.

[Luke]

It's going to be a lot of people saying jellyfin.

[Linus]

I had an interesting chat with Mr. John P, CEO of eShutech Investment disclosure. They make Hexos which is a based on Truenas NAS operating system. They are like going hard at easy like as close to one touch as possible app installs over the next little bit and this news has kicked their hineies into gear. He told me they are actively they just released six more apps and are planning one to two a week for many weeks ahead. The team wants to prioritize a few new curations in recognition of Plexus price increases. We are actively working on Flattr which is a jellyfin front end jellystat which is a statistic tracker for jellyfin. He says he thinks Emby as well and Seer which is a media request tracker for jellyfin MB n Plex as well and says they're gonna prioritize that and hopefully we're gonna get a chance in the next little bit to do a video about it because is I'm just getting real tired of the issues that I'm having with Plex. Like I'm a lifetime pass holder so this literally doesn't affect me at all. There's no financial reason for me to change off of Plex. My reasons for changing off of Plex are what a buggy mess it's been. They've been so focused on fast free ad supported TV and like becoming a legit media platform that they've forgotten their tricorn hat roots and their product for people who just have media files that they want to organize and they just want to stream them to their devices. I forget how I started the sentence. Whatever they have made it, they've made it a bad experience for the core functionality that sold people on the app and then they sit here and go gee, why is everyone so desperate to build alternatives to this? Like guys, because I don't care about Plex tv. I just want to browse my stuff, get your stuff out of the way. I don't care. That's why, like, here, I'm gonna see if I. I'm gonna see if I still. If I'm still having this issue. This may be unique to my folding phone. That's. It's a tough thing. It's one of the worst things about having a folding phone is that whenever you encounter a bug.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

You have no way of knowing. Is this a bug with the software? Is this a bug with the hardware? Or is this just a bug with my stupid folding phone? Here we go. Play. Original quality. Yeah. Okay, so the super weird issue with my Adventure Time rips. Look at this.

[Luke]

Just flashing.

[Linus]

Yeah. And if I transcode, it goes away. I never had this problem before with the exact same files that I've had for years and years and years. Like, I think. I think I plug. I think I ripped my Adventure Time disks when I was still living at my old place. So this would have been like four or five years ago. Never had this issue before, and now it's doing that. It's like, okay, cool. How hard is it to play it? Like, play. That's your core functionality. Play the media file over the network. That's like, if you can't do that, why, what are we even talking about? What are we even doing here? And I just don't know how to. I don't know how to, like, deal with that. Come on, Plex. I'm actually still rooting for you. And you know what? Oh, right, I forgot my third. I forgot my third silver lining point is that, hey, at least they still offer a lifetime subscription or a lifetime pass. Like, we've talked extensively about hating the move to Creative Cloud and yearned for the $700 software mines. Right? Because, I mean, that's what it used to cost a ton of flipping money. Adobe software used to cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars for that perpetual license. And we kind of went well. Yeah. But at least we could buy it. So to their credit, at least you can still buy a perpetual license, which they have shown that they are, at least until now, willing to honor, which is something. But still not. Still not a lot. And I'm. I'm really excited to. Dan, can you throw a poll into the floatplane chat? I want. I want to know which one I should try first. Jellyfin, MB or Cody? I want. I want the people to vote for me.

[Luke]

Floatplane poles are still.

[Linus]

It's gonna be Jellyfin. I already know the answer.

[Luke]

A little broken.

[Linus]

Throw Firefox in there for good measure. Yeah.

[Luke]

And turnip, because anyone still knows that reference.

[Linus]

Oh, my goodness. Remember when we did the shirt.

[Luke]

We do a turnip shirt?

[Linus]

I think so, yeah. Wow. You want to pick another one?

[Luke]

Sure.

[Linus]

Wait. Oh, we're supposed to do sponsors.

[Luke]

Good Lord.

[Linus]

Did we ever actually do this, though? Whoa.

[Luke]

I don't remember that shirt at all.

[Linus]

No, I don't think we actually did that. We might have done something similar. Am I Gaslighting myself?

[Luke]

Dude, I was trying to find the Linus Jump game from the Verified Actual Gamer program. I was trying to find like, any evidence of that the other day, and it was hard. I found. I found a video of somebody on YouTube playing it. But, like, it was not okay.

[Linus]

No, it existed.

[Luke]

I don't think it existed like that.

[Linus]

No, no, no. I know.

[Dan]

Jellyfin has won.

[Linus]

Probably.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Yeah. Well, that was expected.

[Dan]

And looks like Firefox and Gaslighting aren't real. Are like neck and neck.

[Luke]

That makes sense.

[Linus]

That makes sense.

[Luke]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Linus]

How many polls did you make?

[Luke]

Two. Yeah, I told. I already told you guys.

[Linus]

Okay, well, I didn't know it was that broken.

[Luke]

It's broken.

[Linus]

There's like five of them.

[Luke]

Cool, thanks.

[Dan]

I did one earlier about the orphan crushing.

[Linus]

I just mean that's like. That's.

[Dan]

That's three.

[Linus]

So you're saying. Okay, so you're saying it's beta, but in the, like, Linux software.

[Luke]

No, it's not beta. I have three developers.

[Linus]

Oh, this is fraud.

[Luke]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dan]

Thank you, Todd Howard.

[Luke]

Oh, man.

[Linus]

All right, where. Where are we? Oh, yeah, right. We're gonna.

[Luke]

Everybody wants a TV app. Nobody wants to do TV app type stuff.

[Dan]

Yeah, Roku's terrible.

[Linus]

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[Dan]

It was the most off script. I couldn't keep up.

[Linus]

I'm not used to this. Looks like a little like angler fish or something.

[Luke]

Everyone that sees this is gonna do that with theirs.

[Linus]

Now I'm a trendsetter like that.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I want that as my work ringtone. I'm gonna cut that out after the show.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Luke]

Altman beats Musk in the embarrassing AI trial.

[Linus]

Y have you been following this at all?

[Luke]

Only a little bit.

[Linus]

They just both end up looking like.

[Luke]

Yeah. Okay. I thought the embarrassing thing was embarrassing specifically for Musk. I was like, I feel like this was just embarrassing for everyone on Monday.

[Linus]

I'm embarrassed just like reading about it. The whole thing's just so dumb.

[Luke]

I love it.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

On Monday, a federal jury in Oakland unanimously ruled against Elon Musk in his lawsuit against OpenAI and Sam Altman. A bit of background on how we got here. Musk and Altman Co founded OpenAI with other people as a nonprofit back in 2015 to counter Google's potential dominance in AI.

[Linus]

Yeah, how'd that work out for you?

[Luke]

Just going to have. Anyways, after about two years and $38 million in donations from Musk, he left over a disagreement about who would run the company.

[Linus]

And now, I don't want to spoil it for you, if you don't know already, but Musk thought he should be CEO of yet another company.

[Luke]

Yeah, this is missing some details, I think. Okay, let's see here. OpenAI then opened a for profit subsidiary and took billions of dollars from Microsoft. Yeah, this is missing some details. I believe the him leaving over who would run the company is that he, I believe, even suggested that they should make a for profit portion of the company. And he was trying to push himself to be the majority shareholder and the CEO and then left over that. So it's not that he, he left because he was frustrated, frustrated about leadership. And then they just did the for profit thing. He was wanting them to go down that line and then left because they didn't vote him to be the coolest kid of the cool kids club. That for profit subsidiary is now valued at close to a trillion dollars. And he's like, give me, give me my money. Musk has been asking the court for up to $134 billion in damages. Cool. The reversal of OpenAI's transformation into a for profit company because he has a competitor now, so would love for them to not exist.

[Linus]

Does he have a competitor though?

[Luke]

Technically.

[Linus]

Okay, sure.

[Luke]

And Sam Altman's removal from OpenAI entirely. His core argument was that Altman, other OpenAI executives and Microsoft had stolen a charity, meaning they had solicited his early donations under a nonprofit mission and then turned the company into one of those most valuable for profit businesses in the world. The jury rejected all of that, finding that Musk's charitable Trust claims against OpenAI, Altman and Microsoft were barred by the statute of limitations owed.

[Linus]

So basically, yeah, but it was interesting because they didn't necessarily completely reject his argument. But it also doesn't matter because it happened ages ago and you're only mad about this now because what they did worked.

[Luke]

Been mad about it for quite a while.

[Linus]

Well, only mad enough to actually like do anything about it. Now that it's. Now that it's worth something.

[Luke]

That's interesting. That feels like a lame dismissal for me. But anyways, with the lawsuit out of the way, OpenAI is now planning to. To file for an IPO. Wow. Even more in the coming days or weeks with the goal of going public this fall. So we'll have SpaceX and this slamming their. Their rods into the.

[Linus]

Dude, the gambling. The gambling market. Sorry, I mean stock market is going to be a wild ride over the next bit. Yeah.

[Luke]

The victory is somewhat hollow, though. Even though OpenAI won the case, weeks of testimony brought a lot of damaging stuff into the public record. Multiple former executives resurfaced concerns about Sam Altman's management and trustworthiness, including the issues that led to his brief firing as CEO back in 2023.

[Linus]

Can you believe that? That was only three years ago.

[Luke]

Yeah, pretty well.

[Linus]

That feels like a lifetime ago in terms of, like how fast all this stuff's been moving.

[Luke]

Yeah, it has been nuts. Musk says that he's not giving up his attorney compared to the loss to the early setbacks the American colonies faced against the British during the Revolutionary War and said they plan to appeal. Wow. That's awesome. A lot of analysts expect this whole court case was Musk's attempt to trip up. I've heard this a lot. To trip up OpenAI's IPO plans so that he can IPO with XAI first. And there's. There's a lot of arguments that, that he doesn't even expect to win. He's just trying to tie them up. It's very, very interesting. The reason for the race, according to analysts, is that there isn't enough free capital in the world to support two IPOs at the scale. Two companies IPOing with over a trillion dollar market valuations. So whoever IPO's second might be left in the dregs. They also warn more generally that capital movement of this scale could cause significant volatility. Volatility in the market and the stock market. And with SpaceX and this happening both within this year, it's going to be. It'll be fun to watch. Discussion. Question. Do you think any of the stuff that came out about Altman during the trial actually hurts OpenAI heading into the IPO? Or is the hype cycle too strong to be impacted? I think people's morals completely stop existing when it comes to money and no one's going to care.

[Linus]

I think that anyone who cared that Sam Altman's kind of a douchebag knows it already.

[Luke]

Yep.

[Linus]

In the same way that anyone who cares that Musk is kind of a douchebag knows it already. I think anyone who cares that they're both untrustworthy knows it Already and I don't think anything about this trial changed any of that.

[Luke]

Yeah, I don't think so either. Very cool. Next topic. Samsung Electronics has narrowly avoided an 18 day chip strike after reaching a last minute tentative wage deal with its. It moved with its labor union on Wednesday just hours before nearly 48,000 workers were due to walk out.

[Linus]

This is like actually very good news because that would have been like pretty bad.

[Luke]

Yeah, it's also really cool for the workers. The walkout had been scheduled to run from May 21 through June 7 and the agreement only came together after South Korea's labor minister stepped in to restart talk.

[Linus]

No, this was like, dude, the fact this has been, this has been looking like it like, like they weren't going to make a deal. And like it's not like SK Hynix can just absorb like all the Samsung workers because they have like, dude, have you seen SK Hynix's deal? Like what? I think it's 15% of net profit.

[Luke]

This wouldn't have affected them at all like that or the workers because it would have just diluted the workers take.

[Linus]

Sorry, no, no. I just mean they don't have enough jobs to absorb them all. So Samsung's like Samsung's workers to put them in were not. Yeah, they were not simply just going to be able to like all walk into other jobs and people. There would have been a lot of loss for 48,000 people over this labor action. Yeah. And Samsung and just the general like DRAM supply of the world would have also been. This would have been just terrible for everyone if they didn't reach a dream deal. Yeah, well they technically haven't yet. Sorry. Carry on. Yeah.

[Luke]

The fight was over how to split bonuses from Samsung's booming AI chip business. The union had pushed for Samsung to allocate 15% of annual operating profit to a worker bonus pool and to scrap an existing cap that limited bonuses to 50% of an employee's annual salary, which compared to SK Hynix would be brutal. Samsung had resisted that demand, arguing that profit sharing across the company was complicated because its memory division is making a fortune off AI demand while its Logic and Foundry divisions are performing much worse. The tentative deal sets up a new bonus Pool with 12% of operating profit in Samsung's semiconductor division. That breaks down to 10.5% paid in stock plus 1.5% state paid in cash. I feel like right now you want that.

[Linus]

That sounds pretty good based on how things are probably going to go over the next couple years.

[Luke]

According to the to A company official that works out to an average bonus of US$338,000 per chip employee this year. The bonus scheme is set to last 10 years and it's conditional on the chip division hitting operating profit targets. The deal did not. The deal is not actually final yet. Union members are voting on it come May 22 through May 22.

[Linus]

So they're voting like wait, is it international dateline? Is it yesterday or tomorrow? It's tomorrow. So they're voting on it like starting now?

[Luke]

Yeah. If they approve it, the agreement becomes formal. If they reject it, the strike threat comes back. For context on how much money is on the line here, JP Morgan had estimated that an 18 day strike could have hit Samsung's operating profit by between just roughly 14 and 20.8 billion US dollars.

[Linus]

That's crazy.

[Luke]

The compensation at rival company SK Hynix was a big part of the union's dissatisfaction. They had abolished their bonus pay cap last year. That led to bonuses more than three times higher than Samsung's. And some Samsung workers had already jumped ship to SK Hynix as a result.

[Linus]

Our discussion question is, and this is, this is a big one. Could tech workers in other countries pull something off like this? I think it comes down to timing.

[Luke]

I think it comes down to timing and like what part of tech you work in. I mean significant parts of tech that are hyper shrinking right now, like I

[Linus]

remember talking about back when.

[Luke]

But these, I think. Well, I think it's a fairly obvious thing that the only reason why this is working is because. If the shutdown happens, they lose $20 billion.

[Linus]

Yeah. The gun that they have against sound

[Luke]

Sonny's head is massive and extremely low.

[Linus]

It's a tank battle. Yeah.

[Luke]

It's like not, it's not insignificant. And they also can't necessarily just go and easily replace all these people.

[Linus]

No.

[Luke]

So that combination is like, whoa.

[Linus]

I mean that's like kind of the whole idea behind collective bargaining. It's just that I remember talking about this back when we were talking about like the Writers Guild and like the, the SAG aftra where I was like, hey guys, I don't know if like your leverage is super high right now. They ended up getting deals, but they ended up getting really short term deals.

[Luke]

That and not very great ones.

[Linus]

That. Yeah, it seemed, it almost seemed like they, they waited too long and lost too much leverage before, before making it, before making a deal. You know what I mean? Whereas the timing from Samsung's memory division is so perfect, it's so on point. They're hitting Samsung at a time when. And yeah, to your point, there's no replacement stream of workers for them. Nothing. Because no one's leaving SK Hynix right now, that's for sure.

[Luke]

Not a chance.

[Linus]

And the amount of profit to be made is worth almost any concession that they would have to give them.

[Luke]

Apparently it's becoming like incredibly popular to put SK Hynix in your bio on dating apps like you just auto win. I was reading a thing about this Linus.

[Dan]

Can we rename the company?

[Linus]

Sure. I mean why not? I can think of some reasons. Right. Why not? No Key. Write this down. They got that big dram.

[Luke]

Sorry Gilmore D was sitting. SK Hynix is Luke's chicken. Yeah, except it acts earlier actually. It's like almost.

[Dan]

Yeah. Wow.

[Luke]

A little better.

[Linus]

That is some next level aphrodisiac. What do you do?

[Luke]

I work at SK Hynix.

[Linus]

No.

[Luke]

Next topic. The FTC's strict anti deepfake rules are kicking in. Maybe. On Tuesday, May 19, the FTC officially stated and started enforcing Section 3 of the Take It Down Act. A federal law that targets the distribution of non consensual. Non consensual intimate photos and videos including AI generated deep fakes. The Take It down act was.

[Linus]

Huh? It's just the chattest of things to wear.

[Luke]

SK Hynix labor union just cruising around

[Linus]

the ultimate status symbol look as simple an SK Hynix employee vest. Yeah, sorry, carry on.

[Luke]

That makes sense.

[Linus]

Yeah, that's from Nokia.

[Luke]

That's epic. Yeah. So I'm going to rewind a little bit. The Take It down act was signed into law about a year ago and it allows the prosecution of anyone who knowingly distributes deepfakes or intimate images of any minor or non consenting adult. Last month a 37 year old man from Columbus, Ohio became the first person ever convicted under the law after making more than after using more than 120 AI platforms to create and distribute non consensual sexual images. The piece that kicked in on Tuesday is Section three which holds digital platforms partially liable for hosting this content. Platforms now have 48 hours to remove a flagged image or video after they receive a takedown request. And they have to pull down any identical copies at the same time so victims aren't stuck reporting every re upload themselves, which is cool. Platforms are also required to offer a clear and easy reporting process that anyone can use. Even people who don't have an account on the platform. That's good once a request is submitted. I'm actually really happy someone thought about that. That's cool. Once a request is submitted, victims get a tracking number that they can also share with law enforcement. The week before enforcement started, FTC chairman Andrew Ferguson sent warning letters to 15 major tech companies. The letters warn that the FTC is monitoring the situation and that civil penalties can run up to approximately $53,000 per violation. This is part of a global push against AI generated deep fakes. The United Kingdom added a similar 48 hour removal requirement to its crime and policing bill back in February. And in March, the European Parliament greenlit changes to the AI act that banned nudifier apps in the eu. I'm assuming that's apps that take normal images and make them nude images.

[Linus]

I think that's a fair assumption.

[Luke]

Makes sense.

[Linus]

Makes sense.

[Luke]

I've just never heard of nudifier before. As ever, there are the.

[Linus]

The.

[Luke]

There are people who are criti.

[Linus]

Here's the sound it makes. What?

[Luke]

Okay, nice. That works. As ever, there are people. Yeah, it does. Are critical to the. It makes more of a. Critical to the law.

[Linus]

This is a temporal argument.

[Luke]

Right now free speech advocates are claiming that the act can be abused as a censorship tool.

[Linus]

Sure.

[Luke]

Because platforms may take down anything that gets reported rather than risk a fine.

[Linus]

You know what though?

[Luke]

I think it's pretty easy to tell when the thing you're removing is nudity or not.

[Linus]

Yeah, I think that that's just a giant load of bs. There's, there is the precedent for the DMCA being abused in the way that people are kind of saying, oh no, think of the poor corporations.

[Luke]

That's too. There should just be a reverse thing where if you like, if you false flag.

[Linus]

But in the age, but in the age of AI, like maybe it could just do something useful like you know, be able to recognize if it's a nude person.

[Luke]

I can, I can absolutely see some famous person hiring a firm to aggressively use this to shut down non abusive imagery though. Yeah, I could see that. I can absolutely see that. So I understand that concern.

[Linus]

But again, in that case, in the age of AI, build an AI tool that checks. Is this nude?

[Luke]

Well, yeah, the. Yeah, the platform is not going to want to take liability either way. But I also think that it's just, it's. In my opinion you just reverse it if it's like kind of obviously a attempt to censor or something.

[Linus]

Mysterious claim.

[Luke]

Find them.

[Linus]

Ah, well that isn't a thing though, so it just should be.

[Luke]

That's. Yeah, I think that's how you counter it. In my opinion.

[Linus]

There's I. I can't think of really much in the way of precedent for that. Like, do you get in trouble if

[Luke]

you falsely claim that? Like, if. If. If you say that someone stole something from your store?

[Linus]

So we're talking, like, defamation and libel.

[Luke]

Sure.

[Linus]

At this point.

[Luke]

Right.

[Linus]

But, like, as someone who has had reasons to look into that, it's complicated and it's very. It's very difficult. Right? Yeah, It's. It's not simple and, like, establishing because, like, it's a lot of the question is, like, intent, and if you're going to apply penalties to something, whether they're, like, civil or criminal, then there. There's. It's. It's a lot more complicated than just like, oh, yeah, you, like, made a false claim. Therefore, like, here's a parking ticket. That's all I have to say about that. What did Luke set up this week?

[Luke]

It's not.

[Linus]

That's what everyone's burning question has been for the entire WAN show. I promised in the intro, though, that

[Luke]

thing that I alluded to, the piece of fitness equipment, that equipment that I alluded to taking over three months to show up, finally showed up, and I set it up last night, and I'm happy about it. That's it.

[Linus]

Luke set up new fitness equipment.

[Luke]

I mentioned the pre show and he was, like, saving it went pretty well. It was good. Yeah, I liked it. I actually like it quite a bit. I'm quite happy with it.

[Linus]

Nice. Does it make you sweat?

[Luke]

A little bit.

[Linus]

Tell us about it.

[Luke]

A little bit.

[Linus]

Yeah. A little bit of sweat. Yeah. Like, where specifically? And then now it's like, in between your pecs. Like, does it kind of drip down there?

[Luke]

I was doing. I was doing a chest workout, so, yeah, a little bit.

[Linus]

Nice. Yeah. So did it pool there?

[Luke]

A little.

[Linus]

I'm just. I'm trying to make this topic a little more exciting for the people, Luke.

[Luke]

Yeah, not really.

[Linus]

It's doing it for me.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Linus]

I think we're ready to move on to after dark.

[Dan]

What a great segue. Okay, Luke, you're talking about your chest sweat after dark.

[Linus]

Well, it might not be chest sweat. It could be neck sweat that made its way down to the chest.

[Dan]

That's not sexy anymore. Okay, let's move on.

[Linus]

You don't like neck sweat.

[Dan]

Whatever. Out we can do. All right, first up, we got a bunch here.

[Linus]

Jeez.

[Dan]

Are you excited for the Canadian Grand Prix this weekend? Since Red Bull invites a lot of influencers to their races, could your recent video with Red Bull allow you to be able to attend future races.

[Linus]

I didn't know there was a Canadian Grand Prix this weekend. I don't follow motorsports. Red Bull. Their relationship with us is pretty straightforward. So far they send us Red Bull. I don't drink it, but some people here do.

[Dan]

I drink it. I love drunk water.

[Linus]

Good. I'm glad. I'm glad you do.

[Dan]

Productive and happy.

[Linus]

If, if it does that, then I'm happy. I wish you would live longer.

[Luke]

They don't force you.

[Dan]

A sugar free version.

[Luke]

I unfortunately really like the taste of it.

[Linus]

You like the taste of red? I do.

[Luke]

I don't really drink it.

[Linus]

That is the wildest take. But I like the taste of all of the takes.

[Luke]

I think it tastes good.

[Linus]

That have ever been taken on the wan show. That is like you don't even. You're like. You're a hydro homie.

[Luke]

Yeah, I don't really drink it.

[Linus]

I know, but you like.

[Luke]

I do like the. No, I love juice. I love pop. I love energy drinks.

[Linus]

Yeah. Which. All of which is fine. Who doesn't like juice but like Red Bull?

[Luke]

I also really like water. Like, I genuinely really do.

[Dan]

Like, this isn't hamburgers and hot dogs. You can like water and Red Bull, Right?

[Linus]

I just. Yeah, I, man, I, I only tried it once and I was like, wow, it's piss water.

[Luke]

See, I. Yeah, I don't, I don't.

[Linus]

Yeah, I don't.

[Luke]

And it's interesting because I know a lot of people that don't like almost any energy drink flavor.

[Linus]

What do they use for sweetener though?

[Luke]

I have no idea.

[Dan]

Well, there's a sugar free one and I think there's also a normal sugar one.

[Linus]

Do they use like corn. High fructose corn syrup though?

[Dan]

Probably not.

[Linus]

No. Apparently original Red Bull uses actual sugars, specifically sucrose and glucose. Okay. I don't know which one I tried though. I don't know if I just tried like OG Red Bull or if it was like gamer Red Bull or something like that. So maybe I have like, maybe I

[Luke]

haven't tried that billion flavors.

[Dan]

Now they do sent us a new one that's like vanilla and something.

[Linus]

They do. All right, all right, cool. Anyway, our relationship with Red Bull is complicated. They, they, they send us the, the Red Bull and I don't really drink it. And then one time they, they wanted to give some really cool PCs to some pretty cool people and we made those PCs and those people were really cool. And then we gave them to them.

[Luke]

They showed to one of the whale lands, right?

[Linus]

They did, yeah. They did you know, overall, they're just like. They seem like a super cool company to work with, and we really enjoy working with them.

[Luke]

And I genuinely, like. He just laid out that they don't really work with us that much. I gained nothing from saying this. I genuinely think their form of marketing is like, sick.

[Linus]

Very cool.

[Luke]

Just the fact that they support just a ton of different, like, athletes and people who are at extreme skill levels at a variety of different things is really cool.

[Linus]

Yep.

[Luke]

There isn't actually a ton of that. And usually when people get sponsors and they're doing those things, they're often for very little money. It seems like Red Bull actually goes in and, like, helps. I think that's really cool. If you can make your marketing benefit relatively smaller communities like that, I think that's really awesome.

[Linus]

And if you're gonna, like, blow a bunch of money on sugar water, then I'd rather you blow a bunch of money on a company like Red Bull that seems to do really cool stuff with it versus a company that had death squads.

[Dan]

You know, that doesn't narrow it down.

[Luke]

That didn't happen in our. In this country.

[Linus]

So, yeah, that was the actual defense from Coca Cola, by the way. They didn't say they didn't do it. They just said it didn't happen here. Therefore it's not our problem.

[Luke]

Have I told you about the Chikorita thing?

[Linus]

This is the bananas, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Luke]

They're involved with the overthrowing of like multiple governments.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Stuff is amazing. Hobby lobby was smuggling artifacts out of Iraq. There's companies do crazy stuff. It's wild. We were. We were driving. Myself and some of the labs guys were driving down to Puget because we were visiting Puget recently and I saw a hobby lobby and it just like that fact just slammed itself back into my brain. I was like, oh, yeah, that's crazy.

[Linus]

Anyways, anyway, so, yeah, cool. Red Bull. I forget what the question was. Oh, yeah, right. I don't know anything about really motorsports. I didn't even know that was happening. But it sounds cool.

[Dan]

We're gonna do some F1 stuff. I love F1.

[Luke]

There's gotta be some way we could do something that makes sense there. They do really interesting tech with their cars all the time, actually. There's got to be some form crossover.

[Linus]

Oh, cool. And always controversial as far as I can tell.

[Luke]

Yeah. As far as my understanding goes, a lot of people that watch F1 watch it for that, dude.

[Linus]

F1.

[Dan]

I'm a manufacturer watcher. I watch less racing, more car. Yeah. Amazing.

[Linus]

F1 seems to have an even higher, like, controversy to content ratio than we do. It's somewhat remarkable, actually. Like, they just.

[Dan]

They hit a marmoset. There's always something, and that's become a controversy.

[Linus]

They hit a groundhog, like, at a race.

[Dan]

At a race.

[Linus]

How the devil did a groundhog get onto the track?

[Dan]

They apparently happens every year. And there's, like, corners that are.

[Linus]

Sorry, on purpose?

[Dan]

No, accidental. It's not death race.

[Linus]

Groundhog get onto the. Well, I don't know. Let's just release groundhogs.

[Dan]

It's an F1 tradition.

[Luke]

Happened by accident onto the track. What do you mean?

[Linus]

Well, I don't know. Don't the tracks have fences? Like. I don't know. I've never been to an F1 track. Wouldn't they want to keep groundhogs off the track for safety?

[Luke]

Yeah, I think the groundhogs can find a way. Dude.

[Linus]

Crafty groundhogs, maybe. I'm thinking, how big are groundhogs? How big?

[Dan]

About the size of, like, an air hog.

[Luke]

Also, like, look at this. The F1 track in Montreal, there is a fence, but there's also green between the fence and the track.

[Linus]

Hold on. How big are these? Dude, these things can be, like, 2ft big. These things are. Yeah, these things are freaking huge.

[Dan]

Took the car out of the race, and apparently a couple years ago, they were kind of like. There was a whole corner just kind of maybe coated in one of them.

[Linus]

You. Oh, that's awful.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

So they could just dig under the fence, I guess. People saying there has to be gaps in the fence. Yeah, but there's. There's. Okay, so the picture that I was saying. Let me look it up again.

[Linus]

Not the corner. Huh? You're not gonna look up the corner, are you? Oh, no, that's okay. I thought you were looking up the corner.

[Luke]

I'm using this as a reference because, like, yes, there is a fence.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

From the outside. But there's also a green space here. It's a groundhog. It could go under.

[Linus]

Yeah, I guess. Well, it shouldn't do that then.

[Luke]

Yeah, tell it. Tell it. That's a bad idea.

[Dan]

Well, it won't again.

[Linus]

This is interesting. Sorry, we didn't get this. LastPass Canadian consumer privacy Class Action Settlement. If you reside in Canada and were affected by the 2022 LastPass data breach, you may be eligible for compensation. Someone posted in floatplane chat that they got, like, $100 or something like that. Wow. Yeah. So wasted time, out of pocket. Expenses, crypto claims, distribution of funds. So if you guys want to like check that out and it's pretty cool. Thanks. Carry on.

[Dan]

Hey, ldt, Any advice on getting organizational buy in for atac? Situational awareness mapping. It requires similar permissions to social media apps for technical ops, how to address concerns. It's like find your iPhone for.

[Luke]

No, I was saying I know what ATAC is. My thing is for what military bros. Yeah, but what is their organization? He said how do I get organizational buy in? But it's like, like.

[Linus]

Yeah, for the, for the military, I assume then.

[Luke]

No, the military uses atm.

[Linus]

Yeah, exactly. So like some military somewhere I guess needs organizational buy in. Like what. Who else would use it?

[Dan]

I don't know. I couldn't figure that out.

[Luke]

No, some people use it for like, like hiking and stuff. Android team awareness kit. You can, you can use. There's. There's actually a lot of interesting civilian applications for atac, but this is why it's like, I don't know.

[Linus]

Oh yeah, Atak public release. Here we go.

[Luke]

Yeah, like it's. It's actually discontinued.

[Linus]

Oh, ATAC civilian. Here we go.

[Luke]

Yeah, there's, there's. People are absolutely first responders.

[Linus]

Licensed commercial developers. Distribution for ATAX CIB is through approved government hosted sites. Direct commercial sales. This version has no ITAR capabilities. Okay. I don't know. This seems a little outside of our wheelhouse.

[Luke]

It really dramatically depends on like what your organization is.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

If you guys are. I used to work at a bread factory. If you guys are a bread factory. I can't imagine that ATAC makes any sense.

[Linus]

Yeah, maybe you shouldn't.

[Luke]

I don't think you're going to convince anyone.

[Linus]

We might need that for life.

[Dan]

Do we still lose you? Like, do you still have that air tag?

[Luke]

That could be useful.

[Dan]

Has that stopped happening?

[Linus]

I've never had an ear tag.

[Luke]

ATAC tracking for Linus could make a lot of sense.

[Linus]

So according to Wikipedia, in Canada, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Emergency Response Team uses it as well as the Canadian army and that's about it. And then in the us it looks like it's military, law enforcement and emergency services in all of those applications. I think it seems kind of common sense that it's pretty useful. So I have no idea what you're trying to do with. Do with it, man. Where people are not on board. Sorry.

[Luke]

I feel like.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke]

I don't like civilian mapping and tracking of certain things through civ tack is like an interesting thing for, for hikers or people who live like just really far out there and have A ton of land and want to have it tracked and stuff like, this is a thing that people do. I just, I have. I have no idea what your company is and can make no recommendation because of not knowing.

[Linus]

I assume it's safety related. Like it must be remote.

[Luke]

Usually. It's. It's.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah. It must be like remote something, location, safety something. And I mean, at the end of the day, if somebody like really doesn't want that, then I don't think you can like really force them.

[Luke]

Like, it's pretty self explanatory.

[Linus]

Yeah. Like if you, if you like benefit from it from like a safety standpoint, then you should probably just like, you know, be on board. And if you don't benefit it from a safety standpoint or it's. Or it's like a privacy invasion, then maybe you shouldn't have it. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Good chat.

[Dan]

Aldl, what is each of your favorite Pokemon? Getting back into playing with my kids. P.S. more leggings. When I love mine and need more.

[Linus]

Oh, hey, did you see we got a Pokemon pinball machine? Yeah. Did you try it yet?

[Dan]

I did.

[Luke]

I got demolished immediately.

[Linus]

Cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool though, right?

[Luke]

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[Linus]

Shiny. Yeah. Has Bulbasaur. Yeah. And Squirtle. It has a Squirtle whirlpool.

[Luke]

Why did we get one?

[Linus]

Because Stern send it. Oh, yes. We sent back our Dungeons and Dragons and they exchanged us a new one. I guess that's our. I guess that's our system now is we just kind of always have a pinball machine and then they send us a new one and we use the packaging for the new one to send back the old one. That was not intentional. I think Stern had really intended for us to keep the packaging for the Dungeons and Dragons one and send it back in it, but we didn't. So now we have a new system and I can play Pokemon pinball. Yeah. Hung out for like 45 minutes yesterday after worked just playing some Pokemon pinball. I got the high scores. I think I have like 1 to 6 or something like that. So I put in like poo and ass and bomb. All the good stuff.

[Luke]

That's good.

[Linus]

Yeah, that's good.

[Luke]

That's very good.

[Linus]

Yep.

[Dan]

But what is your favorite Pokemon?

[Linus]

Oh, right, Sorry. I feel like. I feel like we've. I feel like we've asked this before. I just like, I don't. I don't know if I care. Maybe one of the like super evolved bird ones that are like, cool and like some elemental like, what's the. What's the cool fire bird from here? Here, here, here.

[Luke]

Just jumping Back to this atax Save civil use. 500 plus thousand downloads. 100,000 plus.

[Linus]

There you go.

[Luke]

People using it, they're just. It's like. It's.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus]

I don't know.

[Luke]

There are quite a few applications outside of military stuff of just like having a good map and knowing where things are and whatnot.

[Linus]

All right. Mole trees seems pretty based.

[Luke]

That's your. Wait, that's your favorite Pokemon?

[Linus]

I don't know. I don't care.

[Luke]

This matters a lot.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

What do you mean you don't care?

[Linus]

I mean, I like Geodude. I don't. I don't know.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Linus]

Okay. He's happy now. Yeah. Good.

[Luke]

You just have to care about it and be very invested. Where's your. Where's your full art holo card that costs $7,000 of geodude? I don't know if there is one.

[Linus]

I keep it in a. In a vault. It's just like any responsible person would.

[Luke]

Yeah. Never look at.

[Linus]

I never show it to anyone.

[Luke]

Good.

[Linus]

Yeah, good. Including you. Sorry.

[Luke]

No, that's honestly fair.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

Okay. It's yours. Geodude.

[Linus]

Oh, my God.

[Luke]

I don't think there is one.

[Linus]

Geodude crisis.

[Luke]

Oh, my God. Oh, there is a full art. Wow. Oh, kind of. I don't know. How expensive is it? How much is this? Hey, that's not too bad.

[Linus]

Cool. I don't know.

[Luke]

Kadabra is my favorite Pokemon.

[Linus]

All right.

[Luke]

There is not.

[Linus]

Alakazam. Really?

[Luke]

Nope.

[Linus]

You like the middle? You like the Middle Evolution?

[Luke]

I didn't have anyone I could trade with.

[Linus]

That's. Wow. So the Pokemon was your friend.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Okay. I can see why you bonded with it.

[Luke]

I always liked the. Yeah. The middle evolution ones of the ones that you couldn't trade. Well, that you could trade to evolve them. And that was the only way.

[Linus]

So on the subject of that sort of companionship, we were chatting in a writer's meeting today about the local AI. Like, what would we do with it? And apparently Altman posted a blog post or a tweet or something he posted somewhere recently asking, what do you want us to work towards for the future of AI and over the next five years? And the number one response was companionship. And we all kind of.

[Luke]

That's why I was like, kind of being real when I said the whole AI Waifu thing. Like, that will be a use case that people do care about.

[Linus]

Will it be.

[Luke]

Oh, man, I don't know that. That's a use case that you need to promote.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

But it is something that people will care about.

[Linus]

Is this.

[Luke]

Is this the one you're talking about? This is the tweet?

[Linus]

Yeah. Is that from. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke]

It's interesting to me that he's still

[Linus]

tweeting, like, on Musk's platform. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing for all of its warts, and there are many warts, some on its genitals. I've seen them. There's nothing like Twitter. There's nothing exactly like Twitter just because

[Luke]

of the user base that's already on it. I don't think it's the feature set or anything like that. Just basically everyone has one.

[Linus]

I don't think the feature set was ever the feature of Twitter, though.

[Luke]

Not really.

[Linus]

The feature set always sucked. It was like, it sucked by design.

[Luke]

When it very first launched, it was kind of interesting.

[Linus]

I wasn't interested in it, but obviously it was interesting because a lot of other people were. But I got on Twitter, Like, I felt like I had missed the boat. Like, I got on it super late. I'd stubbornly avoided it, I think, until I was starting to think about branching off from NCIX and starting my own company. And I was like, okay, I should probably have a social media presence, I guess, Twitter, then.

[Luke]

I use it these days. I'll reach out to someone in DMS and, like, see if they're interested in chatting. And if they are, we always go off platform.

[Linus]

Right.

[Luke]

And it's, like, not even always me that suggests it, but it is all of the time.

[Linus]

Let's. Let's head over. Let's take this over to Discord, shall we?

[Luke]

Yeah, usually Discord, sometimes text messages, whatever. But, like.

[Linus]

Oh, we didn't talk about Discord. Making voice calls. Encrypted by default. No opt in. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Luke]

I didn't know that was a thing. That's cool.

[Linus]

That's cool. News text, still not. Apparently there are architectural challenges. It was built for plain text and it would, like, break a bunch of stuff.

[Luke]

As far as my understanding goes.

[Linus]

There's.

[Luke]

There's quite a few architectural challenges with different really cool improvements that could come to Discord. Tech stuff. Like, I asked why certain character limits and things were a thing to a Discord engineer once, and they're just like, that's just the stack, man. We can't really change it very easily. Because I was wondering, like, it seems weird. Like, it seems like you would just win so hard so fast if you made corporate Discord. Like, just make it so People can have. I know you can do a per server profile, but make it so that people have two primary profiles and one of them is more work related, one of them is more personal related. You can switch between the two. It even has a different like server and DM list for each and make it so that you have higher level of authentication, some type of SSO thing. To be able to access those servers and then change almost nothing else. Like, it would take so little and they would sweep an incredible amount of companies just right away. Discord as an account switcher, it's very close to what I was saying, but not exactly because I want them to be. One of them would be like corporate sso. That's the important part, not the account switching part. So maybe I didn't make that very clear. Sorry.

[Linus]

Willing Spy says, but then my boss would know when I'm gaming at work. But no, I think the way that Luke has architected.

[Luke]

Technically.

[Linus]

Oh, they would.

[Luke]

No, Technically, no.

[Linus]

Yeah, no, they wouldn't. Yeah. So he's on. He's all over it. He's all about gaming while he's supposed to be at work. Don't worry, he's got you.

[Luke]

It's. I think, like, because basically once you have SSO and you can basically knock people out of the server based on SSO and you can manage people's permissions based on that as well, that massively increases your chance of being in the corporate world. Once you can crank up the message limit because there's some issues there and a couple other relatively. They seem small, but apparently the message limit and stuff is not a small problem. But I genuinely think with like the complaints that people have about teams, the expense level of Slack and a couple other things like that Discord would be massive if they entered the corporate space. And it has just been the two things that happened in the communication world or didn't happen, I guess that have been just fascinating to me over the last while is that Google let Salesforce buy Slack. Mind blowing. Just. We'll never get over the fumble that happened there and then that Discord has not gone corporate. Yeah, both of those things are so interesting.

[Linus]

Well, I think I'm gonna add one. I'm gonna add one that Skype squandered their head start. Dude, that one still.

[Luke]

My God, the fact that the pandemic was Zoom and not Skype.

[Linus]

Wild.

[Luke]

Insane wild.

[Dan]

Oh, man. Used to be a verb they like,

[Linus]

okay, I'm gonna tweet it.

[Dan]

I'm gonna.

[Luke]

That's a pretty.

[Linus]

I'm gonna Add one more.

[Dan]

Oh no, there's more.

[Linus]

I'm gonna add one more.

[Luke]

Just the trail of corpses Microsoft has left Google.

[Linus]

Oh, hangouts, other hangouts. Chat other chat. Freaking meet the other meet. Like just the fact, the fact that Google's completely scattered. Get ship a product, get a promotion approach made it so that they're not a competitor in that space functionally at all.

[Dan]

Dude, if they just.

[Linus]

Mind blowing.

[Luke]

They just bought Slack and just made it so that meat and stuff was just like a web portal version of Slack they would just own right now. Yeah, it's still so stunning to me.

[Linus]

I forgot G Chat, that was another name for their various like chat. Like it's, it's, it's mind blowing how, how much Google has screwed up chat when that's like a foundational part of G suite or sorry, Google workspace is communication that we have to have two services just because Google doesn't have feature parity with something as crappy as teams. Man, teams. Phone calls lately have been so bad.

[Luke]

Teams is really rough.

[Linus]

Like so bad recently.

[Luke]

It's, it's hard to pitch to not be on teams because teams is so cheap. But teams is a very rough experience.

[Linus]

All right, hit us, Dan. Sure.

[Dan]

What's up boys? Linus, I noticed, unless I looked wrong, the new blank shirts are 50% cotton. 50 polyester. They used to be 60 cotton. Why the change?

[Linus]

Because the mill that we're working with now for the fabric doesn't do a 6040 and they're 5050 passed all of the same tests with respect to durability, hand feel, non shrinkage printability. Functionally, the shirt was the same enough that we just couldn't come up with a reason to care about the blend change. I've always, I've always liked the, I've always liked the feel and the durability of a cotton poly blend. I was never married to say 60, 40. The only reason that we did 6040 was because that's what American Apparel did on the blanks that we used to use back when American Apparel was like kind of the, the premium choice for blanks versus your like Gildan or Hanes or you know, whatever else next level apparel. All the various, all the various ones. Yeah, it's because they're still good. We, we go by the end result performance not by the composition necessarily.

[Dan]

Hey D L L, is there anything new that piqued your interest or got you excited recently? Thanks for all you do. Colon.

[Linus]

Capital D. Oh man. There's always something but like I feel like it's one of those things where I will. I'll send an email being like, hey, add this to writers meeting. And then it falls out of my brain because I have already written it down. Something that excited me recently. I'm going to check emails I've sent while Luke thinks of something.

[Luke]

Is this like a new piece of technology or an idea or what's the.

[Linus]

Anything that piqued your interest or got you excited recently?

[Dan]

Anything under underlined Labs articles keep it safe for work.

[Luke]

Labs articles have been really fun. We. We had some come out recently that people had some stronger feedback forward. We're working on that. But in general, I've been having a lot of fun with those. And I was talking to Lucas about some ideas for labs articles before the show and was getting kind of excited about them. Want to look into battery technologies and their strengths and weaknesses. That should be kind of interesting. These are all ideas. I don't know that we're going to do any of these, so relax. Another thing I wanted to do is like. Like, you know, I saw there's this, like, there's a lot of memes that just perpetuate forever. And one of those that I saw recently was like, you know, looking at my computer these days and really asking that 1080 to just hold on for yet another year. And that's been a meme for years now. And I was kind of thinking, like, we should just build a computer that would have been popular in the 1080 era and see how it's doing these days. Because I. I've talked on the show before about, like, my buddy's kid who's playing arc raiders with a 1080, and it's like, I feel like you could play a lot of currently decently popular games with a 1080 still. Like, it's actually probably still mostly fine.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Linus]

You might start to run into some, like, feature support issues.

[Luke]

Yeah. And like, you can't. You literally just can't play Indiana Jones.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And there's gonna be some other games where you're gonna lack some features that would be nice or lack some performance here or there. But I think a lot. I think genuinely a lot of games you could do at an okay level.

[Linus]

I'm excited about this, Dan. I just sent you a picture and a video in that order. I. Yvonne and I were out for one of our classic midnight connection walks. Oh. You know, when we just. We go out in the middle of the night and we just. We go for a walk because, you know, home is full of distractions and. And you know, work and kids and all that kind of stuff. So we just. We go for. We go for a walk and. Well, hold on, one quick thing. Can you. Can you crop in the picture? Thank you,

[Luke]

Dj. The creator said I had a 2060 super with no complaints on anything and only upgraded for more vram, which sounds like a complaint on vram.

[Linus]

As we were walking, we discovered this. That's a driveway and a lawn and two computers at midnight. Midnight computers, you might call them if you could.

[Luke]

Midnight club computers.

[Linus]

If you could play the video. I'm just watching it right now. The video is fine. It's clear. Here's a better look. There's a bit of condensation on the one, but that's a 9th gen. No

[Luke]

RAM in that one.

[Linus]

No RAM. This one contains a GPU though. So I asked my wife, who is a tolerant person, certainly to be married to me for so long, hey, can you. I was chivalrous, by the way. I took the one with the power supply in it. But I asked her, I said, hey, kind of inconvenient request, but can you carry one of these computers home for me? And so we finished our walk, computers in arms, and they are now in my fire truck because I'm dailying the fire truck right now and I got to unload them. And then once I do, I'm going to fix those computers.

[Luke]

Have you been pulled over?

[Linus]

And I'm actually pretty excited about it. I have not. But I did have what is so far probably the most fun experience driving of my life. I. I drove past an actual emergency at which there were firefighters. Like a chill emergency though, like a no big deal, like fender bender. And there was an actual fire truck that had responded to it with actual firefighters who had mostly mitigated the situation and were just kind of standing around by that point and they watched me drive past.

[Luke]

You should have rolled the window down and be like, need a hand?

[Linus]

I didn't think of it. I wish I did.

[Luke]

Want an extra pump?

[Linus]

I didn't even like see them there until they were. Until I looked over and got. And Buddy's like, just dumbstruck.

[Luke]

Just

[Linus]

so good. It's like a scene out of a movie, man. It was so good.

[Dan]

I thought you would have gone past an actual emergency, just pointed out the window and been like, ha,

[Luke]

no, I can't help you.

[Linus]

Totally not qualified accident.

[Dan]

Last responder.

[Linus]

Yeah. So people keep asking me, like, dailying the fire truck. I mean, look, I'm not gonna buy a fire truck and go to the work to get like my air brake ticket. And then not daily it for a bit. I promised my kids that I would take them to school one morning and it. So that was actually one of the things that Yvonne and I were doing on our last midnight walk is scoping out like, obviously they have a fire lane at the school or whatever, right. In case the school's on fire. But I'm not a real firefighter, so I need to just drive through like the normal drop off loop. So I've kind of scouted out all the turn radii to make sure that I think I can actually get through there during the, you know, morning hubbub club.

[Luke]

How was that, that the scouting mission doing it.

[Linus]

I haven't done it yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we just went for a walk the other night. So far, so far, like, surprisingly little attention actually. It's, it's like it's hiding.

[Luke]

Lights and sirens aren't on.

[Linus]

Yeah, you're, you're hiding in plain sight. Like nobody, nobody looks at a fire truck that is not speeding towards an emergency. It's like the most normal thing and yet it's an unusual thing and yet the most normal, mundane thing. Nobody cares that it's not a firefighter driving it. They just. People don't seem to register my presence at all.

[Luke]

I'm not surprised you haven't gotten in trouble because I know it's like within

[Linus]

the law, it's technically legal, but I

[Luke]

am surprised you haven't been pulled over yet. And then just be like, so what's up with that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus]

But it's also. But like, why I'm moving my fire truck from one place to another place.

[Luke]

There is, there is a thing. And I know this kind of bothers people, but it's like an obvious fact. There are too many laws for police officers to actually know all of them. Like, it's just a thing they have to debate about laws constantly in courtrooms. Like, this is, it's a problem. So I'm not surprised one of them didn't just pull you over and go like, I just think this is illegal, but I don't know. Hold on for a sec, let me figure this out. That's what I'm like kind of expecting to happen. And then I'm expecting them to go back to their car and then come back after a while and be like, wow, this is really cool. You're free to go, but could you show me around? I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Linus]

Our cops in this area are generally like, pretty okay from My experiences with them. So if that doesn't sort of vibe with your experience with cops in your area, I'm sorry to hear that. I just mean, like, a lot of people are going to hear your account of what a cop. How a cop might behave and go

[Luke]

like people arrange all over the place.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah. That doesn't. You know, that doesn't.

[Luke]

I'm sure there are cops here that would have a terrible experience with you doing that.

[Linus]

I'm sure there are.

[Luke]

There are cops in those areas that probably aren't as bad either.

[Linus]

Yep,

[Luke]

people do be being people.

[Linus]

Note that I didn't say Canada. I said in our area. RCMP has done some stuff. So make of that what you will. All right, Dan, hit me again.

[Dan]

Hey, Len, Duke and Dynus with Whale Land being this weekend would have been the most valuable piece of information that you have learned from each other. One passed. Wish I could be there to join you guys.

[Linus]

Oh, man. First one layout was. Was the biggest thing. At the first one, the layout was like, basically it was planned ahead of time, but we just kind of discovered some of the plans that we had weren't going to work, so had to undo those plans. At the second one, I think we really optimized the load in and loadout in a big way. Time was way down for both of those things. First one, we had some networking issues. Second one, we had some issues with the 8v8 gaming setups. I've been told, knock on wood. That both of those are solved for this time around.

[Luke]

We worked on both of those. Saying anything is solved is just asking for it.

[Linus]

I knocked on wood. Okay. I think this is MDF or wood. Dan, quick.

[Dan]

It's wood.

[Linus]

It's wood. It's wood. It's wood. Oh, thank goodness. Okay, then we should be fine. Okay. Yeah.

[Luke]

All right. All right, all right, all right. That was a good measure job just making sure.

[Linus]

Ow.

[Luke]

Yeah, I feel like I heard that. That's rough. You like, actually knock on your pelvis bone. I swear I heard a knock.

[Linus]

I knocked on something.

[Dan]

Jeez.

[Linus]

Try not to think about it too much.

[Dan]

Moving on. Love the clothes, Linus. Well, I know a blank, tall, white shirt. I would drive from Long Island, New York, and personally pick up a crate of them if you had them.

[Linus]

So the white shirt is still like a new. It's a new fit for us. It's like the boxier, more modern fit, and we just kind of need to see the numbers. And then if it sells really well, then we'd love to do more fits. In time. Some magical time. Far away from today. We'd love to do like regular. Tall, husky. Tall and husky. We'd love to have women's fits. We'd love to have all different fits for our apparel. But our lives have been complicated by having multiple distribution centers. And I feel like this is my opportunity to do a quarterly reminder. We are still in the grand scheme of things, a really small company from like an, like an apparel company sort of scale conversation. We are more often than not ordering the minimum order quantity for things and then, you know, really figuring out how to move through them. All. Right. Like, we're not Gap, you know, and so we're. We're doing our best. We're going to keep doing our best. And I'm just, I am really glad to hear that you love the product enough that you wish there was more of it. And we're going to keep working hard to make that a reality.

[Dan]

Hello, LMG team. Yes, please do some more vids on local LLM stuff. And as for a question. What are the data engineering tools used at LMG and Floatplane, if any,

[Luke]

data engineering tools.

[Linus]

You're up.

[Luke]

What defines a data engineering tool?

[Linus]

I assumed you'd know.

[Dan]

I also assumed Luke would know.

[Linus]

Nice, solid.

[Luke]

Okay. Orchestration and workflow management. So, like, would N8N count here?

[Linus]

No

[Luke]

orchestration.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke]

That was one of the things.

[Dan]

Does it orchestrate?

[Linus]

I don't know.

[Luke]

Microsoft fabric. We use a bunch of things to deal with data flow. Plane side of things has like a variety of data views we use. Tooljet is an underlying system for a certain data view that we use on the creator warehouse side of things.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, no, N8N would definitely.

[Luke]

That's.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

There's a variety of things that we do. We don't have anyone super specifically in a role of like data engineer.

[Linus]

Again, reminder, grand scheme of things, we're still a pretty small company. Carry on.

[Luke]

But we do have sets of data and we do build views for them. We also have some orchestration stuff. Yeah, sorry, not the greatest answer.

[Linus]

Nothing we do in Airtable would qualify for this, right?

[Dan]

Most of it, probably.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

I think it like kind of would, but not in the. Not in the way that I think the person asked the question.

[Dan]

In my opinion, like a traditional data engineering.

[Luke]

Yeah. Which I don't think, like how we're using either of those systems would count for that. Honestly, I don't think we're really doing anything that would fully count for what I think this person is really truly asking. We have data. We have views on that data. But we're not doing a ton of stuff with that data.

[Dan]

It doesn't react to the new data that it gets. If I can kind of interpret build

[Luke]

charts and then people read them and

[Dan]

then do stuff and then we read the charts again. It's not reactive to like oh, you know, things are going down. So let's do automations. Well, not that kind of down. Number line go down.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Not services down.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

I was gonna say we do have the. The Kubernetes wizard Jonathan himself but. But that's not. I don't.

[Linus]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Not that kind of down. Moving on. We got lots to get through still.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Good morning from Oz LLD and floaters Saturday morning done right watching wan show with a coffee and my lady.

[Luke]

Nice.

[Dan]

I see you Safrina.

[Linus]

My pebble Seraphina.

[Dan]

Oh, sorry. It's all highlighted and blurry now. My Pebble Time 2 is shipping soon. Are you getting one, Linus?

[Linus]

Oh, I didn't remember to order one, so no. I'm gonna make a note for myself.

[Luke]

You know what I got? Yeah, I got a Fitbit Air.

[Linus]

How's that going for you?

[Luke]

It's not here yet.

[Linus]

Not wearing it. Oh, okay. Theoretically.

[Luke]

Shows up next week.

[Linus]

How long before you lose it?

[Luke]

That's a major concern. Everyone in my family that I've told that I'm getting one. I don't buy things that often, so I've kind of told everybody. My family that I've told I'm getting one is like. Like how long are you gonna have that for? But I'm hoping. I'm mostly looking for the sleep tracking stuff. I like that it doesn't have a screen on it. That was actually a big selling point for me.

[Linus]

Cool.

[Luke]

No subscription. No screen on it. There is a subscription you could get, but I'm not doing that.

[Dan]

Hey, dll, Is it just me or is software more buggy these days? Maybe I'm working at a higher capacity than before for music and video projects, but it's been extra tough when something breaks every week.

[Linus]

No, everything's always been a piece of. As far as I can tell.

[Luke]

I've kind of got the vibe that stuff is more buggy. I think it's easy to point at AI and I think that is partially to blame. But I also think stability has not been something that has been chased by pretty much anyone. I don't think a lot of people are making decisions based on stability these days. Everyone knows that premiere crashes all the time. The professional side of things is really not shifting to anything other than Premiere yet.

[Linus]

But Premiere has always crashed all the time. As long as I've been using it.

[Luke]

Sure. But the people are not making market decisions based on that. So it's not going to be important until that happens.

[Linus]

I just.

[Dan]

I don't.

[Luke]

I'm just.

[Linus]

I'm trying to. I'm trying to think back. Like, Canon Zoom browser was a piece of garbage that crashed all the time. Windows 95 was a piece of garbage that crashed all the time. You know, Nero Burning ROM was a piece of garbage that crashed all the time. Like, I can't count the number of times that I've seen that. That Starcraft crashed. Error that had the cool. I forget if it was. I think it was a wraith on it. Like, I just.

[Luke]

I think I automatically interpreted this more as websites than anything. And I know I gave my Premiere example, but I think I was primarily thinking of websites. I had a. Had a conversation recently where I looked up websites from 2006. Let me see if I can find. Yeah. Web Design Museum. This was super interesting.

[Linus]

Interesting.

[Luke]

I didn't know about this website. Web Design Museum. And I just looked up again websites in 2006.

[Linus]

Newgrounds.

[Luke]

Look at Apple, dude.

[Linus]

Oh, well, I'll try.

[Luke]

Wow.

[Linus]

Computers. Remember when Apple cared about computers and like, primarily. Yeah. And ipods were like an afterthought.

[Luke]

Look how similar the Mac Mini still looks.

[Linus]

That's amazing.

[Luke]

Kind of wild.

[Linus]

It kind of looks like ncix. I wonder if they just ripped it off.

[Luke]

I even noticed, like, websites that look kind of more modern. Like this Nike Air website looks pretty modern.

[Linus]

That looks super modern.

[Luke]

But it's not.

[Linus]

That looks amazing once you actually blow it up.

[Luke]

Like you have the weird circles.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

This is actually not a rotating horizontal banner at the top of the site. Like every single store on the entire planet right now. It's. It's actually just a big splash page. This new Super Mario Bros. Website, like, feels like a magazine. Things especially things are just generally very unique. Motorola's website was a phone.

[Linus]

That makes sense.

[Luke]

Like super cool Pirate Bay just, I don't know. Super interesting battlefields website.

[Linus]

That's great.

[Luke]

Everything felt very unique.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And these days everything feels the same. And on the website of things, I don't feel like things have gotten like, less buggy at the very least.

[Linus]

But I've also like, I haven't lost like a massive text input that I put into a website in like years. Like there's certain things that are. That I. That I find to be maybe. Maybe not more. Maybe not less buggy, but certainly more refined. My expectations are higher. My expectations are definitely higher today. And I wonder if that's part of why things feel more buggy when they've

[Luke]

always been very likely the case. I think that is still in line with kind of what I was saying though, which is that people want features over stability.

[Linus]

I also think that it, like, maybe for me, I'm looking at everything over a long enough time period that I see it as just sort of ebbs and flows. Like, I. I remember having a conversation with someone when I, like, wasn't freaking out about the ramp because I was like, well, yeah, like, kind of like how it happens sometimes, right? They're like, no, no, no. Like, you know, like, this is like, this is really bad. And I'm like, yeah, like, kind of like how it's bad sometimes, right? And then like, later it'll be good and you know, like how it happens, people, you just.

[Luke]

You swing too far one direction and then you start and.

[Linus]

And it will. They're going to build a bunch of capacity and then AI demand is going to go down at the some point and then ram's gonna be like, dirt cheap. I don't know how long it's gonna take, but anywhere there's money to be chased, somebody will chase it until there's no money to be chased. And then there will be a supply glut. Like, it's just. It's just kind of how this thing. It's kind of how this whole thing works. And so I guess I. I kind of see it the same way. Like, people will. People will demand better stability in their applications until everything's like, kind of good enough. And then, you know, people will try to differentiate on features, and then those features will be buggy, and then someone will differentiate on stability. Like, everything's just kind of. It's kind of like this. What do you have? What year is this fun? Is that a selfie with a point and shoot? Wow.

[Luke]

2006, man.

[Linus]

That's pretty based, actually.

[Luke]

Rollerblading, having fun.

[Linus]

Who even needs to see the preview of what they're taking the picture of.

[Luke]

Of? I'm going to McDonald's.

[Linus]

I love it.

[Luke]

Select country and market. So good. Dude, some of these websites are just awesome,

[Linus]

awesome, incredible.

[Luke]

The. The Semantic Safety Town reminded me a lot of old websites too, where, like, things on this neighborhood were probably clickable, right?

[Linus]

Yeah. Yeah. When. When you couldn't tell what was interactable on a site, it was actually. It was pretty annoying, but also, like, kind of fun.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Because Your cursor would change.

[Linus]

You were surfing.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

You're surfing the web, man.

[Luke]

Whoa.

[Linus]

Oh, that's pretty cool.

[Dan]

So many gradients. Nobody uses gradients anymore.

[Linus]

I love gradients.

[Luke]

Gradients were, like, super popular in design as of a couple years ago.

[Linus]

I. I think we have. No, not that they should be popular forever. I love gradients. Hell yeah.

[Luke]

Let's go, dude.

[Dan]

I have the 2004 steam client burned into my. That shade of. That shade of off green is, like, part of my body.

[Luke]

That's so legit.

[Dan]

Can we do a steam green shirts?

[Luke]

I don't know. Old Internet. It just feels way cooler. Way cooler.

[Linus]

All right, hit me. Dan.

[Dan]

Hi, Linus. Playing through crosscode right now, what were your thoughts on the Overworld chests and the 3D aspect of the game? Sometimes I spend a ton of time figuring out I'd get one chest.

[Linus]

Oh. It's one of those things where I enjoyed the game so much for its story and combat that I kind of forced myself to want to enjoy some of the Overworld jumping around. I think I kept doing it because when you nail it and figure it out, it's so satisfying. So you, like, you get that rush, but the rewards often sucked. So it's. It's not that. And the, like, mega long dungeons in particular, the time you have to do two back to back are sort of the. The flies in what is otherwise a very delicious ointment. Mmm. Yum. Ointment.

[Dan]

Crunchy. Hey, Linus. Luke and Dan. I'm an airplane mechanic and usually run into interesting issues that call for a weird troubleshooting. What is the craziest troubleshooting step you've tried on anything?

[Linus]

It's got to be that motherboard that I fixed by bridging by. I think I ran a wire between two fan headers.

[Luke]

Two different fan headers?

[Linus]

Yeah. I still don't understand how that fixed anything.

[Dan]

I don't. I.

[Luke]

I really need you to do a video on that thing because I don't understand how you thought to even do that in the first place.

[Linus]

I was desperate, Luke.

[Luke]

But what does that mean?

[Linus]

I don't remember ten years ago.

[Dan]

What?

[Luke]

It just.

[Linus]

Ah.

[Luke]

I've never thought like, oh, I'm desperate to get this working. I better wire these two fan headers together. There's something which is awesome. No, I just don't get it.

[Linus]

There was something that happened, like I caused the one that burned to burn and the trace, like, flared up.

[Dan]

Oh, so you knew to look in it?

[Linus]

Yeah. So there was something intuitively that told

[Luke]

me but if a fan header trace flares up, why does bridging another one to it make the computer boot?

[Linus]

Same rail.

[Luke]

But if the fan header doesn't work, like, who cares?

[Linus]

I don't remember why I thought that would work.

[Luke]

That's just.

[Linus]

I'm sorry, I just don't remember.

[Luke]

I really wish I knew that. Short it out. So adding another wire, that would make it worse. Yeah.

[Dan]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Luke]

This is what. I don't get it.

[Linus]

Why are you not.

[Dan]

Why don't you understand this?

[Luke]

It's so if you remove that wire, the computer does not work. I got like nothing. And if you put that doesn't make any sense. It instantaneously works.

[Linus]

It's.

[Dan]

It's.

[Luke]

It hurts my brain and I don't know a lot about that stuff, but it still is so confusing to me.

[Linus]

He's a wizard.

[Luke]

It's apparently. But like it takes his under a time crunch too. Like, the whole thing is just so wild.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It sounds fake and it's.

[Linus]

It's. It's unfortunate how few people, like knew about it because somehow that got pulled out of the edit. Yeah. No, the. The remastered, like all episodes together. Upload has it. I believe it has that story arc in it now.

[Luke]

Okay. Rod is in here. If one had 12 volt and one didn't, then put the 12 volt where it needs to go.

[Dan]

Yeah. So he's fried a 12 volt lane that feeds one of the fan headers and the other one has 12 volts that comes from a different source. And so bridging them together would put 12 volts back into the section of the board that was missing the 12 volts and then it would work.

[Luke]

Power. Oh, so it's not about the fan header. It's because the fan header is on the path of something else. Sorry, is that what's going on? Because my thing is like, if the fan header doesn't work, who cares?

[Dan]

No, no, it's not about the fan header.

[Luke]

No, no.

[Linus]

Okay.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Dan]

Does that make sense?

[Luke]

Of course. Rod would help me understand. That makes a lot of sense

[Dan]

and

[Luke]

that does make more. If it's in the path and you need to.

[Linus]

Sure.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Luke]

If it was a job, if it

[Dan]

was a sense line and I'd like to.

[Linus]

Yeah. Yeah. I'd have to look at it more closely again to understand why I thought that would work. I don't think. I did think it would work. I just.

[Luke]

Was just messing around.

[Linus]

It was just an. Intuitively, you're pretty desperate. Intuitively, it's because we were like, hours or minutes.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

From needing to deliver a finished system and our motherboard.

[Luke]

Like, there's no. There's no. You get to a point in. In scabbard wars where there's like, you're kind of done.

[Linus]

You're lost.

[Luke]

It's just refinement from there on.

[Linus]

Yeah. Your parts list locked.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And your budget locked. You have no budget left anyway, so.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Do you still have the motherboard? It might be fun to analyze. That's exactly what he's talking about. It's actually on my desk right now. Because he wants me to figure it out.

[Dan]

I do.

[Luke]

But, I mean, Rod might have just mostly answered the question. I should bring it. I think Rod is coming to Whale. I should just bring the motherboard to Whale. Let Rod look at it.

[Linus]

Sure.

[Luke]

That could work. Anyway.

[Dan]

Bring a multimeter, too. Moving on.

[Linus]

More. Sure. Hi, guys.

[Dan]

I made the switch to catchy OS after I kept blue screens when gaming. Most of my time since has been spent customizing. What are some Linux side quests you've ended up on since the switch?

[Luke]

Another thing that I wish I mentioned in that video that I didn't get to prep for was mostly that I actually just don't think about it that much anymore.

[Linus]

That's been.

[Luke]

I think, the biggest thing that has really hammered home that I can stay, for me, is I'll go days without having the conscious thought of, like, I'm on Linux.

[Linus]

The thing that reminded me on my desktop most is that I would glance in the bottom right to see the time, and I'd be like, the time's not here. It's up there.

[Luke]

Just move it.

[Linus]

Yeah, but this doesn't matter. It's up there. Up there is fine.

[Luke]

Oh, sure.

[Linus]

But just that. That was. That's what I'm saying, though, because I was on Cosmic. Okay. Yeah. So it was just. That was. Out of everything that made me think I'm on Linux right now, that was the one that happened most often.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Linus]

And which is like, no big deal.

[Luke]

And I think that's honestly one of the most. The most impactful things about the whole process is that I honestly just don't think about it that much. People will be like, what is it like? And I'm like, I. I don't know

[Linus]

what is using Firefox or Chrome.

[Luke]

Like, yeah, I'll launch a game and then I'll be in the game. I'll launch Firefox, then I'm in Firefox. I'll launch whatever, and then I'm in

[Linus]

that Good operating system and just completely gets out of your way and just work.

[Luke]

Yeah. And that's. That is usually the case.

[Linus]

I've done Forza Horizon 6. Yeah.

[Luke]

Because I have an Nvidia card.

[Linus]

Sorry.

[Luke]

Yeah. Jerk.

[Linus]

How.

[Luke]

How could you?

[Linus]

I'd be happy to trade you.

[Luke]

No, I was talking to. No, I. Emma mentioned, like, because I was like, oh, it's the card. And she was like, I have a

[Linus]

7900 xtx right now.

[Luke]

What she did was she pointed at another Nvidia card, but she pointed at a card I had on the shelf and she was like, can you just fix it with that? And I was like, well, no, but for a variety of reasons. And one of them is there's no way I'm taking that card out, dude. I'm not ruining bullets. Like, it's actually just not changing.

[Linus]

Right. Yeah. Your system is pretty locked.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke]

It's not an option. So it is what it is. I would rather not play Forza. Then rip that card out of there. No.

[Linus]

And if you've seen the build, you'll know that what he's saying is actually not crazy. Yeah.

[Luke]

And like, I can play it. I could just dual boot over to Windows, figure out how to delete that save and then. And then play it like it would be fine. So I don't know, customization stuff. I did a bunch of drive stuff. I got really interested in disk management in Linux and how you mess around with fstab. People are going to correct me. I still think that sounds sick.

[Linus]

FSTAB sounds cool though.

[Luke]

It does. Learning how to mess around with that. Learning how to mess around with like KDE Disk Manager or whatever it's called. Flipping desktop environments. That was fun. That was cool. But yeah, I mostly like post customization at this point. I got it working the way that I liked and I really just don't think about it that much anymore. And I'm sure if I have some time, I might want to poke around with something here or there. Something I'm interested right now is getting. Because I've read up that apparently it is possible. But something I've been interested in now is getting cashy to work. Work nicely with secure boot. Because right now. Yeah, anyways, that'll probably be my like next jump. But I'm not like freaking out about that. So it'll be like, oh, I want to just tinker with my computer this evening or whatever. Then I'll just do it then. That's fine.

[Linus]

Cool.

[Dan]

Hey, Duke. Dynaston Land man. How are These things not called loot logs. Question for L and L. What was the best part of your worst shoot? Or vice versa? Have a good weekend.

[Linus]

Oh, I'm gonna go with vice versa. I'm gonna pick the shoot that. Unfortunately, the video doesn't seem to exist anymore because it was a production we did for Asus of all people, where Luke and I got larping armor and like, like fought each other.

[Luke]

Do we have that footage anywhere?

[Linus]

No, the raw footage was gone and ASUS took the video down at some point. So it just doesn't really exist anymore.

[Luke]

That sucks.

[Linus]

Yeah, it was pretty cool. At one point, I jump up and I do a two legged, like chest kick on Luke and fall and like kind of hurt myself. It was probably the most fun that I ever had on a video shoot.

[Luke]

Actually. Amazing. I really liked the like armor setup that I had. I thought it was super cool.

[Linus]

And the worst part of it was when we didn't secure our like our tent, our like portable tent thing. And it was kind of a windy day and the wind grabbed it and was about to huck it towards like a bunch of innocent bystanders, probably injuring someone, and an absolute house of a man reached out, grabbed one of the legs of it and just like pulled it back down to earth, saving our liability insurance rates for years to come. So that was the best shoot and the worst part. And then like the best part. You're welcome.

[Luke]

That was an incredible shoot. I remember, I think you did the double leg kick thing multiple times.

[Linus]

No, it took multiple takes and like I was. I remember him injured by the end,

[Luke]

recovering after each one was like I

[Linus]

was on hard ground. Like we were just like in a field, like at a park. Like there was no crash pads and the armor wasn't real.

[Luke]

That was a lot of fun. I've thought about that video a few times over the years and then always forgot to follow up on like, where the heck is it?

[Linus]

Yeah, sorry.

[Luke]

That's unfortunate. I'm very surprised we don't have the footage.

[Linus]

Yeah, we just lost it. Wow. Sometimes we lose stuff. Yeah. Sorry.

[Dan]

Hey, DLL, thinking of starting a YouTube channel solely to promote a highly specialized consulting business through educational video videos. On the topic. Does LTT ever get consulting requests? Any tips? I guess you just did.

[Linus]

So I get a lot of consulting requests and I basically tell everyone the same thing. I'd feel bad asking for the amount of money that I would have to ask for to make it worth me doing instead of doing my job, and so I just say no.

[Dan]

So normal Consulting grades?

[Linus]

Yeah, like I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll answer any question for free because I'm fine and comfortable with that. But in terms of like asking to pay me to like consult for you. Yeah, it's, I don't know, maybe part of it's just like a bit of imposter syndrome too. Like I, I just feel like not that much of an expert. But then when people like ask and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm like happy to tell you about that. And they're like, oh yeah, that's like really helpful. I'm like, okay, good. But all that information that I just gave you should be free. So. I don't know, man. Like, it's, it's, it's part of the same reason that we've, we've never done like a course, like, we've never done like a masterclass on how to build a computer or whatever. Business team has been pitching this to me for years. At this point, like people would, people would pay for like a super high production value, like how to, how to, you know, run a small media company or how to, how to build a PC or like some just find anything thing and then just give it to these like, these course companies and you'll make like buckets and buckets of money. And I'm just like, I don't know, man. Everything, everything that I know I learned for free. So I just don't really, I don't really know how to charge for my time directly. There are exceptions. I mean, we've done speaking engagements. We did one for Threat Locker for Zero Trust World. That was, that was fun, but that was less about like, that wasn't consulting so much as it was just to like kind of fire up the crowd and get people excited about Zero Trust World. Right? Like, hey, how about we just not allow any random software to run on our organization's machines? I mean as an administrator, I think it's, it's the kind of thing you can get fired up about.

[Dan]

I'm so excited right now. More?

[Linus]

Yeah, hit me.

[Dan]

I really want to see you tear down a Cerebrus. Is it Cerebrus system or do a tour? A million cores on one chip would fit well with your petabyte type projects.

[Linus]

Cerebrus. Cerebrus.

[Dan]

Cerebrus Ex.

[Linus]

Cerberus. It's semiconductor company. Oh wait, are these the guys that do the like wafer sized.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus]

Chips or whatever the size of a. Yeah, yeah. I, I still am not sure exactly what Their dealio is. Apparently they're public now though.

[Dan]

Where's our gold square then?

[Linus]

Like it's. I literally just. All I know about these guys is this. That they're this much bigger than Nvidia which makes them this much better than GPUs. But Nvidia is the one that's a $5 trillion company. So I don't know. That's literally all I know about them. I'm sorry.

[Dan]

Greetings Wan DLO what games you'll be playing and will you be using your Linux machines at the Whale Land? Enjoy and have a good weekend.

[Linus]

I am probably going to go steal some laptops from the warehouse for Whale Land because I'm really tired of hauling mine and the kids computers there and they only like stay for a few hours and I only stay for a few hours so I'll probably bring laptops which I know is super lame. Sorry to be a major disappointment.

[Luke]

The bulbasaur is really big and kind of like a huge cube bulb instead of just a like more rectangular ish box. So very annoying to place at a land. I always want to bring it because I want to show it off.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And I can't fit it anywhere.

[Linus]

Classic loot problems.

[Luke]

I can't like it ends up just sitting behind my monitor and then that just kind of sucks.

[Linus]

That is lame. Yeah. So I don't know is what it get good.

[Dan]

What skill issue?

[Linus]

Hey, we got to play some super checks this weekend. Okay. Good old. I haven't. I haven't played since. Oh no, I did. I played once. I got beat by someone who had never played before. Yeah, I know, I know.

[Luke]

That's rough.

[Linus]

Yeah. I. I didn't know how to deal with it. Like I just. I outshot him like 4 to 1. Like I was like I had a bazillion scoring chances and he would just like like whack it and it would just frickin land in my net and I'm just. He beat me like 5:2 or something. Like it wasn't close on the scoreboard. I didn't know how to like deal with this. Like I do not lose at super checks except to Luke who I beat more than he beats me. Like I'm pretty good at it for like not actually like a professional player or whatever but for someone who just like really loves the game and, and obsesses over it.

[Dan]

It.

[Linus]

I don't. I didn't know how to. I didn't know how to deal with it. I'm still not sure how to deal with it. Like you can tell I'm still quite.

[Luke]

You fell off.

[Linus]

Caught up about it. Yeah, I'm unk. Yeah, it's official.

[Luke]

Yeah. Unk at the Unk game.

[Linus]

Washed up. At least I'm clean. I'm a washed unk.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Have one of those.

[Linus]

That's not worth it.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus]

Hello. Lld.

[Dan]

I just, just bought and I'm in the process of remodeling slash rewiring my first house.

[Linus]

Anything?

[Dan]

Spoiler free from the Tech House series. I need to put in my walls while they're open, any cool outlets, etc.

[Linus]

Conduit. Be indecisive. Put in some conduit just in case for later.

[Luke]

Best possible answer.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then double the size of the conduit that you thought you were going to put in there because there's always room for more cables. Yeah.

[Linus]

Conduit. Don't forget to put like a, like, like a. A pull string into the conduit.

[Luke]

That was the biggest failure I think we had during our like, scramble mold remediation stuff. We didn't try to. I was just panicking, trying to get all the mold out and then have a place I could live again.

[Linus]

Right. Yeah.

[Luke]

That didn't make sense. Slow down to think, like all the walls are open.

[Linus]

Maybe now would be a good time.

[Luke]

Probably shove some conduit in.

[Linus]

Yeah.

[Luke]

That would have solved a lot of current problems actually.

[Linus]

But like, yeah, if you put electrical wires. What? Well, what other kind of wire would you use to solve a current problem?

[Luke]

Oh, my God.

[Linus]

And on that note, thanks for tuning in to the WAN show. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time?

[Dan]

Same bad.

[Linus]

Oh, wait. Hey, Crystal. Do you want to say hi? I assumed you would. Nah, she wants to come on camera. Come on, Dan. She's not going to do anything. Yeah, you're still not on camera, you guys.

[Luke]

It'll go pretty far.

[Linus]

Hi.

[Luke]

All right.

[Linus]

Thanks, Crystal. See you later.

[Luke]

Bye, Sam.